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Welcome to the Kim Monson Show podcast. Kim Monson is your host. Last month President Trump signed an Executive Order to "Make America’s Showers Great Again" by easing rules restricting water flow. Natural resources expert Greg Walcher shares his perspective on shower heads, water conservation, and water in the west. Co-Founder of United Sovereign Americans Harry Haury discusses the results of their recent Orange County, California Voter Study. Ramey Johnson shares details regarding the screening of the documentary Half-Life of Memory. Realtor Karen Levine comments on the spring residential real estate season. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kim Monson Show airs on KLZ 560 AM every Monday thru Friday, 6-8 AM MST. You can listen to the live stream by going to www.klzradio.com
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With what is happening down at the Statehouse, I used to think that it was above my pay grade to read the legislation, and it's not.
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I see big danger in as much as we will be giving an unelected bureaucrat the power to make rules about what we inject into our bodies.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let's have a conversation.
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Indeed. Let's have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You're each treasured. You're valued. You have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Thursday, Producer Joe.
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Happy Thursday, Kim. It's like we were just here.
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It seems like we were just here. But great show planned again for you, so fasten your seatbelts. Check out the website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter while you're there. You will get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays that goes out on Sundays. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. The text line is 720-605-0647. And thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And my friends, it's never compassionate nor altruistic. to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, their freedom, livelihood, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. And force could be a weapon, policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum's agenda, the globalist elite's agenda, the United Nations plays out in the United Nations, this Colorado state legislature, and this Colorado governor, land use code, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, transmission line easements, CO2 pipeline easements, and that list is way too long. We've got to get that thing walked back. Remember, if something's a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. And on the show, we focus on the issues. I'll talk about the people-pushing issues, but we really work to stay out of all this personality stuff that happens in life. I want to say thank you to the Harris family. for their goal sponsorship of the show. It is because of all of you and all my sponsors. We're on the air. We're an independent voice on an independent station. And we have full control, editorial control of what we do on the show. So thank you. There's not a whole lot of independent broadcasters out there these days. Our word of the day is tyranny. It's spelled T-Y-R-A-N-N-Y, and I thought it was appropriate. I got mixed up. I always did think that the legislature, the last day was on a Wednesday, but I had been saying it was on Tuesday. Well, it was on Wednesday. There were some other things that happened yesterday down at the statehouse, but this is a tyrannical, this is a legislature that is past things that are absolutely tyranny and tyranny is spelled t-y-r-a-n-n-y it could be unjust or oppressive government power number two a government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power or lastly the office authority or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler now ruler doesn't have to be one person i know the founders were very concerned about a monarchy but it can be It can be a group. It can be a bunch of PBIs that are pushing the same tyrannical ideas. And that's what we have going on in America right now. And we truly are at a time of choosing of whether or not we will choose liberty or if we will continue down this road of tyranny. Our quote of the day is from Alexander Hamilton. He was born in 1755. He died in 1804. He was an American military officer, statesman, and founding father. He served as the first U.S. Secretary of the Treasury during the presidency of George Washington. And he said this, of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants. And again, that is Alexander Hamilton. A number of things out there in the news, but connecting some dots for you. And these elections in Colorado, we do not have the gold standard. We have two lawsuits that were filed before this last election, thanks to all of you. The money was raised for those lawsuits. The first is with the legal team of United Sovereign Americans, the team that they hired. And They've gone through all volunteers and taken a look at the Colorado election and determined that Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards as set forth by Congress for elections. Now, each state has a lot of power on how they do their elections, but Congress says there has to be some minimum standards and it's a civil rights issue. And so that lawsuit was filed, and we're going to be talking with Harry Howry in this hour, who's one of the co-founders of United Sovereign Americans. So stay tuned on that. So that indicates that Colorado does not have the gold standard. Our second lawsuit with Peter Berninger with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice, we went through, and he actually had to buy the – the voters list three different times because Secretary of State came back and said oh that's old that's not correct data so he ran it again as of election day it was a very targeted list and out of that targeted list 14,500 people voted in Colorado that should not have voted and so what that means is we can't really trust our elections and then the next thing that we did and I'm going to connect all this here for you in just a moment is uh holly casen and sean smith and ash ep uh founded us actually it was ash and i think holly that founded it and sean came in a little bit after that us eip which was the u.s election integrity project and after the 2020 election They had all volunteers that just canvassed neighborhoods, knocked on doors, and said, hey, it says Joe Smith lives here. Does Joe Smith live here? It says Joe Smith voted. And they just canvassed it, and they did find irregularities. Two days before they were going to release their report, they were sued by the NAACP, the League of Women Voters, and Mi Familia Vota. and said that they accused them of intimidation and also something under the KKK piece of legislation. Well, they had to lawyer up, very expensive, and ended up that the plaintiffs had fabricated a witness and fabricated the story. And it was so much so that the judge said, basically said they didn't even get to closing remarks for Ash and Sean and Holly. And as I'm sitting here thinking about this right now, I wonder if they didn't even get to that because Sweeney didn't want that information to be out. I don't know. Anyway, the judge on this case is Judge Charlotte Sweeney. But she did not rule that the case was frivolous, which at the time, Holly, we had really connected a dot. But the thing was is Holly and Ash and Sean then made an appeal to have their legal fees paid for by these NGOs. that had brought this suit against them, which the defendants were victorious on that. Well, there was this little-known rule called, I guess it's a Supreme Court decision, the Christiansburg decision that was from 1978 that said if an NGO sues but loses, the defendants still cannot get their legal fees paid for. So this has been a great tool in the toolbox for NGOs to just sue. And if they win, they win. And if they lose, they still win because they don't have to pay the defendant's legal fees. So Holly, Ash, and Sean are appealing that. They needed funding for that. And thanks again to all of you. And Holly Ash and Sean step forward and that appeal is filed and on its way. Well, connecting the dot on this, Judge Charlotte Sweeney is a radical activist judge. And getting her overturned as this goes up into the courts is a big deal. And so connecting the dot, though, she she says she's a radical activist judge and connecting the dot now over here on the Daily Signal. She is the judge in the Elizabeth School District. And this is from the Daily Signal by Tyler O'Neill. And this was published yesterday. says a school board in Colorado cannot remove sexually explicit, profane, or transgender books from school libraries because the school board is conservative, according to a federal judge touted as the first openly lesbian judge west of the Mississippi. The ACLU's Colorado chapter filed a suit on behalf of two minors, the NAACP Wyoming State Area Conference and the Authors Guild, claiming that the school district engaged in viewpoint discrimination when removing the books. The judge granted a preliminary injunction in March, forcing the Elizabeth School District in Elizabeth, Colorado, to restore the books. Judge Charlotte Sweeney second guessed the school district's objections to the book's contents, calling the objections pretextual and condemning the removals as partisan because school board members had discussed following their conservative convictions when debating the removal of the books. This is a really big deal that we have this judge that is ruling that we can keep pornographic books available to children in their school libraries. And I do not believe in book banning because I think that that is a really slippery slope. But what I do think is there should be parental control on whether or not these children have access to these books. I think that I, first of all, find it crazy that we would have adults that are insistent on having pornographic books in school libraries. And connecting that dot is kids see this stuff. They cannot unsee it. It starts to groom them for sexual stuff down the road. And that's really the bottom line here. And my conservative value is that we conserve and preserve the idea of America and America's big ideals. We don't get down in the gutter on and all the carnal stuff. We want to look at big ideas. And so stay tuned on this. But it's important to connect the dots that this is Judge Charlotte Sweeney and she's a Biden appointee. And also the fact that we have this appeal. regarding her judgment with Holly, Ash, and Sean. This is all connected. And so just stay tuned. All of this is super, super important. And the show comes to you because of our sponsors. One of those is Hooters Restaurants. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Great specials for lunch and happy hour. And, of course, a great place to watch all the games. And also, he's going to be in studio a little bit later, and that's Roger Mangan. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And next Thursday, I will be out at the USMC Memorial Foundation Golf Tournament for lunch. And I would love to have you join us out there. If you're not a golfer, come out for lunch. If you are a golfer, make sure that you go ahead and get signed up to play in the tournament. They do have a great hole-in-one prize of a brand new, I think, pickup vehicle. So be sure and check all that out by going to USMCMemorialFoundation.com. That's usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is my friend, Rami Johnson. She is a former state legislator. She's a former city councilwoman in Lakewood. And she ran for House District 30 and worked very diligently. I was very surprised that she was not victorious. In that particular race this last November, the person that is in that seat at this time, House District 30, is Rebecca Stewart. And Rebecca Stewart actually has her name as one of the prime sponsors on this House Bill 1312, which did make it out of the Senate yesterday and will be headed to the governor's desk. And so we can see that elections really matter. Ramey Johnson, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. Thank you for having me. Well, absolutely. And you have a great, you care about your community, our state, our country, our world. But we're going to talk about something right now that you and Walt have put together for this evening. And that is a screening of the documentary Half-Life of Memory. And we talked about it last week, but you said there's, when we talked the other day, you said there's significant interest in this.
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Oh, my, there really is. Well, first, we've had people taking flyers door to door, and they were not aware that there is a potential build-out at the federal center. That's really in play here. Walt and I saw this movie a few months ago, and it's actually about the contamination that was up at the Rocky Flats site. and Rockwell and all the things that happened regarding that. And one of the lessons about that was that there was really not openness and transparency with the community of what was actually going on. One of the FBI agents that is in the documentary, a letter that was given to him by Congress asking for his signature that he would not testify in front of Congress regarding everything that he knew. But he did not sign it, Kim. And he's going to be with us tonight. There's going to be a lady that worked up at Rocky Flats and knows firsthand the way that things were handled. But the lesson to learn is that the federal center is really following in the same footsteps as what happened at Rocky Flats. There's very serious concern about the contamination up there, how much, what kind. It does not seem that enough testing has been done and that what is out there is actually not being made to the public. So the conversation tonight will start out with the movie. But I think we're going to be transitioning very quickly into the federal center. There is one lady, Karen Gorday, that did a considerable amount of research about the federal center. And she's going to be with us tonight. She's going to be speaking out about everything that she found. And I'm excited. It looks like we're going to have a full house. Yes, there's a great deal of interest, Kim, and I just couldn't be more thrilled that the community is learning about this. And I want to thank you for giving me an opportunity to get this on the air as well. Thanks, Kim.
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Well, absolutely. So can people do you think you still have room for people to attend tonight?
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Yes, there is still room and there's no charge. Yes, please come. If you're going to come, come as early as you possibly can. It starts at 630. The parking is limited, so you probably are going to have to park down the street and Whitlock Recreation Center is across the street and just down a little bit. We might be using their parking. But yes, please come. We've got 350 chairs, but there is considerable room to stand. And we'd have to have 800 people to violate the fire code. So I checked on that.
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Okay, good. So now this will be out at Rockley's Event Center, correct? And that is in Lakewood. Yes, it's at 8.
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555 West Colfax. It's on the north side. It's the site where the old Rockley Music Center was, or business.
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Okay, and Rockley's is spelled R-O-C-K-L-E-Y-S, so it's Rockley's Event Center. Now, Ramey, the tickets, you would like people to get tickets on this, and when I'd just done a search on Eventbrite, they brought up some other things. So, my friends, it would be... Eventbrite, so E-V-E-N-T-B-R-I-T-E dot com forward slash E forward slash Half Life of Memory, a documentary. That should get you to the point where you can get your tickets. If people have trouble doing that, can they just attend or do they really need to have a ticket?
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No, just come. Just come. If there's issues with that, it doesn't matter. We were just trying to kind of keep track. of the count at this point. But please come. Many people are coming that just learned about it. You don't have to go through that. And yes, just attend. We want you there.
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Okay. And what is the time when everything starts at 630, right? But you'd recommend to get there a little bit earlier.
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I'd recommend to get there at a quarter of six. The movie or the event really starts at 630, and I'm hoping to start the movie as close to that time as we can. Jeff Giffey, the producer, is in town just for this event. and he was at Rockley's yesterday testing the equipment, so we are good to go, Kim.
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Awesome. Okay, so that is tonight, Thursday, May 8th. 6.30 is when it begins. Get there early at Rockley's Event Center and 8555 West Colfax Avenue. Ramey, changing gears just a little bit, you also serve on the board of Colorado Union of Taxpayers, which it's been quite a session. And of course, you have this experience that you bring to the table of being a former state legislator. But I think it's really important that people understand these elections really matter because Rebecca Stewart had her name or has her name on this House Bill 1312, which basically takes away parental rights and really silences voices. And if you were in that seat, you would not have your name on a bill like that.
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Oh, my goodness. I wouldn't support it, let alone be a sponsor of it. Rebecca does not have children. And I don't know that she honestly understands what she's doing. This is one of the most egregious bills I've ever seen in the last 25 years. And your word for the day tyranny is absolutely perfect. This bill should have been killed in the House committee the first day, Kim. And the idea that it has made it all the way through is unbelievable, really. Sure, they watered it down, but it's still there and it should not have passed.
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Well, it should not have. And the other thing, though, Ramey, and being a member of CUT, we see how many bills were and resolutions that were introduced. And my understanding is we should mention that that resolution regarding Tabor to file a lawsuit, that did not make it all the way through. So we can breathe a sigh of relief at least until the next legislative session on that. But the volume of bills is unbelievable that we had to take a look at. And everyday people have no idea. And that's why we really think we recommend that people become members of CUT so that you have access to our emails and know what's going on.
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Oh, absolutely. And I wish that more people would join CUT. They would get the weekly update and they would really see for themselves what these bills are. What did you say it was a month, Kim, if they joined?
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It's $2.08 a month. Yeah, we're cheap dates, Kim. You know what we are? You have a free documentary that you're doing, and then we do all this work for free. And as Corey said yesterday, and we pay our dues as well to do it. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. But, you know, I think that's part of the American idea is citizens stepping forward to become involved to protect liberty. So, Ramey Johnson, hopefully, well, I'll see you tonight, and we'd love to have everybody join us. And, again, that starts at 630 out at Rockleys, Event Center 8555 West Colfax Avenue. Ramey, I'll see you tonight, and thanks for everything.
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Thank you. You're the best, Kim.
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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something's a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and another non-profit that i highlight regularly on the show is the center for american values It's located in Pueblo, Colorado on the beautiful Riverwalk. And I'm planning, I'm gonna have some relatives in this summer, and I'm already planning my trip down there because I think that they would really, really enjoy the Portraits of Valor, which is over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients and their quotes. And so be sure and check out all that they do at the Center for American Values. That website is AmericanValueCenter.org. That's AmericanValueCenter.org. And I am very excited about our next guest, and that is Harry Howery. He is one of the co-founders of United Sovereign Americans. And you all know United Sovereign Americans because we raised the money, all of you. Thank you. to file this lawsuit regarding, or one of the lawsuits regarding elections here in Colorado. And Harry's been very busy. So Harry Howery, welcome to the show.
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Hi, Kim. Nice to be here.
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Well, it's good to have you. And I've only had you once before. And so people don't know you as well. So tell people a little bit about you. Okay.
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So I have a long history, longer than I care to remember sometimes, in a number of areas. But I'm an engineer by training. I have a fairly extensive background in mathematics, including statistics. Started off my career in the energy business, and it evolved over history. But in the early 1980s, I become involved in it. election matters in St. Louis County, Missouri. And during that history, I just coincidentally, it's serendipity more than any intent on my part, but St. Louis County becomes a pivotal battleground for John Ashcroft's political career, rising above the Missouri local politics to this initially two terms as governor. He was attorney general of Missouri before that. And then he becomes U.S. senator. And during that period of time, he becomes a legal advisor to G.W. Bush. We all know him as the attorney general of the United States during the Bush v. Gore. And obviously, Bush v. Gore was prior to Bush's presidency, but Ashcroft is instrumental in advising him on Bush v. Gore. Like I said, it's more serendipity than intent, but because of the history of St. Louis County politics, we were instrumental. I was treasurer of the Queenie Township Republican Organization in between my committee woman, Jan Clerich, and I would become instrumental in getting John to Ashcroft to win the primary, then were important in also getting him in his first term as governor. As a result, Queenie Township Republican Organization becomes a, and particularly my committee woman, becomes an important political contributor to his success. There's other, you know, political issues associated with him being from Springfield and needing a base in St. Louis to actually be successful. So to fast forward to the year 2000, I've kept in touch with other people from Queenie Township Republican Organization, one of whom is now a somewhat infamous individual, Paul DiGregorio, who becomes the first chairman of the EAC, Election Assistance Commission, after they win Bush v. Gore, which I did some, you know, I call it casual consulting. I mean, I was the technology guy. I was a vice president or an officer at the local gas distribution, transmission, and exploration company here in St. Louis. And so They often came to me for advice about computers, and most specifically by the time of Bush v. Gore, I've gone out on my own in the software business, and we do high-volume, high-speed document scanning, mostly for banks. So after Bush v. Gore, they have made a commitment to do election reform, which becomes the Help America Vote Act, I've become one of many contributors to that effort with regard specifically to my technical experience in managing high volume scanning operations associated, you know, back in the time of that day, we still wrote primarily checks. You know, we weren't doing PayPal and Zelle and all these different projects. In addition to that, I had provided technical consulting to Paul DeRogorio in St. Louis County, where he was the commissioner of elections for St. Louis County, which was at that time a deep red county. It's no longer deep red. They've turned it blue. But the fact of the matter is that as a result of that experience and the workflow automation that we were doing, I do a lot of consulting when St. Louis County, pre-consulting, by the way, when St. Louis County is trying to implement certain electronic systems in the election. So fast forward to 2020, during the period between 2002 and 2020, I've started doing a lot of work for the federal government. My experience lent itself to cybersecurity work and automated workflow, and so we're doing various work with the NSA and CIA and Department of Defense and the stand-up of DHS. I'm part of the group that's trying to figure out a Northcom and Colorado Springs, actually, how to manage fusion efforts to try to get information shared between military intelligence and FBI and local police and whatnot. As we know, this all turns into a disaster because of overreach and abuse of these systems, particularly FISA and But the other problem is that slowly there was a mentality that since, you know, it starts taking hold in the military and the IC and, you know, federal government in general, that we can do all of this computing instead of using, you know, super secure systems, we would rely on off the shelf software. And this, this, as much as the FISA courts and the Patriot Act become a complete disaster for the country in terms of everybody's privacy and whatnot becoming a secondary issue. And the security of the system is also becoming maybe a distant third or fourth issue in terms of priorities. So I actually get into conflict. I'm doing cybersecurity design for people like Sandia National Laboratories and Livermore and a variety of other programs I actually can't talk about too extensively. But my company that I founded becomes a defense contract on cybersecurity in this period of time. It's a long, long story, which you don't necessarily have time on this program, but As a result, I end up leaving any kind of involvement with government work in 2019. I'm outside the country in the previous decade most of my time. And as a result, I come back and the country has completely changed. I mean, the decision to use cloud computing systems, the decision to drop rational security measures. All of these leave our country open to malicious security intrusions. And so I end up, for a variety of reasons, in front of the election in 2020 talking to people that become household names like Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and Garland Favarito and you know, all of the people that you hear about, Kurt Olson, other people, in terms of trying to explain to them, you know, the fabric of the Help America Vote Act and the cybersecurity implications of the way that the systems have been implemented. I actually enter testimony with Phil Klein and the Amistad Project in his Supreme Court filing. And then I'm involved in, you know, essentially repeating that on several other lawsuits that Phil Klein is involved in. And I'm very much, so I have a company now that does cybersecurity, cyber forensics investigations. We get involved after 2020 and things like the Connick arrest out of LA and We also get involved through the Amistad Project with the Beth Pate New York. One of the challenges, and I'm a cyber forensic investigator, we gather evidence for DHS and FBI and these people routinely. One of the problems in 2020 is that we have a lot of anecdotal observation, but in order to convince judges that there's a real problem, concrete evidence. And I met Marley Hornick at the pit because I'm doing some technical cyber consulting for to the vote. You know, particularly with 2000 mules and the conic matter. But when I met Marley, I realized she had a great voice and philosophical consistency with regard to understanding the election matter from a constitutional perspective. And she and I founded United Sovereign Americans not too long after it took maybe four or five months for me to convince her that this was something to dedicate her life to. And we all know Marley very well. And she's, you know, a miracle in progress with her ability to explain relatively difficult you know, logical and philosophical and constitutional efforts. But the two of us work together. I know the law pretty deeply for a non-lawyer, and I'm extremely experienced at structuring evidence. So what we did is set off on a course to change the narrative and change the way that we attack these election matters. And we've had a tremendous impact. I mean, you can watch our language in you know, it's a little bit irritating sometimes that, you know, at Sovereign Americans, it's not always acknowledged, but a lot of the mouthpieces in the election and legal fight that continue with or without our direct participation adopt our structural approach, which is evidence-based and, you know, changing the narratives to what, you know, election fraud is. And most lawyers, unfortunately, they have training in the word fraud that is not consistent with the way election fraud is defined and they often dismiss it you know the mainstream media takes up this you know traditional conceptualization of fraud and intent and all these things and that's actually completely wrong with regard to election law and so um we've you know we've been in the fight we we approached uh you know 2024 with uh You know, putting a number of mandamus lawsuits out, including Colorado. You know what?
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Let's stop right there and keep that as our cliffhanger. We're going to go to break. I'm talking with Harry Howry, who is one of the co-founders of United Sovereign Americans. We will be right back.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. We are talking with Harry Howry. He is a co-founder of United Sovereign Americans. And he's going to be talking about And, Harry, we just got to this Colorado lawsuit. So last summer, a neighbor said, Kim, I'm so concerned about Colorado. We've got to do something. And so we went to work on some things, and one of the things that we did is one of our listeners had reached out to me, who's a member, a volunteer with United Sovereign Americans, said this all-volunteer group had uncovered some very troubling things regarding our Colorado election. They took it to the Secretary of State. She did nothing about it. They had no money for, because it's all volunteers, to file a lawsuit. And I said, well, how much would it cost? And so we went to work and all of my listeners stepped forward and we raised the money for that lawsuit. And it was filed September 10th. And so just tell us a little bit about that. And then I also want to talk about what you guys have just done out there in Orange County.
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So as we go through our process, obviously the political landscape changes. So the mandamus lawsuits were oriented toward trying to force election officials to obey the law before the 2024 election. And so we certainly changed the narrative you know, because of the timing and whatnot, we didn't have much success getting through the legal system, but we did put the arguments out there, you know, and the evidence. And we know that it had an effect, particularly in purple areas, in terms of mischief by election officials just disobeying the law broadly. So we are in the process, though, of adjusting our legal strategy according to the current political landscape. We have a DOJ now that's being run by people that want to do the right thing that are not covering up massive election fraud as defined by the DOJ's own guidance material. I'm not talking about the kinds of narratives that came out of the 2020 election. I'm talking about just detailed study of the state laws, the federal laws, in the voter participation records, the voter counts and obviously the voter rolls as well. So we are recrafting Colorado. We filed for a motion to allow us to amend the complaint. It's only one of few of the mandamus lawsuits that we are maintaining because of the criticality of of a what's going on in Colorado and the fact the position we are in with regard to the lawsuit affords us the opportunity to pivot more towards supporting a dovetail criminal referrals, which we're working with nationwide right now, and also moving more towards civil rights enforcement, which is the basis upon which you know, all election law is built. So the critical criminal statutes are based off of Title 18, USC 241 and 242, which is a recognition that our right to an election is an actual civil right of U.S. citizens. So we're attacking it on the civil side. We're also helping various parties, including the administration, to look at some of the issues that should be included in executive orders. We're actively talking to Congress and the Senate about considering legislative changes, which will be nearly impossible before 2026. And if we lose the House or the Senate in 2026, that will be completely impossible. But at least having public debate is an improvement. But we We are in the process of modifying the complaint. We have until July to get that modification done. We have attracted a number of very astute constitutional attorneys and criminal attorneys that are helping us craft these civil actions so that they dovetail with what we hope is soon DOJ-themed efforts. One of the reasons, I mean, I don't talk about it much, but I have extreme concern about the actions of the executive branch in Colorado to prosecute Tina Peters. Obviously, I was not involved in that prosecution, but there are principles under law associated with whether or not somebody has a right to collect adversely evidence, even though the law might suggest that they don't. And, you know, there's a principle under equity that usually applies, but for some reason in Colorado, it didn't. And, you know, we have a big mass associated with that. We obviously have a Secretary of State there that's actively suppressing the law with regard to voter registration process. And we have evidence, you know, that they don't seem to care for non-obvious reasons about enforcing the law, you know, on the books in Colorado regarding, you know, proper voter registration. Whenever we have investigated these issues, we call them the scorecard, the vote-watching report, and the election fraud report. We find massive violations of the law. That includes Colorado. But our most stunning report out of You know, recent report out of Orange County shows that one in five voters can't be verified by any reasonable means. And does that mean all 20 percent are actual fraudsters? No, but it means that the secretary of state of California and the election officials in charge of Orange County are not bothering to verify voters either. And that's their job. And they actually are committing election fraud, as defined by the DOJ. And obviously, there's all sorts of nuances associated with this, but they are supposed to verify the voter. And that's according to state law and federal. The Constitution requires people to be eligible U.S. citizens. And so there's a few characteristics of that, your age, 18, and the fact that you're a U.S. citizen. And so we see a stunning victory by America First Legal in Arizona. forcing them to remove illegal aliens. But it has to go much further than that because, you know, how are you going to do that? What are you verifying? Are you verifying their birth records? Are you verifying their passport? Are you verifying their Social Security number? The system is so fraught with error, we can't. We know DHS has been issuing, you know, fraudulent Social Security numbers for years. You know, without any clear statutory authority to do so. So, you know, if we use just simple things, we're not going to get through this morass. We actually have to determine that people are, A, real people. I mean, we have 2 million votes in 2020 that don't have anybody listed associated with those votes as having voted. you know, most states have law that requires a linkage between the number of voters that are counted as having voted and the actual vote. It's generally part of what's called the reconciliation process. The governments everywhere, particularly, and I hate to say it, in red states or purple states, I'm sorry, in blue states and in purple states, tending blue, tend to ignore these laws. You know, hundreds of thousands of of mail-in ballots with no signature verification, even though the law requires it, mischief occurring in Georgia with regard to ballots that have no associated voter, evidence in many states of substitution of scans in the voter record. These things are demonstrably significant legal violations. And the people responsible for, let's just call it lax administration of elections, have to be held responsible. And the reason they have to be held responsible is whether they're actively involved in election fraud isn't the material question. The question is whether we're having fair, open, and honest elections. We see every year DOZENS OF PEOPLE PROSECUTED FOR ELECTION FRAUD, AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE ONLY CATCH ONE IN PROBABLY A THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT ARE CHEATING IN SOME WAY, MAYBE ONE OUT OF A MILLION. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME STUDIES THAT SHOW PEOPLE THAT RECEIVE TWO BALLOTS VOTED ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THERE WAS ANY PENALTY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
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Well, Harry, we are out of time. We've got 30 seconds left. But I'm very pleased that we have our lawsuit filed because I think that it sets the stage as this administration is looking at elections in Colorado that says, no, no, no, we don't have the gold standard here in Colorado. And I want to say again, Harry, thank you to all of our listeners who stepped forward to fund that lawsuit with you and your team there at United Sovereign Americans.
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We would like to thank them, too. And if you want to learn more, go to our website, unite the number for freedom dot com. And I appreciate the time.
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Absolutely. And that's unite the number for freedom dot com. Thank you, Harry Howery.
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Thank you, Kim.
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And the quote of the end of the show is from Alexander Hamilton, Federalist number 33. He said this, if the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people whose creature it is must appeal to the standard they have formed. and take such measure to redress the injury done to the Constitution as may suggest prudence and justify. So, my friends, today be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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Very important for Colorado. And that will be rebroadcast today, 1 to 2 in the afternoon. The show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. That's on all KLZ platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And check out the website. That's KimMunson.com. While you're there, make sure you are signed up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. Text line, and I want to hear from you, is 720-605-0647. And thank you to all of you who contribute. to the show, to these projects that we are working to reclaim Colorado. And I so appreciate each and every one of you. We look at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we are focusing on these issues and the people that are pushing the issues, but staying out of all this personality fighting. It's so important to... To stay to the issues, sometimes it takes some real mental discipline to do so. And there are times that we can get caught, be dragged into it, but we need to really work to stay focused on these issues. Our word of the day, I thought it was appropriate now that the Colorado State Legislature has got through this 2025 session, yesterday was the last day, is tyranny. And it's spelled T-Y-R-A-N-N-Y. Definition number one is unjust or oppressive governmental power. Number two, a government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power. Or number three, the office, authority, or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler. So it might not just be one person. I think right now in America we call it the deep state that is really pushing this tyranny upon all of us. And so, again, it should be super easy for you to use the word tyranny in a sentence today. Okay. Our quote of the day is from Alexander Hamilton, from Federalist No. 1, and he said this, "...of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants." And so, again, that is Alexander Hamilton. Several things. I did mention it in the first hour, and that is that House Bill 1312, this terrible bill that is pushed forward. It's a radical activist extremist transgender bill that will take away parental rights, try to silence voices. That did make it through the Senate and is headed to the governor's desk. so what will happen once it gets on the governor's desk he can do three things one he can sign it two he can veto it or three he can let it just sit there and if he he doesn't do and sign it or veto it but it sits there with a certain amount of days i can't remember what that is it will automatically then become law so it's going to be very interesting to watch to see what uh what is happening down there And a person that watches things and was recognized in doing so is Karen Levine. She is a RE-MAX realtor, and she received an award for being an advocate for, I think, property rights, home ownership. Karen Levine, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. Am I getting that right? You did. You got that right. Okay.
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Good. Yes. Yes. Recognized by the Denver Metro Realtor Association. And that was quite an honor. So we will continue to work hard to protect private property rights and homeownership. And there's some interesting conversations at Lakewood about limiting square footage of single family houses. and maybe any ownership units in response to having as many as you want unrelated family members in a property okay we talked about this elections really matter lakewood uh that city council is um uh
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Boy, I didn't want to get you in a position where you have to make a comment on that. But once again, they want to take away freedom, right? Limiting?
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Well, and why don't we allow the market to determine how big a house needs to be? I'm just – I continue to be a bit flabbergasted, I think is the word, that – we allow our representatives that we elected to take away our rights.
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And it is fascinating to me. Well, and that's because we've been we've gotten fat and happy, and we quit paying attention to what was happening with these people that are getting into office. And we were assuming that they had our best interests in mind as American citizens. And we're realizing that there are those that are getting elected that they just... want to take on power. But so let's watch that. Karen, I embarrassed Lauren yesterday. And so I'm going to embarrass you today. And that and that is I received from a listener an email that I just thought was just it was so fantastic and I wanted to read that it said Kim just a note of thank you I recently consulted with Karen Levine and Lorne Levy on a residential real estate problem faced by my son and his wife They own a home which has painfully overextended them financially, and I asked Karen and Lauren to speak with them about a strategy going forward with a view of either selling the home or keeping it. Both Karen and Lauren got right on it, contacted my son and worked with him to set up a strategy to help him keep the home. I cannot tell you how helpful they were. Their input has helped my son and his bride to find a way to tighten their belts and keep their home, which is what they wanted to do if possible. As sponsors of your show, I just wanted to let you know about Karen and Lauren and their incredible professionalism. They help me and my family selflessly and with compassion. I am touched and thankful to have met them through your show and wanted to thank you for your efforts. Keep up the wonderful work you do every day.
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and I did call him and ask him if I could read that on the air but that is an amazing testament to the great work that you do Karen Levine well thank you and what a lovely way to start my day that was very touching and it was a situation that the goal was to be able to figure out how to keep them in their house because they worked hard to be able to buy that home and um So I am excited that we were able to give them some strategies. And hopefully down the road they'll have friends and family that need help in real estate, and they'll remember the good work Lauren and I hopefully did for them.
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Well, you definitely did. So if people wanted to reach you, what is that number?
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That number is 303-877-7516.
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And it is a robust, from what I can see, there's a product out there for people in the spring selling season. And so give you a call if you want to sell your home, buy a home, look at a new build, and I know that you can help them. And again, what's that number? 303-877-7516. And that's Karen Levine. We'll talk with you next week. Sounds great. And, again, what a great testament to the amazing sponsors that I work with. And another great sponsor is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. If you bundle your insurance together, you might be able to save some money. You won't know unless you talk with them. So give them a call and set up a complimentary appointment. That number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan Team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something's a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And I do thank the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. They have been a sponsor of the show for many, many years and greatly appreciate them. And pleased to have on the line with me, Greg Walcher. And Greg is one of the most recognized and respected national leaders in natural resources policy. He is president of the Natural Resources Group, a member of several other firms, and he serves as a senior associate in a global public affairs firm, the Stilwell Group. Greg Walcher, welcome to the show. Good morning. Thanks. And also want to mention your book, Smoking Them Out, The Theft of the Environment and How to Take It Back. Really an important book, and people should have that on their bookshelf at home. And they can actually order it by going to your website, which is gregwalcher.com. So Greg, I wanted to get you on the show to talk about water. And recently, President Trump relaxed regulations regarding water flow on shower heads. He said he wanted to make America's showers great again. And I love that because I've always looked at it as a liberty issue, a freedom issue. And I was speaking at a screening of A Climate Conversation, which I will mention that you were one of our podcast guests, and people can find that at climateconversation.com. And I was lauding this. I said, this is great. This is a freedom issue. And a woman came up to me and she said, we have got to conserve water. There's not enough water in the West. We've got to conserve water. And I thought, huh, I really thought this was a freedom issue. And she was all about conservation. So I thought, I need to talk to Greg Walcher about this.
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Well, I appreciate it. And in fact, I agree with her and with you. There is a freedom issue involved, and we ought to conserve water. Water is very scarce in the West, more in Colorado than anywhere else in the West, in fact. And water conservation is second nature to Colorado, and so this state wrote the book on water conservation. We went to, in the farms in Colorado, went to gated pipes and drip water systems and concrete ditches and all of that decades before they did in California. So I'm all for water conservation, and I think we all have an obligation to do that. The question is whether it's the business of the United States government, the federal government, to dictate it and to tell us what kind of dishwashers we can use and what kind of showerheads we can have and how much water is in our toilets and all of that. There is an issue about the proper role of government that most people just don't consider.
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Okay, I love that, that you agree with both of us on this. My friend Yvonne Paez has said that you can't have water conservation, though, without water storage. And so it also makes sense to me that in years where we have a lot of rain or a lot of snow melt, that we should be able to store that water for when we don't have a rainy day.
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Yeah, water storage is absolutely critical to the whole conversation. The amount of snow that falls on the mountains, we can't control. The amount of it that we store so that we can use it during dry periods, that we can control. And so that's the reason why a complicated series of water laws has evolved in the West over a long period of time. It isn't about regulating how much water we get. It's about regulating how we go about using it. There are a couple of key... key things that people ought to just keep in mind. You know, we grow up in Colorado hearing about water all the time. Every politician wants to talk about water and so on. And a lot of people, I think people realize that it's a big deal in the West, but they don't really focus on why it's such a big deal. Such a big deal that Colorado's famous Congressman Wayne Aspinall once said that when you touch water in the West, you touch everything, which is true. People should think about, you know, you see pictures of the Earth taken from outer space, and it's blue because of all the water. Ninety percent of the water on Earth is too salty to be available for human use. Five percent of it's frozen in ice and glaciers. Three percent of it's in clouds. I mean, literally, that leaves barely two percent of all the Earth's water available for use by all the plants and animals and humans on Earth. And of that tiny amount, Almost all of it is in the giant river systems and lakes. Half of the fresh water on Earth is in one lake in Russia. And so the percentage of the Earth's water that is in arid states west of the Mississippi River is not even measurable statistically. There's virtually none of the Earth's water here. And for Colorado, the issue is much more complex than that even because 80% of our water comes in the form of snow, mostly within about a four-month period. And all of that water flows out of the state. We don't have any rivers flowing into Colorado. And so we have 5 million people in this state plus. There's more than 100 million people in 14 other states who have legal rights to water that originates in Colorado. So we have, in fact, 10 of those states have interstate compacts that are binding on Colorado which require us to deliver more than half of our state's water to other states. We don't have enough storage capacity. You mentioned reservoirs. In all the combined reservoirs in Colorado, we don't have enough storage capacity to store all the water that Colorado is entitled to under all of those agreements. And so even though we have so little water that's available to us legally, we still lose every year much of Colorado's water because of the inability to capture it during the wet periods and use it They're in the dry periods. And the final nail in the coffin for Colorado is the cruel reality of nature, which is that 80% of that water falls west of the continental divide, where 80% of our people live east of it. So there's never going to be a time in Colorado when we don't have a drastic water problem. They can talk about how it's different this year because of a drought if they want to, but it isn't different this year. It's this way every year. We always have a water problem in this state.
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Well, Greg, I remember, though, the enviros have stood against new water storage projects. And meanwhile, back at the ranch, we got politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties that have been welcoming all kinds of people to Colorado. And so those two things are going to be a problem. And so is there any chance we're going to get any new water storage projects? um projects uh approved and i know it takes a long long time to do so and i think that's by design and again i think the radical act enviro movement was very involved in that well that's that's right it is a long and complex process to to to get a project approved to store additional water there's no question that we will do that at some point because we don't have any choice
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So the question is, do we do it years and years and years later when it's going to cost a lot more money, or do we be thinking about it now? The other thing is there's a lot of ways you can store water short of building dams and giant reservoirs. There are a number of projects all over Colorado. In fact, the Colorado Water Plan that was adopted under Governor Hickenlooper talks about enlarging existing reservoirs. There's a lot of places where you can do that, either by adding a few feet to the height of an existing dam or by dredging out all of the silt out of the bottom of the dam. There's some examples of both around the state so that you can store additional water in already existing reservoirs where the politics have already been decided and battles already held and all of the legal fights and appeals were already done. And in fact, the existing reservoirs now are enormously popular. Many of them are tremendously popular recreational sites as well. So those fights have already been held, and it makes a lot of sense to add to existing storage. There are also places where you can store water underground and therefore eliminate any effect on fish and habitat and eliminate any evaporation problems. So there are lots of ways that you can store additional water, and we ought to be doing that.
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Why aren't we, Greg Walcher?
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Well, there is a political will problem There is the issue of opposition that you talked about. In fact, the last serious reservoir built in Colorado, which is the Ruder Hess Reservoir that the Parker Water and Sanitation District built, took them 30 years to get it approved and finally done and exhausted the careers of several people. And I think a lot of the water officials in the state know that it's long and drawn out and complicated, and they just don't have the political will to take it on. For me, it's like planting an oak tree, though. I don't care how long it takes, but they say one of the great courageous things that a person could do is plant a tree that the shade from which he will never enjoy. I think the same may be true of water projects, but we need to get on with it.
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Well, and you talked about the water compacts, and we've talked about it before regarding the upper basin of the Colorado River and the states in the upper basin and those in the lower basin. And so required by law that a certain amount of water has to go down to these other states. And if you live in those states, you certainly want water. I get it. Why, though, can't we renegotiate that? You mentioned the saltwater. California has a lot of people, and it's got a lot of water on its west coast, and we know that we can desalinate water. Why couldn't there be projects that could desalinate water for Californians, thereby reducing their demand for the water coming down the Colorado, which would help all the states upriver from that?
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Well, it can be done. In fact, there are countries all over the world that literally have hundreds of desalinization projects. Some countries, like Saudi Arabia, for example, get its entire domestic water supply that way. So when California says we're waiting for the technology to catch up, it's just disingenuous. The technology is there to do it now. Governor Gavin Newsom's water plan for the state involves desalinization, but they're not serious about it. The last The last time there was a major project to do that in California, they worked on it for 20 years. And then last year, the California Coastal Commission killed the project because of its potential effect on fish in the river, which is silly because the design of that project had no effect on fish, and the intake in the ocean was underground. So the reality is it's just cheaper to take free water from the Colorado River than to spend several million dollars building a desalination plant. And so the only way that they will be forced into that is if the upper basin states insist on it. We ought to have, Coloradans ought to have, and California is not our enemy. They're fellow Americans and it's a beautiful state and we love that too. But the reality is Coloradans ought to have zero sympathy at all for California demanding and needing more water. They live As you suggested, they live on 800 miles of coastline on the largest body of water on Earth. So the idea that they need more Colorado River water is just stupid.
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I totally agree. And speaking of money, though, there's been billions of dollars that have been spent on this high-speed railway that's not built yet, and it's basically kind of from nowhere to nowhere from what I can see. So there's money out there. We just have to start to have the will to make money. good common sense decisions. We're going to continue the discussion with Greg Walcher. But our Constitution is so important. And it's pretty brilliant. And our Bill of Rights is so important. And I'm really pleased to have the Second Syndicate as a sponsor of the show.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it. And do check out the website for AmericanValueCenter.org. And that's the website. It's the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. And a couple of things there. Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient and co-founder of the Center, has started a new podcast series. And so you can subscribe for that there. And then also, recently, there was a great On Values presentation by Norma Donlan. She is the widow of Roger Donlan, who was the first Medal of Honor recipient from the Vietnam War. She was born in a Japanese internment camp here in America. And it was a fascinating presentation. And you can see that by going to the website, AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is natural resources expert Greg Walcher and his book, I had everything right here in front of me, Smoking Them Out, The Theft of the Environment and How to Take It Back. And you can purchase that by going to gregwalcher.com. That's G-R-E-G-W-A-L-C-H-E-R.com. And Greg Walcher, this came in on the text line. First thing is, is there's no political will to solve these issues because the goal is to keep the conflict going with, ultimately, PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties controlling things instead of we the people. What's your thoughts on that?
