The episode highlights a monumental day in U.S. policy and governance as Supreme Court arguments take center stage. We examine the role of judiciary power in shaping national directives and discuss how the outcome might reshape the landscape of birthright citizenship. With expert commentary and listener interactions, this episode captures the essence of current American legal and political struggles, asserting the need for effective governance amidst a backdrop of divisive issues.
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He's the happy conservative warrior. Mike Gallagher. Broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide. And seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here's Mike.
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Some really, really big things are happening. There's some really important things that are unfolding before our eyes. President Trump today is at the United Arab Emirates. Huge, huge visit. First time in 30 years that an American president has visited the UAE. The world is starting to take notice that this is a guy who's getting stuff done. Axios this morning has a big article about Biden administration officials, on the record, giving Trump a whole bunch of credit. Reluctantly... But they're giving him credit. They're saying, wow, this guy's bold. This guy is moving at a lightning speed. One administration official from the Biden era said, I wish I could have worked for a president who works like this. This is unbelievable. That's coming from, you know, ostensibly. the loyal opposition to everything Donald Trump represents. Today, the Supreme Court is going to hear a massive, massive case that affects millions and millions of Americans, birthright citizenship. Trump has pledged to end it, and this is going to be argued now before the U.S. Supreme Court. The court is going to hear arguments today about whether lower court judges can block presidential orders for the entire country. And it feels like the court, at least with a couple of the judges, have had enough of some lower court judge coming along and dictating policy for the entire United States. Here's what Laura Ingraham said last night on Fox News about Supreme Court justices getting a little fed up with some of these lower court judges' judicial tyranny.
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Justice Thomas and Gorsuch have both had language in their previous opinions which indicate their great concern about these nationwide injunctions. Justice Thomas, universal injunctions are legally and historically dubious. Then common practice of trial courts ordering relief that transcends the cases before them. That's Justice Gorsuch. It looks like those two have had about enough of these nationwide injunctions. But the real question is, I guess, Kavanaugh, although he's kind of an executive branch guy. Amy Coney Barrett and who else might be the chief?
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Yeah. Yeah. And the chief. Look, there's always some uncertainty as you approach a Supreme Court argument. I do think, though, we can probably count to five, possibly. Six.
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Possibly even higher. Possibly Kagan.
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Yes, because this is not distinctively political, Laura. This is a constitutional issue. If we look at this from the standpoint of what Article 3 of the Constitution, which outlines the authority of the courts, what it does, it gives the courts the power to decide cases and controversies based on the meaning of the law, not to relitigate policy determinations. That's the problem we have here. That's the problem I hope and expect to see the Supreme Court resolve in the case being argued tomorrow.
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And it also reminds us that the Trump administration needs to get a lot of judges confirmed. A hundred percent. And McConnell was good at that. So they got to move on that.
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Senator Mike Lee with Laura Ingraham last night on Fox News. Look, the question is pretty simple here. We know that Trump moved to end birthright citizenship within hours of returning to the White House. He signed an order that said children who are born in the U.S. to illegals are not citizens. And that's what's at stake here before the Supreme Court. I'll just ask you the question. Do you think children born on American soil to illegal immigrants get to claim birthright citizenship? Yes or no? And be objective about this. Take the politics out of it. I mean, Mike Lee is right. This shouldn't be political. This shouldn't be Democrats or Republicans. Lower court judges don't get to determine policy for the country. Sorry. It's all the left has right now. The Trump opposition only has judges in Washington State or the District of Columbia, you know, leftist judges to block the Trump agenda. They think that's their guardrail. That's their backstop. That's their firewall. So, first of all, that's got to stop. Second of all, it's preposterous that this industry of pregnant women from other countries, and it's becoming an industry from China to Mexico and points beyond. Come to the United States, have a baby, and you're in. It's got to stop. Do you agree with me? Let's find out. 800-655-MIKE. As we welcome you into a Thursday, we're in the Relief Factor studios. 800-655-6453. Call or text. Give me your honest assessment of birthright citizenship. I mean, look, I can't even believe it's a close call. Who argues that you should get to come into the United States, have a baby, and then plant yourself here because your child is now an American citizen? All we've been hearing about with these mass deportations... are the screeches from the left saying, oh, American citizens are being kicked out of the country. That's because toddlers and little babies and children of illegals are going with their families back to the country they came from. And the left doesn't like that. So let's just go to the real fundamentals of this. I've got a fundamental question for you. Are you okay with illegals entering this country illegally, having a baby, and then getting to claim birthright citizenship for that child? It's obscene. It's unbelievable that we were even at this point. But maybe you see it differently. I want to find out. Let's put your voice front and center here on the Mike Gallagher Show. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. We'll take your calls, read your texts, and we'll dive into this big time here on our Thursday episode. I want to remind you, though, about getting the best night's sleep of your life. I noticed earlier in the week I wasn't sleeping very good. Different things going on and just a lot on my mind. And I started taking my Z-Factor. Now I'm sleeping like a baby again because Z-Factor works. Z-Factor was developed by Relief Factor so you already know the reputation, the credibility, the science behind it. It's more than melatonin. Z-Factor uses a combination of four natural ingredients to help relax your mind so you fall asleep quicker. Once you're asleep, it helps you stay asleep. Right now, You pay only $19.95 to get a 30-day supply. That's a 46% savings with Relief Factor. Great, great product. Call 800-4-Relief. 800-4-Relief. That's 1-800-4-Relief. Or just visit relieffactor.com. You're going to get better sleep without any drugs. That's right, all natural. This is a real solution for sleepless nights. Get your Z's from Z-Factor, from Relief Factor. 800-4-Relief. Or go to relieffactor.com. Let's show this great American company how much we have their back. MyPillow.com, promo code MikeG. Order pillows. These percale sheets are unbelievable. They're so smooth and silky and soft.
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Well, first of all, I just want to let you know, Mike, that you are my cup of tea. So I always love being with you and listening to you.
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And I'll bet I won't interrupt you. I won't even interrupt you. I mean, you know. You can run around me all the time. No, no, we just keep on doing this. That's right. We get excited. People are passionate. I know, I know. Listen. We're fighting for our country, Alfredo.
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You must be Hispanic. What's that? You must be Hispanic. You use your hands.
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You talk a lot. I do. I do. I love it. Look, I get excited because of all this winning, and we got a chance right now with this. We do. This is an incredible opportunity. When I was at your wonderful gala a couple weeks ago in Savannah, and kudos and congratulations. You guys pulled it off. It was a magnificent event.
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Thank you to you, by the way. You made some job emceeing at events. Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. It was my honor. But we talked about this exciting initiative, the Tax Cuts Now campaign. So let's talk about what's in the bill, and let's talk about how our audience and how Americans can get involved in this, because we've got a magnificent opportunity ahead of us, Alfredo.
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Yeah, well, the big two areas I want to focus on is what's in the bill for our small business owners. Major, major, major win here, Mike. We were able to get, if you remember, I've been talking about this pretty much since Donald Trump became president, about increasing the tax deduction for small business owners to 25%. The bill got 23%. I'll take that every single day and twice on Tuesday because that's a major, major win for our small businesses and immediate expensing. That's huge. We're back up to the 100%. It's not permanent. It's a five-year phase-out again. But look, that's major. We'll keep on fighting to make it permanent. But that was one of the biggest things that happened in the 2017 Tax and Jobs Act. That really was a huge infusion for our small business owners. Those two things right there are going to be huge, huge game changers for our small businesses. And then, of course, you know, across the board, we have no tax on tips. President Trump, again, you know, honoring his his his promise there on that one. And our seniors even got a huge break as well with some phase out on incomes, which I perfectly fine with. We got a doubling of the standard deduction. I mean, this truly is a major win for America. But we have these Republicans that, you know, hem and haw still. So we got to make sure we get the sink out of the House and over to the Senate. We got to do that ASAP. I'd love to see that done before Memorial Day and make sure that that's there. But now I heard this conversation about it might be until the end of July before the Senate gets it over to the president. No, we have to get this done by the 4th of July. We want that bill on the president's desk by the 4th of July for him to sign it. It's an independent state, not only for America. It's celebrating our independence, but independence for all these taxes, right? We've got to keep on reducing taxes. And that's why folks need to go to taxcutsnow.com and tell their congressman, we want tax cuts now.
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And we need you. We need you to go to taxcutsnow.com. You've got to get off the sidelines and let your voice be heard. And I want to make sure people understand, because when you go to that site, there'll be a letter facilitated, a contact to the members of Congress to demand that they make the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act permanent, Alfredo. What's the pushback? And I'm glad you mentioned this. Some of the folks on our side of the aisle, some Republicans, are dragging their feet. Alfredo, why?
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Mike, look, I hate to say this, but they love seeing their names in print and in TV and stuff like that. Enough of this, right? Let's go ahead and rally around the president. Let's do the right thing, right, both on the House side and the Senate side. I mean, look what he's done across the board already in just over 100 days. Amazing. This man doesn't sleep. I don't know. Does the Senate have something better to do than this? I mean, come on. I mean, let's go ahead and get this on the 4th of July.
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What is more important than this right now? Look, I have to tell you, Alfredo, of all the partnerships I've had over the years, and when I was in that ballroom in Savannah, Georgia a couple weeks ago with hundreds and hundreds of people, the event was sold out, and you're carrying the spirit and the legacy of the great Bernie Marcus. What Job Creators Network is doing is as important as any organization in America, and I just hope you let me take... Ten seconds to say to you how deeply grateful I am that you allow us to sing your praises and to tell the world about Job Creators Network. There is nothing as important as Main Street and protecting entrepreneurs, and nobody does this better than Job Creators Network. So thank you, Alfredo, for your confidence. and for your actions, because you guys, you're astounding. You're astounding. You're really, really absolutely the best. Everybody needs to support you.
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We love our small businesses. We love our small businesses.
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Well, guess what? Small business loves you, and keep it up. Thank you, Alfredo. Everybody needs to go to taxcutsnow.com. It'll be the most important thing you do today. It just takes a few seconds. And once again, Job Creators Network has made it easy, has made it efficient, because that's how they roll. Thanks, Alfredo Ortiz. You're the best. Keep fighting the good fight, my friend. TaxCutsNow.com. Let Congress hear from all of us. And Alfredo Ortiz, Elaine Parker, these folks are the best. And I'm just internally grateful to have them a big part of the Mike Gallagher Show. TaxCutsNow.com. It's a huge day today, and talk about winning. We've got a chance to end, finally, birthright citizenship. We'll get our newsman, Roger P. Shulman, to lay out exactly what's at stake and what the specific arguments are in front of the U.S. Supreme Court as we speak. Look at this nice note from Columbus, Ohio. Oh, Mike, as your Denise would say, you're a little, little man. I love you, and I love the show. You made my day, Columbus, Ohio. I know I'm not perfect. Thanks, Columbus. More coming up. Don't go away. Living with everyday pain is like having a voice that always says, no, no, you can't do that. You can't go there. You can't play your favorite sport. You better sit this one out. There's no way to live. If pain is affecting you, see how Relief Factor can help you get back to living life again on your terms. One where you say yes. a whole lot more, head over to relieffactor.com or give them a call at 800-4-RELIEF. Relief Factor is a daily supplement that fights pain naturally. Developed by a team of doctors and scientists, Relief Factor's unique formula of natural ingredients doesn't just mask pain, it helps reduce or eliminate it for good. Whether it's your back, neck, your joints, your muscles, Relief Factor can help you as it has for so many others. Give Relief Factor's three-week quick start a try. It's only $19.95, a low-cost way for you to sort of take it out for a test drive. Less than a dollar a day. Go to relieffactor.com, relieffactor.com, or call 800-4-RELIEF. That's 800, the number for relief. See how you can live with less pain and you can say yes to more of everything you want with Relief Factor.
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They're the sickest children in the world. Laura, you say that you've... Excuse me, Congressman DeLauro. You say that you've worked for 20 years on getting food to die out. Give me credit. I got it out in 100 days. I'll give you that credit. All right, so let's work together and do something that we all believe in, which is have healthy kids in our country, for God's sake. We can all do that together. It's not... There's no such thing as Republican children or Democratic children. There's just kids, and we should all be concerned with them.
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Gosh, that's powerful, isn't it? Isn't that astounding? And you can hear her off in the distance saying, I give you credit for that. For years, under her oversight, she's been saying... Let's get rid of these dangerous food dyes to benefit our kids. And they never got it done. And in 100 days, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. got it done. This administration is getting extraordinary things done. So look at this Axios piece, which to me is a bombshell. Again, mainstream media publication, a Beltway site. I go there every morning, 6.30 in the morning. I'm up and I go through all my sites. I go to townhall.com. I go to Hot Air. I go all up Red State. I don't go to Drudge anymore because something dark and sinister has happened over at Drudge. I don't know what that's all about. The Drudge Report has become a daily anti-Trump diatribe and I don't know it used to be a conservative site but I don't know what happened there but so be it and I go to Axios and it's a very newsy site it's informative it does tend to skew left but nonetheless they're capable of trying to call balls and strikes well here's an example article written by Dave Lawler I hope he still gets to keep his job after this article headline President Trump's recent series of audacious foreign policy moves have astounded even some of his harshest critics. Just in the Middle East and just in the past week, Trump has met with a leader the U.S. officially considers a terrorist, announced he'll lift sanctions on Syria, cut a truce with the Houthis, plus a hostage deal with Hamas. both which excluded Israel. Biden administration veterans who spoke with Axios raised questions about Trump's motivations, but grudgingly saluted his boldness. Now, this is not something that Democrats typically do. One admitted, gosh, I wish I could work for an administration that could move that quickly. These are Biden people. These are Biden people. Ned Price, former senior State Department official under Biden, said he does all this and it's kind of silence. It's met with a shrug. He has the ability to do things politically that previous presidents did not because he has complete unquestioned authority over the Republican caucus. Here's Rob O'Malley. Excuse me, Rob Malley, who held senior posts in three Democrat administrations. including handling Iran talks under Obama and Biden. It's hard not to be simultaneously terrified of the thought of the damage he can cause with such power and awed by his willingness to brazenly shatter so many harmful taboos. Axios says on issue after issue, Trump is taking steps no recent president would have even considered. Perhaps, I mean, driving the news, the Biden administration considered these things? Look, the Trump administration is doing it. One former Biden administration official told Axios, when his personal instincts coincide with the national interest, it's pretty remarkable how quickly he can move. Yeah, he moves quickly, all right. Boy, does he move quickly. And it matters. It really matters. And you've got to learn to ignore the noise. That's all I ask. Ignore the noise and embrace and welcome and relish what is being achieved right now. Good things are happening with the economy, obviously with the border, and God willing, the Supreme Court is going to put an end to birthright citizenship. Is there not one person in America who can argue for birthright citizenship who's in the Mike Gallagher show audience today? Not one? Can we get one person to call to argue for birthright citizenship? I don't know that I've ever seen this one side in an issue before, and I know we've got a lot of lefties who listen. I know we've got people who disagree with me. I don't want to have a big knock-down drag-out with you. 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Oh, brother. Bruce Springsteen's back at it again. My gosh. The boss is... Can you imagine going to a Bruce Springsteen concert to get an America is Bad lecture? It's so gross. So gross. Jimmy Fela over at Fox News had a funny post about Springsteen's rant. Apparently now on tour, he's ranting and raving against Trump. fascist and authoritarian. Jimmy Fallon writes, Bruce Springsteen bashing Trump shows he's way past his glory days. Biden let in 10 million who were not born in the USA and dumped fentanyl all over the streets of Philadelphia. Luckily, nobody was blinded by the light because soaring energy prices left millions in Dancing in the dark. See what Jimmy did there? Look, you cannot make... I want to read a text from West Virginia to Kevin here in Michigan who is arguing for birthright citizenship. First of all, Kevin, I'm glad you called. Appreciate it. How are you?
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Good. Good morning.
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So you're going to argue for birthright citizenship before you start.
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Well, yes, because they don't take care of the veterans, so why shouldn't we take care of the illegals? Because the Democrats, you know they stand for destroy every moral order, chaos, racism, abortion, and transsexualism. So why shouldn't we pay for them, too?
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Okay, then. Thank you, Kevin. Appreciate it. 800-655-MIKE. Let's try Kurt in Pennsylvania. Kurt, are you in favor of birthright citizenship?
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Free-time Trump voter here in Pennsylvania and proud of it, loving every minute of it. I just have a story to tell you. Fifty years ago, I was in college in Chicago, and I met a missionary kid, and he was about 18, 19 years old. And he said that his parents, they're in Africa. I don't know what nation in Africa is. He was born there, and he came back to the United States because that country considered him a citizen, and they wanted him to serve in their military. And so for him to avoid that, he came back, and of course he was an American citizen because his parents were both citizens. So other countries, sometime in the past, did recognize a birthright citizenship somewhere in Africa. Gotcha.
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Can we start over? Can we start the call over? Do you mind if we start again? Because I admit I'm a little under the weather, so maybe I'm not. Let's try again. Here's Kurt in Pennsylvania. Hi, Kurt. How are you? I'm great. Good. Are you in favor of birthright citizenship for the United States of America? I'm on the fence because I think other...
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Other countries seem to have done that. It's not like a foreign concept.
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I got you. Okay. 800-655-MIKE. We're trying to get somebody to give me an articulate view about why you favor. And it's fair. You're on the fence. The reality is you cannot make the case. and this is what I was going to try to do, but obviously with the last two callers that didn't work so well. You can't make a case, according to West Virginia texting, for birthright citizenship for illegals without making a case for open borders. It's that simple. It's just that simple. You're either for open borders or you're not. You either want as many illegals in America as you can get or you're not. That's what it comes down to. Bottom line. And that's probably why it's going to be like picking, pulling teeth to try to get somebody to call and make an articulate explanation of why you're in favor of birthright citizenship. Because the truth is, you're in favor of open borders, you're in favor of illegals, you want as many illegals here, you're probably a Democrat, and you want them on the voter rolls. That's what you want. You want as many illegals as possible in this country, which is why Joe Biden had open borders for four years. All you want is as many illegals as possible. And one way to do it, especially with all of the scams going on and the schemes and the birth tours from China and Mexico, all you want is any way possible. It's all that matters to you. And it's probably completely impossible to try to figure out a way to get somebody to give me a coherent explanation because you'd have to admit it. And that's okay if that's how you feel. Look, there's a lot of people who want open borders. Period. I know one guy who doesn't want open borders, one guy that respects the law, one guy that appreciates what he does, and that's Dean Owen, my CPA. I'm going to have a call with him later today, in fact, as we're working on some big, big things together. I found M. Dean Owen's CPA through a friend, was recommended. Accounting Today has continuously ranked Dean as among the nation's top CPA financial advisors in the country. And that's not a surprise to me after working with Dean personally because he specializes in helping families and businesses reduce their tax burden and build financial and tax plans aligned with your goals and values. I love his style. He's pretty aggressive, but caring, and he listens, and good guy. He's a veteran, God-fearing man. He's one of us. So the bottom line is, if you want my CPA to be your CPA... and you want him to do the kind of wonders that he's been doing for me, and I only wish that I met him years ago, then make the call to Dean Owens, CPA, 270-554-0720. Call 270-554-0720 or visit OwenCPA.com. OwenCPA.com. We found another Charlie Kirk video. Golly, this guy, this is what a great exchange. Not everybody that Charlie meets on college campuses argues with him. Check out this exchange with a black man on a college campus during one of Charlie's prove-me-wrong visits.
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So I want you to answer me this. How is it that coming up in Chicago, East Garfield, and coming up in Cabrini-Green, can you tell me how is it that coming from a city like that and getting to a place where we came from a single-parent home to a no-parent home, can you tell me how is it that I was able to get married, which in June I'll be married 24 years, I have a 23-year-old son and a 21-year-old son, got through school, got a degree, went back and got another one. Can you explain to me how systemic racism kept me from doing that?
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It doesn't. systemic racism didn't, because every person can make good decisions and flourish in this country regardless of the color of their skin.
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So... So then how is it that somebody like me did it, though? I mean, wait, I'm black. I'm coming up in an oppressed era. So can you tell me how I was able to achieve that? You tell me.
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Well, from what I'm being told, it's because I was lucky. It was probably hard work, good decisions, maybe a pastor or a mentor that, you know, gave you good guidance. So then why is it so hard for everybody else to look like me to understand? You ask them. Trying to.
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Justice Alito's concerns about the expansive use of nationwide injunctions set the stage for a pivotal Supreme Court deliberation. With an analysis of the current judicial climate from the courtroom, we discuss how this case could redefine the authority of district courts over executive actions. Featuring perspectives from legal experts, former government officials, and the ACLJ's fight to restore constitutional clarity, this episode provides an in-depth look at one of America's most critical legal battles.
SPEAKER 04 :
Today on Sekulow, we have breaking news as the Supreme Court hears oral argument on the limits of nationwide injunctions.
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Welcome to Seculo. The Supreme Court is currently still going with an oral argument on this case, which will speak to the issue of these nationwide injunctions issued by district court judges. And this is an issue that we've seen pop up. We've seen it more aggressive in these first hundred days than we've maybe ever seen it before in the history of a presidency in the courts. And what you're seeing is on full display the way that the Supreme Court justices are questioning the Solicitor General and the other respondents about how they are going to come to an outcome on whether or not these nationwide injunctions should continue. And we're going to have very good analysis here. Jordan is in the courtroom right now with the Attorney General of West Virginia, J.B. McCuskey. And we will be joined in the next segment of the broadcast by Chief Counsel of the ACLJ, Jay Sekulow, to talk about the oral argument that is still ongoing. These oral arguments are normally slated for one hour, as was this one. We are now past the two-hour timeline. It started at 10 a.m. Eastern. And now we're in the noon hour. And one more respondent is is just taken the podium to be questioned by the justices. So we will get analysis as this is ongoing, as we are joining you right now. But what we've heard so far is very, very fascinating. And you're going to want to stick with us in the next segment, especially as Jay joins us to break down what he hears it with his long history with the court and arguments and how you can maybe read things from the justices or maybe don't read things from the justices. And we will see where this goes. But it has been very interesting as well. When some of these justices have actually spoken out in the past against nationwide injunctions, including Justice Kagan, who had given a talk, was interviewed on a panel at Northwestern Law School back in 2022 during the Biden administration. And she even had criticism. this issue talking about how in recent years the district courts have issued nationwide injunctions and this has happened under both Trump and Biden administrations and she brings up the issue of forum shopping and she brings up the issues that when it's against a Republican president they go to the Northern District of California and when it's against a liberal president, they go to Texas and they get these nationwide injunctions to block national policy at one district court in one location. And that's what we're seeing. But it is ramped up, especially during the Trump years. You've seen, I believe the tally is 67% of all nationwide injunctions that have been issued have been against President Trump while he is president, both in his first term and now during this second term. But we're not only analyzing this. The reason that Jordan is in the courtroom right now and we're hoping that he gets out of the hearing and is able to make it to our broadcast studio in D.C. to join us and give his input on how it seemed in the room. But we are there with the attorney general of West Virginia because we are representing D.C. West Virginia in our amicus brief that we filed in this case. And so it's very important. This is the work of the ACLJ pushing back against these nationwide injunctions because one district court, one judge should not have the power to consistently block policy of the President of the United States before there's ever briefing on the merits, before you get to any sort of details in the case, they just put an end to it. And as Justice Kagan pointed out in 2022, and then it's tied up for years as it goes through the legal process. That's what we're pushing back against today. And that's what is before the Supreme Court right now. Join us in the next segment as Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the ACLJ, joins us to break it down. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow, executive producer Will Haines. And I'm joined now by the ACLJ's chief counsel, Jay Sekulow, about this case that the Supreme Court is hearing today that gets to the heart of these nationwide injunctions that have been issued by district courts across the country to block policies of the president. Now, these have happened under both Democrat and Republican presidents, but they always seem to tick up during the Trump years. As a matter of fact, the statistic is around 67% of all nationwide injunctions that have been issued have been against President Trump, either during this 100-plus days or the four years prior during his first term. But I wanted to get your read on just the... First blush looking at this hearing today, it got contentious at times, but what was your takeaway as someone who has been before that court many times?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and of course we represent West Virginia in this case. The underlying action is the birthright citizenship issue where the administration through an executive order narrowed the scope of who would qualify for birthright citizenship. That is what's not before the court, though, the actual underlying action. And that, I think, is going to have a very difficult time. But what is before the court is these universal injunctions. And look, conservatives have been guilty of going after these two. I mean, famously, the state of Texas. But here's the reality. And I think the universal injunctions are dangerous for the exact reasons that Justice Alito was pointing out. Now, It's very close, Will. I could tell you just by the oral arguments. It is a very closely divided court. It's not clear where Justice Court, the argument's still going on right now. Jordan's inside the court with the Attorney General of West Virginia, J.B. McCuskey. So they're inside the courtroom right now. But I've been able to listen to it and read transcripts as they were coming. And here's the reality. The reality is this is, I think, looking at right now a 4-4 case. and Gorsuch could be the determining factor here. He did not seem very sympathetic to President Trump's Solicitor General Sauer.
SPEAKER 04 :
I wanted to play that bite from Justice Alito that you mentioned. This is bite nine, where he's talking about the problem of these nationwide injunctions and even starts off by saying, let's put out of our minds the merits of this. As you're referencing, many people in the media are pointing to the underlying eo that got this this hearing today but that's not what it's about is specifically about these injunctions issued by district court judges that put a nationwide hold on the policy of the president so let's play this bite and then i want to get your reaction to it bite nine so what do you say about the the practical problem so put out of let's put out of our minds the merits of this
SPEAKER 05 :
just look at the the abstract question of universal injunctions what is your response to what some people think is the practical problem and the practical problem is that there are 680 district court judges and they are dedicated and they are scholarly and i'm not impugning their motives in any way but you know sometimes they're wrong And all Article III judges are vulnerable to an occupational disease, which is the disease of thinking that I am right and I can do whatever I want. Now, on a multi-member appellate court, that is restrained by one's colleagues. But the trial judge sitting in the trial judge's courtroom is the monarch of that court. of that realm and there are situations in which trial judges uh the the president does something it could be president trump could be president biden could be president obama the the trial judge says this is unlawful and i'm gonna i'm gonna order uh i'm gonna enjoin it and i'm so i'm convinced i'm right so i'm not going to stay the injunction and then an application is made to the court of appeals to stay the injunction the court of appeals gives it the back of the hand and then the case comes immediately to us in the context of an emergency application.
SPEAKER 04 :
That is the Justice Samuel Alito breaking that down, what is kind of the core problem of these nationwide injunctions. And I just wanted to get your thoughts, especially as it relates to how he points out the 680 district court judges. It reminds me of an argument you made before the Supreme Court talking about the local district attorneys going after the president. And when you have this this broad swath of officials that can be weaponized in some way against the agenda of a president if they are able to pursue it in this manner.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, no, you're exactly correct. And by the way, if we carry the day and win this case, Justice Alito, what he wrote is going to be the basis of the opinion. Because what he pointed out is exactly what, and you're right, I pointed out in representing President Trump before the Supreme Court, when the local DAs were going after him, I said, you know what, there's Twenty eight hundred or whatever the number was of local district attorneys, any one of them can start doing this. And that's exactly the problem. So this idea that the injunction goes that long is dangerous. But here's the that broad. Here's the bottom line. The bottom line is we have to fight and we're continuing to do that. And now at the Supreme Court.
SPEAKER 04 :
And as you mentioned, it did seem, and you've also cautioned before, that you never can really tell what's going on in one of the justices' minds just by the questioning. Maybe some of them that were very aggressive against even the underlying policy, but once again... At the end of the day, this isn't about the executive order. It is about the limits of these district court judges. So it even if you were to take just the sentiment from the panel of justices up there, it could seem as though because of the way they went after that underlying issue that. they may automatically you can't ever imagine getting them on board with this but then you hear statements like that from justice kagan just back in 2022 where she was cautioning at a northwestern law school event about a district judge being able to stop nationwide policy in its tracks that while they may not like the underlying issue which isn't before the court today You could see some sort of narrow or limiting of a district court's power in nationwide injunctions from surprising members of the court, depending on how it shakes out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, again, the underlying issue here, the birthright citizenship there, whenever they touch it, did not seem like it. There was many justices that were in favor of what the Trump administration has done. Of course, being in favor of it doesn't mean it's not constitutional. So they're going to eventually have to address that issue. But as it relates to the injunction, this really should not be a liberal conservative issue. This really should be an issue of how do we want an unelected district court judge in Spokane impacting... you know, a citizens of the state of Georgia or North Carolina or Texas or New York. I mean, it's ridiculous.
SPEAKER 04 :
If the Supreme Court were to not issue a broad order or rule on this in a way, are there any avenues through even Congress, which does have some authority in creating courts and things of that nature, could legislate some sort of restraints or is that strictly up to the judicial branch once it's there?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I mean, no. Congress determines the jurisdiction of the courts. I mean, the courts in that sense are an act of, you know, it's a constitutional appointment under Article 3. But yes, but the jurisdictional issues are the federal rules of civil procedure, for instance. These are all adopted by congressional actions and are put in place. across the country as an action of Congress. So, of course, Congress can curtail jurisdiction of courts. That would be a long way to go. And I'm not sure there would be enough support to actually do it. But it'll be very it's a close call. I think we're right that the injunction should not be universal in scope, but it'll be it's going to be very close at the court.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you for joining us today and for that analysis. It is always fascinating to see these hearings, especially ones that have such broad reaching impact on literally anything that a president can do. Not just President Trump, but any president that follows him as we see this. This is truly a historic case and we are representing Trump. the state of West Virginia. Jordan is there in the courtroom with the Attorney General of West Virginia, who you've seen on this broadcast many times, J.B. McCuskey. And we hope to be joined by Jordan shortly, as soon as this hearing wraps up. And he's able to make it to our broadcast studio in Washington, D.C., which is not too far from the Supreme Court. We'll hopefully get his analysis of what it was like inside that courtroom as it got testy sometimes between the some of the justices and the solicitor general. And we will see where this all goes as we look forward. forward and we'll be getting a ruling on this issue from this court but thank you for joining us today that was jay seculo chief counsel of the aclj and his analysis of that court which he has been before many times if you're new to the aclj Go to ACLJ.org and support our work as we fight to put limits and put an end to this nationwide injunction issue as we represent the state of West Virginia today before the Supreme Court on our brief. And we will hopefully be joined by Jordan shortly. But coming up, we have Secretary of State Mike Pompeo joining us with his insight as someone who was in the executive branch, who has had to face some of these nationwide injunction issues before and how he sees this play out and how that affects the ability for the executive branch to put forward their foreign policy and other things. We'll be right back on Sekulow. You won't want to miss it. Welcome back to Sekulow. Will Haines, executive producer here. And I'm joined by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, our senior counsel for global affairs. And we are still talking about this issue that's before the Supreme Court today. And this is the issue of district court judges issuing nationwide injunctions against policies of the president. And without ever getting to the merits of it and putting this policy on hold, limiting the ability of the executive branch to govern, And I wanted to get Secretary Pompeo's take on this because as someone who has served in the executive branch, you've seen firsthand how the opposition can forum shop, get a judge in the district court to put a nationwide injunction on the policies of the administration. And that's really what is at the heart of this issue today. And so I just wanted to get from you, Secretary Pompeo, how hard is it to govern with the threat of a party disagreeing with you on a political matter or a policy matter that rushes to court to try and block almost any action that the administration decides to move forward with?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, what you've described is exactly right, and I come at this from a practitioner's standpoint. We'll leave the legal arguments to others for the moment, but from a practitioner's standpoint, It's the case that any party that feels like they're aggrieved, any citizen, any organization that feels like they're aggrieved can find a friendly district court somewhere in the country and show up, make a claim, and then really put sand in the gearbox for an entire nation to deny an executive the space to do what it is He was elected to do. This, by the way, cuts both ways. It's been the case that conservative organizations have gotten to try to do this when there were liberal presidents as well. What we're really talking about is what is... What is it that the executive should have the capacity and space to do? And can it be the case that several hundred district court judges that are trial judges, fact-determining judges, can just literally with a single stroke of a pen shut down an entire nation's executive branch? That can't possibly be the outcome that the framers intended. And it is a practitioner, someone who was dealing with these things, Some of the foreign policy issues stem from executive orders as well, right? It impacted our ability to actually deliver what it was the American people had asked us to do. And I saw this with great frequency, certainly in the first year and a half or two of the Trump administration. First Trump administration, we saw it on immigration, but we saw it more broadly as well. It made life more difficult for all of us.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and as you point out as well, that this shouldn't be really an issue that is divisive politically. And there are people in the media that will try to point out what the underlying executive order on this one is that that has gotten it to the Supreme Court. But at the end of the day. That's not really the question at hand. The question at hand is what you're referring to and what even Justice Kagan brought up as recently as 2022 when she was on a panel at Northwestern Law School and talking about that. As you said, it cuts both ways. It's happened under President Biden or President Trump and that these the trend line is increasing as well. our politics get more divisive of using the court in this way. And that the fact-finding judge, as you said, the district court judge can actually put on hold for years as the legal process plays out a policy decision or a political decision by the administration that someone doesn't agree with. So I feel like if it would be presented fairly, That this should be an issue that most Americans, especially if they want their president to succeed, if you're not in favor of the policies of President Trump, but yet you keep seeing this continue, then it's just as likely to ramp up under the next administration and really harms all Americans because those in power cannot govern when the district court judges have that much power to block the policies and forward movement of an administration.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you've hit on a really important point there. First of all, I do want to remind folks, there are hundreds of these district court judges. Literally, we can have dozens and dozens of district courts. By the way, putting nationwide injunctions that conflict with each other. The level of chaos that can ensue when a single district court has the capacity to shut down the entire nation on a particular issue with a stroke of a pen, it is dysfunctional. As a practitioner, it doesn't work. The second thing that you hit on that's important is the time element of this. They put this nationwide injunction in place through a stroke of a pen, and it can go for years. Presidents are elected for precisely 48 months. Once the injunction is lifted, it can then take months to actually get the policy in place and implement it. You can essentially prevent a policy from ever happening. being put into effect with a single district court judge for the entirety of a presidential term. That just is dysfunctional. It can't possibly be the case of what our founders intended. And this shouldn't be partisan. This is about the roles and responsibilities of a chief executive. And I'm pretty confident that the Supreme Court, while they may not go all the way in denying district courts this authority, they are going to cabin this capability, this power. in important ways. And I think that'll be good for all of us. Whatever one's political views are, I think this will end up being a good thing for the country.
SPEAKER 04 :
I did want to ask this one final question of you before we let you go today. But this is about the trip that President Trump is on in the Middle East and the bold call for both Saudi Arabia and other nations to join the Abraham Accord, something you were pivotal in getting forward during the first presidential term of President Trump. And now we are seeing the push to to expand that and to bring normalized relations between countries that have never had normal relations and had antagonistic and actually many have had war between each other. What is your take on this push? And do you expect that we could see more in an expanded Abraham Accords in the coming months and years?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think it's very likely when the United States leads, when we put our reputation on the line saying this is a good thing and we ask these nations to do it and then we are good partners with them, they will come to see that recognizing the right of Israel to exist is a pretty straightforward proposition. And, you know, President extended that to the new leader in Syria. Many of us spoken about one day praying that the Iranians would come to see it this way. This is how you get the stability, the peace, the economic prosperity for the region. The basic fundamental right that says Israel is going to exist, I think, is common knowledge and accepted now. No one disputes this. And so it's time for us to move past these legacy issues and get on with building a stronger, more peaceful and more prosperous region.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, Mr. Secretary, for joining us today for your insight, both as someone who has had to face things like these nationwide injunctions as you served in the executive branch and in many different roles and having to face the the. possibility of trying to have a fight back against courts that are trying to shut down you governing in those roles and also on your insight on the abraham accords uh very very important topic that we are following closely here at the aclj so thank you and we will talk with you next week but folks today is a major day at the supreme court as we told you the justices are hearing the oral argument that is one of the biggest cases that will affect all of us and affect every president and every administration going forward about the power of district court judges to block the policies of a president many of these political policies policy questions not inherently something that a district court would have the authority to put nationwide injunctions on. We represent the state of West Virginia in this case, as we, Jordan is in the courtroom right now, and you can join us at aclj.org, make a tax-deductible donation. We'll talk to you when we get back.
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Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Seculo.
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Welcome back to Seculo. Executive producer Will Haines, as you heard in the first half hour, Jay Seculo, our chief counsel, joined us to break down what he had heard during this oral argument that is still taking place. It began at 10 a.m. Eastern time. Now it is 1230. p.m eastern time and it is still going should be wrapping up soon and jordan seculo is joined by the west virginia attorney general jb mccuskey in the courtroom as they hear the oral argument there we are hoping to get jordan on but as you can tell the argument is still going if not we will have him on tomorrow to break down what he saw inside the courtroom uh at the at the But if you have a question about this, give me a call at 1-800-684-3110, 1-800-684-3110, as we discuss the importance of this day at the Supreme Court, the national implications, the historic implications as it goes forward. And I've mentioned this throughout the broadcast from Justice Kagan. And this was at a Northwestern University Law School panel back in 2022. And I want to play it for you because if you didn't know who it was from, if I was just reading the text, you may think it's someone from the ACLJ or from another conservative legal organization talking about the dangers and kind of the issues with these nationwide injunctions, but you're hearing it from a member of the Supreme Court who is hearing arguments today. So I want to go ahead and play this for you from 2022 at Northwestern. This is Byte 11.
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In recent years, some district courts have issued nationwide injunctions. And this happened in the Trump administration, and it has also happened in the Biden administration. So this has no political tilt to it. But some district courts have very quickly issued nationwide injunctions to stop a policy in its tracks, something um that uh the president um and or congress has determined to be the national policy and it just one district court stops it um and then you combine that with the ability of people to forum shop to go to a particular district court where they think that that will be the result and you look at something like that and you think that can't be right that one district court whether it's in You know, in the Trump years, people used to go to the Northern District of California. And in the Biden years, they go to Texas. And it just can't be right that one district judge can stop a nationwide policy in its tracks and leave it stopped for the years that it takes to go through a normal process.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right there, that ending line of that bite from Justice Kagan. And it just can't be right that one district judge can stop a nationwide policy in its tracks and leave it stopped for the years that it takes to go through the normal process. That is precisely the issue before the court today. That a district court judge... can stop a policy of the president in its tracks and leave it stopped for years as it goes through the normal process. That's what we're fighting against today. That's why Jordan is there today at the Supreme Court with the Attorney General of West Virginia representing that state and their interests before the Supreme Court in our brief, pointing out that this can't be right. as Justice Kagan said. Now we will see when the ruling comes out, how this case was interpreted by the justices. But now is the time to push back against this and fight back against this. You can join us at aclj.org. You can become a champion, which is a monthly donor to the ACLJ. That helps us set budgets for the year and continue these fights as we represent states, or we represent individuals, as we had on air yesterday, Zach Knotts, who was arrested in front of an abortion clinic exercising his First Amendment rights. Join us today at ACLJ.org. Donate. We could always use your support and your prayers as we fight these battles, both here at home and abroad. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. Executive producer Will Haines here. And I am joined in studio by Professor Harry Hutchison as we continue to talk about this historic day at the Supreme Court. The issue before the court today are these nationwide injunctions being placed on policy issues and executive orders of the president. And this isn't a new issue. This has only been ramped up, though, in really the last few administrations. And it has affected administrations on both sides. However, we have seen the disproportionate amount of these nationwide injunctions against President Trump, both in his first term, as well as this hundred plus days that we have of the second Trump presidency. And I played in the last segment Justice Kagan from a law school panel that she was on at Northwestern in 2022. And I'll just give you kind of the nugget from it, Professor Hutchison. And that's where she even pointed out that we've seen district courts in recent years. That's happened to both the Trump administration's and Biden administration's districts. and where they very quickly issue these nationwide injunctions to stop policy in its tracks and she goes on to talk about that they even forum shop and as we've seen here that the vast majority of these cases against president trump are california or massachusetts or dc the more liberal areas where they can find a more liberal district court judge but then also you She ends this statement by saying, and it just can't be right that one district judge can stop a nationwide policy in its tracks and leave it stopped for the years that it takes to go through the normal process. As we see this, that's exactly what's happening, which she was talking about in 2022. That's exactly the issue before the court today.
