In an engaging conversation with Randy Landreau, we explore the critical issue of lost innovation in America. From the historical roots of the U.S. patent system to the modern challenges faced by inventors, this episode uncovers the tension between corporate giants and the little guys with big ideas. Learn about the impact of the America Invents Act and the administrative courts that have reshaped the patent world. We also discuss the grassroots efforts needed to empower inventors and maintain America’s status as a leader in creativity and technology.
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All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Randy Landreau joining us now. Randy, welcome back. How are you, president of U.S. Inventor? Yes, doing great. Thanks for having me back. I always appreciate it. I always have a good conversation with you here. We are losing America, I should say, losing the innovation war. You and I have talked about this in the past, and unfortunately, Randy, we haven’t turned the tide. We’re not getting any better.
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Yeah, well, I tell you what, U.S. Inventor is the group that’s fighting to turn it around, and we’re making great progress, absolutely. But yeah, it’s a big issue, and your viewers really need to know more about it.
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So why are we not making as much headway as we should? Because frankly, we ought to be way out in front of this as to, you know, even some of the conversations you and I have had over the past few years, we should be much further ahead than we are.
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Yeah, so here’s the thing. I mean, historically, America has been the place of innovation. Correct. It’s like you think of who innovates more than anyone else in the world? It’s America. It started all the way back at the beginning. The Patent Act of 1790 under George Washington, amazingly, is what kicked it all off. And what was revolutionary about it was that George and our founders said, hey, If you’re in America and you invent something that’s never been done before, no matter who you are, no matter what walk of life you come from, whether you have money or not, you can own it. And that changed everything. And that is what suddenly you had people all across the nation using their creative abilities to come up with things that were valuable. And, of course, America became a world power faster than you would expect. And, you know, we stayed ahead of our adversaries, and it was a great, great thing for this country. But then, of course, big corporations, they don’t like it. They usually start off as real innovators, but then they get big, and they don’t innovate like they used to, and they don’t like the new guy coming along and competing with them with something they haven’t come up with. And, of course, that’s what the patent system is supposed to be for, where you invent something, you get it patented, and they can’t just take it from you. You can compete with them. Um, and that’s a problem for the big corporations. And I got to tell you, our, our lawmakers did pretty well, um, not doing anything drastic for quite some time, you know, over a hundred years. Uh, but I tell you what, it all came together in a perfect storm of, uh, you know, propaganda from big corporations, a lot of it from big tech, of course. And maybe our, our lawmakers weren’t quite as, uh, on top of things that they should have been. Bottom line is 2011, uh, was when everything changed. And that was the passage of a bill called the America Invents Act. And I gotta tell you, what that did, prior to that, if you had to face off with a large infringer, someone stealing your patented technology, it took place in a real court, right? Where you had a jury and you had a real judge, lifetime appointed, and you had due process. By the way, a jury trial, that’s the Seventh Amendment of the Constitution. As an American, you have a right to a jury trial And what was created was this new administrative court that was going to be faster and more efficient, but fair, they claimed. And bottom line is, now about 84% of the patents that get reviewed by this new administrative court get invalidated. How about that? Based on what? You know, there’s one particular part of our patent law that is way too subjective, okay? So to get a patent, and we’re talking about We’re not talking about design patents. We’re not talking about what it looks like. We’re talking about where it does something. That’s called a utility patent. And that’s what’s really valuable. So it has to be novel, never been done before. It has to be useful. It has to do something. The patent has to describe it well enough for it to be patented. In other words, someone looking at the patent needs to be able to reproduce it. So you’re giving it away, but you’re supposed to have the right to it to own it for a limited period of time. But the fourth thing is it has to be non-obvious. Non-obvious is a totally subjective term. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it’s ridiculous. And it used to not be so subjective, and I’m not a lawyer, and I don’t know exactly when it all changed, but bottom line is now it’s totally subjective. Now, in other words, what it means is would somebody skilled in the art would not – they call it a person of skill in the art, a posita – would not find it easy to come up with. Well, that is totally subjective. Now, here’s the thing. When the patent office issues the patent, they’re saying, yes, it fits all these criteria, including non-obviousness. But you can go to this administrative court where you don’t have a real judge. You have three government employees who are called administrative patent judges, and they can look at all the same stuff that the patent office looked at, And in hindsight, a lot of things seem obvious. And they could say, well, we don’t think it’s not obvious. We think it’s obvious. And there goes your patent.
