In a compelling discussion on domestic affairs, the episode explores the ongoing budget battle in the House of Representatives, highlighting the strategic challenges faced by Speaker Mike Johnson amidst partisan disagreements. We also turn a critical eye toward Colorado's controversial bill on misgendering, dissecting its implications on parental rights and child custody—a testament to the broader societal debates gripping the country.
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from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
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We're having direct talks with Iran, and they've started. It'll go on Saturday. We have a very big meeting, and we'll see what can happen. And I think everybody agrees that doing a deal would be preferable to doing the obvious.
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That was President Donald Trump yesterday during his meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Welcome to this April 8th edition of Washington Watch. Thanks for tuning in and making us part of your day. The U.S. has moved significant military assets into the Middle East in advance of those direct talks with Iran. We'll discuss what this may mean with FRC's Executive Vice President, retired Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin, former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. And while President Trump has a knack for negotiations, can you negotiate with the Iranian mullahs? We're going to talk with Dr. Eric Bordenkircher, research fellow at the UCLA Center for Middle East Development. On the domestic front, House leadership is pressing forward on the next steps for the budget.
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We cannot delay the country. Can't afford for us to delay a month or longer. to wait on the Senate getting where we are. We've got to continue to move forward, and the bill that we have before us allows us to do that.
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That was House Majority Leader Steve Scalise earlier today. Suzanne Bowdy, Editorial Director at The Washington Stand, joins me with the latest on the budget battle. And this alarming development in Colorado.
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This is the most egregious bill I have seen this entire session. The idea that misgendering your own child is considered a course of control, which is another word for abuse, child abuse, because you wanna get your child help instead of affirming their delusions, and you can lose custody of your child over that. This is the most disgusting bill I've seen so far.
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That was Colorado State Representative Jarvis Caldwell arguing against House Bill 1312, which could affect child custody if you misgender your child. That passed the House and is now in the Colorado Senate. FRC's Meg Kilgannon will join me with more details. And it's out, episode eight of FRC's God and Government. In episode eight, I explore what the Bible says about economics, wealth, inflation, and the proper role of civil government in the economy. This is, given what's happening right now, a very timely discussion. But you can only find it exclusively on the Stand Firm app. The God and Government course is at Stand Firm, at the Stand Firm app. If you don't have the app, you can text the word course to 67742. 67742, the word course, and I'll send you a link. All right, House Speaker Mike Johnson says he's moving ahead with a plan to vote this week on the Senate approved budget resolution despite reports of opposition from some of Republicans in the House. In fact, yesterday we had the chairman of the House Freedom Caucus, Andy Harris, saying he's not for it, which I think is representative of many in the Freedom Caucus. He can only spare, the House Speaker can only spare three votes How will he be able to move this forward for a vote tomorrow? Or could it take longer? Here to discuss the latest is Suzanne Bowdy, Editorial Director and Senior Writer for The Washington Stand. Suzanne, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks, Tony. All right, give us the latest.
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Well, if anybody tuned in yesterday, I hope you did. You heard from Andy Harris about the Senate, which over the weekend passed its version of budget reconciliation framework. Now, If you've been listening to the show, then you know that both chambers of the capital right now are trying to come up with a plan. It's really like they're trying to write the rules for a game they haven't played yet. And the big game is how do we do the federal budget? How do we do tax cuts? What are the floors for spending offsets, the debt ceiling? Trump's tax extensions. They're trying to come up with a plan to go at this to see what they can do. And the two chambers have very different ideas about what should be done. On the Senate side, what they passed is objectionable to a lot of the House members, largely because the floor for spending cuts is so low. If you heard Andy Harris yesterday, he said, we're coming at it from a floor of $2 trillion worth of spending cuts. And you hear the Senate saying $4 billion with a B, which is a drop in the bucket many House conservatives think into what they should be doing.
