In this hour of Rush to Reason, John Rush and Andy Peth react to the growing political posture of major nursing organizations, focusing on calls tied to abolishing ICE and what that means for trust, neutrality, and activism in medical settings. The conversation is blunt, emotional at times, and centered on whether healthcare institutions can (or should) stay politically “hands-off” when patients are at their most vulnerable.
From there, the show pivots hard into Colorado’s 2026 governor race—why name recognition matters, why crowded fields collapse fast, and which issues actually move the middle of the electorate. The guys argue that
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And we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. The sun’s still up. We’ll be until about 530. We’ve got three weeks, I believe, left until we do daylight saving time. So it’ll be here before you know it. And Andy and I will drive home in the light. Yeah, that’ll be nice, won’t it? Because right now, it’ll still be about this shade of darkness, maybe even a little bit brighter in three weeks. So, yeah, that’ll be great.
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I hit a lot fewer pedestrians that way. It’s really great.
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It’s just everything flows better when there’s light. I love it. I do, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, you know what? Another thing, John, in the dead of winter when it’s so dark going home, it’s depressing.
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It is depressing, Andy. It makes your mood. I mean, my mood is already, not that it ever gets bad, but my mood is better now, even, you know, 508 and it’s light out. I mean, and I get text messages on this all the time. Most people hate that.
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I know. And like, what if in our last hour we were talking about Rhino Watch and you’re already grumpy? Exactly. Then you go out on the road.
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Even makes it worse. That’s exactly right. All right. Speaking of Rhino Watch, we threw out a challenge last hour. And I’ll reiterate this now because some folks may just tune in here at the top of the hour. And that is, you know, who is the gubernatorial candidate that you’re supporting? And why? 303-477-5600. You can text us also. We’ll be nice. Yeah, we’ll be nice. 307-200-8222. You might have a really great reason. Maybe something even Andy and I haven’t thought about. Maybe you’ve got a little inside edge on something that we don’t know. Again, we’ll be nice. I mean, right now, there is nobody on our side that has an R next to their name. There’s a lot that will happen between now and the actual primary. And whether you agree with it or not… Some will go through caucus, and then assembly, and then they’ll be on the primary, and some will petition on. And that’s the system we have in Colorado. Like it or not, that’s our system.
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Yeah.
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Currently.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right now, I can only see two candidates on our side who could possibly compete next November.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
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And those are?
SPEAKER 04 :
First, what’s the name of the sheriff?
SPEAKER 15 :
Mike Sell?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Mike Sell, to me, is the best package. right now in a candidate because he sells across the board. He is also stressing the most popular issues for our side, which are law and order. I mean, he is an energy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Law and order and energy. And we’ve talked to him. He gets it. Very powerful selling points. I agree.
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He doesn’t come off as a pastor. He’s not going to be off putting to the center of Colorado voters. The other one I would say is Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 15 :
Even though we don’t know Victor.
SPEAKER 04 :
And this is only for one reason, movement.
SPEAKER 15 :
Support, yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
He is a movement conservative, which means he has a massive movement that will turn out for him in November and help him. Now, does that mean, though, would he still just get buried by the center of Colorado voters? Very possibly so.
SPEAKER 15 :
We don’t know yet.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right now, those are the only two that I see would have a chance.
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And really quick, I get this question quite a little bit, whether it be a text message or somebody calling in. Who am I in favor of at this point in time? None. None. I don’t put my name behind candidates, folks. In fact, I wish Donald Trump would stop doing that. I think it’s a bad move on his part, and I don’t do it, nor will I ever. Now, when there’s an R next to their name, well, I’m all in. Yeah. That’s easy. And whoever wins the primary and has an R and X in their name, that’s who I’ll be behind and we’ll be promoting and doing whatever we possibly can to get them elected. That’s how this works. And I won’t pull any punches there. Am I going to be on the side of the D, which I believe it’ll be Michael Bennett? Am I going to support him? No, it’s not a snowball’s chance that’s ever happened.
SPEAKER 04 :
That guy’s an idiot. Obviously. What about when Trump comes out against true troublemakers who are flat out damaging the party, wrecking the team like Massey and MTG?
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Keep in mind, those are extreme examples of horrible teammates who are wrecking us on the national stage.
SPEAKER 15 :
I get it. I get it. I don’t know. I still think as president, personally, for me, if I were president, would I be doing that? No, I would stay out of it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because I think those guys will bury themselves anyways. I don’t think I need to get in the middle of it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m cool with that.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s just my own opinion. The reason why we here, myself, and I was pulling up here how many Republicans we have running for governor in Colorado because we’ve had a few names added. We haven’t done this for a while. We may just run through a few of these just for grins just because… And I’m not going to run through, by the way, the Constitution Party and the No Labels Party and the unaffiliated and all of that because there’s no sense in doing so. Other than on the unaffiliated, really quick, let me look here. Why isn’t – I’m confused. Why isn’t Greg Lopez’s name listed as an unaffiliated?
SPEAKER 04 :
Where is he?
