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Join John Rush and Andy Pate in Rush to Reason as they dive deep into the economic maneuvers that signify a paradigm shift for the U.S. From illuminating Trump’s savvy understanding of leverage to discussing the ripple effects of his policies on international economies, this episode unravels the intricate layers of modern trade. The dialogue also highlights the often-misunderstood legacy of Trump’s administration in ensuring America’s competitive edge in global markets, questioning the motivations behind global economic policies and their long-term implications.
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This is Rush to Reason.
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You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you’re scared. And you’re scared because if you try and fail, there’s only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes.
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With your host, John Rush.
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did.
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Get a job, sir. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same, and there’s a big difference.
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Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, hour number two. And just really quick to continue on with some of the tariff talk and all of that, which is a big deal. And it is a big deal because the news media makes it a big deal. Donald Trump can’t do anything correct when it comes to tariffs. The news media and the left would have been happy just leaving things alone. Let the American population and the American public keep getting fleeced when it comes to tariffs. tariffs and goods and so on reality is nobody until donald trump cared enough about it to do anything about it uh let all these countries run all over us and again folks keep in mind that the left’s idea of america is we’re the evil enterprise that needs to be shut down anyway so of course they’re not going to go to bat for america and or the people of america because we’re the most evil nation on planet earth according to the left right you know why fight for us andy
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I agree. I totally agree. You know, I think a lot of people look at Donald Trump and they think, well, he’s all about build the wall, build the wall and immigration and so forth. What they don’t seem to understand is that’s a new thing for him. His almost lifelong passion has been to make it so we are not ripped off on trade deals anymore. This way predates his thoughts on immigration. This is his crusade.
SPEAKER 11 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
And he’s winning it. I mean, he’s waited his whole life to do this for America. This means everything to him. I don’t think people understand what this means to him.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and again, rightfully so. We have been literally fleeced over the decades with a lot of – and I’ve used this example a lot. I know there’s more, but just the one simple example is German cars, whereby we were tariffing them at 5% coming into America. So keep in mind, even an expensive German car now is going to cost 10% more than it did prior because there was already a 5% tariff there. So reality is we’ve been taxing them at about 5% for their cars coming in.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
All said and done, though, and they don’t tell you this because they don’t talk to you about the different fees and taxes and so on that happen when you take an American car and then go back into Germany, but it ends up being more like 25% to 30%. We’ve been getting screwed when it comes to that end of things, folks. And I’m talking one particular item, and there’s multiple examples of others. That one’s just the easiest for people to wrap their brain around because that’s the reality, and that’s why there’s not a lot of American cars and trucks, you know, Chevy Silverados, Ford F-150s, and so on. There’s not a lot of those imported into Germany because of that fact. Right. Because of what I just said.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Look, here’s my prediction. Well, first of all, the tariff end of that is going to zero. Correct. I mean, my gosh, zero tariffs for our products going there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Meaning you are probably going to see some even other dealerships and so on pop up in some foreign countries when it comes to selling some of the things that we haven’t really been able to sell there because it just wasn’t competitive to do so.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, here’s a question, though. What about hate? And what I mean is this. A lot of the European countries, their citizens have got to be feeling a lot like Canada’s right now, bitter. They’ve been living off America for decades. They’ve been living off. They have been basically floating their economies by screwing America for decades now.
SPEAKER 11 :
And laughing all the way to the bank.
SPEAKER 06 :
And laughing all the way to the bank. And now they can’t, John. And now they’re really, really mad. So will they buy our products? Yes. Well… Because in Canada, I don’t think Canadians are going to want to buy our products, at least for a while.
SPEAKER 11 :
Until it gets to the point where it’s painful. Pain is a mighty… I agree. It is a mighty… How do you want to say this, Andy? Motivator. It’s a big… motivator yeah that’s what i meant to say so it’s a it’s a large motivator pain is uh it’s why you know once you put your hand on the stove once you don’t do it a second time because that pain you had the first time is a motivation to not do it again right andy oh great so the reality is in some cases yes you’re not going to see some of these people do things when it comes to american products they’re going to be very bitter they’re just no no matter what they’re not going to do it until they start looking at their pocketbook and saying gosh I can buy that item for X or I can buy this item for Y and X is way cheaper. Well, guess what? They’re going to start buying X at some point.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. It’s going to be really interesting to see how the cars things goes. First of all, we’re going to have to sell smaller vehicles by and large over there in Europe because of the way the roads are.
SPEAKER 11 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. I mean, tight winding little areas, tiny places to park in London and Paris and these places. Let’s face it. It’s a very backward thing. The continent.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, it is.
SPEAKER 06 :
It almost feels like Europe, though, in this deal, just paid us back for World War II.
