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In this episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush welcomes Larry Barron from Power of the Future to discuss the intricate web of politics and energy. With California’s governor Gavin Newsom signing a significant number of climate bills while surprisingly expanding oil production, the conversation delves into the motivations behind such seemingly contradictory actions. Listeners are invited to explore the implications of these decisions on California’s economy and Newsom’s political aspirations. As gas prices threaten to skyrocket in California, impacting not only residents but also potential electoral outcomes, the dialogue shifts to considering the broader effects of these
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Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Welcome back. Larry Barron’s joining us now. Power of the Future. Larry, welcome back. How are you?
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m great. Hope everyone’s doing well on your end as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
We are. It’s always a joy to have you, although talk to us about Gavin Newsom, who we all know he has spent years and years and years demonizing gas, oil, all of that. Is he changing course, or is he just doing this because he has to?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes and yes, to answer your question. It is a different course that I think you and the environmental community are getting worked up about, but you are correct to ask that question of, is he just doing it for political reasons? And that is absolutely true. So what has happened is in a slew of climate bills, he tried to cover his tracks, but one of the bills he signed to expand oil production in California up to 2,000 permits per year for the next 10 years. And so when you look at someone like Gavin Newsom, who is just bemoaned and absolutely said that fossil fuels are the most evil thing on the planet, and for him to say, okay, let’s go ahead to expand it, it does raise some eyebrows. But let’s be clear, gas is going to continue to rise in California, and he wants to be able to say, oh, shucks, I did all I could. He knows that this would just probably be a token effort, but he just wants the soundbite to be able to say, he did something. But like I said, it is interesting when you look at the politics because he wants to no longer be governor. He obviously wants to move up in his position. And the other governors that potentially would challenge him are doubling down on the Green Movement. And so this could be a headache to the center for his future political ambitions.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I mean, moving to the center is obviously something he wants to do if he wants to look presidentially. I still don’t think he has a chance there. But… He’s got two big problems. Number one, they’ve been hemorrhaging tax dollars because when all these oil companies and all that oil production leaves California, you’re losing immense tax dollars. They don’t absorb all the subsidies. They pay them. OK, and I think that’s been really killing their budget. But I wanted to ask these 2000 new drilling permits. Are any of these going to be offshore? Because the offshore oil that they have in California, if they want it, is unbelievable.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, and that’s one of the marks that… Well, then they’re idiots. Yeah, to appease the environmental. He says the offshore moratorium, as far as state permits are concerned… will still be in place. These are going to be in Kern County, California, which is an oil-rich part of California. But you’re exactly right on the history. Chevron got its start in California. Yeah, it recently left, but California was a massive oil-producing state early in its history, early in the history of American oil production, and Gavin Newsom has completely killed that. But to your point, they always loved the money. They didn’t love the oil, but somehow they always cashed the checks.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, why is it 465? Okay, I mean, I know a lot of it’s their taxes. What goes into that?
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s a good point. A lot of it as well as infrastructure. And so California is, I know it’s not an island, but in a lot of ways it’s tried to make itself an island, particularly when it comes to energy. And so they are shutting down refineries, and that was part of this. There are two refineries that are slated to close down within the next six or so months, six or seven months.
SPEAKER 05 :
Ouch.
SPEAKER 13 :
They got left off. And so as we talk today, they’re still going to get shut down. So the logistics of it. So, yes, you can extract more oil. But as you all know, you’ll have to process it and move it around. And they have just attacked infrastructure as well. And so infrastructure is part of it. Taxes are part of it for sure. But California has always decided, you know what, we’re going to try to be different and get our electricity different, get our oil different. And so it forces them to import their electricity, to import their oil. And that drives up costs.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and it’s been far too long, and people out there, as you know, Larry, are in some cases fed up. They’re deciding, listen, I don’t need to do this. I can go someplace else. I can own In-N-Out and be a billionaire and still move someplace else. I can own Tesla and SpaceX, and I can move someplace else. I mean, I can be a bigwig, quote-unquote, and they are, and decide, you know what, Larry, enough’s enough. I’m moving somewhere else. And by the way, they’re not the only ones doing it. There’s average Joes doing the same thing.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, you’re exactly right. Although I’m sure no one from California has moved into Colorado.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, not a soul, Larry.
