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All right. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Daniel Turner joining us now, Power of the Future. Welcome back, Daniel. How are you?
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s great to be on with you. Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER 18 :
Always a joy. Give us your impression of the last, you know, it hasn’t been even a full week yet. We’ve only been just a few days with Donald Trump. What’s your first impressions?
SPEAKER 10 :
These energy executive orders are exactly what we need to jumpstart the energy industry. to hopefully lower prices. You know, I made a little video just not long ago walking through my sheep farm, and I was talking about how expensive hay is. You know, we’ve gotten a ridiculous amount of snow and cold in Virginia, where we normally don’t. And when your grass is covered in eight inches of snow, well, you know, you’ve got to start throwing hay. That’s right. Hay went from 750 square bales. when Trump left office to $11.75. That’s a lot of money when you’re throwing 20 bales of hay a day to keep your sheep alive.
SPEAKER 18 :
And really quick, Daniel, think of the ranchers out there that are doing many times over that amount.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. I mean, those round bales, which are going for $150, used to be $90. And it’s all energy. It’s because I don’t begrudge the guy who sold me the hay. He has to make money, too. But energy is everything. It’s our food cost. It’s our home heating bill cost. And if these executive orders can start to lower the cost of energy, Americans are going to feel it in their pocketbook. And it will happen. It’s going to take a couple weeks, but it will happen.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, no, in fact, Daniel, and I talked about this earlier in the week, just the whole atmosphere around what he’s doing, not even the things that he actually did through executive orders and what I feel he even get pushed through Congress and make some of these things permanent, but just the whole attitude around energy and And even just coming out right off the bat and saying, you know what, we’re going to end it. We’re going to end this EV mandate right off the bat. We’re going to change the way solar works. You know, we’re going to do things differently. And oh, by the way, some of these coal plants that a lot of you have, a lot of you out there have maybe online to be shut down. Guess what? We’re reversing that as well.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and it’s remarkable. And I noticed, you know, of all the global elite who are gathered at Davos at the World Economic Forum, where they’re cutting their heads off alive chickens and doing all their other rituals there, you know, all of them would make fun of President Trump because of his stance on energy, fossil fuels, and also his disbelief in the climate hysteria. And yet he’s the only one who appeared via Zoom, right? Everyone else took private jets. True. Good point. Private jets were used up 170% in Davos. All those idiots flew their own jet because they’re not going to fly commercial. They don’t care. What are they, poor? It’s all lip service, Daniel.
SPEAKER 18 :
The Paris Climate Accord, getting us out of that. I mean, the trillions of dollars in savings there, which it’s a fleecing of the American public, because at the end of the day, as you know, Daniel, if we don’t participate in that, the reality is there’s not enough money to make that thing even happen. And the fact of the matter is, even if we were to continue in that, again, all it does is cost us money while other countries like India, China and others continue to do whatever they want to do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. And I was at a number of the Senate hearings for Trump’s energy cabinet members, and the Democrats kept pushing this angle. What about the green energy race? What about the subsidies for wind and solar? And yet simultaneously, they marvel that worldwide coal use continues to go up. And I’ve always struggled with the logic that why do we have to shut down coal in America? But China’s allowed to open more coal to make these stupid wind and solar that nobody wants that we have to then buy to make expensive electricity here in America. And we call it green. So it’s just a whole bunch of nonsense.
SPEAKER 18 :
Which, as you know, because you’re in this more than even I am, we have some of the cleanest coal in the entire world. That’s why so many countries want what we have. Why don’t we just use it?
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. We’ve made energy expensive here in America. We used to on average. pay around for more than a decade, we paid around 13 cents per kilowatt hour. We’re now paying close to 18 on average. And that’s a huge jump. And every American has seen their utility bill go higher. And after four years of Kamala Harris and a trillion dollars, literally a trillion dollars spent on the green economy, Kamala bragged about it during her debate with President Trump. Four years of trillion dollars. When would it have kicked in, John? I guess that’s my question. When would we have start feeling these savings of wind and solar? When would it have all started to work? Germany’s been doing it 25 years. Their economy is in complete economic recession. All of Europe is struggling. England’s utility bills are at cataclysmic rates. When does the good part of going green eventually kick in?