SPEAKER 11 :
Which they should. They should pay us back. Because we saved their rear.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, just a bit. I don’t understand, but it’s going to be interesting. I believe in the car end. I think the higher-end cars, they’re just going to pass along the cost because millionaires don’t care what they pay for a high-end car. If they want a Mercedes, they’re getting it. I think on the cheaper ones, Volkswagen, Jetta, and those things, I believe that Volkswagen will eat. most or all of the tariff because they can’t charge 15% more for a Turing.
SPEAKER 11 :
They’re not going to sell it. And or like I told Andy at break, which you guys didn’t hear, either that or they’ll build a plant here, which is ultimately that’s Trump’s goal when it’s all said and done is, okay, instead of building whatever car it is you’re building there, let’s have you build it here. And by the way, we’ll help you. We’ll help you fast track getting your plant built and so on. We’ll make that happen for you. And by the way, I think Trump could also even say some things along the lines of, okay, tell you what, The minute we get all of your approvals and you break ground, knowing that you’re going to actually build that plant now, no more tariffs on said vehicle coming in since we’ve agreed now. So in other words, we’re going to give you some time to get your plant built, and we’ll do a zero tariff on that Jetta that’s not being built in America that’s now being built in Germany.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. And if you hold up and delay building the plant, guess what? The tariffs come back. Tariffs go back. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
There’s all sorts of ways to work around this.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is the thing about Donald Trump. He is going to negotiate on our behalf the entire time. And what’s really sad, John. is all these presidents we’ve had, Republican and Democrat, who didn’t. How could they see that they had the most leverage of anybody in the world because of the American consumer? The American consumer, it was the crown jewel of the entire world, and they acted like it was garbage.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because, Andy, this is my belief. They let us be taken to the cleaners all these years. Because the majority of them, and this is where folks don’t give Donald Trump near enough credit. Donald Trump actually is very smart in the economic end of things, not only because of his own businesses, but because of what he studied in college. He understands economics and economy very well, more than probably. I think I’m fair in saying this. He probably knows it better in our time than any other president that’s come before him. Easily. And the problem with the other presidents, Andy, is they relied too much on the people advising them on what needed to happen in the economy. He doesn’t need that advising. In fact, he’s probably advising a lot of the advisors on if we do this, this is what will happen. If we make this deal, this is what the repercussions are going to be. He’s probably schooling. Donald Trump is probably schooling the advisors more on that end of things than they are him. Where in the past, Andy, it’s been the other way around. And that’s why they haven’t made those deals happen, because the advisors are dumb.
SPEAKER 06 :
True, although one big difference is that Donald Trump has hired much better advisors. He has brilliant people working for him. Donald Trump is not a numbers nerd. He understands one big word, John, that was not understood by all these other presidents, and it’s called leverage. I have it. He knows the feel. When I go into a deal, when I go into this session, I know where I’ve got the leverage, where I don’t have the leverage. I know the hot points. I know the weak points. George Bush had absolutely no clue where any of this
SPEAKER 11 :
But you also have to be smart enough to know what are the things we need as a country at the end of the day, economically speaking, to make these deals even work. In other words, where are, to your point, those hot points? What do I need to be pushing on?
SPEAKER 06 :
And he knows internationally where those things are.
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He’s a nerd on that. He understands, and he understands bringing that back home. These are the things, economically speaking, that will help drive our country and drive our economy. I firmly believe that most other presidents have no clue how that works.
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I agree.
SPEAKER 11 :
Zilch. No clue. Well, I could go back in time and look, but I don’t think it’d be too hard pressed to go back too far. I’m not sure that any presidents in our lifetime, Andy, I got to think back on this. Even going all the way back to in my lifetime, it started with Johnson. I don’t think there’s a single president that ever wrote a paycheck before Donald Trump in my lifetime.
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Not that I know of.
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If I roll through every single president, I don’t think a single one of them, some of their family members may have done that and written some paychecks, but I don’t think until Donald Trump, a single president ever wrote a paycheck and understood what payroll is even about.
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It’s incredible. It’s absolutely incredible what we are watching right now. This is an utter transformation of the entire country. Like I said, guys, we need a fifth head at Rushmore if this continues. I’m not kidding. I am not kidding.
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This is a complete revolution. It is. It is. It’s going to change the entire makeup of the country. One last thing before we go to break that I want to make sure people also realize is because this is the other thing I’ve heard is, oh, you know what? Once Donald Trump’s out, we’ll just go back to the way things were when we get the next guy in. Here’s what’s going to happen, though, folks. That could be true. although that won’t happen because once these deals get set and these other countries start paying their dues and that starts happening over the next three years and you start realizing how much different things are with the deals that have been made, the next guy or gal, no matter what side of the aisle they’re on, is going to rock that boat, much like Joe Biden. didn’t rock the boat with China. He kept their tariffs in place that Donald Trump had put in prior to him. So no, folks, the next president’s not going to come in and change anything.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it’s going to be Vance anyway. Vance and Rubio is going to be the new presidential ticket. And they’re going to do exactly what Trump is doing because they’re loving every minute of it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Even if it were Newsom. Okay. Let’s just go that way. He still couldn’t throw out everything Trump is doing. No, because you start looking at the actual repercussions of what happened and what it did positively for the country, and you’re not going to be dumb enough to change that no matter what happens.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. I’m just saying it’s going to be bad. For those that are out there, because there’s those on the left.
