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Dive deep into the debate surrounding energy efficiency standards with this episode of Rush to Reason. Host John Rush brings Ken Davis on air to discuss the implications of the Biden administration’s energy policies on everyday Americans. They dissect the lack of scientific backing for many ‘green’ initiatives and the costly burdens these standards impose on household appliances. Is it really a move towards efficiency, or merely a political agenda? Listen in as they connect the dots and explore the pendulum of political influence on environmental regulations, leaving audiences with critical insights on how these decisions affect both wallets
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All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Ken Davis should be joining us here in just one moment. We’re going to talk about energy efficiency standards. I love him. And you know what, Andy? This is something that you and I talk about on a fairly routine basis because for some people, they think, okay, well, who cares? Well… This affects a lot of what everyday Joe American does when it comes to their costs when you put some of these high standards in and limit what people’s choices are and what they can buy.
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People have absolutely no idea how much they’re being robbed.
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No idea, John, by these standards. It’s huge. And by the way, and we’ll have Ken explaining this, in a lot of cases, folks, there’s not even a lot of data proving that the standards they’re implementing save anything in the end. Right. Low flush toilets, for example. I’ll just throw that one really quick. That’s not our topic, but low flush toilets. Reality, Andy, is if you’re having to flush it two or three times, which a lot of people do, what have you really saved? Nothing. In fact, you may have actually cost yourself more water when it’s all said and done. Right. So those are some of the small examples, by the way, of things that are out there that we’ll talk about. Ken Davis joining us now, though. Ken, welcome. How are you?
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John, I’m fine. Good to be with you.
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Always a joy having you. We appreciate it very much. All right, we were just talking a moment ago, kind of prepping for you to come on. Talk to us about some of these energy efficiency standards. And as I was saying a moment ago, Ken, these things affect everyday Americans, whether they realize it or not. And as I said a moment ago as well, in a lot of cases, these standards really, at the end of the day, don’t do anything efficiency-wise.
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No, they don’t. I mean… It’s really all of them together just represented a war, a pointless, costly, agenda-driven war by the Biden administration against household appliances. Almost every appliance in the house, air conditioners, dishwashers, washing machines, refrigerators. and a lot of commercial equipment as well, all in the name of reducing the consumption of electricity, and therefore the consumption of fossil fuels used to generate electricity, and that to avoid the Biden administration and their environmental extremists said that to avoid climate catastrophe. None of which none of the whole narrative not a piece of it was supported by sound climate science or any kind of science none it was just virtue signaling and green pork and and the rest of it but happily happily because of the election results and the return to the white house of president trump and his ability to appoint regulators to populate at least the top and supposedly controlling top of these agencies, things are being reversed by a whole range of executive actions. But as we know, as we look at the first Trump term and then the Biden term, executive actions by executive orders and internal memoranda and the rest of it, executive actions taken by one president can be reversed by the next president taking the same kind of quick action, kind of a pendulum back and forth. That’s why the recent action by the House of Representatives to take a vote and repeal Some of the so-called energy efficiency standards, the ones covering commercial refrigerators, freezers, and refrigerator freezers, that’s why that action is so significant because it really can’t be reversed.
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Hey, Ken, how do we help more Americans understand how this all affects costs? And here’s what I mean. All of these mandates that happen, a lot of them happen behind the scenes. We just know, well, I go to the store and these are the fridges I can buy, right? And yet they don’t understand two things. They don’t understand how all these mandates, first, and secondly, this whole green energy scam happens. affect their costs. And yet right across the pond, we have a great example. Europe pays about three times what we do for their electricity. How can we help Americans to understand Trump is not putting you at risk, he’s saving your wallet? Absolutely.
