Join host Kim Munson as she delves into the untold stories of service and sacrifice with her Aunt Irma. From her childhood during the Great Depression to meeting her future husband amidst the chaos of war, Aunt Irma opens up about life on the homefront. Discover the heartfelt letters exchanged during WWII, encapsulating a love story that endured the trials of separation and uncertainty.
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American war heroes from World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. They selflessly served, and these are their stories. America's Veteran Stories with your host, Kim Munson.
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Welcome to America's Veteran Stories with Kim Munson. This show precipitated from a trip that I took in 2016 with a group with the Denver Police Activities League that accompanied four D-Day veterans back to Normandy for the 72nd anniversary of the D-Day landings. And I return back to the States realizing that each story, each soldier's story is different, and they're important, and they need to be told. So I've had the great honor of interviewing over 130 World War II veterans. But we have an exceptionally special show for you today, and that is I am talking with my Aunt Irma, who she was married to my dad's oldest brother, and he served in France during World War II. Aunt Irma, welcome to the show. Thank you. You know, as a kid, I was talking to my cousin Jeannie. I didn't really realize that my Uncle Wayne, my Uncle Bob, and my Uncle Harold all had served in World War II. I just looked at you guys as people that I just loved to be around. And so it's not until really that I started getting these stories that it's like, oh my gosh, what those guys have done is pretty amazing. But a lot of times we don't get to talk to the people that were back stateside. So, Aunt Irma, tell us a little bit about you. Where did you grow up and what was your childhood like?
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Oh, well, I grew up in Eastonburg City. I grew up during the Depression and the Death Bowl years. But, you know, that being said... We didn't know that we didn't have a lot of food and minks because everybody was in the same boat. We always had plenty to eat and things. But that's when I grew up around Bird City.
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Well, and how did you meet my Uncle Wayne?
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Oh, that's a funny story. And believe me, Tani takes it to the hills. When I was a freshman and Wayne was a junior, I walked out of my sister's front door to go Christmas caroling. And as I walked by, Wayne was walking by. And so I walked with him to the schoolhouse, and we got into a truck and went Christmas caroling. There was quite a bunch of us, and we just drove around Bird City and Christmas Carol from the truck. Well, there was this teacher, Miss Frisbee, and Wayne had a nice-looking tan coat on and a pretty scarf around his neck. and you can imagine not too many people had scars around their neck during the Dirty 30s. And he had this scarf, and the teacher and I, when I was trying to get it off his neck, take it, and, oh, he would fight with this and everything to keep that around his neck. I didn't know him at the time, but at a later time, he told me the reason he fought so much is because it was at the bottom of his pajamas, and they were pagey.
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Oh, that's funny. That's funny.
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Yeah, that's when I met Wayne, when I was a freshman. Did you start dating then? Yeah. No, no. It wasn't until after I was out of high school that we started dating. He had had one year of college, and he was going back for the second year, and then he got his breath noticed. What year was that, Aunt Irma?
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1942, the fall of 1942. Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay. Now, so it would have been in 41 when Pearl Harbor was bombed. Do you remember where you were when you heard that that had occurred?
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Oh, yes, I remember everything about it. It was on a Sunday. We had just gotten back from church, and we got a telephone call from my sister in California. My brother had already been in the service a year, and he had come to see her. And he had gone for a short time for a walk and he was going to come back and have lunch with her. But he never came back. She called and said he never came back. And then she was the one that told us that Pearl Harbor had been bombed. And, of course, then we put on our radios and listened, which was about noon, our time in Bird City. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. Remember it, Barry?
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Yes. Well, so what happened to your brother? He never came back? What happened? Oh, no.
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No, he came back. Oh, okay. He was just in the long time. Oh, okay. He was in the service a long time. He's about the first. He was one of the first ones that was drafted. He and Martin Bussey. And... And he was in New Guinea all the time during the war. He was a mechanic. Really? He was there all the time. Yeah, so he thought he had it pretty easy.
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Well, I heard that New Guinea wasn't actually the easiest, that there were a lot of mosquitoes there and there was a lot of disease there. I mean, our guys did amazing, amazing things. Yes, mm-hmm. When did Uncle Wayne join the Army?
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He went to his second year of college at Fort Hayes, and he had gone down there to enroll. And then he got a call from his dad and said, your draft papers came in. He says, I think you better come home and enlist. So he did come home and enlist. But they found out there was a school in Kansas City. It was a radio school. So he went to Kansas City and went to a radio school. And then he was chosen to go to Minneapolis, Minnesota, to a high-tech school. at Nunwoody Institute for more training. So he went there and got his training for telephone.
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Okay. Messages, yeah. And were you dating at that time yet? Yes, we were. Okay. Okay. What was your conversation like with yourself when you realized that his draft papers had come through and that he was going to enlist? What went through your mind, Aunt Irma?
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I don't think anything other than, you know, just part of life, I think. That's what I thought. Well, see, I lived at Bird City around the area all the time. I didn't have... I would think I was going to go... to Denver or someplace and get a job, and then I would stop that job and I would get offered another job. So I never got, all during the war, I never got out of the area.
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Was there much rationing back in rural Kansas during that time?
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Oh, yes. I was on the rationing. I worked at the rationing board when I was in St. Francis. We rationed sugar, coffee, shoes, tires, sugar, and gasoline, fuel oil for it to heat with, and that's what I can think of. Right now, uh-huh. And that's where I work. After I worked at another job, and then I, like I said, I never applied for a job. I would be offered another one. And so this is one that was offered to me. Mm-hmm.
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You know, I don't think that... On the rest. Yeah, I don't think people really think about... What was going on at that time here stateside? You know, we live in such a land of plenty now. And the fact that people really, you know, tightened their belts and and did what they could to support our soldiers, both in the Pacific theater and in the European theater. So how much sugar coffee did people get?
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Oh, I don't remember for sure. Coffee, I think, was the pound, and sugar was probably the hardest thing to get by on without less was sugar. And coffee, well, you know, there wasn't a lot of people that drank a lot of coffee then, but coffee was rationed. Sugar was probably the hardest thing. Okay.
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And so you're back in rural Kansas during this time. Hold on. I had my questions that I was going to ask you. Oh, I know. When Uncle Wayne left to go overseas, what was the goodbye like?
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Oh, Mother Deeds and I went to Joplin, Missouri. That's where Wayne was stationed at Camp Crowder. And we went to... Joplin, Missouri. And we stayed in. Wayne had a real good friend, an older couple that had kind of adopted him. And we stayed at her place, her and her husband's place. She was a nurse. And he ran a big theater. And we stayed there all the time that we were down there. And we didn't get to the base. Rain would come in. And then I just left. I mean, he left, and that was it.
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Well, Jeannie, my cousin, said that actually you kept many of the letters that you and Uncle Wayne sent back and forth when he was over in Europe. And it wasn't until just recently that your kids realized that these letters existed. So tell us about these letters, Aunt Irma.
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I have all of them. Wow. I have a suitcase full. And they were all there. The first ones, mine are there too, the ones I wrote to Wayne and Kansas City. So our courtship is in letters. And I have all those letters, and all of them when he was overseas. And there's a suitcase full of them. And believe me, my grandson-in-laws love to read them. And my kids. My kids have all read them. And my granddaughters. Now the grandsons-in-laws are reading them, going through. Every once in a while, there's something poking up. And one grandson-in-law had gotten that far. Yeah. Yeah. Someone says, why do you let him read? I said, Wayne was the perfect gentleman. I'm not ashamed of anything that's in there. So, yeah, they're reading them. And really, it would be... Quite the thing, because he told what he was doing, and he went in southern Italy, down there in the Mediterranean Sea, and then worked his way all the way up to the Rhine River and Paris. So his company went all that way. He was in a signal corps. That meant that he had to have... He kept the... He kept communications going between the front line and the generals. And they don't have anything like they have now. They had to have a... repeater station or a central station that the front line would call back to him and he would connect them with the generals and everything anything and that's how they that was their communication and there were five of them they were called detached regiments and they were detached because they set up that central station and ran it of course they had to run it 24 hours and And they would move when the front line would move more to get the Germans back. And he got as far as the Rhine River, and then about that time the Germans gave up in that theater.
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Do you know how far back he was from the front lines? I think many times we think that it was a pretty long distance, but it wasn't, was it? I mean, it was relatively close.
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Well... We talked about that, and he says, yes, he could hear the fire, the bombs go off several times, but that's as close as he got.
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Now, another question, I know at least early in the war that they actually had to run the wire for the communications, the Signal Corps. Did they have to do that, or do you know?
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Yes, they still had to do that. They had nothing like they have now. They had radios. You could get a radio wave and maybe be a little bit easier, but they still had to have different things and use the radio. But most of the time, a lot of times it was wire because the front line wanted to talk to the generals.
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I'm sure that they did. Well, you know what? Let's go to break. This is Kim Munson, and I'm talking with my Aunt Irma. She is the wife of my dad's oldest brother who served in World War II, and we thought it would be great to get the perspective of people that were here at home. But before we do that, one of my great partners is Hooters Restaurants is one of my great business partners. There's five locations, one in Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. They have all kinds of specials, whether or not it's football specials, game day specials, to-go, lunch specials, kids eat free. There's all kinds of fun stuff going on over at Hooters restaurants. It's great to get together with friends and just watch some sports, take your mind off of things that are going on there. For more information, go to HootersColorado.com. That's HootersColorado.com. We'll be right back.
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Well, and people can reach you, Karen Levine, at 303-877-7516. That's 303-877-7516. And with mortgage rates so low right now, this is a great opportunity for veterans to And I so appreciate your sponsorship of America's Veteran Stories with Kim Munson. Thank you so much, Karen Levine. Thank you, Kim. Welcome back to America's Veteran Stories with Kim Munson. Be sure and check out my website. That is AmericasVeteranStories.com. And I am just thrilled to have on the line with me my Aunt Irma. She was married to my dad's oldest brother who was deployed in... during World War II, and we thought it would be great to hear the stories of what's happening stateside. And so I've learned a lot in this first segment, things that after all these years I never knew to ask these questions. So, Aunt Irma, this is absolutely fascinating. You mentioned during break that there was another thing that you wanted to make sure that our listeners heard about.
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Kim, your dad was 10 years younger than Wayne. And he went to a country school clear out in the country. And you have to realize that they didn't have electricity. And if they had a radio, it was ran on a battery. So they didn't use the radio a whole lot. Your dad will tell you that although he had two brothers in the Army and Air Force with danger, and he doesn't remember, he didn't know about the war. He didn't realize what war was. Because we didn't have magazines, papers, or anything at that time. So he says he really didn't know what the war was like.
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You know, the only thing that I remember, Aunt Irma, is my dad telling me that on that Sunday when Pearl Harbor was bombed, that he remembered coming into the house. And as you mentioned, Uncle Wayne, Uncle Harold, Uncle Don, Aunt Irma, Aunt Carol, you know, all of the older kids and Aunt Carol was, I need to know that story too, was dating Uncle Bob. But that my dad came in and he saw his dad sitting by the radio and he started to cry. And I thought that was really interesting because I don't think he hardly ever saw that his father cried. And just Grandpa realized what was going to happen, that these guys were going to have to go. And I thought that stuck with me my whole life, Ann Arman.
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Yes, yes, yes, that's it. And Ed will tell you that he says, I didn't realize it or something that war was like it was. I went to school. We were much younger. We didn't have a lot of newspapers. And he says, I just didn't know about it until later on. Yeah, because he went through the Korean War, so then he found out more about it, too. Right, right.
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So let's continue to talk about these letters between you and Uncle Wayne. You said that the family has read them. And what do you think that your children and your grandchildren are possibly learning from these letters that were sent between you and Uncle Wayne during World War II?
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Well, I don't know. He would tell everything that he could without having it being censored. I don't know. I don't know what to use letters that we that we communicated with.
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I think I guess I would think that it is a part of history that a lot of our young people don't know. Like when I was talking to my cousin, your daughter, Jeannie, yesterday. About this, I'm like, we were in the presence of heroes as a kid. And I didn't even realize it. These World War II veterans came back. They got married. They had their families. They didn't talk about it. And my gosh, I wish I would have sat down with each of my uncles and asked them about their experiences there. And so I've got to think that your kids and your grandkids are getting a snippet of history that they... really weren't aware of. And it's so personal. It's got to be a really great thing, the fact that you saved all those letters, Ann Irma.
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Yeah, yes. Well, the grandson in school, every time a grandson would get in a certain place in school, they would come down and interview Wayne for a project or a paper that they had to write. So I don't know if they still have those papers or not. I'll have to ask them.
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Oh, that would be great. Yes, that would be great. How long were you apart? So he left in 42, is that right? Yes.
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And we married in the fall of 1945.
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So he was gone for over two years, is that right? Almost three, uh-huh. You know, I don't think... Yeah, 42, 43, 44, 45, three years. You didn't see each other for three years? Well, yeah, we saw. I went down to Camp Crowder. Oh, okay. Three times. Okay. But then when he went to Europe, how long was he in Europe?
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He was there from June until August of next year, over a year. June of 44? Yeah, 45. Okay, so did he go to Europe in June of 44 or of 45? No, 44. Okay. June of 44.
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So where was he during the D-Day landings? He didn't go on D-Day, did he, onto shore?
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No, he wasn't. He was in southern France then. He was in southern France where they took up right across from England. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. But he got a lot of, yes, he knew a lot, which he couldn't talk about.
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So as you're mentioning southern France, now I can't remember what the battle was, but I've talked to some veterans that there was also an invasion. Actually, my friend always corrects me. We didn't invade. We liberated Europe. I need to make sure that I use that word. But that there was another kind of a D-Day in southern France. So as I'm thinking about this, so that must have been where he was. And as you mentioned, they weren't that far back from the front lines. The front lines, they had to run lines to, you said it was the detachment group, and then that went back to the generals. Okay.
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Well, you have to realize that they started the war over in Africa. Yes. And they had, what was that, General Patton? General Patton had bought them from Africa, across the Mediterranean, and then into southern France. And then when Mussolini gave up, or committed suicide, I can't remember what it was, but he was gone then. Mussolini, uh-huh.
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Well, and Africa was so early. I actually have only interviewed one or two guys that were in northern Africa. One of them was a P-51 pilot. And, yeah, I think a lot of people don't realize what happened early on in the war. But Uncle Wayne would have come in. He was not in northern Africa, was he?
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No, no, he wasn't. They were already pushed up into France a ways. From six frames, and they were already in.
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Okay.
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Right.
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Okay. Yeah. So what was happening just during this time with you back in Kansas? You were working with the rationing board. You were writing letters. What else was happening with you and Irma back here in Kansas?
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Well, I... I worked with a rationing board over a year, and then my girlfriend, Anna Marie Endor, thought we weren't doing enough. All our friends were in the cities building ships or airplanes or something, so we thought we weren't doing enough, so we thought we'd better get on the ball. So we resigned from that job, and I shouldn't have because it was a very good civil service job. and went home. But we had applied to St. Mary's Hospital in Manhattan because they had a nurse cadet program that was run by the government, I think. Anyway, we applied there. And when we got the letters back, there was only one opening. And Anna Marie's sister had just graduated from high school, so she took it. And then Dr. Morehouse had heard that I had applied for there. So he come out. We just lived a mile from downtown. And he come out and wanted to know if I'd come over to the hospital in Benkerman to work. That Bernice, his sister Bernice, It could give me a lot of training. And I went over there and worked. And I did receive a lot of training over there. We only had two registered nurses and we had a hospital. We had to have around the clock service and everything. And I learned a lot there.
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Now, were any soldiers coming back stateside or was this just people, you know, in the community that you were serving?
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It was a big one in Nebraska. It was just a community. The community.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay, I find this fascinating. I didn't know any of this about you, Aunt Irma, so I'm glad that I'm learning that. Let's talk a bit about the other two uncles that actually served in World War II as well, and that was Uncle Wayne's younger brother, Harold. So tell us what you remember about Harold and Aunt Jo, because I think people would be really interested in that.
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Well, Arnold Harrell was a bombardier on, I can't tell you the number of the airplane anymore, but he was the one that dropped the bombs. And I can't remember how many missions he went on. He went on a lot. A lot of missions. We should probably talk to Johnny. He went on a lot of missions, and he had, oh, once the plane come in and it landed, okay. But I know... Of course, Wayne was in, Wayne could see where the, they had, did the bombing, and Wayne, his brother, he says, did you have to pow up the country so much? With those bombs? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, and the- A lot of missions that he flew.
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Yeah, I can't remember how many either, but it was a lot of missions. And those flights, I don't know if a lot of people realized, initially on, a lot of those bombing raids did not have fighter air cover. Now, as we got further into the war, there were, but it was very dangerous. In fact, when I went to Normandy, one of the guys that we went with was in the Army Air Corps, And we lost 88,000 guys just from the Army Air Corps during World War II. I mean, that's a staggering number to think about the sacrifice that was given there. Amazingly, Uncle Wayne, Uncle Harold, and Uncle Bob all came home safely, which that certainly was a blessing. Not all families were that lucky. And the other thing that I think I remember my father telling me is that Uncle Harold was back farming by the age of like 22 and 23, and I think that he had gone to a high rank. I want to say like lieutenant or something as well. Do you recall? Oh, yeah.
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Yes. After he graduated from Bombardier School, he was a first lieutenant, I think. Yes. Okay.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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Now, was he dating Aunt Jo at that time when he went to war?
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No. It was a year or so after he came back that he dated Aunt Jo. In fact, we were surprised. He told us we were at a wedding in Hays at Carol and he comes down and he says, I'm engaged. And we had to ask, who to? Yeah, there was a lot of them. He was good luck, and there was a lot of gals after him. So then he told us Joanne. Of course, I remember Joanne because her mother ran the theater in Benkelman, and she always sold the popcorn. And so I knew who Joanne was, yes.
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So it surprised you when he came back and said that he was engaged. That is pretty funny. Yes, uh-huh. Yeah, right. Okay. So, Aunt Irma, we're going to go to break. This is Kim Munson with America's Veteran Stories. Be sure and check out our website. It is AmericasVeteranStories.com. I have the great honor of talking with my Aunt Irma. And, Aunt Irma, are we at a point where we can tell your age, or do you still like to keep that a secret? Oh, sure. Tell it.
SPEAKER 11 :
I'd love to.
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So what really made me think about this is my cousin said Aunt Irma was turning 96 here within the last couple of weeks. And like 96, that means that she has a World War II story. So that's how we got this whole interview scheduled. So we're going to go to break. This is Kim Munson. Stay tuned. On the line with me is one of my valued sponsors, and that is Loren Levy. He's a mortgage specialist with Polygon Financial Group. He works with a number of different lenders, which is great for you, the client. And Loren Levy, welcome. Tell us, why are you a partner of America's Veterans Stories with Kim Munson?
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Okay. More information, go to castlegate.com. That's castlegate.com. Hal Van Herke, thank you so much. Thank you. Welcome back to America's Veteran Stories with Kim Munson. Be sure and check out my website. That is AmericasVeteranStories.com. I'm thrilled and honored to have on the line with me my Aunt Irma. She just recently turned 96 years old. She was married to my father's oldest brother. And my Uncle Wayne served in the European Theater in communications. And my friends, just think about this. This is not the kind of communications that we have now. They actually had to run the telephone wire many times while they were being shot at so that they could communicate the front lines back to the relay station, back to the generals, so that decisions could be made about the battles. And so a very important job there. And then we were just talking about my Uncle Harold, who was a bombardier in many, many missions over Germany. And many of the things that we needed to do, we were going after Hitler's fuel depots, the rail depots, so that hopefully we could kind of starve them from energy on this big ship. Big machine, this big war machine that Hitler had built. And so, I mean, there were kids from all over the country, the small towns, the cities, that they went and they fought. And my friends, we stand on the shoulders of giants, on these men and women, the women back home that had... a lot of different sacrifices to support what was going on. So it's just a real thrill to talk with my Aunt Irma. So Aunt Irma, there is a story. Well, let's talk a little bit about Uncle Bob. Uncle Bob ended up marrying Uncle Wayne's younger sister, Carol. So was Bob and Carol dating when Bob was deployed over to Europe?
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No, they weren't. Of course, Wayne had a detachment of the five men, and they were allowed a Jeep so that he could get around. So Wayne took this. He had communication, so he got a hold of Bob, and they met on a weekend. Wayne went and got him in a Jeep, and they went to Paris. So they had quite a time in Paris, and I always tease about it, and Bob tells me nothing happened. So anyway, they had a weekend in Paris. But I have to tell you that when Wayne got home, and we were married within four or five days after he got home.
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So we went to Denver to get her. Well, Wayne called. Wayne's ship was loaded. He was supposed to go through the Panama Canal and over to the Pacific area to fight the Pacific War. And then the war was over, so they were already loaded. So he got to come back to the United States pretty fast. So he got back to New York, and he called me, and he called me at the hospital where I worked, and he said, we're going to get married tonight. He says, I said, oh. And then within 10 days, he had to ride a bus from New York City clear home, so it took him four or five days to get home. And so then we... And then we picked him up. I think, I don't remember. I can think. Whether we picked him up or Bird City, I don't remember. But then we were married. We decided to go to Denver on a Sunday morning and took Bob, which is Wayne's friend, and then Carol. I had run around with Carol, Wayne's sister, quite a bit during the war. So we took them with us, and we got two cases in the rings, and I got a suit and everything. Then we come back to Goodland, and I was going to get married, and Of course, I mean, call my pastor at Bird City, Dick Meredith. Well, he was at a convention, so he couldn't. So we went to the Methodist. Bob, thank God for Bob. He went to the Methodist church here and got it all arranged so that we could get married here in Goodland. But we just got to the city building right before it closed. So, yeah.
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That was in, you said, what year was that, Ann Irma?
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1945. 1945. Right after bombs landed on Japan. The war was over.
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Okay, let's talk a little bit about that, because I know that there were many soldiers that had finished the work in the European theater, and many of them were told that they were going to be going to the Pacific theater, and... And, you know, the battle for Japan, as they looked at it, that many, many, many lives would be lost. In fact, I've talked to Pacific War veterans that have said that if the atom bomb was not dropped, that thousands and thousands of both Americans and Japanese would have died. So tell me about that. You know the war is over. The VE Day is done in Europe. Right. But now the prospect of Wayne going to the Pacific. What went through your mind at that time, Annerman?
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I didn't know it. Oh. I didn't know that he was, I didn't know that his ship was loaded or anything like that. That was all afterwards that that happened. But let's see, what was I going to say? The war with the Pacific, yeah, it was. That would have been a long way around. Yes, it was. President Truman decided to drop the bomb, and it did. It shortened the war for sure.
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What went through your mind when you heard that the atomic bomb had been dropped on Japan, or was it just incomprehensible what had happened?
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Well, you know, you didn't know anything about it. The only place you knew about it is if you went to the picture show and they had the newsreel. We only got the Bird City Times. We didn't have a newspaper. And occasionally we would get a hold of Life or Look magazine and we could look at it. Other than that, we had no idea what the bomb did. You know, in a way...
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I was just going to say, in a way, we are so inundated these days with all kinds of information. It's almost like we can't make sense of it. I kind of like the idea of a little simpler life, Ann Irma.
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I agree. I'll agree. Too much information.
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Too much. That's right. Too much information. So Uncle Bob, where was he deployed in the European theater?
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You know, I'm not sure. I know it's in France, but I don't know much about it.
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Was he on the front lines, or do you know?
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I don't think so.
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Okay, okay. And then did the romance develop when Bob and Carol joined you in waiting to come up to Denver? Is that where they started to like each other?
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No, when they went with us to Denver, they weren't dating. But a year later, a little over a year later, they were married. Yeah.
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Okay. Now, talk about when these guys all came back from the service. So, you know, so many guys had gone and served. They come back and get married and start families. Tell us a little bit more about that. It must have been great to have all these guys coming home.
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Yes, it was great. Of course, we lived down on the creek place, so you know what that was like. It was like a big picnic ground with all those trees. And we got back shortly, and we had, on a Sunday, we had a big gathering. And with the vets, like Wayne, some from Wayne's and Harold's and everything. So we had a lot of people there. And I know that Dwayne Harris met his wife there down at our place. They got married later. We got together a lot after the war.
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I want to go back to something that you said at the beginning, and that was growing up, that you grew up during the Depression and the Dirty 30s. Tell our listeners what the Dirty 30s was like in western Kansas.
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Well, we just lived a mile from town. We'd have dust storms, and the dust was so bad that you took a paintbrush and a dustpan and wiped it out of the windows and in front of the windows. That's how bad the dirt blew in. And, of course, during that time, And we didn't have a lot of moisture. It's about like now. We didn't have a lot of moisture. So my sister and brother and I heard cattle in the greater ditches so that the milk cows would have enough to eat. So we did that for several summers. That was our summer job was to herd the cattle. And it was. It was all right because we could herd the cattle a mile east and the neighbor's kids heard them from the east down that far and we got to play with them. I had no regrets for the 30s because we just made the best of it. Everybody did. We didn't know that we didn't have a lot of stuff. We just accepted it. We know more about it now than we did then.
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Because you just lived it at that time, right?
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Yeah, just lived it. Uh-huh. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
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Okay. That's right. Okay. Aunt Irma, what are some of the things that you would like to make sure that our listeners know about World War II, the service that my uncles gave during that time? What would be the message that you would give to our listeners?
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Oh... It was something that just happened. Everybody got in and worked. I went to the factory, made airplanes, made ships. Everybody, and we had victory gardens. My goodness, everybody had a big garden. And we just all pitched in and got through it. Yeah, we didn't think, to tell the truth, we didn't think much of it. We just went in it and did the best we could. Yes, that's like I thought. I just thought I wasn't doing enough, but... I would quit one job, and then I'd be offered another one. So I guess I was supposed to stay in northwest Kansas, and I did.
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Well, yeah, I think it was a good place to stay. And, yeah, Victory Gardens. Tell our listeners who are probably younger, what was a Victory Garden?
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It's a garden. We just called it Victor Garden. We put everything in it. Of course, that wasn't a lot of new stuff because everybody just about had gardens anyway. It was the city folks that put in gardens so that they could have fresh vegetables and everything. Other than that, we always had a garden at home. Okay. Okay.
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And then what about the Korean War, which was a little bit later? What can you tell us about that as that began?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, you know, I don't remember much about the Korean War. Because by that time, we had, I don't know how many children we had, three or four. We didn't have electricity when we were first married. We went four years without electricity, without a refrigerator, and electricity, water, indoor bathroom, all of that. And that happened about that time, and we had a family, and we Didn't pay much attention to it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you were just a little busy just kind of taking care of the regular things in life, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, and that's what someone asked me, what I thought about what to do with the atomic bomb after we were finished with it. That's what I thought. I didn't think anything. I didn't have time. Right. I thought, just let them... I can think back now. Let them take care of it. I... I had work cut out for me.
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Most definitely. Well, Aunt Irma, it's an amazing generation. And as I mentioned to my cousin Jeannie that we would get together in the park. I remember it as a kid. And the aunts and uncles would sit around and talk, and we would play. And I had no idea. what Uncle Wayne and Uncle Bob and Uncle Harold had gone through. And I really wish that I would have sat down and really had a conversation with each of them. But my gosh, it has just been a great honor to get to talk with you about your experiences through the war, through the Depression, through the Dirty 30s. I really appreciate it. So thank you so much, Ann Arman.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, yes, and what I wish I would have talked to Harold more. But, you know, people like that, lots of times they wouldn't talk about it.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. Black heroes. I know. They wouldn't talk about it. I know. In fact, one of the World War II veterans that I talked to, it was not until 1977 that his kids even knew that he had been at D-Day. So, yeah, a lot of them didn't talk about that either. So, Aunt Irma, I so appreciate this interview today and just thank you so much.
SPEAKER 11 :
I enjoyed it. Someone asked me if I was nervous. I said, no, because I lived it. Why did I have to be nervous about it? It's been a pleasure.
SPEAKER 05 :
It's been a pleasure for sure. So this is Kim Munson with America's Veterans Stories signing off. God bless you and God bless America.
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We'll talk about the people pushing issues, but we want to stay focused on that. So let's see. Let's jump over here to our word of the day. And it's a great word. It's fun to say. Flabbergasted. This should be easy to use today in a sentence as you're talking with your friends and family. And it's spelled F-L-A-B-B-E-R-G-A-S-T-E-D. And it could be feeling or showing intense shock, surprise, or wonder. Utterly astonished. I think the radical activists elitists left. are totally flabbergasted by the Trump administration and the work that the administration is doing to get government back into its proper role. And our quote of the day, and oh, I did not pull up his... Hold on just a second. His bio. Let me get you because we want to have that. There we go. It's from Paul Harvey. And he was a radio commentator. And let's see, was born in 1918. He died in 2009. And he was an American broadcaster for ABC News Radio. He broadcast news and comment on mornings and middays, on weekdays, and at noon on Saturdays, and also his famous The Rest of the Story segments. So from 1951 to 2008, his programs reached as many as 24 million people per week. And Paul Harvey News was carried on 1,200 radio stations worldwide. on 400 American Forces network stations and 300 newspapers. And a few weeks ago, Jenny, one of our listeners, had sent an AI-generated answer to a question, so asked AI if I were the devil. And I'm still learning about AI. We'll talk with Kurt Gerwitz more on that on Thursday. But my understanding is it goes out and scours. The Internet goes out and scours and comes up with these answers. And so the answer that it came up with was very close to something that I'd recalled from Paul Harvey. And this is a little long, but I think it's important. And this was from a broadcast, I think it was in 1965. And he said this, he said, If I were the prince of darkness, I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness, and I'd have a third of its real estate. I'll give my commentary. Does that sound like 30 by 30 that the World Economic Forum and all are pushing? So anyway, he said, and I'd have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I wouldn't be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree. So I'd set about however necessary to take over the United States. I'd subvert the churches first. I'd begin with a campaign of whispers. With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve, do as you please. To the young I would whisper that the Bible is a myth. I would convince them that man created God instead of the other way around. And I think we could say worshiping the environment instead of the creator could be the case. Again, commentary on my part. I would confide that what's bad is good and what's good is, well, square. And the old I would teach to pray after me, our father which art in Washington. And then I'd get organized. I'd educate authors on how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting. Could you say Harvey Weinstein? I'd threaten TV with dirtier movies and vice versa. I'd peddle narcotics to whom I could. I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. I'd tranquilize the rest with pills. If I were the devil, I'd soon have families that war with themselves, churches that war with themselves, and nations that war with themselves, until each in its turn was consumed. And with promises of higher ratings, I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames. If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects but neglect to discipline emotions. Just let those run wild until before you knew it, you'd have to have drug-sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door. Within a decade, I'd have prisons overflowing. I'd have judges promoting pornography. Oh, what about Charlotte Sweeney, a federal judge who just had the ruling in the Poudre School District case to keep pornography in these school libraries? He called it. Okay, continue on. Soon I would evict God from the courthouse, then from the schoolhouse, and then from the houses of Congress. And in his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion and deify science. I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money. If I were the devil, I'd make the symbol of Easter an egg and the symbol of Christmas a bottle. If I were the devil, I'd take from those who have and give it to those who wanted until I'd kill the incentive of the ambitious. And what'll you bet I couldn't get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get rich? I would caution against extremes in hard work, in patriotism, in moral conduct. I would convince the young that marriage is old-fashioned, that swinging is more fun, that what you see on the TV is the way to be. And thus, I could undress you in public. I could lure you into bed with diseases for which there is no cure. In other words, if I were the devil, I'd just keep right on doing what he's doing. That's Paul Harvey. Good day. And certainly the devil's made tremendous progress in this scenario. There is the however, and there is the however that young people, I think, are turning back to faith. I think that young people are being committed more to faith. one person. And I think we're getting these things turned around. But Paul Harvey pretty well called it back there in 1965. I had two headlines that I wanted to mention. The first, and this is from AOL. I haven't seen anything from AOL for a long time. But it says, Congress advances a $3.5 billion cut for California for illegal immigrant health care. Just think about $3.5 billion that is being taken from the American people for health care for people that have come here illegally. And... I guess this is the center square. This came from the center square from AOL. And it says, California largely does not get federal reimbursements for illegal immigrant health care, though it is reimbursed for emergency care under a federal law requiring hospitals receiving federal funding to treat anyone in need of emergency medical attention. The budget proposal would cut the federal medical assistance percentage to states that use their Medicaid infrastructure to provide health care coverage for illegal immigrants under Medicaid or another state-based program. The cuts would not impact emergency care reimbursements. Since California spent $9.5 billion this year on illegal immigrant health care and is repeatedly set to face a $10 billion budget deficit the coming fiscal year. It says, according to an analysis Monday morning from California Policy Center visiting fellow Mark Jaffe, cutting the federal reimbursement share from 90% to 80% would reduce California's federal funding by $3.5 billion. And I think this is really important. We have gotten things out of control in the proper role of government. The federal government was never supposed to be this big or take that much. And each state was supposed to be its own basically sovereign state. We had the federal government to do the work. Things the federal government is supposed to do, and you can see that in the Constitution. Otherwise, the states were supposed to be these, in our case now, 15 sovereign little entities that could do things differently. So all these 50 little incubators. on how they would govern themselves. Now, each state really should make sure that we adhere to this vision of the Declaration, that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. But everything else should be pretty separate. So what that means then is, is we have to have state responsibility. So if a state makes decisions that are bad decisions, they need to be responsible for that. So, for example, if California has all of these illegal immigrants come in because of their sanctuary policies, or same with Colorado, then each of the people of each state has to step up and cover for the decisions the people are making that are in elected office. And then, of course, the bureaucrats that the electeds go ahead and give power to. And so things have gotten so upside down in our country that California can make bad decisions, go to the federal government and have the people in Nebraska and South Dakota pay for that. That's not the way it's supposed to work. And so we need to get back to each state being responsible for their decisions. I love the fact that Trump is working on reducing federal monies to these different states. And I think that's a Really great idea. The one other thing that I wanted to mention, and this is from the Daily Mail, and it has a picture of a guy out on a beach, and it says, Asylum Hotel Billionaire. It says, Britain's first billionaire immigrant, or migrant hotel king. It says, meet the caravan park tycoon who raked in 4.0, well, it's whatever, European taxpayers' cash per day putting up asylum seekers. And again, this is not the way it is supposed to be to be taking money from Europeans or here in America as well, taking money from everyday hardworking people and then taking that money to house people that have come here illegally. And this is the epitome of grift. This is the epitome of cronyism, where government then chooses who they're going to pay to do the work on this. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And in the last segment, I was talking about these different states. For example... California, apparently the Trump administration is going to reduce, let's see, Congress is going to reduce the payments to California by $3.5 billion for allowing illegal immigrants to enroll in the state's taxpayer-funded health care program. Okay, that's good. I missed that particular detail. But Mark said this, yes, states are sovereign, but that doesn't mean they can violate the U.S. Constitution. But they do. He is absolutely spot on. So that's why we have these conversations, to get government back into its proper role. And a gentleman who has served our state and continues to serve our state, I think, very, very well, is former State Senator Andrews. kevin lundberg he's the author of the lundberg report uh he weekly during the legislative session has talked about the different bills that are there and the session is finally over kevin lundberg welcome to the show well thank you kim it's a pleasure to be with you always and look forward to our conversation for the next few minutes Well, and I always like to go to your Lundberg Report that comes out on Saturdays. People can find it at KevinLundberg.com, and great information there. But you thought you had coined a new word, and you found out you hadn't, but that was transmania. So let's talk a little bit about transmania down at the Colorado Statehouse.
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Yeah, well, I was trying to somehow capture what they've really been doing. And if you go over the last several years of legislation, and now law, because to my knowledge the governor has signed everything, the legislature has handed him in this area, they have pushed this notion that that kids can change their gender by their own volition, and parents are virtually powerless to stop that. And it really, what shall I say, it really came to a head and to national attention with the last big bill they ran, 1312, which in its original form actually point blank said that if you refuse as a parent to affirm your child's gender dysphoria, then your custody, your legal custody of that child will be called into question. And what's that mean? Well, it means you'll lose your parenting responsibilities And authority, if the system looks at it and says, well, you're not affirming your child, so that's a problem. And there are several parents in this state that have already come to the cold-howed reality of what that really means. And I gave one example in my report of a of a father in Jefferson County who was speaking to the school board saying, you were responsible for this because you allowed it to happen without my knowledge. And that's the other side of this whole gender trans mania. Again, it's a term I was trying to capture with something new. And I thought, well, I better look it up. And I did. And there's a book It was published in France, and so it's in French, so I couldn't read the book. But they used that as the book title, and that was their whole point, too. And curiously, it was written by two women who were radical feminists. And then they realized, wait a minute, we've just turned our world upside down by just saying, well... Man can be a woman and a woman can be a man, and it's complete madness and insanity, really, if you just sit down and just ask yourself what in the world is happening here, that the state of Colorado, through our legislature and our governor, have made official policy and all of the consequences that have occurred out of that. Now, that's the bad news. Here's the good news. People of Colorado are figuring it out. And all we've got to do is just make them fully aware that that's what has been happening in our laws because of the people that they've been electing to these positions. And I'm really kind of upbeat that the left has really jumped off the cliff of irrationality to the extent that they will be held accountable for But we've still got our work to do because a lot of people just kind of blithely go through life and they have no idea. Not yet. And that leads me to the final part of this, which is Protect Kids Colorado, that I've helped stand up along with a lot of really hardworking people all over the state. We tried to put some initiatives on the ballot last year. We're not successful. But what we were successful at is organizing a team that can get this done. And I'm convinced that we will get it done this year. And we actually got our first title approved this last week as well. Congratulations. A real surprise, too, because we just fought such a battle getting it through last year. And we've got some reinforcement legal help that I'm very grateful for. And So the first title, and we're planning on three, and we filed the other two, but they haven't come up for the hearing yet. The first one is prohibiting men and women's sports, which is something that is just kind of a slam dunk. Almost everybody says, yeah, that's nuts. Well, guess what? That's policy in the state of Colorado. And anybody who dares question it, If the governor signs House Bill 1312, will then be, if they do it in a public way, in a place of public accommodation, they will have violated Colorado's anti-discrimination laws and be subject to the civil penalties that are available to people to sue them over that, which, again, is just some of the total insanity that's occurring.
SPEAKER 14 :
So Kevin, so this would mean like, so a public school, right? That's a public accommodation. So that would mean that boys could compete in girls sports. Okay. So I've got a thought for you. The anti-discrimination laws came out of the discrimination of the Jim Crow laws out of our history. And, of course, I want to make a point that the Jim Crow laws were laws. And they were antithetical to the idea of the vision of our Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal. So that you would have a law that would segregate different races. That's what was going on. So then we had these anti-discrimination laws to push back on that. And I think probably maybe at that time that was important. But I think that those laws are antiquated now. And I actually always have thought that perhaps we could have solved discrimination in a free market situation instead of making these different laws. And I guess I'll ask you if you think that that is possible. But what we now see, those things from back there, For something good, to get to this idea that all men are created equal, these anti-discrimination laws are now being turned on their head in 2025, Colorado and America, to push a radical... activist extremist agenda, which is antithetical to nature's law. So I guess my question on the table is, do you think that we should get rid of these anti-discrimination laws because we can solve discrimination in the free market?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, that's kind of a complicated question because you're quite right that they were created to to fight a social ill that we still have the vestiges of, you know, back in the 60s, really comes out of largely as far as the legislation, the Civil Rights Acts that occurred in the early 60s at the federal level that said you can't discriminate against somebody because of their race or their creed, which means their worldview, if you will. But it assumed some things that were unimaginable back then. And that is this taking the view of humanity as not being comprised of male and female. And really, you know, you can run this down a dozen ways. you know, rabbit holes as far as some mistaken notion that occurs and now suddenly we have to formalize it and normalize it and cause it to be something that we will now enforce through the state. Let me go back to what really was within our nation's history. One, yes, slavery set up this disparity of perception on the part of our culture. And it wasn't just an American thing, frankly, that slavery has been and continues to be a blight on humanity worldwide. It was our nation that was established with this principle of equality among all people that really we started to fight our way out of this And if you go over to England, they did the same thing, and they did have a peaceful transition from the terrible blight of slavery, but it was still a long, long process. You can attribute that, if you know anything about the history of William Wilberforce, he was a member of Parliament back in the 18th and 19th century, who... who fought that battle diligently and almost singly for a good long while. But they finally went through without a civil war. We went through a civil war, which was another terrible problem that occurred. You know, read Lincoln's second inaugural address where he speaks of OF THAT IN THE DEPTHS OF THE CIVIL WAR AND HOW HORRIBLE IT WAS AND HOW THEY WERE DOING THAT TO RIGHT THIS WRONG. NOW, TODAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER VAST WRONG THAT NEEDS TO BE RIGHTED, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO A CIVIL WAR OF THAT SORT, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS A TOTALLY OPPOSITE VIEW OF THE WORLD THAT'S INCOMPATIBLE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
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Well, it's a battle of ideas, Kevin Lundberg, and you're engaged in that every day. I am as well. Let's go to a break. We're going to come back and continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg. And all these discussions happen because of our sponsors. And so for everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And this Thursday, I'm and Teresa, our partnership liaison, will be out at the USMC Memorial Foundation's second annual golf tournament. And we're coming out for lunch. And so if you want to come out and buy a lunch ticket, we'd love to have you join us. If you're a golfer, they have a few spots still open. And check all that out at USMCMemorialFoundation.com. And if you're a golfer, you're going to meet some great people, have a great round of golf on a beautiful golf course, and, of course, support the foundation. So, again, that is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. I'm talking with former state senator... Kevin Lundberg, you can find his Lundberg report at KevinLundberg.com. And this discussion started with what's happening down at the Colorado State Legislature. He's calling it transmania, which this focus on saying that boys can be girls and girls can be boys and putting this into law. And what does that mean for Colorado, which I then asked, and it's going to go into our anti-discrimination laws in public places, which means if you don't affirm someone in their gender dysphoria in a public place, then you would be accused of incest. Discrimination. And that got us over here to could we have solved discrimination in America from a free market? I think that we could get to a point where so so what if a restaurant's not going to serve X, whatever? Then somebody can start a new restaurant to serve X. People may not go to the one that's being discriminatory. I think that we could solve these things from a free market. Gets us over to the Civil War and then that Britain was able to get rid of slavery without the bloodshed of a civil war. And a lot of that was because of the work of William Wilberforce. How's that for setting everything up, Kevin Lumberg?
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And we have how many hours?
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I know, I know.