SPEAKER 11 :
I agree with you. I’ve seen these comments where some of the folks on the left say, oh, well, you know what? We’ll just have to put up with it for the next three years, and we’ll be back to normal when we win again in 2028. Yeah, no, you won’t.
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No.
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That’s not going to change. No. This end of it, folks, is once you start going down that path of, oh, wow, these things actually worked, and we’ve earned how much money in the past three years off of doing these things? Yeah, it’s not going to change. And inflation didn’t skyrocket like Jerome Powell thought it would? Yeah, no. We’re going to just keep doing this the way we’ve been doing it then.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, if Jerome Powell were to lower interest rates by a point… Oh, geez.
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Don’t get me started.
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That is the only thing. Only thing holding us back right now.
SPEAKER 11 :
Donald Trump says that as well. That is not one thing that I would agree with Donald Trump on, but that is one thing that I will second him on all day long. He is spot on. He is 1,000% correct. Jerome Powell, especially in the housing market, is holding things back on purpose just to poke Donald Trump in the eye. Oh, yeah. That’s all he’s doing. Only reason he’s doing it. All right, veteran windows and doors coming up next. There might be an Energy Star rating change coming in the first of the year. We’re not sure exactly how that’s going to work out. Talk to Dave today. Find out how that might affect you and your window decision, your window purchase decision. Find it today by just going to klzradio.com.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy and I were talking through the break, and I want to add this in because I think while this is funny, maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, but for 50-plus years… The Marxist movement has dumbed down math in this country to the point where, and I’ve said it on the show, I’ve been saying this now for over a decade. We have dumbed down math so that, A, people don’t know what a trillion dollars is. So we can be $32 trillion, almost $33 trillion now in debt, and nobody bats an eye because nobody even knows what that number is, Andy. Right. On top of that, people can’t do anything. checkbooks and so on and so forth so the reality is they just don’t know math they don’t understand it and I was making fun and laughing with Andy a moment ago where you know personally as a talk show host I may not know how to say when I read the word coyote Coyote. Coyote, however you, whatever. Again, I may not do that correctly, may not even know how to pronounce it when I read this, when I see the spelling of, because it’s not my forte. But I tell you what I can do. Give me a P&L for any business, especially any small business, and I’ll tell you where the problems are and what needs fixed and how to tackle that and make it work because I know math. So I may not know Coyote, but I know math. And the problem, Andy, though, in the country is far too many people know Coyote, but they don’t know how to do math.
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they’ve no idea that’s our problem this is you know john and also this is a real lesson for the libertarians as i call them the libertarian party because you’ve got so many libertarians out there who are complaining and saying there are these purists who support thomas massey and they say But Trump is still putting through way too much spending. He’s overspending. And we still have this much in terms of, I’m sorry, deficit going forward, which, by the way, won’t be nearly as bad because of growth. But even setting that aside, they’re saying he’s still spending way too much on a number of things. You know what? They’re right. I agree. But what they don’t seem to understand is this, John, and I keep trying to tell them this. We’re talking several decades. It’s more than 50 years. We’re talking 60 to 80 years that the public education system has dumbed down the American populace so badly that the American populace now, the average voter, is very much in favor. of piling debt on our children to prop up our economy today.
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That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And if they think that you can put through a purist version of a bill or break it down into 12 bills and just cut out everything you don’t like, you put that through, here’s what’s going to happen in the next election cycle. The Democrats will win in a landslide. Why? Because most Americans, most Americans are looking at the government and saying, we want you to steal for us and make us feel good about it. And if you don’t, we will hire Democrats to do it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, where’s my payday?
SPEAKER 06 :
Give me, give me, give me. Where’s my payday? Well, yeah, but this is coming out of your kids’ credit cards. They don’t care. They don’t care. They don’t care. Well, I don’t believe that. I choose to deny that. Why? Because I’ve spent 60 to 80 years being taught math isn’t real. Okay? They can’t do math. They don’t understand.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s not two plus two is four. It’s how do you feel about two plus two.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s what we’re teaching kids today, Andy. Oh, it’s five? Okay, well, if you think it’s five, that’s okay. We’ll make it five then.
SPEAKER 06 :
Five feels better on my checkbook. I think I’m going to do that.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m going to make it five, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, yeah. This is how Americans vote. And for the libertarians out there, this hurts me to say this. I know I get angry at them, but I actually love them because I actually agree with them on all of this. I want to see entitlements virtually eliminated. Me too. Okay? I want to see these things privatized. I want to see so many things done. That would absolutely have us roaring at a surplus quickly. And we would pay down that deficit very quickly. Okay. I agree. Americans wouldn’t stomach it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Not going to happen.
