Jeremy Portnoy from Open the Books joins John Rush to mark the one-year anniversary of the passing of founder Adam Andrzejewski—a tireless advocate for government transparency and accountability. The conversation honors Adam’s legacy and introduces the new Adam Andrzejewski Memorial Scholarship, a $25,000 award for high school juniors, seniors, or college students who demonstrate leadership and commitment to fiscal transparency.
Jeremy explains the mission behind the scholarship, how students can apply through a 500-word essay, and how the public can support the initiative by helping raise $100,000 to sustain the award for years to come.
Later in the episode, John takes
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All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Jeremy Portnoy joining us now. Jeremy, welcome. How are you today?
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I’m doing great. How are you, John?
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Always a joy. Open the Books is where Jeremy is from. We have you on on a pretty routine basis, and we used to have your past founder on, or your founder, who has now passed. This is why you’re here today is talking about his memorial scholarship. That’s Adam Angioski, and I knew Adam for a long time. Again, we had him on our program for, I don’t know how many years, Jeremy, but quite some time. So talk about this particular scholarship.
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Yeah, Adam was a regular on plenty of amazing radio shows like your own. Today, yesterday actually marks one year since his passing last summer. So we’re announcing a $25,000 scholarship in his honor, the Adam Mangieski Memorial Scholarship that Open the Book is going to be awarding to either a high school junior or senior or a current college student. We’re looking for someone that’s going to be carrying on Adam’s legacy. He stood for government transparency, government accountability, and the idea that private citizens could be empowered to change their government. So we’re looking for the next generation that’s going to carry on that mission.
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Yeah, for those of you that maybe don’t know Open the Books, I mean, we’ve had you guys on plenty over the years. We get new listeners that tune in on a pretty routine basis, Jeremy, as I should say. And for those of you listening, and I’m not exaggerating when I say this, Open the Books was really kind of the original Doge, if you would. They were uncovering a lot of things like Doge was doing previously, maybe not in quite the, you know, highfalutin public fashion that, you know, Elon Musk had attributed to all of what he was doing. But you guys have been doing that dirty work for a long time.
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Right. Our mission, which Adam started, is to post every single dime spent by the government online in real time. That’s the federal government, state government’s and all the local governments all across the country. We file about 500,000 open records requests every single year to get that information online so you can follow where money’s going in your local school district and at the federal level.
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Okay, so this scholarship, which is, again, as you said, juniors, seniors, or even a college student right now, how does it work? How do folks get selected? How do they apply? Walk us through that, if you would.
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Yeah, you can head right to Open the Books to Apply. We’re looking for a 500-word essay showing how applicants have promoted either financial transparency from the government, accountability from the government in the local community, or even at a higher state or federal level. Someone that can show us that they have those qualities of leadership and civic engagement that Adam really embodied. He was In addition to his work promoting transparency, he was a very charismatic person, right? He had the ability to get people fired up about his mission. He believed he himself could change the country for the better, and he made people around him believe the same thing about themselves. So we’re looking for someone who’s going to help carry on that mantle in the future.
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And his legacy continues thanks to you guys, which I appreciate. I was worried a year ago how things were going to move forward. You guys have done a great job just stepping in and doing things. It shows you that he had things set up very well. Now, along these lines, you guys are also looking to raise some money to make sure that this award, this scholarship, can continue on. Talk about that also.
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Right. So this is a $25,000 annual award that we’d like to keep going for a very long time. to keep finding the next generation who can carry on this legacy. So in order to do that, we are hoping to raise $100,000 by this December. So that will carry us for at least the next four years of this award. And if you’d like to support that mission, you can head right to OpenTheBooks.com, click the Donate button on our website. Any contributions, small or large, will go a long way towards keeping this going.
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Yeah, I was just going to say, you guys can do the math, we don’t need one person with $100,000. We need 10 with 10, or we need 100 with even less. I mean, you get the drift here. A lot of people giving a little bit can make that count.
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Right, and we’ve seen in the past year just how many people were affected by Adam’s work. We’ve had a lot of contributions come in, fortunately, that have helped us carry on admission and keep the company, open the books, going just as strong as it ever has. That is awesome. And that’s what we want to keep doing for the future.
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Yeah. And again, folks, these things don’t happen. You know, it’s expensive. All the things that happen, they have to be staffed. You’ve got to put in all these requests and so on. And Jeremy, you know, as well as I, that doesn’t happen for free. We’ve got to have money coming in to make that happen for all of you listening. If you enjoy what you hear, we bring things to light on a pretty routine basis and have been now for a number of years. I mean, again, I can’t I can’t even go back. I have to go back to my notes, even Jeremy, and look back again. how far we’ve had Adam in Open the Books on. It’s been a long time. So for all of you listening, where you hear these different things and some of the things that Open the Books talks about and reveals to people as in, hey, you know this spending is going on here, or do you know what just happened over there? And it’s really crucial. I mean, to me, this is, you know, core accountability, Jeremy, that has to continue.
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I completely agree, and I appreciate the kind words.