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And you remember, throughout the Biden administration, and as a part of the environmentalist narrative, generally, they will say, when they control the regulatory agencies and come out with requirements for the manufacture of so-called energy-efficient equipment, they will say that they are taking steps to bring to the market superior products, superior appliances, superior commercial equipment. more energy efficient, and all the rest save you supposedly a lot of money over the life of the equipment. But here’s why that is a false narrative. Here’s why it’s deceptive, and here’s the thing that people need to keep in their minds whenever now, if you live in California… or other states, the governments continue to say the same things. If these products were really better, if they really saved you money, if they really were superior in their technology and their operation, there would not need to be a mandate. There wouldn’t need to be a mandate. And so Anytime a government mandates the replacement of traditional proven equipment of any kind, automobiles, for example, and claims that it’s a better product, the giveaway, the absolute screaming headline proof is that it’s mandated. because nobody mandated the replacement of horse-drawn carriages with gasoline-powered automobiles. And so that’s the thing for everybody to keep in mind. You hear the word mandate, the rest of the story is baloney.
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Well, yeah, I mean, if it’s better for me, why do you have to force me to buy it?
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Smartphones are a great example of that. You never had to force someone to buy a smartphone.
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No, never. Never. And, you know, here’s what gets me, Ken. Every time we tell them that, look, if it’s better for me, why do you got to force me to buy it? And they say, because you don’t know what’s better for you. You don’t understand what’s good for you. And what they’re really saying, Ken, is they want me to pay for their activism.
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Well, they do. And that statement that we know better, that is the dark heart and soul of of the progressive model of government by unelected credentialed supposed experts. It has been that way from the turn of the 20th century and Woodrow Wilson’s first steps in the wrong direction.
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Awesome. Ken, I appreciate all of the information. Secondly, how do folks find you?
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Well, I’ve written a lot about the regulatory problems and legal problems posed by the progressive administrative state. If they Google my name, Jay Letter, Jay Kennerly Davis, and the Federalist Society, they’ll get a lot of op-ed-style essays. I’ve also written a book that’s available on Amazon that covers this, entitled Revolution, subtitled The Call to Turn Back the Lawless, because that’s what these people are, unconstitutional lawless. The Call to Turn Back the Lawless Left and Restore the Promise of America.
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Ken, as again, I appreciate it very much. Thank you for joining us. Have a great rest of your day, sir.
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Thank you.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. John Rush together with Andy Pate. John, I got a question for you. What do the Davidians do now? They are out. Obviously, they don’t intend to stay out. Hope Scheppelman put out a thing. We’re going to come back. And she means it.
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Oh, I know she does.
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Although, I think Hope Scheppelman… Might be on her way out. I think some stuff will be coming out.
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Mm-hmm.
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But anyway, just in general, what do the Davidians do?
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What they really should do, and I hope they don’t, they’ve got to regroup, figure out, okay, our fearless leader is now no longer here, and his replacement didn’t get elected. So we’ve got to regroup and try to figure out exactly what we’re going to do next. And keep in mind, folks, that just because their fearless leader is no longer around, there are those folks that are still driving – In fact, what’s happened inside of the, what I would call the loon arm of the Republican Party here in Colorado, I hate to call it that, but it’s what it is, is not really run by Dave and the Davidians. I mean, even though they follow him, keep in mind that there are puppet masters like Chuck and Julie at Rhino Watch. Right. Right, but you’ve got to keep in mind, Chuck and Julie had immense…
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sway up until two days ago. Right. And just lost it all. Well, they did. Okay. And you got to be thinking that they’re going to want to come back. They are going to work to come back. And they know ways to come back.
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Yeah, the Tootsie Roll or, you know, the Tootsie Pop just got taken away. Right.
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And, you know, look, they’re a cancer, in my opinion, in the party.
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While they’re sitting in the back seat, just got handed to the other sibling. Right. They’re mad.