SPEAKER 13 :
None. But your point is exactly the right one. Those who can afford to leave have done so. Sadly, they’re probably trying to export some of that failure into other states. But look at the folks that are left in California. One of the reasons Gavin Newsom did this is by one estimate, gasoline in California could be as high as $8 a gallon within the next couple of years.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 13 :
And so I think he sees that that’s probably going to happen. And he wants to say, oh, well, look, I tried everything. I even tried to increase oil production. And when gas prices go up, he also wants to, in a few years, blame President Trump and said, oh, here was a guy who ran on energy. Look what happened to you, California. I even increased oil production. Like Trump said, it didn’t work. And so it helps him in a lot of those political ways, unfortunately. If you live in California, it doesn’t help you one iota.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but Larry, how’s he going to be able to sell that when the rest of the country is still having $3 gas? I don’t understand how that’s going to work.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think, and that is the exact right question to ask, and that’s the question I ask as well until I realize you have to. understand the mind of gavin newsom on the last night general it is not about getting results because everyone’s like well that won’t get any results why would you do that it’s about your intentions it’s about how much money you spent on it and the gosh shucks i tried that is how the left measures things they don’t measure things and results look at what they do with schools well We have bad school performance. Yeah, but look at all the money we spent on it. Look at that. We’re sending more money. They always measure themselves on attention, and what they’ve done, they never measure on results.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re right. No, you are 1,000% correct. That is exactly what they do, Larry. Okay, Power of the Future. Talk to us about that. How do folks find you?
SPEAKER 13 :
Sure. I appreciate it. They can head over to our website, PoweroftheFuture.com, just because on the Internet it’s all one word. And if they want to send me any hate email, a Gavin Newsom’s press agent, my email is Larry at PoweroftheFuture.com.
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Larry, it’s always a joy having you. Keep up the great work.
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You guys are the best. Stay cool.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. $5 a gallon gasoline in California. If it gets to that point, Andy, what happens?
SPEAKER 09 :
I believe they’ll lose a couple house seats.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think you’re right.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it’s going to help Trump in 26.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is one of those universal problems that people hate.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. I mean, look, they will tolerate having it in the fours, which, by the way, you in California, you’re stupid. You’re stupid. You shouldn’t tolerate that at all. You don’t have to have that. You don’t have to have that at all. Why do you have to have such high taxes on it? You know why? Because you drove away a lot of the petroleum industry. Okay?
SPEAKER 15 :
Which is the same things happening in Colorado.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Which we’re doing here in Colorado. And now, what is that doing? It blows my mind right now. Here, Pulse is coming to us. Oh, we’ve got a billion-dollar shortfall. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, you created it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Downtown. The number of oil companies downtown has shrunk dramatically, John. And those oil companies were paying huge tax dollars into the coffers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Should have expanded them, not shrunk them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you should have been recruiting them.
SPEAKER 15 :
The problem is Polis listened to a small faction of the state called the environmentalist wackos that were out there. He listened to these nutjobs and thought that that was the right way to go, that that’s what everybody in Colorado wanted. The reality is that’s not what everybody in Colorado wanted. And he’s doing the, how should I say this, Andy? He’s paying homage to the wrong group.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Well, you know what? John, what do you always say about Blackhawk and gambling?
SPEAKER 15 :
You don’t do it. Yeah, I’m not in favor of it. It’s not a good bet, right? Yeah. Okay. No, but, you know, hey, knock your socks off.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, people are saying, Andy, what are you talking about? Here’s what I’m talking about. They made a bad bet. They were betting. The Democrats here in Colorado were betting on the left running the national government forever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And having all this green energy and all this other nonsense.
SPEAKER 09 :
All the massive subsidies were going to keep pouring into Colorado, pouring into Colorado for these worthless energies that cost way too much per amount of energy that you make.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that got pulled back.
SPEAKER 09 :
That got pulled back, and now what are you going to do? What are you going to do there, cowboy? You just got rid of real energy that was paying the bills.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
And now you’re wondering how to do it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, in this last legislative session, instead of sitting down and saying, guys, time out, guess what? We kind of screwed up. You know, we probably ought to go to these oil and gas companies.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Have some apologies. Let’s do a little whining and dining. Let’s get them back here. Let’s do our best to try to get some of these things reopened up. Let’s get things back online. Unleash permits. Yeah, let’s get as many of these things going again as we possibly can. We’ve got to do some backtracking here. Yeah, it’s not going to look great, but guess what? We can still do it. We’ve got time. Let’s get this done.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and here’s how you could sell it, even not to the hard left, but I mean to the middle. You could say, oh, yeah, we were against fracking, but fracking technology finally has advanced. That’s all we’ve been waiting for. There’s all sorts of ways you could catch that, Andy. Absolutely. Absolutely. Here is the thing. If we unleash fracking here in Colorado, the amount of natural gas and oil we would get in Colorado would be enormous. And by the way, not just oil and natural gas. We should also be courting nuclear, and we should also be courting mining.