SPEAKER 18 :
It doesn’t. In fact, in my opinion, Daniel, it’s a way for… Certain individuals and people groups in the belief system of to destroy countries from the inside out because it makes people poor. It’s literally a transfer of wealth. And to your point, we’ve got to get back to where energy is cheap. We are literally one of the leaders when it comes to creating energy in all facets. There’s no reason why as a country we are not using that.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, there’s not. And, you know, I saw your senator, John Hickenlooper, who was on the Energy Committee, and he had a great exchange with Governor Doug Burgum about these things. Senator Hickenlooper is an oil and gas man. He knows the industry. I wish people like him had more leadership prominence among the Democrats in Congress because they have this belief that the fossil fuel industry is somehow bad, that the fossil fuel industry is doing damage, when in fact it’s giving us prosperity, health. It’s a wonderful industry, and we’ve punished it for four straight years. So the turnaround is going to be exceptional, and the American people are going to feel it, and they’re going to remember it.
SPEAKER 18 :
I cannot disagree with anything that you’re saying, and I always hate to bring TV and things like that into it, although, and I know that this particular TV series isn’t accurate. I know that it’s Hollywood, and they put a lot of things into it that aren’t necessarily true, but the series Landman, if anybody out there hasn’t watched it, and it’s not for the faint of heart, nor is it for kids. You shouldn’t be watching it with your children, Daniel, but the reason why I think people should watch it is because a lot of what… You know, surprisingly, a lot of what is said in that particular series is very true. And they say things like, you know, we’ve created, you know, our forefathers, if you would, you know, our great grandfathers created a world that’s reliant upon petroleum products. And the reality is it’s there. We use it. We have to have it. Let’s stop demonizing it. And until something else comes along to replace it, we have to have it. It’s that simple. Exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, it is. And that’s why I called my organization Power the Future. Because I don’t know what tomorrow’s going to be. We may discover something. We may perfect wind and solar one day. Who knows? I’m not opposed to any of that. But the fact of the matter is we haven’t done it yet. And we’re punishing ourselves now, saying if we hurt ourselves now, maybe tomorrow will be better. And the geniuses who are going to create the perfect energy source… They are using fossil fuels. And by punishing us now, we’re not going to have a better future. We’re having a worse future, and Americans are experiencing that.
SPEAKER 18 :
And, Daniel, I can’t argue with what you just said in regards to will we find something else on down the road that does what oil and gas and coal and those sorts of things, quote-unquote fossil fuels – I hate that term, by the way, but it is what it is – You know, the reality is we’ve got these natural – that’s what I like calling them. We have these natural resources that are at our fingertips. If something else that is better, cheaper, faster, stronger comes along, yeah, I’m all in on using it. But to your point a moment ago, the reality is that doesn’t exist. We’re trying to force feed – Some of these things that frankly don’t exist and are not as good. And I’ve said it for years, Daniel, anytime you try to force feed something into the system, it is a recipe for disaster. And it is.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is, and we saw this with government mandates and government money. Government money didn’t make the EV sector create better EVs. Government money didn’t get us more efficient solar panels and more efficient wind turbines. All it did was it forced it on the American people. And if you really wanted a great product, if you really wanted a great EV or a great wind turbine, you would force it to compete in the marketplace. And so these government subsidies of the Biden-Harris administration, which are now gone, but they didn’t do any good to that product. All they did was allow an inferior product to exist where without government money and government breath, it would have died of its own recourse.
