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Mike and Mark discuss the 10 year span that has seen Donald Trump go from unlikely presidential assperations, to the most important figure of the 21st century.
Ten years after Trump descended the golden escalator, Mark and Mike look back at the decade that followed. From the media’s sneering dismissal in 2015 to today’s reshaped political landscape, they analyze how “Trumpism” turned critics into converts and shifted America’s political axis. The hosts reflect on their own political journeys, the appeal (and pitfalls) of candidates like Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis, and the charisma factor that made Trump unstoppable. They also ask: who’s next? Don Jr.? JD Vance? Someone with that same celebrity unflappability? Packed with candid takes, this episode dives into why policy alone isn’t enough — personality still reigns.
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Just 10 years ago today, we've gone through a decade of Trumpism that has completely reshaped politics, the culture. You cannot understate this. And I don't like to spike the football or anything. But there's a little clip I want to share with you. This was 10 years ago today, okay? The day after Trump came down the golden escalator, the day after, this is what all the familiar faces we know on TV sounded like. Hit it. I'm just really happy right now. I'm a millionaire vanity candidate. Mike Barnicle.
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right now. There are no words to describe what just happened.
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Ed Randall, do you have any doubt that this is anything more than a carnival show? It's like, I can't tell if this is politics or if this is just PR from a celebrity. I mean, it was one after another. Do you think they look back at that and say, oh boy, did we get it wrong?
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And they got it wrong. It's not like that's the first or the last time that people said something in the Trump era, including me. folks on our side who have said some things about the Trump era and then been completely and totally wrong, had to completely and totally reconfigure. Although I'll tell you, not to join you in breaking our arm, patting ourselves on the back, is there anything... I haven't. You haven't. We signed. I was a Cruz guy. I was a Ted Cruz guy in 2016 until Ted Cruz wasn't in the race anymore. And all the while in supporting Ted Cruz, it came it was winnowing down to Cruz and Trump, Cruz and Trump, Cruz and Trump. So I was talking about how great Ted Cruz was, which I will always do. But as people were bagging on Trump, bagging on Trump, attacking Trump, I was spending more time defending Trump against bullies. bizarre baseless attacks from both sides than I was talking about how awesome Ted Cruz was. So when Trump beat Cruz in Indiana in May of 2016, the time I spent immediately morphing over to the Trump train was about a millisecond where I've reigned every day since. And I haven't had any weird curveballs. I haven't had any huge lessons I've had to learn because I've been slow to grasp what was going on. Have you?
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I was thinking about the comparison between, in a way, on the presidential stage of Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis. Both of them enormously effective. Both of them incredibly skilled. Ron DeSantis, arguably the greatest governor in America. And I think Ted Cruz, one of the greatest and most effective senators in America. They both lack... a factor and it's hard to figure out what that it's it's a likability factor mark there's something about both of these guys i think thin-skinned is probably unfair but like it or not that's a bit of the perception and that's what happened to desantis and i think that's what happened to ted cruz there's something you talk to people like who work with them and they claim very unfairly, I might add, but they claim this is not a guy, warm, fuzzy guy that you want to cozy up to and have a beer with. Same with Ron DeSantis. They're very, I don't know what the word is, officious. There's a warmth factor that they lack that a guy like Trump possesses. And somebody else will come along probably one day and have that same warmth factor. But let's face it, in 2025 America and beyond- You got to have that. You got to have that celebrity if it was. Maybe that's the word. There's a celebrity factor to Trump.
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But there's a couple of things. I'm 90, 80, maybe 87 percent agree with you. And I know that this is meaningless because nobody spends life in person with everybody. Cruz in person is unbelievably likable, unbelievably funny, and unbelievably natural. And I think a lot of his reputational problems have been from the left that doesn't like him and conservatives, insufficient conservatives, who are intimidated by him. I don't know DeSantis personally. I haven't spent time around him personally. You've got a couple of examples.
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Well, and so, but I've got to tell you, so has Ted Cruz. They're both a little prickly. And I know that from, that's a nice way to put it. And again, I say this as a fan of both of them. But they are. Prickly is the word. They get irritable. They get rubbed the wrong way pretty easily. And that's just part of their personality. And I think that translates to the American people. I think people kind of see it or sense it. And they just say, nah, we want the showman. We want the celebrity who's got all the policy boxes checked. But also has that kind of personality. Yeah, yeah.
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Meanwhile... Who has that? Oh, we ain't done yet. So who has that moving forward? Does Vance have it?
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To some extent. I think he does. I don't think he's got that prickly factor. I think Don Jr. has it. I think Don's got a great personality. And he's got the old man's charisma.
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You know what that is? And I don't even know if it's about... cultural fame, because in Democrat circles, it makes you think about the whole Stephen A. Smith thing, which may not be as ridiculous as we think, but I think it's kind of an unflappability. There's something about Trump that almost no politician ever has. He just doesn't care. He just doesn't care. He's impossible to rattle. He is impossible to inflame. He's impossible to trigger, and I don't know how many human beings even have that. Anyway, didn't mean to bog you down.
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Go ahead. Did she?
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oh was and it's really oh and it's and it's really moving the needle what do they i'm really curious i'm not trying to be a smart aleck what did that accomplish what what trump isn't going anywhere and he's not running for anything how does he bring about change in any election does does does no kings mean that the midterms will be hugely great for democrats I don't think so. I don't see that at all. I don't even see it connected. What we need to look at is the old proof in the pudding. Yesterday, Harvard-Harris came out with a poll, and this is not a right-wing poll. What percentage of Americans believe our U.S. economy is strong today? 52% first time in four years, a majority of Americans believe the U S economy is strong. Trump, it's working. That's right. No, it's working. And when, and again, for the first time in four years, 52% of Americans, and that's according to the Harvard Harris poll. So, and again, you know, I love a good old Jessica Tarloff over on the five. She loves to pull numbers out of her ear, but she won't be quoting that poll.
Dive deep into the prevailing challenges of addiction and mental health with expert Dr. Joseph Lee of Hazleton Betty Ford. Angie Austin shares heartfelt stories from her own family, shedding light on the profound impact of addiction. Through open dialogue, Dr. Lee reveals groundbreaking approaches to treatment that unify families, breaking the silence and stigma often associated with mental health. Discover how comprehensive care and community support are redefining recovery, bringing hope and healing to those in need.
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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here's Angie.
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Hey there, friend. Angie Austin here with the good news along with Dr. Cheryl Lentz, the academic entrepreneur. And we are talking joy today. Dr. Cheryl Lentz, I just love talking to you. It's been a bit, huh?
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It has been a bit in there. Enjoy one of my absolute favorite topics. It's always a choice. And I have some amazing books to talk to you about today.
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Oh, excellent. And I picked a joy topic, coincidentally, because, you know, when we meet up, we just kind of have an idea of what to talk about. And we both chose joy today, which I thought was pretty funny. And anything interesting, any travels, any foreign exchange students? I've been traveling a lot, as you know, because we usually kind of keep in touch via text about all that. Anything fun and interesting going on in your life?
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Well, I did come back from graduation. I went to Grand Canyon graduation in Phoenix, Arizona about six weeks ago now. First time I'd ever been there. I've taught there for more than 15 years. First time I actually had food on the ground. Isn't that amazing? And one of my graduates was out there. And so I did a kind of a multi-pronged approach as I went to see her. And then I went to also go up to Prescott because I'd never been to Embry-Riddle and their location up there. And I've taught for them more than 15 years. So I did a bit of a tour for about five days. And Oh, my gosh, it was magical. Can I just say that? Magical. I mean, Grand Canyon's graduation, they give Bibles to their graduates when they graduate. It was just amazing, and it's all with scripture, and it goes really fast, too. I mean, it was quite a few graduates, but they have seven ceremonies, and I was only one of the seven, and ours is amazing. It's graduation-like week.
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And they have a lot of people who study, do distance learning, right, who are online. Absolutely.
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Absolutely. And that's where my students are, because I had worked with I had two graduates in particular. And it was amazing because one of them I had worked with, Dr. Lawrence, more than six years. The other gentleman, Dr. Michael, I'd worked with him for like five and a half. And he's from Africa. And so to finally get to meet both of them, I've worked with them for, you know, almost a half a decade and I'd never met them until that day. And I'll tell you, it was a little daunting, quite frankly, because it was kind of like being brought home to meet the folks, you know, because their parents were there. His family was there with his young son. And of course he's trying to be able to use me as an example and a role model for his son and things. And so it was really interesting, but I'll tell you, It can't underestimate the power of being in person and to actually have that magic.
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That is to meet mom and dad. You know, that is so cool. You know, I think about when I got to meet Michael Pelka in person and you and I still haven't met in person. And Mike is.
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No, and I'm still not met Mike either.
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Oh, my goodness. Yeah, it is. It was really cool when you know someone so well and have done. I mean, we did a four hour radio show together and hadn't met and we knew we've known each other for about 10 years. So that was super cool. That was about maybe a year ago or less. And I just wanted to say that you said 15 years you've taught for Grand Canyon.
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Yeah, at least in there between 15, 18, something like that. I'd have to look at the exact dates.
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My girlfriend, Dr. – pardon me, Beatrice Bruno, the drill sergeant of life, she is in her 60s and has gone back to school. She's at Grand Canyon and will graduate in 2027, and she's doing it online. And then she is going to law school. She was a drill sergeant, as I mentioned. And she wants to help veterans. And she probably won't graduate from law school until she's in her probably early 70s. I just think it's so cool.
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Oh, it's amazing. I can tell you, I think my oldest student was 78. And many of them, particularly at the doctoral level, they want to know if they got the chops to do it. Many of them will never practice. They just wanted to know because it was a lifelong bucket lister kind of thing. So occasionally I will have some, and it is phenomenal to be able to work with somebody with that breadth and depth of life experience. It is an honor. I mean, just a privilege because they know more than they think, you know, geez, Louise, that is so cool.
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I just, Yeah, I admire her so much, and so I've got to tell her. In fact, I'm going to introduce you to her on text.
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Oh, please do. I would love to be in her cheerleading spot. That would be absolutely awesome.
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She is the best. All right, so let's talk joy. You said one of your good friends who went through a life-changing auto accident almost lost her leg and has come back from that, that this book about joy is something that your friend wrote.
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Exactly. It's called Joy Through the Journey is what it's called by Amberly Lago. Amberly, gosh, I guess it's been about 10 years now, literally was on a motorcycle and had the most horrific accident you've ever heard to man. I mean, it's just it's you just wonder how she's still alive, let alone has her has still her leg because they told her it wasn't going to make it. And she is stubborn and she has gone through, I don't know, at least 25, 27 surgeries and stuff like that. And so she's up and down. And I am just honored and amazed that throughout all of this. that she has maintained such a joyful, the party was always in her room and you had very little to be joyful about. I mean, she's almost lost her legs. She can't walk. She's got all of these surgeries. And now she has, what is it called? Chronic nerve something disease. And I'm sorry, I don't have the exact name of it, but it's just absolutely phenomenal. And yet when you meet her, she's light, she's magic. She just makes you feel good. She lights up a stage. She's also a TEDx speaker as well. But you wouldn't know to see her. Nothing happens to her that keeps her down. Yeah, it slows her down a little bit. But she can be that magical when you don't have that much magic in you. And yet she is my inspiration and my hero, quite frankly.
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Oh, I love that. So what did you learn from her book? And it's so neat when you can learn joy from someone who's going through such pain.
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Well, I think it's amazing. Not only have I read her book and met her on stage and spoke with her and we've shared a stage together in there. She does a podcast and she does almost weekly, you know, like here's my inspiration for the week kind of a thing when you sign up on her website. And I'm always amazed how vulnerable she can be. She is not going to blow sunshine up your behind if it's not appropriate. She will tell you, hey, I've had a rough day. Here's what happened. I couldn't get up. The tears came. She's a mom and a wife and a daughter, and it's funny to see some of these things when you deal with just the normal stressors of the holidays, just the normal stuff. When she gets sick, she gets really sick, and it just takes her out because of her immune system and the rest of it. But yet, when she gets back, she will tell you everything. And I just cry when I read her emotional response going, I'm not that courageous when I'm sick to share it with anybody. And yet she will bring such joy to us going, you know what, hang in there. I know what you're like. I'm on that side of darkness. And her faith is never shaken. It's always a, well, here we go again. And she'll keep pulling herself up by her boots. It doesn't shake her faith. No, it doesn't. And she is all about grit. That is her shtick, is the ability of just digging deep and just getting down into the dirty. And she's willing to share it. She doesn't blow sunshine. If she's not feeling good, she'll tell you. And there are times she's had to cancel podcasts. because you'll see that the pain is just overwhelming in her eyes and she goes, not going to happen today, but she will acknowledge it. She will call and talk about the white elephant in the room. And that makes people really want to be around her because we know that life isn't perfect and she isn't perfect, but boy, is she strong and boy, is she willing to share in those dark moments and keep us all going. It is just magical.
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Wow. I just, um, I admire that so much. So if you could tell us what your takeaway personally that's helped you from that is, let me know.
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I think that is just keeping on and keeping on, that you don't have to stop what you're doing, and it's okay to ask for help, and it's okay to ask for help publicly. And that's the hard part I struggle with. is because, you know, I mean, I had a hole in my kayak and my students found that the most amazing thing ever. And the reason they did is like, see, it makes you human. It makes you vulnerable. And the fact that I didn't panic and I found it a little entertaining, quite frankly, you know, going there ought not to be water in my boat. And I have the ability in the moment to to take a video. Right. And try and let people know life happens to all of us. But most of us only share it when we're on the other side of it. She shares it with me. Yes.
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Yeah, I like to see both sides of it because, you know, you can garner information that may help you with your own life and your own trials and tribulations as you're trying to climb that mountain. If you're on social media, you're like, oh, these are just people who are at the top of the mountain. We often don't see the tenuous, painful journey to the top.
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And that's why I think her podcasts, her blog posts, her email always seem to catch me at just the right time. And she admits when she's less than. She admits when she doesn't have it all. But when you see her hit and she's, you know, got everything together on stage, man, can she light up the stage. And you'd think she was 100% healthy and not have a clue that other side of hell she has been through and continues to go through because what she has is she manages a chronic disease that they can't cure. Mm-mm-mm. So when people are willing to do that, I just think they're my heroes.
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All right. Tell us the name of the book and then tell us how we can find her. A lot of people might want to follow her and find her podcast.
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Amberly Lago. So A-M-B-R-L-Y Lago, L-A-G-O. And it's called Joy Through the Journey. And she will tell you the good, the bad and the ugly. And she's got from a faith perspective, too. She will tell you she is a God fearing Christian and her faith is what has brought her to this day. And just give me goosebumps, you know.
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All right. I don't think we're going to be able to cover the whole topic. So I want to have you back to go over these in more depth. But this is, you know, I love Mark and Angel. It's three things we often do every day that drain all of our joy and all of our potential. And the first one really stuck with me because. You know, we're both friends with Jim Stovall, and he always talks about the late, great John Wooden. And one of the things that Coach Wooden would say to him, because they later in John Wooden's life got to talk on the phone once a week, which, hello, what a beautiful gift that was for Jim. He said that John would say, what would you do next if you were amazing? And what a great way to go through the day. And so the number one on this list is one of the things that drains our joy and our potential is Treating each and every day as though it's just another day. And I'm guilty of that. Treating each and every day as though it's just another day.
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Wow, my sorority has a mission that we have to recite as part of our creed. And it's a today is, you know, the ability for you to treat it that it just isn't like another day. It's just the only day that's ever going to be like that to treat it special with poise and purpose and intention. And so I agree with that because sometimes, particularly if you're not feeling well or the world's coming apart or whatever's going on, we can take ourselves too seriously and get too far myopic, right? You get your caught in the weeds. If you can put your eyes on the Lord, if you can put your eyes on other people who are ahead of you in the process, if you can not treat it like they're and just treat it as a every day is a gift, boy, your perspective changes. The situation might not, but your attitude does.
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Oh, I like that treat every day as if it's a gift. And I had a girlfriend that used to say, find the gift in every day. And I remember that day I was sitting on at my big kitchen window and there is a deck right outside the window. And I like to feed the birds there until I got banned from doing that for my husband because they were destroying the decking, you know, because they were all landing and fighting and they were big birds. And Anyway, to make a long story short, it was a squirrel and babies. So all the babies were trailing behind. I think there were three trailing behind the squirrel. And I was like, And I was literally three feet from them through the window. And I was like, how often do you get this close? Oh, and I just had another gift of the day, a robin with four eggs that literally was on. As you walked out the door, your head was six inches from the nest because it made the nest on a light next to our front door. And I thought, oh, goodness gracious, we've got cats and three dogs. And it's probably five and a half feet high, this light light. And so I was like, oh, but it was so perfect because rain and snow and wind did not bother this thing because it was, you know, on our porch, which has a big, you know, cover over it. So anyway, all four birds made it and they all left just recently and it was so fun to watch them. And one night the cats were out and they were hunting. Right. So they were trying to jump up to the nest and I couldn't get them in. So my husband woke me up at like midnight, 1 a.m., scared the daylights out of me. And I'm like, what? And he said, you've got to get the cats in to make sure they don't get these, you know, these eggs at the time. So anyway, that was our little miracle here at our house. All right. Dr. Cheryl Lentz dot com. I'm having you on again to talk about joy soon. Thank you, friend. You're welcome. Thank you.
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Hello there, Angie Austin here with the good news. We are talking today about the nation's largest and leading addiction and mental health provider. They're setting a new standard of care and joining us is an expert in the area, Dr. Joseph Lee, president and CEO of Hazleton Betty Ford. Welcome, doctor.
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Thanks for having us on, Angie.
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Okay, I have to just say that this is such an area of interest for me, and I have such a heart for people who suffer from addiction. Half of my family does. My dad had his Ph.D., and I basically did not see him for about 35 years. One of my brothers was murdered. The other one is in and out of health care and has been homeless for many years. The other half of my family basically graduated almost top of the class at West Point Military Academy. myself who graduated with honors and worked at my first job was at NBC and on and on. So I see that addiction absolutely destroyed their lives. And I don't know what was different about us, but I know there was something different and they didn't get dealt the same hand of deck of cards that I did. So please help everyone understand that this isn't just like, hey, I want to be an addict. This is something people really suffer from.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I think, Angie, thank you very much for sharing how this has impacted your family, because it makes a tremendous impact in our society. Addiction and all the mental health conditions related to it cost hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and they cause a lot of lost lives, lost productivity, a lot of intergenerational trauma that I think you're alluding to as well. And right now in the country, while there are some favorable signs early, that opioid overdoses in the country may be decreasing slightly. We still have a quarter of Americans above the age of 18 who struggle with some kind of mental health condition and young people ages 18 to 23 have about half of them have either a mental health or a substance use disorder. And when you talk about families, Angie, this is a fact that people don't hear a lot. Right now in the country, there are about seven and a half million children who live in a household with a parent that has an active addiction. And you think about that toll that takes, not just on that individual, but on their entire family member. And this is something that affects everybody. And I think everyone, if they really were vulnerable, knows somebody. And we've all been impacted in some ways.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. It's interesting you say that, that it has an impact on them. I just had a conversation. I had three teenagers, and one of them said, oh, yeah, well, her dad comes home at like 3 o'clock every morning, and he's always drunk, and he just sleeps on the couch, and they can barely get him out of the car. But she's okay. It doesn't bother her because he just sleeps on the couch. I said, no, she's not okay. I said, you're in a household where neither of us drink or do any drugs. I'm like, you have no idea how this is going to impact her at some point of her life. She says she's okay, but it's not okay. Like, you know, you got to be there for this friend. This is a big deal. So let's talk a little bit. You gave us some of the stats. Tell me how you guys are, you know, kind of battling this and, you know, what improvements since you are cutting edge, you know, a leader of the pack when it comes to treating addiction.
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Yeah. You know, as a, as a leader in the nonprofit space, and I think the nonprofit part is important for 76 years and we carry on the legacy of Mrs. Ford and all the pioneers at Hazelden, our mission started out on a farm and we've been evolving our care ever since then. You know, I think first we got to think about the context and the environment that people are in now. I think people these days are more disconnected than ever before. It's hard for them to trust any kind of source, news source, fact source. When they go on social media, they see idealized images or they see polarized conversations. And so people are truly, truly disconnected. And I think that adds up to a lot of addiction and mental health. And so when we started to develop our services, we wanted to help with some of that fragmented care. We see a lot of people getting medications at one place, therapy at another place, depression treated somewhere, addiction treated somewhere else. Their family members go somewhere else and their kids don't get any help at all. And how can we connect the dots? How can we help an individual with addiction and mental health at one location, help their family member and their children, stay with them longitudinally, and then not just that, the other part about mental health care that I'm fairly critical of, Angie, is quality control. It's nothing like mainstream health care. Quality control is so arbitrary, and so people have a hard time trusting the behavioral health care system. Well, it turns out that we have a publishing arm with mountains of intellectual property that's evidence-based, and we have one of the best data sets in the country for addiction medicine, and we do research with Mayo and Harvard. We have a graduate school, so all our clinicians are incredibly well-trained, and when we put these business units together, we think we can change the conversation and the expectation for what people should demand for behavioral health care.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, so interesting you say that. I think about, you know, how many different people you would see for an issue. You know, maybe it's four experts, you know, the therapist, the doctor, you know, the mental health professional, etc., And so when it comes to the family, how are you guys that explain the treatment plan that you might involve? Because I remember a time and this was probably 20 years ago when my brother brother was in a treatment facility and my mom was placed like in the middle with him. And then everybody was in a circle around and then they had like a conversation, like going over certain issues. And she was livid. She said, I am not the problem. You know, like a mom. It's a whole family deal. Like they're trying to get him help by helping us as well. and she just completely did not agree like he is was an arm of our family that was completely cut off that was dismembered that you know had nothing to do with her and so i i really agree with this family treatment plan because the whole family becomes sick in a way um so explain some of the things you do to in your treatment plans it's very interesting to me yeah you're absolutely right angie you know i'm a child psychiatrist by training and so as a physician you
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I've treated families all along. So this model comes from what I did working with youth, young adults and families in my clinical career at our youth and young adult site in Plymouth, Minnesota. And so I used to always say that, you know, my treatment style is like an Italian restaurant. It's family style. And you really have to work with everybody. Everyone has a role to play. Now, we used to say, you know, back in the day that you got to cut people off and you got to have tough love. And that's not where the science is right now. Where the science is right now is that you can actually teach family members to be a part of the solution. You can teach them skills. And even if their loved one doesn't get the help, the family members can still improve their lives. They still have their quality of life to think about. And when you give your family example, a lot of families react that way because so many tragic things happen. And there's so much stigma around addiction and mental health. Once you start having the conversation that you're involved, now you're culpable. Now it goes straight to, oh, you're saying it's my fault. And that just stops the dialogue. But imagine on the flip side. Imagine on the flip side if family members and children could understand their role, that it's not their fault and that they can't cure it, but that they can learn to heal themselves and that they can be a part of the solution. it changes the dialogue and it reinforces the changes that the patient is undergoing for care too.
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Now, I want to get information about where we go for more info. By the way, you mentioned Betty Ford, obviously. I just think I have such an admiration for her because you think about the stigma we have now. Think about seven decades ago, the stigma associated with what she was battling, her addiction. And to actually come forward and go public with it, you know, the amount of shame that she could have inflicted on her family and or her husband, you know, in his place of prestige for her to admit that I have such admiration for her that not only did she get help for herself, but that she was bound and determined to get help for others. And and how great for so many people can't afford these programs. I mean, if you don't have insurance. Yeah, I just walk down the streets and see so many people that need to be in, you know, a facility getting treatment for addiction, but they're homeless and or whatever, you know, these terrible circumstances. But I want to know, how did you get involved in this? I love, you know, I've been doing news for 30 years all over the country, and I love to find out why people have a passion for what they do. And I know that you're not just known for like the science of it. You're known for like the heart of it, for like the care that you give people, like the love, like the care that you care about your patients. So how did you get involved in this in Minnesota outside of the cities?
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Yeah, well, Angie, you know, I'm an immigrant. I grew up in Oklahoma. I did my medical training in North Carolina at Duke, and then I did my fellowship at Johns Hopkins in inner city Baltimore. So I've been around to different parts of the country, and I developed a real passion seeing the transformation of people with addiction. I saw the stigma. I saw how they were scapegoated, and they get a lot of side eyes, and they're mistreated in emergency rooms. And there's reasons for that. But I also saw the transformation and the change. And that made me a real believer in the kind of care. And then when I started to work with young people, that was it. And I think when you talk about Mrs. Ford, you know, she was a person who spoke at a time when people didn't even talk about breast cancer because she was also a breast cancer survivor. And when she spoke, a lot of people, millions of people across the country who were scared to speak all of a sudden could stand up and be recognized. And And I know some of your listeners are in the Denver, Colorado area. We're in nine different states. We have children's and families programs, and we have inpatient and outpatient and virtual care, and people should look this up. They can go to hearwithyou.org, hearwithyou.org, and see all the resources. But the bigger thing is about the conversation, because going back to we have a children's program in the Denver area, and these kids come in, and they don't have a language. And until they come to the children's program, they think their parents are using substances because they don't love them. because they're being bad and it's heartbreaking heartbreaking to hear these kids and the healing that comes from those family units and how seen these kids feel at the end of it you know if you just multiply that i think therein is the solution to how we get past this mental health crisis and so that's how we're trying to change the conversation so this conversation is about our services and what we deliver but also asking people to demand more from behavioral health services and to ask for more resources, because that's going to take a lot of resources to get people help. And there are a lot of people who are down and out. And there are a lot of people who need help. There are a lot of people who are homeless. But here's another fact that's driven by stigma. Most people with addiction and mental health issues are gainfully employed. Actually, the vast majority of them are. And unfortunately, they wait in silence and they suffer alone until it's too late.
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You know, you talk about the stigma, and that's something that I'm really invested in trying to take away the stigma because if your brother has, you know – cancer. Everyone's like, oh, you know, I feel so bad for him. Are you visiting him? What's going on? But oddly enough, yesterday I just came on Facebook. I saw a picture of a guy that murdered my brother popped up and I realized, oh my gosh, he lives right down the road where my son's going to college. in Boulder, Colorado. And I'm like, oh, whoa, that was a shocker. But if you tell people, oh, my husband or my brother was an addict and, you know, dealt with mental health. He was in the Marines. He saw a lot of yucky things. You know, he was murdered. It's like, ew, you know, like somehow like you're tainted, like, ew, what kind of family did you come from that you would have that? But I speak have spoken out about it as I've been an adult because there was judgment. And I remember working at NBC when I got the call in the newsroom that he'd been murdered. And people were shocked that I never had brought my brother up because you don't want to talk about that icky part of your family because somehow you think it taints you. Like you said about when we were talking about Betty Ford. And so I have really spoken out for many years now because I want people to see I'll be up on a stage speaking about. with people who appear to be homeless or kind of a mess or maybe came from maybe they're different racially from me. And I said, which person here do you think went through this, this, this, this and this? And no one picked me because I'm like the blonde lady in a suit that looks like she went to Duke. Right. So no one picked me. And I'm like, well, actually, it's not, you know, Bob, my African-American friend or this person here that looks like maybe she has had a much rougher life than I did. It's me because that's not who they associate with addiction. People from you know, that look like me. And that's why I want to talk about it because it's all walks of life from the PhD dude to, you know, the person you see on the streets. And when I interview people on my show, who's over, who have overcome addiction, it's mind blowing to me, like you said, especially if you can get them early. I mean, a guy that has been living under a bush, you know, outside of the Denver rescue mission, you know, living day to day with, you know, no food, trying to just get his fix now running like a big nonprofit and, thrift store where he's turning lives around for other people. I mean, what you're doing for people is life changing. The fact that you're getting them early is saving us so much money as a society because you're saving him from eight more rehab treatments later down the road because you're getting kids. So they're not going through rehab 10 more times if you can help them when they're young.
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That's right, Angie. And my heart's full just hearing you and your advocacy because those voices matter. And I think that changes the conversation. And we all have to speak in unison in this because the majority of people with addiction and mental health issues get well. That's another thing with stigma is that people think that people don't get well. And while that happens with any disease condition, it is actually treatable. And there's a lot of hope for people. And these people in recovery, they don't call themselves patients. They call themselves alumni because not only is their depression and addiction better, they feel like they're a part of something. They have purpose in life and they have meaning in life. And I feel like a lot of Americans, when they try to get mental health and addiction care, that's the kind of spirit they're looking for.
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Yeah, I love it. Thank you, doctor, for all you're doing for others. And give us again, you mentioned that some of this can be virtual, some of this care. And I want to make sure people know where to go to get additional info.
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Yeah, absolutely. Go to herewithyou.org. We have services. And then join us because, you know, we're really about advocacy. And we're going to change the conversation together and really appreciate everything you're doing to raise awareness.
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All right. Thank you so much, Dr. Lee. Appreciate it. Great information. And again, thanks for all you're doing for others. Thank you.
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In today's episode of the Best Stocks Now show, host Bill Gunderson explores new developments in technology and pharmaceuticals. With a keen eye for opportunity, Bill evaluates the latest stock performance, highlighting potential winners in the evolving marketplaces. From breakthrough advancements in AI and nuclear power to challenges in the pharmaceutical industry, gain a comprehensive understanding of where the market is headed. Discover the strategic moves of companies like AMD and Spotify as they carve their paths in a competitive world, underscoring key factors driving their success.
