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The episode extends beyond the U.S. borders, touching on the recent Canadian election landscape where progressive narratives and tariff impacts have influenced voter sentiments. Our conversation surveys the European energy gridlock, raising questions on renewable energy's effectiveness amid widespread rolling blackouts. Listen in for an engaging analysis and critical perspectives on these headlines shaping our world economy.
SPEAKER 12 :
You reported this morning that Amazon will soon display a little number next to the price of each product that shows how much the Trump tariffs are adding to the cost of each product. So isn't that a perfect crystal clear demonstration that it's the American consumer and not China who is going to have to pay for these policies?
SPEAKER 10 :
I will take this since I just got off the phone with the president about Amazon's announcement. This is a hostile and political act by Amazon. Why didn't Amazon do this when the Biden administration hiked inflation to the highest level in 40 years? And I would also add that it's not a surprise because as Reuters recently wrote, Amazon has partnered with a Chinese propaganda arm. So this is another reason why Americans should buy American. It's another reason why we are on shoring critical supply chains here at home to shore up our own critical supply chain and boost our own manufacturing.
SPEAKER 01 :
So this is one of the big fights this morning. Well, there's several. Actually, we're going to highlight those because we've got the budget battle, which looks like it's going to get stalled out. in the senate and that's where they're hoping to well they're fighting over tax cuts in the house so we're not even there yet i'll we'll we'll explain that coming up but the uh senate is where it's that's probably gonna get hung up i mean come on it's the senate guys you guys know all this it's um it's it's the senate is just full of cantankerous old bush league rhinos. I don't want to sound mean, but, you know, Cain's like, you're not wrong. I know I'm not wrong. I'm a thousand percent correct. That's exactly what it is. So, I, um, this, because of the whole with with with the tariffs and on top of inflation and everything the biggest argument that i've heard coming from people has been well why didn't they why didn't they do this amazon meaning why didn't amazon do this when we had biden era inflation and i think that's a fair point but i also think it's silly to expect them to not tell people what they're going to be paying And I, you know, I don't know if it's so much as a way to like shame the administration. I don't think that that's what it is. And we can we can we can discuss it. But I mean. Why can't we also discuss the vast amount of Chinese made stuff that's on Amazon and how there's so much fake stuff on Amazon and there's so much imitation and everything else. So welcome to the show. Dana Lash with you. We are at the top of this first hour here as we get started. But that's the big thing is the Amazon fight. Now, as you know. They basically just declared war on Amazon, the administration versus Amazon. This was right after Jeff Bezos was up, was right up there, and they were all hanging out. I'm just saying. So they were all up there hanging out. He was at the White House. He also, I think, how much did he donate to the... Sorry, the inaugural festivities. Wasn't it like a million dollars? I think Bezos donated like a million dollars to all the inaugural stuff. And yeah, like him and Facebook and all this, they had all donated, you know, about a million dollars to make that happen. And the I think the expectation from some was that they were all going to be best friends, which is never going to happen. I mean, you know, he's a he's a business person. But I will say one of the also arguments that I've seen is, oh, well, Jeff Bezos, their profit margins continue to increase and he's having a 500 million dollar wedding. Can we just full stop, full stop for a second? Everybody just everybody chill TF out for a minute and just listen. We can make the argument about China and the tariffs and all of this other stuff and businesses that facilitate this or facilitate. Well, it's a business facilitators that facilitate it like Amazon. We can do that without making communist arguments. The moment the moment we start criticizing a capitalist system and that's what it is, whether you like it or not, it's a system. It is a system. And then the the value of that system, whether it's being used for good or bad, is dependent upon the people who are using the system. Do not be baited into these low IQ commie arguments. Dear sweet heaven above. Do not. So it is. And I've had some really good friends of mine make this argument this morning. And I was actually literally texting with someone as I was coming on air. Like, what is your damage? Who hurt you? Because they were like, well, you know, he's going to be, you know how expensive his wedding is going to be. And I'm like, yeah, I know. And do I sit here and begrudge you for going out and buying Gucci loafers? My friend wears Gucci loafers. My friend also works in television. I'm like, do I sit here and begrudge you wearing Gucci loafers? Am I sitting here like, no, because that's what you earned. Right. I if someone else wants to go and get a horse and someone wants to buy a new tractor, someone wants to get a new toolkit and someone wants to get, you know, land. I don't care. You do what you do with the fruits of your labor. And we can exempt that from this argument about some of the things that Amazon has. Now, look, I'm going to be the first one to be like, there's certain things I just don't order on Amazon. Now, certain things they do. You know, there's like certain, you know, day to day things that I will get on Amazon. But there's a lot of stuff that I don't because you cannot verify the origin. And I think that that needs to be verified, you know, front and center. But that's a business decision that they're going to have to make. I don't need the government to come in and be like, oh, well, let's see. We're going to get into how how Amazon lists things. I just, you know. I don't know. I think that that's a bad argument. But we don't need to be baited into this commie stuff. We're going to talk more about this throughout the program because this is just one of the topics that's up. We also have the Canadian election. Can we just say for one moment? They had a chance for a great conservative candidate in Canada. And they decided to reelect the circus freak, Mark Carney. I know they decided to elect him, reelect him instead of Pierre Polivere. I don't think that Polivere's, I don't think that their, his career's done. I think he's got a long road ahead of him because he's a great candidate. He's a great candidate. He's quick. Everybody was loving this guy five seconds ago. And can I say, I'm going to say two things that are probably going to make some people mad and some people not mad. Number one, you don't have to go to DEFCON 1 just because somebody disagrees with POTUS. It is okay to not agree with every syllable that comes out of somebody's mouth. What? Because you're a freak if you do. I'm sorry, but you are. I don't even agree with my husband all the time. Dear heavens, I don't even agree with him all the time. Kane and I don't even... I don't even agree with my damn dog all the time, okay? My own wick is like one of the sweetest, most obedient things ever, right? So stop. I see people freaking out at other people because they're making genuinely good points. Like, for instance, going into the Canadian election, I... I think the conservatives were actually trending really well. And then the... And I understand I'm not arguing tariffs. I'm just saying when the tariffs happened... Then the liberals in Canada are progressives. I hate saying liberal. The liberals were able to finagle that into this narrative that they were standing against Trump in the United States. And that actually did impact a little bit in the polls. Now, how much all of that is remains to be seen. They're doing the they always do the postmortem on these losses. But I think that that did play into it. I think, too, some of the rhetoric also, you know, the liberals were able to use that. Now, you could say, well, if Canadians are going to be so dumb that they're going to elect somebody like that. Look, a person's smart. People are sheep. Tommy Lee Jones was right, man, in Men in Black. That was one of the smartest things I've ever heard in any film. And it's right. And you know it. So... There's a lot into that. And I think that I think that Carney is going to have a very unsuccessful term. And unfortunately, Canadians are going to get hit the hardest with us. We're going to talk more about this as well, because they're they're going to get hit the hardest with us. And I you know, it's just one of those things. There's a lot that it was a perfect storm. He was doing really well, in fact. I was looking at some of the polling last night. I mean, before this, I mean, Pierre Polivera had every appearance of being able to beat Mark Carney. He had every, Polivera had every, every appearance of going after Carney because Trudeau ruined it. I mean, think about this. How do you go from Trudeau to Trudeau Jr.? ? You know, how do you how do you go to that? And that's that's what ended up happening. So it's I think there's a lot that plays into it. I do think the tariffs had. I'm not saying that the because I know we have drive bys who read with pictures. And so I have to baby talk them. So for you smart people out there, bear with me for a moment. Yes, they're the the the tariffs did impact their decision, regardless of whether or not It had to be done, which I think you have to take a monumental step in order to enact action and effect change. You have to. I think the messaging on it could have been handled a hell of a lot better, if I'm being honest. That being said, it's a monumental change, and you've got to take some risks, and that's what's happening right now. But I do think that you don't have to lose your allies in that process, and I think that there maybe could have been a little... Because you want your allies to have healthy leadership, too. You don't want people... I mean, for crying out loud, would you want... Do you want Canada to fall into an abyss of communism and sharia? No, you don't. Because that's right on our border. And we have to have strong allies. That also feeds into our NATSEC, which is opposite, actually, nation building. We're very hands-off. You're just encouraging. And you try not to create an optical tornado, especially on the eve of an election. So all of this stuff plays into it, which we're going to break down. Now, in addition to all of this, I know, it's like... Then we have these rolling blackouts that have been happening in Europe, in Spain and Portugal. Of course, they are big fans of that renewable energy. Although I will say Spain's leadership was trying to argue in its press both sides. They were trying to say, well, yes, we're very big. We're like leaders in Europe for green energy. But also we just we really don't have enough evidence that this actually contributed to that. You don't. Can you imagine? I mean, they didn't even know when the power was going to come back on. They said it cost something like half a trillion dollars, all the hundreds of billions of dollars this cost. Wild, absolutely wild. I mean, they I don't know. They had they declared a state of emergency. They had panic buying Spain and Portugal were hardest hit. Gridlock everywhere. Flights canceled. And the chaos is still ongoing, especially with the flights, because you know how that is. And the store shelves looked like they were going out and getting French toast supplies ahead of a hurricane. But that renewable energy is – that's one of the big – people are pointing a lot of fingers at this. It's very similar to kind of Texas with its solar and wind, right? Because they've moved a lot to quote-unquote renewable energy. Parts of France, Belgium, and the Netherlands also suffered. Andorra also suffered outages. Red Electrica is Spain's electricity network provider. They've been very gradually restoring power to the country and to Portugal. And they said it was a very – the explanation was, quote, very strong oscillation in the electric network that caused their power system to disconnect from the European system. Cain, you're an audio technical dude. Yeah. That sounds like, I don't know, that sounds like word salad. Did Kamala write this? I'm curious.
SPEAKER 14 :
It does sound like Kamala wrote it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, so we're going to come back to this. We've got a lot of stuff to hit. I haven't even gotten to the tip of it because, oh my gosh, we've got, of course, the stuff happening in Congress. We have LNG talks. POTUS says also that they've secured deals, no details yet, that they have a bunch of deals with countries, trade deals already, that they are looking to implement here. Maybe we're going to get some more details about that coming up. So we're going to have all the latest on that also on deck today. Coming up, we have Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is going to be joining us in our second hour. And in our third hour, Congressman from Texas, Chip Roy. Why, yes, the two biggest red states that are fighting rhinos. Yes, yes, of course. And we'll continue with our red state rhino hunting. So a very packed show today. And we're going to dive deep into some of this green energy stuff as it as it relates to Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, etc. And we're also going to look at some of this Amazon and the budget battle in Congress. We have a lot to hit today as we move our partners that help bring you the program forward. If you work long hours and struggle to wind down at night, you're not alone. Tossing and turning and waking up exhausted doesn't have to be the norm. Beam Dream Powder helps you fall asleep faster, sleep soundly through the night, and wake up feeling refreshed. Beam Dream Powder is a clean, healthy nighttime blend made with ingredients backed by science. Reishi, magnesium, L-theanine, apigenin, and melatonin. Apigenin helps calm your body and your mind for rest. L-theanine supports a smooth transition into deep sleep. And reishi and melatonin work to improve REM sleep quality. Beam is proudly American-made and run by people who value hard work, integrity, and results. Supporting companies like this matters because they're doing things the right way. You'll love how Dream tastes, and it's easy to make and actually effective. Over 17.5 million nights of sleep have been improved with Beam, and yours could be next. Try it for yourself. Visit shopbeam.com slash danashow and use code danashow for 40% off of your first order. That's shopbeam.com slash danashow. Code danashow for better sleep.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, so now they're trying to tell you that these federal cuts to weather organizations like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, oh my gosh, it's going to negatively impact climate. I don't care about climate change. I don't care about climate change so bad. I actually care more about Nickelback than I care about climate change. It is a stupid theory of brain-dead zombies who are lazy and don't want to get off their fat, slovenly asses. And so they're trying to scare you about the planet melting so that you give up some of your money and shoot it to the sun, which is no more scientifically advanced than back in the day when people tossed virgins in volcanoes to make the fire gods happy. So tick off with all that stuff. I'm so done. Blah. If I was president, I would round up the climate change people. Oh, yeah. You don't want me. I'm glad we're all with the one ring. Not going to happen. I don't even care about this headline. I want to take that headline, print it out, and shoot some buckshot through it. All right, done. Six hours a day of sedentary behavior is linked to neck pain. You know what else is linked to neck pain? Climate change. So sedentary behavior, what does that mean? They said six hours of sedentary behavior a day is linked to neck pain. Stupid stories like this are linked to head pain. That's my other headline that's coming out. I don't know if you guys saw it. I don't know. This is like, duh. They spent money on this? Were they laundering money? That's the only thing I can think of. There was a jet that just fell off an aircraft carrier. Was there a cat on board? Like, what happened? Did a giant cat knock it off into the sea? A U.S. Navy F-A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet literally fell overboard. The U.S. says Harry S. Truman. I'm not going to ask if it was a woman driver. It was me. U.S. officials said that they indicated Truman made a hard right turn to evade Houthi fire. So there's a lot of stuff happening. So it wasn't because, you know, people were just kicking around. I mean, the Houthis were trying to kill them, OK? And they made a hard right turn. The jet fell off. Stay with us, our partners. over at all family pharmacies. This is one of my favorite, favorite people to work with. And not just because I'm actually a customer. It's like that hair club for men thing. Not only am I, I'm also the president. Well, I'm not the president, but I love what they do because medicines that you need, and especially those therapeutics that the government tried to prevent you from getting during lockdown are Well, they have all of it. They've got the ivermectin. They got the hydroxychloroquine. They have all of the antibiotics. They also have your everyday medications and they're affordable. It's simple and it's fast. If you don't have insurance, not an issue because they have very straightforward affordable pricing. Online ordering shipping is just two to four days. You can also do overnight in a pinch, which I have done before because, oh, my gosh, I was getting strut throat over Thanksgiving, thought I was going to die. And I'm like, I couldn't get to urgent care. There was a line like I got to get some. They got it to me overnight and I was immediately able to start getting better and still host Thanksgiving. It was amazing. And not infect everybody. It was so nice. All the other thing that I love is everything is made in the US. You can't. say that with other medications or the inputs from other medications. But you can say that with All Family Pharmacy. None of the stuff comes from either China nor India. It's all manufactured all from right here in the U.S. of A. So they have very high standards of quality and safety. Visit AllFamilyPharmacy.com slash Dana. Get 10% off with promo code Dana. Be prepared. Protect yourself and your family today with AllFamilyPharmacy.com slash Dana. Coupon code Dana10 to save 10%.
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SPEAKER 10 :
The first answer that comes to mind, Debra, is definitely tax cuts. The president is working closely with Congress as we speak. He met with leadership from both chambers. The administration met with leadership from both chambers yesterday to talk about how we can quickly pass the largest tax cuts in American history. And the president promised on the campaign trail he wanted no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security for our hardworking seniors, no tax on overtime pay. I need more. He intends to keep those promises.
SPEAKER 01 :
How about that?
SPEAKER 10 :
And he needs Congress's help to do so. That's why he's working closely with them.
SPEAKER 01 :
How about like just no taxes? have a graduated consumption tax. Because if you're doing, my only gripe with the no tax on tips is like you're shirting the busboys and the line cooks and all that stuff, you know, because that's not how, you know, not how they roll. So I get it. I mean, it's a tactic, but we need to go for it. But I love hearing them say that. I want more of this. Oh my gosh. Yes, big, beautiful, fatty, fat tax cuts. Oh my gosh, all day long. That's how we, that's how you make best friends, Cain. That's how you get that best friend gold card right there. Welcome back to the Dana show. It's humid as I'll get out in Texas. I feel like a fish. I feel like I need to grow gills. How do you people right on the Gulf live with that? I mean, your skin looks great, but oh my gosh, I'm dying a million deaths right now. I'm like, I can't even, can't breathe. No, I didn't mean to quote George Floyd. Okay. The, uh, what? So the big, beautiful tax cuts need those in my life. We need more of them. And as long as the administration continues messaging this, because even if they talk about it, the American people will file that away like, oh, I can expect this. Oh, we got taxes. I can expect some tax cuts. I can. OK, I can deal with this. And that that makes it a heck of a lot easier. And it also is the shot in the arm that we need. You know, it's the shot in the arm that these long suffering voters need. And continue cutting taxes, reduce spending. That's how you get good times. And we like good times, right? You want to have... I mean, I think we all deserve a little bit of a break. You know what I'm saying? Don't we all? We all deserve a little bit of a break here. Now, the Amazon thing... I agree with my friend Carol Roth, who you all know, she's on the show, made a really good point. If Amazon should show tariff costs because see the the White House went after them because they're showing the cost of tariffs along with their products. Amazon made this. They made this statement about this. And it's I get it. I don't necessarily think that it is. I don't think it was done maliciously. I do think that I mean, it's a great point to ask, well, why didn't why wasn't the inflation as well? Why was an inflation shown as well? But look, if Amazon and as Carol said, if they're going to take a. transparency or victory lap on transparency. They need to clean up their business. Get rid of your knockoffs. Get rid of the AI slot books, she said, and the free writing content and all the other garbage on their site. Otherwise, it's just a stunt. It is just a stunt. If they don't do that, it's a stunt. I don't buy it. And then I will believe that it's just a way that, you know, a tactic for them to try to screw the admin. I think it's fine to say, you know, if you go on Amazon, you can find like a whole Made in Italy section. Where's the Made in U.S. section? They have like a whole, literally, they have like the little Italian flag colors that they've got on Amazon. And you can go to it and click on it and it shows you all these Made in Italy products, right? There isn't one for the United States. Have you ever noticed that, Cain? You do stuff on Amazon. Yeah. There's not one like that for the US. That would be a great first step.
SPEAKER 14 :
You'd be lucky to run across one and it may say it in that product description, but I don't see a category.
SPEAKER 01 :
They do show you when you click on the individual products. Like if you go down and you look for... So, okay, full disclosure. You guys know that like I'm in brown today. This is the Easter pastel for me. So everything I have is black and I am a psycho about purchase. Like if I find something I like how I purchase it. I don't like I like watching fashion stuff, but I don't like doing it. I don't like figuring out outfits and what to wear for TV. That's why I'm like, oh, you guys get black because it's easy and I like it. So I there's this one. Guys, I'm sorry. Hold on. Hold on a second. There's a there's this one black tank top that I found on Amazon. Loved it. And it was made in Taiwan. Even better. Not made in China. I bought 10 of these things. They're like $7.99. And I just because when they because they do fade and the material makes it a little bit harder to dye in a top loader because that's what you can do to refresh your blacks. And and it clearly states when you look down, when you scroll down on this particular garment and you look down and it says, you know, where's it made and the fabric type and how do you wash it and all that? It'll tell you where it's made. But you got to scroll down. It's not it's not exactly hidden. It's just not right up there in your face. And then but even then, the Made in America article. you have to have assembled in America made in America. And I think that there are some of the shops that on Amazon that skirt the compliancy on that. So if you can get inputs from other countries and they can assemble it in the United States, but it's not necessarily all like from the United States, you know what I mean? So I think that they need a lot more transparency and they need to clean some of the stuff up. There's some garbage out there. I mean, uh, I would say over half of what's on Amazon is still garbage. I feel like, yes, they're a super successful business, but because they don't weed out the trash, it makes them... I don't know how to say it, Cain. It makes it less mid-high end even, right? I don't know how to put it. They need to clean up a lot of it. But a lot of those companies are China, Chinese. And they make a lot of money. Someone said that if they sell an item in their Amazon shop and it's like a $10 item, in fees, $7 of like every $10 goes to Amazon for fees. So they actually lose money on stuff. And a lot of people just end up closing shop. If you really want to buy Made in USA stuff and you like small business stuff, I'm telling you, Etsy is the way to go. Etsy is fantastic. You got all kinds of cool stuff on there. All homemade stuff. You can find exactly. You can literally nail it down to a region. It's great. It's really nice. Amazon's a heck of a lot harder. And then some stuff, it'll say made in the USA, but then that's a storefront that might be domiciled in the United States, but it's like based elsewhere, right? Overseas. So it's not, I know, it's not exactly forthright. So there's a lot of stuff there. But I don't want to see a war on Amazon. I want to see Amazon clean up its act. And I think that these people respond more to positive affirmation than negative affirmation. I mean, to be frank, but I love the talk on tax cuts because we need more of this. We're going to we have to we have to have this. Now, I've heard if you get my my email prep and there's been a lot of good stuff that's come out on over at Substack. My if you my newsletter, if you go sign up for that. Because if you get the prep email, you have this today. One of the things that POTUS revealed, or the White House revealed, this is per the Washington Times, Carrie Pickett, the United States has made 200 trade deals, but they have yet to name which nations are involved. And China, of course, is exempted from this 90-day pause on reciprocal tariffs, although they have the 145 on them. He says he's made he told Time magazine on Friday that, quote, I've made 200 deals, 100 percent. He didn't specify the terms of the countries, but he said over the next three to four weeks, once deliberations are finished, he's going to announce these deals now. I think that that is something that they need to constantly hammer. Every single time he's in front of a microphone, he needs to find a way to bring this up. If he finds a way to bring up, yeah, these deals, we just got another one. We're in the final stages of negotiation for this one. We got tax cuts coming. I think that buys them some time. And bear with me here, because I understand what's being done, but I need everyone else to understand how this is being interpreted by the polls, because you guys consume this stuff every day. Right. I mean, let's be honest. We're all kind of nerds. Right. That's why we're here every day. That's why we all and that's I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Not everybody else does that. Right. And not everybody else follows it as closely. So they're a little bit more susceptible to push polling than I would say other people are. So when they see this bad stuff with the economy, when they see the higher prices for certain items that have been hit with tariffs, they're factoring that in. They get one of these push polls and they're responding to it. And it's going to look bad. Right. That's why he's doing great on immigration. But some of the polling coming in on the economy is starting to get harsh. That was expected. Because we knew it was going to be a major realignment. That it was going to be a big shift and it wasn't going to be kittens in sunshine. And they were up front about that. They were up front about it. They said, look, they're going to be tough. That's why I was hoping the administration would go out and say, but follow me because there's a way out of it. It's bumpy, but we're going to come out on the other side. This is what we have to do for long-term sustainability and prosperity. And he needs to keep messaging that as well. But also put out there, yes, we got these deals. This is going to be in the final stages of negotiation because what that's going to do is buy him some more time so he can get these members of Congress in order. It's going to ease people's fears and concerns. They'll tell themselves internally, all right, I can hold out a little bit longer. I can do a little bit longer. And also, as we gear up for midterms, it's going to buy these lawmakers some more time. It's also going to ease the markets. Messaging is everything. You know, not all conflicts are military conflicts. Some of them are monetary. Some of them are spoken word. It's very simple. That's all they have to do and just control the narrative on this. And say, yeah, we're in the final stages of negotiation. He told this to Time, but this was on Friday. Cain, how often have you heard this interview? Have you even really heard of this interview a lot? No.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think there's an intention to that.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, obviously, because the media doesn't want the markets to ease. They don't want voters to have confidence. They don't want people to take a deep breath. They don't want any of that. They want chaos and fear. So he can do better what the media does in terms of just getting his message out there. Don't rely on the media to launder it. Go right to the people. And he just needs to keep saying this stuff. I mean, just as the left repeats a lie until they believe it and they repeat it over and over again, it's a communist tactic of trying to brainwash people. Just put the truth out there. Okay, yeah, we're making these deals and we're going to be announcing them. And don't just tell Time. You know, tweet it out. I tweet it out every damn day. Multiple times a day. Every time. To the point where people are tired of hearing of it. Because that buys some time. And that's what they need to be doing. And they, I mean, they gave an aggressive schedule when they were going to sign this stuff. He said, now, he also added, he goes, some countries may come back and ask for an adjustment and I'll consider that. But this is a major realignment and I get it. It has to be made. I know people are saying, oh, my gosh, the tech. Look, I agree with you on the sequencing. I think tax cuts should have come first. But this is where we're at. Regardless of what came first. Honestly, this is something that needs to be done because we're getting slapped around. One of our manufacturing, our ability to be self-sustaining is all affected by how much we're penalized to the nth degree by all of these other nations. And they're all weeping and gnashing of their teeth because we're demanding the same and equal treatment. That's something that the left used to love to say. Now they don't like to say it anymore. All right. A couple of other things that we're going to got to get into this. We talked about the rolling blackouts. over in Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, elsewhere. I mean, they've had a hard time. What gets me, I was looking at this, I was looking at a couple of things like climate realism, looking at some of the previous demands on the United States when everybody's been silent on China for climate demands. And then, of course, then reading about all of these EU nations. They did all of this stuff. Think about it, because it's kind of seeming like these blackouts and everything else are caused by their obsession with green energy and not having a backup. Did they even lower the Earth's temperature by one degree with all this? Oh, no. This is suicide. It's suicide to do this. Like in Texas, we were relying on wind and solar. And then we had these natural gas lines that were insulated. That was a big part of it. But wind and solar, the output wasn't what was promised. And so everybody found themselves in a bit of a pickle. It's suicide. It's virtue signaling for whom? And meanwhile, the biggest offenders, China and really India, but China, they get to go without any repercussions at all whatsoever. Why is the world so scared of China? That's a big question. It's our friends over at Burn a Gun. I always like to have diverse options, right? And you, I mean, you carry blades, you have different calibers. This is a great option for people who are thwarted from exercising their Second Amendment rights to their fullest because of municipal restrictions or because of private property restrictions, whatever it is. You want to still be able to protect yourself. I mean, we've seen the crime statistics and you've seen what Soros-backed restorative justice has done to recidivism and to the crime rate in numerous cities. So the Burna gun is a popular go-to for people who want to diversify their weapons array and still make sure that they have a form of protection. The Burna SD is the most popular model. It has a five-round capacity. It shoots chemical irritant projectiles. Quick deployment, easy target acquisition, no recoil. And it's legal in all 50 states. No background checks, no permits. It ships right to your door. So it's super accessible for everyone. And like I've said prior, it shoots chemical irritant projectiles that can deter threats from up to 50 feet away. Now, the SD is the best-selling model. They have other ones. I would recommend the SD for this particular purpose of self-defense. But you can visit Brenna.com slash Dana. B-Y-R-N-A dot com slash Dana. Get 10% off your purchase. That's Brenna.com slash Dana.
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SPEAKER 08 :
This current climate for me, it's what's happening to immigrants. So it's not the fear for myself anymore. I drive around in a four-car motorcade with a police escort. I'm Michelle Obama. I do still worry about my daughters in the world, even though they are somewhat recognizable. So my fears are for what I know is happening out there in streets all over the city. And now that we have leadership that is sort of indiscriminately determining who belongs and who doesn't. And we know that those decisions aren't being made with courts and with due process and, you know, that it's being made like this cop. That pulled my brother over when he was 12.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, my gosh. You go back to your 12 year old brother. Just for the love. You know what? I would take her a lot more seriously if she was just this concerned about the indiscriminate deportations that happened under her husband, who, by the way, love it or hate it. Barack Obama deported more people than Donald Trump. And he also droned the hell out of Americans overseas. Oh, wait a minute. What? You mean indiscriminate? Yeah, one of them was a kid. Wasn't one of them also a 12-year-old boy that he droned at a cafe? I didn't hear Michelle Obama talk about how upset she was over that then. She didn't object to it. Oh, but now, oh, because, see, it's somebody different. It's because it's Trump that's in the White House, and now she has... Now she has objections. Oh, yeah. They like what was it? How many do they it was over two million people that he deported. It was a lot, a lot of people that he deported. But and he also started the kids in cages program because so many people were coming over. They couldn't vet that these kids were being brought by family members. So they separated them to check first. She wasn't upset then either. Stick with a second hour on the way. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will join. Gold prices have surged over 40 percent since January 2024, consistently reaching new highs. According to Goldman Sachs research, the upward trend is expected to persist due to strong demand from central banks. It's stuff like this that's made me take action and why I've bought precious metals like gold and silver. I've partnered with a great company that makes it super easy to buy. Easy, transparent, and simple. And that company is Goldco. They're a huge supporter of this show and they're the best at what they do. And right now you can get a free 2025 gold and silver kit jam-packed with critical information about buying precious metals. It was a huge help, not just for me, but to all of you if you do this. And for my audience, you could also qualify for up to a 10% instant match in bonus silver. It's a really great deal. So don't miss out. Visit DanaLikesGold.com to learn more. That's DanaLikesGold.com. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the top of the second hour. You can listen all across the country. The stream's at Channel 347. We've been talking, well, a few things. Red state rhino hunting. We focus on Texas and Florida because both states, God love them, beautiful states. One's my backup state. Got a lot of family in both. And I have no idea what's up with some of the the Republican in name only folks. And also, can I just say one of the states has the most conservative governor on God's green earth. I don't know of any other governor who has been more conservative. I mean, it's like kind of Calvin Coolidge 2.0. And has done such a great job governing the state of Florida. And yet you have a group of, I don't know, red tag rhino bums that are just trying to undercut everything that he's done. It's humid and I have sinus issues in Texas today, guys. So I'm like really feeling myself right now. And he's joining us right now via video, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who I know he's in the middle of a budget battle, but we always like checking in with him, seeing where everything is. You know, I'm feeling out my backup state governor. It's good to have you. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 07 :
We're doing good. You know, I've been talking recently about this Operation Tidal Wave that we're doing with the federal government on immigration enforcement. We're going to have more details about that later in the week. But it is the biggest deportation sweep that the federal government has done since President Trump has taken office. And it's being done in conjunction with all of Florida's state agencies, as well as the relevant local agencies. And you remember when I was on your program back in January, I had called a special session of the Florida legislature to do, among other things, impose a duty on all state and local agencies to not just we're not a sanctuary state. We banned that my first year as governor. But you can't just sit on your hands. You've got to actively cooperate and participate in immigration enforcement efforts and the leadership. in the Florida House of Representatives rejected that. They said it wasn't necessary that we could get around to it at the regular session. And we obviously fought over that. The voters demanded action and we eventually were able to land the plane. But all the stuff we've been doing with all the immigration enforcement over these last few months. None of that would have happened, you know, had they got their way. So I'm pleased with the success. I mean, I think if you look, President Trump just finished 100 days. Clearly, the securing the border has been a huge, huge success. I think it's the biggest drop in border crossings In American history, it's down to 98 percent, secure 99, depending on the statistics, which is great. So the invasion has been stopped. But then I think the question is, well, Biden had the floodgates open for four years, and that's on top of millions of illegals who were here anyways. And so you have to be able to deal with that. The only way I think you're going to be able to make a big dent in it is if you have that state and local cooperation. Because there just aren't enough ICE agents right now in the federal government to get the type of numbers we need. In Florida, they already announced the first kind of part of Tidal Wave 800. A lot of these people were under active deportation orders. Some of them were convicted of crime. Some of them were known gang members. I think you're going to see those numbers updated. I look forward to providing that information very soon. But that's what it's going to take. And so we're leading the way on that to support the Trump administration's efforts. If we can't do it now, When are we ever going to get it done?
SPEAKER 01 :
And this is exactly how it should have gone. It reminds me under the Obama Biden DOJ when they were going after Governor Jim Brewer out in Arizona and they they caught her up in all kinds of lawfare and prevented her from doing. I don't even think that it was going as far as what you're doing in Florida with state and local agencies. But she wasn't allowed to do anything. And of course, that established this precedent where nobody could do anything. So now you're able to actually exercise your state sovereignty and use these utilize these local agencies to the extent that they're meant to be used.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, although, you know, the thing about it is that these blue states, I mean, it's kind of a heads they win, tails we lose, because when you have a Biden, he just throws out his constitutional oath to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. He doesn't enforce immigration law. And so if you live in like a California or even Florida at the time, you have no federal enforcement effectively. Well, now that you have President Trump who's willing to do it, what California or New York will do is they say they're a sanctuary jurisdiction. And so somehow they can nullify the enforcement of federal law. So if you have a Democrat president in there, he will just simply not enforce. But then if you have a Republican who's serious about it, then somehow the blue states can simply opt out of that. That is not the way the founding fathers drew this up. I think Congress, really needs to get serious about conditioning funding to the states on the condition that they participate in immigration enforcement efforts. So if you're a sanctuary city, a sanctuary state, you will be defunded of federal grants. And if you do that, I think you would change the behavior. But Congress has not been willing to use the power of the purse. And so a lot of these blue states are able to get away with flagrantly undermining federal law enforcement.
SPEAKER 01 :
I want to point out, too, for those who are just tuning in, we're talking to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. When you're talking about arresting and deportation, I want to give people the size of some of these operations that you have under Operation Tidal Wave. I saw this tweet just a couple of days ago from ICE, and they talked about how it's the first of its kind partnership, just as you described, 800 illegal aliens, just the first four days of one week. In four days, 800. That is a staggering amount.
SPEAKER 1 :
800.
SPEAKER 01 :
They said it was a massive multi-agency immigration enforcement crackdown. And I mean, that's just one. That was just one operation.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that operation is ongoing. So that'll be updated. We're working with DHS. We're going to do a public announcement together probably sometime in the middle or to the end of the week. So stay tuned on that. But I think the results will be even more significant. And of course, we have people on the ground at the state level. and at the local level that are absolutely critical in these efforts. Because if you think about it, like our highway patrol, if you have an illegal driving drunk on the road, they get pulled over. Under Biden, if we called ICE, basically they wouldn't come get them, right? Now, not only will the Trump administration accept, they've deputized our folks to exercise immigration enforcement powers. So our highway patrol can take the illegal, transport them to ICE, and be a part of that effort to get them off the streets. So it's working well in Florida. We're going to continue to do more. We're also in a position where We have really good emergency response and management in Florida. And so we obviously have to deal utilize that when we have hurricane response. But we also use that, for example, during COVID when they had the monoclonal antibodies, we set up clinics and people got treatments and we used our emergency management folks to do that. So likewise on immigration, we actually have proposals that we'll be able to hopefully get approval from the feds to do where we can do a lot of this independently and then bring the illegals to Gitmo or wherever they want us to bring them and be even more significant. So hopefully we'll be able to take it to the next level. I know that ICE has not, they don't really have the adequate funding. I know they just did a continuing resolution. I don't think that was enough. So we'll see what happens. But, yeah, we're on the tip of the spear here in Florida. And if you think about it, of all the issues that animated the 2024 election, this was certainly near the top if it wasn't the top.
SPEAKER 01 :
It was. And it's Operation Tidal Wave. And I'll clarify for folks, that's one operation under one giant ongoing operation. So you have all of these different elements. These these different partnerships. And then this is just this was just one crackdown under under Operation Tidal Wave. I wanted to ask you, too, because we were talking about immigration enforcement and budget and all the stuff that the state does. I wanted to ask you about Hope Florida. I've been following this pretty closely, and I think that this is such an amazing partnership between state and local governments. organizations you know charitable organizations where you have people partnering with the governor your wife first lady of florida casey desantis spearheaded this and it it really it eliminates honestly government involvement you're saving taxpayers you know millions and millions of dollars you're eliminating government resources by empowering these you know these these private charities and people who want to do charitable work by meeting these people where they are and empowering them and empowering families. I mean, that's that to me is the whole conservative goal. But as you know, Governor, you know, there are some people in Tallahassee and that state legislature that don't like it because it squeezes out special interest kickbacks and it squeezes out their ability to. to ring these programs of all the cash that they can. And so I feel like there's been some pretty unkind and unfair attacks on the Florida first lady. And I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts on that, if you have some.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, no question. Well, you know how this business works. They smear what they fear. So this is all manufactured and orchestrated. But if you look at Hope, Florida, and this was something that the first lady developed on her own. She didn't need to do it. She's never gotten one red cent for all the stuff she's done for the state over this period of time. She just does it because she believes in it. But what it really represents is a frontal assault on the LBJ war on poverty approach where You'd create bureaucracies. The goal, the responsibility of the bureaucrat was to try to get people in need on as many government programs as possible and then keep them on those programs indefinitely. Well, we know that doesn't broaden people's horizons. That creates a vicious cycle of dependency. And so Casey's insight was, OK, rather than have these bureaucrats serve that function, why don't we have these bureaucrats be what we call hope navigators? where they are familiar with the resources that are in our communities, particularly with the faith-based community, also private charity, local businesses, even individual volunteers. And so she's been able to enlist thousands and thousands of churches and businesses around Florida they participate in the HOPE program through what's called the care portal. So if you have a single mom who maybe got evicted from an apartment and she's got two young kids, she can go and yes, she can go to the government office and maybe there's something that they give, but what they put her in the care portal, guess what's going to happen usually a church or a charity or someone will come and fill that need and so what you've done by doing that is you're really showing people in need and navigating them to all the resources that are available it's help finding help but help that is going to actually lift people up and get them on a pathway to self-sufficiency this program has been fully instituted. They've gotten 30,000 people off of government assistance and they've saved taxpayers $106 million. And so that is a model that we're looking to expand across other agencies in the state of Florida and then expand into specific areas like helping families that have children with unique ability and then also helping with childcare because we think there's a lot of churches and faith organizations who are wanting to be enlisted in the childcare space. And if you think about it, if you have like a single mom that she has to put food on the table, looking at the kids, that's a huge component of it. Childcare is very expensive. So we're gonna have more announcements coming up very shortly, but it's been a remarkably successful program. how it should work something that people realize it's successful people realize that she's done a good job and there's some people that don't like it obviously the left and some of these liberal media they don't like the fact that florida enlists the faith-based community but we have other states come to try to learn about hope florida and even mimic it and what we found is liberal states once they know you're using utilizing the faith community
SPEAKER 01 :
They don't want to be involved at that point. I have two other things I want to ask you about, Governor, too. And I apologize because we're I wish I could keep you for the whole hour. It'd be great. I have so many things I'd love to ask you. I wanted to ask you real quick there. There's one lawmaker who was talking about taking Florida to the next level after the where does Florida I mean, how can Florida go to the next level after you were in the governor's office? I mean, where do they go to the moon? Like where what what does that mean?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we've had since I became governor, we've had almost a 40 percent increase in our GDP. Second, most of all, 50 states. We've paid down 41 percent of our state's total debt for 180 year history. We paid it down. We have the lowest per capita amount of government employees at the state level per capita in the entire country. We've cut taxes by billions of dollars. Registered And that's the universal school choice. We took on the woke in higher education. We took on woke corporations. We've done what people wanted us to do. And that's why when I became governor, there were almost 300,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans. Now we have 1.2 million more registered Republicans. You didn't get that, Dana, by offering pale pastels. We got that because we drew a sharp contrast with the left. People knew that Republicans under my leadership, we protect your kids from gender insanity in the elementary school and all the schools. They knew that we were not going to let rioters take over our streets or our cities, that we were going to be a law and order state. They knew all these things. And that's why people have responded, not just by moving to Florida, but people like in Miami-Dade who used to be independents or Democrats switching over to Republican in record numbers.
SPEAKER 01 :
I have one last quick question for you. I have under 60 seconds. Are you and Tucker friends? You and Tucker Carlson. Are you guys you guys seem to.
SPEAKER 07 :
We were when he had his Fox show. You know, when he lost the Fox show, I kind of lost track of what he was doing. You know, he was talking about hunting. I think he was saying that that I signed an anti-Semitism bill, which shows somehow I'm controlled by donors. I'm thinking to myself. This was like a unanimous bill that passed. I don't know that donors were even involved in it. So some of this stuff is just bizarre. But I'll let people say what they want. What I don't want to do is give anyone grist for the mill to try to increase their engagement or anything like that.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, there you go. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, always a pleasure to talk with you. Great success in Florida. Love the state. We vacation there quite a bit. We appreciate it. Governor, we'll love to have you back. Thanks so much. We'll talk again soon.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thanks so much. Take care.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
This is not a media failure. This is a failure of the Democratic Party. And I just sort of the virtue signaling that some people have done to try to say that the media missed this story. They didn't miss this story.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, no.
SPEAKER 06 :
David Ignatius wrote, I just refuse to accept this stupid premise because it's a right wing manufactured right wing premise in order to to stain the media. The media has got plenty of things to attack them for. And there are MSNBC and CNN.
SPEAKER 01 :
I can't be quiet anymore. First off, that's nonsense. And as Cain noted, Democrats in the media are the same thing. They are. But what's more, no, you guys didn't ignore the story. No, I actually disagree with that. I agree. I don't think that Democrats ignored the story or sorry, the media ignored the story, Cain. No, they saw it and they ran the other way. They went out of their way to not report on it. So it's not that they ignored it. They just omitted it because they're a bunch of lying rat bastards. That's why we all know this. Like, it's a big right wing. It's what? What's right wing? The fact that you guys defended him when he would fall upstairs. Oh, no, that's just his stutter. Where the hell did that narrative come from? Because it sure as hell didn't come from the right wing. Oh, my gosh. Joe Biden fell up the stairs. Normally one falls down and he fell up them. How dare you make fun of his stutter? What? With his feet? Does it make any sense? Or when he would say things that are totally not even true. He would talk about people who were dead that he talked to the other day. It's like, no, no, that's no, that's pretty much not a right. That's not a stutter. And it's not a right wing narrative. You can't tell us that the stuff that we saw with our ear or eyes and heard with our ears that it's a right wing narrative. I mean, everybody saw this. Democrats saw it, too. And here's the other reason why I also say the Democrats themselves, they would ignore it. To a point, but they ended up, they didn't want to go vote for him. They didn't want him. And then the whole party had to go to Kamala Harris and switch him out. I mean, it's just crazy. It's just absolutely insane. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We got Congressman Chip Roy is going to be coming up next hour as well. And this, a couple of things to touch on. So first and foremost, on the Amazon thing, We were talking about how Amazon, it was reported where, and it was Punchbowl News that said this. And I read this this morning over, I saw this at Punchbowl this morning. They were saying that Amazon is going to display the tariff costs for consumers. Where do they get their sourcing? Because Amazon is now, is denying this report. Let me pull this up. This is over at USA Today. Now Amazon is saying, no, Punchbowl News, that's not right. They said that Punchbowl cited an unnamed source that they're going to have the increase in prices caused by tariffs next to the products. They but it was even what's more, it was even underscored by Caroline Leavitt, who said that she got off the phone with the president of Amazon and she said it was a hostile and political act by Amazon. But then the spokesperson of Amazon said, that's not true. So what is it? Are they Amazon's trying to, I guess, clarify that?
SPEAKER 14 :
I was under the impression when I saw that conference this morning, the presser, that when she said she got off the phone with the president, she was referring to Trump and that they were responding to that rumor. I didn't get that apparently she got off the phone with Bezos.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I don't think she was because he's not even in charge of Amazon anymore.
SPEAKER 14 :
But I mean, my impression was that she talked to President Trump about it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Let's pause all here for a moment. I would like to think that if you're a business, you wouldn't be responded to so publicly if you knew or if it was known that you weren't doing this and it was unconfirmed. You see what I'm saying? Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Which is why I think she had to talk with President Trump as opposed to anyone from Amazon.
SPEAKER 01 :
But she said that it was a hostile and political act, which I don't necessarily agree with. But I do think, is it disingenuous if they were going to do it, if they didn't do it for inflation? Yeah, but it's also stupidly disingenuous to not accurately note, like, okay, this is legit made in China and this isn't. So apparently... I guess POTUS called Bezos. Although Bezos, he's not really involved in Amazon anymore. Because didn't he sell basically the daily operations of that? I can't remember. But he did. He's like removed from that. But apparently... And that's why it's so weird that they would... That's why I don't think that it's a political act. Because they donated a million. Now granted, you can make it a tax write-off, I think, to some extent. However it's structured. To an extent. And... To the inaugural – for the inaugural party and he was there. They were there a couple of different times. He was at Mar-a-Lago. I mean that's definitely not the – I don't think that that's the association, the level of association you would see if someone is going to do something like this later. I don't know. But they – Amazon spokesperson said the move wasn't considered for the main Amazon site, but for Amazon Hall. And then they sent CNN a statement. This was less than an hour ago, saying that it was not approved and not going to happen. Can I just pause? What the hell is Amazon Hall? What is that? Steve, do you know what Amazon Hall is?
SPEAKER 14 :
Is it H-A-U-L?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, H-A-U-L.
SPEAKER 14 :
No. No.
SPEAKER 01 :
So Amazon haul. I have no idea what I've never even heard of this. Is it like Amazon, but more nerd? I don't know. What is it? We don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Larger items from Amazon that require hauling. I don't know.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I don't know. Is it like wholesale? Maybe it's like wholesale stuff. I feel like I need to be a better consumer at this point to know about it, right? I'm like, how do I not know about those?
SPEAKER 14 :
What I'm seeing here is, is this the regular hyperbole that we see from the media? Let's say there was a rumor that got to the Trump administration that said Amazon's considering doing these tariff numbers by their items. And then Trump's like, well, I'm going to get on the phone with Bezos and find out if this is true or not. And so Trump calls. And all this, the reporting is, Trump is, you know, he actually is complaining to Bezos. They're just, the hyperbole from the media is what I think is muddying this thing up.
SPEAKER 01 :
It is. And I think some of the hyperbole, although, I mean, so if they're saying that it was supposed to be That it was being considered for Amazon Hall and not Amazon. And they said it was never approved and not going to happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
And let's consider the fact that this was an unnamed source that got all of this started. Have we seen something like that before? Where an unnamed source starts this big media frenzy and it turns out to be nothing?
SPEAKER 01 :
Here's Amazon Hall. I asked AI.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, well, here we go.
SPEAKER 01 :
Amazon haul is a new shopping experience on the Amazon app and website that focuses on budget-friendly products, primarily items reduced at $20 or less.
SPEAKER 05 :
So it's the cheap stuff.
SPEAKER 01 :
Cheap Chinese stuff. Just call it the CCS, cheap Chinese stuff. That's what it is. All right. So, okay. I didn't know what that was. I didn't know it was a whole thing. Oh, interesting. I mean, how is that different from Amazon? Acquiring minds want to know. I don't know. How is it different?
SPEAKER 14 :
And just so you know, it's not that we impose this big tariff on China. It's always been China's giant tariff on us. The reciprocal nature of Trump's policies are what is the issue. So China's next move, which, by the way, they cannot sustain what they're doing right now, is to come back to the table and negotiate a fair tariff or eliminate it completely.
