Join Logan and Jordan Sekulow as they navigate through pressing political narratives in America. With the midterm elections looming, the left appears to be adopting a page from Trump's playbook, crafting new martyrs out of legal tangles to spark political fervor. Amid spirited discussions, the episode explores the nuances of political lawfare, revealing how these strategies could redefine campaigning. Additionally, the spotlight turns to Tulsi Gabbard's surveillance concerns—a shocking revelation that's stirring debates on privacy and civil liberties. Don't miss this engaging session as the ACLJ team breaks down complex issues with simplicity and clarity, ensuring their audience stays informed and empowered.
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Today on the show, the left's midterm election strategy has been revealed.
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And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. Will Haynes is joining me in studio. This is Logan Sekulow. Man, we're rocking and rolling. I hear that. It was like the music was pumping through my veins. We got Jordan Sekulow, my brother, joining us live in studio in the second half hour. And we're going to be taking your phone calls at 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. As, of course, all elections, whenever this happens, it feels like, hey... If it worked for the Republicans, maybe we need to take it on ourselves. And it looks like that is what's happened. Again, as politics always flip-flops, as campaign strategies always flip-flop, as promises are always broken, and things like this seem to happen in politics all the time. Of course, we are still talking somehow about Congresswoman McIver. Yes, the one who broke into the ICE facility, got arrested, got detained, wouldn't take a plea deal, and now, as expected, they're fundraising off of it that's right and emails came in this morning specifically from a name most of us had never heard Until the last week. And that is from Congresswoman McIver. And now it's essentially saying that this is going to be lawfare. At the same time, you have Andrew Cuomo also saying, hey, this is political, what do they call it? Political interference or election interference for them investigating some of how New York treated COVID. Those are the real talking points now coming from the left. It's very clear where they're going from. What they saw was that the conservatives were able to rile up a base and that every time President Trump was charged with a crime, every time that there was some sort of new in-court appearance, it did nothing except to get people more motivated to vote for President Trump because they could see right through the politics of it. Now they're claiming it's the same, but now for them. Because when it happens to them, it has to now be lawfare. It has to be some sort of election interference. It can't be the fact that there are actual issues that came upon here. Not theoretical ones. Not ones that could be, you know, maybe interpreted or misinterpreted. You're talking about someone who broke into an ICE facility, got into a physical fight, had to be removed,
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now claiming the trump administration is going after me that's right so what you're seeing here is a very cynical ploy by the left in dc to try to replicate what happened to president trump but by conjuring this up in a way so you have a congresswoman that went for a political stunt got charged with assault. Actually, her hearing is this morning, so stay tuned. We may hear something out of that if there's a bond set or something like that. But now, instead of taking the plea deal, saying, ah, this can be good, this is almost the test case for the Democrats as they look forward to the next election cycle. If they can raise a lot of money off this, if they can make Representative LaMonica McIver a household name someone most of the country probably even a lot of people in her district had never even heard of then you bet they are going to replicate this strategy around the country and instead of it being prosecutors real welfare trying to figure out and come up with and hunt around for charges they could charge President Trump with to keep him out of office these are now Democrats trying to find ways they can get charged so that they can stay
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At the time, you described it, and so did your colleagues who are with you, as being assaulted by multiple ICE agents. Is that part of the argument that you want to make now and that you plan to make in court as you proceed here?
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So I definitely plan on making that argument in court. I can't wait to have my day in court, you know, where we can have due process, which this administration has stripped many of being able to have due process. But I'm looking forward to that, to telling the truth. about what happened on that day.
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Yeah, so again, she looks forward to telling the truth about what happened that day. Due process, I can't wait to have my day in court. Why? Because, well, again, this is razzle dazzle. This is a showman at work. And you know what? That is part of today's political landscape. Unfortunately, that is just the truth. It's what happens. You see something that works, you're going to replicate it. You're going to start using it in fundraising or start sending out emails from someone that a week ago we didn't even know the name of. I currently couldn't even tell you the district that she's in. This is someone who is brand new to the political scene, if you will. Clearly not brand new in terms of her, she's been elected, but in terms of the national scene, and they're seeing a moment. And look, again, everything's marketing. Everything's publicity. I understand that greatly. It's part of what we do here at the ACLJ. It's part of what we do here on Secular. You gotta promote. You gotta get out there. You gotta talk. You gotta do it. The difference is, is you don't just steal from the other side, change the playbook. But this is what happens historically in Washington.
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That's right. This is the playbook that they mocked. They mocked President Trump for saying that they were politically motivated prosecutions, even though you had anyone, even all the way to Bill Maher, saying it's very obvious what they're doing here. These are politically motivated prosecutions. And when you think about the types of prosecutions that were happening against President Trump, you think about the documents case when obviously Joe Biden was looked at and then got the her report, which now we find out was a very accurate description of his state. But however, it was justice for no accountability for President Biden. But they still went forward against President Trump. You think about how they tried to use the 14th Amendment against him, saying he was a part of an insurrection, even though he had never been charged with that and didn't have an opportunity to have due process in that. She talks about due process in that bite. And yet they were going around the country trying to take him off the ballot. That is lawfare. That is finding an angle and then exploiting it for political gain, using the law in that context. What they're doing here is they're co-opting the same playbook that they once mocked President Trump for doing. In reality, prosecutors aren't going around coming up with a falsified business records count. We'll think you overvalued your property. So therefore, we're going to try to take half a billion dollars from you. What they're doing is we got to go cause a ruckus, not take a plea deal so we can be charged. And then we can say this is off there. Look what they're doing to us. Instead of it being the prosecutors trying to come up with a charge. It's almost like the politicians themselves are like, where can I go find a way to get charged so that I can exploit this and send out fundraising emails. They send out a fundraising text. This isn't just from her office. This is from the DCCC. That's the Democrat Congressional Campaign Committee. That's the major fundraising arm for Democrat House candidates. So it's not just her. It's all Democrats trying to raise money for congressional campaigns off of this story. so why wouldn't they take a plea deal well I mean there could be many motives for not wanting to take it and one could be innocent of saying I don't want to have anything saying that I did something wrong but the other angle to it is definitely if she said sure it's a plea of disorderly conduct or something over you can't raise money off of it move on real quickly that's kind of how it works
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So to me, it's very clear. And look, again, I'm not saying there's not necessarily anything wrong with it. I'm just saying it's, you know, be transparent about it. Look at it from the big picture. The big picture is they see this as a marketing and PR moment. And of course, there is a question of how you respond. I want to take a call, actually, George in Tennessee, because he's asking that question. I think it needs to at least, we need to open up that question. George, go ahead.
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Hey, good afternoon. Thank you guys for taking my call. I appreciate it. Hey, so what the Congresswoman, I forget her name now, but whatever her name is. MacIver, yes. MacIver, thank you. So clearly what she's doing is it's a money play. It's a notoriety play. That's apparent. But here's my dilemma. So this week, President Trump is having his crypto meeting. So how is that play and that stunt any different than what President Trump is doing this week to raise money through his crypto ventures? Like they both seem like they're offsetting in terms of how far away they are from the intention of our political process. So can you guys help me think through that?
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Look, I'm not sure exactly the details of what you're talking about, so I don't want to act like I'm an expert here, but I will say that you are right in the sense that I think political marketing, political PR, fundraising, all this, we've all been inundated with it over the last, look, it's nonstop. It used to be you had about a month leading up to an election and then you stopped getting those text messages. You stopped getting those emails. You stopped getting, but now it is nonstop daily. Why? Because they figured out that as of right now, that's what works. So I guess if you don't want it that way, don't respond to it that way. I mean, I was getting texts yesterday. I was sending these guys from political campaigns. And a lot of times, look, the truth is the people who are running the marketing, They may not even care about the candidate. They may not even care. They are running on tried and true ways to raise money and to get support behind all the different things. It's not about to me whether she should be able to raise money on this. I got no problem with that. It's more, that's the motive. The motive is marketing. The motive isn't marketing. truly actually caring about these people. It's caring about yourself. It's building a brand. That's where we need to look at it. You look at it from a motive. You need to look at it from, do these people actually care about what they're saying? It's the messages that we've always had. where they'll say the Republicans are the ones that have all of these problems that are racist and do that. And then when you really look at the policies, you really look down and who is actually keeping a lot of these communities down, who is actually not doing the jobs of feeding the homeless and are involved in a lot of their local missions or their churches and all this. If you actually look at the details, you'll see who is... there for people and who is just spinning talking points.
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And George, to a little bit on your question as well, I have no problem with them raising money off of anything they want to raise money off of. That's their prerogative. President Trump was selling mugs with his mugshot on it. So he fundraised off of it. That's clearly why they're co-opting it. The difference is, is that President Trump didn't go out and seek these situations where he could be charged. What I'm afraid of happening is this being a very big fundraiser for them. And then you start seeing bad behavior by other members of the house that want to get in on that action. And so they go and they go and cause trouble here. They disrupt here. They try to get arrested just for the sake of fundraising. It's a bad example to the nations, a bad example to the constituencies that if you reward bad behavior for, Instead of there's a thousand different ways they could have played that scenario out and they didn't. They chose to do the photo op to make a big issue out of it. A congressional oversight visit should almost be something you don't even know about happening. that that it just happens then they can give a report and do that but instead it become a whole thing and it ends up with charges against a member of congress the mayor of newark was was arrested and charged originally with criminal trespass on federal property but they dropped those charges so it should have never gone down that way to begin with and now what we're seeing is The game plan. Go cause trouble. Get in trouble. Raise money. Try to flip the election.
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Get in the press. Get coverage. Get on the news. Become a household name. It's very easy. It's very, you know, it's just where we're at right now. So just see through it, folks. Let's actually look at what's going on. We've got a couple of phone lines still open at 1-800-684-3010. My brother, Jordan Sekulow, executive director of the ACLJs, will be joining us in the second half hour. So you want to make sure you stay tuned for that. We'll take some calls coming up in the next segment. So make sure you're following that. We're also going to talk about the federal air marshals who have been surveilling our former colleague, Tulsi Gabbard, currently director of national intelligence. We'll talk about that when we get back. Welcome back to Seculo. We did want to pivot a little bit and talk about our friend Tulsi Gabbard. You remember her from being on this show for many years. And then, of course, now is the director of national intelligence. Again, that doesn't happen, by the way. Without people like you that watch this show, support this show financially, we were able to bring in the best of the best during a lot of these years. And that is proof of the fact that she is now the Director of National Intelligence. She already had an incredible track record before that. It's not like we found her. I mean, she was involved in so many different things and obviously served our country for many years, ran for president herself. But she was a great contributor here, a great person to always bounce some things off of. But of course, we found out while she was still working with us, that she had been put on what's called the Quiet Skies program. And we also know that that was just recently confirmed. Now, we knew about this, Will, for, I mean, a year plus now that this was happening to Tulsi. She was pretty much notified, I think, that it was happening. However, it's now been confirmed or confirmed by other people in these oversight committees.
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so what happened yesterday was during a hearing with christy gnome who's the director of homeland security rand paul raised this issue once again and what many in the media are calling it really the first confirmation now obviously we talked about it here we had confirmation not just because of whistleblowers but because we were representing tulsi at the aclj through some of these issues we had foyer requests out on it but We knew that it was real, but in the media with their fact checking and things sometimes has to wait until someone like Rand Paul says, I've got the documents and confirm it. Can you believe it? But here's what's interesting is that Senator Rand Paul just got these documents Sunday night because this hearing was yesterday from Department of Homeland Security about Tulsi Gabbard on Quiet Skies. When he first asked for these documents, was August 21st of last year. It's been just shy of a year that the senator conducting oversight, because we've been talking about members of Congress conducting oversight. It's been almost a year when he requested in his official capacity on the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee of the Senate information on this. And he just got it. And you want to know why he just got it? Because Kristi Noem is the director of Homeland Security now and not Alejandro Mayorkas. Because when the Biden administration was there, they tended to try to stonewall, delay, cover things up, not let transparency happen. So when you hear about members of Congress going to conduct oversight unannounced at a border detention facility, And then they get charges against them and they say, we're just trying to do our oversight. No, there are ways you can do it. And Senator Paul even waited almost a year on something which concerns the civil liberties in someone being spied on by the federal government. That's now the director of national intelligence. That is Rand Paul's top issue. And you know what he didn't do? go break in to the Department of Homeland Security and get arrested to raise money off of it. So I just wanted to show the juxtaposition of that is that it actually, I didn't even plan to say all that, but it just took me back of the absurdity of what the Democrats are doing right now. But I do want to play this bite because he's not just done with the confirmation of it and now Tulsi is Director of National Intelligence. He wants this program to see change. He wants to stop the violation of civil liberties. And that's things that we fight for here at the ACLJ every single day. Let's play by one from Senator Paul during this hearing as he's talking to Director Noem.
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With regard to TSA Quiet Skies and Tulsi Gabbard situation, I suspect there are going to be other people that were caught up in this thing as well. I'm horrified by the idea that we took a former congresswoman and we're surveilling her and riding on jets with her. There was another story of an air marshal whose wife, I mean, might have been at January 6th or something, and now we have air marshals riding following another air marshal or his wife. So I want to hear the whole story of what happened. I want to hear that people have been let go, that they're no longer doing this. If there were abuses of Tulsi Gabbard's liberties, I want to hear from that. But I want repercussions to come from this, and I think you've said something's coming. Please let us know, and let us know how the program... the destruction of civil liberties can be minimized. I frankly probably have trouble with the whole program, but let's see if there's some way. But we need significant reform. If it needs legislation, please come to us with that.
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That's him talking, that's Rand Paul talking to Kristi Noem. So not necessarily someone who is unfriendly to this idea of reform. That's right.
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And as I mentioned earlier, it's no longer, thankfully, Director Alejandro Mayorkas, who was overseeing the abuses of these programs against American citizens, against former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, now Director of National Intelligence. Just when you think back on that story, and I remember when it broke. There was an article out of a DC outlet, kind of a more unknown outlet at the time, and just reading it without even having had the discussions with DC. Director Gabbard at that point about it, reading it and thinking, this can't be happening in America. This can't be real, that she's getting these designations on her tickets, that they're having bomb sniffing dogs follow her around the airport, that there are people on the flight that are constantly monitoring her, taking notes, and covertly, not supposed to be known, but that's what was happening to her. Former Congresswoman all of a sudden didn't play by their rules, wasn't a Democrat anymore. And so they sought political retribution. They sought to monitor her, to intimidate, to silence her. It didn't work, but we can't let that happen again.
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I want to quickly, before we head to break, because my brother Jordan Sekul is going to be joining in the second half hour. It's going to be packed. We're going to take some calls, though, later on, 1-800-684-3110. I want to pivot back to Congresswoman McIver, and let's take a call. Oh, actually, our call, we had an ACLJ champion who was up, and I think they just went away. So you know what? We're going to hold those calls. Sorry about that if you're on hold right now, but I wanted to make sure if you become an ACLJ champion, you tell our phone screener, you get bumped to the first. She would have been the first call of this segment. So unfortunately, that's what happens with this. We only have two minutes left. in this half hour. Now, if you don't get us on your local station, if you're listening on the radio and some of the radio stations, especially Christian radio stations, don't catch the full hour of this show every day. We do it every day for an hour. Go to ACLJ.org. You can watch it later on or live from 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern time. That's right. We broadcast 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern time. Go join us live. You can do it on YouTube. You can do it on Rumble, ACLJ.org. Of course, you can find us later on on your favorite podcast apps, however you get your podcasts, or on the brand new redesigned ACLJ app, which I encourage you all to download. It's something that's a great way to engage, sign our petitions, become an ACLJ champion on there. If you become a champion, you get a special sort of skin for that ACLJ app, a special experience. that's just for ACLJ champions that's someone by the way that gives on a monthly recurring basis that's a monthly recurring donor and you could do that today we know the ACLJ is hard at work we've been battling back in court on numerous cases just in the last weeks exposing actual corruption political targeting we know there's a lot of political targeting that was happening of Christians of conservatives back from the the tea party days all the way up into these current days of President Trump. And tomorrow, we'll be in court on two major FOIA requests against actual lawfare that was waged by the left. And there's a lot more going on. 20 cases. Look, I got the facts in front of me. 20 cases we're fighting just alone to stop the weaponization of government against conservatives, against Christians. And the fight continues on. So while I can read you through all of these facts, I can go through all the stuff that we're doing. Go to ACLJ.org. Look around. If you want to become a champion while you're there, you should. None of our content's behind a paywall. And it's not behind a paywall because we want you to share it. We want you to send it to your friends. We want you to get educated. We want people like the HHS to stumble upon one of our blogs and then create an investigation. Yeah, that happened. We'll be right back with my brother, Jordan Sekulow.
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Keeping you informed and engaged. Now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Welcome back to Sekulow. Second half hour coming at you. My brother Jordan Sekulow just got in studio with us. He'll be here for the next half an hour. So join us live right now with him. 1-800-684-3110 if you want your voice heard on the air today. Great time to call in because we will have a really great discussion coming up in the next segment specifically about what's going on with Jordan's trips to Washington, D.C. and to Europe and everything that is happening around the world and the world of the ACLJ. However... We want to continue that discussion, Will, that we started with, because we know a lot of people are just joining us right now. As we have seen now, a bit of a flip in terms of talking points, because now you have a Democrat running for their midterm elections going, you know what worked? You know, it worked really well. was that whole lawfare thing, that whole, let's say it's election interference, political persecution, that this is happening right now. So we're gonna create some new characters, and some new characters that are gonna get some press, gonna get some attention, and now we can just take the playbook that Donald Trump successfully ran on when he was unjustly gone after, but first we gotta create some crimes. We gotta create those crimes, so we gotta actually go commit some crimes.
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So, Jordan, what we've seen now is we've seen first it was that judge in Wisconsin that that helped break the law by helping an illegal immigrant that was before her on a criminal matter evade a warrant. Then you have Andrew Cuomo now saying that the DOJ investigating the covid deaths in nursing homes. is election interference and lawfare against him. And now you have what is kind of the most egregious case to me out of all these is this Congresswoman that until a couple days ago was not a household name in politics. but I'm getting now an email from the DCCC that's just from her as if I would know normally who that would be, raising money off the fact that she's been charged with assault at an ICE detention facility where there was a scuffle. She was trying to say it was oversight. Didn't look like oversight I've seen before. But what is your take on the left trying to now think this narrative of, oh, if we can get charged with things, It could be a winning strategy for us.
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You mentioned something important, though, that Republicans and the new Department of Justice and law enforcement officials aren't engaging in lawfare because these are Democrats or liberals that are actually engaging in crimes. That's not lawfare. That's conducting law enforcement. If you go as part of your role as congressional oversight to an ICE facility and you don't follow the rules and you assault someone, even though you may have an initial right to be there, that doesn't give you a right to commit a crime of assault. So it is not lawfare then to prosecute an actual crime. When we used lawfare, we've been using the legal system to tie up elected officials so they could not fully function and carry out their jobs, whether it was the Mueller investigation that led to nothing, whether it was an impeachment after a president had left office, whether it was the first impeachment, which took, again, so much time away from important issues. The U.S. Senate president basically stalled out, the House stalled out in its ability to do its work over nothing. Look at what Alvin Bragg, what that amounted to, nothing. So the difference here is that you're right, Will, for them to get the attention, they're actually having to commit crimes because conservatives who believe in the rule of law don't criminally target our opponents for just having policy differences from us. They are actually committing crimes.
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They should be prosecuted. Yeah, I think that's the big difference. It's pretty clear for a lot of people. It's not theoretical. It's not, oh, maybe you could consider this a crime. It's not lawfare. Right, you were committing crimes, but this is clearly the game plan. And the game plan is to be able to send out emails, to create stars, to send them on MSNBC, to now have a new, deeper bench. Because we know that has been a big problem for the Democrats heading into the midterms, which is into the next presidential election already, is that their bench is not legal. stacked and it is very stacked on the other side you can probably pick out 10 people who could be your next president of the united states if it's a republican but the democrats got to come up with some new faces this is maybe one of them sure this is a test to see how it goes so far who knows who knows how much they've fundraised on this they may have may be very successful We'll find out, certainly, as the months progress. In the next segment, Jordan's going to give us a little preview of what he's been doing in Washington, D.C., and what's been going on at our European Center for Law and Justice, and so much more. You want to make sure you stay tuned for that. We're going to continue this conversation as well. Give us a call, 1-800-684-3110. Back in just a moment. Welcome back to Secular. If you're watching on YouTube or Rumble, you got to see a bit of a preview of what Jordan and his team have been doing in Washington, D.C. Of course, that was also with West Virginia Attorney General J.B. McCuskey as you were up there, Jordan, last week. We know we've had you on talking about what was going on in the Supreme Court, but that is just a small piece of what was going on.
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Yeah, that's right. That week alone, we were in Washington, D.C. You can see from some of that footage, if you're watching the broadcast, I was meeting with our legal team there. We are rebuilding our government affairs team as we speak. And so I've been on the phone this week with a couple of folks who look likely to be joining that team as well in a very important time. You know, we talked about this is still in that first 130 days or so. And so we want to make sure we have the right team for the moment to carry us through these next few years, but then also to carry us through the additional next 10 years. And so we are investing in that right now at the ACLJ, as well as, of course, when we're in D.C., we're able, because of the support of our donors, to do a lot more than just the Supreme Court case. Obviously, representing the state of West Virginia was a great honor. It's a great honor for our ACLJ donors and members to be standing with an entire state and their Attorney General J.B. McCuskey. But at the same time, we were meeting with Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, Senator Schmidt of Missouri, a couple of members of Congress as well. I know we've got meetings coming up. Our team, while I am overseas, will be again with Speaker Johnson and some of these more controversial budget bills that are going through. And it's another BBB, but it's not Build Back Better. It's the Big Beautiful Bill, which is TV. every day as we speak, but there's a lot going on. And what I want everyone to know out there is that your ACLJ team is getting a handle on all of the issues we believe you're concerned about and then putting the resources there. So that's really my focus right now is whether it's here in the United States or around the world, getting the resources to the teams, rebuilding teams that may have lost some people to the administration. That's always kind of a positive. It's a good and a bad. because you want people to be in those important government roles, but you also then kind of have to restart. And of course, we've been through that a number of times, so it's nothing new for us. But at the same time, being ready for the moment, you know, the battles change, the rhetoric gets more and more heated. And I think, you know, we also have to be prepared for what could be coming from the left down the road. When we talk about real lawfare and real legal issues, also just the uptick in the rhetoric, which has gotten very extreme.
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I think we should actually take a phone call. We have an ACLJ champion calling in who has a question specifically about what you were doing last week, what was happening in West Virginia. Jerry's calling in West Virginia. Again, an ACLJ champion is someone that gives on a monthly recurring basis automatically. Of course, you can cancel anytime. But when you do that, one of the little perks I always say is you call in, you tell our phone screener, I get you bumped to the front of the line. So Jerry has not been on hold the longest. He's actually been on hold the shortest, but he's on live right now. Jerry in West Virginia, go ahead.
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Hey, good afternoon, guys. Appreciate everything you do. Just a quick question. I want to know what happened with the Supreme Court case with West Virginia and Of course, I'm from West Virginia, so I want to know where we stand on that.
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So the oral argument is done, the briefing is in, and we are now awaiting a decision from the U.S. Supreme Court. I'd say the predictions go from anywhere from saying that these universal, kind of this idea, is it universal or is it nationwide injunctions? I mean, they even got into distinctions between those terms. Is it that? Yes, it was almost a two hours and 40 minute long oral argument. Or are there some cases where you are issuing an injunction and it just happens to affect a huge amount of people because there's people that are very similar to that person and they might not have the same legal rights to continue the case, but the case did affect them at least at that lower level and might provide some temporary relief. So I could see the court doing that. I think there will be some tempering down of the ability of these district court judges to issue nationwide injunctions. I do think that's where we go. On the other issues, I'd say it's up in the air. I don't think we reached the merits on the citizenship issue. I don't think there was enough briefing done on that. I don't think that that actually had time to, a word that was used a lot was percolate. It didn't have enough time to percolate through the judicial system, through the district courts, to the court of appeals, ultimately to the Supreme Court. they were kind of having to make up and this is uh never a great scenario for the supreme court they were having to make up kind of what a trial would look like on the fly like well let's look at laws from the 1820s let's look at this case from 1930. it wasn't like pulling a tight case that was just you know here's the briefing here's the cases you know what's going to be covered because this is what has been covered in multiple court of appeals multiple district courts and trial courts and so you kind of know what you're getting by the time you got to the supreme court when it's over two hours long and and you've only got one case that day you know that it could be a very complicated opinion but we don't shy away from that in fact our Our brief was filed to speak to that directly. We got into the most complicated issue and focused there to give justices an opportunity to say, you know, this is wrong, what is happening, and here's a way to move forward.
SPEAKER 02 :
How many times have we had to explain that a loss is a win and a win is a loss? when it comes to the Supreme Court of the United States because these opinions are not always cut and dry. Sometimes they are. Sometimes it's very clear, but often you have to, we always hold off on reporting because you have to go through these decisions line by line because the news will break in and say, here's who won. And then when you really look at it, you're like, but did they? But did they win? How did that actually play out?
SPEAKER 04 :
We'll be able to do that, I think, probably towards midsummer on this one. I do think it's one where you're right. It would be a good thing, I think, for our side if we're having to parse through it because I think if it's too short, that's probably signaling that they just didn't really accept the argument, which I don't.
SPEAKER 06 :
believe will happen jordan and i think also for the caller as well this obviously was a case that is new um it's it's not something that happened it's been in the in the court system for years and it's just now reaching the supreme court um obviously the opinions from the kind of set schedule you typically get at the end of the term end of june and in early july But with this, do you think we could potentially get a decision quicker since it was rushed up on just even the injunction issue, not even on the merits of the case itself?
SPEAKER 04 :
It's possible, though the injunction stands. So this group of people isn't in a kind of limbo right now. So I think that if they want to take their time, they can. I think there are simple ways out of this case for the Supreme Court that would be very positive for us. There are more complicated ways out of this case for the Supreme Court that would be very good for us as well. And our position focused in on these judges just having... If district court judges have this kind of power, we have to rework our entire judicial nominations process because we need to start vetting every single one of those district court judges down to every rally they've ever attended, their political donations.
SPEAKER 02 :
It's all public. It becomes like voting for a candidate.
SPEAKER 04 :
At least court of appeals. At least it's like a court of appeals judge, which gets a lot more scrutiny in Washington, D.C. And if these kind of cases stand, then that's, you know, I talked to J.B., the attorney general of West Virginia. If this is the new way of operating, well, West Virginia is going to go into Texas and find judges and say, let's get an injunction against New York. Or if it's the federal government, let's just get a nationwide injunction against the federal government.
SPEAKER 02 :
It'll end up being they both play the game.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And do we really want that in a nation which is the greatest in the world because of our rule of law?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, what we've learned also, though, is if you don't end up playing the game, you get left behind as well. So you have to make sure that, though we may not think it's right, if it ends up being the law, you have to play the cards that you're dealt. It's kind of like what happened in the election last time. It's like you had to start embracing things like mail-in ballots and those kind of things to actually early voting. You had to start getting people rallied up around those ideas because they weren't going away. If they're not going away, then the worst thing you can do is to put your head in the sand.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I mean, you'd immediately pivot your legal strategy to say that, you know, if this is not a one-off kind of just related to President Trump, we talked about how 67% of these in history have been issued against President Trump. Well, why can't they be issued against the next Democrat president then? Why can't a group like the ACLJ go in and do that and really start being able to prevent them? from carrying out the policies, which I'm sure we'll strongly disagree with if we do get to that point. I hope that's a long way away or maybe we don't ever get there. But if they do come back into power, this would give us a way to say, you know what, the Supreme Court said this is okay. I could stop the president not by having to go all the way to the Supreme Court, not by having to get legislative action.
SPEAKER 02 :
Virtually nothing.
SPEAKER 04 :
By going to a district court who will issue an injunction because they don't like the president's policies either.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. All right, I want to take some calls coming up in the next segment. Jordan's going to stick around for this last segment. So if you have calls that are maybe more legal focused, it'd be a great time to call in or just in general on any of the topics we talked about today. 1-800-684-3110. And of course, I want to always encourage you to support the work of the ACLJ, but this is a great time to just give us a call. Ask a question. No questions are stupid questions, as they say. All questions are fine. We're able to answer some questions here. Be kind to your phone screener. That's all I always say. 1-800-684-3110. We encourage you, though, to become an ACLJ champion today. Someone that gives on a monthly basis. We know that often with the ACLJ, we are talking about all the different ways you can support. And today we're talking about being a champion. That's where you kind of set it, forget it. Say, hey, I want to give whatever level. I think $5 is the minimum just due to processing. $5 or more, you become an ACLJ champion. Of course, it's tax deductible. There are great, fun little perks. But always what we say is we want to keep our content not behind the paywall. We want to make sure everyone can see the great ACLJ content because when you share it, then you can actually change hearts, minds. It's not just talking into an echo chamber. We've seen that. And we saw the HHS find one of our blogs and then create an investigation based on one of our blogs. I guarantee you, as Will said, that maybe just some sort of online membership is not part of their budget. for us. So you know what? We are happy that they were able to do that and we can get to work with them as well. We'll take your calls when we get back. 1-800-684-3110. Welcome back to Secula. We're going to take your phone calls coming up, but we want to give Jordan an opportunity also to give us a bit of a preview, Will, of what's going to be happening over the next few months.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's right, Jordan. We said a little bit about it in the previous segment, but obviously you were working on very big things in D.C. last week. But also you're about to go be with our European Center for Law and Justice, the ECLJ, for an extended period of time, working on some major things that to our audience we can't reveal yet.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, there's some things we could talk about. Our first part of the trip next week will be in Budapest, and we'll be meeting with Prime Minister Viktor Orban. We have done some work with Prime Minister Orban before through the European Center for Law and Justice, but we thought... We did our first trip back to Europe as a bigger team. Of course, that office has been operating for decades and all of our offices around the world. But post-COVID last year, to kind of get things started, to kind of say, this is where we want things to go. So let's look at what we could do a year from now. Let's get fully up to speed on being able to travel around and hit multiple places. So we'll start off the trip that way, then head back to our offices in Strasbourg, France. The European Parliament is meeting in Strasbourg. So you've got all the different parliamentarians from all the member states of the Council of Europe. And we'll be holding receptions actually in our office. So we'll be holding receptions and we have a residence and an office. We'll be holding receptions there for those members. So we'll be able to start developing and personal relationships that our team there may have, but to expand their relationships. A lot of these new conservative movements that we're seeing pop up all over Europe, they want the direct relationship with the United States. And I will tell you, that is a change when it comes to European politics. I always say this. It's taken decades for groups like the ECLJ and even us when we visit Europe to find a home in major political parties. I mean, that did not exist even 10 years ago. And it does now. And so we think this is the time to seize the moment. We have some potential countries we might be hitting along the way. So, I mean, we're looking right now at Serbia, looking at Italy as well. Italy is a country that also has gone much more conservative in their minister of justice. And then there is a huge announcement today. that I will be making from Europe. I don't want to get ahead of it, but a huge announcement that has major ramifications for, as you talked about, freedom of speech in Europe, political freedom and association, has huge legal ramifications that affects a major European country and a major European country. political figure so I don't want to give away more than that but I will say that people will be excited to know we'll be meeting with that figure as well to talk not only about what we'll be doing but also what we could do here in the United States and maybe bringing that figure over to the United States as well so I think our audience our supporters our members are going to be very excited about this one and it is really kind of the the crux of why we're making this trip.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and I think it's an important time in Europe, and I think it's an important time in the UK. You're seeing also, as you said, not only a place for conservatives, you're seeing a huge rise in Christianity even in these nations, specifically in the UK, more than they've ever had before since sort of the 60s. when they started having a real downturn in the church there, you've seen a real evangelical movement start to build. And of course we want to be a part of that as well, because I think it's very important to remember that we live in a pretty small world and that we want to always focus on what's going on in America, what's going on in the United States, that we have a presence everywhere. And of course that all is connected. Let's try to take some phone calls real quick before we have to wrap up. Let's go to Martin in North Carolina. He's got a question watching on YouTube. You're on the air, Martin.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you, sir. I appreciate you taking my call. I was talking to the screener about the ICE detention with them pushing the wing, but people seem to forget the left tried to do that same thing down at the Department of Education. And I'm not going to say for sure, but while I was waiting, I was looking back. in some of the videos, I'm not so sure that Representative McIvor was not there as well. So we need to keep in mind, bullying our way into things is not proper protocol, and that's not the way these people should be handling themselves.
SPEAKER 02 :
Martin, I'm going to cut you off because we're running out of time here, but I want to let Will respond because he's got some information.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that's right. Representative McIver did lead Democrats to protest that. Department of Education moves when Doge was going in there. So this isn't just a one-off for her. This is them strategically moving around places trying to cause a scene instead of doing what would be real oversight. We talked about Rand Paul earlier talking about working with Christy Noem about the quiet skies and doing real oversight, getting documents, investigating things of that nature, showing up with cameras is not oversight. That's a sideshow.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that's a press conference. And again, now they're doing press conferences that they're trying to rile up law enforcement. Again, you could join protests. You could protest that you don't like the policy of the Department of Education being returned to the states and the power back to the states. You could protest that all you want. We were outside the Supreme Court, plenty of protests there. That is fine. Do it peacefully. Do it lawfully. And that's very American to do. When you start assaulting police officers, you've reached a new level of, it's not even civil disobedience anymore. That is just criminal conduct, violent criminal conduct. And members of Congress are not immune from being prosecuted for violent criminal conduct anymore. because they believe that they had a right to be someplace and yet still didn't follow the rules of a place like that, which is a detention facility, which even though they have oversight over, has got a lot of rules in place. It's like, yes, you can have oversight over the federal prison, but when you go in there, you don't get to make up your own rules as a member of Congress.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right, let's go ahead and take one more call. Ronald in South Carolina. I apologize to Phil and Joel. We're not going to be able to get to you today. Ronald, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, thanks for taking my call. I enjoyed the explanation that Jordan did in defining what lawfare and criminal acts and the difference of that. And so this MacGyver representative, I don't think she actually thought this thing through because this type of criminal record will stay with you forever and it may affect her security clearance as long as she's in the White House.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, this is the difference. Elected officials don't have those same issues. Now, it could, for instance, if you had a party in charge, for instance, her own party, and decided what you did, this conduct was wrong, we should remove you from committees where you have those clearances. So basically, you're taking off committees, and the DNC or the DCCC decides to primary you in a campaign and basically remove you from Congress.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's not happening here. We're getting marketing emails. From the Democrat Party. Right, exactly. She's not paying for these personally. From the DCCC, who I was just talking about.
SPEAKER 04 :
So they are leaning into this and saying, again, I think the Trump team needs to be aware of it. And again, if there's actual criminal conduct, you can arrest people. You can charge them with assault. At the same time, know that they're playing this game with you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and Jordan, they tried to offer her a deal. Yeah. And she rejected it. Why? So they could send fundraising emails. Because you know what's not as good of a fundraising email? I just made a deal with the Department of Justice.
SPEAKER 02 :
I pled guilty. Right. I understand. She probably doesn't want to do that as well. Hey, thank you so much for joining us today. We're going to have a packed week still coming up, so make sure If you are brand new to the broadcast or you haven't yet, hit that subscribe button if you're watching on YouTube or on Rumble. If you're on any of our other social platforms, make sure you're always engaging with us because we post new content each and every day. Brand new live shows each and every day, 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern time. You can listen to the show. You can watch the show. You can get engaged, get your comments in, get your questions in each and every day. And of course, you can support the work of the ACLJ. as our team is hard at work. You heard what Jordan said, what's going on in Europe, what's going on in Washington, D.C. This is not something that's cheap. It's not something we can do for nothing. We have to have your support to continue these fights, whether that is, again, at a $5 a month level, or whether that's at a $5,000 a month level. Know that we appreciate it, and all donations really matter to us. We really appreciate it. Talk to you tomorrow.
On today's program: Keith Self, U.S. Representative for Texas's 3rd District, reacts to news that Israel may strike Iran's nuclear facilities and applauds the president's Golden Dome proposal. Michael Cloud, U.S. Representative for Texas's 27th
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I think progress is made. I think that there is a pathway forward that we can see. But again, the leadership will have to figure out what the timeframe of this is. I'm not sure this can be done this week. I'm pretty confident it can be done in 10 days. But that's up to leadership to decide.
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That was House Freedom Caucus Chairman Andy Harris earlier today talking about the reconciliation bill, the one big beautiful bill. He is the chairman of the Freedom Caucus, and that was prior to the Freedom Caucus meeting at the White House. Welcome to this May 21st edition of Washington Watch. I'm Tony Perkins. Thanks for tuning in. House Speaker Mike Johnson had hoped for a floor vote tonight on the one big beautiful bill, but the path forward has been anything but smooth. After hours in the Rules Committee, the bill is still in the committee in limbo, with House Freedom Caucus members expressing frustration over the timing of the proposed spending cuts. Right now, they just wrapped up a meeting with the president, and Speaker Johnson at the White House will get the latest from Texas Congressman Michael Cloud. in just a few moments. Also, Secretary of State Marco Rubio was on Capitol Hill briefing lawmakers on nuclear talks with Iran.
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That is the goal of these negotiations, to create an incentive model where if they give up their enrichment capability, they will receive some sanctions relief commensurate with it. That's the hope. That's what we're working on, because the alternative would be something far more destructive, and we seek to avoid that if possible.
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However, Iran's Supreme Leader says he doesn't expect the talks to succeed. So why is the U.S. still negotiating? We'll talk it over with Texas Congressman Keith Self, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. And from Samaria, the terrorist responsible for the brutal killing of a pregnant Israeli woman last week while her husband was rushing her to the hospital to give birth has been eliminated in an IDF operation over the weekend. CBN Middle East Bureau Chief Chris Mitchell joins us from Jerusalem with the latest. Samaritan's Purse is on the ground in Kentucky and Missouri after tornadoes ripped through those states last Friday, taking the lives of more than two dozen people. We'll get a report from Edward Graham with Samaritan's Purse a little bit later on this edition of Washington Watch. And finally, I want to personally invite you and your family to join FRC's 21-Day Family Bible Reading Challenge through the Gospel of Matthew. It launches on June the 11th. Now, for years, I've walked families through the Bible every two years, and I continue to hear incredible stories from kids and grandparents alike how God's Word has transformed their lives. So why not start with just one book? Read Matthew together as a family, just 21 days. And pastors, I encourage you to take the resources we've created and invite your church to join you. Let's start the summer grounded in Scripture. To find out more, text the word Matthew to 67742. That's Matthew to 67742. It's free. We've done all the work for you. We're setting the table. Just come together and read the book of Matthew as a family and see what God does in your home. The negotiations between Iran and the United States are slated to continue this Friday, but Iran is already pouring cold water on them. Yesterday, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said that this is not, that he is not confident that the negotiations will yield results. So why continue the talks? Joining us now by phone to discuss this, Congressman Keith Self. He serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. He represents the 3rd Congressional District of Texas. He is also a member of the House Freedom Caucus and is just leaving the White House meeting with the president. Congressman Self, welcome back to Washington Watch.
SPEAKER 17 :
Great to be here. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right. Before we jump into Iran, I don't want to keep people in suspense. Did the House Freedom Caucus make progress in their conversations with the president?
SPEAKER 17 :
We had a very good meeting. We made progress. That's all I will say at this point. We're headed back to Capitol Hill to continue our talks and our negotiations.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right. Good enough. Let's talk Iran. The Iranian leader, the supreme ruler, saying that he doesn't think these talks are going to lead to anything.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, frankly, they will lead to something because the president said we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way. So I really recommend that Iran do this the easy way because the president has been very clear. Dismantle your equipment, period. Because if you want civilian electricity and that's why you need nuclear materials, you don't need to be enriching. You can get it on the open market. That's the way nations do it. They do not need to enrich if their true project is meant for civilian uses.