SPEAKER 02 :
I think that's precisely correct. I think Justice Kagan is precisely correct. And she's correct for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that the court record below has not yet been developed. So in other words, you have a single district court judge issuing an injunction based on an incomplete judicial record and saying, hey, I will determine whether or not the executive branch can actually run the government. And it's imperative that the Supreme Court intervene here. Why? Because over two-thirds of the injunctions issued in U.S. history have been issued against the Trump administration. So there's something that's disproportional that's going on here from a policy perspective. And let me also point out, even though that's not really before the court, if you actually understand the underlying legal issue and go to the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the 14th Amendment is not crystal clear, as some individuals suggest. So it states in impertinent part that all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. And so one of the things that most people emphasize is the first part of that statement, all persons born or naturalized in the United States. They don't focus on the second part and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. So the point I'm making is there is something with respect to the merits that supports the merits of President Trump's argument here. And I think our chief counsel, who basically suggested that this is going to be a tough case for President Trump, I think he's precisely correct. This will be a tough argument to make, but the argument should be allowed to be made In terms of a full blooded judicial hearing, not through an injunctive measure issued by one single judge in Massachusetts or wherever.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that's precisely the issue before the court today, because at the end of the day, the underlying executive order. that this case reached the Supreme Court on isn't at hand at all. But that is what many of the justices were trying to make it about. But it could be swapped out with any of the other executive actions that have been enjoined nationally by a district court judge. because the facts are almost the same in all of them basically a judge before ever getting to any sort of merits briefing or any sort of of real robust judicial process are putting a nationwide injunction on it stopping it before it ever even is heard by the court and so while that was the angle of many of the justices trying to almost litigate the merits of the underlying EO before that's even before the court. That's not the question at hand today. It shows you that even the nationwide injunction issue, because of already pre-thought maybe or issues that could go along with the fact that that's what the underlying EO is, could introduce bias against this issue of nationwide injunction. Now, we will see how it plays out. And it was a very robust hearing. It just ended about 10 minutes ago. So all that aside, though, you as a professor of law. You could see many, many hypotheticals in law school exam questions, I'm sure, based upon this very issue in and of itself, because even as Justice Thomas brought up early in the oral argument. Nationwide injunctions aren't a part of American history for very long. The very first ones, really, I think there is some debate about if there was something in the 40s that could have been considered that. But really, the 1960s is when we first saw these. And he even said America survived its history until the 1960s without these. Why is this necessary now? And I think that is precisely the question. Why? Is the judicial branch able to do this now? And how did we even get here?
SPEAKER 02 :
I think that's a very good question, and I think the answer is somewhat complex. But let me suggest one possible source of the move toward nationwide injunctions, and that is academics, law schools, and undergraduate schools have changed since the 1960s. And so academics have basically encouraged their students to become revolutionaries. Some of those revolutionary students are now district court judges. They have been revolutionized and their view is they are part of the resistance. They have been weaponized, if you will, against Donald Trump. And so I think at the end of the day, it's an indictment, if you will, of the academic sector. And one of the things that we should think about seriously, this is outside the parameters of today's discussion, but we should insist that elite schools in particular be taxed more heavily.
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And that's a whole different issue altogether, Professor Hutchison. But this is a historic showdown at the Supreme Court that we're watching unfold today because it isn't about the executive order underlying it. As I said earlier, you could almost just plug and play any executive order. This very question could have been presented to the court on a vast array of them. But what you are seeing... is for the first time, to my knowledge, the Supreme Court tackle this issue of nationwide injunctions. And what is the limit of the authority of a district court judge? And there are hundreds of them across the country. that have the power, this appointed judge, unelected, this isn't the same as a state court judge, which may be elected by the people to represent them. Now, obviously, a state court judge can't issue a nationwide injunction. These are appointed judges by presidents, confirmed by the Senate, that at some point along the way have acquired the power to completely block the policy enforcement the foreign policy, the executive actions of an entire branch of government And this is what's before them. It is almost an existential constitutional issue that we're seeing before the court today as it pertains to how much power these judges have.
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I think that's precisely correct. And I would posit that the big problem is the absence of judicial modesty. In other words, judges need to be able to restrain themselves, but judicial modesty, I think, is out of fashion.
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Folks, as we continue to break this down in the next segment of the broadcast, you can call with your questions, 1-800-684-3110. If you want to talk to me on air, you could leave a comment on any of our social media platforms that we broadcast to, YouTube, Facebook, X, Rumble. We're there on all of them. But we could really use your support today as we have Jordan in the courtroom with the Attorney General of West Virginia as he is in the Supreme Court of the United States, probably now outside the front of it as that case just wrapped up, that oral argument. But we are fighting back against this judicial overreach as they seek to continue to block every aspect of of the president's policy. That's not what we think the district court judges should be doing, and you can stand with us at ACLJ.org. Welcome back to Sekulow. Final segment of the day. And we are pleased to say that we have gotten Jordan on the phone. We are hoping to have him back in our studio. But Jordan, that hearing went a little long today. Give us your thoughts on what you saw in the courtroom as you just left the Supreme Court of the United States.
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You know, these are, it's a politically charged times. And I think we've been in that situation for a number of years now. It's not something new for people who've been listening into the court since that audio has become, you know, live streaming and available, uh, not just, you know, after the fact or historically. So you're not just relying on accounts and the idea here that you've got what could be either a very straightforward case or a very complicated case. And I think that the easiest way to look at this is should district court judges be able to stop the actions of the executive branch, the president of the United States, because they don't like the policy interpretation, or do they have to go through a court process? It doesn't mean that our president gets to do whatever they want, whoever we elect. And that's obviously, you can't just look at who the president is now and say, well, I like them, so I want them to have this power, but I don't want the next president to have this power. At the same time, You have this entire, you know, two hours before the U.S. Supreme Court without the lower courts taking this kind of time. The lower courts who considered this, who issued these nationwide or universal injunctions didn't take the time that the Supreme Court did today to even consider these issues. These were quick orders done to, again, politically charged orders to prevent the President of the United States from carrying out their function to execute the laws of the United States. I thought that also one of the more arguments that you're seeing from the other side of this issue. One, you get to look at the state argument and they talk about programs that they administer, but those are programs we all fund through our federal tax dollars. So again, the Medicaid programs that states may, again, have the ability to then carry out their states, but those are all functions that they are involved with the federal government. The second point is you heard from the opposing is that if people here, the federal government decides who is in the United States and who is not, I mean, if you have a green card, if you have a visa, at any time, that can be revoked. You don't have the same kind of rights as the U.S. citizens. And the argument put forward is, well, we can't actually have plaintiffs come forward because then they'd be telling the U.S. government that they're breaking the law. I mean, so we're at a court of law And we're protecting people who are saying, well, we can't come forward because we know we're violating the law because we're here illegally. And that would then we could be deported because we're here illegally. And so then they can't actually challenge on behalf of a minor. Do you see where this gets out of control very quickly? And I think that is where you have to take out just the issue that was in court today. And I think the court did a pretty good job of trying to get back to that and say, what are the ramifications here? of going forward and just saying this is the new accepted practice in the United States, that district court judges get to decide when to shut down the executive branch from even beginning. I mean, I think that point needs to be underscored, too, that the federal government, when these injunctions are issued, is told not only can you not do what you have the executive order is ordering the federal government and the executive branch to do, you can't even begin to plan. to try and implement the policy of the President of the United States. So every time one of these delays comes in, they talk about the Trump administration trying to run out the clock. But you think about the idea here is to have a policy of the U.S. government fully implemented doesn't take a day. And here, just the idea of how it would go into force, they were going to give it at least 30 days. That clock hasn't started yet. So while the other side of this argument keeps trying to say that this is the administration that wanted to get to the merits of the issue and run out the clock, is in fact running out the clock. And I think that that, again, has to be underscored. You can never predict the Supreme Court over oral arguments. Obviously, they spent a lot of time with the Solicitor General today. That makes sense. since because this issue fundamentally comes down to, again, the court has a way to say here, listen, we can take emergency cases. In fact, this was on an emergency appeal. We can act quickly. So to kind of go before the U.S. Supreme Court and say, we don't have ways to resolve things in the United States, you know, a constitutional crisis can't be resolved. Well, we know throughout our history that's not the case. that they can be resolved within even those 30 days of implementation without telling the federal government they can't even start the process. So I think that that has to be underscored, too, is that here you're not just saying you can't do this. You're saying you can't even start working on how you would do it. And so does the bureaucracy itself. And again... I think there's multiple ways the court can look at it. And we'll see how this opinion comes down. But it just underscores a kind of climate that we're living in now where we're told on the one hand that this is about this executive specifically. And you saw that argument try to be made by the councils here. We represent, of course, the co-council with the state of West Virginia. and the people there. And I think what has to be underscored is that the majority of states in the country are on our side. So when you heard from New Jersey's argument and the states that joined New Jersey, that is a minority of states in the United States who are saying they are going to suffer some kind of harm if this goes forward. And when they point to the harm, they're pointing to the administration of our federally funded programs.
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Jordan, I think also to bring up and just kind of reiterate what you said, we heard the Chief Justice actually raise that, what you said, that, you know, we're able to act pretty quickly. He even referenced the TikTok case that they were able to address within days of the issue arising. But we've also mentioned today on the show that Justice Kagan, as recently as 2022, had talked about it can't be right that one district judge can stop nationwide policy in its tracks and leave it stop for the years that it takes to go through the normal process. We've got about a minute and a half left here, but Do you think really that the opinion hinges on whether or not some of these justices, like Justice Kagan, can separate themselves from the underlying EO that this injunction is related to and look at the issue that is actually before them, which is district court judges issuing these nationwide EOs, stopping a president's policies in its tracks?
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Yeah, I think it's going to be very difficult for those justices. I think it's a, you know, we moved outside of the court just because of the amount of protesting. And that's a daily occurrence now here. It's not just because of one case or one procedural issue before the court. And that's what is at stake here. I mean, this, again, is bigger than birthright citizenship. This is not the idea of how that is defined or do we look at history and look at the Civil War and the post-Civil War amendments that were put into the Constitution. But it's procedurally much bigger. If you live in one state, Can the action of one district, can the action of another district court judge stop the entire administration and functioning of law in its tracks? And so, again, we live in a government with co-equal branches, but the judiciary is divided. And so we have, again, we started a district court, we go to the Court of Appeals, and then we go to the U.S. Supreme Court. And you have basically the argument before the court today is, you don't fix things quick enough. And this case got there within a matter of months. And again, these 30 days, even the government was clear about, the Trump administration was clear about, had not even begun. But again, we'll get the opinion of the court and we'll continue the fight. I think this is just the beginning of the fight for the Trump administration to be able to carry out its policies. And again, the will of the people who elect
SPEAKER 04 :
uh our our executive branch leaders like the president united states to carry out the functions of our government thank you so much for jumping on here in the final segment of the broadcast we'll talk with you more about this when you're back in studio but folks this is such an important time as you heard from jordan as you heard from jay These are the very core issues of our Constitution and the way our judiciary works and the way our executive branch works. And the ACLJ is fighting back against what these judges are doing. And this won't be the last historic case we have to take on. Join us today as we fight at ACLJ.org.
On this enlightening episode of The Kim Munson Show, Kim engages with community leaders to dissect the pressing issues facing modern America. Featuring passionate dialogues about government-backed scholarships, the pitfalls of altruism, and the responsibilities of the family unit, Kim provides a platform for voices advocating for individual freedom. Tune in to understand why engaging in the battle of ideas around freedom and force is more crucial than ever.
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Yep, I think that's how that works.
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SPEAKER 05 :
Well, thanks, Kim. It's a great day to be in Colorado. Just looking out the window here, we are so blessed.
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Oh, this is an amazing view. And to see the sunrise is pretty amazing. So good to have you here.
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Thank you for having me.
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Absolutely. And also a new sponsor, relatively new. You're going to be an old sponsor soon here. And that's Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating and Cooling. So it's great to have you here as well.
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Kim, it's an honor and privilege to be here.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so thank you. But, Brad, as you know, because you host the show sometimes for me. I try. Oh, my gosh. The first time that you did this, the phones weren't working. We had everything organized, all the guests. You had to talk for two hours.
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You know, my kindergarten report card once said, Bradley is loquacious. So there you go.
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But another word that you have really brought to my attention, loquacious was one, but is altruistic. And altruism has been used by PBIs to coerce, I would say, people to vote for things or just to do things that government does in the guise of helping people. And you've really drilled down on that word, and I think that's important.
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Well, people use it, I think, incorrectly. The origination of that word really means other ism. And we today it's morphed into you should do something for somebody, but it's by the force of usually government. And I prefer benevolence. If somebody does it out of their own fruition, they do it out of their heart. They see a need and they want to help people. Great. I have no problem with them. But otherism, living your life for others is wrong. I think you should live your life for yourself and your family and your friends and then your local area and then your state and your government. But you shouldn't live for the government. You shouldn't live with a gun to your brain saying you should do this. You need to have others first. Now, I know there are some people who are religious that do things for others first, and that's fine, but it's not through force of government, and that's the difference.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. If you choose to, that's one thing. But the force of government to be compassionate or altruistic, when you have to, and we say it all the time on the show, if something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. So charity. Government should not be in the business of charity. And what I have seen as government has gotten bigger and bigger, That what happens is people sometimes say, well, I don't have to think about helping my fellow man because government is taking so much from me that they're doing it. Well, we just drive around Denver and look at a corner and just see how well they are helping the homeless. I actually think it's a homelessness industrial complex because there's a bunch of people that's making a bunch of money homeless. of the tragedy of homelessness. And yesterday I mentioned that apparently Trump, the Trump administration, is kicking around the idea that those that are on Medicaid may have to work to get those benefits. And then Senator Warnock out of Georgia has said that this was really, and I'm paraphrasing, an affront upon the hardworking people of America if they have to work to get their Medicaid. I'm thinking, did he just say that? Yeah. And granted, there are some people, and it's a small percentage, that can't, really can't work. And we, from a charitable standpoint, should take care of that. But I was just thinking about people that are able, that are receiving government benefits. First of all, there's dignity in work. And so I look at our city, I look at the trash, and I'm thinking, well, at least why don't we put a broom in everybody's hand and get our city cleaned up? Because Denver's in decline. What do you think about that, Ben Williams?
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Absolutely. It's unfortunate. I mean, you even see that in a family situation. Maybe you feel bad for your kids and you're letting them live at home and not requiring them to participate or anything. And there becomes almost this resentment where they feel like something is owed to them and just turns sour.
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And families many times need to help other family members. Things can happen. But to your point... is not a free ride. If you're here, you're going to help. You're going to do things. You're going to help pay rent. And if you don't, it does devolve into typically not a great situation where people start to resent each other. What do you think about that, Brad?
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Well, I'll tell you a little story. Back in my youth when I grew up in Southern California and I thought the world owed me everything, I remember telling my dad we were having breakfast and I said, trying to go to college. And I said, Dad, you owe me a good education. You said that? Oh, I did. And there was a nail on the wall where a clock had been had fallen down. And my dad picked me up by my collar and put me on that nail where I was kind of hanging there. And he says, I don't know you and I won't say the word. And, you know, the usual substance and walked away. And there I am hanging on the wall, and I can't go anywhere because my shirt is stuck. Great lesson. I appreciate my father doing that to me because it said nobody owes you anything. You have to work. You have to use your mind, the source of all wealth, and you have to use whatever facilities you have, faculties, excuse me, to pursue your happiness. And nobody owes you anything. And so it was an important lesson for me.
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And your father still lives in Southern California?
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92.
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God bless him.
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Yeah, and just this wonderful relationship with him. You've done great speeches and stories about your father over all these years. So anyway, this moves into this long list that I have of... Freedom versus force. I've seen this where when I was on city council, there was something that was called the this was under the Obama administration was called the Community Development Block Grants. And that was something that the federal government was pushing out. And I know Jenny probably right now is saying that. Government grants is like the crack cocaine for PBIs. And that's not the proper role of government. It's not the proper role of government to take from you, go by me, PBIs take their cut, and then give to Ben. That's not the proper role of government. So anyway, with these community development block grants, the Obama administration was also saying that they wanted to accomplish what we actually are seeing accomplished, and that is dense housing, rental units, but that was one of the strings that was attached to that. And so anyway, we, the county and the different municipalities, would make decisions on who would get this money. And I've told the story on the show before, but so we had all these different non-profits, and come in and make their presentation. And I'm sitting here thinking, gosh, if I wouldn't give money to them personally, why would I give government money to them? Is this the proper role of government? So I said to staff, I said, I would really like to see the financials on each of these nonprofits and just understand their results. And they said, nobody's ever asked us for that before. And I'm thinking, here we are doling out people's, our money, to others and we're we're not even asking for accountability but also it's not even the proper role of government and why is it that government would choose that this non-profit would get money and this didn't and non-profits need to compete in the free market just like all of us have to every day and that is and and they need to make the case to us not to government make the case and then they need to deliver if they don't deliver brad then people quit funding them
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Well, you know, we need a doge in Colorado. There is so much waste and fraud and misalignment of taxpayers' funds. You know, somebody like Ben who works with their hands and their mind and they invest in themselves. You were telling me you and your son went to a recent educational opportunity. You know, somebody like that is doing something to produce, and nothing happens until something is produced. Production precedes consumption. And government has it backwards. They think that they can just invest in something and then, you know, it's like seed packets. So all kinds of little flowers will grow up and it doesn't happen that way. You need to invest in education, information, time, trial and error. You know, sometimes you're going to mess up. That's OK. But they're doing something beforehand to produce something that people need, a good or service. And one of the things that I don't think government does well is really understand the process. They just think money grows on trees.
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Yeah. I'd like to have a tree in my backyard. And you can use a little fertilizer on that, too. But, Ben Williams, getting up, working every day, and producing something, creating something, there's real dignity in work as well.
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Brad, in the spirit of Liberty Toastmasters, our word of the day is pantheon. P-A-N-T-H-E-O-N. And number one, it could be a circular temple in Rome. It is a circular temple in Rome, completed around A.D. 125 and dedicated to all the gods. It could be a temple dedicated to all gods, all the gods of a people considered as a group. It could be a public building commemorating or dedicated to the heroes of a nation dedicated or it could be a group of persons highly regarded for contributions to a field or an endeavor. I've also thought you could have a pantheon of ideas.
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True, true. I think that are something that are timeless. The ancient Greeks often thought about the pantheon of time. I've used that term, that it continues on, and it's somewhat of a circular type of thing. So hence the building itself, from my understandings.
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Yeah, okay. So your challenge is to use Pantheon in a sentence today, and I think you should be able to figure that out. And our quote of the day is from George Washington in a letter to Edmund Randolph in 1795, and I was looking for quotes about truth. initially and he said this there is but one straight course and that is to seek truth and to pursue it steadily and George Washington was born in 1732 and died in 1799 of course he was our first president he was the general of the Continental Army and he oversaw the Constitutional Convention known as the father of our nation and we get to have all these discussions because of our great sponsors and it's important I think that This isn't just, oh, this particular, you know, just here spot. It's important to have a relationship between the sponsor and myself and also the sponsor and our listeners. So Ben Williams, it's great to have you here. And after the show, when you were on last month, You had said something about the importance of, well, freedom versus force, second opinions, because one of our listeners had texted in about many times with her business when somebody comes out regarding plumbing, heating, and cooling, they say you need a new board or something.
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Electrical panel.
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Yeah, yeah. So you had some thoughts on that.
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Yes, I did. I actually want to discuss the pantheon of freedom versus force in the trades.
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Okay, I love that.
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Bonus points there. Well done. So I'm going to start out with a story. This is a true story. A lady gets a call from a guy who says that he's with Xcel Energy. And their records indicate that her air conditioner is no longer compliant. He needs to come out and take a look at it.
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That's another force word.
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It is a force word, yes. And so he and another guy come out. They take a look at the air conditioner. Oh, this has to be replaced. $20,000. Well, fortunately. Is this a true story? This is a true story. Absolutely.
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Okay.
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And fortunately, she's like, let me check around. Well, so here's what happens. You know, we have probably, those of us who are older, we're familiar with the R22 refrigerant. And then they came out with R410A. And it's one of these things that the EPA is driving new refrigerants all the time.
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I think it's another control thing.
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It is. It is. Anyway, unfortunately, it's just one of those things. Well, it's like I mentioned last time, Kim, I know you weren't around, but back when they changed from regular leaded fuel to unleaded fuel. I've heard about it. You've heard about it. That didn't mean you had to go out and buy a brand new car. But as your car ages out, the new ones are made for unleaded fuel, right? Same thing with your furnace, your air conditioner, whatever. There's always code upgrades that are being employed in the new products. But that does not mean that just because this new thing has come out that you have to change everything. So I want to talk about what triggers a code upgrade. So let's say that you get... a new water heater, a new furnace, new air conditioner. Okay, well then that unit, including like the exhaust, the gas line, the wiring to that unit has to be compliant with the new code requirements. Maybe you finish out your basement or you do an addition to your house. That new construction has to comply with the new code, but that doesn't mean you have to go through and rewire the entire house or redo everything. And that's specifically stated in the code, in the building code. If you're doing an addition, you don't have to upgrade the whole thing. It's just the work that you are doing. Also, if there's a change of occupancy, let's say that you decide, you know what, I'm going to convert my – all the kids are grown up and gone. I'm going to convert my single family home to an adult daycare. Okay, well, now we're putting a ramp on the front steps and grab bars and probably a fire suppression system, that type of thing. But if you just sell the house to another single family – It's the same occupancy. Nothing really has to change other than whatever you're doing to sell it. So in the trades, it's really unfortunate. I think greed is something that just drives a lot of the problems in our nation. And a lot of the big companies are purely pursuing monetary gain. And so literally they are telling their employees, don't go out and fix the furnace or the air conditioner. Sell them a new unit. And so the technicians are trained to go out and they'll take a look and say, oh, you know, we can't get parts for this anymore. Or, you know, this is shot. It just needs replaced. Well, this is where as consumers we need to take a minute, check your gut. God gave us a gut feeling for a reason, right? And if something doesn't seem right, Call a trusted neighbor, a friend, call another heat and air conditioning, plumbing company, whatever, and just say, hey, can I just get a second opinion here? But, you know, when it's really interesting that the time that we live in with the Internet and Google and Amazon, if somebody says, oh, you know, we can't even get parts for this anymore. Brad, I don't know if you've got a hand well pump in your backyard, but you can still get leather gaskets for that on Amazon.
SPEAKER 05 :
I'm sure you can. And there's a lot of things, like you just mentioned, information that help people figure out whether or not they're being taken advantage of.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. So whenever somebody comes out and says, oh, if they're bringing pressure and force by saying, this is going to blow up if you don't replace it right now, Literally had a guy go through. The customer called me after this other plumber was there. He offered to do a walk-around inspection in the home and, you know, the little shut-off valves that are by your toilet or your sink faucets. He said, oh, these are all leaking, and if you don't replace them, they're going to blow up. Again, $20,000. Wow. Fortunately, they wanted to check around. And here's the thing. If somebody tells you, oh, this is leaking, you will see water, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
That seems like there would be that cause and effect, right? Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
And, I mean, nobody knows everything about your furnace, your conditioner especially, or your electrical panel. But ask some questions. Get them to explain and show you exactly what they're talking about. And if it doesn't make sense, if something doesn't seem right, just make a call and ask. Fortunately, we are very blessed. My son and I stay busy. But listeners to the Kim Munson Show, you are more than welcome to call or text 303-995-1636. I'm happy to just give you some information and say, yeah, that sounds okay or no. And I want to throw in one last thing. Sometimes things that just seem crazy might be true. Brad, I have a warranty here for a furnace that we installed, and I highlighted on the bottom here. So I want you to read the bottom line first and then the second highlighted line up from that. So if I come out and I'm talking to you about your warranty on your furnace and it seems like, oh, that's crazy. Tell me what we have there, Brad.
SPEAKER 05 :
So it says functional parts term end date is 03-28-2035, 10 years. 10 years.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. How about the next line up on the heat exchanger?
SPEAKER 05 :
It says heat exchanger term end date is 03-28-21-24, 99 years.
SPEAKER 08 :
Now, that's crazy, isn't it? It is absolutely crazy. But this is what the furnaces that we install, they have a 99-year warranty on the heat exchanger. All the parts on your furnace can be replaced, but if the heat exchanger goes, you have to replace the furnace because that's what separates the carbon monoxide, the exhaust fumes from the heat that's going through your house.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Again, what's that number? 303-995-1636.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I know you guys stay very busy, but we're very pleased to have you as partners of the show. And again, that's 303-995-1636. What about one other question? We're looking at getting into warmer weather. Are you doing any air conditioning checks or anything like that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, absolutely. Here's something that's really fascinating. On a nice, cool day like today, you tip on the air conditioner. It runs great. If the capacitor is getting worn, it'll run perfect on a day like today. But when it gets hot and there's a heavier load on it, that capacitor will fail. And so it's important to check the run capacitor. And this can prevent, you know, a crazy call when it's 100 degrees and everybody's, you know, needing service.
SPEAKER 14 :
Everybody's calling 303-995-1636. That's right. So, yeah, and again, it's like all things. Preparation is a great idea. So get things done before everybody else, like you say, and things do happen when it's really hot, but there are things that you can do in your life to make sure that you try to manage those expectations, manage all that. And so we're going to go to break. When we come back, we'll continue the discussion with Ben Williams and Brad Beck. We have all these discussions because of our sponsors, and I wanted to say thank you to Laramie Energy. For their goal sponsorship of the show, it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate, Ben Williams. That is to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. That's right. And also another great sponsor of the show is Karen Levine. We'll talk with her in the next hour, and she can help you with anything residential real estate.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it is a beautiful day in Colorado. And I think you can still come out and join us for the USMC Memorial Foundation. Their golf tournament, Teresa Irby, our partnership liaison, and myself will be out there for lunch. And so go over to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. If you looked at your calendar and you can make it, it would be a great way to support the USMC Memorial Foundation. And it is so important that we remember and honor those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our liberty. In studio with me is a great sponsor, and that's Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. And great information. I really appreciate that. We all need to be learning these things.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, we do.
SPEAKER 14 :
And my good friend, Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters. And Liberty Toastmasters, you started this what year?
SPEAKER 05 :
2000, when is it? I can't remember the year.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's over 10 years ago.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, at least. Yeah.
SPEAKER 1 :
15.
SPEAKER 14 :
15 years. And Liberty Toastmasters is a great tool that people should have in their toolbox regarding communication. And the Denver group meets the first and third Saturdays at the Independence Institute. And then the Longmont or North Northern Colorado meets in Longmont, the second and fourth. And we love having guests. And I've not been getting any attendance awards lately, but I've been out speaking and you've I don't want to embarrass you, but you really helped me get my voice back. I crashed and burned in front of like a thousand people. And I was terrified to get up in front of people.
SPEAKER 05 :
I've done it as well, and that's why we practice. It's like going to the gym and get those muscles. So they're second nature. I mean, we all talk, and yet people are afraid to stand up in front of other people. And we're a safe environment where people can experiment, try things, fail on purpose just to try things to get them out there because you don't want to do it out in the public if you're trying to do something for your business or an organization you're part of. So really helping people find their voice, get the skills they need, get the confidence that they need. And one of the things I love about it, last week in Liberty Toastmasters North, we had a speech-a-thon where we just have speeches. We don't do anything that's extemporaneous, what we call table topics. And so there was six speakers. And Dave Walden, our friend, decided to jump in and do a seventh speech. So they asked for an evaluator. I said, I'll do it. And I ended up winning best evaluator that day. And it was fun because it was just on the spot. You had to listen intently. And the beautiful thing about it is I gave Dave some information that he wasn't aware of. that he can try out his next time he does that speech. And he does it often because he loves talking about money and the value of money and currency in general. So it's a great opportunity for people to try things and be on the spot, be in the moment. And even Ben said, you know, I give speeches occasionally to schools and so forth about his business and so forth. And it's important to be able to do that in a public setting.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and all this will segue together. So yesterday, I had the girls at my house, and there's a really vibrant Tapas and Topics group up in Boulder. And I've not been up there for a while, and I thought the calendar looked like I could make it, so I did. And what an amazing group of women. I just shout out to Jane and what she's doing with everyone. And there were so many girls there that they had to bring in the lawn furniture so everybody could have a seat. And they do a book review every other month. And the book that they reviewed was The Art of the Deal. And I've not read it, but I'm going to read it now. And Julie, who's an author and was at her house, she is a great leader on this. But she one of the things that they took away from it is that Trump is a real listener. And you can see that. I see that sometimes as people are talking and he's really listening. And that is such an important skill. And I can find myself sometimes, I've gotten to be a better listener, but sometimes I'm really thinking about what they just said and I miss the next thing that they do say. I thought, do I need hearing aids? I think I need focus aids is what I need.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it's important to listen and respond in the sense of asking a follow-up question, not waiting your turn to talk. And that's what most of us do. We have an idea and say, oh, we respond to somebody's, you know, just talking. Ask the question about, well, what do you mean by that or where did you get that information? I'm curious, you know, who told you that? And have a conversation, but follow up and maybe even repeat the question, what I heard you say, because it's important to have that understanding to move forward rather than just waiting your turn. Now, I say that my wife will catch me when I get home later, but listening is one of those skills that they don't teach you.
SPEAKER 14 :
and it's important to practice it and that's what we do in toastmasters and that evaluation component i in some ways i think that's more important than the speeches because and i used that when i was on city council and you've talked i think you talk about it in here i do the different the sandwich method which is a very effective way to communicate although you said you like the manure method So let's talk about the essay that we will publish this weekend. And so make sure you're going to get our newsletter. Sign up for that at KimMunson.com. So it's titled Wisdom Listens. So where do you want to start?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, there's an ancient vizier or chief magistrate in ancient Egypt going back, you know, centuries and his name was behotep or tahotep i've heard it pronounced both ways and he said something that really struck me that you may be strong be a craftsman in speech for the strength of one is the tongue and the speech of one is mightier than all fighting And so he was probably one of the oldest written pieces of value, of wisdom that we have till this day, written on papyrus. And I started to go down that rabbit hole of, well, what else did he say? And ancient wisdom to me is fascinating because there's nothing new in the world. You know, you scratch the surface and you keep going and go, wow, you know, these people were smarter than I thought they were. And so he said a series of quotes, and we can talk about each one or I can just list them. But he said, for instance, number one, listening benefits the listener. I thought, boy, that's brilliant. Only speak when you have something worth saying. I've heard that many times. He who listens becomes a master of what is profitable. So in business, you're listening to your customer and finding out what their needs are. And you provide them value by giving them options and opportunities to say yes or let's try this option. So that has a profitable component because they become good customers over time. They trust you. To listen is better than anything. Thus is born perfect love. Beautiful idea. Here's one. Now, you've got to think of the terms of the time, the gods. So in ancient Egypt, they had many, many gods. And this quote is a pantheon of gods. They did. God loves him who listens. He hates those who do not listen. Interesting idea. If he who listens listens fully, then he who listens become he who understands. Interesting. Sounds a little bit more like today's authors who would write something. And then this one's brilliant. If you are a man of authority, be patient when you are listening to the words of a petitioner. Do not dismay him until he has completely unburdened himself of what he has planned to say to you. Listen first to be understood. And that's, you know, given credit today to certain gurus, but it was really talked about by St. Francis Assisi many years ago as well. So Pahotep's maxims have come down over time. There's many, many others. But these ones were focusing on listening. And as you alluded to earlier, in Toastmasters, we do a lot of listening. And oftentimes, we are waiting our turn so badly to interject, we're not listening properly. to that petitioner. We're not listening as an elected official to our constituents. Actively listening, asking follow-up questions. You see this with interviews on the news all the time. They have a list of questions and somebody says something significant and then the interviewer just goes right past it and you go, holy cats, go back and ask a question. But they need to ask their questions because some producer said, hey, here's what I want to get out of this. We need to be better at communicating that fact of listening really helps us be better communicators overall. So when I say I like the manure method, well, for a new Toastmaster, the sandwich technique is giving some praise, offering one or two ways to improve from our perspective as an audience, and then praise so you want the person to come back. I like it to where people dump on me first, give me all the things I'm not doing right because I can't see, and then maybe say, hey, I like this or work on that, and then more manure on top of me. And the reason I do it, I think you grow faster. And the evaluator actually benefits the most because you have three minutes. You listen to somebody speak, and then you have no more than three minutes to give them the feedback initially in our Toastmasters arena. Of course, afterwards, you can talk a little more in depth, but that gives you the opportunity to actively listen and to present a little presentation to your peers and especially the person who spoke.
SPEAKER 14 :
So listening is a skill. And you and I travel in a group of people that are movers.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nerdy. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
But going back to Trump and a bit of our discussion yesterday with Trent Luce, Trent is not a fan of Donald Trump. Would you agree that that comes across on that, Ben Williams?
SPEAKER 12 :
I would agree.
SPEAKER 14 :
He was talking about some of the appointees to Trump's cabinet and some of their past connections. And they are connections, Soros, different – certainly those are big red flags. But I was talking with someone after the show, and she said that – that we got to give Trump a chance. It's only been 100 days. And she said, we have to be careful as we are messaging on all of this, because there are people, Brad, that are just new to the party. When I say new to the party, I mean what's going on in America. They've been You know, focused on taking care of their families and their jobs, creating their businesses. They've realized that something hasn't been right. And Trump, from what I see, is doing so many positive things to get this ship called America turned back around to the proper role of government. So I think we need to have those discussions that we did, Ben. I tell you, it was a lot of mental work. energy for me to try to listen and respond. But I think we've got to have those discussions. We can't just say we're not going to have them, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. And you know what, Kim, I want to share something real quick here. It's fascinating how we are wired in our DNA. Trump is a developer, a businessman. That's what he's all about. If I'm over at somebody's house, I'm always looking at some project. And when I was in kindergarten, second day of kindergarten, I'm down at the bus stop with the kids from the neighborhood. And I was convinced that the bus was not coming. It was late. I kind of have an inner time clock. And I don't know if it was off that day or not, but I just knew the bus was late. So I was convincing all these kids that we needed to walk to school across town, which was a mile away.
SPEAKER 14 :
As a kindergartner.
SPEAKER 08 :
As a kindergartner, second day. And I just about had everybody convinced we were getting ready to take off and here comes the bus. That leadership ability is innately in me, but sometimes I don't make the right decisions. And I'm glad that the general course of our nation is reversing from where it was, but we're going to have some collateral damage along the way. And then, of course, as Pride and greed comes in, you know, with all the people in his administrations and him. He's a human. You know, there's this tendency to maybe not do things just out of pure moral values. And so there's going to be some of that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and that's why I think that, because I thought about it afterwards, what's our North Star? And North Star is my faith, the vision of the Declaration that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, and the Constitution. So let's take a look at the, and the other thing with my faith is, and I was talking with one of the girls last night, is redemption, right? uh so so as we as as trent is looking at these people he's he's making great points about these connections but there's also this thing of redemption because my gosh brad beck i've made some bad decisions in the past and if people only held me to those bad decisions then you can't grow, you can't get this country turned around. So he brings in people with great minds, but we the people have to watch, shed light on it, and all of us have to keep us on that North Star. What do you think about that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it reminds me of our friend again, Dave Walden, who often will say, you know, he's... Often wrong, but never in doubt. And so everybody is fallible. Everybody's human. And we make decisions based on the facts we have. And oftentimes we're right. Oftentimes we're wrong. President Trump listens to people. He always has. I had the opportunity to meet him once in Florida. I was at a convention and just observing him and the people around him. And it started raining and we went into this cabana where there was this bar on one of his properties. And he was just talking to people. This is before he was president and listening to them and interacting with them. And I thought, man, this is different than what I hear in the media. So, you know, there's the perception and then there's the reality. and oftentimes the rhetoric versus the reality and we hear a lot of rhetoric but there are facts and things that are are true and the trust that american people have after going through as i call it the wuhan experience is diminished greatly so our trust meter and our bs meter is really high But our trust is really low. And even institutions like the military, like our educators, we just don't trust people anymore, except when we have a relationship with them over time that's consistent. You know, I trust Kim Munson. If you tell me something, I'm going to pretty much say, hey, you know, Kim knows because she talks to a lot of people and thinks about things. But if I meet somebody on the street and they tell me something, I'm going to say, I don't know. You know, like you said, Ben, you got to gut check yourself. So I think people really have to do their homework. It's incumbent on them to research and to know things and to ask questions and find those trusted experts.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. And so we'll continue this discussion. And it happens because of all of our sponsors. And for everything mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy.
SPEAKER 07 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter, and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Did want to mention the Center for American Values. The kids are going to be out of school soon. We're halfway through May. Can't believe it. And something that should be on your bucket list is get the kids in the car and go to Pueblo to the Center for American Values and just go through the portraits of valor. And Ben Williams, you've been down there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, Kim, I tell you what, that was an amazing experience. I've heard you talk about it. And when we went down there, I'm like, wow, this is a hidden gem in Colorado. They have this beautiful river walk. They had some boats that weren't operating at the time. It looks like you can take a little like Venice. Yes. And the center itself. Oh, my goodness. It is hard to describe, but folks, well, well worth your time and it will impact your kids for life.
