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From transmission temperature tips for cross-country towing to the mystery of failing AC compressors, John and Steve deliver another jam-packed episode of automotive insight. Listeners call in with real-world questions about refrigerant cleaning, transmission leaks, gasket materials, JB Weld myths, and even rental car surprises. Plus, John explains why GM’s oil viscosity recalls matter more than you think, and a classic car owner shares how to part with a beloved 22-year-old ride. If you’ve got an engine, a radiator, or even just a confused GPS, this episode is for you.
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SPEAKER 21 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Steve Horvath. Gino’s Auto Service with me today. Of course, Larry Unger answering phones. Charlie Grimes, our engineer. I had a question that came in on the text line talking about a towing. And Ken Rackley and I had done this a few weeks ago. But this is somebody that’s going to be towing a larger trailer. all the way down to Tennessee with a 2017 GMC or Chevy. This is a Chevy because it’s a high country. Chevy high country, 1500 with a 6.2, and was asking. One-way trip going east, what’s a safe transmission temperature to stay under? Because it’s a one-way trip, doesn’t want to, you know, in this particular case, doesn’t have the ability to go get a bigger truck and all that, which I fully understand, but it’s hauling this thing down to Tennessee. So what’s a safe transmission temp to stay under? And what I’ve always used as a rule of thumb and have done this for years and years, I want to see that transmission temperature stay under 230 degrees. 230 is on the high side. And if you even go look up and says, you know, what’s the operating temperature need to be, you’ll see things, you know, I just even went on the Internet and checked. It’ll tell you you want to be between 170 and 225. So when you hit that 230 mark, yeah. in my opinion you’re you need to figure out how to get that temp down take some load off slow down you know if you’re on a heavy grade go a little slower drop a gear do whatever you can to get more circulation and so on but yeah you start getting into that 230 mark it’s starting to get a little hot and i wouldn’t want it being that hot so try to keep it you know 225 if you can or below you may find yourself hitting that you know 230 mark at times as long as it’s brief kind of like an engine If you’re just briefly going up over that, you know, in the engine, it’s about 210 or so, 220, depending upon what you’re doing. If it starts getting above it, you want the same situation. You want to, you know, lower that back down again. That’s right, back off a little bit, take some load off.
SPEAKER 05 :
The nice thing about the newer cars now, we have a… Where we can select temperature. We never used to know. You can look at that. Exactly. You never knew before. That is such valuable information.
SPEAKER 21 :
Oh, yeah, huge. So in this particular case, yes. Look at it that way. Try to keep that below, you know, that 230 mark or so, and you should be. And, by the way, have a great trip and a safe trip and enjoy the sights. Great time of the year to go. So just, you know, be careful and have fun. J.R. in Denver, you’re next. Yeah, hi. Good morning. Good morning. Afternoon now, I guess it is.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah, it is, yes. I had a question about Gino’s advertisement about AC cleaning, the refrigerant.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, if the AC on a car doesn’t leak, will it get dirty?
SPEAKER 05 :
Over time… So really quick, over… Go ahead, I’m sorry. It gets a little air in there too, but it does get some dirt in there too.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, keep in mind, JR and everybody else listening, the compressor itself is a wearable item. So… and granted there’s oil inside of the the ac system and so on to keep the compressor oiled and all of that and that’s how the system works but and even house guys will tell you the same thing there’s going to be a certain amount of wear and things that are happening in the compressor that is circulating through the entire system yes there are tiny little quote-unquote screens they’re not really filters they’re screens that sort of keep some of that debris from circulating the system, but there’s no way it’s going to keep all of that out, and the smaller particles will just pass through. So to answer your question, yes, it’s not really the Freon that’s getting dirty per se, J.R., but the oil that’s in that system can get contaminated over time.
SPEAKER 10 :
So Steve has a machine that will clean that Freon out, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so what we’re doing, we’re extracting all that Freon out of there, and the machine is cleaning it, and then it’s adding… a little bit if it’s needed, or none if it doesn’t. Depends on the situation. Yeah, what you’ve gotten, and it puts it back in. And we’re also pulling that, because there’s a little bit of air that gets in there, too. We’re trying to get that, too. Vacuuming it down, basically. Yeah. And so we’re kind of restoring it all.
SPEAKER 10 :
So since it’s your shop, I have a 2010 4Runner. I don’t have any problem with AC, but I’ll get that checked and cleaned and whatever. What would the cost be on that?
SPEAKER 05 :
I think it’s a little bit over $200,000. Right in that area, about 220.
SPEAKER 10 :
So I would have to leave my car there and then maybe use one of your loaners or something?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that’s how we kind of work it anyway. We like you to leave your car. It’s just how our business works better that way. That’s why we give you the loaner. Take the loaner. And it takes an hour or so to get that machine to do its thing.