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Well, you know, I bring up William Forrest, Wilbur Forrest, for a couple of reasons. One, he's just such a great example of political activism in the most positive and productive way you can imagine. But if you look at his actual life, it was one of struggle. And one of, you know, real perseverance that he had to... exert. And it wasn't just going after the slavery issue, even though that sort of erupted into the major accomplishment of his life in turning that ship around. And what he managed to do was simply stop the slave trade. That's it. Stop the slave trade in the British Empire, which was huge. But the actual EMANCIPATION OF THE SLAVES AND THE ELIMINATION OF SLAVERY DIDN'T OCCUR UNTIL ACTUALLY JUST ABOUT THE TIME THAT HE DIED BECAUSE OTHERS THEN TOOK THAT AND COMPLETED IT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR NATION'S HISTORY, IN OUR CONSTITUTION, IT SET UP THE END OF THE SLAVE TRADE AS WELL. IT WAS A PROCESS. But that was part of the Constitution's rules. And if you go back to the other founding document we have, the Declaration of Independence, that established the framework of all of that. And so you can see kind of a pair. And that was in 1776, long before Wilberforce really became the, you know, before he really was blossoming because it was, well, it was in the 17, I don't have all of my numbers correct here, but it was in the 1780s that Wilberforce really campaigned for many of these reforms. And here's an important element, too. It's because Wilberforce gave his life to God. He became a Bible-believing, evangelical Christian while in Parliament, and that just revolutionized his worldview. And he realized, I'm not here to establish myself and much of the greed and the other things that had really taken over the British Parliament system. No, he said, I'm here to... to make things better and to tackle the really big issues because that's what their job was. And I believe that's what we have to do today. And I'll give you a little personal note here, too. When I first tackled the running for office and serving in the legislature, and as I recall, it's right after the election, and I was representative-elect back in 2002. I went to a gentleman I had great respect for, and that was a former, at that time, former U.S. Senator, Bill Armstrong. And I said, okay, you've been through all of it. You were in the Colorado House, Colorado Senate, the United States House, the United States Senate. And can you tell me what I should do as just entering that process? And he had a perfect answer. I remember he kind of got up from his desk and went to a back room and picked up a book and brought it back to me and said, here, read this. And it was a biography of William Wilberforce.
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Interesting.
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And so I used that as kind of my North Star to a great deal. And, you know, now I'm kind of on the tail end. No, I never went to Congress and I was never in the U.S. Senate, but But I spent a good deal of my life working in those areas and still do. And so did he. He was still doing it after he retired. Actually, I think much of his greatest accomplishments were still ahead of him there. We had no idea he would become the president of Colorado Christian University. And if you look at my newsletter, yeah, I talk about about this trans mania, but I also talked about the graduation ceremonies for Colorado Christian University, which I attribute largely to what Bill Armstrong accomplished by building that institution into a phenomenal organization, and that they had their graduation for 1,300 people just this last Friday, and it was just You know, it's kind of another parallel of what you ought to do when you get into public service is to serve people in every way possible. And, you know, if you look at Wilberforce's life, I mean, he actually engaged in dozens of organizational efforts to, you know, to fix the problem of what they were doing to horses in carriages in London. You know, they thought it was fashionable for the horse to have its head up high while it was destroying the animal. And he went after that. And he was just going after the moral reform of his nation.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and one of the things, a couple of things regarding Wilberforce, and I pull this up from Eric Metaxas had written an excellent book on Wilberforce called Amazing Grace. And the dates that they have is that says, "...as the center of his heroic life was a passionate 20-year fight to abolish the British slave trade, a battle that Wilberforce won in 1807." And yet it was in our Constitution in 1787 where, as you mentioned, it said that it was going to outlaw the importation of slaves into the United States 20 years after. So this was all happening at the same time. The other thing that I remember reading about Wilberforce is that he worked on getting rid of the British slave trade. But also he worked on bringing manners. back to English society, people had gotten to a point where they had no good manners anymore. And I think that's something that we've seen in America, that we've seen the erosion many times of good manners. And I think that bringing that back would be a good idea as well. And I say that However, our building is a very diverse, has all kinds of entrepreneurs. And everyone, I've never had anyone ever rude as we're going in and out of doors. People are holding the doors for others. People say please and thank you. And I love that. But I think we need to make sure that we have good manners in American society today as well. I think that that would go a long way to unifying us, Kevin Lumberg.
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Well, yeah, and I think back then, the use of the term manners, I agree with everything you've said there. But he was trying to capture that bigger concept of manners. In other words, how do you treat other people and why? He actually wrote a book, and the term manners was in the title. I can't find it right now. It's kind of scanning. some history here while we were talking. But anyway, he understood that in every aspect of life, it reflects who and what we are and why we are. Eric McTaxis's book, Amazing Grace, is another example history of that same thing. And it doesn't come from just yourself. You know, if the cultures that were based on just a humanistic view of moral standards, yeah, Karl Marx was pretty good at that, and what did that end up with? You know, we called it the communism, and the countries that embraced that ended up just being ruthless And we still have some today. China, this is one of the big battles in that country is they're still run by that moral value and principle. Our country is really at a crossroads. Where do we go? And I think just like William Wilberforce, we need to turn to God for his guidance and direction in our individual lives and in our corporate lives as a nation. And let me add one other factor which we consider all this, because we talk about what happened in this country, which really predated in some ways what William Force was doing, and yet we didn't get there fully until there was a civil war, and there were a lot of dynamics as to why it turned that direction. But in the colonial days, many of the colonies actually had outlawed slavery from the very beginning. I understand the Plymouth colony, which established the pilgrims and all of the stories we're aware of there, that they never had slavery. As a matter of fact, I've heard that there was a slave ship that got blown off course and actually landed there. And when they discovered that this was a slave ship, they arrested the crew. and freed the slaves because they knew that was wrong. And most of the northern colonies didn't have slavery at all. And so when we formed this nation, there was a strong consciousness already. And those colonies really were based on much more biblical values than we see today.
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And, of course, the biblical value of the golden rule, treat other people how you would like to be treated. So, Kevin Lundberg, yeah, you and I, I think we could do Lundberg-Munson unplugged, I think, several hours. But good conversation, and hopefully this is helping all of you think about these issues that we're facing here in Colorado. And that's one of the reasons why freedom of speech is so important. And this 1312 would compel speech. And those two things don't match up in the American idea. We'll be right back. We have these discussions because of sponsors. If you've been injured, reach out to John Bozen and Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And, you know, a nonprofit I dearly love is the Center for American Values located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. And actually yesterday we recorded one of the hours for Memorial Day with Drew Dix, who's one of the co-founders of the Center for American Values. A great interview. But they're focused on these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And you see that through their Portraits of Valor, of our Medal of Honor recipients, their educational programs, and their On Values presentations. The next one is May 28th. Get all that information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. That's AmericanValueCenter.org. Kevin Lumberg, former state senator, and you can find great information at the Lumberg Report at his website, kevinlumberg.com. I had Joe give you a whole bunch of things that we wanted to talk about, and we're not going to have probably enough time to do it. But I wanted to mention William Wilberforce was very good friends with John Newton, who was a British captain of a slave ship. And after Newton gave his life to Christ, he wrote Amazing Grace, and the two of them had a great friendship. And I think it's so interesting to connect that dot between the two men.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, yeah, and it's just another example of that personal conversion that made such a dramatic difference in so many lives. And the fact that John Newton could influence William Wilderforce and, you know, keep him on track, if I understand it. Newton, at the time that Wilberforce knew him, was more in Christian ministry of some sort. I don't recall a specific. Anglican.
SPEAKER 14 :
He was an Anglican. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. And he was working in the church and, you know, I was a as an Anglican priest, I guess.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think you're right.
SPEAKER 10 :
I'm afraid I'm a little fuzzy on that particular point of there. But the fact that he was then passing on what he knew and the encouragement that he gave to Wilberforce, who really applied that in so many ways through his life. And another thing people don't realize is... Wilberforce actually physically had a lot of limitations. He wasn't a big, strong, powerful man who lived forever. He really battled with the ability to just continue on physically. But he was used by God to really reform the nation in so many ways, and we see it you know, today in the effects that he had on that blight that we started talking about, which was slavery. And now, I mean, we got back from there with another blight that we have where there's this gender dysphoria. And I got to thinking on a conversation there. We talk about, you know, confusing boys as to are you a girl or are you a boy? But in fact... it's gone to such madness that you can choose from a dozen different genders. Dozens, as a matter of fact. I mean, they just keep making them up, and people who are captured by this just keep buying this, that apparently humanity really doesn't boil down to a man and a woman. It's something different than that. And that is... That is so contrary to really how God established the human race. And, you know, it all comes back to foundational principles of who made the rules. Did you make the rules, or did the creator of the universe do it? And then let me spin this back to the state of Colorado, because the very words in the preamble to our Colorado Constitution says with let's see, something like, with great reverence for the supreme ruler of the universe, we established this state. Let's paraphrase, please. But they knew where truth came from, and that's how they formed the Colorado Constitution. Even as, you know, the U.S. Constitution within that same framework and context.
SPEAKER 14 :
But God is not referred to in the Constitution, but in the Declaration, he's referred to four different times. And I don't have them right here. Nature's God.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes and no. Actually, the United States Constitution talks about the— in a very indirect fashion, names the year in the year of our Lord. That was an assumption. They honestly didn't think in terms of anything other than who was the founding father who said that our constitution was made for a moral and religious people and it just can't be worked any other way. And it was George Washington who in his final address as president, said that religious principles are the foundation of our culture. No, they understood it clearly, and our Constitution was simply written as the technical document of how do you conduct the federal government and what's its relationship to the state government.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and with that, Kevin Lundberg, we've got about a minute left. This has been a riveting discussion because we're talking about these foundational principles. We're in this huge battle of ideas, and Colorado's at the forefront, and you're in this battle. I and my listeners, we're all in this battle of ideas that's raging right now. So your final thought.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I'm actually very encouraged by what I'm seeing, not from the Colorado legislature, which we never got to. You know, what happened to the session? Well, a lot of really bad stuff. Go to my report where I list the good bills and the bad bills, and you'll discover the good things die and the bad bills flourish. And that's because the guys that are in charge right now are on the wrong track. But I am very encouraged that we have gone so far that... We just need to kind of seal the deal, and this is why I'm working on these initiatives with Protect Kids Colorado, and I need everybody's help on that one to get it done.
SPEAKER 14 :
What's that website?
SPEAKER 10 :
Protectkidscolorado.org. Protectkidscolorado.org. That will help you on the road to the reformation of Colorado.
SPEAKER 14 :
Great work on that. And I think you're going to love this quote from Paul Harvey. He said this, if pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of progress? Oh, Congress. There we go. So, my friends, today, be grateful. Read great books. Think good thoughts. Listen to beautiful music. Communicate and listen well. Live honestly and authentically. Strive for high ideals. And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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It was. Yes, we were talking about trans mania and ended up over into the British slave trade and our civil war. You can hear that show today, one to two in the afternoon. Our show comes to you six to eight a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast one to two in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. That is on all KLZ platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app. And you can say, Alexa, play KLZ. And then we're on Spotify and iTunes as well. So you can check all of that out. Check out our website. It's Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. While you're there, sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You'll get first look updates. at our upcoming guests, as well as our most recent essays, you can email me at kim at kimmunson.com. The text line, love to hear from you, is 720-605-0647. And thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice on an independent station, searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we're focusing on these issues and this battle of ideas I'm trying to stay out of all the personality stuff. And we get to do that because of our sponsors. I wanted to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of this show because it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summers. And another sponsor of the show is Hooters Restaurants. How I got to know them, it's a very important story about proper role of government. But Hooters Restaurants, and you can find that at my website, that whole story. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Great place to get together with friends to watch sports, sporting events, and great specials Monday through Friday for lunch and dinner. Wednesdays, they have Wings Day, which you buy 20 wings, you get an additional 20 for free. Girls are coming over tomorrow night, so we're going to partake in that. A great show planned for you in studio with me is producer Luke. And Luke, it's great to have you here. It's great to be here. And producer Joe, you guys are going to be our featured guests in this hour as we continue our book discussion on The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. So we'll continue with that. Luke, I think you're going to love our word of the day. It's fun to say.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Flabbergasted. I love flabbergasted. It's a great word.
SPEAKER 14 :
And it's spelled F-L-A-B-B-E-R-G-A-S-T-E-D. And it could be feeling or showing intense shock, surprise, or wonder, utterly astonished. And I would say there are many that are flabbergasted at all the stuff that's coming out of the Trump administration. And whether you like him or don't, I think people could be flabbergasted on both sides of that opinion. And our quote of the day, in the first hour, So a week or so ago, one of our listeners, Jenny, had sent over an AI-generated answer to a question of if I were the devil. And it really struck a chord with each of you out there. And so I was talking with Zach about it. He says, well, what AI does, it goes out and scours, gets all this information. And I've got to think that it very much was referring to Paul Harvey's address, If I Were the Devil, which was broadcast in 1965. And Paul Harvey was born in 1918, died in 2009. And he was an American radio broadcaster for ABC News. And his programs reached at one point 24 million people per week. And that's when there weren't as many people in America, which I I think that is pretty amazing. So that is in the first hour. And you can hear that if you listen to the that rebroadcast today in the afternoon. But he also had this quote. He said, if you don't live it, you don't believe it. And I thought that that was a very good quote as well, and that is from Paul Harvey. And I mentioned these two headlines in the first hour, and the first is that this is from the Center Square. A new congressional budget proposal would cut federal payments to California by $3.5 billion for allowing illegal immigrants to enroll in the state taxpayer-funded health care program. People out in California are being so overtaxed, and here they're trying to pay for their own health care. They're also having to pay for people that have come here illegally. And it says this budget proposal would cut the federal Medicaid assistance program to states that use their Medicaid infrastructure to provide health care coverage for illegal immigrants under Medicaid and another state-based program. The cuts would not impact emergency care reimbursements. And we had a discussion about the proper role of government. And each state is supposed to be these little sovereign incubators, but they have to make sure they adhere to our Constitution and our vision of our declaration. So if California or Colorado wants to make a bunch of dumb decisions, they need to be responsible for it. and can't look to the people of Nebraska and Kansas and South Dakota to bail them out. They have to be responsible for their decisions. Just like on an individual basis, we need to be responsible for our decisions as well. And so that's why we shed light on what's happening with all of these issues. Colorado is at the tip of the spear on so much of what's going on. And it's important that we learn about this. And it happens because we have great sponsors. And the first thing I wanted to talk with John Bozen, with Bozen Law about, great sponsors of the show. And welcome, John Bozen. It's great to have you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good morning, Kim. Great segue.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. And so much is going on. And we had this riveting discussion with Kevin Lumberg in our number one. But I have a question for you. How important is it that people know what their insurance coverage is? I think people just take it for granted. They think, oh, I have auto insurance. Oh, I have home insurance. But how important is it to know what you really have?
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Well, you talked just a little bit ago about we have to be responsible. And we as consumers, as citizens of the state of Colorado, have to be responsible and know and educate ourselves on what's going on out there. And part of that is realizing that we've got a lot of stuff happening in the state of Colorado. And one of the things that can protect us from illegal, undocumented, whatever you want to call them, drivers, that have no business being on the road is to make sure we have the proper insurance coverage because most of the folks that cause a majority of the folks that cause the accident have no insurance coverage or the state minimum insurance coverage.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, John Bozen, I thought by law, everybody that's behind the wheel in Colorado is supposed to have insurance to Colorado law.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's true. And by law, you're not supposed to cross borders illegally. I mean, people ignore laws all the time. And they should pay the consequences. They don't necessarily in the state of Colorado. But you can protect yourself. And as a wise, educated consumer... You have to have and know what you have in terms of just not auto insurance but homeowner's insurance coverage. And, again, you've got to educate yourself. You've got to have the right, I should have waited for this, but you've got to have the right agent that will educate you and tell you why you need the coverage you need. And without that, you risk, well, not everything but sometimes everything. That coverage, proper coverage, will cover you in the event you get hit by a driver that shouldn't be here, that has no insurance coverage and no ability to do the right thing after they cause a horrific accident.
SPEAKER 14 :
So I'm just positing this question, but it seems like if there can be illegal, and not all uninsured motorists are illegal immigrants, but if you are hit by an illegal immigrant that is here because of sanctuary policies, because of what this legislature and this governor have done, as an attorney, is there any way that we the people could sue them for that?
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I think it's waiting to happen. Really? Right person. Well, I mean, it's going to be difficult. It's going to be a super challenge. But that would maybe start to get some people's attention, especially if a good judge allowed it to go forward.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and that's why these judge appointments are so important as well. All of this is so connected. We're in such an interesting time. We're in such a battle for our state and our country right now. But let's go back to out there driving. You get hit by an uninsured motorist or you just get hit. You're injured. And people call John Bozen and Bozen Law. How much does it cost for that initial consultation?
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Again, this is John Bozen with Bozen Law. That number is 303-999-9999. And it's just like anything in life. Take personal responsibility. Prepare. Because if you do those things, John, even if... If bad things happen, you've set yourself up for, I think, eventual success if you're being proactive on a consistent basis every day in your life, which goes to this quote that I had from Paul Harvey. He says, if you don't live it, you don't believe it. So if you don't live a proactive life, you don't really believe it. And it takes conscious effort, but it sets one up for, I think, a full life in doing so. It's interesting how we can connect all these things on this show, huh? Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, it is. Paul Harvey was a great one. Oh, my gosh, would he be flabbergasted today seeing on both sides of the aisle what's happening. I've got to find a link. I'm sure I can Google it, find a link, and then send that out to my less educated colleagues and friends. I'll put it that way.
SPEAKER 14 :
So the link that I did with what he said, if I were the devil?
SPEAKER 06 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, I'll get that over to you.
SPEAKER 06 :
That'll be great. Thank you, Kim.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. So pleased to have as my featured guests this hour, and that is producer Luke. You produce other shows here at KLZ and other stations as well. We have four stations right here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and then I also do production for some in California, some in Dallas, some kind of all over the place.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And we're an independent, it's an independent company, which I love immensely about that. So, and you've stepped in. How this all happened, and then Producer Joe's our other featured guest. You had stepped in when Producer Steve vacationed or something, and you and I started to have some discussions. And you're 27? Yes? Yes. OK, and Joe will be 27 next on the 20th. So I look at you guys as the young guys. And so you and I were having these discussions and I realized we need to know what what each other are thinking and hearing out there. And so we decided to do this book review of Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson. We worked our way through that. So you suggested the next book. That was my suggestion. The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. So we're working our way through that. I think Joe still wants to do the Communist Manifesto, right? That's your book of choice once we get through this.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think it will have some riveting conversations.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think we, they always are. So Luke, I asked which chapters you wanted to go over and you said chapter five. And so when I opened it up to do my homework, I'm thinking it's just two pages, but you said there was a lot there.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's a very, it's a very short chapter. It's one and a half pages, but it is very dense, I think, with sort of its implications. So I think it's worth a, worth a show.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, and the title of it is The Way to Govern Cities or Dominions That Previous to Being Occupied Lived Under Their Own Laws. So set this up for us.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I'll set it up by just reading the first paragraph. Because while it does kind of indulge in some historical context, I think a lot of the methods sort of it employs are still relevant. And it begins with – Oh, and let's set this up.
SPEAKER 14 :
This was written back in – oh, gosh.
SPEAKER 07 :
We need to have a little sticky note.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, we need to have a sticky note on that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Late 1500s, early 1600s.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so this was before America.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, pre-America.
SPEAKER 14 :
1513. OK, I'm going to write this down. So there we go.
SPEAKER 07 :
I remember that one.
SPEAKER 14 :
OK.
SPEAKER 07 :
The chapter begins whenever those states which have been acquired, as stated, have been accustomed to live under their own laws and in freedom. There are three courses for those who wish to hold them. The first is to ruin them, the next is to reside there in person, and the third is to permit them to live under their own laws, drawing a tribute and establishing within it an oligarchy which will keep it friendly to you. And I think the way it opens is so interesting, and it's kind of convenient that you guys were talking about that piece, If I Were the Devil, because I feel like The last sentence of this is, you know, if you want to sort of take over, acquire, and keep a nation, you know, if you want to control a nation that is used to living under freedom, well, then the thing you got to do is, you know, permit them to live under their own laws, draw tribute, and then establish within it an oligarchy, which will keep them friendly, which is, if you think about it, it's kind of what has happened in part in America, right? I think we've sort of worked ourselves, or rather some bad actors have worked themselves into an oligarchy at the very upper levels. And it feels almost like they're controlling America. And I wanted to... I mean, if you disagree, by all means, but... You know, you look at, you've said before, you know, big business really loves big government. You have these, you know, mega, mega, you know, multimillionaire, billionaire, you know, senators and, you know, people in the House. These people who are supposed to be our elected representatives who are, you know, lining their pockets at the cost of the American taxpayer, right? You have these huge, huge businesses, these big megacorporations buying elections and swaying policy in their favor to fit their agendas. It's an oligarchy that's weaseled its way into the upper echelons of government. And it is, you know, we are allowed for the most part our freedoms, but they are taking their tribute and they're ensuring that they kind of remain on top and continue to influence these elections and policies. And it's very interesting to see, you know, Machiavelli wrote this before America existed without the idea of America, though he's stated before that republics have existed. But to see that we've kind of, in essence, gone almost full circle in this. In the time he wrote this book and it was published for all to read, America was founded, established, and then kind of worked its way back into the same issues that are outlined in this book.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think that's a really interesting point. So let's go over to Joe. And then I want to go back to this first statement that was made. So, Joe, your thoughts on on this?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I just I agree with Luke. And I find it funny that the oligarchy that got established, Jay Davison will say, like, the government doesn't. It is all money provided through taxpayer dollars and that still pays for this oligarchy. I think that's completely unreasonable kind of leading into all of it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so oligarchy, this is from the Britannica. It says, It's a government by the few, especially despotic power, exercised by a small and privileged group for corrupt or selfish purposes. Oligarchies in which members of the ruling group are wealthy or exercise their power through their wealth are known as plutocracies, I guess. Plutocracies. Thank you. Plutocracies. OK, that's going to have to be one of our word of the day. I know that Richard, the limo guy, he's really good with words. And there's days that I think that he probably almost wrecks with some of my pronunciations. So plutocracies is the word. OK, thank you. OK, so would you indulge me and read that first sentence again? Because you're reading it off of your phone. I have a written copy of the book. What are you using, Joe?
SPEAKER 17 :
A mixture of ChatGPT and my book.
SPEAKER 14 :
So those are online as well? Yes. OK, so then I have the old fashioned thing. Gentlemen, this is called a book. It has paper and different pages.
SPEAKER 07 :
So I have two versions of the book at my house. I just don't want to mark them up because I love them too much.
SPEAKER 14 :
OK, so let's let's you read that again, because the reason I want to set this up is because I think that there is a key word that is missing on the online version and that they've changed a word to oligarchy. So that's why I'd like you to read that again.
SPEAKER 07 :
Interesting. All right. The online version, which I should probably mention, is coming from... We are at the Florida Center for Instructional Technology. It's an educational website based out of Florida, it appears. And it begins... Whenever those states, which have been acquired as stated, have been accustomed to live under their own laws and in freedom, there are three courses for those who wish to hold them. The first is to ruin them. The next is to reside there in person. The third is to permit them to live under their own laws, drawing a tribute and establishing within it an oligarchy which will keep it friendly to you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, there's two things I want to bring up. So in the printed version, it says, when those states which have been acquired are accustomed to live at liberty, under their own laws. I think that that's big, that that's not in your version. There are three ways of holding them. The first is to ruin them. The second is to go and live there in person. The third is to allow them to live under their own laws, taking tribute of them and creating there within the country a state. It doesn't say oligarchy. It says a state composed of a few who will keep it friendly to you. Gentlemen, I find that interesting that the words at liberty are not in there and that they've changed state because I think so many young people, well, even though Paul Harvey in this, If I Were the Devil, he had said in there that instead of worshiping God, we would worship religion. So I just, I find it interesting because words matter. So Luke, I'll get your comments on that. Joe, we'll get your comments, then we'll go to break.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. I think it's very interesting and it's cool that we, I think, get to see the distinct difference. I'll go home and I'll check my two other books. I have two other books because this was originally not written in English, right? It has since been translated by different groups who have picked it up. So I imagine you're going to get different words based off of the different translations. But it's kind of unique to see how the words have been changed because I think the difference between liberty and freedom is significant and the difference between state and oligarchy is the most significant because one sort of implies malice. Oligarchy kind of by definition is rule by the few for the purpose of corrupt ends. And then a state – I don't have the Britannica definition in front of me, but a much broader definition – To see that in a book specifically like The Prince, which has founded itself as this text that is used to reveal what bad actors are doing to you, in essence. The design of the book is to say, hey, you the people, here are the things that these people are doing to keep you suppressed. So to change it from oligarchy to state is very interesting because it impacts that perception.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I agree. And the leave out at liberty, I find that curious. Joe, your comments?
SPEAKER 17 :
I agree. I find that curious that they left out liberty. But I also think in the definition of state there, it just kind of centralizes it because like we can say oligarchy and that's kind of overarching for the whole of America. But as we say state, it's kind of more centralized to where we live for each person individually.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And this Thursday, I will be out at the USMC Memorial Foundation Center. uh golf tournament as well as Teresa Irby who is our partnership liaison for lunch I'm not a golfer but I want to be out there for lunch and would love to have you all join us you all I want to say you all join us when I was down at the state house and Senator uh Julia Gonzalez was addressing all of the constituents and was calling us y'all I thought I need to So I would love to have you all join us out there on Thursday. And more information to get your ticket, you can go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And I think that they've got a few spots for golfers as well. So, again, that's usmcmemorialfoundation.org. In studio with me is Producer Luke, Producer Joe. And we're doing our book review of The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. And this is the book that Producer Luke wrote. This book has been used, I think, by a number of young people, have kind of dusted this off, and it was published in 1513-ish. And so it's been something that I think a lot of young people have been reading. Yes, Luke?
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, I don't know. I know younger people are familiar with it. In my circles, at the very least, it's a text that's come up in passing because it's been referenced a lot, though I don't know if too many people have read it. I think they're more familiar with its contents, though I don't know how many people have actually turned the pages.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, that's why what we're doing is so interesting. But all three of us just have this perplexed look. We have this flabbergasted look on our face. Perfect. John Bozen, good job on using that. Regarding the fact that there was some keyword that was changed, and there was the keyword at liberty was left out, and state was changed to oligarchy. And you were, during the break, had some interesting commentary on that, Luke.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. I was stating that the purpose of Machiavelli's text and a lot of the books sort of have this prelude that mention that Machiavelli is often falsely attributed as the author of evil, someone who has conjured up these ideas in a vacuum on how to manipulate people. Uh, that's not the case, uh, given his history and, uh, sort of a lot of what, you know, far more intelligent people than I have researched into him, uh, is that he felt burned. Uh, you know, he felt, uh, disparaged by a lot of these forces. And so when he wrote this text, wrote it in a way that, reveals the methods that the people in power employ to keep its citizenry down, right? It's very much pulling back the curtain to reveal the man behind it for a lot of people. So to have certain key words changed is interesting. It kind of I guess proves the point that he was trying to make, that people can and will change his text, change his words. People have in many times, you know, sort of used Machiavelli as a scapegoat, as a here is this crafter of evil. Don't look at me. Look at him. Right. He's the bad guy who conjured these things up. And to see that sort of in action right now, that his words are still being sort of warped and manipulated and twisted for the benefit of someone, surely, right? Someone has to benefit from these changes. It's very interesting to kind of see that happen live in studio.
SPEAKER 14 :
It is. And Joe, when we were doing our pre-show call, I said I had done my studies on this, and I thought this was interesting, that they were talking about liberty. And you said you had some good comments on that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I just find it interesting in kind of defining liberty. It's our own personal ability to determine our rules and laws. So we don't actually have to follow the government, but the government employs these rules and laws that – force us, kind of like Luke's saying, where it forces us into kind of being pushed down. And that's what Machiavelli was kind of alluding to. But I also find it interesting that Luke's book is coming from an educational source. And that's another way that they're employing that control against liberty.
SPEAKER 14 :
So, and our friend Ben Martin, who is a patriotic historian, has said that liberty is the responsible exercise of freedom. So liberty doesn't mean that you get to do whatever you want to do. There is a responsibility there. Gentlemen, let's... Well, I'd love to go to the last sentence, because in my book, it refers to liberty. But let's see if it does in your... You want to skip to the very last? Yeah, let's just see if they have the word liberty in there, and then we can go back to the middle.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let's see.
SPEAKER 14 :
So the very last sentence.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let's see here. There's a lot of commas and semicolons. But in republics, there is more vitality, greater hatred, and more desire for vengeance, which will permit them to allow the memory of their former liberty to rest, so that the safest way is to destroy them or to reside there. So yours also says...
SPEAKER 14 :
So this is what mine says. It says, but in republics there is greater life, and you had a different word, greater hatred and more desire for vengeance. They do not and cannot cast aside the memory of their ancient liberty. So yours does use liberty there. So that the surest way is either to destroy them or reside in them. So again, interesting slightly different.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I think mine sort of transposes some of that sentence to the next to the first segment we were talking about, which sort of details the establishment of an oligarchy. The next section therein kind of details some historical context and, you know, certain rulers having employed certain strategies in different areas. The next sort of piece I want to dig into, which I think is very interesting because it kind of strikes home to me because this is something I feel very deeply about. It says here, "...and he who becomes master of a city, accustomed to freedom, and does not destroy it, may expect to be destroyed by it. For in rebellion it is always the watchword of liberty, and its ancient privileges as a rallying point." And so this sort of idea that If you come in to a nation to try and take over, to try and rule over a people who are used to liberty, who are used to freedom, will always rally behind that freedom and will in turn turn to destroy you. Machiavelli states that the only way to conquer a nation that is used to freedom is to destroy it or to reside there. Which, again, having not experienced America's founding, to see those ideas made true in the American Revolution, to see that people have experienced freedom and did exactly that. Good point. Okay. Others have come in and tried to do something, and they rallied behind freedom. They will continue to rally behind freedom. And I think if historical context gives us anything, gives me some hope for the future, that we will continue to rally behind freedom and not allow ourselves to be taken over or destroyed by oppressive forces.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, Joe, your thoughts. Well, it makes me think about the World Health Organization and all of the research. And I put air quotes around that, that they've done for like the climate problem. Well, but we have determined and because we were free, we are able to kind of go against the World Health Organization, even though when Joe Biden was in office, he was following them kind of like a lost puppy.
SPEAKER 14 :
So this then gets into force with the whole – the climatism, and we had Steve Goriman yesterday, is that instead of making the case in the free market, they used that narrative to take money via force, via taxation and debt – To push that green agenda, which I have that in air quotes because the green agenda is the green that's gone into PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats and interested parties, which I think could be noted as an oligarchy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Very much so.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
So almost by definition.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Yeah. And and that group. That oligarchy has worked to try to take control of so much. Joe, you have a point?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, that's kind of where Nick Machiavelli alludes to. And so it is what he is saying is ruin the country so that you can maintain hold.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting that you mentioned that, too. It plays right into the next segment where he says where cities and countries are accustomed to live under a prince. And then I'll paraphrase the next few segments here. And then that previous administration is removed. It is easier for a new prince to come in and secure themselves in that seat of power because the people will become disorganized and slow to take up arms. The prince can gain themselves and secure much more easily. So it kind of plays into this establishment of an oligarchy where it feels like the strategy Machiavelli is talking about here and the strategy we're watching be currently employed kind of upon us is to establish this seat of power, establish this oligarchy, establish this rule so that you, the citizen, may become used to being ruled so that you are slow to take up arms as that power transitions.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think Jefferson even realized that, and I'm going to try to pull out my Declaration of Independence, where he basically says people will put up, and I'm going to paraphrase, they'll put up with a lot until they get to a point where they say enough is enough. Joe?
SPEAKER 17 :
And I agree with the establishing oligarchy, because think about how many appointed representatives were put in place by Joe Biden. Okay, they weren't represented as appointed bureaucrats, right? My apologies. Thanks for correcting me. But they didn't even have to go through an election process really to get put to be representatives for this. And that leads to the definition of oligarchy where it is for corrupt purposes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and to be fair, it's not just the Democrats that have been part of this whole moving us to a bureaucratic administrative oligarchy, if you will, where our elected representatives have abdicated their responsibilities to Because they want to – they like being – I've been – I was – I guess it was last April. I was back in Congress or back in Washington, D.C. and walking through the halls of Congress. And you see the different congressmen or women and there's – and the senators. And there's a whole entourage around them. And you can see that they're held in very high esteem. And there's this human nature component that you like that. And, gosh, if you can keep that – and push off the difficult decisions to appointed people who don't have to stand for election. That's where we've gotten to, I think.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. I mean, they're like... They're sort of shifting the burden of responsibility. I mean, just look at any ballot that's come about in the past eight years where it is. Here's a here's a new ballot initiative for a new board of unelected people who are going to start determining what you should do with your life. I mean, even in like the administration, we will elect someone to office. You know, we'll put someone there. Well, what do they do? They go out and they grab their friends and their nieces and nephews and everyone that they're close to and friends with, everyone who put them there, and give them seats of power and give them positions on boards and give them directorial oversight on certain projects. And it's all very everyone's hands and is in each other's pockets. And it feels like
SPEAKER 14 :
That's well, and that's really that's what the Biden administration did.
SPEAKER 07 :
They did it so much.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes. And gosh, Paul Harvey had something a great quote. As I was looking at quotes, it was something along the line of we're in a lot of trouble when you think that I'll see if I can find it where we can make a living by having our hand in our neighbor's pocket.
SPEAKER 07 :
And then, I mean, I wouldn't be – I mean, I'm already offended by it, right? I mean, this sort of idea that all of these people are doing all this. But I'm even more offended when you look at the people who are supposed to represent you, your elected representatives, the people that we are actually voting for. And, you know, they'll vote by proxy and not read the bills and they'll have their staffers and interns look at the pieces of paper living in their, you know, $50 million mega mansion eating a caviar dinner while, you know, the blue collar workers, you know, breaking his knees working on the roads that were taxed to be fixing. It's crazy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and that's an oligarchy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I would actually love it if we had people that were fixing the roads.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, they're not. I guess that's the problem.
SPEAKER 14 :
But the money's going somewhere.
SPEAKER 07 :
So probably that caviar dinner.
SPEAKER 14 :
Definitely. So, OK, I found this quote by Paul Harvey. We'll go to break. It was self-serving politicians who convinced recent generations of Americans that we could all stand in a circle with our hands in each other's pockets and somehow get rich. And so I thought that was an interesting quote. I'm talking with the young guys, producer Luke, producer Joe. And these discussions happen because of our sponsors. And one of those great sponsors is Lauren Levy.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we're at mid-May, and Memorial Day is right around the corner. And both the USMC Memorial Foundation will be having a memorial event out at the memorial. And then the next day, after, well, let's see, it would be on the 28th, so I guess two days after, the Center for American Values will have a great On Values presentation in honor of Memorial Day. And you can get more information about that by going to AmericanValuesCenter.org. The center is located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. And as the kids are out of school, you should put it on your bucket list this summer to get down to the Center for American Values. In studio with me is the young guys, and that is Producer Luke, Producer Joe. We're going through the book review of The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli, which was written in 1513, Chapter 5. The way to govern cities or dominions that previous to being occupied lived under their own laws. Okay, we have just one segment left here. Luke, what else should we talk about?
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, Joe had brought up this interesting little story during the break. And I think it played well sort of running off the back of this discussion where... Our elected representatives aren't really representatives anymore. It has sort of created this almost like pseudo-oligarchy of politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, as you say all the time. And it's interesting. I was thinking about it during the break that I wonder if a lot of this is a sort of byproduct of size. where back in the days of the founding fathers, where there were a couple thousand people to a town, you, for the most part, would know the person you were electing personally. You know the measure of their character. You are intimately familiar with the operations of this one individual, and you are putting them in this seat of power because you trust them. And I feel like Today, just given the size of everything, you don't know your representatives. You don't know the people you're putting into power. It's not a measure of their character. It's a measure of their capacity to market themselves. We're not electing the best people for the position. We're electing the people who are the least visually offensive in their campaign promotions.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, and I think that's a bit on us. We've gotten lazy in demanding to know what these people that are running for office are doing. I think your point is well taken, but I think we've gotten lazy, Producer Joe.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and I think it's due to the explosion of just the availability of information as well, right? We have the Internet now, and so we can see halfway across the world what they're doing at a moment's notice. I can pull out my phone right now and look up what's Japan got going on and find out. And it's just so easy to get all that information. It's an information overload by this point.
SPEAKER 14 :
So to that point, as you all know, I'm president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. I don't think I've said thank you to them. We had our board meeting last night. Let me do that quick like because this is an amazing group of people. Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen. Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And when you see these folks, say thank you. So in doing so, first of all, I think we have an oligarchy here in Colorado as I look at our state legislature. 733 bills and resolutions were introduced this year. There is no way that your representatives can get through all of that. So if somebody is going to put into law they have a responsibility as our representative to read it, to ruminate on it, and to think about the far reaching consequences. So we have gotten to a position where we don't have representative government and they're giving a lot of power to these unelected, these PBIs. The Colorado Union of Taxpayers took positions on 261 of those bills. So first and foremost, you need to be informed. So join us. It's $25, $2.08 a month. But I have frustration with, when you talk about our elected representatives, I would go through and I would see Republicans, we make this whole big thing about protecting TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights. And then I would see that they would have their name on pieces of legislation that would move things into either an enterprise zone or to mess with our TABOR refunds. And what that is, is the government has overcollected our money And they don't want to give it back. And I think that Republicans have to take us and unaffiliated libertarians and moderate Democrats. We have to take a hard stand and say, no, if you say you protect Tabor, you protect Tabor. What do you think?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I agree. And it's so interesting to sort of bringing up these different things. I wonder and I'd love to hear your opinion on this. I know we don't have a whole lot of time. How much of this sort of oligarchy is from bad actors who are You know, entering these places to try and do bad. And then how many of these sort of oligarchical forces are a sort of circumstance of not being fit for power? You look at any HOA board, right? You know, someone gets a modicum of power and it goes straight to their head. So I wonder how much of this is people intentionally being malicious versus people who weren't suited for this position, letting the power get to their head.
SPEAKER 17 :
Excellent point. Okay, Joe. Well, I'm kind of piggybacking off what Luke said, but they know they're doing wrong. That's why they're attacking our Second Amendment right in the first place. It's to disarm us so now we can't go against them anymore.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, my gosh. Gentlemen, as always, I think we're going to have unplugged with Kevin Lundberg and unplugged with you guys. So there are those that know exactly what they're doing, Producer Joe. And then there are those that are naive enough to think that if you take away the right for everyday law abiding citizens to have guns that they think. that the bad guys will get rid of their guns too. No, that's not going to happen. That's just, that's naive. And then I'll try to answer your question quickly. What happens is I think people get into office and they have not read the declaration, not read the constitution, and they start to think that they work for the institution, the HOA, the city, the county. And instead of realizing that their responsibility is there to represent the people to do just a limited amount of things that government is supposed to do and then get out of the way. And I think they forget that.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't know. I think I'd agree. I don't know if they forget it. I think the manipulators will manipulate the naive. Those who are bad will turn those who are naive towards the bad. And then once they're in the same boat, you can't do much because now if I go down, you go down.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so that's why elections matter and informed electorate matters. Gentlemen, we only have enough time to say thank you. Luke, I love the fact that you're game for all this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, thank you for having me. It's been a great time.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Producer Joe, same with you. These conversations are important.
SPEAKER 17 :
I really enjoy these book reviews, and I just want to reiterate that's why the local level is one of the most important pieces because those people are the ones trying to represent us.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and they're our neighbors, but we have to be engaged in that as well. So we'll continue the discussion next month. You're going to love this quote. Joe's heard it. I don't know if you heard this, Luke. This is from Paul Harvey. If pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of progress? Hmm. That's pretty funny.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
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In this episode, Rick challenges common misconceptions about prayer, exploring why many prayers remain unanswered. By shedding light on biblical principles and personal anecdotes, he endeavours to help listeners enhance their prayer life, making it a more profound and fulfilling part of their spiritual journey. This is a must-listen for anyone seeking clarity and depth in their relationship with God through prayer.