SPEAKER 19 :
It sounds as if that's a red line for Iran being restricted from enriching uranium. They said we're not going to agree to that. So if these talks fail, what other options does the U.S. have?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, the president has options available. well short of kinetic, short of war. And I'm sure that he will exercise all of them. He can go with sanctions. He can go to the surrounding nations. Look, Iran is in its weakest position in years. So anything that we go beyond maximum pressure, if the president uses every tool in the toolbox, I can guarantee you Iran will hurt. And they're already hurting, because they're pouring too much money into their military, the Quds Force, the IRGC and not enough into their civilians. So they're already hurting in their civilian sector. So if he ratchets it a bit further, which he could, Iran will be in desperate, dire straits. I don't think they want to go there. But remember, their number one issue is regime survival. Their number two issue is survival of their nuclear programs. So this is a red line for them. It's absolutely a red line for them. But I don't think President Trump is going to back down.
SPEAKER 19 :
So when you look at those two priorities, they're going to have to choose one or the other.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's a fair statement. That is a fair statement. Choose survival or choose their nuclear program. If I were them, I would choose regime survival because it's not going to survive that long anyway. There are already internal domestic issues that are arising. First of all, the Ayatollah is aging. And at some point, the people are going to demand more freedom because they look around at the Arab nations, Muslim nations that are doing better than they are, and they're going to want to be in the same boat.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and we've seen uprisings in the last few years there where the citizens clearly are not in line with the regime that is running the country. So I don't think it would take much to tip that regime.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, it will take a lot. I think it only happens once the Ayatollah dies, because that is a brutal regime. They don't mind doing whatever is necessary to quell any rebellion that happens in Iran. So I think this only happens at the change of the leader.
SPEAKER 19 :
Let's talk about, and I failed to mention your retired army colonel. You spent a considerable amount of time in Israel when you were in the army. Iran, over the weekend, once again saying that Israel has to be eliminated, calling it a tumorous cancer, a tumorous cancer, a cancerous tumor. A CNN report, and I kind of question this, but a CNN report suggests that U.S. intelligence is saying that Israel is planning to strike some of Iran's nuclear facilities. Now, I kind of doubt that the U.S. intelligence would be putting out information on Israel's movements, but Israel has a lot at stake here.
SPEAKER 17 :
Israel has a lot at stake because Iran has been very clear. The United States is the great Satan. Israel is the smaller Satan, the little Satan. So they have declared their purpose to destroy Israel first and then the United States. And their nuclear program is their regional power. That's what makes them a regional power. Now, do they have the ability to do it yet? No, I don't think so. I don't think they've made it a warhead. with a guidance system, with a missile that would do it. And they certainly have not tested one. So you're right, Israel has a tremendous stake in this. And I have always said when I served back with the IDF, I wasn't in the IDF, I was in the U.S. Army, I will tell you that I was convinced then and I am convinced now that if Israel believes that it is in their best interest and it is an existential threat, they will take care of the Iranian nuclear problem.
SPEAKER 19 :
Do they have the capacity to do that?
SPEAKER 17 :
They have the capacity to do great damage and delay it for years. So when you talk about destroying the Iranian nuclear program itself, you're talking about the ability to enrich, the ability to make missiles, the ability to put together those three pieces that it's going to require. A warhead, a guidance system, and a missile. And you made all those three together, that's the final product. The problem we have today is they are at 60% enriched uranium. So it doesn't sound like a lot, but going from 60% to 90%, It looks like a lot. It's not. It's very quick. It's a matter of days. That's the problem.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, in Israel, through the last six months and the initiatives, the operations they've had into Iran, they really have them in a vulnerable situation. And the window for them to strike, I would think, would be now.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's a great point. In one of their operations, they destroyed the main air defense systems on the primary nuclear facilities. And that has dramatically degraded the Iranian air defense. Now, I know that Iran has asked Russia to replace the air defense system. I don't think Russia has done it yet. So you're right. That window will close once they get a replacement system for the one they destroyed.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right, Congressman Self, let's get a couple of minutes left. I want to talk national defense here. We talk about Israel. They have the Iron Dome. They have David Sling. They have a number of advanced technologies to protect them from incoming rockets and missiles. President Trump has officially announced his Golden Dome to defend America from foreign attacks. What do you make of this plan?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, this is basically operationalizing Reagan's Star Wars, because we're not talking about a golden dome that looks like the Israeli Iron Dome, which is a tactical system. We're talking about something that will reach out into space to shoot down missiles. So this is a major upgrade. This is a major long-range, high-altitude defense system that they're talking about. So this is a huge upgrade. step forward operationalizing what President Reagan envisioned years ago.
SPEAKER 19 :
And it can be done. We have the technology.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. It can be done.
SPEAKER 19 :
The president saying that he hopes to see this in place before his term ends. Do you think that's possible?
SPEAKER 17 :
That's an aggressive schedule, but it depends on the best minds and enough money to get it done because the technology is there. We just need to fund it, and we need the best minds available to make it happen.
SPEAKER 19 :
Final question for you, Congressman Keith Self. Today, the Department of Defense announcing they've accepted the $400 million jet from Qatar to become Air Force One. A lot of conservatives have concerns about this, as well as, of course, the left kicking a fit about it. Your thoughts?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, the optics, I think, are what the right is talking about, because it's a gift to DOT. I think today they officially announced they had accepted it. This has happened before. I have personal concerns about Cutter. Now, in my district, L3 Harris does great work with major airframes, large airframes, tearing them down to the bare metal. And that's what I recommend that we do with this plane, because Cutter... plays both sides of the fence. I would be very cautious with this plane. I would make sure that there is absolutely nothing of intelligence value in it. Tear it down to the bolts and make sure it's not there.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. Congressman, always great to talk with you. Thanks so much for taking time to join us.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, thank you for letting me do this by the phone. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 19 :
Absolutely. Congressman Keith Self of Texas. All right. We're going to find out more about the meeting that took place at the White House. We're going to be joined by another member of the Texas delegation. Michael Clout joins us next. Stay tuned.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us on this Wednesday. Some conservative Republicans are not yet convinced that the one big, beautiful budget reconciliation bill is ready for the dance floor. They're pushing to ensure that the cuts that are being promised are real and based on my conversations. I think I think they're making progress. President Trump is hands-on. He met this afternoon with House Freedom Caucus members on the matter. So how'd that discussion go? Well, here to tell us about it, Texas Congressman Michael Cloud. He's a member of the House Freedom Caucus, also a member of the House Appropriations Committee. He joins us by phone on his way back to the Capitol. Congressman Cloud, welcome back to Washington Watch.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, thank you. Good to be with you.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. How'd the meeting go?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you know, anytime you get to meet with the president, it's going to be a good meeting. You certainly appreciate his heart for the country, and that comes out in every single conversation, and his desire to get things done for the American people. So, you know, it's good. He listens. He engages, as you mentioned, and, you know, definitely making progress.
SPEAKER 19 :
So the big issues that, as I understand them in multiple conversations I've had, are when the cuts and reductions take place. Because there's a 10-year window that we're talking about. And I think what most conservatives are saying, look, we've got to realize these reductions so that we can get the deficit down. But that's got to happen sooner rather than later. Did that register with the president?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, one of the big concerns in the first draft, if we can call it that, was – and we've seen this before where a number of bills that will come out and all the fun stuff, shall we say, is in the front end and then you pay for it many, many years later, even two, three elections later. And so – We've worked hard over the last few days to move some of those timelines up for implementation, which helps move the needle on those sort of things. And then, as the president said when he came to visit us yesterday, addressing the waste, fraud, and abuse. And so we've been focused on that and kind of drilling down on where we can continue to work to get that weight off the backs of the American taxpayers. Yeah. You know, these things take time sometimes because the devil's in the details, and we've just got to make sure we get it right because this is just such a unique opportunity. The American people have been looking forward to this for quite some time, to have this opportunity to make real change for the American people, and so we just want to make sure we get it right.
SPEAKER 19 :
The timing, that's the issue, the House leadership wanting to get this through. Actually, it was hoping to get a vote tonight, but the Rules Committee is still meeting on the bill. So that's probably not going to happen unless it's very, very late in the evening. Do you think you're at a point where it's ready to be voted on?
SPEAKER 15 :
We're close. You know, we have a framework and, you know, we just we just got to nail down details, of course. And, you know, it'll, again, go to rules and it'll have rules. So, you know, there's some official text to be figured out and got to make sure you get the language right. But definitely really close.
SPEAKER 19 :
So as the concessions are made for conservatives, which I agree with, some Republicans are on the other side, kind of the moderate Republicans, fighting for an increase in the state and local tax cap. Where does that balance stand?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you know, the thing we don't want to be doing is to ratchet up the incentives for states who are doing things the wrong way.
SPEAKER 19 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 15 :
And disincentivize it for states doing things the right way. And so, you know, that's been kind of the pushback on the idea to massively expand SALT. Of course, we have to get enough votes to get all the good stuff that's in the president's agenda passed. You know, we're trying to provide a little leeway in the negotiations where it needs to happen to make sure that we get wins on the president's agenda. But, you know, I think we have a framework yesterday that they worked out that keeps the massive expansions that we were looking at. And so, again, it's just nailing down a couple of details. I think at this point I'm optimistic we'll be able to get there.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, I commend the Freedom Caucus for continuing to work on this in a reasonable manner. I mean, I think, you know, you've got to have the conversations. You can't just walk away from the table. But these two issues of the Medicaid and even the SALT caps, as you said, that allows the deduction that people in high income tax states receive. blue states that have failed policies. It really is a subsidy of those blue states. The same is true with the Medicaid expansion, that the blue states had expanded it to allow these able-bodied individuals who could be working to be on Medicaid. It's a disincentive to the states to do things responsibly.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And so bringing work requirements into it. And then one of the big issues when we're talking about, again, waste, fraud and abuse, as the president talked about yesterday and making sure that we're targeting that is some of the ways that states have kind of turned the Medicaid into a money laundering scheme. So, you know, it's very often it's very rare, I should say, that you have people coming to Washington, D.C. to say, please tax me more. This is one of those rare opportunities where you have entities coming to Washington, D.C. to say, please tax me more, because then they turn that fee into a reimbursement for the federal government. It's a way to kind of launder taxpayer money into states in a way that's not what this was for. It's clearly not the intention of what it was stood up for. And the fact that over time the focus has shifted from from the vulnerable, from the disabled, into incentivizing states to keep people out of the workforce, it's an issue. So we're trying to get as much done as we can in this opportunity. Of course, we didn't get here overnight. on all these issues and it's not going to be taken care of in one bill uh but there's you know we got to make sure that we have a course correction a significant course correction and we get a lot of wins for for the president's agenda that obviously the american people voted for all right final question for you congressman cloudwood sense of timing when do you think this may get to the floor uh sooner than later uh you know i i like to think uh You know, maybe we can finish, you know, this is a hot item, as you said, driving back from the White House. Now we're going to sit down and kind of put pen to paper and make sure we have an understanding of where we're headed. Could happen, the next step could happen tonight, tomorrow morning, hopefully, but certainly sooner than later. We don't want this to drag out for weeks. We need to get it done.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right, Congressman Michael Cloud of Texas, thanks so much for joining us today. Always great to hear from you.
SPEAKER 1 :
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SPEAKER 19 :
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All right, welcome back to Washington Watch. Check out the website, tonyperkins.com. Better yet, download the Stand Firm app so that you can have Washington Watch with you no matter where you go. You also have access to the Washington Stand, our news feed, news and commentary from a biblical perspective, as well as my daily commentary, Stand on the Word. Go to the App Store, download the Stand Firm app or text APP to 67742, and I'll send you a link. This past Friday, deadly tornadoes ripped through the states of Kentucky and Missouri. Tragically, at least 26 people were killed during this tornado outbreak, 19 in Kentucky and seven in Missouri. As with many disasters here domestically and abroad, our friends at Samaritan's Purse We're ready, and they are on the ground assisting both in Kentucky and Missouri. Here now to share more about the effort is Edward Graham. He is the chief operating officer for Samaritan's Purse. Edward, welcome back to Washington Watch.
SPEAKER 09 :
Tony, thanks for always having us on. We appreciate it very much.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, we're glad to see you out there serving in the name of Jesus, helping people in a very real way. Your relief teams, I mean, they were on the ground starting Monday in those two states. So what have you encountered thus far?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, sir. It always breaks your heart. There's so much loss and destruction. There's so many hurting people. Matter of fact, I was FaceTiming one of my key employees that works for North American Ministries. He was just across the border there in Illinois, there in St. Louis. We're responding. He was with the homeowner, introduced me to her, and it's just complete destruction. Everything behind her house was gone. It was just a field littered with debris. And I said, ma'am, I am so sorry. We love you and we're here to serve you. And she smiled, a broken smile, but she said, you know what? My family's still alive. We're still here and we can rebuild. And so you meet incredible people that though they're hurting, they're resilient. And we just want them to know they're not forsaken. They're not forgotten about. And that's why our volunteers, we have the equipment. We partner with the local churches and we show up to serve these families. So we've responded in two different locations right now. Right now we're in Laurel County, Kentucky. which a lot of loss of lives in that area. And then we're in St. Louis as well. So two locations that we need volunteers to come out and serve their neighbors in the name of Jesus.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right, before we get along too much further, where can people go to find out more about volunteering?
SPEAKER 09 :
And you can go to samaritanspurse.org and then you can scroll down and say how to get involved. And from there, it'll show our disaster relief sites and not just right now, the current disaster, these two tornadoes, but others we're currently deployed to and also rebuilds. These areas like in Western North Carolina, where we haven't left, we're still serving after Hurricane Helene, we're building homes for the underinsured and non-insured and volunteers can participate in that as well. You don't have to have any kind of experience. Even in disaster relief or in rebuilding, we just need volunteers that are willing to serve and get a little dirty.
SPEAKER 19 :
Now, this is not the only place, Kentucky and Missouri, that Samaritan's Purse is working. I mean, you're still on the ground from last September's Hurricane Helene. So, I mean, you've got opportunities to serve in a variety of places.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, sir, we sure do. As a matter of fact, we have volunteers every summer that go to Alaska. Those slots fill up quick because we build churches in rural Alaska and native villages there for some of those unreached villages. And this is all volunteer, you know, heavy driven here at Samaria's Purse. We can't do it without the volunteer. And so God, even though he trusts us with his widows might, part of that's his people and bringing the volunteer army. We're so thankful. But we just need people that are willing, like I said, to get a little dirty and not afraid to put their arm around someone, tell them they're loved and not forsaken. And these people, these homeowners, these communities, they're broken, they're devastated. It is complete destruction after a tornado. Some people, we have volunteers that have survived a tornado and then go out and volunteer and they know exactly what to say and what not to say. But don't be afraid. It's just one of those things, just willing to get out of the boat and take a step on water.
SPEAKER 19 :
And a couple of personal observations, having worked with Samaritan's Purse, even hosting them at my church when I was pastoring, is number one, very organized, like a military operation, no wasted time or energy. So if you go, you're not going to be sitting around twiddling your thumbs. You're going to be gainfully engaged. in ministering and helping people. But Edward, I want you to speak for just a moment. It is a great ministry to those who have been impacted by these storms, whether it be hurricane, tornado, flood. But the volunteers, it is a transformative work in the life of the volunteers. I've seen it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, sir. I'm glad you brought that up. You know, we work and serve to the local churches. We have local day volunteers, so local people, but people that can also sign up and come and spend the night or a couple days. And this is where we see sometimes families or youth groups, church groups that come, and it really does change. When you can go out and serve and see such destruction, but realize you can be part of an immediate response. Often we see something and we're like, I wish I could do something. I wish I could be part of the answer, the solution. Well, here you can. You can sign up and come, but more importantly, you can always be prepared to give a reason for the hope inside you. That's what Scripture says. And so, yes, we partner with the Billy Graham Rapid Response Chaplains. They're trained in sharing hope in crisis, but we expect even the Orange Shirt Volunteers, when you're running those chainsaws and heavy equipment that we teach you to use, That when that homeowner asks why you're here, you're prepared to give a reason because we love you. But more importantly, Jesus loves you. And most of all, volunteers expect them to give more to that homeowner. It's usually the other way around.
SPEAKER 19 :
I've seen that many times. So it's not only participation. We need people to volunteer, to help, but also to pray and also to help underwrite these efforts. If you can't go, maybe you can help underwrite someone else going and being a part of it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, sir. Well, you brought up prayer. You know, I look at that list of where we're deployed. That's your prayer list right now. If you can't actually go pray, pray for those that are going and for the opportunities to boldly share the name of Jesus.
SPEAKER 19 :
Edward Graham, always great to see you. And we are praying for all the volunteers out there at Samaritan's Purse. We appreciate all that you do.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thanks, Tony. And we appreciate it. We love your ministry. Praying for you guys and let us know if we can do anything to serve you.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right. Thanks so much. And folks, I do want to encourage you to check out the website. As he said, look where they're dispatched, where they're located. If you can't go, pray. Pray. Pray anyway. Just pray for the folks impacted and those who are ministering to them. All right. Don't go away. When we come back, Chris Mitchell joins us from Jerusalem. That's next.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for tuning in. All right, I want to invite you to take FRC's 21-day Family Bible Challenge through the Gospel of Matthew, which kicks off on June the 11th. I mean, you can invite your children, your grandchildren to join you. You can also invite neighbors. Do it in your neighborhood or your church. We have the entire reading plan for the 21 days. We have questions, study guide, family resources, even activities for children. All you need to do is text Matthew to 67742. That's Matthew to 67742. I'll send you a link. You'll have all the resources you need to make this a summer to remember by spending time in the life-transforming Word of God. Speaking of the word of God, our word for today comes from Zechariah 13, where the prophet speaks of the coming transformation of the Jewish people. On that day, there shall be a fountain opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to cleanse them from sin and uncleanness. And on that day, declares the Lord of hosts, I will cut off the names of the idols from the land so that they shall be remembered no more. And also I will remove from the land the prophets and the spirit of uncleanness. Now this passage mirrors the prophetic vision that Ezekiel had in Ezekiel 36. I will take you from the nations and gather you. I will sprinkle clean water on you. I will give you a new heart and a new spirit. Now this promise was partially fulfilled after the Babylonian captivity when open idolatry in Israel ceased. Yet it continues to be fulfilled spiritually today and will ultimately be fulfilled in the millennial reign of Christ. But even now, The cleansing fountain flows for all who will come to Jesus. For more on our journey through the Bible, text BIBLE to 67742. Earlier today, the IDF confirmed that it has eliminated a terrorist responsible for the death of a pregnant Israeli mother in Samaria. The terror attack from last week has become a new focal point for Israelis defending their homeland.
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This is not just another tragedy. It's the face of evil. A mother bringing life into the world, struck down by terror. The Prime Minister expressed the shock of the nation. This abhorrent attack shows the difference between us who cherish life and the terrorists who seek to destroy it, he said.
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That was Israeli government spokesman David Mincer last week. Now, this attack in Samaria, the region referred to by the international community as the West Bank, is where our friend Yossi Dagan is governor. In fact, he was with us in D.C. last week and had to return because of the attack. Now, here with the latest on this story and more from Jerusalem is another one of our friends, Chris Mitchell, Middle East Bureau chief at CBN News. Chris, welcome back to Washington Watch. And once again, thanks for staying up late.
SPEAKER 14 :
Sure. Great to be with you again, Tony.
SPEAKER 19 :
So what's the latest on last week's terrorist attack that killed a pregnant mother who was on her way to the hospital to give birth?
SPEAKER 14 :
It's hard to think of a more tragic ending to her life, Tony, on her way to deliver her fifth child in what could have been a celebration, another joy in their family. And she was tragically murdered. And then her baby right now, her son, is in critical condition, fighting for his life. Apparently, he was 50 minutes without oxygen. So we'll It's yet to be determined how he's going to survive or what condition he'll be surviving. But this is just one of many terror attacks that happen almost regularly there in Judea and Samaria, over 6,000 incidents in the last year or so, anywhere from throwing rocks to a shooting attack like this. They have found and eliminated the terrorists who did that. But this is something that the residents of Judea and Samaria. This is the biblical heartland of Israel. You were there just a few days ago, Tony, and these are the stories of Shiloh, Joshua, Abraham. You know, this is the heartland of the Bible, and this is, many of those people there believe they're fulfilling prophecy, and yet the world condemns them as settlers, usurpers, colonists, but they're just returning to their biblical heartland, their homeland, for more than 3,000 years.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. In fact, Tris, I was right on that very road where that incident took place just about three weeks ago. Now, the Samaria Regional Council, which Governor Dagan heads, moved their office to the site of the terror attack. What's the significance of this move?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they want to make sure that they're sending a message, that they're not leaving. If anything, they're going to plant their roots even deeper into this biblical heartland. And as I said, this is something they believe. They're fulfilling prophecy. The prophets said of old, Isaiah and Jeremiah, that the the people of Israel would return one day. And after 2,000 years, after the dispersion after 70 AD, that the Jewish people are coming back. And so the message is we're staying, we're not going to leave, we're going to plant our roots even deeper. And this is just one sign of what happens many times after a tragic terror attack like this.
SPEAKER 19 :
In Bible, believing Christians can stand with them by using the right terminology of referring to this as Judea and Samaria and not the West Bank, as the international community does, which really only seeks to incite and inflame the division in those areas.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and there's really been a momentum in the last year or so, Tony, and you've heard about this. The NRB is recommending, they did this last year, that all Christian broadcasters will use the term Judea and Samaria. There's a caucus on Capitol Hill about Judea and Samaria here in the Knesset as well. So there's a momentum to make sure that the biblical name that goes thousands of years replaces the West Bank term, which is only decades old, and really is a misnomer, and it really gives a different sense of really what this land is and who the people are that are settling it. And that is a pejorative term to many as well, but they believe they're coming back to their biblical homeland. And it's important to be praying for their safety as they go on the many roads that you were just a few weeks ago.
SPEAKER 19 :
It certainly is. It certainly is. Well, Chris, there's a lot happening in Israel. Let's start with the IDF's Operation Gideon's Chariots in Gaza. What's the status with that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it started just a couple of days ago, preceded by massive hundreds of airstrikes inside Gaza. Gideon's Chariot represents a strategic change in the way the IDF has been maneuvering since October 7th. The idea right now is to clear and control the land in Gaza, meaning that when they take over land, they're not going to cede it, they're not going to withdraw. They're going to control that land with the idea that they would continue to seize more land and squeeze Hamas into smaller and smaller territories while taking the population of Gaza to humanitarian areas to get them out of harm's way. So what this does is, what had been happening is that they would come into an area with special operations, they would control the area, but they would leave. And that way Hamas would return to that. So this is a big strategy right now, a change in strategy for Israel. And so the idea is two things, to defeat Hamas finally and to release all the hostages now. Twenty are still alive, we believe 38. have tragically died in captivity, and as many people are all over the world praying for their release.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, Chris, this is not coming without criticism. The United Nations, no surprise there, but the United Kingdom, France and Canada appear to be upset with Israel as it pertains to Gaza and the humanitarian aspects.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, exactly. Just the other day they came out, all three nations came against them, and threatening concrete actions against Israel. Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was on a press conference just earlier this evening defending what Israel is doing. Also Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell was saying, Speaking to these nations, what would you do if you had an enemy like Hamas on your border threatening to annihilate you, threatening to repeat what happened on October 7th? If that happened to either France, the UK, or Canada, things might be very, they might see things much differently. So Israel's defending its actions. Why they're trying to eliminate this menace from its borders.
SPEAKER 19 :
Chris Mitchell, my take is that Israel has to finish at this time. They can't pull back out and let it kind of fester. If they don't do it this time, I think the international community will not tolerate it.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I think so, too. This is probably the last chance that Netanyahu and the IDF have to make their case. And they have five divisions there, and they're moving presumably as fast as they can because it— getting pressure not only from these three nations and the United Nations, but also the White House would like to see this over as soon as possible. Perhaps that's a result of the meetings that President Trump had with Sunni leaders in the Gulf states. But this is probably the last opportunity that Israel has. He also said, Netanyahu said, that the relocation planned by President Trump is part of the day after the war in Gaza and where many of these Palestinians would end up in other countries and they would rebuild the Gaza Strip.
SPEAKER 19 :
Chris, you mentioned the White House. The Iranian supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, explicitly rejected the U.S. demand that Iran stop enriching uranium and said he doesn't, quote, expect much from the current negotiations.
SPEAKER 14 :
It seems like the red line for Iran is enriching uranium. They say that's a national privilege, a right for them to do it. And the aims of Steve Witkoff, the U.S. envoy, and the Trump administration seems to be a position that they cannot uranium. And how they come together in that remains to be seen. And it doesn't look, it seems like Iran is intransigent about enriching uranium. And I'm not sure how these negotiators are going to be able to come to an agreement that's satisfactory to the United States as well as Israel.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, back in mid-March, President Trump set a 60-day deadline in a letter to the Supreme Leader saying, you know, we've got to come to an agreement within those 60 days. Those 60 days have come and gone. We're into 38 days since the first official talks began between Iran and the U.S., and we're still no closer to a deal. You know, my sense is time is running out.
SPEAKER 14 :
Very much so, yeah. It seems like the patience of President Trump and the White House is running out. And if you see these both positions by Iran and the U.S. unbridgeable, we'll see what happens. And the possibility, I know there was a report in CNN, and whether or not that's reliable right now, but still the word is out there, well, Israel's preparing. for a military strike. Israel's been preparing for a military strike for years, but I'm not sure they would do anything while negotiations are going on, and if there was a deal, whether or not they would actually strike Iran's nuclear facilities if there was a deal with the U.S. and Iran.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, Chris, I would tend to agree with you. There was a CNN report released just today. Actually, I think it was yesterday. It says the U.S. has obtained new intelligence suggesting that Israel is making preparations to strike Iranian troops. nuclear facilities, even as the Trump administration has been pursuing a diplomatic deal with Tehran, multiple U.S. officials familiar with the latest intelligence told CNN. Now, I'll just, you know, my first read on this is I know the close relationship that the Israeli leadership has with the Trump administration at every level. And I also know that there's a lot of criticism when the Biden administration released intelligence on Israel and their military. I can't imagine that the Trump administration, the Department of Defense, the intelligence community would release anything that might signal or tip Iran off to what Israel might be doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, yeah, I would agree, Tony. And this this may be just trying to put more pressure on Iran. And throughout all this, there's just so much important issues to be praying about. I mean, we're not talking about that. We're talking about history changing events here. If Israel attacks Iran and we also need to pray for those people in Iran. A lot of people talk about the nuclear facilities, but there are tens of millions of people that have been suffering under this regime since 1979. We know that many people are actually coming to faith in Jesus through dreams and visions, but many of these people are hungering for freedom. And perhaps if these nuclear sites did go down, then There would be an uprising of the people. That's the hope or expectation of some people. But lots and lots to pray about here in the Middle East.
SPEAKER 19 :
You're absolutely right. And I know that our program actually reaches into Iran. And I want the Iranian people to know that we're praying for them. We do know that there are a lot of believers. There's revival taking place there. The regime does not represent the people by and large. Chris, I just have about a minute and a half left. I do want to encourage people to be praying for our leaders, leaders of Israel. And these are very important decisions. But as a believer, as a Bible believing Christian, I think it's extremely important that we pray that America is on the right side of the issue when it comes to Israel. Now, it doesn't mean we agree with everything they do or the tactics that they might take. But we have to, I think, be very careful because I believe the word of God in Genesis chapter 12, verse 3 remains in effect.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, history is replete with how Genesis 12, 3 turns out, that those that bless Israel will be blessed, those that curse Israel will be cursed. You know, we have a good friend, Bill Koenig, who's written a book, Eye to Eye, and he actually chronicled how standing against Israel, you know, can have consequences for nations, and particularly the U.S. So I think it's so important for the United States or any nation to be standing with Israel, as you say, not agreeing with everything, but standing with Israel and the Jewish people.
SPEAKER 19 :
Chris Mitchell, always great to see you. Thanks so much for your insights and information that you provide there from Jerusalem.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thanks, Tony.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right. Good night. All right, folks. I do want to encourage you to pray. Be praying for our nation, for our leaders, for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his team. Pray that the Lord would lead and guide and direct, and pray that the United States would be in a right posture as it pertains to Israel. All right, folks, out of time. Until next time, well, you know what the Apostle Paul says. He says, pray, stand, and then just keep standing.
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in this episode of the National Crawford Roundtable the guys talk about Biden's "recent" cancer diagnosis. Is this another example of the systemic deception instituted by the left intent on shaping the world to fit their narrative in another desperate attempt to cling to power? Or was tis an innocent oversight by his medical team? The guys also discuss the Comey "8647" seashell story. Is it really possible that he didn't understand the meaning? Should former government officials and/or entertainers be offered a wink and a nod, or expect prosecution when they threaten (of suggest) assassination of a U.S. President?
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Back again with the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast. My name is Neil Boron, host of Neil Boron Live, heard daily on WDCX in Buffalo, New York. All of us are back this week. We've had a couple of twofers going on for a while, but Bob Duco, host of the Bob Duco Show on WMUZ in Detroit, back again with us, and John Rush, host of Rush to Reason on KLZ in Denver. So we're all back. We've got a lot to talk about. Hope everybody's doing well. I wanted to touch on a couple of things that have been in the news, obviously, but one of them having to do with Joe Biden's recent, quote, recent cancer diagnosis. And this is one of these fascinating things because, you know, we've been told that. for years now that joe biden is perfectly well and he's got the best people looking after him his team of doctors numerous times throughout his pregnancy pregnancies presidency that would be a story um said that men can get pregnant you're right sorry throughout his presidency you know said he's fit as a fiddle this guy's good to go he's ready for another four years how in the world do you miss A PSA screening, a prostate screening. Come on. Like, does anybody buy this? Yeah. John, what do you think?
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You don't. You don't. I mean, us men and I had several listeners even ask me, it's like, John, do you know, do you go in and get, you know, regular checkups and things like that along these lines? In this particular case, there's a lot of things I don't get. checked up for. I'm not one of those guys that runs to the doctor on a routine basis, but as far as blood work and that kind of stuff goes, yes, on a routine basis, PSA levels get checked. And as you guys know, as those things start to escalate, it's a pretty good indication that further testing needs to be done. I mean, this is not rocket science. I'm not the president of the United States and I'm doing that. I guarantee you he was.
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And it's part of like routine screening, right? This is part of a normal blood test. Come on, I'm not buying this. Bob, I don't know if you talked about it on your program, but it just kind of doesn't make any sense. Other than the fact that this looks like another attempt to cover up the fact that they knew all along Joe Biden wasn't doing well, but they wanted us to believe he was just fine.
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Yeah. If you talk to... To doctors, actually, of all the different kinds of cancers and PSA tests and stuff, you know, prostate cancer is one of the earliest detectable cancers too. Correct. And so to think, and by the way, usually you're going to have prostate cancer for quite a while before it metastasizes to the bone. And so in this case, for them to say, oh, not only does he have cancer, but it's so far advanced it's metastasized to the bone, Come on. Clearly this had to be known. And John's absolutely right. When you're the president of the United States, you are checked way more detailed than any of us are. And so it is troubling to think that They knew he had cancer sometime during his first four-year term. They had to know that. It does bring into the question the White House physician. Now, Ronny Jackson, the former White House physician for Obama and for Trump, who's now a U.S. congressman, He says, okay, come on, this is just crazy. You don't miss something like that. So it does bring into question who the current White House physician is. He doesn't seem like a left-wing deep state guy, but I would definitely think that this had to be, just like his dementia, how could anybody claim, wow, we just learned he had dementia, and for them to say, wow, we just now learned that he has cancer, this advanced. They were willing to let not only a dementia patient But a cancer patient, they were willing to let that person continue a presidency and actually run for another four years. Biden wasn't running the show. I don't know who was. Jill, probably. But somebody else was running the show. We ought to find out who the president was. Who signed the pardons with the auto pen?
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Well, Ian, for both of you guys, the other question you have to ask is, you know, what else are they not telling us? Were there treatments actually going on? Was Joe getting some chemo? Was he getting some radiation? Was there any surgeries involved? I mean, these are things that, by the way, the American public is completely in the dark on. And we may never know for years to come. Who knows?
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Isn't his hair hair plugs? Aren't his hair hair plugs? Because I seem to remember him getting them a long time ago. Because I'm thinking if he got chemo, we should have seen him lose hair. And we didn't. But I remember quite a while back. If you remember the Clarence Thomas hearings from back when.
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And really quick, I got to stop you for just one second. Not everybody that goes through chemo loses hair. My dad had stage four colon cancer, went through all of that twice and never lost any hair.
SPEAKER 03 :
Really? OK. It's not always a given. I did not know that. OK. But if you go back to the Clarence Thomas hearings when Joe Biden was the chairman of those hearings, you could see they weren't just hair plugs. They were bad hair plugs, you know. And so obviously, if he would have lost his hair, he wouldn't have if it was fake hair. So we don't really know the state of his hair. But that's a good point that you bring up, too. So. Yeah, no, I don't believe for a second they didn't know that he had cancer throughout some of, if not all of, his four years.
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Really quick, I'd go back as far as to say that I would be shocked, guys, if while he was running in 2020 they didn't know this.
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You know, personally, I would be too. I would be too. But can I just say also, I think we're all in agreement on this. I told my audience, as I'm sure you guys told your audience, that when the diagnosis came out, first things first, we're Christians first. I encourage everybody to be praying for Joe Biden, for his health, for his family, for the people that are—you know, is he a political enemy? Has he been? Yes, but Jesus told us what to do with our enemies, okay, to pray for them, to pray for those who—to love our enemies and to pray for those who persecute us. So we can love him, we can pray for him, and we should, but that doesn't mean that we don't also call out and, you know, fight politically people that are enemies.
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You probably wouldn't wish cancer on anybody, period, no matter who it is. We wouldn't wish that on anybody.
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Of course not. Of course not. And I do wonder, I asked my audience this, if Trump got a cancer diagnosis, would he receive the same kind of gracious thoughts, prayers, and wishes for a speedy recovery from his political enemies on the left? As Trump and the – I mean, even Marjorie Taylor Greene is like, hey, wishing him the best.
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When Trump was shot, there were those that were coming out within minutes of him being shot saying, you missed. You missed.
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I know. So you're proving your own point, Bob.
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They've already proved it.
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No, you're right.
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Hey, we won't go into detail on this because we need to hear from our sponsors. But I just quickly want to ask, have you guys ever run across any of the conspiracy theories that Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are both dead? And what we've seen over the last few years are body doubles. I kid you not.
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There are literally listeners on that. What's that? But look at the photographs of his ears. OK.
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All right. Right.
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Slightly different here. Oh, yeah. You know, it's it's it's kind of like a flat earth crowd of people. There's no getting through to them. But yes, I find that absurd. But I have definitely heard it. There's no doubt. In all fairness, Nancy Pelosi kind of looks like. you know, rigor mortis set in a couple of years ago. Anyway, tales from the crypt or whatever.
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Yeah.
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I'm thinking of young Frankenstein scene with Marty Feldman. Okay. Here's death. Here's death at two years, one year, six months. And it's like, Hey,
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Speaking about movies and entertainment right before we hear from our sponsors, let me just say, anybody ever see the movie Fletch with the scene when he visits the doctor and has to end up singing Moon River? Anybody ever see that scene? I have not seen Fletch. It has to do with prostate exams. Let's just say that.
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Wow.
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he's singing moon river yeah exactly yeah it's a scene worth googling on or whatever on youtube check it out my i gotta say my doctor is a is a friend of mine also he's been my doctor for a long time he's a christian and a you know actually a listener to my show and such but yeah every time he has to give me a prostate exam or the you know the the prostate check or all that kind of stuff, you know, yes, we're always making just the horribly inappropriate jokes with each other. Once again, no dinner, no nothing, you know, just whatever.
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You know, I. It is interesting. Even Jon Stewart. OK, when you lose Jon Stewart and Bill Maher on the left, you know you're in trouble. And even Jon Stewart skewered Jake Tapper for saying, so basically you're giving us a bombshell revelation that Joe Biden was in mental decline. And you're selling us news for 27 bucks in your book that you should have given us a year ago for free on TV. And so but he's absolutely right. Yeah. Neil, to me, this this is a much larger issue because I would not have thought it possible. for something like this in the United States government to actually happen. There's a movie. I don't know if you guys have seen this movie or not. It's called Dave. Yes. And Kevin Kline, the actor, happens to be – he plays a character that is a spitting image of the actual president. The actual president has a stroke and whatever, can't function. So they hire this actor, Dave, who's an impersonator who looks just like the president, to basically pull off the presidency. No, I don't think that's what happened with Biden. I don't think this is a body double. But the fact is that you can have other people, you can have puppeteers basically creating the false impression that there's a president who's not really the president. And they did it. They got away with it. And you know our enemies around the world knew this. You don't think Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping and Iran's mullahs, you don't think that they knew? that Joe Biden was not there. He was an empty suit dementia patient. They knew this and they watched the United States carry this out, this scandal. I honestly really truly believe that this in a normal world would be the biggest scandal, political scandal of my lifetime, if not possibly the entire United States existence, that we have a president of the United States who's not really the president, and there is a backshadow government that's propping him up. That's serious. I think there needs to be congressional investigations to get to the bottom of this and find out who needs to be held accountable. And if that's Jill, so be it.
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Yeah. John, I can't argue anything along those lines at all. Again, I think, like I said earlier, we I don't know that we'll ever know the full extent of everything that's gone on for the past four to five years when it comes to Joe Biden and the Biden regime. It might be decades before we actually uncover everything that's gone on. That's my opinion. I just think there's a lot of things, to Bob's point, things that have been covered up. Were there actual body doubles? I mean, I don't know, guys. I'm not a conspiracy guy like a lot of people are out there. Although, there are plenty of pictures where when you look at those pictures of Joe from one day to even the next, there is a stark difference from one picture to the other that... I mean, again, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, as you guys all know, but you start looking at some of those pictures and it's like I get I get where these come from because they are there are stark difference from one to the other.
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yeah yeah and then on top of it is the effort to get him re-elected like if he was never the president in the first place apparently and then the effort to continue the deception thank god for the one live debate that revealed to the american public that joe biden was not capable of being the president of the united states and that opened the door for trump's you know comeback win and becoming the 47 president But it does beg the question, who then was running the country? Don't we deserve to know about that? And I'm with you, Bob. I think that there needs to be some type of congressional investigation. There's got to be some records somewhere that indicate what was really going on. And by the way, compare Joe Biden's record while in office as to how many stand-up press conferences he did where he took open questions from the press pool versus what Donald Trump did just in his first hundred days. I mean, it's staggering. Absolutely staggering. And off the cuff, impromptu. And by the way, these same people who said Joe Biden was fit, do you recall, tried to make a case that Donald Trump was unfit, that he himself was struggling really bad and incapable of being the president. You see it going both ways.
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Actually, Neil. Think about how many times in 2017 and 2018 the left tried to push for a 25th Amendment-type issue until Donald Trump, with his annual White House physical, says, you know what, give me the mental acuity cognitive test also. And he aces a 30 out of 30 and said, I kind of shut that down. But the very same people on the left that was screaming 25th Amendment – We're not willing to consider 25th Amendment with Joe Biden. This was all about how do we hold on to power? And if we can hold on to power and keep him propped up and deceive the public enough, let's do that. And once the debate came out, we can't get away with this anymore. All right, let's scramble somehow, some way. And then the media trying to cover themselves with, what? Wow, we're learning we were deceived by the Democrat. You weren't deceived. You were in on it. Shut up.
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Really quick, the other problem they had, Bob, along those lines was why they didn't do things earlier is because it didn't take long for them to figure out that they had Kamala, which was an utter disaster, as it all turned out in the end anyways. And I think a lot of them internally knew that they couldn't have her be president. That would actually be worse than what it was with her even on the campaign trail. So they had they had sort of this huge dilemma of what do we do now? We don't have any choice but to prop this guy up. That's my thought process.
