Hour three of Rush to Reason gets spicy. John opens with Colorado weather and the coming time change, then dives into the “shutdown war,” arguing that Democrats are exploiting spending to push the country toward dependency, while noting Rep. Jared Golden breaking ranks as a centrist voice. He pivots to Colorado’s brewing fight over river access, defending private property rights against a new push to let paddlers and anglers float through private land. Mid-hour, writer Jared Whitley joins to unpack Denver’s Referendum 310 on flavored nicotine; after some confusion, John clarifies the ballot direction on-air and makes the case
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All right, hour three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 56. A little weather coming through the Denver area right now, so if you’re out and about, be careful. You can see lightning off to our west, meaning there’s probably, well, I can see the rain rolling across town west to east as we speak. So if you’re out there driving around, be careful, especially as it gets a little darker earlier now. And a time change, which I should know this off the top of my head. I always forget, though, if it’s next week or the week after. And it is the week after. So time change, I believe, happens. Let me double check myself here. Actually, it is next weekend. So we have got this week left of driving home as it is now. Next week, it will be dark now. Probably the best way to look at it. I mean, at 5 o’clock, it will be getting dark. Because we’re going backwards. So it’ll actually be very dark. Well, I shouldn’t say very dark. Because right now it’s light until, what, Charlie 6-ish or so. So it’ll be the way today is with the dark clouds. It’ll look about like this. at 5 o’clock next week, but it’ll be fully dark by 5.15, 5.30. So anyways, we’ll talk more about daylight saving time ending as we go through the week. Right now, though, what I want to talk about is, of course, the government shutdown. And this particular article I called the government shutdown war because right now it is. It’s a war between one side and the other. And the lies from one side versus reality on the other. And it’s interesting. Sometimes I’ll get lefties that will fight me on certain things and tell me that, you know, I’m wrong or you need to look at this or you need to look at that. And when it comes to government shutdown, I haven’t had a single lefty defend the shutdown and or accuse the right of a shutdown, which you can’t accuse the right of a shutdown because it’s not. Now, the left is accusing the right of the shutdown, but they’re lying. They’re wrong. they’re the ones that have shut things down because they won’t agree to a clean, continuing resolution. They want to add a bunch of pork, which they always do. Democrats love spending money. And some of you say, well, why do they love that so much? Well, it’s because they love the people. No, no, no, that’s not it at all. Oh, because they feel bad for the poor. No, no, that’s not it either. The reason why they love spending money is they know if they can bankrupt the country, Marxism wins. It’s that simple. And if you don’t know that and you’re on the left, you’re very ignorant. I don’t want to say that you’re stupid, but you’re very ignorant of the facts because that’s what Marxism does. Break the country financially, put them in ruins, and then you can move in with all of your policies and so on, which, by the way, just make it more bankrupt. And at the end of the day, you have this huge chasm between the haves and have-nots, and that’s exactly what they want. It happens every single time they take over. It’s no different. It’s their playbook. So that’s why, for those of you listening, that’s why the left loves spending money. Now, unfortunately, some of that mentality has moved into the right as well because we have our own issues with spending money. We don’t do it at times any better than they do, although in this particular case, we’re holding our ground. Now, there’s a Democrat representative, Jared Golden. who is actually on the Republican side in this. He’s actually one of the few Democrats breaking ranks and essentially saying the game that you guys are playing right now as Democrats is dumb. He even goes as far as to say that there is the hardcore left of the party that is pushing this, and his quote is, what they’re doing is wrong. He did an interview here of late. And again, he is he is way outside the box on what the left wants, what the Marxist left wants. He he accuses the Democrat leaders of falling prey to the demands of the far left. And what I would say to Jared is you’re I’m sorry to say you’re on the wrong side of the aisle. And as I read through some of the things that Jared stands for, and he’s an ex-Marine and so on, and seems like a really nice guy. Unfortunately, he’s on the wrong side of the aisle. Maybe it’s the only way he can get elected is to actually be a Democrat in Maine. But at the end of the day, his thought process is totally against the party that he’s a part of. It’s completely the opposite in most cases of what his party stands for. In fact, he has sided with the right on several things because he considers himself a centrist, a centrist Democrat, if there is such a thing. But he literally is spelling it out that what the left is doing is really doing nothing but hurting those that they claim to be helping the most. But as I always say, and I’ll continue to say it, that’s what the left does, because they’re not really who they say they are. They lie. Through their teeth, they lie. They will tell you that, oh, yeah, we’re all for the poor. Oh, yeah, we’re for this. Oh, yeah, we’re for the minorities. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they’re not, actually. And they know it. And believe me, the upper echelon of the party, those that are pushing the buttons, they know what I just said is true. The lemmings don’t. The lemmings believe everything that the left tells them, and they’ll just continue to push that and march and hold signs and act stupid and do all the things that the left does. They’re the lemmings. They’re not really a part of the leadership of the party. Even if they think they are, they’re not, because the true leaders know everything I just said is true. They are not out for the little guy. They are out to put their thumb on the little guy. They believe wholeheartedly, and let me be clear when I say this, The left believes wholeheartedly in the golden rule, not in the golden rule that we all have come to know growing up as kids, you know, do unto others as they would have or as you would have them do unto you. That’s not the golden rule they believe in. They believe in the golden rule called the guy with the gold rules. That’s what the left believes in. Don’t ever let them tell you otherwise. They believe in if we can keep our thumb on you, especially financially and socially speaking, then we have control over you. So let’s take control of the public school system. Let’s take control of the churches. Let’s take control of your belief system. Let’s keep you under our thumb. We want you to be in Section 8 housing. We want you to be on WIC. We want you to be on all of these other programs that are out there, EBT and so on. Snap, go down the list and name them off. They want you to be on those programs. It’s by design. Any of you out there listening that are in one of those, you of all people should know what I mean. They want you by design to be there, and once they get you sucked into it, it’s extremely hard to leave because they design it that way. You know, you get X amount for X, and if you make over X amount, all of those go away, therefore incentivizing you to not make any more money. That’s the problem that the job community has right now, businesses have right now, is hiring people that, frankly, they’re better off not working. They’re better off playing video games and going down and getting their SNAP benefits and whatever else they get. That’s the truth, folks. I’m not lying in anything I just said. There’s a lot of folk out there that get into those programs that I firmly believe have no desire to get out of them any way, shape, or form because they know at the end of the day they win by doing what they’re doing. They work far less hours than most of their counterparts do. And I’ve heard it. Oh, well, you know, if I make X amount of money, I lose my child care benefits. If I work over X amount of money, I’m going to lose my Section 8 housing. If I work over X amount and make X amount of money, I no longer get my SNAP benefits. I don’t get my EBT card, all those things. We have made it far too easy for people to stay on those programs. But again, the left has done this by design. And why we… I go back to the messaging thing we talked about in the first hour and last hour. Why we on the right don’t say more of this is beyond me. It’s the truth. We should be speaking it. And we don’t. For some odd reason, we think that it won’t get us elected. Folks, Republicans, those of you that are on this side of the aisle, those people aren’t voting for you anyways. That person is getting snapped. They’re not your voter. So it doesn’t really matter. The 40 million Americans that are getting some sort of a subsidy from us that are taxpayers, they’re not voting for you. So why do you care? Why do you care what you say? In fact, I want to be very honest with those people and say, you know what? Come over to our side. Have some dignity. Start working for yourself. Quit taking the handouts. Have some pride in the things that you do. And I want you to be on our side where you can, by the way, make a whole lot more money and be a lot more financially secure when it’s all said and done and don’t live under the rule of Democrats. Marxist Democrats, by the way. Let me make sure I keep adding that correctly. I want people to come to our site to be free and not be underneath their thumb. That’s the message we should be preaching constantly. And during the shutdown, especially, we should be preaching it. But unfortunately, we fail on messaging constantly. All right. Speaking of finances, make sure you’re financially secure as you move forward and head into retirement. Talk to Al Smith today. He is my financial advisor. He’d love to help you out as well. 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This is TJ with KLZ Radio, and once again, we have Al Smith with us from Golden Eagle Financial. And Al, we’re coming up on the end of the year, and I figure there’s probably quite a few things that a retirement planner has to do to prepare for the new year, yes?
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Well, there are a couple of things that have a 31st deadline that we talk to some of our clients about. If people are thinking about converting part of their traditional IRA to Roth, they’re That needs to be done before December 31st. And we don’t usually wait till the last week in December because the financial companies get really busy. So it’s a good idea to address that in November. And usually by then people have a pretty good idea. how much money they have earned, and we can guesstimate their tax bracket.
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So you’re just basically helping them reach out to figure out what sort of distribution they should get from an investment?
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Well, not so much distribution, but if they’re younger people, they may have a longer-term strategy to convert traditional IRA to Roth. And that will add income to their income tax they pay each year. And we usually wait until near the end of the year because by then people know what tax bracket they will be in. But it has to be done before December 31st.
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Excellent. And that’s why we trust you, Al. How can people get in touch with you if they want to start their retirement planning adventure with you?