SPEAKER 06 :
They want to rob their children.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’ve said that on this program. So I’ve been on here now 11 plus years. I’ve been saying it since the beginning that it’s not going to happen. That is wishful thinking, but it’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. Americans want to rob their children. There are even a lot of Americans. You’re talking close to 50 percent right now. Overall, Americans support what Trump is doing with the border and deportations. OK, but there is a huge number out there that are actually worried about. Well, yeah, but you’re getting a little too rough at times. These people are here. They invaded a nation and they don’t want to go. And you think you can remove them without any force? What are you kidding?
SPEAKER 11 :
Any repercussions?
SPEAKER 06 :
Without any repercussions that you can do it all clean and neat and happy? What, do you think they’re going to dance? You think you’re going to play like the Pied Piper and they’re going to dance their way across the border and leave? Guys, this is going to be hard. This is why you need a Tom Holman. Getting back to economics, this is why you need real economics.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And Americans, like you said, John, they don’t know math.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they’re not going to vote that way. So to all you libertarians out there, guys, I love you. I agree with you on the numbers. They won’t vote that way, and this is why you’ve got to turn that barge slowly.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right. No, that’s exactly right. And, Andy, when it comes to the economic end of things, like we were saying, the reason why – I feel bad because it’s not – in a lot of cases, it’s not the fault of the adult who was a student at one time that was taught this way and so on. No. Maybe you could blame their parents, although when you start talking about this generationally speaking, the parents don’t know any better because they didn’t know. So they didn’t have any idea what the kid was being taught because they didn’t know any different. Right. At the end of the day, there’s a small percentage of Americans that really understand math and economics and what Trump’s doing right now. That’s the problem. And by the way, that includes a very, very little, if any, folk in the press. Very little.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, I can tell you academia did it on purpose.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Remember, I was raised on the hardcore left. My dad was a hardcore left winger, still is.
SPEAKER 11 :
This was done by design.
SPEAKER 06 :
He was my principal. My brother has a master’s degree also in education. They both do. Both of them are fully invested along with all of their brethren in academia. They knew that they were teaching nonsense because they knew they were programming kids to want socialism. And that is all they cared about.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
They wanted to make generations of people dependent on the government because they couldn’t be independent because they could not operate on their own. That’s right. And it worked.
SPEAKER 11 :
It did, and that’s where – and this is one thing – you guys know me. I’ll praise Trump where praise is due, and I’ll be critical of Trump where that’s due. And if there’s anything that I think Donald Trump is a little naive in is thinking that the average American thinks like him. They don’t. They think completely the opposite of him, especially when it comes to business dealings, finances, economics, growth, things along those lines, Andy. He’s assuming that people are a lot smarter than they are, and that’s one of the assumptions he has wrong.
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree. I absolutely agree. Trump is always thinking people love this, love this. They’re going to love everything. They love it. They love it all. They love it. You know what? They should love it.
SPEAKER 11 :
They should is the key word.
SPEAKER 06 :
What Trump is doing right now economically for our future is the greatest stuff that has been done by a president in easily over a century. Easily. Okay, easily. and yet most Americans don’t get it. Right now, his handling of the economy, he’s underwater by 10 to 12%. It’s incredible. These people are so stupid, it is breathtaking.
SPEAKER 11 :
What he just did in the last big, beautiful bill in regards to some of the tax things that he did to help out… You know, all Americans, by the way, not just, you know, wealthy Americans, but all Americans and what he did to help small businesses and even the no tax on tips and on down the line we go. I mean, some of the things that he did is is inspirational. And yet most people have no idea how that’s going to affect them at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 06 :
Last thing before we go to break, do you have any question at the rate things are going that by early next summer or even late next spring, we are going to be in an economic boom?
SPEAKER 11 :
One factor. The Fed. It’s coming out tomorrow. What does the Fed do? That’s the only thing. To your point. There’s only one roadblock.
SPEAKER 06 :
But is he enough of a roadblock to stop all this? I mean, he can stop a lot.