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And welcome to the Tuesday morning. It is June the 17th. Do you know where your portfolio is? This is Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. And I am flying solo here probably through the whole show. We'll see. Maybe one of them will join us here a little bit later on. But that's cool. We've got the Dow right now is down a little bit. Trump had to come home early from the G7. That's got the markets rattled. They're always rattled about something, but we're not down that much. The Dow's down 89 points to 42,426 after a really big day yesterday. The NASDAQ is down 84 points right now to 19,617 after a very, very good day yesterday, especially in AI. All nuclear, quantum, all of your momentum areas of the market. The S&P is down 19 right now, 30 basis points, 6,014. Small caps are down 40 basis points. We've got interest rates are down a couple of points as they're meeting behind closed doors today. The Fed is, that is. And they will be announcing their decision tomorrow and most people expecting tomorrow. No change, even though we're overdue for a rate cut. In my opinion, crude oil is up 2.6% today to $73.66. And gold is down a little bit right now to $3,411. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson. President of Gundersen Capital Management, and I am broadcasting today from Lakewood Ranch, beautiful Lakewood Ranch, Florida, where it looks like it's going to be a beautiful day here. Blue skies, temperatures pushing 90 degrees, a little bit of humidity in the air. Beautiful day. We had a big day in the market yesterday. Wow, a really big day, in fact. The Dow yesterday was up 317 points. I don't know what the catalyst was, really. I would just say that the market seems to be getting used to all of the turmoil in the world and here in our nation and focusing back on earnings once again, which continue to be good. I'll be talking about earnings quite a bit tonight. If you're going to do a workshop on the stock market, your main subject should be earnings, earnings, earnings, and it will be. A big topic tonight at the workshop. If you're in the area, 7 p.m. at the Even Hotel. I finally got that straight, the Even Hotel here in Lakewood Ranch. And we'll go until about 8.30. The Dow was up 317 yesterday. The NASDAQ was up yesterday 294 points. And there were some outstanding charts in the market yesterday that I highlighted and that I sent out to my subscribers and to my clients that want those live alerts from the market, from the front lines of the market. From on the water, on the water fishing reports throughout the day of what I am observing. The rare earths had a very big day yesterday, Mountain Pass, MP. I talked about the little one. that got a deal from the Trump administration, got a grant to do some work in Greenland on rare earth. And rare earth was a big subject at the G7 meeting. They're all worried about China. playing that card and restricting those rare earth exports and trying to work out solutions to all that because these 17 elements are in a lot of things that we use all of the time. So the rare earths had a big day. AMD had a huge day yesterday. It got a big upgrade from one of the analysts out there. That stock was up 7 or 8%. That's the biggest move AMD has made in a long time. Really good chart. We own it in our relative value portfolio. CoreWeave had another big day yesterday despite being very expensive. Oscar Health had a nice day yesterday. It's up another 6% today. Robinhood had a big day. Embraer had a big day with the Paris Air Show going on. And Pony also ponied up today. Yesterday was some big gains, and today it's not too bad. I'm seeing some good moves here today. Oscars up 6.4%. AMD's up again. The oil stocks are doing well. I don't know how long that's going to last. I guess as long as the shooting war in Iran between Iran and Israel is going on. And the Straits of Hormuz are threatened. I suppose oil will continue to move higher. Palantir had a good day yesterday. Also, the AI stocks and NVIDIA continues to break out to the upside. Well, Trump demanding that Iran give up entirely on their nuclear weapons. That seems to be a non-negotiable point. No more nuclear weapons research, which Iran has been spending a lot of money on. a lot of time a lot of energy and uh... you can't tell me it's for peaceful purposes uh... you know nothing that they have really fired at uh... israel some have gotten through but for the most part over ninety percent of their their ballistic missiles are being deflected and uh... it seems like they're hell-bent on getting their hands on a nuclear weapon and that's taken a big big setback I was listening to a couple of talk show hosts yesterday as I traveled down here and talking about the big, big plant, which is under the ground. It's under the ground. I think 1,000 feet or something like that under the ground, and it's totally encased in cement, and that's where they keep the fuel that is almost ready to go or is ready to go. With a nuclear weapon. And the only way they can reach that bunker down there is with the bunker buster bombs, which they don't have. They'd have to get those from the U.S. And some wonder if that's why Trump came home early from the G7 meeting yesterday, leaving kind of in a hurry. And also putting out a warning to Tehran to evacuate Iran. So we really don't know, and that definitely is part of the market being down today. The only other way that Israel could reach that big plant under the ground would be to send in some commandos. I wouldn't want that assignment. And that could also be where the Ayatollah is hiding. So anyways, we've got that under the ground of the market, underneath the surface of the market today. Retail sales here in the U.S. slump in May. That doesn't surprise me because there was a lot of front running in February and March and April, getting ahead of the tariffs. And now, you know, the tariffs are here. So it doesn't surprise me to see the retail sales slump. We just need for them to not continue to slump. And I think that's what the Fed's worry is. What will these higher prices do to retail sales? Will it cause the consumer to tighten up? And will it eventually impact the economy? And will it show up in the inflation numbers? So that's our first report here today. Since the tariffs on retail sales, they were down minus, minus 0.9 month over month. And again, I think a lot of that was because of the front running done in February and March. Well, the Fed, our friends at the Fed are the friendly Fed, which hasn't been too friendly. We probably have the unfriendliest Fed in the world today as the ECB continues to cut, Australia continues to cut, Bank of England continues to cut, and our Fed has not done any cuts whatsoever, keeping those Fed fund rates up over 4%. which keeps the 30-year mortgage up near 7%, 6.5% to 7% seems to be where that is mired. And most people do not expect a rate cut this week. And, in fact, most of the analysts out there do not expect a rate cut this year, which is a little bit hard for me to believe. We haven't even reached the halfway point of the year. We will in a couple of weeks. But former Federal Reserve Vice Chair Roger Ferguson believes the Fed is not going to cut interest rates in its upcoming meeting. Of course, we'll get the decision tomorrow or likely at their next meeting and maybe not even this entire year. Well, on that happy note, we'll take a little break. We'll be back, and we'll talk about the rest of the world, a lot of trade deals in the making, and a lot of stocks in the news today. This is the Best Stocks Now Show.
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And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Stocks Now show. While the European market's down today, also they're down one-half of one percent. My guess is they're worried about the same things that the U.S. markets are worried about, the escalation taking place in the Middle East and trade deals that remain undone, although we do have some important updates on some of those trade deals. Also seeing the China market down about 35 to 40 basis points. It's selling off also. And Japan, we were very close. There's the first update on a trade deal. We were very close to a deal with Japan. Not quite there, however, but very, very close. Japan's Nikkei was up yesterday. Their Bank of Japan, they stood pat on their interest rates while Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba and U.S. President Donald Trump agreed to continue trade talks. continued trade talks but failed to reach a breakthrough on tariffs. So that one is still out there, but getting closer and closer. Yesterday I said, I'm not sure where we are with Canada and Mexico. Well, there was an update on Canada yesterday. President Donald Trump said on Monday that a trade deal with Canada is achievable within days or weeks. Okay, that's very encouraging. because they are a big trade partner. Trump wants tariffs, and their leader, Mark Carney, has got a similar idea, but it's not exactly tariffs. And when asked what the holdup on the deal was, Trump said it's not so much holding up on a deal with Canada. We have different concepts here. He said, I have a tariff concept, and Carney has a different concept, which is something that some people like. So I don't know what Carney is suggesting, but they're very, very close to a deal we are with Canada. I haven't heard any updates with Mexico. I haven't heard anything at all. coming from Mexico. And, of course, one of the hang-ups with Canada was the fentanyl coming across the northern border. That's obviously one of the biggest hang-ups, too, with Mexico on the southern border. And, of course, with China. I mean, they got hit with the 20% fentanyl tariff as part of that 30% package. Solar stocks get crushed as the Senate bill budget proposal keeps cuts to solar incentives you know that's one thing that's kept the solar industry alive obviously uh... is uh... the tax incentives especially to people who install solar on the roof uh... getting a big tax incentive and uh... that uh... apparently those cuts are gonna continue to happen to solar incentives And don't forget, it happened to EV, electrical vehicle cars also. That $7,500 is going to be phased out. Relevant stocks in the solar industry, Sunrun, what's left of it, down 28%. SolarEdge down 22%. Enphase down 16%. I see that Enphase is one of the most shorted stocks. In the entire market, that's ENPH. And other solar stocks, first solar, probably the blue chip of solar stocks, it was down 7% yesterday. But the modified text of the bill extends tax credits for hydro. nuclear, and geothermal power to 2036. Well, Citigroup's got a big, bold prediction on gold. I don't know that I agree with it. They see gold dropping back below 3,000 an ounce and headed down to about 2,500 to 2,700 an ounce by the second half of 2026. That would be next year. Well, I don't know how to put a valuation on gold myself. I found that the only way I can trade gold or own gold is looking at the charts of gold. It continues to hit a new high. It has leveled off a little in the $3,400 area. Silver continues to be pretty strong. It's hitting $36. It was hitting $37 per ounce this morning. But Citigroup is calling for a break in the rally in gold. Well... let's put it this way gold has been a great hedge against the tariffs and one by one the tariffs are being resolved okay so i can see from that standpoint of view gold could lose some of its luster here as these deals with other countries are resolved TikTok deadline is fast approaching. Trump indicates that he may push back the TikTok deadline. The clock, the tick is talking or the talk is ticking. on TikTok. I don't know. This has got to have hurt TikTok and its popularity. You know, they have a deadline bite dance to divest the U.S. assets of its popular short video app called TikTok. But it sounds like he's going to extend it, still trying to work out a deal. Several investors, including Oracle, Blackstone and Dell have stepped forward to take a majority stake in TikTok, leaving ByteDance with a diminished 20% stake. So that deadline looks like it's going to get pushed forward. Spotify. You know, Spotify has been a great stock here in 2025. And it is one of the chosen ones that we own in our premier growth portfolio, which when fully invested has about 20 to 25 stocks in it. Only the best from my point of view. That's another topic on the table for tonight. What is a best stock now? Is it the deep value, low PE, low price to cash flow, low price to book value, stocks trading below their intrinsic value, or is it the go-go momentum stocks, or is it somewhere in between? Well, everybody has a different opinion on that, obviously. But using my criteria, Spotify continues to be a best stock now. It hit a new all-time high yesterday. And pivotal research on Tuesday gave the music streaming giant a $100 price target hike. You know, they're the only ones that have been able to work out. Other than Netflix, they did it with movies and films. But Spotify's doing it with podcasts and music, where Pandora failed to do it. Sirius Satellite failed to do it. XMSR, they finally had to merge with the other one. And... For whatever reason, I mean, they figured it out there at Spotify how to become profitable and a profit giant. They have the right formula and we continue to own it. As Pivotal puts a $900 price target, I think we're up around there too. Spotify closed at $715 yesterday. We'll be right back. What is SoftBank buying? What are they selling? S-F-T-B-Y. This is Bill Gunderson. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services, Call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show.
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And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Docs Now show with the markets underwater a little bit here today after a really big day yesterday.
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The first chart that caught my eye yesterday was AMD, and it's the first chart that catches my eye once again. Boy, that thing has really turned a corner. We bought it just two weeks ago as it started to reverse course. It was in a downtrend for the longest time. AMD got as high as, oh, let's see, almost $200 a share at one point in time. Then it went to 76. And since it hit 76 at the beginning of April of this year, it's hitting 130 today and breaking out. That's a very powerful chart. And it qualified for my value, relative value value portfolio because on a relative basis, I mean it's traded in the 45 to 60 forward PE range. Right now it's trading, when we bought it, it was about 19 times forward earnings. Now it's at 21 times forward earnings as it's really taken a pretty good run here over the last couple weeks since we purchased it. And it's breaking out today. So that stock catches my eye once again today. SoftBank raises $4 billion. Where did the money come from? They sold their T-Mobile shares. Now, I'm a fan of T-Mobile stock. He has done a fantastic job over the years. I think the CEO is John Legere in running a company very much like Spotify, where others have failed to do it, to take on the AT&Ts of the world and the Verizons as far as plans, sell plans. T-Mobile has been an earnings powerhouse. Over the last five years, it's averaged 21% per year in earnings growth year over year. They just had a big quarter with 24% growth in earnings. But the stock's been under a little bit of pressure here recently, and now I know why. It looks like SoftBank has been unloading their position, and they got rid of the last bit of it, and that's why it's down today, selling 21.5 million T-Mobile shares for 224 each. You might want to look at it as a relative value play here because it's trading now at about 18 times forward earnings. It's a $252 billion company. It also pays a dividend of 1.6%. So that's why TMUS is selling off today as SoftBank, big Japanese publicly traded private equity fund. They own public stocks too. Unwinds its position. The global pharma stocks. It's not a good place to be in 2025. They have a couple of things hanging over their head. One, a lot of them don't have very robust pipelines at all. And two, actually there's three things. Two is the threat of tariffs. Trump has kind of laid off imposing tariffs on pharmaceutical goods. because of the impact that that might have on public health. And then you've got the fight to, you know what, whatever the lowest price is in the world, that's what they should be charging U.S. people, people in the U.S., ZepFound comes to mind, which costs $100 in Europe and about $900 in America. What gives there? I told you I'd have an answer for you. I didn't see my friend, my contact there when I was at church on Sunday, but I will get to him. I know he knows the answer to that. I'm guessing it has something to do with the socialized medicine. in Canada and Europe and other countries, where a lot of that price that you pay for a drug is subsidized by the money they extract from your paycheck in the form of higher taxes than what we pay here in the U.S. That's just my guess, or we're getting ripped off by the drug companies, or a little bit of each. That's probably more like it. Okay, you've got a new player in China in A.I., You know, that was a big pivot point in the market earlier this year, especially in the AI stocks. When the news of DeepSeek broke, China had their own version of AI to compete with our OpenAI, ChatGPT, and others. And they were able to do it supposedly with a lot less of the high-speed NVIDIA chips than we do it with. Now there's a new player, China's Minimax. Minimax claims new AI reasoning model surpasses DeepSeq. Okay, Minimax is backed by Tencent Holdings and Alibaba. If you're looking for value and you're able to put up with the volatility that comes with Chinese stocks, Alibaba's got a PE of 13 right now. which is about one-half of what our tech stocks are trading at, even more so than one-half. But Alibaba does have exposure to this AI stock that's private, China's Minimax, and Tencent Holdings, TCEHY, both very tradable on the U.S. markets. I like Tencent myself better than I like Alibaba. Because Tencent's a lot more diversified. Tencent's a $610 billion company, probably headed for a trillion at some point in time. It's up 44 cents on that news. Their investment in Minimax AI, which supposedly is better than DeepSeek's platform. Here's some good news coming out of Slovakia on nuclear for a couple of nuclear stocks that we've talked about. And I'm going to mention them again here related to this story. Slovakia is nearing a deal for Westinghouse to build a nuclear reactor. Well, Westinghouse is a U.S. company, and we've talked about that several times. Slovakia operates five nuclear reactors at two plants. They plan to expand its nuclear power capacity in the coming decades, and the government approved plans last year for a new unit owned by the state and operational by 2040. You see how long out that is? 2040. 15 years to make that thing operational You know the soonest we'll have new nuclear power is probably by 2030 in different areas around the world but that Westinghouse again is a 51% owned by BEP which is, let's see, BEP, that stands for, let me look that up real quickly, Brookfield, Brookfield Renewable Properties. And the other 49% is owned by Cameco, CCJ, which is the big uranium company. But it looks like there's going to be a deal with Slovakia for a brand new, spanking brand new power plant, nuclear power plant. in Slovakia by 2040. And speaking of nuclear, Oklo hits a new all-time high yesterday, leading the nuclear stocks after closing a $440 million capital raise. Okay, what is meant by a capital raise? Well, that means that they printed up some stock certificates on top of the stock certificates they already have which dilutes. I mean, you take the market cap of the company, you divide it by the amount of shares outstanding, and when you increase those shares outstanding, you're going to get a diluted number In book value, you're going to get a diluted number in price to cash flow, price to earnings, price to sales, etc. But it did surge yesterday. Oklo, which is headquartered in the Silicon Valley. It's kind of the nuclear stock of the Silicon Valley. It's pretty strong again today. It's up 1.5%. It's almost a $10 billion company. No sales. No sales yet. Maybe by 2030. They've got some customers that they're trying to get commitments from. And they also announced that they were selected by the U.S. Department of Defense to supply its emerging nuclear reactor technology to power the Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska. So that's an interesting thing there. I mean, to power an entire Air Force Base. I don't know what the timeline is on that, but they do have a customer in the U.S. government now. And that's what drove the stock. And yesterday, and of course, the AI revolution happened. And the big need, when you've got stocks like Nano, Denison Mines, NuScale, Uranium Energy, Cameco, etc., all big players in that resurgent nuclear sector. We'll be right back.
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Stocks Now show. Well, the crazy stocks of the day. I wish I'd have known about this one because Eli Lilly coming to town and taking out a company by the name of Verve Therapeutics. The symbol V-E-R-V. Verve is up 76% today. out of Boston, Massachusetts. I was looking at what Verve does. They develop therapies for cardiovascular disease by combining human genetic analysis and gene editing treatment, which is interesting. We recently had the very first drug coming out of this whole gene editing movement. It came, I think, from CRISPR, C-R-S-P. Well, Verve is in that business. Verve has got some sales. They have a product. So, you know, Lilly... Lilly's got a lot of cash floating around, and they step up to the plate, and they're paying, you know, just about a billion dollars, $1.3 billion, write a check, and add Verve to their portfolio, V-E-R-V. Did I see that one coming? I don't know. Let's just look at the Best Stocks Now app and see if Verve was showing any kinds of signs there. ticking underneath the surface. Well, it was ranked number 1,199. It had a momentum grade of B+. So, yeah, I mean, there were really no signs that that was coming along. And then the crazy stock, the crazy, crazy, crazy stock of the day, Justin Sun is a big digital investor, well-known guy. He came up with Tron, T-R-O-N. That's a cryptocurrency group founded. He's a billionaire, and he's going to go public. But what they're doing is they're going to back into a toy maker, SRM, SRM, and do a reverse merger. And as a result, SRM, which was really an unknown stock before yesterday, SRM yesterday I want to say was a 500, it was a five bagger in one day on that news. Today it's down 22%, but I did add it to my app today. I try to, anytime I see something new like that. Yeah, it was up 534% today. SRM, which until today manufactured battery-operated toys, intended to be sold to customers in amusement parks. Okay, so basically, you throw a dart at the balloon and they give you some crappy little prize, you know, for hitting the balloon. It only costs you five bucks. They're headquartered in Winter Park, Florida, so I'm guessing there must be an amusement park there in Winter Park. That's probably why they call it Winter Park. SRM Entertainment, the crazy, crazy, crazy stock of the day. It has been added to the app. We'll keep our eye on it. And Tron is the new game in town there. Tom Brady Back Company aims to disrupt the athletic apparel and footwear industry. Here comes another one. It's not publicly traded yet. I remember when Under Armour came along and took on Nike. Hoka Shoes by Deckers definitely has taken on Nike. Now meet no bull, which I tend to give that label to the Best Docs Now show. No bull and no bull in the newsletter. It's just there's the facts. Here's what I see. Here's what I observe. There's no bull. I'm not supporting any one stock or I'm not pitching any stock or anything like that. But that's the name of the company, Noble, and it evolved from the niche CrossFit brand, which I see around quite a bit. A couple of industry veterans in there, Mike Repol and Tom Brady, Boston-based company. It's going to take on the big boys. It is a private stock right now. Just what Brady needs, you know, a little bit more money there in his coffers. But no bull has grown enough to become a competitive threat to a wide range of established athletic apparel companies, including Nike, Under Armour, UA, Lululemon, Decker's Outdoor, Brooks. Allbirds and Bandier, as well as newer brands Rad, Strike Movement, and Born Primitive. Kraft Heinz removing all artificial dyes from the remaining 10% of its products. Well, we can thank RFK for that. They say only 10% of their products have artificial dyes in them, but the remaining products that still have those artificial dyes, which RFK, that was one of the first moves he made as the human HHS secretary, was banning red dyes and artificial dyes. Kraft Heinz is going to comply and get rid of the remaining little bit and have to spend a lot of money to do it. That's the problem. Ferrari will delay their second electric vehicle model due to concerns about demand. I mean, do you really want an electric Ferrari to come home and plug it in? You know, that's like having a Learjet with propellers. You know, you're running it on propellers when it's a Learjet. Not a lot of demand. They're pushing off plans. In fact, that whole EV space has definitely got some clouds hanging over it other than even Tesla's got clouds hanging over it. Ventix says Parkinson's disease drug hits main goal and mid-stage trial. This is another one I added to the app. I really don't see much movement in that stock. You always wonder, is this a big breakthrough in Parkinson's disease? Well, I look at the stock. And it's really not moving that much. Ventix Biosciences. It's actually down 14.6%. It's out of San Diego, California. That's where I'm from. It's a $151 million company. We're always rooting for a cure to Parkinson's disease. And then the last one here. This kind of caught my eye a little bit. The Smart Shopping Cart. a z i added this one to my app this morning they get an order for 3 000 smart carts as you go around with your shopping cart put things in the it totally you know update your cart and how much you owe and what this and that what kind of coupons are available kind of a good idea we'll keep an eye on a z we're out of time for today You're in the neighborhood, 7 p.m. tonight in Lakewood Ranch, Florida at the Even Hotel. And if you'd like to set up an appointment with us, 855-611-BEST, 855-611-BEST. Have a great day, everybody.
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In this thought-provoking episode of The Kim Monson Show, explore the theme of resilience as Kim and her guests tackle the growing tension between personal freedoms and government mandates. Whether it's through discussing property rights or the implications of the latest legal headlines, Kim emphasizes the vital role of informed citizens in shaping public discourse. Mary Jansen joins the conversation, offering expertise on local zoning issues in Lakewood, which threaten to alter the landscape of property ownership and community living. Her insights reveal the potential consequences of legislative changes and stress the importance of vigilance and public awareness. Listeners will also benefit from the contributions of long-standing sponsors such as Laramie Energy and the Roger Mangat State Farm Insurance Team. These segments not only highlight community involvement but reinforce the significance of resilient, reliable resources in challenging times.
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Indeed, let's have a conversation. And welcome to The Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And we've got another great show planned for you, so fasten your seatbelts. Check out the website. That is kimmonson.com. That's M-O-N-S-O-N.com. While you're there, make sure you're signed up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays. You'll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com. Text line is 720-605-0647. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it's not compassionate nor altruistic to take other people's rights, property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, childhoods, or lives via force. Force can be a weapon, but we see it with policy and unpredictable in excess of taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites playing that out in the United Nations themselves. Colorado State Legislature, this governor, Colorado governor. And then land use codes, zoning regulations. We'll talk with Mary Jansen about a whole rewrite that Lakewood is doing on their zoning. We had Karen Gorday on yesterday talking about this. And so this changes property rights significantly. And so all of these different things can be taking your stuff. And property, owning property was inherent within the American idea. And remember, my friends, if something's a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. And on the show, we focus on the issues, and we'll talk about the people involved in those issues. We really work to stay out of all the personality fighting out there. I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show, because it's reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal. that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And Bob Boswell, the CEO of Laramie Energy, will be our featured guest later on in this hour. And we'll be talking initially about the Trump's EPA, Environmental Protection Agency, is moving to repeal power plant emissions rules. I think this is a pretty big deal, but we'll talk with Bob about that. Our word of the day is resilience. And it is R-E-S-I-L-I-E-N-C-E. And it's the ability to recover quickly from illness, change, or misfortune. Buoyancy. It could be the property of a material that enables it to resume its original shape or position after being bent, stretched, or compressed. So elasticity. or the act of springing back, rebounding, or resilient. And so resilience, R-E-S-I-L-I-E-N-C-E, is I think that the American people, and in particular the people of Colorado, are very resilient. And we will have a lot of resilience as we are fighting to reclaim this beautiful state and country that we love. And it's anonymous on our quote of the day, but resilience means the ability to recover, adapt, and grow through adversity. And so your challenge is to use the word resilience or resiliency in a sentence form. today. Also, I wanted to say thank you to Hooters Restaurants for their sponsorship of the show. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs, and great sponsors of both the Kim Monson Show and America's Veterans Stories. And speaking of America's Veterans Stories, I was out at Fort Logan yesterday as World War II, Iwo Jima, Battle of Iwo Jima, veteran Don Whipple was laid to rest. His memorial service is a little bit later today, and I will certainly be going to that as well. But these stories of our veterans, these men and women that put their lives on the line for us, it's so important that we hear them and we remember and we reflect, and that's why we do America's Veterans Stories. That's on Sunday afternoons, 3 to 4 p.m., And Hooters Restaurants is a great sponsor of both of the shows. And again, they have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Check out their lunch specials Monday through Friday, and they also have happy hour specials as well. Let's see, this evening I'm going to be speaking at the Chainsaw Caucus. Thank you, Hannah Goodman, for inviting me. And we'll be talking about the great work that the Colorado Union of Taxpayers does. And the Colorado Union of Taxpayers is an all-volunteer group. We are watching legislation. I think that we'll be looking at ballot initiatives and some of these local tax questions as well. But this is an all-volunteer group. When you see these people, say thank you. And that's Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, David Evans, Corey Onizori, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And I thank all of them for being fellow Colorado Union of Taxpayers board members. We'd love to have you join us. We're working on our ratings report for the 2025 legislature. And go to our website. That's coloradotaxpayer.org. And you can sign up there. The show does come to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour is rebroadcast 10 to 11 at night. And that is on all KLZ.org. platforms, KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And then within typically about 24 hours, all the shows can be found at Spotify and iTunes as well. Going through some of these headlines, the first one is the jury Returns the verdict. This is from Nine News in the MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell's Denver defamation trial. And hold on here. Let me get to it. Says a jury found MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell liable in the defamation case brought by former Dominion Voting Systems executive Eric Coomer. and that the decision came down yesterday. It says, Lindell made several claims, and again, this is from Nine News, okay? Lindell made several claims that Dominion Voting Systems and Coomer rigged the 2020 presidential election over the years, but the jury found Lindell himself was responsible for only two of them, one made on May 9, 2021, and one on April 6, 2022. It says Lindell owes Coomer $440,500 in combined economic and non-economic damages. The jury did not find that Lindell had acted recklessly and similarly did not find he inflicted emotional distress or participate in a civil conspiracy against Coomer. The jury found Lindell's company, Frank Speech, liable for three statements made on the platform and found the company did both act recklessly and inflict emotional distress on Coomer. Frank Speech owes Coomer $1,865,500 in combined economic, non-economic, and punitive damages. Lindell's company, MyPillow, wasn't found liable at all. In total, Coomer is coming away with a fraction of what he asked for, a total of $2.3 million, as opposed to $62.7 million. Only $300,000 of that is punitive damages, which are meant to punish a defendant and serve as an example to others. And so I think that Coomer makes his statement, and then according to Lindell, the verdict was a win for free speech. He said, my pillow is 100% vindicated, and it's a huge breakthrough for free speech and our First Amendment rights. He said the jury's decision is not going to stop him from speaking out against election rigging, and more specifically from making the claims he's been making all along. You would think I'm not going to tell them that they're blocking our elections from getting secure. I will keep up the fight, Lindell said. You know, am I going to say let's melt them voting machines down and turn them into prison bars? Yeah, probably. So I think given all of this, it's relatively positive, I think, for Lindell. So next headline that I found, this is from Nine News also, is Colorado takes down campaign finance reporting site after the Minnesota lawmaker shootings. And it says the Secretary of State's office said the decision was made to briefly take down the website out of an abundance of caution for the safety of Colorado's elected leaders after consulting with state and legislative leadership. Colorado's Transparency in Contribution and Expenditure Reporting Tracer database is where you can find campaign-related information about candidates. That includes affidavits to run for office and campaign finance reports, which often include a candidate's home address and phone number, unless they are requested to be redacted. The database can also include names and home or work addresses for campaign donors. A campaign and political finance rule allows the removal of personal information from the database if someone believes their safety or a family member's safety is at risk because of information disclosed on any campaign finance registration or report. The Secretary of State's office did not say when the website would be back up. And I find that interesting. very interesting that they would do that. And in fact, I was looking something up on Tracer the other morning and it said the site was down for service. And I thought, huh, that's super interesting. Now we know why. And then a couple of things from California. This high-speed rail in California is costing billions of dollars. It's kind of from nowhere to nowhere. And this is being reported by the Tampa Free Press. It says California CHSRA, their railroad, demands federal dollars, federal tax dollars for high-speed rail boondoggle. And it says it acknowledged that its high-speed rail project has a $7 billion funding gap and hundreds of miles to complete, but the state is still demanding that the Trump administration keep federal funds flowing. The California High Speed Rail Authority, CHSRA, sent a letter on Thursday demanding that the Department of Transportation walk back its threat to pull roughly $4 billion from the state's oft-delayed efforts to connect major cities by bullet train. The CHSRA called the Trump administration's threat unwarranted and unjustified. I'm like, wait a minute. You're way behind schedule. The cost is significant. People probably aren't going to ride it. It's significantly subsidized. And so anyway, they said it's unwarranted, unjustified. I have to say that I agree with the Trump administration on this. And we have these important discussions because we have amazing sponsors. And one of those is the Roger Mangat State Farm Insurance Team. 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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And are you ready for financial freedom? Well, call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. As an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they always put your interests first. Mint means more than money. It stands for a meaningful relationship, information sharing, a network of smart strategies, and a thoughtful advisor who puts you in control. No cookie cutter plans. Everything's tailored to you. Call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080. That's 303-285-3080. Pleased to have on the line with me my fellow cut board member, and that is Mary Janssen with Janssen Photography. Mary, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. This is a soggy, soggy, soggy morning.
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It is a soggy morning. I was a little surprised. I hadn't really paid attention to the weather. But I never complain. Being a Kansas farm girl, I never complain about rain. We always like rain.
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Correct. Yes. Right when I get everything watered yesterday and now it rains. Well, thank you for watering because that's why it rained. So thank you. Right. Yes. I'm out at the airport. I had to drop my son off. I'm at the cell phone lot sitting here for our interview.
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OK, well, good. Well. So, Mary, you are Mary Jansen is a fellow cut board member, Colorado Union Taxpayer Board member. But you also served on Lakewood City Council. And we had Karen Gorday on yesterday. And she has done a deep dive into this zoning rewrite in Lakewood, which is a significant, I think, assault upon property rights. But what's your perspective on it?
