Join John Rush and legal expert Kevin Flesch as they explore the complexities of maintaining personal and family safety within legal boundaries. This episode covers everything from the instantaneous decisions required when a potential imposter approaches your home to how privacy rights extend to digital devices like cell phones and the conditions under which law enforcement can access them. Detailed listener questions bring real-world perspectives into the conversation as Flesch answers queries about privacy in a rapidly digitizing world, emphasizing why upholding individual rights is more important than ever.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Kevin Flesch with me today. 303-806-8886 is Kevin’s number directly if you ever need any legal representation, civil or criminal. One last question, Kevin, on the vehicle side of things. If you’ve got a gun and it’s locked in a vault and there’s a four-digit code, whatever, sometimes they take a key, and an officer asks you to unlock it, do you have to?
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So that’s a great question. So if you have a CCW permit and it’s in the vehicle and the officer asks you for it, yes, because if you don’t, it’s in violation and the statute says that you have to give that weapon to the officer during the traffic stop. Okay. If it’s in there and you don’t have a CCW, then it becomes a question of whether or not it’s a valid search. So the question is, why are they asking you to open it up? And that may be a question that you ask the officer. What is the purpose for me opening up this safe? And see what their response is. If it’s a safety response, if it’s, listen, I want to make sure I have this gun in my possession, while the traffic stop is going on, you most likely have to open it and give that to them. If it’s just a search, then you can disregard it and say, no, I’m not willing to do that because that’s a consent issue. They would have to get a search warrant to get in there. But they’ve got to have probable cause, and maybe they think there’s something else in there, but they’ve got to have a reason that’s reasonable to a judge.
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All right, moving over to the house. As we saw from last weekend, there was an imposter that was running around, ended up doing some damage, shot two people, killed two others, and was on a spree, basically, to continue down that path. Why he didn’t, nobody knows. We may never know. But reality, Kevin, is the question always comes up. Okay, if someone comes to the door, in this case, he was a pretty good imposter, even wore a mask. I mean, he looked very much like he was actually – A police officer had a Ford Explorer, had the lights on it the whole nine yards. But what’s the law? What’s the rule when somebody actually comes to the door, starts knocking? In our domicile, in our home, what is it we have to do or not do?
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So relating to answering a door, you never have to answer your door. You never have the obligation to go to your door and answer it. If you’re going to answer the door and you think that there’s someone at the door that is going to cause you harm, Then we’ve got the Castle Doctrine. It’s a well-known doctrine that basically says that you can protect yourself in your home for almost any reason. You can’t be shooting somebody as they’re running out of your house. and shoot them in their front yard, but you certainly have the ability to defend yourself when someone is in your house. So that’s the question. If someone is at the threshold of your home and you’ve opened it up, you really did think that they’re an officer, and you realize now that they’re not, if you have the ability to do whatever you can to close that door and lock it and make sure that person doesn’t come in, you have every right to do that. If that person, I’m assuming in this particular case, he pulls a gun, I’m hoping that… Threatening. Yep. then I’m hoping that you’re coming to the door with a gun so that you can defend yourself.
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Yeah, because the way I’ve read everything and the way I’ve, granted, some states are different, but I know here in Colorado, if that particular situation were to happen here and that guy’s in the threshold and he’s aiming a gun at you and you shoot him, I think you’re pretty safe at that point.
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You are. You are completely safe. And in that situation, you’re going to want to call 911. You’re going to want to say, I’ve just been the victim of a home invasion. and I’ve shot the person, you want to make sure that they have information about who you are, where the person is, and then you wait for the police to get there, because they’ll obviously do an investigation to make sure that what you’re saying is true.
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Okay, let’s do another scenario, because I’m sure text messages will come in along these lines. Let’s say, for example, you’ve got maybe… a little bit larger property, maybe you live on an acre or two, and all of a sudden, somebody comes up to the door. And there, you know, you’ve told them, hey, I’m not talking to you, they start to leave. And maybe for whatever reason, you walk outside. And as you’re walking outside, all of a sudden, this guy spins around, and maybe there’s even a couple of them. And maybe they’re brandishing weapons at that point in time. What can you and can you not do legally at that point?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, same thing. So you meet like forces. So if it seems, that the forces that they’re using are lethal forces, then you’re able to respond with lethal force. So remember, you’ve got to think about six or 12 people that are going to be on a jury making a determination of whether or not you acted reasonably in the situation where you’re not inside of your home, then the The standard changes a bit to was this a reasonable response relating to what threat you had performed towards you. In other words, what is the other person that you may shoot at or may cause injury to? What were they doing to cause you to respond in that way? And is that a reasonable response? If the person is driving away, doesn’t seem to be a threat any longer, you can’t shoot out their back window, you know, that sort of thing.