SPEAKER 15 :
Really quick, the other way you could couch that is we have this thing called the PUC. You could even go to XL Energy and say, listen, guys, we’re going to unleash oil and natural gas, which we know you guys resell a lot of.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
So here’s what we want. We want a deal. We’re going to allow you to continue to do what you’re doing, but we want some things lowered. We want to be able to come to the people and say, guess what? We’re going to unleash natural gas, especially in Colorado. And guess what Xcel Energy is going to do? They’re going to lower your rates. Yeah. So you’re not going to have these high prices any longer. We’re going to unleash enough to where we’re going to bring the price of all of this stuff down. And you make a deal with them, under the table kind of a deal. Right. Or guess what, Xcel Energy? If you want to keep doing the things you’re doing, this is what you’re going to do. And by the way, that’s doable, Andy. You can get that done.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah. If the Democrats were to do that, then they can turn around and they’re going to have votes forever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now you come back and say, look what we did.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, the problem is that Colorado has become too blue. Joe will be to you in just a second here. Colorado has gone so blue, Democrats don’t have to do anything. The environmentalist, wacko left has seized such control here in Colorado. But one last thing. Both in Colorado and in California, they better realize something. There are some house seats available that are on the margin, and they are endangering them.
SPEAKER 15 :
The same thing could happen here. Absolutely. Joe, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Guys, you may not recall, but California, there are two major… First of all, California, by the way, mandates a special blend of gas that is only sold in California. And… As of right now, there have been two refineries. One is Valero and the other, I think, is, hang on, Phillips 66 and Valero. They had two refineries. Well, Phillips 66 four months ago said, hey, that’s it. We’re done. We’re closing down first quarter of next year. And then last month, Valero said, yeah, yeah, we’re going to close our plant too, which means that This special gas that is only available in California is now going to be refined in some other state and has to be trucked in. And the experts are predicting that might result in a rise of up to 75%. And forget $5 gallon, the experts are predicting gas would hit $10. could very well hit $8 a gallon in California next year.
SPEAKER 09 :
If that happens next year, then I guarantee you, Joe, then I guarantee you those House seats in California, which, by the way, they won back in the last election narrowly in 24. They’re going back our way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Well, anyway, so that’s the big wild card. Again, they’re both Valero. It won’t happen in the first quarter because both Valero and Phillips 66 are We’ll continue operating those refineries, I think, through the end of the first quarter, maybe even through June. But once they both shut down and, you know, they’re waving bye-bye, you know, all that special gas. And by the way, in the out-of-state refineries, they’ll be able to charge, since there won’t be any more competition. If you were an out-of-state refinery in California, hey, can you make us a special blend of gas? What would you charge?
SPEAKER 15 :
Double.
SPEAKER 06 :
Double?
SPEAKER 15 :
If I was in Nevada, which is where that would likely come from, if you’re in Nevada going to ship that into California, that’s exactly what you’d do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, Nevada’s going to clean up.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
Not counting the transportation cost. I mean, just talking, again, remember, supply and demand, they need it. You’re going to be able to produce it. So putting aside the trucking cost, which is a whole separate expense. Oh, yeah, you want to – how about $6 a gallon wholesale plus freight?
SPEAKER 09 :
But you’re saying that the price increases are going to lag well into election season, so it’s going to be tougher for the Republicans to sell, hey, this is coming. It’s much easier to sell something and say, hey, it’s here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it all depends how quickly – I think Phillips 66 might shut down end of first quarter. That’s rough. But that will give you some of that bump in Q2. of next year, which is still six months before the election.
SPEAKER 15 :
And really quick for you guys, Joe, you might already know this. I did not know this. I just asked AI, does California have pipelines coming into the state whereby some of this refined product could be brought in cheaper than actually trucking it, Joe? Guess what? They have none.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 15 :
There is no pipelines coming into California. So like us in Colorado, we’ve got pipelines that come up out of Oklahoma and Texas, places like that, Joe, where we get some refined product out of our Suncor refinery and some is piped in through pipelines. California doesn’t have
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, really quick here. Joe, isn’t that infrastructure stupidity basically the same as their water infrastructure stupidity in L.A. leading into the fires?
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. They had that reservoir dry for, what, 18 months? Yep.
SPEAKER 15 :
So here’s the other thing. They bring it in right now either self-supplied or they bring it in via fuel ships. So they have ships that come in. And their pipelines are the opposite. They export refined fuel. They don’t import any. And I don’t know if those pipelines, Joe, can even be reversed.
SPEAKER 06 :
I doubt it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I highly doubt it because the way the pumps and stuff work, I highly doubt they can reverse it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. But again, they’ll stop doing that, too, because both Valero and – And Phillips 66 was down in the south end by, you know, somewhere near San Diego. So they kind of, you know, they kind of, well, you know, they had like northern half of the state and southern half of the state. But it’s going to be bang, bang, you know, your two biggest refineries waving bye-bye. And those are the ones making that special.
