Join John Rush and Andy Pate for a deep dive into the current state of the GOP gubernatorial race in Colorado. In this episode, they dissect the ongoing rivalry between major candidates Victor Marks and Scott Bottoms and the divisive role of social media troll armies. The hosts explore how these online skirmishes not only impact the candidates but also fracture the larger body of the GOP, potentially influencing the party’s chances of success in elections.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. I appreciate it very much. All right, switching gears. Andy put a post out on Facebook the other day that I literally copied, pasted, put into our notes today because I think we’ve talked about this some in the past, normally a little earlier in the show than now, but we had other things we talked about the first two hours, and I thought, you know, today as we kind of wind things down, we head into the… latter part of the year. Reality, this will probably be the last time you and I have to chat about this until we get into the new year. And for a lot of folks that are out there listening, whereby, you know, you are in one of several camps when it comes to the GOP, you know, gubernatorial race here in Colorado. And some of you may have time to ponder some of this over the holidays itself. I just felt like Andy and I needed to discuss a few things today. And, yes, I know we discussed some of this previous, but even with the discussions we’ve had, how should I say this, Andy? Nothing’s changing. We’re continuing down this pathway to destruction is probably the best way for me to say it because we’ve got different factions of the GOP here in Colorado that, frankly, are just absolute total knuckleheads.
SPEAKER 10 :
They are.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t know how else to say it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I wanted to talk about two factions in particular.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
And don’t get me wrong. There’s a lot of good people in these factions. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
But I’m talking about the supporters of Victor Marx and Scott Bottoms.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. So specifically those two for right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Specifically those two for right now. No, they’re not the only ones. Okay. But this is the biggest because here’s what’s going on. They’re at war. All right. And I wanted to say, and here’s how I let it off, and then we’ll just talk.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
I said, excuse me, let me say something about Victor Marks and Scott Bottoms. They’re both good men. I like them. Either would represent a massive improvement for Colorado. Their followers, however, act like warring internet troll armies.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, they do.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m sorry, folks, but that’s how they appear.
SPEAKER 08 :
They do.
SPEAKER 10 :
And, you know, right now there are these rabid attacks against Victor Marks. Okay. Because he’s the top dog. I get that. But they’re crazy. And I said they sound exactly like Candace Owens attacking TPUSA. Tons of, they would say factual concerns, factual, factual, factual, with zero tangible evidence. They have no proof of any of it. Okay, I mean, unbelievable things they’re accusing the guy of. And then I even had somebody come out and say, well, gee, if even 5% of it is true, then he’s a terrible guy. And I’m like, that’s the whole point. Okay, that’s why you do internet troll army work. You try to, you flood the zone with a million accusations about a person because you want people to think, well, geez, if 5% of this is right, this must be a bad guy. And by the way, for all I know he is, I don’t know Victor Marks, okay? I don’t know him at all. Never met him. Never talked to him.
SPEAKER 08 :
Me neither.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. But this is largely the Scott Bottoms supporters. Now, I’ve got to be honest. The Scott Bottom supporters largely come from the Rhino Watch group. But, you know, folks, it goes both ways. I’ve noticed this, that both the Victor Marks and Scott Bottom supporters, they don’t listen to you at all. Ever. You’re talking to a bot. Now, they’re actually human, but they come off like a bot. You try to talk to them, and all they do is cheerlead for their guy and then reel off conspiracy theories about the other guy. And… Honestly, it is like talking to a Candace supporter. It’s like talking to somebody who supports Candace, one of these Israel-hating bots. They don’t care. It doesn’t matter what you say. They believe every conspiracy they’ve heard. And their person is right. And they’ll lead the way to the promised land. Here’s the problem, John. Number one, they’re not listening to anybody. Number two, they’re throwing bombs at each other nonstop. Number three, the rest of us are stuck in the middle wondering, what is happening to our party? Look, we are fighting over the smallest party, the smallest of the major parties in Colorado. Well, here’s what I mean. Who are the biggest? Unaffiliated, it’s 50%. Democrats are second biggest, and they’re much bigger than us, the third biggest. And here we’re having this ridiculous war over the third biggest. How on earth is that going to result in… in a unified candidate winning you tell me it’s not I mean, have you seen some of these people online?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, I have. What’s it like listening to them? No, I’ve watched some of the posts online. Andy is not wrong. There is such vitriol between a lot of these particular individuals. In fact, for me, it’s almost like, you know, where’s the popcorn? I’m just going to keep reading because it’s that entertaining.
SPEAKER 10 :
It can be.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s absolutely ridiculous. And as I said last week, and I meant this, and I don’t think I’m wrong, if we don’t get this fixed, we don’t have a snowball’s chance of winning.
SPEAKER 10 :
No.