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And let’s say you’re, and some people sleep very heavy, some people sleep very light, but let’s say that, you know, you’re a heavier sleeper maybe, and all of a sudden you hear a door rattling, screen door, or even a window, and Things are kind of rattling around and you just think, man, something doesn’t just sound, you know, right. And you’re kind of you wake up, you’re kind of in a fog. Maybe you’ve grabbed your gun, whatever the case. Maybe you’ve got a shotgun sitting next to the door. Who knows? But all of a sudden, you know, you you encounter an intruder that maybe isn’t even armed, but they’re, you know, coming through a screen or they’re coming through, you know, a window or something along those lines. And you shoot them at that point in time. What’s going to happen?
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Yeah, well, you’re. There’s going to be an inquiry. But again, if it comes back to your dwelling, comes back to your home, and this person is coming into your house, it looks like they’re breaking and entering. that’s a felony, that’s something that you have the right to protect yourself on, and you have the right to use lethal force. Okay.
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Is there ever a time, so let’s say, for example, it’s typically, these can happen at night, I get that, but, you know, this is during the day, and, you know, officer comes, and, you know, we’ve got daylight, you know, that’s really long right now, so, you know, it could even be eight o’clock at night, but they show up at the front door, they knock, you can pretty much tell that they’ve pulled up in a patrol car, maybe there’s even a couple of them, and they climb out and they knock on the door, and you go ahead and decide to answer. Do you answer and then walk outside? Do you invite them in for coffee? I mean, what do you do at that point?
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Yeah, I would always… I would open up the door and walk outside myself so that you’re not inside your home and then see what they want. If it’s something that you’re willing to have a conversation with them about, you have that conversation. But if you’re not, then you ask them to leave.
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Yeah, because for some of you listening, some of you say, well, why would they be doing that? I’ll give you an example. You guys all know this. My two cousins were murdered up in Thornton. Nobody knows why at this point. Still no answers on that. And, of course, the cops have gone to all of the other doors, of course, Kevin, asking if they’ve seen anything, if there is any activity, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So there may be something that happened a few doors down, and they’re going to come to your door to say, hey, did you see anything? Do you have any footage? Is there any footage you’d like to share with us, et cetera? I mean, you’re not in trouble, but they’re trying to do as much fact-finding as they can.
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No, not at all. They’re there to, they’re trying to, you know, and that’s what happens a lot of times is your interactions with the officers are voluntary. And you just get to decide how much of that interaction you want to have. And if you have information that you want to provide them in that situation, then you provide it. If you don’t, you don’t, or if you’re not comfortable doing it, then you say, you know, I’m, I appreciate you being here, but I’d like you to leave my premises at this point. And they have to leave unless they have probable cause or search warrant.
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Now, what if, and I know because you and I have talked many times along these lines, and I learned some things from you along these lines as to why you don’t want them in the door. Why don’t you want them in the door?
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Yeah, you don’t want them to be looking around, seeing anything in plain view that they may believe that leads them to probable cause to get a search warrant for your house or something. I mean, you just don’t know. I mean, I’m paranoid about that, right? I want to minimize the ability for them to have any interactions with me or my personal belongings or anything else that may lead to something. You don’t know the purpose when they show up. You don’t have any idea what they’re investigating. You may be a person of interest. and they may act like you’re not, you may have nothing to do with it. You just don’t know. So you need to do a lot of work.
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And for all of you listening, some of you would think, well, you know, I don’t have anything where they would be interested in it at all or not. Well, let’s say, for example, Kevin, I’ll give a great example. Let’s say that, you know, maybe you just had a Facebook marketplace transaction and you happen to have, I don’t know, $10,000, $15,000 of cash because that’s the transaction you made. And by the way, if you sold a car, that could very well be the case. And maybe that’s rubber banded and it’s, you know, It’s just sitting on the counter at that point in time. Well, all of a sudden the officers walk in, they look over, they see that cash there. Well, you know, depending upon the officer, Kevin, that could be some red flags.
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Yep, exactly. I mean, I had a case five, six years ago, a family all living together, and one of the individuals in the family is dealing drugs. And the other two members of the family that are living in the household, they have a business where it’s a cash business, and it’s completely legitimate. Well, when the police did their search warrant for the guy that had the probable cause for the drug dealing, guess what? All of that legitimate cash was taken into it, and they were trying to say that it was related to this illegal activity, and it wasn’t. And we had I had to file suit against the Denver Police Department to get that money back because they were trying to keep it, and they didn’t have the right to do that. So it happens.
