HR3 Tariffs, Inflation, Recession: What’s Next? Thrive with Greater Fulfillment & Purpose. 4-14-25 by John Rush
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All right, we are back. Time for our Monday Mortgage Minute. Affordable Interest Mortgage, Kurt Rogers. Kurt, welcome. How are you?
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I’m fine, John. How are you doing?
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We are doing very well today and had a great weekend. No complaints whatsoever.
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It was great to be outside all weekend.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Talk to us about the mortgage world, tariffs, inflation, all of that.
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Tariffs right now are causing a lot of havoc in a lot of areas in the mortgage industry because the stock market is, you know, they’re a little skittish. The bonds are being sold off, and when they do, that’s causing rates to go up. So… Everybody wants the rates to go down, but with the tariffs, with what’s going on with them, they’re going up in the wrong direction now. Today, they’ve come down a little bit because the stock market’s holding its own. So it’s very volatile time right now on the interest rates. I’m seeing them moving about a half a point every other day, up or down.
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Okay. So when it comes to people looking at that and trying to figure out what they should do, I mean, what advice do you give them on when they should lock in and all of that?
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Actually, I’ve put a couple of deals together just the last couple of days, and I’ve told people the rate you’re not going to like, but I firmly believe as the tariffs start to change and the market starts to stabilize, we’re going to see the bonds come back, and when they do, those rates are going to go back down. to the lower sixes. So I’m just telling, we start to file and we just hold it. So when they get down to the lower rate, I’m able to lock it at that time. Because it costs nothing to start a loan process.
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Okay, got it. Makes sense. Okay, tomorrow you guys do Haystack Help Radio on Tuesdays at noon to one. What are you doing tomorrow?
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We’re going to be talking just about this much more in depth about tariffs and inflation and maybe even the possibility of a recession and what they’ve done in the past, how that all works together for the betterment of buying a home and financing one.
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All right. Kurt, as always, I appreciate those of you listening. Kurt Rogers, 720-895-0500. Thanks, Kurt. Thanks, John. You betcha. Have a good one again. That is Affordable Interest Mortgage, 720-895-0500.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We will have our guest joining us here in just a moment. So some of you that have been waiting to call in and talk about some of the, just all the building things and so of that, this will not be a super long interview. So what I will do is once we’re done, I’ll go to break probably a little bit early. So be listening in. And once we’re done, I will then open up the lines where we’ve got the ability to talk about some of the things we were talking about in the last hour in regards to, you know, building codes. And I got tons of, of feedback from a lot of you on the text line concerning that. So I know there’s a lot of people that want to have some input into that, and we will allow you to do that. We’ll, again, not going to hurry this interview, of course. We’re going to be very respectful to all the folks that we have that join us. But most interviews don’t take a super long time, and we will get through that. And once we are done, I will let you all know, and then we can roll along and get into that whole building, you know, just departments and cities and counties and all of that here in just a few. But our next guest joining us now, Rand Selig. Is it Selig? Am I saying that right?
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Well, John, I usually say Selig.
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Selig.
SPEAKER 15 :
Everybody in our family pronounces it differently.
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I’m going to do what you say, so I will change my notes and make it say that. But, Rand, welcome. Appreciate you joining us.
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Oh, it’s my pleasure.
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So you have a one-year mark on a book that you, I think you self-published this book, if I’m not correct. Is that right?
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It is correct.
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Okay. It’s called what? Thriving? Am I saying that right?
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Thriving. How to create a healthier, happier, and more prosperous life.
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All right. So given, I guess first off, given it’s the one-year anniversary, how has the last year been in regards to the book itself?
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Oh, it’s been fabulous. It’s been a terrific adventure. I’ve learned a lot of things. It’s been full of vitality. And one of the unintended consequences, I’ve met some amazing people.