SPEAKER 08 :
So for those of you that are listening that are on both sides of this, and I get it. It’s your guy. And I know it’s what you do leading into a primary. I get that. But be careful because everything you talk about on the front side will be used against your particular candidate on down the road if your particular candidate wins. So be careful of the things that you go back and forth on because that’s liable to catch him or her on down the line when they’re the actual candidate running for office of governor in Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. See, what this has become online, John, is a troll war. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, you’re right about that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and folks, if you were a supporter of Victor Marx or Scott Bottoms, listen to me very closely. And I like both these guys. Scott Bottoms, his beliefs are a lot like mine.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, very much so.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Now, I think that it would be very hard for him to sell to Colorado because Colorado’s beliefs— He’s too much like you and I, Andy. Yeah, because Colorado’s beliefs are not a lot like mine. Okay, that’s the whole point. It’s a blue-leaning state, strongly blue-leaning, okay? And because of that, I think Scott would have a hard time selling to the state. But set that apart for a moment. Set it apart. If you are a supporter of Victor Marks and Scott Bottoms, I’m telling you right now, and I’m telling you the honest truth, listen— Your troll war is turning everybody else off.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
And you can say, but I’m right. We’re right. We’re telling the truth. We’re shining the light. We’re giving the best. This is our guy. I’m telling you, he can lead us. Guys, it doesn’t matter because here’s what’s going to happen. You are turning everybody else off in the body. You’re crushing their spirits. They don’t want to hear from either of you. They’re coming to not believe either of you. Why? Because no matter which side they talk to, all they hear is rah-rah and shout-downs. And here’s what’s going to happen. One of these people is going to become the candidate. Okay, I don’t know. Maybe one of those two, maybe somebody else. But here’s the thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think you’re right in that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Whoever becomes the candidate, you’re going to have such division. And not just division, but deflation. People are deflated. People who are not following your two candidates right now are so deflated by your troll war, they feel walled out. that they’re not gonna be excited to get behind that candidate in the general election. And let me tell you something, in that general election in a blue state where the other party already dramatically outnumbers you and unaffiliated’s lean left, You have to have somebody who can dramatically reach outside the base. Guess what? The only way to do that is if they have a totally unified and excited army behind them. You’re crushing that.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Again, talking about the gubernatorial race in Colorado. And again, still too many GOP candidates in the race.
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s true.
SPEAKER 08 :
In fact, a lot of you that are in the race currently, if you’re listening to me, really need to think hard about and long about what you’re doing, and by the time the first of the year rolls around, which is really in about two and a half weeks, you need to really take a hard look at should you be in the race, because if you can’t race, and we talked about this, I think Steve House and I were talking about this on Thursday, and if you can’t race, A total of about $4 million heading into the primary, because once you’re the primary winner, yes, you’ll have other money coming in to help defeat the other opposition after that. But if you don’t have a solid $4 million heading into the primary, don’t run. Get out. Stop now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, because I got news for you. Bennett is going to be loaded.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s going to have the kind of money you’ve never dreamed of.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, and look…
SPEAKER 08 :
And quite frankly, there’s not a single person running right now on the GOP ticket that can, in my opinion, raise $4 million on the front side. And there’s probably only one that can come close to raising that kind of money, and that’s Victor.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sorry, guys. I’m being straight up on this, folks. I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 10 :
Here’s the thing, John. The only way, and I hate to come off like a Victor Marks commercial. I don’t even know him.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t either.
SPEAKER 10 :
There could be real problems with Marks where I look at him and say, no way. Okay. I really seriously don’t know him. I’m only talking in terms of the Colorado market.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s the only one. Right. The only way a Republican is going to win in Colorado is if they have a movement behind them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
He is the only one with a movement behind him. And that movement has been largely apolitical. It’s a church movement for the most part. And you could say, well, that’s mostly Republican. Yes, it is. But it’s a church movement that actually extends beyond the Republican Party, which makes it a little bit like MAGA nationally. And that is something that’s very much in his favor. Now, if we look at some of the other candidates really quick here. I said some problems with each one, and I want you to comment on them. They’re very brief. Okay. Barb Kirkmeyer. Okay. She would have the greatest reach to the middle, but she would likely be abandoned by the, I call them Marxists and bottoms dwellers. It was just too easy to write those labels.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, you’re right about that.
SPEAKER 10 :
But you know what I mean. And you’re right. The supporters of Marx, I think, are not… All that interested in the Republican Party, they’re interested in their guy.
SPEAKER 08 :
In that person.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Correct. Okay, I don’t think that they, obviously there’s a core of them that would, but I think beyond that core, I don’t think that they would rally behind Barb Kirkmeyer. Scott Bottoms, his followers are the type who will flat out stay home if their guy isn’t in.
