John Rush opens Hour 3 with a warning about deceptive storm-chasing roofers and how signing one piece of paper could cost you your freedom to choose. Dave Hart of Roof Savers Colorado explains how to spot scams, how to avoid signing away your roof, and why it’s illegal (and dangerous) for companies to waive your deductible. Plus, John dives deep into Trump’s Liberation Day tariffs, the constitutional crisis of executive power, and the shocking way California’s rules affect your gas-powered future. He also warns Coloradans about Phil Weiser’s attempt to gut TABOR and what that means for your wallet.
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All right, we are back. Hour 3, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dave, what’s going on, sir? Living the dream, John. How are you doing today? Good. Dave Hart, Roof Savers of Colorado. And we’re in the stormy time of the year, as you know, Dave. We not only went through the last, I don’t know, 10 days or so. It’s still a little bit stormy out tonight. We are definitely not out of the woods yet. And what you know, because you’re the one always telling me, when these things happen and storms roll through, so do all of the quote-unquote storm chasers.
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Oh my goodness. It’s insane. You know, I live out in the Elizabeth area and we had a tornado last Sunday is about three miles north of my house. And I would say within two hours, it must have been 13, 14 people going up and down the neighborhoods. Wow. It’s crazy. Wow. Yeah, it’s just – it’s almost – I know we all got to make a living, and I get it, but it’s – Well, and you know what?
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m glad you say that. Yes, we do. Although the way that some of these other companies make their living, Dave, that’s what I wanted you to talk about, is not always above board. And what I mean by that, for all of you listening, in a lot of cases, these storm chasers will make you sign a paper saying, hey, you know – You’re basically making sure that if I get on the roof and fall off, your insurance is going to cover me and blah, blah, blah. Well, Dave, there’s more to it than that. That’s not exactly what you’re signing.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, 100%. And a lot of them will just basically flat out say, by signing this, you’re just giving me permission to get on your roof and look at it because that’s what your insurance company wants to see. The insurance company has no clue they’re even at the door. So it doesn’t really even hold up with the court of law, but they will make your life miserable if you go with somebody else after signing that
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, basically what you’re doing is signing an agreement with them that you’re not only going to have them get up there and look at your route, but whatever is needed, they’re now your guy. Yeah, 100%, completely. Yeah, which is crazy. You’re right. No, it’s just crazy. And, again, the reason I wanted you to talk about that, Dave, is because I think at times I say that and people think, oh, geez, John, no, that doesn’t – we’re now in 2025. That doesn’t happen anymore.
SPEAKER 15 :
I dealt with this on three customers last year alone. And we didn’t have that much hail last year. So it does happen. It happens a lot. It happens every year. It happens. People are like, hey, I don’t want to use this company. They’re not calling me back or they want my money now or whatever. And the first question is like, okay, well, did you sign something with them? Well, I did. Okay, well, here’s what’s going to happen or here’s what they’re going to try and do. But it does happen and it happens all the time. And it’s sad and it puts a lot of fear and intimidation into the customer. when they find out that they don’t want to use that company. So we try to do things differently. Yes, we are a roofing contractor. We have three different divisions, basically, replacing roofs or extending the life of commercial residential roofs. But we don’t even put a contract out there until we all agree on numbers. The insurance company has been out. That all makes sense that they’re paying what is needed to be paid for, paying fairly, whatever. And then we’ll sit down, we’ll go over the numbers, we’ll pick out your shingles, and then at that point you’ll sign a contract once you agree you want to move forward with us.
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Which is the way it ought to work, Dave. The reality is, unfortunately, in your world, a lot like the automotive world, there’s a lot of unscrupulous folk. that give the really good guys, because you’re not the only good guy out there. There’s other companies in town as well. We know that, Dave. You and I do. But the reality is those other companies give everybody a bad name at the end of the day. The other thing I wanted you to talk about as well, because in Colorado there’s a law against it, and that is a company coming along saying, we’ll absolve your deductible. We’ll take care of your deductible. That’s illegal.