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Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
SPEAKER 02 :
Good morning and welcome to the Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and for the next few minutes, stick around. It won't be long, only 30 minutes of motivation, some inspiration, a whole lot of education, and absolutely no manipulation. Why? Because we don't con people. We're not trying to sell you anything. We're not asking you for money. We're not trying to raise money. We're not going to ask you to do anything foolish. We just want you to listen. Listen as I try to verify and identify the plan of God for your life if you are, in fact, a Christian. If you're not, then I tell you the greatest thing you could ever do is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Cannot believe you would go through this life and put that off. Why gamble with your eternal future? Jesus Christ said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man can come to the Father but by me. I hope you'll listen to those words. I hope you consider that because he loves you. He died for you. He resurrected from the dead. He guarantees you that you'll be alive in eternity, and what a wonderful thing that is. So there's so much to cover. I've been covering for the last few weeks a lot on the Flatline, how we came up with the name Flatline. Then I've been going through those 10 problem-solving devices that my pastor taught me years ago. I want you to know we're working on a new book. Hopefully it'll be out before the summer's over, surely in the next couple of months, and it's called The Spiritual Life of the Christian. We're gonna show you how the spiritual life works When you ask people how's your spiritual life, many people don't really understand what you're talking about. What do you mean by my spiritual life? And that's what I'm attempting to do. My team and I have put together this book for you called The Christian Spiritual Life. It deals with what is your spiritual life, and you'll be able to order that. You can pre-order it if you want to. We'll put your name on the list and send it to you. You can always go to the website, rickhughesministries.org, or you can call 800-831-0718. So thank you for being with me this morning. What I want to talk to you about this morning is very dear to my heart. I want to talk to you about prayer. I want to talk to you about prayer. You know, as I said for the last several shows, I've been reviewing those 10 problem-solving devices and how we came to call our show the FLOT line, F-L-O-T, which stood for Forward Line of Troops. And if you missed that information about what those 10 problem-solving devices actually consist of, Please don't hesitate to go to our website and order the free book, Christian Problem Solving. There, all 10 problem-solving devices are discussed in detail, and you can study them and read them up, mark it up in your Bible, and learn them and use them in your life every day. The message I want to give you today is message 1029 Sundays on the radio. That's right, 1029 Sundays, all provided by the grace of God. You might notice that we don't have any advertisers. We don't solicit finances, so you might wonder how in the world do they pay for all of these shows on so many different stations, almost 100 stations every Sunday morning, and it's not free. The answer is simple. We pray a lot. I once had a friend who told me, if you need anything, just ask me and I'll provide it. My answer was, if I need something, I'll tell God. If he wants to let you know about it, he'll tell you. My associates and I believe in the power of prayer. We pray for you, our listeners, who write and request information about growing spiritually. We pray for the finances to fund the radio ministry as well as the staff and office needs. In short, there are many needs that we pray for, believing God will hear and God will answer. But what about you? Do you pray very often? Are your prayers being heard? That's the question I want to ask you. Are your prayers being heard? And definitely, are they being answered? So please allow me to give you some concerns about prayer. These things were taught to me by my pastor many years ago, and they may be a little bit of shock to you, but I think they need to be said. So buckle up your chin strap, tie up your shoelaces, and listen carefully. Number one, you cannot con God in prayer. Can't pull the wool over God's eyes. You can't con God in prayer. Prayer is legitimate and it's a wonderful thing, but it's not to be used for you to try to con God. Two, you don't use prayer to get your own way. You don't use prayer to get your own way. It's very easy to think you need something and start praying for it, asking God to give it to you. It might not even be in his will. And three, Prayer must be compatible with the will of God, not with our will. It must be compatible with the will of God and not with our will. Number four, another thing that has to be said, prayer is not designed to get us out of trouble, but rather to express our helplessness and our dependence on God when we are in trouble. And number five, prayer is an extension of our spiritual life and is always based on the content of the word of God in our soul's mentality. In Hebrews 7, 24 through 25, listen very carefully. But he, that's the Lord Jesus Christ, because he continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore he is also able to say to the uttermost those who come to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. The Lord Jesus Christ makes intercession for each one of us. That means that he prays for us. He's at the right hand of the Father. He intercedes for us in our knees and when we're under attack. When we're under criticism by the devil, he prays for us, intercedes for us. He's my child, Father. He's ours. He's believed in me. He's accepted me. He prays for us since he's our higher priest. He knows every need we have, and he intercedes on our behalf. Maybe you never thought about that. Today, the Lord Jesus Christ probably prayed for you before the Father, brought your name up before the Father. How about that? The Holy Spirit also has a ministry of prayer for the believer. He intercedes for us to the Father as well. In Romans 8, 26 and 27, likewise the Spirit also helps our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we should, but the Spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now he who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is because he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Again, he makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. So there you've just seen the Holy Spirit makes intercession for you in your prayer. He assists you in your prayer. And the Lord Jesus Christ supports you in prayer, stands behind you in prayer before the throne of God. So there's no doubt about that, and no doubt that you and I have been commanded to pray. We must pray, we need to pray. In Philippians 4, six through seven, be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving, Let your request be made known to God, and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. What a wonderful passage. The command be anxious for nothing is a present active imperative in the Greek New Testament. It's a verb pronounced meri-mena-o, meri-mena-o. And it's the word be anxious for nothing. Don't be distracted by anything. Be distracted by your thought. The instructions that Paul gives are obvious. You can go to your Heavenly Father in prayer when you're anxious, with the result being peace. Notice the word supplication again. Did you hear that? Be anxious for nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication, which literally means presenting your needs to your Heavenly Father. And what happens? When you present your needs to your Heavenly Father, you come with thanksgiving. And what? The peace of God will guard you. With thanksgiving indicates you're using the faith rest drill, problem-solving device number three. And you are indeed expecting results. So don't be anxious about anything. That's stress-related sins. But in everything, by prayer, that's you going to the throne of God, and presenting your request along with your thanksgiving, appreciation, let your request be made known to God, take it to God. And then the peace of God, which comes through the ministry of the Holy Spirit, which surpasses all understanding, the world doesn't have what you have, will guard your heart and mind through Christ Jesus. That means you won't get upset, you won't be in panic palace, you'll have complete peace and complete relaxation. When you use this formula, you can expect to have your worries or your concerns removed through the ministry of the Holy Spirit who gives you peace. It's an amazing phenomena, a phenomena that the lost man can never experience, regardless of how much he prays. People don't understand that, but a lost man's prayers are not heard. If he's not a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, there's no way his prayer is going to be heard in heaven or be answered from heaven. The only prayer the lost man can pray is the prayer of salvation. Heavenly Father, I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and I'm willing to receive him as my Savior. I know he died on that cross for me and I know he guaranteed me eternal life because of his resurrection. That's a wonderful prayer. You can pray that prayer anytime you want to as an unbeliever, but that's the only prayer the unbeliever has available to him, not us. As Christians, we have a lot of prayers. So we can pray, and we have a very powerful weapon in prayer, if we do it the correct way. But we must remember that prayer has to be compatible with God's will. It's not designed to manipulate God, as I told you earlier, you cannot con God. It's designed to be compatible with his will, not to manipulate him, but rather to conform us to his will, whatever his will is. Many prayers of believers, you and I, many times our prayers will go unanswered. And why is that? Well, it's simply because we do a right thing but in a wrong way. And I think about that very often about on Sunday morning, especially like this morning, how many people prayed in church, how many people stood in pulpits and prayed, how many people stood in Sunday school classes and prayed, and it didn't go any higher than the ceiling. Many prayers go unanswered because you do the right thing praying in a wrong way. What do I mean by that? The number one thing that will cause your prayer to go unanswered is unconfessed sin in your life. Psalm 66, 18 says, if I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear. So let's give you an illustration. If Deacon Smith is up praying at the pulpit, the pastor calls on Deacon Smith to pray before the offertory prayer, and he prays this glowing prayer, but he has hatred in his heart for Deacon Jones. Can't stand Deacon Jones. They got into it in a business deal, and he's never forgiven him. Well, he has that mental attitude sin, And that prayer will not be answered, not even be heard, because he's out of fellowship. He quenched the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot do his job and intercede for him. So you have to understand that if you try to pray with sin in your life, unconfessed sin in your life, be whatever it is, mental attitude sins, sense of the tongue, or even overt sins, That prayer will not be answered because unconfessed sin grieves the Holy Spirit and unconfessed sin quenches the Holy Spirit's power to make your prayer effective. Now, the Bible tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5, 19, don't quench the Spirit. That's what sin does. Sin shuts off the power of the Holy Spirit. And then in Ephesians 4.30, don't grieve the Holy Spirit of God. Again, makes him sad, if you can use that word for the Holy Spirit. Disappointed maybe, the Holy Spirit is disappointed in us when we sin. We grieve the Holy Spirit by whom we are sealed into the day of redemption. So we can quench the Spirit and lose the filling of the Holy Spirit, yes, by sinning. But we don't lose the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. He's always gonna be there since we're believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. So the only effective prayer that a believer can offer when there is known sin in his life as found in 1 John 1.9. If you have known sin in your life and you're trying to pray, it's not gonna be answered, not even gonna be heard until you use 1 John 1.9. That is the recovery process from failure. If we confess our sin, this is problem-solving device number one, rebound, if we confess our sins, he, God, is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. This is what every Christian has to do when they sin. Whenever we sin and fail, We must immediately go to God the Father and admit the sin, not try to hide it, not try to put it off, not say, well, I'll confess it later tonight. If you sin at 8 a.m. in the morning in a traffic jam, headed into work, and you get mad, lose your temper, say something you shouldn't say, think something you shouldn't think, you immediately are out of fellowship. And if you wait until you go to bed at night to confess your sin, that's dumb. Why would you want to live out of fellowship and sleep in fellowship? So when you know you've committed a sin, that's when you have to confess a sin immediately. Not later, immediately. And the word if, if we confess our sin, that's conditional. It means maybe you will and maybe you won't. So the two things for us to remember in regards to confessing sin is this. First of all, what sin did we commit? Do you know what sin you committed? Are you confessing a mental attitude sin? I hate that person, I'm jealous of that person, I've been envious of that person. Did you commit a sin of the tongue? I slandered him, I lied about him, I gossiped about him. Or is it an overt sin? And second, this verse says, confess the sin, which literally means to name the sin to God. If we confess is the verb homo legeo, compound verb, homo legeo, the same to say, the same to say is what it means. What God is expecting out of us is to tell him exactly what we did. It's not God forgive me for my sin, it's God forgive me for my lie. God, forgive me for my hatred. God, forgive me for my lust. It's naming what you did to God, not, Lord, I've been bad. Forgive me for being bad. Tell him what you did because every sin that you commit, once you start going down that road, you'll commit other sins. But if you do use 1 John 1, 9, amazingly, God can even cleanse you from the ones you don't remember. Because it says, what? He's just to forgive us of our sins and to cleanse us from all, every unrighteousness. So the believer's prayer usually falls under one of three categories. First, there's adoration. This is where we thank God for his unfailing love and daily provisions for us every day. And you should do that when you pray. You thank God for who and what he is, his justice, his righteousness, his unfailing love. And then there's the intercessory prayer where we pray for the needs of other people. And finally, personal petitions. That's where we bring up our own personal needs and pray for those. But remember, no prayer is heard while you have unconfessed sin in your life because you are carnal and not spiritual. It's a very sad thing that many leaders will tell you to pray. Pray, brother, pray, but they don't tell you how to pray. You may have never heard this from the pulpit of your pastor's church, but if you pray with sin in your life, it's not answered. Another principle that we need to emphasize is why do we pray? Why do we pray? Our Lord taught us to address our prayers this way in Luke 11, one through four. Now it came to pass as he was praying in a certain place, He ceased praying, and one of the disciples said to him, Lord, would you teach us to pray? And he taught his disciples this. So he said to them, when you pray, say, quote now, our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us day by day our daily bread and forgive us our sins, for we also forgive anyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. Notice that we pray to the Father. I cannot emphasize that to you enough. When you pray, you do not pray to Jesus. You do not pray to the Holy Spirit. You pray to the Father. When you start praying to Jesus, you're not doing it right. You're doing the right thing, but you're doing it in the wrong way. Our Father in heaven, the Lord Jesus Christ said. That's who you pray to. And I assure you that prayers offered to Jesus or prayers offered to the Holy Spirit are ineffective prayers. Remember that. This particular study we're doing this morning deals only with the believer's devout supplication and entreaty to God the Father. It does not, I repeat, it does not cover you praying to Jesus. That's not correct procedure. Nowhere in the Bible are you authorized to pray to Jesus. You pray to the Father. And you're not authorized to pray to the Holy Spirit. You're not authorized to pray to any object of worship, such as an angel or a saint. You, as a Christian, have the right to represent yourself before God the Father in the name of the Son and through the power of the Holy Spirit because you are a believer priest. And you have the right to spiritual privacy. So Hebrews 4.16 says, let us therefore come boldly or with confidence to the throne of grace, that's God's throne, so that we can obtain mercy and find grace in time of need. Prayer is one of the most powerful and effective functions in all of history. It's an invisible power directed toward an invisible God in a relationship with our invisible assets. In 1 Thessalonians 5, 17, Paul commands this, pray without ceasing. This verse is a mandate for us to have a consistent, effective prayer life. It's not implying that we must pray 24 hours a day, but rather that we be consistent and faithful in our prayers. Hopefully, hopefully you thank God daily for saving you and hopefully you thank God daily for providing your every need as per Matthew 6, 33 and 34. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all of these things will be added to you. Therefore, don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things, sufficient for the day in its own trouble. So look, God promised to provide your logistical needs, and there's nothing wrong with asking for him to do that. He's going to be faithful to do that. Thank him for providing your needs. My team and I have assembled a bookmark that I assume will help you with your prayers, especially the ones that are not being answered. And I'd like to offer that to you. If you'll order it, just go to the website and order 10 Reasons Prayer Might Not Be Answered. Or call again, 800-831-0718. And give us your name and address slowly in case we don't answer. It may be an answering machine, so say it slow and succinctly. And we will send you the bookmark, Why Your Prayer Might Not Be Answered. But I'm going to give you a few of them here. Hopefully it will help you. Number one, your prayer might not be answered if you fail to use God's process for prayer. What does that mean? John 15, 16. Whatever you ask of the Father in my name. So when we go to the Father for our prayers, how do we pray? In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. When I watch people pray on television, preachers or at a sporting event or politicians at something and people pray, I want to know, are they saying, in the name of Christ, I offer this prayer? That must be done. Whenever you pray, you must offer the prayer in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. We must always approach our Heavenly Father in that name, in the name of Christ our Lord. And two, and by the way, number one, even if you're saying the blessing, Father, I thank you for the food we're about to receive. We ask you to sanctify it, set it apart for our bodies. In Christ's name, we offer this prayer. Amen. Don't ever fail to do that. And number two, you can pray with the wrong motivation and that prayer will not be answered. James 4.3, you ask and you do not receive what you ask for because you ask it with the wrong motives. If you're asking for something that's out of the will of God, it's not going to be answered. You're trying to pull one over on God, con God, get God to give you what you want. I used to have a friend that said, if God will just let me win the lottery, I'll give him 10%. Well, that's a joke. Don't pray that prayer. Don't pray something like that. That's silly. And number three, you ask for something that's not in his will. In John 5, 14, if we ask anything according to his will, then he hears us according to his will. So your prayer must be in line with the will of God to get an answer. Here's one that'll surprise you. Lack of domestic tranquility can mean your prayers will not be answered. In 1 Peter 3, 7, listen to this, fathers, husbands. Peter wrote, Husbands, likewise dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, so that your prayers be not hindered. And that's important that you remember that. If you're fighting and arguing with one another, that's a sin. And you go to start trying to pray with all of that sin in your life, it's not going to be answered. And number five, the absence of faith will mean your prayer won't be answered. Excuse me. In Matthew 21, 22, and whatever things you ask in prayer, now listen, here it comes, believing you will receive. That's your faith. So when you pray to God and ask for something, believe that he can provide it. If it's in his will, he will for sure do that. In the spiritual life, you're always in a position to offer prayer. Anytime, anywhere, any day. Ephesians 6, 18, by means of prayer and petition, pray at all times and in the spirit. And with this in view, be alert in prayer for all the saints with perseverance and petition. Pray at all times in the spirit, filling of the Holy Spirit. Be alert in prayer for all the saints. So finally, we see the Lord delivered the Psalmist from death in his prayer. Listen to what he prayed in Psalm 116, verse one through four. I love the Lord because he's heard my voice and my request because he bent down and listened carefully to me. Therefore, I can call to him as long as I live. The snares of death encompass me and the terror of the grave has overpowered me. I am suffering anguish and distress. Then I kept calling on the person of the Lord. Oh Lord, I beseech you, oh Lord, deliver my soul. I love the Lord because he has heard my voice and my supplications because he bent down and listened carefully to me. Therefore, I will call to him as long as I live. The snares of death encompassed me, and the terror of the grave had overpowered me, but I am suffering anguish and distress. Then I kept calling on the Lord, and he provided the answer. The believer who wrote that was dying and prayed for deliverance, and the rest of the Psalms indicate that that prayer was indeed answered. So yes, you can pray when you're looking at these doors of death and facing death. If it's not God's will, pray. Ask the Lord to deliver you. Reason with the Lord. Go before him and claim the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and pray with faith, not with unconfessed sin in your life. I hope this has helped you understand why prayers are not answered sometimes. And I hope you will keep listening every weekend, same time, same place. Until next week, this is your host, Rick Hughes, saying thank you for listening to The Flatline.
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All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer, Todd Watkins, joining us now. Todd, welcome. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 09 :
I am well, John. Thank you.
SPEAKER 17 :
Very, very nice having you on with us. I mentioned yesterday because I happened to listen to an interview that was done with some of the previous GOP executives. I guess I should say some of the folks that served in the previous administration, the vice chair and the treasurer. And they were on another show, a commercial. Not necessarily a competing show of ours, but another show, another station. I want to make sure I was clear on that yesterday. I said another show. It was on another station. But some people had been texting me, Todd, hey, listen in. I think you might find it interesting, so on and so forth. So I did. And what was interesting, Todd, and I'll start with this, as I was getting text messages back in from my listeners here, I had people literally that said something to the effect of more than one. said something to the effect of, you know, we know John's in radio, and we know you and Andy, you know, were very adamant about how clueless and dumb as a rock some of those folks in the previous administration had been. But, oh, boy, did this host yesterday prove your point in a big way because they were actually dumber than what you guys have actually been saying all along. And, Todd, I don't have any other way to start this conversation than to start it off that way because literally they proved how literally dumb they really are.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I'm not going to argue with you. So I believe you'll find that the former vice chair, uh, hope her defense of the, uh, it's $140,000 discrepancy in the FEC filings. And we can just, I know a little of the background on that. If you want to go into that, that's fine. But her defense for that was, uh, They weren't able to hire an audit company because an audit, a very full-blown forensic deep dive audit would cost in the six-figure range. But they had to spend that six figures defending the party from the coup. Well, John, I'll just go ahead and say it. I am the coup president.
SPEAKER 17 :
I guess you could say that we were very much a part of that as well because, as you know, Todd, I had started calling for Dave's resignation and removal, not in a coup fashion, but I gave him a vote of no confidence about 30 days into his being chair of the Colorado GOP. So you could say that I was one of the first publicly to start asking for that. Really quick, though, before we move on, I thought this really – I don't know if this is really a joke or not. I actually got a text message in that said, hey, I listened to you guys talk yesterday, talking about the forensic audit and so on. He says, you know, I've got a really cheap way of making that audit happen, by the way. And I think he said this because I can relate to this. All you really need... for somebody to do a forensic audit of those particular books, is the wife or the mother of a business owner, because those guys will go into a deep dive and find everything, including that $10 missing receipt. So reality, I mean, I know it's kind of a joke, Todd, but really it's not, because frankly, those particular individuals can find anything.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it needs to be found. And it sounds like, based on what I know from two years ago when the Dave Williams administration took over... is that there are probably issues with those, at least the federal filings, the FEC reporting, that goes back a decade-ish. But I mean, in defense of the spending money to actually do a deep dive audit, was to defend the party against, you know, Nancy and me. The coup. It's funny.
SPEAKER 17 :
They always call it, Todd, and I don't use this word because I think it's the dumbest thing ever. They always call it a coup, and I want to make sure I set the record straight, folks. It's not a coup. You know, a coup is a... overthrow from within using particular individuals that are planted and so on. We all know what a coup is, Todd, at the end of the day. We hear that term used. In this particular case, this wasn't a coup. What we wanted, what I wanted, and I know what you and others wanted, was literally just a confidence vote of the existing administrators that were there, the chair, vice chair, and so on. We just wanted a vote of confidence to determine whether those people should continue on or not. That's not a coup, Todd.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, we did what the bylaws prescribed for the removal of officers. And they turned that into lawfare and labeled it a coup. And they want to say that they can't do their job properly because of a problem that they found 15 months before any of this started. They needed that money to sue Nancy and me. They sued Nancy and me twice, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and really quick here, for those who don't know the timeline, let me restate what you just said. They're saying that we couldn't have the forensic audit at the beginning. This is when they first took over, like in March of 23, right? And they couldn't afford that, and they're blaming the cost of fending off the coup, as they call it. The coup was 15, 16 months later. Okay, so obviously they didn't even know that was coming, so that excuse doesn't stand at all. Well, they're all knowing, Andy. Come on now.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. And by the way... They got their crystal ball out. They knew that was coming, Andy. Right. How ludicrous, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, this is entirely ludicrous. Then, when they first came in, they accused Christy Burton Brown of all kinds of economic malfeasance.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And my question was very simple, Todd, and you were there at the time. Really? Then take her to court. Prove it. Prove it in court and get your money back. Prove it in court. Put her in jail or sue her. Get the money back. They didn't lift a legal finger because they never had a case. Am I right?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I don't think they did.
SPEAKER 17 :
I'm really quick, Todd. I'm going to jump in because here's how I look at it. Knowing what they did with you and as far as their lawsuit back to you guys go, or the lawsuit initially that went to you guys, the reality is, trust me, if they would have thought something was wrong in the KBB administration, they would have definitely gone to court over it for sure. Guaranteed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah, they went to court over anything. Go ahead, Todd.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, if their current... conduct is any indication of how they were then, yeah, I would tend to agree that if there was something there, they would have pursued it. And, I mean, Tom himself and Dave stood in front of the entire Central Committee and said that they were absolutely going to pursue all legal remedies to correct and claw back whatever they felt was missing that the previous administration had mishandled. And they never did. No, they absolutely never did. And I asked Dave a couple of times, if you've got something, you need to act on it, especially if it's criminal. His defense was often – well, always, actually. We need the executive committee to vote on it before we go and hand this over to an investigator. And I said no. If there's something criminal, if you suspect that there's criminal conduct, you don't wait for permission from your board to go do that. You have a duty to report, and law enforcement do its job. So, yeah, I'm inclined to think they didn't have it.
SPEAKER 06 :
They didn't have any case at all. You know, another thing that really bothered me in this interview yesterday, which just blew my mind, Todd... was that they were claiming that they had to save the party from you guys, you coosters. By the way, was your coup violent? I mean, was it like New Jersey? Did you, you know, shove police people and stuff like police members and stuff like that? Like a New Jersey mayor? I'm just kidding. But, you know, this is... They said that they had to protect the party. That was their words. Rescue the party. Yeah, that was Hope's words. Protect the party. How were they protecting the party? Were you going after the party, or were you going after three people to simply have them voted on for leadership?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, they had to defend their own worthless jobs. Thank you. We weren't attacking the party. If you want to call this attacking, okay, fine. Fine, let's go with that. We were attacking Dave Hope and Anna because they were doing a horrible job and they were bad for the party. We actually wanted to help the party to save the party, not attack it. So the party wasn't going to go away. She even said that if they didn't defend the party, there would be no Republican Party. And no, actually, the Republican Party would have gone on. And if this was failed, then I ask you, why are we in charge now?
SPEAKER 17 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I mean, is there no party now? Wait a minute, I see there is a party. So I guess they were wrong. But they're insisting, Todd, they're insisting that they spent $100,000 to fend you guys off legally and to go out. By the way, they launched the lawsuits. You didn't. They did. To launch these lawsuits against you, they spent $100,000 all to over $100,000. Thank you, John. I'm sorry. I was being too kind. Over $100,000 all to supposedly protect the party when all they were trying to do was save their own butts.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, they paid one law firm, David Piggott is one of the attorneys. I forget the other attorney's name. They paid that particular firm as of the end of their reign. $109,000 and some change. And there were some other law firms in there, too, that they paid.
SPEAKER 17 :
They paid, and I won't name them all off, but they did that. They paid corporate close to $40,000. I'd have to double-check that one as well, Todd. But all in all, it's probably about $180,000 or so.
SPEAKER 06 :
That sounds about right.
SPEAKER 17 :
I've looked at the FEC reports. That's pretty close.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's a lot of money that did not go to our candidates.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
They had to attack Nancy and me.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, Todd Watkins with us as well. Todd, I do want you one more time, and I know you and Andy have done this before, but for folks listening, I'd like you to give, and I know I don't need exact dates and so on, but a rough... Thank you, Todd.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct. That would have been the we scheduled the meeting for July 27, I believe it was. They filed their first lawsuit against Nancy, Pelosi and me. was filed earlier in July, a couple weeks earlier, asking for injunctive relief. Then they went to the judge. I think it was the day before, two days before.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I talked about it on air. I believe it was, in fact, two days before. I'd have to go back and look at all of my show notes on that, Todd, because I was talking about those things on air at that time. But, yeah, to your point, it was either the day before or two days before. I believe you are correct in that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and they actually had to – I'll be blunt about it. They lied to the judge to get that restraining order put on us, that emergency restraining order. It was done ex parte, so Nancy and I were not able to respond or address it.
SPEAKER 17 :
And really quick, what was the lie? What did they say that was the lie?
SPEAKER 09 :
So Colorado law says that the state central committee has the ultimate decision-making resolution for any controversy that occurs within the party. They called this a controversy, and they told the judge that the central committee had already told us that we could not have this meeting, which was absolutely untrue, a bald-faced lie from Dave's point. Um, the, their executive committee has said that we didn't, we weren't following the proper procedure to, uh, to call this meeting, uh, which is totally false. Also, we, we did everything. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, for those who don't know, at the time, the executive committee was largely overrun by a small group of Dave's loyalists.
SPEAKER 09 :
That that's absolutely correct. Um, so this was a meeting to remove, uh, Dave Hope and Anna from their positions. and then elect new officers. We didn't have any picked out. We just assumed that people would nominate from the floor, and we would elect a new leadership team to serve out the rest of Dave's term until March, when you would have your org meeting and elect a full complement.
SPEAKER 17 :
I just keep being devil's advocate. Again, I was one of the first persons to call for a lot of this to happen early on because I could see – At a very early stage, just how corrupt Dave was, what he would actually end up doing to the party. It didn't take me long to start figuring out things that were going to be happening. And frankly, Todd, not bragging, but I was not wrong in the least. Dave turned out to be every bit as corrupt as I said he was going to be from about 30 days in to his chairmanship. And the reality is the guy is as dirty as the day is long. I'm sorry, he is. He uses other people to do his speaking for him, i.e. Hope and Tom, as in the case of yesterday. And I keep asking people that, you know, why can't Dave speak for himself? I've given numerous opportunity for Dave to come on this program and legitimize the thing that he was doing inside of the party, Todd. And all I get is crickets.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I don't know what he's got up his sleeve. I don't trust the guy, Todd, at all.
SPEAKER 17 :
Not as far as I could throw him.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no, I definitely learned some very powerful lessons. I would sooner trust a mafia boss.
SPEAKER 17 :
Dave is as corrupt as corrupt can be. I've said it numerous times. I'll say it on air again. I have no problem saying this. Dave cares about Dave only, doesn't care about the state of Colorado, doesn't care about the party here in Colorado, doesn't care about politics in Colorado. Dave cares about one thing and one thing only, climbing the ladder himself, and that's all he cares about. And he will walk all over everybody else in his path.
SPEAKER 06 :
And he will spend well over $100,000 of party money that he will take it out of the pockets of our candidates just to try to keep his job.
SPEAKER 17 :
Dave is a political grifter looking to see where his next best deal is.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. They literally sued us and blamed us for them suing us.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct. And their followers believe that. Their followers actually believe that you forced them to spend all that money on lawyers when they initiated it.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. Here, for their followers, all Dave had to do was call the meeting that we asked for. Right. Apparently, he won that vote. Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, they had to go and have a meeting under the bridge to avoid the bigger meeting that was even going to happen prior to that 27th meeting, Todd. Let's not forget that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I've made a lot of jokes about that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Five whole people. They had to have a meeting under the bridge to put off the meeting that was supposed to be being held at that exact same time, and they did that in a way that was to eliminate and or have that other meeting from happening in the first place. All of you that are listening that are on that Dave side of the aisle, let's not forget that. There was supposed to be a meeting held, a confidence vote, if you would, at that time, Todd, because I was following all of this at that time. I was reporting on it, talking about it here on air on a very routine, if not daily basis. So all of that is still fresh in my mind. So anybody out there talking about you guys starting this, they're loons. They're crazy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And Todd, if I may really quick here, Todd, they they had two things that they wanted to do with all of these legal actions. Number one, of course, somehow try to stop the vote from happening. But number two, to delay it. Why? They wanted you guys had come well before election season. to get this resolved so that we could have new leadership in place for the election, right? What they did is they pushed it back into election season. That was their goal. They pushed it by them holding that idiotic meeting, which is only five people under a bridge, okay, with no quorum whatsoever, so they could delay it back to August 31st. And people say, well, Andy, you're throwing these dates. I don't understand. Here's the bottom line. They push back. Your original vote would have happened about six weeks earlier, well before election season. They pushed it all the way back. to the end of August, beginning of September, so it would be in election season. Why? So that they could blame you guys for trying to change leadership in the middle of an election. And that became the number one talking point from Dave, Hope, and I forget her name, Anna. And it was all over the internet. They said that you guys were trying to change leadership in the middle of an election, and it was them. Who pushed it back into the election? Am I wrong on any of this?
SPEAKER 09 :
So, no, you're not wrong. But there's another really important point to bring up. Go ahead. They were absolutely working the elections. They were absolutely very involved in elections during the primary season. We didn't touch them during the primary season. They got all involved in contested primaries and lost miserably. So tell me exactly what they were going to do after they lost everything during the primaries. Primaries that they never should have gotten involved with. Dave wasn't going to lift a finger to help any of the people that beat him or his cronies that he put up to run against other Republicans. And they didn't. I guess the coup air quotes provided... a good cover for them for why they failed in the generals.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I mean, Andy's bringing up a great point. The reality is, and going back to even some of you that are listening that are still on Dave's side, again, I was asking for Dave's removal early in. You could see the handwriting on the wall. You could see what was happening. You go through the whole primary end of things where he ends up running for office as chair, which, by the way, is just appalling in and of itself. I please don't give me this excuse that Ken Buck did it, because no, Ken Buck didn't do it. That has to be the lamest excuse I've ever heard from anybody throw out there, because they are not one in the same any way, shape, or form. And no, I'm not a Ken Buck fan at all. You guys have heard me talk about that in the past also.
SPEAKER 06 :
He never ran. Not while he was chair. He never ran in a contested primary against other Republicans. Correct. Dave did. Correct. That's the difference.
SPEAKER 09 :
And John, that's really what pushed me to do what I did was exactly that. Dave announced he was going to run for CD5 while still sitting as chair. And I asked him why he was doing that. And I strongly recommended, actually demanded that he step down from his position as chair if he was going to run in what was going to be a contested primary race. And he said, no, I don't have to do that. Nothing in the rules says I need to do that. And I said, listen, no matter how you work this, it's going to be terrible optics for the party and actually for your campaign. Because there's no way that anybody is not going to see that you are using your position as the state party chair to benefit your campaign. That's right. He said, no, it didn't happen that way. And he proved me right within a week when he sent out the mailers attacking his prospective, not even announced campaign.
SPEAKER 06 :
primary contestant. They mobilized the entire state party team to campaign for him and against Jeff Crank in the primary.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right. You're correct. Again, Todd, I mean, to me, it's pretty simple. Reality, and again, I get it. We are where we are today. I also keep getting the question of, okay, where are we at as a party today? What's happening? And those of you that say that, all you have to do is read the newsletters that are coming out of the Colorado GOP right now, the things that are happening in regards to getting things organized, fundraising, all the different things that are happening, all the things that are going on all around the state. And please stop this criticism of, you know, they should be done at the state capitol, quote unquote, lobbying certain things that are happening. That is not the role of the chair, the vice chair, the treasurer of the Colorado GOP. That is not their way. That is not how this works. As you know, Todd, they are there to help get candidates elected that can go down to the statehouse and represent all of us equally when it's all said and done. That's what's supposed to happen, Todd. They are not elected officials that go down to the statehouse and lobby.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, the job of the party is to get our people in the policymaking positions.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's exactly right. To get down there and actually give us a seat at the table, which, again, the last administration did a poor job of doing that. There's a lot of things, and I'm going to talk about some of this as I let you go and we get into our next segment, some of the things that happened during the last legislative session. The reality, Todd, Andy, both of you know this, we've got to get more seats at the table or we're not going to win. That's the bottom line. The last administration did nothing to help us along those lines. And the reality is we've got to change that and move forward. And, you know, is Brita and all of them going to be the entire answer? I'll just tell everybody straight up, no, and it's nothing against Brita. The damage that was done by Dave is going to take a long time to get some of that back and to bring some of the trust back in individuals, donors, and so on because of the damage that was done by the last administration. Am I correct, Todd?
SPEAKER 09 :
It's going to take a couple of cycles. to get the COGOP on a truly winning trajectory. I think that's absolutely correct. But we have to start somewhere. We do. And this is where we have to start.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's exactly right. That's exactly right. All right, Todd. Hey, thank you for your time. I appreciate it very much. You're always gracious with us, and I appreciate that very much.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, thanks, John. Thanks, Andy.
SPEAKER 17 :
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SPEAKER 17 :
Now, back to Rush to Reason. And, yes, you are welcome to call or text 307-282-22. And, Andy, just recapping what Todd said, and I just want everybody that's out there listening that might have heard that interview yesterday that was on a competing show on another station. And that host, by the way, was far too kind because when those individuals – basically said that, well, we had to spend that money to protect the party, I would have come out and said, yeah, no, you were spending that money to protect yourself. You weren't spending that to protect the party any way, shape, or form. The party will continue on and be just fine. You were afraid to hold a vote and do the things that others wanted done because you were fearful you might actually lose your position at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. John. That's all it boils down to. Yeah. All that money they spent. All that money. You can say 100, 120, 180, whatever. All of it was to stop a vote. Yep. Okay. All of it was to stop the central committee from simply coming together and having a vote. A vote which, by the way, the courts ultimately ruled what? Legal. Right. So the courts ruled that that vote was legal. Okay, bottom line, game, set, match, done. The courts ruled it legal, and you just blew well over $100,000 just to try to stop a legal vote, and you're saying that you had to do it to protect the party when the party wasn't at risk.
SPEAKER 17 :
I want to add something to what you just said, too, Andy. You're correct on all of that. But let's not forget, a very large portion of money was spent on top of what you just said was spent to actually defend that. On top of that, there was money spent to then, because they didn't like some of the individuals that actually did some of that initially. Yep. They then spent more money to go into attack mode to then go after people. That's where the whole... You know, the whole Matt Arnold thing started. That whole committee got started. So we then could go after and quote unquote prosecute those individuals that we feel came against us in the party leadership end of things because we're just now going to go. We're going to be a Democrat and we're going to go now legally attack those we don't agree with.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Let me make this really right. Oh, totally. You are one million percent right. Let me make this super simple because people might be thinking, you know, this is all inside baseball. I don't understand. Let me make it.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's very important, folks, to listen to all of this.
SPEAKER 06 :
This, I'm going to totally simplify it. They spent well over $100,000 to try to stop a vote. Right. Because they had to spend that money, they then sued the people that they sued in the first place. They then sued them to try to get those legal fees back that they had squandered. They squandered the legal fees. All they had to do was hold the vote. OK, let people vote. That's all they had to do. So why did they spend even more money in court going after the coup people, as they want to call them? That was to try to get their money back, get their hundred plus grand back that they chose to spend, that nobody made them spend. What did the courts say? The courts say, no, you're not going to get it back. We're not. We're going to throw this right out of court. Why? Because you have no case. OK, nobody forced you to sue these people. And ultimately, you only sued them to try to stop a vote that the courts have already declared legal.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
You have no case.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
So you folks who are listening out there right now, you Davidians who want to support these people, who want to support Hope Scheppelman and these lunatics, and I will say they are lunatics, okay, you're supporting people who blew through all this money, way over $100,000, to sue and then re-sue a group of people who are found to be in the right by the courts. Yep.
SPEAKER 17 :
I want to add something to what Andy's saying as well, because some of you really, I guess, don't understand the insides of how some of this stuff has been working. And remember, folks, I've been around for the last decade watching from the outside and interviewing a lot of different people over the years, really being involved intimately in that way, where I've had people that I've had in this studio that talk on air, off air, and so on. And here's the reality. You're all being snowed. The majority of you that are in that camp are being snowed. You're being snowed by some real key, quote unquote, leaders, some of them attorneys themselves, by the way, that are literally leading you down a path of destruction all for their own financial, I believe, financial gain at the end of the day. I'll throw the Imers into that. I'll throw the Corporans into that. The reality is there are all sorts of individuals out there that are, quote, unquote, trying to lead the party from within that are literally there for nothing more than financial gain. And you guys are all too stupid to realize it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. These people were lining their pockets while our candidates got no help during the election.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. You guys have been sucked in. You have bought into a bunch of lies that are being perpetrated by the individuals that I just named. And I could name more, by the way, that are in that same camp. I just hit the highlights of it. The reality is you guys are all being led down a path of destruction and you need to jump off as quickly as possible. You do. You do. Literally. You're not helping the party at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, for those who want to say, well, we got some seats back. We finally turned the corner because of their leadership. Folks, this was during the biggest red wave. Of a generation. Yep. Okay? And they underperformed the Trump red wave nationally. They underperformed it by about 60%. They lost 60% of the Trump wave. In a year when Kamala Harris failed to flip a single district in the entire country, we only gained three or four seats at the state level. We failed. They failed. They squandered all this money to protect their own butts. Instead of giving it to our candidates and helping our candidates, they failed you. They robbed you blind by lining the pockets of lawyers who were buddies.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. And guys, again, if you don't believe some of what I'm saying in regards to some of the people that I even just mentioned, go look at the FEC report. Look at where some of the dollars go. Look at the Imers and their so-called PAC that they now want you to donate to instead of donating to the Colorado GOP. And folks, I'm not saying anything that frankly isn't true. You can go look up and back up everything that I'm saying and prove it by just going and looking at the FEC report. I am not slandering anybody. I am not saying anything out of line. I can back it all up. Just go look at the FEC report and some of the newsletters that have gone out by the Eimer PAC and tell me I'm wrong. You're not wrong. It's that simple. Tell me I'm wrong. I'm not wrong. I'm not wrong in anything I'm saying. These are political grifters that are literally trying to suck money out of a lot of you that are listening right now that think you're doing the right thing when it comes to turning Colorado back around. And I'll tell you right now, if you continue down that path, you will do nothing but send Colorado down the path of destruction.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. And how are you going to turn Colorado around with the candidates that that group wanted? You won't. Their candidates were horrible.
SPEAKER 17 :
They're losers. They're losers, Andy. And I'm not saying losers as in they're personally losers. They're losers in the fact that they can't win a campaign because they're not electable.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they're not electable in this market. Their candidates were so bad that for the first time, Democrats in Colorado were literally spending money to help their candidates in our primaries. That's absolutely right. That's absolutely right. Dear Lord. I know. Ron Hanks, was there a hope? She was all over campaigning for Ron Hanks in our primary. Thank almighty God that he lost in our primary.
SPEAKER 17 :
And let me remind all of you, too, that are big Ron Hanks fans. Ron is a traitor to the Colorado GOP.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes!
SPEAKER 17 :
And I mean that in all sincerity, because the last time around when we had Joe O'Day running against Michael Bennett, which, by the way, we had a chance of probably meeting Michael Bennett. But the problem is not that Joe O'Day was perfect. He ran a great campaign. He has his own issues. I'm not saying the guy is an angel by any stretch of the imagination. But when you've got Ron Hanks running around and even switching out of the Republican Party to run against Joe O'Day, he's a traitor. Yeah, plain and simple.
SPEAKER 06 :
He left the Republican Party after losing the primary to Joe O'Day in 2020. Or 2022, I'm sorry. 2022, I believe it was. He left the Republican Party and called on all his supporters to not vote for Joe O'Day. That's right. So he drew voters away from Joe O'Day in the general.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right. So, folks, again, here's the difference between me and a lot of you out there that are listening and or quote-unquote support some of these individuals that we're talking about. You're snowed. I see right through these people. Yeah. I have interviewed a lot of these people. I have the ability to be able to sit here and interview and talk to and have information come my way from a lot of different individuals. And I have a really good memory, by the way, i.e. Ron Hanks a moment ago. I don't forget these things and what he did to us in that particular scenario, literally hurting us and giving the Democrats a landslide victory with, by the way, one of the worst Democrat candidates you could ever imagine in Michael Bennett. Yeah, and we made it easy for him. I'm not exaggerating. That guy can't debate his way out of a wet paper bag.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, the Davidians behind Ron Hanks divided our party to help Bennett.
SPEAKER 17 :
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Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial and the show you love, Retirement Unpacked, is here with me. How are you today, Al? I'm doing great. How are you, TJ? I'm doing great as well. I have a couple questions for you. As a financial advisor, do you also do taxes?
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No, I don't prepare my clients' taxes. I do, however, spend a lot of time talking to them about taxes. To use a sports analogy, tax preparation is like doing a recap of the game. What I do is more like creating a game plan and then following up over time to see how it's working.
SPEAKER 04 :
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Investment advisory services offered through Brookstone Capital Management, LLC. A registered investment advisor. Listen online. KLZradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason. All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. I want to make sure I'm very clear, too, when it comes to Ron Hanks and Joe O'Day.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I've said this a gazillion times.
SPEAKER 17 :
Did I support Joe O'Day running against Michael Bennett after he won the primary? Absolutely, I did. Does that mean that I supported everything Joe O'Day stood for, especially his position on abortion and even some of his economic positions? Of course not, folks. I am a... You know, life begins at conception period. You guys know that's where I stand. Does that mean, though, at the end of the day that I would still vote for Joe O'Day over Michael Bennett, who, by the way, believes in late term abortions and even killing of a baby once it's delivered? I absolutely would take Joe O'Day over Michael Bennett any day of the week.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and Michael Bennett believes in all of that, fully funded with your tax dollars, which, by the way, Joe O'Day opposed.
SPEAKER 17 :
Correct. So, again, did I agree with Joe and his stance on early-term, you know, first-term abortions? I do not. I did not. But would I take Joe O'Day all day long over squishy Michael Bennett and the fact that he's a pure communist Marxist? I would take Joe O'Day all day long over that, absolutely. Is Joe a Marxist communist? No, he is not. Right. So, folks, again, why do you all have such a hard time figuring that out? How is this so difficult for some of you? I'm confused.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. Well, the Davidians will come out and say he's the same as Michael Bennett. They're the same.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, he's not.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then you walk through. I'm serious. And they will do this online. Right. And then I will walk through issue by issue. OK, here's his view. Here's his different, different, different, different. Go through several things. Right. You know what they do? They run. They run. They don't have any answers. They just want to sit back and idiotically say, oh, they're all the same. These you know, he's a rhino. So he's just like a Democrat. No, he isn't.
SPEAKER 17 :
OK. Yeah. No, not not. I mean, no, not hardly. And again, folks, this is this is the thing that, again, Andy and I'll start talking about this as we get further and further down the line. We get into 2026 and we start getting different candidates that are going to be running in the primary and so on, because some of you are asking me, you know, Who am I for right now? Folks, I can't tell you that answer. I have no idea. I don't know who's going to end up coming up as cream of the crop when it comes to the governor's race, when it comes to attorney general, when it comes to the Senate race. I mean, folks, I have no idea at this point in time. It is far too early for me to hitch my wagon behind anybody at this point in time. And I'm also somebody that no matter what, even in the primary side, I don't endorse anybody, folks. You won't find me endorsing any particular candidate heading into a primary because it's not what Andy and I do. No, not going to happen. Won't happen. We don't endorse. Do I like certain individuals whose names have been tossed around and who are now throwing their name in the hat to run, like Greg Lopez, for example? I have a lot of respect for Greg. I like Greg. Is Greg electable? I can't tell you that right now. We're far too out, if you would, in relation to the next election for me to say that right now. I have no idea. I agree. So that's my stake on, you know, who's good in Colorado right now. Folks, I don't know. And I am not the party chair. And I am not privy to some of the things that are being thrown around as far as certain people running for certain seats in relation to what's going to happen the next go around. I'm not that person. So frankly, I don't have to know. And frankly, and I don't want to say that I don't care because I care about winning, but I don't know. So I can't give you specific names because I don't know.
SPEAKER 06 :
Let me say one thing and ask a question. First, I want to say, people, we shouldn't be thinking about which candidates right now. We should be thinking about getting the Colorado Republican Party right. Because right now, our name is mud in Colorado after the last couple years with Dave Williams. Correct. Okay, we are a laughingstock.
SPEAKER 17 :
We've got to build that up first.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Absolutely. He turned us into a complete laughingstock in Colorado.
SPEAKER 17 :
And nationwide, by the way, folks.
SPEAKER 06 :
He literally called on his supporters to burn other people's property. Okay. Pride flags. Yes.
SPEAKER 17 :
Come on. And for some of you listening, you may not know this, but nationally even, that particular leadership got to the point to where even the national, you know, the RNC itself was looking at Colorado like, you know, we want arms length distance from those knuckleheads. We're not getting anywhere as close to that. Totally. Now that is another thing that I believe will change moving forward and needs to, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Here's my quick question, and you'll have just a minute. Go ahead. Okay. If Trump gets a bunch of trade deals, his popularity is going to soar, which means his party's popularity is going to soar, and the Democrats are going to look extremely bad as the economy just starts roaring under his leadership. Is there an opportunity if the Republicans in Colorado get good candidates and rally behind their new leadership? Is there a possibility that we could churn some seeds?