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That's almost a rounding error when you consider the size of the budget. So, House Speaker Mike Johnson, as... Repeatedly, we've seen him when he's been at these tight points, he's kind of pulled out the Trump card. And today he did the same. He had President Trump met with the House Freedom Caucus and some others. How did that go?
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Well, I think they hoped it had gone better than it did. After the meeting, there was a readout that said a lot of the more hardline conservatives were still not in favor of the Senate plan. They don't think that it cuts deep enough. I know that Ralph Norman had concerns, Chip Roy as well. And as you said, the House can only afford to lose three votes. And I think Mike Johnson has a really tough job here because what happens in reconciliation is the two sides have to come to an agreement on a plan. And that plan is how they go about unlocking this process to actually do the work. So we're at the very beginning of this process right now.
SPEAKER 03 :
So let's unpack that for just a moment, Suzanne. So the Senate only has $4 billion in cuts. The House had $1.5 trillion with hopes for more. So how can they work within that framework? I mean, are they limited then within that framework for only $4 billion if they take the Senate?
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No, and I think that's one of the points that Mike Johnson is trying to make. Look, this is just a shell. It's a skeleton. So if the two sides come together, if we agree on this skeleton moving forward, then we can make it whatever we want.
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At the end. So this is just kind of like the start, what we end up at the, and this is the point the speaker made earlier or over the weekend in the conference, as he was at the conference call with the members on Sunday, is that this is where we start, but it doesn't mean this is where we have to end up.
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Absolutely not. And I think that's what Trump emphasized today in those meetings, which is that, look, I can bear down on the Senate to get more cuts. In fact, a lot of the people that left the meeting said Trump assured us that we could get more than $4 billion. I think a lot of members' concerns are, well, yeah, you say you're going to cut $4 billion, but we have absolutely no assurance of that if this is the plan that's at the table.
SPEAKER 03 :
But wouldn't the flip side be true as well, that even if they adopted the House version that calls for the $1.5 or more trillion in cuts, that doesn't guarantee that's where they end up.
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No, and I think that the House conservatives in particular would like that to be as much as $5 trillion.
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But they're not locked into that by this framework. So it's just a starting point, a reference point. What they end up with is based on what they can get agreement to at the end of the process.
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Right. And you can see both sides' point of view. Obviously, there's a lot of wiggle room in this process to do more than what's being laid out right now. As a lot of people have said, the real work starts now. We're really just getting on the train. We haven't even left the station yet. But you can also see the side of the conservatives who think that, well, that's great. You're making all these promises. How do we hold your feet to the fire when it really comes down to making these reductions? And you add to that the debt ceiling. You add to that whether the tax cuts are permanent or just an extension. There's just an incredible amount of controversial issues that at some point both sides are going to have to sit down and really hammer through, whether that's now or whether that's you pass the shell of a plan and then you come to the table later. Regardless, there's going to be hard work in negotiating on both sides. This is not where either side is going to end up. It's going to be a process.
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What about Congressman Andy Harris's point yesterday on the program that, all right, we really don't need this budget resolution right now to start the process. We can go ahead and our committees can start doing this work now while we're still having a conversation about what the framework looks like.
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And that's what they did in 2017, the last time the Republicans tried to do a reconciliation bill. They said, OK, we're going to punt on this issue of the resolution, the plan, the framework, which ultimately they will have to do. You can't unlock the process without it. But they went ahead and negotiated, went to their appropriators and said, hey, let's get together. Let's huddle. Let's see where we can make cuts. There's been suggestions of going. I think Ron Johnson was on the show last week saying we can go line by line by line and the appropriators can cut. We can talk about it. So there are many avenues with which to take with this.
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I don't see at this point a way forward for this bill, for this budget resolution that came over from the Senate to pass the House this week.
