John Rush and Andy Peth dive into the world of media personalities and political influencers in this lively and fiery discussion about who’s worth listening to—and who’s gone completely off the rails. From Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens to Megyn Kelly and Sean Hannity, the guys break down the good, the bad, and the ugly of conservative media voices. They discuss how fixation, clickbait, and ego can damage credibility—and why discernment matters now more than ever. It’s unfiltered, honest, and loaded with insight on who’s helping the cause… and who’s just helping themselves.
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All right, hour two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Okay, something that I wanted to do. I’ve been wanting to do this for a while, by the way. When I promo this, I figured I could spend a little bit of time on this particular topic. Kind of goes along in dovetails and wasn’t my plan when I decided to do this today originally. When I put this down for today’s topic and I’m calling this the good and the bad and the ugly of those that are out in media world. They could be. They could be influencers. They could be on TikTok. They could be on Instagram. They could be on TV. We’re going to go through a few of these today and talk about are they good, are they bad, are they ugly? And what I mean by good and bad, the ugly is, is this somebody worth following? And I would hope. and pray that Andy and I would fall into the good, because I feel like the things that we bring you guys each and every week, we try to do it as best as we can, taking emotion out of it and really looking at the facts of what’s going on, and this is how you should or shouldn’t look at a particular situation. And I feel like we did that all the way through even the Davidian crisis that was going on in our Colorado GOP. Yes, I was very critical of the things going on inside of the GOP, just like I get critical of things that happen on the left and so on. By the way, just because you’re critical of something doesn’t mean you’re a bad person. You’re not thinking straight. In fact, if anything, you’re like, hey, wake up, folks. Here’s what’s really going on over here while they’re wanting you to think they’re doing something over here. Right. You’re bringing awareness to what’s going on. It’s something that I feel we as a program do on a regular basis.
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Some people, and I noticed this online this morning, there are people, well, you’re being critical, you’re being divisive, you’re not being unifying. It’s like, no, no, no, no. Calling out division is not division.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, it’s calling it out so you can now have unity.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. You can’t ask people to be silent in the face of bad things. No. Of bad things being done.
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So we’re going to go through a few people. And if those of you listening want to add to that by calling in or texting, you’re more than welcome to do that. You might have your own list, the good, the bad, the ugly. And here’s why I say this is because I get a lot of things sent to me. And I know Andy does as well on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. I mean, things that get sent to me of the text line, things that get sent to me via email, things that get sent to me during, you know, through social media on the Facebook end of things. And there’s times where somebody will send me something and I’ll look at it and I’ll watch it and I’ll be great info. Glad I, I didn’t know that. I’m going to absorb that. Thank you for sending that. I can tell by looking that that’s some great information. There’s other times where I’ll have people send me things, and I’m just like, wait a minute. This is from Alex Jones, for example. I’ll pick on him to begin with because, by the way, I think he’s the worst of the ugly or the bad.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know which category to plug him into. On the right, he’s pretty much the furthest out.
SPEAKER 10 :
He is a wackadoodle. I’m sorry to say, but he is a total wackadoodle.
SPEAKER 03 :
But, John, even if it’s someone you don’t know, because you do know Alex Jones. Let’s say it’s somebody you don’t know. A lot of times you can get something and you’re just instantly feeling, that’s sketchy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. I’ll look at the article and I’ll read through it a little bit and I’ll think, okay, wait a minute. First of all, there’s a lot of… of hyperbole in this particular article whereby I can see this is designed. It is by design to get that person more views, more likes, more clicks, more whatever. And when I see that instantaneously, it doesn’t always mean that it’s bad, but when I initially see that, the first thing that happens is my radar goes up and I’m like, okay, where’s the real story here? Right. Because what’s happening is this is to make money. Not to give you good information. Yeah, they’re trying to get clicks. Yeah, and I’ve explained that many times, but for those of you who may be listening for the first time, because this isn’t really well known in social media land. Some know this, but not everybody does. Believe it or not, there are people out there. That literally are only on a couple of platforms, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, maybe all three, maybe one. There are people out there, and I’m not exaggerating, that can make millions of dollars a year through their views, clicks, likes, shares, and what have you. And it’s a lot bigger dollar figure than I think anybody understands until you get into that world.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, because it’s really good advertising. Advertisers are going to advertise on your videos.
SPEAKER 10 :
By the way, this is the platform that does this automatically. The influencer is doing nothing along. They’re not picking and choosing the type of ads you get to see. That’s coming naturally through the platform that knows, okay, Andy Pate is out there, and Andy has 10 million followers. By the way, I’m not exaggerating when I say that. There are influencers out there that have that many. Right. And I’ll just tell you right now, if Andy had 10 million followers, he wouldn’t be on Rush to Reason because he’d be making several million dollars, if not more, a year.
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Yeah.