SPEAKER 09 :
Are they talking about this out there? I mean, they’ve got to be talking about it. It’s got to be huge. When you say talking about it, I mean, it’s a done deal. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, in the news. I mean, the people on the street. Are people talking about this and saying, hey, man, this is coming? Or are most Californians completely unaware of what’s coming?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, it’s completely going to be complete. Now, it may become an issue, you know, first quarter next year when Phillips 66 shuts down and lays off, I don’t know how many people work at their refinery. Wow. And by the way, talk about coming to Colorado. One of the fastest growing cities in the United States is St. George, Utah. People are just fleeing just literally over the border to St. George, Utah. And by the way, the people who are leaving California are the ones who can afford to leave. You know, when you look at, you know, these are not the people who rent a U-Haul truck. These are the people who hire United Van Lines to move them out. And California is, I think, either two or three in terms of net. and net loss of population, which includes the influx of illegal immigrants. So if you’re still losing net population despite, you know, I don’t know, half a million, million new illegal immigrants every year, what’s happening to your tax base?
SPEAKER 15 :
Goes away.
SPEAKER 06 :
Goes away. And by the way, every municipality in the state, every state, city, fireman, police officer, park ranger, belongs to their equivalent of parents calipers California employee pension plan that pension plan is currently underfunded by $90 billion $90 billion. And when it runs dry, which it could very well happen in the next five years. I think Gavin was counting on Biden or some Democrat president to bail him out.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep, I think you’re right. That’s exactly what he was thinking. Just like Andy was talking about here in Colorado, you know, we’ve let a lot of the oil and gas companies go. Not go. We’ve shoved them out of the state, by the way. We pushed them out of the state. And I think Andy’s right, Joe. I think Polis and all of his cronies thought. oh, we’ll have all this green energy. We’re going to be in the White House for years and years now. The reality is, you know, we’ll have all this other green energy development and so on. We’ll be OK. We don’t need oil and gas anymore. We’ll shift gears, go someplace else, and we’re going to be just fine. And that’s not what happened.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And by the way, Chevron moved. Chevron did have its corporate headquarters in California. Chevron bailed. Oracle, the largest, you know, Larry Ellison, Oracle, they’re leaving. I’ve got a long, long list of corporations that And you mentioned In-N-Out Burger. So, yeah, they’re, you know, Tesla, Chevron, Oracle, In-N-Out. It’s a very long list.
SPEAKER 09 :
I hope they have their own trucks to move because you can’t find any in California nowadays. I’m kidding, of course. But, I mean, in California right now, finding a moving truck to leave the state is almost impossible.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, this is six months old, but I read, even for those who have been using U-Haul, I read somewhere that if you wanted to rent a U-Haul one way, like from California to, say, Texas, that was some astronomical number, like $6,000 for a U-Haul. If you wanted to rent a U-Haul from Texas back to California, it was like $150. They just wanted to get the trucks back into the state.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s hilarious. That’s how bad the imbalance is. So, again, I mentioned it was the high-income people using United Van Lines, but The U-Haul folks are leaving in droves, too. That’s why these are either no one-way rentals outbound or $6,000 to rent a little box truck, because they know they’re going to have to bring it back, pay somebody to bring it back. And that’s a fairly good indicator of which way the net migration is going in that state.
SPEAKER 09 :
Unreal.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We talked earlier, Andy, in the last hour about some of this coming from the text line whereby certain individuals like the killer of Charlie Kirk registering as unaffiliated because it does what for them as Democrats?
SPEAKER 09 :
It adds objectivity. This is a big reason why, and by the way, it’s not just Democrats. It depends on who it is, what area they’re living in. When you register independent, then you can tell everybody, I’m open-minded. I’m not a one-sided. I don’t go with any party. I’m not closed-minded like those other people. Yes, you are. I don’t believe in the two-party system. Yeah. And yet, if you look at this kid on issue after issue, every issue that we know that he spoke on, he wasn’t just left-wing. He was in the far radical left wing of the Democrat Party. OK, he was to the left of AOC. All right. This kid was more Democrat than Democrat. He was bluer than blue.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right. He’s a Marxist at that point.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, of course. And so the what he was, he was a bitter kid who left his family. I want to stop you for just one minute.
SPEAKER 15 :
Those of you that are on the left and even those of you that text me, how do you not call yourself a Marxist? Everything that left stands for, the Democrat Party stands for, is a Marxist agenda, a Marxist ideology. So how, in particular, you that are texting, how is it you can say that you’re not a Marxist with a straight face?
SPEAKER 09 :
Every single thing that they say they do for society, for America. All of it bubbles down to this. From each according to his ability to each according to his need. These people have more. Those people need more. Get them more. And if you don’t, you hate people. You’re evil. You are a tyrant. So look, you guys are Marxists all the way. And here’s the thing. Every single nation around the world that uses your economy, people are running from those to come to ours. They’re running from your economy to come to our economy from all over the world. Every state that uses more of your ideas, people run from those. We were just talking about California. They run from those to go to red states. Every urban area where people use more of your ideas, your economic ideas, and they just lavish money on illegals and lavish money on this and spend money on that and take it from the, you know, and try to, in New York, tax the living daylights out of the rich, right? What happens? People leave those places and they go to rural and outlying areas. You see it right here in Denver. Where do people move? Do they move into Denver or out, John? They are expanding out. We call it urban sprawl. Okay. And so unfortunately, what do they do? They go out into Aurora and now Aurora is blue. It’s unfortunate. These people don’t seem to understand. And the reason is why. Because they are locusts. They do not create.