SPEAKER 08 :
Actually, it’ll be opposite of that even, Andy. They’ll campaign for the other side? Yeah, the Scott Bottom supporters will either convince Scott to run as an independent or they’ll get behind some other person that is an independent. If Scott decides, because I think Scott’s a genuine guy like us and probably wouldn’t do that, but they would convince somebody else to be running as an independent that they would go throw all of their weight behind. So at the end of the day, not only, Andy, will they just, I mean, they won’t just sit out. They will campaign heavily against the person that actually does win the primary.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. You’re saying that, to a degree, they’ll pull a Ron Hanks.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. They’ll do it again. They’ve already done it once, Andy. They’ve already proven they’ll do it. Right. I do not think Scott is Ron Hanks. No, I don’t think he’s him. But correct me if I’m wrong.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
Past performance is a pretty good indicator of future behavior. Correct. They’ve already done it. Why wouldn’t they do it again?
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. They have no loyalty.
SPEAKER 08 :
Zero.
SPEAKER 10 :
They have no loyalty. They’re turning on Trump right now because he doesn’t hate Israel enough. A lot of them are. And I’m not saying all of Scott Bottom’s supporters. They’re divided like everybody else on that issue.
SPEAKER 08 :
But you’re correct on that. You’re right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. They’re not loyal to the Republican Party. They’re not just going to vote the R. And they’ll say it’s because of their principles. No, it’s because they’re not loyal. It’s because they want their way to the highway. Because if you care about the principles, then you will vote strategically to advance them the most possible in that setting. But if you only care about your way or the highway and you care about party power, then you will basically hold the party hostage and say, we’re going to leave if you don’t do what we say. The Scott Bottoms followers are the most willing to leave. and not support the candidate, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 10 :
But I do think there is a portion of the Marx supporters, too, simply because they’re not traditional Republicans. Okay, so my first concern about Barb Kirkmeyer is… You know, and also I think there’s a question of pizzazz there, you know, to be able to actually excite the electorate. But setting that aside, she, because of her views, would appeal most to the middle, outside the base.
SPEAKER 08 :
Probably.
SPEAKER 10 :
But I think she would lose the most of the base, and that would kill her off. I don’t think she could win in the general because of that. What do you think?
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree with you on that one. I’ve already said that in the past.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, next one. Greg Lopez.
SPEAKER 08 :
Really quick. Barr’s biggest problem to win in Colorado, across the board, especially those even in the middle, she’s too much of a politician.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, she comes off like one, too.
SPEAKER 08 :
She acts like a politician. So because of that, you don’t have a snowball’s chance.
SPEAKER 10 :
Sorry, it’s nothing personal.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it’s just the way it is. We’re being honest about all of them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, she just comes.
SPEAKER 08 :
She speaks like a politician.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. And people, let’s face it, they like something fresh.
SPEAKER 08 :
They don’t want that.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, they’ll take that on the Democrat side. Bennett comes off like that or worse, but they don’t care on that side.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because he has all the policies that go with it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, and they outnumber us.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
So they don’t care. Okay, next one, Greg Lopez. I said he is formidable, but his attempts to reach the middle will alienate our base.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I like Greg. Greg’s a great guy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, he’s a great guy. I’ve always liked Greg. I don’t think Greg, you know, on paper you would think he would appeal the most beyond the base. He’s Hispanic, very Hispanic state. Look, for those who get into demographic destiny, there you go. I don’t. But I just I think that Greg appeals to both sides of the party, both the bottoms people. I don’t know about the Marx people, but both the bottoms people and the traditionalists. I just don’t think he has shown the charisma to reach beyond the base and to reach the middle. What do you think?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and again, I like Greg dearly, and so this is nothing against anybody in particular. And much like we were talking openly about every candidate so far, my fear with Greg, number one, I felt like Greg should have been – Our GOP chair, sorry, everybody listening, and sorry, Britta, but I really felt like Greg should have stepped out of that role and actually become GOP chair because I think he would have done a better job of uniting the forces there to create something that we could move forward in regards to even what we’re talking about right now. But he didn’t do that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, yeah, because he was not involved in the whole war leading into that like Britta was. Britta was part of the war leading into that.
SPEAKER 08 :
He was the most neutral person that could have done that and probably made some change at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s no slight umbrella.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, no, no. Guys, I’m just being honest. Again, I’m not throwing anybody under the bus, just being very honest in my opinion on things. And the one thing that I feel like hurts Greg moving forward is the fact he’s already done it twice with no success.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sorry, I’m just being 100% honest on that.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s come up short during times when the state was less blue than it is now.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. So what makes me think it’s going to get any better this time around?
