In this engaging episode of Rush to Reason, join John Rush and Andy Pate as they delve into the nuances of effective communication with young people. By advocating for understanding rather than conflict, the hosts discuss how to praise motives and build meaningful dialogues that resonate deeply and encourage critical thinking. Their insights into overcoming generational divides provide listeners with the tools to address societal challenges with empathy and logic.
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And our number two is upon us. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLC 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And Andy, you want to finish up one more thing on the movie before we get going into how to speak to… Yeah, I know.
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I keep doing one more thing. I sound like Columbo in the old days. I just want to remind people, yeah, if you want to watch it, you may be thinking, I’m going to wait until it just comes out on Amazon. I want you to know something. There’s something really cool about going to the theater for a movie like this, especially in the first week or two, and you get to be amongst your peeps. There’s a lot of back-slapping camaraderie. And I was at the theater during that big power outage. Okay, we had the big power outage that happened. Remember that? Right. A couple days ago. Yeah, and so the power outage hit about 15 minutes into the movie, and the whole place is packed with nothing but Trump fans, right? All of us MAGA people. And it was kind of interesting as we spent the next 45, 50 minutes waiting for this movie to get going. And it takes a while, just so you know, for them to get a movie going again. I know it seems simple. It’s not as simple as you think. And they got it going again. But in the meantime, it was just kind of fun. Everybody was talking, joking, hanging out, being together. How many public places can you come to something like this and see those who believe like you? It’s pretty cool.
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Good point. No, good point. All right. Okay, here we go. And for those of you listening, you may want to just maybe mark this down. You can go back always and we’ll listen to this again. And we may take several segments to get all of this in because there’s a lot to unpack here. And we’ll do our best to try to give you all tips on how to speak to young people. And again, there’s several facets of this. And depending upon your young person that you’re going to be speaking to, they may have totally different viewpoints. But I think most of what we’re going to talk about, you could still take bits and pieces of what Andy and I are going to go through and still apply that to a lot of young people when it comes to helping them critically think their way through what’s going on in our country today. Because keep in mind, one thing that I want to make sure that we get couched to begin with here is, and this is hard to do, But I believe one of the first things you’ve got to get your young people to do if you’re going to have a good, solid conversation with them is they need to shut off social media for a little bit before they can actually have a good conversation with you because they are being deluged right now. I mean an absolute waterfall of garbage that is getting pushed their way through the algorithms because if you start watching one thing, then it – Then it devolves into another, or I should say evolves into another and another and another and another. And unfortunately, they are literally being showered with garbage right now that is literally brainwashing their head, their brain, I guess I should say, Andy. And you almost have to get them to agree to, in other words, to have a solid conversation with you. They are going to have to agree to not do social media for at least 48 hours so you can have a decent conversation with them. Am I wrong in that, Andy?
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Don’t get me wrong. It’s preferable. Okay.
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I mean, good luck, but you need to see if you can.
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But you can also take advantage of it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, explain.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Well, first of all, before you even get into it, folks, before you win the debate, don’t go in trying to win the debate.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, don’t go. Just do this instructionally.
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Because take a step back before we even go into it. And, you know, for those who don’t know, I’ve done seminars on this. I teach this in personal messaging and political messaging, okay? If you win the debate, what does that make them, John?
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re the losers then.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, do they want to be that?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, they don’t want to be the loser. And you don’t want them to be the loser.
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Right, and you don’t want them to be the loser. So that right away, if you go in wanting to win the debate because you’re emotional about this, you’re upset, and you are very motivated to win the debate, right? You’re emotional. Your nation’s been invaded. Young women are being raped and killed by these people. You’re seeing drugs pour into the country. There’s a lot of reasons that you’re very emotional about this, and you should be, all right? Don’t let your emotions give you the wrong motivations going into this. When you are going to talk to that person, they’re in front of you. Your goal is for them to have a chance to change their heart. All right. How do you do that? Well, before trying to win the debate, win their heart. And the way you do this is three words. Write them down at home, folks. Praise their motives. Let me say it again. Praise their motives. And that should be the first thing that you do with any topic that you’re talking about, especially with young people. And we’ll get to why in a moment here. And so if I look at them now here, they want basically no borders, no ice, none of this. Right. We shouldn’t be throwing people out. They came here. We came here. You know, everybody should be able to live here. That’s how they feel. OK, before we look at how stupid that is and it is stupid, let’s be honest, between me and you, it’s stupid, right? You’ll wreck a country that way. Look at Europe, right? It’s destroyed by that entire mindset. But are their motives bad? Now, here’s how I would lead, John. I would say this. John, let’s for a moment imagine you’re 16. Okay. Okay. John, you really like America, don’t you?
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I love America.
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Yeah. Now, maybe you’re a liberal who says, what do you mean by that? I really like America.
