This edition of Washington Watch, hosted live from SoConCon 2025, brings together influential voices in the conservative movement to discuss significant topics affecting the nation. Tony Perkins leads discussions around America's strategic exits from key United Nations organizations, with special commentary from public figures and leaders in the social conservative space. You'll hear from prominent individuals like Craig DeRoche and Senator Ron Johnson, who share insights into the political strategies driving these decisions. The conversation extends into the realm of cultural and policy shifts, exploring the critical role that Family Policy Councils play in steering the country towards values-based governance. With a deep dive into the transformative potential of localized, grassroots advocacy, this episode serves as a rallying cry for listeners to engage in the pressing issues of our time, bringing both awareness and encouragement to the audience.
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From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview, Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
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today, the United States informed Director General Audrey Azoulay of the United States' decision to withdraw from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, also known, of course, as UNESCO. Continued involvement in UNESCO is not in the national interest of the United States.
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That was State Department spokesman Tammy Bruce yesterday announcing the U.S. is withdrawing from UNESCO, marking the fourth U.N. entity the U.S. has exited since President Trump returned to office. Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson joins us later to discuss. Welcome to Washington Watch, broadcasting live from the SoConCon 2025 in Indianapolis, Indiana. Behind me is Victory Field, home of the Indianapolis Indians. In front of me is a live audience watching here. for Washington Watch. So what is SoConCon? Good question. Craig DeRoche, President and CEO of Family Policy Alliance, will be with us in just a moment to explain. Also today, the Missouri Attorney General filed a lawsuit against Planned Parenthood for spreading lies and disinformation about the powerful chemical abortion drug Mifeprestone.
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Planned Parenthood wants you to believe that mifepristone, the powerful drug used to kill a child in the womb, is safer than Tylenol. The lies must stop. We have to expose them. And we're going to hold these charlatans and debt dealers accountable.
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That was Attorney General Andrew Bailey, Dr. Christina Francis, CEO of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and David B. Wright, Executive Director of the Life Leadership Conference, will join me later to discuss the importance of exposing the dangers of the abortion drug. And we told you about this yesterday.
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Public media, public radio, public television are a critical part of the emergency response plans of nearly half of the states in this nation. Defunding this is a real risk to the public safety of the country.
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That was NPR CEO Catherine Maher claiming budget cuts to public broadcasting and the recent rescissions bill are a threat to public safety. Hey, but guess what? There are alternatives to government-funded media, like what you're listening to right now. Troy Miller, president of National Religious Broadcasters, will join us in today's lineup as well. All of that and more coming up on this edition of Washington Watch. Well, we are more than six months into the second Trump administration, and while social conservatives are thankful the election didn't go the other way, now is not the time to rest on our laurels. This is a time to work and to do what the Lord has called us to do, to be salt and light. And that is why social conservatives have gathered in Indianapolis for the 2025 SoConCon, where we are right now. What's it all about? What do they hope to accomplish? With me to discuss this is Craig DeRoche. He's the president and CEO of the Family Policy Alliance, which hosts the annual event. Craig is a former House Speaker in the Michigan State Legislature. Craig, welcome to Washington Watch.
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Tony, it's such a privilege to be here. Thanks for bringing the whole show to SoConCon.
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Well, let's start with what is SoConCon?
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It's not the most creative name in the world, but it's one that I hope your guests can remember. Social Conservative Conference. The idea, Tony, was that we go to a lot of conservative conferences, but they kind of pat us on the head in fiscal conservatism, some of these other ideas. tend to dominate, so what if we had a place for us, by us, where Christian groups, we're a Christian organization founded as you are, we share a founder in Doc Dobson, but what if we mobilize bigger than that, the Jewish families, the Islamic, the other faiths, people of no faith yet, they don't know Jesus yet, but they know what's going on in America is wrong, and mobilize them, and that's what this conference was meant to bring them together.
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So let's talk about the Family Policy Alliance. Yes. About 40 strong, representing 40 states across the country. Talk a little bit about their role. Many of the executive directors and presidents of those entities are here.
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And this is one of the most fascinating groups of people because they're independent leaders. For those of you who've been listening to this show for a long time, you'll know that the leader that a lot of us look to, you, Tony, you've been such a mentor to me throughout the years. When I started working for Chuck Colson back in 2011, he told me you were one of the first person I needed to meet and that you had experience and you've always been there, whether it was at Prison Fellowship or Family Policy Alliance. But We believe that coming together in community of social conservatives around our values, that we're better together, and that's what the state groups do. Most groups, when you're listening, they're a national group that's coming up with an idea. towards you with the family policy councils. You have the opportunity where you live, we'll pick on Louisiana, where you started yours, to listen to this show, and we want everybody to listen to this show. We want you supporting a family research council going to their events, but if you say, I need to fix something in my school district, Tony, You got me so fired up now that it's legal for me to hang it in God we trust at my city council. How do I do that?
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Right.
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And that's what the Family Policy Council does.
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And they're great. They cover at the state level what we do at the national level. In fact, more in many ways because what I often say, and I shared this this morning – In D.C., I've been there almost a quarter of a century, I feel like we're keeping the barbarians at bay most of the time while the states are really enacting innovative policy, addressing problems, and we see some of the most creative policy ideas have actually percolated up from the states.
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Amen. And if I could just give one example, and it's contemporary and it's playing out in real time. When we stuck up for girls' civil rights, a hard-fought victory, Title IX, in 1973, Tony Perkins was one of the only voices in D.C. willing to do that. The Chamber of Commerce wouldn't do it. The Republican Party wouldn't do it. And a lot of our political friends wouldn't do it. But the Family Policy Council is exactly what you were saying. D.C. would never have touched that. But just like welfare reform in the 90s, Tony, you and I and all the FPCs, we started doing that. In state after state. And eventually it got injected in this presidential campaign.
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Well, even something that was in the latest reconciliation bill on educational scholarship programs. Oh, right. That originally came out of Arizona as a out of the state legislature there. Yeah. And percolated up other states states. you know did it it worked and so then the federal government latches onto it which is the way it should i think that's the way the founders intended our system of federalism to work
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And they did. And I think it's so dynamic what's going on right now. I think any Christian, you know, within the sound of your voice right now, Tony, the Social Conservative Conference is really about, I don't like looking back a lot, but if you think about this last election, a lot of people were fighting for relevance. And if you look at the last six months and you see some really important people, the richest man in the world fighting for relevance. Hmm. But you see the people that have actually had that relevance in the election and since are the people that you don't know their names because they're famous and they don't have more money than other people. But it just seems like we're continuing. You know, God has been with us and that we have an anointing as we're together.
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The truth never changes. So if you want to, you might not be in vogue today, but tomorrow, eventually, the truth is going to prevail. And so if you just stand on truth, you're going to be in the right place. Craig, talk a little bit about how those, as you mentioned, they want to get involved in the library issue, a school board issue. They want to know more about their state legislature. Is there a clearinghouse where folks across the country, because this Washington Watch is in every state.
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Yeah.
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How can they find out more about connecting with their local Family Policy Council?
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Absolutely. And I want you to remember that we are partners. So if you forget this, you want to talk to your friends at FRC, and they're going to introduce you back to this. But you can look us up. We're Family Policy Alliance, familypolicyalliance.com. We were founded within Focus, but we're called Family Policy Alliance right now.
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And that's our common DNA. Because FRC was spun off of Focus on the Family in 1992, became its own entity. And then after that, they realized they still needed a policy robust arm, and they created the Family Policy Councils in the early 90s. And then that spun off from Focus, and now you've been heading this for the last several years.
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And then we built it back up, and then we reconnected back. This is the fun part. We're putting kind of a vertical back together. And, Tony, I think that's where the breakthrough has been is what I'm trying to say. So I hope everybody listening, sure, there's a lot of things to be frustrated about today, but there is so many victories, just from your intro, to be excited about.
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We want everybody to... Talk a little bit about, you know, we're... Okay, in the early 90s is when the Family Policy Councils first started. Right. It's gone through different phases. But let's talk about the success that we've seen now that, as we talked about this morning here at the conference, that these state entities have really come into maturity.
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And people out there, there's a lot of people groping for what's next. You know, where is the money going? Are we going to create a new political party? All these other things. Our family policy councils are in 40 states, a ragtag group of people. They are now, Tony, we just did a survey in conjunction with this conference. They raise and spend over $50 million a year. So them as an entity, there are 40 independent agencies with their own boards, but they would be as large as, you know, they would be in the sphere of a $50 million D.C.-based lobby. And then you have to add on all the other, and when you go to the Social Conservative Conference, we, all of our organizations are approaching a billion dollars in revenue now. So we're becoming more professional as a movement and more sophisticated with our tactics.
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And how many people do they employ?
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over 400 employees right now. And I love your story. We're probably out of time, but you started with you in Louisiana.
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Yeah, well, actually me and I had at the time Focus, Randy Wilson was at Focus, and we drove the state of Louisiana raising money to launch it. But it's so encouraging to see all our family policy leaders that are here that have, they are really making a significant difference. They're not They're not on the headlines of the newspapers, but they're having the conversations with legislators. They're putting forward, like here, a lot of percolation of ideas and shared values. You just had your statesman academy. This information is being spread across the country in an organized effort. And so you're leveraging a lot of relationships, a lot of resources to make a very big difference.
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Well, thank you so much for that. And for those of you who are listening, this is why we think we're making a difference. When the University of Pennsylvania president writes a handwritten apology note, we think that that's hard to come back from. That's hard to take that lie and come back into a room.
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Explain that a little bit for our listeners on our website.
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Yeah, just they've been telling a lie to the American public, and it's been propagated by people that have credibility. University of Pennsylvania is an Ivy League school, Harvard, and they were lying. Just like if a police officer or a judge lies to you, it takes a while before that sinks in. It's sinking into America right now that this wasn't a political victory. This is a moral victory for America, and it will be durable. And I just wanted to point out the difference, Tony. What you're pointing out is we're getting moral victories for America right now that will digest and settle like slavery was bad. Right. And we agree on that. We move forward. I think that transgenderism... we're going to remember that as a bad era.
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And while we have this opportunity, we need to make sure that we change laws and policies so that we don't revisit this area again.
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Amen.
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And move our nation back to transcendent truth. Craig, we're out of time in this first segment. Thanks for inviting us to be a part of SoConCon. Appreciate your leadership and a great conference so far. Thank you. Thank you for being here. And enjoy the ballgame tonight. Amen. Thank you. All right, folks, we still have a lot more of Washington Watch to come as we're broadcasting live here from the SoConCon 2025. So don't go anywhere. On the other side of the break, we're going to be joined by Senator Ron Johnson. He's going to be talking about what the Senate has been working on as the House broke earlier today. Also talking about UNESCO and the United States pulling out of that another U.N. entity that the United States is not going to be funding or involved in. That is good news. So don't go anywhere. We're back with more Washington. Watch right after this.
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A family is the oldest, most tested, and most reliable unit of society. It is divinely created and sustained. And yet, there are those who are always tampering with its values and structure. That's why we need organizations like the Family Research Council that can effectively defend and strengthen the family.
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Family Research Council began over 40 years ago, like all great movements of God, with prayer. Today, rooted in the heart of the nation's capital, FRC continues to champion faith, family, and freedom in public policy and the culture from a biblical worldview.
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FRC is one of those bright lights that helps us focus on true north. And I shudder to think had they not been here that it could have been worse, worse, worse.
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The Family Research Council is key. It's one of a handful of groups that I think will determine whether our children live in a country that enjoyed all of the freedom and all the opportunity that we enjoyed in this great land.
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It's just a wonderful parachurch organization that doesn't seek to take the place of the church, but it seeks to assist the family and the church as we try to move forward successfully, not in a defensive mode, but in an offensive mode as we seek to live our lives according to the Holy Scriptures.
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FRC is not going to be whooped. You know, we're going to fight. We're going to take a stand.
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And again, we don't retreat. You will never see in front of this building here in Washington, D.C., a white flag flying. We will never step back. We will never surrender. And we will never be silent. Hello, friends, this is Tony Perkins. You know what? We just finished our 21 day family Bible challenge through the book of Matthew. And if you joined us, I pray that it has already borne fruit in your life and in your home as you place the Lord and his word at the center of your home. Now, our journey through the Bible doesn't end here, though. The challenge was a part of our Stand on the Word Bible reading plan. And from here, we're going to cover the rest of the New Testament. And now that we've finished the book of Matthew, let me ask you, would you consider joining us for the rest of the journey through the Word of God? In 10 to 15 minutes a day, you'll see how the good news of Jesus transformed the lives of common people, people just like you and me, and how those same people transformed the known world through the power of the Holy Spirit. I invite you to continue the journey with me and discover the life-enriching power of the Word of God. Visit frc.org slash Bible for a reading plan. That's frc.org slash Bible to learn more. Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for tuning in as we're broadcasting live from the SoConCon 2025. Behind me, Victory Stadium. It's the minor league ballpark here in Indianapolis. And in front of me, a live audience for Washington Watch from SoConCon participants. Well, yesterday, the State Department announced that the U.S. would be withdrawing from the United Nations cultural organization, UNESCO, by the end of the year. Now, UNESCO is the third, actually the fourth U.N. agency that President Trump has pulled out of this year, following the World Health Organization, the United Nations Human Rights Council, as well as UNRWA. What does this mean for the United States in terms of its international influence? And might we be pulling out of more U.N. agencies? Joining me now to discuss this, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, a member of the Senate Homeland Security Committee and the Government Affairs Committee. He also serves on the Budget Committee and Finance Committee. Senator Johnson, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
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Thanks for having me. Hope you're doing well.
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I'm doing well. I'm sure you were very excited, not only about the UNESCO news, but also earlier in the week with the United States weighing in on the World Health Organization and their amendments.
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I'll tell you, this is another classic example that elections have consequences. And in this case, America chose wisely in electing President Trump because he is highly skeptical of these global organizations and he's pulling the United States out of them. which is probably the greatest influence we can have on them because we are generally such a big funder, and some of these things basically exist because we fund them. This is good news, but across the board. We're closing our borders. We have closed our border. We're trying to bring an end to these wars. We're trying to get our debt and deficit under control. So this is just one more example of President Trump doing right by the American people and putting America first and protecting American sovereignty.
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Do you think that the United Nations is going to receive the message here when, for instance, UNESCO, they recently decided that they wanted to recognize Palestine as a state. That was maybe, I don't know if that was the straw that broke the camel's back here, but the United States pulling out of UNESCO once again. Do you think the United Nations is going to get the message?
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I doubt it. They haven't gotten the message for decades now. Partly because we ping-pong back and forth between a president like President Trump, who's highly skeptical of these global organizations, and then a president like President Biden, who's happy to surrender American sovereignty on the altar of these global institutions. So I doubt it. I think the only way they will get the message, if we just withdraw entirely for a long period of time, It would be nice to have some kind of global organization where nations of the world can get together and try and cooperate on a host of different issues. The problem is that they get overtaken by generally leftists and the result ends up not being good.
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You know, Senator Johnson, you make a really, really important point that I don't want to pass over about how this ping pong, how we have under this administration withdrawing from the United Nations. And as you pointed out, it's what happened last time. Then Biden came in, put us back into these things. I experienced this when I was chairman of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. Many of these governments didn't really want to make too many changes because they didn't know what was coming in three or four years. You know, some of these things are so important because this really does shape the identity and the direction of our nation. How do we provide for greater stability so we're not seeing this tremendous shift every four years?
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Radical leftists have to lose elections. We have to win them. It's really that simple. We're a pretty divided nation. I hope more Americans' eyes are being opened. It seems like they are. The Democrat Party have just become a bunch of radical leftists You know, they are the extreme party now in this country. More Americans are awakening that. The problem we have is we still have the mainstream media who are primarily, you know, they are the communication wing of the Democrat Party of radical leftism. So, you know, a lot of Americans just simply aren't getting the truth. They do not realize the destruction of radical leftism. They don't realize the destruction of these global organizations, because it always sounds good, right? I mean, all these world health organizations sounds great, right? But they oftentimes do the exact opposite of what their name calls for. So it just requires education.
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Well, you mentioned the media, and of course we have NPR out there saying that it's a public safety threat now that they've been defunded in the rescissions bill. But honestly, Senator, some of your colleagues on the Republican side bought into that, that we needed to fund them. I mean, so the public's misguided, but there's also some fear and intimidation among the ranks of our leaders.
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There's no doubt about it. And I think a lot of that is driven by the fact that the majority of the legacy of the corporate media is from the left. Democrats can do all kinds of crazy things with impunity. They never get held accountable. When Republicans try and do the right thing, it gets twisted. We get lied about. And many of my colleagues actually fear that. I, for one, don't.
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I know. That's why you're on this program. All right. Let me, Senator, let me ask you this question. As we've seen these four entities that we've taken our money away from or we've gotten out of, what would you like to see next on the list of U.N. agencies that the administration gets the U.S. out of?
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That's a hard one to answer. I'd probably have to go through a pretty long list. Again, I'm just grateful that President Trump has supported the American people to put America first. Again, that's nothing negative as it comes to the rest of the world. I mean, we get our economic house in order. We take care of our people, and that'll have positive repercussions around the world. If every national leader took that approach, healed their own countries, made their own countries the most successful, that generally means the most peaceful, and that has worldwide positive consequences. So it's always bothered me how people denigrate America first, like it's some kind of re-entrenchment or entrenchment. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, that actually has very positive benefits globally.
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It does. I mean, if you're healthy, you can take care of other people. Senator, we just have less than a minute left. I want to ask you a very quick question. The House adjourned after they were at a stalemate over the Epstein files. What's ahead for the Senate?
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Well, we need to confirm President Trump's appointees. And unfortunately, the Democrats are completely obstructing the process in an unprecedented way. If the tables were turned, again, the legacy media would be screaming about Republican obstruction, how elections matter, how a president ought to be able to staff his administration. All those things are true. But unfortunately, the mainstream media is putting no pressure on Democrats. And so they are, again, an unprecedented level of obstruction. So President Trump cannot... Staffers administration, which means they're they're trying to sabotage this administration like they did the first.
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Yeah. All right. Senator Ron Johnson, always great to talk with you. Thanks for joining us today.
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You're welcome.
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All right, folks, stick with us. We're back after this.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch as we broadcast live from SoConCon 2025 here in Indianapolis, Indiana. And by the way, if you have not yet downloaded the StandFirm app, let me encourage you to get the StandFirm app so you can have Washington Watch no matter where you go. You can also have our news and commentary from a biblical perspective, the Washington Stand, and my morning devotion, Stand on the Word. All of that is found on the app, plus so much more. It is a tool for every engaged citizen. So get the Stand Firm app in the App Store. All right, we've discussed this on the program many times, and just yesterday, in fact, why National Public Radio, NPR, and Public Broadcasting Service, PBS, should be defunded. Now, NPR's president and CEO, Catherine Marr, recently spoke against its defunding, claiming that doing so was a real risk to public safety in the entire country. But is NPR really a critical part of local emergency response plans? I actually think there's something that Congress can do that would provide greater access to emergency information. And my next guest is here to talk about it. Joining me here at the SoConCon in Indianapolis, Indiana, Troy Miller. He's the president and CEO of the National Religious Broadcasters. Troy, welcome back to Washington Watch. Tony, it's always great to be with you. All right, so NPR, their defunding is putting the nation at risk?
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No, no, not at all. I think you said it best. You know, the backbone of the emergency alert system is the AM radio across this country. PBS plays a part of that. They actually play mostly a plan B sort of for what's called the wireless alert system, which is usually when cell services go down. But no, PBS's funding is not going to hurt the emergency alert system. But losing AM radio will.
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And that's why I have you on today. We were actually talking about this yesterday. I didn't realize you were going to be here at SoConCon. There is an effort by car manufacturers to take AM radios out of vehicles, which is one of the most reliable sources when natural disasters or emergencies occur.
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Talk about that. That's right. So the AM radio system has always been the backbone of the emergency alert system. There are over 70 hardened stations across this country. And as we've seen in some of the recent disasters, cell service is one of the first things to go down. The Internet's gone. Everything else is gone.
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I'm old school. I keep a transistor radio where I can tune in and find out what's going on. Because we've, in Louisiana, we've gone through many, many of these.
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That's right. And most people, if you order one of these weather alert systems, that's the AM radio that's behind that. That's AM frequencies that that's coming on. So that's the system behind this. The car manufacturers, the real thing behind this is who's going to control information in the dash. This is all about what's called the connected dash. So if you go out to any of these consumer programs today, you're going to see all this connected dash. That's where the future is going.
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Let me... Go a little further on that, because when you have NPR, PBS, government-funded, leftist propaganda, I mean, their broadcasting is no different than legacy media. If not, if anything, it's worse. If AM radios are taken out of vehicles, what is that going to do to conservative talk and religious broadcasting?
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You know, look, 80 million people still listen to AM radio. That's from Inside Radio's report. So in the top genres on there are Christian Talk and Teach, Conservative Talk. Washington Watch. Washington Watch is on there. You have... And the other big group that's on there that'll get disenfranchised is Spanish language programming across this country. And, of course, we know the shift in the Spanish community in the voting.
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I mean, what impact would that have on AM stations if they take them out of cars, which is such a huge market? I mean, this could basically fold the AM.
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It would absolutely fold the AM radio across this country, and it would disenfranchise, like I said, mainly rural people here. But think about this, Tony, for a second. As you said, we have enough censorship already. Now the car manufacturers would be in that role to decide what you can and can't listen to based on their subscription service.
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Okay, so let's talk solutions here. We've got two minutes left. We don't have to fund anybody through Congress. There's just legislation that says to the car manufacturers, don't take AM radios out. Talk about that. That's right.
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And look, the cars are the most regulated thing in America. Blinkers, brake lights, all of these things. It's not anything new. We're not asking them to do anything. It's not asking them for money. We're saying keep AM radio in. We've asked for a 10-year sunset on this to give technology a chance and the stations a chance to manage through all of this. Plus, the FCC just launched a look at the emergency alert system. They have to figure out what the next generation of that's going to look like. And this bill will help all the parties involved. All right. What's the bill? It's the AM radio and every dash bill. It's already out of committee in the Senate. We're hoping when Congress, when the House comes back, it'll come out of committee and to a vote. And it has 259 sponsors right now across out. It's probably the most bipartisan bill that we have in the Congress today. So we expect that it'll come out. It'll get passed. If it hits the floor, it's going to get passed easy. Really not any controversy other than the auto manufacturers.
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Are they continuing to lobby. They are continuing.
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Do you have a bill number? No, not off the top of my head. AM radio on every dash.
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AM radio on every dash. You can either call your congressman, senator, or you can go to TonyPerkins.com. We'll have the information up there as well. Troy, what's NRB working on? You got some big news coming. We only got like 45 seconds left. You can't talk about it yet, but there's some big news coming soon.
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Yeah, so we had a case up against the IRS on the Johnson Amendment, and we're hoping that that case, the conclusion of that case, the decision should be coming down in the next two weeks.
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And that frees the pulpit up to speak to political issues, including candidates. A big, big deal. Been working on that for many years. Troy Miller, always great to see you, my friend. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, Tony. All right. We've had a lot of ground to cover here just in the first part of the program, but there's still more to come on this edition of Washington Watch. We're going to be talking about a lawsuit today by the attorney general of Missouri against Planned Parenthood over the chemical abortion bill. All of that and a bit more coming up on the remaining portion of Washington Watch. Don't go away.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us as we're broadcasting live from SoConCon 2025 here in Indianapolis, Indiana. And behind me you see Liberty Stadium. That is the minor league ball team here in Indianapolis, which many of the conference goers are going to be over there tonight. Not me. I'll be preparing for tomorrow's radio program. But anyway, let me start with this. Our word for today comes from Mark chapter 1, the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Mark opens his gospel with clarity and urgency. The beginning points not just to a new book, but to the unfolding of God's redemptive plan through Jesus. Immediately, Mark introduces John the Baptist. Behold, I send my messenger before your face who will prepare your way. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. You know, John came preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. His message was simple but radical. Turn from sin and be ready for the one who is coming. Then Jesus appears with the same core message. The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the gospel. Well, that continues to be our message today. Repent, believe, and be set free. To find out more about our journey through the Bible, text BIBLE to 67742. Well, earlier today, Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey announced that he filed a lawsuit against Planned Parenthood Federation of America for systematically misleading women about the damages of the abortion drug, Mifeprestone. In announcing the lawsuit, the AG's office noted how Planned Parenthood's false advertising has made dangerous claims, such as calling Mifeprestone, quote, safer than any other medicine like penicillin, Tylenol, and Viagra. So what's the truth when it comes to the abortion drug? Here to discuss this with us and more live from SoConCon are David B. Wright, Executive Director of Life Leadership Conference, and Dr. Christina Francis, CEO of American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists. Dr. Francis, welcome to Washington Watch. Once again, thanks for being with us. Thank you. David, welcome. It's great to be here. All right, so let's start with Dr. Francis. Is the abortion pill just like taking a Tylenol?
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Oh, goodness. Nothing could be further from the truth. And that's why I was so excited to hear about what the AG did in Missouri. You know, certainly we know that the abortion pill is never safe for my preborn patient. It leads to the death of my preborn patient. But it's also not safe for women. And these continued claims that it is safe, safer than over-the-counter medications like Tylenol, are not only misleading for women, they're dangerous. Women are taking these drugs, these very high-risk drugs, without realizing the true dangers that they are facing from taking these drugs. And these dangers are not hypothetical. They are complications that doctors like myself are seeing on a regular basis in our emergency room, seeing women come in with heavy bleeding, infection, and many other kinds of complications.
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Has there been an increase?
SPEAKER 21 :
There definitely has been an increase, yes. You know, there was some recent data that came out that the Ethics and Public Policy Center looked at some insurance claims data. So looking at real world use of these drugs. And that showed that one in nine women now face a serious complication after they take these drugs. And I was being interviewed by another journalist who asked me if I was surprised by that finding. And I said, actually, no, because it's consistent with what I see.
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David, one of the problems we have is the reporting requirements. This information is just not being collected as it should. It's absolutely correct.
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And there have been, since the FDA approved the drug and they had the claim that less than 0.5% of the people who used the drug had a serious adverse event, That was also in the accelerated Clinton approval of the drug, which rushed it through approval to get it to the market. And so what we're seeing now, this data that Dr. Francis is referring to, is 22 times higher than that. But because in the Biden administration, they continue to roll back protections for women who are administered these drugs, we don't even have the data from the typical reporting agencies. And so insurance claims data, 865,000 uses, prescriptions of abortion pills have been reviewed and analyzed from all traditional pay insurers as well as Medicaid, Medicare, Tricare. And that's where they found all these complications. 10.9% of those who take the abortion pill using the FDA's own adverse events reports are seeing these complications. So this hasn't been reported elsewhere. Now that this data has come forward, that's why we need to champion this to Health and Human Services, to the Food and Drug Administration, to make sure that they not only look and say, how do we restore the regulations that were there at the beginning, but ultimately look at why was this drug approved in the first place? And now that we have more data, can it be removed from the market? And it should be removed from the market.
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So, Dr. Francis, let me ask you this question. Because the current FDA policy does not require in-person consultation and the Comstock Act is not being enforced, so these pills are being mailed into states far away from a physician. Is this are you pretty confident that these numbers are underreported because people are not necessarily going to come in and say, I took the abortion pill? They might say that, you know, I'm having a miscarriage or something else.
SPEAKER 21 :
Oh, 100 percent. We know that these are underreported. As you stated, the FDA under the Biden administration lifted that one last in-person visit that was required for women to obtain these drugs and was necessary, honestly, for women to receive fully informed consent about the risks of that drug. Now, as you said, they're being mailed from all over the country, even from other countries into even states where abortion is illegal.
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We're so concerned about, you know, the drugs coming across our southern border and how we don't know what some of these drugs are coming in from China and other places. I mean, really, we're going to allow people to be mailing these things through the mail with no contact with a physician.
SPEAKER 21 :
Right, absolutely. You know, the abortion industry likes to claim that abortion is health care, and yet they don't want to be regulated as the rest of us in health care are regulated. And this really is medical malpractice, the way these drugs are being dispensed to women with no interaction with a medical professional whatsoever.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, so I'm going to make a statement here. I've made it before in this program. But, David, you made reference to this, that this policy, this current policy was put in place during the Biden administration, and it's still in place. Right. But it could be changed by the FDA. It absolutely can, and it should. Okay, so let me play a clip of Dr. McCary, Dr. Marty McCary, who is the FDA commissioner. This was Tuesday, July the 22nd. He was on MSNBC's Morning Joe, and he was asked about the abortion pill. I want you to hear his response. We want to play clip number five, please.
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We can't turn a blind eye to what's happening with safety signals with that drug or any drug. So that evaluation is ongoing.
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But is it still true for you that you have no plans to take action on changing access to that drug?
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That is true.
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So he said, you know, we need to look at these things. But he says, I have no plans to change access to this drug, which is totally uncontrolled. There's no restrictions, basically, on this drug. In states like Louisiana, Texas, and about a dozen other states that have strong pro-life laws, those laws are being totally sidestepped by this abortion drug. I mean, this could be changed overnight by this administration. So let's talk about abortion numbers, David. I know you track this. After Dobbs, there was a short-term, immediate drop in abortion. According to the abortion industry, about 930,000 abortions. We're now over a million. in the last two years, an increase in abortion. And we're hearing all this about people don't have access to this. The abortion pill is behind that, is it not?
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The abortion pill is central to that. When you have the abortion industry research arm, Guttmacher Institute, saying that this was in 2023, 63% of abortions are now committed by abortion pills. I was just recently in Des Moines, Iowa, 90% are there, are done by abortion pills, abortions, because the Iowa legislature has tried to enact protections for women and children. Columbus, Ohio, it's 85%. So that is leading to so much of this. And the pills, as we talked about, are being mailed from all over the place with no protections. This is a health crisis. And now that we know the pill has all these additional complications and the providers don't care about the safety and health of women. They don't even many times require any physician contact. They don't require any proof of pregnancy. You don't even have to provide information saying whether you're male or female. And they're just mailing these pills out. If you have money, they'll send a pill. And that's why we're seeing the numbers go up as well as traffic across state borders. I was recently, Tony, in Texas. And I was sitting at a banquet, a pro-life banquet, and a woman shared with me, I've retired after Dobbs' decision because Texas protects children and abortions don't happen here. But I had the data knowing that more than 36,000 women had crossed the borders to other states, primarily New Mexico, to have surgical abortions, and more than 34,000 abortion pills had been mailed into Texas. So these states that are passing laws to protect life, 70,000 children are dying.
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That's the irony here, even of the current administration, that says they support the effective dobs, allowing states to protect women and the unborn. But yet the federal policy still in place does the exact opposite. In fact, I was talking with Jonathan Sines, who's here at the SoConCon from the Texas Values. And in the special session there in Texas, the governor has a bill in there to try to strengthen control of or at least ability to sue after the fact, those that traffic in these abortion pills.
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Absolutely.
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How widespread is this across the country that you've come across, Dr. Francis?
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Well, you know, as David said, we know that the abortion pills now account for the vast majority of abortions in this country, including in states like here in Indiana. I'm a Hoosier. You know, in this state, we passed a good law that protects women and children from the harms of abortion. And yet, in my practice as an OB hospitalist, our group still sees on a regular basis women coming into our emergency room with severe complications related to this drug because they're able to obtain them online. And I think it's really important for people to understand how truly dangerous this is. The farther along in pregnancy a woman is when she takes the drugs, the higher her risk of emergency surgery. They're not ruling out ectopic pregnancy, which is life-threatening for women.
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Originally, the pill was designed, was it not up to seven weeks in the pregnancy?
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The original approval was up to seven weeks. And part of the reason they chose seven weeks was because the study showed that starting at about eight weeks, the risk of complications increased exponentially. Unfortunately, under the Obama administration, they then expanded that to 10 weeks of pregnancy.
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But how do you know whether someone is 7, 10 weeks when you're signing a prescription or sending these pills through the mail? We've got cases in Louisiana where our attorney general is suing a doctor in New York that has sent the pills into Louisiana. How does that doctor know whether that woman is 7 weeks, 10 weeks, 12 weeks, 15 weeks along?
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Yeah, the doctor has no idea. And the woman, in fact, may not actually know how far along she is. And this destroys informed consent for women because a doctor cannot possibly discuss her risks unless they know how far along she is. All of these things that we've discussed are the reason that led APLOG to lead a letter from six medical organizations representing 30,000 medical professionals to HHS and the FDA, urging them very strongly to take into account this new data about the complications and to take a look at how this is being dispensed, the harm that it's causing for women, and to put back those original safeguards to pull that use back to seven weeks and ensure that women have ongoing care if they are going to take these drugs.
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Now, I think, Dr. Francis, when that letter was sent, they indicated they were going to look at the studies. Have you heard any further information from the FDA?
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We have not, although we have been told that they will take a look at the data and we'll take that into consideration. And, you know, I think it's very important that people understand no matter where we stand on the issue of abortion, no matter where someone stands, they should care about women not being treated like this. And the bottom line is the FDA right now is not doing its job when it comes to protecting women in this country.
SPEAKER 15 :
Totally true. No question about that. I mean, they are once again sacrificing the well-being of women for a political, ideological goal. But, David, I would say there's another side to this, and that is what we talked about just a moment ago, is that the recognition that the states have a right to protect women. Women and children. I mean, we saw that in a recent Supreme Court case when it came to gender transitions and gender treatments, that the states have a right to set a standard. That's right. This is totally being undermined by the federal government. Now, I know the abortion industry is exploiting it, but it's the federal government that's opening the door.
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And I think, Tony, to your point earlier, this is why it's so important that whether we live in a red state or a blue state, something we can all do to make a life-saving impact today is contact Health and Human Services, RFK Jr.' 's office, and say, this pill must be investigated. You have the additional data. Do your job. Protect women. And then to Dr. McCary and to the FDA, the same thing. Communicate to them. They will act when they feel the heat. And that's what we have the responsibility to do.
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And that's what the SOCONCON is all about here is advocating for these values that make America strong. You know, we hear all this about making America great again. I want to see it great, but the pathway to greatness is goodness first. And I think nothing is more important than protecting women and unborn children. Folks, you can weigh in on this. Text the word LIFE to 67742, LIFE to 67742, and you can sign a petition that we're going to take to this administration encouraging people to stand, this administration to stand on the right side of this issue and protect women and children and the right of states to do the same. Dr. Francis, I'll give you the final word.
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Well, you know, I would just echo everything that's been said here to just emphasize how important it is for people to realize, especially women who might be contemplating an abortion, to realize the true dangers that exist with this drug. Again, obviously for their preborn child, but also for them. And as you said, every American should be invested in ensuring that if the FDA says that a drug is safe in the way that it's being dispensed, that it is actually safe. So I would encourage people to sign your petition, join us. in asking the FDA to ensure that there are appropriate regulations around this drug.
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Dr. Francis, thank you. David B. Wright, thank you for your leadership and your passion on the life issue. Always great to have you on the program. Great to be back. And folks, let your voice be heard. Sign that petition. Text the word LIFE to 67742. That's LIFE to 67742. And take a stand. This is a moment in which we have an administration that is right on most things, and they should be listening to us, and they will. but you've got to speak up. So text LIFE to 67742. All right, until next time. And we'll be back again tomorrow, and I hope you will be as well. But until next time, I leave you with the encouraging words the Apostle Paul found in Ephesians 6, where he says, when you've done everything you can do, and you've prayed, prepared, and taken your stand.
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Listeners will find themselves captivated by Pat Boone's reflections on historic and modern-day challenges, from the Middle East conflict to the state of unity among Americans. Pat shares his thoughts on the recent tragedies in Israel and emphasizes the importance of faith during turbulent times. As he reminds us of the necessity of turning towards God and seeking peace, the episode highlights his enduring hope for a world restored by love and unity. Pat’s journey through music and philanthropy sets an example of how one man's vision can drive meaningful change across the globe, rekindling hope in a divided world.
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I get some real joyful experiences as a decades-long Big Mouth talk show host. I get to meet people that I admire, that I've listened to, that I've appreciated over the years. And the Pat Boone story is one that is pretty remarkable because this legendary singer, songwriter, author, actor. He's in a chapter of his life right now where he's doing so much good for others. In fact, this is a commitment that he and his precious wife have had, and his late wife, Shirley. They were committed to sharing their many blessings with others. And if you can believe this, at 91 years young, the great Pat Boone has a hit. The hit And he has had many hits over the years. I mean, this is a guy who was right up there with Elvis. He sold almost 50 million records. And I was going to start with one of his... Well, I want to start with this new hit because this hit is making a huge difference in the lives of many, many people. I want you to hear this hit that he now has won... for Tanzania, raising money to build wells for villages in Tanzania. And they took Pat's song, One, and they created a version of it with legends like Vince Gill, Larry Gatlin, Alabama, and more. I want you to check out the new single, One, Voices for Tanzania.
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One. One. One. One. Like no other human being, I am one. And in my life there is a meaning, there is worth, there is a purpose. Like no other on this planet.
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So beautiful. So taking one and doing it to focus on saving lives. And what a joy it is to welcome back the legendary Pat Boone to the Mike Gallagher Show. Pat, I see you on the screen. You look great. You sound great. Great voice. How have you been, sir?
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Doing great. I'm glad to have the Pat and Mike show again. Or the Mike and Pat. No, no. Pat and Mike. Pat and Mike. You get top billing. Yeah, and that song has exploded, thank God. And that's Lee Greenwood you're hearing singing. Yep. And gosh, Vince Gill and the Gatlin Brothers. Oh man, I look at the list of Billy Dean, Deborah Allen, Wendy Moten, Alabama, and all of them singing. Wow. And I use the number one four ways, one about the individual. And I'm thinking of that child who has a life expectancy of five years in Tanzania because he drinks poison water. But has worth. He is like no other on the planet. He is individual and unique. Secondly, the use of the one is one we are one when good people come together and they're in a unity, then we can do great things. Then three, one, our nation is supposed to be one nation under God, which we are no longer apt in saying because we're divided, hopelessly divided right now. And then one, our God is one. So I use the number one four ways. And the ministry called World Serve in Springfield, Missouri, was already involved for several years now in creating freshwater wells. And they asked if they could use my song, like a We of the World, and I call it We of the Well, in the US of it. And so that's what we've done. And boy, it's millions of responses now on the Internet. And it's, of course, the biggest record I've ever had. I've had major hit records in the past. But this is, I think, going to be the biggest and certainly the most important of my life.
SPEAKER 03 :
You think this will be bigger than April Love?
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I hope so, really. I mean, as big as April Love was, and that was my favorite song ever to record and written for me for my second movie. But yeah, I think that this song, it is a lifesaver, literally. And if people respond, and I'm urging that parents, mamas, bring their children to see the video and then go to the website, which is one for Tanzania, and a button pops up. I call it the giving button, the red button. And then if it's their kids, give coins. I mean, you know, whatever. whatever they want the child to give, that their child can help save the life of other children their age. And that's why I think that it's got such a life-giving and life-saving capability if we'll use it for what it is.