SPEAKER 11 :
He is crushing housing. When it comes to the housing end of things, which is a big part of what we do as a country, because we are a country that believes in home ownership. Rightfully so, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
At that point, should he fire him?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, he’s gone early spring anyways.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s not soon enough, not for the elections.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s not soon enough for me either, Andy, and it’s not soon enough for elections because it doesn’t give things enough time to really recover for the election cycle. I don’t know. I mean, I guess we’ll know more tomorrow. As to what, I don’t think he’s going to lower rates tomorrow. If any, it’ll be a quarter point, but I don’t think they’re even going to do anything. I think he stays steady. The biggest question is going to be, what’s his speech after, say? That’ll be the bigger thing about Jerome Powell and whether he’s indicating at all that he’s going to do anything the latter quarter of the year or not. And that’ll be, we’ll know tomorrow night at this time.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jerome Powell has become an all-out enemy of America.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’ve said it numerous times. He doesn’t care about Main Street. No. I’m not sure he cares about Wall Street, to be real honest with you. I think Jerome Powell cares about Jerome Powell. Jerome Powell right now cares about—I hate to say this, Andy. He hates Trump. He’s an angry old man that wants to make sure that he is right, and he hates Trump, and he’s bound and determined to show that he’s right and Trump isn’t. And you know what? The rest of the country be damned. He does not care. Right. I’m sorry. That’s his attitude. He wants to force Trump— to be wrong that’s right he does not care about the american public or america itself at all jerome and for those of you that think jerome powell is great let me tell you what he he’s not i just said it i said it and i’ll keep saying it he doesn’t care about america one iota andy not at all if he did he would have already made some changes i agree and by the way for those of you that don’t believe me he made those changes under joe biden but he won’t do it under donald trump proving my point
SPEAKER 06 :
No, this is personal.
SPEAKER 11 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, John, let’s take a break from all this finance talk, okay?
SPEAKER 11 :
Sounds good.
SPEAKER 06 :
I want to talk a little Hollywood. As you know, I do movie reviews every Friday. By the way, this Friday, I’m looking forward to The Naked Gun.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ve been looking forward to this for quite a while, as you know. But last week, I reviewed the movie Fantastic Four First Steps. Now, this stars a guy named Pedro Pascal, who is a very, very big actor right now in Hollywood. He’s everywhere. He’s in everything. And as you know, he is a very, very, very hateful, angry, anti-Trump kind of guy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the reason I’m going to talk about this is I want to read some of what he had to say just in the last day or two. I look at these people and I just want to wonder, why don’t you understand that half your market is who you’re ripping on? Okay. I always put up the great example for me as Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise just says flat out, I’m not talking politics. I’m here to do a job. Right. And I do this job serving the customer. The customer, who is it? Everyone. All right. All right. Here we go. Pedro Pascal’s post-opening weekend. Rant. All right. Now, after claiming Trump and MAGA fans somehow can’t handle a woman centered movie. OK, because the mom in this movie is basically seen as the center of it. I don’t really think so. But that’s Sue Storm. Anyway. After saying that MAGA fans heard him, Pascal continued. Here we go. I hear such nonsense from fans that our film is underperforming. And look, I think those claims are just coming from typical MAGA right-wing crazies that really don’t understand how this industry really works. For the record, I hear no MAGA people saying this. Understand that this is not your movie. This is a film’s vision provided by Kevin Feige and the creatives who really wanted to change up the source material a bit. Actually, no, John, who comes first in business?
SPEAKER 11 :
Customer.
SPEAKER 06 :
The customer, yes. So he’s wrong, okay. But to hear, going back to him, but to hear the fans call this a box office failure after less than one week of release is typical MAGA behavior, coming from those that just don’t want female leaders in films and television. I mean, does this guy, is he off his rocker?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, continuing. And this is the problem that we are dealing with today in our society and from government run by Trump. This is exactly why Sinema is dying and why I think Kevin is doing a great job by saving it. MAGA and Trump just need to lay low and stop depriving cinema, depriving cinema. Uh, fantastic four is our greatest success yet. And it’s quite honestly going to be bigger than Avengers end game. Okay. First of all, no, it isn’t. No, but that’s hilarious. He’s talking just like Trump biggest ever. This is going to be the biggest, greatest ever. Um, so he says it’s going to be bigger than end game because of how serious we made this movie out to be and how it needed to be done to change Marvel fans.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
Change us. Why do liberals always want to change their customer? Because they want to be in control. Yeah, it just blows my mind. Not much left here. Here we go. As a male feminist, right there. Okay, then. As a male feminist, we need characters like Shalabal, who was the silver surfer. Shalabal and Sue, who is the star woman, to be the main focus in this film. Then he stammers a little bit. And then he says, at the end of the day, this is Sue’s movie. No one cares. Okay. And finally, later on in the interview, he goes, fans just don’t understand the industry. All you have to do is look at the numbers to know that this is a success, whether haters or MAGA like it or not. John, you counsel businesses. What would you say to Pedro Pascal right now?
SPEAKER 11 :
You’re a moron.
SPEAKER 06 :
What are you doing? Shut up. First of all,
SPEAKER 11 :
You’re running off half of your clientele.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
And by the way, why would you do that?
SPEAKER 06 :
He’s worrying about nothing.
SPEAKER 11 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
I got a few quick points. Number one, neither Trump nor anyone on his team has ever mentioned this movie. He’s fighting against no one. Nobody on Trump’s team has said anything about the Fantastic Four. Number two, I’m MAGA, and I gave it four out of five stars. I said it was a good movie. Go see it. Right? And some other conservative critics, you know what they said? Good movie. We like it. In fact, we think it has good values. Go see it. Number three, Sue Storm was actually not that dominant in this movie. She was maybe the leader, maybe not. But, John, it certainly showed a mama bear’s fury. But how is motherhood against the pro-life MAGA movement? Am I missing something? Okay. How is female empowerment against MAGA push to remove biological men from women’s sports and locker rooms? Where do they get this idea that MAGA is somehow anti-woman?