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yeah you're probably right and which is also why when when kamala emerged which by the way was completely talk about lack of democracy or at least democratic process in our country you know nobody voted for kamala harris they pushed her to the forefront and there were And I'm sure the Obamas were behind it. Who else knows? But, you know, big donor Democrats and stuff who wanted to get their way. They push her out front, but she's got nothing to run on. So if you recall, the whole thing, in my estimation, revolved around the vibe. Like, hey, there's been so much negativity, but look at the happy vibe you get from Kamala. I mean, it's going to be a better world. Because she's so happy. And look at how she smiles. And it was like, what? There was nothing there.
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But in all fairness, we were being unburdened by what has been. That's true. Please.
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You can't forget that. Exactly. And we definitely got unburdened by what had been.
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Yeah.
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In the end.
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Yes, we did. This is true. Quick question here. We don't have a lot of time before we talk about our sponsors again. But I want to ask you about... This most recent story here that the Democrats are pushing their biggest donors to help find the next, quote, Joe Rogan. In other words, I think the Democrats are realizing that alternative media, podcasters and others have a lot of power. They've got a lot of voice. I just don't think they have anything to talk about. They don't have a message. But. Anybody worried that there's going to be an onslaught of liberal, left-leaning talk show hosts that help turn this thing in favor of Democrats and progressives? I'm not really worried about it, but I wonder what you guys thought since you're in this business.
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Actually, I'll tell you right now, I'm not quote-unquote worried about it, but realistically, I do think that the pendulum – is probably going to swing in that direction at some point, where before you know it, you have some... There was a time where there were some big-name leftists that were doing radio, people like Tom Likas and... I can't think of the guy, the liberal Rush Limbaugh who died a few years ago. Can't think of his name now. He was an MSNBC host even. But my guess is that they'll probably get some people like that to catch on and become very popular. To a certain extent, you have some people like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher who are liberals who are able to create a following, but they haven't really been able to control the podcast market yet. And so I'd be surprised if they didn't.
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I don't think they've even bought into the whole left agenda that's out there. I mean, look at some of what Bill Maher's done of late. I mean, that guy's actually getting demonized by his own. Even if he were somebody that wanted to go do that, the left wouldn't have that anyways.
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I know. And that's one of the things that I think the left in this country, they have to figure out what is our brand going to be? I mean, who are we really going to be? Because think about Tim Kaine, who could have been the current vice president of the United States. OK, this is a guy who just the other day. said that ICE agents are Trump's Gestapo. So how do you take law enforcement officers who are risking their lives to try to capture MS-13 and Tren de Aragua gang members and trying to protect the public from that? How do you equate them to the Gestapo of the Nazis and Adolf Hitler? The This is sick and twisted. This is a guy that was the nominee to be the vice president of the United States. This is who the Democrat Party has become. So they've got to figure out, are they going to be the Democrat Party of people like Bill Maher? The centrists will say, come on, enough is enough. Stop stealing the trophies from the women in sports. Or are they going to be the crazy AOC wing? And I don't know who they're going to be, but if they can get a moderate voice, for the Democrats, then yeah, I think that guy can become a new Joe Rogan on the left. They just got to figure out who it's going to be.
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All right. 10 second response. Do you trust a guy like Bill Maher going to the White House? checking out Donald Trump, I kind of commend him for that. Like, I think that there's a tiny bit of an open mind there. I do too.
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Yes, I do too.
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I commend both of them. Okay. Bill Maher deserves a lot of credit for saying, you know something, I'm going to go there and shake Donald Trump's hand. Of course, let's have his civil dialogue. And you know something, Trump deserves credit too for saying, sure, I'll shake his hand. Kid Rock, go ahead and bring him off dinner with him. And I'll be very cordial and friendly with him too. Okay. Both of them were the adults in the room.
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What I think, you know, is going to carry the day is truth. And because conservatives have truth largely on their side, certainly not perfect on the conservative side, but we're talking about truth. We're talking about common sense. And, you know, you see this clearly with pre-born as a, for instance, Bob, what women are seeing is the child they're carrying in their womb. It's undeniable truth that they're carrying a human being that often somewhere around 80% of the time helps a woman choose life for her baby. Thank God for groups like pre-born.
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Yeah, it's absolutely stunning what light can do to heal the human body. We all know that sound waves have power. It's why people have sonic toothbrushes or why a serious sonic boom can actually throw someone out of bed in the middle of the night because sound waves have power. Well, light waves do as well. And some of them are so high frequency that our own eyeballs don't pick it up, kind of like a dog can hear a sound that a human can't. Well, our eyeballs are not capable of seeing the highest intensity light that is used by SunPower LED. But let me tell you, it's making a difference. My son, for instance, plays softball and he's now in his 30s. He used to play high school and college baseball. He's got basically tennis elbow in both arms and especially the one he used to pitch with. And he uses red light therapy to help calm that down. So he's able to continue his, quote, career, you know, having fun playing slow pitch softball with the guys. And the results are amazing. Red light therapy can reduce pain and swelling and promote healing in your body. in all different ways with all kinds of different applications. So I urge you to see the videos, check it out for yourself, find out what red light therapy can do for you. Utilize the very light God himself created to help heal your body. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on SunPowerLED. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on SunPowerLED. Well, another half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast coming up in just a moment. My name's Neil. I got Bob Duco with me, John Rush as well, and we will continue in just a moment.
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Well, let's get back to it. Part two here, second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. My name is Neil Boron, host of Neil Boron Live on WDCX Radio in Buffalo, New York. And today I'm hosting the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. Bob Duco, colleague in Detroit. He's the host of the Bob Duco Show. And John Rush, host of Rush to Reason in Denver, Colorado, joining us as well. And these guys are not only colleagues and professionals, they've become friends over the years, really enjoy the opportunity we have to spend time together here on the roundtable. And we've got a lot to talk about this during the second half here. But, Bob, I've got to ask you real quick. What's going on in Detroit, man? The lions have enjoyed a couple of winning seasons and the Detroit tigers have the best record in baseball. Like I saw that this morning. I'm like, what? These people must be listening to the Bob Duco show or something.
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I know why they must be. I mean, we're doing some woohoo and around Detroit right now. There's no doubt, but yeah, major league baseball, we're setting it on fire. And so I, you know, I think it's great. And well, well, the, uh, Tigers be able to continue this streak? I sure hope so. Which, by the way, the Detroit Pistons had a great season this year. They got off to the playoffs, but they still had a really great season. So it's like, my goodness, this is a place to be a sports fan. Although I do have to say, and not to throw in a curveball, pardon the pun, but with baseball being talked and the Tigers being talked up here, we've had some serious debates here on this show about baseball. Pete Rose being reinstated now to Major League Baseball. And was he disproportionately punished? And in my honest opinion, I think he was disproportionately punished. I think he deserved to be punished, but not a lifetime ban and certainly not an eternity ban, which is what some people are calling for right now. So I'm glad to see that he's being reinstated. I would have liked to have seen him at least be reinstated. During his during his lifetime, he died a few months ago at 83. But I would have rather seen that, you know, it's like, let's be forgiving. He was punished. He paid his debt to the sports world. But I think he overpaid his debt. So that's that's my take, even though I know some people disagree with.
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Yeah, that's a side note.
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I just want to throw that in.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you. No, thank you for bringing that up. I thought at one point, maybe we should talk about that and we won't go into great detail here, but I agree with you. I think he should have been reinstated at some point. The story is, and of course there may be details none of us know about, but that he only bet on his team winning, not losing. That's correct. That is correct. Right. That is, which means like you, he wasn't, he wasn't throwing games to his benefit somehow. Right. He was saying, and the other thing is, He had more than 1,000 – he had 4,000-plus hits, broke Ty Cobb's record. Most people are celebrating when they get to 3,000 hits. The idea of going over 4,000 hits, this guy was an absolutely incredible player. And to try to keep him out of the Hall of Fame, I mean, he was being treated more harshly than the Menendez brothers, like – They're talking about reducing the sentence. They're like, come on. Anyway, I'm grateful to see you turn around. John, do you have any opinion on that?
SPEAKER 03 :
By the way, I'm sorry. Just real quick, John. Before you even throw it to John, can I just say regarding Pete Rose, yes, he had ugly demons in his closet, there's no doubt. But the Hall of Fame is supposed to be about what you do on the field. It's not supposed to be a measure of somebody's character. If it's going to be a measure of somebody's character, you know who one of the – I hate to say this, but had a reputation for being one of the worst racists that there were? Ty Cobb. Okay. So, yeah. So is he now taken out of the Hall of Fame? Because, you know, so let's face it. There are a lot of skeletons in people's closets. And, you know, I had somebody, I had a caller ask me, okay, so, Bob, do you think then that O.J. Simpson should be in the Football Hall of Fame and still be in the record books with his Heisman trophies? And I say, well, yes, he should be – what he did on the field deserves to be in the hall of fame, but there should be an asterisk with it. Oh, by the way, a double murderers in the hall of fame. Okay. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't a hall of fame football player. He was. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
What did you say, John?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, if the baseball glove doesn't fit. If the glove doesn't fit, you have to quit. That's right. Because Pete Rose always had trouble getting his glove on. So that is true.
SPEAKER 02 :
You want to know something? You mentioned Tom Likas earlier, a liberal talk show host. I might have said this. In 1992 – At the Democratic Convention in New York City, I was in Madison Square Garden. I was situated way up in the bleachers, you know, way up in the media section somewhere. And I was working for Focus on the Family as an East Coast correspondent, kind of doing like undercover work, talking to liberals and progressives without them really knowing who I was, getting some incredible soundbites. But Right next to me literally right next to me was Tom like us and I could only take it for like a day and I'm Like I'm gonna have to find somewhere else to work This isn't work and he was he was unbelievable and the reason I brought that up is because he was talking about the OJ Decision at that point. No, I tell you what he's he got on my radar screen at that point and then later when you know, it came out and that O.J. was found innocent, he kind of asked his audience and he said, you know, do you agree with this? I only want to hear from the black people. Like, do you really think that a double murderer should be found innocent? And they said, because of what happened in slavery, almost like a reparations thing, because of what happened in slavery, yes, he should be innocent no matter what, even if he killed his wife. Okay. All right. Well, interesting conversation. That was, yeah. Well, um, so Pete Rose may end up in the hall of fame. We'll see where that goes. All right. Um, A couple of other things here to talk about in the second half, but we haven't really touched on James Comey, former FBI director, big friend of President Trump, of course, over the years. Really, really love these two guys. Hang out every chance they get. But the 86-47 seashell story. I don't know if one of you wants to put it in perspective for us what happened there, but. He claims he ran across some seashells on the beach, I guess posted it to social media somehow. But the shells or the stones, whatever, were in the shape of 86, 47. 86 referring to like, you know, in the underground world of the mafia and stuff, killing someone. 86 them. 86 them, yep. Knock them off, kill them. And then 47 referring to his presidency. And he's like, Comey's like, well, I just, I thought it was just a collection of seashells on the beach. He came up with these other crazy ideas.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you think he admitted he admitted that he knew that this was political? So he knew the 47 was referring to Trump because he said, I assume that this is a political message. So he already knows 47 applies to Trump. So but he's claiming he doesn't know what 80. I started out in the restaurant business when I was a kid. OK, so, yes, in the restaurant business, 86 is a term for when you're out of something. OK, we're out of hamburgers. All right. We're 86 hamburgers. All right. Yeah. So, but yes, in the mafia world, 86ing is often, if you 86 a person, that means to eliminate that person, to cause them to cease to exist, to kill them. How does the director of the FBI be so clueless to assassination nomenclature, to not know that 86 is a reference to offing somebody? Of course he knew that. And if he's going to say, Well, I didn't know what that meant. I just thought it was as his clever and then take a picture of it and say, this is cool. OK, if you don't know what 86ing Trump means, then are you open to the possibility that 86ing meant, hey, compliment Trump, vote for Trump, support Trump, back Trump? How do you know it's not something complimentary of Trump? It's a great question. Then take a picture of it and say, hey, this is cool. What a clever message. No, he clearly knew what 86ing the president meant. And frankly, I'll bet you he's the one that arranged the seashells and took a picture of it and got his wife to agree with him on this bogus story.
SPEAKER 05 :
There's some theories out there, Bob, that because of the artisticness of kind of how they were assembled and so on, that he had no artistic ability, but his wife did. So there's some theories out there that she was just involved in this as he was. And it was probably a joint venture and not just him running across some shelves.
SPEAKER 03 :
I wouldn't be a bit surprised because, you know what? She has to know how corrupt and dishonest he was in everything that he did as FBI director. So for all I know, maybe she's his Jill Biden.
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SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, absolutely. CrawfordMediaGroup.net is where you want to be to support our sponsors, and we certainly hope you'll do that. So back to James Comey and the 86-47 story. If you're just tuning in for some reason, found this collection. It says he found this collection of seashells or stones or whatever on the beach arranged in a way that looked like the number 86-47. 47 implying Trump, 86, you know, let's knock him off, basically. It's a mob term, essentially, about killing an individual. And kind of plain stupid on this, acting like, well, I didn't really know this. And it was political, but didn't know it meant killing the president. Well, I guess time will tell. Maybe we'll get to the bottom of it and learn more about it. But he's not the only one who's ever done this. There have been an awful lot of people in Hollywood, mainstream stars whose names you would recognize, who've done something similar in the past. Robert De Niro comes to mind. I think Snoop Dogg Been a part of this. There have been others. I remember the comedian, the red haired comedian. I remember her name, but she had the Kathy Griffin, Kathy Griffin. Yeah. The bloodied, decapitated, you know, fake head of Donald Trump holding it in her hands at some point. Isn't isn't just joking about it actually a crime? Because a lot of these people try to pass it off as a joke. I don't think De Niro did. But others say, hey, no, I'm just kidding here. You know, hey, rest easy. It's just comedy. But at some point, isn't talking about the assassination of the president itself a crime?
SPEAKER 03 :
It used to be. Yeah. Last time I checked.
SPEAKER 02 :
Used to be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. You know what? It's just the way that the – you know who I see a big villain here being too is the media. I know I hammer them a lot. But you know what? Come on. When Obama was president – I'm trying to imagine any conservative right-wing person who's a Trump supporter. I'm just trying to imagine them, let alone a government official like a former director of the FBI, taking a picture of some seashells and say 86-44, I think it was. I can't imagine such a thing. The press would have a cow over that. Of course there would be congressional investigations over this. With with James Comey and the idea of, hey, off angle. Oh, by the way, this isn't just any president that you're making a joke about. Hey, somebody kill him. It's not just any president. This is somebody who's already survived two assassination attempts, including having a bullet ripped through his ear. OK, so this is even more offensive. of an egregious thing to think something like this is cute. And he's supposed to be the former director of the FBI. This guy's got no credibility at all, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. John, should there be a further investigation? Should there be an attempt to prosecute any of these people? I mean, Pearl Jam did something similar. Madonna, Johnny Depp, Snoop Dogg. I mean, this happens and there's an awful lot of people frustrated about Donald Trump. Should we just look the other way and say, hey, guys, knock it off? Or should there be some attempt to put a clamp on it?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, I think politically speaking, just move on. Don't worry about it as much as a lot of folks out there listening. You probably would disagree with that. I think at this point in time, move on, focus on the things that really matter. Let's get things back on track in the country, get the economy back where it needs to be. Even the political, you know, the the how you want to say it, you know, what Pam Bondi is having to do and some of the things that are involved in that end of things. Let's get law and order back where it needs to be. And There's always going to be those are the centers, those people that are that way. You know, let let them act out who they really are and their true colors will show. And, you know, off we go.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you know what? I'm going to I'm going to push back on you, John. OK, I I think we need to walk and chew gum at the same time. I agree with all the stuff that needs to be done. But when we give them a pass for stuff like this, OK, it just perpetuates is happening more and more. I think this is a point where the right needs to stand up and say, no, you know what? We're going to fight back. And we're not going to allow you to get away with this nonsense anymore. We're sick of the double standard where if we color slightly outside the lines, you want to schedule impeachment hearings. But you guys are allowed to make jokes about assassinating the president. And we're just going to, well, let's move on and focus on other things. Moving on doesn't work because then they realize we've got to pass to do anything we want to. So, yeah, let's push the agenda forward. But at the same time, no, we're going to hold you accountable. Don't do crap like this anymore. So I think we've got to make an issue out of it and make an example of them and say we're going to fight back. You need to start being just as afraid of Republicans and conservatives when we're in power as you've made us be afraid of you. But the difference is we're not going to make up bogus crimes.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, so personally, I think you've got to be a little careful because on the one hand, you've got the freedom of speech issue and how far does it extend, whatever. But then remember what happened outside the Supreme Court justices' homes? There was protesting there and potentially an attempt to sway their position on things like— Which was a crime. It is a crime, right. So, I don't know, I tend to agree more with Bob that we need to look at it seriously because you also have the effect of where if somebody's saying this publicly, what it's, what do they call it, a copycat crime, for instance, when somebody, there's a school shooting, sometimes there's multiple school shootings all, you know, within a short period of time. on the copycat thing well what about suggested type crimes when somebody starts saying hey just knock off the president ha ha ha and then somebody does or attempts to and it creates this idea that well maybe we'll get in on this maybe somebody can actually succeed at it i i think for that reason it has to be taken seriously but uh anyway let me ask you this we don't have a lot of time here are you and i agreeing with each other against john wow what is happening right it's like an alternative universe thing Right now. Yeah. Well, it's not me. It's my body double that's agreeing with you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, this is true because you know what? Your ears do look different in some of your more recent photos.
SPEAKER 02 :
There we go. Exactly. So here's a question. I just was thinking about this. There's nothing necessarily in the news, but does this whole MAGA movement, you know, the attempt to trim the size of government and move in a more conservative direction, the um common sense revolution lord i hope so but is there enough momentum is there enough staying power minus donald trump to see this continue in the future like at the end of his term unless he figures out a way to get a third term and i would be against that constitutionally 100 so but You know, if Donald Trump at some point is gone and Lord willing, not via assassination, but if he's out of the picture, can the MAGA movement, this conservative movement continue or will there be an attempt to just go back to rhino business as usual in the Republican Party? Bob, do you have an opinion on that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I do think it has the potential to continue. I don't think you necessarily have to have a figurehead that's the face of it. I mean, Donald Trump is the figurehead face of the MAGA movement right now. But before Donald Trump became the face of this, there was the Tea Party movement. And this was an actual real movement. And I don't know that you could take one individual and see them as the de facto leader of the Tea Party movement. There were individual leaders within it. So I do think that there is a philosophical movement that can happen. There were the 99 versus 1 percent on the left, the 99ers and such. And so, yeah, I do think that the MAGA movement itself has the potential – to continue forward if they come up with some kind of an organizational structure similar to how the Tea Party movement had an organizational structure. If they can do something like that, then I think they can make themselves viable post-Trump. Right now, it's a lot easier when you have an individual that's the face of it, and Trump is certainly the face of it. So it's going to be difficult, but I don't think it's impossible. The movement has staying power.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, so, but John, what about you? With Donald Trump not at the epicenter at some point in the future, is there enough state power?
SPEAKER 05 :
We still have, this is the difference between us and the left, we have a lot in our bench along those lines. So, you know, what I mean by that is, you know, we talked even yesterday on our program. You know, J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio, you talk about a ticket there that might even be possible as we head into the next election cycle. And there's a lot of others, by the way. It's not just those two. But, you know, can the momentum continue to move forward on our side of the fence? I believe so. Yes. In fact, we've got some real solid leaders, people that can actually go out, talk to the press, talk to the public and so on. The left, on the other hand, as we talked earlier, they've got a huge issue going on because, frankly, they well, First of all, they don't understand what true leadership is. They have a lot of talking points. They rant. They rave. They do a lot of things on emotion. But they really don't have any real true leaders on their side of the aisle. And as we all know, when you have no real leadership, things will falter. And that's what's happening on the Democrat side. We have true leaders on our side. And, yeah, I believe, Neil, they'll rise to the top as soon as Donald Trump is done. Somebody will come in and take his place. And I'm like, Bob, it doesn't have to be just one person. Collectively, can this be done? Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 02 :
Come to think of it, because I'm thinking about people that are very verbal. Like I think JD Vance has the academic and verbal acumen, you know, to step in and make some important things happen. I'm not such a big fan of Marco Rubio for those reasons. It's not that I dislike where he stands on issues or anything. It's just, I don't see the strength of leadership. But what about people like Vivek Ramaswamy? You had him on your program, Bob, right? What happened to him? He's kind of out of the picture. Well, he's running for governor of Ohio.
SPEAKER 03 :
He's running for governor of Ohio. I think he has to try to focus on that more locally and try to convince people that he is not just a – crazy bomb thrower, but he knows how to be a traditional professional politician that independents can trust to vote. So that's why I think he's probably pulled back somewhat in his bombastic Trump Jr. kind of personality and style. That's my best guess.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I knew he was running for governor, but for a while he was on Fox News every single night. He had this very national presence and all of a sudden not so much. So I was like, well, has he found disfavor in the party or something? I'm not sure. I don't think so.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think he's just afraid of not looking gubernatorial when he goes on Fox News too much. So I really think that's all it is. It's just a branding thing that I'm going to have to get some centrist. So let me color within the lines and put on a tie and look a little bit gubernatorial. And that's really what I think he's doing right now.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. Well, interesting. And we're going to obviously be watching closely to see where all of this goes. And the big thing in the future, near future, is the midterms and whether or not there's enough to get the Republicans across the line here to be able to retain control of the House and Senate. We'll have to watch how that plays out.
SPEAKER 03 :
Can I throw in a quick curveball, just real quick? I am kind of curious to get you guys' take on this. Neil, sorry to grab this from you, but what do you guys think of the Golden Dome idea? I'm surprised it took us this long. To have something like this. Israel's got it. Why in the world doesn't the United States have it? You know that China hates it. China's already come out now and said, you know, we condemn this. You know, Russia hates it large. I think this is brilliant on Trump's part. Absolutely. We should have a golden dome. Why in the world don't we?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, well, Ronald Reagan was kind of talking about something similar back in the day. I know, he's made fun of Star Wars. Yeah, back in the day. I actually had it on my list here to bring up, but I had it at number six, so we didn't make it that far. But I'm glad you brought it up, seriously, because it is an issue, and I think it would be appropriate to pursue it. Why would Israel have something like that, but not the U.S.? We're fully capable of doing it. But it's like 600-something billion. I don't remember what they were saying.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, they're talking about $175 billion is what they're estimating the total cost of it will be. But Trump's original bill right now they're trying to push through has $25 billion to at least get it kicked off.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, well, I think the $175 billion will cover the feasibility studies. You wait and see. It's going to be way more than what they're saying. Yeah, that probably would be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Although, if anybody knows how to come in under budget, it is Trump. So, you know, we'll see. But, you know, you could be right.
SPEAKER 02 :
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Frank Marano, known for his engaging presence on 'The Other Side of Midnight,' is now taking on a new role as a city council member for Staten Island. In a candid interview, Frank shares the emotional and practical considerations behind leaving the microphone for a seat in city council. With a clear-eyed look at the issues facing New York City, including the contentious sanctuary city status and the challenges of illegal immigration, this episode offers a unique perspective on what it means to truly serve a community. Tune in to hear about Frank's campaign journey, his inspirations, and how he intends to shepherd change in his beloved city.
SPEAKER 01 :
One of my dearest broadcasting friends is a guy by the name of Frank Marano. Now, New York City audiences know Frank Marano because he's been on the air for years. He served as Joe Piscopo's loyal producer for many years before going over to WABC and getting his own incredibly successful show called The Other Side of Midnight. And Frankie Five Burrows, as Joe Piscopo lovingly called him, decided to run... for city council representing his beloved Staten Island. And incidentally, if I lived in New York again, I'd be a Staten Island resident because those are my people. You've got firefighters and cops and wonderful patriots who love Donald Trump. It's a weird kind of an oasis in the desert of progressivism in New York City. So Frank decides, I want to be a city councilman from Staten Island. And lo and behold, He wins. So we had to sit down with my longtime friend, Frank Marano, to catch up on the Mike Gallagher Show. Frankie, it's great to have you back with us. It's been a long time. I keep going to New York, and you're busy, and I'm busy, and we haven't caught up in person. You're a family man. You've got a beautiful family. And now you're a city council member. Is this the case of the dog chasing the car and catching the car and doesn't know what to do now? I mean, you're actually a member of the New York City Council?
SPEAKER 02 :
Nobody's more shocked than I am about it, Mike. It's eerily reminiscent of when Sonny Bono became a congressman. I'm not sure if the joke was on him or everybody else.
SPEAKER 01 :
Stay away from ski slopes. Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
It took us all 40 seconds to go into a morbid sense of humor.
SPEAKER 01 :
We need you forever. But this is wild because, first of all, just talk about the decision to sort of bid farewell to your radio career to become a politician in New York.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Mike. You know, as you said, there's been no not only we've been friends for over two decades, but privately and publicly, I've had no better cheerleader in radio than you. And some of your audience may remember. seven years ago you were kind enough to give me the opportunity to actually fill in for you on the nationally syndicated mike gallagher show and i still get people that reach out to me based on this is how wide your audience is and what an incredible memory they have about some of the things that we talked about for the few days that i filled in for you seven years ago so thank you and i it I meant so much to me even when I was an intern at WABC many years ago. You had done a guest appearance, and we had done some on-air stuff together. And because I held you in such high regard radio-wise, when you came to me off-air and said, you know, you really sound great, it was so encouraging, and it meant so much to me. And I really can't thank you enough for all of your –
SPEAKER 01 :
I am a huge, huge Frank Morano fan, of course, and I've been a cheerleader for you for many years. And incidentally, when you filled in, you knocked it out of the park, which was no surprise. And you created something overnight at WABC that has really been amazing. I mean, a solid number one. Everybody knows about Frank Marano and the other side of midnight. And you and I are lifelong broadcasters. And I often think, you know, people sort of jokingly say to me, hey, Gallagher, you got to run for office someday. I wouldn't dream of walking away from a talk show like this one to become a politician. And so I was thinking a lot about you on a personal level. How hard was it to make that decision? Because I know how much you love radio. We have a mutual friend, Tom Likas. You and Tom know every radio story of everybody in the country. And you're very much alike that way. And I love spending time with either one of you as much as I can. So, Frank, how difficult was it to pull the trigger and say, I'm going to run for city council?
SPEAKER 02 :
Honestly, and I don't want to be overly melodramatic here. It was the most difficult personal and professional decision that I've ever that I've ever made. And I really agonized over it. And again, not to be not to act like my decisions have the fate of the weight of the world on them. But I prayed over it. Honestly, and ultimately, I thought of my son Carmine. I loved doing the show that we were doing the other side of midnight in the middle of the night. To me, there's nothing more fun than doing radio in the middle of the night.
SPEAKER 01 :
It's always it's always been kind of my fantasy because the intimacy, right, Frank, the way to connect with people overnight is very different from a daytime show.
SPEAKER 02 :
And it's really the only place where you could spend a half hour on the Russia-Ukraine conflict, followed by a half hour on what's your favorite pen and asking people to call in their pen preferences. And I love that versatility. I love being able to tell a story about my difficulties planting some sort of problem. flower that my wife wanted me to plant and the difficulties with car trouble and still be able to do alien topics or geopolitical topics. To me, it's the best day part in the world because you have that kind of versatility and the audience likes that. So I I honestly it all came down to my son, Carmine. You know, we have a three year old and almost everybody that I grew up with moved out of New York and off of Staten Island. And I just wanted to be able to tell my son, Carmine, that when he was an adult, that I did everything that I could to keep him here. And I thought this was a good way to do it. So I figured both during the campaign and if I'm fortunate enough to be elected. And so far, you know, at least for the special election I have, although I have another election coming up right around the corner. I wanted to be able to tell him that I left it all out on the field and that I did whatever I could to keep him here.
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And I have such a deep personal admiration for this because the truth of the matter is I can joke about, oh, why would I run for politics? I couldn't afford the pay cut. Ha, ha, ha. I like my gig. I like the few hours a day. The truth of the matter is... You put your money where your mouth is. You love New York. You love Staten Island. You are committed to your community in a way that it just speaks volumes of you. It doesn't surprise me knowing your character, but it just speaks the world of you promising to little Carmine, I'm going to make New York City a better place by being a part of the inner circle, by being part of the legislators who who can make a difference. Look, we like to think we're important, us big mouth talk show hosts, but the real power comes in the city halls and in the state legislatures and the county commissions and the gubernatorial offices and, of course, federal office. So I don't want to minimize what you did. Let's talk about the challenges that you have to face, because on June 24th, you've got the Republican primary coming up, right?
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Right. So I was elected April 29th, and I basically will get to serve for the end of the year, finishing the term of my friend Joe Borelli, who held this seat before me. And now if I win this Republican primary and the November election, I'll be able to serve for another four years. So I am hopeful that we're going to be able to do that. And so far, the response is pretty favorable. I'm Most of the South Shore of Staten Island doesn't seem to think I've screwed up anything too badly yet, and they're not ready to throw me out of office just yet.
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So who's challenging you on the June 24th primary?
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So there's two candidates on the ballot. One of them is one of the fellows that just ran in the special election, Griffin Fasella, who's the son of a very prominent, very well-respected politician in the New York area, Vito Fasella. And the other one is another gentleman who has a great resume and seems like actually a pretty nice guy. His name is John Buthorn. He's a retired cop, and he's been in the military as well. So look, I Neither of these guys are slouches, so I'm not taking anything for granted. I'm working very hard, just as hard as I did during the special election, to try and convince as many Republicans as possible to vote for me on June 24th. And by the way, whether people live in Staten Island or not, if you want to check out our website at moranoforcouncil.com, you can see some of the ideas that I have that I think people around the country will relate to. And if people wanted to help our efforts, you can make a campaign contribution as well, moranoforcouncil.com.
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Well, I've been to moronoforcouncil.com, and all of your ideas are splendid. Again, no surprise, but Staten Island knows what they've got with you. Incidentally, just for the record, I don't want to be cocky, or I don't want to be overconfident for your chances, but in the special election, were you and Fosella close, or did you win pretty handily?
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Well, thankfully, we won pretty handily. Even in a three-way race for the special election, we got almost 60 percent of the vote. So I think a lot of folks thought that it was going to be a much closer race than it was. Honestly, I thought it was going to be a bit tighter. I did think that I was going to win, but I thought it was going to be a bit of a tighter margin. Someone that didn't was my wife, Rachel. My wife, Rachel, who when I met her was a journalist covering Staten Island politics. She had it pegged almost exactly where it was that I would get about 60 percent of the vote and the other two candidates would split the remaining 40. And sure enough, she was the best, best political prognosticator in my circle.
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We're visiting with Frank Marano, who's a longtime broadcaster, dear friend of mine. He just was elected to the New York City Council representing Staten Island and now faces, again, a primary. I'm very confident and optimistic that he will win. Look, how do six Republicans... in New York City make a difference in a body of 51? I mean, the joke is you want to get indoctrinated to every goofy, leftist, progressive ideology. You walk down West 57th Street or you go into Greenwich Village. I mean, can you make a difference, Frank, in the handful of Republicans? Obviously, it's got to be a David versus Goliath proposition, isn't it?
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It is and it isn't, right? So you make a difference in three ways. For starters, in January, we're going to elect a new Speaker of the City Council. Now, it's not going to be a Republican that's elected Speaker in a body where 45 out of the 51 people are Democrats, but this block of six Republicans plus another two or three Democrats that generally vote with the Republicans, we call ourselves the Common Sense Caucus, that's going to be a pretty pivotal block of votes in the Speaker's race. So We, I think, will be able to make the difference in having the speaker be someone that's sane, a kind of a regular old school moderate Democrat that believes in things like policing and doesn't believe in chasing all of the all every business out of New York. and making sure that someone that's not one of these extreme progressives gets elected. Because if we go down that road, New York will be unrecognizable. It'll be unrecognizable in terms of taxes, public safety, the pervasive wokeness everywhere. So that's the first thing we can do. This block of six to nine votes could make the difference in the speaker's race. There's not a lot of legislative bodies. In fact, we may be the only one. where the minority party can play such a pivotal role in the speaker's race. And that's number one. Number two is giving voice to the loyal opposition. You know, if the city council thinks it's a good idea to fund a study for reparations for slavery, I'm going to be the guy that stands up there loudly and explains why that's not the best use of New York City taxpayer money. And then lastly, there's a lot of things I can do on my own. We get a lot of money in terms of capital funding and in terms of discretionary funding to fund things and groups that are in our district. So that's something that I won't need the cooperation of the other 50 members of the city council for.
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Let's tackle something that is front and center on the minds of every American. Illegal immigration is something that the Trump administration is dealing with very effectively. One of the most maddening aspects of life in these United States. is the presence of sanctuary cities. Makes me crazy. I still see the Philadelphia mayor, Kenny, doing the happy dance after a judge ruled in favor of Philadelphia's sanctuary city status. Look, New York City is lovingly referred to as the great melting pot. We get it. There are people of all walks of life from all corners of the earth who live and work in New York City. Can you talk a little bit about New York City's sanctuary city status. Talk about the role that New York has played nationally. I often stay in Midtown, and I'm sort of near the Rowe NYC Hotel that just has hundreds and hundreds of Hispanics out in the streets on 8th Avenue at 1 o'clock in the morning, men, women, and children. These are illegals who are being housed in a luxury hotel. Frank, is there any chance to even possibly tackle the sanctuary city status and the plight of illegal immigration in New York from your office?
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Well, this is one of the areas where I think even though he didn't get elected, he didn't get elected by the majority of New Yorkers, I think Donald Trump can really be a savior. My colleagues and I have written to the new Attorney General, Pam Bondi, and asked her to clarify You know, crack down on New York sanctuary city status. And by the way, Donald Trump's doing the same thing now on congestion pricing for my constituents that don't want to be charged for the privilege of driving into work every day for within the same city. By the way, those are two areas where I think Trump can really help. What I think is important is the language and the nomenclature of that term, sanctuary city. Years ago, Ed Koch, Rudy Giuliani, tough on crime mayors, especially Rudy Giuliani, they said that New York was a sanctuary city. But what they use that term sanctuary city to mean was that if you're an illegal immigrant and you are cooperating with the police, let's say you're a witness to a crime or you just want to have a conversation with the police, they're not going to ask about your immigration status. Now, that's a sound policy because you want people who are victims of crime cooperating with the police. That's how they use the term sanctuary city. But what happened under Bill de Blasio and Andrew Cuomo was was this dramatic uptick in what we now use that term sanctuary city to mean. Under de Blasio and the city council under de Blasio at the time, they now affirmatively prohibit New York City government and New York City law enforcement agencies from cooperating with ICE. They actually actively prohibit ICE detainer requests from being honored by city government. Now, that's insane. And all it's doing is having criminals on the are, in some cases, illegal immigrants themselves. They've added to this illegal immigrant gang problem that we're seeing on the streets of New York because of this refusal to simply cooperate with federal law enforcement. So, I'm doing three things. One, There's currently a charter revision commission that was appointed by Mayor Adams, the newly found, newly minted MAGA mayor of New York City, who's carrying around the book and genuflecting at the altar of Donald Trump. So I'm asking this. Charter Revision Commission to put the question of sanctuary cities on the ballot this year. I'm also going to introduce legislation. Now, it won't pass in this current body of 51, but I at least want to force a debate on it. And then lastly, I'm trying to get Pam Bondi and Trump's Justice Department to clamp down and say New York City simply can't do this.
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newly elected city councilman from New York, Frank Marano, joining us here on the Mike Gallagher Show. You mentioned Pam Bondi. Of course, this week it was revealed that the Justice Department has opened a criminal investigation into former Governor Andrew Cuomo for allegedly lying to Congress about the decisions he made during the pandemic. Now, this is a real sore spot for millions of people all over the country. Give me the Frank Marano take on the DOJ investigating former Governor Andrew Cuomo?
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I think it's warranted. You know, the last thing that New York wants is yet another mayor that's in the eye of a legal maelstrom, right? We had Bill de Blasio, who narrowly avoided being indicted by the U.S. attorney at the time. Then we had Eric Adams, who actually was indicted. And ultimately, that is the last thing New York City needs. Now, we can talk about the political problems with someone like Andrew Cuomo, because Cuomo is one of these guys that whether you're on the left or the right, you have major problems with him. You know, a lot of people on the right don't like the fact that he put through a cashless bail. They don't like the fact that he put through congestion pricing. They don't like the fact that he wrote, you know, raised taxes significantly. People on the left, a lot of them have issues with, you know, his treatment of women and the purported sexual harassment, along with some other things that he did related to public corruption. everybody on the left, on the right and nonpolitical takes issue with his nursing home situation. Here's a situation where the nursing home situation was so badly handled that his and it was all the more galling the fact that he was going on TV every day acting like the hero of Appomattox and he was trying to take credit for things going well when New York handled COVID more poorly than any state in the union. Now, Then we're learning the more we learn about this, the worse it looks. It looks like his administration not only deliberately lied to the public, but deliberately lied to the state legislature when they were when they were investigating this. And if there was criminality here, we have a right to know this now before he's elected mayor of New York City.
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Amen. All right. Well, Frank, I hope everybody goes to MuranoForCouncil.com. And wow, what a list of endorsements you have. I mean, I'm looking at even pictures here. Let's scroll down here. Let's see. Andrew, Rudy Giuliani, Curtis Sliwa, that's big. Former Governor George Pataki, that's big. Look at, oh, radio host and Saturday Night Live alum Joe Piscopo, Mike Lind. Of course, a big part of the Mike Gallagher show. Corey Lewandowski. I'm scrolling. I'm I'm sure I'm on here somewhere. Roger Stone is it. Look at that. Bernie Carrick is here. Look, radio host Sid Rosenberg. Wow. I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling. I don't see Mike Gallagher. What did you think? I wouldn't officially endorse you. I actually contributed to your campaign.
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Well, the new round of literature that we are pointing out will absolutely have a Mike Gallagher prominent endorsement displayed on there. We will be updated.
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I'll get over it. Look, I'll lick my wounds. I mean, I'm glad Sid Rosenberg is on the list there, but not Mike Gallagher, you know. Sid, by the way, I can't wait to catch up to these guys. You know, Barrett Sports Media and Barrett News Media, they're going to hold a big talk radio summit, and they invited me to speak. Glenn Beck's going to be there, and Sid, and a whole bunch of people. So I'll be in New York, and I'll hope to see you then. But yeah, I mean, you know, I'm not, what am I, chopped liver?
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I can promise you that by the time I see you at Talkers, and hopefully before that, the website and our literature will reflect your very warm endorsement, Mike. And if people want to see my endorsement, go to MuranoForCouncil.com.
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MuranoForCouncil.com and support Frank. This is a dear friend and a guy who is, Look, New York is blessed to have you, my friend, and I'm proud of you and I'm excited for your success. I know you're going to win big in the upcoming primary in June. You're going to serve the citizens and the residents of Staten Island and New York City for years to come. Give my love to Rachel and little Carmine and Frank. Keep fighting the good fight because New York needs you now more than ever.
SPEAKER 02 :
Mike, thank you. Thank you for your friendship. Your audience knows how lucky they are to have you as I am as a member of your audience. And I got to tell you, the nativity scene that you brought me us back from the Holy Land is a fixture in our house every Christmas. And whenever it's up, which is, you know, pretty much the entire month of December and a couple of weeks into January, we we think of you and talk about you often. So you are a frequent visitor. topic of discussion in the Morano household. And now that I'm awake during the day, your radio program is a fixture of the soundtrack of our home and of my office.
SPEAKER 01 :
That touches my heart. Thank you, Frank. I love you. I'm so proud of you. Keep fighting the good fight. We'll see you again soon.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you, my brother.