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You know, I will tell you that doing what I do here, and I’ve done this show here for a decade plus, and I will tell you, Rand, in my life, yeah, I will tell you one of the best things about this job is the amount of different people that, like yourself, I get to meet with, talk to, in some cases continue to talk to over and over again. I’ve developed some really great relationships out of being able to do this. Yeah, it’s just the spice of life. It really is. Okay, so talk to us. One, a lot of your book talks about thriving, living a more powerful life, I guess you could say, making the right choices, but then some of it also involves aging well. Yes, it does indeed. All right, so I guess first things first, talk about the power of personal choice.
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Well, it’s just the essence of getting on the path to thriving, making choices, choices about how we spend our time, who we spend our time with. It includes our feelings. And it certainly includes our habits. Gotcha. All of those choices, even though they come very quickly at times, we’re making choices. And we can choose right or left or up or down, and off we go.
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One thing I’ve had to learn over the years, I’ve been self-employed from a very… Early agents, I was 22 and have owned lots of different businesses over the years, bought, sold, et cetera, still own some, still coach other businesses as well. Rand, what I will tell you that I learned and I’ve had to teach some of my clients is you also have to know when to say no, right? Oh, wow.
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Super, super important, especially if you’re an entrepreneur. But it also includes other aspects of life. I like to say you need to manage up sometimes, whether that’s managing up to parents or managing up to bosses, maybe to a spouse. Yeah. You know, this is all part of it.
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It’s every area of life, Rand. And by the way, for some of you listening, that could be you’re involved in some of the greatest aspects of your life. You could be a volunteer on a great organization or be a board member of another organization or, you know, do a lot at church and so on. And Rand, I’m not saying any of those are bad, but if they’re out of balance, they’re bad.
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Yeah, balance is a tricky thing. Actually, I like to suggest to people that we don’t use the word balance as much as we do because I think there’s a more powerful word, which is integration. Okay. And the integration of the many aspects of our lives. Nobody is just all work or family. You know, it’s more nuanced than that. It’s more complicated than that. So living with a lot of integration means that you’ve got your money in control, you’ve got your relationships. that are going well. You’re taking care of yourself physically and emotionally. You’ve got a spiritual connection that works for you. And, you know, by doing that whole group of things, these are all personal choices, which ones you put in that basket. But if you keep massaging them, pulling them out, looking at them, say, okay, I’m doing really well here, but this is one I need to focus on. I want to focus on this one now.
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it really makes life rich. What do you feel are some of the biggest mistakes when you, you know, talk to people, run into people and granted you like me, you see a lot of different people, very successful and some that are probably struggling or are on their way to hopefully a successful, you know, whatever it is in their life they’re trying to accomplish. What do you see though, as one of the biggest mistakes folks make?
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I think not investing enough in relationships with others. Um, You know, in my career as an investment banker, I built up a terrific company, and in fact, last year, it was named the best sustainable investment banking firm in the San Francisco Bay Area, which is, you know, a little feather in our cap, of course. And people would say, wow, you’ve worked with a lot of successful people. And I said, I made, people were wealthy, and I added to their bank accounts by selling their company, but I have to say a lot of them were not successful because they had failed relationships all around them in business or personally, you know, family members not talking to them, divorces and so on. And I think this is an arena that
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takes investigation there is a way to uh make a relationship better and to avoid some of the problems that make a relationship go sideways no makes total sense i mean again being self-employed all the years i have i can relate to everything that you’re saying because it’s not none of that is easy right i tell everybody all the time it was easy everybody do it
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Exactly. But having said it’s not easy, I don’t think there’s any like super duper mysteries about this. I’ve done a lot of talking over the last year with in-person groups and a lot of podcasts, and people say, yep, yep, yep, that makes perfect sense. And it’s not as if I’m just sort of shining a bright light on some of these issues that are all really in our wheelhouse. We can do these things. We can learn to stop self-sabotaging. We can learn to forgive ourselves and others.
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I think for a lot of folk, and I guess, again, from even my experience, Rand, and coaching others and watching their businesses do well, or in some cases they struggle with a particular area for whatever reason that might be, I think for me personally in the coaching aspect, the biggest thing to get people to overcome is themselves.
