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Join Andy Pate and special guest Eli Bremer as ‘Rush to Reason’ tackles the hot-button issue facing Colorado’s Republican Party: the decision to opt out of open primaries. Hear from insiders on the risks and potential losses of bypassing traditional primaries, as well as the argument for preserving a wider public vote. This episode provides a comprehensive look at the internal disagreements within the GOP and illuminates how electoral strategies could shift the party’s future.
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SPEAKER 12 :
And welcome to our number three here on Rush to Reason. I’m Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, who, by the way, is going to be back tomorrow. Can’t wait. On the line right now, we have Eli Bremmer, the evil one, the one who the rhino who wants to destroy the Republican Party and sell us out. Is that right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I prefer the dark lord of southern Colorado. Oh, okay. Whatever. I accept compliments in all forms.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, okay. Eli, we’ve got to talk about the opt-out, and I know there are people thinking, why are you talking about the opt-out? What are you talking about? Well, there’s a vote coming up here in a couple weeks in the Colorado main assembly for the Republican Party, and it is on whether we should opt out of the primary. Now, this is huge. When I go and I talk to the… You know, the state central committee, when I talk to them, the number one issue by far that everybody talks about is the opt out. And they basically say this. If you don’t want to opt out of the primary, you’re a bad Republican. You are a closet Democrat. You hate our party. You want to destroy our party because the open primaries are the reason we’ve lost Colorado. So let me ask you, do you like open primaries in principle?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, in principle, I think they’re a bad idea. But I also have this crazy reality that I live and work in the real world. And in the real world, Colorado Republicans are a micro-minority. We haven’t won a statewide race since Cory Gardner left office in 2020. And we’ve got a lot of bigger fish to fry, like trying to actually be competitive in this state.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, now supporters of the opt-out, they insist that open primaries are the reason for Republicans losing Colorado. Are they right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I would say that they have about as much logic as Mondami has knowledge of how economic systems work. I mean, it’s a theory. It’s just not backed up with any background or reality. No. The fact of the matter is that Colorado has been trending more toward the center-left, but how we vote for our political candidates has been pretty far-left because the caucus system has, by and large, driven our candidates toward um really performative politics instead of substantive politics and you look at like florida where florida they they don’t have the same system and you get conservatives to come in and govern conservatively and voters reward them so i think we have much more of an issue that we have a lot of performative politics uh in colorado and it has nothing to do with this you know whether or not we have an open or a closed primary
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, I’m going to throw three things out here on this because, once again, they insist open primaries are what’s causing us to lose. And we’ve got to opt out. We’ve got to get out of that. Now, for the record, I don’t like open primaries because I don’t think that non-Republicans should help Republicans choose their candidates. Just in principle. I’m against that. I think only Republicans should choose Republican candidates. But… It’s the law. Now, OK, unaffiliated voters who are half the state’s voters overwhelmingly voted for it. They want it now. First, Republican losses have, as you said, they’ve maintained the same trend line for the past couple of decades due to a mass influx of blue state voters. They really have. And that trend line didn’t drop down much faster or change dramatically. when open primaries came along. It’s just gone in the same downward tilt. So right there, I don’t think that goes with what they’re saying. Number two, the open primary actually rescued the House for Trump last November. No, Eli, it’s true. Had we gone with the state party’s endorsements instead, we would have lost the general election in CD3, CD5, and CD8. We would have lost it, and Trump would not have the House of Representatives.
