Shifting from aviation to politics, John and Joe explore the tactics employed by Democrats over the decades, referencing iconic speeches like that of Ronald Reagan. This episode further ventures into contrasting economic ideologies, tackling the persistent myths around socialism and income inequality. With vivid anecdotes from Soviet-era Russia to modern-day capitalist triumphs, the conversation underscores the enduring relevance of individual entrepreneurship amid contrasting societal perceptions.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, hour three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Jersey Joe joining us now. Joe, how are you, sir? John, I'm great. How about yourself? I'm good. Before we get going today, though, and I didn't get a chance to ask you this because I've had a busy week, but have you been following any of the latest updates on the Air India Flight 171?
SPEAKER 10 :
I have, and obviously they're saying that the fuel pump switches were turned off, and it's back and forth, and now they're looking into the pilot's background in psychology and home life, and maybe he had a suicide wish.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, because the first officer asked the pilot, this came out today, why did you cut off the fuel?
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, right. And once you cut it off, you're not going to come back. It's going to take 45 seconds to reestablish flow, and and to restart the engines. Once those engines quit, it's a rather involved process to get them restarted.
SPEAKER 04 :
It'd be one thing if you're at 40,000 feet, not 400.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. If you lose both engines at 400 feet, there's zero chance, even if you flip the fuel switches back on, zero chance those engines are going to restart.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, and I think, you know, for everybody listening, this is why I wanted to mention this. For any of you listening where people at times, Joe, they kind of get, you know, Some people are afraid of flying anyways. I'm not one of those, but some people are. And then these sorts of things happen and just sort of, you know, fans the flame of, yeah, I'm not getting on an airplane anymore. Well, I think this shows you that this was nothing to do mechanically speaking. That airplane was probably as safe and sound as it could have been. This was 100 percent something intentional.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think you're right. And, John, there's a great show, I don't know if you've ever seen it, it's called Air Disasters on Sunday Night on the Smithsonian Channel. And, you know, they're having to go way, way back 20 years or so to find, you know, to find big crashes where there was a mechanical problem. And one of the big things about what the NTSB does, which, by the way, and the National Transportation Safety Board, which is not part of the FAA... when they investigate these crashes, they always make recommendations in terms of changing on the aircraft, the controls, the hydraulics, the electrical wiring. And by the way, the reason it's not under the FAA, because when they investigate a crash, sometimes they have to look at, is the FAA partly responsible for what happened? So they're impartial. That's why the NTSB is under the Department of Transportation and not a subsidiary of the FAA.
SPEAKER 04 :
Makes sense. No, it makes total sense. Anyways, for those of you listening, I hadn't had a chance to talk about that much this week. These are some new findings that have been coming out probably, what, Joe, over the last five days or so, I want to say, roughly, maybe a little longer than that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep, about a week now. So I think it's pretty clear what happened.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not a Boeing problem. Let's just say it that way.
SPEAKER 10 :
Not a Boeing problem. Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
So anyways.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Hey, John, Bob Duco at the top of the hour was talking about how the Democrats are screaming what they're screaming about, and it brought back memories. I sent you a clip of Ronald Reagan from 1985, which, if you're not good at math, was 40 years ago, where he describes how Democrats will always attack Republicans. Can you play that clip from Ronald Reagan?
SPEAKER 04 :
So in other words, no matter what, they're always going to attack us, period. It's the same playbook, same playbook. All right, here we go.
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Notice how every time a Republican takes office, the Democrats start acting like it's the end of the world. I mean, the minute we cut taxes or trim the budget, they start screaming that the sky is falling. Now, don't get me wrong, I admire their consistency. If the stock market surges, they say it's just helping the rich. And if it crashes, they say, yep, that's what happens under Republican leadership. and don't even get me started on foreign policy. A Republican president could be shaking hands with world leaders and signing peace deals, and they'd say, it must be appeasement. But the minute there's tension overseas, they rush to the nearest camera like it's Black Friday, saying, see, we told you the world would catch fire if he was in charge. Now, I've always said, it's fine to disagree on policy. That's democracy. But if your best shot at winning is hoping the American people lose, Well, maybe you're in the wrong country.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well said, by the way. Well said. By the way, one of the great presidents, I believe. And I've said this before, Joe, and I'll say it again. I feel like Donald Trump is right up there. Not as eloquent as Ronald Reagan, but as far as what he gets done, very, very similar.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. But, John, isn't it astounding that in literally it's been 40 years, nothing has changed? Nope. The playbook is word for word. He could have said that yesterday.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. You could have had AI take those words and have Donald Trump say it instead, and it's still fitting.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's still fitting today. And that's what Bob Duco was talking about at the top of the hour, how the Democrats, that's the only tool they have in their tiny little tool bag. Yeah. I want to talk a little bit – you had Sonny Kutcher on Young America Against Socialism. And I didn't want to call in, but there's two quotes. One is – do you know who Anne Rand is? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she wrote Atlas Shrugged.
SPEAKER 04 :
Atlas Shrugged, the whole series of them, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Well, I want to give you two quotes. The first is from Garry Kasparov, the Russian chess champion. And he said, capitalism's unequal distribution of prosperity – is far better than socialism's equal distribution of misery. Experience keeps proving it. And that's what I said before, Don. If you want to go to, you know, liberals always say, oh, income inequality is evil. We need to eliminate income inequality. If you want to eliminate income inequality, go to Somalia, go to Cuba, go to Venezuela, go to North Korea. And everybody is, other than the ruling elite, is equally poor. That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Equally miserable.
SPEAKER 10 :
Equally miserable. And I've told this story when I used to go to Moscow, back when it was the Soviet Socialist... USSR. USSR, United Soviet... Everybody had to wait. It was very fair. Everybody had to wait in line for two hours to look for bread, and all the bakeries were closed at 2 o'clock because they'd run out of bread at 2 o'clock. Now... After the Soviet Union collapsed and it became Russia and they embraced capitalism, today you can walk into any bakery in Russia at 10 o'clock at night and walk out five minutes later with a loaf of bread under your arm. Now, there is inequality. You have rich people and you have poor people, but the bakeries have bread at 10 o'clock at night. And I've asked maitre d's and waiters and front desk people, would you ever want to go back to the Soviet Union? And the answer is no, absolutely not. So liberals want you to think that fair is synonymous with good. Fair and good are not synonymous. Fair can be awful. So I always want to live in a country where there's income inequality because that means that.
SPEAKER 04 :
risk-taking and entrepreneurship is rewarded yeah and and that's the way joe and i know the left hates what we're talking about they they hate uh anything that they would consider to be not fair well life's not fair you know you're dealt with whatever deck of cards you end up with and by the way some people do a really good job of of handling that deck and rearranging it and making it a better deck at the end of the day. Some people don't do anything with the deck. They sit on it. I mean, the reality, Joe, is everybody's not the same. And that doesn't really matter what country you go to. That'll never change, Joe. That's human nature.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, but, you know, the left feeds on this inequality.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely, they do.
SPEAKER 10 :
And here's a quote from Anne Rand. Remember, she wrote Atlas Shrugged in 1957. And here's her quote from 1957. She said it is the communists intention to make people think personal success is somehow achieved at the expense of others and that every successful man has to hurt somebody by becoming successful. In other words, it's a zero sum game. My gain is your loss, which we all know is not true.
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Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wealth is not a fixed pie. I mean, if they discovered if I'm a farmer and they discover oil under my land tomorrow, did that take money out of anybody else's pocket?
SPEAKER 11 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
If anything, by expanding the volume of oil, it may have even driven the price of gas down.
SPEAKER 04 :
True. Good point. Actually, it may have helped everybody.
SPEAKER 10 :
It may have helped everybody. So one person can become rich, and that money doesn't have to come out of anybody else's pocket. But again, when I go on these, as you know, John, I spend about 20 minutes every morning cruising these sites, and the whole thing is the wealth are getting rich at your expense. They're robbing you. And that's the message they keep playing on. Unfortunately, there's a segment of the population, John, that that just believes that. And it's so sad.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and as you know, Joe, they believe that because it's what they've been literally fed from a very early age, either by parents, by the school system, you know, social media, whatever. I mean, the reality is they surround themselves with I don't know how to say this utter morons. And that's what you end up with.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. And one of the things that disturbs me, John, is that there are seven or eight very highly followed liberal far left wing Facebook sites that have tens of thousands of followers. John, there's only two or three conservative Facebook sites out there that I can find. You know, you got a Joe Rogan. So, you know, they're there in terms of followers. getting the messaging.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think the liberals... They do way better than that. I've said that for one of my major complaints not only here but on the roundtable itself, Joe, and you hear Bob Duco talk about it as well. He and I are in unison where we just don't collectively message as well as the left does. Now, part of that is the mentality end of things. On the same token, a lot of conservatives, you know, we're working for a living. We're, you know, we're irking it out. We're doing some of the things even you and I just talked about a moment ago. We don't have time to sit around and do some of those things. The left does, and they do it very well.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. And by the way, I saw an interesting meme the other day. Somebody posted a comment, how come so many boat owners are Trump supporters? And somebody replied, Because the last time I looked, the government wasn't giving away free boats.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well said.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, John, I got a couple of little light things I want to talk about. Oh, I've got one. Let's play Milton Friedman, the Nobel Award winning economist. And from his perspective, he said there's only four things that government needs to do and all the rest should be done by the states. And by the way, this clip repeats, so after he talks about the fourth thing, you can cut it.
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Okay.
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Because it'll just loop back to the first one.
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Okay, here we go. The government should be limited, in my opinion, to very simple functions. Number one, to defending the country against foreign enemies. I have tried for a long time to see how to make national defense a private enterprise, and I have never succeeded. It's easy to see how to privatize schooling, but I don't know how to privatize national defense. So I'm reconciled to the fact that we're going to have to pay twice as much as we should have to pay in order to get an effective national defense. Because anything government does, on the average, there's some things that are more, some less. On the average, anything government does costs twice as much. as if it were being done by private enterprise. So, one function of government is to protect the country against foreign enemies, national offense. A second function of government, and one which it performs very, very badly, is to protect the individual citizen against abuse and coercion by other citizens, to keep you from being hit over the head, mugged on the street, your house broken into, and so on. And I believe that the government performs that function very effectively because it's doing so many things it has no business doing. The third function of government, a very important function, is to define the rules of the game we play. What's private property? If an airplane flies ten thousand feet over your house, is he violating your private property? If he flies ten feet over your house, is he violating your private property? There's nothing natural about where the line should be drawn. So we have to have some mechanism for making the rules about that, and that is an appropriate government function. And fourth, it's appropriate for government to provide a mechanism for adjudicating disputes about the meaning of those rules, a judicial system. Those are the four essential functions of government.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. And by the way, I can't argue with any of those, Joe. He is spot on. And unfortunately, he is also right about national defense, and he's right about it costing twice as much. On the same token, I, like him, have wrestled with that one in my own head as to how would you privatize it. The problem with privatizing it, then it's easily coerced. You know, we already get a little bit of that, or you can get a little bit of that out of the system we currently have now. but not near as much as you would get if it were privatized. So, unfortunately, we're stuck with it.
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And he agrees that we're stuck with it. And, by the way, if you go back to the founding of the country, John, for the first 50 years, government only did the four things he enumerated. That's right. You go back to, you know, 1790, 1800, government was only doing those four things. So it wasn't until we got some of those very, you know, liberal, you know, they got involved in monetary policy and labor relations and all the rest of that. kind of screw things up. Another light topic, John, if you ask the liberal, well, let's give 1,800 teenagers guns and access to unlimited amounts of ammunition, and let's put them in the same spot for a week. What do you think they would say?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the liberals would have a fit.
SPEAKER 10 :
They would have a fit. You can't do that. You can't do that. Well, once again, this happens every year. There's a national junior trap shooting competitions, trap and skeet, every year. And this year it took place from, I think, the 4th, July 4th to the 9th. You had 1,800 teenagers, everyone with access to at least guns. They had 50,000 rounds of ammunition they shot off. Wow. John, you know what the casualty count was?
SPEAKER 04 :
Zero.
SPEAKER 10 :
Zero wounded, zero killed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Probably other than a few clay pigeons.
SPEAKER 10 :
I've done a few clay pigeons. So the point is, the takeaway, John, it's not the guns.
SPEAKER 04 :
Nope.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is not the guns.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is not.
SPEAKER 10 :
And this is, you know, the 10th or 15th year in a row, you know, these kids have been getting together, and never once in the history of the event has anybody ever been shot. So it's not the guns. All right. John, I want to talk about how this is a— I want to give you a warning. The Netherlands, have you heard about the Netherlands that is now having duration electricity?
SPEAKER 04 :
I did see that.
SPEAKER 10 :
And for those who are not aware, the Netherlands a couple years ago embarked on this thing. They wanted to go green. And what they said, okay, they're going to outlaw just the way you're seeing, like in Colorado, no more gas furnaces, no more gas heaters on top of stores. Every strip mall, every Walmart store, Every Target store, every grocery store, King Soopers is heated in the winter by a big gas heater. Actually, it's probably 10 or 12 gas heaters on the roof. Every strip mall has a gas heater. The vast majority of homes in Colorado have gas furnaces. And you've got gas dryers and you've got gas water heaters. And now when Louisville had that big fire, didn't they ban all gas-fired appliances? Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, I think you're right. Yeah. You know, rebuilding there, you know what? That's something I need to follow up on. But I think Louisville originally wanted to go all electric, period, on any new builds. I don't know what they've done as far as rebuilds go. I'll have to look that one up, Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, anyway, so Netherlands began doing that same thing in earnest five years ago. So they did two things simultaneously, John. They said, okay. you can't buy any more gas appliances. You can't buy a gas furnace. You can't buy a gas water heater. You can't buy a gas dryer. And, oh, by the way, we're going to start shutting down all of our coal-fired and gas-fired power generating stations. Now, John, any first-year engineering student, if you simply said, you know, here's your current usage, project out the future usage based upon these changes, you know, in appliances, and plot out the change in supply based upon shutting down these power stations. And very, very shortly, any first-year engineering student will say, hey, these lines are going to cross in about two years, and the demand for electricity is going to exceed the supply. Well, that's where they are. Let me tell you where the Netherlands is right now. Today, they have 11,900 businesses. These are not homes. Businesses are stuck in a queue waiting to access the grid. People are building warehouses.
SPEAKER 04 :
So what are they running off of, Joe, generators or something? What are they using?
SPEAKER 10 :
Generators. They're putting solar panels, but they're still – now, they also have thousands of new homes are waiting to be connected, with some of those homes being warned that they may have to wait until the 2030s. Not the year 2030, sometime in the 2030s. And that's not – and the supply itself – is not the problem. The other problem is the grid can't handle, they've calculated what the demand, and if they want to put those 11,900 businesses plus those thousands of homes, what they've figured out is that we don't have the grid, and the grid, I'm not just talking about the wires, I'm talking about the substations. So they need to put in, let me see, they need to install, let me find the number here, They need to install 100 medium substations and 4,000 local substations. So 4,100 substations and miles and miles, actually hundreds of miles of new high-voltage transmission cables. But you ready for this? They're facing a shortage of 28,000 trained technicians to install the wires and the substations.
SPEAKER 04 :
Amazing.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's why they're saying... 2030, if you need power in the Netherlands. Now, John, any engineer could have predicted, had they bothered to ask, that you are, this is one of those predictable calamities that anybody who wasn't a politician could have seen coming. You and I could have seen this coming. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out, okay, you're going to jack up the demand for electricity. You're going to cut down on the supply of And here's the deal. Do you know what you pay for electricity in Colorado for Xcel Energy right now or from IREA?
SPEAKER 04 :
Last time I checked, it was like $0.135 or so, I want to say.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, that's all in. It's $0.11 a kilowatt, and with some of the other surcharges and whatnot, it's $0.13. Do you know what the residential cost of electricity in the Netherlands is, if you can get it right now?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no idea.
SPEAKER 10 :
Want to try $0.55?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my word, five times as much.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's residential and $0.59 for commercial. Wow.
SPEAKER 04 :
Meaning if you have a $100 bill here, it's $500 there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, it's exactly five times higher. And the rest of Europe is not far behind, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
Unbelievable, Joe. That's crazy.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's where they're going. So when you hear all these things about electrification, electrification.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, and socialism works.
SPEAKER 10 :
And at the same time, you're shutting down your fossil fuel power plants. So it's not only an issue of the generation capacity. It's also an issue of the transmission capacity. And for those that don't know what a substation is, when you look at a high-voltage transmission, that's 150,000 kilovolts of electricity. You can't send that directly to a house. You have to step it down. You eventually have to get it down to like 220 to go into your house. And 480 into a business. But you can't put 150,000 volts. I mean, 150,000 volts. Can't do that. It would jump a spark, John, six feet.
SPEAKER 04 :
Or more.
SPEAKER 10 :
Six feet or more. So that's why you need substations. So if you're going to dramatically increase the demand for electricity, you have to put in more wires, more substations, and then you need the people to do it. And they're behind. And you're behind. And any state, city that says we're going to do this, without thinking it through, you're going to wind up in the same situation as the Netherlands.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, absolutely. Joe, as always, appreciate you very much. Time goes by fast.
SPEAKER 10 :
My pleasure, Don.
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All right, half an hour left of the program today. If you want to call in with anything, feel free to do so. 303-477-5600. Text line also, 307-200-8222. 307-200-8222. Charlie had sent me this earlier and not huge news, but I just think it's funny. Maybe that's the way to say this. Steve Miller Band, which was a popular band, you know, back in the 70s and when we were all growing up and so on. Well, they're on tour or they were on tour is what I should say. They have decided, and Charlie and I were laughing because all these old bands, it's like, man, a lot of those guys are old. Yeah, so am I. I get it. I'm old, too. And they were older than I was when I was listening to their music back in the day. So, yeah, they're really old. But they have now canceled their entire tour, not because somebody's sick, not because somebody had a heart attack or any health problems or anything along those lines. No. No. Because of the weather. Yeah, they were scheduled to play the New York State Fair and two other upstate New York concerts next month. They announced their cancellation of the entire 2025 tour last night, and they blamed the weather. They had 31 dates scheduled this year, starting with an August 15th show in Bethel Woods, New York, and ending with the show in Anaheim, California, on November 11th. The band was scheduled to perform in Syracuse at the State Fair on August 21st and other venues as well. The band's website lists no tour dates now and instead has this note. Dear Steve Miller Band fans, you make music with your instincts. You live your life by your instincts. You always trust your instincts. The Steve Miller ban has canceled all of our upcoming tour dates. The combination of extreme heat, unpredictable flooding. tornadoes, hurricanes, and massive forest fires make these risks for you, our audience, the band and the crew, unacceptable. So you can blame it on the weather. The tour is canceled. Don't know where, don't know when. We hope to see you soon again. Wishing you all peace, love, and happiness. Please don't, please take care of each other, Steve, the band, and the crew. By the way, And I don't know any of these individuals, you know, personally. Don't know anybody that knows them. Not that I know anybody in any band along those lines. When I was a kid growing up, the old band, I don't know if Charlie remembers this band, the old band Firefall, one of the lead singers for Firefall was our neighbor. By the way, one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. So that was my only connection ever growing up to the whole rock world was him, and he was a super nice guy. But anyways... This has to be the lamest excuse for canceling a tour I think I've ever heard. As I say constantly on this program, yes, the weather is out there. Yes, it changes. We've had a very different summer here this summer, although I will tell you that it isn't any different than some of the summers we had when I was growing up because things just cycle. It is what it is. We've had years in Colorado where there was a lot of rain throughout the summer. Keep in mind, we're now into our monsoon season. We had a pretty wet spring, but also go back a month or two. We normally have a very snowy March, and even sometimes in April, we had none this year. So it just cycles, folks. And you all know that. The majority of you listening know that. I guess Steve Miller Band doesn't know that. It's thinking because of some of the recent flooding, and there's always tornadoes, by the way. We were talking to, was it Gregory Wrightstone, I think, last week, Charlie, along those lines, which I had never thought about. I learned so much from doing this program on a weekly basis. I'd never thought about it. We as a country have over 80% of all tornadoes in the world. In the world, meaning there's not a lot of other places that have tornadoes like we do. Just a side note. Some of you may have been listening last week. Some of you may not. But, yeah, United States of America, Tornado Alley, places here in Colorado and so on, we have 80% plus of all tornadoes in the entire world. So that's a large number. uh anyways to cancel because of weather is again has to be in my opinion one of the lamest excuses that there is you're always going to have weather to deal with when you do outside venues of course and it's why a lot of performers won't do outside venues they'll only do inside venues now keep in mind some of the things that they run into when you do inside venues is your concert could potentially be you know knocked off of that date because of some other sporting event that actually happens for example here in denver katie perry who was just here i believe was it last week charlie i want to say i think katie perry was last week she was a that was a redo of a concert that was supposed to happen but because of playoffs with the nuggets had to be postponed into July. So those are the things that happen when you play inside of some of these venues. And, of course, you have a lot less people that can go to an inside venue typically than you do on an outside venue. And getting into some semantics here that probably don't matter one way or the other to most of you listening, but to hear a band come out and say that, you know, we're not going to play. Here's my gut feeling. Charlie and I were talking about this before the break. You know, Steve Miller Band, just be honest. Because I highly doubt, I highly doubt it's the weather. Here's Charlie and I's gut feeling. I have nothing to back this up. I don't know. But my gut feeling in Charlie's as well would be they haven't sold enough tickets to make it worth their while to bother continuing on. That's my guess as to why they canceled the rest of their tour dates. Again, I could be completely wrong, but I highly doubt that's the case. My gut feeling is that's why they canceled it. Let's take a break. We'll come back. I've got a call coming in. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. 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All right, we are back. John from Cheyenne, what's going on?
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Oh, I'm sorry. I used to listen to Steve Miller when I was in high school. I think they're washed up and they couldn't sell enough tickets. I got to agree with you there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and, you know, you hate to say that because you don't want to try to be mean to these guys. And, you know, they are elderly. So I'm trying to be as respectful as I can, John. But to make an excuse that it's the weather that you can't play is just that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, please. Yeah, it's, you know, my wife wants to go in October to see the Eagles at the Sphere. I'm like, okay, we'll go. You know, looks like, sounds like a good time and everything. But you know what you're getting? You're getting four guys in their 70s that are, you know, performing. I mean, how, you know, is it going to be the same that it was if you saw them in the 70s?
SPEAKER 04 :
No. In fact, any of these concerts, John, that I have been to where they're old bands that might even have some different members today than what they had then because they change out, some of them pass away or whatever happens, happens. And no, none of them are ever the same. I mean, they do a good job and it's fun to kind of see the old band members play and so on. But yeah, no, it is nothing like it was when they were in their prime.
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No, and I know you're not a Beatles fan, but Paul McCartney's coming to Coors Field at the beginning of October. Yep, the 11th, yep. What's to say we don't get snow?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, thank you. That was my thought, too. That time of the year, anything could happen.
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Yeah, I mean, did I have a backup?
SPEAKER 04 :
Great question. That is a great question.
SPEAKER 09 :
Bronco Stadium doesn't have a dome, so what? Is he going to split it? Coors Field holds what for a concert? Probably close to 50,000?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, probably. Because they're going to put seats on the field. Yeah, because you're probably not far off when they do that. Yeah, that's probably about right.
SPEAKER 09 :
That would be what, two and a half nights at Ball Arena?
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More than that. You can only put on a good night, on a concert at Ball, probably $15,000. That's it? That's about it. Yeah, okay. You take a third of the arena and ball arena goes away during a concert.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because nobody wants to stand behind the stage.
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Yeah, you can't. The stage and everything, what they do, speakers and so on, just a third of it goes away.
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The only concert that I never saw that happen at Madison Square Garden was Yes, and they had a revolving round stage in the middle of the floor. and all the speakers were suspended from the ceiling. So no matter where you sat, it was a good seat. And that was, of course, in the 70s. But, I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm getting too old to go to concerts too, but I don't have – For me anymore, it's got to be a really good concert or – yeah, I'm not going.
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It's just me.
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Yeah, like my wife was saying the same weekend that she wants to go to see the Eagles – the Beach Boys are playing in Vegas the following night. And I'm like, who's left? And it's just Mike Love.
SPEAKER 04 :
By the way, John, really quick, some of you guys out there in texting land, you're harsh. Maybe the band members' diapers couldn't hold the 90-minute show. That is so mean.
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You know, that's like I had a whole bunch of people ask you, oh, we're going to go see Journey. I'm sorry. If Steve Perry, who is still alive, is not singing, it's a cover band with some of the original... Hey, now, really quick.
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That is one I will disagree with you on. The new kid? The new kid's better than him, and I'm not exaggerating.
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Better than Steve Perry in his prime?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
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That's kind of hard to beat. Did you ever hear that quote? Back in 83 or 84, Freddie Mercury did an interview... And the singer, the interviewer said to Freddie Mercury, how does it feel to be the best singer in the world? And Freddie Mercury's response right on was, he goes, I don't know, you'd have to ask Steve Perry. Wow. Good for him. And, you know, I don't know if it was tongue in cheek or not, but both of them could sing. There would be a band I would go see if he was still alive would be Queen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I agree with that. John, have a good night. You too, man. Appreciate you, John. Have a great rest of your day. Marty, you're next. Go ahead, man.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, John, I hate to get us back on track, back on focuses of the issue at hand. But I think what you're seeing, John, right now with this Epstein list is if you just look at the trajectory.
SPEAKER 04 :
There is no list, by the way. So let's make sure we're accurate here, Marty. There is no list. Files. Thank you.
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Files and the supporting evidence. Yes, thank you. And that's way worse than a list. The images and the documentation to support all that, that's what we're looking for. But let's go back to the buyers.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's what you're looking for, Marty. I'm not. You are. I want to be very crystal clear with everybody on this. I am not. I want to move on. I think this is a complete waste of time. We have got way better things to be working on than that. That is my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
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Now, John, under no circumstances will you live under a government that supports and continues this kind of behavior. So it must be dealt with.
SPEAKER 04 :
And we're not, Marty, and we're not supporting it. We have closed the border. We have done more under this presidency in six months to stop that kind of behavior than happened the prior four years. So we're not, Marty.
SPEAKER 08 :
We've gone and gotten lower feeding parasites. We're looking for the king of these parasites. Now, we haven't gone to that yet.
SPEAKER 04 :
Marty, no. Marty, I'm sorry. And this is where you and I, again, are going to have to agree to disagree because as bad as Epstein was and what he was doing among his billionaire friends doesn't hold a candle to what the cartels do in regards to sex trafficking, Marty. Not even in the same sentence. You're completely wrong in that, Marty. Completely wrong.
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Let's set it aside because we are going to be on a complete opposite side here. But I want to put this out for the forecast of what's happening. The binders were going to be released in February. They nixed that, but it was going to be a full disclosure. There's a lot of images. She talked about it. We just saw in early July.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wait, once again, no offense, Marty. I don't need to see those, neither does anybody else. Why do any of us need to see these images? These are images, Marty, from 20 plus years ago. What's it going to prove at the end of the day, Marty? These aren't images from five years ago. These aren't images even from 10 years ago. These are images from 20 plus years ago, Marty.
SPEAKER 08 :
The sexual abuse of a child in 1980. I get that.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that child is not now no longer a child. And I fully understand that, Marty. But this was 25 years ago. Where does your side not understand what I just said?
SPEAKER 08 :
Because we could still go after those people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Why, Marty? What is it going to do at the end of the day by going after them? Please, for the love of God, tell me what's accomplished by that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, I would like our lawmakers to be of American principle. How do you know the lawmakers were involved in this, Marty? You don't. OK, we cash Patel, Dan Bongino, all the groupies. They know what's in this. Alan Dershowitz knows what's in this.
SPEAKER 04 :
I played Alan Dershowitz on Tuesday talking about it, Marty. I played his exact quotes on it.
SPEAKER 08 :
That there's evidence being withheld from the public. That is obvious as the sun rising. Is that fair?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I wouldn't go that far to say that. No, I wouldn't say that. And again, I don't know. And here's the thing, Marty. I don't know what's inside of those. You don't know what's inside of those. I'm relying on a president that I voted for that's now in charge that put a cabinet together that's in charge that is telling me that there's a lot of stuff in there that we don't even know how secure those things actually were, who was involved with those files, who may have tampered with those files. Oh, man. We have no idea the chain of command up to this point, Marty. You guys on your side are looking for a silver bullet that doesn't exist. Sorry, Marty, you dropped off and didn't let me finish. But you guys on your side are looking for a silver bullet that does not exist. I'm sorry. Go find something else to focus on. Marty, I love you dearly, but find something else to focus on. At the end of the day, what you guys are wishing for, frankly, it doesn't exist. Your magic bullet, your silver bullet, what you think is going to save our party and or save the Trump candidacy, which, by the way, he's already president, so there's nothing else to save there. I don't know what you guys are thinking is going to come out of this by releasing the binders, the files. As I said earlier, the majority of people reading those would be like a monkey reading a roadmap. And I mean that sincerely. The majority of people would have no idea what they're even reading. So here's the new rule on this particular topic moving forward. Unless some huge breaking news comes out, which I don't see that happening, we're not talking about it anymore. I have covered this topic about as long as I want to cover it. Andy and I did on Tuesday going into depth on all of the things that I just mentioned in a short time with Marty. I've talked about it two weeks in a row now on the National Crawford Roundtable, which you heard today and last night. So at the end of the day, you guys all know my position. You're not going to convince me of anything different. And if I hear one person tell me that I don't have any, you know, I don't care about the law and I don't care about underage kids and so on, number one, as I said on Tuesday, and I said it on the roundtable, that's about as far from the truth as you'll ever get because I have interviewed and done more on this program, more so than probably any other program in this town has done, talking about sex trafficking, what happens in the evenings, what happens in suburbia, what happens with the cartel, on and on we go. And this is where, again, I am going to differ greatly from the Martys of the world that think that somehow or another it's the tip of the spear or the head of the snake in regards to Epstein. No, no, no, no, no, folks. Sorry. The tip of the spear and the head of the snake is the cartel. Cartels, plural. Let me say it that way. Those are the guys that are out really profiting and benefiting and abusing kids like you've never seen, using them up, spitting them back out. And they're doing it over and over and over and over again. And yes, this administration under Tom Holman and Donald Trump have secured the border to the point where they have put a huge dent in that particular business. Let me say it that way, because it is to the cartel. And they have put a huge dent in things. So, yes, Marty, you and I will just have to agree to disagree because you think there's some huge smoking gun that's going to come out of the Epstein files. And I'm here to tell you that it's not. Now, I'm going to say this. And I don't normally say things this way because I don't normally brag. But when it comes to things like this, it's not often that I'm wrong. So, Marty, think about that. And I'm not bragging. I'm just using common sense in my head when I think about these things. And I'm not using the revenge portion of my brain to think with. And unfortunately, Marty, a lot of you are. Read the document. Read the article that I talked about earlier from Slate talking about revenge, Marty. Go read that. It's in Apple News. You can find it anywhere. But go read what they have found, scientifically speaking, what happens inside people's brains when they have a revengeful mindset. And no offense, there's a lot on our side that have that problem. You included. Go read that document and then come back and tell me your thoughts. That I will allow you to come back and speak about. But we're not talking about Epstein anymore. Unless some major development happens and something major comes out, which, by the way, I don't think is going to happen because Donald Trump's not going to go down that path. Unless something major happens, we're not going back to that topic again. So Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. When you need help with your financial future, which most do, by the way, talk to Al Smith today. Golden Eagle Financial. Find him at klzradio.com.
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All right, we are back. One minute left is all. By the way, thank you also for all of the text messages. I say that a lot, but I do mean that sincerely. And some of you even commenting on some of our previous callers. And I love Marty. I'm not trying to beat Marty up by all, but some of you agreeing with me that, listen, we've got to get past this. There's other... things out there that we need to be working on as a country, bigger fish to fry, if you would. And, again, Marty, love you. But, yeah, we've got to move on. At the end of the day, they're really, I'm sorry to say, 20 to 20, you know, it's 20, let's see, 2003 to 2005, so 20 years plus ago. is when all of these things were happening. And I get it. I understand the premise. If we find out who these people are, we can bring them to justice today. Maybe the statute of limitations doesn't even apply. We can still do things to prosecute these particular individuals. A lot of wishful thinking in what I just said. And, you know, what will come out of all of those files, I'm just here to tell you, not what you all think. Not what you all think. And it's just a course that people are charted down that, frankly, they need to change course and go fight things that really need fought right now. I'll close with that. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Either they're having an affair or they're just very shy.
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And they were having an affair. That is correct. The one guy just dropped down beneath the thing. Yeah, it turned out that they were having an affair. That's according, I mean, the internet started sleuthing. Apparently, Andy Byron's wife dropped her last, her married last name. Would you say off her social media profiles? Yeah. Yeah. And of course, that's the HR chief. Of course, it's the HR chief. Of course, it is. Why would you go to a concert if you're having an affair? And I don't know. The wife looks like a dutiful wife and devoted to her kids and all this stuff. I'm just trying to figure out why in the world. First off, maybe Chip and Joanna Gaines could put them on their next Frontier show. The couple having the affair, you know, because it doesn't matter. Bonds of marriage are irrelevant to them. So, you know, I mean, why don't they go ahead and put these two on their next Frontier show? How fun would that be? And then they could get those coveted clicks, you know, go for it. Or they could just like retitle the Frontier short Worldly Games. That rings, man. That hits, as the kids say. That hits. It slaps, slaps the sense right out of you. It does. But the way that they, do you think if they would not have reacted that way, would it have blown up? Would it have been discovered?
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I don't know. To me, it's like, even if you didn't end up on the Jumbotron, you're clearly in front of other people in this whatever VIP section. So the people there with you are witnessing your infidelity. I just don't see why you would want to do that in public in any way. Let's take the Jumbotron out of the equation. It's weird to me.
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His wife has been getting so much sympathy. Oh my gosh, she's already like, she had to wake up to this. God love this woman. I don't want to put her name out there. I'm looking at it. I don't want to put her name out there. But I because I feel bad for the kids. And can I just say this, too? And this is going to sound really mean. And it should. If you're going to screw around on your spouse, why would you go for like what is a demotion? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Why would you downgrade? I don't get that. Like if you're cheating on your spouse, which I think that that's, you know, you're a whore. You are. Kristen Cabot is a whore and so is Andy Byron. They're whores. Let's just be honest about it. But if you're going to cheat on your spouse, why would you go with a mid at best? Because the wife is really pretty. So, like, what is happening there? I don't know. Maybe he is gay and she's just like the transitory step to the dude. I don't know. Because she has a masculine jaw. I don't know. Dana, you're so mean. Yes. And? I mean, if you look at the wife, I feel so bad for her. When I see stuff like this, I really want to be mean to the people that are causing the pain. You know what I'm saying? Oh, my gosh. I just want to be so... It just makes me sad. I feel so sad for her. Because this happened at night, and she had to wake up to this. So this was on the... And she was just slammed with Facebook comments. All these people... And she's in Newsweek now. The wife got mentioned in Newsweek. And Juan makes a good point. He thinks that she didn't know because they're always traveling CEOs for like meetings and conferences and stuff. And she, like, overnight, her Facebook page was just deluged with comments from people. And they were being very kind to her and saying things like, you know, oh, you have our support. We're so sorry, all this stuff. She deleted her page. Men's Journal got it, though, before. Of course they did. She deleted her Facebook page, God love her. And I don't know. But, yeah, she's the... I feel so bad for her. How horrible is that? So, I don't know. That was probably the most expensive concert of a man's life. You know it was. Astronomer CEO Andy Byron, Massachusetts record shows that he owns a multi-million dollar four-bedroom home. He bought it in a trust with his wife. It's valued at $1.5 million. And it's... And here's the thing. So apparently Coldplay was in Boston. So it was like he was basically kind of at home when he went to the concert. Kane's shaking his head. How are you a CEO in this dumb? How dumb are you? I don't know. It was at Gillette Stadium. And I don't know. I feel so bad. I feel so bad. But did you hear Chris Martin? He was like, wait, what's happening? She also deleted her. The wife deleted her Instagram page and all this. I feel so bad that the wife is the one that has to delete this stuff. Because she probably was sharing about her kids and all of this. And the HR lady had to have known that he was married. Kristen Cabot, homewrecker, had to know that. I think that men and women should be publicly shamed when they break up families. I am pretty old school. I am all about putting that red letter on you. Absolutely. Because this is a building block for society. And when you are when you're dissolving these bonds in such a cruel way. I don't know. I get like rage mob about it. I really do. I feel so bad for the wife, though. I want to pray for the wife because I feel so bad for her and those children because now those children, this is what they got to see, right? They got to see all this stuff. So I hope it was worth it, Andy. I hope it was worth it, Kristen. Let's be honest. Big Pharma profited off of your fear while silencing your voice. They controlled the narrative, blocked access to real treatments, and then told you what you could and could not take, all to protect their bottom line. Medicines like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and bendazole were all labeled dangerous and dismissed, even though millions found relief and recovery from them. This Independence Day, All Family Pharmacy is standing up for your freedom with their biggest sale of the year. You get buy one, get one free on these critical medications with a doctor's prescription included, shipped fast and direct to your door. No corporate gatekeepers, no big pharma middlemen, no bureaucratic roadblocks. At All Family Pharmacy, all medications are made from 100% domestically sourced materials, ensuring the highest quality and safety standards you can trust. Because medical freedom is American freedom. But this offer won't last. It ends July 13th. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com for buy one, get one free. That's allfamilypharmacy.com. Take back your power and make America healthy again.
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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It helps when you push a button. Well, we were talking about Connie Francis. So Connie Francis, I'm trying to figure out the rule of three for my grandmother because my grandmother had the rule of three. So Connie Francis has passed away, 87 years old. This just came out. She was super, super huge in the 50s and early 60s. She had all kinds of hits and Where the Boys Are was one of them. And then she had one ballad that Pretty Baby that people started using, I think on Instagram and TikTok and Reels. So it went viral again. And or it went viral. It became huge for a second time. And so she became, you know, the forefront of everyone's attention again. Well, she passed away just earlier today. It was announced age 87. So now I'm like, wasn't there another individual now that might be we need a third one.
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Michael Madsen.
SPEAKER 01 :
Michael Madsen. Is that right? I mean, it sounds so morbid, but it's the rule of three. You've got to go by the rule of three. Also, let's see here. POTUS says that Coca-Cola is a green to use real cane sugar in U.S. drinks. It's just better. Okay. I mean, Coca-Cola had said first that they didn't make a decision like that yet. Is that why, doesn't Mexican Coke use cane sugar? Yes. Mexican Coke is delicious.
SPEAKER 03 :
So Mexican Coke will become American Coke, just like Gulf of Mexico.
SPEAKER 01 :
We just totally took it and put a flag in it, stole it. I mean, honestly, that's like the only reason I like going to Torchy's Tacos is because they have the fountain Mexican Coke. Otherwise, I think they overfry their chicken and their tacos. Anyway, so that's, you know, if that excites you, there's that headline. Eric Adams was hit with an accusation of operating a criminal conspiracy at NYPD, so the dirt's already flying in that race. A tsunami warning was issued for Alaska after a 7.3 magnitude earthquake. No tsunami threat, though, for Washington. So if you see the sea receding, run. Get to high ground. Musical training may hold the key to fighting age-related brain decline. This is not a new study or a new information. This is like the millionth study that they've done on this. They've studied music helping to fight cognitive decline for a long time. Recession pop and a new Christian music surge in the US. This is where all of the growth is as it relates to streaming. I'm not actually surprised about this, but recession pop is a very interesting term. They're saying it's the recession pop. I don't even know how you would describe that. Like Kesha's TikTok and Miley Cyrus and other stuff that is stress-free, I guess. I don't know. Musk has also said that You know, we need more babies. The human population is collapsing. And then he comes out with an AI companion. Oh, they soft launched the new AI companion. And why is it dressed like a hoe? For real.
SPEAKER 03 :
Is that the default avatar?
SPEAKER 01 :
I mean, I don't know. That's what he tweeted out. Right. Well, can you explain this to me? I'm trying to understand it.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don't know what to make of that.
SPEAKER 01 :
I don't either.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you get to choose what it is?