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s not with the Republicans. Let me look here. He’s still listed on Ballapedia. He’s still listed on the Republican side, and I don’t know why, because as far as I know, he switched.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, he needs to be gotten off there right away.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, why is he still on there?
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 15 :
Who runs Ballotopedia, by the way? Does any of you out there listening know how that works? I don’t know if it’s like Wikipedia and you get to contribute. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, once again, as I’ve said many times, I’ve always liked Greg. It’s nothing personal. It’s only numbers, okay? And we have to compete to win in November. Is it okay for me to say this? If you are a Republican out there listening to this right now or a right-leaning independent, unaffiliated but Republican-leaning, any of those people, if you vote for Greg Lopez, you are making a massive mistake and you are helping the Democrat win by splitting our ranks.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right. Absolutely.
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And if you recruit others to vote for Greg Lopez now, you are an enemy of liberty in Colorado because he will not win. He cannot win. There is no way he can win. He will only draw from the right. You are helping hurt liberty in Colorado if you do that.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s 22 people running on our side of the aisle, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, whatever. There won’t be after, you know, assembly.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, we’ll go through a few of these here today because, again, there’s some of these names. And sorry, if I skip over your name, it’s nothing personal. It’s just I don’t think you have a snowball’s chance of winning, so why waste any airtime on that?
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You want to do that after break?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, we’ll do that after break.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Since no one’s calling, because evidently you can’t defend your candidate, I don’t know why you wouldn’t call, but…
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Yeah, come on. I think I know why. We would be nice.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Go ahead, Andy.
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Okay, here’s my big question. You’re going to list off some of the candidates, right? Be honest with me. Be brutally honest with me. Whoever wins the nomination, do you believe that the supporters of the other candidates will rally around that person in any meaningful way?
SPEAKER 15 :
Depends on the candidate. Some yes, some no.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, for example, we’ll roll through a few candidates. And you know what? Let’s do it this way. I’m going to name off a few candidates, the leaders. And again, if I don’t mention your name, there’s 21 of you. If I don’t mention your name, it’s nothing personal. It’s just I probably didn’t mention your name because you probably don’t have enough name recognition with me. meaning you’re not going to have enough with primary voters, meaning you’re probably not going to make it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I mean, look, we are a couple guys who do this all the time. Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
If I don’t know your name, the primary voters are not going to know you either.
SPEAKER 04 :
Then you have no name right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. I’m sorry. So, okay, so we’ll start at the top because it’s first because of alphabetical order, Scott Bottoms. Now, again, we’ve talked about Scott a lot. I love Scott. He thinks like I do. That’s why he’s unelectable, by the way. And will his supporters support that final candidate with an R next to their name? No. They will not. Some will, some won’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
Let me ask you another question about Scott. Because you and I have always said we like Scott, we like Scott, we like Scott, we like Scott. But when somebody is supported… by rhino watchers, by some of the biggest liars in the state.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, biggest loons out there.
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And you know that he is working together with them hand in hand. Now, don’t get me wrong. When you’re running for office, you take whatever you can get.
SPEAKER 15 :
I get that.
SPEAKER 04 :
You take who you can get. I just wish he’d distance him from them. Yeah, you’ve got to link arms with anybody you can. I know. But do you get a little bit concerned about him? Is this maybe not the greatest guy in the world? Okay, you see what I’m saying here?
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Yes, I know what you’re saying, because he’s linking himself up with a bunch of criminals. Sorry, I mean that, because these people literally, I mean, they may not be criminals in the actual letter of the law where they’ve been arrested and so on, but let me tell you what, folks. These people have undermined and done things that basically it’s criminal behavior. I consider them criminals.
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Look, these people have destroyed our party. Okay, they have destroyed, past tense, they have destroyed our party here in Colorado. That’s right. These are the worst of the worst. Okay, the lowest of the lowest. And he’s linking arms with them. And by the way, most of his supporters online who are attacking Victor Marx or other candidates are doing it in lunatic fashion with AI-level, you know, kind of posts. I mean, he’s over all that, John. And this is what concerns me about Scott these days.
SPEAKER 15 :
I can’t disagree with that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Scott’s followers… are the worst online in the party by far.
SPEAKER 15 :
You bring up a great point. I hadn’t thought about it that way. You bring up a great point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, what do you think of that?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I think you’re spot on. I really hadn’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
I hadn’t really thought about it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I hadn’t either, but when you’re linking arms with the folks that I literally think should leave this state, frankly, I’ll go one step further, should leave this country because they don’t deserve to live here because of their radical, goofy views. They should just go someplace, or maybe with that, or just go live in a cave someplace and call it good.
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Yeah, I mean, don’t get me wrong. I would share a lot of their political ideals, at least that they espouse.