SPEAKER 21 :
Which means you’ve got a total of a job by the time you pull it in, do all of that, check it, inspect it, test drive it when you’re done. It’s a two, two and a half hour process, J.R.? ?
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, maybe I can get an appointment sometime. I’ll call the shop, okay? That’s great.
SPEAKER 21 :
And by the way, great question, JR. I think that’s one a lot of folk don’t understand how air conditioning itself even works, and most people think there’s no moving parts inside of the AC unit because it’s the Freon doing all of it, but that is not the case.
SPEAKER 10 :
So that compressor has a little piston in it, right? That’s right. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 21 :
A little engine, basically. Exactly. A little vacuum pump, basically.
SPEAKER 10 :
So that piston can wear out just a small amount.
SPEAKER 21 :
When a compressor fails, what you just described, J.R., exactly. When a compressor fails, which they do, it then fails internally. Typically something breaks, a ring, or the piston can go bad, or even, you know, the little valves. All sorts of things in there that can actually go bad. And what happens in an AC system is it literally runs fine little then metal particulates throughout the entire system. And it’s why, and for all of you listening— If you go and get the AC fixed properly, it’s not just the compressor, but there’s other components that we want to make sure we’re replacing at the same time that have been contaminated by that compressor failure. You’ll go to some shops, JR, where they’ll just put a compressor in it and send you down the road, and you will be coming back in the not-too-distant future because it will fail again because those particles were not removed from the system.
SPEAKER 10 :
I had that done before. I mean, I had it explode. The compressor exploded, so to speak. There you go. I had to replace this and that. Okay. And that’s why.
SPEAKER 21 :
Thanks a lot, then. No, great question, by the way, JR. Thank you for that, because a lot of folks don’t understand how the whole AC thing works, and that’s it. And we can’t warranty it.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, not unless you do all the components. We can warranty it if we replace all the stuff. Our manufacturer won’t give us those parts back unless we do it all right.
SPEAKER 21 :
That’s right. That’s right. Tony in Colorado Springs is next. Tony, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I got a 97 Chevy K1500 truck, 4L60 transmission, automatic. Are those notorious for leaking around the oil pan gasket?
SPEAKER 21 :
No.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, I got one that’s leaking. I was going to change that, and while I was going to do that, I was going to change the filter on that transmission.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, if you’re going to go ahead and drop it and put a new gasket in, absolutely do that. Sure, just buy the kit. The kit will come with the screen and everything in it and do it all at once.
SPEAKER 09 :
If it comes with a cork gasket, are those okay?
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah. I like the neoprene ones a little better. If you can find one of the brands in Napa, we’ll have them. If you can find one with a neoprene gasket, I like that better than the cork gaskets.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they’ll generally offer you either one.
SPEAKER 21 :
Buy the rubber gasket.
SPEAKER 09 :
And what do you think about putting – I like to put gaskets on anything just dry.
SPEAKER 21 :
On a transmission pan, dry only. You do not put anything at all on a transmission pan gasket, period. Even the old cork ones, you might have put a little glue in a couple of places to keep it held down. So you didn’t bend it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, back in the old days.
SPEAKER 21 :
But the neoprene ones, the way those even work, Tony, they’ll even have on every third or fourth hole, the hole itself in the neoprene will be a little smaller, and the bolt will poke through. So it’ll actually kind of suck around the bolt, keeping the gasket in place. And that’s why I like the neoprene ones a little better than the cork ones.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. And then, you know, typically with, like, with valve cover gaskets, I just, I don’t really torque those, and I just do it kind of by the feel of it. Would that be okay with you?
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, they’re supposed to be, I’d have to look up the specs, but I think 30 pounds or so is probably, it might not even be that much, it might be 15. I’d have to look. Honestly, Tony, I’ve done so many of them over the years that you just know where it needs to be by the feel, and I never have looked up torque specs on a transmission pan. I hate to say that. I just never have. Never had to.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. I did one on an Oldsmobile I used to have, and it was an old 70 Olds, and it never leaked, and I just did it by the feel, you know, and it worked out okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah. In fact, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen. It’s nine pounds. I just looked. It’s supposed to be nine pounds. So, yeah, it’s not much. I was thinking Newton pounds. It’s 25 Newton pounds. That’s what I was thinking is where the 30 was, was the Newton pounds. Because on the smaller torque wrenches, you typically go off of that. Because most of your bigger wrenches don’t even go down to nine. You have to have a special torque wrench to even do that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
And I’ve never seen anybody use one doing that, Tony, in my entire life. Have you, Steve?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. No, no, no. But they are coming up with some interesting torque measures. They are. Digital ones even now. And even like putting screws in. And because we’re torquing everything, we have to safely torque it. It’s become a lot different.
SPEAKER 21 :
But in 1997, no, you didn’t need to do that back then.
SPEAKER 09 :
I see. Okay. And then Dextron 6 is compatible with Dextron 3 then, right?