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But Randy, I mean, the simple problem here, just looking at it, is this. Those government employees are employed by elected officials. The elected officials get their jobs through massive donations. Massive donations do not come from people who have not made their money yet and are just getting a patent. They come from big corporations. So basically the big corporations get to own the system that walls out people coming up.
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Right. Oh, yeah. Listen, and in fact, I’m going to tell you something that will just blow your mind, and it just explains the whole thing and how it can be so bad. So this law gets passed, and all our lawmakers look at both sides of the aisle, did it to us, right and left. This is a very bipartisan issue, actually. Both were hoodwinked. They were propagandized by all the lobbyists. And so then it gets created. Now, here’s the thing. This administrative court was going to be run and is run by the patent office, which, again, sounds OK to most people until you start really looking at it. So so the president appoints the director of the patent office and the person who was appointed as the director at that moment to put together this administrative court was the former head of patent strategy at Google. How about that? Her name was Michelle Lee. Wow.
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Well, help me out here. Is Google a large company?
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Good one, Andy. Good one. Right, right. Well, here’s the thing, too. The whole idea of the patent office is supposed to be for the little guy, for the little startup coming up with something new to compete with all the big guys, to put something out there that’s needed, that hasn’t been done yet. And you know what? The big guys, they’re all set up to do it better than you. They have money. They have resources. They have labs. They have everything. But it’s the little guy in a garage or gal in a garage who comes up with the thing.
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That’s right.
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And it’s always that way and always has been.
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And we’ve got to keep that. And that’s the part for me, Andy, that I think, you know, being a small business owner myself, that’s the part of the American spirit we’ve got to get back.
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Totally. Totally. And look, we’ve been fighting this fight. I’ve got to tell you. I mean, we, you know, usinventor.org, that’s our group. usinventor.org. We’re a 501c4, which means we can lobby. And I have somebody in Washington, D.C., lobbying. Whenever they’re in Congress, he’s there working it. And the thing is, though, all the other groups that are working on this issue in D.C. are working for big corporations. So they’re on the wrong side of the issue. And so it’s a big fight. But we have a growing number of people across the nation who are ready to make a phone call and send emails when it’s most needed. And I’ve got to tell you, that is the thing. That is our power. Our superpower is constituents far and wide who can jump in and make their lawmakers know, let them know what the real issue is. And I’ve got to tell you, because right now China is eating our lunch on so many technologies, And because big tech, people know it’s not right that you have these monopolies without competition. So we have a growing awareness that something has to be done. And I’ve got to tell you, the people who are listening to this, you can help this fight. This fight is for the little guy. It’s for this key part of America. It’s the thing that really made America so different than the rest of the world. We cannot lose it. We have to bring it back. What you can do to help us, if you go to usinventor.org and sign our inventor rights resolution. Look for a button there for a resolution. And if you sign that, you’ll know what we’re up to, but we’ll certainly let you know when there’s a call to action where we need you to call your senator or your rep and tell them, hey, vote for this or don’t vote for this.
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Now, Randy, do you guys, when people sign on and maybe they also contribute to you and they’re helping you with your efforts, are you just basically trying to help put through legislation? Or do you also help new inventors who are coming up who are facing the machine?
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Well, you know, certainly, look, we’re inventors ourselves. U.S. Inventors run by inventors. Certainly, we’re connected to a lot of attorneys and a lot of litigators. So we get a lot of good information online. But yeah, part of it is educating our members so that if they end up having to face off against a big infringer, they’re in the best position possible to win the fight. So we have many connections. We also have a conference, an annual conference that is – there’s nothing like it. We have it in D.C. every year, and it is the best source of information for any inventor. And of course, I personally – We’ll provide one-on-one. In fact, we have Zoom calls every week you can join in and listen to. But if someone has specific information they need, I can give them information and refer them to the best possible literature to help them along. So all of that.
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Awesome. As always, Randy, it’s a joy having you, usinvendor.org. And I appreciate it. It’s been too long since having you. We’ll get you back sooner this next time.
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Well, super. Thank you.
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Always a joy. Appreciate you, Randy, very much. And again, great guy because I’m, you know me, Andy. We’ve got to get back to being a country that innovates and stays ahead of the rest of the world.