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Yes, it’s so true. It’s so true. And, you know, part of it is ego. You know, I mean, I think a lot of people… Yeah, I think for a lot of business owners, that’s very true.
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Yes.
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Yeah. But for a lot of people, it’s also holding on to some misconceptions. Yeah, very true. You know, where they are in life, what they enjoy. They haven’t really done the deep dive and being honest with themselves to say, hey, this is what I enjoy. This is what I’m good at. These are things I need assistance with. And I feel good enough about myself to ask.
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for help good point good point i also like in here defining success on your own terms yep i and i agree with that one wholeheartedly uh don’t compare i always try to you know preach this as well don’t compare yourself to others because where they’re at what they’re doing may be completely different than you and might always be different than you and that’s okay you do you yeah there’s a great uh quote uh i think it’s uh hemingway said uh
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Nobility is not being superior to your fellow man. True nobility is being superior to your former self. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Where do folks get the book? Oh, thank you. Well, it’s, of course, on Amazon, but it’s also available at all the independents. It’s at Target. Some of these places, of course, have to be ordered. You have to go online and say, hey, I want the book. Right. And you can go to my website, www.randsalig.com, and read more about the book, read more about me. You can download my favorite quotes by chapter, and you can order the book right there, too.
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Awesome. And by the way, folks, that last name, it’s S-E-L-I-G. That’s how you would actually spell that. Rand, I appreciate it very much. Thank you for joining us today.
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Oh, it’s my pleasure, John. You’re very welcome.
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You bet. Have a great night. And, again, it’s RAND, S-E-L-I-G. Selig is how you say it, but S-E-L-I-G, and that’s how you can find RAND. Geno’s Auto Service coming up next. Again, folks, looking to… Do anything this summer. Travel. You need to get things in top working order. And I will also say this. If you’ve been putting off a repair, knowing what’s going to be happening, my prediction of auto repair is costs are going to increase over time, given everything that’s happening right now. Don’t put things off. Get it handled now. Go to genosautoservice.com. Geno starts with a J.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. A lot of you are trying to call in at 4 o’clock to talk about building codes and my thoughts on this administration trying to figure out a way to fast-track some things. And by the way, folks, I am one where I don’t want that to be focused on just big, big business. In other words, you don’t have to come and build a 100,000-square-foot factory to be able to have some of the incentives that I think we should be putting behind people doing things here. Now, could you do this for your local auto repair shop? No, because that’s going to be local no matter what, and that’s a different scenario. But if you’re somebody that does some sort of manufacturing and you’ve been – I was reading a – a story the other day about a person here in Colorado I didn’t get the details of the business name or any of that I’m not sure it even included it but this person imports a lot of things from overseas and was trying to stay ahead of some of the you know not only tariffs but some of the stop gap and some of the shipping that might happen it’s kind of like covet all over again in regards to that some shippers are waiting to ship stuff out until they find out exactly how things are going to shake out At any rate, I’m looking at that thinking, okay, here’s a great example of somebody that, if they can onshore things and do a lot of the things that are being done overseas, and in this case, a lot of it had to do with clothing and items along those lines, but if they had the ability to do some things here, even… Let’s say some of the quote unquote final assembly of things. You know, there’s a lot of folks out there that do embroidery and they do, you know, screen printing and things like that. And they may even farm all of that at one time. A lot of that was done here, but it’s gotten the point to where they can even farm a lot of that out. And everything that they’ve asked for is being delivered to them. And they don’t do anything. They just take it out of the box and sell it or ship the box the way it is. And my thought is, okay, how do you incentivize some of those folks to build here and do some of those things here versus doing things overseas? So my comments during the 4 o’clock hour had a lot to do with that, and how do you incentivize that to make it a lot more congenial? Go ahead, John.
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The only thing that the federal government should do is make sure that The EPA and things like OSHA, federal stuff like that, shouldn’t be slowing it down. The rest of it is Colorado’s duty, or… I hate to say it, John, I’ve said it before, but you guys made the choice down there, not you personally. You chose this government when you re-elected Polis by 16%. This is what the people of Colorado want.