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But go take the little colt and go to some ranch someplace and call it good.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look, you people backed Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 15 :
You Davidians.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you are Davidians. You are Davidians, okay? And here’s the thing. These people, this army that is online right now attacking Victor Marks in all these crazy ways, okay, and is just attacking, attacking, attacking, attacking. It’s all they’re doing. He’s over that army. He knows a lot of these people. It’s true. Is his team telling them to go out and do this? They probably are. This is what worries me now about Scott. I’ve always liked Scott. I’ve always looked at Scott as a really good guy. I share a lot of his views. But, whoa.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hmm.
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The performance or, shall we say, just the way they’re acting online.
SPEAKER 15 :
I can’t argue that, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s scary.
SPEAKER 15 :
I can’t argue that. And I will tell you that a portion of his followers will support the candidate with an R next to their name, but by and large, the majority will not. In fact, I will tell you, I’ll go as far as to say this. His supporters will most likely undermine that next candidate, whoever has an R next to their name, especially if it’s the likes of Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 04 :
But however, I will also say this. Victor Marx’s supporters, a lot of them are from outside the party. I don’t think they will be very loyal either. To the nominee, if it isn’t Victor Marks. Okay?
SPEAKER 15 :
You could be right there, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
I look at Scott Bottoms and Victor Marks, and I say that their supporters, more than any supporters of any other candidates in the field, will not be loyal to the party nominee. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
You are probably correct, Andy. Okay, go ahead. The next name on here who I don’t know is Bob Brinkerhoff? Good guy. And I don’t know Bob. I mean…
SPEAKER 04 :
I just know him online, and I’ve always enjoyed him online. I don’t know his views that well, but good guy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Jason Clark. Jason’s a nice guy. I’ve talked to Jason before.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I like Jason.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think he’s great. Again, I just don’t think he’s got enough momentum to really make it to the finish line, but he is a super nice guy, and he’s funny.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Honestly, Jason nowadays, he doesn’t seem to be taking this seriously. I know.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s doing it more as a troll. It’s more of a slapstick comedy than it is anything else.
SPEAKER 04 :
In a fun way, and I got nothing against that. I’m fine with it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, I’m going to skip through a few of these because, honestly, the next four, three or four, again, I’m going back to this. If I don’t know your name, then you probably ought to drop out now because you don’t have much chance in winning, period. Barb Kirkmeyer is the next one. Will Barb’s supporters, if she doesn’t win the nominee, will they support the one that has an R next to their name? Yes, they will.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
They will.
SPEAKER 04 :
They will be loyal to the team.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, they will be.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, so will Bob’s and so will Jason’s.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Yeah, true. That’s a good point. That’s a good point. Greg’s on here again. Greg shouldn’t be. Will Greg’s supporters support somebody with an R next to their name? No, they won’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sorry, Greg’s just going to pull off.
SPEAKER 04 :
Their goal is to damage the one with the R on there.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re going to pull away from the Republican Party when it’s all said and done. Yeah. Of course, Victor Marks we’ve talked about already as far as his folks go. Jason Mikesell, we’ve talked about him a lot. We’ve interviewed him numerous times. He’s the one that’s sort of coming up as that outlier that I think has a pretty good chance, by the way, if things go his way.
SPEAKER 04 :
He is my dark horse.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 04 :
And right now he is the most marketable person in the field. That doesn’t mean I’m endorsing him, folks. I’m not endorsing anybody. This has got a long ways to go. Maybe I’ll find out things about Mike’s all I don’t like. But I will say this. Right now he is the most marketable in the field. Who’s next?
SPEAKER 15 :
Joe Oltman, just because he’s got name recognition, but he’s still unelectable, and he’s a cray-cray.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Joe Oltman.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sorry, the guy’s crazy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Joe Oltman, I believe, has only gotten into the race to attack others.
SPEAKER 15 :
I would agree with that.
SPEAKER 04 :
He knows. Joe Oltman, and he is the one that you and I have talked about before, and you and I have a deep disagreement about him. I believe if he were the GOP candidate, we would lose the race by 30 points. You believe we would lose the race by 50. Yep.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because he’s a wackadoodle. He’s just way out there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, he will be hated by Colorado.
SPEAKER 15 :
People in the middle of the party even will not vote for him because he’s a wackadoodle. Sorry, he just is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and he’s trying to sell himself as the one who will listen. He’ll listen to all the voters. No, he won’t. And nobody else is listening to the voters.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, he won’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
Joel Oatman is the most aggressive personality in this entire field.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s type A to the max.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s a type A, sorry, he’s a type A narcissist. I can tell that by his posts.
SPEAKER 04 :
None of Scott Bottom’s followers, his supporters, can show why Scott would win statewide, okay? Joe’s supporters make Scott’s look reasonable.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Can’t argue that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s nobody else on the list. Sorry. If I run through the rest of these that are down here, I just don’t know any of the rest of these people. Yeah, we like them all, but…
SPEAKER 04 :
Then no one knows your name.