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Well, here’s the bottom line, John. I know it comes from both sides, but that law was launched 2011. That’s the Obama administration. Nothing good came out of the Obama administration. So I already know it’s bad. That little court, that little, and let’s face it, it’s kangaroo court, right? I mean, it’s run by the very powers who want to freeze you up.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And really quick, Andy, just jumping back to this whole conversation of, you know, where are we at as a country? And, you know, why are we not as far out there in front when it comes to innovation and so on as what we used to be? Because as a country, you know, Joe and I have talked about this. You and I have talked about this many times. You look at all of the things that have been invented. throughout the course of time oh yeah and the reality is we are we are the leaders and we are the leaders it’s not close by a long shot right it’s like a hundred yard dash and we’re almost you know we’re basically across the finish line and the other guys haven’t even left the starting blocks yet yeah anybody who questions the free enterprise system just has to look at inventions
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You know, people who always talk about the Canadian social medicine. Okay. And is that how you call it? Social medicine? Government medicine? Whatever. Okay. No, you’re right. You know, I say, oh, yeah, yeah, they’re great. When are they going to invent a treatment or drug?
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Mm-hmm.
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without the profit motive. They don’t. They don’t. They sit next to us. We invent everything, and then they use it.
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Right. And when it comes to – and I’ve said this before. I’ll say it openly. I don’t care. When it comes to a lot of the Asian countries, they don’t invent anything. They take what we have. They copy what we have. They might make it better and cheaper. Well, better is questionable. They might make it cheaper than what we do. But at the end of the day, they don’t invent anything. They redo what we already invented in the first place.
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Yeah, this is one thing I really like about Trump and his tariffs, John, is that he is factoring in R&D costs. And he’s saying basically this. I’m once again paraphrasing. He’s basically saying, you know, it’s not fair for American companies to invest so much in R&D to create all these wonderful technologies. And then overseas, they simply take it, use their cheaper labor, and steal it.
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Mm-hmm.
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That’s not fair. You want to do that? I’m going to tariff you. I’m going to make sure that our companies that are sinking all this money into the R&D get something back for their investment.
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Right.
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I think that’s good.
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Right. No, I can’t disagree with you on that at all. And we need to, I think as a country, and I think Randy would agree with me on this, We need to get back to incentivizing people to invent. And rather than putting stumbling blocks in place or stealing those innovations from individuals and letting big business, you know, letting big tech, et cetera, have the rights to those things, Andy, we’ve got to – and this is what they’re all about at U.S. Inventor. We’ve got to tighten all that up so that there’s an encouragement factor now to people being in the garage – inventing things doing things that maybe they wouldn’t do otherwise because right now I think some don’t invent because their fear is well if I do this what am I getting at the end of the day right you know the free enterprise as you mentioned a moment ago in a lot of ways for innovation is gone because once big tech gets a hold of it or big business gets a hold of it it’s eight up gone and there’s no protection for the little guy
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Yeah, overall, John, big business, socialism has crept too far into our economy. It is suffocating innovation.
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Great idea. Can I give you another area? Great explanation.
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Can I give you the greatest area you see innovation when you see it done well?
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Sure.
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Entertainment. okay okay rob reiner once again just a terrible thing that happened to him right okay rob reiner for many years was the greatest director really in hollywood he is one of the greatest directors in hollywood history terrible person in a lot of ways too i mean he just you know he said so many deeply offensive things setting all that aside Okay, the quality of movies right now in America being created in America and in Hollywood has fallen apart. It’s absolutely fallen apart. That’s why Hollywood’s losing all the business. Why? They’re too expensive. The unions have overrun them. The labor. on the set is far too expensive the writers are too expensive the special effects are too expensive everything’s too expensive why because it’s unionized and basically they’ve had they’ve gotten tied into all kinds of government grants government help this is not a good thing what is happening as a result Movies are being made in Vancouver. They’re being made in New Zealand. They’re being made in Europe of all places. And you would think nothing could be made in Europe. OK, I mean, it is amazing. We are losing the ability to make movies here in America. As a result. And there is nothing more. The reason I say that that is the peak of innovation is this, John, it’s always new product.
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Right.
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I mean, every single movie is a totally new product. Every single TV show has a new episode. It’s not like, well, you just created one new, you know, iPhone and now that’s the one for a full year.