SPEAKER 04 :
Andy, I think I don’t think you can possibly emphasize that point enough for people. I want to I want to repeat that because, OK, if people are listening to your show today, with all due respect, that is to whatever has happened before happens after. What you just said is the most important political thing anyone is going to hear on your show today or in this entire month about Colorado politics. If the state party last year, the people who wanted to opt out, had had their way, Mike Johnson would not be Speaker of the House. No, he wouldn’t. Which means the one big beautiful bill would not have passed, and the Trump agenda would be stagnant. Yeah. And there’s a great saying. I didn’t come up with it, but I think it’s fantastic. You’re married, so you’ll get this too. You can be right or you can be married. Yes. And too many times we have these… You know, they call themselves purists, but I call them the party Pharisees. They remind me a lot about the Pharisees in Jesus’ day, who had just invented all these regulations, and they were so religious, air quote religious, that the God of the universe was not righteous enough in their eyes. And that’s what this really is about, is are we going to be so ideologically perfect that that we allow the Democrats to have complete control of this state. And that’s the true battle.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. I mean, look, you take a look at CD3, okay? And I don’t want to go deeply into all of them, but Ron Hanks was the candidate that was endorsed by the state party in CD3.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, wait, he was also endorsed by the Republicans. Oh, wait, that’s what you were saying, because let’s not forget the Democrats outspent Republicans supporting Ron Hanks. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
They knew the Democrats knew that Ron Hanks, the Democrats knew Ron Hanks was such a terrible candidate. They spent major money in ads to help Ron Hanks in our primary. They wanted him to be our candidate so badly. OK, but instead he was defeated soundly by Jeff Hurd in the open primary. And Jeff Hurd went on to win that seat in CD3. Ron Hanks would have lost that seat by 15 to 20 points, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 04 :
He would have gotten slaughtered. I want to drop in a data point here. Yeah, go ahead. Do you want to if if if unaffiliated did not vote in that election, which candidate would have actually won the primaries? Jeff Hurd would have still won that primary.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, Jeff Hurd did not win the primary because of unaffiliated voting in the primary. He would have won flat out.
SPEAKER 04 :
But what if it had only… He wanted to fight the Democrats supporting the Republican-endorsed candidates.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, because Democrats did vote. I guarantee you Democrats voted in that primary election to help Ron Hanks because they wanted him to be their candidate. Look, guys, all I got to say is this. Follow the money. Where do they put their money? If people put their money towards something, then you know what they want. Well, they put their money toward helping the candidate who was endorsed by the Colorado Republican Party at the time by Dave Williams. OK, guys, they wanted Ron Hanks to be our candidate. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
And Andy, I, you know, as I was thinking back, I was like, wow, we were on the, you know, we’re having this conversation a year ago. Yeah. This is the same battle. And I guarantee you there’s people out there listening right now who are saying, why are we still talking about this? Why, you know, why are we beating a dead horse? And, you know, just a couple minutes ago, I referenced Mondami in New York. My undergraduate degree is in economics. And I will tell you, there has been more writing and more research done on why market socialism fails and than on virtually any other topic in economics, okay? We know it fails, and yet for some reason, people keep on wanting to do dumb things that are proven to be wrong. The Democrats in New York are about to do socialism again. Republicans in Colorado keep on falling into this trap of saying, you know, let’s be so righteous and so pure. that Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump couldn’t possibly meet our own standards. That’s why I think it’s important that we’re talking about this, Bill, because for whatever reason, this keeps on cropping up.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, a solid majority of those on the state central committee want to vote to opt out of the primary. And what I’m talking about is what will be the results. Look, if we opt out of the primary, what if a caucus had decided our candidate in CD3? Then Ron Hanks probably would have won.
SPEAKER 04 :
Speaker… Yes, Speaker Hakeem Jeffries would be thwarting Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, Hakeem Jeffries right now would be in charge of the House, folks. And I haven’t even looked at CD5 and CD8. CD5, that had Dave Williams. Now, CD5 should have been an easily winnable seat, and it was because we had a good candidate. But if Dave Williams had been the candidate, I believe he would have lost CD5.
SPEAKER 04 :
And as for CD8, I think that’s very likely.
SPEAKER 12 :
And as for CD8, Yannick Joshi, a guy who, look, I like the guy personally. I like who he is. But he would have gotten killed in CD8 if he had been our candidate. And even, you know, Donald Trump endorsed, you know, the guy that we eventually got. Look, this is, once again, the open primary in 2024 rescued the House for Trump. Okay. Even though I don’t like open primaries, but we have to take that into account.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, go ahead. The funny thing is the open primaries did not. rescue it for trump because the the republicans who voted that voted for gabe evans they voted for jeff crank and they voted for what i mean is this the primary the primary rescued it for trump and it happened to be open is what i’m saying yeah but the the people the people it’s really important that i think we’re specific on this the people who want to cancel they don’t want to close the primary it’s like mandami he says you know i just want to have a These people are saying, I just want to close the primary. No, they want to cancel the primary so they can install unelectable candidates. And that would give us Speaker Hakeem Jeffries.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, that gets to my next question here. In fact, that’s a couple questions from now. I’m going to skip there right now. If we opt out, does that mean we get a nice closed primary? Okay, do we suddenly get a close? If we just opt out, do we get to have our own little Republican closed primary and it’s going to be all wonderful and all the Republicans get to participate? Or what would it cost our state party to conduct its own primary?