SPEAKER 01 :
You know what's kind of funny, though? Because... In all of the debates between the right and left that I've seen on this, people are like, well, why didn't they do this? It's Biden's inflation. Can we just admit that both of these things increase prices? The media is accidentally having to admit. We've always said, look, the tariff thing is going to be tough. It's a tactic to equalize the playing field. That's not what's being debated. I mean, you're going to have to take a tough move like that. I wanted tax cuts to come first. That's my big thing. But what I said, this is going to hurt for a little bit. People don't have the spine for it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Do you want the permanent pain of Biden policies or do you want the temporary pain of the Trump policies?
SPEAKER 01 :
No, but my point is the media is actually having to admit that Biden's inflation raised prices.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and we're seeing already inflation year over year is down significantly.
SPEAKER 01 :
These people are clowns. Oh, my gosh. Sometimes when I sit here and try to understand and process like I'm like Democrats were are argue. It's weird how they argue things from a certain perspective, because I feel like they're they in order to score a win on someone that they think is a politically ideological opponent. They are admitting something that they were denying forever as as a get. It just is it feel like you're refereeing drunk people. When I talk, I feel like I'm refereeing a drunk person. Like I'm babysitting a drunk. That's what it feels like. Whenever I'm trying to dive in and understand what the hell you people on the left are talking about. It's like I'm the sober friend at the social get-together, and I'm babysitting a room full of drunks, which is chaos. It's just what it's like. Yeah, it's... Boy, I'm telling you. All right, a couple of things that I missed. We're going to get into coming up red state rhino hunting, so we're going to have all of that coming up. Where's this at? Okay. I saw this headline recently. that i i don't it's washington post it's a washington post headline and i saw this headline and i want to give you how it states and then i i do think it's interesting now that some of the polling is kicking in and then you have these headlines coming out that i i'm glad that the admin is starting to put more pressure on the tax cut stuff which is great and i love that This is Washington Post. Public sours on Musk's role is skeptical that government is cutting waste. All right. So here's a new crack they think they found. And it said, here's the first graph. And that's all you need to know. They said that I didn't look at their poll. It's a Walpo ABC poll. I didn't look at it because I don't put a lot of stock in the ABC stuff. I'm being honest. They said Americans are increasingly critical of Elon Musk's role in the admin. They said that there are some negative reactions to cuts and they're skeptical that he's cutting waste and fraud. OK, well. I need the left to pick a lane. They're either mad that he's not cutting enough or cutting anything, or they're mad that he has the authority to do so, which he doesn't. So which is it? He doesn't have the authority to do it. All he can do is audit it, recommend it to Congress, and then they do it. But do you see what's happening here? And this is what I had on my rundown. This is exactly how I have it on my show rundown for today. When Republicans fail to pass meaningful economic reform, this is going to happen. And everyone's going to throw him under the bus. So the big spenders that are in Congress that are dragging their feet on meaningful economic reform, the big spending Bush leagues... They're going to drag this out and then the public is going to say, well, wait, what is all this show about Doge then? What's this show about him actually cutting spending, etc., etc.? ? And then they're going to question the validity of Doge. And then from there, it's just going to make them angrier and angrier. And it's going to they're going to try to they're trying to inflame passions and create a chasm. That's the goal here. So. The longer it takes and it's not just, you know, obviously all of Democrats, but there are a couple of there are some Republicans that I mean, let's be honest there. They are the pork barrel Republicans. I mean, we know people like this and they're not just in the House or in the Senate. Right. They're the ones who also are insider trading people. We're going to talk about that in a minute. But they like bringing home the bacon to their district. And it's a it's a real thing. The longer this drags out, the more that they're going to be able to use Musk as like the avatar for everything that's wrong. They want a scalp. The left wants a scalp. They really want Musk's. And out of all of this, I think ultimately the pressure is more on Republicans in Congress than it is on anybody else in this. Because Trump is doing everything that he can. Musk has done everything that he can. Now these other people need to do their part. And it has to happen and it needs to happen soon. So I'm glad to see that they're starting to really put that, really call them out at press conferences. It needs to continue happening. But If people don't see cuts, they're going to wonder what Doge is about and what's been happening this whole time. And you know there's going to be some independents that don't follow it as closely as we all do, and I get it. They're going to ask these questions. I've seen the amazing changes Relief Factor has made for so many people, and I've seen it firsthand through my husband Chris's pain relief from using Relief Factor. 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SPEAKER 03 :
Americans of every background should be elated that Elon Musk's Doge is finding millions of dollars of wasted taxpayer funds.
SPEAKER 04 :
The Doge team has found hundreds of billions of dollars in fraudulent spending. I mean, Social Security payments made to people who have been dead for a long time. Unemployment benefits being paid to people who aren't born yet. To me, those things would be, I would imagine, celebrated pretty much universally.
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SPEAKER 14 :
It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, my gosh. All right. So here's the headline. Florida Man dressed as Ronald McDonald wrestled to the ground by cops saying, quote, I am a clown, stupid. Is that his actual mugshot? I think so. So he's a white dude with dreadlocks. You know how I feel about that. He's got real messed up teeths. Okay. They're not teeth at that point. They're teeths. Yeah. When it's the color of honey, you got teeths. So apparently, so the story is body cam footage has a Florida man being busted while dressed as Ronald McDonald in a scuffle. Oh, my gosh. He's 40. Christopher Marlowe. This guy's he's 40. Oh, wow, dude. He looks like Jeff Lebowski. He's he's 40. He was dressed as the McDonald's character. Bright yellow, red, white costume, big nose. He was trespassing at a shopping center. Palm Bay police were called and they had to wrestle him to the ground. And he was told by one of their arresting officers, you look like a clown. And he yelled back, no redacted. I am a clown, stupid. But they were cited for trespass at the shopping plaza once, this guy. And he went back and then he got in trouble again. So he was taken into custody.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's a hard 40. You sure it didn't say he's in his late 40s?
SPEAKER 01 :
No, dude. It said he's 40. I know, right? I'm like, what? Can we talk about a dude who, I saw this, I think it was Vegas Larry that sent this to me. The man wrangling, brand new, this is a new one. I think we've seen this guy before, a barefoot alligator wrestler. So he was there to go and get this gator off the road. And it was on Sunday. It was a giant alligator. Dude was barefoot. I think he was in camo shorts and barefoot. And he was, he wrestled that gator in true Florida man style and got it off the highway. Barefoot. That's impressive. Third hour next. Stick with us. If you work long hours and struggle to wind down at night, you're not alone. Tossing and turning and waking up exhausted doesn't have to be the norm. Beam Dream Powder helps you fall asleep faster, sleep soundly through the night, and wake up feeling refreshed. Beam Dream Powder is a clean, healthy nighttime blend made with ingredients backed by science. Reishi, magnesium, L-theanine, apigenin, and melatonin. Apigenin helps calm your body and your mind for rest. L-theanine supports a smooth transition into deep sleep. And reishi and melatonin work to improve REM sleep quality. Beam is proudly American-made and run by people who value hard work, integrity, and results. Supporting companies like this matters because they're doing things the right way. You'll love how Dream tastes, and it's easy to make and actually effective. Over 17.5 million nights of sleep have been improved with Beam, and yours could be next. Try it for yourself. Visit shopbeam.com slash danashow and use code danashow for 40% off of your first order. That's shopbeam.com slash danashow. Code danashow for better sleep.
SPEAKER 09 :
We are once again at one of those hinge moments of history. Our old relationship with the United States. A relationship based on steadily increasing integration is over. The system of open global trade anchored by the United States, a system that Canada has relied on since the Second World War, a system that, while not perfect, has helped deliver prosperity for a country for decades, is over.
SPEAKER 01 :
Gosh, he just even looks like a Davos stooge. That's Mark Carney. He's, I mean, he's taken over after... Justin Trudeau, those elections yesterday, and he's the new PM. And I just, you know, in looking at this, it's unfortunate. I just can't believe that this is what they chose in Canada. Not everybody, but, you know, the liberals in Canada, they wanted some more of this. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash here with you. We're at the top of this third hour. Says, oh, the old relationship with the U.S. is over. Oh, yeah. I mean, this guy, he, when you look at, I don't think Carney, from what I understand, Carney has never been in elected office before. And his political acumen is just horse feces. It is. And he's, you know, he's a woke globalist. He's the exact type of dude that you do not want running an ally or a neighbor to the north. He's I he was what governor of the Bank of England from 2013 to 2020. He was very anti Brexit from what I understand. He just he's just one of those. He's just one of those guys. He's he's a he's a Justin Trudeau like and all in that same vein. All of these guys, they're all like the they all came from the same cookie cutter factory. Right. They all look the same. They act the same. They say the same thing. They have the same technocrat, you know, globalist kind of worldview speech approach. And this was the last thing the Canadians needed. But, you know, in four years, we'll see. We'll see what else happens. But I don't know. In the meantime, we're in our first 100 days here with this administration. And we've got some really good things. We've got the closed border. We have really good action on immigration. These are all really good, but we are going to need we're going to need some more. I'm not the only one saying that. I think I've been saying it the longest, but I'm not the only one saying it. We have to have some serious reform. And I saw a headline yesterday. Something like Republicans in Congress need to act or it's going to be more show than dough, which I like. I like that saying it flowed nicely. But Congress has to back up Doge. And by backing up Doge, you're backing up POTUS. And if you're not backing up Doge, you're not backing up POTUS. And I think a lot of these people out here, I'm going to tell you, instead of getting into these stupid slap fights over primary stuff from 2016, people need to be spending, if they're truly actually America first, they need to be spending their time and their attention on this. These rhinos in Congress who are dragging their feet at this. Honestly, I mean, I kind of wonder if we if we had somebody other than Mike Johnson, would we be getting some more of this done? Yes, we've got a razor thin majority. But how in the world? Think about it like this. How in the world does that matter? How in the world does that matter at this point? When you saw what the results of last election were, why did everybody go and vote the way that they did? Why does the right have this newfangled coalition that it barely knows how to manage? It's because people were tired of inflation. They were tired of the woke scold. They were tired of lawless, total unfettered chaos and disorder at the border. Those three things drove everybody to vote the way that they did. So why in the world are we not doubling down on that and expanding on that and making and delivering on promises immediately? Because Trump, honestly, he's done everything that he can do in terms of. reducing the size and scope of government. He can do a million things with executive order. He's had more executive orders, I think, probably even more than LBJ at this point in his term, I think. And where's the legislation? You know, I mean, it should be boom, done. This is codified. Boom, done. This is codified. Boom, done. Boom. Over and over. That's what it should be like. And If we had people in D.C. who are a little bit better at messaging, you can't tell me that you could not bend some of these weaker purple Democrats over a barrel and get them to support this stuff. I don't believe you couldn't. I don't believe you couldn't. You know why? How crazy would it be if you were able to get some of these Democrats to go along with tax cuts and that? Why not have POTUS like now this is going to sound crazy. Now, keep in mind, these are Democrats from areas that are, you know, purple where you're probably not going to have a good Republican candidate in those areas. Doesn't mean you shouldn't cede the ground. But I think you got to look at it like a give and take. Right. I've been watching too much mob land. You got to work. You got to look at it like a give and take. OK, you did that for me. Maybe I'll rally for you because you gave us tax cuts. Right. You did something for me. You know, you take care of the Harrigans, the Harrigans take care of you. One of those things, you know? I'm like, why can't you do that? It's a little Machiavellian, yeah, but does it get the job done? That's the whole point. Does it get the job done? Does it get what you want? Does it get you closer to the end zone? That's the whole point. And if that's not your point, what are you doing? And if those moves are not getting you to where you need to go, what are you doing? Everybody in every issue that is a distraction, I feel like should be dragged out at this point. Our time is even shortened now. Already after the first 100 days. Congress holds the power of the person. That's great. And the executive branch, their legitimacy comes from having this mandate of the people. Congress represents the individual constituents, right? They all derive their legitimacy and authority from us. We've given them the authority to do that. They can legitimately act in doing this. They need to have it done. And, you know, this, I really think that lawmakers need to kind of, I know that they're trying to look at their localities and do the best thing for their district while balancing that with the needs of national interests. But at this point, we're right on the on the cliff. What are we like 30 something trillion in debt? Something to that point. I can't even imagine that amount of money. That's insane. I think by the end of this year, we're going to be I read I think it was over at Wall Street Journal that we're going to be near 40 trillion in debt. And it's going to grow. Either Congress is going to change it or our economy is going to collapse. That's why these moves are so drastic. Like with trade and manufacturing, these tariffs, it's a short-term tactic to just try to get us to some equilibrium, to where we can be in a position to start onshore in our manufacturing and our production, all this stuff. And it's a drastic move. And I have said going into this that there are a lot of people that are not going to have the stomach for it. That's why you got to be out there. Populism is a tactic. It's not a set of beliefs, but it requires that you be in front of people regularly. So Trump is going to be busy rallying in Michigan. That's smart. Oh, man, I hope he hammers tax cuts. If you get Trump out there to rally, you get Trump out there in front of the camera talking about tax cuts and throwing it in Democrats faces. He can for he can shame them and he can force them into acting or at least force them to feel the pressure of the people in their district who withdrew their support of the Democrat and went to go support Republicans. Presidents as as much as as much authority as they have in the executive office, they are still limited in how much spending they can cut. They're incredibly limited. I mean, even some of the EOs have a shelf life. I think it was through rescissions previously that some Republican presidents have tried to get a handle on spending. But you've seen what happens when Trump tries to stop already spending that Congress has passed appropriations bills to secure. So appropriated spending, when Trump moves to stop that, the courts intervene. That's what we're seeing with some of this stuff. So the executive branch, not just Trump in particular, but the executive branch is limited on how much spending they can cut and the shelf life of EOs that dictate it. And it doesn't even matter. And I know some people will say, and I can argue because I can say it myself, but yeah, but this appropriation was stupid. Oh, I agree. Some of the appropriations are incredibly stupid. But it goes through Congress. That's how it works. It's not a bug. It's a feature of the system. That's how it works. And so he he can make he can propose these reforms. He has, you know, an auditing system, basically. And every time they cut the appropriated spending, they're challenged in the courts when they don't. They're challenged in the courts for everything. Congress has to act. Otherwise, it's all theater. He is at the limit of what he can do. He's done everything you said he's going to do. You can love him or hate him, but he's done it. Agree with it or not, he's done it. Now, where's Congress? That's the issue. And like I was saying earlier, you know, the headline that I had last hour, how they're targeting Musk saying, oh, you know, Musk, you know, people are wondering if Doge is all show. Lorraine and I were talking on Slack. She was like, well, and I because I had said they want to scout. And she noted, yeah, they can't get Trump or they want Musk. That's exactly right. They can't get Trump. They're going to go after Musk. Let me tell you something else that's that's on deck. Who is that guy? That Indian lawmaker came. Let me pull. his thing up he is sri thanadar yeah what state is he out of michigan michigan so this guy they're already talking about he he wants to already start impeachment which is stupid i don't know based on what he's saying oh well he ignored a supreme court order about well he's exercising the power of the executive so that's irrelevant i mean they want to they they want to accuse him of a crime without showing actual again here we are evidence of of any kind of you know, criminal activity. I'm so tired of this stuff. I could... I'm trying not to say something really rude right now. I'm trying to be a nice person, a better person, right? It was so fiery first hour. I'm trying to, like, take it back down, you know, because you guys want to go home and have a chill evening. But all of this is linked. If we don't get the economy in order, we're going to lose our hats on midterms. And then guess what's going to happen? Guess what happens when you lose Congress? Guess. That little freak nut is going to start filing articles of impeachment. Democrats are going to go along with it. Then guess what we got for two years? More impeachment fight. And it's going to be nonstop that. Nonstop. They are going to bungle up everything. Goodbye cuts. No, you're not going to you will you won't get tax cuts. You might get an increase. All of that, and we have less than two years to make this happen right now. He has literally done everything he said. Congress needs to show up. There ought to be some kind of rolling caravan going after congressional members that are refusing to do what's required. If they don't have a spine, then make them feel the heat. Make it hot. That's going to have to happen. Republicans, you're going to have to get nasty. I think that's what's going to have to happen. We'll talk more about this here coming up. We've got headlines on the way. As we move, our partners that help bring you the program, and they have a new product out. 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SPEAKER 14 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick 5.
SPEAKER 01 :
All right, so bags of cash, sweet cash, fell from a Brinks truck in suburban Chicago. Crowds of people stole $300,000. Wow. It somehow opened. They don't know how. It opened by unknown means. And all this money, people were just grabbing all this money in Oak Park. Three bags of currency fell out. It happened when the driver was moving on Tuesday and Brinks, they returned to the area and 50 to 100 people were seen taking money and fleeing. So they estimated that was $300,000. Don't they have, they don't have anybody in custody, but I mean, can't they track that? Like you can track the money. Yeah. I mean, you got cereal, everything's serialized. So you can track that cash. They know. So people are going to get caught. Oh, my gosh. The rarest baby names in each state. I think this is so dumb. They apparently no name. Although, what did you say? It's like noname.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think it might be pronounced noname.
SPEAKER 01 :
That's still dumb. Sorry if you named your kid that, but it's dumb. I don't know why they just, you know, I don't mind unique names. But when people try to make it really obnoxiously unique, I feel like you're citing your kids like you deserve to be made fun of. Right. You know, because we care about your kids safety and health. You know, I feel like now. Let's see. Here's a headline quote. Walking 53 miles dressed as a giant bird was harder than I thought. Who did this? A British guy, of course. He decided to hike as a bird because he wanted to protect. He's like an environmentalist. And so he dressed. I don't even know what this bird is. Kathy the curlew. I don't know. He dresses like this giant ostrich bird looking thing. And he had a hard time. And I don't feel bad. It looks dumb. Like, what's the point of this? Like, you know, if you want to go out and save some animals, go out and save some animals. That doesn't do it. Stick with us. Congressman Chip Roy is next. Gold prices have surged over 40% since January 2024, consistently reaching new highs. According to Goldman Sachs research, the upward trend is expected to persist due to strong demand from central banks. It's stuff like this that's made me take action and why I've bought precious metals like gold and silver. I've partnered with a great company that makes it super easy to buy. Easy, transparent, and simple. And that company is Goldco. They're a huge supporter of this show and they're the best at what they do. And right now you can get a free 2025 gold and silver kit jam-packed with critical information about buying precious metals. It was a huge help, not just for me, but to all of you if you do this. And for my audience, you could also qualify for up to a 10% instant match in bonus silver. It's a really great deal. So don't miss out. Visit danalikesgold.com to learn more. That's danalikesgold.com.
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SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome back to the program. Your lovable curmudgeon here at the bottom of this third hour. Listen coast to coast. Channel 347 is the stream. Chats at Rumble. X, Facebook, everywhere. We were talking, well, a million things. The Amazon stuff, the tariffs, the now more and more I feel like POTUS is talking about tax cuts. And of course, that press conference, Caroline Leavitt today on behalf of the admin, where they were talking about, yeah, we're going to make make these tax cuts. We're going to get this passed. Talking about that big, beautiful budget, the BBB. Well, we need to ask Congress about this. Joining us, one of our favorite people. And we can literally only say that about like two or three, honestly, in Congress from the great Republic of Texas, Congressman Chip Roy. He joins us now. He literally just ran over from doing his job yesterday. and cast in votes for Texans. And he's now sitting and talking to us. Congressman, good to see you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Great to see you, Dana. I hope you and Chris and your family are well.
SPEAKER 01 :
We are doing very well. And I hope the same for you and yours. And I'm getting excited because everybody's talking about tax cuts and I am living and dying on tax cuts. Tell me, are we going to actually get this? Because I know it's a slim majority in the House. I know it's tough. I know it's like herding cats and you got some really stubborn Democrats to say nothing of some pretty stubborn Republicans, too. But where are we at on that? And I know you guys feel the pressure.
SPEAKER 15 :
So let me try to put in context for your audience what we're dealing with, right? So we have the tax cuts that were passed under President Trump in 2017. The corporate rates were made permanent. The individual rates then varied somewhat. And then there were some other corporate rates that are research and development, some expensing stuff, other things that have already expired. But all the personal rates, those expire this December. Now, what am I talking about? There was a doubling of the standard deduction, which usually helps your non-homeowners and a little bit more of your lower income filers. There was the rate reductions for a lot of people. Also a doubling, I think, of the child tax credits, a significant increase in child tax credits. Now, that stuff expires in December. So, if we don't do anything, then that means those rates will go up. In other words, we're not actually talking about a cut at the moment. What we're doing is we're trying to stop an increase. Now, that's all a part of a larger question, which is the deficit question. are we going to do the spending cut side of the equation so the reconciliation bill that we're dealing with right now which is done with 51 votes in the senate so we can avoid the nonsense with democrats in the senate that's why it's such a big deal that's why there's the big beautiful bill is to try to get the spending side done and the tax side done now here's the fundamental problem and then i'll stop filibustering Republicans always choose the easy path, which is the tax cut side. I support it. I'd like to cut taxes in half. I'd like to abolish the income tax altogether. Get rid of the IRS, right? I'm in. However, Republicans simultaneously promise a lot of free crap. OK, and last time I checked, it's not the United States House of Free Credit. And but yet that's what we do. And so now we're having a debate about whether or not we can reform Medicaid and other programs to constrain spending so that we don't have deficits exploding out of control. And our budget in the House said, look, we're going to just reduce the increase in Medicaid. So we increased about a trillion and a half instead of about two and a half trillion. So we'd save a trillion or so. I'm ballpark. And now a bunch of Republicans are saying, oh, we can't touch Medicaid. By the way, there's so much fraud and abuse in Medicaid. Of course we can reform it. The Republicans have got to have the backbone to do it. So the final point is, if we don't, then I think the tax increases that might occur, the extension of the tax cuts is in jeopardy. And I got to tell you, I won't vote for a bill that doesn't have enough on the spending reduction side of the equation just because my colleagues are trying to put me into a corner over the tax cuts, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER 01 :
Now, it does make sense because that's that's always that's kind of always been an argument from the left is that tax cuts cost and, you know, you got to pay for them somehow. So they always want to increase. They think you have or the government spending. You have to increase taxes in order to pay for government spending, which I agree with you. You have you have to do both. It's not especially right now. I mean, we're what, 30 something trillion dollars in debt. I think it's projected to be 40 trillion by the end of the year. I mean, you have to have both at this at this stage of the game. And I knew that there were going to be some of your colleagues in the House that were going to drag their feet about Medicaid. I knew that there were going to be some that were going to drag their feet about this. Is there are you hopeful? I mean, give us a sense of how hard we should be. How many times we should be calling our elected officials a day.
SPEAKER 15 :
So it's a mixed bag. I think there is a genuine effort and a desire at the White House and among Republican leadership to deliver. The budgets that we voted for before Easter were designed to get us on a path to be able to succeed. The committees are working. But I'll just tell you, there are a lot of yellow flags, if not red flags, popping up all over the place. as i look at what they're trying to produce in these various committee products let me give you an example so we're getting revenue going down in the highway trust fund because there are more evs compared to gas cars and a lot of the gas cars have better mileage right so the gas tax which used to fund the highway charge still funds the highway trust fund that's going down as a percentage right of the overall vehicles so they want to come up with a solution to that The solution being put forward in the committee, in TNI, is a car registration fee, federal, that would be applied to EVs and gas-powered cars. Now, I'm against that. I don't register things for the federal government. I don't think the federal government should have anything to do with my existence. So that would be a significant amount, like $48 billion of fees to pay for stuff like Coast Guard and the air traffic controllers. They need money. Okay. But then when I complained about it, I was told, Chip, don't worry about it. We're going to strip that out in the highway trust fund later. What that means is it's a gimmick. they want to put it in the bill as a pay for strip it out later they say uh and then that way you get rid of the tax but you use it as a fake pay for it i think it is doubly bad that way and this is what i'm dealing with and i'm trying to push back on republicans like let's be open let's be honest let's reduce the size and scope of government let's cut taxes so the american people can have more money in their pockets let's actually be the party of limited government the actual party of the Constitution, the actual party believing we can have health care that is affordable and that is actually effective, rather than the disaster that has been expanded Medicaid under Obamacare.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, we're talking with Congressman Chip Roy out of Texas's 21st congressional district. That's because that's the fear. And I know that the pressure is all on particularly members of Congress. I mean, I know it's really on your shoulders right now because you have the recommended cuts from Doge and then you have the executive orders that are coming in from POTUS. And none of this means anything unless it can be made either codified, make it permanent. However, it has to be done legislatively. In order to to give it the weight that it needs. Otherwise, it's just going to be stripped out and be everything redone. You know, heaven forbid if we have a Gavin Newsom in twenty twenty eight or if Democrats take over the House coming up in a couple of years, which I don't even like saying that out loud. But that's the thing. I mean, there it is. The Doge cuts, how realistically much of that is going to be able to be legislatively backed up? I mean, up until the time when midterms kick in, because I'm just thinking that we only have a short period of time.
SPEAKER 15 :
The problem that we face is what I told you on. in Vivek, and he was still a part of it before running for governor. They came in and met with Congress in December. And I went to the mic and I ticked off all our Republican colleagues because I looked at Elon and I said, your problem isn't going to be finding waste and the fraud and the abuse and the stuff to cut. You're going to find lots of that. Your problem is looking at you right now. It's my colleagues. It's all of these Republicans who run on cutting spending, but yet vote for it all. Let me give you an example. USAID, right? You've heard about all the ridiculous programs, the $32,000 transgender comic book, the funding for operas and whatever. So we offered an amendment. Eli Crane, our good friend from Arizona, great guy, former Navy SEAL, sniper, superhuman. He offered an amendment to cut USAID in half because we knew there were some good programs, but a lot of bad ones. 102 Republicans voted for it. 114 Republicans voted against it. That was in 18 months ago in the fall of 23. I give you that as an example of I could give you hundreds where Republicans will not deliver. So go to Doge. Or actually, go to rescissions. You've heard about rescissions. The president can send up rescissions through his Office of Management and Budget to the Hill. And if he does so, we can pass them with majority votes in the House and the Senate. So only 51 in the Senate. So there's rumors, I don't have any actual backing yet, but there's rumors that they're going to send up a rescissions package to cut public broadcasting, PBS, et cetera. And now I'm hearing that a bunch of Republicans are up here going, ooh, I don't know if I can do that. We've got to save and preserve public broadcasting. This is what we're dealing with. Now, I might say we should call that bluff, but that's what we're dealing with. Doge is the same way. They're going to find all of this stuff, but then Congress has to go act. That's why you heard Elon go, well, it's going to be $2 trillion in savings. And then it was like, well, a trillion. Well, then last one, it was like, well, maybe $150 to $200 billion in 2026. It's because you start looking at the programs that Congress votes for. and supports so they can go back home and say, I'm giving you your free crap. And then suddenly you hit a wall. Well, guess what? Ain't no free lunch. We got to solve this problem.
SPEAKER 01 :
Talking with Congressman Chip Roy. I mean, I appreciate your transparency on this and your forthrightness on this. I think you're one of few people in Congress that are actually telling it as it is. And I think that was that. I mean, when you were just the story that you just told, you know, telling Elon Musk that the problem is looking at you right now. Is there are we at the point and I so much of this feels like Tea Party 3.0, really? Are we at the point where it's time for Republicans to start getting, I mean, mean with some of these Republican lawmakers? And I'm asking you because I you're in there and I trust your your your stance on it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, look, I've been trying to take an approach over the last two months of finding a way to work together and not draw any red lines in the sand. I mean, I've certainly made some comments about what I think ought to happen. I've certainly said that I don't think that I could support anything and won't support anything that's going to increase deficits and that you've got to balance tax policy, economic growth and spending cuts, put it in the pot and guarantee that we're not going to increase deficits. So that's sort of a red line. But I haven't said I won't vote for it if we don't get X or Y or Z. A lot of my colleagues are doing that. And I think we do need to start having a really honest conversation about it, because here's what's going to happen. The movement, the party and even the White House, there's going to be a lot of movement saying we've got to get tax cuts extended. Right. We can't have a tax increase. They're going to say we've got to get the border security money and then they're going to say we've got some spending cuts on the table and it's not everything you wanted, but we got a lot of good stuff. and the tax cuts will create economic growth and everything will be great and we'll have deficits go down and i'm going to be looking at the math going i don't believe that i think that was just going to go up and i think we're going to see scoring and our own math that will show that and we're not going to get the policy but we're not going to get the full product of the Inflation Reduction Act or whatever. There's going to be a lot of pieces to this puzzle. And then if I'm sitting back going, guys, I'm not going to vote to increase deficits. I'm not going to vote for something that doesn't fully repeal these disastrous policies like the Inflation Reduction Act, et cetera. but you're gonna try to hold over my head that yes, taxes might go up if we don't do our job. That's not on me. If you're unwilling to do your job to reduce spending, reform Medicaid, end the disastrous Inflation Reduction Act, do all the things we should do, then you can't blame me. Any tax increases are on you. And that's gonna be the fight that we're gonna have over the next couple of months. I'm trying to be respectful of my duly elected colleagues. I want to work with my colleagues, but I wasn't sent here to increase debt. We're 36 trillion in debt, a trillion dollars of interest every year, more on interest than the national debt. If we refinance at existing rates, it's still going to be over a trillion and growing. If we go into higher rates, which is going to happen, we're going to have two, four or six or eight trillion more in interest. We have got to deal with it. We've got to deal with it now or we're going to lose the country.
SPEAKER 01 :
We will. Absolutely. Any names you want to give us now, we'll take them.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm going to hold back because I've got to work with my colleagues to figure out how we can get this done, and I hope that we will do that. A lot of people are giving their own names. They're out there in the media talking about what they will and won't do.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, yeah, we've seen that. I wanted to ask you about the SAVE Act as well because this is... You gave an example of somebody who was literally charged with voting by aliens, is accused of illegally voting in the 2020 election. Doge has been assisting this. It's an Iraqi national. I mean, yeah, you... I I'm shocked that after the election results of of this this passional election that Democrats are still like, man, say that we don't need to prove anything. We don't need it. It floors me because you think they would at least that used to be their position 10 years ago.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I mean, that just tells you the state of the Democratic Party. I mean, yeah, I think that was in the Northern District of New York, the case you're just referencing, where you've got this guy who did vote. Now they're charging him for having violated the law. And so they might say, Democrats would say, look, it's working. It's illegal. So they're charging. Yeah, but. Here's the thing, as a prosecutor, former prosecutor, I know, I mean, I charged a lot of crimes, but I certainly wasn't getting them all. There's a lot of people out there voting. We know it. Democrats want them to vote. The SAVE Act would simply make the system work better by ensuring that only American citizens can register to vote. There's a lot of ways to make sure that nobody's burdened. We passed it out of the House last year. Democrats killed it. In the Senate, we passed it out of the House this year right before Easter with four Democrats joining us. You know, hopefully they'll pull it up on the floor of the Senate. I expect Chuck Schumer Democrats to work to kill it because it's their holy grail. They need non-citizens voting to build out their electorate and to try to transform the country, the image that they see. And that's the truth. Everybody knows it. They shouldn't stop hiding. They just want non-citizens to vote. We've got the bill to stop it. But unfortunately, we've got to get through the 60 vote threshold in the Senate in order to get it turned into law.
SPEAKER 01 :
Last question for you. I know you and Tim Burchett have talked about banning passing law to ban congressional stock trading. Some of these people that walk in with like seventy thousand dollars in their bank account and then five years later they got twenty two million dollars. I'm not going to say names, but I'm not talking about a Democrat, although they're kind of the most guilty of them. I mean, it it's stunning. I can't imagine people voting against their own interests in Congress on this.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, it really is a stunning reality that we have members of Congress who are so actively day trading on things that we're voting on every single day. I think it is an inherent conflict of interest. I don't even want to impugn the motives of most members of Congress. They come in, they want to just, you know, like every other American, they've got investments, they want to continue. And some don't come to Congress with significant means. But it is extraordinary how much people are voting on things that they have a say in on a daily basis, where they get information, they know what's happening. It might be a pharmaceutical, it might be a big tech company, it might be debating on an antitrust policy. And so are you going to vote for that and then not have that affect your investment decisions? We have legislation that would solve that problem, saying you gotta take your dollars, put them in broadly held mutual funds, maybe a blind trust if you want to, but the broadly held mutual funds would be the best solution. And then we ought to just implement that, and look, that is what it is. You'll ride and fall with the market, and that's okay. But we have not been able to get it onto the House floor, so I think we're starting to get a little bit of an itchy trigger finger. Myself, Tim Burchett, Brian Fitzpatrick, a more moderate member from Pennsylvania, he's a good friend and he wants to do it. There's several Democrats including AOC, who are interested in doing it, Seth Magazine, who I work with, who I don't agree with on many things. But this is something I think we should do to try to change the institution for the better.
SPEAKER 01 :
Amen to that. Amen to that. Congressman Chip Roy, you do so much good in D.C. We're grateful to have you there and glad that you joined us on the program today. Anytime. We'd love to have you back. Thank you so much. God bless you, Dana. Keep fighting the good fight, our partners. over at all family pharmacies. This is one of my favorite, favorite people to work with. And not just because I'm actually a customer. It's like that hair club for men thing. Not only am I, I'm also the president. Well, I'm not the president, but I love what they do because medicines that you need, and especially those therapeutics that the government tried to prevent you from getting during lockdown are Well, they have all of it. They've got the ivermectin. They got the hydroxychloroquine. They have all of the antibiotics. They also have your everyday medications and they're affordable. It's simple and it's fast. If you don't have insurance, not an issue because they have very straightforward, affordable pricing, online ordering. Shipping is just two to four days. You can also do overnight in a pinch, which I have done before because, oh my gosh, I was getting strep throat for Thanksgiving, thought I was going to die. And I'm like, I couldn't get to urgent care. There was a line. Like I got to get some, they got it to me overnight. And I was immediately able to start getting better and still host Thanksgiving. It was amazing. And not infect everybody. It was so nice. The other thing that I love is everything is made in the U.S. You can't say that with other medications or the inputs from other medications. But you can say that with All Family Pharmacy. None of the stuff comes from either China nor India. It's all manufactured all from right here in the U.S. of A. So they have very high standards of quality and safety. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Get 10% off with promo code Dana. Be prepared. Protect yourself and your family today with allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Coupon code Dana10 to save 10%. I went long, so I robbed you of today and stupidity, but I'll make it up to you tomorrow. Make sure you find us over at Substack Chapter and Verse, the newsletter, Facebook, YouTube. Like and subscribe. I will be back with you behind the mic tomorrow. God bless.
This week's episode of Sportsman of Colorado brings a wealth of information to avid hunters and outdoor adventurers. As the big game hunting season approaches, we delve into the timeline of the Colorado Big Game Draw with crucial dates and requirements for participants. Don't miss our feature on Safebox, a state-of-the-art facility offering secure storage options for firearms, thanks to Eric Hackett's foresight and dedication to meet a community need. Additionally, we revisit the excitement of the Mile High Hunting and Fish Expo, showcasing the camaraderie and passion of outdoor enthusiasts in the Denver area.
SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado, Colorado's premier outdoor radio show heard every Saturday afternoon on KLZ 560 with insights on hunting, fishing, archery, guns, and ammo from Colorado's top outfitters featuring the industry's leading experts on how to enhance your experience in the great outdoors. Now, here's your host, Scott Watley.
SPEAKER 04 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado. Thank you so much for joining us today. Hey, we've got a great show in store for you. I got a text actually this morning, and someone was asking me about winter draw results posted. So if you've got the 2025 big game brochure, simply flip it over. And on the back cover has all the dates, but I thought as a courtesy, I would go ahead and talk just a minute about these dates that are important to us here or so. Needless to say, we've all put in for the draw. And then May 27th through the 30th, and they will have the draw results posted. And then June 2nd, that is the surrender period deadline. And what that means is if you decide you can't go on the hunt and you want to get your points back and cancel the tag, you can do that. You have to just get it back in by June 2nd. That is the deadline for that. And then June 13th, you've got to have all of it paid for. So it brings up another point. Make sure the credit card that you have on file with CPW, make sure that didn't expire. We heard some disaster stories through the years where folks drew some very coveted tags and their payment didn't go through and they couldn't get a hold of the client. Make sure your credit card is good. And then June 27th, hey, they're supposed to be in the mail. So that's the dates for you here for the Colorado Big Game Draw that you need to know as we speak. As I mentioned, we've got a great show for you. Later in the show, we're going to run through another interview first here. But later in the show, we were at the Mile High Hunting and Fish Expo, of course, a couple weeks ago now. And just ran out of time. We did two live shows from there, but time constraints just couldn't fit all the interviews in. So we're going to play a couple of those interviews for you. But we're going to start off with a good friend of the show and actually a KLZ 560. I heard this gentleman on John Rush's show. And then I sat down with him a week or so ago and we had him on our Haystack show. But I wanted to get him here on Sportsman because he's got a really unique personality. business here. Hey, for safe, a safe place to lock up whatever you want to lock up. But really for guns, I wanted to bring him on. It's called Safebox. It's in Englewood. And Eric Hackett had us over and got to take a tour of the facility there in the Wells Fargo building. He's in there in Englewood and got to look through all this. So, hey, if you're looking for a place to store some guns, ammo, whatever, this is the place. So we're going to hit that interview now with Eric Hackett with Safebox. Welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for being with us. Well, we've got a new client we're going to introduce you today. And I heard this gentleman actually on Rush to Reason. And boy, I felt like there was a great need. You know, most of you have listened to the show for a time. was Jake Jabs, Corporate Sales Manager at American Furniture. And Jake always says, find a need, fill that need, and you'll be successful. And here's a need that was out there, and I think this is going to be a very, very informative segment for us. So we're going to introduce Eric Hackett. He is the owner of Safebox. It's located at 3333 South Bannock Street in Englewood. You can check out the website, safeboxdeposits.com. Their number is 303-771-8000. And actually, we're at Safebox doing the interview here because I wanted to come over and see what it was all about and just look at all the different safe type deposit boxes, gun safes, all the different things that are available here. under very heavy lock and key. So Eric, thanks for having us out. How are you? I'm doing well. Thanks for, thanks for having me on. You bet. So how did this concept come about? I always, when people create such an interesting business, I'm like, man, why didn't I think of that? Cause man, this is going to be good. So, I mean, uh, how'd this come about for you?
SPEAKER 12 :
Uh, sure. It was really just, uh, friends and family in the getting wind of branches closing physical locations and downsizing locations and basically eliminating the safe deposit boxes from their business model. So after hearing that multiple times and that customers were being displaced, we thought we would, you know, fill the need and find a good solution for them. So that's how we started.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. Well, most of you know, if you're around the Englewood area especially, you'll see a Chase Bank building. You'll see a Wells Fargo Tower. Not sure how long this has been here, this Wells Fargo Tower, but for many years. And – Like I say, I wanted to come over and just see what it would kind of look like, see what the setup was. And secure is the word. This is very secure. So let's kind of explain the best we can. I wish we had some TV cameras here, but let's explain the best we can. A little bit about a virtual tour, so to speak.
SPEAKER 12 :
So tell folks how it works. Sure. So the city of Englewood just changed the parking in front of our facility. We have our own entrance on the east side of the building. Englewood has changed it to a loading zone so people can enter straight into our facility. So you'll enter the first set of doors into the vestibule and you'll hit a buzzer and we'll verify your name and identity and then we'll buzz you in and the second set of doors as we discussed is ballistic glass so there's no getting through and you'll also notice bollards that were installed outside of the exterior doors to prevent you know any vehicles or any sort of intrusion there And then once you come in, we'll get you checked in, and we have a bank-grade vault. This is the old Wells Fargo vault. It's been here since 1968. I have never felt a vault door. Son, that thing is thick. It weighs several hundred pounds. And on top of that, you know, we have state-of-the-art alarm system and 24-7 surveillance throughout the whole facility.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. So cool. Yeah. And you can really store, I mean... Multitudes of different sizes. I won't make you run through all the sizes of all the different boxes, but in the first main safe area, there's really just different types of boxes, mainly kind of like what you would think of a safety deposit box, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct, yeah. So we took over the existing vault. There's seven different sizes of safe deposit boxes, and then we also – As I showed you, you have full-on gun storage. So we have anything from your basic gun cabinets to fireproof, waterproof gun safes.
SPEAKER 04 :
And folks, hey, in this day and time, and you're going to hear this segment on Sportsman of Colorado as well as our Haystack show, but I'm telling you, in the climate that we're in now, just with crime, all the different things, I'm telling you, this is the answer. You've got a place right here that is the most secure thing your money can buy. I can promise you that. And it's right here in Englewood, 3333 South Bannock Street. And, again, just a picture of the bank-type vault. That's what... your valuables will be in. And also, as Eric walked me back to the kind of the gun storage area there, a lot of different styles for long guns. You've got things you can put ammo in, you can put handguns in, whatever the case you want. If you're looking to maybe get guns out of your house, maybe you don't feel comfortable with them being in your home. All right. This is a very, very convenient way to have them stored. And, hey, you can come over and visit them, get them anytime you want. So let's kind of talk about that, Eric, as far as folks, when they do need something, do they need an appointment? Or how does it work to come back over if they need to grab something or look at something?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, we do run by appointment. So they can just go to the website, request an appointment, and it's just been more convenient that way for both customers. And so they're not overlapped. They're not waiting. Sure. And that was one of the biggest complaints with the banks, the customers from the banks. My mother-in-law had a safe deposit box, and the last time she went in, she waited over an hour at a Wells Fargo. Um, we're trying to eliminate all of that running by appointment. Um, and the other thing that sets us apart from the banks, aside from the convenience is, um, we did jump through about a 220 point process, um, to become accredited with AXA financial, which is the third largest insurance company in the world. Um, And they ensure, so we ensure your safe deposit box or your gun safe for $5,000 standard with every box rental. And then if you want additional coverage on top of that, it's extremely affordable since we did become accredited with them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that'll work. Yeah, for sure. If you're just joining us, we are coming to you live from 3333 South Bannock Street in Englewood, the home of Safebox. Eric Hackett is the owner. Check out the website, safeboxdeposits.com. And once again, the number 303-771-8000 is the number. You know, when you look at and you think about just different things, people, and I told you when I first came in and just thinking about the history of this building, there's no telling what's been in some of these boxes here. Oh, yeah. You wish you kind of could know some of the history of it here. But, folks, seriously, I mean, I don't know what the dimensions of the smallest type box you have, but, I mean.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, so the smallest box is going to be 3 by 5 inches by 22 deep. They're all going to be 22 inches deep. And our smallest box starts at $15 a month. All right. Geez. No-brainer. It's pretty affordable.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Now, on the gun stores, let's hit those prices just a minute. Okay. Kind of fill us in there.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep. So our gun cabinets start at $50 a month, and those are for a 14-gun long-arm capacity. And then we have... the gun safes that are fireproof, waterproof, and they have a 24 gun capacity and those are a hundred dollars a month.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
And then we also have, as I showed you another vault that we can customize for, you know, larger items or, You know, we can customize a solution for any customer.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, right. Well, Eric, man, this is going to be a good deal for you, bud. And I know new businesses and new ventures, you're just like, oh, man, crossed your fingers, hoping everything's going to work out good. But I'm telling you, man, we're going to help you get the word out. Hey, folks, hey. Once again, hey, we're all looking for our things to be secure and safe. And, you know, when it comes to gun, no laughing matter. So, I mean, hey, if you've got kids and maybe they're getting to an age now that you're just saying, hey, man, I want to get these locked up. I don't want to get rid of my guns, but I do want them to be at a safe place. This is it. 3333 South Bannock Street in Englewood. Once again, safeboxdeposits.com, and the number is 303-771-8000. So, Eric, thanks for having us out, and we'll get you on to do this again. But congrats on your business, and folks, when you come in, let them know you heard them here on KLZ, and we'd appreciate that as well. So, Eric, thanks for having us.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sounds good. Thank you, Scott.