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, everything’s backwards compatible on Dextron, yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Hey, thanks a lot.
SPEAKER 21 :
No, you’re very welcome, Tony. I appreciate it. And sorry, I need to correct myself because somebody probably will. On that one, I was looking at the later model transmission. On that earlier one, it’s 10 to 12 foot-pounds, but still not very much. So bottom line, you just want to snug them up and don’t over-torque them. And I will say this, the… The neoprene gaskets are a little bit more forgiving if you happen to over-tighten one a little bit more than what you should have. They’re definitely more forgiving than the cork gaskets are.
SPEAKER 05 :
Did you use the little stubby ratchets when you did it? Yeah, so you didn’t over-torque.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, that’s the way I always did it, too. Because I used to have one, you know, one of the, like, three-inch long ones where you can’t over-torque it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
Actually, what I used to do, and give my secrets away here, what I used to do is, and I still own it, back in the day, before we had all these fancy impacts and all the rest of the stuff that we have today, I had a speed wrench. And some of you know what a speed wrench is. And because it’s not much longer than that, I used to use a speed wrench, and I would just tighten them up with a speed wrench because it made it really fast, and I knew exactly where I needed to be torque-wise with the speed wrench, and off you went.
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For the younger listeners, you’re going to have to be able to describe a speed wrench to them.
SPEAKER 21 :
Speed wrench looks like a big U in the middle of the wrench with a knob at the end where you can spin it around. And they work great for doing things like that. Like a little crank.
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Like a little crank.
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Like the old drills, even, where you could hand drill and so on. So that was what a speed wrench was. And for a lot of you listening, when you put on everything from oil pan gaskets to valve cover gaskets to things like that, the speed wrenches worked real, they were fast. You didn’t have to drag a hose out or anything. They were just about as fast as using an impact. And you knew exactly where you were at the end. And you didn’t have to retighten anything because you had everything that you needed and just made that job pretty fast and handy. And that’s how I used to do those back in the day. So, all right, we’ll be right back. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Steve Horvath. Again, Charlie Grimes, our engineer, Larry Unger, answering phones. Lines are open. Feel free to call in. We’ll get you answered quickly. 303-477-5600. Somebody called in earlier off air and talked to Charlie for a little bit and thought it would be something good for us to talk about, which I agree, by the way. And that is for some of you that don’t necessarily drive, you know, modern cars. And what I mean by modern cars is a lot of the new cars, even 10 years and newer, have got everything from, you know, there’s lane keep assist now that actually will even move the steering wheel for you to put you back in the lane, blind spot monitoring, warnings if you’re getting out of the lane, all sorts of things. Bells and whistles can go off. I call it the nanny system on cars. And they literally can be very effective. nanny-ish in how they alert you to different things that are happening when you’re driving the car. But a lot of you that are driving older cars may not be familiar with any of those systems I just mentioned. And yet you may travel somewhere, as in the case of the caller that called in, where you travel somewhere and rent a car. So now you pop in a car. And it could have all of the things I just mentioned plus some. It could have automatic wipers. It could have automatic high beam, low beam. You name it. There’s all these features now that are coming on cars. In some cases, standard. They’re just included with the car. It’s the package the car comes with. And so now you hop in this car that’s got all of these newfangled features. And then on top of that, the performance of these new cars versus what you could have been driving 10, 15 years ago. It’s second to none, and I’m not exaggerating in the least. There are some new cars, stock, no modifications, that will run as well as high-performance cars did back in the 70s. This is not a joke. I mean, literally, they run super well compared to what they used to. So if you’re not super familiar, the point of the caller was, If you’re not super familiar with all of these things that I’m mentioning and you go rent a car someplace and you hop in it, you could be in for a real rude awakening as to how all of this stuff works. And in some cases, maybe love it. In some cases, you might hate everything about it because the nanny side of it, there can be bells and whistles and things going off and so on that you’re just not used to. And unfortunately… Again, I’m not trying to knock anybody, but when you go to the rental car counter at most airports… You’re doing good to get the keys and the paperwork, and here’s the car in the spot. See you by. If you’re expecting them to walk you through, this is how you turn the lights on. I can’t tell you, by the way, in the winter months when we get our earlier dark days, and I go down I-70 West, and that’s coming right out of Pena Boulevard. Literally, they’re getting right on where I get on at 225. All that merging is right there. I can’t tell you how many cars are coming from the airport that have no lights on. Yes, the daytime running lights are on, and they can see a little bit in front of them, and the dash lights are all on because of the electronics, but there’s no lights on, no taillights, no headlights, no nothing, because somebody at the rental car place never told them you have to turn the car to, you know, turn the light switch to either auto or on. Otherwise, if it’s in the