Andy Peth fills in and tackles a question conservatives keep running into: why do younger voters seem naturally skeptical of the right—and how do you break through it? Joined by Tanner Coleman and Ashley Cartman, Andy digs into the idea that many young people feel conservatives want to “control their lives,” and why that perception sticks even when they agree with conservative points on economics, freedom, and government overreach.
Instead of trying to “convert” someone in one conversation, Andy argues for a more realistic goal: lower the heat, lower the hostility, and “lower their number.” The crew talks through how
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Actually, it’s Andy Pate.
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Party of choice. And welcome to our number two. I’m Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, who’s taking a well-deserved week off. Boy, he works hard. He does so many shows. I mean, it’s incredible. Isn’t it how many shows he does? Wow. Okay. And I’m joined by Tanner Cole and Ashley Cart.
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Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now we’re going to be talking about young people and independence. Okay. Because I, I honestly think a lot of independence these days are in the same grouping as young people. They’re just as hard to reach.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Okay. And let me ask you guys something. Do you look at your age group as unreachable for the right right now?
SPEAKER 06 :
um be honest for looking i mean i feel like our you know 16 to 30 age group yeah everyone’s pretty you know on their side and it’s very hard to convince someone to jump ship like they’re too far down the kool-aid even myself okay if the left was trying to switch me or something however i think there is a way to get the independence it’s just you have to be very meticulous with every word you use for the most part
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, so you’ve got to be careful. You can’t be a bull in a rhetorical china shop.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. I mean, there’s so many little things, and everyone’s so offended by things nowadays, especially in our generation, that, like, using one little term out of phrase can cause an uproar, and I’m… Done it a million times where I get in trouble for saying something.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, the funny thing is, this is actually why a lot of people like Trump.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, not just in the MAGA movement, but I’m talking about this last election. A lot of people who are into MMA, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. It’s insane when he shows up.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. A lot of the young people. And the reason is this. I believe that a lot of young people are tired of having to watch every word they say and walk on eggshells everywhere and feel like they have the speech police hovering over them everywhere they go. I think a lot of young people are sick of it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, 100%. Even my friends on the left, like, they don’t really care. It’s more, I mean… Unfortunately, it’s more women that are younger liberals, and they’re the ones who care a little more about the speech for the most part. Guys, not as much. I hate to sound sexist, but that’s just the truth. They’re more sensitive beings in general.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, they’re more liberal in general here in America. Okay, Ashley, you are a conservative woman.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, what do you see happening here? I mean, why do you think it is? Do you think that young people are totally unreachable, or can we reach them?
SPEAKER 17 :
I definitely think that young people are reachable. I live half of my life on the internet, TikTok, all that stuff, just scrolling. And the things that I see come up on TikTok, especially for mine and Tanner’s age group, is a lot of these kids that as they get older and as they get their first mortgage or they get married, suddenly they’re sitting there and looking back and going, oh no, the left doesn’t work. The ideas that I held so dear to me about liberalism do not work. because I’m seeing how bad they are for me as an adult.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think also to tag on that, not only like mortgages or a home or something or even a condo, but having your first child and then seeing like, oh, my kid’s going to school. I want to protect my kid. I now want a gun. I don’t want criminals coming in the country that could maybe take my kid or do something to the kid. I don’t want my kid to go to school and be taught something that I’m not teaching them or some ideology I don’t want them to learn.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then, you know, I want taxes to come down. I want gas to be cheaper in these states because I got to afford now this child. So I think they start to eventually turn conservative for the most part. I mean, that’s what happened with my parents.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s only partial.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Now, I’ve talked about this for many years, folks. Okay. And I have… talk to young people i used to do it a lot when i was up in the casino and i would talk to young people during the dead times it’s not like i was proselytizing it’s just that it’s a dead time and you start talking about what’s interesting to you and they would most time they’d lead the way right and they would ask me questions because they knew i was one of these weirdo republicans and that was just fascinating to them it’s like going to the zoo i never see this animal Okay, and so, you know, I want to, can I feed him? Oh, okay. Yeah, you can feed me. Can I pet him?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, can you tranquilize him so I can pet him?