SPEAKER 04 :
It is so expensive that it is more money. It would cost the state party more money to run a closed primary than they have raised in the last 15 years combined. Right. They don’t have the money.
SPEAKER 12 :
Folks, this is why our tax dollars run the primaries.
SPEAKER 04 :
Go ahead. And that’s actually a core governmental function, like running courts, running police. These are running elections. These are core governmental issues. So what’s happening is it’s just like Mondami. I mean, so we’re really dealing with the Mondami type of phenomenon where you have people who lie to tell you what makes you feel good. They say, you don’t like having an open primary, so vote for not an open primary. And Mondami says… You don’t like what greedy capitalism is doing, so vote not for that. And what he really means is he’s going to create a communist system and destroy wealth in New York City and confiscate private property. So what these people here in Colorado are doing is they’re saying, if you don’t like the fact that unaffiliated vote in your primaries, forget the fact that they actually haven’t influenced any primaries on record. We have yet to find one where they actually influenced the primary, where the registered Republicans who voted in the primaries voted differently than the winner of the primaries. Okay, so let’s use some real data. The people that are selling this, what they’re saying is you don’t like this, so choose what’s behind door number two. What’s behind door number two is every listener out there gets disenfranchised.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, because you’re not going to have a primary period.
SPEAKER 04 :
We can’t afford it, so we won’t have one. It’ll have to be selected through the caucus system. So you say, well, you could, in theory, participate in the caucus system. Not necessarily. I’m actually… I’m at an airport right now. I just came back from South America. I travel a ton for work. My wife has to take care of our son when I’m gone. And so if I’m gone the day of the caucus, I don’t get to vote by proxy. I’m disenfranchised. My friends that are in the military, they’re not even allowed to participate in the caucus. particularly if they’re not there, because you can’t show up. The other reality of it is, if you care about election integrity, the caucus system is by far, it makes Philadelphia and Atlanta voting systems look safe and secure. In 2022, our estimate of fraud in El Paso County was between 30 and 50 percent of delegates who were eventually seated through the caucus system in my home county were fraudulently seated against the law. OK, so if you’re concerned about election integrity and you’re thinking, man, maybe people are on the fringes feeling one or two percent. Hold my beer. Let’s go for 30 to 50 percent of fraud in the caucus.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, well, Eli, Eli, let’s take a step back here and then we got to go to break. But how many rip Colorado? I don’t care how many can go to caucus. I care how many do go to caucus. You see, people who can do something are not the ones voting. It’s the ones who do go there. Right. Less, well under 1% of Colorado Republicans attend caucus, which means 99% of Colorado Republicans will not be choosing our candidates. And by the way, the Davidians, and I call them Davidians, followers of Dave Williams, they know this. The reason they want to choose candidates through caucus is they know it empowers them because they know that they and their activists can overrun caucus. They cannot overrun the primary. They can overrun the 1%. They can’t overrun the 99. Go ahead.
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100%.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I was talking earlier about party Pharisees. I… Ever since I finished my formal education, I’ve actually really enjoyed learning about history. And I think about the history of the Catholic Church, where there was a time when they didn’t want the Bible written in English. They didn’t want it in the common language because they didn’t want people to know. This has been a tactic for people who want to say that they are righteous when they’re acting like seedy characters since Jesus Christ walked the earth. is that the religious few get to tell everybody else what to do. And 100% of the time, it ends up in corruption. We’re dealing with the same exact phenomenon here, where you’re not going to get to go to the caucus. You’re busy. You’re unavailable. You’re traveling. You get sick. It’s okay. The elites will go to the caucus. and they will make the determination, and 100% of the time it’s a corrupt system.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it’s all connected people and activists. That’s who’s at caucus, and they’re not bad people. I’m not saying they’re bad. I’m saying that is the group that’s there. Everybody else, they don’t go for whatever reasons. They don’t want to go to caucus. So you’re taking something that the market doesn’t want. You know they don’t want it, and so you want to use that to choose our candidates because you can overrun it. Because there’s hardly anyone there. It’s ridiculous. Hey, let’s take a break. We’ll come back and finish up with Eli Bremer. Up next, Flesh Law. Now I know what you’re thinking. Something’s gone wrong, but you can’t afford a good lawyer. Wrong! Kevin Flesh, he works on a contingency basis. He doesn’t get paid unless you win. Call Flesh Law at 303-806-8886.
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You can also find him at klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks for joining us today.