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That’s a good way to describe it as an adventure. You can reach me at 303-744-1128. And if you’re driving when you hear this, contact KLZ and they’ll put me in contact with you. All right. Thanks for joining us today, Al. Thank you for having me.
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All right, we are back. Continuing on this third hour on this Monday. That’s getting a little rainy now. That’s all right. Be careful when you’re driving around, though. This is an interesting topic and one that I’ll do my best to describe and give you my side of this. And there’s going to be different sides even from this audience. But bear with me and let me explain my side and why I believe the way that I do before some of you start running off and texting me really quick because you think I’m wrong. Currently in Colorado, If you own property where a river runs through it, even a stream, river or stream, runs through it, the way Colorado law is, and I’ll explain why I’m talking about this, but the way the law currently is, you own that. You don’t own the water per se, but you own the rights to it. Let me say it that way. Because the way Colorado law is, is you own the banks, you own the ground under the water, under the river, all of that. Meaning if there’s somebody that is wanting to fish, paddle through, whatever the case, they can’t. That river, that waterway can be closed off by a private property owner, which, by the way, I am for. Now, that’s different in Colorado than a lot of other states. There’s a lot of other states whereby that’s not the case. If you can stay within the banks and not touch anything and roll through on a boat or on whatever, there is not a single thing anybody can say. Again, it comes down. to the state that you’re in. And this is where it gets really convoluted, sort of like some of the Second Amendment laws that are out there. Every state’s not equal. What you can do in one state doesn’t mean you can do it in another state. So here in Colorado, our law is you as a private property owner really do technically, you can’t access the water and pull it out without water rights, but you technically, if that water is running through your property, you have full rights to tell somebody to get off. They can’t be there. Now, if you choose to allow them to roll through, that’s completely up to you. And what’s happening, though, right now is there is now an advocate group, of course, that are preparing legislation that would allow paddlers, or fishermen for that matter, to float through private property. And it would end more than 40 years of fighting over public access to Colorado waterways. Now, I’m against that. I’m going to tell you right now, I am a private property owner. Guy, I believe in the rights of that private property owner. In fact, I believe in it so much that I think there’s times that cities and counties interject far too much in regards to zoning and other things that prohibit what that person can do with their private property. But I’m a private property rights guy. And I like the way Colorado has done this in the past. And I feel like if you own the land around that body of water that’s rolling through your property, you have full rights to either shut that access off or back on. That’s up to you. And I can fully understand, especially in today’s world with all the knuckleheads that are out there, that it’s not the way it used to be when I was a kid where you hunted and fished and did the things that you did. It’s completely different today. And if I were a private property owner that had river running through my property, which I actually have a property that’s along these lines, so I guess I do have a little bit of a stake in the game, it’s a no for me. You’re not using that water. Done. Sorry. End of story. And the problem is the entitlement mentality. And this is true even on our side sometimes as conservatives because there’s a lot of probably hunter and fisherman out there listening to me that don’t agree with my stance on this. They feel like if that body of water is rolling through private property and you can stay within the banks and you’re not stepping out onto that particular private property and you can wade through and still keep fishing, you should be entitled to do so. Key word, entitled to do so. I disagree, by the way. I don’t believe in that. I don’t think that’s the right way to look at it. Because if you do, then you really don’t truly believe in private property rights. Because in Colorado, the way the law stands is that private property owner has the right to shut that off. But, again, there’s a group out now that want to change this. And as I go through and I read this entire article today, there’s a company today that – I’m trying to find the name of the group that’s trying to get this changed. They have their own name, of course. And, of course, there’s some business owners that do whitewater rafting and things like that. And, of course, their position is landowners are getting more aggressive and it’s having a chilling effect on our business. Well, pick a different business then. Sorry, I don’t have to tell you. You don’t own the waterway. In fact, in this case, you don’t even own the water. Somebody else does. And that owner has the property around it, and they can shut that off if they want to. So, again, this is becoming a bigger and bigger deal. And there has been conflicts and lawsuits and things like this over the years. And what these new advocates, new, how do I want to say it, activists, want to do is forge new legislation that would basically quote unquote clear all of this up well it’s not even a matter of clearing it up because it’s pretty clear right now where the law is but they want to change the law and by the way outfitters are really big on this you can see why because outfitters make money off of using these things to take people out