SPEAKER 10 :
You don’t. Okay, next person, Mark Baisley. I think Mark Baisley is the safest choice. But as I write here, safe choices like Beaupre, Stapleton, and Ganahl, all fine people, they offered bland messaging that bombed with Colorado voters. They made no splash. They were rocks skipping across the water with no rings. I mean, no impact whatsoever. Not bad people, wonderful people, good people, okay? I mean, I don’t know them all personally, but I mean, overall, they seem like good people. But they were just safe choices that made no splash. In Colorado, when you’re coming, when you are the minority party like we are to such a degree, you got to make a splash. And I worry that Baisley would not. What do you think?
SPEAKER 08 :
I love Mark. In fact, out of all of them, as far as personal relationships go and having conversation and so on, I like Mark dearly. He and I, I consider Mark to be a really good friend, Andy, and I mean that sincerely. I love Mark dearly. He’s got a great heart. Would he lead the state? Well, absolutely. Oh, yeah. I think the biggest issue that Mark’s going to have is just the dynamics of everything. And an extremely, extremely intelligent guy. But I think in this case, you’re going to have to have some extreme dynamic performances to actually be able to move that middle where you need them to vote for you. I agree to say that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep. A guy named Bob Brinkerhoff, a good man, but name recognition is going to be uphill battle with him. Nobody knows him. A good guy, though. Good guy. I know him from online. Mike Sell or McBride? Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Don’t know them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Now, I’m going to say this, especially Mike Sell. He’s a sheriff. These are good guys, but the problem is they’re starting at ground zero. I will say this. Mike Sell is somebody who sells to a lot of the base if they know him. He could be a dark horse. Okay. Now, I’m going to tell you right now, I think our candidate is going to be Victor Marks. OK, and just because he’s got the numbers, he’s got the support. He has the energy. He has the movement. And I think that that is going to propel him in the primary. I do.
SPEAKER 08 :
OK.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. I don’t think Scott Bottoms can possibly win the primary. Well, no, I don’t want to say that. I just don’t think he’s likely to. OK. And part of that is because some of the people who support him are people who have annoyed a lot of people. all right, they’ve made a lot of enemies, and so they’re not very good recruiters.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, good point.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think we’re looking at Victor Marks. I do. I don’t know that, but I mean, and by the way, that could be totally blown up with, you know, a few things coming out about him in February or March. So I’m talking early on right now. But if it isn’t Victor Marks, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s an outsider like Mike Self.
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SPEAKER 08 :
All right, we are back. Go ahead, Andy. No, go ahead. Take it away. You’re fine. Take it away.
SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John Rush together with Andy Pate. We are talking about gubernatorial candidates for the GOP. Really quick here on Jason Mikesell.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
And he is, refresh our memories.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, he’s a sheriff.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sheriff, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, he’s a sheriff. I forget where from. I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ll think of it in a second. Teller County.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Teller County Sheriff.
SPEAKER 10 :
Which, by the way, I love Teller County. Now, he is a guy who… It’s much more on one issue, public safety and crime. Now he, and the other issues, he is very much of a not push any big agenda guy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. It even says here right on his website. Let me see here. We will work for all Coloradoans and not be swayed by extreme views of any interest group or single issue.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
We will provide clear, unambiguous leadership across all of our agencies and departments. Okay. Let’s set that aside. Basically, he’s not going to be a big zealot. All right. Now, public safety and crime. This is short. There’s been a considerable erosion of public safety and an exponential increase in crime in Colorado that must be addressed quickly and effectively. Okay. The focus of this administration will be on the safety of our residents and not on policies which excuse criminal behavior or decriminalize crime. Illegal drug use, illegal immigration, human trafficking, and violent crimes including murder and rape must no longer be tolerated. Our goal will be to take Colorado from the third most dangerous state in the country to the safest state. We will work with our federal and local law enforcement agencies and reinstate the rule of law. Okay. Let me tell you something, John. That is one issue that I think is 60-40 in our favor.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
What do you think? If you’re going to mean if you’re going to you and I have talked about some issues that you would want to stress. OK, I think that’s one of them. I think crime is an issue.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s a big issue.
SPEAKER 10 :
Really favor. There aren’t many issues that favor the Republican Party in Colorado, but I think that is one. What do you think?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree with you on that one. I think it does as well. And as you and I have talked many times, between that, transportation, homelessness, I mean, that’s one of those key talking points that I feel like is pretty universal. Not with the hardcore left. They’re not going to care one way or the other, Andy, at the end of the day. But that middle-of-the-road voter, when you start talking some of the things that I just mentioned, yes, I think that’s sort of a universal dilemma problem that we have going on in Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree. Now, he does talk about housing, and he says, let’s be real about this. The price of building materials, land, interest rates, and tariffs all play a role in affordability, and the state has little to no control in that regard. That’s a good, honest statement. When the state can play a role is in the common sense application of building energy and I can’t really read this word, W-L something, W-U-I codes. Okay, whatever. Current mandates and overreach by our legislature have resulted in the current non-affordability of housing in Colorado. He’s right. And he basically is saying this. He wants to talk about affordability, things that hit home, affordability, housing, water. But his big issue is crime. Right. Okay. Let’s think ahead and imagine if Jason Mikesell emerged as the dark horse. Because I’m going to call it right now, he is my dark horse.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Early on. We’ll see if he gets any money. What if he were to become our candidate? Could that possibly sell to Colorado?