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Sure. Onefortanzania.org is the site. And I hope everybody watching and listening today will go to onefortanzania.org because what a beautiful, beautiful mission. And look, Pat, I think about you and your Shirley. becoming committed to doing good in the world. You two had such a journey together. And look, just like my late wife, I'm going to see my Denise again someday. You're going to see Shirley again and be with her again. And we'll be together in heaven. And I think often about what it what it must have been like for you to say, look, I've had this great career. I've made movies and all these records and I've got all this money that I've been very successful. Now, Shirley and I want to do good in the world. And that was there a moment in your life when you said, aha, this is this is what I can do.
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Yes, but it goes back farther than you think. Some 30 years ago, we created, because of the Cambodian crisis, when Pol Pot, the dictator, had created a concentration camp up against the Thai border. And on our news programs, and I'm sure you remember, All the time, parents, mamas holding their starving babies with distended bellies from starvation, not food, in their arms. And Shirley said, we've got to do something. I said, honey, this is an international problem. What do you think we can do about it? Well, we've got to do something. And so we called a Thanksgiving party. at our home, and we invited people like Oral Roberts and Rex Humbart and Billy Graham, President Carter, and to send representatives, and we had what we called a Cambodian Thanksgiving dinner. It was at Thanksgiving time in our home. And we served what we call a Thanksgiving dinner in Cambodia. It was just dry, not dry, but chicken, just chicken, a piece of chicken on a plate with rice, paper plate and water to drink. And it would have been a Thanksgiving feast in Cambodia then. And we then watched television and decided prayerfully, what could we do? And we created what became Mercy Corps. C-O-R-P-S, and that was so many years ago, and it is right now, today, still operating in 40 nations, and it is registered along with the top five humanitarian organizations ever. People don't even know that that started in Shirley's and my home, praying and crying about what was going on in Cambodia. And now I... And she, I still include her, she's in heaven and watching, and I talk to her every day. I don't hear her voice in return, but I'm communicating with her. And we're, through our church, Church on the Way in Van Nuys, we are supporting ministries now in Cambodia still to this day. Well, that was one thing. But then the Easter Seals, when I was the chairman of Easter Seals, helping handicapable is a phrase I came up with, handicapable kids. And we raised, what was it, $600 million while I was the co-host or the host of the show. I remember. Now, we can't do the telethons anymore because TV stations won't give up any of their time. for humanitarian things like that because they're too interested in what they can make during that time period. So you don't see telethons much anymore at all. Anyway, those are things that have been part of my life along the way. A while, I was recording in the middle of all that in 98, 99, my heavy metal album. And I did all... Big band swing versions, big orchestra band versions of heavy metal classics, including, of course, Crazy Train. And that's when Ozzy Osbourne moved in next door to me right at that point. Right. And I had not met him at all.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, let's talk about that for just a moment, because I'm so glad you mentioned Ozzy, because he passed away this week, and a lot of people don't know the history of you and Ozzy. A lot of people have learned that, look, this Prince of Darkness thing was kind of a shtick for him. He was actually a very kind man, and I believe a Christian and a believer, and was your next-door neighbor, Pat.
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Yep, he moved in next door after I had recorded his song already in my heavy metal album. And I had recorded Crazy Train, which I already saw as valid social commentary. Because it was saying, hey, crazy, that's how it goes. Millions of people nursing their woes. And I thought, kids today are plagued with... falsehood, with hypocrisy, with all kinds of things that they are told, and then they turn out they're not true. And so they're going off the rails on a crazy train because of uncertainty, because of falsehood, because of anger. And I called right away. When Ozzie, I met him, he came shuffling down the sidewalk from the next door to get in an Escalade. And and that's when I met him through the the grate of my my my opening it to my driveway. Oh, sure. And here he comes. And I said, hi, Ozzie, Pat Boone. Oh, hi, Pat. He says, on my way to a meeting, he says, when I come home, we get to have some tea, OK? And, of course, we did, and we became friends, and I got to know Sharon and the kids. And I tell you, I wish we didn't call Ozzy now Prince of Darkness. I found him to be a Prince of Kindness because he was so kind. It was a love story, him and Sharon, and with the kids. And then when they... When they did their show, the Osbournes, Sharon liked my version of his song, Crazy Train, so much that she used my version as the opening theme song of their show. That's right. Crazy, that's how it goes. That's right, I remember. And I was doing the theme song to his show, My Next Door Neighbor, and I found him to be such a gentle soul. And in his house, yes, they were all kind of some kind of satanic things, because that was part of his image. But then that clashed with the cross and other things, because that was some of his spiritual belief. And he was a mixture. He was an actor. And this was his act, just like my friend Alice Cooper, son of a minister himself. And both of them created these bizarre images and songs to go with them. And they became very, very popular, but it Their public image was a total clash with their personal lives. That's right. And they made a go of it. I mean, gosh, he became an icon. But I think it misrepresents him as a person.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, we're also talking to icon Pat Boone, who's got so many exciting things going on in his world right now that we wanted to share with you. And again, if you want to get and learn all about Voices for Tanzania, go to onefortanzania.org. Pat, I want to talk a little bit about the... Because I get so excited to catch up with you, and there's so many good things going on in the country and in the world, but there's also a lot of darkness. You know, the last time you and I visited together, we talked about your role. You've been an ambassador for tourism for Israel for many years, and you know Bibi Netanyahu. You know Mike Huckabee. It's so fascinating. frustrating and actually devastating to witness the loss of life, the horrific things. I went to Israel a few weeks after October 7th, and I interviewed survivors of the Hamas massacre. Oh, yeah, it was really riveting. I spoke to one young college student, Pat, a young woman. I'll never forget. She hid in a bush along with her boyfriend for hours and hours. All of their friends were slaughtered by Hamas that horrific day, October 7th. And a lot of young people today, they just don't seem to recognize the evil of terrorism, the evil of Hamas. They blame Israel. Can you give me your sort of thoughts on this terrible, terrible conflict, this awful war where so many lives have been lost, including Palestinians?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I can, and I hope it won't seem too pedantic or too long, but we have to go back to the beginning. Where did Israel come from? Well, they are God's chosen people. When God brought them out of bondage in Egypt across the desert to this land of Canaan, it was called at the time, and it was populated, and there were tribes of Philistines, which we now call Palestinians, but it was the Philistines and other pagan tribes who populated that land, and God told Abraham, that I'm giving you that land and your people forever. Now, when he brought the people of Israel, over 2 million people, out of bondage, and he brought them in, and he then told the 12 tribes through Joshua, here's the part for the tribe of Judah, part Simeon, part all the other tribes, the 12 tribes. The tribe of Judah was given a place, and it's in the Bible, called Gaza. And Rapha, those names are right in Deuteronomy and in the Numbers and the Bible. God gave those lands forever to the people of Israel, and they were to run out. The immigrants, I mean, not the immigrants, the people that lived there already who were so pagan that God had given up on them. He couldn't. Correct them. They were not interested in him at all. So they just they had to be driven out of that land and it was given to Israel. So that's a 4000 year old tenant that and they are the tenants of that land. And Netanyahu knows that it was given to them and not to never to be populated by anybody but Jews. But there could be another whole Palestinian nation right next door, as long as they didn't want the same plot of land and wanted to drive them into the sea. So when this thing happened and the terrible massacre occurred, and then Israel, of course, you know, the Bible says, turn the other cheek. But he didn't say... And don't do anything when they start killing your children. You can strike back and defend yourself. And so that's what they've been doing. Now, of course, Hamas was a government set up by the Palestinians who took over that land. Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, made a terrible mistake in giving authority over that land to the Palestinians who inhabited it by over a million people. And he gave them authority over that land, didn't give them the land, but the authority to govern it. And then they chose. They chose Hamas to govern them, which became the brutal killers that did that massacre and then continued to bombard and were determined to drive Israel into the sea. Well, what are people that are inhabiting the land God gave them supposed to do, just lie down? No. They have proven to be very, very powerful. strong opponents to those who wanted to kill them. And as this struggle goes on, we keep wanting Israel to quit bombing the rubble that was Gaza. But there's still shots being fired by Hamas into Israel. And there are still hostages, Pat. And hostages, yes, that have not been released. And so many that even if we get them back, it'll be just their bodies, perhaps. Now, I have come up with what I think is the easy solution. And I've tried to communicate this to my friend, Bibby. I mean, I don't call him that. He's Prime Minister Netanyahu. But he calls me Speedy every time we're together because he loved my record of Speedy Gonzalez. So every time we're together, he says, hello, Speedy. Come on in. And so I've tried to get this to him. Look, just create a new Gaza. The old Gaza doesn't exist. That is rubble. It's destroyed. It's 300 feet down in tunnels. It's ruined. Create a new Gaza, but go down on the Sea of Aqaba, about 100 miles or less, down on the Sea of Aqaba. Build a brand new Gaza. Modern everything, and Israel and America and even the Middle Eastern countries would all contribute to the building of a new Gaza, but not on that same contested piece of property that God gave to the tribe of Judah, and it's never going to be taken from them. So just build a new Gaza. It has to be built somewhere, but don't build it on the rubble that exists now. Build a brand new shining city-state. Just across the Sinai Peninsula, it's property that is ready to be populated, and it could be a border on that Sea of Aqaba instead of the Red Sea. And, I mean, that's an easy solution. If you're going to build a new Gaza, it has to be built somewhere. Don't build it on that same contested piece of land. Go over on the— So anyway, I've been trying to communicate that maybe they'll come up to that idea themselves. I think it's God's plan to rebuild a whole city-state. It can be as big and rich and modern as anything in the world, but just don't build it on that contested piece of land that is never going to belong to anybody but the tribe of Judah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure. Well, I'm thinking, too, about you talk about God's will. I think about you sitting down and breaking bread with President Jimmy Carter and others in an effort to make a difference in the world. I don't think it's a secret that you're not exactly a liberal Democrat. So for you to sit down with President Carter in an effort to advance God's work, to do good in the world, I almost worry and fear that those times are gone. You talked about how divided we are, Pat, and we are. I mean, you know, I go through it every day, hours I spend in front of a microphone and a camera talking to Americans who are frustrated, who are anxious. This week, of course, this huge revelation of what the Obama administration likely did to try to hurt the Trump administration. There's just a lot of tension in the air, the Epstein controversy. There's so much that Americans are trying to digest. Do you feel that there's any chance for us getting back to a sense of unity and togetherness in terms of countries and Americans? Or are those days long gone, Pat?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I do, of course, believe there's a chance. But it depends on us. I wrote a book, my last book. I've written other books, but my last book is called If. And I found it to be the most important word in the Bible. That's why I call the book If. Because every promise of God, every blessing of God comes with that word If. 2 Chronicles 7, 14, when they built Solomon's temple. And that's when he said, If my people... who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways. I will hear from heaven, I'll forgive their sin, and I will heal their land. It was if, but John 3, 16, for God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. Wait a minute. Shall not perish. That's the if. That's right. If they will believe and commit their lives. So it depends on us, Mike. It depends on us who believe the Bible. But God is still on his throne. God still rules. His word will never be changed. His will will never be changed. That's right. But it depends on us. Now, if we'll silence these protests on college campuses, anti-Semitism, which is in direct conflict with God's will on this earth, and for the people of Israel, stop condemning them, stop any anti-Semitism. What have they done, the Jews? What have they done to deserve all this persecution? It's because God chose them, and so did the devil. So there's a real Satan. That's right. And when God chose Adam and Eve, guess who entered the picture? Satan. I know. Satan came right in. To undo that. He's never quit, but we cannot quit if we will look at the Master's Guide. That's right. The Master Plan. And get back in tune with that. There can be a peaceful Israel. There can be a brand new Palestinian state in harmony with Israel. We can settle Gaza. We can settle Ukraine. All these things, if we get back in step with God's plan. If, if, if.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, we've got to remember if, and as my friend Joey Hudson in South Carolina always says, God's in control. We can't lose sight of and we can't turn away from our faith. Now's the time to lean into our faith. Now's the time to remember what we believe because, Pat, that's what matters. That's what truly matters. And I worry sometimes about us turning away from that. But I'll tell you what, to get to spend time with you and catch up and learn all about, you know, one, this Voices for Tanzania, you truly are one of my heroes. I admire you so very much. I mean it. I mean it. Not just because I'm starstruck, but because I appreciate who you are in your heart and your soul. And you and your Shirley doing so much good for the world. Every time you get to visit with us on the Mike Gallagher Show, you bless all of us. And I'm so grateful for your time, Pat. I can't wait to catch up with you soon. And you just keep fighting the good fight because, you know, again, what you do is very overwhelming. And look, in many ways, you're just getting started.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, really. I'm in full stride right now. I mean, I broke my hip. I've recovered from that. I'm working out in the gym twice a week with a trainer. He puts me through strenuous exercise. And, yeah, I feel as good right now as I ever did. And at 91. And and so I'm all I can do is thank God. I talk to Shirley every day and I feel like I get messages from her and nudges. I think she's sometimes nudging the Lord saying, stop him, Lord. He's doing too much now. He can't do all this at once. Pull him back a little bit.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, tell Shirley we need you. We need you right now. We need you now more than ever, Pat. And I so appreciate you very much. Pat, all the best. Thanks for catching up with us again. I can't wait to chat with you again soon. And thanks for this great, great work you're doing on behalf of these poor people. You're going to be making a world of difference, and we're honored to spend time with you.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, you yourself are a voice crying in the wilderness, so keep it up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you, Pat. God bless. Thank you, Pat. The great Pat Boone.
Join Logan Seculow as he hosts an engaging discussion with experts and callers on the ongoing document release by Tulsi Gabbard. The show not only dives into the heated responses from former President Obama's office but also analyzes the broader implications of these claims. As updates pour in about Planned Parenthood funding and U.S. involvement in Syria, this episode holds essential insights for anyone interested in understanding the current socio-political dynamics.
SPEAKER 06 :
We got breaking news. Tulsi Gabbard releases more documents after a response from President Barack Obama.
SPEAKER 11 :
Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110.
SPEAKER 06 :
And now your host, Logan Secular. It's a new day, but sometimes these topics feel like it's the same day, Will. But there's always new updates. And this is from our friend, Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard. You may say, Logan, this is exactly how you started the show for the last two days. That's right. But now she is in a bit of a war of words. It's hard to say. War of words. Yes. With, I don't know, the guy's pretty good at speaking, President Barack Obama, who finally put out a statement, and his statement was like, look, I usually don't put out statements in regards to the current White House. I find them ridiculous. But these are unfounded. You know, it feels very denial-y. Why don't you go ahead and give everybody this update? And then Tulsi then responded with dropping even more documents with even more information.
SPEAKER 03 :
this is the statement from former president barack obama and put out by the office of former president obama so he's even keeping himself one step uh removed out of respect for the office of the presidency our office does not normally dignify the constant nonsense and misinformation flowing out of this white house with a response but these claims are outrageous enough to merit one. These bizarre allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction. Nothing in the document issued last week undercuts the widely accepted conclusion.
SPEAKER 06 :
Here we go.
SPEAKER 03 :
You got to listen closely to this part because this is where the word games start. Right. The widely accepted conclusion that Russia worked to influence the 2016 presidential election but did not successfully manipulate any votes. These findings were affirmed in a 2020 report by the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee led by then-chairman Marco Rubio. This is next level shell game here. Because that's not what this is about at all.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and you broke this down for me. We're going to talk about it in the next segment in a lot more detail because then Tulsi said, oh yeah? She didn't say oh yeah. She probably said it very calmly. Right. She just said, release the next tranche. And the next tranche, by the way, had a lot of details about Russian influence on the election. And look, some of what he's saying, like you said, is shell game. It's true on the surface, but there's a lot to infer. They're inferring by saying that, that he was talking about President Trump. And that President Trump, at the time, candidate Trump, was who Russia was manipulating for. But the documents not only prove otherwise. We're going to get into it specifically. This is, again, we're talking about almost 10 years ago now because this is the Clinton campaign. The original Clinton-Trump campaign. So, again, we were much younger men then, Will. We were. 10 years younger. Some of them weren't even born yet.
SPEAKER 03 :
We have 10-year-olds working on this broadcast. I don't think that's true. I'm going to go out on a limb.
SPEAKER 06 :
I started working on the show when I was probably, I was 97, so I was probably 11. Okay. So it's not possible. Sure. Different times. I was just trying to be complimentary to these young people in the studio. Phone lines are open. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. A lot of people are saying, Logan, start taking action. Quit talking about this. Well, we are. We actually have a big update also again. Again, this is not a rerun. We have even more of an update in the Planned Parenthood situation as there has been quite another big movement. We're going to talk about that. Coming up here. Phone lines, like you said, are open right now. Bill, I see you're on hold. You're an ACLJ champion. We're going to get to you first in the next segment. Because, Bill, I want to thank you. I want to thank everyone who's become ACLJ champions during this specific drive. Right now, we are just eight days away from the end of our ACLJ 35 years of justice drive. We urgently need your support. I want you to have your gifts doubled. You can do that right now. There's also some updates to what we're going to be doing in Syria. And I think you're going to find that pretty interesting. Rick Grinnell is going to be joining us a little bit later. You have asked for us to get involved. And we've been working really diligently on how to get involved in Syria. Obviously, it's a very complicated issue. It's not something you can just jump out and go, okay, here's what we're doing here. you know like you would a local bible club in minnesota no we gotta you know be really specific and get really uh into it if you're talking about working in those areas of the world but we can't do it without you we need your support to continue these fights we urgently need your support as i said have your gifts doubled that means there's another aclj supporter or a champion that's someone that gives monthly recurring like a membership fee of course you can cancel anytime that's at aclj.org when you become a champion today your first gift is doubled be right back Welcome back, Sekulow. Phone lines are open for you. 1-800-684-3110. Slogan Sekulow. Will Haynes joining me in studio. A little bit later, Rick Grinnell. former director of national intelligence, and just been a great ACLJ commentator and secular commentator for a number of years now, of course, special envoy currently in the Trump administration. I do want to quickly take a phone call right off the bat, because this is actually a topic that I know a lot of you are interested in, and I know we've talked about it before, but even the New York Times article I read on this story this morning had to tie in some of this as well. And Bill in Wyoming, who's an ACLJ champion, who's been on this show a lot, Because I always think of when I hear Bill from Wyoming, I don't know, you know. Bill Cody. Yeah, Bill Cody from Wyoming. Go ahead, Bill. You're on the air.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, thanks for taking my call. First of all, just input on who you might want to interview on your show. Maybe John Hine from OAN or even Thomas Sowell. All right, cool.
SPEAKER 06 :
We'll put them on the list of people maybe to reach out to. I appreciate that, Bill. Go ahead, though.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, okay. My thoughts are this business with Epstein and the files that's going on. Now, this is kind of a question or even a comment that maybe this is kind of a way of distracting from... The Russiagate with Obama and the deep state. Am I right or what?
SPEAKER 06 :
Will gets one called happy hands. And all of a sudden he's going, oh, go to me, go to me. So you're like the Hermione Granger here. Go ahead, Will.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Bill, it's interesting because the Democrats are saying that the the trump team is doing all this to distract from the epstein files while as the trump team is saying hey the democrats are trying to push the epstein files all of a sudden to distract from this so there is political games on both sides going on about this but here is what's interesting bill is that president obama would have been better off not issuing this statement because he is obviously trying to cover and say you know there's nothing new here nothing to see here people were asking for his statement. Right. But he says that nothing in the document issued last week undercuts the widely accepted conclusion that Russia worked to influence the 2016 presidential election. That's not what Tulsi is alleging here. Tulsi is showing through these documents that that was the intel community's assessment and And that going up all the way through the election, that Russia was attempting to influence through their bot armies, as well as they didn't have the capability to manipulate votes. That was the intel community's assessment the entire time. And then after President Trump got elected, President Obama... Calls a meeting in the White House and they change the story. Then all of a sudden it wasn't Russia's trying to sow discord in America and weaken the United States. It is that they were trying to get President Trump elected and they used the Steele dossier. So he's trying to reframe this entire thing back to the original intent, which is what the problem that Tulsi is showcasing is. They went away from that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oddly enough. President Obama's statement actually says what Tulsi Gabbard is saying with these documents. However, because they manipulate you in the way that they talk, and I mean that for all politicians, right, left, doesn't matter. It's never clear what they're saying. But what they're inferring, if you were to read that statement purely on knowing it's coming from the Obama group, you would read into it that he's talking about Russia influence specifically for the benefit of President Trump in 2016. Not a, they were just trying to, I don't think there's really a lot of people thinking that there was no Russia interference in the sense of like, Russia didn't have some sort of operations. By the way, I think most countries probably do.
SPEAKER 03 :
We talked about yesterday the United States funding NGOs under the Biden administration trying to influence the Israel election.
SPEAKER 06 :
That shouldn't shock anybody. But when the statement comes out, from barack obama and there what was it the obama the the office of former president barack obama whatever that means the office of former president barack obama uh and it's not clear but its intentions are clear its intentions are to make you believe that this is talking about uh president trump working with the trump administration or the trump campaign really working with putin and russia when really what they're saying there is that they just, everyone knew, and Marco Rubio even said, yeah, here's the documents, though, also saying that it would have been a benefit to Vladimir Putin for Hillary to win, and here's why, and also that it wasn't going to be this one, they were anticipating a Hillary Clinton win, which, by the way, so were almost everyone. If you remember, if you can flashback to 2016, we were sitting in not this studio, in our old studio, and my brother, My brother Jordan was the only person who said President Trump has got this in our room. Because the polls, that was when we still believed somewhat in the polls, the polls were showing a landslide victory for Hillary Clinton.
SPEAKER 03 :
And here's what was released today. So Tulsi Gabbard declassified, or President Trump would have the power to declassify, but put out this declassified House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. So the House Intel Committee did a report on, on the 2016 election and the intelligence, the underlying intelligence. That committee can go into the SCIF. They can look at all this when they're conducting their report in their oversight role of the executive branch. That's a part of the Constitution, what they're supposed to do. They did this, but this was a classified report because it dealt with classified intelligence, systems and methods, sources and methods, all of the things that we don't normally get to see. They've declassified this now. And this is a really interesting, this is right at the beginning of this report on the ICA, the Intelligence Community Assessment, and what they see. They point out some things that were in the report that would have had proper analytical trade craft and consistent with what the intelligence was telling them. Here are the three things that were consistent from the intelligence, but what shifted. one president putin ordered conventional and cyber influence operations notably leaking politically sensitive emails obtained from computer intrusions that's number one as you said logan we know that this was a thing we know that there was bot armies that there was a cyber influence campaign it wasn't changing votes it was trying to sow discord two Putin's principal motivations in these operations were to undermine faith in the U.S. democratic process and weaken what the Russians consider to be an inevitable Clinton presidency. This is what the intel community was gathering. That means they thought it was going to be Clinton. They wanted Russia to be stronger than America. So they were trying to already weaken America during the election process. And three, and this is the kicker. And this is why Chairman Grassley, Chuck Grassley from Iowa, the senator released that entire declassified Horowitz report, the annex to his report about the email investigation that basically said the FBI did nothing. They were hands off. They had they had these thumb drives. They didn't even look at them. Three, Putin held back leaking some compromising material for post-election use against the expected Clinton administration.
SPEAKER 06 :
Think about this. Okay, so let's hold on that topic and that release. So what you're saying is that they had potentially damning information to the Hillary Clinton campaign.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they decided to hold back that information. Assuming she was going to win and they were going to need some theoretical ammunition here and some blackmail they had. Again, if they were really looking for President Trump to win, you would have thrown everything you could. That's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
So what does it tell you? It tells you that Putin thought, I've got leverage over the United States president. If she wins, that goes a long way in sanctions negotiations, anything we can say, hey, you don't want us to release this. Or if they do, then America's crippled because they're going through some sort of impeachment, things like that. That's what the goal of Russia was, a weaker United States and a stronger Russia. So when all of a sudden this shifted is when President Obama called that meeting and said, hey, all you principals in here, CIA director, attorney general, we got to change the message. And that's what happened. Then they started relying on the discredited Steele dossier, which completely changed the narrative. There's even a quote that Tulsi released. Before you do that.
SPEAKER 06 :
because i saw this in the comments can you give us well 20 seconds on what the steel dossier was because again it's another one of those terms we use very flippantly and if you haven't been following for 10 years now you may not know what we're talking about so the steel dossier was a work product that the clinton campaign paid for you pay for opposition research you get people to dig up dirt on your political opponent unfortunately that's how the
SPEAKER 03 :
right world works so they had paid for this product from a former british spy christopher steele to create this dossier they got the dossier they got the dossier and by the way the clinton campaign never really used it because it was so incredible and then when they started to see incredible incredible like not credible not incredible right Well, that's what the word incredible means. When you're like, man, this is incredible. I'm making sure people understand. It was not creditable, but they paid this guy for it. And then all of a sudden that makes its way into the Intel community, which all the CIA, all the analysts said, this isn't credible. We shouldn't use it. They only started using it to try and tear down Trump after After he won. And as a matter of fact, the CIA was telling Brennan, don't use this work product. And this is a quote Tulsi released. He said he agreed that it didn't meet Intel standards. He said, yes, but doesn't it ring true? It just feels right. He's just vibing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Just vibing on the steel dossier. It just rings true, man. It just feels right. When you read it, you're like, yeah, I get it. I feel like he did this. Yeah. All right, how do you feel about that? Don't you want to respond? There's thousands of you watching right now. Some of you want to call in, but right now, none of you have. 1-800-684-3110. I'm looking at an empty bank of six phone calls. Will's got to leave me in the last segment, so you better call in, because I'm going to have no one to talk to at the end of this show. I'm just going to be rambling on. 1-800-684-3110 to call in. Of course, support the work of the ACLJ as you can right now as we start to wrap up 35 years of Justice Drive. Be right back. Oh, hey, phone lines are starting to fill up. Good. So when Will abandons me, I have someone else to talk to. Stay on hold. We're going to get to as many calls as we can. I did want to give you an update on some of the work of the ACLJ. The ACLJ, of course, we are celebrating the last week of our 35 years of Justice Drive. But there is work happening right now as we speak, and there is an update. Well, later on, by the way, in the show, Rick Riddell is going to join us. We're going to talk about how the ACLJ is going to get involved in Syria. And you may say that is an intense thing you guys are getting involved in. It is. We know you've asked for it, and we've spent a lot of time working on it. So we're going to talk about that coming up. But this is about Planned Parenthood, the whole defunding situation. Again, if you have not been following closely, part of the big beautiful bill was the defunding of Planned Parenthood. was some rogue judges a tro temporary restraining orders that went back and forth back and forth of will they still keep their funding they say they they deserve their funding and now we sort of land on this situation where as of yesterday it was 75 could remain defunded while 25 remained remained funded because those 25 didn't provide specifically abortion practices but here we are will with even yet another update
SPEAKER 03 :
This is something that we in some ways knew was coming. We didn't know how quickly, but the administration has already filed their notice of appeal to the district court, meaning they are taking up, they are appealing this preliminary injunction for that 25%, the 25%-ish that gets to continue receiving this funding. They are appealing that. to the U.S. Court of Appeals. We filed at the district court level, remembered, and now we are going to be filing at this appeal to try and once again tell the court that this isn't an entitlement for Planned Parenthood to receive this funding. But there's also, Logan, another case out of Maine. There is a clinic there that falls under the, they provide abortions and they receive over $800,000 in Medicaid reimbursements. So they fit the definition of what will no longer be funded under the Big Beautiful Bill, but they aren't Planned Parenthood. So this case didn't affect them at all. They have sued in Maine in district court, which will still be in the same circuit, the appeals court circuit, the first circuit, once it gets up there. But they have an interesting angle now because the Massachusetts court. Allowed other Planned Parenthood's with the same definition as this main clinic to remain Defunded they remain the law remains in place for them So they're now trying to get their funding back even though they meet the definition of the law They can't rely on that First Amendment freedom of association claim that the subset of Planned Parenthood's got the injunction on in Massachusetts in Maine They drew a judge in the district court that happens to be a Trump appointee. I think the only one in that district. So we'll see how that goes. But the ACLJ will be filing in that case in just days. So our attorneys are hard at work, writing briefs, filing briefs, and we will continue to fight this all the way to the Supreme Court if we need to.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and of course, that's been one of our key issues that we have been fighting for years and years. And you may think, hey, one of the big success stories, of course, was the overturning of Roe versus Wade. But it opened up a whole new gamut of life cases. The defunding of Planned Parenthood has always been one of those big issues. Look, here's what also really bothers me. If you support Planned Parenthood, put your money where your mouth is. Make your donation. I see a lot of people talking about the NPR and the PBS situation right now. And look, as someone who was raised on PBS, as someone that was raised listening to NPR, as someone who thinks they actually have some great kids programming. Some has gone too far recently, but my kids were raised on it, okay? Put your money where your mouth is. Be a supporter. That's what we talk about here. I'm not here asking for government funding. I'm not saying we demand government funding for our radio show, for our television show, for our streaming broadcast. For our legal work. For our legal work. That's not how it works. Support what you want to support. Why does the government have to be subsidizing this? Trust me, there are billionaires who love NPR, who love PBS. I wish there was more billionaires that loved what we do here. There's a few. This is where we're at. Support what you want to support. If you want to support Planned Parenthood, I don't believe you're right, but there's nothing stopping you. So for this kind of false narrative of we demand government funding, we deserve government funding, give me a break. Let people make the decision. Vote with their wallets. They can do that. You can support an organization that you believe in. That's what happens. Same with the Stephen Colbert situation. A lot of people were talking about that last night. I was watching some highlights from the Happy Gilmore 2 premiere. And a lot of people were saying, including Rob Schneider, who said, you know what? People did decide. They voted by not watching. Because the advertising dried up. And you know what? That's what happens when you alienate 50% of the country. With that being said, we have a ton of calls, and some are ACLJ champions. So I want to take one of those before we head into the end of the show, or end of this first half hour. Is that okay, Will? Yeah, go for it. All right, Carrie's calling in Montana. She's a champion. And by the way, when you're a champion, you tell our phone screener, we confirm it, you get bumped up to the front of the line. Just a fun little perk that I threw out there. Carrie, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 01 :
Hi, guys. Thank you so much. I was just wondering to ask you and Will, Logan, because Biden, I mean, yeah, Obama was also one of his responsibilities as commander-in-chief, which is military for our country. Would that have any perspective on the way they can crack a lot of this back with this Russia issue? Well, we know he committed treason. We know he committed a lot of crimes. But I was just wondering if that would have any bearing on the difference in the way we might get justice.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I'm going to say with you quoting that he committed treason and all that, that's actually probably quoting President Trump. It's not quoting me, but I think it's quoting people in pretty high positions. I don't know if the military side of this really can play into it. I mean, yes, sure, he is the commander in chief. But again, what you're really going to have to be running into, and again, keep your eyes Expectations in check. Keep your expectations in check. We just won the presidential immunity case. I mean, that just happened for President Trump. So there are consequences that come from things you even think are right. One of them is going to be directly Barack Obama. I really highly doubt you are going to see... Look, I'm not saying that you should be disappointed or excited, whatever. I don't even care. I'm saying... Keep your hopes in check. I don't think you're going to be seeing that happen. I just don't. I don't think you're going to see it for the country as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and Kerry, to your point, the president being subject to the Uniform Code of Justice in some sort of different way, I think that at one, it's a novel concept idea. But once again, the president is treated differently and held to a different standard than many Americans, most Americans, because he is the president of the United States. And as Logan just referenced, there was the Trump immunity case, which gave broad immunity for official acts and for official duties. One of the official duties of President Obama, you know who's going to be the biggest fan of that case? All of a sudden, Democrats, when they're like, wait, you can't go after President Obama because he called a meeting of principals, which is in the White House, which is among his official duties, which I think is a good cover.
SPEAKER 06 :
We bring it up a lot. You always have to remember the consequences of the actions, which if you're willing to take something like this Supreme Court, remember, it's not only going to affect you, President Trump. Remember, it's not going to only affect conservatives. It will affect liberals. And you have to understand that if they set the law, that is how the law is going to be interpreted. And that's how it's going to work. It's just the nature of the beast. And that should be how it is. People shouldn't have, there shouldn't be a double standard because of you're a conservative or you're a liberal. or you're an American Christian, or anything else. We have a baseline here, and that's okay. We talked about support and we need your support. We have 30 seconds left this half hour. We have a second half hour coming up. Some of your stations don't carry it. Go to ACLJ.org or find us later on. We're live also right now on YouTube and Rumble, many different places. And if you're catching this later, of course, the full show is available on demand right after the show ends each and every day from 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern time. But support the work of the ACLJ with just eight days left and our deadline of our 35 years of justice drives. Scan that QR code. Just go to ACLJ.org. This is our short break. Just one minute. We're coming right back.
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Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever. This is Seculo. And now your host, Logan Seculo.
SPEAKER 06 :
Phone lines are jammed right now, but they're going to open up at 1-800-684-3110. Welcome to Seculo. If you're just joining us for this second half hour, Will Haynes is in studio with me for this segment and the next segment. And the next segment. And then the last segment, he's got places to be. You leave me all the time in the final.
SPEAKER 03 :
All the time.
SPEAKER 06 :
What are you talking about? I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Okay. Okay. I like that all these people are on hold. So you stay on hold. Whether I can answer your question or not, I'll pretend. Okay? I'll do my best. So stay on hold if you're on hold right now. Michael, James, Don. People like hearing their names. Estelle, Justin, Jane. A lot of J names. Yeah. You know what? That happens. People like that.
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50%.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jordan. You're not a J name. Well, I'm talking about in the call queue. I know.
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50%.
SPEAKER 06 :
I got it. Quick math. Yeah. What's 35 plus 40?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, you're going to blame me for that when you said we had 10-year-olds working on the show. Well, you know, in their hearts.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Young at heart. Young at heart. Too young. Way too young at heart to be working. I don't think we allow that in this country. That being said, I digress. Let's talk about the topic at hand because some of you are just joining us right now and you're like, what am I listening to? That is right. Tulsi Gabbard, our friend, former colleague, current Director of National Intelligence. By the way, a former Director of National Intelligence will be joining us in the next segment. But the current Director of National Intelligence has to respond to President, former President Barack Obama saying, hey... This was all known. This was widely admitted. We know that Vladimir Putin got involved in the election. Even Marco Rubio says so. And of course, she's got to drop a bunch more documents saying, yes, but you are inferring something that is not accurate. And here we are, of course, Tulsi, Trump, both putting together saying words like treason. You know, again, those aren't my words. I don't know if I would have gone that far. I don't know if our country needs this right now. Purely, I didn't think we needed it during Trump. I don't know if we need it for Obama. I'm sick of the incredibly divisive language that's coming out of it. I was watching last night, this is obviously a tribute to Ozzy Osbourne who passed away yesterday. I watched him at the press gala and you have George W. Bush making all these jokes about Ozzy's lyrics and how his mom loves the lyrics and it's this great, silly, unifying moment and you look at that room and you realize that we are so far removed. Just 20 years later, 23 years later, it was in 2002. We are so far removed from any semblance of what that felt like, which was some sort of politics is politics, but unified beyond politics. And sadly, we're not there right now. So there are times when this kind of thing comes up and you start throwing around treason for Barack Obama, President Barack Obama, who, by the way, probably 50-50 shot you have Michelle Obama running for president. I don't know if this is the right timing. However, that doesn't stop the facts. The facts are there's a treasure trove of documents. that you got to give it up to Tulsi. She has said she was going to do these things, released all of the JFK files, released a bunch of documents for the MLK files yesterday. She is meeting her campaign promises, if you will.
SPEAKER 03 :
I do. And this leads up to that as well, Logan, is that when you dig into this new report that she released, that some of these reports that all of a sudden made its way after that meeting in the Oval Office with President Obama into their reporting when they changed their assessment was some of it were things that. CIA professionals had decided not to publish for various reasons having to do with tradecraft standards, the standards they have when gathering intelligence. Three of them. became foundational sources for their claim that Putin aspired to help Trump win. Of those three, they had not been reported because they were judged by the CIA to have not met various longstanding intelligent community standards for publication, and they had not been published when first acquired. Then the three reports all of a sudden were published after President Trump won on the orders of the director of the CIA, despite veteran CIA officers' judgments that they contained substandard information that was unclear, of uncertain origin, biased, implausible, or in the words of other senior officers, odd. The director of the CIA forced that after the meeting with Obama to try and smear and perpetrate this coup on President Trump's presidency.