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One person we’re going to be talking about is Megyn Kelly. She’s huge. Oh, made a fortune. She’s making as much money now. And I’m not exaggerating. She is most likely making as much money now as an influencer on social media as she was for Fox. I believe it’s more. She probably is, Andy, because it’s that large. And a lot of us on the right, by the way, I don’t think really understand the power of the influencer sides of things and how much actual real greenback dollars are there for these people. It’s huge.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, let’s talk about some of them and why they’re good and why they’re not. Shall we?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, sorry, I had to take a drink there. So yes, absolutely.
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Sorry about that. So let’s do this.
SPEAKER 10 :
I set that up because I want you guys all to understand, number one, how… So what’s at stake? I guess what I’m trying to say, what’s at stake on the social media, especially end of things? But it’s true even on the network. We’re learning that with what the left is doing in regards to some of the late night shows going away, by the way.
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Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I mean, let’s face it. Ad revenue was down like 50% for Colbert. Correct. That’s just the way it goes. And they had to get rid of him. They were losing $40 million a year. It had nothing to do with, oh, gee, he’s too liberal. They didn’t care. It was money.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. And by the way, this is why I think in his contracts also coming up that he might actually survive Jimmy Fallon, who, by the way, has some of the worst ratings of all of them right now. But. but has a very large social media following that depending upon how that revenue is working and whether or not, is it NBC? Is Fallon NBC? Charlie, I always get this wrong. So it depends on how NBC has that structured. And if they’re getting a cut of what’s going on on the social media aspect, if they are, that’s probably saving grace for Fallon.
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Let me make a request. Does that make sense? Oh, yes, yes, absolutely. When we come back from the break, we’ll talk about some of these names. But also, if people want to call in, let us know some of your favorites or ones you don’t like.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Hour 2. Myself, Andy Pate. Marty, you’re up. Go ahead, sir.
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Well, so good, guys. I think one way you gauge the impact, the quality of the podcast, the show, is does it have relevant information in the current, in the now, that can benefit your decision-making, expand your thinking, and perhaps take you to a new level of wisdom or correct, I guess, a lie, right? So history, there’s some great podcasts on history and Those are great. I need the stuff now. For example, like you’ve done, John, live, you know, during COVID. Here’s the dangers of the COVID shot.
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Right.
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Those are the kind of shows I respect because you saved lives. You made impact. Right. Thanks. You have to, though, right now, apply it to our standard of. imminent threat, which the imminent threat to America is really not a foreign thing. It’s the actors within and the lies that we’re being told what shows are exposing and bringing to light things that must be investigated. That’s how I gauge as a preface. So, of course, Candace Owens. Of course, Tucker Carlson.
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No, time out, time out. I’ve got to back up. Hang on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I just wanted to compliment something before we get into the names. Really quick here, Marty. I totally agree. One thing that is really, really good is things that are prescient, that are in the moment now. And you can tell by the sales. When you look at the voices that are the biggest out there, they’re the ones who are talking about the now, the now, the now, not the history, the history, the history. I agree. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Now, but I got to challenge you because Candace, she jumped the shark. She’s off the deep end. Sorry. I wouldn’t listen to a thing she says.
SPEAKER 08 :
Now, in regard to what topic?
SPEAKER 10 :
It goes back to what we were talking about in the first hour in regards to Revenge, Marty. She has become so fixated on the French and their leadership, which frankly have nothing, zero zilch to do with what we have going on here in America. She is so fixated on Macron that— And his whatever she thinks transgender wife husband is that she’s jumped off the deep end.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And so that would be something that is not very marketable.
SPEAKER 10 :
And well, not only that, but Marty, here’s how I look at people like her when they get to that stage, when she’s when she’s become so clouded by one individual topic. How can I trust her on anything else?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, but so but are you saying she’s wrong that that’s a woman? Are you questioning that her reporting?
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m saying that what she is fixated on in regards to Macron and his husband, wife, whatever she is, I don’t. And frankly, Marty, here’s the issue. I don’t care because at the end of the day, what does it change for you and I as Americans?
SPEAKER 08 :
Kind of fair, but in the sense of Macron being a global, powerful leader. But he’s not.
SPEAKER 10 :
No offense, Marty. He’s French. He’s not. Sorry, there is nothing there that is global at all with him.
SPEAKER 08 :
But he’s coming to the White House. He’s part of the nation. So are a lot of nations.
SPEAKER 10 :
So does Xi. So does Kim Jong-un. So do other madmen. Who cares?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and a lot of them have a lot more power. I mean, I’m sorry, but France is simply not that powerful.
SPEAKER 08 :
set that issue aside then because you know what you’re right she’s hung up on that because so she put she put out a post marty just this week talking about it again she did an entire documentary on it i mean the reality is it doesn’t matter i bet you if he took a knee and said you know what fine it’s a lie we want to live free and i think she would move on but anyway set that aside though because here’s what’s pressing Think about the other shows we mentioned, and I think Tucker’s the one that really gets under your skin the most in the moment, John.
SPEAKER 10 :
I just think Tucker gets fixated on things that he doesn’t need to be personally.