SPEAKER 09 :
Don’t pet me. I’m married, but buy me a burger? Yeah, I’m there. Okay. And this is, I have really realized a lot of things with young people. And first of all, here’s the biggest thing that angers me and frustrates me. They will turn on Republicans at the drop of a hat. A Republican has to be perfect. And I mean letter perfect for them to like the Republican. The Democrat can make a million mistakes. And let’s say you have a Republican and a Democrat and they’re in a debate. The Republican has to be spot on almost every single step of the way. And if they make one or two mistakes, slip ups, they’re gone. And they will hate the Republican. The Democrat, they will allow them to make all kinds of mistakes and they don’t care. Young people are very naturally much more accepting of the left than they are of the right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think the best example is just when Charlie Kirk was alive, watching the videos of him with all these young liberals. And he’s a young guy too, but he would be spot on. Everything he says is, or for the most part, correct. But they couldn’t take it just because maybe they thought he was a little snarky or something. Or why are you on my campus? Why are you doing this? I mean, one little thing and it’s out the window.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and the thing that was so impressive about Charlie Kirk is that he was – and here, I’ll throw out two people who are on opposite ends of the spectrum. You know, you got Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson. Okay. But they’re both very impressive on how they speak.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And how they convey, you know, what they believe. Yeah. Young people basically don’t like you, Republicans. I got news for you, they don’t. And now I’m gonna tell you why, all right? I want you to understand why they’re angry, because why do they expect you to be so perfect while the other side can make a million mistakes, okay? Why do they put such stress on the Republicans? Here’s why. I want you to talk to 1,000 young people. What if you talk to 1,000 young people, okay? Not young Republicans, I mean, just across the board. And you ask them this question. Which of the two major political parties disapproves of you and wants to tell you how to live your life? What are they going to say?
SPEAKER 06 :
Republicans.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Is it going to be close?
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. It’s going to be overwhelming. And yet, is it true?
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. No, it isn’t. It isn’t true, okay? It’s overwhelmingly the other way. If you were to break down all the issues, and I mean like dozens of issues, you would find that Democrats want to control your life in about 90%.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 09 :
95%. They want to know everything you’re doing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, they do. Democrats, every piece of legislation, almost every single piece, regulates your life a lot more. Right. Okay. Okay. Now, it’s not true. So why do they believe that Republicans want to control their lives and Democrats don’t? I put it this way. It’s because our 5% is their 100%. Now, you don’t know what that means. Let me explain it. Okay. Here’s what I mean, folks. If you were to look at all the ways that we can give liberty in somebody’s life and let them live as they want, on about 95% of those, it’s actually more like 98, but I’ll say 95%. I’ll be nice to the Democrats here. And about 95% of those Republicans are the party that’s going to give liberty and let you live the way you want to live. They’re going to give you more liberty in your life. Democrats only give you liberty in about 5% of those ways. Okay, here’s the problem. All right. If you look at that, our five percent where we do control you. What is it?
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s all things.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. It’s all things having to do with your body.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
OK. The when you look at all the areas where Republicans give liberty. OK. Young people don’t own any of those things. They don’t own businesses. They don’t create jobs. They don’t own guns yet, I hope. They’re 15. Yeah, I hope not. Yeah, you know what I mean. They don’t deal with water rights, land rights, mineral rights. They don’t deal with so many of the areas where we give liberty. Virtually all the areas where we give liberty don’t affect their life. Why? Because they haven’t come to that age yet where we can’t. The only thing that young people own, what is the only thing they own?
SPEAKER 06 :
Their body.
SPEAKER 09 :
Their body. Okay? And so young people look at the Republican Party that would restrict what you do with your body. Okay? And I think in some very good ways.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
You shouldn’t be cutting up your body when you’re 17 and deciding I’m a girl instead of a boy. You shouldn’t be doing these things. But they look at us and they say… If I want to be gay and be married, you don’t approve of it. If I want to have an abortion, you don’t approve. By the way, folks, if you’re thinking that I’m a social liberal, I’m a social conservative.
SPEAKER 06 :
Same.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. But I’m simply telling you. Our 5% where we give liberty, where we don’t give liberty, I’m sorry, is 100% of their life. Right. Because their entire life, all they own is their body. And that’s the one area where we don’t give the liberty and the Democrats do. This is how the Democrats hook you when you’re young.
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Unfortunately, the Democrats have led them to believe that cutting up their body is the only way to take ownership of their body. I went through a goth phase in high school. It’s one of those things of, hey, my body’s the only thing I control. Let me slap on some black eyeshadow, some black eyeliner. Let me walk around with spiky hair or black clothes. There you go. There’s my ownership of my body. I don’t have to cut it up. But the Democrats have led young people to believe that the only way to truly take the power of your body back is to mutilate yourself, is to kill another human being, is to completely throw out all sorts of morals and standards for a normal human being to live by. Okay, so here’s the thing.
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Young people, everything you just said is true, by the way, thank you. Young people, this is why they look at the Republican Party, the one that gives the liberty in the 95%. And they see us as the ones who want to control their lives. Why are 5% is 100% of their lives? Does that make sense? Yeah. Okay. Here’s my next question. Is it just young people who feel this way? Or is it people in their 30s, 40s, 50s?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, there are, but I think… It sticks with you. Especially abortion and then some of the other stuff that comes along with that, like Planned Parenthood and stuff, that’s usually more of a female-oriented topic.