hunting fishing and so on yes there’s outfitters that do both hunt and fish And so there’s, of course, these individuals that are on that side of the aisle. And by the way, there’s a lot of outfitters. They’re very conservative. But they’re going to join this Colorado Stream Access Coalition. That’s who’s putting this together. They’re courting lawmakers for stream access legislation that will open up public access through private property. Again, I’m totally against that. And I will stand by that. And no, you’re not going to change my mind. You can’t come up with a scenario on my end that changes my mind. I don’t care if somebody owns 10,000 acres and they shut the stream access off through their property. They own it. It’s their right. If you don’t like it, buy it. I know that sounds really harsh, but folks, if we get into this point, this goes back to everything I just talked about a little bit ago with the Marxist belief system and what the Democrats try to do with spending and so on. This is the same. If you make all property equal to everybody, no matter who owns it, that’s Marxism. Tell me I’m wrong. That is Marxism, giving access to everybody, regardless of who owns it, meaning you’re stripping away the private property rights. That’s Marxism. Through and through. So anybody that’s going to jump on this call to stream and access coalition is in a way maybe not a Marxist, but going down the path of Marxism. And again, I encourage any of you that are even outdoorsmen that are listening to me that are thinking, well, geez, John, you’re wrong. I mean, it’s going to kill a lot of industry. And folks, our law right now works. In a lot of cases, these outfitters can get approval from private property owners and so on. And what we’ve had right now works. Why screw that up? So I know why they want to screw it up because, as I just said a moment ago, in the end, what’s really happening here is they want to strip private property rights. That’s another goal of Marxism, by the way, folks. Make everything equal. No one has any rights to their property any more than the next guy has, the person that doesn’t own property. Make it all equal. What’s yours is mine. What’s mine is yours. The problem is it never works in reverse. What’s yours is mine. Oh, I don’t have anything to give, so here I am. So this is a bigger deal, and the reason I wanted to bring it up today is this is a lot bigger deal than probably most people think, and it’ll get very little press when it’s all said and done. Very few talk shows will talk about what I just did because to them it’s a no big deal. They don’t own any property with water on it. Why do they care? It doesn’t affect them at the end of the day. Let everybody fish and boat and do whatever they want to. It’s no big deal. As long as they stay in the water, who cares? Well, the private property owner does. And keep in mind, folks, there are situations whereby you might only own an acre lot. and have just a teeny sliver of that particular area that that river runs through. And maybe part of your privacy and tranquility and so on is having that particular spot and the ability to look down and hear the river running and so on. Do you really want a bunch of people trampling through your quote-unquote backyard at that point? No is the answer. And my answer would be an emphatic no. But this group wants to change it. And the legislation, by the way, is not written, but trust me, they will get it written, and they’re going to do their very best. This will be a third try, it looks like, for this legislation. They’re doing their best to try to get this passed, whereby private property owners, their rights go away. So, yes, folks, much bigger deal than probably most think. Most probably don’t look at this that way, but I do. All right. We’ve got our guest joining us here in one moment. Geno’s Auto Service coming up next. When it comes to your vehicle, full bumper-to-bumper service at Geno’s Auto Service. Call them today. Find them by going to genosautoservice.com, and Geno starts with a J.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Debra’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Jared Whitley joining us now. Jared, welcome. How are you? Hi, I’m doing great, John. How are you? I’m doing great. Thanks for joining us. And this is something, and I said this earlier when I was, you know, promoing you, you know, coming on today, Referendum 310 here in Denver, which has to do with flavored nicotine ban, which when I talk e-cigarettes and all that kind of stuff, Jared, I will just tell you straight up, I’m about as much of a nobody in that area. In other words, I have very little understanding of all of that in the first place.
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Oh, OK. Well, I’m glad you had me on. What can I explain to you?
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All right. So first of all, why would voters want to ditch flavored nicotine? I mean, I guess, again, being that I’m pretty much a novice when it comes to e-cigarettes and all of that, you know, what’s the good, bad, the ugly? And why would you want to ditch the flavored nicotine end of things in the first place?
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OK, so so. Flavored nicotine has been proven better than anything else to keep people off smoking cigarettes. Okay. Right? Okay. And so it’s one of those things where you look at it and you can say, oh, this is so unhealthy to have kids vaping or 20-somethings vaping or whatever. And that’s true. Okay. any amount of smoking is worse than no amount of smoking. Right. But it’s one of those institutes. It’s one of those instances where I think some people are trying to make perfect the enemy of good, right? Where, so, so last December, the, the city council in Denver by vote of 11 to one voted to ban the sales of, of flavored tobacco.
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That I knew.
