In this episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush, along with Andy Pate and Charlie Grimes, dive into a lively discussion that spans topics from nostalgic 70s decor to contemporary political divides. The episode touches on a surprising segment about the world record for the longest bout of hiccups and the infamous styles of past decades. It’s more than just a trip down memory lane as the team debates serious issues like support for Israel, the political landscape of the GOP, and the role of veterans in society. Don’t miss this engaging episode that combines humor, history, and
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Debra’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Okay, question of the day, which I didn’t get to last hour. Let me get this in real quick. From yesterday, what is the world record for the longest hiccuping spree in years? Well, has Kamala stopped yet? She’s still at it. Okay, go ahead. This guy had a longer start. 68 years. Charles Osborne. A 1922 accident sparked the Iowa man’s intractable hiccups, which suddenly subsided in 1990. How is that possible?
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I don’t know. Okay. All right.
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Just forever? I don’t know. How would you even do anything?
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I have no clue. I got nothing. I have no clue. All right. What’s today?
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This is a good one. You probably already know the answer. What was considered the ultimate in luxury flooring in the 1960s and 70s?
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Oh, I know that, but I’m not going to say.
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Oh, we can talk about it.
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I’ll just say that it wasn’t just in homes, but also in vans. Oh, yes.
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In the love machines.
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The love machines.
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The love van. Yep. And you had rakes for it. Yeah. There’s the other hint. There were rakes. I remember being at my grandma’s house raking the floor and dating myself big time. Yeah, you’d rake the floor. I’ll give you guys a little hint there. It’s easy.
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I’m just going to say I’m kind of glad that we have gone past that time in history.
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There are certain things that never should have happened. Yeah, I’m personally a guy that hates all that.
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Of course, I’m a believer that the entire 70s never should have happened. They were odd.
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But that’s just me. Well, you know, we all go through times. Yes. Silk shirts and big lapels and leisure suits.
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And Jimmy Carter.
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Jimmy Carter. The peanut farmer Jimmy Carter.
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There are certain things I can’t handle.
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What was his brother’s name? Billy? Was it Billy Beer he had for a while? Yeah, it was Billy. He had his own beer, right, Charlie? Billy Beer.
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Billy Beer.
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Billy Beer.
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Yeah, I’ll bet that was real good.
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He was kind of a laughingstock of the presidency, wasn’t he? Billy was?
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Yeah, he was.
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How far we’ve come.
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Would you say that the most embarrassing family member ever, though, is Hunter?
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Ooh, probably. I don’t know. Billy was right up there, other than he wasn’t a drug addict.
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Yeah, but Hunter, I mean, come on. You know, the pictures of him strung out on drugs with… You know, I mean, with women, women of less than great character, we’ll just say.
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And he was also, you know, the saddest part of all of that. Go ahead. On a serious note, the saddest part is, you know, he had kids that the Bidens will not recognize. Was it a son or daughter?
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Did they never?
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A daughter they will not recognize.
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And they never did get around. I thought they got around to welcoming her.
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Yeah, they acknowledge her, but she’s not a part of the family. Yeah, there’ll be no stocking on the mantle, Andy. Let’s just say it that way.
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Well, you don’t want that. What would Hunter put in it?
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Cocaine.
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Yeah. The poor kid. We don’t want that for this kid. We want this kid to have a pure upbringing. Drugs. I’m sorry. All right. He’s the only person I know who doesn’t need a map because he could just sniff a line of coke all the way home. There you go. Okay.
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And it also is Veterans Day today, so all of you veterans out there, thank you very much for your service. I know you hear that a lot, but seriously mean that, and we would not have the freedom we have without all of you, so thank you very much.
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Yeah, and speaking for veterans, we don’t get tired of hearing it, folks. We really appreciate it. Thank you.
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Well, and I mean that sincerely. Thank you for all of you that have served and the families of those that have served as well. You make big sacrifices as well. It’s not just the servicemen and women. The families make huge sacrifices also. So thank you for that. And you don’t get enough recognition as families in a lot of cases. So thank you very much for all that you do as well. All right. Andy, you put a post out on social media, Facebook. Let’s get into that because I wanted to talk about it because not just because you posted it, but I think it’s a good subject that we should talk about.
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Well, you know, it’s interesting. It was a couple months ago right after Charlie was killed.
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Charlie Kirk.
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And what did I say? I said TPUSA has a huge problem. It’s going to be divided deeply and it’s going to be over Israel.
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You did say that.
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Did I call that?
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You did.
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Yeah. This one is wider. I’m talking about the entire GOP, I believe, is deeply split right now. It’s torn apart over Israel. And this is becoming real, John. This is becoming the kind of thing that could actually cripple our party, which I, by the way, didn’t see coming. I knew we had a big divide. I didn’t know it was this big. I didn’t know the people who are against Israel were this intense. I really didn’t.
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I didn’t either, Andy.
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Okay. I mean, I’ve always understood the libertarian wing of the party, and they say they don’t want money going to any foreign countries, you know.
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Right.