SPEAKER 15 :
They devour.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, they devour. All they do is move on to the next place where they can devour more.
SPEAKER 15 :
Look at any blue run city that’s been that way for any length of time and tell me it’s better today than it used to be.
SPEAKER 09 :
Never.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s not.
SPEAKER 09 :
Never. And also, look at every blue-run city and look at the surrounding cities. Now they’re worse. Why? People fled that city. They’re locusts. Because they’re spillover. Yeah. Locusts, John, don’t plant and water and grow.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, they devour.
SPEAKER 09 :
They devour a field and move on to the next field.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that’s what these people do. And you guys, you’re Marxists. That’s what a Marxist does. Marxism works great as long as somebody else pays for it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct. No. And I say it all the time. I’m at the point where I’m not going to call the left the left anymore. You’re Marxist. If you’re somebody that doesn’t consider yourself to be a Marxist, then I would highly recommend you check yourself and why is there a D next to your name. If anything, you need to move in at least that unaffiliated column to where you’re not affiliating yourself with a Marxist agenda, which is for sure what’s on the left, by the way. Those of you that don’t believe me, I encourage you. In fact, I appeal to you. Go read.
SPEAKER 09 :
the entire agenda of the democrat party oh yeah and tell me that it’s not marxist it is purely marxist purely marxist it is all about re you know um redistributing what other people have created right in other words you’re going to consume that move on to the next field we’re going to steal from one Yes, to buy votes from the other.
SPEAKER 15 :
To buy votes from the other, yeah. And it literally is. It’s theft. It’s modern-day thievery. We’re basically going to take from one and give to another because we don’t think you should have had it in the first place.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, John, people shouldn’t be surprised.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, you didn’t build that. Obama said that himself. You didn’t build that. We did. Yeah. You didn’t build that. We did.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because, well, you know, you had these workers and this. Hey, who gave them jobs?
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
The hell I didn’t build that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Who had the idea? Who put in all the late nights and all the time and effort and energy and took the risk and rounded up the money and everything else?
SPEAKER 09 :
Took the risk. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
But you didn’t build that, Andy. Jeez. That was Obama’s exact words. You didn’t build that.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, John, it’s not a surprise. When you look at all these urban areas that they’re overrun by crime and people say, oh, you’re making it a black thing. No, I’m not. I don’t see any black Republicans running out there and knocking over 7-Elevens. This is you guys. It’s not a race thing. It’s an ideology thing. Okay. You liberals. don’t believe in creating, you are locusts. You know what locusts do? They destroy. And if somebody does want to be destroyed, you kill them, you mug them, you take their car, you carjack them, you do whatever you got to do until somebody stops you by force.
SPEAKER 15 :
Case in point, what did Obama ever build prior to becoming president?
SPEAKER 09 :
Nothing. He was a community organizer.
SPEAKER 15 :
Good Lord. Meaning he was a community stirrer. Right. He was a pot stirrer. That’s what he really was.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes. He was the least qualified person ever to be president.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Ever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Ever. By far. Ever in the history of the United States of America.
SPEAKER 09 :
Say what you want about Joe Biden. He was very qualified. Way more than Obama. Obviously, Trump was magnificently qualified. Okay. And, you know, people are so surprised at how successful Trump has been on the world stage. They shouldn’t be.
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 09 :
Nobody understood the world like he did.
SPEAKER 15 :
Even his comments today to the UN about how stupid green energy is. Yeah. His exact comments basically were, you know, this is a lie. It’s a trick. It’s a fleecing. It’s the greatest scam ever produced upon mankind. And a lot of you with countries have bought into it. And if you don’t stop doing it, it’s going to crush your country.
SPEAKER 09 :
And you know why he says that, John? It’s so simple to him. How much investment do I have to put in to get how much energy out? That’s it. That’s all I want to know. How much total investment? It could be money, it could be water, it could be land, it could be whatever. How much total investment do I have to put in to get how much energy out? And the second you look at that, you realize, oh my gosh, these green energies are an unbelievable scam.
SPEAKER 15 :
And as I’ve said many, many times, could have talked about this with Larry, by the way, but we can do it on our own because we’re as much of an expert in this area as anybody. It’s no such thing as green energy anyways. I hate that terminology because there’s no such thing. Because by the way… Without petroleum-based products, i.e. oil, they don’t exist. You can’t even produce what these guys would consider to be green energy, that be windmills, solar panels, things of that nature. You can’t produce any of them without having the oil in the first place, Andy. Right. Period. It doesn’t happen. No. Not at all. Without it. And this is, by the way, the Marxist movement and what they really want. What they really want at the end of the day is for us to go back into the Stone Age because they hate people. They don’t like people at all. People are a scourge on the earth. They just want to see us wiped out altogether anyways, Andy. Yeah. Except themselves.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, it blows my mind. And they know, they know, even for their wonderful things, their luxuries, we’ll get back into electric cars. I think they’re a great product. Don’t get me wrong. But you need a lot of minerals for that car.