SPEAKER 09 :
Usually, but not entirely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, but in their 30s and 40s, some of them are still… I mean, you still see the Karens and stuff out there who are screaming, my body, my choice, who are 44 or whatever, so…
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, it’s kind of interesting, if I may jump in. I’ve always found it interesting that abortion is looked at as a woman’s issue. OK, because I got news for you, folks. It is not.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And let me let me tell you why. First of all, who is the most pro-choice person on the planet? It is not the young woman with the unwanted pregnancy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s the guy who got her pregnant. Mm hmm. That is the most pro-choice person on the planet, right? Because she at least has some feelings of nurture. He only has feelings of escape.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Are you with me on this? Sure. Right. Now, I’m not saying she can’t be very pro-choice, of course, but I’m just saying. Now, number two, when you look at these pro-life demonstrations and marching groups, Which gender is the vast majority of those people? Female. Yeah, it’s mostly women, folks. It’s mostly women. And finally, half those who are aborted happen to be female. Okay, just so you know. I understand, and we’re going to get to how to talk people differently about abortion here in a moment. But first, just this whole idea that it’s about hating women, and that’s why Republicans, you know, they’re anti-women, they’re at war with women. No. Okay. It is simply that we have a different belief on when life begins.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. I don’t think it’s a male-female issue as much. I do believe in one way it is. Why? Because only women have to go through childbirth. Right. Nine months. We guys never have to carry a child for nine months.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right? Hopefully, yeah. Gosh.
SPEAKER 09 :
You drive me nuts. If you listen to the left, you absolutely can. You absolutely can. Yes, yes. Well, that’s what blows my mind. The left can’t even say what a woman is. And then they talk about women’s rights. We’ll get to abortion here in a bit. But first, just taking a step back, what I want people to understand out there, folks, is why, if you’re wondering, how come I can’t reach young people? I say all the right words. I have all the right arguments. I win, win, win, win, win. And yet they don’t come over. This is why. They believe you disapprove of them and want to control their lives. Why? Because your 5% is their 100%. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
There’s also just the inherent rebellion of young people.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but why aren’t they rebelling against the other side as much?
SPEAKER 06 :
Because they’ve been told we’re a dictatorship, we’re fascists.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but why do they believe it? Why do they believe every bad thing they hear about Republicans and not Democrats?
SPEAKER 06 :
Because all the young kids are lazy now. They don’t want to do their own research.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it’s because they want us to lose the debate. Why? Because they see us as the ones who disapprove of them and want to control their lives.
SPEAKER 17 :
But I mean, it’s not rebelling if, look at it from the perspective of like parents of a teenager. If your parents are strict and they have standards for you, you’re going to rebel against the strict standards. If your parents just let you run wild and do whatever the heck you want, there’s no reason to rebel against them. They’re letting you do what you want to do anyway. Right. So they’re not going to rebel against the left because the left is letting them do whatever they want to do.
SPEAKER 09 :
The right is setting standards. With their body. Now, the left will control you in all the other ways of life. Remember COVID?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, you just look at media, social media.
SPEAKER 09 :
Florida, South Dakota, these places were the places of freedom. We called it the free state of Florida. Everybody was calling it that. And during COVID, Republicans let you live your life way, way, way, way, way, way, way more than Democrats did. Democrats, it was Nazi time.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Yeah. Don’t even get me started on Australia. All right. Serious. In the lockdowns and shutting down schools and all this. And then in the aftermath, we see that the science, they were pretty wrong on it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
It wasn’t a good idea. Did they ever apologize? No. No, they don’t have to. Do kids, do young people resent the Democrat Party for what they put us through during COVID? No, they don’t. They let them off the hook. They let the Democrats off the hook for almost anything. And I’m trying people. I’m helping people understand why. Why do young people resent the right naturally? And I’m telling you, this is why. Because the only thing they own when they’re young is their body. And that’s when they’re forming all their deep beliefs. And these beliefs stick with them. And because of that, they want you to lose the debate. Am I making sense?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
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putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 09 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole and Ashley Cart. Okay, and really quick here, For those who don’t believe that Democrats want to control your life more, I mean, come on. And John and I talk about this all the time. Let’s say you don’t want to smoke, okay? You don’t like smoking. You guys are Republicans. If you don’t want to smoke, what do you do?
SPEAKER 17 :
I don’t smoke.
SPEAKER 09 :
You don’t smoke. If a Democrat doesn’t want to smoke, they ban smoking, okay? Let’s say you don’t want to use plastic bags at the store because you feel it’s bad for the environment. What would you do, Tanner?