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I think most would come up and say, I think even most young people would say, yes, I love America.
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Yeah, most would say yes.
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Some would say I hate America. I think it’s a bad place. I think it’s this. I think it’s that.
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Or some will say, yeah, well, I think it’s unfair. I think it’s this. I think it’s that. Yeah, but I think you love it.
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Well, for example, this dovetails into what I was going to talk about anyways. There are going to be some, like at the Grammys, that are going to say, well, you’re not on your land anyways. Right. Which, by the way, is the total cop out. It’s bogus. These are individuals, by the way, that don’t understand American history. They don’t even understand what happened in regards to the big battle that we had with the Indian nations and the fact that it was the Brits. England was actually arming the Indians coming up from the upper area of Washington itself because they didn’t want to see us migrating out and immigrating out to the west of the country because the Brits wanted to continue to control.
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all of that right so they actually armed the Indians against us it was as much their fault for the the strife that we had with them as it was anyone again these are people that have no idea what I just said right and there’s another way another thing that I always say John is this let’s get into that first and we’ll get back to winning their heart okay uh if they bring that up we’re on stolen land I would say this by we you mean all of humanity everywhere right No, us here in America. Okay, because you’re saying that we came in, there were people already here, we came in and took over the land, and therefore you think that with the stronger force coming in, overwhelming the weaker force and taking the land, we have therefore stolen the land. That’s how you feel, right? Well, yeah, that’s how I feel. I know, but I just described the beginning of almost every single nation on the planet.
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That’s right. Every civilization, every nation.
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So if you want to reverse that, are you going to reverse it with every single country on the planet? And then you’ve got to keep reversing it because this group got it from that group, got it from that group, got it from that group.
SPEAKER 12 :
Do you see where that can’t keep going? Which I would add to that, Andy.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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That’s actually the master plan of the left in Marxism because at the end of the day, humans are a scourge to the earth. So yes, Andy is actually describing… what really the left wants, and that is an elimination of all people.
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They want people to feel guilty for being people.
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For being here, period. For being people.
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That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. That’s exactly right. That’s why they want you to be the opposite of everything you were born to be. They want you to be trans. Why? You were born as a guy or a girl. They want you to be the opposite of whatever you were actually born to be. And by the way, you happen to be born here as an American. And they want you to feel guilty for anything you are. That’s right. That way they can drive you out of being that.
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That’s exactly right.
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Okay. Before we go to break, Let’s praise their motives. Okay, let’s get back to what I was saying. But thank you for bringing that up because they do bring that up. And I always do say to them, okay, no, I understand. And notice how I’m praising their motives. You don’t like the idea of a stronger group coming in and taking over a place from a weaker group and dominating and making it their nation. You don’t like that. Seems unfair, right? Well, yeah, it does. Notice how I’m praising their motives. Well, that’s good. I think you’re a good person. You don’t want the stronger just to take over the weak. I think that’s great. However, you do realize that I just described the beginning of almost every nation on earth. OK, so singling out America doesn’t make a lot of sense, does it? That doesn’t make that doesn’t mean what happens to the Indians was good. I’m not saying I’ve never said that. OK, in fact, I think in a lot of ways it was terrible, although in some ways we brought advancements and freedoms that they didn’t have before. OK, the question is, how do we treat all people now? Rather than you can’t go back and undo all the nations on the planet, can you? Now you see how first I praise their motives. You’re a good person. You don’t want the strong to come in over around the week. I think that’s great. I’m glad you like that. I’m glad you’re like that. That way you won’t go do it to somebody else. But. That’s the entire nation. So I broaden it to the entire world. That’s how the entire world was started. I mean, every nation on earth virtually. And then I be logical. Now I can bring my talking points. First, I get their heart. Because when I praise their motives, well, yeah, you don’t want this. You don’t want this done to this and this. Well, yeah, I don’t. Now I’ve opened their heart. Now they want to listen to what I’m saying. And I can give them the talking points. If you lead with talking points, now you’re talking down to them. They feel like the dumb guy. They don’t want to feel dumb. Right?
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Correct.
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Okay. If you lead with trying to win the debate, now they feel like the loser. They feel like the bad guy. They don’t want to feel bad. See where I’m going? Right. Okay. Let’s get back to praising their motives on immigration. And then we can go to break. We’ll come back and get into a lot of other points. I look at them and I say this. You really, 16-year-old John, you really like America. You know, John, I just think you really like America, don’t you? Well, yeah, I do. But I think it should be for, yeah, yeah. You like living in this place. You live in this place. You look around and you think it’s great and you just want that for others, right? Well, yeah, that’s what I want. Yeah. I think that’s good. That shows me you have a big heart. And, you know, and you would do that for everybody on earth, wouldn’t you? You would do that with your home if you could. You go out, you see homeless people. And if you could, I know you can’t, but if you could, my gosh, you’d bring them all into your home. You’d feed them. You’d clothe them. You’d take care of everybody. You wish you could do that for the whole world. And you see America being so wealthy and you want America to take care, to take people in when they want to come here. I think that’s wonderful. I think that tells me you have a great heart. However, you know as well as I do, you couldn’t do that with your home.