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And, by the way, I do believe that. I would not have as much aid going out there. I would for Israel. I’ll explain why later. Cheap date. They are a cheap date. Okay. That one’s easy. For what we get.
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Not to steal your theater, but that’s a cheap date.
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No, no, no, no, no. You steal away, man. I totally agree. But… Israel is—I am a big-time supporter of Israel, and what I wanted to do was just go through some of the reasons and explain some of the myths that are out there right now about those of us who support Israel.
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Okay, let’s do this. Let’s take Conrad really quick, give you plenty of time that way. Conrad, go ahead, sir.
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Absolutely, Conrad.
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Thank you, Conrad. You brought up something that made me laugh there about the 70s, you know— Mom and dad always had lime green Oldsmobiles and Pontiacs, and our house had the olive green appliances in it. Oh, yeah. We never had shag carpet, though. Never had the shag, huh? You didn’t have the shag? No, never had the shag, no.
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That’s funny. So you’ve never had to use a machete to make it to the bathroom? Yeah, you’ve never had the rake out.
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No. Well, not unless I was visiting somebody that had it. In that case, yes, but no.
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That’s hilarious.
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Yeah, we remodeled the house and added onto it in 73 and everything. Mom had to have a green washer and dry air green. refrigerator, stove, the whole nine yards, you know, it was just green, green, green, green everywhere.
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What was with all the awful colors in the 70s? Vibrancy, vibrancy.
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I guess so.
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Color TV came into existence, everything was vibrant now.
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Oh, yeah. We were always John Deere people, so I love John Deere green farm equipment, but I mean, as far as cars go, he always had to have a green pickup screen, and then he finally broke that in 79, he bought a A tornado that was that fire mist. Oh, yeah.
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Oh, that’s cool. Yeah, I remember that.
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That’s really cool. It was a pretty one, yeah. Good stuff, Conrad. You guys take care.
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You too, man. Appreciate you very much. Thank you very much for that. All right, Andy, continue on.
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Okay.
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The divide in the GOP.
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What’s worse right now? What is worse, the current divide in the GOP over Israel or the 70s? I mean, this is really close.
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The current divide.
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Okay, let’s get into it. Okay, why do I support Israel? Now, there are a lot of reasons, but I want to also get into some of that it’s not. So we’ll go through them one by one, and you kind of respond, okay? First one, it’s not about religion. Okay, a lot of people think we Christian people, we just look at Israel and say, well, because I’m Christian and the Judeo-Christian faith… We as America got to prop up Israel no matter what. And we’re going to make everybody else, everybody else in America, we’re going to put them in danger of war after war after war because we Christians love Israel. Let me tell you something. I don’t care. My Christian faith supports Israel, but my faith is not a national policy. Israel, they took the promised land, but my promised land is eternal life. I don’t support Israel because of my Christian faith at all. I mean, I do personally, but not as a national policy.
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I got much better reasons to support it. By the way, I think that’s a—I don’t want to stutter there. I think that’s a great statement, Andy, because I think some people want to put all that together. And my Christian roots and upbringing and where my background is and so on, I understand that, and I’m respectful of that, although I tend to be like you. You can separate out the two. You can take your faith on one side and your Judeo heritage that we have and put that over in one side. and then look at just the ramifications of what happens over there in the Middle East and so on, and look at it in light of that. And I could go through literally the next two hours of the things and the advantages that we actually get out of Israel itself when it’s all said and done, and most people have no idea what that is. They don’t even look at it that way because they’re so biased and so slanted already in one direction, Andy, that their eyes are closed.
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Yeah, and they totally lie. They say they don’t hate Israel. They hate Israel’s government. Yeah, they do. They lie. Okay, let’s get into the next one. Instead, I support Israel because I put America first. More on that later. And I will get to that later. But being this idea that supporting Israel makes you America last and you’re Israel first. That is a lie. That’s totally made up. I don’t hold that view at all. I don’t know a single person, supporter of Israel, who holds that view. And yet it’s being put out by all the Israel haters that we are Israel first, America’s last.
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And really quick, I had a— I had a text message come in, so before I text back, let me just say this. The one thing I disagree with John Andy about is on Israel. I don’t like Benjamin Netanyahu. And no, that doesn’t mean that I’m a racist because I don’t hate Jews. I just don’t like their country. Folks, please stop for a second. Think about what you just said there. We have issues with our presidents from time to time. We just had one that I and a lot of other people didn’t like. Does that mean you end up hating the country because of one particular leader? That’s got to be one of the most ignorant. I’m sorry. I’m going to say it this way. One of the most ignorant comments I’ve heard yet. You’re basically throwing the baby out with the bathwater because you don’t like one particular leader in Israel that’s there right now. That’s dumb, folks. That’s not how this works.
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Well, also, we got to keep in mind, Bibi is willing to fight to protect Israel. And that is why a lot of people hate Bibi. When they say they hate Bibi Netanyahu, what they mostly hate is protecting Israel.