SPEAKER 18 :
Let me give you an example, and you can steal this and use it later if you’d like. It’s much like when the iPhone came out. Steve Jobs had this grand vision. He wanted to take a lot of different devices, shrink them down into one. He then called it a smartphone or the iPhone, if you would. And it was the leader when it came to making that whole industry become what it even is today. And my point, Daniel, is he saw a need. He figured out a way to fill that need, and because he did, the yearning for it created the market for the product that, as we know, and you look back at the history of and even the other products that have spun off of that, the reality is most everybody today, no matter what part of the country or world you’re in, has a quote-unquote smartphone. So my point with energy is exactly the same. There was something else that came along that was bigger and better and badder than coal, than oil, than natural gas, than Daniel. It would be very apparent. People would be clamoring for it. And it would supplant the other things, much like BlackBerry, by the way, which at that time was the leader. And the iPhone came along. And literally within a matter of about four to five years, it was no longer. And RIM went basically broke, if you would. And what we’re doing with wind and solar is what could have happened. Luckily, it didn’t. If government had gotten involved and said, oh, no, hang on, time out, time out. Yeah, we know this iPhone thing is better. But the reality is we want you guys using BlackBerry. So we’re going to subsidize and give you credits and give you the ability to keep using that because we want to force that upon you, even though the market says I want an iPhone. That’s what we’ve done in energy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. And the Biden-Harris administration did this by telling the banks they couldn’t lend to the fossil. Yes. Even one step further. Imagine if Steve Jobs couldn’t have gotten financing for his iPhone. Imagine if they punished people who used iPhones and they required by law that you purchase Blackberry. Good point. We wouldn’t have these great products. And that’s what they’ve done. It’s going to take some time to undo, but it will happen.
SPEAKER 18 :
I think it will as well, because I think, frankly, the reason why Donald Trump got elected, and I know some people may not like me saying this, but he didn’t get elected because of who he is, because a lot of people love him, a lot of people don’t. He got elected, Daniel, because of the very things you’re talking about right now, because people realized, I’m broke, I’m spending way more money on things than I used to, this particular administration keeps promising me things that aren’t being delivered on, and I want to change.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and I think the change is going to come. Look, we don’t have a bad short-term memory problem.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, we don’t.
SPEAKER 10 :
Americans do remember when eggs were $2 a dozen. They remember when chopped meat was affordable. They remember when your car was more affordable and housing mortgages. Right. Oil hasn’t been below $60 a barrel in four years. It’s great if you’re in the energy industry, but it’s terrible if you’re the consumer. And I try to remind people all the time, the industry would much rather make their profit online on volume than on price point. It is better to have 15 wells at $50 a barrel than have 10 wells at $90 a barrel. You would much rather have more at a lower price point because it is actually more sustainable. So we’ve punished the volume by stopping oiling and gas access, drilling, etc. So the industry is going to rebound. We just need a little bit of time.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I’ll close with this. I had predicted before Donald Trump took office that within 30 days of him taking office, we would see oil drop about $10 a barrel because before he took office, just a few days before, it was in the low 80s. It is now, today, right now, 74.28 and dropping. So, Daniel, I don’t think my predictions are going to be too far off.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, and that’s great for the American people and our economy and our future. So we’ve got a lot to be optimistic in.
SPEAKER 18 :
Daniel, always a joy having you. We think alike. I appreciate you joining us. Let folks know how they can find you.
SPEAKER 10 :
PowerTheFuture.com, and I love being on your program. Thank you, Daniel.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 18 :
We are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Joe, what’s going on, sir?
SPEAKER 08 :
John, I wanted to chime in on the podcast. possibility of the SALT deductions being eliminated. I don’t think that’s going to happen because there’s a tremendous amount of pressure going the other way, even supported by some Republicans in high-tax states.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, there’s a lot of those that I mentioned earlier, Joe, that, you know, nice thought. Yes, there’s savings, you know, potential savings there if you could ever get them passed, but there’s a lot of those on there that aren’t going to happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, because states like New York, you know, I mean, solid blue states like New York and California, they have Republican congressmen. And those are the states where people are paying. Now, by the way, and the Democrats, they’re a little schizophrenic because on one hand, yeah, yeah, yeah, because that punishes the big rich guys because, you know, they might have $50,000 in property taxes and $100,000 in state income taxes, and we’re going to cap them at $10,000. But now it’s hurting. By the way, John, I live in a fairly modest house in New Jersey, four-bedroom house, you know, three-quarters of an acre. It’s nothing special. My property taxes alone are $17,000 in New Jersey. So it’s hurting me. And you go in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Westchester, Westchester up in New York, Darien, Connecticut, Stanford, Connecticut. These people are all paying $20,000 a year in property taxes. So their elected representatives are under tremendous pressure to lift the cap or double the cap. And there’s all sorts of proposals out there floating and make it $10,000 per filer, so if you’re a husband and wife, it’d be $20,000 instead of $10,000. Others want to have it lifted. I think it’s going to be a bargaining chip.
