In this insightful episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush welcomes Aidan Grogan, a writer and history PhD from Liberty University. Together, they delve into the controversial topic of global depopulation agendas. With references to both historical and current perspectives, they discuss the ideas and misconceptions surrounding overpopulation. Aidan provides a deep dive into his recent articles advocating for changes in international funding and sheds light on the misconceptions held by biologists versus economists regarding resource scarcity and abundance.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Aidan Grogan joining us now, writer, history PhD at Liberty University and a Young Voices contributor. Aidan, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 14 :
Doing great. Glad to be here.
SPEAKER 16 :
Always a joy having you. All right. This is something, by the way, that we’ve talked about on this program many times, especially during COVID. Frankly, I’ve been talking about it even long before COVID, and that is this belief, and I believe in this, that there is a depopulation agenda out there, and it’s not just governments. There are a lot of private citizens and philanthropy organizations and so on that believe in that as well. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 14 :
You are absolutely correct.
SPEAKER 16 :
So this is a topic that you have just written about recently. Give us your thoughts and your findings on this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I wrote a piece for the Daily Wire advocating for the Trump administration to cut funding to the United Nations Population Fund, which was founded in 1969 and was really part of this post-war global effort to limit population growth based on these Neo-Malthusian ideas that the world is overpopulated and population growth will eventually outpace food production and lead to widespread ecological catastrophes, famines, wars, etc.? ?
SPEAKER 16 :
And the reality is, and I remember reading some of those back in the day, Aidan, because I’m old, and I remember just reading those thinking, okay, wait a minute, time out. I live in Colorado. I’m a native. And those folks that are around here know exactly what I’m going to say next, and that is as you leave Denver, Aidan, and you head, by the way, any direction, north, east, south, west, Literally, Aiden, it is literally mile after mile after mile after mile, hundreds of miles of literally nothing, open, farmland, things along those lines. And as a young person, because when some of these things came out, that’s about where I was at age-wise, I’m thinking to myself, Aiden, hang on, time out. These guys think the earth is going to be overpopulated, and yet I can drive literally for a day straight until I hit Kansas City.
SPEAKER 14 :
Certainly, yes. The Earth can handle far more humans than we presently have. And, you know, in the past, few decades, resource supply has only increased with greater human population. And the reason for that is when you have more people, there’s more productivity, more innovation, more brain power, thus producing more abundance. And the prices of commodities actually go down. The population control establishment thought the opposite would happen. They thought that due to resource scarcity from overpopulation, the prices of commodities would skyrocket. That was really the claim of the biologists who don’t understand economics, whereas economists like Julian Simon said that, no, this is going to pan out just fine in the long run. We’ll be able to adapt and overcome any population problems we might face. and ultimately will benefit everyone through increased abundance because the ultimate resource in the end is people.
SPEAKER 07 :
Aidan, I got two quick points. First of all, I have to disagree with you that more population brings more innovation and intellect. California. Okay, so just so you know. So Andy disagrees. Just so you know, there’s a little roadblock there to your thinking. And number two, I got a big question here. When they get together and have these depopulation consortiums and they talk about lowering the population of the earth, how many of them volunteer to go first?
SPEAKER 14 :
Two points. First, I want to address your first point. Okay. To produce the resource abundance, which thankfully has been produced in recent decades, requires economic and personal freedom. California does not do very well in that regard. You got me. Oh, you got me. They do not.
SPEAKER 16 :
You are correct, Aiden.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. As for the population control establishment, they tend to think of themselves as above the rest.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, I see. So they should be the ones who are left on the lifeboat.