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Okay. Yep. I remember that. Couches, et cetera. Um, and then there was a, uh, uh, a citizen initiative and 17,000 Denverites signed this petition. So it’ll be on November’s ballot here in, I guess, a week or so in order to overrule that. And, you know, there are people who say that this is not healthy to be smoking vapes. It’s much, much, much, much, much more healthy than smoking nicotine. So that’s the thing that I tried to draw attention to in my piece in the Colorado Sun is And I hope that they’re at least 51% of Denverites who go to vote agree with me.
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And if I’m not mistaken here, Jared, I mean, anytime we do some of these anti-X type bans, and by the way, it could be anything. We could say, you know what, you can no longer drive a red car. We’re going to ban the sale of red cars in Denver. All people do, Jared, and maybe I’m wrong in this and tell me if I am, but all they do is just go to one of the surrounding suburbs and buy a red car instead. Am I not wrong in my thought process?
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Yeah, that is one way that people circumvent this kind of… Because if I really want a red car, I’m going to drive a red car and buy one. Well, or maybe if I’m feeling particularly entrepreneurial, me and my criminal buddies will start a bunch of red car speakeasies. Good point.
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Good point. Good point. No, my point is, and you can kind of tell where I lean on this. Number one, I hate extra laws that are not needed. I am not a big one on that. We have… More than enough laws already on the books. Bottom line, we don’t need any more. And by telling in a particular city especially that you can’t do something, number one, typically it pushes the demand for that up because that’s how things typically work. And on the same token, they’ll just go to one of the surrounding cities and all you’re going to do is pump up additional sales around Denver by having a ban on flavored nicotine in Denver.
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So that is one of the things that can happen. The other thing, so there’s this term in business called elastic demand and inelastic demand. And the idea, there are some things that no matter what you try to do, people are going to want them or people are going to need them. If something like the desire to smoke, if that’s inelastic and people aren’t able to vape, then they’ll go back to smoking cigarettes, right? And this is much, much worse. Good point. So what we’ve done with vaping is the free market has come up with a more effective way of getting people off cigarettes than all the anti-tobacco stuff that you and I saw when we were kids. Right. So if we look at rates of traditional smoking… They’re the lowest in American history since that data has ever been tracked. There’s a study I cite in my article. In 2024, only 11% of Americans smoke weekly. Only 11%. Wow, that’s really low.
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When I was a kid, everybody smoked, Jared. I grew up in the automotive world in the 70s and early 80s, and I’m not joking, Jared. I mean, I’ll bet it was the opposite. I’ll bet you only 11% didn’t smoke.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, yeah, it could be. It could be. And when you were a kid, what percentage of your fellow kids do you think were smokers?
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A lot. I was one that, you know, I think because my voice, I’ve told the story many times, but I grew up in the car industry, car dealership. And when I was about 12, 11, 12 years of age, one of my first jobs was cleaning up after work. Smokers, you know, emptying ashtrays and cleaning them out of urinals and all the different things that you do when you’re a kid and has to clean and get the jobs nobody else wants to do. Jared, I was so sick of looking at old used cigarettes. I never had a desire to smoke in my entire life.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that would be exposure therapy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And for me, you know, for me it was easy. But to your point, yes, no, I had all sorts of friends that even though they weren’t supposed to, did. I mean, again, at the end of the day back then, a lot of people smoked, to your point. I mean, it’s way low today from where it was before. Previous, and maybe I’m a little different, but I look at it and think, okay, if we’ve got an alternative, somebody is now, and they don’t want to. I also know that nicotine is one of the hardest things to break. Smoking cigarettes is one of the hardest habits to break. I realize that as much as anybody. And if there’s an alternative, i.e. an e-cigarette, that is still better for you than smoking a full-bore cigarette, then if that’s a step in the right direction, I’m all for it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, good. Well, again, 17,000 Denverites were, when they signed the petition, saying we need to overrule this ridiculous law passed by the city council and signed by your mayor. We’ll see if we can get that 17,000 up to 51%. The goal is to keep as many people Without by using incentives and alternatives rather than the heavy hand of the law to try to live as healthy a life as possible.
SPEAKER 03 :
So where do you have any polling? Where are we at with this right now? Or do you know? I haven’t seen any recent polling. OK, so in other words, not sure those of you that are in the Denver area spread this around. So let me make sure that I get this correct as well. Jared, when they read the ballot, is it going to be a yes or a no as far as how to vote? It’s going to be yes or no. No, I mean, what should they be voting? No, I’m assuming.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, okay. So, referendum 310, keep or drop a ban on flavored products. The full text of the ordinance… Oh, gosh. Internet is not as reliable as radio when it comes… That’s all right. Take your time. When it comes to speed. Narrow prohibition, delaying 90 days, flavored tobacco…
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re fine. Take your time. We’re all good. We’ve got plenty of time.
