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As geopolitical tensions rise, this episode also explores international politics focusing on Iran’s alleged advancement in nuclear capabilities. The speculation on Israel’s strategic responses adds layers to the already complex international scene. Join John Rush and Andy Pate as they dissect these pressing issues, weaving through discussions about how energy policies have been shaping global politics and what it means for future international relationships.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, of course, and we’re trying to get our special guest on with us. Larry Behrens is with us on an occasional basis, so Charlie’s trying to get him rounded up. If he makes it, fine. If not, we’ll continue on regardless, because that’s what we do.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, going on from what we were talking about, unless Larry comes on, quick question. James Carville, Bill Maher, John Fetterman. Explain them to me. Explain what they’re going through right now with their party.
SPEAKER 04 :
They are the same thing you and I have been doing in Colorado the past two years when it comes to the complaining of their leadership and the direction their party is headed. Yes. Because they know it’s a no-win situation for them if they keep going down that path.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re literally the John and Andes of their party. We can talk more about that once we get done with Larry. But that’s a great conversation we can get into in a moment.
SPEAKER 16 :
Larry, welcome.
SPEAKER 04 :
How are you?
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m doing great on this Tuesday. It’s Tuesday, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Tuesday. It is Tuesday. Absolutely. Power of the future. Larry, appreciate you very much. You’ve been here many, many times. And we talked a moment ago. Actually, we were talking to another guest as we were ending the last hour. We were talking about Bernie Sanders and AOC and some things that are going on on the left. But Bernie Sanders, he clapped back to Brett Baier’s question about flying private versus commercial as his preferred travel method.
SPEAKER 16 :
uh during his whole you know oligarchy tour i guess you would call it larry absolutely and he is not apologizing and he’s never really apologized for it he’s done what those mile high marxists like john kerry always just saying i’m more special than the rest of you quit asking questions yeah why does it peons why does it matter leave me alone
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, and he made a good point in that look at my schedule. I’ve got to hit so many places. If I had to do that with, you know, obviously, if I had to do that with not using private jets, commercial, I wouldn’t be able to. I wouldn’t be able to make it. But you know what? It’s like, hey, you know what? A lot of people are busy. Right. Everybody else is busy, Larry. How come we can’t fly in private jets? And if we do, you’ll say we’re destroying the planet.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and that’s just it. Let’s be clear. I don’t promote anybody flying a private jet. Me neither. But what I do promote… Is you telling me I’ve got to get rid of my gas stove and my gas-powered car for my way of life? Well, you’re doing it, and that’s exactly what Bernie has done. He has said for years that there is a climate emergency. In fact, he’s been in favor of declaring it a climate emergency. And I don’t know if in that declaration, if he were president, that people would be allowed to fly private, but apparently he would. And so it is that massive, it’s that Grand Canyon disconnect. between what they say is an emergency and how they’re acting. I can tell you when I’m in an emergency, I act much differently than I do if things are just status quo.
SPEAKER 08 :
Larry, you’re just an oligarch. Admit it. I am. I am.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s the nicest thing anyone’s ever called me. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 04 :
But, you know, what’s that old saying? You know, what’s best for it’s best for the not for me. You know, that’s how they justify you not having your own gas stove and gas dryer and things along those lines. And, you know, I do think and we talked about this last hour, Larry. I do think that some of this is starting to backfire on the left, that radicalism and this whole, you know, this whole idea that, well. I can go do it. I can travel private. You shouldn’t, though. In fact, you shouldn’t even have a gas-powered car. You should have an electric car. You shouldn’t be able to do this. You shouldn’t be able to do that. I think not all. There’s some hardcore lefties that believe in all that nonsense, and they’re on Bernie’s side. But there’s a lot of folks in the middle that are looking at that saying, wait a minute, timeout. This doesn’t make any sense. How can it be okay for you, but yet I can’t have my gas stove anymore?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and that’s just it. And you raise a great point. And I would like to call them out right now. I mean, if there’s a Colorado chapter of the Sierra Club or the Natural Resources Defense Council, where the heck are you guys? Where the heck are you guys who constantly tell us, keep it in the ground, the sky is falling, we have no time to act. I mean, you guys are the ones putting the countdown clock saying we should be having kids and every other thing that they’re doing. And yet they’re awful quiet when their high priest of the climate cult is flying around adding more carbon than the average American family does in half a decade. I mean, Bernie Sanders so far, just so far, has flown so much that is the equivalent of you or I taking an SUV and driving around the world at the equator more than six times. And that’s just for this one tour.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. Wow. And you could start stacking up all of the other individuals like Bernie, a lot of the Hollywood actors and actresses and so on to where, you know, they think, you know, the Mark Cubans of the world, even though they’ll get on that same bandwagon, you know, and say, well, it’s OK for me, but not for thee. But at the end of the day, Larry, you’re exactly right. And again, I do think and I could be wrong, but I do think there’s a lot of folks out there, voters especially, that are looking some of this saying, wait a minute. You guys are all worried about this climate crisis, and yet you’re running around like there isn’t one. Is there really one, or is there not one?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and that’s just it. If there’s an emergency, how come you’re not acting like it? I know all your buddies that are showing up for your little tours… and you’re a little, I don’t really want to be president, but let’s act like I’m trying to run for president campaign, they would love to see you on Zoom. I mean, that was good enough for my kids to go to school for over a year. Why isn’t it good enough for you to yell at your supporters and talk about the evil excesses of capitalism? And that is just it with my high Marxism. I mean, again, I have not seen the part that is most stunning is not necessarily the hypocrisy. Bernie’s always been a raging hypocrite. Good point. Americans are looking at it and saying, oh, that is absolutely hypocritical. What is amazing to me is the absolute stunning silence on the left. The stunning silence that says, you guys are supposed to really care about this, aren’t you? You guys are going to raise money for the midterms and say that climate is an important issue? But you’re going to keep your mouth shut, right, when the high priest of the climate church is flying around in private jets.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, it’s amazing, too. They don’t just do it with people. They do it with countries because they don’t hold Bernie or AOC to any kind of standards. They also don’t hold their beloved China to any kind of standards. I mean, if you want to talk about greenhouse emissions, my goodness. And that’s exactly it.