SPEAKER 08 :
But I’ll tell you right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
He has a great delivery. I love his stuff. Yeah, Marty, really quick. I’ll give credit always where credit is due. Tucker, as far as a quote-unquote host, performer, whatever you want to call him, probably one of the best in the industry, one of the best deliveries that has probably been out there. He and Glenn Beck, by the way, as far as their delivery is concerned, probably two of the best quote-unquote hosts out there. My problem, Marty, with Tucker is, again, he gets off on tangents that don’t matter.
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Here’s a big problem for me really quick, Marty. And this is true with any of them. If you get a fixation on something and it makes you wrong, that’s a problem. And so Tucker was looking at, you know, Trump bombing Iran and acting like it was going to be World War Three. And the fact is he was wrong. It actually worked. It worked. It worked well. And now we have a great ceasefire going and hopefully more after that. You know, his fixation on Israel, he was speaking at Turning Point in the last week, and his fixation on Israel kept coming through and coming through. Look, I think he is brilliant. I think he’s got a fantastic delivery.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, he’s not.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, I do. He’s not.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, and here’s another reason why.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think he’s a highly intelligent guy.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, he’s not. Here’s another reason why I’ll tell you why he’s not, Marty.
SPEAKER 03 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
His fixation on aliens, which, by the way, isn’t even close to being scriptural.
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s a wackadoodle, Marty. Tucker Carlson is a wackadoodle.
SPEAKER 03 :
That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a good brain.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s a wackadoodle.
SPEAKER 08 :
Guys, do this. But guys, don’t get too fixated on Tucker Carlson as the holder of the information. What he’s doing in this great platform is he’s lifting up these voices, these experts that can’t really be challenged in their area of expertise. At least we’re hearing an angle on the subject for some of the first times. Well, he’s doing more than that. He’s advocating.
SPEAKER 10 :
But really quick, Marty. Unfortunately, though, and this is where people like me that I feel are very rational, upright. I try to bring the best information I possibly can to my audience. And when I see Tucker go off on some of these tangents with Israel and aliens and some of the nonsense he gets into, he discredits himself everywhere else, unfortunately. And that’s what happens in that world. And that’s what these guys don’t understand, Marty. That’s what the Tuckers of the world don’t understand.
SPEAKER 08 :
The world is under delusion, though, and so many of these right now are under delusion.
SPEAKER 10 :
But Marty, so is Tucker. When you go off the deep end talking about aliens and all sorts of weird nonsense that is utter nonsense, you discredit yourself.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I agree, John. That’s why I talk about you’ve got to know the right answer on a certain number of criteria for me to take you seriously. What I would say, though, you can’t you can’t. override some personal comment of Tucker’s within a great interview.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, and Marty, I’ve said this even about Alex Jones. A blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again, including the Alex Jones of the world. So yes, there can be things that they come out with that are very true and credible. The problem is… What happens for the majority of people that don’t know good, bad, and otherwise when it comes to some of these hosts is they start discrediting themselves so much that the majority of people outside of maybe you, I, and Andy won’t listen to them because of that. And by the way, I think Fox News knew that about Tucker Carlson. That’s why he’s no longer there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Maybe fair or touching on the fringe areas, which is the areas that we want to talk about, should be talking about. Fox News, they’d love to. They just can’t talk about it. You know what?
SPEAKER 10 :
That one I will agree with you wholeheartedly, Marty, on that. Yes, there are certain… certain networks even to where some of that they’re just not going to be able to get into because they are talking to the masses and they know that their market share. It’s like, Marty, let me give you a car example. So for years and years and years, I owned off-road stores. We did all sorts of, you know. upgrades we did suspension upgrades performance upgrades all sorts of things it would take a vehicle from being something mass produced that everybody out there driving could own and buy and we and we narrowed it all the way down to just a particular person that wanted the vehicle done that way and the problem is the dealership world even though sometimes you know the The manufacturer is now getting into that world, oddly enough. But the reality is most vehicles are made for a mass market, whereby I was making that vehicle for a very small market. And in Fox’s case, they know they’ve got to be relevant for the mass market or they can’t stay in business.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s totally fair. And I guess what we need is we’re looking for these platforms to bring these suppressed topics that are very important to the light. And then people just begin to make different decisions because you’re not being fed Fox News. You’re also in the back of your mind. Now, what are they saying about the COVID shot?
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, but Marty, Marty, wait a minute. Question, question, question, Marty. Are aliens important? Are they impacting our lives day to day? What impact on our lives are aliens having? Because he fixates on them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not really in the sense that they’re spiritual beings. I guess the bigger issue would be the government lie behind it is irritating, annoying, and leads you to think they’re lying about other things. I guess that’s the importance.
SPEAKER 10 :
And really quick, though, this is the question that I’ve got along, given we’re talking about that topic. What is government lying about in regards to aliens? Because I don’t believe they exist. So what are they lying about?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I think you’re right. They like to create boogeyman and then sort of protect the technologies and things that probably are known to them, but that revealed to the masses in their true form, are not going to have the same impact. Because I believe that aliens are supernatural, you know, spiritual beings that can do sort of things like this. Yeah, and I’m more along the lines of you, Marty.