SPEAKER 06 :
Phone lines are completely jammed. I'm going to ask you to please stay on hold. And while you're doing that, maybe you can surf on over to ACLJ.org and make your donation today. Really appreciate it. Rick Grinnell is going to be joining us in the next segment. Rick was former director of national intelligence. We're going to talk about how the ACLJ is getting involved in Syria and some of the really important information. Welcome back to Seculo. Rick Grinnell is joining us by phone. Rick, of course, former director of national intelligence, has been involved with the ACLJ and we've been doing for many years now. It's always on the show. You know, you never know where Rick is going to be, where he's calling from, what's he doing, what's he up to. But this will really is something that I know our audience has been talking about. And we've been talking about it internally quite a bit, which is we've seen sort of the information and the war and everything that's been going on, the violence in Syria. And people have been asking the ACLJ team as we are involved in a lot of different areas, whether it's through a European center or ACLJ Jerusalem and places we don't even talk about. They're saying, what can we do in Syria? Because, you know, they have the Druze community, which are a minority community that are being persecuted. Of course, you at least have to give Christians that are firmly under attack there as well, as well as just chaos that seems to be coming out of the region on a daily basis.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. And the Druze people, and this is a minority religion in Syria, as well as in the world. I mean, there's only about 2 million Druze worldwide. But Rick, what we're seeing is escalating violence and not just... Some people are trying to call it sectarian violence, but we're seeing executions, summary executions of people that are Druze. And in fact... One American from Oklahoma who is visiting family is now a victim of this violence. Can you give us kind of a rundown of what we're seeing, what's going on, and why we should be paying attention to this?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, first of all, I think this is an extremely complicated issue, and I'm so thankful that the ACLJ has experts in Europe, in New York, in the Middle East, and we're really watching this and we're able to respond. I was one of the first people, if not the first actually to highlight this Oklahoma, uh, resident, this American who was, uh, brutally gunned down and murdered in Syria. Um, I got all sorts of information early on from my friends in the region. Um, I've seen the videos of him being killed. It's horrific. It is brutal. It is akin to ISIS. And I think the Trump administration and our great US ambassador to Turkey, who is also the envoy in Syria, has been up all night trying to calm the situation, working with Israel. Remember, Israel just recently bombed in Damascus to try to protect some of these individuals. It's a complicated issue because of the sectarian violence of Syria, the long history of what's happening in Syria, where you've got a lot of different factions inside Syria who are trying to get power, and through power they use violence. And they just don't have the wherewithal right now or the ability to talk out their differences. They're literally just trying to kill for power. And that's where America and I would even go so far as to say, groups like ACLJ and others are doing a good job of pushing through this idea of talking and trying to use diplomacy. This is a country, the country of Syria, that President Trump has recently dropped the sanctions to give them an opportunity to say, can you move forward? They've kicked out the Iranians and now they're fighting within their own country for power. And the leader, the new leader, is not proving to be able to be effective at this point. And we have to be able to keep pressuring. I did see today that the Trump administration had announced that there was going to be a meeting with the Israelis to try to talk through some of these issues and get the Israelis to... to help as much as they can. But the brutality, ISIS style, vengeance and power grabbing that's happening inside Syria right now is very troubling. Christians have been targeted, but the latest has been the Druze, as you say. And I have to give a shout out to Congressman Abe Hamadeh from Arizona, who has been very vigilant in calling for calm and for diplomacy. Remember, Abe is somebody who has been very close with Kayla Mueller, the Christian missionary who was also brutalized and killed by ISIS. And Abe was sworn in on Kayla Mueller's Bible. And He was sworn into Congress with her parents standing with him. And his family is Druze, actually. He's an American congressman, but his family is Druze from Syria. His mother is from the area where this has all happened. And so he's been a great leader in Congress on this issue.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Rick, we've had Congressman Hamadeh on the broadcast in years past, and he's impressive and very strong and know that he will be an advocate in Congress for this. But as we look, we've mentioned the ACLJ. I know I'm reading emails right now. Our team is working on reports to the UN that we will be doing coming up on the situation with the Druze, as well as the Christian minority that are... facing this violence at this time, this persecution. This is something that ACLJ fights for around the world, both here with advocating to Congress, at the UN, and anywhere we can. When there is violence against people for their faith, we will stand against that. And Rick, as we look at this, and I know you talk, it's a complex situation. We know that Syria is now led by a former al Qaeda leader that has since sworn that off and is saying he wants to be a part of the global community. President Trump extending kind of that olive branch of saying we'll relieve sanctions. We'll see if you can if you can make good on these promises. We know that there are also reports this is government or this is not government, all of this fighting. What should we be looking for? How can the United States be a leader on this to try and squelch this violence to protect these minorities, but as well try to see Syria make good on those efforts and those promises?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the current leader of Syria is a guy named Ahmed al-Shara. And you're exactly right. Trump gave him an incredible gift, which was a second chance. Maybe we can call it a fifth chance. But we've given him the opportunity to turn the corner and to lead. He said all the right things, but so far he has not been able to produce. And I think this is What Tom Barak, our U.S. ambassador in Turkey, has been saying, which is you've been handed a golden opportunity. Don't blow it. So far, you haven't been able to lead in the proper way. We're seeing this killing. I think the Israelis lost their patience and are protecting this minority in ways that I think frustrates. other sectarian leaders inside Syria. It's a very complicated issue, but thank God we've got organizations like ACLJ that understands these issues, that's at the forefront of calming this down. And I just got to give a shout out to our team because You know, I think there's a biblical mandate to protect the vulnerable, regardless of what religion you are, whether you're Jewish, Christian, Druze, Muslim, Buddhist, it doesn't matter. what religion you are when it comes to the protection of civilians. And ACLJ is at the forefront of protecting people for religious liberties and protecting them when they're vulnerable. And this is a case in point. working hard to protect the Druze.
SPEAKER 06 :
When you have free speech and religious freedom as your two big things that you really support, of course, it doesn't just mean your freedom of speech. It doesn't always just mean your religious speech. And it's very different around the world. And I think you know that because you've been there. You've experienced it. A lot of people haven't. Look, I'm looking. When these numbers have been going up, people are watching. But the comments kind of slow down when we start talking about this because people are listening. They're having to get informed. We're having to sit there with our teams. Like I said, people have been talking about this, Rick, for a while of how can the ACLJ get involved in Syria. And I mean that internally as well as support from our listeners and our viewers because – We know these are complicated. And again, it's not the same as we can jump on a Minnesota Bible club that's getting shut down in a church. But we can still handle both at the same time. But they are very, very different. But again, I agree with you as well that this is something for the vulnerable, for the needy. We need to make sure we are always there for them, whether that's in our country or it's abroad. There are times when the ACLJ can extend beyond the borders of America and reach into these communities where it's needed.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, you know, you touched on something that is so good, Logan, because, you know, the First Amendment, the freedom of religion, means that you get to be free to choose your religion. We don't get to pick and choose. We certainly don't have a Constitution that says that you're only free to be a Christian. And I know this is, you know, I grew up evangelical, and I know this can be a dicey conversation, but when it comes to government protecting the Constitution and the freedom of religion... We have to be at the forefront of protecting that religion because it will come back to benefit us. by demanding that governments around the world allow people to choose their religion and to protect them to be free. I'll go so far as to say our missionaries, our Christian missionaries around the world, they want the protection of religion no matter where they are. And so this benefits us and it benefits the biblical mandate that we believe in.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, absolutely, Rick. Thank you so much for joining us. When we get back, we'll be taking your calls and comments. So you heard that. Give us a call. We got two lines open for you. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. Support the work of the ACLJ all around the world. Go to ACLJ.org right now. Make your donation doubled. Welcome back to Seculo. I do have two lines open for you, and no one in the studio with me. I'm so lonely. Will left. You know, this is what happens. You'll see what happens when I have eight minutes to my own devices. What's going to happen? We're going to take some phone calls. That's right. A lot of you have been on hold for a long time, and I appreciate that. Some of you are traditional terrestrial radio listeners. Some are YouTube viewers. If you are on our YouTube channel, I'm going to ask you real quick. 508,000 plus subscribers. Millions watch each week. Half of you that are watching right now may have never seen me before. We look at our numbers. We can see that 50% often aren't subscribed. So if you look for a way to support the ACLJ and support this kind of broadcast, maybe you're not ready or you can't right now make a financial donation. I understand it's a tough time for a lot of people. But a great free way to do it is just hit that subscribe button. Helps us get into your feed and more people's feeds. Let's go ahead and take some of these calls. We're going to first start off. Let's just go into order as they come in. I'll do my best to answer them. Estelle's calling from South Carolina. Again, listening on the radio. Estelle, welcome.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, guys. I forgot to tell them I'm a ACLJ champion. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. I would have got you. Thankfully, you got first anyway. So though you're on hold for a half an hour, I maybe would have tried to do it, but I really do appreciate it. Of course, Estelle, that means that she gives on a monthly recurring basis, which is great. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I just am so frustrated because all this stuff going on, all the Obama and Brenner stuff, Will there ever be any repercussions from all this, or is it just going to go floating in the wind somewhere?
SPEAKER 06 :
It is totally understandable you would feel that way. I'm not going to say I don't feel the same way. We have been through this. I've seen this movie before, as we've heard many times. Now, a little bit different here. You have an administration that is actually living up to some of their campaign promises. You have a Tulsi Gabbard who doesn't play politics in that sense, who is someone that was a Democrat, who ran against President Trump, but could see the corruption that was going on and joined forces. That does not happen very much in Washington, D.C. People hold grudges for a very long time. So it's a different world. That being said, do I think there's going to be a huge indictment of President Obama? I don't. Do I think there's other people that can be held accountable surrounding it? Yeah, possibly. That could happen. I just don't see it happening in this country. And I don't personally know if a decade later, if that's really the best mode. I know you're going to say, I see the comments are going to come in and say, Logan, they committed a crime. They got to do the time, all those kinds of things. But remember it's politics and you have to see through it and see clear. Also look to the future. What does it mean? What are the ramifications? What's the ramifications of presidential immunity? Here you go. Which by the way, I'm not saying I was against it, but you got to live with the consequences. Both goods go both ways. It's not just presidential immunity for the guy you like. But Estelle, I understand you feeling that way. I do think there could be some real investigations. There could be some real criminal activity or criminal prosecutions. But I do think to think it's going to get to the level of President Obama is maybe going a bit too far. But we'll see. You never know. It's an interesting team in that White House. Thanks for calling. Let's go to Justin now, who's calling from California. Justin, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, thanks for taking my call. You know, I think Democrats constantly claim that they're the party of moral and ethical superiority. Yet now, you know, thanks to Tulsi, this information has been uncovered. For the Obama administration, it's so disappointing, to say the least. But, you know, I think Democrats play dirty. We know this. And I just want to make sure that as Republicans... We spread the message that, you know, we're not going to do that. And I play dirty. That is. And I think our moral compass is the Constitution.
SPEAKER 06 :
Justin, I hope you're right. I encourage those who are watching and listening that are in the administration right now. And look, I know many of you do watch. I hear from some of them and I appreciate that. Listen, what Justin said, he wants you to be in there with your morals and your head on straight. not just playing politics, very hard in Washington, D.C. I don't like being in Washington, D.C. I don't care to be around the people there because typically it is very dark. But there's some light. There's some light. There's some good people there. He brought up he was very disappointed in President Obama. I typically say there was actually a pretty big difference between the Obama administration and the Biden administration. We worked with the Obama administration even when we disagreed with them. There are times we had meetings where our team got to meet with President Obama and his team. That did not happen at all. the biden years however now you look at this and you look at the information that was uncovered and you go well maybe it's just the same great speaker most people voted for him okay those were pretty much landslide elections you know most people were supportive of president obama uh we weren't necessarily one of them but that is where uh that's where we were so i understand the disappointment i'm going to continue on jane is calling uh in california jane go ahead
SPEAKER 04 :
Hi, friend. I love getting my news from you. And what I have to say is just a little bit tongue-in-cheek, and maybe Justin will want to hop on board. But after having been gaslit for 10 years about all of this stuff, And I just think it might be fair. And I'd like you to take my case. I think I have standing that you, the $40 million that was wasted on the Mueller report because they already knew the answers that we could use that to turn Obama's Martha's vineyard property into an Airbnb for all of those who were robbed of, you know, Trump hands were tied because of that stuff. And so just if we could have a little R&R at the Airbnb. Why not?
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, everyone wants to visit Martha's Vineyard. Why not? Look, I understand that this is tongue in cheek and I understand your thoughts about this. A lot of people, a lot of people sacrifice themselves. A lot of people went through the ringer during those years. And look, my family represented President Trump and everything, all the stuff that happened during all that situation. You have no idea the hours that were spent. You can only imagine what it was actually like. It's brutal. Beat a lot of people up. A lot of people didn't make it. A lot of people did. But a lot of people didn't make it because this is a, they say politics is a blood sport, and that's 100% true. So what I can say is that's very funny, and that would be nice. Everyone needs a little R&R. Pray for the people that are involved in this because it's darker and heavier than you can imagine. Let's go ahead, continue on. I got two minutes, three calls. I don't think I'm going to get to all three of you, but we'll get to as many as we can. Don's calling. Go ahead, Don.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, that's you. I had a real quick question about consent decrees. You know, here in L.A., that Mr. Trump's team is doing a great job trying to round up the legals. But LAPD is enjoined by the mayor, by the governor, everybody not to cooperate with us. And I remember Mr. Obama. Mentioning him during his administration, like things like Ferguson, for one example, he put police departments under consent decrees to make them do what he wanted. Can we use a similar mechanism to compel them to comply with federal law, comply with the authorities?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, a lot of times you think federal law would go above this. Look, I'm not a lawyer. I don't claim to be. I don't want to go into the details. But some of this is also what's going on, even in your own churches, what's going on in your own community. I watched a clip this morning of a church in California where the pastor, priest, I think it was pastor, was dressed like RoboCop. And the entire sermon was about how RoboCop was preaching against the police and how we need to remember what RoboCop was doing. And then he went on and talked about ICE. And I'm watching there going, man, I don't necessarily even disagree with all his points. But it's coming from a dude dressed like RoboCop. We got to change the way we talk about these things. But Don, thank you for calling. We'll try to pass that on. I only got 58 seconds. So unfortunately, I'm going to say thank you to Adam and Rhonda and ask if you want to call in tomorrow. Hopefully you guys weren't on hold for too long. If you want to call in tomorrow, we'll try to get you up first. Best I can do. Thanks for calling. That being said, it is the final week of our drive here. It is 35 days. years and remember i am about to be 40 years old i have worked on this organization with the aclj for the mass majority of my life if you got those original envelopes from us and newsletters there's a good chance this five-year-old was stuffing those envelopes to send to you we've been involved in this our entire lives and we hope to continue it for generations to come because we want to be there for you and be there for people all around the world. If you could have said it would gone from our kitchen table to now we're taking on cases in Syria, we would never imagine it, but God has blessed it. Go to aclj.org slash 35. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
The Crawford Roundtable team tackles the growing outrage over Russiagate and the potential for a treason charge against former President Obama. John, Bob, and Neil dissect the mounting evidence that the Steele Dossier was a hoax knowingly propagated by U.S. intelligence officials. They also discuss the ongoing drama surrounding the Epstein files, whether the MAGA base is chasing shadows, and what Trump's PR team should've done differently. Plus: Cringeworthy AI memes, legal double standards, and some light moon landing conspiracy banter.
SPEAKER 01 :
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Welcome to the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast. My name is Neal and I'm the host of Neal Boron Live, heard weekdays on WDCX Radio in Buffalo, New York. Every week we gather to talk about important issues that impact the church, impact our nation, impact the world. I'm joined as always again by my colleagues here, John Rush, host of Rush to Reason on KLZ in Denver, And the esteemed Bob Duco of the Bob Duco Show on WMUZ in Detroit. Interestingly, before we even start, I just want to mention this is recorded on Wednesday, July 23rd. This coming Sunday, which will be Sunday, July 27th, 2025, Bob will be the featured speaker at Church on the Beach, which happens. at Crystal Beach in Fort Erie, Ontario, Canada. Begins at 845 a.m. So any of you listening in southern Ontario who happen to catch this before Sunday, July 27th, come on out. You get a chance to meet Bob Duco in person. And frankly, it would be my first chance to meet him in person. I always talk to him here over. Yeah, I always talk to him over the Zoom thing or whatever we call this clean feed when we're doing the podcast. By the way, if you want details on that, it's churchonthebeach.ca. But we're looking forward to that, Bob. You know, there's a lot of folks in our listening audience that has been listening to you for years because of your program, Defending the Truth. And, you know, they hear you on a regular basis here on the podcast and not Defending the Truth. So, you know, John, pack your bags because you'll be next, but go ahead. Oh, there we go.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I look, I'm looking, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to seeing you, Neil, and everybody there. And it'll be a great time. Of course, You know, but the truth is, you know, I'm not steamed about it. I'm not really mad. I mean, you said, you know, the esteemed Bob Duco. So I'm not mad. I'm not angry or anything. I just want to make sure that we're clear on that. So I know how many people right now are going, is he being serious or did he not hear that it was esteemed?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Who knows exactly?
SPEAKER 03 :
Who knows?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. But it'll be a great opportunity to get together. And I've proposed long term that the Crawford Media Group ought to get all three of us together somewhere so that we can actually meet face to face. We may find out that John is better looking than we assume he is just because of the sound of his voice. Not.
SPEAKER 03 :
The old face for radio. You know, I know we all do speaking engagements at places, and I've got the same lame joke, but it gets a laugh every time. Whenever somebody says, oh, I'm glad to finally put a face with the voice, I always say, well, please keep listening anyway. And it always gets a laugh. Exactly. It's the same laugh. You know, I know my assistant is like rolling, you know, rolling her eyes off. There we go. Same old lame joke. I'm like, look, as long as it works with a new crowd, what do I care? So, you know, but I'm going to use it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm not I'm not attributing it to you, but I'm going to use it because I've gotten that one for years as well. And we all get it. No, I know. Well, today we're going to talk about what's in the news. And there's a lot of stuff in the news, but kind of narrowed it down to a couple of key topics. If we have time, we might get into some other things. But we will be talking about the Epstein files today, God willing. During the first part, though, I wanted to touch on this, you know, Obamagate thing. Russiagate is probably a better way to say it. But, you know, throughout the first Trump presidency, there was this idea that there was this Russia collusion thing. And individuals are trying to pin all that on Donald Trump, the Steele dossier. Those terms kind of ring a bell, I think, for most people. But the implication was that Donald Trump somehow colluded with Russia to win the election. And What's interesting is that most of this ramped up after he was already president of the United States, but it looked like an awful lot of effort was made to try to take him down in terms of public relations, certainly, but then to undermine his presidency by indicating that maybe somehow he'd been nefariously involved. with russia to get elected in the first place and there's a lot to unpack here i'm not sure we'll get to all of it but um let me just start with uh john first i don't know if you've been talking about this on your program so many different facets so many different angles but you know i mean this has gone as far as donald trump coming out essentially to say that that obama is guilty of treason and should be arrested um where are you at with this bring us up to speed from your perspective
SPEAKER 02 :
I feel like this is, you know, some of the other stuff we've talked about in the last couple of weeks in regards to Epstein and so on, which we may get to today as well. But to me, this is a bigger story, and this is the kind of stuff that, yes, I want to see more digging into what really went on, and I want to see what the DOJ has found and some of the documents that they have found that were suppressed back in those days, which is really what this amounts to, is, you know, and, you know... By definition, did Obama commit treason? I can't say right now whether he did or didn't, but it's sure pointing to the fact that he did. Now, with all that being said, would I approve of him going on trial or past president being on trial? I mean, I think there'd have to be some really solid damning evidence there for me to get on board with that. I want to see as many of his minions and others that would be involved in this thing, you know, really brought to light. I want the American people to see what that presidency and by the way, I think Joe Biden and his presidency had some things to do with this as well. And I want to see as much of this uncovered as possible. To me, this is a much bigger story than Epstein.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
I think we all should take it very seriously. I do believe that this is – when you think about the size and the scope of how big of a scandal this is, and you've got the mainstream press and you've got the Democrats trying to downplay this as some kind of nothing burger or political revenge or whatever. Don't fall for the feeble Jedi mind tricks of these aren't the droids you're looking for. OK, this isn't that big of a deal. Yes, absolutely. It is. You have, first of all, the opposing candidate, Hillary Clinton and her campaign. We know that they manufactured – they're the ones who actually originated the creation of this Russia collusion hoax to distract attention away from her email server scandal. And so she's the one who paid millions of dollars of campaign finance money to pay for this debunked Russian dossier to falsely claim that Trump was colluding with the Russians, our geopolitical enemy, by the way. And if I can say on a side note, she also listed those millions of dollars as legal expenses, not campaign funds, even though she used campaign funds to pay for them. Way different than Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels for a legal nondisclosure agreement where he didn't use campaign funds. He used his own money. Big difference. But anyway, so to me, the troubling thing that we're really seeing here with the Tulsi Gabbard release is that. Barack Obama's intelligence minions, these people, Clapper and Brennan and Comey, they knew this is the problem. This is the really, the smoking gun here, that we now know that they knew from their own intelligence assessments that this was not credible, this was not plausible, that this, in other words, was a fake thing. There was no Russia collusion. And they decided to go ahead and run with it anyway. They decided to go ahead and pour gasoline into the engine of the investigations from the FBI, from the House, from the Senate, the Mueller investigation, all of this. This was an effort to literally unseat a duly elected president of the United States through a manufactured, made-up scandal that he colluded with one of our foreign enemies. And I look at this, this is a thousand times bigger than Watergate itself. ever was if this were the other way around. I would just encourage everybody, if you're talking to one of your Democrat voting friends, just ask them, what would your reaction be if Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and Kash Patel, okay, and Donald Trump's own intelligence agencies, what if they in 2028 took whoever the Democrat nominee was and made up, manufactured, and pushed a hoax story that isn't true, but used the United States government and intelligence agencies to make the claim that it's true to push this kind of investigation in an effort to derail that person's campaign. And if they get elected, to try to derail their presidency. That's third world banana republic attempted coup kind of stuff. And it actually happened in real life here in America. This is a major scandal. No matter how many times the media says, these aren't the droids you're looking for. You know, no, this is huge.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I agree. It's unbelievable. If, you know, these documents are made public. And by the way, I always wonder, like, if somebody could find a document that says, oh, yeah, we know it's false, but let's go ahead and push it anyway. And it appears like there are some of those. That's what we're being told.
SPEAKER 03 :
But they do have some of that. Not the word false. Okay. But we recognize this is not credible, not plausible. Okay. So their own intelligence assessments are. In investigating this, it showed that this is not a credible accusation. And they just decided to treat it like it's credible anyway. Oh, and while we're at it, spy on the Trump campaign through Carter Page. Come on. Tap wire. Even CNN finally admitted that they did, in fact, tap the phones of the Trump team.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. So, and what I'm saying here is that, I mean, this is a side point. It's just crossed my mind in all of this that if that was going on, and they know what was going on because they were participating in it. They were the ones creating these documents that are now, you know, Tulsi Gabbard's looking at them and indicating that more than 100 pages of records that show that Obama's national security officials, you know, tried to purport that this was somehow real when they knew it wasn't um okay why don't these conversations happen on a park bench with two guys with trench coats sunglasses and fedoras sit down talk to each other and walk away why in the world would you put this in writing if it could come out you know during the next administration from whoever, you know, if your Democrats are in power, then you worry that the Republicans are going to get a hold of this or vice versa. I don't know why they put this stuff in writing, but... Arrogance. Yeah, but talk about exoneration. I mean, if we get a chance to really see this up close and personal, if all of this checks out, it looks like it's going to, it's a tremendous scandal. And John, I don't know if this... would change the minds and hearts of the american people to look at donald trump somewhat differently because all along he said it's a hoax and i got to believe that some people are like oh right yeah it's a hoax okay but good lord this would be complete exoneration hard left will never change as we talk about all the time they are you know they're literally
SPEAKER 02 :
uh, brainwashed and they, they're going to believe a certain way, no matter what, no matter what you show them, no matter what you can, you know, try to convince them of their, they're not going to change their minds, but that middle in which anymore, depending upon what state you're in, you know, here in Colorado, our middle is over 50% of, of all of our voting. And in other words, uh, there's, you, you can't win Democrat or Republican in this state. You cannot win without them being on your side. So in those cases, Neil, yeah, I do think there's folks in the middle, uh, you know, that, that, uh, you know, unaffiliated is what we call them here, that unaffiliated voter. I do think there are some in the middle that they look at some of this and say, gosh, well, I guess that, you know, Donald Trump wasn't so wrong after all. And a lot of the things that he was being accused of just in fact, aren't true. In fact, the opposite is true. You know, the people that were pointing fingers at him had three pointing back at them. And the reality is that's the case. And that's why I said earlier, I want to see more and more of this uncovered and really get down to it and let the American people see this stuff firsthand. So that to your point, they can make some of these decisions for themselves.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, John. And Bob, if I'm not mistaken, over 22 months, this went on and on, this idea that, you know, Donald Trump had colluded with the Russians, that he was in bed with Vladimir Putin somehow about all of this, and that he used, you know, these kind of connections to somehow get elected fraudulently. $40 million was spent on investigations, and they knew, I mean, at least the allegations are here, that they knew that this was false from the beginning. That's what Donald Trump was saying. Media, of course, didn't believe him, the mainstream legacy media. i mean that in itself is a crime i mean just the idea that that people continued to purport lies when they knew it wasn't true spend american taxpayer dollars and waste all this time when we as the american people generally speaking sit back and think well these elected officials are taking care of government business and they're operating in our best interest this was a direct attack on the president of the united states go ahead
SPEAKER 03 :
In an effort to unravel and undo a duly elected president. Correct. I mean, in any other country, we would call this a coup. Look, a coup is not always just a bunch of armed militia people storming a presidential palace, okay? You do have political coups also. And this is exactly the kind of thing that you would expect – okay, Vladimir Putin – he has, quote unquote, elections. All right. Well, you know what? This is the kind of thing that wouldn't surprise me to see Vladimir Putin and his KGB do to try to undermine or throw out of power somebody who may have beat him in an election in the future sometime. You expect stuff like this in China or in Iran or in North Korea. You don't expect stuff like this in the United States. And if we're not going to take this seriously, it's a new day in America. America can never again claim any kind of moral high ground when it comes to election integrity, rule of law, things like that with third world countries around the world. We have to clean up our own act and acknowledge that these Democrats tried to unseat a duly elected president using the United States intelligence agencies as a weapon to try to destroy him and undermine his presidency. That is so massive. Compare that to Watergate and a couple of knuckleheads, kudos to John, that sneak into the hotel room of the Democratic National Headquarters to try to take a peek at what the Democrats are planning strategically. That's wrong. I'm not defending that, okay? But that and that's Watergate in the history books for all time. This makes Watergate look like a grain of sand on Church of the Beach. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 02 :
yeah john no i agree with bob i mean you you look at what happened in a you know sitting president having to resign you know back when we were kids basically watching a lot of that stuff on the news i remember coming home in the evenings and that would be you know there wasn't that many channels to watch and you know what several of them would be dedicated to the you know to the proceedings that were happening regarding watergate and now looking back on what actually happened there compared to what happens in politics today this one you know this one in particular Yeah, we should all be apologizing. I know he's passed. We should all be apologizing to Richard Nixon.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll see how it all plays out. But I wanted John, let me ask you this first and I'll throw it to Bob. But I got to get your opinion on Donald Trump posts a video on true social media. And it has about a dozen Democratic leaders, Democrat leaders say no one's above the law. They've all said it right. And it was always talking about Trump with all these indictments against him and so forth, none of which stuck, none of which came to any fruition. No one's above the law. No one's above the law. And then an AI generated clip of Obama being arrested in the Oval Office as the song YMCA plays in the background. OK, just got to get some reaction on that.
SPEAKER 02 :
I mean, would I do that? No. But is that something Donald Trump does and is known for? That's Donald Trump. I mean, love him or not, like him or not. That's just his personality and what he does. And in you know, I will say this in his defense, knowing everything that he has gone through in regards to what the left has thrown at him, having his own home raided and so on. Can you blame him?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Well, no, you can't on that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, go ahead, Bob. No, I agree. I think people tend to forget exactly what he has been dragged through. Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 02 :
I mean, for the last 10 years, his wife's underwear drawer being gone through, mind you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, exactly. I mean, his house raided, him being falsely accused of being in a treasonous espionage kind of relationship with Vladimir Putin, the Ukraine phone call, him being accused of a quid pro quo. when it turns out that it was actually Joe Biden that engaged in a real quid pro quo with Ukraine, threatening to withhold a billion dollars that didn't fire the prosecutor that was investigating Burisma that was paying millions of dollars to Hunter Biden with 10 percent going to the big guy, Joe Biden. I mean, my goodness. And just to look at that, to look at Adam Schiff, who headed up the Impeachment hearings in the House in this. This very same Adam Schiff, who now it turns out that he committed mortgage fraud, it appears, by claiming the Maryland residents as his primary residents for better interest rates. You know, we got to remember, this is the same guy. This is the same Adam Schiff. He was the ranking member, the highest ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee. So he had access to intelligence information. Adam Schiff used to go on CNN and MSNBC and claim, look, I have access to the intelligence. I have seen the intelligence and the top secret reports that show that Donald Trump did collude with the Russians. But I can't talk about it because that's classified. But I've seen it. Trust me, the evidence is there. We now know he was lying and he knew he was lying at the time. And this guy's a United States senator now out in California. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Makes you wonder what you can believe, if you can believe anything at all about what goes on in Washington. And particularly whenever, you know, people like Adam Schiff open their mouth, they begin to have, they're leaving a legacy of being untrustworthy and liars, bottom line liars. I want to ask you, Bob, if you don't mind to talk about our sponsor Preborn while we still have time here.
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You're listening to the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast and grateful to have you with us. My name is Neil Boron, host of Neil Boron Live on WDCX Radio in Buffalo, New York. Happened to mention during the first half that Bob Duco, one of our colleagues here on the roundtable, host of the Bob Duco Show on WM Museum Detroit, will be a featured speaker this weekend. in Fort Erie, Ontario, Canada. For especially all of you listening in Southern Ontario, and those of you in Western New York that come over across the bridge for Church on the Beach each week at Crystal Beach in Fort Erie, Ontario, you get a chance to meet and see Bob Duco, hear him speak. He's going to be sharing his testimony. He'll have some of his apologetics materials with him. You'll get a chance to spend some time with Bob Duco. Sunday morning, 845 at crystal beach in fort erie ontario and if you've never heard of church on the beach just go to church on the beach dot ca you'll get details and times and directions and all of it but it begins early 8 45 a.m that's bob duco and then over there closer you know to the west coast is john rush host of rush to reason we're grateful that he hasn't gone that far left he's just in colorado right now he hasn't made it to california yet He's the host of Rush to Reason on KLZ in Denver. Guys, I want to talk a bit about the Epstein files. In fact, I'm interested to hear what you have to say because I want to learn your perspective on this. Boy, we've been around the block a couple of times on this. We've talked about it several times here on the roundtable. But the implication was that this guy, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, who was an accountant, I guess, by trade, was kind of a big wig hobnobbing with important people, politicians and dignitaries from all over the world. But that he and his sidekick, Elaine Maxwell, were actually involved in. some pretty bad stuff, including potentially human trafficking. We certainly know young girls were involved. He's got a private island. There's so many details we can talk about. But in some cases, apparently, individuals went to that island to get massages from underage girls. And, you know, this represents criminal activity. Who went there? Who he knew? How many people were involved? There's speculation about all that, but some people say it's well over 100. Most have thought there's some kind of a list. We certainly know something is absolutely wrong about the situation. When you talk about abusing underage kids, you got my attention immediately. It's something we need to take very seriously. But on top of that, you know, just... There may have been people who hobnob with Jeffrey Epstein that were not responsible for any kind of criminal activity. Who was? Who wasn't? How did Jeffrey Epstein die? We're led to believe that somehow he committed suicide in his jail cell, but there's a lot of speculation about the fact that maybe he was murdered. There's questions about all this. And this is the kind of stuff that, you know, sleuths love, but on top of it, conspiracy theorists. And like... The question has been, can we see the files? Will you release the files? And there was early indication that all the information about Jeffrey Epstein would be made public. Then all of a sudden, the Trump administration reverses course and says, nope, nothing to see here. We're not going to release the files. Now it appears some of the files will be released. i don't know about the pr whoever's handling the pr thing on this i think it's creating a lot of confusion but this is a huge story as well and it's obviously created a great deal of turmoil for the trump administration so let me jump in first with john again i'm sure you've discussed this on your show i don't know that i did a great job setting it up but the point is this is a real mess and i My feeling is that releasing as much information as you can is really the only remedy to get people to stop talking. But even though we know things about the JFK assassination, the MLK assassination, even the things we know have only led to more speculation. So I don't know if you ever really shut down the conversation about what exactly happened with Jeffrey Epstein. But the real push right now, even from some people in Trump's MAGA base, is Show us. We want to see for ourselves. We're not going to believe what you say. Show us the materials. John, this is a mess. Talk about it from your perspective.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and for all those that are going to talk about this in my program, to the point where I've decided we're not talking about it anymore because we've actually done it to the point that I'm just not going to do it any longer. There's other things that are more important, in my opinion, to talk about. All that being said, Neil, A, some of those that are on the hard right, some of the hardcore MAGA supporters are wishing for something that, frankly, I don't think is there. I don't think there's a list. I've talked about that before here and on my program. So for all of you out there that are thinking there's some sort of Epstein list, I don't believe that there is because had there been, trust me, and if there had been really important, especially Republican names like Donald Trump on that list, that thing would have been released prior to the last election and they would have done everything they possibly could. I mean, you got to remember things we talked about even in the first half of this podcast in regards to Trump, the things that the left did to attack him. Trust me. If there was something in any of the Epstein files that would have implicated Donald Trump or anybody even close to Donald Trump, trust me, that stuff would have already been out there. I think that, you know, the biggest mistake, and I've said this before, that I think Trump made in all of this is and I love the guy dearly, but. He gets amped up by his own supporters, and that's great. The problem is that he feeds that amping up of those supporters. And in some cases, some of that amping up are things that quite honestly may not be exactly what they think they are, but they still get all amped up over it. I mean, people have to remember the Epstein story. Not just the files, but what he did and what he was going to be, you know, on what he was actually on trial for is what I should say, you know, happened between 2002 and 2005, I believe. So it's it's two decades ago plus that we're talking about here. And the reality is, again, they may release some things in the grand jury indictment, you know, in the grand jury investigation things, which, by the way, you know, they always say, you know, you could indict a ham sandwich with a grand jury. So even that doesn't necessarily happen. You don't mean a whole lot when it's all said and done. Point being, I again, I think we should move on. The hardcore MAGA supporters are wishing for something that frankly isn't there. They're looking for a smoking gun that will take the left down. And the reality is this isn't it.
SPEAKER 04 :
OK, interesting perspective. Bob, what about you?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I'm actually with John on this. I look at it very much the same way. And to me, a big issue is that we got to remember if Donald Trump or any MAGA people or right wing people, Republicans, if they were on some mythical list. Who was in possession of the so-called client list on the Epstein files for the last four years? It was the Democrats. You don't think that they went through that with a fine-tooth comb looking for anything that they could implicate Donald Trump with? Of course they did. And nothing was played from that in the 2024 election, in the 2020 election. That tells me the Democrats, when they had control of these files, couldn't find anything to play.
SPEAKER 02 :
Really quick, Bob, to jump in. They had control of these files from 2008 on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And eight years of Barack Obama.
SPEAKER 02 :
This isn't something that just happened, folks.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. And so in 2015, when Trump announced that he was running, and then especially in 2016 when he started becoming the frontrunner, guess what? They had those files. They already had them for eight years at that point. There's no way in the world that they wouldn't have played any kind of anti-Donald Trump card in there. But, yeah, look, I'm with you, John. I think we need to move on from this. It really is a distraction to the most important things going on right now. Jeffrey Epstein got what's coming to him. Maxwell is in prison. This was a sick, evil thing that they were doing. And this guy was an ultra-rich billionaire financier that was hobnobbing with everybody that's anybody and who's whose lists. And so if you're a politician, if you're whatever, of course there's pictures of him and Jeffrey Epstein together at big swanky parties just like there's pictures with Epstein and Bill Clinton and whoever else and Hollywood celebrities as well.
SPEAKER 02 :
Really quick, Bob.
SPEAKER 03 :
That doesn't mean that Trump was involved in any of this prostitution stuff. What?
SPEAKER 02 :
Really quick, Bob, just like when you guys are talking about an event that you're going to be having at Church on the Beach here coming up this weekend. I do remotes and things like that all the time. Listeners come up. They want pictures. They want things done, things along those lines. Sure, there's lots of people that I've had pictures with that I have no idea who these people actually are. But if something ever came out where these were some really bad people and my picture's with them, does that really mean anything at the end of the day? Given the circumstances, no, it doesn't.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it doesn't. But in all fairness, though, an anti-Trumper would say, yeah, but Jeffrey Epstein isn't some obscure guy you'd never heard of who asking for a picture. He was a known financier and these guys hobnobbed with each other.
SPEAKER 02 :
And got thrown out of Mar-a-Lago, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. And that's another thing that the media doesn't talk about, that when all this started uncovering with Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump ended their friendship, broke ties and banned him from Mar-a-Lago. And that was before there was any kind of big explosion of, hey, the Epstein files is Trump on the list.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm thinking about the guy that asked for a selfie with Bob on Sunday at Church on the Beach. And then a couple of years from now, somebody's like, you knew Bob Duco?
SPEAKER 03 :
Like I was a serial killer. Hey, pal, I'll dig up the pictures of you and that guy at a previous speaking engagement of yours. Somehow, someway. You want to go to war? Yeah, exactly.
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Thank you, Bob. And thanks to our sponsors. Again, Crawford Media Group dot net is where you can find all of this. So we're talking about the Jeffrey Epstein thing, the Epstein files, whatever you want to call it. But it's created a lot of confusion. And I don't disagree with what you guys were saying earlier. But let me be the devil's advocate by raising a couple of the things that I think some of our listeners are thinking. OK, number one, if no crimes were committed, if this is all just, you know. yeah stuff happened but it wasn't important let's move along there's nothing to see here folks you know why is glaine maxwell in prison for 20 years what's what's that about secondarily if there's nothing there just release the stuff and and you know guys like kash patel and dan bongino in the fbi patel's the fbi director bongino's the assistant director use this to kind of get to where they're at politically speaking talking tough saying we're going to get to the bottom of in other words We want to drain the swamp completely and fully. If there's something nefarious to be seen in any place, we're going to shed light on it. We're going to let you know what's going on. Pam Bondi says, oh, the you know, she was asked about this whole thing. The Epstein files. Well, they're on my desk implying I'm going to look at those things and we're going to do something about it. But then I mean, picture the teenager, you know, he's got friends over and there's a huge crash in his room. Parents are like, what was that? They run to the door. open the door kid opens it you know one inch and goes nothing to see here mom and dad no nothing happened we're all good nothing to see well what's that do to mom and dad mom and dad like wait what are you hiding well when you all of a sudden say we're going to pull it back we're not going to release anything now you've got speculation running rampant which is why i'm wondering who's handling pr on this if if there's nothing to worry about so A lot of people are asking these kind of questions, and I would love to find out how you guys are responding. Bob, maybe we'll start with you this time, but I'm sure you've talked about this on your program. What's your response to that kind of stuff?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I... My best guess is – and it's just speculation, right? But when you have somebody like Jeffrey Epstein who was the financier with all this money and all these connections and a lot of money and a lot of deep pockets that he could donate to people's campaigns and hobnobbing with celebrities and everything else and politicians, the Epstein files probably – list a whole bunch of different names, not a quote-unquote client list, but just the files probably include a whole bunch of people that's attended his parties, that's been to his island, that's flown on his jet, things like that, okay? Everybody that's been associated with him. Well, the problem is a huge percentage of all of those people are probably perfectly innocent, and it's nothing more than, hey, you know, there's a rich guy that I don't run in his circles, but you know what? I show up at his event because I want to tap into his donor base and whatever. And so the associations thing here, I think it's very plausible That Pam Bondi and Donald Trump or any of the rest of them are like, wow, this opens up such a massive can of worms. There's going to be a whole bunch of people, yes, on the left, but also on the right that are going to get smeared with a guilt by association. And all the headlines are going to be is look at Ted Cruz and Donald Trump and whatever conservatives we can find or Republicans we can find. The media is only going to hyper focus on them personally. with any kind of loose connection that they had to Jeffrey Epstein and turn it into something bigger than it is? Do we really want to open up this can of worms like crazy? It's going to get distorted. And so there's a difference between somebody who's an actual client who's going to the island for the purpose of having procured for them some underage girl versus somebody who's merely part of his circle of association because he's a rich guy with deep pockets. And I think everybody gets swept up in that. And I think it's very plausible that they're like, let's just not give a bunch of fodder to the media because they'll hyper focus on this for the next three and a half years of Trump's presidency when the focus should be other places.