SPEAKER 16 :
People should vote yes to overrule the flavored tobacco ban.
SPEAKER 03 :
So we’re going to say no to Referendum 310 by voting yes. Yes. Okay, I’ve got to put that in my notes here. By voting yes. So those of you that are in Denver that are actually going to vote on this and you see 310 on there, it is a yes. Yes. There we go. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Because, again, Jared, I go back to not only the things that you’re talking about, but I’m also a guy. I know because I know that elasticity you were talking about. I know how this works. If you tell somebody in one area you can’t have it, they’ll go someplace else and get it anyways.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
In other words, you’re not going to stop people from using e-cigarettes in Denver. By the way, I think sometimes that’s the perception. It’s, oh, if I vote no on this and we keep this referendum in, there’ll be less people smoking e-cigarettes that are flavored when it’s all said and done. No, Jared, it’s not going to change a thing. Or it might get worse. Or, thank you, or it actually, yeah, because it’s like prohibition. When you tell somebody they can’t do it, they do it anyways, don’t they?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. See, and I think it’s just maybe it’s human nature. Maybe it’s American nature because we were founded by revolutionaries and we always want to be revolutionary. But there’s an inbuilt desire in us to do the opposite of what we’re told to.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, I go down all sorts of other examples. And by the way, one of the best examples here of late that didn’t work out well. is government trying to force people to buy EVs. I own one, by the way. But when government tries to force that, it typically doesn’t end well. That’s another example of when you force something, you do not get the desired outcome. Let me say it that way.
SPEAKER 16 :
Incentives always work better than punishment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, absolutely. All right. You know what? This has been informative. Again, this is a particular thing that I don’t spend a lot of time on, so I appreciate you bringing this up to our attention because I wouldn’t have known which way to vote for this one way or the other. So thank you for the insight, Jarrett. Okay. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me on, John. You’re very welcome, Jared. I appreciate it. Have a great rest of your day. Again, I’m not a Denver resident. I don’t pay a lot of attention to these things. This is one of those things I didn’t know much about. But when they reached out to me with this one, it was like, okay, yeah, we can talk about this because I knew when they did the ban. And I’m guessing – and Charlie lives in the Denver area. Charlie, do you still smell e-cigarettes that are flavored around your parts periodically? He says yes. He still smells them periodically, meaning it didn’t make them go away. So, again, city of Denver, the council folk there and so on, they think – I say that loosely. They think they know best for you. They don’t, of course. And so to me, just overturn them. Have a citywide vote. Have this thing overturned. Send a loud signal back to city council that, frankly, they have no idea what they’re doing and talking about. And off we go. Cub Creek Heat and Air Conditioning coming up next. Again, $56 off. Tune-up special when it comes to getting your furnace tuned up, which right now as we speak, it’s getting chillier out. It is 55 degrees. It’s going to be a little cooler tonight. I think some hard frost maybe in the next day, if I’m not mistaken. So make sure you’re dialed in when it comes to your furnace. Talk to Cub Creek today. Find them at klzradio.com.
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This isn’t Rage Radio. This is Real Relatable Radio. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. I just got clarification. Jared just sent me an email. He had it backwards. Vote no. So we were right initially. So this is one of those where vote no. Make sure that you’re clear on that last little topic we were talking about in the flavored, you know, flavored e-cigarette nicotine end of things. And that is referendum 310. So, again, make sure, and I’m changing my notes, make sure that you vote with a big no. So a big no. So Charlie, you’ll vote, so that’ll be a no. And again, folks, government never gets the desired outcome with these sorts of bans and things. All it typically does is force somebody to do something that they may not have done otherwise. In fact, the example with EVs, and I’ll put a plug in here really quick. We’ve got our extra hour of Drive Radio starting this Saturday. It’ll be Drive Radio, the extra mile. It’ll be more of a topical commentary, things like that. No, I’m not live. I won’t be here at that time of the day, but we’ll have things pre-done, ready to go for you, so you’ll be able to listen to some things that we can get into a little bit more in-depth. And the first show, because it was so successful here and it really – came off of Rush to Reason was we did an entire, Andy and I, not that long ago, an entire EV almost hour. Andy started asking questions. We had callers asking questions. And it really became a really great sort of question and answer time. And that’s a lot of what I’ll turn that hour on Saturdays, that extra mile hour into for Drive Radio is that sort of stuff. Well, anyways, this particular Saturday, we’re going to replay a big conversation we had on EVs because that’s another one where government got it wrong. The left wanted it so bad, they got in with government. Of course, they were in power at that time, and