SPEAKER 08 :
Law enforcement background helps.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
For a lot of individuals, including folks in the middle. It doesn’t help with the hardcore left. We don’t care about them anyways. They’re not voting for us or him or anybody else on our side, no matter what. Anyway, so that’s irrelevant. Yeah. I’ve heard him speak. He’s not a bad speaker at all as far as his dynamics and all that is concerned.
SPEAKER 01 :
His delivery is pretty good.
SPEAKER 08 :
Delivery is not bad at all. I mean, he’s been in a job whereby you have to do some of that in your job. So I think the other thing that he brings to the table is just an understanding overall of how things, especially in law enforcement, work. Some of the issues we have, again, with crime safety, how do you handle homelessness, a lot of those different things. I think he brings some… some clout to the table. I’m not arguing with you. I think as a dark horse, I mean, I think he’s a long shot, but I think he probably, as a dark horse, I don’t think you’re wrong.
SPEAKER 10 :
And here’s why I say this, John. Imagine Bennett debating him, and we get to these issues. Okay, we’re talking about, Bennett would treat issues like crime and homelessness very lightly. Okay, he wouldn’t care. He really wouldn’t. He would treat these as things like, oh, we’re doing fine, just put more money to it, yada, yada, yada. And he wouldn’t understand what’s really happening on the streets.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, good point, good point.
SPEAKER 10 :
He would be debating a guy who deals with criminals, who deals with homelessness, who deals with crime. who understands why a criminal commits a crime and wants to do it again and what it takes to get that person to not want to do it again.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 10 :
It just seems to me that Bennett would get hit in the face with a lot of realism that he’s probably not going to get from some of these other guys. Now, Victor Marks, the interesting thing, he’s very evangelical. And I’m not just saying as a Christian, I mean in his approach. He’s like a preacher, right? OK, and I don’t know how well that sells to the middle in Colorado, but inspiring people inspire everybody.
SPEAKER 08 :
True.
SPEAKER 10 :
What do you think?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree. And again, early on.
SPEAKER 10 :
Early on.
SPEAKER 08 :
Totally early on. Yeah, we’re way early in this. We’re just spitballing, throwing some things out there to a lot of you listening. I will say this, that I do feel like, and I said this last week, we’ve got to get to a point where we’re down to three, four candidates by, honestly, I want to see by January. I know it’s not going to happen, but we need to be down to three or four candidates by January. This ridiculousness of having 18 to 20 candidates. I get a few have dropped out, but It’s absolutely ridiculous. We need to get things really, you know, weaned out and really changed immensely before then. Otherwise, we’re not going to be able to unify and really raise what needs to happen money wise to the individual that ends up being our primary winner. So frankly, we need to get this down to three or four top candidates in as soon as ways we possibly can, Andy, to be able to move forward. That’s my opinion. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, now I’m going to ask you something because you know me. I’m into politics and strategy and messaging and all that. You’re very knowledgeable about it because you talk about it every day, but it’s my wheelhouse. That’s perfect. You’re the customer now.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re the voter. Okay, understanding where Colorado is and what sells and what doesn’t, what hasn’t worked in the past. Think about Beaupre, Stapleton, Ganahl, the hopelessness of those approaches. Okay, and also the hopelessness of some of the hardline approaches that we’ve put forward. They just got crushed.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that doesn’t work either.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. If our candidate is any of these three people, what do you expect? Kirkmeyer, Lopez, Baisley. Could any of them sell? Would any of them be fresh and different and sell to this state enough to even compete? Be honest. I’m just asking you to be hard.
SPEAKER 08 :
Out of the three, Baisley probably has the most chance of the other two.
SPEAKER 10 :
I would agree.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s my initial thought.
SPEAKER 10 :
I would think Baisley has the most. My question about Baisley would be, can he come off as fresh and different? Correct. But do Baisley’s views and his, by the way, also… He’s a good guy.