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SPEAKER 06 :
It's just going fantastic. And so blessed, you know, Scott. And like you said, the show is amazing. is a true hunting and fishing and outdoor expo in every sense of the way we love it we we've seen so many people here the quality is just fantastic and it's good to be back in denver we were here for a whole month in january and and then we went back to south africa for for four weeks so our hunting season is in full swing now it started a couple of weeks ago Just got some pictures of a beautiful kudu and waterbuck that the clients harvested over there. So looking forward to getting some more pictures from them. And now we're back here for another month. Well, we've been here for another three weeks already. And we're heading out back to South Africa on Thursday, getting back. to George, which is our hometown, on Friday, and I hit the road on Saturday for my first hunt. Busy time, but busy in a good way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, right. I tell you, ever since we've known each other, man, Denver... Shows are a huge hub for Bushman's Quiver. What is it about Denver, you think, that makes it, I mean, you know, and I'll be honest, when I very first, you know, are you doing the lucky draw this year? Yeah, absolutely. We'll explain that in a minute. He does a lucky draw. We get a couple of annals, a five-day.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, there's three different options. So the first option is we pay for your round-trip airfare for one person. And then we also include a spring buck. So then you are responsible to pay your own daily rates and the trophy fees. Then the second option is a seven-day hunt for one hunter. That includes all his daily rates. It includes his daily laundry services, all his meals, his professional hunter, trackers, skinners. So everything is included there. And then you also include a spring buck in that deal. That's worth about four grand. And then the third option, which is an option that a lot of people like to take these days, is seven days under Africa's skies, seven full days of hunting for two hunters. That's valued at about $4,800. And that includes, again, all the lodging and the meals, the beverages, your ground transportation. your professional guide, your trackers and skinners, your field preparation of your trophies, the transport of your trophies to the taxidermy that we work with. So that's all included. So like I said, about $4,800 in that deal. And that just helps it for couples or for buddies to come and hunt together. So that's one that people like to go for. And yeah, if you happen to be one of the lucky draw winners, please get in contact with us as soon as you can. Let's get your peace of mind. And just coming back to the Denver area, I mean, we've been coming to Denver since 2008, 2009. And we started doing the ISE in 2010. And we've just got so many beautiful friends. It's actually not friends even anymore. It's like you. It's family. And that's what this whole Denver area makes so special is we have so many people here that's been with us. just a great repeat percentage as well you know we have about a 70 repeat here which makes it beautiful for us and again this year as well probably i would say at least 20 to 30 clients coming from the Denver area. And looking forward to seeing them all in the African skies. Just beautiful people in a beautiful area. It's nice to be here when it's a little bit warmer as well. Sure, yeah. I mean, we've been... We never know what we're going to get in January, man. No, so most of the snow is gone, so that's good. And walking around in shorts, going fly fishing on Wednesday before we hit the road on Thursday. So looking forward to a good time.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's just special people in a special place. Right. And the reason why I said about the lucky draw, that's how I came the first time. Man, back then, you guys were doing some things at Tanner Gun Show. And I didn't have my radio show then or anything. So this wasn't a fixed deal. Oh, he's got a radio show. Let's make him the winner. It wasn't anything like that because I wasn't even doing this show yet. When I came to one of the get-togethers, that kind of open house that you do, and got to meet so many people. I mean, I'll be honest. I was skeptical a little bit because I'm like, how could that many people be so happy about a place to hunt? I mean... everything from little comments like it was my birthday and they gave me a birthday cake. And so when I ask you the question, what makes Denver such a hub, man, it is the people. Because, dude, I mean, you could give away 100 tickets here to come to an expo like we're recording this at today because there's so many people that just want to come and hang out and talk with you guys.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it's a challenge sometimes because you've got so many people in the booth at the same time wanting to spend time with you and just discuss their next safari and that. But then you also have new people that come in that you want to spend time with. So to get that balance, it makes you tired, but it makes you tired in a good way. Yeah, absolutely. So that's fantastic. So, yeah, again, Denver and the people of Colorado, it's just been great. And we love all of you guys so much. And the thing is with Bushman Squiver, We don't hunt. We don't chase quantity. We chase quality. So that's what it's all about. You know, you get some of these guys that will, and there's a lot of good people out there, really good friends in the outfitting business. People that I would send my clients to any day if I know I cannot help them. But there's a bunch of people that will just see how many people they can get through their camp. And with that, the quality goes down the drain. Sorry to say it that way, but that's just the way it is. And for us, I'm not going to jeopardize my future with my family by not being honest. I want to be able to sit here again next year and do the same thing. So for me to chase quality and for my family to be here with me and to experience this whole thing with me, that just makes so much more sense. And you cannot expect God to bless you if you... You know, if you cannot trust you in the little things. So it's all about being honest and integrity. That's what it's all about.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. We were talking with Stefan Vandermeer. He is the owner of Bushman's Quiver. Bushman's Quiver. What's the web? I'm sorry, you're saying Bushman's Quiver Quality African Safari. Bushmansquiversafaris.com?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, even just Bushmansquiver.com. Okay, Bushmansquiver.com. Yeah, that'll take you straight to our website, and we also have a lot of videos on YouTube as well. So if you just go to Bushmansquiver and you put in videos, it'll take you to all the YouTube stuff.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, let's talk about some of the places you hunt and things you've got available there. Now, your home base now is down at the Cape.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, we are the most southern tip of Africa. So we are about, I would say, 100 miles east from where the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean meets. So almost the most southern tip of Africa. It's in the Western Cape. We stay in a beautiful garden root. It's lush and green. It's evergreen area. So people love to spend three or four days with us there at the guest house as well, either after the safari, the hunt or before the hunt. just to do some of the non-hunting activities, you know, dive for the great whites in the Indian Ocean and do some ziplines or some adrenaline-driven activities, do the interaction with the elephants, see the kangaroo caves, do the wine route. There's just so many things to do for them. So we love that area. And then most of our concessions, our concessions, for those of you who don't know what a concession is, that's just the areas where we are leasing land. We've got agreements with the landowners to hunt on their properties. So we have concessions in the Eastern Cape, in the Western Cape, in the Northern Cape. in the free state in the northwest which is the Kalahari that almost borders the Botswana the country of Botswana and then also we still hunt in Limpopo as well and if people want to go out and experience some other hunting in some of the northern countries like Zimbabwe Mozambique Zambia And Namibia, we've got some great concessions there as well. So if that's something that you want to do, then, yeah, we can take you there. So the most important thing for us and always our clients is that we need to understand what your expectations are. If we know what your expectations are, we can tell you, yes, we can make it happen, or no, we cannot make it happen. The main thing is for you to get peace of mind, for us to understand what you want to do and what you want out of this experience. And then also, that's why it's so important for us, for you as a new hunter in Africa, or if you're a first-comer to Bushman Squiver, to talk to some of the people that's been with us before, like yourself and like hundreds of other clients in the Denver area. And then just, I mean, speak to the hunters and the non-hunters and find out from them how they found it, how they experienced it. They would love to meet with you. They'd love to show you their trophy rooms and discuss with you the questions that they had when they came out the first time. And that all just helps you to get peace of mind.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure. And, I mean, hey, it's your safari. So communication is the key. And, you know, if you want to hunt a couple of days, go do a few of these other activities. Go back to hunt. Hunt a few days. Then do all the other activities. They'll do it all for you. Kevin Flesch, our co-host a few years back, brought his wife and three daughters over there. So this isn't just a guy thing. This is a family thing. thing and you know they Stefan his beautiful family wonderful family I'm telling you it will not take long to just fall in love with them Africa in itself and just to see and I tell people all the time Africa Africa, to me, is the best value in hunting in the world. You've been around these shows. You look at some of these deals, man. $12,000 for a five-day guided elk hunt that you may see or may not see. You may get a shot. You may not get a shot. Dude, over there you'll see more animals. I've told every guy, I don't care who you are or where you've been, you'll see more animals in your time period there than you've ever seen in your life.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that's a fact, you know. That's why, I mean, people ask us about our pricing and they go to some other hospitals and they get some of their pricing. And there are some cheaper guys and there are some more expensive guys. So we're right there in the middle, but I mean... I believe in the saying, you play with peanuts, you get monkeys. I'll have to remember that. So that's just the way we do it. And the quality of the safari, the quality of our staff, the vehicles that we use, the quality of the trophies, the lodging, the meals, everything about it. It's not easy to keep those guys, you know, and we want to keep them. And the people that's been with us, our staff has been with us for so many years. And the only way to do that is to pay them what they are worth. So, I mean, you'll go out there and you'll see something and if you think that it just seems too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. There's some deals out there where people will promise you the moon and the skies, and you might even still have a great time, but maybe you'll never see your trophies, or maybe they won't pay the landowners, or they won't pay the PHs. There's just a lot of dishonest people out there, but there's also a lot of good guys out there. I mean, if people come to me and they say they've hunted with this guy or that guy, or they're going to go with this guy or that guy, and I know them, I will tell them, you are going to have the time of your life.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
So it's all about helping each other in the industry. Competition is healthy. But for me to be with my family and the type of crowd that we get in our camp, the type of clients that we get to our camp, just honest, beautiful people. And for me, it's stunning to have my family here with me. You know, our area where we hunt, it's family friendly. I really call it a gentleman's safari. I mean, if you want it to be rough and tough, if you want to sleep under a tree, We can do that. We can take you wherever you want to go. But I mean, a comfortable bed, ensuite bathroom, a fireplace in your room, beautiful views, hot clean water, you know, fine dining, that's just all part of it. So if that's not something that you want to do and you, like I said, if you want to sleep under the stars and just eat some frogs and mupani worms, then we can make that happen. But I will probably go back to my room and have a decent piece of steak.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, absolutely. Well, again, I wish we had an hour here just to tell you all the things we know. But look, if you're interested in South Africa, get in touch with me, all right? I'll personally get you in touch with Stephon. We will figure out, hey, what you want to do, when you want to do it. I'll meet with you, show you all the things that we've learned from being over there four times with them. And I'm telling you, it will be an experience of a lifetime. with people that you will love being with. And that's Bushman Squiver Safaris. And, Stefan, man, so glad you guys are here. I wish we could do this like every other month, man, you know, with you being here or me being there. But, man, it's great to have you over here, bud. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
We appreciate you guys so much and what you've done for us and for our family. You've got a beautiful family as well, and what you are doing for the hunting industry and for the outdoor industry, thanks for that, and thanks for your loyal support. We love you guys, and we cannot wait to get back here.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, man, we love you guys, too. And once again, if you're wondering all the background, again, we've announced at the beginning of this segment, we are recording this at the 2025 Mile High Hunt and Fish Expo, and just the busyness of the show and the hours, it's just hard to get everybody on during our allotted show time, so we wanted to play some of these interviews for you. You're listening to Sportsman of Colorado. We've got to take a quick break, and we'll be back with more right after this.
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SPEAKER 04 :
Welcome back to Sportsman of Colorado. Again, thank you so much for being with us today. If you're just joining us and if you've been listening the whole time, sorry to repeat this, but we recently... did the 2025 mile high hunt and fish expo and it's just impossible to get everybody on during our allotted hours we we took our friday haystack show turned it into a special edition of sportsman of colorado we did our live show saturday of the expo but uh hey we had a lot of folks we wanted to sit down and talk with and let you know about their products and uh This gentleman I met actually a couple years ago and wanted to get him on, looked at his tripods, and boy, they're awesome. They're called Top Hand Tripods, and this is a mountain multi-tool and eight uses in one dynamic piece. So this is everything you need. And here to explain it all for us is the owner of it, Jamin Floral. All right, Jamin, how are you?
SPEAKER 13 :
I'm doing good. Thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 13 :
Now, where do you live? I live in Sterling right now. We kind of migrated from the Fort Collins area about five years ago and just kind of breaking out to get a little bit more space to be able to continue manufacturing in my little garage.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, it's something, and, you know, you and I, I mean, there's a lot of big companies here, but I'll tell you what's near and dear to my heart, so to speak, is people like you. Yeah. Think of something in your garage, doing it, and then be able to come to an expo like this and kind of mingle with all the higher-end type deal. When I say higher-end, I just mean companies that have been doing it for years. They've got the, you know, ginormous displays. But you know what, man? If you've got a good product...
SPEAKER 13 :
dude you believe in it you can have a 10 by 10 booth and do very well yeah you know all the industry leaders that you you know most of them are here and that's what kind of draw me in you you met me in cheyenne actually three years ago and and then uh you know i wasn't quite ready to get that the manufacturing wasn't quite there last year and they filled up quick and And old AP pulled it out for me today or this year to be able to get me in. And I was appreciative of that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you're more than welcome.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so it worked pretty good. And we're here. And, you know, it's been a good show for us and a lot of positive interest in it, a lot of good feedback, you know, initial feedback. interest in it and i think we're going to get a lot of residual uh you know more uh sales later on too so yeah it's gonna be good now a lot of you know bipods tripods whatever mostly tripods i mean they are what they are yeah put something on top of them right yeah you know it's it's it's like well are you reinventing the wheel here or not so i've guided elk hunts with my brother jared uh in met he's with medicine bow outfitters in north park okay so he's been there for 30 years with the colorado state forest state park And so he and I have been working together for about 20 years together on the mountain there. And this thing really stemmed from that. There's got to be a better way to handle the meat. And I know if you've got two of you there, you can kind of do that. But when you're by yourself, it's really tough to do a full-body elk when you've got an 800-pound animal on a 30-degree slope. And just having something there to hold your leg up and to get it up high enough to get scone around. It's not over your shoulder. It's not across your hip. You're not cutting or splitting that hide next to your femoral artery. Sure, yeah. My other brother, he actually stabbed himself through his calf.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 13 :
trying to get scun out to the end of the leg there, you know, and just in a hurry. And this thing really kind of makes you slow down a little bit. It's a helping piece for that. Of course, you use it for all the things that you use a tripod for. You can glass from it. You can shoot from it. I have some tent designs coming up that'll actually support a tent for you. And trying to get that off the ground too at the same time. There's just so many uses for it. And I got a few other accessories like a shooting bag and tack table and And, you know, guys, if they're interested in it, go to the website, tophandtripods.com, and look us up, and send me an email on their contact page, and we can kind of start the dialogue that way, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, let's break down, and once again, if you're just joining us, we are recording this at the 2025 Mile High Hunting Fish Expo, and as I mentioned earlier, just not enough time to get everybody on, so you're going to hear a lot of different sounds you normally don't hear on our Saturday show. We're in the studio. But it is a great place to do these interviews for sure. All right. I'm going to break down each one of these. We're going to spend a couple minutes on each one. But field processing. How does top hand tripods help you out there?
SPEAKER 13 :
So when you get your animal down and you're by yourself and allows your buddies to keep hunting, right? Sure. So, you know, this thing has a rope lock mechanism in the head. So the rope... just stays with the tripod, and you deploy the rope. It wraps up onto the head, onto the side of the head, and you deploy that rope down, and it's got a little hook on it, and then you wrap that around the leg, and you pull the tail up, and it holds that leg up underneath the head of the tripod, and it locks for you. and the legs are kind of free floating. They don't have locking positions, so you're able to maneuver them freely around on the ground. There's a lot of different dynamics I could discuss about it, but it just basically, the core concept is to hold that leg up while you part it out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and a more comfortable position and clean, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it's the cleanliness, you know, and it doesn't, that quarter won't even touch the ground if you do it right, okay? A lot of guys bring tarps and whatnot. I fold the hide out over the backbone, you know, and lay it out to kind of, we used to lay the quarter right out onto the back. and then pick it up and put it in a game bag. Well, this thing, you can fillet that off of the bone, front or rear, whatever, however much you want to take off, and you actually literally will hoist that quarter up and hang it from the tripod and then put your game bag on it. and or whatever you use i i use a glad wrap is what i've been using for about 20 years and it works really well but game bags are really simple and easy and they do the job very very well too and it just makes it simple process out of that whole end of result you know getting that quarter into a bag it's tough to do sometimes on a hillside and then you're rolling around on the dirt That quarter will be hanging there about a foot above the carcass. And you can pick the hair off of it. You can cut bloodshot meat off of it. You can debone it like that, too. You know, sit down and take your time and just hang in there. And, you know, that dynamic right there, just that side of it is what the patent is on it. So I was granted the patent for it about four years ago. for attaching a rope to a tripod and using it to quarter an elk whip or whatever big game. I drew a moose tag, Colorado moose tag, two years ago and got my moose first day with my longbow right at dark and I was by myself and I knew help was coming but I was also in sand and there was nothing but sand around him and I went ahead and started on him and started lifting that up a little bit at a time. And by the time I got that whole front, I took the whole front shoulder and the neck meat and the rib meat with it all in one chunk and got it high enough to get my wrap on there or slide it in a game bag. And that's what I did with that moose quarter on a Shire's Moose. And it held a lot of weight. I've tested it to 300 pounds. And I wouldn't recommend that. It's not designed to hold a whole carcass up. In fact, I can't. I can't even say that, that it can hold a whole carcass up. But it's not designed for that. It's the multi-tool that you'd use for all that hunt dynamic leading up to the harvest.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
and then once you've got your harvest you just use it to do the skinning process and the quartering process specifically the no gut quartering process you know we we've all kind of gravitated to the no gut method where you don't even open it up and you know my website has a link to my um youtube channel and you can watch how i do it okay Okay. And gain a lot of perspective there. I know there's more than one way to skin a cat, right? Sure. There's all kinds of different ways that the guys do things, and this thing will help you in any one of those ways.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Jamin Floral is with us. He is the owner of Top Hand Tripods. These are really cool. Tophandtripods.com. And again, this is a multi-use mountain tool right here. And he's just kind of going through and explaining some of the things. Now for glassing, of course.
SPEAKER 13 :
so many different binos and spotting strokes and different things so what type of attack would you need like 30 different attachments to put on top of you know the common the the the hunting industry has adopted the arca swiss plate mount that's the dovetail plate okay that that is a photography it stems from every everything stems from photography on the tripod market right And we've adopted a lot of different dynamics into the tripod industry here for hunting. And what you do, if you have any type of head that unbolts off of any tripod using a standard quarter-twenty or three-eighths bolt face interface there, will bolt onto what I call a rally clip that we have that actually... It lives on that component. So if you have any head that you have already to glass with, whether it's a pan tilt hill or a ball head, you can actually use that head still and then be able to attach it to the top of my tripod and still use that component. I don't make any pan tilt glassing heads or anything. I just make the clips. There's two different types of clips. There's a standard clip that has little... It's actually kind of a... silicone rubber interface on the bottom of it it's a pla everything's really plastic i i machine plastics okay and and the like the head's made of high density polyethylene and there's some acetyl acetyl in there too and uh a little bit of carbon fiber components in that that whole thing the whole thing weighs two and a half pounds by the way yeah so it's the lightest and tallest tripod you can buy that has a full convergence head on it. What I say with full convergence head is all the legs come together at the head. There's no center column that you have to extend up. So you see a lot of tripods that do this, but then you see shorter tripods that you need taller to be able to glass from. You have to extend the center column up to mount up that standing height. And then inherently, then you end up with a little bit more leverage against those legs and there's a little bit more wobble and everything. So it's a pretty stable setup. Right now we have the tubing for the tripod is actually made by Richardson Metals in Colorado Springs. It's an extrusion of 6061 T6 aluminum. So it's a pretty stable platform to glass from. Of course, I've guided for 20 years. I do a lot of glassing in the area because we're up in North Park there. So tons of glassing and being able to see. And glassing is very important. It's not a perfect setup for that. no tripod really is it's so subjective to how you glass yeah you know and there's a lot of dynamics there we're working on another uh clip mount that's it's actually a metal interface so it uses a spring steel plate that that actually kind of flexes down and creates a compression mount for like a heavier spotter or even gun setups where you directly mount a gun into it to shoot from where it gives it a little bit of spring tension very high resistant spring what I call on-target resistance pressure. So when you're shooting from a tripod standing position, you're automatically limited to distance. I mean, nobody really will, in my opinion, nobody's gonna shoot an animal at 400 yards standing from the tripod. You're going to go lower. You're going to try to, inherently. Or try to get some kind of support under the back of the gun as well. So anything like that. But it basically kind of gets your effective range into a smaller circle. Helps in that regard. Helps with target panic a little bit too, where you just can't slow down. you need to have a little bit more resistance pressure. That's why a lot of guys use a bag. The shooting guys, the industry's kind of moved to shooting off of a bag. I also sell what we call the top plate tack table. It's a plastic tack table, machined plastic tack table, high-density polyethylene. It's about six by six, and it has a little side mount on it for an accessory like a cell phone or a range finder or whatever. And then that's just basically a quarter-twenty thread in the side of the... tack plate, and then I use about a 6x6, about 5-inch bag that gets stuffed with the plastic shavings that I get from machining all the parts. Wow. Very unique setup there. It only weighs about a pound, so you can take it with you into the field. Hunting scenario, kind of basic hunting scenario stuff there to be able to get you to have a more confident shot in the field is the other goal that we're looking for on that, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Cool. Check out the website once again. It is tophandtripods.com. Again, if you're just joining us, Jamin Floral is with us. He is the owner of the company here. And once again, if you're listening in the background and wondering, man, it doesn't sound like this normally on this show, you're right. We're at the 2025 Mile High Hunting Fish Expo. At the time, we were being able to record this. And, hey, a few other things here we don't have time to go into, but field processing, glassing, shooting, trekking, ground blind, tent frame, all of this. Top hand tripods can help you out with, again, it is a mountain multi-tool. And coming soon, it says, a field chair and backwoods tote. So, man, you're staying on the drawing board here.
SPEAKER 13 :
Lots of tripods. concepts on the up my sleeve a little bit and uh just really kind of searching out to see if there's any other help out there be willing to pitch in a little bit as far as uh engineering on some of this you know the temp manufacturing it's kind of a big deal uh that i can't really get set up i can but it you know you're so limited when you get to to rolling on this stuff so yeah all right let's talk cost okay so base price of the of the cost of the base tripod is 325 dollars And you can go on up with some accessories like grips. Oh, that's the other thing. The legs come off for grip, for trekking poles. Okay. So that's one thing that I always try to, I forget about. I always try to throw in there. But all three legs will come off and you can use them as trekking poles. So we sell them with grips and a little lanyard that can clip onto the top for your wrist. And then they also have a carbide-tipped rubber foot, so you can buy a carbide-tipped foot for it that you'd apply onto there or buy it with it, and that's another accessory. And then I sell it with a Dyneema rope option, the little cut-resistant rope. Otherwise, the base has the standard paracord, 550 paracord is what they use in the head. And so all those options add up to about $365. Okay. Total price on that, and it comes with a rally clip, the standard rally clip. The 2.0 rally clip, which is what I call it, which is the metal interface one, is $55 for that one. And that's the piece that would go on to whatever glassing accessory you have or shooting accessory you have. And so I also can rebuild this tripod. So if anything happens, the warranty issue is just like, just let me know and we'll figure it out. And whether it's a manufacturing defect or whether you tripped and fell and bent the tube and now you just need to buy a new leg. I sell legs individually, of course, because they can come off. So $55 for a leg. 45 for a head if something happens on the head. That's not manufacturing. If it's manufacturing, I'll cover it. If you make a mistake even, like right away, I know there's a little learning curve to learn how to use it and detach things and get things put back together and whatnot. If you snap a head off or something, just let me know. I'll take care of you. But any of those components, I can get back for you. I can reuse the tubing on it. put new components into it, then basically the tubing is the most expensive part of it. And then I can rebuild that into what I call a recon unit, and I lower the price point down to $225 on that to start on price. So it basically knocks $100 off. On top of that, if you own a top-hand tripod, no matter how you've gotten it, if you want to trade it in for a newer model... Or something, say you like, I'm coming out with a camo version in a couple of years or whatever. Okay. Or if something changes in the design a little bit where you like that dynamic. Or maybe it just wore out. You know, they will wear out. They're not designed to fail, but they're designed to keep it from wearing out. So, you know, you get to a point where I've used this thing for five years and I've gotten ten seasons out of it. You know, elk seasons out of it, shooting, whatever. Yeah. I want a new one. You can trade it in for $100. Okay, cool. And I can then rebuild that one into a recon unit and sell it at a lower price point. Wow, man. Trying to cover that market. The hunters are a broad base of people, and we're all great people. We're all one cloth. I like to kind of shove competition to the side in the field as well. And I like to kind of throw that out there too. You see another orange dot out there, you just go shake his hand.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, man. Well, again, at the time we're recording this, the show actually just opened here on the Sunday. We're recording this here on the 13th of April, so I'll let you get back to your booth, man, but we appreciate it. Glad it worked out. Glad we met three years ago, and now you're back here, so it's awesome.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thanks for doing what you did up there, a little legwork for the show here, and we'll move forward and onward and upward, and Lord willing, we'll see each other again next year.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely, bud. That's Jim and Floral. Once again, Top Hand Tripods, folks. Hey. Hey, these are popular items now, all right? Get one that does a lot. This is the Mountain Multi-Tool Top Hand Tripods.com. You're listening to Sports from Colorado. We've got to hit a quick break. We'll be back with more right after this. Once again, those were interviews. Don't run out to the Gaylord. Hey, the expo is over. We wrapped that up here a couple weeks ago. But just great to be out there again. Hey, we are getting a date at the end of March next year, so circle those dates just toward the end of March. We'll get you those specific dates here pretty quick, and that'll get us out of turkey season and a few other things starting. So appreciate all those that came out, but I hope you enjoyed those interviews from the Mile High Hunt and Fish Expo. Hey, if you've got something you want to hear on this show, you've got a topic you'd like for us to cover, we've got our Flesh Law text line that our co-host Kevin Flesh with his law firm sponsors for us. That text line is 720-201-8585. Again, 720-201-8585, and we'll try to cover your topic for you. So once again, thanks for being with us today for Sportsman of Colorado. Hope you have a great rest of your weekend, and we'll talk to you next week.
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Join Jody Heiss as he fills in for Tony Perkins on an enlightening episode of Washington Watch. Delve into President Trump’s first 100 days back in office, where action and achievement seem to have set a remarkable pace. Analyze the economic strides made through tariffs and investments, pushing America towards new heights. Congressman Addison McDowell shares insights on the next big legislative move, the reconciliation process, and protecting middle-class Americans. Meanwhile, Gordon Chang brings vital information on China’s economic state, painting a picture of a regime in turmoil amidst trade challenges.
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from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Heiss.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, good afternoon. Hope you're having a fantastic day. Welcome. Welcome to this Tuesday edition of Washington Watch. I am Jody Heiss, the Senior Vice President here at the Family Research Council and President of FRC Action. I'm deeply honored whenever having the opportunity to fill in for Tony, and he happens to be in Israel. He's leading a delegation of U.S. Christian leaders And so, as I said, it's great to be filling in for him. And we deeply appreciate you entrusting this hour of your time to us. Let me give you some of the highlights that we'll be covering today. Well, it's finally here. President Trump's 100th day back in office. And what a 100 days it's been. We've seen so much coming from this president. It's frankly hard to keep track of it all.
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President Donald Trump has been working nonstop at a feverish pace to deliver results for the American people. I don't think we've seen a president in 100 days get more things accomplished, follow through on more promises to get this country back on track. And we're only 100 days in. Yeah, he's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
We're only 100 days in. That was House Majority Leader Steve Scalise earlier this morning. And really, it's not easy to keep track of all that President Trump has done during these first 100 days. But we'll take a look at some of the promises that he's made and the promises he's kept when I'm joined by FRC Action's Matt Carpenter just a little bit later in the program. And today, as part of its week-long celebration of the president's 100 days, the White House highlighted the investments he's made in America through his economic agenda.
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At this point, President Trump has secured more investments in the United States of America in 100 days than Joe Biden did in four years. President Trump is America's businessman in chief. Under President Trump, there has never been a better time to invest in America. And the president finally said enough is enough and refused to allow America and our workers to be ripped off any longer on trade.
SPEAKER 04 :
Some powerful points there. That was White House Press Secretary Carolyn Leavitt earlier this morning. And while the president's actions are putting America first, no doubt about it, they're also putting China in a very tough spot.
SPEAKER 08 :
Over time, we will see that the Chinese tariffs are unsustainable for China. I've seen some very large numbers over the past few days that show if these numbers stay on, Chinese could lose 10 million jobs very quickly. So the onus will be on them to take off these tariffs. They're unsustainable for them.
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That was U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bassett, and I'll be discussing what's happening in China a little bit later in the program when I'm joined by China expert Gordon Chang. Meanwhile, the president's actions against DEI in the federal government are also having an impact on the private sector. And I'll discuss this later with Will Hild of Consumers Research. And then looking ahead, specifically past this first 100 days, what might we see coming in the next 100 days? Well, congressional Republicans are hoping it will be the president's big, beautiful bill that we've all been hearing about for the last several weeks. That one big, beautiful bill, which Mike Johnson, Speaker, has also been talking about, that's a big part. of what the president is trying to achieve. Congressman Addison McDowell, who's a member of the House Budget Committee, will be joining me here in just a moment to discuss the latest on that. So friends, we've got a lot coming your way as always. If by any chance you miss any portion of today's program, as you know by now, you can always catch it by going to our website, TonyPerkins.com, where you'll not only find this, but many other programs archived there, as well as lots of resources for you. All right, let's jump into our first topic. While congressional Republicans are absolutely celebrating President Trump's first 100 days in office, they're also working at fever pitch to keep the momentum going. And a key part of that is what's come to be known as the big, beautiful bill. It's the budget reconciliation process that's currently taking place in Congress. And as Speaker Johnson noted earlier today, the bill is going to be the vehicle through which the America First agenda will be delivered. What's the status of that bill? And how are congressional Republicans coming alongside the administration to make sure this gets across the finish line? Well, here to discuss this is freshman Congressman Addison McDowell, who serves on three committees, including the all-important Budget Committee. He represents the 6th Congressional District of North Carolina. Congressman McDowell, welcome to Washington Watch, and welcome to Congress.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, thank you so much. It's great to be with you today.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it's our pleasure to have you. Listen, you're a freshman, and before we jump into the reconciliation bill, I'd like for you to share a little bit of our audience about you, a little bit about yourself and your journey to Congress. I know you spoke on the House floor today regarding the National Fentanyl Awareness Day, and I know that's a very important issue to you. Tell us a little about that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, yeah, so my... My story, kind of the reason that I'm in politics and the reason that I ran for Congress is a story that is not uncommon to many, many Americans. I lost my younger brother, Luke, to a fentanyl poisoning in 2016. He was 20 years old, and his life was cut short by a poison that was being manufactured in China. and smuggled up through our southern border. And so I felt the effects of that tragic loss of my younger brother, and it led me to public service. And so I was able to speak about that today on the floor of the House, which is such an incredible honor. But it was a great way to highlight something that is not by any means unique to just my family, but many families across our country.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it's certainly not unique, Congressman, but it is deeply personal. And what an incredible story how God used that to bring you to where you are now and standing on behalf of millions of other families dealing with the same poison problem. If I can, let's turn and talk a little bit about the reconciliation bill, just because our time is going to slip away. What's the current state of this bill? How's the House and the Senate between the two handling it?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, well, so we're right now this week, we're beginning the reconciliation process. And so we're meeting in committees that are identifying different cost saving measures that we can find so that we can pay for middle class tax cuts. That is the key here. We're looking for savings so that we can deliver the America first agenda. And reconciliation, it's going to secure the border. It's going to unleash American energy. It's that drill, baby drill that the president talked about. And this is real savings for real Americans that we're rooting out this waste, fraud, and abuse that we've heard so much about. But we're protecting the president's mandate. The American people spoke loud and clear that they wanted to restore sanity to Washington. And that is exactly what this bill does.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it's amazing. And I don't think people really understand. It's a complicated thing. The whole process for a reconciliation bill is complicated. But it really is a vehicle by which the entire agenda is able to ride. And yet there's some bickering, obviously, back and forth. What are some of the hangups that need to be dealt with as this thing tries to get across the finish line?
SPEAKER 10 :
Sure. Well, I mean, they're mostly technical. And our conference is having the debate right now about, okay, how do we go about doing something? Do we do it this way or do we do it that way? And the thing that we want, all of us, I believe, is the most conservative, you know, agenda, America First agenda bill we can get, that we can get 218 votes for. That's the most that we can hope for. And so, you know, while the process may be different in the Senate, Or the process may be different in the House. I think we're aligned in that we want a conservative outcome here. And so there are certainly lively discussions and debates amongst Republicans in Congress. But at the end of the day, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that the main things here is secure the border and prevent a massive tax increase on the middle class that the Democrats have all voted for multiple times now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. So with all the hangups, the debates, the deliberations underway, are you seeing any progress? Do you feel good that this is going to make it to the end goal?
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. One hundred percent. I mean, I think you look at the leadership team right now. They've been doubted every single step of the way that we could deliver on tough votes that we didn't have a crazy margin that we could work with. And we've stuck together. We've done that. Now, I will say this about our speaker. I know that you and I both are men of faith. I think it's really good that we have a speaker that is on his hands and knees praying a lot because he's going to need it. Because this is going to be tough, but we didn't sign up for something easy. And so I think we're going to get this done no matter how hard it is. But I think we'll get it done.
SPEAKER 04 :
And having that knowledge of the genuineness of our speaker's relationship with the Lord gives tremendous, tremendous peace and assurance going through this process. Any idea how long you think the budget reconciliation bill will take to pass?
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, it's hard to say. I think it'll certainly – it looks like it'll be done by our August recess, but it's hard to say when exactly it will be done, and we can't – We can't control the Senate. So the Senate is a different ballgame completely. And so we're just going to have to see.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it is. Senate's always been. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I will refrain. But that's an issue always to deal with and another issue to pray about as we go through all of this. Now, it's been an amazing hundred days. Speaker Johnson actually has come out boldly stating that President Trump could probably likely be the most consequential president of modern times. Your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 10 :
I couldn't agree anymore. I mean, this president in the first 100 days has done more at such an incredible pace that it's almost hard to keep up with. But the simple four-word phrase that I think describes this perfectly is promises made, promises kept. It's a crazy concept in Washington to do what you say you're going to do. That's exactly what the president is doing. And I'm thankful for that. But this is common sense being restored. This woke nonsense is out and real world common sense solutions are in. The border's closed. I mean, look at the numbers. The president has proven what he said, that it didn't take new laws. It just took a new president. And our border is secure. We're well on our way to taking our country back from this invasion. And we're eliminating waste, fraud and abuse. I mean, this first 100 days,
SPEAKER 04 :
uh in comparison to the last four years is it's a 180 degree difference stunning i was speaking to a group just last night in my opinion the next 100 days is going to be just as busy as the first 100 days our time is about up but do you agree with that yeah i couldn't agree more absolutely Congressman Addison McDowell of North Carolina, I can't tell you what an honor it is to have you both in Congress and to have you a part of Washington Watch this evening. We are grateful that God has placed you where you are in the midst of great personal trial to get you there. But God bless you, my friend. Thanks for joining us. Look forward to talking to you again in the future. All right, friends, coming up, we're going to have Matt Carpenter on to talk about this past first hundred days of President Trump's second term and what can we expect going forward in the future. A lot more coming your way here on Washington Watch. Stay tuned. We'll be back in a moment.
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At Family Research Council, we believe religious freedom is a fundamental human right that all governments must protect. That's why FRC President Tony Perkins went to Capitol Hill to testify on behalf of persecuted Christians in Nigeria. Islamist terror groups target Christians and other religious minorities in Nigeria with brutal violence. Representative Chris Smith, who chaired the hearing, said 55,000 people have been killed and 21,000 abducted in the last five years alone. The congressman also stressed that 89% of Christians in the world who are martyred are from Nigeria.
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Yet the government of Nigeria has failed to make progress against religiously motivated persecution of Christians despite religious freedom being enshrined as an essential human right in their constitution.
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Tony Perkins called for the United States to send an unmistakable message.
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Redesignating Nigeria will enable the U.S. government to pressure Nigerian leaders to protect vulnerable Christians.
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We live in fear because at any point it can be our turn to be killed. But to remain silent is to die twice. So I have chosen to speak.
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SPEAKER 04 :
Good afternoon. Hope you're having a great day. Welcome back to Washington Watch. I am your host Jody Heiss sitting in today for Tony. All right. As we've been discussing today, today, April 29th, officially marks President Trump's 100th day in office. And as you probably have heard, the White House actually started celebrating this week on Monday all the accomplishment of the second Trump administration. And they're going to continue celebrating all through the week. And why is this important? historically a president's first 100 days in office or in this case back in office but that first 100 days acts as a marker it's a marker to determine how successful how effective that president has been and it sets the pace for how successful we can anticipate that president being so as we look at these hundred days it's a significant milestone and the question How successful has President Trump fared so far in his second term? And what can we expect in the next 100 days? Well, here to discuss this is Matt Carpenter. He's the director for FRC Action. Matt, welcome back to Washington Watch. Great to have you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thanks for having me, Jody.
SPEAKER 04 :
All righty, the 100th day is finally here. I know you and I and a host of others, we've been working through this 100 days from the very beginning. It's hard to believe it's already here, but how has President Trump performed with his commitments so far?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I mean, it's been a barnstorm of a first 100 days, certainly a brisk pace for sure. Jody, shortly after the election, we took the task to ourselves to go back and look through all the public statements, all the campaign rallies, some of the very policy-oriented videos that the Trump campaign put out. All the specific ones. The president was famous for his Make America Great Again, Make America Safe Again. Some of those taglines, we haven't included those. Those are a little bit more on the subjective side. It's tough to measure some of those open to interpretation, let's say, but we identified 52 specific statements. On day one, I'll do this. My Department of Justice will do that. Things that we thought we could credibly post online and then as the administration took action on those proposals. And so far, I think about 140 executive orders later, he's addressed all but 16 of them, Jody. A number of them are partially completed. Some of them, like onshoring critical medicines, for example, are ongoing. You hear it almost daily, investments some of these pharmaceutical companies are making in producing needed medicines. here in America. And so we're still tracking this, but for sure, it's been a very successful, by the metrics they've laid out on the campaign, first 100 days for the Trump administration.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it's been amazing. In fact, I have the website up here. For those of you who may want to go check this out, Matt and his team did a spectacular job. You can find it at frcaction.org slash trump tracker, frcaction.org slash trump tracker. The promise is made, the promise is kept, where it all stands. So Matt, what major takeaways can we draw, takeaways that you draw from this first 100 days so far?
SPEAKER 11 :
I think really, really out of the gate, the president took initiative to address the major concerns of the American people, the issues that were center to the to the electorate at large, things like immigration, securing the border. We saw in the previous administration threw open the southern border and basically did everything they could to just inject the country full of non-citizens. That's been, you know, all illegal border crossings are basically plummeted to zero at this point, and the president's deportation plans are still ongoing. Addressing the cost of living crisis, we had, you know, historic inflation under the Biden-Harris administration. The Trump administration has, you know, he's directed the entire federal government, the entire executive branch to look for ways to address the cost of living crisis. They've identified energy policy as one of the kind of underpinning areas where they think that they can bring down the cost of goods. And so they've done a lot getting out of the Paris Climate Accords, going after the Obama era clean power plan rule. to make energy more affordable. And they've also done things kind of aspirational. And you almost kind of wonder, is President Trump having a little fun here with our neighbor to the north in Canada, talking about annexing Canada, but maybe more seriously looking at Greenland, renaming the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of America. So he's got his eye on the history books, I think, with the first 100 days here. But he's not neglected some of the commitments he's made to the more socially conservative elements of the Republican Party. He's reinstated the Mexico City policy. He's overturned the Department of Defense's policy to reimburse for travel related to performing abortions, which was a huge one, something that FRC Action was engaged in during the Biden-Harris administration, supporting Senator Tuberville's stand there. You remember that, Jody? Oh, yeah. And then also enforcing the Hyde Amendment. Just huge policy wins.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it's absolutely incredible, like you said. And, you know, this is not necessarily a big deal, so we don't need to go into it. But have you by chance had any opportunity to kind of compare the first 100 days of this Trump administration versus the first 100 days of Biden?
SPEAKER 11 :
It did. Jody, I went back and looked and I hate to bring us all back to the COVID era, but the major focus of the Biden administration those first 100 days were things like mask mandates and vaccine mandates and just folding the LGBT agenda into every nook and cranny of the federal government and promoting so-called gender-affirming care to minors, and throwing open the southern border as well. So it's just been, the Trump administration is almost like an immune reaction to the cancers of the Biden-Harris administration in some ways. It's just this reaction, this 180 from those policies and a pure repudiation from the American people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Less than a minute to go here. Matt, real quickly, what do you anticipate in the next 100 days?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I think you and Congressman McDowell covered this well. I think the focus is going to be a lot on this big, beautiful bill, the reconciliation bill. As I understand, there'll be tax reform elements. There'll be some elements related to border enforcement. The president's immigration plans as well will be included there. And then I anticipate there'll be some national defense spending as well. And then we'll probably pivot into posturing for the midterms. That's coming up. We're not even halfway through 2025, and already 2026 is underway.
SPEAKER 04 :
Unbelievable. Matt Carpenter, Director of FRC Action, thank you so much. A job well done to you and all of your team. Just high five all of them for me. Thank you. And thank you for joining us on Washington Watch.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thanks, Jody. Great to be with you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks. All right. Coming up next, all that's happened this first 100 days and all the economic things that are taking place, China is also being majorly impacted by all of this. In fact, our next guest says that China is now exhibiting end of regime conduct. Coming back, Gordon Chang will join me. You don't want to miss this. We'll be back in a moment.
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Welcome back. Thank you for joining us today on Washington Watch. I'm Jody Heist filling in this week for Tony, who is in Israel. All right, in kicking off this week's celebration of President Trump's first 100 days back in office, the White House yesterday highlighted its efforts on border security. Today, it focused on the economy and the investments that President Trump has made in America's future. And while we wait to see how his liberation day, that refers to the tariffs, we wait to see how all that's going to play out for America. We might already be seeing how they're impacting America's biggest adversary. That would be China, which continues to try and protect its economy and their image, despite evidence to the contrary. So is China and their economy in dire straits? Well, here to discuss this is China expert Gordon Chang. He's a senior fellow at the Gatestone Institute and author of several books, including Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. You can find him on X at the handle at Gordon G. Chang. Gordon, welcome back to Washington Watch. Always an honor to have you.
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It's always an honor to be talking to you, Jody. So thank you.
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Well, listen, I have seen some of your other interviews. I've seen what you've written, and it's just amazing the insight that you're bringing to the table, how China is being impacted right now. Let's start with them defending what they call free trade by calling for nations to stick together and resist the U.S. tariffs, where you say that their approach to trade is both predatory and criminal. Why is that?
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First of all, it's criminal because China's been stealing hundreds of billions of dollars of US intellectual property each year, probably on the order of a half trillion dollars annually. But it's increasingly predatory because China has failed to honor its trade obligations, especially those that it took on when it acceded to the World Trade Organization. So we have a China right now that is ramping up its export production giving subsidies, all sorts of things that are not permitted under the rules that it had accepted. And that's why President Trump imposed his tariffs. And that's why other countries also have imposed tariffs on Chinese goods, because they don't want to have China decimate their industries as China decimated ours.
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Wow. All right. So what's happening in China, both as a response, as a result of the tariffs imposed by President Trump, but around the world, likewise, trying to protect their other interests, other countries. What kind of impact is this having on China?
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Well, we're starting to see factories close, especially in the export sector in the south. The layoffs are going to be they're going to start rolling. They're going to even be worse than they have been. Even before Liberation Day, the Chinese economy probably was contracting. China claims 5.4% growth in the first quarter. But when we look at the price data, Jody, we see an economy in deflation. And that's hard to reconcile an economy in a deflationary spiral with robust growth. So now when China can't export because of these tariffs, because their exports are way down, I think we're going to see a Chinese economy that will be plunging. Wow.
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Wow. One of the things, Gordon, that I read from you that I said, I want Gordon on the program to talk about this. You've suggested China's behavior right now exhibits what you call end of regime conduct. Can you expound on that?
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In the last three weeks, Jody, we've seen very provocative Chinese military activity directed against South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Australia. Now, this is at a time when China actually needs friends because it needs to export more. Remember, it's not exporting many goods to the U.S., and it needs to sell those to other countries, and yet it is making enemies of other countries, especially countries in the region very close to China's shores. That is lashing out. It's extremely counterproductive, nonsensical. And so I think that end of regime behavior is perfect description for what China is doing right now. It just looks of desperation. It looks like it is just irrational.
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Wow. And I actually aired coming into the program today, Treasury Secretary Scott said that they could lose, China could lose as many as 10 million jobs through all of this. And I'm actually seeing reports of riots taking place in the streets. This is a very serious situation in China right now, isn't it?
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It is, and it's certainly more than $10 million because even the investment banks are talking about layoffs of $16 million, and it could very well be more than that because we're dealing with an export sector that is basically no customers. It was ailing last year, and now with the tariff war, it is in a position where China can't do very much except try to give subsidies or social benefits to laid-off workers. But the number of workers who are going to be laid off will be in the millions, and it could even be more than that.
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All right, less than a minute left. Is all this going to bring China to the table to negotiate?
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You would think so. But what we see is China trying to give concessions in the dark, such as eliminating tariffs on essential American goods, such as aviation parts, industrial chemicals, some semiconductors, medical devices. medicines. They don't want to talk to the United States for various political internal reasons, but they will give concessions. And that is actually folding. You know, a lot of people say, oh, President Trump folded. But no, I don't think he did. But clearly China is.
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Wow. Incredible information. Gordon Chang, Senior Fellow at the Gatestone Institute, thank you as always for joining us on Washington Watch. All right, coming up next, major companies are rethinking their previous approaches to pride marketing. I'll be talking with Will Hilde about all of this. He's the Executive Director of Consumers Research. A lot more coming your way. Stay tuned. We'll bring all those developments to you in just a moment.
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How's he done? I couldn't have asked for more. It's been such an incredible whirlwind of pushback and executive orders on the entire DEI grift complex. Really nothing more we could ask for, especially just this last week when they got rid of the disparate impact. from the LBJ administration, which was basically an excuse to discriminate against normal people without any proof that any kind of discrimination actually happened because all you needed was the fact that a rule or a policy affected one group more than another. So I think it's been fantastic and we've seen what this is doing to the federal government. But I'm hopeful over the next 100 days, we're going to start to see this trickle through to the for-profit sector, the corporate sector, because a lot of this was actually driven by government, either threats of suit against companies that didn't have a DEI department or weren't engaging in DEI, or government contracts that required DEI to be going on at the company in order to get federal funds.
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Yeah, that is what's so impressive to me. His work in this first 100 days, specifically on this issue, is far beyond impacting just the federal government. I mean, we just had the New York City Pride Parade just lose a ton of major sponsors, people like MasterCard, Citi, and PepsiCo. all sorts of companies pulling out from Pride Month and all this kind of stuff, the parade there. Tell us about that. Why are these companies pulling out?
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Yeah, I think there's a few reasons going on there. First of all, I think that they are increasingly seeing consumer fatigue with the constant shoving of the LGBTQ agenda down people's throats through the corporate sector. They don't get as much credit as they used to get from the left for doing it anyway, and they're getting an increasing amount of heat for doing it from people who just won't want these corporations to engage in politics at all. They find it nauseating. So I think that's part of it. In addition, it's going to take a long time. It's sort of like if you were to take out a bunch of poison from a pond, it takes a little while for things to return back to the way that they used to be. I think we're going to find out that a lot of this corporate activity, as I alluded to before, was actually being driven by government action, either direct subsidization through programs that required it or encouraged it, or enforcement of Civil Rights Act-type statutes that went after corporations if they weren't being seen as properly deferential to these advocacy groups. I think what you're seeing, from what I've seen, there actually is huge layoffs going on at Human Rights Council, one of the big activist groups that were pushing this agenda. It suggests that donations are down. They've lost a lot of momentum. I'm hopeful that this is a combination of consumer fatigue from what we've seen. We've seen a lot of that with the work that we've done, but also an ending to the subsidization and enforcement against companies that don't do it.
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So it's both. I think you're spot on with that. The people are fatigued with all this stuff being crammed down their throats, but unquestionably, the role that the Trump administration has had pushing back against all these things has likewise had an impact. I think that's a good insight. Is there anything else you think that the Trump administration can do to discourage, not just from the federal government, but discourage these big companies from continuing to push the woke ideologies on consumers?