SPEAKER 14 :
It will. It will. So that should be on your bucket list. Get more information. Go to AmericanValueCenter.org. That's AmericanValueCenter.org. And I wasn't listening. I always say that, oh, text me. And I got so enthralled in everything. There's a lot coming in here. So, Brad, I'm going to let you talk a little bit more about listening and try to get through some of these things.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, one of the things I love about the Toastmasters experience is you get to hear all kinds of things that normally you wouldn't even pay attention to. You'd say, I'm not interested in that. But somebody telling a story that makes a point, that connects to the audience through the emotion that they bring, really excites me to hear things that I haven't heard before in a way from an experience that I might say, wow, I never thought of that. And that just opens you up to all kinds of things. You know, the great Jimi Hendrix, who was a guitarist and one of the most unique individuals that I've ever listened to, he said something that really is significant. He said, knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens. And so you can know a lot of stuff. And I know a lot of people that know a lot of stuff, and it's interesting. But oftentimes there's always one person in a group that are sitting back just listening to the conversation. And like a Yoda, they come up with these pearls of wisdom. And I've met a lot of Yodas in my life, and I'm just blown away by their listening ability and to take all these different components and people speaking and go, there's a gem. And you just sit there, wait, wait, wait, what did you say? And you're writing down. And Kurt Gerwitz, who is going to be on in a little bit, he had one of those at a meeting recently that I had at Mindbenders. There's other folks who will say things, and I'm like, wow. How did you pull that out of all that conversation? So there's opportunities out there that can start businesses, that start a book, start people having other conversations just by somebody being observant and listening and then coming up with something that is just fascinating. And we all benefit from it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I think that in this day and age, it is so important that we listen to other people. I got into a conversation with someone regarding the J6 thing. And I've done a lot of research on it. I know people that were there that day. And I hadn't really listened and realized. And she's a friend, was just adamant that this was an attack upon the Capitol. And I'm like, no. But I didn't do a good job listening to her. And so it got a little bit heated between her and I. And I realized that I needed to listen to what she was saying and realize she was probably just hearing only one one side of the story. And I didn't listen well enough that I then I apologized and I said, hey, I apologize that I didn't deliver this and I needed to listen more on that. And it's been a. Liberty Toastmasters has really been a big part of my life in learning how to communicate. People will say to me, Kim, you're a good communicator or you're a good listener. I'm thinking, oh, you don't know. I went through a very angry period. I couldn't figure out what was going on. And so I would really recommend that people do things to improve their lives. And one of the things is listening. Brad Beck.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, what's interesting about this is that when you listen more effectively and pause and don't respond right away, but just think about it, a pause like that. And say, well, tell me more about that. Or I've never heard that before. Can you share with me? Because I'm trying to understand. I have my siloed vision or beliefs. And when you affront somebody's beliefs, oftentimes they get confrontational. So you don't want to do that if you want to further a conversation. So in the case of your friend with a J6, you may say... That's interesting. Can you share with me where you got your information? I'd like to see if I can find it. Good point. And then come back and say, have you read anything about that you can share? And oftentimes they can't. So you say, well, you know, I looked into it a little bit. And here's something I've read you might be interested in that offers a different perspective. Can I share it with you? And then maybe we can have coffee and talk about it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Did you have an interaction? I have a subject that I could bring up, but we don't have time for that. But did you have an interaction on an airplane recently with someone?
SPEAKER 05 :
I did. I was reading a book, and this gal who's sitting next to me, who happened to be from Australia, I said, oh, that's an interesting-looking book, the title, and it escapes me right now. And I said, it is. You should read it. And we were talking back and forth, and the next thing you know, she brought up the ideas of guns. And she said, oh, well, you Americans have all these school shootings. Of course, that's what she hears in her country all the time. And, of course, in Australia, they took all the guns away. And I pulled out of my bag a constitution with the declaration in it. And I said, you know, here's something I'd like to give you, and maybe you'll have a little different understanding of why it's important to have firearms. It's not to protect us from wild animals. It's not to go hunting. History has taught us over time that you have to be prepared to defend yourself, whether it's from a perpetrator who's got ill intent or your government. And it's not to say I want to go out and shoot people. It says, hey, when they start coming for you, you have to make the decision whether or not that force by an entity that is supposedly supposed to protect your rights is usurping them, is taking them away. And that's why we have the Second Amendment, is to protect the first and your life, your liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
SPEAKER 14 :
And with that, we're out of time. So I want to say, first of all, thank you to Ben Williams. And you're going to stay for the next hour.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, ma'am. Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Brad Beck, you're going to stay for the next hour as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
I would love to. This is fun.
SPEAKER 14 :
And again, Liberty Toastmasters. How can people get more information about that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Go online, look at toastmasters.org, and then you can link into one of our clubs, Liberty North or Liberty Toastmasters Denver.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we love having guests. And I know that some of our listeners show up.
SPEAKER 05 :
They do, and it's fun.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it's always fun. And we love guests. And you will learn a lot, and you will learn how to listen. And this whole evaluation component that you mentioned served me very well when I was on city council. So thank you to all that you're doing. Our quote for the end of the show, I love this quote from George Washington. And he said this. He said, 99% of failures come from people who make excuses. Or we could also say by people that don't listen.
SPEAKER 1 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
Very good information. I like the listening. That was very good.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. You're listening a lot. That's something that you do as you're running the board. As I'm thinking about it, when things go well, when talk shows on and everything goes well, the producer, all the different little things that go well, it happens because you're listening. And you can take cues from me as well. You've gotten to the point where sometimes you can read my mind. That's an interesting place to be.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's a very interesting place to be. And a really unique piece of this job is having to listen to multiple things at once. Not only am I listening to you and your cues and stuff, but I'm also listening to whatever sounds, how other people are talking and trying to make sure that their volumes are not overpowering your volumes. And it gets kind of neat.
SPEAKER 14 :
well it's important listening and we're we're referencing this because brad beck has in studio and we'll be rolling out this essay that you've written regarding wisdom listens and really great gems of just great gems of gold in there i would say well thank you kim and uh it's always good to listen to other guests and people who uh call in or text in and hear what's on their mind as well yeah And I just want to mention a couple of things. So Richard, the limo guy, he did respond here. And he says, Kim, look, loquacious. Now you're in my wheelhouse because Brad used that in the first hour because what you were saying.
SPEAKER 05 :
My report card when I was in, I think, kindergarten, first grade, said Bradley is loquacious. And I wonder why. I like being on radio. Of course, I have a face for radio, so that's why.
SPEAKER 14 :
And then, Ben Williams, you had a kindergarten story as well. So I guess it's the... Wasn't there a book out that said everything I learned about life I learned in kindergarten?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, great book.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, definitely. And Ben Williams, a new sponsor of the show with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. And we had a listener. Well, let's just go ahead and get right to it. It says, I wrote down this fellow's name and number because he seems honest. He is so right about checking things out. I am by myself a woman when I've had to – have a tree be cut down I had five or six quotes that went from six thousand to one thousand she said I chose the one thousand because the guy done work in the neighborhood and he did the the tree he said um he didn't think that he the quote was high enough but he was very very honest after he did the work and she said honesty is a huge thing for me I totally agree and the the cheapest price is not always the cheapest price i have learned that i i it's important to work with honest people fair price that you want to make sure that brad you and i talk about it all the time value for value and um and so the cheapest price may not be the you know the the cheapest price it's important to work with people that you trust so ben williams again what's that uh phone number for you
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SPEAKER 14 :
I love that. So what's that phone number again?
SPEAKER 08 :
303-995-1636. Okay, great.
SPEAKER 14 :
And our featured guest, let me get over to our featured guest in this hour is Kurt Gerwitz. Professor Kurt Gerwitz, it's great to have you here.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's great to be here. I'm in this pantheon of a room right now. Yes, you are.
SPEAKER 14 :
That is our word of the day is pantheon. And it's spelled P-A-N-T-H-E-O-N. And it could be in Rome. And I've seen it. A circular temple. It could be a temple dedicated to all gods. It could be a group of persons most highly regarded for contributions to their field. Or it could be a bunch of ideas. Or it is a pantheon of people here as well. And we're going to talk about AI. And one of the things you keep mentioning is we often need to talk about legacy. Yes. And I don't know if we'll get to that, but that would be great if we could.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, and I have this weird, if we can get to it, if we can get to that third beat, which we never can, there's a weird intersection between legacy and AI. I love to talk about AI, love to research it. It's a hobby of mine. And I'm a professional public speaker on the subject of legacy. And Brad was mentioning, you know, I gave a presentation to his group the other day and did some really good listening, collected a lot of great wisdom by asking a group of wise old men for their, I should say wise young men.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was going to say, whoa, baby.
SPEAKER 17 :
For all their wisdom. But there's a weird intersection that if we can get to it, we'll get to it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, let's keep that as a cliffhanger. Let's try to make that happen. So, yes, our word of the day is Pantheon. Again, P-A-N-T-H-E-O-N. Our quote of the day is from George Washington, a letter to Edmund Randolph in 1795. regarding truth. He said, there is but one straight course, and that is to seek truth and to pursue it steadily. And we've got someone on the line who I kind of embarrassed her last week because I'd shared something regarding one of our listeners, and she had helped his son and daughter-in-law, and just a really beautiful woman a testament to both karen levine and lauren levy on just the the the integrity that they have in their business karen levine welcome to the show good morning kim and uh i saw you last night it was a pretty robust conversation at my house last night huh a lot to talk about uh definitely and uh and good questions and the questions are how one of your questions was how do we communicate with people that may be only you know looking at these things that are happening in our country through just kind of a singular lens i'm not sure we got the answer on that though totally karen no but it was you know we started the conversation and i think um
SPEAKER 02 :
I'm seeing in the real estate industry uncertainty, and uncertainty is being brought to the forefront because of the stock market being a bit unstable, interest rates hovering around that 7% rate, thinking that if our economy is doing better, interest rates should be improving. And then, of course, the impact of President Trump's tariff policies and i have i have friends and i have friends of friends that have acquaintances and friends and business partners overseas and they're very concerned about their futures and i find it interesting that they're willing maybe to sacrifice their future here in america for those over there and i'm like can't there be a balance So I don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think this was what I went up to the Boulder Topics and Topics yesterday. And a couple of things. A woman said that she was in Portugal. I think it was Portugal. And they got into a cab. And this was before the election. And the cab driver said, oh, you're American. She said, you have to vote for Donald Trump. We need Donald Trump. And so please vote for Donald Trump. And then another person said that they... They had friends, it wasn't you, was it, regarding olive oil and wine? Okay, so tell us about that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and I think the concern is that many of us who have traveled to Greece and to Italy, to Sicily, have businesses that we're supporting that produce olive oil and wine. And the gal that puts together our traveling culinary tours, is concerned about their financial well-being and how much these tariffs will affect their bottom lines. And I think some of the conversation last night was we have helped them be profitable at the expense of our profitability and our financial stability, ours being Americans. And they're not seeing that from the homeland perspective. They're very concerned about their friends, which I think is admirable. But what if it improves things here? You can then go spend more money over there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good point. There's those intangibles on all that. Yes. And so, yes, we're in a time, and we have to get through this. I know it's going to be rocky, but we were headed over a cliff yesterday. And if we go over a cliff, it's going to be real rocky, and people need to realize that. But moving over to the residential real estate market, there is always opportunity. And sometimes the greatest opportunities comes at the time where things seem a little off. And so I think there's great opportunity in the residential real estate market.
SPEAKER 02 :
And that would be a very true statement. When there is uncertainty, for those who are willing to take that little bit of risk, and step out and make a home purchase, in today's market there are sellers who are very motivated and they're willing to negotiate further on their pricing or their concessions than they would be if interest rates were closer to six and you were competing for a house against another half a dozen people. So you take a little risk now. You get into the real estate market and you become a homeowner or you upgrade or you downsize. And you can take advantage of that opportunity today. And over the last, well, our last conversation, several buyers have taken that opportunity over the last 10 days. And I think that that will help them to start building their generational wealth. And they will have a house. They will have shelter and stability. And it's exciting for them.
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So you have helped a lot of people with buying a home, selling a home, or a new build. What's the best way for people to reach you?
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The best way to reach me is to dial 303-877-7516. Give me a call or shoot me a text, and let's start a conversation about your real estate dream.
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And again, that's Karen Levine, 303-877-7516. Karen, I think you and Lauren are going to be in on Monday, right?
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Yes, so we'll have a great conversation then.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. The text line I want to hear from you is 720-605-0647. I wanted to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it's reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And in studio with us is Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, which you help people take care of their own personal climate, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
That is correct.
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Okay. And what's that phone number?
SPEAKER 08 :
303-995-1636. Okay, great.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters. And how can people get information about that?
SPEAKER 05 :
They can call you. Yeah. No, they can go online and look up at Toastmasters.org, and both clubs are there, or any club that is in your local area. But we theme our club meetings so they're a little different, a lot of fun. And I'd give my phone number, but, you know, I don't know if anybody wants to talk to me.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think everybody wants to talk. You've helped a lot of people get their voices. One of the things that happens, though, is people decide they want to run for office. And tell us just a little story about that.
SPEAKER 05 :
It's amazing. People spend so much time and energy and money on their campaign signs and all the peripheral stuff. And then they'll call me the day before they're going to announce that they're running for office and say, hey, can you help me? It's like, good luck. Because you really need the practice. And it's not about the color of your sign if you're running for office. Knowing what you're going to say and being able to articulate it in a sound bite in three minutes and five minutes and an hour. And more importantly... Answering questions, that feedback component, which is really important. We do that in Toastmasters.
SPEAKER 14 :
Is the listening component for sure. That's why people really should have Liberty Toastmasters being a member as a tool in their toolbox. Not only if you're going to run for office, but it can help in communications, just everyday life, business. And again, we'd love to have visitors. And just go to Toastmasters International and put in Liberty Toastmasters.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Toastmasters.org. You know, you come be a member. It's very affordable to be a Toastmasters member. I work for a fee. Instead of free, I took out the R. My wife is teaching me to use that word fee. But Toastmasters, it's very affordable and we have a lot of fun.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, great. Professor Kurt Gerwitz, great to have you here. And we want to talk a little bit about AI. And you're doing public speaking, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, professional public speaker. I'm the legacy catalyst speaker. Best way to find me is just to Google my name.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that is Kurt, K-U-R-T, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, and Gurwitz. You know, really, just do your best. The machines have gotten smart enough. That's our topic for today. The machines have gotten smart enough. If you misspell my last name. You'll probably still find me, but it's G-E-R like Germany and then WITS.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Kurt Gerwitz. We're going to talk about AI. During the break, Ben Williams, you had a good question, and Kurt said, hey, ask me that on the air.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, Professor Kurt, I feel like I'm really pushing the envelope of technology when I send an email or a text. Welcome to 2005. So when you were talking about AI, you know what? I understand there's got to be some benefits, but I just have a hard time even entering that pantheon of new ideas. And how would somebody, you know, if they're a little bit out of touch with some of the newest stuff, how do you kind of... get into using AI?
SPEAKER 17 :
It's a great question. First of all, it's coming at you whether you like it or not. You know, there's a I don't want to be too technical, but there's a bell curve, right? There's a natural distribution of the people who are early adopters. There's a very few early adopters and then There's a large group of like, oh, it's new, and now I'm curious where you're at perhaps right now. And then there's the people who are like, okay, well, I'm forced to do this. Everybody is making me do this. And then there's that – you have one of these in your life, the Luddite who says, I would really rather not have a smartphone. Could we stop the texting? My mom refuses to text, so there's – There's people on the deep end of that. So wherever you are is a good place to be. I'll say that. But you're not going to be able to avoid this. You're going to – like Microsoft, you're touching – when I open up Excel, I use Excel every day. And I open up Excel and now it's like the old Clippy that used to show up and he'd say, it looks like you're writing a letter. And you could – the joke in tech circles was you couldn't get rid of Clippy. There was no way to actually like – Make Clippy stop. And so it's persistent. Well, they're going to do it again. This time Clippy is coming back. I don't know if it's actually going to be Clippy, but there's some version of you're going to be forced. Now, what's Clippy? Clippy was when you opened up Microsoft Word and you started to type a little... paperclip cartoon character would appear on your screen and would say, it looks like you're, and then they would try to be helpful, and it was a little annoying, and it's also kind of cute, and it was like early, this was 1997, not 2005, so early stages of computing. Dial-up. Yeah, I had a friend who could make that noise. I'm going to learn how to make that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well done.
SPEAKER 17 :
Not bad for my first try. So to answer your great question. First of all, it's coming at you. You're not going to be able to avoid it, I think, actually. So all I can do is tell you to kind of open your mind to it. We talked about listening today, and I thought, you know, that there's a downside to listening or there's false listening. And good listening lets you change your heart or change your mind. And so I want you to just kind of approach it open-minded, and I'll say some things that maybe can motivate you a little bit. But I've got an even better answer to your question. You just go to ChatGPT.com, or I'm not even sure that's the website. You just type in ChatGPT into Google, and the company that runs ChatGPT is called OpenAI. And OpenAI, you just click on ChatGPT. They're going to force you to log in. And I usually just log in with Google on these things. And Google's another one. Here's where it's going to show up in your life. You're going to go to Google. And very soon, you're going to go to Google. And instead of having to get a list of 10 bad websites that are trying to answer your question, it just has a summary that answers your question for you. And that's... You're using AI in that instance. That's a chat bot.
SPEAKER 14 :
But I like the idea of a lot of different sources. And we had something that happened with Producer Joe and Producer Luke on Tuesday. And that was we're doing this book review of The Prince. And so the guys were looking at their phones. And the first sentence, what Luke had on his phone, left out the words, at liberty. which I thought were pretty important words, and then changed the word regarding the state to oligarchy. And so I had the written copy, and they had the online version, and it was a big aha. And then again, Richard had said, something came in, said, this is what could happen with AI. You're going to start to see this movement to... just one idea, I guess, if you will, and changing words. Our kids not knowing how to read cursive means that our founding documents, they might not know how to read those. And if you only are doing things on the computer, those things can be changed. And so that's why I'm concerned about it. Also, Gammy said just these AI data centers are going to take a lot of water and a lot of energy. And I'm concerned about that. And then again, I was talking with a friend yesterday, said, well, AI, our data centers, well, what data are they collecting? It's data on us. And so we should be concerned about that, Kurt Gerwitz.
SPEAKER 17 :
That was another thought I had while we were going through the talking about listening. It's listening. yeah right like you know in the early days of computing we would say and this is still true with all data garbage in garbage out you know this if you have a child and you raise them with terrible ideas they're going to be an adult with terrible ideas and so garbage in garbage out is a real problem and the the chat bots that we're talking about is one form of ai there's a lot of different forms of ai there's some really exciting things happening um in ai like There's going to be medical breakthroughs that AI is able to do things that humans cannot. Just like a calculator is so much faster at doing math, AI is faster at processing information. And I actually think – here's my bold statement for today. In the very near future, it's going to be medical malpractice for your doctor to not have consulted AI. But that's not necessarily – that's going to be a completely specialized machine that's different than the chatbots that we're talking about. But, yeah, they are trained on the internet. This is a real problem for intellectual property right now because you can go – my wife actually just did a fun thing. She went to ChatGPT and said, give me lyrics for a song about – and then she did one for our pet bunny rabbit who's a celebrity in our world. And then she did one for my nephew, my godson. And she said, write me a song about that person or that pet. And it prompts you. It asks you a few keywords. Then she takes the lyrics and put it in. I think it's called, it might be Sora, S-O-R-R-A. And it came out with a song like that. Like in less than five minutes, you've got a quality song that's individualized to you. It's good quality. It's fun. For this, it's just entertainment, but it's where did the training data for that robot come from? It's all the world's music that it can find on the internet. They send out spiders. They crawl the internet. It's reading the internet. It's reading Reddit. It's reading the – when I used to describe ChatGPT, I would say it's like – and this is – it's better now. It used to be just having a conversation with a smart enough entity that has read all of Wikipedia. It's like being able to have a conversation with Wikipedia. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. I have some other questions for you, Kurt Gerwitz. Bring it on. I love it. Okay. And again, if you have questions or comments, 720-605-0647. That's 720-605-0647. And we get to do all this because of our sponsors. And very pleased that the Second Syndicate has joined us.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. It is Thursday the 15th, which that means that it is the USMC Memorial Foundation's golf tournament. And I'm going to be out there for lunch. And I think you can still get a ticket and join us. And I think you can do that for sure by going. I say that because I didn't check. I think that you can still buy that lunch ticket on the website at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. But if you can't, I'm sure there's enough food. Come on out to the Ridge in Castle Pines, and we'd love to have you join us. And again, support the USMC Memorial Foundation. In studio with me is a great sponsor of the show, and that is Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. And what's that phone number?
SPEAKER 08 :
303-995-1636. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters. And I love to have guests. And the first and third Saturdays of each month at the Independence Institute. And then the second and fourth in Longmont, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct. And there's a meeting this Saturday down in Denver.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And also we will be rolling out your essay, Wisdom Listens. And so make sure you're signed up for the newsletter that goes out on Sundays. You can do that at kimmunson.com. Kurt Gerwitz, Professor Gerwitz, again, you're speaking as a profession.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, just kurtgerwitz.com or find me on LinkedIn. Just search for Kurt Gerwitz. You'll find me.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And we're talking about AI. And you said you will be able to, for example, your wife was able to put something in and a song was written. What about the creativity of human beings? Are we going to start to get lazy? And then I've heard, your professor, I've heard now that some professors are going back to having their students write their reports in front of them so that they know that they're learning something, that it's not just putting something in and asking AI to do it. So what would you say about that?
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, I got a lot of thought. We got a couple threads here. I mean, a listener chimed in about the data center, the problem with the data centers, and that's real. I do want to talk about that. But I'm going to jump on when you mentioned lazy. We've seen the decline of math skills. Remember when we were kids and our teachers, they probably didn't know they were lying to us, but they said... It's not like a calculator is always going to be within reach, right? And that was the argument for why we had to memorize our multiplication tables, which a lot of students are not memorizing their multiplication tables. And it does bother me and concern me for sure. Well, there are calculators within reach at all times. And then the study I saw that scared me, and this was more than 10 years ago, was that when people use Google, There was a vocabulary called an enhanced conversation. I'm trying to do one right now. An enhanced conversation is where you and I, we no longer – our parents or us in the past, we used to have like an argument about whether something was a fact or not. And now we don't. If you and I have a dispute about a fact, not an opinion or an idea, but a fact, we just go to the Google and we ask it. And it gives us some answer that is sufficient enough for the conversation. It's an enhanced conversation. It's like, oh, we're talking about this. Let's pull up. Joe Rogan made $500 million as a podcaster. He's almost as good as you are, Kim. But he has his guy named Jamie, and he's just like, let's pull that up. And so information is at our fingertips. And the study showed that even though our conversations are actually better because there's more fact – they're more fact-based instead of just having to believe Aunt Agnes who's lying – Now we can bring receipts.
SPEAKER 14 :
How does that go when you say, hey, Aunt Agnes, you're lying. How does that go?
SPEAKER 17 :
I call mine Gladys. I actually have a program on my phone. I say, hey, Siri, let me talk to Gladys, and it brings up ChatGPT. So I'm asking one robot to bring up the other one. But it actually, what we did find, the studies showed that we actually retain less. So our memorization goes down. So our retention of ideas goes down. But it's our processing, it's our analytical thinking can still be, it's in stronger and enhanced. So there's actually, there's a terrible trade-off happening here. And you're absolutely right about the dangers of AI is that we are going to lose a lot of facilities around critical thinking or, and you had said something about like someone said something and whether, you know, we want to be good listeners. That's our theme for today. But boy, you also want to be critical listeners. Mm-hmm. And and there is a concern about what does what does.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, let's think about COVID. OK, so so you go and you ask this. Yeah. But but you had those that were shutting down voices, those that were shutting down, getting other opinions. And Google and Microsoft was some among those. So. What do we do about that? Because if all they're putting in, if we get to a point where, oh yeah, we get a lot of information, I can even see that sometimes that I'll search for something and I know that there's a different opinion and I can't find it. Brad, what's your thoughts about this?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I always push back, but I use different AI search engines. So I use Perplexity. I use Grok just because of that, to get a different perspective on where they're pulling information. And the one I use more consistently is Perplexity because it cites its sources. And I appreciate that and click on the little numbers that when they state something and then find the source and then go down that rabbit hole and say, oh, who wrote this? Where are they pulling it from? So it's no different than any other query in a search engine, Google or DuckDuckGo or whatever you use. You have to be critical and then ask the second question and then the third question. And keep inquiring. And I mentioned to Kirk that there's a book that recently, almost I'm done, called Brave New World by Solomon Kahn. Brave New Words. I'm sorry, Brave New Words. He was the creator of the Kahn Academy. And they're talking about education and AI. And they were one of the first to integrate AI as a tutor. And it's fascinating what they've been able to accomplish. And they don't give the answers to the student. They have the conversation with the student so they can record what the work is. And then the instructor can say, ah, so-and-so is actually doing the work as opposed to downloading something, a paper that they got from a variety of sources and turning that in. There's a way to use it. And even parents have a conversation with through AI to get better at inquiry and instructors as well. So it's a fascinating opportunity. We're using it today, as Kirk will attest to, and we don't even know it. If you're using Grammarly and your Word documents or pretty much any aspect of our lives, it's embedded in things. And I think we need to be on the edge of that technology because it's going to be leaving us behind, as Kirk mentioned.
SPEAKER 17 :
So as a teacher in college, we have this real question. I'm not going to call it a problem because every time there's a problem, there's also an opportunity. And there is a problem. It's a question of the students are turning in. work that the ai did if you if you just go to chat gbt and say give me a 500 word essay on insert any subject there it will impress you if if you're not if you haven't done that go do it and and just embrace the fear know that you're okay we're gonna be okay we're gonna live through this um because it will it's it the answer is it's it's creepy it feels scary well as a teacher You're grading these things. And so teachers now have tools. They came from these companies that gave us the textbooks, that gave us the learning management system software that we already have. And they're like, hey, you can use AI. Just submit your student's work, and you can use AI to grade it. And so now what we have is we have students turning in AI, teachers grading with AI. And it is a reality in education today.
SPEAKER 14 :
But then everybody's getting lazy. Yeah. And mentally, they're not doing the work. And so what happens? Are we going to just be a bunch of dumb people?
SPEAKER 17 :
That's a great question. I mean, I think you're asking a better question than you realize.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, okay. Well, good. So what's the answer?
SPEAKER 17 :
The answer is, like, people are always going to choose. You know, Brad reads a ton. I know. I look at YouTube videos a ton. Well, Brad and I, what we have in common is curiosity. And you find the people who don't have the curiosity, and the scary part is they vote. And, yeah, like, there's a real risk of people becoming dumber. But the truth is is that in IQ tests through time, over more than 100 years, we've been taking IQ tests in America. They've gone up. The concept of a of a percentage like that one one hundredth of a thing is pretty that like we could all just talk about that but 50 years ago 100 years ago it wasn't common that people did that you know there's always been a fear of the the new next thing we pull a lot of humans off of farms if you look at what people did for a living for centuries millennia it's they created food like uh like like your friend Trent Luce does.
SPEAKER 14 :
And but now remember, I'm a farm girl.
SPEAKER 17 :
Am I lazy because I drive a car? Yeah, I didn't walk here. I didn't even ride my bike like I should. But I yeah, like so there's always going to be a choice. We're going to we're still going to choose to do hard things because it's fun to for you. It's there's a reward at the end of it. And there's always going to be a competition of human capability. Actually, there's a risk to that, too, because the risk of AI is that when we get to what is called general, when we throw the word general into AI, you get AGI, artificial general intelligence. That's when we've got a machine that can do basically what an average human can do cognitively, but just better. Then we're in trouble.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. So I've got some things, of course, I need to ask you about. So we'll continue this discussion. In studio is Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters. Professor Kurt Gerwitz. And these are important discussions. They happen because of our sponsors. If you've been injured, reach out to John Bozen at Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And the nonprofit that I dearly love is the Center for American Values located down in Pueblo. And they do several things. They have their Portraits of Valor honoring our Medal of Honor recipients. They're going to have an On Values presentation May 28th in honor of Memorial Day. And then they have some great educational programs for kids K through 12. And Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, you made it down to the center.
SPEAKER 08 :
It was fantastic. And yeah, if you guys haven't been down there, definitely make it a priority to get down there.
SPEAKER 14 :
And May 28th would be a great day because there's going to be a great presentation. So that website is AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. And Brad Beck, I don't think you've been down there yet. Although I was saying during one of the breaks, as Kurt said, you read. And then last time you were in, you said that you hand water your grass as we're getting ready for spring and that you had the greenest grass on the block. I'm thinking, how How does he have time for that? And then you're everywhere. How is that? Are you a clone? Are you an AI here?
SPEAKER 05 :
I am an AI. Actually, I love the term AI and I've done several speeches and I use the term AI to track people, but I talk about actual intelligence, American individualism, American ideas. So AI is an interesting combination of taking all the information out there. It's how you use it and don't be afraid of it because it's going to help our lives. There's always that nefarious aspect of it, any new technology, but I think people who really invest some time and look at it will be fascinated about how quick you can get information, knowledge, to use as wisdom eventually.
SPEAKER 14 :
So Kurt, Professor Kurt, you made the statement that our IQs have gone up. I don't know if I believe that or not, but my grandmother, and again, I come from a long line of farmers, and she was a pretty amazing woman, 24 grandchildren in the family. And she It used to be that women would be judged on what kind of housekeeper they are. She kept a pretty spotless house as well. But her eighth grade education, I would encourage everybody to go and search for eighth grade final exam from 1895 from Saline County, Kansas. And so these are all the questions. But so grammar, I'll just give you the first thing that they had to do. There are seven things that they had to do and they had an hour to do it. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters. Can we do that?
SPEAKER 17 :
I'm out. I could probably get to like seven.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Next thing, arithmetic. Name and define the fundamental rules of arithmetic. Okay. Okay. U.S. history. Give the epics into which U.S. history is divided. These are just the first questions. You had 45 minutes for all those. I don't even know what this is, I don't think. Orthography. You probably know, Kurt. But it says, what is meant by the following? Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, entomology, and syllabication. They knew this. They didn't have a computer. Geography. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend? That's eighth grade. And so when people used to have an eighth-grade education, these are the people then that they could do stuff. And in World War II, they said that the American soldier could do almost anything. And these were people coming off the farms and the ranches.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think we're missing something there. Okay. I like this narrative. I don't want to challenge it too much. But I want to say there's probably a gap of, like, There's knowledge that our eighth graders have today, and some of that is like how to type or how to use a computer or how to look something up on Google. I'm going to come up with something that hopefully is reasonable to say here. But it's like there's a new skill set. During the break, we were talking about cavemen used their full brains and had to think through problems every day. They just had different problems than what we have today. They knew which plants they could eat. They knew the vibrations of the ground.
SPEAKER 14 :
And they've probably figured that out from observation. They saw their buddy ate something and didn't survive. So they're like, I'm not going to eat that, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, yeah. I mean, at both the micro level you just described and also at a cultural level. See, what... What we don't want to lose sight of here is that we all, no matter, as smart as we are, this civilization and the people in this room, some of the smartest people on planet Earth that have ever lived, true story. And we have, like, we have at our fingertips, we have the human body of knowledge. And now with AI, we have somebody who can make it make sense to us and give it to us.
SPEAKER 14 :
But who's making that decision? That's the thing that I'm concerned about.
SPEAKER 17 :
You should be. And Brad mentioned that there's lots of different companies doing this. So Google got in a lot of trouble because there's one of the – it's not a chat bot, but it's a text-to-image generator in AI. You type in words, and it gives you an image. And again, there's some real intellectual property questions about that. But when you would go to Google and you type in founding fathers of the United States, it was a little too woke, and they would show you African-Americans, and they would show you – Native Americans. And they, and that room was not filled. It was white men from mostly from England probably. And, and so Google took a lot of heat for that. Well, Elon Musk is against that. And so he created, and Brad mentioned Grok. And so it's, it's the Twitter equivalent, Twitter's chasing an AI as is Tesla to self-drive the cars. But the Grok is designed to give you a the truth above political correctness. And so they're competing.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that's what we want is competition, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and you do want that, and that brings with it the downside. There's complexity. So Brad had mentioned perplexity. That was one of my favorite AIs for a while, and one of the bigger AIs is going to eat their lunch when they just start doing what perplexity does, is it gives you the source. It tells you where on the internet it got the information from. We do have a real problem in AI. We've got a couple problems. One is there is actual hallucinations. The way it's doing the... calculation is it's it's really just sophisticated auto complete they're guessing at what the next the machine is guessing at what the next word is and it's surprisingly accurate and scary and it's past the turning it can pass for humans and um but it's so there's a question of like if you ask it i asked it when it first came out i said the spanish word el dia is it masculine feminine word the correct answer is it's a masculine word it's el dia, the day in Spanish, but it ends in a, so it kind of breaks one of the grammar rules. And the AI told me three times in a row that it feminine word. So it's just wrong. And it comes out confident. So it really is a threat. There's a classic story of a guy, a lawyer who lost his license. He lost his career because he went before a judge and had a case law that had come from AI that was fabricated. We call it hallucination. And what his problem was is that when the judge questioned it, he doubled down and was like, no, he just went in pounding his fist with confidence and said no this is true case law and then when they found out that it's not and where he got it from then he lost his law license so there's there's a whole new world of so like for our eighth graders to be able to navigate you know to in eighth grade your i would suppose that your grandma if she was told something by her teacher she believed it And now we want our students, and you will agree with me on this, that our eighth grade teachers, maybe if they have an opinion about American history, maybe you want that kid asking their parents. Also, you want them challenging the narratives that are being put out there.
SPEAKER 14 :
This is super interesting, Kurt Gerwitz, and I appreciate that. And next time we're going to talk about legacy. That is one of the things that you wanted to talk about, so we'll do that next time. So as always, you're a great sport on all this. I greatly appreciate it.
SPEAKER 17 :
I look forward to having you on my podcast, and we'll go for three hours on this.
SPEAKER 14 :
We'll do the whole Joe Rogan thing, that's for sure. Again, how can people get more information about your speaking and all that?
SPEAKER 17 :
Just do your best to spell my name and put it into the, I guess it's AI now. Everything's AI now. I would say put it into the Google. Find me on LinkedIn is one of the best ways. Kurt Gerwitz or it's kurtgerwitz.com. My email is kurt at gerwitz.com.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we'll do this again next month.
SPEAKER 17 :
Sounds good.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. And Ben Williams, great to have you here. Great to have you as a new sponsor of the show. And I think you kind of like this. Are you enjoying this?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, this is great. I am learning so much. Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that's what we're trying to do on the show is to help people start to think about different things. And, again, you guys get a lot. It's primarily referral business. We really appreciate having you as a sponsor. And for Kim Munson Show listeners, you'd love to hear from them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, and I'm old-fashioned. I still use the phone, 303-995-1636, call or text.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and text is probably best.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's much easier if my hands are busy doing something, yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and Brad Beck, Liberty Toastmasters, and we'll be rolling out your piece, Wisdom Listens. Your final thought on all this?
SPEAKER 05 :
This is great. I love the interaction, and as Jimi Hendrix said, knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Liberty Toastmasters, we love guests.
SPEAKER 05 :
We do, and you can go to liberty.toastmasters.org and find both clubs.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And our quote for the end of the show, I went to George Washington, and he said this. He said, "...99% of failures come from people who make excuses." So today, my friends, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And we're getting very close to... Memorial Day. And something that you should do is make sure you check out the Center for American Values. That is AmericanValuesCenter.org. And they will be having something for Memorial Day on the 28th. And then also the USMC Memorial Foundation will be having something to honor our veterans, excuse me, for Memorial Day. It's for those that have given their lives for us. And you can get more information on that by going to USMCMemorialFoundation.org. And we will talk to you tomorrow.
SPEAKER 10 :
Talking about freedom.
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In this episode of the Best Stocks Now show, host Bill Gunderson provides a thorough analysis of the latest stock market developments. Delve into the unfolding story of Nvidia's business expansion into the United Arab Emirates, alongside the challenges faced by UnitedHealth Group in the wake of Medicare fraud investigations. This episode offers a well-rounded perspective on the latest economic indicators, revealing their implications on retail sales, interest rates, and jobless claims. Listeners will appreciate Gunderson's expertise as he explains market dynamics, investor sentiments, and company-specific growth stories. From Trump's latest conversations with Tim Cook at Apple to breakthrough developments on rare earth minerals, this episode equips investors with essential knowledge and strategic insights relevant to navigating the market. Gunderson’s discussion is not only insightful but also strategic, providing listeners with a firm grasp of what lies on the horizon in finance.
SPEAKER 01 :
He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gunderson Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gunderson.
SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome to the Thursday. It's Thursday already. It is the May 15th live edition of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management, a nationwide fee-based only money management firm. And we've got a little bit of a pause in the market today. We've had a pretty good run here. Today the Dow is down 93 points so far, but it's clear up at 41,957 these days. Meanwhile, the NASDAQ is down 109. Cisco reported last night and a few others. Core, Weave, we'll look into those in a bit. The NASDAQ is at 19,041, headed back to its old high of 20,200 maybe. We'll see. The S&P 500 is down 11. It's at 58.81 today. Small caps are down about 35 basis points here so far today. I did notice the bond market the 10-year was down a little bit, down about 4 or 5 basis points, but we're at 4.48. I noticed a big jump in the 2-year, however. 25 basis points yesterday, and we're clear back to 4.01. That's not a bad return on a two-year U.S. Treasury. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. And I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. We're packing our bags over the weekend for the Cleveland area, our first foray into – it's the third stop on our road trip so far this year. Is it third or second? I can't remember. I lose track.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well – Our first one was a stay-at-home when we had the team come here. And then, of course, we went to Sarasota and then headed to Cleveland.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, and then our next trip is Lakewood Ranch, back to Lakewood Ranch. We're going to do a blockbuster workshop down there. on a Tuesday night. I think it's June 10th is what it works out to be at the Grove in Lakewood Ranch. And then we're going to head on out to the Detroit area, the Bloomfield Hills area in Michigan. So we've got a fun trip. The Sugar Magnolia bus is loaded up, and all you deadheads, gunderheads can get ready for us coming to your town this year on the 2025 Best Stocks Now Tour. Alright, let's see what we've got going on here. Yesterday was kind of a mixed day, but it was a good day for tech. The NASDAQ was up three quarters of a percent. I would say NVIDIA for me was the stock of the day yesterday. It continues to break out. They got quite a few hurdles, quite a few obstacles taken out of their way recently with the thawing of the big freeze with China. That helps, number one. Number two, Saudi Arabia is going to make – or Saudi Arabia and I believe also – Not Abu Dhabi, but Qatar going to make a big deal with NVIDIA. You know, Trump should get a commission from NVIDIA, from Boeing. He's one of the best salesmen I've ever seen selling America, American-made products. And they continue. Also, defense. The defense company is getting a lot of business. Boeing really getting a lot of business out of Trump. He should become a commissioned salesman there at Boeing. European markets dip as trade talk rally fades. Okay, I haven't really heard any updates on our trade talks with Europe. The EU, of course, UK was a slam dunk. It's done. UK not a part of that EU, obviously, after Brexit. And now we've got the EU to deal with. I really haven't heard any updates on how we're doing with Europe, with a trade deal in Europe. That would be the next big one. to bag, if possible. But anyways, the European markets are settling in here today. We've had several earnings reports, big one from Walmart. We'll go over that. There's a big deal in the sporting goods industry, the shoe stocks. There's some crazy history there with Foot Locker. If my memory serves me right, Foot Locker is all that survived from the Woolworth days. I'll have to look that up, but I'm pretty sure that was the story. And now Foot Locker is going to be bought out by Dick's Sporting Goods. Some big earnings from China.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's kind of interesting, though. Obviously, one of those tends to be in a mall, right, would be Foot Locker versus Dick's Sporting Goods. A lot of stand-alone stores and also kind of a strip mall-ish presence. So it will be interesting to see how that builds together.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, as the mall slowly fades into the sunset and becomes a new venue. They're trying to reinvent the mall. but I remember going into foot lockers you know almost every mall had one and the sales people would wear referee shirts you know and a whistle around their neck if the shoe didn't fit they'd blow the whistle on you or something and But it's kind of a dying franchise, really. I mean, how many people now are ordering shoes online? I can't remember the last time I was in a shoe store. I know my size. I don't need to try them on. And if they squeeze my toes a little bit, I can send them back and get the new ones. But I've done all my shoe buys online for the last several years, so I can't see really the shoe business being a very good one. But Foot Locker, ante'd up, writing a big check to Foot Locker. I mean, Dick's Sporting Goods to Foot Locker. Okay, the good news is, headline, Producer Price Index. PPI, which is the follow-up to the Consumer Price Index, which came in very mellow this week. The producer prices unexpectedly fell on a monthly basis in April. But yet, Jerome Powell, what is his problem? He's out there with hawkish talk this morning. uh... he's pretty much kind of a pessimistic kind of guy i guess that's the nature of the beast most economists are known as the dismal science for a reason yeah you don't want to go out to dinner with an economist you know the salad is going to be wilted the appetizers the service is going to be lousy the food is going to be lousy if you go out with an economist but jerome powell he never has anything good to say it seems like Even though inflation looks to be vanishing from the scene. Now, Walmart did come out and say, expect higher prices. They're going to have to start raising their prices because there still is a stiff tariff on China. I mean, it's not 145%. It's 30% on China, and it may be sticky in that 30% range for a while, and Walmart will be passing along a lot of that to consumers. But the PPI fell, which is good. Stripping out volatile food and energy costs. Core PPI fell 0.4% from a month earlier. I say it's time for a rate cut. But I heard an interview with Jamie Dimon this morning, and he's saying December. Maybe, you know, right before Christmas, Jerome Powell the Grinch will come forward and give us 25 basis points, the old crumb legend.