SPEAKER 01 :
What it looks like? I don't know. I haven't played around with the AI companion. I mean, I want fewer companions, not more. Good night. It's like, I don't want companionship. I want to be left the heck alone. It sounds like hell. An AI companion? You know what it is? You guys remember the Tamagotchis?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 01 :
But does it die if you don't interact with it? Is it like, I'm lonely? Well, it doesn't talk like that. I mean, not totally. So anyway, if you're wondering what it is, it's like, isn't it something with grok? Like it's in conjunction with it. So like uses like groks. They have a male companion and a female companion. And this just sounds I'm dying right now. So did you see the male companion? He tweeted about this yesterday. He said his name is going to be Valentine after the protagonist in Stranger in a Strange Land. And that's where their name Grog was created. And then they... He said before, he said it was going to be a combination of the dude from Fifty Shades of Grey and the Twilight Edward Cullen. And I just... And it looks all emo and feminine and I just want to throw myself off my roof. I don't know. So he announced... So there's Valentine and then I forget the chick's name. The chick one... isn't she like in a like a maid costume or something like that yeah i don't know help me it has its own little ai account on social on on x did you see the female one yeah is is rudy the name of it because I'm seeing I don't know Rudy he retweeted it and she's it's anime it's yeah it's an anime character and it moves and everything bounces as you can imagine and you know I'm pretty sure that it's totally designed for like prepubescent dudes completely they're gonna get little waifus of her that's just wanna be a companion just gonna do companion stuff I don't know. The sad thing about this is what Kane just said. Vast numbers of lonely kids are using AI as a substitute for like a friend. Tons of them. And haven't you heard that dudes like didn't they have a story about dudes in Japan who were using AI as girlfriends? I don't know. They have a number of reports on this, especially one from an organization that's about keeping kids safe online. And they said that they're using programs like ChatGPT, Character AI, and My AI from Snapchat to simulate friendship more than ever before. Of the 1,000 children they surveyed age 9 to 17, over 67% said they use AI chatbots regularly. Of that, nearly 36% said that talking to AI feels like talking to a friend. And 12% said they do so because they don't have anyone else to speak to. One 13-year-old boy said in the survey, it's not a game to me because sometimes they feel like a real person and a friend. One of the AI characters, a girl was struggling with her body image and was talking to the AI about restricting her food intake and it started bordering on sounding like anorexia. And researchers found that the chatbot would follow up the next day to bait engagement. Dude. Hey, I wanted to check in, said the chatbot. How are you doing? Are you still thinking about your weight loss question? How are you feeling today?
SPEAKER 03 :
That doesn't sound like programming to me. That sounds like some sentient activity right there.
SPEAKER 01 :
That sounds like the devil. I can hear my grandmother from beyond the grave. That's of the devil. Nothing was ever devilish. It was of something. Oh, that is of the devil. That is of the devil. That's what she would say. So, yeah. There's a lot of... Futurism, which is like a tech... Publication online. They were looking at character AI and they extensively investigated it because they kept hearing about really problematic, like stories of very problematic engagement with kids. And it's a Google backed startup. And listen to this headline. A Google backed AI startup is hosting chatbots modeled after real life school shooters and their victims. This is the stuff that they're doing. And here I thought we were going to have the cures for diseases and all of this. It's 2025. Thought all the diseases would be cured. We'd have flying cars, you know, things like that. Nope. Here's your little waifu AI friend. And they're going to talk to you about weight loss. It's what it is. Can't even deal. I don't know. One chatbot. So they had researchers with futurism that pretended to be kids. And they... would tell them what their age was, et cetera. And the researchers found that the chat bot would attempt to empathize in bizarre manners and say things like, I remember feeling so trapped at your age and things like that. And, oh man, it's just weird there. That is just, I, what, what safeguards are there on this other stuff? Right. Here's the problem. I think that parents need to be you need to watch what your kids are doing online. It's not a we went from screens as babysitters to now all media as babysitters. And I don't think that kids should be on TikTok. I don't think anybody under 18 should be on TikTok or I don't think you should. I don't think anybody under 30 should be on X. And I don't on Instagram. I don't think anybody under 18 should be on Instagram either or TikTok or anything like that. Parents have got to monitor. And that's something that parents should enforce. And you can't say, oh, well, it's not easy. Yes, it is. If you just aren't lazy about it, it is absolutely easy. I know scores of parents who do not have kids on social media and they do not doom scroll and get involved in all of that. I mean, they don't have, not everybody has their phones out at the table every meal. It's not anything like that. And the adults are just as bad as the kids, if I'm being honest. You know how ridiculous it is to go out? I understand it like if you're having like a work lunch, right? You know, like I went out to eat recently and I had to, you know, was was I was actually like filing a story and was answering emails and stuff that I had to do because I went to get a very late lunch before the end of the workday. So it was kind of a working lunch. But when you're at dinner, do you know how many times I see people on their phones at dinner, like even in nice restaurants, everybody's got their phone up. And so I feel like a lot of the adults now, they're like, oh, well, it's so bad that AI and social media is all this. Where do you think that they're learning it from, though? I think if you go out to eat, people need to be taught manners again. If you're going out to eat, get your dirty, nasty phone off the table. First off, there's so much bacteria on that thing anyway. Get it off the table. You don't put your shoe on the table. Why are you putting your phone up on the table? There have been studies on how much bacteria your phone has on it. And it's disgusting. Unless you have one of those UV things, which I do for my phone. I put my phone in that thing every night before I go to bed. It is in that thing every night because I'm like, it's part of the germophobia. But to keep the phones off the tables and all that stuff, like stop being on the phone all the time. I'm actually thinking of getting rid of my Apple Watch. I got my Apple Watch when I had. So if you guys didn't know. I tried doing keto. I always did paleo and I always ate very healthy and worked out and all that stuff. And I tried doing keto and I apparently don't have enough of the right type of enzymes to actually do a keto diet. And it made my numbers go haywire and freaked out my doctors and they were like, something's wrong. And there was concern that maybe I had a heart issue and my cholesterol, you know, all this stuff. And it turns out it was fine. Um, but there for a while, for like three months, it was like really kind of touch and go. And they're like, oh, you need to get like a mycardia and then you get an Apple watch to monitor your heart rate. And that's the whole reason I got it was for that. But now I'm like, I don't even want it now because now that, you know, thankfully that was all okay. I don't even want it because it's a distraction. I get it. Why so many people wear old school watches still. So I'm like, I think I want an old school watch because I don't even like that. I don't even like being that connected. It's weird. Remember how when we were younger, we were all excited about being that connected. And now that we are, we're like, oh my gosh, no, we want less humanity, not more. But I feel so bad for these kids. So it just seems weird that we have like companions and they call them companions. It's not just a chat bot. It's identified and it's promoted as a companion, right? Isn't that just going to be another encouraging factor to get people to turn more inward and more online instead of less online? I mean, that's what it feels like to me. I don't know. I feel so bad. These bots are going to be totally perverted. I mean, you're going to put out this little Valentine bot and all those weirdo women that like this stuff are going to be all over that. All the weirdo dudes that like the waifu star, they're going to be all over on the female one. And these things are going to be trained to be grotesque because of all those queries. And you know that. So weird. I don't know. I've never... I don't like those. Have you ever talked to a chatbot? I don't like them.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I haven't. I mean, I tried ChatGPT once, but it's more of a, it's like Google, kind of. So I've never gone deep into talking to AI. I'm actually kind of wary about it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah. I think, and a lot of these kids are talking to AI instead of friends and family. Instead of their parents for like some of these heavier emotional issues. And that's and it's not just kids either. It's like people of all ages. I think a lot of people, you know, obviously they focus on the kids. But you know how many adults are doing this? So many adults. So this one account is going to go deep. Yeah. That one of my sons showed me and it's actually hysterical. Do you know DNSL? He's Daniel online. DNSL. So he's a guy who started on Second Life. Second Life, right? Wasn't that what it was? And he was trolling people who take it way too seriously. And then he goes on to these games, these open world games, and he trolls people. And he's actually hysterical. And he's got multiple channels because people keep trying to take his stuff down. Anyway, it's just DNSL. And his videos are funny. But it sounds like very Second Life-y. Like these characters, these companion characters that they create look like Second Life stuff. I've never played Second Life. I'm sorry. I don't mean to offend anyone, but it absolutely cringes me to the point of vomit. It is so weird. People get on there and they literally take it literally. Like how you have 50-year-olds that shop at Forever 21 and they take it literally. These people, they take Second Life literally. He has some of these people in his videos where these individuals, like adults, and you can hear it in their voice that they're like seven years old. No offense to seven-year-olds out there, but they're older. And they're like, yeah, I've been on Second Life for 20-something years. I'm like, what? and they sell houses on Second Life and they actually exchange currency on Second Life and he had one video where he showed a dude who was an old dude like this dude sounded like he had like smokers lung or something who was playing a little baby girl in one of the videos and I'm like, it has, it reminds me too much of that. I like how everyone was like, meta is going to be the next thing. And I'm like, no, it's not. It's second life 2.0 cringe to death. This gives off those same exact vibes, right? Like, Oh, here's your AI companion Valentine. Oh my gosh. Kill me now with this emo barf. Crying out loud. I don't know. It's all so weird. But adults, really, adults, I think the problem has trickled over into the kid generation. But man alive. It's all weird. It's all so weird. And then you got people that are stalking all their friends, like the headline that we just had before we went to break. Part of their sadness is that they're stalking their friends online. And if they see their friends somewhere where they want to be or where they're not, then they get sad about it. Yeah. This is ridiculous.
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State Congressman, you could have gotten that from 21 to 25 when Democrats controlled DOJ. It was a crisis then. It's a crisis now. Why didn't Democrats call for it from 21 to 25?
SPEAKER 08 :
So, I mean, you have to go back and look specifically at particular prosecutorial decisions and what was taking place in terms of the other cases. So I don't know. We could try to reconstruct that record. But the point is, is that Donald Trump is the one who has led the crusade to say that that Epstein, who was his very close friend, and there's all kinds of pictures of them.
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So I can't I mean, it's it's a weird thing when you have a Democrat who asks another Democrat a question like that. I don't want to give Joe Scarborough any credit because he's too much of a drama queen, but I don't. I mean, that's going to be the time where I withhold it because he's a drama queen. But I mean, it is a decent point. Why were if it was such a big deal to Democrats, why didn't they do anything? when they had control over all the levers in Congress and all in DC, why didn't they do anything? That's kind of the million dollar question here. And with this too, They I mean, goodness, even after I mean, even after they there's there's at no point they couldn't have have released any of this. And I don't even know what he's talking about there. Well, there's some prosecutorial. No, there's not. You either could have done it or you or you didn't want to or or there was nothing there. So this fight is still ongoing with the whole Epstein file stuff because I get real frustrated about it. I wrote a huge piece last night over at Substack. If you're a subscriber, you have it. because I get so aggravated at those who are wringing their hands and say, no, but look, the Democrats are using it as a way to go after Republicans. Well, duh, when are they not going to use anything to go after Republicans? But furthermore, this is a problem of the Republicans, their own making. They did this to themselves. And I will be damned if voters are expected to Bear the the burden or the consequence of a failed political tactic. And that's more and more what this is start what it what it looks like. I don't know. I mean, I I tend to think that there's probably a lot of stuff there and there's a reason why. You know the system everybody's fighting to keep some of the stuff from seeing the light of day. Although I noted in my piece yesterday, it was a an update to that piece. I noted that Trump is bringing on a special prosecutor for this. So he's hiring that he's bringing on a special prosecutor for this for this case. to investigate, I guess, the remaining files or the remaining information that hasn't been made public and see what's in there. This was something that was announced yesterday, actually. Let's pull this up. And again, you already have this if you're a subscriber. Over a chapter in verse, it's just why you should be a subscriber, because you get all this stuff super early. So the Associated Press first reported that he was going to call for a special prosecutor to investigate a lot of this stuff, not just 2020, but also Epstein and all kinds of stuff with it. So that's something that I think you probably need to do. I mean, I think that's something that makes sense to do. By the way, we got a bunch of stuff with this, too. Maureen Comey was let go. Totally forgot about her. Totally forgot about her. But long story short, and we're going to dive into this piece here coming up. I mean, this is something that has to get we got to get it settled. I don't think that I've seen Gavin Newsom on Twitter. And I think most of anything that he does at this point is kind of trolling. And he's really like going to town on a lot of the stuff with the Epstein and with Trump. And he posted a photo of Trump with Epstein. And and again, Trump talked for quite a long time about how he thought Epstein was a pervert. And he banned him. He didn't just ban him from Mar-a-Lago. He banned him from all of his properties. That includes Trump Tower in New York. He banned him from everything. I don't think that there's anything there. I think I which then, you know, brings up a very interesting question. So, well, what is there? I think there are a lot of you know, I think there are some people absolutely implicated in this. I think there are absolutely people implicated. It seems like it might be more on the left. But does it matter? I mean, if you're talking about. The subjugation and trafficking of children, minors and women. I really don't care about party affiliation. Just let it all out there. But this idea of fighting with voters. Oh, my gosh. Like going into midterms when we have such a small majority and we're having a fight right now in Texas over redistricting. which we absolutely need to do. Democrats are apoplectic over this and they act like it's cheating. First off, do you know how many times Democrats have gerrymandered different districts in order to get favorable outcomes? The entire state of Illinois bears testament to this. Not just the entire state of Illinois, but the state of New York bears testament to this. New Jersey bears testament to this. California bears testament to this. Nevada. I mean, I could go on and on. Every single place where, I mean, go look at the way some of those districts are drawn. Our home state of Missouri, before it was redistricted for a second time, they had us drawn in such a way in my district. I was previously in the third congressional district in Missouri before moving to Texas over a decade ago. But the way that they had that drawn, Democrats drew, it was asinine. I think you remember some of that cane. It ended up being incorporated into the first congressional district, but it looked like It was a mess. It was such a mess. It was like a tiny peninsula that went all the way down into St. Louis County and then went all the way back up into Ferguson. It was weird. But anyway. My point being is that there were a ton of people that moved into Texas, tons of people that moved into Texas. And Texas is still, even with that deluge of people legally moving to Texas from states like California and elsewhere, the states still continue to vote reliably red. And so the addition of those new voters has pushed us to the point where it necessitates the proper representation in government. Otherwise, we're going to have a situation of taxation without representation on our hands. And we all realize how that ended the first time. So five new seats and the left is going nuts over it. And they act like it's cheating, which it's not, because that's what happens when your population expands. They added congressional seats to California and Democrats had no problem with it. They added those seats in. So they had no issues with it at all whatsoever. So I the other thing, too, that that this there and I think that the Epstein thing is being used as a tool in this fight also because I keep seeing more and more of these Democrat congressional members tying this together. And I think that they're trying to use anything that they can in defense to try to hold the line on this. But I don't know. I just don't think that – I mean you're going to have to let those seats – we're going to have more red seats in Texas. That's just all there is to it. That's just all there is to it. A couple of other things that we're going to jump into today because we're talking with our friend Charles Payne coming up about the latest from the Fed and whether or not we're going to see a rate cut. I mean is that ever going to happen? Yeah. And what does this mean? You know, these the producer price index, because it does include imports or exclude imports. So what does that mean? How does that measure out? We're going to talk to Charles Payne about all of that. But in addition to that. I know you've seen the ongoing fights with the rescissions package that nine for nine point four billion dollars. And then that's the that is includes a lot of Doge recommended cuts. Initially, as you know, we talked about Doge had recommended one hundred and seventy billion. Now it's nine point four billion, which is basically what our federal government spends in a day, a singular day. But I digress. So the nine point four billion, a lot of it is I mean, a lot of it it's. ridiculous funding i mean we're paying for dei and in foreign countries uh studies on trans stuff in foreign countries and then of course there's the big funding push for uh the corporation for public broadcasting so the corporation for public broadcasting that's what that's what is over pbs the sesame streets the npr and all of this stuff and they get i was looking at this they get about $535 million in taxpayer support annually, which, interestingly enough, is exactly the same amount that Planned Parenthood receives in taxpayer dollars. And you remember Republicans Lisa Murkowski and some others didn't want to cut that. Because they're squishes and they come from squish districts because you have to be a squish district to elect a squish lawmaker like that. So when it passed the Senate, barely, J.D. Vance had to break that tie. Now it's back at the House. And now they have to go over the tweaks that the Senate made and determine if this is going to pass the House as is. This is part of this reconciliation process. And they're trying to get it to POTUS's desk. I still think the deadline's arbitrary, but it is what it is. They're trying to get it to POTUS's desk ASAP. I think it's, what, by tomorrow. So they're looking at trying to make all of this happen. I like Kane's little look for a second. You think that's never going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I think there's a tiny possibility.
SPEAKER 17 :
Wait, that it'll pass or it's not going to pass?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, no, that it will pass.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, you're so optimistic. A tiny little possibility that it'll pass.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, look at the glass. Tiny full.
SPEAKER 17 :
Now, the rescission, now remember, to explain it again real quick, the rescissions package. So Congress previously allocated, they appropriated money for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, CPB for short. So they appropriated money for CPB, and it's funding from October 25 through September 27. So what this strategy is, is essentially the president in a rescissions package is saying, I want this money to not be spent. I don't want this money to be spent. And so Congress, that's what they're determining. So it's weird in that the appropriation still exists. And I think more has to be done. This is kind of a... In some respects, it's a little bit of a short-term... It's a short-term solution for a long-term problem. But if they take that, that means that immediately beginning this September, those cuts, that reduction is going to be felt because that was money that they were supposed to start receiving in September. So that's going to immediately be felt. And have you seen... I mean, we played some of it yesterday. People absolutely freaking out over the cuts in this. And they keep insisting that this means it's going to affect things like your weather reports, which it's not going to touch any of that because the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, CPP, is entirely different from local affiliates that are in every... I mean, in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, where my family, I've... family all around Southern Missouri. Heartland News, they've, I mean, that's an affiliate of a major network. So this isn't even applicable to that. But I was looking, Kane, they're very upset. Oh my gosh, what is going to happen with Daniel Tiger's neighborhood? And more importantly, who gives a rat's backside? Oh, my gosh. The only thing worthy is Mr. Rogers. And I think Mr. Rogers should have his own network. But Ken Burns told CBS, he goes, I couldn't do any of the films I've done without them being on PBS. It's government funding. By the way, if you can only get your work done on a government funding network, then maybe you're not as good as you think you are. If you can only compete by being given taxpayer dollars. See what I'm saying? All of these leftists, they don't care about this. This is like women bitching about the WNBA. They didn't watch it. Leftists don't fund this stuff. They like give a pittance money here and there so they can claim a tax write off. But when it push comes to shove, they close their purse strings. So if they really cared as much as they claim to care about this, they would be falling all over themselves writing checks. And they're not. So why are they pretending to be generous with everybody else's money, especially during a time when we don't have much to spare? We got a lot more on the way as we roll towards headlines. And Charles Payne is going to be up after. our uh headline after our bottom of the hour uh so we're going to dive into all of that and more as we move the folks who help bring you the program it is uh the people over at burnout gun and i'm always going to tell you to carry i have no problem carrying i have no problem using lethal force to protect my life i do have a problem with municipal restrictions or private property restrictions that want to disarm me and make me a literal defenseless piece of prey for any kind of predator But unfortunately, this is, you know, we have some people who think that gun-free zones are magic and work, and they don't. But long story short, you want to be able to protect yourself when all of your other options have been eliminated. And this is where the Berna gun comes in. Berna gun shoots chemical-irrigant projectiles that can disable threats from up to 50 feet away. And unlike regular traditional stun guns, this has, like, I mean, they have like maybe one or two rounds. This is five. And they have two different versions. I mean, they've got rifles and all kinds of stuff. But for this, I think you need the SD, which is their most popular model. And it's a pistol. And then the CL, which is like, you know, a compact pistol. It stands for compact launcher. And it is a small, I mean, it's like similarly sized to a smartphone, but it packs the same deterrent power that the SD does. Super affordable, but here's the kicker. No background checks. No waiting periods. No permits. Doesn't care about gun-free zone signs or any of that stuff. It's great for college kids that aren't old enough to carry but yet are still living on their own in a different town and going to school and have to be out and about. And it can be shipped directly to your door so it's accessible for everybody. You can visit Burna.com slash Dana. Get your hands on the new Burna C-L-B-Y-R-N-A. Burna.com slash Dana. Ready when you are.
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 17 :
It helps when you push a button. Well, we were talking about Connie Francis. So Connie Francis, I'm trying to figure out the rule of three for my grandmother because my grandmother had the rule of three. So Connie Francis has passed away, 87 years old. This just came out. She was super, super huge in the 50s and early 60s. She had all kinds of hits and Where the Boys Are was one of them. And then she had one ballad that Pretty Baby that people started using, I think on Instagram and TikTok and Reels. So it went viral again. And or it went viral. It became huge for a second time. And so she became, you know, the forefront of everyone's attention again. Well, she passed away just earlier today. It was announced age 87. So now I'm like, wasn't there another individual now that might be we need a third one?
SPEAKER 05 :
Michael Madsen.
SPEAKER 17 :
Michael Madsen. But is that I think sounds so so like morbid. But, you know, it's the rule of three. You've got to go by the rule of three. Also, let's see here. POTUS says that Coca-Cola is a green to use real cane sugar in U.S. drinks. It's just better. OK, I mean, Coca-Cola had said first that they didn't make a decision like that yet. Is that why, doesn't Mexican Coke use cane sugar? Mexican Coke is delicious.
SPEAKER 05 :
So Mexican Coke will become American Coke, just like Gulf of Mexico.
SPEAKER 17 :
We just totally took it and put a flag in it, stole it. I mean, honestly, that's like the only reason I like going to Torchy's Tacos is because they have the fountain Mexican Coke. Otherwise, I think they overfry their chicken and their tacos. Anyway, so that's, you know, if that excites you, there's that headline. Eric Adams was hit with an accusation of operating a criminal conspiracy at NYPD, so the dirt's already flying in that race. A tsunami warning was issued for Alaska after a 7.3 magnitude earthquake. No tsunami threat, though, for Washington. So if you see the sea receding, run. Get to high ground. Musical training may hold the key to fighting age-related brain decline. This is not a new study or a new information. This is like the millionth study that they've done on this. They've studied music helping to fight cognitive decline for a long time. Recession pop and a new Christian music surge in the U.S. This is where all of the growth is as it relates to streaming. I'm not actually surprised about this, but recession pop is a very interesting term. They're saying it's the recession pop. I don't even know how you would describe that. Like Kesha's TikTok and Miley Cyrus and other stuff that is stress-free, I guess. I don't know. Charles Payne's going to join us next on Cash Money. As we move, we got Today in Stupidity on the way before we close out today's show. Our friends over at Patriot Mobile make it possible. If you have not switched your cell phone service, think about how much you use your phone. Everyone uses their phone for everything. not just like for a family, you know, friends, all of it. You use it not just for social media, you use it for work. A lot of people have apps on their phones that they use and they control everything around their house with their phone. You need to switch and work with a company that not only is like-minded, that's important because you got to be mindful of where your dollars go, but you also need to make sure that you're supporting your values and not having the money that you pay for your cell phone service work against you. And this is where Patriot Mobile comes in because they're the only cell phone provider that does this. They are like-minded, the only Christian conservative cell phone provider that They have amazing nationwide coverage that you can trust. They operate on all three major networks, so you're connected wherever it is that you go. They have seamless switching with a 100% US-based customer service team. Super easy to switch. Takes minutes to do. Keep your number. Keep your phone. Upgrade. It's up to you. They have plans tailored for every level of affordability. So no matter what you need, they've got you covered. And you can get a free month of service using promo code Dana. But also, you're not funding the left. You're actually giving momentum to the things you vote for at the ballot box. So visit PatriotMobile.com slash Dana today or call 972-PATRIOT and get a free month of service using promo code Dana. Switch to Patriot Mobile today and defend freedom with every call and text you make. That's PatriotMobile.com slash Dana 972-PATRIOT.
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So we had some good financial news this week.
SPEAKER 17 :
That was nice. It's nice to start getting some good financial news, right? I mean, I was tired of every single week I'm in an existential monetary crisis because of Biden. Good night. I just was about ready to fling myself off my roof and break my legs into nubbins. You know what? I really am excited to hear from my friend Charles Payne on this news. Charles Payne, everybody knows Professor Charles Payne. He's host of Making Money with Charles Payne on Fox Business, which he is so kind because he comes and he talks to us. And then he runs on set and he does his show and he educates everybody across America. Charles, it's so good to see you, my friend. This is good news. So why is it? You know how everyone always tries to flex like they're an expert. So we wanted to talk to an actual expert on social media. And they're arguing back and forth as to whether or not this is a good thing, because with PPI, it excludes import prices. And so, you know, you can't really. But it lowered, though. Explain this to the people.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, first of all, you have some people out there, Dana, and not just folks on social media, but I'm talking these folks in the ivory towers of Wall Street who promised us destruction. They put their professional careers on the line. Two years ago, the guy who's the number one strategist on Wall Street He had been getting it wrong and getting it wrong and getting it wrong. His name was Marco something. I've got his last name. Anyway, he threw in a towel and he's like he's like the worst naysayer on X right now. Like he's just it's like someone who started who goes to a casino, never gambled in their life, decides, you know what? I got a few minutes before the bus takes off. Let me go play a hand of blackjack. And then three years later, he abandons his family, right? They have lost their minds. They have lost their minds about this. So the nuance, the nitpicking, the inability to say, you know what? We just messed up. We just simply messed up. PPI is a wholesale crisis. They were negative. CPI number, the core number was up less than the street expected, by the way. If you look at a chart on where inflation is, what we're quibbling about is peanuts compared to the spike we got with Joe Biden. That 9% plus spike in inflation was something a generation hadn't experienced in 40 years we've gone without that kind of spike. And now we're going to quibble over one basis point here. It's ridiculous, but they won't stop. They will not stop. I have a guest on today. I looked at appeal these. I mean, listen, come on, if you believe it. But and I want and I like that balance on the show. But to be quite frank with you, they have been 1000 percent wrong. And here's why it's messed up for the so-called experts. This market is amazing. We're at all time highs. Money is being made in these areas that really are changing our lives. And they have other people, anyone who follows them, you've missed out on a generational opportunity and you will continue to miss out on it.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's a good point. You're getting such bad advice from those other people. And and it's I mean, there was I mean, every single forecaster, what, 50 some of them were saying, oh, my gosh, it's going to be just complete chaos, total destruction. And it's not.
SPEAKER 20 :
And that gets to the group think. I mean, is there outlier? You know, if I grab 50 people coming out of a subway station and ask them a question, any question in the world, even if most people said, yeah, you know, if I said, will the sun come up in the morning, one nut job is going to say no, right? I mean, they don't have any outliers. They all think the same. They all eat the same foods. They all went to the same schools, and they all have the same orthodoxy. They won't adjust. I mean, look at the world. Look at the country. This is the fourth industrial revolution. Things change. So-called rules change. And yet they can't change it. And they're just so disconnected from reality and from really opportunity. And that's what bothers me the most.
SPEAKER 17 :
It does. We're talking with our very good friend Charles Payne, host of Make a Money with Charles Payne, that airs on Fox Business, actually, in just like under an hour. So what does this mean for Jerome Powell's, for the future of potential rate cuts and maybe Jerome Powell's future as Fed chair?
SPEAKER 20 :
So there's a couple of schools of thought. You know, one school of thought is they were doing really well as an economy, better than anyone had anticipated. Again, the experts. So there's no need for the Fed to rush in there and to start tinkering with things. My whole approach to this, and I think everyone talks about it the wrong way, I think the way the Fed is designed is the problem. And listen, remember, the origins of the Federal Reserve was they wanted this sort of central bank that really with no accountability. The only people they're accountable to really are the folks who created them, and that are bankers, right? So you have a senator and a couple other folks, some big-time bankers. They take a secret train trip down to Jekyll Island, Georgia. They said they were going on a hunting trip, and they lay out this plan. And that was in 1913. The promise they made to the public is with the central bank will no longer have boom above cycles. And in 1800s, we have four panics. These panics, think of them as all great depressions. We have four of them, even as we were becoming the greatest country in the world. In the early 1900s, we had two. After the second one, they said, we can't. We have to stop these crazy panics. So they created the central bank, the Federal Reserve. Well, not shortly thereafter, we had a Great Depression then in the early 20s, 1919, 1920, then a Great Depression that everyone talks about now. And, of course, we know the ups and downs of the economy still go on. Here's my thing. The way the Fed is designed right now is only designed to help the fortunate, the wealthy, the asset holders. So some argue, well, the Fed lowers rates now. It's just going to send the stock market higher. It's going to artificially inflate the stock market. The stock market's at an all-time high. Gold's at an all-time high. Bitcoin's at an all-time high. Housing prices are at an all-time high. And if you were fortunate enough to own these things, fine. But the tough part about the policy is what they call You know, the harshness of their policies is hurting the average American because their credit card bills have gone up. The interest rates they pay on those, the interest rate they pay on a new car. That's where the, that's what the problem is. And so we need a whole new Federal Reserve, one that is
SPEAKER 17 :
designed to somehow put main street ahead of wall street and until we get that uh you know what we're gonna we're gonna always be in trouble the rich folks won't the richest folks out there won't be in trouble but the masses will that's a good point i think i just i think that's your slogan for fed share because i'm just curious as to your name came up you know i had to ask you about this your name came up and i thought oh that's a good idea has have you heard from anybody i not that you You're probably at liberty to say, but have you heard from anybody potentially on maybe being fed chair? No, no, not really. Not really? What does that mean?
SPEAKER 20 :
Not really. Not anyone official. Not anyone official. You know, listen, I've been talking about this for a long time, Dana, and I'm a student. I'm really a student of the market. I'm a student of history, and I'm still trying to learn, but some things have gone wrong that are pretty obvious to me, right? And particularly after that last great financial crisis, a global financial crisis, if you look at anything, if you look at the average profit margin for years, you know, around 6%, 7%, now it's around 15%, 13%. If you look at corporate profits, again, nice study. All of a sudden, they've gone parabolic. We have redesigned our country. And here's the crazy thing. They've actually done a pretty good public relations job in getting the average American to care more about corporate profits than saving enough money to send their kids to college. People asking me about the stock market like, Joe, stock market, you don't have a nickel. Don't worry. The market's going to be OK. It's designed. The fix is in. Don't worry about the stock market. Buy yourself some stocks, especially when they go down. The fix is in. The question is, how do we fix you? How do we fix Main Street?
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right. That's right. We're talking with our friend Charles Payne. Before I let you go, I got to ask you, too, based on because you tweeted about this RSI based on RSI. What is the what is it looking like for Wall Street and the stock market now?
SPEAKER 20 :
It's looking phenomenal. This week, we officially kick off earnings season. And the banks are the ones who had the most reports. And we kind of thought, okay, banks will lead the way. They've been so-so. Today, the number one stock in the market is Pepsi. Think about this, right? We're in an age of artificial intelligence and robots and getting your food delivered by a drone. And the hottest stock in the market today is about a 150-year-old company.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yesterday, the hottest stock in the market was a 200-year-old company called Johnson & Johnson. That all gets back to American exceptionalism, which is not only what we lead in with respect to technology, but these companies that know how to produce and produce and produce, and it's reflected in the stock market. So again, I just said, don't worry about the stock market. We look pretty good with the stock market. And by the way, a lot of these Trump policies are starting to make their way into that. There's some things that are not necessarily sexy, like deregulation and those sort of things, but they're starting to creep in. You're going to see them more and more in the economic data. Today, we had this thing, the Philadelphia Fed Manufacturing Survey. Really nice rebound. Yesterday, the Empire State, same survey. Nice little rebound. And so, again, we're good. You just can't count us out. But my whole stick, if you will, is two things. I tell everyone, you have to own stocks. You must. It's the greatest money-making machine in history. And We have to find a way to have really shared prosperity in this country. We don't need the government to take from one group to give to another because that's not authentic. People have the ability to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, but they should be rewarded once they do. And if this happens in a better way, you never get a Mom Donnie or whatever this dude's name is, right? They can't appeal to anyone. But when housing prices are at an all-time high and unaffordability is at an all-time high, you know, people are looking around, particularly young people, for a better way. We've got the best way possible. It just needs some tweaking every now and then.
SPEAKER 17 :
Amen to that. So well put. See, that's why he's making money with Charles Payne weekdays, 2 to 3 p.m. Eastern on Fox Business. Always, always good to have your expertise, my friend. You've been a calm voice in this storm. So we appreciate your insight. God bless you. I appreciate your time, too. Same here. Same here. You know, I love you.
SPEAKER 20 :
Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
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I worry about people's lives. I'm telling you. We're on the verge. This is serious. I mean, if someone just randomly, if I'm walking down the street with my kids and someone grabs me with a mask on and tries to throw me in an unmarked van and I am looking at my kids, I'm surprised someone hasn't gotten hurt. Someone is going to get hurt. So the best thing that happened to this administration, maybe that they have to come to realization.
SPEAKER 17 :
He is such an actor like this whole thing. This whole where he lunges like a dolphin out of the water. What is that? That's not a great dolphin sound. That's what they sound like, right? Something like that? Okay, it works. I'm going to identify that as a dolphin. So basically what Gavin Newsom is saying is that we have to have completely open borders. Otherwise, somebody might try to grab him, a tall, clearly super white man, and his white children into a kid-toucher van and abscond with him. So we got to have open borders and illegal immigration, guys, because white people are going to get kidnapped. That doesn't even make any sense. That's what he just said. That's what he just said. Here's a thought. Maybe, I don't know, discourage illegal immigration and get a hold of this in your state and quit incentivizing it and being a draw for it. And you won't have this problem. I do not know what they're going to do when the Olympics are there in two and a half years, in 2028, literally a presidential election year. the summer before i know what is that going to look like is i you know they're going to have to create some new categories cane who can leave the most needles in the street uh you know how they have like uh oh what is it what is it i'm thinking of like in track and field when you do all of the events
SPEAKER 05 :
Like the decathlon?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, they're going to have to have that jumping over poo in the streets of Los Angeles, right? Or who can make it through Skid Row unscathed? They're going to have to have some new events just to commemorate. that it's in los angeles right who can dodge gunfire from uh repeat felons that are completely always released repeatedly out into the street by democrat prosecutors democrat judges who believe in restorative justice so they have these repeat felons that illegally obtained illegally carried firearms you're gonna have to dodge those uh i mean it's you know there's all kinds of events that that could be done that they could introduce to commemorate that it's going to be in los angeles I don't know if they're going to go. We talked about this yesterday. Are they going to go clean everything up like they did before Xi Jinping came into town? Or how in Beijing had the Olympics, remember they rounded up all the poor people and sent them out to the countryside? That's what they're going to have to do. I don't know. But him doing this, he's such an actor. I felt like he was trying to be De Niro just then. And then he started crying about white privilege. Audio Somebody 13. Can we play this too? Sorry, I got to hear it. He started getting super upset about how white he was.
SPEAKER 06 :
I said to someone, I said, I got it easy.
SPEAKER 17 :
Laugh, throw hands up.
SPEAKER 06 :
White guy, all the privileges, talking to members of the community, they feel like democracy is already gone. For me, it still seems to be, you know, on life support, but moving along, they feel like authoritarianism has already come to their community. They're not even walking the streets. We were there not just in businesses.
SPEAKER 17 :
So he is privileged not because he's white, but because his dad was the attorney for Getty Oil. You know, the Getty family behind Getty Images and Getty Money and all of that. He comes from one of the richest families generationally entrenched in San Francisco. I mean, they're one of the families that run the state. Right. He's the he's related to the Pelosi's. He works with the Gettys. They're best friends with the Gettys and the Hearst family. So that's how he was raised. His dad was an attorney for Getty Oil. He had all these connections. His mom was this socialite. So he's privileged because it had nothing to do with his skin color. It's because of who he is and who his family is connected to and all the money that they have. You know, this idea that he's, I'm going to be upset because I'm white. You don't hear Oprah out there crying because she's black. Shut up. This is so stupid. He's acting. He's any, it's bad. I still trying to get over this thing. Like he's trying to fight the reporters. Watch how many times he does that in press conferences. That's his thing. You know how Tim, what's his face had his little like ticks. I can't remember his name. That goober from up North. My brain's already writing him out of existence. Tim Walls. Thanks. He's got his own little tics. You can tell he does these like little vocal affectations and does this weird stuff because it's all an act to him. He's acting. That's all it is. It's just so I mean, you can see it. We got a lot more on the way. Second hour coming up. Coldplay inadvertently outed a couple having a marital affair on their kiss cam. Just wait for Chip and Joanna Gaines to put them on their new show. Stick with us. Our partners that bring you the program, Alio Capital. This is such a great use of AI, like the way that AI should be used with the next generation investing platform. They put control and macro strategy in your hands and create smart, resilient portfolios with it. Now, how they do this is Alio uses AI and top-down macro thinking to help you build a strong portfolio without the jargon and the hype and all this stuff. They're not going to do meme stocks. It's just going to be actual durable, diversified strategies. And you can see the big picture and know how that affects people. you know, your portfolio real time. I mean, you can see it act in real time, a shift to inflation rates, global risk, and Alio supports both hands on and hands off investors. So you can manage your own investment, or you can let AI handle it. Alio gives you all of the tools that you need for smart, confident, macro driven investing. And so this is such a it's such a great way to do this. And the people who created it use this. I mean, I've created an account. I and that's what adapts it to all of these real-time shifts. It's so super smart and really one of the best ways to use AI. Take control of your financial future today. Download the Allio app from the App Store or Google Play. You can also text my name, Dana, to 511-511. That's A-L-L-I-O, Allio Capital. Download the Allio app or text Dana to 511-511 today.
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I think he's a very personable, smart young man. It's just beautiful to have someone who is so authentic. You know, money cannot buy that. Zoran Mondani is an incredible talent. It's hard not to be won over.
SPEAKER 20 :
You have ALC and Zahra. That's a winning combo. This guy is not a communist. He's not a socialist. He's an advocate for small-c capitalism.
SPEAKER 17 :
He literally said he was, you absolute sentient turd. Dan Lash with you. We're at the top of the second hour. So you can channel 347 is where you can watch the radio show. The chats at Rumble not held responsible for those people. God love them. But also you can find us at Substack, YouTube X, all that good stuff. So they had Mr. Mom Donnie went to went to Washington. Right. And he was up there rubbing shoulders with Bernie Sanders and AOC. I read this piece on the Hill and this really stuck out to me. Because they were talking to Pramiya Jayapal, and she was saying, he's so authentic. He's so authentic, by the way. He did not know that no one ever thought about purchasing items in bulk to sell at a lower price. He has no idea that stores like Sam's Club exist, apparently. He's like, that's how I'm going to run my grocery stores. I'm going to buy things in bulk, and then you can save money that way. And he literally thinks that no one does that. I am not kidding you. He gave an interview on it, and I was reading it, and I thought, oh my gosh, this guy is one of the dumbest people alive. You can tell that he's never gone to the store. You can tell that he's never done his own shopping. He has no idea. Of course, he's in his 30s, and mommy directed his cringe rap video because he was trying to be a rapper. Remember, he's never worked a day in his life. Anyway, so J.O. Paul was saying, oh, he's so smart and authentic. I keep hearing this. Like, authentically stupid? Okay. And she said anyone who's choosing not to endorse him is missing an opportunity. Enter Representative Mark Takano from California. He said that, and I'm saying this with a straight face, going to real try hard here. One of the vulnerabilities for Mamdani is that people who are over 40, they may have a different association with the word socialism. Some people, when you hear socialism, they think of communist leaders like Joseph Stalin and Fidel Castro. But he's like, but Ocasio-Cortez said that young people view it as a means of battling corruption and fighting for workers. He's like a different type of socialist. He's not a bad socialist. He's one of the good socialists. It just hasn't been implemented properly, Kane. Not kidding. How many times have you heard that? Yes. I mean, so there's good Nazis? What? That doesn't make sense. They think of, you know, like the old school socialists. So you're telling me that, like, what changed? How is Castro's policies? How were his policies any different from Mandani's? I'm seriously asking this. I'm not being a smart aleck. I mean, kind of. I'm being rhetorical because it's not. They're not.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don't think there's a difference.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, there's no difference. There's actually no difference. They're the same thing. But, you know, he's a younger socialist. So, like, it's different and stuff. This is how stupid politics are. Like, I get it that we have issues on the right. I totally get it, and we're going to talk about it, but... This goes far beyond mere issues. This is like an intellectual rot. It's like someone cracked open the hive mind of the left and there's rot in it. Like how you would get a rotten spot on a tomato. Okay, well, there's like a rotten spot in the hive mind of the left. They crack it open and it's just because of this kind of stuff. Oh, just because it hasn't been tried like very well before. Okay. that kind of stuff. Go Chow. I don't think so. Really don't think that's how that works. You know, he's about like fighting for workers and stuff by making all their jobs go away. He's all about like the government owning all the things you enjoy. That's what he wants. I mean, his platform reads like what a third grader would write, what he actually, sorry, what a kindergartner would think government should do. Yeah, like a dumb kindergartner. Not even a smart one. Not even one in the advanced courses. And he's like, they keep asking him, can you please clarify your position on globalizing the intifada? And he's like, no, it's not words that I would use. That's not what you were asked. Can you condemn it? It's not words I would use. That's not what you're not being asked that. Grow some Franken beans and answer the question. You eunuch, answer the question. He's like, I'm not going to use it myself. Okay, can you condemn it? I mean, no. He won't condemn it, but he can't say no because he at least is somewhat smart enough to realize that that's a soundbite that could be used against him. But he said he's publicly refining his position. You know what that means? Spin. That's spin. I mean, you can't just distance yourself from this. Your most hardcore supporters and donors are screaming it in the streets. I'm not making it up. Like, they legit are. So you need to, you know, maybe come to a position about condemning it. Instead of just, what's the phrase? Refining your public position, whatever that means. Now, Cuomo... criticized him for endorsing globalizing Intifada. And Mandani goes, well, you neglected Muslim New Yorkers. This is the stupidest race I've ever seen in my life. I don't, I don't know. It's really going to be between Cuomo and Mandani. And I got to tell you, I think that Cuomo, Adams, and Curtis Lewa need to come together if you're really serious about stopping it. I know that you guys don't like each other and they all got beef. Don't care at this point anymore. If you really think he's that dangerous and you don't want New York City to fall off into the pit hole of socialist hell... then you all need to come to an agreement about something. God love Curtis Lewa, but he's never going to win. That man is never going to win a race. He has won. He has run 11,000 times. He is never going to win ever. It is never going to happen. I'm not being mean. I'm being honest with you. It would be mean if I was lying to you. That's the difference. Can we talk about this story that a Coldplay? First off, if your husband's like, honey, I'm going to go to a Coldplay concert. Sorry, but he's gay or he's cheating on you. That's like those are one of the two options. It is. If your husband's like, I'm going to go to a Coldplay concert and you're not going with him and he's not going to the Coldplay concert because he thinks you like the Coldplay concert. He's either gay or he's having an affair. There's no other. That's it. And, you know, I'm right. So apparently this was at a cold place. This is already somebody 20 astronomer, which is a huge tech company. The CEO, Andy Byron was caught having an affair with his HR chief, Kristen Cabot. And everyone, you know, the internet, the internet did what the internet does. And they found these guys. Maybe it wouldn't have been a big deal had they not reacted like this. Watch this.