SPEAKER 17 :
I think there's always a possibility, Andy, it comes back down to strategy. Are we running the right person in the right seat, you know, in that right area. And this is where the chairmanship, the chair, vice chair, others, those that are on the executive committee, by the way, need to be really, really sharp in thinking, uh, literally Andy out loud on, okay, if we were to help, you know, cause they don't go out and pick candidates. That's not what that, that role is. But once a candidate gets going, They can decide who are we going to help fund, who are we going to help support, who has the best chance of winning and who doesn't. I know that sounds really, really harsh, but it's reality, folks. There will be some candidates that decide to run for a particular seat here in Colorado whereby they're unelectable. It's not going to happen. God love you. Appreciate you doing it. Appreciate the effort. But the reality is you're not going to win this seat no matter what. Right. Not going to happen. The Democrat, the market is going to elect a Democrat no matter what period. Yes, we need representation from Republicans. Absolutely. But the chances of winning are slim.
SPEAKER 06 :
The big thing is, can we hold on for Gabe Evans in the eighth?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, that's on the national level. I'm talking even more locally.
SPEAKER 06 :
But that's going to happen also.
SPEAKER 17 :
It is. You're exactly right. Now, fortunately, and this is a good thing for Republicans, Andy and I haven't talked much about this, but the way she treats her staff, his counterpart that's going to be running, is it Caraveo? Am I saying that right, Charlie Caraveo?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, she's going to run, I think, against Boebert.
SPEAKER 17 :
She's going to run Boebert. Either way, she's got huge issues the way she's treated staff. So that one probably will be fairly easy to beat. I thought she was going to run against Evans. She did last time. Am I right in that, Charlie? I believe she ran against Evans. Yeah, she ran against Evans.
SPEAKER 06 :
I thought she was calling out Boebert, though. Okay, well, if she's going to run against Evans again. That helps us. It does help.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, absolutely. That helps us. But folks listening, please, these are the strategic things. They jump around. That as a party head, these are the kind of conversations that need to be had. And you sit down with Gabe and say, Gabe, what are we going to be able to do to help you hold on to this seat? Am I right, Andy? Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, he's a hell of a candidate.
SPEAKER 17 :
He's good. And that's what, frankly, the last administration here in Colorado, the last leadership, did not do. No. In fact, it was the opposite of that. So we'll come back. Don't go anywhere, folks. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning up next. Any trouble at all with your air conditioning, give them a call today. Find them at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 17 :
Back to Rush to Reason. All right, and again, folks, I am not chair. I don't have that responsibility. That's not my role. I know some of you would have liked to have had me run and do some things along those lines. That is something that, frankly, I have no desire to do whatsoever. Being GOP chair here in Colorado, I can't think of any more miserable job, Andy, to have, and no, I would not want that. Not right now. Now, I will help. I will help guide. If somebody has any questions, I'm here to help answer some of those questions and so on. I will give input where it's asked. I am not one of those individuals, folks, though. I'll just tell you straight up. I don't go to people and interject and say, you need to be doing this. Andy knows me. Charlie knows me. I don't do things that way at all. If you have a question, I'll answer it. But I am not going to interject any other way because that is not my position to do so.
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No, I agree.
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And I know, Andy, you don't do that either, so neither one of us are those sorts of individuals. We do not do that. We will not play that game, period. All right, another full hour coming your way. We've got a lot more to cover in today's program. Don't go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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All right, happy Tuesday. Welcome, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Andy, welcome.
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I'm doing fantastic, sir. Welcome to you as well.
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It is a beautiful day here in Colorado. And, of course, Charlie Grimes, our engineer today as well. Jordan Newman joining us now, America's Money Answer Man. Jordan, how are you today?
SPEAKER 18 :
Great to be with you, Rose.
SPEAKER 05 :
How is the weather back east?
SPEAKER 18 :
It's nice here. It's... It's about 70 where I am in Raleigh, North Carolina.
SPEAKER 05 :
Beautiful. That's not bad. We're 85, so you're better than we are as far as that goes. All right. Well, let's get right into it. Lots to talk about. Lots of things going on. There's never a dull moment. I mean, there never is, really. I don't think the entire time that we've been talking the, gosh, I don't know how many years now, Jordan. Many, many years now. There's never a dull moment anyway. There's always something going on, especially when it comes to the financial end of things. But talk about the Federal Reserve's decision last week.
SPEAKER 18 :
So they did not change interest rates up or down, which is what people expected. There's just too much... I've never heard Fed Chairman Powell say the word uncertainty as many times as he did on his press conference. On one hand, inflation is coming down to about 2.3% or something like that, and that's considered a positive thing. But on the inflationary front, the tariffs... are coming in from clear how much and when they're going to have too much for you to raise prices but that's clearly coming up who doesn't feel he can lower rates if inflation about to take off because of the tariffs on the other side the unemployment is but four point two percent we actually had a pretty decent number hundred and seventy seven thousand jobs created uh... last month uh... but there are definitely signs of weakness there uh... and and truckers and the all shipping all the people who you know in the ports that are empty now are getting laid off from them definitely signs of weakness in the employment market in various ways but not enough to want them to push interest rates down so their concern is stagflation where the economy slows and there's more inflation which is kind of what happened in the late 70s uh... but i think they feel stuck that they can't raise rates they certainly don't want to raise rates but they don't feel they can lower rates if we have a bout of inflation coming because of the tariffs. And now, since that meeting last week, the tariff situation has completely changed. A week ago, we were at 145% on China, and they were 125% on our goods. Now, as of this weekend, that's down to 10% on American goods from China and 30% on Chinese goods coming here. for 90 days, and then it could happen, it could get better, it could get worse. I mean, there's just an awful lot of uncertainties.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, it's really not that much. That's where I'm disappointed in the Fed. I'm always disappointed in the Fed, because those guys don't live in reality most of the time. And you can see all this coming. We predicted it even on this program, you know, a month or two ago, Jordan, when it was all said and done. China can't afford... What's going on? It's very apparent, meaning that they had no choice but to. OK, people say, well, Trump blinked. Trump didn't blink. This was all part of the plan. And the reality is China needs to be in check, which they're getting more that way right now in regards to tariffs. And China doesn't have a choice. Their people are revolting. They've got panic in the streets. Literally, they didn't have any choice but to do this, which we predicted last time even you and I and Andy talked. I don't understand why the Fed can't see this. And the Fed made a mistake not lowering rates last week.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, it's not only China. I mean, China is obviously their major partner, but we have potentially higher tariffs in 130 countries around the world. I mean, right now we have tariffs of 25% on Canada and Mexico for steel and a little bit of various other things.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which is not doing anything to inflation right now, as we're seeing from the report, so a non-issue.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I wouldn't disagree with that. Car prices, companies are already raising car prices.
SPEAKER 05 :
But as far as core inflation, Jordan, you and I both know that has zero effect on that whatsoever, so that's a non-issue.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, it's going to hit various sectors differently, but overall— Not everybody has to go out and buy a new car tomorrow, so it's a non-issue. Overall, yesterday's inflation figures were very good.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes. I mean, without the tariff threat, inflation is in pretty good check right now.
SPEAKER 05 :
And with oil prices being down, you're going to see things even get cheaper and cheaper. And again, the Fed, and this is my opinion, but, you know, Jordan, going all the way back to COVID, when you and I and Andy were talking about the Fed being late to raise rates, I'm not wrong this time around either, and the Fed is not looking at things correctly because oil prices are coming down, gas prices in turn will come down, meaning a lot of our core goods that we have as Americans will be coming down. The reality is they missed the boat to help jumpstart things real estate-wise heading into the summer by not doing anything last week. And I know those are short-term rates, but they have a direct effect upon the 30-year mortgage.
SPEAKER 18 :
They do. No, mortgage rates are still over 7%. which it's been a terrible real estate selling season in the spring here. It's just been terrible because people can't afford it.
SPEAKER 05 :
You can blame that on the Fed right now, Jordan.
SPEAKER 18 :
And the home prices are up so much, yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, and Jordan, I just got to say it. I think there is every chance that within the next night, and I don't know if it's the 90-day period, they'll do extensions. They don't really care when the deals get done, as long as they're getting done. Everybody's lining up right now to do these deals. They're all very complex. Here's the bottom line. Trump's strategy is winning. It's winning not a little. It's winning majorly because Trump understands that the number one leverage in the entire world is the American consumer.
SPEAKER 05 :
We're the biggest customer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And he is looking at the world and saying, if you want access to the American consumer, you've got to give us better deals. And he's the first president to do it. He's playing the Trump card that was going to win all along, and now it's winning. And the simple fact is this. They are going to deal one by one by one by one by one by one. And the reason this China deal happened is because they, obviously, it's a big deal. It's going to take more time to negotiate.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they're getting hurt more than any other country.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and between Donald Trump and Scott Besant and a couple more of their people, and this Besant is brilliant, between these people, they are right. They are winning. And I'm going to make a prediction right now. Donald Trump is going to go down quite possibly... as the greatest president since Lincoln.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because of all of this?
SPEAKER 08 :
Because of all of this. He is resetting the entire world economic map that was robbing America blind, and he's undoing it. Now, is he going to be able to undo it all? Of course not, but he's going to undo a lot of it. And one by one by one by one, these tariffs are going to come down all around the world because people want that leverage that he's playing that no other president did. I think it's going to be fantastic. I don't see any risk at all in the strategy. Zero. The only risk is, are the American people too stupid to be patient for it?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, yeah, there's short-term pain and long-term gains, supposedly. Right. And a lot of people don't like the short-term pain at all. Nobody does.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, they don't, Jordan. You're right about that. I agree on that.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 05 :
You're correct.
SPEAKER 18 :
And countries like China don't care about the short-term pain. They don't listen to their people.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, they're listening right now. That's why the deal this weekend happened, Jordan. You and I will have to disagree there, because they listened this past week. They have got so much stuff going on right now in regards to their own people. And I agree with you. Normally they don't listen. They did this past weekend.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I was going to say, I agree with Jordan in general. They don't listen to their people. But right now it's not in general.
SPEAKER 1 :
Right.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's right. No, I agree. It was tremendous because all these factories are shutting down and going out of business in China because they're only customers of the U.S., basically. That's right. The shipping traffic has plummeted 50% or more coming into L.A. and Long Beach because the orders just dried up at 145% tariffs. It's an embargo. It doesn't make sense to have trade either direction. And same with us. I mean, our farmers... are having trouble selling soybeans and corn and wheat and so on to China because at 125% tariffs, it makes our agricultural exports uncompetitive. So they go to Argentina and Brazil and Canada and other places as well. It was hurting both sides.
SPEAKER 08 :
In the aftermath, because here's what's going to happen, we're going to have a much more open market into China to sell those goods. How do you think that's going to affect our farmers? How do you think that's going to affect a lot of our industry?
SPEAKER 18 :
When we do get a deal... Well, it depends what... I mean, right now, this 90-day period, China has a 10% tariff on U.S. goods going into China.
SPEAKER 1 :
10%.
SPEAKER 18 :
It had been 125%. So that's a big decrease. But 10% is still way more than it was before. Okay? So... And you know, we were exporting... Billions and billions of... No, no, no, I'm not talking about this.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm talking about in the aftermath of the upcoming deal, because there will be a deal. After they sign a deal, and they really do open up the market into China, because that's what's coming, okay? China's going to lower their tariffs on us overall dramatically. That's coming. It's guaranteed, because we're playing the lead.
SPEAKER 18 :
But there are a lot of non-tariff barriers that they want to get out as well. I'll just give you a few examples, okay? Agreed. Stealing intellectual property. And how do you get the Chinese to agree not to do that? That's a tough one, but hopefully they'll get them to do that. Manipulation of their currency. They keep their currency artificially low, which makes their goods more cheaper than ours. That's something you want to kind of get at. The whole fentanyl thing is still a big issue out there. I mean, part of the tariff was 20% for fentanyl. They have still not... pledged in any substantive way to stop.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, if I read today, they basically say it's our problem, not theirs.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. So that's what I would call a non-tariff barrier as well. And just in general, they cheat and steal. Yeah, they do. You know, how are you going to change the entire culture? So there are non-tariff barriers that are much harder to get rid of than the tariffs.
SPEAKER 05 :
Gotcha. Gotcha. Let's squeeze Bob in before we actually go to break. Bob, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, this quick question for Jordan. I think the Federal Reserve is useless. Right now, they're pegging everything at 4.5%, quarter of a point above, quarter point below. It's not going to make much difference to me, the consumer, or even marginal businesses. Let me give you an example. If I have 20% down in sterling credit, I'm going to get a better rate on a home mortgage or a car loan than somebody that's rotten credit with nothing down. That's one thing. Let the free market decide what the interest rates are. A quarter of a point up and down is not worth arguing over.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, but one thing it does do, and Jordan, you can speak to this, it builds consumer confidence, if you would, at the end of the day. I agree with Bob, Jordan, a quarter point up, down, whatever, really at the end of the day, cost-wise isn't really changing a whole lot, even for the average business person that has a line of credit or whatever. But it's the signal that the Fed sends when they do that. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 18 :
In the last year, the Fed has lowered rates by one full percentage point, which isn't that huge amount, but it is a signaling signal. that they see the economy weakening and they want to support it. Right now, they're signaling by not changing rates one way or the other, they're worried about inflation coming. That's what they're signaling. And that's what the markets are worried about, potentially.
SPEAKER 04 :
The other thing about manipulating tariff rates between countries, the more important thing is the restriction of tariffs. goods going to and from different countries, if you say, well, you know, we'll have zero tariffs, but we won't let your products in, what good are the tariffs?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, that's what I'm saying. These non-tariff barriers are important on both sides. And we have some non-tariff barriers, the Chinese as well, going both directions. If we can get those down, that would be great. We will. On both sides. And it's not only China. China's a big one, but European Union's going to be a tough one. I mean, we'd have 25% tariffs on them now, and they've had very high tariffs and been very protectors for a long time. For them to drop those tariffs would be a major thing. Europe's 27 countries, they've got to agree on that, and that would be a major change for Europe, not to be as protectors. So again, maybe we can do it. But these are not easy negotiations to have in such a short time period.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I agree. I think Europe is actually going to be the most difficult negotiation.
SPEAKER 05 :
And yet, outside of, correct me if I'm wrong, but outside of pharmaceuticals, what do we need from them?
SPEAKER 18 :
We can take a lot of things from them.
SPEAKER 05 :
We take chocolate. You're missing my point. What do we actually need from them, Jordan, outside of pharmaceuticals? Because we don't need chocolate. We don't need their heavy machinery. We don't need their tractors. I mean, we don't need any of that. We like it and we can have it and use it and so on. But do we really have to have it is the question.
SPEAKER 08 :
I get all my wooden shoes from Europe. Andy needs champagne.
SPEAKER 05 :
Are you following me? I mean, again, I look at some of these in that way and I think Trump does as well. At the end of the day, we don't need, outside of pharmaceuticals, anything from them.
SPEAKER 18 :
We make most of our pharmaceuticals here, or actually in China, in many cases, we make pharmaceuticals.
SPEAKER 05 :
We get a little bit out of the EU as well. Again, it's not a ton to your point. Personally, I look at the EU as a big not-a-burger because really I kind of look at it as Canada, and I'm sorry to say that, but Canada, again, needs us more than we need them. We are their only way to actually sell oil when it's all said and done and even exported out of North America. So at the end of the day, Canada needs us more than them. I look at the EU very much the same way. We don't need them.
SPEAKER 18 :
We import hundreds of billions of dollars from Europe.
SPEAKER 05 :
We do, but we don't have to, is my point. We do because we like it. We like the German cars. We like Land Rovers. We like Jaguars. I don't, but some do. I mean, at the end of the day, Jordan, we like those things, but do we have to have them? No, we don't.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, if you raise the price so much, then people will substitute for domestics in many cases. That's the idea.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's the idea. And by the way, I mean, again, as a car guy myself, I'll just tell you straight up that we've also got this fantasy going on here in America that European cars are somehow better than anything else on our soil. And nothing, nothing, nothing could be farther from the truth.
SPEAKER 18 :
I mean, a lot of the European cars are made in America now. BMW is made in South Carolina. Yes. Mercedes in Alabama. That's correct. So a lot of these European plates are now made here, and they're just as good.
SPEAKER 08 :
Really quick here, Jordan, before you run on from that, how does that work on the tariffs? Okay, you've got a car. Part of it's made here. Part of it's made there. It's assembled here. How does that all work?
SPEAKER 18 :
The way it works, as I understand it, is they have to – figure out how much of the cars coming in from the parts and so on comes in. So each car will have a different tariff. That's right. Because it depends, I guess, on the percentage of whether that, you know. This car is 57% American parts or something, or 23%.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's right. And that, by law, has to be on the Monroney, on the window sticker of each car, telling you exactly how much of that car is made here in America versus someplace else.
SPEAKER 18 :
So it's going to affect the price car by car.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 18 :
Or model by model.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's exactly right. You are correct in that, Jordan. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 18 :
It's very complicated.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Jordan Goodman, America's Money Answer Man. Jordan, before we get going, how do folks find you?
SPEAKER 18 :
My email is jordan at moneyanswers.com. Always glad to take emails from your listeners.
SPEAKER 05 :
Appreciate it. Okay, really quick before we get back into even maybe a little bit of tariff talk, Andy wanted to talk about Canada for a moment as I was sort of talking about them. a little earlier. Let's do talk about oil prices for a moment because that does come into play when it comes to what's going on with Canada and so on. There are rumors out there, even not this past Sunday, Mother's Day, but the previous Sunday, that, oh gosh, what OPEC did, it's going to crash the markets. Nobody's going to be able to recover from that. Oil executives are all going to be looking for a job on Monday morning. Of course, Jordan, none of that happened because 400,000 barrels a day from OPEC, frankly, isn't changing the marketplace hardly at all when we as a country are use 20 million barrels a day 400k just frankly doesn't do anything when it's all said and done but our prices did fall to about 58 something like that they've come back into the mid 60s now but it did fall pretty precipitously when opex because they're buying off futures and so on and that's what you know the problem is some of these guys frankly jordan i hate to say this and i know these guys are traders and they supposedly are mathematicians and so on but Did they not give the formula that I just gave a moment ago? I mean, did they not think through that? Wait a minute. Just as a country alone, we as Americans use 20 million barrels a day. That's not worldwide. That's just here. And yeah, OPEC may raise things up 400 K a day. But at the end of the day, that's sorry, that's not a pimple. It's not much, but a lot of OPEC countries cheat. They do, and that's partially what they're trying to get under control. I understand that. Yes, they do cheat. They pump more than what they're supposed to be, and that's part of what they were trying to do with all of this. But, again, people need to realize.
SPEAKER 18 :
The reason that oil prices fell so much down to 58 or so was the feeling that the trade war was going to get out of control and really hurt economic activity. I mean, all these ships that used to be coming from China to Los Angeles aren't coming anymore. They're not using oil. So if you have an economic slowdown, you lose, use less oil. That's one of the reasons why OPEC raising production by a small amount was on top of that. Normally, when prices are falling, you think of OPEC cutting production to support the price, but that's not what they did in this case. It's more of a signaling mechanism. But on top of the official $400,000, the cheating done by Nigeria and Iraq and Libya and, you know, all these different places.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's about a couple million barrels a day, roughly.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, there's more than that. That's where it came from. That's good for consumers. We're seeing prices of the pump falling now. It's obviously good for airlines and cruise lines and truckers and all the people that use a lot of fuel. In theory, that could be passed through to consumers in the form of lower prices for goods delivered by trucks, things like that. Mm-hmm. And we are producing more oil now at 58 or thereabouts. A lot of American wells don't make sense. They're not profitable at that level. So you're not going to see this surge of new wells, as President Trump would like, drill, baby, drill, because it's going to be profitable for them. And you do these shale wells and these It's very costly. It takes a long time. And I would say 65 to 70 is where it makes sense. If they think it's going to be in the 50s, those wells will never get drilled. Now, they're getting more production out of existing wells with new technologies, but they're just not going to be a wild... drilling new wells at these price levels.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the directional drilling that they do here in America, though, is much more expensive than they would do in the Middle East, and that's the big key. We need oil at $70, okay? Otherwise, we are not making the profit margin that they can make in the Middle East. I mean, obviously, we're not going to make their profit margin anyway. Right. But it's just not enough of a profit margin. These people who want $55 oil don't understand what it's doing to the industry here in America. My biggest concern, though, for the price of oil, because I want it to go up. I want the price of oil to get up to $70 for American oil producers. And my biggest concern is demand in China and India. We need to get those economies up and running again. This is why it's so important, and I think I'm so happy that Trump has basically got China and India as two of the countries who are near the front of the line.
SPEAKER 18 :
India, they're definitely doing a lot of talks with India, which would be great, because India is growing well as a democracy, and they need a lot of our stuff. And we buy a lot of stuff from them, because there's cheaper textiles and all kinds of things. Yeah. That would be great to have India as well. And then I think others will follow. South Korea, I think, could be next. Japan, apparently, we're making some good progress. I think the last one that's going to be hardest, as we said before, is the European Union, which is not one. It is one block, but it's 27 different opinions as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's what makes it hard. That's why I said that was going to be the most difficult one. Can I talk Canada for a moment? Sure, go ahead. I think Trump wants to burn Canada to the ground. OK, and this is and I mean this, OK, because he made it very clear when he had their joint, you know, get together with their new prime minister. He said everything very nicely. But the things he was saying were very blunt. We don't need you in any way, shape or form. And here's here's what I think is really going on here, Jordan. Once before Trump was entered in as the focal point of the Canadian election, the conservatives were ahead by 25 points in all the polls. They were going. Trump won that election for the left in Canada.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
That was Trump. By inserting himself and by talking about 51st State and by doing the tariffs. But I think it was the 51st State that really rankled them and all this kind of stuff. And by the way, as you know, I'm a Trump mega fan, okay? But I feel that he... very much caused the Canadian election. And now he's looking at it like this. They literally moved 30 points to the left, which in a couple months, which by the way is impossible. Okay. That I have literally never seen that happen anywhere in my entire life ever. OK, a country to move about 30 points one way or the other in a couple of months and vote. They voted in. They were absolutely determined to get new conservative leadership because the liberals had driven that country into the ditch. And they literally rechose the side that drove them into the ditch just out of hatred for Donald Trump. Now, Donald Trump is looking at them and I think he's saying this. I want to see riots in the streets there like we were seeing in China in China before I'm going to deal with you. I want a lot of you to because you guys do not understand how much you need us. And I want to see your industries closing down before I'm really going to deal with you. I don't think they're at the front of the list is what I'm saying.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Jordan, I have to agree with Andy on this one because I really feel like a lot of Canadians, especially A, they got really thin skin. B, they get all upset over what happens down here, even though it's not necessarily a direct, how should I say, a direct attack on them in any way, shape or form. We're just Americans trying to do what's best for America, not what's best for Canada. They are a quote unquote, you know, sister country, but it's not America. It's not the United States of America that is up above us. And so the reality is they get really... You know, pardon the language here. Do they get butthurt for no reason at all? And I agree with Andy. I think Trump's looking at that saying, you know what? You think you were hurt before? Wait till now.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I mean, one of the reasons that the left one is that they threw out Pierre Trudeau, Justin Trudeau, who was extremely unpopular and brought in Mark Kearney. who is a much more establishment figure and the head of the Bank of England, Bank of Canada. True. I think if it was Trudeau, it might not have won because he's hated so much. But they put a new lipstick on the pig, I guess you might say. That's all they did.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, they did what the Democrats tried to do, you know, dumping Biden and going to Kamala. But the big difference was this. Here in America, Trump and the America First message was surging. In Canada, it was hated. I mean, just putting a different liberal at the top is not going to move the polls 30 points. That happened because of Trump, didn't it, Jordan?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes. I mean, Trudeau realized he couldn't win, and he was incredibly unpopular.
SPEAKER 06 :
True.
SPEAKER 18 :
And Carney kind of came out of the woodwork. He has not been a politician. He's been a banker. He's not even a Canadian. And they found somebody, you know, reputable to bring in. And he kind of pulled it off. They put him in, and then he called a snap election.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, he's Canadian, but you know what I mean by that, Jordan. He's not a true Canadian in the sense of living there, growing up there, and so on. He's got, what, triple citizenship, I believe?
SPEAKER 18 :
Right, right. But he's prime minister of Canada now, so he's a pretty big Canadian, I would say.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, he is now, but I mean, my point is, it's weird to have somebody elected that way that frankly isn't a, you know, quote-unquote native-born Canadian that really has died in the wool there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, he's an environmentalist nut who is going to wreck their economy if America doesn't save it. And I don't know. I mean, what are they going to do? Divert and sell more oil to China? I mean, what are they going to do? They can't. Well, I didn't say they could. I mean, obviously, they don't have the pipeline. They'd have to ship it. It'd be incredibly expensive. I don't know what their options are is what I'm saying.
SPEAKER 05 :
They have none.
SPEAKER 08 :
Jordan?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. Well, I mean, they're talking about Europe. But you're right. I mean, we are their biggest exporter today, export to us. And we are their biggest customer. It goes both ways. They're huge trading partners between the two of them. And the amount is relatively balanced. I mean, Canada has slightly more exports to us in goods, but we have a lot more exports to them in services. So it's relatively balanced. It's not like China, where they... sell $450 billion to us, we sell $150 billion to them. That's way out of balance.
SPEAKER 08 :
What is going to happen to their industries as we cut them off?
SPEAKER 18 :
They're going to have a hard time. I mean, the big ones would be lumber, oil, all the tar sands and all those things. All kinds of natural resources, basically, is what they've got. And we are the largest market for them. Now, we're not cutting them off. we're increasing tariffs, like steel and aluminum are big in Canada.
SPEAKER 05 :
You heard Trump in his conversation the other day with their prime minister basically saying, and I'm glad he did, we want to get to the point where, frankly, we don't need your stuff. We don't need, I mean, if we want to buy it, that's one thing, but we don't need your steel, we don't need your aluminum. We want to be self-sufficient. I appreciate Trump saying that. We don't need them, and I don't want to need them. Yeah, he said, we don't need your trees, we don't need your oil. We don't need anything you have, so be thankful we're buying it is my point. Jordan, what I want from some of these countries is a big, fat thank you for being our biggest customer. We haven't had that, to Andy's point earlier, we haven't had that in decades. In its high time, we started getting a thank you.
SPEAKER 18 :
I think it would be nice. I mean, as far as steel and aluminum, I don't think there's a lot of places in America that would like to have a steel or aluminum plant. They're very, very polluting, and I don't think a lot of people would like to have more steel and aluminum plants in America. As many jobs as it would create, they'd rather keep the pollution in Canada to some extent.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, all the greenies that are so green would rather just have it in somebody else's backyard instead of your own. Typical hypocrites.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's exactly right. So we'll see. I mean, I hope that we get to the same thing. Now, they didn't come to any agreement when Mark Carney met with Trump last week. Oh, no, no, no. They didn't come to any agreement. Basically, you know, he kept saying Canada's not for sale, and Trump said never say never, and he said never. So that's kind of where they went with it. But they had a chance to make a deal and cut tariffs both directions, but they did not do so. So that's going to be another tough one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Honestly, Jordan, I think they're at the back of the line. And they could surprise me. I mean, Trump, you never know the speed of Trump. It could be next week that we have a Canadian deal. I just don't see it.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think that's in the Canadian. I think what Trump has done, in my opinion, and I wasn't in the conversations, but my gut feeling is Trump laid everything out and basically said, call me when you're ready. And other than that, yeah, they're not at the top of the list. When you're ready to grovel. Yeah, when you're ready and you want to say thank you for us being your largest customer and helping you actually get your oil to the world market, we'll talk then. How's that sound?
SPEAKER 18 :
And by the way, I would have said the same thing. They call it elbows up. That's the big thing in Canada now. They're all becoming hockey players.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, well, when it starts affecting their pocketbook, they'll be elbows clapped together begging for mercy.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'll be honest. I really, Jordan, I have personal angst at Canada right now because I'm sorry. When you are prepared to throw out the party that has wrecked your country for the last several years, and it wasn't just they didn't like the prime minister, they didn't like everything his party was doing. And you are all in agreement that they have been wrecking you. And then all because you're angry at some American president, you decide to put them back in power. That is such colossal stupidity. They deserve to suffer.
SPEAKER 18 :
And it gave them a bigger majority than before, actually. It was a landslide, really. All right, let's take a break.
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. Jordan Goodman, America's Money Answer Man, with us today. Jordan, again, how do folks get a hold of you?
SPEAKER 18 :
Jordan at MoneyAnswers.com is my email.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, let's talk pharmaceuticals for a moment. Trump signed an executive order effectively trying to lower rates. The drug companies, of course, aren't happy, which I'm not really sure that I understand why, because really this executive order has more to do with PBMs than it actually does the pharmaceutical companies themselves, other than... Trump is trying to make the playing field level again because his feeling, along with mine, is a lot of other countries get much better deals on pharmaceuticals because they can make up for that loss by charging the Americans more money than they need to. Trump, again, wants that leveled.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's correct. So what he's proposing is drug prices going down as much as 80 percent, sometimes 50, but major, major reductions in drug prices to bring them down to the same level as the so-called preferred nations, that kind of thing. uh... the other industrialization now that's good that that that that the problem is research and development it takes a lot millions and millions of dollars to develop new drugs right and many of them don't work many of them fail in clinical trial I think of the drug industry like the movie business. There are a few blockbusters and a lot of movies that produce very little revenue. And you have to subsidize the losers with the occasional big winners. Except with drugs, it takes years and millions of dollars you don't know up front. If it's going to work or not.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but we've been paying for all that, Jordan. I mean, that's been paid for by the American consumer almost solely. And I wanted to ask you this, Jordan. Can you think of another product that is handled that way internationally where the American public has to pay many, many times more for the same product as they do elsewhere? Because we're America. Also, we can fund all the R&D for the whole world.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's exactly what we're doing. That is correct. Obviously, the drug industry has an incredibly powerful lobby that's kept it that way. Another one that comes to mind, Andy, is sugar. We have quotas on sugar, and our prices for sugar are artificially high. If we lowered our prices, we could bring in all kinds of sugar from Brazil and other places and cut the price of sugar for Americans. That's another one that comes to mind. But on this thing, if we make the choice... That means that a lot of drug companies will drop or dramatically reduce their research and development. So drugs for cancer and Alzheimer's and all kinds of other things just will never happen because they're not going to put the money in to do the research and development, take that risk if they're not going to get a high return. The current system is we pay a lot for the drugs. That money goes into research and development and profits of the drug companies. They produce drugs. they have a seventeen-year patent on the map to that goes to that when most drugs that people take a generic spike dramatically my money to go home are generic so a lot of people are not paying very high drug prices uh... you know medicare is now negotiating for drug prices so we'll see but you are exactly right americans are paying higher for drug prices which is sometimes the rest of world which gets the benefit of drugs at work without having to pay for research about it
SPEAKER 08 :
I got generic brain surgery. Didn't go well. No? Yeah. Well, I mean, what they're going to do, and by the way, just so you know, RFK, I'm sure, will soon ban sugar altogether, so we won't have to worry about that. I see. Yeah, that ain't going to happen. Obviously, it's not like the lowest price that's being paid right now for a drug overseas is what we're going to get. What they're going to have to do is raise what they charge overseas to offset because you still need the money for the R&D because R&D is incredibly high risk.
SPEAKER 18 :
The other countries are not going to raise their prices. They have to sell them. And the R&D is going to get cut out.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, they can't do that. I mean, you have to have the R&D or you're not going to have the drugs. So, I mean, I'm not saying they're going to raise it up to where we are, but I mean, they've got to raise it a little.
SPEAKER 05 :
point you know where's the pain point for you know another country pick one i don't care who it is you know what what point in time does that other country decide yeah we're socialized that we get it socialized medicine we have set prices and so on but at what point you know what pain point do they have to where you know drug abc all of a sudden goes up 15 they're not going to want their prices going up at all okay yeah well you know what yeah too bad people on ice water too but that ain't happening
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. I mean, they're used to having a free ride on our R&D, and they like it that way. Yeah, and maybe it's time to stop that is my point.
SPEAKER 08 :
I want my wife to always agree with me, Jordan. Yeah, it ain't going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
I can whine all I want. I meant what I said a moment ago, Jordan. I mean, you know, people in hell want ice water, but it ain't happening. So the reality is just because they want it doesn't necessarily mean that's what's going to happen at the end of the day. Tough noogies.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, well, we'll see.
SPEAKER 05 :
My guess is... Germany, Switzerland, all these socialized medicine countries, okay, well, you know, buck up, pal. The American consumer, once again, I go back to what I've been talking about pretty much this theme of our whole conversation today. I want a thank you from all of these other countries for what we've been able to do for them instead of getting poked in the eye all the time by them.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, I don't think that the average German consumer, forget about their government knows, but I mean, Jordan, the consumer, the consumer in Spain, the consumer in another country. I don't think they understand to what degree the American public is subsidizing the R&D for the drugs they enjoy.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, you're right. I mean, there are some dramatic cases in Canada and Mexico, for example. People go across the border. all the time to get the same drug from Canada and Mexico at whatever, 50% or more cheaper. So people are very clear that there's a huge drug price. There's all these online Canadian drug operations that get the same drug from Canada all the time. People in America certainly understand it. But I think you're right. In Europe and so they don't realize how subsidized and benefits they have. They have very few. They have some. Novo Nordisk is an example. There are some big drug companies in Europe, but nothing close to the innovation we have here, because we have a lot more money to pour into R&D, which takes a long time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Let me back up, though, for a moment. Do we? We're a country that is so far in debt, Jordan. You and I talk about this pretty continually. I mean, yeah, we talk about that we're a country that has a lot of money and a lot of resources, and we do, but we're getting close to, we're just shy of $37 trillion in debt. That doesn't even include the unfunded liability side of things.
SPEAKER 18 :
right well i'm a drug companies for the most part of quite profitable and uh... their stocks have done very well and they've got the money under the current pricing structure to research darty in addition to help from federal government and i a tion all these agencies which are being cut to the boat i mean we're going to have less drug development this country because we're getting less federal grants for an age universities and that these prices go down the drug companies are going to cut back on r&d dramatically it's just If they're getting 80% less for drugs, They're not going to keep doing what they've been doing.
SPEAKER 05 :
Let me throw this at you, and I don't know this. I have not done any studying. I've got some folks that probably would that I could potentially talk to. But the other question I've always got when it comes to some of this R&D is, you know, do we have also some R&D where, you know, we're throwing everything at the wall trying to see exactly what sticks versus being more calculated with certain things that we're doing in regards to making new drugs?
SPEAKER 18 :
I mean, cancer and Alzheimer's would be two areas that we're putting billions to try to get it. And we've come close with Alzheimer's. We haven't got it completely. We're making progress. And cancer, obviously, has been tremendous progress. It's not solved, but we've made a lot of progress on cancer. Those are the two areas we've put billions and billions in to try to solve those two. And yet haven't. Not fully. We've made a lot of progress with cancer, but it's not fully done. I'm sure it's very complex. And Alzheimer's, we've had a lot of spectacular failures.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, no, you are right. Okay, before we let you go, talk to us about the chaos at the airports. I hadn't heard this, by the way, and I travel quite a bit, but I hadn't heard about some of the chaos over the whole Real ID end of things. I thought that was going to be a nothing burger. I have not seen anything about that.
SPEAKER 18 :
So you can't board an airplane now without having a real ID, which is this kind of red star on your driver's license. And about 80% of Americans have it, but 20% don't. And there have been enormous lines around the block and all the DMVs around the world trying to get this thing. People spend the entire day waiting to get the stupid red star. It was very badly handled. You still can get on an airplane if you have a valid passport. It has to be up to date. Right. But most people use driver's licenses, and it was just handled very badly.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, but really, really quick. Maybe, and I'm, okay, not, I'm just trying to be devil's advocate. How is it handled wrongly when we have known now for the past how many years that it's coming? Even this past year, we knew that this deadline was coming. If you're somebody that didn't get real ID on your license... How is that anybody's fault but your own, because you were a knucklehead and didn't get it done?
SPEAKER 18 :
This is what Americans do. They delay it to the last possible second. And blame it on somebody else. I mean, maybe there wasn't enough publicity, or people just didn't get around to it. But that's the reality of the situation, is that people waited to the last minute. The DMVs got completely overwhelmed by this. And then a lot of people would wait all day, and they'd get to the counter, and they didn't have what they needed, certain... You have to have like two utility bills to show your address. maybe a passport or a birth certificate or something like that. People would wait all day and then get turned away so they still didn't have enough identification to make it work. It's been a mess.
SPEAKER 05 :
I am astounded by that because to me that seems very elementary. I mean, it's like, okay, you've known this is coming. You knew what was required. You can go online and look all of this up. And again, I go back to the whole, you know, is air travel a must? No, it is not a must. It is still, in my opinion, in a lot of cases, a luxury to hop on an airplane. So at the end of the day, this is nobody's fault but your own for not getting your own ID handled or having a passport, one of the two. How hard is this?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, it would have been nice if people could have done it online, but that was – you had to go in person.
SPEAKER 05 :
You had to show this very – Well, see, and again, that's a state-by-state thing because here in Colorado, it is that way. You can do it online.
SPEAKER 18 :
You can get it online? Well, that's good. Well, you probably haven't had the problem a lot of other states have.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, in fact, I've had real ID, Jordan, now for many years.
SPEAKER 18 :
Uh-huh. Well, you're the responsible type, but there's a lot of Americans that are not.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, they still don't let John on any planes, but there are other reasons.
SPEAKER 05 :
Probably on the watch list or something. No, just kidding. I can get on no problem. And again, Jordan, at the end of the day, I mean, I guess I get confused. I mean, having a passport is also not that big of a deal. Yeah, there's some hooch you have to jump through to actually get a passport. But once again, if you travel at all, how hard is it to get that done? I mean, at the end of the day, I looked at this as a not a burger, but I guess it's a bigger deal than I thought.
SPEAKER 18 :
And this is happening at the same time that there's 3,000 job openings amongst air traffic controls. We're 3,000 short. And some copper wire... shorted out the entire Newark air traffic control system. They were completely blind for like two minutes. And that happened again several times. It's been a mess. So they have to redo the entire air traffic control system. It's not going to be instant. It's not going to be cheap.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no, it's not. No, and by the way, long overdue. That thing, I've talked to different people in that industry over the years, and that thing is so far overdue it's ridiculous.
SPEAKER 18 :
It is ridiculous. Apparently they started it a few years ago and it didn't really work, and they're just going to have to start from scratch. You got it. And meanwhile, I hope we don't have more crashes. We had one in Washington in January because of this, and we've had apparently quite a few near misses. So it's really scary.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. How do folks get a hold of you again, Jordan?
SPEAKER 18 :
They can always email me, jordan at moneyanswers.com.
SPEAKER 05 :
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All right, question of the day yesterday. What programming language is known for its snake mascot? That would be Python, and that is one of the few questions of the day. I actually knew that Charlie did not. I said that yesterday. Today's impossible question. This one comes from Jersey Joe. There are an estimated 7 billion people on this planet. What is the estimated ant population? So there's an estimated 7 billion people on this planet. What is the estimated ant population? I have no idea, Andy, how they would even estimate that. How do you know how many ants there are?
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I'll start counting tomorrow, I promise.
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Okay, I'll get on that. Get on those hands and knees and let's go. Yeah, I'll get back to you. Get that magnifying glass actually.
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I mean, you hit me with this. You broadsided me with this.
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I knew we'd have to get ready for days like this, but my gosh. You want to go down the list from the weekend, from the time we left you on Monday? Holy smokes. I mean, it is absolutely stunning. Started out very negatively with a bunch of Democrats storming an ICE facility in New Jersey. And my gosh, arrests ought to be forthcoming, right? No one's above the law, right? You don't mind about those January Sixers rotting in jail? And a lot of them did a lot less. than some of these prominent Democrats. But let me just get you caught up. If you're just tuning in, maybe you were sleeping all weekend, took the kids to the movies, put your feet up. Let me go through the list for you, shall I? Let's see. Trump announced a trade deal with China, brokered an in-person meeting between Ukraine and Russia, helped stop a potential war between Pakistan and India, Announced an end to big pharma, U.S. profiteering with an executive order that's going to dramatically slash prescription drug prices. Oh, and just for good measure, got the final American hostage released by Hamas. What are they going to bitch about now? What are they going to complain about now? You mad about lower drug prices, Democrats? That's terrible. Wait a minute. What about the plane? What about the plane? The plane. Cutter's giving the government a plane. A 747. What about that plane? Bunch of boneheaded so-called conservatives with their panties in a wad over Qatar giving us one aircraft, a 747. That's corruption. Eric Erickson and Jonah Goldberg are in a snit. They can't believe it. This is corrupt. There's a plane from Qatar. Meanwhile... Don't look now. But we've got, like, world peace coming. We've got an end to the war in the Middle East, perhaps. We've got seniors getting dramatic relief from prescription drug prices. Trump releasing the stranglehold that big pharma has on millions of Americans. What about the plane? The plane's too expensive. This is terrible. We can't trust Qatar. I always thought it was Qatar, but I think the proper pronunciation is Qatar. Isn't this glorious to watch? 90-day pause with China. Tariffs are being slashed by 115%. You want to know why the United States is reaching a trade agreement with China, which is why the stock market, incidentally, oh my gosh, just Dow futures soaring. It's going to be a wild day on the market. All for the good. All to the good, right? But you want to know why we're getting a trade deal done now? Well, it's because it couldn't get done with Biden. And Scott Besson, the Treasury Secretary, explains why. This is, I mean, it's incredible. You want to see the difference between night and day? Look at the difference between the Trump administration and the Biden administration, as Scott Besson explained moments ago.
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What has to happen is it has to be fair for the American people. But in January 2020, President Trump produced a template. We had an excellent trade agreement with China and the Biden administration chose not to enforce it. The Chinese delegation basically told us that once we President Biden came into office. They just ignored their obligations. So we all already have a large framework. The other thing to remember here, Jonathan, is that this is a pause down to 10 percent. The April 2nd level for China is 34 percent. So we will be working to see where their final reciprocal number ends up. And the negotiations are a combination of tariffs, non-tariff trade barriers, currency manipulation and subsidies of labor and capital.