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Well, so I served 2022 and 2023. And back then, they were doing all this housing development, housing this, you know, affordable. We need affordable housing. We have a crisis. We have to get these people houses and get them homes. So there was this big push. And there. And you know what, I'm not at my office, I don't have my bill numbers. So I'm just going to kind of describe them.
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And the one of them was the right of first refusal, which I thought was kind of strange, which was for government would have the right of first refusal to purchase apartment buildings, I think, above a certain amount of units, right?
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Correct. Yes. And I'm starting to connect the dots of why that was in there. And, and I was on the legislative committee and also the mayor, and I was a minority voter, but I felt like I was there to shine a light, right? Say, okay, I got to figure out what all this stuff means. And so my other fellow counselor who was on my side, there was only two of us. So there were three against two and the three always were right at us, but they had to come to, we had to vote in synchrony for support. And we would support the state legislative bills. Well, this one came up and I looked at my fellow counselor and I said, I don't think this is right. And now I know why. Because in the zoning that Karen uncovered, it says in there that they're going to raise our, it will raise our property values. Well, of course, if you raise property values, what happens?
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Your taxes go up.
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Our taxes go up. And if they're bringing in all these apartment houses and we're just flooded, so we have all these empty apartment houses. And then also there was rent control, too. And if you see the rent control, and of course I voted that down, too, so they weren't able to pass anything when Rich and I were on council because we were against all that. But of course, as soon as I left, I saw all this stuff going through the state legislative. And then that city council, they weren't, I don't even think they were even paying attention to what was going on. So that stuff all passed. And then when those prices go up, those apartment houses, they can't afford to keep it. So they go to sell their apartment, but they have to go to the government first. Yeah. What's going to happen? We're going to have all this government housing?
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That worked out really well for Chicago, didn't it?
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Correct. I mean, this is the model, but there's so far, there's so many steps ahead of us. And having someone like Karen shine the light on this, it's amazing. It was a total God moment. But it has been in place for quite a while. So people say, well, I don't want to be the only one on council that's going to be the no vote. And you say, well, sometimes you're the flashlight, right?
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Right, right, right, right, right. Hold on here. And I wanted to get to this text between. you and karen because i think she said that her piece was published maybe she emailed me that her piece was published i'll have to find that which was really shedding light on all of this as well and that that was like in the lakewood recorder is that right do you remember
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The Lakewood Informer.
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Informer. Okay.
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Yeah, I suggest everyone get a subscription to that because people just don't know what's going on. And you know what? Our government wants it like that. They just don't want to tell you what's going on because they think they know what's best for you. Yeah, and it's interesting. When I went online to try to see what what the zoning amendments were, there's nothing posted. So how can they run these meetings, these open meetings when they're not posting anything?
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Yes, and so you and I were going to talk a little bit about strategy because I also was on city council, and there can be a real political strategy to get things passed without the public's real knowledge. And I had a situation where it was, oh, gosh, it was, now I can't remember what it was called, but it would be for that whole big development on the east side of of i-25 ridge gate and we kept uh knowing that they were going to do some changes to that and i kept asking what are those changes and i was on city council didn't get an answer didn't get an answer then finally the meeting right before christmas The mayor put it on the agenda and I got notification on like Thursday or Friday. The meeting was on Tuesday and I talked to the city manager and I said, oh, I'm surprised this is here. I've been asking about it. I said, but they'll have to be a second reading. And he said, whatever it was, he goes, no, there doesn't have to be a second reading. So they put it on right before Christmas. Nobody's paying attention. Didn't have to do a second reading. And there you go. It's done. Right. And so you and I both seen those strategies to hide it. Ultimately, it hides it from the public.
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Yes, it does. It totally does. After... you think you're doing something and you're not. So like I said, the only thing you can do is just shed the light and let the public know and use your resources, use CUT. So they're reading the bills. And so you can kind of understand, oh, this is a bad bill. And also use things like the Lakewood Informer, which actually has amazing, everybody says it's misinformation. It's not, it's not. These people that are writing for the Lakewood Informer are, actually fact-based. They know what they're doing. And so if you read that, you're getting informed. Everybody needs to get informed.
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Well, and this whole zoning rewrite, there's not much transparency in it whatsoever, is there?
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No, not when they they don't post anything and they say, trust us. I remember another counselor said, just trust us. And I remember one of them saying, well, we can't we can't do anything because Mary's going to just let everybody know what's going on. And I'm like, yes.
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You betcha. Like you say. This is so significant. People will be living on top of each other. They'll be driving around trying to find places to park. And the agenda here is to put people into apartment buildings and make it so difficult for them to have vehicles that they won't have vehicles. I don't know how you would have an electric vehicle in all that density. I know that there are some people that could figure it out. But there can't be electric vehicle chargers all around there. Ultimately, all this is an assault upon human flourishing and freedom and being able to go where you want to when you want to and being able to buy your home. All of this is an assault upon individual freedom, ultimately, Mary.
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It is. It is. And you know what? They are training our kids at school to not want that. They want them to say, well, you're not going to have any of that. So we're going to offer you the better thing where we're going to take care of you and we're going to tell you what to do and you'll be happy.
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Yeah, well, that's antithetical to human freedom. Using the word from yesterday or a derivative of the word from yesterday, that's incongruent with freedom. And that's why we've got to shed light on this. What's your last thought that you want to leave with our listeners, Mary Jansen, regarding this whole Lakewood zoning rewrite?
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I'm hoping there's a huge protest against it. I'm hoping that people come out and say, no more, we've had enough. You know, we've got to do some changes, big changes, big changes for our Lakewood. We need to get back to freedom and the Constitution. and following the Constitution so people, instead of saying, I'm for the environment, I'm for this, you know, well, no, if somebody says that for the Constitution and they're going to stand by it and help the people, that's the person you need to vote for because these elections really do have consequences. And one more thing has nothing to do, well, it has everything to do with everything. Radiant painting, radiant painting and lighting came out to my house And because the weather's been so bad, because I had an indoor project and I let you, you know, I live in this 130 year old home and it's quite a challenge to paint plaster. And I have all this woodwork and I have been putting off this painting job because it's just a big one. And I called Karen and I said, can you come out and look at this? And she got me right in. And yesterday her crew came out and I can't believe how fast they are. They got it all done, trimmed, painted and done. And they were out of there by three o'clock and it was all done. And now my house looks absolutely stunning. It looks radiant. It looks radiant. And I'm radiant because I don't have to look at these dirty walls anymore.
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Oh, you're pretty amazing. And all your listeners are very amazing. Yes. We've got to keep fighting. Got to keep up the good fight.
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We do. And we've got to continue to stand for property rights and human flourishing. So, Mary Jansen, thank you for the update. We will talk to you very soon. Thank you, Kim. Have a good day. And right back at you. And another great sponsor of the show is Karen Levine, Remax Realtor. If you're going to buy a home, sell a home, look at a new build, you want her on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. We were just talking about Lakewood, and next door in Golden is the USMC Memorial Center. the official Marine Memorial. It's at 6th and Colfax. It was dedicated in 1977. It's time for a facelift, and Paula Sarles and her team is working on that. She is the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation, and you can help them by making a contribution. Go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That's usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is a great show sponsor, and that is Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy. Bob, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 12 :
Good morning, Kim.
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It's good to have you. And Colorado's still pretty difficult regarding our oil and natural gas and coal industries. But there's some real positive things, I think, on the national level. I saw this from the Associated Press. The Trump EPA is moving to repeal the crime climate rules that limit greenhouse gas emissions from U.S. power plants. This is pretty huge, isn't it, Bob?
SPEAKER 12 :
I think it's part of a change that's past due. A lot of the climate change rhetoric is centered around CO2, carbon dioxide, which is a product that burns from carbon. All things living are made of carbon, including humans. Our bodies and everything else consists of carbon. And CO2 is nature's fertilizer, and I've said this before that Today, the Earth has about 400 parts per million. It dies at less than 100, and it's most affluent or most fertile at around 1,100. So the theories on increasing temperature and how that's going to affect mankind are simply theories that have mostly negative connotations that are often utilized to try to affect policies, which get more control more centralization i think it works against general societal purposes
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and centralization of just about anything can lead to control. And, of course, the founders realized that. That's why the American idea has the decentralizing of power in government. So I think everything that can be decentralized should be decentralized. Yesterday, Bob, I had found a headline that said the ice cap down in Antarctica is growing. And you mentioned climate change, and I'll make a quick plug for a Climate Conversation documentary. You can watch it for free at aclimateconversation.com. We've got a great series of podcasts with experts and scientists as well, and it is the project of Walt Johnson. But what I've learned in all of this climate change narrative, Bob, is it's based on – certain modeling and so it's not necessarily based totally it's based on modeling which you can get models to say i think many times maybe whatever you want and so getting this stop what's that
SPEAKER 12 :
I'm sorry. I've got an interruption from Alexa.
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, okay. Oh, I got it. Okay. And so they're using these models to then control so many aspects of our lives. And I love the fact that the Trump administration is pushing back on these models because you can get these models to say just about anything you want.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that's true. And they've fault in that is often these models are linear and unfortunately or fortunately the earth doesn't and the models aren't necessarily linear so you can take any trend and extrapolate it forever and you can get a result that may not be accurate because the trends are not always linear and that's one of the things that the models create a lot of discrepancies and And a lot of the models are funded by the government to try to figure out different occasions, what might occur in the future and that sort of thing. And what has happened is we've seen a lot of these scientists get underwritten research to extrapolate their theories of one thing or another, often of which are not true, one of which is climate change. A lot of it is affected by the tail of the earth and it rotates around the sun, and it changes over 186,000 years, and that degree of tilt will influence the heat of the earth more so than anything related to CO2. So modeling is modeling, and there's an interesting evolution going on now as artificial intelligence, and there's coming waves of understanding, some of which will probably be fairly well underwritten by the use of data out of artificial intelligence. Some of it will be very constructive, and some of it may have some negative consequences. How man manages these models or this intelligence is going to be increasingly important.
SPEAKER 20 :
It is. It's going to be really, really important. I'm watching this whole AI thing with a lot of great interest as well. I should say I'm really watching the data collection. I think the AI component is super interesting. But the other part of all this is all the data collection on individuals. And that's one of the things that has me concerned, Bob Boswell.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I think that's one element of it. The ability to manage masses and amounts of data will affect both positively and negatively, and that's what we need to manage. And we'll need to do this through kind of really collaboration among the different providers of AI and the different providers. software information that comes out of it. There's a really good book called The Coming Wave. It's by Mustafa Suleiman, and it talks about technology, power, and our dilemma of the 21st century, and that is how do we extract the positive elements of this artificial intelligent revolution and control the negative aspects of it. That's information, things that can be presented that look very well-founded but are inaccurate or used as disinformation. It can be very negative and has to be really understood and in a collaboration managed globally, not just in the United States.
SPEAKER 20 :
Right. And what's that book again, The Coming Wave?
SPEAKER 12 :
The coming wave, yes.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. Okay. Very, very good. So going back to the Trump administration, there are so many positive things that I see regarding the oil, gas, and coal industry, and also rolling back these regulations on light bulbs and getting rid of the EV mandate. If people want an EV, it should compete in the the free market and from an economic standpoint but to get rid of whenever you hear the word mandate that's force so there's a lot of really positive things that lee zeldin is doing over at the epa well there's a lot of things that he's undoing that were negative um you know the some of the goals that have been mandated in california was to being uh
SPEAKER 12 :
you know, all renewables by a certain period of time, the same thing in Colorado. Those take away consumer choice. And unfortunately, you know, the reality of renewables is that they're intermittent. They're not reliable, and they have to be backed up by carbon-backed type of fuel, such as coal or natural gas or fuel oil. And that means you have to double the system. because the backups have to make up for the deficiencies associated with unreliable renewables. So you have to double the cost, and that's passed on to the consumer. And that's kind of the reality of what we're dealing with. Renewables have a role, but they're a supplement, not a replacement. And so what the Trump administration is doing is recognizing kind of the reality of the science of renewables the reliability of the different fuel choices and taking away these mandates and saying it's got to be consumer choice. And consumer choice is usually based upon cost and reliability.
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which that seems to make a lot of sense. Bob Boswell, let's go to break. When we come back, I want to talk a bit about Colorado. And last month when you were on, you were talking about a little town that receives significant money from the work that I think your company does. And we were a little shocked. At the cost of a new school, we had a lot of people that had really reached out about that. So I want to talk about oil and gas development and exploration here in Colorado. We're talking with Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy, and they're great sponsors of the show, and also John Bozen with Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo, on the beautiful Riverwalk in Pueblo. And the center is focused on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. They're nonpolitical. They're nonpartisan. But they do this through their K-12 educational programs. They're on values presentations and then also honoring our Medal of Honor recipients with their beautiful portraits of valor. So I'd recommend that you take the kids down to Pueblo and the Center for American Values sometime this summer. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. Talking with Bob Boswell, he is the CEO of Laramie Energy and they're great goal sponsors of the show. I greatly appreciate that. And I also appreciate reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy. Because that, Bob Boswell, is one of the foundations for people to be able to go after their hopes and dreams, to enjoy their families, to go to their jobs, all of those things. And the oil and gas and coal industry has been under regulatory attack at the national level with the O'Biden-Harris administration. But it's still under attack from what I can see here in Colorado. And you operate primarily on the western slope, is that right?
SPEAKER 12 :
That's correct, yes. It's known as the Peons Basin, and it's a natural gas basin.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. And the oil and gas industry pays significant taxes, right, like severance taxes or fees to both local and state governments?
SPEAKER 12 :
That's correct, yes. We have relatively high assessments at the state and the local level, which helps support the state and the communities. The issue is not so much the assessments and the taxation as it is the regulations. And we need regulations set by reality and not by ideology. And what we've had in the state of Colorado is more the ideological movement that are looking towards all renewables, no emissions, and, frankly, a reduction in power and an increase in cost. And we have worked with our state regulators. Some of the regulations are important and good, and the industry has complied with them, and the emissions... have been brought down. Others are overreaching, expensive, and work against the best interests of the state and the communities. It's that balance that's important. And the elected representatives need to be driven more by the reality of power and the cost as opposed to some type of ideological all renewables by a date that's unrealistic and And the only really reliable and renewable, which is not a renewable, but is nuclear power. And that's an important element of power in the future, but it is in the future and it will take time to get it built and as a replacement or as an addition to our power supply from fossil fuels.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, well, let's play this out a little bit further than Bob Boswell. So first of all, as I'm looking out the window and seeing cars go up and down the street, and when I was headed into the studio, I saw typically early in the morning, there's all kinds of pickup trucks, and these are are people that have maybe small businesses or they're going to construction jobs, and they need reliable, efficient, and affordable fuel prices to really make their businesses go and grow. And so we have taken that for granted, and it's been under investigation. As you mentioned, regulatory attack. But then also as the producer out on the Western Slope, you had mentioned a little town that you pay significant assessments to. I don't know what the exact term is. But they've been able to, they're building a new school, which is a very expensive school, which I have to question that. But let's say that you play this ideological thing out with the state legislature and you get rid of, well, natural gas and coal and go to all renewables, which is subsidized and more expensive and unreliable. And where does all that money then come from for these little communities, for their schools or for the state of Colorado, for all of the money that the oil and gas and natural gas and coal industry have put into the coffers of the state for education?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, the example is in Colburn, Colorado, where we operate. It's a relatively small community. The school has 250 students, and the renovation and rebuilding of the school is some $70 million. Part of it, which is supplemented with outside funds, some forms of different government funds, but the dominance of the bond will need to be paid by taxes in this small community. And currently, our company... operating in the area pays 80% of those taxes that will underwrite the school. And if we don't grow and if we cease operations because of regulations that are overbearing, this small town will go bankrupt or the taxes associated with these small ranching rural communities such as Cobran will have to go up five times of what they are right now. So it's just, you know, again, good intentions, wrong math in terms of what could be afforded by this community and And it's going to be a burden on the community. And, you know, to the extent we can continue to grow, we'll be able to continue to supplement and help pay off that bond. But to the extent that they compromise our ability to operate, that will have that burden fall on the people of this small community.
SPEAKER 20 :
That is serious. Have the folks of this small community realized this yet? Because this is a very important reality.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, and we've been working with them. This was brought to them as a grand idea, and the school was going to be built, a modern school. The school that was there was a nice school, but it was a large expenditure, and they just sold the community on it. we're going to build this school, and the community was all excited about it and signed up, and they started going forward. And then we actually pointed out to them and had meetings say, listen, this is what you're dealing with. And they weren't really cognizant of the cost and how this was going to affect them personally. You know, they just considered that the taxes would come from the businesses there, particularly oil and gas. We said, well, here's the dilemma. If we're not able to develop, then those assessments from us will go down and you'll be behind on the bonds. And the only way to try to meet that is by increasing the assessments to each of you individually. So they're in a quandary about that. They recognize it now. It's too far along to change anything. So we will just have to see how it plays out, and we'll certainly work with the community. They're friends in the community. We've been there some time. We'll try to work together to solve the dilemma.
SPEAKER 20 :
That is a real dilemma, and I just did a quick calculation. $70 million, 250 students, that's $280,000 per student, and that's a lot of money for anywhere. So this is the thing.
SPEAKER 12 :
I'd rather be paying it to teachers than that. And the infrastructure.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. Well, and to that point, even these little two-room schoolhouses out on the prairie, those kids had amazing educations. You can just take a look at the eighth grade exam for out in Saline County, Kansas. Just do a quick search on that. It's amazing what those kids knew. So, yeah, this is without any teachers or anything as well.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 20 :
Wow. So this is why it's important that we really kick the tires on these ideas and on these questions that come to our ballot, Bob Boswell.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. And that's why the public needs to be well informed. And that's why. Communication avenues such as your show are so important to reach out to the community so people can understand the potential effects of what these policy changes that are being underwritten or advanced in the state.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and then also property taxes. I'm thinking farming and ranching. They're getting squeezed many different ways as well, just as you are in the oil and gas industry, Bob Boswell. So do you see any rumblings from Jared Polis, the legislature, in starting to be more supportive of the oil and gas industry?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I think Governor Polis has recognized more of the overregulation, the consequences of that, and has been trying to work with his party and has actually vetoed certain elements of it. So I think there is a recognition, but it's nascent. The problem we've got in Colorado is our government is larger than we need right now. Our You know, for years we ran a surplus, but today we're running a $1.2 billion deficit. And we've had the Tabor Act that says, you know, that you need to have a public vote for increased taxes. And the way the government's gotten around it is by putting in these fees. And they've had some 21 different new fees, a couple of which have been on the oil and gas industry, which is A WAY TO GET AROUND THE TAPER ACT AND THE INCREASE IN TAXES. SO THE BUDGET NEEDS TO BE RECONCILED CONSTRUCTIVELY. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A GOVERNMENT AND PAY FOR IT WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE THE DEFICIT THAT WE'RE NOW EXPERIENCING AT THE STATE LEVEL. SO WE'VE GONE FROM A SURFLESS TO A DEFICIT AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT SPENDING.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, yes, we do need to reduce the size and scope of government. Bob Boswell, we are out of time. Thank you to Laramie Energy. You are the CEO. I greatly appreciate these conversations. We'll talk with you next month.
SPEAKER 12 :
Great. Thank you, Kim.
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Indeed, let's have a conversation, and welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You're each treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And great information today, great conversation with Bob Boswell so that we start to understand all the intricacies of taxes and supporting our oil and gas and coal industries. And I thank Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show so that we can have these conversations. conversations about these important issues. Check out the website. That is kimmonson.com. While you're there, sign up for our weekly email newsletter that comes out on Sundays. You'll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com the text line is 720-605-0647 and thank you to all of you who support us we're an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something's a good idea you should not have to force people to do it On the show, we focus on the issues, and we'll talk about the people pushing those issues, but we work diligently to stay out of the whole personality infighting thing. And the show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday, first hour rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon, second hour 10 to 11 at night, and that is on all KLZ 560 platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, The KLZ website and the KLZ app. Our word of the day is resilience, and it is R-E-S-I-L-I-E-N-C-E. It's a noun. Number one, it could be the ability to recover quickly from illness, change, or misfortune. Buoyancy. Number two, the property of a material that enables it to resume its original shape or position after being bent, stretched, or compressed. So elasticity. And lastly, the act of springing back, rebounding, or resilient. And the quote of the day is anonymous. And it is, resilience means the ability to recover, adapt, and grow with adversity. And resiliency, I was thinking about Don Whipple recently. His whole story is pretty amazing at the Battle of Iwo Jima. Don recently passed on. Yesterday was his service at Fort Logan before his burial. Today there will be a service up at his church, a memorial service. But he had been injured at the battle, had been back on a hospital ship. But he and another guy figured out a way. They wanted to go get back into the battle. And he shows back up, and his commanding officer, so they got on a boat and were able to get back over to the battle. And he comes up to his commanding officer. He said, Whipple, I thought you were injured. But that was the resiliency that he showed at such a young age. What an inspirational story. And so your word of the day is resilience, and it means the ability to recover, adapt, and grow with adversity. And earlier in the show, first hour, we talked with Mary Jansen. She's a fellow Cup board member and former Lakewood City Councilwoman. And talking about this zoning rewrite in Lakewood. And we were referencing Karen Gorday's article. And Karen texted me and said that her article will be published later today in Lakewood Informer. They're working through some minor edits. But this is something, even if you don't live in Lakewood, These issues may be coming to your community as well, and you will want to take a look at that. So that will be a little bit later, will be published in the Lakewood Informer. So let's see. Next thing, we've got John Bozen on the line. John Bozen with Bozen Law on the line. John, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 20 :
And lots going on in our world, John Bozen.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, we've got so many issues. directions we can point our eyes and say, wow, look at that. And right now it's obviously, well, like I said, so many different fronts, if you want to put it that way. But right now, just what's going to happen next in this Israeli-Iran, not conflict, but war. So are we going to get involved? To what extent? And What are the repercussions of that? Scary stuff, scary thoughts.
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It is. It's big things happening in our world right now. But with that, on our own individual every day, we can make decisions every day to make decisions that will keep us safer. I was thinking about you on the way in and your advice regarding when you're making decisions a left turn. So what are some things that we can do to stay safer?
SPEAKER 09 :
When we're making a left turn? Plenty of things. You know, summer is here. It's possibly going to, I was talking with Joe a little bit ago, it's possibly going to hit 100 degrees this weekend. Hope it doesn't, but we'll see. So it's just, you I will come back to your question, but with summer here, I mean, first and foremost, you know, it's important to make sure your car is ready for the heat, ready for the weather, ready for that road trip that you're planning this weekend or next month. And it's just, you know, mechanically sound. Make sure your brakes are good. Make sure that you've got good windshield wipers. There's tread on the tires. I've been doing my line of work for a long time, and so I've seen all kinds of reasons that accidents happen. And right there are three, you know, good tread on the tires, make sure your windshield wipers are working when it's raining, and making sure the brakes are functional. So those are three basic, simple things you can do to make sure your car is mechanically sound that will help you avoid accidents. situations that lead to accidents. So basic stuff like that. But to go back to your question, whenever you're making a left turn, right turn, it doesn't matter. You got to just make sure things are clear and never, ever count on the vehicle coming from your left or coming from your right stopping for you if you have the right of way. and it happens all the time. People blow through stop signs. People blow through stoplights. People have their turn signal on, so don't assume when they have their turn signal on that they're actually going to make that turn. They could go straight. See it all the time, Kim. So it's just not assuming and actually watching and making sure that, That person's slowing down. They're going to come to a stop, making sure that person is going to take that turn. So those are basic, simple things. I've been harping on my kids as they grew up, as they learned to drive. I've had real-life examples with each one of them in the car where we avoided an accident or a potential accident because I said, don't count on that car stopping or turning. So real basic stuff like that. And it's just, it's being aware, being an observant driver and, and staying when you are driving focused and undistracted, which we've talked about many times, absolutely not texting while you're driving. Uh, it's, it's a, you know, good idea. And that new law passed where you can't have your phone in your hand. Um, not being on a phone call while you're driving as much as most of us believe that we can stay focused. It's a distraction. But stuff along those lines.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and also, just as you're at that intersection, wait just a second or two before you make that right turn or that left turn, as you say, to assess, make sure that the traffic is going to be stopping, that you're not going to have somebody blow through that intersection. And just that one second can save you a lot of headache and anxiety and money and maybe injury and all of that. So I think those are really good advice, John Bozen.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and if people follow it, they will avoid that accident that's out there waiting for the unwary that when the light turns green, it's no. When the light turns green, look and cautiously proceed, especially when you are that first car in line, second car in line.
SPEAKER 20 :
Absolutely. If something should happen, though, and someone is injured, whether on the job or auto or injured in any way, what is the best way for people to reach out to Bozen Law for a complimentary appointment?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and you said if, and so we hope our listeners don't have to deal with this, but it's really more of a when. They learn or know of someone, hopefully not themselves or family or loved ones, but when someone... is involved in an accident or they know of someone involved in an accident, encouraging them to call me as quickly as possible because time is always of the essence. The phone number for that free phone conversation consultation to schedule an in-person consultation is 303-999-9999. That's 303-999-9999. John Bozen with Bozen Law. We'll talk with you next week. Thank you, Kim. Have a great rest of your show.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation website. That website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And you can help as they're raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial at 6th and Colfax. And it was dedicated in 1977. It's time for that new facelift. And it is important that we remember and honor those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our freedom. Very excited to have on the line with me Sam Dorman. He is the Epoch Times Washington correspondent. He covers the courts and politics. So he's a busy guy these days. Sam Dorman, welcome to the show. Hold on here. I think we've got him. Something's going on. So hang on. Sam, are you there?
SPEAKER 19 :
Can you hear me?
SPEAKER 20 :
I got you now. Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me? Gotcha.
SPEAKER 19 :
OK, great. Sorry about that.
SPEAKER 20 :
OK, so you're a busy guy right now. The Supreme Court is issuing opinions as well as we've got all these judges that are doing different things regarding Trump's administration. So let's talk about these judges rulings first.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sure, yeah. I mean, there's been a lot, right? Because there's so many lawsuits against the Trump administration just from the beginning of his second term. And there's been a lot of nationwide injunctions, which is something a lot of the Republicans have been complaining about. So more recently, I was just in Boston yesterday covering the lawsuit against Harvard, or sorry, Harvard's lawsuit against Trump over his decision to try and remove their ability to accept foreign students. So there's that, and then there's, I could talk about really any of them, are a lot of different types of cases. Yeah, are there any that you're particularly interested in?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, let's talk about this Harvard one first. What's your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, that's a really interesting one, because the Trump administration is trying to address anti-Semitism and sort of ideological bias at a lot of different universities, but Harvard is one of the ones that they're really targeting. And they tried to freeze, for example, I think it was something like $2 billion in funding for the university. And then besides that, they're also trying to decertify, or they were trying to decertify Harvard's ability to participate in this foreign exchange program. That ended up getting blocked by a judge. So Trump followed up with a proclamation that was using some of his authority under immigration law in order to prevent the entry of foreigners who were seeking to take classes at Harvard. And so yesterday, there was a hearing in Massachusetts, and the judge was basically trying to decide whether or not Trump had followed that law. had used that law appropriately and whether or not what he did was a form of retaliation for protected speech by Harvard. Harvard is basically alleging that Trump is retaliating against the university because it didn't cave to or acquiesce to a lot of the demands that the Justice Department put on it after investigating things like antisemitism and ideological bias at the school.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. And when will the judge make his, his, her decision?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. So she's, uh, she should be making a decision within the next week or so. Um, and so that would, that would be like a preliminary injunction. And so she's already blocked the, the proclamation in a more sort of temporary way. So this is, if she, she issues a preliminary injunction, that's something that's more permanent. And then it can, you know, it'll probably go through an appeals process. It could reach the Supreme court and, uh, Yeah, it would be a significant development, I would say, in terms of this battle between Trump and Harvard.
SPEAKER 20 :
And watching Trump talk about not paying all of these government grants to Harvard, I didn't realize the size and scope of these government grants that have been going to colleges and universities. And I don't really think we should be doing that. I don't think the taxpayers should be paying for all that.
SPEAKER 18 :
It is a good question because, like you mentioned, it is a lot of money. You look at the amount of money going to Columbia, Harvard, other institutions, there's a question about how much control the executive should have over the use of those funds. and whether or not they should be able to condition them based on activities that are not as related to the bulk of those funds. So like the foreign students being admitted and Trump raising concerns about entanglements between Harvard and the Chinese government, for example. But it's an interesting question. It's something that's coming up a lot in not just the university cases, but in other cases as well, because Trump is trying to do these massive spending freezes across the government. and basically trying to reevaluate how the federal government is using its money. And so that's, of course, raising questions about separation of powers, because Congress is usually the one that appropriates funds. So it's an interesting time, I would say, because it is really like Trump is really sort of making the courts grapple with the nature of his authority and how much discretion he has as a democratically elected president and how much he can sort of affect what I think he was elected to do.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. And we have all these different judges that it seems like they're out of their what they should be making decisions on, making decisions that affect the whole country. But I think they're trying to slow down what the Trump administration is trying to accomplish and try to get to the midterms. And then if the Democrats can take either the House or Senate, then basically it would make it very difficult for Trump to continue I like the agenda of lowering spending and lowering taxes and freeing people up to be able to pursue their hopes and dreams. I like that agenda a lot, Steve Dorman. Not Steve Dorman. One of my colleagues on my board is Steve Dorman. You are Sam Dorman. So what's your thoughts about that, Sam?