SPEAKER 10 :
If aliens actually exist, I look at them more of the demonic and that end of things.
SPEAKER 08 :
And philics.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I don’t think that they’re from some other planet, nor to Andy’s point, are they here harming us and doing detrimental damage to the U.S. and so on. Now, what does the government know and what have they suppressed along those lines? I kind of go back to Andy’s point of view. What difference does it make at the end of the day?
SPEAKER 08 :
Here’s my question. What would… It’d be an admission of a supernatural world, though, and the government does not… And they’re never going to admit that one, Marty.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s another one where it’s like, yeah, as much as it would be great for them to do that, they’re never going to do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t think… You see, and here’s the thing. I don’t care either way. I wonder what Tucker would think of Jewish aliens. He probably wouldn’t like them.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I…
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and again, Marty, where I go with some of this, and this is where even on my show, I get requests, by the way, for certain individuals to be interviewed that are way off in some of the things that you and I are talking about. And the reality is I’m not bringing them on air because at the end of the day, I’m not benefiting a single listener by doing so. And I’m not Arbel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Stimulating thought that has benefit, underlying benefit. So when you bring the COVID-19 conversation to the masses, like the podcast world did, so find areas of impact on society. And I do think the Jewish lie, the Israel delusion. That is of value to bring to light, but you don’t pick every topic to bring to light. What’s going to save people’s lives and improve society, that’s all we’re looking for.
SPEAKER 10 :
Whether I’m right or wrong, I can be— Well, and going back, even Marty yesterday to talking about what I feel is a huge topic right now, and that is trying to expose as much of what Obama and his cronies did in regards to the Russian collusion. Yeah, I look at that as being a huge topic that— Is Obama ever going to go to jail? I said yesterday, yeah, no, that’s not going to happen. Don’t even think that way. But to Andy’s point a moment ago, can we expose a bunch of underlings in this and at least bring light to that middle-of-the-road voter that can say, oh, wow, I guess these guys on the right weren’t so wrong after all? Bingo. That’s it, John.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, guys, this was a fantastic segment. Thank you, Marty. Keep it up. Appreciate you. We’ll do it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Talk soon. Thank you, man. Appreciate you. And again, Andy, would I not ever watch – Tucker, I’ll watch expert excerpts of him from time to time. Am I going to dedicate time to watching Tucker? No, because he’s too far out there on too many things.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, on a couple things in particular, he is. And a lot of that’s recent. Tucker, I think, is incredibly gifted.
SPEAKER 10 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
So you and I, we disagree on his intelligence.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree that he’s gifted, but I don’t agree that he’s super intelligent.
SPEAKER 03 :
The thing is that I don’t believe intelligence protects you from going off the deep end on a topic or two. I don’t think it does. I think some very brilliant people. Carl Sagan’s a brilliant person, but I disagree with Carl Sagan. Let me say it this way.
SPEAKER 10 :
He might be really intelligent, but has no discernment.
SPEAKER 03 :
In some areas, no.
SPEAKER 10 :
Is that a good way to say that then?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, it is. And, John, I think it gets back to what you were talking about at the end of the last hour. I think you were so right. When you have set aside vengeance and just think of the word anger, okay? Anger is a drug. I’ve been angry, and it was like being hooked. You’re right.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you’re right, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ve been vengeful. It’s like being hooked. This thing, when you are vengeful, when you have anger towards someone and vengeance towards someone, you will fixate on them unnaturally, and then you can start to believe things about them that aren’t true.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ll give you another example, and you brought her up earlier.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it doesn’t matter if you’re intelligent.
SPEAKER 10 :
Go ahead. You just are segwaying perfectly because you brought her up earlier, Megyn Kelly, who at one time— Right. Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
When she broke free of that, and this doesn’t mean that she’s a yes man for Trump. No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. But she unleashed her great intelligence. Megyn Kelly, in my opinion, okay, if you go back over the last 20, 30 years on TV, might have been the single most gifted interviewer.
SPEAKER 10 :
Agree. On TV. I won’t deny that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely magnificent. I mean, because not only was she smooth, but she could ask questions in such a way that was so piercing and get right to it. And she would cut around things and do it so skillfully. It was breathtaking. Look, a lot of that went away once she got really infuriated with Trump.
SPEAKER 10 :
Fixated on him.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he provoked it. Let’s be honest. He did. You know, he was being Trump. He did. She took it that way.
SPEAKER 09 :
She took the bait.
SPEAKER 03 :
But she let it get to her.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s right. She took the bait.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. So she let it get to her. And you know what it did? It crushed her skill for a while.
SPEAKER 10 :
And it cost her a fortune.
SPEAKER 03 :
But she set herself free with forgiveness. And now look at her. She’s magnificent.