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It’s 100% legal. And we all have a responsibility. I’m not a fan of the government coming and telling me what I can or can’t do. But the reality is when we sign our paperwork with our insurance, we agree that that deductible is our responsibility. And by not paying for it, we’re causing a lot of other issues that we’re dealing with within the insurance industry as a whole. And now people are, you know, the deductibles are getting a lot larger, so companies can’t. you know, absorb the whole thing, but they’re getting, you know, checks back in the mail, all kinds of different things. And there’s a way to help cover those costs legally, but that’s once the insurance company comes out and we can see what’s going on and, you know, what the customer, what the insurance company has available to work with, but they’re not going to cover the entire deductible. And, again, by waiving it, it is a law. It’s illegal to do that, and we have to follow the law. Whether we agree with it or not, we have to follow the law. So there’s a lot of craziness going out there. Some of the stuff that we’re seeing now, too, is homes that might have some really tiny, small hail damage. People are being forced into making claims and getting the insurance company to pay for them. Well, we don’t have to. We can treat a roof like that. We treat a lot of roofs that have hail damage. So there’s just a lot of crazy things going on out there. And it’s one of the things I just really wanted to mention is, like, Let’s have somebody like us look at that roof, and then we can discuss what’s in the customer’s best interest.
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Well, that was going to be my next question. I say this all the time, and I think I’m on the same page with you. Instead of them calling even their agent and getting an adjuster out and going through all of that, call you first. Let’s find out exactly what we’re up against. Let’s read the policy. You can read the policy, Dave, and know exactly what the deductible is. You can then compare that against here’s the damage we have. And, oh, by the way, it’s not even meeting your deductible. Dave, I know how insurance companies are. If that’s the situation, you’re best off not calling the insurance company. Even if you’re within a few hundred bucks of paying for it yourself versus turning it in, you’re better off not turning it in.
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100%. Yeah. And I’m dealing with the same situation. I have two houses, one I’m moving into in a few weeks, one I’m selling, and they both got hail damage. So I got to look at the numbers. It doesn’t make sense. But the reality is, this one I’m selling does, the new one, doesn’t make sense to do that. And the reality is, I may not. The road’s not that old. And it’s a large deductible. And I’m making a claim, and I might just write it out for a couple of years. So it I’ll treat it, of course, so that roof does not continue to deteriorate. Correct. But those are the types of things that we look at and figure out what makes the most sense time-wise, financially-wise, long-term. Do you want a claim out there when your policy renews? all that stuff we’ll look at and determine what makes sense, and then we have options one way or the other.
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And I’m glad you said that too, Dave, because the other thing that folks need to keep in mind, all of us, myself included, when you have a claim, some people think, well, I’ve paid money into this insurance company all these years. I deserve something back. Right. Right. Right. Every other insurance company will have access to that, even if you switch. So there’s some people thinking, Dave, well, I’ll get my claim paid by this company, and then I’ll just jump to company B next year, next month, whatever the case may be. No, company B is going to know what company A paid out for that roof loss.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it’s very much like a credit report, right? That’s right. It’s called a lost run report, and they know. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep. For everybody listening, there is no getting around that. Some people would think, well, I just want to tell the next company about that. They’re going to know, folks. There’s no getting around that. That’s my point of if it’s really close in what the deductible is versus what the total cost of repair is, you might be well off to just go ahead and pay to fix it and not turn the claim in.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and again, that’s stuff we want to talk about with the customer face-to-face and go over those options because there are times, too, where you and I have talked about it quite a bit. It’s just because you’re saying, hey, your roof is a certain age. We’re no longer going to cover you or you’re going to get half of what it costs in the future. Replace it, whatever, and discuss, okay. That’s one of those factors we’ve got to factor in if it makes sense to replace it now, or do we just hold off and keep it going?
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Absolutely.
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There’s a lot of different things going on in the industry that weren’t here two years ago that we have to attend to and get all the appropriate education and information to make the best decision for the client.
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All right. If they’re listening and they’ve had any kind of issues storm-related, and this, by the way, will apply to things that might happen down the road because we’re not out of the woods yet. Dave, how do they call you? Hello.
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Just give us a call at 303-710-6916, and Madison will be more than happy to take information and get you scheduled in for a free inspection.
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Awesome. As always, Dave, I appreciate it very much. We’ll talk again on Fix It Radio on Saturday as well.
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Sounds good, sir.