SPEAKER 16 :
They’re the controllers.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because, I mean, if the lifeboat is overloaded and we’re all sinking, shouldn’t they jump off first? I mean, to help humanity. No, they’re in charge of the rudder.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right, Aiden? I mean, I’m saying that laughingly, but honestly, I’m not too wrong. They’re in charge of the rudder. They’re going to steer the thing, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s what they believe. I think that this is ultimately metaphysical in many ways. They sort of view themselves as these supreme adjudicators. They view themselves as appointed by… whatever, to make these decisions. And this whole idea that there has to be this appointed priest class managing human population dates all the way back to ancient Mesopotamia. In the Atreus’ epic, the gods are concerned about humans reproducing too quickly, and all the noise that humans make keeps the god Enlil awake at night, and so he decides to destroy humanity except for one noble person, similar to the story of Noah’s Ark. But then after this great flood, he appoints this priest class to limit population growth. Plato and Aristotle also wrote about the need to control population. So this idea is very ancient. It’s been with us for millennia. And the brilliance of human minds, of innovation, of creativity has consistently proved it wrong.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. Really quick, I read a book years ago, Aidan, and when this was all going on, I can’t remember even the name of the book now and the lady that wrote it, but I just remember reading different parts of that book, and one of the things that she said was, hey, all of this nonsense, literally, about overpopulation and so on and so forth, as we as a nation get wealthier and we spread that wealth worldwide… Population will automatically start to go down because as nations get richer, they stop having as many kids and they automatically depopulize on their own. So this whole idea of we need to depopulize is actually opposite. As countries get more wealthy, you need to figure out how to keep the birth rate up. Otherwise, they’ll die.
SPEAKER 14 :
That is certainly true. In the least developed countries, people aren’t really thinking long-term. They’re thinking about how are they going to get food on the plate to feed their families. So they’re not really making reproductive decisions about what’s coming down the road 10 or 20 years from now. So as countries do… become more prosperous through free markets, they tend to make decisions about the long run because they’re not just concerned about what’s going to happen today or if they can even survive another week.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s right. And so, and by the way, everything that that particular lady wrote, has pretty much come true because there’s even stats out now, Aiden, as you know, that just naturally, if we keep on the path that we’re on worldwide, you’re going to see the population of the world peak and then start to, at that point, continue to go downhill, not uphill.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, and it’s not just going to be a gradual decline. No. It is going to be a precipitous decline.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because if every woman in one generation says, we’re just going to have one kid, and then every woman in that next generation says, we’re also going to have one kid, well, then you only have 25% as many grandchildren as grandparents. So that’s how quickly population can decrease. So while the human population will continue to go up for another couple decades, It’s then going to plateau and by the middle of this century, maybe 2050, 60, we’re going to see populations start to go down very rapidly. So young people especially need to take that into account when they plan for their future. how they save their money, because the world is going to look a lot different in five or six decades when there’s a significantly larger retirement age population than working age population. That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Aidan, you kind of get to a point I was thinking. It’s really funny because a lot of the same people who want to depopulate are also – very much against ever raising the age of retirement for Social Security, Medicare, and so forth. Do they ever look at things called numbers?
SPEAKER 14 :
Apparently not, because the hard economic data shows that their theory about overpopulation is wrong. I would point people toward the great work of… Cato Institute’s Marion Toopy, who has shown from 1980 to 2017, the resource abundance has increased by 380%. And for every 1% increase in population, there’s been about a 1% reduction in the prices of commodities. So the population controllers are often biologists or environmentalists. So they don’t work as much with numbers as economists do. Economists tend to understand human nature and our capacity to adapt and overcome problems much better than than biologists.
SPEAKER 07 :
Aidan, do you think and I know I’m getting a little current here, but do you think some of these people also factored in in, say, California? And I’m not saying so much that they wanted fires to come through and burn people. I’m not saying that. But what I mean is they didn’t care about lowering the amount of water that was held and kept for people to use. Instead, they only cared about fish and other things. It just seems to me they don’t have people very high on their priority list.
SPEAKER 14 :
And it really came back to hurt them. Go ahead. Yes. Well, the heart of this Malthusian agenda is quite anti-human. It denies that people have intrinsic dignity. It views certain people as a burden on others or as a burden on Mother Earth. So it doesn’t really place the dignity and well-being of human beings at the top of the value hierarchy.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s right. You’re 100% correct. Aidan, how do folks find you and your work?