SPEAKER 10 :
And there’s very few things. She’s one of those that I do follow. I do watch. I watch even her short segments that she puts out on social media. And there’s rarely, we’re not 100% in agreement.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, me either.
SPEAKER 10 :
There are a few things that her and I all say, yeah, okay, whatever. Great, Megan. But yeah, no, I wouldn’t go down that path if I were you. And I’m not believing in what you’re believing in right now. And I wouldn’t repeat what you just said. But you know what? That’s fine. We can all, you know, at times agree to disagree. And that’s okay. Because by and large, Andy, that’s probably only 5% of the time. Right. With her. There’s not that many things her and I would disagree on. The majority of things that, and by the way, when it comes to Candace Owen, her and I are 100% in agreement because she’ll tell you the exact same thing about Candace I just told Marty. Her fixation on France for whatever reason, and I have no idea where that’s come from with Candace. That is weird. And here’s what’s going to happen. with candace very talented lady she should actually talk to uh she should actually talk to megan kelly because megan almost let it ruin her career and luckily she was able to turn it around if candace isn’t careful in the next 12 months she will be non-existent well and her thoughts on israel have not been no between those two things she’s going to ruin her career yeah i’m sorry to say and i before now i love candace what is all the hate for israel with some of these folks because they get in with the wrong crowds has said some things that were just shocking They get in with the wrong crowds. Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yeah, they start getting this gobbledygook, I guess, that is poured into their ears one way or the other, and they start believing certain things. And I don’t know why, Andy. And, you know, I’d be the first to say, is Israel perfect? No. Of course not. Absolutely not. Is any country perfect? Of course not. No, they’re not perfect. But do I believe the same thing that Candace does about Israel? Do I believe the same thing that Tucker Carlson does about Israel? Absolutely not.
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SPEAKER 03 :
No.
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SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, John, I want to ask you, what are some of the names where you see it’s them and you immediately have a lot more trust in their point of view just because they have earned that trust? Let me give you a couple examples. Ben Shapiro.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I like Ben. He’s off on a few things he and I don’t always agree on, even economically and so on. But all in all, pretty straight-up guy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I disagree with him on tariffs. I think he goes too far that way. I would agree with you. None of these do I agree 100%. But I’m going to give you a few that I have come to really agree with a lot. Charlie Kirk. Yeah, I disagree with. Now, I think Charlie’s a little off on Israel. But guess what? I think Charlie Kirk’s I have a lot of trust for him. Here’s one who I didn’t trust for a number of years because I thought he messed over the Republican Party. Now I trust a lot. Glenn Beck.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree, because he went off the deep end for a while. He’s a lot like – who were we just talking about? Sorry, I just lost her name. Why can’t I think of it? Candace Owens? No, the other one.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, Megyn Kelly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Megyn.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re right. That’s a great example.
SPEAKER 10 :
Megyn was the same way, because she was the same way. She was anti-Trump, anti-Trump. I mean, every single thing she said had something to do about Trump until she put all that past her, and then she came back. It’s like, okay, I can listen to her all day long now.
SPEAKER 03 :
There was a series of years there for Glenn Beck when he was basically saying the two parties are almost equally evil. And it’s just like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. And he caused a lot of damage. What came out of that is I saw people quoting him all over the Internet and at meetings at a Tea Party meetings and places like that. Instantly, they had way more distrust for the Republican Party than they needed to. And it damaged us. And suddenly they were all talking about third party, third party, third party. And I’m like, guys, that’s great, but you’re not being strategic. Here’s why they wouldn’t listen. It was damaging. Well, nowadays he doesn’t talk that way at all. He is vote Republican. He learned.
SPEAKER 10 :
Now, some others on this list where, again, I used to have a lot of respect. Don’t as much anymore. One of those, by the way, happens to be I mentioned Candace Owens earlier, but Stephen Crowder. He was a guy that for the longest time I followed thought he was dead on, thought he was spot on on most things and so on. He’s another one that, like Candace, he kind of jumped the shark.
SPEAKER 03 :
He can be a little reckless.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and I think sometimes this is my take on him and her especially because they kind of hung out and did some things together, by the way, for a while. And I will tell you that I think what happens with some of them is they get too big for their britches. Sorry to sound like a redneck, but they get too big for their britches. They feel like, well, wait a minute, I’ve now got a little bit of fame. I’ve got some stardom. I’ve got all this influence. I’ve got a little money coming in now. And in a lot of ways, that goes to their head. And I think that’s exactly what happened with both Candace and Steven.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, she was a rocket ship.
SPEAKER 10 :
So in a lot of ways, he was too.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, because he brought an element of humor, which really helped. But then, yeah, you know what? He just started jumping. Now, here’s a guy.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m going to read you one where I feel like, for the most part, he’s spot on. There are times where, like Shapiro, where he and I will not agree. And I don’t always like his style, and I think there’s times he’s very wrong in his style. But Matt Walsh, I think for the most part, Matt’s pretty straight on. I don’t think he does things just for clicks. I don’t always agree with everything he says because sometimes he gets off on some tangents that I just frankly don’t agree with going down that path. But all in all, he’s a guy that if he says something, I’ll at least read it twice to see where’s your head at, Matt? Where are you coming from here?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. His what is a woman stuff was a revelation. Spot on.