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No, and complicating matters is, and this is a little inside baseball, but you have to have a rule passed before they can even get to a vote on the plan. And guess who are the gatekeepers of the rule committee? They are these very hardline conservatives who are not going to say, OK, sure, let's vote on this rule. And then it's open season on the budget resolution if they sincerely have problems and don't believe that the Senate is going to make further cuts.
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And in their defense, in the defense of conservatives, rarely does something turn out more conservative than it starts in this city. Right. And not kept. And usually things turn out bigger, not smaller in this city. However, that said, let me be the other side of that coin as well. We're in the era of Trump where things are different, much different than what they've been before.
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And Mike Johnson has really benefited from having Trump to come in behind him and alongside him and say, hey, this is what I want done. You two need to work it out. Both sides need to come to the table and unify. In this situation, I really do think that Trump is the Trump card. I mean, I do think that he will come in and strong arm senators if he needs to, to get a little bit more just to bring the House to the table.
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But that is a big difference.
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Oh, absolutely. Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars worth of difference.
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I mean, that... I would have to agree with the House that the House leadership, well, the budget chairman, Chairman Smith, this is not even, this doesn't even look reasonable. This is not a reasonable counteroffer of $4 billion.
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No. And earlier today, Thune said we're speaking in completely different languages. I think he's right. Now, the Senate does have to deal with the reconciliation process itself. It does have a very complicated mechanism for getting this bill to the floor. Ultimately, it has to originate in the Senate. But at the end of the day, there's going to be no bill if they don't make some concessions.
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Now, the Freedom Caucus met with the president today. The president's meeting, in fact, right now, the Republicans are gathered for an event here in D.C.
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Right. And Mike Johnson was saying, look, I really hope we can get to a rule vote later tonight. I don't know if that's the case. If they can punt it to tomorrow, maybe they'll have more success in bringing members together overnight. But it is looking a little bleak to get something through in the next couple of days.
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So what does that do with the rest of the agenda items that kind of got derailed last week?
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Over the proxy voting.
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Yeah, there was the proxy voting issue last week. That was a rule. That was actually a rule that brought everything to a halt. That was taken down when I think nine Republicans joined with the Democrats to defeat that rule, which, as you said, it's... you know there's a lot of in the weeds stuff happens here but in order to have a floor vote you have to adopt a rule first that rule went down chances are the same thing could happen here
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Well, exactly. And you have all these bills that are waiting in the wings. I mean, the SAVE Act is on ice, which is an election integrity bill that we care very much about. A lot of things are being held up because they need to make moves very soon to get the reconciliation bill on the president's desk by Memorial Day, which is Johnson's goal. Whether that can actually happen is another conversation.
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I do think the urgency is there, given what has happened to the economy based on the tariffs. The certainty of the tax cuts being extended or being made permanent, I think is essential.
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Well, and businesses right now are just waiting to see what is going to happen with the tariffs, what's going to happen with the tax cuts. They need to plan in advance. So I think you see the volatility in the market right now, and a lot of people are just skittish waiting to find out what any of this means for their future.
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All right, 30 seconds left. We've got to go to a break. But, Suzanne Batty, how can people keep up with this via the Washington Stand?
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Sure, yes, go to WashingtonStand.com. We've got a lot of analysis on this and other issues.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us. All right, on Sunday, the Colorado House of Representatives passed a bill that would treat the so-called misgendering of a minor as child abuse, an action that could result in kids being removed from their parents' custody. And they did so after Democrats executed a move that prevented Republicans from debating the legislation. It was House Bill 1312. So what does this tell us about the hold that the transgender movement has on certain states and parties? Joining me now to discuss this, Meg Kilgannon, senior fellow for education studies here at the Family Research Council. She previously served at the Department of Education during the first Trump administration. You know, at a time when we see talking about the Trump administration moving to define male and female and to protect parents and children from this transgender ideology, Colorado's like going all in the other direction.