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All right, man, appreciate you. Have a great rest of your day. And again, that is Dave Hart from Roof Savers of Colorado. And yes, he’s there to take care of you. And as I always say, call him before you do anything else. Flesh Law, speaking of the legal sides of things, you might need some representation even when it comes to the insurance sides of things. If that’s the case, give Kevin Flesh a call today. Flesh Law, find him by calling 303-806-8886.
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All right. And this news just came out. This was not in my notes. Actually, my son Richard just sent me this. A U.S. federal court has blocked Trump’s Liberation Day tariffs from taking effect as announced on April the 2nd. This involves tariffs on most U.S. imports with a baseline 10 percent initially taking effect on April 5th. However, as you guys all know, other things have come into play and other tariffs and so on. Where will this end up in personally speaking? What gives a judge the right to do this? Because everything I have read, and I am not an expert. I will be straight up honest. I’m not a lawyer. I don’t have any degree or anything along those lines. But everything that I have read, the president does have the power to set tariffs, especially under the circumstances that we have going on right now. But yet we have a judge, and I didn’t look up to see who this judge is. My gut feeling is it’s probably a liberal appointed judge, says that no, in fact – Donald Trump doesn’t have the power to do so. And this one just as I heard some folks over the weekend talking about tariffs. And I bit my lip. I didn’t want to jump in. I just I shut up because it wouldn’t do me any good to jump in and say anything. It was an older couple that were talking back and forth to one another. And this particular guy was on a. rant about how Trump doesn’t know anything about the economy and he has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to tariffs and and there’s always going to be a deficit and this that and the other and while I agree there will always be a trade deficit because we are the largest consumer in the world of goods how that deficit is accounted for is what matters yes there will always be a deficit we’re going to buy more than we export it just is that way because we’re a consuming nation I understand that I’m not that stupid But how the tariffs work and the simple fact that in most cases, not all, but in most cases, a lot of our goods get tariffed very high going into other countries. And yet we allow those goods that are coming back to come in, in some cases for nothing. That’s what Trump is trying to fix. It’s really everything I just said in the simplest of terms is what Trump’s trying to fix. It’s not that we’re going to get rid of the trade deficit. It’s let’s get rid of this imbalance in what it costs for our goods to go to another country versus that same country’s goods coming back into our country. Let’s make it even. That’s what Trump’s trying to accomplish when it’s all said and done. I so much wanted to jump in and talk to this old liberal Democrat moron, but I decided not to. Because, frankly, I wasn’t going to make any headway with him. I could already tell by his attitude and how he was acting and so on that nobody’s going to convince him that Donald Trump is doing the right thing. So why bother? Now, in this particular case, this was a technical ruling issued today by U.S. Judge T. Kent Weatherall II. And again, I don’t know. I’ll have to read more into this. This just came out. I was able to read this through the little bit of a commercial break we had just a few minutes ago because this came out while I was talking to Dave Hart. So I don’t know where this goes from here. Yeah. I guess the judge is basically saying that, again, Trump does not have the international emergency economic powers of 1977 that authorizes presidents to actually set tariffs. I guess he’s writing that Trump’s justification for the tariffs. both stemming the flow of illicit drugs into the country and resolving a trade imbalance, is sufficient to satisfy the terms set by Congress. There is a civil action commenced against the United States, and it arises out of a federal law. So the – let me make sure I say this right, Charlie – This positive question framed by the party’s filings is whether the IEPA provides for the tariffs. He wrote defendants contend that it does. Plaintiffs contend that it doesn’t. The court agrees with the defendants. And so I don’t know exactly how this is all going to shake out when it’s all said and done. I guess—and hang on, I’ll make sure that I say this right. The judge says that he does have the power to impose tariffs. I’m sorry, I read that wrong. I take back what I said, that a judge said that he didn’t have—I’m sorry, I read that wrong— Although there’s a tweet that came out that a federal judge has officially blocked Trump’s liberation. I’m going to do more reading. You guys that are listening to have more ability to read this, please let me know what you read. I’ve got two different sets of information coming my way because I’ve got one tweet that says that a federal court blocked it. Yet I’m reading something on ABC. that says he does now that one was a few days ago so maybe a new judge has issued something today that wasn’t issued five days ago again folks i’m gonna have to read more on this to see exactly what’s going on and one thing i have learned just as a side note it’s why i don’t always announce everything i see on x or you know the old twitter which is now x everything you see on x or facebook or wherever isn’t always accurate So I’m going to be careful here in what I say as far as this goes, and we’ll do a little bit more research, and I will do some of that tonight and talk more about that tomorrow, of course. But according to X, a federal court has officially blocked his Liberation Day tariff. So, again, I’ll read more on this. If you guys have any articles you can send my way to let me know whether that’s true one way or the other, please do so. And, again, I should always mention this. The text line 307. 