SPEAKER 14 :
You can follow me on X at Aidan Grogan. That’s A-I-D-A-N-G-R-O-G-A-N. Also, you can visit AIER.org. That’s the American Institute for Economic Research. And I have several articles published there, and I will be publishing more in the near future.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay. The vote that’s coming up Thursday, I don’t know what time of the day, when it comes to the bylaw changes that Dave Williams has put out there. And we were talking off air about, you know, how will that vote go? What will be the outcome? What does it mean? And so on. And here’s my take on things. If, by God’s grace… that gets defeated and those changes don’t get made, there is hope for the Colorado GOP in Colorado, even going into the gubernatorial race in 2026 and a Senate race, by the way. I always want to say Governor Hickenlooper, but Senator Hickenlooper.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
There is a slight glimmer of hope if, in fact, we can defeat that moving forward, because most likely that means we could end up with some different leadership and be more prepared for those particular races and so on. If, on the other hand… Those bylaws changes do go into effect. We’re done. Yeah. I’m sorry to say, folks, all hope is lost.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
I have no idea how in this state moving forward, outside of there being some sort of movement independently of the GOP, Colorado leadership, I don’t know how that would even work. I don’t know if legally that’s even possible. I have no idea how you would run anything outside of them to bypass them to try and still get some things done in Colorado because they will literally hold the purse and the cards on everything that happens moving forward, and good luck.
SPEAKER 07 :
They will have consolidated so much power.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, we have to keep in mind, John, what if their endorsements in the last election had gone through? What if their endorsements had not been shut down?
SPEAKER 16 :
Trump would not have the ability today to even do things, legislatively speaking, moving forward that he has right now to do.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, and we would have lost several other elections as well throughout the state. Look, John, I got nothing. If these people remain in control—
SPEAKER 16 :
We’re done.
SPEAKER 07 :
We’re done. People don’t understand. Also, they say, well, we turned around our fundraising. Folks, their top two sources of funds that came were, number one, they squeezed presidential candidates for $40,000 each. Okay. And then, by the way, endorsed against them and refused to give back their money, which is wow. But also the House Fund gave them a bunch of money. Had you not been in a presidential— That’s Kevin McCarthy who gave them a bunch of money.
SPEAKER 16 :
Had you not been in a presidential election cycle, the day you happened to be in charge of, you wouldn’t have seen any upticks whatsoever. The only reason there were any upticks is because of the fact it was a presidential cycle into what Andy said a moment ago as well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and also, if it had not been a massive nationwide red wave, we would have gotten slaughtered. Because, as I’ve said many times, Trump increased his margin nationally by 6.2%, only 2.5% in Colorado, one of the worst in the country. Which means, I mean, we lost almost 60% of the red wave. What if we hadn’t had the red wave? I mean… John, I don’t even understand. I don’t understand. They’re not going to be able to bring anywhere near the money over the next two years, regardless of who’s in charge. They frittered it away. They launched a bunch of lawsuits when people wanted to hold a vote. On whether or not to keep Dave and his people in power. You know, and this is what really blows my mind. All they had to do, because they say, well, you know, we want people, they want to sue people like Eli Bremer to try to get that money back. And it’s just like, guys, you didn’t have to launch all these lawsuits.
SPEAKER 16 :
You didn’t have to do anything.
SPEAKER 07 :
To save his butt. No, you didn’t. All you had to do was hold the meeting. Say, fine, okay, guys, if you don’t think that there’s enough support for it, if you don’t think there’s, you know, a quorum, fine. Hold the vote. Dave will win easily and then move on.
SPEAKER 16 :
And those of you that maybe haven’t looked and you should because it’s really not that hard to do, go look at the Colorado GOP’s FEC report, federal election, you know, report. You have looked over this all the time.
SPEAKER 07 :
Way in detail.