off position, you have no lights. So my point is the rental car counters. are not going to tell you anything at all about how the car functions, how it’s going to drive, how to turn on and off some of these features I just mentioned, because by the way, a lot of them can be turned on and off if you know exactly what you’re doing. On top of that, you’ve got all sorts of, depending upon the model of the car, you may have all but one big screen in front of you that you’re now having to figure out what buttons to push in the screen to even get some of these features I’m mentioning done. On top of that, even trying to figure out how to turn the radio on and off. And again, it depends on the make and model of the car. A lot of manufacturers are now going to buttons for the very reason that I’m talking about. People are getting tired of having to find the hidden button in the screen. So they’re going back to manual buttons. But you may find yourself hopping in a rental car that is completely unknown to you. And you have no idea, by the way, even though they may tell you you’re going to be in this car… They are apt to switch that on you last minute. There’s a funny Seinfeld episode, by the way, about this where he’s got a car reserved. Remember that one, Charlie? He’s got the car reserved. He goes up and they don’t have the car any longer. And his whole point is, well, I reserved this car. And they’re like, well, no, you didn’t. He’s like, yes, I did. And point is, you may think you’re getting a Toyota Camry. And you show up and it’s a Kia Optima or whatever. I mean, reality is chances of you getting the car that you picked is rare. You’re normally going to get thrown into a like car or an upgrade or something along those lines because they’re just like anything else. They’re overbooking. Because they know a certain amount of people won’t show. And if everybody does, there’s not enough cars, and now you’re going to be put into something else. My whole point and the point of the caller was, be prepared. You might even want to sit in the lot. in the rental car lot for just a few minutes and familiarize yourself with everything that’s going on internally in the car and then be prepared as you start driving it that it’s going to be in some cases a completely different experience from what you’re driving now and don’t be shocked at that is the point. Yeah. And in some cases, you’re going to feel like you need to fight the wheel because the lane keep assist wants to get you back in the lane. And if you’re close to one edge or the other, it will bring you back in and you feel like you’re fighting it and it’s fighting you. In some cases, just stay in the middle of the lane and you won’t have that problem. But for example, if you don’t turn your signal on. And then you try to move into the other lane, it’s going to fight you and not allow you to because your signal’s not on and it thinks you’re being distracted and it’s trying to keep you back in the lane. So these are all things that a lot of the new cars do that if you’re not familiar with it, you’ll feel like you’re fighting the car and you are in a way because it’s trying to do things for you that you’re not doing. So just be aware of all of that. And I wish there was a way that you would be able to familiarize yourself with that car before you get in it. But I’m just telling you straight up, I’ve rented enough cars over the years. Good luck with that one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Not all the time they have the owner’s manual in there that you can go to. But if you look at that, I looked at it the other day, you know, it’s an inch and a half thick.
SPEAKER 21 :
A lot of them are all even electronic now because of that because they’ve gotten so big.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s so hard to follow all that. And the other thing, too, I’ve noticed this. It’s really dark when you’re trying to pick up that car.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes, because you’re in the garage as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s underneath, and you’ve got to get out the light to see what’s like. And the other thing, too, take pictures.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes, thank you, Steve, for saying that.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t know how many scratches and dents, and you don’t want to be responsible for it. And they’re not looking at it anymore for you. They’re not with you going over that list. I think Enterprise still kind of does that, but most of them just throw the key there.
SPEAKER 21 :
They rent to collision centers, and they do some things that the typical airport guys aren’t doing. And again, my point is, and this caller’s point was, don’t be surprised. at how many differences there are on the car you’re renting versus the car that you own, and just be aware of all that. And to Steve’s point, take a lot of pictures. And then I would also suggest that if it’s so dark in the garage that you’re struggling to see, once you get out of the garage and you get out even in a nearby street, pull over, familiarize yourself with the car. That way you’ll be in a lot better shape as you continue on that particular journey.
SPEAKER 05 :
I got one more joke about it, too. My wife did call me once renting a car, and she didn’t know how to start it. She couldn’t start it. How do I start this thing? Couldn’t find the button. Yeah, it was a few years back, but I even know how to… It was a button thing, and it’s a whole other deal.
SPEAKER 21 :
I have a story on that I’ll share as soon as we come back, so don’t go anywhere. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us today. I appreciate it very much. Bob in Colorado Springs, you are next.
SPEAKER 08 :
I appreciate you, John. Thank you very much for taking my call.
SPEAKER 21 :
You’re welcome, Bob.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, you’ve helped me before. I got that Chevy Silverado 2000. I had a radiator leak here a while back, and you told me to get that KCL?
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, it worked perfect. Good. Everything was fine.
SPEAKER 21 :
Good.