SPEAKER 04 :
Kind of makes sense. I mean, I guess, remember, we were talking about there's basically two, you know, you had three cuts priced in, and now it's essentially with the deal with China. Now there's two cuts priced in, and, of course, you know, Jamie Dimon sounds like he's on the quarter point, you know, one this year train. But, yeah, I mean, you don't think, you know, be... It would be surprising if the Fed, I guess, kind of gives us a bit of a boost before the fourth quarter.
SPEAKER 03 :
Jamie Dimon seems to always be a little bit on the pessimistic side, too. I think that's the nature of a banker. They're always worried about someone running out on their loan and not paying them back. Only millions of people have got loans with J.P. Morgan. So I'm sure he wakes up every morning a little bit worried about how the bank's going to do today. Anyways, initial jobless claims, that's another good number there. I mean, look, the numbers are getting better, not worse, which many said were going to happen under Trump. But for Trump fans, they have a lot to cheer about. For the people that don't like Trump, they've got a lot to chew their fingernails over because the numbers have been getting better. Initial jobless claims were 229K. That's down from the four-week moving average of $230K. And, you know, company after company announcing billion-dollar plans to build factories in the U.S., and that only bodes well for the future of the jobs market. And some interesting exchange between Trump and Tim Cook over in Qatar yesterday. We'll talk about that when we come back.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Stocks Now show. A couple other macro numbers coming in today on the nation's economy. The New York State Manufacturing Index drops again in May. They need Trump back there in New York, I guess, with the salesman that he is. The Empire State Manufacturing Index, little changed at minus 9.2. I never pay much credence to those. You know, you've got the Philly Fed and you've got the New York Manufacturing and this and that, the Empire State, etc. But things not going as robustly in New York as they should be. April retail sales slightly beat. Core measures trail consensus. Well, you know what? That doesn't surprise me because we had a lot of front running. I think it's going to get worse. I think the retail sales are probably going to fall off a cliff, Barry, here, now that the trade deal is at least phase one of the Chinese trade deal. But that's why we had the huge numbers.
SPEAKER 04 :
in the first quarter of the year and i think that's why we had such a good earning season i think that was a big part of it was the front running getting ahead of the tariffs right and we'll get it yeah agreed and we'll get a good idea i think we've got some of the retailers right uh i think i think they're coming up here uh pretty quickly they're usually the latter part of uh of earning season and they'll give us some insights but yeah i would agree i mean you think uh you know some of that is Those sales were pulled forward, and we'll see it'll probably be softer. It basically just makes the data dirtier, right, in terms of the distribution. The average might be the same.
SPEAKER 03 :
You've got to average the two quarters together.
SPEAKER 04 :
But I will say, sentiment-wise, you talked about... In terms of pessimism and everything else, I did see where bearish sentiment fell below 50% for the first time in 11 weeks when you look at the American Association of Individual Investors. A lot of times that can be a contrarian indicator, but sentiment-wise it goes to show you that at least some investors are not thinking we're falling off a cliff anymore.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, when it was the most bearish, that was the best time to buy about five weeks ago. I remember how bearish that sentiment was. Now, can it get any worse? Speaking of bearish, can it get any worse for UnitedHealth Group? Look at that again today.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was doing the math over here. 57% since I believe it was mid-April.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the bad news is it's a member of the Dow Jones Industrial Average. What now? Well, you had the CEO resign last week. For personal reasons. Well, maybe those personal reasons might have something to do with criminal investigation. I don't know, but they're being probed by the Department of Justice for potential Medicare fraud. Maybe that was turned up by Doge. I don't know. They did go through Medicare. They found a lot of people that were getting benefits that are 137 years old or 150 years old, people that didn't qualify for Medicare benefits. Maybe Doge turned that up. But now they're finding fraud. Was UnitedHealthcare defrauding Medicare? That would be a really bad thing. but they're under investigation by the Department of Justice. The probe is centered around the insurer's Medicare Advantage business. That's the add-on, right, to Social Security, the Advantage business. This stock is down today 17% on top of all of the other drops. And, of course, you've got a guy sitting in prison that murdered the second in command at UnitedHealthcare. You have the CEO that resigned. And now you also have a group of shareholders suing the company, alleging it hit the business impact from the backlash surrounding the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. And in February, the DOJ reportedly launched another probe into the Mergers and Acquisition Division business, practices that allegedly included adding diagnoses to receive extra Medicare benefits, or the MA Division business, not Mergers and Acquisition. Can you believe this? Medicare Advantage.
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Padding the bill there. Yes. I mean, since April 11th, okay, the stock was talking about the movement. And this is a name that historically should be a defensive name. And it's at $600 basically on April 11th. It now sits at $255. So a 57% drop in just over a month.
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Well, you know, I'm sure the single-payer people that want the government to take over the health care system 100% have some cannon fodder there to try to promote single-payer like they have in Canada, like they have in Europe. But anyways, that's not good for the whole industry, okay? Now, here's NVIDIA, another big deal. U.S. nears a deal to allow the United Arab Emirates millions of NVIDIA AI chips. Now, I read something yesterday that I really didn't realize, but when a guy like me, just an idiot like me or you, Barry, go on and ask ChatGPT a question, we're part of that need for high-speed chips. We don't want to wait until tomorrow for an answer. To get the answer. We don't want to wait an hour to get the answer. We want the answer within seconds, and therein... is the reason why the high-speed chips one of the main reasons some computer is worrying somewhere in some data center or a budget connected data centers to get you the answer you're looking for as it searches the web for all the information it can gather on the question you just asked it so anyways millions of Nvidia chips to the United Arab Emirates NVDA today is down a little bit but that's been one of the best looking stocks in the entire market recently And it's still only trading at about 25 times forward earnings, which ain't bad. I see it getting back to its old high easily at 153. It's at 133 now. You're back to $3.3 trillion. Microsoft is just barely behind Microsoft right now. And Apple, which has been moving up lately, it's at 3.1. So NVIDIA has now passed Apple. and is breathing down Microsoft's neck as the largest U.S. buy market capitalization in the world right now. And speaking of Apple, Trump took Tim Cook aside. You know, this trip to the Middle East, a lot of CEOs are there, business executives. I mean, this is not only a foreign policy trip, a hopefully peacemaking trip, but also a business trip. There's some money in the United Arab Emirates and in Saudi Arabia. And the sovereign wealth fund of both of those countries are huge. Trump had an interesting conversation with Tim Cook. We'll get to that. That's going to be our first story when we come back. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services, call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show. And back here to the second half of today's Best Docs Now. President Trump said he had a little problem with Tim Cook yesterday. Speaking with him, he had a little discussion. And he says, hey Tim, you're building all over India. I don't want you building in India. As a result of their conversation, Trump said Apple will be upping their production in the United States. Now, here's the question, Barry. How much of Apple's production of iPhones occurs in the United States?
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Of iPhones? I would say... Five percent.
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You're way off. Nothing. Nothing. Not a thing is built here in the U.S. Maybe we should boycott and buy. Well, I'm sure Samsung's are built elsewhere. Huawei's are certainly. But he noted that. You know, India is one of the highest tariff barriers in the world, and it's difficult to sell U.S. goods in India. Obviously, India is negotiating with us to reduce tariffs. We do kind of have the framework of a trade agreement, but last I saw, probably the final one won't be until fall. But Trump's comments could potentially impact Apple's plans, which aims to import most of the iPhones itself in the U.S. from India by the end of next year, pivoting its manufacturing beyond China. Apple still makes most of its iPhones in China and has no smartphone manufacturing in the U.S. So anyways, it was reported on Wednesday, Foxconn, which builds Apple iPhones, that's a Chinese company, they got approval from India to construct a half a billion dollar fabrication plant in India. And, of course, I'm sure Trump would have liked to have seen that in Duluth, Minnesota, or Indianapolis, or Austin, Texas, anywhere. But India, that's a big factory. A majority of Indian-made iPhones are assembled at the factory in southern India. So anyways, we'll see how much of the production comes to the U.S. after Trump met with – he's just going around. I mean, he's making deals in the hallways over there.
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It's interesting because you've got – I mean, if you're Apple, right, it's like, okay. I'm making them in China. Okay, we're going to have tariffs there, so we need to move to India. And then maybe they get a deal in India. And then, of course, now we've got to pause in China. So strategy-wise, it's got to be a little bit tricky.
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Yes. OK, now, while he's making deals with Tim Cook in the hallways, he's nearing a nuclear deal with Iran. OK, this is something that kind of has been neglected. And Iran just continues to, you know, enrich uranium. But apparently he's getting close to a deal with them. And meanwhile, over in China, they're lifting curbs on the export of rare earth minerals. Of course, that came about since Trump. That was one of their ways of retaliating against our tariffs. It shows you the importance of these rare earth minerals. You know, we're not seeing much in the way of progress here in the U.S. You've got companies looking under the ocean, TMC Metals. You've got MP Materials looking in the Las Vegas, just south of Las Vegas there. You've got mining companies in Utah and in Colorado searching for rare earth minerals. I guess it's like fighting a needle in a haystack, but it shows you the importance of these.
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Yeah, and I've been following this for a little while, and the tricky thing, too, is not just finding them, but being able to refine them and where they're refined and, you know, You can find them in certain parts of the world, but a majority of them are actually refined in China. So it's one thing to find them, then you've actually got to do something with them.
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Yeah, well, we read about a company in Indiana that's amping up their refining of rare earth minerals. Exactly. So we're at least addressing this issue. and getting it under control because the future of technology very much... And then, last but not least, and we'll get to some individual stocks here, they're going to talk Turkey and Turkey. Putin's not going to be there. I'd be a little bit afraid for my life showing up there with face-to-face with Zelensky. But those talks are going to take place, I believe, today, where they're trying to work out some kind of a peace deal.
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Yeah, I think Zelensky's already arrived.
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headline um then one last sounds like when did putin back out i knew i knew he wasn't gonna be there personally gotcha he will not attend i i you know i don't play boeing and last boeing gets a 96 billion dollar deal with cutter airways So Boeing stock is breaking out, okay? Boeing stock is breaking out. Okay, in the meantime, market pundit Steve Cohen, he warns of market complacency. He thinks stocks look pricey. I would agree with that. They're pricey. They weren't five or six weeks ago. Now you have to look harder. It's not as tough as finding rare earth minerals. There's still good stocks out there. I see a lot of little pockets of good value out there. We mentioned Nvidia just a while ago. But, of course, Steve Cohen, he's the big guy. He owns the New York Mets. His Mets are in first place. He estimates the likelihood of a U.S. recession at 45%. He tends to be a little bit on the bearish side. His hedge fund is .72. It's done rather well over the years. You just don't go out and buy the New York Mets franchise. So anyways, that's Steve Cohen. Now this Foot Locker deal. Foot Locker's up 81% today. Who saw that coming? But if I remember right, you can look up Foot Locker on Wikipedia, Barry, and see if that was what was left over of Woolworth's. Woolworth's Department Stores, which I can remember going into as a kid. Down Sound San Diego had one of the classic old Woolworth department stores with the wooden floors and everything. It was like an old time retailer going back to Sears and Roebuck days. And five and dime days. And I think the only profitable thing they have left in the end was their shoe portion.
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Yeah, the shoe. You had Champ Sports and Foot Locker. I think there's still Champs every once in a while. I've seen a few Champs around. I always think it's a Foot Locker, but instead, you get closer, it's like, oh, it's a Champs. But they're both actually... They created those, I'm looking at it here, Woolworths created those specialty stores in the 80s.
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Yeah, and then they renamed Woolworth Foot Locker when Woolworths started to close down. So that's what's left of Woolworths department stores. Dick's Sporting Good Steps up to the plate, $2.4 billion all stock. $24 per share, a big premium. I wish I'd have saw that one coming. That's a big move for a footlocker today. Walmart beats top line and bottom line estimates. Okay, they were one of the ones in the headlights of the tariffs, but Walmart is now down 2.2%. on the day but you don't look at their growth ok their sales were up three percent year-over-year three percent single-digit grower no question about it uh... they need that india market they need to get into that india market maybe uh... we can get some apple factories here and And Walmart's in India. And Walmart earnings were up 2%, 2% year over year. That's why you won't find Walmart in any of our portfolios here at Gunderson Capital. I know it does well. The stock has done okay. And it does well, you know, when NVIDIA is selling off or, you know, one of the hot AI stocks, Walmart's doing well. But at the bottom of the day, at the end of the day, it's a single digit grower. It's a single digit grower. But you will see it in almost 99% of the portfolios that come from Wall Street firms. They love big household names like that to own in their portfolios. I've said that many, many times. And Walmart is probably the biggest core position in the world uh... so walmart was up but now it's down and they are warning u.s. consumers may see higher prices i'm sure that's got jerome powell uh... all hot and bothered that's inflationary i doubt though that it will be on a lot of their products but even at the reduced tariff levels walmart is warning u.s. consumers that you may see higher prices Anyways, Walmart is trying to move towards a very more AI-friendly company and faster types of deliveries and whatnot. They're developing stores of the future, but it's still a single-digit grower. We'll be right back.
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You gotta go where you want to go.
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Docs Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. We are a nationwide fee-based only investment advisory firm. You know, not only do we do the planning end of things, but we also do the management of the money. That's a pretty good marriage, I think, Barry. Most firms like us farm out the money management.
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We end up with a disconnect, right? You end up with a disconnect in terms of what is going on in the portfolio and why. There could be a perfectly good reason why, but if you're not in the mix, or in my opinion, if you're not in the mix and living it, day in and day out, then you may not really know what's going on in the background.
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And they farm out the money management to big ETF firms that own huge swaths, basically, indexes.
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Well, I was looking at 90% of what we talked about yesterday. UnitedHealth, 90% of institutional ownership is owned.
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That company is held. It's a huge amount.
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Walmart's the same way. Over half of the value has disappeared in a month and a few days.
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But they don't make any changes. It's UnitedHealthcare, and it'll come back. Even though it's probably the most troubled company in America right now as far as the size of it and everything.
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To me, when I look at it, it needs some kind of almost like a savior to come in and pick it. You don't know if there's a bottom feeder.
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It's almost like the government's got to step in. Yeah, it's not like that. But they're after it.
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It's not like a competitor. It's not like Humana's stepping in. I don't think any of these other companies.
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No one's big enough. Right. They're the biggest, so I don't know what's going to happen there. They need a turnaround guy. Big time. Maybe the guy that turned around Domino's pizza. I don't know what he knows about health care. Deer, okay. You know what? My hat is off to deer. That has been a good stock. This would be one you would think would be one of those stodgy growth giants of yesteryear. But actually, I mean, over the last 10 years, it's beat the S&P 500, believe it or not. 20.7% average return over the last 10 years. Now, that is a credit to the management team. Managing through bad times, good times, hard times, you know. The S&P has done 18%. Deere has done 20.7%. And over the last five years, you've gotten an average return from the management at Deere of 33.4% per year. That's pretty good. I would love to invest my money. and earn 33.4% per year for five years. Now, obviously, there's no guarantee that they're going to continue that, but that's their track record, okay? And they get a pretty good performance grade, and the stock is breaking out to a new all-time high, believe it or not, today. $141 billion market cap company. which manufactures tractors, combine mines, cotton and sugar cane harvesters, sprayers, mowers, backhoe loaders. I think you could call it an industrial. You know, when I think of America, when I see that green and yellow deer. That's right. Maybe they're making them in India. I don't know. I don't think so. But Moline, Illinois is where they're from. That would be a fun place to go sometime and visit the John Deere plant. It has a relative strength of 90 on a scale of 1 to 99, believe it or not. If I had to own an industrial, this would be one of them. Not many of them have returns like this. It dominates their industry. What can I say? I'm surprised it's not a Warren Buffett stock. It's up $23 a share today, 4.7%, $521 per share. It's never been that high. But it is today. So I think I'll give that one in my app. I have a way of turning on a little widget there that gives it a trophy. It becomes a trophy stock, trophy winner. I think that one deserves a trophy. DE is the symbol, obviously, and the dividend yield is 1.24%. Now there's an example of not a 5%, 6% dividend yield because you still have capital appreciation. coming from a deer now cisco on the other hand has seen better days you know their better days were 15 years ago but having said that cisco is trying to become more of an ai quantum type company they're accelerating their ai partnerships This would qualify as a value, relative value stock. It's trading at 16 times forward earnings, 16 times forward earnings. They produced a really good quarter. This is a quarter of a trillion dollar company, $260 billion. Cisco's sales were up 11%. I haven't seen a double digit quarter from Cisco in a long time. And their earnings were up 9%. It's not the kind of numbers I really like. I like those double-digit numbers. But this is a good report from Cisco. And as a result, the stock is up 7.1% today. So where's Jerome Powell telling us the economy's on a slippery slope when you've got companies like these, Walmart and Cisco, producing earnings like this? I look at earnings. Earnings is the driver of stocks and the market, just like real estate is location, location, location. The market and the economy... earnings, earnings, earnings. And the last one is a young stock as a publicly traded one. In fact, it's fairly recent. And we own it and it's not often that we step into a company that's only been public for about two months. Their sales were up 420%.
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420%.
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Contrast that with Walmart, whose sales were up 2%. CoreWeave, C-R-W-V, a big cloud platform, hyperscaler.com. AI company to the max, CRWV, the new kid on the block. It's already a $32 billion company, CRWV, and we're out of time. If you'd like to book that appointment with us next week, it's a very rare opportunity. We may not be back in that area for some time. But we'll be there next week in Warrensville, Ohio, just outside of Cleveland on Tuesday and Wednesday. Workshop Tuesday night, 7 p.m. Appointments Tuesday and Wednesday during the day. And then after that, about four weeks after that, we'll be back in Lakewood Ranch with a very similar schedule, a workshop and two days of appointments near the Grove in Lakewood Ranch. Have a great day, everybody.
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Join Rick Hughes in this engaging episode of The Flatline, where he delves into the critical concept of volitional responsibility. Discover how the choices we make every day contribute to our overall well-being or detriment. Using examples from the Scripture, Rick explains the profound impact of aligning our thoughts with divine viewpoint rather than our emotions. With a decade-spanning radio presence, Rick brings wisdom on recognizing and correcting self-induced misery through rebounding and renovating your mindset.
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Welcome to The Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
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Good morning and welcome to The Flotline. I am your host, Rick Hughes, and for the next few minutes, please stick around. It'll be a time of motivation, some inspiration, some education, and no manipulation. No con games, not soliciting money, not asking you to join anything. This radio show has been on the air for over 10 years now, and we simply want to teach you some information. Information that hopefully will help you verify and identify the plan of God for your life, and if you can do that, then you have the freedom and the privacy to orient and adjust to the plan. That's really up to you. But my job is to be accurate, to get it correct, not to appeal to your emotions, not to get you fired up, not to solicit anything, but give you information. We believe God's in it, God pays for it, and thus we're here every Sunday morning, same time, same station in your area. What an honor it is to hear from you. I get a good many emails from some of you, and some of you will even call us on our 800 number. You can locate that through our website, rickhughesministries.org. But if you call and order anything, be sure to speak slowly and leave a message if we don't get the phone. But you can always contact us through our website, rickhughesministries.org. And we can provide you with past Flatline shows. We do podcasts this show now. It is available on Spotify and other podcast networks. Spotify is one particularly. You can go to Spotify and download the Flatline and see the show, hear the show right there. Okay, so a lot to talk about. Thank you for listening. Thank you for being a part of our show. Thank you for your prayers. Thank you for your encouragement. I love hearing from you. I love hearing the emails that come in from some of you. And if the show doesn't play in your area, be sure to let us know. Sometimes we have problems with stations that fail to play the show, even though we contract with them to play it properly and on time. They have glitches, and they forget, and they make mistakes. So let us know if it doesn't play, okay? All right, today we're going to jump into a very unique study that I think you'll enjoy. Just remember that God gave you two ends. Remember this. One of those ends you sit with and one of those ends you think with. And success in your life will depend on which one you use. Heads, you'll win, and tails, you'll lose. This show is about renovating your thinking, changing the way you think. Not thinking in terms of human viewpoint, but thinking in terms of divine viewpoint. That's why the Bible says, let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus. Learning to think like he thought requires that we learn the scriptures. And that's why Proverbs 2, 10 and 11 says, when wisdom enters your heart and knowledge becomes pleasant to your soul, then discretion and understanding will guard and protect you. It's there. It's for you. It's God's plan for you. But the Bible clearly says, study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. So you're going to have to learn it. It's not going to jump off the pages into your mind. But if you spend time learning the word of God and applying what you learn in your life, then you can have the most phenomenal lifestyle as you replicate the thinking of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Yes, you are to think like he thought, not in terms of human viewpoint, but in terms of divine viewpoint, God's plan. So now, our Lord Jesus Christ demonstrated something to us that we all must understand. He demonstrated his volition to obey the Father. Our Lord Jesus Christ was born the God-man, undiminished deity, true humanity, in one body forever. And that God-man is in heaven today, seated at the right hand of the Father, you know that. But he had volition. He could have decided not to do anything. He could have decided to sin, but he did not. He was the Lamb of God, without spot, without blemish, the only one capable of satisfying the justice of God. But he had volition. We find volition in the Bible everywhere beginning with Adam and Eve when God said you can have anything in this garden, but don't eat of the tree right over there. Don't eat from that tree. And of course that got misunderstood when Eve said we're not even to touch it. But the prohibition was there and man's volition responded negatively. Man's volition said, no, I will. You have volition and I have volition. We are a product of what we choose. And we can choose to sin and we can choose not to sin. What you choose oftentimes is based on what you think. And if what you think is going along with your emotions, then you may be out of control, emotionally out of control. Emotionally out of control means you're going to do something very stupid if you're emotionally out of control. And remember, bad decisions limit future options, and stupid decisions get people hurt. And so you have to make a decision, and you don't make decisions based on emotions. You make decisions based on what you think. Because the mind responds, emotions just react. Nothing wrong with emotions, they are wonderful, but if you're going to use a volitional decision, you must base it on truth or fact, not what you feel like you should do. So volition, quote, under the law of volitional responsibility, and that's the name of this study, Volitional responsibility. This is number 742 hours, 742 shows. If you figure that one up and there's 52 in a year, you'll figure how long we've been doing this. 742 show, volition, under the law of volitional responsibility. Listen carefully, here it comes. Self-induced misery is created by your own soul's volition. In other words, you have the potential to make yourself miserable. By making a stupid decision, you can make other people miserable. And responsibility is defined in the Webster's dictionary as the quality or the state of being responsible, such as a moral responsibility, legal responsibility, mental accountability, reliability, trustworthiness, something for which you are responsible, your responsible behavior. And it's usually seen with honesty and accountability. And the concept is that God holds each one of us responsible for every decision that we make. We are responsible. You can't blame a crummy life on crummy parents. It doesn't work that way. You can't say the reason my life is so bad is I had bad parents. A lot of us had bad parents. Heck, I don't even know who my father was. The only thing that delivered me from a crummy life is me accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as my Savior, getting under the ministry of a great pastor who taught me the Word of God, and then believing what I heard and applying it into my life. to the best of my ability, which doesn't mean I never sin. That doesn't mean that at all. But like you, I had to learn how to rebound my sin and confess my sin. And then God was always faithful and just to forgive me. And he does you too. But with this volitional responsibility, what I'm talking about is each one of us are under the law of volitional responsibility. And under the law of volitional responsibility, we have to accept the consequences of our bad decisions. So we don't have anybody to blame, nobody but ourself. If you point the finger at somebody and say it's his fault, remember there's three fingers pointing back at you. Try it, point a finger and see if there's not three coming back. You are responsible for your decisions and no one else. We are to blame for our misery in our life most of the time. Some circumstances are beyond our control, but 99% of our suffering comes from our mismanagement of our personal relationships, our mismanagement of our personal health, our mismanagement of personal finances. I mean, that's where most of it comes from. So the law of volitional responsibility applies in several categories. It applies in what you think. You have volition. You can think divine viewpoint, or you can think human viewpoint. That's up to you. You can go to Dear Abby for your answers about how you should interact socially, or you can go to the Word of God, which says stay away from fools and don't even talk to them because they're going to laugh at you. So, I mean, do what you want to do, but there it is. Who do you go to for advice? I would advise you to go to the book of Proverbs. If you'll go to the book of Proverbs and read the book of Proverbs a few times over, you will get some tremendous advice. But reading oh dear Abby or dear Lucille or dear whoever it may be in your local newspaper, she's not gonna give you any divine viewpoint. So you have to be in control of what you think. Think, not emote, not emotional. So also you are responsible for your motivation. What motivated you to do this? Was it jealousy, was it bitterness, was it love? What was your motivation? You know, the Bible says if we love God, we will obey God and his mandates are not grievous. So the number one functional motivation for any Christian is love for God. That's our number one motivation. That's why we obey him. If you love me, you will obey me, 1 John 5, 3. And then we're responsible for every decision that we make. We make hundreds of decisions every day. I decided where to eat lunch today. I decided what sweater to put on this morning. in a bitter cold southern morning with the wind blowing. We're responsible for decisions. And I bet you've made a lot of decisions today that you're responsible for. And we're responsible for the actions that come off of those decisions. We can't blame someone else. We did it. It was us. Yes, it was us. So we have to take responsibility for what we think, what motivates us, the decisions we make, and the actions we take. The end result is self-induced misery. If we have negative or wrong thinking, then we have self-imposed misery. Negative thinking includes all sorts of wrong mental attitudes, all forms of bitterness and jealousy and implacability and arrogance, All of these things that you react to in life by your thinking, you have a term. I won't use it on the radio, but you know the term for when you get angry, PO'd, people call it. You know what I'm talking about? That's you thinking. You are reacting, not responding. You can respond with forgiveness, and you can react with bitterness. And it all depends on what you're thinking and the motivation behind it. But negative thinking leads to negative deeds. So negative or wrong motivation is also self-imposed misery. You want to make yourself miserable? Think the wrong thing, do the wrong thing, be motivated to do the wrong thing, and you can get miserable. Self-imposed misery comes from wrong decisions in our volition. And this misery can happen long before we make any decision. If we think wrong, you see, you have to think it before you do it. You are a product of what you think. Some people just emote and don't think about anything and let their emotions go off. And this is a dangerous person who doesn't consider the results of his actions. But listen to what the Bible says, okay? So we get this, negative or wrong decisions are self-induced misery. That's where it comes from. Negative or wrong actions, now we're talking about what you do, not what you think. Negative or wrong actions are classified in two ways. You deliberately did something wrong or you impulsively did something wrong. Deliberately, self-induced misery, and impulsively, which is usually self-gratification, and it brings self-induced misery as well. so you deliberately disobeyed god or you impulsively did gratified yourself and that caused you to have some misery but let's look at some verses in case we get confused here here's a few verses for you proverbs 22 8 he who sows wickedness reaps trouble and the rod of God's wrath will be ready. He who sows wickedness reaps trouble, and the rod of God's wrath will be ready. Sowing wickedness is maligning. If you want to look at seven sins that God hates, Proverbs 6, 16, and 17, they're all right there. Three of them are mental attitude sins, and three of them are sins of the tongue, and one of them's an overt sin called murder. You might be surprised, but slander, maligning, gossip, judging, this is sowing wickedness, and it reaps trouble. God doesn't need your help in judging anybody. God doesn't need your help in maligning, slandering, criticizing, backbiting. That is trouble in the making, and you are responsible for your decisions. So if you wind up miserable, if you wind up getting kicked out of some place because you couldn't keep your mouth shut, you did it. Galatians 6, 7. Don't be deceived. God will not be mocked. Whatever a person sows, this he will also reap. So don't listen to the liar. This is Satan. He's the master liar. He's been a liar for always a liar. Lord Jesus Christ identified him as a liar, and he will deceive you. He has deceptive abilities. And if you buy into the lie, you wind up mocking God, and you wind up being a fool. Romans 1, God talks about in Romans 1, 16, 17, 18, 19, people that are fools that mocked God, and God turned them over to their own desires. Because they believe the created one rather than the creator. Whatever a person sows, you will reap. You sow trouble, you're going to reap trouble. In Hosea 8-7, they who sow to the wind will reap the whirlwind. There's an illustration of a hurricane or a tornado. And we call it the cosmic vortex. Imagine spinning around the invisible zeitgeist. The spirit of the times spinning around like a vortex, sucking people into it. People that believe the lie, and it just takes them down the road and dumps them out in the middle of nowhere. Life's ruined. Life's destroyed. They believe the lie. They believe the lie. The biggest lie is, I love you. That's the biggest lie you ever heard. Be careful when they tell you, I love you. And sometimes it's nothing but manipulation. And they that sow to the wind are going to reap the whirlwind. Colossians 3.25, he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong that he has done, and there is no partiality with God. So God is not going to let one guy off and judge another guy. I don't care who you are. When you mess up, when you go against the Word of God, when you deliberately make a volitional decision that is negative to His Word, you are responsible for what happens. And he who does wrong will receive the consequences of that wrong. In Proverbs 25, 16, if you find candy, eat just enough. Now, this is a good one since Halloween. If you find candy, eat just enough because too much of it will make you vomit. That's a bad decision, gorging yourself on sweets. And in 1320 Proverbs, the one who walks with wise men will be wise. but whoever walks with a fool will suffer misery. It's very possible that you can make yourself miserable. You can have self-induced misery by hanging out with the fool. Who is the fool? It's the person that ignores the Word of God, a person that doesn't believe the Word of God, a person that turns his back on the Word of God. You must be careful who you hang out with because the Bible clearly says that it will corrupt you if you hang out with the wrong people because they'll influence the way you think. Once they influence the way you think politically, socially, spiritually, you're dead in the water. You're a dead duck. And then they will dump you like used whatever. A lot of people don't love you. They don't care for you. They just want to use you. And you'll figure this out. As you get older, I always tell young people when I'm talking to them, when you're When you're 15, you're worried about what people think about you. And you get to be about 25, you don't give a rip what they think about you. And when you get to be about 65, you'll find out none of them ever thought about you anyhow. So keep that in mind. He who walks with wise men will be wise. My suggestion, stay away from fools, fools that ignore the mandates of the Word of God. Fools that make light of the mandates of the word of God. Fools that will destroy you and laugh about it. Stay away from them. A lot of suffering comes to Christians because they're confused and they lack biblical principles. They don't understand Bible doctrine. They don't understand in life. And if you're suffering from your own wrong decisions, I can make this clear now and get this straight. If you're suffering because of some stupid decision you made, no prayer in the world is going to make it go away. You're going to have to go to the solutions that are found in the Word of God or found in the Bible. Yep, you're gonna have to go to that. You're gonna have to go to rebound, problem-solving device number one. If we confess our sin, he's faithful and just to forgive us of our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So you're suffering from a bad decision and you want it to go away. Well, the first step is to rebound, confess the sin to God. The second step is to forget it because God forgets when he forgives. Now, Satan will bring it up to you over and over and over again to make you feel like a jerk, to make you feel like God doesn't love you, to make you feel like you're a loser. And if God was through with you, he'd bring you home. So like me, you and I both have made many bad decisions and he hadn't taken us home yet. He will soon, I'm sure, but not yet. So when we fail, we rebound our sin and we get up and we don't look back. We move forward because many wrong decisions that people make. can even result in mental illness. It can lead them to psychoses, neuroses, and sociopathic behavior. It happens because they can't deal with the guilt or they can't deal with the mental attitude jealousy or the hatred or the bitterness. You know, here's a little insight for you. We're all born with genetic handicaps. You know, we have parents. If you know your parents genetically, you know maybe what their flaws were, and we have genetic handicaps. For example, if your parents were alcoholics, you know you shouldn't drink. because you'll have a tendency to fall into the same trap. Genetics, and we look at that and we say, okay, I'm not going to drink. My parents were alcoholics, so I'm not going to touch it. Well, we're born with genetic handicaps, genetic flaws, but we inquire, we acquire environmental or volitional handicaps. How do we do that? Well, by putting things in our life that don't belong there. And this all adds up to the first cause of suffering in your life. So genetically you have this tendency to go in a certain direction, but environmentally you chose. One of them you inherited, the other one you chose. So a volitional handicap is you handicapping yourself by a sin that you deliberately chose to do. A genetic handicap is something that you were born with. Does that make sense? So many wrong decisions that we make from a position of weakness in our own life, you know, we're not in fellowship with God. We're not under the filling of the Holy Spirit. We're not listening to the Word of God. We're not thinking divine viewpoint. When we make decisions from a position of weakness, we're out there on our own. We're standing alone on an island. We don't have any wisdom. We don't have any knowledge. We don't have insight and discernment. Proverbs 2, 10 and 11 talks about that. So you don't have that. You're in a position of weakness, and this results in even eventually mental illness. A lot of positions like that can, yeah, it can absolutely ruin a person's life. It's acquired from being arrogant and being self-centered, where you make some stupid, selfish, self-righteous decision, and one decision leads to another decision, and the practice of making thousands and thousands of wrong decisions. So, under the law of volitional responsibility, you and I must accept the consequences for every bad decision that we make. That's why the Bible says the ones that he loves, he chastens and scourges with a whip, Hebrews 12. When we sin, the first issue is rebound, get it out, get rid of it, name it to God. Because if you don't, then the hammer's going to fall. And maybe that's why you're suffering today. You've sinned and you haven't dealt with it before the Lord. You haven't confessed your sin to God. You haven't rebounded your sin. And you're miserable and you're getting whacked on the head every day. May I suggest you use problem-solving device number one, rebound your sin. Because the Bible says he's faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. And then may I suggest you do number two, renovate your thinking. Stop thinking in terms of arrogance beyond what you should think, Romans 12, 3. Many of these bad decisions destroy people. So under the law of volitional responsibility, you and I must accept the consequences of our own stupid, bad, dumb decisions. Every human being must take responsibility for their decisions. And so we're not here to blame other people because we're miserable. We're not here to blame other people for our unhappiness and our suffering. We take full responsibility based on our own decisions, and that may be related to who we associated with or what we did or what our motives were or what our functions in life were. So keep that in mind. We are responsible for our motives, our associations, our activities. And God holds you accountable. Many, many wrong decisions come from arrogance in your own soul. And so to protect us from being arrogant and destroying our lives, God gives us authority structure. Parents, pastors, coaches, bosses, forms of authority, police officers. And they are there to keep you from self-destructing. But many wrong decisions come from a position of weakness. When you ignore the authority, you challenge the authority, and you can eventually even harm yourself, go into mental illness, self-centeredness, selfishness, self-righteousness, and making many, many bad decisions. So the bottom line is this. You have to control what you think you have to control what you do Are you going to wind up being a slave to circumstances in your life? self-pity bitter blaming all your hard times on somebody else and Arrogance makes an 18 year old person think he's wise enough to handle life without any insight from his parents. That's stupid. So who does he go to for insight? Well, his little arrogant friends who are in the same boat. The innocent often suffer with the guilty being associated with someone else who makes a bad decision. Did you know that? Bad decisions limit future options. Stupid decisions get people hurt, as you've heard me say. So man manufactures his own problems, and the resulting suffering, God manufactures the solutions and blessings in the middle of the suffering. The wrong decision of sin brings divine discipline, reviles and removes the discipline, and restores the fellowship to God. That's just a little bit on volitional responsibility. God holds you accountable for your decisions. I hope you've been listening. I hope you've been paying attention. Because part of what may be going on in your life today is a series of bad decisions that have backed you into a corner and you see no way out. It starts with a rebound. And then you go to renovating your thinking. and acquiring the mind of Christ. The Word of God is the solution. The Holy Spirit gives you the power, and you use your volition to take the opportunity. Until next week, same time, same place, this is your host, Rick Hughes, here with the Flatline every Sunday morning, thanking you for listening and praying that you would come back and join us next week. Thank you.
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I'm sorry that I'm fat. All right. Happy Wednesday. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all joining and listening. And a little rain outside right now, which I did not realize we were going to have today. So we'll take it. Had a couple of... Two or three hot days, I should say. Get a little rain here and now, we'll take that. Definitely not a problem at all. Question of the day. From yesterday, there are an estimated 7 billion people on this planet. What is the estimated ant population? So how many ants? And Charlie said, what about the uncles? Yeah, laugh out loud. Anyways, the question to the ant answer, which I have no idea how they're going to figure this out, but somehow they did. It is two followed by 16 zeros or 20 quadrillion ants. Now, again, how did they figure that out?