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Yeah, well, and I will tell you, even on a local level, some of the local, you know, and to your point, they were elected local county commissioners, local mayors, city councils, and so on. Yes, you are correct, John. These people have… have been elected, and unfortunately, yes, we get what we’ve elected, and what’s going to happen to Colorado and other states like us is you will see some of these companies that have the ability to build other places for a lot less hassle, they’ll go there and do it.
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Right, and here’s a prime example. There was an announcement last week that another company is building a distribution center here in Cheyenne, and they said they hope to be online by Christmas.
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Wow, that’s fast. That’s fast.
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We don’t, you know.
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You couldn’t do that in Colorado, John. Wouldn’t happen down here. Not going to happen, period.
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There’s a lot of states like that. And, you know, when the people of Colorado complain, well, you know, you had a choice in 2022. Everybody knew who Olus was, what he did during COVID, and he was a tyrant. proved exactly what he was. But the people of Colorado said, no, this is what we want.
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Yeah, well, I mean, I’m not disagreeing. On the same token, we on our side of the aisle couldn’t figure out what we wanted to do with a candidate, and we ended up not running, you know, I’m not saying a bad candidate, but we couldn’t get behind fully the candidate that we run. Let’s say it that way.
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Right. So your new party, which you and Andy are very excited about, Is she going to try to win big races or is she going to realize that, you know, to win, we got to start at the county commissioner level and get some people elected maybe in or we got to look at, say, all right, these five Senate seats we could flip. Let’s target those or these eight House seats we could flip.
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Right.
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You’re not going to take the governorship back on the first try. You know, not with what has been going on in the last. You know, since I’ve been listening to you since you started in the afternoon. I mean, Colorado, I mean, you had Hinger Looper, you got Polis.
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Right, right.
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you knew who both of those guys were going in.
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Oh, absolutely. And talked about it all along, and you’re 100% correct. And this go-around, and again, this is not to be critical to anybody, but right now as far as the folks that have thrown their hat into the ring to run here in Colorado, we’ve got Mark Baisley, who’s a great guy. Greg Lopez announced his this morning. He’s also a great guy. We’ve got the sheriff up in Teller County, who I don’t know, but appears to be a great guy. Scott Bottoms out of Colorado Springs, he’s a pastor. Great guy, but honestly, John, of those three so far, he’s totally unelectable because of his stance on a lot of things. And I like Scott, and he and I think alike, but he’s not electable in his stance on things, and I know I’m missing probably a couple of others. So right now we’ve got a really broad field on the Republican side.
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You need somebody like, I hate to say it, but a Bush. Before you can get a Reagan or a Trump, you need to get a Bush.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t know that you’ll ever have a Reagan or a Trump in Colorado, period, John.
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Right.
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Sorry to say.
SPEAKER 11 :
If you focus on getting a candidate that is in the Reagan-Trump mold, you’re not going to win. But if you get a candidate more in the Bush, either one or two mold, you have a better chance.
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True.
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Because more, you know, middle of the road will reach out to the independents. But for building and stuff, that’s county commissioner. So, I mean, the state should be looking at the county.
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And cities. Keep in mind, cities override the county. They can come up with their own codes and their own ways of doing things, their own approval system and so on. So here in Colorado, if you’re unincorporated in a county, the county will decide what’s going on. If you’re in a city and the city limits, the city is going to decide.
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Well, and a prime example of that, and I think you had your shop when they were building it, was the last Walmart they built in Fort Collins. Right. And what the city of Fort Collins made Walmart do, kept changing, add this, add that. What did Walmart do? Say, we’re never building again. And all they did was go on the other side of I-25 and built a huge super center and didn’t have to deal with any of the nonsense in the city of Fort Collins.
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Correct. That’s exactly what they do.
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Everybody… Everybody on the east side of Fort Collins, I’m sure, rather than going all the way north or way out, goes to the other side of the highway and gives their tax. And it’s also their tax money. I guess it’s the city of Timnath.