SPEAKER 18 :
For example, there’s things on here, Joe, like eliminate the death tax, which would cost us $370 billion. That’s a great thing. I would love it if it happened, because my feeling on that is people are getting double-taxed or triple-taxed in some cases, but the reality is, will that actually… And, again, there’s a lot of things on here that they go through, and some of them I could really get behind. Some of them are probably, while they’re great ideas, just not going to get passed. There’s just too many people, like you talked about, Joe, that are there that just aren’t going to allow it, period, not going to happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, if anything, if I had to bet money, I’m going to bet that you will see the current $10,000 cap on SALT deductions increased. If I had to bet one way, I’m willing to bet money it’s going to go up. Now, whether they eliminate it or bump it to 15 or make it $10,000 per person on the tax return, I’m willing. And by the way, inflation alone, John, if you just look at the Trump tax plan has been in effect for seven years now. Well, guess what? $10,000 seven years ago is almost $20,000 today adjusted for inflation. So if I have to bet money, I don’t think deductions for state and local taxes are going away. I think we’re going to see that cap. raised substantially. That’s just my two cents.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and, you know, there’s a lot of things in this report that I didn’t get a chance to get to yet from, you know, the energy side of things and things that we can do along those lines. Like I was just talking to, you know, Daniel about a few minutes ago to welfare things, you know, limiting SNAP benefits, you know, a work requirement for SNAP benefits, you know, all sorts of things along those lines, Joe, that as you and I both know, highly doubtful those things will make it through.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, even though, by the way, when people talk about the work requirement, it was a choice of either work 20 hours a week or participate in free state-sponsored job training or 20 hours a week of community service. And that only applies to able-bodied adults who are not caregivers. Now, you can’t be any more reasonable than that, John.
SPEAKER 18 :
I know. I know. I mean, I look at some of these proposals to redo SNAP and some of what we have with welfare, and it’s like, okay, this makes total sense. Why are we not doing these things? But yet we’re not, and there are people out there that know exactly how to game the system that will, unless it’s changed, Joe, will never get off SNAP.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, and John, it’s the Democrats are pandering to their voter base. That’s all it is. They’re pandering to the voter base.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep. And they allow this nonsense to keep going on. And by the way, Joe, it also negatively affects our workforce. And people talk about, you know, illegals coming in and working and so on. Well, yeah, because in some cases they will do things that that SNAP benefit because they’re on the dole won’t.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 18 :
Unfortunately, that’s the way it is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Yeah. John, you’re right. I mean, you’re speaking the truth. But, you know, unfortunately, the people who need to hear it and act on it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Joe, there are Republicans that I could speak to that wouldn’t understand and or agree with what I just said.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, unfortunately, you’re probably right. You’re absolutely probably right.
SPEAKER 18 :
I hate to say that because they either have such a hardcore stance on the illegal side, which I do as well, and I don’t want people coming in willy-nilly. I’d love a merit-based system. I think the whole thing needs to have a complete revamp. But I also know that as an employer, if you don’t get some people off the dole, good luck on finding workers.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it’s too easy not to work. I go back to Ben Franklin. who said, you know, poverty, that we have to provide for those who can’t take care of themselves, but we should not make living in poverty comfortable.
SPEAKER 18 :
And, you know, in this day and age, Joe, we, unfortunately, we do. Section 8 housing, SNAP, I can go down the list, Joe, you know that as well as I. If you know how to work and game the system, you could literally live better than you are right now, Joe, and not lift a finger.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, and by the way, living in poverty in this country, John, is upper middle class in a lot of other countries.
SPEAKER 18 :
Or even above that.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, running water, flush toilets… Central heat, central air, electricity, Internet, color TV. John, you’re upper middle class in most parts of the world.