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SPEAKER 12 :
This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate on the line right now with Eli Bremer. Eli, I just want to catch us up really quick. We’ve only got a couple minutes here. Number one. Open primaries. Eli and I both oppose open primaries in principle, but we got to be honest about them. Number one, they did not cause Republicans to fall apart in Colorado. There are no numbers supporting that at all, even though it’s being put out as fact by the ones who want the opt out. I’m sorry. There are no numbers supporting that. Number two. The open primary rescued the house of representatives for Donald Trump last November or the primary rescued it for Donald Trump. Okay. Number three, if we opt out, we’re not going to get a nice closed primary. We will have no primary because we can’t afford to run one on our own. In fact, we can’t even come remotely close. We can’t do it. So we’ll have no primary. And the caucus will decide our candidates. The caucus is attended by less than 1% of Republicans. And by the way, Eli, they always say, yeah, but the caucus, that’s grassroots, right? This way we empower the grassroots to choose our companies. I’m sorry, choose our candidates. Eli, is the grassroots less than 1% of the party?
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t care how they identify. This is the establishment identifying as grassroots. In my world, if you walk like a duck and quack, you’re a duck. It’s the establishment trying to control the system. Exactly. Oh, go ahead. Well, and I think the key here is, Andy… that this is why we can’t have nice things in Colorado. Colorado Republicans need to get back on doing things for the electorate, like keeping us safe through supporting Donald Trump’s immigration policies, through getting men out of women’s sports, through fiscal management and balancing the budget. The irony is these are all layup 80% issues with the electorate and the Colorado establishment who calls themselves the grassroots. It’s opposite day here. they’re more interested with cancer in the primary and giving themselves power than they are with going to the electorate on these issues that are inherently conservative that we can win on. That should tell you everything you need to know about what the Colorado Republican establishment thinks.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I just think it’s preposterous to say 99% of the Republican Party are not the grassroots. Okay, I’m sorry, but that makes no sense to me. Okay, let’s end with this, Eli, because we haven’t even gotten to the big issue, the message. What is the message to half of Colorado’s voters, the unaffiliated voters? We are trying to tell them you are the problem with our candidates. Okay? We want to opt out of the whole reason, the number one thing driving the leadership of the Colorado Republican Party, by the way it is, not Britta, but I’m talking this group.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not Britta, correct. Britta’s doing a great job. Oh, she’s doing a great job. It’s time to give to the party again and support our chair.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, absolutely. Okay. But I’m talking this group. Okay. The, the, the rhino watch people, all this, and they are very powerful. Okay. Over half the state central committee wants us to opt out. All right. They over half the state central committee wants to tell half the voters in the state of Colorado, get off our lawn. You’re the problem here. Eli, what does that message do? How does that sell?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it’s not half. It’s much more than that. They want to tell 80% of people to get off our lawns because… Those people are not interested in truly fighting to keep men out of women’s sports, which is an issue, as I think you know and your listeners know. Right. I’ve been a national leader. They’re not fighting to balance Colorado’s budget. They’re not fighting to keep our city safe. They’re not fighting. They’re too busy fighting against the electorate. And if you want to win, fight for the electorate. Donald Trump won because Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and the auto pen demonstrated that they didn’t care about the electorate. And if Colorado Republicans want to win, follow Trump’s lead. Fight for the electorate instead of fighting with the electorate. The issues are 100 percent on our side. The Democrats are in free fall collapse in Colorado and around the country. And we need to be sitting here going to the electorate and saying we have practical solutions. We are going to work with President Trump on ending sanctuary cities, ending illegal immigration. We’re going to support women’s sports. We’re going to go back to a meritocracy in our military. We’re going to balance the budget. These are things Republicans should own. And guess what? Colorado voters will reward us if that’s what we’re talking about. And if we’re talking about disenfranchising Colorado voters, they’re going to go back to the Democrats because the Democrats have bad policies, but at least they’re talking to the electorate.
SPEAKER 12 :
OK, now, last thing, because right now there are people listening. I know they are. And they’re saying, no, no, no, we’ve got to opt out. And Eli Bremer, you’re a terrible person. You are an establishment fraud. You like Democrats. You hate us. And you want to sell us out. And if we don’t opt out, we’re finished. We’re ruined. What do you have to say to them, Eli?
