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All right, we are back, Rush To Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, Klz560. Okay, really quick before we move on to our three, Proposition 129 on establishing veterinary professional associates. A lot of you have texted in and said, Nah, don’t need it, another layer of bureaucracy, kinda like what Andy and I said to begin with. So some of you that know way more about that than I do, and are in that world and field and so on, thank you because I, pardon the pun, but I don’t have a dog in that fight.
I want to get one of those certificates, so I want to prescribe drugs for dogs.
You want to go after it. Okay, all right. Our next guest is an author, Kenneth, and welcome, Kevin.
Make sure I say your last name correctly. Abramowitz, did I say that right, Kenneth?
Very good, very good.
All right, appreciate it. All right, you’ve got a new book. You’ve got a new book out, The Multifront War, Defending America from Political Islam, China, Russia, Pandemics and Racial Strife.
And I always start off with, why the book?
Why? Because I, 10 years ago, when I was researching national security, I realized that America was at existential risk of extinction from its enemies. And I embarked on a process to learn enough to write a book on which I published about 4 years ago and then updated twice since then.
Very good. So, and by the way, I don’t know that Andy and I, either one, can disagree with you, that if we don’t handle things correctly here in the US., yes, I do believe that we are on the verge of extinction, not only as a country, but even some of our values and what we believe in as well.
What do we do to, you know, to fend that off? What do we change to make it not that way?
Well, in my book I identified that we’re in World War III, according to my definition, we’re fighting a hundred mini wars, you know, which is a variety of mini issues, which together creates World War III. So we have to first characterize the enemies, characterize the issues, and then come up with a hundred strategies and implement them all simultaneously without running out of money or blood. No small task.
Let me look at an example here. How do you think pandemics have been used in this multi-front war?
Well, first, let me just spend one minute describing the multi-front war, so it’ll be easier to answer your question. There’s three enemies that we have, and they use seven forms of warfare. And if you multiply three times seven, that’s 21 wars.
That’s this simpler version of my 100 wars. So let me describe the enemies, and I color-code them. The reds, the greens, and the blues.
The reds are the communists, traditional color for communists. That’s China, Russia, North Korea, among others. Green is traditional color for Islam, but here I’m talking about the Islamists, not Muslims, Islamists, countries that are using Islam as a political tool.
That would be Iran and Qatar. And the blues are the globalists, color-coded blue for the United Nations color, and so that would be the UN World Economic Forum and drug cartels. So these three color-coded groups of enemies have declared war on us with seven forms of warfare.
Kinetic, most people think war is just kinetic, you know, things blow up. That’s one form of warfare. The other six, now answering your question, chemical and biological is another form of warfare.
Cultural, that’s words, when we just yell at each other. Then there’s economics, dollars. There’s lawyers or legal or lawfare.
And then demographics and cyber. So if you multiply the reds, the greens and the blues, and they each use seven forms of warfare, that’s 21, I call them wars, you could call them challenges or issues or dilemmas. And we’re not capable of handling one of the 21, let alone all of the 21 challenges simultaneously.
Basically, our enemies are using all of these things against us.
At the same time.
Yes, because the enemies are better organized. They’re dictatorships. So when you have a dictatorship, one guy says, oh, let’s destroy America.
Everyone else is fine with Mr. Big Dictator, let’s destroy America. Whereas democracies, as you know, are bottom up. Dictatorships are top down organizations.
Correct. So bottom up. We don’t have people going into the White House and saying, Mr. President, blow up this country.
Mr. President, blow up that country. Mr. President, stop this organization. So we don’t think that way.
We think everything is in the state of peace. So we don’t think about war. The bad guys, all they think about is war.
And that’s the mismatch between dictatorships and democracies.
Okay, Kenneth, really quick. Obviously, the pandemic we all dealt with recently was COVID. Would you say that COVID was used in this war against America?
Yes, COVID was Chinese biological warfare against America in order to seek regime change of President Trump. And they succeeded in introducing the virus, succeeded in regime change of Trump. They only made one little mistake.
And that is that as much as COVID hurt America, Americans bounced back. We don’t just like take things and then die. So we created drugs, we created vaccines, we created diagnostics, and we attacked the virus in a year or two we figured it out.