282 22 307 282 22 now one other thing i want to talk about before we go to phil kirpin here at the bottom of the hour scott garless by the way could not join us today so uh phil kirpin’s gonna chime in and we’re gonna talk about the big beautiful bill but phil weiser that is our attorney general here in colorado There was an interview that was done of late because he’s running for governor of Colorado. So there was an interview asking all sorts of things about, you know, where’s his position on Tabor? By the way, he thinks Tabor should have its cap raised. And they asked him specifically, well, by how much? And he basically said he would actually put that out to all the different voters across the state. In other words, he dodged that particular question. But what I’m telling you is. Phil doesn’t like Tabor. Most Democrats do not like Tabor because it keeps their spending in check. If we had Tabor as a federal government, we wouldn’t have 30, almost 39. I believe I looked this morning. Hang on, let me get this right. 37 trillion. We’re 36,908 right now. 36 trillion, 908 billion, and that’s climbing. So we’re almost 37 trillion in debt. I will tell you right now that if we had Tabor as a country years ago, you wouldn’t have that. It wouldn’t exist. So is it important for Colorado to keep Tabor? Absolutely. We lose Tabor, we’re done. It will be runaway spending. Your taxes will increase dramatically. On and on we go. A lot of things that you’re now getting money spent on won’t, and things that you don’t want to have money spent on will, and it’ll just snowball. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. It will snowball. Tabor literally is the only thing keeping things fiscally sound in Colorado. We’re already socially unsound. We’re already politically unsound. The only thing keeping us fiscally sound is Tabor, because that was put in by Republicans years ago, decades ago. And for those of you that are new to the state and don’t know what Tabor is, Tabor is a cap on government spending based upon population and inflation. It’s in its simplest form. I just explained it. TABOR is a cap on how much government in Colorado, the state government, can spend annually based upon our population, knowing how many people are here, you know, relying upon the state of Colorado, government-wise, and what inflation does in any particular year. So if it’s a low population growth or, in fact, in some cases, some states in Colorado could even see a depopulation, And depending upon what inflation actually does, they may end up with a year where there’s not much more they can spend than last year, which, as you all know, that’s not what governments like to do, state included. They like to spend more than they, in fact, they incentivize all of their departments to spend more every year. So the reality is if we have no growth or even some minus growth, depopulation, and we have not much inflation, which could be the case here in 2025, it limits how much in 2026 the government can spend. In fact, what it does is if they have a surplus of money, in other words, they collected more than what they were able to actually increase by the means I just said, they have to give that money back to taxpayers. Democrats hate that. They do not like giving refund checks. Let’s just say that. So when you see a Tabor refund check, guaranteed, unless you’re the Democrat receiving it, of course, Democrats don’t want to write that check. Period. So, again, I need to remind everybody, especially those of you that are new to our state that might be listening to me maybe for the first time, Tabor is what keeps… The state of Colorado fiscally in check, where California and others, they bond things out. They’ve got state debt and so on. That’s because it’s runaway spending by Democrats because they don’t have TABOR. We do. TABOR is a taxpayer bill of rights. And it caps state government spending by the means I just explained. Now, they also try to get around TABOR by issuing fees and doing all sorts of things that, in my opinion, are illegal. They’ve taken some of those court cases all the way up to the Supreme Court, and they’ve ruled that, nope, the state can go ahead and put that fee in. I think that’s a bunch of garbage, frankly. It’s wrong. It’s not a fee. It’s a tax. A fee is a tax. They’re one and the same, if you ask me. There is no difference. But we, the conservative side, have tried to sue over those things, over those quote-unquote fees. And if you don’t know what I’m talking about with fees, go register your car and look at literally the ticker tape that gets printed out of fees. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. There’s literally probably, Charlie, what, 15 different fees when you go to register your car? And I’m not exaggerating. Roll through them. I might be low in the 15. Literally, I’ve done that on Drive Radio. It’s been in years past. But literally, you look at every single fee they’ve got. It’s ridiculous. That’s how they get it. The reason why we have so many fees registering your vehicle is because they can’t raise the tax because of Tabor. So they fee you to death. So, again, that’s a bigger topic probably for another day I could get into and really get going on that. But the reality is, I’ll just tell you straight up, Phil Weiser, as a candidate for governor of Colorado, which he’ll be on the Democrats’ side most likely, Depends on how their primary ends up. But I can tell you right now, he, among all the other Democrats, would love to see Tabor go away. That’s the one thing they’ll all be in unison on. I’ll just tell you that straight up. Now, how they do it might be different from one to the other, but they all want to see them go away. All right, Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. You just heard Dave Hart a few minutes ago talking about what to do if you’ve been involved in any kind of storm damage whatsoever. First thing to do is give Dave a call, 303-710-6916.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Charlie’s doing his best to get Phil Kirpin on with us, but we’ll roll along either way. Real quick, going back to Phil Weiser, who, again, if you don’t know who that is, that is our current attorney general here in Colorado. And yes, he has already thrown his hat into the ring. to run for governor of the state of Colorado, just so you all know kind of where things are at as far as all of that goes. Now, there will be others. In fact, Michael Bennett has thrown his hat into the ring. That’s our senator that we tried to defeat a few years ago that we were unsuccessful in doing. So, again, who will actually be their candidate? I don’t know, but what I will tell you is there will be slight differences between in how some of them approach their run for governor, i.e. Tabor, and they know that’s a political hot button in Colorado. That’s why Phil, in this particular interview, didn’t even give any answers as to what he would do with Tabor. All he’s saying is that, hey, I want bottom-up leadership. I want the citizen to kind of tell us what we should do with Tabor, and then I’ll go with that. That’s the weakest, lamest thing, Phil, I’ve ever heard you say yet. And you’ve said some pretty weak things, but that’s pretty weak. So bottom line, that’s the kind of leadership, though, you’re going to get out of Phil Weiser. Keep in mind, he’s our attorney general and has never fought a case in court, never been to trial ever in his entire life, and yet he’s our attorney general. Phil Kirpin joining us now, American Commitment. Phil, welcome. Hey, how are you? I’m good. Good to have you back, Phil. Appreciate you very much. And talk about the RAINS Act and the big, beautiful bill.
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Yeah, the REINS Act was in. It was in. It was in. I was excited. Then it was pulled out. So it’s not in at the moment, but I’ll tell you about both of them. The REINS Act I’ve been working on for the last 15 years or so. It’s kind of the unfinished business of the Tea Party era. This is a bill that would change the regulatory process. So instead of agencies being able to impose more or less whatever regulations they want, unless someone stops them in court or somehow… You muster enough votes in Congress to stop them after the fact. This would change it so when an agency wants to impose a regulation, they’ve got to write it out and send it to Congress as a proposal, and Congress would have to vote on it first. It would have to get approval in the House and Senate and a presidential signature or a veto override. before taking effect. So in other words, we would follow the actual constitutional lawmaking process for these major regulations.
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Versus the way we do it now is backwards of that, right?
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Completely backwards, yeah. It’s almost impossible to stop regulations now because unless you just had a presidential election. Now, once in a while you can do it. So for instance, we just had a huge victory on getting Congress to stop a regulation last week. When we got a majority in the House and the Senate to overturn the EPA waiver to California that let them ban internal combustion vehicles. That’s right. That was huge.
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Big.
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Major. We were only able to do that because the president changed. Right. That’s right. If Biden were still in, he would have vetoed it, and we never would have had enough votes to overcome a veto. The only way you ever get a regulation overturned really these days is when you had a presidential election in between.
SPEAKER 12 :
I want to stop you for a moment because the other ironic thing about what you just said a moment ago, which, again, is backwards, is you’ve now got the state of California. They’re going to go and sue the federal government saying, you know, you guys can’t do that. Congress doesn’t have the authority to do that. Phil, that’s exactly Congress’s job.