SPEAKER 18 :
That's interesting, yeah. I don't meet many other Dormans, so I'm glad to hear that. But, yeah, no, I think it is an interesting question because I'm not sure if you've been following the Supreme Court case about Trump's birthright. But basically there was an order that the Supreme Court is reviewing Trump's ability to limit birthright citizenship. But the way that it's doing it is it's basically trying to look at the nationwide injunctions that judges have issued against his order. And so this is a big question that Republicans have been raising is whether or not judges are able to issue orders that basically limit the implementation of Trump's policies across the whole nation or whether or not they can only limit the effect of Trump's policies as it concerns the parties before the judges in courts. And so I think that's one of the biggest issues. that's one of the bigger decisions that's coming this term from the Supreme Court, is what they say about his birthright citizenship order and what they say about judges' authority to be able to issue these injunctions. Because it's interesting that the Trump administration was saying, I think it's something like the amount of nationwide injunctions has doubled the amount that Biden saw in the first three years of his term, the amount that he saw has doubled under Trump under his second term. So The courts are definitely proving to be a major impediment to Trump's agenda, and all this is really testing the balance of power between the judiciary and the executive.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. So looking at a number of the pieces that you have published at the Epoch Times, Sam Dorman, another one is that the judge orders the Trump administration to reinstate members of the Consumer Safety Commission. Now, these commissions are under the purveyance of the executive branch. So he should be able to do that. Yes. And so for a judge to step in, that seems like that's lawfare to me.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, that's I think that's pretty much how most people would view this issue is Trump is the chief executive. He's the head of the executive branch. So he should have the ability to fire the people underneath him. Right. And so. it doesn't make any sense that someone should be able to stay if they disagree with his agenda. I think that's how most people will probably understand it when you think of, for example, think of the executive branch as like a corporation and Trump being the boss. But the issue is that Trump has people under him that were appointed by previous presidents, and they have these certain protections that Congress instituted. So basically, Congress is saying, with some of these officials, you can only remove them for cause. And it can't just be Trump can't just like send an email and say, I don't want you anymore, basically. And so this is kind of this has been a long running issue. So there's been lawsuits not just with this Consumer Commission, but also with the FTC, with the NLRB, with that case reached the Supreme Court and some other agencies as well. And basically, it's it's all going back to this. Some of the Supreme Court's case is in particular one from 1935. It was called Humphrey's Executor. And that case said that one of the members of the FTC was wrongly fired by FDR because FDR fired him without cause. And so I know this is kind of getting into a lot, but basically the idea is that if there are members of these commissions like the FTC or the Consumer Safety Commission where they they promulgate regulations or they sort of hear disputes about potential violations of regulation, then they have something known as quasi-judicial or quasi-legislative power. And so in that sense, the judges have said that Trump doesn't have as much power to fire them and that really when he can fire someone, it's based on how much executive power they're exercising. So this idea of what's executive versus judicial and congressional is not really well-defined. So again, it's a very vague area of law. But basically, I think what this is going to do is going to force the Supreme Court to reconsider that question, and they're going to end up looking at what exactly the members of these commissions are doing and whether or not they're interfering with Trump's quote-unquote executive authority.
SPEAKER 20 :
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmonson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kimmonson.com as well. And do you have big dreams for your future but not sure how to get there? Call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. They know your financial life is unique and as an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they build personalized strategies that put your freedom and goals first. No sales pressure, no one-size-fits-all approach, just thoughtful guidance built around you. So take that first step toward your future. Call Mint Financial Strategies at 303-285-3080. That's 303-285-3080. I'm talking with Sam Dorman. He is the Epoch Times Washington correspondent. He covers the court and politics. And I made a slip. I called him Steve Dorman because one of my colleagues on our all-volunteer group, Colorado Union of Taxpayers, is Steve Dorman. And you said, Sam Dorman, that there's not a lot of Dormans out there. And Steve Dorman texted me and said, the Dorman nation is small.
SPEAKER 19 :
It's true, yeah. I don't know why I don't meet Minnie. It doesn't feel like a super complicated last name, but yeah, I don't meet that Minnie.
SPEAKER 20 :
So let's continue. This is really interesting, and people should check you out at the Epoch Times. And I'm going to ask you this, Sam. I've asked other people. There are those that say Epoch Times and those that say Epoch Times. Both are correct, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
I think technically it's epoch, but we're not going to hold it against you if you say epoch or epic.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, good to know. So what would you say is if it was totally official, what's the pronunciation?
SPEAKER 19 :
Epoch times.
SPEAKER 20 :
Epoch. Okay. I'll try to get that into my brain then. So let's talk about some of these other things that you have published. And you said the DOJ has sued New York over a law blocking immigration arrests at courthouses. And, of course, we just came out of the No Kings weekend. I do want to make a note that many of those... that are protesting, they're actually protesting against a personality, and that is Donald Trump. And some of those protests devolved into riots, and they're anti-American. There's an underlying anti-American theme with some of these as well. But it's based on immigration arrests by ICE. So let's talk about this DOJ sues New York over the law blocking immigration arrests at courthouses.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, so that lawsuit, I mean, that's just kind of one of many. I think there's been at least four or five lawsuits that the DOJ has filed against different jurisdictions across the country, alleging that these jurisdictions are thwarting federal law enforcement or they're not following federal law by not sharing information with immigration authorities about things like immigration status or just kind of sharing information or assisting federal law enforcement with carrying out immigration reinforcement in these different states and sanctuary cities. And so there has been a lot of different lawsuits. And so I'm guessing what's going to happen is that this will go to the appellate level and the Supreme Court will have to intervene. I'm not sure if you remember back in, I think it was 2011, 2012, there was a case involving Arizona, one of Arizona's laws attempting to basically beef up federal law or immigration enforcement, sorry, beef up a state immigration enforcement. And there's a question of whether or not that conflicted with federal law, because there are already federal laws in place. And so like the basic kind of issue is how much can state law step on or sort of interfere with federal law? Because there are, you know, of course, there's different ways that the federal government attempts to implement and enforce immigration law. And there's, of course, our Democratic governors and Democratic mayors who are trying to avoid certain types of immigration enforcement from taking place because they think that having that type of enforcement sort of, let me think of the best word, like it kind of breaks down barriers, breaks down trust between the community and the state government. So they think that that's not going to allow them to be able to, you know, carry out law enforcement at the state level as well. But the basic issue, I mean, I think it's a really interesting topic because what you're looking at is this conflict between federal authority and state authority. And so the main kind of constitutional provisions are the supremacy clause of the Constitution, which generally says that, you know, the federal government's laws take precedent over state laws and that states kind of have to, they have to follow federal law and they can't have laws that conflict with the implementation of federal law. But another interesting argument that the states are raising is this thing called the anti-commandeering doctrine, and that's part of the 10th Amendment. And basically what that says is that the federal government can't order states to use their resources for federal immigration enforcement. So it's kind of unclear what exactly that means. And there are also laws that the federal government is saying, that it actually does require states to, for example, share information with them and sort of cooperate in some way. And so, yeah, there's this case in New York where it's talking about courthouses, but there's also, for example, like there's a case in Rochester where they just, the mayor of Rochester came out and said that one of his immigration officers, or sorry, one of his police officers had wrongly assisted immigration enforcement. At some point, you know, He was getting kind of angry about this at a press conference, which was just, it was interesting to see. But yeah, it's a big conflict between state and federal authority. And that's something you're seeing again with Newsom and the lawsuit over the National Guard there. So I think that we could see like another landmark decision, like the Arizona case from 2000, I think it's 2011, 2012. We could see another case like that, where it's basically the Supreme Court setting up sort of like demarcating the line between state and federal authority.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and that was my next question, and you'd written this piece on June 11th regarding Newsom's request to block Trump's use of troops in L.A. What's your read on that, Sam Dorman?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, that one is very similar to a lot of the other cases in that it's looking at how much Trump can sort of establish certain facts before taking action under a particular statute. So this is also like, I don't know if, I mean, your viewers have probably heard about the Alien Enemies Act lawsuits, where there's courts that are ruling on whether or not Trump validly invoked this law to deport members of Trende Aragua. But basically, both of these are, they're talking about, they're looking at whether or not Trump has validly declared that there are extraordinary enough conditions for him to sort of override normal processes. And so, for example, in California, Trump is saying that there are these conditions of, for example, the federal government not being able to execute law or there being some kind of rebellion. And because of that, he should be able to take control of the National Guard within the state. And so the Trump administration's argument to the court is that This is something that Congress allowed Trump to determine, and judges can't second guess whether or not Trump has actually or whether or not those conditions have actually been met. And that's kind of Trump's decision alone. But regardless, that case is also interesting because there's a portion of the law that Trump is talking about or that Trump invoked. And it's basically saying that the orders to federalize the National Guard have to go through the governors of the particular states. But it's unclear what that means. So a lot of these laws, like there's kind of, I don't know, kind of vague language and it's unclear how the judges should interpret it. And so, for example, with this one, Newsom is basically suggesting that Trump has to engage in some kind of consultation or attempt to get his consent in order to federalize the National Guard. But Trump is saying, no, this law, when it says through the governor of the state, all it's doing really is just saying, that Newsom is a conduit for Trump's decision. And so that initially went to the district court level, and there was a federal judge in San Francisco who said that Trump had violated multiple aspects of the statute, but also that he violated the Posse Comitatus Act, which is another law basically preventing the federal government from using troops to engage in domestic law enforcement operations. And that got appealed to the Ninth Circuit. The Ninth Circuit halted that order, so it effectively gave Trump temporarily control over the National Guard again. And there's going to be a hearing today, I believe, on that issue. So there'll be a more final decision from the Ninth Circuit about this, and it'll go from there.
SPEAKER 20 :
So, Sam Dorman, you look at L.A., and if Trump had not taken action— This whole thing I think across the country could devolve into the summer of love of 2020 where we had all kinds of riots and property that was destroyed and people's businesses and homes and their dreams and Well, I don't really like the idea of federal troops enforcing things in America and American citizens. I also don't like the idea of mayors and governors stepping back and just let chaos to let chaos happen. So what would you say to that, Sam Dorman?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, it's tough because states traditionally have control over law enforcement and sort of policing their particular areas without the federal government's intervention. But the issue is whenever federal assets like, for example, a federal courthouse being vandalized in California or federal law enforcement within California being attacked, then Trump is saying, that's when I can step in because it's my duty to protect, it's my constitutional duty to protect those individuals and those buildings. And so I think it's and that makes sense.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. Yeah. No, I think so, too. So I think that the sort of like the rub there is Newsom is alleging that Trump is engaging in law enforcement, which is prohibited. But Trump is saying it's not he's merely just protecting these these assets rather than engaging in some kind of law enforcement. And so I think that, yeah, there's going to be some dispute, like some factual dispute. So not so much these broader legal questions, but I think that, you know, the judges might get deeper into what exactly are these National Guard troops. And now Trump is sending the Marines as well. So there might get I think they're going to maybe probe, like, you know, what exactly are they doing? Are they detaining people on the ground? Are they just sort of being there to prevent violence against these immigration enforcement officers? Because that's something that the DOJ has been saying is that there's been violent confrontations. There was an immigration enforcement officer who was injured. And there are a lot of parallels, I think, to the George Floyd protests where you have these buildings being vandalized. DOJ has talked about a federal courthouse being vandalized. And so, yeah, there's going to be I think there's just there's there's a lot of there's still some like sort of factual questions to be resolved. But but, yeah, it'll be I think it'll be interesting to see how the Ninth Circuit rules.
SPEAKER 20 :
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SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, it's Epoch Times.
SPEAKER 20 :
Epoch Times. And really a great publication. I subscribe. And really... thoughtful I think journalistic reporting as well as great opinion pieces I would highly recommend it so Sam Dorman you've written a piece this was published on June 11th that appeals court hears Trump's bid to remove business records case to federal court so it's in state court he wants to get it to federal court why is that and is that going to happen
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, so this is, I don't know if people remember, I mean, this is Trump's quote-unquote hush money case involving, you know, his payments, his alleged payments to adult film actress Stephanie Clifford in the 2016 campaign. So this is going back almost 10 years, right? And it's Alvin Bragg, who's the Manhattan District Attorney, brought charges in 2023, I believe. And so Trump has been... trying to take this case from state court to federal court for quite a while now. But it ended up proceeding through the state court. And, of course, Trump was found guilty on all these different counts last year. And there ended up being sentencing by the judge, but it didn't actually result in any jail time or any significant penalties. But regardless, Trump is still trying to remove it to federal court so that he can review, he can get a federal appellate court to review the way that Alvin Brad conducted this prosecution. If you haven't seen the coverage, it's a very sort of technical or complex legal theory that was kind of vague at times. And it's received a lot of criticism, the way that Alvin Bragg actually went forward with this case and sort of the types of evidence that he allowed. And one of the really controversial aspects of this is that in the middle of all this drama happening within the state court, the Supreme Court last year released its presidential immunity decision. right? And that basically said that Trump had criminal immunity from, or he had immunity from criminal charges related to his official acts. So what exactly his official and unofficial acts are is still kind of up for debate. The Supreme Court provided some guidance, but the courts or the lawyers and judges, I think, are still split on what exactly that means. So one of the main issues that the Trump administration had with the way that the state court handled this case is that it allowed certain evidence from White House officials and other evidence that Trump's attorneys are saying was protected by presidential immunity. And so that's an issue for multiple reasons. I mean, the first one is that the Supreme Court said, Chief Justice John Roberts said that juries should not be able to hear evidence that's related to a president's official acts, because it would basically, even just hearing that would kind of ruin the immunity that the Supreme Court had granted to presidents. So above and beyond that, though, there are laws basically saying that if a federal officer, if he's charged in relation to his, you know, their official acts, then the federal officer, if they're a defendant, they can move to have that case taken to federal court instead of state court. So Trump tried to do that, and he was rejected twice by a federal judge. I think the last time he was rejected was last September. But he's appealing that. So that's what this hearing was that I'm talking about. Sorry, it's a long saga with a lot of different ins and outs of different court levels. But basically... on June 11th is when these, it was three judges in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals heard his arguments about trying to remove the case to federal court. The district attorney's office was saying that, you know, this case has already been decided, there's already been sentencing, and so you shouldn't be removing it at this point. You know, the law governing whether or not cases can be transferred to federal court, it was intended for before sentencing so that the the case could play out in the right venue at the right time, whereas Trump is trying to remove this after conviction. And Trump's attorney is basically saying that this is, you know, there's extraordinary circumstances, right? There's a landmark Supreme Court decision. So this is the type of extraordinary circumstance under the law that would allow this type of removal or this extra attempt to take the case to federal court. So at this point, it's really not even about whether or not the prosecution or the judge failed in the way that they handled the case. It's more about whether or not Trump meets the conditions under federal law to remove this case. So he's hoping that basically this case will be taken to the Second Circuit. after this initial hearing so that the Second Circuit can do a more thorough review of the way that the case was conducted.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. Is this where they got the conviction where then the headlines can be Trump's a felon? Or was there another conviction? Is there another conviction or is this that conviction?
SPEAKER 19 :
No, this is that one. Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, so that's why Trump wants, if he can get this moved over and get that removed, then that takes away that narrative that's being used out there that he is a felon.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
SPEAKER 20 :
So that's probably the game on that, right?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I think he wants to overturn the conviction for sure.
SPEAKER 20 :
OK, this is really interesting. And it's and that would be why Alvin Bragg would not want to let that get into federal court just in case that might happen. Right.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. OK.
SPEAKER 20 :
OK. OK. We've got a couple of minutes left. Sam Dorman, what says coming down the pike at the Supreme Court that people need to keep their eye on?
SPEAKER 18 :
Sure. Yeah, there's a lot of cases. The Supreme Court's already released some, but before the end of June or maybe the beginning of July, they're expected to release the Scrimetti case, which is about Tennessee's attempt to ban cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers for minors. So I think that's probably the most anticipated case because it's going to affect a lot of state laws that are trying to restrict these types of procedures and the idea that just kids should not be making these decisions so early on. And then the other ones are the birthright citizenship case that I mentioned. There's also the Texas case where Texas is trying to implement age verification measures for pornographic sites. And there's a question about whether or not that violates the First Amendment. There's this industry group, porn industry group, that's trying to overturn or reverse an appeals court decision that basically gave Texas more leeway in being able to pass these types of laws. So there's that one. There's another one about gender and sexuality in school libraries. I'm trying to think of what others would be interested in. I think those are the main ones. There was a case recently that they released on this lawsuit that Mexico had brought against gun companies within the United States, and they basically said that Mexico couldn't bring that lawsuit and that gun companies enjoyed a certain But yeah, I think those are the main ones.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, well, you're doing amazing work, Sam Dorman, regarding the courts and court appeals and the rulings and epoch times. Did I get that right?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER 20 :
Epoch. Okay, I got that. I really appreciate it because he is the Washington correspondent, covers court and politics for the Epoch Times, and hopefully we'll get to talk again very soon, Sam. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, sounds good. Thank you, Kim.
SPEAKER 20 :
And again, you can find him at the APOC Times. That's Sam Dorman. I'd highly recommend that you check that out. Just a couple of things. Did want to re-mention that Karen Gorday's information, her article regarding this whole rezoning in Lakewood will be published at the Lakewood Informer probably later today. And then also regarding this headline, the Colorado State Campaign Finance website has taken down Pam Long texted me and said, this is bad. Now we can't track the lobbyists. I hope that they put everything back up there because it's important that we have transparency in our government. And our quote for the end of the show is from Jim Rohn. And he said this, he said, the more obstacles you face and overcome, the more times you falter and get back on track, the more difficulties you struggle with and conquer, the more resiliency you will naturally develop. There is nothing that can hold you back if you are resilient. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Join us on this episode as we dive into the world of the 2025 Mazda MX-5, a staple in the entry-level sports car market. We explore its features, performance, and the experience of driving this cult-favorite roadster. With a sleek design and a surprisingly affordable price point, the Mazda MX-5 continues to draw enthusiasts who appreciate driving for fun. Not only do we discuss the technical aspects of this model, such as its manual soft top, 181 horsepower engine, and rear-wheel drive, but we also evaluate its practicality and comfort. Perfect for those unexpected weather changes, the MX-5 provides an exciting yet comfortable drive that reminds you why you fell in love with cars in the first place. Whether you're considering purchasing this car or just interested in learning more about it, this episode offers insights and personal anecdotes that underscore why the Mazda MX-5 remains a beloved choice for roadster fans. Tune in to explore if this is the right car for your garage!
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All right, another car that you have just driven, which I actually like this car a lot. Now, it's not the super most practical car, especially for somebody like me and what I do, you know, daily because of the size and the room and so on. But it's got a cult following. It's been a standard in the what I would call entry-level sports car end of things. And this is one of those cars, Richard, where, again, once again, if you're buying this car for the right reasons, you will not be disappointed.
SPEAKER 01 :
No, absolutely, Dad, and that is the 2025 Mazda MX-5. This is the Miata, right, folks? We had the Grand Touring Edition, Dad. They have an RF Edition, which basically is the hardtop convertible. This is the softtop convertible that is manually done, which I will say is one of the easiest... things i've ever done because a lot of times dad those electric hard tops while they're great and they're functional they take a while to use i can kid you not put this soft top up and down with one hand in literally five seconds yep it's easy did you not folks and so so if you're driving down the road and you're like oh my word i didn't realize that that thunderstorm was going to be coming up especially here in colorado in the summer You can literally get to the stop light, almost a stop sign, depending on if no one's behind you, put this soft top up. I will say that outside of that, Dad, I mentioned the six-speed manual, which is fantastic. It's got a two-liter, four-cylinder engine with 181 horsepower underneath the hood, rear-wheel drive, really well-balanced, Dad. That's one thing that you're going to find on this. Is it going to light up the afterburners? Not by any means, but is it a really fun roadster and a car to drive? And I would say absolutely. It's got heated seats if you need that. They actually do have a 35-year anniversary model for this year, Dad. We didn't drive it, but folks can see that. I think they're only making 300 of those cars, which... would potentially be a good collector's item, depending on if you're into that. Price point, folks, this one, as it sits, $36,565. Fuel economy is $26,034 for roughly an average of about 29 miles per gallon. I will just tell you this, folks. There's not a lot to this car. It is a small car. You're not getting a whole lot in the trunk of it, but that's not a big deal. Again, and some people are going to say, well, it's really noisy. It is what it is. Honestly, if you're driving with this thing and you're worried about the noise, it's not the car for you. It's a car to have fun. That's right. Again, if you wanted a second car, folks, there's only two of you at home, or maybe you've got kids still, but you just want to be able to go out on a date night and have a convertible... highly recommend this car. Only downside, Dad, if you're over six feet, you're going to be hard-pressed to get in this, and your forehead's going to be getting bugged. However, if you're like most of the rest of us, and that's not the case, this is definitely a car I would highly recommend. So head to your local Mazda dealer. I know that they have some special deals, even with some of the tariffs and stuff going on, Dad. I just checked out their website on that. I would encourage folks... Get out, test drive this car. I think you'd be really surprised at how well you enjoy it. And when you do that, let them know that John and Richard Rush from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you.
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This is John Rush from Rush to Reason and Drive Radio. Thank you so much for listening. Check out more of our podcasts at RushToReason.com or Drive-Radio.com.
Today, we focus on the 2025 Genesis G90, an impressive entry in the luxury sedan market that combines elegance with affordability. Discover the fine details that make this vehicle stand out, from its advanced air suspension system to its luxurious massaging seats. Ideal for both personal drivers and executive rides, this car promises a serene and sophisticated driving experience. Richard shares his firsthand experience with the G90, noting how it manages to compete with luxury brands often costing significantly more. Despite having a slightly lower horsepower, the G90 excels where it counts, offering a smooth, quiet ride that many high-end sedans strive to achieve. Listen in to find out how this stunning vehicle could redefine your understanding of luxury.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right, we are back in that time of the week where we do car reviews. We've got a couple today, Richard, that we'll go through. Let's start with you drove recently a new 2025 Genesis G90.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, Dad, so this is their flagship sedan. This is the kind of chauffeur-like sedan for Genesis. And for those of you that know the competitors out there, you know that this is kind of a high-dollar segment. However, Dad, this is a high-dollar car with not the highest price tag. And what we mean by that is, This is a full-size, four-door luxury sedan that is meant to either be super luxurious to drive down the road if you're just driving yourself, or if you're an SUV, or not SUV, an executive, right, a CEO, and you want a nice, luxurious sedan. Guy, you've got a driver that occasionally drives you around, whatever it might be, and some of you are going to sit there and say, who's that for? I'm not sure you would be surprised. And the nice thing about this vehicle, Dad, is you can do so for potentially two-thirds of the cost of the competitor. That's right. This vehicle, as it sits, this is the 3.5 TE supercharger version. trim, which essentially gives about 34 more horsepower. I think it's a 48-volt kind of an electric element to it, which is really, really nice. The nice thing, though, and what Genesis has done is you don't have to add a bunch of different options to get there. So if you just choose the E, so this is, again, the 2025 G90 3.5 TE Supercharger, all-wheel drive. As it sits, about $102,000. There's just a few different accessories. I wouldn't even call them options, Dad. Accessories that you can add, 8-speed automatic transmission, multi-chamber air suspension. heated and ventilated front seats, heated and ventilated rear seats, massaging front seats, massaging rear seats, all of the things that you could want. One of the coolest features of this car, Dad, however, is what they call their road preview. So instead of a lot of the electronic adaptive suspensions out on the road today, Dad, where it kind of adjusts as you're driving, this thing uses the cameras to to basically see the potholes and such in the road and adjust the driving and adjust the suspension for it as you're going down the road. In other words, folks, it's incredibly smooth and incredibly quiet in this vehicle. I could literally sit here and tell you for probably the next 30 minutes all of the features of this car. All I will say is this. if you're looking for a luxury sedan and you're looking for some of those competitors that are in the mid-100s, yes, I said that right, the mid-100s, Dad, you can get this car for just over $100,000, which in this segment, Dad, is an incredible value. And in my opinion, you get all of the features that some of the competitors out there have for not the highest price tag, which is great. And you saw this car, I'll quickly let you chime in there, Dad, this car looks phenomenal, folks. It does not look like a Genesis driving down the road, and that is the highest of compliments I can give, because it's beautiful.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yep. No, they do a great job on them. I've driven this car in the past, and even some of the older models of this, you know, the previous generations of. Never disappointed, Richard. It's a fabulous car. It competes extremely, extremely well. So a lot of you guys, where you're driving some of the higher-end sedans by some of the other German automakers, let's just say it that way, you would be pleasantly surprised at how well this car actually competes on that level. I might even go as far as to say this, Richard, not only competes on that level as far as the luxury sides of things go, might even be a little bit better. The one thing it does lack, and I'll be the first to admit it, is does it have the same horsepower that some of the others that you're Maybe not, but keep in mind you're spending a third less money on this car than you would some of the other quote-unquote competitors. So something to think about, Richard.
SPEAKER 01 :
No, absolutely. And it doesn't have some of the fancier engines and stuff, Dad, but at the same time, it gets up and goes just as well as I need it here in Colorado. The all-wheel drive is a great feature. If we were to encounter any snow, obviously we didn't. Overall, I would highly recommend it. Again, head to your local Genesis dealer. Again, 2025 Genesis G90. Test drive it, because I think when you do that, you'll really want to get in this vehicle and have it for yourself. And when you do that, let them know that John and Richard Rush from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you.
SPEAKER 02 :
This is John Rush from Rush to Reason and Drive Radio. Thank you so much for listening. Check out more of our podcasts at RushToReason.com or Drive-Radio.com.
In this hard-hitting hour of Rush to Reason, John Rush and Andy Peth unpack the difference between persuasive engagement and performative outrage. They challenge conservatives to stop wasting energy on ineffective protests and start answering the hard questions—like Charlie Kirk does—if they want to win minds and elections. The duo also dives into a heated text exchange John had with an anonymous liberal critic, exposing the hollow fury behind many progressive talking points. Plus, Andy delivers a compelling analysis of the “Big Beautiful Bill” and its implications for GOP strategy. If you care about Colorado politics, winning arguments without yelling, and lowering the cost of living for families, this episode is a must.
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This is Rush to Reason. You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you're scared. And you're scared because if you try and fail, there's only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes. With your host, John Rush. My advice to you is to do what your parents did. Get a job done.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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All right, we are back. Hour 3, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and I want to continue on with our last conversation. I don't want to go a lot further with this, but Andy had said something at the top of the hour you all couldn't hear that I wanted him to repeat on air, and that is, you know, if we're not going to protest... because we feel like there's really no positive outcome. And again, folks, I'm not telling anybody what to do or not do. All I'm simply saying is, A, don't expect me to be at one. B, I don't find them to be that effective at the end of the day. For the time, energy, effort, organizing power, everything that goes into making one of those things happen, I just feel like all of that energy, effort, money even, because money gets spent. I used to tell my kids, nothing happens for free. The air you breathe has a cost to it. Right. Because there's a mortgage going on. There's a gas and light bill. There's on and on and on we go. Nothing is free ever. So no matter what anybody ever says, nothing's free. It's one of the first things I taught my kids. Everything has a cost. So all of this cost that goes into a protest, if you took all of those resources and put them towards actually winning and putting the right candidates in place and making real changes at the Capitol and so on, would we be further ahead when it's all said and done? That's my perspective. And when it comes to, you know, especially here in Colorado with protests and so on. Now, Andy and I at the top of the hour again, we were talking and a great example of how to turn a protest into something productive is what, Andy? Charlie Kirk.
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Here's what really angers me. When we do protests and we do these chants and yells and chants and all those kinds of things, the people around who watch it, they feel uncomfortable, they don't like it, and they don't like you. And it's not persuasive. What does Charlie Kirk do? Charlie Kirk, you know, and now he's very famous, now he's much bigger than this, but he became... He wasn't always. No. He became famous by going to college campuses, he'd set up his table, and you know... Yeah, a little bit of a stage. He's got his microphone. He's got microphones out there for the crowd. And liberals could come up. They'd always go to the front of the line, and they could shoot questions at him. And, of course, he makes them look very stupid, and they become very funny videos. But more than that, he was answering hard questions.
SPEAKER 12 :
Being persuasive at the same time. And by the way, doing it in a way where it wasn't a yelling match back and forth. Sometimes they would yell and Charlie would say, listen, hang on tight. You don't have to get all uptight here. We can have a normal conversation. Let me ask you. And by the way, he would usually go something like this. And by the way, let me ask you. And he would throw a question at him that they either could or couldn't answer.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And he would challenge them with this. And he'd also hear them out. He'd listen to them. Absolutely. I remember, John, after I became a Christian and I went and studied for the ministry, one thing I really realized very quickly is a lot of these people, even though they were studying for the ministry or they were working in churches, They weren't reasoning with people to help them find the faith in Christ. So for a moment, I want to set aside the GOP and think about Jesus.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
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Just because it's a good example. Sure. Okay. It doesn't matter, folks, if you believe in Jesus or not. I'm talking about marketing here, okay? Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which applies to everything, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which applies to everything. I would see these people, and they tried to socialize people into the faith. Okay? Basically, have the big teen events, have this, have that, the great feelings.
SPEAKER 01 :
The gatherings.
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The big gatherings, and the music, and wow them into the faith, and all this kind of stuff. Basically, use everything but Jesus to draw people to Jesus. Okay? And what I would tell them a lot is I would say, guys... These people have really hard questions. How about answering their really hard questions? Let me give you a few, okay? I guarantee you all of them are wondering, how can a loving God allow bad things to happen in the world, okay? A lot of them are wondering, what about evolution? We're being told that we evolved out of the slime. How can you tell me there's a loving God that can, okay? Another one, miracles. How can you believe that Jesus actually rose from the dead? How can you believe in this? And by the way, Charlie Kirk speaks on a lot of these things, too, by the way.
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He does.
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And what I found early on in my Christian faith, because I came the hard way, right? I came out of atheism and I came through a lot of scientific thought. A lot of fellow Christians were bringing their questioning friends to me. Hey, talk to Andy on this and so forth. And I would help talk to people and I would hear their questions. Folks, the Republican Party is the same way. You've got people out there right now saying, look, this person's in need. Why is it so bad to have those who have so much, the rich, pay a little more in taxes so that we can help this person in need and get them some food and get them on their feet again and take care of them? And they're talking about redistribution of wealth and they believe it's actually a good thing. Do you have answers for that? Yeah, we can bring on Jersey Joe and he can walk you through how actually that's a complete scam and the rich are paying well beyond their percentage. And you and I can talk about that as well. But most Republicans can't. John, here's my problem. The vast majority of Republicans right now have absolutely no ability to do what Charlie Kirk does. And I'm not saying you have to be as good as Charlie Kirk. Nobody's saying that.