SPEAKER 05 :
Is that Timnath or Severance? Yeah, one of those two over there. Yes, I think it is Timnath.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think you’re right. And Costco did the same thing. They built in Fort Collins. No, they built on the other side of the interstate where they don’t have to deal with as much…
SPEAKER 05 :
And the dumb thing, John, is these residents will go ahead and vote for that in a lot of ways, thinking that this is better for our community, and they cry all the time when their taxes go up.
SPEAKER 11 :
And then also, everybody screams about, we need to raise the minimum wage, we need to raise the minimum wage. But Walmart is entry-level jobs for the most part. And if you’re not allowing corporations that create entry-level jobs… To build, well, then you’re not going to have entry-level jobs. Right. Nobody goes to Walmart at 17 or 16 and says, this is going to be my career. Now, some might do that and move up through management.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, if they do, they can have a very mid-level six-figure job running a Walmart if they get to that point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah. But, you know, we have the same, you know, in Cheyenne, the city is a little harsher than the county. But, you know, they’ll build in the county. They don’t care. They’ll just say, fine. But, you know, and then all of a sudden, the city will work with the county and annex it so they can get the sewer water and everything, because… Most counties, in our county, in Laramie County, you don’t have, if you’re out in the county, you’re not on city sewer or water.
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So what the feds would have to do, John, this is my opinion of things, what the fed would have to do is figure out a way to, again, I don’t want an overarching arm of the federal government telling cities and counties what to do, although… like we’ve talked earlier with a few other guests we’ve had on today, there are incentives and things that the federal government can do to get things done and fast-tracked and so on. And the power of the purse can do that. So the federal government has the ability to do that. No, I don’t want them coming in and dictating what you’re going to do, but they could sure incentivize it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, but they could turn around and tell the EPA, for example.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s true.
SPEAKER 11 :
Don’t just automatically look to disapprove. Approve it unless you find something blatant that’s illegal. Same thing with OSHA. You talk to guys that run construction sites, and their biggest fear is OSHA showing up because they’ll find one little violation that maybe a guy who they didn’t even see was working without a hard hat on, and then the next thing you know, they’re getting a $10,000 fine. OSHA shouldn’t be there to penalize. They should be there to correct and train. That’s my opinion.
SPEAKER 05 :
I would agree with you on that one wholeheartedly. On top of that, and again, I think this is where the federal government might be able to give some guidance. Of course, you’ve got to get them fixed as well. But I’ve even had some text messages coming in on just inspectors in different cities and counties and the expectations of and the lack of consistency and so on. I mean, that’s a bunch of crap, John. It’s garbage.
SPEAKER 11 :
There’s a national electrical code. There’s a national plumbing code. These are all approved. Yet every city and county wants to improve.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep, they want to do their own stuff because they want to be bigger and better than the next one.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, because they want to say, well, we’re safer than the county and the city. And really, if it’s in the national electrical code, we’ll use that for an example, it’s safe. If you follow code, you’re safe.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
If you’re going to add extra stuff just to be miserable or to, you know. And then the other thing is inspectors who come out with attitudes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And you’ve seen it, I’m sure. Oh, yeah. And I’ve seen it up here, too. They come out and they show up with an attitude like, hey, I’m from the county. I could shut you down tomorrow. No, you shouldn’t be that way. You’re a county employee. You should be there to say, OK, this is what I found wrong. Let’s get it fixed. I’ll be back.
SPEAKER 05 :
on Thursday.