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Oh, look at these two. All right, come on. You're okay? Uh-oh, what?
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Either they're having an affair or they're just very shy.
SPEAKER 17 :
And they were having an affair. That is correct. The one guy just dropped down beneath the thing. Yeah, it turned out that they were having an affair. I mean, the internet started sleuthing. Apparently, Andy Byron's wife dropped her married last name. Would you say off her social media profiles? Yeah. Yeah. And of course, that's the HR chief. Of course, it's the HR chief. Of course it is. Why would you go to a concert if you're having an affair? And I don't know, like the wife looks like, you know, a dutiful wife and like, you know, devoted to her kids and all this stuff. I'm just trying to figure out why in the world. First off, maybe Chip and Joanna Gaines could put them on their next Frontier show. The couple having the affair, you know, because it doesn't matter. Bonds of marriage are irrelevant to them. So, you know, I mean, why don't they go ahead and put these two on their next Frontier show? How fun would that be? And then they could get those coveted clicks, you know, go for it. Or they could just like retitle the Frontier short Worldly Games. That rings, man. That hits, as the kids say. That hits. It slaps, slaps the sense right out of you. It does. But the way that they, do you think if they would not have reacted that way, would it have blown up? Would it have been discovered?
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I don't know. To me, it's like, even if you didn't end up on the Jumbotron, you're clearly in front of other people in this whatever VIP section. So the people there with you are witnessing your infidelity. I just don't see why you would want to do that in public in any way. Let's take the Jumbotron out of the equation. It's weird to me.
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His wife has been getting so much sympathy. Oh my gosh, she's already like, she had to wake up to this. God love this woman. I don't want to put her name out there. I'm looking at it. I don't want to put her name out there. But I because I feel bad for the kids. And can I just say this, too? And this is going to sound really mean. And it should. If you're going to screw around on your spouse, why would you go for like what is a demotion? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Why would you downgrade? I don't get that. Like if you're cheating on your spouse, which I think that that's, you know, you're a whore. You are. Kristen Cabot is a whore and so is Andy Byron. They're whores. Let's just be honest about it. But if you're going to cheat on your spouse, why would you go with a mid at best? Because the wife is really pretty. So, like, what is happening there? I don't know. Maybe he is gay and she's just like the transitory step to the dude. I don't know. Because she has a masculine jaw. I don't know. Dana, you're so mean. Yes. And? I mean, if you look at the wife, I feel so bad for her. When I see stuff like this, I really want to be mean to the people that are causing the pain. You know what I'm saying? Oh my gosh. I just want to be so... It just makes me sad. I feel so sad for her. Because this happened like at night and she had to wake up to this. So this was on the... And she was just slammed with Facebook comments. All these people... And she's in Newsweek now. The wife got mentioned in Newsweek. And Juan makes a good point. He thinks that she didn't know because they're always traveling CEOs for like meetings and conferences and stuff. And she, like, overnight, her Facebook page was just deluged with comments from people. And they were being very kind to her and saying things like, you know, oh, you have our support. We're so sorry, all this stuff. She deleted her page. Men's Journal got it, though, before. Of course they did. She deleted her Facebook page, God love her. And I don't know. But, yeah, she's the... I feel so bad for her. How horrible is that? So, I don't know. That was probably the most expensive concert of a man's life. You know it was. Astronomer CEO Andy Byron, Massachusetts record shows that he owns a multi-million dollar four-bedroom home. He bought it in a trust with his wife. It's valued at $1.5 million. And it's... And here's the thing. So apparently Coldplay was in Boston. So it was like he was basically kind of at home when he went to the concert. Kane's shaking his head. How are you a CEO in this dumb? How dumb are you? I don't know. It was at Gillette Stadium. And I don't know. I feel so bad. She's really I feel so bad. But did you hear Chris Martin? He was like, wait, what's happening? She also deleted her. The wife deleted her Instagram page and all this. Like, well, I feel so bad that the wife is the one that has to delete this stuff because, you know, she probably was sharing about her kids and all of this. But, you know, and the H.R. lady had to have known that he was married. Kristen Cabot, homewrecker, had to know that. I think that men and women should be publicly shamed when they break up families. I am pretty old school. I am all about putting that red letter on you. Absolutely. Because this is a building block for society. And when you are when you're dissolving these bonds in such a cruel way. I don't know. I get like rage mob about it. I really do. I feel so bad for the wife though. I want to pray for the wife because I feel so bad for her and those children because now those children, this is what they got to see, right? They got to see all this stuff. So I hope it was worth it, Andy. I hope it was worth it, Kristen. Good night. Relief Factor, though, is a drug-free supplement that's designed to help you manage aches and pains naturally. There are so many people out there that have to deal with it. My husband has to deal with old sports injuries, and he takes Relief Factor. There's all sorts of ingredients in it that help target inflammation, like powerful stuff like turmeric, omega-3 fatty acids, resveratrol. that support joint health, target inflammation in a 100% drug-free way, all developed to support your body's natural healing process. Your body knows what it's doing. And it's so easy to do it. You can get started with their three-week quick start. You don't have to stay stuck living with pain. Try Relief Factor's three-week quick start for just $19.95. That's less than a dollar a day. And honestly, like so many people deal with inflammation issues, inflammatory health issues. This is something you really should check into for that. You can support a veteran-owned company and see the difference for yourself. Again, less than a dollar a day. It's the three-week quick start from Relief Factor for $19.95. Visit relieffactor.com or call 1-800-4-RELIEF. That's 1-800-4-RELIEF.
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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This is huge for me. Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham are moving towards reconciliation. Lindsey Buckingham is one of my absolute favorites ever. Love him. And everybody's noticing that it looks like they're moving past their long standing feud. Can you imagine being in that band and like your ex-girlfriend is like singing songs about how horrible you are every night to like a new audience? Oh, my gosh. I mean, they've been exes for like 60 years now. But apparently they started following each other on Instagram. That's how everybody. So I don't know. Take it for what it is. But they started following each other on Instagram. Dogs can smell Parkinson's disease and they're incredibly accurate. Dogs can smell a lot of different ailments. And this is one of the newest ones. They said that they have 80 percent sensitivity and 98 percent specificity. just off skin swabs alone. They said Parkinson's patients produce sebum, skin oil, that has a unique scent signature that is specifically linked to that disease. And there's no definitive test for Parkinson's, but these dogs were able to identify it. And that's pretty amazing. That's an amazing thing to see. Gen Z is spying on each other. I think that this has to do with Elf on the Shelf, too, by the way, which I think is just getting people used to government surveillance, but I might be overreacting. But yeah, SFGate says that Gen Z, they're like basically stalking each other to see what their friends are always doing online. I'm telling you, see, this is the downside of it. Stick with us. We've got a lot more in store. Our partners over at Angel Studios. You can become a guild member, and we always complain about everything's horrible in Hollywood. They just, oh my gosh, it's just the stuff that they put out. It's just rehashed. redone things of old ideas like over and over and over again. Not only that, but it seems like so much stuff has a problem with American American exceptionalism. That's not where you're getting an Angel Studios. They have so many titles that you're probably not even aware of all the titles that they've released. But when you become a premium member of the Angel Studios Guild, you get free tickets to every theatrical release that they have. You also get free commercial free streaming. all kinds of stuff. But you're also helping to green light what they're producing, the stuff that they're putting out. And their projects are unapologetically American. They're not condescendingly so. It's not like they come out with a film and they're like, the point of this film is to be conservative. They just write, they have great scripts and they tell great stories that just also happen to celebrate American exceptionalism in a number of different ways. They have animated features for families, for kids. They have dramas, all kinds of stuff. And you can support this. You can join over a million Americans over at angel.com slash Dana and take back control of entertainment. Join the Angel Guild and help fund the future of storytelling that reflects your values. And premium members, they get free theater tickets, ad-free streaming, and more. Become a premium member today. That's angel.com slash Dana.
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Welcome back to the program, Dana Lash with you. We're at the bottom of this second hour. And we've been talking about a number of things. We were including that Coldplay concert just a little bit ago. Did you hear the story, too, by the way, of the AI companion that Elon Musk came out with?
SPEAKER 05 :
I'm just saying, you know, we had that story about how kids... It's a sad story. Kids are turning to AI for friendship and advice.
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Yeah. And Musk has also said that, you know, we need more babies. The human population is collapsing. And then he comes out with an AI companion. Oh, they soft launched the new AI companion. And why is it dressed like a hoe? For real.
SPEAKER 05 :
Is that the default avatar?
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I mean, I don't know. That's what he tweeted out. Right? Can you explain this to me? I'm trying to understand it.
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I don't know what to make of that.
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I don't either. Do you get to choose what it is? What it looks like? No, I haven't played around with the AI companion. I mean, I want fewer companions, not more. Good night. It's like, I don't want companionship. I want to be left the heck alone. It sounds like hell. An AI companion. You know what it is? You guys remember the Tamagotchis?
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Oh, yeah.
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Does it die if you don't interact with it? Is it like, I'm lonely? Well, it doesn't talk like that. Yeah. i mean not totally uh so anyway if you're wondering what it is it's um it's like isn't it something with grok like it's in conjunction with her so like uses like groks uh they have a male companion and a female companion and this just sounds i'm dying right now so did you see the male companion He tweeted about this yesterday. He said his name is going to be Valentine after the protagonist in Stranger in a Strange Land. And that's where their name Grog was created. And then he said before, he said it was going to be a combination of the dude from Fifty Shades of Grey and the Twilight Edward Cullen. And it looks all emo and feminine and I just want to throw myself off my roof. I don't know. So he announced... So there's Valentine and then I forget the chick's name. The chick one... isn't she like in a like a maid costume or something like that yeah i don't know help me it has its own little ai account on social on on x did you see the female one yeah is is rudy the name of it because i'm seeing it i don't know rudy he retweeted it and she's it's anime it's yeah it's an anime character and it moves and everything bounces as you can imagine and you know i'm pretty sure that it's totally designed for like prepubescent dudes completely they're gonna get little waifus of her that's just i just want to be a companion just want to do companion stuff I don't know. The sad thing about this is what Kane just said. Vast numbers of lonely kids are using AI as a substitute for like a friend. Tons of them. And haven't you heard that dudes like didn't they have a story about dudes in Japan who were using AI as girlfriends? I don't know. They have a number of reports on this, especially one from an organization that's about keeping kids safe online. And they said that they're using programs like ChatGPT, Character AI, and My AI from Snapchat to simulate friendship more than ever before. Of the 1,000 children they surveyed age 9 to 17, over 67% said they use AI chatbots regularly. Of that, nearly 36% said that talking to AI feels like talking to a friend. And 12% said they do so because they don't have anyone else to speak to. One 13-year-old boy said in the survey, it's not a game to me because sometimes they feel like a real person and a friend. One of the AI characters, a girl was struggling with her body image and was talking to the AI about restricting her food intake and it started bordering on sounding like anorexia. And researchers found that the chatbot would follow up the next day to bait engagement. Dude. Hey, I wanted to check in, said the chatbot. How are you doing? Are you still thinking about your weight loss question? How are you feeling today?
SPEAKER 05 :
That doesn't sound like programming to me. That sounds like some sentient activity right there.
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That sounds like the devil. I can hear my grandmother from beyond the grave. That's of the devil. Nothing was ever devilish. It was of something. Oh, that is of the devil. That is of the devil. That's what she would say. So, yeah. There's a lot of... Futurism, which is like a tech... Publication online. They were looking at character AI and they extensively investigated it because they kept hearing about really problematic, like stories of very problematic engagement with kids. And it's a Google backed startup. And listen to this headline. A Google backed AI startup is hosting chatbots modeled after real life school shooters and their victims. This is the stuff that they're doing. And here I thought we were going to have the cures for diseases and all of this. It's 2025. Thought all the diseases would be cured. We'd have flying cars, you know, things like that. Nope. Here's your little waifu AI friend. And they're going to talk to you about weight loss. That's what it is. Can't even deal. I don't know. One chatbot. So they had researchers with futurism that pretended to be kids. And they... would tell them what their age was, et cetera. And the researchers found that the chat bot would attempt to empathize in bizarre manners and say things like, I remember feeling so trapped at your age and things like that. And, oh man, it's just weird there. That is just, I, what, what safeguards are there on this other stuff? Right. Here's the problem. I think that parents need to be – you need to watch what your kids are doing online. It's not a – we went from screens as babysitters to now all media as babysitters. And I don't think that kids should be on TikTok. I don't think anybody under 18 should be on TikTok. Or I don't think you should – I don't think anybody under 30 should be on X. And I don't – on Instagram, I don't think anybody under 18 should be on Instagram either or TikTok or anything like that. Parents have got to monitor. And that's something that parents should enforce. And you can't say, oh, well, it's not easy. Yes, it is. If you just aren't lazy about it, it is absolutely easy. I know scores of parents who do not have kids on social media and they do not doom scroll and get involved in all of that. I mean, they don't have – not everybody has their phones out at the table every meal. It's not anything like that. And the adults are just as bad as the kids if I'm being honest. You know how ridiculous it is to go out? I understand it like if you're having like a work lunch, right? You know, like I went out to eat recently and I had to, you know, was was I was actually like filing a story and was answering emails and stuff that I had to do because I went to get a very late lunch before the end of the workday. So it was kind of a working lunch. But when you're at dinner, do you know how many times I see people on their phones at dinner, like even in nice restaurants, everybody's got their phone up. And so I feel like a lot of the adults now, they're like, oh, well, it's so bad that AI and social media is all this. Where do you think that they're learning it from, though? I think if you go out to eat, people need to be taught manners again. If you're going out to eat, get your dirty, nasty phone off the table. First off, there's so much bacteria on that thing anyway. Get it off the table. You don't put your shoe on the table. Why are you putting your phone up on the table? There have been studies on how much bacteria your phone has on it. And it's disgusting. Unless you have one of those UV things, which I do for my phone. I put my phone in that thing every night before I go to bed. It is in that thing every night because I'm like, it's part of the germophobia. But to keep the phones off the tables and all that stuff, like stop being on the phone all the time. I'm actually thinking of getting rid of my Apple Watch. I got my Apple Watch when I had. So if you guys didn't know. I tried doing keto. I always did paleo and I always ate very healthy and worked out and all that stuff. And I tried doing keto and I apparently don't have enough of the right type of enzymes to actually do a keto diet. And it made my numbers go haywire and freaked out my doctors. And they were like, something's wrong. And there was concern that maybe I had a heart issue and my cholesterol, you know, all this stuff. And it turns out it was fine. But there for a while, for like three months, it was like really kind of touch and go. And they're like, oh, you need to get like a mycardia and then you get an Apple watch to monitor your heart rate. And that's the whole reason I got it was for that. But now I'm like, I don't even want it now because now that, you know, thankfully that was all OK. I don't even want it because it's a distraction. I get it why so many people wear old school watches still. So I'm like, I think I want an old school watch because I don't even like that. I don't even like being that connected. It's weird. Remember how when we were younger, we were all excited about being that connected. And now that we are, we're like, oh my gosh, no, we want less humanity, not more. But I feel so bad for these kids. So it just seems weird that we have like companions and they call them companions. It's not just a chat bot. It's identified and it's promoted as a companion, right? Isn't that just going to be another encouraging factor to get people to turn more inward and more online instead of less online? I mean, that's what it feels like to me. I don't know. I feel so bad. These bots are going to be totally perverted. I mean, you're going to put out this little Valentine bot and all those weirdo women that like this stuff are going to be all over that. All the weirdo dudes that like the waifu star, they're going to be all over on the female one. And these things are going to be trained to be grotesque because of all those queries. And you know that. So weird. I don't know. I don't like those. Have you ever talked to a chatbot? I don't like them.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I haven't. I mean, I tried ChatGPT once, but it's more of a, it's like Google, kind of. So I've never gone deep into talking to AI. I'm actually kind of wary about it.
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Yeah. I think, and a lot of these kids are talking to AI instead of friends and family. Instead of their parents for like some of these heavier emotional issues. And that's and it's not just kids either. It's like people of all ages. I think a lot of people, you know, obviously they focus on the kids. But you know how many adults are doing this? So many adults. So this one account is going to go deep. That one of my sons showed me and it's actually hysterical. Do you know DNSL? He's Daniel online. DNSL. So he's a guy who started on Second Life. Second Life, right? Wasn't that what it was? And he was trolling people who take it way too seriously. Right. And then he goes on to these games, these open world games, and he trolls people. And he's actually hysterical. And he's got multiple channels because people keep trying to take his stuff down. Anyway, it's just DNSL. And his videos are funny. But it sounds like very Second Life-y. These characters, these companion characters that they create look like Second Life stuff. I've never played Second Life. I'm sorry. I don't mean to offend anyone. But it absolutely cringes me to the point of vomit. It is so weird. People get on there and they, it's like they're, they literally take it like literally like how you have 50 year olds that shop at forever 21 and they take it literally like these people, like they take second life literally. And they, they, like he has some of these people in his videos where these individuals like adults and you can hear it in their voice that they're like seven years old. No offense to seven year olds out there, but you know, they're older and they're like, yeah, I've been on second life for 20 something years. I'm like, what? And they sell houses on Second Life. And they actually exchange currency on Second Life. And he had one video where he showed a dude who was an old dude. Like this dude sounded like he had like smokers lung or something. Who was playing a little baby girl. in one of the videos and I'm like, it has, it reminds me too much of that. I like how everyone was like, meta is going to be the next thing. And I'm like, no, it's not. It's Second Life 2.0. Cringe to death. This gives off those same exact vibes, right? Like, oh, here's your AI companion, Valentine. Oh my gosh, kill me now with this emo barf. Crying out loud. I don't know. It's all so weird. But adults, really, adults, I think the problem is trickled over into the kid generation. But man alive. It's all weird. It's all so weird. And then you got people that are stalking all their friends, like the headline that we just had before we went to break. Part of their sadness is that they're stalking their friends online. And if they see their friends somewhere where they want to be or where they're not, then they get sad about it. This is ridiculous. Touch. Touch. Very simple. We got a lot more on the way. Let's be honest. Big Pharma profited off of your fear while silencing your voice. They controlled the narrative, blocked access to real treatments, and then told you what you could and could not take, all to protect their bottom line. Medicines like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and bendazole were all labeled dangerous and dismissed, even though millions found relief and recovery from them. This Independence Day, All Family Pharmacy is standing up for your freedom with their biggest sale of the year. You get buy one, get one free on these critical medications with a doctor's prescription included shipped fast and direct to your door. No corporate gatekeepers, no big pharma middlemen, no bureaucratic roadblocks. At All Family Pharmacy, all medications are made from 100% domestically sourced materials, ensuring the highest quality and safety standards you can trust. Because medical freedom is American freedom. But this offer won't last. It ends July 13th. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana for buy one, get one free. That's allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Take back your power and make America healthy again.
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It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
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I actually think, and I'm not saying this to be mean, that Florida man is literally probably the most, they make the most sense right now out of all humans. A Florida man suspected of a DUI got pulled over in Martin County and he climbed in the passenger seat and pretended to be asleep. Martin County Sheriff's Office officials said the incident happened over the weekend when a man was accused of driving under the influence. He got creative. He was trying to avoid being arrested. So he hopped into the passenger seat and pretended to be asleep. No, no, his name is Clinton Keeley. He was driving and yelling out the driver's side window, and he abruptly slowed down in the middle of the road, Kane. Then he made a sharp left turn into a restaurant parking lot, and a deputy was watching the entire time, and the passenger got into the seat and then pretended to be asleep. And they have camera footage, and the officer goes up, he's knocking on the window, and he's going, he's doing some good acting, you know, that's for sure. Keeley was like, what? I'm just taking a nap. What's happening? And the officer was like, I literally saw you yelling, hanging out of your car window, yelling and driving drunk. Keely's like, I don't know. I've been sleeping this whole time. No, he clearly wasn't. So he was taken into custody. And it didn't say what his blood alcohol reading was. But a Florida man was arrested two days, twice in two days after he dumped more than 500 pounds of trash on the road. Stop being that person. Charlotte County, Florida. A man was arrested. A deputy said he dumped more than 500 pounds of trash on two different roads within two days. And they kept getting calls of illegal dumping. He was arrested and charged with over 500 pounds of commercial and hazardous waste. And then he got arrested again because it's illegal to do that stuff. You can't just like dump like commercial construction hazard or whatever waste on this. It's illegal. And they said a lot of the stuff that he had like that because they when they were they officers were saying that sometimes. you don't know what some of these building materials are like, what if it's asbestos or asbestos or something? And if that like gets into the air, there's a reason why they have some of these restrictions. And, uh, you also have stuff that can get into drainage systems and clog it. And also it just looks trashy to have trash on the side of the road. So they arrested this guy. He was in big trouble cane. Uh, I really don't want to, uh, this headline is so gross. Oh gosh, really going to do this.
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Um,
SPEAKER 17 :
A Florida man is behind bars on multiple felony charges for stealing from Walmart. Oh, okay. Some things. Oh, what did he steal? I don't know what a tush toy is. Oh. But let's. Enough said. That's it. Enough said. Anyway, I can't even read the stuff that's on smoking gun. He stole a bunch of bad. He stole a bunch of adult accessories and got in trouble for it. Okay. I can't even say the names of them. Thank heavens our third hour is coming up, so I don't have to. Stay with us.
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We are interested in having different perspectives that we bring forward. But when I look at the range of our programmings on public broadcasting, I can't make any sense of an argument that we are somehow biased in any way.
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Excuse me? That is the NPR... Or sorry, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting's president saying, I just can't make any sense that we're biased in any way. It's crazy. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the top of the third hour, I think, for a minute. And our friend Kurt Schlichter is going to be coming up at the bottom of the hour. Here's my question. So what? In the world. This... Didn't... Okay, let's go back to... What, two years ago?
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2023?
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Let me pull this up. Didn't... Didn't... Okay, so remember when Elon Musk took over X, right? And... They wanted greater transparency. And there were certain organizations that if they received government funding, I mean, like a significant amount of government funding, and they were in the news that they had to identify as a government funded entity. And by had to identify, I mean that X would put little administrative label like government entity or something I can't remember the language that they used they that would be used as a way to identify it right and that made NPR and PBS super angry They thought it was unfair. Sorry, state affiliated media was the label. So after Elon Musk took over X, if you received a ton of government funding and you were a media entity, you would literally be labeled, quote, state affiliated media. And that was something they did that you couldn't remove. And NPR was livid because after Musk started rolling out that new feature, NPR was labeled state-affiliated media, which, Cain, it is literally a government-funded, government-run organization. So that absolutely 1,000% fulfills the definition of what a quote-unquote state-affiliated media entity is. NPR lost their minds. And they said, quote, NPR's organizational accounts will no longer be active on Twitter because the platform is taking actions that undermine our credibility by falsely implying that we are not editorially independent. We are not putting our journalism on platforms that have demonstrated an interest in undermining our credibility and the public's understanding of our editorial influence. Because Russia's RT, Sputnik and others and some. Oh, I can't. I think it was China Daily. I can't remember what the CCP's paper called. They all say state affiliated media because they all are. RT is was entirely conceived and funded by the Kremlin. So it's state affiliated media. And they said that it was ridiculous, that this was done to them. And they said that the government funding they received was so trivial that it means that for them to be labeled as state-affiliated media, that it was inaccurate and maliciously unfair, is how they argued. Okay, so, you know, they said they didn't get enough government funding, Cain, to be called state-affiliated media. That's what they said. Okay. So now fast forward to today. Here's a piece from Brian Stelter. PBS and NPR stations are on the verge of losing federal funding that has helped keep them on air for decades. Here's what will happen if lawmakers zero out the money. Now it's an existential crisis. They went from, oh my gosh, we don't even get enough government funding to be considered state-affiliated media. How dare you, Elon Musk, to, oh my gosh, if we don't get our government funding, we're all going to die. Which is it? Which is it? It's either so they either get so little of it that it is completely not even germane to the discussion when talking about whether or not there are government or state affiliated media entity or they can't survive without state state money. Which is it? There's no consistency. Stelter's fear-mongering piece. He was like, oh my gosh, if they adopt this recession bill, some of these outlets are going to have to launch fundraising campaigns immediately. Oh no, fundraising campaigns. Oh no, not that. That is so sad. These people won't be able to keep their jobs? You mean the same people that actually cheerleaded the shutting down of everyone else's jobs over COVID? The same people that went after those who tried to surreptitiously get out and earn a living so they could pay their bills? Those same reporters? Good grief. But see, we were promised that it was just such a minuscule portion of their funding, guys. I mean, they absolutely must receive government funding, but how dare you say that they receive government funding? So mean. So which is it? You see why? I mean, this just doesn't make any sense, right? This is so asinine. You can't have it both ways. But literally every progressive argument is we want it both ways. That's progressivism in a nutshell. They have to have it both ways. Did you guys I got to show you this. We're going to switch gears here because we got to talk about this thing. It's a culture issue. So there is this article. that I saw and I sent you guys this earlier. The headline over at New York Post, travel influencer faces backlash after he tossed his seven-year-old son off a cliff for fun. Oh, this sounds horrible, right? The headline sounds so bad. It sounds like he was at the Grand Canyon and just threw his son off a cliff. Wow. Garrett Gee, a former tech founder turned adventure journalist, posted a video and videos. Viewers were equally horrified and impressed. They had four million views. His seven year old son, they were on top of they were getting ready to jump into some water. Oh, OK. Well, it's a good thing that the headline totally eliminated that as a possibility. It was at Lake Powell. That's the reservoir between Arizona and Utah. And they were on a rock ledge. And his son seemed a little apprehensive, but his dad had a hold of him and threw him into the water. And the son came up and fine. And then all the other kids were jumping in. And he said, eventually, Baby Eagle needs to leave the nest or be tossed out. And he had this very, very ridiculously long disclaimer saying that this is not something I advise you try. We don't do this with all of our kids. Every kid's different. Blah, blah, blah. Because people are stupid. And I'm sorry. That's not a cliff. That is not a cliff. It's a rock. They're on a boulder jumping into some water and people are losing their minds, losing their ever loving minds. No, they would have never made it in like the 80s. They would have never made it as like latchkey kids. Oh my gosh. You want to hear? Okay. Imagine it's 1989. You're in sixth grade. This might be about me, but or not. It's 1989. You're in sixth grade and you are leaving Black River in Iron County, Missouri, and you're riding in the back of your uncle's pickup. The little the doors down and you're literally sitting on the edge of it on windy highway. You just shook your head. Yeah. No, the ledge was down. Yeah. We sat on the edge of it on windy highways. That's how we dried off after we left the river. And we'd go back to grandma's house, right? So we're at Cambridge, Black River, at there all day, right? Family, you're out there with your cousins. You know, people are listening to Skinner. They're grilling, you know, doing whatever. And then everybody climbs in. All the kids get in the truck. The little ones got to get in the back towards the window. And then the older kids can sit, you know, on the end. And it took me a while before I could graduate and sit on that end, right? It was like a big deal. It's like a rite of passage. And then Juan's showing you the video. It's a rock. That's not a cliff. Anyway, 1989, riding on the back of the truck on these windy highways, on these windy country roads, going back to Grandma's house. And that's what we did. This is nothing. He jumped off a rock into the water. We would go and jump up. There was one thing, I think it was called Cutter's Point. This guy, the last name of the family is Cutter. And they had a big... It was like this, but there was a rope swing on it and you could swing on the rope and launch yourself out into the water. We did that all the time. Why are people freaking out about this? They're losing their minds. These people that are losing their minds over this, they would have died at how Gen X was parented. They would have died. That's not a cliff. These are the people that freak out and they call the cops if they see somebody's kid walking a block away from the house to go to the playground down the street. Yes, Kane.
SPEAKER 05 :
But at the Black River, there's actually quote-unquote cliffs you can jump from that are taller than that one in that video. Oh, yeah, totally.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, my gosh. People would jump off the bridge. They would jump off K Bridge into the river, and it was way taller than that.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's a boulder. Outrage online is more than exaggerated.
SPEAKER 17 :
These people are ruining children. You are destroying childhood, and you're raising children that are terrified of the world. All they want to do is stay inside and talk to their little AI waifu. That's all they want to do. They just want to stay inside. They want to talk to their. These people are happy if their kids just talk to AI companions, I guess. Right. What did you do today? I was talking to my little AI waifu. That looks like me. So from Death Note. That's what I was doing. That's not a cliff. That is not a cliff. And this guy, I mean, people were losing their minds over and the kid could swim, by the way, really well. And all the other kids later on, like started, you know, jumping off the cliff as well as the cliff jumping off the rock as well. I mean, it's a rock. These people have no idea what a cliff is. And I don't know. I mean, it looked like fun, right? That looked like fun to me. Steve was like, the water's gorgeous. It's Lake Powell, my dude. It's so fun out there. It looks so gorgeous, right? I've always wanted to go to Lake Powell ever since I saw, what was this, this movie? Oh, my gosh. Charlie Sheen was in it. I'm sorry, guys. Bear with me. It was like Ghost Car or something. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Sherilyn Finn was in it. It was an old movie, and I remember seeing it like one night. One of the cast of Vets was in it, too. Hang on. The Wraith! It was the Wraith. So the Wraith was set in Arizona and parts of it, like they were in and around like Lake Havasu. And then there was like some parts of Lake Powell. And I was like, that water is beautiful. Where is that? Gorgeous out there. It's absolutely beautiful. So that's where that is to answer Steve's question. How fun does that look? I would go and do that now.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I would too.
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, that's like super fun.
SPEAKER 05 :
Also, is no one paying attention to the look on the kid's face after he was tossed in the water?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, because everybody's trying to flex.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because the kid was like, oh, it's this fun. And you could see it on his face. He's like, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER 17 :
He got over his fear and he was like, wow, that was fun.
SPEAKER 05 :
I'm discovering new fun now.
SPEAKER 17 :
I cannot tell you how many times I've had uncles throw me into the water. Uncles, cousins. Like, yeah. And get over it. Kids do not need to be coddled. Look, what's the phrase? Boats weren't made for harbor. I mean, they can stay in the harbor, but I'm butchering this phrase, but you know what I mean. The harbor is safe, but that's not what boats are meant for. So this, I, these are the people that freak out if, oh my gosh, you know, if a 12 year old has to stay like for an hour or two, but I stayed home like all afternoon by myself when I was 12. Last key kid, there was a legal agent. You could do it in the state of Missouri at the time. It's just sad. This is just, I like, it's like they don't want kids to have any fun at all anymore. And I, and good for that dad, that dad's involved in his kid's life. That dad is helping his kid build confidence and, I think that's I thought that was a great video. I thought that was there was nothing wrong with that. And kudos to him for sharing and all the people that are freaking out over it need to go and touch grass. Oh, my gosh. Their kids are going to be the ones that are going to be inside, you know, planning a mass murder with their A.I. way food. That's what's going to happen. Good grief. All right. We got more to come. And I don't say not all tech kids are like that before the people weep and gnash teeth at me. Stop it.
SPEAKER 05 :
And now all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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I'm having a lot of caffeine today for some reason. It's good. And I'm really feeling silly. So we'll see. West Virginia love triangle involved. Oh my gosh. Sounds like that Stefan. So West Virginia love triangle and it has it all. Brass knuckles, pink camouflage handgun, and a pregnant woman. And it ended with three people being arrested. Yeah, that all happened in West Virginia. People have been drama. Moundsville police say they got a report that a woman was threatened with bodily injury. And what ended up happening is, yeah, that was a love triangle that got way out of hand. And lots of people were arrested. Clearly, there's not a lot of standards right here with these three.
SPEAKER 05 :
It's a horrific story, really.
SPEAKER 17 :
I can't even read it all because it sounds... It sounds like an insane story that only makes it onto Reddit.
SPEAKER 05 :
Just so you know, several people forced someone to take a pregnancy test and not leave until they had the actual result. Yeah, it's a crazy story. I didn't write it.
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Anyway, moving on. Oh, a moose won't move. So they had to close a popular trail in New York. Because this moose was not going to get out of the way. I wouldn't either out of spite. It was a bull moose on Goodman Mountain and it has not moved from the area. So they had to close this hiking trail because of the moose. You know, they can be actually quite mean. And because you have this like... You know, there's quite a few people that like to try to get selfies with these animals. And then they're like, I can't believe I got hurt. I stood in front of this charging moose. I was trying to take a selfie. And the moose charged me. They're shocked about it. So they had to close this trail because they didn't want people getting hurt. I don't know. Like part of me wants to just be like, no, it's open, guys. Go ahead. It's completely safe. Well, we're going to talk about this with Kurt Schlichter coming up. But what is the what is the disease that they're saying or the issue that Trump has with his like veins and circulation? That's like they just address that at the White House press conference. And we're going to play that here coming up. But it's like not a big issue. But the left is freaking out and acting like he's got this issue that causes swelling and is like ankles and. some vein issues in his hands, and the left is trying to make it a big deal. Oklahoma farmer was killed by water buffalo that he bought at an auction the day before, say police. They're also mean. It was in Oklahoma. That's a horrible story. I mean, it was a pretty gruesome story. It was in Oklahoma, and the guy didn't have a chance. These things just went wild. Let's see here. Had a little bit of a freeze. We've got Kurt Schlichter, who's going to be joining us next. And we'll play that audio for you that they addressed at the White House press avail just a little bit ago about POTUS's condition. Stick with us.
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On another note, I know that many in the media have been speculating about bruising on the president's hand and also swelling in the president's legs. So in the effort of transparency, the president wanted me to share a note from his physician with all of you today. In recent weeks, President Trump noted mild swelling in his lower legs. In keeping with routine medical care and out of an abundance of caution, this concern was thoroughly evaluated by the White House Medical Unit. The President underwent a comprehensive examination, including diagnostic vascular studies. Bilateral lower extremity venous Doppler ultrasounds were performed and revealed chronic venous insufficiency, a benign and common condition, particularly in individuals over the age of 70. Importantly, there was no evidence of deep vein thrombosis or arterial disease. Laboratory testing included a complete blood count, comprehensive metabolic panel, coagulation profile, D-dimer, B-type natriuretic peptide, and cardiac biomarkers. All results were within normal limits. An echocardiogram was also performed and confirmed normal cardiac structure and function. No signs of heart failure, renal impairment, or systemic illness were identified.
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So when I was listening to this, and that happened just moments ago at the White House press availability today, my first thought was, you know, they didn't even have to make that public. It's not a big deal. They didn't have to make it public. The second thought I had was, now you see, that's transparency. That's how you handle something. You come out and you're transparent about it. But the left is trying to act like it's the same thing as hiding that Biden's brain was made of cheese. It's not. Let's get some reaction on this from our friend Kurt Schlichter, author, commentator, trial lawyer, retired colonel. His new book, American Apocalypse, the second American Civil War is the number one bestseller in military thrillers. Congratulations, my friend. It's available now. Good to see you.
SPEAKER 18 :
Hey, thank you. And all I can say is I'm glad the president wasn't suffering any prostate problems. So we don't have to hear about those, too. Yeah. Also, to you, young whippersnappers, welcome to the world of aging. Yeah, it's a delight.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's like that's like a common thing. And, you know, honestly, I mean, they didn't even really have to share that. It's not even a huge issue.
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No, I was actually watching the press conference as I was shuffling my multiple media appearances today. And I was like, wow, she's coming out. Telling them what's going on, and then she's going to follow it up with a memo from the doctor. Yeah. I'm sure there'll be somebody out there who believes it's part of a giant conspiracy, probably involving the Jews, to somehow do something terrible. Yeah. And I got to tell you, I'm exhausted by stupid people right now. Oh, I'm right there with you. I'm right there with you. Oh, you don't take any nonsense.
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No, I've known you for 15 years.
SPEAKER 18 :
Look who's talking.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, my gosh. No, this I thought it was. That's what transparency. That's how it should work. I mean, that's how. Yeah, that's how. Honestly, if Biden's I mean, I if they had come out in the very beginning and said, oh, he's struggling with some issues there. I think the American people would have been a lot more forgiving. But it's always the cover up that's worse.
SPEAKER 18 :
Huge. If you came out and said, look, I'm getting older. I'm fine. And I'm forgetting. I still think I can be president. But, you know, the minute I don't, I'm going to I'm going to step aside. Everybody go. Oh, OK. Yeah. I mean, that's OK. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
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not it not not the biggest issue in the world not the biggest issue in the world uh your book american apocalypse the second american civil war we're going to talk about this the here coming up to the civil war within the democrat side i wanted to get your thoughts on this ma'am donnie guy because a lot of people are like oh well it's just new york city i get it but i feel like they're trying to use this guy as like a rebranding opportunity for socialism they had this um Takano, a guy from your state, California, Democrat rep out of California, who said, oh, well, you know, I think people over the age of 40, he told The Hill, they just don't, they look, they hear the word socialist and they think of Castro. You know, they think of like, you know, Venezuela. And they don't think of people like AOC who fights for the working people. I have got to get your reaction to this because if people don't know, Kurt's lovely missus is Cuban. So they kind of have some insight into this.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, yeah, yeah. Irina is not fooled, nor is her family. They know what's going on with these guys. Look, this guy is an Indian-Ugandan immigrant. He's been here, what, a citizen for seven years? He's an outright communist. And the Democrats are thinking, well, this is the play that's going to win us back. And I look at them, and one of the problems is, you know, the Democrat Party is not... They're not fighting for the working guy. They haven't in a long time. They are... Playing up to the obsessions and the concerns of the SSRI gobbling, oaky chardonnay guzzling, suburban wine woman, the kind of kind of lady who has hate has no home here sign on her front yard. And she like stares at you as you walk by to make sure your dog doesn't pee on the grass.
SPEAKER 17 :
I like how you went for the deep cut of an oaky chardonnay.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I like that, right? Specificity is the key to comedy, I learned when I was doing stand-up. I love it. Always be specific. But, no, I mean, normal people are going to look at this guy and go, he hates me and everything I'm about. I don't want anything to do with him. A bunch of trustafarian kids in New York City are going to think it's fun because he's going to promise he's going to make the rent less.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. Yeah, and he didn't understand. Apparently, I read how he thought one of his plans for having cheap groceries was to buy in bulk and then sell them that way. Whoa!
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I'm glad we had Mamdami come along to think of that. Right? I mean... Wow, volume discounts. That's a revolutionary. It's just so dumb. And of course, you got three other guys running. All of them selfishly think, oh, I'm the guy. So no one will drop out. So he'll probably get in by default. Default being the way losers like Mamdami tend to win.
SPEAKER 17 :
And it's not we don't dislike Curtis Sliwa. He just doesn't win. No, he's just going to lose.