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Pick a few things that you can.
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Pick a few things that are your issues. He, of course, does all issues.
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He does them all. Because he's really smart and can't.
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He's brilliant and he's done it for years. This is what he does. And you and I can do a number of issues. But folks, if you don't have a number of issues that are very important to you, that are special to you, do I have to be able to answer all questions? No. Your questions, your tough questions. If you can't answer these tough questions on immigration, that's a big issue right now. then you are not an evangelist for the GOP.
SPEAKER 12 :
I agree. Andy, it's another comparison.
SPEAKER 15 :
And if we have no evangelists for the GOP, I guess I got news for you. A bunch of protests are only going to anger people. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, the other comparison I would use, it may be a little cheesy, but I think it's a good comparison. You know, what I do on Saturdays with Drive Radio, which is very nonpolitical, all car-oriented, and what I typically do is take the emotion out, because a lot of people buy and drive cars emotionally speaking. They don't really look at it factually. In fact, I always tell people never buy a car on a Friday or Saturday night, especially a Friday night. You're tired. You're worn out. It's been a long week. You're going to go in there and buy a car that at the end of the day you really didn't need. On and on we go. But on Drive Radio, what I really try to do, Andy, is to get people to think through. A, I've either got this problem. How do I fix it? Or I've had this problem. I'm looking to buy this car. I'm trying to do this. I'm trying to do that. I'm trying to be maybe, I guess you could say, Charlie Kirk on the car side to answer all of these different questions, get people to really think for themselves. Am I even driving the right car? Am I doing the right things? Am I maintaining it correctly? Can I save the most money? All these different things. And you're having to answer, in a lot of cases, all these questions that are coming in. and be convincing at the same time so people really can think through that whole process and at the end of the day make decisions for themselves on, hey, what should I be driving?
SPEAKER 15 :
John, I had a guy, a plumber, who came out to our place. And you could tell, by the way, he leaned conservative. I could tell. But we didn't get into politics, but he was just talking about, okay, here are some options of what you can do, and here are some bad options. But the way he walked through it, he sold it. Right. And he understood the questions that I might have. And he was very persuasive. And he did a great job. He retired, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's what we as a party should be doing, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. OK, every single Republican out there. Here's the thing. The Republican Party is full of people who are everywhere. Right. We are in the schools. We are in the churches. We are in the businesses. We are in the communities. We are in everywhere. And guess what? We're totally incapable. Of winning debates, sharing our faiths, answering the tough questions. When we hear tough questions, here's what we, especially in MAGA, do. We get mad.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which is what the left does, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
The moment we hear those questions, we write these people off. You hate Trump.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, don't do that. Don't get mad. Because literally, folks, you act like the left. I have a story I'll share as soon as we come back here in a moment that happened to me early this morning, proving my point that when you get mad, nothing comes of it. You just make yourself look really stupid at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because, John, your anger doesn't sell.
SPEAKER 12 :
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right. We are back. Rush to Reason. Denver's Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. So let me just share a little bit of where I feel we have to be careful on our side to not do things that the left us. So I got up early this morning. I usually do, but had other things to do around the house and some things I needed to do outside. And it was kind of a nice, cool morning. So I thought I'd get some things done. And I get text messages early sometimes from, you know, Business boys, different things going on, family, whatever. Sometimes you guys will send me a text message early in the morning on the text line. But this one came in to my personal number, which is odd because I don't give my personal cell phone number out. So somebody out there on the left, you probably know who you are and you're probably listening, figured out a way to get my personal cell phone number, whatever. Not that big of a deal. Fine. Whatever. Came on the personal side versus the text line. And this is the this is the first line. I can't read it all out loud because the FCC won't allow us to do that. But this is the first sentence I got this morning at 7-Eleven. Your BS radio station sucks. USA is sick, rotten and evil. Trump is a lying scum. And my immediate answer back was glad you enjoy it. Yes, that was my exact answer. Now, in the meantime, I sit down and I've got a program, a website that I belong to and subscribe to, where I can take a phone number, plug it in, and in a lot of cases determine who is this. And or it'll tell me, is it a burner number?
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Right.
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Which there's a lot of. So this one I did really quickly before I sent my next response back, because it was, in fact, a burner number. And I said, and you're a coward. This is me talking. You're a coward for using a burner number. You are a scumbag. Yes, I said that. I dare you to come on air and say this to my face, you loser. So the next one came back. Hardly. Who could enjoy your ridiculous BS? Oh, I know you dumb Fs, a.k.a. Republicans. Enjoy my awesome text. USA is disgusting. Lock up scum Trump. Scum Trump. Make USA less sick. Never has been great. Okay, before you move on, notice how they always come up with an excuse to not engage. Correct. Well, then I go on to say, as I said, come by and say this to my face, you never will as your side is a bunch of cowards that hide behind burner numbers and keyboards. Right. To which he then said capitalism, again, deflecting capitalism in the planet is destroying evil economic system that needs to die. F oil and gas.
SPEAKER 15 :
All he's doing is reeling off talking points. What you said mattered not to him. Correct. It didn't even matter.
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And I came back and said, it's the best thing that ever happened to this planet. You would not be communicating the way you are without it, you moron. because he wouldn't be.
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Yeah, your burner phone was made with oil. Okay, just so you know.
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So anyways, this goes back and forth, back and forth. I actually offered him a one-way ticket out of the country that I would pay for if he decided to leave because he hates the USA so much, which he did, or he or she, it could be a woman, I have no idea, but this person did not take me up on that. Right. And by the way, this went on and on and on before I finally said, listen, I got other things to do. And by about seven, by eight o'clock. So I texted back and forth with this knucklehead for about 50 minutes and finally said, OK, I've had enough and I'm on to other things I need to get done for the day because I can't just sit and talk to this knucklehead. But here's my point. The majority of his text messages back to me was him yelling, swearing. You could tell he was screaming, upset, mad. Bottom line, not doing anything on my side to convince me of anything he's talking about. So you all on your side, on our side, I should say, if you're a conservative and you don't have really good, solid talking points to make your point, don't. Because you're going to sound just like this guy. Right. Literally going to sound just like this guy.
SPEAKER 15 :
You are going to sound like this guy. I don't know how many times, John, and this is really uncomfortable, and I'll bet you've had to do this too, because you don't go online as much as I do, but where you are seeing a fellow conservative get eaten alive and you have to jump in and save them.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, sometimes that happens here.
SPEAKER 15 :
And tear apart the person who's eating them alive.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct, because they don't have enough of their facts to be able to live on their own. And stand on their own, I should say.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, because all they want to do is basically shout Trump.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And shout their feelings, their conservative feelings, but they can't back it up. They can't do the Charlie Kirk thing. So they're getting eaten alive, so you've got to swoop in.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that's all this guy, by the way. I'm pretty sure this is a guy. I don't know for sure, but... Essentially, that's all this guy is doing. He's shouting out all the damn talking points. Right. Everything from the environment to capitalism is bad to oil and gas is bad to, you know, you name it. On down the line we go. And, you know, oh, by the way, Israel's bad and we shouldn't be doing anything when it comes to Iran. I mean, all that goes through this particular text string back and forth. Even though I'm giving him talking point after talking point, there's never a solid response. to what I'm coming back to him with, including if you hate this country so much, I'll buy you a one-way ticket out. And, oh, by the way, here's the only deal, though. It has to be a third-world country that you move to since you think capitalism, oil, and gas are so bad. John. You get my drift there, by the way?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, totally.
SPEAKER 12 :
And or one with a king, I should have said. I missed that part, Charlie. I should have said, yeah, and one with a king.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. John, what do you think is the strategy of somebody like that? Are they simply trying to occupy your time? No, they're mad. Okay, take a step back. Okay, number one, they know they're not convincing you. No. Number two, they're not engaging on the debate, so they're not reasoning with you. You're literally saying a point, and they're literally going off to their next talking point in rage. They're mad. And just putting it with rage. They're mad.
SPEAKER 12 :
They're mad. They're mad. And they're venting. And I guess they think that some way, somehow, at the end of the day, they're going to somehow make me feel bad for them being mad, I guess, Andy. I don't know. You're a liberal. I don't know. You tell me why they do what they do. I don't know. You're not a liberal. I meant to say you were raised a liberal. Past tense! You were raised a liberal, so you tell me.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, okay, well, basically liberalism, okay, let's take a look at that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Liberalism is all grounded in the desire to control others.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which is what they were trying to do with me here. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
It is driven by rage at its core.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, you were enraged.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you could tell this person was enraged.
SPEAKER 15 :
You are enraged. You want to control others. Every single thing that is put forth by liberals is designed to control other people. And this is why I always say, because people say, well, why are you a Republican? Why are you a conservative? I always say the same thing. I want to control my own life, not yours. That's what makes me a conservative. That's what makes me a Republican. That's where the clear line is drawn between the two sides. If you are a liberal, you want to control my life. Not just yours, okay? You want to control the lives of others. Look at education, obviously, right? If you are for school choice, then you want to control your own kids' education, not everybody else's kids. If you are against school choice, then you want to control everybody else's kids' education. You see how that goes. Okay, getting back to this guy. So he is letting loose with his rage. Obviously, he's not controlling you. So when you find that you can't control and your whole goal is control. then all you have left is to lash out in rage.
SPEAKER 12 :
More rage, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. You lash out in rage because of your incredible disappointment at not being able to control outcomes. Yeah, I can see that. You see, this guy, here's what I mean. Let's say this guy's name is Fred. We'll just call him Fred.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, Fred.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, Fred is perfectly free right now to live in any way Fred wants to live.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. In any country Fred wants to live in.
SPEAKER 15 :
If Fred is a transvestite, he can be a transvestite. Right. He wants to control other people. He just lost an election. He's very upset. The country is not going his way. Right now, Fred is not controlling people. And when your entire goal is to control others around you, and that's the only way you can feel purpose? and then you can't do it, all you have left is to lash out in rage. Am I making sense?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and as I read through the rest of this, because we even get into the Second Amendment and different things and so on, and again, because he's going full circle on all the things he wants to stand on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
And at the end of the day, yes, Andy, all he did was just literally throughout the entire time run on rage, knowing he's not going to convince me of anything. And in this case, I think he just got madder and madder and madder.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the big difference with the left and the right in their rage, the left lashes out in rage when they can't control. The right lashes out in rage when they are being controlled. Okay. And remember during COVID, we did lash out in rage.
SPEAKER 12 :
We were enraged. Absolutely, we did. Rightfully so.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, rightfully so. Now, obviously, I believe that my cause is just. But this is what it always comes down to. The people on the right lash out. You're not letting me carry a weapon so that I can defend myself. You're not letting me speak freely on Facebook. Remember back when you couldn't? Now it's loosened up quite a bit. You're not, you know, you are canceling me. You are doing this to me. You are controlling me. In no way, shape, or form, think about this for a moment. In no way, shape, or form were you controlling Fred. Right. How have you controlled Fred in any way, shape, or form?
SPEAKER 12 :
Maybe when I asked him if he needed a one-way ticket, I'd buy him one.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know why? Because you're going to make him fly coach. And that was very controlling.
SPEAKER 12 :
You don't care about Fred. And I did specify it had to be a third world country, which he had no response to, by the way. Fred didn't respond to that.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, Fred did not. But do you see what I mean? Fred wants to control people and he can't, so he's lashing out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Why did I say that? Well, because anybody that is this bent... against oil, gas, capitalism, and so on, I would not buy them a one-way ticket anywhere but a third-world country where things haven't developed like they live today, and they'd get a real quick education on, wow, I guess it's not so bad back home.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yeah, you're freeing him. You're caring about Fred. You want to liberate him from the trappings of oil and gas.
SPEAKER 12 :
Of oil and gas, and you can't get that in another first or second-world country. Right. You'd have to go to third world country to be able to really understand that, Andy. Absolutely. So that's my theory. That's why I went and said it had to be a third world country.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, obviously Fred is a lunatic.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, that's a given.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, to wake up in the morning, I guess maybe Fred woke up on the wrong side of the bed, too.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but here's the thing. Fred doesn't have to. I mean, obviously, there are things in his life, plastics and so forth, that have oil and gas in them. But, John, Fred, as much as possible, is free to live free of oil and gas. He doesn't have to use any of it. But he wouldn't be texting me if that were the case. I know that. But work with me here for a moment.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, gotcha.
SPEAKER 15 :
Nobody is controlling Fred. Well, that's true. He is being offered a product, and he can choose whether or not to use it. Now, he is choosing to use it because he's a hypocrite, but at least he's free to choose not to use it, correct? No, you're right. Fred's problem is that everybody else can use oil and gas. And that's what angers him. Why? Because Fred wants to control everybody else. Once again, I'm a conservative. I want to control my own life, not yours. I'm a liberal. I want to control your life, not mine. OK, I want to control everyone's lives, not mine. If I can only control my life, I don't feel purpose. I feel purpose by impacting and controlling those around me. So Fred is angry that you have freedom.
SPEAKER 12 :
Your freedom. I guess so. But this is what I mean.
SPEAKER 15 :
Your freedom enrages a liberal.
SPEAKER 12 :
You're right. No, again, Andy. That's why it's an illness. All I can ever do is just sort of – some people would say, well, does that really bother you? No. Text messages like that don't do anything to even – rile me up doesn't change my blood pressure yeah it's more entertaining than anything and i probably entertained this guy longer than i should have because i had other things i needed to get done this morning which i ended up getting done anyways but you know he he did he did um succeed in wasting a little bit of my time i guess if there's anything he did that was successful it was that
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but the difference is you're getting fodder for a show.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that's true. He's getting a lot of good content for this afternoon. That's true. That's show prep. Good point. Yeah. Good point. It wasn't all wasted, let's just say that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I've gotten great show prep wasting time with wacko liberals.
SPEAKER 12 :
Going back to... My original point with all of this was, for those of us that are on our side, and I know there's a lot of you that listen. Some of you don't always agree with everything I say. That's fine. As I said earlier, we're never going to agree on 100% because two humans can't because somebody's lying if they say they are. It's just not going to ever happen. So I'll get somebody even that will call and say, John, I agree with you about 95% of the time. Actually, you're probably lying. There's probably more like 80. Because no two people even agree with one another 95% of the time. Because there's too many other things that come into play where you're just not going to agree with that particular thing that was said.
SPEAKER 15 :
Jeez, I don't know. I think we're in the 95 plus range.
SPEAKER 12 :
In some cases.
SPEAKER 15 :
We have our disagreements, but they're so rare.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, true. Although... Again, just point being, for all of you listening, you're never going to find somebody you agree with 100% of the time. And that includes our party. And when we start going down that political line of electing candidates and so on, it even gets worse, because you're really going to find people that maybe have a real bent for A, and you've got a real bent for B. And depending upon what your bent is, and depending upon what district or what area you're from and what you're in, your B bent, quite frankly... Might not even get that person elected if they run down that bent. In fact, it might be the worst bent they could ever run down.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, tell you what. Am I right in saying it that way? You're absolutely right. That's why after the break, I would like us to apply this to the big, beautiful bill and what they're doing with it in the Senate.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Andy, and Charlie. Okay, after I went through my little diatribe there of what happened at 7-Eleven this morning and so on. And I don't know. Somebody said, is it a chat bot? Honestly, I don't know, folks. I finally got to the point where it's like, okay, I've got other things to do. I was actually out in my shop working early this morning when all that was going on. And I'm just like, yeah, I've got better things to do now.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it's a person, and I wonder if Fred is listening right now.
SPEAKER 12 :
He probably is. Yeah, probably. Wouldn't surprise me. Anyways, apply this to the big, beautiful bill. Okay, well— Some of what we were talking about, I should say.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, what we're talking about is, you know, just because somebody only agrees with you 80% of the time, that doesn't make them your 20% villain and enemy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Your enemy, right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay?
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right now, the Senate is sending back to the House the big, beautiful bill with a number of changes in it. And I'll just list a few really quick here. The SALT deduction, to me, is the big one.
SPEAKER 12 :
And explain what SALT is to everybody listening.
SPEAKER 15 :
SALT is state and local taxes. Okay. And the idea is this. The SALT deduction means that you can deduct your state and local taxes from your federal taxes. Use it as a deduction against your federal taxes. Which means that the higher your state and local taxes are, the bigger the deduction you get from your federal taxes. What does that mean? That means that blue states that have very high state and local taxes... are going to get to write off a lot more than red states, which have very low state and local taxes. Ergo, red states are paying for blue states. Right. So that means that red states are winding up. We're kind of in the middle tax-wise, Colorado is. It doesn't affect us that much either way. No. But you get a little to the left or the right of us, and it has a big... Basically, what it means is this, John. Florida, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, these places are paying for California and New York and Illinois. Right. And they're helping pay for those states. Just because a state is run very poorly, they shouldn't be able to write off those higher taxes. Okay. Now... In the previous bill, under the first Trump administration, and Biden had actually kept this in place, the SALT deduction was capped at $10,000. Okay, you can only write it off up to $10,000. All right. The House bill expanded that all the way to $40,000. Why? Why? Because we have a number of Republicans who are in very purple districts in places like New York, California and Illinois. And they want to and Pennsylvania, by the way, and they want to be able to get reelected. New Jersey as well. OK, and I'm talking probably we're not talking four or five folks. We're talking probably 30 ish. OK, who are in these tough districts and those districts, if they don't come back to those districts and say, hey, I helped you out. I helped you rob the rest of the country. They're going to get voted out. It's that simple. And so they brought it all the way up to 40,000, which I think is ludicrous. Now, the Senate bill cut it. Now, I was thinking that they would find a middle ground, you know, 25 grand or whatever. They cut it all the way back to 10. What does this mean? If they were to put that through, you could take those Republican congressmen in the House of Representatives and basically just write them off in 26. They're going to lose. OK, because the Democrats are going to come through and say, see what he allowed to happen to you. I would have had that thing up at 40. I would have gotten you that big write off because you deserve it. OK. Here's my problem. And I listened to Rand Paul today for about 20 minutes on another show. And I love Rand. And I agree with him on so many things and what he has to say with the budget. But in that entire 20 minutes, Rand never said one word of how, because he said the things that he is demanding. For instance, there can be no increase in the debt limit. Okay. Rand, I'm sorry, but that's not feasible. I don't have time to go into it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. Not going to happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
But there are other things, too. And like the salt limit. But at no point did Rand even once say how he would help these Republicans get reelected. Because, Rand, I got news for you. If they don't get reelected, you're going to have a Democrat House and you're not going to get anything. I mean, that's reality.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and really quick, I'm going to dub you into that because there's some out there that would say, okay, whatever, burn it all down. Let's say we don't have power and we lose power. We'll get it back two years later after the other side comes in and gets everything done what they want to do and screws everything up. Man, that's a big risk, folks. No, no, no. That's a big risk.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because in that time, they're not just going to put through a bunch of things that they like. They're going to seize a lot of power.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And it's going to make them harder to get out.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's the thing our side forgets.
SPEAKER 15 :
And they're going to buy a lot of votes with that money that they redo. See, here's the thing. These people who think that, they're thinking like Republicans. Well, so what? They'll just get their way for two years, and it'll be so bad, we'll come in and sweep in. Here's the problem. When Democrats get their way, John, they redistribute a lot of money and buy votes. Right. Look how they tried to pay off the student loans of kids. That's right. Which is ludicrous. It's their own loan. OK, exactly.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I want to make sure I'm clear on that, because there are some out there. There are people out there on the Internet, talk shows, et cetera. They will basically say something to the effect of, you know what? Doesn't matter. We need to burn it all down. You know, in this particular case, Rand's right. You know, we get everything we need to get done right now. We get everything handled. We get things squared away. And OK, so we lose some seats, you know, the next round in 2026. We'll make them up in 2028.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, John. Well, let's see here. How many years has California been a one-party state?
SPEAKER 12 :
For my lifetime.
SPEAKER 15 :
Has it turned around in the next two years? No. Whoa! What are you telling me? Are you telling me they're wrong? Guys, when you give them that kind of power... And you can say the same thing about Colorado.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. I mean, it's been this way now, heavily blue for, what, the last decade, roughly?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and we've gone... You and I have gone off and gone off and gone off about the terrible things they've done at the Capitol here in Colorado, right? Yeah. Okay, are we going to win now? No, we're not going to win now. Okay, do I think we can win a couple seats back here, here and there and start to turn things around? Yes, we do it right. Yeah, hopefully. But that's going to take doing things very well. But overall, has it persuaded people because they've lost so many freedoms? And so many things have been taken away. The gun laws are absolutely ludicrous. And the trans law is absolutely ludicrous. Oh, is that going to shock everybody and they're going to come running to our arms in 2026 here in Colorado? You tell me, John.
SPEAKER 12 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
No. In other words, folks, you're wrong. If you think, oh, just burn it all down and it'll come back, you're wrong. California has been burned down 20 times over. It hasn't come back.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, in Colorado.
SPEAKER 15 :
Is Vermont back?
SPEAKER 12 :
No. And here in Colorado, folks, and I've talked about this a ton, so has Andy, we have to have a really serious, solid game plan when it comes to even candidates that we're going to run in certain areas. Not nationwide. I'm talking locally here in the state of Colorado. And where are we at with that? I don't know. Those of you that are out there, you might be more privy to some of this information with the current leadership in the Colorado GOP. I'm not privy to anything. I don't know what we're doing. I don't know how we're handling that. I don't know how we're moving forward in those areas. You know, I hope we are. Let me just say this. The Last administration we had was more worried about themselves and jockeying for their own position, which is even true to this day, because you see where Dave Williams is at right now, which I told everybody all along, by the way, what his ultimate goal was. And I'm going to remind all of you that I was dead on right. as far as how all that worked out. He only cared about one thing and one thing only, himself.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
And all of you guys that are quote-unquote supporters of his, where is he now? Is he here to help each and every one of you move along in your daily lives, or is he off to D.C. doing something else and basically told you to pound sand when it's all said and done?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
He got a cushy job doing nothing.
SPEAKER 15 :
He will achieve nothing in that job.
SPEAKER 12 :
I told all of you that were quote-unquote close to him that he was only in it for one reason and one reason only, and I've turned out to be extremely correct in all of that because he screwed all of you. Right. Literally. Literally. Anyways. Outside of that, where are we going? Folks, I don't know. We will do as many interviews with the current leadership as we possibly can. Where are we going to head in that regard? We'll have to find out because I don't have any inside information when it comes to that and how we are prepping folks to actually win races. I don't know.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, and getting back to the big beautiful bill and the Senate and what they did, and they did, I could list them off. You know, it would just bore you. Okay, there's a number of things.
SPEAKER 12 :
There's quite a few things that actually went into change.
SPEAKER 15 :
And there's some things I really didn't like that they did. They actually made it more liberal on clean energy credits, which really angers me. But the bottom line is this. A lot of what they did, if the House tried to put that through, we would lose the House. Okay? They're not being a team, John. They're not being a team. They're only looking at their constituents. And I'm saying, look, guys, you don't understand. When you've got a football team goes out on the field, all those players, you know, who shows up in the stands a lot, they're friends and family, right? They're out there. What if each player was just playing for his friends and family, not for the team?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, you don't win.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, you don't win. You've got to be thinking about the rest of the team, okay? And the GOP is not thinking about the whole team right now in this budget process. They've got to do that every single one. I want Rand Paul to answer this question. Rand, how do you make sure that these Republicans in those districts, not in comfy Kentucky like you, but in those districts, how are they going to get their seat back because we need them? And none of them can answer that, John.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, Andy, they can't. And nor will they. No. Because they don't have an answer to that, by the way. Well, I shouldn't say that. You know what their answer is? What I just said earlier. We don't care. If we burn it all down, we get what we want. At the end of the day, we'll come back and we'll have a successful round two as we go around, you know, as we come around the next time. That's exactly what Rand Paul would tell you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And his supporters, you know what they'll say? Because I debate them. They'll say, well, then it's just a slower death instead of a faster death. May as well have the faster death.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right? That's the dumbest thing ever. Talking about the budget. That's the dumbest thing ever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. So all you're going to do is give me a slower death. Big deal. What good is that? Well, it's a chance to win in the meantime, you moron.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we're back. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and article out of 9 News today, which I thought dovetailed into what Andy and I have been talking about very well, because if you want to be a politician in Colorado, if you're going to be a politician in Colorado, these are the things, frankly, that I feel you need to be talking about on your campaign trail, not some of the other things that our side gets, and I feel like we get off track on. And I'm sorry to say that. Yes, I do believe in politics. in all of our First Amendment rights, Second Amendment rights. I believe in the life at conception and all these different things. I believe in all that wholeheartedly. Although, if I was going to run my campaign, those would not be on the forefront of what I would put on my website or my talking points or anything along those lines. Yes, I would have them there, and yes, everybody knows where I would stand on that, Andy, but this, for example, are some of the things that I would be talking about. There's an article in Nine News today talking about how much money Do you need to live comfortably in Colorado in 2025, according to a new study? So they break this down. Every state, how much money do you have to make as either an individual or as a family to live comfortably in Colorado? Knowing that there's a lot of folks out there, Andy, that are most likely below that threshold, and they're not able to live comfortably. So if I were a politician, I would be running on – listen – I want to do things in your life, Andy, that will make you more prosperous at the end of the day. I want to reduce regulation. I want to make it to where it's easier for you to go buy a house. I want to make it easier because of this thing that we just talked about earlier to where you've now got builders that have to pay extra taxes so that there's this fund, by the way, set up for homelessness and so on. I mean, low-income housing, but you get my drift. I mean, I would be talking about those sorts of things that affect people on a day-to-day basis, frankly, not what happens in the womb. Yeah. Am I wrong in my thought process? No, you're right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And by the way, getting back to the homelessness and the low-income housing, taking that money for that, I would look at it like this. I want you to choose what charities to give to. Right. Okay? I don't want your money seized to where somebody else chooses to give it to the charities they want. I like you being able to choose what charities you give to. Right. I don't want to control your charity. And then I ask them, do you want to control other people's? Because when I say, I don't want to control your charity, I want you to choose what you're... And they're all... And the young people, well, yeah, that's great, great, great. Do you feel the same about me? Or do you want to control a charity? You see, because if I'm coming in and building in downtown Denver, and I build just a few homes and you take 70 grand from me so you can give it to... You can buy votes and build a bunch of low-income housing. Right. What have you done? You have directed my charity.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. Really quick, in Colorado, this is coming out of whoever did these stats. As an individual, to live comfortably in Colorado, it's $105,955 a year. I believe a family of four to live comfortably in Colorado, it is $273,000. That is a big number, by the way, Andy. That's a very big number.
SPEAKER 15 :
So how would you sell it? I mean, what would you say? I want to lower this. I want to make this more affordable or raise your incomes to where you can reach this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, there's several things going on in Colorado, Andy, that I would want to address. Now, granted, I'm only going to be one politician. There's only so much I can do in Colorado. I only get the opportunity to run two bills. But I would be doing things that I would directly put money back in your pocket. For example, in Colorado, we have excessive property taxes. It affects everybody's monthly payment because most people escrow their property taxes and insurance. We have two of those that are extremely high in Colorado, insurance and property taxes. First things first, I would work on as much as I possibly could to figure out a way to lower property taxes. And by the way, that can be done. through the budgeting process when it comes to our school systems, because about 75% of your property taxes are going right into the school system, which, Andy, by the way, there's an extreme amount of waste. Yes, everybody's all for education, educating kids and so on. But at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is more of that money is going to the admin end of things than it is to even the teachers that are teaching your kids. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
I want the money to go toward teaching your kid, period.
SPEAKER 12 :
To all of that. Yes. And I'm not trying to brag, Andy, but that stuff's just rolling off the tongue, and a politician running for office needs to be able to do the exact same thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, John, it's a very intriguing idea. So you come out and say, hey, family of four costs you $273,000 to live in Colorado. Okay. I'd like to lower that. Here's how. Here are the things, or you can simply say, here are a few examples of what's making that number so big. Correct. And that gives you, because you first shocked them up front with the number. Right. Okay. Now, here's a few examples of what making this that big. Yep. Here's what's making it that expensive. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You think it's okay to have these property taxes be this high because of what it does for schools. That's helping make that big. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
And oh, by the way, our test scores along those lines, I'd have those at the tip of my tongue. Here's our test scores in Colorado and what we've actually gotten for these increases in property taxes and extra funding that these schools are now getting.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the bang for the buck is not there.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you just roll through all. And again, these are the things that I would just have memorized. So you can just roll these things off of your tongue. So as you're talking to somebody on the campaign trail, off you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so what if every Republican candidate in the next election was equipped to do this? Hey, just so you know, a family of four needs over $270,000 a year to make it here. Let me give you a few reasons. He has three to five ready to go. Yep, rolling right off. And you can do it and say our percentage is like the fifth worst in the nation here. It's the third highest in the nation there. By the way, our crime rate and the number of cars that are taken per citizen is the highest in the nation. Number one.
SPEAKER 12 :
Colorado's crime is number one.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. That's part of the cost of living here.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's right. Because that drives up insurance costs.
SPEAKER 15 :
And just say, bottom line, it's too expensive for you to live here. That's not fair.
SPEAKER 12 :
I'm going to try to fix that for you. I will do my very best to fix that for you. Can I have your vote?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And what did you just say about social issues?
SPEAKER 12 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 12 :
By the way, that last phrase, what I just said, very few politicians do, and it's called closing the sale. I asked them for their vote. Can I have your vote? If you don't do that, don't go on the campaign trail.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
I'm being straight up honest, folks. If you can't ask somebody for their vote directly, don't go on the campaign trail.