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Yeah, thank you. I was going to follow up with, and we can come back and kind of dovetail into this. On the same token, the question I would ask every young person that lives by themselves, in a lot of cases they do, do you lock your doors at night?
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Right.
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When you take your car to the grocery store, do you take the keys out and lock it, or do you leave them in there so the next guy coming along can just take your car for a joyride because you just have community property and he can use what you have?
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Exactly, and this is getting to what I was about to say. You draw lines. Now, the question is, where do you draw the line? And you’ve got to decide that as a person, with your car, with your home. You’ve got to decide that as a country. How many can you take in? At what pace can you take them in? What is best for the country to where we can still be the place they dreamed of?
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Right. Okay. Yeah, because without that, we become a place of total chaos, and you’re not able to support each other and so on and so forth.
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Yeah, but really quick notice, before we go to break, what did I do first? I won their heart. Right. Because I praised their motives. I made them feel like a good person for having these feelings.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush. And we are back. Rush to Reason, Debra’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, Andy, one more thing you can add into the stolen land.
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Well, one thing I’ve also said to young people with the stolen land thing, after I first break it down, I praise their motives, then I break it down and say we’re all on stolen land. I say, you know what, I wish I was a caveman. I really do because then I could point at everyone on earth and say you stole my land. That’d be great.
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Okay. And I think the other thing I would ask, too, because some of these – I just got a text message in from a good friend whereby the answer back is, okay, well, in a lot of cases, these kids are going to come back and say, well, I really don’t love America, which I know we talked about that and we brushed upon this. Let’s talk about that for just a moment because they come back and say, well, I really don’t like America. I think personally one of the questions I would ask back is, okay, so which country do you like better? Where do you feel like they do what we do better? Can you give me an example whereby their quality of life and what they do, their freedoms and so on, is better than what we have here? And I want an example.
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Yeah. And you know what I also come back to them with? First of all, I use that. And I also say, you know what? I think you do enjoy America. I think you like a lot of the American life. I think what you don’t like is people who disagree with you. who hold different views from you. And I think we all feel that way sometimes. We look at people who don’t hold the same opinions we do, and it angers us and it frustrates us. And we see America run at times by people who disagree with us, and we get angry with how America is run. And we don’t think it should be run this way, run that way. We don’t think it should go to war with this country or not go to war with that country where they’re mistreating people. I think you’re just disappointed sometimes in America not being what you think it should be.
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Right. And all of us, by the way, have… That’s fair. Yeah, yeah. All of us have times whereby the whatever we’re involved in, our family, our relationships, our businesses, our jobs, our country, you know what? We can feel the same way about all of those at times. Those are natural feelings that come up because of some of the things even, Andy, you just said a moment ago, where we can have different frustrations that come along. But deep down inside, at the end of the day, when you look at America, even with all of its faults, tell me a better country on the planet. Tell me a country, and we talk about this a lot, Andy, you and I, whereby, and I know this is hard to get young people to understand, but tell me a country that’s more benevolent than the United States of America. With power. That has the power we have, right. We have the power to literally take over the world, and yet we don’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, every other country in human history that had the kind of power that America has took over every portion of the world they could. We’re the first one that hasn’t.
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We’re the only country that hasn’t done that.
SPEAKER 06 :
And here’s another one that I always bring up with young people who say they really don’t like America. They hate America. They hate America. I say, okay, let me ask. Look, I understand because you look at America doing some things that you disagree with. I respect that. That shows me you have a conscience.
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Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s a good thing.
SPEAKER 06 :
But let me ask you something. Do you hate slavery? Well, yeah, I hate slavery. Me too. Good. We agree on that.
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Guess which country abolished it first.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And I say, let me tell you something. Slavery has gone on for thousands of years, millennia, throughout all of human history with all kinds of people owning all kinds of other people. You think about just white owning black. No, no, no. That was recent. All kinds of people enslaving all kinds of other people. And it came to America and died. Because here in America, we said all men are created equal. And guess what? In doing that… In less than a century, in the historical blink of an eye, slavery died. Did slavery come to America? Yeah, it came to America to die.