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Absolutely. So there you go. There’s a great example. So, all right, we’re going to take a break. Come back. We’ll keep talking some more house stuff. If you’ve got a question for us, please. We’ve got Kevin for about 15 more minutes is all. If you’ve got a question, please text me now, 307-200-8222. Geno’s Auto Service up next. If you’ve got any issues at all with your air conditioning in your car, go to Geno’s. They’ll take care of you now. They’ve got a great special on this. Geno’sautoservice.com, and Geno’s starts with a J.
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All right, we are back again. Kevin Flesch with me. Kevin Fleschlaw. You can call him 303-806-8886. Two questions that came in, Kevin. One of these actually from Charlie. We see all these things that happen at times. And as you said earlier, you know, we typically, you know, Cops are doing a great job. They’re out there trying to protect the public. We get that, okay? And this is by no means an attack on them. But there are also situations where they may actually have the wrong address for the search they’re trying to serve, and they now are knocking on your door. What if you don’t answer and they just come barreling in, guns a-blazin’? You know, how does that work?
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Yeah, absolutely. And there’s been a fair amount of litigation over this issue because there’s been people that have been hurt and killed in those situations. That’s just— Sometimes it’s willful conduct on those individual officers relating to getting the wrong place and going to the wrong location. Other times it’s just negligence on their part. And so those are situations where you want to be the adult in the room and say, listen, guys, you’re in the wrong address. And you’ll want to ask for that search warrant to see what exactly they’re saying they’re searching for and where the location of the search is. supposed to be, they have to provide you a copy of that search warranty if they come in unannounced. So they’ve got to provide that to you.
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Okay.
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Other question that came in was… All the TV shows and everything else that you see, you know, where they’re coming in with all these folks, you still have to have some communication, especially in regards to a personal residence, about why they’re there.
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Next question came in cell phones. All of a sudden something happens and they want to take a peek at your cell phone. What can they and can they not do to make you open up? Because most are locked now, either facial recognition or numbers or whatever. What’s the rule there?
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So cell phones, they’re electronic tethers to us, right? They are the ability now and the technology is they can In most urban areas, your cell phone can be tracked within basically 100 feet of where you are because of the triangulation of the cell phone towers. You still have a privacy right to your cell phone and to any of the information that inside of it so I again much like your car or your home you’re not going to provide a police officer with any ability to get into your phone and you have a complete privacy right relating to that and that’s gone all the way up to the US Supreme Court and Apple in particular has been fighting about this and why that’s why I see ads for them is they’re very concerned about your privacy absolutely and and it’s really important because there is just so much data and in our phones these days that I would never allow a police officer to either have my lock for the screen or to get into the phone, period. Because even if they go get a search warrant, they still generally can’t get into that phone because the providers won’t give the information to get into it. So it’s like it has a giant lock on it, so don’t unlock it for them.
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Next question comes in on the same lines, only this is a little different take. What about kids who have cell phones and a school, you know, either an SRO or an administrator wants them to unlock the phone? What does that do on the minor sides of things?
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Yep, same thing. They’re actually supposed to be talking to the parents first. because the child doesn’t have the ability to authorize the opening of the phone. SROs are still police officers, so they still have the obligation to follow the Constitution. Other individuals within the school should be talking to and legally have to be talking to a parent to have them unlock that phone. And again, the parents shouldn’t be allowing it. In my opinion, that’s a family matter that you deal with the child on your own. and that you try to keep the authorities from the school out of it completely. Obviously, if they believe that there’s criminal activity that’s going on, they can, again, go get a search warrant and try to get information.
SPEAKER 14 :
This kind of hits closer to home because this is going back to the case I just mentioned with my cousins where the police are having a hard time getting everybody’s other ring camera footage and so on to try to determine who actually came and went from that house and so on. What’s the legality along those lines? Do they have to have a search warrant to actually get that footage? I mean, on the same token, if you’re – I guess the way I’m looking at that, Kevin, if I’m not involved and I can help any way, shape or form, you know, find somebody that did this, I personally would be willing to hand that over. But I get it. Everybody’s a little bit different. What’s the law in that case?
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Yeah, that’s exactly right. It’s the same thing. You can voluntarily provide that information and provide that evidence to the police. There’s lots of cases that we deal with where they’ll go around a neighborhood and get the neighbor’s ring camera for additional, you know, maybe a different vantage point or something else. That’s regular police work that’s being done. But if it’s not voluntarily given, then they have to subpoena it and have a probable cause determination for a search warrant that a court would allow them to get it. In the course of a you know, a criminal investigation they can subpoena it, or after the case has been filed, the lawyers on each side have the ability to try to subpoena that data if they think it’s out there to have somebody come in and talk about it. And then the person that is subpoenaed gets to make any arguments whether they should disclose it or not.