SPEAKER 15 :
But John, everything you just said, that person could be gay. I know. A gay liberal. And you know what they're hearing? Yeah, lower my cost.
SPEAKER 12 :
This guy's going to make my life better. Yeah, go for it. By the way, that would be my motto. I'm here to make your life better. Yeah. Not worse. And easier. And easier. I mean, folks, this isn't that complicated. That's what's so frustrating to me about some of the things that we do as a party is we try to complicate it, make it a whole lot harder than what it actually is, because we want to get off on all of these tangent issues, which they're great issues. Abortion, it's a great issue. I get it. Second Amendment. Great issue. I'm a huge Second Amendment fan, as you guys all know. I mean, all these different things that we can get into. Yes, I am there. You guys have heard me talk for a decade plus now on those issues. I'm right there. But that's not going to win you an election. Not in Colorado. It just isn't, folks. That's the brass tacks. It's not going to win you an election.
SPEAKER 15 :
People want more money in their pocket. They want more lanes to drive on.
SPEAKER 12 :
I was going to say traffic was going to be my other one I was going to put in there as one of my three-legged stools. The traffic has to be a big deal.
SPEAKER 15 :
People are infuriated.
SPEAKER 12 :
They're tired of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
They're tired of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
You drive on Broadway downtown where they've taken lanes away so they can make more bike lanes that are empty.
SPEAKER 12 :
Literally, traffic in our road conditions would be a huge topic that everybody can relate to in Colorado. If you drive on our roads, you know how bad they are.
SPEAKER 15 :
The only votes you won't get are the leftist extremists who like it that way.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. And one of the other things I would throw in, I know we have a few seconds left here, is, but Andy, you know, by the way, did you know that RTD, which is our transportation district, you know, regional transportation district, did you know they have a higher budget than all of CDOT, Colorado Department of Transportation has?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. CDOT is maintaining the roads you drive on. RTD is maintaining the buses you barely use.
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Join John Rush and guests as they tackle Denver’s expanded housing affordability bill. The episode features an in-depth analysis of how government-imposed linkage fees are seen by some as an unconstitutional form of taxation disguised under the guise of zoning requirements. Listen in as they explore the lawsuit challenging these fees, discuss how they may set precedent, and emphasize the importance of legal advocacy for developers facing these financial burdens.
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All right, hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, of course, Charlie Grimes, our engineer for today as well, and had a good first hour. Hopefully you guys enjoyed that. Keep in mind, I shouldn't say this, or I should say this more often, if you miss any first hours, with the exception of Wednesday, you can go back and re-listen to that hour all over again between 6 and 7. So if you missed anything last hour, be sure to just tune back in. Had a good hour, by the way, and enjoyed that very much. All right, our next guest joining us now, David Dearson, joining us, Pacific Legal Foundation. David, welcome. How are you, by the way? I'm doing very well, thanks. How are you guys? Good. You've got something very close to home for us because we are in Aurora, which literally is right next door to Denver, and you've got a lawsuit going on with a Denver, you know, for, I should say, a Denver home builder because of a linkage fee ordinance that Denver now has. That's exactly right. So talk about, number one, what is this Denver linkage fee?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, the idea behind the linkage fee, it's sort of a form of a policy that's pretty popular around the country that's called inclusionary zoning. We think of it as extortionate zoning.
SPEAKER 03 :
I was just going to say thank you. That was a word I was looking for.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that's right. We think of it as extortionate zoning. The way it works is if you want to get a development permit to build housing... the city forces you to pay a fee to subsidize housing elsewhere. But there are actually very strict constitutional limitations on the kinds of development permit fees that governments can charge. And we think it's pretty clear that these fees don't meet those limitations.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is different from a lot of you listening to because this is something, David, that – A lot of folks maybe don't know, but, you know, a lot of times developers will sit down at the table with a particular city and say, you know, we want to do this particular development and in turn we'll give you land or even help you build a local fire station or we'll help you put a park in or we'll do these things. And it's sort of ancillary and it's sort of icing on the cake for the city. And in a way it is in a lot of ways a bribe. I hate to say it that way, but it's literally a bribe to help get your project pushed through. That's way different than what you're talking about here, though, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, well, this is different because it's mandatory and required on basically all residential development and even most commercial and industrial development as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, the difference being instead of going down to the table and having some negotiation, this is something that right off the top, this is what the city is going to require you to do, period, or you're not building, period. It's that simple, right? Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
They will not grant you a permit unless you satisfy their conditions, which means paying these exorbitant fees.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, David, first of all, just for the record, I oppose these fees entirely, and I don't like the idea that if you're going to go in and develop, which, by the way, creates jobs, okay?
SPEAKER 03 :
It does all sorts of things. All kinds of great jobs. It opens up somebody else's home where they may have been living. We can go down the list, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's fantastic in so many ways for the economy, and yet that money is going to be put into affordable housing, which... largely becomes bad times. But really quick, David, how big are these fees? How is this calculated? Great question.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, they're done by square footage, and the crazy thing is that they're actually scheduled to go up every single year in July. So they're projected to rise basically forever. In this case, our client, Red Tea Homes... is building two different projects. They're building one project consisting of four single-family homes on which they're paying a fee of $25,000, and another project of two duplexes on which they have to pay $45,000.
SPEAKER 08 :
Whoa, wait a minute. Only four houses? How many houses, and it's $25,000 total for the fee?
SPEAKER 07 :
That's right. On one of them. On the other, it's four houses, and they're paying $45,000.
SPEAKER 08 :
For just that little, I thought you were talking about like for a large development. No, no, just a regular house. So just for a few houses, for just a few houses, they're giving up $25,000? Right. That's insane.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. And I want to make sure that I highlighted and we didn't miss all of this. What you've just said is these fees will reset every July, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
That's right. And it continued to go up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Unreal. Unreal. OK, so I'm assuming and again, I try to catch as many things, David, as we can locally. But there's so many different cities in the Front Range area here that I just honestly cannot keep up with all of the different changes that that come. I'm guessing this is something that was probably passed by council. Mayor signs off on it. And here we are.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, the policy has been around for a while, for about 10 years, but recently they passed what they call the Expanded Housing Affordability Bill, which beefs it up even more.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. So essentially they've raised the stakes, let's say it that way.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's right, and they've expanded the kinds of projects that it applies to.
SPEAKER 03 :
Got it. Okay, so where do we stand with the lawsuit, these sorts of things? Again, and why this is such a big deal and why you guys get involved in these things, I assume, is because these set precedents. They can set precedents not only here in Colorado but in other states across the country as well because, to your point, when something is unconstitutional and you can prove it, it sets a precedent for a lot of other cities and towns and things that happen in other places. In other words, saying, hey, guys, don't do that because it's going to get shot down.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's exactly right. And we're in federal court. And, you know, we may end up at the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals. And I don't know if it'll be this case, but I think one of these cases is ripe for a Supreme Court review because, like I said at the top, these policies are very popular.
SPEAKER 08 :
uh and the case against them from a constitutional perspective is very strong what is the case against them because i mean it would seem to me that local control they these are ludicrous ideas but a lot of people locally put through ludicrous ideas and they can simply say to you hey that's the price to do in business here you don't want to do that go somewhere else that's right it's not just that uh they're ludicrous ideas and bad policies the issue is that um
SPEAKER 07 :
when you're requiring people as a condition of getting a development permit, when you require them to give up property interests or to give up money, there is a special test that courts employ to make sure that you're not basically making an end around to get around the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment, right? Government can't take property without compensating you. But that would be meaningless if they could force you to give up property in exchange for a permit that you need. There's a real power imbalance there at the permitting desk. So the rule is, if they're going to demand money or property from you as a condition of granting a permit application, the demand that they make has to be designed to mitigate for some real impact that your development is going to cause. And you guys said it exactly right at the top. Building... Building new residential development does not have a negative impact on affordability. It makes affordability better by increasing supply. I mean, that's very basic economics.
SPEAKER 08 :
But just using it to raise money for their other pet projects, I don't see how that fulfills that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, exactly. They're not really mitigating for any actual impact of the development. They're just trying to raise money in a way that's more politically palatable than raising taxes.
SPEAKER 08 :
So they can buy votes elsewhere.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah, and at the end of the day, this is the way I look at it, and Andy's hitting the nail on the head, and so are you, David. this is just a tax to either pacify one section of your constituents, I guess you could say, help out politically, whatever the case may be. But at the end of the day, these are just taxes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that's right. And it's hard to raise taxes because people won't vote for it. But if you can shift the burden onto the folks who need the development permit, they don't have much of a choice unless they can find a good lawyer like we have over at the Pacific Legal Foundation. They're usually out of luck. That's why we want to prove that these policies are unconstitutional.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, answer me a question along these lines where you guys are going down this path with these particular costs. Does this also dovetail into what a lot of cities and counties are doing now, municipal organizations, when it comes to water taps and things along those lines? Some of these are getting so exorbitant that they're basically – eliminating almost the ability for people to build things because they're raising those tap fees up so much, and in a lot of cases there's kickbacks in those going to some of the things that you're mentioning. So my question is, does winning this have any effect upon those sorts of things as well?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it's all related. I mean, it gets a little bit tricky when the government can characterize the fee as a user fee for a service. Right. But really, any time that the government is making you pay a fee or, you know, we have cases where they're forcing people to, at their own expense, extend the water mains well past what their own projects would need.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's all related. Okay. Thank you. Because to me, this is where I feel a lot of municipalities, cities, counties start wielding their power in ways that, frankly, I don't think they should have the power to do. They are, in a lot of ways, and David, I think this is where I come into this and how I look at it is, They're basically taking away your ability to develop out your own property, therefore diminishing the value and taking away your own personal property rights. And to me, that's the crux of a lot of this.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's right. And another way to look at it is that they're basically forcing you to give up your constitutional right to just compensation for a taking. That's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. Good way of saying it. Well, keep us abreast of what goes on. This is, again, right next door. I mean, what goes on in Denver happens in a lot of the other suburbs that we have around Denver as well, David. So whatever happens here, believe me, other cities will be looking at this and determining, is this something we're going to go after as well? So this outcome will have a big effect upon us in Colorado and, of course, other places around the country. So, yeah, by all means, keep us informed. If there's something you want to let our listeners know or there's things that you want to keep us abreast of. And I should also mention, please tell us how we can help you guys. This is something that you guys are doing to help this particular developer out. How do we help you help them?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you know, get the word out. We're looking to challenge these policies, not just in Denver and not just in Colorado, but really all over the nation. So folks can go to PacificLegal.org to learn a little bit more about us and the work we do. And I'd love to hear about, you know, more of these cases, more developers who are finding that, you know, It's impossible for them to do what they need to do and build and actually help build this country out because the government's trying to do something backwards. It's trying to make housing more affordable by making it more costly.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's just not going to work. It isn't. I also mentioned this. Go to the website, pacificlegal.org. In the top right-hand corner is a Donate button. Click it. Help these guys out because a lot of what you guys do is literally through those. The majority of what you do is through those donations. So by all means, folks, go and donate. We don't charge our clients a dime. We're entirely donor-funded. There you go. So go and donate is my point. David, I appreciate you joining us today. Thank you very much. Thanks very much. You're very welcome. Have a great rest of your day. Guys, this is something that, as you guys can tell, near and dear to me. I watch so many different developments and different things that start to happen. And, you know, this whole affordable housing, utter nonsense. And it is absolutely utter nonsense. The best way to make a housing affordable, Andy, is build more of. Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
But think about this for a moment. He's only building two small places, a few homes in each, right? And the city is getting $70,000 from those two combined. What for? So that they can build affordable housing, which, as you know, is stacked and packed with tons of voters who are going to vote for them. They're buying people's votes with his $70,000.
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All right, let me handle a few text messages that have come in while we were talking to our last guest. And, yes, those are fees from our last guest, not taxes. I call them a tax, which is really what they are, but fees, yes, those are fees. And then somebody asked, do we have engineers on site when we get into some of these bad weather days where lightning can be hitting and so on? Do we have people out at our towers and stuff to handle all of those things? No is the answer. We have all of that now because of technology. It's automated. AI has it. It has a big play in that in regards to how close are lightning strikes? Do we need to power down? All those different sorts of things can happen really instantaneously. If something were to happen, yes, we would have somebody out and be back on air rather quickly. But no, in most cases, that's all automated. Yeah, we get messages from the powers that be, if you would, as to what's going on and so on and monitor that very closely. Somebody also asked, with all the things that happen in Aurora, do we ever get worried, Andy and I, when we come and go and so on? And all I said back was, no, I'm never worried about coming and going to the building and all of that. Honestly, I worry more down here, and I'll say this straight up. We absolutely, in this particular area that we are as a station, have the worst absolute drivers on the entire planet in about a two-mile radius of these towers, and I am not exaggerating. The majority of people, even in this parking lot, cannot drive.
SPEAKER 08 :
Somebody somewhere with a satellite is putting out a dumb beam.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, my word. They are the dumbest drivers on the planet, and I'm not exaggerating. Yeah. They are so bad. And these particular buildings were in the Twin Towers that we're in. I will just tell you straight up, most of the people, when they pull in and out, don't even know what they're doing as far as that goes. It's amazing most of them come and go out of this building.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah. I was just pulling in two weeks ago. I was pulling in just for the show, right? And this lady almost drove right at me. I had the right of way, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
And she's coming out of the parking lot and, you know, the entrance off Parker. And I'm coming and she's driving right at me. I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Andy, I'm telling you, I'm more fearful of that than anything else down here. I almost had to go up on the lawn. You're proving my point. It's not coming and going and worrying about some knucklehead. It's that that I worry about. Right. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
All I can think about is, and they vote. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's just like, oh, my gosh. It explains a lot.
SPEAKER 03 :
Somebody also mentioned, you know, Christy Noem. And Andy did get a follow-up here a moment ago. He was looking while I was talking to our last guest, David. And Christy had an allergic reaction to something. She is doing fine right now. Looks like it was the reason why she ended up going to the hospital.
SPEAKER 08 :
At least that's the initial report.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that's, again, we're not there. This is just things that we're hearing. We're not journalists. We don't get some sort of a feed into the station that tells us these things. We just do our own looking.
SPEAKER 08 :
Can I ask you a question, John? Yes. When's the last time you've seen a cabinet that was this healthy overall? I mean, look at Christy. Not just because she's pretty. I mean, but she is ripped, okay? Christy Noem is very healthy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, they're very healthy. All of them.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, what about RFK? That's ridiculous. I mean, he'd come in here and bench both me and you. But so many... Trump has even lost some weight. His wife... is in spectacular condition. Of course, she's been a model. But, I mean, you look at it, J.D. Vance is not in that bad of shape. Marco Rubio, he's actually in very good shape. You look at so much of his cabinet, they are in incredible physical condition overall as a cabinet coach.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, can't argue that at all, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Kash Patel.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, these are... Dan Bongino. Top-notch individuals and, I mean, does that mean they're perfect? No, folks, they're not perfect. And do I agree with every single thing each cabinet person says? Of course not. I've made that very clear. You know, there's very, very few people. In fact, let me go as far as to say this. There's nobody on this earth that I agree with 100% of the time. Doesn't exist. Now, my Heavenly Father, that's a different situation, and we have a different relationship than we have with humans, of course. But when it comes to other humans, do I always agree with everything they do and say 100% of the time? Of course not, because if you did, somebody's lying. Right. One or the other, Andy, is lying if you say you agree 100% of the time.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, totally. By the way, I'm sorry, I'm thinking of a couple more. Scott Besson, he's in good shape. How about Tulsi Gabbard?
SPEAKER 03 :
Same thing. She's ripped. I mean, my gosh, what a healthy group he's got. Same thing. But, Andy, I think really quick, before we go to break, we've got this misconception on our side of the aisle, especially with a lot of folks here in Colorado, that you have to agree with someone 1,000% of the time or you can't support them. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Otherwise, they are my enemy. The 80-20 rule of Reagan has been completely thrown out. And unfortunately, it's been largely done by MAGA. And I hate to say that because you and I are MAGA.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why is that, Andy? Let's do this. Why is that? Think about that. Let's come back and talk about that, okay? Okay. You bet. We'll do that here in a moment. Dr. Scott Faulkner coming up next, and he's an awesome doctor. Andy said that earlier. Really, he is. He's one of the smartest guys you'll meet in the medical end of things. And I think the biggest reason why, by the way, I can say that is he was smart enough during COVID to realize that, wait a minute, these guys aren't letting me treat patients like I should be. I can't handle the COVID patients the way that they should be handled because big pharma and big insurance and big medical is telling me I can't do this. In fact, they're going to fire me over doing it, so I'll go do something on my own. That tells you, honestly, Andy, how smart he is because he wasn't willing to be subjected to that long term and went out and did something on his own. The best way to do it.
SPEAKER 08 :
And, oh, gee, by the way, he was right. Yeah. Thank you, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. He was right.
SPEAKER 08 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
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Now, back to Rush to Reason. And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And I'm going to couch MAGA with quotes because I get it. There's a lot of people that are involved in the movement and enjoy what we're doing right now as a country and so on. You know, I being one of them. And I don't consider myself to be in this particular camp in this regard. But the question I asked Andy before going to break, I'm kind of rephrasing it, but why is MAGA all or nothing? It's either you're all the way in or I'm throwing you out.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Two reasons. Number one, it is geared around a single personality. Whenever you have one group that is largely organized around one personality, even a great personality who I happen to love named Donald Trump, That becomes a very irrational group. You should never have a group that is aligned around a single personality. OK, I really like America first rather than Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. You see what I'm saying? But here's the other thing. And I don't blame it on MAGA at all. I actually blame it on what we would call the moderates, the establishment, the. You know what I mean? The traditional Republicans, their failures. Because we had for so many years, John, we had Republicans who we elected into office. And at times when they were even in districts, John, where they were winning their elections, you know, 60 to 40, winning their elections comfortably, they would then go to Washington or maybe even here in Colorado, go down to the state capitol and be very compromising in how they voted. They would say, look at it. We waited how long for Donald Trump to come along and finally seal our border? How many Republicans over the last 30 years have said they would do it and never did? Think about that for a moment. OK, and now after being let down over and over and over, what about the budget? OK, well, I think that Rand Paul right now is not taking into consideration how some congressmen would lose with certain budgetary decisions on the big, beautiful bill. The simple fact is he's totally right on something. Look at our budget. We've destroyed America's future. Because Republicans who we voted for would never draw the line. And so what I think is this, John, I believe that a large portion of the base has spent decades being let down over and over and over and over and over by the people we put into office and they've had enough. And now they've gone too far the other way and saying, basically, anybody who doesn't agree 100% with me is a rhino. Everybody who doesn't agree 100% with me is... is a compromiser. Everybody who doesn't agree 100% with me hates Trump. I think that's what they're doing because they've been let down so much that they see it everywhere now. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I can't. Disagree. That is sort of like, you know, you and I have talked about how when something comes up and it may be AI driven, it may just be a conspiracy, whatever the case.
SPEAKER 01 :
They jump right on it.
SPEAKER 03 :
But yeah, they jump right on because they want to believe, oh, I got that has to be true. I mean, in my heart, I know that's true. No proof to back up whether it is or isn't. But man alive, it just sounds like it is. So I'm going to jump on board. Well, problem is that gets us in trouble because it may very well not be true.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, and one thing that really fed into that as well, John, the fact that so many of them came true. Okay, Russian collusion being a total hoax came true. I get it. Spygate came true.
SPEAKER 03 :
All the COVID stuff. Yeah. We were talking about Dr. Scott a few minutes ago. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
All the COVID lies were exposed as actual COVID lies. I get that. The lab leak came true. OK. And so because the left has hidden so many things and so many of those things have now come to pass. Now they think everything that comes out that they agree with is true.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I agree with that. And there's some precedence, I guess you could say, that's been set. The problem with that is you really have to be careful because you still have to vet every single thing that you see come along to make sure that you don't get caught up in the trap of it not being true.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, exactly. But really quick here, John, with either Russian collusion or with COVID. Okay. In both of those cases, folks, we have to keep in mind, we had a ton of information showing us at the time that these were probably... That our point of view is probably going to come true. That our quote-unquote conspiracy theories were probably going to become facts, okay? But we had a lot of information early on. Nowadays, any AI thing put out, they simply jump on.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick too, Andy, along, especially the lines of COVID, but we had some of the Russian collusion as well. Right. Right. But on the covid side of things, keep in mind, folks, Kelly Victory, Dr. Kelly, who's here with us on Thursday's first hour and has been almost all the way through a few shows we missed here and there with her schedule. But for the most part, has been pretty much here every single Thursday. Yeah. We had other experts, quote unquote. In that case, in the medical community, backing up a lot of the things that we were talking about that went against what government and the left was telling us to do. Social distancing worked. The mask. I mean, what a farce they were. The shots themselves. I mean, all of this nonsense. The cleaning. That destroyed a nation. Destroyed businesses and everything. The economy. It ruined the economy. It ruined the nation, basically. We have inflation today, like none other, because of all of that that happened.
SPEAKER 08 :
And kids have never caught up on their education.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct. I mean, think of the— Closing schools down, all the different things we talked about.
SPEAKER 08 :
All on junk science.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. All on garbage. Now, while all that turned out to be true and we were right, you guys, all of you listening, I hope you know that I especially, and Andy's the same way because we'll share information back and forth even the days Andy's not here, but I'll tell you straight up, there's all sorts of things that even today are still coming out about whatever. Right. And I'm very careful to not just jump on something and say, gosh, yeah, that looks pretty real. Let's get on that. No, we will go back and forth. And I'll even bring Charlie in at times and say, you know, what do you think about this? Do you think this is true? Do you think this might be possible? You know, what are the sources for this and so on? And there's very, very, very few times we're wrong because of doing that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because we're careful. Look, even Kristi Noem. What are we saying? The initial reports are that it was an allergic reaction. Do we know for certain? No, we don't. You know, we don't know for certain.
SPEAKER 03 :
No. And I can go down the list of things that kind of come our way. Well, I'll give you a great example, and I just spelled this last week. Andy was with me, and I did this even without Andy, but everybody was talking about how Sunday would be martial law. Not everybody, but there were a lot of people, YouTube and influencers, and so on, talking about because of the No Kings Day on Saturday that by Sunday there would be martial law. And some of you are even texting me some of these videos and people and things, people out there in different websites and places where this was being said. And I soundly said, no, folks, it's not going to happen. You're going to wake up Sunday morning just like any other fathers that you've ever woke up to, I mean, maybe different in your world, but as far as the day goes, you're going to wake up, have Father's Day, do what you would normally do, and you'll never know anything happened the day before. And guess what happened? What I just said. There was no martial law.
SPEAKER 08 :
And, you know, one reason that we knew that, John, is because we could look around in a country and say, you know what? Americans are simply tired of protests. Okay, and either right or left.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, Americans, a lot of Americans are tired even of MAGA protests, pro-MAGA protests, which, by the way, don't even get violent. They're totally safe. I agree with everything said at them. I actually think they're really cool. But I understand that outside of our base, most Americans look at that and say, you know, we're weary of it. But they're very weary of the violent sort that happened on the left. They're really weary. Which, by the way, even this last weekend didn't have that many of those either. No, there weren't that many. And I think a large percentage of them were paid. That's right. Yeah. And so this idea that you would need martial law, you're only going to need martial law, John. Here's what I was getting at.
SPEAKER 03 :
Everything collapses, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. That's what I was getting to. The only way you would need martial law is if they succeeded, is if they really got large percentages of America to buy in on this and you knew they wouldn't.
SPEAKER 03 :
And when we say large percentages, folks, you'd have to have a 75% participation in people wanting to do those things. Folks, I'm not exaggerating when I say this. You had less than 1% participation in everything that went on this last weekend. You'd have to have that number be all the way up into the 70-80% range to have martial law.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I think... I think if half the country were literally in the streets.
SPEAKER 03 :
You'd have to have a really large number of adults participating in something along those lines to have that happen. 1% is not going to do it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And we can look at what happened on No King's Day. Yeah, and you can see, oh, it looks like there's a mob. Well, yeah, there's a mob. If you take 1%. Well, that's still enough people. You pack that into any intersection, you got them up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, 1% is 3.5 million people, folks. Yeah. Of the country. That's still a lot of people. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, it's still a lot of people. But it's only 1% of the 350 million, roughly. It's like 360, but you get the drift. I mean, really, at the end of the day, it's not a high percentage. And yes, there are even some small towns where there might have been 100 people gathering. And for that town, it might look like a lot. But even then, let's say the town has 10,000 people in it and there's 100 people.
SPEAKER 08 :
people out it's one percent you know the bottom line here john is that what those people really were they were advocating for more republicans Because people watch that and they just hate them.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know.
SPEAKER 08 :
They look at that. All they were doing was advertising for us.
SPEAKER 03 :
It was wonderful. I'll go as far as to even say this.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because when you see the other side and there are a bunch of kooks like that, come on.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Andy knows this, and he's the same way. I'll defend anybody's right to protest peacefully. Have your First Amendment rights, all that. I will protect that. I'll go to the grave doing that. I have no problem doing that. Now, with all that being said... And this is a very serious question I'm going to throw to Andy. I'll even throw it to you all that are listening. Has a single protest ever changed anything?
SPEAKER 08 :
I believe that the anti-Vietnam protests had a real impact.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. And that was 50 years ago.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Outside of that, have you ever seen another protest really change anything?
SPEAKER 08 :
Only in reverse. The BLM Antifa protests helped the other side.
SPEAKER 03 :
Great point. Yes, you're 100% correct on that, and that's why they finally disbanded them. So those made a real change. That made a change for our side, not the other side.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so... Successfully? Let me rephrase this. I'm not sure. Have they, those protests, ever successfully made the change they were protesting about?
SPEAKER 08 :
Not really. I mean, how about looking at some on our side really quick, and then we'll go to break.
SPEAKER 03 :
You're fine. We have time.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, what about protesters outside of abortion clinics?
SPEAKER 03 :
That doesn't change the thing, Andy. I'm sorry to say. I don't think so either. That doesn't change anything.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think the big changes don't come from them. In fact, I think they kind of repulse people. People don't like that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Having a pregnancy-carrying center van or bus or something nearby has a lot more effect on that than protesting does.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, that actually has an impact.
SPEAKER 03 :
Huge impact.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think, let's just take a step back. The average person, you and I are incredibly politically involved.
SPEAKER 03 :
Engaged, yes. Okay, we're engaged. Very much so. All the time. Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, now look at the other 80%. Well, okay, no, no. I'll say there's probably about 40%, 50% of Americans... who are pretty much in the murky middle. I'll even go so far as to say 60% or 70% of Americans are simply uncomfortable with seeing protesters, period.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think you're right on that. And they don't want to see it. I would agree with you on that, on either side.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because you know why? They're all saying, you know what? I can see this. If I want to do this, I can see this on Facebook. I can see this on TV. I can see this wherever. I don't need you on that street corner. You're in my way.
SPEAKER 03 :
You're annoying me. And some are going to get mad at me for this, but I don't care. I'm going to say it anyways. This is where I feel our side. needs to be extremely careful in what type of protests we go and do at times. Because at the end of the day, I'm not sure they have any, any, other than the people that are attending, I'm not sure they have any positive effect when it's all said and done.
SPEAKER 08 :
None.
SPEAKER 03 :
For example.
SPEAKER 08 :
How many times have we gone down to the Capitol here as the Republican Party in Colorado? How many things have we affected?
SPEAKER 03 :
None.
SPEAKER 08 :
None.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sorry, Andy, none. We would be better on, and folks, I'm being very honest and sincere when I say this. We'll be much better off. for all of the time and energy and resources and gas money for people going down and parking and the sign making and so on, you would be better off taking all of that money collectively and putting it towards a candidate that we know is right on the edge of winning or losing and helping that person win and then sending them down to the state house. We would be better doing that than having the protest.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, we spend all this money on something that does nothing and here we have an underfunded candidate.
SPEAKER 03 :
Folks, and I know that some of you are going to clap. You're happy with what I just said. Others are probably shaking the fist at the radio saying, you know, you're dirty, rotten scoundrel. You know, you're taking my protest away and my rights away. No, I'm not. You still have that ability to do so. What I'm saying, though, is effectively speaking. When we, as conservatives, try to speak our voice and so on, and yes, our voices always need to be heard, but folks, there's all sorts of ways to make that happen, and you don't have to go to the Capitol steps to do that. And I'll tell you this as well. In Colorado right now, with the not super majority, but it's darn near close to what's going on at our Golden Dome as far as how many Democrats are down there versus Republicans, you going to the steps does absolutely nothing. Zilch. Zero. Nada. I'm sorry to say, we're better off trying to figure out how do we tip the scales more into our favor than going down and whining on the steps of the Capitol. I'm sorry, because what I just said is how the other side looks. They look at it as, we're just whining on the steps of the Capitol.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, and if you don't believe what John Rush just said, think for a moment about all those protests that just happened over the weekend, and think about all the people in the middle who saw that, and think if those people were swayed, Or put off.