SPEAKER 04 :
I see what you're saying. And I, again, don't disagree with you, but I want to jump in for a second and say, you know, Prince Andrew was taken down over this thing. He's now looked at as a pedophile because as you mentioned, there were underage girls involved here. That's statutory rape. That means crimes were committed. And if you've got law enforcement, you know, like the FBI and DOJ and others sort of turning a blind eye to the fact that crimes were committed, Doesn't anybody want to get to the bottom of who these abusers were? And I think obviously you can't release everything in every file because if there are names of underage girls or women that were abused somehow, they have a right to privacy, but they also have a right to justice. And somebody needs to say, well, look it. This may affect Senator so-and-so or entertainer somebody or other. Their lives may be deeply affected by word getting out that they were somehow involved in this. But what about the girls that were abused? That's an issue that will not go away.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let me address that real quick, and we've got to get John in on this too, okay? Alan Dershowitz, who is the longtime Democrat Harvard University law professor emeritus, okay, and a Hillary Clinton supporter and blah, blah, blah. He says, look, he was Jeffrey Epstein's attorney. And he's coming out, Dershowitz, and declaring, look, I have seen – I knew everything that was involved. And I know the players that are involved here. And I can tell you right now that there is nobody that is currently an elected officeholder that is part of any of the kind of, you know, bad stuff that you're talking about here, OK? There's no smoking gun for anybody that's an officeholder, and that would certainly include Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 02 :
Some of the people are even dead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And so I don't think that Pam Bondi is saying, hey, if we got somebody that we know was engaged in sex with an underage girl, we're just going to give them a pass. No, I think they would absolutely go after those people, but they go after those people individually and not as part of some big sweeping. OK, let's give the media something to hyper focus on for the next three and a half years and twist into something bigger than it is in an effort to try to take down Trump.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, really quick, Neil, the other thing you have to remember, and listeners have to remember this as well, and Bob talked about it earlier, look at their chain of command on evidence, and the reality is how would you even prove through all of these years, again, He was originally arrested back in 2008. So for all of you that are listening, I think people forget that they all think for some odd reason this just happened a year or two ago. And the reality is this is two decades plus ago, and now you're going to go through and spend all the manpower necessary to – Look at chain of command and who had this document and was this document altered and on and on and on we go. Honestly, there's better things for us as a country to do that we can spend my tax dollars on. And I will tell you right now as a taxpayer, I don't want it spent on that.
SPEAKER 03 :
And what do the files look like after the majority of the time it was spent in Democrat hands? How much have they sanitized it? How much have they turned it into Swiss cheeses? I'll bet you those pages are a bunch of Swiss cheese pages that the Democrats in their 12 combined years of being in control of that, those files, their 12 combined years out of 12 out of 16 years, Democrats were in control of those files.
SPEAKER 02 :
And so the problem is Trump played into and he has a habit of doing this. He played into what supporters wanted, what they were screaming and yelling about. He fed that. He fanned the flame, if you would. And in the end, there's really nothing there. And I'm with Neil on this one. The PR side of this hasn't done well. They didn't do that correctly. They should have handled that much differently. Same thing, Bob, you and I complain about all the time. The messaging stinks. And the reality is that is one thing. And I love Donald Trump dearly, but if there's anything I could be critical of is that fact right there.
SPEAKER 04 :
so he said now and i forget the word i think he said to pam bondi all right go ahead release all the pertinent files there was a word he used maybe you know it could be a different word but the point is if it's meaningful release it um so now is he creating a monster because any information is going to be gobbled up by people that want to hurt donald trump and the trump administration or or others who feel that additional information is being withheld i i don't see it going well If you said you're not going to release anything, maybe stick with that and move along. I don't know if he's just afraid of losing his MAGA base over that and how that could affect the mid. Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
I'll just say it. I don't care. I'll get hate mail on this. I really don't care. They're cray cray. They're crazy. These are people that don't know reality sometimes, and they've got to look at things differently and understand that winning is the most important thing we can do moving forward. And the way they look at it doesn't allow us to.
SPEAKER 04 :
What percentage of MAGA supporters across the board are big fans of Bob Duco? I just don't care. Cray cray. Not much of me. I can tell you that one. Just remember, John said cray cray before I did. That's incredible. I mean, the whole thing's a mess. It's just a mess. And I don't know. I don't know that it's ever going to happen.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I mean this seriously. On the same token, it's those hardcore on the far right that are creating the mess. They are the ones that have created this. And I will blame them for this all day long. Yes, Donald Trump shouldn't have played into that hand and probably should have handled things much differently than he did. But they're the ones that are still screaming for blood. It's them you have to blame, no one else.
SPEAKER 04 :
I've been shocked. We're not getting into this, but I've been shocked myself. I mean, I grew up in the 60s watching the so-called moon landing. Right. But how much evidence is coming out or at least questions people are asking now that look really plausible. And like I thought the moon landing was 100 percent true. Now, I'm not so sure. But the point is.
SPEAKER 02 :
Really? yeah it's true wow it's 100 you've got one of the one of the most well-known christian astronauts that was the first man to walk on charlie duke the guy was as dedicated i interviewed him i talked to charlie duke i know yeah so i mean at the end of the day If he wasn't there, do you think he would have allowed that to go on as long as it did?
SPEAKER 04 :
My point is, we can't get into this because we're running out of time, but you've got the big moon rover thing they were driving around in this truck or this little thing, whatever it is, that supposedly fit inside the lunar module and stuff. The point is, people are now asking credible questions like, how come my cell phone service isn't as good as the audio that they had when they were 90 million miles away from Earth?
SPEAKER 02 :
Because cell phone works off of terrain and that was going to space. There's nothing in between it.
SPEAKER 04 :
But, John, I'm only saying that questions create common sense, people. Yeah. All right. So we're going to talk about some of these things in the days ahead. But we are grateful for each and every one of our sponsors. And let me talk briefly here about SunPower LED. Photobiomodulation just means light therapy. And we know that sound waves have power. You've ever sat in the front row at a, you know, Black Sabbath concert before you knew Jesus. You probably felt that.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we've got all kinds of stuff to talk about in the days ahead. Thanks to our sponsors, John Rush, host of Rush to Reason, Bob Duco, The Bob Duco Show. Thank you for joining us. My name's Neil Boran, and hopefully we'll see you next time on the National Crawford Roundtable.
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Join us as we delve into the debate between alcohol and marijuana. Our hosts engage in a vibrant dialogue about legality, societal norms, and personal freedoms, exploring the parallels and differences between alcohol consumption and THC usage. This episode also ventures into political territory, questioning the opacity surrounding the Epstein files and political transparency. Expect laughter and candid moments as the story unfolds, revealing the humanity behind the headlines.
SPEAKER 01 :
They had him seated, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
He was in a giant... He was in a chair, and he released a little statement with some production, as he said, I'm so sorry to be sitting here tied to this chair, you know, but that's what enables me to sing and be in good voice. I mean, there are all kinds of people who can stand up, but can't sing anymore. Ozzy was seated and did that library the great honor that it deserved with his original bandmates for more than 50 years. You know, we missed one yesterday, and this... Malcolm Jamal Warner, Theo from Cosby Show.
SPEAKER 01 :
No, I talked about it on my show. You and I didn't talk about it.
SPEAKER 03 :
You and me.
SPEAKER 01 :
He posted, speaking of last messages, he had a video clip of Instagram where he was in his car driving in Atlanta before he and his family went on vacation to Costa Rica where he ultimately drowned evidently. So I hear. Terrible tragedy. But his message, Mark, was, hey, smile. Life is lifin'. Let's get out there and live. I thought, wow, it was just chilling that this young man in his 50s. What a terrible, terrible tragedy.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he said he just smiled. I don't know if he's driving and Instagramming at the same time. Probably shouldn't do that. But but he said, listen, find a way to make somebody or find a reason to smile, finding every day there is a reason to smile. And if you look real hard at your day and you can't find a reason to smile, maybe it's time for you to be somebody else's reason to smile.
SPEAKER 01 :
It's like. Did you actually just nag him? Did you actually just nag the late Malcolm Jamal Warner because he was texting and driving? Yes. You are such a Karen. Sorry, sorry. You and this THC stuff. I'll tell you what, dude. What does it feel like to know that your audience is in mass revolt over you and this THC stuff?
SPEAKER 03 :
The silent majority knows I'm right. Before we leave famous passings. Before we leave famous passings, Malcolm Jamal Warner and Ozzie now has a lot of people looking for, have we ever discussed this? The trifecta. Oh, I know. The concept that people die in threes. This is 1,000% false. It is a concoction. People don't die in pairs. They don't die in fives. They don't die in threes. You can draw a circle around any two, any seven. Actually, trifecta already happened if you count Connie Francis not so long ago. But that's just a complete... Well, we'll count three.
SPEAKER 01 :
We'll count your professional career if you keep going on raging against... adults getting the choice to smoke marijuana if they want to.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mike Gallagher thinks that more intoxicants are a good idea in society.
SPEAKER 01 :
Please share with me about that. Well, first of all, let's agree that you walk through Manhattan right now and you get overwhelmed by the stench of marijuana. It is everywhere. Because now it's legal in New York and you can smoke it on the street corners. That's where this is all going. It's unpleasant. It's wrong. But for... I'm really intrigued, and I think I've evolved on this. I used to be right where you are. Like, we don't need one more intoxicant. Oh, you've evolved, so I'm a Neanderthal. Go ahead. Well, I don't think you're a Neanderthal, but I'll bet you at least had a glass of wine last night.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure did. It's legal. It's woven through. Well, not last night. It's woven through. Alcohol is. People abuse alcohol. I get it. Alcohol exists. Not everybody drinking alcohol is looking to get drunk. Everybody using THC products is looking to get high. So alcohol exists. Another question is, what are we going to do?
SPEAKER 01 :
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let's unpack that. Everybody wanting to use THC wants to get high?
SPEAKER 03 :
Recreationally. I've always put aside the notion of valid medical purposes. We need to find ways to get veterans and suffering people with whatever, what they need in a legal way without these stupid shops that are there to get your teenager high, and that's it. But please tell me why you think this is good. I'm...
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I mean, your words mean something here, and your verbiage is interesting. So if you have a glass or two of wine, you're kind of buzzed. You're not really drunk, but you're kind of buzzed. If you have one joint or you smoke one pipe, are you... You say, hi, are you incapacitated or are you just a little buzzed like you would be for a glass of wine?
SPEAKER 03 :
Precisely right. So do we need more – so alcohol exists. We stipulate that's not going anywhere. We tried. That didn't work.
SPEAKER 01 :
And you practice it, right? Oh, absolutely. You engage. Okay. Wow. Well, no, no. I mean that – I think there's a point there because I'm a – for example – Here's the irony. I'm a teetotaler. Like, I don't drink at all. And so I'm sitting here thinking, if you're a 50-year-old man and you want to have a marijuana cigarette at night before you go to bed, I got Mark Davis saying, no, no, no, no, you can't do that. While Mark has a glass of wine with his lovely wife.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here's a bad comparison. Here's a flawed comparison.
SPEAKER 01 :
Apples to apples.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here's the admittedly flawed comparison, but it's meant to point out the flaw in the logic you're bringing. Is it possible for someone to be an adult and high-functioning and have a cocaine habit? Of course it is.
SPEAKER 01 :
I've known people. Absolutely. You just compared marijuana to cocaine?
SPEAKER 03 :
Not at all. I've said three times I wasn't. But using the let adults do what they want argument, you can't argue against letting high-functioning cocaine people just do that because, hey, it's grown-ups doing what they want to do.
SPEAKER 01 :
But the apples to apples issue. your glass of wine and your neighbor's marijuana cigarette. That's apples to apples.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly it is.
SPEAKER 01 :
So you want to nag the guy next door to you saying you're not allowed to have that marijuana because I'm up on my high moral horse here, but I'm going to have as many glasses of wine as I want with my wife.
SPEAKER 03 :
Come on, Mark. I don't want to make it about the person, about the individual user. I want to make it about society in the following way. Alcohol exists. We know that. So is it a good idea or a bad idea to have more intoxicants legal? I say it's a bad idea. Mike Gallagher says it's a good idea.
SPEAKER 01 :
And if you were to be consistent, if I'm going to follow the Mark Davis logic, if I'm going to follow the Mark Davis consistency test, you ought to be saying we ought to go back to prohibition. But that's impossible.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that's that's obviously not possible. It's not going to work. Alcohol is woven through the entire history of humanity. It's biblical for crying out loud. And it's not you talk about not being apples and apples.
SPEAKER 01 :
Alcohol is from the ground. Marijuana is from the earth. Yes, it is. Plants. That's that's biblical. So it's Leviticus. Oh, yeah. Sure it is. But I think there's a pragmatic approach to this, and this is where you and I probably differ, because the pragmatism of me says it's also impossible to push back against adults who want to have the right to have access to marijuana.
SPEAKER 03 :
What do you mean it's impossible to push back? You get less of what you make illegal. You get more of what you make legal. You get less of what you make illegal. Having weed illegal, having THC illegal is better for society.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, my heart kind of agrees with you. My head says it's not realistic. And I think we're definitely, you're definitely in the minority on this, Mark. And I'm sort of, I'm somebody who pays close attention to the audience. I'm also really intrigued. I'm listening to the audience about Epstein right now. And I'm listening to the audience about Trump. Is that going away? This is important stuff right now because I'm confused. Help me understand the declaration of an early recess so that they can't take a vote on releasing the Epstein files. I know. I talked to Anna Polina Luna last week, and she said, look, she's terrific, and she said, all I'm about is transparency. Yep. All I'm about is transparency. Okay, so wait a minute. So they were facing a vote to release the Epstein files, and Speaker Johnson shut it down? Can you help me understand this, Mark? Make it make sense.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it's time. Their answer would probably be time for the recess. It's not.
SPEAKER 01 :
They recessed early.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they found a way to get out of town and avoid this vote. And it doesn't look good. And by the way, when I say it doesn't look good, I don't mean, well, that must mean the list does exist and members of Congress are on it. Please don't give the tinfoil hat people more material. But generally speaking, I obviously completely agree with you on this.
SPEAKER 01 :
All right. What is the, what ostensibly?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what the problem is? Okay. So when we say release stuff. What do we mean? You can't release everything.
SPEAKER 01 :
We're going to redact victims, obviously. Right, and redact victims, and there are also parts of this testimony and the grand jury proceedings that have been sealed by the courts, but then release everything else. I mean, are there bad guys?
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you know what's in there? You know what's in every file about everybody? If you had one, if I had one, if Joe Blow had one. Accusations made by people that are stone cold false. False accusations maliciously made.
SPEAKER 01 :
I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
We're going to release those?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, what's transparency? How do you define transparency? We both agree that Annapurna is great. And I asked her the question. She said she was very coy about it because she doesn't want to get on Trump's bad side. None of us do. But ultimately, and he's frustrated because look at this Axios piece this morning. There was a big three-part article about how in winning, Trump seems to be losing. And by that, they say, and it's a fairly balanced perspective. Like it or not, poll after poll after poll after poll shows his popularity among, now only two categories here, admittedly, young people and independents is plummeting. His approval with Republicans is fine. He's fine with rock-ribbed Republicans. But with independents, which, by the way, we need independents and young people for the midterms, Mark.
SPEAKER 03 :
That is correct.
SPEAKER 01 :
So why is his popularity dropping among independents and young people?
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. And I think, you know, too, it's because some of those folks, some of those young people in independence aren't exactly the most literate, plugged into news people in the world. All they hear is a media culture that is berating and slamming him every day, making paying attention to immigration look like evil, making support for Israel look like evil. And a bunch of dunderheads hear that coverage, that drumbeat every day and go, oh, maybe Trump's not as good as I thought. There's where you get your polls.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, hello. I lost you. I'm right here. Where'd you go? I'm right here. Where'd you go? I lost you. I am right here. This should be fun.
SPEAKER 01 :
I don't think it's my headset.
SPEAKER 02 :
I'm going to stay with this.
SPEAKER 01 :
This is fun. We're 60 seconds away from being done. Did my thing fall out? This is great. I think I've slumped over. Hang on a second. Don't panic.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm not. We're going to stay with you. Mike is struggling to put his earpiece back in.
SPEAKER 01 :
My thing fell right out of my head.
SPEAKER 03 :
This could be the best segment ever. How do you not know that something falls out of your ear? Are you back now? Have you lost sensation in your ear? How do you not know your IFB fell out? Have I lost sensation in my ear?
SPEAKER 01 :
That was incredible. It was the clip behind me. They got this thing. You got clipped on the back of your coat for Salem News Channel.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the IFB is in your ear. The thing fell out of your ear.
SPEAKER 01 :
But the part from the back clips in. Oh, I get you.
SPEAKER 03 :
So the thing was still in your ear, but the connection had been broken.
SPEAKER 01 :
The ear didn't. It was either that or I was having a massive stroke.
SPEAKER 03 :
Would you enable me to finish an eloquent, magnificent, tie a bow around its sentence and then be met with a layout for the ages as you just kind of looked like a deer in the headlights, not reacting at all. I thought, good, is he having a stroke?
SPEAKER 01 :
I know, I know, I know. Now I got the wires hanging out all over the place. I'll never recreate that. I can't, I'm done. No, I'm sorry. I'm good, though. I'm not coming home yet. Mama, I'm not coming home yet. I'm still here. I'm still standing. I love you. By the way, one text message that will put a smile on your face from North Texas. Legal THC is a bad idea, and this is not a minority opinion. So there you go. Thank you. Tell your family to stop texting me.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, indeed, Uncle Fred, leave Mike alone.
SPEAKER 01 :
Call him at 10 when his show is on. I love you, man.
SPEAKER 03 :
You got it. Love you. Take care. That's when Mike is there, ready for you, ready for all of us, 10 o'clock, as soon as we wrap up here.
In this episode of Rush to Reason, dive into the complexities of economic policy and the factors influencing the current housing market slump. Host John Rush unpacks the recent tax reforms that have provided significant relief for businesses and individuals alike, offering a much-needed boost to the economy. Special guest Phil Kerpen discusses the impact of federal decisions on everyday Americans and the potential solutions for the ongoing housing crisis. Listeners can gain valuable insights into the interplay between federal policy and personal finance. From understanding the benefits of accelerated depreciation for businesses to exploring the role of the Federal Reserve in shaping the housing market, this episode offers a comprehensive look at the challenges and opportunities lying ahead. Join us as we dissect these critical issues and explore paths to economic resilience. Explore the nuances of real estate taxation and its implications on both small and large scale investments. As John Rush and Phil Kerpen engage in thought-provoking discussions, discover how strategic reforms can transform personal finance landscapes, ensuring greater economic efficiency and growth. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in financial strategy and economic trends.
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All right, hour three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Been a busy day so far. Wednesdays typically are, by the way, halfway through the week for most of you. A hump day, as most call it. And we do health and wellness, of course. For those of you maybe that don't listen, we do health and wellness for the first hour or so. on Wednesdays, and then Richard Battle joins us. We talk some politics, do some things along those lines. And then typically in this last hour, I try to put as many things in. Scott Garlis normally joins us at 530, and I try to put as many things in on the financial end of things as I can. It doesn't always work out quite that way, but I do try to make Wednesdays that way because I feel like the health and wellness ends of things is the start. We then have Richard Battle follow up. We do some leadership things and some things along those lines and, you know, political stuff as well. And then the last hour, I try to talk about the financial end of things, because to me, that's part of the health and wellness end of things. Not that we do health and wellness all three hours, but I do try to incorporate as many things along those lines as we possibly can. So anyways, I appreciate each and every one of you that join us and the questions that come in and the text line. And I will say that when I'm by myself, like on days like today, if i don't get back to you quickly on the text line just know that i may read it scan it and i'll get back to you as quickly as i can doesn't always work that way but i do my very best and you may only get a you know one word two word answer and That's why. So it's not because I haven't read it or I'm not paying attention. I do my best to do that while I'm on air. But when I'm by myself and I'm trying to talk and type and do all these things at one time, it does make it a little bit more difficult in that way. So the bridge to nowhere. Governor Polis, people that voted on the – we talked about this last week. I gave out the website where you could go and you could vote and so on, give comment on. Overwhelmingly, 90-plus percent people that responded said, heck no. We don't want that. And thankfully, that's the case. So the bridge to nowhere has been canceled. In fact, Polis said that he would chain himself to the Capitol to make sure that that doesn't move forward. And I'll talk about that here once we're done with Phil Kirpin. Phil, welcome. What's going on today, sir?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I will just tell you the one bad thing about all the lockdowns and the COVID craziness being over is that the traffic in Washington, D.C. is so out of control now. You cannot get anywhere without spending an hour in the car. So that's the downside of getting all these federal workers back in the office if you live here like I do.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, same thing. What's going on here? Same thing here. No, I can attest to exactly the same thing. I was telling somebody the other day that during COVID, I could pretty much drive where I wanted to in a matter of minutes.
SPEAKER 03 :
It was the best. Yeah, now it's not. I'll tell you even the craziest thing. D.C. actually suspended all parking enforcement for like a few months during COVID. Wow. So I could just park wherever I wanted. That was nice. That was insane.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right, talk to us. Speaking of all that, speaking of the economy and the big, beautiful bill and some of the things that have happened and even some of the results that we've seen happen on tariffs, we saw a deal made with Japan. Talk to us about the economy, where we're at, and what's going on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, we've got a lot of positives right now. I think the big, beautiful bill lifted the biggest fear and uncertainty that had been hanging over the economy, which was the possibility of a massive tax hike coming at the end of this year. And I think a lot of people expected we were going to spend most of the year figuring out what was going to happen on tax. And instead, the president and the speaker made good on what they said they were going to do, and they cleared it by July 4th. So I think there's a big sigh of relief from everyone in business in this country that not only They're not going to be a big tax cut coming at the end of the year, but we got a pretty significant tax cut in a lot of ways out of that bill as well, especially for capital investment. And the capital expenditure provisions, 100% depreciation, first-year write-off for equipment and software, now for qualified production facilities as well. For the first time, we're going to have structures that are subject to accelerated bonus depreciation. Huge, huh?
SPEAKER 10 :
And you want to stop for a moment there, Phil, because one thing I haven't really covered much on the program, but that's huge for all of you listening. And most would know this, but some Phil won't. And the reason why that's such a big deal is when you're looking at, you know, even if you're a foreign entity and you're looking at bringing a plant here or you're looking at. You're an American company and you want your General Motors and you want to bring a factory back here from wherever, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, wherever it happens to be. The ability to take that infrastructure that you're building internally and be able to have that depreciation in that particular year and help that out against your taxes, your tax burden, I should say, that is huge.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's massive. And in fact, you know, we talk a lot about how the tax cuts were going to expire at the end of this year. And that was true for most of them. But the expensing provisions had already started to expire. That's right. That's right. They're ticking down already. So we're only at 40 percent bonus. That's right. Until this passed. But the thing that was so smart about what they did is every version of this bill, as it was moving forward, said they were going to bring back expensing retroactive to January 19th, retroactive to when Trump came back into office. And so I think we actually saw a lot of capital expenditures pick up even in anticipation of the bill passing because companies are like, I'm going to be able to write this off by the time we do our taxes. And in fact, they were right. And if you look at what's happened this year, capital expenditures are up pretty substantially. And that's really important because capital investment... raises productivity. And you need to have productivity growth to have wage growth. People need to be able to produce more if you're going to pay them more. And so it's really positive. And in fact, we now, real weekly earnings, median real weekly earnings just now in the latest data released from the Bureau of Labor Statistics are back where they were at the peak during the previous Trump term. So we have now gotten out of the hole that we were in because of Biden's inflation and weak economy. And now finally, The average, the median worker, they're making as much in real terms, inflation adjusted as much as they were before Biden. So it took a long time to dig out of that hole. But, you know, in another sense, it kind of didn't take that long. Trump's been in six months and, you know, we're back to very positive economic outlook, I think. And, you know, the regulatory policy has been outstanding as well. The energy policy has been outstanding. The big is kind of remaining piece of the puzzle is the trade front. And so as we see these deals come together, we may be able to resolve that one also.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and last but not least, and I don't know where you stand on this, but the Fed, in my opinion, to get housing back up and going against the one piece of the puzzle with everything you've said, spot on, agree with everything. The one thing, though, that we've got to get back on track is the housing end of things. It's in a slump right now, and until the Fed decides to do something, and before somebody texts me or emails me and tells me that short-term rates don't affect mortgages, True, not directly, but they do as time goes by. So please don't send me that. I know how all of that works, structurally speaking. I also know that when the Fed lowers rates, mortgage rates will follow. Maybe not directly that day, but they will follow, Phil. And right now it's stagnant.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I think we've got to have some restraint on federal spending, because I think a lot of the reasons that the long-term interest rates have stayed stubbornly high, even last year when the Fed cut short-term rates, long-term rates didn't really budge. A lot of that's just the expectation that inflation's going to come back, because people look at the federal budget outlook, and they just assume there's going to be a lot of money printing when we try to meet all these obligations. So I'd like to see Congress do a lot more on spending. I do think we're going to have a very different Fed next year when there's a new chair there, and I hope that I hope they take the view that the job of the Fed is just to have a stable and predictable growth of the money supply and let the market determine everything else. I think that's the right approach, and that's where I'd like to see them go. Now, all of that said, I think that the best idea that I've heard recently for dealing with this housing situation is to reform the capital gains tax. And the president floated this idea of making primary residences totally exempt. I actually prefer... uh... ted cruz's idea which is to put an inflation adjustment in the basis for capital gains on all assets and so if you sell stock you sell a home you sell any other kind of property you shouldn't pay tax on the total nominal increase in price if a lot of that was inflation true you should only pay tax on the inflation adjustment increase if there is any and i think if we can do that and i'm hoping that'll be the centerpiece of the next reconciliation bill i mean that's such a good idea if we could do that you're going to have a lot more housing inventory come onto the market because you're going to have a lot of houses where people can sell with much less of a tax bite than they're looking at right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Phil, I'll tell you, the other thing that that would do as well, I think, and this is a whole side note that most people don't ever think about, but you talk about businesses and small businesses and they may have the opportunity to own the building that their business is in. And part of the holdback of that is you get an owner that bought that building 30 years ago. The basis is now – they've written almost all of it off. It's a 39-year depreciation. They've written the majority of that off. The reality is there's not much basis left. They're going to pay huge capital gains because of what you're talking about. If, on the other hand, they could do what you're talking about, they may be more incentivized to sell. This person now gets another opportunity. They get to buy the building their business is in. It makes them more stable. They get to have some upside. All of that could also happen with what you're talking about.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it's such a good point. There's a lot of commercial real estate in this country that's been held not just through the Biden inflation bulge, but even going all the way back to Carter. And if you bought property before the dollar was totally debated, if you bought property before Nixon closed the gold window, The nominal increase is insane, but the purchasing power that you got out of it, it's not that big because so much of that was inflationary. And so if we took that into account, starting with Reagan, we took this into account on regular income tax. That's why the brackets adjust every year to take account of inflation. But we never do the same thing for capital gain. And so this is really important. It is.
SPEAKER 10 :
And for really quick, for those of you listening that might not be tracking with me what that does. And, Phil, you know where I'm going with this. For those people that have been holding those buildings for that long, in some cases maybe even passed down generationally where the families owned it for 20, 30, 40, 50 years even, when you've got the ability now to step up that basis and not have that huge capital gain tax bill, meaning you now can cash out, if you would, Take that money because right now the only way to cash out is 1031 exchange it, meaning you're just going to another property. So the money never really, quote unquote, goes back into the economy the way you're talking. And if they did that, some of that capital would come back out and go back into the economy or right now it's sitting.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think it would be a huge boom for reallocating capital, be more efficient, big productivity, big economic growth booster. So I like that the administration is talking about it. A lot of people say that maybe they should try to do it through a Treasury regulation or an IRS ruling or something like that. I say do it the right way. Do it the right way. Yeah, I'm with you. So we don't have litigation. Absolutely. That's how I would try to do it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. Phil, how do folks find you?
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AmericanCommitment.org is the website, and I'm on X. It's my last name, at Kerpen, K-E-R-P-E-N.
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Phil, as always, I appreciate you very much. Thanks for joining us. All right. Have a good one. Have a great night. Appreciate you. Flesh Law coming up next, 303-806-8886.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. We are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Bill and Lakewood, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 06 :
I need your opinion. Yeah, go ahead. I'm getting different steps to put on my truck. Oh. Is there a market for the old ones?
SPEAKER 10 :
Facebook Marketplace, if you're lucky, but I'll tell you, Bill, probably not much of one. I hate to say that, but probably not much of one.
SPEAKER 06 :
You should set up a little corner on your website.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, man. Yeah, I'll tell you, though. It's hard because I do some selling of used stuff, all the stuff I've gone through with my dad and his estate and so on. I have done. My wife has done plenty of selling in the last year, and I will tell you, Bill, it literally becomes a full-time job, and it's a pain in the rear.
SPEAKER 06 :
And who wants to deal with people?
SPEAKER 10 :
That's the problem. It's not the listing of or getting the item, you know, pictures taken and all of that. That's the easy part. I'm sorry. It's the dealing with people that's a pain in the rear.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, the steps, they look brand new, the ones that are on it. It's just that my knees can't handle the step up, you know.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's killing me. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the steps that drop down, you know. Right. At least... It's either that or get rid of the car, you know?
SPEAKER 10 :
And is it a ZR2? It's 70. It's a Z71? Yeah, 71, yeah. Okay. You know what? If you've got room, what you might do is just keep them so when you go to sell the truck someday, the person could put the original steps back on it, but that becomes a room issue.
SPEAKER 06 :
Small work for my wife.
SPEAKER 10 :
I might be dead. Well, and I hear you on that one as well, Bill. I mean, I'm going through some of my own stuff thinking that down the road, I don't want my kids to have to go through all this junk.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, see, I'll call you on Saturday again, but I'm thinking this is the last truck. See, I'm thinking, you know, my 94, I think it's time to get rid of that, too. It is.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's overdue. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it makes somebody a good work truck. Yes, it would.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, call me Saturday. We'll have people listening that might be able to piece that together. So, Bill, have a great rest of your day. Appreciate you as well. And, yeah, folks, I'm sorry. I mean, that was a Saturday call. But I will tell you this. The Facebook Marketplace thing, that does apply, financially speaking, even as we try to do a lot of financial things during this hour. Yeah, the listing of things, getting them on Marketplace, that's the easy part. My wife will tell you that. That's the piece of cake part. And I'm sorry to say this, but it's the dealing with the people, the knuckleheads, that's what becomes the issue. You know, all of the different messages that come back and forth and, you know, are they still available? And will you take this? And it's a pain in the neck. And I wish there was an easier way to do things, but there isn't. So, yeah, for those of you that are looking to sell anything used, and it doesn't have to be car parts, it could be literally anything. There are things on Marketplace that it's like a giant flea market. on Facebook. What they should have called it was Facebook flea market is what they really should have called it instead of marketplace because that's really what it is. But you can literally buy anything and everything there. So anyways, at the end of the day, if you want to use it, use it. Just remember that it is a pain in the neck dealing with people. The people make it hard, not Facebook. I'm not criticizing Facebook at all. That part's easy. It's the people you deal with that actually make it difficult. Now, I will also say this. And occasionally, you get somebody that's just super nice. And I've met some of those folks. In fact, I'm dealing with some of them on a routine basis, some of the stuff that I've sold from my dad's estate. I've met some really, really great people, and it's been really nice to meet them, and it's nice to know that there's still some people out there that are like that. I want to be careful and not be super critical because, yes, there are some really good, nice people that you end up meeting that you end up basically making some nice bonds with, and I mean that sincerely. They're really, really great people at the end of the day. So I don't want to make it sound like they're all bad. The biggest issue is you have to cycle through them to find the good ones. Dan, you're next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
So Marketplace is a joke. I put a boat on Marketplace this year. and the first within an hour at somebody I I listed at twenty-five hundred to make it I'll give you a thousand bucks so I had all these people so I finally put on the Adam like you must be physically present in order to make an offer no lowball offers and I still had people make me offers Wow so what what I'm probably gonna end up doing is it's a little small 14-foot fishing boat I'm going to next year probably run it out to Missouri. I got friends in Macon and that's kind of the area that the fishing pole would be good. I'm going to put it in a consignment place and just get it sold that way. And I'll probably do the same. I've got a short bed truck. My dad gave me his 2019 Chevy Silverado long bed and the Right. By the way, I think you're bringing up a great point, Dan, by the way, which we should share with everybody. And this is like trying to sell a four-wheel drive.
SPEAKER 10 :
In Florida or Arizona, if you're going to sell a four-wheel drive, you bring it to Colorado and sell it because it'll bring a higher price. To your point, you're going to sell a boat. This is not a boating area. I'm sorry. We don't have enough water in Colorado to hardly own a boat, and I know boat owners are going to be mad at me for saying that, but the reality, Dan, is we don't have that much water, meaning if you want to get a better price for a boat, go somewhere where there's water.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and I have boats, and the thing is these people on Marketplace don't understand the value of a boat. I was selling it with With the trolling motor, the fish finder, the batteries, basically all you had to do is you buy it, license it, and you could put it on the lake the same day. Nice. And they don't understand the value of what it is. I mean, it's an old boat, but by the time you buy a new trolling motor, fish finder, and everything else, you're talking $800 at least in accessories plus the batteries, plus the you know, the life jackets and all the other gear that you have to have with them. So you're talking $1,000 alone in the accessories, and the boat is a solid boat. It doesn't leak. It's an old motor, but it runs good.
SPEAKER 10 :
By the way, that's a good thing when the boat doesn't leak.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. It had a leak, and I fixed it, and you know how I fixed it?
SPEAKER 09 :
What?
SPEAKER 05 :
I took it to the dock.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, good one, Dan, good one, good one.
SPEAKER 05 :
So anyways, Marketplace is a joke if you're trying to sell anything bigger than furniture or clothes or shoes. It's not even worth it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and even on the car thing, I've sold a few cars off of it, and even it, you have to be really wise. Maybe that's the best way for me to say that, Dan. Wise on the different things that you're doing and the people that you're talking to. That's a great topic. I might actually throw that into a Saturday show, by the way, and talk about some of that, because I haven't done that for a while, and more and more people keep using it. And And, again, as I said, there's some really good people on there. There's some really flaky people. And you have to know how to decipher one from another.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and it's just I got tired of it, so I took it off. Like I said, I'm going to run it out to Missouri or Kansas where there's a whole lot more water, little lakes. This boat would be perfect for us. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
probably get it sold next year cool cool so awesome that was my two no i appreciate that dan thank you you know my wife's texting me as well saying yep there's a lot of flakes there's also some really good people you got to cycle through those and find you know find them and that's not always easy to do and i will give some tips i will do that i'm putting that in my notes i'll talk about that i know we're going to be on remote out at the red lion car show uh this this coming saturday so feel free to stop by and say hi by the way i would i would appreciate meeting all of you if you're out in the area feel free to come on by and say hi and we would enjoy that uh i will talk about some of this because that's one of those topics that i'll have a little extra time on a remote to do so and it's one of those where you really kind of have to know what you're doing so you don't get taken advantage of because there's a lot of scammers i'm going to talk about some of those potentially after we talk to scott garless here in a moment but a lot of scammers out there that you want to avoid as well roof savers of colorado coming up next and dave wants to help you with all of your roof needs commercial residential it doesn't matter what it is he's there to help he can put an entire roof on your place and work through your insurance company in doing so on the same token he can extend the life of your current roof And depending upon the insurance company, either keep that insurance or lessen its cost by doing so. Talk to Dave on how all that works today. 303-710-6916.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We've got a couple of segments left. Scott Garlis joining us now. Scott, welcome. How are you today, sir? Hey, John, I'm well. How are you? Always good. Always good to hear from you as well. And we saw some big news came out today about the tariffs and the deal with Japan and so on. And it's not just even, Scott, a tariff deal. It's a tariff with some reciprocal agreements and some investment in the U.S. I mean, it's actually a bigger deal than I think most people realize.
SPEAKER 07 :
It completely is. And you hit the nail on the head. What's really interesting about this deal is the investment part of it. So Japan is going to start an investment fund that puts $550 billion worth of new money to work in the United States. And I say that new money, that's what the administration is saying, because That means it's not money that's already working on projects that are here. This is money that hasn't previously been put to work. So that's a big deal, and that's a big deal for the U.S. economy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that's a half a trillion dollars.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's a half a trillion dollars, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
And really quick, Scott, too, I think this is the thing that – I'm sorry to say it doesn't get talked about by even a lot of the – how should I say this? The news publications that should understand this, it doesn't get talked about enough because I don't know what the multiplier of that $550 billion is, but I've got to believe the multiplier is probably – two to four times that amount, meaning that that could easily be a couple trillion dollars when it's all said and done. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 07 :
Totally. When you add up the jobs that are created just directly to those projects and then the ancillary jobs that are created, money that's constructing whatever factories they're going to build, and then the restaurants associated, delivery drivers, pizza drivers, you name it. It just it starts to add up in a lot of different ways in terms of spending production. It's yeah, these these are all good things for the U.S. economy. And so that's it didn't get covered because I feel like this is a very positive outcome of this negotiation. I agree.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 07 :
I cover that.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, why give President Trump any kudos? And that's why they didn't cover it. That's my feeling, Scott. I think you're 100 percent correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I mean, the bulk of what we see on the TV is people want to focus on the most negative things because it's just, I don't know why, it's just what they want to do. And this is a really positive thing. And then the other part of it is by doing this, Japan apparently came to the U.S. with this idea because they wanted to get the tariff rates down. And in particular, Trump had said 25% tariff rate on your cars. Well, by doing this, they got it down to 15%. And this is better than what was originally proposed on April 2nd. So that's a good deal for Japan. It's a good deal for the U.S. You know, the other side of this equation is, you know, I think we've had a big game of chicken going on with a bunch of these countries. I think the U.K. was first elite. They got a 10% baseline tariff rate. And Trump said, you know, They're the first ones to step up and do this. They're going to get the best treatment. They're going to get the best deal. Well, now, you know, they actually, a couple weeks ago, from what I was reading, like, they were close to a 10% deal with the EU. But the problem with the EU, like, Germany wanted to go. Germany wanted to do this. The problem with the EU is, like, all 27 countries have to sign off.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Nobody can balk. And so... There are some countries that balk. Macron in particular has been pushing back. He's the president of France. So they still don't have a deal. They're still trying to figure it out. But I think now that Japan's gone, India is supposedly closed. So there are a couple of holdups.