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Let that sink in. The Chinese Communist Party knew that Joe Biden was weak and feeble and frail and incapable, and they didn't care. They didn't care, but they care about this guy. They care about the new sheriff in town. It is an absolute golden era. And I am at a point right now where I'm inclined to just completely ignore the noise from his critics. They've got, what are they going to, again, what do they complain about? You don't want peace in the Middle East? You don't want the American hostage coming home? If Biden secured the release of the American hostage, this young guy, they'd be planning the ticker tape parades already. They'd be already having a big, they'd be celebrating morning, noon, and night. Edan Alexander is to be released today. Thank you, President Trump. Thank you. Seniors are about to pay a lot less for prescription drugs. Thank you, President Trump. Thank you. You're trying to broker a deal between Ukraine and Russia in that horrific loss of life and that catastrophic mess. Thank you, President Trump. Thank you. You're considering eliminating property taxes. That's on the state level, but don't think it isn't coming... with the sort of renewed sense of optimism about the Trump administration. How ridiculous that you own a house or an apartment, a condo, free and clear, and you've got to keep paying the government for the rest of your entire family's existence. How stupid. Property taxes, a perfect example of the inequitable, ridiculous tax system we have in America. So now, perhaps, we're seeing... A revolution of common sense on that topic as well. Thank you, President Trump. And Democrats continuing to take the bait. Matt Vespa over at Town Hall reports how Jonathan Karl thought he had a big scoop. Here's the scoop. Cutter is gifting a $400 million plane to Donald Trump. That's terrible. It's horrible. Turns out it isn't like that at all. They're taking a refurbished plane, and the two countries came to some agreement, and the Defense Department is getting a gift of 747 aircraft to replace the 40-year-old Air Force One. It's very public, very transparent, and they're losing their minds over that. Some of them are so goofy, they're so unhinged, they're suggesting that the China tariff agreement is a distraction so people don't pay attention to the corruption of Cutter's gift of the 747. That's how broken they are. You realize they got nothing. They've got absolutely nothing. And what we've got is momentum and confidence, excitement, exhilaration, a golden era. 1-800-655-MIKE. I want to talk to fellow Americans today who are basking in the glow of this optimistic chapter that is beginning for the United States of America. And they don't like it. They won't admit it, but it's benefiting them, too. At the end of the day, Democrats benefit from lower prescription drug prices, too. Democrats benefit from ending a trade war with China and slashing tariffs. Democrats benefit from all the things that the rest of us benefit from. They're just too blinded by their Trump hatred to admit it. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. I hope you join us. We have two open lines. Let's put your voice front and center because on this caller-driven show, I always love to celebrate with you. We have a lot of things to celebrate. We've been having a lot of things to celebrate already in 2025. It feels like we're just getting started. What a way. to start a week, huh? 800-655-MIKE. I want to introduce you to a true leader in tax and financial strategy, a guy that I've been dealing with very closely. My CPA is now Dean Owen. Look, I had one of the big firms for many years, and I was just a number. I was just a cog in the wheel. Well, Dean Owen and his team at MDOwenCPA.com has been ranked among the nation's top 150 CPA financial advisors for the last three consecutive years. 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It's really a whirlwind of winning, isn't it? I mean, my goodness, 90-day U.S.-China tariff pause. U.S. tariffs on China, 30%. China tariffs on the United States, 10%. It's what's called the art of the deal. Do you ever get tired of the Democrats rooting against America? Do you ever get tired of that? Do you ever just get weary of watching the Trump hatred lead to the hatred of the United States? Do they have any interest in making America better? I mean, I've got to call her Katie from Connecticut who wants to tackle that. And I ask you the same question. Do the Trump haters have any desire at all for this country better? They hate everything about the Trump agenda, including its entire history. slogan, mantra, make America great again? It seems to me that the answer is obvious. They don't think you can make America great again because they don't think America was ever great. They loathe this country. How could you not be cheering for seniors who are going to pay lower drug prices? How could you not be prayerfully grateful that the American hostage is coming home from From Gaza. How could you not be ecstatic at the stock market soaring today? How could you not be euphoric over peace between India and Pakistan? How could you not be grateful that Zelensky is going to sit down with Putin? All of the United States urging, Trump's in the middle of all of this. Our country is brokering greatness. Not only from within our borders, but beyond. So my advice, you've got to ignore the noise. You have to. Because you'll go crazy if you don't. And let me ask you that honest question. Do you think the Democrats and the Trump haters have any interest in improving this country? Yes or no? 800-655-MIKE. Look, he's their president. They're stuck with him for three and a half more years. Republicans are in charge in Washington. Do you think they have any interest in making this country better? Let's ask that of Katie in Connecticut. Hey, Katie, welcome back. How are you?
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I'm doing well, Mike. Thank you. Good. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head with that. They have no interest. In fact, I think that their purpose is to systematically destroy this country because the oligarchs at the top who actually control the strings of our democracy, their agendas have been usurped by the Trump movement.
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You mentioned that we're the oligarchy. Here's Bernie Sanders on a Stop the Oligarchy tour. He's one of the oligarchs.
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Yes, 100%.
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I mean, we have a terrible connection, Katie. I'm sorry. It sounds like you're on a speaker or something, but appreciate the call very much. Lee in Rockville, Maryland. Lee, how are you?
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I'm doing fine, Mike, and I'm enjoying the show.
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Good, good. I'm glad to hear that. Well, what's not to enjoy these days, right?
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I listen to you every day.
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Thank you, Lee. Appreciate that very much.
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I listen to you every single day, and I enjoy your show.
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Thank you very much. Well, you're very kind. We appreciate your kind words, and we appreciate you chiming in. 800-655-MIKE. Gosh, it's unbelievable. To me, what's incredible is we're sort of numb at all this good news hitting us like drinking out of a fire hose. We'll take you back to the White House, get some more from President Trump's announcement, along with RFK Jr., the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Maha, making you feel great, be great. How about Relief Factor, getting you out of pain? The Relief Factor way, 100% drug-free Relief Factor. You know, we start every day, we say we're in the Relief Factor studios because we believe in this product. I believe in it because I know what it did for me. Lower back pain, for me, gone. Two and a half weeks it took. I woke up one morning after taking Relief Factor regularly every day, and I realized, holy cow, my back pain has been eliminated. If you're living with aches and pains, let's see if we can get you out of pain with the 3-Week Quick Start. It's the low-cost way for you to take it out for a test drive. Their 3-Week Quick Start is only $19.95. In a few weeks, maybe even a few days, feel the difference Relief Factor can make. You don't have to be stuck living with the pain. Visit relieffactor.com to start your journey. relieffactor.com or call 800-4-RELIEF. 800-4-RELIEF. That's 1-800-4-RELIEF. For the one, the only, Relief Factor. 100% drug-free pain relief. The Relief Factor way. Feel the difference. Mike Gallagher.
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The greatest irony, of course, is to hear her counsel and her spokesperson say, you know, this is just wrong because Trump campaigned on moving against his enemies. Having those words come out of the mouths of James Staff really is breathtaking. She campaigned on a promise to bag Donald Trump on something. She didn't even bother to name what it was.
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I honestly sit here and wonder how Democrats could be upset about Hamas freeing the last living American hostage. What do they have to complain about today? I love the naysayers who are so miserable and unhappy and they cling to whatever they've got. You know what they've got? January 6th. If January 6th didn't happen, I mean, they'd find something else. Look at this text I got from Greenville, South Carolina. I had rather not be on the side of the ones who stormed our Capitol on January 6th and destroyed it. They are the idiots of America. You want to talk about idiocy? Idiocy is you clinging to a thousand people on that fateful day. As if that's Pearl Harbor meets Iwo Jima meets Hiroshima meets the bubonic plague meets the Hindenburg blowing up. I mean, the idiots are the ones who think that our entire side is defined by those few hundred people on January 6th. while looking the other way over the thousands of people who burned down cities, blocks and blocks of city blocks after George Floyd, or who Friday stormed the ICE facility. There are people that went to jail for January 6th that did a heck of a lot less than what those clowns did to law enforcement on Friday in New Jersey. Have you seen the video of the grandstanders? Deciding to storm the ICE facility? What, because you want to release violent criminals? You understand, think about why they're storming the ICE facility. Because they are demanding the release of MS-13 gang members and others who have done so much harm to this country. That's the side, Greenville, South Carolina, that you're on. You're on the side of a party opposing lowering prescription prices for seniors. You're on the side that doesn't want a trade agreement with China. You're on the side that wants open borders. You're on the side of Democrats who want to free violent criminal illegals. So you be comfortable with that. You settle in. And you keep squawking about January 6th. Because it's all you've got. It's all you've got. It's astounding to me. And this is a president who doesn't roll over. The days of watching presidents try to play footsie with people like ABC News are gone. Check out Trump sparring with an ABC reporter over this plane all weekend. Oh, he's getting a plane! The Flying Palace! ABC's Jonathan Karl had a breathless scoop. And, of course, it turns out that isn't at all what was happening. There wasn't a gift, as Town Hall puts it. The media stepped in it big time. The liberal media saw the principles in the story, as Matt Vespa over at Town Hall reports. Trump, Qatar, airplanes, bribery. And just like clockwork, they got the story dead wrong. But as Matt Vespa points out, liberals were more concerned about this fake news production than the new trade deal between the United States and China. Here was Trump mixing it up today at the White House.
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What do you say to people who view that luxury jet as a personal gift to you? Why not leave it behind?
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You're ABC fake news, right? Only ABC, well, a few of you would. Let me tell you, you should be embarrassed to ask him that question. They're giving us a free jet. I could say, no, no, no, don't give us, I want to pay you a billion or 400 million or whatever it is. Or I could say, thank you very much. You know, there was an old golfer named Sam Snead. Did you ever hear of him? He won 82 tournaments. He was a great golfer. And he had a motto. When they give you a putt, you say, thank you very much. You pick up your ball and you walk to the next hole. A lot of people are stupid. They say, no, no, I insist on putting it. Then they putt it and they miss it. And their partner gets angry at them. You know what? Remember that Sam Snead. When they give you a putt, you pick it up and you walk to the next hole and you say, thank you very much.
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Now, you know that the White House army of lawyers have thoroughly vetted this entire process of Cutter gifting the United States. This plane, a 747, to replace the 40-year-old Air Force One we have. And it's temporary because after Trump uses it for the next three and a half years, then it's going to get retired to the Trump Library. I've seen the old Air Force One at the Reagan Library. It becomes a museum. We're going to all get to go through it 5, 10, 20, 50 years from now. Oh, it's bribery. It's terrible. It's insane is what it is. And this is the kind of stuff they cling to. When you look at substantive epic news like Hamas freeing the last living American hostage, like a trade deal with China, like the stock market soaring, like optimism like you haven't seen in a long time. When you see all of that and witness the Trump haters melting down because they got nothing. It's like the dopey text from Greenville, South Carolina. I don't want to be on the side of January Sixers who destroyed our Capitol. You want to talk about destruction? Go look at the video of what happened after George Floyd. Now that's destruction. That's destruction. I wish they would have only broken a few windows after George Floyd. I was at MyPillow a couple weeks ago, and we had this great day where we sold $121,000 worth of MyPillow products in one day because we wanted to shower Mike Lindell and all the workers there in Chacopee, Minnesota, with love. And I said to Mike, can we give a thank you to those who did so much on our behalf, on your behalf? I want to do a special on the Giza Dream Sheets. Can you give me an exclusive offer? And you know what? Done. The best deal ever, these sheets that were made from the finest cotton on earth. They're smooth and silky and soft and durable. You'll feel like you're sleeping in a five-star hotel. Any size, any color, $49.98. Let me repeat that. Any size, any color, just $49.98. Queens, Kings, Split Kings, California Kings, any size, any color, $49.98. Now order now because when they're gone, they're gone. And I don't want you to miss out. And when you order over $100, you'll get $100 in free digital gifts. MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher Special Square. Click on that box. And with anything you order, enter the promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Like we love to sing. The best night's sleep in the whole wide world is at MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. I love looking at all the TV screens with all the networks in my studio, and I see all green and arrows soaring and the stock market skyrocketing. And I'm old enough to remember that just a couple weeks ago the Democrats kept saying, oh, it doesn't matter. The stock market is a key indicator of our economy. And look how bad it is right now. Look how bad it is. Look how bad the economy is. Look at the story. He's destroying the economy. What are you going to say now? What are you going to say now? What are you going to say now? What are you going to say now? Oh, yeah. January 6th. Nice try. Living with everyday pain is like having a voice that always says, no, no, you can't do that. You can't go there. You can't play your favorite sport. You better sit this one out. There's no way to live. If pain is affecting you, see how Relief Factor can help you get back to living life again on your terms. One where you say yes. whole lot more. Head over to relieffactor.com or give them a call at 800-4-RELIEF. Relief Factor is a daily supplement that fights pain naturally. Developed by a team of doctors and scientists, Relief Factor's unique formula of natural ingredients doesn't just mask pain, it helps reduce or eliminate it for good. Whether it's your back, neck, your joints, your muscles, Relief Factor can help you as it has for so many others. Give Relief Factor's three-week quick start a try. It's only $19.95, a low-cost way for you to sort of take it out for a test drive. Less than a dollar a day. Go to relieffactor.com, relieffactor.com, or call 800-4-RELIEF. That's 800, the number for relief. See how you could live with less pain, and you can say yes to more of everything you want with Relief Factor.
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Mike Gallagher. Every day, Mike visits with Mark Davis. Morning host on 660 AM, The Answer in Dallas. Here's today's Eminem experience.
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Just this weekend, all right, let's just take a little stroll. Trump announced a trade deal with China. Yep. Brokered an in-person meeting between Ukraine and Russia for Thursday. Helped stop a potential war between India and Pakistan. Announced an end to big pharma U.S. profiteering. Got the final American hostage released by Hamas. Oh, and trolled the media into thinking that he was going to get a gift of a $400 million jumbo jet.
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Just another weekend in the office.
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Just another weekend in May. This is crazy. I mean, I don't even know where to begin. First of all, the stock market is going to look like a movie today. It's going to be soaring to epic heights. Maybe that means somebody's going to buy the condo now. Maybe I'll get a little nibble.
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People relax a little bit in that Florida real estate market.
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Gosh, it's dead. The Florida real estate market is really on hold, and that's the way all the realtors are describing it because there's a lot of uncertainty. But now there's clarity. Stop and think a little bit about this. Think about them all whining and bitching and moaning about Qatar giving us a plane. I think about that that's what upsets them. Like there's nothing more important than that. And, of course, it turned out the narrative was a lie. Jonathan Karl's so-called ABC scoop, town hall reports, totally duped. It has nothing to do with the emoluments clause. It's a gift to the United States of America. I guess it gets tricky when it gets transferred to the Trump library. They'll figure that out. Congress is going to get involved.
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I don't know. I don't know that it does. I don't either. The Trump library is a nonprofit. They need to transfer it to the Trump library before Trump technically leaves office. Because if he sort of, it was given to the administration and the plane is still under the umbrella of the administration. When he comes out of the presidency, you can go, ah, now it's kind of a personal gift to him. So it'll go to the library before he leaves office. All good, man. All good.
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There's nothing bad here. And, and, and, Then they're reduced to lying about what is getting done. Poor Chris Murphy, that clown, he tweeted out yesterday, there's no deal with China. No deal. They make it up. They make it up. But to this moment, he still hasn't retracted or deleted the post. so when they're even when they're got egg all over their face they got five omelets on their foreheads and they can't they can't bear to give this guy credit for anything lowering prescription costs particularly for seniors think that's something democrats might get a little excited about no no no orange man bad mark orange man bad it's terrible you can't do that and a whole bunch of conservatives are lining up against him. Watch them because they're the ones that hate him and they just don't have the guts to admit it. They've always been never Trumpers. They always will be never Trumpers. You know who they are. You mixed it up with one the other day on Twitter. They don't like the guy. They don't like anything about him. And so they're never going to give him credit. And so be it. The American people get it. We know what the job is. Mondays have never felt so good, Mark.
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It's an incredible thing. There's also no such thing as weekend mode, when you used to be able to sort of cruise out after the Friday show and go, I mean, obviously we ramp it down a little bit because we don't have Saturday and Sunday shows, but the ability to kind of focus back in and just sort of gear back up on Monday, 25 things can happen during Saturday and Sunday. These folks never rest. There's always news, and I just love it.
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Well, and then we're leaving out the rather remarkable scene with a whole bunch of Democrats storming an ICE facility in New Jersey. Did you see this?
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I did, and there may be arrests. Well, why not?
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Look, there are people that rotted in solitary confinement because of January 6th and a lot less than Congresswoman LaMonica McIver. Did you see her? I'll touch whoever I want to touch. I mean, she's knocking into ICE agents. You can't put your hands on federal officials like that. I know. I mean, oh, this is terrible. This is fascistic. We're arresting congressmen. How about congressmen not assault ICE agents? Golly, I mean, there's body cam footage of members of Congress assaulting law enforcement at the ICE facility. And one of them body slammed a female ICE officer. You don't get away with that. I don't care who you are. No, you do not. I'm old enough to remember they kept saying, Cotter Wally, no one is above the law. No one is above the law. Okay, well, now take your medicine. Golly. I mean, look, I've got enough problems on my hands. I've got to ask you a personal medical question. Here we go.
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Here we go. I'm sorry. Here we go. This is my weekend. Lean into the camera. Your eye looks good. I feel good.
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Oh, I'm doing pretty good except for shingles. You know, when I got the eye at last week, my doctor terrified me. He said, well, I sure hope it isn't shingles. I went, oh, Lord, don't say that.
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Have you gotten the – he'll start a talk show right now. Have you gotten the shingles shot?
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We have two talk shows to do in five minutes. Number one, the shingles shots. And number two, property taxes. Because you gave me a great topic, a conversation starter on Friday when you brilliantly posted – philosophically how ridiculous it is that you can own your own property free and clear, but keep paying the government for it for the rest of your life and your kids' life. You don't own your home. Ridiculous. But let me go back to the shingles first.
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Enough about me. Let's talk about me.
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Exactly. So my doctor, Dr. Feelgood, forgot to give me the second round of the shingles shot. So in December of 2022, I got round one. Well, they forgot to notify me. Of course, dummy Mike, I forgot too. I didn't get the second dose. You're supposed to get two doses of the shingles shots. You're not supposed to get one, right? Right. Well, I forgot the second one. So now, about a year or two ago, do you remember when I got that horrible thing on my foot? I got this rash on my foot that was like, I think it was shingles. It hurt. It was gout or something. It was horrible. But I think it was shingles. But I only had one dose. So now I get this scare the other day. I'm thinking, do I go back and do I start over and get both rounds? Do I get round one? Because you're supposed to wait four to six months after the first one to get the second one.
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Isn't there a medical opinion on this? You're sitting around spinning a wheel on it. Isn't there a doctor that has advice?
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Yeah, I got the medical advice. You ready?
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And it is? I'm not sure.
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I'm not sure. They said, well, there's not really any data that says. But I'm also a little skittish about vaccines. Well, aren't we all? Right?
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I mean, what about you? Did you get your shingles shot? Yes. Both of them?
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Yes. You and Lisa both got both. Yes. And you got to get them because you don't want shingles. Trust me. No, you shouldn't.
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That's a thing.
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What's the TV commercial? Shingles don't care. Yeah.
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It hurts.
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But I'm afraid if I get a second one after getting one already, I'm going to have three. I'm afraid my left arm is going to fall off.
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I think this is one of those that's been around for quite a while. I think you're good here.
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You would get both?
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Yes.
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Because here's what the doctor said. He goes, even though it's been since December of 2022, I think you can get the second dose technically now. I think. And you're good. Okay. I don't think I'm good.
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In a whirlwind of political drama and absurd truths, this episode unpacks a Florida man's bizarre crime involving nachos while diving headfirst into a controversial protest at an ICE facility. Host Dana Lash exposes the political theatrics that ensued when protesters and political figures clashed with ICE agents. Discover the motivations and consequences of such public demonstrations as we dissect the narrative behind advocating for detained individuals with dangerous pasts. As the dust settles, we question the optics and efficacy of such political gestures in today's America.
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So there was a big fight involving nachos. I can't even believe some of these stories. I'm like, is this seriously an actual story that I'm reading right now? It is. A Florida woman was arrested. After an alleged nacho-related attack, Port St. Lucie, it is a domestic incident involving nachos. nachos there's and uh allison swan 39 was in charge with one kind of battery causing bodily harm uh i so wait is she she's a lady and she has a wife i just want to make sure i understand this because sometimes the headlines are not okay so she got into a fight with her significant other and then attacked her partner and shoved hot nachos down her britches oh And the police had to be called. She was described as, quote, drunk. Really? I'm so shocked. I mean, look at she looks totally Tober in her mugshot there. And the after she did that, she barricaded herself in their bedroom. She sounds pretty abusive. Like she beat the other woman, beat her partner and then excuse me, and then shoved. You know, this hot food in her drawers. So, good heavens. Remains of an elderly Florida man was found in a bear days after a deadly attack. 89-year-old Robert Markle. This is so sad. He was found dead around 100 yards from his home. And he had been reported missing. And the disturbances that he reported to police earlier that apparently had been caused by bears. He was in a bear. A bear ate him. Horrible.
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message to the mayor is he said he didn't want to protest yesterday then what about the several times during the week he showed up so that's what people don't know he and his staff are out there this week we've had to send people out there to break up protesters there the mayor and those protesters brought a bulldozer last week not only this time but other times protesting we've heard intelligence that they're going to continue to protest wow uh the uh
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Stunt that they pulled. This is this is crazy. The stuff that these Democrats pulled in Newark. Welcome back. Dana Lash with you are at the bottom of this first hour. So if you if you miss that. So what ended up happening is that a bunch of Democrats stormed an ICE facility. And the Department of Homeland Security was threatening the arrests of these House Democrats who were at this New Jersey ICE facility. They had stormed it. There's all kinds of body camera footage of it. It's the Delaney Hall Detention Center. And on Friday, they stormed the gates of it. This is a secure facility that's located in Newark. And they were advocating for These detainees that DHS and Juan showing you some of the B-roll. This is like that's what's happening there. That's a Newark, New Jersey. That's a congressperson just shoving people through. That's assault. Sorry. But the DHS assistant secretary, Tricia McLaughlin, said that the people who are held here are murderers. They are terrorists. They are child rapists and MS-13 gang members. That was her direct quote. So a bunch of members of Congress, Democrats, chased a bus that was full of detainees who were entering the security gate. Then they stormed the gate and they broke into the facility. I was told, Cain, this is an insurrection. Yeah. This is an insurrection. And DHS said it was, you had Monica McIver, who's a congressional woman. She's the heavyset broad with the white and red shoving into people. She's from New Jersey. She said that she was manhandled, but I did not see anyone manhandling her. I saw her using her immense weight to just blast through security. And it showed them she was pushing and elbowing officials. And DHS said they posted on X. They said you should meet who they're fighting for. You should meet the people that are held here. So, for instance, they have a man, Chinchilla Cabrera, who is in custody, and he is – A known active member of MS-13. It's been confirmed. Ramos Marin is wanted in Brazil for homicide. He has an Interpol red notice. He is in custody without bond. I mean, these are like several. This guy, Saravia Santamaria of El Salvador. He is a verified MS-13 gang member. And he also has the tats with the little MS-13 symbols on it. They also have Adonis Estevez. He is from Dominican Republic. He has multiple felony convictions of drug distribution, including fentanyl, drug trafficking, resisting arrest, illegally possessing weapons. Maximo Nunez, a 58-year-old Dominican Republic, again, drug trafficking, assault with a deadly weapon, etc., etc., I mean, these are the people that they have another individual who was a child rapist in MS-13 that's held in this facility. Another one who raped a woman. I mean, there's you get the idea, right? I mean, I can sit here and go on for the rest of the segment, but you get the idea. Those are the people that are held here. And Democrats decided that they they wanted to advocate for these people. And I mean, it's really shocking that they keep deciding that they're going to champion known criminals over innocent Americans. Now, this. I mean there's there's tons of these I mean these and these guys are from all over. So those are the people that are held here and this is the this is the facility that Democrats decided to storm and they have body camera footage of members of Congress actually physically assaulting ice officers. One of the members of Congress Democrat member of Congress quote full body slammed a female ice officer on video. Oh, my gosh. And they have all of the video evidence of this. They posted some of it, some of what Juan showed you, showing total chaos. And they said that three members of Congress specifically, this was on Thursday, they had Rob Menendez, LaMonica McIver and Bonnie Coleman. They visited Thursday and then I guess they had the storming on Friday. I don't know. I've never seen anything like this. I've never seen congressional members storm a facility for like a jail for criminals and then try to free the criminals and assault criminals. This is insane. It's I mean, I think that. I don't know how you can have these people in Congress. Now, I know that their voters determine whether or not they recall, but I think every one of them, if you're on video body slamming authorities like this because they are housing rapists, child rapists and murderers and rapers of women and people who beat women and people who kill cops in this facility. Then, yeah, if you're that's that's criminal trespass, that's assault. I mean, there's I think that they they need to be charged. You have people who didn't even go in the Capitol on January 6th who were arrested. And there were some people who went in the Capitol on January 6th because they saw security agents. They saw security opening the doors and ushering people in and they didn't know. They walked in and they walked into Statuary Hall and they just kind of looked around and left. They were arrested and charged. Some of them were detained for months. So are these people who actually went in to cause an insurrection? I guess they thought that this was the modern day Bastille and they were going to storm it. They need to have the full weight of the law thrown down on them. This is insane. Now, the Newark mayor was saying that, I mean, he was in defense of them. That's the thing. Because you had him. He brought a bulldozer to the last week. They said they brought a bulldozer to the facility. And I just... You can't tell me that these voters are in support of this. Their mayor, Ras Baraka, was arrested and he was vowing to shut down this facility. He was going to shut down this facility because I guess he wanted all of these criminals to be able to run around on the streets with everybody. I don't know. He's a gubernatorial candidate in New Jersey as well. Yeah. Oh, there's like so much more. Audio soundbite 17. This was him. He was saying that, oh, he was arrested. They treated me with dignity, but it was humiliating. That's the least of your problems. Listen to the stooge.
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Well, I mean, I just want to first say that the guys from Homeland Security were very respectful. They treated me with dignity, and I appreciate that. You know, while I spent my last few hours in the holding area inside of the, I believe it's a detention facility that they have here in the city of Newark, you know, that Homeland Security has. You know, it wasn't unbearable, but it was definitely, you know, a humiliating experience and uncomfortable for me overall. But, you know, in the end, those guys did the best that they could to.
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If it was humiliating for him, imagine what it was like for his voters that are watching their mayor make a fool of himself for child rapists. I'm not exaggerating when I'm talking about the people who are in there. I'm not I'm not just like singling out one or two criminals that are here illegally, which is bad enough. No, there are a lot of them in there that have been. Yes, that's that's the whole that's what's even more insane about this. It's not like there's, oh, just some people who entered illegally and which is still a crime. So technically they're still criminals. But then they were just angels after they got in and there's one bad guy in there. And so we're just going to use this one back. No, they're literally all of these are the some of the most dangerous and violent crimes. Repeat offending criminal illegal aliens that are in this facility. And these are the people that this guy and these other Democrats are going out there championing. This is insane. Brings a damn bulldozer to it. And they brought up they said that the detention center turned away fire inspectors. So see, he was trying to use all these different agencies to get in there. He was trying to act like, no, no, no, we got to have a fire inspection. Oh, no, no. Now we have to have city officials examine the site. Oh, you guys are turning away local inspectors. So they brought a bulldozer. Oh, you're turning away these local inspectors, etc., etc. The group that's operating it signed a $1 billion 15-year lease with the federal government for Delaney Hall. And they're like, yeah, everything is legit. They're just trying to get in there and cause problems. That's crazy. And, you know, I mean, really, because now it's a federal immigration processing center. It's created tons of I love DHS because I think, yeah, well, we created a bunch of unionized jobs, annual salaries, one hundred five thousand starting point. It's going to contribute 50 million to the local Newark community and. I know for the Democrats who like to talk about being pro-worker, but then they probably get behind every policy that offshores jobs and manufacturing. Yeah, those are all union jobs there. Just saying. Just saying. I mean, this is wild. Absolutely wild. These are the people that they keep wanting to celebrate. And what the hell is the matter with them? What is the matter with these people? This is like the stupidest stuff I've ever seen. They are continually... shooting themselves in the foot. I mean, just the optics alone are horrendous. These people, they act like they're some sort of freedom fighters. They're not freedom fighters. These people aren't heroes. These Democrats are criminals, too, for doing this. This is anti-enforcement obstruction. Now, they were doing it in... uh colorado right i mean you've had stuff like this in colorado uh and you've had stuff like this in seattle for different kind of different reasons but good heavens yeah they brought a bulldozer not it's not the killdozer either it was a baby bulldozer these people make me want to make a killdozer though i'm just saying they were trying to block access the city of new or so the mayor brought in i don't know if you guys bill malugin has this um It was very ineffective. They brought in this tiny little bulldozer, and they tried to put it in the middle of the entrance to the parking lot, and it's not even big enough to do that. Kane, the size of that bulldozer. Is that the only bulldozer this guy could get? You're the mayor of Newark, and you can't get any better bulldozer, like a bigger one than this? Come on.
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Right. You would think the mayor would have some connections.
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It's almost like cars can go around it to enter into the facility. Wow. Yeah. That's what he did. That was the mayor that you just heard that we played that audio soundbite of. I mean, and they were given multiple warnings to leave their property or be arrested. And you can protest. That's fine. But you can't break into the facility and then start body slamming agents. Yeah, that's what you can't do. Now, the... One of the things that the left has thrown up is they're mad because they said these people who wanted you to wear masks for how long, they're mad that ICE agents were wearing facial coverings in the video. Now, why would they be wearing that? Let's go back here to the story from February of this year. Anti-ICE activists disrupt LA operations and they doxed the agents. They posted photos, names, addresses, and phone numbers of all of the agents in English and Spanish. Huh. So maybe that's why ICE agents now are covering their faces because they have this kind of stuff that they're dealing with. This is unbelievable. So I was told this was an insurrection. Are we going to have a commission to investigate this? Where's the censoring? Where's Mike Johnson on this? By the way, why haven't you heard more about this? Why is it that you don't know every aspect of the story? Where in the hell are the Republicans at exploiting every bit of this? Where is the worthless RNC exploiting every bit of this? These people, where are they on the board? With All Family Pharmacy, convenience is everything. And they make it so simple. It's fast shipping, no hassle, no gatekeepers. You can order from the comfort of home and let All Family Pharmacy deliver right to your door. So take control with up to a one-year supply of essential medicines like blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes treatments. No insurance, not an issue. All Family Pharmacy has you covered. No more monthly refills, no more lines, no more surprise pharmacy trips. And everything is made right here in the US of A. So you can rest easy knowing that your medications meet high standards for quality and safety. Nothing's outsourced, just reliable American made medicines. And they provide ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, antibiotics, and so much more. The very medications you know that the system try to keep from you and you can even get your everyday maintenance meds too they make it simple fast shipping no hassles no gatekeepers visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash dana now and use code dana 10 for 10 off be prepared stay in control because they're not looking out for you allfamilypharmacy.com slash dana code dana 10
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All right, so Elon Musk's rocket, you know, because he tests different rockets, and sometimes you're successful, and sometimes you're not. That happens. This is crazy, though. So they're saying that his last rocket that he launched, they were doing a test, and it exploded in the atmosphere. It created a phenomenon that they never saw before. The booster separated as planned, but four minutes later, it was reported that it exploded in midair, And then Starship itself detonated about 93 miles above the Earth shortly after. Now, the second explosion was so intense that it ripped through the ionosphere, the electrically charged layer of the atmosphere that plays a role in radio communication and satellite signals. That's never happened before with a rocket explosion, that it caused such a catastrophic event like that. Now, they said scientists observed the gaping hole remained open for about 30 to 40 minutes before the ionosphere naturally stitched itself back together. And that's fascinating. So, yeah, that never happened before. So that was something very interesting that they got to view. A 4.1 magnitude earthquake was reported in Tennessee, felt all the way in the metro Atlanta area. That is unusual. That's not the New Madrid fault, right? That's not that fault line, is it? Maybe. So they said it was just after 9 a.m. It was confirmed that it happened. The epicenter Greenback, Texas. And that's about 126 miles north of Atlanta. And they said everybody like in and around that area from everywhere was was feeling it. And yeah, 4.1 that they felt all the way in Atlanta. So that was that's wild. The rental boom is collapsing and there's a little panic. Owners are rushing to sell at deep discounts. They're rushing to sell their rental properties. A number of people buying second homes plunged to its lowest level since it happened. They said sky-high mortgage rates, maintenance costs, and return to office push. That's fueling all of this, which makes sense. So cargo thieves are attacking the U.S. supply chain, too, at alarming rates. We're going to have more on this coming up. And stupid dim tricks. Stick with us. A lot more in store. It's our friends at Kel-Tec, the Generation 3, Gen 3 Sub 2K. If you haven't checked this out, you need to. They make awesome stuff over at Kel-Tec. And the Gen 3 with this, it folds in half. It's like... Gun origami, you can fold the whole thing in half. And it's it comes in a variety of you know, get you get 10 millimeter. It's very cool. And everything made in Florida, everything made in Florida folds fast optics stay in place deploys just as quickly as you're ready to rock. And it's the twist of that rotating forend. It makes it super easy to do to fold quickly in half and reopen. It's great. And it folds down to 16 and a half inches so it's easy to store and transport. It takes Glock mags. You get ample capacity for whatever you need and you have an optional extended mag and a 50 round drum for more liberty because that's what that means. It also has a lightened five-pound trigger pull, greater accuracy, internal buffer for softer recoil. You'll get the rails for accessories, integrated M-lock. I mean, it's just great. It's one that you've got to have. I love it. All the stuff that they've been coming out with are just all absolute hits. They're just great. And also, please keep in mind, everything that Caltech makes, from the parts to the materials to the labor, right here in the U.S. of A., K-E-L-T-E-C-Weapons.com. It is the new Gen 3 Sub 2K 10 millimeter. Check it out. Caltechweapons.com. Tell them Dana sent you.
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I want to talk about this plane thing for a second because Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is happening with Boeing. These planes are... Air Force One is 35 years old. Now... That, I don't know, like things break over time, right? I mean, I don't know. I just got some questions. When Trump first made the deal with Boeing about this 2018, he was in his first term. That's when he had ordered apparently two planes from Boeing. That was about $3.9 billion because the planes that we have, the pair of them are 35 years old, actually over 35 years old. Now, I don't understand how this happens. These planes were supposed to be completed and delivered, I think, what, 2021 and 2024. Apparently they are so far behind that maybe 2029 is when they're done. And they're over budget already. In order to continue building them, Boeing wanted several billion dollars more. This was after they had already agreed to the $3.9 billion price tag that had been negotiated back in 2018. And this was all because, you know, Qatar had suggested they would allow use of one of their planes temporarily. And I... Don't agree with some of the remarks that some folks have had. Well, taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for it. So let's use the Qatari plane. And I just think regardless, I like what Yates said when he was on with this last hour that they'd strip it all down anyway. But still, the optics are bad. The issue is, why is it taking Boeing so long? So back when these when the current planes were first commissioned, that was like what under Reagan. Right. And that was in I think it was eighty five. I think that was in 1985 when it was first commissioned because the first test flight, it's a Boeing VC-25A. Yeah, it was commissioned in 85. The aircraft itself was built in 1986. It was first flown in 1987. By the way, when you Google something, actually, I pulled this up because I Googled this this morning. It gives you a little AI summary. I don't know if I like that because I want to double check it. So I did. All of this, by the way, is taken from a couple of things. This is, well, Boeing. It's the Boeing thing. And then it's also history link and a couple of other Britannica, a couple of other things. But it was interesting. They built it. So a year after it was commissioned, they built it. They did the first test flight in early 1987. And then it was actually delivered in 1990. So that was five years. Reagan had ordered these planes to replace the 707s that they had. Now, this was a 747 that Trump commissioned in 2018. So I've got some questions here. And why is it taking them this long? Why is it taking them this long to do this? I mean, this is... Reagan announced the Air Force intent to purchase two new wide-body jets to replace the aging VC-137s, Boeing 707s. 86, Boeing was awarded the contract to build the 747s. 1987, the first one of the new 747s, which is now the current Air Force One, that's when it first flew, was in 87. 1990... The first of the two new ones, it was the VC-25A that was delivered and deployed. And then the older aircraft were retired between 1998 and 2001. I actually have been aboard the ones that Reagan retired at the Reagan Library out in Simi Valley. I was actually – I took a tour of that jet. And – Yeah, when you look at that jet and you look at me being only a – I am a plane person in so much as Katy Perry is an astronaut. Yeah, there are some obvious differences that non-versed people can see, right? But – and I'm not just talking about the decor. I mean like with the equipment and some of the operations, et cetera. But I mean they're huge. They're really wild to tour. But five years. Five years. Five years. why is it taking why is now Boeing saying it could be 10 years before they have this thing done maybe 10 years may at the earliest again he commissioned this in 2018 at the earliest 2029 that's 11 years and now it may take longer what in the world by that time it's going to be outmoded why is it caner what are you saying why is it taking that long
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I just thought it was, I was curious because it's weird considering that we've been to the moon, but now they're saying we can't go to the moon with even more advanced technology than we had back then. And it's almost like this. Like, okay, in the 80s, we were building planes at five years for Air Force One. Now it's Tet, but we have better technology nowadays. So why does, what is happening? Why is this the only industry that seems like moving backwards?
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That is the million-dollar question, is it not? The million-dollar question. That is a good point. Why is that? I mean, I... This whole thing, I'm just... It's shocking. It's incredibly shocking that it takes this long. And so now you kind of... That's, you know, the reason why, you know, we're in this situation and we've got the Qataris. And I think that that's like... That, to me, isn't that kind of a bigger story? I mean, that Boeing... was supposed to have these planes done and I think delivered by last year. And now they're so behind schedule. They said that it was supplier engineering and manufacturing issues. And you had L3 Harris that is over, they were commissioned by the government to overhaul this thing apparently that was formerly used by Cutter's government as like an interim temporary thing. They've been a contractor to Boeing before. They've worked on communication systems, etc. They've actually worked on some stuff for the replacement ones for Air Force One, too. I guess they're competing to be a big supplier for the Pentagon. It's a company that's growing really quickly. They are obviously a lot smaller comparably to Boeing. I think they have like a third of their revenue. But I'm just shocked that it's... that this is taking as long as it is and this is one of the things like with our military they've had these issues too with them and and and these sorts of these like manufacturing delays and by the time they get stuff it's like entirely outmoded and i i'm just i don't know they so they said that I think this was around the elections in November. There was a Boeing representative that signaled to federal officials that the manufacturer that Boeing, and I think this was over at Wall Street Journal. So Wall Street Journal has this story. They were saying that someone said that maybe 2029 at the earliest, but other Boeing representatives, when they were talking to federal officials, they were saying that it would be around 2035 when... They would be able to do it and they said that they have been struggling with and this is again per Wall Street Journal the plane's complicated wiring says this piece complicated wiring and structural issues including some related to holes for doors cut into the lower lobes of the aircraft. I just feel like that is a problem that should have been easily solved. I think what in the world is what is this nonsense? What is this is crazy. So that's the struggle? That's the struggle, boss? Is this? They're working with some of the, I'm just curious as to how this is different than any of the other ones. Now, there's a, this is on CNN, but our Air Force, and CNN had this piece about, where they talked about their stealth fighter, the Frankenjet, that they stitched together. So they had two F-35s that were wrecked in accidents, and they're now on duty and combat ready. These two jets crashed in the span of three years, and the U.S. Air Force turned around and rebuilt them, and now they're back in action. Okay, so what is the holdup? What am I missing here? I am stunned. Now, Lorraine goes, to be fair, Boeing is the company having problems with door plugs falling out of the aircraft in the air. Oh, yeah. Now, do you think, and I've heard this floated before, is the Qatari plane threat just a way to put pressure on Boeing? Do you think that that could be part of it?
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You mean the Trump administration? I mean, it could be part of it. I mean, we've had now at least three years with Boeing, tragically, in the news, whether it be, you know, for failures of their equipment or the whistleblower who just got... I mean, I'm just curious, how is it that the Air Force, per this piece, can take and stitch together a Frankenjet from two crashed F-35s,
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Like, just a little over two years, and they put them back, they deploy them again. But Boeing can't go in to existing jets and deal with, like, wiring and whatever modifications are required.
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Yeah, that's why I don't believe it. We know things have improved since the 80s in regards to manufacturing and everything else. So I don't buy it.
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I think it's becoming a question, do you trust Boeing? And Boeing, this is like an all-American, it's like an all-American company. When you think of American companies, that's one of the ones that I think always comes up with people. And I don't like iconic American things being viewed so horribly. But in this instance, I mean, it's deserved. What the hell is happening there?
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As the spotlight shifts to the Middle East, we celebrate the release of Idan Alexander, the last remaining American hostage held in Gaza. Jeff Balaban from ACLJ Jerusalem joins us live to provide an on-the-ground perspective on this pivotal moment. Learn how the ACLJ continues its tireless work both domestically and globally, defending pro-life advocates and securing significant legal victories that uphold free speech rights in jurisdictions across the nation.
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We got breaking news. President Trump drops major executive actions this morning.
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It's Monday. Welcome to Sekulow. This is Logan Sekulow. Will Haynes is joining me in studio. Jeff Balaban is going to be joining us live from Israel a little bit later. Obviously, we are all excited to report that Eden Alexander, the last American living hostage, has been released, as far as we've been told, has been released. Now, the details of that are still coming out, but we're going to update you live from Jerusalem a little bit later in the broadcast. It was a very busy weekend.
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for president trump there were a lot of things going on a lot of executive actions taken and a lot of deals being announced including deals with countries that maybe were unexpected including well china that's right so we knew that the treasury secretary and a team were going to start negotiations with china but the way this has been framed was as a a talk
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to begin to agree on what you could talk about when you start talking so really not much action what to bring up uh it was actually one of those ones going that's not a whole lot to talk about right now maybe we'll get to it a little bit down the road but uh the as president trump does clearly this was all negotiation another big tactic and things were getting done
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I think you have to give a lot of credit to the president for having the foresight on this, but also to the Treasury secretary who went there. And the reports are he was having like marathon sessions of like 14 hours long with negotiations with his counterparts from China. And what comes down to is that not only did they agree to a framework moving forward on how to get to a more fair trade, trade situation between China and the United States, but also that there were big moves on those retaliatory tariffs, the imbalance of trade as well, things like both sides putting a 90-day pause on any retaliatory tariffs, bringing that back down to a 10% baseline for the American side as well as from China. So there's going to be kind of an even 10%, 10%. There's a 30% on certain sectors from America on Chinese goods, and that is to try and combat the fentanyl situation. But that was an agreement they came to that they will... move forward on how to address the fentanyl crisis as far as China taking aggressive actions to stem the flow of fentanyl and other precursors from China to elicit drug producers. And that also this is it's a historic thing in many ways, too, because they put out a joint statement. Now, joint statements from two countries with negotiation is a very important diplomatic thing. This is something that hasn't happened for years between the United States and China because of the very antagonistic relationship between the two. But even that, it's a huge diplomatic win.