SPEAKER 15 :
Then no one knows your name, and you don’t have a snowball’s chance of winning.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m sorry to say. And that’s true of any of the radio personalities around the state. If we don’t know your name, then you don’t have enough name rec.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and it’s nothing personal, folks. What we’re saying right now has nothing to do with anything personal. We don’t have a vendetta against anybody. That’s not why I’m going through this list. I’m really going through it to hopefully really get this thing down. And I know it’s not going to happen, but I’d like to see this thing get narrowed down even before caucus and or folks that are trying to petition on. I’d like to see this thing get way narrowed down.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, sure.
SPEAKER 15 :
We’d like that. So we can actually start focusing on some folks that might have a chance of winning.
SPEAKER 04 :
But I will say this. The small fry are really not eating into any airtime anyway.
SPEAKER 15 :
Probably not.
SPEAKER 04 :
They have no money. They’re not chewing into any of the market right now. They’re not touching it.
SPEAKER 15 :
The Democrats, by the way, they have six. The only two that really matter are Phil Weiser and Michael Bennett. And Phil doesn’t stand a chance against Michael, so Michael’s going to be your guy.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m surprised Phil isn’t running for something else.
SPEAKER 15 :
Phil’s an egomaniac. He is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Watch some of the things he says and does and so on. And he’s a guy that, you know, and I don’t know if there’s any strategy from the DNC in this, but Phil’s a guy that probably is poking his, you know, raising his middle finger up at the DNC saying, yeah, I don’t want to get out of it. I’m staying in no matter what you guys say.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, here’s my question. There will be a primary on their side. Phil is a lawyer who’s going to be taking shots at Bennett. Do you think he could hurt Bennett in the general? No.
SPEAKER 15 :
No. Now, nobody will care. Yeah, no one will care. And what may happen is Michael may actually take some shots back, which might actually hurt Phil when it’s all said and done. Because keep in mind, Phil’s a lawyer that’s never tried a case in his life, even though he’s our attorney general.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m not joking, folks. Before becoming attorney general, the guy’s never tried a case in his life, and yet he’s our attorney general. The guy’s a loser.
SPEAKER 04 :
Totally.
SPEAKER 15 :
Through and through. He’s a complete loser.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 15 :
But he’s our attorney general because you knuckleheads voted for him. All you knuckleheads on the left voted for the guy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you’ve got to keep in mind, though, this is the state we are in, and this is why I look again at Scott Bottoms. Scott, do you realize you live in a state where we elected a guy with no experience for the job? to be our attorney general because all this state wants is an activist, a left-wing activist in control. Okay, you’re going to a market that votes in left-wing activists to run our lives. And you are from the far right, and you think you can compete in that.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a great example. How does that happen? Yeah, thank you. I mean, just having Phil elected and going back in time to when – let me click his name here really quick because it will give me the link as to who he actually ran against because, frankly, I can’t remember who we ran against him when he actually – When he actually won, let’s see there. He won against, I’ve got to look here, because there’s a bunch that he ran against because you’ve got all of the no-labels parties and all of the nonsense, which doesn’t make any difference. I’m looking. I’m looking here. Why is it not showing me? Not showing me. Okay, hang on. It should have showed me where he’s at here. I would have to go back and look. I’m sorry, folks. I don’t see this on here, and it should come right up as far as who he ran against the last time, but it is not telling me. I’d have to do a separate Google search. Maybe you can do that, Andy, really quick. But bottom line, here’s the deal. It wouldn’t have mattered who he ran against him. Reality is you were going to have a Democrat attorney general no matter what because that’s just the way things work in this state. Am I right? Yes. So that’s the bottom. And this goes back to the question – Your candidate, that person that you’re behind for the gubernatorial end of things for Republicans here in Colorado, why are you supporting them and how are they going to win? 303-477-5600. We’ll look that up in a moment. We’ll be right back. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up. If you want to save money on your roof and insurance, by the way, as well, look no further than the RoofMax product that can extend the life of your roof up to 15 years. 303-710-6916.
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SPEAKER 04 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. John Rush together with Andy Payton. John, really quick here. That was John Kellner.
SPEAKER 15 :
Kellner, okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Who was our candidate for Attorney General. He lost by about 11.7%. 300,000 votes, basically. That’s pretty good. I mean, in Colorado, that’s better than the other statewide races for the most part.
SPEAKER 15 :
Pretty good standing, but you’re still lost by 300,000 votes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you still got crushed. That’s a lot. Look, this is Colorado. Colorado has gotten to the point it is now blue enough to where it is electing all-out activists for the left.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because that’s what he is.
SPEAKER 04 :
To statewide positions.
SPEAKER 15 :
You have to remember that when it comes to Phil Weiser, just really quick background on him, the guy’s never worked a real job in his life.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, he’s a pure activist.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s exactly right. He has been an activist since day one coming out of college. He’s never done anything different, and he’s now your attorney general.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Simple as that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Guys, this is like in, let’s see here, in Virginia. Their new attorney general is the guy who was posting basically that he wanted, what was it, children of his opponent to see his opponent killed and stuff like this. A crazy guy, right? What a weird guy. He won easily. The voters don’t care. When a state goes pure blue. Doesn’t matter. They don’t care. You are going to have to be brilliant in your choice of candidates. Okay. Can we talk about another? Go for it. Okay. Really quick here. National Nurses Union calls for the abolition of ICE. Now, you and I have been talking about this for a while, John. Nurses have gone far left. But this is getting crazy. It’s getting out of hand. Okay. They are saying, we’ll crush ICE. We will crush ICE for our patients. Okay. All right? Okay. What does that mean? Yeah, well, here we go. National Nurses United. Nurses take a sacred oath to advocate for our patients. So when armed agents create a climate of fear in our communities, we take action.