SPEAKER 10 :
Really quick, I'm glad you said that because my thought was once you get somebody like Japan, which is a pretty big trade partner, not the biggest, but a pretty big trade partner, once they come to the table and they make a deal, you've got to believe that some of these other countries, I know you're going to talk about Canada as well. We'll talk about that independently because I have my own thoughts there. But reality is when you get somebody like Japan to come along and say, okay, we can make this work for us, we can make this work for the U.S., and at the end of the deal this is a win-win, other countries have to pay attention to that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that's exactly my point where I was going with Canada. You know, you haven't heard a whole lot about Canada and Mexico lately other than they're trying to figure something out. And, you know, I think that the way Trump has talked and the way things seem to be playing out is like, hey, look, if you guys are going to do something, you want to giddy up and get going here. You want to get something done before this deadline. Because he seems, you know, there have been some extensions. He seems pretty earnest, we'll see. But he seems pretty earnest about, hey, when August gets here now, They've said also China, Bessette was making comments the other day, that a trade deal with China, they feel really good on the trade side.
SPEAKER 10 :
Nope, did I lose you, Scott? No, you're back. Sorry, I lost you for a moment. They said they felt really good about the trade side, then we lost you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, okay. No, Bessette said they feel really good about the trade side. There's just a couple other things they're going to work out, but They feel so good about where negotiations are, they're actually willing to extend China. So that's another – like if you get something done with China, that tells those other countries.
SPEAKER 10 :
So really quick, how do we get the thin-skinned Canadians to jump on board? Because, man alive, they are just – I don't know what other words to use. They're just butthurt over everything that's gone on so far. I've never seen a country so thin-skinned in my life.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I think with these other countries starting to go, you know, gosh, Mark Carney said, I'm going to be the guy that gets everybody to rally together and gang up, you know, and go against Trump. Well, if all your other players in that ensemble are starting to disappear, you know, you don't want to isolate yourself because that's just going to be bad for you. And so I wouldn't be surprised that if Canada doesn't, we don't start hearing something about a Canadian deal soon.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the reality is, and we've said this all along, I've been saying it for quite some time. I know you have as well. And it's something that I think people, countries, by the way, they understand this. By the way, I think they understand it better than we do sometimes, better than some of our political parties do here in America. And that is we are the world's largest customer. And I know that when you're somebody's largest customer, you tend to get more things than the next customer gets because that's how things work, Scott. It's as simple as that. I know from being in business the majority of my adult life that when you've got a very large customer that requests something, you do everything you possibly can to bend over backwards to accommodate said customer because they're your biggest customer. We as a country until now have never used that clout. Shame on us.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, basically, yes. That's right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And we finally are. And countries finally are realizing that, you know what, we can't live without the United States of America, so we better figure this stuff out. Canada, by the way, is one of them, and they are dumb in waiting as long. They think they can hold out, and they've got this, you know, I read some of the stories because we're so close, you know, you get to see some of the things. And I think Canada feels like, you know, we can go without the U.S. We don't need them. Yeah, they do, actually.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I mean, I think people could go without the U.S., but it'll get more expensive for them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, Canada doesn't realize this, but one thing, one thing alone, which a lot of the citizens of Canada enjoy, and that is the oil that flows through the U.S., in fact, gets exported because it flows through the U.S. And without us, that oil doesn't even get exported because those knuckleheads up there and all their stupid environmental policies and so on eliminated them building other pipelines to export said oil. They don't have any choice. They need us. Exactly right. So, again, I don't know how that's going to end in Canada. This is a prediction of mine, Scott. I think they will be one of the last ones to come to the table because they're going to do everything they possibly can to weather this storm. The problem is it's going to kill their economy, and they don't have any choice but to rectify that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, you know, so one of the interesting things there, a lot of stuff I've been doing, somebody did an interview with the U.K. government about this, and the U.K. negotiators say – or said the reason they were able to get a deal so quickly and get something done they're happy with is they approached it like a business transaction instead of a political transaction. And they said the stumbling block for a lot of these other countries is they're trying to approach this as a political transaction and do it do it that route, and that's just not what Trump wants to do or the Senate wants to do or a lot of other things.
SPEAKER 10 :
Not going to end well. All right, talk to us about stock buybacks and how that may be kicking in soon and what that means.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah, sure. So, well, really quickly, can I go back to one other really quick point? No, absolutely.
SPEAKER 10 :
Go ahead, Scott. Absolutely. Go. No, you're fine.
SPEAKER 07 :
So, you know, I think what people need to understand here, too, is that, you know, the reason the stock market initially sank is everybody had these reasons doomsday scenarios about what's going to happen with tariffs and the worst case scenario. And it's going to be disaster. And the Fed kind of went in that direction, too. And they're saying, oh, my God, what this is, what you can do to inflation. Well, you know, these deals we're signing are much better than those doomsday scenarios. So, you know, again, this goes back to if it's going to play out this way and we're going to see, let's say like it's a 15 percent baseline rate when you start to average everybody out. that's far better than what they expected after April 2nd. And so back to the Fed and talking about inflation, I mean, I think this is another thing that's going to show up, and it's not having the inflationary impact that the Fed thinks it's going to have or has been waiting for.
SPEAKER 10 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 07 :
And again, it should push the Fed in the direction that hey you guys need to cut because it's also if it's not going to have that inflationary impact you know what else is really good for the u.s economy right and you know what else is good for going into the next thing we're going to talk about it's going to be good for corporate america because it means their margins aren't going to disappear and they're going to keep making money and so you know what they're going to do with that money they're going to spend that money buying back the shares of their companies
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, so what does that, in layman's terms, what does that do to folks that own shares in the company?
SPEAKER 07 :
So if you own shares, let's say you have a company that has, what is it, like a million shares or a hundred million shares outstanding, they make about a billion dollars in earnings. That's about $10 per share in earnings, right? So if you reduce that, or I'm sorry, about 10, anyway, if you reduce it by about 10%, then all of a sudden that... You have less shares, same earnings. That earnings power goes up to $11.11 because of that reduction from the buyback.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because there's simply not as many out there to dilute it as much, meaning your shares are going to generate more wealth for you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. Not only that, but so as that happens... the multiple on these things stay the same. Like if it's a growth company, you know, we'll put like a 32 multiple on a $10 in earnings means it should trade around 320 bucks a share. Well, now all of a sudden, if they buy back these shares and that number's $11 and 11 cents, you put a 32 multiple on it. That's a stock that should be trading at like $353 a share. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 10 :
So automatically your shares got to be worth more money as well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because it's the old supply and demand. There's not as much supply as there once was, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
That's exactly what it is. Okay. And so right now what you're seeing is tech companies are becoming a bigger and bigger part of the S&P 500. They're up to about 34%. And so these guys, because of what's happening with AI, they're seeing demand go up, their margins are going up, so they're going to have more money to retire their shares.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
So as that happens, there are going to be less shares outstanding in the S&P 500. And this is why, you know, for people to keep it simple, I recommend buying things like just buying shares of the S&P 500 via the SPY ETF. Because as these buybacks happen and the earnings power of the S&P 500 keeps expanding, that's going to keep driving up the value of the overall index. And to keep it simple, you can buy the SPY, you can collect a dividend, and watch these shares appreciate as all these buybacks happen.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Good to know. There's also, and I talked about this with one of our guests here earlier, in some of the additional, you know, potential tax cuts. code changes whereby they may want to take, you know, Trump's floating out there that, hey, let's just make all residential income. There's no capital gains on or let's do some sort of a basis adjustment, might even be able to apply some of that basis adjustment to commercial property. And as I was saying earlier, Scott, If they do that, and some of these people that have been holding on to commercial property, in some cases, generationally speaking, they may be more apt to sell, put some of that cash back into the economy, which is where that cash goes. Where right now, no offense, it's really, I mean, it's in the economy. But it's not. There's a value of an asset there. But that money that was originally spent that went in somebody else's pocket some 50 years ago that might have, by the way, in some cases might have been a few hundred thousand dollars that may be worth several million today. And I'm not exaggerating what I'm saying. You can now take that several million with a basis adjustment. That family or that individual can sell that property, not have a huge tax bill. And that several million dollars now rolls right back into the economy where currently it's not doing anything.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, it's a really interesting idea from a growth perspective, too. Because I think about it in terms of, if you're getting all these companies to make commitments to building new factories in the U.S., they're going to need properties to buy, space to buy. And if they can do it Let's say there's an old building that's kind of run down, but they can buy it for the right price and rip it down and put up a factory or whatever. That is a great way to get those things to happen.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's right, because for all of you listening, you're thinking, well, why would that happen anyways? Why wouldn't somebody just cash out? Well, depending upon the building and if it's got tenants in it, even though it's old and run down, if it's still generating wealth for that particular family or that particular organization, The reality, Scott, is they don't want to sell because the tax burden is so high that by the time they're done selling, there's no incentive to sell because they can't rebasis things when they ought to be able to, by the way. That just makes common sense. Go ahead and let that thing inflate to what it would be otherwise so that you now have a higher basis and you're not having to pay as much in capital gains tax. That's exactly what we should do. That would incentivize some of these people to sell where they wouldn't otherwise.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. And then let's go back to interest rates again, and talking about all these different types of things. And maybe the rollover in the property leads to construction of new buildings and all sorts of growth. That's a big part of why he wants to get interest rates down, too. At least I think so. I think so, too.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 07 :
If you have all these companies coming in to invest, they're inevitably going to want to borrow some of that money. And, you know, if you can get those borrowing costs way down, that's probably going to incentivize them to build more and spend more.
SPEAKER 10 :
And some would say, and that's another one where I don't think a lot of folks really understand, they'd be like, okay, well, why would a, you know, company that's worth a billion dollars want to borrow money to put up a hundred million dollar business? factory or maybe a 500 million dollar factory scott at the end of the day they may even have cash in the bank to go ahead and build it and the reason is because they can use that capital to continue to grow their business and make that happen they can use somebody else's money at a pretty low interest rate to make that capital investment on the building stretch that out over the next you know 25 to 30 years why wouldn't you do it that way yeah so for somebody so if they have a return on income of that money you're talking about they already have of say let's say they
SPEAKER 07 :
they have it like 10% or 11%, and they can borrow at 5%, their cash earn is 6% difference, right? Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
You do that all day long. And by the way, the numbers, when you talk about that working capital inside of a business that might actually have a gross profit that's way higher than that, at the end of the day, that margin is even larger.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. And that shows up in the form of spending and jobs.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I mean, even a lot of small to midsize companies, Scott, can run with a 15% to 20% bottom line. Well, if they can get to a 15% to 20% bottom line and you can keep that money making that 15% to 20% and go borrow money to build a building at 4.5% to 5%, well, you're not going to use your capital for that. You're going to go borrow it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Completely. You're crazy if you don't.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's right. You're not doing your investors well if you do it any other way. So, again, but here's, as you know, Scott, there's this threshold where, you know, if commercial property and building buildings and so on is up in that, you know, for a while now it was 7% or 8%. There's some stuff out there now that's in the mid-6s, even low 6s. But if you can get that down around 5% from 8%, that's a huge number, and that's enough incentive now for folks to start building again.
SPEAKER 07 :
That is a humongous number, and yes, I couldn't agree with you more.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that's where the Fed right now, as far as I'm concerned, is missing out. That's just my own opinion.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, that is. And so that leads me back to another thing. Paul Tudor Jones was talking about this before the election. He's talking about what are ways we can get the U.S. out of debt. And one of the ideas he floated out there was you inflate your way out of debt. And so what he's talking about is exactly this. Get rates down. Get growth going. Get businesses to spend on things like this. Get all these new investment dollars coming in the country, spending on these things. And you know what's going to happen? Tax receipts are going to pick up so much that the U.S. can start using that money to retire their outstanding debt, which is at higher rates, and refund it at lower rates and save themselves a ton of money in the process.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's right. Well said. Scott, as always, I appreciate you. How do folks find you?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, sure. Twitter, LinkedIn, or Substack, C. Scott Garlis.
SPEAKER 10 :
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In this episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush kicks things off with a fierce takedown of weak leadership traits—selfishness, short-sightedness, and being temperamental—with guest Richard Battle. The conversation dives deep into timeless leadership wisdom, practical applications for life and business, and a powerful reminder from Zig Ziglar: help others to help yourself. Then, John and guest Sunny Kutcher of Young Americans Against Socialism drop bombshell commentary on Russiagate, Obama’s role, and why the political double standard is destroying American trust. From EMFs to political theater, this one’s a wild, thought-provoking ride.
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All right, we are back. Before I get to Richard Battle, I've had several of you texting in asking what the last website was for Corey, Corey Hillis. It's emfhometest.com, emfhometest.com. And then the other site that he gave out where you can look at all the research on that is bioinitiative.com. bioinitiative.org, and then forward slash conclusions. I'll have that up in the show notes a little bit later tonight. Producer Ann will get that up for you, so you've got the links there as well. Richard, welcome. How are you? Are you cooking your brain talking to us?
SPEAKER 09 :
I'm cooking my brain talking to you today, John. And thank you very much for having me.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I appreciate it. And as I told everybody, you know, the last hour, you know, do I believe there's a lot of things going on that could have negative effects upon our health? Yes. Completely sold on everything, including some of the remediation. I'm enough of a Missourian because that's where my mom came from, Richard. I'm a show me guy. So in a lot of cases, you got to show me and show me the proof because I don't believe things that easily. That's just me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I'm just hoping if my brain cooks, it'll be better off than it is today.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, you know, I can probably say the same. All right, let's get into it, Richard. I appreciate you very much. By the way, the three most destructive character traits obstructing success. Let's talk about it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and this works for personal or business behavior. It also works when we see people go unhinged in these riots as well because they exhibit the same traits. three character traits. And we'll talk about them from the negative side, but the converse is true. Also, the opposite are constructive behavior traits as well. And so the first one is selfishness. People who think they ought to get their way all the time without any question. And if they don't, then they throw temper tantrums like a four-year-old.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. And by the way, we see that more and more now than I think we probably ever have before. And unless I'm wrong, maybe it's just because of what I do here, Richard, and I read more stories and I see more things and I'm more observant, but boy, it sure seems to me like it's on the increase.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, very much so. And I can remember when my daughter was born and one of the things that the baby books taught was you have a choice. You either let the kid run the family or the family trains the kid to come into the family and be a part of it, depending on how you parent them. And I think there's a lot of people who start off in life being pampered to, and that sets them up for this situation.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, it sets up the stage whereby if everything's already been given to you and you never had to struggle through anything, then that's what your expectations are going to be.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, and we see it in athletics where you'll see somebody that's a phenom, as they say, and they go all the way through, and at some point they don't succeed as they're used to, and they throw a selfish tantrum because they expect, and it's that entitlement mentality that goes with it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Talk about Zig Ziglar for a moment because I love his quotes, by the way. And for all of you listening, if you ever get a chance to do any kind of Zig Ziglar reading or video or anything along those lines, Richard was a great guy, by the way. I just love Zig. I know he's not with us anymore, but just an immense teacher, if you would.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely. He was. And so the opposite side of selfish is selfless. And this quote from Zig Ziglar, he said, you can get anything you want out of life if you help enough other people get what they want. And it's so true because if we focus on helping others, it always works out to come back that they'll help us at a time when we need it. And it's much better than if we pursue selfishly our goals and don't help other people.
SPEAKER 17 :
And the other thing I've learned, Richard, as well, is even if they don't ever come back to help you, what you had to do to help them and the gratification you even got is still good enough at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely. I mean, there's no better feeling than feeling like you've helped somebody else to accomplish something that they want to do. That is one of the greatest feelings I think there is, and if someone hasn't felt that, I really feel for them because once you do feel it and see it, whether they ever come back or not, that feeling in your heart will make you want to give more.
SPEAKER 17 :
Talk to us about being short-sighted.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, this is a second one that goes with it, and people who are selfish and immature like that, they're very short-sighted or impatient. And they have an inability to prioritize their strategic objectives versus tactical objectives. And so a lot of times they'll do things in the short term they think will help, but they end up hurting them in the long term.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. And again, I think for me personally, when I run into these people, for me personally, it's frustrating, Richard, because as you know, I am not short-sighted at all. I'm always looking down the road as much as you can and what's the outcome going to be if we do this, that, and the other, whether it's here or business or whatever. family-wise even. It's just the things that you do. And that end of it for me, I mean, I get frustrated with people that are selfish, but I think I get even more frustrated when I find people that are very short-sighted because they just can't see the long term.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, and so a couple of examples. One is playing chess versus checkers. The other is in negotiations and People will become impatient in negotiations trying to complete a transaction, if you will, and oftentimes the faster you move and the less patience you have, the worse deal you will get.
SPEAKER 17 :
Really quick, I'm going to stop for a moment because I think there's a great example of that going on right now, not to get too political, but you look at – And you look at what the Fed's doing and you look at what the news media has to say and you look at even what foreign leaders and others have to say. And yet Trump is looking long term for the best of the country and, by the way, is continuing to deliver on those. And boy, Richard, there are a lot of people when I as far as I'm concerned, there are a lot of people short sighted when it comes to tariffs.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that's exactly correct. And to take it from just the nonpolitical side, because there's people who are against him just because of the politics. Correct. But his experience negotiating is based on his personal experience where he had to put his name and money on the line. Most of the politicians in Washington have never negotiated anything except with other politicians.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that's different because you never lose in that game. That's right. Usually you're collaborating versus negotiating.
SPEAKER 17 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
And so when they came out and said, these tariffs, that he didn't get any deals done very quickly, they were jumping the gun because... Whoever wants the deal worst loses, and whoever wants it the fastest often loses as well. And so his patience to allow them to feel some pain before they came back to the table would get us better deals.
SPEAKER 17 :
Talk to us about the baseball end of things and how this is also true in baseball.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it's interesting. In most baseball organizations, they play series, especially in college and pros. And so while every game is important to win, it's important to win a series, two out of three games, for example. And so in that scenario, based on baseball rules, if you throw everything into the first game, you may win it, but you may lose the second two. And so there is a strategy involved in trying to manage your team and resources so that you can win a series, and that gives you an opportunity to sweep a series, for example.
SPEAKER 17 :
In other words, they're looking at the long term.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, they're looking at the long term. They're looking beyond just the game today into multiple days. We see that most often in using pitchers, but it's the same thing with bringing people off the bench and using people on the roster as well because you have restricted rosters. and how they manage play.
SPEAKER 17 :
Now, this last one being temperamental, what I've learned, and maybe I'm wrong in my thought process here, but typically, if you're selfish, you're liable to be short-sighted. And on top of that, you're probably pretty temperamental. I hate to say, but these three go together really well.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yes, they do. And so if someone blows up, and a lot of these people have really good personalities, and then all of a sudden they'll blow up. And if you're in a work organization and somebody blows up the first time, that's a red flag. And if you survive into the second one, that's a big red flag. And I would be looking for another organization because people that cannot control their temper and emotions, to me, that is an inhibitor to good leadership. Good leaders are able to control their emotions and temperament regardless of the situation.
SPEAKER 17 :
Agree, and that was one of those things that I will tell you, Richard, as a young man, I had to learn to control because I had a very short fuse for too long of a time frame. And one of those things that I'll just be straight up, the Lord had to work on me greatly because I'm one of those where I want things done. I want it done now. I want it done a certain way. And if it's not done that way, I had, and I have to watch myself even today, very short fuse because I want things done in a particular way. And it's one of those things that I don't know how else to say it, Richard. It's just it takes time and effort to not have a short fuse, in my opinion, because I had one for the longest time.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, you're correct in the operative word that you said was learned. All three of these are learned behaviors because all three of these are the way little kids come out with human nature. And they have to be taught to overcome all three of these things as well. And if they don't, they end up being immature and they are not able to succeed in society as well because of these three characteristics.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and I think, you know, that last one, being temperamental, and by the way, it's not just, and this is my opinion, it's not just having a temper, and I want to make sure I'm clear on this with people and get your opinion on this. I think there's some that can also go the other way, Richard. Sometimes it can be a person that, because they're selfish and because they're short-sighted, they then become not temperamental as in losing their temper, but they crawl into a shell and they become somebody different almost to where... You don't want to be around them at all because they're just deeply depressed. It can be completely the opposite of throwing a temper tantrum.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, and you're correct. A temper is one thing, but it's controlling the emotions in temper. And so if you have a quick temper... where it goes off all of the time or it's very much out of control of the person, that's a totally different thing than becoming or exposing your temper in a certain situation. And some people can do that occasionally, and it's an exception to the rule versus the rule.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. All right. Close this out. What are things we need to do to be better at all of the things that we do? And as we talk constantly and I get I get by the way, I get lots of comments on this that, you know, the leadership lessons we teach on a regular basis, people really do take to heart. And and I appreciate the fact that you're here and that we do this on a routine basis. To me, it's part of what we do on health and wellness. It's why I have you on. you know, right after health and wellness because they get dovetails perfectly into that because I don't know about everybody else, but I want to be better at these things on a daily, weekly basis.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely. And so the opposite of all of these are the solution, being selfless, helping others, focusing on long-term goals, and the seven habits of highly effective people, Covey said, begin with the end in mind, and learning how to control our temper. And I cited Rudyard Kipling's 1895 poem, If. And it was advice to his son. And it begins and ends with, if you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, yours is the earth and everything that's in it. and which is more, you'll be a man, my son. And that whole poem is great, but we have to learn these skills so we can be the best we can be and be better to others.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. Richard, as always, as I said a moment ago, appreciate you joining us. I put you again right after health and wellness because I think everything dovetails together very well, and I appreciate you taking time out of your schedule for us on a routine basis.
SPEAKER 09 :
Always my pleasure. God bless America.
SPEAKER 17 :
God bless you, Richard. Have a great rest of your day. And Golden Eagle Financial is up next. Al Smith did a great interview of late. Listen in. We'll be back right after that. Find Al at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 05 :
TJ here with KLZ Radio, and I've got Al Smith with me once again. How are you, Al? I'm doing great. How are you, TJ? Doing pretty good. We've been talking about retirement and all that kind of stuff, and I was just curious, what do you usually talk about with the folks that come in for retirement planning? What does that mean?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, if somebody's close to that transition where they're thinking about their 401k and where do you want to allocate that, where's the best place to have that invested? And some people who were fortunate enough to have a pension will have a conversation about that, especially if it comes to selecting a survivorship option.
SPEAKER 05 :
And how does that fit with life insurance and that kind of thing, with pensions and life insurance?
SPEAKER 12 :
If someone takes a big reduction in their pension, that's what they need to do in order to have a spouse collect part of their pension should they pass on. But that reduction in their pension will only benefit them if the primary worker dies before the spouse. Sometimes people choose life insurance instead. which may not provide quite as much financial benefit, but there's a certainty that the money will stay in their family.
SPEAKER 05 :
And is that always a good idea to do, or how do you help folks make that decision?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, it's kind of a long conversation to some degree, because if someone has health concerns, then selecting that survivorship option is always a good idea, because it makes it much more likely that your spouse will collect that survivor benefit. On the other hand, sometimes the other spouse may be anticipating an inheritance.
SPEAKER 05 :
That is amazing and complicated, and that's why I lean on you to learn all about the retirement process. Al, thanks so much for joining us today. Well, you're welcome. Tell folks how to get in touch with you.
SPEAKER 12 :
You can reach me at my office, 303-744-1128. If you get voicemail, I return those very quickly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right, we are back, and Sonny Cutcher will be joining us here at 4.30. In the meantime, we talked about this yesterday, ironically. No, I don't plan this stuff. But we were going through some things yesterday, Andy and I talking about different influencers and media personalities and so on, and who's somebody that I would respect and listen to and who's somebody I wouldn't and so on. And we got on the topic of Candace Owens, which Charlie reminded me today that some people, even some of you listening, may know right away who she is. And there may be others that have no idea who she is. So we talked about her yesterday, and I probably didn't do a good enough job of even explaining who she is. But she is a – or was a – and she still is a young woman. She's probably only in her, what, early 30s now, Charlie, maybe, late 20s, early 30s. I have to look up and see how old she is. Honestly, I don't know. She's a black lady, very pretty, by the way. She's actually very gorgeous, a very pretty young lady. And I, for the longest time, just had the utmost of respect for her. And I'll just say it straight up. I thought she was spot on in a lot of the things that she did. She had a great following. She was on Daily Signal, I want to say, Charlie, for the longest of times. And really had, again, had things just dialed in. And I don't know how else to say it. You can look her up. It's Candace Owens. And when I stopped following her, and a couple of things for me just became red flags, but the biggest one was she just couldn't get away from this whole French – the president and his first lady, I guess you would call her. She just is – she is on – she is dead set, and she just keeps talking about how – She is a man that is now transgendered into a woman, and basically he's now gay because he married a gay – married a man that claims to be a woman. And she just won't get off it. I mean she has just – she wrote – she did a whole documentary. You can actually go out and watch it. It's probably on YouTube still to this day, and she will not let that go. And why she ever got on it in the first place – Honestly, I don't know. I don't know why she ever went down that path, but she did. And I think initially there was just sort of some conspiracies and people said some things, you know, much like Michelle Obama, where there's people out there talking about, you know, her real name is Mike, not Michelle. And that's a whole nother one that, you know, people go down that rabbit hole all the time as well. And, you know, where do I stand in all of that? I guess here's my take on it. What difference does it make? Who cares? I mean, even if Michelle Obama is a man, how does that change anything? What difference does it make? I mean, other than just having something to talk about and discuss, who cares? Do I think Michelle Obama is a man? No, I don't think so. Is she the most attractive first lady we've ever had? No. Neither was Jill, to be real honest with you. But that doesn't matter. Again, at the end of the day, none of that makes any difference at the end of the day. Changes nothing as far as how the presidency went. As far as Michelle Obama goes, I think I'd be more critical of her in what she actually did politically speaking and how much she hates America. To me, that's a bigger deal than is she a man or a woman. But Candace Owens, when it comes to the monarchy of France, I guess you could call it, where she just would not macaron. She would not leave that alone and still hasn't. She still talks about it on a routine basis. Well, as of today. They are suing her in the U.S. court system, not the French court system, but in the U.S. court system. They are suing her. Now, where is this going to go? How is it all going to turn out? They want a full board trial. They want a jury. They want the whole nine yards. How does that even work? I don't know. They have really and this is I'm not an attorney, but since they're foreigners. Do they really have any standing, quote-unquote, in the U.S. court system? And this will be an interesting case because they're not American citizens, nor do they live here. They do travel and visit periodically. They come to the White House and so on. But like Andy and I said yesterday, it's French. It's France. I mean, no one cares. And that's where I don't know why Candace just got off on this whole tangent of having to somehow, you know, prove through a documentary what she thinks. And her proof, by the way, not literal proof, but in her eyes, you know, she's a man turned into a woman. And again, I will say at the end of the day, so what? Who cares? Even if she is or if he is. Again, I don't know. Don't care. I wouldn't have spent one ounce of time even thinking about that. Nonetheless, going down the rabbit trails that she's gone down, which, again, as I said yesterday, when people do those sorts of things, when Candace goes down this path, in my opinion, she discredits herself in a lot of other areas. And she has in my for me personally, I won't listen to anything she says. I won't listen to three seconds of anything she says. I don't care if it's good, bad, or otherwise. I'm not listening. Yes, I know. A blind squirrel finds a nut periodically, and so will she. I don't care. When you do some of these just oddball, off-the-wall, out-there things... I'm not listening. You've lost me as somebody that you have any credibility whatsoever with. You're done. I am not listening to you anymore. It's like Alex Jones. Sorry, those of you that believe in Alex and listen to Alex, you're as loony as he is then. Sorry, the guy's a loon. He is a wackadoodle. There's nothing that guy says that is worth listening to and paying attention to at all. He is a total shock jock wackadoodle on our side. And I'll be straight up honest. I distance myself from those people because they don't do our cause any just at all. In fact, I will tell you straight up, people like Candace, people like Alex Jones do nothing but destroy our side. They don't help our side at all. Now, I get it. The left has their wackadoodles as well. But they're looked at differently than ours are. And I think it's very important to remember that, that the way the world, quote-unquote, looks at our side versus the other side, it's two different things, folks. And like it or not, that's the way it is. I don't care for the fact that it's that way, but it is. They scrutinize our side more than the other side. There's guys like Michael Moore. He is a loon as well. He is so far out there, he's a total loony tune. Doesn't matter. People don't look at him in the same way they look at a Candace Owens or an Alex Jones. They just don't. It's just the simple facts of how things are looked at. And I look at the Candace Owens and the Mike and the Alex Jones of the world and think, man, life, could you just go to the other side? Could you just become a Democrat for me, please? It would be much better for me if you would be much better for our side if you would quit saying you're a conservative because you're not. You're a wackadoodle. You're a nut job. And you're best to just go away. Just vanish out of the media completely and go away. You're not helping our cause in any way, shape, or form. The problem is, though, they make money at this. And as I've said numerous, numerous times, because there's enough people out there that will watch the things they put out, that'll watch the documentary, that'll click on this, that'll click on that, that'll, you know, whatever it happens to be. You follow them even. In doing so, you're putting money in their pocket. And that's why they're still there. The day the money dries up will be the day they go away. So my encouragement is people that shouldn't be trusted and you shouldn't be watching, stop. Don't. Because every time you watch something of theirs, you're putting money in their pocket. You're not physically taking money out of your pocket, but you are because your eyes and what you see makes money for them. Because that's how the system works, folks. That's the way it's designed. So the best way to see some of these loons go away is stop watching them. Stop following them. Stop sending what they say to somebody else. Every time you do that, I don't think people really understand the way things work in the social media world. Every single time you subscribe or you like or you follow or you especially forward a video, they make money off that. Every single one of those things generates revenue for them. So stop doing it. If there's somebody that you think is a complete wackadoodle, don't send that to me because at the end of the day, they just made money off of that. And the best way to have some of these wackadoodles go away is to stop following, sharing, liking, clicking on, etc. Just stop and they'll go away because the money dries up. So I realize I'm just one small voice in the wilderness, and I'm not going to put much of a dent in people watching these individuals. But if you could spread the word around and tell people to stop watching these total wackadoodles, that's what will finally end them and for sure at least have them be quiet and go away on our side of the aisle, which is the best thing that could happen in a lot of these cases. Cub Creek Heat and Air Conditioning is coming up next. 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SPEAKER 07 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 17 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Sunny Kutcher joining us now. Young Americans Against Socialism. Sunny, how are you today?
SPEAKER 15 :
Doing well. Lots of bombshells today, keeping us all on the tip of our toes.
SPEAKER 17 :
Always stuff going on. Where do you want to start?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you know, I think I've been posting some clips of, you know, this, the Russiagate scandal. Yeah, that's a big one.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, we've talked about that in the, we record our podcast for the week on Wednesday mornings for the National Crawford Roundtable. And that was a big topic. this morning and and i feel sunny and i'm sure you feel as well that that is one of those things i want to see them just keep digging deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper on i mean the reality is is obama ever going to go to prison for anything no but we still need to dig deep and uncover as much as we can well i would love i would love to see the prosecution of uh former president obama because uh he as tulsi gabbard was it
SPEAKER 15 :
describing. He was truly the ringleader, went ahead with this hoax, this theory, this allegation that Trump was colluding with the Russians when in fact it was actually not necessarily well I mean kind of seems like the opposite now doesn't it it seems like there was actually a collusion to utilize information in order to keep him away from the presidency and I would love to see him behind bars I think that he is absolutely the president that changed that it really was the turning point in this country you know hope for change he absolutely did change this country and for the worse
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, he wanted to fundamentally change the way the United States functioned, was looked at, worked and so on. He did that between he and his wife, which I was just talking about her a moment ago. They definitely did that. And I guess I'm just being a realist. And as much as I'm like you, as much as I would love to see him go through all of this and be on trial and even see the same things done to him that they did to Donald Trump. I hate to say it. And I do. I hate to say it. It's not going to happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
I guess I understand that, you know, that is the just being real.
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, as much as I wish it were. And so I think for me, Sonny, the best thing that that I can hope for that we can hope for is that there is enough stuff dug up, enough stuff continues to be talked about. There's enough evidence and proof that these are the things that actually happened. that he will not go to – I'm just going to say it. This is my prediction. He will not go to prison as much as I think he should in a lot of cases, not just for this but some other things that he did. But the reality is he's not going to go to prison. But what I want to see done is his future political of anything is overfinished. He's not credible any longer. I want this to destroy that end of things for him. So he won't go to prison, but I want this to destroy everything else that he might do down the road.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, absolutely. And I just feel like this is, you know, we the American people need vindication. We need justice. There needs to be accountability. I mean, these things are just going to continue happening. And I think, you know, that that that truth, that reality, that really nothing's going to happen to him potentially and most likely is kind of what gives people, I would say, you know, the quote unquote, the black pill, because we are just seems like we are just endlessly giving and giving and paying into this system that is supposed to represent us and represent our interests as the American people. And there never seems to be any accountability for the wrongdoing and the corruption and the The robbery, the theft, the crimes that have just taken place for decades. And it's just it's pathetic. It's pathetic. And I think the only way to, you know, claim a semblance of the republic that our founding fathers put together is to. Continue fighting for justice. And I mean, even in the sense that I believe your analysis is correct is because of the judges, because they're never going to probably prosecute him. Although I guess with a grand jury, you know, you have a little bit more wiggle room there, I suppose. But, you know, these rogue activist judges will do anything. This system itself will do anything to preserve itself.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and I will say this. This is probably a shock. I would guess, Sonny, maybe I'm wrong in this, but I'll bet you this is even a shock to the Obamas of the world that it is now Tulsi Gabbard, who used to be on their side in their camp, and by the way, really in their camp. I'm not saying just fringe on the camp, but really in their camp, and yet she is now the one releasing all of this. That I find ironic.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's ironic, and it's just so, you know, well-timed, and it just comes at, you know, just as Trump is really, I think, trying to dismantle this deep state. I know a lot of people, you know, are potentially upset or have their opinions and thoughts about what's going on, but I do feel that there is a plan. I see the plan here, you know, and I think we just have to have faith that, above all, God reigns above all, that God has a plan, that the truth will always come to light, whether or not that means President Obama is prosecuted for his clear crime that, you know,
SPEAKER 17 :
justice will be served in the sense that the truth comes out and already what's been said today for those of you listening that maybe didn't get a chance to read this is some of this just came out a few hours ago this is direct from tulsi gabbard there is irrefutable evidence that details how president obama and his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence community assessment that they knew was false gabbard said they They knew it would promote this contrived narrative that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help President Trump win, selling it to the American people as though it were true. It wasn't. That is about as damning as it gets. I don't know what else to say, Sonny. I mean, that sums it up right there.
SPEAKER 15 :
absolutely and then there was all this other you know information about hillary clinton and i'm reading something now where obama personally ordered the doj not to you know investigate hillary clinton for espionage and for the things that were going on at that time for the negligence and uh you know handling classified information the way that she did and all of these things i mean these people are just corrupt liars criminals this is a criminal syndicate enterprise and that's That's really where it stands. I think that they, you know, they should all be shaking in their boots. They probably, you know, think that they're, you know, of course, they think they're above the law and they probably won't. Nothing will happen to them. But I do think it's, you know, not a coincidence either that, of course, Maureen Comey was prosecuting Diddy and all of these other high profile, you know, figures. And they worked really hard in that particular trial, in the Diddy trial, to prevent certain names from coming up, which, you know, and I think that she was, her job was to kind of pin it all on him and kind of cover everything else up which is it you know it's exactly what they always do they see you know they they have the information so they know where the smoking gun is they know how to cover it up and they know how to create a distraction and a smear campaign and that's exactly what they do time and time again what they did with trump where they created an entire hoax that they talked about for years and years and years and even to this day cnn had tilty gabbard on and they actually cut away and said well we don't need to spend any more time on this and it's just That is, you know, it is shows like yours and independent journalists that are actually giving the truth. And, you know, that's one thing that we can take away in the past 10 years is that we have actually taken some of the power, at least, away from the mainstream media because they truly are the enemy of the people. And that's the only way that this truth has even come out.
SPEAKER 17 :
True. I will say this. This is as you were talking. I was thinking about this. This may happen. Probably won't. But it may. And this is this is what I would like to have happen. And ultimately, like we were talking earlier, I would really like to see Obama and some of his cronies go to prison for this. Not going to happen. So the next best thing is I want a full apology. out of his administration, he and the people that were around him, and the Biden administration, and everybody involved in the DOJ at that time, for my opinion, the crimes against Trump, the 34 felonies that he's been charged with, I want all of that gone in an apology saying, we never should have went down that path. We did that because we were vindictive, knowing all of these other things that happened in the past. That's what I want. I know that's not going to happen either, Sonny, but that's what I want.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and everything they did to Trump, I mean, sets the precedent. Okay, why, you know, of course, like I said, it probably will never happen, but why is that so? I mean, why is it that, you know, people who have committed real treason, actual treason against this country and tried to subvert an election and, you know, if we're going to talk about 2020, completely rigged an election, in my personal opinion, as an individual, I think That's what I believe happened. And I just think that there just there just hasn't been accountability and justice the way that American people deserve. I mean, it's just hard to see, you know, these communists come in and they just they just absolutely wreak havoc. They've torn our republic, you know, apart. And it's just it's it's really hard to see. And I think the only thing that can really say that, once again, is just the transparent truth. You know, we have such dark history about who Obama is, where he comes from, you know, what his intentions are, what his motives are, what his network is. You know, when his mom, like so many different links that, you know, linking him to the CIA. Who are these people? How have they, you know, gotten so far where they are running the country? And this has been going on for decades. For decades, it's shocking, truly.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and we said this this morning in the podcast as well, and can't do this because this particular gentleman is no longer alive, but this country owes Richard Nixon a huge apology for what happened during Watergate, given all of these things that we continue to uncover now, and I mean that sincerely.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. And see what happened to him was a complete smear campaign. So it's just it's it is it's eye opening to see how, you know, the media spins things and the narrative that they play, that they that they twist and they play out to the American people. And to see the crimes that have taken place, the the agendas that have been carried out now and to jump in is almost shocking.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and to jump in really quick, Sonny, the one thing that we might see, and this will be very interesting, and again, I don't have any predictors on this, but it'll be interesting to see some of the folk that were surrounding Obama at the time. And it's named in this particular article I'm reading, you know, the James Clappers of the world, the John Brennans. Susan Rice, Secretary of State John Kerry, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe. I mean, it'll be interesting to see, will any of those individuals be drug in even for questioning? Will they be in any kind of an investigation, a trial, things along those lines? I mean, I think the more that these, by the way, these documents have now been declassified, it'll be interesting to see as we go down the path, will any of these individuals take the fall for Obama?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yeah, it's a great question. And, you know, you have people like Dan Bongino, who has written, I think, two or three books on this scandal, you know, on the Russiagate hoax. And he knows the ins and outs. I mean, you have General Flynn, who, you know, if you watch the documentary that that about him and his story. You see the ins and outs of how they absolutely smeared him, destroyed his son's reputation, tried to charge his son with colluding with the Russian, General Flynn's son, who was just simply helping out his dad. You know what I mean? It's just, it's absolutely insane. They will stop at nothing. And that's why I am actually it does frustrate me that, you know, what you're saying is probably right, that nothing will ever happen to President Obama, because it's like, well, why not? I mean, they put they literally took a mugshot and tried to kill President Trump. I get it.