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Absolutely, and the big thing, we've actually pointed them in some directions for this, but the big thing is that executive order, a lot of people didn't even know about, that Trump put out requesting that each agency that has civil rights enforcement action, so that's almost all of them, because almost all of them have some sort of civil rights department, look for nine corporations or organizations that are currently discriminating against whites or Christians and go after them for that because as we all know it has become basically commonplace for Christians to be discriminated against in the workplace. Getting involved in Pride Month itself in my estimation is a hostile workplace environment infraction for a corporation. Imagine if MasterCard said that they were going to force every employee to go to trainings or celebrate Easter for an entire month. Imagine the lawsuits that would come out of that. And yet that's what they've been doing every June. So that EO from Trump pointing people or pointing the agencies to look into, pick nine organizations or companies and look into that. I'm literally looking for follow through on that. I think that's gonna be huge. If corporations really start to feel the heat from that, If people like Harmeet Dhillon, who now runs the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, if the inspector generals in the civil rights divisions of even the Department of Education, which has been mainly shut down but still does have by statute a Department of Civil Rights, if they start going after schools and corporations and medical facilities for this kind of discrimination and DEI behavior, then I think you'll really start to see it's already in retreat. but it's sort of a war of attrition. They're just sort of slowly laying people off. I think you start seeing the lawsuits flying. This stuff will be disavowed. They will be coming to the government saying, how do we just settle? We engaged in this for a decade, but we know it's illegal. How do we get ourselves out of this? So that's really the next step that I'm looking for. Some of the targets that we've gone after, I think, make great candidates. For example, we've gone after the Cleveland Clinic for a rank – discrimination against not only their own employees, but also patients. They'd set up programs that were only open to people of a certain skin color. And of course, they've been engaging in child sex changes, which is grotesque and, you know, almost you struggle for words to describe that in horrible enough ways. If they were to face legal consequences from the Trump administration, I think that would go a long way to cleaning up our entire society.
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Wow. All right. So that's encouraging. What about what about on the consumer side? So you've got the pressure that you're saying that the Trump administration can still apply. Is there anything that consumers can do to send a message to these major retailers to back off all these pride celebrations and DEI initiatives and quit pushing all that stuff down our throats?
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Absolutely. I'm so glad you asked that question because I think conservatives tend to only think of their power being in terms of their wallet. In other words, if they don't like a company organization, what they're doing, they'll just won't shop there. I won't spend my money there anymore. The problem with that is twofold. One, the left is very noisy when they do that. They let people, they use their other category, which is voice, right? So they connect the fact that revenues are falling with what they're upset about. If you don't tell... a company, why it is you stop shopping there. They spend millions upon millions of dollars trying to figure out why people shop at Target or Walmart or go to a different place. It's hard. It's not an easy thing to do and you have to do all kinds of polling. It's a lot easier when you send an email or call somebody and say, I don't appreciate this thing. We saw this with Target. We saw this with Budweiser. It went viral on social media. Say something both to the company and say something on social media because they track that kind of thing, right? So I would say two categories. Use both your wallet and use your voice. Make sure to use that voice. Conservatives haven't been doing that. If people would like to get involved with us to help with that, we have something on our website at consumersresearch.org. That's consumersresearch.org. It's called Woke Alerts. We won't bombard you, but it's a once a week text message based system. We will text you the woke company of the week, but we won't just get you rattled and angry about all the bad things that are happening. We always have a call to action. We always have a way to contact the company, either by phone or email or on social media, and tell them why it is you're upset about them. And we've seen huge results with that. Whole DEI departments have fallen because we've put out woke alerts on this. We have about, I think, over 100,000 subscribers to this. It doesn't cost a dime. We won't hit you up for money once a week and everything. So this isn't about us making money. This is about activating a base of people to communicate to these companies and push back, and it's been working.
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Incredible. Woke company of the week. All right, real quick, last question, because I want to get to my next guest real quickly. But we do have woke companies out there. Ben & Jerry's, Costco, Delta. I mean, there's a host of them. J.P. Morgan. What would you say to those companies? What's your message to them real quickly?
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Absolutely. Well, I think some of them have staked their position and made it very clear from the beginning. Ben and Jerry's probably isn't going to change. Even their own, you know, the names of the ice cream usually have some woke connotation to a lot of them. But I think companies like J.P. Morgan have to be a lot more nervous because, one, they serve a much more diverse politically and socioeconomically consumer base, and they have to be worried about their perception. So pushing back on that is going to be a lot more effective. The other thing they have to worry about is banking is an incredibly regulated industry. And if people start to speak to their representatives, both at the state and the federal level, and say, I don't like what JP Morgan is doing in terms of debanking conservatives or Christians. I don't like what they're doing in terms of the pushing harmful net zero, which is, I won't go into all that, but basically it's going to raise prices for basically everything you buy. If people start to talk to their elected representatives about that, they have to worry about that big time. And so that's another thing you can do is talk to your state and local reps or your federal reps and say, I don't like what these big banks are trying to do to control our politics. They should stick to banking, not engage in that. So think about when you're, you know, let's say you make three phone calls, right? Don't call Ben and Jerry's. That would not be a recommendation. They get conservative hate. They've been getting it for the entirety of their existence. But a company like Wells Fargo, a company like J.P. Morgan, a company like Bank of America, for example, which has become very woke but still literally has the word America. It literally wears the flag as part of its logo. Pushing back on a company like that and letting them know you know what they're up to and you don't like it, that's going to have way more of an effect. So I pick those neutral targets or companies that try to come across as neutral. you
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Thank you, Will Hilde, Executive Director of Consumers Research. Great information. Thank you for joining us today on Washington Watch.
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God bless.
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God bless you as well, my friend. All right, I want to transition over real quickly because there's some things that have been happening in Ohio that I think you need to be aware of. And I want to bring on, if I can right now, Joshua Arnold. He's the senior writer with the Washington Stand. Joshua, thank you for... hanging out and for coming on Washington Watch.
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Hi, Jody. Happy to be here.
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All right. Let's go to the Supreme Court has been in Ohio, has made some pretty significant calls here recently on the transgender issue. Bring us up to speed.
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That's right. Ohio is one of 27 states that have passed protections for minors, protecting them from gender transition procedures. As has been the case in many of these states, some liberal activist lawyers sued. They got an injunction against, or they got a ruling against that law. An appellate court in Ohio ruled that it was unconstitutional in order to the lower court judge to issue a permanent injunction that would keep the state from enforcing this law. The state appealed to the Supreme Court. They asked for an emergency stay that would allow them to continue enforcing the law while the appeal proceeds. And this morning, the Supreme Court of Ohio granted that stay.
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Wow. All right, so what's next? Sometimes all this legal back and forth can get very confusing. What's the next step in all of this?
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In fact, it's particularly confusing in this case because the ACLU that challenged the law disagreed with the state about what the proper appellate procedure was. So the Supreme Court, it looks like, has stepped in to straighten that out and said, okay, pause on all lower court actions. We've got the ball now. And now it's going to be the Supreme Court of Ohio hearing an appeal by Attorney General Dave Yost, who's been on this program before, about that law to protect children from cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers, which have irreversible effects.
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Well, there's just so much taking place on this one issue alone, and so many different issues, but this is a big one that we're so thrilled there's momentum here. And, for example, the Trump administration, the Department of Justice, has reversed the Biden administration's support of prison inmates having transgender surgeries. Tell us about that. What has the Trump administration done here?
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That's right. It was actually suits brought by prisoners in Georgia, in Georgia state prisons against the state of Georgia. And the Biden administration Department of Justice intervened to file what are called statements of interest, claiming that by not allowing these prisoners to get taxpayer funded gender transition surgeries, the state of Georgia was violating the Americans with Disability Act and the Eighth Amendment. which prohibits cruel and unusual punishments. That's obviously ridiculous. The Trump Administration Department of Justice, its Office of Civil Rights, has now reversed those statements of interest and pointed out that actually, no, there's no law that requires taxpayers to pay for gender transition procedures, especially surgeries, for prisoners. And that's going on with a whole sea change there in the Department of Justice that the Trump Administration is bringing about.
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couldn't have said it any better the sea change it's happening across the board joshua arnold senior writer at the washington stand thank you so much for this update that is unfolding today in ohio thanks for joining us all right friends that wraps up another edition of washington watch amazing how fast time flies but thank you so much for joining us keep the torch ablaze and we'll see you again tomorrow right here on washington watch
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That's right so this judge we talked about when she was arrested uh kind of the the shocking overview of that but now we're getting more details as this criminal complaint been released and we are looking at the details and stick around because we're gonna go through exactly what she did to hide this illegal migrant from the the Border Patrol and ICE authorities when they had an administrative warrant to take him into custody but she's being charged with Title 18, USC section 1505 and Title 18, U.S. Code section 1071. And we all know what that is.
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Well, I will help you instead. 18 U.S.C. 1505 is obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees. And 18 U.S. Code 1071 is concealing a person from arrest. These both can... go along with it, considerable jail time and fines, upwards of as many as five years for one of the counts that you could be imprisoned.
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And let's remember, she got the guy out the back door and then he was caught pretty much immediately after. Right.
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So it's like, well, kind of going how they even caught him was remarkable as well.
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So she's facing these charges on not only a failed attempt, but a very short-lived failed attempt. I mean, the guy had minutes. uh to get out and of course the police force and ice uh took care of business we're going to get into that as will said go into the details of what happened what she's facing and what this looks like for other judges who are facing similar uh issues obviously we know about the ones that were that had in new mexico that were having these same kind of uh people living with them uh you know gang members do this i mean this person in wisconsin it's not like this person was here for a better life and had had escaped and gotten asylum like none of those things this is serious charges that they were up against even in that moment in that day violent charges that's right he had already been deported back in 2013 and came back to the united states illegally and the reason he was in court that day before judge dugan
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That's right. So the immigration officials had from an authorized immigration official found probable cause to believe that Flores Ruiz was removable from the United States and issued a warrant for his arrest. So they're going through the process. And upon his arrest, he would be given notice of intent decision to reinstate a prior order, which is removal from the United States because he had been preempted. previously deported and then he would have an opportunity to contest the determination by making a written or oral statement to an immigration officer so this wasn't someone that was being picked up in a part of trend de aragua or ms-13 and going to be put on a flight to el salvador this is normal immigration enforcement process so it's not even something that the judge could have a uh an issue with saying you know there's these injunctions against or anything yeah This is normal process of someone who had already been deported and was before her court for very serious criminal charges. And they even make note.
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Again, not criminal charges that are just immigration related. Right. Actually not immigration related. Offenses within the United States. Violent crime within the United States is the charges that were why he was there in the room.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they even say that when they're going to these courthouse issues, they say this within this charging document, that they don't go to family court issues or civil court issues. They only use the courthouse as the venue when they know someone is there for a criminal charge. So just that fact alone. But they went through the entire process here. The immigration officials talked with the sheriff's department, who's in charge of keeping the courthouse safe. They talked with clerks and administrators at the courthouse to make sure everything was in line. And they also say they do this, especially with criminal offenses many times, where they will pick up someone for arrest. because it's safer for the arresting officers, for the individual, for the people around, because they know that person's coming through security. They're not going to be armed. There's not going to be an issue that could escalate further and cause violence or harm to other people. So this is a routine thing they do when they have the information that someone that they are after, that they have a warrant for, is going to be in the court now they went there they spoke with people at the court the clerk said can you please wait to do the arrest until after his case has gone through its hearing so don't obstruct our state process let that play out before and they agreed so these agents are there there's people from ice there's border patrol there are fbi agents and they wait and then the attorney for this individual goes and tells the judge, there's ICE agents out there. This part is where it turns to the point of absurdity. And they say that she got visibly angry in the courtroom, called the clerk over, and then she went outside and confronted them visibly angry many witnesses said and said you have to go she said do you have a warrant a a judicial warrant no i have an administrative warrant which is what a uh an immigration warrant would be and she says no you have to have a judicial warrant to do this here you need to go talk to the chief judge So they say, okay, they're obliging and everything. They are trying to keep this calm and do this by the book. They go to the chief judge's office. One of the agents that was there because they were all plainclothes was not a part of that discussion and was on the other side of the hall. watched her then go look around for other agents to make sure they're all gone goes back in the courtroom confers with the attorney of this defendant takes him through she summons him over takes him through the jury chamber and then directs him, and that's all non-public areas, so they can't do an arrest there. Takes him, gets him through a different exit. Then after they talk to the chief judge, and he says, you may make arrests within the public areas. This is fine. They then go back out. They see him going through another door, very Scooby-Doo, as you mentioned, that was not directly behind that courtroom of Judge Duggan. And then they pursue him in a foot chase and end up catching him. And they have all this very matter of minutes. As you said, it wasn't even successful, but she orchestrated this elaborate distraction. Go talk to the chief judge.
SPEAKER 03 :
By the way, didn't we find out also that the people on the other side of the case, I don't know, the lawyers of the people who were...
SPEAKER 05 :
potentially allegedly beaten including a man and a woman that were beaten by this guy weren't involved in this weren't told right so the lawyer for the defendant was talking having this sidebar with the judge but the lawyer for the state the state's attorney was told none of this and all of a sudden he's like where's the defendant and the clerk goes oh the judge has informed me that his proceedings have been adjourned for the day and he's like well why didn't you tell me any of this also the victims are here and the victim advocate was there and still this judge thought she had the authority this arrogance To say, you know what? I don't care about the law anymore. I am going, I don't like what the administration is doing with this immigration stuff. I've already told people if they're scared to come in my courtroom, you don't have to come into court. You can come into Zoom. I am going to subvert the law. That's where people lose faith in our institutions.
SPEAKER 03 :
I want to take this call, Scotty's calling, because I think he's asking the question that certainly I'm asking, which is essentially, why are you risking your life, your career, over someone who is again this is not oh your favorite family man who came over who brought his fam through and they're being deported there's a lot of heart there i understand those you know i understand having a heart for people who need help but when it's talking about somebody who their alleged crime is beating a woman who is his roommate and another man uh this is why risk it all and scotty go ahead
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, just that. What kind of tie does this judge have with this illegal immigrant, whether it's relational or monetary, that she would put her life in jeopardy for this guy? Does it make sense?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think it's somewhat, it could mean, look, there's a lot of obviously corruption that goes on, but there's obviously the sort of, you don't want to say it, but the Trump derangement syndrome that breaks people down. I've seen a lot of good friends get broken down by this. And look, sometimes I understand it's tough, But if you're a judge, a sitting judge in Wisconsin or anywhere in this country, you still have a job to do and you got to do it. And your responsibility as an American isn't to do this.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and there's a question coming in from YouTube. This is Patrick that asks, how do these people get appointed in the first place? Well, this is a state court. This person's elected. This person is elected by the people of Wisconsin. So she will have a reelection, which we'll see how that plays out, if she's even still able to serve as a judge because of a conviction or things of that nature. But that's what you're looking at here. These state court judges are elected by people, and then they feel like they have the utmost authority. Now, they do have a lot of authority when it comes to the courtroom and making decisions and interpreting the law. But that doesn't give them the right to take the law into their own hands. This wasn't even some excuse she could come up with that there's an injunction, which we'll talk about those injunctions in the next segment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
But there's this injunction in place. And so I was concerned he was going to be put on a plane to El Salvador. No, this was a warrant. that was valid someone who'd already been deported and still violated that and came back and she ignored it you can't ignore the law that's the famous thing from leticia james where she said no one's above the law when going after president trump they think that they are above the law and you know what you're not and you can get arrested for that and that's what happened happened right now
SPEAKER 03 :
Look, in one minute, we're going to be back. We're going to take a quick break. When we get back, my dad, Jay Sekulow, is going to be joining us. But in this next minute that we have on the air with you, it's an important time. You may feel like we are amped up right now. It's because we are, because these are some of the biggest days of our year. We need your support right now. Donations are only doubled through the end of this month. So if you can't support the work of the ACLJ, I'm just going to read you a few things that we're doing because there's no case too small and no case too large for the ACLJ when we're going to protect your constitutional rights, the precious life of the unborn and your freedoms. We're fighting for right now. These are just a few. A grandmother was told she can't hold a Bible study. A student who was told she can't pray. A preacher arrested for sharing the gospel. A nurse who's being forced to participate in abortions. Pro-life centers are being attacked just for providing hope and life. FBI whistleblowers whose livelihoods were wrecked by the deep state. and a president who was banned from the ballot. That is just what we've done in the last, I don't know, year or less. Some of those are ongoing right now. Give today if you can at ACLJ.org. We'll be right back with Jay Sekulow. Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines are open for you. I want to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. We also know a bunch of you are joining us live on YouTube right now. So I encourage you, if you haven't yet, hit that thumbs up. It really does help us get into more people's feeds and get this message out there. because it's an important time as we are on the countdown, essentially, for the last day of our life in Liberty Drive. We need your support right now. My dad, Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel for the ACLJ, is joining us right now. Dad, obviously, you and the team have been hard at work, but there are some interesting new cases that are coming out of the ACLJ. We wanted to make sure, as we head towards the end of this life in Liberty Drive, that we keep everybody updated.
SPEAKER 06 :
We're going to have more detail on this tomorrow on the broadcast, but let me just start. We are representing the state of West Virginia, so the ACLJ is counsel to a state, challenging these district court judges that are issuing nationwide injunctions against the executive order signed by President Trump. Now, the problem is, A district court's jurisdiction is supposed to be very narrow, very limited to the locale where they're sitting. That's not the case that has happened now with President Trump. So here's what's going on. There's an emergency stay at the Supreme Court of the United States. We worked on this brief through the weekend and are ready to file it momentarily, hopefully. And it will, in fact, be, I think, the seminal, the key brief on limiting the jurisdictions of these US district courts that are issuing, instead of issuing their injunction covering, say, the Northern District of New York, they issue an injunction covering the entire country, even though they only sit in the jurisdiction for Northern New York. It has to stop. When we talk about law and order, when we talk about separation of powers, what's the president's authority, what's the judiciary's? The one thing the judiciary cannot be is a policymaker. But a lot of these judges have taken that element. And the answer to that at the Supreme Court needs to be you can't do that. So we are open. front and center on that. Like I said, very significantly, and you'll have more details on it tomorrow, we are representing the state of West Virginia in this cause of action. We've got a lot of other cases breaking right now, but I want to spend some time on this, Logan, because the implications are very significant.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's a big day and a big case that will come in, like you said, tomorrow. We're going to have my brother Jordan will be on. We're also going to have some friends from West Virginia joining us. So it's going to be a great show. You want to make sure you tune in for that. But Will,
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, this is just obviously this is an issue everyone has been paying attention to and concerned about. But I think it's important to reiterate that at the ACLJ, we watch and we find the appropriate time to file in something like this so that we can make the strongest impact that sometimes we want that immediate. How can we fight back? But this is the example of the ACLJ hard at work. finding the right avenue, the right representation to go after something. That is an issue that I know that our listeners and members at the ACLJ are very, very concerned about. And this happens to be that moment.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it is, Will. And let me talk to our ACLJ members and our ACLJ champions, especially. Let me tell you this. This case is the repercussions, the reason we've gotten involved so aggressively and so quickly. This case has huge ramifications. I mean, gigantic ramifications. uh when you elect a president they're supposed to be able to work through their executive authorities without a court doing what these courts have been doing and they've been doing it pretty much without stop now the spring court has got this application they've asked for briefings so this is going to it's going to move in days here so i want everybody to understand this but we have to fight back on this because what you have is an unelected judge somewhere in the country the issue with the stroke of a pen in order to stop the administration policy for the entire country. Then you ask yourself, well, why can't they stop that for foreign policy as well? And the answer is, under these judges' interpretation, they have authority to do anything. The answer has to be no. So, you know, it's one thing that the government's fighting it, but now the states are fighting it. And I said we're in a very unique situation, folks. And we are fighting back aggressively. I want to say also something to our ACLJ champions. We couldn't do this without you. We appreciate it so much. Also to our ACLJ members. So continue to support the work of the ACLJ. Maybe you can become an ACLJ champion. We're in a matching challenge campaign, the last moment here. And we could use your support in a big way. These cases are tough. Look, the one thing you know is these cases are complex and they're different than what we've done in the past because they're moving at a different pace. So we have our Supreme Court team is fully engaged on making sure that we're moving forward on these. Jordan is as well. And I'm very optimistic on where it goes. It's going to take some time. But like I said, the time on this, Logan and Will, is going to be days, not months on this one.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we'll keep updated on that. That's precisely when you'll hear from people like my dad, my brother, when there is really important, incredible things they need to come on and share. Obviously, Will and I are always going to be sharing the updates on the ACLJ. We're going to have on some of our incredible legal team that's here in studio, you know, Harry Hutchinson or CeCe Heil. We're going to have a lot of those people always on this broadcast. We have great guests coming in. Rick Grinnell is going to be joining us a little bit later in the broadcast as well. But know that everyone is hard at work. The ACLJ team is in full action. I think when you have a case like this, Dad, in West Virginia, it can get a little lost in what we're doing. When you look at what we're doing on a local level, like we said, we'll talk about the grandmother who can't hold a Bible study. But on a bigger, bigger scale, the ACLJ can still get involved on these really world-changing, if not just America-changing laws that are happening right now as they battle against this administration.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, you're absolutely right, Logan. And let me let me take it. You talk about like the Bible study can't happen in a way. So what if the court rules against us in a case like that and issues a nationwide injunction banning Bible studies from happening in neighborhoods? Now, that sounds absurd, but it's the same principle of when these judges don't have jurisdiction, they think they can without limits. Do whatever they want. So the answer has to be no, the way you handle this is not is not by just speaking and talking about it, which is important. You have to litigate it. And that's why we're honored to be representing West Virginia. Jordan will be on with you tomorrow to talk more about that, but it applies to any case. So this case involving jurisdiction. is critical to moving things forward we have to win this uh it may take additional briefing we'll see how it goes but like i said it's moving very very quick and we'll keep everybody updated on that look we got two minutes left in this segment and this some some of you lose us here it's the first half hour the show is wrapping up
SPEAKER 03 :
If you feel engaged, empowered, you hear what we're doing here and you want to get involved, this is it, folks. This is the last 24 hours. You need to do it right now. You just heard from my dad, Jay Sekulow. Later on, you're going to hear from Rick Grinnell, this incredible team that we're able to put together and get hard at work. Because remember the ACLJ, we do this show and we also do incredible amounts of great media content, but we also are on the front lines of the legal battles. I believe those go hand in hand. We have to have support for both. And you need to support both. And when you support the ACLJ, it does that. It supports our media team here. Like I said, if you look just beyond this camera, you'd see dozens of people that are working on this show right now to make sure we're on the air. And of course we have our legal team, some right here in studio, some in Washington, DC and others around the world. Some places you don't even get to know about because of how incredible their work is and how brave some of this media team and this legal team is with that. I want to tell you, let's put the QR code back on the screen. If you're watching, scan that QR code or just go straight to ACLJ.org and all donations made in the next 24 hours will be doubled. You've heard about all the cases we're working on. That's just the tip of the iceberg. When you get a tax-deductible gift, you are helping not just these cases. You are also helping make sure the ACLJ is still there and still there for you. And we have months that are down when the economy is down. Or hey, you may say, hey, we got President Trump. Why do we need the ACLJ? This is why. You just heard it. We got to be there even stronger. We got to have the best of the best. So I encourage you, help us expand this work. Help us continue this work. Go to ACLJ.org, scan that QR code. Second half hour coming up. This is less than a minute break.
SPEAKER 04 :
Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Welcome back to Sekulow, second half hour of the show coming up right now. Will Haynes is joining me in studio, as well as Rick Grinnell, who'll be with us a little bit later, not via studio. He's probably hard at work. Maybe he's in Washington, D.C. this year, or today. Maybe he's in Kuwait. You never know. You do never know. You never know.
SPEAKER 05 :
It's always a surprise to us, and we enjoy that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I told him, it's where in the world is Rick Grinnell? It's always, I can like look at the, what I'll do is I'll look at the plugs in the background. If he's like a hotel room, I'm like, huh. Europe. That looks like Indonesia. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Some of you are calling in about these judges that are running wild and whether you heard about what we're doing for the state of West Virginia. We're going to dive into that really heavily tomorrow with my brother and special guest from West Virginia. You'll have to see who it is. But also, we are talking about the judges that are not only defying court orders and these kind of things, are actively involved in the pursuit of injustice, if you will, I guess. The fact that they are either harboring or helping people escape, it's just the weirdest time to be really in politics in this country because you have judges. In general, it feels like chaos is breaking up.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and I think the important work that we're going to be doing with this brief that we'll be representing West Virginia, trying to make sure that these nationwide injunctions are kept in check, there's a lot of through lines that you can see in this story of when judges feel like they have the ultimate authority to make policy effectively or to dictate how the nation is run, It's a slippery slope to what you see in the state judges in New Mexico and Wisconsin, because they both stem from that same position of I have all the authority here. And so, one, the judges may be acting within their legal authority that they believe they have to issue nationwide injunctions on the federal level. But it's that same concept of thinking how far they can go that leads to elected judges in Wisconsin or New Mexico that think, oh, it's okay if I have Tren de Aragua living in my home. It's okay if I sneak a once deported, here illegally, allegedly violent criminal out of the back of my courtroom to make sure he's not arrested and deported. That mindset is dangerous and it does not bode well for the Constitution if that's allowed to fester because the rule of law is important. The different branches of our government and our state governments working the way that it was designed by the founders is the good here that we are trying to preserve. And the left and rogue judges, maybe in Wisconsin or any of the political actions you're seeing that are trying to tear that down are not good for the country. that's why we stand for the constitution that's why we fight for the first amendment so aggressively and we fight for the constitution every single day here because that is worth preserving that is worth fighting for and it takes Our very brilliant team of attorneys here at the ACLJ working on some of the most complex issues that we've ever discussed because it keeps getting more complex. It's not getting easier law. It's getting harder because those that want to tear down the Constitution are finding new, more clever, more insidious ways to try and tear down the very foundation that we stand for here.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's not only just harder law, it's also harder to find the people. Let's just be honest. There's a lot of new lawyers and new media people that come out of either law school or film school, and this may not be their first option because they don't want to take the heat. So we have to be able to locate and really work with a brave group of individuals. That again, maybe in the 80s and 90s, they were there. Now we got to bring up a whole new group. We have lawyers that are getting older from the original ACLJ team. We got to make sure we have new faces, new blood that can come in, knows what they're doing, can get there. And we can do that. We're already doing it. We have an incredible new group of lawyers, but we always are looking for more. Same with our media team. If you're passionate about this, you should get involved. Not only just donate, if you want to come be a part of the ACLJ team, there's ways to do that as well. Go to ACLJ.org. I think we even have a careers tab. Do that right now. Be a part of this team. We're looking for top-notch people. Of course, if you want to support the work of the ACLJ, you can do it. And Rick Grinnell is joining us in the next segment. Welcome back to Secula. We are awaiting a connection from Rick Grinnell, so we might as well take some phone calls. Can we go ahead and clear some of these just to make sure they are good to go before we go to them on air? Because we've got a lot happening. Let's go to Bill who's calling in Wyoming, watching on ACLJ.org. Thank you, Bill. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hi, thanks for taking my call. I hope I can express my question. I'm just wondering what the heck, in the last 10 years, what are all these judges and lawyers being taught in school? I mean, this doesn't sound right, the way they're doing their...
SPEAKER 05 :
court scenarios exactly that way Bill if you've seen what's going on at Harvard and Columbia I think you know the answer that maybe some of these elite law schools that land you top clerkships and land you great judicial appointments later on aren't really teaching you the things that they should be teaching you to be a good judge or a great attorney that maybe sometimes you become that in spite of your schooling not because of it so I think we know the answer there
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. Thank you, Bill, for calling. Rick Grinnell is joining us now live. And again, it's always where in the world is Rick Grinnell? That doesn't look like your Kennedy Center office today. Looks a bit more like, I don't know, Rick Grinnell in the islands, maybe. What's happening here today?
SPEAKER 05 :
More cheerful than D.C.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you look so happy, Rick. It's California. Yeah, exactly. You can tell that you are at peace maybe a little bit more. And it's crazy to think that. You have to leave Washington, D.C., escape to California to find that peace. But we wanted to talk to you about many different things. But one thing that we saw you post about is that Amazon has now decided to label everything of a tariff cost. So you're able to see what... The cost increase is now thanks to, I guess you'd say thanks in quotes, to the Trump tariffs that have gone in place. And of course, this has not come without some political scrutiny and discussion points. And you had a few options that I think need to be on the table.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, look, I saw this morning that Amazon was saying that they were going to have some information about the difference in price on products on Amazon because of the tariffs, which I'm all for having more information. But what I said to the Amazon people publicly is. That's all well and good, but what we really want to know is very clearly if a product is made in the United States or made in China. Because I'm having a rough time on Amazon trying to find stuff that is made in America and not made in China. Everything they have is made in China. And so I just wanted an option. And what I said is, how about just a button that we can press? that allows us to see everything that's made in America and be labeled this product is made in China. It seems to be a very popular suggestion because it's blown up on social media. I've been thinking about it for a while. I've been researching and you just can't find the information on Amazon.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think that's a brilliant actual move. Look, they should have that. When you suggested it, it's like that almost feels like an obvious because at least a lot of us would at least first attempt even if you're not going to only buy made in America made in America you at least will look and see is there an option that helps our own economy grow and I think that that is such a smart move and I hope that it's something they can implement and I hope it's something that they can't implement that somebody can add a way to do it because I feel like the tech the tech is clearly there they could easily do it
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, here's the other point that really the reason I wanted to know is I've purchased so many things that when I get it in the mail, it's totally cheap. And then you see it's made in China and it's going to last like about two weeks. And so the information that is being shared, the marketing material is very different than the actual product. And I can't tell you how many times I've wasted $15, $20, $25 because I think, ah, I don't have time to send this back. This is just getting wasteful. And so I'm hesitant to buy things on Amazon if I don't know where it's coming from. Because if it's made in China, then you know it's cheap. It's not going to last that long.
SPEAKER 05 :
Rick, another issue I want to talk about here is obviously President Trump signed an executive order that is looking at how we deal with sanctuary cities. There may or may not be a few sanctuary cities in the state you're in currently, but I think this all ties together. We've been talking earlier in the broadcast about this judge in Wisconsin that decided to not follow the rule of law and instead tried to help a Criminal, illegal alien who had already once been deported escape from the court and not be taken into custody by the U.S. That's one individual, but that's effectively what sanctuary cities are trying to do. What that judge did on a small level for one individual, sanctuary cities are trying to make... foreign policy and immigration policy their own as opposed to allowing the executive to carry out what the constitution allows. When you look at how California is responding and they've already gotten a judge to get some injunctions even before anything went into place here. But what are your thoughts on this entire battle that's moving forward with now cities in California and the Trump administration?
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, we've heard a lot over the years about the rule of law and how important it is to follow the rule of law and don't undermine the rule of law is what the left says. I can't think of something that undermines the rule of law more than this idea of a sanctuary city or a sanctuary state like California. The idea that you're trying to get comfortable and telling people, get comfortable with ignoring federal immigration law. Matter of fact, let's call it this nice little name of sanctuary cities. It sounds like it's a spa day. the the idea though that you you undermine federal immigration law protect people who are breaking federal immigration law and you do it in a way that you're proud i think is outrageous it is really the end of a society if we allow people state cities to pick and choose which laws they're going to follow. And that's exactly what Sanctuary Cities is. It's a concept to say, I'm just not going to follow federal immigration law, and I'm going to celebrate the fact that I'm not following immigration law, and I'm going to protect all those that break the law. And so this judge, in many ways, is just an extension of how we've watched sanctuary cities develop. And I'll finish with this, Will. I think we conservatives have some of the blame here. We've allowed sanctuary cities to become part of society. We didn't push back strong enough when it came out. And we all need to be talking about how terrible sanctuary cities are, a concept of undermining federal immigration law, picking and choosing which laws you want to follow. And so attacking this idea that everyone must follow the law. And by the way, if you don't like the law, work to change it. That's what a republic does.
SPEAKER 03 :
Rick, I always appreciate your insight. I see a lot of people who are joining us right now. We have a large audience on YouTube that we have more than double than what we've had this week. So a lot of people are interested in these kind of topics and they are now subscribing. A lot of times we know when these numbers hit about 50 percent or more have never seen us before. So welcome. Welcome to secular. Welcome to the ACLJ. But I think it's important. We also are in our last day, 24 hours. It ends tomorrow night, the end of the month, for our Life and Liberty Drive. And of course, this is an important time for us. I don't want to waste that opportunity. If you are brand new to this broadcast, I'm not going to ask you to donate. If you want to donate, great. But if you're brand new, I'm going to ask you to subscribe. Hit that thumbs up. That's what's really important because you know what? It's free and you're going to get updates from us and hopefully one day you'll be comfortable with us and we'll win you over to make that donation to know that we are not funded by some big corporate sponsors or anything like that. So I'm going to encourage you to subscribe if you're watching right now. Nearly or over 473,000 on just YouTube do that. But Rick, as we only have about two minutes left, I did want you to take time for those people who are watching right now, who have enjoyed your content, who have been following the ACLJ for years, because it's time as we wrap up this life and liberty drive.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, let's be clear. It's called the American Center for Law and Justice. And we are a group of activists, attorneys, government, former government officials, experts on the process that actually take action And we don't just sit around and talk about these issues, but we actually do something about it. And that's one of the reasons that I love being a part of ACLJ is that we're filing cases. We're trying to work in the court system. We're doing it through the political system. We're filing FOIA requests. We're outing and using the laws to be transparent. I love the action of it. And I think we could change American to action today. uh center for law and justice because we we don't just sit around and talk i know people will get addicted if you just hit the like button and try to watch us every single day you'll you'll get a lot of information you'll see us being activists and using the system to to push common sense conservative ideas
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you, Rick, for joining us again. As we have a minute left, I want to encourage two different things. One, we have some phone lines open. If you've been inspired, you've been moved today, or hey, you have some questions or comments on the issues that we brought up, it's a great time to call. You can still get in line. You can still get on the air in the next 15 minutes. You'll probably be talking to one of us at 1-800-684-3110. Do that right now. But of course, again, it's the last 24 hours, folks. You're going to hear it from me a lot. You need to scan that QR code. You need to go to ACLJ.org. You need to support the Life and Liberty Drive, whether that's a grandmother who told she can't have a Bible study or whether that is going with activist judges trying to stop them from really shutting down all the positive that can be done because we don't believe that that is something that is really constitutional. So again, some sound big, some sound small, but no, we're involved because there is no big or small case. ACLJ matters right now. I'm gonna encourage you to do it. We got one minute till we're back with your calls. Make that donation right now. All right. Welcome back to Secular. I want to hear from you. We got two lines, three lines open right now. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. As we wrap up and head to the final 24 hours of our life in Liberty Drive, we need your support. Let's go ahead and take some calls. A lot of questions are coming in about these judges. Let's go ahead and go to Ann, who's calling, watching on YouTube. Welcome, Ann. A lot of people watching on YouTube today. We appreciate all our YouTube viewers. Go ahead, Ann.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes. My question is, what is the difference between a federal judge and a district judge? Because in these last few months, the judges who've been challenging Donald Trump, sometimes they're a federal judge, sometimes they're a district judge, or even in the Same narrative, they might switch between those two names, you know, too.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, we'll give you sort of a 101 breakdown. So depending on how the media is describing them, it's really a federal judge. A district judge can be a federal judge, but not all federal judges are district judges. So effectively, when you're using the federal term, descriptor you're either talking about a federal judge or a state judge because there's two different systems your state has its own system in Nebraska set of laws most criminal trials and things are happening within the state system because it's the state bringing charges or the locality but then the federal court system which is brought forth by article three of the constitution has three different levels it has the district courts which which is the lowest level where things begin, where it initiates. And those are district judges. Those are federal district judges. Then there are federal circuit judges for the courts of appeals. And then there are justices at the Supreme court. So when you read it or you hear it, most of these that are issuing the nationwide injunctions are federal district judges at the lowest level of the court within the article three courts, the federal system.
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All right. Hopefully that answers your question. And we got a lot of calls coming in right now. Hopefully our phone screener can get those up quick because we are going to run out of time and hopefully get to as many as we can. Let's go to Tamara, who's calling, watching on ACLJ.org. Tamara, go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, Jordan, just a couple of things. I think it'd be very interesting with Wisconsin Judge Dugan to see how her record has been when people have been brought before her on obstruction charges.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I would like to see also on, you know, violent crime because she was willing to help a potential alleged violent criminal backdoor escape. That's right. I mean, I don't know what else to say.
SPEAKER 05 :
But that is what you've seen is that many of these illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities or areas that districts that may be more liberal, you have these individuals that are here illegally that have been charged with criminal offenses and are receiving light sentences. and then aren't necessarily tipped off to immigration that, hey, by the way, this person who committed a violent crime, ICE, they're over here doing violent crime, many times getting convicted, but not receiving harsh punishments. And then you see it over and over and over again. That's where even the tragedy of Lake and Riley, who was an illegal immigrant who had a criminal record in the United States, but yet was still here. still committing crime and ultimately murders an American citizen tragically. And that's the pattern that we've been seeing. And right there in Wisconsin, ICE figures it out. They get a ping on his fingerprint. from uh immigration databases that he has been arrested for uh allegedly a violent crime a domestic assault and a battery type of crime and they go to do the right thing they get the warrant they go through the entire process but yet the judge there the state court judge decides that she is above all that and tries to help him escape
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. It's insane. I can't believe we're having these discussions and like this is happening. It feels like a movie. Let's go to Deborah in DC who is watching on YouTube. Deborah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. I'd be here. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Deborah, we can hear you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. So yeah, I am an African American female and I have, I was a Democrat for all of my life until the first Trump, um, Trump one Oh one. When the Democrats left me about 15 miles back as they were headed for a cliff. And I guess, um, my question is, is there any way that we, as United States citizens can have the DOJ force these judges to recuse themselves from cases where there's a clear and obvious bias? You know, none of them have done that and they should be held accountable for that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, Debra, we are looking at ways and I'll only cut you off because we're running out of a little bit of time here. But look, your story is not unlike a lot of people who call in and now listen to the show and watch this show and understand what we do here at the ACLJ as well in the legal work. Because a lot of you were moderate Democrats or common sense Democrats, if you will, and felt like your party abandoned you. Of course, we're even talking about people who are part of our team like Tulsi Gabbard. who now is director of national intelligence. And of course, you've seen that with many of the different cabinet members this administration has brought in. They were not afraid to talk to former Democrats because it became a very common story. But Will, we are fighting back at the ACLJ. There may not be ways specifically like Debra said, but there are ways that we can interact. And we're doing that right now and we're doing it in West Virginia. We're going to really get into that tomorrow.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, the Department of Justice can't force a judge to recuse himself. Now, a party in a lawsuit or the DOJ, if they're a part of it, could ask the judge to recuse themselves. That doesn't mean that they have to or are going to. But really, the important thing here is like what you brought up, the fact that we are filing in this case representing a state at the U.S. Supreme Court to say, listen, Supreme Court, manage the judiciary. Get rid of these nationwide injunctions. Take this away from the district court judges that are using their bench to issue nationwide injunctions on everything the president is doing. Allow the courts to work. and allow the policymakers to make policy and if there are issues that are judiciable and they go through the court system and they are decided on but just saying that a district court can issue a blanket nationwide injunction before any briefing is even done before they've heard any facts of the case has to stop and that's the best way to put it into that is by what we are doing going to the supreme court representing a state and laying out the constitutionality of what we believe should happen that's right and tomorrow we're going to have on my brother as well as someone from the state of west virginia are we allowed to say who or do we want to tease it out let's just wait you'll see tomorrow we're going to have one of our friends from west virginia who's involved and again
SPEAKER 03 :
The ACLJ is involved in all of these battles. We are trying to figure out creative ways. And that's the great thing about our team is that there's no box. There's no red tape. We are able to get creative and figure out where we can go after these kinds of situations, whether that's in the media or that's in the law, both of them hand in hand, understand they have to both live because there are some times where, you know, if you're going up against in a certain state, that you have to have the media on your side. You have to at least be talking about it publicly, making a good case to the public to win. And that's why we have an incredible media team here. That's why we have a media center here. But we also have our legal center as well because we make sure we have great legal minds who also can do both and are ready to act. So right now, with 35 seconds left and only a day left in our life in Liberty Drive, this is it. One day remains. And I urge you, the window is closing on your chance to have your gifts doubled. And I'm not just telling you that. It's just the truth. Tomorrow is it. But don't wait until tomorrow. Do it today. Go to ACLJ.org. Have your gifts doubled. Thank you so much for listening today. We're going to have a packed show again tomorrow. Get my brothers joining us at ACLJ.org. Make sure you're subscribing. Until next time, we'll see you tomorrow.
In this episode of The Kim Munson Show, we delve deep into the heart of contemporary political discourse, exploring the delicate balance between freedom and force. Kim and her guests discuss the importance of preserving individual liberties against the imposing presence of government mandates, the nuances of current policies, and their potential impact on personal freedoms. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation that questions whether good ideas truly require enforcement and examines the implications for our everyday lives.
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It's the Kim Munson Show, analyzing the most important stories.
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That seems to me like government is establishing a religion.
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The latest in politics and world affairs.
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If you give people rights, women's rights, gay rights, whatever, there can't be equal rights if there are special rights.
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Today's current opinions and ideas.
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Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let's have a conversation.
SPEAKER 21 :
Indeed, let's have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You're each treasured. You're valued. You have purpose today. Strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And we've got something very special. Our new sponsor of ours, Ben Williams with Ben's, let's see, heating, plumbing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Plumbing, heating, and cooling.
SPEAKER 21 :
Plumbing, heating, and cooling. You came bearing gifts. I can't wait to get into the break room and see everything that's in there. So thank you.
SPEAKER 11 :
You're welcome.
SPEAKER 21 :
It's great to have you here.
SPEAKER 11 :
Great to be here.
SPEAKER 21 :
And also in studio is Teresa Irby, and Teresa is a relatively new member of the team, handling all of our sponsorship, partnership, liaison, and it's great to have you here as well.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'm really excited to be here.
SPEAKER 21 :
And so we've got a big show planned today. So let's get into it. Check out the website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And while you're there, make sure that you sign up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays. That way you'll get first look at all of our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com. Text line, and I do want to hear from you, is 720-605-0647. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity. by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it. And it's not compassionate, it's not altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods. Oh my gosh, they're after our children here in Colorado. or our lives. And force can be obviously a weapon, but a policy, unpredictable in excess of taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, a silent thief. The World Economic Forum's agenda, the globalist elite's agenda, United Nations, this legislature, this governor here in Colorado, land use codes, Zoning regulations, forest fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, transmission lines, easements, CO2 pipelines, this is all an assault upon property rights. And property rights are inherent in the American idea. Remember, if something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it. Our word of the day is... I forgot to write the word down. It's congruent. And it's C-O-N-G-R-U-E-N-T. It could be similar to or in agreement with something so that the two things can both exist or can be combined without problems. An example they had is our goals are congruent. There is no conflict. And so your challenge is to use the word congruent in a word today. C-O-N-G-R-U-E-N-T. And our quote of the day is from G.K. Chesterton. He was born in 1874. He died in 1936. He was an English author, philosopher, Christian apologist, journalist and magazine editor, and literary and art critic. And that was before people just looked at their iPhones all the time. They got a lot of stuff done, Teresa. Chesterton created the fictional priest detective Father Brown and wrote on apologetics, which is a defense of the Christian faith, such as his works Orthodoxy and The Everlasting Man. And he said this, and my dad actually said something like this to me as well. He said, the problem of disbelieving in God is not that a man ends up believing in nothing. Alas, it is much worse. He ends up believing anything. And, boy, I think that we see that occurring right now here in Colorado. Ben Williams, I know that you are as concerned about our state as I am. And I thank you for your support of the show and just the support of everything, prayers for the show. But you and I are both really, really concerned about this state.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 21 :
And you'd organized a great meeting last week, a Zoom meeting with, I talked about Colorado Union of Taxpayers, and we had Linda White and Steve McKenna with Grandparents for Kids.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 21 :
And then Amy Everett with Colorado Praise. That was really a great meeting.
SPEAKER 11 :
It was. It was amazing.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah. And so can people access that or not?
SPEAKER 11 :
I did record it. Okay. If they wanted to send me an email, I could send it to them. Okay. My email is benzplumb, B-E-N-Z-P-L-U-M-B at gmail.com.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. Very good. So if you'd like to see that, that's benzplumb at gmail.com. And I think a couple of the headlines that I just wanted to mention was, first of all, there was this big power outage in Europe yesterday. And so I'm sure that things were pretty inconvenient because I remember one day that my electricity had gone out at my house and I was headed to a meeting. Actually, this was, well, gosh, it was a long time ago because Eric Trump was in town. And I'd been invited to go to meet with him, the meeting. And my garage door wouldn't open. And so I had to go to Plan B because I definitely wanted to make it to that meeting. But regarding Europe, it says Spain rules out cyber attack as cause of major power cuts as travel chaos continues. I actually, and this is from BBC. I'm not sure that I, man, I'm getting so cynical in my old age. How could they already know that it wasn't a cyber attack? You know what? I think that's a little too quick on the.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, you had someone on your show a while back who was talking about how China has all these things implanted in our power grid. Right. Yep. Yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
So I think that they need to do a little more research. But, of course, that's what the headline is on that, Teresa. Next headline that I wanted to mention is that, let's see, Trump hails the arrest of 100 suspected undocumented immigrants at the Underground Colorado Club. I guess that's one way to get everybody is just go to the nightclub where they're at, Teresa, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. Why not?
SPEAKER 21 :
That'll do it. And then... Last thing is these crazy injunctions that we're getting regarding from these activist judges. And this is from KNEWZ. It says the Supreme Court is taking up the issue of nationwide injunctions which have blocked Trump's administration policies across the country. And so that's going to be, I think, really important as well. And I had mentioned, and Holly Kaysen is going to be on the show on Friday. that we were raising money to help them with their appeal regarding stopping NGO lawfare. And thank you to all of you. We raised the money. So that's super awesome. So they are working on that appeal. But also so interesting is the judge for their case is one of those judges that has signed on to being an activist judge. And so you won't want to miss Holly's explanation on everything that's going on, and that'll be on Friday.
SPEAKER 14 :
I can't wait to hear that.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, it's going to be super interesting. Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. We're getting into soon. It's going to be warmer. I think it's a little cool out there today. But what should people be thinking about as we're looking at warmer weather?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, there's a few things that you want to keep in mind. First of all, you start out with the word of the day. I want to start out with a safety tip.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
So it's really important to remember that squirrels and cigarettes are completely harmless until you put them in your mouth and light them on fire. Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right.
SPEAKER 11 :
But, you know, one of the most common things that people run into this time of year, you're starting to get out and working in the yard. And if maybe you moved here from a warmer state and you left your hose hooked up over the wintertime, chances are you're going to have some water in the basement or the crawl space, whatever you've got. The hose bib where you hook up your hose is actually about 12 inches long. And there's a rod that goes through there. So when you're turning the handle, that rod is shutting water back off inside of your house where it's warm. But if you leave a hose hooked up, it keeps water inside of that pipe. And so then when it freezes, you know, it'll get a freeze break. Now, you don't know that that's happened until you turn the water on because now water is coming through that pipe that has a split in it. And a lot of times, you know, people might be out working in the yard all day Saturday. They come inside, maybe go downstairs and do a load of laundry and like, oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER 05 :
Surprise.