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Well, I think there's some truth in that political will is always an issue, but it's bigger than that at the moment because there's also politics on the wrong side of the issue. We have, at the moment, there's a huge battle underway with the United States government, specifically the Bureau of Reclamation, over how they manage the dams and reservoirs and systems on the Colorado River, which all of Colorado is dependent on, not just those who live on the Colorado River. And the Bureau of Reclamation is trying to force Colorado to use less water that it's entitled to under the compacts and to exercise... an authority it does not have under any law to demand anything of Colorado. You mentioned the upper basin and lower basin states. The upper basin states have their own interstate compact, which is a deal made among states and ratified by Congress and signed by the president. The Bureau of Reclamation has no authority at all to demand anything as far as how much water Colorado uses, and yet that's the battle we're in because so much of the federal government is under the influence of of California. We have eight congressmen and they have 40. So we're always going to have to fight that battle. So it isn't just political will in our own state of our own people to be vigilant about this. They also have to be willing to take on the federal government and fight the other states in the ways that Colorado has always had to do. But every generation has to do it again. It's not a battle that just ends because we won it once.
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Okay, and you mentioned California, and this came in from our listeners, and she said this. She said, California has their own water derived from snow and rainfall, and yet they let that run out to sea, and then also said that California is destroying many of their dams and reservoirs. So your comments on those two things.
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Both true. When they had the big giant California fires, recently. They found several of the most important reservoirs in that vicinity had been drained already to supply water for salmon. That's a decision that they made. And I wouldn't question Californians' ability to make its own decisions like that, but we weren't consulted about it. And so when it comes around now this summer, they're going to say, there's a drought and our drought agreement's expiring and therefore we need more water from Colorado to And Colorado ought to just draw a line in the sand and say no. You made the decision not to store your own water. You made the decision not to build desalination plants and use the largest body of water on Earth to supply your own water. We don't have any obligation to give it to you, and we're not going to. That's the position Colorado ought to take. I don't have much confidence that that's the position the current government of Colorado will take, but it's where we ought to be.
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I totally agree. And then it is unbelievable to me that they are blowing up or destroying dams that have provided water for farming and ranching and recreation up in Northern California.
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Yeah, they tore down all four of the major dams on the Klamath River, which had created... one of the great agricultural zones in the West for more than a century. And a lot of historic farms and ranches are just dried up now. They made the decision. Somehow they've convinced people that dams are a threat to the environment, when in fact dams create environment. You know, Americans have done, we look at ourselves in the mirror and see the devil staring back at us in a way, because Americans are so self-critical. We've done more than any other nation in the history of the world to improve the environment. and to create habitat where there was none, particularly in arid places like western Colorado. But we don't give ourselves credit for that. Instead, we look at everything that mankind has done as a mistake and a threat. There's sort of an anti-people feel to it that's very off-putting, at least to me.
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And that is what I have learned is this whole movement is really anti-human. And so next question, as we've talked about water in the West, water in Colorado, the metro area had been growing, although right now Denver, I think, is in decline. Yeah. Um, but, but water is an issue. And, uh, in fact, one of my, um, uh, my former producer, um, was a train guy and was down in Southern Colorado, uh, on one of the trains, uh, historic trains there and staying at an, um, bed and breakfast. And, um, so I was talking with the owner and the owner said, so where are you from? They said, oh, I'm up from Denver. She said, oh, okay. well, there were a couple of suits down here last week trying to buy our water. And I thought, huh, that is interesting. So what's your thoughts about these metro areas trying to buy water from our farming and ranching communities?
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Well, that's been going on for most of our lives, and people in farming and ranching communities are deeply concerned about it, distressed about it, in some places where they've dried out the entire area. There is... You know, there's a critical mass in farming. If you're the only one left, you can't keep going because it also depends on the community and the others. And without that critical mass, there's no implement dealer. There's no feed store. There's no cafe in town. The whole rest of the community in many places is dependent on it. So it is a serious issue, and you can't really blame anybody. You can't really blame farmers, many of whom have gotten old and their kids went off to college and moved to the city and have no interest in taking over the farm. And along comes somebody, you know, there are a lot of places where their water is worth more than their land. Someone comes along and offers them money they couldn't hope to make farming. It's a little hard to blame them. But I blame the water leaders in the metro area for not looking at other alternatives, particularly when we still don't have enough storage facilities. to hold all the water they're entitled to in any of the river basins, including the South Platte. So they can still store more of the water. But they look at the system we talked about earlier where it may take 30 years to get a water project built, whereas today you can go out and buy out some farm and transfer their water within a year. So I understand they take the path of least resistance, but that doesn't make it right.
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And just think what this is going to do to our food supply. I'm concerned about that.
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Well, we should be. You know, agriculture takes a lot of energy and it takes a lot of water. And whenever the government wants to regulate either, people ought to be concerned about it. You talked at the very beginning of the show about showerheads. Same thing with the government trying to regulate what kind of dishwasher and refrigerator you can have and what kind of stove you can have in your kitchen. All that comes down to the government wanting to regulate our use of energy, just as an example. But almost every product that we buy of any kind takes energy either to run it or to make it. So how is that any different than government saying you can only have X amount of tomatoes per year and everybody can only eat one salad a week, or you can only have one pair of jeans and one pair of tennis shoes. All of that stuff involves energy. So why is that any different than regulating the energy that our dishwashers use? There is a point where people are going to have to say this is not an appropriate role for the federal government. And I think that's where the current administration is headed. But as you well know, it's going to be a huge fight.
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Well, and to that, I saw this headline. This was, I guess, yesterday. And it says, Trump plans to axe the decades-old Energy Star efficiency program. And I always thought that that was a bit coercive. And this is Newsweek that had this headline. What's your thoughts about that?
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It is coercive. And it has a dramatic effect on the efficiency of home appliances. And as I said at the outset, I'm for conservation. I think people ought to be conscious of how much water they're using in how long a shower and how much energy they're using with what kind of dishwasher. I'm okay with people being very conscious of that. But for the federal government to spend millions and millions, tens of millions of dollars every year trying to regulate something that they have no legal authority to regulate, Congress has never passed a bill creating that program. That's just a creation of the bureaucracy. So I think it's inappropriate. I always thought so. And if they abolish the program, I'm going to be cheering.
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So, Greg, you mentioned proper role of government. And I served on city council 2012 to 2016. And we talk about that we'd like to have government as close to the individual as possible. True. However, even your city councilmen need to adhere by this vision of the proper role of government, the vision of the declaration that all men are created equal with rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. We had Karen Levine on, a REMAX realtor, right before you came on, and she said that Lakewood is wanting to regulate the amount of square footage of home ownership units. And I would challenge that that is not the proper role of government, whether or not it's local or federal. What's your thoughts on that?
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I think all elected officials, all government officials, ought to be constantly aware and conscious about those founding fundamental principles of But there is a difference at the local level if somebody's on the city council in Lakewood. The difference being they have to walk down Main Street the next day and face the voters whose lives they just affected with some decision. Bureaucrats in the Department of Energy in Washington have no such obligation. They never have to walk down Main Street and face anybody. They're completely anonymous. No one knows who they are, which is why we've always said the government that's closest to the people, the more local it can be, the better. So, you know, local governments make dumb decisions too. But when they do, they tend to get voted out of office for it if they overreach. Whereas in Washington, there's so much less control over that. You can't even find out the name of the person who decided some of this crazy stuff. So I want the federal government out of the business first. And then we can concentrate on what businesses the state ought to be in versus the local government.
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Okay. Greg, fascinating. And thank you for your perspective on this. Your final thought for our listeners.
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They should think about water more and more. It's one of the hardest things that we face every year is keeping Coloradans up in arms about something that's been going on all our lives. There's a threat to our water. People just want to yawn and say, yeah, that's been going on always, which is true. But we constantly have to say there is a new threat. There is a new thing, and we really are going to lose if we don't fight it again.
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Okay, and that's why we shed light on these subjects. And great conversation, Greg Walcher, and we'll talk again very soon.
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Thanks. Good to be with you.
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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we're an independent voice we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom something's a good idea you should not have to force people to do it And I want to hear from you, text line 720-605-0647. And we've got a lot of texts coming in, and I'm going to address those. Before we do that, though, my friend Paula Sarles is on the line. She is a Marine veteran. She's a Gold Star wife, and she's also the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation Association. doing important work to help us remember and honor those that have given their lives, been willing to give their lives for our liberty. The official USMC Memorial is right here in Golden, Colorado. Paula Sarles, welcome. Well, thanks for having me, Kim. And a big event next Thursday out at the Ridge Golf Course in Castle Rock, Castle Pines, down in that area. And you know what? I haven't looked at the weather. Let me take a quick look at the weather and see what, of course, they never know for sure what's going to be happening. It's going to be beautiful. oh it looks like it's going to be a right now they say it's going to be a beautiful day so what a great great thing to do to get together um and uh golf a beautiful golf course meet some great people and support the usmc memorial so how's things coming along regarding uh all the different um silent auction items and the hole-in-one uh competition um prizes everything is moving right along and uh
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We're really excited to announce that two of our Iwo Jima friends who are 100 years old are going to be there for lunch that day. So I hope people might come out and say hi to them and have lunch with us. And you can register for that on our webpage at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. But Al Jennings and Jim Blaine will be there.
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Both amazing guys, really amazing guys. Paula, you had introduced me to all of them through Cooper's Troopers. That's where you and I met. Of course, you've introduced me to so many different people. At the time, there were six living Iwo Jima veterans going to Cooper's Troopers. Jack Thurman just recently passed on. But I interviewed all of them, except Al would not say yes to an interview. No. And it took us a long time to finally get him to agree. And then I think he was so pleased with the interview. Every time I see him, he gives me a big hug, and I really appreciate you making all that happen.
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Well, he's a dear friend, and I have a hard time talking him into doing things, too, but Since he found out my nickname was the General, he does what I tell him to do.
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That's great. That's great. Now, one other thing, and I haven't mentioned it much, and here we have Mother's Day right around the corner, and then Father's Day is in June, but a great gift. would be to buy a brick that will be on one of the pathways of service to honor your loved one's military service. It's a lovely gift to get a beautiful certificate. And I would highly recommend people do that because many times your loved one may be getting to an age, it's like, what am I going to buy them? But I want to acknowledge how much I love them. Well, when I bought that brick from my father and he received the certificate, it was one of the most special gifts that I think I'd ever given him.
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Yes, and we've had donations of bricks from 26 states. And I just helped a lady in Minnesota get one for her grandfather. So they love the certificates when they get them. I've gotten several letters from people that say how beautiful they are. And it does, it means a lot to these veterans when they get them. It's just a lovely gift, I think. And then it helps us keep going until we can get the remodel done and actually lay the bricks. Absolutely.
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It's a nice memory until we get to that point. So, Paula Sarles, how can people sign up for the golf tournament, buy a brick? What's the best way to make that happen?
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Well, the place to start is on our website, usmcmemorialfoundation.org. There's a red banner at the top for the golf tournament, or you can scroll down and there's a logo for the golf tournament. And the silent auction is right there. There's a red line that has click here for the silent auction. And we have some great things, a special cane made by one of our friends. That's a collectible and some other really neat things, trips and stuff. So people would like to look at that. And then if you just scroll down, you can see the BioBERT program for donations.
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Okay.
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Really easy-peasy to follow.
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And that website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That's usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Paula Sarles, thank you so much. And I'm going to be very excited to be out there for lunch at the golf tournament.
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Well, we're excited to have you, and I know it'll be a lot of fun.
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Definitely. Okay. And, again, that's Paula Sarles, USMCMemorialFoundation.com. Wanted to get through some of these text messages, and the text line is 720-605-0647. And we heard this from Mary. And we're in this battle of words. And she said, instead of calling those dams, we should call them biopools, the dams that are being destroyed on the Klamath River up in Northern California. And it just changed the definition. She said, biopools bring in diversity of plants and animals. We need to use language against the crazy climate crowd. She's absolutely correct. Next thing from one of our listeners, two things. She said it should be called the appliance inefficiency program because you have to run the dishwasher twice to clean the dishes. Sometimes you have to flush the toity twice, three times. So actually probably in the end it uses more energy, more water. And she has an interesting point. She said, living in the same community does not seem to affect the local decisions on school boards or city councils. People cannot keep up with the meetings they hold. She's absolutely right on that. There's all these different boards and commissions that then you have electeds that can hide behind it. You have staff that is really controlling everything instead of elected representatives. We need to reclaim our government at our local county, at local and municipal and county levels as well. So hold on here. Oh, Joe, I need your help. I somehow got out of my text messages here. Oh, here we go. And okay, next thing. Let's see here. We did these questions. Storing water for later use is similar to storing food for winter. It's called wisdom. Absolutely correct. And then Yvonne said it was Mike Applegate, a legend in northern Colorado water conservation, who shared the quote that you cannot have water conservation without water storage. That's from Yvonne. And I love this from Mark. Free market can actually make these decisions on conservation because people are already conscious of how much energy they use because they have to pay for electricity. But then that's another reason why, Joe, you and I were talking during break that if PBIs can control water, food, and housing, and of course electricity, Add in energy and transportation. Well, and Eric sent this in much earlier in the show. It's called slavery is what it is, right?
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Yes, ma'am. I absolutely agree.
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Okay, so let's see here. What else? I think that's it. And regarding Harry Howery, who was on in our elections, Ginny said this. This has shown us what links crooks will go to in order to still our voices. And Colorado, which was bright red, has been, you know, it's moved so radical blue, it's really hard to believe. And she said that Tina Peters gave us a look under the hood of what has been occurring. And now she's in prison for nine years. Just go figure on all that. So that's why those election lawsuits that we have with United Sovereign Americans and Wisconsin Center for Election Justice with Peter Bernager are so important. That's why the money that was raised for the appeal for Holly Kaysen and Ashep and Sean Smith are so important. And it's because of all of you, regular, everyday Coloradans. You looked at these things, you thought that they had merit, and you stepped forward and we raised the money to have those in place. I don't know where it's all going to end, but I do know that it's going to make a big difference. And so thank you to all of you on that. And our quote for the end of the show, I went to Alexander Hamilton because I was using the word tyranny. Tyranny is the word of the day. And this is from Federalist number 33. And he said this, if the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people whose creature it is must appeal to the standard they have formed and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution and As the exigency may suggest and prudence justify, we are in a constitutional crisis at this particular point in time. People are starting to pay attention. There is so much chaos and confusion. It's hard to know what's going on. As Susan said, there's so many boards and commissions at the local level, the county level. all these different pieces of legislation that were put forth in this legislative session. But we can do this, and that's why we do this show. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate less and well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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In this episode, Rick Hughes takes us on a journey through the gospel's impact on personal and spiritual growth. Discover real-life stories illustrating the importance of faith, humility, and the pursuit of wisdom as outlined in the Bible. You'll be inspired by tales of historical figures who have found new beginnings through the gospel, as well as modern celebrities who've embraced the Christian faith. Explore how the gospel serves as the ultimate tool for unlocking spiritual enlightenment and eternal salvation.
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Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
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Good morning, and welcome to The Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and for the next few minutes, you have a cordial invitation to hang around and listen for a little bit. No manipulation here. We're not trying to con anybody. We're not soliciting money. We're not selling memberships. We just want to give you some information that will help you verify as well as identify God's plan for your life, and if that's possible, Well, you can orient and adjust to the plan if you would like to. But this show is different than a lot of radio shows you hear because here we have no hidden agendas. Our agenda is simply to give you the truth, nothing but the truth. Because God gave you two ends. That's right, two ends. One end to sit with and one end to think with. And success in your life is gonna depend on which one of those ends you use. I might say heads you win, tails you lose. So stick with me, learn what the FLOT line is. It's 10 unique problem solving devices. That's all it is, 10 unique problem solving devices. When you learn these, and you apply them into your life, you can stop the outside source of adversity before it ever becomes the inside source of stress because stress is your choice. Adversity is inevitable. Stress is optional. And normally stress is what you do to yourself. Adversity, well, that's always what circumstances do to you. But it is possible to live a phenomenal life with no fear, no worry, no bitterness, no jealousy. It is possible to live a life like this called the Christian life. And it's found in Christ Jesus. Yes, it is. It's a new way of thinking. And that's why the Bible says we have to renovate our thinking in Romans 12, 1 through 3. Especially verse 3 where it says, Stop thinking of yourself in terms of arrogance beyond what you should think. But think in terms of humility as God has assigned to each one of us a standard of thinking from his word. What is that standard of thinking from his word I'm talking about? Philippians 2.5, let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who humbled himself and made himself of no reputation. The key to living the Christian life is, in fact, humility. Because without humility, there is no teachability. And without teachability, then there is no wisdom. There has to be a quest for knowledge and there has to be knowledge must be pleasant to your soul. And this is where we don't run into many people that are hungry for knowledge. Most people are satisfied to go through the ritual without much reality to it in the Sunday morning worship service. And that's fine. But for those of you that are hungry, those of you that want to know more, you have a hunger for the word of God. This is where it starts, getting under a well-qualified pastor who can teach you the Bible. And I'm not that man. I'm simply an evangelist that has a radio show. But I can point you in the right direction. And I hope I can expose you to enough teaching where it will ignite a hunger in your life where you'll want to go forward and grow on. Today I want to talk to you about the power in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. The power in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. If I told you that you could start your life all over again today, in other words, today could be zero number one day in your new life, that you could sort of have a divine reboot, would that interest you at all? Well, there is actually a way to do that very thing. Yes, it is possible to reboot your life. Our Lord Jesus Christ, the anointed Son of God, proclaimed to Nicodemus, a religious Pharisee, that in order to gain entrance into the kingdom, he would have to be born again. There would have to be a reboot in his life. In John 3, 3, Jesus said these words, "'Truly, truly, I say unto you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.'" Born again. Now, what in the world does born again mean? I mean, you've been born once. You came from your mom's womb, and your dad said to have a cigar. My wife had a baby. Maybe that happened. I don't know. But you were born, born physically. But physical birth runs out. Physical birth ends. And there's not hardly a week that goes by that one of my friends hasn't passed away or a celebrity hasn't passed away or someone you know hasn't passed away. This is indicative and proof of the fact that life ends physical life, but not spiritual life. If you want to inherit the kingdom of God, if you want to live forever, you must be born again. A statement like this was foreign to someone with a religious background like Nicodemus because he always assumed that he would be granted entrance based on his racial profile and keeping the law of Moses. But Jesus said to him in John 3, 5, Truly, truly, I say unto you, unless one is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Born of water, that's the natural birth. A woman's water must burst before the baby can come forward. And born of the Spirit, that's the spiritual birth. That's the second birth. You're born into this world with a body and a soul, but a dead human spirit, spiritually dead, separated from God because of Adam's original sin imputed to you. That's why the Bible says, for by one man, sin came into the world and death by sin. And now death has passed on all for all have sinned. The wages of sin is death. So we're all born spiritually dead. but we can all be made spiritually alive in Christ when we receive him as our savior. Of course, Nicodemus was taken back with this statement that Jesus Christ made, and his answer was, how can these things be? And the Lord said, I'm surprised that you being a Pharisee don't know the answer to these things. The answer is in the power of the gospel, which is the good news of God, the good news of God's plan for you. We have that good news in print. It's in the Bible, the Holy Scriptures. It's recorded and revealed how God's plan works. And Nicodemus heard it from Jesus Christ face to face. Now we have it provided and protected by means of the scripture, the Bible. The verse you know, you've heard it since you were a child. John 3, 16, God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. This is the most important statement ever made to fallen mankind. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, his work on the cross provided redemption for our sin. That's great news since we couldn't pay for it ourselves because nothing, I repeat, nothing that we could do would ever satisfy the justice of God. Only the sacrifice of a perfect lamb, the lamb without spot and without blemish who took away the son of the world. Jesus Christ did that. That's great news. So Paul wrote in Romans 1.16 these words. I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ. For it, it, I repeat, it. What is it? The gospel of Christ. It is the power of God unto salvation. To everyone that believeth. Everyone that does what? Believeth. No, wait a minute, Rick. Doesn't it say believe and quit driving around in a Chevrolet? Doesn't it say believe and quit going fishing? Doesn't it say believe and don't drink any more RC colas? No, I'm just kidding. It says believe. That's it, period, over and out. That's why the Bible says believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Man has to add stipulations to it. He'll tell you you can't be saved if you're not baptized. He'll tell you you can't be saved if you smoke and drink. He'll tell you you can't be saved if you dance. All kind of weird stuff. But this verse says whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. And then Paul went on to write these words, I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ. It's the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, as I said. To the Jew first, also to the Greek. The gospel of Christ, if we go into the New Testament in the day in which it was written, You remember it wasn't written in English. There are some people that are so naive, they think that the inspired Word of God is the King James Version of the Bible, and they'll fight you over it. There are a lot of versions of the Bible. The inspired Word of God were the original manuscripts, which had been lost. We don't have the original manuscripts, but we have copies of the original manuscripts. And those copies are accurate to the T. And so the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation. The gospel is pronounced , , , the gospel of Christ. What is that? It's the proclamation of the grace of God through Jesus Christ. As the messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words and his deeds and even his death and resurrection, the narrative of the sayings, deeds and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ came to be called the gospel or the good tidings, the glad tidings of God. This is good news for all who hear it. Oh, this good news, this gospel comprises the preaching concerning Jesus Christ as having suffered death on the cross to procure eternal salvation for each one of us in the kingdom of God. But as he was restored to life and exalted to the right hand of God the Father in heaven, thence he's going to return in majesty to consummate the kingdom. so that it may be more briefly defined as the glad tidings of salvation through Christ. The proclamation of the grace of God manifested and pledged in Christ is the gospel. Mark 16, 15, and he said to them, go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 9, 18, what is my reward then? Verily that when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel. Paul never charged anybody for the gospel message. And let me say, it is completely out of line for any preacher, any evangelist, any pastor to charge for the Word of God. That is wrong, out of line, completely. And in my opinion, we don't even take offerings. If you're going to have a, quote, revival, as many churches do, and you want to bring lost people to hear the gospel, the life-changing message of Jesus Christ, don't take an offering. Why put an offering plate in front of them? Thinking they can assuage their guilt complex by putting 10, 20, or 30 bucks in the offering? No, forget it. It's not about the offering. It's about the gospel. Go into the world and preach the gospel. That's what the Lord Jesus Christ said. And Paul said it. I will not abuse my power of the gospel. Since the gospel, the good news, the word of God is the power of God. Anyone who handles it, any one of us that touches it, any one of us that talk about it. We must be held accountable and careful not to misrepresent the message. If I misrepresent the gospel, God will hold me accountable. I can't tell you something that's wrong and get away with it. And it happens every day because Satan has his own emissaries. He has his own preachers. He has his own doctrine. There are men in the pulpit that are not even saved today. And they will preach another gospel, a social gospel. And that's not the gospel of Christ. That's not the forgiveness of sin. That's not the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. That's not the eternal kingdom. That's not that at all. Since the gospel is the power of God, it must be carefully handled. And thus Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 2, 4, but as we were allowed of god to be put in trust with the gospel even so we speak not as pleasing men but pleasing god who tries our convictions checks out our motivation we were put in trust with the gospel what an amazing statement god does that for you also He put you in trust of the gospel if you understand it, if you know it. There's nothing wrong with you asking your best friend a simple question. If you died today, would you go to heaven? Or maybe you could say, do you want to go to heaven? Do you know how to go to heaven? There's nothing wrong with asking that question. That's not an invasion of someone's privacy. because you hold the key you hold the key to changing a life radically by one simple decision they make whenever your friends or your family members make a decision to believe in the lord jesus christ they are like nicodemus born again born into a new life born into a new kingdom born into a new future. And that's the most critical thing we can do is give the gospel to our friends and our family, those that we know. Paul wrote in Ephesians 1.13, "...in whom you also trusted." That's you and I, after we heard the words of truth, and as we responded to it, the gospel of our salvation, in whom also after we believed it, then we were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. So two things have to happen. Someone has to hear it and someone has to believe it. And then God seals them with the Holy Spirit. He locks them in and they're not ever going to lose that salvation. Jesus said, I'll never leave you. I'll never forsake you. I give unto them eternal life and they will never perish. Neither shall any man ever pluck them out of my father's hand. What an amazing statement. And so someone has to hear it and someone has to believe it. And you are the messenger. You and I are the ones that must give the message. We have been put in trust with the gospel. We understand what it meant when he went to the cross and paid for our sin. We understand how the barrier between God and man was removed. We understand that it's faith alone in Christ alone. As the Bible says in Ephesians 2, 8 and 9, for by grace are you saved through faith. It's a gift from God, not of works, lest any man would brag about it. And so the gospel must be heard and the gospel must be believed. And then it produces a new man in Christ. If there's anything that Satan, aka the devil, does is to pervert the gospel. It's number one to get you not to talk about the gospel, even though you have the most powerful thing in the world at your fingertips. The power of God is in the gospel. Those words can change a man's life and destiny forever. When you explain to him the sacrificial death of Christ on the cross and how he paid the penalty for his sin, if that man you explain it to believes it and receives Christ as his Savior, he has eternal life. His life is changed forever because of the power of the words that you gave him. You have more power than an atomic bomb. I mean, we can kill people. We can develop military weapons that kill the enemy. But we can't save people. Only God can do that. And you have the weapon that saves people. It's called the gospel. The good news, the life, the burial, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the anointed son of God. When we believe the gospel, we become one with the Lord Jesus Christ. In 2 Thessalonians 2.14, where unto he called you by our gospel, Paul said, to the obtaining of the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. There's glory awaiting you, glory in eternity, and there's glory now. There's glory now, to be able to live and experience God's plan in time is a glorious thing. So when we believe the gospel, we become one with Christ, we share his inheritance, and we share his glory. It's amazing. I want to give you an illustration of the power of the gospel. I'll show you how God works across the generations and how it's an amazing thing. When we believe the gospel, I want to give you the story of Edward Kimball. I know you've never heard of Edward Kimball. I had not either until recently as I was researching this message. But he was a Sunday school teacher who prayed for the boys in his class, and he sought to lead each one of those boys to Christ. Maybe you teach Sunday school. Maybe you have done the very same thing, prayed for the young children in your class. Well, there was one young man in his class in particular that he thought about. And that young man did not seem to understand what the gospel was about. So Edward Kimball went to the store where he was working, stocking shelves, and confronted him. back in the stock room with the most importance of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That young man, his name was D.L. Moody. In the stock room on that Saturday, D.L. Moody believed the gospel and received Jesus Christ as his savior. You might not know who D.L. Moody is. You should look him up on the internet because in his lifetime, he touched two continents for God with thousands and thousands of people professing to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ through the gospel message God entrusted to D.L. Moody. But it doesn't end there. I mean, from Kimball to Moody, actually that's where it begins because under Moody, another man's heart was touched for God named Wilbur Chapman. And Chapman became an evangelist who preached to thousands of people in his lifetime. One day, a professional baseball player who had a day off strolled into one of Chapman's meetings, and thus the famous evangelist Billy Sunday was converted. Billy Sunday quit baseball and became part of Chapman's team. And then Chapman became to be a pastor of a large church and Sunday began his own evangelistic crusades. That's really amazing, but that's not the end of the story. The thread continues because another young man was converted whose name was Mordecai Ham. And he was a scholarly dignified gentleman who wasn't above renting a large hearse. and parading it through the streets advertising his meetings. One day he came to Charlotte, North Carolina, and a sandy-haired, lanky young man who was in high school vowed to his friends that he would never go hear that man preach. But Billy Frank, as he was called by his family, did eventually go. Ham announced that he knew for a fact There was a house of ill repute located across the street from the local high school, and the male students were skipping lunch to go over and visit the house of ill repute. So the students decided to go interrupt that meeting of Mordecai Hound, and Billy Frank decided to go see what would happen when they did it. That night, Billy Frank went and was intrigued by what he heard. So he came back another night, and that night that he came back, he responded to the invitation to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Here's the power of the gospel. Billy Frank became known as Billy Graham. the evangelist who preached to more people than any other person who ever lived, including even the Apostle Paul. So, I mean, it's not hard to find celebrities, people that know who Jesus Christ is. But where it goes from there, sometimes it's another story because many never learn God's plan after salvation. What's next? The gospel is the door that enters you into the plan of God, but there's more. It's not just believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved. I mean, that is, yes, that is all it takes to be saved. But as a saved person, as a redeemed person, as a believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible says we're to grow up in Christ. We're to study to show ourselves approved unto God, workmen that need if not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. We're told in the Bible to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I mean, there are many, many celebrities who have trusted Christ. People you may know of like Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt, after sharing his faith in a September 2018 interview with the Associated Press, his message on faith was more clear in social media posts later regarding his fiancee, whom he married, Katherine Schwarzenegger. And he said this, I'm thrilled that God put you in my life and I'm proud to live boldly in faith with you. Faith. There's a singer named Faith Hill. I bet you've heard of her. And she's a devoted Christian. And she says, having a backbone of spirituality makes me a little stronger. I pray a lot. And when I first moved to Nashville, that's what kept me alive. I believed that I was being taken care of and I applied it to my life every day. That's how I've always looked at things. Celebrities like Chris Pratt, Faith Hill, Tyler Perry, Chuck Norris, Carrie Underwood, Mr. T, Johnny Cash, Reba McEntire, Garth Brooks, Denzel Washington, even the great Tim Tebow, all have believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and all have seen the power of the gospel in their lives. It's amazing. The story goes on and on from John Rockefeller to Adolph Coors IV and his testimony, how he got saved. And it's just amazing. I mean, man can build fantastic weapons of war designed to kill and destroy, but only the gospel, as I told you, only the gospel message can transform and change a living human being. Why, you may ask, why can it do that? Well, the Bible says clearly, if any man's in Christ, he's a new creature. Old things pass away and all things become new. That's the new birth. That's the new life. That's the power of the gospel. When you believe the Lord Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, when you put your faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross and say, Father, I believe and I would like to receive Christ as my Savior, a simple prayer changes your destiny, changes your life. You won't feel it. You may not even sense it, but it works because God said it. Whosoever should call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. That means we become a new racial species. Once we receive Christ, we're placed into God's royal family, and we're made heir to all that Christ is heir to. Paul wrote in Galatians 4, 7, "'Wherefore thou art no longer a servant in bondage to sin,' but a son, and if now a son, then an heir of God through Christ Jesus. We've been made justified, acceptable to God by grace, when the perfect righteousness of Christ was imputed to us at our faith. Faith alone in Christ alone, for he has made him, 2 Corinthians 5, 21, the one who knew no sin to be sin for us in order that we might be made the righteousness of God through him. a new species, that's us, a new lifestyle, living by faith, learning God's protocol plan, and fulfilling our spiritual gifts. You know, a conversion to Christ does not delete your volition. You still face temptation. You still face testing on a daily basis. And you are a product of your decisions, beginning with the first decision, the best decision, the most wonderful decision, the decision to receive Christ as your Savior. But amazingly, your conversion gives you two supernatural elements to combat the devil's world, which you just came out of. You have the supernatural power of God the Holy Spirit, and you have the supernatural power of the living Word of God. And it's in the Word of God the plan unfolds. and it's the Holy Spirit that gives you the understanding and helps in the application, but you still must decide. Do I want to learn it? Do I want to fulfill his plan for me? Is your life so full of distractions you have no time to even grow daily? I mean, even a new infant has to grow up, and we as believers must grow up. We must grow in Christ Jesus. We must use our volition to grow because the Bible says happiness grows belongs to the man who finds wisdom and the man who finds understanding. That's in the plan of God, understanding the protocol plan of God, the direction that you must be going once you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I'm so happy to give you this message. It's my prayer you've listened closely. And if you've never made a decision to receive Christ as your Savior, you will do it today. Thank you.
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HR2 Bret Boyd: Drone Warfare, Oil Regulations, Trump and Trade Deals with the UK 5-7-25 by John Rush
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All right. Welcome back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Brett Boyd joining us now. Brett, welcome. How are you?
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John, how are you?
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm doing very well. You are a co-author of the book Catalyst Leadership and Strategy in a Changing World. And our main focus today, Brett's going to be talking about just some of the tariffs and things that are going on and, you know, Trump trying to move some things back on shore. And it's one of those topics I've talked about really a lot here of late, especially. But one of those things that I I'm a small business owner. I talk about those things on a pretty routine basis. And I guess I just want to get an update from you. Where are we at with all of that, and are we going to succeed in bringing some of these things back home?
SPEAKER 11 :
Look, I appreciate you asking the question, John, and the perspective I bring here. So I'm the co-founder and CEO of a company called Sustainment. And we work with tens of thousands of American manufacturers. We build software to make it easier for companies to find and get work done with U.S. manufacturers. So we spend all day talking to supply chain teams of companies who are trying to onshore manufacturing and also manufacturing suppliers who are benefiting from this. And there is definitely a lot of action going on. So a lot of onshoring, a lot of new customer conversations are happening in manufacturing today.
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Okay, so before we move on, I just want to throw this at you because you hear from media, and I don't listen to a lot of news media. I'm one of those where I do this show, I do very little watching of television, listening to other hosts. I don't watch podcasts. I mean, I'll pick up a few things here or there and tidbits, and I do my own research for my show on a daily basis, Brett, but I don't listen to a lot of media in general. But You get a feeling, and I do see some of the things that are publicized on a routine basis. And, man alive, if I didn't know any better, Brett, we've lost the war in this area. The reality is we can't make anything in America any longer. If we don't have offshore support, the reality is we're dead. Is that true?
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I think that is 100% true. And I think people miss the narrative when they get caught up in what percentage of tariffs on this country versus that country. At the end of the day, when you step back, we have lost the ability to build ships, drones, pharmaceuticals, you name it. There are a lot of different categories which we have lost the ability to build as a country, and we simply need to ensure our economic prosperity and our national security, candidly.
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Okay. You and I are on the the same boat. And by the way, I think a lot of that, in my opinion, was done by design. I think there were some individuals, plural, I don't think it was any one person, but I think we had an entire movement that started to happen. Oh gosh, Brett, I'm 60 years of age. When I was even in My teen years, you could start seeing some of these things start to develop and happen. And then we entered into the 90s and 2000s. It really ramped up. And the reality is things just started getting shoved off into other areas. And frankly, it was to our demise.
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Absolutely. It's also worth saying, I mean, this whole issue for me revolves around China. Like China has done a very good job. They have been very thoughtful and very patient in investing in these strategic essentially sucking up all of the manufacturing around the world into these industries. And they've done it very deliberately and very proactively. And this is the reality that we face now. And so we can argue if those policies that existed in the 90s and even earlier, maybe the full free trade policies made sense then, but they certainly do not make sense now, in which we live in a very competitive world with a very capable competitor, at least in manufacturing.
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Okay, so how do we start bringing some of this stuff back? I've got my own thoughts along those lines. Again, I've talked about some of those things, especially recently in light of everything going on, but how do we bring some of these things back to our soil?
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So I think it's actually worth looking at how we got to where we are today. And the answer to your question, I think, is baked in here. But essentially what China, so take China and let's talk about drones, for example. Okay. There is a drone, a Chinese drone company called DJI. DJI. It has a massive global market share in these small, attributable drones. That's right. And the reason that that's the case is that the Chinese government has put state capital into DJI for years. And that has allowed that company to sell drones around the world at really, really cheap prices. So if you're an American consumer, and in some cases these are law enforcement groups and actually government groups, and you're comparing drones, you could spend 25% the cost and buy a Chinese drone. So you end up doing that. The American companies that were building drones weren't able to compete with a company that was subsidized by the Chinese government. So they go out of business and then all of the economies of scale accrue to DJI in China and they get better and better and are able to do manufacturing cheaper and cheaper. Like this has been happening for decades. And this is what these policies need to address and need to attempt to allow American companies to compete fairly in global markets.
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And by the way, that's a great example. And most people understand, I think, what you just said. They understand the brand name. I want to throw one other thing in there, or at least ask a question along those lines, too. It's not only could folks buy a DJI drone that was less money than a lot of the competitors. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, Brett, but these particular drones, DJI, were also more advanced in a lot of cases than some of the other drones. So not only were you saving money, you were getting a better product at the end of the day. Am I wrong in that, or am I right?
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No, you're right. You're right. And this is a function really of the economies of scale. I mean, manufacturing is a scale business. And when you have an environment like that, where you have more and more business going into one manufacturer, that allows them to be cheaper, to be better, and really to... build at these enormous quantities that are remarkable. I mean, the BYD, the electric car factory in China, is as big as the city of San Francisco, which is crazy to think about.
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No, you're right. You're right. And again, I'm actually a car guy by nature. That's my background. So when you just said that, that's right up my alley, and you are correct. And they have done some things with their vehicles that, quite frankly, and for everybody else listening, if you haven't looked at that, yeah, they are doing things in the EV world, Brett, that most other competitors, Tesla included, just don't have the ability to do. Now, I also know that they have an unfair advantage because the Chinese government, it's a communist country, they are willing to invest money into things that, quite frankly, our model here, and I'm fine with our model, I don't want us doing that, but the reality is it's not a fair playing field.
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I agree with that. And I agree with your statement as well, is that we do not want to adopt the Chinese model. And I'm not arguing that at all. I think that the heart of American innovation is in our entrepreneurs, our small businesses. That's the talent pool that we really want to unleash and unlock. But I do think it's important for people to know exactly what we're up against, because this is a significant challenge that is going to take a long time to counter.
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It is, especially, and this is something I've mentioned even, actually, I've mentioned it almost every day this week, Brett. It's Thursday now, and this will probably be the fourth time this week I've mentioned it, but I'm going to say it again. One of the ways, and I'm a states' rights guy as well, so not only do I not believe in the Chinese model, I also don't believe in the feds coming in and telling states what to do. I'm a states' rights guy. With that being said, though, Brett, I also know that sometimes states and even local communities can get so hung up on everything from zoning and how that's going to work. And then you add on top of that all the different community meetings that have to have before even a business builds a building. I'm not talking about a factory. I'm just talking about building a retail building you don't want to put your business in. And then on top of that, we layer in all of the environmental and traffic and wildlife, and, and, and, and, and. You layer all these studies in, and if I as an owner want to go put a building up to go put my business in, Brett, I may not even be able to put a shovel in the ground for at least three years. We've got to speed that up some way, somehow.
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These are all parts of the Gordian knot that need to be untangled here. And I think tariffs are one tool of industrial policy. There are other tools related to how we work internationally and how we support American countries instead of international countries. To your point, that needs to be combined with all of these regulatory reforms to really unleash the power of the American entrepreneur. That really is how we need to compete. We need to compete by letting our people run and letting them actually be competitive in these global markets, understanding that the world is very difficult and it is a competitive place out there.
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And I am one that, yes, I want things to be done correctly. I don't just want a hodgepodge. Yes, I do think zoning, if done correctly, can help and can help a city thrive and so on. So I'm not saying, Brett, that we by no means should take all of that away. But I also know enough about how that machine works that it becomes a huge albatross, literally. It is literally, in a lot of cases, designed to slow down things and to really, in a lot of ways, if you and I were teamed up and we had come together and we wanted to put a development in and so on, in a lot of ways, a lot of these municipalities get together and figure out ways to discourage you and I from even making that happen. And I'm one that says we need to figure out a way to turn the tide and make that the opposite. Oh, amen.
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And John, here's an area where we spend a lot of time. So we build software for... Department of Defense teams as well to help them more easily access new manufacturers and bring more manufacturers into the defense industrial base, et cetera, et cetera. But that's an area that we drastically need reform. In order to be a new manufacturer for the Department of Defense, the amount of paperwork and the time that you have to spend is staggering. It's years and years of investment in all of these old regulations that were invented before the internet. They're hard to understand. There is a lot of work that needs to be done to allow that process to be normal. And to your point, there still should be qualification. There still should be process and so on. But all of these bureaucracies have just kind of grown to consume themselves. And it's a significant problem for the country.
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It really is. And for those of you listening, I mean, it's a significant problem. And a lot of you say, well, you know, that's the case for, you know, blue states. It's easier in red states. Brett, sometimes, sometimes not. Again, a lot of this comes down to even the local area, the local county, if you would, and who's actually running that. Because the reality is, it really isn't always a red state, blue state scenario. It does come down to exactly that particular area and where, in this particular case, this contractor may want to build. And I will say this, I do think that because of what I'm saying, some contractors, counties will look at this and say, man, we've got some real opportunity. We could bring some real solid jobs in if we loosen up some of the strings that are out there. Let's figure out a way to make this happen faster.