Join Kim Munson and her guests as they discuss the interplay between local and federal governance. From the regulation changes in Denver to the broader consequences of home rule policies in various municipalities, this episode illuminates the unseen impacts of policy decisions on the taxpayer and the continuous tension between freedom and government-imposed constraints.
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It's the Kim Munson Show, analyzing the most important stories.
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The socialization of transportation, education, energy, housing, and water. What it means is that government controls it through rules and regulations.
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Under this guise of bipartisanship and nonpartisanship, it's actually tapping down the truth.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let's have a conversation.
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Indeed, let's have a conversation, and welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Wednesday, Producer Joe. Happy Wednesday, Kim. And it was your birthday yesterday. And I don't think that I wish Teresa Irby a happy birthday on Monday. She is our partnership liaison. So May is just a great birthday month. So do you feel a lot smarter, wiser, older, anything like that, Producer Joe?
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Only about a day older.
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Well, we've got a great show planned for you. And thank you for being behind the boards on all of that. Do check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. While you're there, make sure you're signed up for our weekly newsletter that goes out on Sundays. And that way you'll know who the upcoming guests are, our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson. That's M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. The text line, and I do want to hear from you, is 720-605-0647. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station, searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something's a good idea. You shouldn't have to force people to do it. And it's not compassionate. It's not altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods. with this whole radical transgender thing, or lives via force. And force can obviously be a weapon, but it can also be policy and unpredictable and excessive taxation and fear and coercion, government-induced inflation. The World Economic Forum's agenda and the globalist elites, the United Nations, And you see this in policy. At the Colorado State Legislature, the Colorado governor, many municipalities, some of these counties, and they can use land use codes, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, transmission lines easements, CO2 lines easements, and we've got to get this contracted. We need to get government back in place. and its proper role. The show comes to you because of our sponsors. It is Wednesday, and that means that it is Wings Day at Hooters Restaurant. 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And so your challenge, like mine, is to use that in a sentence today. Are... The quote of the day is from Albert Einstein. He was born in 1879, died in 1955. He was a German-born theoretical physicist who is best known for developing the theory of relativity. He also made important contributions to quantum mechanics, and he received the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics for his services to theoretical physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect. And he said this, he said, we can't solve today's problems with the mentality that created them. And so we need to do some things differently. And that is Albert Einstein. Thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our personal climate. And this reliable energy is from natural gas and oil and coal. And that industry has been under attack. So what does that mean? What is under attack? It's this abundant energy that we need every day so that we can go after our hopes and dreams. And so I really do thank Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of the show. First headline, I thought this was super interesting. When I was on city council... We saw this movement of using tax dollars or grants to buy these bicycles and scooters that would be like community bicycles and community scooters. And I remember feeling uncomfortable with it. I was still learning what all of this meant. If somebody else is buying these scooters and bicycles, that means that somebody else has to pay for it. And who has to pay for it? Well, it's the taxpayer. And I thought about it also. It's like – and the mayor – no, it was one of the other city council members – always talked about community. They were pushing community, community, community. But community – While that is important to have your community, community from a public policy standpoint, it comes from the same word as communism. And I was thinking about it as so you have people that buy these scooters, others that buy these scooters and buy these scooters. bicycles, but who takes care of them? And so it's a really good example of property rights, because if you don't own it, people don't take care of it. And I remember I would see bicycles just left on the sidewalk, scooters that were fallen over, just left different places. And I thought, this is not a great idea. But the purpose behind it was to get people out of their cars, to be able to be able to move around And not have to use your cars. Well, cars, we realize in talking with Lauren Fix with Car Coach Reports, is freedom of mobility. Now, certainly, if you want to ride around on a scooter, ride around on a bike, I loved a bike, but it doesn't work for me forever. What I want to be productive. It's more something for leisure. Then you should buy your scooter. You should buy your bike. You should take care of that. And so anyway, there was this big push for these scooters. Well, now, again, what we talked about it yesterday. What government giveth, government taketh away, with Jared Polis saying, hey, you municipalities and counties, if you don't do what we say from a state level regarding housing, you're not going to get any of this grant money. And so anyway, this is from, okay, let me get the source, KUSATV. It says, Denver City Council approves an ordinance to keep scooter riders off of sidewalks. And it was unanimous, and it says it would require new safety technology on e-scooters with the goal of keeping riders off sidewalks and ensuring scooters are parked in designated areas downtown. It says, our sidewalks were never designed for anything moving at 15 miles per hour, much less humans that were just on basically a skateboard with a stick, said council member Chris Hines, who championed the changes. Vendors like Lime and Bird will be required to equip scooters with technology that can detect where a person is riding. Huh. That's interesting. Now, again, that seems like that's a kind of a private thing. privacy issue but since you're using something that is being provided by somebody else that opens up that whole problem says so basically we're asking the vendors to put a bit more technology on each scooter so that they can know if someone is riding a scooter on the sidewalk or on the bike lane or in the street the ordinance lays out ways to deter sidewalk riding such as issuing audible warnings or even fines. In some areas like Union Station, the new rules will require scooters to be parked in designated zones. Riders won't be able to end their trips until they return to designated zones. and Denver's Transportation and Infrastructure Department, DOTI, D-O-T-I, is testing mandatory, there's your another great force word, parking zones in three Denver neighborhoods, according to a spokesman. Riders who in trips in this area are instructed via the Lime and Bird apps that they can only do so at a parking corral and will be provided nearby corral locations. We're going to require, there's another one of those force words, the scooter vendor, to not allow people to end their ride until they go into basically a scooter corral. You guys, this is going to be really interesting to watch to see what happens on that. So just stay tuned. Next thing, we had a very spirited discussion yesterday regarding this home rule question that Douglas County voters will be having a special election. The ballots will go out early in June. The election is June 24th. We had Commissioner George Teal in studio who is for this. And we had David Iyer on the line yesterday. who is a citizen, very informed, very informed on water issues as well, who was against it. And I'm still trying to learn about this issue. I think one of my big concerns on this is the fast track. I think the decision was made in March to have this special election. And this is a pretty big deal. And it may be a good idea, but I'm always very uncomfortable with fast-tracking ideas, just kind of the pressure on this to make such a monumental decision. There's only two other counties in the state that are home rule. And so we're going to continue to kick the tires on this. But this is interesting. Many cities are home rule. And in fact, we'll just mention on Lone Tree. Lone Tree was incorporated, oh gosh, 26, 27 years ago. And when I got on city council, there was already an ordinance that said that you could not carry your firearm into any of the public buildings. And that was not an issue I ever really brought up. However, I thought this is really an assault upon our Second Amendment. And so I think you have to be really careful on these home rule questions. But let's see how this plays out. This is from Colorado Newsline. It says front range cities claiming home rule violations are suing Colorado over these housing policies. And this is that executive order that Polis signed on May 16th that pushes local governments to comply with certain state housing laws as a condition of receiving state grant funding. And that is another thing. Government is out of its lane. The people... Of Colorado, I think this was Prop 123, which was passed several years ago by the – I think this is – I need to research this – by the people of Colorado. And so it would give tax money to the state for – I have – But again, what the government giveth, the government taketh away. And so it says six cities in the Front Range filed this lawsuit. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And yesterday, we welcomed Jody Hinzey with... Mint Financial Strategies as a new sponsor of the show. And they just do an amazing job. They can help you have more confidence and freedom with your money. And they're an independent firm with over 25 years of experience. And Jody is an accredited investment fiduciary. And she puts your best interests first always. So with a strategy first approach, Jody Henze, Mint Financial Strategies can help you build a plan that fits your life. You can call them at 303-285-3080. And Jody can help you at the very beginning as you're working towards your financial freedom. Or if you've created a lot of assets, she can certainly help you with that as well. So that phone number is 303-285-3080. On the line with me is Wendy Warner, a fellow CUT Colorado Union of Taxpayers board member. In fact, she's the secretary. Wendy Warner, welcome. Thank you very much. Good to have you. And we all had a little bit of a sigh of relief when the legislature was over this particular session because our team really gives up a good chunk of their weekend every weekend during the session to look at these bills. And you've been doing this for a while, Wendy Warner. Yes, I have. And it's getting more and more frightening. Well, that it is. And let me just, I want to say thank you to our team. We've got a really amazing team, Wendy. That's Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, you, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson. Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And it's really a group. We don't always agree on everything, but we're always striving to protect the taxpayer, school choice, property rights, and TABOR.
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Exactly. And what I'm hopeful that we will be doing now that the legislature is out for a little while is that we'll be working a little bit more on local issues because I believe that while the news, the TV type news and most people focus on national state issues, they often don't realize that the actions of local government or school boards have more impact on us, including financially. And so that's certainly true here in Denver where I live.
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So let's talk about Denver. Mike Johnston, Mayor Mike Johnston, first of all, the Trump administration has said that they're not going to send some of the FEMA money to Denver because of the sanctuary city policies. And so Mayor Mike Johnston is using taxpayer money to sue the federal government.
SPEAKER 18 :
Exactly. Now, Mayor Johnson, through his open policy regarding illegal immigrants, has spent over $90 million on shelter services and other services for the 43,000 estimated illegal immigrants that have come through Denver under the Biden administration. And Biden had sort of indicated that FEMA was going to pay some of this money back, and in fact, he got $8 million, but he still wants another $24 million out of federal money. So he's hired lawyers, and the city has agreed to pay up to $2 million for these D.C. lawyers out of our taxpayer money to sue the federal government to get taxpayer money so that people make sure why they'll pay for his policies.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and Wendy, I think it's important to understand that the federal government doesn't, the only way it gets money is by taxing citizens or creating this unsustainable debt. And so Mayor Mike Johnston is looking to all of the neighbors, just like Gavin Newsom out in California, looking to all of the other states to help bail him out. And he needs to grow up and actually realize there are consequences to his bad decisions, Wendy.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. And either way, we, the taxpayers, get hit with it. We either get hit with it through our federal tax or for interest on the debt at the national level, or we get it by taxes here or reduced services, as we saw in Denver, where our services and things weren't taken care of because he was spending money on this.
SPEAKER 16 :
so but he's he doubles down so he last election cycle he had a sales tax increase proposal for again i have it for affordable housing it's government housing government housing doesn't work it's antithetical to property rights and housing is unaffordable because of public policy in fact um the i think it was the national realtors association maybe it was the home builders association said that at least 25%, maybe even more, of the cost of a new build is because of rules and regulations. Just think, if you reduce those rules and regulations, you could reduce the cost of housing. We probably need some regulation, maybe. But say you reduce the cost by 20%. That's how you make housing affordable, Wendy.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes, exactly. And the other thing is on property tax. And they continue to look for ways to raise or to not reduce property taxes. And this new proposal for vibrant Denver bonds, which is nothing more than increasing the debt of the city, is another way that we're going to pay as taxpayers. And I don't think people understand the little game plan that's going on here. Every time we have debt that is due to retire, in other words, we finally have paid it off and we should get a reduction in our property taxes. Instead, they put in new bonds, new debt, and then they say, oh, but your taxes aren't going up because they're using the old tax rate to pay for that. So instead of getting a tax decrease, which we should be getting... They're they're funding new things. And at this point, they've announced the new bonds, but they don't know how much and they don't know what they're going to even spend it on. They just know they want more money.
SPEAKER 16 :
Wow. And this is another thing, Wendy, that we have learned at the Colorado Union of Taxpayers cut is when you see a question on the ballot that says without increasing taxes. it's exactly what you're talking about is taxes should go down and instead they want to extend it out and so if your taxes were going to go down but now they're not that still is is kind of a tax increase yes it absolutely is and at a time where we're still getting increased in appraisal value of property so we are getting tax increases um it's
SPEAKER 18 :
you know we need that tax decrease and that would make housing more uh... affordable took us remember that property taxes figured into you know your cost of owning a house or renting out so we have a solution
SPEAKER 16 :
Reducing property taxes, reducing rules and regulations would help make housing more affordable where people could actually start to buy their own property if they wanted to instead of being stuck in government housing, right?
SPEAKER 18 :
Exactly, exactly. And I think that the mayor needs to be a lot more transparent on both these bond issues and how the money he has spent for illegal immigrants.
SPEAKER 16 :
I totally agree. Now, Wendy Cutt, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, in some ways you might think we're all crazy because we pay our dues $25 a year, which is pretty cheap, or pretty, I wouldn't say cheap. We're not cheap. It's inexpensive. It's affordable. But it works out to about $2.08 a month. And for that, people can become very informed by receiving our emails that we send to the legislature, and we're going to be ramping up what we do in this off-season as well. And so we would really appreciate people joining us. And again, I think CUT is a really good tool for people to have in their toolbox.
SPEAKER 18 :
In addition, we'll be attempting to oppose and we'll be spending money on opposing some of these local issues as well that are going to be costing taxpayers money.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, and that brings up one other thing, our cut engaged. We invested in this and a lot of people used it. We started it maybe halfway through the legislative session where we selected certain bills where people could very easily send an email we provided the email to the prime sponsors on the bill they could also add in their senator or their representative and Ben Williams with Ben's plumbing heating and cooling used it we would normally post for in a week he said he was able to make his voice heard to the legislature in one minute and 51 seconds that's pretty that's pretty fast
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And we provide that for anybody to use. So please support CUT by joining.
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Well, and Wendy, I thank you for all of your hard work as the secretary. I think being the secretary of any organization requires a lot and you do a really good job. And I really appreciate you.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, thank you very much. And we appreciate you, Kim, and for giving us a shout-out on your show and the chance to tell people more about things like what Mayor Johnston's doing.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, we're going to keep on it, Wendy Warner, so thank you so much. Yes, thank you, and have a good day. You too. And we get to inform you and help you get your brain around these issues because of our sponsors. And so for anything residential real estate, you want Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And on the line with me is someone that searches for truth. And he and I got to know each other during COVID. And that is Dr. James Lyons Weiler. He is the founder of IPAC. That's the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge. So IPAC-EDU and really an expert on what's happening over in the health field. Dr. Jack, it's so good to have you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you, Kim. You're an expert in freedom and individual rights. And, you know, you're making sense out of this world. You're doing a great job over there. I'm happy to be part of this.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, thank you. It's a full-time job, Dr. Jack, that's for sure. So let's talk about, first, before we get to our featured subject, IPAC-EDU. You founded IPAC-EDU during COVID, and it's really a unique educational model that brings... really world-renowned instructors, two everyday people who are curious, that want to know about our world. So tell us what's going on over at IPAC-EDU.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we have people signing up for courses every semester, January, June, and September. This summer, we have a slate of courses that people would love to sign up for. You know, listen, the idea is And this is a really kind of neat alignment. Our generation was trained to learn in a very structured way. And after we graduate from high school, maybe get some college, and we're out in the world, and then we figure, okay, we've emerged from the poliwog state, now we're frogs, we're going to hop around with all the other frogs. But our minds still retain the ability to learn in a structured manner. And that's something that's rare in people's lives. In 2020, I realized there were shut-ins due to COVID. There were shut-ins due to autism. There were shut-ins due to chronic illness. And, you know, many times it's such a drag in life. And so we seek entertainment on television or Netflix. But that's not enriching. And more importantly, it's not empowering. What I decided to do was to pull together instructors and courses that could help people make sense out of their world. Give them vocabularies they don't have. Give them understandings of the functions of society and how things work together. Give them an understanding of biology and science, why Fauci was saying the things that he was saying, and how they couldn't possibly be true. And so they could no longer be, you know, frustrated by, I don't know what to believe. Because knowing things about the world is not necessarily always about belief. It's about, does it actually make logical sense? which is different than belief. If you understand it, then understanding helps you emerge from just relying on your gut instinct and that kind of thing. Now, that's important, but you're using our intellect. Well, there's a huge amount of intellect in our general population that is under leveraged and we should have an educated electorate, right? So that they can make sense out of the baloney coming out of the mouths of politicians or policy makers. And so, yeah, this has been a very richly rewarding experience for myself and about 30 instructors came to answer the call and 4,000 something participants in courses and webinars. It's been great.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and the other thing is it is interactive. So it's not just sitting in front of your computer having people lecture you. It is also interactive with the instructor. So it's a really unique opportunity, and people can get more information by going to IPAC. That's ipak-edu.org. So, Dr. Jack, let's get over here to your very good friends with RFK Jr., who is our Health and Human Services Secretary. And people are – the Trump administration has been moving very quickly on a lot of different issues. But this mRNA – authorization, which would be, for example, for COVID, right? People are wondering why that's not been revoked yet. So what's going on?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so in my Substack, popularrationalism.substack.com, I wrote this article in response to the public's frustration. What has to happen before mRNA vaccines are pulled and why RFK Jr. hasn't and why he might soon? And I really wanted to go into the legal and regulatory options and the requirement points for Pathway to what many see as freedom. You know, just because a product's on the market doesn't mean that it has to be there. There are past vaccines that were pulled. You know, there are vaccines that didn't make it through the research gamut. And really, Bobby, I would say I'm a close personal and professional person. I'm a friend of Bobby, but I'm a close personal and professional advisor to the secretary as well. So when I say that I understand what he would have to go through and what has to be done, I'm speaking from my understanding as someone who's expert in translational research. I understand regulatory compliance. I understand what the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research and what their role is. So literally, Bobby really couldn't move until Peter Marks was dismissed. And so we now have Dr. Vinay Prasad in the position over a key center, the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. And what Dr. Prasad has done, along with Macri, the director of... FDA, what they've done is raised the bar. And that's one of the things that has to happen. Since Mark's had such a low bar for approval of COVID-19 vaccines, emergency use authorization, even though there's no emergency, don't pay attention to any of the safety signals, allow the pharmaceutical companies to cheat when they were trying to calculate efficacy and effectiveness. All of the factors that I railed against on podcasts and I railed against and brought forward really in articles on my sub stack and publishing elsewhere, all of the cheating that was done to fool the public, regulators and our elected representatives that the emergency youth authorization was warranted for the COVID-19 vaccines. That's a big stinking onion that has to be unwrapped one layer at a time. First of all, Bobby doesn't have the legal authority to just sign something and say, OK, the vaccine is gone. The vaccines are gone. He can refuse to do two things that could be impactful. One is to take away the emergency use authorization clause. protection of liability, he can't undo the EUA unilaterally. But the liability protection from lawsuits he can do. And then he could also refuse to renew the contracts and just let the contracts expire. And this is an important fact. The fact is, if he were to use his powers to do those things unilaterally, not backed by science, not backed by studies, not backed by other regulators who could sit right next to him when he's called up to the help committee or when he's called to task by the Senate, why did you act this way? He has experts who actually now can testify alongside him and explain in detail in terms that the senators can understand that this entire stack of cards for Pfizer's Comirnaty and Moderna Spike Vaxx, absolutely needs to be taken down. And it needs to be taken down because it's actually a threat to public health. So just this morning, yesterday I published a massive article on why it's important to have randomized clinical trials that use placebos. And while I was writing that article, an FDA announcement came out. It was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. and so i actually included parts of that article and what how what they said was this is a mackery and prasad what the fda is now saying that you would never hear peter mark say you would never hear anyone in the fda certainly fauci you would never hear the president united states say from this point forward we're going to expect anyone that comes to fda with a covet 19 vaccine to have placebo-controlled, inert placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trials with long-term outcomes. I can't tell you how many times Robert Kennedy Jr., myself, and hundreds of others on a circuit all across the United States, on podcasts, on articles, said those words exactly. We've told them to regulators. We've told them to presidents. We've told them to senators. We have to see the data. you can't have a position on vaccine safety until you see the data that allows you to stand on your position on vaccine safety. So the long-term outcomes are key. The inert placebo means saline, where, you know, Francis Collins and Fauci actually said in a news outlet, you know what, these vaccines are so helpful before we knew anything about their first in humans they said what we want to do is what we really should owe it to the people who are part of these clinical trials after the clinical trial is over immediately vaccinate them. And what they did by doing that is they destroyed the long-term data. Sure. Oh, of course. They destroyed the control group. So, yes, it's complex. Yes, it begs patience. But it's not as though Bobby is sliding into some regulatory capture. It's not as though he's influenced. It's not as though they've got him over a barrel. He's going through exactly... precisely the types of things that he's putting the vaccines through their cases now here's some another another take on this i had a doctor called very close friend doctor friend called me last night basically what the heck is the fda doing how can they do this is they say they're going to prove it for um for infants and they're going to prove it for this and improving for that and i said well wait a minute we don't want to misconstrue these things They're not just saying that if these companies show that the vaccines cause antibodies, that they're going to be approved. They have to show that they produce antibodies, but also you have to show the safety data. And that's revolutionary, that we kind of like are in this immediate reaction mode when it comes to anything announced by the FDA, right? no it's not just immunogenicity that's enough and we'll assume safety because other vaccines are on the market and we have to let these other companies play ball too they have to show the safety so they're they're they're saying that they anticipate that they're going to be able to make a regulatory decision when they're confronted with the data of immunogenicity that is the ability to produce antibodies and safety another thing is that they're not going to allow all infants to be vaccinated. That's a misread of their article that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. It was an opinion article. The infants have to be considered high risk, and infants are not high risk for COVID. So they really have to have severe immunodeficiency, congenital heart disease, complex chronic conditions. Probably the last, you know, the medically frail, probably the last population that we would want to see These are the people that were excluded from clinical trials.
SPEAKER 16 :
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That's KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Memorial Day is right around the corner. And I really encourage all of us to stop and reflect upon the sacrifice that so many Americans have given their lives for our liberty. And so even though there's all kinds of things going on on Memorial Day weekend, We have, I think, a duty to stop and reflect. Two things to bring to your attention is the USMC Memorial Foundation will be having an event out at the memorial at 2 o'clock on Memorial Day. And more information, go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And then the Center for American Values located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. We'll be having an event, an On Values presentation on the 28th in honor of Memorial Day. And you'll want to check that out as well. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. I'm talking with Dr. James Lyons-Weiler regarding being impatient, regarding revoking the authorization, emergency authorization for the mRNA vaccine. And... Dr. Jack, as we're talking about these studies, for example, babies, I think there's no business in giving the COVID vaccine to babies whatsoever. So if there's doing data, that means that some babies would get it and some wouldn't. And granted, from a 30,000-foot view, okay, we're doing the data, but that baby is somebody's baby. And I know of three... Oh, I agree, Kim.
SPEAKER 12 :
I know of...
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and I know of three young men personally that were in their 30s that just fell over, just fell over from a heart attack or something from their heart. And so I don't know for sure if it was the jab, but it's very suspect. So I really don't want any babies being in any kind of study on this. So go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so that's an excellent point. And so check this out, right? So put yourself, and this is what's very difficult for people to do in politically charged situations. First of all, this is no longer a politically charged situation. People don't recognize that. But in a politically charged situation, if you put yourself in the position and see the worldview from your opponents, you can see what they can do, what they can't do. What vaccine manufacturer, including Pfizer and Moderna, are actually going to test their product on medically frail infants? None of them. The trials won't happen. What the FDA has said was, okay, we're going to restrict the population that we're likely to approve this future vaccines for, including any renewals. And here's the restricted groups that we We will likely approve your products for, but now you have to show us that it's effective and safe in those groups. It's a restricted market, very restricted. They're not expecting it to be approved for everybody. Two, take a look at the data. Well, what vaccine manufacturer can turn to their investors and say we're going to publish really awful negative data on children and elderly that are medically frail that we're killing and hurting with these vaccines? So they will abandon the project. And that is the purpose of regulation. Regulation is not to rubber stamp, and it's also not to thwart. People don't understand the subtle, nuanced nature of a federal regulatory process when it's working right. I think Prasad has it right. I think Macri has it right. I know Kennedy has it right. And I'm not saying that, yes, there are going to be some infants that are injected and hurt, and that's okay. That's happening right now without sufficient regulation. Anybody can take their seven-month-old infant right now and get the injection. So the reality is if you put all the pieces of the puzzle together, oh, yeah, we want to put a stop in the dam is broken. We want to put a stop in the human pain and suffering, the morbidity and mortality that's happening. How can we do it in a way that is, number one, ethical? Well, it's more ethical to actually do it than to do nothing, right? We've complained for years that FDA did nothing. Two, it's unlikely that anybody going forward is going to be hurt because the vaccine manufacturers are not likely to come to the dance party. They're not going to want to have their dance card punched because their product is going to look really awful. So it doesn't bypass the formal FDA regulatory process either. Some of someone in MedPage Today, a woman who's a very, very pro-vax doctor, Kathleen Edwards, said, what are they doing making this announcement in the New England Journal of Medicine instead of relying, going through the Federal Register or going to the VRBAC meetings, these committees that approve and don't make recommendations on vaccines? Really, what they're saying is, maybe through 50 to 64 year old population that there's a there's an argument that could be made here based on the data but you have to show us randomized clinical trials with saline placebos and healthy individuals and that's our position so now they know what they're up against do you see what i'm saying they're not making a recommendation for i'm making a recommendation against okay it's really interesting to me that the same people that are criticizing them they did they really didn't they really didn't mind it when You know, the CDC acted unilaterally in the past against ACIP's recommendations, against FDA arguing that there's a myocarditis risk. These same people said, oh, no, that's good because in the name of public health, we have to ignore that. So, you know, the CDC, how many times did Fauci make national news stating policy? on CBS News, ABC News, right? They didn't complain when he did that. Right, right. So, you know, it's really, it's very difficult to at first blush understand why this nuanced approach is correct and ethical. But in the end, it really is.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Now we've got three minutes left. And I'm going to ask you a huge question. And that is, there are those that say that really are very critical of Trump. They said that he continues to he pushed the vaccine through COVID. He had he very proud of warp speed or whatever that was called. and that he continues to really support the vaccine. And what would you say to that? And I'm sorry to throw this out and only now have two minutes, but your cliff notes on that.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's quite all right. Listen, now you've asked me to go into a realm that I'm not a close personal friend or advisor to President Trump. I don't like reading other people's minds. But what I can tell you is, if you look at what people do, and not pay attention to what they say. We owe it to President Trump gratitude that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the director of HHS. He didn't allow Peter Marks to sit there. He didn't go into the office and deal with all the other political things and all the other national issues and just twiddle the sums on vaccines. This president has done more for vaccine safety than any other president in the past And he agrees, I presume, because of the way that Bobby has freedom to go and demand the data, that he wants to see the data too. He really wants to know. Before, he was relying on his experts, and his experts were lying to him. So whether you're for President Trump or against President Trump, or you no longer trust him, or wherever you are, again, time will tell. They're sousing out the liars, the cheats, the steals. I think that there's going to be some prosecutions. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's, I think, referrals to the Attorney General's offices are happening right now. The OIG, the Office of Inspector General, they want to know. Senator Ron Johnson is doing a workshop right now. They want to know who made the decisions, what connections did they have to the pharmaceutical companies, what rules did they make and what laws did they break. So turn the page to the next chapter and let's see what happens next time.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Dr. Jack, absolutely fascinating. And again, check out ipac-edu.org. If you have intellectual curiosity, that is the place for you. I so appreciate all the amazing work that you do, Dr. Jack, and we'll talk again very soon.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thanks, Kim. I appreciate your work, too. Be well, everyone.
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Our word of the day, I did actually, I said to Joe, I look at these words and in my mind I think, oh, I know how to pronounce that. And then I get on the air and it's like, wait a minute, I hadn't really checked that out. And I know Richard, I had said to Richard, the limo guy, was concerned that he would drive off the side of the road sometimes with my pronunciations, but he assures me that that has not happened. So I did check out how to actually pronounce our word of the day, and it's appurtenance. And that is spelled A-P-P-U-R-T-E-N-A-N-C-E. And it could be, number one, accessory objects, as the example is the appurtenances of wealth. It could be, number two, in law and incidental rights, such as a right-of-way attached to a principal property. property right and passing in possession with it or a subordinate part. And so your challenge is to use that in a sentence. It's A-P-P-U-R-T-E-N-A-N-C-E. It's a pertinence. Our quote of the day is from Albert Einstein. 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And it says it's going to narrow its approval for updated COVID vaccines to older adults and people with at least one health condition that puts them at high risk for severe disease. And I think that that is a great headline. This is something that I find of real concern. And that is we have seen in South Africa that white South Africans have been targeted. And so Trump has been welcoming some of these white refugees to the United States. And So this is from the Western Journal. It says, And it says the Episcopal Church rejected the Trump administration's request for assistance, saying it would not help the 59 South African refugees that arrived in the U.S. on Monday. This was last week. The church's presiding bishop, Sean Rowe, took it a step further and said the Episcopal Migration Ministries would be terminating its 40-year partnership with the U.S. government, according to a statement from the church administration. that was published just recently. It says, in light of our church's steadfast commitment to racial justice and reconciliation and our historic ties with the Anglican Church of Southern Africa, we are not able to take this step, Roe's statement read. Accordingly, we have determined that by the end of the federal fiscal year, we will conclude our refugee resettlement grant agreements with the US federal government. In January, President Donald Trump signed an executive order largely suspending the U.S. refugee admissions program, a program the church participated in, and Trump did this to control the immigration crisis created by the Biden administration. It says, then just over two weeks ago, the federal government informed Episcopal Migration Ministries that under the terms of the federal grant, they expected to resettle white Afrikaners from South Africa, whom the U.S. government has classified as refugees. So in February, Trump signed another EO, executive order, granting some Afrikaners refugee status in the U.S. And so this is super interesting. And this means these grant programs have been going on for 40 years. And it used to be, and Action Anne had reached out to me regarding the conversation that I'd had with Helen Raleigh about her new book, about when the Chinese had come to America back in the 60s. And the whole immigration status was something different there. There was not grant programs to provide assistance for people that were coming to America. They typically had to have a sponsor, and that sponsor would be an individual. And they had to basically they were not going to come over here and be reliant upon the government. And you can see when government gets out of its lane, it was never the government's proper role to use taxpayers money. for these refugee programs. And once the government got involved in this business, it became a business. And we saw many of the heads of these non-governmental organizations making huge salaries and bringing people to America and getting them onto government assistance and not tracking. And I know this for sure because I was on the board of Lutheran Family Services. And it was a journey. It was in the 90s. And I was starting to ask questions. And it really was a journey because initially I thought it was a charity, a charity that was helping people with unplanned pregnancies. our elderly in our neighborhoods, and then also refugees. I'm thinking people that were refugees, Christian refugees, to come to our country. But once the government got into the business of offering these grants, then I realized, I was connecting the dots. I was on the board for six years. And when I realized that a substantial portion of the budget was government money coming in for the refugee resettlement programs, that's when I would say that's when I was starting to connect the dots. And I went through a... kind of an angry period as I was figuring all of this out. And so we've fast forwarded to where we are today. We can see that those programs then ballooned to a point where the money was used to bring people into our country, I think ultimately to probably affect elections. And also it allowed people that want to hurt us into the country and then The massive amount of money that's gone to support these people that have come here illegally, and that money has been taken via force from individuals. Now, charity. Let's lower taxes, where everybody has more money in their pocket, and Americans are very... charitable and we want to help our fellow man but when you get government involved then that money is taken via force from individuals and it's doled out and government picks winners and losers if we give to charities ourselves and we say we see a charity that is actually that is down at the border or down at the Darien Gap organizing people to come here illegally and then using government assistance to do so, will say, well, we don't want to give any money to that charity. And so that charity will, in a free market, go out of business. So anyway, I find this really interesting that they will not help all people. They will only help people of a certain color. And I think that this, again, is the veil coming off of what has happened with a number of these mainline organizations churches as well. We have these important discussions because we have amazing sponsors. 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Salute the ones who died.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. It is Wednesday, and that means we have Trent Luce on the line. He's a sixth-generation pastor. farmer and rancher, shedding light on the issues that are facing the people that feed and fuel us. Trent Luce, welcome.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thanks, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
So what'd you do this last week?
SPEAKER 09 :
Gave thanks to God for rain.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, good.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good. We had, you know, in your old stomping grounds, there was some horrific accidents and tornadoes in Grinnell, Kansas.
SPEAKER 12 :
I know.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
25 people that I know of that a last report lost their life this past weekend with storms. We had some storms, didn't have a tornado, didn't have any damage. We got 2.2 inches of rain and anytime you're talking to somebody in farming or ranching, you have to talk about the weather first because if you don't have adequate rainfall, everything else is a challenge. So we got that a little boost here in May.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I've got a funny story for you, Vin. As you know, I come from a long line of farmers. And we used to play Family Feud. Do you remember that TV show? I do. Okay. And so we were playing Family Feud with my nephews. And the question was to my little nephew, he was just a little kid, what is something romantic that a couple does? And his answer was, watch the Weather Channel.
SPEAKER 12 :
Perfect.
SPEAKER 16 :
That was not one of the answers, but we certainly got a great laugh out of that. So with that, rain is certainly a blessing. But, yeah, I talked to my brother, and he said that Grinnell, Kansas, he said he thinks that it was a direct hit from a tornado.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that was terrible. The other thing that we did that was a celebration is our middle daughter graduated from college on Saturday. So we had a fantastic day celebrating her honors. She graduated with honors. What's the word I'm looking for? Scholastic honors.
SPEAKER 16 :
Awesome. And well, congratulations. That's a big deal. And so another one is, is that, that's your middle daughter. So she is flying the coop, huh?
SPEAKER 09 :
She's flying the coop. I think she flew the coop a while back.
SPEAKER 16 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 09 :
I'm going to be in nursing, and I'll stay close to home, so that's good.
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Okay. Congratulations. So let's do some updates. Last week, we talked about the Maud family, which is some farmers in South Dakota that after so many years, was it the Forest Service said that they were farming land that was Forest Service land. This was under the Biden administration and they were facing jail time and significant fines. And the Trump administration stepped in. And what was the exact action that happened on that?
SPEAKER 09 :
They dropped criminal charges. They dismissed all criminal charges. They're still not told that there won't be civil charges. The Department of Justice is not indicating whether they're going to pursue criminal civil charges or not, but all criminal charges were dropped.
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Okay, so that's a step in the right direction. Correct, absolutely. And what about your friend in Nevada? Has there been any movement on that? And bring us up to speed on that.
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He's always got movement. As a result of the mod situation, Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins said that if you know, they created a portal, and if you know of any federal overreach, we want to know about it. And so Hank Vogler, who manages, she owns sheep and cattle in White Pine County, Nevada. He runs on federal land. He went and laid out how the Department of Labor has targeted him and came to him with a $42,000 fine because his bunk beds are five inches too close to the floor. Literally. I know everybody's saying there's got to be more. There's no more. That was it.
SPEAKER 16 :
I know. That's what I keep thinking. There's got to be more.
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And so he went, I told him about the portal. He went on the portal and filled it all out and listed how the Department of Labor has really targeted him. He got a letter from Kristi Noem letting him know that from the Department of Homeland Security. letting him know that now, because he has foreign-born workers who are legal H-2A workers, Homeland Security will also be monitoring his activities, and he could be subject to an on-ranch visit at any time. So now he's got five government agencies that have reached out to him. The week after he filled out the portal letting them know that he had been treated – with a horrible federal overreach. He got a letter from the USDA stating that he hauled sheep to California and may be in violation of permitting laws and getting animals into California and threatened him with a $300,000 fine. That was four days, three days after he filled out the portal for USDA. The next week he was notified that that a pasture that he has had allotment, it's not just a pasture, it's an allotment that's part of his rights, that he has vested rights on grazing land, that he had to have his cattle off of that land by June 1st, which gave him 16 days to do that. 27 years he's been running on that allotment, and all of a sudden last week they decide they're going to kick him off. And then this week, the newest development is the Department of Labor came back to him and offered to put him on probation instead of removing his H-2A workers for three years, allow him to keep his H-2A workers, cut his fine in half, if he would verify that each one of these 20 H-2A workers he had a video chat with on a daily basis to make sure that they are in good condition. That may seem like something reasonable, except these H-2A workers are living in sheep camp. They're living in the mountains with the sheep during the summer. There's no internet where these people are. And he says, what do you want them to do, to go spend a half a day finding a place where there's internet and I can do a video chat with them? Meanwhile, the reason they're out there is to protect the sheep from the predators? I mean, there's nothing about this that's functional.
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So I've been thinking a lot about this this week because I've thought a lot about our conversation last week as well. I'm the same way. It's like it seems like there must be something more. And it just seems how did they all get so crossways with the administration? I just don't understand it, Trent Luce.
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Well, this is not an uncommon occurrence. I mean, we talked about the mods, and we can walk through people. And what normal people do is they just cave. They just cave and say, oh, I'm not going to fight it. Well, they found the wrong guy to come after because he will never cave. He will die before he caves. And he has a daughter. that's there side by side with him and she has the same fortitude that Hank does. And Hank has long told me that he is a canary in the coal mine because they go to the federal lands rancher first and whatever they think they can get away with, they perfect it so that they then can come to the deeded rancher, the people who we think we own our property and yet we pay a lease every month in the name of property tax to continue to tell people we own it.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Memorial Day is right around the corner. And the Center for American Values in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk will have an On Values presentation on Wednesday the 28th in honor of Memorial Day. And Memorial Day is a time to stop and reflect about those that have given the ultimate sacrifice for our liberty. And what is liberty? It's the responsible exercise of freedom. We have online with us Trent Luce, sixth-generation farmer and rancher. He's for... well over 20 years. He's been shedding light on these issues that the people that feed and fuel us face, and that's basically rural Colorado, rural America. We were talking about a friend of his in Nevada, and Yvonne wanted to comment on something. Yvonne, and she is the co-founder of Perspectives 101, which she's going to have an event tomorrow night. Yvonne, welcome. What was your comment? Thank you, thank you.
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And yes, you are going to be there tomorrow. But anyway, aside from that, I wanted to ask, so if you can hold off on that one question you asked him. I had a question. You mentioned earlier in your show today this thing with the South African refugees. And that really bothers me when people are against that. And I wanted to see what Trent had to say about this. Because As you know, my background is in, um, animal science, et cetera. And while I didn't work a whole full career in that because I got derailed by a commission, but anyway, um, commission meaning my military commission. And, um, But I have returned to that through helping through interpretation. And besides the fact that I personally know people who have come here from South Africa fleeing from that situation, I would run into people who were from South Africa, you know, farming, who had been brought to some of the American ranches, probably through a special visa. And I talked to one guy, and I said... It's really pretty bad over there, isn't it? And he goes, oh, you don't know the half of it. And he rolled up his sleeves and he showed me the burn marks where they'd come in the night and poured boiling water on them and all that other kind of stuff. So, you know, I'm so sick of hearing this kind of stuff where, you know, where they're playing skin color games. If we hauled some black person out in the middle of the night and did bad things to him and stuff like that, like stuff happened, many, many, many, many. decades ago. That's just as bad as what's being done now. So I want to see what Trent has seen, because he moves a lot in that farming and ranching situation. And I know some people from South Africa come from that and go to that here in the States.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, good question. And Trent, I had talked about a news article that the Episcopal Church that has had a The contract with the federal government for 40 years for refugee resettlement is the Trump administration had asked them to help with the resettlement of some of the Afrikaners, white Afrikaners that recently came to America as refugees. And they said no. So that's that's the context of all this, Trent.
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So I find this to be fascinating, actually. And Yvonne is absolutely right. This directly ties into what we were talking about with Hank Vogler, because those workers that are coming from South Africa are H2A workers. And I have many friends. I've got a friend at North Platte that has 12 from South Africa that come and work on his feed yard. But what's perplexing to me is that this has been taking place since Nelson Mandela. got out of prison and became a leader in Africa, South Africa. And if you go look, it's very well documented. Starting in 1987, they started killing and stealing land from not only whites, but anybody who had land, mostly white individuals in South Africa. I personally, guys, know 12 people who left South Africa because the wives, the husband and wives and One family was dairying in South Africa. They moved to Kentucky, and they started a dairy. And I was sitting with Jeff and his wife, and she looked me in the eye, and she said, we had to get out of there. I was tired of sleeping with a shotgun every night. This was in 1987. You can find the data. Nearly 5,000 men and women have been killed on their own property since 1987. They've been fleeing that country since 1987. I got another friend, Ramona Morrison in Reno. who called me after they went on an African safari tour. And she said, Trent, I noticed something. Every one of these safari stops that we went to, they're talking about the elephants and the animals are just out here in the African safari. She said there was a foundation of an old house and a farmstead that I could see there. Well, the safari is the land that they have taken back from individuals who owned it and rewilded South Africa. Does this sound familiar? This is exactly what we're trying to do here, remove land from individual ownership. And to Yvonne's other point, if you really talk to these people, and I've got friends that I can call today, their parents are still there, and they just live in fear every day, and they're afraid of what they're going to hear back from home. But the ones that got killed were the lucky ones. It is some of the most heinous, and I don't doubt those scars at all, because what I'm hearing is that they come in and they don't just kill you. They literally torture you and torture your family in front of you. And what has taken place is inhumane and the worst scenario of man treating man that I'm aware of. And it's been happening since 1987.