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God bless America. And on top of that, there’s a lot of countries today, some of which they might even name as thinking that they’re better countries than ours, slavery still exists. Yeah, I know. In the form of sex slaves. And really quick, I’m going to throw this in there, because most people don’t know this, including a lot of the kids. The majority of the scam phone calls… that you are receiving, this includes romance scams, it includes crypto scams, it includes just regular daily scams where people are calling you on the phone. The majority of, probably 90% plus of those individuals that are trying to scam you are slaves. Yes. Literally, they are slaves.
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Yeah, and one thing before we go to Conrad here, when they say, I don’t like America, I don’t like America, I say, you know what? What I think you don’t like is selfishness. I think you don’t like anybody taking advantage of anybody else. And I think you think some of the people running the country are doing it poorly and doing it in selfish ways and taking advantage and misusing power, right? And they’re like, yeah, that’s what I think. I say, you know what? I hate to tell you this, but that just means you agree with the Bible. Sin is selfishness. Don’t worry, I’m not saying you’ve got to become a Christian. I’m just saying in this one case, you happen to agree. Sin and selfishness are the same thing. Let me tell you something. Selfishness is everywhere in human life.
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You’re not going to get away from it. That’s right. You’re not getting away from it, no matter what country you go to. Conrad, go ahead. Make a comment.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, great show as always, guys. First of all, I’m sure you both have heard of Manifest Destiny. That’s the policy that was put in the 19th century that made this country great, and I’m 100% behind it all the way. Secondly, my family on my dad’s side were Germans that lived in Russia that migrated here before the First World War. And our people acclimated to the culture. My great grandfather became a citizen, went through all the, all the, uh, uh, testing that they had to go through. And the education, they had to take the oath to swear allegiance to the country. My grandfather, he was my grandfather, was born over in Russia, too, and they all did this. And that’s all I’m wanting these people to do here is to adopt our culture like what we did. We still call ourselves Germans and all that. We enjoy German food and the language and all that. But, I mean, we’re Americans, you know, and that’s what they need to be.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, you assimilated, Conrad. That’s what we’re asking is you just need to assimilate to what we do in this country.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
That simple.
SPEAKER 09 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well said.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I don’t know why they just can’t do it. I mean, yeah, we are great because of all the diversity that we have, but we need to be united. I mean, I told you this, John, I don’t care what color somebody’s skin is. I don’t care what. what country they’re from, as long as they believe in the Judeo-Christian conservative beliefs that I believe in, then they’re good in my book. That’s the way I feel about them.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back, myself and Andy, and we’re talking about how to speak to, it’s not just young people in your life. It really could be anybody that’s struggling right now with trying to figure out, you know, what’s going on in the country, what’s ICE doing and so on. And one thing, too, that we have to keep in mind. is, you know, this administration, while it’s easy to blame them for all of this, they’re not the ones to blame. Donald Trump ran on, I want to remind everybody this, Donald Trump ran on eliminating illegal immigration. In other words, closing the border, running around and rounding up as many of the bad actors that are out there, which, by the way, these are actors that have killed people. I mean, I think the one thing that we have to remind even young people of is, up until now, you know, we had the Lake and Riley’s of the the world that were being literally you know killed by illegal aliens and I don’t see anybody crying over them today they’re crying over these individuals have been shot in Minnesota but we’re not crying over those individuals whose lives were taken by illegal aliens so I think it’s always important to remind especially young people of what was going on prior and that’s part of the reason why going back to Andy nice conversation a few minutes ago about you know drawing lines all of us everyone These young people included draw lines in your life of what you will allow and not allow to have happen. For example, I used nobody leaves their front door wide open and just lets anybody tromp on in and eat their food and sit on their couch and watch their TV. Young people include. In fact, most young people would have a royal fit if that happened. No different than we go to the. store the movie theater wherever the shopping mall work and guess what you take the keys out of your car you make sure the car is locked you feel very violated if somebody breaks in or if they steal that car i mean at the end of the day these young people because i’ve met some of them no matter what side of the aisle they’re on if something is stolen from their car they’re not happy because they feel violated okay so then how is that any different than having a wide open border and letting anybody that wants to come into the country come in it’s the same principle
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Or how about the door in your locker at school?
SPEAKER 12 :
Same situation.
SPEAKER 06 :
Or forget about the front door in your home. What about the door on your bedroom? How many people do you want in there?
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Would you like to be able to decide how many people are in there?
SPEAKER 12 :
And the answer is always going to be, well, of course I do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. And one thing I always say to them, you were talking earlier about how they are hearing it from everywhere on social media. They’re being bombarded with the left’s messaging on this, right? And I would look at them and say… You know, you’re being bombarded with messaging from the left, from the other side, I’ll just say, on this topic constantly, right? You’re hearing it from Hollywood. You’re hearing it from the media. You’re hearing it from sports heroes. Let’s face it. You’re hearing it in sports. You’re hearing it online constantly. I don’t want you to not hear that. I want you to hear that, but I believe that you deserve to hear both sides. So if you’re going to hear it hour after hour after hour coming from the Emmy Awards, coming from everywhere else… Would you be able to give a few minutes and hear the other side? Right. Because I think you deserve that, and I’m not going to be mean. I think you’re going to be surprised at how actually we agree on a great deal of things.