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That's how we think about manufacturing. I mean, we think that the way that manufacturing is going to come back is we're going to put policies in place that that drive more business into US small and medium-sized manufacturers, such as tariffs. That will allow those businesses to invest in new equipment, to hire people at great wages, and to kind of tip this whole generational shift that has gone towards knowledge and information work and away from building and physical work in the trades. And we think that by driving economic activity into these businesses and again, our software is designed to make it easier to find and actually get work done with these businesses. But by doing that, this creates the virtuous cycle of more opportunity, more jobs, more capacity in the country. And we really think that that's what it's going to take to turn the tide.
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Can't disagree with you. As you can tell, we're on the same team. How do folks find you find the book and so on?
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As I mentioned, our company is called Sustainment. Our website is sustainment.com. And, yeah, please check us out. If you're a manufacturing supplier, we're free software for suppliers to be discovered by new customers, and we sell software into supply chain teams at larger companies who are trying to figure out how to onshore more efficiently. Awesome. Appreciate that.
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No, I appreciate you joining us. As you can tell, we're on the same team, speak the same language, and I appreciate what you're doing very much. Okay, me too. Thank you, John. Brett, have a great night. Appreciate it very much again. Brett Boyd, B-O-Y-D. The book is Catalyst, Leadership and Strategy in a Changing World. Up next is Al Smith. He did a great interview the other day, and you'll be hearing more of these from Al. On Al, I should say, as to how you can benefit, financially speaking, in retirement. Here is Al.
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Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial and the show you love, Retirement Unpacked, is here with me. How are you today, Al? I'm doing great. How are you, TJ? I'm doing great as well. I have a couple questions for you.
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As a financial advisor, do you also do taxes? No, I don't prepare my clients' taxes. I do, however, spend a lot of time talking to them about taxes. To use a sports analogy, tax preparation is like doing a recap of the game. What I do is more like creating a game plan and then following up over time to see how it's working.
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And how much are taxes a part of that game plan that you create?
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Well, with so many different taxes we're faced with, it becomes an important thing to take into consideration. It's not how much income you have, but how much you get to keep. In addition to federal and state income taxes, there's property taxes, state and local sales tax, and fees. And they all play a part in shrinking our income.
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What about people who already have really healthy balances in 401ks, IRAs? Won't they be facing significant taxes as they draw income from those accounts?
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Well, it depends. Everybody's situation's a little bit different. There's no one size that fits all when it comes to tax planning. But often when I work with people, we'll create a strategy where we will convert traditional IRAs to Roth over time. And that not only reduces taxes in the future, but it will also lower the tax they'll be paying on their Social Security.
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Is that kind of strategy really only for the wealthy?
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Not at all. Many of my clients who have modest IRAs have chosen to convert to Roth over time. They enjoy the freedom of having a tax-free nest egg that they can access on their own timeline rather than an RMD schedule.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. And one thing that I don't think I've ever spent much time explaining some of what I was even talking about a moment ago with our last guest, Brett. And regarding you are a business, you're a manufacturer. And by the way, this... There is a little bit of a scale to this. And what I mean by that, if you're a large manufacturer and you're going to build a large building, you may get a little bit more leeway on things than, say, somebody wanting to build a 10,000 square foot building. you know, building that's going to house your business. And maybe it's a business that you've got a little bit of retail, but you do some warehousing at the same time, or you're going to put up an auto shop or whatever the case may be. So let's just use a, you know, 10,000 square foot versus 100,000 square foot building. We'll use those as a comparison because I don't think most people out there and maybe even some of you listening, some of you have a lot of experience like I do with this, and you know exactly how that process works. But some of you out there listening, you may not have any idea as to how these things actually work and what the process is. So let me do this as quickly as I can. This may be something that I might have to do a couple of segments on, and I'm not going to bore you because there's a lot of ins and outs of this, but I don't think the average person really has any idea how much... goes into actually putting up a building when it's all said and done. I'm not talking about a development where you're putting in a bunch of houses and things like that. That's a whole other level that I can get into that I know some things about as well. But I'm just going to talk about your basic... building that you know you as a as a business owner want to put up or you know you're a you're even a developer where you own buildings like this and you want to put a building up and then be able to lease that out to somebody that could come in and occupy it in either case there's not much difference in the hoops that you jump through now i understand that depending upon where you are in the country some of this might vary a little bit although up and down the front range here the There's not going to be a lot of difference. In fact, I'm going to give you the basics. And in some cases, depending upon the town or city that you're trying to get into, it will actually get more cumbersome, not less. I'm going to give you the basics of what a just general rule of thumb would be to run through a county here in Colorado. And when you get into actual cities and so on, it will do nothing but keep stacking up on top of what I'm going to tell you it takes to actually build something. So number one, you identify a piece of property that you think would work. Now, here's where it gets dicey. If that building is in an area that actually is zoned for what you want to do, you're a little bit ahead of the curve. Potentially. And some of you guys are saying, what do you mean, potentially? Well, let me explain. So let's say, for example, you're going to put up an industrial building that maybe has a little bit of retail space that's needed in it, so you've got to have the right zoning to do both of those. But let's say that you have found a piece of property in that particular area, zoned correctly, that would work. Your next step is you've identified all of that. You have figured out, mathematically speaking, that I can make all of this work according to finances that I have and what my ultimate cost will be when it's all said and done, and I can make that work and I can fund it. And you've done all of that, by the way, on the front side. Because, by the way, you're not going to make your next step in purchasing said land and even going through that process without making sure that you can pay for it first. So we've determined all of that. We can pay for it. It will work. It's in the right area. It's zoned correctly. Because, by the way, if it's not, that's a whole other set of hoops that you have to jump through first. to even get it zoned correctly. So if it's zoned right and you're able to do it, you identify a piece of property, all that is done, handled, and so on. And your next step is, and by the way, this really depends on where that ground is, and make sure I can explain this correctly, where the ground is in its order of development. What I mean by that is if it's just straight raw ground and it's in an area that has the right zoning, just because it has the right zoning and it's raw ground doesn't mean you can pop a building up on it quickly. For example... does it have infrastructure going to said piece of property in other words is there city sewer and water nearby and if so how far away is it will the city even sell you a tap for said property because by the way they control a lot of that and they could very well say that well you know that particular property is a little bit outside of what we actually want to service yeah we service a property next door but yeah no we're not going to service that property These are all the things that you do in what you call your due diligence on said property to determine whether or not you can actually pop a building up. So once you've gotten to the point where, yep, the city will service it, here's what my tap fees are going to be, and some of you are thinking, tap fees? Yeah, you don't just get sewer and water. You pay the city for that right to be able to use their water and sewer, even though it's yours as a taxpayer. Yes, some of you are going to find some of that appalling that you have to actually pay a fee to tap in and use what you're already paying for with your tax dollars, but that's how it works. So you figure all of that out. You figure out what the fees are going to be. You put that on top of what your other costs are. Voila, done deal. Now the next step is you've got to go to somebody that is a architect and you got to get a civil engineer involved. The civil engineer, by the way, is the one that will tell you where drainage needs to be. How's that going to work? How do you tie into the existing storm drains that are there for the city? On and on we go. And yes, this is all part of a process of building a building. Once all that's done and you've actually got plans for a building, you then go sit down with a city planner and you say, here's my thoughts. Here's what I've initially got dialed in. What do you think? I'm not exaggerating. This is exactly how it works. City planner will come back and look at things and say, well, you know, here's what our original, this is funny, this is what our original plans for that particular property were. Yeah, they may say something like that. And you're thinking, well, wait a minute, it's raw land. What do you mean the city has a plan for that? Every city has what they call a master plan for development on all sorts of property that's not developed yet. even pockets whereby there may be open land inside of a city. Believe it or not, there's a master plan for how they want that to be developed. And if what you're wanting to do doesn't fit that, good luck. You may or may not even be able to build there. They may look at you and say, yeah, well, Charlie, you've got a great idea. And yeah, well, that's great for the community. And what you want to put up is maybe you're wanting to put up a center that would actually be helping youth. They may look at you and say, yeah, Charlie, that's a great idea. But yeah, that doesn't really fit into our master plan. So, yeah, you know, yeah, but no. Now, you can go in, you can apply for variances and all sorts of things, but what I'm going to tell you is, if it's not in the master plan, good luck. Good luck. Can you get the city to change the master plan? Yeah, again, good luck. Have fun. All of what I'm talking about takes an immense amount of time, energy, and money to make that happen. Because you're not doing it yourself, by the way. You're hiring experts that will come in alongside you to go sit in front of city council meetings, do all the drawings, and so on, to make all of those changes necessary, whereby you might get approval. Let's say, for example, you're in an area. The master plan says that works. You're now going to pop a building up. Yes, you sit down. You're in front of a planner. You're laying out your plans and they're going to look back at you and say, yeah, I think that might work. Let's you know, we can probably go to the next step. And I'm not exaggerating. That's pretty much what they say. And you're thinking to yourself, wait a minute. These are city planners. These are the experts. They should be able to tell you what's going to work and not work. Yeah, but they don't make the final stamp of approval. Because in most areas here in Colorado, and I think it's pretty much true across the country, the planner will then take your plans and your thoughts and what you put down on paper, which, by the way, you're paying to have all these things done. There's an investment on this side of things. They will then take your plan to council or to the county commissioners and say, here's what Charlie and John are thinking about doing on this particular piece of property. They then get some feedback back from counsel or commissioners on whether or not your idea actually is something they would entertain because it's not a rubber stamp. And so you can see how much time starts to now roll by as Charlie and I are trying to put this building up. And we've got our engineers and we've got our drawings and we've got our plot plans and we've lined things out. And by the way, all that costs money, like I said a moment ago. So we've invested all of this money. We've sat down in front of the planner. The planner has run some things through initially. Then they come back and say, OK, yeah, you know what? Council and the commissioners, you know, either or. Yeah, they think your idea might work. Here's your next step. And they give you a packet that then dials everything in as to all of the steps you will take and that will be required for you to actually get to the point where they will then approve a building permit. And by the way, everything that I just told you could take 18 months, and I'm not exaggerating. 18 months. From the time we're here, remember, I've probably already spent six months getting to this point. So now I'm looking at a two-year process before I can actually get a building permit, and that's on the good side, by the way. It could be three years, and I'm not exaggerating. Some of you out there listening and you're sending text messages that I haven't had a chance to read are probably verifying what I'm saying because some of you have gone through this process, and that's how long it takes. And by the way, some of you are saying, well, then why don't you just go to someplace like Cheyenne? It's worse there. I've got a friend that built a building in Cheyenne and the hoops you jump through there are worse than down here, believe it or not. Well, why don't I go here? Why don't I go? OK, what if that's not where your business is, though? What if that's not where you want to do business? What if that's not where you want to raise your family? You see where I'm going with this? There's all sorts of things that you may not want to go someplace else. You want to do it here. But then at the end of the day, here doesn't work. So, again, as I look at Donald Trump and he talks about bringing things back and we're going to onshore this and we're going to onshore that, that's all fine and dandy. But unless you've got cities, counties, states that are willing to embrace some of the things that I am talking about, which, by the way, the front range of Colorado isn't one of those because we don't embrace any of that. We push it away. We do everything possible to not have development, not bring development in. And I'm sorry, if you're somebody that sits on a council or you're sitting on a county commissioner and you disagree with me, prove I'm wrong. Prove I'm wrong. Because I'm not, by the way. And some of you would say, well, geez, John, how do you know so much about all of this? Because I've been involved in these things long before coming on the radio, by the way, and other endeavors that I have been in. And I am not wrong in anything that I am saying. And I'm not wrong in how long this stuff takes. The wheels of motion inside of a city or a county move at a snail's pace, and I'm not exaggerating. Literally, it is a snail's pace. So a lot of people think, well, I'll just go pop a building up over here on this corner. Yeah, good luck. Good luck. That sounds all fine and dandy, but good luck. Unless it's already built, and this is the other thing that can happen. This is what developers do, by the way. There's a whole world of people, like I just said, that do everything that I just mentioned, where they get a piece of property all the way to the point to where somebody could come along and start building. And by the way, that's what they do as a living is they get all of that done. They take all of that risk. They get all of the property tied up. They get it done at a price where they know they can actually make some money when it's all said and done and get what I call their entitlements. That's what they're called. They can get some of their entitlement money back. And at the end of the day, they then sell that off to the next day that will come and actually build. They never build. But they take a huge risk in getting it entitled to the point where somebody can build. And then they sell that off and the next guy comes in and builds. And yes, I know, developers take a bad rap all the time. But if you think about the risk that they have and everything that I just mentioned earlier and how much time they tie their money up, getting all of that said and done to hopefully have a payday at the end of the day, I'm not against developers because they have huge risk. Huge risk. There are a lot of developers that can get everything done that I just mentioned, put hard money down that they don't get back if things go south, get all the way down to the 11th hour, and much like Dr. Kelly on the Surgeon General end of things, all that gets pulled at the 11th hour, and they're left holding the bag. Happens on developments all of the time. In fact, cities and counties, in my opinion, should be sued over this stuff on a routine basis because they can screw up a deal in a heartbeat. And by the way, there's a lot of politics involved in what I just said as well. Whose palms are you greasing to be able to get your particular development through or not? And on top of everything I just mentioned, by the way, there's all sorts of meetings with residents around those said areas that you have to get involved and get approval of because the counties and cities won't do anything unless all the people around that have input. That's the politics side of it now. So where I'm going with all of this is we make it sound really easy to bring things back in and onshore, and Trump being a developer knows everything I just said better than I do. The reality is you've got to open up those channels and make things happen much faster than what they normally would, because I'm not exaggerating when I say your minimum for getting a shovel in the ground from date of conception on raw land to actually getting something built is two to three years, and I'm not at all exaggerating. In some cases, that may be faster than what would actually take place on that particular piece of ground. So I hope I explained some of that to a lot of you that are listening, because some of you may have never even heard that whole explanation on how long things actually take. But it's much more arduous and hard than what most people ever can imagine. And again, developers really get a bad rap at times when, frankly, they shouldn't, because they have huge risk involved in all of this, as I just said. So hopefully that explains some things. If you have any questions, you're always welcome to text me or email me directly at our text line, 307-200-8222. Now, speaking of investments, Mile High Coin. You yourself may have invested some things over time in coins, jewelries, collections, and so on, or you may have inherited or just throughout the years things found their way to you. If that's you and you have no idea what things are worth, give Mile High Coin a call. David Gonzalez. 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All right, I want to shift gears because I promo'd this, and some of you may want to chime in. Feel free to do so, 303-477-5600, or you can text us as well, 307-282-22, and that's the subject of tipping. Now, I've done shows and segments before on tipping, more so along the lines of, you know, what is the proper way to tip? What should you tip for? Those sorts of things. And we've done it, I don't know, over the course of a decade, probably two or three times. Now, I am one that believes in a tipping properly. What I mean by that is I'm a 20 percent tipper pretty much across the board. Sometimes maybe more depends on the service I received and, you know, the circumstances and so on. And frankly, depending upon how well you actually get to know the server. And some would say, what's that got to do with anything? Well, you know, you start establishing relationships with certain servers and so on. And as you do, you start learning about, you know, situations that they may have going on and certain things that are happening in their life. And maybe there's a particular situation where they've had a huge struggle that week. Maybe something happened where the, you know. car conked out or something along those lines and you know that they're struggling in some cases it could be a single mom and you know they don't have a lot of extra you know income and maybe don't even have a lot of family around again as you learn about these people because you go to usually the same places over and over and over again and you could end up having the same server you know there may be times where you decide that you know you're going to just give them a hundred dollar bill instead of your normal tip why because they need it And you want to be that influence in their life. And yes, I've done those sorts of things and still do and will do because you want to be a help to them at the end of the day. So my point is, yes, I think tipping is important. We live in a society in the United States of America to where a lot of things are not included in the price. And these particular individuals are relying on what you're doing tipping wise to make ends meet, to be a part of their income. And I have no problem with that. Now, where I do have a problem, and this is more along the lines of what I wanted to talk about today, is I'm also one where I'm not tipping you to put the, you know, and I don't go and get a lot of donuts or pastries or things like that. But, you know, occasionally, you know, my wife and I will be out or something, and she wants something along those lines. And so we go and get whatever it is. And I'm just not one, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but I'm not one to give a tip for taking tongs, putting them into the case, pulling out a cinnamon roll, let's say, sticking it in the bag and handing it to you. To me, there's not much tip deserved there. You didn't do anything. You're doing your job. You're doing what you paid for. Now, I don't know what the pay scale is and all of that. None of my business, by the way, because I don't run that business. But I don't really look at that. And maybe I'm wrong in this. And if you're one of those people, I'm sorry. And I'm not trying to be rude to you. But I just don't see that as much of a tipping position. And Charlie, maybe you've served things before, you've been in that world, and I just don't, you know. Now, does that mean I won't leave anything? No, but am I leaving a full 20% for somebody that handed me a cinnamon roll? No, I'm not. I'll just be straight up honest. No, I'm not. I might give them 5%, 10%, something along those lines, but I'm not doing 20% in a situation like that. And I'm for sure not doing it when literally the person did nothing. And here's what I mean by that. You go to maybe the sandwich shop and you order a BLT. and the person at the front counter does absolutely nothing other than punch the order in. The person back behind the kitchen area where you can see them getting a signal sent to them as to what they're supposed to make, and that guy's in the back making the sandwich, and they get it all made up. They even wrap it. They do everything, and all they do is stick it on top of the counter when they're done, and all the person does that rang you up is grab it and hand it to you. Again, is that a tippable position? Not in my book. I'm sorry, not in my book. They're not doing anything other than punching into the iPad what it is you ordered, and then they hand you said order, and off you go. Again, to me, not a tippable position. If I'm wrong in that, somebody please correct me. 303-477-5600. You know what? This is one of those areas where if I need to be corrected on this and my mentality is not correct, I'm all ears. I am open. Because I will tell you some of the other things that I do tip for that some of you may not tip for. So it's not that I'm against tipping at all. I'm not that person at all. But to just take an order... that you're most likely already getting a wage to do, I'm not tipping for that. Especially, let me go one step further, especially when there's not a lot of interaction between me and that person. In some cases, you may not even get a smile out of it. In my opinion, they're a cashier at that point. They're not doing a tippable, it's not a tippable job. It's like going to King Soopers, and instead of me checking out my own stuff, you go to the line where they check you out. But to me, it's no different. I'm putting my stuff on the belt. They're ringing it up. They tell me what the total is. I give them whatever it is, cash, credit card, whatever, and out the door I go. To me, it's no different. If I'm wrong in that, somebody can correct me, but I don't see it. I literally see it no different from one to the other. It's identical to me. So I don't believe in tipping a cashier. And some of you that are cashiers may be really mad at me for saying that, but I don't see that. Now, other areas where I do tip is if I go stay at a hotel, do I leave money for the maid? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Some would say, why, John? They're getting paid to clean the room and so on. Well... I don't know. I guess for me, I know what being in that position is like. I've never cleaned hotels, but when I was a kid, growing up in the car world, I tell you what, I have scrubbed a lot of toilets. I have cleaned a lot of urinals. I have emptied a lot of ashtrays. I have scrubbed a lot of cigarette smoke off of the inside of windows. I have cleaned up ashes out of carpet, and, and, and, and, and we go... I have thrown out dirty diapers. I mean, I can go down the list, folks, of things I've done in that world, and I know that's not a fun job. Cleaning up after people sucks. It just does. Charlie, you know exactly what I mean by that. It just stinks. It's not a good job. So my feeling is if I can do anything at all, a little bit to brighten their day, I do. What my wife and I have gone as far as to do, and I know I'm a weirdo, but this is me. We have actually, depending upon the time of the year that we are traveling, I have bought little, like, foldable business cards you print on your own printer. And it has our name on it. And if it's towards Christmastime, it'll say, you know, Merry Christmas, hope you have a great holiday, something to that nature. If it's another time of the year, we have other things that we print on them. And I actually fold those up and put that on top of the money that we leave the maids so that they know that we – in particular, Mr. and Mrs. Rush, appreciate what they've done. And it says that on there. And I know I'm weird, but I just feel like doing a little bit extra for those people goes a long way. Especially if I'm there for a multi-night stay, I definitely will do that because you'll be surprised the extra things they get you, by the way. Coffee, soaps, shampoos, different things along, extra towels, whatever. I mean, you'll be surprised the things that you get by just doing that. It's a huge bump, by the way, and it just makes your stay that much nicer. And by the way, I'm not talking about a ton of money. I'm talking about leaving $5 or so. It's not a ton. We're not talking $100 bill. We're talking $5, $10, something along those lines. It's not much. So that's something that I tip. I tip Bellman. If somebody helps me take my bags from X to X, yes, I'm going to tip them. I'm going to help them out. Again, that's how they make that is a part of what they do and what's included in their pay. Do I tip the folks at the front desk? Maybe I should, but no, I don't. To me, I look at them more as a cashier. They're handling things differently than what the bellman or the maid is. If I'm somebody, though, where you're out at the pool and they're doing special things for you and so on, will I tip the pool person? Absolutely. Absolutely. I give them extra as well. Anytime you get something from the restaurant or something along those lines, of course you're going to tip them because, again, it's a part of their pay. So, again, all of you may look at things differently, but this article, by the way, came out of Apple News, and it was about how people are tired of tipping for everything. Literally, they feel like they're getting tipped to death. And you know what? There's times I feel that way as well. Back to the counter situation where you're buying a cinnamon roll, and that person flips the screen around, and they want you to give them a tip. You didn't do anything. You handed me the roll. In some cases, they didn't even do that. They took the order. They're not bringing you the order. They're not walking it out to you in the dining area. They literally took an order, put it through, and that's it. And no, I don't feel obligated to tip in those particular situations. You know, for years and years, you know, I worked in the auto industry forever. Do I think you should tip your auto mechanic? No, you shouldn't. Their fees are built into what's going on when it comes to fixing your car. Now, if you want to do something extra for them, bring them some cookies or whatever, more power to you. But do you need to tip your auto technician? No. Do you need to tip your HVAC technician? No. Do you need to tip the plumber? No. Do you need to tip the electrician? No. You get my drift. Those are all factored into what those people are doing. You do not need to tip them. Now, if you go to get your car detailed and they're doing some extra stuff and they do a wash and a wax, it's one of those where they're doing a little bit more than what you normally would get. Should you tip that person? Yeah, I think you should. That's a different situation. So I'm one to say it depends on the circumstances. What did that person do? Did they go the extra mile? If they did, yes, I will tip them. But I'm not just tipping because you flip the screen around. I'm not into that, and that's one where I'm dead set. And as you guys can all tell from the stories I've already given, I have no problem tipping at all if it's deserved. If you're just flipping the screen around, though, on me and you want some sort of a tip, the answer is going to be no, and I'm liable to put in zero. Because to me, you didn't deserve anything at that point. All right, Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning, speaking of the HVAC end of it, no. Hunter at Cub Creek does not expect a tip. He's going to build all that into the price that he gives you. He's great at doing second opinions, by the way. So if you've had something already diagnosed but you want a second opinion, he'll help you with that as well. 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All right, we are back. Thanks, by the way, for all the text messages that came in on my last topic on tipping. I didn't have anybody that disagreed with me at all. In fact, most of you were saying the exact same thing. Some of you even, like Charlie, had worked in your past for tips and understand exactly how a lot of that works. And one other thing I wanted to add to that, too, for those of you that may be listening since Mother's Day is coming up this weekend. And a lot of you that especially are churchgoers may very well go to church. Maybe you'll take mom out after church or you'll go to brunch or you'll do something along those lines. And let me tell you what, the servers will know who you are because your conversations typically will lead to, oh, okay, those are folks that went to church or they don't go to church or whatever the case may be. Those of you that do, please don't leave a huge mess for your server, especially those of you that have little kids. And what I mean by that is if your kids make a big mess, do your best to pick up the big chunks at least and do what you can to try to make things a little bit better for the server. They're trying to get as many table turns in on a Sunday as possible. That's how restaurants make money, by the way, is they turn tables. One more thing, too, to help them out. When you're done with your meal, leave. Don't sit there and chatter for the next hour, hour and a half while you're sitting at the table. Some of you think you paid rent for that table because you had a meal there. You did not. You had a meal. Leave. You're done. Go. Let them have a table turn. That's how they make money. Don't sit there and dink around for the next hour, hour and a half, two hours just because you want to be there and you have nowhere else to go. Go talk somewhere else. It'll be a really nice day on Sunday. Go outside even. But leave. And I mean that sincerely. Don't sit there and hang out at the table. You're costing the restaurant money at that point. And no, you didn't pay for it. You didn't rent it. I'll leave it at that. We'll be back. Another full hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Join us as we navigate through the tangled web of political nominations with Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve (guest commentator), providing a candid look at the processes that shape our national healthcare leadership. The episode takes a critical turn as John Rush and his guests question the broader implications of appointing individuals to significant health roles without practical experience. This discussion reveals the challenges faced by healthcare systems and exposes the potential future of America's health policies amidst a sea of political maneuvering.
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SPEAKER 13 :
All right. Happy Thursday, everyone. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with us. I'll start with her as usual. Dr. Kelly, welcome.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you for having me, as always. Happy Thursday.
SPEAKER 13 :
It is a great Thursday as we head into Mother's Day weekend. Both you and Steve, happy Mother's Day. Steve, welcome as well. Thanks. Glad to be here. Always, always glad to be here with you guys as well. Always look forward to Thursday. And by the way, we get a lot of listeners that do as well. Always hear from folk either during or after we're done. And even when we're not here and I do our replay shows, I get lots of questions even during those. So people really do enjoy this time that we have together. So where where should we start? Dr. Kelly, let's start with you. A new surgeon general. Let's talk about that if we would.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, Jeanette Nashwat, who was the original name put forward for the position of Surgeon General, was withdrawn from the committee due to some issues around her qualifications and whether or not she'd been fully forthcoming with them. I think it was a... a good decision to pull her. The person who has now been nominated is Dr. Casey Means, who sort of parachuted in out of nowhere into this administration and into the Maha movement, as well as Bobby Kennedy's circles, relatively recently, along with her brother, Callie. It remains to be seen whether or not she can be confirmed. And Casey Means is a physician. She has an M.D. She did not. She went to medical school at Stanford and then went on to do a residency in Oregon that she did not complete. So she is not residency trained. She does not have a medical license. And she has never practiced medicine, nor can she as a result of not having completed a residency, which is a requirement to get hospital privileges in the United States. So while she has been a champion, as it were, recently for things related to health and wellness and really focusing on things like chronic disease and the way that we can address those things through medicine, better nutrition and exercise and those sorts of things I find it hard to imagine that she will have the confidence of 350 million Americans as America's doctor when she's never practiced medicine a day in her life.
SPEAKER 13 :
I can't argue with that, Steve. I think Dr. Kelly is spot on. And, you know, you and I can't practice medicine because we, like her, don't hold any kind of a medical degree and what have you. And I don't know this individual personally, although, although, As long as you and I and what we have done here on Thursdays and even what we do outside of this and the communication that three of us have and have had going back and forth the past five years, I don't think I'm going to step out on a limb by saying that, Steve, I think you and I probably have about as much experience to be Surgeon General as this person does. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I probably have more, to be honest with you. I've been in clinical spaces many more days than she has, that's for sure. I mean, just because she went to school and she spent some time in the hospital. I've been doing this for 42 years. That's not to say that I'm the right choice. Here's where I get into a struggle, and several people pointed out today that there have been nurses who performed the role of Surgeon General. In fact, there was a nurse in the Trump administration. And say, if there's a nurse, then why not Casey Means? Well, the difference is The nurses that were surgeon general, much like Kelly's talking about, actually worked in nursing. They saw what happens in a hospital. They saw what happens in practices. They saw how patients react and respond to different coaching and treatment and therapeutics and things like that. Casey, with all due respect, she's famous. And I'm really, really disappointed in this. I mean, I can tell you, I'm not going to take any advice from Casey Means. I haven't been taking her advice on the supplements she sells online any more than I'll take her advice as Surgeon General, because I've had enough of celebrities taking jobs in government that aren't capable of doing the job. Quite frankly, most of the Trump cabinet is solid. They have good people working in positions that can do the jobs. This is one position, while not a cabinet-level sort of position, it's It's one position I've really been disappointed in, and it's a doctor, and we just came out of a pandemic. And we've got chronic disease problems that are so significant.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
I also would add that I have concern always about somebody who, as I said, parachutes in out of nowhere. Steve and I have been involved in this fight for decades. I ran a health and wellness company back in the year 2000 where I was preaching that we cannot manage health care costs if we don't manage health. uh cali means was 12 years old when i was doing that um you know she is she does not have the gravitas in my estimation furthermore the fact that she quote wrote a book uh means nothing uh the book is not well referenced and i don't know that she herself wrote it furthermore her father her and her brother Kelly's father is a big time pharmaceutical executive. So it really makes me wonder then to add to all of this sort of concerning choice. Nicole Shanahan, Bobby Kennedy's former vice president's choice when he was running for president, has come out with a scathing review online. saying that she was promised if she backed Bobby and stood with Bobby as his VP that the Means siblings, meaning Callie and Casey Means, would be nowhere in HHS. In other words, Nicole Shanahan had grave concerns about these two way back in the fall of last year. So I think there's something, there's a piece missing here that I don't understand this choice other than you have to start to believe that there's something else at play here. And I don't, unfortunately, Bobbi Kennedy, as smart as he is and as well-intentioned as I believe he is, he's not a physician. I don't think he understands the importance of actually having completed a residency, passing your boards, being board certified, becoming a fellow of your respective college. and actually practicing medicine as an independent physician and what that gains you, not only in credibility, but in true real life experience. This would be tantamount to, you know, elevating somebody to be attorney general who had graduated from law school, but had never practiced a day of law. It would be preposterous.
SPEAKER 13 :
Which I'm going to just jump in for a moment, Dr. Kelly. Steve, I'll let you have a comment in a moment. And while I have a lot of respect for RFK Jr., and I know you do as well, Dr. Kelly, I guess I just have to question, okay, time out. I don't think he's that naive. In other words, he knows far more about this than probably even I do, Dr. Kelly, and there's no way that I would sit in his position and appoint somebody like this knowing they don't have any real medical background whatsoever. I also am not a doctor, although, again, I've been with you guys long enough now to where I feel like I know a lot of elementary things and no i'm not going to go operate on anybody or prescribe anything to anybody or do anything along those lines at all because i don't have the authority nor the wherewithal to do so although the basic premise of how things work i would not have appointed this individual dr kelly and i'm not him and he is way smarter than i am by the way at the end of the day the question i guess i have to ask is who's really pulling the strings
SPEAKER 04 :
I think that that's a legitimate question. And if, in fact, Bobby Kennedy and his staff have been bamboozled such that they don't see that there's something awry here, then that speaks for itself as really problematic. But I might remind people that while the surgeon general position is not really one of making policy, it really is one to be of communication and to lead right that is true but that person is in charge of more than 6 000 volunteer medical corps highly trained working healthcare professionals and i hate to tell you i simply don't think you are going to garner the respect of thousands and thousands of people who have leagues more experience than she does i mean i i just don't see that happening so i'm concerned about it it will remain to be seen what happens during the confirmation hearing as i said i think she may face some tough questions like you know you don't have an active medical license and you didn't finish your residency you're not you know you've never practiced independently and i Although she will tell people and she says in her book that she dropped out because she learned that the system was corrupt and wasn't focusing on the right things. And something about it just doesn't quite pass muster to me. She had one more year to do to finish her residency. I'm not sure why she wouldn't have done that so that she could complete her residency, get a medical license, and at least then she could go out and change the world as she saw fit. But to drop out and lose all credibility as a physician, I think is somewhat problematic.
SPEAKER 13 :
Steve, and I know you've got thoughts on this as well. We were texting a lot, you know, back and forth and around this morning. And you know my pick for this, and I know your pick as well, Steve. And I've got people texting in right now that, you know, their pick would have been, you know, Dr. Kelly, of course. And so I'm telling people back, those of you that are texting in, by the way, you know what? Voice your opinions. You have representatives. You have people that you can talk to. You have the ability to send things off. If that, in fact, is your feeling, then send those things off. Am I wrong, Steve?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I don't think you're wrong. And with all due respect to my friend Kelly Victory, I think she possesses one problem that's getting in the way here, and that is that she's too damn strong. You know, she has too many credentials, too many things figured out about how this should work. She understands disease. She understands patients. She's practiced medicine a lot. She's been on the front edge of what works, especially during the COVID process. For politics, you know.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, hang on. I want to add one more thing to that, Steve, as to what you're saying there, too, because I believe you're correct on all of that. One more thing. all of the things the three of us have talked about for literally now the past five years regarding COVID, the mRNA jab, all of those different things. Yeah, Steve, I would even layer that in our three's position on all of that. I would layer on top of what you just said as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
I would agree. So let me just give you one example of where Surgeon General Means is not going to do something that I want Surgeon General Victory to do, which is She's going to look at American health and she's going to determine that chronic disease is, in fact, rampant. We all know that. But Kelly understands things like why people don't take their drugs because they're too expensive and what that means when PBMs are running rackets and what it means when you can't get access to care. All of those things. I mean, Casey's never been involved in. Now I realize that's Bobby Kennedy's job in HHS and it's Mehmet Oz's job in running Medicare and Medicaid, but the Surgeon General is in more aspects than anybody else in any of those roles. They are standing in front of the patient to the system. And so you need somebody who believes in patient rights, who understands what patient problems are, understands what the problem of the system is. You stand looking inward toward HHS, representing the patient, telling people what to do. I can think of nobody better than Kelly, and I think the problem is that anybody who's hired on the other side looking outward is not going to get the job done.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, you're right, and Steve, I think you're 100% correct. Dr. Kelly, just like I think there's a lot of times – people like myself might be asked to do certain things, even speaking engagements and things along those lines. Unfortunately, though, because I don't mince any words, I sort of blurt out the truth, if you would. I research everything to make sure that it is, in fact, truthful. I mean, you and I are very much the same, so is Steve, along those lines. Unfortunately, when it comes to things along these lines, probably doesn't bode real well for us, or am I wrong?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I think that's exactly right. And two things. Number one, the reason it's so important from my perspective for the surgeon general to have experience as a practicing physician is for the reason Steve intimated, because I know firsthand what it is like to try to get surgery. a patient pre-approved for a procedure, for example, to go through the insurance process, to understand what it is for patients to face crushing medical bills, not be able to fill their prescriptions, what it means to have a backup in the OR for your hospital to go on bypass. I know what those things are because I've lived them and I know how to deal with them. I know where the problems are in the system. Frankly, to be very honest, and I think, you know, you two are certainly aware that I was very, very close to this nomination. And I think, if anything, probably sunk that ship in the 11th and a half hour. It's that it was very clear that I was going to stand staunchly for the immediate withdrawal of the mRNA injections from the market. This is something that should have happened years ago. And I think that that stance in and of itself was going to ultimately be intolerable, if not to the president, certainly to the confirmation process, meaning that they thought they would never get somebody through. Casey means has never. ever made a negative statement about the mRNA shots. She has never suggested that they should be pulled from the market. She has only focused on other things regarding metabolic health and those sorts of things and has taken no hard stance on the issue of vaccines. And I think that has helped her become the darling.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us today. We appreciate it very much. Talking about the Surgeon General nomination. Now, Dr. Kelly, they don't go through the same process and confirmation that RFK Jr. went through, but they still have to go through some questioning and so on. Am I correct in that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely. She still will go through a committee, and has to go through the confirmation process in front of the Senate, I do think that she will face some element of questions where Dr. Nashuot, I think, would have been easier to get through the Democrat side. I think that Casey Means may face some tough questioning from some of the Republicans in there. Despite all that, I can guarantee that they will not put her in front of the confirmation hearings unless they are darn sure that they have the votes to get her confirmed. You know, this is going to be already it's sort of a black mark on President Trump to have a second or third. You know, you have it with, you know, you already had it with Matt Gaetz. You've had other people withdrawn. And so you want to limit the number of those because the optics are bad. I just am concerned really somewhat about the vetting process here. in conversations with people, including Bobby Kennedy recently, it makes me wonder if they truly understand exactly what these people's credentials are or aren't and really understand the process. They seem to not understand exactly what's required to do things like practice medicine. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. I guarantee they won't put her in front of the committee unless they're sure they have the votes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Interesting. Steve, go ahead. And I'm I am surprised at some of the things Kelly is. I guess maybe I'm not surprised because there's times I wonder, you know, and you and I've talked about this one on one outside of Dr. Kelly. You know, I have a firm belief that the majority, not in this case with RFK Jr., but the majority of politicians themselves, Steve. Frankly, and I'm sorry, maybe I'm wrong in saying this, but I think a lot of politicians, frankly, just don't have a lot of wherewithal outside of getting elected and raising money and knowing who to pander to outside of that. I'll be straight up honest. I don't think that the brightest bulb out there.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I mean, I think there's there's truth to that. I mean, think about it this way, first of all. Trump wanted a bunch of outsiders. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I mean, the whole Doge concept itself was an outsider concept. You know, you need outsiders. Well, there's a healthy mix where you need a healthy mix of outsiders politically, but you also need people who understand how the system works so you can break it and fix it properly. Because if you don't understand how it works, then you don't know what to break, and you end up falling in a line with certain things. I mean, anybody in the HHS who takes a while to figure out how the system works means with a four-year period time you're gonna get a little done right you have to bring people with a who've got a plan an agenda all of that's important in the process now politicians in general but i was in politics i mean i think that if you're the person who decides that you're gonna take your great big brain and you're gonna spend it in twenty or thirty years making a hundred and seventy five thousand a year in congress or thirty thousand years of state legislator of the state You either have a huge benevolent heart or you've got the math wrong. It isn't the greatest place in the world to make a difference and to do it in a way that you can support your family in a positive thing. That's the problem I think we have.
SPEAKER 13 :
I can't argue that. Dr. Kelly, again, you've been around a lot of politicians just like Steve and I haven't. And I'm doing my best. I mean, I'm trying to ditz all politicians. And I know there's some out there that are definitely more bright than others. But I'm sorry to say, Dr. Kelly, on a... you know, across the board basis from your local politicians that run for city council, mayoral situations, commissioners and so on, all the way up to, you know, not Trump as a president, but, you know, most of the people that are in politics. I'm sorry, I've interviewed a lot of these people. I've had, you know, conversations. I've rubbed elbows with them at dinners and so on. And I'm just sorry to say they're not that bright.
SPEAKER 04 :
Of course they're not. And listen, the way the system is set up does not attract the best and the brightest. I actually was approached by the Republican Congressional Committee years ago to see if I would run for a congressional seat in California. And what they wanted me to do was drop everything. They told me I needed to have somewhere in the range of $250,000 of my own money. That I was willing to put into a campaign, and once they saw that I could actually win, then they would consider putting money behind me. Now, why would anybody worth their salt, anybody who's got a decent job, anybody who's already successful, drop everything in order to do that? Then you see the process, the system. Look at what these people have had to go through to get confirmed. You get raked over the coals. They destroy your personal life. People smear you up one side and down the other with no repercussions whatsoever. So what you get in Congress... I hate to say it, are people who have nothing else that they could do successfully, people who are looking for their 15 minutes of fame, and people who without a ton of support and a lot of... They can't work more than maybe 50% of the time. How many hours a week do you think your average person in Congress actually works? My gosh, look at their schedules compared to your average physician or lawyer working Or somebody else. It's insane. So the system attracts people who are relatively low IQ, people who don't have a lot of other options, frankly, or they wouldn't choose to do what they are doing. That's the sad truth.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and Steve, again, you and I have had some of these conversations even outside of Dr. Kelly. And again, I'm not trying to be rude, and I know there are some people and there are some folk that have done well financially. There is some benevolence there. I get that, although I think sometimes Steve, even some of those look at it and say, okay, at the end of the day, yeah, I can give my time. I can give my energy. I've made pretty good money through the years. But on the same token, what am I gaining when it's all said and done, and how can I even further myself along once this is all said? Because at the end of the day, if they do it right, even what they put in initially, they will get back tenfold or more when it's all said and done. And I don't think I'm wrong in saying that.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, and I think, you know, there's sort of a natural politician out there. And that's, you know, former military, retired, you know, around 40, 45 years of age. You've served, you understand leadership, you move into politics. And there's a fair number of people that fit that category that have been pretty good at what they do. as we go along, but there's still a whole bunch of other people who must think we are stupid, and that's what drives me nuts, right? Because a congresswoman up in Minnesota doesn't know the difference between her brother and her husband. You have one in New England who is run as if she's some sort of a Native American and constantly says stuff that just makes zero sense. It's political. It is all about do you have the political strength to say stuff you know isn't true to be able to further your own cause. That's unethical to me. They're not all like that, but there certainly is a fair number of them.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know what? Well said. I appreciate what you said a moment ago along those lines. I think that was a good... Description circling back around, though, Dr. Kelly, when it comes to some of these things to where in this case, Surgeon General, really not a, you know, out of the box, a political position, although it is, although it's not something you actually vie for and run for. And like you, I'm with you. Your comment earlier about how, in this case, somebody just parachutes in kind of in the, you know, 11th plus hour and now all of a sudden is going to go through the process. You've got to wonder, OK, wait a minute. Time out. Where did this come from?