SPEAKER 03 :
My God, if California wins that lawsuit, I give up on the competition. Unbelievable, Phil.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, I’m listening and thinking to myself, you guys really aren’t that dumb, are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, that one in particular is insane because clearly the automobile market is interstate commerce. That’s right. Clearly, we’ve had federal regulation of it for decades. And the only reason California was allowed to do that at all was they got granted a special waiver from the Obama administration, and then Trump revoked it, and then Biden gave it to them again. And, you know, Trump could revoke it again, but then the next Democrat will just give it back again. So it’s so much better to have Congress actually revoke
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and really quick, I want to jump in again, Phil, because for everybody listening, states like Colorado, we jumped on the same bandwagon that California had because the way their law was written, it allowed other states to dovetail in to what they were doing, which we also did, Phil. So what this means for Colorado is ours is null and void right now as well, which, again, is a huge thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Just so everyone understands how this works, California has this special provision of the Clean Air Act Amendment of 1990 that if they don’t want to follow EPA rules, they can ask for a waiver to step their own rules. Now, no other state can do this, just California. But when California does it, then every other state gets to choose.
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do they want to follow the federal or do they want to follow California? And so California’s waiver… Really, it affected almost 40% of the population of the U.S. because we had 10 or 12 other states. Yeah, Colorado being one of them. That’s right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. And really quick, Phil, because you do a better job of explaining this than I, pick another industry or another item. whereby, because in this particular case, you end up with basically two different sets of regulation, if you would, one coming out of California, one coming out of the federal government. To your point, interstate commerce, making it very, very confusing when it’s all said and done. Can you think of another industry whereby you could be just as confusing, if a state were allowed to do that?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, they’re probably other things. California has other kind of crazy rules about some agricultural things and some other… I mean, so, I mean, we’ve got some… I mean, I would look at… My comparison would be, okay, California, we’re going to let you go and have your own $100 bill that’s only for California.
SPEAKER 12 :
In other words, you get your own currency. Right. Phil, there’s no difference, in my opinion, of doing that and then let other states latch on to that and basically having a completely separate monetary system for California and however many other states wanted to join in versus what the feds are doing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, what would actually happen? And I think, of course, you know, the Democrats and Biden people know this is eventually the California standard just becomes the whole country. And you just have these only because that’s the. you know, it just keeps expanding and, you know, you’re not going to have double tooling. And, you know, it’s just, it was a way to get, you know, they actually wanted to ban gas cars everywhere. That’s right. We were just starting in California. So that was a big one. But, you know, the only way we got that overturned is because we had a presidential election in between. And, you know, what I’ve always said is, this process we have is so, but the best example of how backwards this whole process is, is what happened in the Obama administration when they tried to do cap and trade. Remember, they had Nancy Pelosi running the House. They had Harry Reid running the Senate. They had big majorities in the House and Senate. In fact, they had supermajority in the Senate, 60 at the time. Why didn’t that bill ever pass? Well, it didn’t pass because there was a huge public opinion backlash when they pushed it through the House, and people said, wait a second, this is going to cause the price of energy to skyrocket, and everyone was sharing the clip of Obama saying, oh, it’ll necessarily skyrocket, and we were hammering them, and You had a bunch of Democratic senators say, we’re not even going to vote on that. You know, this is a terrible idea, we’re not going to do it, and it collapsed. And the way our system is supposed to work, that ought to be the end, right? That’s the end of that. But it wasn’t, because instead Obama said, hey, I have a pen and I have a phone, and I’m going to have the EPA, you know, do half the things that were in the bill anyway. Just inventing, you know, finding, asking the lawyers to come up with some excuse, and then writing it all into regulation. And they basically… you know, they shut down half the coal plants in the country after that, even though the bill hadn’t passed. And if we had something like the RAINS Act in at that time, they wouldn’t have been able to do any of that because they would have written out their regulations, but they wouldn’t have been able to get the votes for them. They would have just ended.