SPEAKER 16 :
Continue to look at it. Go look at that, though, and look at where some of their expenditures are. For example, there’s one recent expenditure, which I haven’t seen anybody write about. And this one I’m just really wondering about because I don’t know this particular attorney. Seems like a one-man band. It’s Melito. I think I’m saying that right. Melito Law. They’ve written checks so far. to him of $12,000 and $16,000, meaning he has collected about $28,000. And what he does is, this is his tagline on his website, when experience matters, civil and criminal racketeering attorney. Now, why would the Colorado GOP need a civil and criminal racketeering attorney that they’ve actually paid some sort of a retainer to? Why would they need that, Andy?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Any thoughts?
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, virtually all… Would you agree with this? Virtually all the legal money that they have spent has all gone toward one purpose. To save Dave Williams’ job. Right. Okay? They are spending an enormous amount of money on legal fees just to keep Dave in his job. Now, they were able to do it finally because a Democrat judge who wanted Dave kept in his job… Yeah, and by the way, they’ve been putting it all over the place that the judge ruled that the people who led the coup were against the law, were illegal, that they held an illegal meeting. That’s not what the judge ruled at all. The judge ruled, hey, you need this percentage of all the members of the SEC, not just the quorum that you had at your meeting.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. He didn’t say it was an illegal meeting. No! He just said you didn’t have enough.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. So they’re lying flat out. But, John, they’ve spent all this money on lawyers and lawsuits for one purpose, to save Dave Williams’ ass.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and to further this Melito law along, and I don’t know this person. I have nothing against this person, by the way. I don’t even know the person, so I can’t say one thing. good or bad about this particular attorney. But again, some of his taglines or boxes you can click, I guess I should say, to find out what he will do for you is complex white collar and organized crime. That’s one thing he’ll represent you for, Andy. Criminal defense, which again, Kevin Flesch does, so nothing against criminal defense lawyers. Business clientele and complex civil litigation. So I’m wondering, which one of those three do we as a party in Colorado need? None. Thank you. So why have we paid this guy $28,000 as a party then?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Well, obviously he’s connected. He’s probably a donor. Okay. Probably some of the money goes right back to Dave.
SPEAKER 16 :
I didn’t go through all of that to determine that. I’m just looking at this saying, okay, wait a minute. From the outside looking in. Why would you need to pay this individual, whether it’s a retainer? I don’t know what it is. There’s no notes. That’s the other problem I have right now with the way the accounting is done at the Colorado GOP is it’s very vague in what you’re paying for at times. Our state party right now needs a complete audit. on what’s going on, so we can backtrack some of these things and find out exactly what have we paid for.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, the only lawsuits that I know of that they have tried to push out of the state party are lawsuits to save Dave’s job and to go after open primaries. Really, that’s it. I can’t remember any other lawsuits they did. Can you?
SPEAKER 16 :
No. And once again, I look at the type of attorneys that they’re hiring. This one in particular, I really don’t have any idea why you would need somebody that specializes in organized crime or white-collar crime defending you. Why do you need this particular type of an attorney on your side?
SPEAKER 07 :
They probably know them. It’s probably connected. Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Still, again, and this is my other issue, Andy, though, is we know a lot of people that are connected in the party. And, you know, we hear of different names and so on and so forth. I’ve never heard this particular attorney’s name ever in any circle in anything I’ve ever done. Nor have I. So I’m thinking, no, this is an actual hire of an attorney that is going to have to represent something or defend something going on inside of the Colorado GOP right now. This is not a friend of a friend or anything along those lines. They have purposely gone out and found this person to put them on retainer to protect them at some point in time for something they’ve done. That’s how I see this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Could be. I don’t know. I really don’t. All I know is they’re spending an awful. Look. KBB didn’t spend all this money on legal fees.
SPEAKER 16 :
This is crazy. A lot of you that are supporters, how many of our candidates in a lot of the smaller races around the state could have even just taken a fraction of that $28,000 and helped them in their particular race and possibly have won?
SPEAKER 07 :
One of the biggest complaints that a lot of candidates have is they didn’t help us.