SPEAKER 08 :
He really is. He’s a solid guy. No, they’re all good people. But Mark, I mean, Mark especially, he’s filled in on this show before in the past. He’s just a solid guy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. If you just think about Mark, I mean, do you think he would connect with enough people to possibly break through? Or do you think he would just come off as too plain? Good guy. But is he the sexy date that the girl takes home politically? See what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 08 :
Therein lies my fear. Okay. And you know my fear on all of that. And, again, I feel like at this point, and I could be completely wrong, but I think it comes down to, again, three, four candidates. You just named, I believe, Mark. I think the Sheriff of Teller County, Bottoms, and Marks are probably the top four contenders right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. So you would not have Kirk Meyer in there?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, because I don’t think she’s got a chance of winning no matter what anyways. Even if she wins the primary, she’s not going to win. I’m sorry. I like Barb, but I think she’ll lose the base. Yeah, being openly honest. And I don’t feel like Greg has that same chance either. I know there’s people out there that would differ with me on that. He himself probably would differ with me. But no, I don’t think that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Greg’s a good guy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, he’s a great guy. So Barb’s fine too. At the end of the day, though, I don’t see either one of them having what it takes to get it across the finish line.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I look at Barb and Greg.
SPEAKER 08 :
And by the way, I’m going to say this, Andy. It’s going to be hard for any of our candidates to get it across the finish line. That’s the problem here.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, we’re looking for a unicorn. That’s what I’m saying.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that’s the problem is anybody in Colorado that’s on our side of the aisle trying to get it across the finish line, Andy, is going to be very, very, very, very difficult.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. John, let’s put it this way. Let’s say Colorado leaned in.
SPEAKER 08 :
Red, rather than being fairly deeply leaning blue. Yeah, different conversation.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, then I’ll be honest. I would look at Baisley and Lopez and basically say, take one of them, they’re the safest bet, and they’re just going to win.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re probably right. Yeah, you’re probably correct on that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because I like Greg Lopez a lot.
SPEAKER 08 :
He’s a good guy. Andy, of all of the ones we’re mentioning, I could sit down and go have a cup of coffee or do whatever with any of them. I don’t have a problem with any one of them as far as that goes. I like Barb. I like her. I mean, on the whole list, I don’t know the sheriff of Teller County, and I don’t know Victor Marks. But everybody else I know enough to sit down and have a cup of coffee. I’ve had conversations with them in the past. That would not be a problem at all. And I like all of them. There’s no issues with any of them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. I mean, I know that, like online, I see Barb Kirkmeyer online. Her posts are very rational, intelligent. Yeah. I like her.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I have no issues that way whatsoever.
SPEAKER 10 :
But we’re talking about pizzazz. We’re talking about somebody different who can be that unicorn who can compete. And let’s face it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because we are in a deep blue state, folks. A deep blue state.
SPEAKER 10 :
So you would narrow it down to those four. You know what? I agree. And by the way, of those four, I think Bottoms would perform the worst statewide. even though Bottoms is the most like me. Isn’t that crazy? I mean, I’m a lot like Scott Bottoms. I really am. I like him. I think he would perform the worst statewide out of those four. What do you think?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Again, Andy, you’re rarely wrong when it comes to these things because you watch a lot of just the demographics, the polling. You and I both, I think, know very much what our market in Colorado is like. We understand the market. We talk about the market a lot. We talk about what it takes to – to actually market to the market, how you actually get a candidate to win in this particular market. And unfortunately, we have a lot of folks in our state right now, inside of the GOP, that quite frankly have no idea what I just said. That’s the problem.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, you know one real problem I think Scott Bottoms has in the primary? He’s a great guy. A lot of his followers aren’t. A lot of them are. There are some wonderful Scott Bottoms followers, but boy, oh boy, there are some.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there’s some that because they’re so hardcore in the rhino watch end of things that they’re wackadoodles.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m sorry, Andy. They just are. They’re wackadoodles.
SPEAKER 10 :
And they’re just flat out mean.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, these are the same people that feel like it’s okay to primary a Hurd or a Gabe Evans. I mean, these people are absolute wackadoodles. No, we don’t need to primary either one of those. It’s going to be hard to win enough as it is. The last thing we need to do is make some sort of a change with a weaker candidate, which is what these particular individuals want when it’s all said and done. They want a weaker candidate than Gabe Evans. They think they’ve got the shining star and the answer to that. These people, Andy, I mean, I’m just going to say it as it is. These people are psycho. They have no idea what they’re talking about. They’re absolutely psychopaths.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, I’ll just say it. Look, if 26 continues to play out where it is right now, we’re going to have a blue wave. And even Herd and Evans are going to lose. OK, that’s the way that’s what we’re looking at right now. If things don’t change nationally, the national mood. But by the way, they can change because I think the economy is really going to turn around in 26. That’s going to help the incumbent party. That is us. But if it doesn’t change, those two are going to lose. But I will say this. The two competitors who are going against those two in the primaries are guaranteed to lose.