SPEAKER 18 :
Joe, I have visited parts of the world where they would love to have that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, they would love to be living in poverty in this country.
SPEAKER 18 :
They would think they went to heaven. And I am not exaggerating when I say that. When you live in a country where there is no running water and you’re going out every day to bring water back in, you know, four- and five-year-olds are running the sheep or the cattle herd. You know, the waste, you know, the sewer is literally running down the side of the road. I mean, Joe, these are people that, yeah, if they could end up in Section 8 housing, have SNAP benefits, be able to go down to the local store and buy whatever they want to with those benefits, they think they died and went to heaven.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, you and I have been there. I’ve been out in countries where the people at dinner time, you know, they’re living in stone huts. I mean, if they’re lucky, they have stone huts instead of a tin roof.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
But they’re living in a stone hut, and when it’s time to come out for dinner, they come out and they build a little fire by the side of the road with a wok because you can’t start a fire because there’s no ventilation in the house. The house would fill with smoke. They literally cook their dinner inside. in a charcoal fire, in a walk over a charcoal fire by the side of the road, and when it’s done, they bring it back into the house. That’s how they cook dinner.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep. Yep. Joe, I have witnessed a lot of that in very poor countries around the world, from Haiti to Africa to other places, and everything you’re talking about, absolutely true. We in this country, our poorest in this country, don’t know how good they have it. Our homeless, Joe, don’t know how good they have it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that’s true, too. Our homeless, by the way, are homeless. If they need medical care, if they have life threatening under federal law, they can walk into any hospital and they will be treated on the spot.
SPEAKER 18 :
And Joe, the people that we’re talking about, if your baby’s ill and you don’t have the ability to get them to the hospital, which, by the way, means you might have to walk several miles or, you know, tens of miles to actually get them there. And if you don’t have that ability, they die.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Yeah. No electric, you know, no phone. And by the way, And they don’t even have telecommunications. They have no phone. They can’t even call for help. If their baby is choking or something or has had a seizure, they can’t even contact people to come to fly in or drive in to help them.
SPEAKER 18 :
Joe, most of them, that’s why there’s well projects and things like that that a lot of ministries and folks do around the world. Some of those folks are doing good to get clean water.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and you’re right, John. I actually donate to a group. I’m trying to remember the name of the group. But one of their biggest things they do is they help sink wells in some of these little villages so they’re not dipping water out of a polluted river.
SPEAKER 18 :
Which, by the way, is typically where the animals are, where they wash the trucks and the vehicles and everything else that happened at the same time, and they drink that.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re right. They’re drinking water that has parasites. By the way, that’s why so many people in African countries And even Indian countries are drinking water with parasites in it, and they wind up with tapeworms in their gut, but parasites in their guts. And by the way, they migrate into their eyes, and they affect their vision.
SPEAKER 18 :
And Joe, and by the way, what I’m saying, and for a lot of you listening, you understand this fully, it’s why we have the situation with people wanting to come to this country, and even as an illegal immigrant, end up with some of the things, Joe, that you and I are talking about. It’s also why I believe, you know, Joe Biden had an open border policy because he knew those people would come if you did. And it’s a way to change literally the face of America. And that’s exactly what this last party or that party has tried to do during these last four years. And fortunately, Donald Trump has, at least for now, closed those up.
SPEAKER 08 :
And, John, let me ask you a question. If you had a choice between spending a year in Douglas County Prison or spending a year in El Salvador in a… Give me the prison, Joe. You would take Douglas County Prison over a patched hut in El Salvador, drinking polluted water out of a river any day of the week, right?
SPEAKER 18 :
And not knowing if your life’s going to be there next week or not.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, because of the— Everything.
SPEAKER 18 :
Everything that you’re surrounded by. Not only, Joe, the medical and what you’re eating and drinking and all of that, but just the gang, the gang violence, all the different things that are going on. Yeah, put me in jail.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, life is cheap. In countries like Guatemala and El Salvador, life is cheap, and you may not be alive tomorrow. So, yeah, I would take—if I was in one of those countries, I would take a year in Douglas County Jail. You know, six days a week and twice on Sunday.