SPEAKER 12 :
Phil, another example is what ATF does at different times, where they’ll just come in and randomly set some sort of Second Amendment, quote-unquote, regulation about whatever device might or might not be constitutional at the end of the day. But to your point, because of the way things have always worked, they’ve gotten by with that garbage when, in fact, it’s unconstitutional.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and more to the point, they would never be able to get the votes in Congress to do it if they had to vote. That’s right. So that’s another very good example. So we’ve been trying to do that. Actually, there’s an amazing story behind the RAIN Act. The guy who came up with the idea. was a guy named Lloyd Rogers. He actually passed away about a year and a half ago now. Great guy, but he was a Navy veteran, former local elected official in northern Kentucky. And you remember 2009 when all the town halls were going wild and they were trying to do all that stuff? Well, this guy went to a town hall meeting with his congressman. He brought his constitution and he brought his water bill. And he opens his constitution, the first page, he goes, Congressman, it says all legislative power is vested in a congressman. Article 1, Section 1, here’s my water bill. It says that my price is going to double because of EPA stormwater management rules. So why didn’t you guys vote on that? Why wasn’t there a vote? How does the EPA have the legislative power to double my water bill? And his congressman was kind of like, whoa, we should have voted on that. You’re right. And that’s when they came up with this idea for this bill. It came out of that. That’s why I call it sort of the unfinished business from the Tea Party era. And Jim Jordan, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, had it in the one big beautiful bill coming out of committee. It was in there. And they took it out in that late-night final amendment package. I guess because they thought Senate procedure was going to be a problem with Senate procedures and the parliamentarian and all that. There was actually almost no reporting on why it was taken out. So I was just, I didn’t even understand it. I thought it was still in because the way they wrote the amendment was so confusing. But it’s out. Maybe the Senate can get it back in. That would be great. But for the moment, it’s out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. And that’s one of those things where, yes, this is a time where you can call your congressmen, women, your senators, and so on, even though our two are very Democrat. We’re Democrat here, of course, the two that we have. But you can still make a phone call and let them know you want that put back in. Phil, I can’t think of any. I mean, there’s no lobbying. There’s nothing along those lines because states can’t lobby. Agencies can’t lobby. I can’t think of a reason why they would pull this out politically because there’s nothing in this for them politically. This isn’t like cutting Social Security or something along those lines where you’re going to have constituents mad over it. This is a win for all of them. I don’t understand why they would pull it out.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, the cynical theory would be that there’s some people up there that like not voting. Well, of course. They like avoiding responsibility and saying, oh, yeah, I hate what they’re doing, but I can’t do anything about it. Instead of, you know, all of them being put up to a vote where people can look it up and see who voted for it. So, I mean, that’s the cynical theory.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re probably right.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think the less cynical theory is that, you know, maybe the Senate rules of reconciliation wouldn’t have allowed it and it would have caused a procedural problem. I mean, I don’t understand Senate rules myself. I think that when it seems like the country’s being governed by a parliamentarian instead of the people we elected, you’ve got a problem. But if they can’t get it in this bill, they’ve got to find some other way to get it done before the end of President Trump’s term. Because we saw Obama was the worst regulator in history. Trump undid almost everything Obama did. Biden came and did everything Obama did and then some, and a lot more. And we can’t have a situation where… You know, Trump does all this amazing deregulatory stuff, but as soon as the Democrats and they bring it all back and then some, we have to have a process that slows that down. So we’ve got to get this done during this presidency.
SPEAKER 12 :
These guys are like city councils that hire city managers because then they can blame the city manager and everything that happens inside of the city, even though it’s their fault.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think the… Congress has been able to get away with avoiding responsibility way too much, way too much. And by the way, I don’t know where you are on the tariff issue, but the Trump tariffs got struck down in federal court just, I don’t know, 15 minutes ago.