SPEAKER 06 :
I’d bring a reusable bag.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. You would do something else, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Democrats want to ban plastic bags, which they have now done. In every area of life, when Democrats… don’t want don’t like something they want it banned for all people right i mean you just look at social media they restrict any free speech basically right and so they want to control your life constantly constantly constantly but yet i asked you at the beginning if you talk to a thousand young people which of the two major parties want disapproves of you wants to control your life wants to tell you how to live what did you say republicans they would say that overwhelmingly why Because they see us, they see us as controlling in the one thing they own, which is their body. Okay, on the line right now, we’ve got Brett and Thornton. Brett, who do you know personally here?
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ll take a shot. Ashley.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, gee, you think?
SPEAKER 07 :
I think.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hi, Dad.
SPEAKER 07 :
How you doing, sweetheart?
SPEAKER 09 :
Brett, so we have you to blame for putting a woman on this show who’s smarter than me? I resent that.
SPEAKER 07 :
She’s smarter than me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, but you have a disagreement with me. Go ahead. I like this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Andy, you guys are hitting on why the youth, the young people, dislike the right so much. And you skirted around what I feel is one of the big things. Okay. And you talk about how they don’t own anything, just their bodies. And we want to control them. And I think one of the big things is that in the education system, they’re raised with this idea that you can’t afford anything because the right has bought it all. And they’ve got it so expensive, you’ll never be able to own it. You’ll never be able to buy into it. And they’re not taught… how so many of us have what we have because we worked for it for a number of years. We didn’t start out owning a house. We lived in apartments. We lived in trailers. We lived in mobile homes or whatever. And in time, we saved, promoted up, got better jobs to where we could afford the house. But they’re told to expect it, that if you can’t have it as soon as you get out of college, it’s the right’s fault because they made it so expensive you can never own it. So get on the government programs for assistance. Get the rent controlled housing.
SPEAKER 09 :
and we’ll take care of you but the right is priced you out of ever having anything that they have right what you’re talking about here brett and i agree with this you’re talking about the indoctrination of class warfare which is brought at us not just by and you said schools and you’re right that’s the main place but it’s also brought to us by the rest of the big four entertainment says that media says that uh big tech will say that too um Basically, what the left does is they indoctrinate young people to think that we got ours and now we want to keep you from having yours. Correct?
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
My big question is, why does that work so well? And that’s why I’m talking about how their deep held resentment toward us. Which is formed when they are young because the only thing they own is their body, and they see us as wanting to control their body. They see us as the moral police, and they see us as limiting them, and that sticks with them. And that is why they’re willing to buy into those things so quickly because you’re totally right. They’re indoctrinated. There’s no question, right? Right. Oh, go ahead. No, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you look at the Nazi Party, the Socialist Party, the Communist Party. They didn’t just focus on the adults to gain power and their agenda. They went after the kids. Oh, yeah. Because they’re impressionable. Because they are. They are. And any kid, it’s like, well, I want what I want now. I want whatever I want. Instant gratifications. Right. And those parties would work on that. And they would give them. That sense of I’m in control of my life. I’m in control of what I get. And as they grow up, they’re easy to control by the parties.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, really quick here, Brett. I mean, think about, it’s a wonderful sales pitch that the left has, okay? I’m going to steal, and this is the unspoken sales pitch. I’m going to steal from other people for you and make you feel good about it.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s the Robin Hood pitch.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. But it starts with, first, I need you to hate the other side. I know you will. Why? I’m going to let you do whatever you want with the one thing you own, and that’s your body. You want to cut it up, change your gender, you go ahead. You want to be gay straight, you go ahead. You do whatever. It doesn’t matter. You want to smoke this, drink that, inject this. It doesn’t matter. We’re going to let you do whatever you want with your body. You’re in charge, man. And then we’re going to tell you when it comes to stuff, money. It’s those people, those people who never let you do what you want with your body. They’re the ones who have it and want to keep it from you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. OK, as far as the body goes, are you also including the mind in that? Sure. Because like the protest against ICE when they take the students out of school and it’s like, go out here and protest. And this is your right. This is your freedom. This is your voicing your opinion.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but they do it in total bias fashion, Brett. They say, you are free to protest.
SPEAKER 17 :
As long as it’s the protest we want you to protest.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, exactly. You’re free to protest for the things that we want, but you’re not free to protest against the things that we… You know, you can’t do a MAGA protest.