SPEAKER 18 :
And, Joe, while my heart goes out to all those individuals, and there’s millions, billions of them, literally billions of them around the world. And, yes, my heart goes out to them. Why was I allowed to be born in this country while they weren’t? Joe, that’s above my pay grade. I can’t answer that question. But what I do know is… You have to keep the border closed. You’ve got to have some sort of a merit system whereby if those people want in, what are they bringing to the table? Because I don’t just want anyone coming in. I want to know exactly who they are. What are they going to do to help our country grow when it’s all said and done? I am not against immigration if done correctly, but open borders. And Donald Trump, fortunately, on Monday stopped them. You know, we can’t have that.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, we can’t. And by the way, the liberals are trying to play a poll. Who’s going to pick our voters? Who’s going to pick our tomatoes and who’s going to, you know, clean our carrots and other? John, we have work visas. You want to come in and you want to come in to work the crops, migrant? You know, we have work visas.
SPEAKER 18 :
Joe, two things, by the way, and I’m glad you said that because there’s two things that I always want to respond when it comes to that. A, you’re right. We have the ability to bring people and do the things that are necessary along those lines. On the same token, hear me out on this, and I think you of all people would understand this as much as anyone. If you don’t, and if push comes to shove, this is where technology, AI, and some of the things that we now have literally at our doorstep can come in, because you and I both know that what a big farm does today is… is far greater than they ever could have done prior with people actually working the fields. And if given, you know, again, if push comes to shove, they will develop the technology to do the things that labor is doing today. The problem, Joe, is when you don’t have to, you don’t.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Necessities, mother of invention. And, John, I grew up on a farm. You know, my grandparents raised apples and potatoes. I was watching this modern Marvel show the other day. Do you know there’s some machines now? John, that harvest potatoes, now potatoes grow underground.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep, I’ve seen the machine in action. Absolutely. It’s amazing.
SPEAKER 08 :
If you would have said, and I’m an engineer, you would have said, well, design a machine that’s going to dig up potatoes and harvest them and separate them from the root system. I was just stunned.
SPEAKER 18 :
It does it all in one machine. It’s amazing.
SPEAKER 08 :
One machine. It comes along and digs them up. It doesn’t bruise them.
SPEAKER 18 :
Joe, some of these machines that we use, it’s absolutely fascinating.
SPEAKER 08 :
And they now have machines that shake the nut trees and the fruit trees. That’s right. And they’ve got the big nets, like circus nets. They get all done in one machine. Right. It literally shakes the tree and the stuff falls off.
SPEAKER 18 :
So my point, and I come back to a lot of those liberals that would say that, would be, you know what? To your point, necessity is the mother of invention. When push comes to shove, believe me, we’ll figure that out.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Now, we’ll always need some – well, let’s look at the auto industry, John. I mean, right now I think there’s a million robots, each robot’s doing the work of seven workers. If we didn’t have robots, our auto industry would be out of business today.
SPEAKER 18 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because – All of the international competitors are doing that. So thank God we have a million. So a million robots are doing the work of 7 million humans in the auto industry. And people say, well, look how many U.S. workers they put out of business. Well, if you didn’t have them, we wouldn’t have any. You wouldn’t be doing it. You wouldn’t have any auto workers.
SPEAKER 18 :
Which, by the way, people forget last year General Motors here in America was the leading seller of vehicles in the United States of America, which they haven’t done for a long time, proving your point, Joe.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Oh, and going back, I grew up in a telephone family. My grandfather and father both worked for the phone company. Do you know back when the rotary dial phone company was first invented, the telephone communications workers fought the introduction of the rotary dial phone? Yeah, because they thought they were going to lose their jobs. They thought they were going to put the switchboard operators with the plugs. That’s right. You’d pick up the phone.
SPEAKER 18 :
Mary Jo wasn’t going to have a job anymore.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and my grandmother still had this phone. She was on a rural line. You literally didn’t have a dial. You’d pick up the thing. Click the receiver a few times. Right, and then the operator, yes, ma’am, yeah, can you connect me to so-and-so? So this phone number, and she and her central office would pull some plugs and stick you, and literally her phone didn’t have a dial. Yep.