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Yes. Well, I think here’s the first thing. I like what you say. They’ve got to reassess. Why did we lose? They had the numbers. They should have won. I predicted they would win. I thought that they would win. You and I both thought so. By the way, I love eating crow. This is the most delicious crow I’ve ever eaten. Absolutely. I think it’s fantastic. I love it. But, you know, John… They’ve got to take a look and say, you know what the first thing they have to do is this. They have to look at Rhino Watch because that is their central hub now. Rhino Watch. And they’ve got to look at Rhino Watch and say, get, what’s her name, the congresswoman? Lauren. Lauren Boebert. I was thinking Lori because I’m thinking Lori Sane. Get Lauren Boebert off the wall of shame now. get a lot of these people, because I believe, John, that going after Lauren Boebert the way Rhino watched it, and they didn’t just go after her. They were disgusting, using disgusting language in the way that they went after her.
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Andy, they used terms that I wouldn’t use against a Democrat. Right. And I’m being serious in saying that. You know me. They literally used terms that I wouldn’t use against the Nancy Pelosi’s of the world.
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Right. And this candidate that they had, Laurie Sane, She’s all down for, I mean, she’s with them, okay? She’s the Rhino Watch candidate, okay? And this is why Laurie Sane was going to be really very interesting had she won because she’s a very aggressive personality. I’ll just say that. Anyway, but when they went after Lauren Boebert because Lauren turned on Dave. And she did. She joined the other three congressmen.
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I think what happened with Lauren is she finally either threw some of the things that Andy and I have talked about now for a couple of years or people had gotten in her ear or – I mean, I don’t know what all exactly.
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I think we had some impact, John.
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Yeah, I was just going to say, I think because of some of the factual things that we laid out to people from FEC reporting on down, I think some people finally started looking at that saying, wait a minute, these two knuckleheads on air – Wow. They’re not just saying this to be vindictive. They’re actually laying some facts out that’s actually happening inside of the party right now, and we can’t have that.
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Right. John, both on air here and online, over the last year, year and a half, I’ve been basically doing the Sean Hannity thing, and that is do the same list over and over and challenge the other side. Will you please try debating these things?
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Answer these questions.
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These are the concerns that we have with Dave and the Davidians and these people. These are the things that we believe they’ve done. Can you show they haven’t or that we’re wrong in assessing in any way, shape, or form? Well, little by little. You know, those things keep getting out, and more and more people started asking, why is it okay for the state chair, who is to be the first state chair ever, to run in a contested primary against other Republicans while serving its chair? Why is it okay for the state party to literally campaign against Republican candidates, especially campaigning for the benefit of the state chair? And I’m not going to go through the list, okay? Right. But you see what I mean? Yes. We listed all these things. Now, at some point, Lauren Boebert, not just because of us. There are many other voices.
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Absolutely. We are one of them. By the way, which we’ll talk about when we come back from the break, including the national GOP that could have easily been listening to some of these things saying, guys, guys, guys. Yeah. We can’t go down this path anymore.
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I believe that little by little, and not just us, but a number of other voices, Eli Bremer, we have him on, a number of voices kept saying, look, these are real problems. We’re not a bunch of rhinos here. We have real concerns with these problems, and here’s the biggie, you’re not addressing any of them. Okay, I think Lauren heard and saw all these voices, saw all this happening, and finally she said, look, He’s done a poor job. He’s been divisive. This hasn’t worked. Now, the moment she did that, they made their big mistake. You know what they should have done? Let it be.
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I believe when they churned on Lauren… They can’t, Andy.
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I know, because they run on rage.
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Yeah, it’s not in their DNA.
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Rage is their gasoline in their tank.
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They only run on rage. Really quick, the only reason why you and I haven’t made the wall of shame is because it would even discredit what they’re doing even more than what they’ve already done. I believe truly that’s why you and I have not made it on there is because they know there’s enough…
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people that listen to us that even read some of their nonsense that would basically say oh you guys are you we knew you were fools but now you’re really a fool how many times have we read their stuff and you can see basically they’re just responding to me and you and they just won’t say it i know people are hearing this and think we’re talking ourselves up no folks we don’t think we’re the only ones it’s just that they do that look
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I believe the first… In retrospect, we were the first talk show in Denver to come out and start publicly naming some of these things that were going wrong inside of our own party. Breaking them down. Out of concern for the party, where we were headed, the fact that we literally had some disastrous elections the last time around. How could we recover from that? And so on. So Andy and I were really just looking at this more of how do we start winning in Colorado again? That’s our whole point in doing this. Right.