Meanwhile, the virus, as you know, viruses don’t care about boundaries or borders. So the virus came back to the Chinese and hurt the Chinese more than it hurt the Americans. So I think China learned a lesson, which was biological attacks are wonderful if the viruses don’t come back to China.
But since the virus came back to China, China hasn’t recovered from COVID. We’re aware as we have.
Okay, go ahead, John.
No, by the way, I can’t disagree with anything you’re saying at this point. I think the one thing that I get frustrated about, Kenneth, is the reality that I don’t feel like we’ve got any high level politicians, even low level politicians that are paying attention to maybe one or two of these things. But we have literally no politicians, in my opinion, looking at all of these combined.
Am I correct?
Yes, yes, and that’s the other thing that bothered me. I say to myself, wait a minute, the dictatorships have declared war on us, and we have no strategy to fend off their war. We have no strategy to destroy Russia, China, Iran, Qatar, the United Nations, the World Economic Forum.
And our politicians are in Lalo Land because the people are in Lalo Land.
Really quick, the last politician we had that even did anything regarding the UN at all was Donald Trump, and he got roasted in the media for even doing what he did with the UN. And as far as I’m concerned, it wasn’t enough.
That’s right. And also, that’s how you get unelected. Can you imagine if I were running for president, pretend, and I say, vote for me, because we’re under attack by the Reds, the Greens, and the Blues with seven forms of warfare, seven times three is 21, and they’re trying to destroy us.
Vote for me and I’m going to save you in these 21 wars. You get laughed at. That’s right.
I’d be laughed off the state. So that’s why I did it as an author. I’m not trying to run for anything.
Well, and as talk show hosts, really hard for us to run for anything either, Kenneth, for all the same reasons, because everything we’ve ever said gets used against us. So we kind of do what you do, and we become commentators more than we’re ever going to be politicians. But the reality is we also try to bring to light, which I’m sure you’re trying to do with your book as well.
You know, bring these things to light to get people talking about these among their peers, their family, their friends, the water cooler, and so on. Because the more awareness we bring, the better off we are. The reality right now, Kenneth, is I feel like, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel like we’re a country that’s asleep at the wheel.
Yeah, I use the expression where you’ve heard a million times, we’re fat, dumb, and happy. Yes, we’re asleep at the wheel. And the democracy can’t handle it until trauma.
In other words, look at trauma. Pearl Harbor, trauma. 9-11, trauma.
Look at Israel, October 7th, trauma. And so when the trauma hits, then the population goes, oh, I can’t believe this. Do something.
Government, save me. Don’t just sit there. Blow something up.
Help, help. Right. So that’s what happens in a crisis.
I’m trying to get the country to react to the problems without the crisis. I don’t want October 7th in America or Pearl Harbor or 9-11.
Agree. No, and by the way, you are speaking our language, preaching to the choir, I guess you could say. A lot of our listeners would agree with everything we’re talking about right now.
This is a wake up call. And again, I go back to the how do we do this? I mean, I get it.
You’re writing a book. We’re talking about this on air on a routine basis. But how do we get the key players?
Which, no offense, Kenneth, you’re not, I’m not, Andy’s not. Yeah, we’re in media, I guess, and you’re an author and you’re trying to do the best you can. But the reality is we’re not high powered politicians.
How do we get a high powered politician to listen to us?
Well, I guess if I were talking to a high profile politician or a staff member, I would say to them, look, given all that we discussed, I don’t expect you to talk about World War III and 21 many wars, your red green, okay. But plan a strategy after you get elected. Plan a strategy so when October 7th unfortunately happens or Pearl Harbor or 9-11, I hope not, you’re ready.
Like in one second you press a button, the computer comes up with the plan and execute it because I don’t expect you to execute it until tragedy strikes.
Kenneth, I got one more question. Internationally on the world stage, does the entire task start to look a little bit daunting when you see things like the United Nations General Assembly voting 124 to 14 to strip away Israel’s right to self-defense in the region, calling for the IDF to withdraw to pre-1967 territory lines. I mean, when you see a vote like that, that’s that overwhelming at the UN, does the whole task seem daunting?
Yes and no. If we had an America run by a real American in a way that a combination of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan, Trump all mixed together, so to speak, they would say to the UN, look, we’re not playing this game. We’re not tolerating systemic, anti-Semitic, and anti-Christian behavior out of you, and we’re going to reduce our contributions to the UN starting right now.