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militarily yeah and again I don’t know where this particular person is coming from don’t don’t have any idea all I’m saying is in this particular text message in the premise of I don’t like Benjamin Netanyahu so I don’t like Israel okay you could have said the same thing about America before Donald Trump took back over the presidency you could have said that about Joe Biden you could have said that about Obama you could have said that about Jimmy Carter back in the 70s the reality is we didn’t hate the country just because we didn’t particularly care for the leader we had at that time no You work through those things, continue to support, continue to try to make change as necessary. And at the end of the day, you’re still for the country when it’s all said and done. So please, folks, don’t give me this nonsense of I don’t like Benjamin Netanyahu, so I don’t like Israel. That’s dumb.
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Yeah, I agree. And by the way, I do like Netanyahu. I like him a lot, but do I look at him as perfect? No, of course not.
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No, I don’t look at him as the savior of the world or anything along those lines.
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He’s a president.
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He’s no different than what Donald Trump’s trying to do to America.
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I agree. Okay, next. The Tucker strategy of dividing between biblical Israel and modern Israel. This is what he does. He divides between biblical Israel and modern Israel and says, modern Israel is not the biblical Israel. There’s no reason to support it. Or he divides between modern Israel and its government. Okay. You know, I love Israel, I just hate its government.
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That’s what we just heard.
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Yeah, yeah. And that’s baseless. You can’t do that, by the way. No. Biblical Israel had bad governments, but it never stopped being Israel.
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Right. Okay? Really quick, folks, for some biblical history here. Yeah, go ahead. There were 12 tribes. They got divided up, 2 in 10, by the way. Yep. There was a lot of bad leaders that they had, and it doesn’t mean for one second that God forgot them.
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Right. So if we don’t like the leadership, do we no longer treat it as Israel? Well, that’s ridiculous. It doesn’t stop being Israel. It never could. Likewise, there is no biblical foundation for saying, I support Israel’s people, but not its government, or that government isn’t Israel, especially since Israel’s current government was voted in by its citizens. That’s ludicrous. And finally, there’s no prophecy in the Bible of Israel retaking its land that says, oh, but that won’t be the real Israel. I mean, it’s ludicrous, okay? None of this is biblically based at all. None of it, all right? And so I’m just saying, guys, what Tucker, his strategy has one goal, okay? What he wants to do is cut off American Christian support for Israel. That’s his only goal, without which Israel is going to be helpless in a sea of Islamic nations, okay? So little by little, Tucker wants Americans redefining Israel, right? separating past Israel from present Israel, Christians from Jews, and government from the people electing that government. For anyone buying this nonsense… YouTube, a guy named Jonathan Cahn, he’ll put you straight, C-A-H-N. He is an actual real expert on Israel, and Tucker is not. I’m sorry. Okay, but this is why Tucker, and you will see all of his supporters constantly want to divide between Israel’s government and its people, between Christians, between their current and their past.
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Just to make sure that I’m clear on this, because I don’t know the exact timeline, but to my knowledge, not that this takes away from anything, but I think we need to put this in perspective for a lot of you that follow the Tucker Carlsons of the world. In my opinion, and again, I could be wrong in this maybe because he didn’t make it public, but Tucker is a baby Christian. Tucker is not a long-time Christian where he was brought up that way and so on and so forth. He’s kind of, in a lot of ways, quote-unquote, new to the faith. And so for him to come out and explain to you who Israel is or isn’t, no offense. Stay in your own lane, Tucker, because that’s not in your wheelhouse.
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Yeah, I know. Tucker, I guess, read through the Bible a couple years ago. That’s great, Tucker. Which is great.
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And again, I’m not taking anything away from his faith, Andy, but what I’m trying to say is there’s a lot of people following a guy on the faith issues of things, and he himself isn’t deep-rooted yet. That’s my point. Does that make sense? Oh, yeah.
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And also here’s the big thing. His goal is always the same to separate Christian support from Israel. Right. Okay. And so when, when somebody has a goal and forget, forget Tucker and Israel and all that for a moment, when somebody has a goal with anything and you know, this is their big thing, it gets to where you can’t trust anything they say about it. It kills it. Yeah. Because you always have the exact same angle. It’s always exactly the same. Look, I’m not going to go with that. Okay. Next. All right. Oh, by the way, he said the U.S. bombing of Iran’s nuclear program would launch World War III, did it?
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No. Okay. Not even close.
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Here’s another thing. They constantly say, these people who are against Israel, they say, supporters of Israel, they keep saying, I have to agree with everything Israel’s government does. Do you know anyone who has said you have to agree with everything Israel’s government does?
SPEAKER 12 :
Andy, I don’t agree with everything our own government does.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know. It’s just crazy. It’s a straw man.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’ve said that before numerous times. I mean, you can say that about a lot of different things, from organizations to churches to nonprofits to your own marriage. Do you always agree on everything? Of course you don’t. It’s called a relationship, and there’s things that you’re doing one-on-one, Andy, at the end of the day, and sometimes you just have to agree to disagree because you’re not going to be in full agreement. That’s okay. Exactly. Nothing wrong with that.