SPEAKER 07 :
My gosh, what are you, racist? You see what I mean? When the cops go in there and arrest the kids, it’s like, well, this is just the right. This is just the right trying to control your mind and your voice. Right. And that just gives them more ammunition against us. It’s not just their body, it’s their mind. And they try and use the Constitution against the right as, well, this is your First Amendment right that they are trying to crush.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s a misappropriation of the thought police.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, absolutely. And the funny thing is this. Young people want to say, I’m so rebellious. I do what I want. I do what I want. I do what I want. And yet they buy into all the indoctrination that’s given them by their overlords in academia. They’re far more controlled, Brett, than they think they are, aren’t they? Absolutely. Absolutely. They’re being herded like cattle. And they’re being told things like, if you don’t have public education, you can’t have education. You see what I’m saying? And they believe. But here’s the thing. When you start out believing one side disapproves of you and wants to tell you how to live your life, then it’s very easy to see the other side as a liberator. even if they’re the ones who want to control you. Like I said earlier, one side, if they don’t want to smoke, they just don’t smoke. The other side will ban it. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
They give them a sense of power.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And young people today are actually… This is why they went… You’re talking Nazi Germany. This is why they went after Hitler Youth. They got young people to love the idea of power. To love the idea of controlling other people’s lives using the raw power of government. And we can be part of that. It’s a very empowering feeling. It’s like a drug.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. So the Nazi Youth… The Soviet Union had the young pioneers. Yep. Here, we had the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts. What have they done to those organizations? They’ve destroyed them because they were patriotic. They developed independence, and they were based on Christianity. And they have done everything they can to destroy those organizations here.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah. And you’ve got to keep in mind, Brett, young people now believe Christianity is the enemy. Don’t get me wrong. There’s still revival that happens in America. But by and large, if you look at young people and you talk about the Bible, you talk about Jesus, and God bless Charlie Kirk for what he did. It was incredible. He made inroads. But by and large, they despise the God of the Bible. They think he is their oppressor. He is the one who limits them. He is the one who doesn’t understand them. He is the one who looks at them and says… What you’re doing with your body, everything that feels good is sin and bad. Therefore, you are bad because you don’t agree with me. And the left comes and says, if it feels good, it is you. Live it. He’s wrong. We’re right, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it’s like what you said about how they want to restrict so much and the youth doesn’t understand it. The right has standards. Christianity has standards. And they try and say, oh, they want to oppress you with their standards. But the left passes laws. The left passes restrictions and regulation. But we just have our standards that we try and live by.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, but the restrictions and regulations that the left passes, how many of them affect how a young person uses their body? Next to none, okay?
SPEAKER 07 :
Very little.
SPEAKER 09 :
Unless it’s COVID times. Except for COVID, right. But no, it affects adults, what they do with their business, what they do with their property, their personal property, all the things that young people don’t own yet. You see what I mean? So all the ways that Democrats control your life, young people don’t feel that. That’s why they can look at Democrats as their liberator. Brett, I’ve got to move on.
SPEAKER 07 :
Awesome. Great. Thanks for having me on.
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SPEAKER 09 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole and Ashley Cart. That’s right. Okay, now we were talking in the last segment about why young people so naturally gravitate toward the left and want to believe it. And here’s the problem. It sticks with them. Okay. And they are willing to buy anything the left says. Yeah. Because they see them as their liberators, their physical liberators. Now, here’s the big thing that makes it hard for us. I think a lot of people on the right have the wrong goal when they talk, not just to young people, but to independents. They think, I got to get a conversion. I got to win. I got to turn them around. I’ve got to, you know, convert them, make a Republican, you know, just add water.
SPEAKER 17 :
You want to make them reject everything they’ve grown up thinking.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. You want every discussion with them to basically at the end of it, be a bad, have a baptism and they come up out of the water and say, go Trump. Right. I mean, that’s what you want to do. Folks, that is the wrong goal. If you go into that, you’ve already lost. Why? Because they don’t… I mean, let me ask you this, Tanner. Do you wake up every day wanting somebody with different beliefs to convert you?
SPEAKER 06 :
Never.
SPEAKER 09 :
To defeat you?
SPEAKER 08 :
No.
SPEAKER 09 :
To beat you?