SPEAKER 04 :
Like I said before, Andy, you can be right. Or you can be married. And I think your wife listens to the show. I’ll bet she’ll text me after and say, no, I’m just kidding. I’ve never been right. And that’s true with the electorate. And that’s what we have to remember is I challenge every single person who’s thinking that right now. They’re out there to say, if you had to give up your sacred cow, your caucus system where the insider establishment picks the candidates, in order for Colorado to return to Republican control, to get our budget balanced, to make our city safe, to get men out of women’s sports, would you do it? And I think, Andy, I hate to say it, most of them would probably say no. I will die on the pill. The fortunate thing is that less than a quarter of a percent of all Republicans, it’s over 50% of the Central Committee, the establishment of the Central Committee, but the vast majority of Republicans in this state want us to return to sanity. And if you’re part of that establishment, if you are one of those insiders on the central committee, take heed to this. Listen to Colorado Republicans. Be on the right side of history on this issue. Our time is now. It is not time for insider baseball. It is time for us to court the electorate. It is time for us to go out and fight for the electorate because Democrats aren’t doing that. They’re fighting with the electorate, and we should fight for the electorate. And if it is more important to you, to have your little pet issue of the caucus system, the insiders taking the candidates. You are the problem. And we need to fix the problem as Republicans in Colorado. We cannot be the problem.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, bottom line is half the state is unaffiliated. To win, we must draw them to us, not kick them out. And I’m sorry, but that’s the way it is. That’s the reality of the market. No, I don’t like open primaries, but that is the market. Eli Bremer, thanks for joining us today.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks, Andy. Appreciate your time.
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SPEAKER 12 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush on the line right now. We’ve got Jersey Joe. Joe, how you doing?
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m doing okay. How you doing? How’s my goomba?
SPEAKER 12 :
Doing all right. Doing all right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Doing all right. Good.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, really quick here. I know you live on the East Coast. Do you go to baseball games and steal baseballs from boys on their birthday?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, I don’t.
SPEAKER 12 :
Actually, Andy, I have always wondered this about you. I just wanted to ask for sure. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
You would actually, I just, I really dislike baseball. So you would have to pay me to go sit through a baseball game.
SPEAKER 12 :
They are slow, aren’t they?
SPEAKER 11 :
They are just incredibly slow.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Well, Joe, we cut into some of your time. So what do you got for me today?
SPEAKER 11 :
I got about an hour and a half worth of stuff here, but we’re going to have to cut that back, I guess. Hey, I’d like to, you know, I always like to start my podcast with my quote of the week. Yes. I’ve got a quote, and I think it’s important to note that the person you’re going to hear, he’s a black professor, because the reason it’s important is if you thought this was a white guy, you’d say he’s a racist. But he’s talking about the difference between equity and equality. It’s the most powerful quote I’ve heard in several months. Can we play this quote? Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
Finally, I want to say equity is not equality. Equity, and I could name them, but I won’t. The writers in the US who are so prominent now in, Ibram X. Kendi comes to mind. In promoting a certain ideology, assert, I see a disparity, I want equity. And by equity, they mean an equal representation. This is not equality. If you use a different standard of assessment in order to achieve equity, you’ve just patronized me. You’ve just communicated tacitly that you don’t think I’m capable of performing according to the objective criteria of assessment as well as anybody else. I am now your client. I am now a ward. I go or come by your leave. This argument that we blacks must be made equal and you have to open up the doors and let us in, never mind that our test scores are not as great, is pathetic. It’s a surrender of dignity. You will not be equal at the end of that argument, even if you get what you ask for. There’s no substitute for earning the respect of your peers. If they granted to you out of guilt or pity, they have just reduced you, not elevated you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Andy, what do you think? I think wow. Wow. When I heard that, it was wow. Just wow. I’ve never heard anybody sum it up as succinctly as that individual did.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I mean, let’s face it. Because when you put in all these programs to supposedly equalize anybody, it can be a race, it can be a gender, it can be whatever, what you’re telling them is you can’t equalize on your own. You need me.