SPEAKER 11 :
The basement's flooded. I must have a backed up sewer. So they call the Roto-Rooter guy. He comes out. Nope. Your sewer line's clean. And then they call the plumber and... We find out that they have a split. So an easy way that you can determine if that has happened, just so you don't have a lot of flooding damage, hook up a hose right now with a spray and attachment on it. Have the sprayer turned off so that it's not letting water run out. Turn on your spigot. go inside and check, do you have water running down the wall? Or is there water coming out of the siding? And if not, you're good to go. But that's just something to be aware of. Also, you know, a lot of times the sprinkler systems will develop a split, maybe in the ball valve or in the pipe, right where it comes out of the house. And it's not necessarily going to flood your house, but you have water all over in the front yard or the backyard, wherever your sprinkler system is located. So those are just things to be aware of. Also, with your air conditioner, this is a sweet time when you don't really have to run the furnace so much or the air conditioner too much, which means it's also a good time to have it checked, especially if you have cottonwood trees in the area. You know how that cottony stuff likes to float around and get in everything? If the coils are clogged up or coated, it's not going to cool very well. And also, if you're having somebody come out to check it, you want to have them check the start capacitor and the run capacitor. You measure that in microfarads, and it should be within a specific range. So the deal is, you might turn it on during pleasant weather. It'll run okay, but then when the weather starts to heat up, the capacitor... it gets out of its range and then it's like man this thing isn't running that's hot today what's the deal okay so that's something to check also if you have an air conditioner keep changing your filters throughout the summer the furnace filter oh really yeah a lot of times we think oh i i just need to change the filter for the furnace but the air runs through that same duct work through the same plenum when you're running your air conditioner okay okay and so you want to make sure you change your filters how often should people do that A lot of it depends on the air quality of your home. If you have a lot of pets, there's probably more dander floating through the air. If you have a lot of kids.
SPEAKER 14 :
So is that like every couple months? How often should they be changing those filters?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, you probably remember during COVID how we were wearing our wonderful masks that protected us from all the evils of the world, right? Yeah. Yeah. And if you ever went into a dusty environment, you know, it might be like, man, I've only been here for an hour, but I need to change this out. Or maybe you could wear the same one for a few days. So, yeah, just check your filter. If it's showing, you know, dust buildup on it, change that baby out.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. So, Ben, do you – I know you guys are pretty busy. So do you help people all over the metro area? Do you have a specific area that you like to work in?
SPEAKER 11 :
We work the general Denver metro area. We live out near Bennett, which is east of Aurora, about 20 miles. So, you know, it's always sweet if somebody from Aurora calls, but we'll work the general area.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. And again, that email is benzplumb, B-E-N-Z-P-L-U-M-B at gmail.com. It's great to have you in studio. You're going to stay in studio, and we're going to have Kevin Lundberg here on in just a little bit, so we'll all have questions for him, I'm sure. Teresa Irby's in studio as well, who is our partnership liaison here with the Kim Munson Show. And did want to say thank you to a couple of sponsors. First of all, Hooters Restaurants. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. I hope the Avs get it together. so that they will be moving on in the playoffs. But great place to get together and watch the games. And then also thank you to Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of the show because it's reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy. It powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And regarding anything on insurance, you want to reach out to the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team and sit down and go over your insurance coverage, make sure that you have what you need.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. In studio with me is Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing Company. heating and air conditioning and cooling. It's great to have you here and great new sponsor of the show.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you, Kim. Great to be here. And by the way, you mind if I give my phone number real quick? Sure. They can call or text 303-995-1636.
SPEAKER 21 :
Actually, I give in your email. As you know, I'm really behind on emails. Text is much better for me. So that number is 303-995-1636. Correct.
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Call in for those furnace checks.
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And air conditioning. Get that done.
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That's right. Furnace and air conditioning.
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And also in studio, that great voice is Teresa Irby, who is our partnership liaison. It's a great day to have you here.
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Good morning. And with that in mind, using my word of the day, if your values are congruent with The Kim Munson Show and you would like to be a partner or a sponsor, please give me a call at 520-631-9243. One more time, 520-631-9243.
SPEAKER 21 :
Good job on the word of the day. Nicely done.
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Did you like that? Nicely done.
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And I think someone who, I'm trying to think how to get that. It's incongruent what's happening down at the statehouse. We've got former state senator Kevin Lundberg on the line. He is also the author of the Lundberg Report. Kevin, welcome.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, thank you. It's good being with all of you.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good morning.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, good to have you. And we're coming in on the last week or so on this legislative session. And tomorrow, it's a little ugly down there with that 1312, yeah?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Yeah, it's quite a bit ugly with a whole lot of bills. But the one that has really risen to the top of people's attention is 1312. And Deservedly so, because it's such a bad bill requiring, first off, jeopardizing the custody of your own children if you don't agree with their gender incongruence. That is just such a scary notion that actually... If you look at the practice here in Colorado, there are a lot of examples where families have, you know, parents have lost control of their kids because they refuse to go along with any transgender confusion that the child would have. Anyway, that's the first thing, and then it digs into how schools handle things when it comes to transgender issues. And then it tops everything off with a blanket change in the anti-discrimination laws by saying if you deadname somebody, that means you call them by their actual legal name, but they wanted to take on a different persona with a different name, then that's an automatic violation of the anti-discrimination laws in Colorado and California. It's really a violation of the First Amendment. It's forced speech issues. And you bundle that all together in 1312, and you see a very, very heavy-handed policy that's designed to force-feed the whole transgender ideology onto all people in Colorado, particularly parents.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, and Kevin, you've been watching this. So let's set this up. So kids go to school. And we have a curriculum now that is really forced that little kids, first graders. Linda White said this on the call that Ben had organized. That there is curriculum that has to talk about contributions, I guess, of LGBTQ. And so one of the things is to highlight the fact that Jared Polis is gay and kids would learn that in first grade. And so then what's the next question? What's gay? So here you've got a teacher talking with children about instead of the ABCs talking about sex. And so this starts to get things going here. And then as as as you highlighted in the movie that you did regarding the Aaron Lee story, Aaron and John Lee and their family, which is artclubmovie.com. Everyone should watch that. They can watch it for free at artclubmovie.com. Unbeknownst to them, they think that their daughter, we're coming out of COVID, she's 12 years old. I remember being 12 years old. It was one of the most difficult times of my life. And 12 years old, shy, new school, says, hey, mom, can I go to art club after school? Of course, as a mom, you want your kids to get in there and get to know people. And it was a transgender indoctrination session. So, and then we've got the pronoun game that's going on at school. And then we've got Planned Parenthood doing sex ed classes and schools. So these kids are bombarded with all of this. Parents don't really know it. And then they come home and the daughter says, I think I'm a boy. And now the 1312 sets this all up. They've been indoctrinated all this time. And then the parents don't know what to do. And we had Greg Veeder on yesterday. I don't know if you heard the show, but he is a social worker, a psychotherapist. And in 2019, now I can't remember the bill number, there was a bill that basically silenced therapists. that said that therapists had to affirm the gender delusion or confusion, and you had to do that. Otherwise, you can't practice being a therapist. Now you fast forward to 1312 now. This agenda's been playing long ball, Kevin.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you mentioned 2019. That was the year that several bills were put into place The one requiring all licensed counselors in Colorado to, for children, and this is the irony of the whole thing, it's aimed at kids. But for children, they could not do anything of what they called conversion therapy. And there are a couple of really, really bad examples of somebody trying to deprogram somebody with real coercive action. But really what it means is exactly what you said. A counselor can't work with a child to explore alternatives to this gender confusion that they can so easily be thrown into. Now, the other one, or one of the other bills that you alluded to, was a bill requiring what they called intersectionality in history. And that's where they want to go back and dig deep and find out, well, let's not talk about the major issues of the you know, the wars and the presidents and the establishment of states and the great migration towards the West that our country did in the 19th century and, you know, all of those elements of history. But let's dig down and see if we can find somebody who maybe was a, exhibited some evidence of being transgender, which is really hard to find, frankly. But nonetheless, they forced this historical revisionism through this bill, and it required the Colorado Department of Education to completely renovate their standards for history teaching in this state. Now, here's another one you didn't mention, and I don't remember the numbers. I'd have to look it up myself. But another bill allows child as young as 12 to make medical and psychological treatment decisions on their own without their parents' permission or even without their parents knowing. You know, this is one thing the Lee's encountered is they were they tried to get counseling for their daughter and discovered that counselors had their hands tied by all of this and it attracted a whole lot of counselors who really wanted to push the whole trans agenda. And then they turned to their medical doctor who okay, I'm going to talk to your daughter without your presence because she's the one I cannot imagine this. I mean, I have three kids and they're now grown adults but I remember the the the the struggles my wife and I had in finding a doctor that would include the parents in the whole process rather than you know close the door and say well this is just doctor-patient stuff no no it's not not if you're the legal custodian of that child you have an obligation and a requirement the state of Colorado laws just were completely opposite. Anyway, all of those things, and the sex ed, you're quite right there, too, that that's been a big push. I saw this in bills that were run 15, 20 years ago down in the legislature, where they're always pushing the envelope. And at the bottom line of this, it seemed like every committee hearing we had on a sex ed bill, here's Planned Parenthood just cheering it on, come to find out that they are the largest... provider of sex ed materials in this country. So this is a dollars and cents issue for them, not to mention their priority is to push these radical principles. Anyway, you put it all together, and 1312 is in a long chain of events that we've seen. And I should also mention that there's another companion bill, 1309, that forces insurance companies to provide complete coverage for all gender transition issues in Colorado. Talk about forcing you to pay for this because
SPEAKER 21 :
If we could stop the money, if we could stop the money, Kevin, that would be a big, big thing on this. So we're going to continue the discussion. I'm talking with former State Senator Kevin Lundberg, author of the Lundberg Report, which you can find at KevinLundberg.com. In studio with me is Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, a new sponsor of the show, and Teresa Irby, who is our partnership liaison. So we're going to go to break and we'll come back here in just a moment. All this happens because of our great sponsors. For everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for a weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom something's a good idea you should not have to force people to to do it And Kevin Lundberg is on the line in studio with me. It's Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. Great to have you here. And Teresa Irby, if people are interested in becoming a sponsor, what's the best way to reach them?
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Reach me at 520-631-9243.
SPEAKER 21 :
And Ben, what's that phone number for Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling? 303-995-1636. Okay, it's great to have you both in studio, and Gammy is on it. That bill number that we were trying to figure out, Kevin Lundberg from 2019, is 1129. Okay, yeah, that sounds familiar.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Now, a couple of weeks ago, you mentioned a bill that was going to be coming down and presented here at the State House, and then I saw it when I was going through the work process. on reviewing bills for cut and this was a bill i think you said it 284 where it could be outside groups coming in and presenting at schools now first of all they might be paid second of all i could see danger danger on this and it was kind of an innocuous bill but you were on it
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I try to go through every bill and snag what I think is a problem, and this one certainly stood out because it requires all outside organizations to abide by the Colorado anti-discrimination laws. Now, we just covered this, and what that means, especially if they pass 1312, is that any outside organization, what does that mean? That means a wide variety. I mean, they promoted this as the Boy Scout Bill because the Boy Scouts could then, they claim, come in and, you know... But they don't believe in the boys and girls.
SPEAKER 21 :
How could they call it Boy Scouts, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I understand that, too. But... I asked the question of one of the co-sponsors. I said, so can't they do that today? And what's preventing them? You know, if a school thinks that it's appropriate to bring in an outside... Because they're doing this all the time. We just talked about this with the, you know, in the film Art Club. That was an outside organization coming into an after-school event and conducting these gender-grooming sessions. The school district and the school... approved of this practice happening. It doesn't require a bill that says you can do it because they can do it anyway. But what this bill says is it specifically says that you have to, all outside organizations have to abide by this new moral standard that they're setting up where deadnaming is suddenly illegal. And that's such a pejorative term. Calling a child by their given name, if they decided to change their name or somebody convinced them to change their name now becomes a crime well let me tell you some organizations that probably won't go along with that um uh uh in any christian organization you know athletes and what is it christian fellowship fellowship of christian athletes oh thank you thank you yeah i imagine that's a group that would look at it and say uh this this is a violation of our principles and now Charter schools are specifically required to abide by all this in that they are required to make a policy that conforms with all of this. So I know that there's a school up in Fort Collins that has very strict academic and and moral standards that they abide by. And they said, look, this bill would require us to make a policy to allow in all of these gender-fluid organizations. And they couldn't stop it. So that's the real, it's kind of the underbelly. It's another one of those bills that we've been talking about. And it's ridiculous that it keeps coming back to this. But But there is an agenda that's being pushed very hard by radical elements within our schools and trying to influence our schools. And these bills, you know, they're what's happening now. So, yeah, this is on the long line. Now, the bill passed a committee, and I think it passed second reading, too, in the Senate. It did.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. So, and meanwhile, back at the ranch, Ben Williams, on the call that you had organized, Linda White had mentioned about, she looked specifically at Bennett School District.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 21 :
And not even 20% of the kids could do, was it math or reading?
SPEAKER 11 :
Math, 18%.
SPEAKER 21 :
Only 18% of the kids in the Bennett School District are proficient at math. And so we can see they're dumbing our children down, and then they're grooming them just to – instead of thinking about the high ideals, as you mentioned, our history, they're really grooming them to be – Sex objects, I think. And, hey, Kevin, did you – I'm sure you got that Boulder sex cap. We talked a little bit about it yesterday. Did you get the flyer on that? And apparently they decided not to have it. But I think that it sheds light on things that are happening that we're not aware of. They were going to target 10-year-olds to 14-year-olds. Our tax dollars, we're going to pay for it up at the University of Colorado through the Boulder Health Department or whatever. So I'm sure you saw that. Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yes. As a matter of fact, you know, we must be on the same mental track because I host a Zoom call every Monday morning. And I actually threw that poster up on the screen for everybody to look at. Yeah, it's the Boulder Mental Health Clinic or whatever it is. and some organization that's associated with the University of Colorado. So it had a lot of official stamps on it. And it was a summer camp program exploring alternatives in sexual activity for 5th through 8th grade children.
SPEAKER 21 :
Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 15 :
Try to absorb that a little bit. And yeah, they pulled back because, frankly, it became public what they were drawing. And I'm told that that that actual poster that I did show was a. a softened version of the original poster that was much more explicit on what they were going to talk about.
SPEAKER 21 :
So here are these kids, again, they would be groomed. Who knows what they would learn there. They come home and they say, oh, I think I'm the other sex. And what are parents to do? And yesterday when we had Greg Videron, who was talking about this House bill in 2019-11-29 that silenced the voices really of therapists, And Dr. Travis Morrell, I said, what is a parent to do? And Dr. Travis Morrell said, move. And I thought, oh, my, we are in, we've got to, he's right in one way, too. We've got to protect our children. But I have decided to stay and fight Kevin Lumberg because we have to fight for our children.
SPEAKER 15 :
Me too. I'm in there swinging as well, and a lot of people are. That's why I joined with Aaron Lee and others, and we formed what's called Protect Kids Colorado, where we are taking the initiative, literally taking the initiative to propose initiatives to put on the ballot to to change all of this. I mean, we've got a legislature. Look, the legislature has nine more days in the session. They have, by the last count I saw, over 250 bills yet to deal with. So it's just chaos down there trying to push through all of this. But if you look at the bills, you mentioned my website. On my website, I try to track the bills that I think are good, bad, and a few weird ones. Really weird. But I've got, I don't know, I haven't counted it recently, probably 70 or 80 really bad bills. And some of them have become law. A few, gratefully, have been killed, but not too many. And there are dozens and dozens of these terrible ideas just covering the entire spectrum of what the state of Colorado can be doing to our lives. And they're still out there, and they're going to be rushed through in the last few days of the session, and probably most of them passed. Actually, this coming week, I'm thinking of doing kind of a percentage comparison of here are the good bills, and here are how many actually survived. Here are the bad bills, and here are how many survived. It'll be stark. It'll be like 10% of the good bills lived, and about 10% of the bad bills died, and the rest became law.
SPEAKER 21 :
So I'm looking at what we use, Bill Track 50, for the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And I quickly want to say thank you to this group. We have taken positions on 254 bills. That means that this team has read those bills and taken positions. It's amazing work that they've done. And when you see these folks out there, say thank you. They're all volunteers. Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson. Mary Jansen, David Evans, Corey Onazorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And over at Colorado Union of Taxpayers, regarding this 1312, people need to do two things. Well, three things. 1312 is going to be heard tomorrow, and this is this bill that your kids could be taken away from you. So testify. I'm going to submit written testimony because I don't think that I can do the whole thing tomorrow. And so I'm going to submit written testimony. But you can go to Colorado Parents Advocacy Network. I think that's Colorado Parents. Just put it in and it'll come up. And you can sign their petition, which I did that yesterday. And then we have this great new service, and we've invested in it, at Colorado Union of Taxpayers. We'd love to have you all join us, be members. And that is, we call it cut engaged, and you can go in, and we've selected certain bills that you can very quickly just, you can say, just send what cut has said regarding a bill, or you can add something in, and it'll go to the bill sponsors, and you can also put in your own legislator, your senator, and your House of Representatives representative. And it's really easy to do. And Ben Williams, you did it right. And I put out a challenge. And I think you won. You were able to do the four bills last week. And how long? One minute and 51 seconds, I know.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good job. And you know what, Kim, yesterday I went through and did the one this week that you sent out, and I averaged 21 and a half seconds per bill.
SPEAKER 21 :
So think about that.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's not much time at all. We can all do that.
SPEAKER 21 :
In less than two minutes, you can make your voices heard. And, Kevin, we have 1312 on there if you only want to do one bill. You can go on and find 1312. And I would recommend people sign the petition over at the Colorado Parents Advocacy Network and then make your voices heard at Colorado Union of Taxpayers. It's pretty cool.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. And actually, let me add, do it today because tomorrow they are going to present that publicly. I understand they have about 30,000 signatures so far, and they're going to give that to the legislature and say, here are a lot of people who think this is a really bad idea. Now, do I think the legislators are going to say, oh, I guess we'll change our mind? Probably not. But, you know, this is a long game. We need to identify who is actually for parents and for the people of Colorado and who's just trying to promote their own agenda. um and so then this is a good step forward um it'll be on the west steps of the capitol by the way uh the the actual public presentation of all these signatures uh 10 30 tomorrow morning and then you mentioned it the bill will be heard in the final public hearing that's scheduled for this bill this is your ONLY, YOU KNOW, YOUR FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN A PUBLIC HEARING. NOW, YOU CAN STILL CALL YOUR SENATORS AND YOUR REPRESENTATIVES. IT'S IN THE SENATE NOW. SO, YOU KNOW, FOCUS IN ON THE SENATE AND LET THEM KNOW AS YOU, YOU KNOW, GAVE A LOT OF MECHANISMS TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT WILL BE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY'VE AMENDED IT SO IT WILL GO BACK TO THE HOUSE. to, not substantially, they've just tweaked a little. And I hope, you know, this is a bad bill. You can't amend this one to make it better. You can maybe cut it into little pieces and then try to force feed each little bite to us. But any version of this bill is a bad bill, except one. I've got one amendment I want them to adopt.
SPEAKER 21 :
And what's that?
SPEAKER 15 :
That is repeal the enacting clause. That's the first sentence in every bill that says, be it enacted by the legislature of the state of Colorado, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If you amend that sentence out, you kill the bill.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, I like that. I like that. So we're going to continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg. I did want to make sure that I mentioned the Center for American Values located in Pueblo, Colorado, and their next On Values presentation will be at the end of May. But Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient, co-founder, has started... a great podcast series. And so be sure and check that out at AmericanValueCenter.org. And then also right around the corner is the USMC Memorial Foundation Golf Tournament on May 15th. And so if you're a golfer, sign up. That way you'll get a great round of golf, meet some great people, and support the memorial. And that website is USMCMemorialFoundation.org. And we're going to talk with him in the next hour. And that's another great sponsor of the show. That's John Bozen with Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That's kimmunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity. By looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, something's a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And we'll get back to Kevin Lumberg here in just a moment. Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling is in studio. And new sponsor of the show, it's great to have you. And this came in from one of our listeners. A quick question. It says, often when I call to get my furnace worked on, the technician says I need to replace my entire electrical panel due to code. That really drives up the price. How do I know if they are being honest or trying to use government as an excuse?
SPEAKER 11 :
Kim, I'm sure you're not old enough to remember this, but cars used to run on regular gas and then they introduced unleaded. Yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
I've heard about that.
SPEAKER 11 :
You've heard about that, yeah. That didn't mean that you had to get rid of your car. And a lot of these things, just follow your gut, follow the money. You can work on a furnace without having to replace the electrical panel. And if your gut is telling you something just seems crazy here, call somebody for a second opinion. You're welcome to call me. Okay, what's that number? 303-995-1636. Or check with a trusted neighbor or a trusted company. But people can come out and work on things without having to replace the whole thing.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. Again, that number for bins, plumbing, heating, and cooling is 303-995-1636. And then Teresa Irby, our partnership liaison, again, your phone number.
SPEAKER 14 :
520-631-9243.
SPEAKER 21 :
And you did a little bit of research on what people can do on what we're talking with Kevin about.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, so they are having the hearing tomorrow down at the Capitol. It's committee named Senate Judiciary at 1.30 p.m. tomorrow, and that is item H. as in hotel, B as in boy, 25-1312. You can go on to Colorado Parents Advocacy Network website. My great friend Lori Gimmelstein has been fighting for our children, and you can go on there, and you can still get signed up if you want to testify, whether it's in person or if you want to do it online. But it's going to be a big deal tomorrow, and we really need to stand up for our children.
SPEAKER 21 :
And that website is coloradoparents.org. You can sign the petition online. and you can click there to register. Everything's right there. And then also go to coloradotaxpayer.org, which is our CUT website, and go down to, it's in the second line now. We have 1312 there as well, and you can make your voices heard there. Simple, takes 20 seconds. Okay, Kevin Lundberg, this is the last week, and of course we'll need to talk again next week. What do you want people to know?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, an awful lot is happening and it's happening very quickly, but you've been really talking on the biggest issue because 1312, as I said before, has not just gotten the attention of a lot of people here in Colorado, but nationally this is being seen as a bit of a watershed moment. And I honestly, our legislature is populated by such hard left people on the Democrat side. And they have all the numbers. So I don't know that we're going to. Well, actually, they may blink on this one. They may blink because it is such a bad one and people need to know. But win or lose, this is the place to take the stand. And, you know, I've seen this happen so many times down in the legislature where They think they've got a great idea, and they're just running with it. But when the people rise up and say no, and we may have to say no more than once on this one. In other words, we may have to tell them no at the ballot box next election cycle, or we may have to hit it doubly hard next year. and start rolling this stuff back. Or you may want to get involved with Protect Kids Colorado, too, because we've got three initiatives that are in the queue right now with the title board. One to prohibit men in women's sports. One to prohibit the gender mutilation surgeries that are happening to kids today. And one to address a very similar crying problem we have, and that is children being sold for sex sex trafficking you think this this is an initiative just to say if you do that if you do any buying or selling in that arena you're going to jail and you're not getting out period as it should be yeah and and so we'll have some petitions ready sometime in the We need to rise up as the people of Colorado and establish laws that work and work well. So, yeah, go down there, make your name known.
SPEAKER 21 :
You mentioned elections, and as you know, I'm doing work over here on the election side because we need to have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections. I think it's important that people understand they've tried to put people into Democrat versus Republican groups. We need to realize there's this big, broad middle of America that cares about these values that our country was founded on. And the Democrat Party now, particularly in Colorado, is not the Democrat Party of JFK or Tip O'Neill or your grandpa and your grandma. This is a radical activist extremist group that controls this Democrat Party. So we need people to understand that because we can't put it into this Democrat-Republican context.
SPEAKER 15 :
fight if you will it's it's much it's it's much different now and i know i set that out there you've got two minutes well um you know hang on for the ride for the next seven uh eight nine days here for the colorado legislature and we'll have plenty of things to talk about next week when it's down to the last couple of days but um you're quite right the i like the term common sense I've heard that used quite a bit, that we're trying to get back to common sense in our legislation and our laws, and it really can. You can do it. Real quick, real quick story back when I was a freshman legislator, and I saw a bill that just wasn't quite right, and I battled with that one and struggled and finally got it amended so that it worked right, and Ben, you'll be interested to know that what it said was that if if what you did to your house conformed to code when it was put in place, it still conforms today.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because this bill would have made it illegal to live in anything that didn't conform with current code.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow. And I learned the way you do that is you just persistently push and push until you figure it out and make it right, and that's what we've got to do here. As the people of Colorado, as individuals, as legislators, we need to apply some common sense... And I'm confident that we'll get there. I'm actually seeing some good, you know, rumblings even within the state of Colorado that people are finally coming around to them. some good attitudes on this stuff.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, Kevin Lumberg, people are going to think that you and I coordinated for this end of the show quote. So, but Ben Williams, you're going to stay for the next hour, yes?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, ma'am.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, Teresa Irby? I'm here. Okay, and Kevin Lumberg, you're going to love this. This is from G.K. Chesterton. And again, people are going to think you and I communicated and we didn't. And this is getting a little scary, I would say, so... says this a society is in decay final or transitional when common sense really becomes uncommon oh my gosh what's the chances of us coordinating on that but kevin lumberg again thank you so much and then we'll uh talk to you again next week so thank you well thank you i appreciate it kim and you know i don't believe in chance i believe in guidance and direction so thank you and
SPEAKER 15 :
Let's do it next week.
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Yes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah. And thank you because we are an independent voice on an independent station. And that's really important these days as we kick the tires on these Battle of Ideas.
SPEAKER 11 :
It is. And you know, Kim, you don't hear this stuff.
SPEAKER 21 :
on a lot of other shows yeah yeah i know and uh and so it's it's great to to be doing this we're independent because of our great sponsors and i am so excited i either needed to have another 24 hours in a day or i needed theresa irby and so i'm so glad i have theresa irby because Teresa, you are our partnership liaison and really excited to have you as part of the team.
SPEAKER 14 :
I could not be more excited. I just believe in everything you've been doing and are doing. And if you are interested in becoming a partner or a sponsor of this amazing show, please reach out to me at 520-631-9243. And Ben Williams, what's the best way for people to reach you?
SPEAKER 11 :
Honestly, a text would be great. Okay. 303-995-1636. You can call, leave a message, but... You know, text is easy to respond to in time.
SPEAKER 21 :
Text is my preferred method of communication.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes. And in studio with me is producer Luke. It's great to have you here. Oh, it's great to be here again. And it's always a great discussion with you and producer Joe. And so we went through, you guys were real sports. I had chosen the book Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. And we went through that. So you get to choose the next one. So we're going through The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. And I've never read the book. And so we'll focus on that in segments two and three. And so let's get over here to our word of the day, which is congruent. And it is spelled C-O-N-G-R-U-E-N-T. It could be similar to or in agreement with something so that the two things can both exist. or can be combined without problems. And Teresa Irby, you had used congruent very well in a sentence in the hour number one.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, if your values are congruent with the Kim Munson Radio Show, again, please give me a call. We would love to share this journey with you. 520-631-9243. Okay. Good segue.
SPEAKER 21 :
And our quote of the day is from G.K. Chesterton. He was born in 1874, died in 1936. He was an English author, philosopher, Christian apologist. It took me a while, Ben Williams, to get my brain around what apologist meant. I thought, was it apologizing for a Christian apologist? But it's a defense, making a defense of the Christian faith. And so he was very well known for that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, apologist or apology is one of those words that doesn't quite fit with... They're not congruent, are they? They're not congruent.
SPEAKER 21 :
Good one. But he was also a magazine editor, literary and art critic, and he created a fictional priest detective, Father Brown. And he said this, though. He said, the problem of disbelieving in God is not that a man ends up believing nothing. Alas, it's much worse. He ends up believing anything. And my gosh, I think that we are seeing that in Colorado right now where, well, in our country as well, where they're trying to really go against nature's law of male and female, man, woman, boy, girl.
SPEAKER 14 :
Common sense.
SPEAKER 21 :
Common sense. Well done. So someone, though, that is very good at common sense is John Bozen with Bozen Law, and he is on the line. John Bozen, welcome.
SPEAKER 10 :
Good morning. Good morning, Kim. Good to hear you on the radio, speaking the truth. Colorado has become the point of crazy lately, and it's... disturbing to have conversations with friends of mine around the country and what is going on in Colorado.
SPEAKER 21 :
It's almost embarrassing, isn't it?
SPEAKER 10 :
It is embarrassing. I have to apologize sometimes when I introduce myself as someone from Colorado, but then I quickly come back and let them know we're fighting the good fight. We're not giving up. We're going to not move to a different state to get away from it. We're going to stay here and win eventually.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, we are. And, John, you are such a valued partner and supporter of the show. And our independent voice means that we're not – I'm not getting anything from corporate people or whatever telling me what to say. We speak the truth. for the truth and work to speak the truth if i get something incorrect i will try to correct that as well but let's talk about bows and law and you help people if something has happened and as much as we would like to avoid all motor vehicle accidents that just doesn't happen in life does it no you know and i i talk to folks i let them know hey life has thrown you a curveball and
SPEAKER 10 :
There are certain types of any kind of actions, but motor vehicle accidents where you just can't avoid it sometimes. But sometimes you can, and that's what we're going to talk about this morning. Not the ones that you can't. You know, if you're at a stoplight and there's cars in front of you and you're that last car and someone's not paying attention, there's not a whole heck of a lot you can do to avoid that.
SPEAKER 21 :
That happened to me.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but there's situations. where he can avoid it and and i always tell folks and and my kids have heard this so many times uh... when you're driving and it sounds you know like a no-brainer but so many people to get behind the wheel and they're thinking about what they're going to do that day or just got in an argument with the neighbor and they're they're just they're not focused on the task at hand and that's driving and uh... so if you know if you've just had a situation at home, when your kids did something, a fight with the wife or the husband, I tell folks, you know, clear your mind. Don't get in that car until you're ready to focus on driving. It's easy for me to say that. And most of the time, I got to get to work on time. But, you know, I have the opportunity to ask people when cases don't resolve and and we pursue things through litigation, kind of what happened. And so I hear all these things. Now, the other big one is driving distracted because of texting or being on the phone. In Colorado, it's passed a law now. You're not supposed to hold the phone in your hand, but I'm going to go one step further. If that phone is on and you're talking to somebody, whether you're holding the phone or not, you're distracted. And a step above that in terms of distraction is texting. So many accidents are still occurring because of people picking up that phone, looking at that message, or God forbid, texting and responding to it while they're driving. Big ones. Now, as far as, you know, you in a car driving, we've talked about this one several times. But I bring it up because it can be one of the most deadly, most serious, most... destructive accidents, and that's when you pull up to an intersection, you've got a light, you're the first car in line, that light turns red, and you go, pedal to the metal. That is not how to handle that intersection. You want to look to the left, look to the right, look to the left again. It doesn't take very long. If the car behind you honks, ignore them. Make sure no one's coming through that red light that they now have. Side impact, T-bone accidents to the driver's side are bad accidents, and you can avoid it if you just look.
SPEAKER 21 :
And that really is a big one, and I try to remember that every time I come back. come up to a red light because that's really good advice, John Bozen. If somebody is injured or needs help with social security disability, all those different things, what's the best way for them to reach Bozen Law?
SPEAKER 10 :
Best way for any of those situations we handle, call me. If it's a neighbor, a co-worker, hopefully not a family member, but whomever it is, push to have them call me as soon as possible at 303-999- They'll get on the phone with me or one of our other senior lawyers, and they'll get the advice that can make all the difference going forward for them.
SPEAKER 21 :
And again, that's 303-999-9999. And John Bozen, I know all of my sponsors personally, and I know that you and your whole team over there strive for excellence. You work diligently to help your clients, and I greatly appreciate you being in this fight with me because we've got to reclaim this state.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's going to happen. We've just got to be strategically very smart and bold when we need to be and just never give up.
SPEAKER 21 :
From your lips to God's ears, that's for sure. John Bozen, thanks so much. We'll talk next week.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you, Kim. Have a great rest of your show.
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SPEAKER 21 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I may need to lean all of you out there for my my lifeline on this discussion here with uh producer luke and producer joe so the text line is 720-605-0647 and it always gets us thinking uh these conversations with you guys i love it because we need to have these intergenerational discussions producer luke yeah i think so it's the only way to only way to get these ideas through you know Absolutely. So I think that producer Joe's ready. The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli. And this was written a long time ago, wasn't it, producer Luke?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, quite a while. Famously, quite a long time ago. Which I think makes it all the more scarier to see just how much of the core text is still incredibly relevant. It talks a lot about, you know, principalities and monarchies and stuff like that. But, I mean, it's very easy to sort of apply those ideas to even, you know, our modern United States of America, which is, you know, a little worrying, I think, to see so many parallels.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. And so we're going to be talking, we're doing chapters three and four, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, three and four.
SPEAKER 21 :
So chapter three was of mixed monarchies. And so why don't you set this up for us, Luke? What do you think is important?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, so, I mean, there's a couple things in Chapter 3 that I think really stand out. There's plenty to go through, but I think I wanted to start with one that I feel is definitely very applicable to the sort of modern state of things. He says sort of in his discussion about mixed principalities that, you know, you can have a really hard time or a pretty easy time But nothing is ever totally smooth. He goes on and he mentions that the sort of locals of a population will often try and overthrow their ruler to try and better themselves. They'll try and switch out leadership pretty often, especially if they feel that that leadership isn't serving them well. Mm-hmm. It then goes on to say that even if a ruler is sort of put into power through these means, right, the people get fed up with the previous administration, eject that guy, put in a new guy, that the new guy has a fairly hard time... Let me make sure I grab the correct quotes here. He says here that... Let's see. In this way you have enemies and all those whom you have injured in seizing the principality, and you are not to keep those friends who put you there, because you are not being able to satisfy them in the way that they expected. And you cannot take strong measures against them, feeling bound to them. For although one may be very strong in armed forces, yet in entering a province has always needed the goodwill of the natives." So it's interesting to see that sort of idea paralleled even in the modern United States. Say we, for example, we'll say the American people were not happy with Joe Biden's administration. They didn't like the Democratic hold on the state, so they bounced them all out and then replaced them with Donald Trump and the Republicans in the House and Senate. But then you get into this weird position of, Well, it's hard to make moves. It's hard to make change because the people you've upset, the Democrats, are actively working against you. And some of the people who put you there, the people you are now almost sort of not bound to, but the people you feel helped you put there, it's hard for you to fulfill your promises to those people because now you're also burdened with this responsibility of – You know, trying to fulfill your promises to your constituents, trying to fulfill your promises to the people who are responsible for your campaign, so on and so forth. So I think it's I don't know, like it's not we're not a monarchy, right? We're not an oligarchy. We're not a principality. But to see a lot of those core ideas still apply, I think, is very interesting.
SPEAKER 21 :
OK, fascinating. So, OK, Joe, let's go over to your take on this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I would say it is very interesting because we might have the biggest, which is the presidency, but it can even roll down to the lower levels. I think about the governor polis. We're not liking what he's doing right now. And so people are trying to get him removed.
SPEAKER 21 :
But the unique thing about America is that we, the people, are supposed to do this via elections. I don't think, as I was reading this, Luke, I don't think that Machiavelli had the the concept of the American idea. I think he only had these experiences of monarchy. So I don't think that he'd really, and I got to think the founders probably read him as they read all kinds of things. I don't think that he had ever really thought about the changing of rulers through honest elections.
SPEAKER 12 :
No. Well, I mean, America didn't exist. Right. So there's there's no frame of reference to really draw from.
SPEAKER 21 :
I'm sure this was like 1500s, wasn't it?
SPEAKER 12 :
I believe I think 1600s, like 1500s, early 1600s, if I recall. OK. Yeah. I mean, America didn't exist. And I'm sure there were other sort of historical republics at the time that existed, but evidently weren't influential enough to sort of. impact his political writings.
SPEAKER 21 :
Although we might have it later in the book.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I mean we might. At the very least not at this point. But it's interesting too I think that Even though there's no reference of changing rulers through elections, there is still this notion that people will frequently change rulership in an attempt to better themselves, especially if they presume that the current sitting ruler doesn't have their best interest in mind. So the method might be different, but the end result is the same. It's like we're just doing, we're approaching a solution to a problem just from a different angle but it's still at its core the same idea of well the past guy didn't do a good job let's put a new guy in well the past guy didn't do you know even if it's not the same person you're looking at political parties right well the last democrat didn't do a good job let's get a republican well the last republican didn't do a good job let's do a democrat
SPEAKER 21 :
So, Luke, as you're saying a couple of these words, one was so a politician makes promises. So Joe Biden or so Donald Trump made promises. And then also you said if the last guy didn't do a good job, then they get rid of them. So I guess the first thing is, is what who would do? define what would be a good job is a good job that somebody is able to influence which I think Machiavelli is talking about able to influence the leader to get what they want is that what one might consider a good job because I think the definition of that is important yeah Machiavelli alludes to it a bit and in less direct terms but I think in this instance a good job
SPEAKER 12 :
for most people would be having the state or the country, the nation, wherever you're in, have your personal existence within that country or nation be better after their time of rule than before, right? I think everyone has different sort of ideas of what that means, but I think there are a couple good sort of core foundational things that most people would agree on. You want to feel secure in your personage and you want to feel secure in your property. You want to be able to afford to feed yourself, clothe yourself, and house yourself. The capacity to secure your family through financial means. And then I think the third one is to protect yourself from the potential of invasion or foreign attack. So where the first one is securing your personages from whatever is inside your nation, the third one is going to be... security from impacts outside your nation. I think you can have whatever policy on immigration you want. I think we can all universally agree that a bomb dropping on your house is a pretty bad thing. So I think those are like the three core things that most people, I'd argue, would find very strong agreeance on, regardless of political position. So being more secure and well-off in those areas is also a very good sort of universal test to see how better or worse you are before or after a certain, you know, ruler or policymaker. We'll use ruler in this instance because Machiavelli's, you know, talking about princes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, super interesting. I'm going to ponder this, ruminate. Those are going to be two words. What do you think, Teresa?
SPEAKER 01 :
I like ruminate.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, ponder, ruminate. Ruminate's a good one. Yeah, I'll have to add that. Okay, Producer Joe, your thoughts on this?
SPEAKER 06 :
I would have to agree with Luke. I think the biggest thing is the quality of life. We want to be able to do those basics, like Luke said, but also what about the nice things that are brought in? How we enjoy life, whether it be, I mean, some people would say working less and being able to actually spend time with family more. I think those are big things. guidelines to what is a good job and i think that's where during joe biden we we really we got fleeced with every area of taxes were high grocery store was high the word fleeced fleece is also a very good one
SPEAKER 21 :
You got me on that one. No. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it's just important. I think that was the biggest thing that made everybody miserable in America. And so moving towards Donald Trump now and his promises, we're going to be watching and seeing what the quality of life is going to be.
SPEAKER 05 :
OK.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think there's something to keep in mind, at the very least, when it comes to that. I think when you're talking about states and policy and specifically in sort of this realm of statecraft, The material, sort of that which can be measured and thus influenced by someone in a position of power, is really the sort of foundation. If you... If you're familiar with the psychological term, sort of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, there's this pyramid wherein your physical needs rests at the bottom as a foundation. You need to be able to secure yourself physically. This is survival and safety to prevent yourself from dying or starving to death, which is dying. And then once you've built that foundation, there are these sort of ascendant more personal needs. which can't be influenced by statecraft, which is this idea of self-fulfillment or self-actualization. It's the time you get with loved ones and stuff like that. Well, a policymaker can't state mandate you spend 40 hours a week with your children. But they can make the physical, measurable conditions more livable to then allow you to make that decision later on. So I think there becomes this almost fallacy where people measure the success of a ruler in these more sort of abstract areas, when in reality it's the very foundational stuff that influences the abstract. So it's the foundation that needs to be impacted first and foremost.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay. Super fascinating. Vin or Teresa, let me know if you want to weigh in on this.
SPEAKER 11 :
I'd love to weigh in. Okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
Ben Williams.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I'd just like to, you know, so much of life is perspective, right? I went over to the Philippines to do a project, and they're used to having one meal of rice a day. And I'm reminded of the Apostle Paul who says, I know what it is to be in need. I know what it is to have plenty. I've learned the secret of being content in every situation, whether well-fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. And obviously we have a unique opportunity in the united states to influence our government a lot of people don't have that across the world so we need to be involved in influencing our government but also remember our government is not the answer and it really comes down to us as individuals
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, and I think that's one of the things is that people are looking to government to do things, and that was never the way it was supposed to be. The sanctity of the individual was something that was inherent in the American idea. Teresa, do you want to comment on this before we go to break?
SPEAKER 14 :
The government is supposed to be there to work for the people, not the people working for the government.
SPEAKER 21 :
Right, yeah. And when you think about how much they take out of your paycheck, I know you guys feel like you're working for the government, right, Joe? Indeed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 21 :
It's not funny either. I shouldn't. And the word fleece does, you and I are using that word on a pretty regular basis. So I'm going to continue this great discussion. I got sidetracked. I said I wanted to hear from you on the text line and then... i didn't look at the the phone so the text line is 720-605-0647 and wanted to mention the usmc memorial foundation is going to have their great golf tournament on may 15th and it'll be a great round of golf you'll meet some great people support the memorial and it's out at the ridge in castle pine so more information on that go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And they were on the show yesterday as featured guests, and that was Alicia Garcia and Teddy Collins with the second syndicate trying to bring all these voices together instead of fighting with each other, but to bring us together so that we can protect our Second Amendment.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. I forgot to do something. Colonel Rutledge had said, Kim, you need to let people know When you're on exactly. So we are on Monday through Friday, 6 to 8 a.m. live. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And then after that, you can listen to the show via Spotify, iTunes, all of those things. And all those KLZ platforms are KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the website. the app, and I guess you can say play Alexa, play KLZ Alexa, and it comes in loud and clear. Also wanted to mention Laramie Energy. I thank them for their goal sponsorship of the show because it's reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climates. And somebody that's really good at helping people change their own personal climate is Ben Williams with Ben's Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling.
SPEAKER 14 :
That was great.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right. Keep it warm. Keep it cool.
SPEAKER 21 :
Absolutely. What's the best way for people to reach you? 303-995-1636. And Teresa Irby's in studio, and you are our partnership liaison. And we would love to have a few more partners on this that are aligned with us, that strive for excellence.
SPEAKER 14 :
And have congruent values. I love it. I love it. And so what's the best way for people to reach you to just explore that? You can text me or call me at 520-631-9243.
SPEAKER 21 :
520-631-9243. And talking with our young producers, you're both, you know what, I saw on the wall, Producer Joe, you've got a birthday coming up soon, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, ma'am, month of May. Okay, so you'll be 27 then? Yes, ma'am. You'll be an old guy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Old, one foot in the grave.
SPEAKER 14 :
Our birthday is a day apart.
SPEAKER 05 :
It feels like I have one foot in the grave.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'm the 19th. He's the 20th. Oh, my gosh. Okay. We aren't talking my age, though.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
And, Producer Luke, when do you reach the age of 27?
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, I've been there.
SPEAKER 21 :
Oh, you are 27 now.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I think. How old am I? Okay. I was born in 98. So, yes, I am 27 as of March 3rd. Okay. So... I stopped keeping track of my age. I figure I hit 21. That was like the last significant milestone.
SPEAKER 11 :
Congratulations on a personal best for most consecutive days lived. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER 21 :
OK, well, let's go ahead and jump into this. We're going through this book, The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. It was written in the late 1500s, 1600s. We're chapters three and four. We're a mixed monarchy. So what's the next thing we want to talk about, Luke?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I feel like it's very topical to run sort of to the bottom of the chapter where he talks about this idea of princes acquiring lands. And Chapter 3 has plenty of good stuff, but unfortunately just don't have a whole lot of time to get to it. But I wanted to bring this one up because... I feel like especially now it's very relevant because you hear Donald Trump talking. You've heard it in the news. You've heard him say it in his rallies. You know, Canada is the 51st state. He's talking about wanting Greenland, wanting the Panama Canal, a couple of these other sort of acquisitional ideas that he's trying to do here. And I wanted to read this sort of paragraph from near the end of the chapter. And it says here that the wish to acquire is in truth very natural and common, and men always do so when they can, and for this they will be praised, not blamed. But when they cannot do so, yet wish to do so by any means, then there is folly and blame. And I think it's very interesting to have read this chapter sort of at a time where America feels very inclined to acquire these new lands, especially because I think it's not only is it very contentious, but I think there's a lot sort of up in the air on whether it's even physically possible. So I was kind of interested on your take on what Donald Trump has said regarding Canada and Greenland and Panama.