SPEAKER 16 :
$28,000. They didn’t help us at all. To a criminal defense attorney that specializes in white-collar crime and mafia-driven things. Sorry, I don’t know how else to say it. Okay. $28,000, and that’s just what I looked at. We may have written more checks, because remember, this report’s always about a month behind, so I don’t know what we’ve written in January. Could be another $12,000 or $15,000.
SPEAKER 07 :
You’re talking $28,000 over what period of time?
SPEAKER 16 :
Two months.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, gosh. How much has it been over the two years Dave has been in place?
SPEAKER 16 :
As far as all legal stuff goes? Yeah. Over $100,000?
SPEAKER 07 :
Over $100,000 that they have spent on legal fees largely to keep him in his job. And it’s like all he had to do was just say, hey. Hold the vote.
SPEAKER 16 :
And this last one, again, these particular checks that were written to Melito Law, I believe, I didn’t put this in my notes. I’m going back on my recollection. But I believe this was October, November disbursements because I don’t think December is done yet, Andy. I don’t think it’s quite that up to date. So you could have had another check even in December to this particular law firm.
SPEAKER 07 :
This is amazing, John. This is amazing seeing this much money spent on legal fees. Then they blame all their critics. Well, it’s because all our critics are coming in. We’re having to defend ourselves. It’s like, why?
SPEAKER 16 :
Why are you having to defend yourself? This is for all of you supporters of Dave out there. If you’re not doing anything wrong, what are you defending?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. What are you defending? Look, if you want to say, because they keep saying that their critics don’t have a quorum, they don’t have a majority, they don’t have the numbers, and maybe they’re right, right? But if that’s true, why not just hold the vote? This all goes back to June. You could have just held the vote then. and not spent any of this money, that money, John, could have gone to candidates. Could have just held the vote. If you guys are so sure you would have won it, and by the way, maybe they would have. I don’t know. It’s really close. The SEC, I think, kind of tilts their way a little bit. Maybe they would have won, whatever.
SPEAKER 16 :
Depends on who shows up that day.
SPEAKER 07 :
But I’m telling you what, if I were the chair of the Colorado Republican Party, And a group of people, a large group of people, you know, large enough, came and said, we want to hold a vote on whether or not to retain you.
SPEAKER 16 :
We’re challenging your leadership. We want to know if you’re still fit to do this. We’re going to hold a vote to find out whether. I’ve said this publicly, Andy. I, if I’d have been the leader at that time, I would have said, bring it on. Yeah. Let’s do it.
SPEAKER 07 :
And so would I. And I would just say, look, guys. There is no way I’m going to waste our donors’ money fighting you. Hold the vote. I’m going to make my case to the people. You hold the vote. And if they want to remove me, that’s fine. That’s what’s best for the party.
SPEAKER 16 :
So the question I’m asking Dave and his supporters is this. What are you guys afraid of? I’m being very straight up honest. Dave, what are you afraid of? John, everything they do is to hold on to power.
SPEAKER 07 :
Everything.
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SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, and we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thank you all for listening today. I appreciate it very much. And, again, I know there’s times where we focus a lot on our state party and what’s going on, and I do get a lot of thank you comments from a lot of you that maybe didn’t even know a lot of this stuff was going on. You’ve kind of, you know, heard some of this stuff. As of late and why it’s so important to me is because not only did we just go through a really solid election with Donald Trump and a lot of the things that happened there. And in spite of our Colorado GOP, we got some really great representatives elected that are now going to help Donald Trump in his mission to get some things righted in the country. But on top of all of that. In just two years, which I know for a lot seem like it’s a long way away, but trust me, time flies. And we need to be preparing right now for the upcoming election in 2026 where we’re going to elect a new governor for the state of Colorado. Of course, a lot of other little offices when it comes to things that happen inside of Colorado, senators, representatives, and so on.
SPEAKER 07 :
A new senator.
SPEAKER 16 :
And then on top of that, another senator, because Hickenlooper is up for reelection as well. So we’ve got a senator election, a senate election, I should say, and a governor election. And I will tell you right now, we are ill-prepared for both. I agree. I don’t think we have any preparations, by the way, for either one of those.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we certainly don’t have money. We’re spending it all on legal fees.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that’s a problem.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it is. John, we should be right now putting together a war chest to help these people.
