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All right, we are back, Rush To Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, Klz560, myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, Ben and Evergreen. What’s going on, sir?
Well, you know, about this election, something that’s kind of off the radar for a lot of people is, and I’m not sure how critical it is, but this last election, everybody said, well, it was stolen and this and that and the other thing. There was a guy on Klz, on Kim Munson’s show, and the last election, he said there was a couple of million people that they didn’t have the right information. You know, they were officially too old, they died, they were too young, and not all of them were fake or illegitimate.
Some were just unverified. So, even if Trump pulls ahead, who’s to say that it’s a fair election? The states do a lot of it.
This guy is suing a lot of them. And I’m thinking, is it really going to be a fair election? I mean, somebody could say, oh, of course it’s fair, you know, sour grapes.
Look.
Well, and what I’ve always said, Ben, and I’ll continue to stand by this, every election, probably since the beginning of time in this country and others. Somebody cheats, no doubt about it. There’s always going to be somebody cheating.
The best thing that one site can do is make sure they’ve got more votes and counter whatever that cheating is as much as they possibly can. Do we need to try to do everything we possibly can to shore up elections and make sure they’re fair? Some of the folks that I’ve, you know, true to vote, some of the folks that I’ve interviewed over the past, you know, even six months or so that are trying to do the same things this gentleman is doing to where they’re trying to make sure the roles are correct, that nobody’s on the role that shouldn’t be, that people that have moved out of the state are taking off, on and on we go.
Those things need to be cleaned up, you know, been constantly. And I’m not saying they shouldn’t be, but I mean, at the end of the day, is that the only thing that’s going to keep Donald Trump from winning?
No.
I agree. And I think, for me, you know, I think really it’s sort of a swing voter kind of thing. And you say people are making up their minds.
And I’m thinking, and with due respect to anybody listening or not listening, if between the two opposing sides, as a alleged reasoning adult, if you haven’t figured it out by now, it’s like this is not that hard.
Well, I, you know, for you, I and Andy, it’s not. I mean, I’m like you, Ben. It’s like, OK, hang on.
This really, you look at how life was under Trump. You look at what it’s like under Biden, knowing that this is just going to be Biden 2-0 moving forward. In fact, it’ll be even worse.
You talk about inflation at an all time high under Biden, wait till she gets her teeth into that thing. I mean, it’ll even get worse underneath her, Ben. So I mean, the reality is if you liked it under Donald Trump, it’s a pretty simple answer as to who to vote for.
But unfortunately, Ben, I had this conversation with somebody the other day outside of, you know, the show and so on. I mean, just talking to independent people. And the reality is, unfortunately, Ben, most people don’t have common sense anymore.
It’s gone.
It reminds me a little bit of a scene in a movie called Rounders. And this guy was behind the eight ball and needed to win some money back, this character in the movie. And the guy, he ends up winning.
And he says, you’re paying me back with my own money. Well, that type of grift is what is and has been going on with our taxes. Yes.
Yes, you’re right.
You’re winning. We’ve got equality. No, you’ve really got the beginning of communism or socialism.
Correct.
And some of that you need, because there are people with legitimate needs that, hey, man.
Yeah, we need some handouts slash handouts at times for the downtrodden, which I’ve heard Charlie Kirk, for example, give this explanation to people on the street talking about the very thing that you’re talking about. And keep in mind, Ben, not only do we have a government system that does the exact thing that you and I are talking about right now, but we’ve got everything in this country from food pantries run by churches, we’ve got homeless shelters, we’ve got places like the Denver Rescue Mission where people go get a bed, get a roof over their head. The reality is even outside of the government system, Ben, we have so many things in this country that keep people from starving.
And we talked about this with Dr. Kelly last week, by the way. Isn’t it amazing that in a country whereby we give more handouts than anyone, we are the most overweight country in the entire world, we don’t have a problem feeding people. Is my point.
Agreed. Although I think a lot of that’s, you know, manufactured.
No doubt. No, and that was her point. You know, we give out so much.
And yet it’s that low income individual that actually ends up eating worse than anyone else. And yet it’s all been given to them. And at the end of the day, they’re less healthy.
Yeah, we got to keep in mind in a lot of countries around the world, Ben, the low income person isn’t eating at all.
Yeah, they’re skinny as a rail because there’s no food.