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In this case, though, where there’s no found perpetrator at this point, there’s no case, there’s no charges, there’s no nothing, that’s a whole different can of worms, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
It is, but if they have probable cause and they believe that the evidence is there from a neighbor, for example, they can do a search warrant. They can ask the court to authorize the request, and then they can go and serve it on the person. And then they have some defenses. If they don’t want to provide it, then they can have a court hearing about what it is they have or don’t have and why it’s important. I mean, you never know. I suppose there might be some privacy right issues relating to that data. I don’t know. You know, is there… Is there something that’s on it that they’re concerned about that maybe the court can review in camera so the parties don’t see it and then make a decision as to whether it’s relevant or not? That sort of argument.
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Anything else on your property when, and I guess maybe this is a question, maybe I should word it this way. Where does your personal property line start and end when it comes to having any kind of law enforcement on it? In other words, it’s a public sidewalk, but now it’s your yard or it’s your walk coming up to your house. Where do things start and stop along those lines?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, so relating to sort of the castle doctrine, they talk about the curtilage, so that’s anything that’s attached to the home. garage, those sorts of things. Outbuildings probably are included if they’re close. If you have a 10-acre property and it’s 250 yards away and it’s a garage that’s used for storage, that may not be part of your home, so that’s something to be considering. Relating to where the police can come, it’s basically exactly what you talked about. The sidewalk is certainly public. People walk that. That’s regular kind of commerce that you’d expect them to be, but once they jump off of that sidewalk, and they’re now on sort of either your front yard or a walkway to your door, that becomes your property. Those officers then have to have your permission to be there. If you don’t want them to be there, you tell them that they need to leave, and they’ve got to follow that recommendation unless they have some sort of court order saying that they can stay there. Got it. Okay. Same thing with a bigger piece of property. Same thing. You know, if you’re out in – you know, the more rural parts of Colorado and you have a 30 acre parcel, They can’t be rummaging around in your 30-acre parcel.
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Okay, so let’s take this to a, you know, same, you know, whether it be a 5, 10, 15-acre parcel, whatever, and you’ve got the main house, you may have an attached garage, maybe you’ve got a detached garage, maybe you have a barn that’s within, oh, I don’t know, Kevin, 50 to 100 yards, and, you know, you keep a lot of your other things in the barn. It may not be your house, but, you know, maybe it’s got a little bathroom and even a shower, and you spend some time out there and so on. Is that still the domicile or not?
SPEAKER 08 :
So I would say that once you get past that sort of 100-yard mark, and if it doesn’t have the ability for you to be staying in it, a bathroom and other things like these man caves, then it starts feeling like it’s still a domicile. So I think factually you can make the argument that it’s still your dwelling. I think when it’s just raw storage… Maybe it doesn’t have a shop in it. You’re just using it for other purposes. Right. It’s not heated.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s just kind of outside storage and so on.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s probably a little different scenario, right? The chicken coop probably doesn’t count. Right. I think that that’s, you know, you’ve got to consider that. But the police still don’t have the right to go in that. Right.
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Well, and I’m looking even more along the lines of, okay, let’s say that, you know, you’re out in your barn and you’re working and all of a sudden somebody shows up because they don’t know you’re there. And, you know, maybe you put a long night in because you’re working on a project or something and all of a sudden somebody shows up and they’re armed and there’s a confrontation and somebody ends up, you know, not living after said confrontation. Is that still considered, you know, in the castle end of things? Is that still your castle and are you okay? Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re probably going to be looking at more of the interpretation of the statutes relating to reasonable force. And so you don’t have quite the protections as you would in your house. But you’re still, I mean, let’s face it, in either of those situations, whether you get charged or not, you never want to take somebody’s life without knowing exactly that you know you’re doing the right thing. And so because we’ve got the criminal side and the civil side, remember the civil side, someone can still be charged. civilly and somebody’s trying to get some money for a wrongful death potentially if, you know, you’ve made a mistake that, you know, it’s a neighbor that’s drunk and they’ve gone to the wrong house or the wrong garage, you know, something like that and you didn’t… Which, by the way, is different.
SPEAKER 14 :
Different than if two guys show up with ARs and black masks and they crawl out because they’re trying to steal. You know, maybe you’ve got a nicer car collection or something along those lines and they thought you were gone on vacation. But no, you’re out in the shop working and all of a sudden they show up and they’re fully armed. I mean, that’s a different scenario, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Completely different scenario. Absolutely. And again, they’re brandishing weapons. That’s an indication of lethal force they seem to be going to be using against you. And of course, most likely it’s one of them that’s died. They don’t have the ability to testify about what actually happened. The only witness that can testify at that point would be you. And you’re going to say, listen, I reacted because I thought I was in danger. of having my life taken, so I use lethal force, period.