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, China has built more coal plants than any other nation over the past 20-plus years. And when we’re talking about President Trump working to unleash red tape, we see the environmental groups here lose their mind. Do you really think the Chinese Communist Party is worried about any environmental assessment study? before they open up another coal plant so that they can beat us in AI, so that they can make more weapons at a potential invasion of Taiwan? No, China is not worried about any of that, but it is just awful convenient that groups here in the United States are trying to stymie our efforts here at unleashing American energy, and it’s just awful convenient that that also benefits China. I’m sure there’s no money connection there.
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Oh, no!
SPEAKER 16 :
In the last few years, they’ve taught us, oh, that’s all conspiracy theory talk. And so that is probably the next thing that needs to be investigated, for sure.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, they don’t care what happens on that part of the planet, even though we’re all saving Mother Earth. Look, it comes down to this, Larry. They hate America. They want Americans to have less happiness. They want us to have less stuff. They want us to have less freedom. They want us to have less because they’re angry that we have more and they resent us for it. That’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
I totally agree. And I can take you one step more sinister than that. I mean, imagine for a moment if you are a Chinese Communist Party and you send some money to this company, and then that company sends it to a nonprofit outside the United States, and then that money ends up at a nonprofit in the United States, and you’re protesting some pipeline. You’re protesting some oil rigs getting started. You’re protesting some coal plant. And lo and behold, who does that benefit? That benefits the people who exchanged money five hands ago because they know that if we don’t embrace our energy, we are weaker for it.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s exactly right. Larry, how do folks find you, sir? They can hang out at PowerOfTheFuture.com.
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Always appreciate talking with you guys.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, really quick, I should throw this in, and this is probably a deeper topic we can get into. We’ll do this here probably in, oh, I don’t know, in a day or two, kind of see how things pan out. There are rumors floating around now how CNN would have this and nobody else would, that Israel is gearing up to target Iran’s nuclear facilities and basically take them out.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, those rumors have circulated for quite some time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
But that doesn’t mean they’re not about to. You never know. Look, they need to because Iran is trying to drag out the negotiation process. Look, look at it from their point of view for just a moment. If you’re Iran… Having a nuke gives you immense leverage.
SPEAKER 04 :
It changes everything, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re now a superpower.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, because once you have a nuke, you have a lot of nukes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. And they’re also trying to develop the capacity to deliver those nukes. Right, to launch them.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And so, look, from their point of view… to give up their nuclear program would be very, very foolish in a lot of ways. I still think on balance it’s the wise thing to do because they could have a prosperous, wonderful nation.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they don’t want that.
SPEAKER 08 :
But they don’t want that.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they want to destroy the Jews. And anybody else that gets in their way, Andy. Right. Right. They want to kill the Jews. Well, and let’s not forget that even inside of Muslim countries, for example, they and, for example, Saudi Arabia don’t really see eye to eye. No, they do not. Believe it or not, even though they’re Arab nations, they don’t like one another.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. There are different, let’s say, sects and levels of Islam. Correct. Okay. I mean, the Arabs… They want to make money. Well, it’s kind of like, think of it this way.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, they seem to worship money more than anything. It’s not so much this way anymore, but at one time, Ireland, for example, there was a big rift between Catholics and Protestants. Right. Even though both quote-unquote believers, very different in the way they looked at things in regards to that belief. Same thing happens inside of the Muslim world. Very much the same, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Very much the same. And obviously the 9-11 terrorists, the Saudis for the most part. So this is no absolute thing, but that was then, this is now, and let’s face it, the world sponsor of terror is Iran. Right. Okay. And that’s who we’re dealing with.