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. And as I said, I think if you really look at this, you know where this woman came from, what she did, what motivated her to in the 11th hour, quote, drop out of her residency, write a book. She's claiming that she practiced medicine, functional medicine up in Oregon, which is interesting because she doesn't have a medical license. I mean, that's easy enough to search. And we have her medical license is listed as inactive, has been since 2019. So there are just too many unanswered questions. But she very, very quickly, I mean, within nobody's ever heard her name or her brother's name yet in a matter of months. They came in, wrote a best-selling book on Joe Rogan. They're with Hillary Clinton and Chelsea Clinton. And on all of these shows, they're meeting with the president in the Oval Office. And they have multiple times. They're meeting with Bobby Kennedy. They're all of a sudden all over the place. And it really makes you wonder when that happens where these people came from. Nobody had heard their names during the entirety of the pandemic. When the rest of us are out there risking our medical licenses on a daily basis, taking it on the chin in the court of public opinion, fighting, fighting, fighting for what's right, trying to get rid of the mandates, get rid of the lockdown, fight the masks, fight the social distancing, fight the jabs, all of this. And this person's nowhere to be found. And all of the sudden ascends to the top position in medicine in the country?
SPEAKER 13 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 04 :
I smell a rat.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think, too, at the end of the day, and I agree with you, Dr. Kelly, Steve, and I'm sorry. This is a predictor on my part, and I'm sorry, and I have a lot of respect for a lot of those individuals, RFK Jr. himself. Unfortunately, though, Steve, and I'll get both of your opinions on this, I will be absolutely shocked. If some of the things that even RFK Jr. said he was going to do gets done, i.e., let's reduce the amount of pharma ads that are actually on television. Let's do some of the things you guys talk about with PBMs. On and on we go. Steve, maybe I'm wrong, and I'm not trying to be super cynical, but I'll just be completely, utterly shocked if some of those things actually come to fruition now that these things like this are happening. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, and you're not wrong for a couple of reasons. Let me go back to Dr. Means for a second. I actually think that someone who stands up to the system and says, you know, it's so unethical, it's so bad, I can't be part of it, even though I've spent all my time in medical school, etc., There's value in that. It just doesn't belong in the surgeon general's role. I mean, I think you could take Callie Means, put her in MAHA, you know, working with Bobby Kennedy, talking about nutrition and the other things that she's aware of, talking about the problems of the system. But the surgeon general role is not that place. And I wonder, you know, why pick that role for her? When is it the only job that was open? I don't think so. I mean, why not make her some sort of a new role in Maha because she is, you know, nutrition and alternative medicine focused? I don't get the Surgeon General. In terms of the other question, you know, he's only got, you know, three and a half years fundamentally to get this done. This is a system that was built and has been talked about for decades. decade, fast growing, double the cost of the next closest country for medicine. We're one of the least healthy countries. We've lost years of life since COVID. You couldn't fix this thing if you tore it completely down and rebuilt it starting tomorrow in three and a half years. The question is, will he have an impact on health? by what he does with dives and all. Will they just kill the mRNA vaccine? I mean, what are we waiting for? I still see commercials on TV. I do, too. What are we waiting for? What are we waiting for?
SPEAKER 13 :
Dr. Kelly, again, I'm not trying to be cynical. I'm just being – you know my show. I'm very realistic. We have conversations ongoing, and you know my take on things. And, again, I'm not trying to jab at RFK Jr. by any means. I'm just getting less and less – excited that some of these things you and I and Steve have talked about over the course of the past couple of quarters now, I will just be shocked if those things happen now that we're seeing these sorts of things happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree. And the reason, to be very clear, the reason I was so interested in taking the position and getting the position in this administration was not because I don't have a great job and a great life. The last thing I wanted to do was to move to Washington. My interest was in doing everything I could to regain, to rebuild the trust and confidence that has been lost in health care and in medicine. There's been so much damage done, and certainly the death knell was sounded during COVID, but it started way before that. It started with all of the problems with... Physicians being motivated by insurance reimbursement, by insurance companies running the show, by big pharma's inclusion into all of it. All of, you know, big medicine, big industry, the fact that 85% of physicians are now employees and on and on. And then along comes COVID and whatever remaining credibility physicians had was lost during that. I was really going to try to work to reestablish that, to say that there are ethical physicians out there. We are going to make those changes. Now, when you see this, when you see nominations that appear to be motivated by everything that is anathema to what we have stood for, it is all about big pharma and big ag and big food. You have people who, you know, Dr. Oz and Dr. Macri and people who are truly didn't stand up for what was right during the pandemic. You know, Casey Means has posted on her previous Twitter account that you're getting her COVID shot live on Clubhouse. I mean, she bought into it. She drank the Kool-Aid. And so I do worry, as you're saying, John, that any of it's really going to get done, that it's not going to be just a lot of lip service. You know, Maha is turning into Haha.
SPEAKER 13 :
I'm afraid you're right, Dr. Kelly. We need to take a break. We'll come back. Steve, I want to get your thoughts on a little bit more of that. And I've got a couple of things I'm going to add to that that I really feel like prove what we're talking about, you know, is there. So give me a minute. We'll come right back, guys. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. And if you want to extend the life of your roof, Roof Savers of Colorado can do that for you. Their RoofMax product, which they're now teamed up with 30 Jobs Mike Rowe. Find out what Dave can do for you, 303-710-6916.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House with us as well. Steve, I want to start with you because we had a question come in. Charlie asked the same thing, so I had a couple of text messages along these lines, and we talked earlier about how do you push back against some of these things. So, Steve, for those that are listening where they would think, listen, I would like to push back. I'd like to see some of the changes being made that Dr. Kelly talks about, and I don't like this particular nominee at all. Who do they contact to push back, Steve?
SPEAKER 15 :
The best thing to do would be to write your senators and your congressmen, all right? I mean, the senators are going to be the ones who ultimately have to confirm her. So, you know, if you want to take that on, the first step would be to write to every senator in the country you can get to, but especially the Colorado ones, and say, guys, I don't support this. You know, if you're a Republican, say I'm a Republican because we've got two Democrat senators in Colorado. Right. And I do not support this nomination. Please do not vote yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
And please push her in a different direction. Push them in a different direction.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Again, there's people asking that question, so there's your answer, folks, that are asking. And, Steve, I appreciate that very much. Again, maybe this isn't a confirmation that I'm very nervous about things and maybe this stuff was already in the works and so on. But I sent both of you, Dr. Kelly, I'll start with you, CSU. And again, it's only a million bucks. And again, I say it's only a million because, you know, a million is a lot of money. Although in today's world, it's not as much as it once was. But CSU lands a $1.2 million loan. funding from NIH to advance work on a new tuberculosis vaccine. And if I'm not mistaken, I read through this, I believe this is more of a gain of function type research than anything else. And Dr. Kelly, if that's the case, then my fears are probably solidified. Am I right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Not only are they funding hand over fist, research on being hundreds and hundreds of mRNA vaccines. But although Trump has stopped doing any gain of function research out of the country, they are allowing it to continue on U.S. soil. So there are so many things that are wrong with this. The idea that there's been not a single mention of revoking the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, which is the thing that promoted the explosion of vaccines and the vaccine religion, which is exactly what it is. But protecting these different manufacturers, there's been zero talk about actually pulling the mRNA shots for COVID off. So although it's important to stop, you know, yes, I agree 100% with getting the food additives out, with changing the fluoride in the water, stopping the toxic food dyes. But what's killing people today are the mRNA shots.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Today.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, people have chronic illness related to highly processed foods, but the thing that is killing people today is that there are kids and babies getting these shots right now. So we have to address those things, and there hasn't even been lip service about it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I can't argue that at all. And, Steve, again, I sent you the same article, which, by the way, for those of you listening, it's not just CSU that's landing the $1.2 million. They're just a portion of what's going on in regards to what Dr. Kelly talked about, Steve.
SPEAKER 15 :
They are a portion. And, I mean, I don't know where it goes from here, to be honest, John. I just think that this, I mean, I don't know. Like I said, I'm not sure where it goes from here, and I think Kelly's absolutely right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and for those of you listening, again, this is a much larger amount of money that's going out to other institutions as well. It's not just CSU. CSU is one of the beneficiaries of, but Dr. Kelly is correct. We basically have said, yeah, we're not going to do this offshore anymore, but let's go ahead and continue to do this onshore. I mean, I guess, Dr. Kelly, let me ask you this, because in this particular article, it talks about how there's still many, many more vaccines needed. Is that really true?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, it's not true. And that's the falsehood. We did just fine before we had any vaccines. You, Steve, and I grew up having an average of six to eight vaccines between birth and age 18. Now that number is up to 84.
SPEAKER 1 :
84.
SPEAKER 04 :
Really? What has that delivered us between our generation and the current generation? astronomical rates of autism, ADHD, asthma, food allergies, psoriasis, neurologic complications, and on and on. That's what more vaccines have delivered us. So the idea that we need to vaccinate ourselves to good health or can vaccinate ourselves to good health is preposterous. So this is all being fueled by big pharma.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so for those that maybe haven't listened to us for the past five years, some of these things, you know, I feel like at times we talk so much about, I wonder, can we continue down this path any longer? But then I realize that, geez, I've been talking about how often to change your oil on Drive Radio for 25 years, and people still don't get it. So the reality is I don't know that we can ever stop talking about some of these things. So, Dr. Kelly, for those that maybe haven't been listening to us for those five years, You know, OK, why can't we vaccinate ourself to good health and why shouldn't we vaccinate ourself to good health?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the human immune system was never intended to be flogged incessantly with immune challenges, which is what a vaccine is. You have a God-given immune system that functions really very, very well. There's a reason we aren't all in bed constantly with viruses and bacterial infections. And we weren't before the vaccines, okay? This is absolutely – I had chickenpox, measles, and mumps. OK, all of those things. The average healthy immune system fights those things. There isn't a single vaccine out there where the disease that it prevents. is more deadly than the risk from the vaccine the vaccines are riskier than the actual disease there is not a single take something like rubella the mmr measles mumps rubella vaccine is a combined vaccine so everybody gets it 100 people get it there isn't a single justification for a male ever to get a rubella shot rubella if you catch rubella is indistinguishable from a common cold The only justification for vaccinating a female for rubella is when they become adults and are of childbearing age, if a woman should by some off chance get rubella while she is pregnant, she could transfer that to the baby in the form of a birth defect. So you could make the argument that young women who are going to have children should get a rubella vaccine when they get to that age where they're thinking about starting a family. For males, never. Likewise, hepatitis vaccines in newborns. We've talked about this before. Hepatitis B is a sexually transmitted disease or by IV drug use. What in the world could the possible explanation be? There is none other than money. It is money being made by the pharmaceutical industry.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yep. It's funny, really quick, before I go to Steve, you talk about mumps, and I had forgotten that I was probably, I don't know, Dr. Kelly. seven, eight, maybe nine years of age, probably eight years of age. My mom has passed, or I would ask her, and she'd probably remember to a T because she remembered dates like no tomorrow. But, yeah, you say that, and I remember having it, and I didn't die. Neither did my brother and sister. We all three had it, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly. And I think that that's the reality of anybody who's already does, you know, a very, very small fraction. Could some kids get significantly ill with this? Yes, they can. That does happen. But you don't put the entire population at risk to take a vaccine for something that a fraction of one percent of children could have a problem with. Let's focus on treating those kids differently. who might end up getting significantly ill, not vaccinating everybody and their brother. I've never had a flu vaccine in my life, yet I know a lot of my fellow physicians, my colleagues, have had 30 or 40 of them because they were, quote, required to get hospital privileges. That's preposterous. Why? Why? You know, it's just insanity. And truly, if you I promise you, if you revoked the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act so that the vaccine manufacturers faced liability, should somebody have an adverse reaction or, God forbid, die, the number of vaccines on the childhood schedule would plummet.
SPEAKER 13 :
Steve, I mean, I've got so much respect for Dr. Kelly, the things we've learned over the past, you know, five years. And it's funny, I forgot all about mumps until Dr. Kelly said that a moment ago. And I can remember even as a kid, Dr. Kelly, where, you know, somebody would get chicken pox and you'd have almost like these chicken pox parties where others would go around to actually get, you know, quote unquote, infected. So your kid could get chicken pox and be done and over with it. We didn't vaccinate for that stuff when you and I were kids.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, in fact, part of this, I think, and I welcome, Kelly, in your reaction to this, I think that a lot of times what we're trying to do is we're trying to prevent people from suffering from anything. And when you try to prevent suffering, I mean, which, so first of all, people don't end up being resilient as much as they should. They're You know, their brains are a little bit less reliable. You know, they don't critical think. They just do what they're told. But we're trying to prevent people from suffering. Well, unfortunately, the way the human body works, a little bit of suffering when you have a cold, the flu, measles, mumps, you know, whatever, that suffering helps you build a system that prevents further problems down the road. Frankly, I don't know for sure, but there's part of me that believes if you get all these vaccines and you prevent yourself from getting all of these different potential viruses... do you make yourself more susceptible to things like cancer and other variations of what goes on in your system? Because your immune system didn't have to be that strong if it was being prevented from dealing with suffering and recovery from any virus.
SPEAKER 13 :
Dr. Kelly, I think Steve is correct. We've talked about that a lot again over the past five years, and the reality is, yeah, I think he's spot on. You're basically making everybody's life easier while at the same time making it much more difficult as they age. Am I wrong in that, or is Steve wrong in that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I don't think we're making people's lives easier. We're giving them this false sense of security that because you're vaccinated, you've somehow done something good for your health. It's really quite the opposite. As I said, I believe that part of the reason that I do so well and I'm rarely ill with an infectious disease is because I've been exposed to so much of it. I see sick people all the time. You know, you have people inches from your face. You can't put your stethoscope on somebody's chest and without getting within three inches of their mouths, okay? That's how it works. I am not one bit worried about what I'm going to contract. My immune system is very good. If I'm concerned about anything, it's about having some ill effect from an unnecessary vaccination. So the idea is that we are way, way crazy. And then the bottom line is, if you look at the data, Between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, and they are out there, the Amish community, for example, the Mennonite communities that are entirely unvaccinated, they have almost zero incidence of childhood disease. They have zero, zero incidence of autism, for example. almost no asthma very few skin disorders no food allergies so what do you want to attribute that to do you think it's because they don't drive in cars if you if that's what you think then promote an idea promote the premise you know what would be the the you know the pathophysiology of that because i can tell you exactly why i believe it's related to vaccines you may have an alternate idea that you think because they're not exposed to television. Okay, how would that work? How would that decrease their risk of asthma? So I'm open to the debate, but the data don't lie. The reality is unvaccinated populations are healthier than vaccinated populations by orders of magnitude. And we are obligated as scientists to come up with an explanation for that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Guys, as always, this hour goes by fast. I appreciate you two so, so much. I can't say enough about what you've done for not only me, but our audience. And Dr. Kelly, I'll start with you, let you go first. Thank you, as always. I appreciate it so much.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you. Now you know why I'm not church in general.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, thank you, Dr. Kelly, and I wish you were going to be. Believe me, I say that with all due respect. Steve, as well, thank you. Thank you for setting this up some five-plus years ago. You're the man.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and you know what? Kelly's probably dropped off, but I would say to her right now, thank you for being willing to go through a very difficult process to be Surgeon General because it's not easy. And guess what? Kelly's got a great life. She doesn't need this any more than either of us do.
SPEAKER 13 :
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All right. Welcome back. Just a few seconds left here of this first hour. And, yes, if you really feel inclined to try to make a difference when it comes to the Surgeon General end of things, by all means, do what Steve said. Contact, in this case, contact our two senators. Let them know exactly what your thoughts are. They will be integral in this. the quote-unquote approving of the current Surgeon General nominee. And if you are so inclined to do that, please contact them. And those of you that are out of state, you can do the same thing in your own state as well, because a lot of you listen to us all around the country, especially during this particular hour. All right, Hour 2 is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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All right, welcome back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all joining us. Tyler O'Neill joining us now from Daily Signal. Tyler, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 17 :
Hey, doing well. Great to join you.
SPEAKER 19 :
Always a joy having you. It's been a little bit since we have. And of course, here in Colorado, we have a unfortunately too many things going on, especially in regards to the House bill, which I believe I got to double check, Tyler. I believe it passed fully today. They've made some revisions to it, but that was the bill 25, 13, 12, known as the Kelly Loving Act, which, by the way, is about as far from that as you'll get.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. Yeah. About as far. And and, you know, multiple times we've seen this bill effectively rewritten in the middle of the night because the Democrats know that it's unpopular. And yet they continue to push it. So, yeah, I mean, I grew up in Colorado. You know, I went to Devlin and it's it's really sad to see what has happened to my beloved centennial state. But, you know, I think I think we have to remember, you know, A lot of conservatives write off states like California, like Colorado is unfortunately going. But there are so many good, hardworking Americans there and, you know, Coloradans who don't want this nonsense. And so I think it's really important for all of us to remember, you know, we're we're not in this for just for conservatives. You know, I'm in the D.C. area now covering things nationally. But I think it's really important for everyone to remember that, you know, people in Colorado are not all insane. And parents do care about their children and don't want the government to say that if you quote-unquote misgender people, you should be denied your parental rights. I mean, it's flatly absurd.
SPEAKER 19 :
I agree. And for those of you maybe that have... I guess you'd be in a cave at this point, Tyler, because this thing has been literally all over the news, not just locally, but nationally as well. But it's essentially... A law, it did pass. Governor has to sign it. We'll see exactly what happens in that regard. But it's called the Kelly Loving Act. But basically, in a nutshell, Tyler, it's a bill or it's a law, if it gets signed into, that basically makes it illegal, makes it criminal for you, a parent even, to misgender a child. There's a lot more to it than that, I know, but that's the synopsis of, correct? Correct.
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Yeah, and there are some other provisions, too, that really leave you scratching your head. One of the big, big stories of this bill is that it changes your – and I haven't even seen the exact final version, so I'm not entirely sure if it still does this. But it was changing the laws about your birth certificates and your driver's licenses. I remember when I was 16, I got my driver's license in Colorado. Now, according to the version of the bill that I last looked at, you can change your gender identity three times before getting a court order, which is just insane. I mean, if you're talking about doing background checks on people, if you're talking about trying to maintain public safety, the idea that you can change your sex and, you know, ostensibly your name along with it multiple times without a court order is just insane. But this is the way that they're pushing this ideology, and they've repeatedly said, and this is, you know, I've been covering nationally. There's this organization called the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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Which is the worst of the worst.
SPEAKER 19 :
They are.
SPEAKER 17 :
And we saw a Colorado, you know, a member of the Colorado House. not only compare parents' rights groups to the Ku Klux Klan, but then double down on it, specifically citing the Southern Poverty Law Center. And I wrote a book called Making Hate Pay the Corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center, explaining why you can't trust this group at all, especially when it comes to their hate labels. And I just see the left, you know, the Biden administration welcomed the SPLC with open arms. But this is an organization that brands conservative, mainstream conservative and Christian groups, hate groups, puts them on a map with the Klan, and essentially is trying to silence any opponents of their radical agenda. And you see Democrats citing them all over the place. You see this law changed in the middle of the night. I mean, the fact that Governor Polis is likely to sign this law is is absurd to me, but we will see, and I, yeah, I can't believe what they've done with this legislation.
SPEAKER 19 :
We had one legislator that was a Democrat that was in favor of this that literally said something, I'm paraphrasing Tyler, but I'm not too far off, that basically said something to the effect of Jesus Christ being transgender himself, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, it was extremely offensive. So this was a Democrat. He came up and said, you know, he was citing the movie Talladega Night and saying, oh, these people have different versions of Jesus that they like best. And he was responding to a constituent who wrote a very, you know, I think very important and hopefully, you know, an email that would wake this legislator up saying, you know, I can't lose custody of my children. I have to answer to Almighty God on Judgment Day. And this guy was essentially mocking the very idea of answering to God on Judgment Day. And then he said, you know, how do you know that for me, Jesus isn't a trans Jesus? You know, some people like baby Jesus, my Jesus is trans Jesus that I'm going to be talking to on Judgment Day. And It was just the most offensive, and you could see the smile on his face as he said it. Like, this was not—he's not being serious.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, no.
SPEAKER 17 :
And we all know it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, no. No, yeah, this is—these are very demented, corrupt, evil individuals, Tyler. I have no other way to say it.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's— It's hard for me to come to a different conclusion. You know, and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but when you're citing the SPLC to smear your political opponents and then you're mocking people of faith by referencing a transgender Jesus, I'm... I mean, those things are beyond the pale, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and we had some of the main sponsors of the bill basically talking about how, again, I'm paraphrasing. I don't have the exact quotes in front of me. I guess I should have looked it up, but it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, Tyler, I mean, you know, anybody can go look this stuff up, but we had main sponsors of the bill basically talking about how This is essentially now going to put into law what they've already wanted to do in making their house a safe haven for these types of individuals, these types of kids. In other words, if these kids can get away from their parents that would be against them transitioning, then this will be a safe haven. They're welcome to come to their house. And that's why they got this bill going in the first place.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I mean, it's. It's disgusting because what we're seeing here, you know, and all these people, they act as though this is compassionate. But there are so many like I've I've met people like Chloe Cole who went through this, who were convinced that Chloe Cole is a woman who is convinced that she could become a man. So she removed her. She removed her breast. and she was undergoing some other so-called treatments. These are Frankensteinian interventions. I mean, if you look at anything regarding the woman who's known, or no, it's a biological man who's known as Jazz Jennings, and there's this really horrible interview where the mother of Jazz Jennings is describing the sort of thing that Jazz Jennings has to do to keep his false female organ in good shape. And it's appalling the idea that you would ever consider this affirmative or care. It's the most Orwellian thing in the world. And I pray to God that as a country we wake up to this, because it should not be a partisan issue. Like, I can disagree with Democrats until the end of time, but I don't think that we should be debating as a partisan issue whether or not people should be shooting themselves up with hormones to look like the opposite sex to remove their body parts. Like, this is beyond the pale.
SPEAKER 19 :
So Faith Winter, who's one of the senator main sponsors of this bill. And by the way, I'll say it straight up, Tyler. I have no issues with this. I have been railing against Faith ever since she was on city council in one of our local cities of Westminster here, which you would know where that's at. So the reality is I have been against Faith for a very, very long time. Faith, in my opinion. is one of the most evil women on the face of the planet, and I will say that fully. I have no problems. I'm not going to apologize that. She literally said that this bill is her crash couch for Colorado, meaning that she houses trans kids who run away.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, that's Faith Winter. That's our senator, Faith Winter. Faith is a despicable human being, period. I have no problem saying that, Tyler. She has done so much harm to the state of Colorado, not only in things like this, but taking away our Second Amendment rights and so on. She is a very evil, vile person.
SPEAKER 17 :
If she is at all abetting this insanity and helping people escape their parents who would tell them the truth and then getting them down this road. I mean, there are very few things that I would actually deign to describe as evil. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt as much as possible. But if you are abetting, you know, violating parental rights in order to name and perpetually injure these people in the name of gender identity, which is a false religion. Like, yeah, there is no way that your motives are pure in that sort of situation.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, they're not, because Tyler and I talked about this to some extreme, or to some extent yesterday, I should say. Actually, I'm very extreme in my feelings when it comes to the whole transgender end of things, because I feel like it's three parts. It's very much a spiritual issue for a lot of these individuals, and I'll explain. It's also very much a mental issue, I think, for a lot of these individuals that want to change their sex. And I also feel like it's a Marxist thing. it's a part of the Marxist movement, because essentially when you say that, listen, I'm in the wrong body, God made a mistake, he made me wrong, and I'm going to fix it, you've now replaced him in your life by saying, I'm going to do what I want to do, God, not what you wanted me to do in the first place. So yes, I can say that Faith Winter, Senator Faith Winter, is very evil because she's aiding and abetting people that want to replace God in their lives.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, well, and that wanted... embrace a lie and ruin their lives in pursuit of it. I mean, it's just the idea that you are fighting for this insanity, and yeah, and it's hard for me because, you know, I grew up in Colorado. I never want to give up on any state in the union on these sort of things, and it really hurts when I see the state where I grew up going down this path, and It's the fact that we have to debate this issue. And, you know, back 10 years ago, I was raising this issue. You can follow my writing on it back when there was a transgender dragon lady. And I was saying, like, look, we have Caitlyn Jenner. Look, we have people who are saying you have to embrace this. And this is an alternate religion. I mean, it's really a bastardized version of, you know, old Gnosticism, if you study Church history. And we cannot have the government endorse this insanity. It harms people, it preaches something entirely false, and it definitely violates the First Amendment by effectively having an establishment of religions. But I know there's a good debate on the right as to whether or not we should say so, because we don't want them to have religious freedom protections in order to harm children. But this is a worldview that is extremely noxious and has horrible repercussions. And we have to call it out for what it is.
SPEAKER 19 :
You're right. Well, Tyler, I can hear in your voice how near and dear this is to you. I appreciate your love for our state still. I know you still have a phone number that has our area code. So I appreciate you greatly. And you like me. I'm a native of this state, as you know. And I'm not giving up on it either. And it's still very near and dear to me. And I'm going to call things out just like you are. and collectively will continue to bring awareness. And I mean, at this point, all of you listening, you can send letters and emails and even phone calls into the governor's office. He can not sign this, veto it, basically. If he doesn't sign it, eventually will become law either way. But you can call and tell him to veto this. And the fact of the matter, Tyler, is now we're so late in session that I believe even is session over, Charlie? I believe session is now over. I If he doesn't, if he vetoes this, it's a done deal. So he could wipe this out. Unfortunately, Tyler, knowing him, knowing his background, I don't see that happening.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, I mean, I think and this is a trend we're seeing with Democrats across the country where, you know, if. if a Democrat can present himself or herself as being, you know, middle of the road. And in this case, I mean, as you noted, he doesn't even have to necessarily sign it.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, he lets it on his desk for 30 days, and I believe it's 30 days it becomes law anyways.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. So, you know, there are so few Democrats who have spines. Many of them are looking at 2028. And I would be surprised if Jared Polis was not also looking at 2028. And he's probably trying to position himself as some sort of moderate because that's what they always do. I don't trust them. I've been watching as Gavin Newsom, you know, the least moderate. Well, I don't know if he's the least moderate. I have to look at voting records or, you know, signing records. Right. He's one of the least moderate governors in the country, and yet he's positioning himself as some sort of moderate because he'll interview people like Charlie Kirk. I'm like, no, nobody should trust these governors an inch. And I know Jared Polis is not the worst of the worst. On COVID, he wasn't entirely horrible, which is kind of saying something compared to people like Gretchen Whitmer.
SPEAKER 03 :
True.
SPEAKER 17 :
But all these people are gunning for 2028. And we can't let them get away with positioning themselves in a way that says they care for the Americans who disagree because so many of them are dead set on all of these agendas. Woke is in their bloodstream. And, you know, in his case, I think it's very clear. In Gavin Newsom's case, it's even clearer. But, you know, we have to pay attention, and I'm so glad for your voice and for others in Colorado who are constantly calling out what he's working on. I pray that they'll govern like they understand that there are. people who disagree with them. But at the end of the day, I don't trust them.
SPEAKER 19 :
I don't either. Well, I appreciate you being with us today, Tyler. Appreciate your love for our state still. And as I always say, you're welcome anytime. But I really do appreciate what you guys are doing. Daily Signal, those of you listening, go check it out. Tyler, as always, thanks for all that you guys are doing.
SPEAKER 17 :
Thanks so much again for having me.
SPEAKER 19 :
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SPEAKER 19 :
All right, we are back. Charlie and I are having a discussion on Pope Leo. I believe it's the 16th because it's an X and an I and a V. So I think that's 10 and the IV is 4. So isn't that 14, Charlie? I don't know Roman numerals. I'm a dummy, so you guys already know that. I don't have the IQ others have, so no idea. Look it up. Frankly, don't – I'm sorry. And this is – I'm not trying to be mean or rude or anything like that, but I don't care. It's a new pope. Pope Leo. First U.S. pope. U.S. as in born in the U.S. I think he spent a lot of time in Peru and other places, but he was born in Chicago. So, quote, unquote, the first U.S. pope. Folks, I'll just be straight up honest. John from Cheyenne knows far more about this than I do because he is Catholic. I am not. I have spent very little time around Catholics, to be real honest with you. I didn't grow up in any kind of a Catholic upbringing and didn't hang around a lot of Catholics and so on. So I know very little other than what I have studied when it comes to Catholicism and all of the ins and outs of not in my wheelhouse. And I'll just be straight up honest, I'm sorry, it doesn't interest me. Just like some makes and models of cars don't interest me. Catholicism in general, it doesn't do anything for me. So those of you that are, that's great. God love you. More power to you. I grew up in too much of a legalistic atmosphere when I was a kid. I'm not adding anything to it now. Let's just say it that way. It's probably why I'm not really big into Catholicism and a lot of that because too many steps, too many rituals, too many this, too many that. Yeah, too many Hail Marys, whatever. Yeah, I'm not into it. Not doing it. Sorry. Just not in my wheelhouse. Some of you probably are laughing right now that are Catholics because I have no idea what I'm even talking about. Or I offended him, one of the two. Well, I don't mean to offend you. I am trying to make light of things and so on. And I get it. It's serious. You have a new pope and all of that. I've never understood the whole papal end of things and what he gets to communicate and say and do and so on. It's just not me. And, again... more power to you if you are. It's just not in my wheelhouse, which is fine. So, Joe, maybe you can straighten me out on the papacy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, it is the 14th, yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, 14th. There we go. I thought that was right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, he went to school in Villanova here in the Philadelphia area.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
And he'll probably come back and visit, because Villanova was founded by the order that he's from. Within the Catholic Church, you've got the Jesuits and the Franciscans and whatever.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, I have no idea, so that's something you'll have to teach me and others, because I haven't the foggiest idea what you mean by that.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's kind of like different sects within the Catholic Church.
SPEAKER 19 :
Got it. Sex as in S-E-C-T-S, not S-E-X, right? Right, right. Got it, got it, okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Just reading my call was about tipping. Now, John, when somebody, you know, goes above and beyond and makes your life easier for you, do you think they deserve a tip? Absolutely. When was the last time you tipped, Charlie?
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, all the time. Actually, Charlie just said, actually, I do. And I don't want to make that public. But, yes, I try to honor Charlie as much as I can.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. I was going to say, if anybody deserves a tip for making your life easier... He deserves it. Absolutely. He deserves it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Absolutely, he does.
SPEAKER 10 :
That was a reason I called.
SPEAKER 19 :
Hey, are you going to try to... Okay, no, really quick, but since we're on that, and you called and had a few other text messages and so on on that, is there anything you don't tip for, even if service is great?
SPEAKER 10 :
Um... Well, you know, one of the places I go to pick up takeout once a week, when you go to slide your card to pay for the takeout, there's actually a screen comes up, you know, how much would you like to tip? And you have to hit no tip. You know, it's kind of intimidating that you have to hit no tip. So, you know, it's a carryout order. You know, you put it in a bag for me.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. I'm with you on that one. You didn't do anything. Sorry. I mean, you really didn't do anything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it's no different. I mean, you know, the cook cooked it, and you put it in the bag, and you're ringing, and actually I'm ringing myself up because I put my card in. Right, you're doing everything. Here's your total. So, you know, but if somebody, you know, brings me a food, takes my order, you know, yes, I'm going to tip. Now, here's an interesting thing. Buffet, if, do you think it's, you know, it's one thing if they take your order, they write it all down, they get it right, you know, you want, What kind of dressing do you want on your salad and this and that? But when you go to a buffet, John, do you think 20% is appropriate on a buffet where you picked your own food and you served yourself?
SPEAKER 19 :
No. No, in fact, that's one of those areas, John. I'm glad you brought that up because I look at buffets and that end of things as, you know, I'll probably leave a little bit of a tip because folks have to come by, clean up, do some things along those lines. The busboys and stuff are probably sharing some of those tips. But is it a full 20%? No, because you didn't do the same thing you would have otherwise. Filling my water glass isn't the same as everything else you would normally do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, and so to answer your original question, John, that's one place where I won't leave a 20% tip at a buffet.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, and Joe, I'm very much the same with you in that regard because, again, I mean, I want to reward people that have gone the extra mile, have earned it, and no, in a buffet where they're just running around, you know, honestly filling up not even all drinks, usually just water is about all. They're maybe bringing you some extra silverware or something along those lines. Outside of that, they're not doing anything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and same thing. In McDonald's, you know, particularly if you're clearing your own table, You may sit down at a McDonald's, but you're not going to tip at a McDonald's because they didn't even – well, maybe somebody comes by once every hour and wipes off all the tables with a wet rag. But I'm not going to tip at a Burger King or McDonald's.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, yeah, that one especially I'm not. And that even includes some of the folks where you put your order in, you go wait by the curb, they bring it out. I'm not tipping there either, Joe, because I just kind of look at that as that's a part of the service that McDonald's is offering. I'm probably saving them some time and money by not going through the drive-thru when it's all said and done. So it is what it is.
SPEAKER 10 :
By the way, I want to kind of veer off just a little tiny bit. There's this whole thing about Well, the Republicans haven't raised the minimum wage in 16 years.
SPEAKER 19 :
Nor do they have to.
SPEAKER 10 :
By the way, Thomas Sowell said the real minimum wage is zero. I think the whole concept of a federal minimum wage is a relic, and let me tell you why. If you check the Bureau of Labor Statistics, less than 3% of the people in this country work for that $7.25 an hour. That's right. And the overwhelming vast majority who do work in tip positions. cab drivers, cocktail waitresses, casino dealers, waiters. Some of these waiters, like down in, what's the Double Eagle Steakhouse down there off Arapahoe?
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, the big one.
SPEAKER 10 :
The big one in Elways and the rest of them. John, I know some of these people, they're knocking down $300 a night. When you go to one of those places, you're looking at $100 to $120 a head without tip. And if they're doing four tables times three turns a night, John, even if they have to give 10% to the bartender and whatnot, John, they're still taking – they would work for free just for the tips. I mean, if you're knocking down $300 a night, that's $1,500 a week. And you know, by the way, on their tax return, they're not reporting $1,500 a week on their tax return.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Cocktail waitresses, you know, I've got a niece was a cocktail waitress in a casino in Atlantic City. She told me on a Friday night she could make almost $1,000, you know, serving cocktails. You know, so to me, the entire concept of a single federal minimum wage for the entire United States is just a relic whose time has gone by. And that, you know, I think states and cities need to set their own, just like Colorado has done. And does Denver have a separate minimum wage than the state does?
SPEAKER 19 :
I think the city does, yes, outside of the state. I believe you are correct. I'd have to double-check that. And, again, in my – some people would say, well, geez, John, why don't you know that? You're an employer. Because everything I do, Joe, is so far above any of those, it doesn't matter anyways, to your point.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. So I'm sorry to veer away from tips to minimum wage.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, you're fine, because it all coincides with one another.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. So – and, again, so I just think – You know, because it's just something for liberals and Democrats to hang their hat on and make us look bad. I think the entire concept, we should abolish the federal minimum wage. Agree. And leave it all up to the free market.
SPEAKER 19 :
I mean, even now, Joe, again, very, very, to your point, very, very, very few people work for minimum wage anywhere, period.
SPEAKER 10 :
By the way, the McDonald's, the Walmart about four miles from my house, they've had a sandwich board in the lobby, and I could send you a picture of it. $17.50 an hour full-time with benefits for shelf stockers. John, it's putting soup cans on a shelf. $17.50 an hour, 401k, employer subsidized health plan to put soup cans on a shelf. If you're working for $7.50 an hour and it's not a tip position, I want to know where did you go wrong in your life? Because... I can't imagine where an employer could find somebody to work for $7.50 an hour that had any skills whatsoever.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Agreed.
SPEAKER 10 :
And did you see the story about how high school grads are getting $70,000? Excuse me, juniors in high school are getting $70,000 job offers?
SPEAKER 19 :
I did not see that. No, I have not. No.
SPEAKER 10 :
I sent it to you about a couple of hours ago. Okay. In the trades, there's such a shortage of electricians, plumbers, welders, automotive techs, that contractors are going to high schools that have shop classes, and they're running career days, and they're extending to juniors in high school job offers for when they graduate a year from now to go to work for them, $70,000 a year. And, oh, by the way, if you want to work as an apprentice with us this summer, you're more than welcome to work this summer.
SPEAKER 19 :
Good for them, Joe. Good for them.
SPEAKER 10 :
But, John, this was in the Wall Street Journal. Now, the Wall Street Journal was behind a paywall, so I think the Daily Wire carried a reprint of it. And it goes on and on and on. This is not an isolated one-off. You know how bad it is in the trades. And I know in HVAC it's been a chronic for years. So the point is, you don't need to go to college. You can make $70,000 a year right out of high school.
SPEAKER 19 :
With no debt. Debt-free.
SPEAKER 10 :
Zero debt. No debt. No debt. And in a couple of years, you'll be making $180,000.
SPEAKER 19 :
So, Joe, I mean, just to be real here, and there's a lot of folks listening, some of these folks may have kids or grandkids or whatever. Why are more kids not going this direction? You know, what's the catch?
SPEAKER 10 :
I think the pressure was looked down on, oh, you're not going to college. You must not be smart enough. I think it was a peer pressure thing. everybody's like, oh, I'm going here, I'm going there.
SPEAKER 19 :
By the way, I ask that sort of rhetorically because I believe you're correct. I think also my opinion is I think parents have a lot to do with that as well because I think in a lot of cases parents, much like the whole transgender movement, Parents are out there running around saying, well, my kid goes here or my kid did that or my kid's getting this education. And it's sort of this, you know, feather in the cap of mom and dad, where if the mom and dad say, you know, my kid's going to be a welder, my kid's going to be an auto tech, my kid's going to be a plumber. You know, others might look down on that and the parents get upset. They get their feelings hurt.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I think that I don't think the parents I think the parents would get like if the parents went to college or themselves. And their child, they look down on the trades. So if Johnny says to mom and dad, mom and dad, I think I want to be a diesel engine tech. Oh, no, you can't do that. You know, you're better than that. Why would you want to do that? Why do you want to do that? You should go to college like Mom and Dad did. Look at your father. Look at the job your dad's got. He doesn't get his hands dirty every day.
SPEAKER 19 :
Correct. And by the way, I think even some that were in the trades, I used to hear some of this when I was a kid. Those that were even in the trades would say, you don't want to do what I've done all my life. Why don't you go to college and get a better job than I have? Well, those times have changed, and the reality is that particular kid, to your point in this article I'm reading in the Wall Street Journal right now, The reality is those kids are coming out making a lot more money and will over the course of their career than their counterparts going to college.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and it's crazy, John. I think the minimum, if you go to a, you know, even no-name schools these days, you're going to come out with close to $100,000 worth of debt. If you go to a name school...
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, it's double that.
SPEAKER 10 :
You're going to come out with $250,000.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I was going to say double plus. I mean, right now, I think, Joe, I don't think you're far off, because I think just going to even some local colleges and doing what you could to even take some things online and so on, yeah, I think you're an easy $20,000, $25,000 a year.
SPEAKER 10 :
I know that for a fact, John, because I helped my granddaughter. She was looking at colleges, and we were looking at various tuitions. John, colleges I never heard of.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, If you go in-state, it's $20. If you want to go out-of-state and room and board, make it $26.
SPEAKER 19 :
That's right. Yeah, I don't think, Joe, you can do much. It used to be you could get a decent annual college tuition, what I'm trying to say, decent tuition in-state. You used to be able to do that for anywhere from $10,000 to $15,000. It's a minimum $20,000 up now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Tony, and in terms of how much debt, John, when I graduated from college, and I won't tell you, it was back in the 70s, but my, now, yeah, I had a few little scholarships and I worked every summer, but my first year college debt was equal to just more than my first year's salary. People are graduating now, John, where they're student loan debt is four or five times their salary. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
Some of these people, as we're learning, some of these people, by the time you tack on the interest on that, because they don't read the fine print to even know what that interest is, and some of them don't even know how interest works, I'm sad to say, at the end of the day, Joe, some of these folks, I'm not sure they will ever get those paid off.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and that's, and there's a difference, by the way, between going to a a highly regarded school versus a no-name school. And I can give this because I graduated from an engineering school here in New Jersey. It's the MIT of New Jersey. It's always, other than students who elect to go on to get a master's degree, it's virtually 100% employment before they graduate. You know, there's college recruiters. You know, the average starting salary for these young adults coming out of that engineering school is in the $75,000, $76,000 a year range, which, by the way, is not much more than these high school kids who are coming out of school at a shop class as well they're making. But at least they're going to be able to. And they're coming out with around $250,000 worth of debt. So their debt is about three times, three and a half times their starting salary. But if you go to some school you never heard of and you've got $250,000 of debt, You're going to be making $45,000, $50,000. I think I told you the story. There's a Starbucks on Peoria by the airport. I told you, you know, 13 of the 17 people who work there are college graduates.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And they're working as baristas in Starbucks.
SPEAKER 19 :
Unreal. Unreal. Unreal.
SPEAKER 10 :
They'll never pay that debt.
SPEAKER 19 :
Nope, they'll never pay it, Joe. Joe Mann, as always, I appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 10 :
You're welcome, John. You bet, man.