SPEAKER 21 :
Thank you. And, yes, it is a bit – the first time he said Gulf of America or Canada, the 51st state, I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, or acquiring Greenland. Yes. I think like you, I was taken aback a little bit. And he needs to articulate these things, I think, better. We actually did a prerecord for Jay Davidson, which we'll broadcast tomorrow. And he's written a piece that Donald Trump is doing many of the things correctly. to get government put back into its proper role. Big government means small freedom. Individual freedom means big individual, small government. And so I think that Trump needs to articulate the reason that he's saying this. And the reason is, is not because we want to acquire it, is because we've got China over here trying to do things. So for example, we had Drew Dixon with the Center for American Values. He's the Medal of Honor recipient. And do check out the American Center for American Values, just an amazing group. But he was actually stationed on some floating ice for several different seasons in Greenland. The reason was is because at the time, the Russians were running submarines up in that area. So it became a strategic national security question. And so now the Chinese are – they're not saying we want Greenland, but they're up there – doing patrols and things, which is a national security issue. And so that's why Trump is saying this. And so I think that he needs to articulate that better. Go down to the Panama Canal. First of all, we built it and we had thousands of Americans that gave their lives to build the Panama Canal so that we could have trade going a lot easier than from one ocean to another. We spent blood, money, treasure. I don't know why Jimmy Carter gave it away for a dollar, but he did. And so now what we see is that China, again, is having their influence, which would be constricting free trade, and they're charging, my understanding is they're charging, Panama's charging American ships more money. So that's not fair. Now go to Canada. First of all, I think that we... I don't understand why we are giving money to all of these other countries. As Joe says, they're fleecing us. And so I saw a meme that said, why are we paying other countries to hate us? They should be able to hate us without our money. But with Canada, my understanding is he wants to get these borders secured. And so that's why he's saying some of the things that he's saying. Unfortunately, if you don't delve into these issues deeper and you just see that, you think, oh, he's an imperialist, he wants to take this stuff over, which I don't think is really the case. I think part of that is just his bravado, which I had mentioned to Ben Williams as we were getting ready for the show that I'd been in the ladies' clothing business for many years, which meant that I went back to New York on a regular basis. I have a great appreciation for that New York personality. In fact, I can't remember if I told this on the air or not, but I told this to somebody just recently. We were waiting for a bus. We were at our hotel. This was, I think you were born, I think. 98 when I was born. And so we were waiting for the bus to go down to the fashion district, and it was taking a little bit of time. I said, I'm going to walk around the block. So I'm walking around the block, and this limo pulls up. A guy gets out, and I almost run directly into Donald Trump as he was going to Trump Towers. But I think he needs to articulate this better because I don't think that people in America understand just how bad it could be. And I think he's trying to protect Americans, but he needs to be able to articulate this better, Luke.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I would agree. I think articulation is going to be key, especially because I mean, I've made it vocal that I'm not the biggest fan of Donald Trump, nor a lot of his policies at the moment. And I think it's especially sort of coming to bite now where we're in this position where it's not being articulated to the American people, but it's also not being articulated to the respective leaders of those nations, wherein it's, you know, the leader of Denmark, who I believe controls or has possession of Greenland or is in some way responsible for Greenland.
SPEAKER 21 :
Just a question. Why does Denmark have Greenland?
SPEAKER 12 :
That's a great question. Right. I don't know. But the current, you know, sort of ownership of Greenland making him pretty angry. It just recently when I was on Rush to Reason with Andy yesterday on Monday, he was talking about the current election that was going on in Canada. Right there. They're doing an election right now and they're. Republican Party, and the exact numbers are going to be lost because I don't have them in front of me, but I remember the gist. The Republican Party in Canada had a lead in that election by approximately 40 points. It was a significant lead. I think maybe it was like a 30 point. I remember they were somewhere in the 40-ish percentage and the sort of Democrat, the Liberal Party over there in Canada was floating around. I think it was like 11 or 13%. Which was a big win for the Republican Party in that side. Donald Trump... Conservative Party. Yes, Conservative Party. Yes, thank you. Donald Trump then continued this sort of push. Canada is the 51st state. Let's do it. We want it to happen. And that bent a lot of people the wrong way. That turned the 30-point Conservative lead... into a three-point conservative deficit as the Democrat or the Liberal Party in Canada absolutely skyrocketed after he had made those statements, which was a huge loss for the Conservative Party up there in Canada. And it was because of what he said. And it's not just a matter of... You know, maybe saying these things in a more articulate way is a good idea, especially when it's impacting very real elections that is going to impact sort of global economy, which I'm not a big fan of seeing personally. But I think that's sort of very important is that it goes beyond just the verbal, right? This is nationally sort of impacting everyone.
SPEAKER 21 :
well and people have to they need to do the work to figure this out as well this came in on the text line and then we'll go to break it says first we built the panama canal and second it is a national security issue same with greenland this helps keep the world safe now realize china isn't very nice to their people and they're certainly very not nice to the uyghurs and they have slave labor over there so uh when you i think we need to articulate the Just what's going on here. She said, Trump is trying to point out to the Canadians that their government is out of control. If Trump just makes that statement, it will not make the news. She's right. I think you have a good point, though.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think making the news is fine. Making the news is great. But what happens when you make the news and it swings something in a wildly bad direction? I think it's one thing.
SPEAKER 20 :
Did you just say that it was a bad? Aha, we gotcha.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I mean, I think politically speaking, nationally speaking, yeah, that was a terrible decision. I think if your goal is to influence and create allies within Canada, and then you make a statement that loses those allies in Canada, that's a bad move.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, no, I think you're right. And I was not trying to revel in that. Excuse me for doing that.
SPEAKER 12 :
You're allowed to. It's all right.
SPEAKER 21 :
Because I can't tell you how much I appreciate the two of you guys jumping in on this. So when we come back, Joe, I want to get your take on this, and then we need to get to Chapter 4, don't we?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes. Okay. Chapter four is very short, so it'll be quick and easy.
SPEAKER 21 :
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SPEAKER 21 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
Kim, you know what? I was excited to be here in person because I thought for sure you guys had high-octane coffee. I'm telling your listeners that's not the case. Kim is a bundle of energy.
SPEAKER 21 :
She is indeed. The good Lord's blessed me with a lot of energy, and I hope it's like feet don't fail me now. And then in studio, producer Joe, obviously, and producer Luke. We're going through The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. And you guys, I just so appreciate that you're up for this because these intergenerational discussions are so important. So before we get to Chapter 4, is there anything else you wanted to say on Chapter 3, producer Joe?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I just wanted to kind of piggyback off of Luke on what he was generally saying. I think he is right that Canada was or is one of our friends, so to speak. But talking bad, yeah, no, that's probably a bad move. I think the biggest thing, and I try and think of it like risk a little bit, Why Trump would try and get more land and stuff, I think it's for the resources, because if we have something to give value to our country, it will grow our economic stance, I think.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, I don't really think we should acquire Canada, though. I don't. I'm not up for that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Machiavelli says that there is great difficulty to acquire a state which is not culturally the same as yours. Speaking the same language is a big factor, but to try and take a state that is so culturally different becomes incredibly difficult. I mean, even if we could, I don't think we should. I mean, nationally it would make us look awful. It would make us look like sort of greedy conquerors.
SPEAKER 21 :
But we'd always have an American team then that would win the Stanley Cup.
SPEAKER 12 :
There you go. You know what? Let's do it. Let's do it.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, I convinced you. Okay, let's jump into Chapter 4 then. Chapter 4 is why the kingdom of Darius occupied by Alexander did not rebel against the successors of the latter after his death.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it gives a very sort of broad historical example, does kind of provide like evidence and supporting facts to the previous chapter. But there's a good sort of segment in there that I think can be taken in isolation. And I wanted to find the exact quote, and I wish I could, but I forgot.
SPEAKER 21 :
I might have highlighted it. I don't know.
SPEAKER 12 :
You might have. It might have been the tail end of chapter three or the beginning of chapter four, where he mentions that. When it comes to keeping the state you've acquired, if you can recognize and identify a problem from within your state, but then don't deal with that problem immediately, it will grow and fester until it becomes basically an unwinnable scenario for you. And he mentions that Alexander was able to sort of catch these issues before they arose and dealt with them before it escalated into something serious. But it's also, I think they mentioned here, that being physically present and aware within your state to catch those issues before they arise is really significant. And if you are not physically there and you're not aware or looking, that these things can really kind of sneak up on you and they'll fester. And I think it's very interesting, too, especially because when Machiavelli wrote this, you're looking at these principalities, these kingdoms that are by all proportion, very small in size, at the very least compared to like, you know, some of the United States, right? You know, France is smaller than Texas, you know, something like the back in the day, really, really small thing. So it's interesting to see how a country as large as ours can have these sort of small pockets of issues that rise. And by the time you hear about them, it's because they've risen to a point where they've begun to fester and sort of become not unwinnable, but much, much harder to deal with.
SPEAKER 21 :
interesting on this one one thing and i think you alluded to this is he said something about and we were talking about canada culturally yes culturally different culturally homogenous i think is one of the terms he used so i i'd written this um i thought illegal immigration which under the oh biden harris administration uh there were millions that came into our country and They don't understand. They're not culturally the same. And I feel like that that was a on-purpose invasion by the O'Biden-Harris administration. Your comments on that?
SPEAKER 12 :
I was going to say illegal immigration I think also plays very well into this Chapter 4 segment where it is an issue that has risen to such an extreme that once everyone is made aware of just how tumultuous the situation is, it's already gotten to a point where it becomes significantly harder to deal with.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 12 :
Like I said, I'm not a Republican, but I'm also not a Democrat. I think countries should have borders. I think illegal immigration is a very dangerous, very slippery slope. I am all for legal immigration. Come here legally. Make sure all your I's are dotted and your T's are crossed. We're at this point now in our current country where we see this sort of effect at play where, all right, what's the number they throw? I think 15 million, 20 million is the number you hear a lot in the news. All right, say you've got 20 million people. That's a lot. You can have all the ICE agents in the world doing whatever they want. You know, 20 million people is a lot of people. If the problem was addressed early enough and addressed correctly early enough, then maybe this would have been avoidable.
SPEAKER 21 :
They didn't address it. They exacerbated it. Okay, Producer Joe, we're just about out of time. So your final thought?
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree. And also, generally speaking, with the illegal immigration, I mean, it's in the name, illegal.
SPEAKER 21 :
It's against our... Oh, that's so interesting that you would mention that because I was... Let's see. I was working on the CUT email yesterday and came over in commentary in a Word document, and we were talking about one of the... bills that is a welcome and we welcome for people that are here illegally and so anyway we referred it to as illegal immigrants and Microsoft the word document said that for it to be more inclusive I should have said undocumented I left it as illegal aliens but I thought that was so interesting that that did that anyway we're out of time producer Joe Thank you. You're the best. And Producer Luke, thank you. You're the best. Thanks for having these discussions. Yeah, thanks for having me. And so we'll get it on the schedule for next month.
SPEAKER 12 :
We will.
SPEAKER 21 :
And you'll let us know how many chapters. Absolutely. Yeah, you're the boss.
SPEAKER 12 :
These chapters are pretty short and pretty easy. Well, I wouldn't say they're easy, but they're short.
SPEAKER 21 :
They're not easy. I'm glad they're short. And Ben Williams, so great to have you here.
SPEAKER 11 :
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SPEAKER 21 :
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Tune into this episode to explore the evolving landscapes of U.S. trade relations, particularly with India, and the implications of the current trade war with China. Bill Gundersen brings in-depth analysis of market trends and discusses the consequences of trade deficits, tariffs, and diplomatic maneuvers that could redefine economic power structures globally.
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He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, thestreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
SPEAKER 07 :
And welcome to the Tuesday. It is the April 29th live edition of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. And we had a mixed open, but now everything has gone green on my screen here with the Dow up 186 points, 40,413. The NASDAQ is up 56 points. It was down just a little bit ago. It's at 17,421. The S&P 500 is up 12. to $5,540. The bond market is about the same as it ended yesterday. The 10-year currently is at, let's see, the 10-year 4.19. Actually, we're down a little bit there, 4.19% on the 10-year. Gold right now is down 1%. So you're seeing a little move away from the defensive trade into gold and over to the more growth-oriented trade into stocks. Gold is at $3,315 right now. We've got Bitcoin. Bitcoin is at $95,000 today. What a comeback going on there. Still $10,000 under its low today. But Bitcoin is up $670, so not a bad start to the day so far. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. I don't think anybody can argue that we've seen some stabilization here in the market recently. over the past couple of weeks and Barry you know as I've watched these earnings reports come in I'm of the opinion that maybe the analysts over rated the effects from tariffs on the economy and on individual companies I mean, yes, there are some individual companies that are in the line of fire, but overall, it's not the end of the world that was being predicted by the Jim Cramers of the world. I mean, the market has really stabilized here.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the data is really weird. I mean, the market's telling us, obviously, you look at the market, you've seen that bottoming pattern, as you've mentioned and called, and But, you know, when you look at some of the data, it's really dirty from the standpoint of, you know, you've got, you know, a lot of these folks, you know, front purchasing things. So you haven't seen some of the potential retail sales drop yet. You may at some point, right? It's, you know, we haven't seen any supply shocks, but we're hearing that you may see empty shelves, right? So it's a lot of this... The actual numbers are telling us one thing at this point, but some of that data could be a little dirty. That's why it would be interesting to see these payroll numbers. I think we get ADP tomorrow and then the NARM farm payroll on Friday.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Not to mention a ton of earnings. The earnings side has been great still. I mean, we haven't seen any issues.
SPEAKER 07 :
I remember the day Jim Cramer said on Monday we're going to get a drop, you know, something like the 1987 drop. Right. You know, look, there's two sides in this country, and one side badly wants the other side to fail. And the media is not divided 50-50. The media is probably 95-5, you know, anti-Trump.
SPEAKER 06 :
There's also news entertainment in other words, right? A lot of our news, no matter which side someone's listening to, tends to be more entertainment, trying to get eyeballs versus news versus actual news.
SPEAKER 07 :
I just see most headlines coming from certain outlets to be 99.9% negative. And, you know, I think they're going to be proven wrong. And the market stabilizing here is pretty much a testament to that. The market's finished on a pretty strong note yesterday. Nvidia was a weak spot. We still don't know what Huawei's chip, where it stands compared to Nvidia's chip. Will China be able to do their AI training on Huawei chips instead of Nvidia chips? Gold had a good day yesterday. It's selling off a little bit here today. But I think the big days are coming on Wednesday and Thursday when we get some really big earnings reports from Techland. Now, we've gotten quite a few today, but nothing really from tech, not from big tech, a couple of big industrials. We're going to get 11 Dow companies reporting this week, a couple of already reported today. Now, the trade deficit.
SPEAKER 06 :
Meta and Microsoft tomorrow and Amazon and Apple on Thursday. So there's four of the quote-unquote magnificent seven that still exist.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, the market's probably a little quiet today waiting for those. The trade deficit has not narrowed yet. It widened in March. To a record, I believe. But isn't that what you were just saying? Because they're amping up. They're front-running, getting ahead of it, okay? And so you had $162 billion, which is about average. That's about what we've been running. But it came in hotter. We were expecting $145 billion. You know, we're one of the few countries in the world that runs a trade deficit, let alone a trillion-dollar trade deficit. And that's one of the things that obviously is under Trump's skin. And he's looking to narrow that trade deficit. But it's not showing up in the numbers yet. But with just one ship in our port, I'm going over that way today. I'm going to cross the bridge. I'll take a look at the – I'll give you a Wando River report tomorrow on what it looks like, how many freighters are in our port.
SPEAKER 06 :
One of the pink ones, which I think is a Chinese company, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. I forget what the pink brand is.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Europe would never paint their ships pink. India is said to weigh Boeing orders as bargaining chip in U.S. trade talks. You know what? Listen, I see a lot of attention being paid to India. There's more people that live in India than live in China. They surpassed China in population not too long ago. Now, I don't know what the average income is of India versus China. I don't know that number, but obviously there's a lot of attention being put on India right now. And, you know, India's been buying a lot of planes from Airbus, but as a bargaining chip, they are, at the end of the day, that's really the bottom line, is Trump wants other countries to buy more of our products.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and also Besant this morning spoke at kind of a press conference or kind of early this morning. And him and the press secretary were fielding questions. And he said, you know, they kind of asked him which ones are likely to come to a deal first. And he said, you know, mentioned that the vice president being in India and, you know, that basically they were close to a deal with India, which... In reality, you think of industrial base, right, as one that could, you know, is on par, right, or could be on par with China.
SPEAKER 01 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Like you said, population size, where they're at in the world, location-wise. So there's a lot of... I think getting a deal with them turns around and puts a good bit of, to me, puts a lot of pressure on China.
SPEAKER 07 :
And, you know, in return, India is planning to revise tariffs on approximately 8,500 industrial products. Such things as bourbon whiskey, Harley-Davidson motorcycles are among the goods targeted for reduced duty, so India could become a very, very big customer of United States goods, which would then, you know, obviously narrow that trade gap. You could also say that India is not taking the money that we buy their goods with and building up a fearsome military, right? Like China has missiles and supporting Iran and other things like this. So anyways, I mean, India, this could turn into quite a good partnership. China is also playing around with India. They're saying we're not going to flood India with cheap goods, which would kind of be a preemptive strike against us to flood it with cheap goods. You don't want those American goods. Look how much cheaper our goods are. China has said they will not do that, but of course that's what they've been doing for years and years and years in countries all over the world. Relations were sour between India and China. They had a border dispute up there. And now China's trying to make good with India. As you said, I mean, that's putting pressure on China. These ties with India between the U.S. and India. So we'll have to see how this all works out.
SPEAKER 06 :
And Besant mentioned it today in terms of the size. If these factories are shut down, they could be a month away from literally 5 to 10 million people being laid off in China. They need to make a deal as
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah, China's feeling the pinch. Now, when we come back, another company has stepped up to the plate and is going to build a $1 billion plant in Delaware. to ensure domestic supply of Keytruda. And, I mean, they're keeping a list of all the companies that have announced investments in the U.S. That's becoming a very long list. We'll talk about that company when we come back. This is the Best Stocks Now show.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Docs Now show. Merck. Merck is the company building a $1 billion Delaware plant right in Joe Biden's backyard. I doubt it. But it's in Wilmington, Delaware, becoming the latest pharmaceutical company to boost domestic investment as industry-targeted tariffs loom. This will be a 470,000-square-foot investment. That's bigger than my house. Biologic Center. It will comprise laboratory manufacturing and warehouse capabilities. So anyways, you know, there's another one that you can rack up. It's estimated to create 500 full-time jobs and roughly 4,000 construction jobs. So anyways, there you go. Canada went to Carney. The Liberals win as Trump threats fuel parties come back. And a lot of people say that, of course, when they took the poll, when the other guy was way ahead, that was against Trump. And then, of course, Trudeau decided to resign. He could see the handwriting on the wall, it seems like, that he was not going to win. And he handed it over to Carney. And Carney, it looks like that's the winner. Canada decided to continue kind of on the course that they're on. Earnings week ahead, okay, as you said. It's going to be the important ones. I think it begins, does the party begin tonight? Let me see, Tuesday?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think it's Wednesday. I know Wednesday is Meta and Microsoft, and then, of course, Thursday, Amazon and Apple. There's still some other big names this week, too. Tonight we get Visa. You named off a bunch yesterday.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I don't see a lot of big ones tonight. Booking.com, that's pretty big. Visa's pretty big. But tomorrow is Microsoft. That's a monster. Meta is a monster. Qualcomm, Caterpillar, this is all on Wednesday. And then on Thursday, Apple, which used to be the biggest report of all, seems like these days it's NVIDIA. tesla also is always a big one apple's going to report on thursday and amazon amazon's under a little pressure and you know i i didn't see the entire story but amazon came out with something you know about the yes what right yeah so what what they're going to do is they're going to have a line on the on the on the uh when you when you're
SPEAKER 06 :
ready to check out or on the cost um there's going to be you know a line of how much of the cost is a tariff yeah and of course uh it sounds like the administration didn't you know i think took it as a political uh you know kind of uh you know shot across the bow so it seems like a fight could be i like that idea actually you know i i think there's a lot of people inclined to try to avoid buying things so if that's possible on amazon yeah well i wish i wish your medical I wish your medical bill was, you know, as transparent, right? I mean, it's like, you know, that's the one thing that always gets me. It doesn't matter what you're getting done. You never know what it's going to cost until after the fact. Okay. Telling me what it's going to be, transparency and pricing, I'm all for that.
SPEAKER 07 :
I would just say this about Amazon. They've got to be in the crosshairs. I mean, they've gone after Google as being a monopoly. They've gone after Meta as being a monopoly. In my book, Amazon is the biggest monopoly of all time. Now Amazon's going to launch their first satellites into space to compete with Starlink. So now they're going to become an Internet provider. I think Amazon better be careful because... There's just no question in my mind that eventually they're going to be in front of the Federal Trade Commission with their monopolistic practices and having too many irons in the fire. I mean, they're into telehealth now. You can book a doctor on Amazon. And it doesn't list whether he charges a tariff or not.
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I mean, they've got Prime Video. I mean, so it's like they compete with Netflix. They've got music, so they compete with Spotify and with iTunes. And that was his book was A to Z. Well, and in the press conference. At today's press conference, they actually asked, I mean, because they talked about it for a moment, and they asked the press secretary, you know, isn't Bezos pro-Trump? And it didn't sound like that he's too happy about it, put it that way. Yeah. There's going to be more of that to come.
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He better be careful. Okay, now. Walmart continues with the store of the future concept. If you think about it, the changes that came from COVID are pretty profound. Just like 9-11 changed the world, COVID changed the world. More and more people now are having things delivered to their home. They're not going into the store. They're doing pickup or delivery. And Walmart is going to start designing their stores, right? I mean, you're going to have a much more efficient process Of picking up your stuff. And the stores are going to be very, very modern with a lot of technology. They're opening the first one. I like this idea. Cypress, Texas on April 30th, which is tomorrow. If you're in Cypress. Head on down to the four-day grand opening. I don't know if they've got hot dogs or anything. If there was, I might show up. The new Supercenter is a testament to Walmart's ongoing commitment to investing in our store operations and our associates so we continue to provide exceptional service and value to our customers. Now, Walmart I don't consider a monopoly. I mean, they're a retail giant. Walmart is into a lot of things, but nothing like Amazon is. And, of course, Trump is trying to open up Amazon and Walmart in India to be buying from them, which would be a good market for them. But they're going to deliver a seamless, high-quality, tech-forward shopping experience for customers. customers uh and uh that that that should be interesting i i i think walmart uh could use a big makeover uh with with all the technology we have now hymns and her surges on partnership with novo nordisk for wagovi So finally, hims and hers has pulled the plug on the compounds, which that's going to sell the real thing. And it's interesting that they chose Wagovi instead of Zepbound. But that obviously opens up another outlet for Novo Nordisk. Now, let's see if Novo Nordisk is moving on this news at all. Yes, it's up 2.7%. I think Novo Nordisk is a good candidate for the relative value portfolio. And on the other hand, HIMS is up 19.6% on that news. I just think that Novo Nordisk is a more pure play on Wegovy than HIMS and HERS. But HIMS and HERS has been a volatile stock. It got up to 73% at one time. It was $2 in 2022. Now it's at $34 a share. And, of course, it is an online pharmaceutical with a lot of different offerings. And the weight loss offering is now on there coming from Novo Nordisk. Okay, now the earnings reports. uh are rolling in and you know look there's a lot of the the vast majority of stocks in the market in my book are soggy They're stodgy old growth giants of yesteryear. And this week we have 11 of the Dow stocks reporting earnings. So as we go through these earnings from a lot of these Dow stocks, I'm also going to mention the track record of what kind of returns these soggy stocks have produced for investors over the years. And why do so many people own these soggy stocks? We'll be right back. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services, call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show.
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And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Docs Now show. Well, I have to remind everybody that May 20th and 21st will be in Cleveland in Warrensville, Ohio at the Marriott.
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and be teaching a workshop Tuesday night at 7 p.m. And then during the day, Tuesday and Wednesday, the whole team will be there, and we're booking appointments for those two days' whirlwind trip. The Gundersen tour bus is pointed towards Cleveland. We're gassing it up, and the battery EV will never get us there. We'd have to make too many stops. But anyways, if you'd like to book an appointment... 855-611-BEST, 855-611-BEST, or go online to GundersenCapital.com. Okay, let's start with Coca-Cola. KO, the big knockout punch. You know, Coca-Cola does well in a bear market. Coca-Cola does well when the growth stocks are under pressure. This year is a very good example, but you have to look at Coca-Cola over the longer term. Coca-Cola is actually having a very good year so far this year. Why? Because the growth stocks and the tech stocks, you know, that's been on the receiving end, Coca-Cola, of money. Coca-Cola is considered a consumer product. Almost a staple, I would say, a consumer staple, not discretionary. There's people that could never live without their Coca-Cola. It's not discretionary.
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It's a staple. They're selling bottled water and everything.
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Yeah, okay. So it's having a good year, all right? If you're invested in Coca-Cola, congratulations. You're up 19.7% in 2025 year to date. But as we go back over the last 10 years... Coca-Cola, along with its dividend yield, and I've got to imagine that the dividend yield is pretty attractive. Let's see what the dividend yield is.
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It's 2.84, forward dividend, 2.84.
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Not bad. Okay, so you're going to get a dividend. But the total return over the last 10 years has been 9.2% per year, which isn't bad. You say, well, that's better than a CD. Yeah, there's a lot more volatility than in a CD, but you have just a flat investment in Coca-Cola and let it sit for 10 years. That's doubling your money in eight years, okay? Now, the problem is...
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I mean, you're looking at the earnings growth for the P.E. It just doesn't look palatable in my eyes.
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And the earnings growth continues to decelerate, okay? You just can't come up with new products. You've saturated, I'd like to buy the world of Coke. Everybody already has got one. Now, the S&P has averaged 16.2%. So on this door, number one, an investment in Coca-Cola has returned 9.2% per use. So that looks pretty good. On the other door, just an investment in the S&P 500, which Coca-Cola is just one of those 500 stocks, 16.2%. So it's sorely underperformed the S&P 500. which doesn't give me a lot of hope that it's going to outperform the S&P 500 going forward. Unless we have really ugly times in the market, then it would outperform the S&P 500. Now, over the last three years, Coca-Cola's averaged just 6% per year. With the dividend. And it would basically be flat, but it's had a good year here starting with all of the troubles. And I guess they're not impacted by tariffs because the stock hasn't been impacted.
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Still have GLP-1 headwinds, right, in terms of just, you know, potential dietary changes going forward. And, you know, frankly, I mean, their earnings growth of 2.67%, right, and a 24 PE ratio. Yeah. You know, you might as well hold the S&P 500 because the S&P will have a, you know, has a better actually for the earnings growth, has a better earnings growth than about the same PE, right? Yeah.
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Yeah, I remember we used to have a mutual fund wholesaler. Those guys would call on us all the time. This is when I was at a brokerage firm. The wholesalers, they would travel around visiting and trying to get you. You'd meet in the conference room. They'd buy pizza for you, right? And we'd all have to sit there and listen to their pitch. I rarely went to them, but I sat in on quite a few. And he would bring in this duffel bag or this briefcase, and he would pull out toothpaste. And then he would pull out deodorant. And then he would pull out baby shampoo. And on and on and on. All the things you use. And then he'd sip a Coke, right? Open up a can of Coke. And they had a fund. All the consumer staples. Yeah, so they had a mutual fund on brand names, okay? I don't remember him lighting up a Marlboro, but... I was about to say, he didn't light up a can with a cigarette or anything.
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No, but...
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So that's a theory, and that's pretty much what Wall Street sells. I'm just saying that nothing has changed. This is 25 years ago. Nothing has changed. They're still buying these things. He didn't put a diaper on. Nothing has changed over these 25 years. They're still selling you name brand companies' stocks, even though, look, Coca-Cola's quarter. Their sales were down 2% versus the same quarter last year, and their earnings were up 1%. And if it's true, and I believe it is, that stocks follow earnings growth, there's no earnings growth. So where are you going to get stock price appreciation from in Coca-Cola?
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You want to guess what the institutional ownership of Coca-Cola is? Heavy.
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Heavy.
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Seventy-two percent. Yeah.
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I mean, every big institution, if you have an account at Morgan Stanley, Raymond James, I'm not picking on these guys. This is just the way they do things. Merrill Lynch, you're going to own Coca-Cola. KO, that's the way they do things. It's a name brand. Nobody's ever going to say, this guy put me into Coca-Cola.
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Or if you own a mutual fund, if you own a large-cap mutual fund, it's likely in there just because they need places to stash money when the fund gets so big.
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So, you know, the Best Stocks Now app ranks it, let's see, it's a stronghold. It's number 492 out of 5,091. It's usually lower than that, but it's having a good year because of the growth stocks. I mean, the NASDAQ's still down double digits, I think. Okay, now the next example that we're going to take a look at, which is a Dow stock, Pfizer. Pfizer, you know, has had some blockbuster drugs over the years. They were in the right place at the right time with their so-called vaccine, but it's been a terrible time. Just a terrible stock over the years. The CEO is not a popular guy. I remember he said some wacky things over the years. And you've had terrible performance, okay? If I'm a shareholder of Pfizer, I'm going to ask Mr. Borla why the stock over the last 10 years is only... Well, it's delivered 10.2. That's not bad. Better than Coca-Cola. But recently... It's been awful. Over the last three years it's given a 2% return. Over the last 12 months it's up 2%. Over the last five years it's done about half of what the S&P 500 has done. And their most recent quarter, their sales were down 8%, 8% loss in sales and drop in sales. And their earnings were up 12%. But, you know, the chart's just ugly. I mean, this stock is where it was a long time ago. It's at $23.50 after hitting a high of 61 during the COVID year. It's lost 67% of its value recently. since the COVID vaccine kind of gave them a little boost for a while. Okay, the next one we'll look at. I don't know if it's a Dow stock or not. BP. BP is actually a United Kingdom company, so I doubt. I think Exxon and Chevron are our two Dow oil stocks. BP has also not been a very good performer over the years. Now, BP sports a big fat dividend yield. Of 6.8%, Barry. Why am I doing all this work trying to find stocks when I can just buy BP and collect my 6.8% a year? That beats the heck out of CDs. Well, here's the problem, though. You have to add in to that to get total return of the stock. The stock performance and the dividend added together equal the total return. And the total return over 10 years of BP, and talk about headwinds. especially in Europe, right, with the green energy and everything. Ten-year performance of BP, 1.8% per year. You get more than that in a money market. With a lot of risk does BP come with. 1.8% per year, S&P up 16.2%. BP over the last 12 months is down 22%. But you can look it up, Barry, when we come back. Let them know what the institutional ownership is of BP. It is also a widely held stock. We'll be right back.
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You gotta go where you wanna go. Do what you wanna do.
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Stocks Now show. And it's all about earnings, earnings, earnings this week. This is the heart of earnings season. with 120 S&P 500 companies reporting this week, 11 Dow companies, and then next week will be a big week also. Then it starts to really wind down. As I said yesterday, when we started this quarter, the street was looking for 7.2% growth in earnings versus the same quarter last year, which isn't bad. But now we're up to 10.2%. As companies have reported and beat their earnings estimates, that number is going up. It will be fun to see where it's at, interesting to see where it's at by this weekend. And, of course, that's in my newsletter in the Macro Outlook section every week, along with my target price for the S&P 500, my 12-month and my 24-month target price. for the S&P 500. That's based on numbers. It's mathematics. It's a multiple times an earnings estimate. That sets the target price. And of course, as companies report, one way or the other, for good, better, or for worse, Those numbers change a little bit. And so far, the trend this earnings season has been very good, which leads me to believe that maybe that the market, the big sell-offs earlier this month, were a little bit overdone. They were anticipating, you know, the end of the world and a huge hit from tariffs. And so far, that's not really showing up in the earnings reports and the earnings forecast. But there's still a lot of gray area out there, especially with China trade and companies that do a lot of business with China. Selling into the Chinese markets, you're in bad shape right now if you depend on sales to China because they've got the 100% tariff against us. And buying things that come from China, eventually you're going to see a big pop because we're charging them $100. Do you think any of those products are here yet? I don't really know. If they're already here, I don't think the tariff can be charged. I think the tariff is when it hits the country.
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I don't know if it's – my guess is you could have a ship. There's got to be some kind of – if it left port by this time, there has to be some date there. Otherwise, you'd have a ship in the middle of the ocean that gets diverted like, oh, okay, well, I guess I can't drop my stuff off here.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, what about all the inventory that's in the Home Depot right now? I can't see all of a sudden that stuff having tariffs added to them.
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Oh, yeah, I think that inventory – fine it's yeah no exactly so so that's what that that's why you've seen this inventory build right and in best and actually talked about it today in terms of talking to big companies and what they have in their quote-unquote warehouses right um and which you know gives them an idea of how you know what kind of time length right that they have from a negotiation standpoint so there's a there's a lot of moving parts and logistics involved there and uh you know it's uh It's something that you can work around, I think, a lot better than obviously COVID, where you had something just completely shut down, right? In this sense, we've got more flexibility, at least from a CEO standpoint, right? And we've seen CEOs are pretty good at navigating some of this stuff. I mean, they navigated high inflation and still showed us record earnings over time, right? It really highlights, though.
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How important it is and how they've got to really be working in the background to get an agreement. Because if I'm the CEO of Home Depot and Lowe's and Walmart, I'm chewing my fingernails. If I'm in the shipping and receiving and ordering department, right? What do we call that? The IYM?
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The logistic folks. Yeah, I mean, just-in-time inventory, right? All that stuff gets thrown out the window if you don't have, you know, quote-unquote reliability on what the rules are. So I think that's why, you know, you're going to need a quick resolution at some point.
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Absolutely.
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Because there's just things that we get, and there's a reason why we consume five times more stuff than gets bought by China because it's some of the stuff we need. There's a lot of junk, too, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
I've heard the argument, you know, we're not going to be going back to manufacturing trinkets again. That's not the point of the tariffs. I mean, Trump doesn't want to be making little toys and stuff like this or stuff that fills the hobby stores, the craft stores. We're not looking to manufacture that in the U.S. We're looking for them to buy more of our products. Then you have to say, are our products competitive? I mean, in China, I mean, they're very price conscious themselves. They don't want to be paying more for a U.S. product when they can get it cheaper from somewhere else. So all of that is coming into play here. And something has to give, because I know this. That's China's biggest customer. We are biggest customer to China. They absolutely have to have the U. They are a manufacturing economy. They totally depend on us buying their products, even if it be cheap little trinkets and plastic this and plastic that. They depend on it. Their whole economy runs on it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and that's where the shutdowns were. Besson was talking about, you know, you could have it in a month or so, right? Potentially 5 to 10 million people in China, right? Losing their jobs. Out of work with an idle factory. And that's a lot of people to go unemployed at one time, right?
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Well, I mean, there's a lot of pressure.
SPEAKER 06 :
Think of our unemployment numbers, right? We talked about weekly job losses, right? What, 200K, 212? You really got to be in 300,000 to have a problem? You know, and they'd be in a 5 to 10 million range.
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Well, there's a lot of pressure on Trump to get a resolution. Think of the pressure on Xi from all of these companies that make all of these trinkets and whatnot that come to us. Right. So, you know, the pressure on him has got to be enormous. And, you know, look, there's pride gets involved on both sides. They don't want to budge. They don't want to give. They're going to stand their ground. But something has to give. Okay, we're out of time for today. We hope we gave you plenty of food for thought there, including go open up a Coca-Cola. Help their sales out. They've got 1% growth. That's it. If you'd like to make a reservation for Cleveland, 855-611-BEST. That's coming up. We're just a couple of three weeks out now. And if you'd like to set up an appointment with us, man, I'm putting new money to work on a daily basis that's coming in from all over America. And you can set up an appointment for planning, review what you're doing currently, blah, blah, blah. 855-611-BEST or GundersenCapital.com to get a four-week trial to the newsletter and what we're doing in the market right now. Have a great day, everybody.
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Rick Hughes discusses how counterfeit happiness can be seductive yet unfulfilling, as he urges listeners to look beyond their immediate realities and embrace divine wisdom for lasting contentment. By examining the words of the Lord Jesus Christ, this episode teaches the importance of the mentality of the soul and encourages believers to develop a deeper understanding of biblical principles. Step into a life of peace, contentment, and divine joy by learning the profound lessons presented in today's show.
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Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
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Good morning and welcome to the Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and for the next few minutes, please stay with me. It won't be long, only about 30 minutes of motivation, inspiration, education, and all done without any manipulation. As we say every week, we're not trying to con you, we're not trying to raise money, we're not trying to sell you anything. We just want to give you accurate information. Hopefully, that will help you verify and identify the plan of God for your life. If I can do that, then you have the freedom and the privacy to orient and adjust to the plan. That's up to you. But thank you for giving me a few minutes of your time. Our show is called The Flot, F-L-O-T, Flotline. And what I'm doing this week is I'm continuing a series explaining how we came up with the name Flotline, F-L-O-T. This radio show is another in a series of explaining how we did that and exactly what does the Flotline do for you. And please remember that the term FLOT is a military term for saying what is known as the Forward Line of Troops, F-L-O-T, Forward Line of Troops. Many years ago, my pastor, R.P. Thames, Jr., Baraka Church in Houston, Texas, coined this phrase to describe 10 unique problem-solving devices taught in the scripture that's available to every Christian. These 10 unique problem-solving devices are actually biblical principles that every believer should know and use. And if you're not aware of them, then you're missing out on the invested power that God has made available to you today for this time. These past few shows have been my attempt to remind you of all those 10 problem-solving devices so that hopefully you can recall them, remember them, remember the process to become a winner believer today. in the devil's world. We've reviewed already on the first few shows, Rebound, which is 1 John 1, 9. If we confess our sin, he's faithful and just to forgive us of our sin and purify us from all our wrongdoing. Rebound is us recovering from failure in our life, recovering from sin in our life, not letting our sin nature control our life, and so rebound leads to the filling of the Holy Spirit. That's problem-solving device number two. That solves the problem of your sin nature wanting to control you and make you carnal. Then we studied the faith rest drill, standing on the promises of God. We studied grace orientation. We studied doctrinal orientation, and we studied a personal sense of destiny. We've also done a show on personal love for God and impersonal love for other people. All of those shows are already been recorded and available. If you'd like to have them again, contact us, let us know. We can give you a transcript or we can perhaps even give you an MP3 of that show. So today, and by the way, that's all on the podcast too. We always podcast our shows and our shows are available on the website, rickhughesministries.org. So if you go to rickhughesministries.org on the internet, you can listen to any one of these shows. They're all posted there. So anyhow, what we want to do today is talk about problem-solving device number nine, and that's sharing the happiness of God, okay? And so let's start by looking at John 15, 11. Here are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ as he spoke to the disciples. These things I have spoken to you so that my joy may remain in you and that your joy may be full. Did you get that? These things I spoke to you so that my joy, J-O-Y, we key that with the word happiness, so that my joy may remain in you and you might be happy and full, joyful may be full. These words were spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ after a long night of teaching the disciples what they could expect in the future after he was arrested and eventually, of course, crucified. Our Lord wanted them to understand that regardless of what was to come, they were never to lose the joy of serving God, regardless of whatever the circumstances they found themselves in. And it was not going to be good either, because listen to this. In John 16, 1 and 2, the Lord Jesus Christ told the disciples this. These things I spoke to you so that you should not be made to stumble. They will put you out of the synagogue. Yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think they offered God a service. So it was now pretty obvious what the disciples could expect. Once the religious crowd had gotten rid of the Lord Jesus Christ, they would then be coming for his followers. So here's a question I have to ask you. Do you think you could maintain your happiness knowing that you were hated and that you would soon be arrested for what you believed? Because when our Lord said the disciples should have the same joy he was experiencing, it was not a joke. He was not joking. It was in fact a divine promise given by our Lord himself. This joy that he spoke of is also available to you and me this very moment. So let's examine this promise if we can. Whatever this joy or this happiness is, it's something we have with us all the time. It's only in your body to the extent that your soul is in your body. For the happiness that I'm talking about, the joy that I'm talking about is related to your soul, to the mentality of your soul, to the immaterial parts of man, not the physical part. The joy that our Lord Jesus Christ spoke of is a mental attitude. It's in the mentality of your soul. Remember, your soul has mentality, volition, conscious, and self-consciousness. Four things. You can think, you can decide, you can know who you are, and you can have a conscience. And that's your, like your line of defense. Your parents teach you what's right and what's wrong, and your conscience guards you all your life as your guardian. So this, what we're talking about here is the joy that's in the mentality of the soul. And it's best demonstrated by you having contentment and confidence in God's plan. Confidence that you're doing exactly what God asked you to do and the contentment in whatever circumstances you find yourself facing. In the Bible, there are a lot of different Greek words used for the word joy or happiness. Two of them, and particularly, kadra, which is translated joy. In the Greek New Testament, a Koine language, kadra. And then akarios. And that's the word blessed, translated blessed, but it means happiness. So the happiness that serves as a problem solving device, number nine, it's not something emotional. It's not some sort of stimulation. It's not some sort of physical excitement or anticipation. Unfortunately, you know, we carry the entrenched notion that some set of circumstances are something or people going to make us happy. But the happiness that the Lord Jesus Christ taught is not something that's made or manufactured by us. We must never confuse happiness as taught in the Word of God with some sort of stimuli of life which is enjoyable for a moment but has no ability to sustain us day by day living. You know, like your team wins a big game You win the lottery or you win whatever you win, you'll be all happy, all excited about it, but it won't carry you tomorrow. That's not the type of happiness I'm talking about. The happiness provided by God the Holy Spirit, what I'm talking about, is exposed in the canon of Scripture, and it's part of your spiritual life. It has nothing to do with the condition of your body or the details of your life and what you find yourself in, whatever circumstances. Because Satan, you know, I want you to remember this, Satan will always attempt to counterfeit the happiness of God, the happiness that God's provided for you and me, and Satan's going to try to counterfeit that. An example of this counterfeit happiness is seen in Luke 11, 27 through 28. In this particular passage, the Lord Jesus Christ was teaching a class, speaking to a group of people, when a rude woman interrupted a message he was giving to claim that there was great happiness related to motherhood. I have four children, and my wife loves our children. I love my children. But our happiness is not related to the state of having children. Matter of fact, sometimes it's a problem because they bring a lot of burdens and a lot of pain with them as well. But she stood up in the middle of the Lord Jesus Christ's message and shouted these words. I'll quote them. Blessed, and that was the Greek word makarios, that's the word happiness. Happiness is the mother who gave you birth and whose breast that you nursed upon. Well, I guess she thought she was rather smart, that she was going to have some great insight and that happiness should be related to motherhood. However, the Lord Jesus Christ, and I'm sure he wasn't rude with her, but he said, no, you're wrong. He said, makarios, or happiness, belongs to those who hear the word of God and obey it. So the true happiness in your life is not you having children, although you may want to have children. And that's fine, but that's not the source of the happiness that the Lord Jesus Christ is talking about here. It's not the contentment in life that we're talking about. Pseudo-happiness is Satan's attempt to counterfeit the happiness that God has, counterfeit the contentment and the blessing which God provides for every one of us as members of the royal family. That's that phony happiness. As a ruler of this world, Satan will try to keep his constituents happy, and he does so by providing various stimuli, ambition, self-indulgence, which will either counterfeit or cancel out the happiness that God provides for us. It's interesting how Satan does this. He does this by getting us to pursue his lies. You know, like if you win the lottery, you'll be happy. If you get married, you'll be happy. If you get a new car, you'll be happy. If you get a new home, you'll be happy. If you get a new boat, you'll be happy. Those things are nothing more than a mirage because the simple truth is unhappy people take their unhappiness with them wherever they go. I'm going to repeat that. Unhappy people take their unhappiness with them wherever they go. Many commercials you see on television advertising products they want you to buy mean trying to tell you you'll be happy if you buy this product and if you get this product you'll have a lot of happiness. And it may be for the momentary type happiness. But unhappy people can buy whatever they want and they're still going to be unhappy. An unhappy student can change schools and still be unhappy in the new school. An unhappy wife can get a divorce and marry another person, still be unhappy. Because it's not the person, it's us. We're the problem, not someone else. It's weird how a lot of people spend their whole life in a frantic search for happiness, which only leads back to Operation Boomerang, which is you going right back to where you started. You spend money you don't have to buy things you don't need. Unfortunately, you're trying to impress people that you don't even like. What a shame. But there's no reason to ever be unhappy for you or me. Because our Father God has designed a wonderful life for us that offers fulfillment and happiness, the type of life that we are searching for. This life of happiness is found in our relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. So when we acquire the mind of Christ, then we can be happy. You know, the Bible tells us in Philippians 2, 5, let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus. I started this study off by quoting John 15, 11, where Jesus said, my joy, I've told you how to have my joy in you. And it's the same joy he had. That didn't mean he was all happy about going to the cross. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the greatest happiness in the Lord Jesus Christ's life was knowing he was fulfilling his Father's plan. He knew why he came. He knew what was expected of him. And he did it all the way to the cross. So this life of happiness that I'm talking about, it's you thinking like he thought. It's you having the mind of Christ, and that can only come through the filling of the Holy Spirit. If you have unconfessed sin in your life, you will never have this sort of happiness. This happiness is found in your relationship with Christ and acquiring his mindset. It's called divine viewpoint as opposed to human viewpoint. When you have divine viewpoint, then you can think in terms of happiness. You can see how circumstances don't affect your thoughts. It may affect you physically, but not mentally. This happiness is a learned mental attitude. It's not something that you automatically inherited just because you're a Christian. Remember what the Lord Jesus Christ said in John 15, 11. These things I taught you, taught, taught you. They had to learn them. They didn't just inherit them. So without having a biblical inventory of divine viewpoint, you will at best search for happiness all your life and never find it. Or you'll go to Dear Abby and you'll go to whatever details of life you can find, but you'll never find what you're searching for. What you're searching for is in Proverbs 3.13. Here's where you can see God's plan for consistent happiness in your life. Here it is, listen, Proverbs 3.13. Happiness belongs to the man who finds wisdom and the man who gains understanding. Now this is a wonderful thought. Wisdom is a wonderful thing. It includes insight, discernment, and understanding. Again, wisdom includes insight, discernment, and understanding. When you have insight from the scripture, you can discern what's bad or what's good. And you can understand what Satan's game plan is. The Bible teaches us in Ephesians 6, we're to put on the armor of God so we can stand against the strategy of Satan. He has a strategy against you. If you don't understand that strategy, you will fall for it every time, and you will never have the lasting happiness we're talking about, the relaxed mental attitude, the contentment, the capacity for life we're talking about. It only comes by having the mind of Christ and thinking like he thought, and that's called wisdom. One thought you might remember is this. Listen to me very carefully now. Here it is. Blessings come and blessings go, but the source always remains the same. Blessings come and blessings go, but the source always remains the same. Here's the principle, that happiness does not depend on the details of life, but rather the happiness that we're talking about, the true happiness of God, The joy the Lord Jesus Christ talked about comes from having the insight and understanding that you get by learning the scriptures and applying them to the circumstances of your life. Again, what did he say? I taught these to you. And what did he tell the woman? Happiness belongs to those people who hear my Father's word and keep it. If it's there and you don't keep it, you're not going to have this happiness we're talking about. Because blessings come and blessings go. But the source remains the same, and that's God's wonderful grace. The principle of happiness does not depend on the details of life. It doesn't. It depends on you having wisdom, insight, understanding, discernment. And you can only get that when you learn the scriptures and apply them to your life. Listen to Paul's testimony about the details of life being a source of happiness. This is what he thought about it. Philippians 4, 11 through 13. Not that I speak in regards of need, for I have learned, remember the Lord Jesus Christ said, I taught you these things. Here Paul said, I learned in whatever state I am in to be content. There's a secret to happiness, to be content. I know how to have a lot, and I know how to have nothing. Everywhere and in all things I've learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. And then he gave that fantastic passage in Philippians 4.13. I see people have this tattooed on them sometimes. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. What a tremendous verse. So the happiness that we're talking about is you identifying with the Lord Jesus Christ, having divine viewpoint, thinking like he thought. And the only way you can do that is as the Lord Jesus said, I taught you these things. What did he teach him? Well, from John 13 to John 15, he had about a five- or six-hour Bible class, the best I can understand. He spent all that night teaching them what to expect. As a matter of fact, we wrote a book about it called These Things. These Things I Taught You refers to what he taught them that night. So the happiness that he wanted them to have, they had to learn. And that is they had to learn what it means to trust him, to have that wisdom, insight, discernment, and understanding. So Paul said, my happiness is not related to circumstances. It's not related to what I have or don't have because whatever the circumstances are, he said, I have learned how to be content in any circumstance. In all things, whether I'm hungry or whether I have too much, whether I have too little, doesn't make any difference. I wonder if that's your attitude. It's not always my attitude. Sometimes I can be affected by what I don't have or do have. And I know you're the same way. We're not perfect. But we can clearly see in this passage that the relationship with Jesus Christ was the source of Paul's contentment and the source of Paul's confidence in his life. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. In our next radio show, we'll deal with problem-solving device number 10, which is occupation with Christ. And that clearly says it. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. You can be happy. You can have a wonderful life. You don't have to be full of self-pity or sorrow when you think like the Lord Jesus Christ thought. If you are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, and I trust you are, if you're not, it's the most terrible thing you can be to go through life not knowing the Lord Jesus Christ, not knowing whether or not you're going to heaven, because the Bible says these things are written so that you may know that you have eternal life. You can know it for sure. How do you do that? By believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. You remember that verse in John 3, 16? So that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. The happiness I'm talking to you about comes through a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. If you haven't accepted him as your savior, it's not possible for you to have this happiness because this happiness comes through the filling of the Holy Spirit. It comes through the dynamics of the scripture in your soul and in the content of your life. mentality of your soul. And it all starts with your relationship with Christ, stepping into God's royal family and using the assets that God's given you. So if you're experiencing difficulties, and this is a warning to you now, by the way, I want you to listen carefully. If you're experiencing difficulties, if you're experiencing disaster over and over and over, and you are in fact a Christian, you have accepted Christ as your Savior, Could it be that God is actually disciplining you for your lifestyle? Could that be the problem? You see, divine discipline is designed to make you uncomfortable. Did you know that? If you're not comfortable, maybe this is why. Maybe God's got the hammer down in your life. Hebrews 12, 5 and 6 says, My son, do not despise the chasing of the Lord, and don't be discouraged when you're rebuked by him. For those the Lord loves, he chastens, or this means he disciplines, and he scourges every son that he receives. Sometimes it's harsh discipline. Warning discipline is when God gently nudges you and says, you're out of line. Stop doing that. You're out of line. Stop it. And intense discipline is when you don't listen and you're so arrogant you won't pay attention. Then the pain comes in. Pain has a way of getting our attention, doesn't it? Those the Lord loves, he disciplines and brings pain into every son whom he receives. You're going to go through discipline in your life if you reject the plan of God. If you're a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and you're having all sorts of trouble, all sorts of trials, everything's going wrong and you're miserable, start with going to the Lord and dealing with your sin because your suffering could be divine discipline. That could be specifically designed to break your arrogance and humble you if that's the case. And if it is, then it's time for you to rebound. It's time for you to get back in fellowship with God. And you do that by confessing your sin. You say, well, I don't even know what sin I committed. Listen, the Holy Spirit will let you know what you've done. If you go to God in prayer and just ask him, Father, what in my life is not pleasing to you? He'll show you. He'll let you know. And remember the verse says, if we confess our sin, he's faithful and just to forgive us and even cleanse us from all unrighteousness, even things you might not remember. He will do that for you. so if you have been under divine discipline the whole idea by god the father was to humble you to break your arrogance in time for you to confess your sin to god once you rebound once you recover from your sin then your suffering can be turned to blessing and you know the pain might still be there but now instead of discipline That pain is designed for blessing because you've been restored back into fellowship. You've recovered the filling of the Holy Spirit. You move back into your spiritual life where you're supposed to be and you're no longer carnal or out of fellowship. These are all reasons for you to rejoice and be happy. Remember 1 Corinthians 11 31 says this, if we would judge ourselves, we would not have to be judged. So God intends for you to keep short account of your sin. If you rebound and there's still suffering in your life after you rebound, after you confess your sin, then it's obvious that suffering is now designed for blessing. Therefore, it becomes bearable rather than unbearable. It is the modus operandi of the spiritual life that converts unbearable into bearable suffering. And that's how we do it. So you may go through suffering. If you're in fellowship, it's all designed to cause you to grow. If you're in fellowship, it's like James said, think it not strange these things that have happened to you. It happens to everybody. God won't put you under more pressure than you can stand. The Bible teaches us that. So it's all designed for your growth. It's all designed to teach you to trust him and not step outside of fellowship with God. So you can have this happiness of the Lord Jesus Christ. God's happiness, this joy that the Lord Jesus Christ was talking about, is available to you through the filling of the holy spirit and through the accumulation of the mind of christ that's bible doctrine in your soul in your mentality in your conscience thinking like he thought living like he lived and being the type of person that represents jesus christ your friends your neighbors your community your family That's why you're still here. I mean, God left you here for a reason. That reason is to glorify him by representing the Lord Jesus Christ. Think about that for a minute. Do you do that in your life? Do you represent Christ? By the way you think? Do you represent Christ by the way you live? Do people see the Lord Jesus Christ in you? Because they're supposed to. They're supposed to see that Christ-like character in your life. And it only comes through the filling of the Holy Spirit and through the resonance of God's word and the mentality of your soul so that you think like he thought. And you have this constant joy, this constant happiness, this constant contentment This constant relaxed mental attitude that will blow people away when they see you going through things and you're not worried, you're not afraid, you're not crying, you're not angry. They want to know what's causing that. And that's your spiritual life. Your spiritual life is the key to having this sort of happiness. Gee, I hope you've listened this morning. I hope I've been able to clear some things up for you on sharing the happiness of God. I will be back next week if the Lord allows it. Same time, same station. And I hope you'll join us for that time. Until then, this is your host, Rick Hughes, saying thank you so very much for listening to The Flatline.