SPEAKER 10 :
Spot on. Nothing wrong there at all.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, not just nothing wrong. It was a revelation.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. No, he went right down the path of what needed to be done there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, let’s look at some nighttime hosts, okay? Laura Ingram.
SPEAKER 10 :
Again, I would say 95% of the time I’m right in line with her. There’s a few times where she’ll say some things or do some things where it’s like, yeah, I’m not going down that path or I’m not all in. But for the most part, pretty tight, yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, she seems pretty careful.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Honestly, and very talented.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, we’ve got to go to the big one nowadays, Jessie Waters.
SPEAKER 10 :
I like Jesse. I do, too. Actually. And I think Jesse was a cheerleader. He’s a cheerleader. But I think he was around enough individuals, i.e. Tucker Carlson, who we were talking about earlier, Bill O’Reilly, some of the others. And I think he’s been around enough to see, OK, wait a minute. Here’s what these guys did really well. And this is what hurt them. And I think he’s a really bright, smart young man that said, OK, I’m going to do the things that really work. And I’m staying away from all this other nonsense. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And, you know, I’ll be honest. I’m just going to say it. He’s not as talented as them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, no, not even. But he’s smarter in that respect.
SPEAKER 03 :
Jesse Waters is not as talented as Tucker. He’s not as talented as Bill. And he came after them. Now, Bill O’Reilly, if you want to have somebody with an absolutely beautiful delivery. His is gorgeous. But I totally disagreed with him on oil and gas.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep. Green energy. Yep. Yep. We talked about Glenn Beck. Mark Levin is another one where I think Mark, for the most part— He’s funny. He’s funny, and he’s a guy now that I will say, unfortunately, while I will agree with Laura Ingraham 95% of the time, I’m only going to agree with Mark probably 80% of the time. Mark is too—he can get very conspiratorial at times and go down some rabbit holes where it’s like, yeah, Mark, I’m not going there with you. Am I right?
SPEAKER 03 :
You are right. But, you know, I do love his defense of Israel. Of course, he and Ben Shapiro have been absolutely brilliant in defending Israel against some people on the right who don’t like Israel. And they have picked them apart. These were blowouts, in my opinion, in watching the debates. You know, you see somebody like Ted Cruz try to debate on it. He’s not nearly as good. Those guys, they’re killer. Okay, what about… Sean Hannity now I just got to say right now if I may I don’t like his delivery that much anymore. It’s gotten too, I don’t know, just repetitive. It’s the same. You know what he is? He’s a jackhammer. It’s just a jackhammer over and over and over. However, the guy is rarely wrong. I agree. I mean, in fact, if you’re talking about somebody who’s going to predict elections, somebody who’s going to predict a lot of things, oh, man, does he have a good track record.
SPEAKER 10 :
And I had mentioned that during the break. You guys all didn’t hear this, but one of the tests— that I use for a lot of these individuals that we’re talking about, and I try to get you guys to do the same. In fact, I’ll even respond sometimes to you guys that send me different things in this way, is how often are they right versus how often are they wrong? In other words, if it’s all clickbait and it’s all hyper nonsense where they’re just trying to get you to view the things they put out and they’re wrong the majority of the time, I won’t listen to anything they say. Even if it’s right, I’m not listening.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, one last one. Super talent. Let’s be honest. Greg Gutfeld.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, he’s funny, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, he’s very funny. He’s irreverent. He’s very funny. He’s the new kind of funny that America loves because America is sick of politically correct. But you know what? Set that aside for a moment.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s also pretty accurate on everything he says. The problem with him is because it’s more comedy, I tend to not take him at face value for a lot of political views, but even though he’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
His opinions, and this is going to sound self-aggrandizing here, but his opinions almost entirely agree with this show.
SPEAKER 10 :
From what I have seen. No, when you say that, he’s not one that I would have put at the top of the list because it’s more comedy than anything else. But his whole show is a lot like what we do.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and by the way, these people who are going to be let go on these late-night shows, one person they can blame, Greg Gutfeld.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, because he’s taking viewers away from them. He’s blowing them away. Absolutely. John, hang tight. We’ll come right back and take your call. Let’s listen to an interview that we have from Al Smith here, Golden Eagle Financial, and we’ll be right back. Al Smith, Golden Eagle Financial. Find him at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 19 :
TJ here with KLZ Radio, and I’ve got Al Smith with me once again. How are you, Al? I’m doing great. How are you, TJ? Doing pretty good. We’ve been talking about retirement and all that kind of stuff, and I was just curious, what do you usually talk about with the folks that come in for retirement planning? What does that mean?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, if somebody’s close to that transition where they’re thinking about their 401k and where do you want to allocate that, where’s the best place to have that invested? And some people who were fortunate enough to have a pension will have a conversation about that, especially if it comes to selecting a survivorship option.