SPEAKER 08 :
Little while after that, my low coolant light came on again. I said, dang it. So I checked it out. I looked at my reservoir, and yeah, it was low. So I said, well, I’m going to add that and maybe get another thing in that case seal and try that. So I did, and anyway, I discovered I’m still leaking somewhere, and I didn’t know where at all. And so I’m underneath of the hood. I’m trying to see. We’re on the block here, there, everywhere. I didn’t see nothing. So… I seen the side of my battery, you know, your batteries on the right-hand side when you’re looking at the engine. And I noticed some, like, yellow stuff sprayed out onto it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
I said, oh, gosh. And so down alongside of my radiator, you know, what is that, plastic or fiberglass? Plastic.
SPEAKER 21 :
It’s plastic.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
It’s a composite, but plastic, basically, with aluminum. So it’s aluminum core with plastic tanks.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Well, I got a little teeny skinny little crack, one and then two.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Is there any way to seal that, John?
SPEAKER 21 :
No, there is not. Not on that plastic. Even the case seal, because it’s plastic, won’t do anything to fill that, Bob. That’s one where Napa sells new radiators for that, and I would not. There’s guys out there that will claim that they can fix that or even put a new tank on the end. Don’t. Just go buy a new radiator. You’re way ahead at the end.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, yeah, because, see, I got that JB Weld.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, it won’t fix it.
SPEAKER 08 :
It won’t fix it.
SPEAKER 21 :
Don’t even mess with it. Don’t even waste your time.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, okay, yeah, because this has 550 degrees Fahrenheit, radiators, mufflers.
SPEAKER 21 :
And I probably shouldn’t say this open on air because JB Weld will be mad at me, but I’ll be straight up honest, Bob. And I’ve had JB Weld in my toolbox forever, and I don’t know why. Why? Because in the 30 years of using it, I have yet to ever find anything it actually fixes, and I’m not exaggerating. I keep it around. I’ll try it periodically. But I don’t know, maybe other than like a plastic dash piece or something like that, I don’t know, Bob, if there’s anything, structurally speaking, I’ve ever fixed with J.B. Weld, no matter what their claims are. And if any of you listening can tell me otherwise, please do. But, Bob, I’ve never found it to fix anything.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I’ll tell you why. I’ll tell you, John. I did buy it. I did put it on. I sanded it. I cleaned it. I did alcohol on it, everything like that. I thought, okay, this is great. This is going to work. And it didn’t.
SPEAKER 21 :
So you’re with me. Again, Bob, I don’t know why. I don’t know whether it’s me. It’s bad luck. If anybody’s listening and has ever had any kind of luck with that, I would love to know because I never have, Bob.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, gosh, I couldn’t believe them advertising that, 550 degrees Fahrenheit and all that PSI.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, Slip 50 had a good run for a long time, and it did nothing either.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, no, it didn’t last me too long, about a day and a half.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, Bob. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER 08 :
Just a minute, just a minute. Go ahead. You got a minute? Yeah, go right ahead. John, do you know where I can get me a radiator?
SPEAKER 21 :
Napa will have one, and for that car, that truck, they’ll stock one, Bob.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep, easy enough.
SPEAKER 08 :
The whole radiator. The whole radiator.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep, they’ll have one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, John. Thank you so much. You bet, Bob. Nope, thank you.
SPEAKER 21 :
You too. Appreciate you. Yeah, no, those types of parts, yeah, Napa has. And again, he’s down at Carrows Springs. I’m pretty sure they’ll have one down at one of the stores there. If not, they can get that out of our distribution center up here in Denver typically next day at most. In some cases, same day. So the likelihood of not finding that is pretty slim. They’ll most likely have one of those in stock. That’s a very common, especially in that era. And knowing there’s still a lot of those trucks on the road, that’s a pretty common part. It’s a good vehicle. So back to the JB Weld thing. Have you ever in your life fixed anything, structurally speaking, with JB Weld?
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m trying to think. I know I’ve tried. I have, too. I’ve yet to ever have it work. I did buy a little J.B. Weld to fix a wooden thing in the house. That’s different. And I was able to drill it and do some things. That worked really good for that. I’ve never had a car part yet work. No, I’m trying to think. I’m sorry. You would include an ear on or something that fell off later.
SPEAKER 21 :
Maybe if I’m trying to fill a hole in a plastic part or something like that, maybe I’ve had some luck there, but then it looks awful when you’re done. So when it comes to engine-type things and the things that we were just talking about a moment ago, I’ve never had it work. No, no. And I don’t know why I keep it around. I do. I don’t know why, because I’ve never had it work yet. Habit, I guess.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ve been racking my brain here for the last couple minutes thinking about it. When did it work?