SPEAKER 11 :
But no, they copped the attitude and everything else. And then, of course, you’ve got the other side of it, where this builder who’s waiting on, say, to put the drywall up for the electrical inspection, and it’s delayed four days because the inspector didn’t show up. Or they’re five days out for an electrical inspection. So there’s ways to fix it, but the federal government would be my last suggestion.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, my thought was if you’re going to try to incentivize, you know, especially, you know, medium to large-sized companies to somehow move operations from wherever, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, et cetera, John, you’ve got to figure out a way to, you know, not only incentivize them to do so, tariffs and so on, but you’ve got to add another layer to that towards, listen, guys, you know, not that we want the, you know, we want taxpayers, you know, building your building for you and all that. I’m not talking about it. We’re not building football stadiums, that kind of stuff. I’m not going down that path. What I’m talking about, though, is the reduction of red tape and nonsense that they’ve got to jump through. And, yes, some of that is on the federal level, but, John, some of that is on the local level. In some way, somehow, we’ve got to figure out how to incentivize even them to jump on board.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that starts at the county commission level and the city council levels.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Get a couple of guests. Target, you know, that’s why I say the Republican Party in Colorado, don’t worry about the governorship. You’re probably not going to win in 2026, even if you had the greatest candidate in the world because of how long it’s been that way. Target specific seats in the House, in the Senate, city councils, county commission and say, all right, let’s start moving back to at least the center. You can’t move far right. You’ve got to go through the center first. Oh, I agree. If you want to get to the fold.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know my feelings on that. I fully agree.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep. Have a good day.
SPEAKER 05 :
You too, John. Appreciate you very much. And those of you listening, if you want to chime in on that, feel free to do so. 303-477-5600. Some of you are texting in and even talking about that it’s not super easy, even in Cheyenne and places like that, to build. So that’s another one where, again… The biggest problem that I see, and some of you can chime in on this, is the lack of consistency across the board on some of these things. There virtually isn’t any consistency when it’s all said and done. It literally is a crapshoot at times, depending upon where you’re going to build. And believe me, folks listening. Companies do look at all of that when it comes to what are we going to be up against when it comes to building in such and such an area, such and such a town. And that’s why there’s a lot of states that are receiving in billions upon billions of dollars in construction. because they’re being a lot more friendly to that than states like Colorado are. And by the way, those are things that frankly need to be brought up in this next campaign. You know, whoever’s on our side of the aisle, the next campaign for governor needs to be talking about some of these things, because a lot of people in the middle understand what I’m talking about. Now, I get it. Some are. Some are that, you know, not in my backyard mentality. The problem with that is all that does is drive up your cost of living when you have the not-in-my-backyard mentality because that means everything’s going to be on your shoulders when it comes to city services and so on, and there’s nothing coming in to offset that. So something to think about along those lines. All right, let’s take a break. I’ve got calls coming in. Flesh Law coming up next. Kevin Flesh, 303-806-8886.
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. Nick and Loveland, you’re next. Go ahead, Nick.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I see one of the biggest problems, so I’ve built… manufacturing facilities in Vermont, Canada, uh, outside of Montreal, um, New York and Brown here in Colorado. And you got the EPA, you got the state regulations, you got, uh, county and they all fight who wants to be the worst guy you know none of them can get together and figure it out it gets as bizarre so we used to have a plant in the denver area out near the old airport we moved up to weld county for one reason one of the biggest reasons was emissions so if you want to build a paint booth or something where you’re going to paint something where you’re going to have emissions go out the roof Well, that regulation is different than if you want to put it out the wall. So try to figure that one out. It’s all going to go out in the air, but it just gets ridiculous. In New York State, because we were using chromium metal that we were doing in the process, stainless steel has chromium in it. They freaked out because we couldn’t tell them exactly how much stainless steel we were putting in the garbage cans because we were sweeping the floor. Oh, geez. Because we were drilling. Right. And all those drill shavings. Right. You know, you’re talking quarter 20 or whatever. Right, right, right. All those drill shavings. They wanted us to estimate how much drill shavings we put in the garbage cans. And they were going to fine us and everything because we were supposedly putting all this stuff in the landfill and we were, you know, So it’s just gotten so bizarre. If you try to build a facility in some of these cities, it’s almost impossible.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep, yep. And that’s my point. You know, we talk about, and I love the conversation. I love the fact that we want to bring some things back to the U.S., bring manufacturing back, all of that. You know me, Nick. I’m all for that. But then we get into the conversation you and I are having right now, and I assume that our current administration, that Donald Trump being a developer, knows some of this stuff, but we need to clean some of this junk up.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, yeah, it’s going to be a fight, especially with the EPA. I mean, those guys, forget it. You can’t deal with them. I mean, it’s almost impossible. You know, we used to have a very burgeoning aerospace industry in this country. That’s right. But most of the houses that did the processing are gone because of, you know, the pollution and everything. I mean, there’s definitely ways around that, but it’s cheaper to send it over to these third world countries and kill them.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was just going to say, we’ll send it someplace else and let them deal with the pollution. I mean, at the end of the day, we haven’t cured anything. Yeah. Actually, it probably made it worse, Nick, because their regulations are way worse, you know, are way more lax than ours are.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, yeah. There was one process for hard anodizing. It used to be done in Southern California, all over the place. Now we’re down to, and this is a mil-spec, so a lot of the aircraft, like the Apache and everything, use these mil-specs. And this particular hard anodizing, there’s only one house in the United States that does it, and it’s over in Oklahoma. You know, how are you going to run a business if you can’t get processed?