SPEAKER 19 :
And how does that fit with life insurance and that kind of thing, with pensions and life insurance?
SPEAKER 15 :
If someone takes a big reduction in their pension, that’s what they need to do in order to have a spouse collect part of their pension should they pass on. But that reduction in their pension will only benefit them if the primary worker dies before the spouse. Sometimes people choose life insurance instead. which may not provide quite as much financial benefit, but there’s a certainty that the money will stay in their family.
SPEAKER 19 :
And is that always a good idea to do, or how do you help folks make that decision?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, it’s kind of a long conversation to some degree, because if someone has health concerns, then selecting that survivorship option is always a good idea, because it makes it much more likely that your spouse will collect that survivor benefit. On the other hand, sometimes the other spouse may be anticipating an inheritance.
SPEAKER 19 :
That is amazing and complicated, and that’s why I lean on you to learn all about the retirement process. Al, thanks so much for joining us today. Well, you’re welcome. Tell folks how to get in touch with you.
SPEAKER 15 :
You can reach me at my office, 303-744-1128. If you get voicemail, I return those very quickly.
SPEAKER 06 :
Listen online. KLZradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right, we are back, and somebody said Hannity repeats himself like Andy said way too much. He’s right, but he is unlistenable at times. Thank you for that, by the way. John and Cheyenne, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, can I jump back to the first segment of the first hour real quick?
SPEAKER 10 :
Sure, sure.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, you didn’t listen to Black Sabbath and Ozzy because you weren’t allowed because it was devil music.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, if you played it backwards, didn’t he – what was the thing that he – Well, that’s when it made sense. What was it back in the day, Charlie? If you played it backward, it was you’re going to hell. I don’t remember. But, yeah, we know we weren’t allowed to listen.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, John, remember you were talking about how he always mumbles. It’s not that way backwards. But, anyway, go ahead, John.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, gotcha.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I just wanted to say that because I was laughing because, you know, it’s the devil music, if you remember, from the early to mid-70s. You couldn’t listen to that music.
SPEAKER 10 :
Really quick, I got another text message in this one. By the way, I agree wholeheartedly. I was going to add this to my list. I haven’t gotten that far yet. But Benny Johnson, who is actually on X and does a lot of things politically speaking, and at times I can agree with, but the majority of the time anymore, he is dead wrong, and he’s another guy that I just won’t follow anymore.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t know him well. I lost all respect for Hannity. I think he’s a blowhard. That’s my opinion. But what he did by dumping his wife, the way he did after she stood by her as he made his career, and he talks about Christian values, and that’s not Christian values. I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 03 :
I got no respect. But who decided to divorce who? I don’t even know.
SPEAKER 07 :
Either way. You’re not supposed to… all right, the book says you’re not supposed to do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, no, I understand. I just don’t know if she left him. I mean, legally, there’s nothing you can do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Me personally, all of that being set aside, because that’s on the personal side, which in some cases I will add into the equation. In most cases, I don’t. I’m just not his biggest fan, period. I don’t know. It’s just something about the guy just rubs me wrong.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, if you listen to him interview people, He has a guest on, say, for a 15-minute block.
SPEAKER 11 :
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER 07 :
And out of that 15 minutes, he lets the guest say, like, two words. Right, he talks two-thirds of the time. And he just blathers over them. Exactly.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that’s one of the worst things. The other thing is I don’t watch a lot of long-form anything anymore because usually if you’re scanning YouTube, you can catch the highlight, say, like a Megyn Kelly show.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
She’ll do an hour podcast. But you’ll have seven minutes worth of really good stuff and a lot of stuff that you’re like, really? So I’ve been watching that a lot. But one of the ones that I think you brought him up was Rogan. I think Rogan has changed the game totally when it comes to the podcast.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, absolutely. He has set the stage, if you would, for what a lot of others would like to do in making money with podcasts and songs. There’s a ton of podcasters that make absolutely zero money doing what they do. He’s one of the few that has actually done very well and has really set the bar.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and the thing that’s really surprising is that he does it in the middle, whereas everybody else does it on one side or the other. For the most part.
SPEAKER 10 :
And he’s becoming more and more on the right, though.
SPEAKER 03 :
A little bit, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Is he going right, or is he just realizing that what’s far left is lunacy?
SPEAKER 10 :
I think it’s both, but he interviewed Newsom, gave him a gun. By the way, I think this was all a setup and on purpose. Gave him a gun as a gift, and Newsom, after realizing how much trouble it would be to actually get that back into California, had to give it back. I think Joe was basically sending a signal to Gavin that, yeah, this is how bad your state sucks.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I like Joe just because – but again, a lot of times you can catch the best parts of his show on YouTube clips and stuff.