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Okay. Next. Israel did not commit a genocide in Gaza.
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Not even close.
SPEAKER 08 :
Folks, if they wanted to do that, they simply could have bombed it back to the Stone Age.
SPEAKER 12 :
They could have turned it into a parking lot. And that’s what I wanted from day one, by the way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, because they would have lost a lot fewer Jewish lives here.
SPEAKER 12 :
I suggested that from day one.
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Yeah. Instead, Israel lost many lives, achieving the best civilian to combatant kill ratio in the history of urban warfare. It’s not even close. Meanwhile, Hamas and Iran, they solely target civilians. There’s no comparison, folks. They’re a bunch of weaklings. Exactly. Next, pro-Israel in no way opposes America first.
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How would it, Andy? Really quick. How would that even be the case?
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I don’t know. It’s ludicrous. So supporting strong allies, I don’t think being pro any of our strong allies is against America first. That doesn’t make any sense. Set Israel aside for a second. It doesn’t make any sense. Nor are Israel supporters neocons. These people, they say if you support Israel, you’re a neocon. They brand you that immediately like you want war, war, war, war, war.
SPEAKER 12 :
I support them and I hate war.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, me too.
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So how is that the case?
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I was against the Iraq war. As you know, okay? Right. They’re nuts, okay? Look, I support, and finally, why don’t we get to why I support Israel? Can we do that? Yeah. Okay. I support the aid for Israel. It’s $3.8 billion a year, by the way, due to one factor, bang for the buck. Simply put, Israel gives us much more for less than any country on Earth. It’s not close. Why? Because Israel is our greatest ally in the worst region on Earth. Nobody else is. Right. If all the surrounding nations, I want you to imagine this, if all the surrounding nations would replicate Israeli norms, I would fall over myself writing the same 3.8 billion check to them. I’d probably die of excitement at the opportunity, John. It’d be incredible. Here we go. Imagine all those nations around Israel. Let’s say 20, pick the 20 worst, okay? Imagine them doing what Israel does. Number one, full free elections. No need to nation build or create a democracy. It’s already there, okay? Number two, full intel gathering and sharing from the world’s most dangerous region. A 100% partnership. Remember what Israel did with Iran? Remember that? Remember the phones? That level of Middle East intel is on our side for free. I mean, we get it because of our partner. Next, full military tech sharing. Golden Dome, laser tech, plus real-world testing of American weaponry without American troops. Pretty nice. Next, no terror support for any terror actions anywhere in the world ever. Next, no terror training camps or cells ever. Next, they take out the full commitment to take out terror training cells and camps. What if all the other countries committed to that? Next, as stated earlier, no targeting of civilians in warfare. okay they never target civilians yes civilians die but that’s because groups like hamas they specialize in hiding behind children hospitals churches schools you literally got to shoot through the good guys get the bad guys right okay next israel on the other hand does not hide military operations behind children hospitals churches schools and other civilian is innocence they do none of that next No oppression of women, gays, or Christians, period. Next, no Sharia law and no genocide of any kind. Finally, almost always voting with the U.S. at the U.N. Okay, now, let’s say you could take the 20 worst nations around Israel, and tomorrow they would all become like Israel, and we wrote them the same check. For a paltry $76 billion, we’d practically have world peace. Imagine that. I mean, versus our total budget, you realize that’s nothing. Okay. And at that point, our only concern would be communist nations so we could realign our entire defense and intel budget. It would be cheap, cheap, cheap. Okay. You tell me, John. Have I made a good case? Is Israel a good buy?
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Very. Cheapest date we have.
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Yeah.
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Period.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, one guy chimed in on my post, and he said, basically, Israel is one big aircraft carrier for us in the worst part of the world. And they’re taking all the heat, all the incoming.
SPEAKER 12 :
Good way to say it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. The Israel haters will all say that Israel is provoking the hate. They’re provoking the hate. They’re dragging us into wars. Why? If it weren’t for Israel, Islam wouldn’t be so bad. These people apparently have never read about jihad. I have no idea. I mean, they’re dreaming.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. I agree.
SPEAKER 08 :
Look, Islam kills. Islam demands that you become Islam.
SPEAKER 12 :
I was going to say, that’s the demand. Absolutely. Right.
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Okay.
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Absolutely.
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All right. There you go.
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SPEAKER 12 :
Now, back to Rush to Reason. All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Debra’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. I have a couple of thoughts here I was going to throw at Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Get his opinion on when it comes to just the Israel haters. Yeah. And I get it. Some hate the country. Some hate the people. I think it coincides, by the way. I think it’s really hard to separate both of those out. That’s like saying, you know, I hate Germany, but I love the people. Yeah. Really, do you? That’s kind of a hard statement to make. I mean, I guess I could say, you know, in Russia, do I hate Putin and his regime and all of that, but love the people? I mean, yeah, although there’s a lot of people that support Putin and think he’s doing the right thing and want him to invade and even take over more of Ukraine when it’s all said and done. John, there were good Germans in Nazi Germany. Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, does that mean I, you know, overlook the problems of Nazi Germany? Of course not. It’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly. Okay, so let me, and I’m not going to try to be super spiritual here because that’s not what this program is designed for, but I do feel. that there are still a certain amount of Christians, and I use that term loosely, but I don’t think there’s a lot of Christians out there that have an utter distaste and a despise of Israel because they feel like, and they did, they crucified Christ, okay?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Rome had something to do with it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, they did, although they were the pawn in the whole scheme, because really it was the upper end of the Jewish community, the leaders, the Sadducees, Pharisees, and so on.