SPEAKER 12 :
And again, folks, I was reminded of this a moment ago as well. Keep in mind that in majority of cases, there’s maybe an exception to this, but not too many. In the majority of cases when it comes to deportation, It’s not sort of a, you know, one time and you’re out. These are individuals that have had typically, not typically, they’ve had due process. They’ve had their chance to prove why they should be here. Do they need asylum? All sorts of things that can come into play. And in a lot of cases, remember, folks, and I’ve even given examples where we’ve had folks that have come here legally with a green card to begin with. There’s been folks that have come from places like Great Britain, South Africa, and so on. And these always make the news, by the way. These are individuals that overstayed their visa, which, by the way, is a crime. You can’t go to any other country and overstay your visa and not also commit a criminal act in those countries. But in this case, there’s been a couple of cases, I should say, of late whereby they’ve overstayed their visa. And then they wonder why, even 10 years later, they’re being rounded up by ICE. Now, I can tell you right now, if they overstayed their visa by a decade, they had plenty to this particular message I just received in agreement. They’ve had plenty of chances, Andy, to get that taken care of. They just felt like it’s never going to happen to me, so I don’t need to worry about it. I’ll just stay.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, again, folks, basically what they’re saying is they’re thumbing their nose at the law, basically saying this is never going to happen to me. It’s like the person that drives 100 miles an hour everywhere thinking they’re never going to get a ticket. Right. Eventually it’s going to catch up to you. Of course.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, and once again, now, folks, I just want to go back to the beginning. Praise their motives. Always lead by praising their motives because their motives for holding the view they hold are good.
SPEAKER 11 :
True.
SPEAKER 06 :
They look around at their life here.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s a good life, and they wish everybody could have it. And so I look at them and I say, basically, you like America. You like the lifestyle that we have here. I mean, there are times you disagree with what the government does, what these people do, what those people do. But, folks, you have food, clothing. Freedom to travel, freedom to move around, and so on. You have freedom to travel wherever you want. You have entertainment. You can do basically, for the most part, what you want with your life. Within reason, whatever you want to. Yes, you can go out and get a job. You don’t have it assigned to you. You can go out and get the job you want.
SPEAKER 12 :
By the way, because I saw this today, if you want to stand homeless on a corner and collect dollar bills as people drive by, guess what, Andy? You can do that also.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t think you should be able to.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t think you should, but my point is you can do whatever you want to, including that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you can do so many things. And don’t you wish that the whole world had this? And so you look at the world and you say, I know you understand they can’t, but don’t you wish they could all come here and enjoy the same freedoms, the same plenty, prosperity that you get to enjoy here in America? Even though you’re saying, geez, right now I don’t have a job. You still have a better than 95% of the people on the planet. Don’t you wish more of the planet could enjoy what you have here? And you know what they say? They say yes.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I’m going to add one thing to what you just said.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
The yes would be, guess what? We as Americans feel like the rest of the world should have those same opportunities. It’s why we do some of the things that we do as a country around the world. Our desire would be for everyone to live in a constitutional republic like we do. Not a democracy, but an actual constitutional republic like we have here where everyone has equal rights, equal representation under the law. The reality is we’re the only country on earth that does this this way. Right. There is no other country this way.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that’s getting to what I’m saying. So let’s say you lead in by saying, once again, praise your motives and say, that means you’re a good person. You see, you’re a good person. Why? Because not only do you look around and say, geez, I love being able to eat enough, having a warm home, a roof over my head, the freedom to wear the clothing I want, to go to the places I want, to learn what I want, to read what I want, to do what I want. You love having that. But not only that, here’s what makes you a good person. You want that for everyone. But let me ask you something. Just hypothetically, before we even look at immigration, What would make more sense? If you want that for the whole world, can the whole world move into one country? Or would it make more sense to export that lifestyle everywhere? Rather than import all the people to this place where we have that lifestyle, wouldn’t it make more sense to export that lifestyle everywhere? I’m not talking they all have to have your values, worship your God or whatever. I’m talking the lifestyle, the freedom. the goodness of it. Wouldn’t it make more sense to export that lifestyle to all countries if you could do it?