SPEAKER 15 :
And all sorts of other things.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which, by the way, you don’t get without oil either.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. First of all, you don’t get it without oil. Secondly, you really don’t get it without mining. And they want all the mining to be overseas. They want all the oil to be overseas. They want all the mining to be overseas. And it’s just like, you know what, guys? That mining is good work. It’s good jobs.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not in my backyard. Dan in Blackhawk, go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
So Trump understands it’s called ROI or return on investment.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right. So not only is it a return on investment in the companies that would drill for fossil fuels and extract the fossil fuels and make money off of it, but it also benefits the people that they’re serving because And that’s a return on investment for the people that are consuming the energy because they don’t have to spend as much money on energy and they have more money to spend on other things. That’s right. If they want to spend it or if they want to save it or if they want to invest in a company of their own, they’re going to have… more money to invest, or if they want to invest in the oil itself, they’re going to get a return on investment on that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Really quick on that, Dan, I want to add one more thing to that, too, that I think Trump also fully understands, which, by the way, most lefties don’t, is he also understands the multiplier in everything you’re talking about. Not only the initial return on investment, but the multiplier that goes along with that, which you understand.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. And then he praised China for… creating the the windmills he says great for china it’s great for china and china’s you know basically what you said policing the other countries how many other countries buy into the windmills so i guess china is the one that’s making all the windmills so they’re all for green energy but then he said do they have windmills in china nope So he’s like, okay, they’re producing the windmills, but how come they don’t have windmills, guys? I mean, it’s like, how dumb do you need to be to understand that China doesn’t believe in windmills, but they’re more than happy to make them. No, they build coal plants, about one a week. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
For all of you listening, I’m not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, you aren’t.
SPEAKER 15 :
It ends up being almost one a week that they’re building coal-fired power plants as we speak.
SPEAKER 09 :
Coal, by the way, there’s another energy form that is fantastic for the bang for the buck. Yep.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and the greenies or the green whatever save the earth and fossil fuels bad for the earth, they want to control everything in the United States. I’m like, if you’re worried about the, what, greenhouse gas emissions is what they’re saying, You guys need to work with India and China in changing their policies if that’s a big deal. But good luck on that. Yeah, China’s going to say, go take a hike.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not going to happen. Yep, not going to happen. It’s not going to happen in China, not going to happen in India, not going to happen in places like Russia. Dan, I can go down the list of places where it’s just, you can ask all day long, it’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And the… environmentalists. Remember when the Iraq war happened and all the people went to Washington to protest no war for oil, but yet they drove to Washington to protest?
SPEAKER 15 :
No different than the guys in Washington that’ll protest oil and they show up in their car and their kayak and everything else, which they all forget was made out of plastic, which comes from oil.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and just go on another subject. Did you see, I think it was the A representative from Iowa was pointing out the federal bureaucrats. I think they prosecuted one guy that had three full-time jobs with the federal government.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow. I did not see that.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they have ten different HR systems for the federal government, and they don’t communicate with each other, so they can’t do a cross-check on those databases to make sure somebody’s in… in one database, they can’t go to the other database and verify that they’re doing it. So, I mean, this is how Trump wants to make America great again. It’s like, why do we have 10 different HR databases for the federal government? We should have one.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And then the GOA office, what is that? I forget.
SPEAKER 15 :
Government Accounting Office, GAO.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. Yeah, they can do their audit of those personnel records, and it would be a whole lot easier for them to to find people that are working full-time. And on top of it, the one guy was an advocate for working at home, and he abused it the worst with working, I think, three jobs. I mean, one person made $256,000 one year working three full-time jobs for the federal government. Wow. And they probably didn’t work more than 20 hours a week, would be my guess.
SPEAKER 15 :
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it is. So, anyways, great subject you’re talking about. Well, I appreciate it, Dan. No, thank you, as always. I appreciate it.
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SPEAKER 17 :
It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Always love Andy, by the way, when the left try to eat their own. Yeah, I love this. So this is a Starbucks story whereby there are employees, some of them, by the way, here in Colorado, that want to sue Starbucks, saying it’s illegal for Starbucks to force them into wearing certain attire at work, i.e. a black shirt with khaki pants, which, by the way, has pretty much been their… attire for quite some time. And what I say is the left eating the left. Starbucks is for sure a very leftist company.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, they’re almost Ben and Jerry’s.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, through and through, they are very leftist. And the majority of workers, not all, but a lot of workers that work at Starbucks. Very left. Very much on the left as well. And my gut feeling is these workers that are saying it’s illegal for Starbucks to require this, which, by the way, they don’t know the law very well. They’re actually pretty stupid. And they’re working for a company that believes just like them. So they’re going to just like go sue their parents is essentially what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and all Starbucks is asking what? That they have a black shirt underneath their… Black shirt, khaki pants.