SPEAKER 08 :
It really was the religious leaders who did it.
SPEAKER 12 :
They wanted him killed, because he was a disruptor. He was going to disrupt everything they had already built, and they wanted him gone. Now, keep in mind, that was prophetic. It’s exactly what God had designed. It was all done by him doing it at the end of the day. So keep that in mind for those of you that actually hate that heritage, I guess you could say. But I do think there’s a lot of Christians, Andy, that hold this utter disdain for Israel because of what I just said, rather than looking at it the way I just explained it. It was a part of God’s plan. They look at it completely different and have utter disdain for Israel because of what happened there. What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, first of all, I agree with you. There are a number of Christians who hold that view of Israel. And when you get right down to the heart of them, they are also bigots. They don’t like Jews. Okay. And…
SPEAKER 12 :
I believe that— And really quick, they will justify that by saying, well, wait a minute. That’s the Old Testament. That’s the Jewish nation of that time. It’s no longer that way now.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, no, no, no, no. He didn’t come to abolish all that.
SPEAKER 12 :
He came to complete it, fulfill it. That’s exactly—make it better, actually. Everything Christ did was to make things better. So he didn’t abolish the law. He made the law better. He didn’t abolish Israel. He came to make it better, giving them salvation, by the way. I could go on and on, folks. I won’t, because it’s not a preaching episode by any means. But as you can all tell— I know my stuff.
SPEAKER 08 :
We’re talking about a big wedge that’s being driven into the Republican Party. And by the way, make no mistake, Tucker and what he does, here’s his style. He says, I’m just asking questions. He always says that. And so what he does, yeah, but here’s how he does it. He will have on a bunch of absolute Jew haters, okay? And he will have them on just ask questions, lead the questions, and allow them to spew hatred and bile toward Israel. And he will accommodate them. These will be love fests. They’re easy. And he treats them with incredible respect and even says things like how he despises Christian Zionists above all people. You know, he says that, okay? He will do that and then he’ll bring on a Ted Cruz and grill him like, you know, tomorrow. Yeah. Like he’s a lawyer for the opposition. Right. OK, look, when you do that, when you treat one side totally differently from the other, I have no problem with him, as they call it, platforming Jew haters. OK, I have no problem with you interviewing bad people. How you interview it depends, though, Andy. Right. My problem is the bias in treatment. When you give them this ridiculous coddling treatment, and then you turn around and attack the other side.
SPEAKER 12 :
Here’s an example, folks. We just did an hour with Jordan Goodman, who I get along with, and I like Jordan. Do I coddle Jordan? No. Not by a long shot. I challenge Jordan. So does Andy. On a monthly basis, we bring Jordan on. I think there’s probably times where Jordan’s thinking, oh, crap. crap, I’ve got to do this show with these guys. I’m going to get beat up today. I mean, the reality is we don’t coddle Jordan. There’s things we agree on. There’s a lot of things we disagree on. But the one thing you guys can’t accuse me of is coddling Jordan Goodman.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely not. You don’t do it, and that’s the right way to do an interview. By the way, let me get you to another big reason a lot of Christians hate the Jews, because the Jews rejected Christ. And a lot of Christians will look at them and say, you had the Holy Scriptures who point to this. OK, you had Isaiah 64. You had all of this point. You had the truth and you rejected it. And how dare you? And I mean, not only did you reject it, but ultimately you allowed your leaders to kill him. Now, here’s my response back. Newsflash, folks, we’ve all rejected Jesus.
SPEAKER 12 :
All done it.
SPEAKER 08 :
I reject them every day. You know, every time I have a selfish thought, I’m rejecting my crew.
SPEAKER 12 :
I believe it’s Romans 12. Paul gets into a lengthy passage about the very subject Andy’s talking about. I would encourage all of you Jew haters and Israel haters to actually go read that passage and get a real understanding of what Paul talks about because he has deep understanding because he was one, a converted one. He was a Jew. He was a Christian believer. He was the ultimate Jew at that time because he went around killing people that believed in Christ until he had his own redemptive journey on the road to Damascus. So at the end of the day, he became enlightened. In fact, he had scales on his eyes for about three days. He had to get fallen off to where he could actually see again. Paul had his own miraculous journey wake-up call, if you would, Andy, that made him realize, oh, wait a minute, I’ve been looking at this all the wrong way. Now, with all that being said, did Paul become a Jew-hater after becoming a Christian, Andy?
SPEAKER 08 :
No! No! Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wait a minute.