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, good question that came in. And I asked if I could answer this on air. I’m going to answer it on air either way. If you hear the answer to the email question, please let me know, and I won’t type back. But otherwise, I’ll answer this after we’re off air. But the question is, there’s a lot of new car manufacturers. In this case, this is a Nissan, but it’s true across the board. where these manufacturers are asking you or requiring you to run lighter and lighter weight oil in this particular case 020 and this is part of what’s going on even with the 62 liter engines that gm is now recalling they’re going to move to a 040 weight oil on the recall of the six twos so the question in this particular email is is that 020 too light i personally believe it is in a lot of cases but here’s the challenge If your car is under warranty and it is requiring 020 oil, and I understand that it’s hard for them to determine viscosity with an oil report. So let’s say you run 1030. So you switch from 020 to 1030. I understand that if you have an engine failure, it’s really hard for the manufacturer to do an oil test to determine what the viscosity was. But they can get really picky and say, I want receipts for this oil change, even though you did it yourself, which is okay. It’s all legal to do. There’s nothing wrong with that. They can’t deny warranty because you did your own oil change. But what they can do is, hey, I want receipts. I want to know what filter you bought, and I want to know what oil you bought, and I want to see the receipts. They can’t ask for that. If you don’t have 020 that you’ve bought, even though you might have put 1030 in it, you might find yourself in a warranty denial because you can’t prove you put 020 back in it. And here’s my point. If you go to a Jiffy Lube or anywhere else to get an oil change done, or you go to Steve, and they put anything other than 020 in it, and you have an engine problem later, could they deny that claim? Yes, they could. So while I believe… and I think a lot of technicians do as well, that the 020 isn’t heavy enough, if you vary from that under warranty, you could have problems. So my recommendation is while the car is under warranty, especially run the oil they’re asking you to run. And they’re on the hook for the warranty sides of things. Now, once it’s out of warranty and the car’s got some miles and such on it, if you decide on your own you want to change viscosity and do something a little bit different, that’s on you. Just remember that if something happens, it’s on you. You’re on your own. So I’m still one where if the manufacturer – and I get it. There’s cafe ratings and a lot of other things that are coming into play as to why they’re requiring that lighter weight oil – But unless you’ve got some really good backup data to determine that I can switch to a 1030 and still be okay, I wouldn’t.
SPEAKER 1 :
No.
SPEAKER 21 :
Your thoughts?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no. And they’re even getting lighter. They’re 016s and 012s or 08s or something.
SPEAKER 21 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And, you know, honestly, we’re not doing near as many engines as we used to. The unfortunate thing about all this is time will tell. We don’t really, really know.
SPEAKER 21 :
In a lot of cases, time will tell, especially when it comes to the newer weights that we’re talking about here.
SPEAKER 05 :
But the 020 has been out for quite a while. We’ve not had any problems.
SPEAKER 21 :
The 020 has been out for a while. I’m getting a little scared.
SPEAKER 05 :
Some of the 016s and 012s I don’t know about. It’s almost like water.
SPEAKER 21 :
Even the 020, folks, I did an oil change here recently with 020 and room temperature. You feel like you’re pouring water in. I mean, it’s that thin pouring in because the cold temperature viscosity is so thin. Part of that they’re doing to get the engine up to operating temperature quicker. They want lubrication with the thinner oil and so on. Personally, is that good enough? Again, time will tell. I’m with Steve on that one. I don’t know. I mean, GM is switching out the 6.2s from the 0.20 to the 0.40, so they’re thinking that the 20 isn’t heavy enough in the hotter conditions. They’re going to run to the 40 side of things. Although, even then, I’m wondering if there’s an inherent problem with that engine, which in some cases there is. I hate to tell GM this, but that 0.40 isn’t going to make a hell of a bit of difference when it’s all said and done. It’s a feel-good measure, I think, that they’re doing for some of their customers. But if there’s an inherent problem and that engine’s going to let go, that 40-weight oil, frankly, isn’t going to change anything one way or the other. Interestingly enough, on my own 6.2, because I have one of these that’s under the recall, so I own a truck that falls underneath all of that. I drove it today. I’ve been driving it daily since. I haven’t stopped driving it. Did an oil change in it recently. And because there’s been some known problems with the 6-2, I took a few extra steps. So I drained a little bit of oil out into a cup first before I let the rest of it drain. I wanted to see, you know, it went out in the sun. Is there any particles? Is there anything shiny? I put it on a paper towel even. I went one step further then and even took the oil filter off and cut it all apart. Did you? Yeah. Check the paper inside. What went out in the sun? Is there any particles? Is there anything in the filter? Because, again, that will show you, is there anything? I’m not doing an oil analysis per se under a microscope, but you can get a pretty good idea looking in the sun. I’ve seen enough oil that’s had problems and deteriorations. You can see it. Trust me, you can see it. And in my case, nothing. Not a thing. Not a particle. Not a nothing. Now, does that mean my engine is good? Well, it is for right now. I don’t know what it’s going to be tomorrow, but it is for now. So I went ahead and changed oil, and I’ll put a Napa Gold filter back on it, keep rolling along, and see what happens.
SPEAKER 05 :
And what year is it? My truck’s not under that one.
SPEAKER 21 :
21 to 24.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, so my truck’s four years old.