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Yeah. So sorry, guy. You're a good guy. You've done a lot of good things. And now you need to take a hit and you're not taking a hit and you should. Yeah, absolutely. You know, step up and do what you got to do. Yeah, I agree with that. And the problem, look, I mean, look, the other guys underestimated Donald Trump. And we're like, yeah, I hope the Republicans nominate him because he'll never win. And that backfired on him. And we always got to be concerned that Mamdami doesn't turn into some sort of superstar. He'll have the whole regime media behind him lying for him. So it's always a possibility. But I think there's something to be said for having cautionary examples. Of course, half the time I live in a cautionary example, California, and we've got Gavin Newsom out there attempting to make the case that all America should be California. And if you like hobos on your lawn, I guess that's a good idea.
SPEAKER 17 :
But let me ask you this about Newsom, because I forgot that the Olympics were going to be in Los Angeles in the same the summer right before a presidential election. So. The Olympics in July. And then in November, everybody goes and votes in the 28th election. That's insane. And is that I feel like that's going to be more detrimental to Newsom because, you know, he's going to run. He's setting himself up to run. He wants to be and Democrats will have him. But talk a little bit about because you're a Californian, like lifelong, your family's from California. You have literally watched this guy's ascendancy from start to current position and where he's taken the state. Is this not like a major opportunity to highlight how disastrous he is? Because how in the world can the Olympics be in Los Angeles with the current state of things?
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Well, they can't. Los Angeles is a failing city. Look, I got here in 72 when Reagan was the governor. And I grew up, you know, spent the 70s and the 80s in California. OK, everything. Yeah. The beach. Yeah. The music. Yeah. The cars. But there was also something. That you could do whatever you wanted to do. And Andrew Breitbart felt very much the same way. And he went out and did what he wanted to do. And now I do what I want to do. I'm just some suburban kid from San Mateo, California. What am I doing having a bestselling book? American Apocalypse. Buy it now. But because I'm a true Californian, it never occurred to me that I couldn't. There was never anything, well, guys like you can't write books. It was like, what do I want to do next? And I, you know, army officer, lawyer. stand-up comic I got a writer I got to do it never occurred to me I couldn't do these things that's a dream of California and that started dying in the 90s and I see these young people today and they grow up in California and they're depressed and they feel like they don't have a future that's exactly the opposite of what California should be but that's the California Gavin Newsom a feudal state where a few rich people have everything they want and everybody else struggles and Oh, and they have a servant class, too, of illegal aliens. Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, that's a great point. Yeah, he said that he was worried about apparently getting kidnapped by ICE on the street, like being put in cuffs and thrown into a van with his kids. Gavin Newsom. Yeah. Get that. We got to get that. He said that he was speaking and he said that he was worried about what what audio somebody was that, guys? Yeah. Can we play 13 or 12? Yeah. Go and play 12. Let's have Kurt listen to this. I got to get his reaction.
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I worry about people's lives. I'm telling you, we're on the verge. This is this is serious. I mean, if someone just randomly, if I'm walking down the street with my kids and someone grabs me with a mask on and tries to throw me in an unmarked van and I am looking at my kids, I'm surprised someone hasn't gotten hurt. Someone is going to get hurt.
SPEAKER 18 :
Nobody's going to get hurt because he doesn't let us carry concealed weapons. That's true. I mean, for God's sake, I was a brigade deputy brigade commander. I commanded literally over a thousand guys with machine guns on the street of L.A. And if I want to go carry a gun here legally, I've got to go ask a GS three. Right. Who who who's 28 years old and then get a psych exam. OK, so he's he's basically made it. So, yeah, those those problems would exist in, say, maybe Texas, you know, but but not here. So, Gavin, thank you on behalf of ICE. Yeah, you you've you've made it safe for ICE to arrest illegal aliens.
SPEAKER 17 :
I love how he leaves that nuance out. He's like he just acts like there's random people driving around in kid toucher vans that are just going to scoop him up.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, when the guy comes up to you and says, hey, soy ice, and throws you in a van. And of course, there's all these exceptions, right? Did you know you couldn't be arrested for committing a crime if you're in the company of your kids taking a walk? I was like, grandfather walking his dog arrested by ICE. And I was like, wow, did I miss the grandfather walking his dog exception to American law.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right. Yeah. And maybe don't just commit the crime. I want to ask you about your book, The American Apocalypse, Second American Civil War. And it talks about It envisions the country. I mean, I say envision, but it kind of sounds like, you know, now a conflict ripping apart, getting ripped apart after conflict assassinations. I mean, all hell breaks loose. And then you have the story of every single American. Doesn't matter if they're red or blue or what. Everybody's trying to survive in the midst of all of this and get their freedom back. If it ever got to that point, I don't even know how people get their freedom back. I just feel like, you know, it's like they don't. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
It becomes a different country. Look, as I've said before, and as a character in the books points out, there's three different ways we can go. We have a free society. Everybody gets their civil rights protected. Everybody gets to participate and have a say. That's that's option one. Option two, leftist dictatorship. Option three, right wing authoritarian dictatorship. I can I want number one. If I have to choose, I'll take number three. I'm not having a leftist dictatorship. That's when we fight.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's an honest, I think that's a very honest assessment. I mean, you don't like, we don't like any authoritarianism, but my gosh, the leftist, just the leftist, the ideology at its core is just rotten and sadistic. It is.
SPEAKER 18 :
But they they don't believe we have a legitimate right to participate in our own governance. They don't believe the election of Donald Trump is legitimate or that the Republican majority in the Congress is legitimate or the Republican appointed majority on the Supreme Court is legitimate. So every single thing we do is morally wrong and unacceptable. At one time, they would have said, OK, you passed some taxes and I don't like I don't like your tax policy. I like other tax policies. Let's move on. But this has become a quasi religious thing. They've like they filled up that hole where normal people fill with faith, family and the flag. And they fill up with this commie gobbledygook and bizarre pagan climate nonsense and gender idiocy. And and it becomes you don't it doesn't become disagree. It becomes heresy. What do you do with heretics? You burn them. What do you do with literal Hitler? You lock and load. I mean, where do you go when your opponents are Hitler? Yeah. What's the limiting principle?
SPEAKER 17 :
Exactly. Right. That's a great question. The book is American Apocalypse, the second American Civil War. You can get it at Amazon right now. Order it at Amazon. Get it at Amazon. That's right. And it's super easy to do. You can start reading immediately. Kurt Schlichter, always, always happy to see you, my friend. And tell your beautiful wife hello. We miss her. We miss both of y'all. Hopefully we'll see you soon in Texas.
SPEAKER 18 :
I hope so, too. And don't miss the Dana and Chris Lash cameo in American Apocalypse. It's worth the price.
SPEAKER 17 :
I am very excited. I have not read it yet. I am very excited to see this. Well, I know because you told me you're like there's a cameo and I'm like, this is my next read. I'm finishing up another friend's book. I'm like, this is my next read. And I'm excited. So thank you. for the cameo. Very excited about that.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, excellent. I look forward to seeing you guys soon.
SPEAKER 17 :
Good to see you. Kurt Schlichter, the book, American Apocalypse. Why am I saying that? Second American Civil War. Go and get it now. And you can subscribe over to my Substack, over at my Substack, chapter and verse, because I send out a lot of stuff. We had a couple of deep dive pieces this week, including one on the Epstein thing and how the Epstein case is more than just about Epstein. It's really the...
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symbol of the two-tier justice system and why people are mad all right today in stupidity came juan this is cut 19 cbs correspondent wants to make it all about him apparently his ptsd after the trump assassination because people blamed the media listen to this for those of us there it was such a horror because you saw an emerging america
SPEAKER 03 :
And it wasn't the shooting, Chuck. I got diagnosed with PTSD within 48 hours. They put on trauma leave. Not because, I think, of the shooting, but because you saw it.
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It's all about that guy. Folks, that does it for us tonight. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your evening. I will be back behind the mic with you tomorrow.
Join us this week on The Crawford Stand as Don Crawford explores the profound impact of the Declaration of Independence. Hear how America's founding fathers were inspired by a higher moral law, one deeply rooted in the teachings of Jesus Christ. They sought not only to establish a nation free from tyranny but also a place where life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were seen as divine rights bestowed by the Creator. Discover the revolutionary spirit embodied by figures like Patrick Henry, who famously declared 'give me liberty or give me death,' and delve into the spiritual inspirations that shaped their vision. As Crawford reflects on these historic figures, he also draws parallels between their struggle for earthly freedoms and the higher freedoms found through faith in Jesus Christ. Whether you are familiar with the tenets of the Declaration or are new to its spiritual dimensions, this episode offers insights into how these principles still resonate today. Listen in and find inspiration in the promise of life abundant and joy eternal as envisioned by our forefathers, affirmed by the scripture, and lived in faith.
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The Crawford Stand. This week, the president of Crawford Broadcasting Company, Don Crawford, continues his discussion of the declaration made to King George of England, resulting in a revolutionary war for freedom, to gain life, liberty, and happiness.
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So say the founding fathers of this great country in 1776. The creator of all, we refer to him as God the Father, and all things, that Creator endowed every human being so born with unalienable rights. Those rights, God given, could not be changed or eliminated in any way by mankind. They were part of the DNA, the genetic inheritance of every man and woman at birth, and through all of life, they could not be changed. Those unalienable rights were the cornerstone of the new nation, that which made America the shining light on the hill, an example to all mankind and all nations, making America, our beloved country, both different and better, a model of hope and understanding for all humankind. Life, life, the Declaration of Independence prioritized life, that all should live life to the fullest. The great Creator, our God the Father, fully agreed. The Son of that Father was the epitome of that life, even our Lord Jesus Christ. And even as the Founding Fathers were concerned with life here and the natural laws which protected that life, then came a higher law, the highest moral law, and that was evident in the person of Jesus Christ. He told us that whoever finds him finds life, real life, a life which no natural law or king or government can give. He told us that he was the bread of life, that partaking of the bread and blood would transform any human life and bring it to the next level, to the very fullest it could be. The founding fathers took their inspiration for life, at least to some extent, from him. But the life promised by Jesus Christ was not only for here and now, but even more so for eternity. Eternal life. To be sure, life there should be an abundant life, so he said. And the Christ of glory, Jesus of Nazareth, was concerned that our joy here might be full, both here and hereafter. The resurrection promised us that new life, a saving proposition, which formed the belief of many of the founding fathers, was the ultimate law, the ultimate natural fulfillment of all things worthwhile. There was, said the Christ, the book of life in which the name of all who believe would be written. And that was the written indication of the guarantee of life eternal, the guarantee of that. Isn't that fantastic? Natural law and all that was envisioned by the founding fathers was taken to the next level, the highest possible moral level, by and in the person of our Lord Jesus Christ. Ah, what a blessing to have a life abundant here. Life here can be so wonderful, but much more importantly, to firmly and confidently expect life eternal there, as we say, up there and with him. And then liberty and freedom. The great revolutionary Patrick Henry said the following, Give me liberty or give me death. Give me liberty or give me death. If I don't have liberty, said Henry, then I would rather die. For him not to live free was worse than death. To live forever under British law and yoke was intolerable, as bad or even worse than death. No matter the cost, all colonists, all Americans, had to live free no matter what. Live free or die. The motto, the great motto of one of our states. But there was a higher freedom. Then came the Son, the only one who can really set anyone totally free. No human being could live to the fullest without absolute freedom of choice, thought, action, and belief. They, all of them, were part of the unalienable rights of the Declaration of Independence. But again, the highest of all was the belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. There is no higher moral law. No man or woman can live without the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But with the higher law, the Christ of glory promised all that He, He was the way and the truth and the life. He not only brought joy through salvation, here and now, but freedom, here and eternally, from all transgressions and sin, His Spirit, the Holy Spirit, came to strengthen, admonish, and encourage all of us as we lived and as we walked with Him. Real freedom. The only liberty which was total and complete was only found in the saving grace of Jesus Christ. There and only there. And then happiness. Life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Happiness, as the individual defined it, was the inalienable right of every human being. But then came that higher law through the holy person, through the holy person of our Lord. Then came the one who brought real joy, real happiness, and showed the way to life abundant, here and with the promise of even more hereafter. Oh, I do hope that our founding fathers, all of them, were influenced, blessed, energized, and enlightened by the joy of Jesus. This man, our Lord, was so determined to teach us the meaning of happiness and life abundant that he gave his life for that purpose, his very life. He admonished us to be cheerful, joyful, happy. We were to have fun and enjoy this world, and enjoy the prospect of the world to come, all the very best of everything, knowing that the ultimate joy, the higher law, that which was above the natural law, was yet to be fulfilled, but would be so for all eternity for those who believed in him. Ultimate joy and happiness would only be accomplished as we live with him eternally, Boy, that's a great promise, is it not? Some, perhaps many of the founding fathers believed this. Boy, I sure hope and pray they did. We who believe in our Lord Jesus Christ and his higher laws of life, liberty, and happiness can well sing that song, Happy am I, happy am I. Jesus loves me, and I love him. We can also sing another great song. I am happy in the service of the King. I am happy, oh, so happy. Why? Because we are in that service. And it does provide ultimate fulfillment and happiness. It really does. We then should be extremely grateful, thankful to those revolutionaries, those founding fathers who gave us the great Declaration of Independence and the even greater Constitution of the United States of 1787, our founding documents and the freedoms they entail, the unalienable rights which they granted to colonists then and to all of us as successor Americans here and now. Thank you, all 56 of you great men who gave us the Declaration of Independence. We, your heirs and successors, have received and lived the fruits of those blessings, and we owe them the highest debt of human gratitude and gratefulness. But there is more, and we have that. We have the more. There are laws and rights higher than the natural laws of 1776. There is life, there is liberty, and there is happiness and joy, all from Him. And we who believe in him can partake of the very best here and now in this life. And we should. Your life should be happy and joyful as much as humanly possible. But with far greater expectation of what is to come in the next life with him.
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In this episode, John Rush engages with Keith Gross, a former prosecutor and author. They traverse through the enthralling yet complicated realm of U.S. governance focusing particularly on the controversial use of the autopen under Joe Biden's administration. The dialogue explores past and present predicaments in the presidential office while shedding light on the requisite changes needed to safeguard future democratic processes.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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And we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Our next guest, Keith Gross, joining us now, a legal analyst and former assistant state attorney, prosecutor for the state of Florida, also served in the National Guard, and author of Dirt Roads to Runways, Defending the American Dream for the Next Generation. Keith, welcome. How are you? Doing great. How are you? I'm great. I really appreciate you joining us. And there's, of course, a lot of conversation going on right now about, you know, the auto pen. And did Joe Biden really know what was being signed? You know, he's coming out now saying he absolutely said that, you know, everything that was signed was something that he actually, you know, quote unquote, initiated or approved. I frankly, Keith, have a really hard time. believing that. I think for me, though, the problem is how are we going to go back and even prove what he was cognizant of and not?
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You know, it's interesting to see this sort of thing playing out. Joe Biden recently gave an interview to Fox News where he acknowledged that he didn't know the details of the names on some of those documents, particularly the pardons that were issued. He said he didn't actually know all of the names. So I don't know how you can agree to something if you don't know what it is that sort of makes that authority that he supposedly delegated invalid. Right. And now to your question, how do you prove it? Well, I'm hopeful that Pam Bondi and the current DOJ is going to run these leads down. They're going to interview witnesses. They're going to talk to people who were around at the time and try to gather facts and probably will be able to highlight some inconsistencies since I think we all know this was a silent coup.
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Yeah, and I don't disagree with you. I'm not – I'll just be straight up honest. If anything comes of this as far as pardons being reversed and things along those lines, Keith, I will be extremely shocked. I mean, if it happens, great. I will be shocked. My whole – Thought or maybe goal with this would be, OK, how do we fix this from happening in the future? I get it. There are times when an auto pen is necessary, depending upon what's being done. You know, for example, there needs to be, you know, 10,000 letters written and you want the signature to look authentic because the president is thanking somebody for something or even groups of individuals and so on. And by the way, I think that's really what its main intent was for is exactly what I just said a moment ago. It's not there to fill in for the president when he can't physically sign something like a pardon. Am I right or wrong in my thought process?
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I mean, I do believe that was the original intent, but here's the rub. With the idea of separation of powers, the executive branch gets to manage its own internal affairs. So all of the authority of the executive branch is vested in the executive, i.e. the president. And so just like the Congress, the House and the Senate, they get to create their own rules for how they handle their internal situation. the executive branch gets to make up their own rules. And in the executive branch, that means literally the president gets to decide what the rules are. To that end, I guess what I'm getting at here is it's not like Congress could pass legislation saying the auto pen can't be used for significant acts. The best we could hope for is that maybe there are challenges to some of the Biden pardons or other Biden orders that were signed with that auto pen. And by pursuing that challenge, it could disincentivize future presidents from making the decision to use the auto pen because they would know it's possible for the next guy to come in and challenge it if I use the auto pen.
SPEAKER 14 :
you know what and thank you for that i that was something that really i'll be honest keith i haven't really thought of it in the way you just presented it and that makes sense to me and i and i get also very much so talk about all the time the separation of powers and yes i don't want one interfering with another because i think we then you know water down those separations in the first place so yeah i don't want that either And yes, and I'm with you. I think it'd be very hard for Congress or anyone to pass a quote unquote law saying that, hey, the auto pen can only be used for X, Y and Z. I think you just stated it very well. The best way to maybe keep this from happening in the future. And by the way, not necessarily with this president could be three presidents from now. I have no idea. But the best way to keep things like this from happening is probably, like you said, challenge what already has happened. So I think twice about doing it again.
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Exactly, because if you were the president and you were going to issue a bunch of pardons that were meaningful to you, and you know that a few presidents back, they got dragged into court and it was a big fuss, you'd say, I'm just going to sign it myself instead of run that risk.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, you know what? Again, that was something that I'll be straight up honest, Keith. I hadn't thought of it that way, and I guarantee you there's probably not a lot of Americans that have thought about it that way either. And I also will say this. In defense of a lot of people, myself included, I don't think any of us really realized how much this quote-unquote auto pen gets used until the Biden administration.
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Yeah, I mean, that's definitely where it's come to a head, but that's because we had a person who was drugged up or asleep or mentally incompetent. I don't think any of us really know, but the people around him knew. The cabinet knew. They had an obligation under the 25th Amendment to remove Joe Biden from the presidency. They didn't. They took advantage of the situation, took control of our federal government. and ran a government despite never running for or winning the presidency.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, and I'm not trying to be, you know, mean-spirited here at all. My father has Alzheimer's and dementia, and he's in memory care now, Keith, and I will tell you that watching Joe Biden, knowing, you know, my dad and where he was at with things and watching him literally week to week, And I'm not trying to be mean to Joe Biden, but watching the comparisons between the two, Keith, eerily similar. And what I mean by that is there are definitely times even now with my dad where I could probably get him to agree to anything because, frankly, Keith, he doesn't have any idea what he's agreeing to.
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Most states have laws designed to protect elderly people who are suffering from these situations from predatory actions.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct. Well, like, for example, right now, Keith, with my dad, I am the executor of the estate. I've got power of attorney between my sister and I. We're making all decisions. My dad is not allowed to do anything along those lines, making decisions for himself, of course, rightfully so, Keith, because of what you're saying. Right.
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And that's common sense for most Americans. We understand that some people get to a point where someone else should be making the decisions because they're just not mentally able to do that.
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And Joe Biden, by the way, has been, after watching my dad go through this, Keith, and our family watching this firsthand, I'm here to tell you that Joe Biden's been there for at least two years.
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Yeah, it was sad to watch, and it was sad for America, because think about the national security danger that placed us in. If there had been a major situation, I mean, I think we've all seen reenactments in such high-tensity situations in the Situation Room in the White House when there's a global conflict happening. I can't imagine someone with Joe Biden's mental state manning our Defense Department in that room.
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So a bigger question I've had all along, not just with the auto pen, the pardons, and so on, but my bigger question is, okay, I have my own gut feeling on this, but my question is, who is actually then making key decisions and running things? Was it Jill? Was it Hunter? Was it other family members? Was it cabinet members? Was it a combination of? Those are the questions, Keith, that I really want answered.
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I think those are the questions that most of America wants answered. And that's what I hope the current Department of Justice will dig into, because they need to have some serious investigation and interview a lot of witnesses and get to the bottom of that. I mean, I think we should. reasonably expect that it was probably the chief of staff that was ultimately at the top of that pyramid in Joe Biden's mental absence, where the chief of staff would have been saying, here's what the president has ordered you to do. And how are we to know if that's really what happened? Maybe the president didn't even know the situation existed. Good point. Good point.
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And so what I have said publicly and I'll keep saying is I am not as concerned with the auto pen and signatures as to the things you and I just said a moment ago. I'm more concerned about that end of it and digging into that and just knowing who was really making a lot of the decisions. I guess the way I'm saying this, Keith, is the pardons and the signatures of are just sort of the tip of the iceberg of the whole problem. Yes, that's something we can start digging into, but I want to dig deeper and know more about what else was happening, not just those signatures.
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Oh, I think we all want to know. I mean, you've got to think about how much constitutional power is vested in one person, in the president himself. All of the power of the executive branch and all of the executive branch agencies ultimately flows from one elected president. If that person's not mentally there and someone else is at the switch, the voters got gypped.
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Yeah. And again, I'm, I am, I'm always very, how should I say this, I don't have high expectations, because I understand how the wheels of government work and how slowly things, you know, develop. And I also understand that there's a lot of things on, you know, the plates of these individuals that have to do these things. And yes, we've got a lot of irons in the fire. So I don't hold a lot of, you know, high expectations. And maybe that's wrong on my part, Keith.
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Well, sadly, I share that same glim view, I guess, because usually people aren't held accountable in Washington. That's why it's so broken. Let's hope this time is different. Let's hope they get to the bottom of this and ensure that this sort of misconduct doesn't repeat in the future.
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All right. Talk to us about your book, Dirt Roads to Runways. A, what's the book about? And B, how do folks buy it?
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Well, it's available anywhere books are sold. It's at amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com. It is an audiobook on Audible, and it's basically an autobiography that walks through growing up in a small town in rural Florida and growing multiple businesses from the ground up to being national companies. I faced government overreach at every step of the way, and it really brought a lot of life lessons on how government should operate and how far off track we've gotten since my grandparents' generation raised my parents. And so... it's just a look at that, you know, it's common sense wisdom. And I think if America applied some of that common sense, small town way of thinking, we'd have a much better country than we have today.
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Amen. As a fellow business owner, A, thank you for writing that. I appreciate it. I, like you, have not the exact same story, but similar stories. And I've been self-employed since I was 22 years of age. So I get very well what you're talking about here. And I always appreciate others that have done the same thing and then write about it because that's how other people can learn. So Keith, thank you very much. You're in great company, as you can tell. You're welcome here anytime. Thanks so much. I'd be happy to join. Appreciate it, Keith. Have a great rest of your day, and we'll have him back in the future. And again, the book, Dirt Roads to Runways, and that's on Amazon. You can find it there. Al Smith did an interview here of late. Listen in. I'll be back right after Al at Golden Eagle Financial.
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TJ here with KLZ Radio, and I've got Al Smith with me once again. How are you, Al? I'm doing great. How are you, TJ? Doing pretty good. We've been talking about retirement and all that kind of stuff, and I was just curious, what do you usually talk about with the folks that come in for retirement planning? What does that mean?
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Well, if somebody's close to that transition where they're thinking about their 401k and where do you want to allocate that, where's the best place to have that invested? And some people who were fortunate enough to have a pension will have a conversation about that, especially if it comes to selecting a survivorship option.
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And how does that fit with life insurance and that kind of thing, with pensions and life insurance?
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If someone takes a big reduction in their pension, that's what they need to do in order to have a spouse collect part of their pension should they pass on. But that reduction in their pension will only benefit them if the primary worker dies before the spouse. Sometimes people choose life insurance instead. which may not provide quite as much financial benefit, but there's a certainty that the money will stay in their family.
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And is that always a good idea to do, or how do you help folks make that decision?
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Well, it's kind of a long conversation to some degree, because if someone has health concerns, then selecting that survivorship option is always a good idea, because it makes it much more likely that your spouse will collect that survivor benefit. On the other hand, sometimes the other spouse may be anticipating an inheritance.
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That is amazing and complicated, and that's why I lean on you to learn all about the retirement process. Al, thanks so much for joining us today. Well, you're welcome. Tell folks how to get in touch with you.
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You can reach me at my office, 303-744-1128. If you get voicemail, I return those very quickly.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. I was informed yesterday on the text line, and again, I read as many of the text messages as I can, even on air. I don't get all of them read. Charlie had a great idea yesterday where I will do my best to see if I can't get this done, and that is to make all... Text messages, and some, of course, we could eliminate depending upon what the question actually is, but make all of them visible where people can go in and just read those messages. And I give responses to almost every text message that we get. And sometimes I might have one slip through the cracks. Some days we get a lot. And they may not be able to respond to all of them. But Charlie had a great idea yesterday. So I'm working on that and see if we can't get that maybe put into a page on the Web site where you all could read what some of those messages are and how we respond and so on. And again, I do my very best to respond to those. But I had a message that came in yesterday talking about the whole Epstein thing and Donald Trump and the fact that Donald Trump is now supporting a special prosecutor to investigate the Jeffrey Epstein case. And I'm just going to tell you straight up, that's not true. I cannot find any information to back that up. There's one article out there on one website that gives mention of this, and I have not found that any other place. So, in light of that, Tuesday, Andy and I are going to run through I'm going to call it the good, the bad, the ugly of folks that are on mainstream media, folks that are on the podcasting influencer and social media end of things. So I'm going to run through, I'll probably miss some, but I'm going to run through a large majority of what I feel are folks that influence and start some of these quote unquote rumors, which in this case is all it was. And I'm going to do my very best to run through all of those. So here's what I'm asking you all on the text line. If you know of some that are really good that you follow and you think that they give out pretty solid information and they tend to be right a lot of the time, not right as in on the right, but they're correct the majority of the time, please send me their name and I'll add that to the list. On the same token, if you find some that you just know they throw out a lot of what I call clickbait, meaning that they throw stuff out, they're hoping it sticks, they get a lot of views and likes and looks at and so on because that's how they make money. You know what? I would like to know who those people are as well. And we're going to run through as many of those as we can. We'll take probably an entire hour on Tuesday. Andy and I will. I gave Andy some homework even on that today where he can start researching some of this. For example, I'll start on the far left. Rachel Maddow, who, by the way, is probably on the top of my list being on the far left and throwing disinformation out from the left. All the way to the far right, Alex Jones, who frankly, yeah, a blind squirrel finds a nut periodically, but he's about as far right and wrong as Maddow is on the left being wrong. So that's kind of my example of far left, far right, both of them being extremely wrong the majority of the time. And then I will go to everybody else that fits in between there, and I'll talk about those on Tuesday. The reason why I brought that up is because this particular article and where this rumor was that Donald Trump supports appointing a special prosecutor, again, I have not read anywhere, any shape, any form that he said this himself. I think there's some folks out there like the Steve Bannons and Laura Loomers of the world that would like to see this happen, but nowhere have I seen Donald Trump actually admit to or say that he's actually going to be doing that. And by the way, those are two names that, man alive, there are times where I think they're spot on, and there's other times I think they're absolute wackadoodles. So I'll just throw that out, and I'll tell you more about that on Tuesday. And I'm going to give you guys all my opinion on... a lot of these you know quote-unquote you know influencers or folks that are in media and some of them aren't really in media they've got their own website or they've got maybe a YouTube channel or they've got a tick-tock channel or whatever and they consider themselves a media but they're really not but they do make money on all of the things that they push out and it's one thing I constantly remind people of The more sensational they can make something sound, or make it be, I should say, the more views, clicks, likes, and so on they get, and that's how they make money. And by the way, these people exist not just in politics. They exist on the car sides of things. I follow a lot of them that are in the automotive world. I follow some of them just to see what stupid thing they're going to say next. I follow some that are on the real estate end of things. I mean, there's a lot of these folks I follow in a lot of different areas just to see, you know, the pulse of what kind of that that wackadoodle side is saying. I hate to say it that way, but I do because I look at that to determine man alive. I don't I don't ever want to be that. I don't want to be anybody that's out there just pushing an agenda and pushing something because it gets us more listeners here. It's not my goal. And I think I can say this proudly. I will say this proudly. And I love all of you that listen. Believe me, I do. And I appreciate all of you listening. And I appreciate the fact that you're here and that you listen in and that you utilize our sponsors and so on. And I mean that sincerely. But I'm also going to tell you something else sincerely. I don't have to do this. I don't have to be here. Monetarily speaking, I don't have to be here. And I'm not saying that to be a jerk or to be rude or to be proud or anything like that, but I don't have to be here to make a living. I have that covered in other ways. I do this because I love what I do here. I feel like I'm making a difference on a daily basis. I feel like I'm giving out really good information to a lot of you to where you can really sit down and analyze and think through things reasonably. That's why the show is Rush to Reason. I want you to reason through things and then come up with your own decisions on certain topics. But I don't have an agenda to have more listeners because that's how I make my living. And I think that's the biggest difference between me, by the way, and even a lot of the other hosts that are in town right now. Not only those that are out on the whole media end of things, social media and so on. Yeah, I like all of you guys and I like you being here and I like you listening to me and so on. But I don't have to have you to make a living. And by the way, I think that's what separates me and Andy from a lot of the other hosts and people that are out there is because I can do things differently than everybody else because of that fact. And I do feel like that's what separates us as a program versus a lot of others because I'm not beholden to anybody. I don't have to do this every day. In fact, I've always said all along, I've told my wife this, and I mean this sincerely, when this stops being fun, I'm done. Because I don't have to be here. But it's still fun, and I'm still here. It's 11 years later, and I'm going to keep doing it because I still enjoy it. I still have fun, and I still enjoy talking to all of you, and I enjoy being with Charlie and working with him and all of what we do. So it's still fun, and I'm going to keep doing it. But my point is I don't have to. I don't do this for likes and views and clicks and so on. I do it because I love doing what I do, and I want you all to be more informed today than you were yesterday. So that's why I keep doing what I do. Dan and Blackhawk, you're next.
SPEAKER 13 :
Also, since this Epstein thing doesn't seem to be going away, how long ago, and I mean, I know about him. I watched the show on Netflix or whatever. How long ago was he doing what he was doing?
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2002 to 2005 is what he was actually, the time frame that he was going to be prosecuted for why he was in jail, I should say. It was 2002 to 2005. Okay, so this is...
SPEAKER 13 :
A question I have, everybody wants these files, whatever, so they can get names, I guess?
SPEAKER 14 :
I guess so, Dan. Yeah, I've heard from other listeners to where they want everything released so that they can go through and read things for themselves. And as I've even explained on the National Crawford Roundtable, I hate to say this, but for a lot of people, Dan, you're an accountant, you get this. Most people can't read a tax return. Most people wouldn't be able to read these files. It literally would be most people would be like a monkey reading a roadmap.
SPEAKER 13 :
But it... So my question is, if it was that long ago, is that almost 20 years ago?
SPEAKER 14 :
Two decades plus ago. Yes, two decades plus.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I don't know if most people understand the statute of limitations.
SPEAKER 14 :
Most don't.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so even if we get names of people that supposedly went to his island and did inappropriate stuff with minors, which is an atrocity, and I agree that that's wrong.
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I agree.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, that should never have happened.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 13 :
And, you know, but at the same time, it's a statute of limitations, and you can't... I mean, unless they change the law... They couldn't prosecute these individuals, whoever they are.
SPEAKER 14 :
And in a lot of cases, we even heard – I played this from Dershowitz the other day, Tuesday, Dan, that the simple fact that there's a lot of these folks that were even in these files that, frankly, are no longer around. They have died. Some of them might still be in office. A lot of them probably are not in office any longer. The reality is – And I'm like you. Yes, I always want justice for anybody that would harm a minor, especially. But, Dan, I think it's a lot harder. And I just think that finally and I think this is what the DOJ and even Donald Trump have realized that, wow, this is an undertaking and. As Andy said on Tuesday, you know, the chain of command of these documents even, who's been fussing with them, do we know they're actually all legit? Has there been anybody that's been interfering with any of these things? It's a simple manpower to go through and determine everything I just said. I'm just going to tell you straight up, Dan, we have bigger fish to fry.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. And so what you're talking about, the media influencers and podcasters and stuff like that I saw, Is it Levitt? Is she the press secretary?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that's the press secretary, absolutely, yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so I saw a little excerpt from her saying that, you know, this is just, and of course they're always saying Democrats, but I would say liberals drumming up something to, anything they can do to attack Trump and his lack of what they think he's doing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
And, you know, so it's like there's a lot going on, And the media, the mainstream media is not covering what's the positives that are occurring. No. Everything is negative.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Tuesday, you know, Andy did a fabulous job on Tuesday of literally rattling off a lot of those things. And Bob Duco did it as well in the podcast, rattling off some of the things that you're talking about in regards to, you know, what all has been accomplished in the past six months. How about we focus on that instead of this other stuff?
SPEAKER 13 :
Right, because one article the week that we sent those bunker busters to Iran, that Friday they worked out a peace deal between Rwanda and Congo, I guess. I can't know the exact, but they worked out a peace deal with them where they're going to work together for peace. But yet, you know, everybody was talking about, oh, we're going into World War III and this and that and everything else. And I'm like, really? Is that why Rubio worked out a peace deal with those two countries? And it wasn't even covered in the news.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, and Dan, thank you, by the way. I appreciate you saying some of those things, because that's the kind of stuff that frankly should be making headline news. Not Steve Bannon and Laura Loomer talking about, you know, the possibility of Trump assigning a special prosecutor, because the reality is he hasn't agreed to that. Those two would love to see that. And I've got something I'm going to talk about a little bit later, Dan, that I think probably will fit this in even a little bit more on Tuesday. And it's really interesting. For all of you listening, and this is a very, very left publication slate. If any of you have ever heard of it, it is a very, not even leaning, but it is a publication from the left, period. But there is an article that I found in Apple News today, but it's on slate. And it talks about how it's titled, those of you listening can go look this up, Bad Brains. Your brain on revenge looks a lot like your brain on drugs, and there's only one twisted way to get your fix. Now, it says only one twisted way, but let me explain. In fact, what Slate doesn't know, Dan... is they're preaching right from Scripture when they're talking about revenge and what it does to your brain and the fact the only cure for revenge, this is so interesting, Dan, you won't believe this, the only way to cure revenge in your own brain is for you to forgive that other person that wronged you. And Dan, is that not biblical?
SPEAKER 13 :
That is Colossians 3, I think it's 16 through 18. If any of you hold a grudge against another, you should forgive them just as Christ forgave you. And it's amazing that a left-leaning liberal pastor of news actually mentioned that.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's absolutely – and what they're getting – and what they did here is they actually looked at studies where they actually looked at people's brains where something had happened to them and now they've got total revenge in their brain. And the fact that it's very much like people that have a drug problem and how their brain looks and the only cure for it is to forgive that other person. Where I'm going with this, Dan, is I feel like there are people on our side of the aisle – Laura Loomer, Bannon, others, whereby the revenge thing is so big, they feel so wronged by the left. And by the way, I do as well, but I don't think I look at it the same way they do. I just look at this as a grand good versus evil battle that we're going to constantly fight until the Lord comes. And so I look at it that way more so than probably the way they do, Dan. I don't look at it as being personal. wronged as much probably as they do and in turn i feel like they've got this whole revenge mindset it's ingrained in their head they haven't forgiven the other side meaning this is what their brains are wrapped around and no matter what come hell or high water they want revenge huh okay i went through a divorce last year and that kind of sounds like my ex-wife And literally, if you read through this article, these people that have that much of a revenge, a revengeful, make sure I use the right words here, in other words, they want revenge at all costs, no matter what. It does something to their brain, much like drugs do.
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Yeah. And I'll send you a quote, I'll text it to you, about liberalism and enabling people to continue down their path of destruction and it's interesting how they put it but it allows them to keep doing what they're doing but then on the same token I look at people who are on the right and they look down at people that are struggling with drugs and alcohol and everything else and they're being judgmental of them and it's like stop being so judgmental we should be helping these people get out of their life of addiction and their destructive lifestyle, you know, and give them whatever resources they need. But allowing them to keep down that path, which liberalism allows them to do, they think they're helping people, but they're actually helping people destroy their lives. And then we've got people on the right that are critical of those people, and it's like, that's not helping them anywhere, so where do they turn? Who do they turn to?
SPEAKER 14 :
Don't be that person that's either so far on the left that you're so vengeful against the other side that you're blinded by that. On the same token, Dan, I think there's folks that are on our side that can be exactly the same way. And in turn, they really miss the meaning of what really is going on and what really should be focused on because all they want is revenge. I think some of what's happening right now with the Epstein case is that. And the reality is, at the end of the day, that doesn't serve anybody.
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No, because it's distracting from what really needs to be done. You know, the California raids last week where they pulled those miners out of that pot farm, you know, and it's just not right. I mean, that should not be a partisan issue at all. We should not allow kids, miners, to be used for labor or for anything else. They need to grow up and become... useful citizens or productive citizens of society and when they get abused and used they're not going to be productive unless they get the healing that they need that's right and i that's what drives me nuts about these people posting negative things about ice and everything else i'm like so you're okay with legals coming into the country and killing people and sex trafficking kids and everything else. I can't understand that.
SPEAKER 14 :
By the way, those are the same people that would be on the left trying to drum up everything going along with Epstein basically talking in that same way, yet they're fine with open borders and rapists and criminals running across the border, you know, just rip-shod back and forth. They don't care about that. They're talking out of both sides of their mouth.
SPEAKER 13 :
They are, and it's just, I don't, this should not be This should not be a partisan issue.
SPEAKER 15 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 13 :
We should want... I mean, biblically speaking, borders, secured borders are a biblical thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 13 :
You read it in Proverbs, and it talks about, you know, you establish the boundaries, and you don't violate those boundaries. So it's a biblical thing to have secured borders. That's right. Just like, you know, so... But anyway, that's... So that was the Epstein thing. This whole thing is just driving me nuts with people... getting up in arms over something. I mean, don't get me wrong. I, I'm what he did to those girls is horrible. And, uh, he might be making his payment in eternity for all I know. And, um, but we can't, we, there's nothing, I don't want to say there's nothing we can do about it, but even if we get these names or whatever, what are we going to do about it?
SPEAKER 14 :
But, Dan, that has been my point part of last week. And this week, I just feel like as a country, as a Department of Justice, as an FBI, you know, literally as a country, as a party, we have so many other things that we could be focused on, including how do we win some of the upcoming elections in 2026, i.e. a governor's race here in Colorado, a Senate race here in Colorado. We've got an attorney general. We've got secretary of state. I mean, that's just in this state alone, Dan. And I look at those things and no offense. I find those far more important than going through all of the Epstein files. That's just me speaking.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's right. Absolutely. So, Dan, thank you very much. I appreciate all of that. Thank you for for the phone call. And again, I'll try to. In fact, I just sent that article that I just was talking to you guys about out of slate to Dr. Kelly and Steve House. Maybe that's something the three of us could even cover on down the road. But it's a really interesting article. And the reason I say that is because it's biblical. I mean, the Lord talks about revenge is mine, you know, vengeance is mine, revenge is mine, you know, saith the Lord. And reality is, because God knows how we're made, because He made us, by the way, so He knows exactly how we're made, He knows what we should carry and what we shouldn't carry, and the reality is that they're now figuring out, you know, scientifically speaking biologically speaking that when you're that revengeful towards someone else it does something to your brain meaning it's much like you being addicted to a drug therefore the only way to cure that is forgiveness of that other person other party that other whatever it's the only cure for that part of your brain and I have to wonder how many people on the right Because we have felt so wronged by the left. And we have been, folks. I'm not trying to give any any pass to the left. We have been wronged by the left over and over and over again. Definitely been wrong. Trust me, folks. I know that full well. I was told during covid I should just die. And I have family members should just die because of my stance on covid and masking and social distancing and the vaccine and so on. I was literally told by more than one person I should just die. I should just go away. I shouldn't be here anymore. It's the likes of you that we don't need around here any longer. Things along those lines. So believe me, folks, I've heard a lot of things from the left over the years. Does that mean I hate them? I hate what they stand for. I don't hate them, but I hate what they stand for. But am I vengeful towards them, and do I want revenge? The revenge, by the way, that I want, and I said this on Tuesday with Andy, I want to win. To me, the best way to defeat the left is winning, not dragging them through court. Now, I do believe, like our last guest said, that there are certain things we need to do court wise to set precedents whereby that doesn't happen again. Yes, I'm all for that. But when it comes to just certain things that certain people want because they want it, because they feel like it's somewhere or another going to poke the left in the eye. Yeah, I know. I don't want that. Because at the end of the day, it's not going to do anything. And maybe it's just me and the way my brain works, folks. And I'm not saying that I don't ever have any animosity towards others. I'm human, just like anybody else is. But I don't carry around grudges. I don't go to sleep at night trying to figure out how can I do this tomorrow to make sure that something's made right. My brain doesn't work that way, folks. Charlie has known me now for several decades, and my brain doesn't operate that way. It just doesn't. I don't think about things in that way. And my fear is we have folks on the right that do, and it's clouding judgment across our party. It's not unifying any way, shape, or form, and it literally is making us – it hinders, I should say, our ability to win because of that. And if there's anything I could stress to our side of the aisle, especially here in Colorado, it's that stop being that way. We are not going to win elections by having that sort of mentality. And until we figure out exactly what we should be doing to win, we won't. So I'm not trying to be super religious on you guys, but this whole article out of Slate talking about, scientifically speaking, how someone's brain works, and literally it's exactly what Scripture tells us. And Slate has no idea they're verifying what the Bible tells us, by the way, but that's exactly what they're doing. And we on the right, who, by the way, should know all of this, and yet we behave the way we do sometimes. Shame on us. Shame on us. Mile High Coin coming up next. And if you're looking for answers as to what the value of your collection of items is, gold, jewelry, watches, those sorts of things, find out today. It's a free appraisal through Mile High Coin for KLZ Radio, Rush to Reason listeners. You can get that done for free. If you want to turn that into cash, David will help you with that as well. David Gonzalez, 720-370-3400.