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Well, we appreciate you guys and all that you’re doing. And again, it’s the one-year anniversary. And again, this is the Adam Angioski Memorial Scholarship. And again, those of you that can donate to this to allow others to continue on doing what we’re doing here. On top of that, so not only on the giving side, but you might have a student or even a first-year college student right now that might even be able to participate in this, I would also encourage you to go to OpenTheBooks.com and also apply. And Jeremy, again, I appreciate all of what you guys do. I mean that sincerely. Is there anything else you want to add? Anything I missed?
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No, I think you pretty much covered it all. I really appreciate the invitation, John.
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You’re very welcome.
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It’s a scholarship that’s important to the company and important to me personally.
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Well, and me too, as you can tell.
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I appreciate being able to get the word out there.
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I appreciate being a part of this. I mean that sincerely. When they reached out and said, hey, can we talk about this on your program? I’m like, absolutely. Nothing would make me happier than to be involved in that. I appreciate all that you guys have done. So anything I can do to help out, I’m here. Of course. Thanks again, John. You’re very welcome, Jeremy. Again, that’s Jeremy Portnoy, Open the Books, OpenTheBooks.com. Great organization. Again, they were there doing things that Doge has been doing, by the way, but they were doing it long before Doge even came along, and I appreciate all the hard work that those guys have done. Golden Eagle Financial, speaking of finances and all of that, Al Smith, he would love to help you with your financial future, getting to retirement, staying there. He’s got a great interview he did of late. Tune in. We’ll be back right after that. Find Al at klzradio.com.
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TJ with KLZ. And again, I am with Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial. Al, we talk a lot about how relational you are with your clients. Why don’t you take us through what an initial visit might look like, whether that’s in the office or over a Zoom call or whatever that is. What does that look and feel like for one of your clients?
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Well, first we kind of get to know one another a little bit, have a little bit of small talk. And once we move slightly beyond that, I often ask a question, what is your and your spouse’s greatest concerns as you move into toward retirement?
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What do you think people’s main fear is when they come to see you and how do you help to quell that with them?
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Many of the people who come in have been listening to me on the radio for years, and often there is some event that the reason they want to talk to me. Maybe they have concerns about taxes. It may be they’re concerned about the volatility of the stock market. And so by asking them about their concerns, we can zero in specifically on Because usually people have something on the back of their minds as the reason that they came in rather than having a cookie cutter form that I complete for everybody. I try and dive in more specifically to what is an individual or a couple’s primary concern that brought them in the office.
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We love that relational aspect and we love Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial. Al, why don’t you tell folks how to get in touch with you for that meeting?
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Excellent, Al. Thanks for joining us. Of course, you can find Al on klzradio.com slash money. Al, thank you so much.
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This is John Rush. And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And this is something I’ve never really talked about in regards to Adam Angiofsky, which we had – again, we talked quite – I go back and look at my notes. I mean, he was a pretty routine guest here on Rush to Reason over the years for me, I guess, as a host. I think even some of the others that were here on KLZ on Crawford. And I had him scheduled – I got to go back in my notes and look, but it was either the day of or the day after he passed. So a year ago, he was actually scheduled to be on air, and I got a message from his booking agents and the folks that handle all of that, basically saying something to the effect of, you know, he’s not going to be able to be with you, and an emergency has come up, and we will let you know the details later. And it was a really kind of cryptic message. message that you know I was trying to read between the lines and couldn’t really figure anything out and I’m just like okay well you know then I’m sure that I’ll know and it wasn’t but you know just a few days later that they sent me a really lengthy email explaining what had happened and how sorry they were but they were going to continue on with what he had started and Very nice email that I got from his staff and just shows you the legacy that he left behind and the fact that they’re still continuing on the work that he had started, which means he was a good leader in that particular area and things a year later are still moving forward. dies, passes, things don’t go well afterwards. So he had things really dialed in. But we had a good history with Adam, and we will continue on with Open the Books. By the way, we keep having different folks on from there, and we will continue to do that. And a great leader, and did a lot to uncover just grotesque government spending. I don’t know how else to say it, but literally grotesque spending in places that just shouldn’t have been spent. And they did a great job of of uncovering those things. So again, OpenTheBooks.com, great place to go. All right, something I was going to talk about yesterday that I didn’t get a chance to, and I’m going to squeeze this in between now and when Sonny Kutcher joins us here at the bottom of the hour here at 4.30. And I don’t know, I haven’t heard, of course, I don’t listen to much radio or watch tv or anything along those lines and i haven’t seen a whole lot even on the you know on on internet and websites and so on about this and some of you may not even know this is the case if you don’t follow uh some of the social media and some of the sports stuff you may not have seen this but the minnesota vikings the football team so dan if you’re listening dan now has male cheerleaders as a part of the cheerleading squad for the minnesota vikings Now, nothing