SPEAKER 17 :
And I guess all I'm trying to try to get people to understand is while we would love to see that happen, the reality is it's not. So let's concentrate on the things that we know we can change. Let's make sure that as many people as possible in the middle, because the far left is never going to believe any of this. Anyways, they're going to deny any of this happened no matter what. So so period. Obama is always going to be an angel no matter what you do. But there are those middle of the road voters, Sonny, that I think we can take some of this information to and really get them to understand that. Wait a minute. You know, young Americans against socialism. We are on the track to not only being a socialist, but a Marxist country. These are the things that are happening that are starting to create that. Please pay attention and be aware of these things. And if you want to change that, you got to quit voting the way you have been. That, in my opinion, Sonny, is the thing we need to be concentrating on.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. Could not have said it better myself. You hit the nail on the head. And and we I mean, you can see the degradation. You see the infiltration like in places like Minnesota, in places like, you know, all the urban cities, L.A., San Francisco. And again, I mean, we have like full on Somali mayors of towns and cities. We are being invaded, not only on our southern border, but within our institutions. And I only say that because they do that on purpose to transform the culture of America. People don't recognize this country anymore because of the Marxism, because that's what they are. actively doing. And so you're absolutely right. This is the stuff of banana republics. This is what Mike Davis of Article 3 Project was talking about on Glenn Beck. And I posted a clip of that on our Instagram page because he just said it absolutely succinctly, which is this is the stuff of third world Marxist hellholes. This is what they do because they don't have a rule of law. They don't have a constitution protecting people. And even though we do, it's still been thrown out the window and trampled upon because the people in power have no respect for the rule of law. And and what that means and what the Constitution represents. Because they believe that they're above the law, and that's exactly what communists do. And once they have control, they will utilize that in any way that they need.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. All right. How do folks find you, Sunny? And I know they can help you out through donating as well, so talk about that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Definitely, we are grateful if you can help by donating and supporting us through our website, and that's where you can find our resources as well. That's yaas.org, Y-A-A-S.org. So really some exciting resources on there. We put out articles pretty frequently, and you can follow us on our social media pages where we post clips of just the crazy socialism things going on and other political news. that we want people to stay abreast of, just like you said, because this is the stuff of Marxist countries, and we need to protect our nation and the values that our nation was founded upon.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. Sonny Kutcher, again, thank you as always. I appreciate you joining us.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 17 :
You bet. Have a great night. Sonny Kutcher again. Young Americans Against Socialism. Mile High Coin coming up next. If you've got a collection of any kind kicking around the house, you want to know its value, you want to turn that into cash, Mile High Coin can help you with all of that. 720-370-3400.
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All right, we've got a few minutes left before our last break. Dave, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, so I got to disagree with you on Barack Obama being indicted. The reason I believe that he will be indicted if the evidence is there is because the precedent has already been set. Donald Trump went to court four times. They have already... That's done.
SPEAKER 17 :
That ship sailed?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so now... former presidents, including Barack Obama, if they do find substance... And that's what I like about Pam Bondi. She is... Her conviction rate in Florida was very, very, very high. So she's... I believe we're not seeing a lot of indictments come out and stuff like that because she is dotting her I. Yeah, I'll agree with you there.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. And you could be right, Dave. And again, this is one where I guess I'm being very... I don't want to say optimistic, because I'm not optimistic this will happen, but on the same token, I wouldn't... Let me say this. If it does happen, I will jump up and down in joy. I will be absolutely ecstatic, and I hope you're right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I guess you have more faith than I. So I think it's going to happen. And as for Candace Owens and this Macron thing, her biggest... Because I've listened to that report a few times. Her biggest thing on that is the fact that that relationship was started between a 40 and a 14-year-old.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right, right. And she is— And again, I'm not saying that she is wrong in all of her, even the documentary. My point, Dave, is as a— She's been on our side forever as a solid conservative, independent-thinking, black lady, young lady, very beautiful, etc., has huge influence. Why go after the head of France that has absolutely zero to do with what we're doing here in the U.S. and all of the other problems we have? Why not focus here versus there? That's my question.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and I agree with you there because it's inconsequential to us.
SPEAKER 17 :
Correct. It means nothing at the end of the day, Dave.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so I agree with you on that. It's interesting, and it's like watching a car wreck, but other than that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, there is that. You got that right. Dave, by the way, thank you. I appreciate it. I'm going to squeeze one more call in here before we go to break. Ben, I've got two minutes. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I wanted to mention, you know, your guy on the EMF thing?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
I knew that that problem was out there, but I didn't know it was that bad.
SPEAKER 17 :
As you heard from what he said, it definitely is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, and then all these frequencies, even like the old TVs and big desktop monitors, they all pump out these frequencies. They do, they do. Which frequency is doing what to your body?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and I think, you know, those are the things, you know, really, to your point, Ben, what's doing what? And I think that's probably where, you know, people like me and maybe even you, I don't know. I don't know the answers. I wish there were more information and more solid. And maybe there is. It's just being suppressed. I think that's one of the things I'll keep interviewing him on and getting back on the show and talk about. But, yeah, I like you. I want to know more details.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, there's frequency. That's what, you know, is it infrared or Wi-Fi or whatever?
SPEAKER 17 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 08 :
There's intensity. That's how strong it is.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then there's how proximity, how close is it? And then you got, I think that, and he touched on it, But I think there ought to be a total EMF load that you can tolerate. It's like if you're an x-ray check with two cell phones, then you need to be treated for radiation poisoning every day or whatever the case may be. No, great point, great point. I don't know just like you. And then on that O2 thing, I looked into one of those years ago. I was going to start a clinic with one, and I probably would have stumbled onto the safety aspects but i uh you know that would have gotten by me because every now and then you you know you don't associate safety with a given piece of equipment but at the end of the day i'm more about that than not right and then thirdly that girl sunny i mean If I was going out with her, I know we wouldn't have a political argument because she thinks too much like I do.
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I'm sorry that I'm fat. All right. Happy Wednesday. Health and Wellness Wednesday here on Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Michael Bailey hanging around after his program. You heard him a moment ago, and he's hanging around with me for a few minutes here on our show today. So welcome, Michael. Thank you. Hopefully you're having a great summer so far. Doing the best I can, yeah. Rolling right along. When it comes to estate planning, and those of you listening, and this is something that I harp on a lot. I know Michael doesn't, but I do, because you never know what's going to happen next, Michael. People think, well, I'll get that done next year, or I'll get that done as I retire, or I'll get that done. whenever, and then all of a sudden something happens. And now it's an emergency because you didn't have things dialed in on the front side. And the reality is there's a lot of things in your world that can't be done after the fact.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. And tomorrow is the fictional land where all of the dreams and all of the hopes will happen. And as Little Orphan Annie teaches us, tomorrow is always a day away. So when you reach a tomorrow, that means you're probably not here. And then you're not going to be able to describe what you want to have happen to your assets. I have a friend who owns a home health care service. And so he's like, well, I have a client and you know, they have dementia and Alzheimer's and you know, how do we go about creating a power of attorney for them? Like you don't, the family's going to need to apply for guardianship conservatorship and get the court to appoint somebody, which is going to be five to 10 times the cost. Because when you set up a power of attorney, you have to have mental capacity to understand what you're doing to choose somebody at that point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Otherwise, somebody's choosing for you.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. And it may not be the most pleasant of things. You know, if you've got grandpa or if you got mom or dad who have Alzheimer's or dementia. One of the symptoms of that is they're going to be paranoid about things. They're going to be paranoid that people are going to be taking things away from them. So if you're sitting in a court and they're taking away their ability to make a decision, you're reinforcing that paranoia. And then it's just if we can avoid all of that, it's so much better. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, and these are things – and I know you guys hear me talk about this all the time, and I try to not get super personal on air on a routine basis because the show is not about me. It's about mostly you guys and how to be informed and what to do and how to help you all listening out and so on. But I will tell you that going through a lot of the things that Michael is talking about over the past – year plus now, I'll just tell you that having things dialed in on the front side makes it way easier. It's already, you know, keep in mind, these types of things that you go through in life are already difficult. They're difficult as is, right? It's difficult, you know, mentally speaking, it's difficult physically speaking, it's difficult financially, depending upon how things are set up and dialed in. And the reality is you can make all of that much easier by thinking about it on the front side.
SPEAKER 19 :
Exactly. I mean, you know, not to harp too much on your personal thing, but, you know, I know that your mom passed away recently and you're dealing with your dad who has memory care. Right. So you have a power of attorney, both a financial and a medical, that allows you to make decisions on his behalf. Right. You didn't have to take him into a court. You didn't have to go through all of that. And when he reached the point where he couldn't handle it, you can. That doesn't make it easy on you. It's not like you're like, oh, yeah, let me make a quick phone call and everything will be fine.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, no, it's not that way either.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, it's not. No. But if you had to go to court every time you wanted to do something, oh, my goodness, that would be ridiculous. Oh, Michael.
SPEAKER 07 :
And again, for all of you listening, please, let me really be, you know, I'm trying to be as solid with all of you as I can. As Michael was saying, it's hard enough already. You're already making lots of decisions and things that are going on and things, by the way, that you really never even realized you'd have to do because nothing anybody will tell you will ever prepare you for those things. But having everything on the front side dialed in when those things come up and when somebody says, do you have X? Well, yeah, I do, okay? And here it is, okay? Well, all those steps just make things that much easier, whether it be at the hospital or some of the other homes and things that you'll be involved in. And I've had no idea how, I'll be straight up honest, I had no idea how a lot of these things worked prior to going through it. Now that I do, and fortunately, I'll be straight up with you guys as well on this one. I forced my folks. literally probably michael 10 years ago or so nine years ago roughly to sit down with michael and get this stuff handled now i will also say this i did not i was not with them when michael was with them this was these were things that they with michael sat down did handled so there wasn't any pressure from us kids and getting it done it was just we want it done right and i'm thankful that i did do that
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. And you want it done because, I mean, you know, so, you know, one of my stories, I got a call from my brother about four years ago. And he says, hey, Michael, do you have mom's medical power of attorney and a living will? And I said, that's a terrible way to start a conversation. Yeah. Yes. And why? Yeah. There's got to be a story there. Well, you know, that was my mom had had a seizure and she was non-responsive in the hospital. She was, you know, 30 hours she was non-responsive. Unfortunately, she died. got, you know, has gotten better. Right. But I could open up my computer, email the hospital, the PDF of my, of the power of attorney that I did with my parents 15 years ago. Right. And I said, okay, well, you know, you're up in Fort Collins. We'll see you in about an hour because I live up in Thornton.
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And so, and then we, we went up there and the hospital people, they're like, I'm sorry. I don't know. Who are you? And I'm like, hi, my name is Michael Bailey. I'm Bonnie Bailey's attorney. And this is my paralegal, Brittany Bailey. Okay. I didn't mention that I was the son and the daughter-in-law. It was unimportant at that point because at that point they were limiting visitors because of COVID stuff. Correct. And they were like, well, you can only have two visitors. I'm like, well, you should let me in. I kind of played that. I played that. I'm a lawyer card. Right. But it was there so that doctors and nurses knew that they needed to be talking to me. Correct. So that they could treat her and do all the things they need to do. And what could have been a very scary crisis was a... Okay. Did I plan to spend my Saturday afternoon or my Saturday evening at a hospital? No. But was it a crisis of, oh, my gosh, what are we going to do and how can we? No. It was a, all right, we'll figure this out. We'll take care of mom. Yep.
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And it's, trust me folks, it's much easier to be able to do those things that Michael just talked about a moment ago than it is to be scrambling around with, okay, where's this? Where's that? Do we have this? Do we have that? And all of the other things that go along with it, it is much easier to have all that stuff dialed in on the front side. Now, Question for you. How far out are we on getting things done right now? Somebody calls you right now. What are we looking at timeline? Mid-October to start. Okay. So I know about this time last year, we went through the same thing. If you're wanting things to be done by year end, start now. Right. I know that's, I know we're halfway through the year and that sounds.
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Even if it's not year end, I'm like the best time to start to plant a tree was 20 years ago.
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The second best time is now. Exactly. So get it done now. I know I say it a lot, but I mean this. KLZRadio.com, you can find Michael there, plus anywhere else I am. RushToReason.com, Drive-Radio.com, any of my sites, you can find Michael there. It's really easy. And I've had this happen as well. If you forget all of that, most all of you have memorized the text line. You can always send me a text message and ask me what Michael's number is. I can fire it right back off to you, and you can get a hold of him that way if need be as well. So that's how it works. If you need something, and I cannot... Stress enough. If it's not done or if it needs updated, please get it done now. Yep. If it's done now, it's in place. If you need to change it in the future, we can do that too. I just did. Better to have something than nothing. Things need updated time to time as well. So, Michael, as always, I appreciate you. Thanks for all you do. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for helping me out as well because it made things a lot easier on our end. So thank you very much. Veteran Windows and Doors coming up next, folks. And, again, there's going to be some potential ENERGY STAR changes coming on windows and doors first of the year. And as far as that goes, I don't know exactly how that's going to turn out. Neither does Dave. But as it looks right now, there will be changes that will affect Colorado. And if that's the case, you want to get things done prior to that change. Talk to Dave today. Go to klzradio.com.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Health and Wellness Wednesday. Thank you for joining us today. Dr. Scott Faulkner joining us now. I'm going to have a segment with him. And Dr. Scott, welcome. How are you, sir? Thank you, John. I'm doing great. Thank you for inviting me. Well, always a joy. Saw you yesterday. And part of what made me think about having you on today is there has been some news of, like, you have a hyperbaric chamber at your office. We've talked about that. You've talked about that. And the reality is there has been and there was a really bad, sad accident with one of those that happened the other day. I got several text messages, by the way, shortly thereafter saying, hey, I hear you guys talking about this at Scott's office. Is this something to be concerned with? Blah, blah, blah. And I thought, you know, no better way to dispel some of what happened there or get an explanation maybe from you as to what happened there. And then what you have at your office being different. I thought, you know, no better way to do that than just have you on and talk about it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I appreciate it. Yeah. So recently we've been rocked in the industry by two unfortunate accidents. The first one was a five-year-old, I believe it was in Minnesota. And then last week that physical therapist out in Arizona. And so there's, There's several factors that can lead to a fire or an accident inside a hyperbaric chamber. So that's why, as the consumer, they need to know where they're going, first and foremost, because fires can stem from operator error, negligence, or ignorance of potential hazards. And that's what happened primarily in Minnesota. We'll take that one first, a five year old. So there are people that are going to go to jail because they did not follow the safety guidelines. that they should have. They were not observing. So like in my office, our hyperbaric chamber is literally when you walk in the front door and my staff are probably five feet away from that at any given time. They've gone through a full safety course. There are actually certifications that you can get to have the proper handling of an HBOT because now you're talking a hyper enriched oxygen environment under pressure. which if you get enough oxygen, you've created a bomb in a sense. Right. So any spark, anything like that can set that off. So that was unfortunate in Minnesota. I don't know if they allowed that five-year-old to have a tablet or an electronic device. We do know that the operators of that machine are going to go to prison for negligence, for not engaging. checking their equipment, not making sure it's safe, not making sure that the nasal cannula or the face mask was tight fitting. So that's that incident. The physical therapist, he was just dumb. He got into his own chamber at 11 o'clock at night. And so you have no safety backup. And when you're in there, and if you have an electronic device, even a cell phone with these lithium ion batteries, or if you drop something, then that can cause a spark. and blue smoke generator, and you have no way to get yourself out. Now, the upside to my chamber is that you can decompress it from the inside, and here's where the oxygen comes into play. So we use concentrators, not 100% liquid oxygen.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Explain the difference because I think that's a really important factor in what you're saying that is different from those accidents. Explain that a little further, if you would, on layman's level.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, so 100% liquid oxygen, as the name implies. So you've gone past buildings, maybe a welder or something like that, and you see this big, huge tank with pressurized gas. Well, in this case, it's 100% oxygen. So there's no nitrogen, no helium, no anything else. And it's liquefied, so it's put under pressure. And then it comes through the building, so it has to be stored outside. But as it comes into the building, then it expands, turns into a gas. That gas gets pumped into the hyperbaric chamber, normally either from an oxygen mask or a nasal cannula. Well, the problem is if you have a poorly fitting mask or nasal cannula, that oxygen starts to fill up the chamber. Because normal oxygen, atmospheric pressure, you have about 21% oxygen in the atmosphere. Okay. But if you have a poorly fitting device, and that's why we make sure that before somebody goes into our chamber, the mask is fitting well or the nasal cannulas fit well, because that 21% can start to go up 28, 30, 40, 50. Our chamber actually has a warning system that if the oxygen level starts going up that high to vent the machine immediately. Got it. So obviously the fellow who was inside his chamber in Phoenix had no ability to do that. Now, I don't know what chamber he had, but I know he was operating it by himself in his office at night with nobody around to help him.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, not a wise move to begin with, period. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, exactly. And I can almost guarantee you he probably had ear pods and probably had his phone or a laptop in there, which is just a recipe for disaster. There's a reason why they say they don't want you to ship lithium ion batteries in a plane and other things because there is that potential for a spark. You just drop your phone on the carpet or on the floor. And you can create a blue smoke generator. Now you're in a hyper oxygen environment. And remember, oxygen itself is not combustible. But if you put oxygen in a pressurized system, then the fire will combust and spread a lot faster. And you don't have time to get out of that chamber.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, right. And the other thing that it does, which I think people forget, is they're thinking, well, there's nothing inside of the chamber that's really combustible. Well, actually, Scott, there's lots of things actually inside the chamber that are combustible, including the clothes you're wearing.
SPEAKER 12 :
well that's the other thing so that's why we have people disrobe or just take their clothes off and get into a cotton robe if they do not come to us with a cotton sweat pant a cotton t-shirt because synthetic fabrics especially nylon can carry static electricity and believe it or not just the clothes you wear or if you have hair gel on or you have certain makeup products um all those are combustible jewelry can uh cause a spark So things that people wouldn't normally think, and I can't tell you, every day I have somebody asking me when they come in, hey, can I take my tablet in? Can I take my hearing aids in? Can I take, you know, different things? Can I have my jewelry on? And the answer is not just no, but absolutely no. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Makes total sense. And again, I think the important factor here is that, A, everything you're doing is being extremely watched over. You've got a complete set of procedures that everybody's following before somebody climbs in. And you're even doing the oxygen side of it differently than what some of these others are. And again, some of this... uh these two accidents i should say some of the the you know what happened in those accidents because sometimes some of the fact finding is what i'm trying to say the words i was trying to use some of the fact finding will come out here at some point and determine even more of the fault as to what happened but to your point um i personally and this is just me i rarely ever fault a piece of equipment because in my world and what i've grown up doing over all the years dr scott i have learned over the years that it's typically not the equipment it's the user using it that's at fault
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that's it. So you have a chamber, right? In my case, mine is a medical grade, hard sided chamber that can go to two atmospheres. Absolute. A lot of the ones that are popping up in med spas and chiropractors offices, one, they never sent their pay, uh, their staff through a full certified training course. Um, we sent our staff through it because I don't want an accident too. You're right. Instead of using a hundred percent liquid oxygen, We use compressors. So a compressor will get the oxygen in your nose or in your face up to about 95% as opposed to 100%. Well, the chances of a fire or explosion is almost zero utilizing that. The big thing is if you don't have a good-fitting mask or nasal cannula, Because, again, normally when you start out in the chamber, it's 21% oxygen. But if you have a slight leak, then it can rise up to 22%, 23%. Our chamber has a sensor on it, and if that oxygen gets to 23.5%, we are alerted.
SPEAKER 07 :
So there's no way you're getting to 100% is the point.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct. That's exactly right. So we have fail-safe things. Unless the equipment fails... Right. But like you said, it's rare for equipment to fail in an environment like this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. Yep. That's exactly right. Well, and again, part of why I wanted to have you on was to really dispel. I think there's a, you know, as with anything that happens along these lines, there's always. You know, rumors and conspiracies and different things that float around and, you know, well, they're not safe. And why would you ever get in one of those and so on and so forth? And the reality is, no, they can be used for a lot of things. Medically speaking, they're they're a huge, I guess I could say, Dr. Scott healing agent, depending upon what type of an ailment somebody might have. and they're becoming more and more popular because of that, the recovery of even certain injuries, cancers, all sorts of things along those lines, which I know you talk about whenever you cover for me, which I appreciate greatly, by the way. But reality is they're a great tool, and we don't want to lose that tool because of, I hate to say this, but because of morons using them.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that's exactly right. Now, here's a little bit of history. Did you know that hyperbaric has been around since the 1600s? No, I did not know that. Yes, and how many fires or tragic accidents have you heard of around the globe since 1600 using hyperbaric oxygen chambers? None. You've heard of two recently. Yeah. There was a couple in Italy... But other than that, believe it or not, there's only been a handful of accidents. Of all the millions of people that have been in these chambers, that shows you how safe it is in the right hands.
SPEAKER 07 :
Got it. Got it. Makes total sense. Now, if folks want to know more about that, and I guess really quick because we've got a couple of minutes here, for people that are listening, what – What type of a injury or ailment, or it's even an anti-aging thing, which I know you talk about a lot as well, but who should be looking at using one of these? That's my question.
SPEAKER 12 :
So these are what we call off-label uses. So some hospitals have their own big hyperbaric chambers for people with carbon monoxide poisoning or deep wounds that don't heal. Got it. So that's where insurance will cover those.
SPEAKER 07 :
And near the ocean for bends and things like that, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
That's exactly right. But everything else is an off-label use. So Alzheimer's, dementia, traumatic brain injuries. And we're coming into football season. We just went through soccer season for these young leagues. Well, I'll tell you what, when these kids get hit and their cage is rattled, That's a traumatic brain injury, and it becomes accumulative over time. If we can get the young athlete in, five to seven dives, their brain will normalize. But if you wait or don't treat them, that damage will start to accumulate over time. And I've seen some horror stories of high school students, college students playing football and soccer, even soccer, the girls that take that ball off their head. then they lose their personality. They have a hard time in school. They can't focus. Their grades plummet. So that is a massive population that is not looked at. Yes, the Alzheimer's. Yes, people who have wounds that don't heal. surgery. I have a lot of plastic surgeons now sending their patients because they're finding that their surgeries look so much better so quickly. Yes, it improves the healing so fast. Judy and I, we hop in the chamber every night when we can just because we want to reverse aging. We want to stay as sharp as we can. My 23-year-old daughter To study, she goes in there for her paramedic classes. We can prove objectively she has a 20% increase in her test scores just by studying in a hyperbaric chamber.
SPEAKER 07 :
Wow. Unbelievable. All right. What's the best way for folks to get a hold of you, Scott?
SPEAKER 12 :
Castle Rock Regenerative Healthcare at 303-663-6990.
SPEAKER 07 :
You are the man, and you're going to hear a lot more from Scott here in the near future. We're going to have him filling in for me on a more routine basis, which, again, I am very thankful, Scott, when I'm gone.
SPEAKER 12 :
My boss said August.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and when you're filling in, I get all sorts of great comments. So, A, thank you for doing that for me. I appreciate it greatly. And for those of you listening, you're going to hear Scott more often. So, Scott, man, I appreciate it. It was great seeing you yesterday, and thanks for all you do. You're welcome. Thank you, John. All right, man. Have a great night. And I appreciate Scott. And, again, you'll hear from him a little more often as he fills in for me periodically. And, again, I appreciate all that he does. He has got a great practice, and I know I talk about it a lot. In fact, let's do this. Charlie, if you can, flip his – Flip his spot, if you would. I know he's supposed to be in the next break, but let's do his spot next, and I'll just talk about him for a minute while you're doing that. And again, for all of you listening, he is your guy. He literally will do things that, as you could tell a moment ago, other medical providers, doctors, will not do. In fact, I'll go as far as to say can't. cannot do because they're just not allowed to with either the practice they're in, the hospital group that they're in, the medical insurance end of things they're in, etc. The reality is they can't do the things that Scott can do. 303-663-6990.
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And it is Health and Wellness Wednesday. Thank you all for listening. We appreciate it very much. Our next guest joining us, Corey Hillis. He is a certified EMF expert. Corey, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 20 :
I'm great. Thank you so much for having me today.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I appreciate it. And this is a subject where I've had a couple of interviews along these lines. And I'll just be straight up honest because I try to be. I mean, there's no sense in lying. This is one of those areas where I know very little about this. And I'm probably one of your bigger skeptics. So you're going to have to convince me of what's going on here.
SPEAKER 20 :
In a few minutes, it's tough, but we have more science to back up what we have going on than you can imagine. So I have no problem with that.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, let's get started. And again, first off, EMF, what is that for folks listening that maybe they've heard the term but really don't know much about it?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, 5G is the hot button that everybody hears about now. It's radiation, okay? It's radiation. Radiation is photons traveling light speed, carrying energy. When it oscillates very high frequency, like trillions of waves per second, that would be like an X-ray or gamma ray. And it took us 50 years to discover, but we finally realized, uh-oh, that's causing DNA damage by ripping electrons off atoms. Then they assume, well, if it's lower frequency radiation, like Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cell phones, all that stuff, even all the way down to 60 waves per second, which is a power line, there are effects also. But it's done a completely different way. So for 60 years, we were in the dark about microwaves, radio waves, or radar, basically synonymous, being harmful in a different way. And that's a newer discovery, I would say.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And I know part of my notes are that we learn more, we know more, and yet we're being very, how should I say, I don't want to say it's a huge cover-up, but maybe that is the right word. Reality is we're not releasing the information and or educating folk the way we should. Am I saying that correctly?
SPEAKER 20 :
Absolutely. And there's really good reasons for that. But there's more evidence on this stuff being not only a little bit toxic and stressful and harmful, but a lot bit. And there's over 10,000 studies. It dwarfs what the cigarette industry was trying to cover up for years. But they still say, hey, there's no evidence. And I got lots of wild examples that will blow your mind. Our U.S. government spent $30 million on a cell phone study proving it was harmful to rats and Mice, the European Union spent millions of euros showing that it was causing DNA damage. A cell phone was causing DNA damage. That's not a 5G phone. That's an older phone. I can go on and on. I can point to studies where people can go to to research this stuff or find summaries of thousands of studies.
SPEAKER 07 :
And is it, I mean, just being, I mean, all of us are exposed to this regularly, whether we've got a phone in our hand or not, or any other device in our hand or not, by the way, because these things, this type of signal, maybe that's the best way for me to say that, Corey, is around us at all times, just like people that live near power lines or what have you. The reality is... We're – unless you live out in the middle of nowhere and you don't have much exposure to this and there's very few of those folks living because most people live in suburbia or big cities. So the reality is we're being exposed to this stuff. Even small towns, Corey, as you know, they're outfitted with all of the latest in technology and so on. So reality is we're exposed to this stuff all the time. Is it worse in certain areas? I guess that's what I'm asking. Explain to all of us, you know, what are things I guess we should be trying to avoid given the fact that we're surrounded by this stuff anyways?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, you can't avoid it anymore. I mean, it used to be, you know, a handful of years ago you could kind of, you know, avoid this stuff yourself. But a lot of our problems... are coming from not our own devices anymore. It used to come from your cell phone and your router and your smart meter on your house, which is now a Wi-Fi device on the electric meter that sends out information all the time via radiation. It used to be just that. Now we have cell towers, and cell towers in outer space is what I call Starlink and the other 39, six major players, but 39 other companies doing the same thing. Starlink has 7,000 satellites, 350 miles up, sending a laser beam of radiation at cell phones and satellite dishes and cars and all this stuff. And you can live out in the middle of the country now. And we have a lot of sensitive people. So in my industry, there's certain people that are really sensitive to EMS. They get really messed up quick. They move to the country and it gets worse.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really?
SPEAKER 20 :
Because a cell tower in the city is meant to go a handful of blocks or a half mile or something.
SPEAKER 06 :
True.
SPEAKER 20 :
Because the building's in the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
True. Good point.
SPEAKER 20 :
It's not as strong. Now, if you live in the country, these cell towers, they can go 25, 50 miles. So if you live a half a mile from that, that can be a lot worse radiation than living, you know.
SPEAKER 07 :
Never thought of that.
SPEAKER 20 :
No, no, it makes sense.
SPEAKER 07 :
I hadn't thought of that, but, you know, that makes sense. And, again, question for you, and this is one where I know some people are more susceptible to, you know, XYZ, for example. Some people smoked. I had an uncle who smoked his entire life. His entire life lived to be in his mid-90s. Granted, he rolled his own, so he might have been different tobacco than what the cigarette companies were selling. But bottom line, smoked all of his life, lived to be in his mid-90s. There's others that ended up with lung cancer at a very early age. Is it a DNA thing as well?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, you could do the same bad thing to a thousand people and certain people would get more effect than others. It doesn't mean it's not bad.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 20 :
It's not going to like taking a vitamin, you know.
SPEAKER 06 :
True.
SPEAKER 20 :
So who knows how long, much better the person's life would have been. But with that being said, this the symptoms of being exposed to this radiation are now we know exactly what happens and we know how we're kind of the first to figure out the how. So it malfunctions something inside of your cells called a voltage-gated calcium channel. And when this malfunctions, the level of calcium, double-ion calcium molecules, gets all messed up in your cell. And it usually doubles or triples some of the cells with different kind of channels that actually reduce, like breast cells, by 85% in your router. What does that mean? It's just kind of like, okay, whatever. Well, scientifically it means, if you listen to the biochemists like Dr. Martin Paul and the others... that snowballs into an effect, and that causes DNA damage, free radical damage, nitric oxide problems, and a host of other things within the cell, which could snowball into effects like fatigue problems, sleep problems, concentration difficulties, headaches, immune system disorders, cancer, Alzheimer's, autism, massive, massive problems and reproductive abilities for every modern society going on right now, and the list goes on and on and on. And can I tell your listeners where to go for a neutral place to look at like a summary of studies?
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely. No, yeah, absolutely. In fact, as you do, I'll put this in my notes so that even folks that listen in after the fact, you know, we put our show notes up with links and so on. And so I'll absolutely put this in here. So, yeah, no, go for it. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 20 :
Great. And all this information is on our landing page, emfhometest.com. EMF, like Edward Michael Frank, hometest.com. So all this and more can be found there. But the website I'm referring to is the bioinitiative.org. Okay, bio, and then right into the word initiative, no hyphens or punctuation, .org. If you add forward slash conclusions to that website address, it'll take you right to a page with 1,800 studies summarized. Okay. The reason I like this website so much is because there are members from around the world, every country you can imagine, Australia, Russia, Europe, United States, Canada, And their scientists, environmental groups, have been doing this for many decades, so they've been around a long time. They don't get paid for it. They have no agenda. They don't sell anything. They're not funded by anybody with an agenda. So it's really just, hey, let's report what's going on here. And you can look at that page, and you realize they summarize on that page I said, okay, how many studies are on leukemia, and then how many of them are conclusive, and what does that summary mean? Like kids being more affected. You just go down the list, and your jaw is going to drop in five minutes reading that page. And so there's a lot of information if you want to look for it. I'll tell you one study that will blow your mind. The European Union paid €3 million for a reflex study, it's called. And your listeners won't even believe what I'm about to say until they look it up, and they can verify it. They want to know how much DNA damage a cell phone was causing compared to a chest X-ray.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
Because that's been studied since the 90s. Dr. Henley Lai at Washington State University is one of the first. So how much DNA damage they came up with. So 24 hours on a cell phone. That's not today's 5G stronger cell phone. That's yesterday's cell phone. 24 hours on a cell phone produced the same strand breaks and DNA damage as 1,600 chest X-rays. Now, that wasn't some dude in a basement. That was 12 institutions across Europe participated in this, funded by the European Union. That's why Brussels banned 5G and there's a whole lot more in Europe going on that is aware of this because they paid for that study and it opened a lot of eyes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Very interesting. The other question, somebody just texted in or called in, by the way, and asked Charlie, my engineer, and I'm on Amazon as I just was thinking, okay, are there home tests? Are there ways that you can actually buy devices to determine what type of EMF you're receiving? And are they legit? I guess that's my other question, Corey.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, this is a complicated subject, but yes, we have reps speckled across the country, and if one's near enough to you, they can drive to your house. And if you go to the website I named emfhometest.com, if they're close enough, they'll literally come to your house, test with meters, and show you how ridiculously high the levels are compared to the experts saying what's safe. Your listeners may not know this, but every single person that has a cell phone in the audience, which is probably all of them, when they sign their contract... The words in the contract say if you touch your phone, you are over the safety guidelines set by the FCC. So the FCC is admitting that your cell phone, every single cell phone is unsafe levels of radiation. So it's already in there. It's in the small print. There was a lawsuit trying to get that into the big print, like on cigarette packs.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 20 :
Like, hey, make all the pants and all that. The judge said, nah, you know, they already got it in a small print. It's redundant to put it, you know, not looking out for the public, that guy or girl, whoever it was. But that's what we're up against. So we're still kept in the dark unless you want to educate yourself.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Another text message came in. Are there ways to protect yourself? And, you know, let's face it. There's enough people out there listening where they've got to have ways to communicate. I mean, we live in that digital world. Unfortunately, like it or not, that's where we're at. So a question that came in is how do we protect ourselves against all of this?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I was one of the first people in line to get a 5G cell phone because I love the technology. I'm not against it. The company is making it. I'm not against the awesomeness.
SPEAKER 07 :
Which, by the way, I appreciate you being honest along those lines because I like you. I mean, these things, A, they make – I don't know about everybody else, but they make my life a whole lot easier. There's things that right now today I would not be doing and would not be able to get as many things done without having it. On the same token, and this is health and wellness, we do this every hour – or I should say every Wednesday for the first hour of the show we do health and wellness – And reality is I'm very concerned about people and their health and so on. On the same token, I want to be rational about these things as well.
SPEAKER 20 :
So, yeah, I'll be honest, too. I was first in line, two reasons. One, I love the technology, and I'm not against this at all. But two is I wanted to make sure the products that we invented actually were going to work on the new 5G phone compared to the 4G that we did. So if I didn't believe our products work, I'm telling you, I wouldn't own one. My daughter is five. She would never have any of this junk in her hands.
SPEAKER 06 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 20 :
But you can protect yourself. You can have your cake and eat it too. The science is on our website. You can clearly see we have tests on human cells with perfect probability functions showing that we fixed what's going on in there. And, you know, the FCC's rating of 1.6 – watts per kilogram. They basically say there's a certain level that they accept that your head can be heated by a cell phone. That's what that SAR rating is, specific absorption rate. How much you're heating your head. Your microwave oven heats food. It's not magic. It shakes and vibrates molecules. And they spin and they smash into each other and that friction creates heat. When your cell phone's against your head and it's heating your head and it can be shown, you look on our website, Go to that landing page, and you can see people talking on the phone and their head getting hotter every two minutes. It's heating your head. You can see it on thermal imaging. It's not heating your head like sitting next to a radiator. It's heating it by taking molecules inside your head, spinning them, smashing them into each other, and that friction creates heat. That sounds like not a good thing to me. I don't think there's any acceptable level for me.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 20 :
to do that in my head, but that's what they came up with.
SPEAKER 07 :
Some of the interviews that I've done in the past, I will tell you that, and I know sometimes it gets annoying to some people around, and I do my best to keep that down and turn the volume down and so on, but I'm a speakerphone guy. I rarely ever have the phone up to my head doing much of anything along those lines after doing some of the interviews that I've done here along these lines. I'm still being exposed all of that, but I, I, I like, you know, I guess I've listened to enough people I've interviewed where I rarely put that thing to my head.
SPEAKER 20 :
That's a very wise choice. And even though we have a product that shows in most people in 10 minute calls, there's no change in thermal imaging, but when they do you, they use this phone without our chip on it. It's a little chip you put on the back. Then you see massive and there's a place in California did all our testing on that. You can see videos and you can see the pictures there. Um, And the person testing it's showing you right on the videos. Even though that's true, occasionally somebody after seven minutes or 10 minutes mark gets a little change. So for me, that's no good. So I'm talking on the speakerphone right now.
SPEAKER 06 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 20 :
So even though our product is darn near perfect. I still would rather be on speakerphone just to – why not?
SPEAKER 07 :
Another question I have for you because this is one that I don't think I've ever asked anybody, but while we're on it, I might as well. You see so many people now, and it's become so common. Every time I travel or even when I'm just out, you're doing wherever. You go to the grocery store or whatever. I mean – anymore, I would say that half of the people, I don't think I'm exaggerating, have some sort of an earbud or listening device that's in their ears. Is that similar to what we're talking about with the phones? I mean, are they better off that way, or is it still like having the phone to your head?
SPEAKER 20 :
It's like having the phone to your head. Every Bluetooth and Wi-Fi device is going to have radiation and when you're touching those devices like your phone your bluetooth earbuds when your fingertips are on your laptop and the laptop's on your lap you're absorbing a lot more radiation you're getting a lot more effects by it and these are things you need to avoid or protect yourself from so they're big now we are we're working on it with a company right now to make the first hopefully remediated protected earbuds but that's you know hopefully coming soon
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. All right. So in other words, they are, I mean, and I guess I, for me, I can't stand those things being in my ears. That's part of that as well. But I've always wondered, you know, there's got to be something, you know, again, it's a signal, there's something that's coming out of that going to your phone, being able to talk back and forth, sending that signal back and forth, which by the way, it's great. I mean, I love it. It's awesome. And I'm not telling people to not use them. But I think you need to be thinking about how many hours a day are you wearing those things?
SPEAKER 20 :
Absolutely. And if you go on our landing page, you can see tests where people talk on a phone for two minutes, and they prick your finger, and they put the blood under a microscope, and they look at it. And it's mostly red blood cells that come out, but other ones too. And you can see what it looks like after two minutes on a phone.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
If you use our chip, then it goes back. You take the chip off, it goes back again. Like, it's scary looking. It's significant. And when you do these, like... All of our family and friends were going through all these tests, too. When this happens to you and you see it, you take it serious.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, my gosh, this is like a big deal.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, this has been very informative. And, again, if you're willing to, we'll have you back. I'll even dedicate a little bit more time to you being back the next time. I mean, to me, this is fascinating. I think there's a lot of information here. There's no way to cover this all in one particular segment, Corey. As you know, these are things that we'll probably just have to chip away with next. as time goes by. But I am very interested in having you back, talking more about this, letting people be informed of what's going on. And I know from your website, there's lots of things there. I'll just throw this out. There's lots of things there where folks can look at things, buy things, and help them avoid some of the things that we're talking about right now.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. I mean, when we fix a house and all the EMFs in somebody's life, literally 50% of those people, roughly, will give us testimonials. And we do not fix medical conditions. So for that to happen that often, it's a big deal. This is the invisible elephant in the room.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. We will keep having you back. Corey, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Corey Hill, a certified EMF expert. Again, Corey, thank you for your time. This is valuable. I appreciate it very much.