SPEAKER 04 :
So really quick, it kind of makes you wonder.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
And there’s more to the tour that Trump just did than just that end of things. But you’ve got to also wonder if behind closed doors there wasn’t some, hey, guess what, guys? If, in fact, this happens. Just know that there’s a reason for it, and I think you guys would all agree, we can’t let, especially Saudi Arabia, we can’t let them have nukes. So the reality is they’re not agreeing to slow anything down. We may very well have to take some action even through Israel. We’re not going to claim any of this, but at the end of the day, the reality is we’ve got to get something done to stop this. You guys can’t do it directly. We can’t do it directly. Israel can. We can let them be the fall guy, but at the end of the day, we need nothing else happening if that, in fact, does happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, all Israel needs is for us to protect them after they do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. But here’s the big thing, though. Anyway, do you think that could be some of those conversations that went on?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, but I want to add one. Okay. I believe that Trump is frustrated. He’s frustrated that Iran is trying to drag this out for obvious reasons. So what does he do? He says, I want Israel to make a statement or let it out that they’re getting ready to go in.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can’t disagree with that. That’s leverage. I can’t disagree with that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Donald Trump, everything is about leverage. Always. He always thinks about leverage.
SPEAKER 04 :
He is the anti-George Bush. Can you do something for me here?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, B.B.?
SPEAKER 04 :
I need something from you. B.B., buddy. Yeah, can you do this for me?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
And, of course, he’s like, yeah, in a heartbeat.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, just leak it out. Leak it out that you’re ready to go in, you’re ready to take them out. Okay? Which we’ve already known forever, but leak it out that it’s imminent. Why leverage?
SPEAKER 04 :
Because you got to get this thing shut down. And keep in mind, folks, those of you that are on the left, this wouldn’t be going on if Obama and Biden hadn’t allowed Iran to do what Iran does. Trump left him broke. You had eight years of Obama. You had four years of Biden. They’ve had four years under Biden to rebuild some things that frankly shouldn’t have ever been allowed to be rebuilt in the first place.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I saw a Democrat on, I think it was on Fox, blaming Trump and saying, look at how close Iran is now to a nuclear weapon. What? She was serious.
SPEAKER 04 :
Did that all happen in five months, Andy? Yeah, I’m like, did you see the last four years? Well, first of all, do you not understand how this works? You can’t do this in four to five months. These are things that take a long time to get things rolling along. I’m not a nuclear engineer by any means, Andy, but I realize that it doesn’t happen overnight.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I also realize you can’t do it when you’re broke. And Trump left them broke.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that’s true, too.
SPEAKER 08 :
Four and a half years ago, Biden opened things up again, opened up the spigot. Now they’ve got the money.
SPEAKER 04 :
One other thing along those lines, too, that makes you wonder, is there more at play here than what we’re all being told? OPEC didn’t need to raise production on a daily basis like they did, unless something’s going to happen where you knock out about 2 million barrels a day, which is about what Iran produces. Follow me? Yeah, I do. That’d be interesting. So is there a reason for some of what they did along those lines?
SPEAKER 08 :
So they’re jumping theirs up in expectation that we are going to knock out Iran.
SPEAKER 04 :
That there may be something going on there. It’s possible. Because otherwise, why do it?
SPEAKER 08 :
OPEC was also, let’s face it, also doing a favor for America because we want Russia to get poor again.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s true, too. There could be several things at play here.
SPEAKER 08 :
By the way, what about the Russian war machine? I mean, they’ve got to be going broke right now with oil being where it is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, because they just took a bunch of money out of their pocket. Oh. A ton of money out of their pocket. That’s all their money. Right. That’s all it comes from for the most part.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. So the Russian war machine, you know, these people are saying, well, Putin, now he’s willing to negotiate maybe, and now he says he won’t. Look, folks, he’s getting more and more willing to negotiate because of oil.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, the pocketbook’s less.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
There’s less funding. There’s less money there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. You’ve got to fund this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. It’s a war machine. Yeah, these things don’t happen for free, as we all know.
SPEAKER 08 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would hope people would know that. You don’t put troops out. You don’t put bombs out. You don’t put ammunition out. You don’t put troop carriers and tanks and all the other things that they’re using on a daily basis, airplanes and so on. And you don’t do all of that for free.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, he can’t do this on $60 oil. He can’t just keep selling oil to China, which he does probably at a discount.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because remember, it’s not even $60, because the sanctions, he’s not even $60. It’s probably $40. It’s not $60. No, it isn’t. That’s what oil’s at, but that’s not what Russia’s selling at.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, especially not. I am guaranteeing that China’s getting a deal.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s at least $40 a barrel or less. Absolutely, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t know if it can be that low.