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I think the technical political term might be buck wild. It is unbelievable what they're doing there in this regard. They have passed a bill about having documents be able to be changed, your birth certificate, driver's licenses, state ID cards, all of that you can change to your new name and your new gender. And then this bill regarding parental rights is really, really concerning. You're basically saying that if a parent does not adopt the name that a child chooses for him or herself, that if a parent calls a child by the name that they gave them the day they were born, That that parent is guilty of child abuse and that the implications of that are that the child could be removed from your custody for deadnaming, quote unquote deadnaming, or not agreeing that your son is in fact your daughter or vice versa.
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I mean, this is incredible.
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It's really chilling. So there's that, and then the fact that they don't allow debate on the topic, which tells you that they know they're wrong, right? They know they can't defend it.
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But that is how the left operates. Right. And unfortunately in Colorado, you've got all those folks fleeing California that have brought those values to Colorado and has tremendously changed that state over the last two decades.
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And legal marijuana.
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Yeah.
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That has changed the state a lot, too.
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They may have been smoking that before they went into this bill, but... Here's the reality. So this, it, let me just read an analysis. House Bill 1312 penalizes debt naming or misgendering as discriminatory actions and to mandate the courts to include such claims in determining the allocation of parenting time in custody cases. So this could clearly be used in a divorce situation where custody is being determined about the children. So the children then become a pawn and this, a parent who cares about their child and refuses to play along with this make believe damaging ideology will be penalized by the courts in Colorado.
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Right. We know this is such a destructive ideology. It tears apart families. There are cases of divorce that are caused completely by this topic where the child is online, decides they're a different gender. One parent goes along, another parent refuses. And so now Colorado is weighing in on the side of the parent that's going along and saying that the parent who doesn't agree doesn't have a right to see the child.
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And that passed by a vote of 36 to 20, I believe.
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Very close. There were a few Democrats.
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One Democrat.
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Right.
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That voted with the Republicans.
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Party line vote, essentially.
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But that wasn't the only thing that they weighed into over the weekend there in Colorado. Also, abortion drugs.
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Right.
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What did they do on that?
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Right. There was a bill to – it's a form of a shield law. They would make it possible for drugs to be prescribed, and the name of the doctor wouldn't be on the prescription, simply the name of the practice that the prescription was made from.
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So this is the – we're talking about the mifeprestone, the abortion pill, those – That that's not required on the prescription.
SPEAKER 11 :
The prescription, right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And what's the purpose there? So that the doctor's not identified?
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So that the doctor's not identified. But as a person who takes prescriptions occasionally, if I need to ask a question about that, who am I supposed to call? Right. I can't, I can call the practice, right? But I don't know what doctor actually prescribed it. It's a very, very dangerous, very dangerous practice.
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And it goes further in that this provision also prevents Colorado residents and businesses from complying with out-of-state civil, criminal, or regulatory inquiries about individuals or entities involved. in the prescription and distribution of these abortion pills. This is just what we saw in my home state of Louisiana in New York, where a New York doctor, without even seeing the young woman, gave a prescription that was solicited by the mother to bring about an unwanted abortion through this pill. That's what we're talking about.
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That's what we're talking about. That's exactly what we're talking about.
SPEAKER 03 :
This points, once again, Meg, to the need of the federal government to address this issue because they created the problem under the Biden administration, two aspects of this. One, the FDA loosening the requirements for in-person consultation before prescribing these abortion pills. And then secondly, the Department of Justice saying that the Comstock law does not apply to the abortion pill, meaning they could be mailed They've been sent through the U.S. mail.
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Absolutely. It's incredibly dangerous for women to take these drugs when they are unsure of how far along they are in their pregnancy. These drugs were approved through use at 10 weeks. That is very early in pregnancy, and it's very easy to misunderstand how far along you are in your pregnancy, especially if you're young and you're under a lot of stress. Obviously, you're very stressed if you're considering this dire situation. resolution to your situation. So this is just, we've got to get past the point where we decide that it's okay to kill people to solve problems, including with abortion pills.