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And I believe at this point, I think step one, the first thing that they have to do, and we’ll get to how they got to mobilize numbers and we’ll do that after the break, but really quick step one, they have got to go to Rhino watch and say, we have to make peace with Lauren Bobert because I believe John, that when they turned on her, especially in the way they did, and it wasn’t just Rhino watch, you know, the moment they do it, all of their followers and we know their names, you know, online, um, They did it too, and I’ll just say a group, the Colorado Hispanic Republicans, who, by the way, has been a wonderful group over time, one of my favorites. But some of their leadership turned on Lauren Boebert the same way. When they did that, they fractured their coalition, and they had a coalition that was going to win last Saturday. I didn’t know it was that fractured. Yeah. They’ve got to unfracture. That’s got to be the first thing they do. What do you think?
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Totally agree. Somebody also asked, okay, and this is a good question, by the way, what’s the difference between us, Andy and I, who are on air on a regular basis versus Chuck and Julie, who used to be on air. They aren’t anymore. I’m not going to get into the details of why. You can go look that up for yourself. That’s an interesting story in and of itself. They now run a podcast. But what’s the difference between us and them? Aren’t we both opinion-oriented type shows? Yeah. Yes, we are. So in that way, yes, we’re similar. We both give our opinion on different things and so on. Although what I would say is if you listen to their program versus ours here, the way things are presented, vastly different. I really do try to approach things on a reasonable basis. I try to give both sides of the equation. Here’s what’s going on. You guys can make a decision on your own. Here’s simply the facts. Let’s make some decisions based on it. Yes, I’m very opinionated on certain things. For example, green energy being a hoax. Climate change is nothing but a big scam. It’s a money grab. The Second Amendment shouldn’t be trampled on ever. I mean, yes, there are some absolutes with me that I’m not going to give in on ever.
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Where, by the way, we even agree with them on those.
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And we agree. Yeah, we agree with them on now my strategy. I’m one even on the Second Amendment. I have a different strategy on how we handle things and maybe some of those do. And that’s where I think we differ the most is my strategy and how to take things over in Colorado. is far different from what their strategy is, and I’m not going to berate anybody and call somebody a rhino and tell you that you shouldn’t be in the party, and you’re a no-good, dirty, rotten tramp of a scoundrel, which basically is what they called Lauren Boebert, and I’m not exaggerating when I say that. The reality is I’m not going to go out and do that to any politician, regardless of who they are. I want to look at it more in what can we do to actually now win moving forward. That’s the biggest difference between myself and Chuck and Julie.
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Well, yeah, basically, they and the state party, Rhino Watch and the state party, declared themselves the sole arbiters of who is a real Republican, and they labeled everybody else a rhino. And they declared themselves the ones who could make that decision on who is a rhino, who is a real Republican, and they insulted everybody else. And that, I don’t know if that’s going to sell going forward. But the biggest thing they’ve got to do is heal the rift with Lauren Boebert. They… I believe that’s what fractured their coalition.
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Call in to the KLZ studio line, 303-477-5600. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
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All right, I got an email a moment ago, too, is how do I find Mile High Coin? Really easy, 720-370-7200. 3-4-0-0 or go to coinbuyers.co. Not .com, but coinbuyers.co. David Gonzalez, you can find him there. So, Andy, we were talking before you went to break, and we’ll get into what the National Party is going to do with some of this, I believe, here. As we have time, we’ve got another hour and a half left of the program with only one other guest. So reality is, what separates us from the quote-unquote rhino watches of the world?
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Right, the Chuck and Julie’s rhino watch.
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Is there any other like that around the country?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I assume there is somewhere. I know that Rhino Watch is trying to start like-minded things around the country.
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God help us.