SPEAKER 04 :
You think so? Oh, yeah. Okay. I’m guessing so. It’s an easy 30% to 40% discount. Otherwise, why buy it there? If it’s not discounted, why buy it, Andy? Well, they are allies now. Yeah, but they also understand that they could buy it anywhere at the rack price. Why would you have to go there to buy it?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, you would want a discount from Russia.
SPEAKER 04 :
You want to squeeze them. Well, yeah, because technically you’re not supposed to be buying it at all.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but China doesn’t care about technically.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know, but technically you’re not supposed to be. So what they’re coming with them is saying, listen, we’re at a risk here buying this from you. We want a discount. That’s what you would say. That’s what I would say. And they are getting one. Right. I guarantee it. I just don’t know how much it won.
SPEAKER 08 :
Bottom line, Russia can’t keep this up. Oil’s too cheap.
SPEAKER 04 :
Especially now. Keep in mind, folks, it’s down from when Trump took over $20 a barrel, roughly. Right. Pretty close to $20 a barrel. It was $80, $85 a barrel or so. I’d have to go back and look at the history, but that’s pretty close to what it was. It’s $60, I don’t know, I checked this morning, it was $62, $63 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, but one of the Democrats on the Hill, was it today or yesterday, you know, grilling… $62.56 a barrel today. Okay. Grilling Rubio actually said that Trump’s actions have… Okay, I’m trying to put this. She actually said that Trump’s actions have prolonged the war in Ukraine and Russia because they have emboldened Putin. He has emboldened Putin so Putin doesn’t have to negotiate now. And I’m like, what just happened the entire Biden presidency? What did Biden do to slow down this war to bring it to a close? So she was complaining and saying that Trump was prolonging the war. I think this was Shaheen prolonging the war by emboldening Putin.
SPEAKER 04 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, these people are nuts. These people are nuts.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I did look it up. I wasn’t too far off. Oil on Inauguration Day, and keep in mind it dropped a little even before then, from when the election was until then. In anticipation of Trump. Whether you’re looking at WTI or Brent, right around $77, $78 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
So I wasn’t too far off.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oil went down $15. What does that do to the Russian war machine?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it takes a big chunk of money out of it. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely, Andy. Because keep in mind, Russia doesn’t, they don’t have the same, even though their costs per barrel are less than what ours are, they’re not the Saudis. They’re not producing oil at $6 a barrel. No. It doesn’t come out of the ground like it does over there in the desert. Not the same. So they have a higher cost of getting that out of the ground than what the Saudis do, the Middle East does.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s amazing how cheap they can get it. It just bubbles up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my gosh. Stick a rod in the ground and it… Stick a tube in the ground and it comes out. I know, it’s amazing. I mean, darn near. Well, which we had at this… We had places in America that were like that at one time as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not quite like that, but… West Texas is still somewhat like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, we had places in the south that very much you could still… Right. You know, you could find oil seeping up out of the ground all by itself. Well, the…
SPEAKER 08 :
Off the coast of California.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 08 :
We could still do it today.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m telling you what, there’s so much oil there. Yes, yes. There’s parts of the Gulf of Mexico or Gulf of, sorry, America where it’s doing that. Comes up out of the bottom just like that.
SPEAKER 08 :
I am so angry, and I mean enraged, at California. for not drilling for their oil off their coastline. It is unbelievable how much energy they’re denying the rest of the country and how much export. I mean, really, it would be unbelievable what we could do in exporting energy through California. And look what it would do for their tax base.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, I just did some math because it’s not super well known what China pays for oil from Russia. But I did some math on what they were paying in 2023.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it was roughly $15 to $20 a barrel less than the regular rate everybody else would be paying. So I wasn’t too far off.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not too far off.
SPEAKER 04 :
So it’s got to be, they’re probably right now paying $40, $45 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I mean, if it was $15 less then, but that’s of a greater percentage.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure, so it could be $50 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
So it’d probably be about $12 less now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Still less.
SPEAKER 08 :
Still $48. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s dirt cheap. $48 to $50 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which takes a big chunk. Keep in mind, they were paying about $70 a barrel during the height of things. So, you know, keep in mind that that’s a big discount for Russia is my point.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, speaking of cheap oil, I got an article here. It says Memorial Day is now set for the lowest gas prices in over 20 years. I don’t know if it’ll actually be quite that low, but they’re low. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re dropping.
SPEAKER 08 :
How popular is our president getting?