SPEAKER 19 :
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SPEAKER 19 :
All right, we are back. I'm going to get my catechism class now from John and Cheyenne. Go ahead, John.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so in the Catholic Church, we were raised that the Pope is a holy person and as close to God as you can get. That's the way they taught it. We believe, or I don't, I left the Catholic Church because it very corrupt.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right, right, right. That's okay, give me the synopsis, that's fine, you're doing well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Any large institution over two centuries will get corrupt.
SPEAKER 19 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so they believe that Peter was the first pope of the Catholic Church.
SPEAKER 19 :
Ah, okay, I didn't know that. Okay, thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
St. Peter the Apostle.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. And the line goes forward from Peter as... Upon this rock I will build my church, so they took that literally, and there he is. Then there he is, and he's the first pope. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
So... In the beginning, the cardinals, which are the leaders of the church, would go into private meeting, doors locked, prayer. They would take rations in. Nobody could bring them food or anything else. And they would stay locked in a room until they decided, yes, over centuries that's gotten better. But when the cardinals went in yesterday, they were supposed to go in, meet, and pray and debate for a divine sign. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
That they're going to receive a sign from the Lord on who to pick to lead his church next. Okay, gotcha. So that's what happens. Now, yeah, that's what happened until probably about the 7th century, and then, you know, there's always local politics and everything else that are going to rear its ugly head. I mean, you go back, John Paul, which they canonized the saint, John Paul II, was a he was a good man. I mean, I can't find anybody who would challenge him not being a good man. You know, he helped Poland get their freedom, and then he became Pope, and he was, you know. Then after that, they had Benedict, who was very conservative, and he was there for a while, and then he just didn't want to do it anymore. He didn't have it, so he kind of resigned. They called him Pope Emeritus, and he just lived in, you know, quiet peace until he passed. And they had Francis, and Francis was from Argentina. He was Argentinian. He was liberal. He was raised in a liberal, you know, social... Argentina's fairly socialist. It's getting more conservative now, but it had been since, you know, the Second World War. So the way they were raised is going to affect their beliefs. So they're going to go... He's going to lead the church in the way that he believes is right. Now, is he a Chicago liberal? Is he an Illinois conservative? Is he a Peruvian socialist? We don't know yet. Nobody's going to know. So that's why they have this whole ritual. This ritual goes back thousands of years on how they choose the leader of the Catholic Church.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And there's a rumor out there. This is a conspiracy theory, but I think you'll love it. The Roman Empire never fell. It became the Catholic Church.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And look at how much money is under the Vatican.
SPEAKER 19 :
How much?
SPEAKER 07 :
More than most countries have. They're figuring it's somewhere in $500 to $600 billion that they have in everything, artwork, in all this donations, gold, all this stuff. Catholic Church is not poor.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and then, of course, they own a lot of land around the world, even here in the U.S. and so on. That I get. Yeah, I get that.
SPEAKER 07 :
And in most countries, it's tax-exempt land. Right.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. Sure.
SPEAKER 07 :
Just like ours. So a couple other things. I was outside working when I had the radio on in the background, so I was listening to you. Tipping. You were talking about a box of donuts, a cup of coffee, right? That's why if it's less than $20 I pay cash, then you don't get the monitors.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, that's true. They don't get turned around on you. Very true.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. So I'll give you an example. There's a really good donut shop in Cheyenne. She makes great cinnamon rolls. They're kind of large. You should split one. with another person you know 250 right you go in i give her a five she gives me 250 back tip jar on the counter i throw the 50 cents in i think that's fair okay um when it comes to uh like it used to be in the old days you took the bartender a dollar a drink i don't know i i still do that but we're not asking him to make us big fancy drinks my wife drinks red wine and i drink beer so A beer and a wine, I mean, he's pouring a glass of wine and he's drawing a beer out of the tap. He's not, you know, making a drink with six whips. A dollar, you know, the bill comes out. Right, makes sense. I got it. An extra buck a drink. That was always the standard. Okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
Really quick, I got like 10 seconds. Sorry, John, we're running out of time.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Will you tip a delivery guy if he's bringing a sofa or something?
SPEAKER 19 :
Sure. Yeah, I would.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I have.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yes, I would. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that's somebody who deserves it.
SPEAKER 19 :
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All right, that's it for today. Tomorrow, movies. Andy will have Clown in a Cornfield and Fight or Flight. And then, of course, in honor of Mother's Day, we'll have movies or TV shows with moms. That's it for tomorrow. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
Estate planning can be a daunting subject, especially with the myriad of myths surrounding trusts. Michael Bailey, a seasoned estate planning attorney, brings clarity to this topic by breaking down how trusts work, their advantages, and their role in protecting assets. Learn why trusts are an effective tool for ensuring smooth transitions and safeguarding family interests over generations.
SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome to Mobile Estate Planning with your host, Michael Bailey. Over a decade ago, attorney Michael Bailey turned his attention to estate law after he recognized the unacceptable number of adults without proper end of life planning. Michael recognizes that many of his clients have difficulty finding the time for making a proper estate plan. That's why he became the Mobile Estate Planner. He will go to wherever you are to assist you with your estate planning, including writing wills, trusts, and giving you the information you need to avoid probate. Now, ATX, Ask the Experts, presents Mobile Estate Planning with your host, Michael Bailey.
SPEAKER 02 :
Good afternoon. Welcome to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey. So we can do something besides just leave your family alone. You're listening to 560 KLZ AM or 100.7 FM, possibly the 560 KLZ radio or the KLZ 560 radio app. I said that backwards. I hate it when I do that. But we've... uh just trying to do something to leave your family in a good spot when you're gone so as we are um sitting here and you know talking about estate planning i had a couple of clients this week and just in general talking about trusts and um There's many people who they understand or they hear or believe different things about trusts. I had a few of these kind of misconceptions happen with somebody today, so I thought I'd talk a little bit about trusts. Now, not everybody needs a trust. Not everybody wants a trust. Not everybody has to have a trust for estate planning. But those who do have trusts, I often hear people who ask me, like, well, you know, when we set up in a trust, aren't we giving up our money? Aren't we giving up everything? So it'll just go to the kids. So do we need the kids permission to live? Do we need the kids permission to use our money? You know, this doesn't make any sense. And I'm like, well, if that's the way that it were, then I would agree with you with it would make any sense. But that's not how it goes. Instead, when you set up a trust, there are types of trusts where you give up control of your assets. But those types of trusts are the type that you set up when you're trying to protect assets from long-term care costs or things like that. And then you want to create a legal wall of separation between you and the assets so that you're no longer the owner. But most of the trusts that I set up are revocable living trusts. And in a revocable living trust, when you set up the trust, you are the one that you create the trust. You're the trustee of the trust, so you're in charge of it. And you're the primary beneficiary of the trust while you're alive. So the trust will exist, and the trust will help avoid the probate process. But while you're alive, you're in complete control of everything. Sometimes people will ask me, they're like, oh, well, why are we putting our house inside of a trust right now? Doesn't that make it so much more difficult to sell? And I say, not really. It's more a matter of, hey, you've got a trust. You put your house inside of a trust. Now you want to sell the house from the trust. Well... Most trusts have been around long enough that people will understand that you go to sell a house out of a trust, and you just sign your name, and then you put comma, trustee, because you sign as the trustee of the trust, and you can sell a house right out of the trust. Now, let's say that you have a... a title company or a real estate that doesn't quite get that and can't quite figure that out. And it's like, oh, well, that's not going to work. That's going to be problematic. We can't do that. Well, then you take and you can transfer ownership of your house from your trust back to you. To put your house in a trust usually takes a one-page quick claim deed. And so to take it out of the trust, you do a quick claim deed out of the trust back to you personally, and then you can sell the house personally. So it's really it might be an extra step, but that's not too bad of a step. So you're not giving up control of your assets. You're not going to make your life super more difficult. You're just going to have a couple extra words to write or, you know, an extra piece of paper to get filed. So, no, when you create a trust, you're not giving up complete control of your assets to your kids or to the other named beneficiaries unless you mean to do so. And if you mean to do so, then you can set up your trust to do that. And situations where you mean to do so would be like, let's say that someone has Alzheimer's or dementia or they have Parkinson's. And we know that down the road, they're probably going to need to go into long-term care. And in that long-term care, they're going to need to They're going to need to pay for that, and they may not want to spend all of their assets on long-term care, but rather they'd prefer to preserve some of those assets to pass on to future generations. So those types of trusts are different types of trusts than the one we're talking about here. Those types of trusts, on purpose, were giving up control of the assets. But at that point, you're giving up control of the assets so that you can create a legal wall of separation between you and your assets. So those assets can then be preserved and not get picked up by long-term care or Medicaid or the government or something like that. But most trusts, you're still in control. So no, you're not giving up. You're not saying, oh, well, if I have to sell the house, do I have to get all the kids' permission? No, not unless you need to do that or want to do that or it makes sense for you. And then I had another, you know, the same client was like, well, you know, if we put assets in there, you know, well, you know, how can we make distributions out of the trust? Are we, you know, are we funding the trust now? How are we getting, why are we putting assets into the trust right now? And that goes back to kind of the fundamental theory of what a trust is. Now, a trust, it's a device that you put assets into a trust to be used for the benefit of another person called a beneficiary. And so you have a person who's a beneficiary who's going to be the one who can receive things out of the trust. And, you know, if you, assets that are owned by the trust, they, so when you, one of the points of doing a trust is that when you die, the trust does not die with you. So if you have your assets that are owned by the trust instead of by you personally, or you have assets that are pointed to go into the trust, like through a beneficiary designation, like an IRA or a 401k, you're like, oh, I'm going to make the trust a beneficiary, so it'll pay out to the trust. instead of to me personally. And by doing so, then all of those funds will go into the trust. And so when you die, the trust does not die with you. And since the trust does not die with you, that means that the trust continues to exist. The trust continues to own the assets. So you have somebody come in as a successor trustee, someone else to, you're the trustee while you're alive. Somebody can come in as the successor trustee, and the successor trustee can then access those assets and can use them for the proper purposes as defined by the trust. So let's say you've got a house. You put your house in the trust. You've got an investment account. You put your investment account inside the trust. Bank account. Bank account has a pay-on-death designation, so it pays out to the trust, and then you die. Your successor trustee can come in, they control the house, they control the investment account, they can go to the bank and get a pay on death designation that pays out to the trust, and then everything's consolidated in the trust. And then everything that's in the trust, the trustee controls and the trustee can use to pay off your debts if you had any when you died, and then distribute it out to the named beneficiaries. Now, a trustee can be a beneficiary. So, like, for my parents' trust, I'm the successor trustee when they pass away, but I'm also the beneficiary, which means that... I'm not the sole beneficiary. I have to share with my siblings. But it means I can take and distribute, you know, split things up four ways and distribute them out to the named beneficiaries and we're good. So what we're really trying to do is to take the is avoid needing to have the government involved in everything in the probate process. Because if you have just a will, then the will goes through the probate process, and you have to get legal permission from the court to transfer everything. So one of the points of a trust is that you don't have to go through probate. So you are listening to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey, here on KLZ 560 AM, also heard on 100.7 FM, or the KLZ 560 radio app. Phone number to talk to me on the air is 303-477-5600. And again, that's 303-477-5600. And my direct line is 720-394-6887. And once again, that's 720-394-6887. So as we're going through and deciding whether or not we want to do a trust, and one of the points of having a trust is that it will control assets, but a trust only controls assets that are owned by the trust or that will be owned by the trust. Then at a future time, so like an IRA or a 401k account, you're in control of it, you die, pays that to the trust, you're like, okay, now the trust can control that asset. Because a trust cannot control assets that it doesn't own. So, yes, you want to fund a trust once you've created the trust. And you want to have your assets in there. And, yes, they're supposed to be in there right now. It's not supposed to be a, oh, well, we'll put everything into a trust at the time of your death. I mean, I guess it depends on the type of assets, you know, real estate assets. I have had clients who wanted to do a beneficiary deed to have ownership of the assets transfer into the trust at the time of their death instead of currently. And while that can be done, I don't think it accomplishes much besides feeling like you don't want to put everything into a trust until you die. That's fine. If that's something that's important to you, then go for it. But if it's something that's not going to be a big deal, then we don't need to worry about it too much. But the point of a trust is that... when you when you die it doesn't die with you and so it's an alternative to the probate process it's a private document helps everything transfer smoother and easier to other people so yes you want to put assets inside the trust right now now sometimes people will tell me oh but if i put things into a trust and people will know who the trust is and who the who's in charge of the trust and they'll be able to track things down and i say well Are you planning on giving your trust agreement to somebody? They're like, well, we have to file it with the court. I'm like, why? No, you don't. When you create a trust, people get, I'm not entirely sure where it comes from, but people are sure that everything you do has to be filed with the court. But a trust does not necessarily need to be filed with the court. Now, you can file a... If you're going to move assets into the trust, like real estate assets, you can file the deed that transfers ownership of your house from you personally to the trust. You record that with the county clerk and recorder's office. But the trust itself, you don't need to... File with the court. You don't need to record with the court. You just, it's a private document. So, I mean, upon your death, there is a trust registration statement where the county wants you to say, oh, well, there is a trust and it's going to transfer everything. This is who's in charge so they can do it. And, you know, oddly enough, the fee to file a trust registration statement is the exact same fee as it is to start a probate case. So, in other words... The county wants their money. And it's not that, because if everybody had a trust, then there wouldn't be any probate filings and there wouldn't be any fees that need to be paid for. The probate filing fee in Colorado is $199. The fee to register a trust is $199. So basically the county wants their money one way or the other. As I tell people all the time, I'm like, well, you know, good luck doing anything with the county without paying a fee. Because that's how counties tend to be. They charge fees. That's what they do. They're counties. And so as they charge fees, then you're like, well, you charge a fee and you pay it and that's kind of what you do. We recently made it all the way through the process of getting our back deck on our house has been there for 24, 25 years. And it's time to redo the deck. But in order to redo the deck, we needed permits from the county. So we had to go through the permit process. And the permit process for the county is kind of what you'd expect a permit process with the county to be. There's a million different forms, most of which ask for the same information in slightly different formats. But if you have any one that's wrong, then they need you to redo it. And if you have too many that's wrong, then they want you to start the whole process over again. The county tells us they're embracing technology. So they have a portal where you can upload your request. And so you upload it. And it's supposed to send you a confirmation that you have things. And you're supposed to get a confirmation that everything's been submitted successfully. And even if the portal shows that, we're still waiting on the emails that confirm that. And then you do that, and then you wait. And then we got an inspector who looked at it and said, oh, yeah, but I need this. So we sent it in and didn't get a response. And then we had to call, and they said, oh, we're out of office. And we're not checking voicemail, which sounds about right. And so all of it, we finally got through. So now we have the last step. They're like, oh, well, we need you to send us our contractor stuff. And I'm like, no, we're redoing the deck ourselves. They're like, oh, well, then you just need to pay the fee and you're good to go. We're like, okay, cool. So we went to pay the fee. And we did. And now we're like, okay, we can purchase the materials. This would have been nice to have known three to six months ago when we weren't already having pre-tariff price increases for materials. But... It was one of those processes where you're like, well, the government is kind of built on... The government, as much as everybody would like to think the government's built on being efficient and things like that, the government is kind of built on being inefficient. It's supposed to move slow. It's supposed to not... quickly move and do things. It's so that we can hopefully think about and consider and look at things and say, this might not be the best idea to do. And somewhere along the line, somebody will say, hey, this might not be the best thing. Moving quickly and efficiently is is very helpful in a lot of areas, but being quick to react to something went wrong so we need a new law might not be the best way to handle government. Just my opinion. So government is built in there to say, hey, let's try to, at least the way things are set up, under our current form of government is we're trying to do things so that it's not you know quickly reactionary to oh we're going to do these things you know there's there's some built-in inefficiencies there's some built-in ways to slow things down so that we in a rush to make government and laws and rules we don't end up doing something that might not be the greatest of ideas now And it's amazing how if you have a law that becomes there, people start to think that that's the way it has to be. So somehow it's not possible to change laws. And I get that. There are certain things that we don't want to change, like estate planning, for instance. We don't want to get huge changes to estate planning law. And say, hey, everybody who created an estate plan, everybody who created a will or a trust, guess what? The rules are completely different now. You've got to go back and redo it. That might not be a great thing for everybody who's planned ahead and has a will or a trust. Now, there are plenty of people who don't have wills or trusts. But as I've created a will, I created a trust for me and my family. And... I went through and did all that exercise. I do it for other people. I can't imagine that all of the thousands of clients that I have would love to get an email from me. Hey, the state government has completely changed the way that wills and trusts work now. So we have to redo everything the way, you know, according to the new rules. Sorry that I, you know, as we set everything up, you know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 15 years ago. But now we get to redo everything. So please come back in and see me. And people, I'm sure that people would be like, well, you know, well, are you going to do this for free? No, I'm not. Um, so that's one of the, one of the nice parts about having a government that doesn't change a lot is you get stable rules and those stable rules. especially for people who do estate planning. It means that we don't have to change everything all the time, but rather we can just kind of continue doing the same thing that we are, knowing full well that it should all work itself out. So you are listening to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey here on KLZ 560 AM, also heard on 100.7 FM or the KLZ 560 radio app. Phone number to talk to me on the air is 303-477-5600. Once again, that's 303-477-5600. And my direct line is 720-394-6887. Once again, 720-394-6887. So one of the other things that goes along with trust is people think that, or every once in a while people are like, oh, you just want to write me a trust so that you can charge me more. And I'm like, well, not really. I don't want to do that. But if it works for your situation, that's what we want to do. So I and my family, we have a house. We have a townhouse. It was the first house that we bought, and we were upside down in it when we moved out. So we've had the same renters for the last decade or so, and they're good renters. And we take care of them by not raising the rent, and they take care of us by taking care of the house and paying on time and in full. And it's a great rental situation. And they've been there for a long time, and the original guy who we rented it to, he passed away a few years ago, but his daughter and son-in-law live there, and the daughter has had some medical issues, and they have not been able to qualify for treatment. buying a house on their own. So we try to be fair to them. They try to be fair to us. It's a good system. We also own two RV campsites in Idaho right near the sand dunes in St. Anthony, Idaho. So my in-laws, they've all got their sand vehicles and their RVs, so they'll go stay for a week or two and ride the dunes all the time. And I've gone a couple of times with them. They usually don't go for the whole week because it's the in-laws vacation. And as we all know, camping is the greatest time to go hang out with your in-laws. Everybody camping is happy. Everybody camping is well fed. Everybody's well rested. That's why the expression is he's not a happy camper. Now, I do know people who really love camping and they are happy when they're camping. They're happy campers. But most people when they're camping, they're usually tired because you don't sleep as well as you would at home. They're usually a little bit cranky. They might not be too thrilled that they don't get nice hot showers and everything because you're out camping and it's not quite the same, especially if you have campfires at night. There can be old campfire musty smell on clothes and things like that. So going camping with my in-laws for the entire week, probably not my favorite thing to do. So instead, I found that the flights up there used to be like 125 bucks. Now they're a couple hundred, 300, just because the first time I went was just coming out of COVID and they were just trying to get people back in the airlines. But I'll go up and do that, and then I drive home with my family. It works out great. But we own those. So we own property here in Colorado. We have some in Idaho. And I don't really want my kids to have to go through probate in both states. So I've created a trust so they don't have to go through probate in either state. And for us, that's a really good solution. You know, I also happen to have kids who are under the age of 18, at least two of them now. I have one who she's 19 now and she's she's a full adult and You know, she can act as an adult and all sorts of fun things. But when we went to pick her up from college and she had been following our progress because apparently my wife's phone was broadcasting where she was through the Snapchat app. And so, you know, she was following us in and we got there and we called her. It was like, oh, we're parking, we're walking up. And so she came out of her dorm room and as we were walking up the hill and there's a little grass hill. And so she came and she saw us. And she came running down the hill as fast as she possibly could to come give us a big hug because we hadn't seen her since Christmas in December when we sent her off. So it had been four months that we hadn't seen her. And so she was a full adult, very capable of doing all of the things she needs to do. But at that moment, she was just a little kid running down the hill to see her mom and dad. And so the little kid running down the hill to see her mom and dad, I don't want the little kid running down the hill to see her mom and dad have to go through all of the probate process here, and then try to figure it out in Idaho, where it's different, you know, all those type of things. It's, it's just can be very problematic. It can be very obnoxious. So we've, we made the decision that it would be easier and better on our kids to set up a trust so they don't have to go through probate in either state, much less just one state, or multiple states. You know, as an extra bonus, The trust is already in place so that if my wife and I die while our kids are underage, the money will stay in trust and it will be able to be used for paying for the kids' lives until they're old enough to handle it. Now, my 19-year-old is mature enough that we could put her in charge of everything and she'd be perfectly fine. But I don't necessarily want to do that to her as a 19-year-old because she's just finished her college freshman year. She worked as a research assistant on a professor who was working on cancer research. When she left, she was all excited. Be like, oh, you're coming back next year so I can have your help. And she's like, yes, for sure. Well, last night, she got a phone call that that professor apparently suddenly resigned from the university, leaving the research project in kind of a suspended state and not entirely sure what to do. So she and one of her other... I was seeing one of her other lab tech people. They reached out to a different professor to say, hey, we'd hate to lose all of the progress that's gone here. If you can, we'd love to have you be kind of the faculty sponsor of this. There's a PhD student who's kind of running everything. So we just need a faculty sponsor to handle things, and maybe you could take over for us. So my adult child is dealing with adult things, but I don't necessarily want her to have to go through the legal process that she's never been associated with, of probate, both here and in Colorado. Going through it here in Colorado isn't too bad. Sorry, I meant and in Idaho. Going through probate in Colorado really isn't that bad, but it still is a legal process and you have to follow the proper rules. Going through a legal process both here and in Idaho, Idaho is gonna be slightly different. It probably is decently similar, but I'm only licensed here in Colorado and I don't necessarily know what the process is up there in Idaho. So we set things up in a trust to make things easier on our kids. Fortunately, setting up a trust doesn't necessarily make you not in charge of your own assets or create problems for you when you're trying to do other things with those assets. But rather, it's just a matter of understanding what you need to do with the trust to make sure that it works properly. So the music tells me my time is up. Thank you so much for listening to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey here on 560KLZ. I will be back next week, but John Rush and Rush Reasons are up next. So stay tuned. Thanks and bye.
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welcome to another program of retirement unpacked i want to thank you for tuning in i'm sure there's other things that you could be doing and before i dive into our topics i wanted to encourage you if there are some topics or things that you've heard on this show that you would um like to have some questions answered give my office a call you don't have to come in for an appointment but give my office a call which is 303-744-1128 and I get a lot of people who call in that just have questions and they don't necessarily schedule an appointment or anything like that but they do get something cleared up in their mind that they were previously cloudy about Today, we're going to continue the discussion I had earlier about longevity. And I'm not going to reiterate everything, but I think we all understand that medical science is keeping us alive longer. We already talked about that. And we talked a little bit about those blue zones, certain areas of the globe where people live into their 90s and 100s with great regularity. But what does that mean for us if we're going to plan to retire and our parents are still living and there's some longevity in our DNA? What should we do to make certain that our money lasts? What can we do to make certain that we won't run out of money? What can we do to possibly generate a little extra income in retirement? Well, these are some things that I'm going to talk about this afternoon. The first one, and it's very basic, but it's one of the most important components of nearly everyone's retirement, and that is you can, if you think it's in your best interest, talk to your advisor, talk to me. You can postpone declaring your benefits, filing for your benefits for Social Security. Now, that isn't something I would recommend for everyone, but if you think your retirement income as you move into retirement is not going to be quite as much as you would like, this is often a good solution for everyone. And I'm not going to devote the entire show to Social Security, but I think most of us know that the full retirement age is about age 67 or possibly a few months earlier. There's a sliding scale of when full retirement age in based on your birthday. Now, some people retire early, age 62. And if you're not certain if you'll have enough income in retirement, I wouldn't suggest that unless you have some circumstances that you believe you won't live as long as most folks in retirement because the benefits are reduced between 25% and 30%. But if you had an illness or a medical condition that you believe would make your life expectancy substantially shorter, then it would be a good idea to file for Social Security early. Now, the caveat to that is that if you are still working, after you earn, it's about $23,000 a year, then for every $2 you earn, you lose $1 of Social Security benefits. So filing for Social Security early is not a good idea. now that's only affected by earned income it's not affected by investment income so that's the way to sort of look at that full retirement age again is close to age 67 and if you're not sure if you're going to have enough income in retirement you can postpone all the way to age 70. And if you choose to do that, your retirement income from Social Security will grow by about 8% each year. And people ask, well, should I do it at 67 or age 70? Well, there's a break-even point that's about age 81. So, for example, if two people have the exact same Social Security benefits, one decided to retire at full retirement age and the other postponed to age 70. then the sum that they would have collected from Social Security would be equal by age 81. Now, that doesn't take into consideration the time value of money, and it also doesn't take into consideration how much longer than 81 someone might live. Obviously, if someone died younger than age 81, then filing for Social Security earlier, age 67, then it would clearly be in someone's best interest to do that. Some other things that I talk to people about and that I learn about that helps our income go farther in retirement is possibly downsizing. Now, I've met people who have downsized to a condominium or a townhome. And while that relieves the homeowner of a lot of the duties of shoveling snow and mowing the lawn and things of that nature, there can be significant HOA fees that are associated with that. So if someone can downsize into... a single-family residence that is not part of a condominium or townhome complex where there is either no HOA or a very small HOA, that is a better idea than moving to a condo or townhome because what you end up saving in property tax or possibly a mortgage payment can be lost in HOA fees. And they can be as much as $500 a month, depending on what townhome or condominium complex that, you know, where you end up downsizing or moving to. Something else that I've met a lot of people who do, especially people who have specific skills like engineering or software engineering or some very specific business skills, is consider part-time consulting in the same field where you work. Now, what I would recommend for that, and I know some people who have done that, is that you begin doing it prior to retirement. So you have the contacts lined up and you have the potential future business lined up. But if people are still, you know, basically retired, healthy but desire to continue working and have a little bit of a concern about having your money last as long as you do, I would highly recommend part-time consulting. But I would also recommend beginning that before retirement. I think that makes the most sense. Now, some of the people who I meet that come into my office and we have a conversation. One of the things we often talk about is lowering taxes in retirement. And there are certain things that we can do because as far as making your money last in retirement, if less of your income is taxed, that's going to make your money go farther. And one of the things I often recommend is converting traditional IRA to Roth. And depending on people's age and circumstances, I think the best time to consider that is very late in the year because the cutoff time-wise for doing that is December 31st of that tax year. Now, most people by November or late November or something have a pretty good idea how much income they have earned that year. And we can sit down and consider, well, how much of a traditional IRA do we want to convert to Roth? because traditional IRAs, by the time you are 73 or if you're considerably younger, age 75, there will be required minimum distributions, which, of course, are taxable. On the other hand, if a large part of someone's 401k slash IRA is converted to Roth, then by the time they reach age 73, their RMDs may be substantially smaller. And their entire tax circumstance may be different because if someone's income is largely from a Roth IRA and Social Security, they'll be paying very little, possibly even zero, in federal income tax. So those are some of the things that we can do to make our money last longer in retirement. Now, one of the things I often talk to people about is what we call a bucket strategy, where we can have our resources in three different buckets for three different purposes. The first one is likely the most important because that would be the bucket that would be providing guaranteed income. If you're fortunate enough to work somewhere where they offer a pension, that would be included in guaranteed income. And that... of its own requires a certain discussion because there are usually several pension options depending on what you would want for a surviving spouse. So that is always requiring further discussion. Social security, of course, is a component of that guaranteed income. And if a pension and Social Security together don't provide adequate income, there are annuities that will provide what's called a guaranteed monthly income benefit that will continue as long as you are living, even if the account balance goes down to zero. Now, that's one bucket. And if that bucket provides you adequate income in retirement, one of the components of that, the Social Security component, has a cost of living feature, which, of course, is very useful because some people in retirement may live 20, 25 years, and cost of living can be considerably greater as we go into the future. The second bucket, of course, would be money that's at risk, money that's in the market. And what kind of risk you want to assume is going to be, of course, different than someone else. Some people are not at all uncomfortable if their account value drops because they're confident that it's going to bounce back again. Other people are very uncomfortable with that. So the selection of investments for that component in the bucket that includes risk is going to be different for most people. And the last bucket, which is also extremely important, is an emergency fund, which they recommend to have six months income. And that can be, of course, if your transmission goes out, if your furnace goes out, if one of your children's emergencies all of a sudden becomes your emergency, it's important to have cash in that. And that's money that's readily accessible usually in the Bank, money market, it can even be in an investment account if it's in a money market segment of that investment account. So having these three buckets is a mechanism to help your resources last throughout your retirement. And we talked earlier about part-time consulting. and there are some ways that people can do that there is another big opportunity for people as they move into retirement depending on what they might enjoy doing in retirement for both activity as well as additional income and that is serving on a board A lot of people who are up in years are also serving on the board of directors. And that is a topic in itself that we will dive into right after the break.
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Welcome back to Retirement Unpacked, and we're continuing what we talked about last week, which was longevity, about things you can do to make certain you will have plenty of income during your retirement. We've already talked about some situations where people relocate. We've talked about postponing drawing Social Security. We talked about the advantages and disadvantages of downsizing, talked about part-time consulting in the same field where you worked. And one thing that some people do is they serve on a board of directors for a company. And that is something done by a lot of people in retirement. But there's a lot of rules, and it's not an easy position to get. But it kind of depends on your background and what you might enjoy doing in retirement if you find you have extra time and would like a little extra income. There are six million small companies, some of them private, all of whom need board of directors on their board. And they can be public companies, private companies. They could be LLC. They could be... S corporations, they could be full C corporations, different kinds of companies, but many have boards of directors that need participants, need people on their boards. Now, before we dive too much into the details of this, you may feel really close to a particular nonprofit, but Only 2% of nonprofits pay an income to their board members, with the exception of maybe travel expenses. So if you end up serving on a board of a nonprofit, there's a 98% chance that you won't be compensated. But that $6 million figure that I gave you, those are for private companies, and they do pay for people to be on their board. And if this is something that interests you, I researched it a little bit. There are many different companies that can assist you in finding a position on a board. And one of the things they have pointed out is that like a resume, if you're looking for a job, there is sort of a separate type of resume or portfolio that small companies would like to review to see if you would be a suitable board member. And there are companies that will help you create the best type of portfolio to make it more likely that you'll find a position like that. And if you're leaning toward a particular type of business, then it's wise to learn more about that. business to make it more likely that you can end up finding a seat on that board. And it is a little bit like anything else. If you're looking for a board membership, then you need to create a pathway. Find out what certain companies are looking for in board members. And there are also a considerable number of companies who can help prepare you and even guide you toward finding a board membership. One of those companies is called Board SI. And there is some cost involved, but the cost is relatively modest if you end up finding a position. And they work hard at finding you a position because they're compensated once they find people to fill those positions. But for smaller companies, the compensation is quite good. It's a ballpark investment. is between $20,000 and $40,000 per year. And that may involve between 10 and 20 hours of work per quarter. So we're talking about a reasonable level of compensation without spending an enormous amount of time. And some people find when they find a position on one board, they're able to find a position on a second board and sometimes there's travel and sometimes they're they're not it just totally totally depends but this is something i know when i researched board si They have scores and scores of people who have found positions on boards that have done a testimonial. So if you'd like to learn a little bit more about how you could find a position on a board, it's Board SI. I don't get any kickbacks from them or anything like that. I have just learned that they are a company who... communicates with and has relationships with more other companies who seek board members than supposedly any other business that's doing that. But there's plenty of other information on the internet about finding a position on a board. now although they're very highly compensated i wouldn't recommend trying to get on a fortune 500 companies board i read somewhere where someone was serving on two boards and he or she was making about one million dollars a year but these are fortune 500 companies and being able to find a seat on a board like that i think is highly unlikely But there are many, many companies that have anywhere from 50 to a few hundred employees, small businesses who have boards of directors that help guide the direction that their company takes. And if this is something you'd like to do in retirement, I encourage you to research it and be thinking about what kind of board you'd like to serve on. If you have a lot of interest in, let's say if you've retired from Lockheed Martin, you may find that there are boards in aviation companies or technology companies that are looking for people with your experience. If you've retired from the public sector in a certain area, that background may be very, very useful for a company that has products or services that are quite similar to what you were doing while you're working. So a lot of things to think about. But if you've ever... looked at boards of directors for various companies and so forth you'll find that many of them are older and they they are experienced and it's something where age is almost a benefit rather than something that is someone is looking for work for example and they're in their 60s or 70s Very, very difficult to find a regular job. However, finding a position on a board for someone in that age, if they fit the criteria, is much, much more likely. And you can, for example, easily research some big companies and find out who their board members are. And you can also go online and many of the big financial firms like Forbes and Kiplinger and so forth, they have all kinds of information and assistance that makes it easier for you if you do have interest in becoming a board member, but I think of all the things someone can do in retirement, if he or she has a particular interest in a particular area where they may have worked for many years, this is not like just getting a part-time job at Home Depot or something, but it's clearly something that would be very rewarding there would be travel and a lot of interaction with other people who have worked in similar fields. Well, we've been talking about what we can do to make certain that our money will last. And this program is not totally about taxes, but I think taxes are an important component of that because how long your money will last is going to depend partly on on is that gross income or net income. If you have a reasonably long window before you retire, let's say 10 years or something like that, I talked about it earlier, but a strategy of converting traditional IRA to Roth really makes sense. And the reason for that, if you're like in your 50s or 60s, you'll have to pay tax upfront when you convert to Roth. But then, The growth of that Roth account is tax-free, and the income from that account will be tax-free. And if you've ever looked at compound interest, if you convert maybe $200,000 of a traditional IRA to Roth when you're about 60, by the time you're in your 80s, That could easily be six or eight hundred thousand dollars that represents a tax free nest egg. And you can take income from that on your schedule, not on the IRS's RMD schedule. Thank you for tuning in. God bless you. If you would like a copy of the 2025 tax update, it's about a two page item. I can email it to you. Contact my office at 303-744-1128. Or if you're driving, just get in touch with KLZ. Again, thank you for tuning in. God bless you. And let's keep going. the places on the globe where there's fighting, let's pray that those end and that there's greater peace going forward. Bye now.
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Florida Man with a cardboard license tag. That'll fool him. Was arrested after two pipe bombs and drugs were discovered in his vehicle. You know, I thought this was America. No, no, you can't do that. He was pulled over while driving a car, hit a cardboard license plate with the word private on it. A piece of cardboard with the word private scrawled onto it, affixed to his license. Yeah, it doesn't really work that way. His name is Ben Roach. He was taken to the Walton County Jail, charged with making a bomb, possessing explosives, possessions of controlled substances, tampering with evidence. Oh, my gosh. A ton of charges. There's just a lot. He's got a lot. But, yeah, they said that they immediately noticed the cardboard plate. And then they said that he had no identification, but he had a birth certificate that identified him as Benjamin Roach, 37. And then they found meth, all kinds of meth, probably going to distribute it. And then they found, they took pictures of it, basically cylindrical objects with caps, PVC with caps on each end, wrapped with black electrical tape. Oh. Yeah, and he said, oh, they got gunpowder in them. And they go, well, do they have a fuse? And then, yes, they did. So, yeah, they had ATF. They had to go BAFT. They had to show up. They had to disarm them. And they have no idea why he had this stuff.
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That fake paper tag was the least of his worries.
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Yeah, the paper cardboard license plate. Yeah, it was probably... Yeah, that's probably the least of his concerns with all of this, I would say. I don't... This sounds like a bad news. Bad news. Disney World's announcing a rare adults-only experience at the park. Oh, boy. It's called Blank Dim Kids. And... The experience will offer guests lavish drinks and bites in the new lounge at Epcot. It sounds like hell. Because it's going to be sugary and overpriced. Everything's going to have way too much syrup in it. It's not going to be an actual, like, properly mixed cocktail.
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I think they even talked about, like, an entrance fee or something.
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A 12-foot tall bronze statue.
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of a woman that's been erected in Times Square. It's the only erection that's going to be related to this statue. It's constructing the statue, Cain, because once you put it up, it's up. What are you talking about? Welcome back. Dana Lash here with you. We're at the bottom of this first hour. I bring this up because you guys know I hate modernity, right? I hate modern art, and I hate this monstrosity. To compare it to Michelangelo's David, like taking your thumb grabbing the skull of all of art and shoving your thumb into the eye hole of that skull and just digging in it's just that's exactly what it's like and I mean this ain't no David I gotta say I mean first off let's just talk about the factual aspect of it because woke is infecting art as you know and And with Michelangelo's David, he studied anatomy and physiology to the point where you could see raised portions of the skin indicating what tendons were being used to hold his hand a certain way. Everything, I mean, down to the angle of the eyebrow and the tenseness of the muscles in his jaw, it was all... pointing towards he was about to get into a fight with Goliath. It's young David. I mean, it is a masterpiece. I've seen it up close at the academia where they have the museums there in Florence. And it is amazing. It is so detailed and so lifelike. You can't even appreciate it just from the photos of it. And they let you get right up to it. I mean, his butt's right in your face. giant five foot butt you know anyway but it's fan i mean it's amazing just the attention to detail and for that era as well to note that for that era when i look at this modern day equivalent of the stay puff marshmallow man think ghostbusters like choose your destroyer i don't know that is not it it's not it What does it celebrate? What is this supposed to celebrate? They just put it in Times Square. And you saw some of the celebration or the ceremony that they had for it. It's going to be on display through June 17th. It's part of a series that's called Grounded in the Stars, and it's about stupid identity politics. Sorry, this is how they put it. It confronts preconceived notions of identity and representation, whatever the hell that means. It's garbage modernity. It just looks like a frumpy woman who needs a better bra. That's what it looks like. I'm not going to lie. It does. And they're like, oh, she wears everyday clothes. Her stance is subtle nod to David. Shut up. It just looks like she's mad at her kids. I don't understand. I mean, could I sculpt this? I mean, probably. No. I have no interest in it. I crochet. But... what is the what is the point i mean david every inch of david was calculated and and the the proportions of it uh were all to send a message like for instance the story of how it's it's meant to be viewed from below david is meant to be viewed from below and there were a lot of questions as to the proportions of everything his wrists his hands, his head, everything. It's actually mathematically perfectly proportional when viewed from the ground, because it was supposed to be... I mean, they were going to... It was actually something that was supposed to be, I think, up near towards the Duomo, and then they ended up putting it in front of Palazzo Vecchio. And there... I mean, it's just perfect. There was a story of one of the... Rich nobleman who came to see the finished product. And when he showed up, he's like, oh, Michelangelo, his nose is just a little too big. I don't know. Michelangelo's like, oh, let me fix that for you. And he had some marble dust in his hand. He climbed up his ladder and he was pretending to chisel on the nose and letting dust fall out of his hand. He did nothing to it. And when he got that, and this is a true story, when he got off the ladder, the nobleman was like, oh my gosh, it's perfect now. Like he was able to, you know, with his expertise, fix it. This is not that. It's not. I don't know what it's meant to convey. What does the sculpture say to you? What does it say to you? I hate when you're like, what does art say to you? Can I just appreciate it for what it is? Does it have to always have a message? Must art always preach? Stop. I just look at, like, gosh, I want to get her a better bra. That's my first thought when I look at this. Stop it. You know it is, too. I mean, it just seems defeated, right? I don't know. But they said that, oh, no, it's, you know, they're celebrating whatever identity. I don't know, some stupid stuff. It's a bunch of word salad. That's all it is. So I don't know. To sit here and compare it to David is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. It's not. And the reason it's not is because there's no detail in it. It's all smooth. There's not even detail in the jeans. There's not even seaming on the jeans. Like if you're wearing pants, if you're wearing denim, you have seams on the denim. You have tailoring. You have stitching. On the arms, the arms are smooth. There's no veins on the arms. There's no appearance. I mean, they're not lifelike at all. It looks like she's covered just by, you know, like with fondant. That's it. There's no detail. Michelangelo had incorporated all of that detail into David. Every bit of detail. So to compare them is artistically, intellectually stupid. It's one of the dumbest comparisons I've ever heard in my life. Stop. I had to get this off my chest because this sculpture is horrifying. GoldCo is making it easy to take that first step toward protecting your savings. 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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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So apparently in Ohio, police found a raccoon with a meth pipe in the driver's seat of a car. I'm not making this up. There's actual video of it. The officer couldn't stop laughing. The raccoon was trying to smoke a meth pipe during a vehicle search in Springfield Township, Ohio. Now, there is a crazy lady also in the car in the driver's seat, but the raccoon was in her lap. And it had a meth pipe in its mouth. And the lady was being stopped for a suspended license. And then they found this like massive drug supply in her vehicle. The raccoon's name is Chewy. And it was making use of the meth pipe. The owner, Victoria Vidal, 55, was detained. No, Chewy was not driving the car. The human occupant. She also had a warrant out for her arrest, was the driver of the car, but Chewy got a hold of the glass meth pipe, and then officers were like, well, you know, now you're being irresponsible with your raccoon, so now we gotta go and... I mean, I don't know if I can play the video for you yet because I think there's probably some colorful language, but we'll dust it up for you and shake it off here coming up because it's, oh, man. Smokey Robinson and his wife were sued by four women as the stars being accused of raping staff after luring them to camera-less rooms. Okay, I need to stop. This has got to stop. It's Smokey Robinson. Tears of a clown, Smokey Robinson. I mean, do you believe that in him? Do you think he did this?