We pay something like 22 percent of the UN, and it’s going to 20 percent and then 15 and 10, and we’re not tolerating this attack on Judeo-Christian society. We, America, represent two and a half billion Christians and Jews, and we’re not going to allow Islamists and dictators and criminals tell us how to live.
Amen.
I agree. I’m for that.
Absolutely. I couldn’t have said that any better myself, Kenneth. That’s exactly what we have to do.
By the way, it’s a joke when people say, oh, well, if it’s not Trump, pick a candidate. Who should be the candidate? My standard joke is Mike Tyson.
I don’t mean Mike Tyson himself. I mean someone who’s big and tough.
Yeah, a fighter.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. No, I knew exactly what you meant by that. Yeah, not him personally, but somebody like him that is a fighter that will go to battle for us as Americans.
I feel like, Kenneth, we’ve got to a point to where even the majority of quote unquote conservative politicians are just willing to give away the farm and they’re not willing to fight for us. They’re more worried about the next paycheck they get from the lobbyists that’s out there as opposed to fighting for us as citizens.
Well, yeah, now you’re getting to a key issue. Politicians, I don’t mean this in a disparaging sense, but they have to get elected. And in particular, they have to get elected November 5th.
Okay, so that’s two months away. Whereas I, you, we represent our families, our children, grandchildren, hopefully great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren. So we’re thinking a hundred years out and they’re thinking two months out.
That’s true.
Do you see the conflict of interest here?
No, you’re right. You are spot on. Okay, before I let you go, how do folks buy the book and talk about your website, savethewest.com as well?
Okay, well I set up Save The West about ten years ago when I realized what I had told you. And all they have to do is go to savethewest.com. There’s a pop-up menu.
They put your email address in and sign up for my website. I write an article every two weeks, and as a public service, they will get my articles every two weeks. There’s also a link to my book, which takes you to Amazon to buy the book.
The book is $20, and I tell people it’s the biggest bargain you’ll ever get because it costs me $400 a book to produce, because authors like me don’t get paid for my time, energy, blood, sweat, and tears, so to speak. So you get a $400 book for only $20.
It’s a good deal. Well, I’ll get it. I appreciate you.
You’re welcome back anytime. As you can tell, you very much speak our language. You’re among great peers with us, and we want to see a change in America.
And I am tired, Kenneth, of being passive about this, and I, for one, want to go on the aggressive when it comes to some of these things. I’m not saying that I want to by no means take over the world as a country, but I’m tired of being tromped all over as a country.
Well, if you remember, in 22nd, 40 years ago, the Movie Network, there was a famous scene when the lead actor stuck his head out the window as Manhattan said, I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore. Well, basically, here we are.
That’s right. Kenneth, I appreciate it very much. Thank you so much for joining us.
A pleasure to be with you anytime.
You bet. Appreciate it. Wow, Andy.
That guy’s got it all figured out. And I’m not saying that he’s not with us any longer, so I can say that. I’m not saying that on his behalf, but I don’t know that there’s a single thing there he said I can disagree with.
We are literally being attacked on so many fronts, on numerous fronts, that it’s incredible. He mentioned things that we talk about all the time. I don’t know that you and I have ever put him collectively together like he just did and like he talks about in his book, but he’s right on every account.
Yeah. And by the way, you and I have talked before about what would China do to make sure that Donald Trump loses this election?
Anything possible.
Well, China did unleash COVID. And it did remove Donald Trump.
Yes, it did.
And removing Donald Trump and getting Biden will mean the difference of trillions over time to China.
Huge, Andy.
Okay.
Huge.
You know, and he says it’s a biological weapon.
I agree.
They certainly used it as one.
I agree.
No, there’s no question it was used as one.
I have felt all along that we’ve had these conversations with Dr. Kelly on Thursdays, and I believe she would agree with me on this. The reality is when you look at how that weapon, and I’m calling it that because that’s what it was, you look at how it was made, who it affected and how, even different ethnicities being affected differently. Andy, that wasn’t by chance.
Well, and also the fact that they would allow people to travel out of their country, but not from one region to the next. They didn’t want it to spread within, but it was okay to spread it without. And they had people who came directly over here.