SPEAKER 04 :
When you can start lowering everyday prices that people spend money on, gas, groceries, things along those lines, energy, their gas and light bill and so on, yeah, you become really popular, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Even if you don’t like the guy, you start becoming more popular. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
He even has unions liking him because he’s bringing jobs back.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, all of the tariff stuff we talked about even with Joe earlier in the program talking about that end of things, tariffs and so on, and what that actually does for us.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, he is becoming a superpower unto himself. This is incredible. I have never seen a president be this dominant. I really haven’t. Obama was in a lot of ways because his personality… Yeah, but not economically he wasn’t. No, economically he was terrible.
SPEAKER 04 :
He was the opposite.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, he was dominant in the damage he did, obviously.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that’s a good way of saying it.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, the Medicaid expansion through Obamacare has destroyed our economy. Great way of saying it. But look, Trump, what he is doing right now, remaking the entire world trade map so that we can actually sell stuff to people around the world. It had gotten to where we couldn’t sell anything anymore, John. I mean, a little bit, but so little. We couldn’t sell anything anymore, and now we’re going to get to sell things again. That’s incredible. Shutting down the border entirely is massively popular, and when the big, beautiful bill goes through, and it will, we’re going to have the money to complete the wall. Okay, so you complete the wall, you redo the trade deals, you lower the price of gas, which lowers the price of food as well, right? And a lot of other products. My goodness, I cannot begin to think how popular he’s going to be. And then you stake out in positions like this. There are two genders. And all the normals look at you and say, thank you. Yes, there are.
SPEAKER 04 :
So remember what I was saying earlier about interest rates around the world, and if we can get the spread to be large enough, it will actually help our rates? Right. Just as an example, really quick, and Japan’s, of course, has been coming up, but they’re only at 0.5%. Switzerland, 0.25%. Singapore, 2.1%. The Euro area, 2.4%. Canada, 2.75%. South Korea, 2.75%. China, 3%. And you never know about theirs. But Australia, 3.8%. The United Kingdom is the closest to us as far as countries that need investment money. They’re at 4.25%. We’re at 4.5%. Saudi Arabia, 5%, but they don’t need anybody’s investment money. Indonesia, 5.75%. India, 6%. South Africa, 7.5%. Again, now you start going down in countries that, frankly, nobody’s going to invest in anyways. Russia, for example, is 21%. Nobody’s going to invest in Russia. So the reality is those other key countries that I was just talking about, when you start getting a larger spread, It enables the Fed then to actually look at ours and lower prices, knowing people are still going to buy our debt because the spread is there and they just will.
SPEAKER 08 :
But Trump is his own worst enemy on this. And I’m not saying he’s doing anything dumb. I mean, his success is going to drive an economic boom that is going to keep the Fed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but it’s going to drive it here, not in other countries, which is a good thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
I understand that. But we have a dumb Fed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not when it comes to things I just mentioned, because they also know that our debt load is huge. Yes. And if you can start reducing some of our own budgets by having less debt load, they will do that. Yes, they will. Will they, though? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
But they’re so political, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, they will. They will.
SPEAKER 08 :
They need to lower rates.
SPEAKER 04 :
They will.
SPEAKER 08 :
Will they lower rates even with an economic… Well, they should have already done it by now.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s a whole other conversation. I know they should have, but that’s what I mean. General Powell’s being stingy.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s what I don’t understand. They should have done it by now, and they haven’t, so I worry, will they?
SPEAKER 04 :
Because they had no faith in Trump’s strategy regarding tariffs. That’s why.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so when they start seeing deals getting inked, and they will… That will change things. Then they’ll be… So our prosperity will get them to lower rates.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which is one of their key things they keep looking at, as you know. It won’t be there. The inflation won’t be there. It’ll actually be, in some cases, the other way. Deflation. Yeah, not necessarily deflation, but it’ll level off and you’ll see economic growth and so on. And that’s some of what they’ll look at.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m still hoping to see – look, I think it’s going to be different in various sectors. I’ve said this all along. We said from the start we’re never going to see this massive inflation. They’re predicting it’s not going to happen. We said that. It didn’t happen, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Somebody also said prices aren’t dropping fast enough. We’re still paying more than $3 a gallon. for gasoline what’s up with that well i can tell you that especially here in colorado and in other places the refineries switch over there’s different blends of fuel they do from winter to summer there’s maintenance it’s usually done in the springtime on refineries as those refineries come back online and you start seeing more production you’ll actually start seeing the price of gasoline even come down more so than what it already has so there’s your answer also at this time of year every year you have a jump in domestic demand Well, because of Memorial Day and then you start to see things even slip afterwards. But, you know, I had this long conversation the other day with Richard talking about, you know, refineries and different things along those lines. And here’s the reality, folks, and I’m trying to be as honest as I can. This isn’t even political. If you’re an oil company and you’re looking at refineries and you’re thinking to yourself, you know – EVs are getting a little stronger. Whether government mandates it or not, people are buying them. The demand for oil actually isn’t what it used to be. You’re starting to see a worldwide drop in demand, frankly. You might even see more of that demand continue to drop. Yes, we’re still going to need oil for a lot of the things that we consume and do. on a daily basis, not just driving, but plastics, clothing, on down the line we go, yes, there’s still going to be a demand. There’s never going to be that part of it going away completely. But if the demand is going to continue to drop, why would I, Andy, and you and I, if we were owners of an oil company, why would we go invest billions of dollars and take five to ten years to build a refinery, knowing that in ten years that refinery might not even be able to pay for itself?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 04 :
You wouldn’t is the answer.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, you wouldn’t. On the other hand, green energy is also suffering huge setbacks, and that could be a problem.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but what I mean by this, and I said this years ago even in the car end of things, having nothing to do even with EVs and so on, cars have naturally become more efficient, more efficient, more efficient, even trucks. There’s a lot of trucks running around today that will get 20 miles to the gallon where it used to be 10 miles to the gallon or 15 miles to the gallon. So just the amount of fuel needed is less than what it was because of some of those factors as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and also the international – look, when you’re setting the price of oil, you’re doing it internationally, and that includes the massive market of China. China used to have roaring demand for oil.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
It has gone down dramatically. Why? They’ve wrecked their economy. Is that going to turn around in the next year? No, it is not.