Well, you know, I have a friend who’s lived abroad for 20-some years in 100-and-some countries. And most of them, because the media is sort of a pipeline, he says that NGOs are basically a farce.
You got it. I agree with him 100%. I’ve been to some of those countries he’s talking about, watched NGOs work.
He’s 100% correct.
And a lot of times, the locals, yeah, they’re poor by our standards. But look, I’ve been to like Guatemala. The only thing you need in Guatemala to run a farm, you could put it all on a kitchen table.
True.
And in their hand tools, it is hard. It’s kind of a hard scrabble life, but they get by. But are they gonna tell you, no, we’re not poor?
No, they’re poor by our standards. And it could use another 10% or 20% boost in income. But a lot of that, the slack gets taken up by…
And that’s one flaw, I guess you could say, with the market is when you get a raise, everybody selling stuff to you gets a raise. Right. So, but I’ve been there and it’s like, it doesn’t cost that much to eat.
You get three growing seasons. It’s a little bit of a farce. But back to the election thing.
Yeah, really, I have one question to ask you really quick before we move on. Right now, and I’m not going to say if the election was held today, because it’s not, it’s held in 49 days. What’s your gut feeling moving forward?
Who wins?
Huh.
I mean, to me, it’s like turning the river card in a poker hand, you know? I couldn’t say because the way the public is, so much can happen. I mean, for me, I was ready to vote four years ago, and I haven’t changed my mind one bit.
Kamala Harris, she has some impressive things that I think the American public, black, white, green, red, brown, Joe Sixpack, is going to be able to sort through it all and go, no, wait, wait.
Yeah.
She’s just promising too much.
Yeah.
She can’t deliver. And Trump, I mean, frankly, if I were Trump, I wouldn’t say all that much about her. I’d run on my record.
I agree.
Here’s everything I’ve done.
I agree.
And you tell me what she’s done.
Ben.
And I think. Yeah.
I’m sorry. I thought you were done. I’m sorry.
Quick question here. Do you think that it’s starting to get down to the voters? They’re starting to understand.
Wait a minute. This person saying everything she would do on day one when she’s been there for years. I mean, everything because Trump, one thing he did well in his debate was his summation at the end when he said, Look, why hasn’t she done any of it?
She’s been there for years. She’s acting like this. You know, she’s bringing all these promises.
Why hasn’t she done? She could have done this. She could do it tomorrow.
And he ended by saying, You could go down to that beautiful White House and start doing this tomorrow. Why not do it? Do you think that’s getting through to some voters?
I think it is because at the end of the day, it reminds me of a quote by Churchill. The Americans will do the right thing after they’ve tried everything else. And that was to get us into the war.
He made that quote to some chancellor or somebody over there in England. But I think when they say people are waking up, honest to God, I don’t know if they are. Great.
Welcome aboard. If they aren’t, I don’t know what to tell you. But I think the majority, I see some of these YouTube things.
You know, you get some guy from a neighborhood in New York. He’s like, he’s a black guy and he goes, yeah, he didn’t lie, he helped black people. We got, you know, Kamala Harris is bringing in the minorities and it’s taken out of our pockets and causing violence.
So and I think enough people, enough critical mass are starting to connect the dots. But I will say, like during the, what I call, shandemic, the veil was lifted from my eyes about the shallowness and the pliability of the American people, particularly during that. And you can tell them anything.
If you’ve got a fancy story with some shiny objects, a good pitch, you’re wearing a good suit, they’ll go for anything. And to me, that is incredibly shallow, short-sighted and stupid.
And sad.
I’ll leave it at that. Nope, that’s a good way to end. I’ll leave it at that.
Ben, appreciate you very much. Got to take a break. We’ll come right back.
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All right, we are back Rush To Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, Klz560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. All right, Colorado GOP.
We talked about Trump nationally, where we’re at, what’s going on there and so on. We’ve got races in Colorado that definitely need to be shored up, need to be won. We’ve got several things on the line.
What is Andy, the future of the Colorado GOP?
Well, it’s hard to say.
Right now it’s a divided party.
Yeah, and it’s going to be decided, the leadership portion of it will be decided in court on the 14th of October in an El Paso County court. And what’s basically happening is Eli Bremer and his team are taking Dave Williams. They are calling for the government, the law to evict them, to evict them from the state party headquarters and get them out.