against guy cheerleaders. If you want to be a guy cheerleader, more power to you. But I’ll just say it straight up. This is weird. NFL cheerleaders, they’re there for one reason, one reason only. And I’m not trying to be sexist here, but it’s eye candy for the fans. I’m sorry, I don’t know how else to say it. And I’m not trying to be rude, but that’s what it is. It’s eye candy for the fans. Dallas Cowboys started all of that with their cheerleaders back in the day. They were the only team for quite some time to actually have cheerleaders. That’s why they’re still one of the most famous cheerleaders. cheerleading squads in probably the world. I don’t think I’m exaggerating, Charlie, when I say that. The Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. In fact, there’s been reality shows. You call it a reality show or a documentary or something along those lines, Charlie. There’s actually a – I think it’s on Netflix now, but there’s actually been – And while there for a while, there was several seasons long of Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders and how they go through and how the girls actually make the team and the stringent rules they have and blah, blah, blah. In fact, there was a lot of criticism over some of that and the fact that a lot of it was, quote, unquote, discriminatory and how they handled things. Well, when you’re the best, they want to keep the team the best. There’s a whole series of shows about that. And I can tell you right now, in that particular series, there’s no way some dude was going to be on the cheerleading squad. Wasn’t going to happen. That was not what the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders set out to do. Again, I’m looking at this, and I’m not a Vikings fan. I don’t live in Minnesota, nor would I ever, because I won’t live that far north. But I would almost say this. If the Denver Broncos decided to do this, would I go to another home game? I’m not sure I would. I’m not sure I would. Not because I’m only there to look at the cheerleaders, but it’s the principle behind it. This is just being woke, in my opinion. This is just allowing dudes onto the field just to prove a point and to be that quote-unquote woke team. That’s how I see this. This has nothing to do with making sure that guys have the same shake that girls do when it comes to cheerleading. This is just feeding the woke crowd is all it is. Now, they have done some things on social media. In fact, they’ve even come back and responded that, you know, these new cheerleaders, they’re just responding to some of the bigotry that’s out there regarding them and this, that, and the other. That’s a bunch of hogwash, by the way. I think there’s a lot of people out there that feel the same way I do about this. And at the end of the day, they don’t like it any more than somebody like me does. I don’t like it. I’ll just tell you straight up. I think it’s stupid. Now, they claim that they have been subjected to homophobic hate, bigotry. These are the two men who earned the spot on the Minnesota Vikings cheerleading team. And by the way, I watched some of their performances, I guess you could say. They’ve only been there for preseason now because there hasn’t been any actual season games of NFL yet. That’s coming. But watching these two guys cheer… I just – I got no words. I have no words. I just look at it and think, this is the weirdest thing ever. And I’m sorry. Whatever they’ve had thrown at them, I’ll just say it straight up. I mean, I don’t believe in hate and things like that, but – You’re going to have things coming at you. You’re doing something that, in most cases, most folks don’t like. So, yeah, I can imagine some of the messages and things that people have been saying about you. John and Cheyenne, you’re next.
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So does that mean you’re not going to go see the CU Buffs anymore? Because they have male cheerleaders.
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Yeah, but college, you know, John, college has always had male cheerleaders for the most part, at least as far as back as I can remember, there were male cheerleaders as a part of that. But in the NFL and the Cowboys starting it all with the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, there has been no male involvement in that from day one, nor should there be as far as I’m concerned.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so I was just calling to see, you know, joke with you because… It’s just, it’s Minnesota, we expect. It’s Tim Waltz.
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Well, and I’m glad you said that, because I was going to go there, because really, in my opinion, this is literally just pacifying those sorts of individuals. You are correct in that. I believe that wholeheartedly.
SPEAKER 06 :
I do, too. It’s just another thing to keep the woke people from screaming. Meanwhile, how many woke people do you think go… in person to an NFL game on Sunday.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, you know what? You bring up something great there, too. In other words, I don’t think they even, it’s what Andy and I talk about a lot here, I don’t think the Vikings even know their in-stadium crowd and their market because I’m with you, John. I don’t think most of the people that attend NFL games are that woke in the first place. There’s a few that are, but by and large, that’s not the crowd.
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Yeah, but it’s just, It’s just, you know, you have to just look at it and say, all right, they’re going for the next step of woke. Although woke, as far as I’m concerned, has been dying, if you look at it.
SPEAKER 16 :
It is dying.
SPEAKER 06 :
And so it’s just, I just thought of when you started talking about it, I saw that on X over the weekend or something. Maybe it was Monday and I just laughed at it and scrolled past it because it was.
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Well, and I kind of did the same thing. And then I thought and then then I started, of course, when you look at something, you get more of it because that’s how the algorithms work. But, you know, then I just started seeing some of the things that were going back and forth from these two cheerleaders back to some of the quote unquote haters. You know, part of me says nobody needs to hate on anybody that I’m never going to stand for. That’s not right. On the same token, though, you know, guys, you kind of asked for it.
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Yeah. When you, you know, if you remember back in 1995, all we want to do is be recognized to that 2025, you will respect us, you know, the gay rights movement in the last 30 years. And this is just part of that. You will accept whatever we want to do. We’re our cheerleaders. If we want men, we’re going to have it. And you, so that tells me, I just don’t have to watch the Vikings unless they’re playing the Giants.