SPEAKER 11 :
You need me. Right. You’re not good enough to make it on your own. And by the way, they did this, I think it was, I’m pretty sure it was Harvard, and I’m going back about four or five years, where they had this program where they were admitting students based on race, even though their test scores weren’t anywhere near as what they normally would require. Right. The failure rate was huge. Yes. And to me, that’s a disservice. In other words, you entice these people to enroll in a college where they couldn’t keep up And they wound up failing, you know, in two, three years of their lives, you know, and God knows how much, you know, how many thousands of dollars in student debt. Whereas had they, you know, gone to a college or even a trade school that was better suited to their skills and aptitude, to me, I think was a huge disservice to say, yeah, we’re going to let you come. We’re going to lower the bar and we’re going to let you try. and then have half of them fail, I thought that was a huge disservice to that group of people.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, absolutely. And this doesn’t mean that we’re not against discrimination. I am against discrimination. Let’s say that you are actively discriminating against a group. I think you should be punished for that. I think that’s wrong. I think that’s bigotry. But nowadays, we call anything that doesn’t equalize outcome discrimination. We’ve ruined the word. That’s not discrimination. Discrimination means that you actively select out people you don’t like and say, I won’t give them positions, I won’t give them promotions, I won’t give them raises, I won’t bring them on their team. You see where I’m going with this. You crush them with active actions, with active actions against them. This is not what they’re talking about. They want you to do active actions to elevate them beyond what their performance has done.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and they would be better off if somebody said, well, you can’t get into Harvard. Well, what are my other options? Well, maybe I’ll go to a different school. Maybe I’ll become an electrician. Maybe I’ll become a carpenter.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, let me ask you this, Joe. Let me ask you this. You heard that man talk. You heard his eloquence. You heard his brilliance. Do you care where he went to school?
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely not.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, but why? Because it doesn’t, you know, folks, you know, all this idea, well, I got to get into the best schools to do it. No, you don’t. You have to be the best. It doesn’t matter where that guy went to get educated because he’s smarter than 99.9% of the people around him everywhere he goes.
SPEAKER 11 :
And that will show through, you know, that will, you know, if you, well, if you have the intellect and the motivation or the work ethic, you know, you’re willing to put in the work, you will succeed in this, in this world.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, especially with people who believe in you rather than propping you up. Okay, what do you got next?
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, I want to play Bill Maher. You know, Bill Maher, you know, I think Bill Maher’s maybe took an injection or something. Bill Maher, I think, is becoming a conservative. We’ve got a clip of Bill Maher telling everybody why Gen Zers as a group are stupid. Can we play Bill Maher?
SPEAKER 20 :
Here we go. 20% of Gen Z agree with the statement, society would be better off if all property was owned by the public and managed by the government. And another 29% say they don’t know if that’s a good idea. Here’s who does know. Anyone who wasn’t born yesterday. So when you say, you’re old, you don’t get it, get what? Abolish the police and the border patrol and capitalism and cancel Lincoln? No, I get it. The problem isn’t that I don’t get what you’re saying or that I’m old. The problem is that your ideas are stupid.
SPEAKER 11 :
Wow. Wow. Who would have thought you’d hear that coming out of Bill Maher?
SPEAKER 12 :
I know. It’s incredible. I mean, you listen to Mamdani, and he puts forth all these ideas, right? None of them work. All of his ideas are used in countries that people flee to come here.
SPEAKER 11 :
And they’ve been used in Kansas City, Missouri, and they The city owned and operated grocery store failed. Two weeks later, the city said we have to discontinue the free bus service. because they become rolling homeless shelters. When it’s cold and rainy, the homeless get on the free buses and just ride them and sleep on them all day to get out of the cold and get out of the rain.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, see, and you know who would have known that in advance? Real people who know real people, okay? Socialists are not real people. They aren’t. They’re nuts, okay? They don’t understand real people. What they understand is what they want to make people into. how they want to redesign people. Capitalists look at people as they are and sell to them and serve them. It’s totally different. I mean, it’s an entirely different worldview. It’s reality versus none. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
And let’s talk about the impact. Over the past 20 years, at first we had Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, succeeded by Nicolas Maduro. Now, 20 years ago, Venezuela had a population of 25 million, and I think they were the fifth or sixth richest nation on earth before Hugo Chavez took over. In the past 20 years, they’ve lost a third of their population, 8 million people. Let’s put this in perspective. That’s the equivalent of if 100 million Americans fled this country. Can you imagine if we lost a third of our population?
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. It’s unthinkable.
SPEAKER 11 :
But that’s socialism. You know, Just add Venezuela to Cuba to North Korea to, you know, what used to be East Berlin. You know, it’s one example of the failure of socialism after another. And Venezuela is dissolving before our eyes. And, of course, Trump right now has a bounty on Maduro. I think $50 million if somebody can kidnap him and turn him in. And, by the way, it is a narco-terrorist state. I mean, the drugs are coming up. with his full blessing, that boat that they blew out of the water the other day, that was launched from Venezuela.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Well, Joe, you know, here’s the bottom line, and this is what we as Republicans need to tell people around us. You don’t have to go into long speeches. You don’t have to bore them with a bunch of economics and talk that they’re not going to understand. You don’t have to do that. It’s very simple. You look at them and say, I want you to have an economy people run to, not from.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. They run from socialist nations to America. They run from blue states to red. They run from urban areas to suburban and rural areas. You don’t have to ask me. You can just look. That’s where all the people are flowing. Okay. So if those ideas work. Then all the urban areas should be paradise. All the blue states should be paradise. All the social socialist nations should be paradise. Why aren’t they?