But the big thing is this, all you got to do is look at Donald Trump before that, was absolutely untouchable. He had an incredible economy that was booming. He was going to sail to re-election easily.
By the way, he didn’t just have a great economy, he had peace, he had people coming together on all sides. He was winning. COVID destroyed it all.
Yep, and I agree, he made some bad decisions during COVID in regards to some of the people that he had around him and so on. That’s also easy to look back at and have 20, hindsight’s 20-20, they say, so it’s really easy to look at that now. Although Andy, there was times even then where we were saying, time out, I don’t think we’re doing this right and you ought to can Fauci.
Yeah.
Early on. That guy’s an idiot.
Oh, we wanted him gone real early.
I wanted that guy gone about as fast as I wanted Dave Williams gone.
Yeah.
I’m not exaggerating. They’re not much different. It’s about the same time frames.
This guy’s an idiot. Get rid of him. And he should have.
And I think-
A lot of people died because of his advice. That’s my opinion.
If you were to sit Donald Trump down one on one, no cameras, no nothing, and you and I could just sit there and have a conversation, I guarantee you, and you said, hey, what was one of your regrets of COVID? Not firing Fauci sooner.
Yeah.
Well, he never did, but not firing him.
Yeah, I think he would say that. I think it would have been awfully tough, though, by the way, politically.
And this is where I go all the way back to who he picked as VP. Had you picked a different VP, all of that would have come out different anyways.
You remember how angry I got when he chose Pence?
If you had had anybody other than Mike Pence, you would have had a different outcome on COVID.
True.
And for those of you, and I know he’s not coming up.
You and I wanted the doc.
Yeah, and he’s, he’s, I talked about, you know, Scott already, Dr. Scott, but just for you all know, Dr. Scott, there was some inside things that was going on with stem cell treatment of COVID that Mike Pence poo-pooed.
Oh, really? I didn’t know that.
Proven data that would have helped numerous people that contracted COVID. You could have done just minor things. And even the stem cell company that Scott was working with had agreed to even give some of those away to really, you know, COVID patients that were in dire need, folks like your father-in-law, where it would have really helped them, and Mike Pence poo-pooed all that.
I’ve lost all respect for Mike Pence, by the way, just so you all know, after learning about all that. Guy’s a clown.
Really, you had some?
Well, not much.
I actually liked him as a guy early on. I thought he was an unbelievably bad choice.
Awful, awful. And he proved all of that correct as it went further down the line.
All right.
So anyways, we’ll be back. Flesh laws coming up next. We talked earlier about civil versus criminal when it came to Donald Trump.
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All right, Rush To Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, Klz560. OK, I had no idea going through all of those amendments and propositions would fire folks up on the veterinarian end of things, because I should have known we have a lot of rule listeners to this program all over the four-state region that we actually go out to, actually like five states. And I’m telling you guys right now, from the texters that are texting me, it’s about split down the middle, those that are for versus those that are against that particular proposition.
OK, what are they saying for or against?
Some that are in the veterinarian world say, we need this because there’s not enough to go around. A lot of folks can’t afford the entire licensing process to become a full board veterinarian. They don’t have the ability to go to all of the different schoolings they would have to do to be a full board veterinarian.
And much like a physician’s assistant, physician’s assistant in the medical world, this is needed to get more vet techs out into it. Others are claiming, no, there’s already enough. We don’t need any more red tape.
It’s just one more layer of bureaucracy we don’t need. It literally, from those texting in, it’s split down the middle. For versus against.
Look, John, I gotta be honest. I know nothing about the veterinarian world.
I don’t either. And those of you that are texting, please.
Which worries me, because I’m gonna be voting.
Yeah, I am too. So those of you that are either for or against, please give me more details. And really, I honestly, not to take anything away from those that are not in the veterinarian world, but this is sort of like asking a car guy, what should we do with our missions program?
They know far more about that than those that are just out driving cars. So I’m not necessarily, I’m sorry to say this, but I don’t necessarily want to know from those that don’t have quote unquote a dog in the fight, Andy. I really want to know from the veterinarians themselves, what’s needed for you guys to get your jobs done better.
I want to hear from you, not those that aren’t in the industry. Does that make sense?
Yes.
And I know there’s a lot of farmers, ranchers and so on, and a lot of you have the ability to do different things veterinarian. I’m not saying this right, but you can do some things veterinarian wise on your own. I get that.