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The states, as we're seeing here with what Colorado is doing, is influencing pro-life states, states that have passed laws to protect women and their unborn children. Those laws will be undermined by what Colorado is doing, what New York is doing, what California is doing. And so this is where the Trump administration, the Department of Justice, and the FDA have to step in and address this issue.
SPEAKER 11 :
For the sake of women's health. Yeah.
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Meg Kilgannon, thanks so much for joining us and bringing us this update from Colorado.
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Thanks for having me.
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All right. All right, folks, on the other side of the break, we're going to move into foreign policy issues. We're going to talk about what's happening in the Middle East as the U.S. is posturing itself with a military buildup. Could this be to influence the talks that President Trump said are going to be taking place with Iran over their nuclear buildup? Well, what impact might those actions have on the debate or on the discussion rather? Well, retired Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin joins me next. Don't go away.
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This is Washington Watch. I'm Tony Perkins, your host. Thanks so much for joining us. You can find out more by going to Tony Perkins dot com or better yet, download the stand firm app and you can have Washington Watch right there in your pocket anywhere you go. All right. The United States is posturing itself to have more firepower and military influence in the Middle East. Head of Israeli prime minister's office. Benjamin Netanyahu's visit to Washington yesterday, reports showed that the U.S. moved certain military assets into the region. This has raised questions on potential military action against Iran. In advance of direct talks that the president announced would be taking place this weekend regarding Iran's nuclear weapons, efforts. Here to talk about this is retired Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin, Executive Vice President of the Family Research Council. General Boykin spent the last four years of his 36 and a half year military career serving as the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. He was also one of the original members of the U.S. Army's Delta Force. All right, General, let's start with this. There's some significant military assets, two aircraft carriers, B-2 bombers, some significant military hardware in the region. What does that tell us?
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Well, it tells us that President Trump is serious about this. This is not just a show of force. I think he's serious about it. Now, I don't think he wants it to turn into a shooting war, but I think that he's ready to do that. And I think that he and Mr. Netanyahu probably talked about that. And we're going to talk about it some more.
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And the timing of this, moving these assets into the regions, the B-2 bombers that are in Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, parked out in the open, obviously so that they could be detected and seen. Is this a kind of a flexing of the U.S. muscle prior to these conversations with Iran coming up this weekend?
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Well, yeah, I think it is. There's no question about that. And the other thing that they're moving in there is air defense systems. And they're getting the most modern air defense systems along with some of the older ones, but they're putting those in there too. So if anybody was to try and hit some of our stuff at Diego Garcia or Djibouti or any of those places where they're taking this stuff, they've got the air defenses to stop that.
SPEAKER 03 :
And there's the Navy's in rotation with their aircraft carriers. They have held one over. So you have two aircraft carriers in the region. I mean, that's quite significant.
SPEAKER 16 :
Tony, you're a maritime guy. You're a Marine. You've been on ships before. And you know that when they move a carrier task force, it's not just one ship. It's a task force of many ships. It's massive. Yeah, it is massive. So that's serious. And again, I think it shows Donald Trump's resolve. I think it shows that he is serious about this. He doesn't want war. Because he campaigned on stopping wars. But at the same time, he has a responsibility to protect our country as well as our allies.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm going to talk a little bit more about this coming up on our next segment of the program. You have a long history in understanding Iran. You were a part of the effort to rescue the American hostages during Ronald Reagan, well, prior to Ronald Reagan, during Jimmy Carter's administration. Can you negotiate with the mullahs?
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No. You and I stood in the office of one of the Middle East leaders. And he looked us in the eye and said, you need to understand that Iran has a bloodlust. Right. Meaning what? Meaning they want to kill. And no, can we negotiate with them? Not in good faith. Supposedly, when Barack Obama closed the deal on the JCPOA, they had negotiated in good faith until the— inspectors went and found out, well, there were certain facilities that they couldn't go into, which was not part of the JCPOA agreement.