SPEAKER 09 :
Look, I mean, they’ve got these problems in a number of states. We have it more acutely, that’s it. Okay. I think Daryl, who is our new state vice chair, Lee Phelan. Okay, Daryl Lee Phelan. He responded when I put out a post basically saying, okay, this is what real unity looks like. And by the way, for those who don’t understand, right after two years. of owning the power. The Davidians, in that entire two years, had never done one unifying thing. All they had done was attack dissent. All they did the entire time, right? Right. Less than one day after losing power, the Davidians, apparently a bunch of them got together and they were all over the internet basically saying this. Where’s the unity? Why aren’t you unifying with us? And telling the new leadership and supporters of them, you’re not being unifying enough. You not unite with us. You need to be unifying. And so I put out a post that said, okay, here’s what unity looks like. Basically, it’s not doing everything you did. And I listed all those things. Now, I won’t go into my post. But in responding to it, Daryl Lee Phelan, the new vice chair, he, first of all, agreed with my post totally. And then he wrote a long post. I’m just going to read one paragraph. Okay. Unity does not mean demanding silence from those who disagree. Right. It does not mean purging people with different views, weaponizing committees.
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Go ahead. Let me add something to that for all of you that are listening that may disagree with that. There’s no way you can have a marriage and do what Rhino Watch does when it comes to those that dissent. Because, Andy, there’s lots of things that we disagree with, those that we love on a regular basis. Sure. How to do X, Y, Z, what we should spend money on, what we should invest in, where should we go on vacation. I mean, Andy, we can go down the list of things. Where do we go for dinner? What movie do we watch? All sorts of things come up. And there can always be a dissenting vote. or voice, that we still come together at the end of the day and say, okay, you know, I respect your opinion. There’s got to be a little give and take here. Let’s come to some common ground here. We’ll figure out how to make things work and move forward. That’s how, quote unquote, Andy, relationships that are equality relationships work. Am I right?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Okay, I just want to make sure I was clear on that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, understand, I’ll get back to what he said here. Those who are calling for unity, the Davidians who all of a sudden, after two years of offering no unity at all, Trying to purge dissent, literally purge. Dave called for removing people off the state central committee who disagreed with him. By the way, that’s one of the worst things as a leader you could ever do. Well, I know that. But after two years of doing that, Okay. All of a sudden they were calling for us to be unifying. Now, why were they doing that? Because they wanted to disarm those who had defeated them. Okay. They didn’t want unity. They wanted to silence those who are now celebrating at defeating them. They wanted to disarm those who had defeated them and basically make us all capitulate to them and do what they want. Okay. To them, that’s unity. Now, once again, getting back to what Daryl said. It doesn’t mean demanding silence from those who disagree. It does not mean purging people with different views, weaponizing committees, launching hit sites, or dividing Republicans into camps like grassroots and establishment. That approach is over. Okay. By the way, Daryl Lee Phelan has a very high IQ.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I can tell by how he writes. And I like that, by the way. Yeah. I like what he said, by the way, is what I meant.
SPEAKER 09 :
And he and I have even butted heads on some issues. That’s okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
We can always agree to disagree.
SPEAKER 09 :
I supported him strongly. I voted for him. I voted for Britta. I voted for all three who won. So I was a very happy boy. Look. Here’s the big difference between us and Chuck and Julie and Rhino Watch. They try to crush dissent. We try to address dissent.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And here’s the only rule I’ve ever had on this program. Even people that call in, and I’ve had lots of people from all over the map call in. Far left, far right, in the middle, whatever. All I’ve ever asked is that we respect each other as we’re talking. That’s why I control the hold button and somebody else doesn’t.