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Yeah, just to have essentially a press release go out saying, you know, we are doing this together. This is a positive movement. I think this all stems back to what we told you originally when these tariffs started coming in. And look, maybe some of it took a little bit longer than they expected. but not that long really in the grand scheme of things, that a lot of these moves were to just get people to the negotiation table. Because as soon as you start saying, we're going to have 100% tariffs, we're going to have all of this, the toys are going to be less this Christmas, you're going to have a lot of people really upset, but you're also going to have people ready to make a deal. And that is what's happening right now. Also, President Trump made another announcement, one that is, look, I think pretty controversial and does not necessarily speak to those who would claim that President Trump is some billionaire conservative who only cares about money and doesn't care about the people. This is an executive order that could cut drug costs, prescription drug costs, up to 80%. Now, what does that look like? And what does that look like from a business and economic standpoint? We're going to talk about that when we get back. So make sure you stay tuned. And we're going to continue the conversation as well about the U.S. and China. We're going to be talking about some big moves we've had at the ACLJ, some big wins that are exciting. Looking forward to reporting you the latest from Massachusetts on our pro-life case, as well as a victory that came out just this weekend. Jeff Balaban's going to be joining us as well, live from Jerusalem, to discuss, of course, the freeing of the last American hostage, living hostage, from Gaza back into Israel, or to see where he ends up. We're going to find that out, of course, as an American citizen. We're taking your calls at 1-800-684-3110. But this is a critical time. We need your support. I encourage you to go to ACLJ.org right now. Support the work of the ACLJ. We'll be right back. Welcome back, Seculo. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Of course, we are talking about some of the big breaking news that happened over the weekend, including we're going to go live to Jerusalem a little bit later. So if you are listening for that, we're going to go live to Jerusalem with Jeff Balaban, head of ACLJ Jerusalem, to discuss the freeing of the final living American hostage from Gaza. Again, that is going to be a little bit later. in the show. Right now, if you're watching on YouTube, we are well aware, as you've heard us talk about, of this glitch that keeps happening. Our team is working at it. I ask you, if you're watching right now, please hit that thumbs up, that like button, and please put in a comment. That's going to help get it back in people's feeds. We would appreciate that. But Will, the breaking news out of this morning are a couple different things. One, We talked about what happened in China, and now we're also going to continue that conversation. But we also want to talk about what's happening with U.S. drug costs, because what essentially the president has laid out is a favored nations policy, which would say, hey. If other countries are paying so much less, significantly less for their same prescription drugs, we want the same deal. We want to get favored nations for anyone who's worked in any kind of business like that. Let's say Will signs a contract with a company and I come in and say, whatever Will gets paid, you can't then go offer him or offer me less than what he's getting paid. So similar idea, but now we're talking about for the government and we're talking about drug costs. Now again, This is not Big Pharma. This is not super lobbyist conservative, it feels like. This is another moment where you go, President Trump always kind of has his toe both in this world of economic conservatism, but then we'll pull something like this where it shows there is this humanitarian element where he kind of says, I don't care.
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That's right. And there was a shocking statistic offered during the announcement of this that the United States has less than 5% of the world's population, yet funds roughly 75% of global pharmaceutical profits. Let that sink in. 5% of the world's population is funding roughly 75% of global pharmaceutical profits. Now, I've heard nonstop since the election that he's in the pocket of big business. He's in the pocket of big pharma. He doesn't care about everyday Americans. He's going to destroy Medicare. He's going to destroy Medicaid. He's going to destroy Social Security. Your drug prices are going to skyrocket. Every single line... from the left when it comes to the persona of President Trump is false, especially when you look at the action taken today. Once again, as you mentioned, Logan, it doesn't come across as a very traditional Republican conservative move, but what it is is an America First move. It's a narrative buster, and it's really quite fascinating. They're also going to set up a mechanism where through the Department of Health and Human Services, which I thought was just being completely dismantled and terrible for America, it's what I've heard multiple times, but that it'll have an option for American patients to buy their drugs directly from manufacturers who sell them to Americans at most favored nation price, bypassing the middlemen. You know who's going to be very upset about this? Not seniors. are going to get a large cut in the price of their prescription drugs people who are on fixed incomes people who are on medicaid they're not going to be upset about this the drug companies are going to be upset about this the pharmaceutical reps are going to be upset about this because the the system of prescription drugs in america i think every single rational human being would say is a very broken and flawed system.
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Even the advertising business of it. You got to think about, like, you go to no other countries in really the Western world, I'd say, is every ad break you see on television, every ad that you get served on social media, you know, the prescription drug of choice with all of the 4,000 side effects. It's not how it works in those countries. And you may say, Logan, we don't want that. We don't want a control of these businesses. The problem is they've gotten so big and so out of control that they dominate You know, my kids could probably sing every jingle to every sort of medicine under the planet right now just because of the ads they get served. I mean, the ads they see are watching, you know, American Idol and they're singing, you know, Ozempic. You know, like it's hilarious to see or they're singing a greatest showman parody to, you know, any of these songs. It's unfortunate that that's where we're at, where that's dominating, but that's also part of the business that we live in. Hopefully, this could actually help that as well because maybe there'd be less money needed to be spent on these advertising. Maybe we don't have to go ask your doctor about blank. Maybe your doctor actually should just know and be able to prescribe it.
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Well, and I think that the American people, if you followed even things like the opioid crisis and you saw how that played out, how it was the advertising, it was shady practices by big pharmaceutical companies and how that really has wrecked havoc. on on rural america on working-class people on people that were preyed upon by pharmaceutical companies by pushing a miracle cure which ended up destroying lives across this country all of that was big business and i mean i'm i'm very conservative i am for free markets But I also understand that what is happening in the United States, whether it comes to trade, whether it comes to the way that the pharmaceutical industry, which is given much favoritism by the federal government and the FDA and things of that nature historically, that that's not really free enterprise. What we have in the United States is not a classic free enterprise system where the best rises to the top because demand for it is the best. We have a very manipulated economy. And when you see moves like this, that the president is trying to lower cost of medications, This should be something that is being praised by the left because this is straight out of what they say they really care about. Now we'll find out if they really care about it because they will find a way to attack him, demonize him, say he doesn't have the authority, probably file lawsuits.
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We are going to see the legalities of it, I think, which is a little different of an argument. Look, I'm not saying the left should be making that argument. It's ridiculous. But I'm saying that in general, we have to see if this executive action is legal.
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Is it really what can be done? I also saw Ro Khanna tweeted out that President Trump should work with him and Bernie Sanders to get something like this legislatively through. Now, I don't think the House of Representatives is going to fall in line on that. Maybe they will, because they have been very receptive to President Trump's plans. But if you could see a breakthrough bipartisan situation on the pharmaceutical prices issue, I think that would change a lot of the narrative. And it'd be hard to argue with a lot of things.
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If you have Bernie Sanders and a California Democrat together.
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Right, saying, oh, he's an authoritarian, he's a dictator, he's lowering our drug prices. what are you going to do with that he's working with the other side on something the fact of the matter is is most of the time why he doesn't work with the other side is because the other side refuses to do anything with the president now I'm not saying that they should change their ideas or that conservatives should change their their principles however when you see something like this which I think that most Americans should celebrate in some form or fashion it will be very telling what the response is out of The Swamp, Washington, D.C.
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Yeah, absolutely. There are phone lines open for you at 1-800-684-3110, 1-800-684-3110. I'd love to hear from you on this. As you have these kind of big moments, when you have a packed weekend, when there's all this news, whether it's a deal with China, and obviously we've seen now the drug prices, we've seen Eden Alexander get freed. These are some big wins, if you will, for President Trump that also leads to a soaring stock market. Obviously a response to what has happened, again, in a system that's kind of broken, And a system, though, that is responding to the breaking news.
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That's right. And once again, that is almost a negotiating tactic as well. It's not as if all the tariffs with China have been taken away. They're still at that 10 percent baseline and some things will be hit with the 30 percent tariff. But it is come down from 148 percent or whatever it was up to at the time. But it also shows that the market responded well to that. There is diplomatic workings between China and the United States. And that is something seen favorably by the market. There's a positive outcome already early in this story. And I think you can take all of this as a negotiating tactic. You may not like the way he negotiates. You may not think that it's gonna end up being the best deal, that's fine. But what you can't deny is that there is legitimate movement in a way that we haven't seen for years. We haven't seen anything between a US administration under President Biden and his team, that looks like this kind of diplomatic solution that we're seeing with China. Now, you can't trust China. You have to trust but verify. You have to go through all of those things. You have to play hardball many times. And I think the Treasury Secretary has done a magnificent job in this. He's very even-keeled and just kind of straight facts, not much of spinning or giving political talking points. He's just very on the face of it. But I think... that this can be a very good thing not just for the united states but the world if we can see a de-escalation of tensions between the us and china find a way that america isn't being robbed blindly by china going forward and then we can put in real things that can help protect american manufacturing help protect american farmers help protect american business that has been so exploited by the chinese trade policies for decades
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All right, like I said, phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. I want to hear your calls and comments about all of this. In the next segment, though, we're going to talk about some big wins that have come out of the ACLJ, some wins and some that continue on. Because, of course, not every victory, that's the end. But look, it's good to celebrate. We're going to be celebrating, celebrating for life. We got a big update from Massachusetts, which I know you've been caring about and wanting to hear about. We got that coming up in the next segment. And then later on, live from Jerusalem, ACLJ Jerusalem, Jeff Balabons will be joining us to talk about the freeing of Eden Alexander, the final American living hostage from Gaza. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are open for you, as I said, at 1-800-684-3110. I wanted to brief you, though, before we head back into sort of the breaking news elements. These are breaking news in the world of the ACLJ, which, again, if you're brand new to this broadcast, you're brand new to what we do here. The ACLJ is our legal operation that runs here. You hear this show. This show is about what we do here. Obviously, we cover breaking news. We cover what's going on, but we also are in court. We are in court every day. There is an incredible team of lawyers who have been together in different iterations for nearly 35 plus years at this point. And they do amazing work. And they do amazing work based on a lot of the topics that you care about the most. And we've gone over what we've done in Massachusetts now for the better part of a year. And this process takes some time. Well, as you know, our team, if you listen every day, our team was in court last week as the other side, the state of Massachusetts and the pro-abortion side of it was trying to get our case just thrown out. And not only did that not happen, There was actually some really great moments that lead us to at least believe that things are not done yet.
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That's right. Actually, fascinating because these things happen in real time. Some of these updates today almost feel like a courtroom drama that you would see on TV. But that we, at the beginning of last week, received information from the state of Massachusetts. We did the equivalent of a FOIA request under the state sunshine laws. And we received a production at the beginning of last week that had things that would further establish the deceitful nature of the state's campaign against pregnancy resource centers. That wasn't in our original complaint because we were fighting to get it. Then in that hearing on Thursday of last week, our attorney who presented Olivia for went back and forth with the judge almost for an hour and a half during that hearing. And when she presented that, you know, we have more evidence that has been uncovered. that really got the judge's attention and even when the other side the side the defendants the abortion industry in the state were pushing back saying this shouldn't even be here to begin with the judge commended how well our attorney presented this case and so this is a up front early victory in this case this was the defendants the state and the abortion industry trying to get it thrown out of court with this motion to dismiss The judge was intrigued by the new evidence that we have that obviously wasn't presented there fully in that sense. It was just, here's what we've gotten. And so what he said is amend your complaint. File leave to amend your complaint. I will grant it. And this entire motion to dismiss is moot right now. Means it's done. Now, the other side will have an opportunity now that this new complaint is filed. It essentially starts at the beginning. They will try to have it thrown out again. But it's very good that we have overcome that first motion to dismiss. And the judge is at least interested in seeing what's in there. And that's a very good sign for our attorneys and our clients.
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Yeah, I think it's important to know that our attorneys are out there thinking 10-dimensionally, if you will, of how they could possibly win these cases when you know you're going up against Massachusetts pro-choice activists a lot of times. What does that look like? Well, hopefully you find a favorable judge, which looks like we may have at least found a fair judge. And we're able to continue these cases forward. I think it's a big deal. It's a big win. Congratulations to our team. Not a win just yet, but at least a win in the sense that it's certainly not over. Of course, if we had lost completely, it's not over either. We can appeal. There's a lot of options we're going to do. We can take this thing all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States. And with your support, we will. That is why we always ask for support and donations. None of this is being funded by major sponsors or big grants that come in. That's not how it works here. I'd say 99.9%. of the funding that comes to ACLJ is coming from individuals, from people like you, who say, you know what, I want to give $10 a month. I want to give $75 a month. I want to give $100 a month. Or maybe I'll make a one-time donation at the end of the year, by Christmas, whatever I have. That is how this organization is funded, and I'm proud of that. And I love that. Because we are able to do that in a real grassroots way, not in a way where we're just taking money from some big organization and saying, we'll do whatever you want. No, we are being run by all of you who decide to support the ACLJ and by doing that at ACLJ.org.
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Now, Logan, we've got another big victory, big update. And if you saw the show Friday, I really went into detail about this case that we have in Illinois. I saw some of it. And I broke down.
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I actually heard some of it. I was in Los Angeles, California. That's right. I landed. I turned on the radio in my rental car, and Will is talking to me.
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Well, you should have called in. I said, I want phone calls. And you could have called in. It's the second half. They tape it. It's delayed. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, never mind. It was delayed. It was the evening slot. But I kind of broke down how that case in Illinois has broader implications and why we have to fight those local cases that may not really make sense to you because you don't live there or it may not feel like it really ties into you. But I kind of broke down why it matters. And I'll give you an example here, because right there we're fighting an ordinance that we see unconstitutional in Illinois. We had a client in Ohio that was in a criminal proceeding going to trial on Friday. I mentioned that as we were on air, it was going to be happening. That he was being charged with a disorderly conduct under an ordinance because of using some amplification. So our attorneys get to court. And they noticed something is a little bit up because our attorneys are smart. They're like Logan said, playing that 10 dimensional chess, trying to see where they can defend our client the best. And they noticed that an 11th hour maneuver by the prosecutor that changed the theory of their case amounted to rewriting the charges on the spot. And our attorneys objected. They said we didn't have time to prepare for this because it was something else. They also said that if you were to go back and try to rewrite these, this pushes outside the speedy trial statutes in Ohio. He will be outside that timeline. You have to drop these charges. We pushed back hard. and we got a victory. They dropped the charges, the prosecution folded, and our client was free to go without charge. But here's now the kicker.
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Yeah, I do want to say this though. That's a big win. Understand our team is thinking in ways that are very creative and they were able to get a win for our client. That is a huge win. Take that, celebrate it, congratulate it. But understand that that doesn't change it for the future. And that is where the ACLJ is going to take action. This was almost a technicality, a clerical mistake that caused a big win. And of course, that is a good thing because you'll take a win however you can take a win, especially in terms of a criminal type case. Right. but now we've got to fight against this statute.
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That's right so just like we're fighting in Illinois over a statute that we see is used to discriminate against pro-life advocates we are doing the same thing with the statute in Ohio saying that it unfairly discriminates against the viewpoint of pro-life activists and that they were using it in a discriminatory way by not treating people equally under this ordinance. And so we're filing now in Ohio against an ordinance that's being weaponized against conservative speech. So when I told you on Friday that it takes a team like the ACLJ to go there and find these ordinances and fight back to get these overturned so it protects everyone's speech. That's what we do. I said on Friday that they say all politics is local. All constitutional crises begin local, in my opinion. Absolutely. And that's what we're doing. We're protecting your speech there.
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And you just ramp it up. It keeps going and going and going if necessary. It goes all the way to the United States Supreme Court. We've got an incredible team that does that. You heard from some of them last week. You'll hear from more later on in the week. But later on in the show, we've got 35 seconds of this segment left. If you don't get the second half hour, by the way, join us live at ACLJ.org. YouTube, Rumble, even with the glitches. I see the glitch gang all chiming in. You've got to come up with an emoji for the glitch gang. Y'all come up with it in the comments right now. Do it right now. Give me some ideas. Look, we'll be taking your calls coming up. Jeff Balaban's going to be joining us from ACLJ Jerusalem to talk about the freeing of Eden Alexander, the last American hostage in Gaza. We're going to talk about that coming up as well as continue the conversations that we've had, whether that's about China or anything else. The ACLJ cases. We'll keep going. 30 more minutes coming up. Less than a minute break.
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Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Welcome back to Sekulow, second half hour of the broadcast. Coming up, we're going to be taking your calls at 1-800-684-3110. If you're watching online, I encourage you to get engaged. Throw in a comment. I'm looking at all your emoji ideas. You guys figure it out. You're the Glitch Gang. You can come up with it. All right, phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. We're going to keep this conversation going. We're going to talk about a few different topics. Obviously, the U.S. has agreed to slash reciprocal tariffs. Major step forward in what is going on with the tariff situation. China actually coming to the table. And not only that, we're releasing joint statements with China. Again, President Trump, no comment. Always willing to go to the table and negotiate. Then you had updates coming in of Big Pharma, where he said, hey, we're going to cut some drugs up to 90% of what Americans are costing, getting a favored nations deal, where whatever they're paying overseas, the cheapest rate, America wants that as well. We talked about the victories that happened for life that's going on right now with the ACLJ team. But we're also going to continue the conversation as in the next segment. aclj jerusalem head jeff balaban's gonna be joining us today marked a very important day as we see the freeing of the last american living hostage in gaza that is of course uh eden alexander this has been one that a lot of people have been talking about for a long time uh 500 plus days maybe even more than that now 600 i mean it's been a very long time uh since that october 7th attack But maybe as the Netanyahu administration and currently now the Middle East all have kind of different points of view of how this thing is going to end. Maybe we are going to head towards some sort of peace. Hopefully it will. We pray that it will. Obviously, though, we pray for success as well, that anyone who is still alive or any remains that exist get back to Israel. And they can end this once and for all. Let's continue to take some phone calls. I'd like to go to June, who's calling in Kansas online, too, because June is an ACLJ champion, which means she gets bumped up to the front of the line. June, go ahead.
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Thank you. I'm calling from the state of Kansas. I wanted to just make a couple of comments on the drug situations. In the early 90s, I was an RN in another state. the aisle this drug rep comes in and he says oh what have you brought me today and she said well I'll show you when we get back to the office then the other instance my own personal physician had a wall in the waiting room full of clocks they went down the hall from all the pharmaceuticals that she dealt with and I thought that is really something what a waste of money you know and it's all these favors that they give to doctors and to providers and just accelerates the cost of our drugs. And that was back in the 90s. So just a couple of comments I wanted to add.
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So thank you.
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I appreciate all you do.
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Thank you for calling, June. I mean, that is kind of the frustration, I think, with most Americans is that This isn't really a free market that we're talking about here. We're talking about a lot of different interests at play. You're talking about the lobbying. You know about the revolving door at the FDA where people leave the FDA and go work for the pharmaceutical companies they were regulating prior and vice versa. People that leave the pharmaceutical companies and go to regulate them at the FDA. And it's really a tragedy for the American people because it's not letting the best rise to the top. And then you think about all the research grants and the scientific funding that happens from our government, which subsidizes it. But then you have people at the NIH that can profit off of the discoveries that they make while working for the government. This isn't the way a free market system works. It's a heavily subsidized, heavily regulated, and rightly so that things should be regulated. But what we're seeing is that it's not the best deal for the American people. And what President Trump is trying to do here, counter to the narrative, is actually help the American people.
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All right, we get back. We're headed over to Jerusalem live. We're going to team up with our ACLJ Jerusalem team. Of course, that would be the head of ACLJ Jerusalem, Jeff Balaban, he's going to be joining us. You're going to want to see him. You're going to want to talk to him because it's a big day in Israel. We're going to go through all of that as well and what this looks like for the future and give you a breakdown of why it's important. The ACLJ team, always looking for ways we can get involved in the world stage, whether it's the ECLJ, our European center, whether that is the ACLJ or, of course, the ACLJ Jerusalem. Why do we have an office in Jerusalem? We're going to break that down. If you've never heard him tell the reason why, I think it's very important that we are there right now as we continue on in this fight. We'll be right back with Jeff Balaban. Take your calls right after that. Welcome back to Seculo. Jeff Balaban, head of ACLJ Jerusalem, is joining us live. And, of course, we're going to talk about the breaking news coming out of Israel, and that is the freeing of Ina Alexander, the last American hostage still in Gaza. I want you to hear first, before we go, to Jeff from President Trump making this statement.
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So for the first time and third, I'm very happy to announce that Edan Alexander, an American citizen who, until recently, most thought was no longer living, thought was dead, is going to be released in about two hours, actually. And he's going to be released. before the eyes of Steve Witkoff, who has done a fantastic job. I just, you know, I know a lot of people that have a lot of talent. I know Steve had a lot of talent, but I know a lot of people with a lot of talent, but I had, there's one that I thought had a special way about him, special personality, aside from being a good deal maker, had a special way about him. And it was Steve, knew very little about the subject matter, who does, but he learned it in about two hours. And he's been fantastic. So I want to just thank Steve. But they're going to be releasing Edan in about two hours from now or sometime today, let's say. And again, they thought he was dead just a short while ago. His parents are so happy.
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All right. And that was from President Trump just a few hours ago. Jeff, you're hearing this news. Obviously, it's a positive sign. This comes out of a pretty interesting weekend for Israel, support of Israel. And there are obviously a lot of news reports that we're talking about the daylight that may be between the Netanyahu administration, the Trump administration, if there was anything to that. So this seems like a positive move, though, to kind of restart this week.
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Sure. Everyone's reading Tea Leaves. What's that relationship like? One thing's for sure. The question is how friendly are the current American administration and Israeli administration, whereas when it was under Biden, it was how hostile they are. And that's really not because Israel's changed, but because America now has a new administration. And that's really been the coverage here in Israel throughout the day. which is what actually is the cause of this release right now? Hamas is claiming some kind of victory saying, hey, it's the Americans are dealing directly with us. Well, I mean, Qatar and Egypt were involved. It's not really clear. And a lot of this is right now behind closed doors. But Hamas is trying to declare victory. Others are saying, well, what really happened here is once Trump allowed Israel to unleash what it always could have done, In Gaza, now Hamas is more afraid than ever, and now they have to let them go. So no one really knows, and everyone's speculating. What we do know is that they just had pictures now, after hours and hours of tremendous anxiety, tremendous fear, of Idan Alexander. I think you just showed the photos of him alive now.
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Oh, I haven't even seen those myself.
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Oh, there you go. That's a clip I just sent over from Israeli Channel 14 News. I hope it's okay we use it. And this is him, obviously, standing between Hamas operative and a Red Cross worker. And he's obviously alive, and we still don't know his health. He's being shuttled immediately to a hospital. It's unclear which, depending on his state. It'll be the one right near the Gaza Strip, Barzilai, or else it'll be Ikhlov in Tel Aviv. And, you know, but... All of Israel is watching with bated breath, and all of Israel is appreciative and excited and happy, but also feeling anxious and fears of what this means in the long term. But this day is a day of life and celebration of one young American Israeli being released alive after almost 600 days in captivity.
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Well, and Jeff, I think one, it does call for celebration and for joy that he is home and able to return to his family, but it can't be lost on anyone and we should never let it go without saying that one, it should never have had to take that long that he had to remain in captivity. We can be thankful and praise God that he is alive, But there are many that did not survive captivity, did not survive the massacre. And we can never forget that and can't in some way see Hamas as some trustworthy partner or some benevolent governing body in Gaza that has decided now to turn over someone that should never had been in captivity in the first place.
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That's right, William. There is always concern that of any kind of direct conversation with Hamas, because you are doing deals, I would say, with the devil. But if there's something worse than the devil, it's those people. And I will say the flip side and just the kind of coverage we're seeing here in Israel. So they were interviewing Idan's grandmother and she was saying, you know, she said she thanked everybody. She thanked President Trump and Steve Witkoff. And, and, and Bibi Netanyahu and really across the board was thankful, but mostly she thanked God. And she, she said that, you know, there's not been a day since this captivity that she hasn't held onto her book of Psalms and read from the book of Psalms. And she thanked most of all God. And that is also something which really here in this country, secular, not secular, it doesn't matter. Here, overwhelmingly, there's a belief in God, and that's really something which goes through Israeli society, and that's something which is also being felt here, and something which really unites a culture that often you see. You see it on television. They fight amongst themselves politically, but there's always an underlying truth, which is there's a love of one each other as though it's a family. So everyone here is very emotional about the release of this young man. At the same time, concerned about the existing hostages and the fact that Adam Bowler, Donald Trump's special envoy for hostage said that it is not just, this is not the last hostage, that Donald Trump is committed to making sure every Israeli hostage is released. That's another piece of news that's very, very important for the Israelis to hear. It's not just because Idan's an American citizen, it's because Donald Trump is committed to making sure the Israelis get all the hostages back from Hamas, and that includes the living, and also hopefully, the debt another piece of news which may have not made it to america is that that the masada or others have identified um bodies now um that they've gotten territory they've gone into including bodies of soldiers taken 40 years ago right that were killed and never returned to israel
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but still were kept. I mean, that is the part that is really shocking and disturbing. It wasn't like that these were remains that were disposed of and destroyed. They were kept as trophies, if you will. And that is what is really heartbreaking to watch. Now in this, I do want to make sure people understand that because the reports here on Eden Alexander, There's a lot of talk of last hostage. We're seeing that a lot. We're seeing that New York Times, the last hostage released, President Trump's secure release of last hostage. And of course, if you read a little more, it is we're talking about the last American citizen. However, there are still more. Hopefully this means if he's alive, which clearly we see pictures, he's alive. Hopefully that means there are still more that are alive.
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There may be, and we hope there are dozens alive and still living in conditions. That's the other thing that's happening now. Israeli news is reporting, as is American news, about some of the stories that are being told by those who survived the captivity. And they are harrowing and they're very painful to read. But yes, there are still dozens, we hope, of living hostages. And we do hope... that the combination of Donald Trump in the White House and whoever's running Israel right now, Vivian Netanyahu, will continue to bring home living hostages and also to bring peace to the families who have lost their loved ones and also those bodies, which also, it's a very powerful thing here in Israel and in the Jewish faith, what happens to the remains of those bodies. And so all of those are considered hostages, living and dead, and we want them all back.
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I mean, you just have to think about the deranged mind that would keep someone who is deceased, that they have killed, as a hostage. We talk about terrorism, but the psychological terrorism that is so pervasive from Hamas in some ways is more active and thriving than any of their military or vocational physically violent terroristic opportunities that they take against the israeli people it's just shocking to to think about but also to this as well eden alexander was returned without any hamas fighters being handed back over and that is also a very wonderful thing that there are not more terrorists back in gaza as a result of hamas releasing him today
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Very important point. There still is some concern that there may be some other part of the deal that we don't know yet. But originally, they were talking not that long ago about 250 terrorists being released for Eden Alexander. Now it's zero. That seems like a very big win. We don't know what the cost might be, but there may be no cost. I actually want to add, before the segment ends, just a unique ACLJ angle to this. We're talking about what it does to society. So Israel is a society that loves life, and it tries to live in the middle of a terrible region in terms of war and death. with light. And so something that I was brought in here, obviously because of ACLJ, just privately today was the discussion of, about policies going forward. What's going to happen? What should Israel do legally to the Nachba terrorists, to the terrorists who committed October 7th? Because there are a lot of people who think, well, there is a death penalty for terrorist acts, or there should be. And then the question is, do we really want to be involved in death penalty for hundreds of people? It's a very troubling issue here in Israel. What to do about this? And so being able to even have those conversations in terms of international law, but against the light of our culture and our shared civilization is a very important factor. And right now, Israel needs to find that out because it's also torturing Israel. What to do with those terrorists who committed these atrocities? And we're struggling here.
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All right. Yeah, absolutely. We'll be sending our thoughts, prayers, but also the ACLJ team is going to be working hard to see what that could be, what the options are for Israel. And again, I want to thank all of our audience. I know it's a hard time when you see the news, you see the press, even the conservative. news sometimes turning on the state of Israel but you are there a part of our ACLJ family with your support firmly planted we appreciate all of you who continue to support whether that's financially or just watching this show we know that it is sometimes not the popular thing to do but we are here for you we're going to take your phone calls coming up in the next segment at 1-800-684-3110 you've heard about the big wins that came out this week we're going to continue that discussion but your support is really needed right now. Continue helping fight for our clients and for you at ACLJ.org. Donate today. Back to you with your calls in just a minute. Welcome back to Secular. We are going to take your phone calls. There's still a minute, or if you want to call in, a minute or two, 1-800-684-3110. We can talk about any of the topics we brought up today, whether that's Israel getting free the last American hostage in Gaza under Hamas control. Of course, that is Eden Alexander, so that is a big positive move. We also talked about the U.S. and China putting out a joint statement together, talking about new tariff rules that could be very good. And then, obviously, the price of prescriptions. Uh, potentially dropping as president Trump signed executive action that could, uh, you know, go maybe 80% drop, maybe more in the cost of your prescription jugs. And of course we're talking about some of the big wins the ACLJ had, and that's what we're going to kick off these phone calls with. Let's go to Ann in Pennsylvania on line one. You're on the air.
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Hi guys. You guys are the best. Honestly, I've been fighting for pro-life, the baby in the womb and fighting for the constitution. And you said before the constitution is the supreme law of the land. And this, excluding you guys, this is where conservative media and I believe for years have been wrong. So the Constitution absolutely is the law of the land. This is why I firmly believe that unborn babies have the right to life and liberty in the pursuit of happiness under the 14th Amendment. And so and you so eloquently stated before about how, you know, abortion has a right. This is really what primarily Roe v. Wade was. Well, I believe that we can include the fact that states, you know, when states, when red states and blue states, they get to decide who lives or dies. It's no different than you or I. Murder is murder. It's no different than you or I. And I'm probably one of the very few people who are stating these facts. Unborn children have just as many rights as babies born outside of the womb. And I really want us as the conservatives on a whole. We need to get tough and we need to address it. Obviously, the overturning of Roe v. Wade is a very good first step. It really is. And I understand, you know, red states are going to do everything to limit abortion. But God forbid an unborn baby is residing in the womb in a blue state. They're pretty much doomed.
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And I totally agree with you. And it's something the ACLJ has been doing for a long time, which is fighting for the unborn. There is this narrative right now. And look, we are a little inside baseball. pro-life causes the pro-life issue is not a number one issue right now in terms of where our audience may be at and i think a lot of that is sort of the misinformation that roe was overturned and therefore abortion is now whatever it is because president trump's been talking about saying hey we wanted to put it back to the states that's where we got to they all go okay great so sure if you live in tennessee abortions are practically illegal here But again, if you go to Boston, go to Massachusetts, they're running ad campaigns trying to shut down pro-life pregnancy resource centers. Again, volunteer-run organizations often, nonprofit organizations that provide, like you said, not just prenatal care, but a lot of postnatal care, a lot of food, a lot of clothing. We had one person call in and say they threw them a birthday party for their kids. These are real sweet people running these organizations, and they're being targeted by their own state. So you have that chasm between a red state and a blue state. A red state's going to do whatever they can, as you said, and some red states, by the way. Not all. You have a Florida where it's a lot less restrictive than, let's say, even Tennessee and Tennessee, where it's practically illegal. And you have Florida. There's some heartbeat rules and some things like that.
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Well, and I want to commend Ann for doing something that we talked about earlier in the broadcast, using her voice, speaking out, First Amendment right, because that's also where we're having to fight. Because what we've seen play out now is that, as you mentioned, the red states may be fine, but what are the blue states doing? They've already enshrined the right to abortion in their state constitutions, right? They've already opened up limitless abortion in many of their states. But now they want to shut down any dissent. They're going after anyone speaking out against it, whether it be an individual in Ohio where they're using ordinances to attack his speech or in Illinois where they're going after signs that a pro-life missionary takes and they're not applying it. They have an unconstitutionally vague statute where every single person that reads it interprets it differently. That's what the left is now trying to do. They're just trying to shut down anyone talking about it in a favorable way. Or in Massachusetts, they're running a smear campaign trying to make no one trust people that are pro-life and trying to give you actual options and choice. Unlike what the left does that says only one choice on abortion. So they think the best way now is to eliminate the speech, combat everyone using their First Amendment right. And we're not going to stand for it. That's why we are fighting at municipal levels across the country or against the state of Massachusetts, because we know. that the First Amendment is sacred. And we are going to fight for people like Ann in a state like Pennsylvania that want to speak out against it and use their voice to share truth, to share hope and options, and not let the left that has a singular focus on shutting down your First Amendment right to take over. Because it's not just the pro-life cause. You may say, I'm not a pro-life protester. I don't speak out on this. Any other issue that you care about, that's what they'll come for next.
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All right, let's continue on. Bill in Wyoming, probably the last call of the day. Bill, go ahead. Thanks for holding.
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Yeah, thanks for letting me on your program. I don't know if you remember the company, but I'm for what President Trump did concerning the price of prescription drugs because that one company took the prescription prices from like about $40 to $50, kicked it on up about 10 times as much, I think, and then they hauled off and gave the CEO... bonus for doing such a thing. I appreciate what he did.
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Yeah, I think a lot of people are on the side of human rights at this point. And I think this is where maybe even the Christian side of the conservative world can find themselves in an interesting predicament because you obviously want to be a free market capitalist. You want to do all of these things. But there are times where it goes, okay, maybe we've gone a little too far.
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I think this is interesting. This is a soundbite, and we'll probably have to end it on this. But this is from the director of the National Institutes of Health in this press conference talking about what's happening today, Byte 20.
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At the same time, we're standing up for the American consumer who's been paying far too high prices for far too long. I can go back decades to point to congressional reports after government report after government report of tremendously high drug prices, much higher than the rest of the world. And nothing has been done about it until this moment. And I'm really, really proud, President Trump, that you've done this. I'm really proud to be included in this and looking forward to the work ahead.
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And again, that was a big moment as we are seeing this kind of shift. Hey, we only got a minute and a half left. We had so many topics today. I hope you enjoy the show because it was packed with so many topics. We try to make sure, you know, there's some structure here where you get a little bit, but so much happened over the weekend that we could not forget about not covering all of it. So we did. But remember, the work of the ACLJ is really what's important. That's what continues on. We got that big win in Massachusetts with our case defending the pro-life pregnancy centers. But of course, it's a big win. And so with a lowercase w in the sense of all the win is when it comes to Massachusetts is the case isn't over yet. We got a treasure trove of new information also during a FOIA request that really is what helped amend that complaint. That's why our ACLJ team is so good. They're able to, again, think so many dimensions in how we can really go after these cases for our clients in a really different and unique way. We can't do that. We can't have those brilliant minds without your support. So I encourage you right now, we'll need your continued support in this fight for life and our continued support for the fight for Israel, for all of our clients. We got another critical trial this month defending Christians who are being prosecuted or persecuted for their faith and have filed a major lawsuit and a preliminary injunction defending pro-life speech as well. That sounds like a bunch of legal jargon. No, that's why we have an incredible legal team and we're here to translate it for you. That's why we have this great show. And again, I want to thank our crew too. Let's go to ACLJ.org, make a donation today. No, we really would appreciate it. We'll be back tomorrow with whatever news may break. And of course, all the best from the ACLJ. See you then.
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I'm going to be releasing Edan in about two hours from now, or sometime today, let's say. And again, they thought he was dead just a short while ago. His parents are so happy. They're so happy. So it's, as you know, Edan's the only American citizen that's captured. And held hostage by Hamas since October 7th, 2023. And he's coming home to his parents. Which is really great news. I mean, to me, it's big news.
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Big news indeed. There's a lot of stuff happening today. The way that we were going to start the program. I mean, we have ideas in mind as to how we're going to start the program, but there's a lot of stuff happening. Whether it is the trade deal with China, whether it is the India-Pakistan, the negotiated ceasefire, A lot of stuff underway. And then, of course, you have the executive orders. You have the executive order as it relates to medicines and price controls, which I have to have a big discussion about that. A lot of stuff to hit this very busy Monday morning. Welcome to the program. Dana Lash with you. And we're at the top of this first hour. And. I mean, where to even start? You also have this hostage, this American hostage, the last American hostage who is now being released and I guess on his way going to end up in Tel Aviv, where his mother's apparently Waiting for him and then he's going to be coming back to New Jersey. So lots of things to discuss. It was a very, very busy weekend. And one of the big things that I want to take away from this is that and let me go back to the particularly the trade agreement with China. All we heard for two weeks and we ourselves were kind of wondering, but we don't want to we don't trust China with anything because repeatedly it was said over and over again that, oh, well, China's not talking to the Trump administration and the Trump administration was saying, yes, we're actively talking to China right now. And leftists were even questioning it. And now they are. I think the trade deal with China is a very good thing. So there's some good news. There's some stuff that I'm a little about and ever more pressure on Congress to act with the executive order. So where to start? I think we start what you heard the president talking about just a moment ago, the hostage release, which is I mean, when you still think of how long people I mean, these these this guy has been held is unbelievable. And I'm wondering what Hamas wants out of this. It's I mean, it's very good news that Eden Alexander is going to be freed. And maybe, maybe. And again, I'm speculating. Maybe Hamas decided that it was going to cut a deal with the United States so that it could make it so that it seemed like it was, you know, amenable. Right. Like they can negotiate. They can make deals. Or maybe they were trying to get one over on Netanyahu and make it look like, well, look, Trump can get hostage released, but Netanyahu can't. There's a couple of different ways to look at this. And this is I'm so glad that we have Stephen Yates on today. You know, he joins us every Monday. He worked in the Trump, the first Trump administration on foreign policy. And everybody so far had cooperated. Israel said that they made zero concessions for this to happen. And I know they reduced the size and scope of their operations in Gaza, but they said they have not – they didn't compromise on anything. The United States apparently didn't compromise on anything. So – what is Hamas's, what is their motivation behind this? Because it's kind of uncharacteristic. And by kind of, I mean entirely, right? Entirely uncharacteristic from Hamas. So what are they getting out of this? For what? Isn't that horrible? A hostage is released and we have to go, okay, for what? Why? Why are they releasing him? What are they getting out of this? Hamas doesn't do anything without having, trying to get some kind of advantage. And I'm kind of wondering if it's not the optic of making it seem making Netanyahu seem incompetent in regards to negotiating hostage releases compared to Trump, because that would be a big win for them over him. So it's. It's interesting to see. And we're going to talk, like I said, to Stephen Yates a little bit about this later. The big I think the other big thing of good news is the trade deal with China. So what? So rolling it back, what was it, 119 points? So we're taking it back to I think it was what, a 20 percent? for the tariffs. China's taking theirs back. We're rolling ours back. It's a very good deal for us. It's actually only, I'm pulling up my notes here, it's only like 10 points above the status quo previously as to what it was. And we're keeping a percentage in place Because of fentanyl. So that's why there's that residual percentage in place against them because of fentanyl. So that makes that makes sense. It's a big, big, big win for the United States on this. And I mean, the markets responded as well. This is what do we want, 11 or 12? I mean, we've got Scott, we've got Secretary Besant. Yeah, let's do 11 because he's talking about this 90-day pause. This is the Treasury Secretary on this just a little bit ago. Listen.
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And what we have is a 90-day pause on the reciprocal tariffs. Both sides de-escalated by 115 percent. So we are both at 10 on the reciprocal tariffs. The fentanyl-related tariffs, which President Trump Put on in February are still on and over the next 90 days We have a mechanism to meet with the Chinese trade delegation again. We will be discussing tariffs non-tariff trade barriers currency and their subsidies of labor and capital and how we can open up China to American businesses and rebalance what is our most imbalanced, unbalanced trading relationship.
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And the markets responded. They went gangbusters. They did. I think what futures were up over a thousand points this morning. They said that it was better expected, better than expected. This is per CNBC. And I also saw Wall Street Journal. They were saying that they We're even expecting more near-term relief for investors with CNBC saying it was a major breakthrough. Now, I meant to say 30. It's the 20% duties on Chinese imports related to fentanyl that's in place. The 10%, 125 to 10%, and that's the reciprocal tariff. So with the 20 and the 10, it's a 30%. that remains on China, the 10% reciprocal, and then you have the 20% for the fentanyl and every market insider. And apparently when you hear the administration talk, I don't think it's gonna stop there. I think that this is, it's not the end goal. I think it's still progress towards China actually responding and getting involved. and reducing, if not ending, the fentanyl coming into the United States. We shall see on that. But that's incredibly significant. So they were talking after all, Cain, because we were here not all last week. Oh, they're not really talking. Or China says they're not really talking. They were. They were completely having this back and forth. So this was this is incredible. I mean, it's good. I mean, you had stocks everywhere. Go Asia, Europe, everybody. I mean, it's Europe's stock index gained a percent. Germany's, I think, had a high for the past year. I think Hong Kong was like plus 3%. So huge, huge news. And a great thing to start the week with, really. A great thing to start the week with, indeed. So this is all incredibly significant. And like I said, yeah, China was talking to them this entire time. So that is going to be a major relief for a lot of businesses. And a lot of people I think were being because I saw some of the discussion. I think there are some folks who don't own business or never have been in manufacturing that don't quite get it. And they were kind of harsh on some. I read a couple of op eds like last week and they were kind of harsh towards some of these businesses. And I know you've seen it as well. With manufacturing and with these small businesses, it is very, very difficult because of China's dominance to decouple from them almost entirely. I mean, it's really – it's a tough thing to do because they've been allowed to basically – I have not a monopoly, but have such a sizable footprint that it almost suggests a monopoly. But they've been allowed. I mean, that's been allowed for forever. And domestic prices here are policies here haven't helped with offshoring of manufacturing, et cetera, et cetera. So it's it was very difficult. I know we have some friends, actually, their businesses. They try to do everything here in the US. There are certain things that they that no one else makes except for China or like Vietnam. And it was it's I mean, one of them was considering they were if it if there wasn't any progress, they were probably going to go out of business. And so now this is huge news because now what do you go from 145 to 30 and it's only 10 above what the status quo was. It's only 10 percent above status quo. So that's that's incredibly workable, incredibly workable. So now we'll see if that 20 percent works towards reducing the fentanyl flow. So huge, huge news. A lot of stuff happening this morning. Now, in addition to that, because we're not even goodness, the plane. We'll talk about this a little bit more in depth coming up. I know you guys have heard the story about the plane from Qatar, right? So let's rewind just a little bit. Air Force One, which can correct me if I'm wrong on this. I thought they said it was like 40 years old.
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Yeah, it's in need of an upgrade.