they really pushed the whole EV end of things, subsidizing it, et cetera, to the point that they ruined a lot of conservatives on buying them at all, which, again, is not the right stance. I understand that, but that’s what happened. By default, because they pushed people into doing something, almost one side, in fact, I think even some folks in the middle just said, yeah, no, I’m not doing that. I don’t like being told what I’m going to have to buy. I don’t like Governor Polis and Governor Newsom, California, Colorado, and other states putting out a moratorium on what type of vehicle I can even own by 2030. There was a resounding, yeah, no, we’re not doing that. really just poking them back in the eye saying, yeah, we’re not doing that. And I get that. I’m all for that. I don’t want any kind of a mandate either. But I’m a car guy. I’ll buy whatever I want to. I’m not going to let government tell me or not tell me what to do. If it’s something that I actually like and enjoy, I’ll buy it. But just like this particular situation with flavored nicotine and banning it, now more people are going to want it. The same thing can happen on the opposite side, which is government pushing something and then a lot of people resisting that saying, yeah, I’m not buying it just because you’re pushing it. You’re forcing me to do something that takes away my freedom. I’m not doing that. Now, in a way, that’s what this nicotine ban does as well. I no longer have the freedom in Denver to go buy what I want to buy to smoke, which, again, is legal in the town over. You just can’t do it in Denver. You can’t buy it in Denver. You can still smoke them in Denver. They haven’t outlawed that, but you can’t buy it in Denver. Dumb law, by the way. Really, or city ordinance, whatever you want to call it. Stupid. Yeah, it’s a big feel-good measure, Charlie just said. It absolutely does nothing, absolutely nothing at the end of the day But to those council members, they feel like it feels—because here’s how that gets sold, by the way. Well, those flavored nicotine things, you know, those e-cigs, that encourages young people to smoke. Folks. Folks. All of you listening know this. If a kid’s going to smoke, they’re going to smoke. That flavored or not flavored isn’t going to make a hell of a difference at the end of the day. Kids learned to smoke cigarettes when I was a kid. And they were awful, still are. No, I’m not a smoker. No, I never have been. You’ve heard my story. I’ve never picked up a cigarette and puffed on it in my entire life. Never had the desire to. I know I’m weird and unique. But I’ve told you why. I cleaned up after so many smokers as a kid, I had no desire to touch that filthy habit. And I’m sorry, I don’t know how else to say it because it is. It’s filthy. It’s filthy. And, yes, I’m a very anal, particular OCD kind of guy. I can’t imagine even trying to wipe off the cigarette smoke from the inside of my windows all the time, which is what I had to do as a kid. And for me, I’d look at you take a white towel because that’s what you used to wash windows with. And we’d have actually white shop rags designed just for washing windows. And you’d spray the cleaner on and you’d wipe it off of a car that was heavily smoked in. And the black, literally the black and the brown that would come off on the towel instantly is like, ooh, why would you want to do this? Anyways, I’m digressing, but that’s the reason why I’ve never smoked. I have no desire to. Now, the EV thing, that’s kind of the opposite of most people. Yes, I knew government was pushing them, but I looked at the technology and what was there, and I’m a techno freak guy. I love technology, and as I was looking at EVs and learning about them and the technology that’s there and so on, I think they’re great. Yes, they’re not for everybody. I will be the first to agree with that. Do they work for me? Absolutely. Yes. Yes. I have a new EV Silverado. Traded my old gas unit in on it because part of that was a recall and so on. It was a long story short. Wanted to try the full-size Silverado EV. Bought one of those a few months ago. And I will tell you right now, and I’m not exaggerating, best truck I’ve ever owned. Bar none. Best truck I’ve ever owned. Performance, drivability, how it handles, how it rides, the rear wheel steer. I can get into parking spots you can’t get a normal full-size truck into. I can actually turn a corner as tight as most small SUVs. Do I love it? Yes, I do. Absolutely. Would I buy another one? Yes, sure would. Again, one of the most comfortable full-size vehicles that I’ve ever driven in my life, A++ ratings. Love that truck. So far, so good. I’ll keep driving it, keep reporting back on it. But, again, I’m one of those where I didn’t look at EVs because government said to do something or not something. I looked at it because of just the sheer technology and everything I just mentioned. But I’m different than a lot of people. A lot of conservatives won’t buy one because government said you have to. It’s the opposite effect is how things work. And, again, you know, it’s not just true in America. I think it’s true in a lot of places. So, Dan, I’ve got a few minutes. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
So if you force people not to make a choice, they’re going to go the opposite way.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
The windmills, you know, those are all subsidized by government money.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, I lost you. You there, Dan? I’ll wait a minute and see if I can get you back. I wish they’d subsidize your cell service so we can listen. No, I’m just kidding. Are you back now? Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you now.