SPEAKER 08 :
He did hate legalism.
SPEAKER 12 :
He hated legalism. He did, which I do as well. But he didn’t hate his own people, right? Is that what you’re trying to tell me?
SPEAKER 08 :
He never turned on his people. But Tucker, of course, would say those people and today’s people are totally different. This isn’t the real Israel anymore. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is, folks. It was prophesied, actually, that they would come back and retake their land, and they did. Now, is that the same as salvation? Of course not. That’s a different promised land, okay? And Jews are held to the same standard as people like you and me.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. Do you accept Christ or not? Yeah, I had that question the other day. Do I believe that Jews will go to hell if they don’t believe in Christ? Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah, sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
Simple answer.
SPEAKER 08 :
I believe anybody will. But the big thing, this gets back to my first point. I don’t support Israel because of my religious beliefs.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I separate those two, Andy. These are two different conversations.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, I support them personally because of my religious beliefs. That’s different. But as a national policy, I’m not going to commit the United States of America to supporting a country because of my religious connection to them.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s ridiculous. Correct. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
By the way, that’s a good way to say it because most people don’t look at it that way. They don’t put a dividing line in this like you and I are.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. But what you have right now is… And here’s what’s happening in the party. And going forward, I want to ask you a question. Okay. Because what you have right now is Tucker is very successfully driving a wedge… Yes, he is. …between members of the Republican Party. And it’s really funny because he’ll divide in any way, shape, or form he can. He doesn’t care which. Tucker doesn’t care about any of this. He only wants to drive the wedge. He doesn’t care if he separates Christians from Israel by saying… You know, it’s not the same Israel of old or the government’s different from the people or whatever. He doesn’t care how the wedge goes in as long as he gets the wedge in. He only wants you to not support Israel. Okay. And I guess my question is, why? Why? What does he want, John? What’s his goal? I mean, when you talk to people who say we should not be supporting Israel, what is their real goal?
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s a really great question. I think, again, I have to put the spiritual realm back into this, Andy, because I think that’s where it does come back to, because it still always is good versus evil. I think these are people that basically are putting themselves on a pedestal above the Jews saying, I’m better than you. Yeah. That’s my opinion. I agree. I’m better than you. I believe in Christ. He’s my Savior. I wouldn’t have done to him what you did, which, by the way, is probably a false statement because you weren’t around at that time, and who knows what you would have done back then. His own disciples turned on him. He got to the point where there was only two people at the cross. So at the end of the day, they all turned against him.
SPEAKER 08 :
Peter denied him three times. How many of us today are as good Christians as Peter?
SPEAKER 12 :
Very few, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, virtually none.
SPEAKER 12 :
Very few. But these are the same people that would say that, Andy. They would say, oh, yeah, if I would have been around back then, I wouldn’t have done that. I mean, that’s a really pious way of looking at things. But in the end, Andy, I think these pious pukes literally look at themselves as being better than the Jews.
SPEAKER 08 :
Let me tell you what they want.
SPEAKER 12 :
Am I right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yes, you are right.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s how they’re looking at it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Their motivation, they really believe that they’re over the Jews because the Jews rejected Jesus. It’s not just that the Jews killed Jesus, because that’s just a few Jews at the top. It’s that the Jews rejected Jesus. They chose Barabbas over Jesus, right? And let me tell you something. They resent that. But the ultimate thing they want, anybody who says pull back support from Israel, we shouldn’t be working with, we’re against Bibi. Here’s what they really want. They want no Israel.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
They want Israel gone. Every one of them. I guarantee. Do I believe that Tucker Carlson wants Israel gone? Yes. Okay. And here’s why. I don’t want to hear your touchy feeling hearts and, you know, flowers and rainbows talks. Throw that aside. Look at results. Israel is the only nation on the planet surrounded by a whole bunch of nations who are all subscribed to a religion dedicated to removing them off the planet. Now, you say, well, Israel, they’ve won a lot on their own. Yeah, but that’s all with America right behind them. If you don’t have their big brother right behind them, they’re going to get overrun. They’re outnumbered hundreds to one. That’s right. By people who despise them and want them removed. Tucker Carlson knows this. He knows if America, if he can separate America from supporting Israel, he knows Israel’s done.
SPEAKER 1 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that’s what he wants.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because he’s a smart guy. Yeah, I can’t disagree with you on any of that. And again, Tucker is a baby Christian that frankly doesn’t know all the facts. He’s got great influence. I’ve got several text messages in talking about how we’re losing. The only place we’re winning the war when it comes to the support for Israel like Andy and I have is on the radio. We’re losing it in most other places. I won’t deny that, by the way, folks. You are correct. Because of the Tucker Carlsons and a lot of his minions that go post this stuff on social media, that’s why they’re winning the war on social media. You are correct in that.