SPEAKER 16 :
And as a side note, and I know the Democrats are really well and they’ve got a machine and they will figure some of these things out. But right now, keep in mind, there’s sort of an internal battle going on, even in their own party, for who’s going to run on their side for governor. You’ve got Phil Weiser, who’s our attorney general, who, by the way, has never even tried a case in court. I don’t know how he ever got to be attorney general, but that’s a whole other conversation. Right. You’ve got him that threw his hat in the ring to run for governor of Colorado. And then just recently, and no, she hasn’t formally announced it, but she will, Jenna Griswold is also going to throw her hat into the ring because there’s already been some internal things going on with her that pretty much prove she’s going to throw her hat in the ring. So you’ve got these two now, which… By the way, it doesn’t typically happen on the Democrat side. Normally, they’re a little bit more lockstep, especially in those two positions where they work pretty closely with one another, Andy. Right. Normally, they’re not going to be that closely related, quote unquote, air quotes, and then both throw their hat in the ring. So the Democrats have some issues as well. My point is, given that fact, we should be more organized on our side and we’re not.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, because for once, the Democrats are going to be tearing into each other for a few months.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that’s good. And we don’t have a clue what we’re doing on our side.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 16 :
Honestly, we do not have a clue.
SPEAKER 07 :
We have no plan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Our leadership here, they’re more worried about paying legal fees for our chairman, which is literally what they’re doing, than they are helping candidates get elected.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, and endorsing candidates that lose by 30 points in the primaries.
SPEAKER 16 :
What’s funny is when I get on these topics and I bring up some of the money and the spending and so on, occasionally some of Dave’s supporters will actually text me and have some sort of a comeback to that. In this case, Andy, crickets, they don’t say anything.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, because it all comes back to the same thing we’ve been saying. All you had to do was hold the meeting in June. You hold a meeting in June. all of this goes away All of it.
SPEAKER 16 :
I’ve never gotten an email or a text message defending the things that I’m talking about today in regards to our party leadership. And it’ll be interesting to see if anybody even comes out and defends what I was saying and Andy was saying about who’s really pulling the strings. Because I think a lot of Dave’s supporters think he is. And a lot of you that are, you really need to take a close look at the things that I gave you examples of today as to why I can prove… that he is not the leader. He is the puppet doing things that other people’s beckoning. But at the end of the day, no, he is not your leader.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, the interesting thing is, John, for Dave. Williams is the first time he represents the first time that the hardcore activists in the Republican Party have seized control of the Republican Party of Colorado. Now, don’t get me wrong. We’ve had Tea Party and Liberty oriented chairs before we did. But this is the first time you’ve had an all-in, hardcore, opt-out-of-the-open primaries, no matter what the consequences, do whatever it takes, endorse in primaries, all this kind of crazy stuff. This is the first time that they have taken over the party. And what I’m saying is this. They don’t want to give up that power because those people are probably thinking, if we lose power—
SPEAKER 16 :
We won’t get it again.
SPEAKER 07 :
We’re not going to get it back.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, no, they’re hanging on for dear life.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because people are not going to want us back after this.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, Andy, absolutely. They are hanging on for dear life. They are going to do every single thing they possibly can. And I’m sorry, I’m going to say it this way. They will cheat. They will lie. They will do whatever they can from this point forward to make sure they retain power. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. They have absolutely no conscience. There’s no scruples with these people at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
None. Zero. They have no conscience whatsoever holding them back. They have no internal lines saying, I won’t cross that. Nothing.
SPEAKER 16 :
There is none of that, Andy. These people are all out. They have grasped, to your point, the power. They do not want to give that power up because, and you’re 100% correct, they know that if they do, they’re never getting it again. Not in my lifetime. Because everybody’s going to remember what’s happening. And really quick, some of you don’t know this backstory, but I’m going to go ahead and throw it out there. You guys might as well know the truth. The reality is, we did have a really solid, liberty-minded candidate at one time that did a pretty good job while he could in running the party. That was Steve House, good friend of mine. Until… Some of those liberty-minded people that we’re now talking about that, by the way, are in charge right now, tried to throw a coup and have Steve thrown out of office. Right, but their coup was okay. Those knuckleheads are the ones now that are in charge.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, they are.