SPEAKER 18 :
Modern technology, and look where we are today, Joe.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and look at how many millions of people are employed in it. tens of millions of people employed in the telecommunications industry.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s right. Far more than they were then.
SPEAKER 08 :
Far more than they were then.
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SPEAKER 18 :
All right, after nearly 61 years, Donald Trump announced just this afternoon, I saw it right before coming on air, that he is going to release the files on the assassination of John F. Kennedy Jr. He’s going to declassify those also on Martin Luther King Jr., which why that hasn’t been up till now is beyond me. Charlie wants UFOs next. Trump said this is a big one. He signed the order to make that happen. Lots of people have been waiting for this one for years, for decades, and everything will be revealed. Now, I have no idea what we’re going to learn from this. This will be big news. Trust me, when this comes out, it will be big news. There’s speculation, and a lot of people feel like it’s the CIA that were involved in probably both of those. And in fact, if that’s the case, of course, it will put there’s already distrust inside government as is. That’ll do nothing but feed that even more. And maybe that maybe Donald Trump understands that, knows all the repercussions, understands what may happen after that. Some of the revamping that you potentially could then, you know, dovetail into. Honestly, I don’t know, folks. I don’t know what’s in those at all. But it’s interesting that he is finally releasing those. Dave, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, John. Hey, I just wanted to expand a little bit about what you guys were just talking about, you and Joe. You know, what gets me is that how the Democrats seem to stage them and nobody holds a mirror up to them when they say, well, who’s going to pick our crops or who’s going to scrub our toilets and everything else? So what they’re asking for is a permanent underclass, a permanent slave class that’s working at the low wage level, because that’s what they don’t want to do. They don’t want to pay a living wage themselves. And so that’s what they’re saying. We want to import more slaves. Why isn’t people pointing out that hypocrisy of theirs.
SPEAKER 18 :
To your point, Dave, they literally want that quote-unquote slave labor. They are not willing to really even pay those individuals what they’re worth. They like that quote-unquote cheap labor. And by the way, I think there’s some Republicans, Dave, that fit into that as well. I don’t want to say that one’s a blanket statement on just the Democrat side, although, by and large, it’s more Democrats that feel that way than Republicans for sure.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it’s the Democrats who immediately point that out, you know, that, well, who’s going to do this? And my counter to that also would be, well, guess what? Before all these illegal aliens started coming in here, there were Americans who were doing those jobs. And the problem that I have with that, and I think you pointed it out before, is, you know, starting in the late 70s, 80s, right then, we really started in this country to push people in school to say, you need to go to college. Well, the thing is that, no, you don’t. There are plenty, and you’re one of them, plenty of successful people who become giant successes without ever stepping foot on a college campus.
SPEAKER 18 :
True.
SPEAKER 09 :
as opposed to most people who went to college and now are asking for loan forgiveness of hundreds of thousands of dollars because they’ve got a worthless degree.
SPEAKER 18 :
Very true, Dave. Very, very true. And by the way, too, I got to thinking about this as Joe was talking, even on, okay, you’ve got to clean hotel rooms and bathrooms and offices and things along those lines. Well, Dave, I also know that as we continue to make advancements, and yes, there will always need to be some physical labor and some of the things that you and I are talking about. But as these robots, even the Elon Musk and stuff, are working on as we speak, as more of that comes around, and believe me, it will, AI and so on, when you can get machines – to come in and do some of the very things that we’re now requiring humans to do, and maybe all a human has to do is supervise what these machines are actually doing, you don’t need as many of those people any longer. And trust me, Dave, that day is coming.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, it is. And I’ll tell you what, all we’ve got to do is look at the basic thing that the majority of people have right now, myself included, which is a robotic vacuum.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
I set it to clean at a certain time of the day, and it turns around and it vacuums the whole house without me having to lift a finger.
SPEAKER 18 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’d also like to bring up, you know, when I was in Europe several years back, seven, eight years ago, public restroom in Paris, France, you go in, you use the restroom, it closes behind you. When you leave, it closes, and then it cleans itself. It scrubs itself.