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Right.
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And it’s really incredible that we’re falling apart in that way. And I got to say it, who runs Hollywood? Who runs all the areas that have fallen apart? Which political party helped me out?
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It’s easy.
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Yeah. The D. The Democrats. They crush innovation. And we need to bring it back. What do you think?
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No, I agree. Now, I’ve got a text message in that says, you really think we can’t have socialized medicine and innovating new things? No, folks, we can’t. Because when you let socialism start creeping into society, you kill all innovation because you take away the incentive for anything new to be built.
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Right. I mean, look, the reason that you get new things is because of incredible profit motive. Right. All right. That’s R&D going into creating these things. How many tries did Edison have to go through to make a light bulb? Oh, geez, a ton. Okay. Well, imagine that many fold with all the kinds of things that you invent today. Now, you will say, well, wait a minute. This was invented in Sweden. That was invented in Denmark. Yeah, but you look at the amount of money, tax money. Right. that those countries have to pour into one area to work on one treatment. It’s incredible. It’s ludicrous. Whereas here, what happens? We just let companies design it on their own. They don’t even need your tax dollars and they do it for profit motive. And so you’ve got all kinds of companies freely just through profit motive. investing and inventing and coming up with great treatments. And also they invest in colleges where a lot of these things are developed as well. Overall, the system is incredible. This is why you have so many more drugs and treatments created here in America than anywhere else. Does that make sense?
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Yeah, and for this particular text, keep in mind that that whole mindset carries into all sorts of other factions of life, workplace, and so on. So not just in the medical end of things, as Andy is talking about, but I can run that down into all sorts of other industries as well that it definitely will have an effect on. And if you don’t believe me, go look at any country that becomes more socialized as time goes by and tell me what they invent. And the answer is nothing.
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Right, unless they pour a major part of their country’s GNP into one area. Then they can do it for a while.
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But really quick, and even in that case, you have to be incentivizing those individuals that would be in said program that they’ve got something that they’re gaining when it’s all said and done. Otherwise, there’s no reason for them to do so.
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Right. And guess what? I know the perfect person to ask on a certain product, how… this all happens and this person is john rush and this product is cars okay okay john for the longest time america made all the cars the best ones okay now eventually look eventually overseas was going to move in of course you know you see a great idea you’re going to move in on it but and the biggest way they did it was cheap labor and we had expensive labor through unions here in detroit and that destroyed the auto industry you know all that right but just in terms of innovation What happened in the auto industry that was so great in the old days and fell apart here? And where is it good now and why?
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That’s a good question. Great question.
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It’s hard because unions and the rising costs and government influence.
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I mean, if you think, you know, the one thing that we still in America are very good at that doesn’t happen in the majority of the world, and partly because of the market that we have here and so on, but pickup trucks. So we are still a country. whereby, you know, half-ton, three-quarter ton, one-ton, an on-up type pickup truck. So folks that are doing, you know, landscaping and snow removal and construction and hauling trailers and RVs and so on, that whole market segment is dominated by U.S. companies. Now, I get it. Stellantis owns Ram and so on, and they’re not a U.S. company, but you get what I’m saying there. So Ram, Chevy, Ford, you know, GM, Ford, they are the big three when it comes to building that series of trucks and really innovating and doing more and more and more in that particular series. And frankly, Andy, no one else anywhere in the world builds the type of trucks that we use on a daily basis along those lines. Now, there’s trucks in other countries, but they’re not what we use on a daily basis, mainly because they don’t have the open roads. They don’t have the travel distances we have. All sorts of other things contribute to that. But at the end of the day, Andy, we still dominate that particular segment. And there’s not even ever been a foreign manufacturer that has come here to even compete.
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Wouldn’t it be fair to say that the biggest reason that a lot of the foreign companies just blew ours away, let’s face it, Toyota, my goodness, right, was cheap labor? Because when you have incredibly cheap labor, and this is before robotics totally took over, okay, but you have incredibly cheap labor for decades, right? Well, that means that you can sell the cars at a lower price, right? and have huge volume and still be making much more per car than we are here in America. Follow me for a moment. OK, that means that your per car profit margin is going to be much higher than the companies here in America. OK, if you have that much more in profits, don’t you have that much more to spend in R&D?