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Here’s the thing. You’re a good person. You wish they could all come here. You know they can’t. So I want you to know something. Do you love those who come here? Do you love those who immigrate and come here to our country? Yes, I do. Okay. I want those, and folks, I want you to remember what I’m about to say now. I want those who legally come here to find everything they’ve dreamed of, not everything they fled. Because there are bad things in those countries, too. There’s poverty. Okay, there’s opium fields. There’s slavery. Yeah, there’s cartels. There’s slavery. There’s terrible things around the world. Now, I want all those who come here legally to not be followed by those things. Right. And I think you want that for them, too. Great point. Okay, well, there’s no way to keep out those things without a port of entry. Without a system. The front door in your home is a port of entry into your home. To your home, that’s right. The front door in your bedroom is a port of entry into your bedroom. You have to be able to say who comes in, who comes out, and they have to ask permission. You can’t just take the front door of your house off, which, by the way, we did for four years in our country. We took the door off.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, literally.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they all poured in. Now, do I believe all the people who poured in were bad?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, we’ve said that many times.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, but here’s the problem.
SPEAKER 12 :
How do you determine that, though?
SPEAKER 06 :
How do you find them? And this is where I get to a thing I call, John, the needle in the haystack, okay? And let’s say you’re a 16-year-old John, okay? John, let’s say we had a black floor or a dark gray floor, somewhere where it’s easy to see, okay? And I threw a few needles on that floor, okay? Could you find them pretty easy? Sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
Go pick them up. Easy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Those needles, you wouldn’t want people stepping on them. You wouldn’t want people to get hurt by those needles. Okay. Let’s call those needles bad immigrants. Okay. And we have our own bad people here even without them.
SPEAKER 11 :
We do.
SPEAKER 06 :
And, you know, the kind who rape, kill, who deal drugs, who work for cartels, who, you know, or maybe rob us blind like the Somalians did in Minnesota. Look, whatever you think of… people in general, all people can be good, but they did rob us blind. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Here’s the problem. Now, what if I lay those needles on the floor, but then I throw bales of hay on top of them? Now go find the needles. Can you do it as easily?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, it’s much harder.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. The problem is not the needles. The problem is the haystack. And so when we say we need everybody to come here legally, and if they didn’t come here, you know, I have a real problem when we say, let’s just get rid of those who are committing crimes. Here’s the problem. Those who commit crimes… have been absorbed into a massive community that’s come here illegally. That’s the haystack. If you don’t remove the haystack, you can’t find the needles. That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 12 :
What do you think? And in defense of Trump and ICE and what’s going on with DHS, they’re actually doing a really good job of being very methodical in finding the needles Andy just described and not sending everybody back home that should be going back home.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. That’s where I get to say, just so you know, they’re doing a great job of trying to go after the needles. How do you know that? 70% of those that they brought in have committed some sort of extra crime, some sort of record. Okay. Think about, do you think 70% of those who came in, that 15 million that came in under Biden, do you think 70% of them are criminals? Of course not. Well, that must mean that they’re really targeting criminals.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s exactly what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Bingo.
SPEAKER 12 :
Furthermore, we’re deporting a lot less under this administration than we did in the past two administrations. Not two, but the past Biden and Obama administration.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
The numbers, the facts show that. The numbers show that. All you have to do is go look that up. I think one of the things to combat some of these that would say, you know, well, you’re just racist by sending ICE in and sending all these people home and deporting them. No, we’re doing all the things that Andy and I just talked about for the last roughly 45 minutes, and it’s being done very methodically to make sure that we as a country, you as an American citizen, can live in a safe country.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And by the way, can I counteract the racist thing and then we’ll go to break? After the break, by the way, folks, I want to deal with this whole term, no human is illegal, that phrase. But first, if they bring up race, always say this. Oh, so what you’re saying is if a bunch of white people wanted to come in through my front door and overrun my home and sleep in my bed and rob my house and just overwhelm it and eat all the food, I’d be totally okay with that because they’re white? Is that what you’re saying? Well, no, I’m not saying, oh, so you’re saying that I treat all people the same. I don’t care what their race is. All people are beautiful. Every child is a miracle. No exceptions. It has nothing to do with how they look.
SPEAKER 12 :
I go back to the comments or the stories that I’ve read and talked about here on Rush to Reason, whereby there’s been white Brits, white South Africans. that have come in, they’ve overstayed their visa, they’ve got families, they’ve got kids and so on, and yet they’re being deported because they didn’t do everything they were supposed to to stay here. I’m okay with that. Yeah. Because they didn’t do it properly. And back to my text message I had a few minutes ago, they had ample opportunity to get that handled and didn’t. That’s on them, not me as a U.S. citizen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Just like I wouldn’t be okay with white people overrunning my home, have you ever heard me, now I’m talking to 16-year-old John. John, have you ever heard me say, oh, but white people can break our laws coming here all they want?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, they can’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Have I ever said that?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, they can’t. I just gave an example of that.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, they can’t. If I’ve never said that, then why do you think I think it? Let me tell you why. Because other people have told you to think that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Social media and other places have told you to think that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s exactly right. Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Listen to this interview Al did of late. We’ll come right back, finish things up in a moment. But you can find Al by going to klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 04 :
TJ here with KLZ Radio, and once again I’m with Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. Al, do you do taxes for folks?