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So old jet and the... That poses a number of different issues because you can only retrofit things and you can only upgrade and modernize certain things for so long. And it needs to go. I mean, I think that that's Democrat, Republican. I think it's pretty safe to say that it needs to be updated. Now, remember, during Trump's Trump's first term. This was something that he had actually put an order in on that everybody agreed on. But then I think it was Boeing that it was already over budget and it was late, like over budget by some millions and already a couple of years behind schedule. And so he was I think it was in January. He was at the Palm Beach International Airport checking out a potential plane to use. In the meantime, and now the story from Qatar comes up. Now, I think it's a bad idea to take anything from Qatar, number one. Number two, well, reasons being A, for optics. So you have 1A, optics. 1B, I mean, it's just optics. None of it looks good. And these are also people that fund Hezbollah. They help with Hezbollah. They help with Hamas. I mean, Qatar's where Hamas chiefs live. I mean, they have a very cozy little relationship with him. I just think that's problematic on a number of different levels. But number two, and maybe perhaps this is most important. Do you trust that? I mean, do you trust the president of the United States flying around on a Qatari jet, a jet that's that's being supplied by a country that I would best describe as a frenemy, not an ally? Do you trust that? I mean, what if there's like a remote detonation or some kind of device on the plane? I don't trust that. I don't want to gamble anything like that. I got a million objections to it. So we're going to discuss this coming up. We have a headlines on the way. Also on deck for you. Democrats, some real they're tripling down on. I'm not even kidding you. Look, felonious criminal illegal aliens. We've got this. We've got some culture. We've got all kinds of stuff. GoldCo is making it easy to take that first step toward protecting your savings. Just fill out a quick form. No commitment. Just free information. And then they'll ship you your free 2025 gold and silver kit straight to your door. No shipping fees. No strings. just a free info kit to help you understand how gold and silver can fit into your financial plan. I'm a big believer in doing your research, and this kit is a great place to start. So I'm really excited to be partnering with Goldco because not only do they support my show, which I truly appreciate, but they've made the whole process of buying precious metals Super straightforward. Because if you're a fan of the show, Gold Co. is also going to tell you how to qualify for unlimited free bonus silver on eligible orders. If you qualify, you can even get a free half ounce silver Ronald Reagan coin. Totally free. Don't wait. Take that first step towards protecting and diversifying your savings with Gold Co. Visit danalikesgold.com to learn more. That's danalikesgold.com.
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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All right, so Elon Musk's rocket, you know, because he tests different rockets, and sometimes you're successful, and sometimes you're not. That happens. This is crazy, though. So they're saying that his last rocket that he launched, they were doing a test, and it exploded in the atmosphere. It created a phenomenon that they never saw before. The booster separated as planned, but four minutes later, it was reported that it exploded in midair, And then Starship itself detonated about 93 miles above the Earth shortly after. Now, the second explosion was so intense that it ripped through the ionosphere, the electrically charged layer of the atmosphere that plays a role in radio communication and satellite signals. That's never happened before with a rocket explosion, that it caused such a catastrophic event like that. Now, they said scientists observed the gaping hole remained open for about 30 to 40 minutes before the ionosphere naturally stitched itself back together. And that's fascinating. So, yeah, that never happened before. So that was something very interesting that they got to view. A 4.1 magnitude earthquake was reported in Tennessee, felt all the way in the metro Atlanta area. That is unusual. That's not the New Madrid fault, right? That's not that fault line, is it? Maybe. Close. So they said it was just after 9 a.m. It was confirmed that it happened. The epicenter Greenback, Texas. And that's about 126 miles north of Atlanta. And they said everybody like in and around that area from everywhere was was feeling it. And yeah, 4.1 that they felt all the way in Atlanta. So that was that's wild. The rental boom is collapsing and there's a little panic. Owners are rushing to sell at deep discounts. They're rushing to sell their rental properties. A number of people buying second homes plunged to its lowest level since it happened. They said sky-high mortgage rates, maintenance costs, and return-to-office push. That's fueling all of this, which makes sense. So cargo thieves are attacking the U.S. supply chain, too, at alarming rates. We're going to have more on this coming up. And stupid dim tricks. Stick with us. A lot more in store. Our friends over at Super Beats, a great Texas-based company, and they make a lot of really good stuff. But with Super Beats, you guys are familiar with the heart chews. Super Boreen, a lot of people are talking about healthy metabolism and supporting healthy blood sugar, and this is where Super Boreen comes in. It's plant based, doctor formulated. It has a unique form of berberine and Italian fruit extract that gives it an additional antioxidant, additional level of antioxidant cardiovascular support. And the berberine is unique. It's been clinically studied to deliver nearly 10 times higher absorption than standard berberine. It's highly concentrated, so you get all these benefits in just one easy-to-swallow capsule a day. And the grapeseed extract that's included in the Super Brewing, that provides for greater tolerability if you're concerned about any potential GI distress. Visit Sam's Club and restock your heart health support with Super Beats Heart Shoes and expand your routine with new Super Brewing for healthy metabolism and blood sugar support. Start today and get on the road to better cardiovascular health support.
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My message to the mayor is he said he didn't want to protest yesterday. Then what about the several times during the week he showed up? So that's what people don't know. He and his staff are out there this week. We've had to send people out there to break up protesters there. The mayor and those protesters brought a bulldozer last week.
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Whoa.
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Not only this time, but other times protesting. We've heard intelligence that they're going to continue to protest.
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Wow. The. Stunt that they pulled. This is this is crazy. The stuff that these Democrats pulled in Newark. Welcome back. Dana Lash with you are at the bottom of this first hour. So if you if you miss that. So what ended up happening is that a bunch of Democrats stormed an ICE facility. And the Department of Homeland Security was threatening the arrests of these House Democrats who were at this New Jersey ICE facility. They had stormed it. There's all kinds of body camera footage of it. It's the Delaney Hall Detention Center. And on Friday, they stormed the gates of it. This is a secure facility that's located in Newark. And they were advocating for These detainees that DHS and Juan showing you some of the B roll. This is like that's what's happening there. That's a Newark, New Jersey. That's a congressperson just shoving people through. That's assault. Sorry. But the DHS assistant secretary, Tricia McLaughlin, said that the people who are held here are murderers. They are terrorists. They are child rapists and MS-13 gang members. That was her direct quote. So a bunch of members of Congress, Democrats, chased a bus that was full of detainees who were entering the security gate. Then they stormed the gate and they broke into the facility. I was told, Cain, this is an insurrection. Yeah. This is an insurrection. And DHS said it was, you had Monica McIver, who's a congressional woman. She's the heavyset broad with the white and red shoving into people. She's from New Jersey. She said that she was manhandled, but I did not see anyone manhandling her. I saw her using her immense weight to just blast through security. And it showed them she was pushing and elbowing officials and And DHS said they posted on X. They said you should meet who they're fighting for. You should meet the people that are held here. So, for instance, they have a man, Chinchilla Cabrera, who is in custody and he is executed. A known active member of MS-13. It's been confirmed. Ramos Marin is wanted in Brazil for homicide. He has an Interpol red notice. He is in custody without bond. I mean, these are like several. This guy, Saravia Santamaria of El Salvador. He is a verified MS-13 gang member. And he also has the tats with the little MS-13 symbols on it. They also have Adonis Estevez. He is from Dominican Republic. He has multiple felony convictions of drug distribution, including fentanyl, drug trafficking, resisting arrest, possessing illegally possessing weapons. Maximo Nunez, a 58 year old Dominican Republic, again, like drug trafficking, assault with a deadly weapon, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, these are the people that they have another individual who was a child rapist in MS-13 that's held in this facility. Another one who raped a woman. I mean, there's you get the idea, right? Do you want me to? I mean, I can sit here and go on for the rest of the segment, but you get the idea. Those are the people that are held here. And Democrats decided that they they wanted to advocate for these people. And I mean, it's really shocking that they keep deciding that they're going to champion known criminals over innocent Americans. Now, this. I mean, there's tons of these. I mean, and these guys are from all over. So those are the people that are held here. And this is the facility that Democrats decided to storm. And they have body camera footage of members of Congress actually physically assaulting ICE officers. One of the members of Congress, Democrat member of Congress, quote, full body slammed a female ICE officer on video. Oh my gosh. And they have all of the video evidence of this. They posted some of it, some of what Juan showed you, showing total chaos. And they said that three members of Congress specifically, this was on Thursday, they had Rob Menendez, LaMonica McIver and Bonnie Coleman. They visited Thursday and then I guess they had the storming on Friday. I don't know. I've never seen anything like this. I've never seen congressional members storm a facility for like a jail for criminals and then try to free the criminals and assault criminals. the authorities that were there to protect the citizenry against these dangerous criminals inside. This is insane. I mean, I think that... I don't know how you can have these people in Congress. Now, I know that their voters determine whether or not they recall, but I think every one of them, if you're on video body slamming authorities like this because they are housing rapists, child rapists and murderers and rapers of women and people who beat women and people who kill cops in this facility. then yeah, if you're, that's criminal trespass, that's assault. I mean, there's, I think that they need to be charged. You have people who didn't even go in the Capitol on January 6th who were arrested. And there were some people who went in the Capitol on January 6th because they saw security agents. They saw security opening the doors and ushering people in and they didn't know. They walked in and they walked into Statuary Hall and they just kind of looked around and left. They were arrested and charged. Some of them were detained for months. So are these people who actually went in to cause an insurrection? I guess they thought that this was the modern day Bastille and they were going to storm it. They need to have the full weight of the law thrown down on them. This is insane. Now, the Newark mayor was saying that. I mean, he was in defense of them. That's the thing. Because you had him... He brought a bulldozer to the... Last week, they said they brought a bulldozer to the facility. And I... I just... You can't tell me that these voters are in support of this. Their mayor, Ras Baraka, was arrested and he was vowing to shut down this facility. He was going to shut down this facility because I guess he wanted all of these criminals to be able to run around on the streets with everybody. I don't know. He's a gubernatorial candidate in New Jersey as well. Yeah. Oh, there's like so much more. Audio soundbite 17. This was him. He was saying that, oh, he was arrested. They treated me with dignity, but it was humiliating. That's the least of your problems. Listen to the stooge.
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Well, I mean, I just want to first say that the guys from Homeland Security were very respectful. They treated me with dignity, and I appreciate that. You know, while I spent my last few hours in the holding area inside of the, I believe it was the detention facility that they have here in the city of Newark, you know, that Homeland Security has. You know, it wasn't unbearable, but it was definitely, you know, a humiliating experience and uncomfortable for me overall. But, you know, in the end, those guys did the best that they could to.
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If it was humiliating for him, imagine what it was like for his voters. That are watching their mayor make a fool of himself for child rapists. I'm not exaggerating when I'm talking about the people who are in there. I'm not I'm not just like singling out one or two criminals that are here illegally, which is bad enough. No, there are a lot of them in there that have been, yes. That's what's even more insane about this. It's not like there's, oh, just some people who entered illegally, which is still a crime. So technically they're still criminals. But then they were just angels after they got in and there's one bad guy in there. And so we're just going to use this one bad. No, they're literally all of these are some of the most dangerous and violent crimes. Repeat offending criminal illegal aliens that are in this facility. And these are the people that this guy and these other Democrats are going out there championing. This is insane. Brings a damn bulldozer to it. And they brought up they said that the detention center turned away fire inspectors. So see, he was trying to use all these different agencies to get in there. He was trying to act like, no, no, no, we got to have a fire inspection. Oh, no, no. Now we have to have city officials examine the site. Oh, you guys are turning away local inspectors. So they brought a bulldozer. Oh, you're turning away these local inspectors, etc., The group that's operating it signed a $1 billion 15-year lease with the federal government for Delaney Hall. And they're like, yeah, everything is legit. They're just trying to get in there and cause problems. That's crazy. And, you know, I mean, really, because now it's a federal immigration processing center. It's created tons of I love DHS because I think, yeah, well, we created a bunch of unionized jobs, annual salaries, one hundred five thousand starting point. It's going to contribute 50 million to the local Newark community and. I know for the Democrats who like to talk about being pro-worker, but then they probably get behind every policy that offshores jobs and manufacturing. Yeah, those are all union jobs there. Just saying. Just saying. I mean, this is wild. Absolutely wild. These are the people that they keep wanting to celebrate. And what the hell is the matter with them? What is the matter with these people? This is like the stupidest stuff I've ever seen. They are continually... shooting themselves in the foot. I mean, just the optics alone are horrendous. These people, they act like they're some sort of freedom fighters. They're not freedom fighters. These people aren't heroes. These Democrats are criminals, too, for doing this. This is anti-enforcement obstruction. Now, they were doing it in... uh colorado right i mean you've had stuff like this in colorado uh and you've had stuff like this in seattle for different kind of different reasons but good heavens yeah they brought a bulldozer not it's not the killdozer either it was a baby bulldozer these people make me want to make a killdozer though i'm just saying they were trying to block access the city of newark so the mayor brought in i don't know if you guys bill malugin has this um It was very ineffective. They brought in this tiny little bulldozer, and they tried to put it in the middle of the entrance to the parking lot, and it's not even big enough to do that. Kane, the size of that bulldozer. Is that the only bulldozer this guy could get? You're the mayor of Newark, and you can't get any better bulldozer, like a bigger one than this? Come on.
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Right. You would think the mayor would have some connections.
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It's almost like cars can go around it to enter into the facility. Wow. Yeah. That's what he did. That was the mayor that you just heard that we played that audio soundbite of. I mean, and they were given multiple warnings to leave their property or be arrested. And you can protest. That's fine. But you can't break into the facility and then start body slamming agents. Yeah, that's what you can't do. Now, the... One of the things that the left has thrown up is they're mad because they said these people who wanted you to wear masks for how long, they're mad that ICE agents were wearing facial coverings in the video. Now, why would they be wearing that? Let's go back here to the story from February of this year. Anti-ICE activists disrupt LA operations and they doxed the agents. They posted photos, names, addresses, and phone numbers of all of the agents in English and Spanish. Huh. So maybe that's why ICE agents now are covering their faces because they have this kind of stuff that they're dealing with. This is unbelievable. So I was told this was an insurrection. Are we going to have a commission to investigate this? Where's the censoring? Where's Mike Johnson on this? By the way, why haven't you heard more about this? Why is it that you don't know every aspect of the story? Where in the hell are the Republicans at exploiting every bit of this? Where is the worthless RNC exploiting every bit of this? These people, where are they on the board? Your body is a powerhouse. It heals, it builds, it keeps you moving, but as you age, those natural processes slow down, and that's where Ancient Nutrition's collagen comes in. It's like backup power for your body. It helps you stay strong, radiant, and ready for anything. Ancient Nutrition blends ancient wisdom with modern science to create high-quality supplements. and their multi-collagen Advanced Lean features 10 types of collagen from real food-based sources. It's powered by clinically studied ingredients that support fat loss, healthy weight management, and lean muscle building. You'll love it because it can reduce your joint discomfort, boost your skin, your hair and nails, and plus, you'll love how it tastes and how easily it fits into your daily routine. Collagen is real and it works and Ancient Nutrition's multi-collagen advanced lean has you covered. Look and feel your best starting today. Right now, Ancient Nutrition is offering you 25% off your first order. Just visit ancientnutrition.com slash Dana promo code Dana. That's ancientnutrition.com slash Dana code Dana for 25% off your first order.
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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
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He could be impactful as a moral and ethical voice on that issue that we're dealing with when so many people are being mass deported or fear it.
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Well, I certainly hope so. And from his comments previous to being elected the Pope, he has made clear what his values and his view of all of that is.
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So she's saying that, Nancy Pelosi right there, saying that she hopes that Pope Leo will speak against deportations. Now do abortion. Where do you fall on that, Nance? Just curious. Now do the trans stuff. Do trainees. Let's see where he falls on that. Go ahead. Go ahead and play that game. I just that's so dumb. Stop. I mean, you have to follow laws and everyone's equal under the law and before it. So, no, the pope doesn't make policy in the United States and D.C. and the pope does not have any impact on. On that does not does not get to tell us what to do with our own sovereignty, with our laws, with border, etc. There is a legal way to come in. And the idea that you're going to try to prostitute out religion as a way to justify the reckless and dangerous disregard of existing laws that help keep Americans safe and people who immigrate here legally safe is asinine. I mean, stop it. Just stop all that stuff. It's asinine. No, they've been trying to milkshake duck the new pope who is for gun control. He's a lefty moderate. I mean, you're not going to get a conservative pope because didn't Francis pick a lot of the cardinals that were choosing his successor? From what I understand, like most of them, you're going to get someone who's still in that leftist mold. But they were going after – apparently his brother is a big conservative pope. Or at least a right leaning dude. I don't know if he's conservative, but he's apparently had some things to say about like Joe Biden. And he has these he called Nancy Pelosi a drunk. Well, I can't even say what he called her. I like the Pope's brother, though. That would be a good podcast. The Pope's brother. How fun would that be? Stick with a second hour on the way. our partners that help bring you the program. It's our friends over at All Family Pharmacy. Oh my gosh, I love these people so much. If you have not ordered from them or if you have not signed up to order from them, you definitely need to remedy this. Here's why. All of the medications that you need, including the ones that the government tried to keep from you, like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which are great therapeutics, by the way. And when I caught the Rona naturally, they were incredibly helpful for me. But they have all of those. They also have your daily medications. You can get them fast. You go online, you order. It's so easy. You can get it in like two to four days or you can get it overnight in a pinch if it's like a serious situation and you need some medicine. Like for me, for instance, when I was hosting for Thanksgiving, I started getting strep throat. I've had it a million times. I know exactly what it is. And I'm like, oh my gosh, what am I going to do? So I overnighted antibiotics to myself from all family pharmacy and started my regimen. And literally by noon the next day, I was fine. I was able to do what I need to do because I had a ton of family coming to my house. They saved Thanksgiving for me. I really have relied on all family pharmacy and I cannot recommend them enough. Also, Everything is made in the USA. All precursors, everything. You're not getting anything from India or China, so you don't have to worry about any of it. High standards of quality and safety. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and get 10% off using promo code Dana10. Always be prepared. Protect yourself. Allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Coupon code Dana10 gets you 10% off.
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Now, I think, by the way, pharmaceutical, I have great respect for these companies and for the people that run them. I really do. And I think they did one of the greatest jobs in history for their company, convincing people for many years that this was a fair system. Nobody really understood why, but I figured it out. For years, pharmaceutical and drug companies have said that research and development costs were what they are, and for no reason whatsoever, they had to be born by America alone. Not anymore, they don't.
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Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you, top of the second hour. That's POTUS, who is announcing that he has an EO, Pharmaceutical and Drug Companies, this soundbite that you heard here, he was saying, you know, research and development costs are what they are. He's like, not anymore. But we have this reduction in the cost of prescription medication. I'm kind of... I don't know how I feel about it. And the reason I don't know how I feel about it is because I feel like a lot of this problem began with Obamacare. I mean, a huge part of the reason why we have this issue is... because of obamacare and i do think that we you know essentially with these other countries we were subsidizing their r d i get that but at the same time remember with obamacare which republicans always said that they were going to repeal they promised us they were going to do it they never did it the excise taxes on all of that stuff contributed so much to the increase in the price of drugs it's crazy And I feel like not enough people really get into that. I mean, you had the excise taxes. You had the pharmaceutical tax. You had even the medicinal device tax. You guys remember that? I mean, everyone was warning like, okay, what is this going to mean? I mean, you're... I mean, there were all of this contributed to we were still paying for R&D for everybody else. But here domestically, I mean, we had like what I think that there was a there was an Iowa State University study back in 2018 that found that the excise taxes from Obamacare were reducing research and development costs. the spending on that by about $34 million per company. Now, in 2013, it was 34 million per company that was adjusted to about 40 million in 2023. And that was a huge cut. There were like 80% of these companies that were surveyed, they'd said that they, you know, as a result, they were delaying or canceling some R&D projects. And And then, of course, you had like the excise taxes on devices. Like one of the corporations, the Stryker Corporation, which is a huge medical device, a major device manufacturer, they were estimating that the taxes cost them about $100 million in 2013. Adjust that to 118 for the latest available data for 23. So that's a reduction in innovation for those devices. That contributed to a major loss of jobs. We had over 29,000 jobs between 2013 and 2015, particularly specifically in that industry that included research and development staff and all of that. That completely directly impacted the capacity for innovation. I mean, think about it. You have less of a budget for R&D domestically. That means you... What if you need something like an advanced stent or diagnostic tools? All of that is impacted by this. It actually impedes medical progress. That's what Obamacare did. Those are all the taxes in Obamacare. We talked about this. I... talked about that so much back in 2010, 2009, 2010, when all of that was being debated. And then right even after it was signed, we saw effects of this immediately. And the Democrat defense of it, remember their defense of it? I remember Nancy Pelosi going on CNN, the State of the Union on Sunday mornings, saying that, well, the Congressional Research Service was saying that You know, the impact of these taxes is actually minimal, which was a lie because the Congressional Research Service only only tabulates the exact information that you get it. It's like how you feed AI, right? You can feed AI certain prompts and AI is going to give you a result based on what you prompt it with. The same thing with this. They're going to only tabulate exactly what you give it. no matter how misleading. So they were using that as a way to deflect the legitimate criticism that all of these taxes that were incorporated into Obamacare were going to drive up the cost of prescription drugs. They were going to stifle medical innovation. They were going to stifle research and development. I mean, you were going to see less diagnostic tools. You were going to see less innovations with devices. I mean, it's insane. It is absolutely insane. And why nothing has been done, I don't know. So my point with this, I don't know if this is like an in run around Congress because they just they're not doing anything. And I'm getting angrier and angrier as the weeks go on about this. But the real issue was caused by this bill. And well, there was an issue that preexisted and then it was confounded further by this bill and the gutting of these budgets. It's. It all of the options that could have been done and Republicans had a handful. They had like five different alternative health care bills during that time. So for the people who are arguing that they had no other substitute, that's a lie. These people have no idea what they're talking about. Ignore them because they clearly didn't pay attention or actually follow the news. The they had five they had five alternative options. Republicans did. Two of them actually were pretty decent. The others were better than what Democrats were proposing. Two of them actually included being able to have insurance companies compete, purchasing insurance across state lines, having it not married to your employer so that you could have portable insurance and have it wherever you went and you just didn't have to get it through your employer. Republicans, they didn't really – I don't think they really wanted it because they didn't fight for it. I've seen them fight for big-ticket spending items for special interest stuff harder than they fought for that. So – They promised they were in. Can you remember all of every single one of these fools ran on a campaign promise of repealing Obamacare, which included all of the taxation that helped drive all of this up? But they haven't done it. And it's not on deck right now either. Wasn't done last. It wasn't done the last eight years and hasn't been done now. I'm getting really aggravated at their their inability to act. But I also think, too. And again, you can like what someone's doing and still have some reservations about a couple of different things. You can like what someone's doing and still have a couple of criticisms because we are not British. So we don't you know, we're not communists. We don't have hive mind. Part of being a boardroom negotiator and part of being a good leader is being able to get these people in Congress to do what you need done for the voters. So you don't have to rely on executive order after executive order after executive order. is being able to use your skill set as a negotiator and make the art of the deal with these people in Congress. And so far, that's not happening. Because all of this stuff, the best way I heard it described is that these executive orders are a sugar high. And then, God forbid, if Democrats get into office in 2028, every bit of this is gone. And you are not only, you're not even right back where you were. We're not even right back where we were originally. We will be in a worse off position. And that is a very, very real thing. So as it pertains to the medicines and that, I would love to see cost reduction, but anything but a full on overhaul is a bandaid over it. And it's not gonna be permanent relief. And there is a potential that it could be worse later. And Republicans, I don't know, for the past 20 years and maybe it was under Bush because Bush used a lot of I mean, he made the appeal to big government. Right. If if voters couldn't get it done, well, then let's just have government do what voters want, not what voters can't do, but what voters want, not what Republicans can't do, but what Republicans want. We'll just have big government do it. And I think in the past 20 years, a lot of Republicans became very OK with having government do things for them. Let's have government do what the market should do. Let's have government do which what we could actually do by stimulating the market with good legislation or repealing bad legislation. And that's the issue. And it's so I'm I get nervous about this stuff. I get nervous about government involved in price controls. It's a huge it's a huge issue. It's it. You have to have something from Congress more on this. But I will say, you know, the excise taxes under Obamacare, I mean, they were heinous and it was all what they what what gets me is they they all said, oh, well, all of these taxes are going to are going to pay for the expanded coverage. By making it more expensive and by reducing your options and driving up the cost of medication, you're going to make it more. Do you see how stupid it was? These people never heard of math before. They clearly never understood cause and effect. I mean, there are clear, measurable, disastrous impacts that Obamacare had on the very thing that that right now the administration is trying to figure out how to remedy. It's a big deal. Can we play, this is funny, Audio Soundbite 3. This is a funny soundbite just from this morning. POTUS talking about a friend of his. Listen.
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I mean, I'll tell you a story. A friend of mine who's a businessman, very, very, very top guy. Most of you would have heard of him. Highly neurotic, brilliant businessman, seriously overweight, and he takes the fat shot drug. And he called me up, and he said, President, he used to call me Donald, now he calls me President, so that's nice respect, but he's a rough guy, smart guy. Very successful, very rich. I wouldn't even know how he would know this, but because he's got comments. President, could I ask you a question? I'm in London, and I just paid for this damn fat drug I take. I said, it's not working. He said, he said, I just paid $88. And in New York, I paid $1,300. What the hell is going on?
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I love it. He's like, they're taking the, what did he say, the fat shot drug? Because it's not working. That's actually hysterical. That is actually hysterical. I mean, it's, there's, It's the whole idea. I'm actually surprised that we're even getting any kind of innovations with stuff in the United States because of all this. Oh, oh, this. Let's see. I do somebody. Well, we did for I because I want to come back to this. Do we have time to or should I hold on the the white bag of or the bag of white powder?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, we should get a couple minutes for that.
SPEAKER 02 :
OK, so just you guys know. Emmanuel Macron, Keir Starmer, they were caught on video on their return from Kiev and they were in the Ukraine or in Ukraine. And they had a bag of white powder on the table. Macron quickly pockets it. Another guy hides the spoon. And apparently so the I guess Zelensky is what a big booger sugar enthusiast. I mean, I don't know. We're going to talk about this because this is like someone says, oh, it's a Kleenex. Someone says the resolution of the picture says it's a Kleenex.
SPEAKER 07 :
Is it?
SPEAKER 02 :
I don't know. It's kind of hard to see.
SPEAKER 07 :
How many spoons do you use with Kleenex?
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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So a supercomputer reveals the exact date that Elon Musk's doomsday prediction will come true. It's not a prediction. It's just fact. Everybody knows at some point the Earth's going to be destroyed by the sun because very, very gradually the planets are adjusting and getting closer and closer to the sun. That's just something that your vehicle emissions don't contribute to. That's just the state of the way things work in the universe. But researchers from NASA... And Toho University in Japan, they've used supercomputers and mathematical models to forecast what that would look like. And so they suggest that life on Earth will become impossible, impossible by the year. I don't know. It's a very long time into the future. We're looking at like a million years into the future, over a million years into the future before that happens. And it's not because the sun grows hotter and brighter. It's that we get closer to it. Is the issue. So and then you'll have gradually reduced oxygen levels. So I had a smart teacher when I was in junior high that didn't buy into all this BS and actually just told us the facts about it. You know, in actual education, it's pretty amazing how that works. how that works. Let's see here. Oh, bear with me because Safari is a horrible browser and I just lost everything again. It is. How many times do we have this happen? I want to find the people who made Safari and I just want to beat them to death. You know, figuratively speaking, of course. Let's see here. We also, by the way, the released hostage, the American hostage, is officially back in Israel. That came out when we were on break. That was confirmed when we were on break. Also, rich Americans are using their second as the economy falters. Well, they're renting a lot of them out, which makes sense. That's smart. They say the worst time of exercise for a good night's sleep is four or fewer hours before bed. That's what I've heard from every fitness instructor, everybody. They always say you've got to go in the morning because doing it before bed, you're not going to reap as much benefits and it's actually worse for you. A Swedish security chief has resigned over sensitive photos on Grindr. Oopsie. Don't show the sensitive photos. I immediately saw Juan going down to that link. I'm like, no, Juan, no. No, you can't do it. I mean, I'm not surprised. Maybe it's because they're Swedish. I just wasn't. And the guy looks like he's, you know, I mean, see, I don't know. I mean, he's just... I'm not a fan of his face. Anyway, we have a lot more on the way. We get Steven Yates, who's going to be on this second hour. We got a lot to hit him up about. Stick with us. What does living better mean to you? Is it more money, a bigger house? Now think about this. What about how you feel physically every day? Life is so much better when you feel good. When you wake up feeling great, you can do more of the things that you love and you're ready to take on the day. If pain is affecting your life, see how Relief Factor can help change that. Relief Factor is a 100% drug-free daily supplement that helps your body fight pain naturally. Developed by doctors, Relief Factor supports your body's response to inflammation. And it doesn't just mask pain for a short time, it helps to reduce or even eliminate it. and it's safe to take daily. In fact, the longer you take Relief Factor, the more effective it is. Over 1 million people have turned to Relief Factor. Feel better every day, and you'll live better every day. Trying Relief Factor is easy. Get their three-week quick start for only $19.95. That's less than a dollar a day. Call 1-800-4-RELIEF. That's 1-800-4-RELIEF, or visit relieffactor.com.
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In addition, yesterday we achieved a total reset with China after productive talks in Geneva. Both sides now agree to reduce the tariffs imposed after April 2nd to 10 percent for 90 days as negotiators continue on the larger structural issues. And I want to tell you that a couple of things. First of all, that doesn't include the tariffs that are already on. that are our tariffs, and it doesn't include tariffs on cars, steel, aluminum, things such as that, or tariffs that may be imposed on pharmaceuticals because we want to bring the pharmaceutical businesses back to the United States, and they're already starting to come back now based on tariffs.
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We need antibiotics. More production of that in the United States. Too few actually do it. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. That is POTUS just... He had a marathon of a presser this morning. It was a little over an hour. And he was announcing as well more details about this trade agreement with China. And we talked a little bit about that in the first hour just to give you some of the publicly available details. So it's like, what, 10 points above status quo, what it was, 30 percent in place still today. 20 as punitively for fentanyl and then 10 retaliatory. So a lot better than 145. And already markets were responding. I am so hesitant to say like I the mark. I like the markets reacting. But is it? successful for us. So let's ask our very good friend Stephen Yates. You know him. He's on the show regularly. He's a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation. He's a foreign policy expert specifically on China, having worked in not one but two presidential administrations. And he knows where all the bodies are buried. And I actually may not be joking. And he joins us now via video. So good to see you, my friend. And I'm just... I'm not a cynic, and it's not that I doubt the administration's ability to get something done. I just doubt China in all of this. Would you classify this, just I know we're in the early stages of it, as a successful result? so far?
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Well, I would put it this in this way. President Trump is attempting an historic reset with trade, with all of our partners around the world generally, but with a specific priority placed on rebalancing with China. I support that. I think it's very, very important. I think that's a long term initiative. It's not a one and done kind of thing. And if that's the measure of these talks, I don't think that's what they were shooting for, swallowing the elephant in one bite. But some of the overly exuberant ways of talking about it could lead people to believe that's what happened. All we have at the moment is an agreement to start a process. And there was a reset in the sense that there was the phase one trade agreement in Trump 1.0. that the Chinese interlocutors made clear to Secretary Besant that they ignored during the Biden years. And apparently, Team Biden didn't really press them at all. So the Chinese didn't see a reason to uphold it. So we've sort of reset the talks to the baseline where they were left off. at the end of Trump 1.0, plus the fentanyl tariffs, plus this 10%. That's sort of mathematically where we are, but it's kind of an odd thing for the president to start out with a very specific number of 10%, and then to say, but it doesn't count this and it doesn't count that. It's already too complicated for ordinary Americans to understand, other than they should know. This is going to take a long time. China is not known for quick, decisive, transparent, measurable action. We're likely to see delays, frustration, maybe even obfuscation. All those would be really good reality checks to add to the celebration. But I support the idea of trying. I support the idea of opening the talks. I just don't like the idea of trying to say that concluding a joint statement that we're going to talk actually changed anything.
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Now, that's a very good point. And I'm it amazed me when I was reading the Treasury secretary and you alluded to this when they said that, you know, after POTUS left his office after the first term, the Biden administration just chose just not to enforce the agreement. And then the Chinese delegation, quote, basically told us that once Biden came into office, they just ignored their obligations. It that was it just I don't know how that wasn't just top of mind for the Biden administration, because I mean, I don't know why they would have opposed that in any way. It's beneficial for the United States, at least. And it would have been it would have been a nice little victory point for them. And they just chose not to do it.
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Well, in a way, even though I don't have a lot of respect for the source coming from the Chinese side, which is known to say influence more than to inform from time to time. However, it might be one of the more honest expressions of what dealing with the Biden administration was. A lot of Americans now are famously publishing books trying to revise the narrative they tried to sell for four years. But it could be that our adversaries and competitors saw this more clearly from the get-go and were lucky that the Chinese didn't take as bold an action after that assessment as, say, like the Russians did after taking that temperature and then going with a full-scale invasion against a neighbor. So in a way, it might be a little dose of honesty from an unlikely source.
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Yeah. And I saw as well that China was pulling the story up that China is set to apparently unleash their own economic stimulus package. We've talked about their economy before. I don't even know what that would look like with the CCP. That is just more government involvement. What does it even look like? And I don't even think that would that would assist them in this regard.
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Well, there's a lot of layers to what reality is in China economically. In some ways, one of the biggest lies about China is this whole notion of one China because there is no one narrative for reality inside of China. There are hundreds of millions of people whose lives don't reflect what we see in the news, in movies, tech, or whatever else. They've been permanently left behind. Then there's parts of China that are very aggressive and militant. And then there's others that seem kind of entrepreneurial. And it's all mixed up under one giant poo bear known as Xi Jinping. And so we deal with what we have with these guys. But they definitely have banking problems, property market problems, labor shortage problems. I was talking with an expert from inside China today who was saying that they had something in the order of magnitude of, like, 50,000 to 100,000 unfilled manufacturing jobs just in one part of China. And so they have significant structural challenges that this agreement isn't designed to address and won't.
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Yeah. We're Last question on this, and I've got a couple of other things I'd like to ask you. Does this do anything to help tensions perhaps between China and the United States? Because I know a lot of the rhetoric was really ratcheting up every time it went up a couple of percentage points, the tariffs. Does this assist with that at all? And does it mean – do you think it would ever – the Chinese could ever be prevailed upon to do actually anything about fentanyl? Or can they withstand this, you know, the 20 percent extra punitive tariff that's on them as a result of it?
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Well, they can withstand that for a good while, I think. But I think what they were hearing in Geneva was at least a little bit of a confession that this has affected China more than has been reported. And so whether that results in real policy change, It's hard to sort of internalize, but these authoritarian regimes can stomach a lot more pain than the kind of purveyors of hysteria that tend to be in our media. So I think that this move sort of calms a lot of the irrational nerves. on Wall Street. It wouldn't be my first target for trying to soothe things. I would put Main Street way ahead of that. But it's not for nothing to try to calm some of these purveyors of hysteria down. It also puts a little bit of juice on our allies and friends to hurry up and go ahead and conclude your agreements. We're at the beginning and sort of framing things with China. You don't want to wait for that to get too far down the road before you lock in an advantageous deal of your own. And that actually helps us in the long run share that benefit with allies.
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Yeah. Speaking of some of the allies here, you and I have talked quite a bit about India, India-Pakistan tensions. The ceasefire, the latest negotiations that they had, this was towards the end of the week. Talk to us a little bit about what... I don't think that it could threaten to destabilize any kind of favor that we have built up in the Middle East, particularly with the Abraham Accords. But what does this... How is this going to affect U.S. not just interest, but how is this going to affect what we've been trying to do in the Middle East with regards to Iran and Hezbollah and Hamas, et cetera? Now that we have India and Pakistan, which I'm fully I fully believe that India can handle it themselves. It seems like another one of those instances where it's like stay out of their way and let them deal with what they need to deal with.
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Well, you're not wrong to have a little bit of an inkling that what happens in South Asia doesn't stay in South Asia. There are a lot of Indians and Pakistanis who work and reside long-term in the broader Middle East. A lot of these countries that are transforming their economies there are doing so on a workforce that comes from South Asia. And sometimes those agitations don't just stay bottled up in India-Pakistan. And it's never a small thing when two nuclear powers start exchanging missiles, explosions, or other kinds of conflict. There's also the challenge of proliferation, that as these things continue to spiral, that things could get sent to other regions of the world that are destabilizing. So it's not good, but I would say that we have a lot of good capital with Prime Minister Modi. Pakistan has always had governance challenges, but I would put this right back at the feet of Xi Jinping in Beijing. Pakistan is a client state of China in the national security, since they wouldn't have nuclear weapons but for North Korea and Chinese leakage to them. And China very much helps a lot of these conflicts get fueled, whether it's Russia against Ukraine, Iran's proxies against Israel, and of course, Pakistan challenging India. So go back to the source in some ways. Celebrate your trade negotiations for a moment, but never lose sight of where the origin of this chaos really is.
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You brought up something incredibly interesting because over the last, what was it, 20 years, it was reported that we gave 32 billion to Pakistan, 15 billion of it was military aid, and then Pakistan gets pretty much all of its military equipment from China. So we're just basically giving billions of dollars to China.
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That's the old diplomatic memo of we're minting our own currency and trying to buy peace and stability. But when you're dealing with a lot of these unstable areas, it's just money goes and the challenge doesn't ever really seem to move the needle. And so I think that's part of this big reset. If we can rationalize some of these supply chains, rationalize manufacturing in a way that is away from China and away from unreliable partners, it helps our other partners and allies have greater independent capability to balance, contain, and deal with these things. That's the idea. That's the goal. I support that moonshot. I hope it lands.
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Last quick question for you, our good friend Stephen Yates, the plane from from the Qataris. I know it's it would be a temporary loaner. I just am not down for the president of the United States flying on any aircraft that is in possession of an entity that finance the deaths of Americans. Not for it at all. Is this I mean, I would I think that this would worry you.
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Well, so just number one, I don't want there to be a gift from the government of Qatar. But at the same time, I color me extremely jaded that these news stories have a reality life longer than three or four days. I mean, if it turns out that what this is is a Boeing aircraft, and Boeing screwed up on trying to manufacture the new Air Force One, But here's a Boeing aircraft where they screwed up delivering it in final form to Qatar. And it's a matter of something that hasn't even really gone anywhere. And it's coming back. And Air Force One is whatever the president is on. But in terms of security and infrastructure, any vessel is going to get stripped to a skeleton. and replaced with everything. So I'm not actually materially concerned on security on this, because there is no such thing as giving a luxury jet to the president, have it function as Air Force One. But it's just kind of one of those weird things. Is it in the possession of the royal family of Qatar, and are they giving it as a gift? Or is this a plane that never really made it somewhere? I just am not ready to bite on the bait that went out there first yet. But I would concede, It doesn't look good, smell good or sound good.
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Yeah. And it's also crazy that I think what the plan that they commissioned to replace the 40 year old Air Force One. And I get it. You know, you need to redo it. But he like ordered that back in 2018. And it's not even going to be ready till 2029. Didn't they turn it around for Reagan in like five years?
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Well, that part is just thoroughly disgusting to me. And if this story does anything else than just make people sort of choke on the idea that the president of the United States, whatever you think of the individual in the office, should have the most modern, comfortable, and safe aircraft possible ever known to mankind. Full stop. I don't care who it is. And we should make it and we should do it on time. And if we can't do that, we're sort of a sort of a kangaroo country again. That doesn't make any sense to me.
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It's abysmal. We shouldn't be in that position. Stephen Yates at Yates comes. Always appreciate your insight, my friend. It's invaluable. Thank you so much. I hope you have a great rest of your week. Good to see you.
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Thank you, Dana. Take good care. Thank you.
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It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
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So, uh, There was a big fight involving nachos. I can't even believe some of these stories. I'm like, is this seriously an actual story that I'm reading right now? It is. A Florida woman was arrested after an alleged nacho-related attack. Port St. Lucie. It is a domestic incident involving nachos. nachos there's and uh allison swan 39 was in charge with one kind of battery causing bodily harm uh i so wait is she she's a lady and she has a wife i just want to make sure i understand this because sometimes the headlines are not okay so she got into a fight with her significant other and then attacked her partner and shoved hot nachos down her britches oh And the police had to be called. She was described as, quote, drunk. Really? I'm so shocked. I mean, look at she looks totally Tober in her mugshot there. And the after she did that, she barricaded herself in their bedroom. She sounds pretty abusive. Like she beat the other woman, beat her partner and then excuse me, and then shoved. you know, this hot food in her drawers. So, good heavens. Remains of an elderly Florida man was found in a bear days after a deadly attack. 89-year-old Robert Markle. This is so sad. He was found dead around 100 yards from his home. And he had been reported missing. And the disturbances that he reported to police earlier that apparently had been caused by bears. He was in a bear. A bear ate him. Horrible. Third hour next. GoldCo is making it easy to take that first step toward protecting your savings. Just fill out a quick form, no commitment, just free information. And then they'll ship you your free 2025 gold and silver kit straight to your door. No shipping fees, no strings. just a free info kit to help you understand how gold and silver can fit into your financial plan. I'm a big believer in doing your research, and this kit is a great place to start. So I'm really excited to be partnering with Goldco because not only do they support my show, which I truly appreciate, but they've made the whole process of buying precious metals Super straightforward. Because if you're a fan of the show, Gold Co. is also going to tell you how to qualify for unlimited free bonus silver on eligible orders. If you qualify, you can even get a free half ounce silver Ronald Reagan coin. Totally free. Don't wait. Take that first step towards protecting and diversifying your savings with Gold Co. Visit danalikesgold.com to learn more. That's danalikesgold.com.
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End quote. The Trump administration is insisting on trying to create their own preferred version of reality. They say Ukraine attacked Russia instead of the other way around. And expect us to believe it. At home, they attack heroes who have defended our nation in war and against cyber attacks as traitors.