SPEAKER 07 :
Can you hear it?
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
So that’s the problem with being a black hawk. You’ve got dead spots.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s all right. I understand.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. So if we hadn’t subsidized the windmills, we’d probably have a much better product than we do today, and they’d probably figure out how to make it efficient.
SPEAKER 19 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because it was forced upon us, and it was subsidized by tax dollars and us paying a higher utility fee.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re not… They don’t… Anyways, I… No, you’re right. The wind has got to blow… The wind has got to blow all the time for them to be effective.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. You’re correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I had a friend that lived up in Wheatland, Wyoming, that had a power plant, and I can’t remember. He gave me some number. One smokestack was the equivalent of, like, 400 windmills, something like that, 400 or 500 windmills. And the… I… It looks much better than having 400 or 500 windmills out in the country, I think. That’s me personally.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. And again, everything you just said, you’re again, you’re spot on. And why? Well, I know why, because government’s dumb and they want to force things and they think they can force their hand and they can get done what they want to by doing so. But at the end of the day, it always backfires. It’s no different with this nicotine. I mean, I can compare clear, you know, two ends of the spectrum, a nicotine, you know, basically a flavored nicotine ban in Denver to forcing EVs upon Dan. Either way, it doesn’t work out the way they wanted it to.
SPEAKER 07 :
And like you said, kids are going to smoke if they’re going to smoke. Instead of forcing a law, if they don’t want kids to smoke cigarettes, then they need to get into psychology of why kids think they need to smoke cigarettes and address the issue why. Making a law isn’t going to solve the issue of them smoking or not smoking. So there’s a reason why people smoke.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
So… So address that. You’re right. This drug thing, it’s great that we’re attacking the cartels, but we need to get to the root of the problem of why people do drugs. And it’s a lot more psychological than it is they just want to get high. You’re right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right. No, you are right, Dan. Absolutely. And again, as always, like with prohibition, which again, I realize that there were a lot of conservatives and Christians and so on that were involved in that as well. That one was a complete nosedive. What a disaster that was, Dan.
SPEAKER 07 :
It was. It just created the mafia is what it did.
SPEAKER 03 :
And NASCAR.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. So, anyway, I think I’m going to lose you.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, no, Dan, I appreciate it. You’re good. Nope, nope, thank you very much. I always appreciate the phone call. Yeah, again, folks, government, you would think by now, after all of these years, that they would go back and look at, okay, these are the things that we tried to force on people, didn’t pan out. In case of prohibition, had to go back and reverse things because that didn’t pan out so well. In fact, all we did was create more criminals, and, of course, NASCAR came out of that and so on. And at the end of the day— Didn’t turn out nearly as well as they thought it was going to, even for a lot of the quote-unquote churchgoers, which a lot of those were hypocrites at the time, but that’s a whole other conversation for probably another day. At the end of the day, didn’t do anything. In fact, probably made more people drink than might have anyways if they’d have just left it alone. And that’s just the way things work. On the EV thing, I know I’ve said it plenty of times, but it’s true. If they would have just let the free market do its thing, had the manufacturers create ads that really showed people the benefits of owning them and so on, if they would have just let things run their course, it’d be a lot better off than it is right now. And in turn, they darn near ruined… in my opinion, a really great product because of trying to force it upon people. Will it recover? That’s a conversation for another day. All right, veteran windows and doors, let’s save you money on windows and doors. With this cold weather, you might be thinking, man, I sure got a drafty house right now. Fix that. Get windows and doors direct from the manufacturer to you, therefore saving you a ton of money. That’s what Dave can do. Veteran windows and doors. Find him at klzradio.com.
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Suck it up, buttercup. Back to Rush to Reason.
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All right, that is wrapping things up today, this fine Monday, which the weather didn’t turn out to be so great here this evening. But, hey, that’s just Colorado. And I got a note from Dave Hart that I guess out east, southeast of town, had some hail here in this storm that just rolled through here. remind you all, if you have any hail damage, things like that, make sure you call Dave before you do anything else. Do not call your insurance agent and or adjuster. Call Dave first. Make sure things are dialed in before you decide to do anything else. You can always find Dave. Just go to any of my websites, RushToReason.com, though you’ll find him there, Roof Savers of Colorado. Guys, have a great night. Be safe out there. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