SPEAKER 09 :
Sometimes you have to.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because sometimes they just keep rolling along, and you have to address one thing at a time. That way the audience can actually hear what’s going on. But I’ve never had any trouble with having a conversation with somebody that doesn’t agree with me on certain things. I do that on every single program that I’ve had. And by the way, sometimes I learn some things where, okay, yep, I can sit and listen to that. I get that. So we always welcome those sorts of things. Now, I also will say this. There are some things, flat out with me personally, that there is no wiggle room on. Things that involved budgetary items or what we should spend money on or abortion or the Second Amendment or, or, or. I can go down some non-negotiables on my end that I don’t care what end of the political spectrum you’re coming from, Andy, there’s not going to be any negotiation on that particular topic. So in a sense… There’s probably not much room for me to move. In other words, I believe that life starts at conception. You’re not going to convince me otherwise. We can have all sorts of discussions along those lines. You’re not going to convince me otherwise, though, because I know and I’ve seen enough of what happens inside of mom’s womb and ultrasounds and the babies that are delivered and so on that it is a life from the moment it starts. Right. Period. That’s a non-negotiable for me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and I’m the same way. These are things that I’m not going to yield on. And as you know, you and I pretty much agree. I think we agree on all of them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
And, you know,
SPEAKER 05 :
The Second Amendment, that’s another one where, you know, the Second Amendment, by the way, and this is something that even a lot of conservatives get wrong, it’s not for my own self-defense. While that’s a part of it, the Second Amendment was put there by our founding fathers, A, as a God-given right for us to protect against a tyrannical government. That’s why we have the Second Amendment. It has nothing to do with me protecting myself from you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, and what you’re getting to here, John, is this. It’s not that Rhino Watch and the Davidians are principled, and you and I are moderates, and rhinos, and we fall for… No, no, actually, in most cases, we are to the right of them, I would say, in most issues.
SPEAKER 05 :
We could go line by line through some of the things that I just talked about, and you and I are probably farther right… than they are. The difference is, folks, and this is the real difference, and this is where I think it comes from, in my case, years of being in business and doing retail and being in that environment and so on and understanding that at times there is compromise that has to happen and so on, and I think that’s one thing that bodes well for me. Andy’s been in similar environments throughout his life, so I think we both have that going for us. And I think the biggest difference, and Andy, correct me if I’m wrong, is it’s not where we stand on issues. No. It’s the strategy in how we try to win those particular issues where we differ the most. Am I right? Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
Number one, we actually want to look at the market we have, not the market we wish we had. We don’t look at Colorado and say that I can be a purist and still win a blue state. We understand. And that’s not us compromising.
SPEAKER 05 :
This isn’t Florida.
SPEAKER 09 :
This isn’t Florida.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which really quick.
SPEAKER 09 :
But we’d like to make it Florida.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, but really quick also, Andy, there are also even parts of Florida that aren’t that red and blue.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, exactly. Am I right? Oh, of course. Okay. And, you know, John, here’s another big difference between us. the rhino watchers and chuck and julie love centralized control right they do now you and i we spent the last couple months bemoaning the fact that only a few hundred people were going to choose the leadership that was going to run the entire party now i’m glad we won and i was one of the voters but i don’t like that system i believe all registered republicans should be able to weigh in on who our leaders are at the state and county level and I think it’s a real problem. We bemoan that. We don’t like the fact that the caucus system makes people jump through a lot of hoops. It’s not that we hate caucus. We hate using it to choose the leaders. I don’t think people should have to beg other people for the right to cast a vote.