SPEAKER 14 :
And a lot of you that would have that already probably have outside cameras that would even prove everything we just said, which even makes it even that much better. So at the end of the day, you’re probably – again, all of these – I should have said this to begin with, Kevin. Every situation is going to be different, legally speaking. It’s where you come into play and folks have to call you. And I would say, guys, keep Kevin’s number on speed dial because if anything happens – I say it all the time, you’re on the civil and criminal side both. You never know. They need you if something were to happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and I think the biggest thing, the last thing that we probably could talk about this is the fact is that if you’re serious about self-defense in your home, you’ve got to practice these things. You’ve got to think about what you would do in these scenarios and make sure that you’ve done some of these things so that you understand what to do defensively to really take full advantage of these sorts of situations so that you’re ready. I mean, it’s much like anything else. If you practice it, you’re going to be much better when you get into that situation than have never been really thinking about it before. Great point. Because it’s one thing to talk about it on the radio. It’s another thing that once you go do it and once you start thinking about how am I going to approach this situation, You know, and what am I going to do? You know, do I announce myself? Do I not announce myself? You know, do I say I have a gun? Do I not? I mean, most individuals who actually teach these sorts of things say, you know, you never tell someone you have a gun unless you’re going to immediately use it. And if you’re going to immediately use it, then just use it. Right. Be done with it. That’s right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. Kevin, as always, I appreciate it. It’s been too long. We’ll do this again in the not-too-distant future because there’s a lot of stuff we didn’t even get a chance to cover, so we’ll do this again shortly. And as always, I appreciate your time greatly. You’re a great resource.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Thank you, John, and thanks to all your listeners.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
And we are back again. Special thanks to Kevin Flesch for joining us today. Took time out of his day, which I appreciate greatly. Joe, what’s up, sir?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, we’ve got a couple things going on. But it was a great segment with Kevin. He’s a great guy. Very informative and stuff. Everybody. needs to know and should have available to them. So they’re just fantastic.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really quick, just to add another plug in for Kevin, because, Joe, you’ve met many attorneys in your day, and I will tell you that of all the ones I’ve ever met, as far as actually being able to concisely explain something and not get into a lot of the gobbledygook that a lot of lawyers want to go down the path of, Kevin does a tremendous job of explaining things.
SPEAKER 09 :
He really does. Clear, concise layman’s terms, easy to understand.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Not a lot of legal gobbledygook. Yep. Hey, John, how about we start off with Charlie Kirk explaining why the U.S. isn’t a democracy and why he’s glad it isn’t. And I think we only need to play like the first two minutes. I think I can do that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Let me get my sound up. Charlie, are you ready for me? Here we go.
SPEAKER 21 :
Do you view democracy as an American value, something that’s very important to the fabric of this country?
SPEAKER 20 :
No. Where is democracy in the U.S. Constitution?
SPEAKER 21 :
Oh, OK.
SPEAKER 20 :
So hold on. Where is the word democracy?
SPEAKER 21 :
I don’t think the word democracy is in the Constitution.
SPEAKER 20 :
So where is the word democracy in any of the Founding Fathers?
SPEAKER 21 :
A lot of the Founding Fathers had extremely elitist viewpoints around who should… No, hold on.
SPEAKER 20 :
You said the word democracy, so I want to get back to our roots. Yes. Where is democracy mentioned in the Federalist Papers, the Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence?
SPEAKER 21 :
I think it’s good that this country has moved away from things that were explicitly believed by the founding fathers.
SPEAKER 20 :
So it is mentioned in the Federalist Papers, and it’s mentioned negatively as a problem. So you ask me, is democracy a fundamental American value? I say no, because I go back to our roots, and Hamilton, Madison, and Jay… Oh, I know that Hamilton was anti-democracy.
SPEAKER 21 :
These people thought that people should be owned as…
SPEAKER 20 :
I want to be clear. I am pro-representative government, but I’m not pro-democracy. That’s a big difference, and that distinction is important. But you ask very specifically about democracy, which is not an American value. It never has been and never should be. Because what is democracy? Democracy is majority rule no matter what. that there’s no provisions of checks and balances, no inalienable rights, no separation of powers, pure if the majority gets it, the majority wants it, as quickly as possible.
SPEAKER 21 :
I don’t advocate pure democracy. I do understand that we live in a representative, like we live in a republic, and I understand these things.
SPEAKER 20 :
I believe in representative government.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
And you might say I’m splitting hairs on words, but I’m not.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, just coming from a place where on some level we have a level of democracy in this country and people vote and it is part of their civic duty to vote.
SPEAKER 20 :
Representative, sure.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes. Do you not think it is in the greater interest of this country at large that its citizens are as educated as possible to therefore be able to participate in that system?