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So, wow. And so the fact that the Episcopal Church will not help because of skin color. And I, you know what, I read, didn't James Mishner do a book? That's back when I used to read long books. I thought on South Africa, but now I'm not sure. But so it's a long history of really a colonization. And But what we're seeing here is really, I think, racism and mob mentality. It's not about really building something. And I'd read an article that with the farmers leaving, having their land taken away, and leaving that, in essence, it's going to create food shortages. They've employed people on these farms. Those people are not going to have jobs. These mobs that are trying to take the land, they don't know how to farm, and that's not really why they want to take the land, right, Trent?
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No, 100%. They want to control the land and get rid of the white people. But, you know, the key phrase that they've used through this whole time is kill the boar. And I have a picture that was taken in Bismarck, North Dakota, when the BLM, not the Bureau of Land Management, the BLM was storming and protesting in Bismarck, North Dakota in 2021. And there was a sign, I have a picture of it, that says, kill the boar. And the boar are the white people of South Africa.
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Wow. Any other comments, Yvonne? No, that is it.
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Thank you so much for addressing it. Thanks, bye.
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Okay. And so to look at people because of the color of their skin and make your decisions about that is racist. But it's based on putting people into groups, Trent, it's communistic. Because if you start to put people into groups... and then so group hatred, then people will do terrible things to people within that group because of that definition. That's where we are in America by putting people into – different groups, instead of recognizing, as in the Declaration of Independence, that each individual is created by God with these rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And granted, Trent, we don't always live up to these high ideals in our lives because we are humans. But that doesn't mean that we throw that ideal out. That is the ideal that we continue to work towards on a My friends, you see people putting people into groups. That's the time to step in in this battle of ideas, this ideological battle, and engage in conversation about the danger of putting people in groups, Trent Luce.
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I don't know how it's directly related, but it's fascinating, and so I'm going to share it. I'm looking out my window right now, and I see mostly black cows. We have some Scimital influence. We have a lot of Limousine influence, some black Angus influence. We have purebred Hereford cows. We have purebred Piedmontese cows. We do have some purebred Limousine cows. And if you see these cows laying, just enjoying the day, sunning, or getting ready for a storm when they're laying, invariably the breeds lay together. the Herefords are in one area, the limousine are in one area. And there was a point in time when we had five different breeds of pigs, spotted pigs, Poland pigs, spot pigs, Yorkshire pigs, Berkshire pigs, Hampshire pigs, Hereford pigs. And those breeds lie together. They always do that. And I maybe thought it was just my environment or whatever caused that. And I had somebody here this week We were looking at cows and talking about things, and they said, have you noticed the breeds lie together? It's like maybe this is not just a people thing. Even the animals put themselves into groups, and I don't know how that portrays over to what we're talking about. It's certainly not a justification, but it's just inherently nature, I guess.
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Well, that is interesting. But the great thing, though, about America is America is the great melting pot. So certainly we see. So Chinese Chinatown in New York or in San Francisco. Certainly we see people from different cultures. They're used, you know, different Germantown, variety of different things. But yet the other thing about it, though, is is. That we would come together, though, and we would unite around these this vision of America to become American. And so certainly we would have groups, cultural, you know, neighborhoods or whatever united. But what was unique is the fact that we became united around this idea that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. So if you have that ideal, you can't have slavery. If you have that ideal, you cannot go out and torture people. And property rights are inherent within the American idea as well that where people could own property and they could work and keep most of the fruits of their labor. If people can't own property and if most of the fruits of their labor are taken by someone else for some other purpose, that is a form of slavery. Trent Luce, your comment on that. We'll go to break and then we'll be back.
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I really got nothing to add to that because it's spot on. And I know we referenced him quite a bit. I'm very mixed on what my view of Theodore Roosevelt, but he gave a speech on assimilating into the United States culture if you come here. And we've been drifting for that, to be honest, for the past 100 years. Just the mere formation of Chinatown and Germantown and all these other little segments within a community, we've been drifting from assimilating to be Americans.
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SPEAKER 16 :
It is a great day to be alive and to be engaged in this battle of ideas that's raging in our country right now. My friends, we were really made for this moment. Memorial Day is right around the corner, and it is a time to stop and reflect about those that have given their lives Last full measure of devotion, giving their lives for our liberty. And I would really encourage you to attend the event out at the Marine Memorial at 2 o'clock on Memorial Day. It is a great way to honor those and reflect upon the sacrifices that have been given for us. Trent Luce is on the line, and he is a sixth-generation farmer and rancher. And Jim May with Lavaca Meat Company is on the line as well. Jim, welcome to the show. And before we get to your question, I've got an off-topic question for you. And I was going to call you, but I'm just going to go ahead and ask you. I'm going to be getting some Lavaca meat, and I'm going to be traveling. And if it's frozen, do... Would it be okay if I didn't put it in a cooler or dry ice and leave it out as I'm traveling for a few hours? Or do I need to have dry ice to make that happen?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, you know, good question. I'm glad you asked. Actually, that's perfectly fine to let it thaw out slowly, just like you would in a refrigerator or whatever. And when you get to your point of where you're going to cook it, usually 48 hours is fine. uh for it to thaw and then you know however so i would i would put it definitely put it in the cooler but i would not uh worry about uh the temperature keep the temperature cool but it doesn't have as long as i can get real hot you're everything's cool everything should be fine okay great so you had a question uh for trent lewis jim may question a couple of comments trent uh very interesting show this morning and it really comes home to me because We have four large ranches out in northern Nevada around Winnemucca. And also at Stratton, we've got, I don't know, 8 or 10 or 12 HUA South African employees. So both subjects are pertinent to me. But even more importantly than that, in 2008, we bought a company in South Africa. My son and I, the nutritionists, discovered a product at K-State that we wanted to own. And we have developed that product. Now we're just stockholders in the company. But at one time, it was a startup for us. And we bought a product that lets cattle go convert on feed quicker to corn called LactoPro. And anyway, I had the sheer pleasure of spending 10 days in South Africa. And I was in Pretoria, which is like the Beverly Hills of of their largest city. And I would tell you that it had the most beautiful nightlife of any place I'd ever been. But it also, you could- Darn it, did we lose him?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think he hit one of those spots in eastern Colorado, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, I think he probably did. So, Jim, we're going to... Oh. We got you back. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, just stop, Imogen. Just stop. So, I think I've got to get a signal for a minute here, and I'll just stop. Okay. Anyway, my comments are the CEO of this company was a guy that lived in South Africa named Leander, and he had a beautiful farm with thatched huts, and we spent one night out there under the Southern Cross, and and looking at all the animals and did i mean it was but he had to make a decision uh he could this was 2008 he could get out and basically sell his his place at a a tiny loss or he could you know try to retrieve the value of what he paid for it and i said if you really want to go to the united states let's do it right let's let's sell out and go well about a year later they just confiscated that place Or in other words, he would have lost it all. And it was quite a place. So that's what's going on over there. And I just think it's really interesting when folks talk about, you know, racism, the left. And then we look at what they do with anti-Semitism, which to me is racism in its purest form. But because people have a different color of skin, then that is a racist. So it's a funny double standard that we have.
SPEAKER 16 :
It really is. Thank you, Jim May. And Trent, Jenny had texted in a couple of things. But when I mentioned the Episcopal Church that said they're not going to help any of these refugee Afrikaners, she said, is that the same Episcopal Church where the bishop in New York chastised Trump about mercy to the LGBTQ plus community? So, again, another double standard. Your comments on Jim's question. statement, Trent. And so I wonder if that means that Jim's colleagues sold, and so whoever bought that then paid money out, and then it was confiscated. It kind of sounded like that's what happened, Trent.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's been happening on a regular basis, as I indicated, since 1987. I want to just Take it a step further with your stake and transportation. If you have aluminum foil and just put that right up on the dash and it's hot enough, the sun could have that thing cooked for you so you could eat it once you arrive.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Good to know. I didn't think I would. I thought I would wait and cook it when I got there, so good.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I'm just trying to be, you know, frugal with your time. I just didn't know.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, you know time is very valuable. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I just want to echo Jim's sentiments. I agree 100%. There's no food safety concern whatsoever in that 48-hour window.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Okay. So thank you on that. I had this question out there, and it's going to have to be next week, and that was how should we fund the government?
SPEAKER 09 :
So I'll let you have that for homework for this next week because I don't know why we need a government at the federal level other than military. All we really need to fund is the military. The rest is an intrusion. All other government can be state and county.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, the things that are in the Constitution, though, regarding our borders, you know, there's a few things that they should do. So, like, what about the interstate highway system? How should that be funded?
SPEAKER 09 :
It can be funded through the state. Each state is responsible for it, just like a state highway. Why does it need to be federally funded? And your military can take care of your borders and be the security. It's the only funding we need for a federal government.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. So how would we pay for the military?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that's the question. I don't know what the answer is, but I know that we can take our spending from $80 trillion to a bare minimum compared to what we're paying now.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, absolutely. And I think that people are getting a lot of heart regarding what Doge is attempting to do at the federal level. Let's talk just a little bit more about roads. And you know what? I also you know what? I'm going to change gears. I know that this is a. Big question to throw out with just three minutes left. But there's petitions out there here in Colorado that people are carrying regarding no new importation of wolves into Colorado. Give us your quick cliff notes on your thoughts about that petition.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, that'll be quick. We need to not import any more wolves. In fact, there's about 35 that need to disappear. And this wolf thing continues to be a problem all throughout the country and around the world. Even Italy now is talking about a wolf problem and depredation and livestock. California has suddenly realized they've got an inundation problem from north to south. New Mexico, Arizona, we had this under control. And it's no different than the conversation about rewilding America. It is about eliminating people from owning land and generating the essentials of life for mankind.
SPEAKER 16 :
So, in a way, it's a subtle way here in the United States of what is happening to the Afrikaners in South Africa.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely. 100% agree.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the other thing is that I'm concerned that there may be some human that may be attacked by wolves, and that will be as brutal as what Yvonne was mentioning about some of the people in South Africa. So we've got just about a minute left or so. Trent Luce, what's your final thought for our listeners today?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, that's something off the wall. Denver is home to the American sheep industry organization representing the sheep producers of this country. We do not have a wool textile mill other than one in South Carolina at the moment, and that's owned by a foreign interest company. We need a whole new level of infrastructure built for taking the cotton and the wool that has grown in the United States and turning it into something that people need. We just need to get those things started now. We've allowed this infrastructure to erode. It's time to fix the erosion.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that is absolutely true, and I have personal experience with that because I used to be in the ladies' clothing industry, and we had manufacturing in North Carolina that did end up being moved offshore. They tried to keep it in North Carolina as long as possible. And then many of the people that have worked in that particular manufacturing facility, they lost their jobs. And it was really, it was detrimental to that little community. Trent Luce, it's always interesting. I'm never sure where it's going to go exactly, but it's always pretty darn interesting. So thank you so much. Have a great week. We will talk again next week.
SPEAKER 09 :
Can't wait. Thank you, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
And our quote for the end of the show is from Albert Einstein. He said this, in the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. So today, my friends, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, we are not alone. So God bless you and God bless America.
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And fast on a rough road riding High through the mountains climbing Twisting, turning further from my home Young like a new moon rising Fierce through the rain and lightning And I don't want no one to cry. But tell them if I don't survive.
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5/17/25: LT Arms & SafeBox & The Outdoorsman’s Attic Today’s Guests: We are excited to have the crew from LT Arms in Littleton, CO with us today! Kyle Wille, Owner will join us along with Brandon and Evan to talk about their great business. Then, Eric Hackett, Owner of SafeBox in Englewood, CO joins us and says now you have a safe place to store important documents, Jewelry, Gold and Guns. At SafeBox their mission is to provide their clients with the highest levels of security, privacy and customer service. SafeBox offers safe deposit boxes of all sizes both for businesses and individuals. Gun storage safes and personal safes are also available. In our final segment, it’s Billy Paddock with the Outdoorsman’s Attic, Colorado’s premier consignment store for hunting, fishing and camping gear. A lot of great discounts thru out the store, and remember they’ve got live bait. They are located at 2650 W Hampden Ave in Sheridan, CO. Download the KLZ 560 App to listen live. The Sportsman Of Colorado Radio Podcast on www.SportsmanofColorado.com is sponsored by www.DavisTent.com.
SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado, Colorado's premier outdoor radio show heard every Saturday afternoon on KLZ 560 with insights on hunting, fishing, archery, guns, and ammo from Colorado's top outfitters featuring the industry's leading experts on how to enhance your experience in the great outdoors. Now, here's your host, Scott Watley.
SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to Sportsman of Colorado. Again, thank you so much for being with us. Well, the first of every month, our next guest will be our guest. Every Saturday, first of the month, of course, catch our replays as well. And I'll go ahead and mention that. Our live show is Saturdays 1 to 2. Then on Sundays, 8 in the morning, 8 at night. Hey, you can catch us twice on Sundays. Then the following Thursday at 9 a.m. So four times a week. And, of course, you can get our podcast anywhere you get yours. But again, Our good friends from LT Arms in studio. Our very first show we did, I actually went over there and we recorded the show on location, but wanted to get the guys in the studio with us. So good to have you guys. Kyle, how are you, sir? Doing great. And that is Kyle Willey. He's the owner. And Evan Lee. Evan.
SPEAKER 12 :
Good to see you again, Scott.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good to see you. And the man, Brandon Anderson. He told me to say that. Okay, so he told me, he said when he introduced me, just say the man. All right. Thanks. Good to be here. Brandon Anderson.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good to see you. All right, Kyle, for those that maybe missed the first show with you guys, tell us a little bit about how LT Arms came about.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so as far as LT Arms, we're a one-stop shop for everything hunting. I tried to gear the shop towards that so that people could have a nice, warm environment to come to with a knowledgeable staff to help them with all their hunting questions.
SPEAKER 06 :
You're still looking for that knowledgeable staff? Yeah, it's hard to find.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, and you know what? It is really cool because every store – I mean, hey, there are some good gun stores in the area, okay? But every store kind of has their niche a little bit, you know? And what I'm picking up from you guys is you can't be everything to everybody, but yet, man, what you're putting together there with kind of a team from the gunsmithing side of things to some – different types of guns, periods of guns that you've got, a little bit with reloading. I mean, you're kind of getting that whole big old picture there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I mean, with the staff that we have, between everyone there, we can – meet anyone's needs that they have anything from complete restoration to you know new builds to you know reloads and having everything that needs to be done in the firearm industry we can easily help them with all the knowledgeable staff that we have right they are located 8119 shaffer parkway in littleton and uh what are your hours So Monday through Friday is 10 to 7, and then Saturday we're open 10 to 4.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, good deal. All right, we could kind of make this a roundtable discussion or whatever, but, man, if we would have looked back a few years ago when you started this, we could have never dreamed the assault, I'll call it, on guns and gun ownership. Yeah. Man, and you speed it up to where we are right now. And, of course, some things have been signed, but those actually don't go into effect. And hopefully they won't, but until next year. But let's kind of just open that up and just kind of talk. And, you know, all you guys talk to customers on a daily basis and things. So, Brandon, I'll let you open it up. What are you seeing with this gun laws and what are people talking about when they come in the store?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, the SB3 got signed in about two weeks ago now. We get a lot of people coming in that they think that as soon as that was signed, it is concrete law right away. And, I mean, we've been getting a lot of phone calls with people asking, am I still allowed to buy these things? You know, when can I take the class so I can – get my permit to carry a detachable magazine semi-automatic gun. And it was signed into law. It doesn't actually go into effect until August of 2026, like you were saying. So you can still come in and get any of the stuff that you've previously been able to get. There aren't any restrictions yet on anything. There's a couple of lawsuits going on. So it looks like hopefully that will be tied up in court for the next few years and won't actually become a law. So there's, you know, a few organizations like the Colorado state student shooting association, gun owners of America and NRA, they're all teaming up to start a lawsuit. There's already a lawsuit going against proposition KK, which is the sales tax on firearms. So they're, they're trying to push back against that. The, uh, the social media bill that they tried to get going, got, vetoed and they tried to override the veto yesterday and that got shot down in the house so that's nice at least one you know one of the 15 gun bills they're trying to pass this year got shot down but they're yeah they're going they're going pretty hard with the the anti-gun legislation this year what are most people saying i mean when you evan i don't know if your interaction with customers too i mean what what are most people saying when they when they come in
SPEAKER 12 :
At first, we saw some panic buying from some of the newer customers that are getting into the firearms world for the first time. But a lot of the old guys who have seasoned and been through this a few times, the general consensus is this is ultimately going to get overturned. There's a Supreme Court precedent on this in New York and B.C., with previous decisions. It's clearly government overreach at the local level. And even some of our clients who do, let's just say, lean left a little bit more are even wildly opposed to this entire thing. Just they can't believe that this actually happened.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because I don't even see a way to even – if it got to – to even administrate it. That, too.
SPEAKER 12 :
Dude, it could take – The costs of this alone.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, the time it could take someone to actually, you know, from the time they fill out paperwork to do all the things that they were listing there and then how CPW is going to manage that and orchestrate that. I mean, we can't even get like a – hunter safety class locally for some people to take. Oh, they're way backed up on that. And so, I mean, how in the world is that going to work?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the best part is with a lot of the laws now, because for the concealed carry classes, the sheriffs, all the instructors have to be licensed with the sheriffs now. That is in a full effect now and the sheriffs still have no clue how they're going to certify these instructors. So that was last year when that passed and they still haven't figured it out. So it's like, how are they going to figure this out too? So they're passing all these laws and then no one has any clue how to enact them or enforce them or anything like that. So it makes it harder for us gun shops.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, right. And we're going to try to keep you informed as best we can with folks like this that are in it day to day. But I'm just telling you right now, it's time to go buy a gun. All right? That's an easy thing to come right now. And, again, we're talking to LT Arms, 8119 Schaefer Parkway in Littleton. All right. You've got a cool event coming up, I think, in Wyoming.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so we're going to the Central Wyoming Machine Gun Shoot. That's kind of middle of nowhere between Medicine Bow and Casper. As far as that, anyone's welcome to come. You just pay your admission and then there's going to be a ton of people there with machine guns. and you just pay for the ammo that you want to shoot. So it could get real expensive or you could have a fun time. Either one.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think it's going to be real expensive to have a fun time. Yeah, exactly. So let's just say somebody wanted to shoot, you know, a couple hundred rounds. I mean, any idea what kind of price tag we would just let them know that they would spend?
SPEAKER 10 :
So, I mean, for that, you could be, I mean, if you just stick with shooting 9mm machine guns, that could be fairly cheap and affordable. $200, you could easily have a fun day shooting 9mm. If you want to get into, you know, shooting the bigger calibers, you know, old historic World War II guns, .50 cals, all that, then you're getting a little more pricey. I mean, so I would say low-end, $200 to high-end, I mean, you could easily drop $10,000 if you wanted to go crazy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure, sure. Now, do they buy tickets just at the gate, so to speak?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it's a $20 admission fee for a day pass, or they do have camping passes where you can stay. It's the 6th through the 8th of June, so you can spend all three days there, and it's $40 to camp all weekend. But, yeah, beyond that, you pay your admission fee, and then it's like a price per booth where you can go. There's tons of vendors up there. We're not going to be the only one. Sure. You can make your way down the line, and, I mean, there's everything from old Gatling guns to miniguns. They have a night shoot with incendiary rounds like tracers and stuff with explosive targets and old cars and washing machines and Tannerite and all of the— All the fun stuff. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's going to be a rich environment.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's going to be an American heart out there. Yeah. And each of the participants is going to be bringing a particular sort of interest. A lot of these guys are collectors and they've got like older firearms. A lot of them are going to have more modern arms. um the particular things that we offer everything from yeah modern nine mil ar platform type things and we've got historic guns such as a german mg42 browning 1919 um really neat stuff right really neat stuff and not a lot of times you get the opportunity to fire such a fire you know it's amazing i've been able to do it a few times but it's amazing
SPEAKER 06 :
And I guess just use the term how much, if you're not familiar with that, how much that gun will walk on you, I mean, rise up, I mean, really quick. I mean, it's cool, though, man. I'm telling you. And it's hard to even describe what it feels like just to hit that trigger and, man, just see holes flying.
SPEAKER 12 :
Not expensive, full automatic.
SPEAKER 06 :
It's the best roller coaster ride.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
And people can't, hey, people say, can you buy a machine gun? Yes, you can. Right? Yeah, you can. What are some that you guys maybe have or can get? For sale?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so as far as some machine guns out there, it has to be a post-ban machine gun is the requirement for civilians to own them. And as far as what options are out there, there's a handful of M16s and stuff like that. A lot of your old World War II machine guns are on the registry, so you can buy those. your cheapest option is going to be around 30 grand. 30 grand. So that's the hard part there is it's supply and demand, simple economics there. They're not making any more, and as people use them, they die off and get worn out. We can restore them and get them back to working condition, but some of them are beyond repair, and so... The supply is dwindling, and the demand is going higher than ever.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure. Once again, we're visiting with a crew from LT Arms. We've got Kyle Willey, the owner, Evan Lee, and Brandon Anderson with us. If you haven't been by the store, hey, highly recommend you go by. One cool part in the store, a lot of times you just walk in a store, and there'll be some guns on the rack or in cases or whatever, but you guys got what you call the library. So who wants to take that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so the library, it was kind of when I first started, I wanted to have a place to have people come and relax and enjoy. Because when I first started, background checks were only a couple of hours instead of the three-day wait that we have now. So I wanted a place where people could just sit and wait and relax. So I built it out to look real nice. So we have all of our old historical firearms on display. We have a ton of books. We have a nice cooler with some drinks in it that people can grab. And it's just a nice environment for people to come and sit and enjoy their time.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And you've got some pretty cool guns in there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So one of the collections that I tried to get was a general progression of military rifles. So I have everything from the, you know, flintlock rifle down to the M16. We don't have the MCX spear yet, but maybe we'll have that on the wall eventually.
SPEAKER 06 :
Be sure and follow them on social media as well, especially their Instagram page and Facebook. What else, Erica? I'm sorry, what'd you say?
SPEAKER 12 :
Twitter.
SPEAKER 06 :
Twitter. Okay. We call it now. All right. X. Yeah. All right. Be sure and follow them in there. And Brandon, I guess I'll turn this one to you. But I saw, I think just a couple of days ago, you were talking about, hey, if folks were struggling in some areas, maybe, you know, mental health, different things like that. Sometimes there are some things you can get into legally where maybe you have to Can't have guns in the home for a little bit. You guys are offering a service there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, we offer storage for people. So, yeah, if it's a mental health issue or if, yeah, there is a legal issue like, you know, domestic violence cases and things like that, we do offer storage for people. So, yeah, you can call us up or email us and set up an appointment and bring your stuff down and we'll store it for you so that way – You know, whether it's court mandated or if it's just a personal issue where you want to get them out of the house, yeah, we'll do that for you and get them stored in a safe location so they're accessible in the future.
SPEAKER 10 :
And one of the big things there is no questions asked. We're not going to hound you and all that. We could care less. We just want people to be safe and have a good place to go home to. That way nothing bad ends up happening. So that's something that we try to offer and just give them a safe space to come to.
SPEAKER 06 :
LT Arms, 8119 Schaefer Parkway in Littleton. You're listening to Sportsman of Colorado. We've got to hit a quick break, and we'll be back with more right after this.
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SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to Sportsman of Colorado. If you're just joining us, LT Arms is in the house. 8119 Schaefer Parkway in Littleton. We've got Kyle Willey, the owner, Evan Lee, and Brandon Anderson with us. And, Evan, you were mentioning during the break, you know, in the library there, a few extra added values there.
SPEAKER 12 :
So tell us how you kind of set that up. People think library, they think you've got to stick the nose in a book, and that's not necessarily the case. There's a few screens around the shop, and there's a big one on the wall in the showroom and a big one on the wall in the library. And a lot of that content you see on there, those historical treatments about vintage gun riders or famous hunters or particular firearms or just characters from the Old West, we create a lot of content for our YouTube channel regarding those sorts of historical aspects of the firearms world. And they get a lot of play. People really, really enjoy those historical treatments. So those are playing in the shop all the time. And if you're sitting in the library waiting for a spot repair on a shotgun, you can enjoy a neat video and learn something about an old character from the Old West or an old gun writer from the middle of the 20th century.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow, that's cool.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it's neat stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, I think it is cool because, I mean, I follow you guys, of course. And just seeing little things you put out there, I mean, I don't care how long you've been hunting or shooting, whatever. Man, there's always something you don't know. It's a lifetime of learning, isn't it? And, I mean, it's cool to have you come on. You know, I've watched a lot of yours as far as from the reloading side and talking about cartridges and different things like that. So let's talk about that area of it just a little bit from a reloading standpoint. Is that something that's on the rise uploading, or is that kind of leveled off these last few years, not too many people downloading?
SPEAKER 12 :
It's funny you mention that because I had a class last Saturday and they just had the idea. Husband and wife came in and took a course from us and I got another one that's coming up next weekend. The interest seems to be getting up there again. They say about 10% of shooters are reloaders, but I'd like to see that jump up because once people learn the benefits to it. It's not much of an economic aspect. You're not saving any money. You're just going to shoot a lot more. But you're going to have a lot more accurate loads for your rifle. Another aspect of it, other than the classes, is we offer the loading of obscure and obsolete ammunition for older firearms to get them up and running again. We've had some really neat projects come in lately, and we can get those old rifles moving again for you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. So if people want to get in a class, what do they do?
SPEAKER 12 :
I just call the shop. We book them at your convenience. We used to have a booking system online where we had them set scheduled on there, but a lot of folks just have these tight schedules these days. So you just call us, tell us when you can do it, when you want to do it, and we will book a three-hour window and do your class at your convenience.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow. All right. Big test. Phone number?
SPEAKER 12 :
720-727-0400. All right. Hey, you pass.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Somebody says, I want to get into reloading. What's going to be that initial investment to really get what they need?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, we carry a couple of different options for that. You can get a really nice introductory starter kit from some larger companies like Redding and RCBS for around $500. And that's going to be everything you need except for dies and a case trimmer. And a case trimmer you can kind of get into later. But under $600 for the tools you're going to need. Get a nice bench or a setup in a closet at home even. And then it's reloading. Your brass is the most expensive aspect of the ammunition. Cartridge cases, that's why we reload them. That's the most expensive part. So once you start getting a pile of cases built up from all your shooting, you can reload them for pennies compared to what you're spending on a round of loaded ammo from the factory.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You know, you hear that a lot that a hand load is more accurate. Why is that? When you've got a factory supposedly with all the...
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, factory ammunition has never been better.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really?
SPEAKER 12 :
It is great. It really is. And it's going to do everything you want it to do. But if you want your rifle to do a little bit more, rifle barrels are kind of like thumbprints. Each one's a little bit different. Even though they're all made at the same factory, each one's going to react a little different. And once you figure out by experimentation and hand-loading, with different powders and different projectiles. What that particular rifle likes, you can tighten up your groups. Wow. Very cool. I've seen it done many, many times, and I've done it with many of my rifles, and it's a fun pursuit. One hobby feeds the other.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. All right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, give the store a call at... 720-727-0400. All right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sounds good. And, Kyle, another thing, again, I talked about, boy, you're kind of putting all the pieces to the puzzle when somebody thinks of a gun store or one area that's gunsmithing. And you guys kind of got that area covered in a great way, too.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah, definitely. As far as gunsmithing, all of our gunsmiths come from a gunsmithing school, one or the other. We have one outlier that went to Trinidad, but the rest of them graduated from Colorado School of Trade here in town. It's a great option for people that want to get into the game, but the first thing people learn in school is they don't learn a lot when they get into the real world. And so that's one of the nice things is the expertise that we have. After they get out of school, they can progress and learn, kind of get more hands-on experience. Because with guns, the biggest thing is learning. everything's different. I mean, you can't, it's not a textbook thing you can learn because there's so many different things that could go wrong and you have to be able to, you know, diagnose and repair.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Once again, it's LT arms, 81, 19 Schaefer Parkway in Littleton, open Monday through Saturday for you. And again, great, great group of folks there. And I'm telling you, we can't, well, I've started saying, I'm telling you, I can't tell you now. But we do have some news that will be coming, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, great big news that is going to be coming down the pipeline here. Just a little teaser for those people out there. Make sure that you follow us and see what's coming and what's going to happen. It's going to really catapult us into the next wave. next level yeah absolutely now with the gunsmithing real quick you guys do cerakote you guys yeah i mean yeah so yeah we do complete uh finishing uh cerakoting case hardening bluing all that stuff in-house uh we have sources to do nickeling plating all that stuff uh depending on what someone wants their gun to look like uh i always tell people the only limitation is your imagination so wow okay
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and we can even do... We've been doing a lot of motorcycle parts and things like that. We do a lot of automotive stuff like exhaust manifolds, pistons. I mean, pretty much anything you can do Cerakote because there's high-temp Cerakote that you can use for automotive stuff that, you know... performance parts and things like that so a lot of yeah a lot of guys who build race cars they get their pistons cerakoted just because it makes them more durable and makes them last a little bit longer erica's gotten some motorcycle parts done recently so yeah motocross guys car guys anything like that anything even beyond firearms we can do for you so
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, cool. Suppressors, last year or so, have really gone crazy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, the suppressor game has really blown up in the last year or so. I think one of the things about that is the e-filing. It's so much quicker now to get a suppressor. Instead of waiting the year plus to get a suppressor, now, I mean, they're coming back anywhere from a week to a month. I think the longest one we've had has been – We've been pushing two months on some right now, but that makes it a lot more enticing for people because having to drop $1,000 on a suppressor and then wait a year and a half to get it, that wasn't fun. But also, now that it's becoming more available for people to get, one of the benefits is it cuts back on recoil and sound mitigation so the downside to a muzzle brake is it destroys your ears uh and so this gives you the best of both worlds and people are seeing how it is and so it's just you know uh word of mouth is working very well as far as the suppressor game yep absolutely how's the process work in your store if they come to your store Yeah, so how the process works is they come in, just like any other gun, you have to decide what you want before you can start the paperwork, because that serial number for the suppressor is tied to you. So they come in, pick the suppressor, and then we'll do your fingerprints and picture in the shop for you, and then we submit the paperwork, get all that picked out. You can pick between doing it individually or in a trust, And depending on how you want to do that, we can help you out with that as well. But I try to push people towards the trust because it just gives you the most versatility and user-friendliness. But from there, then it's just a waiting game once we submit it. And once it's approved, the customer will get an email. We'll get an email saying that it's approved, and then they come in and pick it up.
SPEAKER 06 :
It's $200 for the tax stamp, plus the cost of the suppressor.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. And then if they want to do a trust, depending on how they want to do the trust, there's fees in that as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, right. What do you guys like in the suppressor world? Who are you kind of leaning towards? You think good suppressors these days?
SPEAKER 11 :
We just got a Lone Star from Texas. Yeah, we just got a new company in. It's a small company from Texas. It's making stuff. They come in nice wood presentation boxes. So, yeah, they're doing some really nice stuff. Dead Air stuff is, I mean, that's probably the top that we do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Dead Air and Silencer Co. are the big. brands right now that we're selling. And then, yeah, Lone Star in Texas, they're a great option as well. But then a budget-friendly one would be Aero. Your Aero suppressor, it's not titanium. Titanium gives you a lighter can, but it costs a lot more. Aero's making a steel can for half the price of what most suppressors are. So that's a good option as well. Wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Last couple of minutes, let's talk about some of the classes that you're either offering or you're going to be offering. What are just some different classes that folks can contact you for?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I mean, honestly, if you can think of it in the gun world, we probably have a class for it. But we offer reloading classes, an hour with a gunsmith to learn anything you want about a firearm. That's an option that we offer as well. And then self-defense classes, concealed carry classes, stuff like that. And then kind of just random oddball classes that we're offering starting in June. We're going to have two different kind of segments of just get to know what's going on. So there's a bunch of different options. If you can think of it, we probably have a class coming for it. So that's one of the nice things.
SPEAKER 06 :
Cool. Guys, our time goes too quick, man. But thank you guys for coming over to the studio and everything. Really looking forward to having you on here with us. And folks, once again, great store, great group of folks working there. And I'm telling you, if you haven't been able to find some answers, maybe at some other gun shops, hey, Try LT Arms. Got a feeling they're going to be able to help you. 8119 Schaefer Parkway in Littleton. Hey, when you go in, let them know you heard them here on the show, and we would appreciate that as well. And, hey, great selection of ammo, different things. A couple of things in the store you've got good selections on.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, huge selection on bolt actions, ammo, reloading components, cleaning components, everything to take care of your firearms. And then we're also hunting, you know, necessities as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And you're going to be making some rifles.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, we will be. Yep, we'll have our own line of bolt-action rifles on the shelf here pretty soon.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we'll save that until next time. All right, thank you guys so much. Once again, it's LT Arms. Get by and see them, and let them know Scott sent you. You're listening to Sportsman of Colorado. We'll be back with more right after this.
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SPEAKER 14 :
AM560. KLZ. Your home station.
SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for being with us. Well, we've got a new client we're going to introduce you today. And I heard this gentleman actually on Rush to Reason. And, boy, I felt like there was a great need. You know, most of you that have listened to the show for a time... was Jake Jabs, Corporate Sales Manager at American Furniture. And Jake always says, find a need, fill that need, and you'll be successful. And here's a need that was out there, and I think this is going to be a very, very informative segment for us. So we're going to introduce Eric Hackett. He is the owner of Safebox. It's located at 3333 South Bannock Street in Englewood. You can check out the website, safeboxdeposits.com. Their number is 303-771-8000. And actually, we're at Safebox doing the interview here because I wanted to come over and see what it was all about and just look at all the different safe type deposit boxes, gun safes, all the different things that are available here. under very heavy lock and key. So, Eric, thanks for having us out. How are you? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me on. You bet. So, how did this concept come about? I always, when people create such an interesting business, I'm like, man, why didn't I think of that? Because, man, this is going to be good. So, I mean, how did this come about for you?
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure. It was really just friends and family in the banking industry and... getting wind of branches closing physical locations and downsizing locations and basically eliminating the safe deposit boxes from their business model. So after hearing that multiple times and that customers were being displaced, we thought we would, you know, fill the need and find a good solution for them. So that's how we started.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow. Well, most of you know, if you're around the Englewood area especially, you'll see a Chase Bank building. You'll see a Wells Fargo tower. Not sure how long this has been here, this Wells Fargo tower, but for many years. And – Like I say, I wanted to come over and just see what it would kind of look like, see what the setup was. And secure is the word. This is very secure. So let's kind of explain the best we can. I wish we had some TV cameras here, but let's explain the best we can. A little bit about a virtual tour, so to speak.
SPEAKER 03 :
So tell folks how it works. Sure. So the city of Englewood just changed the parking in front of our facility. We have our own entrance on the east side of the building. Englewood has changed it to a loading zone so people can enter straight into our facility. So you'll enter the first set of doors into the vestibule and you'll hit a buzzer. and we'll verify your name and identity and then we'll buzz you in and the second set of doors as we discussed is ballistic glass so there's no getting through and you'll also notice bollards that were installed outside of the exterior doors to prevent you know any vehicles or any sort of intrusion there And then once you come in, we'll get you checked in, and we have a bank-grade vault. This is the old Wells Fargo vault. It's been here since 1968. I have never felt a vault door. Son, that thing is thick. It weighs several hundred pounds. And on top of that, you know, we have state-of-the-art alarm system and 24-7 surveillance throughout the whole facility.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow. So cool. And you can really store, I mean, multitudes of different sizes. I won't make you run through all the sizes of all the different boxes, but in the first main safe area, there's really just different types of boxes, mainly kind of like what you would think of a safety deposit box, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct, yeah. So we took over the existing vault. There's seven different sizes of safe deposit boxes, and then we also, as I showed you, have full-on gun storage. So we have anything from your basic gun cabinets to fireproof, waterproof gun safes. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And, folks, hey, in this day and time, and you're going to hear this segment on Sportsman of Colorado as well as our Haystack show, but I'm telling you, in the climate that we're in now, just with crime, all the different things, I'm telling you, this is the answer. You've got a place right here that is the most secure thing your money can buy. I can promise you that. And it's right here in Englewood, 3333 South Bannock Street. And, again, just a picture of the bank-type vault. That's what your valuables will be in. And also, as Eric walked me back to kind of the gun storage area there, a lot of different styles for long guns. You've got things you can put, you know. ammo in you can put handguns in whatever the case you want so if you're looking to maybe get guns out of your house uh maybe you uh don't feel comfortable with them being in your home all right this is a very very convenient way to have them stored and uh hey you can come over and visit them get them anytime you want so let's kind of talk about that eric as far as uh folks when they do need something do they need an appointment or how does it work to come back over if they need to grab something or look at something
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, we do run by appointment. So they can just go to the website, request an appointment, and it's just been more convenient that way for both customers. And so they're not overlapped. They're not waiting. Sure. And that was one of the biggest complaints with the banks. The customers from the banks was... My mother-in-law had a safe deposit box, and the last time she went in, she waited over an hour at a Wells Fargo. So we're trying to eliminate all of that running by appointment. And the other thing that sets us apart from the banks, aside from the convenience, is... We did jump through about a 220-point process to become accredited with AXA Financial, which is the third largest insurance company in the world. So we insure your safe deposit box or your gun safe for $5,000 standard with every box rental. And then if you want additional coverage on top of that, it's extremely affordable since we did become accredited with them. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Yeah, that'll work. Yeah, for sure. If you're just joining us, we are coming to you live from 3333 South Bannock Street in Englewood, the home of Safebox. Eric Hackett is the owner. Check out the website, safeboxdeposits.com. And once again, the number 303-771-8000 is the number. You know, when you look at and you think about just different things, people, and I told you when I first came in and just thinking about the history of this building, there's no telling what's been in some of these boxes here. Oh, yeah. You wish you kind of could know some of the history of it here. But, folks, seriously, I mean, I don't know what the dimensions of the smallest type box you have, but, I mean.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, so the smallest box is going to be 3 by 5 inches by 22 deep. They're all going to be 22 inches deep. And our smallest box starts at $15 a month. All right. No-brainer. It's pretty affordable.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Now, on the gun stores, let's hit those prices just a minute.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Kind of fill us in there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. So our gun cabinets start at $50 a month, and those are for a 14-gun long-arm capacity. And then we have... the gun safes that are fireproof, waterproof, and they have a 24-gun capacity, and those are $100 a month. Okay. And then we also have, as I showed you, another vault that we can customize for you know, larger items or, you know, we can customize a solution for any customer.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, right. Well, Eric, man, this is going to be a good deal for you, bud. And I know new businesses and new ventures, you're just like, oh, man, cross your fingers, hoping everything's going to work out good. But I'm telling you, man, we're going to help you get the word out. And folks, hey. once again hey we're all looking for our things to be secure and safe and you know when it comes to gun uh no laughing matter so i mean hey if you've got kids and maybe they're getting to an age now that you're just saying hey man i want to get these locked up i don't want to get rid of my guns but i do want them to be at a safe place this is it 3333 south bannock street in englewood Once again, safeboxdeposits.com, and the number is 303-771-8000. So, Eric, thanks for having us out, and we'll get you on to do this again. But congrats on your business, and folks, when you come in, let them know you heard them here on KLZ, and we'd appreciate that as well. So, Eric, thanks for having us. Sounds good. Thank you, Scott. We've got to take a quick break, and we'll be back with more right after this.