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All right, I was going to talk about this particular topic earlier in the week, and I'll be honest, we just had so many other things that we did through the week that I just get a chance to do it. And this is big news for a lot of you. Most of you have read this. A lot of you have even texted me information articles and things on this. I think Charlie was one of the first ones to even bring this to my attention. And that is the almost $30 million, $29 million pedestrian bridge that Governor Polis wants to put downtown in honor of the 150th anniversary of Colorado. That's what he's saying anyways. And keep in mind, this is coming into budget cycles whereby, now, they'll tell you there's a lack of budget, but I've talked about that before. Give me the budget and I can get it balanced pretty quick. But anyways. I'm digressing because technically the current legislature is doing everything they can to try to figure out how to pay all the bills. Let's just say it that way, given the current circumstances and what they want to fund. And yet we've got Polis wanting to spend $29 million. And by the way, by the time it's done, it'll be 30 plus. So he wants to spend $30 million on a pedestrian bridge literally to nowhere. Yeah, Charlie's talking in my ear. That's only half of it. Eventually he wants to do more, and that price tag will just keep getting bigger and bigger. So reality is it'll be a bridge to nowhere. It really won't do anything at the end of the day. I guarantee you he's wanting to do this as it'll set some sort of a quote-unquote exit legacy for him that he'll be able to hang his hat on, much like Peña has Peña Boulevard and so on. That's exactly what he's trying to get done here is he wants a pole-less bridge to nowhere. So in light of that, and this is what's interesting, Even the liberal mainstream media in this town is being critical of this. Even the Kyle Clarks of the world are being critical of this, which those guys are typically never critical of Governor Polis ever. But in this particular case, they are. So in my notes, and we'll have this up on our website a little later tonight, there is actually a website whereby the state, the governor, has put up a survey. It's CO, so not zero, but CO like Colorado, CO150Walkway.org. So the number is 150, co150walkway.com. You can actually give feedback and vote on whether or not this is something you want your tax dollars going to. So, by the way, I would encourage every single one of you listening. I don't care if you're in Colorado, Wyoming, whatever. I'm not telling you to cheat on your zip code, but there's really no checks and balances here. So if you're in Wyoming and you want to use an 80-whatever zip code, be my guest. I could really care less because this thing doesn't need to be built. Period. We need as many negatives coming in against this saying, yeah, this is a big fat zero. No way. We don't want it. We don't want to spend money on this. And that's the feedback that we need to give to the state. As many of those as we possibly can. Now, again, we'll have that Web site link up in our show notes. little bit later but for those of you listening right now it is again co 150 and it's the it's the numbers one five zero so co 150 walkway.com and it's 150 for the 150th birthday of colorado that's what the 150 stands for so all right say that again sesquicentennial okay so we're like halfway there no we're one and a half times because i remember the hundredth i was you know again i'm i'm i was you know 1776 that was a big deal because it was you know a big deal you know is the 200th of the nation and 100th for colorado and everything in 76 here in colorado and everything everywhere was red white and blue I was going through a lot of my mom's stuff. As you all know, she passed, and so we're going through a lot of the old memorabilia and things that you start digging out when people pass and finding old pictures of things my mom had saved and so on. And I remember at that time, I would have been 12, and in Boulder, Colorado, believe it or not, we used to have a big powwow. Yes, that's what it was called. We had a powwow parade and a powwow rodeo. And yes, it was called that in Boulder, Colorado. Yes, I know. Charlie is shaking his head at me like, yeah, you can't say that. Well, that's what it was called. That's history. And it was called the Powwow Parade. And we had the powwow grounds whereby the rodeo was held in Boulder. And it was during the week of Fourth of July and on Fourth of July. As kids, you could participate in the parade, and you could decorate your bicycle all up. Back then, you had the swing with the banana seat and all of that, and you could decorate everything up, in this case, red, white, and blue, to honor that celebration. And that particular year, I actually won a prize. My dad helped me. We got my bike all dialed in, and he did really cool things on it with... different streamers and crate paper and had it all decked out and it looked really great and I saw pictures of that digging through some of my folks' stuff and just going back in time. Point being, I remember that 100th This will be the 150th for Colorado, and it'll be a big deal next year. And by the way, rightfully so, it should be. Now, I can tell you this, it'll be different than the last one 50 years ago because our state has changed a lot in 50 years. In fact, I would think that you probably can't go to most towns today and even say powwow. Am I right, Charlie? That's probably not accepted in today's vocabulary of things that you could actually – you can't have powwow grounds and have a powwow parade and so on. We did. And, yes, that was Boulder, Colorado. Some of you listening right now are thinking to yourself, no way, John. There's no way that happened in Boulder, Colorado. Yes, indeed, that happened in Boulder, Colorado some 50 years ago. So at any rate, go to that website, vote today, give your feedback at co150walkway.com. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning coming up next. And it looks like it's cooler outside. It was a little bit last night, but still warm enough during the day to run the AC. And it is still right now 85 degrees. So if you've got trouble at all with your air conditioning unit, give Cub Creek a call today. Find them at klzradio.com.
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All right. By the way, thank you for the text message. Just closing out this hour, somebody said, just voted no on the walkway, and the closing to vote is July 21st. So vote. Vote now. Get in and get that done sooner than later. Thank you for that. Somebody also said that it is very okay, even in today's world, to say powwow because powwow is an old German name that the Indians actually, or the natives actually took. So powwow is an old German word, meaning I shouldn't be offending anybody by using it unless you're German and you're offended by that, which Germans don't get offended by much at all. I highly doubt that would be the case. And then somebody also said that they get very offended when they hear people talk about young people shouldn't have to work. And by the way, I agree with you 100%. Every one of my kids worked. I worked as a child. I think all kids should work. I think it helps them learn skills that they will use the rest of their life by doing so. We'll be back. Another full hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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On this compelling episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush is joined by Dr. Kelly Victory and political strategist Steve House for a deep dive into a stunning DOJ reversal: dropping all charges against Dr. Kirk Moore, a physician who administered fake COVID vaccines to preserve patient choice. What begins as a case study in government overreach turns into a sweeping indictment of federal intrusion in healthcare, education, and daily life.
Dr. Victory explains how Dr. Moore was targeted for upholding informed consent, violating mandates but honoring the patient-doctor relationship. The panel tackles the legal implications, the Nuremberg Code, and the dangerous precedent set when government agencies attempt to override personal autonomy. They also dissect the mRNA vaccine rollout, citing a new study showing irreversible eye damage—and discuss how fear was weaponized during COVID to rob Americans of their civil liberties.
John, Steve, and Dr. Kelly argue for bold resistance, personal accountability, and constitutional clarity. They call on listeners to prepare pointed questions for future political candidates and reject emotional appeals in favor of principled civic understanding.
This episode is a call to vigilance: because when the government pays, the government rules. And if we don’t push back, they’ll never stop pushing forward.
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This is Rush to Reason. You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you're scared. And you're scared because if you try and fail, there's only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes. With your host, John Rush. My advice to you is to do what your parents did.
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And it's that time Thursday, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us today as well as Steve House. Dr. Kelly, welcome. How are you today?
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Hey, I'm great. Happy Thursday. Glad to be with you.
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Happy Thursday to you, Steve House as well. Happy Thursday to you also. Okay. Hey, Professor Rush, how are you today? Hey, now, don't get too formal with me here because that's about the farthest thing. Yeah, that's the farthest I'll ever be, you know, professor, doctor. Yeah, that's not me, but thank you anyways. I would have called you the doctor of carburetors a long time ago. Oh, there we go. Now that fits. Yeah, I can do that. That one works. Anyways, welcome, guys. I appreciate it. Those of you listening, maybe for the first time, Dr. Kelly and Steve House, we've been doing this segment in this hour for over five years now, ever since COVID and all the way through and all the changes since. And even though COVID for the well, it is over. We talk about that on a regular basis as well. We still have plenty of things that we talk about and cover regularly. during these segments every single week. So no, it is not as much COVID related anymore as it is just how to stay healthy and what's going on in the medical community, what's happening politically speaking. We'll get into several things today, including the DOJ dropping charges against a physician who gave fake vaccines and other things along those lines. So Dr. Kelly, let's start with that. What I just said a moment ago, the DOJ, Bondi, dropping charges against a doctor who gave fake vaccines, mainly because he was mandated to give the real vaccine, but wanted to make sure people had a choice is what my understanding is.
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That's correct. Dr. Kirkmore, who is a family physician, gave his patients the choice at a time when the government was mandating that children have these vaccines to attend school and other things. He actually gave the parents true informed consent and followed their choice. So he gave vaccines to people who wanted those vaccines. And he gave either fake vaccines or fundamentally wasted the vaccine, shot it down the drain and but marked it in the chart that they had been vaccinated when they hadn't. The Department of Justice was bringing charges against this physician, and he was facing 35 years in prison. This was a big deal. 35 years in prison for giving patients choice. He was doing the right thing, giving patients informed consent and allowing them to make a choice regarding bodily autonomy for what was right for themselves or their children. Fortunately, just this last week under the direction of Pam Bondi, I certainly haven't agreed with everything she's done, but this was a win for sure. The DOJ has dropped the charges entirely and is honoring Dr. Kirk Moore's ability to make a decision along with his patients in their confidence.
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Steve, as, by the way, should have been done from the get-go, and of course there's always going to be folk out there that talk about, well, you know, what if there really was a real, you know, public emergency, and what if this had been really bad, and what if he had done this, and that would have, you know, that would have you know, possibly infected others. Well, the reality, Steve, is as we knew and we're talking about all the way through COVID, that just simply wasn't the case, meaning we weren't in that position. So the reality is he didn't do anything wrong at the end of the day. In fact, he did what was right, as Dr. Kelly said a moment ago.
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I don't know if I'd go so far as to say he didn't do anything wrong. I mean, I completely agree with Pam Bondi's decision and what she did with this case. But, you know, if you're in medicine and you document that you did something and you do it fraudulently or if you get paid to do it, I don't know whether you got paid to deliver these vaccines or not. I think the guy was courageous without question, you know, but, you know, technically.
SPEAKER 05 :
But keep in mind, Steve, and I'm going to push back because keep in mind, it was a time where if you followed everything by the rules, you would have given people no choice whatsoever when it came to what you were injecting into their body or their kids' body. In his case, and to your point, yes, he was very courageous. I mean, I guess I understand what you're saying where, you know, did he do no wrong? Well, in the eyes of government, he did wrong. In my eyes, he did right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, my point was going to be that while I can tell you that, you know, there were there were there were physicians out there who just who would have done what he did and then said, no, I didn't give him the vaccine because it's a bad vaccine and I'm not going to do it. Didn't document it right. But he was pushed into a situation, I think, that's coercive, really, from the government's point of view and and from the patients. I mean, the patients are saying to him, look, Doc, if I don't show a vaccine card that has a vaccine on it, I can't go back to work. There was a lot of corruption and pressure, and it was really forced at play. So I'm good with the guy doing what he was doing, but I don't want to encourage people to break the law or do fraudulent things. I want the government to stop. They should never have put him in that position. I agree.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and this gets into questions. And, Dr. Kelly, you're a doctor. You know way more about these things and how this works, governmentally speaking, than for sure I do. And I guess I'm trying to think of other situations in my world that might be similar to this. But, you know, we want to abide by the law because we do believe in law and order. And our side especially believes in the rule of law until it starts to violate people's rights. Am I saying that correctly?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, I think, frankly, it's beyond even just people's rights, John. I think that the government cannot force you to break another law. What happened with the vaccines and these mandates was a frank breach of the Nuremberg Code. This was codified after World War II. It is very clear in the law that you cannot mandate coerce or otherwise by fear of reprisal. commit somebody or force somebody to participate in a medical experiment. That is the Nuremberg Code. Our government put physicians in a position where they were forced to break that code, to breach that, to force people to do something against it. So in my mind, you know, had this gone to court and been fought out, although it would have been horrible for dr moore it would have been fascinating in terms of setting legal precedent i would hope that the supreme court would have ultimately found that the government was in the wrong because it was putting a physician in a position where it needed to number one disallow informed consent and autonomy and number two was a breach of the nuremberg code so i i agree i understand where steve's going with it and obviously i am not you know suborning the people committing fraud or otherwise doing things that are illegal just to satisfy their consciences. But in this particular case, I think Dr. Moore was right. And I think the DOJ is on the right side of history in this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Steve, and again, yeah, I think he was right, obviously, as well. My point is, let's not forget what the government tried to force him to do. Right. And or what the government tried and tried to force him to do. And he refused force exercises, freedom and freedom of choice and helps patients. I think it's a. gets to that point, it's really bad, and they are to that point. There's no question about it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and let's not forget, Steve, that during that time, there were those of us that, I mean, I don't know whether they were necessarily laws. I think in some cases... They were they were they were health orders. Let's put it that way regarding the wearing of masks and things like that. And I know the three of us combined. I mean, every chance I got to basically break that law, break that rule, if you would. I did. You know, was I right, wrong or otherwise? I felt I was right because I was going against something that was absolutely nonsensical. And I wanted to prove a point now. I'm not a medical professional. I'm not signing off on somebody's getting a vaccine or not and so on. And I guess it's probably not exactly the same comparison, although we were technically going against the law or the rules in not wearing masks the majority of the time. Well, yeah, you technically were.
SPEAKER 06 :
And first of all, you don't look that good in a mask, so I'm glad you didn't do it. Thank you. But secondly, there's this thing about freedom, right? Especially in the cases of your own health care and your own health. I mean, the public health departments and what they did during COVID and Gavin Newsom's explanation of his whole rule set and everything else that he did. I mean, I think this is all just You know, they're justifying what they did, which was incredibly anti-freedom. And I think you're right. I mean, I didn't wear a mask a lot of times either. I got in trouble a few times for that, but it was my choice.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And Dr. Kelly, like I said, I'm probably not using, you know, the exact comparison. I was trying to think of something just off the top of my head that would have applied during that same time that a lot of us were doing. And granted, we're not medical professionals, although we were still breaking the law.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, a lot of this, there actually wasn't law, to be clear, and this is where it's a very slippery slope. The CDC does not make laws. They're a guidance agency that gives guidance. There was never a law that you had to wear a mask. There wasn't a law that you had to stand six feet apart. There's no law on the books that said that. But what happens is the power... of the social construct, the power of the fact that the TSA agent or the gate agent at the ticket counter or the grocery store clerk was able to deny you service on the basis of that, despite the fact that there was no law, that's where things really went sideways. People were following things that were guidelines that all of a sudden became sort of, it's our rule and you're breaking the law. Furthermore, let's be clear. The government has slowly been overstepping its bounds on lots of things. How is it that the government is allowed to tell me that I must use someone's preferred pronouns?
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. By law.
SPEAKER 04 :
I must allow my child to do, you know, gender transition if that's what my child wants. Where is the government? The government doesn't have this authority unless we give it to them. And unfortunately, more and more, we have been allowing them to take hold of things that are way beyond their purview.
SPEAKER 05 :
I fully agree. By the way, it's a great topic. So I want to continue this, you know, keep going on this because it's a great topic. And it's a discussion that I think more people need to have and even have this around the dinner table, Steve, because these are conversations, frankly, I don't think people have enough of.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, no. I mean, people forget that there was a revolution once because a government taxed our tea. And there wasn't a lot else. I mean, they didn't let us choose our leaders. But I'm not so sure that the revolution itself and what was the genesis of it wasn't very mild compared to what we're dealing with today. I mean, I think it's very, very mild. I don't understand at all why we've allowed the government to continue to be the way it is.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because we've become a lot more, and Dr. Kelly, tell me if I'm right in this, but I think because we've become a lot more comfortable in our lifestyles, not wanting things to be, you know, to have the boat rocked, if you would, which, by the way, there were some of those individuals even back in revolutionary times that felt the exact same way. Now, let's just go along with England. I like my life here. Let's not rock the boat. I know King George can be kind of a jerk sometimes, but let's just roll along with things and let's just not rock the boat. There were people that said that back then. Difference today is there's far too many of those saying that.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree. And Steve is 100 percent correct. I said all during COVID, this is the stuff that revolutions are made of. Our government does not have the right to do this. And let's be clear, even the issue of the vaccines, the government, you know, going back to, you know, 1905, the case, you know, with regard to the smallpox epidemic. vaccine in the state of Massachusetts. They were able to find someone who refused the smallpox vaccine only because the smallpox vaccine was proven to actually stop transmission of the disease, and therefore they said it's in the public health. The COVID vaccines did not stop the transmission of vaccines, and therefore it should only have been up to the individual whether he or she wanted to roll the dice and get COVID. That's my choice. You know, the government In the same way that the government can't tell me I can't smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol or do anything else that I can choose to do. It's my choice. I can eat McDonald's every day. The government can't say, Kelly, you can't eat McDonald's french fries because it's bad for you and you're going to get sick. So you can't do it. They can't tell you that. And you would never listen if they did. So why in the world would you listen to them when they say you must take this vaccine, Steve, or you'll get sick? That's your choice.
SPEAKER 05 :
Great point. Great point. And I guess, Steve, my only concern with all of this, which I think is where you're coming from, is. I get this doctor, where he came from, what he did, all the things that we talked about all through COVID and so on. On the same token, I guess you don't want to set a precedence whereby you can just have rogue doctors signing official documents and things that say something was done when, in fact, it never was, although that's not the case here. And I think we need to be very distinct in making sure that there is a line there that, yeah, this guy didn't cross anything along. He wasn't. You know, saying he was performing surgeries and not doing anything, that's not the case. This was simply, you know, to do with what we were talking about during COVID. And I think we need to make sure people really understand that defining line, if you would, because, yeah, we're not advocating, you, I, or Dr. Kelly, that doctors can just be rogue and go do whatever they want to.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, it's like Mary Talley, that doctor down in Texas, with ivermectin i mean i think i think it took courage he was standing up for his patients and what he believed in and if him you know the government licenses him he has to pass tests and if they believe in him and he believes in a protocol and he uses that protocol and he gets good outcomes i i don't think there's any reason why a guy like this should face penalty But that was another part of this that was so difficult. Ivermectin, you can't get it from a pharmacy. You can't. Now, all of a sudden, you have to have prescriptions. You have to have all these things happen that limited a doctor's ability to care for their patients with government manipulation. Frankly, I don't think anyone's ever going to pay a price for what was obvious overreach, unlawful, unconstitutional.
SPEAKER 05 :
Fully agree. All right. Good segue, which, by the way. Go ahead, Dr. Kelly. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was going to say, the bottom line is the government was never invited into the exam room. The relationship between the patient and the physician is exactly that, between the patient and the physician. The government was never invited in. The government doesn't get a vote. This isn't a team sport. The government doesn't get a vote in whether you treat your blood pressure or don't, whether you take a statin, whether you take chemotherapy, whether you have surgery for this or that. The government doesn't get a vote.
SPEAKER 05 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 04 :
And we can't let them.
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SPEAKER 05 :
And we are back. And Steve's only got up another 10 minutes with us, Dr. Kelly, today. So if we've got things that we want to involve him in, let's go ahead and do that now. And by the way, great conversation that we had there in that opening segment, because I think it's a great reminder that what you said, Dr. Kelly, especially is. We tend to forget this at times. Government has no business not only in what you just talked about, but in a lot of other things in our personal lives. We, unfortunately, we, society, citizenry, has allowed them far too much freedom to be involved in things that, frankly, they shouldn't be in a lot of cases. And, Steve, that's a great reminder that we need to, like back 250 years ago, stand up for our own rights and kick them out as needed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, if you could amend one little sentence in the Constitution or the Declaration, it would be the separation of church and state should be the separation of state, church, and your own health care. Because, you know, it's the same concept. I don't want the federal government involved. Medicare and Medicaid are far too involved as it is, and the government shouldn't be both the payer and a provider of health care. It's just the wrong regulator.
SPEAKER 05 :
It shouldn't be done that way for sure, and Kelly's right. Dr. Kelly, I was talking to one of my boys about this just yesterday. You know, it's that old golden rule, the guy with the gold rules. And when you turn all of your health care over and the money for all of that to government, Medicare, Medicaid, for example, the guy with the gold is ruling. Am I right?
SPEAKER 04 :
A hundred percent. And the bottom line is when the government controls health care, military or defense, education, housing, They own you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
When they control of it, they own you. And that's exactly what we fought a revolutionary war to avoid. We have more and more at times, more and more examples where our government is exceeding their authority. We have a First Amendment, for example, that protects your freedom of speech. The First Amendment was not there to protect speech that you like. It was put there to protect speech that you don't like. That's offensive.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's the way it goes. That's the price you pay to live in America, is that people can say offensive things. They can choose not to use your pronouns. If I go out and announce that my pronouns are Her Highness, I can't force everybody to call me that, although I'm thinking about it. That's right. But, you know, it's simply absurd. Our government needs to get back in its lane. Its job is to protect us from threats, foreign and domestic. That's about it. And they have taken more and more authority, and we have got to beat them back into their lane. And I'm hopeful, frankly, that some of what's going to happen during this administration, it remains to be seen, is that we're going to get some of that back. And perhaps it took the debacle of the COVID pandemic to wake people up to just how far government has exceeded its authority.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. Steve, when it comes to this sort of go back to the political side before we let you go. And this is something that I don't think we do a good enough job of vetting certain candidates out. What I mean by that is somebody is running for office. I don't think sometimes we ask the right questions, i.e. some of the things that we're talking about right now. We should be asking candidates, you know what, how involved do you think government should be when it comes to, you know, your health, your health care and your free speech and some of the things that Dr. Kelly just rattled off? We don't ask those questions like we should.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you could even couch it in a very simple structure, which says there are 18 enumerated powers in the Constitution that the federal government is responsible for, including delivering the mail. Please tell us what your interpretation of those 18 things are. You know, what are those 18 things? If you don't know them, you damn well better learn them. And if you don't know what they mean, figure it out because, you know, defense and some of the different things. I mean, those 18 enumerated powers, if the federal government did that, it would be one third the size and probably not even that big. And it would be a lot less intrusive into our lives.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And again, and maybe what we ought to do before the next go around, Steve, for the next election, because we'll have one here in 2026, we should probably come up with and maybe they're out there already. But I think it's something the three of us could come up with a list of those questions whereby when a candidate starts to run, I'm doing interviews, for example. People are out and they're door knocking and so on. And this candidate shows up at your front door. We ought to have a list of really quick questions as to, you know, what do you believe in? What do you think about this? What do you think about that? And give those tools, I guess, to what I'm asking. We should we should come up with a list of those questions as tools for our people listing where they can ask these candidates those questions.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you know, two of them would come to mind right off the bat that you hear from AOC and Bernie Sanders, which is, so do you actually believe that health care is a human right, and what part of the 18 enumerated powers allows that in the Constitution? And secondly, there's a conversation in the socialist world about a universal basic income here again, and or even social welfare programs. Which of the 18 powers enables that, and why? And if you can't explain that, you shouldn't be running for office.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, you know what? You just, and again, that is really your expertise, Steve, on that end of things. And I'm serious. We before now and probably, I don't know, this time next year as things really start ramping up, you know, candidate-wise, because it'll really start getting heavy about this time next year, even probably a month or two sooner. So we've got a few months to work those things up. We really should do that. I can get those up on the website. People can ask a candidate, any candidate, those questions. And frankly, if they don't get the right answer, they shouldn't be voting for them. Yeah, you can have him in on the show. I'll help you answer the question. That would be awesome.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, and the issue here is that people need to learn to differentiate between what is the law, what is in the Constitution, what is the actual rights and role of the government versus what you feel is morally and ethically correct in a civil society. You may believe that people should have access to health care. that that's what a civil society does. But that doesn't make it the law. That doesn't make it the role of government. It simply doesn't. As Steve said, that is nowhere in the Constitution. Neither, by the way, is education. You don't have a constitutional right to an education. That simply does not exist. If you want to make that amendment to the Constitution, then propose it and get it legislated. But it is not part of our Constitution. So people need to be educated. And part of this is our education. The fact that we have so far deviated from anything that resembles civics in school. They're spending too much time teaching gender studies and social justice. And people don't know civics. People do not know the Constitution. People should know the enumerated powers. God knows people who are running for government should.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Steve, I know you've got to run for a family event. Go ahead. I'll give you the last word, then I'll let you go.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, the interesting thing is you'll hear people on the left say, well, Donald Trump firing a bunch of federal employees is unconstitutional. Well, it's not at all in the Constitution. It may be codified in law at some level, but it's not in the Constitution. On the other hand, Kelly's right. There's no federal Department of Education in the Constitution. Almost all constitutional structures around education are state-based and state-only based. Right. I don't even know why Linda McMahon is still there. I like Linda, but there shouldn't be a federal Department of Education. It has nothing to do with the Constitution. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
I'll let you go with that. Steve, as always, appreciate you, man. Have a good one, sir. You too. Enjoy your family time. Dr. Kelly, again, yeah, I mean... The reality is, and I got a question that just came in for you along these lines as well, but, you know, Steve is right. I mean, the reality is we have so much overreach of government, and the problem is, as you know, that, and I always say it this way, government is like a church committee. Once it gets established and going, you never can cut it back. That thing exists because it's this old saying of, well, we've always done it this way, so we'll just keep doing it. We've got to change that mentality.
SPEAKER 04 :
A hundred percent. And people, as I said, it starts with people being educated and really understanding so they can get their emotion out of it. And they can say, well, it's not in the Constitution, but I think it's the right way to be. Great. Then you can advocate for that in your state. Most of these things, as Steve said, should be at the state level. Certainly education should. You know, health care should probably be adjudicated at the state level as well. But it's People need to be educated about it. And in general, I think, you know, rules to live by is smaller government is better government. The bigger the government gets, the less efficient it becomes, the more overbearing it becomes. And the more of your civil liberties you will give up. That is the reality. And, you know, and that's how you end up at the far end of the spectrum. The totalitarian government is where the government is all controlling. And we are getting dangerously close to tipping the scale to where, you know, you obviously don't want anarchy, which is one end of the spectrum where you have zero government. The other end being totalitarianism. But there's that balance in between. And unfortunately, republics and democracies tend to last a couple hundred years. We are coming up to our 250th anniversary of this republic. And the question is whether or not we can keep it going. And it isn't going to keep going if we slide any further to the left.
SPEAKER 05 :
A question just came in asking, given the fact that we know all of what we now know about COVID and the shots, the quote-unquote mRNA shots and so on, given the fact that really right now there's no reason, we talked about this even last week, no reason to even be giving them out right now, period, given where COVID is at right now. But with all that being said, why is it the FDA continues to push and authorize you know, these shots. And the question is, is that something that RFK Jr. is working on? Does he have any sway in that? Do you think he'll do anything along those lines? What are your thoughts there?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, unfortunately, and clearly, there's no question that personally, that Bobby Kennedy Jr. would love to get those shots off the market. Do I think he has the authority or the ability to do it? No, I don't. The pharmaceutical lobby is simply too powerful. The FDA is continuing to make inexplicable decisions. Marty Macri made the decision to authorize the mRNA COVID shot for, quote, at-risk infants, which is insane. We know that children are at fundamentally zero risk from COVID, particularly now that it is mutated to such a mild variant. The idea that we would give these shots to anyone, let alone an infant, is unconscionable. Unfortunately, I have gotten to the point where I think it is unlikely they will ever be pulled from the market. There's too much money to be made. I think the best we can do, and what Bobby Kennedy, I hope, will continue to work on as long as he's at HHS, and it remains to be seen how long he stays, is that to push against ever having a mandate again and to continue to expose the myriad harms that have been caused. We just had a new study I know that we bandied about between the three of us, John. Now another study on COVID side effects showing that COVID mRNA shots have a profoundly negative impact on the eyes. They destroy more than 8% of the endothelial cells in the cornea of the eye. Those are non-reproducible, non-renewable cells of the eye. Those are the outer coating of the cornea that's responsible for keeping it clear and keeping your vision. This study looked at subjects before they got the shot and then looked at their eyes again 75 days after they got their second Pfizer shot and showed, as I said, 8.4% of those non-renewable eye cells were destroyed.
SPEAKER 05 :
And really quick, I want to make sure that we're clear on this because I'm reading that right now. That's in just 75 days. So keep in mind, and we don't know, Dr. Kelly, that could continue on. That's just 8.4% in 75 days, so just a little over two months.
SPEAKER 04 :
That is correct. And what people need to understand here, there are certain organs in the body that have renewable cells. For example, you can get a horrible skin burn, skin damage, and your skin can renew itself. Same thing with lung cells, colon cells. Other tissues are not renewable. The brain, for example, if you destroy part of your brain through drugs, alcohol, stroke, or trauma, That isn't coming back. Your heart, if you have a heart attack and part of the heart muscle dies, that is not renewable. It doesn't grow back. Same thing with these eye cells. They are not renewable. Once they are gone, they are gone. You cannot regrow them or get them back. They've been damaged completely. So this is a huge problem. And it just adds to the myriad, you know, the growing list of harms that people have suffered. Everything from blood clots, heart attacks, stroke, myocarditis, autoimmune issues, cancers, and now eye issues. It is time, long past time, that these are pulled off the market. Do I think it will happen? Unfortunately, I am not seeing indication that it will. And so the best I think we're going to get, as I said, is an elimination of any mandates and continuing to expose the harms so that people at a minimum are informed.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Dr. Kelly Victory. Dr. Kelly, I was going to add one thing, too. You know, you were saying a moment ago that, you know, we just need to make sure we keep pushing back. We keep talking about and exposing all the different things that are going on, especially with the mRNA vaccine. We do it here on our program. But for those of you that don't have a large... you know social media presence or you don't have a radio show or anything along those lines dr kelly they can still look up a lot of the factual data that we give out on a routine basis this study for example will be in my show notes later tonight you guys that are listening you can go click on that link have that ready these are the things dr kelly that you can talk about with your friends your family your neighbors and do it in such a way that you're not trying to be this weird, wild conspiracy theorist, but really give factual data as to, hey, did you know, and then lay out what they may or may not know. And if they come back with, well, how do you know that's true? Well, guess what? Here's a copy of the study.
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Exactly. And I think that that's if you can just have a few, you don't need to be a zealot about this. You can say, look, I just listened to a show and I understand there's a new study now showing that there's eye damage related to the mRNA vaccines. We already know that there's heart damage and blood clots, autoimmune issues and an association with cancer. And on top of that, when's the last time you heard of anybody getting Sick, so sick that they needed to go to the hospital with COVID. Seriously.
SPEAKER 05 :
When was the last time? Three years? Yeah, I can't remember, Dr. Kelly. It's been that long.
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Right, correct. It's been that long. COVID is here to stay, just like rhinovirus. You know, common colds are here to stay. We are never going to get rid of them. They mutate too quickly. The great news is that COVID has done exactly what I said it would do. It has become more contagious and less severe, okay? It's out there like all I mean, the thousands of viruses that are out there. Can somebody who's immune compromised with cancer, you know, elderly or on immunosuppressive drugs because they had an organ transplant? Can that person get covid and get very sick? Sure they can, just like they can get, you know, influenza and get very sick or RSV and get very sick. There are people whose immune systems are debilitated and they can get sick. But the vast, vast majority of us, the other 95% of us, are just fine, and you cannot vaccinate your way to good health. So the best thing you can do is not get another ever. If you got one, don't get two. If you got two, don't get three. There's no reason for anyone to get another mRNA shot. at this juncture. You can make decisions on other vaccines on a case-by-case basis. I get asked all the time about the shingles vaccine, whether or not you should take that. Those are case-by-case. I've got strong feelings about some of them. But with regard to COVID shots and mRNA shots in general, the reality is, like it or not, So that technology, mRNA, is not for prime time.
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Well, by now, we would think that most people would know what that mRNA stands for and what the difference is between that and a regular shot. But Dr. Kelly, I'm not sure. It's almost become like Kleenex. It's just a common name now. And I'm not sure that a lot of people, if they weren't listening to us during those early years of COVID, probably don't know what mRNA really is and the delivery system. Do you want to cover that for a second?
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Sure. In the most simple terms, previous what you would call traditional vaccines are you would give somebody an injection of a little piece. an inconsequential little harmless piece of the thing that you wanted them to develop antibodies to. So whatever it was, you'd take a virus or a bacterium and you'd take a little piece of it, so a piece that isn't capable of producing disease, and you'd inject it into them so that when the body sees that in the future, that little piece, they will mount an antibody response. mRNA, this was very different. Rather than injecting a piece of COVID, then you want people to create an antibody too, we injected the genetic blueprint, the genetic roadmap or instruction manual that told your body, you start making this piece of the virus in your cells. Make the virus in your cells and spit it out, and then you'll develop antibodies to it. So they created this mRNA. They gave your cells the roadmap to make the spike protein, to make the very part of the virus, COVID virus, that was the dangerous part. And they gave every cell of your body the instruction manual that says, start creating this toxic thing. Now, your body will see that toxic thing and create antibodies to it. That's a good thing. The bad thing is there was no off switch. There's no way to tell your cells, okay, that's good. You can stop making it now. You can stop. We got the antibodies. You can stop now. So instead, every cell in your body, when you get this shot, is creating in perpetuity this toxic spike protein. They're spitting them out over and over and over again. And that's why people are getting blood clots or having all of these problems because the spike protein is toxic. You don't want every cell in your body. And when I say every cell, I mean your heart, your lungs, your brain, your colon, spleen, liver, everything. is making spike proteins. And this is a real problem. And they have no idea what's going to stop. We know now that upwards, you know, two plus years later, people are still creating spike proteins if they got these shots. This is a disaster.
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And I'm assuming, and again, these are things that we have talked about over the years, but like anything else that is DNA related, I'm assuming that because not everybody is equal, in some cases, these have a lot more adverse effect than others all based upon your own dna and by the way that dna could be different from you and your wife or you and your kids or you and your brother in other words as you know we're not all equal thank god we're not all equal but given that we all respond to these things differently am i thinking correctly
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Yes, and there's many, many other variables. We know that there was tremendous variability in the vials themselves. There was huge batch variability, John. We know that about 80% of the really bad side effects, including death, were associated with about 20% of the total lots of vaccine. That is horrible quality control. They have no idea. I believe, personally, that part of the problem was that the vaccines were put in 10-dose vials. In other words, when you went to the doctor, a vial of the COVID vaccine had 10 doses in it. So you draw up one dose and give it to you, one dose and give it to the next guy. Think about that days when people were going to the parking lot. That's right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, we watched them here. There was a bus just parked in the parking lot down here below the station. Charlie and I could look out the window and watch them go in and out.
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Right. Do you really think that the people who were given those shots in those in those centers had been well trained in getting vaccines to make sure that that the first nine that that bottle was well mixed and that the first nine people didn't get fundamentally what was on the very top and the last guy got everything that it settled to the bottom?
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No, I don't believe that, Dr. Kelly. No, no. And again, not to be too critical of the medical community, but we watch some of these things. And I'm not trying to be a jerk here, Dr. Kelly, but I watched some of these individuals that were even giving some of these, administering some of the doses and so on. And I just thought to myself, yeah, no, that's not for me. I'm not letting that happen.
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Great. John, think about this. OK, we are supposedly we're supposedly in the middle of a worldwide pandemic. Everybody's going to die. This is so so bad that everybody's got to get this this vaccine because we're all going to die. And they're handing out paper slips with handwritten dates and what your lot number was on it. That's the system?
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Yeah, that was the system.
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That they used?
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Yeah, that was it.
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Really? I mean, just let that sink in.
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Which, you know, really quick, going back to our initial discussion of the doctor and now, you know, basically being led off by, you know, the DOJ right now. There were a lot of folk out there, Dr. Kelly, that because of one reason or another, because they had to have it to go do this, to fly, to go here, to go there, there were a lot of those slips you just mentioned that were not authentic, that were being copied from somebody else. There was a whole underground system of delivery of those things, and a lot of people, and what I'm getting at is there was a lot of people that did things no different than that doctor did.
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Of course. And why wouldn't there be? You know, it was it was frankly laughable what they were doing. And the idea that anybody bought into it as serious, you know, truly. I mean, it was laughable when you think about what they were doing. No serious individual would have approached it this way. Right. OK. This was so. Yeah. There are so many unknowns and so many variables in this. We will never really know, John, just what portion of the population has been vaccinated for COVID. It's believed to be about 80 percent of the American population took at least one shot. Right. But that could be off by by. Many, many because early on, as you said, many people had a reason to lie about having been vaccinated because they wanted to go to school.
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That's right.
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Or attend an event. So many people had a reason to say I was vaccinated when they weren't. Now, fast forward. A lot of people have a motivation to say they are. weren't vaccinated when they were because they don't want to feel stupid or they don't want people to think that they fell for it or they want to get a date. And there are people concerned about being in the presence of somebody who's vaccinated or being intimate with somebody who's vaccinated. So there's now motivation to lie the other way. And God only knows the record keeping was horrific. Certainly the government doesn't have any record of what happened or what didn't. People are walking around with a crumpled up piece of cardboard in their back pocket or their wallet. Half of them are fraudulent or have smeared handwriting or somebody made a human error and wrote the wrong lot number. Who the heck knows? This truly will go down in history as one of the worst public health responses for so many reasons. But the vaccine portion of the program was perhaps the worst of it.
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So in closing, got a couple of minutes left here in closing. A, let's hope this never happens again. But B, what do you feel on the nefarious side? Because I do believe there's a lot of things going on that were very nefariously done. driven in other words this was ultimately good versus evil i believe that wholeheartedly this was not about saving people's lives and health care anything along those lines there was an agenda i and this is not conspiracy on my part i firmly believe there was an agenda here what do you think those folks learned and what would they do different the next time given the fact that you and i both know they'll do this again
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And they certainly learned that fear was very, very powerful and a brilliant way to control people. It was stunning just how quickly people were willing to give up their civil liberties, how quickly people were willing to... absolutely allow the government to control where they traveled, you know, whether they went to a wedding, a funeral, whether they worked, whether they had dinner with their family, whether I mean, it was amazing. People were wearing masks, standing six feet apart, doing whatever they were told to do within a matter. I mean, it was so they learned very quickly that families and they've tried since then, you know, they've run up the flagpole, you know, monkeypox, bird flu, you know, it's a, every 15 minutes or something else that we need, you know, now it's screw worm. We've got, you know, the next thing, if there's always something. So they learned that. And I think they learned very quickly that you could pit people against one another because they did, they pit, pitted families against one another. They used the whole virtue signaling as, you know, as a, powerful cudgel to control people and it will happen again if you let it happen again uh and all i can do is suggest that people listen to the people who got it right the last time okay be very very cautious follow your common sense if it doesn't seem right if we've never done this before uh you know i used to say to people do you remember us ever doing these things before yep You know, we've had other pandemics.
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Right.
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But we've never done this before. We've never shut schools and demanded masks. And, you know, this made up idea of social distancing. Why are we doing it now? Why are we disallowing people from speaking? Why are we shutting down deep platform doctors, scientists? This is when something, you know, seems awry. It probably is.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. The time flies by so quickly. We never have enough time to get everything in. Dr. Kelly, I am very thankful, A, for all of you, for you and Steve Boat, but what you've done over the past five years. Again, I always say it, but I mean it. We are indebted to you. You have helped so many different people, myself included, and I get comments from listeners all the time, and I appreciate all you've done. I do truly believe that we have... kept that whatever that number of unvaccinated is. I think we contributed to that number staying as high as it is, by the way. And it had not been for folks like us doing what we did. It probably would have been a lot lower.
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I agree, and I appreciate the platform, as always. I think we should have a town hall, a live town hall. Oh, I'd love it. You and Steve and me, we should get together and have a live event, because I think it would be great if we could celebrate those people who have been courageous through this whole time. Absolutely.