And for those, maybe we’ve checked out of this for a while, let’s just check back in. What has happened is you had two meetings, one on the 24th and one on the 31st, right? And the Eli Bremer group, we’re calling them that now because they elected Eli Bremer state chair.
They held theirs on the 24th. It was originally to be held on July 30th and it was post. And the state party at the time was able to get a temporary restraining order issued against them with the judge to prevent that meeting.
And that’s why it wound up being held on 8-24, okay? However, that TRO, temporary restraining order, that was thrown out by the courts because they realized that Dave Williams had not provided them accurate information, as they said. They were given inaccurate information by the state party.
Look, I don’t want to get too far in the weeds. Let me make this really simple. On the 14th, they’re going to decide if the new group can throw out the old group.
And this is basically going to be decided upon which of the two meetings, 831 or 824, was legitimate.
So it’s really going to come down to the legitimacy of one of the two meetings.
Right.
Or I should say the legitimacy of both meetings, one being legit, one not being.
And I am going to predict that Eli will prevail in court. By the way, he’s been prevailing in court every time. He’s won every time he’s gone to court with them.
I’m not an attorney, but if you look at everything that happened in the setting up of the meeting that kept Dave as chair, that thing was as bogus as it got.
Right.
I mean, the meeting under the bridge, I mean, that meeting was about as invalid as you could ever have one be.
And that’s the big thing. Now, the 831 meeting, and you just brought it up, was set, was scheduled at the 719 meeting.
Right.
Okay, the 719 meeting is the meeting under the bridge.
And by the way, that was a hidden meeting. Nobody knew it was there. You couldn’t attend that meeting.
You know, it was so many things wrong with that. Right. I just don’t see that holding water, Andy.
And that’s the problem, because, as people may not know, the state party had originally set their meeting to be on 719. We were going to hold the meeting on 719. And the problem is, they said, at that meeting, all we’re going to do is adjourn immediately.
And set another meeting. For Labor Day Weekend, which is what they did.
On 831. Okay. Now, first of all, to hold a meeting only to adjourn it to set a later meeting, all you’re doing is postponing the meeting to decide, can Dave continue being leader of the party?
Correct.
Okay? And the problem with that is, you had to do that within a 30-day window. All right?
So, because you wonder, well, why did they even have the 719 meeting?
Because they had to.
Because they had to have it within a 30-day window of when a quorum, 25% of the party, had signed a petition and said, we want Dave Williams to be voted on, whether or not he can be retained in his position.
Which, really quick, for all of you that are out there listening on that side of the aisle, to talk about how that 25% wasn’t valid and they didn’t have a quorum and they didn’t have this. Oh, yes, they were. And they didn’t have that.
Well, then, why did they set the 719 meeting?
Right. You don’t need it then. Right?
Duh.
The reason they had to set the 719 meeting is because the 25% were valid.
It was valid. That’s right.
And by the way, not one name was ever invalidated on that list.
And there was a meeting held and a judge said the meeting could be held, and the meeting was held, and Dave was voted out, and some would say, well, yeah, but by and large, more people showed up for the second meeting than the first meeting. Honestly, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. There was enough people at the one meeting to oust Dave, and it is what it is.
Right. And the second.
And here’s the mistake that was made, by the way.
Go ahead.
On the part of those of you that are Dave Williams supporters, here’s your mistake. If you had that many people supporting him, you should have showed up at that initial meeting where Eli was actually then elected chair.
Yeah, they didn’t want to go.
You screwed up.
Right. Because you guys decided you didn’t want to play by the rules. Well, you didn’t want to validate the 824 meeting.
You didn’t want to make it look valid by showing up. Well, here’s the big problem. Your meeting on 831 was set at the meeting on 719.
Which was an invalid meeting anyways.
And here are the reasons why it was invalid. They’re very quick. Number one, you canceled it.
You officially canceled the meeting on the 19th. Okay. They canceled it.
Correct.
Number two, the location where you were going to hold it, you never rented.
It was secret.
Yeah, you never reserved that location. Therefore it got reserved by a candidate for another function.
And you had all of about three people at your meeting under the bridge.
Get into that. Get into that. Number three, you then decided to hold the meeting on the 19th anyway, without warning.
Number four, you held it at a separate location that was undisclosed. You had not disclosed to the… You hadn’t told everybody in the SCC, hey, here’s where the meeting is going to happen.