SPEAKER 15 :
Back up, back up, back up. Hang on. Say that again. Say that part again. We took an oath to do what? to advocate for our patients. No, they didn’t. No, they didn’t. No, they never took an oath for that. That’s a bunch of BS.
SPEAKER 04 :
You aren’t advocates. No, they didn’t. You are here for one reason, to serve all people who come in before you equally.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s the Hippocratic Oath.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. That’s what you took. Do no harm.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right. You’re just like the doctor.
SPEAKER 04 :
Do no harm.
SPEAKER 15 :
In fact, let me go one step further to prove my point. And I know this from being around a lot of hospitals over the past several years with my folks. Here’s the reality. They have what they call patient advocates because that’s not what nurses do, right? There’s actually a separate person in the hospital that will become your patient advocate if you’d like that because that’s not what nurses do, folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so right off the bat, they’re lying. Yes. You didn’t take a sacred oath to advocate for your patients. You’re only saying that so you can pick and choose which patients and then pick political sides. That’s right. And become an activist. That’s right. Wearing a nurse’s outfit. Okay. Then they say, so when armed agents create a climate of fear, whoa! How is ICE creating a climate of fear in cities where they are not being opposed?
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re not.
SPEAKER 04 :
In cities that are simply telling them, hey, come on in. We’re working with you. We’ve got these people in custody. Can you take them away?
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re not, Andy. As simple as that. They’re not.
SPEAKER 04 :
Who is creating the climate of fear?
SPEAKER 15 :
The activists are.
SPEAKER 04 :
People on the side of these nurses.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
So the activists on the side of these nurses are creating the climate of fear. And then the nurses are saying, we are going to stand up for abolishing ICE. Let me tell you something, John. First of all, I’m going to state the obvious. All of these people should be out of their jobs. But that’s not going to happen. So I want to ask you. What does this mean? Because nurses nationwide, by and large, have become far-left activists. They are. There are good nurses who aren’t. And God bless you out there when you are, when you’re a good person. And I’m not even saying you’re a right-winger like me. I mean, you just don’t… You’re not an activist. All people, I’m here to serve them all equally. That’s right. But I have seen, during COVID, I saw… nurses treat the unvaccinated very, very poorly, terribly, and basically right into the grave. Absolutely. They treated them in terribly biased fashion. And then in the aftermath, when it comes out that COVID was raging through the vaccinated community, where being vaccinated did not make you any less dangerous to those around you. In other words, the unvaccinated were not spreading the disease. The unvaccinated were not more dangerous. Okay, here’s the question, John. Where’s the apology? Yeah. from all these nurses okay where is national nurses united where is their statement coming out and saying we are sorry for how we treated the unvaccinated during covid because now all the evidence is clear the only reason you treat the unvaccinated different from the vaccinated is because you believe the unvaccinated are more of a threat to those around them that’s correct All of the evidence now shows that was false. Where’s your apology? You put them through hell when they came into your doctor’s offices, when they came into your hospitals. These people came in because they had a knee problem. They came in because they had cancer. They came in because they had things. They were scared. These people came in to your hospitals because they were frightened because like all people, they had things go wrong in their lives. And you treated them like animals. You treated them like filth.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I saw it happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. Yep. You’re right, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
The nursing community right now, to me, is the enemy. Not all of them. There are some wonderful ones. But I’m telling you what, by and large, they are a bunch of leftist activists. And they treated good people, wonderful people, whose only crime was not taking a vaccine that didn’t help.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. You’re right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they treated them like filth.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. We’ve talked about it with Dr. Kelly many times. We’ll probably talk about that again on Thursday and get her opinion on all of this. What can we do now? Their job is not to be an activist. It never has been, never will be. That’s not the job of a nurse or a doctor.
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
Period.
SPEAKER 04 :
In fact, your job is to be the opposite of an activist. That is your job. Your job is to do the opposite of what you just did.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
You are not supposed to take, by the way, you’re not supposed to go the other way. You are not supposed to take a stand for ICE against immigrants or illegal immigrants. Okay? Your job is to serve people who come in and do no harm.
SPEAKER 15 :
Equally. Equally, no matter what background they have.