SPEAKER 03 :
Put off.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, I've got a few minutes left. I think I can explain myself a little bit further even when it comes to some of what we've been talking about in regards to... What the other side does, fine, whatever. Okay, more power to them. I'm talking about our side, and there's a reason why I personally have never been to any of these types of events. You're never going to see me at a march. You're not going to see me at a protest. You're not going to see me on the steps of the Capitol. A, I have better things to do with my time, and I mean that sincerely. Not that... Doing those things isn't important to our point earlier, Andy, but I personally have other things to do that are much more pressing and important and bring much more value to all of what we're doing, including the political ramifications in the state of Colorado that I'm not going to be there. Number two. I'm not going to put myself at that kind of risk. A lot of you maybe didn't see this, but there was a Project Runway guy, designer. He's out of Hawaii, fairly famous. Somehow ended up at the protest in Salt Lake City. There was a shooting, not at him, not directed at him, but he was involved in a shooting, got shot in the stomach, died. And first thought I have is, why are you there? And I'm sorry, and I'm not trying to be rude to somebody that passed away, but I just have to ask the question, why are you there? I mean, personally? Maybe he was just trying to get through there. No, he was at the protest for a reason. He was participating. And then I have to ask the question, why? You being that stature and so on, why are you there? And again, everybody has a right to do whatever. I've said it before, I'll keep saying it, I will protect everybody's right to assemble and do the things they want to do, but there's times in my own mind
SPEAKER 08 :
where i'm questioning why what are we going to accomplish you guys all know me rush to reason what is the reason we're doing this and what are we going to accomplish out of it okay here's what i want to do i want everybody out there you are listening right now i want you to think about one question you have seen many protests right and left okay name one that changed your mind
SPEAKER 03 :
I can't tell you any. None have in my case. Right. None. If anything, some have turned me off of that particular item. Right. Not on our side of the aisle so much as the other side. But even on our – I'll be straight up honest. There's sometimes on our side where I'm just like, you know, sorry, guys, but you're acting like a bunch of wackadoodles. You're on your own. I'm not getting anywhere near any of you with what you're doing right now because you're acting like a bunch of weirdos.
SPEAKER 08 :
Here in Colorado, it's even worse because the Republican Party has basically just become a protest party.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which we can't do and win, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
No. And there are people who, the Davidians, again, you know, we haven't mentioned them in a while, but they want the Republican Party in Colorado to simply be a protest party.
SPEAKER 03 :
You can't do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
All we do is protest the 2020 steal. We protest, you know, whatever, right? Protest, protest, protest. And, you know, guys, at some point, you have to start winning voters back.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, you've got to start winning, number one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but are you equipping your people throughout the party in Colorado? Are you equipping your people to go out and convert their neighbors to want to believe, to share our beliefs out of you? Okay? Are you having your people, your Republicans, going out through the state, converting more people to want school choice? To want, I don't know, how about more lanes instead of more bike lanes? Even little things like that, you know what I mean? To actually want free markets. To not want what we were talking about earlier in this hour... the city of Denver charging $70,000 for somebody to build a few houses so they could take that money and go buy votes on cheap housing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Again, a few minutes left. Joe, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
The latest protest outrage on the East Coast is a guy named Brad Lander, who's one of the candidates running for the mayor of New York in that election, went to a courthouse where there was an illegal immigrant having a hearing And as he came out, this guy, he's the controller of the city of New York. He's the bookkeeper for the city of New York. He linked arms with this illegal immigrant as he was preventing ICE agents who were there to arrest him from handcuffing him and taking him into custody. So he got arrested for obstruction of justice. Well, that's the big – that is the lead story on every New York City news station. If you go to any of the websites, Axios, Being Liberal – It is the lead story on all of those Facebook sites. That's the latest outrage, that how dare ICE arrest and elected it. Now, yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Joe, that's going to help him in that race.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, that's exactly why he did it. He had a camera. He had people there videotaping. He went there hoping to be arrested.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because he was number four in the polls. He was trailing badly. He was a distant fourth. And he needed to get some name recognition. And he wanted to, you know, bring an issue about, you know, ICE are thugs and illegal immigration issues. And he got exactly what he hoped to get. He got manhandled and arrested by the ICE agents. But that's the biggest – that's today's outrage on the East Coast. And if you go on – Axios is supposed to be fairly politically neutral. If you go on Axios, you'll see like 700 comments.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I'm going to ask you the same question I've been asking Andy, only I'm going to couch it a little bit differently with you, Joe. Given, because I think Andy was right, the last time I think protests really had any kind of positive effect was Vietnam War and some things that happened there and so on. But since then, I will be one to tell you that I don't think any of them have had any have made an ounce of difference. If anything, it's helped the other side progress, not your side. And with today, Joe, our advent of communications, radio, TV, social media, you know, all the different ways that we now have to communicate and get the word out and so on. Our protests in today, you know, and I'm all for first amendment rights and the second amendment keeps the first amendment. We know that, Joe. But at the end of the day, do real literal in-person protests matter anymore?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, John, they must have because I woke up Sunday morning and we didn't have a king, so they must have met.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that's true. Good point. Let me put this. We've got just a minute left here. Go ahead. What about the Tea Party when it first came on the scene? I thought that was very effective, and that was a protest movement.
SPEAKER 03 :
But it was done differently. It wasn't necessarily – I mean, there were rallies and things like that, but they were more rallies than they were protests on the steps of the Capitol, correct? Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. If anything, the protests I see help convince me that my beliefs are correct and that these people are a minority of wackadoodles, that we need to do everything we can to continue to persevere and push what we believe to be correct. And that we need to, if anything, increase our resistance and resolve.
SPEAKER 03 :
I would agree with that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Increase our resolve. That's what it does to me.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
A few thousand wackadoodles aren't going to change my mind.
SPEAKER 03 :
Perfect, Joe. Thank you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Other than the fact that they're wackadoodles. Appreciate that.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, that's good. I appreciate that. And I agree with what you said, Andy, too, and I appreciate you saying that the Tea Party was – keep in mind, though, and you said it right. It was a movement. Right. It wasn't – it was sort of like back in the day with the Million Man March and Promise Keepers and all of that. They weren't protests so much as they were a movement and a rally, which that I'm all for. That's a totally different – that's like a revival. I mean that's like something that sweeps across the country. That's totally different than protests.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, because you're speaking for something, not against. Even though the Tea Party did speak out against.
SPEAKER 03 :
It really was, though, for the freedom that we want to have back in the country.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, and it was speaking against the government that was taking it.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's exactly right. So with that, we've got another full hour coming your way, guys. Text message. Hey, send us some things on what we were just talking about. I'd love to hear from you on your thoughts on that, because that was a deep subject that, by the way, hardly ever gets mentioned, because I don't think most people have the gall to do so. And we did. We'll be back. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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And it's that time, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. Myself, Andy Pate. Today, as it is Tuesday, Charlie Grimes, our engineer, of course. And we'll talk a little bit about the weather, especially when it comes to your roof and things like that here in a moment. But stay safe. Stay safe. Lots of things rolling around as we speak.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I guess north of us, they had hail already. Some big hail. Big hail.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. And some of you always ask that if we are interrupted, do we know it through the emergency alert system? No, we do not. Andy and I, we just keep rolling along. We honestly don't know.
SPEAKER 04 :
We don't hear it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, we don't hear it. Now, one other thing I should mention to you, though, if you're looking for... emergency alerts, you will not have those on the streaming sides of things. So if you're listening to us through your phone or something along those lines or an app, even in the car, you will not hear those emergency alerts. So if you prefer not to listen to us streaming, if you want those alerts, then you need to tune in over the air because that's where those alerts go out because we're a part of that emergency broadcast system. Right. Which is good. So for some of you that maybe you want to tuning in just to know what's going on. Most importantly, just keep your eyes peeled. Be, you know, be alert to everything going on around you and storms, as you guys know, here in Colorado. It doesn't really matter what time of the year, by the way. We can get these things, you know, we can get these storms to come through like like it is today. And we could be nice and hot right after this, which we will be.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it's going to be in the 80s tomorrow. This is one thing that always shocks me coming here from Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, you can see the weather coming for days, practically. And then it would sweep through long and slow over the area and then sweep out. You know, sometimes a little quicker because of high winds, but here... Boom.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, it can change in a minute.
SPEAKER 04 :
Boom in, boom out. Yeah, I moved here when I was 17 up in Loveland, and right away that's what struck me is how fast the weather could come in and out. And the other thing I don't even recall seeing in Stoughton, Wisconsin, was hail. Certainly not like this. Hey, I never thought about that.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's probably right.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't know if it's because of the elevation that it freezes coming over, and it seems like people don't get hail close into the foothills, but you get out toward Aurora and further out. Boom.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, I think you're exactly right, Andy. You're 100% correct. It's that inversion. It's that quick change in temperature that does that.
SPEAKER 04 :
So you get none, do you? I mean, do you get hail impact in there and gold?
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, so you do?
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, I can, yeah. Knock on wood, haven't had any yet, but we can have, absolutely. Oh, yeah, Colorado Mills Mall, which is over there off of Colfax and 6th Avenue. Oh, yeah, they were hammered so badly several years ago they had to darn near rebuild the place. Well, it shows what I know. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I can come in, absolutely. All right, question of the day. Yeah. Yesterday's. Name the two words that morphed into the word okay, and those two words are all correct. Okay. So all correct became okay. They were misspelled, I guess, is what Charlie was saying, is O-L-L. Okay. Yeah, it was O-R-L-K-O-R-R-E-K-T was the original that turned into okay. What is that, some early Celtic? Uh-huh. Early spelling of all correct, yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
Became okay, and okay is easier to spell out than okay. O-R-L-K-O-R-R-E-K-T, just so you all know. So anyways, today's impossible question of the day. Besides memory loss, signs of dementia will also manifest in this part of the body. Name that part. I didn't know this, by the way. Besides memory loss, signs of dementia will also manifest in this part of the body. Name that part. So we're going to dive into here in just a few minutes as we come back from this first break. And something Andy and I were talking about. Late last week, and it's become even more prevalent. It's funny, Andy and I threw this on the docket literally towards the end of last week, and then through the weekend and even more yesterday, it's become an even more heated debate among even conservatives as to should we be involved in what's happening with Israel and Iran and all of that or not.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, and before we go to break, one thing that really surprised me, because as you know, I put out a post really going after Tucker Carlson.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, he doubled down on you last night.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know he did, but the thing is that I did it on my own. I had no idea. There was no national story at all. This was about a whole week ago when I tore into him and I said, look, I defended him when he was let go by Fox News, and I absolutely was wrong. I was 100% wrong. This guy is a loon.
SPEAKER 17 :
Before we move on, and I have not said a whole lot.
SPEAKER 04 :
A very talented.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I haven't said a whole lot about Tucker because, you know, in some areas I have a lot of respect for Tucker and the things that he's done. But I'll just say it straight up before we come back and start getting into this. When people get off, and maybe this is just me, maybe I'm wrong for this, Andy, but when people get off on believing in UFOs and aliens and just the weird stuff that's out there, which, by the way, Tucker does. He believes in all the crap I just said.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, big time.
SPEAKER 17 :
And it is crap. Sorry, it's total crap. And now you can believe we had a guest on one day that claimed a lot of that stuff that you see as demonic forces and so on, and I have no idea. That is way beyond my pay grade, and I don't have any idea, have no thoughts along one way or the other.
SPEAKER 04 :
Do you even care?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, me either.
SPEAKER 17 :
My position is, no, Andy, I don't care. I don't believe in any of that. Now, I believe in demons and all that, but as far as the UFOs and all that, no, I don't believe in any of that nonsense. It's gobbledygook.
SPEAKER 04 :
Really quick here. A lot of the people who believe in those, in the UFOs, will laugh at us for believing in a God who does not intervene in human affairs too much. They'll say, you don't see God intervening in our human affairs. Oh, really? Well, you believe in all these UFOs. They've been here forever, forever, forever. They're all over the place, and they do absolutely nothing to anyone, anywhere, in any way, shape, or form.
SPEAKER 17 :
but yet you believe in them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
I know, it's weird. These are very uninvolved aliens. Thank you. It just gets, anyways, when people host, especially, you know, prominent figures, national figures, which Tucker Carlson is, when they get off on some of these weird areas, Andy, and it's why I'm so careful with all of you. Please, all of you listening to me right now, hear me out in this. It's why I'm so big on hoping none of you get, especially on social media, go off on these rabbit trails where you even reshare or repost something that some nut job said. And Alex Jones of the world says. And you go down this rabbit hole of utter nonsense because when you do that. And believe me when I say this, when you do that, it discredits a lot of the other good things that you may very well believe in and maybe have been involved in or promoted and helped with politically and so on. It just kills your credibility when you go down these paths. Yeah, it does. And it's killing Tucker Carlson's right now as far as I'm concerned. And frankly, even – well, I'll shut up and we'll get into this here in a moment. I'll be quiet. We'll come back. We'll talk more about that. If you have anything to say on that, give us a text message, 307-282-22. Dr. Scott is up next. Dr. Scott Faulkner, and I had a question yesterday. Does he do regular doctor stuff? Absolutely. Yeah, he is an internal certified or board-certified internal medicine doctor. He will help you with anything you have going on, medically speaking, but he does do a lot of things that the regular medical community will not do, therapies and things like that, that they will probably poo-poo, but he is found to be really significant in helping a lot of individuals. We've had personal testimonies of those individuals right on this show. John, in a word, he's brilliant. Yeah, he is. He absolutely is. And give him a call. He'd love to help you out and be your medical doctor today. 303-663-6990.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
SPEAKER 17 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. To myself, Andy Pate. Of course, Charlie Grimes again, our engineer. All right, Andy. And I was double-checking, too, just to make sure that I – because I didn't watch any of the things that Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon were saying because I just – I don't know. A, I didn't have time. B, I'll be honest, Andy. I don't need to. I don't need to watch it. Now, maybe I should be for the show, but I don't need to watch it.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, there's this – what they do is they look at a certain group of the people who are more interventionists, much more interventionists, and they call them neocons, right? These are neocons who want war, war, war, war, war. And, John, don't get me wrong. There are some who do, like the Liz Cheneys. I get that. Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
And we are not that, by the way. You and I need to wonder that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're in the middle. And the reason is I believe that if you – Really quick here on your foreign policy. I believe that if you are too far one way or the other, you become totally predictable to your enemy. Absolutely. And that's the problem. You cannot be somebody who is anti-war, anti-war, anti-war, anti-war. Yeah, because then they can play you like a fiddle.
SPEAKER 17 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
By the same token.
SPEAKER 17 :
You can go the other direction.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, by the same token, if you are basically Senator Graham. And you're very pro, pro, pro, pro, pro. Right. They can play you like a fiddle. OK, they can suck you in to all kinds of PR disasters and all kinds of bad stuff. So, you know, the Iraq war, for instance, you know, which I opposed. OK, I opposed the Iraq war. I was very skeptical of our Afghanistan mission. I was against, you know, backing Ukraine or Russia. OK, I was against everything that we have done with Ukraine. I was against a lot of this. So I am not an interventionist. However, what you have in this group of extreme peacenik wackos, and that's what I call them. They look at everybody who is to the right. I mean, no, I'm sorry, who is more interventionist than them as all warmongers, as all neocons. They call them all neocons. They just say neocon, neocon, neocon.
SPEAKER 17 :
And a lot of them in this particular case, and I know we'll get into this, Andy, and you're definitely more of an expert in this area than I am because you speak to these people way more than I do. I just see a lot of the comments and different things. I do. get feedback at different times. But these are also, in a lot of cases, I'm sorry to say, but these are, in a lot of cases, just flat-out Jew-hating individuals that don't think we should intervene ever when it comes to Israel, period.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, intensely. You know, and this is something that I... Remember, I was the vice chair in Arapahoe a number of years back, and the guy who was the chair, a wonderful guy, Rich, he was a Jew, an Orthodox Jew, very devout, and he's also very libertarian in his views.
SPEAKER 17 :
Which, by the way, so are you and I. Oh, yeah. In a lot of ways, we are as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
We are what you call Republicans. Yeah, there's a good way of saying it. Okay. And he was shocked when I told him, Rich, do you understand what libertarians, by and large, not all, there's obviously differences, but by and large, think of Israel and Jews. Oh, well, I would assume that they're – no, they hate you. They blame you for everything in the Middle East.
SPEAKER 17 :
And the money system and the banks, and I can go down the list, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Right? Right. The reason I went off on a tirade last week on air is because I listen – I don't have it in front of me. I'm sorry. I've been going through so many of these. But I listened to a YouTube of Tucker, and he was interviewing one of his favorite Peace Nick Wacko – And he's nodding in approval the whole time. And the guy at one point, he goes off on this long tirade, just spewing hatred against Netanyahu. And he says that Netanyahu wants to, his goals are, and he calls them the Zionist goals. They always, whenever you hear the term Zionist, you know you're talking. It's an anti-Jew. you know you're talking to one of these wackos, okay? These peacenik wackos. And because they're going to blame the Jews for everything. So anyway, what he insisted was that Netanyahu wants to control the whole area, like seize all the land by country, by country. He wants to seize it all in the area. And then he went on to say that the whole reason that Europe has been overrun by Muslims, as you know, they have been. They have. is because of, get ready, American intervention in the Middle East. Had we not intervened in the Middle East, I'm not kidding now, and Tucker was nodding in agreement, going along, agreeing with all this. Had we not intervened in the Middle East a number of times, Muslims would not have overrun Europe.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's quite a concept.
SPEAKER 04 :
These people blame, and they always talk about the military-industrial compact.
SPEAKER 17 :
Revolutional.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Military industrial complex. And by the way, is there a military industrial complex that's dishonest? Yes. It can go too far. Okay. And push for war, war, war. Why? Because of their profit and their bottom line. I get that. Okay. But they look at everything once again. They see neocons and military industrial complex and Zionists behind every tree.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's because, Andy, and we talk about it a lot, you have to have balance in all of the things that you do and you look at. And the problem is when you start getting... Out of balance. Again, this is an encouragement to a lot of you that are listening where you're trying to figure out some things and you're trying to determine, you know, maybe, you know, is this a right story? Is it a wrong story? And what I would always tell you is make sure that you've got the proper balance as you look at these things and you start deciphering, okay, what is the right answer? What is the real answer? And I try, Andy, to apply that as much as I possibly can because without balance, you get all skewed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. Well, here's what I mean. Here's where you go imbalanced. They turn America first into America only.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
America first is not America only. Okay? It never was.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, it's America first. Right. It's America first. Right. You see the difference? Huge difference. John and Cheyenne, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, some of these people that blame us for the Middle Easterners in Europe don't know history because... most of your middle, a lot of your Middle Eastern immigrants came there after the Second World War where there was no manpower. I know when I was stationed in Germany, there were a lot of Middle Easterners that had migrated to Germany or their families had in the 40s and 50s. So they don't know what they're talking about, John.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, they do not.
SPEAKER 07 :
They do not.
SPEAKER 17 :
And to your point, John, they don't know history very well, to your point.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, because if you look at post-World War II... There were not a lot of men left in Europe.
SPEAKER 17 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 07 :
And so what did they do?
SPEAKER 04 :
By the way, John, there still aren't any in France.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, Andy, you're just going for the French right away?
SPEAKER 04 :
I am. It's early. I wanted to get the show off on a good start, but go ahead, John.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. No, I was just saying, John, you were talking about the weather earlier. We had the tornado warning just east of Laramie earlier. But the temperature in Cheyenne dropped 25 degrees in less than 30 minutes when that storm came through.
SPEAKER 17 :
Wow, that's big.
SPEAKER 07 :
And, yeah, because I went out to get some lunch about 1130. It was like 80 degrees, and it was 55 degrees like two hours later. And it just came through. The storms were bad, but now I'm looking, and the skies are clearing up. So hopefully they'll roll through and be done for a couple of days. But, yeah. No, going back to Europe, Europe is a mess because they all went socialist for that period. Some of them are getting rid of it, but it's going to take time.
SPEAKER 17 :
And remind me, John, are some of these countries countries still that have kings? I'm sorry? Are some of these countries still countries with kings? Just asking for friends. Just asking.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. You're asking for a friend like the king of Belgium, the king of Spain, the king of England.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, because, you know, we had a no kings thing this last weekend, so I'm just wondering, you know, these are all people, by the way, that if you were really to stop and ask them, they would tell you how much better Europe is than here, but yet, same guys holding a sign saying no king.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but, you know, if you really look at it, John Stossel, who is a libertarian, but not a a kook. He did a great thing on talking about socialism in Europe, and most of those people pay For all those benefits, between 60% and 70% income tax.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's exactly right. By the time you add it all up, you do their regular tax, the income, the VAT, all the things that they do. You add it all up. Yeah, your minimum. Typically, you're in that 60% range, John. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Also, they've been largely living off us with imbalanced tariffs.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And the other thing is... They haven't had to spend the money on defense, Western Europe.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, because we handle everything for them. Yeah, they're living off us there, too. That's right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and that's always been my thing. It's been 80 years since the end of World War II. When do we come home?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, muscle up, guys. That's my take on it.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, have a great day. You too, John. By the way, go ahead. One other thing, John, real quick. Andy. Yeah. Did you watch those guys on Saturday in D.C.? ?
SPEAKER 04 :
Which one? The nuts? Or the army guys?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, the soldiers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, the soldiers. You know, I only saw the clips, but I thought it was awesome.
SPEAKER 07 :
Are you jealous the way real military guys march?
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, man. That's hilarious.
SPEAKER 07 :
Have a good day, guys.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right. See you later, John. That's good. That's funny.
SPEAKER 04 :
We marched in the Air Force.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's funny.
SPEAKER 04 :
Maybe sometimes even for 30, 40 feet in a row.
SPEAKER 17 :
There you go. Well, when you're flying, you don't have to march. It's different.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 17 :
At any rate, going back to... Just this whole, for those of you that are maybe wondering, you know, where should we lie on this? And I'll just be straight up honest. There was a tweet that went out a few minutes ago right before we came on air, supposedly some inside knowledge that, you know, the U.S. is very close to stepping in and handling some of what's going on with Iran. I don't know. And this is where I'm always careful to say. I would prefer we don't, okay? That's my initial take is I would prefer we don't. But I want to put a caveat to that and say I don't know everything going on behind the scenes either. I don't know exactly what's happening in regards to Israel and Iran and the threats that have been made and what the thinking might be in doing this. I really don't know, folks. So before anybody jumps to any conclusions as to we should or shouldn't do any of that, you're not in the midst of all the decision-making when it comes to this. In other words, you don't have all the information. Right. Is that a good way to say that, Andy?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. We don't have all the information Trump does. He's got it at his fingertips, and he is making decisions based on that.
SPEAKER 17 :
And I want to add something to what you just said. And I don't know him to be any different than this. We'll do every single thing possible to not have a conflict. Right. It's his normal month, despite what the rest of the world and all the knuckleheads on the left will say. You can go back and look at his history, his track record, and prove that I'm right in this. He will do virtually every single thing that he possibly can to not take us to that brink to where you're actually engaging and doing something. Yes, now there's been a few times in his past as president where he has gone into an area, Syria, for example, and cleaned house for a moment or two. And I'm literally talking a moment, not days, but literally a moment or two to get something, you know, hey, guys. It's sort of like slapping your kid, giving him the McFly, hey, knucklehead. Sometimes he'll do that to a country and say... You don't have to beat your kid for 10 years and occupy his bedroom. No, sometimes he'll just give them a little nudge and say, hey guys, straighten up. And that's kind of what he's done in the past. What will happen here, I have no idea. And I'm always a little bit... How should I say this, Andy? I'm always a little bit careful to not jump to conclusions on one side or the other. I prefer we not get involved as a country because I think the ramifications would be of such that you're going to be reeling back from that. But I'm sure these are things that have been discussed that he's gone through with all of his advisers, talking through all of that, determining what's our best move here. I do think this and I don't think I'm wrong in saying this. If Israel had their way, they would have had us involved by now because in their world it makes things a lot easier and it can get done a lot quicker if we're involved. But I think it's in our best interest as a country to not be unless it's absolutely a have to that we need to proceed and do so.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, there are people, once again, of the Tucker band who say... Never, ever, ever. Well, never, ever, ever. And they insist, oh, it's going to be just like Iraq. WMD, we didn't find it. By the way, a lot of that was probably moved, just for the record.
SPEAKER 17 :
That was my thought back in the day as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I believe a lot of that was moved. And secondly, because they had aerial footage of caravans. Correct. But secondly... These people who insist, Israel's been saying they're building WMD for decades now. They've been saying, I mean, building A-bombs. Nuclear bombs. Yeah, nuclear bombs for decades and that they're weaponizing and doing all this and enriching uranium. Guys, we're not going on Israel's say-so here.
SPEAKER 17 :
No. No, not at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, there are two big things. Number one, we're using their intel, but we're using also our own intel. And thirdly, we have to keep in mind... And the UN's as well. Yeah, and thirdly, we have to keep in mind, why is Iran unwilling to let anybody look at what they are doing under these things? Now, the big thing that Trump has to deal with right now, and then we'll go to break, is... You can let Israel do pretty much everything. But the problem is they do have especially one under a mountain location where they are allegedly enhancing uranium, developing the bombs. And this is under, what, 30, 40 feet of metal and cement. It's built into a mountain.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's built into a mountain.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's a little more difficult than what.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Israel has some really good bunker busters.
SPEAKER 17 :
Nobody has what we have. I talked about that yesterday. No one has what we have.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
No country has what we have.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, they don't have two things. Okay. Number one, they don't have the specific bunker buster that you would need to take this out. And number two, you've got to have the right plane.
SPEAKER 17 :
They don't have the delivery system.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And so does that mean we have to do it? No. That means, though, that we've got to get at least a couple of their pilots able to fly this plane.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's not going to happen either. That's not going to happen because of the technology. Trump's already talked about that. With the technology we have in that bomber, you're not going to let anybody that's not a U.S. armed forces that's been cleared and all that to do so.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm just saying hypothetically what you would have to do to not have the U.S. involved in dropping these things. Now, of course, there is one other thing. Iran wants to deal at this point. Maybe Iran will say, look, if you guys are making it very serious that you are going to take it out with or without us, then we'll talk.
SPEAKER 17 :
Third option, and I read an article on this today, and this is a third possibility, is Israel needs to figure out how to take their Mossad and go into that facility some way, somehow, and get in there and plant enough bombs and so on to basically shut that particular facility down. That's the other option they've got.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I don't think there's any way they can do that at this point because, obviously, security is on such high alert.
SPEAKER 17 :
And it's the Fordow facility, by the way, that we're talking about. F-O-R-D-O-W. That is the facility. Actually, there's some strategic analysts out there, Andy, that would probably disagree with you on that, that think they do have the ability to do that. And again, these are probably the discussions.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look, I... I'm amazed by the massage. Don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER 17 :
Everything that Andy and I are talking about, trust me, I guarantee you, all night long, not just in the last few minutes, but all night long in the Situation Room, everything that Andy and I are talking about right now, only in a lot more depth, by the way, for all of you listening, has gone on. Right, Andy?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 17 :
All the way down to, here's the images, here's our reports, all of this other stuff that you and I are just speculating on, they've literally got that information in front of them that you and I don't have.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And it's incredible. Right. But, John, if they could do that, why haven't they already? I mean, why wouldn't you do that in the first wave? That's going to be the hardest one to take out.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, there's a great article.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because now the Iranians are going to simply dig in.
SPEAKER 17 :
I'll put this article in my link for, or I'll put this link to this article in my show notes for all of you listening. And there's a great article that I read today. And again, it's an article. How much meaning is there to it? I mean, it's hard to say. But this is an article out of Tablet Magazine, or Tablet Publication it's called. And it's an article by Armin Rosen. And it really gets into a lot of the detail of the things that we were talking about, including even everything up to today. What has Israel done to stop the continuation of Iran's nuclear program? In other words, even if nothing else happened beyond today, how much further behind are they? It's a great article, by the way, talking about all the different things that have gone on, what they actually have even done up to this point to stop things in their tracks. What kind of timeline would it be like? But I think what Trump is looking at, this is me personally and his advisors, is we want this to end. It's been proven that Iran is not going to stop in this effort of building a nuclear bomb. So you can delay it, but eventually you're delaying the inevitable. I think right now what Israel and Donald Trump and the administration are looking at right now is how do you just stop this from happening again, period? Just end it, because so far that has not happened. It has continued on. It's sort of like, Andy, going back to the child example. This is like that spoiled rotten brat that may settle down for just a little while, long enough to get him out of the store. But the next time you get him back in the store, guess what? He's grabbing at this. He's grabbing at that. He's throwing a fit on the floor. He's throwing a tantrum. I mean, you still haven't stopped the problem is my point. No, you haven't. It just keeps perpetuating. And that's Iran. They just keep perpetuating this thing over and over and over again. And no matter what administration it's been, they haven't stopped. Right. And I think right now what Israel and Iran are trying to do, or what Israel and the U.S. are trying to do in regards to Iran is let's put a final stop to this so we're not messing with this moving forward.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 17 :
And I'm all for that, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, and this is our big disagreement with the libertarians. The libertarians believe that the only way to have peace is to not fight. Okay, folks, that is not... Yeah, that is... Now, by the way, it is also not true that you get peace by fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. No, I mean, what I would ask these two guys... Those extremes don't work.
SPEAKER 17 :
And I don't know them, so I don't know their personal end of things, but have they ever raised kids? Yes. I'd like to know that from Tucker and Steve Bannon both. Have you guys ever raised kids? Because if you have, you know that your position on what you're talking about right now in regards to our military and all of that is way off base. Because if you've ever raised kids, you know that you can't do what you're talking about with raising kids.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it's not going to work at all.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, it's a disaster.
SPEAKER 04 :
What if the kid knows that his parents are, shall we say, parentally pacifists all the way?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, they'll take advantage of that big time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and how's the kid going to turn out when they're 25?
SPEAKER 17 :
Typically not very well. In fact, there's a lot of, for those of you that maybe don't believe me in this. There are some great individuals, Gary Smalley being one of them, that did a lot of different things in regards to parenting and teaching the Christian community how to be great parents and so on.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, good work.
SPEAKER 17 :
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The best export we have is common sense. You're listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And again, that article I was talking about earlier out of tablet, I was telling Andy, great article. There's not a lot in it. I mean, I didn't read it word for word. You know, I read the majority of it as quickly as I could because it's a very long article. But basically talking about how if you can shut down that Fordow, F-O-R-D-O-W, I think I'm saying that right, the Fordow facility, you're going to set them back most likely about 50 years. in this process of them getting a nuclear weapon and so on. That's how critical that particular facility is to Iran.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I mean, why do you think they've got it so protected?
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, yeah. That's exactly why.
SPEAKER 04 :
But that's going to be—once again, John, now that we're in the middle of a war— I mean, if you are Iran, are you going to be trusting anyone near there if you don't know for sure, for sure, for sure that you know them?