We’re going to have it anyway. Show up. Right.
Number five, this makes it even worse. A group of people who opposed Dave Williams didn’t trust him so much that they went to the original location on 719 to attend the meeting anyway, just in case it would be held. Right.
And by the way, Dave wasn’t there, Hope Sheppleman was. So, here’s what happened. Hope Sheppleman held that meeting, as you said, under a bridge.
Why under the bridge? She was hiding from the group that had come, the group of SCC members she did not want to attend. So, she was literally hiding from those members that she didn’t want to attend to hold her meeting under a bridge at a separate location.
I’m told it’s like 100, 200 yards away. Okay? They literally hid from them.
You can’t hold a meeting where you literally hide from members who are lawful members that you don’t want to be there. You can’t do that. Right.
Okay? And then, as you said, she didn’t have a quorum. She had four people total.
So, they didn’t even have a quorum. Now, that is the meeting where they set the 831 meeting.
Correct.
Okay. This is why I believe in court on the 14th of October, their meeting on 831 is going to be thrown out.
It will be an invalidated meeting because it’s just going to be a matter of, okay, you set that meeting up how?
You set that meeting up at a 719 meeting that in every way, shape and form violated your bylaws. You can’t have a meeting where you hide from other members of your conference so that they can not attend. You can’t have a meeting on a date you’ve already canceled.
You can’t have a meeting at a location you haven’t announced. You can’t have a meeting, you see what I’m saying?
Yes, absolutely.
Without a quorum.
Absolutely, Andy. Reality is it will be invalidated.
I believe so.
I don’t see how that one stands. For those of you that are on that side, I’m sorry, but I just don’t see a day of prevailing. It is a disruption into the party, no doubt about it.
Although I’ve been calling for days removal for well over a year now. Dave has been a party disruptor. If you want to blame anybody for disrupting the party, blame Dave and Hope themselves and Anna Ferguson.
You know, blame all three if you want to. Name all three of the key leaders in the party right now, because if you want to blame anybody for disrupting the party, it’s those three. And no, I’m not a rhino.
No. What brought this, look, what brought this all about, and we’ll go to break. What brought this all about, John, was not a bunch of malcontents saying, we don’t like them, let’s get them out of there.
Oh no.
What brought this about was 15 months of leadership, specifically and purposefully, attacking and dividing its own party.
Yeah, guys.
Which had never happened before.
I mean, I’ve done it so much, I don’t want to keep belaboring it, but the reality is, you know, the very first time I called for day’s removal, I think even Andy looked at me like, geez, John, that’s kind of harsh.
Yeah, I didn’t want to do it that soon, but you were like, no, I’m ready.
I’m like, this guy, I could just read through him at that point in time. I’m like, this guy is in it for one guy only. And guess who’s determined to be right in all of this so far?
Me, because guess who Dave has been in this for all the way through this? Dave. No one else.
Not the party, not any of his cohorts, not any of the candidates, by the way, not anybody else in the party besides Dave. He’s the only person that he’s looking out for.
Oh yeah, I mean, people will say, well, he looks out for Hope Shepleman only because she benefits Dave.
Anyone who…
Really quick there, Andy. He only does that part of the time. He throws Hope under the bus a ton.
When? I’ve never heard him say anything.
Just by not showing up, by not being there to support, by just letting her handle things all on her own.
Oh yeah, he should have been at that meeting.
He throws her under the bus constantly, Andy.
Why wasn’t he there?
Thank you.
What, are you busy?
Thank you. That’s what I mean by throwing her under the bus.
I get you.
On an ongoing basis, he does. Yeah. Me and he doesn’t hear about her either.
Folks, newsflash, Hope Shepleman has been running the Colorado GOP for the last several months.
Yeah, she’s the acting chair.
Ever since Dave got annihilated in his primary, He has disappeared.
He’s Joe Biden.
And she has been the chair.
He’s Joe Biden. And by the way, Am I right, Andy?
He’s Joe Biden. And by the way, she’s out there.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Hope is a very interesting person.
We’ll leave it at that.
We’ll leave it at that.
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All right. What’s going on actually inside of the Colorado GOP right now, if you ask me, is there is a certain amount of the party that is all about control, literally, which is not what our party is typically about. We’re usually about freedom.
You do your thing. You go out and get things handled. We don’t care about controlling you.