SPEAKER 08 :
especially amongst the young. Young conservatives, by and large, are turning on Israel.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. I want to add one more layer here. Andy and I were talking about this during the break. But those of you that are on that side of the aisle where you hate Israel, you hate the Jews, you’ll claim that, well, I only hate the country. I just don’t like the leadership and blah, blah, blah. Okay, whatever. You know, sorry. That doesn’t sell with me. You hate the Jews. You hate Israel. You’d like to see them gone. And I just went through some of the reasons Andy and I did in the last segment.
SPEAKER 08 :
And they always claim otherwise.
SPEAKER 12 :
They say, I love Jews.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m not anti-Semitic. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, they don’t. Keep in mind. You’re taking your marching orders. We’re talking about Tucker here, which he’s a lot to do with this movement. I would say that he is a very strong figurehead in this particular movement that Andy and I are talking about. And remember, those of you that are in that camp, you’re taking your marching orders from a wackadoodle who believes in aliens. Yes. OK, that’s guys. Trust me when I’m saying this. He’s supposedly an expert on Scripture. He’s read through the Bible. He knows all about Israel. It’s not the same Israel of old and blah, blah, blah. He’ll give you all these excuses. And yet he’s a knucklehead that believes in aliens, which, by the way, aren’t in Scripture anywhere, any shape, any form. They don’t exist. But this knucklehead believes in them. And you’re following that nut job.
SPEAKER 08 :
Do you think he believes in Jewish aliens?
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t know, but he’s a nut job. And these people follow him. So those of you that are following him, think about what I just said. You’re following a guy that is promoting and the belief in aliens. And it’s just the wildest, stupidest conspiracy you could ever come up with. It’s a bunch of wackadoodles. And yet you follow this guy. Why? Why?
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t get it. John, who is the number one most destructive force right now in America politically? Who is the leader of the Democrats? And it’s not AOC. As of last Tuesday’s elections, really, the leader. Mandani. Mandani is. How many times did Tucker even mention Mamdani’s name in the month leading up to the election? Mamdani, the number one opponent to conservatism in America. How many times did he go in and talk about Mamdani in that month? You want to know how many times? Probably none. One. One time is all? And it was to mention him positively. He was interviewing Marjorie Taylor Greene, who also hates Israel.
SPEAKER 12 :
She’s another nut job. I talked about her yesterday.
SPEAKER 08 :
They all claim they won’t hate Israel. We’ll get into proof that they do in a second. And by the way, I actually agreed with them on one thing. They were talking about how Mamdani answered a question well, and he did. Because they were having a debate, and there were a bunch of the candidates up there, and they said, hey, if you could go to any foreign nation and visit any foreign nation, where would you go? And some said, you know, like Israel or wherever, right? And he said, nowhere. I just want to stay right here in New York and work for the people. Great answer. Okay. But Mamdani, of course, has… unbelievable number of terrible beliefs and they didn’t say anything about it once again yeah well he’s total marxist communist once again cupcake treatment for a hater of israel and a hater of america well yeah absolutely both of those okay Here’s the proof, because there will be people, well, we still don’t think that we hate Israel. Really? Here’s the proof that those people do hate Israel, and it’s a real problem in the Republican Party, especially amongst young conservatives. They will believe any bad thing they hear about Israel outright.
SPEAKER 12 :
Any conspiracy, that’s right. Face value, they take it right at it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. When you, John, and this is a little psychology here. This could be true in a marriage. This could be true in a church. This could be true in a business, anywhere you go. When you always want a certain person to be wrong, you always want them to be the bad guy, you hate them. Right. You hate them. And, folks, if you are in this mindset, you’ve got to look in the mirror and realize something. I hate Israel.
SPEAKER 12 :
If you’re never wrong and they’re always wrong, there’s a problem there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. And, I mean, look at the things that they believe. You know, Tucker basically espoused at a TPUSA event that Israel – You know, helped Epstein traffic in underage women. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
I know. I’ve heard the same thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Now, what evidence did he provide? Zero. No, none. None. Absolutely none. He just said, well, he has connections with them. Epstein had connections with, you know, powerful forces all over the globe. Right. Okay. Big deal. Right. How did they actually help him do this? He had no evidence at all. But throngs of his supporters believed it right away. OK, here’s another one. Israel controls Donald Trump and his foreign policy.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’ve heard that one, too. Nobody controls Donald Trump, by the way. No one does.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know.
SPEAKER 12 :
No one does.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know. I’ve got personal friends who have told me as recently as last week that they believe this.
SPEAKER 12 :
No. That’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. And they believe, well, because, you know, he bombed Iran. He bombed Iran to take out a nuke site.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct. Had nothing to do with Israel. Yeah. Had nothing to do with us.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Or because he wants Thomas Massey out of Congress. He wants him out of Congress because he always votes against us. And that means we’ve got to get one more Democrat vote every time, which means we’ve got to make bills more liberal to pass them. Okay. That’s why he wants Massey out. He doesn’t want Massey out because Massey hates Israel. He wants Massey out because he’s a bad team member. If you had a guy on the Broncos, you know, Broncos are eight and two. They all work together, right? What if one of them didn’t? Wouldn’t you want them off the team? Yeah. Okay. And look, I could go through a number more. I won’t even go through it. Okay. You’ve heard a lot of them. But when people believe every single conspiracy theory that depicts Israel as the bad guy, and they do, they buy into all of it, you know they hate Israel. And when they hate Israel… They do hate Jews because Israel is the only nation on earth that is primarily what? It’s Jewish. It’s the only Jewish nation on the entire planet. And it’s the nation that you blame for everything under the sun. If that is the case, John, I think you hate Jews. Am I correct or not?