SPEAKER 20 :
Thank you so much today.
SPEAKER 07 :
You bet. Have a great evening, and I appreciate you being with us, and we'll have him back in the future. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. And again, folks, make sure you're dialed in when it comes to your roof. Dave can help you with that, including the product that actually extends the life of your roof, the RoofMax product, 303-710-6916.
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Suck it up, buttercup. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. In all honesty, because I'm, as I've said before, I'm really skeptical on some of these things because, and what I'm probably the most skeptical of is not that we have these signals out there and the damage that they could do, but, but I'm more of a skeptic of the folks that are selling the things that stop them. Now I will tell you, Corey's pretty convincing. And after going to his website and the fact that he'll send people out free of charge to look at your home and tell you exactly how much EMF radiation do you have? Um, Let's just say this. We're going to have him back. I'll keep talking to him, and we will go down this path together and figure out exactly what you can do to protect yourself when it's all said and done, and we'll do that during these Health and Wellness Wednesdays. All right, that's it for this first hour. We'll be back for another hour. Don't go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm a rich guy
In this episode of the Best Stocks Now show, guest hosts Barry Kite and Jeff Webster offer a detailed analysis of the recent shifts in the global markets. They discuss the energy sector, rapidly changing trade deals, and their influence on sectors like auto and tech. Discover how agreements with countries like Japan are reshaping economic landscapes and explore the potential market opportunities these changes present.
SPEAKER 05 :
He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good morning and welcome to the Wednesday, July 23rd edition of the Best Stocks Now show. I am Barry Kite, planer analyst here at Gunnarsson Capital Management, sitting in for Bill today. And as always, we've got Jeff Webster with us here as well from the firm. Looks like a bit of a mixed open after a pretty strong day yesterday in the markets. We've got the Dow up 195 points, 0.44% today. up over 44,698. And we've got the S&P just turned positive a little bit here, up 12 points at 0.2% at 6,322. And we've got the NASDAQ still above that 20,000 number, but below the 21,000 number it hit for a little while yesterday. It's at 20,881. Down 10 points, basically flat for the day. And we've got crude oil down about a half a dollar, $64.84. Not much traction there in the oil realm as of late. We've got gold down a little bit, down a half a percent to 3,413. I think as we get some clarity on tariffs, we're going to continue to see gold kind of have a bit of a headwind there. And Bitcoin, kind of almost inversed with the dollar as of late. You've got Bitcoin up just under $118,000, down $2,000 on the day, down 1.74%. And the old important 10-year treasury, we've got up just two basis points to $4. point three eight percent still below that critical four and a half percent number so again good morning welcome to the wednesday july 23rd edition of the best stocks now show i'm a planer analyst here barry kite at gunderson capital and we've got jeff here this morning advisor and vice president at the firm good morning jeff we're uh it's it's monday again
SPEAKER 04 :
Good morning. I'm feeling very energized in more ways than one today. Lots of electricity and energy out there today. We can dig into that energy sector a little later in the show, but it's exciting to see what's going on today in the markets.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, big, big, big moves there. And, of course, I woke up this morning to a deal with Japan, which we'll dive into, and that's really kind of been... Certainly was driving the overseas market, particularly the Asian markets this morning. But markets took, as they tend to do and need to do a little bit, at least from a healthy standpoint for the market, the markets took a bit of a pause yesterday after hitting all-time highs on Monday. Of course, like I said, after we got some big news on the trade deal with Japan, We've seen, you know, a bit more traction in the market, like I said, particularly overseas. Bill referenced, you know, last week that in the current environment, when he was going through kind of his, you know, look in terms of how we analyze or how he analyzes the market and, you know, kind of that topped-up approach, and particularly nowadays, you've got to really start to, looking at the current environment from a global global picture uh um you know it's uh and then kind of you know refine get your magnifying glass out from there and really do that true you know top-down view of the market at this point and um you know we'll get to the the japanese trade agreement news which is the biggest global news for today but uh you know yesterday nasdaq ended What, 0.3% lower. It kind of fell the most compared to other averages. The S&P was basically flat, down I believe a little bit, but basically flat for the day. The Dow actually eked out a small gain up 0.4%. On a day that was pretty much, like I said, flat to down, oddly enough, you had 9 out of 11 segments yesterday actually ended in positive territory. It must not have been very positive, but we're starting to see... good bit more, I don't know, more breadth to the market in terms of, you know, more companies participating in this move. For the longest time, it was certainly, and still is to a bit, just based on the amount of the market that they make up. But, you know, the Magnificent Seven was really driving, you know, a very large amount of returns for the market. And we've really kind of seen that, you know, I feel like you're talking about energy and Jeff and other parts of the market that have really kind of broadened out whether the core theme is still AI, but it's really broadening out across a lot of different sectors, a lot of different industries, and it's healthy for the market to get a good bit of breath in there. I was seeing, I think it was Monday, where at one point early in the pre-market, I was seeing, I think it was like maybe 400 or more of the 500 S&P companies were actually up um for the day you know at that particular moment in time and it's just those you know looking uh we can get kind of caught up and looking at the the top line numbers but you know underneath what makes up the market um is is really big from a from a breadth standpoint or a health standpoint of the market and you know we're starting to see that more particularly you know when you mash all the all of the magnificent seven you know companies together then you They're pretty much roughly a market perform. At certain points this year, they've underperformed the market if you mash them all together. So that's a good sign for the market and I think a good sign for continued economic health and the earnings growth that Bill's been referencing in the newsletter. Well, we got... Indeed, indeed, yep. Yeah, and we got, in terms of, you know, the biggest news today, obviously, is we've struck a, apparently struck a deal with Japan. You know, President Trump was, I guess, you know, he stays up a little later than most of us, Jeff, and so he was... it's funny. I'm going to read the stuff and it's like on, you know, uh, you know, I don't know if, if his last night, you know, if his, if his is today or last night or what, in terms of him being, uh, you know, tweeting past, uh, midnight or what have you. But, uh, we came to a, came to a deal with, with Japan, which is a very big, uh, very big, important, uh, and trade deal and kind of caused some by surprise, really. I mean, we've got a, Essentially where we stand is there's going to be a 15% reciprocal tariff on Japan's exports to the U.S., And apparently there's going to be a cut in the auto tariffs as well. I believe that's going to come in at 15. Japan's agreed to invest $550 billion of new capital in the U.S. And apparently, at least according to the president's true social message, America is going to receive 90% of those profits. So, you know, thanks for the investment. And, you know, I guess thanks for the continued income stream. So there's, you know, it's just the president loves, you know, he's a dealmaker and never met a deal that he didn't want to negotiate, right? And so whatever it is, it keeps him going. It seems like it keeps him, you know, keeps him motivated, keeps him busy. I guess, you know, the alternative. right, would be maybe what we had last administration where you didn't really hear too much at all about what's going on behind the scenes.
SPEAKER 04 :
It seems like some of the Asian countries, I mean China aside, are becoming far more willing to work things out. I know that they've worked out deals with the Philippines, with Indonesia, now Japan, which is one of our hugest largest trading partners. For whatever reason, though, the European Union, you know, they want to arm wrestle with President Trump, you know. I don't know. That's frustrating.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's like, you know, I think there's, you know, certainly I think on the EU side, I think there's likely, you know, some egos involved, right, in terms of, you know, not wanting to, you know, wanting to at least appear strong or what have you. The interesting thing is when you start getting some of these I started thinking about, as you mentioned, where we had the deal with Japan, and we'll get into the deal with the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia is trying to get something papered. The point there is, and South Korea as well, the point there is as these dominoes keep falling, especially regionally, you get a deal with Japan, well now South Korea is a big trading partner with us, well they don't want to pay $30,000. Japan's paying 15 or, you know, so it's, you know, now it's more, more reason for them to get a deal, a good deal. So their products can stay competitive, no different than, you know, some of the deals, the deal we already did with Vietnam, um, the deal with, uh, you know, Indonesia and, and so, and the Philippines. And so, you know, Asia, right. Seems to come on board. Even we've even got agreements in place with China at this point, nothing permanent, but still. So we'll, uh, We'll see how all that plays out, and we'll be right back here with the second segment of the Best Docs Now show. And welcome back here to the Wednesday, July 23rd edition of the Best Docs Now show. I'm Barry Kite, planter analyst here at Gunderson Capital, playing captain for Bill today. And I've got first mate here, Jeff Webster, joining me as usual. We've got markets-wise, looks like we're all in the green at least at the moment. NASDAQ barely, it's up two points, basically flat but still green. And we've got the S&P 500 up 14 points. That's almost a quarter of a percent. And a 6,324. And the Dow leading the way up to 44,709. That's the 206 points, almost 5% on the green here. And, you know, I guess what, Jeff, it's let's make a deal time. You know, I keep thinking about, you know, as these countries, more and more countries, you know, strike these trade deals, then, you know, I think it's going to loosen up, you know, some of the ability to get some of these other deals done, particularly, in Asia where you've got, you know, all these competitors and all the names that we're about to mention that, you know, that have struck a deal or at least close to striking a deal, you know, a lot of those compete against each other to sell us goods. That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
I noticed, Barry, in your notes that, you know, the three big automakers here, the U.S.-based automakers, they're advocates, you know, they're voicing concerns over the Trump tariff deal with Japan because they think it will be unfair to the big three that manufacture vehicles in Mexico and Canada. My answer to that is, guys, well, put some pressure on your government representatives to say, hey, guys, the Japanese are playing here. Let's play ball here so we can even the playing field.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and you've got, I mean, and the difference being, you know, 10%, right? You've got, you know, part of the Japanese trade deal, Stellantis, right, is going to be, or not Stellantis, you know, Toyota, they're going to likely benefit from, you know, reduced tariffs on auto imports to 15% while, You know, the 25% tariff is still in place for vehicles, you know, coming from Mexico and Canada or parts coming from Mexico and Canada. So that part certainly a big deal. And it'll be great to, you know, I always like going up to Detroit because we'll get, you know, we'll get less than two weeks away now. We'll get more timely and get some kind of a boots on the ground perspective from folks up there because, you know, you know usually everyone we talk to has some tie in some form or fashion to uh you know to the auto industry um you know whether it's uh you know one of the the primaries or one of the you know a supplier and so we'll be uh again we'll be up there august 5th 6th and 7th that's tuesday wednesday and thursday uh two weeks a little less than two weeks from today we'll be up there and Bill will be doing his workshop also on Tuesday evening. So welcome to reach out to Edie, 855-611-BEST. Feel free to give her a ring. Shoot us a message over at GundersonCapital.com. ED will work to get you on the schedule. I know it sounds like we're filled up for Tuesday and Wednesday in terms of in-person meetings. There's still going to be some room at the workshop, but we're opening up Thursday as well. Not flying out until late on Thursday, so we can... get any, any appointments in of some folks that, uh, that want to meet with us. So certainly looking forward, uh, you know, looking forward to doing that. Uh, I know, uh, I know we've all got our, uh, tickets booked and, uh, and ready to go. Um, you know, the interesting thing I think is, you know, on these deals, uh, you know, uh, you know, certainly markets getting a boost in Japan. I saw something where I believe the Japanese market was up, uh, The most in one day since 1987. And so we all know, a lot of us know what happened in 1987. I remember seeing my dad come home from the office in 1987, and it looked like it was... I was maybe about 10 at the time, and I could still tell that he didn't have a good day. So he didn't even have to ask at that point. But that was a rough one. And, of course, it bounced back. It kind of reminds me a little bit, Jeff, of the – remember the 12%? It kind of had that NASDAQ bounce almost 12% in a day, I don't know, a couple months ago when we initially announced that, when Trump initially announced kind of that 90-day pause and You know, I'd never seen, I couldn't recall the market moving 12% in a day. I didn't even know, honestly, I didn't even know with some of these circuit breakers and things if that was even possible nowadays again, right? So it was, you know, but when you look at the framework, I mean, it's, you know, the benefit here is this framework on this deal, you know, could look a lot like the framework on a lot of the go-forward deals. You know, folks are trying to, analysts are trying to extrapolate Kind of that 15% tariff, kind of extrapolating that across other potential deals, even a deal with the EU and what that would maybe look like at the 15% level. And so it's pretty unique. Like I said, we've got 15% on exports to the U.S. They're going to invest $550 billion into the U.S., Apparently, we're going to receive 90% of those profits. They're going to have committed to taking in more, as Bill has mentioned for a while now, taking in more rice from us. Japan, I guess, they have a certain amount of imports of rice that they can take in before they begin to tariff it. Currently, I think about 40% of that quota is comes from the U.S., so it sounds like they're going to, you know, up the amount of the quota that comes from us, and so, you know, they're also, there's a kind of another piece of the deal, the liquefied natural gas deal, so apparently it looks like they're going to begin, you know, buying more natural gas, liquefied natural gas from us, which should help There's been an Alaska project that's gone on for years that it looks like maybe that you'll finally have a source or somewhere to sell that liquefied natural gas from Alaska. So the point here is, you know, these deals are not just, you know, trade deals, right? I mean, they're really diplomatic diplomacy. I see it as a form of diplomacy, right? I mean, you've got the tariff piece is one thing, but whether it's militarily with the Philippines yesterday or whether it's helping agriculture or whether it's getting the NATO and the EU countries to put up more military spending. So a lot of this stuff is... The tariffs are the thing that gets the most easy headline, if you will. These are broad negotiations that aren't just about trade. It's about diplomatic relations and military alliances and everything in between. Just big news that drives more than than simply markets. It drives world geopolitics. All good news, I think, this morning on that front. We'll dive into some earnings in the second half of the show. Stick with us. We'll be right back. It's the Best Stocks Now show.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Welcome back to the second half of the Best Docs Now show. July 3rd edition. Barry Kite, planter and analyst here at Gunderson Capital. Serving as, sitting in for Bill today, this morning. He'll be back tomorrow. He'll be behind the chair. I think he just landed, so he'll be behind the trading chair here in just a minute. But we also, you know, if you'd like to stay up to date with Bill's thoughts, our thoughts on the market, you're welcome to get Bill's newsletter. Also, a four-week trial of the live trading at GundersenCapital.com. Or, of course, if you want to have a discussion with Jeff or myself, about your current allocation, what you're doing, what's going on in your financial world, feel free to give us a call, 855-611-BEST. That's 855-611-2378, and ED will get you set up. We're always here to be a resource, here to shed any light and help any way we can. Market's still a little mixed. Basically, NASDAQ's pretty much flat, and S&P's up 0.22%, and the Dow's up just under 0.5%. So leading the way now with the Dow. And just to wrap up the trade stuff, I mean, it's almost like musical chairs over there, Jeff. You've got, like you said, you had Japan reach a deal. Looks like we've reached a deal with Indonesia and the Philippines. The Philippines agreed to a 19% tariff. And then it looks like they're not going to charge us any tariffs for things that go their way that we sell into them. um you know that deal not quite as good as the japanese deal uh slightly down from the 20 rate uh that was uh you know kind of threatened um you know earlier this month i think that was via those letters that went out uh so they agreed to 19 tariff uh i think uh initially it was uh you know april was going to be around 17 percent so That deal's done. Indonesia, they're also going to face a 19% duty. It's down from 32% that Trump had kind of thrown out there a while back. And they're not charging us anything for us selling into their company. They're also going to supply some critical minerals. They're going to buy some Boeing planes and also some farm products and energy. So, as I mentioned, it's not just tariffs. It's wide-ranging numbers. And, you know, the two right now on the outside looking in are South Korea and Malaysia. South Korea would certainly like to do a deal that looks a lot like Japan's. Their 25% is going to kick in, I think, August 1st. Malaysia, I think, is trying to get to around 20%. So what you don't want to do is I don't think you want to be the last country in a region, right, to make the deal.
SPEAKER 02 :
What do you think there? I mean, how do you think that would work out, right, if you're the last one? hey, we'll take the deal that they all got. And it's like, no, I think we're going to deal. The terms have changed, right? I don't know. Yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
But the EU and Canada and Mexico seem to be one of those, potentially one of those last ones with no seat at some point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Barry, what are we seeing out there for earnings so far this week? I know that... This morning, pre-market, there were a couple of our favorites and certainly a few that we talk about often that reported. What are you seeing out there?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, we had what we had. Talon had a big story, not in earnings, but we had this morning what you had at the end of the day after it closed yesterday. One of the companies that you're very familiar with, SAP, reported. We've had, you know, this afternoon after the close, we're going to get, we'll get Tesla and Google, two of the magnificent seven there.
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ServiceNow, IBM. Yep. Let's see. QuantumScape, one that we've been talking about a lot lately, the battery company. We'll be reporting. Yep. GE Vernova, GEV, they reported this morning. I mean, in the industry sector, I mean, that's my favorite sector today, is, you know, two exciting things. One, I think, you know, companies like Talon, Distra, CEG, they're all, Constellation, they're all up today. One, yesterday there was a large... Auction conducted by the PJM Interconnection, which, you know, they manage the electronic electric power grid and they operate, you know, the wholesale electricity markets, you know, in a large part of the United States. They conducted their 2026-2027 auction for demand. And that fared well for those large companies, you know, GE, Vernova. alternative energy company. They posted very positive results this morning. They're up almost 13.5%. But, you know, you look at Talon. Talon's up 9.6%. Vistra, just over 6%. Constellation Energy, they're up about 4.25%. And then, of course, you have some of the alternative nuclear companies that we like with Oklo and And then you've got your fuel companies that fuel some of that alternative energy, you know, Cameco and UEC, you know, they're also up today. So it's good to see that segment, which has kind of lagged here for the last couple several days start to pick back up.
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Yeah, and good news is it's driven by earnings, not just pure momentum. I mean, GEV, like you mentioned, up over 13% right now. They make the turbines really for natural gas turbines for power electrification. That's some of the you know, that's some of the segment that can actually come on faster in terms of, you know, actually increasing, you know, power, you know, the supply of power. And, you know, in talking about that auction, you know, the PJM interconnection auction, basically you had, you know, 22 grid operators getting 22% higher, you know, prices than last year's record high levels. Now, What that is is those are, you know, that's the amount of power that is, you know, when you have those, you know, say very cold days, very hot days where you have this big surge in power, those are the prices of, you know, kind of that what they used to call that peak time of power, right? So, you know, those peak hours of power, the cost for that wattage is more expensive and than when uh you know then those those down times which would usually be when most of us are sleeping um but the uh but you know when you look at that i mean you know just in terms of prices uh that what does that translate into earnings and what do we you know what does bill uh what's bill's uh mantra of course you know stock prices follow earnings so That GEV chart is just, I mean, if you look at that one-year chart, I mean, it's just so smooth. I mean, there's not too many, just a couple little dips there, but nothing, really just a steady climb up. And to have that name up over 13% today is pretty amazing. Like you said, Talon, that's another name we own. CEG is another name we own. A lot of those, Vistra, those are really benefiting heavily today from what's going on out there. And you've got... You know, SAP, they're down, I believe, a little bit.
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I'll tell you, Bear, they did, you know, their my beloved SAP, not necessarily from an investment perspective, but I worked with them. And, you know, they provide tremendous software products and services, you know, to help power, you know, major companies throughout the world. They have been on a real roll over the last few years. Their stock is appreciated significantly. The fact of the matter is they're just being held to a much more accountable level by their shareholders. Good is not good enough anymore. They have to continually do better. Of course, their CEO, Christian Klein, he's a good, good guy. Very, very smart, but you know, he was able to, you know, utilize that tariff excuse, you know, for this is maybe why we weren't quite as good as you all wanted us to be. So the fact of the matter is the sales cycles in that space, I mean, these are, in many cases, you know, very, very large system deals. They're taking longer. I mean, companies are just, their decision-making process It's not so much about return on investment and operational efficiency as it is about mitigating risk. And if we're going to make these types of investments, we need to make certain that they can pay for themselves quickly.
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Well, they need to know what the business environment looks like going forward, and certainly with some of the trade deal up in the air with the EU, that's going to certainly mute a little bit of that guidance going forward for sure. Well, flying along with the show today, I think we've got about 20 stories here. This is Bill Gatorson.
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You've got to go where you want to go. Do what you want to do.
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And welcome back to the Wednesday, July 23rd edition of the Best Docs Now show. Wrapping it up here today, Barry Kite, planer and analyst here at Gunderson Capital, sitting in for Bill today, and we'll have him back in the seat on the show tomorrow. I've also got Jeff Webster, advisor and vice president here at the firm. And, you know, earnings front, you know, not something we talk about a ton, but I don't know if you saw some of these home builders, you know, D.R. Horton and Pulte Group. Yeah, reported, you know, D.R. Horton, I think that's D-H-I. on the symbol. Funny thing is, they were up significantly in the pre-market. Now I pull them up, and, of course, they're down 3%. So that's the nature of the market sometimes. Of course, they had a big move. You know, I think it was up close to 15%, I think, in the last, I don't know, 24 hours or so. But, you know, they beat D.R. Horton and Pulte Group. It's P-H-M. P as in Paul, HM, they both beat both earnings and headline numbers. They continue, even with the cost of homes out there, they continue to offer some of those in the new construction realm. They can offer some more incentives and other things that just aren't available when you're buying a resold house. And so that part of the market has remained strong. And, you know, I mean, basically all of the builders yesterday and, you know, over the last 24 hours had a big push. Like I said, a little pullback today at down 3.34%. But, you know, just as part of that breadth of the market that we're kind of talking about in terms of, It's not all chips and AI and quantum computing.
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Cameras and nails, too, brother. Yeah, it's interesting. I have a son that's in the construction industry. They work with a lot of those big builders in providing cabinets in their business. Yeah. I mean, their business here in the southeast is just booming. It's growing faster than ever. But, you know, I actually live in a home that was constructed by one of Pulte's divisions. Yeah, so it's good to see that some of those guys are doing all right.
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Yeah, and also we talked about it earlier with two of the magnificent seven names reporting this week. I think it definitely still highlights the importance of those seven names, particularly given the size of the market they make up. Currently, depending on the day, roughly make up about a third of the S&P 500 across those seven names. And, of course, we've got Tesla and Google reporting after the close today. Uh, Tesla's going to be, you know, there's a pretty, uh, going to be an interesting one. So we've got, you know, alphabet and Tesla today. Uh, next week we'll get meta and, uh, meta and, uh, Microsoft actually a week from today, July 30th. Uh, the day after that we'll get Apple. Uh, and then of course, so that's six out of the seven. And then of course we've got to wait almost another month, uh, for NVIDIA. Yeah. Which I think is the 27th. Don't quote me on that, but, uh, I know it's in August, so it's kind of like think of it as your headliner at a music festival. They'll be the ones you've got to wait all afternoon for, sweat for, hydrate for, and hopefully they'll deliver as a headlining act late in August. Yeah, August 27th, Barry, is what I'm seeing.
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They should be reporting the same day as Heinz, you know, because it's kind of like anticipation. Yeah. Making you wait. That's right.
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Yeah, hit the 57, right? That's right. It's making you wait. Yeah, but the, you know, in Tesla, I mean, it's going to be a mixed bag. Just depends on, you know, expectation-wise have really kind of, certainly kind of been knocked down. I was seeing something in terms of California registrations for Tesla came in, down 21%, over 21% in the Q2. And for the first half of 24, they're... California New Car Dealers Association and registrations are down 18.3%. We all know of Elon and not only his company is taking a hit, but his own brand. um i've taken a hit uh you know over the last you know to call it almost a year now um in terms of when right you know he became a big backer for uh you know for trump in terms of his uh his election um but uh you know overall uh that'll be an interesting one most of it most of the interesting stuff is going to come in the earnings call for that because i'm assuming that the numbers you know aren't going to be spectacular uh so it's going to be you know um You know, the showman, you know, Elon, in terms of how he discusses those things. Alphabet, also an interesting one just because, you know, in terms of, you know, and that's a name we own. Bill owns, we own that in the value portfolio. The main problem with Alphabet, obviously, is those AI challenges, them maintaining their dominance in search. as we've talked about a lot. And, of course, AI, the first step of AI is search. So they've been really under attack since AI kind of reared its head in terms of search. Now, they obviously, they're pretty innovative, and they can zig when the market is zagging. And so it'll be interesting to see. how that works out too for them uh from uh particularly from a commentary standpoint and how they're navigating you know navigating that space as a whole um but uh you know it's uh earnings week it's you know especially like i said next week what we mentioned we got meta microsoft and apple next week we got next week's going to be really jam-packed and so for the newsletter this week and certainly the newsletter next week with Bill's S&P outlook and earnings estimates and what those look like going forward is going to be very insightful. This is the time where that's probably the first section I turn to each week in the newsletter. So if you want to get Bill's newsletter, feel free to give us a ring. Always reach out at 855-611-BEST. It's 855-611-2378. He'll get you signed up for the newsletter and Bill's live trading email so you can keep up with what he's thinking on a daily and sometimes a minute-by-minute, hour-by-hour basis. But give us a call. We'd always like to have a discussion with you, see what's going on in your world. But we appreciate you spending the hour with us, and hope you guys have a great day out there. We'll be back tomorrow.
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Dive deep into the challenges of government control over key societal sectors like transportation, education, and housing. Kim Munson takes us on a journey through the implications of increased regulation and the ever-present dynamics of freedom versus force. This episode touches on the motives of global elites, deceptive policies, and how these affect the everyday lives of individuals seeking sovereignty over their property and choices.
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Indeed, let's have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Wednesday, Producer Joe. Happy Wednesday, Kim. And when it's Wednesdays, it's Wings Day at Hooters restaurants. They have three locations. That is Loveland, Westminster and the location over here on Parker Road. And you buy 20 wings, you get an additional 10 for free. And that's for to go or to dine in. They do have great specials Monday through Friday. for lunch and happy hour. Great fish and chips and great nachos, so be sure and check that out at Hooters restaurants. We are looking at these issues. We are searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. And it's not compassionate, and it's not altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, childhoods, or lives via force. And force can be a weapon, but it can be policy, unpredictable, and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation. This agenda of the World Economic Forum, which basically says, We would own nothing. Plays out the globalist elites are also pushing that through the United Nations, the Colorado State Legislature, this governor. But also we are seeing this play out in local government, county government, and state government. Yesterday when we had Mark Kostelik on and Blaine Clark regarding the new zoning and land use regulations, regulations in chaffey county and it is really usurping private property rights and i really was troubled about it all day as i was thinking about it that this is happening all over our country and as one of our listeners jenny has said is that they think globally And when they think globally, they're not thinking about America or the American idea. It's about global control. So they're thinking globally and acting locally. And it's been coming for quite some time. And as we had seen, the globalists that had taken over our educational facilities as well as the media, taken over culture, But in our universities and colleges, in the public administration schools, this is what has been taught is more and more density. And the more and more density means less people own their own homes. And owning your own home property is a great way that's created wealth for individuals for many, many years. And Trump, I think, really realizes what is going on, and he continues to do things to try to get all of this turned around. And we'll get to a couple of those headlines here in just a minute. But remember, if something's a good idea, it should stand on its own two feet. You do not need force to implement it. And on the show, we focus on the issues and talk about the people pushing those issues, but really try to stay out of the personalities fighting. And I was talking with a friend of mine yesterday. As I had mentioned, I'd done a whole deep dive on one of the individuals that's really influential and very powerful here in Colorado. And as I connect the dots, though, I'm frustrated because I feel that they are betraying. They're saying one thing to the people of Colorado and doing something different as you dig into things. And I have frustration about that. And I was trying to get my brain around that frustration. And I realize I think it's a betrayal of the people of Colorado. And Colorado is... I really think at the tip of the spear along probably with California on the globalist lease agenda. And we need people to understand the principles of our founding and stand up for those. And so I want to focus on these issues. But I think I get frustrated when I have seen the powerful and influential on the Republican side, I think in ways betray us. And I got it. And how How do you come together when that happens? That's the big question. So text me if you have an idea, 720-605-0647, because this is very, very important. Our word of the day is, it's an interesting one, and I think I found it because I was, I want to say it was from maybe John Adams, but the word is chimerical. And it spells C-H-I-M-E-R-I-C-A-L. And the first definition is existing only as a product of unchecked imagination, fantastically visionary or improbable, and could be given to fantastic schemes. And then lastly, it's relating to or derived from or being a genetic chimera containing tissue with two or more genetically distinct populations of cells but we'll go out to number one and two and i would say that Denver Mayor Michael Johnston and this over 900 billion dollar debt package that is probably going to be on Denverites ballot this November is a chimerical It is fantastic, not in a good way scheme. And we need to say no to this because that money should stay in DeVereight's pockets instead of going to government. And this is ballooned from $800 million. We'll talk with Wendy Warner about this in a little bit. Excuse me, $800 million. Let me make sure that I remember it. I got to make sure if I get this right. Is it billion? We'll talk with Wendy about that because it's just a lot of money. I'll put it that way. So our word of the day is chimerical, and your challenge is to use that in a sentence today. Our quote of the day is from Karl Marx. He was born in 1818, died in 1883. He was a German philosopher, political theorist, economist, journalist, and revolutionary socialist. He's best known for his 1848 pamphlet, The Communist Manifesto, and his three-volume Das Kapital, which is a critique of classical political economy, which employs his theory of historical materialism in an analysis of capitalism and the culmination of his life's work. And he said this, he said, "...the theory of communism may be summed up in one sentence, abolish all private property." And that is really what we have been seeing with the World Economic Forum of You Will Own Nothing and Be Happy About It. And as I was driving in looking at all of these apartments, somebody is making money on those apartments, but people that are paying rent are not creating any additional capital for themselves, any equity. And this is all by design. And so your word of the day is chimerical. And Karl Marx's quote is the theory of communism may be summed up in one sentence, abolish all private property. How do you do that? One of the ways is you charge people taxes and fees and take their equity, their capital that way. So that's why we have to say no to no new debt, as Jason Bailey has indicated. And this is a pretty big deal. This is from Politico. Trump withdraws the U.S. from the woke UNESCO for a second time and says that Politico leans to the left as far as their reporting. It says the announcement is the latest development of a tug-of-war between two rival administrations over the cultural arm of the United Nations. And UNESCO stands for the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. It says President Trump has decided to withdraw from UNESCO, which supports woke, divisive cultural and social causes that are totally out of step with the common sense policies that Americans voted for in November, White House Deputy Press Secretary Anna Kelly said in a statement. issued an executive order requiring Secretary of State Marco Rubio to review UNESCO and other international organizations which may promote radical or anti-American sentiment. The announcement is the latest development in this tug of war between the Obama-Biden administrations and the Trump administrations. The U.S. withdrew from UNESCO in 2019, citing concerns of the anti-Israel bias during Trump's first term, but rejoined under President Joe Biden. UNESCO is the United Nations cultural arm focused on strengthening our shared humanity. It addresses global issues like climate change and artificial intelligence by conducting research and setting standards for member nations. It also oversees global heritage sites. So that is pretty interesting. Next headline I wanted to hit was from CBS Colorado. Coloradans surveyed. say no to Polis's pedestrian bridge to celebrate the state's 150th birthday and it said the governor set up the statewide survey asking if they wanted the 18 million dollar pedestrian bridge actually I thought it was 28 million dollars to celebrate Colorado's 150th birthday next year. And Colorado became a state in 1876, and the governor admits he didn't expect such a visceral reaction when he released renderings of the Colorado 150 walkway in May. He said over 93% of Coloradans do not want the bridge at the Capitol, so there will be no bridge there. And that is good news, not to spend money on that. Last segment, the federal government has been funding these multimodal transit-orientated bridges. Well, transit projects, which I continue to just, I look at this, I see empty buses, empty trains that are driving around or going up and down the rail lines. And it is money that's just being not even frittered away. It's just wasted away. But this federal money has been used to really push this agenda to try to get people out of their cars. which they don't want people to own cars, private property. They want to put people in transit-orientated developments, which is rental units. Again, no private property there. And we should not be using government money to do this. And so this is from Newsweek. It says, "...Rail Project suffers a blow as Trump cuts $327 million in funding." And he's pulled this from Massachusetts Alston Multimodal Transportation Project after signing a law to end the Neighborhood Access and Equity Program. Democrat Governor Mara Healey and state officials confirmed the rescission, which left the state with only $8 million of the original award and prompted a strategic review of the Multimodal Infrastructure Overhaul Plan for Boston's neighborhood. And this decision followed a recent pattern of federal infrastructure funding reversals under the Trump administration. And in July, the federal government revoked $4 billion previously earmarked for California's, they call it the high-speed rail system, I call it the trains to nowhere. 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Good morning, Kim. Glad to be here.
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Well, I wanted to talk with you about Johnston's, Mayor Mike Johnston's proposal, and I couldn't get my, whether or not it was million or billion, it's close to a billion dollars. It's $935 million in debt that is probably going to be on the ballot for Denverites this November. That's a lot of money, Wendy.
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Yeah, it certainly is, and that's The number as of today, but they keep adjusting it, I notice. Every time, every three or four days, they add and subtract projects. Because, of course, this bond isn't based on a specific need. It is based on the fact that the taxes, that the other bonds previous are going to run out. And they wouldn't want to lower the tax rate that people are paying back on those bonds. So they're The whole purpose in having this huge, humongous bond is to make sure that they don't have to lower the tax rate on property tax, which they would because the other bonds have been paid off.
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Okay. So, Wendy, what you're saying is there has been a bond package that is being paid off. And people have been paying taxes on it. And so instead of lowering taxes, so, for example, if you pay your house off and your house payment goes away, then you have more money in your pocket. So that's kind of what has happened, right, is this house payment is going to go away.
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Yes, it says so in the actual, all the write-up on the city's website. If you go in there and read what the bond proposal is, it says taxes authorized. for bonds in 2007, 2017, and 2021 will be extended and authorized to pay for this new debt. It says without raising debt, but then it also has a little note in there that they can raise the taxes if they have to. In other words, if they have, for some reason, fall short on this. Because after all, this bond is debt. It is just like you and I with our car or our houses. We have to pay it back. They have to pay it. The city has to pay it back. And guess who that is?
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The taxpayers. Well, and you and I were talking about bond language yesterday or ballot language yesterday. And what they start off with is without increasing taxes. But yet if your taxes were going to go down because this debt was paid off, but then you end up taking on this new debt, it really is still a tax increase because your taxes would have gone down. It's really disingenuous ballot language.
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It's lying in my mind because you're not really telling people what you're doing. And I went yesterday and got my tax bill that I paid this spring. And sure enough, there's a line that says city bond fund, you know. And I thought, boy, that's an amount of money that I sure wish I had. And, of course, all of our in Denver, they still are increasing the appraised value of your house. So you definitely are going to be paying more anyway. So I could have used that money. I don't know about the rest of you. But please, I hope all the listeners, if they are not in Denver, are looking at their local communities and what's on the ballot because this is how bonds work. This exact same thing happened in Denver's school bonds a year ago. They were just replacing the bonds that had been paid off so that the money coming in keeps coming in. And so that happens in every community.
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Well, and people had this huge property tax increase because the Gallagher Amendment, which had been in place in our Constitution to put guardrails on increases in property taxes, people have seen significant increases in property taxes. And I'm concerned, Wendy Warner, that people are ultimately going to get taxed out of their homes, right?
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Well, people that are seniors are sure feeling like that, and I'm sure it makes it harder for any young couple or young family to get into housing to begin with. It really is. It makes the total cost of housing very high. But I think the other thing about this bond that just infuriates me is that the mayor was just looking for projects to justify the bond. When they made the first announcement that they were going to have this bond on the ballot, they didn't know what the projects were, so they went and had town meetings all over the place. Hey, folks, what do you want? What goodies can we give you? And when you read this list of projects, which, by the way, are listed by councilman district to make sure that all the The people that are councilmen and councilwomen voted for this, to put this on the ballot. You know, it's just like this wonderful wish list of goodies. It's not like there was something overwhelming that the city needed, you know, to extend this bond, extend the taxes. It's made up projects of goodies, one for everybody in all the neighborhoods.
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so that everybody will vote for it. Well, and that's why we have to shed light on this. This is from Axios. It says, the current project list, as you said, that's a moving target, dedicates the bulk, $427, almost $428 million, to transportation and mobility. Last time I was in Denver, it didn't look to me like they'd been spending much money on roads or bridges. but yet trying to push people out of their cars and making it more difficult for people to park, to access the businesses in Denver, but yet they want to do $428 million for transportation and mobility. What's your thoughts about that, Wendy Warner?
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Well, we see that all the time as they narrow roads for bike paths. The latest is they want to narrow Colorado Boulevard and anybody who's ever driven on that that it's already full with traffic as it is, now they want to take out lanes. You know, just for buses or for bikes. It's just a mess what they're doing.
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And so the answer should be no. Do not give them any more money to do that. Because if you start to turn that spigot off, we can hopefully start to reclaim our state and our city and our country ultimately.
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Hey, Wendy, go ahead. I was just saying we need to send them a message the way that people did on that survey about the bridge. That you already talked about. I was one of those people that filled out that survey and saying, not only no, hell no, you know, we don't want to spend money on that. And that's what we have to start telling government.
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Right. We have to say no. Before we finish up here, Wendy, I wanted to say thank you to our board members. We have an amazing board, and these are all volunteers that are standing up for the taxpayer. And if you live in Colorado, you are a taxpayer because you pay sales tax and all kinds of other taxes and fees. And this group is pretty amazing, Wendy. It's Steve Dorman, Greg Galianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, you, Wendy Warner. Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozori, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. It really is an amazing group that we get to work with.
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I agree. It really is a super group. And it is very eye-opening to be a board member and to see up close all the things that government is trying to do to us, not necessarily for us.
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Well, and government should be limited. And one of the first ways is to limit that is to turn the spigot off of the money. And that is why saying no to this bond package is so important this November. Wendy Warner, your final thought?
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Just vote no on this vibrant Denver bond for $935 million of debt.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That's KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. I wanted to say thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. And I really do appreciate that. They've been sponsors for a long time. And as you know, we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues. Through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if something's a good idea, shouldn't have to force people to do it. And one of the nonprofits that I totally support is the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. And a couple of things that you will want to check out at their website, which is AmericanValueCenter.org, is first of all, Drew Dix's podcast, Words from the Silo. And today's, he's posting these on Wednesdays, is partisan politics. And so really, Drew has such a great perspective on so many things. So be sure and check that out. And then also, September 23rd, they're going to be doing a training on Medal of Honor character development for secondary educators. And check that out as well. That website is AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is Dr. Jill Vecchio. She is one of the few people in America that read the complete Obamacare, Unaffordable Health Care Act. And as we're seeing this play out now in America, she was very prescient in what she was out there talking to people about. Dr. Jill Vecchio, welcome.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, thank you for having me, Kim. Hello, everybody out there. Hope everybody's doing well.