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. They don’t either. So if you go in with that as your goal, you’ve already lost.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You almost want to offer an olive branch up front. Right. That’s what I… We’ve talked about this before, but with my buddies, like… I usually start with agreeing with them on something. And that usually lightens them up. And then they start to see a little bit more about what I’m saying instead of already enraged just because I started, well, you’re an idiot if you don’t like Trump. Or you’re an idiot if you don’t like this policy or whatever it may be. But almost extending the olive branch off the bat seems to lighten them up and give them a more sensible approach than just screaming.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and there’s a reason for that. What you’re doing is you’ve got to lower the anger first. And the reason we had that long talk in the last segment is I wanted people to understand the anger that is in these kids. Even if they’re smiling, I’m telling you, They don’t trust you on the right, naturally. You start at a huge deficit the moment you go into that discussion with them. But you can turn it around quickly. Remember, they believe you want to control their lives, so the very first thing you’ve got to show them is that you don’t. I’m not here to control you. When young people ask me, or any people ask me, why are you a Republican, I always say the same thing. Oh, that’s easy. I want to control my own life, not yours. That’s why I’m a Republican. No, they’re not going to agree right away, right? Well, yeah, well, you. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s hard to convince them that you don’t want to control their life when, like we were talking about, Republicans are setting regulations against transitioning youth or you can’t buy a vape before you’re 21 or anything like that. They see that as control. So it’s hard to convince them at that age that it’s not about control. It’s just about standards.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. I’ll be honest. I don’t care much about vaping. But OK. But you see what I mean? Here’s the thing. And what if I gave you a way that you can soften them instantly? OK. Not make them agree with you instantly. Don’t go in needing a conversion. OK. What you want to do is a thing I call lowering their number. All right. Now, I want to describe liberals. On a scale of one to ten.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I’m going to be very quick. I’m going to race through this. The ones and twos. Okay. The first group, they are apolitical or barely leaning left. These ones are very open to change, unlikely to vote Democrat. They won’t recruit or act as an activist. They’re the leaners. Right. Okay. You know them, right? Yeah. Okay. Next group are the threes and fours. These are casual Democrats. Okay. They’re still reachable for the right. They will vote Democrat if someone recruits them to do so at election time, but they won’t recruit and they won’t act as an activist. You know some of those, right? Okay, next group, fives and six, the reliable Democrat, okay? They’re barely reachable. They will vote Democrat, sometimes recruit, but they’re not an activist, okay? Seven and eight, the motivated Democrat, virtually unreachable, always votes Democrat, always recruits others, sometimes acts as an activist. And finally, nine and 10, pure Marxist. Right. Okay. Unreachable, sole purpose in life is destruction of America’s foundations, nonstop recruiter and activist in all venues. Basically me many years ago. OK, so here’s what I’m saying, folks. Have a different goal. Take the pressure off yourself. You’re putting too much pressure on yourself. You’re saying, I got to convince them. I got to win them. Well, they don’t want to be won or convinced. Right. You see what I mean? What if instead you change your goal to I want to lower their number? Because it’s huge. What if you turned every 7 and 8 into a 5 and 6? Right. And every 5 and 6 into a 3 or 4? Guess what? We would win every election going forward.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ve turned a 9 and 10 into a 5 and 6.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. That’s incredible. Exactly. Now, how do you do that? it’s very simple i’m going to give you the lead in and then we’ll you know after the break we’ll talk about some more ways that you can talk to them on various issues but first of all i just want to give you a basic thing you have to do praise their motives oh yeah and guys i cannot stress this enough if you go in wanting to win them convert them whatever that is demeaning to them they don’t want that okay I mean, what you’re basically saying is you want me to be like you because you don’t respect me being like me. Okay. Here’s what you want to do. Praise their motives. Okay. And I just want to take a quick look at abortion. Okay. When I talk abortion with somebody who’s pro-choice, I almost always say this, and it’s not because I’m programmed. I just, I care about them. I say, you know what? I’m pro-life, but I love the reason you’re pro-choice. You don’t want the government telling a woman what she can do with her body. I agree. I think that’s a great motivation. I think that follows along with the idea of small government. Right. If we’re talking immigration, I lead in and I say… you know, let’s say they want more open borders. They don’t believe in ICE and all this. And I say, you know what? I don’t see it that way, but you know what? I love the reason you do, because I believe that you see America as a great place and you just want more people to experience it. You want that for more people. You look at the poverty around the world. You look at desperate people around the world. You see we have so much here and you want them to enjoy it here too. I think it’s awesome. Notice I’m not agreeing with them. And I’m also not lying to them. I really do feel that way about them. I like that good motive they have.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, yeah, I think for the most part, Democrats and left-leaning, they have good motives behind what they want.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, not the leadership.
SPEAKER 17 :
Not the leadership.
SPEAKER 09 :
They know they’re conning people. But yeah, the common regular young Democrat or independent who leans left, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
They have good motives for what they are, okay? For me, the hardest one, for a lot of conservatives, the hardest ones are the pro-choicers because we believe you’re murderers and all this. For me, it’s environmentalists. I can’t stand environmentalists, and I get very emotional with them. It is hard for me. I despise environmentalism. It’s such a passion. I hate Avatar.