SPEAKER 20 :
I think they should be as wise as possible. And I don’t think that education and wisdom are the same thing. Yeah, I understand. In fact, I think college disincentivizes the cultivation of wisdom.
SPEAKER 14 :
In the age… All right, I’ll leave it at that, Joe, because that one goes on for quite some time. But he makes great points, by the way, and something that on this program, I don’t rarely correct guests, Joe, because I just feel like that’s kind of rude. But the one thing that I have always corrected guests on that have come on this program is when they use that word democracy, because we don’t have one.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s right. And let me give you a simple example to his point about mob rule. If we were democracy, and we are… I’m not saying we are… by law, a Christian nation, but by religious belief, we are overwhelmingly a Christian nation or a Judeo-Christian nation. And if the Judeo-Christian population, if there was a measure on the ballot, on the federal election ballot, to outlaw the practice of the Muslim religion in the United States, if we were a democracy and all the Christians and all the Jews in this country voted to outlaw the practice of the Muslim religion, it would be outlawed. That’s a pure… But fortunately, we have a constitution that that protects the rights of the minorities, and the First Amendment is that the government shall make no law restricting the practice of religion. So that’s why if you’re a Satanist or a Muslim or a Buddhist, you are safe from the democracy, what would happen in a democracy if all the Christians and Jews decided that only Christianity and Judaism could be practiced in this country.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s where the protests this last weekend were just so loony tune, Joe, because the reality is we haven’t had a king in over 250 years. We don’t want a king. We left that. We have a representative form of government. So we have three branches of government. I may go down the list and keep going and going like Charlie did. I won’t. But the reality is these are people, Joe, that are, to Charlie’s point a moment ago, highly educated, but yet very stupid.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, education and wisdom, John, don’t go—in fact, I think Charlie Kirk makes that point. You know, I’ve met a lot of people with PhDs who are idiots.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely idiots.
SPEAKER 14 :
Educated idiots, I call them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Not a lick of common sense. By the way, did you hear about Netanyahu calling Macron of France, asking him for help with Iran?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I didn’t.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, so Netanyahu says, I need your help with Iran, and Macron said— stop, we’re not going to help you attack Iran. And Netanyahu says, no, no, no, I just want, I need your help, I need you to teach them, I need you to help teach them to learn how to surrender.
SPEAKER 14 :
There you go. There you go. And by the way, I just got a great comment from a couple of texters, by the way, not just one, but a couple that said, we have some of the best Most educated, wise guests, and not only that, but Kevin Flesch being a great sponsor as well, and just a great kudo to all of you that are listening, the questions that come in, Joe, yourself included, and we do. We have, I think, some of the best listeners and some of the wisest folks out there that make me look really good, by the way.
SPEAKER 09 :
John, you don’t need a lot of help. You look good all by yourself, but glad to be part of the support team.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and thank you, by the way, for you, Joe, and those of you listening and texting that in as well. I mean that sincerely. We have some of the most wise listeners, I think, anywhere, Joe, and it’s a real testament to the crowd that we run around in. Let’s just say it that way.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, you’re not including John from Wyoming.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, no, no, not John, though. No, we’re excluding him.
SPEAKER 09 :
Not John, okay. Just want to make sure I’m not including John in that group. All right. Hey, Mike, I quoted the week this week in my podcast, quoted the week. We all know who Thomas Sowell is, the economist.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
He had a great quote about, you know, the trouble Europe is going through, you know, the no-go zones, you know, the bombing. Sweden is having, like, one bombing a day, you know, explosion. Here’s his quote about the— you know, they open the floodgates, unlimited immigration, you know, from people from Syria and all the countries. He said, Europe is belatedly discovering how unbelievably stupid it was to import millions of people from cultures that despise Western values and which often promote hatred towards the people who have let them in.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. Okay, I want to dovetail into that because there was a question I saw today. I don’t respond to much social media stuff because that’s almost like banging your head against a brick wall. So I just don’t go there, Joe, much. You do. Andy does. More power to you. I’ve got other things to do. I don’t have time. But there was a question that went out today that this was a legitimate question, and it was a conservative asking this that basically said, you know, hey, you know, the argument about guns, for example, that if we take, you know, all guns away from everybody, then, of course, we’ll be a lot safer. But yet the Second Amendment believes that everybody has the right to own a gun. and so on and so forth. So this guy’s question was along the lines of, then why, if we apply those same principles to Iran, why is it okay for one country, even one nut job country like North Korea, to have a nuke versus Iran having a nuke? I can answer that, but Joe, what would your answer be?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it goes down to, in most states, when they do a background check, if it is shown that you are unstable, you have a history of criminal actions, you can’t get a gun. And all of these countries, North Korea, Iran, and a dozen others we could name, have a history of criminal behavior.