SPEAKER 04 :
What I saw during, I’m sorry, I know I get very emotional about this, but what I saw during COVID in the hospital sickened me. I will never get over it emotionally. Never. I was horrified to see what these monsters were like. And they were nurses. And we’re supposed to respect them and their first responders. And they care for the downtrodden. They care for the hurting. Let me tell you something. That wasn’t what I saw. No, don’t get me wrong. I have still, I’ve gone into hospitals and had wonderful experiences with nurses who helped me through a hard time, right? I had neck surgery. You know that. That was a hard time. By the way, I had one nurse who wasn’t good at all, but bad people are everywhere. Right. Good point. I don’t care about that. But what I saw during that, and now coupled with this, with this activism against ICE, I think the nursing profession needs to be flushed out. And I don’t know what can be done. I agree with you. I don’t know what can be done, but I mean, right now, Trump and his people have to come out against National Nurses United and say, As activists, you just took a major political position. How can anybody who disagrees with you feel comfortable coming in while they’re wearing their MAGA hat? And they come in because they just got their knee broken or whatever. And they need to be cared for. How can they trust that you are going to give them 100% care? How can they trust that with you? You’re an activist.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right. You can’t. You can’t. We have a great question coming in. John and Cheyenne, go ahead, sir. You’re up.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I remember back when you and the lady’s name was Dr. Kelly, is that correct? Yeah, you and her, she was mainly talking about it. And it still makes me mad to this day because these pharmacies don’t have a doctor’s license to practice or diagnose. So Dr. Kelly was talking about these pharmacists would come in with a prescription from a doctor for the, what’s that other alternative drug?
SPEAKER 15 :
Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine both.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and major brand pharmacies were refusing to fill them, they should be sued for that. It still makes me mad. I agree. When you had a doctor’s note, and they got no complications, but they’re playing political games with people’s health. Yes, they were. They don’t even have a doctor.
SPEAKER 15 :
With their lives, John. It wasn’t even their health. In some cases, their lives.
SPEAKER 04 :
The problem is they were given protection up front.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right. So tell me two things. When’s your next interview with Dr. Kelly? Thursday.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thursday, and we’ll talk about this then.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, could you please bring it up?
SPEAKER 15 :
I will do that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you, sir.
SPEAKER 15 :
You betcha, John. I plan on doing that. I’ll put that in my notes and we’ll definitely do that.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, do you think the doctor’s profession, I know that’s moved a little left too, but do you think it’s anywhere near as far left as the nurse’s?
SPEAKER 15 :
Depends on where you’re at. In some cases, yes. Yes. I think Dr. Kelly would even admit that. Probably depends on what health organization you’re a part of. Fair enough. You know, what hospital chain you might be a part of and so on. I think in general, and by the way, I think even when it comes to nurses, I think there are some chains that are very good at what they do. In fact, there’s been some of these nurses that have said things like this, and some of these chains have just come out and said, yeah, you’re not here anymore. You’re done. You’re gone. You’re fired. And rightfully so, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but this is, and by the way, the American Nurses Association, the ANA. And this article, and this is in town hall, basically says they have simply become a political arm of the DNC.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And they have.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, how could we have that? And I’m sorry, but when people go into a hospital, they’re so helpless.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and when they go to the hospital, they’re expecting unbiased views of what they have going on in their life.
SPEAKER 04 :
And their body.
SPEAKER 15 :
Especially their body, yes. In other words, your political view, my political view, where you go to church, where I don’t go to church, or where I go to church and you don’t go to church, or where I live versus where you live. I mean, none of that should matter, Andy, at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, these nurses are the equivalent of the people who broke up a worship service in Minneapolis.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, let me go one step further. And I don’t think my comparison is that far off. Bear with me here. And this might sound harsh, but this is no different than what Hitler and Nazi Germany did with his health staff. No, it isn’t. It’s exactly what he did. Am I right, Andy? Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you got to keep in mind, we’re not talking about the… You know, doing tests on Jews in back rooms. That came later. We’re talking about early on.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right. He had selective care.
SPEAKER 04 :
When they rose up, their health professionals were very politically biased.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they became more and more in charge of your life. That’s right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. It’s no different. This is sick. Same comparison, Andy. All right. We’ll take a break. We’ll be back in a moment. Ridgeline Auto Brokers coming up next. Make sure if you’re looking for a new used car, you call them first. RidgelineAutoBrokers.com.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 15 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And, yeah, to Andy’s point a moment ago, the whole medical community, and, yes, I will definitely put that question out to Dr. Kelly on Thursday. We’ll talk about that. We’ve brushed on that before with her in the past, so that will be an easy one to go back to and get her opinion on how all that works and where things are headed. And Steve House, of course, is going to join us as well, and he’s big on the admin sides of things and will probably have a little bit of things to say about that as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, ask him if there’s some way to fix it. And what I mean is this. Obviously, you can’t get rid of them all, but what I mean is provide an option. Okay, can we have hospitals that are not staffed by people from any of these unions?