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Dude's 85.
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He's 85 years old.
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When are they saying this took place?
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If he didn't move, I'd be like, he's done dead. If he didn't move, I'd be like, that man is deceased. He is not with us because he's got this perpetually like dead look on his face. I don't know. Anyway, I just I don't know if I buy it. I think somebody's trying to shake him out for money because they've never launched these accusations against him in his career. This came out of nowhere when the man's in his mid-80s. Left-handed people are apparently more common to be left-handed if you have a certain mental disorder a major study finds. I think this is all nonsense. It's nonsense, Cain. What if you're ambidextrous? I'm not asking for anybody in particular. I'm just saying. I don't know if you saw this. Wokescold stuff. Cain, do you have protein? Do you eat protein?
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In the form of steak and eggs and chicken and stuff. Yeah, of course.
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Okay. So apparently protein is right wing. It's probably fascist.
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What?
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It's literally a piece at Vanity Fair that talks about how if you eat protein, then it's like apparently right wing. Here's the headline. Why are Americans so obsessed with protein? Blame MAGA. Who's the lady who wrote this? Let me look at this idiotic lady.
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Why wouldn't they blame survival or the survival mechanism?
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I don't know. This woman, her name is Kezia Weir. How much do you want to bet that she's not fit herself? Oh, she's not. Oh, that's surprising. Anyway, she's a senior editor at Vanity Fair and kind of a mid, I guess. It's important for the discussion of protein. Shut up. anybody who's ever wanted to be healthy has always eaten protein. I mean, you know that I've had protein drinks even before Trump was in the White House. They act like Trump invented protein, and it's bad because Trump invented it. This is so stupid. This is a broad who... No, like a woman, not like overseas. This is a broad who clearly has not paid attention to anything in culture and thinks that history began the day that she became self-aware. She literally just now realized that people... consume protein for health. And because she only just now realized it, she thinks that it's MAGA related. Oh my gosh, this is embarrassing. And it's in Vanity Fair. So she starts talking about how people hawk protein powder and she gets into protein foods and protein bars. You know, that's been a big thing for a while. Tell me that you sit on your fat backside all day without telling me that you sit on your fat backside all day. I just didn't even know that people were consuming protein. It's so weird.
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But they're saying people are obsessed. Usually they weren't obsessed with protein. That's like saying someone, oh, you're obsessed with drinking water every day. You're obsessed. It's like, no, I'm obsessed with survival.
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She literally tries to say, this is a sentence. Are you ready? I need everybody to just hold onto a table cause I'm going to hit you with a sentence. Are you ready? Oh boy. Here it goes. The intertwinement of masculinity and red meat is strong and deep seated. Yeah.
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It's called the beginning of humanity to now.
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I know this is going to be shocking. Women also like red meat. I pretty much eat, um, just meat and vegetables. Pretty much it's all I eat. I don't really do a lot of carbs unless it's with pasta and then I'm really particular about my pasta. If it's not homemade, then it has to be Italian import because I don't do all the chemicals and all that stuff. I think a lot of the gluten sensitivity is actually chemical sensitivity from all the stupid junk they put in the stuff that we manufacture here. But the idea that wanting to eat red meat means you're more masculine Again, I'm just insulted that this chick is so culturally illiterate that she's been unaware of the existence of protein powders and consuming protein for health and having like a heavy meat diet that she thinks that that is like a MAGA thing. Like no one did protein until Trump was in the White House. Are you kidding me? I mean, I'm not exaggerating. She's literally arguing this. This is the actual story. This is what she's actually arguing. Oh, wait, there's more. Are you ready? Check this sentence out. that men who have what they describe as a strong meat-eating identity also tend to perceive themselves as more masculine. An obsession with a protein affords a masculine-coated cover on the feminine-coated world of body image and dieting, a subject over which men can bond as bros. You kidding me with this? And then she talks about, because not only everybody, anybody ever talks about Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan's done this for forever, by the way. And I... I'm just shocked. Like she has apparently literally never paid attention to any of these people before until just now. I find that incredibly sexist. Not only is she embarrassingly uneducated and unaware, like I said, culturally illiterate, these people who think I just not realize this. So no, it must not have existed until I realized it. Uh, I find it sexist because it ignores the fact that women have amazing health advantages from whole foods diets, healthy diets where you're getting your protein, you're getting, you know, your roughage, all of that, like healthy eating. It's just not even dieting. It's called healthy eating. And I hate the word dieting. I don't diet. I just eat healthy. I eat what I want, but I, I have trained myself to, I eat in between certain hours. So I basically do intermittent fasting all the, every day. I eat during certain hours. I eat stuff that's going to fuel me because I have to go, go, go. And I have a very, I'm a very, even though I'm a situational extrovert, I'm a very wound up person. Like I'm all the time, like in a good way, but I have to feel that I have to have energy. And I that's that's not dieting. That's healthy eating. It's not feminine coded. And the idea here's the other absolutely insane thing that she's promoting here is that somehow if a man wants to eat healthy, then he is doing so. He only talks about protein and eating red meat to as a veneer because he doesn't want it to look feminine that he's eating. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Have you read this piece? Have you perused it?
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I have. reluctantly because it was... Actually, I thought it was a comedy piece.
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Well, she has like no muscle tone. So I'm not surprised that she's unfamiliar with any of this stuff.
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I thought it was comedy parody.
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I went and looked at pictures of her. What?
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I thought it was comedy parody. I thought she was just... I literally did too. Yeah. That's how I thought it was at first. And then when you get about halfway through, you're like, oh, geez, she's serious.
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This is how pathetic the left is. They will literally kill themselves with bad cholesterol and greasy foods because eating healthy is Trumpian. No, we're not going to eat healthy. We're going to smoke crack. That's basically what they're saying.
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I mean, the article would have actually made more sense if instead of she said MAGA, she would have said MAHA. If she said MAHA, then I would be like, okay, I guess Make America Healthy Again, you're against that. But it's like, you're trying to attribute this to a political movement? This is so ridiculous.
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I've always eaten healthy. I don't work out as much as I did, but there for a while I was, we were, and you know this, we were in the gym six days a week. I'm not, sometimes seven, six days a week. And I did kickboxing three days a week. Oh, we were like hardcore. It got to the point where I didn't want to look like Madonna. And I was like, I started getting a little bit too muscly. And I didn't like that for me. It's totally, I mean, it's totally fine if other, you know, but I'm like, I wanted to maintain a certain level. I wanted to maintain a certain fat percentage. And I have a crazy high metabolism, crazy high. And I could look like, you know, real, what am I thinking, a vascular real quick. And I didn't want to do that. So I got to be very careful about that. So I started pulling back. But she acts like if you're going to the gym and working out, like even moderately, that that's like a MAGA thing. If you're eating protein, that's a MAGA thing. If you're talking about protein drinks, that's a MAGA. Maybe stop being a bigot. And again, like I went and looked at pictures. She has no muscle tone. So I have I you know, she doesn't follow the stuff. She doesn't follow, you know, healthy eating and working out. And she doesn't. This is not her beat. She's just a political bigot. And she wants to cast dispersions on the character by using stereo on edge like this uneducated stereotype. As a way to do so. Can you imagine like you can if you're just a moron about everything, you can fabricate yourself a little straw man for whatever issue you'd like. Good heavens. Yeah, I just and it's and it's a gender thing and a MAGA thing. This woman would fall over. I mean, I eat I protein. I have protein. I don't I have protein drinks or protein powders. I do all that stuff. Like it's just about being healthy. I want to just be healthy and have energy. That's what it's about, you know, and have muscle tone. That's that's my whole thing. I want strength and I want muscle tone. That's it. So she just that's just so stupid of all the things to politicize. Why would you politicize health? That's how the left is. They're like, oh, we want to be healthy and all have strokes and heart attacks because not doing that is MAGA. They will literally kill themselves to not have common ground on anything. These people are nuts.
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In this engaging episode, we explore the cultural and geopolitical shifts happening today. Dana Lash discusses the growing trend of Gen Z's embrace of conservative values, as well as the tensions between India and Pakistan following recent provocations. Tune in for a lively conversation that also touches on the influence of modern art and the potential of youth mentorship to drive change.
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First relates to gain of function research. Gain of function research is a type of biomedical research where pathogens are adulterated, viruses are adulterated to make them more potent or to change the way that they function. Many people believe that gain of function research was one of the key causes of the COVID pandemic that struck us in the last decade. What this executive order does, first of all, it provides powerful new tools to enforce the ban on federal funding for data function research abroad. It also strengthens other oversight mechanisms related to that issue and creates an overarching strategy to ensure that biomedical research in general is being conducted safely and in a way that ultimately protects human health more. It's a big deal. Could have been that we wouldn't have had the problem we had. A lot of people say that, sir.
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If we had this done earlier. Thank you.
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All right. I love the guy that tells him all this stuff. He's like the town crier. Well, Mr. President, this right here has to do with gain-of-function research and the stupid stuff that Anthony Fauci was secretly doing. And he never runs out of patience explaining this to POTUS. Like, he never... He doesn't... He doesn't... What am I thinking of? He doesn't get tired of it and he doesn't edit this editorialize. He doesn't editorialize any of it. And he's just like, well, Mr. President, this is what this is. I love I just love it. I love that aspect of it. And I think I want him to do all of it all the time everywhere. I just wish I don't know. You're going to hear you know what I'm going to say. None of this matters anything if Congress doesn't do its job. Doesn't matter. None of it matters. I know I'm so sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but at least I'm being honest with you. If the people, the other people that you talk to or listen to aren't telling you this stuff, you got to be questioning what their end goal is. Sorry, but you got to. Trust no B, y'all. You got to be wondering why they're not talking more about this. So welcome to the program. Dana Lash with you, and we're at the top of this first hour. And then we also have, we've got a lot to hit because we've got, Cain, we've got the Pope World series. And we're going to be talking about, I don't, I, so my husband's family is, they are, some of them are Catholic. And I just we're going to get into some of what is happening because they shut the doors a little bit ago to St. Peter's. And it's beautiful in there. I can't imagine a more beautiful place to have to work than the Sistine Chapel. It is absolutely gorgeous. You're not supposed to take photos there. And I think it's trashy. JD Vance was given permission. I think it's trashy when people don't listen because the rest of us listen and we don't take photos. But anyway, it's beautiful in there. And they were explaining to us exactly what happens when we were there. The one and only time I've ever been at the Vatican a couple of years ago. But I mean, the beauty of the room cannot be... appreciated enough it is one of the most amazing things to work i would be so distracted if i was a cardinal i'd be looking at the ceiling i mean i wouldn't be because i'd be a woman that wouldn't happen but you know what i mean i'd be looking around looking at the ceiling like did you guys see this part here i wouldn't get anything done so all that started they just shut the doors of the conclave and then where everybody's going to be watching the smoke And it's I mean, it's very interesting how you have the new pope selection happening and you have this new administration happening simultaneously. I'm not saying the two are related. What I'm saying is that there are major shifts underway. Look at it like that for a moment. This is what my brain does to me at night when I go to bed. Right. This is my brain. My brain's like, do you think if we had email back and I mean, it asks me all my brain asks me all kinds of stupid questions and I can't go to sleep. But then I was thinking like, wow. There's like a major shift happening right now. And we're going to talk about that a little later on in the program with a friend of mine who is the most expert-y expert that I know. He's literally the most Catholic person I've ever met in my life. And I have a lot of Catholic friends, except for maybe one of my other friends, who's a she. But we're going to talk to Matthew Marsden, who's also an actor. He's been in some stuff, but he literally is the most Catholic. He's got a million children. That's like the first thing, you know, that's like... You're either Catholic or you're redoing Cheaper by the Dozen. One of the two. That old movie. One of the two. Anyway, so we're going to talk to him about that because there is a growing number and it's really Gen Z. And there's been a lot of rumors about this for like the past 10 years or so that they are maybe the more conservative generation. You've heard this too, Cain, right? Yes. They might be the more conservative generation because I think Gen Z and Gen X don't like millennials and boomers and millennials hate each other. Gen X gets along with everybody. We'll talk about this too because Vogue had a piece saying, are Gen X really the cool ones? And I'm like, yeah, duh, welcome. But I bring this up because there's a crazy amount of young people that are becoming not spiritual, but becoming Christian. And particularly amongst that group, there is a huge movement towards Catholicism. And I find that fascinating with Gen Z. What contributes to that? Because no one, I don't think anyone thought to study it. No one really was like paying attention to Gen Z. And Gen Z has been raised by Gen X and super old millennials. Old millennials and Gen X have raised Gen Z. Young boomers raised millennials. So that's it's just fascinating. We're going to discuss some of that. Oh, also. The other big thing kind of kicked off yesterday between India and Pakistan. I don't know if you saw this. I saw a lot of headlines joking about Pakistan. well goodbye that was it we had a good we had a nice run so india launched a military operation so in response to a terror attack a lot of the headlines were really misleading about this stuff because see again it's like hamas and israel you know pakistan commits it to they they you have people in pakistan they carry out a terror atrocity in india india responds militarily And they're like, oh, India attacked Pakistan. They didn't, though. It was a response. Pakistan has vowed. I don't know how Pakistan can vow retaliation because it's what India did. But this has to do with the Pakistan administered territories in Kashmir. India's Ministry of Defense said it was targeting specifically terrorist infrastructure because of that deadly attack last month. And everyone's been saying it's a major escalation. Can we just full stop? I am so tired of whenever terrorists decide to kill people. That's not considered an escalation. But when good people respond to put an end to terrorism, that's considered an escalation. I really feel I think at this point, if you're writing those type of headlines, you're also a terrorist. CNN had some terrorists describing it as a, quote, unquote, major escalation. Done with it. Done with it. That the I mean, this is asinine. Kane, how many times have we seen this? They protect terrorists, whether it's Hamas or whether it's these terror cells in Pakistan.
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It's mind boggling.
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I mean, okay, we all learn cause and effect in elementary school, right? At least middle school. I mean, I remember learning about cause and effect in first or second grade. If someone does something... To you, that's considered the provocation, right? That's the cause. If someone responds, that isn't the cause. That's literally the response. That's the effect of that original action. But yet, I have a CNN headline. I have CNN. I have an Associated Press. I have an Agence France Press. I'm looking at... They're all saying, oh, India escalates, India escalates, India escalates, India escalates over and over again. That's all I've seen. That was a response. That's like saying Israel escalated everything after Hamas carried out the genocide against them on October 7th. It is like this every single time. Why do these why are these people so hard up for terrorists? All over. It's crazy. So we're going to come back to this because you have two nuclear powers that are slap fighting right now. I'm Team India, by the way. I'm Team India. I'm just going to say it. You're going to see a lot of these experts, though. I'm Team India just because, I mean, it's terrorism. Pakistan has been fighting over, they've been fighting over this area. Sounds very familiar, right? So we're going to get into all of this stuff. Also... We the I got law and order for you, and we're going to get into some of the immigration issues because this is keep this is pushing forward in the House, this idea to have people self-deport. And I'm just saying maybe if we had harsher penalties against people who enter the country illegally, we wouldn't have to pay them an additional one thousand dollars in taxpayer money. to encourage them nicely to go back across the border to their place of origin. Just wanted to throw that out there. Also, what if we had E-Verify? Wouldn't E-Verify also be a good deterrence against that so we don't have to pay people $1,000 of, again, hard-earned taxpayer dollars? I'm just saying. It just seems like that would... Seems like that might be the thing to do. So we're going to touch on that as well. We also have, again, this law and order stuff. I'm going to pull this up. The It's a there's a couple of self-defense issues. One of them was in was reported by Fox, D.C. And this is in Virginia, where a homeowner is they're considering whether or not they're going to charge this homeowner in the fatal shooting that happened over the weekend of a teenager. Well, he's 18 years old, so he's a young adult. He's a legal adult at this point. So they said that these three young adults were saying that they were just doing ding dong ditch. First off, if you're 18 years old and you're doing ding dong ditch, you're a loser. That's like, why don't you go and play with some Legos next? That's so stupid. But that's not what they were doing. Explain to the radio audience. Ding dong ditch. What's the practice of it?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, you go up to the front door of the home where the doorbell dinger is. Right. The dingy thing. And then you press the doorbell dingy thing. Right. And then you run away.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Okay. So that's it. So they were in the backyard.
SPEAKER 12 :
There's no doorbell.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. I mean, do you guys have doorbells in your backyard? I don't have a doorbell. In my backyard. Steve, do you have a doorbell in your backyard? Well, you're in D.C., so you're... But I mean, you know, did your folks have a doorbell in their backyard? Okay, so you're just the front. This is, like, kind of typical. Juan, you don't have a doorbell in the back, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to make sure. Like, I wanted to make sure that I wasn't one of the poor, you know, losers that didn't have a doorbell in their backyard. I don't know. Maybe it's, like, something for fancy people. Anyway, these three young adults, 18 and up, were in this guy's backyard. breaking and entering. And he had no idea what was going on. He's like, holy cow. And he fires in self-defense. One of them is killed. And they're considering whether or not they're going to charge this guy for self-defense. We're going to talk about this case because, again, it always comes down to self-defense is under attack. So we have a lot to get into. The ongoing conclave. I don't think... From what I understand from the Vaticanistas or whatever they call the people that monitor the day to day, I don't think you're going to see any indication that they have concluded a round of ballots until I think it's like two Eastern. So it'll probably be like one central to Eastern because there's a whole process that goes along with it. You know, when you cast the ballot, you say the name. uh or the cardinals that are adjudicating it uh read the name then they say it out loud and then they you know they poke the hole through the thing the red string they they it's like a big thing it almost sounds like they're making garland but uh there's a whole process so they so i don't think that you're going to see like any indication from first round to later today so we have a lot to hit today uh and you don't want to miss any of it as we move our friends over at pre-born Great, great organization. This Mother's Day, celebrate the gift of life, stand with women facing unplanned pregnancies. Society tells them they're not empowered enough to raise their own children, and this is where Preborn comes in. They operate in actually all of the highest abortion rate areas, cities, regions across the nation, and they provide life-saving ultrasounds. Just last year alone, they saved over 67,000 babies. And this is the thing. When a mother hears her baby's heartbeat, that baby's chance at life doubles. And that's the only way the baby can be heard. $28 provides an ultrasound. You're not only hearing the heartbeat. This is the baby's voice. This is the mom meeting the baby. $140 can help rescue five babies. And your gift allows for that to happen. They have a four-star charity rating. so you can give confidently uh they are the the gospel leader of the pro-life movement and they want to save have 1 000 life-saving ultrasounds before mother's day that's this weekend so join pre-born in their mission to sponsor 1 000 life-saving ultrasounds before mother's day one heartbeat can change a life forever you're saving families give now at preborn.com dana donate by dialing pound 250 and say the word baby Or give securely at preborn.com slash Dana. Pound 250. Say the word baby to help save lives.
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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So apparently in Ohio, police found a raccoon with a meth pipe in the driver's seat of a car. I'm not making this up. There's actual video of it. The officer couldn't stop laughing. The raccoon was trying to smoke a meth pipe during a vehicle search in Springfield Township, Ohio. Now, there is a crazy lady also in the car in the driver's seat, but the raccoon was in her lap And it had a meth pipe in its mouth. And the lady was being stopped for a suspended license. And then they found this like massive drug supply in her vehicle. The raccoon's name is Chewy. And it was making use of the meth pipe. The owner, Victoria Vidal, 55, was detained. No, Chewy was not driving the car. The human occupant, whom also had she also had a warrant out for her arrest, was the driver of the car. But Chewy got a hold of the glass meth pipe. And then officers were like, well, you know, now you're being irresponsible with your raccoon. So now we got to go and. I mean, I don't know if I can play the video for you yet because I think there's probably some colorful language, but we'll dust it up for you and shake it off here coming up because it's, oh, man. Smokey Robinson and his wife were sued by four women as the stars being accused of raping staff after luring them to camera-less rooms. Okay, I need to stop. This thing's got to stop. It's Smokey Robinson. Tears of a clown. Smokey Robinson. I mean, do you believe that in him? Do you think he did this?
SPEAKER 11 :
Dude's 85. He's 85 years old. What are they saying this took place?
SPEAKER 13 :
If he didn't move, I'd be like, he's done dead. If he didn't move, I'd be like, that man is deceased. He is not with us because he's got this perpetually like dead look on his face. I don't know. Anyway, I just I don't know if I buy it. I think somebody's trying to shake him out for money because they've never launched these accusations against him in his career. This came out of nowhere when the man's in his mid-80s. Left-handed people are apparently more common to be left-handed if you have a certain mental disorder, a major study finds. I think this is all nonsense. It's nonsense, Kane. What if you're ambidextrous? I'm not asking for anybody in particular. I'm just saying we have a lot more on the way. We've got a law and order in the conclave. Gold Co. is making it easy to take that first step toward protecting your savings. Just fill out a quick form, no commitment, just free information, and then they'll ship you your free 2025 gold and silver kit straight to your door. No shipping fees, no strings, just a free info kit to help you understand how gold and silver can fit into your financial plan. I'm a big believer in doing your research, and this kit is a great place to start. So I'm really excited to be partnering with Gold Co. because not only do they support my show, which I truly appreciate, but they've made the whole process of buying precious metals super straightforward. Because if you're a fan of the show, Gold Co. is also going to tell you how to qualify for unlimited free bonus silver on eligible orders. If you qualify, you can even get a free half ounce silver Ronald Reagan coin. Totally free. Don't wait. Take that first step towards protecting and diversifying your savings with Gold Co. Visit danalikesgold.com to learn more. That's danalikesgold.com.
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A 12-foot tall bronze statue of a woman that's been erected in Times Square. It's the only erection that's going to be related to this statue. It's constructing the statue, Cain, because once you put it up, it's up. What are you talking about? Welcome back. Dana Lash here with you. We're at the bottom of this first hour. I bring this up because you guys know I hate modernity, right? I hate modern art. And I hate this monstrosity to compare it to Michelangelo's David is like taking your thumb, grabbing the skull of all of art and shoving your thumb into the eye hole of that skull and just digging in. It's just, that's exactly what it's like. And, um, I mean, this ain't no David, I got to say. I mean, first off, let's just talk about the factual aspect of it because woke is infecting art, as you know. And with Michelangelo's David, he studied anatomy and physiology to the point where you could see raised portions of the skin indicating what tendons are. were being used to hold his hand a certain way. Everything, I mean, down to the angle of the eyebrow and the tenseness of the muscles in his jaw, it was all... pointing towards he was about to get into a fight with Goliath. It's young David. I mean, it is a masterpiece. I've seen it up close at the academia where they have the museums there in Florence. And it is amazing. It is so detailed and so lifelike. You can't even appreciate it just from the photos of it. And they let you get right up to it. I mean, his butt's right in your face. giant five foot butt you know anyway but it's fan i mean it's amazing just the attention to detail and for that era as well to note that for that era when i look at this modern day equivalent of the stay puff marshmallow man think ghostbusters like choose your destroyer i don't know that is not it it's not it What does it celebrate? What is this supposed to celebrate? They just put it in Times Square. And you saw some of the celebration or the ceremony that they had for it. It's going to be on display through June 17th. It's part of a series that's called Grounded in the Stars, and it's about stupid identity politics. Sorry, this is how they put it. It confronts preconceived notions of identity and representation, whatever the hell that means. It's garbage modernity. It just looks like a frumpy woman who needs a better bra. That's what it looks like. I'm not going to lie. It does. And they're like, oh, she wears everyday clothes. Her stance is subtle nod to David. Shut up. It just looks like she's mad at her kids. I don't understand. I mean, could I sculpt this? I mean, probably. No. I have no interest in it. I crochet. But... What is the point? I mean, David, every inch of David was calculated and the proportions of it were all to send a message. Like, for instance, the story of how it's meant to be viewed from below. David is meant to be viewed from below. And there were a lot of questions as to the proportions of everything, his wrists, his his hands, his head, everything. It's actually mathematically perfectly proportional when viewed from the ground because it was supposed to be, I mean, they were, they were, they were going to, uh, it was actually something that was supposed to be, I think up near towards the Duomo. And then they ended up putting it, uh, in front of, uh, uh, Palazzo Vecchio. And, uh, there, I mean, it's, it's just perfect. There was a story of one of the, um, Rich nobleman who came to see the finished product. And when he showed up, he's like, oh, Michelangelo, his nose is just a little too big. I don't know. Michelangelo's like, oh, let me fix that for you. And he had some marble dust in his hand. He climbed up his ladder and he was pretending to chisel on the nose and letting dust fall out of his hand. He did nothing to it. And when he got that, and this is a true story, when he got off the ladder, the nobleman was like, oh my gosh, it's perfect now. Like he was able to, you know, with his expertise, fix it. This is not that. It's not. I mean, I don't know what it's meant to convey. What does the sculpture say to you? What does it say to you? I hate when you're like, what does art say to you? Can I just appreciate it for what it is? Does it have to always have a message? Must art always preach? Stop. I just look at like, gosh, I want to get her a better bra. That's my first thought when I look at this. Stop it. You know it is too. I mean, it just seems defeated, right? I don't know. But they said that, oh, no, they're celebrating whatever identity. I don't know. Some stupid stuff. It's a bunch of word salad. That's all it is. So I don't know. To sit here and compare it to David is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. It's not. And the reason it's not is because there's no detail in it. It's all smooth. There's not even detail in the jeans. There's not even seaming on the jeans. Like if you're wearing pants, if you're wearing denim, you have seams on the denim. You have tailoring. You have stitching everywhere. On the arms, the arms are smooth. There's no veins on the arms. There's no appearance. I mean, they're not lifelike at all. It looks like she's covered just by, you know, like with fondant. That's it. There's no detail. Michelangelo had incorporated all of that detail into David. Every bit of detail. So to compare them is artistically, intellectually stupid. It's one of the dumbest comparisons I've ever heard in my life. Stop. I had to get this off my chest because this sculpture is horrifying. When you're comparing it to David, why do we sit here and devalue skill sets? You know, there are some really amazing sculptors out there, but they don't get any attention. Because they don't do woke stuff. There are some phenomenal sculptors out there, some that their genius probably could propel them up into that upper echelon with those Renaissance greats. But you never hear about them because they don't do stupid woke stunts like this. This is just an embarrassment. If I had done this sculpture and someone was comparing it to David, I would immediately have to get out in front of that and be like, oh, dear heavens, no. I mean, all you have to do, again, look at her wrists. And there's other photos that show you what her hands look like and her arms. And it's all smooth. There's no detail. There's no bones. There's no veins. There's no valleys in between the tendons that go towards your fingers. David had all of that. That's why it is so amazing. It is one of the most lifelike sculptures you're ever going to see. And... This is not it. So I feel like the people making these comparisons literally know nothing of what they're speaking about. Not at all. You know, this stuff aggravates me. Gosh, I hate modernity. Modernity is just garbage. The Supreme Court ruled that POTUS's ban on transgender troops can stay for now. They lifted a lower court's decision to pause the policy, which is a significant win for POTUS and SECDEF. And it allows the DOD to continue removing transgender service members from the military and denying enlistment. I don't think transgender, you're going to get mad at me all you want to, I don't think that transgender soldiers, if you're not able to serve first and be a part of a unit without bringing that with you, then you are not fit for service. I think it's a mental illness. I think pretending to be a different sex is a mental illness. Either that or it's a selfish demand upon society that masks itself as a mental illness for greater acceptance and to avoid any kind of challenge. Ultimately I think that's what the majority of it is. But no, if you have a mental illness, no, you should not be in the military. I mean, for crying out loud, if you have flat feet, I don't even know if that works anymore, but they used to deny you for that. They would deny you if you had like scoliosis. They would deny you if you had like a number of other, even what we would consider to be minor ailments, minor physical issues, you would be considered unfit for service. And the whole purpose is that a unit is only as strong as its weakest member, and you want your weakest member to be tough and to not have any vulnerabilities at all whatsoever. And it's either about having a fighting force and caring about the lives of the other individuals who selflessly said that they were going to serve, or it's not. I think it's selfish to demand that everyone else lower their expectations and endanger their lives to accommodate cosplay. That has no position in the military. I don't care. It has zero, zero belonging in the military. So I'm glad that the Supreme Court did this. They said that... Because this is all from that executive order that was signed towards the end of January, and they immediately started in on that. They immediately started to litigate it. And they had... Obviously, Sotomayor, Kagan and Jackson would have they indicated in the filing that they would have decided against them. But so this this is a big this is a big celebratory thing because we can now maybe start to get back to restoring the purpose of our military. Of course, again, broken record. If Congress doesn't do any of this, this will all revert in three years. If you have a Democrat president, heaven forbid, all of this is gone. Every bit of it. Every bit. And now, do you know the excuse that I'm hearing from some, not hearing, but reading from some Republican lawmakers when they're pushing back against voters who are demanding action and stop dragging their feet? Do you know what they're saying? Oh, we got to wait till after midterms. That is actually, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you they're going to constantly use that as it, cause they don't want to do it. They don't want to do any of this stuff. You know, sometimes you got to ask, is the real opponent Democrats or is it other Republicans within the party? I think that's the big that's the big question. This is also the historic anniversary of the ending of all hostilities. Not I mean, the Nazis gave up today. This is there's a lot of the ending of World War Two. And I think most everybody sells it on May 8th, but actually it apparently happened at 2.41 a.m. local time on May 7th at a ceremony in Reims, France. And that's when Eisenhower, who was at the time the supreme commander of the Allied forces in Europe, that's when he actually officially accepted France. the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany. So most everybody celebrates it, the VE Day on the 8th, but technically it was 2.41 a.m. local time, May 7th is when it happened. The unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany. And how sad that we're seeing such a rise in some bigotry and all of this stuff. worldwide all these years later. We have more on the way. Kel-Tec Generations 3 Gen 3 Sub 2K 10 millimeter. We've been waiting for this for a long time because we were telling you about the 57, F-I-D-D-Y, the 57. 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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
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The FBI, they're reviewing, there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn. And there are hundreds of victims and no one victim will ever get released. It's just the volume and that's what they're going through right now. The FBI is diligently going through that.
SPEAKER 13 :
I don't believe any of it. I'm sorry. I'm so tired of hearing this stupid nonsense. I don't believe any... Didn't she have this stuff on her desk like a month ago? No, didn't she tell everybody? She tweeted it out. She had this stuff on her desk.
SPEAKER 12 :
Where is it at?
SPEAKER 13 :
All these people, all they are are a bunch of damn pimps that use this stuff for clout. And they don't release a single bit of it. Who's reviewing what? Put it all out there. Put it all out there. It doesn't jeopardize a damn thing. Why are you looking at me like that?
SPEAKER 12 :
Because these victims, they have to redact all the information out of there to make sure these victims are protected from identity.
SPEAKER 13 :
How long have they had these files to redact on?
SPEAKER 12 :
I don't know how long. I don't know how many files there are.
SPEAKER 13 :
For forever. This stuff's been sitting on this chick's desk since January.
SPEAKER 12 :
What do you think is a reasonable amount of time to make sure these victims don't get their names in?
SPEAKER 13 :
It's not difficult to do. You can use AI, strip the names out.
SPEAKER 12 :
But how much time do you think it takes?
SPEAKER 13 :
Five seconds. Five seconds. Yep. Use AI, strip the names out.
SPEAKER 12 :
These people think you're stupid. They think you're stupid. They're wasting time.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, they are. They're wasting time. Remember when they were like, oh, we got this on our desk. Yeah, we have them in our possession. Then where did that talking point go? That was over a month ago. All I hear are a bunch of political pimps that are just using this stuff for clout. That's all it is. I'm tired of it. I'm so tired of the press conferences about it. Well, we've got it. Yeah, we're still reviewing it. OK, y'all said that a month ago.
SPEAKER 12 :
I'm also hearing rumors of thousands of documents and records being destroyed in regards to this Epstein case.
SPEAKER 13 :
All they have to do is the files that they have. It's not difficult. You can control F it. Control F it. Find the names. Get them out. Use AI to strip out any names. It's not difficult. That's actually one of the easiest things you could do.
SPEAKER 11 :
Just F it.
SPEAKER 13 :
To redact it. That's not even an issue. The issue is that they won't do it. Because they, I don't know, give me a good, I have no faith in anyone. So clearly you need to understand my perspective on this. I have no faith in anyone, be they right or left.
SPEAKER 12 :
I completely understand your perspective on it. But I don't have, I'm not going to sit there and say Pam Bondi's lying.
SPEAKER 13 :
I didn't say she was lying.
SPEAKER 12 :
You said she's not telling the truth.
SPEAKER 13 :
I said that this is like a political pimp stunt. I'm so tired of hearing about, oh, we got it. Yeah, wink, wink. Yeah, we're going through them.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, you said that a month ago. You said you don't believe them.
SPEAKER 13 :
And then a month ago, you said that a month ago.
SPEAKER 12 :
You said you don't believe them, which would imply that they're lying.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I don't believe them. I didn't say lying, though. There's a difference. I don't believe them. You can have misdirection, which technically isn't a lie if you're omitting certain information.
SPEAKER 12 :
Government certainly knows about misdirection.
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Yeah, I just, show me the files, man. That's all we've been asking for. There's always some kind of excuse that they got. And now they're re-victimizing the victims more by acting like they can't redact their names. Come on.
SPEAKER 12 :
Maybe some ghost stole this.
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Okay, yeah, so we've got, it's a whole other thing. My husband insists that last night he heard what was a bone-chilling sound, and he has spent all morning being Detective Lash. Yeah. looking at all the security cameras, trying to figure out where. And then there was a lot of fog last night. So now he's got these images of the driveway and different parts of the property. And he's like, look at this white fog smoke stuff.
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You guys have a ghost.
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What's been confusing on this is some people see due process like that's an American citizen. That's a right to a jury trial. That's all those different things. That's not true for due process for someone who's not a citizen of the United States. It's a different process. It's often just literally what people call an immigration judge. is not a typical federal judge or a state judge this is someone that's in the bureaucracy that their task for dhs is that task on it so they're they're a government employee career that's an immigration judge so it's a very different process for it but yes there's a there's a need to be able to give an opportunity for someone to be able to make an argument before they're removed in the country it's just no i that's where he i think he's wrong sorry i disagree with him on this that's and i i i like lingford he's uh uh uh republican out of oklahoma
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And he's saying, yeah, people who come into the country illegally should get due process is what he's saying. I'm sorry, what? And he was talking with CNN on that. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the top of the second hour. Yeah, he says there's a different process. But yeah, we got to have an opportunity to make an argument. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You lose that the moment you break the law by entering illegally. Let's talk about the due process of American citizens who are robbed of due process by having this injustice perpetrated upon us to the tune of billions of dollars a year. Let's talk about that absence of due process for all of these people who fetishize illegal immigration and constantly want to kiss the ass of people who break into the country illegally. That's the due process is entering the country illegally. When you forfeit that, you forfeit any claim because you're not a citizen. You have or you have no legal standing here. This kind of accommodation is for people who have legal standing. When you break into the country illegally, when you break and enter, you forfeit that. And then the due process of the people who are here legally must be respected. And I need these lawmakers to get this stuff straight. They sit here and they bend over servicing the people who can't vote for them legally at the expense of the people who can. I was very disappointed to hear this answer from Lankford. Incredibly disappointed. And there is a reason why we have this system and we have law and order. And you are equal before the law and you are equal underneath it when you violate it. And when you enter illegally, you are not part of that legal framework. The end. I'm so tired of everyone thinking that you can sacrifice the due process of law abiding Americans to accommodate this criminality. And it's disgusting to see a Republican from Oklahoma, no less, give lip service to this trite nonsense. Now, I have in my digital hands a letter that. pull this up, is apparently now we've got a commitment to framework and reconciliation. A number of lawmakers have sent a short letter to Speaker Johnson and Leader Scalise about a reconciliation bill that goes after certain objectives while extending the president's tax cuts to Growing the economy, securing borders, continuing unleashing domestic energy production, and emphasizing peace through strength. Although I will say I wish it was made permanent. I'd love to see that made permanent. But this is a good step. Now they list in this, and I'll tell you who these lawmakers are here in a moment. There's only a handful of them. The minimum criteria for their support. They said the reconciliation bill must not add to the deficit. Now this letter is not yet public. You're hearing about it first here. Under the House's framework, they write, the reconciliation bill must not add to the deficit. The House budget resolution assumes that enacting the president's agenda, extending those 2017 tax cuts, will generate about $2.5 trillion in additional revenue through economic growth. Now, I know it's not abolishing the IRS, but when you talk to me about tax cuts, dude. My dudes, what? That's how we become friends, just like this. See how easy it is, Cain, to be friends with us? We are but simple creatures. They said that it has to include, now this is a kicker, they write, this means that the reconciliation bill must include at least $2 trillion in savings, either through spending reductions or Or scaling back the size of the tax package if savings fall short. What they're saying is, look, we got to get these people tax cuts. No one's going to agree to give them tax cuts if you don't stop spending because they're going to try to misrepresent that as a cost. And they get the deficit reduction and other committees and the maximum ways and means instruction. They said, bottom line, a $2 trillion reduction in spending may sound substantial. However, it only equals 2.3% of projected federal outlays over the next decade and only reduces the rate of growth in spending. Even with these savings, annual spending is expected to grow from $7 trillion to $10 trillion over the next 10 years. And debt will exceed $50 trillion by 2035. They said the House reconciliation instructions are binding. They set a floor for savings, not a ceiling. And we must hold the line on fiscal discipline to put the country back on a sustainable path. This is good. It's signed by Lloyd Smucker. All these are representatives. Andy Biggs, Lauren Boebert, Josh Breachan, Tim Burchett. Eric Burleson, Michael Cloud, Andrew Clyde, Elijah Crane, Brandon Gill, Paul Gosar, Andy Harris, Mark Harris, Diana Harshberger, Clay Higgins, Morgan Luttrell, Rich McCormick, Mary Miller, Ralph Norman, Jay Obernolte, Andy Ogles, Robert Onder, Scott Perry, Chip Roy, David Schweikert, Keith Self, Victoria Spartz, Greg Stubbe, Marlon Stutzman, Tom Tiffany, Beth Van Dyne and Ryan Zink. Now, these are all pretty fiscally conservative lawmakers. And we I mean, Sparks also, if she didn't like it, she would spit sooner spit on it than sign it. And I think to get her to get bigs to sign on it as well. I think some of these others, I think that's pretty significant. Van Dyne, McCormick. So these are all and Chip Roy. These are all pretty fiscally conservative lawmakers. And this is a really good first step. So what you're getting insight into is some of these lawmakers. They're they're brawling with some of their other fellow Republicans in Congress because some of them don't want to don't want to pass any meaningful cuts. And then to that point, they're not going to pass any meaningful tax reform. They're not going to give you any kind of tax relief. What they're calling for is, look, you've got to reduce this if you want to help out taxpayers, because we don't have enough money in the pot to keep spending the way y'all are spending. They're spending like a bunch of drunk sorority girls getting ready to go rush at Alabama. Come on. No offense, ladies, but come on. You can't be spending like this. You got to cut it back. You got to roll it back. So I'm happy to see this and we'll see how we're going to see how this kind of rolls out. But this is this is so far pretty significant. They're talking about, look, this is the reduction that we're going to need in order to accommodate this for the tax cuts. Now, of course, because this is we're all going to have to fight over this bill again. That's why it's an extension and on a permanent cut, because that's the framework of this reconciliation bill. That's going to have to be a separate fight. And that's, you know, again, I don't know if that's something that we're going to actually be able to do, unfortunately. I mean, right now, I already see some of the moderate Republicans making excuses. So they said that this they said the spending level, any additional tax cuts or increases in spending has to be offset. That is a reality. I hate when people say that tax cuts cost. And this is how Democrats finagle it to to pull the wool over everybody's eyes for that talking point. Tax cuts. This is your money that the government extorts from you under threat of injury. They they steal your money and then they spend it on a bunch of stuff that is actually not under Article one, Section eight, the enumerated powers. It everything that that the government can do that then is relegated to the states that if it can't. And so the argument always from Democrats is, well, tax cuts cost. If we give you more of your money back, that costs us. They act like that's an expense on their behalf. That's your money. That's an expense on your behalf, not theirs. The expense that they accrue is when they don't stop spending. That's the big issue. The major issue. So I'm very happy to see this. It's a small number of lawmakers, but they're all very fiscally minded. So this is a very good thing. Now we're going to wait and see what happens because they're going on break. When do they leave? Tomorrow is when break starts, right? They got four days. Why are you shaking your head like that? Tell us.
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What do they need the time off for? We have a lot of work to do here. What is this extra day for? I don't get it. I don't get why they have to take off. and get a four-day weekend here when we have a lot of important work right here on the cusp of everything.
SPEAKER 13 :
The issue is whether or not they can get some of these other... It's not so much Democrats. If Republicans could keep their caucus together, they could make this happen.
SPEAKER 12 :
So are they doing, like, vote-whipping, or what are they doing at this moment?