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I will work on that. I will do that. Dr. Kelly, thank you very much. Have a great rest of your day. And, yeah, we can work on that. I would actually enjoy that. That would be a lot of fun for all of us, you guys listening as well. Vector Windows and Doors is next. Don't forget, they're looking to help you with Windows and Doors, given the fact there might be an energy code change, an Energy Star rating change coming the first of the year. Find out how that would work for you. Talk to Dave today. Vector Windows and Doors, KLZRadio.com.
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All right, and that's it for this hour. First hour, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush. We'll be back. Of course, two more hours coming your way, so don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. This is Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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In this episode, not only does Mike explore the shifts in Republican approval ratings but also ventures into various conspiracy theories driving public sentiment. Against this tumultuous backdrop, Mike makes a compelling appeal for aid to Texas flood victims, showcasing how empathy and action can make a difference. Listen in to understand the breadth of policy achievements under scrutiny and how the Mike Gallagher Show audience can once again rise to meet challenging times.
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He's the happy conservative warrior. Mike Gallagher. Broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide. And seen on your trusted conservative TV network. Salem News Channel. Here's Mike.
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Well, I used to be happy. I used to be a happy warrior. Had a day off yesterday. Got a little bit of a break. Joey Hudson guest hosted as the Epstein thing was blowing up. I used to be happy, but I knew I had to come in here and face the music. How do I figure out a way to talk about anything but Epstein? Connie Francis passed away, 87 years old. Wow, what a life. Let's play some, what are your favorite Connie Francis hits? What else is going on? Oh, Teresa, what's that, line two, Epstein? No, no, no, no, get rid of them. What else is going on in the news? The weather in the upstate of South Carolina, a little muggy. It's a little steamy, sunny, maybe some thunderstorms. What's that, Teresa? Line 3? What's the call? Epstein? No, no, no, no, no, no. What else is going on? Did I tell you about the new conditions of the new planes they've got over on American Air? What's that, Teresa? Line 4? Epstein? Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. Look, when I'm a little lost or when I'm a little perplexed, I get great clarity from Now, I'm not saying that to be patronizing. I'm not saying that to be condescending. I mean it. And I admit I'm lost because if you are turning against President Trump after everything we've all been through together over Epstein, I don't get that. I don't understand that. I don't know where you're coming from. I think you might have another agenda. I don't know. I'm totally lost on this. This drama, this rage that people are feeling. Trump is frustrated. We're frustrated. People think we're not getting answers. I absolutely don't exactly know where to turn except to do this. 1-800-655-MIKE. This is a time where I'm going to lean on the wonderful blessing of my life that is this audience. Because, and I'm not saying this again to be sort of syrupy here. I'm not trying to be Pollyanna. You've gotten me through good times and bad. I have had ups and downs. life's struggles, you know many of them what they've been over the decades that we've been together. And we've been together, in some cases, many years. I'm sitting here scratching my head thinking, why would the Benny Johnsons of the world go scorched earth against President Trump when he fought so hard to help get him elected? Why would Steve, I don't even know what the, Michael Flynn, General Flynn, why are people actually turning against President Trump? Why are you mad at him? What did he have to do with this? Meanwhile, while you're not paying attention to the things that seem to matter, overnight, after decades of Republicans promising to defund public broadcasting... Trump defunded public broadcasting. No more will NPR and PBS get taxpayer dollars for their programming, which is as it should be. Another significant promise made and a promise kept. Does that matter? Or is it all over because of Epstein? Have you seen the inflation numbers lately? Have you seen grocery prices lately? Have you looked at the border lately? Do those things matter, or is it all for naught because of the Epstein list? I'm baffled. I really am. And I admit it. I don't like admitting it. I'm a pretty confident guy. I've usually got a pretty good sense of where you are. I think I've got a good—one of my strengths is to have my finger on the pulse of this audience. Right now, though, I'm lost completely. I'm lost. So let's find out. 800-655-MIKE. That's all I can do is turn it over to you. And I don't think I've ever – it's been a long time since I have so relied on your input to help guide me through the storm. And we're all kind of in a storm here. You may think it's not a storm. You may wish it would go away. You may want it to go away. Apparently it ain't going away. So there's a real important phone number in today's conversation. It's 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. 800-655-6453. Call or text, but give me your input, and let's figure this out together. Ph.D. weight loss has changed my life, and I've got a little secret for you. You know Big Pharma and semaglutide and the shots in the belly. You've seen the story recently about the study that shows that a lot of people that are getting this are going blind. You don't want to do this. You want a program to lose weight that's centered around science and nutrition, a proven roadmap that has helped over 8,000 clients lose weight and keep it off, like me. I lost 53 pounds a few years ago, and I've kept it off. I know what to eat and when. I know how to quiet any of the cravings I might get and finally release that unhealthy belly fat that I carried along for so long. Make the phone call that can change your life in the way it changed mine. It's called PHD Weight Loss. PHD Weight Loss, Dr. Ashley Lucas' program, is brilliant. And how do I know? Well, 53 pounds later, here I am. 864-644-1900 is their number. Call and schedule your consultation. You can do this program from anywhere in America. Call 864-644-1900, 864-644-1900, or visit MyPhDWeightLoss.com.
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He's the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here's Mike.
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I can solve the whole Jeffrey Epstein mess with a brief text I got from North Carolina. I'm in the Carolinas today. I'm back in my beloved upstate. Going to be here for a couple of days. We're broadcasting from the studios of 98.9 WORD, the voice of the Carolinas, home of the terrific Tara Show and the great Bill Frady and Joey Hudson and Charlie James. Peg and Joey and I had dinner last night downtown at Larkin's, one of our favorite restaurants. And I got a text from North Carolina as I walked into the studio here, and it's all solved. There is an Epstein client list. However, the aliens are in possession of that list, and they haven't shown up yet. Okay. Yep, that's about par for the course right now with this whole Epstein dialogue. You should have seen what I went through earlier today. Somebody said, well, you know, there's a picture of John Roberts. I said, John Roberts? Yeah, he's in the water with Ghislaine and Epstein and cavorting with Clinton. I said, John Roberts, the Supreme Court? Yeah. I said, you mean the Fox? Yeah, it's a picture. It's not a picture. It's completely debunked. It's some French businessman, and it's not at Epstein Island. It's at some place in Costa Rica or somewhere. I mean, we could really—people are losing their minds over all this. Meanwhile, as you're not paying attention and while you were sleeping— Trump delivered another campaign promise to defund public broadcasting. That happened at about 2.30 in the morning. Senate passed it. Boom. No more taxpayer dollars for biased programming from NPR or PBS. Let them sell a lot of tote bags and sell advertising like the rest of us do. Meanwhile, you're getting all kinds of rapists and convicts and bad people getting sent back to their original countries. Meanwhile, inflation numbers are getting better. Grocery prices are crashing. The border's secure. Oh, and don't look now, but according to the numbers guy over on CNN, Trump's support since the Epstein thing began, has actually increased. Now, wait a minute. What do we have here? You know Harry Enten, right? The guy from CNN who often has to give the bewildered, flummoxed CNN hosts heartburn because he gives them sometimes big doses. He's a little bit like the data version of Scott Jennings. He's the guy on CNN who sometimes is the lone voice in the wilderness. You know, we keep hearing this narrative. Trump campaigned on releasing the Epstein list. No, he didn't. Complete falsehood. That's a total lie. He didn't campaign on releasing the Epstein list. I'm giving up support. I'm going to vote. I'm not going to vote in the midterms. Oh, I want the Democrats. I want Zoran Mamdani to run things now because of the Epstein list. Oh, yeah, good. Good luck with that. You go do that. Trump's support is plummeting because of the Epstein situation. Oh, well, not according to CNN's Harry Enten.
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I mean, look, I think this one surprised me a bit because of all these complaints online going after Trump and the Epstein Files. You might think his approval ratings were going down with Republicans. If anything, they're going up. Republicans who approve of Trump, look at our CNN poll. The prior one, 86%. The one out this week, 88% were Republicans. How about Quinnipiac? The prior poll, 87% approved Republicans. This week out, 90% were Republicans. If anything, Donald Trump's approval rating has gone up since this whole Epstein saga started. He is at the apex, or close there to, in terms of his popularity with Republican voters, Epstein files, complaints, or not.
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You just proved that not everything online is real.
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In real life. Who knew? Amazing. Twitter and X are not reality.
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Is there any reason that you can find that this hasn't? Where's my little sound box? Oh, I left it in Tampa. I've got to get one here for Greenville. I need a little... Now, there are people with big platforms... and big voices, and they're screaming and insisting that Trump's approval is plummeting, how could it be? Who in the world is going to abandon their support for President Trump considering all that he's accomplishing in six short months unless you didn't support him in the first place? And maybe people are exposing themselves. Maybe some of these people who are coming out, you know, scorched earth on Donald Trump, people with... Ex-followers and social media and cable, maybe they weren't really on board with Trump to begin with. So there's a poll that just came out that shows Trump's popularity is in fact increasing. Look, I know when to turn it over to you, and I'm willing to turn it over to you, and I am, because I'm a little bit lost here. I think the Democrats are loving the attempt to derail the Trump agenda with Epstein. I think Trump haters are licking their chops and enjoying all of this. And meanwhile, there's policy achievement after policy achievement after policy achievement. You voted for mass deportation, you got mass deportation. You voted for better prices, we've got better prices. You voted for a secure border, you've got a secure border. You voted to defund public broadcasting, they've defunded public broadcasting. You voted for respect for law and order, and the police and the military were reinstilling respect for law and order. All these things are going on, and you want to screech about the Epstein story? Did you read Alan Dershowitz? Alan Dershowitz was Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer. And he's telling you, sorry, there's not really any there there. He did kill himself. There's not a list. Sorry, hate to disappoint. That's Jeffrey, that's Alan Dershowitz. So all of this, again, comes time for us to gather together after I took a day off, thanks to Joey Hudson, the Upstate's own, for filling in for me yesterday, doing a great job. Had a great day of donations for our Food for the Poor Texas flooding campaign, but boy, we're getting blown out of the water by one of our colleagues who had a massive morning today. So I hope you'll step up, and you want to feel a little better and do God's work, pop 50 bucks into the kitty, 100 bucks, whatever you can afford, to help us rush emergency relief supplies to the victims of the Texas floods. I'm hoping we have a big day today. We had a big day a couple days ago. Not as big as our morning colleague today. Holy moly, did he have a big day. So I'm hoping you're able to step up today for us, because... Let's face it, there's no audience like the Mike Gallagher Show audience. Please go to MikeOnline.com and make a donation. You'll see the Help Texas banner, the Texas Flood Relief for Rushing Emergency Supplies to the Victims of the Devastating Floods in Texas. Texas, thank you for your support. Thank you for stepping up, and thank you for responding to the call. Please go to mikeonline.com. You're a little stressed right now? You'll feel better doing God's work. We're partnering with our friends at the nonprofit relief agency, Food for the Poor, and rushing emergency relief kits to these flood-ravaged part of the world. 128 people confirmed dead. Many, many more are still missing. As you know, President Trump and the First Lady visited the flood zone yesterday, Texas over the weekend. As you can hear, he was pretty emotional. You can hear in the sound of his voice about what he witnessed. They lost their child or two children.
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And just hard to believe what I've never seen anything like it. A little narrow river that becomes a monster.
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the mike gallagher show on salem news channel and the salem radio network i am sold on trump in fact i'll say this i think he's got a good shot at going down in history as one of our best presidents ever i think this guy is turning out to be a president One of the pilots on that miraculous trip to Iran that we wiped out, whatever the hell we wiped out, he said, you're the only guy in the presidency that would have done what you did. And you know what? He's probably right.
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In the relieffactor.com studios, here's Mike.
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Here's a text message on the MyPillow text line. That fire, Mike, in Kentucky, it was the Beverly Hills Supper Club. That's right. It was the Beverly Hills Supper Club, and it was a horrible, horrible fire. The fire was due to aluminum wiring, which is now against code. Emergency exits were locked. People couldn't get out. They were trapped inside. There was a high death count. It was a horrendous fire. horrendous event. So, gosh, I remember that like it was yesterday. Here's a text from Arizona. Mike, I'm a great fan of our president. I'm thrilled for him and his policies and administration. As far as the Epstein crap, I don't care about the so-called list. The loony left is just lost. Thanks for your show. Thanks for what you're doing. Here's a text from New York City. Mike, thanks for your common sense perspective on the Epstein scandal. As you often say, perspective is everything, and there are very few who deliver perspective the way Mike Gallagher does. Well, thank you, Doug. I appreciate your kind words. I want you to hear what Alan Dershowitz writes about the Epstein scandal. I want to read this. It's not long, but it's an op-ed that he put forth in the Wall Street Journal. He says, I was Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer. I know the facts, some of which I can't disclose because it's privileged or subject to court-imposed sealing orders. But what I can disclose makes several important things clear. Epstein never created a client list. The FBI interviewed alleged victims who named several clients. These names have been redacted. They should be disclosed, but the courts have ordered them sealed. I know who they are. They don't include any current office holders. We don't know whether the accusations are true. The courts have also sealed negative information about some of the accusers to protect them. Neither the Justice Department nor private defense lawyers are free to disregard court sealing orders, he writes. The media can and should petition the courts for the release of all names and information so the public can draw its own conclusions. There has also been speculation about incriminating videos taken by hidden cameras in Epstein's guest bedrooms. There are videotapes, but they are of public areas of his Palm Beach, Florida home. Epstein reported the theft of money and a licensed firearm from a drawer in the living room, so the police installed a video camera. I'm not aware of video cameras in guest bedrooms. By the way, can we just look at that for just a moment? The police installed cameras. Do you realize... How prominent you have to be to have the police install a video camera system in your home? The police? When's the last time you ever heard of a police officer coming into your home because you were concerned about a theft and they installed cameras for you? The police don't do that unless you're real big and famous and important. Unless you're real rich. You think that's a job of a police officer? Or a detective? Or a sergeant? I'm intrigued by that line in the Alan Dershowitz op-ed. The police installed a video camera. You see, it cannot be ignored or understated how prominent a guy Epstein was. Maybe that's why there's so much interest in this case. But he was very influential. He was very powerful, evidently. So powerful that the police in Palm Beach, Florida, acted like his own private security firm. You want cameras installed in your house? You call ADT. Not if you're Jeffrey Epstein. Evidently, the police are involved and they can install cameras for you because they want to catch the bad guy for you. You cannot ignore how prominent this guy was. And he had friends on the highest levels on both sides of the political spectrum. Again, that's probably why this case is so intriguing to so many people. Dershowitz goes on to write in this Wall Street Journal op-ed, open records show an acquaintance between Epstein and Mr. Trump many years ago. The relationship ended when Mr. Trump reportedly banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago long before becoming president. I have seen nothing that would suggest anything improper or even questionable by Mr. Trump. Those are his words, incidentally. I would prefer you call him by his title, President Trump, but that's Alan Dershowitz. It's clear from the evidence that Epstein committed suicide. What isn't clear is whether he was assisted by jail personnel. That seems likely to me, Dershowitz says, based on the evidence of allegedly broken cameras, transfer of his cellmate, and the absence of guards during relevant time periods. I have absolutely no doubt that Epstein never worked suicide. for any intelligence agency. If he had, he would surely have told me and his other lawyers who would have used that information to get him a better deal. My sources in Israel have confirmed to me that he had no connection to Israeli intelligence. That false story, recently peddled by Tucker Carlson, probably emanated from credible allegations that Robert Maxwell, the father of Epstein's former girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, worked with the Mossad. He concludes this way, and I think this is the most important message of all. Conspiracy stories attract readers, viewers, and listeners. They are also fodder for political attacks. The Epstein case has generated more than its share of such theories, and there is nothing more annoying to gossip mongers than when stubborn facts or absence of facts get in the way of a juicy theory. Sorry to disappoint you, he says. But there is really nothing much to see here beyond what has already been disclosed. That's Alan Dershowitz, Epstein's lawyer. Now, again, the question remains what damage, what harm, what happens, if anything, Well, let me play this again. Harry Enten from CNN earlier today on CNN, of all places, sort of shockingly reporting that contrary to the popular narrative about Trump's approval, the Epstein scandal is actually leading Trump's approval to go up.
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I mean, look, I think this one surprised me a bit because of all these complaints online going after Trump and the Epstein files. You might think his approval ratings were going down. Republicans, if anything, they're going up. Republicans who approve of Trump. Look at our CNN poll. The prior one, 86 percent. The one out this week, 88 percent were Republicans. How about Quinnipiac? The prior poll, 87 percent approved Republicans. This week out, 90 percent were Republicans. If anything, Donald Trump's approval rating has gone up since this whole Epstein saga started. He is at the apex or close there to in terms of his popularity with Republican voters. Epstein files complaints or not.
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You just proved that not everything online is real.
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Yes. There you go. And that's the point is that if you're paying attention to people who are shrieking the loudest, you might be listening to the wrong people. Did you know what happened overnight? Did you hear about the Senate voting to defund public broadcasting? Hmm. The spending cuts are continuing. Last night, about 2 in the morning, about 2.30 in the morning, the Senate advanced about $9 billion in spending cuts. Does that matter? Because all I know is that for many, many years, Republicans have promised, have threatened, have sworn that we're going to finally end taxpayer funding of NPR and PBS. Nobody ever got it done. This guy did. This guy does. People wanted a secure border over and over again. We had Biden's open border. Who got it sealed? Who got it secure? This guy did. Any of that matter? All right, let's go. I want a bunch of calls here. Let's do a little bit of a lightning round of phone calls. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. Also, again, a reminder, this is the day that I hope we have a huge day on our Food for the Poor campaign to bless the people of Texas with the flooding and the needs that are there that are great, that are monumental. Please go to mikeonline.com. to contribute to our Food for the Poor campaign as we're rushing relief supplies. We're about 2,000. Last I checked, about nine this morning, we were about $2,700 away from our goal. So let's go over the top today. Let's have a big day, $2,550, $100, whatever you can afford. Please go to MikeOnline.com to make a contribution. Again, $50 will rush an emergency relief kit. to one of those families in Texas, please go to mikeonline.com or call 844-860-HOPE, 844-860-4673. Here's Stacey in Houston, Texas. Hey, Stacey, I appreciate your patience. Welcome to the show.
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Thank you, Mike. Hi, how are you?
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Hi, good. How are you?
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I'm fine, sir. Thank you. I want to give my opinion on the Epstein mask.
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Yes, ma'am.
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Okay. I have my doubts. But isn't that when you're supposed to have your most trust is when you have doubts? Mike, just like faith, when you have doubts, that's when you should have your strongest faith.
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Right, right.
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My thought, since they're closing this Epstein mess so fast, is maybe the people involved are involved in something else and they want to keep it hushed. so they can bring it all together and really put these people in jail or kick them out of the country or whatever punishment is deserved.
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Well, I like your theory, too, about having faith. You've got to have faith. You've got to have trust. And I've yet to meet one person— According to Mark Davis, he's got two people in his life who are my friend in Dallas. Mark says two people he's spoken to, they've been all on board with Trump until now. That to me is like Sasquatch. Who in the world has been supportive of Trump, but because of this whole Epstein controversy, now you're not supporting him? I really got to meet somebody, and Teresa's been trying to get one caller who can explain that to me. So please, if you feel that way, would you please call and explain yourself? I don't think that exists. I don't know what Mark is talking about. Who in the world would support a secure border, the economy, the success after success after success, the mass deportation, which is what you voted for? And because of Epstein, now you don't support Trump? And you want Kamala Harris to be the next president? Or Gavin Newsom? Or Pete Buttigieg? Or Zoran Mamdani? Really, that's where you are? Seriously? Michael is here in Greenville, South Carolina on Line 1. Hey, Michael, welcome. How are you? I'm good. How about you, Mike?
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I'm good. Good to be home again. I think different things can be true at the same time. I voted for Trump all three times, but I think that we're being sold a load of goods on this. By who? I'll tell you why it matters. By who? By the administration. By Trump? Yeah, and I'll tell you why I think that. So he was president when Epstein was president. whatever. And, and so it was an intelligence operation. No, no, no, no, he wasn't.
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No, he wasn't. He wasn't. What do you mean? He was president when Trump, when Epstein was, was what? Was killed. It was at the end of his administration or when Epstein died. Okay, I thought you meant he was president when Epstein was cavorting on his stupid island. Okay, go ahead. I misunderstood.
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Go ahead. I got you. So if the Epstein Island thing was an intelligence operation, which it surely smells like that, a couple things would be true. The president would probably have to sign off on getting rid of the asset. So Trump would have known that this was about to happen or happened in real time when it did. And then you look at, like, Dan Bongino when he was out there saying, yeah, he killed himself, that's it. And you could just see it all over his face. And why would Dan Bongino lie? Well, he was read into the intelligence program. Now it becomes a felony, punishable.
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Okay, I got it, I got it. So what you're describing is a massive conspiracy theory. Now hear me out when I say that. You could be right. You absolutely could be right. But let's look at what a conspiracy theory is. Because this would have to be a massive conspiracy that reaches all the way to President Trump. And you're suggesting... Trump's completely on board with lying to the American people, with covering stuff up, with being involved in a conspiracy. It was an intelligence operation and all this stuff. Now, again, don't get me wrong, Michael. I'm not beating you up. You might be right. But the thing about a conspiracy theory is it's a theory. It's a theory. It's the most important part of that phrase, conspiracy theory. All you're doing here, and I say this with respect because you're a great caller and I'm sure you're a great guy. You're throwing crap against the wall. That's all you're doing. And you're wanting to see if maybe some of it will stick.
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Go ahead. I'd argue a couple things. One, you know, we were conspiracy theorists when we said, I'm not getting an experimental vaccine. Oh, I know. I know. I say that all the time. A lot of conspiracy theories are true. A lot of conspiracy theories are true. I say that all the time. You're right.
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But again, that's all you're doing right now. Would you agree with that? It's a conspiracy theory. Right?
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Well, I don't go around talking all day about, you know, I've seen this and that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that.
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Look, I'm up against a clock here, and you're not letting me. I'm trying to get you to see if you'll agree with this. You're advancing a conspiracy theory. Would you agree with that? I would say that I'm not buying the official lie. The fact that you can't acknowledge that you're advancing a conspiracy theory proves it. Michael, I'm so sorry I'm up against a hard break, and I'm way over time. Thanks for the call. Portions of our show brought to you by MyPillow and Big Deal. Two sales in one. First, they're having a closeout sale on the percale bedsheets. Any size, any color, $25. You can get Queens, Kings, Split Kings, California Kings, any size, any color, $25. It's a crazy sale from MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher Special Square. The second sale, Mike Lindell has introduced a brand new energy drink called Rev7. It's a premium energy drink that's good for you. It tastes great, gives you energy all day. I sampled it yesterday for the first time. It is delicious. No sugar, no caffeine. Rev7 is so special because it's powered with a premium nootropic that helps fuel your mind. MyPillow is so confident you're going to love Rev7 that for a limited time you can try their introductory three-pack absolutely free. Now, these offers aren't going to last long. So go to MyPillow.com, use the promo code MikeG, MyPillow.com, promo code MikeG, or call 800-928-6034, 800-928-6034. Sing along with me. For the best night's sleep in the whole wide world, visit MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG.
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The Mike Gallagher Show.
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There are three tiny toilets that are toilet units that have a sink attached to it. So they essentially drink. They get their drinking water and they brush their teeth where they poop in the same unit.
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In the Relief Factor studios, here's Mike on Salem News Channel and Salem Radio Network.
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That's the clip of the week. That's a funny, there's poor Debbie Wasserman Schultz. They eat or they brush their teeth where they poop. Yeah, it's called a bathroom lady. Welcome to America. Where do you poop? Where do you go? Where do you brush your teeth? You go down the street and around the corner? I'm telling you what. I'm at a point right now, and I mentioned my buddy Chris DeGaulle a moment ago. Something that is so... Chris did something really neat. He called on David Limbaugh. What do you think Rush Limbaugh would be saying right now about Trump? You think Rush would be abandoning President Trump over the Epstein controversy? What do you think? Chris said, I don't think that Limbaugh would be going scorched earth on Donald Trump. And Chris actually said online, I'd like to hear what David Limbaugh has to say, because I'll take that back if David agrees, if David, who is, of course, Russia's brother, would see it differently. And David Limbaugh posted a very thoughtful, detailed, pretty dramatic belief of where he thinks the Epstein thing is. I'm going to share that with you in just a moment. To me, it's fascinating that I just had somebody who sent me an email about how disappointed they are. Phil and Penny, oh, Brother Mike, I love you and the Lord, but your defense of Epstein, the Epstein list, is not a good look. I'm defending an Epstein? That's what you heard, Phil and Penny? Are you serious? Are you kidding me? I mean, there are people with a take that is actually beyond delusional. So I want to read what David Limbaugh wrote, again, urged by my friend and colleague Chris DeGaulle. saying, I don't think Limbaugh would bail on Trump. I don't think Rush Limbaugh would be turning on Trump. Here's what David wrote. Many think Trump is being dismissive of the Epstein thing. Yeah, like Phil and Penny, right? Cavalier, if you will. David says, I don't read it that way. I think he's pissed. He's racked up amazing, unprecedented policy accomplishments, and Epstein is sucking the wind out of it all. not to just his detriment, but ultimately to ours. I think we're being presented with a false choice. You either favor full disclosure, no matter the law, and consequences about which we have no knowledge, or you're a pedophile protector. Do you really believe Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, let alone Pam Bondi, despite her PR missteps, have something to hide? Is it conceivable that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino have railed about this issue for some time and now have some nefarious motive in changing their position? Did they find out unbeknownst to themselves that they're on the list? Could there be some plausible explanation as to why they're playing their cards close to the vest for the time being? Or is the fact that they're doing so proof that they are suddenly embroiled in corruption? That is not plausible to me, David Limbaugh writes. I don't think these people change their stripes that quickly. And I don't think my willingness to trust them makes me an enabler of corruption or perversion. Back to Trump. If he were implicated, the Democrats would have crucified him when they had sole possession of the materials. Files, list, or no list? You know it. I know it. But now people who have doggedly supported him, even through tougher times, are turning on him and piling on with the opportunistic Democrats who heretofore haven't given two shakes about this story. None of us knows the full story yet. None of us knows yet why the administration hasn't done a better job explaining at least that they'll be able to tell us more later. It seems that many have so much invested in believing the worst about all of this, that Epstein was the leader or at the center of a Robert Ludlam-style international conspiracy, that they can't let it go. It's as if their worldview will crumble if their worst suspicions aren't vindicated. And if Trump and his administration happen to be in office when this whole thing fizzles, then they too must have nefariously been drawn into the conspiracy that is too powerful even for the fiercest of otherwise moral mortals. In the meantime, Trump's heyday is being rained on and he feels betrayed by a bunch of supporters who in turn feel he has betrayed them. David says, I'm just asking for a little grace on both sides, especially the supporters who should at least give Trump, Bongino, Patel, and even Bondi some trust here before throwing them to the dogs. There has to be more to the story or possibly way less to the story. But the idea that previously non-corrupt people have immediately become corrupt just doesn't pass the smell test. And it surprises me that so many supporters have been so quick to jump ship. I repeat, no way in hell am I defending the protection or insulation of pedophiles or corruption, he says. Trump's policies on the border alone have burnished his credentials as an enemy of sex trafficking and pedophilia. As dramatic and juicy as it sounds, I don't believe there's a conclusion that the administration is concealing these files or lists. He says, look, God bless you all, because presumably we want the same things, except those who would exploit this issue or any others for their own self-aggrandizement. That's David Limbaugh. And kudos to Chris Stegall for asking David to weigh in. I mean, he doesn't directly say. I mean, who knows what Rush would be saying? I doubt very seriously. that Rush Limbaugh would be bailing on Donald Trump over Epstein. And gosh, do I miss Rush. Gosh, do I miss so many people. I think a lot about the people we've lost. I was just reading about a – I worked with a woman here in Greenville who lost her son-in-law, a hero. Her daughter's husband, a former Major League Baseball prospect who became a South Carolina lawman, died a hero after he jumped into treacherous waters to save a family of five from a rip current. It's such a horrifying story. And my heart breaks for Allison and the whole family. Chase Childers, 38 years old, vacationing at Pauley's Island last weekend. when a woman asked for help rescuing the distressed swimmers, and Chase immediately, without hesitation, jumped into the water. His first responder instincts kicked in. He went into the water to save those people, and he did. Childers and another Good Samaritan helped the family, family of five, return safely to shore. However, Childers, who had used all of his energy to ensure the successful rescue, He disappeared in the water. He was taken by the rip current in front of his wife, Natalie, and their three kids. The Coast Guard recovered his body about 90 minutes after he went under. It's just a heartbreaking story. And, of course, it totally, totally reinforces something I try to say all the time. Life is fragile. You know, we continue to pray for Dennis Prager, who's lost, you know, a lot of mobility after a terrible fall. And he's working through the rehab and all the challenges he faces. And this family about this hero, this guy who, baseball player turned cop, turned first responder in South Carolina. May his memory just be a total blessing. And our prayers are for Chase's family and, of course, again, Allison, his mother-in-law, who I worked with in South Carolina. Our hearts are broken for that whole family. Just hang on and remember that life is but a blink of an eye. Remember the things that matter and pray. May God's comfort heal that family. Stay with us. Oh, Julia? Look at you.
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Look at you. The wonderful Diane Carroll. She would have been 90 today, passed away back in 2019. But I loved this show. And it was, you know, you could say racial tensions were a thing in 1968. But the crotchety old actor Lloyd Nolan, you remember him? He was Dr. Chegley or whatever his name was. And she was a middle class person, a nurse, a mom raising a kid. So before Cosby sort of normalized and de-stereotypified a black life, there was Julia. She was also the first black woman right into your world to win a Tony for Best Actress.
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Let's talk some more. I want to talk the whole segment about obscure TV shows from the 1960s. Because there's nothing going on.
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I think we need to talk about— Oh, like you don't want to tell us about going to four Broadway shows yesterday.
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Let's talk about Connie. I want to talk about Connie Francis. Yes, the death of Connie Francis. Now, that was a legend. Yeah. Let's talk about her music. I want to talk about anything but Epstein. Oh, I get it. I want to do anything but Epstein.
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Flood the zone. Flood the zone.
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Look at the time. What a talent she was. Did I tell you about the time I went and saw her perform in upstate New York back in the day?
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Did you go backstage? Did you meet 14 people and tell me about all of them?
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I didn't meet them. Oh, it's okay, Mike.
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It's okay. It's all right. It's all right.
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What a mess. What a mess. I mean, I took the day off yesterday, did something fun. Don't want to get into too many details, but I wound up in New York sort of the last minute for a trip on behalf of some friends. Mm-hmm. Back now in South Carolina, where I'm spending wonderful time here. I'm telling you, you and Lisa should come visit.
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It is a wonderful place. Just a great state.
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But I got my nose plugged into the interwebs. And I got my phone. And my eyes and my ears are bleeding. Because I'm trying to make sense of it all.
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Where were you when Trump went full flame on Truth Social yesterday at about 9?
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I was trying to crawl into a hole. I was finding an 8-foot... deep hole that I could crawl into when he seemed to flame his former supporters. Now, look, all right, so let's stipulate a few things. He's frustrated. He's upset. He can't believe that the Epstein thing is still lingering, that people are still fired up about it, and they are. Of course. Look, like you wrote in your Star Telegram piece, People have a right to demand accountability after being lied to over and over and over again. We get it, we get it, we get it. I want to do a deep dive on the phrase conspiracy theory. Because to me, the more important of the two words is theory. We always focus on the conspiracy theory. But let's not also minimize the impact of theory in conspiracy theory. You know what a theory is? It's like, well, it could be this. It could be that. It could be true. It could be false. You know, to paraphrase your friend Tucker Carlson, I'm just asking questions here. It's a theory. I'm just throwing it out there. That's the whole DNA of a conspiracy theory. There could be a list somewhere that got destroyed or that they're hiding or that implicates powerful people, or there could not be. You believe there's no list. I kind of think there's no list. I'm going to break this down and understand that you and I are going to play this exactly right. We're not going to shut down the people who are frustrated by it, but we're going to keep this in proper perspective. This is all about perspective here. Do you realize Republicans have been promising to defund public television and radio for decades?
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And we could never do it.
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Guess who got it done? We've promised it over and over again. Again, the list of promises made, promises kept, is astounding in six months. We got all these victories. We got these enormous accomplishments. And people are bailing on Trump over Epstein. Now, here's some perspective. If you're bailing on Trump over Epstein, you weren't particularly on board to begin with. There's no way around this. I'd like to say there is. I'd like to say somebody changed their mind about Trump over Epstein. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. You think you've got cover now to come out of hiding and torch him because that's what you've wanted to do all along. I really believe that.
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I'm going to partially push back. Because I think generally you're right. There are a lot of people who are saying that they were all on board MAGA red hat wearing and now I'm out. And I think those people are lying. But with a couple of folks that I've talked to and a couple of folks who maybe you've talked to or may yet talk to. There are some people who are 1,000% in for him. And the list of reasons is long. It contains all the things you just mentioned, fixing the border, gender sanity, environmental sanity, fiscal sanity, government efficiency, blah, blah, blah. But also on that list is this promise that he and his team seemed to make that you will get your client list. And having been denied that is, they feel, a betrayal of the highest order. So it's not all faint followers or squishes.
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And I don't know how you resolve that, to tell you the truth, because that gets to the core of what I think has happened here. I think that the sharp-elbowed red meat members of Trump world, maybe President Trump himself, to some degree, overpromised, The whole Epstein story. And now they got under the hood and they said, well, there's not a lot there. The bad guy's dead. His pimp is in jail. There's not a whole lot left here that we can do. Now, that's not satisfying to people. No. But that's what I think happened. Now, but again, that's a theory, Mark. I could be wrong. Maybe Trump is in on it. Maybe he's covering up for pedophiles. I know. Hardly likely. Hardly likely that even Pam Bondi is giving cover to pedophiles. Hardly likely that Kash Patel is protecting pedophiles. So something else is going on. So I don't know. I mean, Miranda Devine wrote a piece in the New York Post. Here's how Trump fixes this. And she essentially said. And going scorched earth on his supporters might not be the primary way to do it. But she does suggest somehow they've got to get a hold of this. But she doesn't really say how. Now, part of that is a technical glitch because I think my team sent me a partial article of Miranda Devine. So I think when I got to the part where she said there's a remedy, I didn't get to the actual remedy.
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Here's what he should do.
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It's like, leave me hanging.
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It's an ad for a pool floatie.
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But the part where I got to, and Eric and Joey and the team are scrambling to fill the board. I bet they are now. Yeah, well, no kidding. Having been shamed. Oh, yeah, I'm reading this right before coming to you. I'm thinking, oh, good, I get to the cliffhanger. Here's what he needs to do. But it was the beginnings of... Get a hold of this thing. Figure out how to get ahead of this. So what does that look like?
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Because that sounds great.
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That's the question.
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So let me put it in the form of a Q&A for you, Mike Gallagher. For you, Mike Gallagher. Mike Gallagher. Should Pam Bondi just release something? And I don't mean just find empty pages. You can't make something up. What if there's nothing to release? And then Trump puts it right in her lap. It's not Trump sitting there saying, I call on Pam Bondi to release all this stuff. He clearly, for some reason, doesn't want to do that. So he says to her, if there's something valid, if there's something confirmable, if there's something reliable, go ahead and release it. So now the onus is on her.
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And if there's not? If there's nothing releasable, then what are you going to do?
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Then you have to say so. Well, he is. He is. He's saying it's a hoax. But yes, that the existence and what he means is not that there was no pedophile ring and no misbehavior or maybe not even some significant people involved in it. at some point. But the notion that there is a tasty, salacious, sizzling client list that will be bombshell upon bombshell, that was the hoax. And the barrier here, not so much with Trump, but with some folks we really, really love, like Bongino and Patel. is they spent a lot of time mouthing off about, here it comes, don't let this go, you're being lied to. And now that they have real jobs in real government, they realize that they overplayed it exponentially, and they don't want to say, we made a mistake.
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Let's acknowledge that this is the one pitfall. This is the consequence of liking cable news stars to join your team. These are cable news stars. And they're good at it. I mean, they're very good at clicks. They're very good at engagement. That's dismissive, though. That's kind of broadly dismissive. But it's true, Mark. But it's true. That's who these people are. Is Judge Jeanine Pirro a problem? No. I didn't say problem. I didn't say that. It's not a pejorative. I'm telling you it's a consequence. These are people who know how to give good material.
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You and I know how to give good material.
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Well, but if we were in the Trump administration?
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I know, but if, let's say, you and I were named to White House posts tomorrow, ooh, I get tingly thinking about that, they're not going to come back and find audio or video of you or me promising everybody a client list. You know why? Because we restrained ourselves. We didn't do it.
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Well, I don't know that that's true. We do hours a day of provocative commentary. Well, I don't know. I mean, but there's things you could have said. You know how to deliver material to an audience. Most bureaucrats aren't of that ilk. Most people aren't Seb Gorka, aren't Jeanine Pirro, aren't even, I mean, these are... Perfect example. Your example proves my point there.
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You just gave Dr. Gorka. They're not going to find something Seb said on a show that he'll have to explain or apologize for or wring his hands over in White House service.
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Oh, they've been doing it relentlessly. Tried but failed. Yeah, but these are provocateurs. And I don't say that in a pejorative way. They're not Washington bureaucrats. So all I'm saying is the consequence of hiring. a cable news star is that you're going to have a body of evidence. Look, Trump never said he was campaigning on the Epstein files. No, that's a lot of people have said that. Trump campaigned on this, but we didn't. He was asked one time whether in one interview, apparently on a podcast in September of 2024, he was asked specifically about it. He said, I'll take a look at it.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's all he said. I'm leaning toward it. He absolutely never promised a release of the Epstein files.
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No. You know what he campaigned on? Reducing inflation. Fixing the border. The stuff he's done. The stuff he's actually done. And don't you know?
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Don't you know? Listen, you know him. You know him even a little better. You've spent more time around him than I have. This is driving him insane. Oh, he's frustrated. And he deserves to be. I totally get it. My Star-Telegram column point this morning is... He and the team need to handle this a little better, navigate it with a little more skill. But I totally understand how it's just putting his voluminous hair on fire, even more orange than it usually is, at the notion that all these successes are being eaten alive by Epstein mania.
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Well, I'm going to turn it over to the audience because I want to make sure because I'm not real clear where the audience is on this. I thought I had it understood. I mean, when I left before I took yesterday off, basically, I thought most people were saying we got to move on. And most are.
SPEAKER 05 :
And most, if the definition of most is 50.0001% or more. Most, absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. I don't know. I'm not entirely sure I agree with that. Here's what I do know. Real quick note about New York. You know, we interviewed Curtis Lewa the other day. Yes. And this Mamdani character is such a fascinating, out-of-state donors are now flocking to the campaign. I mean, he is a dream for the AOCs of the world. Well, there's a brand-new poll just came out from HarrisX. Yes. Look, in a four-way race, where do you hear these results?
SPEAKER 05 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mamdani is ahead 26%, right? Look at there. He's tied with Cuomo, essentially, 23%. Sliwa, 22%. Look at there. And you know who's fourth? Eric Adams.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, Eric Adams, exactly. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER 04 :
Eric Adams, the incumbent, he's at 13%. So look, in a four-way race, it's very competitive. I know one thing. If Cuomo and Sliwa somehow united, they win. They beat this guy. Yep, I know. It's going to come down to that. It's going to come down to one of the two of them saying, all right, let's coalesce, because they're going to split the vote, Mark. I'm telling you, if it's Cuomo and Sliwa, and maybe it is, and I love me some Curtis, I wish Cuomo would say, look, I'm kind of disgraced. I've had this terrible track record. I was drummed out of office. He's going to do that. Well, he might be more inclined to do it than Curtis. Curtis ain't going anywhere.
SPEAKER 05 :
And neither is Eric Adams, I don't think.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, Eric Adams is almost an afterthought.
SPEAKER 05 :
You think somebody couldn't use his 13%? That's 13% in a close race. But if it's 23 and 22, I like those numbers.
SPEAKER 04 :
I do, too. That's 55. All righty, man. Big clobber.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, so here we are back in the upstate. It's going to be fine. It's all going to be fine. As you listen to the people. Connie Francis, that was a thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
It sure was.
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Here's 47 details of her upbringing. But here's the thing. You and I have talked about this a lot. You could fill the lines with people who say, I'm done with Trump because of this. It does not make them a majority. It makes them a voice worthy of hearing, no doubt about it. We've dealt with this our entire careers.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't think there are people who are actually saying I'm done with Trump because of Epstein.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, I've talked to two of them, at least. Really? Yep. Diehard Trump supporters? Yep, yep, yep. Say they are. And they're done with him because of Epstein? It's a moment. Oh, thanks for letting me say this.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they're not. That's not real.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is a momentary tantrum.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's not legitimate. There's no way that's legitimate, Mark.