Would a veterinarian for instance be against this because now it means that a bunch of the services they provide can be provided by somebody who is cheaper and has fewer, you know, qualifications?
I think what some of those would tell you the same thing doctors say is, listen, if I can hire somebody in that I can provide more services out into the field from, why wouldn’t I?
But does this person have to be working for a veterinarian to prescribe these things?
Yes. The current law is a vet tech has to have an associate’s or bachelor’s degree in veterinarian technology. They have to have an associate’s and bachelor’s degree of veterinarian technology.
They also have to have, this is the current law, an advanced doctorate degree in clinical experience. And then under this proposition, the master’s degree in veterinary clinical care, additional qualifications and training may be determined by the state board. And there’s all sorts of other things that you can read through in the book about this.
Yeah, okay, but what I mean is, do they have to be employed by a veterinarian?
I would assume they’d have to work under one, just like a PA does.
I’m just trying to think why a veterinarian would be against it. I know they said even more red tape, and that’s possible. The last thing you want is more red tape.
But I always think in terms of money, okay, I think in terms of competition. Let’s say that they make it much more easy, much easier for these people to get these certificates, these licenses, okay? And let’s say that your competitor, you know, is able to hire five or six of these people, and now provide all these services more cheaply and more quickly than you are able to do.
You could lose your business. Does that make sense? I’m trying, I’m just trying to think about the problems with it.
I know you’re trying to be devil’s advocate, and I am too. And again, folks, this is an area where if this were more automotive related, I’d have a really easy direct answer for you. But since I’m not, and I’ll be quite honest, I don’t know personally any veterinarians.
You know, I’ve gone to them, and I’ve known some of them in that regard, but I’m not like personal friends with veterinarians to know.
Well, you have dogs, right?
Yeah.
So when your dog is ill, do you take it to the veterinarian?
Yeah.
Okay. So you don’t take it to Kristi Noem?
No. No, because that would not be good. I don’t want it to live afterwards.
I don’t want the alternative.
Well, the dog’s defective. Kristi, can you fix this?
Yeah, she can fix it. Bullet. I mean, again, folks, this is one of those where, and I have no idea, this is one of those that, with out proper education to the voters, this one could probably go either way.
Yeah, that’s what really concerns me, is this is a tough one for people to really understand. So, oh, well, we will. You know what that means?
It means that some we can keep talking about.
Yeah, this is one of those where, and you guys all know me. I’m not one for more red tape. There’s enough government bureaucracy out there already, and I’m not typically one to add layers of that.
And those of you that are in this world, what I need to know is what you have now working or not, and how would this benefit and or hurt you. That’s what I need to make an educated decision and inform other listeners of.
Isn’t this simply the equivalent of saying that you have a field, whatever the field is, and it requires a master’s degree to do this certain thing, but with an associate’s degree, you can do this and this and this and this. These other lower things that are very valuable as well, and thereby they can have a number of those tasks. You see what I mean?
Not all done by the person with the master’s degree. That’s a good thing. There’s nothing wrong with having an associate’s degree that you can use in various fields.
Does that make any sense?
Yeah, and again, I am, again, one of these that I don’t understand. I got another text message that came in and said, it’s not a wasteful layer of bureaucracy. It’s to help those who can do more, or who can do more seek that opportunity to do so and help especially with large animals in rural areas.
Rural areas lack veterinarian care, just like people finding human doctors in rural areas. Some vets don’t want it because it can cut into their income abilities when they, the vet tech, should be able to help bring in income and treat more animals, thereby making happy, loyal clients. So this is a vet that’s answering me saying, no, this is not a wasteful layer of bureaucracy.
It’s needed.
But I was saying earlier, see how they could cut into their profitability.
Correct.
Yeah.
So some vets wouldn’t like this because of that. But in this case, where this is somebody out in the rural areas, this for the rural areas is a good thing. It will generate more workers in those rural areas.
Are they going to divide out the, how do you put it, the tasks and duties well enough though? Okay. If you’ve got this level, you are certified to be able to do this certain level of things.
But you cannot do these higher level of things.
Yeah, and I think, and I was reading through that a moment ago, Andy, I believe that’s spelled out. Now, that’s one of the complaints is some are saying, wait a minute, time out, this isn’t fully defined well enough to really give an idea of what these people can and can’t do.