SPEAKER 15 :
Khaki pants. And there’s something else.
SPEAKER 09 :
They can’t wear a certain facial… And they’re also providing two shirts for free.
SPEAKER 15 :
I didn’t see that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. They don’t have to, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s what I saw. Yeah, they don’t have to.
SPEAKER 09 :
I know that, but they are. That’s what I saw.
SPEAKER 15 :
So for those of you that don’t know what the law is, which I do and have known for years because owning businesses where, in certain cases, uniforms are required, here’s how it works. If you as an employer require your employees to wear a certain type of clothing that has your name on it, you are now required to provide that and also wash it for them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Wash it for them?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, you have to do the cleaning of said items as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
I can understand providing it for them.
SPEAKER 15 :
Colorado law.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because that’s basically functionally a uniform, and most places provide a uniform, but washing it for them?
SPEAKER 15 :
That is a Colorado law. I don’t know about other states, but in Colorado, if you require a uniform with your name on it, you are required by law to also clean said garment. So the way Starbucks gets around that is none of what they’re requiring the employees to wear has a Starbucks name on it other than their apron, which they handle the cleaning of and so on because that is something that Starbucks is required to do. But making a person wear a black shirt and khaki pants, as long as there’s no logo on it that says Starbucks, they are well within their right to have them wear that.
SPEAKER 09 :
John, where did they come up with having to clean it for them?
SPEAKER 15 :
Been that law for eons, Andy, for the last, at least in Colorado, 40 years.
SPEAKER 09 :
Why?
SPEAKER 15 :
Because when you require somebody to wear something specific with your name on it, you now own the garment per se because it’s your company garment.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no, I get that. I get that. And that’s why you’re required to wash it. Yeah, but you’re providing it free of charge.
SPEAKER 15 :
But you’re required to wash it as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because I’ve worked at places in Colorado where I had shirts that had their logo on it.
SPEAKER 15 :
By law, they’re supposed to wash it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Nobody cleaned it for me.
SPEAKER 15 :
They were supposed to. A lot of companies get around that.
SPEAKER 09 :
I wouldn’t even think of asking.
SPEAKER 15 :
A lot of employees don’t know this is the law. But yes, if you are required by your employer to wear a logoed shirt… And it’s required. Now, it can be voluntary. You can say, hey, if you want to wear this, wear it. If you don’t, don’t. Now, that’s different. If you just give them a shirt and say, you know what, if you want to wear this, go for it.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re going to expect it. And they should because you want everybody to look the same. It looks better for a business.
SPEAKER 15 :
Then you’re supposed to wash it.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s stupid.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s a lot of companies that can get around that. They shouldn’t have to. Well, I’m just telling you what Colorado law is. So, for example, in all of your auto technician shops where you see guys with their shirts with their name on it and the company name on it, that’s all done by uniform companies that provide those garments, and that company pays for that. And it’s not cheap.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, now wait a minute. I mean, obviously, the way you get a garment dirty working as a mechanic, that’s different.
SPEAKER 15 :
But it doesn’t matter. Even if they were working as an advisor and they wore a white shirt with the name on it and that white shirt stayed clean, you as a company are still required to launder that.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I know that. I’m just saying. Just looking at it logistically, the difference. You see what I mean.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but again, the law is the law is the law, and they don’t care how it gets dirty.
SPEAKER 09 :
What do you think of the law? What do you think of it?
SPEAKER 15 :
Your opinion. It’s been that way in Colorado for so many years.
SPEAKER 09 :
Don’t care. What’s your opinion?
SPEAKER 15 :
I got used to doing it. I think if you’re a company that’s requiring somebody to wear something with your name on it, yes, you should launder it. That’s part of their benefit package. Yes, I think you should.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Yes. How do you know it’s, I guess they have to label it as theirs and you wash it and give it back to them?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, there’s uniform companies that do this, or you can launder them yourself. You can get your own washing machine, dryer, do it yourself if you’d like to, but there’s uniform companies that actually do this for you. That’s part of their service. And a lot of companies have it. I do.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ve never heard of this.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah. I’ve had it. That’s why there’s big, and there’s always a saying, and I believe this to this day, most uniform companies are run by the mafia. Okay. Like trash companies. Very similar.
SPEAKER 09 :
Ah, okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m not joking. It’s very similar to the way trash companies are. Uniform companies, trash companies, very much one and the same. In other words, be careful with the contract you sign because you’re never going to get out of it. Really? Oh, I’m not joking. Well, I’ve gotten out of them before because you have to read it and do everything exactly. So like in the uniform contract, if you want to change uniform companies, it’ll have some clauses say, we have to be notified in writing by certified mail on the 181st day prior to the contract ending. And I’m not exaggerating. It’s very specific. And if you don’t follow the letter of the law, it automatically renews.