We want you to be free to do whatever it is you want to go do. But no, we have a certain faction of the party right now that wants to control the rest of the party.
Yeah. And let’s be honest, that faction is the Trump-only faction. And I, guys, I’m not, once again, I say this and people say, you don’t like Trump.
I love Trump. Okay. Well, you don’t think he can debate.
He can’t debate. I’m just honest about Trump. Okay.
Correct.
Here’s what has happened. The current state central committee, the SCC, is comprised of people who came up through caucus and assembly. Caucus and assembly is attended by less than 1% of Colorado Republicans.
These people have now been overrun by the Dave-only, Trump-only group.
Correct.
Here’s why I’m saying this. The SCC does not currently represent Colorado Republicans at large. This is why they endorsed 18 candidates and lost in contested primaries.
14 of them got pummeled.
Right.
And I mean, a lot of these, you had losses like Dave lost by over 30 points.
Right.
You had huge losses where they were, they were getting crushed across state. Basically this, the SCC traditionally represented Colorado Republicans. Yes, they would vote on them.
The state central committee is what you’re saying.
The state central committee.
Right.
Represented Colorado Republicans. By the way, there are a lot of wonderful people on the SCC. I love them.
I love them all. You know, including the Trump onlies. I love them all.
Hey man, God love you. Thank you for fighting for our side. I’m there with you.
Okay. But do you represent the will and the people of the Colorado Republican Party across the state? Do they, John?
No, they do not.
Not even close.
They’re not even close. They are completely out of touch with their own party. So here’s the problem.
Right now, the Colorado Republican Party is being run by people who are completely out of touch with the Colorado Republican Party. Because most of the people in the party, 99%, have totally abandoned caucus. Over 99% of Colorado Republicans don’t go to caucus.
They have no interest in it anymore. And because of that…
They’re tired of all of the inside politics.
Right. And because of that, a small, determined group that meets at all these Liberty meetings realized we can take over caucus and assembly and thereby take over what, John? The party.
Yeah, we can literally run the party.
Right.
Which is what they’ve done, only they’ve run it into the ground.
Right. Because they don’t reflect the party.
Well…
They fight, which means… which is why they wound up fighting against the party.
They don’t know what the party really wants, what the party stands for. They’re very selfish. They want to do things their way.
They’ve been so yearning for power to be able to do what they want to do for so long. Decades, Andy. They’ve wanted this chance to run things that now they’ve had that chance.
And they did exactly what I said they were going to do. I said it from almost day one. They’ve run it into the ground.
Oh yeah. They’ve got their way. And this is what happens in these sorts of leadership areas when somebody that’s always wanted to have control gets it and doesn’t have everybody’s best interest at heart and only has a select few at heart.
You see it happen all the time, not only politically, you see it happen in churches, you see it happen in organizations, you see it happen in businesses constantly. When somebody doesn’t have the entire best interest at heart, they’ll run it into the ground. That’s exactly what’s happened to the Colorado GOP.
Right. Anytime, John, you see in a business, a church, an organization of any kind, a small group attain outsized power.
Right.
In other words, a small percentage. And they say, well, Trump won our primary. We represent, no, you don’t represent all Trump supporters.
You represent a small, determined, Trump-only, everybody else sucks group. Okay. That’s what you represent.
They do. It’s a very militant group.
Correct.
It’s a very aggressive group.
It’s a very angry group. You either do it my way or no way.
My way or the highway. That is not okay. Anytime you have a small group acquire outsized power in an organization, they will tear apart that organization.
Is that not true?
It’s exactly what’s happened here inside the Colorado GOP. To a T, Andy.
Yeah.
To a T. It was my fear initially, and you guys can go back and even listen to some of the shows that we did right after Dave took office, took over the chairmanship here in Colorado, and even the vice chair and so on with Hope and so on. But you can hear some of the comments that were made by myself at that time where I basically said things along, well, one side got what they wanted.
We’ll now see how this works out for them.
And on that, I agreed right away.
Andy agreed with me right off the bat because that side got what they wanted. And I said, well, we’re going to see how this plays out. I didn’t say a whole lot more.
In fact, I was very quiet for maybe four to six weeks. I wanted to see how the fundraising would work, what would happen. Well, then all of a sudden, shortly after Dave takes over, within almost days, all we started hearing about was how bad the past chair was.