SPEAKER 15 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Just so people know if they go in there, they’re going to be treated fairly.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because what I saw during COVID was not fair. It was horrible.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, it was. You’re right, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
And, John, it absolutely frightened me. It terrified me. My mom was a nurse, okay? It blew my mind to go in there and see people of one community, the unvaccinated, treated totally different from people of the other. Not just because they were told to go through some extra steps because we believe they’re a threat. No, no. I mean with disdain. Okay? They were treated meanly. It was awful.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. I agree.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, and by the way, we will. We will definitely ask those questions for John, you asking about that. Yes, we will definitely ask that, and I appreciate that, and I’ll get that into Dr. Kelly on Thursday. I have no problem doing that whatsoever. All right. Talked about yesterday, and this is something, Andy, and I’ll continue to watch. And really quick, by the way, we didn’t have anybody respond to us on their gubernatorial candidate and why they think they would win. Even somebody on Facebook said, you know, I support so-and-so, and yet didn’t come back with any answers as to why and how they could actually win.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, so far, nobody. I’ve had a number of people respond, and they’ve been Joe Oltman and Scott Bottoms, and not one has given one reason they can win.
SPEAKER 15 :
Nor calling in.
SPEAKER 04 :
Nor are they calling in.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, kind of says it all, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it does.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean— How can they win? I mean, if you’ve got them as your person, which, by the way, I’m fine with that. I mean, if that’s who your person is, that’s your person. I get that. You know, everybody has that person that they would like to win for whatever reason. But I want to know, outside of he’s a good guy or he’s my friend or I believe in what he says, I mean, I want to know why do you think he can win, not only he or she, You know, they is what I should say. How can they win the primary and then go on to beat a Michael Bennett who will most likely. I mean, I don’t have a crystal ball, but and I don’t bet. But if I was going to bet on anything at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
I would bet on Michael Bennett winning the primary for the Democrats.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. Easily.
SPEAKER 15 :
That was a pretty easy bet. In fact, Andy, there’s probably not very good odds against that one because he’s going to be the guy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you’d bet $10,000 and you’d get back $10,001.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re not winning anything on that one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, but, you know, pocket that dollar. Yeah, you get a little bit of dollar there. So, yeah, you’re going to win a little bit.
SPEAKER 15 :
But, yeah, that’s pretty much a sure deal. So given that’s who you’re up against, and I want all of you that are – and I know you’re listening, and some of you are even sending messages to Andy. But I really want you to think hard and clear about, okay, if my guy does win or if my gal does win, then what? Then what? How do they go on to win the general election against a Michael Bennett? What do we do to rally support statewide around this particular individual? And what kind of message are they going to put out that’s going to be thrilling enough? And how am I saying this, Andy?
SPEAKER 04 :
Inspiring enough.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, inspiring enough and going to drive voters to you to where they will vote for you in the general election. What’s that going to be?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and here’s the problem. They’ve done a little bit of that, but they give me messaging that only plays in the base.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, that doesn’t help, folks. I don’t want to know that.
SPEAKER 04 :
What is their messaging that’s going to play outside the base?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, he’s a huge Second Amendment supporter. Okay, that doesn’t mean anything to the middle, folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, it doesn’t.
SPEAKER 15 :
In fact, in some cases, it might be a turnoff.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, okay, that one, again, don’t go there.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, I like it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I like it as well, but that’s not going to help get the person elected. Oh, man, they are so pro-life that, you know what, they believe in life at the moment of conception. Great, okay, fabulous. Great, not going to get them elected.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know what?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, they’re fiscally responsible. Okay, now explain that. What do you mean they’re fiscally responsible?
SPEAKER 04 :
Fiscally responsible, yeah. Anybody can say that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which, by the way, right now, just as a side note, all of the candidates, if any of you are listening, the thing you should be running on right now, no matter what side of the aisle you’re on, given everybody’s property taxes just showed up and they’re so much higher than they were prior, the thing I would be running on as governor right now on either side of the aisle would be, I promise I will figure out a way to lower your property taxes. Yeah. That’s one thing I would be running on. And if you’re not saying that as a gubernatorial candidate right now on our side of the aisle, shame on you. Because right now, that is a hot button with everyone.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, let’s just really quick reel off the hot button issues. That’s a big one. The ones that actually sell.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a huge one. Property taxes, because it’s affecting everybody right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Number one, property taxes. People are furious.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, they are so upset because, again, they went up. In most cases, they’ve gone up. Let’s see. Mine went up a solid 10%.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, mine too.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a big number, folks. 10% is big.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, number two. We are going to get you more lanes for the roads, and we’re going to fix them. Roads and bridges. But we’re not just going to say roads and bridges, buddy. You are going to have more lanes for your car.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I don’t know if you can go as far as to say that, though, because a governor can’t do that.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, but a governor can advocate.
SPEAKER 15 :
They can advocate. They can use the bully pulpit. You need to make sure you say it that way. I will advocate that we do act.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is what I want for you, and I will advocate for it. Correct. Okay? I want you to have more lanes for your car because I’m telling you what, a lot of independents are going to say, really, please, I like you.
SPEAKER 15 :
And fixing the roads that we already have.