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It's a wild guess as far as I'm concerned. But anyways, that's how many ants they figure are on the planet right now. So the impossible question for today, answer this on our Facebook page. Name the only planet that was named after a Greek god. Name the only planet that was named after a Greek god. All right, I know it's health and wellness, and this sort of applies to... to health and wellness. And some of you may have been watching this particular individual. Some of you may not. I was talking about this with Al Smith before coming on because he's on his own program from 2 to 2.30, so we were having a little chat before I came on air. And I just asked Al and Tanner, who's here as well, if they had seen or recognized this particular story. And it's all over social media. I believe it's TikTok for sure. It might be on YouTube. I know it's on Instagram now. But there's a young man. He's 29 years of age. His name is Oliver, and it's W-I-D-G-E-R. Would that be Widger? Am I saying that right, Charlie? Widger, probably? W-I-D-G-E-R. And his handle is SailingWithPhoenix, because Phoenix is his cat's name. And his whole story is... He's got a bad spine. The doctors say he has a spine of somebody that's about 117 years of age. He's had multiple things happen with it, surgeries, fused discs, and so on. And essentially, the doctors said, hey, you stand a very high chance. of ending up in, you know, for sure, some sort of a walker, wheelchair, something along those lines at the rate you're going. And there's not really much that can be done about that. It's a degenerative disease that he actually has in his spine. He's worked at a tire store for the past 11 years. So a year ago, this is where it kind of fits into the health and wellness end of things. A year ago, he decided to liquidate his 401k. cash out everything else that he owns, sold everything else he owned. He bought a 1990 sailboat with the goal of sailing from Portland to Hawaii, which everything Tanner and I, Tanner Coleman, who's on with Andy sometimes when I'm not here, you hear Tanner, so I'm here. We kind of did a little bit of research before coming on air, and that's anywhere from a 20- to 30-day journey, depending upon sea conditions, winds, all sorts of things. Now, I've been watching him. You can actually watch him live, and he posts on a daily basis. He has Starlink on his sailboat, enabling him to communicate and send out videos and do things along those lines and have some communication via Elon Musk's satellite network. So you can thank Elon Musk for that. But the point is, he lived on beans and rice and lived very minimally for a long enough time for the year so that on top of what he cashed out, he'd have enough money to do this journey, and he probably will still have some debt when he gets to Hawaii. His plan is he gets to Hawaii, he'll work off the debt, and then come home. Well, that plan is probably going to change. He's become so much of an Internet sensation, he now has over a million followers. Just in his 13-day journey so far, he's gained a million followers, and people have donated money to him. already to the tune of about $30,000 to where he most likely won't have any debt when he gets to Hawaii. And, in fact, he could very easily have a little cash in the bank when it's all said and done just from the amount of followers and posting and things that he's doing. I have been one where I just happened to stumble across him. And, yes, I've been following him most every single night. When I get home, I'll check in. Where is he at? What's he doing? How did his day go? Is he still alive? You know, all of that. Here's the other thing that started to happen, which is really interesting on the story. Other folk, I guess, sailors around the globe evidently have been following, and they will know where he's at, and if they're nearby, they will radio in and check in on him. to see how is he doing, how are things going, and so on. So, again, he's really become a big Internet star. But the point is he started that because he had such a bad back, even as a young man, and decided that before it gets to the point where he can no longer really enjoy those things, he's going to go ahead and take this, I think, what is it, Charlie, about 4,000 miles from Portland to Hawaii, I want to say. I'd have to look that up. I think it's about 4,000 miles. I don't know what the nautical miles are, but it's about 4,000 miles. I didn't look it up. I need to. I will double-check that. It's a long trip. Let's just say that. I mean, from Portland to Hawaii on an airplane is about five hours, and a jet will fly at, you know, what, 450 miles an hour or so, 400 miles an hour? So, you know, do the math. It's a long journey. And he's doing this on the water in a 1990 sailboat. So think about that. Granted, boats are a lot like planes. They'll last for a very long time. But he's had some issues along the way. He's had to fix some things along the way. He's learned some things along the way. The other thing about this story that you have to realize is he knew nothing about sailing and or social media prior to this journey. So he was not a big social media person and understood how all that worked. And he didn't know how to sail. prior to this adventure so he literally buckled down and learned everything he possibly could in the past year saved as much money as he could liquidated a lot of things again lived on beans and rice to be able to make this journey happen in the first place and you can follow him it's at sailing underscore with underscore phoenix but if you just google sailing with phoenix you'll find all sorts of articles and you'll see his handle there you can click on it and follow him on all the different social media platforms that are out there. And all I can say is, and this is the other reason why I wanted to talk about him, especially on health and wellness. He has, and I'm sure he has some bad days, and maybe he doesn't show when he's in a bad mood on camera, but I will say this. Don't know what his spiritual background or anything along those lines are, but this kid, I call him a kid because he's 29 years of age, this kid has the most positive attitude of probably anybody I've ever seen do anything along these lines, where it's not like he's always in a great mood, but you just don't see him being grouchy and negative and woe is me and all of that. That's not at all what this is. It's him and his cat journeying across the Pacific Ocean all the way to... And it's a great uplifting story. I don't know how else to say it. For health and wellness, sometimes we think, geez, you know, my neck hurts or my back hurts or this hurts or that hurts. And you watch something along these lines and it's like, yeah, quit your whining at the end of the day. So anyways, watch him if you can. Watch him through this journey. Veteran Windows and Doors coming up next, Dave. Bancroft, who wants to help you with all of your window and door needs. 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And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Welcome, Health and Wellness Wednesday. Our guest now, Shanisty Ireland, joining us. Shanisty, welcome back. How are you?
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Thanks for having me on, John. I'm doing well.
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Always a joy. You are a food and lifestyle influencer. Before we get going, let folks know what you do. You've got a website and other social media things that you do where folks can find you. Let them know about that before we get going.
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Yeah, so my blog is called shesbecomingdomestic.com. I've been doing this for a long time. I'm a former television news anchor. I left the industry when I started having kids. Now I have five of them, so I've really racked them up in the home department. And so now that's basically what I do. I share on my blog. I share on my social media, which is just at ShaniceDIreland.com. YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, just recipes and entertainment hacks and just all things parenting and really just all things entertaining for the different seasons.
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Well, A, thank you for doing that because I know you're a big help to a lot of families, moms and so on in that particular area. I mean, again, I know exactly what that's like and giving people different tips and tricks to where they can make better choices, make life a little easier, eat a little better as far as all that goes as well. Fabulous. And you help them save money. At the same time, May, which I should have known, May is National Barbecue Month. It's the kind of kickoff of the season, Shanisty, as you know. There's everything from high school graduations, college graduations. There's the beginning of summer with Memorial Day. And I know it's not really the beginning of summer per se because that doesn't happen a little later until June. But let's face it, Shanisty, that's kind of, at least here in America, that's sort of our weekend of, OK, summer's here.
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Yeah, 100%. I mean, we already have block parties planned in our neighborhood. And for all intents and purposes, it is the beginning of summer. At least where we live, that's when the pools are opening up, schools out, kids are ready to just party. And honestly, that's when people come out of hibernation. True. I joke. I feel like sometimes I don't see my neighbors for several months, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember you, you know? Come on over. Let's have a barbecue or let's have a cookout. I love that the month of May is National Barbecue Month because it really is just a great way to kind of get everything prepared for the summer. So if you're like me and you're, you know, wherever you barbecue or wherever you grill, it's kind of been sitting for a while. So you need to make sure that you're getting it nice and cleaned up and prepared. And go ahead and start planning that gathering now because there's plenty of things that you can do ahead of time to So it's not so much stress when your gathering actually happens.
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You know, you bring up a great point, something I hadn't thought about. And I, for one, did some of what you talked about this past weekend. I am one of those where I do some barbecuing, but I smoke a lot of meats and things like that. And I do some of that during the winter as well. This last winter, I'll just tell you, Shanicee, Didn't do much of it. So my smoker had sat for a while. So to your point, got everything all out, cleaned up, ready to go, geared up, smoked a little bit over the weekend as well, kind of getting things, you know, ready to go to your point. And that's something else, folks, you could think about doing is, you know, if you haven't done anything for a while, you know, throw some hot dogs or burgers or something on and kind of get things fired up before you actually have that big event where, you know, everything is on the line. I guess you could say, Shanice, you know, go ahead and get a few things done on the front side and on a smaller scale just to make sure you're ready for that big day.
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Yeah, absolutely. And then even getting inching closer to the actual gathering. John, I love just preparing as much stuff as I can ahead of time as possible, even if that means making the macaroni and cheese casserole a week ahead of time and freezing it, or even having the coleslaw prepped ahead of time. And, you know, anyone who barbecues or grills or does smoked meats knows that, you know, preparing that meat ahead of time at least 24 hours ahead of when you're going to actually be preparing it is really key. So be thinking about some of those dry rubs or those marinades you're going to be wanting to put on there and get creative with it. I mean, you can go sweet, spicy, tangy. There's mustard-based marinades. You don't have to go with just the traditional barbecue. And I think people like to have a little variety. You could almost have like a DIY, you know, taste test. where people can use different marinades for their meat and make it really creative.
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That's right. In fact, some of the trends today, Shanice, to your point, are you get kind of your base meat done and instead of doing a quote-unquote wet barbecue, barbecue sauce and all of that, give your folks a variety to where they can put some of their own quote-unquote spices, sauces on. I am one of those personally where I'm not a super huge, how should I say this, I don't want them so sticky that, you know, the juices are all just kind of flowing off onto my fingers. And I know people like that. Some people like it so juicy that, you know, the sauce is falling off, if you would. I'm not that guy. In fact, there's some dry rubs and things, Shanisty, that I like, and sometimes just as well as I do, you know, some of them being super saturated in barbecue sauce. So there's ways to do that to where you can make it, how should I say this, Shanisty, you can make that particular end of it really fit anybody that shows up.
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Yeah, for sure. You know, I actually saw a trend on, I don't know if it's Pinterest or TikTok or something, but there's different combos now with coffee and chili powder and maple and bourbon. And there's so many different flavors. But to your point with the mess, I think it's very important you don't wear white to these things. That's right. That even goes for the T-shirt. And think of your guests. Prepare the wet naps. Have even bibs. I mean, honestly, I'm not opposed to, you know, grown men putting the bibs on if it's going to be getting really messy. But be thinking of your guests ahead of time. If it is going to get messy, you know, just having those little... Little tiny things will just kind of elevate your party a little bit.
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That's a great point. Okay. I also know, and we've talked about them a lot, I've interviewed actually the owners of Southern Recipe Small Batch. They've got great pork rinds, which for a lot of people where you're actually doing... some smoking, or you're doing that macaroni and cheese, by the way, as you were talking about, Shanna, see that casserole, which, by the way, a lot of folks will smoke. I do. I smoke that macaroni and cheese. And some of the toppings that you could use, literally the Southern Recipe small batch, some of those pork rinds, actually all the different flavors and things they have, some of the things we're talking about with toppings and crusts and so on work really well.
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Yeah, they're really bold. It adds a nice little twist, a little crunch to it. And if people are a little freaked out by it, just keep it on the side. You know, you can have some crushed up pork rinds on the side. And also, John, I love just having them out and about for any kind of dips. You know, I think that pork rinds really fit in well with a barbecue. I think they have a good place for it in a barbecue. And as you mentioned, they're just bold flavor. And what I love about them is they have collagen and they're packed with protein and they're low carb. So if anyone coming to your party is on the keto diet or just trying to count their carbs, it's a really great alternative to a potato chip.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right, now, something else that I know we've talked about a lot in the past, and I keep these on hand for all sorts of different occasions and things that may come up, that's the Rayburn's sandwiches. And that's really, I think, Shanice, yes, you can use them in this particular setting or if there's somebody there that maybe they're not really into the particular dish that you've prepared, or the kids maybe, for example, maybe they don't want that. But the Rayburn's sandwiches come in really handy. And the other nice thing about the sandwiches is as you go through the summer with kids, Kids in general, you're looking for a quick snack or even a quick meal at times where you've got kids running around doing all sorts of other activities. Those particular sandwiches are dynamite.
SPEAKER 05 :
extremely satisfying, extremely easy. You can just pop them in your microwave for 90 seconds, but if you're going to be throwing them on the grill, it really doesn't take long to get those fired up. And Rayburn's even has a barbecue pulled pork sandwich flavor. So that just kind of gives you the down-home barbecue feel right there if you want to be a little lazy with it. And if you just want to throw those on, no one's going to judge because they're zesty and sweet, and they really are delicious.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and for some events, you know, again, a lot of people, they like to have a variety, or maybe you want to bring something, but you're not going to be, you know, the main cook at that particular event. There's all sorts of things between the pork rinds themselves, Shanna, Steve, from Southern Recipe Small Batch. Between them and the Rayburns both, you know what, you could bring both of those as your dishes if you'd like to, to kind of help out that particular host, and nobody would mind that at all.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. And I love that you bring up that point. I always tell folks when I do segments, you know, it is no longer cliche to ask your guests to bring something. It does not have to be anything homemade from grandma's recipe vault. It could be something as easy as you mentioned as the pork rinds or the sandwiches. And I think that your guests want to bring something. They are so thankful that you are opening up your space. You're taking the time to do it, and they want to bring something. So don't be afraid to be specific with it and give people actual items to bring or just say, hey, bring a bag of chips or, you know, a six-pack of Diet Coke or whatever it may be. Right, exactly. So you can get pretty creative with it.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, that is a great idea. And for those of you listening, there's all sorts of events as we're talking. We start off here in May, but it'll run all the way through, in a lot of cases, Shanisty through the end of October with ball games and tailgating and things like that. But this kind of, to your point, is our big kickoff. Everybody's getting things rolled up, rolled out, I should say. And it's that time of the year where these things will start to happen. And again, for all of you listening, most of all, be fun. Have a lot of fun. Enjoy yourself. I guess, Shanice, the main thing I would say is don't overthink this. Just have a good time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, yes. Do not overthink it because it'll be so stressful and you won't be able to enjoy it yourself. That's the whole point. You want to be able to enjoy the party as well. You know, I mean, have plenty of food, have plenty of drinks, have some activities planned, but don't overthink it. It can be very simple. And honestly, when it comes down to it, people are just happy to be together. It's a great time of year to do it.
SPEAKER 13 :
You are 100% correct. All right. How do folks find you if they want to follow you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Head over to Instagram. It's just at Shanisty Ireland. I also have a YouTube channel and TikTok. And then my blog is She's Becoming Domestic dot com.
SPEAKER 13 :
Awesome. Shanisty, as always, you're welcome anytime. And I appreciate your time that you spend with us.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you so much. Have a great day.
SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We had a couple of recipes, too, that I apologize. I could have squeezed in there with Shanicey, but I did not. We will have those, though, in our show notes, where if you'd like to know what those are, you are welcome to have those. We'll get those up here a little bit later this evening. Dr. Julie Gatz is joining us now, though. Dr. Julie, welcome back. How are you?
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm good, thank you. Nice to be here.
SPEAKER 13 :
Always a joy having you, and we're going to talk about something today that I even promote, and it's something that you and I, I think, maybe talked about this one time in the past, but it's been a long, long time ago, and the reality is that I don't care who you are, I don't care how fancy you think you are, I don't care how prim and proper you think you are, everybody at times gets gas, correct? That's correct. Not the kind that goes in your car, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right.
SPEAKER 04 :
So you don't need a license for.
SPEAKER 13 :
No. Yeah. You don't need a license for either. Yeah. Good point. OK. So point being, it is something that's very common. Some people never want to admit that that actually happens, but we all know that it actually does. And I don't care again. Every walk of life, Dr. Julie, if there's one equalizer, it's something along those lines. Now, on a very serious note, in some cases, some people can end up with more than others. Some people can get very, very painful, you know, gas and bloating and things along those lines. It's something that, you know, we all kind of laugh about at times, but there's times where it's really not a laughing matter. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 04 :
That's correct. Yes. You know, one of the things that occurs is it is very, very common, but sometimes In all reality, it's not normal to have gas. I mean, occasionally here and there, but what it really means is your body isn't breaking down the food that you just ate, or there's some other reason that you're having it, maybe even if it's something that's gone off as far as bacterial and it's old or whatever. But as a general rule, a normal system doesn't usually experience too much gas.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so explain that. When you say normal systems, I think there's a lot of people that are listening that are thinking, well, wait a minute, you know, this is one of those things where, you know, I've kind of either, you know, struggled with that, you know, my whole life. And, you know, I've tried to do everything different. I've tried to eat all sorts of different things, which we'll get into some of that as well. But in some cases, I think there's people out there thinking, Dr. Julie, that, you know, it's just normal for me and it's just the way I am.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, it's common, but it's not normal. And it may be something that you're used to. Maybe it even runs in your family. And maybe you've had it since you've been a kid. But when you're experiencing odorful gas, smelly gas, excessive... It's just like burping all the time. It's just like having indigestion and heartburn and feeling bloated. It is a symptom that simply means you are no longer efficiently digesting your food. So all I'm looking for is efficiency.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so dumb question on my part, and I think by now I should know this as many interviews as I've done here on these Health and Wellness Wednesdays over a decade. You'd think I would know some of this by now, but does the gas itself just come from food? Is it certain individuals that can process things differently, and it comes from that? Is it in our stomach? Is it in our intestines? Explain all of that, if you would.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so when you eat food, you send signals down to the digestive system that says, okay, secrete enzymes. Let's start breaking down whatever it is that you're eating. So you secrete different enzymes from the pancreas, and when your food gets to the small intestine, it gets absorbed. The nutrition gets broken down, and it goes into the bloodstream. The bloodstream carries all those nutrients to the rest of the body. This is how we survive. When you're eating something that, let's say, maybe you have a food sensitivity, maybe you've eaten too much of it, maybe it actually, you know, it's gone off and, you know, it's toxic to you. That's when the body says, ah, you know what, we aren't able to break this food down. So it does what it can to try to get rid of it, which can be gas and burping and indigestion and, you know, constipation and diarrhea and whatever it may be. None of those are normal. They're common, but they're not normal to experience.
SPEAKER 13 :
So, okay, a couple of questions. When we experience that, do we then sort of, you know, pardon the pun, but back up and look at what we ate and what may have caused that? Is there treatments for, in other words, how do we eliminate this moving forward?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. So, you know, one, you do want to isolate. You know, maybe somebody has, let's just pick on dairy. It's an easy one to make fun of. Let's just say you're eating a lot of dairy and cheese and yogurt and ice cream and whatever it may be, and you're gassy. So eliminate it for a week and see how you do. If you're less gassy, well, there's your answer. But in the meantime, I've noticed over 34 years of being a doctor that generally everyone has something going on that's not optimal with their digestion. So we on this planet now with our food that's not as great as it was and you know, our soil and all the different things that we're using to grow, you know, and get rid of bugs and all the pesticides. The fact is we're lacking digestive enzymes, the ability to make them. So a lot of people have all these symptoms and they think it's normal. Even dark circles under the eyes and can't sleep at night and skin problems and, you know, high blood sugar. a lot of it stems, or I would say most, 90% of it stems from the digestive system. So that's why I put so much importance on it, because once you correct digestion, you get rid of these symptoms, whatever it takes to figure it out, that's where you're actually going to regain your health.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and we know, and it's becoming more and more common all the time, that what we're talking about is, of course, gut health. And we all know that the, well, we should know by now because it's very popular, that the better our gut is, the better everything else is. And it's sort of like, you know, I learned a long time ago, Dr. Julie, also that, you know, oral care, you know, your dental hygiene and what's going on inside of your mouth because of all the bacteria and things that are there has a lot to do with our overall health as well. So between, you know, and it all applies, what's going into our mouth that then ends up into our stomach or our gut. gut has a lot to do with our overall health, correct?
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. And that's where it starts. I mean, you know, it starts with whatever you, you know, deciding to eat and put into your body. But, you know, the mouth for sure is indicative of, you know, what foods you're eating, how do you handle them, how do you break them down. And, you know, some people are just lucky as heck that never had a cavity in their life. And, you know, maybe they don't have the best diet. So there is some You know, predisposition to just having great teeth.
SPEAKER 13 :
Got it. Okay. Now, when it comes to some of the foods, and I mean, I think, you know, there's the old, you know, even the little jingle, you know, beans, beans, a miracle fruit. You know, the more you eat, and I won't have to go through the rest of that, but you get what I'm saying. I think we all know that there are, you know, particular foods that are more prone. to cause gas versus others, although to your point earlier, in some cases with some people, it could be simply you just had an ice cream cone or had a glass of milk and you've got that. So I know it's different for each person, but are there certain foods that are more gassy, it's more driven to have gas than anything else?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. And it's because they have a cell wall in the case of beans, you know, in this country, you know, we have some people who are vegan, but it's not, you know, the prevalent way of eating here. So a lot of people are getting beans from cans and cooking them that way. And quite frankly, the right way to process a bean is to get the actual beans from the bag, you know, soak it for at least 24 hours. And what that does is it helps to break down the cell wall so that we can actually, uh, break it down and and utilize the nutrition from the beans so we've got you know countries that know this and this is what they do to prepare their food all the time and you know in america we don't necessarily take that sort of time as a general population to uh handle that so beans in general have a cell wall that are very hard for us to break down which is why we get gassy after eating them so it's really not the bean itself it's the outside of the bean
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right. You know what? I just learned something I did not know that. I thought it was just the whole combination of what it is. I didn't realize that it was the actual wall of that that was causing that. Learned something.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yes, good.
SPEAKER 13 :
Very interesting.
SPEAKER 06 :
I like that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so continue on. And I know for each person, and this is something where I think for a lot of you, my recommendation, Dr. Julie, I'm not you, I'm not a doctor, so I don't want to steal any of your thunder, but keeping a food diary and, okay, I ate X, and this is how I felt afterwards, and this is how much gas and bloating I had afterwards. Well, you know, maybe rethink that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I do this with patients constantly where, You know, they're doing great. They're doing great. They're doing great. And then they're like, wow, I was really gassy and I had a stomachache. And, you know, it doesn't just happen for no reason. So I sit down and, you know, ask them what they've eaten. And, you know, it could be in the past 72 hours. It's usually sooner than that. But, you know, once we get to the root of it, it's always there. Always. They've made a mistake they weren't aware of or, you know, whatever it may be, some spice or something that they aren't supposed to have. And and we'll figure it out that way. So. You know, the digestive enzyme lack of has really given us problems, and the lack of nutrients in our food then keeps us from being able to make the digestive enzymes that we should be making to break down this food and get more nutrition. So it's a bit of a catch-22.
SPEAKER 13 :
Gotcha. Okay, another dumb question on my part, and it's in my notes here, but another one where I don't know the answer. Why do certain vegetables, we're all told, you know, eat more veggies, eat more veggies, eat more veggies, it's all good for you. Well, why do some of them make you more gassy than the others then?
SPEAKER 04 :
I think also because we don't have the enzymes to break them down, but some people are more prone to react to cabbage and to broccoli and to the cruciferous type vegetables. Even people who eat a lot of salads, salads are complicated. And if your digestive system is working wonderfully, great, have salads. But then there's a lot of people who consume a major amount of salads. They aren't losing weight. They don't have the energy. They aren't feeling so great. And it's because it's too complicated on the digestive system that's not working properly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
So my recommendation is always heavy protein cooked. So eggs and fish and chicken would be the first, you know, suggestion. And then have some, any way you want to do it, cook your vegetables green preferably. And squash is always good and easy to break down.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, yeah, you know what? I hadn't thought about it. It definitely is. Now, one thing that I want to make sure we get added in here, I know we're going to get to at some point, but I might as well throw it out there right now, and it's something that I use on a very, very routine basis, and I hope a lot of you out there listening do, but that's the product Absorbade. Talk about that for a moment, how that works, and how that does help in a lot of these areas as well, Dr. Julie.
SPEAKER 04 :
Great. Absorbade is a digestive enzyme. It's all vegan, and I've used it for years with my patients, and it's You can take it to break down a meal. So let's just say you're super healthy and you want to maintain it. Then take a high-quality digestive enzyme. The Absorbate is the one that I just love. And you take it with each meal. It just aids in chopping up that food and getting and squeezing the most nutrients you can from every meal, which is the whole goal of eating. So you can take it if you're gassy, if you have a stomachache, if you have heartburn, if you are traveling and you're all swollen, you can take it at night on an empty stomach and it actually helps to break down toxins, poisons, and helps with inflammation. So it's really kind of a no-brainer. A lot of my patients give it to their dogs. A lot of them give them to their kids and their elderly. I have a bowl on my countertop and Every time I eat, I grab some absorbate, and it's just sort of my insurance on let's get the most from the meal I just prepared.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I say this a lot, and for some of you listening, where you may travel a lot to Dr. Julie's point, where that difference in elevation and especially flying, but even driving into our mountains and things along those lines, you could notice some of these things. And I keep them with me traveling, especially Dr. Julie at all times. And there will be times where, you know, you just get sat down on the plane and I go ahead and just have one or two just to have because of everything you're talking about, because they do work.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I mean, I'm so surprised. I throw it in my purse. It's always there. I'm so surprised constantly that. you know, family members or patients or whatever, they're like, oh my gosh, and I took the absorbate and this happened. I'm like, I know. It's sort of, I think it's one of the most important things a person can take because it's going to aid in breaking down those meals. And I think it's better than even taking a multivitamin because multivitamins are in the food. So let's get that into our body rather than trying to take it synthetically.
SPEAKER 13 :
Agree. All right. One thing we should mention, how do we get that?
SPEAKER 04 :
So you can go to the website, which is naturesources.com, and you can read about the Absorb-Aid. There's something called Absorb-Aid Platinum, which is it on steroids. And you can get some free samples off the website or 20% off your first order. Also, you can call the 1-800 number, use the code RADIO. They'll send you free samples or 20% off as well. And that number is 1-800- 827-7656.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I'm putting all this in our show notes. It's in a lot of our past episodes as well. But for those of you listening, please. And again, I am not paid to say this, by the way. Dr. Julie doesn't send me these things on a routine basis. I buy my own. I use my own. I believe in it enough to where I do that, Dr. Julie. I would think that for anybody listening, that alone would say... enough. I'm not getting these things. I'm not being paid to say anything. That's not how this works. It's not a paid sponsorship or anything along those lines. I literally buy it, use it. My wife does as well because it works.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. I mean, I've used a lot of digestive enzymes over the years and, you know, this is as best as I could find, which I love being able to talk about it because I believe in it so strongly that This is pleasurable for me.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, going back to the food end of things, and I even noticed in my notes that there's even some drinks and soft drinks and things like that that can also be the cause of excess gas. And that's something I don't know that you and I have ever talked about. Talk about that for a moment.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, carbonation itself, all right, nobody likes when I say this, but I'm going to say it anyhow because it's just I can't help myself. Coffee, tea, and soda pop or anything with carbonation changes how you actually absorb nutrition. So people that have super tight muscles or they can't sleep at night or they've got restless legs or their neck and shoulders are always tight and they can't get any relief, pretty much behind that is coffee, tea, or some form of carbonation. So what it does is instead of, like, putting a piece of steak in a glass of vinegar and leaving it overnight, in the morning that vinegar is going to look cloudy, the steak's going to look all chowed up, and that's how your digestion system should be. If you put steak in a soapy water... and watch it overnight, it looks like steak and soapy water the next morning. So that's what the coffee, teas, and carbonation do to your digestive system. So people cannot get nutrients in properly when they're consuming those frequently.
SPEAKER 13 :
I had a question that came in on the text line going back to the whole bean thing, talking about soaked beans versus non-soaked. Does any of that make any difference in relation to what you were talking about in relation to why they cause gas?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, the non-soaked will be harder to break down because you didn't break down the cell wall by soaking them for the 24 hours or more. And a lot of times they'll put some vinegar in that water of soaking beans just to help aid in breaking things down.
SPEAKER 13 :
Got it. And again, somebody asked, what's the name of that digestive enzyme? It's called AbsorbAid. And again, you can get that at Nature's Sources. There's two S's in there, so don't just put one S in. It's Nature's Sources.com. or you can use that 1-800 number. I'll have that up in our show notes as well, 800-827-7656. So, yeah, that's the answer to both of those. Okay, any other foods that you just automatically, Dr. Julie, know that, you know, for the majority of people, this is going to cause bloating and gas, so just stay away from it? Or does it really come down to each individual person?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, as a general rule, also nuts are hard. When people actually buy whole raw nuts and then soak them overnight, it aids in releasing their natural enzymes so that they are much more available to our digestive system. And what I do find is people who are eating toasted and roasted and salted and, you know, all the different types of nuts that are absolutely delicious, those are tough on digestive systems as well. So, you know, it's just when I'm trying to correct anybody, which I, you know, take digestion first, There is no salad. There's no nuts. There's no coffee, tea, and pop. I give them lots of good food, but we knock out anything that's going to irritate them.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, last but not least. This is one I don't know that we've talked much about this one in the past. Sorbitol. Talk about that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sorbitol is just simply a corn sugar. So, you know, I'd much rather have people eating white sugar at that point or honey or sweetened things with dates or whatever. you know, it's just, it's a junk sort of sweetener that's been allowed in our diets for a long time, and hopefully that's not going to be going on for too much longer.
SPEAKER 13 :
But it's in all sorts of things like even sugar-free candies and gum and so on, correct?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it sure is, and you know, it's just, it's a junk thing, it's toxic to the system, it's hard to break down, there's, you know, there's no real nutritional benefit, and I And it's sort of been slid in over the years.
SPEAKER 13 :
And it came from where? Just the chemical end of things that we as a country decided to do?
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. So, yeah, it's usually a corn base. And, you know, corn is hard on people in the first place. That's why, you know, you see it whole on the days you're eating corn on the cob. So it's just it's a hard food for us to break down. It's tough on our digestive system.
SPEAKER 13 :
As I'm reading this, which I had never looked up, I guess I should have, one of the key aspects of sorbitol is it's a laxative. It's used as a laxative to treat constipation by drawing water into the colon.
SPEAKER 06 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think that says enough right there in and of itself. And yet people are eating that in candies and gum and all sorts of other things and wonder, why do I feel the way I do?
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, when you start reading the labels, which I know people are doing a heck of a lot more.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. You know, the bioengineered food I found on a couple of things that, you know, haphazardly I'll grab and eat. And I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah. They've changed that one for me. So it goes right in the gut. Great point. No, don't eat it.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right. Well, let's close things out. How do folks find you, Dr. Julie?
SPEAKER 04 :
So I have an Instagram, which is DrJulieHealthyVibes. And the Nature's Sources website is also data on there with me. But anyone can figure out. And if you have any questions, you can certainly get a hold of me through the Instagram.
SPEAKER 13 :
Awesome. Dr. Julie, as always, you're welcome anytime. Always learn something when you're on.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you. Me too. I so love it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I appreciate you very much. Thank you for taking time out of your day for us.
SPEAKER 04 :
You too. Thanks.
SPEAKER 13 :
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All right, one last little, probably it's more of a public service announcement. Joe sent me this. We've talked about this maybe briefly in the past, but since there's more and more of these out there, and you're seeing them in all sorts of different places now where you get takeout food in the black plastic containers and have a clear lid to go with them, which they're really great, by the way. I like them. It's easy to store stuff. It's like you're already getting sent out of the restaurant with some Tupperware. Let's just say it that way. The thing, though, that you have to be careful of is do not reheat the food in those black containers. Actually, shouldn't reheat in a plastic container, period. But those black ones especially, they have got... and some toxins in them that when you microwave that particular container, it's very likely, it's highly likely that those same toxins will end up inside of the food you're now going to eat that you reheated. So if there's any of you listening, you want to spread that around. Maybe you've got family members, kids, whatever, and you kind of get, frankly, you get in a big hurry. It comes in a container. You think, I'll just throw it in the microwave really quick, heat it up, and eat out of it really quick. Truthfully, I think we've all done it. I have. Before I knew this, I've done that. And reality is you shouldn't. It is highly toxic. It can make that food very dangerous to eat, and you just shouldn't do it. In fact, best thing to do if you're really in a hurry, have a stack of paper plates that you get at Walmart or Sam's or Costco or whatever. Throw your food on a paper plate if you want to be really fast and quick and easy. Go ahead and heat that up in the microwave. If you want to eat off the paper plate, you're much better off doing it that way than you are trying to eat out of that plastic container or, frankly, any plastic container. But specifically, those black plastic ones are very toxic. So please, please, please do not do that at all. That's our little PSA for health and wellness today. Two more hours coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Thank you. I'm a rich guy.
Join us for an enlightening conversation as John Rush engages with listeners and industry experts on the significance of price versus value in consumer goods. Reflecting on Bob from Thornton's insights about the real cost and worth of products from China, Rush emphasizes the importance of understanding the true value of what we purchase—a discussion particularly timely in today's economic climate where consumer decisions can significantly influence market trends. Amidst advertisements for local businesses, the episode also highlights practical perspectives on personal finance and the importance of informed purchasing decisions.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Ken Davis, Job Creators Network. Ken, welcome. How are you?
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I am delighted to be with you, John.
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Always a joy, and we saw some great news. I was reading it this morning, and lowest inflation numbers that we have had in four years.
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Yes, and look at that. When all the supposed experts, the professional economists, the progressives, their stenographer lapdogs in the press, everybody was predicting that the first inflation report after the implementation by the president of his tariff program would be a disaster, because the tariffs will disrupt supplies and drive up prices. Not a bit of it. Not a bit of it. Inflation was 2.3% for the year, April to April. That's the lowest since February 2021, when we were still in the pandemic. For the month, it was up just two-tenths of a percent from March to April. Again, the experts had predicted 0.3%, so it's a third, 33% lower than predicted. Now, this is a great report, and a lot of the particular... Items or categories of items that are so important to American households. Energy is down 3.7 percent for the year. Gasoline down almost 12 percent for the year. And eggs. Who can forget eggs?
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That's right. Eggs. That's right.
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All the egg talk. That was down almost 13% for the month from March to April, down 13%. And that's an early sign of the success of the efforts by the Agriculture Department, the Federal Agriculture Department, to repopulate the hen flocks across the country. But no, no. It's a great report.
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And, well, Ken, really quick, too, I think this is – and to your point, I'm not one of those experts that you mentioned earlier, although what we're seeing now are things that I have been predicting here since – not only since Trump took office, but just some of the things that needed to happen to get things back on track. And the things that – And maybe I'm, I don't know, I guess because I'm a business owner and I've been that way for a long time since 1986, and I look at things a little differently than probably Wall Street does. I think for me, Ken, I understand the things that people buy on a daily basis. And yes, I get tariffs and I get that we import a lot of goods from around the world itself. But I will tell you, Ken, that. The things that you just mentioned, some of the things that we're seeing a drop in as far as our daily consumables of Americans are concerned, they are not things that we import anyway. So when I started looking at some of the things that were going to be happening on the tariff thing, I didn't even mind that we were going to be at 145 percent on Chinese tariffs right off the bat. I knew things would come down over time because China needs us worse than we need them. But at the end of the day, Ken, the majority of things that we bring in from China are not things that we need for our daily lives.
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Well, that's exactly right, and it's a critically important point. I mean, I think overall trade imports account for about 12% of the total economy. I mean, it is important, and we do have unsustainable, unjustified deficits, trade deficits with countries like China, and it is... The president, President Trump, ought to get the standing applause from every American for his efforts to address this problem that people recognize. I mean, if you look at the academic journals and the Sunday feature sections and stuff like that, There is and has been a widespread agreement that you cannot run massive trade deficits for extended periods of time without undermining your economic security and your currency and your overall economic health. So He's gotten a lot of, oh, my God, what's going to happen criticism for simply tackling something, boldly and courageously attacking a problem that everybody has admitted exists. needs to be addressed.
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The other thing, Ken, too, that I want to jump in and say is, again, we're all of these highfalutin, high-powered individuals that are supposedly the best and the brightest, and yet you don't hear anything from them along these lines. I mean, going back to the tariff. conversation in something that it even took me a second to kind of think through. But once I did, I'm like, OK, wait, time out. First of all, tariffs are on the cost of the good that's being exported, not what it's being sold for here in the United States of America. So let you know, we'll take a pair of tennis shoes that cost ten dollars. And I'm not exaggerating when I say ten dollars. That's not far off from the actual cost in some cases. But in the American consumer's eyes, they're thinking, well, those tennis shoes cost me $125, so there's going to be a 145% tariff on that $145. Ken, that's not true. The $145, it's not that anymore, by the way, but that $145 there for a week or whatever it was, was on the $10, not on the retail price. That's something that, frankly, hasn't been communicated well enough with the average American.
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Well, that's right, but the... If you look at the general discussion of any policy issues, and certainly economic issues, you've got a discouraging mix of indifference and lack of information and sometimes, I think, intentional... Agree.
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Willful. Yes.
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Agree. Intentional distortion, in this case... hysterical fear-mongering in order to undermine the overall position and political clout or strength of the of the administration that's right that's right this is the same this is the same coastal legacy progressive press corps that um flogged the Russian collusion story and covered up the Hunter Biden laptop story and on and on and on. So this is just the latest chapter. And so what we saw this and their latest entry was, of course, it's going to the tariffs are going to devastate jobs and drive up prices and tank the market. And of course, there was anxiety-induced short-term adjustments in the stock market. But the jobs report, the most recent jobs report, blew the doors off. That's right. And this inflation report is a winner. And so the president is on the right track. You know, look, prices of domestic products, as you point out, there are a lot of factors. The cost of the imported item for things that are imported, is only a small portion or a portion of the end sale price. And the end sale price is a result of a lot of things. And one huge factor driving end-use retail purchase prices in the last four years has been this devastating Biden combination of blowout spending, money printing, and production choking regulations.
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I want to add one more thing to that, Ken. Energy prices, you can add on to that list of what you just gave as well.
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Yeah. I mean, since day one, I mean, Biden wasn't finished with his – inauguration day lunch when he started a war on the energy industry. And energy goes into everything.
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That's right.
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That's right. And that's been aggressively addressed and reversed in the Energy Department and at the EPA in an unprecedented list of executive orders and cancellations. of Department of Energy Biden regulations using the Congressional Review Act.
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That's right. That's right. Ken, Job Creators Network, how do folks find it?
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Well, I've written a book on the progressive state and its harms called Revolution, and it's referring to the American Revolution.
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Okay.
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Awesome. Well, Ken, I sure appreciate you very much. I appreciate you filling in today very much. And, again, you are welcome, and I appreciate it. We very much think alike. So thanks for what you're doing, sir.
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Well, thank you for having me and for everything you're doing.
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You're very welcome, Ken. Appreciate it very much. Have a great evening. Ken Davis, again, he is filling on the – we had a couple of people that couldn't make it for the Job Creators Network, but he's filling in, and I appreciate that very much. Flesh Law coming up next, 303-806-8886. Whether it's criminal or civil, give Flesh Law a call today, 303-806-8886.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we are back. Bob and Thornton, you're next. Go ahead, sir.
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Hi, John. I was interested in your last guest there. I want to bring up something. This is something that you and I, I think we're on the same page on this. We know the difference between price and value. There's a price for something, and there's a value of something. Very true. And they're not interchangeable.