SPEAKER 21 :
So you’re right outside of it. Interesting. 21 to 24. And on the 6.2s only. All right, we’re going to take a quick break. Got a call coming in, 303-477-5600. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, hi. I just said I wasn’t going to call today, but when you started talking about these new cars to get in to familiarize yourself with, they really should take a few minutes. And I had that Grand Wagoneer for five weeks while my truck was fixed, as you know. And it had this… And it happened in the same spot more than once. I’m driving back from Denver to Steamboat, and this little coffee cup icon with a steaming cup says, drowsiness detected. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I couldn’t believe it. Everything they had on it. And, hey, Steve, I’ve been meaning to ask you a question when you’ve been on. Are those tokens in the bottom of the BG cans worth anything to your mechanics? Yeah, absolutely. They are still.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I think they get a buck or 50 cents or dollar. Or they can go towards apparel or whatever. Absolutely. Yeah, if you’ve got a few, I’m sure I’d give them to my guys. They’d love it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I’ve got about a dozen of them. Oh, do you? Great. Yeah. But then I just got one MOA that didn’t have one in it, and they’ve gone to the 44K in a plastic bottle that goes into the… Right. So you don’t have to use a funnel now. Right. So that works well. And, John, one question, because you’ve told me before, but for my F-150 four-wheel drive 2010… What are the shocks you told me before to put on that?
SPEAKER 21 :
I’d put the Rancho 9000s if it were me.
SPEAKER 06 :
Rancho 9000. All right.
SPEAKER 21 :
They’re adjustable. You can kind of figure what setting you’d like to be at. Typically, I start at usually three and just see how the ride is. If you want a little stiffer, then turn the knob to the four or five. And if you want a little softer, then go to one or two. And that’s what I do. And I’ve sold those. Well, I use them still now, Jeff, but I sold those for when they first came out even. That was an invention that came out probably 30 years ago. And I sold a ton of those back in the day, and I still love them.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Well, I’ll go to the Napa here. I was just there the other day after I got my truck back. I had my mechanic put brakes on and switch out the snow tires and do an oil change and got everything at Napa and had my mechanic up here do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 06 :
And so that’s the thing. I’ll go there and get those. Very cool. And have them put them on. Good deal. But great. Great show as always. Thank you, Jeff. You guys have a good week. We’ll do it.
SPEAKER 21 :
Appreciate you. Thank you very much. Mark, you’re next. Go ahead. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Hey, Mark. How’s things?
SPEAKER 11 :
Good. I’m a GM shareholder. I got quite a bit. I asked for Mary Barra to get the boot.
SPEAKER 21 :
Good for you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I’m done with this woman. She’s got a bicycle that has a backpedal gear on it.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, as you know, she’s one of those woke CEOs that has bought into all of that nonsense and isn’t, I’m sorry to say, Mark, isn’t a car person.
SPEAKER 11 :
We need another Lee Iacocca in the deal.
SPEAKER 21 :
The problem you’re going to have, as you know, though, is GM made a lot of money last year.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, well, that helped me out on my stocks, but still I don’t like her.
SPEAKER 21 :
I don’t either. But that’s what they’re going to come back and tell you. It’s about the dollar. Yeah, you made a lot of money last year. And, by the way, they made it in spite of her.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, well. My question is this. When’s the next generation of towels? Because I’m not touching this one right now.
SPEAKER 21 :
They just did a refresh on the body just now, just in 2025. There’s a refresh. It just came out. Pretty good looking. Yeah. So outside of that, it’s going to be a while.
SPEAKER 11 :
You said the interior, they got rid of the buttons on the column. They moved back to a little shifter.
SPEAKER 21 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
On a new one. Because I have talked to my guys at Emek. They really don’t want to sell me a 6.2. They want nothing to do with that right now.
SPEAKER 21 :
Even on a 2025? Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
Why? I guess they’re just not comfortable with this engine yet. I guess they want me to wait a while.
SPEAKER 21 :
Everything I have read, Mark, after they went to the 2025 model year, I haven’t read anything about any issues in 2025. And it’s been only the 2024 down on the 6.2s. And, again, I have one. I was just explaining what I did last weekend on mine. And I drove it today.
SPEAKER 11 :
So you think it’s all right. I’ll wait until the new model, though. I don’t think that’s available until September.
SPEAKER 21 :
I’d have to double-check on that. I’ve driven a new 2025 Tahoe with the 6.2 as a press car with the new body style and so on. So I don’t know why you couldn’t buy one. I think you can.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Yeah. All right.
SPEAKER 21 :
Just between you and I, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy one. That’s just me. It wouldn’t bother me any. Now, on the same token, my kids just bought one, but they bought the diesel.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t know anything about that. I guess I’ll have to wait until you’re done. Your son or your daughter, tell me a little bit more about that.