SPEAKER 10 :
Actually, I don’t. A lot of what I do involves tax planning, but I don’t sit down with people to prepare their taxes. But I think the tax planning is probably more important because that way, once they do sit down with their CPA or their tax preparer, they will have a better outcome, especially as we do some planning over time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Are there any mistakes or common things that people come to you in retirement for taxes, specific to retirement?
SPEAKER 10 :
Not so much specific mistakes, because depending on what someone’s age is, the mistakes may have already been made. But if someone has a reasonable window… Before they have to start taking required minimum distributions, for example, they can convert all or part of their traditional IRA to Roth. And by the time someone’s 73, if they have Roth income and Social Security income only, they will be paying zero in taxes.
SPEAKER 04 :
What about people who have regular brokerage accounts or other investments?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, investments that aren’t part of a retirement plan are subject to taxes, but only capital gains and dividends. And the tax rate for those, if a couple is under $66,000 a year of taxable income, the tax rate for those is zero. So depending on other tax planning that people have done, they can have a brokerage account and have those stocks pay dividends and capital gains and not have to pay any tax on them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Al, tell us how to get in touch with you if somebody wants to do that. It’s a new year. People are doing their taxes, so it’s on their mind. Yeah, it’s coming up.
SPEAKER 10 :
You can reach me at 303-744-1128.
SPEAKER 04 :
And as always, you can find Al Smith and Golden Eagle Financial at klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks for joining us today.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, you’re welcome. Thanks for having me, TJ.
SPEAKER 15 :
Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Really going through, and we could do hours on this, and I’m not exaggerating. We literally could spend hours talking about what kind of information can you help feed, especially to young people to re-educate them because they’re brainwashed right now by social media. And friends and peers and teachers and so on. And really, they’re being told a big fat lie as to what’s going on when it comes to ICE. And they’ve bought into that lie. And what’s happening is they’re hating anybody else that counters that lie.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s what’s happening.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. So what we’re doing is we’re showing you ways to first win their heart, and then you can very quickly win their mind. Okay. When you win their heart, then they open up and they’ll listen. Okay. Then I can take a shot at the Democrats after a while. I’ve used these other points, right? And I can just say, let me ask you two things. Okay. We’re talking about, let’s talk for just a moment about the Democrat Party, which, by the way, runs all those entities that are feeding you information on this. Number one, they do want all people to come into our country without limits. They want no borders. Number two, they believe in having no I.D., for voting no voter id they as a party they oppose voter id so number one no id for voting and number two they want all these people to come in unlimited um how can those two things be true and them not wanting to replace you as a voter isn’t it obvious this party wants to overwhelm you As a voter. And you can say, well, gee, I like that because I agree with them. But think about this for a second. Does that make it okay? What about people who don’t agree with them? How would you feel if Republicans did that with all people who agree with Republicans? And so Republicans decided to, how would you feel if Republicans decided, guess what? There’s a country right here that believes everything Republicans do. And we’re going to bring in people, millions and millions of people, unlimited. And we also don’t want any of their IDs checked when they vote.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, we’re going to stack the cards.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. How would you like the deck stacked against you? You wouldn’t like it. So how do you feel about stacking your deck against others?
SPEAKER 12 :
Talk to us, Andy, really quick about how there’s no such thing as an illegal person.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. When they say no human is illegal, you know what I say to them? You’re right. No human is illegal. But we’re not saying any are. We’re not calling them illegal humans. We’re calling them illegal immigrants. If you immigrate to a place illegally, you are an illegal immigrant. If you drive a bus, you are a bus driver. Okay. You see, you are defined by the deeds you do. We are saying that they are illegal immigrants, or you could call them illegal aliens, whatever. I’d call them illegal immigrants. Why? They immigrated illegally. Right. Okay? If you do something illegal… That’s the act. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
And when we call them illegals… Basically, when you’re driving 75 in a 55, you’re now an illegal driver.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. When we call them… Right. Yes. When we call them illegals, it’s simply short for illegal immigrant. Okay? And before you complain about that, understand… I could go into a million things that you shorten every day in the way you talk. You just find shorter ways to say things. That’s all we’re saying. They immigrated illegally. They’re illegal immigrants. There are no illegal humans, but we never said there were. That’s the thing called a straw man argument. You’re fighting against something that was never offered.