SPEAKER 12 :
I think you’re right. Absolutely. And, folks, please, I try to be nice to all of you as listeners, but some of you, you frustrate me sometimes. I just got a text message in that we haven’t made one mention of Veterans Day yet today.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, we did.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, we did. And I’ve got a special guest coming up at 5 o’clock to even get into that further. You have to listen, folks, to the entire program before you send me a stupid email that says I haven’t mentioned it. And I’m sorry to be that rude, folks, but if you’re not going to listen to the whole program, don’t tell me how to run it.
SPEAKER 08 :
You mentioned it twice, John.
SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you. And it’s coming up again in another few minutes here at the top of the hour. Please, before you send me something stupid that says something like this, listen to the entire program so you don’t sound ignorant.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, let me close it with this.
SPEAKER 12 :
It frustrates me.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it’s totally ignorant because, yes, we have twice. If people are wondering why you’re making such a big deal out of this, you know what? I wouldn’t.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is dividing the party.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s a big deal, Andy.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s dividing the party. It’s going to force upon us losing races down the road if we don’t fix this.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s the problem.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s why it’s important.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right now, and I can tell you right now, there are a lot of Republicans who don’t want to. There are Republicans I don’t want to work with because of this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
It is big because they’re so vicious.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, just got a text message in from one of you a moment ago that said that his young son says that it’s now really cool to be a young conservative and be anti-Israel. That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, by the way. How is that cool?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, what he’s saying is it’s in vogue. The majority feels that way. And the majority of young conservatives are anti-Israel.
SPEAKER 12 :
Unbelievable. I never thought I’d say that or see that.
SPEAKER 08 :
But, you know, John, how many of the young conservatives have taken a step back and looked, honestly, at what we get from Israel for the money?
SPEAKER 12 :
They don’t. They don’t. And the other problem you’ve got is they believe all these stupid conspiracies that everybody spews out.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, they believe everyone.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which you just said earlier.
SPEAKER 08 :
They gobble them up. Remember, there was one that Tucker had on, and Tucker nodded totally as the guy said this. The guy said that the reason Europe has been overrun with Muslims is because of Israel. Israel pushed them that way. He was serious. Tucker just nods in agreement. I’m just like, what? You think it’s because of Israel that Europe is over? No, it’s because of your immigration policies. And that’s one out of, we wouldn’t have time. We would need five shows to list them all.
SPEAKER 12 :
I agree. And somebody else said a moment ago that, you know, I need to be a little bit more nice to people because not everybody can listen to the entire program. And here’s my comment back. I get that. I understand that. That’s understandable. But then don’t tell me how to run my show then. I mean, if you’re going to listen to the whole program and you want to tell me how to run the show, be my guest. But if you’re going to listen to bits and pieces because that’s what your schedule allows, then don’t tell me how to run my program or what I haven’t talked about because you haven’t listened to the whole thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, what you could do, let’s say you’ve only listened in bits and pieces, which is fine. People are busy.
SPEAKER 12 :
You could say, did you talk about Veterans Day today?
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s what I was going to say. And I could say yes twice already. You could ask, have you talked about Veterans Day yet?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, I have, twice. And we’ve got another episode coming up here in a few minutes. So, yes, we have. Yeah. My point is, some of you are so critical of what we’re doing, and yet don’t listen, evidently don’t listen to the whole program, and yet you want to come out and criticize me for how I operate it. That’s sort of like being a backseat driver and you’re looking out the window and not looking ahead at the windshield.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, if you haven’t heard it all, then ask.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re liable to get the correct answer on what we haven’t. Well, you will get the correct answer on what we have and haven’t covered when it’s all said and done. And I said earlier, I mean, my son is a vet. I love our vets dearly. Andy is a vet. I know a lot of vets in my life. I’m very thankful for each and every one of them. I said that earlier. And most of them get very little credit for the things that they have done. And in a lot of cases through our VA system, we treat our veterans like crap.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it ain’t great.
SPEAKER 12 :
We’ll give out SNAP benefits, but we won’t take care of our vets.
SPEAKER 08 :
It has improved.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s gotten better. But still, Andy, we’ll take care of 42 million people on SNAP, but not care for our veterans like we should. That’s my other complaint.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, that’s a good comparison.
SPEAKER 12 :
Don’t get me going. Again, I did that the first hour. So some of you missed that conversation as well, probably, because I was pretty hard on SNAP benefits in the first hour. So, all right, we’ve got another full hour coming your way. Yes, our next guest, we’re going to talk about Veterans Day even more. We’ll be right back. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m a rich guy.