SPEAKER 05 :
Let me give you a little example in the church world. And maybe I’m wrong. Andy might know this better than I because you’ve studied this probably more than I have. But there are certain denominations… whereby an elder board elects the next pastor versus the entire church having a voice in the next pastor i believe the catholic church for example right most of priests are appointed by those that are higher up and the church itself the congregation really doesn’t have much say when it’s all said and done unless maybe you’re a big giver and you’ve got a little inside edge or something then you might actually have a say. But at the end of the day, the congregation, the Catholic Church, really doesn’t have anything to say about the next priest coming in. By the way, in my opinion, sorry Catholics, bad system. That’s a bad system. The congregation… Get more people involved. Yeah, the congregation should be having a voice, much like Andy you’re talking about with the party, in what goes on next.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, here’s the big difference between us and Chuck and Julie and Rhino Watch. We want more people involved, more voices, more voters. We want more, more, more. They want fewer, fewer, fewer. Why? Because they… He’s easier to control that way. You see, when we look at… The caucus system in Colorado and how it’s gotten down to less than 1% of Colorado Republicans wanting to go to it, we see that as a terrible thing. They’re not engaged. They don’t want to be part of it. They see that as a great opportunity. We can overrun that and take control. And so we can mobilize people, and we’ll talk about this in the next segment. We can mobilize people to seize control of this so a small group can have outsized power. And we look at that and we say, hey, that’s a terrible thing we want. We want to represent more Republicans. They want fewer to have greater power.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because more involvement means you have more people moving your direction.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And this is why they silence people. Great example, Mark Hampton. Okay, he runs Parker Conservatives. He threw me off their page. Why? Because I was obnoxious? Absolutely not. I would put my questions out and say, let’s debate these. Let’s discuss these. They couldn’t. And so they simply removed me and said I was rude. I wasn’t rude, obviously. And these are very aggressive people. But they don’t care. In any circumstance where they can, they use power to silence dissent. We don’t do that. That’s the big difference.
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Back to Rush to Reason. All right, we are back. National GOP with things that have just changed over this past weekend. Andy, what do they do now moving forward?
SPEAKER 09 :
I believe that they will now re-engage with the Colorado Republican Party. I believe the break is gone. I believe they’re going to totally re-engage and totally embrace the new leadership happily.
SPEAKER 05 :
For some of you listening, they have disengaged, and you may not know that. The state party may not have told you that. In this last election, even there were donations going to some of our candidates, i.e. Gabe Evans, that were that were running through like the Arizona GOP, by the way, you know, not not through our own state because they wouldn’t trust it with they wouldn’t trust it with the money coming through here.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that’s all done. They’re going to be much more involved. I think we now will have a very peaceful, happy relationship with the National Party, the RNC. And that’s really good. Got to keep in mind, the National Party includes the U.S. House of Representatives. Okay, we have four members in the U.S. House of Representatives here in Colorado, four Republicans, right? All four wanted Dave Gaughan. So therefore means that means all four did not support Laurie Sane, okay, who was going to be the next Dave. All right. So all four of them are very happy that Britta Horne and her team are now in place. So I think what we’re going to, first of all, just by removing the dividers, we’re going to have a much more unifying, peaceful time. But they’re not done. And I know what they’re going to do next to try to get power back. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, everything you just said, can’t disagree with any of that. I think it’ll be interesting to see what the state party actually does and even what they have to say about what’s been going on and the relief that they have to have with moving forward, that they didn’t have to step in and do anything too drastic to make this happen. But what do you feel is going to happen next?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I guarantee you what’s going to happen next. We saw it up in Weld when Dave tried to place a bunch of people in voting positions. Now, you think about your precinct leader, right? The person who leads your precinct. And you think, oh, man, what a selfless person. And they are. They’re wonderful people. They’re doing a hard, thankless job. And every election season, they’ve got to organize people together in their precinct and get them together, not just for caucus, but also for election. you know, getting out the vote and walking neighborhoods and all this, right? Right. It’s a lot of work. Well, those precinct leaders are votes for county leadership. Okay. Each precinct leader, they get to vote on who is the county leader. Now, it is very easy to place somebody in precinct leader leadership. Why? Because many of the precincts have no leaders.
SPEAKER 05 :
Easy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. So here’s what they’re going to do. They are going to find their people throughout the state in precinct after precinct. And there are thousands or hundreds of them. I’m sorry, just hundreds and hundreds of precincts. And they are going to find people in every empty one and say, step up. And become a precinct leader. Don’t tell them what you’re about or anything. Just say, man, I just want to help. I want to volunteer. And they are going to have them all mobilized. And they are going to seize those precinct positions. And they are going to have more votes. And next time we come around to reorganization meeting, they are going to vote in more Davidians into place. who will then go forward and vote at the next SEC meeting on leadership. And this is how they are going to target removing Britta Horne. They’re not going to do it by trying to win hearts and minds, by trying to help Republicans get elected, by doing the job of the party. They’re not going to do any of that. They’re going to place people in precinct leader positions throughout the state, especially in the big counties. And I guarantee you they’re going to try and do it at Weld. If I were Weld County, the very first thing I would do, Weld County leadership, if you are listening, every single one of these people that the state party recommended for those positions. Don’t ever put them in any position of leadership. They should be barred from leadership going forward. And ordinarily, I never say do a purge.