SPEAKER 12 :
And lastly, and sometimes this is where you’ve got to be careful in how you present this, but the other argument would be I’ve traveled to a lot of foreign countries. I’ve been to many places, Africa, Israel, Mexico, other countries, and so on. And the reality is all of them require you to go through the port of entry. There’s a stamp as to how long you can stay. And if you overstay that, trust me, you’re going to have problems. You’re going to be considered the same thing there that Andy, you, and I are talking about right now in relation to those that are coming here. Difference is there, they’re not as graceful.
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 12 :
Not at all. Yeah, do you want to be in a Mexican prison? Well, use Ethiopia for an example. You don’t go to Ethiopia without first applying for the visa on the front side, and they don’t accept everybody, even as a tourist.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. You see, if you go anywhere illegally, and here’s a simple question to ask them. Let’s just boil this down. If you go anywhere illegally, is it wrong for the people to remove you?
SPEAKER 12 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, if I go to a theater without buying a ticket to the movie… They’re going to ask you to leave. Okay, they’re going to ask me to leave. What if I get a lot of people to bang drums and protest them doing this to me because they hate me for being there and I say it’s because I’m white or I say it’s because I’m black or I say it’s whatever. The simple fact is I still broke the law. I went there illegally. What if I overstay my ticket? Okay, I stay for the next two or three movies when I only bought a ticket for one. All right. I am there illegally. Is it wrong, morally wrong, for them to remove me? No. If I refuse to be removed, is it wrong for them to use force?
SPEAKER 12 :
No. No.
SPEAKER 06 :
I just described ICE.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
John?
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s the security guard at the movie theater.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Folks, you can use the movie theater example. It works very well because everyone’s been to the movies.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
I just described ICE.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s all they’re doing, asking you to leave because you’re not supposed to be there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
You didn’t pay the ticket.
SPEAKER 06 :
Should we make it harder or easier for ICE to simply do their job and remove people who are here illegally?
SPEAKER 12 :
We should make it easier.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Then it’s less violent. There you go.
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SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, we are back. We’ve got two minutes left of this hour. Ed in Laramie, Wyoming. You’re next. Go ahead, Ed.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hi, how are you? Good, Ed. I’m calling because… I don’t believe that any illegal alien should be permitted to stay in the country.
SPEAKER 06 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I was just listening to my pastor this past Sunday, and he was talking about how many people there are that expect special treatment. They don’t want to be treated equally. They want to be treated like they’re special. Well, everyone that came across that border illegally and is expecting to stay here or be allowed to stay here in any way, they don’t want to be treated. They want special treatment. And I completely and utterly think every one of them should go.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, Ed, once again, you’re talking about the needle in the haystack. You have to remove the haystack. Otherwise, you can’t find the needles, the ones who commit crimes. And by the way, Ed, you are actually treating all mankind the same because you don’t think anyone should illegally be able to stay anywhere, be it in a movie theater, be it in any country, including ours.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, basically, Ed, what you’re saying is nobody deserves that special treatment. I agree with you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. I agree with you. Okay, because when I was listening, I was driving up and I was thinking like, no, no, no, we can’t, we need, they need to do what everybody did. Everybody who immigrated, my grandparents came through Ellis Island, and they were held there.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. You know, what we’re trying to say is we’re trying to especially speak to young people that are basically claiming ICE are a bunch of racists, which they’re not. In fact, we went one step further and even said, listen, they’re not even targeting all of the people like you and I and Andy feel like in a lot of cases they should. They’re being very specific and only taking out the bad operators, meaning they’re even, quote unquote, less racist if you look at it that way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. All right.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s all we’re saying.
SPEAKER 08 :
I misinterpreted what you were saying. No, no, that’s all we’re saying, Ed.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, yeah, we’re not saying that they shouldn’t be doing any of this and or – let me rephrase that. What we’re saying is they’re targeting because, let’s face it, let’s get rid of the bad actors first. And, no, there’s been – folks, please hear me out when I say this. There’s been up to 15, 20, maybe 50 million illegal immigrants that have come to this country. You’re not going to – and I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. You’re not going to round all those up in one fell swoop. It’s not happening, folks. So what the administration is doing right now is going after, quote unquote, those bad actors first. They’re easier to find because they’ve done things that are illegal. There’s records on these people. It makes them easier to find. And that’s why they’re going after them first, Andy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Andy and I are neither one are amnesty folks or anything along those lines. That’s not what we’re saying.
SPEAKER 06 :
No one should be anywhere illegal. They shouldn’t be here. They shouldn’t be in a theater. They shouldn’t be walking in your front door illegally at your home. No one should be anywhere illegal. But doesn’t that really say how incredibly tolerant ICE is by targeting first those who commit crimes?
SPEAKER 12 :
That was our point. Thank you, Andy. I think we clarified that for Ed. That was our point. They’re doing a very good job of pinpointing individuals… versus what they think is happening as far as these young people are concerned. We’ll be back. Another full hour coming your way. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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