SPEAKER 09 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah. It’s like dealing with the mafia. I’m not joking. It’s very much that way, Andy. Okay. Now, the reason why I think they should launder it, especially when you’re requiring your people to turn those back into you if they quit, and they’re really your shirts, your whatever at that point in time, yeah, you should be laundering those for your people if you’re doing that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, yeah, I’ve never been at a place that required you to turn them back in.
SPEAKER 15 :
In a lot of cases, if you wear a polo shirt or something like that and it’s got your name on it and so on, they’ll require those back.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, like when we worked up at the casinos, of course, we had the polo shirts. They never wanted them back. I mean, they wouldn’t want them back.
SPEAKER 15 :
By law, they are supposed to launder those.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, okay. They didn’t. Nobody even thought of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re supposed to be.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that is something that, again, I coach businesses on and do that. Because what will happen is if you don’t do that and all of a sudden you run through a year and an employee starts to complain, guess what you’re going to be doing? You’re going to be reimbursing them for a year’s worth of laundry. By law, and they’ll make you. If they fought you, they’d win.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I believe you.
SPEAKER 15 :
I just have never thought of it. In this Starbucks case, for those of you that might be Starbucks employees listening to me, you don’t have a case. They’re not requiring you to wear something that says Starbucks on it. It just has to be a black shirt and khaki pants. In that case, they are well within the letter of the law to make you wear that to work for them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah. That makes sense.
SPEAKER 15 :
No different than if a bank said, you know what, you’ve got to wear a collared shirt and a tie to come to work.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but the question is, why is that a problem?
SPEAKER 15 :
For these people?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because they’re lazy, Andy. Why do you think? They’re cheap and lazy. That’s why. I think. That’s my answer. Black shirt? A black shirt and khaki pants. How hard is that?
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, how many people have black shirts? Most.
SPEAKER 15 :
Everybody has black shirts. Okay, so to keep your job, you go buy a couple more. How expensive are they? They’re not. It’s a black shirt. You know, they could talk to ICE. ICE probably has a lot. Well, right now, by the way. Yeah. I saw an ad. I did see this ad the other day. ICE is offering a $50,000 signing bonus to join ICE. But you’ve got to have skills, baby. $50,000 signing bonus. All right, we’ll take our last break. We’ll come right back. Might have time for one more call. We’ll squeeze in. Mile High Coin is up next. And as I always say, if you’ve been collecting things throughout the years, you want to turn that into cash, talk to Mile High Coin today, 720-370-3400.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Jeff, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, guys. How you doing?
SPEAKER 15 :
Good.
SPEAKER 07 :
Good. Good on the shirts. You know, I’ve been working up to casinos a long time, too, and as a dealer over the years, and I’m actually working up there now, and they’ve never washed our stuff. And I remember our shop did. Mastercraft, we always did. My mom was very big on that, and I agreed with you on that, too, is that They should be washed. I don’t know. How does the casino industry get out of it? Because those all have dealer shirts. Nobody discusses it.
SPEAKER 09 :
I was a manager up there, Jeff. Nobody discusses it. By the way, what you should do is demand that they wash it with you in it, and then you don’t have to shower. What do you think?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that works.
SPEAKER 07 :
But they have all the shirts. I mean, I’ve worked up there a long time. And if Dan’s still listening that calls in, he works for the casino up there. And I just wonder why the – I don’t know how the casino is. Casinos, too, used to be run by the Mafia, so they’re kind of the same way, I guess.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, you’re a dealer. The logo, is it on the vest or on the shirt? How do they do it at your place?
SPEAKER 07 :
Ours are on the, well, when I was at Ameristar, it was on the actual shirt. They were embroidered on our shirt. And the ones now, I know the guys where I’m at, it’s on their cuffs. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, yeah. If they make you wear that as a requirement of the job, they’re supposed to launder it for you. Oh, 100%. They’ll send you home. They’re not going to let you work without it on. Okay, well, they’re supposed to launder it for you. Sorry, I’m not trying to get any trouble. That’s just the law. It is what it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, it’s awesome that you knew. I didn’t know it was the law, but I just knew that when our shop, we always did. That was one thing that was… You know what I mean? And I remember it was, yeah, we never, never didn’t have uniforms licked clean for those guys. I’ve got to run.
SPEAKER 15 :
Jeff, thank you, by the way. Appreciate it. I’m not telling anybody what to do. I’m just telling you what. You can go look it up. By the way, that’s all over the Colorado Department of Employment website.
SPEAKER 14 :
John just started a black hockey union.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’ll go find that. Sorry. All right, we’ll be back tomorrow. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