SPEAKER 16 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just like saying, you don’t have to watch them unless they’re playing the Broncos.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, you’re right. I agree. You’re 100% correct. John, you too. Appreciate you, man, very much. Alex, you are next. Go ahead, Alex.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, I disagree. I just don’t understand what the big deal is. they will get to enjoy it. You’re saying you wouldn’t go to a Broncos game if they did this?
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No.
SPEAKER 05 :
So you’re going to cause yourself to not enjoy a Broncos game because of this?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, because to me, the team is playing to the woke crowd, and I’m not going to participate. I don’t normally boycott and do things like that, Alex, as you know. I mean, I’ve talked about that many, many times over. But to me, this is just utter nonsense.
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But the thing is, instead of going and enjoying a live game, when it’s primarily about the football game, not the cheerleaders. I’ve been to three games in my life, and I’ve only one time noticed the cheerleaders, and that was at the end of the game when the Niners were up big against Tennessee. But for me, this point of view, this is what you need a safe space, essentially.
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No, actually, and this is where you and I will have to agree to disagree. I don’t need a safe space, but I’m a consumer. I’m buying a ticket. I can choose to either buy the ticket or not buy the ticket. It doesn’t mean I need a safe space. I’m making a statement with my purchasing power as to whether I agree with what the team is doing or not.
SPEAKER 05 :
But this is essentially the same thing as what college students do when they protest their universities. donating money to certain causes or governments. And that is what is commonly, from what I understand… Hang on, let me back up.
SPEAKER 16 :
Here’s the difference, though. First of all, colleges and universities are relying on not only tuition, but a lot of state-funded money that comes from me, you, and others like us. When it comes to the Broncos, it’s all coming from ticket revenue and what they get from TV, the NFL, and so on. So not really apples to apples.
SPEAKER 05 :
I can kind of see that, but I still think that in the end… You were saying as a consumer where the students are a consumer of that education and they pay for that education.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, yeah, I mean, it’s similar in that way, although although there’s a lot of those students that are.
SPEAKER 05 :
For example, the students might be debating like funding for war. That makes sense because war. No one should really be in favor of that. You’re saying a guy dancing on the sidelines that they show maybe for five seconds per game.
SPEAKER 16 :
But if you go to the game, you’re going to see them, depending upon where they’re positioned, typically the cheerleaders will rotate around the stadium. You’re going to see them for at least a full quarter, depending upon where you sit.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure, I get that. But I saw Peyton Manning break Brett Favre’s touchdown record against the Niners. I barely noticed the cheerleaders. I think it’s somewhat hypocritical from your point of view, from the conservative point of view, to say liberals need to save space from all this, but now you won’t go and enjoy it. Because basically, I mean, you don’t have fun at Broncos games. I do.
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I have a good time going to Bronco games. But I guess where I’m at with this, Alex, is I feel like in this particular case, and I think John was right a moment ago, this is the Minnesota Vikings literally doing nothing more than feeding the woke crowd. Because remember, ever since the beginning of the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders some I don’t know how many decades ago, you’ve only had female cheerleaders on the squad. And frankly, I think it should stay that way.
SPEAKER 05 :
So just originality.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 05 :
I just don’t get that. I just don’t get holding to originality. Because right now, essentially what you’re saying is these two guys who want to do something they enjoy shouldn’t be allowed to do that. And if they’re allowed to enjoy that, you don’t want to be allowed to enjoy a live Bronco. I just think all you’re advocating for is people to not be happy. when their happiness isn’t hurting your ability to be happy.
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And again, like I say, this is one of those subjects where you and I and others may agree to disagree. I did get somebody, this is a female that actually texted me just now, because I know this person, and said, male cheerleaders are really only there to assist the females with the acrobatics and increase the volume and so on, i.e. some of the college games and so on, like John was talking about. A moment ago, these NFL male cheerleaders are not there to do that. They are acting and doing exactly what the females are doing. So they’re not there to help on the acrobatic sides of things. They’re really there just to add to the quote-unquote dance that all of the female cheerleaders are doing. And, again, this is where, for me, Alex, it’s not one and the same when you have male and female cheerleaders at a college game. It’s not one and the same.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t think – I mean, I can understand your point in the different kinds of – roles that each cheerleaders play i just don’t think in particular it matters we invented the game of football we invented the concept of cheerleading the roles of who plays what i think i think it’s you guys wanting to continue to deny that there are more feminine men that exist i think no i don’t i won’t deny that there are definitely more feminine men that exist what i’m saying though and maybe this is in a football game what’s that i understand Well, why can’t they express themselves? I just don’t get, like, I can understand if you don’t want.
SPEAKER 16 :
They can, but I don’t have to pay to see them, Alex. I guess that’s where I’m coming from. They can do whatever they want to. The Vikings can do whatever they want to. The problem that I think the Vikings aren’t thinking through, though, is who’s your market? Who’s going to the games? And is this really feeding into that market, or is it going against your market?
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t think. I think the NFL is too big, man. I mean, there’s nothing in America that produces the audience. for the Super Bowl than the NFL.