Would Christine Noem be able to get one of these certificates? You don’t think so?
No, she would be.
Well, she’s done surgery of a sort.
I mean, she would be excluded from.
Oh, okay.
Never mind. So under this new proposition, their scope of practice would perform tasks that are within the individual’s advanced education and training. Full scope of practice may be determined by the state board.
So I think that’s some of the complaints some in that world have, is it’s not defined well enough to your point a moment ago. What can they do and not do?
Yeah, that’d be a real concern for me.
So again, those of you that are for that and thank you, by the way, for all the text messages for and against. This is one of those that really isn’t a right left issue. This is just an overall what’s best for the state issue.
And the more feedback you all can give me, the better. So thank you, all of you that have texted in, because this is not my field of expertise. And I will never claim that it is, because it’s not.
This is an area that I know very little about.
Bottom line, if it helps the farmers, that’s a good thing. I mean, if it helps the ranchers and the farmers and the rural areas.
Yeah, I’m all for the rural farmers and ranchers and so on. And if we can help them, I’m all for that. I also, though, want to make sure that we’re not adding a layer of bureaucracy that’s not needed.
I just got a message that said it doesn’t. And again, I need more information from those of you that are out in that world because I’m not. That’s fair.
I’m not in that world. I mean, yes, I take animals to the vet at times, but I tend to, should I say this on air? I tend to take care of my animals much like I do me.
If I can self care for them, I will. Does that make sense, Andy?
Yeah, it does. John, let me ask you this and then we can go to break. Why do you think this is coming up for a vote?
Why isn’t this being handled within the profession?
That is a great question. Those of you that are in that profession and in that world, if you can answer that for me and Andy, I would love that because great question, Andy.
Okay.
Because usually these things are handled internally, like in the automotive world, if there was something that needed change, you get with the association, you try to get whatever changes are made, you get things handled that way and you don’t actually bring a proposition to the ballot. So great question.
I’ve never seen a proposition to a ballot saying you need that. Now you can just get an associates degree in something and be able to do that.
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And we are back, myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes as well. And Andy, you had something from Joe Manchin you were gonna play, kind of switching gears here in this last segment or so here.
Yeah, real quick here. As you know, Kamala has come out and said that she wants to kill the filibuster to make abortion a national right again, and bring back Roe v. Wade.
So here is Joe Manchin.
Okay, really quick before we go on.
Yeah.
I hear politicians say stupid things like that, which, by the way, it’s stupid because the Supreme Court already said, wait a minute, this is a state’s rights issue, and federally, you guys can’t do this anyways. That’s why they shot it down. So why would a politician, i.e.
Kamala Harris, think she could bring that back and not get it shot down again? Because she’s dumb?
Well, she is dumb.
I mean, honest.
Why?
Well, I don’t know. I guess they would just want to make it national law. I mean, bottom line.
I’m not sure of what sort. She hasn’t really enunciated that, so I don’t know.
Interesting. Anyway, so just question for me.
Okay. So here’s Joe Manchin, who, of course, they’ve been asking, would he endorse Kamala Harris?
Here we go.
You may have heard that Kamala Harris reiterated today that she wants to get rid of the filibuster in order to pass the rural legislation.
Shame on her. Shame on her. She knows that the filibuster is the holy grail of democracy.
It’s the only thing that keeps us talking and working together. You get rid of that, and this would be the house on steroids.
So I know that you’ve been considering endorsing her. Does this change your view?
That’s not going to happen.
You’re not going to endorse her?
I’m not endorsing her. I think that’s basically something that can destroy our country, and my country is more important to me than any one person or any one person’s ideology. I think it’s the most horrible thing.
And Chuck Schuman knows how I feel about this.
Wow, those are strong words.
Yeah, no.
I mean, by the way, the way he said those was strong words. That’s where one of those things, Andy, where hearing it in person versus reading it written is a huge difference.
Exactly.
His tonality basically said, yeah, that ain’t happening.
Joe Manchin has always been the rather conservative Democrat from West Virginia. He’s retiring, of course, so he’s not seeking re-election. Doesn’t matter.
However, I don’t think it would matter in this case.
Well, obviously, West Virginia is in the tank for Trump. It doesn’t matter. However, do you think this causes just a wee bit of damage for her?