SPEAKER 06 :
Their whole industry is ridiculous because all these environmentalists, the ones that get published and everyone talks about or references their studies are the ones that every, main media company puts forward or industry, whatever it may be, but then the actual scientists who are proving the opposite, which is what we think. Those people can’t get any recognition whatsoever, and they’re shut down immediately.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and half of their measures are worse for the environment than the things they’re trying to prevent.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, now, now, now. You guys are leading in, and you’re giving talking points. And by the way, they’re true. Everything you just said was true, both of you. Okay? Don’t ever do that again. I don’t like to be outshined. I’m kidding. Okay, so everything you just said was true. But when you are talking to somebody who is liberal or left-leaning— The talking points have them ready, but don’t lead with that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. If I lead, there are three ways I can lead in when I’m talking to somebody who is liberal or left-leaning and young. All right. I can either lead with my demands. Okay. And, you know, you’re trying to take my freedoms from me. Give me give me my freedoms back. You know, guns. You know, if you want to take my gun, you’ll have to take it from my cold, dead hands, cold, dead hands. Exactly. You know, and by the way, am I lying when I say that? No, I’m telling the truth. You will have to take it from my cold, dead hand if you want to take my gun. But notice how I’m making a demand. When I make a demand like that, I make the listener feel like the bad guy. You’re keeping this from me. Give it to me. Which means they’re going to get defensive and angry. Yeah, by your liberal voting, you’re taking away my freedoms, which, by the way, they are. When I lead with a demand, I make them feel like the bad guy. Okay, let’s say I lead with everything we were just talking about, the talking points.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I say, hey, don’t you know that the more freedom people have to carry guns, the fewer shootings that we have? Why? There’s somebody to shoot back. If you look at all mass shootings happen in gun-free zones. If you look at all the places that have the strictest gun laws, Chicago, Baltimore, and all of them, that’s where most of the killing happens. I’m leading with my talking points. I’m talking down to them. Do they feel like the smart guy or the dumb guy? They feel like the dumb guy. Okay, so if I lead with my demands, I make them feel like the bad guy. If I lead with my lecture, I make them feel like the dumb guy. How many people want to be the bad and dumb guy? No one. You just blew the sale. Do you see what I’m saying? Yep. So what do I lead with? Whatever matters to them first. I put their needs first and I praise their motives. You put their ego first. Yeah, but also their goodness. Okay? Because I really believe in it. I’m not just stroking egos here. And I understand. I really believe it. I like the fact that a woman doesn’t want to be controlled by the government. I think it’s great. Right. Am I making sense here?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think also just agreeing with them to some degree. Like if they bring up, oh, I don’t want the government controlling my body. Just being like, I understand that point. I agree with it. However… Just almost agreeing with them before you even say your talking point once you’ve been through a couple exchanges.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and even before the however, I would say, I think that’s awesome.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s almost leading by example. You can’t expect them to agree with any of your points if you refuse to agree with any of theirs.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, you have to give a little to get some back.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I like to say it before they even can. Yeah, you don’t want the government telling a woman what she can do with her body. I agree. Whoa. We’re on the same page about that? Yeah, but then I have something I say after that. Okay. Right. But first, the first thing I want to say is Geno’s Auto. Let’s take a quick break. We’ll come back and finish this up. Geno’s Auto. Don’t take your car to a place your friend likes. I’m sorry. Every friend has a place they like. Take your car to a place everyone likes with great reviews at Geno’s Auto. Call Geno’s at 303-794-6700.
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SPEAKER 04 :
TJ here again with Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. Al, I’ve talked to retirement advisors before, and I don’t hear a lot of them talking about passive income, but I hear that in a lot of other spaces. So can you tell us a little bit about that and how that applies to retirement?
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
So it seems like kind of the sky’s the limit for those kind of things. And how do you help guide folks through that? Or how does that apply to the different products and services that you give to folks?
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you can reach me at 303-744-1128. And if you’re driving, get in touch with KLZ, and they will put you in touch with me.
SPEAKER 04 :
And as always, you can find Al on klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you’re welcome. Thank you, TJ.
SPEAKER 10 :
Listen online. KLZradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 09 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole. And Ashley Cart. That’s right. You’re a military person. I am. Is your goal to make the Army cute and cuddly? Sure, yeah. I think that would improve it. She was talking at break about how I just want to be prissy in the military.
SPEAKER 06 :
Capture some soldiers, cuddle them at night, sing them lullabies.