SPEAKER 13 :
Probably, I would imagine. But this is in committee, though. So this is... So we'll see if this... They've got to get it out onto the floor, but they're... I mean, I'm... It's a great step in the right direction. And this would be a major, major talking point for POTUS if they can give it to him. Can you imagine Trump going out there and saying, look, we've come to an agreement now. Yes. Sidebar. Is this bill what I wanted? No. But I get it. It's incremental step by step by step, even if it's like a little baby step. But still, you got to have the optics of a win. If you have POTUS go out there and say, look, we got an agreement about the reconciliation. We're going to reduce spending by X amount. And that means we're going to be able to extend these tax cuts for you because we know you're hurting right now. You're going to get people that are going to say, oh, OK, we got relief with taxes. We'll be able to hold on for a little bit more with the tariff. Issue. We'll be able to hold on a little bit more. What are Democrats going to say? What is the argument that they would have in the media to fight to fight this and try to spin this as something bad? This is a net positive for the voter. If Republicans in the House can give this to POTUS. I mean, hell, he can walk out there and say, look, we got we got some great savings for the American people. We're extending these tax cuts. That's going to help them. It's going to help sustain them as we finalize all these trade deals. And we start winding down our strategy if we maybe potentially wind down our strategy of enacting tariffs so that we can equalize the playing field. And this is going to be a shot in the arm to Americans who have suffered under from from everybody else's bad trade deals and under the last administration. We're here to help. This is a this would be a huge talking point for him. I hope someone in the administration is telling him this and saying, Mr. President, you have this group of lawmakers that are about ready to give you a major talking point. He could go out and say, Happy Mother's Day. Oh, my gosh, dude. I almost gave myself chills over that. Can you imagine? I hope that people can put their petty partisan bitching over the last primary aside and someone can get in his ear and be like, POTUS, this is a major talking point. We got to get this done. Can you imagine him going out like I have in my hand this letter, framework for reconciliation. We need to get this done, Republicans. You need to follow the example of these lawmakers and get this done for our voters. It's like, you know, I would do it, but I can't. They'd call me a tyrant. So you got to do your jobs. I mean, good night. Just push him out there to say it. Someone, please. Because this would be good. This would be a great first step. And then you know what? How the market's going to react to that. Consumers have a little bit more discretionary spending. You know how many people were doing the pay later stuff? A quarter? A quarter of Americans doing the pay later for things like groceries and all of that compared to 14 percent last year. You know what a boon this would be for them. Come on. Come on. We have a lot to hit today and you don't want to miss any of it. And I think we have Senator Rand Paul on later. Is he on with us today? No, not today. Later this week, because he's been admired in voting. So but we do have Matthew Marsden on later as we move our partners that will bring you the program. It's our friends over at All Family Pharmacy. Oh, my gosh. I love these people. So much. If you have not ordered from them or if you have not signed up to order from them, you definitely need to remedy this. Here's why. 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So the Kentucky Derby winner Sovereignty is going to miss the Preakness Stakes, thwarting any potential Triple Crown bid. And that takes place in Baltimore on May 17th. Not going to run. Sovereignty is not going to run. That's like a weird, that's a weird move, right? I mean, to not run and have the chance for Triple Crown. They said that they were going to decide if the horse was going to be fit enough to race in Preakness. They're going to leave that up to the trainer. They said that the trainer's in the Hall of Fame for a good reason. And they said that when you have a pace like Sovereignty had, you've got to lay off the body on the line a little bit, and they're going to see how he was doing. Sounds like it may be an issue with fitness, like they're protecting that horse a little bit, which is smart. You know, it's just not, you know, sometimes the best decisions aren't necessarily the most comfortable ones. Near-death experiences radically change how people view their careers in today's stupid, idiotic headlines. Duh. I would think it would probably extend beyond how people view their careers, right? Tesla sales are plummeting across Europe, even as the new Model Y ramps up. It seems like these attacks on Tesla are working. This is making me want to get a Tesla just so I can hide in my car. And if anybody tries to key it, come out with a bully club and whoop them on the sidewalk. I'm not saying I would do that. I'm not saying I wouldn't either. But they said that the sales are sliding across Europe because everybody's a poser. So lame. And the Fetterman attacks are also working. We told you about this headline yesterday. Fetterman did respond to it, saying that I'm perfectly fine and my doctor says I'm fine, but the left isn't going to lay off. You know that. uh that see we also have i got one more i got one more uh the uh white house says no final decisions have been made on movie tariffs they're still exploring all options and the photographer behind that iconic trump image when they were trying to kill him uh remember it finally he won a prize for it finally because he deserved to best photo of the year stick with us i'm always i always carry and i have no problem using lethal force but You know, I have friends that don't live in Texas. One of my really good friends lives in Washington, DC. And by the nature of their work, they're, you know, they're a big kid, they got to go places where they have to for their work, they can't always say no. But it's like doesn't matter if you have a license to carry their gun free zones abound because of private property and municipal restrictions. My friend went out and got the Berna SD. Now they want the Berna CL. That's the new one that they have. It arrived just in time for Mother's Day too. It is the smallest and most powerful compact launcher that they have. It's only, I mean, it's like smaller. It's like this actually same size as my 43X. It's like almost maybe seven inches long, super slim. And if you're unfamiliar with the Burna gun, it shoots chemical irritant projectiles that can disable threats from up to 60 feet away. They have the SD, and they have different models, but I think for the purpose of this, for self-defense, when you can't carry, I think the CL and the SD make the most sense, and the CL... It, I mean, same as the others, can disable threats with these chemical irritant projectiles up to 50 feet away. And it doesn't care about gun-free zone signs. Or there's no background checks. There's no waiting period. They can send it right to your door. So it's accessible for everybody. Do not allow yourself to be rendered defenseless. I mean, if you can't carry, you need to always, it's good to have a diversified weapons array. You carry knives, right? I mean, you have different caliber of firearm. You have rifles and pistols. This makes sense as well. This is the new CL, the compact launcher from Burna. Visit Burna.com slash Dana. Check out the new Burna CL. B-Y-R-N-A. It's a cutie little thing, but it doesn't have a, doesn't shoot cutie little things. Burna.com slash Dana. Order by May 11th for your, you get some free projectiles with your purchase. Burna.com slash Dana.
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Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the bottom of this second hour and you can listen across the country. The stream on channel 347. I always get that wrong. Channel 347, DirecTV, X, Rumble, all that good stuff. So if you're just joining us, we've been talking about a lot of stuff, but particularly what's going to happen next. In Congress, you know, Trump keeps wanting his big, beautiful bill. We have some Republicans that don't want to cut spending. Some Republicans who do. I can't even imagine being in D.C. right now, especially if your colleagues are some of those who don't want to stop spending. So we have this amazing, big, beautiful letter. It's a commitment to House framework and reconciliation. We were just talking about this because there are some members of Congress who can do math and like to save taxpayer money. And they're warning everyone, look, we have to have serious and substantial cuts. We have to have these. And this is what we need. And hopefully we can make this happen. Joining me now is one of the signees to this letter, Representative Beth Van Dyne, congresswoman out of the Republic of Texas. It's good to see you, congresswoman. Thanks so much for joining us. So this I mean, this bill, what you're talking about with this, this reconciliation framework, reduction in spending, commitment to extending the tax cuts, which I think we absolutely have to have right now with this ongoing tariff war. And I mean, I love that there's so many names on it, but I'm also sad that apparently there are only that amount of lawmakers in the House that want to save taxpayer money. Tell me about the strategy on this.
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Oh, look, what we continuously do since I've been up here is we have these negotiations, we have these negotiations, we try to compromise, and then we wait until the very last minute, it falls apart, and we end up voting for basically a Democrat bill. And I think what the 32 members who signed on to this letter are saying is we're letting you know in advance, this is something that we have been championing for the last year that we've been talking about this reconciliation, this tax bill. We have got to cut spending. We look at $7 trillion that we're spending per year, $5 trillion that we're collecting in revenue, it does not balance. And we're not just continuing to add to the $37 trillion debt, we're growing it. And so even if we can get to a bill that is deficit neutral, you're still not attacking the debt. And then we have got to start taking that seriously. I got elected in 2020 during COVID when they added trillions and trillions of dollars that we were not making, that we were not generating to our debt. And we're not going back to those pre-COVID levels of spending. This package, this reconciliation package, the extension of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, pretty much 100 percent of that focus is focused on economic growth, making sure that we are not having mom and pop small businesses shut down because they're facing some of the largest tax increases in our nation's history. making sure that 90 percent of working Americans that pay taxes aren't going to see their taxes increase, the largest increase that they've ever had in their history as well. We have got to get this tax bill passed. But at the same time, we can't ignore that we are spending so much more that we're making and putting on this debt to future generations.
SPEAKER 13 :
You note in here a two trillion reduction in spending may sound substantial, but then you put you put the context with it. However, it equals only 2.3% of projected federal outlays. I'm trying to do this math. This is insane. And that's just over the next decade. And it only reduces the rate of growth in spending. That's how out of control this is. I mean, that really puts it in stark terms.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, when you start thinking about how much we spend, we talk about the debt. What does the debt mean? It means that we're actually having to pay to service the debt every year. We are almost at a trillion dollars on our debt service, which is more than we pay for Medicare or on all of our defense put together. Those are significant dollars that we are spending. Basically, if you have a credit card, how much you're paying in interest. We're not getting a program for that. We're not getting a service. This is not going to anything other than simply our debt service. Right. We have got to get control over it. And we saw it spike during COVID. We're not in a pandemic anymore. We are seeing the economy grow. We are seeing our markets grow. That needs to mean something. And we need to stop spending like, and I don't want to offend, you know, Navy men, but drunken sailors.
SPEAKER 13 :
Drunken sailors. I don't think they're going to be offended. I don't think they'll be offended. We're talking with Congresswoman Beth Van Dyne out of Texas and this framework for reconciliation. I know that there's a mini break for Congress coming up. Is this something that you all are tackling today or is this where the big fights next week?
SPEAKER 23 :
Look, I've been in meetings. I'm on the Ways and Means Committee and we're coming up with this tax bill. We have been in hours and hours and hours, days long meetings. And we just had one today. We're going to have another one tomorrow. We have got to get this tax bill packaged. this this this this tax bill done in in a draft put out we need it sooner rather than later to give some kind of security to our businesses while you mentioned earlier you know they're going through kind of the the shuck and jives of what we're looking at with tariffs right now they need some kind of stability and having a very strong tax bill is one way in which we can aid them um but At the same time, we want economic growth. We've got to be able to do what we can to prevent that from eroding, which is what we are up against. At the end of this year, you're going to see the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act provisions expire. That includes things like research and development, expensing, the 199A pass-through, which for small businesses means that they're at the corporate rate, which is 21%. If we allow that to expire, it jacks up to almost 40%. so you're talking about you know you know these mom and pop these these small businesses these job creators in all of our communities many of them have come and talked to us and said that they will be driven out of business if this is allowed to happen so it's within our ability to not let that happen we've got a framework but we also have to stop fighting amongst ourselves and when there are areas that we can cut that makes sense, such as in Medicaid, when we can make sure that people who are here illegally are not getting those Medicaid dollars that we need for other members of our population, which means when we've got people on there who are able-bodied, able-aged, who could be working instead of living on Medicaid benefits, we have to get them back into the workforce. Those are things that I would hope not only can Republicans and Democrats both get behind, but that the entire Republican conference has to get behind.
SPEAKER 13 :
You would think so. And I would assume that, you know, when you talk about the two trillion in cuts or two trillion in reduction in spending, is this going to does this include any of the Doge stuff? Because I know so far those have only been recommendations to Congress.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, right now, a lot of it, a lot of the doge cuts, a lot of the doge savings are stuck in courts right now. And so that's going to be a while until we find out whether those dollars can actually be put into an equation. The same thing with tariffs. A lot of people want us to use the tariff revenue as a payoff. but the pay-fors have to be legitimate numbers. And the tariffs right now, it's so dynamic, whether or not it's 125%, is it 20%, is it 50%? Are we gonna give a 60-day, 90-day pre-leave while we negotiate? We don't know what those numbers are yet. So we're trying to be as conservative as possible, but also as realistic as possible. So we're taking the numbers that we know. And I'll give you a perfect example. I'm going to call it the Inflation Act. I know that the Democrats call it the Inflation Reduction Act, but we all know what happened to it. But the numbers that were in the IRA, which is basically a green new scam bill, Had all sorts of tax deductions where you had the government putting its thumb on the pressure, on the pulse of what was happening and on the scale of what was happening in the energy sector and just favoring a ton of green new energy programs that got us nowhere but were extraordinarily expensive. All Republicans voted against that bill. But we've got some of us now who are fighting to get this provision or that provision. That is a huge pay for if we could get all of us on board saying it was a terrible bill at the time, which is why we all voted against it. And we can't sit here and pick and choose. Well, this might be good for this business that's in my district. We all have to understand at the end of the day, when our spending is such that it is, Everybody is going to have to put a pound of flesh on the table because we cannot sustain it. And the government has grown at such a rate that it's quite honestly, we are outspending our ability to ever be able to pay it off. And it's putting us in really dangerous territory.
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Well, and to that point as well, apparently. So there's I know some some of your more moderate colleagues that are apparently jousting back and forth over funding for just as an example, Planned Parenthood and the reconciliation package. There's a couple of them, apparently. I think it's Brian Fitzpatrick, Mike Lawler and Jen Kiggins that are some of the ones who made it clear to leadership that and this comes from a couple of different sources that they they made it clear that they oppose a measure to cut federal funding to Planned Parenthood and the reconciliation bill. I mean, they they've been getting a half a billion dollars annually for I can't even remember how long. I mean, that's not sustainable. I mean, are you are you privy to that fight?
SPEAKER 23 :
I am not privy to that fight. I know where I stand in that fight. And the fact that, you know, 95 percent or more of the services that Planned Parenthood provides is abortion and that they spend over 500 million dollars a year on marketing. And who are they are supporting are Democrats. I don't know why our Republican colleagues would want to defend that kind of an animal. But it has long been a fight of ours. We're a pro-life party. There's a pro-life for a reason. And what we're trying to do with this tax bill is make sure that we are supporting working American families. Now, whether or not it's through a child tax credit, whether or not it's looking at ways of being able to grow the economy, giving really good, nice, high-paying jobs, supporting those institutions that support families – That's what we're trying to do with the tax package. So I am going to stay away from support of Planned Parenthood because I think it's a technical organization. I think there's a lot of birthing centers that if we're really interested in providing for a healthy place for moms to go, we have those within all of our communities that we can give to. I know Texas does a great job of being able to help supply them with the resources that they need to be able to grow and to service that population. There's a lot better places in Planned Parenthood.
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Democrat campaigns either. Last question before we're talking with Congresswoman Beth Van Dyne from the Republic of Texas. Is this something that POTUS would support? Because I keep thinking he needs a bigger victorious talking point other than, well, we have some trade deals coming. Because I think people have been waiting this out, waiting to see what happens, but they need something. They need something because tariff, no matter how people want to slice it, it is double taxation. And to be able to give voters a shot in the arm like this, I would think that the White House would want to be able to come out. I would love it if they said, oh, happy Mother's Day. We're extending the tax cuts. We're going to be reducing spending. We're cutting tutorial. I mean, that would be amazing to have that. Is that something that you think the administration would support? I know that there's still kind of. forming what they want and kind of weighing out some of the things that they would like to see in it. But I would love to hear from the White House on that. Do you think that this was something that they would embrace?
SPEAKER 23 :
he definitely look this president has definitely said what he wants to do with a tax bill he's he has not been shy at all whether or not it's two reconciliation bills or one he wants one big beautiful bill to make sure that we can get it over the finish line we're looking at not mother's day mother's day would be great uh we're looking at a memorial uh memorial day as our deadline to get this out out of the House and hopefully under the president's desk by July 4th. Those are the dates that we're working with. So we've got a lot to do between now and then. But again, it has to be a bill that the majority, we can only afford to lose three votes. So you brought up three members who are fighting on Planned Parenthood. We've got another group that's fighting to keep the salt or to lift the salt cap from places like New York and California because they are getting, you know, their constituents are getting overtaxed by their local and state agencies. But Texas shouldn't have to pay to make up for these really bad decisions made by Democrats that are elected in blue states. But the salt cap deduction is one that we're a fight that we're having. The fight over the Green New Scam tax cuts. Those are decisions that we're having to make right now to put into this bill, making sure that we're being fiscally responsible, fiscally conservative, and being able to move forward. But the White House has been very clear they want to have a tax bill and they want to have it sooner rather than later, which means Memorial Day. Now, can we get everybody on board when you only have three members? I don't know. That will be left to have. I'm on the whip team. I'm also on the deputy whip team. We're going to have a lot of conversations one-on-one with members who are pretending to be holdouts right now. But the 32 members that signed on to this letter have been very consistent. They have had conversations with the White House. They've had conversations with the president. with Vice President Vance, with our leadership. I just want to make sure that we are very clear. I think that's the purpose of this letter. This is what our expectation is. We want to be team players. We are 100% on board with what this president administration want to achieve, but we have to do it in a fiscally conservative manner.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, exactly. And we need to get these other people on board. So it seems like there may need to be a pressure campaign against these other three lawmakers. If they don't want to go willingly, then maybe the voters need to drag them. Congresswoman Beth Van Dyne, appreciate your consistency, your transparency with everything in your fight for voters in Texas and everywhere else. Thank you so much. Good to see you. We'll talk soon. Thank you. We have more to come, folks, as we wrap up the second hour. Our partners that help bring you the program, our friends over at Super Beats. You guys are familiar with the Super Beats, folks, the Super Beats hard shoes. Well, now they have the Super Boreen, and it's available at the Sam's Club. And your metabolism affects everything. You can support it with Super Boreen. It's $5 off at Sam's Club through April 29th. It's just $24. It's plant-based, doctor-formulated. It has a unique form of berberine and Italian olive fruit extracts. You get additional antioxidant and cardiovascular support. It's a unique berberine. They clinically studied it, and it delivers nearly 10 times higher absorption than standard berberine. So that means you only have to take one capsule a day. It's highly concentrated, easy to swallow. And if you're worried about GI distress, it includes grapeseed extract for greater tolerability. Visit Sam's Club to restock your heart health support with Super Beats Heart Chews and expand your routine with the new Super Barine for healthy metabolism and blood sugar support. And don't forget, Super Barine is $5 off at Sam's Club through April 29th. Snag this offer at Sam's Club while it lasts. Start today and get on the road to better cardiovascular health support.
SPEAKER 08 :
Could Luigi Mangione's killing of the UnitedHealthcare CEO lead to anarchy in America? Pastor Alan Jackson says yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
But he shot this insurance executive. And, I mean, there's this whole host of people trying to justify it because their insurance got canceled. Therefore, it's okay to go assassinate some insurance worker. That is teetering on anarchy.
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SPEAKER 12 :
It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
SPEAKER 13 :
Florida Man with a cardboard license tag. That'll fool him. Was arrested after two pipe bombs and drugs were discovered in his vehicle. You know, I thought this was America. No, no, you can't do that. He was pulled over while driving a car. He had a cardboard license plate with the word private on it. A piece of cardboard with the word private scrawled onto it, affixed to his license. Yeah, it doesn't really work that way. His name is Ben Roach. He was taken to the Walton County Jail, charged with making a bomb, possessing explosives, possessions of controlled substances, tampering with evidence. Oh, my gosh. A ton of charges. There's just a lot. He's got a lot. But, yeah, they said that they immediately noticed the cardboard plate. And then they said that he had no identification, but he had a birth certificate that identified him as Benjamin Roach, 37. And then they found meth, all kinds of meth, probably going to distribute it. And then they found, they took pictures of it, basically cylindrical objects with caps, PVC with caps on each end wrapped with black electrical tape. Yeah, and he said, oh, they got gunpowder in them. And they go, well, do they have a fuse? And then, yes, they did. So, yeah, they had ATF. They had to go BAFT. They had to show up. They had to disarm them. And they have no idea why he had this stuff.
SPEAKER 12 :
That fake paper tag was the least of his worries.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, the paper cardboard license plate. Yeah, it was probably. Yeah, that's probably the least of his concerns with all of this, I would say. Oh, I don't. This sounds like a bad news. Bad news. Disney World's announcing a rare adults only experience at the park. It's called Blankton Kids. And that's not. The experience will offer guests lavish drinks and bites in the new lounge at Epcot. It sounds like hell. Because it's going to be sugary and overpriced. Everything's going to have way too much syrup in it. It's not going to be an actual, like, properly mixed cocktail.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think they were talking about, like, an entrance fee or something.
SPEAKER 13 :
This sounds... Oh, the elevated... I hate the word elevated for anything. Stop saying it. The elevated experience is only $179. It includes theme park admission. I would rather chew off my own foot than to do something like, to have an elevated experience. Steve, add that to the list. Yeah, than to go to a theme park. I don't like, I like theme parks. But I don't. I just want to go and ride roller coasters and then not do anything and not experience anything elevated. Stick with us. Third hour next. We have a lot to hit today and you don't want to miss any of it. And I think we have Senator Rand Paul on later. Is he on with us today? No, not today. Later this week because he's been admired in voting. So but we do have Matthew Marsden on later as we move our partners that will bring you the program. It's our friends over at All Family Pharmacy. Oh, my gosh. I love these people so much. If you have not. ordered from them or if you have not signed up to order from them, you definitely need to remedy this. Here's why. All of the medications that you need, including the ones that the government tried to keep from you, like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which are great therapeutics, by the way. And when I caught the Rona naturally, they were incredibly helpful for me. But they have all of those. They also have your daily medications. You can get them fast. You go online, you order. It's so easy. You can get it in like two to four days or you can get it overnight in a pinch if it's like a serious situation and you need some medicine. Like for me, for instance, when I was hosting for Thanksgiving, I started getting strep throat. I've had it a million times. I know exactly what it is. And I'm like, oh my gosh, what am I going to do? So I overnighted antibiotics to myself from All Family Pharmacy and started my regimen. And literally by noon the next day, I was fine. I was able to do what I need to do because I had a ton of family coming to my house. They saved Thanksgiving for me. I really have relied on All Family Pharmacy and I cannot recommend them enough. Also, everything is made in the USA. Okay. All precursors, everything. You're not getting anything from India or China, so you can worry. You don't have to worry about any of it. High standards of quality and safety. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and get 10% off using promo code Dana10. Always be prepared. Protect yourself. Allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Coupon code Dana10 gets you 10% off. If you're navigating restrictive gun laws, the Burna Gun is a great addition to diversifying your self-defense plan. It's like having another tool in your kit. You know, you carry knives. You carry different
SPEAKER 05 :
What did you make of those scenes in the Oval Office, President Trump and President Zelensky?
SPEAKER 07 :
I found it sort of beneath America, the way that took place. And the way we talk about now that, well, it's the Gulf of America. Maybe we're going to have to take back Panama. Maybe we need to acquire Greenland. Maybe Canada should be. What the hell's going on here? What president ever talks like that? That's not who we are. We're about freedom, democracy, opportunity, not about confiscation.
SPEAKER 13 :
We're about freedom to talk about whatever the hell we want to. And that is our gulf. Sorry, but it is. Actually, I'm not apologizing. Why is he still talking like he's still I will say no other president is doing what I mean, even Obama, who loved the spotlight, didn't go out and seek out to do these interviews the way Biden is right now. It's messed up. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the top of the third hour. I'll have a piece coming out here shortly on Substack chapter and verse the newsletter. If you're a subscriber, you get my prep in the morning and you get other other stuff, too. But you'll be able to read this letter for yourself to follow through their math and then see who signed on. And then I have included in that. The story of the lawmakers, we're talking about this framework for reconciliation. There's a small number of fiscally conservative lawmakers that are demanding $2 trillion in cuts and extension of the Trump 2017 tax cuts. And you have three people holding up negotiations. They can only lose spare three votes. They're holding up any kind of momentum because they don't want to stop defunding Planned Parenthood that receives a half a billion tax dollars every damn year. And then what do they do with your tax money? They rerouted into Democrat campaigns. So you're being extorted by your government under threat of death. And because they'll shoot and kill you to death. That's why they have all the guns, the IRS and thousands and thousands of hundreds of thousands around. Then remember, there were a House Oversight was sending in some letters about why does the IRS need all these guns and ammo? I mean, it's the IRS. But under threat of death, you have to keep paying taxes. The government, who then in turn takes your money and supports abortion on demand and really Democrat campaigns. So you're funding Democrat campaigns against your will. Tell me how that that's how. Tell me that that's taxation with representation because it isn't. We went to war for less. So there are three lawmakers who absolutely refuse to stop funding Mike Lawler, Brian Fitzpatrick and Jen Kiggins. And I'm going to have their contact information and X handles and all that fun stuff. So you can go and tell them to pound sand digitally, politely and call their offices and tell them they better get on board. Otherwise, I'll be happy to go to their districts and help raise money for anybody who wants to primary them. Yay. All right. I'll pay my own way. That's right. I asked for nothing. All right. So, uh, a few things, oh gosh, there's a lot actually to, to hit still, um, that we didn't get. Um, I don't know if you saw this, uh, uh, woke scold stuff. Uh, can you have protein? Do you eat protein?
SPEAKER 12 :
Uh, in the form of steak and eggs and chicken and stuff. Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. So apparently, um, uh, Protein is right wing. It's probably fascist.
SPEAKER 11 :
What?
SPEAKER 13 :
It's literally a piece at vanity fair that talks about how if you eat protein, then it's like apparently right wing. Here's the headline. Why are Americans so obsessed with protein? Blame MAGA. Who's the lady who wrote this? Let me look at this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Why wouldn't they blame survival or the survival mechanism?
SPEAKER 13 :
I don't know. Uh, This woman, her name is Kezia Weir. How much you want to bet that she's not fit herself? Oh, she's not. Yeah. Anyway, she's a kind of a she's a senior editor at Vanity Fair and kind of a mid, I guess. It's important for the discussion of protein. Shut up. anybody who's ever wanted to be healthy has always eaten protein, has always, I mean, you know that I've had protein drinks even before Trump was in the White House. They act like Trump invented protein and it's bad because Trump invented it. This is so stupid. This is a broad who, no, like a woman, not like overseas. This is a broad who clearly has not paid attention to anything in culture and thinks that history began the day that she became self-aware. She literally just now realized that people consume protein for health. And because she only just now realized it, she thinks that it's MAGA related. Oh my gosh, this is embarrassing. And it's in Vanity Fair. So she starts talking about how people hawk protein powder and she gets into protein foods and protein bars. You know, that's been a big thing for a while. Tell me that you sit on your fat backside all day without telling me that you sit on your fat backside all day. I just didn't even know that people were consuming protein. It's so weird.
SPEAKER 12 :
But they're saying people are obsessed. Usually they weren't obsessed with protein. That's like saying someone, oh, you're obsessed with drinking water every day. You're obsessed. It's like, no, I'm obsessed with survival.
SPEAKER 13 :
She literally tries to say, this is a sentence. Are you ready? I need everybody to just hold onto a table cause I'm going to hit you with a sentence. Are you ready? Oh boy. Here it goes. The intertwinement of masculinity and red meat is strong and deep seated. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's called the beginning of humanity to now.
SPEAKER 13 :
I know this is going to be shocking. Women also like red meat. I pretty much eat, um, just meat and vegetables. Pretty much it's all I eat. I don't really do a lot of carbs unless it's with pasta and then I'm really particular about my pasta. If it's not homemade, then it has to be Italian import because I don't do all the chemicals and all that stuff. I think a lot of the gluten sensitivity is actually chemical sensitivity from all the stupid junk they put in the stuff that we manufacture here. But the idea that wanting to eat red meat means you're more masculine Again, I'm just insulted that this chick is so culturally illiterate that she's been unaware of the existence of protein powders and consuming protein for health and having like a heavy meat diet that she thinks that that is like a MAGA thing. Like no one did protein until Trump was in the White House. Are you kidding me? I mean, I'm not exaggerating. She's literally arguing this. This is the actual story. This is what she's actually arguing. Oh, wait, there's more. Are you ready? Check this sentence out. that men who have what they describe as a strong meat-eating identity also tend to perceive themselves as more masculine. An obsession with a protein affords a masculine-coated cover on the feminine-coated world of body image and dieting, a subject over which men can bond as bros. You kidding me with this? And then she talks about, because not only everybody, anybody ever talks about Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan's done this for forever, by the way. And I... I'm just shocked. Like she has apparently literally never paid attention to any of these people before until just now. I find that incredibly sexist. Not only is she embarrassingly uneducated and unaware, like I said, culturally illiterate, these people who think I just not realize this. So no, it must not have existed until I realized it. Uh, I find it sexist because it ignores the fact that women have amazing health advantages from whole foods diets, healthy diets where you're getting your protein, you're getting your roughage, all of that, like healthy eating. It's just not even dieting. It's called healthy eating. And I hate the word dieting. I don't diet. I just eat healthy. I eat what I want. But I have trained myself. I eat in between certain hours. So I basically do intermittent fasting all the, every day. I eat during certain hours. I eat stuff that's going to fuel me because I have to go, go, go. And I have a very, I'm a very, even though I'm a situational extrovert, I'm a very wound up person. Like I'm all the time, like in a good way, but I have to feel that I have to have energy. And I that's that's not dieting. That's healthy eating. It's not feminine coded. And the idea here's the other absolutely insane thing that she's promoting here is that somehow if a man wants to eat healthy, then he is doing so he only talks about protein and eating red meat to as a veneer because he doesn't want it to look feminine that he's eating. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Have you read this piece? Have you perused it, Cain?
SPEAKER 12 :
I have. because it was... Actually, I thought it was a comedy piece.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, she has like no muscle tone. So I'm not surprised that she's unfamiliar with any of this stuff.
SPEAKER 12 :
I thought it was comedy parody.
SPEAKER 13 :
I went and looked at pictures of her. What?
SPEAKER 12 :
I thought it was comedy parody. I thought she was just... I literally did too. Yeah. That's how I thought it was at first. And then when you get about halfway through, you're like, oh, geez, she's serious.
SPEAKER 13 :
This is how pathetic the left is. They will literally kill themselves with bad cholesterol and greasy foods because... Eating healthy is Trumpian. No, we're not going to eat healthy. We're going to smoke crack. That's basically what they're saying.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, the article would have actually made more sense if instead of she said MAGA, she would have said MAHA. If she said MAHA, then I would be like, OK, I guess make America healthy again. You're against that. But it's like you're trying to attribute this to a political movement. This is so ridiculous.
SPEAKER 13 :
I've always eaten healthy. I don't work out as much as I did, but there for a while I was, we were, and you know this, we were in the gym six days a week. I'm not, sometimes seven, six days a week. And I did kickboxing three days a week. Oh, we were like hardcore. It got to the point where I didn't want to look like Madonna. And I was like, I started getting a little bit too muscly. And I didn't like that for me. It's totally, I mean, it's totally fine if other, you know, but I'm like, I wanted to maintain a certain level. I wanted to maintain a certain fat percentage. And I have a crazy high metabolism, crazy high metabolism. And I could look like, you know, real, what am I thinking, a vascular real quick. And I didn't want to do that. So I got to be very careful about that. So I started pulling back. But she acts like if you're going to the gym and working out, like even moderately, that that's like a MAGA thing. If you're eating protein, that's a MAGA thing. If you're talking about protein drinks, that's a MAGA. Maybe stop being a bigot. And again, I went and looked at pictures. She has no muscle tone. She doesn't follow the stuff. She doesn't follow healthy eating and working out. This is not her beat. She's just a political bigot. And she wants to cast dispersions on the character by using this uneducated stereotype. As a way to do so. Can you imagine like you can, if you're just a moron about everything, you can fabricate yourself a little straw man for whatever issue you'd like. Good heavens. Yeah. I just, and it's, and it's a gender thing and a MAGA thing. This woman would fall over. I mean, I eat, I eat protein. I have protein. I don't, I have protein drinks. I have protein powders. I do all that stuff. Like it's just about being healthy. I want to just be healthy and have energy. That's what it's about, you know, and have muscle tone. That's that's my whole thing. I want strength and I want muscle tone. That's it. So she just that's just so stupid of all the things to politicize. Why would you politicize health? That's how the left is. They're like, oh, we want to be healthy and all have strokes and heart attacks because not doing that is MAGA. They will literally kill themselves to not have common ground on anything. These people are nuts. I do have red state rhinos coming up. Wait until you hear this audio. I got that coming up at the bottom of this hour after our headline. So we're going to have that as well. You don't want to miss as we move. Oh, wait. No, we also have Matthew Marsden. So we're going to balance it out because I got some big stuff for you on that. GoldCo is making it easy to take that first step toward protecting your savings. Just fill out a quick form, no commitment, just free information. And then they'll ship you your free 2025 gold and silver kits straight to your door. No shipping fees, no strings. just a free info kit to help you understand how gold and silver can fit into your financial plan. I'm a big believer in doing your research, and this kit is a great place to start. So I'm really excited to be partnering with Gold Co. because not only do they support my show, which I truly appreciate, but they've made the whole process of buying precious metals Super straightforward. Because if you're a fan of the show, Gold Co. is also going to tell you how to qualify for unlimited free bonus silver on eligible orders. If you qualify, you can even get a free half ounce silver Ronald Reagan coin. Totally free. Don't wait. Take that first step towards protecting and diversifying your savings with Gold Co. Visit danalikesgold.com to learn more. That's danalikesgold.com.
SPEAKER 12 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 13 :
So, apparently, man, a second grader ordered over 70,000 suckers. Accidentally, apparently. That's the headline, that they ordered over 70,000 suckers. That's doing a lot. You said that that's doing a lot of work.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, the word accidentally.
SPEAKER 13 :
The mom said that Amazon called and they are refunding the money. And yeah, he ordered 70,000 suckers. dumb, dumb suckers. Lexington, Kentucky. And he was playing on her phone this weekend. She tried to stop the order before it came to her house, but it was too late. Her son said, my suckers are here. Now he has some developmental delays. So she said his condition affects his decision making. So he wanted to run a carnival. And so The cases had 2,340 suckers inside and they retail for $130 each on Amazon. Eight of the 30 cases were unaccounted for. Oh my gosh. Look at your face. Yes, Cain.
SPEAKER 12 :
I'll just say that I don't think it was a disability or anything that led to this. I think the kid wanted a bunch of suckers. I think that's what it is.
SPEAKER 13 :
He just wanted a Pepsi, man. You know, the kid just wanted a... All he wanted was a Pepsi. That's all he wanted. Let me pull up the other one, but Safari is the worst browser that's ever been created, and the people need to be jailed. Who created it? Let's see here. I'm waiting for this to load. Okay. Okay. So, in addition, I can't even, I mean, you can make a Ford out of those. Burger King is facing a lawsuit over Whopper ads because they're apparently the size of the burger. And a Roman horse cemetery dating back 1,800 years was discovered, just recently discovered. Coming up, our friend Matthew Marsden on the Conclave. I've seen the amazing changes Relief Factor has made for so many people, and I've seen it firsthand through my husband Chris's pain relief from using Relief Factor. Right now, it's easy to give their product a try because Relief Factor makes it pain-free with their three-week quick start for just $19.95. Get rid of pain and start living better. Relief Factor is a 100% drug-free daily supplement that helps your body fight pain naturally. Developed by doctors, it works by supporting your body's response to inflammation. It doesn't just mask pain for a short time. That's 1-800-4-RELIEF. With their pain-free trial, you can get a three-week quick start for only $19.95. Call 1-800-4-RELIEF or visit relieffactor.com.
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SPEAKER 13 :
But... Uh, we are, we're, we're, they started, I, I don't think, um, what I'd heard from folks is that it's supposed to be like a, the first round of balloting isn't really supposed to, uh, You're not really supposed to see any results from that until like really like now or in the next hour. And that is if everything, you know, went pretty expeditiously. So I don't know. I mean, you got the black smoke if there is no Pope chosen, the white smoke if there is. a Pope chosen. And there are some that a lot of people are pulling forward that are a little bit more conservative. And then, you know, the, it will, so we'll see as we, as we roll through, I don't think that they would ever decide it like that fast though. I don't think that they would ever kick it off that, that quickly where the first round of voting, you're going to have somebody, but it's, you're there in the Sistine Chapel. I mean, the most beautiful place I can think of to work and have a meeting. I don't even know how people could be focused on having a meeting. with that. So we have a couple of other things to touch on as well. I wanted to play Audio Soundbite 18 because this is Congressman Steve Scalise. I don't know if you saw this, but the FBI apparently was classifying that 2017 attempted assassination of him as suicide by cop. Listen to this. And he was almost killed from this. Audio Soundbite 18.
SPEAKER 18 :
so if you go back to twenty seventeen after baseball shooting the fbi had brought in the members of the team roger williams was one of those members who was part of that briefing and at that meeting they went through some of the information some of it was classified some of it wasn't but they ultimately let us know what their conclusion was and that's when they said it was classified as suicide by cop And I'll tell you, I was offended. I think all of us there were highly offended that that was the conclusion that the FBI in 2017 came to because it wasn't.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's insane. And this is criticism of the FBI over the investigation into that attempted assassination. It's from a report from the House Intelligence Committee. And they incorporated these records that were released by Kash Patel, now the director of the FBI. And they accused the bureau, the quote is, acting with a complete disregard and lack of investigative integrity. Now, back in November of 2017, the FBI had briefed lawmakers who were present for who were there when this attempted assassination happened. And they determined that it was not a politically motivated act of terrorism. It was suicide by cop. Let's full stop. First of all, the guy, I'm not naming the guy, the 66-year-old, I don't think he's a nut job, he's just evil, this evil, almost murderer, the 66-year-old, he was killed by Capitol Police. They were having a congressional baseball game. Remember this, let's set the stage. You had members of Congress there, House Republicans. He was a volunteer with Bernie Sanders' campaign. He was super far left-wing, talked about left-wing stuff all the time online. He literally had a list with him. of grievances and lawmakers that he was targeting and they included health care. He was livid over health care. Now, remember what was happening at that time in 2017. There was a lot of discussion about potentially or not 2017 when it happened. There was a lot of discussion about the healthcare repealing Obamacare, all of this stuff. And the language that the left loved to use was what? It was always that, oh, Republicans are trying to kill people. They're going to kill people. They're going to rob them of their healthcare, et cetera, et cetera. And that was the tenor of the language at that time. And I mean... That's when people were saying you got to kind of watch your rhetoric a little bit. You have to watch your rhetoric some at least. But this I mean, the fact that this was the way that it was investigated and they said, oh, well, this was, you know, this was suicide by cop. This guy, like I said, had a list. He had a list of grievances. He was mad over health care. He was mad over a lot of the Republican decision making in Congress. And he brought he like made a big plan about it. He I mean, this was all very methodically thought out. And he drove his van. He stationed it outside the field for weeks, weeks. Remember that? And he pulled out two firearms, began shooting at the congressional Republicans. He almost he narrowly missed Trent Kelly, who was from Mississippi. He hit Scalise in the in the hip. He almost bled to death on the field. He had multiple surgeries. He was in the hospital for weeks before he was able to return to Congress. And a lot of lawmakers were injured because they were fleeing. There was a lobbyist that was practicing with the team. He was shot in the chest, and he was seriously wounded. Two Capitol Police officers were wounded as well. By the way, they were part of Steve Scalise's security detail because none of these people can carry there. They couldn't carry there. Steve Scalise had a security team because he has House seniority, so he's part of House leadership. If he had not had security detail there, there would have been a number of congressional lawmakers killed. Those armed... Security members did so much to buy some time for some of these other lawmakers. It's unbelievable. And the promotion of this as suicide by cop is insane. It was not suicide by cop. And to say that it didn't involve any kind of political ideology, well, that's a lie proven by the grievance letter that this attempted murderer brought to the field with him in his van. I guess people, you know, they didn't consider that. They're kind of like brushing that under the rug. He had tons of social media posts all about this. He didn't threaten specifically lawmakers, but, you know, then he had he didn't have to. But he had had cited health care. And this idea. I mean, he sent letters to the editor, different newspapers. He was like very he I mean, he was like your typical, honestly, your typical left wing lawmaker who is nuts and an opening fire on this on the on the at this congressional game. So say it was suicide by cop is excusing this. It's excusing it. And what's more, it like diminishes the severity of what happened. It diminishes the severity of it. And so, you know, I'm not the if I was pleased, I'd be pissed because they're downplaying the fact that this guy was almost assassinated for political reasons. And they're trying to excuse it and say, no, no, no, it wasn't political reasons. No, he just wanted to be killed by a cop. No, he didn't. He actually thought he was going to get away. I think that I think I don't want to say his name, but I think that this murderer was anticipating that he was going to be able to get away. And that's why Desvaney had all of this all meticulously planned out. Meticulously planned out. And yeah, he had lists of lawmakers' names on a list that he had in his pocket. He cited healthcare, cited a whole bunch of other things. But this is it seems like the press found a gunman that they liked. Imagine that they're making excuses for this guy because he was a left wing guy trying to kill Republican lawmakers. The left was not apoplectic over this at all. In fact, now they and their rogue bureaucrats that are embedded in these agencies are making excuses for it. They're making excuses for it. So this is, you know, it's it's insane. This is crazy. And I feel bad for Scalise because I just really don't feel like he got the support that he needed at this time. I mean, I don't. Um, I guess, I don't know what the hell is happening with the show right now. So we're like in the bottom of this hour. How much time we have left? We have like two minutes left in the second.