It looks bad to have more and more.
More key Democrats saying that against you. Yes, that’s a problem.
It seems to be like all the moderates are coming out for Trump and against her. Now, he’s not endorsing Trump, but.
But he’s not endorsing her either.
You know, Elon Musk is a moderate, right? Obviously.
Obviously.
It just seems like there aren’t any moderates who are running to Kamala at all.
I mean, Elon’s a moderate that leans right. Joe is a moderate that leans left, and they both say we’re not endorsing her.
Right.
What does that tell you?
The UAW. We’re not, was it?
Well, the members of the UAW are saying 60 percent, actually over 60 percent, 64 percent said, yeah, we’re on Trump’s side.
Well, yeah, but I mean, they didn’t give her their endorsement.
Because of that, they won’t endorse her.
64. I didn’t know it was that high. I thought it was 60.
I talked to a guy yesterday that called in that’s an expert in that.
Okay. Well, I mean, look, it’s…
Vinny Venuccio called in yesterday.
Oh, I love him. I love Vinny.
He’s Mr. Anti-Union.
Yeah.
Well, I shouldn’t say it that way. He’s not anti-union. He just wants to keep the unions in check.
He’s against union being forced on people.
He’s against union bullying.
Yeah, that’s what he’s against. And by the way, so am I.
Exactly.
But, you know, I mean, she is not racking up victories right now. And the polls are starting to shift in Trump’s favor. Not heavily, but they’re shifting in Trump’s favor.
By the way, JD. Vance is… I think he’s having an impact.
Did you know JD. Vance has done more interviews? Then Kamala, her VP, and Trump all combined times two.
JD. Vance has been everywhere, nonstop.
So the national, you saw this today, the national poll by Quinnipiac, am I saying it right?
Yes.
48%, Harris 47%, one point above for Trump. Now granted, the margin of error is probably a point, so…
Yeah, but you gotta keep in mind, if Trump only loses by, say, 2%, he’ll win. Because of the scattering of the votes.
Of the electorate?
Yeah.
He’ll win the electorate if it goes like that. They need to win by about 2.5% generally to win.
And again, that’s just that particular poll, but to your point, Andy, you’re seeing some of the polls shift.
Yes, you are. And obviously, a poll just came out, I believe a Sunbelt poll that a lot of people are talking about. Arizona, he was down five, he’s up five.
Georgia, he was up four, he’s still up four. And what they’re talking about is pre and post debate. And so Georgia, she didn’t get any bump at all.
North Carolina, he was down two, and he’s up two. The problem in North Carolina is our candidate that we have there. I forget if it’s for governor or senator, but we have a candidate making some outrageous statements for the GOP.
And the worry is that that would hurt Trump.
Okay.
Mark.
Gosh, I’m sorry. I forget his name. I’ll look it up.
Well, then on top of that, you’ve got folks like John Federman, who I honestly never thought I’d agree with.
Yeah. How about that?
Talking about the pager and walkie talkie attacks on Hezbollah, saying, I love it. Now, that’s not what Democrats typically would say. But he’s gone rogue lately.
By the way, Mark Robinson.
Okay, Mark. So Federman has gone rogue when it comes to the Democrats.
Oh, totally.
Has he not? By the way, shocking to me.
Look, with everything Federman’s been saying, the big question is, why are you a Democrat?
I just shake my head. I’m sorry, but I agree with you. I honestly, I am I am flabbergasted.
I would have never guessed that.
No, me either.
Ever.
He is absolute. I think the change in John Federman has been more shocking than the change in Tulsi Gabbard.
I would agree with that, because she was always kind of a little more middle of the road.
A little more moderate.
He was not.
No.
I mean, even as a mayor and stuff, that guy was about as left as left could get, Andy. Am I right?
Yes.
And then, I don’t know, did he have like some life revelations, some, you know, in some of the health things he had going on? Did he have like some, you know, dream that I should be more centred and I should be more to the right or what?
I don’t know. I really don’t know. Well, here’s the thing.
I don’t think happened.
Yeah. I don’t know that Federman has actually changed his views that much on some of these issues, but rather that apparently he was more centrist than we thought to begin with.
And the left has just left him. Right.