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And Jill, you and I, we really met. This was, gosh, 2011 or 12, I think it was. And Obamacare, the Unaffordable Health Care Act, was being rammed through Congress. And you were out there explaining that socialized medicine, ultimately the price goes out, the quality goes down, and the supply becomes limited. And so let's talk a little bit, and you had a personal experience recently with what are called managed care programs, I guess?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, managed care organizations, that includes a whole bunch of different things. I mean, managed care just means they're trying to control costs by organizing or structuring a certain business model and certain insurance, what they would call like an insurance plan that you could purchase. I mean, we've all looked at, oh, this plan from Cigna has... this high deductible, and I have to use a network of physicians or PPO or HMO. All of those are managed care organizations. And it's really changed a great deal from the original HMOs models that started when I was in medical school in the mid to late 80s. That was where it really started. And then we had HillaryCare. That failed. And then we got Obamacare, which was just HillaryCare 2.0. Obamacare introduced a thing called accountable care organizations. That was a huge push where they're going to use all of these metrics. We're going to improve quality. No, no, no. They just require you to jump through more hoops of stupid metrics that they set up like, oh, we're going to decide whether or not a doctor is treating diabetes correctly in his patient based only on their hemoglobin a1c that's a lab test and if the a1c doesn't go down into a normal range then we may not pay the doctor or we may penalize the doctor not pay him as much because he's not doing the right thing for the patient because the patient this lab test isn't isn't looking good Right. I mean, it's kind of like school. It's like school stuff where they just use the test at the end of the year or whatever for the metric to decide how well that student's education is at that school. Right. I mean, it's the same. It's exactly the same model, but it's not it doesn't include what the patient what their diet is like. Are they taking their insulin correctly? You know, what's their what are their habits like? Are they eating proper diets? Nothing like that. It's only that if this number doesn't look good, then you don't get paid. That's what the Accountable Care Organization garbage that was set up in an Obamacare. The regulations were through this through the roof. That's why so many doctors ended up selling out to these huge physician groups that were then bought out. Some of them were bought out by hospital groups that Obamacare created. the monster that had then created corporate health care running everything we do in our entire health. Everything about your health is run now by corporate health care or government health care, period. And it's kind of like you look around at everything else in your life, every other aspect in your life. You take your car in to get it fixed. You take your pet to the vet. Do you have to go through all this crap? pre-authorizations jump here oh i can't go see this vet because they're not in the network right it's it's we have turned health care into this into this venus fly trap like little shop of horrors or something that we don't we don't treat any other aspect of our lives like this but this was by design This was absolutely by design. Now, and the accountable care organization used Kaiser. So Kaiser California, Kaiser Colorado, Kaiser is a national organization. It's unique in that they not only own the facilities, like own the hospitals, own the imaging centers, own the laboratories. They also own the physician practices. They employ the physicians, all the techs. all the nurses, and they offer the insurance plan as well. That's what's unique about Kaiser. They not only have the facilities like, I mean, Health One, you know, before they owned the facilities and stuff, but then they contracted with physicians. Now they own a ton of physicians as well, as well as all these Banner Health and all that. They own physicians. They employ physicians rather than contract with them. So they contract with some physician groups, but they also actually own them. Since Obamacare took effect, 90% of physician practices are owned by huge corporations or hospital groups. That was because of Obamacare. Only 10% of physicians have any freedoms whatsoever. Again, we've mentioned before, that's how COVID could happen. That's how they could have all that control, forcing doctors to force patients to, you know, all the force, force, force, force from the top down during COVID could only have happened because the hospital corporations owned physician practices. Therefore, they owned the physician. If the physician did not do what the corporation told him to do, the doctor could lose their credentials, lose all of their patients, no patient base, lose Their credibility, they could lose their license, and a lot of them did lose their licenses because they were then prosecuted, but they were made vulnerable because of the way the system was set up. Is that making sense to everybody?
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It does. And so, Jill, what I'm hearing, and this is one of the things that you were talking about, is that it severed that relationship between the doctor and the patient. So if you don't have the same doctor that is seeing you through when you go into the hospital, normally, I guess in the old days, you would have your doctor saying, that was yours, that was watching everything for you. But my understanding now is you may have a different doctor that is on call, and so it's kind of like restarting each time with a new person, whereas Health care is really an art. Everybody's different. And so the old-time country doctors, if you will, I think it was a real art because they were able to realize each human was different and make decisions on it. So it's really more of an art than a science. Your thoughts on that?
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Well, yeah, absolutely. And one of the main things that you mentioned earlier in that statement is we – The number one problem right now, the number one problem with what's happened with health care in the past 65 years, 65 years, is that because thanks to the initiation of Medicare and Medicaid and government intervention, everything going through like your health care is tied to your employment, then we have the insurance companies all in the middle with government and your employer. So the person getting the care, the patient, is now bureaucratically separated by the doctor because of all of these other entities. All of these middlemen, government, health care, your employer, are all interfering in the relationship that should be just between you and your doctor because They're the ones paying for it. We've created this behemoth payment system, and all of them have to make money. You think of, I mean, the health care industry is one-sixth of our economy. Well, at least it used to be. I don't even know what it is now. I imagine it's probably close to that. One-sixth of our economy, and most of them are middlemen, insurance companies. All of the little bureaucrats, all the regulators, all of the coding people, billing people, I mean, administrators, risk management lawyers, right? I mean, all the stuff that every healthcare system has to have. You think of the infrastructure of all of the administrative buildings, of all of these middlemen. Folks, they are middlemen. I mean, do I need some... bureaucratic entity between me and getting my car fixed. And everybody says, oh, well, human, it's so complicated. People don't understand. I don't know how to fix a car. I don't know how the thing works. I don't know how my computer works. I got a geek squad. You know, it's like, we have allowed this ridiculous system to be created that is unnecessary. Let me give you some examples about some of the incentives. Because we talked about some of this. So the managed care organization. So my aunt was in, and emphasize I say was, was in San Diego, California. She had Kaiser, California, which is notoriously terrible, but she, you know, she loved them. And so she got, went into heart failure, and they didn't really do anything about it. They just set her up for another two-week appointment. Within two weeks, she was in the hospital, massive pulmonary edema, huge swelling in her legs at the Kaiser Hospital. in San Diego. This is Kaiser California. Not Kaiser Colorado, Kaiser California, although Kaiser is a national organization. But Colorado, in my opinion, has a much better reputation. Anyway, but it's the same business model. It's the same business model where they do the insurance, they own everything. And they are the template for Obamacare's accountable care organizations like Banner Health that does not have a good reputation up here. Anyway, So Kaiser California, she was in the hospital for two weeks. She had a cardiologist. They never even talked to her cardiologist. The physician, the hospitalist in the hospital never even called her cardiologist to say, we have your patient here. Is there any information you can give us? No, never talked to her. Oh, because they have a whole, you know, they have a central computer system. So they know everything from that. Okay, they never even called because in their system, in a managed care, there's that one piece of pie, right? We've talked about this before. One piece of pie where all the money for the treatment of every patient and paying for every lab test, paying the doctors, everybody is eating out of the same single-sized pie for each patient. So the more expensive a patient's care is, The less the administrators get a bonus, the less everybody can get paid and all that stuff, right? So, yeah, so they never get a cardiology consult. She's in atrial fibrillation. Her heart rate is 130 beats a minute at rest. She walked into the hospital. Within days, she's bedridden, can't get up to go to the bathroom, nothing. They won't call a cardiology consult. After two weeks... They finally got a cardiology consult the day before she was admitted into hospice. And she died 10 days later.
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Oh, boy. Okay, let's go to break. We're talking with Dr. Jill Vecchio regarding managed health organizations and what that means for the American public. I'll ask Dr. Jill if she sees changes on this under RFK Jr. And so we'll continue the discussion. It happens because of our sponsors. We'll talk with him in the next hour. And that's Lorne Levy for Everything Mortgages.
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Welcome back to the Kim Munson Show, and we're going to jump right into it with Dr. Joe Vecchio. After I mentioned the USMC Memorial Foundation, they've got a couple of events coming up. The 48th anniversary of the memorial is August 23rd. There's going to be a special performance by Dave Bray. And tickets, you can get that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And then there is also going to be a 5K run on September 20th. So get all that information at usmcmemorialfoundation.org and support the memorial. It's a great way to say thank you to those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our freedom. On the line with me is Dr. Jill Vecchio. She's one of the few people that read and understood Obamacare, the Unaffordable Care Act, what that would look like, what she said would happen, is happening. And this came in from one of our listeners from GAMI. She said, our medical system was supposed to be personal and private, but it's not anymore. It's really dehumanizing people. And I think that she's right on that.
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Well, 100 percent. And you have to look at the whole model of a managed care organization is based on they collect a bunch of money from people. They decide what kind of care everyone will get, how much every doctor will be paid, all this. It is inherently an unethical system because the incentives are wrong. The incentives are all about minimizing care in order to make money or make the dollars go further. And somebody else is making that decision for us. We're not making that decision. My aunt would have wanted a cardiology consult the minute she got in there. No, she didn't get to make that decision. It is an inherently immoral and unethical business model for health care. when the incentives, the bonus structures in these things are set up such that administrators get huge bonuses if they can force their technologists and nurses and so forth to work harder. I had a very close friend who was a chief nursing officer for a big hospital. And she complained when she finally quit. because they kept asking her over and over every single year. Her bonus was based on how much work she could get out of her nurses. Can we just get them to take care of one more patient per shift? Can we just get them to do one more of this, this, and this? Can we just get them to meet this metric? Can I just, you know, constantly every single year she had to, I'm going to call it abuse her staff because I saw it happening in my breast center. The techs were expected to do more and more and more and more. The doctors were expected to do more and more and more and more that the hospital should have been paying for. I mean, the doctors were doing their own transcription at the end of it. Instead of them paying, instead of the hospital paying for it, we had to take our time and our energy to generate all the reports that they received. originally generated so it's kind of like the hospital always had to save money save money save money that's how the administrator and the administrators were ones that got a bonus for that not the nurses that had to work harder the administrators because they made the company more money okay do you see this change unethical system if you're talking about health care
SPEAKER 04 :
Do you, well, so the capitalistic model would be that people will, that they would use their dollars to go to a doctor or a hospital that does a good job, and that's how they would make money is because the market would demand that. Do you see that RFK Jr. is going to address this?
SPEAKER 10 :
I haven't heard that anybody's really going to address this because I haven't heard that anybody thinks that it is the inherently the base of the problem. Nobody. Everybody's trying to make managed care the answer to the problem. Remember Mike Pence? Well, I don't know if you remember, but Mike Pence, part of the reason that. that everybody's so excited about him being Trump's vice VP was because he was a health care guy. He fixed, quote, fixed Medicaid in Indiana by turning it into a managed care organization. Well, it's kind of like, well, at least he got something passed and he, you know, everybody's happy with it at first. But at the same time, managed care organizations are not the answer to the problem. The answer to the problem is get the middlemen out of there as much as possible, just like we talked about. Bring it back to the patient and the doctor by posting decent, reasonable cash prices that are reflective of what the physicians are already being paid by the insurance companies and third-party payers. We're not asking for a huge discount. Just give us the opportunity to pay you the same that you're being reimbursed from the hospital, from third-party payers. We're not asking for Medicaid prices, okay? But even if you did that, if you put that across the board for Medicare and Medicaid, doctors would be making great money.
SPEAKER 04 :
But that cuts out all the middle people. Exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Doctors, yes. And doctors could get, they would be incentivized to get out of those oppressive, obnoxious, you know, like weird incentive programs of the accountable care organizations, managed care organizations that have their fingers in everything the doctor can do. You can't prescribe this medication. We don't have, you know, we don't contract. We don't have that contract. You can't have this piece of equipment because we don't have that contract. You have to pick out a piece of crap ultrasound machine from this manufacturer instead of the one that's really going to do the best job for you from this manufacturer because we don't have a contract with the one you want. I mean, this is a daily thing that doctors have to deal with. God, just dump them, folks. Dump them. You'll make better money, have more autonomy if you did not have to work with these middlemen. I don't know why doctors are so, so frightened of it. Like, gosh, you could have so much more autonomy. You could have the freedom to see as many patients as you want, as few patients as you want. You could work two days a week, three days a week. Everybody's like, oh, I'm just going to be tied down. I'm going to be on call all the time. You don't have to work it out that way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so we have just about a minute left. Your aunt that passed on 10 days after she went to the hospital, did you say? Well, the whole thing took about a month.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
So was she was she in? Was she having significant health challenges? Anyway?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, no, she had some pain when she was 87. I mean, she had some pain stuff, but she just got this atrial fibrillation as an outpatient. So the cardiologist Oh, yeah, you have atrial fibrillation. We'll make a follow up appointment two weeks. I think they put her on, you know, blood thinner kind of thing. Don't know. And then she went into massive failure. And went into the ER. They admitted her. She never walked again. Yeah. And then the whole, you know, they weren't able to control her heart rate. And, you know, it's not worth going into all that. But the fact is, it's like I'd talk to these doctors. They'd be calling me because I'm over her financial affairs and stuff. Anyway, but they'd call me. I would be shaking on the phone, taking notes. I was so angry. I said to one of the doctors at the end of the call, I said, she was a resident. And I said, please do not use Kaiser Permanente as your template for how you practice medicine. Please, God, don't do that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow, okay. And this is, Jill, this is your personal experience on that. We're out of time, but Dr. Jill, we'll have you on again next month. We're talking about health care. And, wow. Okay, Dr. Jill, thank you. Okay, thank you, Kim. Take care, everybody. And our quote for the end of the show is Frederick Bastiat, who said this, Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was in the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for our number two.
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And next week, the Fed meets. Any crystal ball predictions on what's going to happen with the 10-year Treasury, which actually affects mortgage rates?
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You know, I wish I did. I'm watching headlines like everybody else. I know there's pressure, not necessarily from anyone in particular, but I know some of the Federal Reserve guys have spoken lately just when they're allowed to that they think there might be a time to move in July. So I think the percentage likelihood has gone up a little bit. I just don't know how much it's gone up. So it wouldn't surprise me to see either way, quite frankly, that they lower or they don't do anything again. because the data for the economy is holding up strong, but there's a lot of pressure from the outside to cut rates. So either way it could go. Again, like everyone else, I want it to go down because that's good for business, but I just don't know what's going to happen.
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Well, Ann, this was posted on The Hill this morning at 4 a.m. our time. It says Trump backs off on Powell threats for now. So Trump has really been – well, he's been calling for Jerome Powell to step down as chairman of the Fed. And I saw a picture of Jerome Powell. He looks like he's aged a lot lately.
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Oh, my God, yeah. That's what I always say. Yeah. It's a tough job. It's a stressful job because of this – it's thankless kind of like you know people always looking at you like you did something wrong um but that's a lot of government jobs i mean i remember george w bush when he went in and when he came out after eight years and he looked like he'd been there for 40. um so it seems to happen to a lot of these guys yeah well does does the president who decides on who is the uh fed chair is it that's the thing it's an appointed position And so he's not supposed to fire him. He really can't. If he fired him, he might leave, but then he could push back and say, no, you don't have the right to fire me, and it would go further. People forget that Donald Trump was the one that appointed Powell in the first place in his first term. So he is a Trump appointee. And then now he doesn't like the way he's been performing. So I don't really know that he can fire him. He can certainly bluster a lot and try to get him to quit. But if he does fire him, he might just step aside because it would be a circus. But he could also say, no, you don't have the right to do that and fight it. He only has, I want to say, six to eight months left in his term anyhow. And so Trump will get to appoint the next one as well. And they're already talking about who that might be. But Trump, I think the biggest thing people forget, it's not so much that Trump wants mortgage rates to go down, it's why he wants to lower rates. Because a quarter point here, a half point there is not going to do anything. a ton right away to lower mortgage rates. But where it really will help is on the debt. And it'll cut the interest that our country owes on our debt by a lot every time they move the rate down. So that's really what he wants because, you know, there's been a lot of controversy on the big beautiful bill as to how much debt it might cause. And either way, it would cut the interest payments on all the debt if they lowered rates.
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Okay. And who are they talking about as a possible replacement?
SPEAKER 20 :
They've interviewed a few guys. When you watch Fox News, Fox Business News Channel, or even CNBC, those guys they talk to, I really don't know. I don't know a lot of these guys, to be honest, Kim, because they're behind the scenes. They're not big-time politicians. Some of them are Wall Street guys. Some of them are guys that are in the administration now. So I don't really know. Even when I see them and I hear them, I don't remember their names, just honestly.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. And again, what's your number? 303-880-8881. Okay, Lorne Levy, thank you so much, and I think you and Karen are going to be in studio next week, so we'll be looking forward to that.
SPEAKER 20 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That's kimmunson.com. It is Wednesday, so that means it's a Trent Luce Wednesday. Trent Luce is a sixth-generation farmer and rancher who has been shedding light on the issues that the people that feed and fuel us are facing. And he's been doing that for at least 20 years. Trent Luce, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 15 :
We're bumping on 26. It's been 25. Thanks, Kim.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my gosh. Time flies when you're having fun, huh? And there's a lot to talk about. But the other day, this last weekend, Trent, I had two young people that knocked on my door. They were asking for donations to an organization called Heifer International, like the cow, the heifer. And very nice and very, just very fervent in wanting to do something to help the world, if you will. The program is to try to, they say that they're trying to reduce hunger in the world, which I love. But I said to them, and it's been at least four or five years since I've looked at it, but my gut feeling is it was one of these globalist organizations that sounded good, but that there's really this globalist agenda behind it. So I said to them just that, that I hadn't looked at it, but I felt there was this globalist kind of political agenda and that I wasn't going to give anything at this time, but I really do believe in eradicating racism. hunger and poverty. And the young woman said, gosh, nobody said that to us before. And so I pulled out my phone. I was trying to get some information. I couldn't nail anything down. And so I thought, I'm going to ask Trent Luce what he thinks about Heifer International.
SPEAKER 15 :
So Heifer International, I used to spend a lot of time on this and things like this, Kim. And honestly, until You and I talked about we were going to talk about this yesterday. I hadn't given HEPA International a lot of thought, and I didn't do a lot more digging other than I do know there are many global partners like GlobalCitizen.org, which are partners and bragging about being partners with HEPA International since 2015. And on the surface, you're right. You give money. They go buy a goat. and they provide a goat to a community or a cow or whatever the case may be, in theory, all of that sounds ideal because you don't want to give somebody a handout. You want to give them something that enables them to provide their own essentials of life. And yet it just seems like I had the same exact feel that you have, and I've had that from the get-go when I actually learned about it. Where's the accountability on the amount of money that you give and how it actually goes to help people in the numbers of the mass amount of money. It seems as though we come up with all of these great ideas that revolve around food and fuel, and yet I don't know where the accountability is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Good point. And I was just doing some additional looking around on their website, and I'd missed this as I had done this quick look at this. But when it gets, if you get down to, and again, this sounds great, and you have these young people that they're out there, they're asking for money. And the other thing that she said is that whatever money I would give, they had somebody that was going to match that nine times, right? And I thought, wow, that's a lot. Who is that person? And in some ways, these organizations are doing data gathering, although I'm not sure you have to do that anymore by going door to door because it's all being collected on us anyway. But now as I get down to some of their focus areas, one of them is climate and environment. And as I look down here a little further, It says that in 2023, heifer programs are estimated to have sequestered carbon equivalent to taking about 2.3 million cars off the road. I'm thinking maybe that's bingo there. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I thought you would keep digging and get to the other part that should be most concerning to everybody. Since I think the year was 2017, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have partnered with Heifer International, and I quite frankly don't know. It's tailor-made for Bill Gates, and I'm guaranteeing you he's one of those people that's giving that money to match. And that guy doesn't do anything that benefits humanity, benefits himself, and garners control. And that data mining you talk about, I really think that's the driving force.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. And so I, yeah, I think that my gut feeling was on that. Correct, as well as and you, you add in the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and they have not really been that interested in having everyday people thrive and prosper. But this is what's so fascinating about these organizations. Here I have these young, fresh-faced young people that they're going door to door because I think deep down they care about, they think that they're doing something to help people, to help eradicate poverty and hunger. when, in essence, it's pushing this globalist agenda. And the globalists are pretty smart on this in a diabolical way.
SPEAKER 15 :
42.5 million from Bill and Melinda Gates in 2008 to Heifer International. So I want to spend a moment on that because, you know, 25 years ago, you mentioned how long I've been doing this. I got started because I was genuinely concerned about the misinformation that the animal rights community was sharing about animal agriculture. I'm sixth generation, and every generation we've been about animal agriculture in my family, and it's really what drives humanity. And I can walk through that at any point in time. But I knew that these folks had this angst, and they moved away from animal rights as much as it was back 20 years ago, but we still had this drive to eliminate Just put this into context. Heifer International is promoting the way that we sustain communities is buy a cow for people to milk and make a living from, not make a living, but generate their food, their nutrition. And yet in the United States, every day we deal with some issue that tries to eliminate cows from our life. So if Heffrey International is taking the only money they get to buy a cow to improve humanity, why are we trying to get rid of cows?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, that's a good point.
SPEAKER 15 :
And then what I learned by this animal rights, because when there was an animal rights convention, I would go. I would just go. I wanted to meet the people. I remember one very clearly. A couple hundred people showed up in Alexandria, Virginia. at an animal rights convention, and I just want to listen and talk to people. And what you described, those two young people who have no ill intent whatsoever, that is exactly what I found. And I use Kate as the example all the time because there literally was a Kate. And she walked up to me because I write on my tag when I'm at an event like that, Trent Luce, sixth generation livestock farmer. I want them to know I raised livestock. I'm proud of that. And every day, the first day, they're kind of standoffish. Second day, they start kind of like, oh, I've got to talk to this guy. There's something going on. He's still here. And this young lady, she's probably 20 years old. Her name is Kate. She's from Detroit. She came up to me. She said, are you really a farmer? I said, yes, proud to be sixth generation in livestock. And she said, I always wondered what would happen if I met a farmer. And you think about how disconnected that person is. But what these NGOs thrive on is taking the innocence, and they really go after a demographic of young people who grew up in affluent families who haven't done work. They didn't need to go to work. They didn't work at XYZ fast food shop. They didn't work at a gas station. They lived off mom and daddy's dime. And they get into college, and all these other friends that they have, they had a job or they did something. They're like, oh, man, I got to have something I stand for. I got to have something I'm doing to make life better. I love my dog. I wonder what I can do to help dogs. So then they go to the Internet and they search and they find out, you know, there's this poverty situation in East Africa. Well, that sounds like a great deal. I'm going to go help. So these organizations go for the public for profit by using the innocence of these young people who just want to make a better place in the world.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think that that is the case. And so as I am digging deeper into this Heifer International, what you and I had both researched about four or five years ago is still out there. And that is the other thing. So with all these different organizations, I remember my father. He said, I farm because I want to take care of my family and I want to feed other human beings. I want to feed the world. And don't you remember at the back of magazines many times there would be an advertisement. It would be some little African child that looked like the child needed food and say, help us farm. eradicate hunger throughout the world. And we were getting darn close to that before the globalist elites agenda kicked in, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 15 :
I actually have numbers. In 1920, there were 2 billion people on the planet. 80% of the 2 billion people were considered food insecure. 2025, there are 8 billion people on the planet. And 20% of the people on the planet are considered food insecure. We have made massive strides in eliminating food insecurity. And now that's all at risk because of what you just said there and what we discuss on a regular basis.
SPEAKER 04 :
And the globalist elites think that there's too many people. And they don't want people to thrive and prosper. So that's one of the reasons there's this disconnect between with what Heffer International on the surface says that they want to do is to help people and help them thrive and prosper. But yet the people, the globalist elites behind that, that's not really where they're at. And so I do think that it's... Well, the other thing is if they get your buy-in, you've given money to the organization, then you're going to get all of their emails and all of their indoctrination. And that's one of the reasons why they had somebody that's going to match your giving strategy. Nine times, if you can believe it. So we're going to continue the discussion with Trent Luce. We have all these discussions because of our sponsors. But we talk about freedom all the time. And financial freedom, economic freedom is so important. And it starts with the right guide. And Mint Financial Strategies can help. As an independent firm with over 25 years of experience and their credentials of an accredited investment fiduciary, they offer advice that's focused on you, not a sales quota. Their strategy-first approach is all about helping you live life on your terms with clarity, confidence, and control. Call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080, your path to independent financial confidence.
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SPEAKER 04 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That's KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. And the two nonprofits that I feature on a regular basis on the show, first of all, is the Center for American Values, which they are doing amazing work. The center is located in Pueblo on the Riverwalk. And A couple of things that are occurring right now is Drew Dix, one of the co-founders, is doing a podcast. And his most recent podcast is, I think it's regarding partisan politics. And that was posted this morning. So check that out at AmericanValueCenter.org. And then also the USMC Memorial Foundation website. has a couple of events coming up. One of those in August to celebrate their 48th anniversary. So get more information about that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org and the Center for American Values is americanvaluescenter.org. Trent Luce is on the line, sixth generation farmer and rancher. We're talking about a global nonprofit called Heifer International. And the premise behind it is to help people in third world countries thrive and prosper by buying them a goat or a calf that they can raise and that they can use for food and maybe a business. And that all sounds like a really great idea. There's the however on that, Trent Luce. And Ben, one of our listeners, said that heifers create emissions and And then I just mentioned on their website that they said that they were able to lower the emissions equivalent to 2.3 million cars. How do we connect that dot, Trent Luce?
SPEAKER 15 :
First of all, emissions enable plant life and continued growth. People know that. They continue to lie so they can control food and fuel supplies. And I'm just, anybody who tells me today about clean energy, anybody that tells me today about Whatever is contributing to emissions, I just remind them that the four greenhouse gases that the United States government is trying to mitigate and reduce are all for plant food. At the top of that list is CO2. And we're trying to eliminate our plant food. What does that tell us?
SPEAKER 04 :
Definitely. Next thing Ben also did, he asked the question, then he answered it. He said, what percentage is going to administrative costs? Then he did a little work. 28% for administrative and fundraising costs. That's a lot.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is a lot, although I expected it to be on the top side of 50%, to be honest. Well, that's what... Ben's doing great work here.
SPEAKER 04 :
Ben is doing great work. That's another thing that I did learn, though, when I was serving on the board of Lutheran Family Services, is sometimes they have a line item for administrative costs, then they have a line item for development costs, and then they may take some of those administrative costs and push them out to the different programs because that supposedly is helping administrate those particular programs. And so it can be, I don't know for sure what they're doing exactly, but it can be a sleight of hand from an accounting standpoint.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because we have had websites that go through 990s. Everybody who does this type of work submits a 990. You go through the website or you can go to a website that will give you all of this data. And you're exactly right. They have their administrative costs, but then they have an administrative fee that that is tied to the implementation. It's not called administrative. It's implementation fee so that we can hide this somewhere else. I would be willing to bet an organization like this is that 50% goes to the people that work there not to benefit families that are trying to promote and put in their brochures. And I clearly remember that Ethiopian pot-bellied kid that was so used back in the 70s and 80s to be that kid that represented the challenges in feeding the world.
SPEAKER 04 :
And people contributed. They gave money to these different organizations because we care about people. And that model where people gave money of their own money instead of big government programs is important. But yet that was also used to create these government programs as well. And I really like the fact that Trump is walking this back. This whole thing with him getting out of UNESCO, I think, is huge.
SPEAKER 15 :
I would like to have some numbers because I believe it would just appall people if they knew the amount of money that was given to a nonprofit for the benefit of animals as opposed to people. Because I can tell you the two largest animal rights organizations in the United States, not the world, in the United States, have annual operating budgets equivalent to half a billion dollars, $500 million. And that's just two of them, Kim.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think Dennis Prager said this. I'm going to attribute it to him. He said that people that love children normally love animals, but not all people that love animals love children. And that has been one of the big disconnects that I've seen, that people that care about animals, which is great, but yet are very pro-abortion. I've thought that's a big disconnect. I don't think people have really thought that through.
SPEAKER 15 :
I am yet to meet someone in an animal rights environment, whether that be just in my everyday communications, my travel, at a convention, whatever the case may be, who did not emulate what you just said. They do not want me to take the life of an animal to improve and sustain human life. but they are all about abortion and killing a baby of their own. That just fundamentally is flawed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it is. And it's really been through indoctrination, through culture, our education system. And that's why the work that you're doing, the work that we're doing here is to engage in this culture battle, this battle of ideas is so important. We've got just a few minutes left. We've got something very special for the very last segment of the show. So just tell us what you're up to this week. What's the other thing that you'd like people to know about?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I had the opportunity. I was alerted by a radio listener actually in Yarrington, Nevada, about Papa Jake. And Papa Jake was 102 years old. I had him on all of my shows in December and did it virtually. And the funniest thing I want to tell you about Papa Jake is, you know, he's 102. And when we started, I said – Jake, I'd sure like to get 20 minutes out of you because that's what Trent on the Loose needs is about 20 minutes of content, right? Kim, an hour and a half later, I said, Papa Jake, I got to go. And Papa Jake is what was reported as the last survivor of Omaha Beach and D-Day. In fact, he walked through how he was in charge of the command that night on the beach and And he was just an amazing man. Grew up on a farm, Owatonna, Minnesota. We hit it off right away. I just wish I could have been sitting there with him instead of doing it virtually. He became this TikTok superstar with over a million followers. And he had a granddaughter that was just fantastic at making all of that happen. But his wit and his wisdom and the experiences that he brought. We lost Papa Jake last Thursday, so... I'll be doing a tribute to him this week on my broadcast. He represents and embodies, and I know you've got a tribute coming up for Colonel Rutledge, which is absolutely, there is so much wisdom in the people of that generation. I hope all of us stop for a moment and spend some time just listening to people who have been there and done that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, absolutely. And so stay tuned. Yes, today is Colonel Rutledge's 97th birthday. And Colonel Rutledge, I got to know him through a good friend of mine, Laurie, up in Fort Collins. And Colonel Rutledge has traveled the world. And so we're going to give him a little shout out here. And we get to do this because of our sponsors. If you have been injured, be sure and reach out to John Bozen and Bozen Law.
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And welcome back. It is a great day to be alive, and today is a very special day. It is the 97th birthday of Colonel Bill Rutledge, and you know him. He's a regular guest on the show, and he's traveled the world. He has this interest in everyday people and places. And he will give me a call. He said, Kim, I just finished this book on, I think this would be really interesting for your listeners. He had connected me with the people back in Williamsburg. And we had one of the guys that reenacts Lafayette as one of our guests. And it makes the show richer with all of this great information that he shares with us. Colonel Bill Rutledge is on the line. Colonel Rutledge, happy birthday.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 04 :
And we've got some special people lined up, and if you would like to text me a happy birthday to Colonel Rutledge, do that at 720-605-0647. But first up to wish you happy birthday is Trent Luce. So, Trent Luce, what do you have to say to Colonel Rutledge?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, happy birthday. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your leadership and continuing to live young. But I'm going to just come and sit down with you and sit and have a chat for like an hour one day, if that's okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
That'd be good. You'll have to come up to Fort Collins.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don't care where I got to go. I have wheels. I have a mule. If I can't get fuel, Colonel Rutledge, I can ride my mule to see you.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. That would be great.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Hey, Trent, thanks so much. And we're going to organize these lines because we have other people ready to say happy birthday. So, Trent, have a good week. We'll talk with you next week.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thanks, guys.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Let's celebrate America by saying thank you to our veterans.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Brad Beck is on the line. Brad Beck, I know that you have a very special pair of cufflinks that had been Colonel Rutledge's. Brad Beck, welcome.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, thank you, Kim, and happy birthday, Colonel Ledledge. It's always a privilege to hear your voice and to get the wisdom and just the enthusiasm for life every time I hear you, and I am so grateful for the gift you gave to Kim to give to me when you said you don't know who to give these to, and I have those cufflinks that have the Toastmasters International emblem on them, and I've wore them several times, and almost channeling you every time I wear them. So thank you for your service. Thank you for your kindness. And thank you for what you've done for our great American country as we come into 250 years.
SPEAKER 16 :
I want to mention something to you. Those cufflinks were given to me at the Air Force Academy. I was a member of the Toastmasters Club there, and I was leaving there, coming up to CSU for another assignment, It was sort of a going-away gift, and I held on to them all these years until I gave them to Kim, who gave them to you. So they're good luck charms.
SPEAKER 12 :
They are, and I'm so grateful for them and for you and how you've enriched everybody who listens to Kim's shows. Many stories that you've told, I had the privilege of listening to your great-grandfather, Colonel James Wilson Browne. last night, and it just brought a big smile to my face. So thank you, sir, for all you have done.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, thank you for calling.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Next up is Sandra Lahl. She's one of our very loyal listeners. Sandra, what's your thoughts?
SPEAKER 06 :
Good morning, Kim, and dear Colonel Rutledge, happy birthday. I have a little verse here for you. Your birthday... is rich in reminders of the Heavenly Father's love for you. And I am so grateful for you. You walk us down memory lane. You share these beautiful experiences with us. You are a gift to us in the Kim Munson KLC family. Thank you. Happy birthday. Have a glorious day.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you, and I'm blessed with two great ladies, my mother and my wife of 69 years.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. I love it when you take us down memory lane. It's like going through a little time capsule with you, that we're walking alongside with you.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I actually believe in guardian angels, and I truly believe that that's my mother.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. Yes. Yes. Sandra, thank you so much. And so Colonel Rutledge, we've got some others, and I wanted Joe. I know Joe has some wishes that he'd like to give for you as well, but he's working on the lines on this, and we've got a couple of other people that we will have. But while we're waiting to do that, give us a reflection of 97 years.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, people ask me sometimes, how did you get this far? And I say often good genes and good luck, but also good friends and the two ladies of my life, my mother, who I truly believe is a guardian angel, and my wife, Virginia, 69 years together and seven years before that as teenagers. So all of these people have contributed greatly. to me being here on the phone with you today.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and we are blessed to do so. We have another person on the line, Yvonne Piaz. Yvonne, what's your wishes for Colonel Rutledge?
SPEAKER 07 :
Happy birthday, Colonel Rotledge. I have enjoyed your interviews and stories on the Kim Munson Show so much. So from an Army gal to a great Air Force guy, happy birthday. Thank you for your service, and many, many more birthdays to come.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, thank you, and I hope your Army days were as pleasant and rewarding as mine were in the Air Force.
SPEAKER 07 :
A true adventure they were. So thank you. I'm sure there's others who want to wish you a happy birthday. Happy birthday, sir.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good. Thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
And this is coming in on the text line. This is from Gammy. She said, happy birthday, Colonel Rutledge, and thanks for showing us getting older does not mean stop fighting for America. We stay strong. So that's from Gammy. This is coming in. And this, I think this is from Ben. He says, happy birthday, Colonel Rutledge. Thank you for making this world a better place. God bless you. And again, if you have birthday wishes, 720-605-0647, 720-605-0647. And Colonel Rutledge, what are you going to be doing today?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I've already walked my dog and fed her. And at 10 o'clock, I have an appointment with the dentist. That was set up six months ago, not knowing that there would be anything else in conflict. And this is not in conflict because it's at 10 o'clock local time. And my son and his wife are going to come over and we're going to have lunch together. And then I will continue writing about the storms. in 1900 in Galveston, Texas.
SPEAKER 04 :
And we will be doing a show on that in September, which is right around the corner, because that's when the Galveston flood was, and you said, Kim, we need to talk about that. We have another caller on the line with us, and that is Alan Thomas. Alan, welcome.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, thanks for having me, Kim, and happy birthday, Colonel Rutledge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, thank you.
SPEAKER 14 :
It was very providential that Kim said it was your birthday this weekend because I turned the TV on and the Open was on this weekend. And I remembered to call it the Open because you always give us such interesting pieces of knowledge. And you were just top of my mind this weekend anyway because of everything going on. So thank you for always bringing your insights and being so prepared and passing along history. I always love learning history from you.
SPEAKER 16 :
I learn more than you learn because I try to research things before I share them with those in the KLZ audience.
SPEAKER 14 :
You do. You know, when I got to interview you, when I guest hosted, I was amazed by how much you had prepared. And I just wish we always had so much longer to get through all of it. You have so much to pass along.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is. It's great information. Alan, thanks so much for your call in as well. And Ron, one of our callers, had called in to say happy birthday. Also, Colonel Rutledge. We've got a couple of minutes left. On your 97th birthday, what's your message to Coloradans and Americans?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I feel that people should have a good attitude and work hard and be kind to people that they associate with.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think those are great words to live by, Colonel Rutledge. So we wish you a very happy birthday. And actually, Joe, now that we've got all of the lines, I think you had something that you wanted to say as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
I just wanted to say happy birthday, Colonel Rutledge, and thank you for the fountain of knowledge that you are. I learn something every time we talk, and we get to talk pretty often sometimes, and it is always something new. So thank you so much for the knowledge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, it's always a pleasure to make contact with you. And as I said, I learned a great deal. And I'm very fortunate that I've had the opportunity to work with you and with Kim because it's made more meaning to my life.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you are enriching listeners and our lives. This is coming in from a listener as well, wishing Colonel Rutledge a very happy birthday. Thank you for your service, sir. You are a great American. I hope your birthday is filled with everything that makes you smile and maybe a little cake and ice cream too. Another listener, and that's from Lynn. And so Colonel Rutledge, my life is richer because we have met. I've learned so much from you and we become friends. And I appreciate your support of all that we do and that your curiosity, I think that's one of the things that has kept you so young, is your curiosity about people and and places and our history. And these are the things that we need to hold on to as we are looking forward to reclaim this Colorado that we love in this, what I call the third founding of America. So happy birthday, Colonel Rutledge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you. Kim, I want to mention something. One of the gentlemen called me last week, and he apparently is going to be a candidate for governor, or at least he's going to probably be in the primaries. And I asked him if he knew Kim Munson. He said, Oh, yes, I've been on our program several times. And he was really soliciting my support. And I told him, I said, Look, we have the primaries ahead of us. And the key is this, I am going to support whoever Kim supports, because she knows more about the government than anyone that I know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. Okay. Well, stay tuned on that. So, Colonel Rutledge, have a blessed day, and we will talk to you very soon.
SPEAKER 16 :
Very good. Thank you. Thank you. Goodbye.
SPEAKER 04 :
And our quote for the end of the show is from Frederick Bastiat, who said this, life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
SPEAKER 17 :
I don't want no one to cry, but tell them if I don't.
SPEAKER 19 :
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