SPEAKER 12 :
I was just talking about that a few minutes ago.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know all of the particulars, but… Well, it was a panel of a Reagan judge, an Obama judge, and a Trump judge, and it was unanimous. And frankly, whether you like tariffs or you hate them, they ought to be voted on in Congress. It shouldn’t be. We shouldn’t be governed… by laws created by the executive branch, we’re supposed to have a separation of powers. So that’s my view on that, and it relates to the stuff we were just talking about.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, and I did do some reading, not only while we were with Phil, but he mentioned this, and then I did a little bit of reading in this last break. And yes, as Phil said, a federal trade court ruled that President Trump doesn’t have the authority to impose sweeping tariffs on virtually every nation, avoiding the levels that have sparked a global trade war and threatened to upend the world economy. This is coming out of the Wall Street Journal. The decision on Wednesday from the Court of International Trade blocked one of the Trump administration’s most audacious assertions of executive power under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 and sets the stage for a possible appeal by the White House. So we will see what happens next. Charlie asked me during the break, so what happens to a lot of these – traders that have already paid tariffs and things along those lines. Honestly, I don’t know. Give them the money back? I’m not sure exactly how that works. I really don’t have any idea. I’m sure the White House will appeal this, as Charlie said during the break as well. Every president that I’ve ever known has done something along these lines without the approval of Congress. I mean, Obama did them. Trump did them the last time around. Biden didn’t change some of those, actually kept some of them the same in regards to like China, you know, for example. So I don’t know how this is going to shake out. I have mixed emotions on this. I like Phil. I do feel like there needs to be a separation of power. Although in this particular case, I do feel like when we’ve got emergency situations going on in regards to the economy and you’ve got to get something changed to get things back on track, And in this particular case, and some of you might argue with me, but you’ve got a situation where the Fed isn’t helping you any way, shape, or form. Congress and the Senate, by the way, aren’t helping you any way, shape, or form. You know, are you just going to be stuck between a rock and a hard spot and not do anything? I mean, as I said earlier, yes, I understand we’ll always have a trade imbalance, a trade deficit when it comes to other countries. We’re the biggest buyer. We’re the biggest customer. But to say – just to say that and disregard the fact that other countries aren’t playing by the rules, well, that’s a whole other level. Where does Trump go from here? And I guarantee you they’re having meetings as we speak along these lines as to what they do. By the way, to get the trade deficits, in other words, we as a country, we may export something and get hit, like, for example, cars. We’ll use that one. We’ve been charging 5% for European vehicles to come into the country. They, though, even though they don’t publicize this, the real number for us exporting one of our cars to Europe is about 30%. That’s a 25% difference. The EU can ship a car over here for 5%. We can’t ship one of ours over there for less than 30%. It’s 30%, 35% roughly. And before some of you send me something and say it’s only 15% or it’s only 10% or 12%, you’ve got to add all of the other taxes that they throw in there that aren’t necessarily a tariff but they’re still a tax and it still gets paid at the end of the day. So don’t go off of just what USA Today or somebody like that will publish because that’s not completely accurate. In other words, don’t go off what the left tells you because it won’t be completely accurate. You’ve got to factor in all of the other costs that are there as well, all of the other taxes. That’s the case in that particular situation with our cars going to the EU. Where does this go from here? Folks, I don’t know. I really don’t know. I guess we’ll see by probably morning what happens with the White House and what President Trump actually says and where things are going to go from here because I really don’t know. I don’t know. And again, am I with Phil in the separation of powers and so on? Yes, although I’ll tell you right now, in this particular case, you’re not going to get agreement. from Congress to do anything along these lines whatsoever. Too much payola going into too many people that are elected for them to make wise choices when it comes to tariffs. I’m sorry. That’s one where I don’t agree with Phil on that particular case. I agree that, yes, we need a separation. But I don’t agree. And you’re not going to get it done. That’s the problem. You’re never going to get anything done if you let them do it. That’s the problem we have. Because they don’t have the guts to do it. Again, because of the payola. So it’ll be interesting to see how this one shakes out. I’m not sure exactly how this is going to go. I don’t know where we’re going to go from here. I don’t know what the markets will do. I guarantee you they’re going to be up tomorrow because Wall Street hates tariffs. I’ve talked about that numerous times because they’re all globalists. They hate tariffs. They would just soon see us get raked across the coals when it comes to us exporting, and yet another country is charging us a boatload, but we can’t charge them. Wall Street would love that. They don’t care because they don’t care about America. Period. Period. Even though we’re the biggest buyer, even though we set the stage, financially speaking, for the rest of the world, Wall Street doesn’t care. Those traders don’t care. Those hedge fund managers, they don’t care. I’m being straight up honest. They don’t care. All they care about at the end of the day is what can they get done in their own portfolio with their own investors and so on, and they don’t care about the country. Any way, shape, or form. I’m sorry to say, they just don’t. And they proved that over and over and over again. So, I don’t know. This one is up for debate. I guess we’ll see how things go here over the next couple of days. 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