SPEAKER 12 :
We have like four minutes. Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. So do we, did, do we have his audio working? All right. We got Matthew Marsden on who's joining us. Uh, and, uh, first off, good to see you, my friend. Everybody knows Matthew Marsden. He was in all the different, he were in a million different films all around Hollywood. You were in Rambo. You were in everything. You were, you, you fought aliens, you fought baddies, you fought commies.
SPEAKER 06 :
Done it all. Done it all. Good to see you.
SPEAKER 13 :
So let me ask you about this because the conclave started. I can't even imagine having to do my job in the Sistine Chapel. First off, can we just establish this? I'd be so distracted. I would be the worst. You know, if I were a cardinal, I'd be the worst cardinal ever because I would be looking at all of the amazingness inside the Sistine Chapel. I mean, we've been to the Vatican. It's beautiful there. So my first question, I have like three questions I want to get right out. Has it ever happened that they've immediately gone in and they're like, oh, yes, we know who our pope is going to be. And boom, first round, it's white smoke.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they've done it in one day once before. Yeah. Who? Yeah. Yeah, they've done it. I think it was like 1939. It was three ballots and they got it. They got it in one day.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, so they were all pretty certain about that because there is there is like a political not like political in the sense of like our political system. But there is kind of a political sense to it where they lobby. They got to lobby for certain cardinals. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, no, they're actually not allowed to lobby. They're not allowed to lobby. But what they can do is they can discuss them. So in between each ballot, they have a discussion about it. So they'll say, hey, well, you know, isn't there time for, like, say, an African pope? Or, you know, maybe you want the papacy to come back to Italy. But they're expressly... held not to lobby. In fact, it's my belief, you know, your listeners can correct me if I'm wrong, but Pope John Paul II actually said, if you lobby, then you can be excommunicated.
SPEAKER 13 :
Wow. So they're really hardcore about this. So the reason that I wanted to talk to you, because everybody knows, you know, obviously, Matthew went from Hollywood, now Texas. He's in Black Hawk Down, all this good stuff. Catholic, family man. He has 11,000 children, so he's a great, upstanding Catholic. They're all beautiful children. They all look like they're clones of him and his wife. There is – and maybe you've seen this with your own kids, but you've raised them in the church. I read this piece where a significant number of Gen Zers are turning to Christianity and a specific number, like a huge percentage of them are – they're joining the Catholic Church. And this is such a departure from millennials who I think were – I don't even think agnostic is the right way to describe like a lot of millennials. And Gen Xers are kind of apathetic. We just distrust everybody. What do you attribute that to? And the dovetail part of this question, because Gen Z is so conservative, is that something – that the Catholic Church has to take into consideration when they're choosing the next pope. Because I know it's like world youth, something that's also happening simultaneously in Rome. And then you had the new saint who was like the first teenage saint who's been going through that process. I think he's from Assisi. And he's like the digital saint. All of the youth are descending right now on Rome. They're all there at the Vatican. How does that... Is that going to factor into maybe the level of conservatism that is going to be present in the next pope selected?
SPEAKER 06 :
Do you think? I don't know. I don't think so. I mean, I'd like it to, of course, you know, because, of course, I'm on the more conservative side, but slightly conservative. Just a little bit. Just a bit. But no, I don't think it will. But I do think that, look, be careful what you wish for, right? You always say that you get the pub that you deserve. And I think that Pope Francis, my own personal opinion was he was very, very confusing. You know, I remember me and you and me and Chris, like you guys calling me up and saying, like, what is he saying? I'm like, hey, I always ask Matthew.
SPEAKER 13 :
We're like, what does this mean? What is this? He's like our go to.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know. But but that. Like I said, be careful what you wish for because we've gone so left with the leftist policies and all these things that you think are ideal. They put them out as ideals. Through Biden, they came true. And I think that they've been wholly rejected. by the youth because they're like, hey, listen, certainly for young men, I don't want to be with a woman that's been with 50, 60 men. I don't want that. I want to return more to more traditional values. Women are now going, hang on a second, this third wave feminism, has destroyed the family unit. People aren't happy anymore. Why would I want to do that? I want to be a housewife. It's almost like, well, we've said this over and over, and I know you, Dana, you come from that punk rock. You and Chris come from that goth punk rock background. We are the counterculture now. And so the youth are going, hang on a second. The conservative ideals are resonating with them more and more and more. By the way, forgive me, I'm holding my camera, so my apologies for that. But I think that's resonating more and more with the youth and what they're going to as well is tradition. And the Catholic Church obviously has a tradition of truth and beauty. So as you said, I remember when you guys came back from Italy and you were like, wow, the Vatican is so beautiful. And this is what I tell people is when people go on about the Catholic Church and the wealth that it has and the art that it has, I said, that's yours. The Catholic Church is keeping it for everybody to remind us of the beauty of humanity. So I think that that tradition, going back to traditional values, is resonating. And listen, wouldn't it be amazing when you're seeing what's happening in Italy right now with a conservative prime minister, what you're seeing in Hungary, what you're seeing over here in America, is there's this kind of cultural revolution going on. And I think that having a really strong conservative pope would be amazing.
SPEAKER 13 :
I mean, not to interrupt you, but wasn't Pope John Paul like a great like partner with Reagan? Like I think Reagan, Thatcher and Pope John defeating communism. I mean, that was like the trifecta. And I think people are kind of looking for that again.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I mean, when we were growing up, I always remember you. I mean, think about you had Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul, Mother Teresa, and these great leaders in the world that were not only political leaders, but they were moral leaders. And we had clarity. And I think under Francis, there wasn't clarity. With the conservative cardinals that are out there right now, they are scholars in canon law. They're very, very, very intelligent. And listen, Everyone thought after after Pope John Paul, we would get a very, very liberal pope. And we actually got a more conservative pope in Benedict.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, he's very conservative. Last quick question.
SPEAKER 06 :
Who knows?
SPEAKER 13 :
Cardinal Sarah or or pizza baller?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, Sarah. Really? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right. We got we have to run, Matthew. We'd love to have you back, though, as this progresses, because the conclave is going to keep going. It just started today. So we'll see. I don't think they're going to decide it today. I don't. It's good to see you, my friend. But let's get you back. All right. We'll talk again soon.
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SPEAKER 13 :
Welcome back to the program. We're really, really short on time because of the technical stuff that we had previously. But anyway, do we have any time for today in stupidity, Kane?
SPEAKER 12 :
All the cuts we had were kind of long, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 13 :
I have a crazy bit of audio pertaining to the conclave that you've got to hear tomorrow.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, Lord. Are you going to play that?
SPEAKER 13 :
I am going to play it because I had to listen to it. Everyone else does too, Kane. That's the rule.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don't know.
SPEAKER 13 :
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Engage with the complexities of international relations as the episode delves into the growing tensions between nuclear-armed neighbors, India and Pakistan. In a dialogue with esteemed Senator James Lankford, the discussion unfolds the intricate web of diplomacy and deterrence. Meanwhile, an exploration of religious freedom unearths the harsh realities faced by Christians in Nigeria. Culminating this session is a timely debate on military readiness following the U.S. Supreme Court's rulings and the essential conversation on enforcing safety regulations around the prescription of abortion pills.
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From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview, Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
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Through our oversight review, we found that the FBI prematurely declared the case to be, quote, suicide by cop. misconstruing information, misleading the public, and misrepresenting the facts. The FBI then spent four years guarding those determinations by obstructing congressional oversight.
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That was Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee yesterday discussing their findings on the FBI's handling of the 2017 shooting that targeted then-House Republican Whip Steve Scalise. Welcome to this May 7th edition of Washington Watch. Thanks so much for tuning in and making us part of your afternoon. Well, as promised, House Republicans are actively exposing the entrenched agents of the deep state, uncovering information previously inaccessible during the Biden administration. Georgia Congressman Andrew Clyde joins me to discuss the latest findings. Meanwhile, House Republicans are locked in an internal battle over how to find one point five trillion dollars needed to fund what is being called the one big, beautiful bill. Moderates are resisting any rollback of the Biden-era Medicaid expansions, which occurred mostly in blue states, while conservatives argue those cuts are essential to meet the budget target. We'll dive into that debate with Congressman Clyde as well. Globally, the number of armed conflicts is now at its highest level since World War II. One flashpoint, India's recent missile strike on Pakistan threatens to reignite tensions between those two nuclear-armed rivals. We'll talk with Oklahoma Senator James Lankford. And speaking of conflict, the U.S. military is returning to mission focus under the Trump administration.
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We are leaving wokeness and weakness behind. No more pronouns. No more climate change obsession. No more emergency vaccine mandates. No more dudes in dresses. We're done with that.
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That was Secretary of Defense Pete Hexeth yesterday. We'll hear more from South Carolina Congresswoman Sherry Biggs, a military veteran and member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. And finally, the Trump Department of Justice on Monday asked a federal judge in Texas to dismiss a lawsuit brought by three states challenging the FDA's Biden era laws. Rule changes, rules that allow abortion pills to be prescribed without medical oversight and combined with the Biden era DOJ opinion allows the pills to be sent through the mail. Now, together, those changes put in place by the Biden administration effectively nullify pro-life laws in many states. So why is the Trump administration allowing those rules to stay in place? Missouri Senator Josh Hawley joins me to discuss that. Session 12 of our God and Government series is now available, How to Make a Godly Appeal to Leaders. In this session, I walk through biblical principles for making respectful and effective appeals to those in authority. It's available exclusively on the StandFirm app. If you don't yet have the app, well, and you want the course, text the word COURSE to 67742, and I'll send you a link. That's COURSE to 67742. Well, as I mentioned yesterday, the House Intelligence Committee released its assessment regarding the FBI's mishandling of the 2017 congressional baseball shooting. The committee stated that the FBI's incomplete investigation and substandard analysis of that shooting, which harmed four people, including Congressman Steve Scalise, only increases concern that the agency was weaponized and misused. What are we to make of this report and how can the FBI improve upon this glaring mistake and its tarnished reputation? We're here to discuss this. Congressman Andrew Clyde, who serves on the House Appropriations Committee and the House Budget Committee, represents the 9th Congressional District of Georgia. Congressman Clyde, welcome back to Washington Watch. I know you're just stepping off the House floor. The House is in vote, so I appreciate you joining us by phone.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely, Tony. Great to be with you. You're right. I just finished voting and we've got another vote here coming up. So I appreciate the opportunity of chatting with you.
SPEAKER 08 :
So what do we make of the House Intelligence Committee's assessment of the investigation of the 2017 shooting?
SPEAKER 05 :
I think they're spot on. I mean, you know, when the FBI prematurely declared the case to be, quote, suicide by cop, you know, that to me has a negative political bent to it. That means that there were political determinations that made up their decision and not actually the facts. As I think one of my colleagues has said, the only obvious determination is that this was an act of domestic terrorism. And that's absolutely correct. The shooting at the baseball field in 2017, It wasn't active domestic terrorism. It was a Democrat trying to take out Republicans. And for the FBI not to call it what it is and to literally hold that information and obstruct a congressional hearing for four years was totally unacceptable. And it has led to the FBI's reputation being tarnished with the American people. I was with the newly confirmed director, Kash Patel, just a little earlier today. He had a hearing in Commerce, Justice, Science, our appropriations subcommittee. And I will tell you that I think Kash Patel, him being the new director, is the best thing that has happened to the FBI in the last decade, maybe two decades. So I think he's going to do a lot to restore the confidence of the American people in the FBI.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that's saying a lot, Congressman, because a lot has to be done to restore the confidence of the American people in the FBI. I want to play a clip from that hearing. You were in that hearing. I want to play this clip of his exchange with Congresswoman Dean. Play clip number three, please.
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As you and the president continue to weaponize and investigate his perceived enemies. As you follow this blueprint, when can I, a former impeachment manager, expect the FBI at my door?
SPEAKER 15 :
Ma'am, you want to know who was targeted by a weaponized FBI? Me. You want to know how and why? You want to know what I'm doing to fix it?
SPEAKER 19 :
Let me move on.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you should read the book because there's no enemies list on that book. There are people that violated their constitutional obligations and their duties to the American people, and they were rightly called out.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don't think she wanted to hear that response.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I remember that quite well. I was sitting there. The other side always accuses us of doing what they are actually doing. As an impeachment manager herself of a false and fake impeachment, she has the gall to say that. I mean, it's one of the reasons why I love Kash Patel, because he was actually a victim of the weaponization of the government against him. And so he has even more reason to ensure that the FBI, as my exchange with him went, upholds the rule of law and upholds those four words that you see above the Supreme Court, equal justice under law for all of us. And we talked about the judge in Wisconsin and – and how even judges are subject to the rule of law as well. And so I was very, very pleased with our exchange and very pleased with Kash Patel. He's got a lot of work to do, like you said, and I reminded him of that. But he's committed to doing it for the good of the American people and the rule of law.
SPEAKER 08 :
Congressman Klein, let me ask you about that. What recommendations? I mean, I've got some recommendations. For one, they could stop using the Southern Poverty Law Center as a resource, which the FBI has done. They were a part of weaponizing the left. I mean, they led to that. Their labeling of us led to a act of domestic terrorism at our facility in Washington. But what recommendations or actions are you suggesting to Director Patel?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that one, to stop using the Southern Poverty Law Center, I think is a phenomenal recommendation. And I did not actually give any specific recommendations to him because I want to give him a little bit of room. He's only been on board for about a couple of months. as the director. But we will be watching Cash and Patel and seeing what he actually does. So I'm just excited that he's there and the fact that he's got Dan Bongino with him.
SPEAKER 08 :
Let me move on to budgetary issues. You serve on the Budget Committee, so you're very well prepared to answer these questions. You're a part of the Fiscal State of the Nation hearing held by the House Budget Committee. There's concerns. I'm hearing reports that moderates do not want to roll back any of the Biden era Medicaid expansions. How else do you get to the one point five trillion dollar number that you need to get to to get the reconciliation package through?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it's not just one point five trillion dollars. I think we really need to be over two trillion dollars. In fact, somewhere between two point oh and two point five trillion dollars. And there is no way that we get there without dealing with Medicaid. You know, first off, we're going to definitely look at it for the waste, fraud and abuse that is there. And there is a lot of it. I mean, the government accounting office in its 2023 report said that there were over 50 billion dollars annually, so 500 billion dollars over the 10 year budget window of misappropriated or incorrect payments. So, you know, that's They're looking for $880 billion. Well, $500 billion of it could come straight off the top on Medicaid when it comes to waste, fraud, and abuse. And then the other thing is this. Medicaid was originally designed for the folks that are low-income, are senior citizens, are elderly, the disabled, the pregnant women. And now the greatest percentage of those people on Medicaid are actually those who are able-bodied adults that are not working. And the greatest match, you know, the states get $9 for every $1 they invest in those folks, where the original Medicaid folks, really, it's only about, if they invest $4, the state does, then they'll get $6 from the federal government. That's about 60%. So, you know, this greatest, what they call the expansion population, They should not honestly not even be on Medicaid. They should be working. But this is not a work requirement added to it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And this was something that was pushed through by the Biden administration in their expansion in the last four years. So why are Republicans hesitant to just go back and dial this back from prior to the Biden administration?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I mean, you're right about the the about Obamacare. Obamacare broke Medicaid, but we are going to fix Medicaid, and we, through work requirements and other means, we are going to make Medicaid stronger and more resilient in the future for those folks that actually need it, and not for the folks that are on it that don't need it and shouldn't be on it, like illegal aliens and able-bodied adults that refuse to work.
SPEAKER 08 :
Do your colleagues realize that it will sink the whole ship if they don't? throw off the dead weight that Medicaid is carrying?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, we have to deal with Medicaid. If we don't, we will see very soon. And I mean, you know, between three and nine years, we will see a sovereign debt crisis in this country. It is absolutely true that the debt is our greatest internal threat. And if we don't deal with it and deal with it this year, then we will have shirked our responsibilities and we will not have done what the American people sent us here to do. So I believe, Tony, that we'll get there. I believe we'll get there and I believe that we will strengthen Medicaid. All right. But we will also ensure that the waste, fraud and abuse and those who shouldn't be on it are not on it. So I have confidence that we will get there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Congressman Clyde, I hope that your colleagues, all of your colleagues, share the urgency of understanding the significance of the debt that we're carrying. And now is the time. If we don't address it now, it's not going to be addressed. So I think you're absolutely right. Congressman, thanks so much for joining us. Always great to have you on the program. Appreciate you joining us from the House floor today.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you very much. Great to be on Washington Watch with you, Tony.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. Congressman Andrew Clyde of Georgia. By the way, I encourage you to sign our petition regarding the Southern Poverty Law Center. We're going to ask the DOJ to stop using them as a resource, which the Biden administration did. They were a part of labeling us as a hate group leading to a shooting at our place. So text SPLC to 67742. That's SPLC to 67742. All right. Don't go away. We're back after this.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us. Yesterday, India launched a rocket attack in Pakistan, striking at least five locations and killing at least 26 people. India says the attack is a defensive response that targeted terrorist infrastructure. Pakistan, however, has called it an act of aggression from India and says it has a right to respond however it sees fit. The latest flare-up between these two long-feuding countries raises the prospects of yet another hot war. Here to discuss this, U.S. Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma. He's a member of four Senate committees, including the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Committee on Homeland Security. He is also the author of Turnaround, America's Revival, which came out last month. Senator Lankford, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us. Tony, thank you very much. Good to talk to you again. Before we jump into this conflict between India and Pakistan, tell us about the book, Turnaround, America's Revival.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, this was really a challenge to people. One is I don't want people to miss their calling. And I have a lot of people I've talked to that know their career, but not their calling. And they see problems around them and think I should elect somebody to go fix that. And we lose track of the just simple principle of we the people. We see problems as followers of Christ. We see problems. We ask God what we're supposed to do about it. We engage like Nehemiah did. And somehow we're losing that. So this is a challenge for both people that are politically engaged, people that are not, to be able to look at who we are as Americans and to ask the question, if the nation's going to turn around, it's not going to be because we elect the right person, because we actually engage in our communities to turn things around.
SPEAKER 08 :
I like the example of Nehemiah. In fact, in our two-year journey through the Bible, we'll soon be in the book of Nehemiah, is that Nehemiah, of course, it required leadership. Everything requires leadership at each level. But what Nehemiah did that was a game changer that allowed them to rebuild the wall in 52 years, a wall that had been sitting in rubble for years, was the fact that they built it in front of their homes. And they worked by families, and they took care of what was in front of them. So it's bite-sized chunks, but taking personal responsibility of right where you are.
SPEAKER 07 :
They did. There are two big features there on that. One is exactly that problem. Take care of the problem right next to you. And if everybody starts working on that, we make an enormous difference. The second thing was the difference between Nehemiah and Hananiah. In the very first chapter, Hanani walks in. He just came from Jerusalem. Nehemiah says, what's it like in Jerusalem? And Hanani says, well, it's terrible. The walls down, the gates are burned down, the economy collapsed. Hanani walked away. Nehemiah dropped his knees and said, there's a big difference between people that say it stinks to be them. I see the problem, but I'm not going to do anything about it. And those that drop to their knees and say, God, there is a problem. What is my part? How can folks get a copy of the book? It is literally available everywhere. Everywhere you go, you can go to Amazon, you can go to Barnes & Noble's Books A Million. It's available at Hobby Lobby. It's available at Mardell. So wherever you get a chance to get your books on it, it's there.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, speaking of Nehemiah, this is probably one aspect of Nehemiah you relate to. It's one that served me well in my entire public life and career is Sanballat and Tobiah. When they send message to Nehemiah saying, hey, come meet with us in the plain of Ono. And Nehemiah says, you know what? I'm too busy. I don't have time to talk with you. And it was really a lesson to me to stay focused on mission and not listen to the critics.
SPEAKER 07 :
It is 100% there. There are plenty of San Valets and Tobias that are actually on social media attacking you and I both every single day. Then come talk to me. Don't do what you're supposed to. Come talk to me. Come take my complaint. I'm going to yell at you and you're supposed to yell back. When we actually set that aside and say that's a distraction from my mission rather than what I should consume my life with, it directs you back to what we're supposed to do.
SPEAKER 08 :
And there's so many of those distractions out there that I think are taking people, followers of Christ, away from, as you said, their calling in life to serve the kingdom. And I just think we've got to be careful of what we get involved in and what we respond to. And social media can be just quicksand. I mean, it can just suck you in and take all your energy and remove you from your focused mission.
SPEAKER 07 :
It is actually in my book, Turn Around, I actually have one of the chapters that deals a lot with social media and just how we interact with it. What do we believe? What do we not believe? It is a place to be able to share our faith. It is a tool, but it's also a place that can have great distraction and becomes a rabbit hole of anger and pulling us into all kinds of conspiracies and things that are not of God. And literally, if you look at the third chapter of Titus, there's a challenge that's very specific for our day and time on how to be able to deal with some of the noise that we see in social media. And I try to highlight those things from Titus chapter three as well in the book Turnaround.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. Well, I'm going to get you back on in a long segment so we can talk about the book. I'm going to read it. I haven't read it yet. I'm going to get it. I'm going to read it and we're going to talk about it because it sounds like it's right down my alley. But let's talk now about India and Pakistan. This is a long simmering conflict between these two countries over Kashmir. This is at a new level and these are nuclear armed countries. I think this is something that we should be very concerned about. What do you say?
SPEAKER 07 :
The Hindu nation that is India and the Muslim nation that is Pakistan, both nuclear armed, both pointed at each other. They're in conflict over the Kashmir. India dominates much of that area. Both of them claim it. And there was a terrorist attack that killed multiple, multiple Indians just last week. So India has responded with, I'm going to take out terror bases. They didn't just attack Kashmir. They actually reached in with missile attacks and actually went into Pakistan itself. Pakistan obviously is saying they're going to respond. This is a very tenuous moment for President Trump and his relationship with Prime Minister Modi to be able to step up and to say, everybody take a deep breath. Let's get a chance to be able to work this out. But this is something that should be resolved diplomatically and will require American leadership as we engage with both of those countries consistently to be able to bring the volume down.
SPEAKER 08 :
We just have about a minute and a half left, Senator. But I think people need to see this not as one dimensional. But when we look at these countries, I mean, this is a chessboard. I mean, you've got India and there's a relationship that we pursue with China or that counters China. You've got Turkey. You've got so many different countries lining up one side or the other.
SPEAKER 07 :
We really do. And it's a really, really challenging region and great conflict possibilities there and literally well over a billion people that are in that area. So high population, there are some areas of high poverty. It is a challenge in multiple, multiple ways. China and India have not done well together. They've also had skirmishes over their border as well between China and India. So it is a very, very challenging region and will require leadership. and some diplomacy, and I would challenge even your listeners to be able to pray because there are a lot of Christians that also live in that area as well that are caught up in two nations that sometimes receive them and many times do not.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, religious freedom is a real issue there, especially in India, which is an issue of great concern for me. Thirty seconds left, Senator. What role is religion playing in this conflict between the two countries?
SPEAKER 07 :
It certainly is playing a role there. Obviously, it's a dominant Hindu nation for India. not only Muslim nation in Pakistan, as you and I both know, they face a lot of religious liberty issues in India. They have a basically a First Amendment right to freedom of religion in India. But there's been wide scale oppression of Christians and Muslims that's happened in India for quite a while. And so this has also become a tension about the terrorism in that area about Kashmir as well on a religious issue.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, Senator James Lankford, we'll leave it there for now, but we'll talk soon. Folks, stick with us. We're back after this.
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At Family Research Council, we believe religious freedom is a fundamental human right that all governments must protect. That's why FRC President Tony Perkins went to Capitol Hill to testify on behalf of persecuted Christians in Nigeria. Islamist terror groups target Christians and other religious minorities in Nigeria with brutal violence. Representative Chris Smith, who chaired the hearing, said 55,000 people have been killed and 21,000 abducted in the last five years alone. The congressman also stressed that 89% of Christians in the world who are martyred are from Nigeria.
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Yet the government of Nigeria has failed to make progress against religiously motivated persecution of Christians despite religious freedom being enshrined as an essential human right in their constitution.
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Tony Perkins called for the United States to send an unmistakable message.
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This is systematic religious violence. Nigeria must be redesignated a country of particular concern. The Biden administration's removal of this designation was a reckless mistake that emboldened the very terrorists who are slaughtering Christians.
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Redesignating Nigeria will enable the U.S. government to pressure Nigerian leaders to protect vulnerable Christians.
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These are not just numbers. These are fathers, their mothers, their children, their families.
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Bishop Wilfred Anagabe risked his life to speak out, sharing firsthand accounts of the danger faced in his church district in central Nigeria.
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We live in fear because at any point it can be our turn to be killed. But to remain silent is to die twice. So I have chosen to speak.
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FRC is calling on President Trump to act now to promote religious freedom around the globe and speak up on behalf of Christians in Nigeria.
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This is Washington Watch. I'm Tony Perkins, and it's good to have you along with us. The website, TonyPerkins.com. Better yet, get the Stand Firm app, and you'll have Washington Watch with you no matter where you go. You'll also have access to the Washington Stand, our news feed and commentary, all coming to you from a biblical perspective, and my daily Bible commentary or devotional, Stand on the Word. All of that can be found at the Stand Firm app. Yesterday, the U.S. Supreme Court handed a victory to the Trump administration regarding its effort to prevent gender-confused individuals from serving in the U.S. armed forces. A Defense Department policy created by executive orders specifically lists individuals with gender dysphoria as falling short of meeting the mental qualifications needed to serve. A policy was placed on a temporary hold by a district court while it moves through the court system. But yesterday's Supreme Court ruling overrides that order, therefore allowing the DOD to enact the policy. Well, given the threats facing the U.S., how significant is this news for our military? Here to discuss this, Congresswoman Sherry Biggs, who is serving her first term in Congress. She is a member of three House committees, including Homeland Security and Foreign Affairs. She is also a lieutenant colonel. in the Air National Guard. She represents the 3rd Congressional District of South Carolina, and she joins us by phone from the House floor. Congresswoman Biggs, welcome to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
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Hello. Thank you so much for having me.
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Well, first of all, congratulations on now serving your first term in Congress. Before we get into the topic, I just want to ask you a question. I know you've served in the National Guard, a lieutenant colonel. Why did you decide to run for office?
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Well, it's a long story, but I've been in the health care industry most of my professional career. I joined the military a little later in life, started doing some nonprofit work in my community, and just saw the brokenness of not only our health care system but our mental health and actually spiritual well-being in general. So I just really felt like I was called to do something more, and here I am.
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Well, let's talk about that as you come with a unique background, enabling you to address many of these issues. Let's talk about our nation's military and the fact that just the court ruling yesterday allowing the Trump policy on gender dysphoria to go into place in our nation's military. Is it time that we move away from this social experimentation that's been taking place in our military back to a focus on the military's core mission, fighting and winning wars?
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Well, absolutely. I feel like President Trump is reinforcing our strength and trying to ensure our mission readiness. I think it's a huge win for the military and I believe the members will be pleased with this outcome.
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I want speaking of the military, I want to ask you about this. This is a report that was just released to Congress about a week ago. And this was the the report oversight report by the special inspector general for Afghan reconstruction that that shows that the. Biden administration left behind literally billions of dollars worth of U.S. equipment that had been provided to the Afghan army that is now not only being utilized by terrorist organizations, but is being sold to fund the work of multiple al-Qaeda affiliates and other terrorist organizations?
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Well, I think it's absolutely ridiculous. And I think as an American and take away the peace as a member of the military. But I've seen members sacrifice. I've seen families sacrifice. And I think this is common sense. You know, a lot of individuals felt let down by what happened. And it was not a source of strength. It showed weakness and very much a lack of leadership. So I, for one, am glad to see America being put first in strengthening our military and taking care of our service members. I think we owe that to those people that have sacrificed. And the people that I know are patriots, look, they want to serve. They don't expect anything in return. They just want to make this a better and safer place for our families. I mean, I'm a mom. And I can tell you when I go to sleep at night, it gives me comfort knowing that we have people protecting us. And I think most mothers would identify with that. So I'm happy to see the change that's come about by this administration. And I wholly support what's being done to uphold our troops and to take care. I mean, this is common sense policy to me. And I feel like the members would share in my belief on this and those that have sacrificed.
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We just have about a minute and a half left, Congresswoman Biggs. Any surprises for you? I know this is, I always like to ask our new members of Congress, as you've come, you've been here a while, you've gotten your feet on the ground. Any surprises?
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Well, I can tell you it's been very busy. This first hundred days has been nonstop. And I And, you know, I love that. I like being busy, and I love doing the work and serving my district in South Carolina. But I think one thing that has been maybe enlightening, the people that I've come here to serve with, a lot of members in the freshman class are here for the same reason that I am, to serve our district, to serve our state, and to serve our country. And that's very reassuring to me, and especially right now under President Trump's leadership. I think it's a great time for America. You know, we're having to iron out some wrinkles right now, and it's a little bumpy road. But I look forward to the future and to the change that's coming.
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Well, we definitely need that change. Congresswoman Biggs, I want to thank you for joining us today. And again, congratulations on serving your first term in Congress. We look forward to talking to you again real soon.
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Well, thank you so much, and I enjoyed talking to you.
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All right, take care. All right, coming up next, we're going to be joined by Senator Josh Hawley, so don't go away.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us. I have some people asking about the SPLC petition that we're going to be sending to the Department of Justice. Just text SPLC, that's SPLC, to 67742, 67742. It's time to end any relationship that the federal government has with this organization, SPLC. All right, our word for today comes from Daniel chapter eight, where Daniel receives a prophetic vision that foreshadows the rise of the Antichrist in the end times. Quote, his power shall be great, but not by his own power. And he shall cause fearful destruction and shall succeed in what he does and destroy mighty men and the people who are the saints. Verse 24, by his cunning, he shall make deceit prosper under his hand and in his own mind, he shall become great. Without warning, he shall destroy many and he shall even rise up against the prince of princes and he shall be broken. but by no human hand, verse 25. Well, deception will be a primary weapon of the Antichrist. That's why Jesus in Mark 13 repeatedly warned his disciples, do not be deceived. And Daniel gives a clear profile of the Antichrist. His power is not his own. It's demonic. He is cunning and manipulative. Deceit will flourish under his influence, and he will exalt himself with pride. In fact, he will dare to oppose God himself, yet he will be destroyed, not by human hands, but by divine judgment. For more on our journey through the Bible, text BIBLE to 67742. That's BIBLE to 67742. All right. I wanted to go back very quickly to the previous conversation we were having about the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and what was left behind. Now, according to this report from the special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction, this is what was left behind. OK, just hold on. The United States left 78 aircraft. 78 aircraft, 40,000 military vehicles, and over 300,000 weapons when they withdrew. Now, this is falling into the hands of terrorist organizations and they're selling it on the black market to fund their terrorist activities. This is criminal. I mean, how do you leave 78 aircraft behind? How do you leave 40,000 vehicles? I mean, they used to destroy this stuff when they would leave it behind in previous wars. But we just kind of, we turned the keys over to terrorists. This is criminal. I would hope that once the Congress now has this report, and as we talked about earlier, they are ferreting out the agents of the deep state. People need to be held accountable for this crime. Again, this is criminal behavior. On Monday, the Trump Department of Justice asked a federal district judge in Texas to throw out a challenge by three states, and they were Republican states, to the Food and Drug Administration's regulations adopted during the Biden administration, which allowed abortion pills to be prescribed without medical oversight. Now, that combined with an opinion by the Biden DOJ that the pills can be sent through the mail, essentially nullifies the pro-life laws of the states. This Trump DOJ filing is inconsistent with the claim that the administration supports the right of the states to adopt pro-life laws. So why are they doing this? This has been my contention with the Trump administration, even the Trump campaign. This was when we were addressing the platform issues. You cannot say you support the right of states to have pro-life laws, but then have a federal policy that allows the abortion pill to be mailed into the states because nearly 70 percent of abortions are now being done by the abortion pill. Well, my next guest, I think, feels very similar because he sent a letter to the Attorney General Pam Bondi demanding an explanation for this surprising stance. He's here now to discuss this. Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri. He serves on four Senate committees, including the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senator Hawley, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
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Thank you for having me, Tony.
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All right. Were you surprised by the position of the Trump DOJ in this case?
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Stunned. Yeah, just stunned. I mean, Missouri... It's one of the states in this case. In fact, Missouri is leading the lawsuit. And it's really a question of are voters going to be able to set the policy and protect life in their states or not? And the position of the Biden administration is it doesn't matter what the voters vote anywhere. It doesn't matter what state legislatures do. the Biden DOJ and the Biden FDA said, we're going to allow providers to mail in chemical abortion drugs into every state, no matter what. If your state restricts it, doesn't matter. We're still going to mail in the abortion drugs. And now women can take them under the Biden rules without any physician supervision, any physician help and assistance. It's incredibly dangerous, Tony. And it's also totally cuts the legs out from under the Dobbs ruling. I don't know why the current Department of Justice would defend this rule, it seems to me to be totally antithetical to the president's position during the campaign and also to the Supreme Court's Dobbs ruling.
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Now, there's a simple solution here, if I'm not mistaken, Senator, and feel free to correct me. But you can have the Department of Justice reissue an opinion saying the Comstock law applies to abortion pills as it did prior to the Biden administration. And you can also roll back the FDA rule that simply requires medical oversight of the prescription of the abortion pill.
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Yeah, and that is that you're correct, and I think that's exactly what needs to happen, and here's why. Just in the last week, we've had a major study. of the different prescriptions of the abortion drug to women, 865,000 different prescriptions of this drug. And what this study found over a course of years, the data it looked at, is that almost 11% of women who take this drug experience a serious adverse development. That's the lingo. What that means is a threatening event, emergency room visits, hemorrhaging, This is a huge number, huge number. It shows that the drug is not safe, and that is why, since it has been available in this country, it has always come with safety protocols. Doctors have to prescribe it. Doctors have to administer it. They have to be available to their patients to help them in the event of a serious health complication. Biden got rid of all that, and I think this administration... could do a world of good by putting those safety restrictions back into place immediately. It's a matter of life and death, literally.
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What is preventing them from doing that?
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Nothing. Nothing's preventing them, and the Department of Justice, I think their position in this suit is baffling for many reasons. You're right, I did write to the Attorney General today, and I asked her to review their position and change it. I mean, they need to be pushing to allow voters and states to defend life. And they certainly shouldn't be in court defending the Biden administration's rules. And I've also, for the same reasons, pushed the FDA. And they're the ones who have the authority here to put in place the safety regulations. I continue to push the FDA to put back in place these safety regulations. In light of this new data that we have, Tony, it is absolutely necessary. It is absolutely vital that they do this ASAP.
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Now, I'm going to go back to this filing by the Department of Justice in this case that is in Texas. So you have three states. You have Missouri, you have Kansas, and you have Idaho. Now, they were kind of piggybacking on a previous case. What the federal government is saying is that they don't have standing. They lack standing to bring this case in that jurisdiction. Do you buy that? I mean, you're a former attorney general of the state of Missouri. Is that a legitimate legal argument?
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Well, I don't really buy that. I do not buy the argument at all that the states don't have the right to bring the suit. And that's really what the Department of Justice said here. They quarreled a little bit with what court it got brought in, which is very sort of a lot of legalese. And but then they also said, you know, we really doubt, frankly, that states have the ability to to bring this suit at all. And, Tony, I just completely disagree with this. I mean, listen, the state of Missouri has a responsibility for its citizens, in this case the women of Missouri, many of whom are experiencing major health effects, adverse health effects, from the abortion drug that's getting mailed into our state. And that's why Missouri is suing. They're saying, hold on, thousands and thousands of Missouri women have had to be rushed to hospitals because of the side effects of this drug. Oftentimes the states had to pick up the tab, but that's not the most important thing. The most important thing is their health, their safety, which is severely at risk. That's why these safety regulations, Tony, have got to go back into effect.
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Now, I don't buy this interpretation of the Dobbs decision that it simply said it's a state issue. I think it put it back into the hands of policymakers at every level because I think there's a federal role, as we see right here. But let's just say for case of argument that it is a state issue and then the state has a right to deal with the issue. Well, this would completely undercut that if you allow a federal policy to continue to mail abortion pills circumventing the state law. So you can't have it both ways. You can't say that you support the right of states to protect the unborn and their mothers and at the same time oppose. have a policy that allows these abortion pills to be sent into the state.
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That's exactly correct. This is why the Biden administration put this policy in place. They did not want anybody deciding to restrict abortion in any way. They didn't want anybody protecting life, not any voter, not any legislature, not the Congress, nobody. So they created this regime where it just doesn't matter what voters say. Voters can vote to say, you know what, we don't want there to be abortion at all in our state, or we don't want there to be abortion after X number of weeks. It doesn't matter now. Providers, others can mail this drug in to any state they want. No hold safety protocols. So you're right, Tony. It totally undermines the right of the people at any level, local, state, federal, to decide this video.
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Now, I believe you've introduced legislation addressing this issue with Mifeprestone. Tell us about that.
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My legislation would put back into place the long-standing safety regulation. So it would say the drug can only be prescribed by a real doctor, honest-to-goodness doctor. It can only be dispensed by a doctor. A doctor has to be on hand to help and assist in the event of a medical emergency. There's got to be follow-up with a doctor. This is really important. My legislation would allow women... who have experienced major medical emergencies because of this drug, it would allow them to sue the telehealth providers, so-called, who have sent them the drugs. What's happening now is doctors don't have to prescribe it. So you could have somebody who doesn't know the dangers of this drug, they don't ever meet a doctor, they go online somewhere, and a website sends them the drug, mails it through the mail. You ought to be able to sue those people. if you're injured because you take the drug under false pretenses, and that's what my bill would do.
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So, presently, there's no liability for those that would be trafficking in these drugs?
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Well, you could try to sue them under our existing statutes, Tony. It would be very difficult because, currently, Under the regulations you pointed out, the Biden administration said you can absolutely mail the drugs through the mail, no problem at all. You can dispense them by telehealth, no problem at all. So it's pretty darn hard to sue anybody. We need to allow women who have been harmed by this drug, and that's a lot of women we now know, we need to allow them to get into court and say, hold on a minute, and you prescribed me this drug, you should be liable for how I was hurt.
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Senator Hawley, speak to the issue of the Comstock Act that was in place and would have prohibited, did prohibit the mailing of abortion drugs until a DOJ opinion in the Biden administration.
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Well, this is a longstanding law, Tony. It's been around for a year. I mean, decades, decades, decades old and has said, has always been understood to say that. that you cannot do what the Biden administration is doing now and what they have given us now, which is you cannot mail abortion drugs through the mail, which is always a requirement that in order to get an abortion drug, do a chemical abortion, a doctor had to prescribe it and a doctor had to administer it in person. But the Biden DOJ wanted to create a whole new system. They wanted to create a whole new abortion industry. And so they said, oh, never mind. We'll allow people to mail this drug. We'll allow people to mail it without a doctor visit. We'll allow anything goes.
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And so that's... I think we may have lost... Senator, are you there? I think we may have lost him momentarily. Let's see if we're getting back. This is... There's a couple of things here. First, this is a policy, as Senator Hawley said, that was put in place by the Biden administration. Two aspects. One is the Comstock Act, which was an opinion. This is a statute, but an opinion from the DOJ was given saying that it doesn't apply to the abortion pill. And then secondly, there was these new rules promulgated for or adopted by the FDA that allows this abortion pill to be prescribed without any kind of medical interaction. All right. And that's those those requirements have been in place for decades. Going back to the Clinton administration, those two things need to be changed and they can be changed by the Trump administration. And that's our point is that the Trump administration needs to fix this because the Trump administration cannot say that they are are are respectful of the rights of states to protect the unborn and women and still have this policy in place. I think we have the senator back. Senator, final question for you. We've got about a minute left. Is there a legislative remedy on the Comstock Act?
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Well, the legislative remedy, I think, Tony, is to put back into place, to mandate in the law, all of these safety regulations. And that begins with in-person dispensing. That means no more dispensing this drug through the mail. We need to put back in place the rule that says if you're going to get this abortion drug, you have to go to a real doctor. He or she has to give it to you in person. There's got to be follow-up visits, etc. That would take care of the mailing issue. And Tony, the other thing is we've got to shut down these. Some of these are overseas telehealth providers. They're like from India. We've got to ban them from sending the drug into the United States and from, quote-unquote, prescribing it to women in the United States.
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Because you don't even know if it's the purity of the drug or what the drug is. I mean, there's no accountability here. I mean, this is so dangerous. Senator Josh Hawley, always great to talk with you. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you. Folks, another reason to pray. Okay, we need to be praying. Pray that the heart of the president would be gripped by this and he would make the right decision to protect the unborn that would be consistent with the Dobbs decision. It'll allow lawmakers to make these decisions. All right, folks, we're out of time. Thanks for joining us. Until next time, I leave you with the words of the Apostle Paul, who says, when you've done everything you can do, when you've prayed and you've prepared, you've taken your stand, just keep standing.
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