They left things in disarray. There’s all this money that can’t be accounted for. The rent wasn’t paid.
On and on and on.
You do not bash your predecessor.
All this nonsense starts going on. And I’m thinking to myself, okay, wait a minute, time out. First of all, this is not good leadership.
Right.
This is not what a good leader coming in does. A new pastor, by the way, coming into a church, doesn’t bash the old guy, no matter how bad he was, by the way. Am I right?
Yeah, because guess what? Christy Burton Brown or that old pastor have supporters. That’s right.
Simply by doing that, by the act…
You’re alienating those people.
Yeah, let’s say you’re… Yeah, simply by doing that, by the act of doing that, you’re going to purposefully alienate a large percentage of your base. You’re dividing your party.
That’s right. So you’re immediately right off the bat. First thing out of the chute, you’re dividing the party, which is exactly what Dave did.
Which they proceeded to do.
At that point, I kind of even sat back a little bit and said, okay, well, we’ll kind of see how things go. Well, lo and behold, we get a little bit further down the road and what does Dave do? Throws his hat in the ring for CD5.
I was already very leery of Dave prior to that and even had said so.
Yeah, he had done a bunch of things.
The very day he threw his hat in the ring, I said, I’m done. This is over, Dave needs to go. Plain and simple.
Said it on air, publicly. You can go back and listen to the podcast if you want to or to the recordings. And I absolutely was against Dave at that point.
I was already against him to a large extent before that because of his leadership style, quality and so on and what was going on inside the party. The day he threw his hat in the ring, I was done.
Yeah, and I was dead against him running in the primary. I was, I was close to done, but I wanted, well, because I’ve been in GOP leadership, I was like, I wanted to be patient a little longer, but I was near the end right there too. But I needed a little longer.
You did not.
That’s okay.
Yeah.
No, and in some of that, keep in mind, I had already had some experience with Dave in the past on some interviews and some things we had done on air and so on. And again, I personally, even to this day, have nothing against Dave personally. He just sucks as a leader.
He’s awful. Well, absolutely awful as a leader.
John, I mean, from there, he started simply attacking every Republican he wanted. He helped launch Rhino Watch to, you know, as his militant online arm to attack all the Republicans he doesn’t like. It was divide, divide, divide, divide, divide.
It has been the most outrageous, yep, divisive thing I have ever seen, divisive effort I’ve ever seen from the top in the history of the Colorado GOP. That’s why we talked about so much.
That’s right. OK, so moving forward.
Yeah.
How does the party, because I said the other day and I still stand behind this because things will change potentially next month. What did you say? October 14th.
Things could actually change on that day. Right. You’ve got about five months after that until there’ll be a huge change.
Another vote, et cetera, on who actually becomes the leader of the Colorado GOP moving forward.
Late in the winter.
How many years, as I’ve said all along, it’ll be a decade before you get things totally back on track. I may be exaggerating there a little bit, but how do you start bringing everybody back together again to where you can actually bring some things back in, you know, back in focus, back on track in Colorado to win some elections on our side? Or is it even possible at this point or is it done?
Well, the problem is, first of all, winning elections, the big problem isn’t the Colorado Republican Party, it is the electorate here in Colorado.
I understand, but you also understand where I come from on that and that there are certain times, certain districts, certain areas where, yes, you do have the ability to win.
So you’re saying where we can win the winnable ones?
Absolutely.
Oh, okay.
Because we’re even struggling at that right now, Andy.
Yeah, we are. Here’s the big problem, John. And when even, let’s say, Eli, let’s say Dave is evicted, which I believe he will be next month.
And by the way, maybe he won’t. It could go either way, but I believe he will because I think the evidence is overwhelming. Okay, let’s say he’s evicted.
Here’s the problem. His supporters are not loyal to the GOP to begin with.
Right.
They are loyal to Dave and Trump.
Right.
And I mean, not just to Trump, but to Trump-only-ness, okay? We’re talking about… Can I just call it the cult?
Yes.
Okay, we’re talking about the cult. We’re not talking about Trump supporters. We’re talking about Trump followers, the cult only.
They are… they basically are the first people to complain about the Republican Party and say it’s not enough Trump-like. Okay, it’s not enough Dave-like.
They are very big. They are demanding that we leave the open primaries, that we opt out of the open primaries, okay, which would be disastrous politically. And I hate open primaries, but it would be disastrous.