SPEAKER 11 :
Because they are.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. They’re nuts.
SPEAKER 11 :
They’re nuts. And they are. The reason I say they’re anti-woman is because anybody that thinks that you can change from a man to a woman and then approve that, you’re a wackadoodle.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. You can’t. And Fantastic Four honored women and men and the differences and so forth. It had fun with it. I don’t understand what he was talking about. And here’s the biggest thing. The movie didn’t do that bad, John. It did fine. Was it great? No. Did it do badly? No. The opening box office weekend was domestically 118 million, I believe. Now, that’s a bit low from projections, but not awful. It was once projected to go over 150, but early projections usually are a little high. All right. And then they get scaled back. And then the projections slid down to under one, you know, down to 120, 125. Some even said lower. It hit 118. Okay, it’s a little low. It’s no big deal. It’s not great. It’s not terrible. He’s freaking out over nothing. His movie did fine. It’s going to do fine. It’s not a liberal movie at all. If anything, it leans right. Okay? It’s a very pro-life movie.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right? And there is nothing woke in his movie. I don’t know. Why? Because woman empowerment?
SPEAKER 11 :
So what’s he all whining about?
SPEAKER 06 :
What is liberal about woman empowerment? Look at Trump. He is surrounded by powerful women.
SPEAKER 11 :
So why do you think he started all this in the first place?
SPEAKER 06 :
You ever heard of Tulsi? My gosh, I have no idea. Well, I think I’m starting to think this. Maybe Pedro Pascal is trying to gin this up to get more liberals to want to go see it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, OK.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s also.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it’s also bizarre. I don’t understand because I’m looking at this saying, number one, your movie is not doing that bad. Number two, there are no conservatives out there saying, gee, we don’t want to see a movie where Sue Storm plays a big role.
SPEAKER 11 :
Until now.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, we like Sue Storm.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because of what you just ranted and raved about.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You just made a pro-life, non-woke superhero movie. Why would we complain? And number three, literally nobody in MAGA is complaining about your movie, dude. What are you doing? Nobody cares. We’re fine. We like your movie. Now, do I think it’s great? No. But I think it’s good. It gets a little silly at times, especially toward the end.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that’s an example, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Whatever.
SPEAKER 11 :
And this is something that I consult businesses with at times. What we perceive to be a certain way is not. And so owners will get this perception that something is X when, frankly, it’s Y. It isn’t X. They perceive it to be X, but it’s not. And that’s exactly what’s happening with him. He’s feeling or thinking that it’s one way when, in fact, it’s the other.
SPEAKER 06 :
Do you think, John, that – and this is why Tom Cruise is so rare. Do you think that these truly gifted actors or creators, directors, writers, actors – and he is gifted. I like Pedro Pascal. I think he’s a good actor. I don’t like all his movies. Some are good. Some are bad. But I like him. I think he’s very talented. Do you think they get so talented – in their craft, and they get so worshipped by fans that they start to look down on the fans as the little people. And I can talk down to you, and I know it’s good for you, and I know what you should want, and I can invent this outrage from MAGA because I want it to be there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I think that’s right. Pete in Evergreen, go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Hey, Pedro Pascal was the guy that got Gina Carano fired from… Yeah, great guy, huh? Yeah, because he went basically to the producers and said, either she goes or I go, because she’s MAGA, she’s a Nazi, et cetera. And they know that that movie that he’s in is going to make money. They’re going to make bank. They’re going to make back their investment. So the investors are totally okay with him yapping his flap. If he was doing an indie film or something where the profit margins were much tighter and they were much more worried about recouping their money, uh… investment i think he’d be much quieter because the producers would tell him to shut up and uh… and andy i totally disagree with you i will not see that film that’s not as pedro pascal within it and and that the thing is they laugh when people go hey you know the guy talks smack about marga he hates trump he hates conservative But, gee, let’s go see his film. Okay. And they laugh at that. They laugh at that. They know that they can say whatever they want, and you’ll still put your money down. See, I won’t.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m more like you, Pete. I won’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but Pete, Pete, Pete, let me talk to you. Let me set aside the movie critic part of me and just be Andy for a moment. I feel the same. OK, now, when I when I give a movie stars and recommend it or not recommend it, I’m simply doing it for the quality for general audiences. Do I believe that they would enjoy this? And I also always want to warn audiences of the content, good or bad. The content in this was actually quite conservative, especially on abortion. And it wasn’t woke at all. So I’m going to be honest about that. Now, setting all that aside, Andy, the moviegoer, if I were not a movie critic, would I go to this movie? No, because I can’t stand Pedro Pascal. Right. And I wouldn’t go as a protest against him.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, and if I were a movie reviewer, and by the way, I did used to review movies a long time ago, and I will tell you this, I would always flip in the review, hey, if you go and you don’t know anything about the actors, great, and it’s an okay movie, they’re not going to posture or do any sort of… you know, signaling. But I’m going to tell you this right now. It has Pedro Pascal in it, who’s a vile human being, and his brother is messed up, and he supports it. His brother is a transsexual, a man pretending he’s a woman.