You just put it perfectly. The left left him. And he has become very…
Look, he’s not gone as far as Manchin who’s left the party, but he has become very disillusioned with the left wing of his party. And especially in terms of Israel, he can’t stand them. And also, you know, Federman seems to be much more in favor of things like oil and gas development now.
I don’t understand it, man.
I don’t either.
Leave your party.
Well, he should. And it’s sort of like Elon Musk, the party, you know, the left left him because he was a lefty. The left left him.
He’s now, I think if you’re really sit down and ask him, OK, if you had to put something next to your name, a D or an R, which would it be? If you had only two choices, what would it be? He’d say R because he can’t go to the D.
Which one?
Musk, because they’ve left him.
Oh, Musk. Absolutely.
Even though he’s an I, he’s an independent. He would say, yeah, well, if I only had two choices, I’d have to be an R.
Well, Musk has made it pretty clear that he believes that the only hope for America at this point is Donald Trump.
Yeah. And he’s right, by the way.
And he doesn’t even agree with Trump on everything.
Neither do we.
Right.
Sorry, I’ll say that.
For the most part, we do.
There’s some things that he and I differ on.
Sure.
I mean, there’s things that he says at times that I don’t agree with. There’s some positions that he takes.
I mean, I want to raise the age for benefits.
So security. And Trump’s a big spender. I mean, I love Trump, but he’s a big spender.
And he will continue to spend if he’s president. You will not see the deficit, even though he says he’ll reduce the deficit. No, he won’t.
Sorry, no, he won’t. He won’t.
I also felt that his tax cuts were weighted too much to help people not pay taxes anymore.
Yeah, too much weighted towards the low income that are now net tax receivers, not net taxpayers.
Right. I thought he was too Democrat with his tax cuts.
I agree with that, Andy. That’s one of those. Somebody says, well, what do you disagree with them?
Well, there’s an example. There you go. His stance on abortion, even though I know it’s politically what he needs to do, I don’t agree with.
Is what it is.
Okay.
That’s fine. I mean, now, I’ve also been one to say, and I’ve said this on the National Crawford Roundtable, do I think abortion should be front and center of our party? No, I’m glad we did what we did.
Some will be mad at me for saying that. I don’t think it should be front and center. I don’t think it should be front and center on the left.
By the way, it’s the only thing the left has to run on, so they make it front and center. But the reality is the amount of people that that affects at the end of the day, Andy, is far less than what a 7% interest rate does.
Yeah. But for women, what they look at it is like this. They say, John, you can’t get pregnant from a rapist.
I can.
Yeah. So?
So? I could potentially get pregnant because of a rapist.
I know. I get that.
You cannot.
I know. I get that.
Okay. Therefore, it applies to me. It doesn’t apply to you.
I mean, I’m just saying what they would say. I know.
That’s their argument. It’s a bad argument. Because the amount of that…
I didn’t say it was a good argument.
The amount of that that actually happens is minuscule.
Obviously.
They base their entire premise of abortion on a very, very, very small percentage that actually ever happened that way.
Yeah.
But you buy insurance based on low percentage risk. You see what I’m saying? I’m just I’m using devil’s advocate arguments here.
And so what they would say is Democrats use abortion as birth control.
Yes, they do.
That’s and that’s what I would come back and say. You use it as birth control.
Right. And so what Donald Trump would do is he’d come to both of you and say, I want to hammer out a deal here.
Yeah, I know.
Something we can work with.
I know. I get it. And that’s fine.
And again, I’m not against him for that. I just am one that and I agree with our party platform. Now, I don’t think it should be front and center.
And there’s pro lifers that would say that I’m wrong for saying so. So be it.
I agree with you.
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All right, that’s wrapping it up for today. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and yeah, keep the text messages coming in on some of those amendments and propositions, if there’s things that you know and have some insight in that we can then share. I’ll put a compilation together of all of those and where things kind of lie when it’s all said and done.
And some of them may be, hey, this is your choice when it’s all said and done.
Would you have thought that the one we’d get all the text on would be about veterinarians?
No. Wow. I didn’t have the foggiest idea, completely shocked by that, which is fine.
I love this show.
Which shows you how many rule listeners, which love all of you guys, by the way, appreciate all of what you do. A lot of you are feeding us, so I’m very thankful for you, and I mean that sincerely. But yeah, Andy, I would have never had any idea on that.
Amazing.
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