SPEAKER 16 :
You and I will be in total agreement there. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think John brought up a point a moment ago. The thing about people that go to games in person, though, they are not your typical fan that’s even watching at home. Most of these folks are rabid fans, and I’ll just be straight-up honest, Alex. I think John said it well. Most of them are not in the woke crowd.
SPEAKER 05 :
But I don’t know if this is wokeism. Oh, it is. Oh, it definitely is. But how?
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, the Vikings are feeding right into the woke crowd, putting these two cheerleaders out on the field.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely, Alex. I don’t think you know who the woke crowd is, because most of the woke crowd doesn’t watch football. If they’re feeding into it, they’re not feeding into anyone. I’m not saying liberals don’t watch football. I am sitting here saying I’ve been a longtime Niner fan my whole life. But right now, I am not watching or not watching football based on this. If they would have came out with a story that said, If they rejected them because they were male, I wouldn’t have stopped watching football. I think Bill Burr said it best on Conan one time. The commissioner could punt a baby. I’d still watch on Sunday. I’m not condoning it. I’m just saying. I don’t think people are going to watch football… based on whether these two people are participating or not, I think the season’s going to go by.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and you may be right, although, let me throw this at you, back when all of the Black Lives Matter thing was big and the NFL was getting big into it, and a lot of folks like myself said, you know what, I’ve got other things I can do, other places I can go, things that I can watch, and a lot of folks did, and their ratings for the first time ever, Alex, started to tank. The NFL quickly moved away from that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you guys really embraced canceled culture there, especially with Colin Kaepernick. That kid got kicked out of the NFL because you guys didn’t like that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, because they didn’t like the way – and it wasn’t because of who he was. It’s because of how he was handling it.
SPEAKER 05 :
But the problem is that’s another problem because you guys were upset with the Black Lives Matter riots in 2020, but Colin Kaepernick kneeled. He was peacefully protesting, and you guys didn’t like that. Do you guys just not like the idea of black people protesting?
SPEAKER 16 :
No, not at all. They can protest all they want. But here’s the thing, Alex. As an employee, he’s not allowed to do that. He’s an employee. Keep in mind, somebody has bought his time. I talk about that constantly on this program. When you’re an employee working for somebody else, you don’t own your time. They do. There is no free speech, in other words, when you’re on the job.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I get that, but it just seems like you guys don’t see that both ways.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I see it both ways, absolutely. And I’ve said this numerous times. I always give somebody the right to protest and do whatever they want to when it comes to their First Amendment right. I’ll do that all day long, but not in this case because, by the way, he’s working for the NFL and for that team owner. He’s not in public. He’s not taking a public stand, quote-unquote. That was my point with all of that, and I think most conservatives were. He was trying to use a platform while working for somebody else to promote something that a lot of folks didn’t believe in.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, believe in it or not, he had the right to express.
SPEAKER 16 :
Not in that scenario, he didn’t. If he wanted to do it out of his football end of things and out of the stadium and so on, Alex, he can do that all day long, but not while he’s in the stadium. No, he doesn’t have that right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Give him that chance. But the conservatives didn’t give him that choice. As fans, you guys decided that that wasn’t okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
I openly at the time, Alex, even said that if he wanted to go do what he was doing outside of the stadium, do it on his own free time, his own free will, be my guest, but not in the stadium, no.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because you didn’t want to see it. When he does it outside the stadium, that’s not where the attention is. That’s what he was capitalizing on. The fact is that he had attention.
SPEAKER 16 :
And Alex, I said this before, too. I feel the same way about other people that try to promote things inside of the stadium and inside of their work. The reality is that’s not what it’s there for. They’re there to play football, not to make a statement on any other level, period. They’re working at that point in time. And I want to watch them work and work only. Period. I don’t care what side of the aisle they’re on. That’s my feeling when it comes to something like football and or hockey or basketball or anything else. They’re working at that point in time. No different than if I go to, you know, Target and there’s some store clerk there wearing all sorts of garb that has nothing to do with them checking me out. They’re not there to make a statement. They’re there to check me out.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure, I can see that.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that’s what’s happening on a football field, hockey rink, anything else along those lines. It’s the same thing.
SPEAKER 05 :
But when you face the issues they’re facing, it’s important to allow something like your discomfort with that to get in their way. I don’t have any discomfort with it at all.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s a matter of what he’s doing on someone else’s time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, I don’t think that’s true. Oh, I think it’s true, Alex. I think… No, because you wouldn’t care. Like, I don’t care that the male cheerleaders exist, so I don’t care. I just happen to turn on conservative radio and hear you say something about it. And I just want to get your idea on the perspective of you call out liberals for cancel culture. So how is this not the same thing? You don’t want to purchase any more from the NFL? You don’t want to watch a Minnesota Viking game?