SPEAKER 09 :
There you go. Okay, folks. When we’re talking to young people, let me sum it up really quick here. You are starting out from behind because they believe that as a conservative, you want to control their lives. Why? Because the only thing they owned when they were young was their bodies, and they see conservatives as limiting what they can do with that body.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
Even though we’re right, we do it for their own good. We don’t want you making decisions with your body that are going to affect the rest of your life. Before your frontal lobe is fully developed. Yes, it’s just not a good thing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Lifelong regret, we don’t want that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, cutting off parts or whatever. But, folks, how can you break through that? It’s very easy. Show them that you don’t want to control them. Okay? Show them that they matter. And the very first thing you can do is two things. By the way, one is listening. No one has ever controlled someone by listening to them. Think about that. Right. Okay? So when you simply listen, even by not saying a word… You are bringing down the heat. You’re lowering their number as a liberal. OK, they’re becoming less liberal and you haven’t said a word just by listening, even by not making a point. But I didn’t convert them. Good. They didn’t want to be. OK, just lower their number and you’ll make them less effective as a liberal. I’m being honest. Sorry to be strategic, but it’s true. When you lead in, always praise their motives. Look for the best motive that they might have for holding that position and praise it. You’re not lying. You’re being honest. That is really a good thing about them. Next, I want you to sell what matters to them. And I’m going to give a few examples really quick here. The economy. Okay, I always lead with this. I want you to have an economy people run to, not from. You deserve that. Okay, they run from socialist nations to here, from blue states to red, from cities to, you know, from urban areas to rural areas. Why? Why do you think that is? I want you to have an economy more like the places they run to, more Florida, less California.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because you deserve it. Okay. Now, is that a bad thing? No. No, it sounds good, right? Free college. Okay, this is a big one. A lot of people, young people, they want to pay off all their student loans. And I would say to them, you know what? If I thought that that would make your life all better, I would do it. It won’t. It’ll make it worse. Why do you go to college?
SPEAKER 17 :
I went to college to try to get a higher education and get a better job.
SPEAKER 09 :
Get a better job. You want to have a competitive advantage in the workplace, right? You want to have that piece of paper and the next guy doesn’t. Yeah. Why doesn’t high school give you that, Tanner?
SPEAKER 06 :
Because it’s not higher education.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Okay. It’s because everyone has it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
If everyone has it, then there’s no advantage in having it, correct? Okay. And so, Ashley, why does everyone have a high school degree? Not everybody does, but they can.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, because it’s free. It’s readily available.
SPEAKER 09 :
Everyone’s required to go. Okay. So if you make it free, everyone’s going to have it. If everyone has it, you have no advantage. Okay. So if we make college free, isn’t that just four more years wasted for no advantage?
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Because what if everybody has that piece of paper? Well, yeah, but mine’s in a specialty. Yeah, but you’ve just flooded the market with that much, that many more people in that specialty. Okay. So free college equals longer high school.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s all it is. Folks, if we pay off all your college debts and everybody now, because if we do it for you, we got to do it for every generation going forward. That means college is free for everybody. Free college means longer high school. Now, instead of going 12 years, you know, to finally get into the marketplace, now you got to go 16 just to get your foot in the door in the marketplace. We just burned up four of your most productive years of your life before you can even get started. We took away the whole advantage of college. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
My solution whenever anyone wants free college is great. You know what? I’ve got the greatest option for you. Join the military. They’ll pay for your college and you have a job. Oh, there you go.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Education. Really quick here. Your child’s success is my only agenda. That’s what I say. Okay? That’s all I care about. I don’t have an agenda using the schools to make you be like me. That’s what makes me different from, say, oh, Jared Polis. Okay? I want the schools to have one goal to help your kid kick ass in the free market.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Nothing else, no agendas whatsoever, left or right. Does that sell well?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. How about this one? Let’s take a look at abortion. Let’s finish with this. As I said before, I’m pro-life, but I love the reason you’re pro-choice. You don’t want the government telling a woman what she can do with her body. I agree. I just don’t want one person’s choice taking away another person’s choice. So we only disagree on when another person is in play. But that doesn’t make me a woman hater, and that doesn’t make you a baby killer. It makes us two people who disagree on when life starts. How about we talk about that?
SPEAKER 17 :
I think that’s a better way to approach it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And, you know, we can go through every single one of these issues. Energy policy. I think energy policy should serve the most Americans, not pick the most favorites. OK, I think it should serve you, not control you. What do you think?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And, you know, globalism, you shouldn’t be governed by anyone. You can’t vote out health care. I don’t want you paying for anything you don’t choose. And that’s the problem of Obamacare. You’re having to pay for all kinds of stuff you didn’t choose. When you go to the store, how would you like me to make you pay for all kinds of stuff you didn’t buy? I’d really rather you not.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
OK, well, I feel the same way about your health care, which is even more important. You see where we’re going with this? Lead in by praising their motives, put them first, but then put their needs first and get some better sales pitches. Folks, we can win the young. We can do it because a lot of them are very smart. Well, for instance, the two I’m sitting with right now. Tanner, thanks for joining me today. And Ashley, thanks for joining me today. Very happy to be here. You guys did a magnificent job. That is it for our number two folks in our three. It’s going to be me and Joe, two not young people. And it’s going to be politics and humor with Jersey Joe. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy.