SPEAKER 10 :
Actually, I do TikTok for that reason alone, John, because you can follow guys like him and Megan, and not only is it – no offense, you’re watching seven minutes. I’m watching two and a half or three getting the same content. I’m watching it in half the time.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, right, right. And then what you said about Gutfeld, he – His show changed what they’re calling late night now. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, he has.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. Well, really quick, John, and I think Andy would agree. What I think Gutfeld did was bring back to late night TV what everybody lost with Johnny Carson.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, or I’ll even go as far as Leno always had some really good stuff. Yeah. Johnny Leno. Letterman was funny in his earlier days.
SPEAKER 03 :
Too liberal, though. You know what Gutfeld, guys, you know what he reminds me of? Is Rush Limbaugh. And you’re thinking, what? Rush Limbaugh filled a gaping hole in the market. Yeah. When he came along. Oh, yeah, absolutely. There was no. He created conservative radio the way it is today. Correct. And he was also, by the way, I think still the most brilliant in the way he delivered. No, absolutely.
SPEAKER 01 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. His delivery is the greatest I’ve ever seen. But Gutfeld came along at a time when there was no late night quality conservative. In other words, you had this whole world of things you could poke fun at that nobody was. Right. And so he had all this content that he could jump right into that nobody else did. So he jumped right in.
SPEAKER 10 :
Not borrowing it from anybody. He had his own.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, it was wide open. He was the only one swimming in that pool. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
And then the guests he gets on, he’ll bring some left of center, not uber left, but left of center guests to get that opinion. He’s not afraid of it. That’s part of the problem on the left, like, say, a Rachel Maddow or one of those lunatics over there. They won’t bring on anybody else that doesn’t agree with them. Or they’ll freak if they do. Yeah, or when they do, they’ll cut the guy’s mic off or something. Yeah, interesting. John, I think you’ve done that once since I’ve been listening to you to a guest where you had them cut off.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, not very often. I mean, normally, and for all of you listening, I will interview, sometimes I get criticism from you all because I’m interviewing somebody that’s very liberal, but I do that to, again, bring some folks in and get some different… opinions and so on and i will typically let those people you know speak their mind and so on i don’t always agree and i’ll even say that afterwards but i’m also i try to john at least be very respectful to the guests knowing that they’ve given us their time to be here and i’m not going to sit here and just argue with them yeah but you know you know who does this really well and really well on the left everything john in cheyenne that you’re talking about with gutfeld somebody who does it really well on the left is bill maher
SPEAKER 03 :
He will bring on people on the right. And by the way, he’ll disagree with them even fervently, but he respects you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Yeah. I remember watching Cruz on there with Ted Cruz. Yeah. And he gave him, you know, he didn’t cut him off. He gave him a choice. You know, he let him speak his mind. And that’s all you want going back. But the other thing about Hannity, Hannity owes every dime he made to Rush Limbaugh. because Rush let him guest host. Then when he got his own show, how many networks out there had Rush and then Hannity? So a lot of people listening to Rush would just then leave on the radio a lot of times. I can’t deal with the guy anymore.
SPEAKER 09 :
Same distributor Charlie said is why that is. But yeah, you’re very right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but how many… I can’t deal with them. It’s just one of those things. As for Levin… He could be hilarious at times, and then other times, like you said, John, sometimes he just gets on a subject, and you’re just like, all right, Mark, enough, and you’ve got to just go to something else on the radio. Absolutely. But you were saying about Ben Shapiro, I’ve got a problem with what he called the Lord. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard his description of Jesus.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, he’s a hardcore Jew, so he’s going to have a totally different opinion of that than you and I do.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, he said he was just another crazy troublemaker that the Romans took it— Yeah, because, again, he is a hardcore Jew, John, and does not look at him the same way you and I do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that doesn’t surprise me.
SPEAKER 07 :
But not having any respect, though, for billions of people who don’t believe what he does— Yeah, keep in mind, some of that with him is shock value also, so don’t give him too much credit there. Yeah, and that’s the other thing. I am glad I am not back east anymore because, as you guys were talking about, the shock jock.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re gone pretty much.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, Howard Stern, you’ve got to have XM to listen to him. You’re right. You’re right. Who wants? Yep. So, guys, have a great day.
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Back to Rush to Reason. All right, in closing, my biggest issue with a lot of the folks that are on these lists, especially the ones that I really struggle with at times and how they view certain things like tariffs and the like. They’ve never ran a business. They’ve never wrote a payroll check. They have no idea how that side of the world works. That, in my opinion, is the biggest problem a lot of these folk have.
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They talk about the real world. They haven’t been there.
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But they never lived in it. All right, we’ll be back. Another full hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
The Good, the Bad, and the Wackadoodles
John Rush and Andy Peth dive into the world of media personalities and political influencers in this lively and fiery discussion about who’s worth listening to—and who’s gone completely off the rails. From Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens to Megyn Kelly and Sean Hannity, the guys break down the good, the bad, and the ugly of conservative media voices. They discuss how fixation, clickbait, and ego can damage credibility—and why discernment matters now more than ever. It’s unfiltered, honest, and loaded with insight on who’s helping the cause… and who’s just helping themselves.
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