SPEAKER 06 :
By the way, I discussed… By the way, in my review on Friday, I did…
SPEAKER 13 :
support him in the movie and give this guy money.
SPEAKER 06 :
Pete, in my review on Friday, I did say what a horrible person Pedro Pascal is.
SPEAKER 11 :
And his brother and all of that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, so absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thanks, guys. No, you’re spot on. I feel the same as Pete. And I don’t have to go, so I don’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. There are actors and actresses. I just you know, another one that I just it would be absolutely a living hell for me to go see is De Niro. He has become so disgusting. Yeah, I’m with you.
SPEAKER 11 :
There’s there was a new movie or new series out on Netflix or something that I was going to watch. And actually, Charlie said it was really a good series and all that. But I just can’t get over that part of it. I just there’s certain people where knowing who they are, it’s just like I can’t watch that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, John, you are a customer. Right. Okay. Forget movies for a moment. Think it’s Lowe’s or Home Depot. Would you want to go into the one where you know the person behind the counter hates you?
SPEAKER 11 :
No. Why would I want to do that?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. You go to the other one. You’d even pay a little more. Okay? That’s how I feel about the movies. I don’t want to go to a movie where I know the person hates me. Another one where it became that way was Jim Carrey, who became so absolutely fixated on hating conservatives that it became difficult for me. Robin Williams was another one who became so fixated on hating conservatives. Obviously, Whoopi Goldberg, but she didn’t do much by that point.
SPEAKER 11 :
But I won’t watch a Whoopi movie anymore. No, of course not. Even some of the ones she was in back in the day that were actually good movies.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sister Act was a classic. It was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER 11 :
I won’t watch it today because of that. I can’t stand her.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. She’s so repulsive. So, yeah, I totally agree with what Pete’s saying. But on Friday when I do a review, though, it’s for general audiences.
SPEAKER 11 :
And there are certain Marvel groupies, I guess you could say, that are going to go watch that movie no matter what. And that’s the reality, right? Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And a lot of people who are going to, okay, if somebody’s going to be tuning in, Okay, this Friday, and they’re going to be listening to my naked gun review. Liam Neeson is actually another one of these people who absolutely despises us. Okay. But you’re going to have a lot of naked gun groupies are going to be listening to this. And do they want to hear Andy Pate go off on Liam Neeson and tell them and turn it into a political hour and tell them why not to go to this movie because of Liam?
SPEAKER 11 :
No. They want to know how good the movie is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. They’re going to say, what do you mean? I watch Take and I enjoy Liam. I don’t care. Right. Okay. So I got to do that. It’s a balance.
SPEAKER 11 :
Unfortunately, some of these guys, to your point earlier, Andy, and unfortunately some of them haven’t figured out some of the things that you’re talking about. Some have. I mean, some, you know, you wouldn’t know what are their politics. You know, I don’t know. You have to go look it up because they never talk about it. You know what? That’s because they understand the market and what needs to happen there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is not a right winger, but he doesn’t say a thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Tom Cruise, Dwayne Johnson, I could roll off several where you just don’t know where their politics are. They’re most likely on the left, but you don’t know because they don’t talk about it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Which is the way it’s supposed to be.
SPEAKER 06 :
They’re on the left, but they’re not hardcore and they don’t get in your face.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, they understand that I just want to make money at the end of the day. Mark Wahlberg. Now, why are they on the left? That’s a whole other conversation I can’t answer. Yeah, exactly. Because really, the left is trying to take more money out of their pockets, so why would you want to be on their side? That part I’ve never understood. But the left is typically more artsy, fartsy, all that kind of stuff. That’s typically more of the left. Am I right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. It’s a very right-brained activity. It’s not people who are into math, John.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it’s an anti-math deal, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Anti-science, yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
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TJ here with KLZ Radio, and I’ve got Al Smith with me once again. How are you, Al? I’m doing great. How are you, TJ? Doing pretty good. We’ve been talking about retirement and all that kind of stuff, and I was just curious, what do you usually talk about with the folks that come in for retirement planning? What does that mean?
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SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
If someone takes a big reduction in their pension, that’s what they need to do in order to have a spouse collect part of their pension should they pass on. But that reduction in their pension will only benefit them if the primary worker dies before the spouse. Sometimes people choose life insurance instead. which may not provide quite as much financial benefit, but there’s a certainty that the money will stay in their family.
SPEAKER 14 :
And is that always a good idea to do, or how do you help folks make that decision?