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SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to the show. Hey, always good to have our good friend Billy Paddock with us. It is the Outdoorsman's Attic 2650 West Hamden. Now, Billy's been with us for years since we started, really, our shows. But if you haven't heard him, this is a great concept he came up with. It is a consignment store for the outdoors. Now, let me define outdoors. That's hunting, fishing, camping. None of the golf or anything like that. It is strictly hunting, fishing, and camping gear. Billy, always good to have you on. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 13 :
Good. I appreciate that disclaimer. It's not like I don't like golf and all that kind of stuff. But if I don't do it, I can't sell it because I don't feel comfortable telling people about it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, no, no doubt.
SPEAKER 13 :
No key gear, no golf. There's plenty of shops out there. But, yeah, hunting, fishing, that kind of thing, we're all about that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Man, no doubt. You know, it is something. Buddy and I, we were talking that day, just all the gear that you accumulate as a sportsman. And you kind of look back at things and you're like, why did I buy this? And then the big thing I run into a lot of times, I can't find something. So then I go buy it knowing I had one. And then I find myself with two. So a lot of things can go on there. But let's approach the consignment side first of things in just gear and whether that's hunting, camping, fishing, and just kind of tell people how all that works.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so, I mean, we're not high pressure here. You know, we're a family business. Most of your listeners probably know that by now. But I don't try to make things harder than they really are. So you bring your stuff in. We set you up with the consignment accounts. you know, to kind of go through your stuff. We want stuff that's usable guys. If you're not going to use it out there, chances are somebody else isn't either. So no funky smelling, you know, tents and no, no ripped pair of pants. You know, we want usable stuff. That being said, everybody's got that kind of stuff. You know, like you mentioned earlier, guys go in and out of stuff all the time. You know, I, I thought that I was going to be a fly fisherman. I found out it wasn't for me. I get frustrated. So I had all that junk and everything, and so you bring it into a shop like mine. We sell it for you. We get some money back. More importantly, you get to go and use that money or find something else that you really like to do. It's a good outlet for that kind of thing, you know, because every year, you know, everybody looks through the magazines and goes, ah, I've got to have that part. A lot of times that stuff doesn't work out for people, you know. Our shop's a great way to get introduced into those kind of sports, too. A typical guy, I just talked to a guy earlier this week. He just dropped $1,000 on a bunch of fly fishing stuff. And he's like, oh, man, I wish I would have known. I just picked this up and. walks into my shop i probably could have outfitted four guys no i started to say yeah that was all it goes a long way at your store yeah it does it does and so you know if you're on that even on the fence guys you know if you're just thinking about getting into elk hunting you know come into my shop you know the clothing gets expensive so quickly you know um another great outlet is kids stuff um you know kids camo you know kids fishing stuff kids waders you know Those kids aren't going to stay that size. There's no sense in spending $200 on a set of waders for a kid that's going to wear them for maybe three trips. That being said, if you've got kid gear, bring it in because we're always starving for that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
That'd be a huge sector, man, that really needs help. Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, you know, and I mean, you know, going forward, I mean, even like muzzleloading, that's getting hot again because you guys are getting kind of frustrated with some of the draws. And if you got muzzleloading stuff and you tried it, you decided it's not for you, bring it in. We can turn it into cash for you. and get it in front of somebody else that's going to use it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And, you know, a lot of times, too, man, fabric shrinks. In other words, our sizes change. And I've got some things that, you know, used to fit different. I'll just put it that way. And a lot of times this stuff, you know, is gently used, you can say. Oh, yeah. You know?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. I mean, we get – you know, I'm guilty of it. I always say that my arms get longer. And so – long-sleeve shirts and me never work out. And so my wife's like, gosh, what are you going to do with all this stuff? So I just bring it over to the shop and resell it. But I mean, that's true. This clothing stuff, a lot of the stuff that I get in is real lightly used. Guys, we're all gear junkies. We all like the greatest, best thing that blah, blah, blah that the neighbor has. But at the same time, the fish, the birds, the You know, the elk, nobody's looking at the labels, guys. They're not trying to see if you got the 2025 camo pattern. Yeah. You know, don't let that fool you. And so you come into a shop like mine, you save a buck, and you still get, you know, you still get good results.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. And once again, it's located at 2650 West Hamden. And what are your hours, Billy?
SPEAKER 13 :
And so Tuesday through Friday, we're here from – I'm usually here by 8. We're here until a little after 5, depending on if it's a little slow out there. We might go and play hooky, and I might go try to drop a line somewhere. And then on Saturdays, we're from 9 to 4. We're closed on Sundays and Mondays because I've got to – I've got to get out and play, too. I'm sick of hearing all the stories about everybody else going out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
SPEAKER 13 :
Fishing and hunting. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And, you know, just kind of thinking the last time I was in, I mean, man, if people are in the market for packs, man, you've got a big selection. You've got sleeping bags down. I mean, folks, this is something. There's an upstairs and a downstairs now when you go. So how do you describe the best way for people to get to you there off that service road?
SPEAKER 13 :
So we're just, you know, a lot of old-timers know the building as the old camera trader building. That was around since dirt was invented. We're in that building. We're basically between Santa Fe and Federal on 285. Everybody thinks it's a frontage road that's just north of Hampton there. It's actually Hampton Avenue. You'll see the back of the building up against 285. It's got a giant purple mountain on it. You know, that's that's us there. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And once again, folks, fishing, hunting, camping gear. And if you've got some things that, you know, you're just not using anymore. I'm telling you, it's a lot better than trying to do Facebook marketplace and some of these other things. um apps that may be out there you can take it into billy hey he'll help you price it reasonably where it'll sell and um like i say it's a great way to uh make some extra bucks or hey what i do is just end up buying something else there that ends up being a really really good deal because bill i mean i've seen things through the years i mean and quite often that's brand new in a package dude oh yeah i mean i mean we we've got a ton of ammo the reloading stuff is always hot if you
SPEAKER 13 :
If you've decided to back off of reloading, bring it in because I've got guys daily coming in and just buying everything that I have for reloading. So I'm starving for reloading supplies. And so you're going to get a premium for that. You know, the ammo, you know, it's all new stuff. You know, the fishing stuff, guys go in and out of fishing all the time. Right. Tents, wall tents. You know, the draw is going to be coming up here pretty quick. Yeah. Amen. Going through your stuff and thinking, okay, do I want to? Still be in this tent or do I want another one? Bring it into the shop, guys. You know, this is a good time of year for me to – I say that the store always kind of swells up after the wives start going through our closets and going, you know what, you're not going to fit that. I want to park my car in the garage kind of thing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Now's the time to do it, guys.
SPEAKER 06 :
And like you said, man, for families to come in, you know, and you got kids and you need to buy them some fishing gear, you need to get them some things. As Billy said, hey, their sizes are definitely not going to stay long. And, hey, there's a great selection in there of different things, and it can change day to day. I mean, this is actually a store, honestly, you can go in two, three times a week, and you will see different things every time you come in. And, Billy, it's got to be a fun deal. You know, I used to watch some of those pawn shop deals on TV when people bring stuff in. I mean, every time that the bell goes off and the front door opens, you never know what's going to walk in there that somebody wants to sell, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, yeah. It's crazy, the stuff. And, you know, I've learned a lot over the years, too. I thought that I knew everything. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, some of the best knowledge that I get are from my customers. You know, they bring in something that I've never seen before and they have to explain it to me. And then not five minutes later, one guy comes in and says, I've been looking for that for years and buys it and out the door happier than anything, you know. same thing with scotty our gunsmith downstairs you know he's a wealth of knowledge for me sure um and i mean he's just turning and burning right now um guys are bringing in a ton of stuff so right right and you got live bait too right we do yep yep uh ice fishing guys i i don't know what happened but we had good ice and then it quickly disappeared here in town but um the yep the mount lakes are still looking good so we still got plenty ice up there but Yeah, we go through a ton of bait and a ton of fishing stuff here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Once again, Billy Paddock is our guest. It's the Outdoorsman's Attic, 2650 West Hampton. Hey, when you go in, let them know you heard them here on the show. And you'll hear them on our Haystack show. You'll hear them on Sportsman of Colorado. But Billy has been one of our great supporters since we first started. And I just walked in one day and said, hey, I'm going to start a radio show. And they were kind enough to help me. um have been just just terrific um personal friends great partners for us here on the show helped a lot of our listeners and um i love the stories billy i think last year a couple times you had people listen and they were passing through town going to hunt and and swung in and bought something so that's good yeah you know and it works both ways scott it really does i mean you've truly been a help to the shop you know i love you guys you've
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, all your listeners have been great. And make sure you drop his name because you never know. I might be in a good mood.
SPEAKER 06 :
You won't charge him more, right, if they say Scott sent me?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, you're one of the few that if you drop Scott's name or the show and everything, you're going to get a discount. I promise I won't upcharge you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, man, we appreciate it. And, again, it's the Outdoorsman's Attic, 2650 West Hampton. So get by and see Billy again. Tell him I sent you, and they'll take great care of you. And if you've got some things, hey, taking up your garage space, closet space, go through it, get it over to Billy, and turn it into cash. So, Billy, I know you're busy, man. We appreciate it, and I'll get over and see you soon.
SPEAKER 13 :
Guys, thank you very much.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Thank you. Today's show is brought to you by the Mile High Hunt and Fish Expo. That's April 11th through the 13th at the Gaylord Rockies Resort. Go to milehighhuntexpo.com for your tickets and information. More coming up on that. Stay tuned to Sportsman of Colorado for that. Thanks for being with us today. Hope you have a great rest of your day. Leave it right here on KLZ 560.
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Join Angie Austin and Dr. Pyle Coley as they dive deep into heart health, discussing symptomatic obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and the importance of awareness and treatment. With guest John sharing his personal journey of living actively post-diagnosis and powerful insights from Dr. Coley, this episode emphasizes the crucial role of recognizing and acting upon symptoms ahead of time. Learn why heart health cannot be overlooked and discover strategies for staying active and healthy today.
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SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here's Angie.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey there, friend. Angie Austin and Jim Stovall here with the good news. And we are talking about his winner's wisdom column titled A Legendary Lesson. Welcome, Jim Stovall.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is always good to be with you, Miss Angie. And A Legendary Lesson, this week's column, was just a lot of fun for me because... My first movie, The Ultimate Gift, was directed by Michael Seibel. And he was in town and stopped by to see me. And it brought back so many memories. And I asked, what are you working on now? And he's working on this faith and football movie about the Green Bay Packers. And I thought, what a cool deal. And he's actually going back to the Ice Bowl, 1967, the first championship. It was 15 below zero, and Vince Lombardi's team won. And there's only two guys alive that were on that team, and one of them was Jerry Kramer. And wow, that brought back a memory, because when I was nine years old, I went to a college basketball game, and they had this lounge in between, and you could go get a Coke or popcorn. And I went up there with my dad, and several people were saying, that's Jerry Kramer. Well, I couldn't believe it. I went over and met this giant guy. As you know, I wanted to be a football player, and that's probably where the ambition began. And he actually talked to me quite a bit about it, and he's such an amazing guy. And I said, what are your memories of Lombardi? And he said, you know, he's the only coach I had, so he seems normal to me only now in retrospect do I understand what an amazing figure Vince Lombardi was. But he said, you know, Jim. Vince Lombardi always told me, my best is good enough. So don't worry. Don't feel inadequate. You are entitled to victory. You've got it. Your best is good enough. But we need your best every time. We've got to have your very best every time. And that's not as easy as it sounds. Because sometimes we think we're doing our best, and we're really not. And you have to reach down and just get a little more. There's always a little more. I've shared with your listeners before, I do a lot of Fortune 500 events for CEOs, and I remember I was working with a guy who helps with brainstorming, creative thinking, and you had a group of these guys who run some of the largest companies in the world in the room, and he said, okay, here's our topic, write down every idea you can think of, every idea, total brain dump, and when you've got it all down, put your pen down, we'll know you've got it all. And he waited until everybody had written down every idea they had. Okay, everybody's down. All the pens are down. He said, now, pick up your pen and write down one more idea. And without hesitating, these guys did it. And I said, where did that idea come from? We just had a total brain dump, and there's a little more left in the tank. Well, that's how giving our best effort works. You think you're doing your best until you find out when you really are. It's kind of like that first love you have, Angie, you know, when you're in junior high school and you meet somebody and say, this is it. This is the absolute quintessential love of my life. And they are until you meet the one that really is. And they're, oh, well, that's what that is. And you don't know. So, you know, we are always deeper, broader, more significant. I always tell my audiences, I hope God will put enough challenges and obstacles and barriers in your life so you'll find out what a giant of a human being you were created to be. Because we all have so much more than we think we did.
SPEAKER 08 :
I love it that only an elementary school age Jim Stovall would ask Jerry Kramer for the best advice he received from Vince Lombardi. Like that cracks me up. But even at nine, you're like, oh, this would be a good question where most kids are like, how much can you lift? How fast can you run? You know, but his best advice from his coach is a pretty good question to ask when you get someone like that who will spend that amount of time, you know, someone that well known that will spend that amount of time with a kid.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely. And I will admit, when I was nine, my dad may have helped me with that a little bit. I was scared to death that he'd meet this guy, you know. So, you know, we've always got to remember that there's always more capacity than we think there is, and you can always get more out of it. You think you do your best until you do, and then you can do better than that.
SPEAKER 08 :
So, yeah, right. You think you're doing your best, but can you pull more out? So he told...
SPEAKER 04 :
jerry i want your best but i want it every time not just your best half the time or in the playoffs or you know whatever you know it ends up being yeah and you know and and you know football's like life i mean there's a few things that matter and a lot of things that don't and we need to make sure we focus on the things that matter you know and people always tell me you know i'm giving 110 percent no you're not and and there's some things that aren't worth that just uh You know, I would encourage most people, look at the things you're doing today and do fewer things but do them better. And the people who succeed, I don't care whether you're the greatest golfer in the world or the greatest actor or the greatest writer or you're like Angie, you're the world's greatest radio host. The thing you do, if you'll do it better and do fewer things, it won't matter. It will not matter. I mean, I have interviewed some of the greatest people from their field. You know, whether it's entertainment or sports or business. And it's amazing how some of these people, they don't know how to do any of the normal stuff that, you know, you and I and your listeners know how to do. They don't know how to go to a grocery store. A lot of times they don't know how to drive a car. They don't know how to do anything, you know. And, you know, because they focus everything on the one thing they do, they've got other people to do everything else in their life. So the more you can focus and be excellent on the thing that matters... and avoid the things that don't matter.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Don't spend so much time on the stuff that doesn't matter. Like I'll find myself and it matters to do puzzles with my mom because she's in her mid eighties and she loves to do them and no one else in the family is really into it. So I do those with her, but then she'll be like, And her little apartment in the basement and I'll be upstairs on the big dining room table, you know, and I'll pass the puzzle and I'll be like, I'll just feel that draw. And I'm like, I know I need to clean. I know I have laundry to do. I know I have other things I should be doing. And I'll stop for like 15 minutes by myself and I'll just think in my brain like. Why am I standing here doing this? This is like scrolling on social media or whatever. It's fine if you're with your mom and you're having a conversation and you're keeping her company. But for me to stop by the puzzle in the middle of the day when I have so many other things to do, I get that giving your best all the time is important, but also focusing on the things that really matter at the right time. Like that puzzle might matter when it's in conjunction with my mom. But when it's by itself, there are things that are much more important for me to be doing. I'm just stalling, you know.
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Yeah, I remember when I was first starting in the movie business, and I interviewed Jack Lemmon, the Academy Award-winning actor, and I went on set. He was making a movie. And just before the director would say, you know, action, Lemmon would say something to himself over there. So when we took a break and I was talking to him, I said, what is that you say to yourself? And he said, I always tell myself, this is the magic time. This is, you know, somebody's grandchildren that aren't even born yet are going to see this. And you leave it. So every time I walk on stage, I always think of, you know, Mr. Lemon. And this is it. I mean, there are people here tonight. This is the last time and the only time I'll ever see them. They'll ever see me. And, you know, this is what matters. This is these people. 12,000 people is what matters. Or every week when I talk to Angie Austin, the people in your audience, for these few minutes, good, bad, or ugly, this is the best I got. And I bring it every time because you never know when you're going to have that. And somebody out there is hanging, and they're trying to decide if their dreams can come true, and does this stuff really work. You know, that's why, you know, we all got to find something that matters that much to it and give it your best every time. Your best is good enough, but make sure it's your best.
SPEAKER 08 :
Did he say anything else that stuck out to you? He's been gone a long time. He died in 2001, but I knew exactly who you were talking about. He's an Oscar winner and, you know, obviously very, I mean, one of the top all-time actors. I think he won for Save the Tiger. I've never seen that one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Yeah, and China Syndrome, he won an Academy Award.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, that's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, he was an amazing, amazing actor. And he started out on Broadway, and he and Walter Matthau did so many movies together. They did The Grumpy Old Men and stuff. And I remember, you know, but he said that he never had more fun than doing The Odd Couple on Broadway with Walter. And he said, but the fun show was the Sunday afternoon show because he said, I was Felix, he was Oscar. until sunday afternoon we would switch parts and nobody knew and we would do the other part and he said it was just so much fun we always look forward to that one and and he said walter lived to make me laugh he was always helping you you know in the middle of the broadway show doing the odd couple he's going to make me laugh and he was so dedicated to that all the time and uh yeah he was he was uh and then and then he said walter was totally insane i got to interview him too but he said Walter, you know, he said, I hadn't seen Walter Matthau in two years. We just hadn't worked together. And then he said it was Saturday morning, really early, 7.38 in the morning. And he said the maid wasn't there and there was nobody. The doorbell rings. And he said, I couldn't figure out, how is the doorbell ringing? He said, I have a gate out front. How does somebody ring my doorbell? So he said, I get in my bathrobe and I go down there. And there's Walter Matthau standing there in his pajamas with a cup of coffee. And he doesn't say hello or anything. He says, you got any cream, Jack? And he said, that's Walter. And he would just do stuff like that to try to make me laugh. And he said, I don't know how he got there. There wasn't a car. There wasn't anything. And then we had a cup of coffee and he left. And he said, that was Walter. He said the man was absolutely insane.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's hilarious. Yes. Now, Michael, who directed The Ultimate Gift, that was your most popular movie, your very first movie. Now you're doing your ninth. How come you haven't worked with him again? Have you had a chance to work with him again? Have you done other big projects?
SPEAKER 04 :
We finished that project, and he was off doing something else. And Michael Landon Jr. did the sequel to the film. And then we brought in Raquel Welch to make the third film in the trilogy. And she had a director she wanted to work with. And it worked out really, really good. And then, you know, it's just, yeah, Michael and I were sitting here talking, you know, maybe we should do another film together. I think we probably will. But it's just, you know, everybody's schedule has got to be clear at the same time because, you know, making a movie is a year out of your life. And, you know, everybody's time has got to coordinate or you've got to go find somebody else.
SPEAKER 08 :
I love it. I think he said this, that I couldn't do it. I don't think I could do a film that's against my world view. That's pretty cool. That seems like someone you would work with.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Michael can't do that. And the thing I'll always remember about him in that movie, we had Abigail Breslin when she was eight years old, and she had just got nominated for the Academy Award for Little Miss Sunshine, and she came to our movie. And what a gifted actress. But she's eight years old. And Michael would take time with her, and she was fearless. She's standing around with James Garner and Brian Denny and Lee Merriweather and all these people, and Michael was discussing the next scene. And she would say, now, Michael, I have a thought here. And she's talking like a little – I mean, I told her, I said, tell the truth. You're a midget in a kid's suit, right? I mean, don't give me this. And she was just the most amazing thing. But to see her work with him – was such a delight. I mean, it takes a lot of talent to pull that out of a kid like that. And then to work with all these big stars and not be intimidated by them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I'm looking forward to, I'll keep my eye out for his documentary about faith and football regarding the Green Bay Packers. I take it that Michael is a Christian. It sounds like he is from his interviews.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, he is. And in his case, being a person of faith It's not what he does. It's who he is. I mean, you don't have to. He didn't tell anybody. He didn't make a big deal out of it. It's just like totally obvious to everybody.
SPEAKER 08 :
I love that. And then when's your ninth movie coming out? What's going on with your next movie?
SPEAKER 04 :
It will probably be out next year. That movie is Will to Win. And then I have two others that have been optioned. um coach for life and then that travels with steinbeck and uh coach for life the book will be out this summer but it's already been optioned and then and then the steinbeck book will be out early 26 and it's been optioned for a movie so you know you got to be insane to do one to do three movies at the same time and and in a show every week with angie then you know you've arrived and who's what's uh who is uh the top the subject of coach for life It is a novel. It's a fiction I wrote about a coach that lives in this little tiny town for 50 years, and he coaches football, basketball, and baseball. And when he dies at age 80, that's the opening of the book and the movie. And then all these people, governors and world leaders and billionaires and athletes and entertainers, that he coached way back in the day when they were little kids. They come back and say what he did for them. And the whole thing is our legacy is that which we leave behind in other people, and it's just a great story about that thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, I love it. All right, jimstovall.com. Thank you, friend.
SPEAKER 04 :
Be well, Angie.
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Hey, friend, if you're just joining us, this is Angie Austin with the good news. And today we are talking heart health. Joining us is Dr. Pyle Coley. Dr. Coley is a board certified cardiologist currently practicing at Cherry Creek Heart in Denver, right here in Colorado. And heart patient, John. John is a patient who has returned to his active lifestyle and his path. Thank you for having us, Nancy. Yeah, we appreciate that. You are welcome. Well, Doc, I'll start with you. We're talking about something specific regarding the heart, symptomatic OHCM. Please explain this to us and how it impacts people like John.
SPEAKER 06 :
So, Angie, symptomatic obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is actually a condition that's called the great masquerader because it's often missed both by patients and by doctors. In fact, there are data that tell us that 80% of cases are undiagnosed or underdiagnosed. And so it's a genetic condition and it affects the way the heart looks and the way the heart behaves. So if you think about the heart, it's a pump that's pumping blood to our body all day and all night long. And in symptomatic obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, the heart is stiff. So instead of being like a water balloon, it's like a lead balloon. It doesn't fill normally with blood. And then the blood doesn't leave the heart normally. So normally the blood leaves through a hallway. And in hypertrophic cardiomyopathy with obstruction, that hallway is thickened and narrowed. So the blood has trouble getting out, essentially. And you can imagine when you're exercising and being active, the heart is beating harder and faster. The blood needs to get to the organs more. And if it doesn't, you can start to have symptoms. So if it's not getting to your brain, you can feel lightheaded, dizzy or faint. like you're going to pass out. If it's not getting to your heart and lungs, you can feel short of breath and have chest tightness and have palpitations. So it's really important to raise awareness of this condition. And that's why John and I are here today and working with Bristol Myers Squibb, because we really want people to be plugged into their symptoms and to understand not to blow off symptoms, because some days are better and some days are worse with this condition. And I don't want people to say I'm just getting older or just getting out of shape or dial back what they're doing as a way to accommodate, essentially make up for the fact that the blood's not doing what it's supposed to.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. So let's talk about those symptoms. And, you know, John, I understand you were into tennis and then pickleball. And can you talk about the symptoms that you experienced and how that was holding you back from what you wanted to do with your life?
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Like so many people, I think, you know, I really value being an active person and exercise has been a big part of that. I played college tennis back in the day and really appreciate an active lifestyle. It's interesting to side note, both my two older brothers and I were misdiagnosed with heart murmurs when we were in our 20s, and all three of us would later be diagnosed with this disease, OHCM. My symptoms actually started in my mid-50s when I started feeling dizzy during workouts, and these symptoms continued to get sort of worse, and I also experienced shortness of breath. These things became so difficult and so overwhelming that I couldn't go on a simple walk without needing to constantly stop and catch my breath. A few years ago, I switched from tennis to pickleball, thinking it would be easier. But even then, I struggled to finish a match. These symptoms continued to interfere with some of the things that I really valued, and that is my ability to stay active. So about three years ago, I saw another cardiologist, and that's when I was diagnosed with OHCM.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. So let's talk about then, Doc, and I'll start with you, but, John, you can join in as well. So this is holding him back from his lifestyle. Like you said, Doc, you don't want to just ignore this and say, oh, I'm getting older. So how can it be treated and the lifestyle be improved for the patient? Sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, thankfully we do have some good tools in our toolbox. So certainly surgery is an option. We don't start there just because it's more dramatic and we sort of start people on medications. But the surgical option is to actually cut out part of that hallway to allow more space for the blood to leave the heart. But there's also medical options. And where we usually start is a medication called a beta blocker, which... reduces the heart rate. So it allows more time for that blood to leave the heart. And if somebody is, you know, still having symptoms on that, then we can reach for other medications like Camzias or Mavacampin, which is a medication for obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy that decreases the force with which the heart squeezes. So one of the problems in this condition is the heart is squeezing really hard. It's trying really hard to push against that obstruction. And that actually makes the problem worse because it kind of collapses on itself and it causes the hallway to sort of be sucked closed when it's squeezing. So by reducing the force with which the heart is squeezing, you kind of give it a little bit of a break and allow the blood to leave the heart a little bit better open. And the patients that I've treated with Mavacampton, I've seen a dramatic improvement in their symptoms, and they're able to sort of dial back that level of activity and get back to the things that they love. But you can imagine, Angie, for reducing the force with which the heart squeezes, we have to watch the heart carefully because you don't want the heart to get too weak. And that's why any patient taking Camzives or Mavacampton actually needs echocardiograms or ultrasounds of their heart on a regular basis in order to monitor how the heart is functioning.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. So let's talk about then, John, you know, you're pulling back from your lifestyle and then you get treatment. Talk about the treatment and returning back to, you know, your activities. Talk about, you know, your life's journey with that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. So I started with a beta blocker like so many other patients, it seems, but I was still having symptoms. And then my doctor did tell me about this medication called Camxios to treat symptomatic OHCM. And After a few months, I took Camxios, and I really noticed a difference in my symptoms. I was delighted that I could play pickleball again, and even my friends noticed a big difference in my stamina. Today, my symptoms, such as shortness of breath and feeling faint, are much better. After working closely with my doctor and my medical team, they're allowing me to play amateur pickleball tournaments in Florida and here in Wisconsin. And that's important to me because I thought I may never be able to participate in these activities again.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. And in Wisconsin in the summer, I mean, come on, it doesn't get any better than that for weather to get outside and play pickleball.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Absolutely. You know, last year, the summer happened on a Tuesday, but no, seriously, we had... We have nice summers here in Wisconsin, but they are short, and you're absolutely right. I'm so thankful that I can get out and, you know, appreciate an active lifestyle once again.
SPEAKER 08 :
I love that. I love that, you know, that you shared your story with us. And, Doc, besides living up there in Minnesota and Wisconsin, I actually have been in Denver for a very long time, so we're lucky to have someone like you. I was a little bit blown away because I don't know that I've ever interviewed someone that has five board certifications. You went to Harvard. You went to MIT. You're an associate adjunct professor of cardiology at both Duke and Johns Hopkins. I mean, you're associated with four of the top universities in the world. I mean, that's pretty cool.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you, Angie. I appreciate that. I love being a Denver native and I work on Nine News. Actually, I'm their medical expert as well. So I live here with our beautiful weather.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, that's awesome. What gave you a passion for doing this? I'm always interested. You know, I've done news all over the country. And I love to ask people, you know, how they got into their area of expertise. How did you get what gave you a passion for this kind of work?
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, I love being a cardiologist because there's a range of diseases from prevention all the way to ICU care. But really, education is my passion. because I feel that knowledge is power, and I feel that if you change one small action in somebody's life, you can change the trajectory of their entire life. And so for me, educating people about their health is one of the greatest privileges of all time, and being able to work on the news to have that sort of platform to help empower people, because a lot of diseases, as we're learning, are not just preventable, but if they're diagnosed early, they're highly treatable, and the prognosis of the disease can be changed immediately. if you teach people what they're supposed to look for. So I'm just really privileged to be in a position where I can help people understand their bodies and their health and understand how to take control of their outcomes.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I like what you said, too, in the beginning when you just said, you know, a lot of us are starting to have symptoms of something or feel different, and we just chalk it up to, you know, we're getting older or whatever. And I think about my father, and he was having heart attacks or heart issues, and he was telling my mom, my stepmom, who's from Iran, you know, you cannot call the ambulance. And she was like, this is Bull Bryce. I am calling 911. And so she just told him, I refuse to let you die. And he just would always say, you know, I wasn't going to, I would have died, but she would refuse to let me just ignore these symptoms that he had been ignoring for years. And then through the two heart surgeries he had, he lived many more years because she would not allow him to ignore it. And I think maybe men in particular, but many of us as we're getting older, just want to shut our eyes to the symptoms. So I like that you say Don't chalk it up to getting older. Go in and get some expert advice.
SPEAKER 06 :
So true. So true.
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All right, so where do we go for more info?
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So I would say talk to your doctor. Of course, there's always a great resource, but also camguys.com has a wealth of information about obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, about its symptoms, about its diagnosis, and about its treatment. And even though I told you it was a genetic condition, it doesn't mean you have to have a family member who has tested positive in order to get the condition because a lot of patients can get what's called spontaneous mutations. The gene just kind of misbehaves on its own. And so even without having a strong family history, you can have the disease. And it's really a disease that doesn't discriminate. You know, it affects men, women, different races, different ethnicities. So I really want people to be plugged into it so that if they're looking for it, then we can be smarter than the great masquerader, as the disease is called, and make sure that we don't let it get the best of us.
SPEAKER 08 :
Great. Thanks, John. And thanks, Dr. Coley. Appreciate your expertise.
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Thank you so much for having us.
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You bet. That was a great interview. Always love talking about health on The Good News. We've covered the heart. Now let's move on to vaccination. So do you know 1.4 million Americans go to the emergency room with pneumonia? and 40,000 die from this vaccine-preventable disease each year. So today we're talking about preventative vaccines and how they can help us. Joining us is an expert in the area, Bob Blancato. He's the executive director of the National Association of Nutrition and Aging Services Programs. Welcome, Bob. All right, Bob. So why is pneumococcal disease a serious threat to adults? Explain that to us.
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Most of us, a common bacterial infection that causes mild complications, but for some people, it can lead to very serious illnesses like pneumonia. And we know in this country that we're 1.4 million hospital visits are resulting from pneumonia and up to 40,000 deaths occur. So this is a very serious issue that we want to address today through talking about vaccines.
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All right. What should adults know about current vaccine recommendations?
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Well, mostly good things to talk about. One is the Centers for Disease Control late last year now recommends pneumococcal vaccines for all adults age 50 and over, not just people 65 and over. Pneumococcal vaccines can be administered with other vaccines such as shingles, flu or RSV vaccines at the same time during a health care visit. And Medicare, Medicaid, and most insurance cover the cost of pneumococcal vaccines, and they can be given at any time of the year. And so having all these options make it clear that people can pursue these vaccines and should do so as quickly as possible.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, Bob, let's talk about why vaccines are an important part of preventative care to help all adults stay healthy.
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Well, first of all, you know, getting vaccinated can shorten should you actually have to go to a hospital can shorten your hospital stay considerably. But it could probably avert the hospital stay to begin with. And, you know, it also helps to reduce other medical costs that, you know, compared if you didn't get vaccinated. And the idea is that you should not wait until you have some of the symptoms that could lead to pneumonia. The opportunity is available all year long to get the vaccine. And if you have any doubt, get the vaccine and then be comfortable knowing that you have been vaccinated and you have less chance of contracting pneumococcal disease.
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All right. What else should adults 50 plus know about steps that they can take to protect their health?
SPEAKER 01 :
The answer is all about prevention. Let's start with the vaccines. Keeping up with your recommended vaccines like pneumococcal and shingles and making sure you're on track with recommended screenings. You know, we know that by age 50, all women should have had a breast cancer screening and all adults should have been screened for colorectal cancer. Preventative care, it's all the critical issue, like regular checkups and screenings can catch health issues early when they're easier and cheaper to treat and manage. And vaccines and screenings aren't just about avoiding illness. They're about protecting your independence and staying active. We need to make sure that people are aware of the vaccine policies that we have and the ability to get as many vaccines as possible without cost being incurred to the individual.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, great information today, Bob Blancato. Thank you so much for joining us. Where can we go to learn more?
SPEAKER 01 :
I'll give you two locations. NANAS, National Association of Nutrition and Aging Service Programs, www.nanas.org slash vaccines. or the CDC site, the Centers for Disease Control site, cdc.gov slash pneumococcal.
SPEAKER 08 :
Excellent. Again, thank you, Bob, for joining us on The Good News with Angie Austin. Have a great day. Thank you very much.
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Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
In this insightful episode, Bill Gunderson shares his expert analysis on the current state of the investment industry, highlighting emerging opportunities in defense and aerospace sectors. With a focus on innovation, Gunderson discusses the strategic shifts required for modern investing, from understanding the market implications of the Trump tax bill to identifying next-gen market leaders like NVIDIA and Uber.
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He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gunderson Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gunderson.