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So Al Gore, he's alive still. Who knew? He kind of reminds me of, Al Gore reminds me of Britain's Prince Andrew. In a way. Not just because of the jowls, but just the overall vibe. Welcome back to the program, Dana Lashley, at the top of this third hour. So I don't know why he... Al Gore was not a prolific fundraiser, and I don't even know why he's out there... Even like why they even have him speaking at all. But there he is. And he's his soundbite there that you just heard. He's essentially arguing that Trump, when he looks at Trump, he sees parallels to early Nazi Germany. And I just think that people need to stop going back to the Nazi will just because they don't like somebody's policies or they don't like their politics. It doesn't mean that they're a Nazi. But it does mean that he's a giant pervert who once apparently asked a masseuse to release his inner chakra. Winky, winky. That's so gross. Can you imagine? Yeah. I can't stand Al Gore. I think he's just one of the dumbest people. He was a tobacco farmer. Wasn't his family tobacco farmers? That's like where his money came from. Anyway, so I'm not a fan. And his wife, I will forever dislike, Tipper Gore, because she was the reason that they started putting explicit lyrics labels on albums and why so many people had a hard time going and purchasing music. And I worked at a record store for a while when I was in school, and that was really fun to... You know, after all of that, I that was like I was in elementary school when that all happened, when that originally happened. Remember, she was like the ultimate Karen. She was the woman who went out there and was like, oh, this music. And so I just don't like the gores at all. Any of them. I'm not a fan of any of them. I don't even know why he's. I mean, Bill Clinton doesn't even give as many remarks as Al Gore does. I don't know. I guess he's got. Guess he's got got to pay for those massages somehow. Anyway, that's so gross. I made myself sick. I actually could just vomit all over this mic. That's so horrible. He's so gross. So a few things still to come that we have to touch on. Can we hit we have some. Well, it's not really a red state rhino ism story, but it is a rhino story. I have some red state rhino ism. But one little story that I want to touch on, and there are a few folks that have been, there's a story up at Ammo Land about this. So you guys heard about the Hearing Protection Act, right? So the Hearing Protection Act was legislation that is supposed to stop classifying suppressors as NFA, National Firearms Act items, right? And apparently a congressman out of Tennessee named David Kustoff, K-U-S-T-O-F-F, is pushing not to have the suppressors removed as an NFA item. He just wants the tax stamp lowered. He just wants a $5 tax stamp. So he doesn't want to remove suppressors from the NFA. He just wants it to be a $5 tax stamp instead. And that actually could kill all of this because I don't know why they have – why suppressors are so regulated. And the people, the lawmakers who talk about them, they sound like the stupidest people in the world when they talk about these suppressors. It's a little asinine. But I have no idea why this guy is trying to fight having them removed off of that. Like if you – And over in Europe, you can't hunt without them. You're considered completely gauche and horrible and a fud. That's what you're considered if you go over there and you hunt without them. And so here it's called HPA, the Hearing Protection Act. It's still in the House Ways and Means Committee. And the person holding it up is David Kostoff. So the tax stamp is 200 currently. So he would just lower it to five dollars and not remove them from the NFA, which was established in 1934. And it would not remove all of the other stuff either. I don't even know why they're trying to water this down. It doesn't make any sense. And there's a lot of lobbying that's being done. With with regards for this, with regards to this. So I don't know. I it just I'm not I'm not quite sure why they're trying to fight this so bad. But to even it doesn't remove them the language from it doesn't remove it from the NFA entirely. And you still have a five dollar tax team. So, I mean, how is that? Oh, so you're paying what? One hundred and ninety five dollars less. That's supposed to completely make the abridgment of your freedoms. OK. I don't know. There's a lot of stuff that's happening. And the red state rhinoism or the rhinoism in particular, it's not just... I mean, they're not just coming from blue states or purple states either. I mean, this is a Tennessee representative. And if you're pushing to not have the NFA not apply to this entirely, then what is the purpose? You think that that's going to be enough for people? Oh, well, I'm so glad I don't have to ask the government for permission. I'll just pay $5 instead of $200. That's a good trade. It's not a good trade at all. And I don't know what his I don't know what this guy's motivation is for doing this. Trying to water this down. I mean, this will be the closest that they ever get to it ever. So if it doesn't if it doesn't work, I mean, I just don't see it happening in our lifetime. I really don't at this point. So lowering the fee instead of totally removing it from the NFA is asinine. That's an anti that's a gun grabber position. So this is something that we're going to keep an eye on. And I will have a piece coming out over at my Substack, chapter and verse, which you should subscribe to if you don't already. I will have something over there for you on that so you can watch that as well. Also, did you guys notice something about Mother's Day this past weekend? That it was called Mother's Day? And I did not hear anything about birthing persons. Where did that go? It's almost like the people pushing it realized after the fact that it was bad and maybe they shouldn't do it. And it made a lot of women angry. Right. Because that was a big thing. Just literally the last Mother's Day, they were still pushing this. Remember how you had the World Health Organization and all of these other entities. And they were saying, oh, it's birthing person's day. And they were using that language. And now it's gone. It's like the earth is healing. The pendulum is swinging back. That was something that I noticed. I didn't see that mentioned at all. I didn't realize it until late yesterday evening. I was like, wait a minute. We're not inundated with... all of the stuff about birthing persons. It's interesting. So that quickly, I think they finally sort of realized it. I really do think the push for all of that is kind of dead. I really do. I mean, at least I hope it stays that way. It seems like it is. A few other things to touch on. I needed to get to this from earlier. This was a piece that Town Hall had The Labor Department admits hundreds of thousands of Biden jobs were fake. We knew that a lot of them were. But they had said, and this came out this morning, that the Biden administration claimed that they added 400,000 jobs between July through September of last year. But again, new data that was released just this past week shows that none of them ever existed. This is the second time this has happened. None of them existed. And we've seen under the previous administration, they kept saying, oh, no, no, no, no. We're creating jobs. And they had these estimates that were, as we've noted, very quietly. And the days that followed revised down. So they said that that these jobs particularly, because you have BLS, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that comes out with these reports every month. And they look at the estimate of the number of non-farm payrolls. They look at the revisions for the last couple of months. And they said under the previous administration, these were all like super abnormal, right? And the monthly job reports, they're compiled from a survey of over 600,000 businesses, et cetera, et cetera. Anyway, long story short, yeah, they were made up. We knew that. We knew that these jobs were fake. We knew that. And again, second time that this is happening. Remember last year, the middle of last year, when they kept saying that they added all these new jobs and instead of adding 800,000 jobs, we actually shed like about 200,000 of them. They just made up tons of stuff. I mean, it makes you wonder how real was anything under the Biden administration because they spent $2 billion trying to gaslight you. They spent $2 trying to gaslight you about stuff with the effort at misinformation. Remember the Ministry of Misinformation and all of this. Now we're seeing that this is extended far beyond that. There was nothing organic or real. At all in the last administration. None of them. We also had a couple of things as well. We were talking about the Democrats and the riots, the storming of that Newark Center. There's a story related that I wanted to make sure that I got as well, which... I was I was reliable. I was told we were all told that that was that kind of behavior is insurrection. But apparently, I don't know. I guess it's different because it's Democrat. Also different. Democrat. Remember the Spivell in story. So this was maybe like six months ago. We were talking about the relationship that the Kelly's and, you know, Mark Kelly, he's a senator for. Well, he's a former astronaut, now senator. His he had this relation to a company that was essentially a spy balloon company that was funded by China. Well, now this latest headline, former astronaut Mark Kelly started the spy balloon company that's funded by China. More information is coming out about it. The reason why he came up because during the last. I guess when Harris was picking her VP, they were thinking about incorporating Mark Kelly under this. Remember? Now they've had all of this documentation come out proving beyond any questionable doubt that he was involved at this level. I still feel like they're trying to make this guy a thing. Mark Kelly out of Arizona. Or am I being too... Am I... Because he keeps coming up. His name keeps coming up and they keep going to him for like fundraisers and different things like that. And that's why I really feel like that needs this needs to be kept on the table, because as you know, one of the things that the Democrat Party is doing is I think they're trying to establish who their bench is going to be, at least going forward. So they have some they can stake a claim on fundraising, et cetera, et cetera. This needs to all I think we need to mention the story at least once a week that it's beyond any shadow of a doubt that this dude like was in business with the CCP with a literal spy balloon company. The senator and he's been trying to read kind of reinvent himself as a moderate as well. I almost get the sense that they're trying to maybe he's on a short list for like a Newsom VP when he runs in 2028. The Wall Street Journal broke this story all the way back in 2021. Back in 2024, Fox had a report on it. as well and uh now they have like pdfs of certain documentation floating around on social media etc i just i think if you're in business with the ccp i just don't think that you should be disqualified from holding any elected office in the united states why are you in business with a major geopolitical foe of the united states that unleashed a virus that shut down the world killed a lot of people and then to say nothing of the fentanyl that they allow to just seep in They deliver to Mexico and seeps across our border. As we move, our partners that bring you the program, our friends over at Kel-Tec, great company, great all-American company. They got the PR57, the rotary barrel pistol, the lightest 5.7 on the market, 40% lighter than competition. It's perfect for concealed carry. You can actually really concealed carry this 5.7. It's awesome. 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So three teenagers kidnapped, allegedly, kidnapped a wealthy man at gunpoint, drove him to a remote Arizona desert and stole $4 million of his cryptocurrency fortune in a sinister plot. Austin Fletcher, Bilal Ashraf, both 16. They're from Pasco County, Florida. They teamed up with a third unidentified teenager who's remained anonymous. They had their hearing Friday, just this last Friday. The third teenager is no longer in the States. They don't know where he is. But, yeah, they're going to face charges as adults. And it includes robbery, kidnapping, and extortion. Because, see, it's only extortion if the government doesn't do it. Now, if they were IRS agents, that would be totally okay. Just saying. Maybe they have a future at the IRS. It sounds like they're getting a really bright start at it, Cain. You know, really, they are. Let's see. I don't even know where this town is. This is in New York. Cohoes? Near Albany? Okay. A resident reportedly had to restrain a chainsaw-wielding man in a clown mask. The guy was arrested because police got calls about two dudes fighting in the street. And apparently one of the men was walking down the street wearing a clown mask, brandishing a chainsaw. And when a neighbor goes, what are you doing? He came towards the resident menacingly with the chainsaw. And then the resident restrained him until the police arrived. Yeah, it seems like he had ill intent. Just going to jump out of it. It seemed like he had some ill intent.
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It wasn't a kid's birthday party he was going to?
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The chat is at Rumble, channel 347, DirecTV is where you can also find the stream. And don't forget, we're at Substack, chapter and verse the newsletter. So POTUS, I want to talk about this plane thing for a second because Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is happening with Boeing. These planes are, Air Force One is 35 years old. Now, that plane, I don't know. Like things break over time, right? I mean, I don't know. I just got some questions. When Trump first made the deal with Boeing about this 2018, he was in his first term. That's when he had ordered apparently two planes from Boeing. That was about $3.9 billion because the planes that we have, the pair of them are 35 years old, actually over 35 years old. Now, I don't understand how this happens. These planes were supposed to be completed and delivered, I think, what, 2021 and 2024. Apparently, they are so far behind that maybe 2029 is when they're done. And they're over budget already. In order to continue building them, Boeing wanted several billion dollars more. This was after they had already agreed to the $3.9 billion price tag that had been negotiated back in 2018. And this was all because, you know, Qatar had suggested they would allow use of one of their planes temporarily. And I... Don't agree with some of the remarks that some folks have had. Well, taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for it. So let's use the Qatari plane. And I just think regardless, I like what Yates said when he was on with this last hour that they'd strip it all down anyway. But still, the optics are bad. The issue is, why is it taking Boeing so long? So back when these when the current planes were first commissioned, that was like what under Reagan. Right. And that was in I think it was eighty five. I think that was in 1985 when it was first commissioned because the first test flight, it's a Boeing VC-25A. Yeah, it was commissioned in 85. The aircraft itself was built in 1986. It was first flown in 1987. By the way, when you Google something, actually, I pulled this up because I Googled this this morning. It gives you a little AI summary. I don't know if I like that because I want to double check it. So I did. All of this, by the way, is taken from a couple of things. This is, well, Boeing. It's the Boeing thing. And then it's also history link and a couple of other Britannica, a couple of other things. But it was. they built it. So they, a year after it was commissioned, they built it. They did the first test flight in early 1987. And then it was actually like delivered in 1990. So that was five years. Reagan had ordered these planes to replace the 707s that they had. Now Trump commissioned, this was a 747 that Trump commissioned in 2018. So I've got some questions here. And why is it taking them this long? Why is it taking them this long to do this? I mean, this is... Reagan announced the Air Force intent to purchase two new wide-body jets to replace the aging VC-137s, Boeing 707s. 86, Boeing was awarded the contract to build the 747s. 1987, the first one of the new 747s, which is now the current Air Force One, that's when it first flew, was in 87. 1990... The first of the two new ones, it was the VC-25A that was delivered and deployed. And then the older aircraft were retired between 1998 and 2001. I actually have been aboard the ones that Reagan retired at the Reagan Library out in Simi Valley. I was actually – I took a tour of that jet. And – Yeah, when you look at that jet and you look at me being only a – I am a plane person in so much as Katy Perry is an astronaut. Yeah, there are some obvious differences that non-versed people can see, right? But – and I'm not just talking about the decor. I mean like with the equipment and some of the operations, et cetera. But they're – I mean they're huge. They're really wild to tour. But five years. Five years. Five years. why is it taking why is now Boeing saying it could be 10 years before they have this thing done maybe 10 years may at the earliest again he commissioned this in 2018 at the earliest 2029 that's 11 years and now it may take longer what in the world by that time it's going to be outmoded why is it caner what are you saying why is it taking that long
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I was just, I just thought it was, I was curious because it's weird considering that, you know, we've been to the moon, but now they're saying we can't go to the moon with even more advanced technology than we had back then. And it's almost like this, like, okay, in the 80s, we were building planes at five years for, you know, Air Force One. Now it's Tet, but we have better technology nowadays. So why does, what is happening? Why is this the only industry that seems like moving backwards?
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That is the million-dollar question, is it not? The million-dollar question. That is a good point. Why is that? I mean, I... This whole thing, I'm just... It's shocking. It's incredibly shocking that it takes this long. And so now you kind of... That's, you know, the reason why, you know, we're in this situation and we've got the Qataris. And I think that that's like... That, to me, isn't that kind of a bigger story? I mean, that Boeing... was supposed to have these planes done and I think delivered by last year. And now they're so behind schedule. They said that it was supplier engineering and manufacturing issues. And you had L3 Harris that is over, they were commissioned by the government to overhaul this thing apparently that was formerly used by Cutter's government as like an interim temporary thing. They've been a contractor to Boeing before. They've worked on communication systems, etc. They've actually worked on some stuff for the replacement ones for Air Force One, too. I guess they're competing to be a big supplier for the Pentagon. It's a company that's growing really quickly. They are obviously a lot smaller comparably to Boeing. I think they have like a third of their revenue. But I'm just shocked that it's... that this is taking as long as it is and this is one of the things like with our military they've had these issues too with them and and and these sorts of these like manufacturing delays and by the time they get stuff it's like entirely outmoded and i i'm just i don't know they so they said that I think this was around the elections in November. There was a Boeing representative that signaled to federal officials that the manufacturer that Boeing, and I think this was over at Wall Street Journal. So Wall Street Journal has this story. They were saying that someone said that maybe 2029 at the earliest, but other Boeing representatives, when they were talking to federal officials, they were saying that it would be around 2035 when... They would be able to do it and they said that they have been struggling with and this is again per Wall Street Journal the plane's complicated wiring says this piece complicated wiring and structural issues including some related to holes for doors cut into the lower lobes of the aircraft. I just feel like that is a problem that should have been easily solved. I think what in the world is what is this nonsense? What is this is crazy. So that's the struggle? That's the struggle, boss? Is this? They're working with some of the, I'm just curious as to how this is different than any of the other ones. Now, there's a, this is on CNN, but our Air Force, and CNN had this piece about, where they talked about their stealth fighter, the Frankenjet, that they stitched together. So they had two F-35s that were wrecked in accidents, and they're now on duty and combat ready. These two jets crashed in the span of three years, and the U.S. Air Force turned around and rebuilt them, and now they're back in action. Okay, so what is the holdup? What am I missing here? I am stunned. Now, Lorraine goes, to be fair, Boeing is the company having problems with door plugs falling out of the aircraft in the air. Oh, yeah. Now, do you think, and I've heard this floated before, is the Qatari plane threat just a way to put pressure on Boeing? Do you think that that could be part of it?
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You mean the Trump administration? I mean, it could be part of it. I mean, we've had now at least three years with Boeing tragically in the news, whether it be, you know, for failures of their equipment or the whistleblower who just got.
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I mean, I'm just curious. How is it that the Air Force, per this piece, can take and stitch together a Franken jet from two crashed F-35s? like just a little over two years, and they put them back, they deploy them again. But Boeing can't go in to existing jets and deal with like wiring and whatever modifications are required.
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Yeah, that's why I don't believe it. We know things have improved since the 80s in regards to manufacturing and everything else. So I don't buy it.
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I think it's becoming a question, do you trust Boeing? And Boeing, this is like an all-American, it's like an all-American company. When you think of American companies, that's one of the ones that I think always comes up with people. And I don't like iconic American things being viewed so horribly. But in this instance, I mean, it's deserved. What the hell is happening there? What the hell is happening with that plastic white bag of powder? That McCrone hid. Can we play this video? So now Lorraine says it's a tissue. Kane goes, what's in the tissue? Kane is unconvinced.
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Yeah, at first I thought it was a baggie because it looks like when you see it, it has like a base to it.
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So this is the video. Juan's getting ready to go. It's a John's France press in this tiny little room.
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And there it is. At the head of the table, you see it right next to that glass. It's right there by the glass. There's a spoon, too, that gets grabbed up by the taller guy.
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And then you have Macron, you have Keir Starmer. So it's still sitting there. All of a sudden, Macron sees it and goes, oh, boom, boom. I don't think it's cocaine. I don't know. I don't think it's that. There are different photos that have been published that it looks like it is a tissue. I just can't imagine. And the other photos that I've seen, I'm like, okay, yeah, I can see what it is now. Kane's like, what's in the tissue?
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But if it's not my tissue, I'm not touching it.
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Well, isn't that where Macron was sitting? Was it?
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I don't know. But all I know is I'm not stuffing a weird, not knowing where it came from tissue in my pocket.
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Because clearly they had water that they were drinking and they were sitting there. I am not one to defend any of these stooges, but I'm just saying.
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And Juan, didn't you take a screenshot of it and a little zoom in on the whole thing, you think? Because the video's a little blurry, but okay, I'll concede it's a tissue, right? Because I originally thought it was a bag of white powder.
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It's like a napkin or a tissue is what it is.
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Yeah, but there's something in that damn tissue.
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And then Merz is the other guy. He hides the spoon. And the joke is supposed to be that Zelensky is a known cocaine enthusiast. And that nobody explained anything. I don't know. They were on a train. They were in Ukraine. And this was just a couple of days ago. So and he takes it.
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I don't think I just don't think that coincidence that cocaine rhymes with train.
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I think that if they were if that's what it was, I don't think that they would have invited cameras with anything still left on the table. I mean, they might be idiots, but they're not like that stupid. I mean, at least those two.
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I was willing to believe the drama, though. You're just kind of ruining it for me, actually.
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Oh, believe me. I want to believe every conspiracy theory that I hear about them. I want to believe that his that Macron's wife is a man and that's a wig. And I want to believe all these things. But, you know, I just I don't have I just sometimes I just get tired and I'm like, I don't have enough energy. Like, it's hot in Texas today. I know I complain about it being cold all this week, but now I'm going to complain about it being hot.
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Like, this sounds hot.
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Huh?
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You know what? It's going to be Wednesday.
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Yeah, it's going to be lava. Yeah. Officially a lava. Yeah, it's going to be where our spring is dead. We are already yeeted into the 90s. So long story short, I don't think it's they look always cracked out. I mean, McCrone has just short little eyelids. I don't know. He's got giant. He just looks like a guy's all like naturally tweaked anyway. And Keir Starmer's a socialist, so he's weird-looking because of that. I think that ideology affects your face, so I don't know. He looks weird anyway. Our friends over at Super Beats, a great Texas-based company, and they make a lot of really good stuff. But with Super Beats, you guys are familiar with the Heart Shoes. Super Marine, a lot of people are talking about healthy metabolism issues. and supporting healthy blood sugar. And this is where Superberine comes in. It's plant-based, doctor-formulated. It has a unique form of berberine and Italian fruit extract that gives it an additional level of antioxidant cardiovascular support. And the berberine is unique. It's been clinically studied to deliver nearly 10 times higher absorption than standard berberine. It's highly concentrated, so you get all these benefits in just one easy-to-swallow capsule a day. And the grapeseed extract that's included in the Super Brewing, that provides for greater tolerability if you're concerned about any potential GI distress. Visit Sam's Club and restock your heart health support with Super Beats Heart Shoes and expand your routine with new Super Brewing for healthy metabolism and blood sugar support. Start today and get on the road to better cardiovascular health support.
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One of the things that I just came across my feed is that Abbott, Texas Governor Greg Abbott, announced that the state apparently halted the construction of Epic City. And that was that 400 and something acre residential development that was going to be Islamic centered. And I think they were going to have like a mosque and I don't know what type of schools or whatever they were supposed to have, but no other details about it. But that's apparently what there were. I think there were questions about. Well, what the left always focuses on, like inclusion, et cetera, things of that nature. And also financing and making sure that it was all economically above board, which that kind of, it's sort of suggesting that it wasn't. I don't know. We'll look into it a little bit more tomorrow. In the meantime, today in Stupidity Cane.
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And Juan, this is Cut 24. It's Al, release my chakra gore. Sickening to even say it out loud. But this is what he says in cut 24. Listen to this.
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End quote. The Trump administration is insisting on trying to create their own preferred version of reality. Really? They say Ukraine attacked Russia instead of the other way around.
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That's not what they say.
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And expect us to believe it. At home, they attack heroes who have defended our nation in war and against cyber attacks as traitors.
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Okay. Essentially, he's trying to draw the parallel between early Nazi Germany and the Trump administration, which is something the Democrats do ad nauseum.
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Based on what?
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Yeah, exactly.
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In this engaging episode of The Good News, Angie Austin brings Chuck and Ashley Elliott on board to discuss effective strategies in managing anger within family dynamics. The conversation provides practical tips on identifying triggers and implementing consistent, transformative habits for maintaining peace and understanding in the household, all while sharing personal anecdotes and encouraging listeners to form healthier routines to foster a more harmonious family life.
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Welcome to the Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with the Good News, here's Angie.
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Hello there, the Good News with Angie Austin and Jim Stovall. Today we are talking about his Winner's Wisdom column, and this week it's titled Consistency. Welcome, Jim.
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Hey, it is always great to be with you.
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So, you had a good weekend?
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I had a great weekend, and, you know, I always thank God it's Friday, and then... Then I thank God it's Monday. You know, the weekends are just about right.
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I love that. All right, so what are you teaching us this weekend in the article titled Consistency?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, we don't succeed based on what we can do for an hour or a day or a week or even a month. We succeed based on what we can do over a long period of time. And we need to always remember in the fable about the tortoise and the hare that The turtle wins. And, you know, it's hard for us to keep that in our mind because we're constantly bombarded with, you know, you can lose 80 pounds, be a millionaire and find your true love by a week from Tuesday. And those messages come to us in ads and cable TV and on the Internet and everywhere else. And it just doesn't work. And we grew up with this adage that practice makes perfect. Just practice and you'll be perfect. Practice does not make perfect. Practice makes you consistent. If you practice something wrong, you will reinforce that and you will consistently do it wrong. When I became a weightlifter and I started training for eventually becoming an Olympic weightlifting champion, but when I first started training with my coach, we didn't lift weights. He gave me a broomstick. And for the first eight weeks, I did nothing but work on technique. Wow. Just with this broomstick. Wow. And, you know, I complained. I said, Jake, why do we have to do this? And he said, son, the time to find out you're doing it wrong is not when you're holding 500 pounds over your head. Let's learn with the broomstick. And, you know, then when I found out how to lift weights properly, I can remember working out in a number of gyms and places with serious athletes and weightlifters, and it was amazing to watch how many of them did the exercises improperly. And the more you do that, the more you're going to reinforce doing it wrong. And so it's important when you start doing something, make sure you're doing it right and make sure you do it consistently, but the thing you want to do. And then it's a matter of what can you live with long-term. Everybody goes on these scorched earth budgets where they don't spend a dime or the subsistence diet where they're going to eat 800 calories and lose weight. And, you know, those work for about two or three weeks until you get sick of everything in the world, and then you end up being more broke and more overweight than you were before. You know, really, it's not a matter of what can you do short term. It's a matter of what can you live with for the rest of your life. And those are the differences that really are plausible for most people.
SPEAKER 06 :
boy, what a smart trainer because you think about, you know, I even ask you if you have pains because, you know, an Olympic weightlifter, I just assumed that you'd had back surgery and knee surgery and, you know, all these things. And you said you're relatively pain-free, which for an athlete, for you to not have the serious injuries from being a professional weightlifter is kind of mind-boggling.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I feel very fortunate. I mean, you know, I'm 65 years old and now I don't lift weights like I used to, but, uh, Today, a good workout for me is getting my luggage into the overhead bin on the aircraft. I feel pretty good about that. But, no, it's, you know, and I do work out still. But the workout I do now, I laugh sometimes. That was a good warm-up before we started, you know, back at the day. But, hey. you know, I do different things now.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Things changed. Uh, but yeah, I do think about all the people who do have back injuries. I mean, I think my husband who's really tall, I think he, um, doing squats for his back and he said he knew the moment he did it, that he heard something. So he too sees kids in the gym and he's like, Oh my gosh, you're going to regret that later. Like, but you know, people aren't always open to, you know, advice when they're working out. That's for sure. So fortunately you had a good trainer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And, uh, For those listening that may want to try something new, I work out now instead of with weights with these bands, these rubber band things. They're giant. And I find that I can do the same muscle exercises, but you don't put the strain on your joints like you did with weights. And the amazing thing is when you lift weights, the closer you get to full extension, the easier it is. With the bands, the closer you get to fully extended, the harder it gets, and it gives you a better workout. It's really amazing technology, and you can go online. There's a lot of places to look at it, but if someone's going to make a mistake in how they work out, I'd much rather them be doing it with a rubber band than... than a lot of weight that they can't control.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, if that doesn't sell you, I'm sure a lot of people know Tom Brady used his bands and did when he was, you know, the top of his game as a quarterback. And he has a book out that explains how to use the bands or how he used them. And I think some of his diet as well. But anyway, I bought the bands for maybe $10. You can get stronger ones if you want. Jim would use a thicker band than I would use. I found a couple that I really like. I think I told you I try to walk. It used to be 10,000 steps a day. I'd say maybe I'm 8,000. Anyway, when I walk, I use the bands above my head and do my shoulders. I work my arms. I don't really walk at the fastest clip, but I'm getting resistance training for my upper body while I'm walking and working my lower body.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and when you go on a trip, I mean, I can throw my bands into my carry-on, and they're a little tiny. I mean, it doesn't take up any room, and that's my whole workout. And, you know, I know people that try to be disciplined and go to the gym, and if that works, you know, hey, God bless you, it's wonderful. But for most people, you know, three or four days a week to just... Get changed, leave the house, drive somewhere, work out, clean up, come home. You know, just that process. Forget the workout. Just the commute back and forth makes it impractical. And with my bands, I have no excuse. I do them in the morning while I'm listening to motivational things I listen to in the morning. And there's just no excuse. I don't even know how to listen to audio in the morning without... work in a band one way or the other yeah yeah it just becomes that that habit that million dollar habit they talk about of things that you know improve your life all right what else do you want us to learn from consistency well i you know success leaves footprints and you need to you know if you want to get to the top of the mountain don't ask someone standing at the bottom what their opinion is ask someone coming down from the top and when you meet successful people You know, just ask, what's your morning routine? What are you reading these days? Or what matters to you? If you were starting over today, what would you do? And start to form those kind of habits. And don't take advice from people that don't have what you want. Or don't ask directions from someone that hasn't been where you want to go. And if you'll keep those things in mind, then you'll be practicing the right things. Because practice of the wrong things will just reinforce that into your life. But practicing the right things can just change everything in the future.
SPEAKER 06 :
And we've talked, too, about that consistency and muscle memory in the article you talk about. In the cockpit, you hear the pilots go through their routine and checking items off on a list. And I know from one of my college communication courses how they say things twice to make sure that they heard it correctly. They repeat the instructions that they've been given as they're in the air to make sure that they didn't mishear something. And then when you talk about that muscle memory, we've talked about like my kids. And you said if you get on the free throw line, even though you're blind, that you can hit free throw after free throw because it's such muscle memory. And, you know, with one of my kids being a basketball player, you know, she works on that all the time. And I don't know if you've been watching the Nuggets play at all because last night.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
There's a really good shooter, Gobert, but he misses his free throws. And, like, it doesn't make sense to me. I'm like, how can – I mean, those guys on that – I mean, I'm, of course, a Nugget fan. But those guys on that Timberwolf team, I can't believe how many of them are good shooters. But how can you shoot a three, but you can't shoot a free throw? But that whole muscle memory thing we've talked about, like, he's never gotten it down, I guess.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and it's funny being here in Oklahoma. I'm a fan of the Oklahoma City Thunder, and they played Denver quite often. I mean, I've heard our announcers say about Gobert, when he's hitting those three-point shots, would somebody just foul him? Because if you foul him, he's going to miss the free throws. But if you leave him out there, he's going to hit that three-point shot. And why that's possible is just beyond me. I just cannot imagine it. But the But somehow he has gotten into that mold, and it's hard to imagine. But if we're going to succeed, we have to have the right habits. And the better you can do it, you just don't even think about it. I was writing a scene for one of my novels the other day, and I told one of the ladies, tell me everything you do when you get in your car to drive out of your driveway. Well, you just get in, and you back out, and you go into the street. Well, no, you don't. I mean, I don't drive, but I know you've got to put the key in and you've got to put it in reverse and you've got to look behind you. And she said, oh, yeah, yeah, I never think about all that stuff. And it's amazing to me that I ride around all day every day with people who are going 60 miles an hour and they're not thinking about it. They don't think about it. But that's where we perform at our best is when we get everything done. But, you know, when you think about when you're getting ready in the morning, you're getting dressed and doing all your stuff. If somebody interrupts your morning routine or something's moved or you have to go look for something, all of a sudden it's hard to get back into. And, you know, you may get out of the house without your shoes on because you're not used to thinking about, I've got to put my shoes on. And those are the kind of things when you can make everything a habit that really, really matters to you. It's going to be great. And, by the way, it works with your spouse, with your kids too. Get in the habit of never leaving your house without telling people that you love them. And, you know, people say, well, doesn't that get boring? Well, I don't know. I mean, Crystal and I will be married 43 years next month, and I'm not bored yet. So, you know, the time to tell your spouse you love them is before somebody else does.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, yes. You know, when you talk about that routine, I was just listening to somebody about making, you know, very good decisions to be successful financially and in life and talks about the fewer decisions you can make, the less time you spend, you know, thinking about decisions and the more routine you have in your life. It just is less taxing on your brain and frees you up for with energy for the big decisions. If you automatically work out, like you said, if you automatically eat healthy things, if you automatically say, I love you when you leave the house, you automatically check the lights and your rear view mirror before you leave in your car. But a lot of these things that many of us that don't have a routine, I'm bad about establishing routines. We spend a lot of time thinking about, oh, should I get up and walk the dogs or should I do this or do that? Whereas if I had a routine and I did specific things every day at approximately the same time or at least follow that pattern in the morning, it would lead to a more successful life, I believe, with these routines. And I think with kids who are students, you know, one thing I think I lacked in was really overseeing them with a study routine, like forcing it upon them. Because I was so self-motivated as a student, I didn't really... put a routine on them per se but routines definitely lead to I think a higher level of success in life.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh absolutely and if you look at the people that are and you read the biographies of the great people who've developed thoughts whether it's Sir Isaac Newton or Albert Einstein or Henry Ford or Thomas Edison they had a tendency to be very habitual people. It was Edison who basically had seven or eight suits that were identical, and he would just wear the next one every day. And he would go to the same restaurant, order the same thing every day. And it wasn't that he was boring. It was simply he had a million things on his mind, and he didn't think about those mundane things. So I'm not advocating you don't think about what you eat or what you wear. What I am saying is the more you can take the decisions out of your hands... You know, like we've done here in America. You get up in the morning, you brush your teeth. And there's just no question about it. You brush your teeth. And, you know, you don't have to think about it. It just happens at a certain point in the routine. And the more you can put on autopilot the things that will make you successful, the better you are. That's why I always tell people you should invest on an automatic withdrawal. Don't even think about it. It comes out of your account every month, and it goes into the investment account.
SPEAKER 05 :
I love that.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, that way you make one good decision one time. You don't have to make a thousand decisions. You make one. And you have to actively do something to not invest. And that's where you really start to have success, when you can just put it on autopilot.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, yes. All right, jimstervall.com. Steve Jobs did that, too, with the black turtleneck and the jeans for the same thing every day. Thank you, friend. Thank you.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
Hey there, friend. Angie Austin here with the good news. The good news, Chuck and Ashley Elliott are joining us again. And their book is I Used to Be, How to Navigate Large and Small Losses in Life and Find Your Path Forward. And you guys also do a lot of work with families, couples in particular, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, we do. We do a lot of marriage coaching. And something cool about it is we get to meet with couples, the both of us, Chuck and Ashley, together with a couple. So all four of us sit down and work through things.
SPEAKER 06 :
I love that. Does that work pretty well, having the husband and wife with the husband and wife?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, it seems like people like to have both people's perspectives, so they don't just get a woman ganging up, two women ganging up on the guy, or two guys ganging up on the girl.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I actually like that. It's a great idea. It's a great business model, too. It's like, look, you want to work with a guy, you want to work with a gal, here we are, you get two for the price of one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep, yep, and you make a lot more progress, we find, because you get a man's point of view on it, and we find that, oh, I can see something maybe in the session that Ashley wouldn't have seen if it would have just been her, and then vice versa as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, last time we spoke, I wanted to talk about anger. I've got a couple of friends who are dealing with anger and anger issues involving whether it be their teenagers or reactions from the parents. We have that in our own house. I'm not proud to admit this, but we are a bit of a yelling family. I don't know where it came from because... I did grow up in a really dysfunctional family. My husband did not. He yells. My mom lives here. She yells. The kids yell. And I won't yell right away, but my husband's like a lighter. He can go off immediately. It takes me longer for my lighter to go off, but eventually I will. And we've got three teenagers in the house, so... It's an interesting dynamic with the five pets, the three kids, the mother-in-law, and my husband who runs a startup company. So he's under a lot of stress. So, yeah, let's talk a little bit about that.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's all in your house? Yes. That's all in your house. Wait a second. How many animals and how many kids? Say that again, please.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. We have three teenagers, 15, 16, almost 17, and 18. They're all in high school. They're all in club sports, so we travel a lot. And my mom, who's 82, she's a handful. I guess when I heard the kids doing – my son was doing vocabulary words, and here's the total definition of me and my mom. He goes, oh, I know what pessimist is. Okay, mom's an optimist and grandma's a pessimist. So – That's my mom. And then she's real friendly, but she's a little bit of a sour egg. I give her three minutes to complain a day. I set like a timer. And then my husband, who's wonderful, high energy, really involved with the kids. But we all know he's a hothead. So I'll even reach my hand to the back seat and do that calm down motion with my hands where I'm trying to tell them to be quiet. Because if he yells, then they yell. And then he yells louder. And then they yell louder. And it's a lot. especially if you're in the car with them. So I always try to, I'm trying to teach them, like, that's not the time to challenge your dad. You have to talk to your dad when he's calm. You cannot do it now. Like, watch how mommy does it. And then I'll be like, all right, well, let's just, you know, and then I try to like, you know, calm the water. So I know a lot of people with teens and with kids like you guys, you know, that it can get very heated. We have a great life, but there's a lot of moving parts.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. And the, the yelling oftentimes escalates things. So it's again, like we're trying to deescalate and I hear that, that you're saying you're like putting your hand back saying, okay, let's bring it down because we don't want things to get out of control or to feel tense in our family. So one of the tools that we use, we actually have a worksheet for this, but we try to just really help people build awareness. And so if you go, why do I yell? Cause in my family, we yelled, my mom would yell to say dinner. And then all of a sudden it was like, i said dinner right in my room with my door closed studying i didn't know that i needed to be in trouble for that and so we we've just found okay it's not always effective to yell but i find myself kind of going back to it so one of the tools i've used for myself and i use with clients as well to help people gain understanding like why do i yell why am i doing this like there's function in the dysfunction so there's good about it so what's the good okay i get the kids attention Sometimes when I just talk normal, they don't listen. And so I will just try to go, okay, what are the things that are working? Okay, I need to get their attention. So how do I get their attention in different ways? So that's one of the thoughts that I'll do. And then I also say, I don't feel good about this in the long run. So how can I get myself to try other things? So in the worksheet, the first thing is to be aware. And so I have a question is like, what is it that you want to change? And then we go through the second A is to assess. And we say, what have you tried? What's worked and what hasn't? And what could you try in the future?
SPEAKER 05 :
And then once you get that list of things, you make a choice of one of the things that you could try in the future and you try it. And then you keep on problem solving because anger is often a cap emotion because you're it's revealing something that you care about that's being violated. So with me, we have three sons. And if one of my kiddos is being disrespectful and I feel myself getting angry, I'm getting angry because I value respect. Yeah. Yes. They're not showing it. So what do we need to do to get respect? Because what do I want? I want respect. I don't want to be angry and I don't want them to be disrespectful. So let's problem solve and go through these three A's to problem solve and see how do we get respect.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so I like the idea of problem solving and figuring out how to react rather than the yelling. Because one of my girlfriends who's a counselor told me when yelling starts, listening stops. And so that's the last thing I want is them to stop listening to me, right? And so with that said, what have you found in your counseling work with families and couples and in your own family? What have you found that works? Because I think, Chuck, that really hits the nail on the head with my husband. Since he trains them every day for their sports... and since like they were up at 5 30 this morning they go to the gym then they'll and shoot baskets and then tonight they'll um they'll lift together and so when the girls don't do what he uh my son's he's 18 now so it's not he's not quite as involved in all that training um when the girls don't do what he taught them and he's in the stands he gets mad he left the game yesterday and said like He was just irritated. And I said, can't we just enjoy the game? He's like, you're not as invested as I am. Like, it's kind of a respect thing or like appreciating his time, like how much he puts in that he wants them to kind of follow through on some of the things they've worked through on training per se. So what have you guys found that works? It's like we don't want to yell like you had in your family, actually. So what are some other options?
SPEAKER 02 :
Continuing on with the sports example, I might have been telling myself during a soccer game the other day, I need to care less. I need to care less. I need to care less. Because I hear your husband has invested and he cares so much that he's getting mad. And so to me, I was going to myself like, why am I carrying so much? And it's because it sometimes represents us. That could be a thing like, yes, if my kid looks bad, then it makes me look bad. Or it could be, you know, I just really want my kid to obey me. And that is so you're looking at like, what is it that is really irking me about it or what's frustrating me? And that will tell you some of the hidden needs. And then you can go, how do I meet that in other ways? Sometimes it's a mental reassurance, like I said. It is OK. And so we were reframing like my kid is doing really well in this one thing. And it's different whenever you are in different seasons or different situations. And so giving yourself grace to say what works today may not work the next day. But that's part of the worksheet gives you some affirmation. You go, I have tried a lot of things. So if you were to say, like, well, what could you do in this situation? If your husband were to do this worksheet, I'm happy to send it to you. But if he were to do this worksheet and say, I really want to connect with my kids and help them to do well in sports and I want them to do well. And then I also don't want to get angry. How is it that he's tried to manage that? So one thing that's worked for me was literally writing it down on a post-it note every time I yelled. I'm going to make myself have this walk of shame to the refrigerator. And I did a tally. And in one sense, I was embarrassed. But in the other sense, I realized, oh, I actually don't yell that much. I actually only yelled a couple of times a day. The first day, I think it was three times. And the next day, I yelled twice. The next day, I think I didn't yell at all. Maybe I yelled once. And then I went a few days. And so As I built up confidence, I go, oh, I'm not as much of a yelling crazy person as I feel like I am. And that built momentum. And so, again, for me, that was one thing that I'd never done. So I'm trying to just build awareness to how much this is happening. So with the three A's, you know, we can try an infinite number of options. But what happens is we get stuck in this negative space and we feel like I've tried everything. There's nothing I can do. And that really builds the resentment and the frustration and that anger, which then ends up causing us to yell even more.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, he does say, you know, what do I do? Like I've tried everything when it comes to, you know, them doing their chores, working on their grades, you know, the sports stuff. He gets real frustrated with the messes, you know, because he's very organized and none of us are. And so, you know, I know it feels like a lot on him. And so that's when he gets really mad and, you know, yells at everybody. And again, I do it too. So what, okay, the Post-it note. And then what are some other options? Like I'm kind of hitting a blanket. What else I can try?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, absolutely. I think being very specific with what your expectations are. Sometimes we get frustrated when we have unmet expectations, but then we find out they're uncommunicated expectations. And sometimes we complain and we think that we're asking for what we want. Let me give you an example. I complain sometimes if my kiddos are wiping down the table or wiping down the counter because they don't do a good enough job. Have I really taught them what it means to do a good job? I've pointed at the counter when it's clean and I say, make it look like that. But do I show them which rag to use? Do I show them how to move the things that are on the counter to clean underneath things? Am I specific at teaching them and training them about what I expect? And I know that can be frustrating for the sports comparison because you feel like you've trained and taught all of that. But the results really laying them out and writing down, well, I expect you to score this many points this game. Well, are they completely in control of that? No. Many times we – in the business world, we are – too often measuring the outcomes instead of the lead indicators. So I can control my inputs, but I don't always get to control my outputs. I can control how many sales calls I make, but I can't necessarily control how many sales I make. So thinking about writing down what are my real expectations that are controllables and reasonable expectations for the kiddos and doing that in a calm state of mind when I'm writing it out and charting and saying this is what it is. If they don't do it and it's controllable, this is what the consequence is going to be. And what am I going to do and how am I going to handle it if they don't meet that expectation?
SPEAKER 02 :
And I think you had said, like, you know, what is it that we do to get ourselves to stop yelling? I think, honestly, a lot of times in families, we will complain about it, but we don't ask for something different or we don't know other than to say, can you stop yelling? But how do we help create the situation where less yelling happens? So that means... Hey, if one of us yells, what do the rest of us do? Do we, you know, raise our three fingers and say we're going to talk in peace? That's just a silly example, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right from like class, right from class or whatever. If the teacher would do that. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and I know there's a situation in our kitchen is where most of the conflict happens. And so we have learned sometimes when it seems like it's heated, we remove some of the people from the kitchen. And so I said, oh, if I'm in the kitchen and I'm getting frustrated, then me and you who are getting frustrated, we go in the other room and talk where we sit down. That way we're getting out of this place that's been kind of conditioned as a heightened place for fights, right? There's a lot of stuff that goes on in the kitchen, bumping into people, cooking and all that. Yes. So part of that is like we just really build awareness. Oh, as we're talking about, oh, that does happen in the kitchen a lot. And when you do that, then you can get the practical steps to follow. And then, you know, the more eye contact we have, the better. So if you're making the list on that, like, what have we tried? What have we not tried? Have we sat down? Have we looked each other in the eye? Have we done this is this? All of those things can help us then get to a place where we're making progress.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I like that. I want to make sure, too, that people know how to reach you guys because you don't always do the counseling like face-to-face. That's so cool now we can do things virtually, which I personally think that does help a lot of men who might be embarrassed to go in and sit in a waiting room and bring the whole family in and blah, blah, blah. I like the idea of doing it virtually. And, of course, your book, I Used to Be, How to Navigate Large and Small Losses in Life and Find Your Path Forward, beneficial as well. So what's the best way to reach the two of you, Ashley and Chuck Elliott?
SPEAKER 05 :
Chuck and Ashley dot com. Just spell it out. Chuck and Ashley dot com. And you can find links to our book and booking us for coaching and speaking on there as well. And we meet with people virtually all across the country. And I love it. Yep, absolutely. And we can do things over what like Zoom, like what people are familiar doing. And it does make it very convenient and you can do it from your home. And it's a great way to do it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Awesome. Thanks, guys.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you so much for having us. Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