SPEAKER 16 :
If I was a Viking fan, I would be upset, yes. I’m not, so I don’t care because I’m not a Vikings fan.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure, sure, but you even advocate that if the Broncos did this, you would… I would have a problem with that, yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
I would have a problem with that, yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think that’s an example of being sensitive.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think that is an example of conservatives not being able to handle things that they don’t… No, what it says, Alex, is if I don’t like something going on on that particular team at that particular moment, I don’t have to spend my money there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure, I get that, but I mean… It’s no different.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s no different, Alex, for example, when teams, the Broncos are an exception, but typically when teams start losing and don’t do very well, their fan base typically goes away. Broncos are an exception. They’ve been a sellout team forever. I think they have the record in the NFL for doing so. It’s unique here in Denver as far as that goes. But typically speaking, when teams don’t do very well, their fan base shrinks and they don’t have as much revenue coming in because the same thing happens. If they don’t like what’s going on in the field, they don’t go watch.
SPEAKER 05 :
But the NFL divides their revenues evenly. Every team pulls in the exact same amount of profit.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, but that has nothing to do with what I just said a moment ago. Typically speaking, like the Browns, for example, I can’t tell you when the last time the Browns had a sellout. I’m guessing it’s been a while.
SPEAKER 05 :
Probably. Yeah, they’ve been awful.
SPEAKER 16 :
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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, before I jump into Sonny, Charlie wanted me to mention something, too, on the cancel culture. Alex, if you’re still listening, the difference between my view on what’s going on in the Vikings versus the cancel culture is typically, not typically, the way the cancel culture works on the other side of the aisle is, Nobody has any right to see anything ever, period, because they’re just going to cancel it out. That’s what the cancel culture means. In my view, what I’m saying is if I don’t like it, I’m not going to spend my money. I’m not going to go. If they want to keep doing what they’re doing and the Vikings want to keep doing what they’re doing, more power to them. That is totally up to them. But at the end of the day, is it for me? No. So what I’m saying is I’m just not going to spend my money. I do have the power of the purse. And I will spend my money accordingly. It’s not that I’m canceling anybody. I just don’t want to participate in it. That’s different than canceling them completely out. Sonny, you’re next. Young Americans Against Socialism. And you probably heard some of that last conversation. So here we go. Are you there, Sonny? Oh, we’re waiting.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m here.
SPEAKER 16 :
There we go. There you are. Did you did you hear any of my last conversation about that? And I know this isn’t in our notes, but the male cheerleaders in Minnesota.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I did hear about it. I did hear the conversation and it’s an interesting one. And I mean, they’re not the only team to do it. And I’m actually really surprised that this is all of a sudden becoming the trend this year because you would think that the NFL would start, you know, the trend has been to kind of go away from woke culture because that’s just not on brand anymore for America anymore. And so it’s really interesting that they’re doing that now. They’re not the only team. And, you know, there is a point to be made about the fact that, you know, male cheerleaders do exist. However, the reason I think it’s so jarring is because it’s not normally like that in the NFL world.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and I want to stop for a moment because even Charlie and I were discussing this during the break. And I want to think if you haven’t. Here’s what I would suggest, Alex, you included. Go watch these male cheerleaders from the Vikings versus what you’d see on a regular college or high school team. It is not one in the same. These guys are literally trying to act like the women are. I mean, literally from the way that they dance, the way they walk, the way they flip their hair around. I mean, I’ll just say it straight up. It’s creepy if you ask me. I’m sorry. You guys can be mad at me for saying that. But the whole thing creeps me out. And no, I’m not into that at all. I’m a man’s man. I’m not into that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Absolutely, and it’s disturbing, and I would think that actually male cheerleaders who actually have been doing this, like the collegiate ones, would say that it would disturb that.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s sort of a slap in the face, Sonny, to those collegiate ones. Am I right in saying it that way?
SPEAKER 03 :
What did you say?
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s sort of a slap in the face to the solid, hardcore, collegiate male cheerleaders that are there to lift the women up, to really help them with the routines and so on. I mean, literally, it’s almost slapping those guys in the face because what these guys are doing, at least on the Minnesota Vikings team, cheerleading team, it is not what those male collegiate cheerleaders are doing, not even close.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely not. It’s making a mockery of it completely. Thank you. And, you know, just on a side note, I, you know, I will indulge in the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders show because they are athletes. Like, they’re absolutely athletes. And you can just see how hard they work. And so to your point, to see these guys who, you know, appear flamboyantly gay, it’s very… confusing, and I just think that NFL will regret this decision entirely. And to your point about cancel culture, I mean, I’ve never been one to support that, but I believe in the original form of cancel culture, which is if you don’t like something, don’t support it, and they will see the effect and the consequences of their action. And these teams should really think better, think twice about doing something like that.