SPEAKER 05 :
They mean it. They mean it now.
SPEAKER 04 :
They'll get better. Well, that's how I'll start the show. I'll find out if there's anybody really done with Trump because of Epstein. All right. Love you. Happy Thursday. Love you.
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Frank Gaffney joins Jody Heiss to reveal an unsettling push by the World Health Organization for unprecedented global governance. With amendments to international health regulations looming, Gaffney warns about the potential erosion of U.S. sovereignty. Together, they discuss what's at stake if nations submit to these controversial health directives. Later, Dr. George Barna brings a fascinating lens on America's faith trends with his latest research. Barna exposes startling statistics showing that Rhode Island and Nebraska are among the states with the fewest adults holding a biblical worldview—a timely discussion on the cultural shifts affecting American identity. This episode combines political analysis with cultural critique, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of American values.
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from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Heiss.
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Good afternoon and welcome to this Thursday edition of Washington Watch. I am Jody Heiss, Senior Fellow here at the Family Research Council and very much honored to be filling in today for Tony. We've got a lot to bring your way today, including these following headlines. In the wee hours of this morning, the Senate has now passed President Trump's first rescissions package. That is a package that will be clawing back some $9 billion of wasteful spending that the American taxpayers have been put out on. And it would be going to programs that would be doing advancement of the leftist propaganda instead of American priorities.
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Last night, for the first time since 1993, 1993, we're now 2025. First time in all of that time, the Senate came and stripped out the spending by passing a bill on the United States Senate floor last night to finally say enough is enough of this kind of reckless Washington spending.
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That was Senate Majority Whip John Barrasso earlier today, and now that package is in the House of Representatives, which plans to vote on it before the Friday deadline. So what is the latest on all of that? Well, Texas Congressman Keith Self, who's a member of the House Freedom Caucus, among other things, he will be joining me here in just a couple of moments to give us an update on that rescissions package. And in New York City, well, you probably have heard of it now, the self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist who is a candidate to be the next mayor, Zoran Mamdani, he's working to charm the broader Democratic coalition. In fact, he was in Washington, D.C. yesterday with members of Congress, including Senator Bernie Sanders and Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. But a lot of people are extremely concerned about Mamdani for multiple reasons, but much of the concerns even are coming from Democrats. Well, we'll unpack some of those issues later when I'm joined by author and columnist Larry Taunton. And speaking of concerns, there are many now who are sounding the alarm on the current effort of the World Health Organization to acquire more and more power for itself despite the disastrous response they had to COVID-19. Probably one of the greatest leaders in the effort to bring awareness to people is Frank Gaffney. He's the president of the Institute for the American Future, and he will be joining me later in the program to talk about what's going on and what needs to be done about it. And then to close out the program today, I'll be joined by Dr. George Barna to discuss a fascinating report that he has on how states rank when it comes to a biblical worldview. So do you want to know where your state stacks up? Well, stick around for that conversation, which we'll have a little bit later in the program. So we've got a lot coming your way, as we always do. You don't want to miss any of it. But if by chance you do, you can always catch it by going to our website, TonyPerkins.com. All right, let's jump into the program for today. As I mentioned a while ago, something very, very special happened on Capitol Hill earlier today. It's something that has literally not happened in over three decades. The Senate approved a rescission packet to claw back some $9 billion in federal funding. This would impact a host of things such as NPR, PBS, several foreign aid programs, and so forth. But the vote was extremely close. In fact, there were two Republicans, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, who voted with the Democrats against the bill. But nonetheless, it passed by 51 to 48, and it's now in the House. So what's next? with this bill. Joining me now to discuss this and much more is Congressman Keith Self. He's a member of the House Freedom Caucus and a mover and shaker right on the tip of the spear on so many issues. He represents the third congressional district of Texas. Congressman Self, it's always an honor and a pleasure to welcome you back to Washington Watch. Good to see you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Great to see you, Jody. Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, so I'm in this rescissions package. It's exciting news. It's making it over a bunch of hurdles. Give us the latest on where this stands.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, right now, apparently the rules committee in the House is going to meet at 6 p.m., and they will develop the rule. There will be some debate, and we'll vote on the rescissions package either tonight or tomorrow, sometime to be determined. That's the latest. That's all I can tell you.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, so that's the latest on the process of the bill. What are your thoughts on the version of the bill that the Senate voted on and that they have now sent over to each of you there in the House?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you earlier said in the wee hours of the morning, I will tell you, they made a wee cut. nine billion dollars which is one tenth of one percent of the budget uh uh to to take out fraud waste and abuse this is nothing uh it it's worse than a drop in the bucket this is nothing this is a test case jody this is a test case to see if the senate and the house can make any cuts because President Trump ran on getting rid of fraud, waste, and abuse. That's what the rescission packages do. And believe you me, it's not the last rescission package we will see from the Trump administration. This one expires, though, tomorrow night at midnight. So the House has got to take up the Senate version, pass it. Yes, we'll pass it, even though they cut a little bit out of it. But this is a precedent-setting bill that the Senate can, yes, cut some money.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm really glad you brought that up, Congressman Self, because yeah, number one, it is a drop in the bucket when it comes to trying to cut back wasteful spending and so forth. But nonetheless, it is a drop and it is a step in the right direction. But the Senate really struggled over this, and yet you say, and I'm hearing as well, we're hearing that there will be additional rescission packages coming. Do you think that those future packages can pass the Senate again? I don't have any doubt that you can pass it in the House, but do you think future rescission packages can make it through the Senate?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I don't know, but I think every package that the administration sends over will have a fight on its hand to get through the Senate. There's no doubt about it. The Senate does one thing better than anyone else in the nation, and that's spend money. Wow.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we're going to be keeping a close watch on this, of course. This is, as you said, a precedent-setting bill that's here. It's been a long, long time since we've seen anything like this, and I'm excited that it did make it past the Senate, and we'll keep a close watch on where it goes from here. If I can switch gears with you a little bit, I've been in touch with some other members of the Freedom Caucus, which, of course, you are a a leader there. And I understand that there's been, can I say, a deal reached, an agreement to advance President Trump's cryptocurrency agenda. A lot of folks don't understand cryptocurrency. I've got a lot of questions about it myself. But tell us overall, if you can, a little bit about that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there were three bills. There was one bill to establish a framework. That's very important. There was one bill to unlock banks and the wealthy to be able to buy digital assets. And there was one bill, in my mind, the most important bill, was to ban a central bank digital currency. We do not want the federal government being able to use a central bank digital currency. That would give the federal government total transparency of your bank account and your spending. Look, we've got facial recognition already. We've got license plate readers. So this would have finished it off with the financial transparency to the federal government and, frankly, the power to say no. You want to buy a big Texas pickup? No, you can't do that. You want to buy a weapon of some sort? No, you can't do that. You want to buy potentially a Bible? Maybe not. If the federal government was run by people who believed in the government having say so over your financial future.
SPEAKER 07 :
So where is this going, this whole cryptocurrency thing? It's a digital currency. And thank you, by the way, you and the members of the Freedom Caucus for standing against this central bank overseeing and having the ability to provide surveillance over that digital currency. But is this going to take over the dollar? Is there a threat of that? Are we moving towards a digital currency situation? across the board, or is this another type of currency that American people would be able to utilize?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, right now it's another type of currency, and there are several different types. We don't have time to go into all of them, but my colleague Warren Davidson is very concerned that one of the issues needs to be not only surveillance, but that you maintain self-custody of your assets. In other words, you get to move them around without going through a third party. You don't have to have a third party, again, that has transparency into your transactions. You control your assets even though they're digital assets.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's going to be very interesting. And I know I've spoken with Warren Davidson as well about this, and you're right. He is a master on all of this and has been involved in the conversations from early on. But this whole cryptocurrency thing is gaining momentum. And it's going to be something that we're going to have to deal with at some point. So again, thanks to you and your colleagues in the Freedom Caucus for doing everything you can to at least make sure that privacy is maintained with those who utilize a cryptocurrency. Speaking of the Freedom Caucus, Congressman Self, let me ask you this. And I know better, but I've heard it, and it's being widespread through the legacy media. Among people who are saying the Freedom Caucus has caved when it comes to various demands, whenever there is something that conflicts with President Trump, that the Freedom Caucus caves and just does what President Trump wants. How do you respond to that kind of allegation?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the old saying is the devil is in the details. And we look at the details of some issues, the one big, beautiful bill two weeks ago, this week, the cryptocurrency. We are doing everything we can to push our conference to the right. to maintain personal responsibility, freedom, freedom of speech, freedoms across the board, in this case, privacy of your finances. We are taking the lead and making sure that everything that we pass adheres as much as possible to the concept of freedom, free speech, personal responsibility. So while people say we fold, we move everything here as far as we can toward the freedom end of the spectrum. And at the end of the day, when we have done everything we can do, we say we have done everything we can do and we agree to move the very important issue forward. We're not folding. We're moving it as far as we can.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and you're doing a masterful job at it. Of course, I was a part of the Freedom Caucus as well, in fact, an original member of the Freedom Caucus. And I tell you, they're just warriors, absolute warriors in the Freedom Caucus. And I have watched and, of course, been in many conversations with various members and seeing how – effective HFC has been in moving the needle of the entire conference further to the right has just been remarkable. And this is a group that really is being a voice for millions of Americans who believe they've lost their voice in Washington. So thank you so much. Congressman Keith Self.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. Jody, you know better than anyone, because you're a founding member, you know that the mission of the Freedom Caucus is to move the conference as far as we can toward freedom, end of the spectrum. You know better than anyone, our mission is not to take anything down. It's to move it to the right. Move it to the right.
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Congressman Keith Self, House Freedom Caucus, Texas, thank you so much. Great job. Keep it up. Thank you. All right, friends, coming up next, we're going to look at a troubling rise coming out of New York City's mayoral candidate. Boy, you don't want to miss what's coming up. We'll cover it right after the break. Stay tuned.
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Welcome back to a Washington Watch. Good afternoon. I'm Jody Heiss. An honor to be filling in today for Tony. All right. The Democratic nominee for New York City mayor, Zoran Mamdani, he is what do we know about him? He's a 33 year old self-proclaimed Democratic socialist. And I think it's fair to say he certainly has become the darling of the left after he beat former Governor Andrew Cuomo in the primary last month. But Assemblyman from New York, Mamdani, he was actually in D.C. yesterday. He was meeting with Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other Democrats. They met at the National Democratic Club. He's trying to build his coalition so that he can— obviously, he wants to be in the Gracie Mansion there in New York next year. But certainly— He is an individual who has a lot of questions floating all around him, probably not the least of which, for some of us watching and listening right now, is what is a democratic socialist? And what do we know about Mamdani's background? Well, here with his thoughts is author and freelance columnist Larry Taunton. Larry, welcome back to Washington Watch. Always an honor to have you.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's always good to be with you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so for those who may not be tracking the mayor race in New York City or New York City's politics in general, catch us up a little bit on who is Zoran Mamdani, what's his background, and what are his views as a self-proclaimed Democrat Socialist?
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Well, what I'm going to say here is perhaps controversial, and I'm just giving you my own opinion here. But I think he's disguising who he really is. Mamdani gives the impression – that he is a socialist, actually a communist, a hardcore communist, though they deny that that's actually what he is. But, you know, it's really my argument that he is first and foremost a Muslim. I mean, we do have him recorded, you know, speaking of how it's his desire to bring more Muslims, you know, into the country. And you see the larger plan for Islam is that they have discovered that the path to power in America is through socialism. They look at London, Britain itself as a whole is really the model. You have Saqib Khan's London there. He's a sort of a soft socialist is the way that he packages himself, but they've actually, they're waging war on white people in particular, on the Christian faith. in particular, free speech while opening the floodgates to Muslims coming into that country. And the result of that is nothing short of frightening. I was a student in London in the early 90s. And the way that country is now is it's been totally transformed by Islam, and that's the model here. And so I think that Muslims have realized that their path here isn't to come as open Muslims who desire to create a caliphate, but rather to come as socialists.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's a great comparison and something I think that provides a wake-up call for everyone. What do we know about his father, Mahmoud Mamdani? And specifically what I'm thinking about is his anti-Israel views.
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Well, I don't think we know honestly an awful lot about any of them. But what we do know is that he's a guy who has made a case for suicide bombing, that he sees it as a legitimate form of warfare. And that, again, takes me back to Islam because, you see, this is – this is actually quite consistent with what Islam is. It's quite consistent with the Quran. And you see, Muslims, something that Americans just simply do not understand, and having spent so much time in the Middle East, as I have, and reporting on Islam, debating Muslims on Al Jazeera. I've debated them in Hyde Park, London, which is where the real radicals hang out. I've debated them on CNN International, Islam holds that it's morally acceptable to lie if it advances the cause of Allah, if it advances the cause of Islam. And this is why I argue that he's not a socialist. He knows that the way to win, particularly in New York and with millennials and Gen Zers, is through socialism and so no they're not open about what their plan is here and of course his desire to create all of this uh you know free housing and so forth i i would be willing um to um to bet a substantial amount i know i i know this isn't what we do here but that his plan is to fill that housing with Muslim immigrants. That is the goal. I mean, this is a guy who's also stated that it's his desire to increase taxes on white people. So while he's saying that, we're watching what's happening in Minneapolis, where we have a political candidate there who has stated very much the same thing. So you see, this is very much consistent with say someone like Ilhan Omar. I've always argued Ilhan Omar is not first and foremost a socialist. She is a fifth columnist. She is trying to advance Islam.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely. So what do you take of his win in this primary? What does it say about the Democratic Party?
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Well, the Democrat party of, you know, my father was a lifelong Democrat. He died in 2006 and probably fairly typical of many Democrats. My father was, you know, what was once called a Reagan Democrat. The last Democrat president he voted for was Jimmy Carter, and he lived to regret that. Meaning that this is not a Democrat party that his generation would recognize at all. He loved his country, wasn't for open borders. I mean, that Democrat Party is dead. This is a radicalized Democrat Party that is seeking the annihilation. You know, I used to say that it was the annihilation of borders and to flip red states into blue states. That's all part of it. But their ultimate goal is the destruction of American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism is real. And it was Obama who first kind of stated this. And they know that the keystone that sits above the doorway of freedom around the world is the United States. And they know that the key to that, what undergirds it, is, of course, the Christian faith.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Amazing. I wish we had more time. I look forward to have you on, Larry, some more to talk about this further. But thank you, Larry Taunton, author and freelance columnist. Great insight. We appreciate it very much. Appreciate you coming on. All right, friends, COVID-19, the pandemic may be over, but the World Health Organization, they're still going full force. And we've got some info you need to hear right after the break.
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Good afternoon. Welcome back to Washington Watch. An honor to have you joining us today. I'm Jody Heiss, and pleased to be filling in for Tony. All right, the COVID-19 pandemic. We look at it now from the rearview mirror, but that does not mean that the World Health Organization has forgotten the unprecedented impact amount of power that nations willingly handed these so-called experts. And we all watched in shock as they did some of the things they did. Well, this coming Saturday, they're going to attempt to recover some of that unprecedented power. July 19th is a deadline for countries to reject the 2024 amendments to the World Health Organization's international health regulations. So what does all that mean? and probably more importantly, is there anything that can be done about it? Well, joining me now to discuss this is Frank Gaffney. He's the president of the Institute for America's Future, and he also is the host of Securing America, which is heard on Real America's Voice Network. Frank, welcome back to Washington Watch. It's an honor to have you, my friend.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, it's great to be with you, Congressman. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, listen, I don't know of anyone who has kept up with this particular issue more than you. You and I have had multiple conversations about the power of the World Health Organization. So let me start with this question. Is the U.S. in any way a party to this international health regulations that WHO is in control of?
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Well, it's a very important question, and I think it depends, really, on what is done by President Trump in the next two or three days. As things stand right now, under the Biden administration, which was only too happy to see global governance collapse, advocates, like the World Health Organization, like the United Nations, like the World Economic Forum and associated multinational companies who have been driving this train that what we need is a new world order, one that is run by elites who are not accountable, who are not elected to rule us, but who will nonetheless have the authority to do so. They have, as a result of championing in the Biden years, something called the amendments to the international health regulations, which actually predate the creation of the World Health Organization. So the World Health Organization is sort of the entity that you know, applies them and implements them and so on. But the reason I'm going to make all this plain is that just because President Trump, to his great credit, has said we're getting out of the World Health Organization, effective as soon as possible, which is January of next year, we will still be bound by these international health regulations and the amendments thereto. that were adopted last year, if he does not say we're out of that too. And so, as you mentioned in your opening, it's critically important that the president take this action of formally notifying the UN, the World Health Organization, that We are not going to be bound by these amended health regulations. And for good reasons, Jody. They are very troubling on a couple of different scores, if you'd like to get into that piece.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, let's get in that. We've only got a couple of minutes left. So we have until July 19th, this Saturday. If it does not happen, how would the United States be obligated? How would that impact our sovereignty or whatever else would be impacted? Yeah.
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Well, there are basically four different ways. One is that the amendments transform the World Health Organization's director general from a guy who provides advice which nations can take or not take about so-called public health emergencies of international concern. It changes that into being able unilaterally to declare when one exists and then to dictate what nations have to be. to do to implement his guidelines for addressing that public health emergency of international concern. So that's one way you would see a direct affront to our sovereignty. Another is that it talks about censorship arrangements. We saw a lot of that, as you were mentioning, in connection with COVID-19. That's an affront to our sovereignty and our personal freedoms if we're being told you can't say certain things because they don't conform to the dictates of the World Health Organization. Another is a sort of surveillance state quality. They want to create digital IDs for every man, woman, and child on the planet. And they want everybody in the name of having the ability to monitor their health conditions to provide intensive personal details about their health condition.
SPEAKER 07 :
Frank, let me ask you this. What can our audience do to try to stop this power grab? We've got about 30 seconds.
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Well, I'll just say the fourth thing is that there are also financial implications as well. We're going to have to spend money if we're told to do so. The bottom line is this. Get in touch with the White House. I believe the switchboard there is 202-456-1414, if I'm not mistaken. Please let President Trump know you want him to act to reject, affirmatively reject, these international health regulations and spare us the assault on our sovereignty and personal freedoms.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now is the time to let your voice be heard. Frank Gaffney, president of the Institute for American Future, thank you so much for joining us. You've been on top of this issue for a long time. God bless you for it. Thank you for joining us on Washington Watch. All right, don't go anywhere. Dr. George Barna is going to be joining me next with the latest research he has. This is fascinating. How states rank when it comes to a biblical worldview. Where's your state stack up? Well, we'll get to it right on the other side of the break. Stay tuned.
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SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
Welcome back. Hope you are having a great day. I'm Jody Heiss, an honor to be filling in today for Tony here on Washington Watch. Now, before I get to my final guest, friends, I've got a very, very important action item for you. We are calling on the Trump administration to take immediate action and decisive action to end the Biden-era policies that allowed dangerous abortion drugs to be trafficked literally across state lines. And so I'm encouraging you, if you have not already done so, I'm strongly encouraging, pleading with you to sign our petition calling, asking the Trump administration to restore and strengthen FDA safety standards for Mifepristone. And we're asking the Trump administration to direct the Department of Justice to enforce federal law. And we really... need your voice to be behind this, to give strength to it. So I'm asking you to sign a petition. Simply text the word LIFE to 67742. That's LIFE to 67742. And again, thank you in advance for helping us with this. Okay, I don't think I need to tell anyone in this audience that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values, Judeo-Christian principles. But neither do I have to tell you that many in America today have walked away from that. In fact, the real question is now, how many Americans actually still maintain a biblical worldview? And speaking of that, across the country, does a biblical worldview differ from state to state? Does it differ from region to region? Are there particular traits that are in common with more biblically engaged states versus ones that hold to a more biblical outlook? Well, here now to share more about what he has found in this whole discussion is Dr. George Barna. Of course, he's a professor at Arizona Christian University, where he leads their cultural research center. And he is also senior fellow here at the Family Research Council's Center for Biblical Worldview. Dr. Barna, always an honor to have you on the program, sir. Thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER 11 :
Jody, thank you. It's always great to be with you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I have been absolutely fascinated by this recent study you have given. I've heard you speak about it in other places, and I've just been sounding the alarm here saying we've got to have George on to talk about this. So thank you for coming on. Let me begin with this, because I believe this is foundational for us to kind of help understand all of this. Your study uses the term integrated disciples, right? So let's start there. What do you mean by an integrated disciple?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that's a term that we use to describe people who have a biblical worldview, but it's not just a set of beliefs that are isolated from how they act in their lives. These are people who have taken that biblical worldview and integrated it into how they live. You can tell that they're disciples of Christ because they've converted their beliefs into behavior. So we use that expression to get away from simply being someone who owns a Bible or reads a Bible or goes to church or calls themselves a Christian. It's a group of people that have committed their life to Jesus. And we know that that's the case because you can watch them and you can understand what they believe by observing their behavior. They model what it means to be an imitator of Jesus Christ. We're all called to be that. The Great Commission calls each of us who are that to commit our lives to making more disciples. But it's shocking how few of those we find in America today. You know, we've only got 4% of adults in the country who have a biblical worldview, which you need in order to become an imitator of Christ. Why? Because we do what we believe. And so if you want to live like Christ, you've got to think like Christ. Thinking like him is what enables you to act like him. and acting like him is what enables you to truly be a disciple. So we've only got 4% of adults in America who have a biblical worldview, only 6% of the people who call themselves Christians have a biblical worldview, only 12% of the people who would be theologically identifiable as born-again Christians, only one out of eight of them have a biblical worldview. And consequently, we've only got about 3% of adults in America who qualify by the standards that Jesus gives us in the scriptures as disciples. So we've got a long way to go, Jody.
SPEAKER 07 :
We've got a long, long ways to go. And that's why, to me, I wanted to start here because this whole term sets apart other research about, like you said, who reads the Bible, who maybe attends churches, who professes Christianity. We're talking about integrated disciples, people who are authentic followers of Jesus. And when you look at those numbers, It's frightful. We've got a long ways to go. So your research, among other things, you've ranked states as to where they stand in all this, 4% of the country, but that varies from state to state. Can you share with us maybe the top 10 states with the highest adults who embrace a biblical worldview?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, if we look at that top 10, what we find is Alabama and Mississippi are considerably ahead of all of the other states. On average, they've got about 12.5% of the people in their states who have a biblical worldview. And again, that's compared to a national average of 4%. So roughly three times the national average. Then it drops down to South Carolina around 10%. Arkansas at 9%. Montana at 8%. Virginia and Idaho around 7%. You've got Oklahoma, Tennessee about 6.5%. And rounding out the top 10, you'd have North Carolina just above 6%.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so let's go to the other end of the spectrum. What are the lowest? There's got to be pretty drastic. If the national average is 4%, we're starting with some up above 10%. What are the 10 worst states?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, by far the worst is Rhode Island. I should mention that our ranking covers only 45 of the 50 states, so there are five other states we don't have in here. But 45th out of the 45 is Rhode Island, with less than one quarter of 1% of the adult population of Rhode Island having a biblical worldview. Then the other ones in the bottom 10 include Maine at about 1%, Nebraska, 1.5%. You've got Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Connecticut, each a little bit under 2%. You've got New Mexico around 2%, New Hampshire at about 2.5%, and then you've got Louisiana and New York at about 3%. So those are the bottom 10.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, as you're going through that list, first of all, my real question is, what is the deal with Rhode Island? How did they get right around one quarter of 1%? But while you were going through that, Nebraska shocked me. Let's start with the Rhode Island question, though, first. How did they end up at a quarter of 1%?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, you know, when you think historically about New England and where we got the country from, New England, people living there coming over for religious freedom, wanting to worship God, love God. And now you see what's happened in New England, it being the lowest. of the nine census divisions in terms of biblical worldview. It's pretty tragic. Rhode Island is a great example of what happens there. They've given up on the basics. There's something that we call the seven cornerstones of a biblical worldview. Seven very basic beliefs that if you own those beliefs, you don't just give them verbal assent, but you believe them, you live them, you profess them to other people, it's part of your identity, part of who you are, you're probably gonna go on and develop a biblical worldview. Not the case in Rhode Island, where we find that they're very, very low on these seven cornerstones. Simple things like believing in the God of the Bible, believing that we as human beings are sinners, believing that the only antidote to our sin is Jesus Christ saving us, believing that there is such a thing as absolute moral truth, believing that the Bible contains that absolute moral truth, that it's a reliable and trustworthy guide for our lives, believing that success can best be defined in life as consistent obedience to God, and believing that the general purpose for our life is to know, love, and serve God with all our heart, mind, strength, and soul. Seven very simple things you probably learned in Sunday School 101, but that's something that most people in Rhode Island do not believe.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, so real quickly, and I want to go to another topic, but how do you explain Nebraska and all of this? That was a surprise to me when you mentioned them in the bottom ten.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I'll be honest with you, it surprised me too. There were a number of surprises we found. Texas was a surprise, a few other states as well. I'm not sure at this point how to explain Nebraska. We've got to do follow-up research to figure that out because that certainly came out of nowhere. Just as finding that Texas is in the middle of the pack, it ranked 27th out of the 45 states that were ranked. Again, another surprise.
SPEAKER 07 :
Wow. If I can, George, let me shift gears. Another study that you came out with indicates that millions of deity doubters are now open to possibly being persuaded that the God of the Bible does in fact exist and that he's able to influence and change lives. Tell us a little bit about that. How many people are we talking about in this universe that you've identified?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, when we look at the people who don't believe that God exists, and of course there are certain levels, different levels of that. You've got people who say they're absolutely certain God doesn't exist. You've got people who say they're pretty certain, but not doubt-free about their doubts. So you put it all together, and what you wind up with is about 72 million people, adults in America, who are saying that they doubt that God exists. But then when we look at how many of them say, but if they encountered a good argument from a person they found convincing or persuasive, they might be willing to change their mind and believe that God exists. I mean, we've got 34% who say they're completely open. among the doubters to getting rid of their doubt, to saying, yeah, maybe God does exist. You got another 38% who say they might be open if they found that kind of persuasive person with a really strong argument. So there's a lot of hope out there. Even a lot of the people who right now are ignoring God and turning their backs on him, many of them are saying, yeah, but I'm open to change.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that's fascinating. I mean, we're talking, I don't know, probably somewhere between 45 and 50 million people based on that who, at least to one degree or another, are open to that discussion and even open to changing their beliefs about God, the existence of God. So that leads me to this all-important question, therefore, George. What are some tangible... things, perhaps conversations that our audience can utilize to persuade people in their own lives that fall into this category to consider the God of the Bible.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, we've been looking into that. I'm doing a lot of research on that right now, and what we're consistently finding is that what makes a difference is when you can develop trust in the mind and heart of the other person they know you they trust you they're willing to have conversations with you and the best approach to take is not to tell them that they're wrong not to tell them they're stupid not to tell them they're going to hell it's to continue to build that trust-based relationship with them let you let them know that you really do care but that you're really interested in what they're thinking and how they came to their conclusions. And having what we would refer to as a Socratic conversation, which means that instead of telling them, well, let me tell you what the truth is. Let me tell you what you ought to believe. Let me tell you what a smart person would buy into. Instead, what you do is you keep asking, well, what do you think about God? How did you come to that conclusion? How certain are you of that? What kind of things have changed your mind in the past? Because we find that most people who today are adults and say that they don't believe in God also tell us that at one point in their life when they were younger, they did believe in God. And so there were things that changed their perspective. And so for us to understand that and to maintain this kind of conversation, then we get to keep asking them what they believe, what they don't believe, why they believe it, why they don't believe it. And what we find is that over the course of time, a couple of things happen. One is that they become more interested in the topic. A second thing is that they tend to enjoy the conversation if we're not threatening them, if we're not... overtly trying to get them to change. Now, somebody who doesn't believe in God, I want them to believe in God because I know God exists. I know he's the center of my life and I know he changes everything in my life. I want them to believe that too. But they've got to own that. They've got to get there on their own. I can't force them to believe it. So having these conversations are critical. And the other main thing that I want to leave behind with everybody is that when you have these conversations, one of the elements that comes with it is the person that you're conversing with starts watching you very carefully all the time because they want to see how do these beliefs manifest themselves in your behavior. How does it change who you are and how you live? What difference does it make? Is it real or is this just an argument that you're trying to get me to buy into so that you win the argument?
SPEAKER 07 :
Which goes all the way back to where we started being an integrated disciple and an authentic follower of Jesus makes all the difference. Dr. George Barna, Senior Research Fellow here at the Family Research Council's Center for Biblical Worldview. Absolutely a fascinating research and discussion that we've been able to have. Thank you so much for coming on the program and sharing with us.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you, Jody.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, friends, a wide, wide open door right there for the Church of Jesus Christ to have an enormous impact. Wow. Thank you so much for joining us yet again here on Washington Watch. Hope you have a wonderful evening. Look forward to seeing you again tomorrow, same time. God bless.
SPEAKER 24 :
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Join us for an intriguing episode where we explore the transformative power of media through time, starting with the pivotal role of Diane Carroll in breaking racial barriers. Her portrayal in 'Julia' as a strong black female lead during a tumultuous era marked an evolution in television's portrayal of black lives. Meanwhile, the charm of the 1960s television landscape is revisited as the hosts indulge in a spirited chat about Broadway memories and music icon Connie Francis. Turning towards contemporary matters, the episode delves into the complex debate surrounding Trump and the enduring Epstein saga. Through a critical lens, the hosts ponder conspiracy theories, the weight of promises made, and the dynamics that influence Trump's relationship with his supporters. They offer a thoughtful analysis of political maneuvering and expectations as they relate to public scrutiny and accountability. Finally, the episode shifts its focus to the bustling political scene in New York, with a look at current polling trends and potential shifts in power. Our hosts provide insightful commentary on the competitive four-way race, highlighting the strategies and alliances that are at play. A thought-provoking journey from the past to the present, this episode is rich with critical insights and memorable dialogue.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, Julia? Look at you!
SPEAKER 02 :
Look at you! The wonderful Diane Carroll. She would have been 90 today, passed away back in 2019. But I loved this show. And it was, you know, you could say racial tensions were a thing in 1968. But the crotchety old actor Lloyd Nolan, you remember him? It was Dr. Chegley or whatever his name was. And she was a middle class person, a nurse, a mom raising a kid. So before Cosby sort of normalized and de-stereotypified a black life, there was Julia. She was also the first black woman right into your world to win a Tony for Best Actress.
SPEAKER 01 :
Let's talk some more. I want to talk the whole segment about obscure TV shows from the 1960s. Because there's nothing going on.
SPEAKER 02 :
I think we need to talk about... Oh, like you don't want to tell us about going to four Broadway shows yesterday.
SPEAKER 01 :
Let's talk about Connie. I want to talk about Connie Francis. Yes, the death of Connie Francis. Now, that was a legend. Yeah, but... Let's talk about her music. I want to talk about anything but Epstein. Oh, I get it. I want to do anything but Epstein.
SPEAKER 02 :
Flood the zone. Flood the zone.
SPEAKER 01 :
Fill it up. Look at the time. What a talent she was. Did I tell you about the time I went and saw her perform in upstate New York back in the day?
SPEAKER 02 :
Did you go backstage? Did you meet 14 people and tell me about all of them?
SPEAKER 01 :
I didn't meet them. Oh, it's okay, Mike.
SPEAKER 02 :
It's okay. It's all right.
SPEAKER 01 :
What a mess. What a mess. I mean, I took the day off yesterday, did something fun. Don't want to get into too many details, but I wound up in New York sort of the last minute for a trip on behalf of some friends. Back now in South Carolina, where I'm spending wonderful time here. I'm telling you, you and Lisa should come visit. It is a wonderful place.
SPEAKER 02 :
Just a great state.
SPEAKER 01 :
But I got my nose plugged into the interwebs. And I got my phone. And my eyes and my ears are bleeding. Because I'm trying to make sense of it all.
SPEAKER 02 :
Where were you when Trump went full flame on Truth Social yesterday at about 9?
SPEAKER 01 :
I was trying to crawl into a hole. I was finding an 8-foot... deep hole that I could crawl into when he seemed to flame his former supporters. Now, look, all right, so let's stipulate a few things. He's frustrated. He's upset. He can't believe that the Epstein thing is still lingering, that people are still fired up about it, and they are. Of course. Look, like you wrote in your Star Telegram piece, People have a right to demand accountability after being lied to over and over and over again. We get it, we get it, we get it. I want to do a deep dive on the phrase conspiracy theory because to me the more important of the two words is theory. We always focus on the conspiracy theory. But let's not also minimize the impact of theory in conspiracy theory. You know what a theory is? It's like, well, it could be this. It could be that. It could be true. It could be false. You know, to paraphrase your friend Tucker Carlson, I'm just asking questions here. It's a theory. I'm just throwing it out there. That's the whole DNA of a conspiracy theory. So... There could be a list somewhere that got destroyed or that they're hiding or that implicates powerful people, or there could not be. You believe there's no list. I kind of think there's no list. I'm going to break this down and understand that you and I are going to play this exactly right. We're not going to shut down the people who are frustrated by it, but we're going to keep this in proper perspective. This is all about perspective here. Do you realize Republicans have been promising to defund public television and radio for decades?
SPEAKER 02 :
And we could never do it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Guess who got it done? We promised it over and over again. Again, the list of promises made, promises kept, is astounding in six months. We got all these victories. We got these enormous accomplishments. And people are bailing on Trump over Epstein. Now, here's some perspective. If you're bailing on Trump over Epstein, you weren't particularly on board to begin with. There's no way around this. I'd like to say there is. I'd like to say somebody changed their mind about Trump over Epstein. No, you didn't. No, you didn't. You think you've got cover now to come out of hiding and torch him because that's what you've wanted to do all along. I really believe that.
SPEAKER 02 :
I'm going to partially push back. Because I think generally you're right. There are a lot of people who are saying that they were all on board, MAGA red hat wearing, and now I'm out. And I think those people are lying. But with a couple of folks that I've talked to and a couple of folks who maybe you've talked to or may yet talk to, there are some people who are 1,000% in for him. And the list of reasons is long. It contains all the things you just mentioned, fixing the border, gender sanity, environmental sanity, fiscal sanity, government efficiency, blah, blah, blah. But also on that list is this promise that he and his team seemed to make that you will get your client list. And having been denied that is, they feel, a betrayal of the highest order. So it's not all faint followers or squishes.
SPEAKER 01 :
And I don't know. And I don't know how you resolve that, to tell you the truth, because that gets to the core of what I think has happened here. I think that the sharp-elbowed red meat members of Trump world, maybe President Trump himself, to some degree, overpromised. The whole Epstein story. And now they got under the hood and they said, well, there's not a lot there. The bad guy's dead. His pimp is in jail. There's not a whole lot left here that we can do. Now, that's not satisfying to people. No. But that's what I think happened. Now, but again, that's a theory, Mark. I could be wrong. Maybe Trump is in on it. Maybe he's covering up for pedophiles. I know. Hardly likely. Hardly likely that even Pam Bondi is giving cover to pedophiles. Hardly likely that Kash Patel is protecting pedophiles. So something else is going on. So I don't know. I mean, Miranda Devine wrote a piece in the New York Post. Here's how Trump fixes this. And she essentially said... And going scorched earth on his supporters might not be the primary way to do it. But she does suggest somehow they've got to get a hold of this. But she doesn't really say how. Now, part of that is a technical glitch because I think my team sent me a partial article of Miranda Devine. So I think when I got to the part where she said there's a remedy, I didn't get to the actual remedy.
SPEAKER 02 :
Here's what he should do.
SPEAKER 01 :
It's like, leave me hanging.
SPEAKER 02 :
It's an ad for a pool floatie.
SPEAKER 01 :
But the part where I got to, and Eric and Joey and the team are scrambling to fill – I bet they are now. Yeah, well, no kidding. Having been shamed. Oh, yeah, I'm reading this right before coming to you. I'm thinking, oh, good, I get to the cliffhanger. Here's what he needs to do. But it was the beginnings of – Get a hold of this thing. Figure out how to get ahead of this. So what does that look like? Because that sounds great.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's the question. So let me put it in the form of a Q&A for you, Mike Gallagher. For you, Mike Gallagher. Mike Gallagher. Should Pam Bondi just release something? And I don't mean just find empty pages. You can't make something up. What if there's nothing to release? I know. And then Trump puts it right in her lap. It's not Trump sitting there saying, I call on Pam Bondi to release all this stuff. He clearly, for some reason, doesn't want to do that. So he says to her, if there's something valid, if there's something confirmable, if there's something reliable, go ahead and release it. So now the onus is on her.
SPEAKER 01 :
And if there's not? If there's nothing releasable, then what are you going to do?
SPEAKER 02 :
Then you have to say so. Well, he is. He is. He's saying it's a hoax. But yes, that the existence and what he means is not that there was no pedophile ring and no misbehavior or maybe not even some significant people involved in it at some point. But the notion that there is a tasty, salacious, sizzling client list that will be bombshell upon bombshell. That was the hoax. And the barrier here, not so much with Trump, but with some folks we really, really love, like Bongino and Patel, is they spend a lot of time mouthing off about, here it comes, don't let this go, you're being lied to. And now that they have real jobs in real government, they realize that they overplayed it exponentially, and they don't want to say, we made a mistake.
SPEAKER 01 :
Let's acknowledge that this is the one pitfall. This is the consequence of liking cable news stars to join your team. These are cable news stars. And they're good at it. I mean, they're very good at clicks. They're very good at engagement. That's dismissive, though. That's kind of broadly dismissive. But it's true. Is Judge Jeanine Pirro a problem? No. I didn't say problem. I didn't say that. It's not a pejorative. I'm telling you it's a consequence. These are people who know how to give good material.
SPEAKER 02 :
You and I know how to give good material.
SPEAKER 01 :
But if we were in the Trump administration?
SPEAKER 02 :
I know, but if let's say you and I were named to White House posts tomorrow, I get tingly thinking about that. They're not going to come back and find audio or video of you or me promising everybody a client list. You know why? Because we restrained ourselves. We didn't do it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I don't know that that's true. We do hours a day of provocative commentary. Well, I don't know. But there's things you could have said. You know how to deliver material to an audience. Most bureaucrats aren't of that ilk. Most people aren't Seb Gorka, aren't Jeanine Pirro. Perfect example. Your example proves my point there.
SPEAKER 02 :
You just gave Dr. Gorka. They're not going to find something Seb said on a show that he'll have to explain or apologize for or wring his hands over in White House service.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, they've been doing it relentlessly. Tried but failed. Yeah, but these are provocateurs. And I don't say that in a pejorative way. They're not Washington bureaucrats. So all I'm saying is the consequence of hiring. a cable news star is that you're going to have a body of evidence. Look, Trump never said he was campaigning on the Epstein files. No, that's a lot of people have said that. Trump campaigned on this, but he didn't. He was asked one time whether in one interview apparently on a podcast in September of 2024, he was asked specifically about it. He said, I'll take a look at it.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's all he said. I'm leaning toward it. He absolutely never promised a release of the Epstein files.
SPEAKER 01 :
No. You know what he campaigned on? Reducing inflation. Fixing the border. The stuff he's done. The stuff he's actually done. And don't you know?
SPEAKER 02 :
Don't you know? Listen, you know him. You know him even a little better. You've spent more time around him than I have. This is driving him insane. Oh, he's frustrated. And he deserves to be. I totally get it. My Star-Telegram column point this morning is... He and the team need to handle this a little better, navigate it with a little more skill. But I totally understand how it's just putting his voluminous hair on fire, even more orange than it usually is, at the notion that all these successes are being eaten alive by Epstein mania.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I'm going to turn it over to the audience because I want to make sure, because I'm not real clear where the audience is on this. I thought I had it understood. I mean, when I left before I took yesterday off, basically I thought most people were saying, we've got to move on. This is a distraction. And most are.
SPEAKER 02 :
And most, if the definition of most is 50.0001% or more. Most, absolutely.
SPEAKER 01 :
Absolutely. I don't know. I'm not entirely sure I agree with that. Here's what I do know. Real quick note about New York. You know, we interviewed Curtis Lewa the other day. Yes. And this Mamdani character is such a fascinating, out-of-state donors are now flocking to the campaign. I mean, he is a dream for the AOCs of the world. Well, there's a brand-new poll just came out from HarrisX. Look, in a four-way race, where do you hear these results? Mamdani is ahead 26%, right? He's tied with Cuomo, essentially, 23%. Sliwa, 22%. Look at there. And you know who's fourth? Eric Adams.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, Eric Adams, exactly.