SPEAKER 16 :
Literally, those same knuckleheads that tried to do that back then that, by the way, are mad at guys like Eli claiming that that’s what he was doing when, in fact, that’s not at all what he was doing. No. Eli was just doing what I’ve been trying to get done now for almost two years.
SPEAKER 07 :
Eli wanted no power. Remember, he only wanted to be the chair through the election and then turn it over. He wanted literally no power going forward.
SPEAKER 16 :
The very people right now that are in charge that tried to throw the coup back when Steve House had first become GOP chair, I’d have to go back and look and see exactly what year that was. I was very involved in a lot of what was going on at that time in a lot of things that I will not repeat and say because you guys just don’t need to know the gory details. But the reality—and by the way, I was made fun of. I was called stupid, and I didn’t know what I was doing, and I didn’t know my— My ass from a hole in the ground and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Couldn’t find my ass if it was in front of me. I mean, these are the sorts of things that openly were said about me back in the day. And those same people are now in charge of the party. And they’re utter morons. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
And those people will look at Steve House. They call him a rhino. Steve House is a Trump supporter.
SPEAKER 16 :
You hear him every Thursday here talking about the very things Andy and I talk about every day.
SPEAKER 07 :
Steve House is the ultimate Fauci opponent. Correct. Exactly. Steve House loves all of Trump’s appointees. Steve House is on your side and you hate him. You know why? Because Steve House doesn’t run on rage. He runs on intellect.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and there are things that, and I love Steve dearly. He and I go way back. But there are things, literally, and Andy was right, there are things that even Steve is behind at times where I’m like, yeah, I don’t know if I’m quite as far right on that as you are, Steve. But hey, go ahead. I still love you. We can kind of maybe agree to disagree. And by the way, not very many things that I feel that way about. We are pretty much on the same path on almost everything. But Steve on certain things is farther right than I am. Proving your point, Andy. He is not a rhino, not any stretch of the imagination.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think these people at times only respect rage.
SPEAKER 16 :
They are whacked. They are crazy in the head. They are loons. And unfortunately, they are in charge of the party.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, they are.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 16 :
By the way, thank you all for the very kind text messages that you have sent in. Some of you thanking us for giving you all a lot of education and background on things that have happened inside of the party and really laying things out in a way that you guys can understand what’s going on. Somebody else says, man, we’ve got to get some of the young people to really listen and understand how all this works as well. And Andy and I are up for anything when it comes to reaching young people. Others of you have have asked, why won’t the national GOP step in and handle things? And by the way, I’ll tell you why. Because Dave has them snowed. Dave has this particular administration, which, again, I think eventually they’ll figure this out. But he’s got the Trump administration snowed big time, thinking that everything here in Colorado is hunky dory. And the Trump administration itself has no idea how gory things really are here.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, bottom line is Dave backed the right horse.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Dave persuaded, he campaigned to have the Colorado State Party endorse Donald Trump in the primary. Right. Donald Trump then became president, and now, you know.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good luck.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, good luck getting the state national party to go after him.
SPEAKER 16 :
If we were to somehow contact somebody nationally and explain what’s going on, we would be looked at as just a bunch of whiners. Everything in Colorado is great. Look at all the representatives that won. And, again, because Dave is taking – publicly, Dave and his cronies are taking credit for the Gabe Evans and the Cranks of the world. Who they didn’t help one bit.
SPEAKER 07 :
They campaigned against them.
SPEAKER 16 :
But they’re taking full credit for those guys being elected, and that’s exactly how the Trump organization is looking at things, because that’s what Dave is telling them.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I think a lot of it is this, and for those who think, well, Andy, are you going to attack Trump on this? No, I’m not.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, it’s not his fault.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, Donald Trump has a state chair who endorsed him, which, by the way, shouldn’t have endorsed in primary. It wasn’t necessary. Trump would have won anyway. It was so stupid.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
All you did was insult all the supporters.