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In this enriching episode, Dr. James Merritt discusses his latest book, 'The God Who Hears,' and shares his remarkable journey of faith. Angie Austin explores Dr. Merritt's experiences, from his southern roots to his influential role in the Southern Baptist Convention. They delve into the importance of prayer, gratitude, and the societal challenges of modern life, offering listeners a profound understanding of how faith can impact daily living.
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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here's Angie.
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Hey there, friend. Angie Austin here with The Good News. We are pleased to welcome Dr. James Merritt. You may have seen him on TV. I've watched some of his sermons. And he's here to talk about his book, The God Who Hears. Welcome, Dr. Merritt.
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Angie, thank you for having me on the program. I hope things are doing well in Austin, Texas.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, where are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
I'm in Atlanta, Georgia.
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Oh, I used to live in Roswell. I'm based in Denver now, but Austin's my last name, though. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Oh, no worries.
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In fact, I was just out in Colorado Springs last week. Beautiful country out there, and I know where Roswell is, so come on back.
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You know, they talk about where you live and the South being the Bible Belt, but I think Colorado Springs is the buckle.
SPEAKER 05 :
It may be. That's exactly right. It's a beautiful place.
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It sure is. All right, so give us an overview of the God who hears.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Angie, this actually came out of a series of messages I've never done before, actually, on what I call Paul's prison prayers. He prayed four prayers all while he was in prison. They're found in Philippians, Colossians, and Ephesians. And I just did a series of messages on them, and my publisher just picked up the idea and said, hey, why don't we do a devotional on prayer based around those prayers, which is what really the book is all about. And it's really going back to actual prayers that probably the greatest Christian, not counting Jesus, of course, ever lived, actually prayed, not in good times, but in difficult times. And so that's really kind of what the book is all about.
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I think sometimes people think that prayer is kind of like one and done. I've got three teenagers in high school, and one of them was like, well, I prayed in math class, and God didn't answer or didn't help me at all. I'm like, well, it's kind of a process, I believe, in that we have a hand in doing the legwork in order to help get those prayers answered. I wonder why people think it's like a genie in a bottle.
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Well, you know what? As part of that cultural, I think we live in an instant society. As you know, we want everything. We want everything now. Number one, number two, I've been asked that question and are told that many times in my ministry. And I remind people, Angie, we forget no is an answer. We don't like that. God's answer is no. But sometimes God answer is yes, but not now. You see, we're concerned about time. God's not concerned with time. He created time. God's concerned with timing. He's never early. He's never late. He's right on time. And that's why Jesus said, when he said, ask and it will be given to you. Seek and you'll find. Knock and the door will be opened. All three of those verbs are in the present tense of the Greek language. In other words, what he said was continually ask, continually seek, continually knock. So I tell people this. Don't ever give up on the God who never gives up on you.
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I love that. Well, you're obviously a very effective and articulate speaker. So I want to know a little bit more about you. I watched a couple of your sermons with my mom. We take care of grand-grand. And a grand-grand lived down there in Roswell for quite a while. So I understand that you're a past president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Tell us a little bit more about you because you've got quite, you know, you've done a lot of interviews, 60 Minutes, MSNBC. So it's kind of cool we got you on the show. So I want to talk about the book more, but so people understand who you are, give us kind of, you know, the elevator speech.
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Well, I'll be honest. It might be a letdown because I'm just a country boy from a little town outside of Atlanta called Oakwood, Georgia. I tell people, if you remember Andy Griffith, Oakwood would make Mayberry look like New York City.
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Hilarious.
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I grew up in the country. I know what it is to work in a garden. I mean, I did all of that. And God, you know, I'm the first person in my family that ever went to college. I was going to be a lawyer, but my senior year in college, God called me into the ministry. Went to seminary, got an MDiv, got a PhD, got married to the greatest woman in the world. And I guess the best thing that God's done for me, Angie, is I've never forgotten where I'm from. I've never forgotten my roots. In fact, I have just moved back, believe it or not, to a house six minutes from where I grew up.
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Oh, cool.
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And so, you know, I just cut my feet grounded in whatever God has done in me. I tell people this all the time. The only thing good about me is that Jesus lives in me.
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I love that. You know, when I lived in the South, the thing that cracked me up that's so different than any other part of the country, which you may not realize, I would go to the grocery store and you could barely get through the aisles because people would stop and just like talk, like talk, like chit chat. How's Bobby? You know, oh, he's Billy Lee back in school or whatever. And I was like, what? on earth is going on? Why are people just standing in aisles? People would go to the taxidermy shop or the barber shop and they would go there for an hour to talk.
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You know what's amazing?
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They don't do that other places. I've lived all over the country. It's only the South. I swear to you, it's only the South.
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And the good thing about it, even though we're more cosmopolitan, obviously, than we were 50 years ago, but I'm telling you, people that come here, visit here, move here from other places, there is still Southern hospitality.
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Oh, totally.
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People are still like that. You drive down the road. I live on a street, a busy street. I don't know 95% of the people that live in my neighborhood, but everybody waves at everybody. Everybody will stop and talk about it. It's just a great place to live. It really is.
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I love that. And, you know, so many times my girls and I laugh, like, you know, I've got teenage, beautiful, blonde daughters, you know, and I cannot tell you how many times we've had a door dropped in our faces where the other day it hit Faith's foot and Hope was like, wow, that wasn't very gentlemanly. If you're in the South, no man is dropping the door in your face when he's walking out before you.
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No, ma'am. No, ma'am. To this day, my dad would come back from the grave and whip me if I did that.
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And having lived in the South, I just love those manners. Okay, so now we know a little bit about Dr. James Merritt. Let's get a little more detail on your book, The God Who Hears. What are some things you want us to know that we take away from the interview today?
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Well, the biggest thing is just really the title of the book. There's a great verse of scripture that says, Oh, you who hears prayer to all flesh, all flesh will come. And just think that just listen to those three words. God hears prayers. What an amazing statement that the God who runs the universe on a daily basis and the God who spoke it into existence. Every time a follower of Jesus opens his mouth in sincerity and purity, God gives him his undivided attention. God hears every word that he says, and God will answer his prayer. Sometimes it will be yes. Sometimes it will be no. Sometimes it will be different. Sometimes it will be delayed, but God hears and answers prayer. And if that alone does not motivate people to take time out of their schedule and pray, I don't know what will. The second thing that I want people to get out of the book is this, and this really is to me the secret sauce. If we've got to get out of this idea that prayer is primarily to get something from God, that is not the primary purpose. The primary purpose is to give something to God, to give him praise and worship and thanksgiving. And the reason I know that is because, you know, when Jesus said, don't pray like the pagans do. You don't have to repeat things over and over and over. You don't have to, you know, use these little, you know, God bless me, help me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because God already knows what you need. Well, some people say, well, wait a minute. If God already knows what I need, why should I pray? Well, there's two reasons. Number one, God commands us to pray, so that's all you need to know. But number two, that tells me something. If I will make my prayers, first, God-focused, and then if I will make my prayers, secondly, others-focused, God will take care of my needs.
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Now, what do you think, and I love what you said, and I know it's going to stick with me about how no is an answer to prayer, whether we like it or not. Why do you think that what we believe about prayer also reveals what we believe about God? Because when I read that statement, I was a little like, oh, it made me kind of feel sad, because prayer should be not just asking, it should be about like, communing with the Lord, praising the Lord, developing your relationship with the Lord. And so I don't know that I always go into prayer with the intention. Like, I don't know, it makes me sad that it reveals what we believe about God because it gives me kind of a kick in the pants.
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Yeah, great example. If the President of the United States, if his office called you today, forget who the President is, by the way, but if the President of the United States called you today, And they said to you, listen, the president would love to meet with you privately in the Oval Office tomorrow. We're going to be sending a jet down to Atlanta. You just need to be at the airport at such and such a time. The jet will fly you to the White House, fly you back. You're going to have an hour with the president. If you hung up and you said to yourself, I'm not buying that, I don't believe that, and you don't show up at the airport, they fly down there, you're not there, and you don't miss it. What was the problem? The problem was not that you didn't believe in the airplane. The problem was not that you didn't believe that you got the phone call. The problem is you don't believe the president keeps his word. And so if God says, I do hear prayer, and if God says, I will answer prayer, and then you refuse to pray, what you're really saying, to be honest, is, God, I just don't believe you mean what you say.
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Yeah, yeah. All right, so some people, you know, have difficulty with prayer or they get distracted. What advice do you give to someone who's in a situation where, whether it's a trial, you know, something going on with, you know, a medical issue, whatever it may be, and they're just not sure exactly what to do. Like, I don't know what to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, yeah. Great question. In fact, I'm going to make it even broader. My answer is going to be even broader. First of all, the best way to get into prayer in any situation, whether things are good or bad, doesn't matter. The best way to get into prayer is always praise and thanksgiving. The psalmist said, enter his gates with praise and into his courts with thanksgiving. I have found every morning when I spend my first part of my praying, I don't ask for things. I need this, need that. I want to praise you. I want to thank you. And so in the difficult times, what does the Word of God say? In all things give thanks, for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus. Not for all things. Angie, but in all things. So even in the midst of a crisis, you say, boy, things are bad. Yes, but God is good. Yeah, but you know, things are not going my way. That's okay. The things are going to go his way. So you can always be praiseful. You can always be thankful. And it's amazing that when you do that, it really does put you in the mood to really pray.
SPEAKER 03 :
I like that. You do encourage people to give thanks, as you just mentioned, in every situation. Obviously, for a lot of people, it's hard to do. A lot of people are just not really thankful people. But as Christians, obviously, we're called to be. So how do we adopt that practice?
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You know what? The answer may surprise those who are listening. Go to the cross. If I were to say to someone, are you thankful for the cross? Are you thankful that Jesus suffered, bled, and died on it? Well, sure I am. Yeah, I'm thankful. Okay. Well, if you can be thankful for the worst thing that's ever happened on this planet, for the worst evil and sin that was ever committed, deicide, literally, we killed the Son of God. If you can be thankful for that and in that, there's nothing you're going through you cannot be thankful in and thankful with.
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Now, do you think – all right, I'm going to ask you two things because I want to tell you why I believe in God's power because I'm going to say a lot of us do underestimate God's power, but I think some of us have had experiences where we know for sure that he's real. But I just want to ask you, normally I spend about 15 minutes with my guests, but I have another 15 minutes. If you can stick around, I'd love to continue our conversation. Sure. Okay, great. Before we go to break, in case people do need to leave, Dr. Merritt, Dr. James Merritt, where can people find your book, The God Who Hears, and find you and listen to your sermons? I just Googled you and found your sermons.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, great. Well, you can go to touchinglives.org. That's touchinglives.org. That's the name of our ministry. We're on TBN across the nation every Sunday morning at 830. They can get my book at our website or Amazon or any other website that sells books. They can go to any of those websites and pick it up.
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Now, we're going to come back and we're going to continue talking with Dr. James Merritt about the book, The God Who Hears. And I just want to discuss, I've had many anchormen in my career working on TV in Los Angeles and Denver, Santa Barbara, San Diego, around the country doing news, Denver. And I had one that I knew didn't believe in God that asked me why I did. And then I explained this situation to him, which was kind of going out on a limb with this particular guy while we were sitting on the set at work. So we'll talk about that when we come back and continue talking with Dr. James Merritt about the God who hears. We'll be right back with the good news.
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If you are just joining us, we are speaking with Dr. James Merritt about his book, The God Who Hears. He's down there in Atlanta, Georgia. And he is a pastor, author, past president of the Southern Baptist Convention. He's the host of Touching Lives. You can Google him and find some of his sermons that way. And he's been on numerous TV shows. He's been interviewed by 60 Minutes, Fox News, Time. And he is here with us on The Good News. Welcome back, Dr. Merritt.
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Good to be with you, Angie. Thank you for letting me be on there.
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Okay, so we're talking about prayer, and I was talking about how people underestimate the power of prayer. People always knew when I worked in news that I was a Christian. I never hid that, but you can't necessarily openly talk about Jesus, and I'd always wear a cross until one of my bosses in L.A. said I couldn't wear my crucifix anymore. It wasn't a crucifix, but... I guess you didn't know the difference per se. And I remember my assistant news director, I was getting ready. I went to Bel Air for a church at Bel Air Presbyterian Church on my way home. So that's like one of the greatest. That was Ronald Reagan's church, in fact. So I loved that church. It was. Yeah, I loved it. So I was on my way there. My news director said, assistant news director said, I didn't even know people went to church anymore. And, you know, this is probably 15, 20 years ago. And so but it was, you know, everyone knew I was a Christian and people would then when they had problems or issues come to the makeup room. You know, like, I mean, we got up at 2.45 in the morning, so it's very early. They'd come in there while I was doing my makeup and talk to me about, you know, death of a family member or sick or going through a problem or whatever. So it was kind of like where I'd minister to people. Well, I'm sitting on the set one time, and one of the anchormen had said to me, like, I had a hard time with, really hard time with stories about news stories about children and you know being harmed and it really got to my heart and I'd get upset and I remember crying once in one of our news meetings and they kind of joked around they go well one of us still has a heart so I asked this anchorman does some of these stories get to you we were in the break and he said nothing gets to me anymore and then he said you know why I know you have really strong faith like why do you believe in God And I think back, I didn't have a great childhood. One of my brothers was murdered, and after he was murdered, I remember, thank you, I remember talking, I don't know, just feeling upset, this, that, and the other. And I remember looking out at the sand. At the time, I'd really gotten out of my, I educated myself out of poverty, so I lived in a penthouse in Marina Del Rey on the beach. The only thing I could see was the ocean and the beach, and no one was out. There was very stormy. And my brother who'd been killed, he had done this painting where It's like that when people talk about the two sets of footsteps and then you only see one and that's when Jesus carried you through the turmoil. And so I'm watching this guy walking away and it was just weird. It looked like that Jesus painting, you know, and nobody's on the beach because it was so windy and it was just yucky. And then the sun just came out of nowhere and it was shining right on this guy that to me looked like that Jesus painting that my brother had done. And it was so dark and the clouds were so dark. And it was just this light that just slammed onto this man that looked like Jesus. And I experienced that peace that surpasses all understanding. And I just started sobbing. And it was like that experience where I've had about two or three times where where it was not even a question to me that the Lord was real. Another time I was on the highway in Los Angeles, and there were all these accidents, and I'd gotten out of my car, and the CHP officer was right next to me, and a truck slammed into a Good Samaritan's car who'd gotten out to help us. And within literally that time, truck hit my car and I was pinned against the retaining wall and I should have been crushed, but I could feel the car on me, but it stopped. And the CHP officer, he said, Angie, I ran into him later. He pulled me over for speeding like a month later in in LA, like, I mean, are you kidding me? Like one CHP officer in all of Los Angeles pulls me over and he goes, are you Angie Austin from NBC? And I was like, yeah, he goes, I was at that accident. He goes, when that car came to, or that truck and that car, when that crash happened, he said, that came so close to me. It hit my service revolver. And he said, and it just like whizzed past me. He goes, I can't believe we survived. And that was another time as I was up against that retaining wall and that car stopped and I was not smashed. I felt the peace that surpasses all understanding. And I felt the presence of the Lord. And when you feel that. Like my friend lost her son. He was a Marine and he, you know, he died. He was 19. She felt it. So she wrote a book and she's like, I want people to know that when you know he's real, you know he's real. But people who don't know the Lord, they're like, well, what do you mean, Angie? So I told him and we were on set in a commercial break. So there was only so much I could get in there. But I kind of went out on a limb and told him. And he just kind of took it in. You know, he just couldn't believe that. Like, I don't know that I believed in God. So I wanted him to know why.
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Right, exactly, exactly. Well, you know, what I ask people, in fact, amazingly, I just spent three hours this past Sunday witnessing to a young man who's coming out of atheism. He's not yet a believer, but he is coming out of atheism. And what I usually find is very helpful sometimes is I will ask people the question, Well, before we talk about why I believe in God, tell me why you don't. Oh, that's good. Because oftentimes, Angie, when you find out the God they describe, that's not the God we believe in either. So they say, well, I just don't believe in a God that doesn't care about babies dying or whatever. And I say, well, I don't believe in that God either. And so you'll find out so many times the God that they don't believe in is a caricature of the God that we do believe in. And so that's kind of where I always start with people. And then the second thing I'll always say is that when people say, you know, I don't believe in God, I ask the question now, are you telling me you know there is no God or you don't know whether there is or not? And usually they will say, well, you know, nobody knows for sure. I don't know there's not us. Well, now we're getting somewhere. You're an agnostic. And then I'll always say this. Now, are you an honest agnostic or a dishonest agnostic? What do you mean? Well, an honest agnostic says, I don't know whether there's a God or not, but I'm willing to find out. A dishonest agnostic says, I don't know whether there's a God or not, and I don't want to know. Where are you? Because if they say, I don't want to know, then the conversation is over. Right. I can't do it. But if they say, no, I want to know, well, then you're off to the races.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yes, exactly. And so in this, you said three hours. Did you say you spoke with him? How did that go?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you know what's amazing? Here was the one thing he couldn't get past. He could not get past the Trinity. He believes in God. That is what we would call God the Father. But he just cannot get over the Trinitarian God that we believe in, that he's one God in three persons. And so anyway, long story short, I took him through all of these scriptures where Jesus is called God. First of all, he declared he was God. He accepted worship. But his own brother, you know, his own disciple Peter in 2 Peter 1, 1 refers to him as our God and Savior. Timothy, Paul does the same thing in Timothy. As you well know, Thomas, the doubting disciple, called him my Lord and my God. And he could not deny that. He couldn't really disbelieve it. He just could not grasp it and get over it. But where we left it was he is reading the Gospel of John, a chapter a day. He's investigating who Jesus is. He wants to meet with me again. So I really believe, hopefully and prayerfully, he's going to come to faith.
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I'm excited. I would love to have you come back after that and see how that goes. I don't know. What a cool calling. I want to ask you, if you're just joining us, Dr. James Merritt is talking to us about the God who hears. I want to ask you about... A lot of people don't feel that God hears or they feel silence in their prayer life. The only way that I am able to really focus well enough to hear prayers is when I'm journaling. That works for me because I can kind of quiet my mind. And when I reread it, I feel like things are written in a way that isn't my terminology. And I'll read something back and I'm like, that's not how I would say that. And I really do feel like moved by the power of God when I'm journaling. But when I'm just sitting there, you know, I've got friends who are just prayer warriors that they talk to me every day about, you know, well, you know, one of them just moved to Georgia, in fact. And I'm like, you're moving again? And she's like, well, I just feel called to work for this ministry down in Georgia. And I just feel the Lord, that's where the Lord wants me right now. And she's moved like five times since her husband passed away, working for these different ministries. And I'm like, I've never heard God say, well, now get a U-Haul. you know, and get everything packed up. I should sell the couch. You know, I mean, she gets like, I feel like very specific answers. So what do you tell people who feel like silence from God in their prayer life?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, first of all, there's a word that I caution people about using, and too much especially, and that's the word feelings. First, we don't even live our life, a lot of our life, based on feelings. I mean, I've been married 48 years. Do I feel at times that Teresa loves me more than other times? Yes. But it doesn't mean that she loves me any more or less. it just means that's the way i feel number two god does not deal with us based on feelings god deals with us based on fact number three god does speak to us every day but it's not the way we would want him to no he doesn't speak out loud he speaks louder than that he speaks in his word and if you're if you're really truly reading the word of god under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you will rarely ever go a day that you don't read your Bible. You do not hear God speak. The last thing I would say is I really caution people. I never say God told me. Anything. What I do say is I feel impressed. I felt impressed by the Lord. Or I feel like that God in my heart spoke to me and I felt led to do something. The last thing I would say is, is that, you know, I told somebody this the other day. I think there are times in our lives when we have options and we have and we do. And I think that whatever option we choose at the end of the day, you're not going to fool God. He already knows which one you're going to choose anyway. And I think sometimes we sweat and fret, well, should I go to Georgia or should I go to Florida? Should I go to the University of Maine or the University of Connecticut? Well, at the end of the day, all other things are equal, and they both have excellent programs in what you want to major in. And if you're going there to serve the Lord, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, I really want to go to blank. Okay, God will honor that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 03 :
What do you think? We've got about three minutes left. This might be a big question to ask you. But, you know, our society right now, it's so complicated. And there's a lot of, you know, when you throw in politics and other things, religion, etc. Why do you think or what do you think of our society in terms of? rejecting authority and maybe being headed for trouble. Like, I know it's kind of a broad question, but I feel like there's a lot going on right now. And it bums me out when people hate each other over something. So like, unfriend me if you believe in this politics wise, like family members, you know, writing off other family members. Like, I would never reject someone for their political views unless they were a Nazi or something. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to get rid of a family member because they believe they're a Democrat or I'm a Republican or vice versa. I wouldn't just... But people are doing that left and right now, and I don't remember that when I was younger, that happening to this degree.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Well, the simple answer is what Abraham Lincoln said, and that is we have forgotten God. When you are not right vertically, how can you expect to be right horizontally? And while I'm in the neighborhood, let me just jump on one thing. I don't understand it. I told our church this Sunday, you know, people say, I just can't believe the way these students have been protesting and the way they've been acting and the anti-Semitism. And people who go to college and you think are educated and intelligent, I just can't believe it. And I say, I don't even understand why you're surprised. If you don't understand that in the last 50 or 60 years, we have been in overdrive of getting rid of God everywhere we can, in the government, in the school. We've done everything we can to destroy the nuclear family, to destroy the unit that God said is the foundation of civilization, which is a mom and a dad and kids. When you put those things together and then you have, even in homes that have parents, absentee parents who have advocated both their spiritual responsibility to lead their children to come to know God and their moral responsibility to discipline and correct them when they're wrong, what else can you expect? So what I think you're seeing, for example, at a Columbia University or whatever, we are reaping what we have sown, plain and simple. We've sown the wind. Now we're reaping the whirlwind.
SPEAKER 03 :
You're such a great speaker. I love having you on. Dr. James Merritt, give us your website again, and the book is The God Who Hears.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, touchinglives.org. That's touchinglives.org. You can watch us every Sunday morning, 830 Eastern Time on T the Trinity Broadcasting Network. You get my book on our website. Go to Amazon, any places that sell books, it's available.
SPEAKER 03 :
Excellent. Thank you, Dr. James Barrett. Thank you, Angie. God bless you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
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And welcome to hour number three. It's time for our Monday Mortgage Minute with Kurt Rogers of Affordable Interest Mortgage. Kurt, how was your weekend? Did you get drafted? How was your 40 time? I didn't get drafted. I went past the fifth round. You went past the fifth round. Oh, you and Shadur. I'm sorry, man. Well, at least you guys got a lot to talk about. That's good. Hey, Kurt, you have talked in the past about buy downs when you're purchasing a home, either a two-to-one, three-to-one. Can you explain this to people and why it's such a great opportunity?
SPEAKER 20 :
I don't think a lot of people know about them or they think that they're arms. The purpose of a buy-down, years ago a buy-down wasn't available because what it is is the loan actually got purchased down to a lower rate for the first two or three years. Well, when rates are 3%, you're not going to drop them 2% or 3% and have no interest rate. So the lenders don't offer that. It's when rates are where they are now. What makes them so attractive is if you're waiting to buy a home, let's say for a year, because you want rates in the fives, maybe mid-five, 5.75, you can actually get that rate now and not basically pay for it. There's homes on the market. Sellers are negotiating on that. Over 67% of the homes are negotiating down. So that gives you the opportunity to get the seller to pay for the buy-down. And the way it works is you don't have to put a lot of money down. You can buy a $600,000 house, put 5% down, own the house, and the payment the first year, it might be $2,800, but the first year it's going to drop by $750,000. So you get to save $750,000 or roughly $9,000 in payment the first year. You're still qualifying at the higher rate of $6,500, but you've got a real rate of $4,500. If you do a 3-2-1 buy-down, that interest rate goes down to 3.5%. So you're able to take advantage of those rates now. Understanding that, here comes the best part of this 2-1-3-2-1 buy-down. At the end of the first year, you can take the money that's still sitting in the account for the buy-down and use that to refinance and get a fixed rate at maybe 5%.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, okay, so if you're thinking, man, if I do this, I'm going to lose getting a fixed rate, that's not true.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because a lot of people, they want that fixed long-term low rate.
SPEAKER 20 :
You don't have to pay for the refinance. The refinance is built into the money that is set aside for the buy-down. If you don't use it all, you use it for a refinance. So you get a rate now of 4.5, and then a year from now, you go to 5.5, and you're locked in. But you've got today's housing price. You've got sellers that are more negotiable.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's a great opportunity. Exactly, because when rates do go down, what's going to happen to the prices of houses? They're going to go up. So if right now you can get the houses that are at a lower price, you grab the house, you get it at this rate, you do the 3-2-1 buy-down, and then you lock in and you get a lower rate later.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, you look at a rate right now on a 5% down and maybe 6.625 with an APR of 6.385. Okay. So you're not paying any money to bring it in. The seller's paying the money. You've got the advantage of taking the rate now and having them pay for you to refinance it to get a firm rate lower later.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, then that's happening at a pretty good time because right now, let's face it, the sun is out, spring is here, it's home buying time. So right now at home buying time, because a lot of people I think are really worried, Kurt, because home buying time is hitting at a time with high rates and they're thinking there's no way to get around the system. You just gave them a way around the system. I love it.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, I have quite a few customers that I've got free approvals on that I've given them this kind of loan, and it works out just marvelous for them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Awesome. All right, Haystack Help Radio tomorrow from noon to 1. What are we covering this week?
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We're going to be talking about all the advantages and how to get the best rate and the lowest price when you're doing purchases or refinance and how to improve your credit score.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush on the line right now. We've got Jersey Joe. Hey, Joey, how you doing? Andy, I'm doing okay. How you doing? Doing all right, doing all right. I have the worst accent ever, but you know what? I enjoy doing it, and that's what really matters. That's all I can say. All the people pointing and laughing, they're my friends.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, by the way, I've got a couple of trivia since you just did the NFL drafts. I've got two trivia questions, one of which is a sports trivia, but you've got to answer it within 10 seconds. Okay. Now, most NFL teams in their team name either have a city or a state. There's two NFL teams that have a team name that's not associated with a specific state or city. What are those two NFL teams? You've got 10 seconds.
SPEAKER 10 :
The Commanders?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, Washington Commanders. That's a city.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Not associated with a specific city or state.
SPEAKER 10 :
I've not really thought about this. I don't know.
SPEAKER 06 :
New England Patriots. Oh, okay. Very good. And the Carolina Panthers because they don't specify North Carolina or South Carolina.
SPEAKER 10 :
North or South. Okay, that's good. That's good.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, so there's two NFL teams. By the way, can you name the two teams that are associated with states and not cities?
SPEAKER 10 :
With states and not cities. Arizona.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, I'm just thinking, kind of wheeling through them really quick here. I know it's not Green Bay because that's not even a city. Minnesota.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep, Minnesota and Arizona. So you've got two that are associated with states, not cities. and two that are associated with neither a state or a city. Interesting. Interesting. All right. Okay. Now I've got an agricultural thing. New England.
SPEAKER 10 :
I wonder, really quick here, New England, how'd they come up with that? It beats the hell out of me. I mean, it's a Boston team, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it is. But you look at the New York Giants have been playing in the New Jersey Meadowlands Stadium for going on close to 30 years now, but they're still the New York football Giants. Yet they haven't set foot in New York City. In 30 years. I like that. Okay. All right, Joe, go ahead. Here's another trivia for you and your listeners. What is the most consumed fruit in the United States in all of its forms? And by all of its forms, I mean if we said oranges, that would include oranges, orange juice, orange marmalade, you know, in all of its forms. But it's not oranges. And it's not oranges. So what is the most consumed fruit in the United States?
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Is a tomato a fruit?
SPEAKER 06 :
It is the tomato, which is a fruit.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, I took a shot. I just took a shot.
SPEAKER 06 :
The tomato is the most consumed fruit. You've got tomato, spaghetti sauce, ketchup, you know, tomato soup, you name it. Tomato is the most consumed fruit in the United States.
SPEAKER 10 :
Now, that was like sinking a 90-foot putt, just so you know. You've got to be pretty impressed there.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I'm impressed, Andy. Yes. I took a shot. Most people don't know that the tomato is a fruit. The seeds are in the inside. Anyway. Okay. I nailed it. Go ahead. You nailed it. By the way, in the first hour, you talked very briefly about the judge in Wisconsin who's been arrested. And I want to go back and dig into it. But I want to preface that with my quote of the week because there's so much misinformation being promulgated on these liberal websites about, you know, why she shouldn't have been arrested. And this is anonymous information. and here's the quote, it says, it's incredible that so many people require so little proof to believe a lie, yet they require endless proof to the contrary, still won't get them to change their mind. Some of these will put up this meme about, well, the ICE agents didn't have the right kind of warrant, and people automatically, no fact-checking, believe it, defend it, and then you give them proof after proof after proof, they, you know, You can quote the U.S. Code of Justice. They still won't believe it. Mark Twain once said, it's far easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled. And that's what I'm seeing. And by the way, these liberal sites, particularly on Facebook, there's five or six of them, have mastered the art of telling the lie. Now, what are some of the lies they've been telling? The ICE agents didn't have the right kind of warrant. Well, Guess what? They did have a warrant, and it was what's known as administrative warrant. They're saying, well, it wasn't a judicial warrant. It was no good. Well, most people, here's a fine point. The only difference between a judicial warrant and an administrative warrant is that a judicial warrant gives a law enforcement officer the right to enter private property, like your home or an apartment, if they have a reasonable belief that the person they're looking for is in that home or apartment. Administrative warrant doesn't give you that same right of entry. What does it give you? Well, they were in a public place. They were in the hallway of the courtroom. Right. The courthouse, rather. The courthouse is a public facility, and the hallway is open to the public. They were waiting in the hall. And by the way, the judge had come out because when they got there, the ICE agents and an FBI agent identified themselves to one of the deputies. and said, you know, we're here to take so-and-so into custody who was there for a hearing in front of this judge on domestic violence. He had beat up two women. And they were there waiting to testify against him. So the deputy goes in and gets the judge. The judge comes out. She tries to tear them. And they're, well, you need to go see the chief judge, blah, blah, blah. You can't come into my courtroom. They never set foot in her courtroom, by the way. And she said, where's your warrant? And they showed him a warrant. But they didn't need a warrant because they also had a two-year-old signed deportation order which authorized his arrest. He was basically a fugitive from justice. But to put icing on the cake, they also had an administrative arrest warrant, which was more than adequate to an effect and arrest in a public building because they weren't trying to go into anybody's home. So the judge says, well, you need to wait outside my courtroom. She does have jurisdiction over her courtroom. She can decide who can and can't be in her courtroom. Well, so... They're waiting out in the hallway, which is the one and only public entrance and exit to her hallway. And then if you read the 11-page complaint, which you'll be able to find on my Jersey Joe website, you'll see where the agents detail the fact because the prosecuting attorney, the district attorney, was in the courtroom because they were prosecuting him for this domestic violence. Right. And according to that affidavit, in the middle of his hearing, the judge motioned to his attorney – to come forward, only him, which is known as ex parte, during any sort of a trial or hearing, you're not permitted to speak to only one attorney. And then after she spoke to the attorney, she stepped down from the bench. And the minute, by the way, the minute she stepped down from behind her bench, she was no longer acting in her capacity as a judge. Right. And so his attorney motions his client to come forward into the end where he sits in the jury box and they chat a little bit more. And then the judge, who is no longer behind her bench, motions to this guy to follow me, and she personally leads him out through that jury door into a non-public hallway, where he then proceeded to exit the building through a locked fire door.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, she was smuggling him out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Now, there's a concept in, well, she had every right to do it. No. There's a concept in the law. You ever heard the term mens rea?
SPEAKER 10 :
I've heard it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Go ahead. It's Latin for criminal mind. In other words, let's say, you know, we're doing so we're playing basketball and I pivot and I hit you in the mouth with my elbow. I had no criminal intent. So you can't file charges against me for assault if it was accidentally. But if we're doing something and you're trying to, you know, you're grabbing me from behind and I intentionally take my elbow and hit you in the mouth of my elbow. with the intent to hurt you. I have a guilty mind. I have intent. Well, this judge clearly had intent to break the law. Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Obviously, she was trying to smuggle this bad guy, this illegal immigrant, out so ICE wouldn't get him. I mean, this is case closed. This is obvious.
SPEAKER 06 :
She knew she was a wanted man because she asked to see the warrant, and they showed her the warrant. Here's the warrant. Here's the signed deportation order. So she clearly knew this guy was a fugitive from justice. So when she stepped down from behind that bench, she clearly – now, I don't think she'll ever spend a day in jail, but I'll be happy. She needs to. Well, she needs to, but I'll be happy if she simply gets disbarred and never serves another day as a judge or an attorney in this country.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, how could she do it again? How could she serve as a judge now when everybody knows what she did? OK, how can anybody coming into that courtroom look at her and say, oh, yeah, you can rule fairly on our our criminal proceedings here? How can they do that when she did a criminal act like that right there in the classroom? All because of her activism. I mean, come on. There's no way you can take her seriously.
SPEAKER 06 :
Not at all. So I just want to expand upon I mean, you did touch it. And there was probably a bunch of people listening this hour who weren't able to tune in on the three o'clock hour. So I just wanted to just wanted to revisit that one.
SPEAKER 10 :
OK, really quick here before you run on, you know, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers, he put out a thing instructing all state employees to help illegal immigrants avoid ICE. Did you hear this? No, I didn't. Yeah. OK, here's the memo. It's real quick. There's like five points on it. Here we go. This memo went out to all state workers in Wisconsin. Number one, refuse to answer any questions from ICE agents, even regarding individuals known to be sought by federal authorities. Number two, deny agents access to paper records and electronic files, even if the agents present a warrant. Number three, prevent agents from entering any non-public areas of state buildings unless they produce a judicial warrant. Number four, instruct agents to sit in public waiting areas and delay any interactions until a state attorney can be contacted. I'm not kidding. And finally, number five, order ICE agents to leave and return at a later time if legal counsel is not immediately available. In other words, if they're going to contact these people to remove them from our country, these people who invaded our country, totally avoiding the rule of law, We're going to help them lawyer up in Wisconsin and protect them in every way, shape, or form and make ICE jump through every hoop we possibly can.
SPEAKER 06 :
There's a huge difference between not assisting somebody and actively interfering. That's interfering. And some of the things you read, I think, not only border, I think, go over the line in terms of actual active interference. And active interference with a federal law enforcement officer is obstruction of justice. So if they want to join that judge in jail and have their pictures taken, by all means, actively interfere with the legal operation of federal law enforcement officers.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's from the governor. I think that Pam Bondi should be giving the governor a call.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think she should. Yeah. And I think she should maybe go over his memo point by point. And so you do realize you're obstructing state employees to obstruct justice, which is which is a crime. Are you sure? You want to rethink that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, you might want to rethink that. I'm telling you what, man, Wisconsin's my home state. That's why I take it so personally, Joe. I mean, I get so angry about this. They're totally lawless. They're totally lawless. They've got this judge who protects. And by the way, this was a dangerous illegal alien. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
This is not just somebody who, I don't know, worked, did some work for them. This is a dangerous person who hurts American citizens.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. There were two different, two different women in the courtroom waiting to testify against him. Yes. And one had been, you know, putting, by the way, and here's something else the judge did. And when she called the attorney over, it was in the middle of his hearing. His hearing wasn't over. And then in the middle of his hearing, she steps down from behind the bench, leads him out through the door. When she returns to the courtroom and gets up behind her bench, she advises the prosecuting attorney for the state after the fact that, oh, by the way, the case against whatever his name was has been adjourned. You don't let the guy leave the courtroom until you say case adjourned. She let him out of the courtroom and after the fact told the prosecuting attorney, oh, his case has been adjourned.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, she needs to never enter a courtroom again as a judge, ever. Because how can she do it? How can anybody take her seriously, Joe? And I would say this if she was some person on the right who did things like this. It doesn't matter. You're lawless. You're lawless. Okay, let's take a break. We'll come back with Jersey Joe. Up next is Geno's Auto. Great mechanics, loaner cars, everything you need to get back on the road for the best in auto care. Call Geno's at 303-794-6700.
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SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Eddie Pete filling in for John Rush. On the line, we got Jersey Joe. Joe, how can people reach you?
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Well, we have already fixed Wisconsin, by the way. Thank you. And what else can we fix?
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, let's go. I want to get to Charlie Kirk about on deportation. But real quick, Wisconsin, not Wisconsin, Washington State Friday signed into law a new law that gives $120,000 reparations grant to select minorities. Now, you and I, if we lived in Wisconsin, we wouldn't qualify.
SPEAKER 10 :
Are you sure? Because I'm a white heterosexual male.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, you don't qualify. By the way, I'm a good guy. Anyway, the law basically, the law says if you are, and they list like five specific, you know, black, Hispanic, Asian Indian, American Indian, you will qualify for $120,000 zero interest down payment forgivable loan to buy a house. Now, if you live in the house for five years and you make less than 80% of the AMI, area median income, every medium household income, your loan will be completely forgiven after five years. Now, let's talk about how low of a bar that is. What big companies headquartered in Seattle?
SPEAKER 10 :
Starbucks?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, yes. But how about more importantly, Microsoft? Oh, yeah. Okay. Sorry. Nobody who works for Microsoft makes less than $100,000. So if your husband and wife, you're probably bringing home uh you know 250 300 000 between you so that's one way so so if you're one of the uh specified minorities you'll get 120 000 forgivable loan after five years if your household income is less than 80 of the area median income it's forgiven now what if for some reason you don't make less than 80 well what it says is that even if you didn't qualify for the forgiveness whenever you might sell your house in the future, five years, 10 years, 20 years from now, all you have to do is repay the original $120,000 with no interest. How'd you like to have a $120,000 zero interest loan for 10, 15, or 20 years?
SPEAKER 10 :
That'd be pretty awesome.
SPEAKER 06 :
Pretty awesome. Anyway, I have no doubt that will found to be unconstitutional. It violates Equal Protection Act. It violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, where you can't discriminate You know, because that's how they got rid of the preferential treatment for college admissions, you know, on the same thing, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But that's just – and you have to ask yourself, when governors and when state legislatures and governors, because they did it in Colorado with these gun laws, they know it's unconstitutional. They know they're going to lose, but they pass them anyway. So, you know, you've got to ask yourself what's going on in their minds when they pass these laws.
SPEAKER 10 :
Are they just trying to flood the Trump administration with so many of these ridiculous laws that it ties up the Supreme Court? Because this is going to have to go to the Supremes. You know it is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, I don't know. Obviously, it'll have to go through a few intermediate courts before it gets there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And one thing the Supreme Court can do, by the way, if a lower court rules against the state, the Supreme Court can just decline to hear it, in which case the lower court ruling would stand. So I hope that's the way it goes. Hey, I know we're tight between now and a break, so I want to get this Charlie Kirk video on, and let me preface this. Now, he's at a college, and he gets some first-year law student, thinks that he's going to nail Charlie by pointing out how illegal the current Trump deportation policies are. And so Charlie Kirk just handles this kid masterfully. He demolishes the kid. So let's play, and Charlie Kirk is not a lawyer, by the way, so turning point, but let's play Charlie Kirk demolishing this first-year lawsuit.
SPEAKER 18 :
Trump's deportation of illegal immigrants is unconstitutional. Oh, it's very constitutional, yeah. Okay. I disagree with that. I believe that it is in a violation of the Fifth Amendment, which provides due process to all persons in the United States. This would include non-citizens. And many of these people are being deported without having a trial or going before a judge, which is in violation of their due process.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, so you are right that if... You are right. If there's an illegal here and they commit a crime while they are an illegal resident or legal individual, illegal, they do get due process. However, there's two exceptions to that. There's something called expedited removal. So if someone comes within 14 days or they're within 100 miles of the border, the Supreme Court has ruled that you do not have to give them the same due process rights. Or if you invoke the Alien Invasion Act, which President Trump has, 1798 law, which allows you to expel people that are here that might be part of enemy gangs or enemy organizations that have invaded the homeland. So under those two provisions, you are allowed to expel people here in the country without traditional due process rights.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I do have some issue with that, specifically with your second point of Trump relying on the Alien and Sedition Act. We can see that whenever Joe Biden – It's not the Sedition Act, but you're close. Oh, sorry.