SPEAKER 16 :
To your point, Bud Light learned that really quickly when they tried to do what they did with Dylan Mulvaney, and they didn’t understand, I guess, who their crowd was of beer drinkers, because at the end of the day, it wasn’t that anybody wanted to cancel, you know, Dylan and or Bud Light itself. The reality, Sunny, is what most people said was, you know, I can go by Coors Light or something else. I don’t have to drink Bud Light.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s not their demographic, and they lost They lost, I think, $2 billion from that. I know from credible sources that the large percentage of their workforce was laid off simply because of that one decision.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, yep, no. And again, it’s not, and I think it’s clear. Alex brought up a great point, and I appreciate him for calling in and giving the other side of the viewpoint. The problem is they’re mixing information. everything that we would do. In other words, if we don’t like something, they don’t want to go spend our money on it. We’re canceling. I’m not canceling anything. In fact, I didn’t cancel Bud Light. If they want to run commercials with Dylan and still promote Bud Light in that way, more power to them doesn’t mean that I’m going to be for it and or spend my money in that particular direction. Jaguar, by the way, they’re another one that’s learning really quickly how some of this works. Their last ad campaign literally tanked. And yeah, I know that some of their sales numbers is because of a
SPEAKER 03 :
model changeover and so on but sunny i predicted unless jaguar makes an about face that that company is doomed for the reasons we’re talking about well and to further your point we are the consumer so we are allowed to voice if we don’t like something like you know they are they are crafting their what they’re doing the nfl the brands they use the the look they have the cop the the the uniforms that they you know design all of that is to please their consumer in many ways so you know, it is our right to have an opinion, and that’s going to affect, you know, what they do next year. So I think that they will think about what they’re doing here because I just don’t see, especially if it’s kind of ironic, Minnesota Vikings, it’s not very manly in biking to have these flamboyant,
SPEAKER 16 :
male cheerleader well and by the way i’m glad i’m glad you’re the one that said you know the the flamboyant part because that’s a good description of what’s going on it isn’t like and this is where i i probably wouldn’t have any issues if they were out there doing mayor male cheerleading things like what you see at the collegiate level and they’re helping the girls do their routines and so on and they’re doing the pyramids and all of that you know what sunny i you wouldn’t hear me talking about i could care less it wouldn’t be a big issue The difference here is they’re flamboyantly gay, and they’re promoting that on the field in that way. Again, they’re actually trying to play into, I’m just going to say it, they’re playing into the woke crowd, although I don’t think that’s the majority of the people that are at the stadium. And I’ll just stand by it. I don’t like it. I don’t think that’s the way it was designed. I don’t think that’s the way those squads were designed in the first place. That’s definitely not what the original Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, that’s not what came out at that point in time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely not. And I think it kind of goes into, you know, what we were going to talk about, which is in terms of transgender ideology and how, you know, that’s been infiltrated and pushed in our schools and our all of our culture, because just this is just something that I’m thinking of.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 03 :
The, you know, Taylor Swift fans of the world are now, you know, there was a major uptick in young female fans. viewers of NFL because Taylor Swift is now going to all these games because of her boyfriend, Travis Kelsey, which is fascinating to me. It is kind of sweet. I heard him say, oh, a lot of young girls are going with their dads. They’re learning about football. Actually, that’s really sweet, but then it’s kind of interesting. Maybe they’re saying, oh, let’s capitalize on this and throw in some male cheerleaders because the young girls always love their gay best friends, the flamboyant gay boys, and And that’s just, I’m sorry, for me, I don’t support that, and I agree with you. So I don’t want to see that on the NFL field.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and by the way, I’m not the only one. If you guys go look out on any of the news organizations, just Google NFL male cheerleader backlash, and you’ll see all sorts of different articles and things out there. I’m not the only one out there, by the way, that feels this way. In fact, I would venture to guess that there’s some purists out there just because they feel like, That game has been what it is. The Dallas Cowboys started the cheerleading thing some, I don’t know, 30-plus years ago or more. It might even be longer than that, Sonny. I think there’s a lot of purists that just feel like it needs to be left alone. Don’t dink with it. Well, the Vikings especially are dinking around with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think there was a couple of other teams. I can’t remember which teams it has been. you know, it’s just kind of a mockery of what, you know, what it’s supposed to be. It’s supposed to be this, that’s the whole point, is that there are these jocks on the field, these guys running around, you know, fighting after a ball, and there’s these pretty girls who are cheering them on. Like, that’s literally the whole point. And now you have, it’s just, it’s crazy.
SPEAKER 16 :
By the way, 1965. 1965 was the first year, so it’s been almost, well, it has been 60 years ago that they started.
SPEAKER 03 :
Amazing. Wow. Wild. Can’t imagine what it must have been like in the 60s or 70s when they just started, and you know, what a difference the world we’re living in today.
SPEAKER 16 :
And actually, there’s some stats even that go all the way back to like 1961, but I think officially it was like 1965. But at any rate, it’s been around for 60 years. Talk to us about some of the things, though, that you sent me, some of the articles that we’ve got, whereby we’ve got a couple of teens, male teens, by the way, that were bothered and even took some pictures and did an interview with a with a female student that was using the male bathroom. So this is the opposite of what we’ve normally seen. Normally you see a male student that’s trying to become a female, and they’re in the female locker room. This is the opposite, and there’s a couple of young men there that just didn’t feel comfortable with this, so they actually made some questions to this particular individual. By the way, not derogatory or anything along those lines. They’re just questioning, why are you here? What are you doing? And they got a 10-week suspension.
SPEAKER 03 :
10-day suspension.