SPEAKER 05 :
And you are proving my point on the additional sides of these things that I really wish this administration would somehow come up with a solution and talk about, because what you and I are talking about right now, Nick, I think for a lot of people, especially a lot of blue-collar people that understand this, you know, that means a lot to them, and they would understand that fully. But just slapping terrorists on to slap terrorists on, and I’m not saying we don’t need them. I think we do. We need to get some of this stuff back here. But you’ve got to do this component as well.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, exactly. Because, you know, you build a plant, but you can’t make anything because of all the other problems you have with the government regulations. Right. Why bother? Well, there’s also another reason why they’re building plants down in the southern states, because it’s right to work and they don’t have all the hassle. That’s right. That’s right. I was hearing one guy saying, oh, it’ll take us 20 years to build a plant. No, it doesn’t. No. If they can build an aircraft plant in a matter of a couple years, I think we can build an automotive plant in a year. Yes, I agree with you.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’ve got to get rid of all the regulations to make it happen.
SPEAKER 12 :
I used to go to the – well, I still go once in a while, but I used to go every other year out to Chicago to the manufacturing shows and stuff. Yeah, yeah. So from about 2008 – no, so about 2008 – to about 2012, the amount of automation in manufacturing just exploded. So anybody that says that we can’t manufacture something here doesn’t know what they’re talking about. I agree with you. The automation in plants is just exponentially grown.
SPEAKER 05 :
The biggest thing I think, Nick, and again, I’m not trying to be on a soapbox, but I think the biggest thing we’re up against is some of the things you and I’ve talked about. Yeah, definitely. Nick, I appreciate it. Thanks so much for the call and added right into what I was talking about in the 4 o’clock hour. Joe, go ahead. You’ll finish this off.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, just two things. In 2022, you know what the fastest growing city in the United States was?
SPEAKER 05 :
2022 fastest growing city, probably someplace in Texas.
SPEAKER 10 :
St. George, Utah. You can bike to California from St.
SPEAKER 05 :
George.