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No, they're not equally the same, exactly.
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Now, let's talk about the Chinese manufacturers selling into our economy here. Let's snap a chalk line, you know. It's roughly about... 50% of the population. And there's the haves and the have-nots. And the reason that there is haves and have-nots is mostly because they've made their own choices.
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I was going to say decisions, right?
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Yeah, exactly.
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I agree.
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The other one. The Chinese are selling into the lower half of that chalk line. They're selling products that people don't need without money that they don't have.
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Very true, Bob.
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You and I, when we make a purchase, study it. If there's value, we purchase it. If it's based on just price and it's garbage, you gave me some good advice on staying away from a Dodge Hornet the other day, and I appreciate that.
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You're welcome.
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I was looking at price, and then I decided there was a value there, and I made that decision. So I thank you for all your information. I just hang on to every word that you say.
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Well, and I appreciate that, Bob. Mutual respect back and forth as well. And you're right. And one of those things that I've tried to convey here on air, and it's always hard because you hate to just throw certain segments of the population under the bus, but you are correct in what you just said, and you said it very wisely, that the Chinese government, the Chinese manufacturers, have relied to a large extent on a lot of individuals in this country that are looking for price and price only. And frankly, Bob, and I'm not trying to be mean here, but I'm not sure they would understand a value product if it hit them in the eye. I mean, literally, they are looking at price and price only. What they don't understand is in most cases, probably all cases, that cheap product, frankly, at the end of the day, is not a good value for them because if it doesn't last very long and it doesn't even perform the way that it should, literally, they may be buying that over and over and over again where they could have bought the higher-priced item to begin with and been done with it.
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Okay, that's what I had to say, John, and again, I thank you for all your... You're very welcome, Bob.
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No, I appreciate it very much. Thank you in mutual respect and appreciate you listening. And Bob sends me all sorts of things. He's one of those, one of you individuals out there listening that send me a lot of different articles and things to read and look at, and I do. I do read and look at all of those things. But, you know, Bob brings up a great point in something that... Again, you're not going to hear this out of the mass media, the mainstream media. And that is one of the things I was arguing with Jordan Goodman about yesterday when he was on during the first hour at 3 o'clock, which is, frankly, other than a few electronic components and things along those lines, some rare earth metals and so on, which, by the way, that's already been handled with the last rounds of agreements that happened over the weekend. But the reality is, other than a few items along those lines, we don't have to buy anything from China. Now, we do, because in a lot of cases, it's a very inexpensive, cheap item, and we buy it there. For example, I'll give you a quick example. There are a – I'm looking at my Yeti, and, yes, I have a Yeti in front of me. It's one of my – I don't know what the ounce thing on this is, but it's one of the large tumblers. I can fill it up. I can pretty much use it all day long. I refill it when I'm down here at the station. I know everybody probably laughs at me for having it because it's huge. On the same token, this thing can be a lethal weapon. I keep a little lasso on one end of it or a tether on one end of it. If need be, and I had to swing that thing around, you could literally knock somebody out with it. It's a Yeti. And those of you that are familiar with Yeti know the value, back to Bob's point, of what that Yeti gives me. Is it an inexpensive item? No. Is it something that as long as I don't lose it will last me probably my lifetime? Yes. Are there other imitations to Yeti that I can buy for a lot less money? Absolutely. China makes some knockoffs of Yetis. A lot of you have seen them. By the way, I call them Chedis. China made Yetis. They're Chedis, not Yetis. And I make fun of them because a lot of people have them. In fact, most of what you'll see that have writing or logos or engravings or whatever, even though you can get that in a Yeti and there are some of those out there, most of those cooler type cups that you see that are engraved, especially in some sort of a mass quantity, are Chedis. They're Chinese imported knockoffs of a Yeti. And at the end of the day, are they as good as a Yeti? No, they're not. They're not. I've seen them. I've used them. I've had some of them given to me as gifts, by the way, over the years from different organizations where they'll get a bunch of these things printed up. They give you one and so on. And you look at the bottom, it says made in China. And it's not a Yeti. Again, it's a Chetty. That's what I call it. Now, that's not the formal name. So any of you that are out there running around, don't go looking for one with the name Chetty because you won't find it. It's just a Chinese Yeti. That's what I call it. Point being... You can go find those, to Bob's point. And they are literally, and I'm not joking, they are literally a fraction. You could probably buy 10 of those for one Yeti, and I'm not exaggerating. There's that much of a price difference between the one and to the other. But there is that much difference, in my opinion, in quality. You can pick them up and just feel one to the other and know what the price, you know, know what the quality difference is. Yes, there's a huge price difference, but they are not one and the same. And it goes back to what Bob was talking about. There's value, in my opinion, in buying the Yeti over the Chetty, knowing that I'm going to outlast that Chetty at least 10 to 1, meaning that I'm getting a better value and I'm not buying it over and over and over again. And the way it functions, by the way, and how long it keeps things cold and the ice that stays in it and so on, there is a vast difference from one to the other. And that's just one product example. I can go down the list. Now, I get it. There are some items that the only place it comes from is China. I understand that. Although you have to wonder why. Why? You know, where was the master plan behind having that item come only from China versus being made here in America? I've had numerous examples from a lot of you as listeners that have family members in certain towns. You know, we had Jordan on yesterday or he was talking about how nobody wants a steel mill in their backyard. That's not true. That's not true. Many of you emailed or texted in after Jordan was off saying, I've got family members in such and such a town that used to have a steel mail in it, and they would love to have that back. They would love to go back to work at the steel mill. The town would love to have that steel mill back. So I disagree with Jordan on that because there are parts of America where you could bring those things back. He is correct in the fact that environmentalists are a bunch of hypocrites. They'd rather have that stuff in those factories somewhere else so that we don't have the quote-unquote pollution here in America. But the reality is the pollution is still going to exist if we keep buying steel, and we will. Steel and aluminum. And the left is just a bunch of hypocrites. We don't want it in our backyard, so we'll send it to Mexico. We'll send it to Canada. We'll send it to China, wherever. As long as we don't see it, it's good. They think as long as you don't see it, it doesn't exist. That's how a lefty looks at it. And again, they're hypocrites. Not in my backyard individuals. So I'm dovetailing into what Bob was talking about, and I believe, yes, there is a big difference in quality in things that you can buy in certain places outside of China. Now, I'm looking at a cup here that sits on this studio desk because people come and go, and there's a cup full of pens. And I would venture to guess that probably, if not all, at least two-thirds of those pens are probably made in China. And it's simply because of cost. Now, can we make a pen in America? Sure, we could. Sure, easily. Do we? No, because at this point, it's still cheaper to get it someplace else and let somebody else go through that. But that's an example of could we do that in America? We absolutely could. There's so many things we could still bring back here to our soil and make. We've just chosen not to because it's cheaper and maybe even easier. I don't know about the easy part, but it's cheaper to have it done someplace else. So, again, I appreciate Ken, our first guest we had. at five o'clock and then bob following that up as well scott garless we'll talk to him in just a moment and kind of dovetail back into this with him uh don't go anywhere roof savers of colorado and for some of you listening you may have just gone through a hailstorm and we're kind of in that season where hail can happen at any given time you find yourself coming out of a hailstorm you want to get things inspected when it comes to your roof or there's even any damage i've always said this don't call your insurance company before calling dave hart at roof savers of colorado 303-710-6916
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And a lot of you send me text messages. I do my best to answer those or at least read those during the breaks and so on. So, again, if I don't respond or something along those lines, you know why. I don't. I'm doing my very best. It's easier, of course, like Tuesdays when Andy's here. I can do things a lot faster that way. But I do my very best to handle things even when he's not here that way. So at any rate, Charlie's doing his best to get Scott lined up. We'll get him on air here in just a few minutes. In the meantime. Something else I had in my notes that I was going to try to get to, hopefully I've got enough time to maybe I can squeeze this in really quick, and that is Charlie sent me something earlier today about the vehicle emissions here in Colorado likely doubling their testing fees. That is something that I will keep my eye on. They will, of course, have to have some approvals on that before they just arbitrarily go out there and raise prices, but it looks like for more than two decades it's been roughly $25 since 1982. or no, sorry, $25 for vehicles made in 82 or after, $15 for vehicles made before that, but they're trying to double that to $30 and $50 respectively, and I will let you know how that ends up turning out. Scott Garlis joining us now. Scott, how are you, sir? Hey, John, I'm well. How are you? I'm doing very well. Good to talk to you. Good reports today, by the way, on inflation, lowest we've seen in four years.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, so that's right. So the Consumer Price Index came out. It showed growth was up 2.3% year-over-year. Yeah, that was a downtick from what we saw last month. And, yeah, it's the lowest since February 21. I mean, that's a big deal.
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It's a huge deal. Now, not to boast, but I think you and I can take a bow sometimes. These are things that, frankly, you and I have been talking about. We've been looking at other indicators outside of, of course, what Wall Street and mainstream media talk about. And kind of, in my opinion, the handwriting was on the wall for some of these things when you start getting energy prices down. when you start handling some of the things that he has done in regards to tariffs, and we see some of the deals that are working out along those lines, and again, where Wall Street and mainstream media gets all uptight is over some things that frankly, and I've talked about this before with others, Scott, some of the things that tariffs have have affected are not things that we americans buy every single day and i would even go as far as to say that in a lot of cases china included outside of a few items we don't have to buy at all the reality is we can't get by without buying from a lot of these countries we choose to buy from some of these countries for obvious reasons but at the end of the day scott we don't have to in the core things that we buy daily if people would turn off the news stop reading, you know, not that many people get that paper anymore, but if they'd stop looking at news sites, if they'd stop looking at, you know, X and some of the other things where there's Postmate and so on, in other words, if they would turn all that noise off, go about their daily lives, they wouldn't know any of that stuff was even going on.
SPEAKER 07 :
Totally. And again, it's just, it's people get so hooked in by the disaster scenario, and that's all anybody pitches out there right now, and so they just They get sucked into that garbage. I mean, how many people right now are probably regretting that they blew out of all their stocks?
SPEAKER 09 :
Most, because all that, you know, all but within a few, and you know this better than I do, but all but a few thousand dollars, as far as the Dow is concerned, were back up to where it was initially. I mean, the reality is, if you'd have just hung on to things, you'd be right back where you were.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah, you're certainly getting close. This is true.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, what are we, 3,000 or so away from where we started? It's not that far off. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, no, I want to say the S&P 500, I'm not looking at it right this very second, but it's probably like... We're at 58.92 today, and I don't remember where we started. So we're probably close to like 6% from the highs.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, and we're probably not far off of that with the Dow Jones. It's at 42, and I think we were around 45, 46 when things kind of went down. So we're not that far away is my point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, exactly. That's about the same. Some of the other stuff going on is, you had these announcements out of the Middle East the last couple of days where they're going to sell a lot of AI-related chips to them. NVIDIA and advanced micro devices, companies have gotten bashed over all this. Their prices are taking off the last couple of days. Technology stocks are still ... We talk about this a lot, too. If things do slow down, companies are going to invest more in tech to create margin and efficiency. These companies are still going to see a lot of demand, no matter what.
SPEAKER 09 :
Exactly. I don't know. I just keep going back to some of the conversations you and I have had over and over again. And frankly, we've been talking all the way through COVID. We were correct on the Fed being too slow to raise rates at that time. They've been too slow to lower them back down. As far as I'm concerned, they got all nervous last week over things that, frankly, they didn't need to be nervous over. And frankly, I think now, Scott, today they've got egg on their face. They literally could have done a quarter point rate cut last week and we would have been just fine doing so.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, I agree with that. And it was interesting because I know I saw the Chicago Fed president, Goolsbee, came out and made some comments this morning saying, well, you know, the April data really doesn't show any of the trade effects yet or the tariff effects yet.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's because there aren't any, pal.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And sort of, you know, like we've discussed, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. And inflation is still coming down. You know, and you can say, well, it might go up, but it But we've been saying that for several months now, and it's still not good. Well, not you and I are saying it, but others are saying that, and it's still not taking off.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and Scott, again, I had another guest on top of the hour, but when you look at some of the core things that we buy as Americans on a daily basis, mainly energy, I mean, you start looking at the things that we do there and knowing that prices are continually moving down. I mean, are they going to get down to $2 a gallon at the pump? Folks, no, and I know that's what the White House is saying. Mathematically, that really won't work. I mean, you'd have to get oil all the way down into the $35 a barrel or less, and the reality is we don't want it that low. But you know what? We can handle $2.75 a gallon pretty easily. That's still a dollar a gallon less than it was not that long ago, Scott, and that's a huge decrease all said and done, especially when you look at all the shippers and the people that have to spend money to get things to us. Those are huge savings at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 07 :
Completely. I mean, to your point, so food and energy are, I mean, those are the two things that help all of us the most. Because when those prices come down, because it's stuff we use in our lives every day. Now, what always cracks me up is the Fed doesn't consider those core inflation numbers because they're volatile. It's like, well, but they're the things everybody uses. How the hell are they not core to inflation?
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Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but even core inflation, too, all the items, food and energy, that is coming down as well. So, yeah, I mean, there's a really good case being made for it's time for the Fed to start cutting rates again.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and the reason I say that, and there's some people out there that maybe would argue with me on that, Scott, but this is where I want to get your opinion because you've got some connections in this end of things. They need rates to come down some, and I know that short-term rates don't necessarily drive mortgage rates, but they do. There's a correlation there. There's also a correlation, direct correlation, to the commercial market. property end of things and scott i know that if they really want to get things back on track and get some things geared back up they've got to get the rates down you know honestly it needs to come down an entire point to really get those two sections of the economy back on track yeah it would definitely help with commercial property prices all real estate prices you know we talked about this last time it would help with the building industry as well um and i think we touched on this in the last couple weeks if not we have recently um
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, all the lending capacity that's sitting, you know, sort of off balance sheet, unrealized losses for banks right now because of their treasury holdings they had prior to the Fed really raising rates. And, you know, they lost value because the interest payment on those things is lower. But if you can get rates down, the value of those treasury bonds would go back up. And that would free up more lending capacity from banks, which would help get the economy revved back up.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's exactly right. I went to lunch this week with my banker and had a conversation with even his boss, where he's really kind of high up in this particular bank that I bank with. And we had some of these similar conversations. And the reality is they have some money. They want to get it out into the marketplace. I think there's a lot of banks looking at that very same thing. Again, they want to make sure that they're lending correctly. They don't have any issues. Banks don't like risk, as you know, or they want low risk, I should say. And, Scott, they know as well as I that if you get some of these costs down like we're talking about, even for their business customers or especially their business customers, they know that their chance of survival is much higher. They're more willing to lend. So it's not even a – How should I say this, Scott? It's a perception even from the bank to the business, knowing that if the business has more ability to make things work because their expenses are lower, they're more willing to lend. And it's this big circle that, frankly, the Fed does not look at.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I mean, it should help borrowing costs for the U.S., too. That's right. Treasury interest payments. It's just it's like. What are you guys thinking? Why are you not thinking of these things? And then the whole side of if we want all these companies to come in and invest in the U.S., they're going to need to borrow. So we want to get banks, you know, have their balance sheets in good shape so that they can lend plenty of money to businesses to reinvest in the U.S.A.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's funny that you say that, too, because people would say, well, wait a minute, if you've got all these companies, they've got all this money, why would they need to borrow money here? Well, there's all sorts of reasons, Scott, that you could probably explain better than I, but it has to do with even taxation and all sorts of other things that happen when they bring that money in. In a lot of cases, even Apple, who is as big as they are and have as much cash in the bank as they do, they will still borrow money at times because at the end of the day, it's still less costly for them to do that than to use their own money.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct, correct. And that's why you see people do like debt payment or debt raises overseas, stuff like that. Right. But yes, you're right.
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So my point is, you know, people think, well, they just need to bring all that cash in here anyways. No, they will look at all the things, Scott, that you and I are talking about right now, and if they can come in here and get a line of credit that is, you know, two points above prime, and you can get prime down around 2%, and they can now have a line of credit for 4.5% to 5% versus 8%, that's a huge difference.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's a humongous difference.
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And, frankly, that's where we need to head back to if we really want to get things stimulated again.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct. I mean, people, you know, if somebody really wanted to go check it out and make sense of it, go pull up an interest rate calculator on a computer and run it. Yeah, and you'll see really fast the balloon payments on that. The interest payments add up.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right. And so, to your point, if you really want to get some of these outside, you know, investment companies or manufacturers, I guess what I'm trying to say, Scott, back on our soil and bring some of that stuff back in, even though they may very well be an American company. And you're thinking, well, that's not even outside money coming back in. But it's still money they have to spend, invest, and make things happen. And the reality is they want to do that as cheaply as possible, which offsets their cost, which enables them to bring that manufacturing back here.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah, that's right. And it's, you know, the other part of this, too, is Something else that happened over the weekend with the whole China-U.S. announcement. And so, you know, you coupled it with dropping tariffs from 145% to 30%, and they're talking about dropping from 125% to 10%. That's a big deal from a growth outlook as well, because all of a sudden, you're not looking at this dire, oh, my God, the economy is going to implode. You know, all these Wall Street banks that took their growth forecast to recession for this year, all of a sudden they're backpedaling, saying no recession, and you throw that slowing inflation. And, you know, I think it was end of last week, all I heard on CNBC, I rarely turn it on, but when I do, they're like, stagflation, stagflation. I'm like, oh, my God, this is why I don't watch.
SPEAKER 09 :
For everybody listening, because I think most know what stagflation is, but for those that don't, explain stagflation.
SPEAKER 07 :
It is stagnant economic growth with high inflation. So basically it would be like you have zero growth to contraction, but you have inflation picking up. And what we're all of a sudden seeing is that's not really happening.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, it isn't. In fact, it's the opposite of that, Scott. In fact, I predict, and I could be wrong in this, but we haven't been too wrong all the way through this. Maybe our timing is a little off, and that's because, frankly, the Fed's not reacting the way that they should be or we'd be in a different spot right now. But the reality is I predict that you're going to see some economic growth. You're going to see a lot of what we saw during Trump's first term to where it's economic growth without inflation, meaning that the Fed could lower rates to even further that along. And if they do, we could see inflation back down in the 1.5% to less than 2% range.
SPEAKER 07 :
I would love if we got inflation back to 1.5%. Yeah, but 1.5% to 2%, even if we got it just to 2%, that would be phenomenal.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct. And frankly, and this is something that a lot of folks don't understand either, is I have arguments even with some listeners at times, Scott. You can't have it go the other way. As much as people want to see retraction in prices because they think they're saving money, for the overall health of the economy, that's not good. You need a little bit of inflation to keep things moving along. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah. We have talked about this in the past. That is correct. That's a sign of a healthy economy. Japan has battled deflation, or they battled deflation for, gosh.
SPEAKER 09 :
Negative interest rates for the longest time, right, Scott?
SPEAKER 07 :
That's correct. And they finally have started to get out of that. We don't want to go there. That's not a good thing for our economy.
SPEAKER 09 :
We want to see, yes, we've had tremendous inflation, and I know it's hard, and people have to try to make more in wages and things to kind of combat that. And while you can see some pockets, eggs, for example, Scott, where, yes, they can come back down to where they were yesterday, at one time because they went up they spiked up yeah you could see some adjustments along those lines and in commodities especially like you know you know food prices for example scott some of that stuff will do that naturally anyways depending upon what's going on in the marketplace supply and demand and so on but overall you don't want to see a retraction of the economy no no you don't um that that yeah we don't want a retraction we just we would slow stable growth is great OK, now next Fed meeting is is it next month? Is it June? They skipped July. Am I right in that?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I think it's June, July and then they skipped August. Yes. Yes. So it's two per quarter.
SPEAKER 09 :
OK, so so they'll have another one coming up. What's your predictions as to what they do in June? And it'll be latter part of June. So it's a little ways away.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, you know, I think June is on the table for a potential rate cut. I think July is pretty certain. But I think there's a 50-50 shot we could see a rate cut in June.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Again, you know my feelings. I think they're behind. I think if they do a cut, it's only going to be a quarter point. There's another thing you and I have talked about in the past as well. All that does, that quarter point cut at the end of the day, really doesn't save and or change much in the marketplace. It's more of a signal that, you know, we feel confident that things are going in the right direction. We're going to go ahead and lower rates. That's really all that is, correct? That quarter point doesn't really do a whole lot at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, no, it doesn't do a ton, but it starts to add up for households. You know, if you can get rates down and their borrowing costs and credit cards, whatever, come down, yeah, it starts to put money back in people's pockets, which at the end of the day, that's a good thing economically. And that's why when people talk about rate cuts support economic growth, that is why.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because to your point on what we've talked about even here, and for those of you that are not in the business end of things, trust me when I say that. Those of us that are in business, and we do use other people's money to make money. And a lot of companies, Scott, to the point that we talked about earlier, even those that are flush with cash will still use other people's money to finance and do things. And anytime you make that cheaper where it's easier for them to do so, they will, and that stimulates the economy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct. That is correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
This is not a hard equation, frankly, by the way, at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, it's not. I just don't know why our central bank is so apprehensive right now. They have a 210 basis point rate cut cushion, and they refuse to touch it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and that was a question I was going to have for you is, you know, why do you think that is? What do you think they're so afraid of? You know, what is it that, you know, are they watching too much CNN? I mean, what is the deal?
SPEAKER 07 :
I just I think Jerome Powell has gotten his back up. The media has sort of stoked this fight between Powell and Trump. And so I think Jerome Powell is acting like I'm not going to be told what to do. So I'm not going to do it until I feel like it's the right time. And it's you know, he went the last couple of speeches he did. He he talked about that and was like, come on, man, you're. You're not supposed to be political. You have talked about how apolitical the Fed is, yet here you are being political. It's ridiculous. It's childish is what he's doing.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I agree, and I'm afraid to say this, Scott, and Trump has said that he won't do anything about him, but if you continue down that path, he's liable to not have a job.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, no, the reason why Trump won't do that is it would be really bad for international finance markets. It would be really bad for the U.S. market.
SPEAKER 09 :
People would lose faith, and I know it's... Even though he continues to go down this path of, I'm not political, but I'm going to talk political anyways?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, yeah. Interesting. He would, believe it or not. Yeah, it is. It's like, because you're the one side, you're like, this is ridiculous, and the other side, you're like... My God, but yeah, there would be a very negative reaction to that. So Trump kind of has to ride this one out.
SPEAKER 09 :
Do you think there's any ability for some of the other folks, not Trump, that could sit down with Jerome Powell and really say, listen, guys, we've got to get back on track? And I know we're short on time, but give me your answer.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah, there's always a possibility.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, all right. Scott, how do folks find you? How do they follow you?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, sure. Twitter, Substack, or LinkedIn, C. Scott Garlis.
SPEAKER 09 :
As always, I appreciate your wisdom, Scott, very much.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, thanks so much for your time.
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HR2 Richard Battle: Leaders vs Organizers, Regretful Trump Voters 5-14-25 by John Rush
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Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush. Richard Battle joining us now. Richard, welcome, sir.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good afternoon, John. Thanks for having us back with you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Always a joy. And when did leadership turn into organizing, and what does it mean?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, this is one of those pet peeves of mine that, Our country and our success over the years, we've had leadership in so many different places. It's risen to the occasion. But the last few years especially, when you see an activity on TV, they never talk about who the leader is of that activity. They talk about who the organizer is. Mm-hmm. And so organizers slipped in much more than when it was used for unions and union organizing years ago. And there's a big difference between leadership and organizing. And I think we need to recognize it and recognize the benefits of having leadership.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but the way I've always looked at this, and I'll use, I guess, a church example because that's what I grew up in with lots of different events and things and so on. You can have a ladies' luncheon, for example, to whereby there are different ladies in the group that are very good at getting things organized to have that luncheon held. They can make sure that everything is all set and organized. The tables are set correctly and everything is handled and done and so on. But it takes a real leader to come alongside those ladies and actually have that organization run smoothly all the way through. There's a difference between organizing the event and leading the event. Am I correct in that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, absolutely, and I think if we remember back a couple of presidents ago who talked about leading from behind, and that's what an organizer does. They don't put themselves out front, so there's no accountability or responsibility, but yet they have a disproportionate influence, almost a manipulation of what happens, whereas leaders, they accept a responsibility, and the spotlight is on them if something isn't accomplished because of poor leadership. And that's just a small scratch of the surface.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, John Maxwell always said, and one thing I've always taken to heart, and I utilize this particular phrase all the time, everything rises and falls on leadership. In other words, you can blame it on everything else you want to, but that guy at the top, that gal at the top, they're responsible.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that's it. And as we've said before, in good times, mediocre leaderships acceptable and tolerable and you don't notice it. But when the fur flies, good leadership makes a big difference. And that's when the big difference between an organizer who's behind, leading from behind, which is following, and who does not take accountability, he sacrifices or she sacrifices those that they are working with, even though they're the ones that kind of instigated everything.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so why do you feel, I've got my own thoughts on this, but why do you feel that we want to change that terminology around from, and not even the terminology, but just how that functions? Why do we want to change it from leader to organizer?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that's a good question, and I've just got an opinion in that I think that that goes along with a movement toward a more centralized government, if you will, a more socialist-type government, because in that type scenario, you need fewer leaders in that, and you need everybody doing what they're told to do and not thinking for themselves. And so people can be told what to do in an organizing fashion, but there's always somebody behind the scenes that's pulling the strings and making that happen. Whereas in a leadership environment, whether you're leading a bank or a little league team or a Boy Scout or Girl Scout troop or anything else, when you have a leadership hierarchy, you have independent thought and responsibility, and you have goals and things that you want to do, and it's much more geared toward our individual liberty.
SPEAKER 15 :
I look at it, and everything you said I agree with. I would add to that that leadership, true leadership, empowers others to go out and do things, think on their own, and make accomplishment, whereby organizers want you to just do what they tell you to do, period. In other words, don't think for yourself, I'm going to tell you what to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that's a good example, and I agree right there because empowering others is one of the things that helps ensure long-term success. Besides preparing your successors when you're in a leadership position, I tell people the number two responsibility besides achieving your objectives is is preparing future leadership. And whereas in an organizing scenario, I don't believe that's as focused upon as it is in a leadership type environment.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I think true leaders, Richard, first of all, and we all as business owners have had to do this, if you're a good owner, I guess I should say, typically a good owner, Richard, may make, let's use this example, they make a hire. You know, they bring somebody in and they realize, you know what, I like this person. I want to have him on my team. So they bring him in for position A. Well, they may learn after some time that, you know, position A is great, and while I thought I hired them to do position A, I'm learning that, you know what, they're better suited for position C than they are for position A, and I just need to empower them a little more to go do C, and I'll find somebody else to come in and do A. A good leader understands that and makes those adjustments and gets that person into the exact role that they need to be in, where, frankly, Richard, an organizer is going to say, listen, you're going to do A no matter what, and if not, I'm firing you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, that's correct, and I always use the analogy of just think of a baseball team, and you put somebody at shortstop and you find out that they can't field ground balls. They may be better at pitcher or catcher or outfield, but they can still contribute to the team, and the best leaders put people in the positions where they can succeed for the team but also for themselves short-term and long-term.
SPEAKER 15 :
Talk about your experience in 1987 on a city bond election.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it was interesting because we were going through a real estate crash, and they had a bond issue for some affordable housing, and so I ended up leading the opposition to it. And I found myself faced with the Saul Alinsky organizer, who would have been the equivalent like Barack Obama was in Chicago. And so back at that time, I read Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and Reveille for Radicals, several magazine articles about him because I wanted to learn more the tactics and strategies that they were going to use to try to win that election. And it was very, very, uh, important that I did. We ended up winning, uh, because we understood what they were trying to do. And it was interesting. And probably the number one thing that I learned out of that was that the tactics said, uh, you do what you want to do, but you tell them what they tell your opponents, what they want to hear. And so I was able to utilize that debating a former mayor on a television program and use that to, I think, sway the election our direction.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, great story. I don't think you've ever told me that story. So that's a really great example. Good story, by the way. And bottom line, we're really trying to get at here is there's a difference between organizers and leaders. Yet we live in a society where we want to join them together.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, some people want to do that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, you and I don't, but I think there's others that would love to.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I think that they use that term, and most people don't really pay attention to it, and they don't really... know or think about the differences. You know what, I would agree with that. No, I would agree with that.
SPEAKER 15 :
In fact, I would go as far as to say, Richard, and partly why I enjoy talking to you each week, and we do a lot of things regarding the whole leadership aspect of things, because I personally believe it's one of the things that when things start to go awry, whether it be in a church, whether it be in a business, whether it be in a country, it's due to lack of leadership. That's my opinion.
SPEAKER 05 :
that's the bottom line in nearly every situation. Any organization that goes down, it's usually from a lack of leadership at the time that hasn't been prepared from the previous generation. So if you want long-term success, you've got to prepare for it. And so I put in seven principles, and this is an essay from Made in America by Mary Cairns, not Mary Cairns. And One, they accept responsibility. Leaders accept responsibility. Organizers, in my opinion, don't. Second, they visualize where they want to take their organization. And then they realize long-term success for their organization beyond their tenure for the organization and team members. They're not focused short-term. And when you're in an organization and they're focused short-term, if you want to be there long-term, it will not succeed long-term. Then they inspire others to follow them, which requires good communications. It requires telling people where you're going to take them and why it's important, why their individual job is important to the success of the team. These are things, to refer back to what you said a minute ago, organizers don't do a lot. They just tell you to go do X.
SPEAKER 15 :
Got it, got it. And again, all of these, Richard, I should make sure that we let people know, once again, where can they actually read all of those in that particular book?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, this is an essay in the book Made in America by Americans, not Americants, that we wrote a couple years ago. And it was an essay with specific, as we tried to do in that book, specific ideas of how to instill that Americandu spirit and be more successful.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now, along those same lines, given I said this last week, but we're rolling into the whole graduation end of things. In fact, people, if they haven't bought gifts, really ought to be getting on that right now as we speak. Some colleges have already gone through that. High schools will be over the next couple of weeks. Given all of that, Richard, how do they find you and how can they buy a book and give that to a graduate? Which, by the way, great resources you have when it comes to graduates.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, thank you. And let me say first, Oliver Wendell Holmes said, a mind stretched by a new idea never returns to its previous state. So we never know when one idea can change a person's life. And so that's what I try to do in the things that I write, is fill it with ideas, hoping that people will grasp some and be life-changing. And my website is richardbattle.com. If you order anything, everything's signed. But if you'd like it inscribed, email me, richard at richardbattle.com. All 11 books with 12 coming next month are on Amazon, including Kindle and audio versions as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. Richard, as always, I appreciate it very much. And again, for those of you that are looking for a really great special gift, something that frankly will benefit that particular graduate for the rest of their life, I highly suggest you go to Richard's site and get a book. And as always, Richard, I appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 05 :
It's always my pleasure, John. God bless America.
SPEAKER 15 :
God bless you, Richard. Have a great rest of your day. Up next, we have got Al Smith. Did a great interview here recently when it comes to financial planning and all of that. And you can always talk to Al directly. Just go to klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 08 :
Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial and the show you love, Retirement Unpacked, is here with me. How are you today, Al? I'm doing great. How are you, TJ? I'm doing great as well. I have a couple questions for you.
SPEAKER 13 :
As a financial advisor, do you also do taxes? No, I don't prepare my clients' taxes. I do, however, spend a lot of time talking to them about taxes. To use a sports analogy, tax preparation is like doing a recap of the game. What I do is more like creating a game plan and then following up over time to see how it's working.
SPEAKER 08 :
And how much are taxes a part of that game plan that you create?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, with so many different taxes we're faced with, it becomes an important thing to take into consideration. It's not how much income you have, but how much you get to keep. In addition to federal and state income taxes, there's property taxes, state and local sales tax, and fees. And they all play a part in shrinking our income.
SPEAKER 08 :
What about people who already have really healthy balances in 401ks, IRAs? Won't they be facing significant taxes as they draw income from those accounts?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, it depends. Everybody's situation's a little bit different. There's no one size that fits all when it comes to tax planning. But often when I work with people, we'll create a strategy where we will convert traditional IRAs to Roth over time. And that not only reduces taxes in the future, but it will also lower the tax they'll be paying on their Social Security.
SPEAKER 08 :
Is that kind of strategy really only for the wealthy?
SPEAKER 13 :
Not at all. Many of my clients who have modest IRAs have chosen to convert to Roth over time. They enjoy the freedom of having a tax-free nest egg that they can access on their own timeline rather than an RMD schedule.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that is excellent. And how can people reach you if they want to learn about their own taxation in retirement?
SPEAKER 13 :
You can reach me through KLZ or contact my office at 303-744-1128. And when you call, I'll provide you with a summary of all the tax changes for 2025.
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You heard it here, folks. Good things from Golden Eagle Financial and Al Smith. Again, you can reach them at 303-744-1128 or just find them on the advertisers page at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 11 :
Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, and we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. There is an article in... Apple News, and I get it, you know, different news sites. This was an actual – make sure I go back. This is a reprint – not a reprint. This is a link. The way Apple News works is they kind of collectively take a lot of different news sites and kind of combine it into one, and I get it through Apple News as an Apple user. Anyways, there was an article that they put out this morning from Vox. Not Fox, Vox with a V, V-O-X, which – is what the liberals did years ago to counter Fox News. They did Vox, V-O-X. I don't know what the V in all of that came from, Charlie. Oh, Latin for voice. Thank you, Charlie. So that's where that came from. So it's their alternative to Fox News. And there was an article this morning titled The Rise of the Regretful Trump Voter. And as I read through it, I'm thinking, OK, yeah, there's always going to be some folks that vote one way versus the other that are, you know, quote unquote, regretful of what they did. Now, I will say this. Some of the people that they actually picked and interviewed along these lines, because guaranteed they picked these people. They didn't just have a rise of individuals that came to them and said, oh, I wish I'd never voted for Trump. No, I'm guessing they find these people one way or the other. And I will also guess that especially this particular young lady is a young black woman that that they interviewed in this particular article, a 37 year old black Philadelphian. And this particular individual is complaining that while she voted for Trump, thinking he would bring down prices, it hadn't happened yet, and she was regretful that she had voted for him. Now, I don't know when this interview with this particular person was done, because in the last hour, next hour, we're going to talk to a couple of different individuals, including Scott Garlis, to talk about some of the CPI numbers that are out, and actually things are lower. In fact, there was data out this morning that inflation is now the lowest it's been in four years, meaning that things are costing less now. There's more eggs on the shelf at less price. Fuel is costing less. On and on we go. So the reality is it's opposite of what this article is actually talking about. And it'd be interesting to know, when did they actually do this interview with this Philadelphia voter? Was it a week ago or two months ago? Because things take time. All these people that thought Trump would get into office, you know, January whatever it was, with 20-something, right, Charlie? I want to say I don't have the exact date. Don't care. January. I think everybody thought, oh, yeah, prices will be down next week. Folks, it doesn't work that way. And all of us, of course, on this side understand that. But there's a lot of folks out there, and I'm not calling them, you know, Rush used to call them the uneducated voter or whatever he had a term for. I'm not calling them that because everybody has different ways that they look at things and so on. And no, some people aren't as politically astute as others. A lot of you listening, you're more politically astute than most because you listen to the likes of me and others. And so you're a little bit more in tune with things than most people are. Now, that doesn't mean that other people are bad or dumb. They're just not as in tune with some of these things as you are. So I always hesitate to call people an uneducated voter, although I think there's a lot of uninformed voters that really don't understand how things work. And with maybe a little bit of education, they may. Bottom line, what I'm going with this is things take time. especially when you talk about lowering prices when it comes to some of the commodities that we buy on a daily basis. Those things don't turn around overnight. It can take five, six months to get those things turned around. We're at the roughly five-month mark right now, just shy of five months. Actually, is it even five months, Charlie? February, March, April, May, we're four months in. So, folks, we're already seeing the results of some of what Trump has done only four months in. That's actually pretty fast, considering all things. Frankly, considering how bad things were left under Joe Biden. So reality is we're seeing huge improvements from where we were just four months later. Again, data today showing inflation numbers are at a level that we haven't seen in four years. And yet Vox is going to publicize some of these things. You know, the rise, the rise. Keep in mind, that's the key word here. The rise of the regretful Trump voter. Folks, I don't see that many of these. There are some. And I think there were some that maybe voted for the wrong reasons. Trump still became president, but they might have voted for the wrong reason. And I've read to you guys different articles where they'll go find that family that came here illegally, where now somebody's deported, and they actually, which I always wonder, they say they voted for Trump. I think, okay, wait a minute, the family's illegal. How did they vote for Trump in the first place? You see where I'm going with this? They didn't. So they're telling you they did. The article is saying that they did, but they couldn't have, unless they did it illegally, of course. But they couldn't have voted for Trump. They're not here legal. Now, there's other articles also of families where maybe somebody in the family, a relative that's come in, wasn't legal. They are. They voted for Trump, and now they're a little bit upset that so-and-so, I've got an article I was going to read that to you on Monday. I didn't get a chance to do it. But, you know, so-and-so is now risking deportation. And as I read through some of these articles, and I realized, oh, wait a minute, that family member's been here 15 years. So time out. You voted for Trump, and you're now mad because so-and-so in your family's getting deported, and yet so-and-so's been here in America 15 years. How is that our country's fault that they're being deported when they've had 15 years to become a citizen? Fifteen, not five, not 15 months, 15 years. And yet they decided for whatever reason not to become a U.S. citizen. To me, that's personal responsibility or the lack thereof. And that's on them, not us. I say us, us as the United States of America and what Trump's doing in regards to immigration. So with every one of these articles and every one of these things you see where there's a headline like this, the rise of the regretful Trump voter, folks, there's not as many of them as you think. And I will venture to guess that knowing what came out today in statistics, knowing what's happening with actual grocery prices, knowing what's happening with fuel prices, I guarantee you that if you were to go back and interview some of these people, especially do it a month or two from now, it's going to be a horse of a different color. Guaranteed. The problem with a lot of people is they're very emotional based when they vote and look at things. They don't look at things long term and or factually. It's all done off of emotion, unfortunately. Now, this is where, by the way, the Democrats are big. They realize the emotional part of that and they grab a hold of that. They literally know that that's what that voter's into, and they're going to work off of those emotions. They're good at that. They're much better at that than we are. We're very factual. We're very stoic at times. We're going to vote for that person because of X or because there's an R next to their name or because they know they're going to do this for the economy or they're going to be a champion for us in this. The other side doesn't do that. They vote off of fear, rage, denial of the truth. I can go down the list. Literally, those are the things that they vote on. And they, last but not least, do it intellectually and factually. Most folks on the left don't vote factually or intellectually, because if they did, they wouldn't vote the way they do. And or they're very misguided in what they think is something factual. One of the two. But that's what we're dealing with when we're running even here in Colorado, our candidates, because that's what we're up against. It's something that we as conservatives in Colorado have to start realizing and why it's so important. I know I talk about this a lot, but it's so important for us to run the right candidate in the right area. And no, just because they're principled, quote unquote, doesn't mean they're qualified to run in that particular race. A lot of great principled people in this state doesn't mean they should run for office. Doesn't mean they should run for that particular office in some cases. And I mean that with all sincerity, and I'm trying to be as kind as I can be, but the reality is we don't win enough because we don't run the right candidate. And I will stand by that until we start running the right candidates. And the problem is the last administration we had here in the Colorado GOP has no idea what I just said, because going back to Richard Battle, who was just on with me, they don't understand leadership. I would go as far as to say, Richard, today talking about leaders versus organizers. 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SPEAKER 15 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Sonny Kutcher joining us now. Young Americans Against Socialism. Sonny, welcome. How are you today?