SPEAKER 14 :
You can’t have a weapon if you have a history of – Yeah, and I think to dovetail in what you were saying a moment ago about the whole idea of Europe and being invaded with the Islamic regime and so on, you’ve got to realize that at the head of that is, of course, Iran. And Iran’s goal across the board is not only – and I can remind people of this because most people on the street don’t know this – their goal is to not only eliminate – Israel, Joe, but to eliminate us as well in the United States of America. Iran’s number one goal is to eliminate us and Israel combined.
SPEAKER 09 :
In their prayers every morning, it’s death to America. That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And death to Israel.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s right. So that’s in their, every day, every, you know, in their prayers.
SPEAKER 14 :
And as much as there’s other nut jobs like Kim Jong-un, I don’t think he’s waking up every day having that prayer to Mecca, doing the exact same thing that’s happening in Iran. And some would say – and I would say even, Joe, that’s the difference. I mean, the reality is even as big of a nut job as Kim Jong-un is, he’s not the same nut job as the Ayatollah is.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no. Iranians, they’re ruled by religious zealots. And by the way, it’s really sad. Most people aren’t old enough to remember. At one point, Iran was ruled by the Shah of Iran, and they were a friendly, capitalist-friendly nation. friend, ally of the United States.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, freedom, they weren’t… Well, Joe, it was one of the most beautiful countries on the planet, second to the United States of America. They had a prospering economy, great people. It was a great tourist place to go, on and on. I mean, we can go down the list of the things that they did really, really well, and all they did was allow that to be screwed up by the Islamic regimes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, the religious zealots overthrew the Shah. He was a, you know, let’s call him a benevolent monarch. But he did a great job of running that, and the country prospered. People prospered. Women had freedom. They didn’t have to cover their faces. They could go to school. They didn’t.
SPEAKER 14 :
Joe, most people don’t know this, but I actually went to school with at that time, I guess you would have called them Iranian refugees. They actually came to this country because of the way things were getting in the mid 70s. This is about the time I went to school with were great friends, by the way. They were great people and they literally left the country because of the very things you’re talking about.
SPEAKER 09 :
And actually, there’s a couple of guys here.
SPEAKER 14 :
And really quick, some of you out there don’t know this. Not to interrupt Joe, but really quick, some of you may not know this. Joe, you’ll know this name. For some of you that maybe don’t know this, this is no longer the owner because it’s been bought since. But Mike’s camera here in town, here in Denver, was one of those particular individuals I am talking about. And I went to school with some of his nieces and nephews. And the reality is that was the family that came from Iran at that time, Joe.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. And John, a couple of the guys that go to the health club, I go to there about my age. Same thing. They are refugees from Iran, and they talk about how good it was when the Shah was, you know.
SPEAKER 14 :
And then they talk about how bad it got.
SPEAKER 09 :
And how bad it got and why they left. And by the way, back then under the Shah, they didn’t throw homosexuals off the top of buildings or hang them from construction.
SPEAKER 14 :
Not at all. Not at all. I got another clip. You want to play the next clip and intro it?
SPEAKER 09 :
Sure. This is, you know, I may have played this a couple of weeks ago at the end, but maybe people didn’t hear it. This is my favorite senator, John Kennedy, interviewing our new president. Secretary of Energy Chris Wright. Now, remember, the election took place on November 5th and Biden lost. And then on 76 days later, Trump was sworn in. So that was 76 days in total. But you had a Thanksgiving vacation. You had a Christmas vacation. You had eight weekends. So I think of those 76 days, John, there was only like 49 working days. And he’s telling Senator Kennedy how many billions of dollars in government grants and government-guaranteed loans were issued. And we can only play about the first two minutes.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’ll play this really quick. Here we go.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’ve come in with great concern about how this institution, this great American institution has been run and how American taxpayer money has been handled. Chairman, I look forward to you. We’ve got a lot of work ahead of us.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, Senator. Mr. Secretary, I want to go back to some of your earlier testimony and be sure I heard it correctly. The 76-day period you’re talking about, that’s the period between the time that President Trump was elected and President Biden left office, is that right? That is correct. And during that short period of time, 76 days, how much taxpayer money went out the door of the Department of Energy?
SPEAKER 12 :
From the loan program office in loans and commitments, $93 billion. Well over twice as much as in the previous 15 years.
SPEAKER 04 :
How do you vet and do due diligence on a loan in 76 days? One loan. much less $93 billion. How do you do it?
SPEAKER 12 :
I think it’s probably pretty clear it wasn’t done in many cases. I’m going to leave it at that, Joe. The answer is they didn’t.
SPEAKER 09 :
They didn’t. And think about that. They pushed more money out the door in 76 calendar days, which is only 49 working days, than they did in the previous 15 years.