SPEAKER 10 :
You can bike to California from St. George. The businesses that were fleeing California… Go across state line. Just right over the St. George. Yeah. And I’ll give you… Now, my partners and I, we had an investment in a California company. And one day, just for grins, I pulled the… You know, I looked at all the state regulators. I didn’t actually pull them or print them, but I counted… I added up the pages. California has over 450,000 pages of regulations. Now, a ream of paper… is what, 144 sheets in a ream of paper?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, sounds about right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that’s about two inches thick. Well, picture 400,000 pages of regulations. So it’s a room. Well, it’s like three six-foot-high stacks. Picture if you had three six-foot-high stacks of paper. Now, then we were looking to do something up in Wyoming, and I went up and I pulled Wyoming. At the time, you know how thick the regulations in Wyoming were? Probably a ream of paper. uh… just two reams of paper.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, two reams.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, wasn’t too far off. And that was everything. That was EPA, DOT, business, crime, you know, everything from jaywalking to murder. John, it was, I was stunned. I thought I had missed something. I had to go back three times. No, you got it. That’s, yeah, that’s EPA. That’s environmental. You know, that’s transportation. You know, and I’m across the board.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s amazing.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, Hey, I know we’re running out of time. Real quick. No, no, you’re fine. Keep going. You’re good. We’ve got time. Go ahead. I got a call from my daughter who works out near Penn State. The administration has revoked the visas of 14 students. Oh, I saw that. Yep. They were everything from shoplifting to DUI. And, of course, they’ve violated the condition of their visa. And the student body, you know, by the way, when it’s spring, students love, college students love to protest when it’s spring. Yeah. Well, it’s April. Because they get some out of school. Yeah, it’s a month through graduation. But, you know, and I won’t say what it stands for, but, you know, there’s this acronym called FAFO, F-A-F-O, and the last two stand for find out. Right. Well, some of these foreign students are finding out what happens when you do things you shouldn’t do. And I can’t believe that they just picked on Penn State. I have to imagine that that’s part of a nationwide where they’re doing a match between arrest records and student visas, because I’m sure they just didn’t pluck Penn State out of thin air. So imagine if they’re going to do that nationwide, we’re going to see a lot more protests.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which, you know, again, I always go back to, you know, I get it. You know, that out-of-country tuition is big. I see why colleges do it and so on. But on the same token, Joe, we should be vetting these people. We shouldn’t just be letting anybody in willy-nilly. You shouldn’t let them, you know, go on an expired visa and so on. You know, things ought to be run by the book.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep, by the book. And part of it is you have to not commit a crime while you’re here on a student visa.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
14 students committed a crime. They’ve had their visas revoked. So I wonder if that’s going to happen at CU or CSU or anywhere.
SPEAKER 05 :
Great question. You know, it’s funny. I said this during that time. We didn’t see any protests at all on CU’s campus. And you’ve got to wonder, is that, you know, Sanders? You know, what’s causing that? Because, Joe, being as liberal as CU is, we didn’t have one. Hmm. You’ve got to wonder why.
SPEAKER 10 :
I wonder if they’ve revoked anybody’s visa, any foreign students’ visa up there yet.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 10 :
But if it happens, I think you might see it.
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Suck it up, buttercup. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. I just have to say this, John and Cheyenne, and I love you, but I have had multiple text messages coming in from multiple individuals and some of them with the 307 area code saying that while they love you, you are dead wrong when it comes to building in and around Cheyenne because they are some of the worst people. to deal with as far as the city itself goes, pulling permits, getting inspected. Basically, some of the folks that are running the city government in Cheyenne, it is a pay-as-you-go. In other words, there’s a lot of kickbacks going on up there to get things built, and no, it’s not as friendly as most would think Cheyenne would be. So, John, not to counter some of what you were saying, but you might want to check into some of that from some of your folk that you know They live up there and find out exactly what’s going on because I have had, I’m not joking, six different text messages coming in from individuals talking about what a joke it is to actually try to build something in and around Cheyenne because of the kangaroo court system. I’m changing that. It’s not court, but the kangaroo system. county and city system they have there when it comes to building things that it is way easier to build in other areas including sometimes in colorado than what it is to actually build in and around cheyenne so again john not you know not not you know debating some of what you said earlier and i’m not up there so i don’t know i’m going off of what i’m getting sent in uh via the text line and so on so uh john go check some of that out because i’ve got a lot of folks in your area that are not agreeing with you on that and are basically saying that, yeah, we wish it was that easy in Cheyenne. We would love that as tradesmen and so on. But the reality is, yeah, no, it isn’t that way at all. It’s much, much worse than that. So, again, folks, I do not know. I am not in Cheyenne. Those of you that are up there that are texting me, thank you, because I would have no other way of figuring that out. Anyways, thank you all for those text messages. I do appreciate that because otherwise I would have no idea what goes on in some of those areas, and a lot of you do. So great conversations today. Some of this I’ll continue on tomorrow, by the way, with Andy and I. We’ve got Jordan Goodman joining us in the 3 o’clock hour, which will be an interesting hour tomorrow given all the things going on economically speaking. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