SPEAKER 10 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
You can reach me at my office, 303-744-1128. If you get voicemail, I return those very quickly.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
All right. Rush to Reason, Debra’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. I was going to talk about this yesterday. Didn’t get a chance to do it, so I think I’ll squeeze it in now. And some of you have been texting me about this because I had talked about this in the past. I think actually Andy and I had talked about it. And there’s a lot to this, so I’ll talk about it now. Might come back to this tomorrow a little bit more. But Palmer Lake finally announced a deal with Buc-ee’s.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I was going to ask you about this.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, they finally got a deal done. They’re going to make that happen. I’m guessing most of the residents down there are probably not happy about that, although some probably are.
SPEAKER 06 :
What do you think of it, John?
SPEAKER 11 :
Me, personally? I think Buc-ee’s is being very generous, but is that just me? No, I would say the same thing. I mean, and I’ve had a lot of hate mail on this one, even from some quote unquote conservatives talking about how bad Buc-ee’s is and this, that and the other. And they shouldn’t be they shouldn’t be allowed to come in and on and on and on. It’s like, OK, first of all, I’m also a property rights advocate. So whoever owns said development that’s been commercially zoned for X amount of time, I look at that completely different than most do because I look at that and say, okay, if that’s what it was zoned and that’s what it is and Buc-ee’s wants to come in on it, yeah, they might have to annex a little bit more land to make it all work. But at the end of the day, if that’s what that spot was to begin with, then y’all just need to shut up because the reality is whoever owns that was banking on somebody coming in and putting something commercial on said site anyway. So the reality is you should have done your own research on that prior to complaining.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, I don’t understand. Why are they upset? To me, I look at this as jobs, jobs, jobs. It’s going to be a booming thing for that area.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, because Buc-ee’s is awful. They’re paying to add lanes. They’re going to bring in too much traffic, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
But they’re paying to add lanes.
SPEAKER 11 :
They don’t allow farmer’s markets in the parking lot, and, and, and, and, and. I’ve heard it all, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Who cares if they allow farmer’s markets in the parking lot? Well, some down there do. You can put a farmer’s market anywhere.
SPEAKER 11 :
Some do because I’ve gotten text messages along those lines. So, yes, there are people down there that think it’s awful that they’re able to come in there and do those things that they’re doing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really? Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, because of some of the things that I just mentioned. They’re polluters. It’s awful. We shouldn’t just put a big, huge gas station with 100 pumps in and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Do they know Pedro Pascal?
SPEAKER 11 :
They probably do.
SPEAKER 06 :
They sound like him.
SPEAKER 11 :
They’re probably distant relatives. Not real free market, people.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m just saying.
SPEAKER 11 :
I look at this as this is a boom to the area, the tax revenue that will be generated. Yes, it’s going to change the shape of the area. But, folks, let me tell you one thing, and this is a very true statement. You cannot, you cannot, I’m going to say it three times, you cannot stop progress. You can try all you want to. You cannot want people to move into your area. You can have that mentality, but at the end of the day, it’s still going to happen.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, all their teenagers are going to have great jobs now.
SPEAKER 11 :
Andy, I’m telling you, there’s people down there that aren’t looking at it that way. They don’t care. And there was a big kerfuffle even inside of the Colorado GOP in regards to certain people that were on the council and things that were being talked about and stuff that was going back and forth and fingers that were pointing and people releasing emails out to the public about what was being said. And on and on we go. I mean, it has been a major, major to do down there. And by the way, shouldn’t have been.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I think the council leveraged the major, major to-do to drive a hard bargain and get some great concessions from Buc-ee’s. I think Buc-ee’s.
SPEAKER 11 :
Buc-ee’s paying for everything at this point.
SPEAKER 06 :
They’re paying for everything. They’re building new lanes. They’re going to make it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Adding wells the whole nine yards. Yeah. They’re doing all sorts of stuff. But there’s going to be people down there that are not going to be happy at the end of the day. I am not one of those, by the way. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning coming up next, folks. Any problems at all with your HVAC, give Cub Creek a call. Find them at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 11 :
All right, so all of you down south, you will end up getting what Johnson’s Corner up in northern Colorado got, which was a big old huge Buc-ee’s, which, by the way, I drove by the other day. And how’s it operating? Great. It’s doing fabulous.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Does it ruin the area?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, it has not ruined the area, nor will this one. At the end of the day, Buc-ee’s, by the way, isn’t some big, huge corporation. It’s still family-owned. Yes, they make a lot of money. Yes, they’ve done a very good job of handling how they do things. Yes, they run a big—it’s not a truck stop. It is a huge destination that people go to to not only fill up and have nice bathrooms and all of that. It is basically a place people go to buy other things on top of fuel. And you should be thankful Buc-ee’s wants to put one down there and spend all of the money in Palmer Lake area that they’re going to spend— And I’m all for it at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think it’s going to work out great.
SPEAKER 11 :
We’ll be back. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy