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Yes, you do.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, in development. And not just for people in your own country, but you could buy people in America and say, hey, come work for Toyota.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, come work for Mazda. What you just said, Andy, is a great example as to why the big three have dominated in the truck end of things, because that for years has been their biggest profit margin. They can dump all that money back into even doing more and more and more in that particular product line, whereby a lot of foreign manufacturers, I mean, frankly, Andy, and this is what’s always surprised me, They’re good at copying, but the one thing they’ve yet to copy and do a good job of copying is our larger trucks that we have here, the Super Duty, that heavy-duty diesel truck.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, part of the reason is they don’t use them as much.
SPEAKER 04 :
They don’t, but there’s a huge market share here. I mean, those trucks, so most people don’t know this, but F-Series trucks, so Super Duty itself, if it were its own car manufacturer, It’s in the top 10 of car manufacturers in the U.S. as to how much they produce.
SPEAKER 08 :
And their profit margin is through the roof.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. Right. That’s how big. But they’re having to carry their company. They are right now with the EV losses and so on. Absolutely they are. Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. So let me show you where I’m going with this. Would it be fair to say then that unions not only killed the auto industry in America to a degree, okay, a large degree, but they also killed innovation.
SPEAKER 17 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because foreign companies suddenly had a much larger profit margin outside of trucks. I understand that. And were able to, therefore, pour so much more money into innovation. That’s an example of here in America, we should be the ones creating and inventing all this stuff because we’re more of a free market society. But we’ve let unions, who, by the way, are politically connected. Why? Why does a politician want to support a union and not an executive? Well, there’s more people in the union. Each person has one vote. OK, I can support the group that has, you know, a million voters or I can support the group that has 15. OK, I’m going to support them with a million voters. So unions have tremendous power here. Unions raise their wages, inflated them well beyond what they were making overseas with competitors.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm hmm.
SPEAKER 08 :
And wrecked our industry and wrecked innovation.
SPEAKER 04 :
What do you think? No, you’re exactly right. So, again, I got another text message in that basically said, so I think socialism, any form of ruins all industry when it’s all said and done. Absolutely. I believe that. Yes. In fact, it does. Oh, yeah. Proven that it does.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sorry, I can go back example after example in other countries where, yes, in fact, it does ruin innovation. Absolutely. Because it makes people lazy, folks. Sorry. This whole idea that we’re all equal and we should have equal this and equal that and equal care and, you know, the equal medical this and equal medical that, all of that stifles innovation. And because it makes people lazy, it stifles innovation.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and you know, there’s another big word along with laziness, bitterness. Yeah. Because, John, when you have guaranteed outcomes and wages… There’s always going to be somebody looking around saying, wait a minute, I’m working harder than the next guy and they’re getting what I’m getting. Okay? Now, in a capitalist system, you can say, hey, you either pay me what I’m worth or I’m going to go across the street where they want me and they will pay me what I’m worth.
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Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
In a socialist system, you don’t have that. So what do you have? Wait a minute. If this person who’s working 80% as hard as I am is getting the same outcomes and the same wages… Why would I work more than 80%? I wouldn’t. And guess what? Pretty soon you have an entire workforce working 80%. That’s right.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back, and again, keep going back and forth with this particular texter, in a good way, Andy, but this particular texter says that, well, then the country is ruined with no coming back. These other countries don’t seem to be ruined. People there seem happy. You know, happiness is relative, and if you don’t know what it’s like to live outside of where you live, you honestly don’t know whether you’re even happy or not. So let’s start there first, Andy. I don’t know that I would ever say that just because somebody lives someplace else and they’re happy, still doesn’t mean to me that that’s the best scenario. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and there’s a big problem with that theory. What nation on earth? Let’s say we reopened our borders. Please don’t. But what nation on earth is the one nation where more people want to go to than any other?
SPEAKER 04 :
Here, of course.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that can’t be. You see, because if people are happier everywhere else, surely people would be going everywhere else before coming here.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because we still give the, you know, as you know, Andy, and for this particular person listening, Because we still give the best opportunity for advancement in the world is why they come here, Andy. Freedom and advancement is why they come here.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Oh, absolutely. John, the nations that are the most socialist and the most communist, are those the nations where people try to move the most? No, it’s where they’re moving from the most. This is why I love capitalism. Why? Because I want you to have an economy people run to, not from. And by the way, and I’ve said this before, this isn’t just international. Obviously, people want to move from socialist communist nations to more capitalist nations. That’s where the immigration always goes, in that one way, overwhelmingly. But it’s also here stateside. Okay. Where are people moving? Are they moving from more socialist states to blue states, to red, or red to blue?
SPEAKER 04 :
Blue to red.
SPEAKER 08 :
Blue to red. Why?
SPEAKER 04 :
The red states are more free market. That’s right. More opportunity.
SPEAKER 08 :
More opportunity versus less opportunity. Okay. How about urban areas to suburban and rural areas? Are people moving more into the cities or out of them to rural and suburban?
SPEAKER 04 :
Why?
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Where do you have more socialism? Downtown Denver or Greeley?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, downtown Denver.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. See what I’m saying, folks?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
This is an absolute. So this person says, hey, these people seem just happy as can be in these other countries. Then why are they moving here? Why are they trying to move here? And why, in every single case, are they moving from less freedom to more freedom, moving from more socialism to more capitalism?
SPEAKER 04 :
Goes on to say the idea that socialism reduces innovation is a common talking point, but it oversimplifies reality. No, actually.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it doesn’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
It doesn’t. Research shows that innovation depends on investment, education. No, actually, it doesn’t depend upon education at all. And collaboration. No, that’s not true either. And not just free market competition. Yes, it’s absolutely free market competition that builds innovation, because otherwise, why do it? Sorry, this particular individual, sorry. Education… doesn’t build innovation in fact some of the biggest things that have been invented and have changed the world i.e the smartphone came from individuals that dropped out of college right to go do something else because what they were doing wasn’t good enough for them so no you cannot sell me on the fact that education has something to do with innovation it’s actually quite the opposite Yeah, education is simply— In a lot of cases, education ruins innovation, to be real honest with you. It kills it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Education is simply a system that can either unleash you or chain you, okay? It can indoctrinate you and hold you down and try to make you a thought slave like everybody else, right? Or it can be used to unleash you and your skills.
SPEAKER 04 :
In collaboration, let me throw this at you. Collaboration. No, that doesn’t build innovation either because, quite frankly, it’s competition, i.e. Tesla-Edison. Had it not been for those two going head-to-head with one another, you wouldn’t have had developed what they developed when it came to electricity back in the day. If they would have somehow collaborated – Highly doubt we’d even be where we’re at today along those lines. It was because of that head-to-head competition and one wanting or needing to outdo the other that created what we have today. So, no, you won’t sell me on that collaboration builds innovation. Again, quite the opposite. You know what collaboration builds? Laziness. Because I’ll let this guy do the innovating instead of me doing it. So, no, collaboration does not make innovation at all.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and by the way, John, even the positive things I just said about education, those are designed to launch you into what? The free market where you’re no longer in the education system, and now you are using tools that you learned in there, but they’re just tools, folks. They are tools that already exist. You’re not inventing something there. You’re giving tools that already exist, and then you go out and do what? Innovate.
SPEAKER 04 :
And again, the majority of the large… innovative companies that are out there and have been that way in the last you know four decades let’s say the last forty years quite frankly have come from individuals that never went or graduated college at all so sorry you’re not gonna sell me on the fact that education innovates cuz quite often it stifles innovation oh yeah sorry it just does focus by design by the way cuz and here’s why it’s by design and i’m sorry i’ll probably get an argument here as well but marxism Marxism squashes innovation. And what are all of our schools filled with? Marxism. So you can’t tell me that education in America today innovates. There’s an exception. There are some exceptions that where somebody will come out of Harvard or Yale and they’ll have some business idea and they do very well and so on. But by the way, those are the one-offs. Those are the anomalies. That doesn’t happen on a routine basis. Most of the time, those guys just roll with the flow, do what they’re told. They’ve got their degree. They’re going to go work their degree and blah, blah, blah. There they are.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, it’s very simple. Marxism doesn’t create, it redistributes what is already created.
SPEAKER 04 :
It doesn’t create, it takes, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Well, that’s redistribute.
SPEAKER 04 :
It takes. It takes. It doesn’t create, it takes.
SPEAKER 08 :
It takes from one and levels and gives to another. It literally crushes innovation. It literally crushes motivation. That’s the whole point of it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly, because if you’re innovating in Marxism, there’s new things that come out that stifle what even government can do for you. So we don’t want that. We want just the opposite, because the only way we can control the masses is if they’re not innovating, Andy. Right. Why would we want that? Why would we want a smarter population at the end of the day? Oh, no, no, no. We want a dumber population. And by the way, they’ve succeeded very well at that, because look at the test scores and everything else we have going on in America today when it comes to regular school, high school, college, and so on. Yeah, those are inflated numbers. Reality is we are graduating dumber people today than we were 20 years ago.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
By a long shot.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. And may I say this to the texter? Just a little reminder. I was raised on the hard left. OK, I was raised by leftist academics. My dad was my principal at my school. My brother also had a master’s degree in education. I was raised to be able to tell people how communism works and why it would work. And socialism is just, you know, another extension of communism. It’s all from each according to his ability to each according to his needs. Folks, I was raised to believe all of that. I threw it away. Why? It’s false. It doesn’t work. It wrecks everything everywhere it goes.
SPEAKER 04 :
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Go ahead, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ve got a question for you. What purpose does collaboration actually serve? Because I do believe there are good uses for collaboration. I don’t see it so much for invention, but maybe in coming together and having the best ways of operating as a team.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I think when you’re talking, you know, once something’s invented and we’re now trying to figure out how do we maybe mass produce this or how do we produce this better? How do we, you know, how do we distribute this better? How do I improve our systems internally? Yeah, collaboration, I think, works very well for that. But collaboration when it comes to actually inventing something, Eric, I think you’ve seen even in some of the movies where we were trying to invent the bomb or we were trying to come up with new ways to do things inside of our own military and so on. There was always one person leading the charge. Yes, there was some collaboration under that particular individual, but it was that one individual that had all the foresight to make sure things happened moving forward.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, and then when you had other individuals who would have great ideas, it was usually in their area under the umbrella of the total idea, okay? And so you got a total idea, and under it, you got A, B, C, D, E, and guess what? You got this brilliant person who in D comes up with something else.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. All right, Eric, you’re next. Go ahead, Eric.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, no, I was just listening to what you were saying and thinking about, you know, my dad, he grew up on the farm, and… You had to be creative. You couldn’t always go out and pay to fix your tractor.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good point. And how many, you know, the cotton gin, all these different inventions came from people that had to be innovative. They were trying to overcome problems. They weren’t out there collaborating. No, they were out there in the fields. Sometimes literally. Sometimes they were in the auto dealership or they were in the auto repair shop, whatever. They had to overcome a problem. And that’s where a large percentage of our innovation came from.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Eric, as the saying goes, necessity is the mother of innovation, of invention.
SPEAKER 14 :
Invention, yes. Yes. Yeah, so this concept, yeah, do we have Bell Laboratories? Of course. Do I work for a major defense contractor? Yes. But where did a lot, you know, even now, the government is trying to speed up acquisition and innovation in the military field by going to companies that are external. And those companies are for-profit. But they are trying to overcome problems that are limitations. And it still comes down to that this isn’t government funded. And it comes down to that it’s the individual workers or a couple of workers that are coming up with these innovations. But you look at the television show Shark Tank. What is that whole show about? It’s about individuals. They have a solution. They have a product that they’ve come up with, and they’re looking for a financier. Those are all individuals.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Eric, getting really quick here, getting back to the military contractors, just a reminder, I’m a U.S. Air Force veteran, and I can tell you the military is about running what we have, not having new things.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, no, we do come up with a lot of new stuff. That’s part of my job is to test and evaluate to make sure that the warfighter gets what he needs. Very true. But it is still very much, it’s improving upon something that we already have. And each incremental improvement is still a lot of times come up with, you know, out in the field, the, the, person out in the field says hey this rifle doesn’t work quite right but i found this solution can we can we do this improvement good point um you know and there’s you know same with with overcoming problems that we had with humvees that we had with multiple different tanks hey this is what we ran into in the field how can we overcome this Uh, so yeah, military innovation is still very much, you know, starts at the grassroots. I mean, even when I was in, in the army way back, we had power problems and, uh, quite literally our, our Sergeant was Hughes and we joked that it was Hughes engineering on the site because he was, he was coming up with adding MOVs, which is a, uh, It’s a power regulator, you might say. But if you get a sudden power spike, they’ll blow up. But they protect your equipment. Adding those to our equipment, just so many different little tweaks that he put in. And every time he did these, he submitted all the Army paperwork for, hey, this is how we are protecting our facilities. This is how we’re improving it. And in that all that paperwork ultimately went up to Pentagon, you know, and ultimately went to into the next generation of our facilities.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, Eric, that actually makes a lot of sense because it is out in the field. The people who are hands on with a product, any product are going to come up with a lot of the tweaking of that product. Why? Because they deal with the things that go wrong. And they’re going to be the ones who say, okay, this is what goes wrong all the time. And you’ve got some egghead, okay, back in the lab, never deals with the product out in the field. They can come up with ideas, but they’re not going to be out there seeing what actually goes wrong. So, yeah, I can definitely see a lot of innovation is going to come from the field, and that field could be the military. Good point.
SPEAKER 14 :
Or going back to my original, my dad came off the farm.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 14 :
How many improvements to harvesters, threshers? um winnowers all these different things came from somebody tinkering on the farm what were the wright brothers they were bicyclists you know bicycle makers yeah background yeah that’s exactly what they did yeah that tinkered with making an aircraft right good point you know and and you can go all through our our history here in the us and the numerous inventions They started with individuals. It was not collaborative effort. And like you said, it became competition. Who could get into the air faster? Who could overcome some other problem quicker? You know, the invention of the light bulb, all of these things. So, no, like you were saying, that texture is not correct. It is mostly… individual led in in just somebody, you know, whether how many how many different housewives came up with solutions to washing laundry, to washing dishes. A lot of our automations in the house actually came from housewives that it’s like, man, I spent so many hours doing this, right? How can I automate it? How can I make it better?
SPEAKER 04 :
and and then but they didn’t necessarily back then get the credit for their patent right right yeah great point great point eric no you’re spot on great awesome yeah great call eric thank you man i appreciate it very much great call and and again it doesn’t mean that other countries haven’t innovated but the the way they innovate and And the earth-shattering innovations, we’ve talked about that a lot. Again, Joe’s called in the past numerous times. I mean, the things that we have come up with over the years as a country that have literally benefited the entire world, it’s a long list.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, what I’d like to hear from you, John, is some of the advances that have happened with cars from pure competition, people who have to soup up cars because of street racing, car racing, auto racing, and all these kinds of things.
SPEAKER 04 :
Tons. No, Andy. In fact, there’s a lot of innovation that comes out of the racing world. And to give some of the foreign manufacturers credit, they get some of that as well. Oh, yeah. But by and large, a lot of what happens here in the U.S. with strictly, you know, racing, whether it be NASCAR, drag racing, other things, I mean, there’s a lot of technology that comes out of that particular end of things. It does make its way into the overall manufacturing process. And, Andy, it’s been that way for years. That’s why a lot of the manufacturers have racing programs that they’re funding because they know innovation comes from that.
SPEAKER 08 :
This was the fascinating part about Ford v. Ferrari for me. See, I mean, you understand this stuff, what they were talking about. I don’t. Watching them innovate to get just a hair quicker or lighter on the turn, it was incredible.
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This isn’t Rage Radio. This is Real Relatable Radio. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 04 :
all right and again most of this hour we spent on just you know invention innovation and so on and again don’t forget that when a lot of this patent end of things you came into play was under obama you know just a question i guess i would have been again i know trumps got a ton on his plate you know why hasn’t some of this stuff changed under Trump, well, I’ll be first to tell you, big business has huge influence. We heard that from Randy as he was talking about the lobbying and so on. And the reality is, even though Trump is president, he doesn’t control the way the patent office and other things work along those lines. That’s stuff that has to happen legislatively speaking. And when you’ve got big business in the back pocket of a lot of these legislatures, good luck on changing that.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree. And also we have to keep in mind, there’s never been a more active and busy president than Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
He simply has more on his plate. I hate to say that, but it’s true.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that’s a particular area that has to legislatively be handled. And again, you’ve got a lot of lobbying from business that wants to stifle that because they know if they can control that, they’re the winner in the end. They don’t want Andy and John inventing something.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
They want to be the inventors of because they want to control the marketplace. They, as a matter of fact, hate competition. Google, for example, hates competition. They don’t want any.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Of course not.
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Another full hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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