SPEAKER 14 :
Years. Not months. Years.
SPEAKER 09 :
Years. Talk about shoveling money. Talk about irresponsibility. And, of course, just like Solyndra, which was the $500 billion loan. Obama’s deal. And when they bankrupt nine months later, you know, when Obama gave the federalists, I think you were going to see that money, those bankruptcies coming left and right because you can’t possibly. And, by the way, the typical loan was probably not a billion dollars, probably $500 million.
SPEAKER 15 :
Probably, yeah, that’s right.
SPEAKER 09 :
We’re probably talking, John, several hundred loans.
SPEAKER 14 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 09 :
You can’t do several hundred loans in 48 working days.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, Joe, it’s impossible. Can’t be done. You can’t do it. No. And by the way, a private institution couldn’t do that. Nonetheless, the federal government, because they take longer, Joe. I mean, anybody that’s done anything along the lines of grants and SBA and so on knows it takes a lot longer to go that route than it does a regular bank.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And let me, to build on that, John, let me just go back to Solyndra. It’s ancient history, but let me point out. Sure, go ahead. So Solyndra went around, they shopped their business plan to every bank and every venture capital firm of note in the country. I mean, I think they went to 14 banks and 22 venture capital firms. And these banks and venture capital, John, they hire the brightest people at the top business schools. And every single one of them looked at their business plan and turned them down and said, no, we don’t think this is viable.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
But the federal government comes in and says, no, we’re smarter than all of those banks and all of those venture capital firms. We think that’s a great business plan. Jeez. How arrogant, John, is that?
SPEAKER 14 :
A, it’s very. And B, then you have to wonder what kind of kickbacks and things are happening along those lines, because typically that’s really what it boils down to, Joe. And I think it’s even being determined on this $93 billion that there’s a lot of what I just said going on in relation to that as well. Political kickbacks galore. That’s why all that stuff got approved as quickly as it did.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. And yes, and by the way, it was proven that the head of Solyndra became a huge Democrat donor just as soon as they got that money.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
uh… talk about funding there’s an organ that you know these uh… you wonder all these writers are getting all the funding all the money who’s near there with their flying them in there put them up in hotels are feeding us with the money coming us well and let me tell you ever heard of an organization called the churches c h r i l a ever heard of that organization yep coalition for humane immigration rights right uh… well senator josh hall has been has opened investigation because it turns out they’ve been funding a lot of the uh… uh… providing funding for the rioters. Well, here’s where they got their funding from. They got a $44.8 million tax-free in 2022 from various donors. Its executive director makes more than $200,000 a year. It spent nearly $1.2 million on travel, and it’s spent a big $9 million on lobbying since 2019. So, by the way, so Chirley got $450,000 from Biden’s Department of Homeland Security. Department of Homeland Security gave them $450,000. Yep. That same organization got $34 million in government funding, mainly from the state of California, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Amazing.
SPEAKER 09 :
The state of California.
SPEAKER 14 :
Amazing. Amazing. Joe, I’ve got to run with that, man. I appreciate you very much, as always. Thanks for changing up today and giving Kevin a little more time as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re quite welcome, John. Happy to do it.
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SPEAKER 14 :
About a minute left, and I’ve gotten several messages today with Kevin Flesch being on from a lot of you in Wyoming. And my heart goes out to you because there’s not just one person, but several people talking about how corrupt, literally how corrupt, Some of the police force, sheriff and so on up in that area actually are. And I have no personal experience with this other than those of you that are texting me. And I I’m not going to say that I don’t believe you because I have no reason not to believe you. So I got to believe what you guys are saying is true. And I’ll just be straight up honest. You guys need to fix that. You either need to elect a new sheriff, clean house, new city council, whatever the case may be. But you guys need a clean house. It’s a bunch of garbage what’s going on up in that Cheyenne area. And I’m sorry to say that because, you know, I don’t live up there. But from everything I’m getting and some of the information I’m getting back, you guys have some real complaints that need to be handled. And I would be one that would be on that. I don’t know if any of those folks listen to me here, but I’ll tell you what, what’s going on is a bunch of nonsense. And I will continue to talk about it because you guys keep sending me the info and I’ll keep bringing it up and maybe it will get to the right people. And some of that will get handled because what’s going on up in the Cheyenne area, legally speaking, is utter nonsense. And I’ll just say it straight up. It’s like it’s like backwoods Alabama. And as far as the judicial system is concerned, and that’s a bunch of garbage. So anyways. I’ll leave it at that. Be back tomorrow. Movies really quick. We have got three tomorrow. 28 Years Later, Elio, and Bride Hard, and then Outer Space Movies in hour number two. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