SPEAKER 21 :
No, you're good. It's the Alien Invasion Act, but it's fine. It's all good. Actually, they were passed right next to each other, so you're not that far off.
SPEAKER 18 :
So we can see with Joe Biden, when he tried to forgive student loan debt, he was relying on a law that was roughly 20 years old. And the Supreme Court said in that case that a president relying on a law that was passed in a time that's too different from today's times can be unconstitutional. And I think if that was ruled to be unconstitutional with a law only being 20 years old, that Donald Trump relying on a law that was passed in the 18th century would be very unconstitutional. That point sounds smart. Should we get rid of the First Amendment? I'm confused where you're going with that.
SPEAKER 21 :
It's pretty old. The First Amendment has been... It's from 1787. Should we get rid of the abolition of slavery? That's from the 1860s. Should old laws be getting rid of? Just because it's old doesn't mean it's bad. Should we get rid of the Second Amendment, the Fourth Amendment? You're the one arguing for due process, which actually was authored in 1791. So old stuff doesn't mean it's bad. To just criticize it on its merits, not how long it's been around.
SPEAKER 18 :
But these things have been reaffirmed several times. With the First Amendment, there have been several cases regarding the First Amendment. We can see that it was incorporated into the states. We can see with other cases like West Schoolbird v. Barnett.
SPEAKER 21 :
Same with the Alien Invasion Act. It's never been ruled unconstitutional. It's been heard many times.
SPEAKER 18 :
But when has it been reaffirmed by the Supreme Court?
SPEAKER 21 :
Multiple times. It's never, I believe in like 1850, there was another, 1950. It hasn't in the last couple of decades, of which there will be a legal challenge. But understand, this is specifically about Trend de Arago and MS-13. That is specifically the carve-out of this law that allows the president to have expedited removal of people that are affiliated with enemy gangs that, by the way, have committed crimes here at the interior of the country. to get them off our homeland. And so the question really is, if you're part of an enemy gang, shouldn't you go back to your country of origin and not stay here in the United States of America when you're raping or murdering or having domestic violence or abuse? Not only that, the American people overwhelmingly voted for that in November.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I don't believe that these people who are being deported are affiliated with a criminal organization, at least the majority of them aren't.
SPEAKER 21 :
The Trump administration has deported... Every one of them has documentation that they're part of MS-13, including Garcia from Maryland. That's not correct. The Maryland dad actually, it's come out. He was part of MS-13, acknowledged he was part of MS-13. He actually beat his wife in 2021. His wife says, I actually don't want to be around my husband anymore because my husband Garcia is beating me. He said he was afraid to go to El Salvador because an enemy gang was going to come after him. Huh, enemy gang. That sounds like a gang member to me. And guess what? You should be happy. He's home. He's from El Salvador and he's back in his country of origin. We sent him home. He's not an American. He's not an American resident. He's not an American citizen. He's not here legally. He broke into the country, committed crimes, was part of MS-13, and was removed under this provision back to his country of origin, all of which is legal and perfectly accessible.
SPEAKER 18 :
You're saying all these things, and while they might be true, they've not been shown to be true. And the Trump administration claiming that these things are true gives dangerous precedent. If the Trump administration can just claim that a person living here is part of a gang.
SPEAKER 21 :
He acknowledged it. He said it in his own asylum cases. In 2019, his own documents, he said, I am part of a gang that if I go back to El Salvador, I will be murdered. I need asylum in America because another gang might murder me. And again, this guy beat his wife. Why are Democrats going out of their way to defend the worst of our society? Maybe they should fight this hard for American citizens for once. You want to know why Trump is so popular? The left goes out of their way to fight for foreigners that have broken into our land and commit crimes and that have affiliation with the worst organizations on the planet while the American citizen is being left behind. That is the power of our movement and I wish the American left would have some spirit and some fight for the forgotten men and women of this country. Not just foreigners here illegally. Final point if you'd like to make one. Thank you for your time.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, thank you.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, Joe, you and I, we do a lot of debating people online. And you can always tell when the person you're debating makes a critical error. And you know when you've got them. It's like watching a chess match and someone moves the rook where they shouldn't. And you know, wait a minute, I got them in eight moves. This was stupid. The moment that kid... decided to say that you're citing an old law. You knew he was done because the entire Constitution is an old law. You knew he was dead. And I can just tell that someone was salivating the moment he said that. It's just like, oh my gosh, thank you. I'm going to beat the, I'm going to pummel you with this. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
He was so couldn't wait. By the way, and in terms of, now you heard, well, you know, the U.S. deported a two-year-old kid, you know, back to Honduras, said, You know, what happened? They deported his mother, and her mother, who had custody of the two-year-old child, said, I want my child to come with me. I'm her legal guardian. So the U.S. didn't deport a two-year-old child. The mother took the child. It was her option. So the government said, okay, we'll buy a plane ticket for your two-year-old, too. Now, so let me go back. Does the name Elian Gonzalez ring a bell? Oh, yes. For those who don't remember, in 2000, there was a raft full of Cuban refugees who trying to make their way to florida um and they all drowned except this little little um a little five-year-old boy who they the coast guard found clinging to an inner tube anyway so they rescued he was treated boom boom he had relatives in the united states anyway his father had remained in cuba he was not on the raft with the mother so um the boy's father and by and the uh And the boy had relatives. He had aunts and uncles, grandparents. So they have temporary custody. They're filing for asylum for the boy. The boy's father, who's still a citizen of Cuba, says, I want my son back. Well, it goes through the courts, and the grandparents, they're all filing asylum claims. He just stays here. Anyway, the courts ruled in favor of the father. Well, the family didn't want to give the boy up. and Bill Clinton was president at the time, Bill Clinton sent U.S. Marshals to the aunt and uncle's homes, armed with AR-15 rifles, to seize, by now he's six years old, to seize him and took him by force from the aunt and uncle to hand him back over to his father, who had flown to the U.S. to take possession of his son. So U.S. Marshals with AR-15s, literally pulled this boy from the, uh, the arms of his aunt and uncle.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, as Charlie just said off air, he was hiding in a closet, hiding in the closet.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. So us marshals with rifles, uh, helped, uh, send this kid back to, uh, now obviously he was only six years old.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Uh, but you know, that's just put a little perspective on, on, uh, what we're hearing in terms of this is not the first time we've had, uh, uh,
SPEAKER 10 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. On the line, we got Jersey Joe. Joe, what else you got? How much time we got? Oh, we got about eight minutes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, good. Remember Nick Freitas from last week? Yes. He's got another great clip, and this is about A feminist saying, I'd never be a stay-at-home mom, I don't get paid for this. Well, he responds to a young lady who just asked him a question about motherhood. So if we can play the clip by Nick again, he's the delegate to the Virginia House of Commons.
SPEAKER 09 :
I just got done listening to a very angry young feminist explain how she would never be a stay-at-home mother because this country doesn't respect, quote, all of the unpaid labor women do. I just want to point something out here real quick. If you want to be a good mother or a good father, you are going to do a lot of unpaid labor when it comes to raising your kids because kids are horrible about paying you to actually do those things, probably because you're the ones that chose to have them and therefore have a responsibility to take care of them. Secondly, unpaid doesn't mean uncompensated. I mean, yeah, in my arrangement, my wife primarily stayed home and educated the children. And I primarily provided the income. But both of us looked at the contributions that we were making as complimentary and overall beneficial for our family. We weren't in competition with one another on that front. Secondly, if she had chosen to work outside the home, well, we would have had to pay someone else to raise and educate our children. And we just didn't see that as an ideal arrangement. Now, if you don't like any of this and you'd like to do something different, be my guest. Do whatever you think is best for you, your marriage and your family. But on the other hand, just understand that there are tradeoffs involved here. And quite frankly, we're really happy with the tradeoff that we made. And we didn't see it as paid labor versus unpaid labor. We saw it as two people in a loving relationship doing what they thought was best in order to provide an environment where a family can thrive. And guess what? It did. So there's that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Patriarchy. Yeah. Oppression.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oppression. Anyway, so if you might want to follow Nick Fritasi, that's F-R-E-I-T-A-S. That was good. Hey, one more quick one for you. Did you hear about the mass murder in Vancouver, British Columbia yesterday?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it was horrible.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, was it an AR-15 or an AK-47?
SPEAKER 10 :
It was an AK-something with an engine.
SPEAKER 06 :
A six-year-old SUV. Right. And again, this is, you know, and we've talked in the past, you know, in the past six months, we've had, you know, vehicle attacks in Germany and Sweden and the U.S. And, you know, and here's my point. People and politicians who think that you can prevent an evil and or crazy person from killing a half a dozen or more innocent victims in under 60 seconds just by limiting their access to a specific type of weapon. probably also think you can make a balloon smaller just by squeezing it in one spot.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. Oh, Joe, it blows my mind. Everybody who's been in rush hour is surrounded by hundreds of people with loaded weapons. These are vehicles. It's thousands of pounds of metal hurtling along at high speed that you can barrel into anyone you want. We have to understand it's with a great amount of trust that we even drive in traffic. He's these. Well, seriously, you got to trust that this person isn't going to weave into your lane that, you know, everybody's going to stay where they're supposed to and so forth. And the moment they don't, we have an accident. I mean, guys, people can kill with vehicles so easily and you can you plow into a crowd. You take out so many. It's incredible. How many die up there and how many were injured?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, two dozen. And, of course, the guy in Nice, France killed 86 people in 60 seconds because he used the box truck.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right outside Milwaukee, remember that one?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep, I remember that.
SPEAKER 10 :
With the Christmas one, New Orleans. Joe just brought up for the Super Bowl. I mean, my goodness.
SPEAKER 06 :
The New Orleans one. The guy in the Bronx killed 85 people with two bucks worth of gasoline when he set fire to the steps of a second-floor nightclub. So, you know, here's my chance to people. If you can't think of two or more ways to kill a dozen people in under a minute without using a gun, you're not very bright. And I'm not going to tell you all the ways I've thought of. I've actually, you know, quickly I've come up with four or five different ways to kill more than a dozen people without using a gun.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, people usually think of those ways during rush hour.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just saying. How do I kill the guy?
SPEAKER 10 :
The person who just swept into my lane when I didn't even give them an opening. Yeah, I know. Go ahead. What do you got?
SPEAKER 06 :
Let's see. You're familiar with the Heckler's veto?
SPEAKER 08 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
The Heckler's veto, you can actually look it up on Wikipedia. It's a standard thing. This is when, you know, Heckler is in a crowd. So they've been having these town hall meetings while Congress was in recess last week. And you've seen this. So one of the Republican congressmen or senators will have a town hall meeting, and somebody in the audience will stand up and shout a question based on a ridiculous fault premise. Right. And then as soon as the speaker, the congressman or the senator, starts to respond to the questioner, either trying to give an answer or pointing out that the premise of the question is not correct, They start yelling and screaming, you're a Nazi, you're a fascist. And they never let him get his answer in. Right. It's an old tactic. Right. And there's actually a name for it. It's called the heckler's veto, which, in other words, you prevent the other side from making their point by not allowing them to speak. And that seems to be the favorite tactic of the left right now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
I've rarely seen a meeting where a conservative... tries to shout down the speaker. Now, has it happened once or twice? Yeah, I've seen it rarely. But this seems to be the tactic du jour for the left these days, is ask a ridiculously biased question based on bogus information. And then when the person tries to respond to you, don't let them answer. That's called a heckler's veto. And again, if you watch any of these town hall meetings, you'll absolutely see it in... in action. And by the way, it seems to be coordinated because some of the biased, loaded questions I ask are the same question in California as it is in Idaho, as it is in Ohio, as it is in Pennsylvania. It's the same question and the same tactic. So I don't think it's just grassroots. I think it's absolutely organized.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, absolutely. Look, that's something that the left has done for so many years, Joe. You know, I was raised by the left. All you got to do is ask something that puts the other person in the position of having to defend themselves, right? They've got to bring out details, and then you shout them down so they can't do it effectively.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then you shout them down before they have a chance to respond with an adult, you know, an adult, logical, fact-based reply. One of my favorite... One of my favorite quotes often attributed to Socrates is that when the debate – and they'll call you names. They'll call you an idiot. They'll call you a moron. They'll call you a Nazi. They'll call you a fascist. The quote attributed to Socrates is that when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. So when your opponent starts to – by the way, there's also something called Godwin's Law of Debate. Godwin's Law of Debate is that the first person to use a Hitler and Nazi reference in a debate loses.
SPEAKER 10 :
I like that. I like that. Okay, you got 30 seconds.
SPEAKER 06 :
Go. 30 seconds. Real quick. You know how much New York City is losing to fairy vaders on their subway system every year? Pick a number out of thin air. Two billion. No idea. 700 million, which is almost $2 million a day. People ducking under, jumping over the subway turnstiles. Can you imagine if you ran a business and you were losing $2 million a day to fare evaders? That's the efficiency of government. Yeah. And the lack of enforcement. By the way, now, I bet you if they started throwing people in jail for 30 days, that number would drop pretty quick, don't you think?
SPEAKER 10 :
I think that would drop pretty quick. So they're losing the money there, and they're driving away all the rich taxpayers. Way to go, New York! All right, are we going to do this again tomorrow? We're going to do it again tomorrow. Thanks a lot, Joe.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. You're welcome, Manny. Take care. Bye-bye.
SPEAKER 10 :
You bet. Folks, that's it for today. Hour 1 replays next. Todd Watkins joins me tomorrow. That should be a lot of fun. Until then, drive safe, God bless, and thanks for joining us at Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
Join Andy Pate as he leads an intense discussion with Eli Bremmer on the recent favorable court ruling for the Colorado Republican Party. This episode dives deep into the controversial decisions, the so-called 'deep state' maneuvers, and the bold steps taken to preserve party integrity. From the mishandling of funds to the appointment of questionable committees, get the full story behind this political drama. Plus, learn about the pivotal roles played by key figures and what this means for upcoming elections.
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Actually, it's Andy Pate. Party of choice. And welcome to hour number two here on Rush to Reason. I am Andy Pate filling in for John Rush on the line right now. We got Eli Bremmer. Eli, how are you, sir?
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm doing great, Andy. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER 08 :
Pretty good. Pretty good. Um... We just had, and just so you know, I'm going to want some gloating today. Are you able to gloat?
SPEAKER 07 :
I prefer not to, but you know what? For you, I'll make the exception.
SPEAKER 08 :
I want you to make the exception because we just had a very, very favorable court ruling that happened the other day. And what I would like you to do is, for people who don't understand what just happened, kind of lay the groundwork and tell them what was going on because there was a group at the Colorado Republican Party, of course, who wanted to sue you and some others to get, I guess, their $100,000 that they wasted on legal fees. Get it back.
SPEAKER 07 :
for them what was going on what happened how is matt arnold involved please make this easy for people because it's actually a big story actually andy let me let me correct something you just said because it's actually really important okay they didn't lose a hundred thousand dollars on this the hundred thousand dollars that came in actually came from the national republicans right and it was designed to go help jeff heard and gabe evans get elected so okay now dave williams took a bunch of money that was sent for other purposes and like a good conservative he is he spent it on himself he gave it to his campaign he found on a salary he gave it to his cronies his uh... they got a favorable ruling from a progressive judge in court which ended our efforts to try to stop what they were doing however the reality of it is what i was doing was designed to help gabe evans and jeff heard and we had their full support in what was going on they got elected it was very successful Fast forward to today. The Davidians lost the state party to Bretta Horne. Bretta's doing a great job taking over the party now and getting Humpty Dumpty put back together. So what they're trying to do is retaliate and not recover their $100,000. That was National Republican Congressional Committee funds. Again, I think the last time I was on the show, I said I had offered to release the legal liability of the Davidians if they would simply give that money back. to the candidates where it was supposed to go. Right. So what they did is they prepaid Matt Arnold to file a faulty lawsuit. And, uh, this, it, it, it's not just that a law. One second.
SPEAKER 08 :
When did, when did they do this? When did they prepay Matt Arnold?
SPEAKER 07 :
Uh, just before Britta Horne took office, just before she got elected. And so they prepaid him and obviously he did no services at the time. And then afterwards he used that retainer to Sue Britta and me and others and say, I'm trying to recover on behalf of the Republican Party, which is weird because Britta is now the chair of the Republican Party. So he said, basically, I'm representing you suing yourself, and there's nothing you can do about it. And if that sounds strange to you, then you're completely in line with the court because the court looked at it and threw it out faster than we had even expected. We knew it was going to get thrown out. So it not only did it get thrown out, our attorney has advised Matt Arnold we will be pursuing him personally for legal fees. We had to pay some legal fees to get his frivolous lawsuit dismissed. Now, is he going to pay? Probably not. He's a deadbeat. He doesn't carry insurance. And again, as a reminder, this is who the state party hired, is someone who intentionally has no ability to undo the damage that they caused. So, you know, on the one hand, maybe there's a bit of gloating. On the other hand, I also want to point out how just ludicrous the situation is. that no one should ever hire an attorney who can't get insurance. But this was what was going on with the party. I mentioned last time Dave Piggott. I believe we're going to be going after him for sanctions as well. He lied to a judge. I went to the Air Force Academy. This guy went to West Point. He should have his ring taken away because any service academy grad who lies to a judge to get a faulty ruling, which then the judge has to overturn, frankly needs to get sanctioned. And so there will be some accountability.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, Eli, there's not enough gloating here. I need more gloating, and here's why. Because these guys, look, they wanted to sue, they wanted the party to sue the current chair of the party along with you and several other members. By the way, KBB was included in this. She had nothing to do with the coup, okay? I have no idea why they include her. But this is crazy. They wanted... to have this lawsuit launched by a committee that they put in place, which was headed by Matt Arnold, called the Anti-Corruption Committee, correct?
SPEAKER 07 :
The irony that the most corrupt people I've ever run into, which is saying something. I've been involved with international sports. These are the most corrupt people I've ever run into, and they appoint the Anti-Corruption Committee. This would be like the Democrats having the Free Market Committee or the Free Elections Committee. That doesn't work.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, to make this easy for people to understand, think two words, deep state, okay? Think about how the Biden administration left behind a deep state to make things hard on the Trump administration that came in after them, right? Activist judges, we just had two, we were talking about in hour one in New Mexico and in Wisconsin, right? Who are trying to break the law and so forth. Basically, a lot of parts of the deep state trying to use lawfare to hold up the Trump administration's agenda. Well, Dave did the exact same thing, trying to leave deep state in the Colorado Republican Party in the form of Matt Arnold over this anti-corruption committee that could still oppose the new leadership and try to squeeze them for $100,000 in legal fees when... Nobody forced Dave to ever spend the legal fees. All he had to do was hold a vote. We have to keep in mind, Eli, we have to keep in mind, he spent all that money to delay or stop a vote that was later ruled to be totally legal by the courts. The courts ruled that vote was legal. So he spent $100,000 to stop something that was legal.
SPEAKER 07 :
Go ahead. And Andy, this is a man who can't hold down a job. So he paid himself, I think, well over $100,000 to take this money. Then he paid his cronies tens and tens and tens of thousands of dollars.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wait, who are you talking about, Dave or Matt?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, Dave is the one who paid himself. And then he paid all of his cronies, Eric Grossman, who's on the Central Committee. Huge conflicts of interest here. But to be clear, I didn't have a victory here. Republicans had a victory. This is never about me. This is about getting a majority in the House. And we've got that. We have Speaker Mike Johnson because Colorado Republicans elected Gabe Evans and they elected Jeff Hurd, and that's why we have a Republican majority. So these people were operating like Democrats. They wanted us to lose the majority. This wasn't my win, Andy. This was Republicans' win. And it was Colorado Republicans and it's National Republicans.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, but... Now that Britta Horne has defeated the Davidians and taken over the Colorado Republican Party so that it can now serve our candidates and actually serve all Republicans. OK, all aspects of Republicans serve them all equally favor none. Now that that has happened, their last gasp effort. to hurt her, to wreck her, was trying to keep this lawsuit. And the only way they could do it, because obviously she came into office and she's like, I'm not going to sue myself. We're going to drop this. This is ridiculous. Why would I sue myself? Okay. I mean, people don't do that. And so she was going to drop it. And Matt Arnold was going to prolong this lawsuit by inserting himself into it. And he just got laughed out of court. Is that not what happened?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, this is, I mean, this is just so patently obvious what they're doing. They lost. It is, like you said, it's the deep state. Right. And no court in the country is taking up whatever, they can't even find an absurd judge anymore who will ever hear this stuff. They're going to get lots of sanctions on them. I wouldn't be surprised if an attorney or two even gets to the point where they might have a law license problem. But that's how bad this is. And what Britta is focusing on is what she should be focusing on. In one word, it's winning. OK, we have got to defend Gabe Evans' seat. One hundred percent. We've got to defend that seat. Jeff Hurds as well. That's going to be a little bit easier. But the Democrats still may go after him. I think the Davidians may try to push primaries there. So Britta's doing what she should do. and what we all need to support her in doing. And this faction of the party, they've always been in it for themselves. It's about them making power and money at the expense of our conservative values.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, bottom line is this, and this is why I want the gloating. The Davidians, the Rhino Watch crowd, this was their last gasp effort. to cause damage. This was their last gasp effort to hurt the people who swept them out of leadership at the Colorado Republican Party, and they lost. And now they've got nothing.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't think it's going to be their last gasp, though, Andy. It's not going to be their last gasp. They're like vampires, man. They're going to keep coming back. At the end of the day, Andy, they don't have anything else productive to do. They don't have productive jobs. Their entire life is obstructing conservative Republicans from getting elected.
SPEAKER 08 :
It was sweet, though, watching them go down.
SPEAKER 07 :
Be honest. It was. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie.
SPEAKER 08 :
Eli, you've got to spike the ball right now, baby. You've got to spike the ball because this was too good. What we have just seen is some very bad hombres get shut down in court, and now the good people who have taken over the Colorado Republican Party and want to serve all Republicans statewide and not just their little group, but everybody equally, Now, those people led by Britta Horne can go forward and serve the people.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I think it's fantastic. Hashtag winning. That's where we're going. Because people talk about unity. This will unify. When you have a Republican Party led by Britta Horne, who is going to be about winning elections... Everyone can unify. All of your listeners can rest easy until the next caucus because these folks are going to rear their ugly heads again and try to say we want to take over the party for our own benefit. But for right now, we are on a great track, and I'm so proud of Britta and all that she's doing.
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SPEAKER 07 :
Trende Aragua, MS-13, you know, these terrorist gangs that are up here. They were arrested at a nightclub right here in Colorado Springs, about two miles from the airport. So incredible work by the Trump administration, our law enforcement. You know, it was a very, very good unified effort to bring these career criminal illegal immigrants to justice. Now, you would think... andy that everybody in our community would be rejoicing that we had a hundred criminal terrorist illegal immigrants apprehended yeah i think that's a good thing you would think that's a good thing so so today the el paso county democrat party comes out and denounces it and and calls call on it i mean anything why how could they denounce this why well i you know their their their reasons were sort of Strange to me, shall we say? I mean, let me see. They said city and county leadership failed their constituents by refusing to call for restraint, compassion, or due process for the very residents they represent. Residents, including U.S. citizens, are at real risk of wrongful detention, deportation, and imprisonment.
SPEAKER 09 :
Or worse.
SPEAKER 08 :
Eli, let me ask you something. How does it work when you are any kind of law enforcement and you are dealing with people of the savage nature of Trendy Aragua? How does restraint work?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I don't think you need a lot of restraint when you're dealing with them because if you're saying should a law enforcement hero risk their life to have a Trendy Aragua gangster from out of the country... to have them be a little safer. The answer is a clear no to me. I go ahead and sign with law enforcement on that. But this is really bad. I mean, they're basically saying the El Paso County Democrat Party is saying that my security, my 10-year-old son's security, that doesn't matter. What matters is the people who came into our country without our permission, who came into my city without my permission, probably are on government services here. that their rights are more important than my right to life, liberty, and property. And you know what? I'm going to bet the ACLU is going to come in on this, the American Civil Liberties Union, and say, we want to protect the illegals and... and the community members in Colorado Springs, their safety is not important. I mean, Andy, this has just gotten ridiculous.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, what impresses me is this. I think they were very restrained. And what I mean is this. Eli, they immediately let go anyone who was here legally and did not have a warrant. Boom.
SPEAKER 07 :
All of them freed. That's right. But also... But there's some other concerning things about this. We're now finding out there were a number of active duty service members who were at the nightclub hanging out with these folks.
SPEAKER 08 :
Now, were they hanging out with them or were they doing security? I thought they were doing security.
SPEAKER 07 :
The reports are saying security. I'm reading between the lines and realizing that this should never have been happening. And it's raising concerns to me over how substantial this infiltration from these groups that Donald Trump has rightfully called foreign terrorist organizations. They're palling around with members of our military. This was not at a nightclub. Okay, it was reported that it was at a nightclub. It was actually at a warehouse in an industrial district.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, and you and I both know we've been in the military. I never did it, but I knew guys in the military who were, let's say, SPs, special police. And some of them had some jobs on the side that they would do to make some extra money. And it was fine, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
There's nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER 08 :
And they would do it as security, and maybe they just got a security gig.
SPEAKER 07 :
No. When you're in a warehouse district at 3 o'clock in the morning with a whole bunch of people that clearly are not American citizens... Fair enough. ...who are exchanging drugs, exchanging weapons... I agree with you.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was just trying to play devil's advocate to weed out any concerns.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, but Andy, what this goes to show is truly how dangerous this immigrant crisis has become. Right. Because it's not just... With all deference to my friends up in Aurora, those of us down here sort of thought that that was your problem up there. Well, guess what? We got it down here, number one. Number two, they're palling up with our military, and that's very, very dangerous. And I'm proud of the work that Secretary Hegseth is doing in the military. I'm proud of the cultural change that he's pushing because this is such a major problem. And then you've got the Democrat Party. I mean, this is the party who doesn't know the difference between a boy and a girl. And who says a boy can be a girl. And now they're saying that illegal immigrants, you know, have rights that we as American citizens, you know, we have to give up our rights so they can have their rights. Well, guess what? You're here in my country. This is our country. And I've helped lots of people, Andy, I think you know, I've helped a lot of people immigrate legally to the United States who have become great citizens of our country. A number of them are Olympians and have now served in the U.S. military. I'm pro-immigrant. I am very against illegal immigrants and the danger that this causes.
SPEAKER 08 :
I totally agree. Okay, we got about 30, 40 seconds left. Last question. What does this say about the authorities who are already here in Colorado who look the other way? I mean, they got weapons and drugs at this place. What does this say about the cops? What does this say about the governor? What does this say about Colorado that the feds had to come in under Trump and bust this?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we got problems, and there's a saying, you don't get the leadership you want, you get the leadership you deserve. So this goes right back to remember to vote in the next election, support Britta Horne, and let's get some great Republicans out there, because this is not going to get fixed until we win an election.
SPEAKER 08 :
Eli Bremer, you're a great patriot, sir. Thanks for joining us. All right. Thanks, Andy. You bet. Take care. Folks, after the break, we're going to talk to Richard Rush. He's going to give us a rundown on the draft. Your Broncos did great. You're going to have a lot of fun with that. We'll also be talking about Shadur Sanders. But up first, veteran windows and doors, 35% off three windows, 40% if you get four windows. For the best in price and quality, call veteran at 303-529-0720. Let me do it again. 303-529-0720.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush. And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Dead for us afternoon, Rush. KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. And online right now, we got Richard Rush. Richard, what a draft.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, Andy, we sort of talked about it last week, right? Sort of lacked a little bit of star power, although I know we'll talk about the trade of Travis and that sort of thing. But then if it wasn't for the Shador story, I don't know. It would have been a pretty mundane Friday and Saturday night, you know, Andy? Friday night and Saturday day.
SPEAKER 08 :
I believe it would. By the way, first of all, I was gloating in the last segment. I'm going to gloat again. We hit the first seven picks in a row. Did you notice that? We did. We were on it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Although we did not foresee Cleveland being, I guess the history will tell, Andy. Did Cleveland pull another Julio Jones where they gave up a lot to, or I guess they got a lot, but they gave up a generational talent? I think Cleveland. Remember Atlanta traded with Cleveland to get Julio Jones.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
I personally think... They didn't really give back anyone.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and we'll talk about this in the next segment when we talk about what teams did well, what teams did poorly. I think Cleveland absolutely knocked it out of the park. I think they rescued their team. I think they did exactly what they needed to do. They were fantastic. I mean, they were draft... juggernauts. It was incredible watching them work. They robbed the Jaguars. They absolutely did. But first we got to talk a little Shador because Richard, you and I, we've been watching this draft thing for decades. Okay. I have never seen, I mean, just a few weeks ago, you thought Shador could go number three to the giants just last week. I had him going number nine to the saints. I mean, look, just talent wise ability to read the field, deliver the ball, get it in the hands of your playmakers. I mean, this guy is a first round talent. Okay. And yet, because apparently all the teams decided he's a jerk. He drops into the fifth round, and here's what really gets me. The guy has no rap sheet. The guy has no drug problem. The guy has no string of girls who are pregnant. The guy has nothing wrong with... He lives a good life, okay? All he had was bad interviews. How can you have a pure life, a good lifestyle? I don't know if he's pure, but, you know, a pretty good lifestyle, nothing really bad. And, you know, have a great college career, have everything going for you, and then do so poorly in interviews that you drop to the fifth round. Richard, please, my football guru, make sense of this for me.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'm not sure I can make sense, Andy. Well, I'll try to make sense from a football standpoint because I heard it on one of the other shows, and we sort of speculated about this last week. Sacks. Sacks more and more are becoming a quarterback stat versus an offensive line stat, right? Got to get rid of the ball. And I know he had a bad line. You trust me. I watched it for the last two years. They were terrible. It was about as poor of an offensive line as you could get. However, I'll say about 50% of those sacks, were potentially, and I'm not saying all that way, but were potentially a result of him just holding on to it for one reason or another, right? And maybe it was to make a play. Maybe it was he didn't want his completion percentage to go down. Maybe he didn't want... You know, an interception to happen. Whatever you could argue, Andy, there was just – he took too many sacks. And in today's NFL, if you recall, that's what Sean Payton actually said about Russell Wilson, basically. True. He took too many sacks. Okay, but wait, wait, wait. And coaches warn more and more, Andy, with analytics, because I think you and I have talked about this before – Statistics show and analytics show if a quarterback takes a sack on a possession, I want to say even if it's first, second, and obviously third down, it ruins the possession. But first or second down, I think it reduces the odds of completing or of that drive ending up in points or success by like 80%. It's insane. Basically, if you take a sack as a quarterback, you lose that possession.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's almost an interception.
SPEAKER 06 :
It almost is. Well, in some cases, it's almost worse, at least with an interception. If it's way down the field, you can sort of flip field possession, right? With the sack, you're giving yards, all sorts of things. And so I think that's kind of reason number one. Reason number two, Andy. Well, one second.
SPEAKER 08 :
Before you move on from reason number one, I've got to say one thing, though. Everything you just said was 100% correct. But I got to see, you know, I'm not a CU fan, but I got to see part of a game. I watched some of, what was it, Oregon? Yeah. They were in on him so fast. How are you supposed to dump the ball off? I mean, I can understand he was taking sacks, but dude, I mean, he was taking heat. They were just running wind sprints at him.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. And like I said, now, the other, well, point two sort of ties into point one, right? Point two, again, heard this elsewhere, is that the offense was too catered to Shador. It was too catered to success. And so if there was, you know, so basically like, You have this many sacks. Yeah, you had good numbers, but not as many good numbers as you maybe would have had the offense. Just kind of a combination. I'm with you, though. Again, I think the sacks are fixable. Andy, I will say this. For teams like the Browns, like the Giants, like the Saints, no offense, I don't see Tyler Shuck in the second round, I believe, is when they went up and they came and grabbed him. I don't think he's that good. He's not worth it. To me, a flyer on Shador... Now, granted, Andy, I also get this point, right? Because we kind of heard this in the draft, which is... Once you get to the second and third round, and obviously even deeper, those quarterbacks, you're sort of taking flyers, right? Kirk Cousins was never drafted with the intent to be a starter. Now, I know that Shanahan came out after and said that he was, but let's be honest, right? If they envisioned Kirk being who he was, you take him high second, first. I know there was lots of stuff with RGC.
SPEAKER 08 :
If they envisioned him being what he was, they would have taken him in the first. You're totally right. That was just coach speak.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly, Andy. And so I don't understand why some of these other teams... And honestly, I do give the Browns credit for this. Whether you want to argue it was a favor to Deion by Haslam or their quarterback, Coach Bill Musgrave, or anything of that nature, I don't know, Andy. All I can say is, to me, you take a flyer on him. And that flyer, for me, would have come in the back half of the third round. I would have traded up the last pick of the third round snagged him right because to me he's worth it at that point in time there's no there's no player that you're going to get there that's going to be better because that was the other argument you heard right andy is that well you know you can get another you know there's lots of depth at other positions like you and i talked about in this draft and so you can get another really talented player but i and i'm going to let you jump in because i know you you have your opinions too i just I don't think it was all one thing, Andy. I think it was a combination. I think the interview thing was sort of a convenient excuse. And ultimately, though, Andy, the beauty about the NFL, which I think is the closest thing to the real world as possible, he can prove every single person, every single draft pundit, except for Mel Kuyper, he can prove everyone wrong just by going out and succeeding. Because if he goes out and wins, Andy, then the entire NFL – has egg on their faces because they didn't pick him, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and in fact, I'm not going to weigh in with my opinion because I agree with you. You just gave my opinion, okay? That's how I feel. I think Cleveland got a steal. That doesn't mean he'll pan out, but I think the talent and ability there for what they got in the fifth round, you've got to be kidding me. Okay, really quick. That is the thing, Andy. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. We've got to go to the Broncos, though, because there's people out there listening right now wondering, what did we get at the store? And I'm telling you what, your Broncos got a steal in the first round. I said this on Friday. I'll say it again. What a steal. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I agree with you. I mean, I'll be honest, Andy. When it happened on Thursday, I looked at it and I said, man, I'm not sure that I like that. We don't need a corner. It sort of reminds me of when the Broncos took Bradley Roby when we had Aqib Khalid and Chris Harris. And so I'm like, I'm just not sure that I'm on board with this, right? I'm not sure I can make sense of this.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know, but you and I, we mocked him number 13 to the Dolphins, and you guys got him at 22.
SPEAKER 06 :
That is sweet. I will say this, and this is me. Honestly, I didn't pay much attention because I didn't think the Broncos would have a chance at it. But after listening to his interviews— After listening to just him talk in general, he just seems like an upstanding guy. He seems like he's a respectable guy. I think he's going to do whatever the team wants him to do. He's going to do whatever the defense wants him to do, whatever Vance Joseph. just from his cover skills as a whole, Andy, I have a really, really hard time being upset with the pick because ultimately, Andy, in the AFC as a whole, not even the AFC West, you know, because obviously we have a hard, hard, probably maybe the toughest division in all of football outside of your NFC North.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, our division is, but go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, but just in terms of top flight quarterback talent, I mean, outside of the Raiders, you know, you have Geno, but You still have confident quarterbacks. Anyways, Andy, you've got to be – yes, you have to score, which we'll kind of talk about a few of their other picks too. You've got to be able to score and do some of that. But, Andy, ultimately you have to stop them. And last year, as we got later in the year, injuries happened. For example, Riley Moss, our starting outside corner, he got hurt a little bit. And even Patrick Sertan was hurt a little bit. And that sort of allowed defenses to go after us, right? Not anymore. You saw the Eagles and Gilborough attack us. Well, that's the key, Andy, right? Now it's hard to find an open spot in the defense between safety and corners and your pass rush. I mean, it's a pretty fierce defense.
SPEAKER 08 :
Richard, I've got to ask you a personal question here, okay? Do you use one of those shrinker things where you get some stakes and you want them to last a long time, so you put them in plastic and you shrink it down with the air thing and then you seal it, vacuum seal them? Yeah. Okay. As tight as the plastic is around those stakes when you vacuum seal them, That's how tight your secondary is going to be around wide receivers when they face Denver. I'm telling you what, you have a blanket for a secondary now. I mean, you have a blanket. If I play you guys, I'm running. I ain't throwing. I'm just saying.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and that's the thing, Andy. Now, again, I will say this. I think that we did address some of the offense. Although, I mean, we would like to see more. Although, I think that Sean Payton will be creative. And if you actually look at his offenses traditionally, he doesn't invest a lot of high-round picks in skill positions, right? He looks for guys that fit in. the mold that he's looking for. And then he kind of drops them in and, and does that. And so it's not shocking to me, but yeah, I'm with you again. I think that this team got stronger. We still have some proving to do both. Got to take a leap in his second year. And I think that sort of gets overlooked sometimes because it's always like, well, let's get weapons for the quarterback, get weapons for the quarterback. Andy, I would say he's got to take the next step this year because look at CJ Stroud this last year, right? He sort of fell back to the pack. But Andy, I'm with you. But that's not the norm.
SPEAKER 08 :
Usually the year two is a leap, not regression. CJ, that was a bad thing. I don't expect that with Bo.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I hope you're right, Amy. But on Barron and that pick as a whole, you just listen. He's the kind of guy I want on my team every day out of the week and twice on Sundays. He just seems like he's ready to go. I don't know. It's hard to describe. I just really like who he is as a person, it seems like.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'll just say this. Jaday Barron, here it is, folks, for those who don't know the kid. He's fast, very fast. He is a blanket. He's not just one of these speed guys. He can cut on a dime, and he mirrors a receiver beautifully. The only thing is he's not huge. He's not like one of these 6'1 guys who can just blanket you all over the place like you've got on the other side. Doesn't matter. He can play inside. He can play outside. He is a gem. But tell you what, let's take a break. When we come back, I want you to really quick just spend a couple minutes telling people how the Broncos did the rest of the draft. I thought they did well. And then we're going to talk about who did well and who sucked. Sound good? Perfect. Okay, up next is Kevin Flesch-Law. Kevin Flesch, that's F-L-E-S-C-H. He's ready for court so your opponent knows you're not bluffing. No one's better than Kevin, so call Flesch-Law at 303-806-8886.
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We inform you. Now, back to Rush to Reason. And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush on the line. We've got Richard Rush. Richard, outside of a wonderful first-round pick, what did you guys get?
SPEAKER 06 :
We got, well, outside of the first-round pick, Andy, we got a running back, R.J. Harvey out of UCF, who's sort of what... Yes, quick guy, kind of a bowling. Well, kind of a, you know, Maurice Jones through, I hate to say Darren Sproles, Andy, because Darren Sproles was so special. But that kind of a player, and I think that's maybe what Sean Payton, who had Darren Sproles, obviously, in New Orleans for all those years, maybe envisions for him. And so I think he'll be, honestly, the more I look into him, Andy, and see you did play him, and he burned us deep, and he was actually a really good player. So ultimately, I think that he'll be a great pickup. In the third round, we kind of got a, I'll say a developmental deep, you're kind of an edge player, sort of an edge rusher type of a guy, but he's kind of a do-it-all. He's a little bit immature in a lot of ways. What's his name? Whoa, Andy, you're getting me. What is his name? You got it pulled up.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I don't, actually.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's okay. Don't worry about it.
SPEAKER 08 :
What kind of player is he? Go ahead. Third round.
SPEAKER 06 :
I guess that I think he's a – not your complete game wrecker, Andy, but I think maybe that's who they envision for him, right? I think that they envision him to be kind of that defensive line, all-around guy. He can stop the run. He can rush the passer. He's got a lot of different talents that way that maybe not a lot of people kind of saw. And he wasn't mocked into a – to them maybe is the right way andy and then in the fourth round hold on i'm kind of pulling up everyone else so real quick name andy our third round pick was savion jones and i also forgot about a guy that maybe is one of my actually our favorite picks andy pat bryant wide receipt wide receiver out of illinois some people are comparing him to michael thomas andy which again is another sean payton player out of new orleans yeah bryant from what i saw from what i saw he has fly paper for hands And that's the key, Andy. If he's not a burner, he's not going to wow you. But when you need a catch and a critical third down, he's going to get it for you. And I think that that's what Sean Payton was looking for. Round four, we took a really developmental guy, Q Robinson. He plays special teams, which a lot of times, Andy, out of – you know how that works kind of in the fourth, fifth rounds. You are looking for those guys who can play special teams. But he has the talent, I think, to potentially develop into a pass rusher. And then we actually took a punter, Andy – In the sixth round, an Australian-born punter, which we needed one. We lost our punter in the offseason, and so I'm actually not too upset with that pick. And then, Andy, round seven, here's an interesting one for you. We took a guy who has five career catches. All of those catches resulted in points, four of them for touchdowns, one of them for a two-point conversion. Wow.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that's a nice ratio.
SPEAKER 06 :
So he's a tight end out of Utah, does not have a lot of experience, Andy, but basically he's a basketball player. And does that remind you of anyone? Maybe a Jimmy Graham who was just a basketball player in college? It does. and got taken by one Sean Payton and transformed into one of the better receiving tight ends of all time.
SPEAKER 08 :
It sounds like you had a pretty good haul. Let's really quick here. We've got about five, six minutes. I've got to say, I'm going to praise the Cleveland Browns. What a draft! They had the No. 2 pick. They had Travis Hunter sitting right there. They traded down to No. 5 with the Jaguars, and they still got Mason Graham. who is in that next tier right below Travis Hunter, right? Mason Graham's an awesome player, and he's a defensive tackle right in the middle of their defensive line where they've already got great pass rushers. And then they got a first-round pick next year on top of it, plus an extra pick this year. I mean, I love that the Jaguars got Travis Hunter. That's great, but they gave up way too much. Way too much. You know as well as I do, the Jaguars are not going to be winning the Super Bowl next year. They're probably going to be a pretty good pick, and the Browns just loaded up good for them. What do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, Andy, I'm with you. The fact that they got what they got is pretty insane and pretty crazy, to be honest with you. I wasn't expecting that. However, like I said, the biggest thing that I can't say, and sorry, I have a parrot behind me. The biggest thing that I'm not sure of, Andy, is Does Travis Hunter become the truly generational player that a lot of people think that he can be? And if he does that, what does that bring to them? Then it's worth it. And what did they give up as a result of that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. I mean, if he becomes the next Dion. And then some. You know what I mean? Okay, then it's worth it. But that's saying an awful lot, Richard. Right now, he's still a prospect. And he's a great prospect, but he's a prospect. Another team I thought did well was the Raiders, of all teams. They stood at six and took Genti, as we said they would. So they got a great running back. In the third round, they got two offensive linemen, both in the third round. And they got a good defender in the second round. The Raiders loaded up pretty good. Here's one in your division I feel bad for you. Josh Simmons actually went to the Chiefs. And if he gets healthy, he is one of the top two or three left tackles in this division. I mean, in this draft. And the Chiefs desperately needed that.
SPEAKER 06 :
They did. They had to take a chance, though, right? Because like you say, if he's healthy or not, right, Andy? Yeah. And maybe even it takes a year. To your point, and you and I kind of talked about him, of maybe him even going sooner because of – of a team willing to take an opportunity to take him yeah and obviously the chiefs sort of saw the ability or the option the opportunity i should say to say hey you know what we're going to take him because we did sign the kid out of san francisco in the draft and that gives us an opportunity to maybe you know if that guy doesn't work out maybe this guy will and andy they have to right because that was that was one that's been one of their biggest
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, look what happened when you guys played them. You guys were just flying in there. Forget you guys. Look at the Eagles. I mean, they had to get a left tackle. Josh Simmons looks like he was constructed in a lab to be a left tackle if he's healthy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, absolutely, and that is a – and, Andy, again, I think that's a key. And Andy Reid and those guys are some of the best drafters out there, although they – I don't know, you could argue maybe they got it wrong because they did take – I think they got – they took the tackle last year, right? They moved up for the Penn State kid? Yeah. Or maybe that was in the second round. Either way, Andy, they've got to get it right because you've got to keep Mahomes upright because if you do that, it really doesn't matter what receivers he has. He's going to find someone open, and he's going to be able to deliver the ball. Back to what you were saying, Andy, on the Browns really quick. I will say this. If Travis Hunter is like Deion, but maybe he's even better, maybe he's a really good corner, really good receiver, and I think the Browns' plan is to use him almost equally on both sides of the ball, which would be fascinating if they can figure out how to do that. I wouldn't do that. I'm with you. But if he can be an all-pro at both positions, and obviously that is a massive if, Andy, because it's never happened before. Well, then he's worth it. then he's absolutely worth it and you moved up to get him. If not, and at the same time, Andy, Cleveland gave themselves a good shot. I know people are saying they passed up on him, but they also gave themselves two chances next year in a class that could be loaded. with quarterbacks, but is arguably, or not even arguably, probably on the consensus, Andy, a much better overall draft than this year was, at least on the surface.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, we got just under a minute here. Shadur again. He went to Cleveland. Now, I think he went to a perfect situation. He's obviously going to be humbled by what has happened. I think there's a chance he goes in there and starts sometime this year. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, because to me, if you're the Browns, I don't know why you wouldn't. For me, you should be as terrible as you possibly could this next year because depending on what the Jaguars do, whether they're good, bad, or otherwise, probably in the middle of the first round pick, which still has value, but you have every incentive to be terrible this next year. You're likely going to cut Deshaun Watson after the year. Outside of cutting him, you're not really going anywhere. Yes, you have Miles Garrett. Yes, you're kind of getting some talent on the defensive side of the ball. Andy, it pays to just get everything else in order. Start Shador, see what you've got, and if he's not it, you don't hardly owe him anything. You can cut him after the year if it's a problem. So I'm with you, Andy. Honestly, I would probably start him out of the gate, feed him to the wolves and see what he does.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree, and one last thing here. I thought Shador was the most ready-to-play quarterback in this draft, and they got him in Cleveland. Why not play him? I totally agree. Richard, thank you so much. We'll talk to you on Friday. Sounds good. Thank you. OK, take care, folks. That is it for our number two and our three. It's our Monday Mortgage Minute. And then Jersey Joe joins me for all the latest news and fun. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
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