SPEAKER 1 :
They’ve
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. Yeah. And my point, Dave, on that, and as you know, and Joe knows, as I said earlier, when there’s more of a need because you can’t find all the people that you need to fill some of these other roles, we will devise things like that or use things that are already existing or perfect some of these things that are already existing. And by the way. that creates a whole other economy of scale because now you’re going to be going in and retrofitting, you know, toilets and things along those lines to where you put, you know, we had the invention of self-cleaning ovens way back in the day. Well, we will get to a point where there will be self-cleaning toilets as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes. And, you know, it’s one of those things where another thing that people got to realize is, sure, they may come in as field workers. They may come in as nannies or maids or whatever else. But I’ll tell you this, they’re not going to stay there. Because they want exactly what every other American wants, which is to advance. And so they’re going to leave those jobs within two to three years, on average. That’s what the statistic is. They’ll leave those jobs, and they’ll go off to something that’s better paying, higher paying, and now… Those middle class jobs are going to be threatened because there’s going to be people who come in from other countries. I mean, the Democrats are trying to do that with certifications. They want to be able to bring in people who said, well, I’m certified in my country as an engineer or as a nurse or as a doctor or as this or that, a pilot. And they’re going to say, well, we’re going to accept that certification without you having to recertify here in the States. I mean, that’s just madness. We’ve got different. I agree. We have different standards. Requirements.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
Different.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. No, Dave, good stuff. And again, yeah, I’m with you. And as we talked even with Joe, as the need comes up, and this would be my argument back to the lefties, as the need arises and we have to do things differently because of a lack of or an opportunity of, that’s what we as Americans have done previously. For years, we want to get that back. We want these new inventions. We want to see things done along those lines. Because, no offense, Dave, at the end of the day, we want to see people lifted up and, frankly, not having to do those jobs and find something better in the economy to do instead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely. That was the whole purpose behind, you know, everybody working a minimum wage job. Hey, this is just to get you going.
SPEAKER 18 :
To jumpstart.
SPEAKER 09 :
To come to work on time. Yeah, it was to train you for the working world. You were never meant to stay there forever.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, there’s plenty of, like Joe pointed out, there’s plenty of us who grew up with relatives who, grandparents or whoever, who had a farm and you went out and you helped and everything else and you realized, either I like this kind of work and this is something I want to do or… This is a little something I probably don’t, I’m not good at, and I probably should go and do something else.
SPEAKER 18 :
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SPEAKER 18 :
All right, wrapping things up on this Thursday. Again, tomorrow, don’t forget, we always have movies. Andy’s got some great ones. Let me go look at those really quick because I don’t memorize those. So tomorrow we have Inheritance and Flight Risk. Both of them look pretty good. I don’t know whether they will be or not. We’ll find out from Andy tomorrow, of course. And then the second hour we’ll do movies with spies. So spy movies is what’s going to be second hour. Okay, one thing before we end today’s program that I wanted to get in here is Trumps. Warning to FEMA literally telling them you haven’t done your job. And we knew this was coming because, frankly, they haven’t. And Trump, in this particular article, I think he did an interview with Sean Hannity, and basically talks about how, you know, when I was running things, I had FEMA rolling along. You know, we had issues that came up in different parts of the country, hurricanes in Florida, Alabama tornadoes, and we did really well at coming in as a response and taking care of things quickly and got things back on track. gone away in this particular administration. So he’s basically putting FEMA on notice that, hey, changes are going to be made. And I think what he’s really trying to say is, if you are part of this regime that hasn’t done things correctly and you have added politics into what you should be doing in your job as somebody that works for FEMA, you probably aren’t going to be around any longer. I think the biggest thing Donald Trump has to figure out next, and I know he’s working on this, is how do you fire federal workers? Because, by the way, that’s not easily done. I’ve been following somebody on social media that talks about that and the fact that that’s easier said than done. So that’s going to be interesting in the next few weeks here to see exactly how Trump and his advisers figure out ways to eliminate certain federal workers that, frankly, refuse to do their job without having politics involved. All right, that’s it for today. Join us again tomorrow. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