I think this is going to come down to this, John. I think that it’s going to come down to a big decision on open primaries. And I believe that after, you know, after Eli takes over, Eli is going to have to do an audit of the previous leadership.
I think that’s a given. But I think I would too. I would want that, by the way.
Yeah, because you got to see what’s been done with the money. But I think, you know, because people are saying, well, this is going to affect. I don’t think it’s going to affect the races at this point.
I think I think the die is cast with those.
Agree.
But going forward, here’s what I think Eli Bremmer is going to have to do. I think he’s going to have to do an audit. And I think he’s going to have to say, look, bottom line, leadership going forward must serve all Republicans favor none.
The favoritism ends.
I think you need to put it in the bylaws, by the way. I think that’s something that needs to be changed immediately.
Never again.
That’s right. That’s right. Never again can you do what we’ve done in the past.
That has to end. Endorsing from the top ends.
Bunch of nonsense.
Okay. And they’re going to have to decide, but here’s the problem is the open primaries. I believe the people who want to opt out of the open primaries, they could actually leave the party in anger and disgust.
If they do that, the party will become so small, it won’t be able to function. And I mean, compete even in a lot of the areas where it could compete.
And that’s, and by the way, that’s why I was asking you these questions and because they’ll burn down the village.
If they don’t get their way, they will burn down the village. They do not care about the Republican Party succeeding. They only care about Dave succeeding.
So then how do you rebuild that back up or can you?
I think you reach out to, look, the way you build it up is, I believe you got to reach out to them and say, look, we love you. This is nothing personal. We just want to serve all Republicans.
There are not enough of one sort of Republican or another to win elections. We must unite all of us. And I think the big key is this, don’t demonize them at all.
Reach out to them nonstop and say, we must come together. We must do this together. And just keep doing it.
And then the question is, will they come back into the fold?
Mike, what do you think? My thought process on that is half may, half probably won’t. I think you’ve got a chance of keeping half of them.
Half will just leave and be mad. They’ll go join the Libertarian Party. They’ll do whatever they need to do.
Elsewise, they’re going to be so upset and say, and here’s the here’s what they’re going to say exactly. Mark my words on this one. I didn’t leave the party.
It left me. Right.
Yeah, and go off and be a rage group. But a rage group is going to become so politically insignificant, I don’t know how long they can keep up the energy with that.
Well, no, that’s a whole other conversation. Not arguing that. Because I think you’re correct, by the way, and I’m not arguing that.
I’m talking more about what does the whole party, the GOP in Colorado do, because you’re going to lose some of those. No matter what happens, you’re going to lose some. What’s that magic number?
I don’t have any idea. Now, what I do think, though, Andy, is that do you have the opportunity to go after some of those folks that have been so disgruntled by Caucus? And I get it, and before somebody calls in and or corrects me and tells me that, you know, I’m completely wrong and Caucus is the only true way of doing things and blah, blah, blah.
I’m just giving you the way the climate of politics in Colorado is right now, folks. I’m not saying right, wrong or otherwise. What I’m saying is, Andy, do you have the ability to go after some of those people and maybe rejuvenate some of that in a way to bring more people in that never were before?
Well, actually, now there’s a thought. Let’s say the Davites leave. They leave the party, they leave Caucus.
First of all, you can retake Caucus. Secondly, you can remove Caucus. If Caucus is removed, all of these problems go away.
I’m not somebody who’s anti-Caucus. I’m saying though that the problem did come from Caucus. Am I right?
Yes or no?
You are correct.
Okay.
Absolutely.
The problem was birthed by Caucus. Caucus and Assembly have been running the party, but they were abandoned by 99 percent of the party, which means an angry vocal group of 1 percent could take over the entire party and divide it.
And that’s what’s happened.
That is what happened. If Caucus is removed, I don’t believe in what Ken Theory wants.
No, no, no, I don’t want to do that. Great choice voting and all that.
Great choice voting. I’m against all of that.
I’m not talking about that.
But if Caucus is removed, could our party come back to power? Yes.
OK, I’ll leave it at that. We’ll take our last break. We’ll come back, finish things up.
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All right, last segment, Rush To Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, klz560. Nancy, how are you?
Good, how are you today?
I’m doing very well. All right, give us a little insight on to the SEC and how that actually is comprised. That is the state central committee.