SPEAKER 04 :
And fixing roads, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s a distinct line literally drawn in the pavement when you leave this state.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, number three. Crime is right now at its lowest point. in over a century in America. That is because of good policing policies. We are going to use real cops. You’re going to have more cops, less crime. That’s what you’re going to have. That’s working in a lot of cities right now in a lot of states.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s going to work here next. You’ve got to dovetail that into the homeless end of things as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Okay. The homeless will be off the streets, period. It will be done gently.
SPEAKER 15 :
It will be done… Humanely, gently.
SPEAKER 04 :
Humanely, kindly.
SPEAKER 15 :
But we’re going to figure out a way to make sure that they’re either re-homed or they need to go find another state to live in.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, and that means also no more begging at street corners.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thank you. You took the words out of my mouth.
SPEAKER 04 :
No more panhandling. Panhandlers and the homeless will be off the streets.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a hot button. That will happen. It’s another big hot button, folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
No more panhandlers and homeless. Right. Okay, period.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
We will find places for them, but they will not be on the streets. If they continue to be on the streets, they will be locked up.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s the way it is.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. I agree. And, again, there’s probably a few other things we could throw out there, but, frankly, folks, a campaign of this size going up against a Michael Bennett, you need three, maybe four topics at best that you’re really focused on, that you’re really going to hammer at every single stop that you do, really getting that independent vote over to your side. You need three, four hot buttons, and that’s it. You don’t need more than that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Everything that’s working against crime nationwide, we’re bringing it to Colorado. Why are we last?
SPEAKER 15 :
And by the way, all of what we just talked about, you could dovetail into the whole affordability end of things because the more people you get to stay in Colorado and spend their money in Colorado, the more affordable things get.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s that simple.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
So if you do the things that we’re talking about, those of you that are candidates, those are your hot buttons that you should be running on. Unfortunately, none of you are because I see the things that you talk about and that’s not on your list.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. By the way, quit running away from oil and gas. No, run to it. Embrace it. I got news for you. Outside of the hard left, most people like oil and gas.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Andy, why don’t they do this?
SPEAKER 04 :
Basically, you know what you got to say? We are going to be the opposite of California. California is falling apart, so we’re going to do everything they don’t do. There. That’s my campaign. We are going to be not California. Okay? Okay? Everything’s too expensive there. People are running away from there. I want to give you an economy people run to, not from. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now, really quick, I’ll give whoever’s helping Victor Marx. I’ve got a minute or so here. I just went to his website just really quick. I didn’t go to Scott’s or anybody else’s, but I pulled his up first because we were talking about him earlier. Right. Here’s his four things on the issues. Four, mind you. So somebody has half a brain. I’ve seen these websites where there’s a dozen.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
So there’s four. Government accountability and transparency. Okay, I get that. Any corruption, waste, and unaccountable government. Although, truthfully, that’s hard to message.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, that doesn’t sell at all.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, that’s hard to message across the aisle to that middle-of-the-road voter. In other words, what does that mean? Honestly, I wouldn’t run on that topic.
SPEAKER 04 :
When people hear that, all they feel is that you’re going to turn your side into a hit side. Okay, we’re going to get all the people we don’t like and we’ll call it accountability. No, that doesn’t sell. What’s next?
SPEAKER 15 :
Housing and cost of living. Again, I would dovetail that into the other things Andy and I just talked about. I would not make that my main focal point. It’s gray area. That’s right. It’s too gray.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, nobody understands that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Jobs, taxes, and economic growth. Now, we talked about that a little bit, Andy and I did a moment ago, but again, that needs dovetailed into the other things that we talked about because those things generate that anyways.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
And then lastly, law and order and public safety. Okay. And that one, Andy and I did talk about as far as, you know, that’s probably the one thing I wouldn’t change. I would go ahead and leave on there, you know, given the fact that that’s a topic Andy, you and I just discussed, but I would change the other three out and put some of the things you and I just talked about.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, look, you’ve got to make – but people don’t understand that. They understand more cops, less crime. Okay, you’ve got to package it in a way that their mind is going to remember it. Right. Not, I’m for law and order and da-da-da-da-da. You’re right. Everybody says they’re for law and order.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, were you not for it?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. The people who are running over ICE agents in Minneapolis say they’re for law and order.
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, and I’m sorry, I’m not going to pick on Victor, but I have to say this. The reason why the property tax issue is probably not on Victor’s site is because, unfortunately, he probably doesn’t pay any.
SPEAKER 04 :
Quite possibly.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because he’s a nonprofit and so on, so he’s not paying any.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Let me just say this, and you know I do messaging. All four of those things, the way he put them, will not sell to any voters.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, they will not, unfortunately. Guaranteed.
SPEAKER 04 :
They will not win a single voter.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, they’re not, Andy. That needs to be restructured.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I agree with him on all of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re great, but they’re not sellable to the middle-of-the-road voter when you’re on the campaign trail. Lowering property taxes does. Yeah. It’s that simple, folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
I will lower your property taxes. Yep. You will have more cops, less crime.
SPEAKER 15 :
And more money in your pocket at the end of the day to pay bills with.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s the message, folks. That’s it for today. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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