SPEAKER 16 :
Sorry, 10-day, 10-day. Sorry, yeah, sorry. Thank you for correcting me. 10-day suspension. By the way, 10-day is a long time for suspension.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is. That’s two full weeks of school. And especially, I mean, it’s remarkable that the school, I mean, understanding a suspension is a punishment from school. And it’s kind of, I always, I never really understood the idea of a suspension because it’s like, how is that a punishment if you’re doing something wrong? It’s you’re kind of, oh, great, I got two weeks off school. You know what I mean? In this case, it is a punishment because these boys are being reprimanded and scolded for just simply expressing their discomfort. And in fact, in the video, that’s what they’re saying is like how uncomfortable they are. And the girl, whoever, I don’t know what this person looked like, but This girl who is obviously identifying as a boy, quote unquote, is the one recording the video, of course, to kind of record the incident as like I’m being, you know, misgendered or being made to feel uncomfortable or oppressed as a trans person, you know, in this case where in reality, you know, that should never be allowed. And. Like you said, it is kind of an interesting situation here. But even one of the families said that they already pulled their kid out of the school. And my opinion is that they should sue the school not only for the discrimination, but also, you know, against these boys for just. I mean, it’s not necessarily discrimination, but for, you know, just like coming down on these kids for just expressing their discomfort.
SPEAKER 16 :
Which I don’t blame them. I mean, this is another one where it’s like, OK, wait a minute. I wouldn’t feel, you know, granted, I’m an adult and, you know, there’s co-ed locker rooms and things like that. And you use your own stall and bathroom and all that. I understand that that’s not the case here. And these two young men didn’t feel comfortable and rightfully so.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely not. And like you said, the footage didn’t show that they were being discriminatory or derogatory. In any way, just, oh, I guess the boys were asking the student to leave the bathroom. Again, rightfully so.
SPEAKER 16 :
I don’t blame them for that. Rightfully so. They didn’t feel comfortable with a woman being, a girl being in their locker room, which, you know, in their defense, because this is where things have gotten to as well, as you know, Sonny, in their defense, there’s so many accusations that can fly around and so on. Why would you want someone of the opposite sex in your locker room, period?
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. Insane. It’s truly it’s truly a recipe for disaster. I mean, the fact that this has been going on for as long as it is. I mean, you know, there’s already reality that issues of or incidents of, you know, sexual abuse or harassment or anything of that nature goes unreported already just because people typically are, you know, for whatever reason, they don’t want to report. They don’t feel like they’re going to be believed. And I’m not out here trying to say, oh, you know, believe all women, like that whole like ridiculous thing that we went through. But my point is that that’s just a reality. And that is, you know, that’s been, you know, talked about for many years. So you already have that reality. And then you’re going to throw in the mix. Yeah, let’s just do co-ed and like say, you know, trans people, whatever you want to call yourself, you can just go wherever you want. And in a school situation where kids are, you know, already, you Going through puberty, going through figuring themselves out, going through answering all these questions. They’re so young. They don’t have the maturity. They don’t have necessarily the confidence to go up to a school official or teacher or principal or anybody of that matter. of that, of that, you know, standing and say, Hey, like I’m uncomfortable or maybe something happened. I’m sure there have been things that have happened. I mean, of course we know situations, stories of like, you know, real criminal activity of like a teacher assaulting a student because they were trans, all these things. But, Between the kids, the kid peer to peer, like I’m sure that has happened and we don’t know about it. And it’s disgusting. It’s sickening. And our kids are the most vulnerable. They’re the ones that were supposed to be protecting. And this is just common thread of the left. They hate. protecting the real vulnerable which is our children they are sick evil and twisted and they want to take your children and this is you know i’m not the one i i don’t like the idea of like oh just homeschool your kids like i do think that parents should fight at the school boards and fight for their school district because it’s important we can’t just allow these schools to be turned into cesspools but at the same time um we have a i mean this has been a serious problem for years
SPEAKER 16 :
Agreed. Agreed. All right. Before we let you go, we’ve got to get going here pretty quickly. Give us your info as to how folks can find you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. It’s Young Americans Against Socialism. Just want to plug the article that I just posted about on our Instagram. So you can go to our Instagram, Y-A-A-S underscore America. It’s about Daniela Ionescu, who fled communist Romania when she, well, she had just had her first baby after a few years, but she grew up there as a child and she just speaks of the horrors that she went through. I mean, her uncle was actually executed because he did not want to join the collectivist farm. Her friend lured her to a police station and they threatened they wouldn’t let her leave and they tried to get her to spy on her own family and just so many insane stories that she shared with us. And we wrote an article about it. And so I posted some I posted it, you know, did a post about it. So if you go to our Twitter or our Instagram, you can check that out and go to our website. Yes, dot org slash articles to read the full article, read the full interview and check out for yourself. Share it with a friend or family member who needs to hear the reality, the dangers of these communist and socialist ideologies and how they are trying to get your children and make them dependent on the state. So that is the main thread throughout. So thank you so much. You bet. Yeah, we hope to hear from you.
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