SPEAKER 21 :
We’ve owned some of those in the past as a fleet, and they got a little three-liter inline-six diesel, Duramax diesel. They actually work very, very well. High mileage on fuel, 30 miles to the gallon. They work great, Mark. They don’t have the same, you know, top-end power. So say, for example, you’re pulling around a semi at 80 miles an hour, 70 miles an hour or whatever. They don’t have the same upper-end power that the 6.2 does, but outside of that, they work beautiful. Probably great for towing.
SPEAKER 11 :
They work great, yep. Yeah, I want some for my trailer, though.
SPEAKER 21 :
They tow great, Mark. The diesel will tow better than the 6.2 does. Okay. So that’s another option. It’s their little Duramax diesel, and they work great. Are they hard to get, the diesel ones?
SPEAKER 11 :
They had a generation diesel up before it really did so well, so they fixed this one.
SPEAKER 21 :
This one, well, the only issues this one has, and I don’t know how much of an issue you want to say, it’s got a maintenance schedule at about 100K. You’re supposed to do the rear belt that drives the oil pump. And why they put it in the back, I don’t know, because you’ve got to pull the transmission out to do that job. It’s about a $1,500 to $2,000 job. When it’s all said and done, it’s required at about $100,000. That’s the only drawback to that engine. Okay. Other than that, if you own it to $100,000, then that’s what you’ll have to do.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right. Well, I’ll have to take another look at that one.
SPEAKER 21 :
Go drive one, Mark. If you get a chance, and if Emick has one or somebody’s got one that you could go hop in and drive, go drive one. Okay. You’ll be pleasantly surprised, by the way.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, all right. Well, I’ll have to give it a shot because I’ve got that 18 with only 30,000 miles on it. So they want to take that in and trade. Well, sure they do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure they do. Absolutely they do. I want to know how much. Yeah, they want that tomorrow.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Well, John, on another note, the 03 is going away at 11 a.m. on Monday.
SPEAKER 21 :
Awesome. Good for you.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, it’s going to be a sad day.
SPEAKER 21 :
I know, but it’s all good.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, but I’m not going to do this again, keep a car for 22 years. It’s kind of stupid.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, that one I can’t argue with you on at all.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right. All right, Mark, good one.
SPEAKER 21 :
Appreciate you very much. Steve and Cheyenne, go ahead. Hey, John, thanks for taking my call.
SPEAKER 07 :
I really enjoy your show. So kind of a quick story and then a question for you. Regarding the people driving without insurances, A few weeks ago, my son and his wife and her family were driving in their car through Loveland, and they were going in front of the Tesla dealership, and there was a crowd of people out there protesting evil Elon Musk and all this kind of stuff. So this 18-year-old pulls out of the side street right in front of my son. He doesn’t yield to the right-of-way, and my son ends up T-boning this 18-year-old. come to find out the kid doesn’t have any insurance driving his sister’s car and they pull into a private parking lot exchange information you know get his driver’s license and all that stuff so the officer shows up gives him a citation for you know failing to yield right away and then they give him a ticket and just let him drive off and and the officer said well we don’t have any proof You know, we didn’t see the accident happen. And it’s like, are you kidding me? I mean, there’s five witnesses in my son’s car, and my son even got out and talked to a few of the protesters, and they saw the whole thing. So he has their phone numbers and, you know, witness account. And I don’t understand why the police wouldn’t just impound that car right then and there. Too much hassle. You know, what’s to say he’s not going to drive two blocks away and hit and kill somebody? I agree. And then the officer, oh, yeah, I just responded to this guy five minutes ago, and I let him go down the road again. And we know he didn’t have insurance, but they continue to let him drive. It seems to me they should impound that vehicle right then and there.
SPEAKER 21 :
I’m with you. I’m with you.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t get that.
SPEAKER 21 :
I agree with you 100%.
SPEAKER 07 :
What recourse would my son have at this point? I mean, he submitted a claim to his insurance company. And they had to pay their $1,000 deductible to get their car fixed. So now is it up to my son to go after him, like in a civil lawsuit?
SPEAKER 21 :
I would, and I’ve got to run because we’re at the top of the hour, Steve. Either send me an email and explain all of that, and I can tell you what to do next. But I would call Kevin Flesch. He’s one of our great sponsors. He’s an attorney that specializes in that. 303-806-8886. Give him a call.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, sounds good, John. You bet. Thanks a lot.
SPEAKER 21 :
Thank you, Steve. Appreciate you very much, and Kevin will do all of that for you. Steve Horvath, thank you. Geno’s Auto Service.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 21 :
Always a joy to find Steve. By the way, just go to drive-radio.com or genosautoservice.com. Geno’s, of course, with a J. Larry and Charlie, thank you guys very much. I appreciate it. We’ll be back next week. Guys, have a great rest of your weekend. Enjoy the weather. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 16 :
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