SPEAKER 16 :
Doing well. My favorite part of the week.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, thank you. We appreciate that. And it's our favorite part as well. All right. What do you want to cover today? Lots of things to talk about. There's never, you know, it's never a dull moment. Let's just say that. Unfortunately, there's never a dull moment.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely, and I think today a lot was moving and shaking, that's for sure. I mean, of course, we have a lot of wins coming from the administration. President Trump is on a winning streak, absolutely. But I think the part that has been frustrating me the most is just seeing the lack of action from the House of Representatives, or from the Congress, I should say. But it just seems glaringly obvious that they are... But they have no incentive to codify Trump's agenda, to implement these orders as laws so that they cannot be reversed. And we know that in two years, you know, things will get a little bit interesting.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I agree with you. I think, A, we've had lots of wins on the Trump front. We need to have more wins in the legislative front, I think, Sonny, is the way that I would couch that. Now, I understand that the wheels of motion move fairly slowly on that end of things. You've got to try to get everybody on the same page. I also know that we don't have a lot of leverage in the Senate. You know, we are barely— a majority there, but the reality is there still is one. And I'm like you, I'm disappointed that we haven't seen more bills being sent through that would, you know, codify some of these things that Trump is doing. And frankly, I don't have a good answer as to why, other than I think there's just some weak Republicans right now.
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, there was even a list of, what was it, I think it was like 17 to 20, I'm not sure the exact number of house republicans that are unwilling to vote on the doge cut on qualifying the doge cut that it's like that is it quite possibly could be the most important uh... aspect of you know what the trump administration is trying to root out of the current government it's just it really is i guess it shouldn't be quite shocking because so many people are you know bought and compromised there's just really no other thing to say other than that
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and, yeah, I can't disagree with you on any of that. And they're, you know, bought and paid for in many different ways, and some of them have been there far too long, as we know. Again, you know, we can talk about term limits and things like that, but the reality is we don't have them, so talking about it is irrelevant until we actually have them. And, frankly, Sonny, I don't think we're going to have those any time soon. I'm sorry to say that, and I was not trying to burst anybody's bubble, but we've been – That comment, by the way, has been going around since I was much younger than you. So the reality is it's been out there for a long time, hasn't happened yet. I don't anticipate it happening. I think the biggest thing we need to do is just make sure that we are, which you and I do on a regular basis, but hold these people accountable, hold their feet to the fire, and that takes all of us in doing so. And what I mean by that, Sonny, is as these people are out and about doing their town halls and they're having conversations and or some bill is about to run, And, you know, you can call their office and leave a message or send an email. I mean, we have got to do those things and stay involved if we're going to hold these folks accountable.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. I mean, that is really, truly the only recourse for us. I mean, these people, you know, are supposed to be our elected representatives. And, you know, especially with the lobbying that's allowed. I mean, there is, you know, I heard this earlier, like it's the institutions that need complete control. reform. I mean, the institutions have crumbled, truly. I mean, I guess that's why it's so important to call out the truth of, you know, when certain things happen. For example, the Democratic lawmakers who either stormed or obstructed ICE from bringing in those criminals into the detention center in Newark, New Jersey. And they're discussing it today, you know, Speaker Johnson and whatnot. And They're like, well, yeah, maybe we'll censure them. It's like, okay, great. That's not what we're looking for. These people are actually aiding and abetting violent criminals. I don't understand how much more criminal can you get? It just makes absolutely no sense. People are extremely frustrated. I don't see really a change in sight. I'm not A.G. Pambondi's biggest fan, I would say, not only because of the lack of Action, which, as you mentioned earlier, things do take time, and you want to do it the right way, which I, of course, encourage and support.
SPEAKER 15 :
And really quick, and I have a ton of respect for you, as you know, I will give Pam a little more grace than probably some will, only because I know how that works. particular office and all the things work. And I know there's a lot of frustration from folks out there regarding her thinking she's not doing enough quickly enough, although the wheels of justice and making sure that the cases that she prosecutes, Sonny, so when they bring somebody in, it's so important, especially And so in her defense, in today's world, in what we're living in with all of these corrupt judges, keep that in mind as well, that she's now going to be up against as we bring some of these things through. I say we because we're all in this together. But as she brings some of these cases forward, they have got to be 100 percent buttoned up, sealed, making sure that there's a win there. Otherwise, it's a waste of time and it's a black eye for us if we don't.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. I mean, I definitely agree. I just do think that she lacks a little bit of fortitude when it comes to speaking about certain topics.
SPEAKER 15 :
And just really quick. And again, this is kind of a learning lesson, I think, for a lot of us, myself included. Keep in mind, that's not her job. I mean, she is not a communicator. She is not supposed to be in front of the microphone if there's. Anybody and this is one of the things that I have a complaint with in regards to us as Republicans in general and even the current White House and Donald Trump himself. We don't communicate well enough. But to give her a pass on that, Sonny, that's not her job. That's the White House's job.
SPEAKER 16 :
But do you think that—I mean, I just get frustrated with her, you know, many appearances on Fox News, right? Like, she's talking about all of these things that are happening, and I do think it's important. There needs to be transparency and whatnot. But I'm just frustrated. Like, those Democratic lawmakers, I mean, I'd have to, you know, kind of see the process, but it's—I mean— How can they're not just being outright like they need? They should be expelled from Congress like they there should be a conversation about what it actually means.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and again, this is this is probably like that is probably a little bit above my pay grade. But when it comes to expelling lawmakers, I believe that's above her pay grade as well. Now, she can do things justice speaking and, you know, legal speaking. But as far as how that works, as far as expelling an actual, you know, senator or congressperson, I think that's above her pay grade. Again, I'm not sure, Sonny, that's not something that I'm super up on.
SPEAKER 16 :
It's actually, right, I mean, it actually would take two-thirds of Congress. Like, they have to vote on it. They have to, it's the two-thirds of Congress, I believe, in order to expel somebody. But my point is that I just think that there have been so many examples where, you know, People want to see some sort of repercussion, some sort of consequence. It's just really frustrating. I'm willing to give And I'm like you.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm one where I was mentioning this a moment ago before I had you on where folks are thinking about the economy and it's not getting turned around fast enough, and yet we have some of the lowest inflation numbers we've had in four years that came out today. Some of this stuff takes time. In the case of Pambon, keep in mind, some of those folks have only been at it for about 90 days because of what it took to get confirmed and so on. And I just know even as a business owner that there are some things that – It takes you more than 90 days to get wound up and get going. So here's my thought on Pam, and this is where I'm willing to give a little bit of grace. I'll give her 180 days. I give six months. If we don't see some real action by then, then yes, I will definitely be on your side and be saying, listen, you're not doing enough. But I'm also one to know how some of that works on the admin sides of things, and I'll give that 180 days, but that's it for me.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think that's fair. I also think that there's a level of discrepancy here when it comes to the institutions that are not on our side, that are not on the side of holding people accountable. Absolutely. figure out how they're going to readjust the bureaus and the agencies in order to actually be following the law. Of course, there are so many good people, as they say, but a lot of these people, they won't even write the email, right? Saying five things that we did this week.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right. And really quick, you bring up a great point. And I want to dovetail, because I think I saw some things, you know, Kash Patel, FBI, the things that are going on there, which, you know, they and DOJ, you know, worked very close together. And I think there's even some folks that are a little frustrated that there's not as many things coming out of Kash that there would be. Again, I'm going to give him the same grace that I'm going to give, you know, Pam Bondi, and those two are going to work together. But remember that... They have to have things ironclad before they decide to go out and, quote, unquote, arrest somebody and bring someone in, you know, an ATF agent that's just gone rogue. I mean, before they bring some of those folks in and do anything disciplinarian speaking, they've got to make sure they've got their ducks in a row. Or again, Sonny, that person not only gets to go free or gets to go back to their job, that's going to be all over the news because the left will run with that, you know, from here to eternity and back. And then it gives us a black eye.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. And that's a really difficult obstacle to be up against.
SPEAKER 15 :
It really is. And so, again, I'm like you. I want to see action. I want them to get things done. But I also know that they have got to orchestrate things. And I hate to say it this way, Sonny, but it has to be darn near perfect, probably more so than it's ever been in the past because, to your point, who we're up against.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. And I mean, they will they'll take the narrative and spin it and people will believe it no matter what happens.
SPEAKER 15 :
So we know that, you know what, you are 100 percent correct on that one as well. Again, all the more reason why any agency, whether it be, you know, Kash Patel, whether it's Bissette doing things on the financial end, you know, whether it's Donald Trump himself, whether it's Pam Bondi, you know, I can go down the list of all of these different department heads. It's so important. that those guys get things right. And the fact of the matter is, they're like you and I. They are fallible. They are not perfect. They're going to make mistakes. And the problem is, we're in a day and age, Sunny, to where, I hate to say this, they can't.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. And this is just such an important time because, you know, if we, like, there's just so much already that has slipped through the cracks when it comes to, you know, the progressive creating laws that actually substantiate what their agenda is. And I mean, that's why it's so hard to fight back. And that's why it's so frustrating. We don't see the same sort of action coming from the other side, trying to conserve values, conserve our agenda. And so that is frustrating. But this is what we're up against. It's been going on for years and we have to just keep fighting, I guess. The one thing I can say is that we... We'll always be speaking the truth, and the more people that know the truth, the more strength we have.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and you bring up a great point, which is something I have to be reminded of as well, and I try to remind my listeners of. Some of this stuff has been so ingrained for so long, and yes, while all of us, myself included, want to see these things turned around yesterday, reality is, as I said earlier, the wheels of time in this particular case, they do go a little slower. You've got to make sure you've got your ducks in a row. We are fighting a huge—the swamp, as you know, Sonny— It is a huge machine that has ingrained itself into America over probably my entire lifetime. The past 50, 60 years, that thing has been there doing what it does best. And it is just like the economy. You're not going to turn it around on a dime. What's that old saying? Sonny, the bigger the ship, the longer it takes to turn it around?
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. And we're about to run into some big icebergs, I think.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, we have got a huge ship, and it does take some time. Now, all that being said, I'm with you, Sonny, that, yes, we still have to have action. And I believe this is something that the administration is not doing well enough at, the Pam Bondys and so on as well. You've got to celebrate the little wins. You've got to let your supporters know that, yes, we are winning at some of the things that we're doing. And if there's any complaint I have— and I always have had, with this particular administration and us as Republicans in general, we don't do what I just said well enough.
SPEAKER 16 :
Very much so. We do. And it is important to celebrate those things, and there is a lot happening, especially with trade, with the economy. I do believe that President Trump has a long-term strategy, of course, to turn the ship around and save our country from total disaster. as well as bringing peace among groups of people. You know, we've seen for so long the division that's been stoked upon us simply for profiteering.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 16 :
the elite to profit off of just division and chaos that ensues.
SPEAKER 15 :
And really, could you jump in there really quick, Sonny? Look at what's going to happen in the whole pharmaceutical end of things with what Trump just did with an executive order to stabilize drug prices and handle things to where we as a country are no longer going to handle the R&D for the entire world. That playing field needs to be leveled. And Sonny, you and I both know that there are there are politicians on both sides of the aisle that are in bed with big pharma that frankly are not going to, they're not going to like what they guarantee. They don't like what just went on because that could very easily affect their donations coming in from big pharma.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, absolutely. And China and so on and so forth.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right.
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They've been damn it for so many years and just making, you know, countless amounts of money. It's just endless. So again, Yeah, and that's why, you know, when people talk about President Trump and, you know, nefarious motives, or I should say influences, it's just, it's preposterous. I mean, you know, of course, like you said, everyone is fallible. We're not perfect people. We are flawed. But I think the proof is in the pudding, and we are seeing that the people are being put first. It does just take time because it's been so... woven into the intricacies of how our institutions work and the welfare system. One thing I'm seeing is that I would really appreciate more help from the states to help their citizens wean off of these programs like Medicaid. There's a big hullabaloo about those cuts and stuff like that. So that's something that I'd really like to see more of.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. Actually, we talked about that on the National Crawford Roundtable. Bob and I, we recorded some things this morning along those exact same lines, Sonny, talking about that very thing that you just mentioned. And in some cases, Sonny, I'll just say this. Yes, I think there's some things that the states could do. I also think that in some cases we've allowed certain things to go on for so long that some people have got so used to it that now they are up in arms because they actually have to go to work and not be on Medicaid.
SPEAKER 16 :
Very true. And a lot of this is also multi-generational. They're able to get their kids and so on to be kind of ingratiated into the plan, into the benefits.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it's been taught from, to your point, generation to generation to generation. I've seen different videos, and I get it. Not everything on social media is exactly true. But, Sonny, I've seen enough to where there are young ladies, for example, to where they may have five, six, I saw one, eight baby daddies, and maybe even having another one on the way, and they're mad because some benefits might actually be cut. And I'm thinking to myself, yeah, you are the problem in why we have to do some of these things because you have done nothing but suck off the system your whole life.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, it's very sad. And that, you know, leads to a greater conversation about our values and what we've, you know, what people have been, the types of mentality and values that people have been conceiving for so many years. That's something that I'm just so passionate about because I think without that, I mean, like you can see the barbarity, just the depravity of things that go on, whether it's, you know, illegal aliens being violent criminals, whether it's kids fighting and killing each other. I mean, it's like outrageous. Really, it's awful. So that, I mean, you know, just taking advantage of a system that, of course, is meant to help people. But it was also, you know, a lot of these programs were created to just have people become dependent. It's doing exactly what it was created to do.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, no, it goes back to you at Young Americans Against Socialism. The Marxist socialist aspect of things, Sonny, to your point, has exactly created that. And that's why I believe there's so many leaders, quote unquote, that do not want to see these things go away because it's a part of the playbook.
SPEAKER 16 :
Definitely. And it also just creates more problems for them. They have more issues to deal with. Okay, now we have all these people who aren't going to get any benefits. Are they going to have work? You know what I mean? What's going to happen to all those kids that aren't being cared for? That's right. And that's the problem when you have people dependent on the state. And that's why it's so frustrating because we look at our country and we're grateful for the economic independence that we have, but then there are also so many... once again, programs ingratiated into the system that are just woven in so deep. And that was really the work that they did, I would say, probably starting around 50 years ago, or maybe even longer, 75 years ago, that really set us up for the situation that we're in now.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right. You're exactly right. All right. How do folks find you, Sonny?
SPEAKER 16 :
You can find us at yaas.org, Y-A-A-S.org, to check out our resources, get involved. We are looking for contributors for content. If it's something that you're interested in joining our team to help us with social media, we'd love to chat with you and see what you're passionate about. And you can also support us there, support the mission, support the message. and get it out to as many people as possible. Thank you for having us on.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I always enjoy it. It's always a great time. Appreciate you very much. We'll see you again next week. In the meantime, folks, visit the website, donate as you can. And, Sonny, I will let you go. Thank you again for all your time.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you, as always.
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Join Mike Gallagher as he explores the intricate web of political media narratives. From Jake Tapper's eyebrow-raising shift about Biden's cognitive health to the media frenzy over the Air Force One discussion, Mike provides a critical perspective on the state of American media. Engage with discussions on the importance of genuine diversity and the unfolding transformation within young conservative circles led by figures like Charlie Kirk.
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He's the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here's Mike.
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Look at these headlines today. Hey, welcome into Wednesday. It's only Wednesday. And I've got a series of headlines that I just want to share with you. I mean, the days of show prep for my business are gone. We don't need show prep. Life just hits us all at the same time. And we get to gather in this little adventure called the Mike Gallagher Show and flesh it all out. Let me just read the headlines. Let's peruse through them, shall we? I mean, it's kind of wild. Annual inflation rate hits 2.3% in April, less than expected, the lowest since 2021. Headline two, grocery prices experienced the biggest drop in almost five years. Headline three, Trump tackles four global crises all at once during epic visit to the Middle East. Headline four, Jake Tapper tries to make millions exposing Biden's cognitive decline after he spent years hiding it. Headline five, Gavin Newsom is running for president as a conservative Democrat. And finally... The DNC moves toward nullifying the election of David Hogg. Now, I'm not in the business of caring what the DNC does very much, but why are they nullifying his election? Is it another coup? They're really good at coups over there on the Democrat side of the aisle, aren't they? You know, they couped Joe Biden. Now they're couping David Hogg. And I don't mean coup like C-O-O. C-O-U-P-I-N-G. It's becoming a verb. In fact, Victor Davis Hanson wrote a column about it. Coup after coup after coup. They just topple what they don't like. You don't want Biden? People elected him?
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2020?
SPEAKER 08 :
Wink wink. Let's push him over the cliff and put Kamala in there. That worked out really well for them, didn't it? That was a good decision. So if David Hogg, whatever his faults, was elected DNC vice chair, why do they want to nullify the election? You want to know why? Because the Democrat Party is a dumpster fire. They are a disaster. They got nothing. We've got a president right now that is absolutely epically getting so much done. I don't know how the guy sleeps. I don't know how the guy gets it all in. I don't know how he's pulling it all off. But he's pulling it all off. Look at a post I saw on social media from somebody who's not a Trump supporter. In fact, this is a guy, if you look at the history of his posts on X, where we love, I really like the whole X process, and we stream every day on X, the show, the Salem News Channel, and we hope you're following wherever you can catch the show, our podcasts, our podcasts. all of our social media accounts, X and Instagram, and subscribe to YouTube, and turn us up loud and clear on your favorite radio station. This is Arnaud Bertrand. I rarely praise Trump, but his speech in the Middle East is a genuinely incredible one. I've been arguing for close to a decade that the single biggest reason for the growing divide between the West and the rest was the West's inability to accept diversity, the genuine kind, not the fake, the kind sold to you by liberalism. Diversity of cultures, traditions, civilizations, governance systems, etc. Incredible diversity. And kind of disturbing, he says, that Trump is the first Western leader who seems to understand this and to criticize the West's missionary zeal to remake others in its image. Do you have that accompanying clip, Christian? Because I don't have the number with me. Okay, good. Let me play this for you. Thanks, Christian. Let me play this clip that Arnaud Bertrand is referring to. Because, again, he's not a Trump fanboy. He rarely praises Trump. But Trump is the first Western leader... who seems to understand genuine diversity of cultures, traditions, civilizations, governance systems. Look, let me just put this out there before I play this clip from Trump's speech yesterday. You know what's difficult about Gaza? We all can appreciate and grieve the suffering of all the men, women, and children in Gaza. Well, you know what makes it problematic? And I'm going to say something that is a very difficult thing to hear. Of course you hate to see many, many, many thousands of people killed in Gaza. But those people all want us dead. Do you understand that? That's what makes this so complicated. Humanity is difficult. It is so hard to process the reality that The Palestinian people, the people in Gaza, the Gazans, the people who report to Hamas and who overwhelmingly support Hamas, they support terrorism and bloodshed, they want death to the Jews, they want death to the Americans. They hate us. And I hate that. I do. But this is what's so hard about that part of the world. And this is what Trump has to tackle. Understanding the sheer... humanity, for lack of a better word, of the loss of life and the devastation as a result of Hamas. Children killed, blown apart, families torn apart, horrible things happening in Gaza. And yet the problem is, or something we have to tackle and at least recognize, we just have to acknowledge, they all hate us. Now, does that make them our enemy? Not necessarily. And that's what Trump is addressing with this Saudi-U.S. investment forum and his speech yesterday that this Arnaud Bertrand is referring to.
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Transformations have been unbelievably remarkable. Before our eyes, a new generation of leaders is transcending the ancient conflicts of tired divisions of the past and forging a future where the Middle East is defined by commerce, not chaos. where it exports technology, not terrorism, and where people of different nations, religions, and creeds are building cities together, not bombing each other out of existence. We don't want that. And it's crucial for the wider world to note this great transformation has not come from Western interventionists or flying people in beautiful planes giving you lectures on how to live and how to govern your own affairs. No, the gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called nation-builders, neocons, or liberal non-profits like those who spent trillions and trillions of dollars failing to develop Kabul, Baghdad, so many other cities. Instead, the birth of a modern Middle East has been brought by the people of the region themselves, the people that are right here, the people that have lived here all their lives, developing your own sovereign countries. Pursuing your own unique visions and charting your own destinies in your own way. It's really incredible what you've done. In the end, the so-called nation builders wrecked far more nations than they built. And the interventionists were intervening in complex societies. that they did not even understand themselves. They told you how to do it, but they had no idea how to do it themselves. Peace, prosperity, and progress ultimately came not from a radical rejection of your heritage, but rather from embracing your national traditions and embracing that same heritage that you love so dearly.
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Now, again, let me go back to this guy's post. The biggest reason for the growing divide between the West and the rest was the West's inability to accept the genuine kind of diversity that Trump is talking about. Diversity of cultures, traditions, civilizations, governance systems. This guy writes, incredible and kind of disturbing that Donald Trump is the first Western leader who seems to understand this. and is willing to criticize the West's missionary zeal to remake others in its image. Now, a serious legacy media, a serious American media, would give Trump tons of credit for that speech. A serious, responsible American media would be portraying this for what it was. Instead, we've got bellyaching about the plane from Cutter. We've got them squawking about him selling crypto. They're upset about the way he's decorating the Oval Office. We've got Jake Tapper who spent years denying Joe Biden's cognitive decline, mocking and attacking anybody who dared to suggest that cognitive decline was real. And now Jake Tapper is going to profit on a book that he wrote about Joe Biden's cognitive decline. That's the state of today's American media. And so we have to understand it, we've got to recognize it, and we've got to be grateful that we've got Donald J. Trump in the Oval Office. And that's not being a sycophant. That's not being part of a cult. That's being a straight shooter who understands how good we've got it right now. And how good things are going to keep getting. Stock market's going to keep improving. Real estate market's going to get better. The economy is going to keep roaring. Grocery prices are going to keep going down. Things are going to keep getting better. Because we've got a government, we've got a guy in Washington... Who knows what he's doing? 800-655-MIKE. Welcome in. 19 past the hour. We're in the Relief Factor studios. Give me your reaction to all of it. Again, we've got to remember the things that matter. To quote, I often think about the late Charles Krauthammer. Things that matter. He wrote a book. And it's an expression that I use a lot. Things that matter. You know who doesn't matter? The legacy media. They're dead. They're gone. They're gone. You know what doesn't matter? The whiners about Donald Trump. They're irrelevant. Ignore them. Let it roll off your back. Acknowledge and recognize and appreciate the great place we're in right now because we got it right in November. We got it right. 800-655-6453. Jump aboard and join us. Call or text. Let's put your voice front and center here on the Mike Gallagher Show. There's so many messages being hurled at you about how to lose weight, the medications. Do your homework on the medications. The millions and millions being spent on semaglutide. Are you kidding? You want to be addicted to a shot in the belly for the rest of your life? Take a natural approach, not connected to Big Pharma's bottom line. You can do it with the help of PhD Weight Loss, and I've got a big offer for you today. The first 11 callers who mention Mike. will get two free weeks added to their program. When you call their number, I'm going to give you the number in a minute, and when you fully commit to PhD Weight Loss, you'll get 15% off your entire program and a free weight loss and energy supplement bundle. Your program is always backed by their get results guarantee. Some restrictions apply. Just mention the keyword Mike when you make the call. Here it is. 864-644-1900. If I can lose 53 pounds and keep it off, you can too. Anyone can do this. You can do it from anywhere in America. PhD Weight Loss. Schedule your consultation today by calling 864-644-1900. That's 864-644-1900 or visit MyPhDWeightLoss.com.
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A lot of great text on the MyPillow text line from Paul in Philly. Why does the DNC want to replace David Hogg? Elementary, dear Watson, he wants to primary incumbents. Well, is that a fireable offense? If as the DNC vice chair he wants to primary incumbents, that's his prerogative. And either the Democrats will either do it or they won't. He's probably on to something, just like we need a primary incumbent of our own party. You think Tom Tillis should remain in the U.S. Senate? Are you kidding me? Did you hear Tillis went after Trump again this week over something? What was it? I saw it yesterday. I thought, boy, this guy, it's like he's... politically a dead man walking, and just is going to continue to torch Trump now on the way out and figure he can line up his MSNBC gig or something. I don't know what's happened to that guy. He was, was it the plane? I'm sure he doesn't like the plane, but there was something else he was upset about. And he was acting, it was unbelievable. This is the guy that torpedoed Ed Martin to be the U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia. Tom Tillis is anti-Trump. He's the North Carolina senator who needs to get primaried. We have no problem understanding rhinos who need to go, who need to get voted out of office. So why should that be a problem for the Democrats? Here's a text from Florida. The left always, always, always eats their own, Mike. Look at history, the French Revolution, the USSR, China, and more. They always purge their own. And then an interesting text from Pennsylvania. David Hogg caught a little interest before his age group started turning to Trump, especially young men. I was just talking to a friend of mine about that this morning, how Charlie Kirk has, I think, practically single-handedly turned young people conservative. And all this data is starting to be released about young people turning to religion, faith, marriage, Republican Party politics. And Charlie Kirk from Turning Point and one of our colleagues, of course, here at Salem... is all over the Internet, all over social media. He's so organic now. Every time you turn around, there's... And the most popular videos are when Charlie goes up against college kids on campuses. What's he call it? The Prove Me Wrong Tour or whatever. But he sits in a booth. He's got a huge crowd. 99% of the kids that are coming out, the thousands of kids that come out to see him, love him. But the 1% that hate him, they get a microphone and Charlie and the guy or the gal go one-on-one. These videos are all over the place. And young people love these videos. Young people love Charlie. Charlie is inspiring a movement of young people who are becoming more conservative. Look at the goofballs out protesting Trump in the streets. It's all aging white hippies. It's not young people. So that text is so smart from Pennsylvania. David Hogg caught a little attention early on when young people were sort of undecided, but he fizzled out. Doesn't have any momentum, doesn't have any juice. The guy with all the mojo now is on our side. It's Charlie Kirk. Let me talk a little bit about losing weight before we take your calls, and I promise we're off to your phone calls next. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. How's your weight? Do you get on the scale in the morning and you say, what can I do? Have you heard about these shots? I've got people I know in my life who've tried to get those shots in the belly. Every single person has got walked away sick as a dog, nauseous. They hated it, hated every bit of it. You don't want to be addicted to a shot in the belly for the rest of your life when there's Ph.D., weight loss, and nutrition. Do you watch Chris Stegall in the mornings on Salem News Channel? My lead-in, my predecessor before every day? Chris has lost, I think, almost 40 pounds already on PhD weight loss. I lost 53 pounds. He'll probably beat me, which is fine with me. PhD weight loss is a godsend. Three years ago, I lost 53 pounds. I've kept it off. I feel great. I know what to do. I'm never hungry, and I was never hungry when I lost all that weight. Make the call that can change your life the way it changed mine. It's called PhD Weight Loss and Nutrition. Call 864-644-1900. 864-644-1900. Schedule your weight loss consultation. First 11 callers who mention Mike will get two free weeks added to their program, and when you fully commit, you'll get 15% off the entire program, and you'll get a free weight loss and energy supplement bundle. Your program will be backed by their get results guarantee. Some restrictions apply. Mention the word Mike when you call. That easy. Call 864-644-1900 or go to MyPhDWeightLoss.com. MyPhDWeightLoss.com. Hal is back from Bucks County, PA. Hey, Hal, how you been?
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Good. Orson Welles told a whopper of a story decades ago, and he had the benefit of no television. The Democrat Party... And the politicians of the Democrat Party and the talking heads, like Jake Tapper and the rest of them, have been telling a whopper of a story for more than four years about Biden and his competency. And they forgot they were on television. There's a record of it.
SPEAKER 08 :
So what benefited Orson Welles... There's a record of it. ...has sunk them. There's receipts. There's receipts. Have you seen the montage of Jake Tapper attacking anybody? Now, you know Jake Tapper is now... publishing a book that he has written. It's a bombshell book. Oh, and Jake's making the rounds, Hal. He's saying, they lied about Biden's cognitive decline. Here's my book about his cognitive decline. Here's the montage. Hal, this is astounding. Check out Jake Tapper. Like you said, there's receipts. There's tape. There's proof of this. Here's Jake Tapper saying, A montage put together on social media, ripping into anybody who dared suggest that Joe Biden was suffering cognitive decline.
SPEAKER 03 :
How do you think it makes little kids with stutters feel when they see you make a comment like that?
SPEAKER 02 :
It's very clearly a cognitive decline. That's what I'm referring to.
SPEAKER 03 :
It makes me uncomfortable. It's so amazing to me that a cognitive decline. Biden embraces his stutter talking about it while Trump mocks it, exaggerates it, belittles it. He's sharp physically. I mean, mentally. I think the question is physically, right? Right. Right. And the guy who is his chief opponent is only three or four years younger than me. I mean, you have questioned President Biden's age, mental fitness, ability to lead of those supporting Biden. You said, quote, shame on all of you pretending everything is OK. You're leading us and him into a disaster. Do you worry that you damaged him at all? I don't doubt that you got hugs and handshakes behind closed doors today and maybe even publicly some of them because they like you personally. But I've heard a lot of really nasty stuff about you from your Democratic colleagues. I mean, just like what? What is he thinking? Exercise and narcissism. I mean, false claims to The Wall Street Journal about President Biden's mental fitness and acuity. He's 81 and his memory, you know, it doesn't seem great. It's not horrible, but I don't understand the outrage. Quote, behind closed doors, Biden's shows signs of slipping. Unquote. The Wall Street Journal is owned by News Corp, which is run by the Murdoch's. Beyond the headline, there is some critical nuance here. The article is mostly based on observations of Republicans, with former Speaker Kevin McCarthy the only one going on the record. They do note in the article that most of the criticism comes from Republicans. Have you heard any concerns from anyone who has met with President Biden about him seeming a little slower? No. The Russians are trying to do to make us and the public not trust our election integrity. Joe Biden has dementia and all this stuff.
SPEAKER 08 :
That was Jake Tapper of CNN in the past. Check him out now with his book.
SPEAKER 03 :
The bottom line is the White House was lying, not only to the press, not only to the public, but they were lying to members of their own cabinet. They were lying to White House staffers. They were lying to Democratic members of Congress, to donors about how bad things had gotten. And in fact, Alex and I started writing this book. after the election of 2024, and we spoke with more than 200 people, most of whom, almost all of whom were Democrats, and almost all of whom wouldn't be honest with us or wouldn't be candid with us until after the election. And then after the election, we found out all of these things that when you looked at what was going on with President Biden at the time, it probably doesn't surprise you the extent to which he was deteriorating. But now we have anecdotes and facts about what was really going on behind the scenes with details that Democrats wouldn't share with us until after Election Day.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. Golly. I mean, how embarrassing how that guy he's going to go on a book tour. Again, if we had a serious media, he would be hounded by questions about the way he ripped into anybody who dared question Joe Biden's condition. How do you think it makes little kids with a stutter feel, Laura Trump, when you suggest that he's suffering from a cognitive decline? You're picking on little kids with stutters. Yeah, because the 100-year-old guy supposedly had a stutter 100 years ago. Uh-huh. Nice try, Jake. Nice try. And you know the crazy part? I don't even think he's embarrassed. Do you think he's embarrassed behind closed doors? Do you think like privately he's ashamed of what he's become? Amazing. Absolutely amazing. 1-800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. Your voice coming up in just a moment. Let me talk to you a little bit about pain relief, the relief factor. People living with everyday pain think they're just stuck with it, right? It is what it is. It doesn't have to be that way. Look, I thought I had to have lower back pain for the rest of my life. Well, at the end of the world, it was probably a 2 or 3 on the pain scale. But, you know, I could live with it. But I didn't have to because I found relief factor. Relief Factor is a daily drug-free supplement that can help you feel and live better every single day. Their three-week quick start is only $19.95. In a few weeks or even a few days, you can feel the difference Relief Factor can make. You don't have to be stuck living with the pain. So this three-week quick start is a really ingenious way to see if we can get you out of pain efficiently at a low cost, $19.95, less than a dollar a day. And if it works, like I think it will, well, you're going to pay a little more, but you're going to be living the pain-free life that we get to enjoy as Relief Factor customers. Visit relieffactor.com, relieffactor.com, or give them a call, 800-4-RELIEF, 800 the number 4-RELIEF. The testimonials keep pouring in from people. George, a hardworking guy, 10 hours a day in a garbage truck, he started taking Relief Factor for his sore right knee that wouldn't bend. He said it changed his life. He said, and I quote, I can bend my knee again with very little pain. Call 800-4-RELIEF, 800 the number for relief, or visit relieffactor.com.
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Mike Gallagher.
SPEAKER 15 :
The Mike Gallagher Show on Salem News Channel and the Salem Radio Network.
SPEAKER 12 :
If we can get a 747 as a contribution to our Defense Department to use during a couple of years while they're building the other ones, I think that was a very nice gesture. Now, I could be a stupid person and say, oh, no, we don't want a free plane. We give free things out. We'll take one, too. And it helps us out.
SPEAKER 15 :
In the relieffactor.com studios, here's Mike.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, no, not the plane. Not the plane. You've got to grab that, Eric. Let's get, what was his name? From Fantasy Island. Herve Villachez. Come on, you've got to find that in the archives. The plane, the plane. Is that politically incorrect now? I'll probably get in trouble. But let's find it. Find that clip. And I mentioned the plane from Qatar, and the phones light up. People want to talk about the plane. We got a guy seeking world peace. We got a guy rounding up a trillion dollars of investment into the United States. We got a guy presiding over a government that is witnessing plummeting grocery prices, plummeting gas prices, inflation at a four- or five-year low. We've got no more illegals crossing the border. The border is secure. Stock market is soaring. And people have their panties in a wad over a gift of a $400 million airplane. You've got to be kidding me. Here's what Trump said last night on Fox News about Air Force One. As only Trump can do, he believes that Air Force One looks puny next to a lot of Arab leaders' planes.
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I'm not happy with Boeing, but we're going to work on Boeing. And Boeing's got... Some unbelievable people working for it. So I'm not going to do anything bad to Boeing. But they had a strong contract. I wrote the contract. It was a guaranteed price contract. And if I wanted to, I could, you know, hurt Boeing and I don't want to hurt Boeing. But they are very late with the plane and Qatar heard about it. And he's a great leader. And we were talking and he said, if I can help you, let me do that. And they had a plane, not a new plane at all, but they had a plane. And, you know, these planes, the plane that you're in right now is almost 40 years old. And when you land and you see Saudi Arabia and you see UAE and you see Qatar and you see all these, and they have these brand new Boeing 747s mostly, and you see ours next to it. This is like a totally different plane. It's much smaller, it's much less impressive, as impressive as it is. And, you know, we're the United States of America. I believe that we should have the most impressive plane.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, great. He had to say Qatar. Now that little old man that's mad at me, who's never going to listen to me again for the rest of his life, and he hopes that I burn in the fiery pits of hell because I keep saying Qatar instead of Qatar. Now he's going to write me again. See? See? Trump says Qatar. Tracy comes in today. She goes, well, you know, it's Qatar, but the Qatari people. You say Qataris? I said, I know, Tracy. I've never said Qatari. What am I going to say? The Qataris people? It's apparently Qatar. It used to be Qatar. Older people tend to think it's Qatar. Look, I'm an old guy, too, but... I'm supposed to be in the know here on stuff like this. People in the know say Cutter. People in the know say Kiev. We used to say Kiev. Now it's Kiev. Oh, my word. So, I don't know. Here's Robert in Bloomingdale, Illinois. He's back. He's called before. Thinks the plane is a bad idea. I just love this. I mean, let me just start. Robert, I don't want to put you on the defensive. I get it. You think the plane isn't a great idea. But can I ask you a question? Yeah, go ahead. In the scheme of things, world peace, soaring economy, all this great stuff, secure border, respect for the military, law enforcement, all the things. Is the plane really a big deal to you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Mike, here's the situation. I worked for the state of Illinois at one time, and there's laws out there for getting gifts to a lot of people.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sounds like a non-answer. Let me try again. In the scheme of things, considering all that's happening right now, are you really bothered by the plane?
SPEAKER 05 :
Personally, I'm not, but you're giving Schumer and Durbin a reason to go after you. Oh, we don't want to do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
We don't want to do that. Because if it wasn't for the plane, Chuck Schumer would be a big Trump supporter, right? Come on, Robert.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mike, Mike, but there's gift laws to elected officials and civil servants.
SPEAKER 08 :
You're repeating yourself now because, of course, the army of lawyers at the White House has thoroughly vetted that. I know you're probably smarter than his 900 lawyers in the White House who say it's perfectly legit. But there's no gift law that prohibits this whatsoever. But again, you kind of agreed you don't really care, do you? A $400 million plane gifted to us by Qatar, is that really that big a deal?
SPEAKER 05 :
Would you trust a country that used to be terrorists, given any type of a vehicle that could burst into flames? Trump's got to be careful when he's out there. There's bad elements out there, and who's to say that something could happen with this airplane when he's flying on it, bursting into flames in midair?
SPEAKER 08 :
Why do I get a sense that instead of having a conversation with me, all you want to do is read talking points? I keep asking you, do you think it's that big a deal? And then you start babbling about whether the plane's going to blow up because it came from Qatar. Do you not think our experts and our team of security personnel are going to scour it over every inch of it? Robert, the plane's not going to blow up because it came from Qatar. Again, for the fourth time, please try to hear me instead of regurgitating your talking points. I'm asking you a heartfelt question. Do you really care about the plane? Personally, no. I don't care about the plane at all. All right, that's it. Then that's the end of the conversation. And I don't know why you'd call to argue with me when you and I both agree that it's ridiculous. I mean, people are so silly. Here's a North Carolina text on the MyPillow text line. The plane is a gift to the United States of America. These idiots. It's not a gift to Trump. Trump is the commander-in-chief. Do you care that he lives in a huge mansion or that he drives around in bulletproof limousines? I mean, and of course, there you go. Robert admits, I don't really care, but you know, it's going to blow up. And it came from Qatar. There's gift laws that prohibit, as if the White House hasn't thoroughly vetted Trump. Every rule, every regulation, but it's a distraction. The bottom line, it just cracks me up. And I don't even get mad about it. It's so silly to hear people make silly points and suck up to the Chuck Schumers and the Hakeem Jeffries of the world who want the distraction. Check this out. The Democrats, the DNC, plans to fly a banner over Mar-a-Lago. The banner is going to say, Qatar-a-Lago. That's right. It's going to be a big banner that says, Qatar-a-Lago, which is, of course, an obvious reference to the plane controversy. And to hear, how about we give back the Statue of Liberty? What's that thing worth? How dare we take a gift from the French? That Statue of Liberty, we've got to send that back. Send that back immediately. Look, I don't mean to call Robert an idiot, because he's not, you're just not thinking it through. It just cracks me up. And, of course, once again, another moron from Oregon texting me. I know that we've got some good people in Oregon, but, boy, you've got a lot of fruits and nuts out in Oregon. Another goofball that I have to block from Oregon. Now, we read the Oregon text yesterday that said, maybe that's the same person. Probably is. I'm a fascist and I'm a liar. Uh-huh. Nice try. 800-655-MIKE. Tony in Downers Grove, Illinois. Hey, Tony, welcome back.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hi, how are you? Good, how are you? Okay, I just want to agree on one thing. They're worried about a $400 million airplane, and they're not worried about the $7 billion left behind in Afghanistan.