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And welcome to the Wednesday, May 21st edition of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management, a nationwide fee-based only firm. And speaking of nationwide, we are in Cleveland for another day today. Having a really, really good time here. A lot of good folks here in this part of America, as there are all across America. We meet a lot of really good people. I really like getting out of the office once in a while and meeting face-to-face with the folks. Well, we had a little bit of a down day in the market yesterday. Dow was down 115 points. The NASDAQ was down 0.5%. That ended that six-day win streak that we had. Let's not forget that the market has now gone positive for the year after that 4,800 close that we had back on March 8th of this year. And here we are clear back almost to 6,000. And we do have a down day going on here today. with the Dow down mostly on UnitedHealthcare. Man, that has really become a troubled company as they have more issues. Another investigation taking place. The Dow's down 324. The NASDAQ is down 34 right now. NASDAQ doing a lot better than the Dow. I think UnitedHealthcare's down over 5% today. The S&P 500 is down 22 points. It also has UnitedHealthcare in it. That's influencing it heavily. The small caps are down 1%. Why? Interest rates are going up. We had that downgrade by Moody's. They were rather moody last Friday after the close and downgraded U.S. debt. And that has sent interest rates up to 4.54%. It's also helping gold. Gold has resumed its rally. And Bitcoin is hitting an all-time high today, believe it or not, closing in on $107,000. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. 25 years of radio and being a professional money manager. Hopefully I can have a few nuggets of knowledge and wisdom to share with you from my experience in the market. I did teach a workshop last night here in the Cleveland area. We had a really nice crowd last night to see the workshop. And I kind of went over a little bit the current state of the industry that I'm in. I don't think the current state of the industry I'm in is very good. I think that it specializes in mediocrity from my point of view. And, you know, they've really steered and have continued to focus on these big, soggy stocks that have not done much over the last 10 years, the Dow-type stocks. Or you've got the asset allocation model, which is based on your age. Those are the two predominant methodologies that are deployed by the advisors at some of the bigger firms out there and at a lot of the smaller firms. That just seems to be the easy way out, the easy way to go, the easy way to manage money. I personally don't care for either one of those. And I know Scott Besson, our Treasury Secretary, was not a fan of asset allocation, and I'm sure that he tried to find disruptors out there in the industry that are stocks of today and not stocks of yesteryear, which is my definition of a soggy stock, a stodgy old growth giant of yesteryear. AT&T immediately comes to mind. Kimberly-Clark immediately comes to mind. Kraft-Hines immediately comes to mind. You know, they're good companies. I mean, they have dominant brands and whatnot. But as far as investing in them, when you have a limited amount of space in your portfolio to put stocks, to put players on your roster, why do you want to take up space in your portfolio that you need to grow with companies that aren't growing? Without growth, you're not going to get that capital appreciation that you need in a growth portfolio. So it seems to me it's pretty hard to call a growth portfolio a growth portfolio when you have a bunch of non-growth companies in it. It's not their fault. I mean, they've been around a long time. These companies, they've maxed out their market share. They really have nowhere else to go. I saw Kraft Heinz today announcing that they're looking for strategic alternatives to unlock value from their stock. But, you know, how do you grow the Kraft cheese brand? How do you grow Heinz ketchup? How do you grow some of the other brands that they have when the world is saturated with their products? So it becomes kind of a mathematical problem. Well, we snapped six straight sessions of gains yesterday. which, you know what, nobody would have ever thought back on March the 8th when the S&P hit 4,800 and it looked like the tariff war was going to bring the market to its knees. Well, a lot of that was because of irrational headlines trying to scare people and I think trying to make the current administration look bad whether you like them or not. And a lot of tactics used out there today by both sides, and the investors were caught in the middle, and you have some panic selling today. And it was irrational selling. And I came to that conclusion on that day when it hit $4,800 that eventually this thing was going to turn around. This was unwarranted selling. And now here we are back near $6,000. Well, there's still a lot of unknowns. There's still a lot of things to be worked out. We take it a day at a time. We take it a stock at a time, a sector at a time, an earnings report at a time, and an economic report one at a time. Now we've got our attention on this big tax bill that Trump is trying to get through, along with a lot of other things that are in that tax bill. But the main item there would be to extend the tax cuts that came in his first term. they are due to expire and uh... they definitely want to keep those tax cuts in place keep taxes low uh... keep government lean as much as they can uh... and try to keep uh... you know be a little bit more have a little bit more efficiency in government and it does look like it is headed in a pretty good direction that big tax bill that would take some uncertainty off the table the market doesn't like uncertainty And the more uncertainty that you have out there, the more nervous the market is. Another issue we have with the market right now, after this torrid run in the market, let's not forget, we've had a torrid run. To go from 4,800 to 6,000, that's over a 20% run in the market here in the last two months, or not even quite two months. Well, now you're getting up to the loftier P.E. ratio. We're at a forward P.E. of 22 on the S&P 500. when the long-term average is more in that 18 to 20 area. And we're at the end of earnings season, and there's always a little bit of a lull after earnings season. You know, the market needs catalysts to keep driving it higher, or the lack of catalysts, you can get a market drifting lower. That's what I'm seeing a little bit right now. But I'm still seeing plenty of good stocks out there. I went over several last night at the workshop. I highlighted, I featured some stocks. I showed the folks how I separate the wheat from the chaff out there in the stock market out of 5,300 stocks in my Best Stocks Now app. I narrow it down to the top 10% or so. That means 90% of the market at any given time is a big old load of mediocrity. And why do you want to even concentrate on the mediocre? You want to go where the fish are biting, right, and where the action is and where the growth is and where the innovation is and where the new products are. And that's the focus. You know, everybody said, well, I wish I had found Microsoft 25 years ago. Well, there's Microsofts today that are in the early innings. of their cycle as a publicly traded company, whereas a lot of other companies are at the tail end of their cycle as a publicly traded company, and then you start to enter into that large cap, single-digit growth, dividend-paying stock, where you get mediocre returns because stocks follow earnings. And when earnings stop growing, the stock stops going up. And the same is true for the stock market, which I illustrated last night. Earnings for the S&P 500 have been going up since 2009. The market's been following. That will eventually come to an end. That's why earnings, earnings, earnings are key to the market. We'll be right back. And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Stocks Now show. I added a new ETF to my Best Stocks Now app this morning that I wanted to bring to your attention. You know, there are so many. It's hard to keep track of all the new ETFs and how many there are. And, I mean, it's become a massive industry. And, you know, if you still own mutual funds, mutual funds really are a dying industry. as the world has gone and moved towards ETFs that have lower fees, and they trade throughout the day, which a mutual fund does not. And really, if you have a portfolio of mutual funds, you're pretty behind the times in today's world. Mutual fund companies are seeing massive outflows of money today, But anyways, there's some pretty innovative ETF companies out there. I learned about ProShares a long time. I was probably one of the first investment advisors out there to use some inverse funds from time to time. I knew about ProShares in the early 2000s. We were recently invited by two ETF companies. First, I went in January to help ring the closing bell for the NASDAQ that day, and that was our friends where they have the single... The single stock ETFs, which is an unusual idea. It kind of goes against the, sounds like an oxymoron to have a single stock ETF. But there's definitely a use for those, especially in hedging a big position you might have. And then, of course, Barry and Jeff went as guests of ProShares to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the largest, the best-performing ETF over the last 15 years, which is the NASDAQ triple, triple NASDAQ. Now, what is the top ETF this year? As far as performance, it is a non-leveraged. Well, it's one that I'd never heard of, but I got an email today or yesterday from Tuttle, Matt Tuttle. He came up with the SARK, S-A-R-K, which is opposite Cathie Woods. I've used that several times off and on. But believe it or not, the European Aerospace and Defense ETF, has surged 55% this year, making it the best performing non-leveraged U.S. listed ETF so far this year. And there's an article on ETF.com about it. Why would the European Aerospace and Defense ETF? Well, it has to do with NATO. And it has to do with the new administration saying, you know what, you're going to have to kick in a lot more towards your own defense. We're not going to foot the bill like we have been doing in the past. And so a lot of stocks over in Europe, which are hard to trade. I mean, it's hard to trade Rheinmetall in Germany because it trades on the bulletin boards here in the U.S., And then you get into some of the smaller defense stocks in France and in Germany and in other countries in Europe. They're very difficult to trade on the U.S. stock exchanges at Schwab or Robinhood or Interactive Brokers. But through an ETF, you can get exposure to all these because they have access to those stocks. So I added E-U-A-D. That's European Aerospace and Defense ETF to my app this morning. And I wouldn't be surprised to see it at or near the top of the heap when we have enough stats on the ETF to be able to rank it. We need performance numbers mostly. And it has been around long enough now I'm sure that it has ample performance numbers that we can calculate a momentum grade and definitely a performance grade and maybe an overall ranking. And I wouldn't be surprised to see it very highly ranked once we have that. EUAD is the symbol of this ETF. It already has $700 million in it. You know, ETFs, that's a competitive industry. And if you just go out and say, I'm going to create an ETF, like I say, it's a competitive industry. And you need at least $50 million in there, maybe $100 million to break even. This thing's at $670 million already. So congratulations to Tuttle and their stocks, ETFs, for coming up with this one. Okay, six straight days of gains. Now we've got in focus the Trump tax bill. We've got a G7 meeting coming up in mid-June. The seven biggest economies in the world get together. It's going to be in Canada. And, of course, I spent a big chunk of yesterday's shows giving you updates on all of the trade negotiations that are taking place in Japan. India, China, the European Union. We haven't heard anything at all from Mexico or Canada recently, but Korea, you've got Southeast Asia with Vietnam, etc. Still a lot of important countries. Important trade packages being worked out with one another. And it still seems to me that gold has been the best hedge. Gold has been the most consistent performing asset class here in 2025. And, of course, Bitcoin hit a new all-time high yesterday at 107,000, almost 107,000. It struggled for a long time after that initial Trump bump after he was elected. And now it's back up and hitting a new all-time high today. You do have a crypto-friendly administration in place that can't hurt it. Another reason that gold is seeing some good action, it had a good day again yesterday. We do have exposure to gold in our portfolios. That's pretty unusual for us. Gold over the long haul has not been a very good performing commodity, but in this environment we're in, there's a lot of reasons why gold is a good place to have some of your portfolio at this current time, mostly as a hedge. But here's the one that worries me the most. Reports of Israel prepping an Iran strike. Now, are they just jawboning and talking? trying to get Iran to the bargaining table, a nuclear Iran would not be a good thing. And Trump has said it many times, Iran is not going to have. a nuclear bomb but missile bomb whatever having said that they refuse to give up there uh... enrichment program for uranium so something has to give and uh... there are reports out there that israel is getting ready to attend now why do i bring something like this up Well, it could be a big, big deal, especially disrupting economies and stock markets and everything else all over the world. Part of my job is also to watch out for the what-ifs out there. And this definitely is a big what-if. On the other hand... There's some companies involved in Trump's vision for the Golden Dome missile defense that would protect us against such a strike. Who are the companies involved? We'll be right back. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services, call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show. Thank you. And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Docs Now show. We all know that Israel has their Iron Dome. And I can still remember not that long ago watching on a Sunday evening on live news as that swarm of missiles and drones launched by Iran towards Israel and how the Iron Dome intercepted all of them. I think only one got through and did a little bit of damage. And, of course, Trump is proposing a similar system for a much larger mass of area. Therefore, it would cost a lot more than Israel's system. He wants to call it the Golden Dome and protecting us from... nuclear attacks, ballistic missiles, hypersonic missiles, the swarm of drones, etc., which is a real threat. This is a new ambitious plan to protect the United States from foreign attacks building on the newly established space force that was formed during his first term in office. And if you remember, Ronald Reagan had a similar idea called, I think they nicknamed it Star Wars. And the problem is the technology wasn't there at that point in time. Now we have the technology through satellites, radio, software, semiconductors, all kinds of different things to bring together a sensor and communications network that could detect threats much earlier and take out enemy missiles with space-based interceptors. Space-based interceptors. Imagine within seconds of a missile being launched at us, launched towards us to be taken out by our own defense system. Now, the cost for such a system? Well, right now, Trump's vision is priced at $175 billion. He formally introduced this yesterday and for the first time would incorporate U.S. weaponry in space. And Trump says that the system could be fully operational by the end of his second term, his second and last term in January of 2029, with capabilities that could intercept missiles, even if they are launched from space. This is a major turn in our defense system, but this is where the weaponry is too bad. I mean, war is a real thing. And we have to be prepared for the worst case scenario. At the end of the day, I mean, over the next 10 years, I mean, this could cost up to a trillion dollars as rising threats. Emerging missile technologies from adversaries like China and Russia could overwhelm existing U.S. missile defense systems. All right. Now, some of the companies. That would be involved, or potentially. None are involved yet in it, but there are some players that would be logical choices, and there are some that have come forward saying that we want to be a part of this. Start with Lockheed Martin, LMT. They announced their readiness to support the Golden Dome project. Maybe Tuttle should come up with an ETF. Golden Dome. Call it GLDN or something like that. He's got the European Defense ETF. How about one that would invest in these companies that are going to be a part of this? Well, if we look at Lockheed Martin, it has not been a very good stock, but they definitely have the technology capability to be a part of this. The stock has not really reacted much yet to any of this announcement. Another potential big player... and he's sitting in a pretty good spot with his relationship with Trump would be SpaceX how many times have you heard Trump talk about those those booster rockets returning to the launching pad and the launching pad catching them and putting them back into the launching pad that's pretty remarkable uh... the things that Musk has pulled off of course SpaceX is not a publicly traded company but He is emerging as a frontrunner to insist in developing the Golden Dome missile defense systems. That's the satellites themselves. I mean, how many satellites are up there? I want to say 30,000 that Musk has put up into space. for his uh... internet his starlink linking all internet all over the world bringing it in from these satellites in space that technology has come a long ways i use uh... i use it at my home as a backup just in case uh... and i use it for other purposes it works great uh... the starlink palantir would be collaborating with space x And with defense company Endural, which was featured on 60 Minutes recently, about how artificial intelligence and other things that have been developed, the high-speed chips, etc. Palantir and defense company Endural are there to build crucial components of the system. The plan includes launching 400 to more than 1,000 satellites for tracking alongside a separate fleet of 200 attack satellites, potentially armed with missiles or lasers. I had a friend in San Diego. She was a PhD and worked as a civilian. Out there in Point Loma, where I grew up, we have the Naval Electronics Laboratory. where a lot of these phd quantum scientist types i had several of them that went to my church they were uh... they were out there but they were smart guys And she happened to be, her specialty was laser weaponry, lasers from space, which is now becoming a real thing. Another player in all of this could be AV, Aero Environment, which I've talked about many times, A-V-A-V. They are a big government contractor. especially in the drone and different types of defense capabilities. Northrop Grumman could be a player, NOC, General Dynamics, which had a big presence in San Diego, could be another player. So that's something to think about that's going on. in the background, and a lot of money is going to be spent, and there will be a lot of companies that will benefit from this, and hopefully America will benefit from this. UnitedHealth slips after report on nursing home kickbacks. Can it get any worse for United Healthcare? Now, I know there's contrarian investors out there that are licking their chops at this 12 PE company. But, you know, a lot of times it's like Intel. Once you uncover some problems at a company, you find out that there's a lot more problems underneath the surface. And at some point, I mean, until they're all, they need a change of management at UnitedHealthcare. They need to get all of these problems behind them before any kind of a turnaround can ever take place. But on Wednesday, today, the Guardian out of the UK reported that managed care giant, the UnitedHealthcare, secretly paid, secretly, that's not good, that's bribing, secretly paid nursing homes that helped it to win Medicare enrollees and cut hospital transfers for sick patients. This is not good. I mean, this is becoming a very dishonest, underhanded type of practice that this company was involved in in many areas. of the industry. The CEO has resigned, obviously. The shares ended an eight-day losing streak recently, but now it's back in that losing streak. And now you've got a criminal probe against the Minneapolis-based company. NVIDIA praises Trump, says prior curbs on AI chips to China were a failure. Well, I mean, Jensen Wang wants access to China. He says, you know, if we don't provide them with the chips, they're going to come up with their own chip. Huawei is very close to having their own chip. And Trump has backed off of what the Biden-Harris administration put in, the artificial intelligence diffusion, where they could only get lower technology chips. The Trump administration has noted that it would end the AI diffusion rule as part of a broader plan to alter semiconductor trade restrictions. I would just say this you know we talked last night about good stocks in the market along with some soggy stocks in the market and I said I've got to have two things I've got to have performance numbers from the stock and I have to have valuation numbers and I said you know Nvidia still meets both of those criteria is still trading at about 25 or 26 times forward earnings which is not that unreasonable For really what is only the good, the only good semiconductor stock in the whole sector is really NVIDIA at the current time. We'll be right back. And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Docs Now show. You know, one of the hallmarks of great companies is the ability to kind of keep reinventing themselves and keep adding new capabilities and growing with the times and with technology. And that's also not the hallmark of soggy companies they have have the inability to do that i used as an example last night netflix which is still the great company today i mean it started out with an idea instead of running the uh... the the the the video uh... the rule i can't remember the names of these big old tapes that we used to have been and have to return them, and then it went to disk on a Sunday night to avoid the late fee. You know, it all began with the idea of let's mail them. Beta, there was a couple of them. Let's mail them back, okay? And from there, what has Netflix morphed into? A monster. And I see other companies today that are kind of doing that same thing. That's how you got the Fabulous 7, because... They have other things than just their core products. They continue to invent. I mean, look at Tesla and look at Elon Musk and all the irons in the fire that he has. Yesterday he was talking about humanoid robots. He says, everybody's going to want one here pretty soon. We've got to get armed and ready for this. Well, I think NVIDIA is a good example of a company. They made graphics cards for gamers on the computer. And they continue to add different products and get into new things. I would think that they would play a big role even in the Golden Dome here. I think NVIDIA has lots of room to expand into other areas. I think Uber is another company that I'm watching grow. You know, besides just the ride-sharing, which was pretty much a brilliant idea, upended the entire taxi industry. And now you've got Uber Eats. I mean, it's in the restaurant business, delivering fresh, hot restaurant food to your doorstep. And, of course, the robo-taxis. But Uber Freight unveils a scaled AI logistics network. Which will take logistics to the next level. I mean, not only are we headed towards a day, I don't know when, when we'll have driverless trucks delivering goods, but it will be run by a... logistics platform with the latest advancements in it using AI to make it more efficient, to make it cheaper, to optimize the cost, mitigate the disruption, streamline decision-making at a global scale. This is just one of the areas that Uber is getting into and announcing that their latest Uber freight logistics platform is going to bring to market more than 30 ai agents automating execution across the shipment life cycle another big player that continues to grow and add other features uber which is one of the hallmarks of a great company They continue to reinvigorate, reimagine, come up with new ideas. Amazon obviously would be a good example of that. And that's how great companies behave. And they're very few and far between. I mean, you can eliminate 90% of the stock market, the companies in the market. I've tracked 5,300, which leaves about 400 or 500 candidates at any given time that are really superior companies. Here's one that was a superior company, and I see they're on the verge of bankruptcy. At one time... I remember when the LED light came from silicon carbide back in North Carolina by Cree Research. The problem was, you know, it never was a very profitable discovery or business. Now I see that the Durham, North Carolina-based company, they were formed by some guys out of North Carolina State, is planning to file for bankruptcy sometime in the next few weeks. The irony of all of this is in the chips act that Joe Biden passed in 2024, he slated $750 million to go to this failing company as part of the chips act. I don't know if they're ever going to see that money. They were one of the largest producers of silicon carbide technology, which is used in electric vehicles, artificial intelligence data centers, battery storage, and other applications. The problem is it's a very low-end technology. a technology semiconductor, and the company has never really been that profitable, and now they're in trouble. It looks like it could be terminal. And, you know, we were talking, I... I talk about ETFs versus individual stocks. My biggest argument against ETFs, ETFs is like throwing up your hands and saying, you know what, I'm just going to buy all the semiconductor companies. There's got to be a winner in there somewhere. Well, in my book, as I look at the state of the semiconductor industry today, from a stock point of view and an investment point of view, there's only one. maybe two, maybe three at the most out of all the chip companies out there that are good investments and good companies that are on the cutting edge, and that would be Nvidia, maybe Broadcom, and maybe Marvell Technology. Why would I want to buy an ETF that has clogged arteries with 27 mediocre companies, and those three companies in there somewhere in that sausage as the good part of that industry. Barry and I looked at the components of the semiconductor ETF, and we saw what a small percentage of the overall ETF NVIDIA was, even though it is by far smaller the dominant company in the semiconductor industry today okay last but not least Kraft Heinz considering strategic options to unlock value that's a good example of you know a company that is on the other side at one time they were a growth company and now they're a non-growth company they're trying to figure out a way of unlocking value i don't know how you do that in a company that's not really growing anymore still a good product not a good investment though Okay, we're out of time. We have the four-week trial going on with the app. You can peruse the app. You can get the live trades on all the portfolios that I manage via email every day. 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As geopolitical tensions rise, this episode also explores international politics focusing on Iran's alleged advancement in nuclear capabilities. The speculation on Israel's strategic responses adds layers to the already complex international scene. Join John Rush and Andy Pate as they dissect these pressing issues, weaving through discussions about how energy policies have been shaping global politics and what it means for future international relationships.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, of course, and we're trying to get our special guest on with us. Larry Behrens is with us on an occasional basis, so Charlie's trying to get him rounded up. If he makes it, fine. If not, we'll continue on regardless, because that's what we do.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, going on from what we were talking about, unless Larry comes on, quick question. James Carville, Bill Maher, John Fetterman. Explain them to me. Explain what they're going through right now with their party.
SPEAKER 04 :
They are the same thing you and I have been doing in Colorado the past two years when it comes to the complaining of their leadership and the direction their party is headed. Yes. Because they know it's a no-win situation for them if they keep going down that path.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're literally the John and Andes of their party. We can talk more about that once we get done with Larry. But that's a great conversation we can get into in a moment.
SPEAKER 16 :
Larry, welcome.
SPEAKER 04 :
How are you?
SPEAKER 16 :
I'm doing great on this Tuesday. It's Tuesday, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Tuesday. It is Tuesday. Absolutely. Power of the future. Larry, appreciate you very much. You've been here many, many times. And we talked a moment ago. Actually, we were talking to another guest as we were ending the last hour. We were talking about Bernie Sanders and AOC and some things that are going on on the left. But Bernie Sanders, he clapped back to Brett Baier's question about flying private versus commercial as his preferred travel method.
SPEAKER 16 :
uh during his whole you know oligarchy tour i guess you would call it larry absolutely and he is not apologizing and he's never really apologized for it he's done what those mile high marxists like john kerry always just saying i'm more special than the rest of you quit asking questions yeah why does it peons why does it matter leave me alone
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, and he made a good point in that look at my schedule. I've got to hit so many places. If I had to do that with, you know, obviously, if I had to do that with not using private jets, commercial, I wouldn't be able to. I wouldn't be able to make it. But you know what? It's like, hey, you know what? A lot of people are busy. Right. Everybody else is busy, Larry. How come we can't fly in private jets? And if we do, you'll say we're destroying the planet.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and that's just it. Let's be clear. I don't promote anybody flying a private jet. Me neither. But what I do promote... Is you telling me I've got to get rid of my gas stove and my gas-powered car for my way of life? Well, you're doing it, and that's exactly what Bernie has done. He has said for years that there is a climate emergency. In fact, he's been in favor of declaring it a climate emergency. And I don't know if in that declaration, if he were president, that people would be allowed to fly private, but apparently he would. And so it is that massive, it's that Grand Canyon disconnect. between what they say is an emergency and how they're acting. I can tell you when I'm in an emergency, I act much differently than I do if things are just status quo.
SPEAKER 08 :
Larry, you're just an oligarch. Admit it. I am. I am.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's the nicest thing anyone's ever called me. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 04 :
But, you know, what's that old saying? You know, what's best for it's best for the not for me. You know, that's how they justify you not having your own gas stove and gas dryer and things along those lines. And, you know, I do think and we talked about this last hour, Larry. I do think that some of this is starting to backfire on the left, that radicalism and this whole, you know, this whole idea that, well. I can go do it. I can travel private. You shouldn't, though. In fact, you shouldn't even have a gas-powered car. You should have an electric car. You shouldn't be able to do this. You shouldn't be able to do that. I think not all. There's some hardcore lefties that believe in all that nonsense, and they're on Bernie's side. But there's a lot of folks in the middle that are looking at that saying, wait a minute, timeout. This doesn't make any sense. How can it be okay for you, but yet I can't have my gas stove anymore?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and that's just it. And you raise a great point. And I would like to call them out right now. I mean, if there's a Colorado chapter of the Sierra Club or the Natural Resources Defense Council, where the heck are you guys? Where the heck are you guys who constantly tell us, keep it in the ground, the sky is falling, we have no time to act. I mean, you guys are the ones putting the countdown clock saying we should be having kids and every other thing that they're doing. And yet they're awful quiet when their high priest of the climate cult is flying around adding more carbon than the average American family does in half a decade. I mean, Bernie Sanders so far, just so far, has flown so much that is the equivalent of you or I taking an SUV and driving around the world at the equator more than six times. And that's just for this one tour.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. Wow. And you could start stacking up all of the other individuals like Bernie, a lot of the Hollywood actors and actresses and so on to where, you know, they think, you know, the Mark Cubans of the world, even though they'll get on that same bandwagon, you know, and say, well, it's OK for me, but not for thee. But at the end of the day, Larry, you're exactly right. And again, I do think and I could be wrong, but I do think there's a lot of folks out there, voters especially, that are looking some of this saying, wait a minute. You guys are all worried about this climate crisis, and yet you're running around like there isn't one. Is there really one, or is there not one?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and that's just it. If there's an emergency, how come you're not acting like it? I know all your buddies that are showing up for your little tours... and you're a little, I don't really want to be president, but let's act like I'm trying to run for president campaign, they would love to see you on Zoom. I mean, that was good enough for my kids to go to school for over a year. Why isn't it good enough for you to yell at your supporters and talk about the evil excesses of capitalism? And that is just it with my high Marxism. I mean, again, I have not seen the part that is most stunning is not necessarily the hypocrisy. Bernie's always been a raging hypocrite. Good point. Americans are looking at it and saying, oh, that is absolutely hypocritical. What is amazing to me is the absolute stunning silence on the left. The stunning silence that says, you guys are supposed to really care about this, aren't you? You guys are going to raise money for the midterms and say that climate is an important issue? But you're going to keep your mouth shut, right, when the high priest of the climate church is flying around in private jets.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, it's amazing, too. They don't just do it with people. They do it with countries because they don't hold Bernie or AOC to any kind of standards. They also don't hold their beloved China to any kind of standards. I mean, if you want to talk about greenhouse emissions, my goodness. And that's exactly it.
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, China has built more coal plants than any other nation over the past 20-plus years. And when we're talking about President Trump working to unleash red tape, we see the environmental groups here lose their mind. Do you really think the Chinese Communist Party is worried about any environmental assessment study? before they open up another coal plant so that they can beat us in AI, so that they can make more weapons at a potential invasion of Taiwan? No, China is not worried about any of that, but it is just awful convenient that groups here in the United States are trying to stymie our efforts here at unleashing American energy, and it's just awful convenient that that also benefits China. I'm sure there's no money connection there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, no!
SPEAKER 16 :
In the last few years, they've taught us, oh, that's all conspiracy theory talk. And so that is probably the next thing that needs to be investigated, for sure.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, they don't care what happens on that part of the planet, even though we're all saving Mother Earth. Look, it comes down to this, Larry. They hate America. They want Americans to have less happiness. They want us to have less stuff. They want us to have less freedom. They want us to have less because they're angry that we have more and they resent us for it. That's right.
SPEAKER 16 :
I totally agree. And I can take you one step more sinister than that. I mean, imagine for a moment if you are a Chinese Communist Party and you send some money to this company, and then that company sends it to a nonprofit outside the United States, and then that money ends up at a nonprofit in the United States, and you're protesting some pipeline. You're protesting some oil rigs getting started. You're protesting some coal plant. And lo and behold, who does that benefit? That benefits the people who exchanged money five hands ago because they know that if we don't embrace our energy, we are weaker for it.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's exactly right. Larry, how do folks find you, sir? They can hang out at PowerOfTheFuture.com.
SPEAKER 16 :
Always appreciate talking with you guys.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, really quick, I should throw this in, and this is probably a deeper topic we can get into. We'll do this here probably in, oh, I don't know, in a day or two, kind of see how things pan out. There are rumors floating around now how CNN would have this and nobody else would, that Israel is gearing up to target Iran's nuclear facilities and basically take them out.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, those rumors have circulated for quite some time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
But that doesn't mean they're not about to. You never know. Look, they need to because Iran is trying to drag out the negotiation process. Look, look at it from their point of view for just a moment. If you're Iran... Having a nuke gives you immense leverage.
SPEAKER 04 :
It changes everything, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
You're now a superpower.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, because once you have a nuke, you have a lot of nukes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. And they're also trying to develop the capacity to deliver those nukes. Right, to launch them.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And so, look, from their point of view... to give up their nuclear program would be very, very foolish in a lot of ways. I still think on balance it's the wise thing to do because they could have a prosperous, wonderful nation.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they don't want that.
SPEAKER 08 :
But they don't want that.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they want to destroy the Jews. And anybody else that gets in their way, Andy. Right. Right. They want to kill the Jews. Well, and let's not forget that even inside of Muslim countries, for example, they and, for example, Saudi Arabia don't really see eye to eye. No, they do not. Believe it or not, even though they're Arab nations, they don't like one another.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. There are different, let's say, sects and levels of Islam. Correct. Okay. I mean, the Arabs... They want to make money. Well, it's kind of like, think of it this way.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, they seem to worship money more than anything. It's not so much this way anymore, but at one time, Ireland, for example, there was a big rift between Catholics and Protestants. Right. Even though both quote-unquote believers, very different in the way they looked at things in regards to that belief. Same thing happens inside of the Muslim world. Very much the same, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Very much the same. And obviously the 9-11 terrorists, the Saudis for the most part. So this is no absolute thing, but that was then, this is now, and let's face it, the world sponsor of terror is Iran. Right. Okay. And that's who we're dealing with.
SPEAKER 04 :
So really quick, it kind of makes you wonder.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
And there's more to the tour that Trump just did than just that end of things. But you've got to also wonder if behind closed doors there wasn't some, hey, guess what, guys? If, in fact, this happens. Just know that there's a reason for it, and I think you guys would all agree, we can't let, especially Saudi Arabia, we can't let them have nukes. So the reality is they're not agreeing to slow anything down. We may very well have to take some action even through Israel. We're not going to claim any of this, but at the end of the day, the reality is we've got to get something done to stop this. You guys can't do it directly. We can't do it directly. Israel can. We can let them be the fall guy, but at the end of the day, we need nothing else happening if that, in fact, does happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, all Israel needs is for us to protect them after they do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. But here's the big thing, though. Anyway, do you think that could be some of those conversations that went on?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, but I want to add one. Okay. I believe that Trump is frustrated. He's frustrated that Iran is trying to drag this out for obvious reasons. So what does he do? He says, I want Israel to make a statement or let it out that they're getting ready to go in.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can't disagree with that. That's leverage. I can't disagree with that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Donald Trump, everything is about leverage. Always. He always thinks about leverage.
SPEAKER 04 :
He is the anti-George Bush. Can you do something for me here?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, B.B.?
SPEAKER 04 :
I need something from you. B.B., buddy. Yeah, can you do this for me?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
And, of course, he's like, yeah, in a heartbeat.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, just leak it out. Leak it out that you're ready to go in, you're ready to take them out. Okay? Which we've already known forever, but leak it out that it's imminent. Why leverage?
SPEAKER 04 :
Because you got to get this thing shut down. And keep in mind, folks, those of you that are on the left, this wouldn't be going on if Obama and Biden hadn't allowed Iran to do what Iran does. Trump left him broke. You had eight years of Obama. You had four years of Biden. They've had four years under Biden to rebuild some things that frankly shouldn't have ever been allowed to be rebuilt in the first place.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I saw a Democrat on, I think it was on Fox, blaming Trump and saying, look at how close Iran is now to a nuclear weapon. What? She was serious.
SPEAKER 04 :
Did that all happen in five months, Andy? Yeah, I'm like, did you see the last four years? Well, first of all, do you not understand how this works? You can't do this in four to five months. These are things that take a long time to get things rolling along. I'm not a nuclear engineer by any means, Andy, but I realize that it doesn't happen overnight.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I also realize you can't do it when you're broke. And Trump left them broke.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that's true, too.
SPEAKER 08 :
Four and a half years ago, Biden opened things up again, opened up the spigot. Now they've got the money.
SPEAKER 04 :
One other thing along those lines, too, that makes you wonder, is there more at play here than what we're all being told? OPEC didn't need to raise production on a daily basis like they did, unless something's going to happen where you knock out about 2 million barrels a day, which is about what Iran produces. Follow me? Yeah, I do. That'd be interesting. So is there a reason for some of what they did along those lines?
SPEAKER 08 :
So they're jumping theirs up in expectation that we are going to knock out Iran.
SPEAKER 04 :
That there may be something going on there. It's possible. Because otherwise, why do it?
SPEAKER 08 :
OPEC was also, let's face it, also doing a favor for America because we want Russia to get poor again.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's true, too. There could be several things at play here.
SPEAKER 08 :
By the way, what about the Russian war machine? I mean, they've got to be going broke right now with oil being where it is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, because they just took a bunch of money out of their pocket. Oh. A ton of money out of their pocket. That's all their money. Right. That's all it comes from for the most part.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. So the Russian war machine, you know, these people are saying, well, Putin, now he's willing to negotiate maybe, and now he says he won't. Look, folks, he's getting more and more willing to negotiate because of oil.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, the pocketbook's less.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
There's less funding. There's less money there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. You've got to fund this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. It's a war machine. Yeah, these things don't happen for free, as we all know.
SPEAKER 08 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would hope people would know that. You don't put troops out. You don't put bombs out. You don't put ammunition out. You don't put troop carriers and tanks and all the other things that they're using on a daily basis, airplanes and so on. And you don't do all of that for free.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, he can't do this on $60 oil. He can't just keep selling oil to China, which he does probably at a discount.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because remember, it's not even $60, because the sanctions, he's not even $60. It's probably $40. It's not $60. No, it isn't. That's what oil's at, but that's not what Russia's selling at.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, especially not. I am guaranteeing that China's getting a deal.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's at least $40 a barrel or less. Absolutely, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don't know if it can be that low.
SPEAKER 04 :
You think so? Oh, yeah. Okay. I'm guessing so. It's an easy 30% to 40% discount. Otherwise, why buy it there? If it's not discounted, why buy it, Andy? Well, they are allies now. Yeah, but they also understand that they could buy it anywhere at the rack price. Why would you have to go there to buy it?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, you would want a discount from Russia.
SPEAKER 04 :
You want to squeeze them. Well, yeah, because technically you're not supposed to be buying it at all.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but China doesn't care about technically.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know, but technically you're not supposed to be. So what they're coming with them is saying, listen, we're at a risk here buying this from you. We want a discount. That's what you would say. That's what I would say. And they are getting one. Right. I guarantee it. I just don't know how much it won.
SPEAKER 08 :
Bottom line, Russia can't keep this up. Oil's too cheap.
SPEAKER 04 :
Especially now. Keep in mind, folks, it's down from when Trump took over $20 a barrel, roughly. Right. Pretty close to $20 a barrel. It was $80, $85 a barrel or so. I'd have to go back and look at the history, but that's pretty close to what it was. It's $60, I don't know, I checked this morning, it was $62, $63 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, but one of the Democrats on the Hill, was it today or yesterday, you know, grilling... $62.56 a barrel today. Okay. Grilling Rubio actually said that Trump's actions have... Okay, I'm trying to put this. She actually said that Trump's actions have prolonged the war in Ukraine and Russia because they have emboldened Putin. He has emboldened Putin so Putin doesn't have to negotiate now. And I'm like, what just happened the entire Biden presidency? What did Biden do to slow down this war to bring it to a close? So she was complaining and saying that Trump was prolonging the war. I think this was Shaheen prolonging the war by emboldening Putin.
SPEAKER 04 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, these people are nuts. These people are nuts.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I did look it up. I wasn't too far off. Oil on Inauguration Day, and keep in mind it dropped a little even before then, from when the election was until then. In anticipation of Trump. Whether you're looking at WTI or Brent, right around $77, $78 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
So I wasn't too far off.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oil went down $15. What does that do to the Russian war machine?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it takes a big chunk of money out of it. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely, Andy. Because keep in mind, Russia doesn't, they don't have the same, even though their costs per barrel are less than what ours are, they're not the Saudis. They're not producing oil at $6 a barrel. No. It doesn't come out of the ground like it does over there in the desert. Not the same. So they have a higher cost of getting that out of the ground than what the Saudis do, the Middle East does.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's amazing how cheap they can get it. It just bubbles up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my gosh. Stick a rod in the ground and it... Stick a tube in the ground and it comes out. I know, it's amazing. I mean, darn near. Well, which we had at this... We had places in America that were like that at one time as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not quite like that, but... West Texas is still somewhat like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, we had places in the south that very much you could still... Right. You know, you could find oil seeping up out of the ground all by itself. Well, the...
SPEAKER 08 :
Off the coast of California.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 08 :
We could still do it today.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm telling you what, there's so much oil there. Yes, yes. There's parts of the Gulf of Mexico or Gulf of, sorry, America where it's doing that. Comes up out of the bottom just like that.
SPEAKER 08 :
I am so angry, and I mean enraged, at California. for not drilling for their oil off their coastline. It is unbelievable how much energy they're denying the rest of the country and how much export. I mean, really, it would be unbelievable what we could do in exporting energy through California. And look what it would do for their tax base.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, I just did some math because it's not super well known what China pays for oil from Russia. But I did some math on what they were paying in 2023.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it was roughly $15 to $20 a barrel less than the regular rate everybody else would be paying. So I wasn't too far off.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not too far off.
SPEAKER 04 :
So it's got to be, they're probably right now paying $40, $45 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I mean, if it was $15 less then, but that's of a greater percentage.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure, so it could be $50 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
So it'd probably be about $12 less now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Still less.
SPEAKER 08 :
Still $48. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's dirt cheap. $48 to $50 a barrel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which takes a big chunk. Keep in mind, they were paying about $70 a barrel during the height of things. So, you know, keep in mind that that's a big discount for Russia is my point.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, speaking of cheap oil, I got an article here. It says Memorial Day is now set for the lowest gas prices in over 20 years. I don't know if it'll actually be quite that low, but they're low. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're dropping.
SPEAKER 08 :
How popular is our president getting?
SPEAKER 04 :
When you can start lowering everyday prices that people spend money on, gas, groceries, things along those lines, energy, their gas and light bill and so on, yeah, you become really popular, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Even if you don't like the guy, you start becoming more popular. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
He even has unions liking him because he's bringing jobs back.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, all of the tariff stuff we talked about even with Joe earlier in the program talking about that end of things, tariffs and so on, and what that actually does for us.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, he is becoming a superpower unto himself. This is incredible. I have never seen a president be this dominant. I really haven't. Obama was in a lot of ways because his personality... Yeah, but not economically he wasn't. No, economically he was terrible.
SPEAKER 04 :
He was the opposite.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, he was dominant in the damage he did, obviously.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that's a good way of saying it.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, the Medicaid expansion through Obamacare has destroyed our economy. Great way of saying it. But look, Trump, what he is doing right now, remaking the entire world trade map so that we can actually sell stuff to people around the world. It had gotten to where we couldn't sell anything anymore, John. I mean, a little bit, but so little. We couldn't sell anything anymore, and now we're going to get to sell things again. That's incredible. Shutting down the border entirely is massively popular, and when the big, beautiful bill goes through, and it will, we're going to have the money to complete the wall. Okay, so you complete the wall, you redo the trade deals, you lower the price of gas, which lowers the price of food as well, right? And a lot of other products. My goodness, I cannot begin to think how popular he's going to be. And then you stake out in positions like this. There are two genders. And all the normals look at you and say, thank you. Yes, there are.
SPEAKER 04 :
So remember what I was saying earlier about interest rates around the world, and if we can get the spread to be large enough, it will actually help our rates? Right. Just as an example, really quick, and Japan's, of course, has been coming up, but they're only at 0.5%. Switzerland, 0.25%. Singapore, 2.1%. The Euro area, 2.4%. Canada, 2.75%. South Korea, 2.75%. China, 3%. And you never know about theirs. But Australia, 3.8%. The United Kingdom is the closest to us as far as countries that need investment money. They're at 4.25%. We're at 4.5%. Saudi Arabia, 5%, but they don't need anybody's investment money. Indonesia, 5.75%. India, 6%. South Africa, 7.5%. Again, now you start going down in countries that, frankly, nobody's going to invest in anyways. Russia, for example, is 21%. Nobody's going to invest in Russia. So the reality is those other key countries that I was just talking about, when you start getting a larger spread, It enables the Fed then to actually look at ours and lower prices, knowing people are still going to buy our debt because the spread is there and they just will.
SPEAKER 08 :
But Trump is his own worst enemy on this. And I'm not saying he's doing anything dumb. I mean, his success is going to drive an economic boom that is going to keep the Fed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but it's going to drive it here, not in other countries, which is a good thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
I understand that. But we have a dumb Fed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not when it comes to things I just mentioned, because they also know that our debt load is huge. Yes. And if you can start reducing some of our own budgets by having less debt load, they will do that. Yes, they will. Will they, though? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
But they're so political, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, they will. They will.
SPEAKER 08 :
They need to lower rates.
SPEAKER 04 :
They will.
SPEAKER 08 :
Will they lower rates even with an economic... Well, they should have already done it by now.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's a whole other conversation. I know they should have, but that's what I mean. General Powell's being stingy.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's what I don't understand. They should have done it by now, and they haven't, so I worry, will they?
SPEAKER 04 :
Because they had no faith in Trump's strategy regarding tariffs. That's why.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so when they start seeing deals getting inked, and they will... That will change things. Then they'll be... So our prosperity will get them to lower rates.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which is one of their key things they keep looking at, as you know. It won't be there. The inflation won't be there. It'll actually be, in some cases, the other way. Deflation. Yeah, not necessarily deflation, but it'll level off and you'll see economic growth and so on. And that's some of what they'll look at.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm still hoping to see – look, I think it's going to be different in various sectors. I've said this all along. We said from the start we're never going to see this massive inflation. They're predicting it's not going to happen. We said that. It didn't happen, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Somebody also said prices aren't dropping fast enough. We're still paying more than $3 a gallon. for gasoline what's up with that well i can tell you that especially here in colorado and in other places the refineries switch over there's different blends of fuel they do from winter to summer there's maintenance it's usually done in the springtime on refineries as those refineries come back online and you start seeing more production you'll actually start seeing the price of gasoline even come down more so than what it already has so there's your answer also at this time of year every year you have a jump in domestic demand Well, because of Memorial Day and then you start to see things even slip afterwards. But, you know, I had this long conversation the other day with Richard talking about, you know, refineries and different things along those lines. And here's the reality, folks, and I'm trying to be as honest as I can. This isn't even political. If you're an oil company and you're looking at refineries and you're thinking to yourself, you know – EVs are getting a little stronger. Whether government mandates it or not, people are buying them. The demand for oil actually isn't what it used to be. You're starting to see a worldwide drop in demand, frankly. You might even see more of that demand continue to drop. Yes, we're still going to need oil for a lot of the things that we consume and do. on a daily basis, not just driving, but plastics, clothing, on down the line we go, yes, there's still going to be a demand. There's never going to be that part of it going away completely. But if the demand is going to continue to drop, why would I, Andy, and you and I, if we were owners of an oil company, why would we go invest billions of dollars and take five to ten years to build a refinery, knowing that in ten years that refinery might not even be able to pay for itself?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I don't know.
SPEAKER 04 :
You wouldn't is the answer.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, you wouldn't. On the other hand, green energy is also suffering huge setbacks, and that could be a problem.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but what I mean by this, and I said this years ago even in the car end of things, having nothing to do even with EVs and so on, cars have naturally become more efficient, more efficient, more efficient, even trucks. There's a lot of trucks running around today that will get 20 miles to the gallon where it used to be 10 miles to the gallon or 15 miles to the gallon. So just the amount of fuel needed is less than what it was because of some of those factors as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and also the international – look, when you're setting the price of oil, you're doing it internationally, and that includes the massive market of China. China used to have roaring demand for oil.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
It has gone down dramatically. Why? They've wrecked their economy. Is that going to turn around in the next year? No, it is not.
SPEAKER 04 :
And keep in mind, that's the oil side. I'm talking more of the refining side because, remember, we've got finished product versus oil.
SPEAKER 08 :
But you're not going to refine if you don't have more oil.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, but my point on the – the question was why are we not seeing prices drop on the gallon of gasoline in the U.S. like we should be, especially here in Colorado? Because just because oil comes down, it's not always a direct relation because we still have to refine said product. And we have limited capacity to do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
True. And it's also a lagging indicator.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. And again, gas comes down quite a ways after oil comes down. And folks keep saying, we need more refiners and we need more refineries. And at one time, I was one of those that would say the same thing. Although, if you look at the investment side of oil companies and what it takes to actually build a refinery, keep it, maintain it, all of what you have to go to run through that, all of the hassle factor of doing that, at the end of the day, why would you? Knowing that we may not even need more refined product than we actually have today. Keep in mind, for all of you listening, this is something that Trump is, Charlie and I were talking about this yesterday. This is where Trump, by the way, is coming along saying, hey, guys, guess what? We want to incentivize you all to start having kids again because our population isn't growing. We're not going to have the same demand on down the road if we don't keep adding to our population by you guys having kids. So he's incentivizing people to have kids.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I don't like that either. Sorry.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is what it is.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know, but I don't like it.
SPEAKER 04 :
But his point is he understands we need more people.
SPEAKER 08 :
I get that, but, you know, no. I don't think that we should be paying people to have kids.
SPEAKER 04 :
We always have. It's not going to change. We always have.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's disgusting.
SPEAKER 04 :
We've never done it any other way, and we will continue to do so.
SPEAKER 08 :
My taxes already pay for their schools.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't have kids. But it's not going to change, Andy. It is one of those things.