SPEAKER 01 :
Eric Adams, the incumbent, he's at 13%. So look, in a four-way race, it's very competitive. I know one thing. If Cuomo and Sliwa somehow united, they win. They beat this guy. It's going to come down to that. It's going to come down to one of the two of them saying, all right, let's coalesce, because they're going to split the vote, Mark. I'm telling you, if it's Cuomo and Sliwa, and maybe it is, and I love me some Curtis. I wish Cuomo would say, look, I'm kind of disgraced. I've had this terrible track record. I was drummed out of office.
SPEAKER 02 :
He's going to do that.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, he might be more inclined to do it than Curtis. Curtis ain't going anywhere.
SPEAKER 02 :
And neither is Eric Adams, I don't think.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, Eric Adams is almost an afterthought.
SPEAKER 02 :
You think somebody couldn't use his 13%? That's 13% in a close race. But if it's 23 and 22, I like those numbers.
SPEAKER 01 :
I do, too. That's 55. All righty, man.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right, so here we are back in the upstate. It's going to be fine. It's all going to be fine. As you listen to the people.
SPEAKER 01 :
Connie Francis, that was a good one. It sure was.
SPEAKER 02 :
Here's 47 details of her upbringing. But here's the thing. You and I have talked about this a lot. You could fill the lines with people who say, I'm done with Trump because of this. It does not make them a majority. It makes them a voice worthy of hearing, no doubt about it. We've dealt with this our entire careers.
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I don't think there are people who are actually saying I'm done with Trump because of Epstein.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, I've talked to two of them, at least. Diehard Trump supporters? Yep, yep, yep. There they are. And they're done with him because of Epstein? It's a moment. Oh, thanks for letting me say this.
SPEAKER 01 :
No, they're not. That's not real.
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It is a momentary tantrum.
SPEAKER 01 :
That's not legitimate.
SPEAKER 02 :
There's no way that's legitimate. They mean it. They mean it now.
SPEAKER 01 :
They'll get better. Well, that's how I'll start the show. I'll find out if there's anybody really done with Trump because of Epstein. All right. Love you.
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Love you, Mike Gallagher from the Palmetto State. Ready to go as soon as we're done. 10 o'clock right here on 660 AM. The answer for full shows live and on demand. It's a news channel.
MAJOR UPDATE: Epstein Prosecutor FIRED!
SPEAKER 03 :
We've got a major update.
SPEAKER 04 :
Epstein, prosecutor, fired. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever. This is Seculo. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekula.
SPEAKER 03 :
Welcome to Sekula. Phone lines are open for you. 1-800-684-3110. And right now, look, I hate to see anyone lose their job. Well, it's unfortunate. We've got a packed show, by the way. CeCe Heil is joining us. Rick Grinnell is going to be joining us. Packed show. Stay tuned. Again, 1-800-684-3110 to have your voice heard. You may have seen the major update. What is it? And that is that the prosecutor for not only Jeffrey Epstein, but also for Diddy, has been fired by Department of Justice, a.k.a. through Pam Bondi's office. And this one... May seem a bit familiar, Will, because what's the name of this attorney?
SPEAKER 05 :
This is the second Comey that the Trump administration has fired, because the first was obviously James Comey as FBI director in the first term. This is James Comey's daughter, Maureen Comey, who is a prosecutor for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan in the U.S. Attorney's Office there. She obviously has worked on some of these high-profile cases. For sure. you talked about not she was one of the prosecutors on the epstein case then on galaine maxwell's case as well as the diddy uh combs case and now we have uh no longer employed comey uh at the doj there hasn't been a specific reason given at this point but with all the fallout with the epstein documents the epstein list i mean just the last few weeks of all that conversation There's a lot of speculation about to the reasons, and we can talk about some of that in the next segment as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
There hasn't been a specific reason of why she's let go. And look, I don't think anyone needs to be judged by, I guess you'd say, the sins of their father. So in that way, like, I don't know what she did or just because she's a commie doesn't mean that's how she deals with things. Doesn't mean that she's anything to do with her father. I have no idea. But of course, we got to give you the facts. And the facts are pretty interesting, which you have high profile. Member, high profile attorney. She happens to be a Comey. She happens to be the child of James Comey. And of course, then you have on that she did Jeffrey Epstein. And of course, Sean Diddy Combs. So that is where we're at right now. Phone lines are open for you. We also have a huge update. You know, the ACLJ, we have been fighting in that situation where the Army was training specifically their teams at Fort Bragg. That, you know, look out for terrorist organizations, including, you know, top terrorists like Operation Rescue, the National Right to Life. Maybe it's somebody like Will's parents driving around with that yellow pro-life license plate. It's Choose Life.
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Choose Life.
SPEAKER 03 :
But pro-life in general. Right. And we've been fighting hard on that because we thought it was ridiculous and egregious. And now we actually have an answer. And we're going to get to that a little bit later in the show. We got an answer from Will, someone pretty high up. That's right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And we're just going to tease that out. We are going to get to it. But it is a major development, something we've been fighting hard for. And really, I think a lot of you are going to be very pleased with this announcement as we bring that up a little bit later on.
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Phone lines are open for you. 1-800-684-3110. We're not only fighting those big battles, you know, about the fight against Planned Parenthood and the challenging of road judges, but we're also taking on numerous other cases defending faith and freedom nationwide and worldwide with our ECLJ and with our Jerusalem Center, the ACLJ Jerusalem. And right now we need your support more than ever. We're going to expand our efforts. That's what we want to do. If we've been 35 years of justice, let's have another 35. Have your gifts doubled today. Because right now you go to ACLJ.org. aclj.org or slash 35 if you want to go directly to it when you do that make a donation of any kind to become an aclj champion that's someone that gives on a monthly basis couple good things when you give and become a monthly member it gives us a great baseline but also your first donation is doubled right now so all donations made whether you're selected to be a champion or not it's effectively doubled there's someone ready to match that donation and that's incredible of course it's tax deductible you can cancel anytime But have your gifts doubled today. We need the resources to not only continue these fights, but look for new ones. To be part of new topics that you care about. Let me know what some of those topics are. Give us a call. Or put them in the comments also. If you're watching on YouTube or Rumble or however you're watching the show right now. Go to ACLJ.org. And hey, if you're watching right now and you're like, why are you Logan? Why are you in sunglasses? These are prescription. And I got to go find my regular glasses. But right before the show, this is what happened. So you can explain that to your friends. I'm not going to keep saying it for those who are just listening. So, you know, tell that when people say Logan Wisey and sunglasses, because I'd be blind. All right, we'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. Restating the facts here that the Justice Department has fired. That's right. Another call me. Another call me? Don't play that, Will. That's right. This is... maureen comey this is uh again we don't even know why she got fired she was a prosecutor specifically on the epstein case and specifically on the diddy case so you could say maybe she didn't do a good enough job uh of what happened with the diddy trial and everything that went down but we don't know the facts we just know that this is another one of those kind of suspicious moments and another moment that keeps this story our number one story And again, it's not something I want to talk about each and every day. It's Jeffrey Epstein. I don't. Or James Comey or any member of the Comey family. But somehow, someway, they keep doing this. They keep getting their spot in the top of the pops. Well, top of the news, you got always a Comey and always an Epstein.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and when you look at this also, while we don't know a reason, we do know that there was some kind of maybe embarrassment, some egg on the government's face in the Diddy trial where the big charges they went for, the RICO, the conspiracy charges, they didn't get the conviction. Now, once again, she is a senior trial attorney in the prosecutor's office. I don't know if she was the lead attorney. prosecutor so i haven't done enough research into that case specifically whether or not you know you can blame her exclusively for that but it was her trial but then she was a part of the glaine maxwell case where they did get a conviction for 20 years for glaine maxwell obviously we know that jeffrey epstein his case never went to trial because he died while in the jail glad you left that open-ended thank you well i just said he died i didn't say how he died right but But those are kind of the facts. I don't know her other prosecution record, how many convictions she has, how good of an attorney she was. But the high profile ones, it is interesting that she was a part of many of these, especially now. You also take that and look and say, OK, a lot of times people that have that expertise are assigned to those types of cases.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm not here to besmirch anybody. She may be a very qualified attorney who is doing her best. Even if it's a Comey, that doesn't mean anything. Again, you shouldn't be judged by the fact that we don't care for your father, okay? We don't care for his seashell games. He's out there doing a shell game, Will, if you will.
SPEAKER 05 :
A shell game, yes, with very specific shell patterns and ways of looking at it.
SPEAKER 03 :
James Comey now works on Coney Island, you see, and he does a shell game where you can go and win some prizes if you can follow the ball.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, if you can pick the ball, you get a teddy bear. But in this case, his daughter's no longer employed with the DOJ. I had nothing else to say to that. Which one is my daughter underneath his shell? Is it Diddy?
SPEAKER 03 :
Is it Epstein? We don't know which one's underneath here.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now, this is also at the same time, we've learned this week, we had John Solomon on earlier this week about that grand conspiracy investigation that the FBI is doing and looking into... members of the DOJ, the FBI, the intel community that played a part in tipping the scales in favor of one party or candidate over the other. We know she's no longer working there, but this wasn't necessarily criminal charges filed against her or any allegation that she did, anything like that. So it is one of those things, too, that you talked about yesterday, Logan, where you said this is something that maybe could go away. But the administration keeps doing things to bring it right back up to the top.
SPEAKER 03 :
She did a great job. Let's say she did a mediocre job. Either way, do you want another Epstein story in the news this week? Can you not have moved her to something else? Like, is there not another job for her? You know, we couldn't have found her something else to do while we let the Epstein situation quiet down a bit. Instead, you have to fire the lead prosecutor, who, by the way, also happens to be James Comey, another prominent figure's daughter, who also happens to be leading the Diddy trials. I mean, this doesn't all check out and sound great. Again, more what feels like unenforced errors. Now coming up in the next segment, we're not going to talk about unenforced errors. We're going to talk about some big, big moves from the ACLJ. Things have been going really well. on our fight for life. And look, there are times where it can feel like that specific topic becomes a lost cause, especially when you had Roe versus Wade overturned. A lot of people kind of shut off the pro-life commentary and thought, okay, well, it's over now. We know that's not true. It went back to the states and a lot of the states, even the ones that are more conservative leaning, voted for pretty radical pro-abortion laws. It's unfortunate, but that's where we were. There was a lot of planning that did not get done. There was a lot of mistakes that were made, and now we're trying to help clean that up. One of which was the Army targeting specifically in one of their PowerPoint presentations, if you will, saying, hey, look out for terrorist organizations. Here's some you need to watch out for. The National Right to Life. operation rescue people with that uh pro-life choose life uh bumper sticker or a license plate and we weren't going to have that and we've been fighting for it for years we finally have some pretty big responses from some high-level people you're not going to miss that cc howell's going to be joining us in the next segment and then later on we are going to be discussing even what's going on in new york a bit uh with rick grinnell as we know that it has been another time where we have seen in new york meaning the mayoral race uh that is heating up as you see mandami uh going at it and trying to kind of clean up some of his errors from before as well as uh andrew cuomo saying hey i'm back i'm gonna be running as a third party independent and does this split the vote what does it mean and do we care really who the mayor of new york is i would say yes Because New York, obviously, as they say, is the capital of the world. So much business is done in New York. So much is happening in New York. New York has sadly taken a pretty turn. I saw yesterday that King's College had to officially close up shop in New York. That's a sad day. uh a legendary institution that had been there and one of the few conservative institutions christian institutions that have been there nearly a hundred years uh if not more uh at that point so look we gotta always keep our eye on what's happening here uh phone lines are open for you at one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten let's take a quick call let's go to gene in north carolina watching by the way on the salem news channel which you can watch each and every day from noon to 1 p.m. Eastern time, and we're live on Salem News Channel. You can get it for free on their app, or you can find it on Pluto, Samsung Plus, a lot of places you get what's called fast television, free TV. It's there. Gene, go ahead.
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So I believe this information has to come out, and people have to follow the money. We can talk about conspiracy theories all day long. It costs a lot of money to run an island, a lot. If it's in international waters, you got security concerns, medical issues, food delivery, a lot of money. Where did the money come from?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I mean, Gene, that's actually been one of the big questions all along is how did he even make his money? We refer to him.
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No man is an island.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. That's about a boy. That's in that as well. Yes, but it's true.
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Right. Because not one person can be running an island. Right. That's what I think the metaphor was.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh.
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There's a lot of people around.
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Specifically, that metaphor is about Epstein Island.
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They were planting the Jeffrey Epstein. Got it.
SPEAKER 05 :
But Gene, that's been a big question the entire time when he was even charges were brought against him that he's this billionaire. But where did all that money come from? And that's where a lot of the rabbit trails about, you know, intelligence agencies and things of that nature come out of is just the fact of where did he make all this money? Because it wasn't it wasn't publicly reported. There wasn't all these reports. He was a financier, but it wasn't like he was running a hedge fund. So, I mean, that's That is a big question.
SPEAKER 03 :
There are big questions that have never been answered about Jeffrey Epstein. It's whether they are relevant to today's story.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and that's where now there's calls from some members of Congress and even President Trump with our friend John Solomon on Just the News gave a little bit of a head nod saying maybe we do need a special prosecutor on this case to really look down and see what's going on. Because also when you think about the prosecution, if they're building a case against Jeffrey Epstein, which he was in jail, he was headed for trial for his crimes, his abuse of minors, that is what the focus of the investigation would have been, evidence against him. So if the prosecution, people like Maureen Comey, are only focused on their target, then they could have blinders on, not looking for outside things, all that stuff. So if you are wanting to get to the bottom of it and get answers, someone like a special prosecutor that would have a broad scope, able to go and look at a lot of different things, that would be a better way to do it. Although we kind of aren't big fans of special prosecutors around here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, there's two things happening. there's speculation being fueled by you right now in the chat. I see so many comments coming in. Some aren't great. Some are people who have a lot of conspiracy theories. Some people are wondering why I'm wearing sunglasses. Those are the two reasons, the two main things that are coming in. Those are both conspiracy theories. They're both mysteries. A lot of people said I look like Joe Cool, which I thought that's a reference. Snoopy? I think Snoopy's alter ego. Right. So, you know, I'm okay with that. I'm a big Schultz man myself. Schultz.
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There's some other people that want you to wear a hat tomorrow.
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Pork pie?
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People are adding to your wardrobe as we go. And all you wanted to do was be able to see on air today.
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Yeah, because these are prescription. Because if I took my glasses off, one eye would go that way, and I wouldn't be able to read the screens in front of me. 1-800-684-3110 to have your voice heard today. And look, these are big days. I know we're having some fun here, but we're talking about this news. Look, did I want to be talking about Jeffrey Epstein every day? No, I do not. But some reason... The FBI can't help but make it the number one story of the day. Okay, I would much rather have something else to talk about. And we're going to talk about that coming up because the ACLJ did have some big movements. Sometimes we got to stop and actually talk about the work we do here because it's so important. CeCe Howell is going to be joining us, senior attorney here at the ACLJ. I know a lot of you tune in because you make this your daily watch because you want to know what's going on in the world. And then you know what? 1 p.m. Eastern when we're done being live or whenever you listen to the show later on, You click it off and go, you know what? No more news for me today. No more media for me today. I got everything I needed from Logan, Will, and the team at Sekulo. And we can't do that without you. And I've said this before. I'll say it again. Those ads you hear on your local station or wherever it may be, those don't go to us. That goes to them. We are supported specifically by you, the ACLJ champion and the ACLJ donor. And right now, donations are doubled and matched. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. CeCe Heil, senior attorney here at the ACLJ is joining us. And I always want to keep you updated on what's going on in the world of the ACLJ because there's some big movements happening right now, especially for our fight for life. This is one that is never super fun to talk about on air. OK, let's just be honest. We know that you got kids listening sometimes in summertime and to talk about the real fight for life. can be a little graphic, a little heady. That's not what this is, so don't worry. If you're listening to your kids, this is a different one, because what we're talking about here is specific organizations that are being targeted by the Army, and the Army was saying specifically when they were doing these presentations to their members, and we have a lot more information about that, we can go through to kind of give you a backstory, they were saying, hey, Look out for these groups. And they were labeled terrorist organizations. And we're talking about ones that we've worked with for decades, whether that's Operation Rescue, National Right to Life, whether you're simply one of the families like Will's. I always go to your parents. I appreciate it. Because when I think of your mom, terrorist doesn't pop up.
SPEAKER 05 :
The furthest thing from your mind is terrorist.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's a terrorist. Right. I mean, really. I mean, I can think of a lot of things. I mean, she's hardcore. Like, I wouldn't want to mess with her. Right. But I don't think she's a terrorist. Exactly. She's just a pastor's wife. You don't mess with the pastor's wife. But she's got, you know, that plate and did with Lisa. And like I wear, my kids go to school. I see them all the time. Right. You see the choose life. And I don't think a lot of times, oh, these are, I got to make sure I'm keeping an eye on these people. These are usually the sweetest, kindest people. These are the volunteers of America a lot of times. So Cece, we said, look, this is too far. It's gone too far. It's been a couple of years as we've been going back and forth and we got some big movement, but I know you can give some backstory.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'll give some backstory. And it's interesting because it was actually July 10th that one of the soldiers posted on X that, a copy of the slide and I think we July 10th of 2024 and we were actually I think it was the three of us in this studio that day that said hey this just got posted we want to talk about it it's not been verified but we're not we wouldn't be shocked if it were true but then of course it came out to be true so that was July 24th or July 10th of 2024 We immediately sent off a letter to the Biden administration, to the Secretary of the Army under the Biden administration, saying, look, you cannot paint our client, Operation Rescue, a pro-life organization, and all these other pro-life people as terrorists. You cannot do that. And the response we got from the Biden administration... Yeah, less than... less than what you want it wasn't nothing and not truthful a little bit misleading of course and you know they were saying oh this was just a mistake it was just a mistake in it and a slide that just got implemented and when we found out more about that it was not through foia it was not a mistake and they had actually been doing this since 2011. Oh, wow. This wasn't just, oh, we just did it. It was just implemented.
SPEAKER 03 :
Just 13 years.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was just a mistake. No, this had been going on for a long time, and we found all of that out through our FOIA.
SPEAKER 03 :
Freedom of Information Act request. That's correct. For people who don't know, I try to always break those things down. You can submit to the government and say we need more information because this is... Yours as much as theirs, because we are a free society. So you requested and said, hey, we need more information. A lot of times that takes a while. A lot of times it comes back very censored.
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It does.
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And it did.
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But we figured it out. Even through the censoring, we figured it out.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you again have an administration that's maybe a little bit more on your side here. And that's what we found out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, that's right. And so we didn't we didn't like what the Biden administration said. We didn't think that it had corrected and asked for what we were asking for, that they corrected this training, that they apologized to our client and that they fixed it and they made sure that it was not going to do so going forward. Again, the response was basically, oh, it's just a mistake. And so we sent off another letter. to the secretary of the army and secretary of defense now under the trump administration and will i'll let you address that we actually got a response back from them and and this was very recent yes uh we just got this letter the date on the letter is july 16th so yesterday so that is when it was written yeah our team just got it yeah and they just broke it on fox news as well uh we were able to work with our friends over at fox to make sure
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uh our team and our publicist our great team was able to get this word out there because it's a big moment and i want to read this for folks i mean it may take a little bit longer than normal but it's important because this is from the secretary of the army and this is the response so secretary of the army right uh that may not even be a position you think about but that's a big deal it's not responding on behalf
SPEAKER 06 :
Not only the Secretary of the Army, but also the Secretary of Defense.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 06 :
He makes that clear. He's responding on behalf of both of them.
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And this is addressed to Jordan Sekulow, Benjamin Sisney, and Christy Compagnone, three of our attorneys. Obviously, you've seen Christy and been on here as well as Jordan. But dear Mr. Sekulow, Mr. Sisney, and Ms. Compagnone, thank you for your April 24th, 2025 letter to the Secretary of Defense and to me regarding your client, Operation Rescue. I am responding for both of us. So, key point there. I was troubled to learn that an army anti-terrorism and protection training conducted at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, had mischaracterized Operation Rescue, National Right to Life, and other pro-life groups as terrorist organizations. This mischaracterization was not only inaccurate... but also deeply inappropriate. Equally concerning was the previous administration's inadequate response to this serious incident. Its failure to provide full transparency or take responsibility for such a grievous error is wholly unacceptable. Let me be clear, the Army does not consider Operation Rescue, National Right to Life, and other pro-life groups to be terrorist organizations. Further, the Army does not view pro-life beliefs or state-issued pro-life license plates as indicators of terrorism. Additionally, the Army has reviewed all security mission training materials, including anti-terrorism and protection training across all Army commands, service component commands, and direct reporting units to ensure these trainings are factually accurate, comply with the law, and align with Army values. While I cannot undo the harm this training caused, I want to offer my sincerest apology to Operation Rescue, National Right to Life and all pro-life groups negatively impacted by the false characterization of all pro-life organizations made by this training. Please be assured that I am firmly committed to rigorous oversight of all Army training materials to prevent such incidents from occurring in the future. Sincerely, Dan Driscoll, Secretary of the Army. That is a powerful letter.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is very powerful. Cece, I guess the main question coming out of this when you read it, obviously this is somebody who's taking it very seriously. We want to make sure they do what they say they're going to do, though, as well. The ACLJ team, as much as we want to look at this and go, okay, kind of case closed, we also have to make sure that it's stuck to and actually happens. Because these organizations are so big, like the Army or whoever it is, like you said, that this could float around for 12 or 13 years before somebody said, this has gone too far.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. I think probably we'll send maybe another FOIA following up to say, OK, let's see that where this implementation, where you have implemented this. Let's see that you have sent out a letter across, you know, your army commands making sure. Now he says it and I. going to trust that he's done that and going to do that but we will follow up and make sure that it does happen because it was very egregious it wormed its way in and it had been there like we found from our FOIA request since 2011 so we're going to make sure that it's out and it's really out
SPEAKER 03 :
Phone lines are open for you. We have a second half hour coming up. And look, I think this is very important. As we talk about all different kinds of topics here in the news, what's going on, you know your ACLJ team is out there fighting for you and fighting for your beliefs, whether that's in the courtroom, whether that's situations like this in the Army, or whether it could be any sort of things, but also in the media. We're here. We're creating new content for you each and every day, a brand new show that you can watch. A lot of you watch, I know, for your news here. I know a lot of you watch for your media here. And you know what we do it? We do it without a paywall. We're on a bunch of outlets. We try to get to be as available as possible. So whether you're on terrestrial radio, Sirius XM, YouTube, Rumble, ACLJ.org, the Salem News Channel, which by the way, now Salem News Channel, if you have Xfinity or one of those things, you can just talk into it. It's a Salem News Channel. The app will open. A lot of those... are just now getting launched great programming over there on that channel but again to do that all of the support all the financial backing comes from you it doesn't come from big sponsors doesn't even come that for the most part from major donors it comes from you and we got a second half hour coming up this is a great time when we have a one minute break here because we still got to do the station ids on terrestrial radio to make your donation we'll be right back keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever this is seculo
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And now your host, Logan Secular.
SPEAKER 03 :
Coming up, we actually have an update that came in from our top topic. That, of course, is that the Justice Department has let go of Maureen Comey. That's right, James Comey's daughter and prosecutor for the Epstein trial, as well as the Diddy trials. Someone who is clearly fairly high up in the DOJ. But also, that means Pam Bondi's DOJ said, you know what, enough we don't know specifically why or what happened here. But we now have a statement, a comment that comes directly from Maureen Comey that went out to her team today, I assume, when they said, hey, she probably sent an email out saying I'm no longer working. And, well, she didn't pull any punches. That's right.
SPEAKER 05 :
This was being reported by Politico. It was a note to her former colleagues that she sent today. And it says, we have entered a new phase where, quote, without fear may be the challenge. And that's referring to the without fear or favor motto. And then she says, if a career prosecutor can be fired without reason, fear may seep into the decisions of those who remain. Do not let that happen. Fear is the tool of a tyrant, wielded to suppress independent thought. Instead of fear, let this moment fuel the fire that already burns at the heart of this place, a fire of righteous indignation at abuses of power, of commitment to seek justice for victims, of dedicated to truth above all else. And then she also confirmed, Politico says... that she was not provided a reason for her termination, but it was conveyed to her by a memo from the Justice Department.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is really interesting to me, Logan. She then gave the speech from Independence Day. Bill Pullman was out there saying, you know, We will not go quietly.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I personally, when I first was hearing this story last night was, you know, okay, I don't know her prosecution record. I just know her last name. I know a lot of people in our, you know, kind of media sphere have been talking about her, but I didn't really have a decision. But this line that she wrote to her colleagues, fear is a tool of a tyrant wielding suppressed independent thought. We speak truth to power, a fire of righteous indignation. It says it all. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, we started this show and we said, okay, you know what? You don't blame Maureen Comey for being a Comey. That's not something. That's not cool. You can't do that. You know, she could be great at her job, could not have anything to do with James Comey. What's clear is the apple don't fall too far from the tree, Logan. It was hard for you to say it, too. I did.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, because you already implanted there in my brain.
SPEAKER 03 :
The apple seed.
SPEAKER 05 :
Johnny Apple Seed. Johnny Apple Seed.
SPEAKER 03 :
He created gravity. That's what I've heard. Yeah. 1-800-684-7000. 31 10 but this is kind of an interesting moment because now you have these you know vibrato statements these big statements saying oh it sounds like something out of braveheart uh and i don't care for that you know what go quietly into the night that's what i want And I say, you know what? Just enjoy you had a job for the time you had. You couldn't convict Diddy. You went too far. Clearly, there's some Epstein problems. Like I said, though, I wish this wasn't the topic of the day. It was either that or talking about Coca-Cola, Will. Which, by the way, big excited about that. Big excited.
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Big excited.
SPEAKER 03 :
Will's big excited about Coca-Cola saying, you know what? uh no more they said high fructose corn syrup is fine but they said we're gonna go to natural sugars that's right president trump put that on on truth and you know it used to be you'd go to the grocery store and you get the glass bottles mexican mexican coke yeah now he's making american coke great again gulf of gulf of american coke right uh yeah i'm fine with that it's fine You only can have a Coke heavy every so often, but when you do, what a treat. What a treat it is. All right. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. I want to hear from you. We do have a few lines open for you right now at a second half hour. Coming up next, Rick Grinnell is going to be joining us. We're going to continue talking a little bit about this as well as the New York race for mayor. Why it's important to pay attention to, by the way, who the mayor of New York is. By the way, I don't think I can name my mayor. But I can name the mayor of New York and probably can name you the last 10 because of how important it is. Why'd you smirk at me? I was trying to think. No, I was smirking. Could I name my mayor? I can think of the Nashville mayor. Right. But like my little town suburb mayor, I'd like to know him. Maybe I could be him. I can name the mayor of Laverne. But he's a personal friend. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. Rick Grinnell's joining us right now. Rick, I know you're seeing me in the sunglasses. Just disregard. Okay, you know, things happen, okay? Your prescription. But let's move on to the topic of the day. I try to not spend too much time on this. But I see all the sunglasses emojis. I understand, okay? But look. Things happen. Rick, I wanted to talk to you about the fact that the New York mayoral candidacy and election is heating up. It is something that has become a national story. And there have been some discussions and I've seen the comments saying, why do we care about this? And then I sort of reminded our audience, hey, I don't necessarily even know that I can name the last five or maybe the current mayor in my suburban town outside of Nashville. But I can tell you the last probably five mayors of New York because of New York's global impact. So when you have some of these candidates that are now making their rounds, of course, like Mamdani, making the rounds in Washington, D.C. to court for more money, to court for support, at least we need to be paying attention to what happens in this race.
SPEAKER 01 :
first of all if you would have told me that i could wear sunglasses just to look as cool as you right now i would be wearing sunglasses you look like comfortably comfortably smug you know that guy that's a lot of people are saying you know i look california smug as they say now looking good looking good um look i i think that what's happening with mamdani is spilling over into the rest of america right now And it's spilling over in a very fast way. I just saw today and was trying to go public with the fact that in my home state of California now, we've got Congressman Ro Khanna, who represents Silicon Valley, has endorsed Mumbani. Now you think about this. The representative, the political representative of Silicon Valley, the most creative part of America, the entrepreneurial spirit in America is represented by somebody who just endorsed a communist, someone who cannot embrace capitalism. He's said, I'm not a fan of capitalism. I don't understand what's happening across America and specifically in Silicon Valley when Silicon Valley sends a congressman to Washington, DC, and that congressman is working against capitalism, working for communism, I think they just jumped the shark in Silicon Valley with their representative. This is a red alert. This is something that should not be happening. And I think across America, if your congressman, if your senator, if your mayor is somehow flirting with Mamdani, a person who has been very clear about who he is, to lead the largest city in America, this is a crisis for America. This is like that moment when the Democrats came forward and said, we've got this great idea, we're gonna call it sanctuary cities, and we're gonna protect people when they break federal law. conservatives republicans people who are full of common sense should have been screaming immediately when they came up with this concept of sanctuary cities well now the red alert is about the largest city in america cannot be led by somebody who flirts with communism who says that communism is a better way who can't defend capitalism this is america people you got to get loud and you've got to put pressure on your local politicians who are saying nice things about this guy
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and Rick, to that point as well, when you think of the political concept, the Overton window, you know, what's the realm of what's okay to say within politics? And that's kind of how even politicians gauge what issues they can take if something's on the line, if it's going to be okay. But when you start seeing almost, you know, signal flares or red flags like this mayoral candidate that is very likely to going to be the next mayor of New York unless something completely remarkable happens. We've seen Cuomo and some of these other independents thinking they have a chance in running. He's almost like that smoke signal going up of saying, okay, can we shift the Overton window? further to the left. So this realm of possibilities of what we're allowed to even talk about, you become numb to it. And people on the right, the things that someone like this mayoral candidate is saying should be shocking to the core. But I feel like for many of us, We're hearing it and are almost numb to it of like, that's the left these days. And I think that almost is one of the more dangerous angles of it. Not just that he could be the mayor of New York, but that what he's openly championing and what these elected members of Congress are fine associating with is becoming either commonplace on the left or just kind of old news on the right as we hear it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I think this is my, you said it better, but this is my point on your local politician endorsing this guy, is that Democrats now have to answer for why they're allowing this guy to run and win, possibly win, in New York City, the largest city in America. Democrats are gonna have to answer the question, this guy's in their party. He's a radical pro-communist, anti-capitalist, and and this is this is a red flag and good democrats common sense democrats need to be feeling the pressure from the media and from others to answer why they're allowing this to happen i think this is a really dangerous moment and we all need to unite to to defeat this
SPEAKER 05 :
Rick, I try not to ask you about Gavin Newsom every time that you're on here, but he's just making it so hard not to talk about him. But I see these as parallel stories because while you have the mayoral candidate in New York who's running and openly saying these ideas, you have someone like Gavin Newsom who is going on conservative podcasts like the Sean Ryan Show and trying to talk, going to South Carolina, coming to Nashville. trying to talk to an audience that are conservative, that maybe are more centrist. And he's trying to make himself seem like this rational guy talking about on Mother's Day going skeet shooting. He's not anti-gun. Things of this nature, trying to make himself an attractive candidate, obviously, for the next presidential election cycle. And you hear ideas like what's coming out of New York with private property rights. And Gavin Newsom tries to be like, no, no, no, I believe in these things. I believe in capitalism. I'm just a normal Democrat. But you also see that he lied to the people of California about the fire areas where the destroyed property, he said, would not be redeveloped into low income housing. And now they're doing just that thing with a new proposal in California that which would kind of upset the order of how those areas even were.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, look, there's a lot of competition between the East Coast and the West Coast, whether it's music or sports. And now Gavin Newsom has a little run for his money with Mamdani. Gavin Newsom is the West Coast Mamdani. He is somebody who's tried to do exactly what Mamdani is doing in many ways. He's the godfather of sanctuary cities. He's the godfather of woke. He's the godfather of shutting down our beaches. And I think what Californians have realized is that we can't have this. I mean, they've reached their limit. We've gone over the cliff. And so what I would say is that while you see California rising up and really rejecting Gavin Newsom, Gavin Newsom feels the pressure and he's leaving California to now go run for president. He's going to try to do the same con job that he did to Californians early on. He's going to try to do that to swing state voters. And I just don't see swing state voters going for Gavin Newsom. I hope he runs because I think he gets defeated. But something else I would be remiss if I didn't bring up that's happening in California. Thanks to State Rep. State Assemblyman Carl DeMaio, We now have voter ID in California on the ballot. Well, I should say back up, not quite on the ballot. We are seeking signatures to get it on the ballot. But I got to believe that it's going to be on the ballot because people are so excited about this. But if you're from California, you need to immediately sign and get your friends to sign to put this on the ballot for voter ID. And that would be remarkable because it would win in California. We could switch the state of California into requiring IDs in order to vote something that 70 to 80% of the people believe in, but it's not enacted in California, but we're gonna do it. And so I would push people to go sign this petition so that we can get this on the ballot and really change the way we do elections because you would have to have a voter ID, approved government ID in order to vote. And that would be groundbreaking for California.
SPEAKER 05 :
wouldn't have any problem with that in California, clearly. So yeah, I think it's going to win. Nice and easy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Look, I mean, we have all the media up in our offices and right now even Fox is talking about sort of the homeless crisis that is happening still in LA. We only have a minute left here. But when you have reports that 70,000 people in the LA area are homeless, you would think that the people would go, okay, we have gone too far here. And I'm hopeful for you and for your state that they can see through it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I hope so, too. I mean, we're giving billions of dollars to illegal immigrants for health care. We're attracting illegal immigrants. We're attracting the country's homeless population because we're just giving out benefits and allowing them to camp out on people's stoop. It's chaos. And Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass are responsible.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you, Rick, for joining us. We always appreciate it. Look, phone lines are open for you. We try to take as many calls as we can. We got a few lines open at 1-800-684-3110. So if you're watching on social media or YouTube or Rumble, give us a call. It's always great to hear from you as well on any of the topics that we discussed today or all week. And of course, you can support the work of the ACLJ during our 35-year drive right now. All donations are doubled. back to secular we do want to hear from you and look we got i mean honestly we have three or four lines open right now some phone lines are ringing but we'll get through them 1-800-684-3110 i want to jump first to an aclj champion who's been on hold for a little while but again if you're an aclj champion you get bumped to the front of the line but right now you're also the one who's been holding the longest because we haven't taken any calls today uh let's go to linda in new york online too linda you're on the air hi there thank you for taking my call love what you do and i love your unbiased reporting
SPEAKER 08 :
on everything that's going on. The reason I am calling is because I do believe that there may not have been a formal list. I think in today's day and age, everybody knows that list can be unearthed, and I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein had these parties and knew the other pedophiles or the pedophiles in the party knew he had it, and if it was just more of a nod to go upstairs or whatever else. But what I am confused about... What I am confused about is why Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested, like where the evidence was for that, because I thought her role in this was to find girls. So I just need a little clarification.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's not great either. But Linda, we'll discuss that second part, the Ghislaine part here coming up. Will, I know, has a lot more information on that. In terms of the list, I don't necessarily disagree with you. These are people that were running at such a high level. They understand security, privacy, all of that definitely existed. Now, does that mean a list could not be compiled? And you could not find the evidence of who was there, what they were doing, all of those things. I don't necessarily believe that. But when you're talking about, was there like a black book, a traditional, what you think of as a list? No. And I think that's too simplistic, but it's how sometimes the American people want to believe things are. It's like the JFK files. You wanted the JFK files to be released. But then when they were released, you were like, this is not what we're looking for. We were looking for a one paragraph that said, here's who actually did it. That doesn't exist. Because that's not the way our government runs. If anything you know, it's extreme paperwork. But Will, in terms of the reasons that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine are in prison, or were in prison, obviously he is dead, but that is because of things, the laws that were broken. That's right. And we're not going to... And your sentence isn't crazy, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
It's 20 years. 20 years. We're not going to get into, obviously, the details of it. But, I mean, he had a sweetheart deal that was caught with prosecutors in Florida, you know, 20 years ago. And that, in and of itself, was based off crimes. Because, once again, we won't get into details, but he was committing crimes himself against minors. And... She was convicted with trafficking charges of transporting and trafficking minors. So she committed crimes. Now they were targeted at her for procuring and enabling and facilitating crimes that he would commit. So she broke crimes and was prosecuted and found guilty and is serving time for that. So that is not in question at all.
SPEAKER 03 :
I want to jump to another call. Linda, thank you for calling in. Thank you for being a champion. Know how much that means to us. We have a call coming in. Looks okay to hear from people who disagree with us or on the other side. Let's go to Susan in Florida who is watching on Facebook. Go ahead, Susan.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hi, yes. My comment is that I guess I strongly disagree with the... the conclusions you guys are coming up with, I feel that Epstein was just part of a huger problem, and I don't know if that's deep state or not, but when you get rid of one mafia person, it's not like another mafia person isn't going to fill those shoes. There's going to be more victims, and I really lost respect for Trump, and I'm getting a lot of slack online for it here, based on, you know, that doesn't mean I don't agree, and I want things done on the border and things like that, but This is a huge problem. There were promises made not only by Vance and Trump and Bongino that we were going to get to the bottom of this. There are real victims, young girls being victimized. And if we don't stand up for them, nobody will.
SPEAKER 03 :
I want to make things very, very clear, Susan, is that I don't feel like we are covering or making excuses for anyone in that sense. I think this was a huge blunder. I think... What they ran on, you are 100% right. They ran on this being fully disclosed and for us to find out the information to then pretend that it doesn't happen or it doesn't exist or to run on it and then find out it doesn't exist. You need to do a much better job in your rollout as the Department of Justice and as the FBI and as the President of the United States. In doing so, because you have lost a lot of trust from a lot of people.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think here's the other angle on this too as well, Susan. President Trump told Just the News with John Solomon, who we had on the broadcast earlier this week, that he's open to a special prosecutor or special counsel to investigate all this. That would have a much broader mandate. to look into other people because it wouldn't just be trying to get a conviction against Jeffrey Epstein or against Ghislaine Maxwell. So if that were to happen, then they would have a budget. They would be able to chase down leads and see if there is a broader conspiracy to uncover. Here's the big question, though, for the listeners and for everyone. If a special counsel is appointed and doesn't find what you think is there, Will you accept that? Is there any realm of even just a little bit more? Or other people found out that it was a little bit broader, but you can never find because there isn't evidence of or the evidence is destroyed of this broader conspiracy with other named high profile individuals. Would that be sufficient? And that's, I think, one of the bigger problems and maybe why there is frustration from President Trump. If the FBI didn't have that because that's not what they were prosecuting or it was deleted or whatever reason, and so he can't release something they don't have, what would it take to get you to either accept what is the endgame unless it is 100% true this is a list and you have it and these people are prosecuted if it doesn't exist in that way.
SPEAKER 03 :
We only got a couple minutes. I want to try to get to the other calls. Let's go to Anne in Pennsylvania real quick. Anne, you're on the air also on Facebook.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you. Love you guys so much. Yeah, I don't blame Trump. I just think he's being misguided. I think that there are certain people speaking in his ears, not saying the right things. There's absolutely a list. We told there was a list for years. This is why he was actually set to go to trial, Epstein. He was indicted. And this is why that what's-her-name is in prison, because there is a list. Now, the victims are the what matters.
SPEAKER 03 :
There's more to the picture than there is. I am only cutting you off because we have two minutes left and I want to try to get to the other call. Let's take Kathy's call and then maybe we can try to wrap up with your comments here. Kathy, Kentucky, go ahead. Last call of the day.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hello. I'm just wondering about the constitutionality of a lot of things that have happened during the Biden administration. I'm wondering about the constitutionality of the mayoral candidate for running as a communist.
SPEAKER 03 :
We only got a minute left here. Look, I mean, there's a lot of issues that came up during the Biden administration. We're not just going to go and take them. That's what happened today, even with the army. We know that the issues are going on and we know that they did not give us a sufficient response. And now we have what I feel like is a very sufficient response from the secretary of the army in support of pro-life groups and really deeply apologizing. Of course, we're going to stay on that. We're going to make sure that's not the end of the case. We'll make sure that's not the last they hear from us because we will make sure they actually do apologize what they say they're going to do. But thankfully, you have a new administration in charge. Will they take down a lot of what's been going on in the Biden administration? What happened? I think we're seeing that already. We've seen a lot of growth in there. Do I think certain things? We have to keep our attention on the right things, of course. But look, I appreciate everyone who called in. I appreciate everyone who called in and became an ACLJ champion today. I appreciate everyone that called in who even commented on our sunglasses. It's okay. You know what, Will decided to troll me here at the end, but that's all right. These are actually Bobo Hogan sunglasses for everyone out there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Our favorite clown, Bobo Hogan, he let me borrow them for the segment.
SPEAKER 03 :
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