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SPEAKER 08 :
All right, we are back. Last segment here. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Payton, again, talking about the GOP gubernatorial race coming up. We know what the left’s pretty much going to do. I’d be shocked if it’s not Michael Bennett that’ll be their guy. I don’t think Phil Weiser has a chance of winning that one either. So at the end of the day, it’s going to be Michael Bennett against whoever we can figure out to put up there that will actually have a chance of winning.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, that’s an advantage. Phil Weiser is a much better debater than Michael Bennett.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, Michael can’t debate his way out of a wet paper bag.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, he’s awful. So it actually helps us to have Bennett to be the shoe-in for the Democrats.
SPEAKER 08 :
The downside is he’ll have a boatload of money. Boatload of money. That’s the downside he’s going to have.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because he’s got all the money machine behind him.
SPEAKER 10 :
And let’s face it, how many people actually watch a gubernatorial debate?
SPEAKER 08 :
None.
SPEAKER 10 :
Virtually none. They’re going to see ads, and Bennett’s going to be in the ads. And even though he has no personality, they’re going to dress him up to make it look like he has one. Right, the ad will take care of that.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s exactly right. Really quick meaning.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
All of you that are out there campaigning for your guy, remember everything Andy and I just said. You’re going up. We are going up against the Democrat money machine in Colorado that is going to make darn sure they do everything they possibly can to have their guy win. Yeah. Here’s one thing that might happen. And this is something to think about. They’re thinking, and I guarantee you this, because of all of the fighting that we have on our side, which makes you wonder at times, do we have a bunch of Democrat plants in our party, which I think we do, by the way. That’s a whole other conversation Andy and I can maybe cover at another time.
SPEAKER 01 :
Another day, yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, because really I do think we have a bunch of plants because the Democrats know the more disorganized we are, the less of a chance we have of winning. Now, if we could somehow strengthen that. and become more unified i think you might actually have a chance in colorado of catching the democrats with their pants down in other words they’re going to think this is an easy win they may not even give michael bennett all of the money that they might give otherwise because they’re probably thinking yeah this is a shoe-in you we’ve had polis for all this time bennett’s going to be an easy go he’s already been in colorado as a senator he’s already got a name for himself we don’t have to spend near the money on him that we would normally spend
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and John, the National Democrat Party, I can tell you, early on is not going to put a penny in Colorado.
SPEAKER 08 :
They don’t have a lot of money anyways.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, they don’t have a lot of money, but they’re also not going to move their money from their donors to Colorado. They’re going to move it to races that they think are competitive.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And they’re not going to think this one’s competitive. No, they won’t. That’s the one-plus side we have.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, at least early on, because also there will be no polling, so they’re going to count this race as already a done deal. That’s right. They’re not going to put a cent here. That’s right. So because of that, there’s an opening. But here’s the thing. Getting back to what we started this hour on, the troll war. Right. The troll war between the Marx and Bottoms supporters.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Do you see this party coming out of that troll war and uniting enough to work together to compete in Colorado?
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m sorry to say, Andy, I said this last week. That’s the problem. No, I do not. Unless there’s an outlier like the sheriff of Teller County that can somehow rally both of them after defeating those two, you might. might, slim might, by the way, have an opportunity to bring those two together.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I do believe he’s the kind of guy who people could rally around, but you’d have to have marks and bottoms endorse him strongly, and they’d have to campaign with him and so forth. Look, John… We get back to, and we talk about this so often, I know people get tired of it, but the simple fact is, folks, it’s the reality of Colorado Republican politics. We have a cancer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, big time.
SPEAKER 10 :
That cancer is called.
SPEAKER 08 :
Big time, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s called Rhino Watch.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is called the Davidians.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is called, you know, it is that group.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re right, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
And the reason, and I don’t just call them that because, oh, gee, I disagree with them. Folks.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, you’re right, Andy. These are people. You’re 100%. You’re correct. You’re correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
They are the first group that has ever seized major portions of leadership and then literally campaigned against our own party, our own candidates. Okay. They are the first completely traitorous leadership we’ve had ever. And we’ve had some terrible leaders of our party here in Colorado. Ryan call comes to mind. Yeah, I’ll call him out. The guy endorsed Joe Biden. Get out of here. Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
So it’s not like, but, but John, that group, that cancerous group. And take a step away from just your feelings about them and my feelings about them. Just look at them as a political force right now here in Colorado, Republican politics. How do we go forth with them existing?
SPEAKER 08 :
You don’t. I’ve said that over and over again.