SPEAKER 08 :
They doubled the child tax credit. This is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they're now going to give you, I think, is it $1,000, Charlie? Trump wants to give another $1,000, I think, per kids.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it'll be put in an investment account. You can actually invest it. Right, right. The one part of that I actually like is it'll train kids into being grubby little capitalists like me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Which I like. Yeah, I like that, too. I mean, in defense of Trump, he's not saying we need more people, so let's immigrate more. No, he's saying, go have more kids. Those of you that already live here, go have more kids.
SPEAKER 08 :
Will kindergartens be ringing with the sounds of kids screaming buy and sell? Well, I did, but I don't know about kids today.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but you were strange. I know. I was a weird kid. Yeah. I don't know. That's a great question today. Kids, this is a whole other discussion. My stocks are going down. We talked a little bit about this yesterday as far as the trades and all that go. The reality, Andy, is, yeah, we should be teaching some of that at an earlier age and quit worrying about teaching kids whether they're in the wrong body and be teaching them how do they put a buck in their wallet.
SPEAKER 08 :
No more investing during nap time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Seriously. I mean, honestly, Andy, we need to be focused on that, not you're in the wrong body.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, some of the nonsense that we get into is utter nonsense.
SPEAKER 08 :
And it's both, by the way, even my views. Okay, I'm a born again right wing evangelical Christian. Do kids need to know that to make it in the free market?
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, then don't, I don't shove my views on kindergartners. Why are you shoving yours?
SPEAKER 04 :
They shouldn't.
SPEAKER 08 :
Learning new genders doesn't help them get a job.
SPEAKER 04 :
It does not, Andy. It actually makes it worse. Yes, it does. Because now they're all focused on the wrong things, not the things they should be to get a job. Exactly. You're focused on all, literally all of the wrong things. You know, I could go down the path of even, I'll be careful how I say this because I don't want to be too rude to certain individuals, but when you go in to apply for a job. Yeah. and that employer is looking at you, prospective employer is looking at you, and they can read right through you and know, wait a minute, this guy's more concerned about being woke and using the right pronouns, and I've got to make sure I call him he, she, or whatever. You don't want to hire him. I've got to make sure I'm doing all that correctly. The first thing they look at is, I can hire somebody else and not have this hassle.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I don't want to put myself under a microscope by hiring this person. So they don't. And also, this person is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that too. They're a walking lawsuit on legs. So why would I go down that path as an employer?
SPEAKER 08 :
I don't.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't want to buy it. They're not going to want to.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don't want to hire that.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. So they don't. So my point earlier was, yes, you're not teaching these kids anything. You're actually going to make it worse for them in the job market.
SPEAKER 08 :
This is what really angers me, and then we'll go to break, but this is what angers me, John. Why are we teaching sex in schools at all? I mean, seriously, what is the value to teaching sex to kids?
SPEAKER 04 :
There isn't any. Sorry, I'm moving the shades.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, no, no, that's okay. I mean, I'm pretty sure, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the human race procreated before we taught sex in schools.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah, absolutely, Andy. We didn't miss anything.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm pretty sure sex was still fun for people before we taught sex in schools. And I'm not even talking about gender.
SPEAKER 04 :
Human nature hasn't missed a beat, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
talking about the the bias stuff gender studies and so i'm just i'm just talking about teaching sex okay why why do they need to hear that what is what is learning and and i've always asked people this how many teenagers out there are so lame that they will say this i need the government to teach me about sex none otherwise i got no hope
SPEAKER 04 :
None. That's probably not something you'd say at a dating site. Most kids would prefer to not have any of that in school, period.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. It is of no value. No value whatsoever. You're right. It is only there for one reason and one reason only, and that is to teach agenda from one side.
SPEAKER 04 :
You would be better off, for all of those kids that you are now making mandatory to go to sex education, you would be better off having a mandatory financial class that they go to, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
That actually affects their life.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. That actually has something to do with succeeding in the free market. What is compounding interest? What is compounding interest when it comes to saving? What is it when it comes to buying? What is a loan payment do? How do you buy a house? What's a mortgage? Not that they have checkbooks anymore, but how does that part of it work?
SPEAKER 08 :
John, how about this one? How do you change your oil?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that too. That's another one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. But seriously, how do you work with your hands? How do you, how do you fix this? How do you do that? We should be doing that instead of sex. How do you handle your money? How do you, how do you get by in life? What we got is a bunch of kids who don't know what gender they are and they can't fix it and they can't change a tire.
SPEAKER 04 :
No. Really quick on the sex ed end of, or on, on that end of things. We got time. We can squeeze some more in here and do a combined break. Um, There's been several reports of late because we're getting towards the end of the school year, and a lot of different events are on track, especially, and things like that. And there's been reports, of course, of transgender boys competing in girls' sports and actually winning the prize.
SPEAKER 08 :
I always bet money on them.
SPEAKER 04 :
I do well. You might as well because they're going to be the winner. And the reality is, you know, you've got girls now that are actually trying to, you know, protest and do different things and even stand up on the podium where they should be because they were actually the real winner of the meet. So here's my point with all that. We won't allow kids to get tattoos unless there's, of course, some sort of parental agreement or they've got to be 18 years of age. We won't let them drink unless they're 21 years of age. There's all sorts of things that we don't let kids do until they're a certain age, correct? Correct. So why is it legal to cut their body parts off and do something else different prior to that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, because they're totally mature and they're ready for that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Unbelievable, Andy. Again, you talk about a law that needs to be pushed from the federal level down. It's exactly that. No kid can have anything done to their genitalia, period, unless it's a medically required thing because of a birth deformity or something along those lines. But outside of that, if you're just transitioning, no body parts will be changed, period, until they're 18 years of age plus. Why can't we have a law like that?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think we need one real quick here. I'll ask you this, and we'll go to break. John, which thing will affect you the rest of your life, guaranteed? Cutting off a part of your body or owning a gun? But which thing does the left want to prevent?
SPEAKER 04 :
They want to prevent the gun, not you cutting off your whatever.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Your breasts, your wee-woe, your whatever. Stupid, Andy. Unbelievable. No, this is absolute lunacy. They'll let you alter.
SPEAKER 08 :
They'll let a kid alter their body, but they'll freak out if an 18-year-old has a right to defend themselves.
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SPEAKER 03 :
It's time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we are back. Jerry and Greeley, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, I rarely get to listen this time of day because of my work schedule. Sure, sure, sure. So have you ever talked to Aaron Lee of Protect Kids Colorado?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my God. I'd have to go back through my notes and see. I interview so many different people. That name sounds familiar.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, she's the mother of the girl that was being indoctrinated into the transsexualism in Wellington a few years ago. And thank God she and her husband fought back, and they made a movie about it called Art Club. And now there's an ongoing lawsuit. Anyway, she's now the head of a group called Protect Kids Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 10 :
Boy, they're great. But you were talking about sexual education, so to speak. And my take on it is that it's no longer the birds and the bees, basic biology. It's about introducing the degeneracy and the perversion.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. You're right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that's all part of, really, the long march through the institutions, the cultural Marxism. And, you know, like Marx said it clearly. He said, all that exists deserves to be destroyed. They wanted to tear down all of the safe, healthy, functioning institutions. in a decent society to replace it with communism. And the sacredness of marriage, the family, just basic Judeo-Christian morality regarding sexuality, that's just another thing they want to destroy. to tear down a functioning society to replace it with their view of utopia. That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, well, you tear down absolutes so that people will then rely upon the government.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Well, and, you know, like Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals, he says in there, you know, advising commie revolutionaries, Remember, the issue is never the issue, so the reason that they put forth for a certain social change isn't the real long-term underlying goal. Correct. It's just a front. Yep, that's right, Jerry. There's a fantastic book called Next Generation Marxism by Catherine Gorka and Mike Gonzalez at the Heritage Foundation, and it goes into this in fantastic detail. Okay. well worthwhile, but if I could real quickly, I'm a few years overdue on this, but I wanted to give you a big thank you, because about maybe almost five years ago now, I heard you on Crawford, on the roundtable, and this was a period of time where the leftists really seemed to be ascendant, and they were exerting tremendous societal pressure, and a lot of I noticed a lot of conservative people were cowering in some ways, and they were afraid to challenge the new strength that the commies seem to be displaying in the wake of the George Floyd fiasco. But anyway, I heard you on Roundtable one time, and you were talking about the transsexual movement. And just to paraphrase, you boldly said you weren't going to have it, and you didn't care who liked it, and you were going to stand by your values, period. And you said it so eloquently and so bravely, I cheered.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, thank you.
SPEAKER 10 :
So thank you for that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, Jerry. That means a lot. No, I appreciate it. You're a great listener, and I appreciate you guys greatly, you especially. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jerry. I appreciate it. Jerry is a great guy, one of my first callers most every Saturday, not about this stuff but car questions and things like that. No, but he's a great guy. He's a great man. He sends me all sorts of different things that I can look up, like this recommendation of this book, by the way. And I will just tell you straight up that Jerry is a great man. He is looking out for the best interests of not only our state but the kids in this state, the politics in this state. Jerry is a great guy. We need more guys like him, more men like him. We sure do. Absolutely. He's a fine, fine gentleman. So, Jerry, thank you. That means a lot. Anytime we get compliments like that, I am thrilled because some days, not all days, Andy, as you know, but there are some days where you just kind of wonder. Why are we doing this?
SPEAKER 08 :
I know. You look out over Colorado and you're just like, are we just speaking into the wind?
SPEAKER 04 :
Are we making a difference?
SPEAKER 08 :
Is it just hopeless?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And we are. And we are making a difference. I do hear that from a lot of you from time to time. And I appreciate that greatly. And that, by the way, that's whether we're talking cars, whether we're talking politics around the house. whatever, and I do appreciate that. You guys have really, really great, kind words for us. But, yeah, the whole – I'm going to go back just and kind of finish off with this, Andy. We've got all these laws regarding kids. They can't smoke. They can't do this. They can't do that. You're not supposed to go to a rated-R movie unless you're 17 and blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER 08 :
We wall and fence them in everywhere but –
SPEAKER 04 :
but the transgender end of things, where if they're in the wrong body, they can still cut off body parts and it's all good.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's incredible.
SPEAKER 04 :
What a load of garbage, Andy, that we're doing this. We will, mark my words on this one, we will, as a country... As medical providers, as parents that are encouraging this nonsense, you guys are going to come to Jesus at some point in time. You will pay the price. You will give an account for what you're doing.
SPEAKER 08 :
We will look back on this time in shame.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, this is ridiculous. John, really quick here. I can claim to be anything that I'm not, and you'll think I'm crazy. I can say I'm a Wimbledon champion, and you'll say you're crazy. I can say I'm 20 feet tall, you'll say I'm crazy. But I can say that I'm a woman, and you have to say it's okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
I have to bow to that. I can't even say, no, Andy, you're a man. Now I'm in trouble in the state of Colorado because I just misgendered you.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's insane.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Guys, have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
On this episode, unpack the complex world of tariffs and tax policies with our expert hosts. From discussing the redistribution of wealth to the equitable distribution of tax burdens, explore how these policies affect everyday Americans. Delve into a detailed examination of international tariff deals that promise to level the playing field for the U.S. on the global stage, and consider the economic theories that drive these decisions. In addition, explore the political ramifications of these economic strategies. With a special focus on upcoming electoral battles, especially in states like New Jersey, understand how tax and trade policies might sway public opinion and affect local and national elections. This episode is a comprehensive guide to understanding how economies interact and the potential shifts on the horizon for both domestic and international markets.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, because he actually increased the redistribution of wealth because he gave the least tax cuts to rich people. You know I am not a rich person, John. You are well aware of this. John found me on a street corner. That's why he got me out. But you know I'm not a rich guy. I'm never going to be rich, and so this does not benefit me. You know what my first thing that I think we need to do for the American economy is? Cut taxes on the wealthy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it generates more revenue when it's all said and done. We've proven that time and time and time again.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and also it's more fair. It's more right. I believe that everybody should pay the same percentage. This is something that drives me crazy. One thing I like about the tariffs is... You see, because it's going to settle in probably at about 10% across the board after he cuts all these deals with everybody. No country is going to be paying the outrageous reciprocal tariffs by the end of all the deals. It's just going to take more than 90 days. There's too many. But there will be that 10%. Part of that, not all. There are economists who say, oh, then everything we buy will go up 10%. No, it won't. Some of that will be absorbed by the shippers, by the people bringing it in. But a portion of it will go on us. Guess what? I like that. Because what it's going to be is basically a consumption tax that is put on Americans. And you know what? Everybody pays that equally. And to what I say is that it's about time.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm fine with that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because at least, at least, finally, all these people who are paying no federal income tax will be paying something. Well, yeah, but we're paying it in groceries. Yeah, about time. Because, you know, John, who's busted his ass for how many decades to get where he is, doesn't eat more than you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. He doesn't need more roadway than you. Like I told you, Andy, I'm tired of the non-net taxpayers. I'm tired of the net tax receivers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, me too.
SPEAKER 15 :
Even on our side of the aisle. And they're on both sides of the aisle, our side as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so anyway, you've heard my purist rant. Now back to reality. Folks, we need this because you can't suddenly make America pure.
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
Americans want to rob fellow Americans. Okay? A majority of Americans want to rob fellow Americans blind. And a lot of those Americans live in places like New York. That's why the SALT thing, state and local taxes, being able to write it off, is such a huge advantage for people in stupid blue states that overtax their people. Okay. We have to give some on that. We have to give some on that. Why? Because we've got to help our New York Congress people who are Republicans representing us there. We have to give some on no tax on tips. We have to give some on no tax on Social Security. Actually, I kind of like that one anyway. But you see what I'm saying? We've got to play the market. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
You're right. Totally agree. Can't argue that at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, well, then look at the other side of it. Okay, let's say we pass. Big, beautiful bill. I believe we're going to have an economic boom. Oh, I agree with that, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's going to be great. No, I think anything we can do to stimulate the economy, and it goes back to our conversation we were ending with last hour, when it comes to interest rates and so on, the only way, again, the only way, and this is a part of, keep in mind the big picture with what Trump's doing with tariffs and so on, and it might take me a minute here to explain this, but to get other countries... To suffer some, let me make sure I'm clear on that. In other words, it benefits us if their economies aren't doing as well as ours is. Typically when the United States does well, everybody else does well. Especially the way the tariffs were prior. Because we were taken in the shorts constantly when it came to tariffs. Other countries were not. So I get all that straightened out to where things are actually more correct. If you would, it will actually hurt the economies of other countries, which in the end helps us. And let me explain. If other countries start to hurt a little bit and they have to do some things to lower their rates and they have to do things interest rate wise to try to keep their economy afloat. That helps us because, as I said in the last hour, if their rates go down, ours can as well because we have to keep ours above what everybody else's is at to a certain degree to keep investment in our T-bills coming into this country to keep our debt going. That's how this works, folks. There's no funny business about any of that. That's how it works. So my point is if we can get other countries to go down on interest rates, ours can as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Yeah, but I predict we will get them to go down.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think they will with everything that's happening right now as far as what Trump's doing with tariffs and so on. Because some of these countries, Andy, are not going to be collecting from us on the tariff end of things what they once were. Oh, all of them. It's going to kill them in some cases. Their collections.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look, this idea. Here's what's going on, folks. The whole world's been living off the American taxpayer.
SPEAKER 15 :
And it's about time it became more level.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Is it going to be perfectly level? No.
SPEAKER 15 :
But it's going to be better than it was prior. Right. with some of the things that I was mentioning overall a moment ago.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, I can't even begin to tell you what it's going to mean when we cut deals with China and India.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah, agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 15 :
China, India, Vietnam, some of those.
SPEAKER 04 :
Opening up those markets.
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Joe, you are next.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, one other thing tariffs are going to fix, and that is foreign car manufacturers building cars in the U.S. who aren't paying any income taxes. Either one of you guys want to guess the rough order magnitude, like Honda USA, what their annual car sales are in the United States, order magnitude?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I've looked. It's been a while since I looked, Joe.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, in the case of Honda, it's $56 billion. Another is $45. So they're all in that $40 to $60 billion a year sales range. And do you know that those, Honda USA, Toyota USA, Nissan USA, none of them pay any U.S. corporate income taxes. Now, you think they're selling cars at no profit? Do you think that's why they, now, so how are they doing that? How are they selling $50 billion worth of cars and not having to pay any U.S. income taxes?
SPEAKER 15 :
Because all of the profits go through one of their other companies outside of the U.S.,
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And the way that happens is, even though they're assembling these cars in Tennessee and Georgia and whatnot, they're building these cars with engines, transmissions, and computer engine control modules being shipped in from their parent company. Now, because they're a separate subsidiary, the parent company literally, on paper, sells those components to the U.S. subsidiary. And they make sure what's called the transfer price. And I used to work for a big international company. We used to do the same thing. They set the transfer price high enough so that at the end of the day, the U.S. subsidiary makes just enough gross profit to cover its marketing and overhead. So at the end of the year, they have essentially zero net taxable profits made in the U.S. But the parent company is making a fortune on the engines and transmissions they've sold to their subsidiary.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
So they're paying taxes back to Korea or Japan. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Germany or wherever.
SPEAKER 05 :
So meanwhile, U.S. corporate companies like Ford and General Motors are paying U.S. income taxes, corporate income taxes, on the profits they make selling their cars. So U.S. car manufacturers have been at a severe disadvantage because they're having to pay taxes here that their foreign competitors aren't. So the tariffs are going to fix that because no longer will Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai get away with it. It's the same with Mercedes and BMW. You name, they're all building Volkswagen, they're all building cars here. None of them pay essentially anything in corporate income taxes in the United States of America. Tariffs will fix that because now those high dollar components... will come with a tariff, which is essentially a tax attached to them, and that's going to be huge.
SPEAKER 15 :
And in turn, it does affect some of the other American manufacturers because not everything that goes, I've said this many times on Drive Radio, not everything that goes into a car is made in America, unfortunately, which, Joe, by the way, in some cases could be. We could get some of those things back online, and once again, tariffs will force some of those things to come back to America and come online here. It can be done.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. By the way, do you know which three cars have the highest percentage of American-made parts?
SPEAKER 15 :
Tesla's number one. Number two and number three. Okay, so he's all three. I was going to say I was going to go manufacturers and not go actual models, but yeah, Tesla's number one across the board because about 80% of their cars are made here. Well, 80% of the components. Correct. 100% of the cars are made here. Yeah, I meant everything that goes in the car is about 80%. Actually, on one of them, I think it's 86%. Yeah, it's pretty high. If you want to buy an American car, for all of you right-wing Republicans out there that don't like EVs and so on, if you really want to buy an American-made car, go buy a Tesla.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, all three Tesla models have U.S. content.
SPEAKER 15 :
He is the only manufacturer that makes his own seats. Yep. Everybody else buys a seat from somebody else.
SPEAKER 04 :
Joe, you know, with all these tariffs, we're talking about the economic benefits. For a moment, let's talk about the political benefits. They are playing well with the American public. They really are. And for instance, in your home state right there in New Jersey, as you probably know, Donald Trump is actually polling ahead of your Democrat governor. Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, by a good margin, I watched the Democrats had a debate on Saturday about And I'm watching this debate, and their entire argument, why you should vote for me, was I can fight Donald Trump better than you. I'm serious. It's like one guy says, well, if Trump tries to do this, I'm prepared to do that. And the next one comes up, says, oh, yeah, hold my beer, watch this. And the next guy says, oh, yeah, well, if Trump tries to do this, this is what I would do to fight Trump. It was literally their entire platform is who can fight Donald Trump better.
SPEAKER 04 :
But Trump's popularity is soaring in your state.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. So I think their argument about who can fight Donald Trump better, well, it might win them the primary, but it's certainly not going to win them the election.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I mean, I think it's actually, am I just dreaming here or is New Jersey in play? I think New Jersey is in play.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, we have a governor's, unlike most states where you have elections on the even years, the New Jersey gubernatorial race is this November. So it's really off. Oh, I didn't know it was that soon. Yeah, no, the primaries, I just voted in the Republican primary, and our gubernatorial election is this November of 25, not 26. Do you have a good idea who our candidate will be? I think it's going to be a guy named Jack Ciccarelli. He ran against Murphy last time and came scary close to Murphy, who's term limited, by the way. Nobody thought, I think he came within four percentage points of Murphy. which was a shocker. Nobody thought Ciccarelli was going to come that close.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, let me tell you something, because that's going to happen this fall. What if, in the interim, Trump inks a bunch of foreign deals? Okay, and we get the big, beautiful bill through. What if that all happens well before then?
SPEAKER 05 :
I think it ups his chance. I think he stands right now, I think it's a 50-50 shot. I think if that happens, I think he wins by three or four points. No problem.
SPEAKER 04 :
That would be huge.
SPEAKER 05 :
It would be huge.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right. Good stuff.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
And we are back, myself, Andy Pate, JT Young, joining us now, American Spectator. JT, how are you?
SPEAKER 06 :
I am fine. Thank you so much for having me on today.
SPEAKER 15 :
I appreciate it. The left, the radical left, and Democrats, three Ps, one pod. I think Andy would agree with you on that one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. Good. J.T., let me ask you a question here really quick. It has been really surprising to see the rise of the radical left in the Democrat Party, not because they haven't always had it. They have. But usually you will see a party, the radical elements rise in popularity because there is great discontent in the party with the results they're getting. OK, we're not getting the results we need. We need to get more radical. Right. And yet through Obama and Biden in those times, they were getting a lot of the results they wanted nationally. I mean, in the courts and everywhere else, they were really steering this country hard left and they still weren't happy. Why?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think what you saw was 2018 was a real watershed. I think they were that the entire left was stunned. by the results of 2016, they never expected Trump to win. They didn't expect Trump to be Trump once in office. And then you got, if you'll remember, the squad came in in 2018 and they really had a sea change. I think that the overall left became unhinged and they were really willing at that point to follow a more radical direction because they just felt that they were so adrift after having followed their party's establishment into the Hillary candidacy and losing. And I think it's fair to remember as well, in 2016, had the deck not been stacked against him, Bernie Sanders would have won that nomination. True.
SPEAKER 04 :
JT, I mean, do you think that their hatred for a personality, that being Trump, brought out their inner radical in many Democrats?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think what it did is it made them susceptible to listen to a radical left. And then when Biden won, Biden was an incredibly weak president. You know, he really had little support of his own. If you look back at the primaries, Biden survived. And he would just pick up a portion as candidates dropped out. And he became, by default, their nominee. And so he came into office extremely weak. His base was very small. And he had really little personal allegiance. So I think he found himself in a position where he was really beholden to the whole left. And he had to go radical, he felt, in order to govern.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hmm. Interesting. I I don't know that you I can't disagree with you on any of that. I don't think any and either one can. I think we've even talked about that that particular end of things on air. And here's the question. How long can the Joe Biden's of the world? He's not in charge any longer. But how long can he keep Bernie's and AOC's and those that are a part of the party? in check, JT, because, you know, for a while that's what was happening. But now that Biden is no longer in charge, in fact, you know, we're learning more and more that he's had some health issues that have been covered up for quite some time, which is a topic in and of itself. But the reality is, you know, the Biden regime is no longer in charge. Who's going to keep these nut jobs in check?
SPEAKER 06 :
It's a great question. It's a great question, John, because I think what you're going to see and we need to be bracing for 2028 is Because you can see the movements are already afoot. I don't know if you've been following this. A member of the New Democrat leadership, last name of Hogg, H-O-G-G. David Hogg. Yeah, good. Has announced targeting establishment Democrats or Democrats who don't go far enough left. Nancy Pelosi has already been primaried in her district, and lo and behold, who should it be that's done it? Former campaign manager for AOC. So I think, to your point, not just Biden dropping away, but I think there's a wholesale attack on the Democrat establishment leadership from the left, because once they've let them in, sort of the camel's nose, The camel follows and that they now can't get rid of them. And they are also very dependent on them. You know, these are the people who are so motivated. They go to the rallies, they go to the town halls, they contribute. And, you know, parties are made and make and break the party on the people who are the most motivated and the most motivated are clearly the the most radical right now in the Democrat Party. So they can't really tell them. I know that we've been hearing James Carville saying that it would be better if these extreme progressives would just go their own way. But the reality is that the Democrat Party couldn't survive if they did. They need them. They're already hemorrhaging support. They just lost last November. They see an electoral map that's heavily stacked against them right now. They can't really be throwing people out of their party.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, JT, I think one big word comes to mind, and that is energy. And what I mean is this. It's like they have energy envy because they look across at the Republican Party, obviously led by an immensely energetic person named Donald Trump, but also all the people who work with Trump are high energy, high energy, high energy, high energy. And then you look on the left, and the only way that they can get energy is with their radicals. Could that be a big reason they're turning to the radicals? Because right now, when they look at the energy of the right and they are envious of it, they can't look back at the people they've been putting up.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think I think you're absolutely right. And I think, again, you know, their whole leadership generation has kind of aged out. You know, we've been seeing a tour, basically a Bernie Sanders and AOC going on the road. It just feels like a passing of the torch because here you have, you know, an octogenarian and then you have her who's, you know, at least half a century, his, her, his junior, you know, Pelosi is advanced in years. They, you know, Chuck Schumer is, is terrified that AOC will challenge him in a primary in New York. I mean, Their whole leadership is quite old. And I think going back to your observation about energy, yes, I think there is a sense that on the left that they have to combat Trump's energy with that of their own, their own passion. And I think it's obviously something that they want to do as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
Interesting. This is going to be, I mean, to me, and I think Andy, you would agree, this is going to be an interesting time for the left. We've talked about this a few times on this program, JT, whereas when you get, we have some of the same struggles here, especially here in Colorado in the Republican Party. When you get the radical part of your party in charge, it can literally abolish the rest of the party if you're not careful. Same things happen here in Colorado with the radical right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You see a sacrifice of the middle, and it kind of becomes a no-lose situation to the extremists, because either they prevail and they get their policies pursued, or they drive out the people who are resisting them, and even if the party is shrinking, they grow proportionally within the party. So, you know, just what you observed, I think you do see that, and you're seeing a very conscious move in this direction, I think, on the left and among Democrats. And, you know, you really think about they need Trump or some sense of unity in that party.
SPEAKER 15 :
Good point. Sorry.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you're fine.
SPEAKER 15 :
By all means. No, you're fine.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, okay, JT, really quick here. You are obviously an expert on the radical left, so let me ask you a question here. Because there is a radical left and there is a radical right. Absolutely. But the radical right, there are two big differences. Number one, the radical right is incredibly small. Okay, we talk about these militias and these people. The numbers of them versus the numbers of BLM are 1 to 20. I mean, it's not close. Why is the radical left so much larger, and why are they so much more violent?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think, and I have a book that came out late last year that describes some of this, but I think what you saw was going way back into the 1960s. If you look at the old socialist left of America, it basically disbanded. And if you put on your history lesson for the day, you know, the Port Huron Statement from the 1960s and Tom Hayden and Students for a Democrat Society basically announced the demise of the socialist left. And so a lot of these people then went into various causes, and they've been incubating in there for basically six decades and so i think the violence that you see is endemic to a socialist uh approach you know marxism is is a very violent ideology they they absolutely believe class conflict is everywhere and the only way that you advance to the resolution of that is through a revolutionary strategy uh so i think violence is endemic to a lot of these people and they took that with them into the causes they went into so you do see this i think over and over again um you know um the one um that's brilliant Yeah, the one like bombing Teslas. I mean, you know, we always think of the environmentalists as just about the most passive of people. You know, you think of Earth Day and hugging a tree.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you think that, but they sure are showing their true colors.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. And, you know, we've seen this before, but I think to your point that we saw it. You know, people who used to spike trees in the logging area, but they were a really militant small group. But now that's not the case anymore. That's right. Over and over and over in every movement area, you think about it. Think of who is leading that movement, whether it's on immigration or environment. And you look to the left, it's always the radical right. agenda that's the actual mover. You mentioned BLM. We grew up, I did, with the NAACP. It was hardly a violent organization. But that's not who's really leading the civil rights movement anymore. It's BLM. You look at the environmental movement, this is not the Sierra Club anymore. It's And you see this over and over and over in various clauses.
SPEAKER 15 :
Great point. No, you are, and I get, you know, you're right, JT. I guess the question is, does this help the conservative movement or harm it?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think it helps it because it makes, it creates a reinforcing contrast to the conservatives, which... look like, and I think you saw this play out in November, that conservatives look like the reasonable approach, common sense. I mean, you think of so many different areas where the left's actual vanguard ideology is just an open border. Virtually nobody outside of the extreme left would have supported that And I think, you know, conservatives can kind of move in behind them, and all you have to do is just be rational, and you have an appeal. They scare the normals. Yeah, that's a great way of saying it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. JT, how do folks find you? I know you've got some stuff out on the American Spectator. What's the best way for them to find you?
SPEAKER 06 :
I have a website for the book. It's jt-young.com, and you will find a whole website there around the book. It also links up to the different publications that I run in. I have a piece out today in Real Clear Politics for people who go there. You mentioned The American Spectator, The Hill I run in. So I'm in various publications, and again, jt-young.com will take you right to the book's website, and from there you can find a lot more information.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. JT, as always, I appreciate it very much. Thank you, sir.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. It's been a pleasure talking to you.
SPEAKER 15 :
You too. Have a great night. Golden Eagle Financial. Al did an interview here recently. Listen up, and we'll be back right after that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial and the show you love, Retirement Unpacked, is here with me. How are you today, Al? I'm doing great. How are you, TJ? I'm doing great as well. I have a couple questions for you. As a financial advisor, do you also do taxes?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I don't prepare my clients' taxes. I do, however, spend a lot of time talking to them about taxes. To use a sports analogy, tax preparation is like doing a recap of the game. What I do is more like creating a game plan and then following up over time to see how it's working.
SPEAKER 03 :
And how much are taxes a part of that game plan that you create?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, with so many different taxes we're faced with, it becomes an important thing to take into consideration. It's not how much income you have, but how much you get to keep. In addition to federal and state income taxes, there's property taxes, state and local sales tax, and fees. And they all play a part in shrinking our income.
SPEAKER 03 :
What about people who already have really healthy balances in 401ks, IRAs? Won't they be facing significant taxes as they draw income from those accounts?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, it depends. Everybody's situation's a little bit different. There's no one size that fits all when it comes to tax planning. But often when I work with people, we'll create a strategy where we will convert traditional IRAs to Roth over time. And that not only reduces taxes in the future, but it will also lower the tax they'll be paying on their Social Security.
SPEAKER 03 :
Is that kind of strategy really only for the wealthy?
SPEAKER 12 :
Not at all. Many of my clients who have modest IRAs have chosen to convert to Roth over time. They enjoy the freedom of having a tax-free nest egg that they can access on their own timeline rather than an RMD schedule.
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SPEAKER 04 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John, he made such, I mean, when you talk about scaring the normals, One thing I've really noticed on the left is you've got two groups. You've got the Governor Shapiro's. in pennsylvania who you know is probably going to be their presidential campaign but will the wackos allow it good point right well the aocs of their party allow it right because governor shapiro does not scare the normals they like him right the normals like governor shapiro he is probably i think he's going to be their best candidate going in you know either him or the guy from kentucky or the guy right here okay those are going to be the best ones but Here's a big difference. Not only do the extremists scare the normals, they don't care that they scare the normals. They are fine. They like scaring the normals. And so what I want to ask you, John, is what about us on the right?
SPEAKER 15 :
It's no different.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. I mean, do we have the same? Look, I guess I'm talking about the Davidians here in Colorado. Yes. I mean, we have the same problem.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's very similar, Andy, because these people, especially online – now, I don't know what they're like in person because I haven't talked to any of them face-to-face for quite some time, although I've had some phone conversations with some of them. And I will tell you, Andy, that it is literally – Their way or the highway. They are rabid in regards to that. If you don't believe the way they believe, you're a total rhino. You're worthless. You shouldn't be in the party. You might as well be a Democrat. There's no use for you whatsoever. Go away. We don't want you any longer. That's their mantra.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, look what they did to Lauren Boebert the moment she stepped out of line. She was their queen, their princess.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now she's a prostitute.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now she's a prostitute, according to them.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I'm using their words. No, I know that you're using their effect. You're putting it much nicer. Literally, they've gone from queen to prostitute.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, that's them.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, these are people who, the second you step on a line... This is how radical these people are, folks. Yeah, the second you step on a line, they're... And we're talking, obviously, Rhino Watch and the Davidians and so forth.
SPEAKER 1 :
But...
SPEAKER 15 :
But really quick, Andy. Yeah, go ahead. Watch some of what they even put out online. No, fortunately, fortunately, none of them are on air because you can't hear them there because that doesn't sell. So none of them have been able to make it.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, Chuck and Julie, now they have to be with their podcast. It's all on podcast.
SPEAKER 15 :
So if you want to watch any of these people, you've got to go watch them via podcast because, frankly, they're not marketable on air. They're just not. Their stuff doesn't sell. Sponsors don't want to be a part of that. They can't make any money doing that. The stations can't. So you're not going to see any of these folks on regular radio or anything along those lines any longer. The only way you're going to see them is on a podcast. But what I'm telling you is go watch them. If you don't believe what Andy and I are saying and the rabid movements of these particular individuals, go watch them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they spew hate, hate, hate, just like the extreme left. I mean, they sound... Not much different, Andy. No, they sound exactly the same. And here's the thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Really quick. If you were to take... Yeah, go ahead. If you were to take the words out and just do the Charlie Brown, you know, wah, wah, wah, and replace both with those types of words... Just with the sound of them. They would sound exactly the same.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
There's no difference. Even in written form. No difference.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And what blows my mind is this. Not only do both of them hate each other, the radical left and the Davidians hate each other. And I understand that they should. They agree on nothing. They both hate the middle.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, they do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Meanwhile, the middle is voting. Yeah. And there are times when even Donald Trump, let's face it, has not been afraid to anger the middle. OK, and for some pretty good reasons. But most of but here's the thing, John, almost all of Trump's positions are 60, 40 or better positions.
SPEAKER 15 :
What do you think the no tax on tips just did, folks?
SPEAKER 04 :
I know he takes populist positions.
SPEAKER 15 :
You all that are on that hardcore radical right that are, you know, it's all for Trump and no one else, because that's your mantra, even though that's not how he's a moderate. Yes, that's not how Trump looks at it. The no tax on tips proves that.
SPEAKER 04 :
But the thing is, is they love Trump because of his style. His style isn't moderate. He's bombastic. That's right. Bombastic. Bombastic, right. His style's bombastic, but his policies and strategies are totally moderate.
SPEAKER 15 :
The strategies that Trump has are not the same as the strategies the radical right in Colorado has.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. I mean, remember, Dave Williams put out God hates flags. Trump would never do that. I mean, that was absolutely not just offensive to the left. Actually, they enjoyed it. They loved it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because they can eat that up.
SPEAKER 04 :
They ate it up.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
They were hoping upon hope that he would become our candidate for District 5. I mean, they were just like, oh, my gosh, we're going to eat him alive. Right. But the people in the middle saw that and were just absolutely deeply offended. Right. Well, all of Dave's supporters, what are they saying?
SPEAKER 15 :
Good. They deserve to be. Yeah, that's what they ought to hear. That's what we ought to be saying every day. That's the way it's supposed to work. They need to hear it. That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but not that way.
SPEAKER 15 :
I guess what I'm asking you, John, is... Furthermore, let me... Oh, go ahead. Not to get off track spiritually speaking, but that's an incorrect statement as well. Which statement? God hates... No, he hates what they're doing, but he does not hate those individuals at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
He's just talking about flags.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm sure he is. Sure he is. Take the L out.
SPEAKER 04 :
The thinly veiled slur.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, take the L out, folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
That was the most thinly veiled slur ever. I believe his words on that as much as I believe Comey when he discusses shells on a beach.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's like...
SPEAKER 15 :
People. We're not that stupid.
SPEAKER 04 :
Own your hate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you're going to be out there and if you're going to hate Donald Trump, by the way, James Comey, you do hate Donald Trump. Just own it. It's okay. We get it. Don't do mortal threats, but we get it. You hate Trump. We understand. Right. Okay. Dave Williams, own your hate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. We understand where you're coming from.
SPEAKER 04 :
We get where you're coming from. Just own it. Right. John, once again, getting back to this. Which is, by the way. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Never mind.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'll save it for later.
SPEAKER 04 :
Save it for later. Keep going.
SPEAKER 15 :
Keep going.
SPEAKER 04 :
the extreme left, we were just talking about this with a brilliant man, by the way, JT, he is brilliant. Okay. They despise the normals. They hate normals. They hate anything that's normal. If you think there are two genders, they hate you. Okay. If you think that we, that maybe energy use should be best bang for the buck. They hate you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. If you think, and I could just go through everything. If you think somebody should be allowed to defend themselves with a gun, they hate you. Okay. They hate the normals, but so does the extreme right right here in Colorado, and I think they sunk our boat.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, we have a lot to recover from. Britta herself and others have a lot of work to do. I talked about that when Dave was, it was evident that he was going to continue down the path of being the Colorado chair for any length of time. I kept saying, guys, I told even his followers this, that no matter what happens, it's going to be a minimum one to two, if not three cycles of normalcy to even get back what we lost during Dave's tenure as GOP chair.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, because we have an image now, man. We got a rep here in this state, and it is awful.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you're one of the normies in this state, you just look at the Colorado GOP and say, they hate me.
SPEAKER 15 :
You shake your head.
SPEAKER 04 :
You shake your head.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and a lot have run away from the party. They went to the independent side. And before any of you out there start spewing out data that says they came back, no, go look at the data again. No, they didn't. They may have came in to actually have an R next to their name for whatever it was during the last election cycle with Trump. But, no, they'll flip right back over, and that's exactly what's happening. So, no, you didn't gain anything. Dave didn't gain anything.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, John, I think you make a very interesting point, though. The extremes on either side just kill the market.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. They kill your product. Because no one wants to be that at the end of the day. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. You can't have an extremist sell your product, period. Look at Bud Light.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, geez. They're still recovering from that one. I know! That one has literally—I read something the other day. I don't know if this is true. I need to validate it. But I read something the other day that they actually threw more Bud Light out than they sold after that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. I didn't know it was that bad.
SPEAKER 15 :
I read something the other day that actually—I've got to double-check that, so don't quote me. I need to verify that. But I read something that said they actually flushed more Bud Light than they sold after that whole debacle. It would not shock me, by the way, because literally there were stores, liquor stores, other convenience stores, et cetera, where literally Bud Light just sat on the shelf, sat on the shelf, sat on the shelf, sat on the shelf.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so you're telling me because I've been thinking for years I need to take up drinking, I could have done it for free.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, and again, yeah, that last guest we had, J.T. Young, I would encourage you guys, if you want to talk about somebody that's extremely wise and smart and gets what's going on and is articulate and has a way of putting things without really any emotion into it, it's literally here are the facts. Yep. Here's how things actually are working on both sides of the aisle. Go follow him because he's an emotionalist factualist when it comes to everything going on that way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, he's brilliant. You know, there are times where I will shoot some tough questions at, you know, our guests, and they'll struggle some. And that's okay, and I understand that. It comes out of the blue.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because they're not ready in some cases.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it comes out of the blue.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not him. Just rattle it right off. He just – he didn't blink. It was amazing. Andy and I were talking during the break. You can tell at times when – and this is not a knock to anybody out there, please, any of their guests we've ever had. Oh, yeah. I'm not saying it that way, but you can really tell when – Somebody is super intellectual, high IQ in a lot of ways just by how certain questions get answered.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know when they're really brilliant by how dumb I feel.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, there's always that with me, Andy. It's like, okay, yeah, you just buried me. I get that. But JT's a guy where literally he thinks for just a second or two and is like, okay, here's your answer.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know. It's great, isn't it?
SPEAKER 15 :
And the thing I liked about him as well is you and I, we're thinking along the exact same lines that he is, that the left, the Democrats, they are in disarray right now because there's nobody keeping things in check right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
And let me tell you something. They have a few JTs that are not being listened to, and they're getting very frustrated.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that's a good thing for us, and we should be capitalizing on that. So, all right, Hour 3 is next. Don't go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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