Yes, so the SEC is comprised, it’s right now, it’s about 415 members. It’s comprised of all the chairs, vice chairs, and secretaries of all 64 counties.
Okay.
Only Republican-elected officials, you know, like the legislatures, DAs, and then any bonus members, the larger counties have bonus members. So I’m chair of Jeffco, we have 23 bonus, well, you have 25 total, three of us are the officers and the other ones are bonus members. And then the…
We lost, you see it again.
Yeah, we lost you, Nancy.
So it would be the chair, the vice chair and secretary of the state GOP as well.
Yeah, and Nancy, when I’m saying that it’s formed, all these people came through caucus and assembly, I understand I’m overgeneralizing with that. I’m simply saying…
It’s not, actually. These are all elected positions, and actually next year, everybody will be re-elected to the SCC. It’s not through caucus or assembly.
It’s totally separate.
I know, but it’s largely the same people. The overlap is enormous.
No, not really.
Really? It certainly wasn’t Arapahoe. Maybe things are different.
Please tell me.
Yeah, no, I don’t see that. I mean, I’ve been part of it for years. There are some repeats and people that are very active.
So you could end up on the SEC, not be any part of Caucus, anything along those lines, and still end up as a committee chair or a committee person?
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It’s just that in Arapahoe, the overlap was enormous.
Maybe it’s not in Jeffco. That’s news to me. Virtually everybody who was in those positions had also participated in Caucus and Assembly.
But maybe it’s different out there.
They’re the active ones. But here’s what I suggest. If anybody wants to be part of the SCC, go and become a bonus member or run for an office in one of your counties.
But next year, next February, is when all the counties meet for a reorganization meeting, and that’s when everybody is re-elected or change of leadership.
Correct.
Okay. Really quick, what do you feel is going to happen with the court trial on October 14th or can you comment?
Well, since I’m on the record here in terms of I’m on the filing, I really can’t say much, but I think it’s possible that I’m going to be…
Well, let me ask you this. Was the second meeting on the 31st valid? Let me ask you that.
On the 31st? No, absolutely not. It was not a valid meeting.
Our meeting was completely valid. Todd and I worked very hard on that.
Okay. And I think that gives me the answer I was looking for, so we did that the correct way. And I agree.
Nancy, thank you, by the way. I appreciate it. And thank you for all the work you’ve done, too.
I know I have been really, you know, yelling a lot and saying a lot when it comes to our leadership of the GOP and wanting the change as necessary. And thanks to folks like you and others, it’s happening and I appreciate it very much.
Absolutely. I do it again to save our Republican Party here in Colorado.
Thank you, Nancy. You know, my feelings on that. So thank you very much.
Thank you.
You bet. Appreciate you. So yes.
And I mean that sincerely. I do appreciate that.
Nancy has taken a lot of slings and arrows for what she’s done.
Yeah, as many as I have. So thank you, Nancy. I feel like we’re in this together.
So very much so. And I haven’t taken near the heat that some of those folks have like her and Todd and others, although I think I probably do. It’s just not maybe as public, not quite as behind the scenes that’s going on.
I can assure you of that. That dirty rotten guy on Klz.
John, we’re near the end here. What do you think is the future of the Colorado Republican Party?
There’s a lottery building to do. It’s going to take folks like us, Nancy, others to really get other people involved. I got text message in from folks talking about the whole caucus end of things as well, and how that does need a revamp because of some of the things we’ve even been talking about.
The reality is, I think the party needs good leadership. It needs to have a focus in a future set, and it can’t just be some of the old rhetoric that’s always been said. It really needs to be, how do we unify the party moving forward so that we can go after not only the winnable seats in Colorado, but even some of the fringe seats to where, you know, maybe this one isn’t always winnable, but with the right candidate it might be, and I know that’s hard for some people to understand what I just said, but you need to be more calculated in how we move forward and what we do, and that’s what I want to see happen in the Colorado GOP.
Well, John, you’re not going to win any of that with leadership that tells everybody, get the hell off my lawn.
Well, no, you’re not, Andy. You’re 100% correct. That never works, by the way, in any organization.
I mean, right now we have leadership literally telling most of the voters of the state, go away.
I know, I know. You’re exactly right. All right, don’t forget tomorrow, Health and Wellness Wednesday.
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