SPEAKER 11 :
People would be building rafts and sailing to Cuba. Yes. But no. When’s the last time somebody built a raft and sailed to Cuba?
SPEAKER 12 :
Never.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
How many people are flooding here from more capitalist nations? Do you see a lot of people trying to get here right now from Poland?
SPEAKER 11 :
No. Yes. I’m sorry. No, I’m sorry. Not from Poland.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. But for much of Europe. Yeah, absolutely. Because Europe is burning itself down with what? Socialism.
SPEAKER 11 :
And by the way, France just the second government in less than a year. They just the government collapsed in France. The existing prime minister has had to resign because he lost the vote. That’s two governments in less than 12 months have failed in. because they’re drowning in debt because of the social programs.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it doesn’t work. Okay, let’s take a break. We’ll come back with more of Jersey Joe. Up next is Dr. Scott. You need a great doctor, but you don’t need to wait several weeks. You need someone right now. Dr. Scott Faulkner, he can see you in days. That’s right, days. For the best care that puts you first, call Dr. Scott at 303-663-6990.
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This isn’t rage radio. This is real, relatable radio. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 12 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush on the line right now. We’ve got Jersey Joe. Joe, before we go any further, how can people see your stuff?
SPEAKER 11 :
If you go to the Jersey Joe website, jerseyjoe.com. Jersey spelled J-E-R as in Robert, Z as in zebra, E-E, jerseyjoe.com. If you’d like to get on the distribution list so you don’t have to go hunt and pack for it, I will email it to you when we publish it once a week. And you can do that by just sending an email to just Joe at JerseyJoe.com. Just remember to spell Jersey with an R, a Z, and two E’s. All right. What do you got next? I’ve got another clip I’d like to… Remember when it used to be Fight for 15 and everybody got the 15? Now it’s Fight for 20. And we have a clip of this gentleman explaining to a woman why… the higher minimum wage helps big companies like Walmart and Amazon and hurts little mom and pop companies. So can we play that clip?
SPEAKER 17 :
The governor here says we’re going to raise the minimum wage to $20 an hour. Who do you think can afford it? The market that’s been within a family, the small business. We think Walmart. Who do you think can afford to go to $20 an hour minimum wage?
SPEAKER 16 :
So that’s why I think we have to factor in other systems other than capitalism. I think you’re kind of making the point that’s been made a few times today where we can’t just look at one thing.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, this hasn’t been made. The point I’m making here is any time a Bernie Sanders gets up and says, let’s raise the minimum wage for $15, and he was caught in his campaign not paying his own workers $15, $13 an hour, and he had to talk about it and apologize that even a guy that’s a socialist wasn’t paying a minimum wage, But if you raise it to $15, Amazon celebrates. Walmart celebrates. Do you know why? Because the employers from this supermarket that have been working for this family for the longest time, they can’t afford to pay that. So they leave and go to Amazon and Walmart. What happens? The bigger companies keep getting bigger. The small businesses go out of business because of minimum wage.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, absolutely. I mean, big companies love it. Yeah, we have to pay more for our workers up front, and that sucks. But that’s totally worth it if we get rid of, you know, competitors. We want them gone. Go ahead, Joe.
SPEAKER 11 :
Another one. Now, Chicago, in addition to all their shootings and whatnot, a study came out. This is by the State Board of Education. They had 80 schools where not one single student tested as provisioned. Can you imagine you have got a school that’s got 350 kids, and out of those 350 kids, the number that tested positive proficient in math was zero. Unreal. Zero. Now, out of those 80, by the way, about roughly 50 were in Chicago. Let me read you some of the graduation rates in some of these Chicago schools.
SPEAKER 1 :
21%, 28%, 43%.
SPEAKER 12 :
Joe, and this is with, really quick, this is with lowered standards.