SPEAKER 04 :
And keep in mind, that’s the oil side. I’m talking more of the refining side because, remember, we’ve got finished product versus oil.
SPEAKER 08 :
But you’re not going to refine if you don’t have more oil.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, but my point on the – the question was why are we not seeing prices drop on the gallon of gasoline in the U.S. like we should be, especially here in Colorado? Because just because oil comes down, it’s not always a direct relation because we still have to refine said product. And we have limited capacity to do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
True. And it’s also a lagging indicator.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. And again, gas comes down quite a ways after oil comes down. And folks keep saying, we need more refiners and we need more refineries. And at one time, I was one of those that would say the same thing. Although, if you look at the investment side of oil companies and what it takes to actually build a refinery, keep it, maintain it, all of what you have to go to run through that, all of the hassle factor of doing that, at the end of the day, why would you? Knowing that we may not even need more refined product than we actually have today. Keep in mind, for all of you listening, this is something that Trump is, Charlie and I were talking about this yesterday. This is where Trump, by the way, is coming along saying, hey, guys, guess what? We want to incentivize you all to start having kids again because our population isn’t growing. We’re not going to have the same demand on down the road if we don’t keep adding to our population by you guys having kids. So he’s incentivizing people to have kids.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I don’t like that either. Sorry.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is what it is.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know, but I don’t like it.
SPEAKER 04 :
But his point is he understands we need more people.
SPEAKER 08 :
I get that, but, you know, no. I don’t think that we should be paying people to have kids.
SPEAKER 04 :
We always have. It’s not going to change. We always have.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s disgusting.
SPEAKER 04 :
We’ve never done it any other way, and we will continue to do so.
SPEAKER 08 :
My taxes already pay for their schools.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t have kids. But it’s not going to change, Andy. It is one of those things.
SPEAKER 08 :
They doubled the child tax credit. This is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they’re now going to give you, I think, is it $1,000, Charlie? Trump wants to give another $1,000, I think, per kids.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it’ll be put in an investment account. You can actually invest it. Right, right. The one part of that I actually like is it’ll train kids into being grubby little capitalists like me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Which I like. Yeah, I like that, too. I mean, in defense of Trump, he’s not saying we need more people, so let’s immigrate more. No, he’s saying, go have more kids. Those of you that already live here, go have more kids.
SPEAKER 08 :
Will kindergartens be ringing with the sounds of kids screaming buy and sell? Well, I did, but I don’t know about kids today.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but you were strange. I know. I was a weird kid. Yeah. I don’t know. That’s a great question today. Kids, this is a whole other discussion. My stocks are going down. We talked a little bit about this yesterday as far as the trades and all that go. The reality, Andy, is, yeah, we should be teaching some of that at an earlier age and quit worrying about teaching kids whether they’re in the wrong body and be teaching them how do they put a buck in their wallet.
SPEAKER 08 :
No more investing during nap time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Seriously. I mean, honestly, Andy, we need to be focused on that, not you’re in the wrong body.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, some of the nonsense that we get into is utter nonsense.
SPEAKER 08 :
And it’s both, by the way, even my views. Okay, I’m a born again right wing evangelical Christian. Do kids need to know that to make it in the free market?
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, then don’t, I don’t shove my views on kindergartners. Why are you shoving yours?
SPEAKER 04 :
They shouldn’t.
SPEAKER 08 :
Learning new genders doesn’t help them get a job.