SPEAKER 16 :
That was a big brown nose move on the part of Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 07 :
Totally, because Dave Williams wants power.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And so Dave Williams did that. And guess what? It worked. If you’re Donald Trump. Look, Donald Trump is somebody who has been opening up tons of allegiances that are not traditional. Kennedy, right? Tulsi Gabbard. Elon Musk. He has been broadening his base dramatically, and look at what it did. We won a landslide because of it. Hey, I can’t fault the guy. So when he looks at somebody like Dave Williams, who was loyal to him and helped deliver Colorado for him, okay? Yeah. I know, I know. He would have won Colorado anyway. Right. But who got the state party to endorse him, he’s not going to turn this. And remember, the other thing. Donald Trump is a very loyal man. He’s very loyal.
SPEAKER 16 :
The other feather that’s in Dave’s cap for all of that is the lawsuit that was going on where there were a lot of folks, including some true rhinos that wanted to take Trump off the ballot. Yes, our state GOP and a lot of others, ourselves included, really campaigned against all of that. That ended up backfiring. Trump was still on the ballot. But again, Dave is taking credit. Even where credit isn’t due, he’s taking credit for a lot of things that to Donald Trump looks favorable. And it’s sort of like, Andy, how should I say it?
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s like… They’re taking credit for Donald Trump staying on the ballot as if he was going to be taken.
SPEAKER 16 :
But really quick, it’s like… siblings, where you’ve got mom and dad. And one sibling is always honest and in a lot of cases may even get in trouble because he or she is very honest and always owns up to the things that they do. In some cases, mom and dad might even look down on them just ever so slightly because they are very honest and they’re probably the one that’s in trouble more than the other one then you’ve got the other sibling who’s a big brown noser right who knows exactly when to say what to mom and dad at just the right moment knows how to schmooze and woos and do all the things necessary to make sure mom and dad love them the most even though when it’s all said and done they’re the dirty rotten scoundrel not the other sibling yeah that’s the that’s the sibling that gets the most recognition from mom and dad am i explaining that correctly you are
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, the Bible asks the question, the Psalms asks the question, why do the wicked prosper? The reason that question was asked is because the wicked do prosper. Because they do. Okay, these people will say, well, if they were such bad guys, it would all fall apart.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not necessarily.
SPEAKER 07 :
Where have you been? The wicked prosper in this world. These things work. The very same things are being done by people ganging up on good employees at every company. Right. Okay. And getting positions they shouldn’t get.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
This works everywhere.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s no different in this particular situation. So those supporters out there.
SPEAKER 07 :
And they got the CEO liking them.
SPEAKER 16 :
But these supporters that are out there rallying around Dave. Guys, and I know some of you listen. you’re being hoodwinked. You’re being blinded. You literally are being schmoozed, just like Donald Trump, when at the end of the day, all Dave and his cronies that are really in his tight little circle, because again, I don’t think Dave’s actually running things, all they care about is themselves and their power. Well, that’s what Dave and his cronies care about.
SPEAKER 07 :
The people who support Dave, really, the biggest reason, John, is this. They’re very angry over what’s been taken from them, and they see Dave as somebody who will fight even when it’s irrational.
SPEAKER 16 :
He’s the revenge factor.
SPEAKER 07 :
So they see him as a mini-Trump in that way. He’s not, but that’s how they see him.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I know. Andy, not even close. But yeah, no, you are correct. That’s exactly how his supporters see him. So again, those of you listening, those of you that are close supporters, some of you that are on the committee that are going to have a vote on Thursday, I really, I cannot impress upon you enough. Really take a step back. Listen to some of the things that we have explained today and really analyze what’s this vote going to do. And at the end of the day, does it really help the party or does it hurt the party in ways, by the way, that we’ll never get back moving forward? So I’ll leave you with that. Guys, have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