SPEAKER 17 :
You'd have to figure out a way, Andy, to literally... I mean, that's awfully tough. You know, bomb, and that thing is way underground, so it's fortified even underground. But yeah, you'd have to figure out a way to bomb all around that as much as you possibly could to where... And he did talk about how there are... even outside of bunker busters there are some ways if you could even get into the first few levels of that and set off some charges and get the roof to collapse how it would be unstable and be hard for them to even repair it and he gets into a lot of detail that's very interesting by the way but also very hard to do on their own without our support yeah it's going to be really hard i mean getting to that one and that is becoming the only chip they have left to play
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, that's really all Iran's got is that. They've got that ship and say, okay, we still got this threat.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's all you got. And the one thing that Israel probably has already done, and this is great again.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they say that while denying that they're enriching uranium.
SPEAKER 17 :
Because you think about this and some of these details you don't really think about. At all, but one of the things that Israel's probably already done is done whatever they can to shut the power to that facility off. Right. Because when you do, the centrifuges that are spinning now shut down. There's no way to keep them spinning at, they spin at, it's in here, 450 meters per second, and it wrecks them when they quit spinning, of course. Right. In fact, in some cases, they can literally come apart just from the unstableness as they're spinning down.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would be really interested to see where the power comes from to power that facility.
SPEAKER 17 :
And he did not know.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't know if hardly anyone knows.
SPEAKER 17 :
What he was saying in this article is it's doubtful it's underground. He said it's most likely something that's being plumbed in some way, somehow, and it's a matter of figuring out where is that, because it's unlikely that their power source is in the building itself.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, maybe it's that switch in your home that you have no idea. That light switch that doesn't work for anything else.
SPEAKER 17 :
There you go. And this is his words. He says, you know, it says right here, somebody asked him, can Israel destroy Fordow without American help? He says, yes, I think so. They could mine it during a commando raid. They could potentially crack the ceiling or undermine the support structure of the halls. They can make it very difficult to get in. Effectively, that's destroying it. If you can't get in without months and months of work, then why get in at all? It's more than likely destroyed. Most of your centrifuges are going to be broken at that point. So he is saying that, yeah, there is. And again, these are things. Trust me, folks. These are things that for the last probably. Well, since he got back from G7 last night, these are all the things Trump and his team are talking about. These very subjects is what they're talking about.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, I think people also these libertarians, they take so lightly the intents. The intense nature of evil.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. They don't seem to understand. Look, right now, Iran could have, over those 60 days, but they could even do it right now. Trump would talk. Okay. He would. He says he won't. He would. If they came to him and said, look, we want... This isn't happening. But if they said, we want prosperity. Okay. We want prosperity. We are going to give you full access to all our facilities. You can... Go through them constantly and have full access anytime and look at them and make sure that we are not developing a bomb, but we want prosperity for our people. If they came to Trump with something like that, Trump would be like, oh, well, yeah, I'm all over that. Let's do it. They don't care about prosperity for their own people. It means that much to them. You are talking about a whole society. culture that is weaponized only to kill okay right this is why you know this is why i don't like regime change so i'm going to take a shot at the quote-unquote neocons here for a moment i don't like this regime uh... regime change mindset and yeah and nation-building mindset why because i got news for you the problem is islam unless you're going to have islam leave a nation then guess what you're going to get more bad leaders why because they're islamic And their entire belief system is built on killing the infidel. How do you make that into a good belief system, John? I'm not sure how you make that work.
SPEAKER 17 :
You can't. You can't, Andy. OK, it's been proven over and over again.
SPEAKER 04 :
OK, so if you can't make that work, then why do you want to sink trillions into trying to do so? And also the blood of your own people. OK, you need to make sure that now I don't go as far as Tucker. You've got to remove threats. You cannot let threats grow and hope they go away. That's Lord Chamberlain. So. That's stupid.
SPEAKER 17 :
Really quick, just devil's advocate on the Tucker side. I mean, I guess, does Tucker feel like if all we do is defend our own shores and our own walls, I guess we're okay at the end of the day? And then the question I would ask Tucker back would be, okay, so what you're saying is if a madman like these Iranians and or the terrorist organizations that they could supply with a nuclear warhead if they were to get a hold of that and it comes this way what's your answer tucker well he would hope i guess that we have our own golden dome but we don't i know that doesn't exist right now tucker i mean you see where i'm going with this he's so unrealistic you know john here's another he's a smart guy by the way but is he not thinking through some of the things i'm asking
SPEAKER 04 :
John, when you are completely bent, hell-bent on a certain perspective in life, it turns off your intellect in that area.
SPEAKER 17 :
Maybe he thinks the aliens will save us.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, John, how smart do you think I am when talking about the Green Bay Packers?
SPEAKER 17 :
Not very.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not very, okay, why? Because I am totally committed to my Green Bay Packers, okay? By the way, you're not too bright talking about your Broncos. But nobody is. Be true to your team, right? And so how many MAGA people... say things where we are kind of like, you know, I'm sorry, but that's not true. That's not going to sell. That doesn't work. Where they insist on running a candidate in a district where they can't possibly win.
SPEAKER 17 :
I go back to my balance issue that we opened up with. You've got to have the right balance to be able to look at things correctly to know at the end of the day what's going to work and not work. And I was joking, but maybe Tucker does feel like the aliens will save us.
SPEAKER 04 :
Maybe he does.
SPEAKER 17 :
Seriously, maybe he thinks that.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, here's what people like Tucker don't seem to understand. And they don't. They don't understand the true nature of Islam. And here's what I mean. Islam is much worse than Nazi Germany, okay? Because, first of all, Islam wants to do all the same killing and everything that Nazi Germany did, right? However, number one, they have access now to modern weaponry that way, way, way... out shoots what they had back in Nazi Germany. That's just obvious. We've come that far. And they have, I mean, there are Islamic, you know, republics with nukes, okay?
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's the real problem.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, Pakistan.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Others, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Yeah, I get it. Number two, the Germans didn't think that they had 72 virgins awaiting them afterward if they die for this. Do you see the difference? There was no religious fervor with the Germans. They were anti-religious, largely. Right. Good point. Here's another thing. The Germans were part of a nation, right? That nation would come over the hill at you or whatever. That's not Islamic. Islam's everywhere. So Islam, this threat, is threaded throughout societies. Look at Europe now. So it's threaded throughout all kinds of societies. Right now we have a problem that Iran has all kinds of people here in the United States who could strike us in many ways tomorrow.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. And before some of you— The Germans, you know, they had some, but they didn't have anything on this level.
SPEAKER 17 :
Before some would run around and say, okay, well, then what keeps us from attacking the Pakistans and some of those of the world where they have a nuclear weapon and have one existing right now? Right. The difference is, Andy, they're not running around saying death to Jews.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. They're not putting it in their— Not publicly, anyways. Yeah, they're not putting it in their charter that we are here to remove Israel from the map.
SPEAKER 17 :
And there's been other times where they've actually come alongside us and helped us defeat some of those that would do that. And it's weird because they're all kind of of the same flavor. Right. But they're not.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, right, right, right. They're very uneasy allies at times, yes. And you're only allied because you're going against a worse foe. And, for instance, Iran is a much bigger problem for them than it is for us simply because of geographic location.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right. It's right next door.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. They don't want Iran to have it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Correct. Nor does, despite what the Saudis and some of those would say, because they came out and said, well, Israel shouldn't be doing this. And that's kind of about all they said, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 17 :
Because they also know at the end of the day that they're more worried about pumping that oil and turning that spigot on than they are anything else.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and also, let's face it, if Israel hits those oil fields in Iran, then the Saudis have a much more expensive product. They'd be very happy.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, really quick along those lines, I'm glad you mentioned that, because you know who's got the most to lose in all of what's going on in Iran right now, especially when it comes to oil? China. China loses out the biggest because they buy 90% of Iran's oil, which isn't a lot. It's a couple million barrels a day, roughly, maybe not even that high. It might be just a tad below 2 million a day. But it's still quite a bit, and they would have to figure out another source to buy that oil, and it would be a lot higher priced than what it is right now because they're buying oil that basically no one else in the world will buy because nobody will touch it except them.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, when I look at everything that Joe Biden did as president, one thing it always comes back to, it always comes back to the fact that he was serving China. Yeah, and a great example of what's happening in Iran. Look what he did for Iran.
SPEAKER 17 :
So really quick, why can't the Tucker Carlson's and the Steve Bannon's of the world figure out what you just said?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, they do know that. Tucker would be the first one to say Joe was in the pocket of China.
SPEAKER 17 :
So then why would he be against what's happening right now when it comes to what's going on in Iran?
SPEAKER 04 :
Because he believes that the use of force will bring greater repercussions no matter what. But the problem is that that comes with the assumption that if you don't use force, that somebody like Islam will therefore thank you for it and not use force against you. We'll just go over there and talk nicely. Well, because it presumes that, first of all, that they are not going to build, build, build, build, build and become worse, worse, worse, worse, worse, and then hit you harder. That's lunacy. Of course they will. That's exactly what they've been doing, right? Look, it's just, this is pacifism. Rabid, peacenik, crazed pacifism. He has this General Douglas McGregor who comes on his show. And he was a general, I believe, in the Gulf War. OK, and I'm sure he was a very good strategist. But some of these generals, some of these ex-military types, and, you know, I'm a veteran, but some of them go rapid all the way, rabidly the other way. They completely lose their stomach for war. And when I say that, I'm not saying that I love war. OK, but what I mean is. They think about what war is, what it really does, because war is hell. It is. It tears apart bodies. It's a horrible thing, right? They think about that, and they decide, at all costs, we must not be part of this, and it wrecks their foreign policy.
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Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
So, you know, incredibly healthy woman. I have no... Who knows? You never know what can happen.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Getting back really quick to Iran, we've got to keep in mind this is Joe Biden's war. For these people saying, well, this is starting under Trump, no, no, no, no. Hopefully it's finishing under Trump. We've got to keep in mind, first of all, Barack Obama sent them, what, $16 billion in pallets of cash? I forget.
SPEAKER 17 :
Some huge amount. Yeah, huge number.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, and Joe Biden undid Trump's sanctions on them, okay? Joe Biden unleashed their ability to make money. They have the money to do this because of the left. Donald Trump is having to fix it. $400 million on the one plane. On one plane. Wow. Must have been weighed down quite a bit.
SPEAKER 17 :
Those were the pallets, $400 million. Pallets. Pallets of cash. Pallets of cash. They showed pictures of it. I mean, Obama was standing in front of them. It was literally on wooden pallets, yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Isn't that amazing?
SPEAKER 17 :
And was a further settlement, or that was part of the installment, the first installment of the $1.7 billion we were allowing them to have. Remember, it was frozen in funds and so on, and we released all that to them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but we unfroze a lot more funds.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, that was just that first round, like I said.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, right. Unbelievable. Look, the bottom line is Iran wouldn't be able to do any of this, John, if it weren't for the American left.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right. You wouldn't be in the situation you're in right now, period, without that. So we'll leave it at that. We've got a lot more to talk about today, folks, as always. And, again, be careful of the storms that are out there. Most of them, where we are here in Aurora, have passed through. But you never know. Be very careful. And, again, be watching for that. Some of you have been texting me on that as well. So, yes, we're aware of that. And some of you have even heard some of the alerts that have gone out. Again, we'll be back. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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I'm a rich guy
In this insightful episode of The Flatline, host Rick Hughes dives deep into the themes of courage and commitment, drawing wisdom from the scriptures. Rick emphasizes the importance of standing fast in faith, as taught in 1 Corinthians, and how this perseverance is crucial in a world filled with challenges and distractions. Listeners will be encouraged to reflect on their spiritual journeys and recognize the significance of sustaining their faith with the word of God. Rick addresses the nuances of faith - distinguishing between saving faith and living faith. Through poignant teachings, he illustrates how believers can harness the power of scripture as a source of spiritual strength and growth. Whether you're a long-time listener or tuning in for the first time, this episode serves as a motivational reminder of the indomitable strength that comes from a life rooted in Christ. As the discussion unfolds, you'll learn practical steps to safeguard your spiritual wellbeing amid life's adversities. Rick passionately urges us to become spiritually self-sustaining, realizing that true contentment and strength are nurtured through continuous growth in God's grace. Tune in for a transformative session that challenges and uplifts.
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Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
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Good morning and welcome to the Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and for the next few minutes, please stick around. It won't be long, 30 minutes of motivation, some inspiration, a whole lot of education, and no, none, zilch, no manipulation, because we're not going to con you. We're not going to ask you for money. We're not trying to sell you something. We're not trying to get you to join anything. It's simply a show about the Bible, God's Word, me teaching that to you, trying to get you to orient and adjust to the plan of God for your life. If you can do that, then that would be fantastic. My job is to verify and identify that plan, and so my prayer as you're listening, and that you will make the decision to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. This morning we welcome many new listeners who may be tuning in for the first time. Recently we added new stations to our Floodline broadcast, cities like Sarasota, Florida, Albany, Georgia, Maui, Hawaii, Marion, Illinois, Greenville, Mississippi, and Beckley, West Virginia, just to name a very few. If you like the information you're hearing and you'd like to hear more, You don't have to wait until next Sunday broadcast because we post all our shows on our website. That's rickhughesministries.org, rickhughesministries.org. If you go to the site and click on the FLOT line, F-L-O-T, you will find a link to all of our past shows. You can also check out all of our podcasts found on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and other several podcast venues. Just go to the podcast site, search for The Flotline, and you'll find all the shows as well as the transcripts for each of the shows that we teach. You may notice something different. We don't sell books. We don't request money because I believe if God's in it, God will pay for it. And so our financial needs are always his responsibility. My objective is to find those of you that are hungry for spiritual information, information that will assist you in your Christian life or perhaps even meet the needs of those of you who would like to become members of God's royal family by receiving Christ as your Savior. You may find the information I'm giving you does not agree with what you're hearing in your local church. If that's so, go to your pastor with your questions. I'm sure he'll be able to answer any questions you have for you. If you don't attend church, feel free to write to us here via our website, and I'll try to answer those questions for you. That's rickhughesministries.org, okay? Now today, I want to talk about courage and commitment. Courage and commitment. In 1 Corinthians 16, Paul wrote some words to the church at Corinth saying this, Watch, stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong, let all that you do be done with love. Many believers that I talk to don't really recognize the seriousness of the situation. In this particular passage, the Apostle Paul is wrapping up his first letter to the church at Corinth. And he finds it necessary here to issue a challenge to the believers in Corinth due to the opposition of the devil, aka Satan, the master deceiver. This is actually the second time he issues a challenge to stand fast in these closing remarks. Remember the words, stand fast. The first challenge was in 1 Corinthians 15, 58, where he said, therefore, my beloved brethren, Be steadfast, be immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. Prepositional phrase, in the Lord. So let's notice the key words to be used to challenge the readers that read that letter that he wrote to them. The first key word was watch. Watch. Watch is an English word. We're familiar with it. Do you have a watch on your wrist? No. Look outside and watch the weather. Okay, now we're getting closer. Watch is a Greek word called Gregoreo. Gregoreo, that's the Greek word when we translate it watch in English. But that verb is a verb of command. It's not a request. It's an apostle's order. Present, active, imperative in the morphology of that particular verb. The present tense means there never is a time that the believer is not to watch. The active voice says you do the action. You create the action. The imperative mood in that verb is the mood of command. It's a command. Watch. I remember being in high school trying to diground sentences in English class and flunking every time. And here I am giving morphology of Greek words. That just shows you what God can do when a person gets saved, when the Holy Spirit controls his life, when he has a great pastor that can teach him something. I wasn't dumb, I just wasn't interested at that time. Now I'm interested, I hope you are too. Gregoreo, the verb of command, present active imperative, wake up, pay attention. It's the concept of standing guard or being vigilant. Now, what should you and I be watching for? That's a good question. In Matthew 24, our Lord tells the disciples to be watching for his return after the tribulation. I'll read it to you, Matthew 24, 29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon will not give its light. The stars will fall from heaven and the powers of heaven will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other. In Matthew 24, 42, watch therefore, there's our word watch again, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. I'm sure very few of us consider today may actually be the day that the Lord Jesus Christ would return to gather his church. When you awaken this morning, did you consider this could be the last day you'd ever spend on planet Earth? I know you get excited when you're planning a vacation or special trip, don't you? You can hardly sleep at night thinking about all that needs to be done before you leave the next morning. It's called anticipation. If you knew the Lord was going to return for his church in the morning, would you be getting prepared? Would you call family members or neighbors and alert them so they could be prepared? Listen to Luke 21, 34. But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day come on you unexpectedly. You're not watching, are you? You're not paying attention. Take heed. Don't let your hearts be weighed down with all this other stuff. So not only are we to watch for our Lord's return, But the scriptures say we're also to watch our personal actions, lest we be overtaken by the enemy. In 1 Peter 5, 8, Peter warns us, be sober, be vigilant, that means pay attention, because your adversary the devil walks around like a roaring lion, seeking who he can devour. When you ignore your spiritual life and your responsibilities with your spiritual life, you become vulnerable to the deceptions of Satan. His objective is to shut you down and take you out of the game. And he uses many tactics to do this, but one he gives many is to substitute emotionalism for spiritual growth. Christian worship through emotional appeals has distracted thousands of people from ever reaching spiritual maturity. Oh, we need to remember that it is the word of God that sustains us in our difficult times, not the words of your favorite hymn. I want to say that again. Listen, we need to remember that it is the word of God that sustains us in difficult times, not the words of your favorite hymn. Why would I say that? Romans 10, 17. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Your faith is the source of your spiritual strength. That's why the scriptures instruct us to do what? 2 Timothy 2, 15. Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You have to grow your faith. You have to learn the Word of God, and you have to have that backup information stored in the compartments of your soul, the mentality of your frame of reference, so you can use it when you need it. Another word found in this passage that we looked at in 2 Corinthians 16, 13, was stand fast. We had watch, first of all, watch, and then we have the word stand fast. This is the Greek word stacheo, stacheo, or stacheo, we might say stacheo, that's more correctly pronounced, stacheo. And it's another present active imperative. And it means this is not a request but another command. Watch, stand fast. Breaking ranks and not standing fast is definitely a sin. So Galatians 5.1, stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Wow, what a strong statement that is. You've accepted Christ as your Savior. You are now free from the penalty of sin and death, free from the control of the sin nature. We talked about that last week, the freedom that you have now that you are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. And here he warned, don't get tangled up again with the yoke of bondage, slavery of the sin nature. You see, the grace of God set you free from the chains of religious legalism. Those Judaizers of Paul's days would move into an area where Paul taught faith alone and Christ alone, and they would insist that new believers come under the bondage of the Mosaic law. beginning with circumcision and other legalistic demands in order to be worthy of salvation. In 2 Thessalonians 2, 15, we read these words. Therefore, brethren, stand fast. There it is again. Hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or by epistle. In other words, whether I was there face to face or whether it's written instructions. Hold on to it. Stand fast. Don't be distracted. Don't be overrun. Don't be defeated. Now let's go back to Paul's instruction in 1 Corinthians 16, 13. In the form of an admonition, stand fast and how? In the faith. There's a prepositional phrase. In the faith. In hopistis. That's the Greek word. In hopistis. Here we must see the distinction between saving faith and living faith. So you're saved by faith, but living by faith is something different. Living by faith is demonstrated by use of the faith rest drill. That's problem solving device number three in the flat line of your soul. Where would I get something like that in 2 Corinthians 5, 7? We walk by faith, not by sight. So when you're told to stand fast in the faith, where's the strength come from? From the scriptures you've learned and stored in the compartments of your mentality of your soul so you can pull them out and claim them and use them as problem-solving devices when it's necessary. You have to learn to walk by faith in this life. We don't know what's going to happen tomorrow or the next day. We don't know why some things happen and why some things don't happen, but we believe God's in control. We believe these words. Listen carefully. Jesus Christ controls history. So we walk by faith, not by sight. You may ask exactly, what exactly is faith? Well listen to what the writer of Hebrews said it is. In Hebrews 11 one, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. So walking by faith is observed by the mental attitude of one simple word, trust. Walking by faith is observed by the mental attitude of trust. Do you trust God? It's simply you having confidence in God's logistical grace provisions. I mean, we could spend many hours studying faith. Some believers are weak in their faith. Romans 14 one says that. And some believers are growing in their faith. But one thing is absolutely certain, book it, write it down, God will test your faith. James 1.3, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. So you have to be tested to grow. That's why we learn, apply, and glorify God, L-A-G, LAG, learn, apply, and glorify God. Our faith has to be tested. And when our faith is tested, if we endure that, we produce patience. Patience. What a wonderful, wonderful thing to have as a Christian, to be patient and wait on the Lord. In 1 Corinthians 16, 3, quite you like men be strong, he said. Be strong like a man. That's our passage we were studying there that he wrote. Be strong like a man. Finally, in this passage in 1 Corinthians 16 three, we find those words adrizomai, adrizomai. And then we add a word pros, we add one word krateo, krateo. And this means like a man. Like a man, be strong. This is certainly a challenge to the male believers in the congregation. They are to act like men, not babies. That's something that's so pitiful to see. Born again Christian, adult, act like babies. Act like a man. Stand fast. Watch. Keep your eyes sharp. Stand shoulder to shoulder. Shield to shield. Watching over your neighbor. Watching over other believers. Having that faith. Standing and encouraging them and praying with them. Stand fast because our enemy goes around like a roaring lion looking for the weakest one he can devour. These people that Paul wrote to are never to be intimidated by any people or any set of circumstances. They are to what? Stand fast in the faith. Be like men, be strong. The challenge is for every believer to grow up and don't act like a baby. What I mean by that, I mean somebody who needs constant attention. The spiritual life requires growth. You gotta grow as a Christian. We go through, once we get saved, I remember when I got saved, I didn't know anything about the Bible, nothing. Thank goodness I got in a good church and got a great pastor that started teaching me something. And I started learning a little bit at a time. But we have to grow up. We have to grow through spiritual self-esteem. My pastor taught me these words. I want to give you his words. The spiritual life requires spiritual self-esteem. This is where you develop self-confidence, and it's based on the scripture, the scriptures you learn and apply in the thinking of your own soul. Your spiritual life was never designed to depend upon counseling. Now, I get people call me all the time, want me to counsel them. I don't do counseling. Spiritual life was never designed to depend on counseling, never designed to depend on advice from other individuals, or in any way to use someone else as some sort of crutch for your spiritual life. As a member of the royal family of God, your perception and your metabolization and your application of the scriptures determines your ability to deal with every stress, every problem, every adversity, every area of prosperity or adversity, doesn't make any difference. And to handle these things, without leaning on anybody except the word of God in your soul. That's where we have to get the mature believers. Spiritually self-sustaining. Spiritual growth leads to spiritual autonomy. And this is a wonderful thing, it's characterized by contentment. That's that word patience again, we're content. It's you sharing the happiness of God, which means that circumstances that come into your life do not dictate whether you'll be happy or not. Circumstances do not dictate happiness for you. This contentment is a form of mental stability. Mental stability is the ability to think Bible doctrine of the word of God or scriptures under pressure. That requires courage on your behalf. So the final stage of spiritual growth now is where we recognize spiritually mature believers. Now back up a little bit, we had spiritual what? Spiritual autonomy, spiritual self-esteem, the first one, spiritual autonomy, the second one, and now spiritual maturity. This is where we are known to be mature believers. This is where we glorify God to the maximum. And this is also a very tough time in your life because you will undergo evidence testing, which is cross-examination, aka the devil himself, just like he did Job. I had a friend send me a text this morning and said, I got some health problems. I got the word of God in my soul to handle it, but I appreciate the extra prayers. He doesn't need me to tell him what to do. He knows what to do. He knows how to use faith as drill. He knows how to trust the Lord. He knows that this is what we go through when we begin to reach spiritual maturity. We undergo evidence testing like Job did. Therefore, spiritual maturity is the divine objective for you and for me. It's the purpose for all commands of the scripture related to time. and it's the only way we can ever glorify the Lord Jesus Christ in time while we're here. Spiritual maturity is the basis for all temporal and even eternal rewards and blessings in the future. So lastly, Paul says be strong. Quiet you like men, and then be strong. Present passive imperative, notice passive, not active, it's a passive this time. of the Greek word krataiou, krataiou. And the passive voice means the subject receives the action of the verb, they don't produce it. The present tense means they're always to be strong. The imperative mood is the mood of command. So what does this word mean, krataiou? It means to be strengthened or receive power from the noun kratos. That's the root of the word kratos. The fact that this verb is the passive tense indicates it's something you receive, not something you crank out and manufacture. And this is indicative of how we are to be strengthened and protected by means of the Holy Spirit. In 2 Thessalonians 3.3, the Bible clearly tells us these words. But the Lord is faithful who will establish you and guard you from the evil one. The Lord is faithful who will establish you and guard you from the evil one. Did you get that? And that's in 2 Thessalonians 3.3. And then in 1 Peter 5.10. But may God of all grace who called us to his eternal glory by Jesus Christ, after you have suffered a little bit, strengthen, and settle you. There is spiritual testing. That's a mature believer going through evidence testing where you come to the witness stand and Satan's allowed to cross-examine you, find out exactly what you're made of, May the God of all grace who called us to his eternal glory by Christ Jesus after you suffered a little bit, that's your testing, establish you, strengthen you, and settle you. You know, each one of us has a responsibility of strengthening our own souls by growing spiritually. and increasing our faith. And there's only one way to grow your faith, and that's by learning and applying the scriptures into your life. You don't do that, you're not gonna grow. You don't learn the scriptures, you don't have any faith. All faith is related to the scriptures. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. To the extent that you know the word of God in your soul, that's how strong your faith is. For example, do you know how many promises are in the Bible that you can claim? Someone once told me there are over 7,000 promises in the Bible that you can claim. We've written a book called Promises and Principles. It's for you, it's free. It's one of our many books we offer. And if you'd like to have that book, it's got a lot of those promises there that you can claim under certain situations. It tells you what situation you're in and what promise to claim. But God has given you that for your faith. His word is the powerful energy of your faith. Each of us has the responsibility to strengthen our faith by growing up spiritually. That's the only way we can do it. Learn and apply the scriptures. So again, we go back to Romans 10, 17. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. By studying the scriptures and applying what we learn, we demonstrate our faith and grow our faith. Hopefully you've heard me emphasize the need for a well-qualified pastor, haven't you? A well-qualified pastor to teach you the scriptures and explain the meaning. so that you can accurately represent Jesus Christ through your life and thoughts. And some of these radio stations we've added this week, a couple of those towns, I'm very familiar with great qualified pastors in those towns. Pastors that are really cranking it out and teaching. Been there a long time. Solid, sound, great men of God. if you don't have a pastor and you live in one of these towns you let me know we'll try to hook you up we'll try to tell you where you can get the information face to face or over the internet or in printed form whatever but i'm not a pastor i've always told you that i'm an evangelist my job is to lead you to the lord jesus christ to give you some basic information and encourage you to get under a well-qualified pastor There are a few out there that I know of. If you don't have one, get in touch with me. We'll try to point you in the right direction. My prayer is that you'll continue to grow in the grace and the knowledge of your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If you're a new listener to our show, that you'll go to the website, rickhughesministries.com. and listen to some of the shows there. Just go to the website, type in on your internet, rickhughesministries.org. And then when you see the word Flotline, click on that. You'll find hundreds of radio shows categorized as play. All you got to do is click on them and they'll play and you can listen to them going back for years and years ago. And our podcast. We've got almost 2 million downloads now through the podcast. So if you'd like to go to Spotify, if you'd like to go to Apple iPod and type in The Flotline, you'll find the radio shows there that you can listen to 24 hours a day, seven days a week, driving, sitting at home, wherever you might be. Okay, boy, what a great time to be in. What a wonderful opportunity God's given me to come speak to you, to give me this opportunity to share this information with you. The main thing I want you to know is that are you saved? Do you know for sure that if you died today, you'd go to heaven? Are you confident of that fact? Have you put your faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ? Because if you haven't, regardless of what you may do or try to do, you're never going to get in heaven. Because the Bible says what? He who knew no sin was made sin for us so that we might remain the righteousness of God through him. Christ died for us. He took our place. And we know the Bible says, whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. It was a simple thing for me to do, just to bow down on my knees one night and when I was 22 years old and say, Father, I'm a sinner. I know it. I recognize it. I'd like to receive Jesus Christ as my Savior. Something like that. I don't remember all the words exactly, but it happened. And I didn't see an angel. I didn't hear a harp. I didn't hear any music. No dust floated down the ceiling. But it happened. My life changed the moment Christ came to live in me. And he will come to live in you also. He will if you will receive him as your Savior. So think about that. Do you know that you're going to heaven today? Are you confident? Can you know it? Well, sure. 1 John 5 says these things are written so that we might know that we have eternal life. He that has a son has life, and he that has not the Son of God has not life. So I hope you'll do that. I hope you'll make that decision. And I hope if you are a believer, you've been challenged by what I've read to you today, what Paul wrote in Corinth, to watch, stand fast, and in the faith, be brave, be strong, and let all that you do be done with love. That's the key to it. Personal love for God is your motivational virtue in life. If you love me, you'll obey me, 1 John says that. If you love me, you will obey me, and my mandates are not grievous. So that's where it starts, personal love for God, and then impersonal love for the ones who we don't even like. It's possible you can love people you don't even like. How do you do that? You do that based on your character, not theirs. You're loving them based on who you are, not what they are. So think about that. That's what this show's about, teaching you the mechanics to the Christian life and hopefully directing you to the Lord Jesus Christ or directing you to a well-qualified pastor where you can grow in the grace and the knowledge of your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Okay? We'll be back next week, same time, same place. I hope you'll join us then. So until then, this is your host, Rick Hughes, saying thank you for listening to The Flatline.
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Thank you for listening to The Floodline with your host, Rick Hughes. If you'd like to contact Rick, please write to him at P.O. Box 100, Cropwell, Alabama, 35054, or online at www.rickhughesministries.org.