SPEAKER 10 :
They’re so damaging because if their candidate – first of all, if their candidates win any primaries, we’re going to lose races, okay? Yeah. And if their candidates don’t, they are the only group I’ve seen. They’ve already, when they were in control of the state party, literally campaigned against their own candidates. They’re the only people who are that uncommitted to the Republican brand to do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Andy, it’s well known whether we’re talking cancer in a body, whether you’re talking rust on a car is called cancer, so whether it’s cancer on a car. Reality, Andy, is we know that you cannot— I didn’t know that, by the way. Yeah, rust on a car is called cancer. So the reality is you can’t have a really nice premium restoration on a car unless you deal with that cancer, meaning it has to be removed completely. If you leave any of it behind— Any of it. A remnant of it. It’s like cancer cells in your body, Andy. If you leave even a remnant of rust behind… It’ll pop through. That’s right. You go through and do all of the rest of your refinished work. You get everything beautiful. It looks great at the end of the day. It won’t be that long until that cancer raises its ugly head. That rust raises its ugly head again, meaning that you didn’t get rid of it in the first place, so it came back to haunt you. The same thing is true for this RhinoWatch group that we have here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. It’s no different.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s no different.
SPEAKER 10 :
The problem is, John, not just that they have some numbers. I still think that they’re really 10% or less of the party. That’s just my opinion.
SPEAKER 08 :
They’re the most vocal and obnoxious that we have in the party.
SPEAKER 10 :
The problem is they run the state central committee because of caucus. They can overrun caucus.
SPEAKER 08 :
caucus is attended by less than one percent of republicans a group even as small as the rhino watchers are highly mobilized and they overrun caucus which means exactly why they have a lot of power and steve house which was our previous gop chair who by the way was very much a fan of caucus back in the day that will tell you today because he told me this last thursday that in colorado it needs to be a it needs to be a complete revamp or you’re never going to see us win in colorado steve house admitted that last thursday
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, did he?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. If you don’t get rid of caucus. I’ve been preaching it for a while. Or do something different with caucus and go to a system more like what Florida has where it’s more of a primary type system or what have you. If we don’t go to that type of a system, as far as the GOP in Colorado goes, we’re dead in the water, Andy. We’re finished. We’re not going to win anything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I’m sorry to say, folks, that’s where we’re at right now. Because, as I continue to say, I said it Thursday with Steve House even and Dr. Kelly when I was talking politics with both of them, our system, and hear me out when I say this because I mean this because I can name names of people that fit this description. In Colorado, because of our system, we attract grifters. And those grifters screw up our party.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Because when you have a system called caucus that is attended by less than 1% that you can put together a group of activists and overrun and seize power, grifters come in and say, my gosh, I can get power without any real popularity.
SPEAKER 08 :
I can get power and money through that power. Fast. And I can be pretty well set moving forward in my own political career as long as I just move to Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And they do. And they do exactly what I just said. The reason why I can prove to you guys, I’ve said this over and over again, but the reason why I can prove Andy and I are right on all of this is because Rhino Watch itself never mentions Andy and I. They’ll mention other talk show hosts and people in town, but they not once will ever mention Andy and I. They will not recognize we even exist because I feel it’s out of fear that if some of those followers actually come and listen to what Andy and I have to say and they have any kind of a rational open mind, they’ll realize that Andy and I are correct and they’re following the wrong crowd.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, well, we are the only show in the city and in the state, to my knowledge, that talks about the fact that less than 1% attend this one group, caucus and assembly, that forms all our leadership. And how that empowers grifters to come in and take over. Nobody else even talks about that.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, and most people don’t even call them grifters like I do, but maybe some others will start because that’s exactly what they are. They’re political grifters. They work their way into Colorado. They’ll spend four to five years sort of getting themselves ingrained in what’s going on. You know, they’ll join the PTA or they join this or they join that and they kind of start doing this or start doing that or maybe even form their own nonprofit where they can get their name out there. And lo and behold, now they’re running for office or they’re the chair of this or the chair of that. And they just keep inching their way in further and further and further to the point where they’re now running for office.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s what they do, Andy. I just described several of them that are in this group we’re talking about. That’s exactly what they do.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think that’s why you’ve got such hate and animosity against Marx, because he’s an outsider. He hasn’t gone through that process.
SPEAKER 08 :
He hasn’t done what these grifters have done.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, and so the grifters are mad at this guy coming in from the outside.
SPEAKER 08 :
This unknown that just showed up out of this nonprofit in Colorado Springs.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
We don’t yell at you. We inform you. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, we’re going to finish things out. Sorry, guys, for being a little bit negative here during this last hour. The problem is we don’t fix what we just talked about. We’re not winning much in Colorado, period, moving forward. And the problem is that old saying, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And that’s what you have going on in the Rhino Watch group of individuals here in Colorado. They are absolutely corrupt and don’t care anything about winning in Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
And they have dramatically outsized power.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s exactly right. So that’s it for tonight, guys. Have a great evening. Be safe out there. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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