SPEAKER 08 :
What was the amount of money? How much did Obama put on the pallets to Iran? How much was that? $2 billion, wasn't it? Yeah, and they're worried about a $400 million aircraft. These people, again, there's absolutely, it's so silly to me to watch people on our side go down the rabbit hole. It's just amazing to me. Incidentally, a lot of people are texting me about Bill Clinton and a helicopter. Tracy can't find anything about Bill Clinton getting a helicopter. So I don't think it's true. It might be true. Who knows? Would it surprise you? Give me a, I mean, come on. 800-655-MIKE. It just astounds me. I really hope he keeps it. Because I love, you know what, it's dawning on me that reactions to Trump are like teasing a cat with a laser pointer. And the cat goes chasing all over the place and gets all excitable. And that's what the Trump critics are doing. That's what the media is doing. They've just got nothing else. They've got nothing else. They are more upset about the 747 than they were Obama and the pallets of cash delivered to Iran. They're way more upset about the plane. And, of course, it's because it's Trump. That's all it is. We're going to have to accept and acknowledge the misery of these people and recognize... that we've got to let it roll off our back. Travis in Greenville, South Carolina. Hey, Travis, how are you?
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Hey, Mike, how are you? Hey, listen, we need to accept the plane from Qatar because it's a gift to the people of the United States in the same way. The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France, and the Resolute Desk was a gift from England. We don't want to send those back. Why would we not accept the plane? It makes no sense.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it only makes sense when you recognize that they're only attempting to do this to try to throw whatever they can that might stick. They think maybe the plane will stick. And they are. They are unhinged. You see Hakeem Jeffries last night? I mean, the Democrats' hair is on fire over this stupid plane. And I really, really hope that he gets it, he takes it, they refurbish it, they make it the big, giant, beautiful flying palace, and then the ultimate insult will be when it gets parked at the Trump Presidential Library. I mean, like Trump said, Pennsylvania has pointed out in a text message, no one ever gives the United States anything. We give to everybody else. My goodness, why can't we get anything for free? That's what Trump is saying. He'd be stupid to turn it down. He can't get Boeing to fulfill the terms of the contract on the speed that he wants them to fulfill it. So guess what? Cutter wants to come along and say, hey, we'll give this to the United States of America. We'll give this to the Defense Department. And they want to give me a break. Sit down. Sit down. I love it. How about the millions and millions that Biden gave China? Or China gave Biden, rather. oh boy, oh boy, kind of gives you a headache, gives you a pain in the neck. Now, if you have an actual pain in the neck, you know what to do, right? It's called Relief Factor. Relief Factor is the 100% drug-free way that you can get the kind of pain relief that I've enjoyed over the years, been a customer for a long time. So many people living with everyday pain think that you have to live with it. It doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be that way. You see, Relief Factor was developed by a team of doctors and scientists, and they came up with something that is truly remarkable. This is not pharmaceutical. It's natural. Four ingredients, key ingredients that work on the inflammation that causes the pain to begin with. How about let's see if we can get you out of pain? The three-week quick start is $19.95. It's less than a dollar a day. It's like a low-cost way for you to take it out for a test drive. You don't have to be stuck living with the pain. Take it from me, a Relief Factor customer. Visit relieffactor.com. relieffactor.com or call 800-4-RELIEF. That's 1-800-4-RELIEF or Relief Factor. I love Tina from Chicago's text. Mike, it's like the game whack-a-mole. They can't keep up. It's true. They can't keep up with Trump. And it's a glorious thing to behold, isn't it? Let's show this great American company how much we have their back. MyPillow.com, promo code MikeG. Order pillows. These percale sheets are unbelievable. They're so smooth and silky and soft. $25. Final day for that price, incidentally. That closeout ends today. So this is your final day. If you're sending a kid off to college, order sheets for them. Order sheets for the local mission, a local ministry. Go to MyPillow.com. Find out Mike Gallagher's special square. Click on that box, and then with anything you order, enter the promo code MikeG. Or just pick up the phone to place your order.
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Mike Gallagher. Every day, Mike visits with Mark Davis. Morning host on 660 AM, The Answer in Dallas. Here's today's M&M experience.
SPEAKER 08 :
I want to bring back Carmelo Anthony to the table for a minute because there's a story that's reaching national proportions over this suspected teen killer. He's the kid who allegedly plunged the knife into the chest of Austin Metcalf, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
April 2nd at the Frisco track meet-up.
SPEAKER 08 :
Headline, Texas teen Carmelo Anthony set to graduate from high school. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
He ain't going to be at the ceremony, but he's earned credits and had a 3.7 GPA, so they're going to, you know. Well, maybe, I don't know.
SPEAKER 08 :
That just seems odd to me, but maybe the way you put it, maybe that's okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
You don't seem bothered by it? I think he and we have other fish to fry with regard to this young man. Like, is he a convicted murderer or is he about to be in a trial? If we even get a trial, this may have a plea deal written all over it. Interesting. Because his defense is going to be that he had to stab Austin Metcalf in view of the severity of the aggression Austin Metcalf was showing him. Got it. Plenty of witnesses. I think that's a long bridge to cross. Got it. It's foggy and weird that the prosecution may not be confident enough of a conviction. The defense may be scared to death of this guy going to jail for the rest of his life. So they may say, hey, Carmelo, how about 10, 15 years?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you for talking me off the ledge on that one because I thought, come on, why is he getting this? High school, you're right, though. The way you put it, you frame it, there's bigger fish to fry. Have you followed Tucker Carlson ripping into Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro for their criticism over Trump?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we talked about Levin and Shapiro yesterday. I have a feeling your boy Tucker has a different style.
SPEAKER 08 :
He's got a whole different take, and I've got the clip. I don't want to play it because I don't want to take any time away from you or me.
SPEAKER 07 :
How long is it?
SPEAKER 08 :
Because I actually haven't heard this. 39 seconds. Do it. Do it. Can you spare 39 seconds, Mark? Yes. Are you sure? Fine, yes. Are you sure? It's not 49. It helps. It's not 59. It's 39 seconds. Could have been over by now. Cut.
SPEAKER 1 :
Cut.
SPEAKER 08 :
It'll take me five minutes to see. Exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now we don't have time for it. It's time to go.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, cut five, Christian. Let's play this for Mark because this is intriguing because keep in mind the banner headlines in the legacy media this week have been massive. Agaworld turns on Trump. Prominent conservative pundits are turning on Trump. The walls are closing in now. It's all over. So here's Tucker on his podcast ripping into his former colleague over at Fox News, Mark Levin.
SPEAKER 09 :
This is Levin on Twitter, Mark Levin, who works at Fox, which basically seems to turn his programming over to advocating for Trump. or with Iran, neocon is a pejorative for Jew. Unbelievable. And this is in response to Witkoff saying, quote, the neocon element believes that war is the only way to solve things. So you have Mark Levin calling Steve Witkoff an anti-Semite. Right, right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And again, we've reached peak. I mean, I think Witkoff is Jewish, right? Again, but it's I don't even know. But again, it shouldn't matter. It shouldn't really matter. It doesn't matter. He's American and he's on the side of peace. And so I'm for that guy.
SPEAKER 08 :
So, Mark, let's let that sink in. It's an interesting argument because what Mark Levin said, and I raised my eyebrows when he said that.
SPEAKER 07 :
We both did yesterday. It's like, what?
SPEAKER 08 :
But neocon is code for Jew-hater?
SPEAKER 07 :
I know. These are weird times for some people who I've had some admiration for. Still do for Levin. He's a hero to me. Oh, I love the guy. Tucker has been. Tucker, not he has been. Tucker has been heroic to me in many ways. The last four or five times we've talked about Tucker, it's been because of some weird rabbit hole Tucker's gone down. But on this, I'm with him. I think he's got a point. There's something strange going on here.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, Witkoff is, you know, there is a real rift between what we call the establishment Republicans, the Republicans, I would argue, of yesteryear.
SPEAKER 07 :
But that ain't Levin. Good Lord, that's not Levin. No.
SPEAKER 08 :
Isn't it? Isn't it? Well, that's what Tucker's arguing, though.
SPEAKER 07 :
Here's what I think about them. It's kind of funny. We talked about Steve Moore, economist Steve Moore, who is definitely not GOP establishment. It is his libertarianism that drives his tariff hesitancy. Right. For Levin, and I sort of talked about this in my opening, you know, rant earlier, Right after 9-11, our minds and our hearts were plunged into the notion of what in the world do we do about this part of the world that wants to kill us. Livian, you, me, we were all on the same footing of we've got to go. We've got to take a war effort to the part of the world that's trying to kill us. I believe you and I, and certainly Trump, now look a little differently at that in the rearview mirror. I don't know that Levin does. I think he views it as a besmirching of the heartfelt efforts that we made in 2001 to 2010. And he will not have that effort besmirched. Right.
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Well, the argument is that Levin is just a forever war guy. I mean, here's a text as you and I are talking from Dallas on my text line, which I love the feedback. The instant feedback is always so good. And by the way, I don't want to leave today without getting personal with you over this segment. I got a heartfelt email last night. I read it before I went to bed. and I just wanted to share the contents of it with you before I do this. But the text line is also very valuable to me. 800-655-MIKE, if you want to give us your comments as the conversation proceeds. 800-655-6453. Dallas says, Mark Levin has always hated Tucker simply because Tucker doesn't want to go to war with Russia over Ukraine, and Mark Levin does. See, you think Lindsey Graham. Maybe not Ted Cruz so much, but you think about John McCain. This is what I mean by establishment Republicans who said, look, it's our job to be the world's police force. And if Russia gets out of line, well, then let's get ready to send our boys over to Russia. Send him out. And Tucker is absolutely MAGA. He is America first, America first. And that's what Trump has embraced. And that's why there's that sort of synergy between Tucker and Trump in a way that perhaps it doesn't even include people like Mark Levin. I hate to break it. I think that's precisely the landscape. And let's just stipulate, we love Mark, but neocon is not pejorative for Jew-hater. That is just ridiculous, and I just am so confused by that. I got this letter, an email last night letter. I got a postal. I got a postal. Myrtle rang me up from the country store. I need the letter opener. We'll get the envelope. Lick a stamp. Does anybody lick a stamp anymore? I got an email from a lady who said, you have no idea over the last four years how much your visits with Mark Davis mean to me. She says, and I'm paraphrasing, but she said, to be honest, I don't even listen that much to Mark that much. I don't listen to you that much. I never miss the Eminem experience. She said, you guys are so splendid together. There's something amazing. So organic about it. I mean, she went on and on. It was like a broadcast consultant. And it was just one of our listeners. And I hope no one ever loses sight of how much you and I appreciate and treasure. I'm not kidding you. Today was a crisis. There was a wreck on the Howard Franklin Bridge. And I thought, oh my gosh, I'm going to be late and I'm going to miss the M&M experience. And that's going to wreck my whole day. I just want... everyone to know how much we know you appreciate what we do together. Mark, there's just nothing like it. Your friendship and this segment is just gold to me. It's probably become more important than my show. I mean, I'm telling you, take 10 minutes of my day. It sets the whole tone for the day for me. It gives, I hope, you great content. It gives me great content.
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And I'm just eternally grateful. Content, schmontent. We talk all day, and truly and truthfully, about how it helps you get kind of a running start to your show. It's one of the best parts of mine. Broadcasting-wise, it's wonderful. People love it. You and I love it. It's great. But my heart is wrapped around this time I spent with you.
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So, uh, this Florida Man... They got into a fight at a school drop-off. This was in Boca Raton. This is like the most privileged thing I've ever heard of. A dad allegedly punched by a BMW driver at a Boca Raton school drop-off line. Yeah, the guy it got crazy. Now, when I first saw the headline, I saw a headline that said a parent had been punched and I immediately thought it was women. Because men, I don't know if you all know what y'all's wives get up to in the drop off line at school. But some of y'all's wives need driving lessons and attitude adjustments. Oh my gosh, get your women in check. I have seen, when I used to do school drop-off, oh my gosh, I watched women honk at each other. It was a Christian school. They'd honk at each other. They were not playing men. So I was actually surprised that this was two dudes, in full honesty. So this was Monday morning. A father got punched by an orate driver. Palm Beach County Sheriff had to respond. They said that they responded to a report of battery at Waters Edge Elementary School. When deputies arrived, the victim was dropping off his kid, a BMW caught in front of him. The victim honked his horn because I guess he was getting ready to drive and the guy caught in front of him. In an attempt to talk to the BMW driver, later identified as Kareem Mohamed, The victim pulled his car alongside the BMW. He drove in front of it. And then Muhammad got out of his vehicle and began, like, throwing punches. Approached the victim's car and began throwing punches. Sorry, sir. This is not Gaza. You need to calm down. And that's... Anyway, he ended up getting arrested. He was totally arrested. They had to track him down through his license plate. This cool crossing guard had to take a photo because the guy fled the scene. So now he's been accused of burglary with assault or battery and damaging property of over $200 but under $1,000. Like, just chill. Just chill in the carpool line. Just calm yourself. We could do a whole show on that. Let's see. A Florida man goes on a cashing out spree, smashing and raiding cash registers in a Walmart store in what has been described as the worst robbery technique ever. Broad daylight. It's a viral clip that started on Reddit. And a guy smashes all these cash registers to pieces. and stealing all the money inside of it and then leaving. He stuffed money into the pocket, into all of his pockets, and he walked to another payment point, smashed it up until it opened, took out the money. And he did this on like a number of other drawers. I mean, he was there for a long time doing this. I just am not quite sure like how this is allowed to go on that long without any kind of like security or anything. That was stunning to me. He had like no money and he went from register to register asking for change for $100 without presenting the money. And then he went wild when they said, well, you need to give us the $100 to make change. And then he went crazy. He destroyed 10 registers and took money out of 10 registers. Police finally arrived on the scene as he was leaving. He tried to evade, but it was tased. That's like... I mean, how long does that... It was like a while. That's like a long video. It was a very long time that this was happening. So, I don't know. Tomorrow, I'll tell you about the gator that has a chair stuck on its head. It's our friends over at Kel-Tec, the Gen 3 Sub 2K. If you don't have it, you need it. Now, I'm going to have to get this one. This is one that I actually do not have. And now it's 10 millimeter. I was like really wanted to run to the mic the first chance. The first time I heard of this, I was like, oh, I want to go tell everybody. So it's the new third gen sub 2K. This is the rifle that folds like in half, right? Innovation with a twist, that rotating forend. And you can, it deploys zeroed and ready to go. It folds up. Optics and all, you don't have to take anything off. And it takes Glock mags. You have a standard 15-round Glock mag, which is awesome. Glock 20. Got a lot of capacity for whatever your shooting needs are. And folds down to just under 17 inches for easy storage and transport. Lightened 5-pound trigger pull. Internal buffer for softer recoil. Integrated M-lock. Rails up top for accessory attachments. This is ideal for legit everything. And Kel-Tec makes everything right here in the U.S. of A. You're talking about American labor, American parts, American manufacturing. We need more American companies like Caltech. Caltechweapons.com, innovation performance. Caltech, it's the new sub-2K Gen 3 10mm. Learn more at caltechweapons.com. K-E-L-T-E-C, weapons.com. Tell them Dana sent you.
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Wow. No, they don't. They don't want to answer questions. I can't wait for the press to go apoplectic because Democrats aren't in the press. People like don't try to make your names now by pretending to be journalists. You miss that boat. That boat sailed. It's gone. It's not in the harbor anymore. It's away from the dock. There's there's no there's no reclaiming it. The idea that. People didn't know is one of the dumbest things ever. I guess they think everyone's stupid enough to believe it. It is amazing to me. It's actually a medical marvel, really. How many people suddenly realized that Joe Biden had issues? They took a new medicine. I don't know if you've heard about it. It's called getting a book deal. And like Jake Tapper is taking getting a book deal. And a lot of these people that were in the Biden administration, they all took got a book deal.
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How do I find out if got a book deal is right for me?
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Ask your doctor if got a book deal is right for you. Welcome back to the show. Dana Lash, top of the second hour. Listen across the country. The stream is at channel 347, DirecTV. The chat's at Rumble, though. All that good stuff. Yeah, it's it's called Got a Book Deal. It's an amazing, like modern marvel of medicine, wherein you're able to see that someone is barely like functioning, like barely cognitively there. It's wild. Like they didn't know before. Apparently no one else knew. I love how the press is like, you need us to tell you these things. I saw him fall up the stairs. I saw him forget where he was and not be able to speak and have somebody in an Easter Bunny costume redirect him back to the White House lawn. Saw these things. The press did, too. And then they said it was cheap fakes when we would post the video of it. All those are cheap fakes. They're very expensive. Real video, sir. Thank you. It's not a cheap fake. It's very expensive. Real video. But they were insistent that, oh, no, you are all wrong. You're all so wrong. And I don't know. They were all part of the problem. Audio Summit 11. So Jake Tapper is, you know, he's not just he's probably not a client. I've got a book deal. He's the president of the company. Just this is what I'm talking about. Here's a little montage. Just take a little look-see.
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How do you think it makes little kids with stutters feel when they see you make a comment like that?
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It's very clearly a cognitive decline. That's what I'm referring to. It makes me uncomfortable.
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You are no... It's so amazing. It's so amazing to me that... And try and figure out an answer. A cognitive decline. Biden embraces his stutter, talking about it, while Trump mocks it, exaggerates it, belittles it. He's sharp physically. I mean, mentally. I think the question is physically, right? Right. Right. Right. And the guy who is his chief opponent is only three or four years younger than me. I mean, you have questioned President Biden's age, mental fitness, fitness, ability to lead of those supporting Biden. You said, quote, shame on all of you pretending everything is OK. You're leading us and him into a disaster. Do you worry that you damaged him at all? I don't doubt that that you got hugs and handshakes behind closed doors today and maybe even publicly some of them because they like you personally. But I've heard a lot of really nasty stuff about you from your Democratic colleagues.
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I mean, just like we have like two minutes. What is he saying? Little kids with stutters. How dare you point out that the president literally has no idea where he is. How do you think little kids with stutters feel about that? What? Yes. Little kids with stutters. How dare you bring up the question of the Coke in the White House with baby infant Hunter Biden? What about all those children with scoliosis out there? How do you think they feel about that? What does that have to do? Shut up. What do you hate? Stuttering children with scoliosis. I mean, it just like just keep checking them boxes. You know what I mean?
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And then one short year later.
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Oh, I know. I like here. Steve has this flashback from NBC. Republicans float a quiet conspiracy theory. OK, full stop.
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It wasn't quiet.
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They float a quiet conspiracy theory that Biden won't be on the ballot. And they talk about his health and his his cognitive ability. Oh, my gosh. They just I tell you what. Oh, my gosh. His stutter. Poor Joe Biden stutter. Poor America stutter. Like, no, come on. But now, oh, man. Audio Sun by 12. Now it's all different. What? What cheap fakes? What do you mean cheap fakes? Listen to this now.
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Well, Obama's side of that story is he wasn't sure what was going on, but he just wanted to get out of there. And he wasn't going to get out of there without Biden. So he grabbed him and it was more just his impatience than anything else. But other people who were there.
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See, this is the part where he starts to come around. Well, you know, he really wanted to get off the stage. He probably had to pee or something. I don't know. But look, I mean, clearly he was very nervous and about getting off the stage and he didn't want to leave without his best friend, Joe Biden, because, you know, they go everywhere together. Right, right, right, right. They go everywhere together. I mean, the lies. And now they got books on it. Now they have books on it. It is amazing. Audio soundbite 15. Wait, did we play? We haven't played 15 yet. Or was that the one we played? Is this a different MSNBC one? I think it is. Okay, yeah. They all are stunned. I mean, these reporters, everybody, they're stunned. What? Watch.
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And was up.
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You said in June of last year, in my meeting with President Biden, I found him being command and impressive and wielding influence to make progress on key priorities. But in that same month, Biden apparently did not even recognize George Clinton fundraiser. Were you being straight with the American public? Look, we're just looking forward.
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We're just looking forward. Well, what about how you guys all lied and you hid the fact that Biden was in a severe cognitive decline? We're looking forward. No, no, no. We need to ask this question about this. It's all about looking forward. Looking forward, would you hide another decline in cognitive ability for a president of your party, sir? That's the question I would have asked. I would have been like, well, okay, all right, Senator Schumer, looking forward, would you totally lie your beans off about, you know, the cognitive decline of the president of your party? Would you lie again and hide that from the American people, you know, looking forward? Nobody asked that question because the press is still kind of scared of Democrats. This is why I don't like anybody getting cozy with the government. And this includes and this includes Republicans, Democrat press. They fall over themselves to ingratiate themselves with the Democrat Party. You've seen it right to the point where they won't even. I mean, the guy fell up the stairs and, you know, forgot that he tried to find a guy who was dead in the audience at one point. I mean, there's no shortage of stories. You guys were there. And they pretended that, oh, no, nothing to see here. Totally normal. Totally normal things happening here with Joe Biden. Totally normal. It's asinine. It's like, yeah, like Kane says, like you get pulled over for speeding. No, no, no. I'm looking forward. You just keep looking backwards. Can you use that excuse for anything, really, though? No, I'm looking forward.
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It really absolves you from any accountability.
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Why did you club that baby seal to death, sir? Well, we're looking forward now.
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We're looking backwards.
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Yeah, stop living in the past and being negative and divisive. Well, my whole point is that the Democrat press, they're terrified of burning that access to power. So that's why they covered and looked the other way. Wait, they're pretending that they don't know? Okay, we will too. They... had no idea. They want you to believe they had no idea. I don't want the right to be like that and be so ingratiated with government. I had somebody bragging to me one time that they went to a cocktail party with some government thing and I'm like, you're bragging about hanging out with the government. Back in the days of our founders, we'd probably burn you at the stake. That's worse than being a witch. What are you talking about here? They're never going to recover any esteem not that they had a lot anyway but they're never going to recover any respect that the american people would have for them not after this there's not not at all not after this not after this he i i don't know i had somebody remark tap or acts like he bought a ticket to the concert when he was actually a member of the band That's exactly it. That's a great way to put it. That's an absolutely great way to put it. Goodness. Yes. When did you know? Oh, and then Chuck Todd on Schumer. Remember, he was also part of this. And now they're trying to really ratchet up their angst because they think if they act outraged and if they pretend that you don't know where they were these past four years, that they're going to be able to redeem themselves and still be relevant. This is audio somebody at 16.
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It's Chuck Todd. Go. He is among the people that are responsible for this. The leaders of the Democratic Party, the staff of the White House. And I have to say, I find everybody now talking to these authors.
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Can we freeze frame his hair? I am not. I know I was going to talk about his response, but what in the world is happening with that hairline? This is very important news. What is happening here? We just comb it forward now like that?
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Maybe it was a flow bee.
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You know, the only people who have haircuts like that are the British kids in the projects, right? That's... You know what I mean, mate? It's that hair. It's that haircut. Anyway, I had to say it. Somebody had to. He's pretending that he's so upset, like he's part of the problem. You were all there, right? You were all there. It's like now they're trying to throw on red hats and be like, no, wait, we were here the whole time. No, you weren't. You guys were calling us names and saying that we were conspiracy theorists and the whole nine yards. You guys did all of that. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? No, they were there. They were there. They were involved in all of it. So I don't know this. I don't think that they're going to know this is audio somebody 10. Kevin O'Leary hit it. I thought this is a great statement. Listen.
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was broken. And look at what happened to the country, and look at how he's being beaten up. It's almost immoral what we're doing to him now, to sell books. I was there at the White House dinner watching this. The same reporters who didn't report on him are profiting from his decline. It's outrageous what they're doing.
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Which dinner, by the way? Well, of course they are, because information is a product. How it's delivered is another product. And that's one of the things that I hope everybody realizes. There is no pure news anymore. There hasn't really ever been, especially if you understand the origin of the press in our country. There's never been pure press. And there's never been a more odious attempt to, I think, make money off of news gathering than right now. It's always been a propaganda battle, always, ever. But now it's, I mean, they're wanting to merch it out in a million different ways. We're going to cover for it and make money. Then we're going to act surprised and make money. And then we're going to write books about it and act like we uncovered and got the scoop of all the people who knew. I don't believe in regular... I don't believe in that journalism. There is such a thing as the pure practice of it. I think there are some people that prioritize news gathering and giving information to the people more than they like to worship at the altar of their vanity. But... There's never been just like pure news gathering. There never will be. That's that has been a lie that has been perpetuated for years in this country as a way to sort of sanctify the press. And the reality is that they're, in some instances, like prostitution sometimes is really a more honest trade at this point. Our partners, All Family Pharmacy, they can help you out with all the medications that you need. With All Family Pharmacy, it's all about convenience, and you can take control with up to a one-year supply of essential medications, things like your blood pressure meds, your cholesterol, your diabetes treatment, so you don't have to worry about last-minute pharmacy runs and stay ahead of your health. And it's all affordable. I mean, you can get it shipped fast. It's affordable, no insurance, no problem. They have straightforward pricing, online ordering. Shipping is just like two to four days. But if you need it overnight in a pinch, your health is always within reach. They'll make it happen. And it's all made right here in the U.S. of A. Your medicines are manufactured right here in America. You don't have to worry about inputs or precursors from China. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana for 10% off. Use promo code Dana10. Don't wait. Be prepared. Protect yourself and your family today. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and use coupon code Dana10 to save 10%.
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Hamas releases its last American hostage just hours before Trump's trip to the Middle East. Lefties in the media now insist they didn't hide Joe Biden's decline. It was their sources. who lied and Homeland Security is investigating whether Los Angeles County gave our Social Security benefits to illegals. I'm Greg Karumbas, inviting you to join Jim Garrity of National Review and me each weekday for the Three Martini Lunch podcast. We'll give you the good, bad and crazy news of the day and hopefully a lot of laughs, too. Follow the Three Martini Lunch on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. And now all of the news you would probably miss.
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It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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Really don't think there's anything better than a simple mind's bumper track of New Gold Dream. Really don't think so. All right, so the, ooh, Mission Impossible, The Final Reckoning. Everybody's very excited about this. I'm actually going to, I rarely go to the theaters anymore, but I am going to go see this. The first one was phenomenal. Well, the last one that they did. The storyline, AI, Warfare, was phenomenal. But he apparently hangs from a helicopter in one of the stunts. I watched some video online. Dude, that's just absolutely insane. So this is the eighth film. It's called The Final Reckoning. And they're really paramount, which I think owns the game right now. They got a lot riding on this. So they said that it's been about $400 million. And they've had production delays, mostly due to the 23 strikes. It's going to be one of the most expensive films ever made. The first the seventh one was phenomenal. So I think this will be really good, too. We'll see. So data. So it's not just a feeling. Data is showing that also boys and young men, per The New York Times, are falling behind. Educational achievement, mental health transitions to adulthood. indicate that many are not thriving. Well, that's just what feminists wanted, wasn't it? Wasn't that what third and fourth wave feminists wanted? They didn't want equality. They wanted to destroy men so they could give themselves something to bitch about later, so that they could always play weak, ineffectual victims. That's all they ever wanted to be. It's sad because they said now there's enough data to show that, I mean, everything from school to even perceptions in society, like toxic masculinity. Everything is designed to basically be abusive to boys. Education, hiring. You have like now women are outpacing men in top positions in major cities. Of recent male high school graduates, 57 percent are enrolled in college, barely up from 54. But now it's 66 with women, which has doubled in recent years. I mean, that's just the way it is. Mental health harder for boys than it is for girls lately. So this is this is a real thing. And I think people need to get a handle on it. Also, your brain is shrinking, even if you exercise regularly, if you sit too much. Interesting. So get up if you don't want to be stupid. Maybe that's kind of what it is. We have a lot more on the way. Stick with us. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the bottom of this third hour. You can listen coast to coast, the stream channel 347, the chat at Rumble. And again, we are not responsible for those people. We don't those people are going to make a man. That's all I'm going to say. If you are a subscriber over at Chapter and Verse, over at Substack, there was a really good piece. And I heard from a lot of folks on this, including some of my very good friends who either have spouses that are on the spectrum or they have children that are on the spectrum. Because this is... It's a weird thing. They're very excited to see... America incorporates some healthy standards. But at the same time, some of the discussion on some of the issues is not good. And this all stems from, let me go back to this, April 21st, Health and Human Services announcement. So they said under the NIH director, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, that they were going to create a new, and the phrase was a new disease registry for focused on autism. And a lot of people were up in arms, understandably, about this. Because first off, why are we making a list? Number one, I don't understand what the obsession is with registries. But also, when you're describing a particular issue, It's like you can't use a blanket term to describe it while you're also simultaneously stating that you want to help alleviate it. That doesn't help. So there's a really good piece from our contributor, and you know her, she moderates the chat as well, Lorraine Uriar, who I'm not rolling my Rs, she said I didn't have to, that it's called RFK Junior's Troublesome Autism Registry. And if you haven't read it yet, it is a must-read deep dive on this issue. And not just her experiences as well, but also why it's a problem that NIH is looking to deal with this issue nationally in this way. Lorraine Uriar joins us now via video. Lorraine, good to see you. This was a great piece. There was a lot of really good feedback on this. Give me your first thoughts. Thank you. I appreciate it. When you first heard this, like, disease registry, I mean, I have family and friends that either have kids with autism or themselves they have autism, and from my experience, that's how none of them have ever described this issue. What did you first think of when you heard that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, the biggest problem to me is how RFK just talks about autism, period. He seems to have... I don't know the worst stereotype to apply to way too many people. He keeps quoting that like 26% number, which he got from the CDC study. But the CDC study put everybody labeled level three autism into that 26 number. And like, I have a child who's considered level three autism. And she used to be considered high functioning, autistic. So she doesn't fit that profile that he's talking about at all. I've said before, too, if you meet one person with autism, you meet one person with autism. So I know that our my family's experience with autism, because I have autism, I have my oldest has autism is autistic, and my my, my middle child also autistic. We're all on the higher end of the spectrum. I can completely understand why people who are on the lower end of the spectrum are all very, very much want something done. I can understand that because I mean, there's so much out there and it's hard to watch your kid be that way and not be able to do much. But the way that RFK is talking about everything, I don't think he's actually looking for what people think he is. I think he's looking for I think he's already got an answer in mind. And he's looking for data that will support that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Interesting, because he uses the phrase and you you touched on this as well, on the phrase profound autism. It's a new term that you wrote was coined in 2022. And you write that's meant to refer to people who need 24 seven care who can't live on their own and you talked about these this is where you said the stereotypes that he's referring to belong but you also say well the cdc seems to classify everyone on level three as such and then there's even more problems yeah well level three is like um you're non-verbal or barely verbal
SPEAKER 14 :
Like, I mean, in, in my case, my, my daughter can talk, um, but she doesn't talk to people. She doesn't know. It shouldn't talk often. So she got classified as level three. Um, but she's nowhere near anything like what he describes as, you know, this profound autism, profound autism is meant to, um, basically for the kids that are like, or the, or the people that are, um, the IQ is under 50. And that's what profound is supposed to mean. And the whole reason for this whole this this term profound is because The DSM-5 kind of screwed us all up and dumped us all into one big pile and then tried to sort it out with these levels. And they don't really do much.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. And that's a problem. We're talking with Lorraine Urar, if you're listening, moderator over at the chat at Rumble and a contributor at Chapter and Verse as well. You really dove deep into this because you noted, too, the study that he cites here. You know, the number of these diagnoses, have they increased over the years? But that profound, again, going back to that newly coined phrase, that's actually stayed relatively steady. But his claim is that it's a growing epidemic.
SPEAKER 14 :
How do you take that? I look at the data and he likes to say, oh, well, it can't possibly be because of better diagnostics. And in fact, in that article, there's a chart from California that shows how it's increasing. And I plotted on that chart where the DSM-5 diagnostics changed for autism and where federal money got involved for the school systems. Because prior to 1975, school systems did not take special needs kids. Yeah, it was very rare for a school to take a special needs kit. And once 1975, the first Education for Disabilities Act or whatever, I forget what I forget exactly what it's called, was passed, the federal government started funding this stuff and that's when school systems start looking for it and a lot of kids with autism these days are diagnosed in the school system and so you know between that and the no child left behind um which under no child left behind uh anybody that was a special need You still had to get standardized testing, but you had a modified test and your score counted differently. And so because of that, it kind of gave the school system an incentive, a financial incentive and to start labeling as many as they could.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow. That is, I mean, that explains a lot, quite a lot. And you get into that with this piece over at Chapter Inverse over at Substack, for those of you who are turning in or just tuning in. There's also the issue you touch on, because I think that Dr. Bhattacharya and RFK Jr., it seems like they're kind of walking back this registry. Because the first thing I thought of when I saw that, when I, and of course you touched on this in your piece, but the thing that popped in my head was, okay, well, what about like privacy, like HIPAA and, and patient privacy? Like how does that factor into like creating a registry? What would that solve?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the, the problem isn't so much the registry. They do have disease registries for other issues that they follow. And, and that's not necessarily the problem. The problem is, um, And I can see the good and bad to this, but Dr. Bhattacharya wants to create a real-world platform where he wants the NIH to become a one-stop shop for all of the health data that researchers might need. And he also wants it to be able to track patients in real time. And he says that inside this real-world platform, the personal identifying information would be stripped out so that researchers can't find it but it's going to be in there because they're going to be getting data not just from medicare and medicaid they're going to be getting data from the va tricare private healthcare industries your smartwatch wow they plan to get data from they plan to get data from everywhere and they want to be able to connect you that patient across all of those different sources so that your information is all tied together, which means that whatever way they do that has to be inside the platform where when they get my stuff from my private doctor versus my TRICARE doctor, they can link my name together and then put that same anonymizing ID onto that documentation. So that's a problem because the federal government's been hacked like a lot, like 1200 times in the last seven years. So yeah, it's crazy. So I don't trust for one bit that they wouldn't get hacked. And on top of that, he says, he seems to think this is going to help by saying that, oh, we're not going to let anybody download your information. They have to access it from here. So that means that whenever they want to work with data, they have to be online, which means the database has to be online 24-7. Do we really think that's not going to get hacked? Like that's going to be a huge problem. Wow. And the thing is, people need to realize this doesn't just apply to autism. He's planning to extend this to every chronic disease that they're doing research on. So diabetes is going to be in there, arthritis, anything that they do research on, any chronic disease, he wants all the data for it to be in this platform.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that worries me because we've, as you noted, I'm still trying to process 1,200 times in seven years. That is insane. I think of the Social Security information that was hacked and leaked, IRS information that gets hacked and leaked. Who's to say that? I mean, depending on who we have in the White House in 2028, I mean, we saw during COVID things be leaked and be weaponized and used against people. Who's to assure us? What's the guarantee that this wouldn't be the same? I mean, I don't see any.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. There's, he's like, Oh, well, we're gonna have state of the art protections. Sure. Sure. And I'm sure they had state of the art protections on our social security data that got hacked. So, you know, I don't really trust it. I, I don't trust that it won't get hacked.
SPEAKER 12 :
I do.
SPEAKER 14 :
I do understand the benefit for what he's trying to do. because like one of the things he said is that with data in so many different sources the nih then has to buy access to that data and then they wind up just so they'll buy from company a and then they'll buy from company b and when they get the data from both companies they wind up finding out it's the exact same data so they've paid twice for the same data and so i understand that it's like i get what he wants to do and i understand it But at the same time, it's a bit concerning. It's kind of like how the NRA right now, or not the NRA, the 2A, the National Gun Registry stuff, how the federal government can't have an actual gun registry, but Technically, there is one because all the FFA's have to keep all that documentation. And then once they shut down those, they shut down the little small gun shops, all that data gets sent to the federal government where they're digitizing it because, hey, it needs to be searchable. So what we have there is just a It's non centralized, but it's still a gun registry. It's just not centralized. Well, what we have now is still like a database for health. It's just not centralized. Yeah, which helps to prevent so much of it from getting hacked. But they want to just centralize everything into one place.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's terrifying. Terrifying realization. One last quick question, too. I it feels like their heart is in the right place when they talk about how to best assist people in autism community. But I feel like this it seems like it's a very universal, almost kind of one size fits all or they're trying to figure out how to kind of distill it down. to make it like the easiest and most kind of universal application. And I feel like out of every thing that's out there, this is like so individualized that you just can't approach it that way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. It's difficult because like I said, the frustrating thing with RFK is he keeps saying genetics is a dead end. Genetics is a dead end, but we already know there's so much evidence out there that genes play a really key role in everything. They have found one genetic mutation that is the difference between how autism presents in men and women. They have found hundreds of potential mutations that might be affecting how autism works. they found at least seven genetic mutations that appear in like families that have hereditary autism, like my family does. So genetics is definitely key factor here. There is a possibility that environment could play a role. But we also know that your environment can affect your genetics.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And so there's, there's studies that can be done, like the whole vaccine thing. Everybody likes to quote, Andrew Wakefield, and his study was so bad, and so debunked. And I wrote about that in the first piece I did on this. But we don't have any studies that show what vaccines might do to our genetics. We don't have any vaccines that show what vaccines might affect on our genetics over time, right throughout generations. And that's something that could be studied, but we're not going to get that out of this crew. They are so insistent. He has actually legitimately says that he knows that it is an environmental toxin or something.
SPEAKER 12 :
You can't shut off half of the queries like that.
SPEAKER 14 :
He's compared autism to smoking cigarettes.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, you can't do that.
SPEAKER 14 :
You can't trust anything that comes out of this because, like I said, it seems like they already have decided on what the answers are. They just want to try to find the data to fit.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. The piece is RFK Jr.' 's Troublesome Autism Registry. It's a very good, thorough read on this issue. And you should definitely read it from Lorraine Uriar. Always a pleasure. Lorraine, this is a great piece. You do great work. Go and read her over at Substack, chapter and verse. Find her in the chat. You can see the chat folks in the back over at Rumble on the daily. Lorraine, always a pleasure, my friend. We'll talk with you again soon. All right, see you. See you. God bless.
SPEAKER 11 :
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