SPEAKER 04 :
It does not, Andy. It actually makes it worse. Yes, it does. Because now they’re all focused on the wrong things, not the things they should be to get a job. Exactly. You’re focused on all, literally all of the wrong things. You know, I could go down the path of even, I’ll be careful how I say this because I don’t want to be too rude to certain individuals, but when you go in to apply for a job. Yeah. and that employer is looking at you, prospective employer is looking at you, and they can read right through you and know, wait a minute, this guy’s more concerned about being woke and using the right pronouns, and I’ve got to make sure I call him he, she, or whatever. You don’t want to hire him. I’ve got to make sure I’m doing all that correctly. The first thing they look at is, I can hire somebody else and not have this hassle.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I don’t want to put myself under a microscope by hiring this person. So they don’t. And also, this person is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that too. They’re a walking lawsuit on legs. So why would I go down that path as an employer?
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t want to buy it. They’re not going to want to.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t want to hire that.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. So they don’t. So my point earlier was, yes, you’re not teaching these kids anything. You’re actually going to make it worse for them in the job market.
SPEAKER 08 :
This is what really angers me, and then we’ll go to break, but this is what angers me, John. Why are we teaching sex in schools at all? I mean, seriously, what is the value to teaching sex to kids?
SPEAKER 04 :
There isn’t any. Sorry, I’m moving the shades.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, no, no, that’s okay. I mean, I’m pretty sure, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that the human race procreated before we taught sex in schools.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah, absolutely, Andy. We didn’t miss anything.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m pretty sure sex was still fun for people before we taught sex in schools. And I’m not even talking about gender.
SPEAKER 04 :
Human nature hasn’t missed a beat, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
talking about the the bias stuff gender studies and so i’m just i’m just talking about teaching sex okay why why do they need to hear that what is what is learning and and i’ve always asked people this how many teenagers out there are so lame that they will say this i need the government to teach me about sex none otherwise i got no hope
SPEAKER 04 :
None. That’s probably not something you’d say at a dating site. Most kids would prefer to not have any of that in school, period.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. It is of no value. No value whatsoever. You’re right. It is only there for one reason and one reason only, and that is to teach agenda from one side.
SPEAKER 04 :
You would be better off, for all of those kids that you are now making mandatory to go to sex education, you would be better off having a mandatory financial class that they go to, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
That actually affects their life.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. That actually has something to do with succeeding in the free market. What is compounding interest? What is compounding interest when it comes to saving? What is it when it comes to buying? What is a loan payment do? How do you buy a house? What’s a mortgage? Not that they have checkbooks anymore, but how does that part of it work?
SPEAKER 08 :
John, how about this one? How do you change your oil?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that too. That’s another one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. But seriously, how do you work with your hands? How do you, how do you fix this? How do you do that? We should be doing that instead of sex. How do you handle your money? How do you, how do you get by in life? What we got is a bunch of kids who don’t know what gender they are and they can’t fix it and they can’t change a tire.
SPEAKER 04 :
No. Really quick on the sex ed end of, or on, on that end of things. We got time. We can squeeze some more in here and do a combined break. Um, There’s been several reports of late because we’re getting towards the end of the school year, and a lot of different events are on track, especially, and things like that. And there’s been reports, of course, of transgender boys competing in girls’ sports and actually winning the prize.
SPEAKER 08 :
I always bet money on them.
SPEAKER 04 :
I do well. You might as well because they’re going to be the winner. And the reality is, you know, you’ve got girls now that are actually trying to, you know, protest and do different things and even stand up on the podium where they should be because they were actually the real winner of the meet. So here’s my point with all that. We won’t allow kids to get tattoos unless there’s, of course, some sort of parental agreement or they’ve got to be 18 years of age. We won’t let them drink unless they’re 21 years of age. There’s all sorts of things that we don’t let kids do until they’re a certain age, correct? Correct. So why is it legal to cut their body parts off and do something else different prior to that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, because they’re totally mature and they’re ready for that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Unbelievable, Andy. Again, you talk about a law that needs to be pushed from the federal level down. It’s exactly that. No kid can have anything done to their genitalia, period, unless it’s a medically required thing because of a birth deformity or something along those lines. But outside of that, if you’re just transitioning, no body parts will be changed, period, until they’re 18 years of age plus. Why can’t we have a law like that?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think we need one real quick here. I’ll ask you this, and we’ll go to break. John, which thing will affect you the rest of your life, guaranteed? Cutting off a part of your body or owning a gun? But which thing does the left want to prevent?
SPEAKER 04 :
They want to prevent the gun, not you cutting off your whatever.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Your breasts, your wee-woe, your whatever. Stupid, Andy. Unbelievable. No, this is absolute lunacy. They’ll let you alter.
SPEAKER 08 :
They’ll let a kid alter their body, but they’ll freak out if an 18-year-old has a right to defend themselves.