SPEAKER 11 :
With lowered standards, right. Yeah, go ahead. And they’re spending… $22,000 per student, $26,000 per student, $36,000. Can you imagine you’re spending $36,000 per student, you’ve got a 21% graduation rate, and not one student in your entire school tested as proficient in math. What’s wrong with this system?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it’s a failed system. It’s an absolutely failed system. It’s not geared toward success. It’s not geared toward getting these people to where they can succeed in life. It’s geared toward pushing agenda.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, just getting them, pushing them through the system. And, of course, the teachers’ union, by the way, the ratio of administrators to teachers now in Chicago is roughly 50-50. Wow. That’s how you get – how your political friends get appointed. You become – An administrator in school. Hey, I know we only got a minute left. Let’s talk about Canada real quick. Yeah. What do you think the leading cause of death in Canada is? Do you think it’s drugs? Do you think it’s traffic accidents? Do you think it’s heart attacks? Do you think it’s cancer? Do you think it’s old age? What do you think the leading cause of death is in Canada? I don’t have a clue. What is it? Assisted suicide. You want to want to guess how many people. Really? Yeah. You’re kidding me. More than like heart disease or more than heart disease, more than cancer, more than traffic accidents, more than drug overdoses. Fifteen thousand seven hundred people died from assisted suicide last year in Canada. My goodness. And Canada only has a population, I think, of thirty five million people. It’s just. Incredible. You know, they’re now mailing. It used to be when they first pitched this, it was, oh, it’s going to be tightly controlled. They thought it might be 300 or 400 a year. Andy, it’s 15,700 a year.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, are all these people choosing this on their own? Or you see, what worries me is when you have a socialist government and you have assisted suicide, they’re going to start looking at that and say, we will assist you in making this decision. We think you are no longer contributing enough to our society.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, if you read the long article, yes, the government is actually encouraging and they’re throwing that out as an option, even though the The person never brought it up. The people in the government are bringing it. Have you considered assisted suicide?
SPEAKER 12 :
Really? Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, man. Yes. Hey, one more real quick. Yeah, keep going. We got time. All right. You’re familiar with Section 8 housing, right? Yes. Well, there’s a Colorado publication called Center Square. They did a study. Do you know what the average length of time that people are living in Section 8 housing is in this country? I don’t. 15 years and it’s supposed to be transitional to get you back on your feet now trump is pushing to make it two by the way that’s the average some have been more than 25 years it’s intergenerational yeah and you want to know how much they’ll cover how much they’ll cover um they did this study they’ll cover up to the rent they’ll cover 95 of a rent on a 3800 a month home wow in other words All you have to pay out of pocket is $435. Now, let me tell you what you get down in Colorado Springs. You get a five-bedroom, four-bath home, 3,790 square feet that has a home theater and a three-car garage. And HUD will pick up 95% of the rental cost of that home.
SPEAKER 12 :
Look, you are simply robbing the rest of society. That’s all you’re doing at that point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I mean, my home is not 3,790 square feet, and I don’t have a home theater in my house. Why, you’ve taken away any incentive to, you know, if it were me, Andy, I might not kick him out overnight, but I would say, hey, we’re going to cut your subsidy down every year. The amount you get from us is going to be reduced, pick a number, 10%, 15%, but certainly we’re not going to pay for your housing for the next 25 years, which is what this program has turned into. There’s zero incentive to improve their lot in life.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but you know what worries me is that you put out these factoids like that. And it’s true. It’s totally true. I don’t know how well the Trump administration is going to do getting those facts out when they’re trying to convince people we can really cut some serious money. You have no idea how much money we are giving people to have free homes, basically.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I mean, we’re paying roughly on that $3,800 a month We’re paying $3,500 a month on that $3,800 a month home.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, by the taxpayer. I mean, how can you? Joe, how can we continue that? We can’t.
SPEAKER 11 :
We’re going to go under. That’s $40,000 a year. We’re spending $40,000 a year to pay for somebody with low income. This is incomes under $20,000 a year. to live in a four-bedroom home with a three-car garage and a home theater.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, whatever happened to them simply living within their means? Because that’s what the rest of us have to do. Joe, we’ve got to head out with that. Thank you so much for joining us, and we’ll talk to you next time.
SPEAKER 11 :
You take care, Eddie. You too. Bye-bye.
SPEAKER 12 :
You bet. That’s Jersey Joe. Folks, that’s it for today. Hour 1 replays next. John Rush is going to return tomorrow with me, and we’re going to be talking economics with Jordan Goodman in Hour 1. I can’t wait. Until then, drive safe, God bless, and thanks for joining us at Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
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