SPEAKER 05 :
But, folks, I’m telling you— That’s not a purge. That’s just a not letting them in.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. I’m telling you— Leadership-wise. Yeah. The leadership of the party two years from now is at stake right now, starting right now. And they demonstrated when they said they had to get them in place before your vote— They demonstrated flat out that they were simply trying to seize control, don’t let them.
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SPEAKER 05 :
And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. You want to add something to what you were saying a moment ago?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, the only thing I would add, John, is because I guarantee you that is what they’re going to do to try to seize power again, and they will do it well. There is only one response to this. You don’t want to be the leadership that says we’re going to ban people. Right. But you’d better start recruiting people who are like-minded, who are unifying, who do not believe – in having a state party leadership that attacks its own candidates. You’ve got to start, look, and I know the Brita people, they don’t want to get involved in all this. It feels divisive. But I’m telling you right now, if any of you are listening right now, Brita people, You have to right now start recruiting precinct leaders across the state in county after county after county to step forward and lead the way. Otherwise, you’re going to get overwhelmed at the next vote.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I can’t argue that, Andy. I mean, again, this is all strategy. I hate to even say that. Yeah, but it’s strategy. It’s what has to happen. It’s kind of the inside baseball of things and how things work and so on. Again, it’ll be an interesting time. There’s a lot on the plate for this particular leadership now that’s coming in. It’ll be interesting to see, and hopefully it won’t take long for them to get in and get established and start moving forward. And I say that because time is limited. Time is limited. And people think, well, geez, John, no, we don’t have an election until 2026. Andy, how far away is that? Not far. In regards to the political end of things.
SPEAKER 09 :
Politically, John, I’d like you to blink your eyes. It’s here.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it goes by really fast. Yeah. And keep in mind, you’re talking about, again, a governor’s race and the Hickenlooper Senate seat, which will be up for re-election. And he’s going to do his hardest to make sure he wins that one again and again. Do I think Hickenlooper is beatable? Yes, with the right candidate, although he is a Colorado guy. He’s been a previous governor. He runs under the radar on a lot of things. He doesn’t make a lot of waves. He’s an easy shoe in unless we get somebody really that will go after him and attack him for some of the things like illegal immigration and sanctuary cities and some of those things, which, by the way, right now, Andy, are hot topics.
SPEAKER 09 :
Look, the bottom line is this person has to be three things. Number one, well-funded. Number two, highly eloquent. And number three, they must reach out to the middle effectively without making the base feel abandoned. That’s the tightrope they’ve got to walk.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and that’s true, by the way, on both sides of that, in both of those elections, both sides, whether it’s the governor side or it’s the Senate seat. And by the way, this kind of applies to a lot of the other positions that will be open across the state as well. But those two in particular, everything Andy just said, you know, my point is. And I know I’ve said this, and I know there’s been some names that have been, you know, some names that have been thrown into the ring. They’ve thrown their hat into the ring. And the reality is, as much as I respect some of these individuals that have thrown their hat into the ring, Scott Bottoms out of Colorado Springs, for example. Scott’s unelectable as governor.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sorry. And Scott, if you’re listening. And we love him. I love you, Scott. And I love your principles. You’re a lot like me. I’m unelectable. Yeah, I’m unelectable too. Scott, you would have my vote, but it doesn’t matter. But not enough to win the governorship of Colorado.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s the problem. No. And I’m going to tell you right out, I’m going to vote for someone in the primary who I think can win in the general.
SPEAKER 05 :
Andy, we have to or we’re going to lose. Right. Another hour coming your way. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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The Rich Guy.