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SPEAKER 03 :
It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we are back. Jerry and Greeley, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, I rarely get to listen this time of day because of my work schedule. Sure, sure, sure. So have you ever talked to Aaron Lee of Protect Kids Colorado?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my God. I’d have to go back through my notes and see. I interview so many different people. That name sounds familiar.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, she’s the mother of the girl that was being indoctrinated into the transsexualism in Wellington a few years ago. And thank God she and her husband fought back, and they made a movie about it called Art Club. And now there’s an ongoing lawsuit. Anyway, she’s now the head of a group called Protect Kids Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 10 :
Boy, they’re great. But you were talking about sexual education, so to speak. And my take on it is that it’s no longer the birds and the bees, basic biology. It’s about introducing the degeneracy and the perversion.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. You’re right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that’s all part of, really, the long march through the institutions, the cultural Marxism. And, you know, like Marx said it clearly. He said, all that exists deserves to be destroyed. They wanted to tear down all of the safe, healthy, functioning institutions. in a decent society to replace it with communism. And the sacredness of marriage, the family, just basic Judeo-Christian morality regarding sexuality, that’s just another thing they want to destroy. to tear down a functioning society to replace it with their view of utopia. That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, well, you tear down absolutes so that people will then rely upon the government.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Well, and, you know, like Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals, he says in there, you know, advising commie revolutionaries, Remember, the issue is never the issue, so the reason that they put forth for a certain social change isn’t the real long-term underlying goal. Correct. It’s just a front. Yep, that’s right, Jerry. There’s a fantastic book called Next Generation Marxism by Catherine Gorka and Mike Gonzalez at the Heritage Foundation, and it goes into this in fantastic detail. Okay. well worthwhile, but if I could real quickly, I’m a few years overdue on this, but I wanted to give you a big thank you, because about maybe almost five years ago now, I heard you on Crawford, on the roundtable, and this was a period of time where the leftists really seemed to be ascendant, and they were exerting tremendous societal pressure, and a lot of I noticed a lot of conservative people were cowering in some ways, and they were afraid to challenge the new strength that the commies seem to be displaying in the wake of the George Floyd fiasco. But anyway, I heard you on Roundtable one time, and you were talking about the transsexual movement. And just to paraphrase, you boldly said you weren’t going to have it, and you didn’t care who liked it, and you were going to stand by your values, period. And you said it so eloquently and so bravely, I cheered.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, thank you.
SPEAKER 10 :
So thank you for that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, Jerry. That means a lot. No, I appreciate it. You’re a great listener, and I appreciate you guys greatly, you especially. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jerry. I appreciate it. Jerry is a great guy, one of my first callers most every Saturday, not about this stuff but car questions and things like that. No, but he’s a great guy. He’s a great man. He sends me all sorts of different things that I can look up, like this recommendation of this book, by the way. And I will just tell you straight up that Jerry is a great man. He is looking out for the best interests of not only our state but the kids in this state, the politics in this state. Jerry is a great guy. We need more guys like him, more men like him. We sure do. Absolutely. He’s a fine, fine gentleman. So, Jerry, thank you. That means a lot. Anytime we get compliments like that, I am thrilled because some days, not all days, Andy, as you know, but there are some days where you just kind of wonder. Why are we doing this?
SPEAKER 08 :
I know. You look out over Colorado and you’re just like, are we just speaking into the wind?
SPEAKER 04 :
Are we making a difference?
SPEAKER 08 :
Is it just hopeless?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And we are. And we are making a difference. I do hear that from a lot of you from time to time. And I appreciate that greatly. And that, by the way, that’s whether we’re talking cars, whether we’re talking politics around the house. whatever, and I do appreciate that. You guys have really, really great, kind words for us. But, yeah, the whole – I’m going to go back just and kind of finish off with this, Andy. We’ve got all these laws regarding kids. They can’t smoke. They can’t do this. They can’t do that. You’re not supposed to go to a rated-R movie unless you’re 17 and blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER 08 :
We wall and fence them in everywhere but –
SPEAKER 04 :
but the transgender end of things, where if they’re in the wrong body, they can still cut off body parts and it’s all good.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s incredible.
SPEAKER 04 :
What a load of garbage, Andy, that we’re doing this. We will, mark my words on this one, we will, as a country… As medical providers, as parents that are encouraging this nonsense, you guys are going to come to Jesus at some point in time. You will pay the price. You will give an account for what you’re doing.
SPEAKER 08 :
We will look back on this time in shame.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, this is ridiculous. John, really quick here. I can claim to be anything that I’m not, and you’ll think I’m crazy. I can say I’m a Wimbledon champion, and you’ll say you’re crazy. I can say I’m 20 feet tall, you’ll say I’m crazy. But I can say that I’m a woman, and you have to say it’s okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
I have to bow to that. I can’t even say, no, Andy, you’re a man. Now I’m in trouble in the state of Colorado because I just misgendered you.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s insane.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Guys, have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