SPEAKER 03 :
The most recent reports overseeing what information they can get a hold of of the nuclear situation in Iran is that they're three to four weeks from being able to have nuclear weapons.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, they can apparently, according to what we've seen, they can have as much as almost 400 pounds of enriched uranium, weapons-grade enriched uranium, and that would build seven weapons, seven warheads. That's dangerous.
SPEAKER 03 :
The hopes, as what we've seen comparison to is Libya, that there would be a dismantlement of their nuclear capabilities and that would be overseen. Do you think that's possible?
SPEAKER 16 :
I don't think it's possible with the Iranians. Now, I think the Iranians would potentially come up with something else that they think would appease Donald Trump, but I think he's too astute, and he's got Netanyahu working on his side, and he's on Netanyahu's side. So I think that that would be very difficult.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, I could see them delay tactics to try to wait out Donald Trump, thinking he's going to be gone and they're going to get another like Joe Biden. But this is the window, is it not, in which decisive action needs to be taken to stop?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I don't think that Donald Trump wants to go down in history as the guy that left Iran with everything they needed to destroy Israel. So I think that if they can't come up with some agreement, I think it ultimately is a reasonable chance that they can find a solution, but I think that it's also a good chance that we're going to wind up seeing a strike over there on their facilities. And that's the last straw.
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All right, General, thanks for joining us. Folks, stick around. We're back with more after this.
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Well, according to him, he said direct conversations. You talk to the Iranians and they want indirect dialogue. We'll see what happens when they get to Oman.
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It seems that they should be eager to want to talk to the United States if he's opening that door.
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You would think that. But this is the Iranian regime in Tehran. And They think that they like to call the shots often and have a pretty big ego.
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So we were just talking with General Boykin, retired Lieutenant General Boykin. He's of the mind that you can talk, but don't expect much from the mullahs in Iran.
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I more or less agree with the general. I would imagine the Iranians may try to drag Trump along here for a little while. And then also, too, I mean, on the Iranian side, there's an element of trust. Trump pulled out of the deal. What is this guy capable of doing? So I'm sure there's a level of apprehension on their end. But obviously, there's a great deal of distrust on our side as well.
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Now, you know, when you go into these negotiations, and the president is really good at negotiation. I don't think anybody can question that. But usually you go in with, you know, like you're dealing with a reasonable man, you know, you kind of game it out what people are going to do. There are certain individuals in countries that we deal with that do not respond in a rational man theory or according to the rational man theory. I mean, the president last time began conversations with North Korea. Kim Jong-un, and that didn't really lead to any results. In fact, the guy is more wild today than he was back then.
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Correct. Yes. Yes. I mean, you're dealing with regimes here that are willing to do anything to stay in power. I think one of the things we need to think about with the nuclear issue in Iran is that when Iran gets a bomb, there's regime protection and allows this regime to stay in power forever. indefinitely. So I think there's an element of that involved here that they know if they get this weapon, it allows them to stay in power.
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So is this the window to deal with this? Are we in that window?
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I believe so. I can't imagine that this is going to drag out a whole lot longer.
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Talk about how neighboring countries view Iran and where they come down on this issue.
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OK, well, with the regime protection that a nuclear weapon would provide allows Iran then to continue to insert its fingers into these other regimes. At the end of the day, the Iranian regime is a revolutionary regime. It came about as a revolution and has sought to extend that revolution, protects it through the Revolutionary Guard. And the Revolutionary Guard also looks to project that into the region. And initially when that revolution happened, it was – the Iranians believed that it would appeal to all the Muslims in the Middle East. But ultimately it only appealed to the Shia Muslims in the Middle East.
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So the Sunni Muslims are concerned about Iran.
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Yes.
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And their ability to exercise that power if they had a nuclear weapon.
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Yeah, and to create problems. So for the Saudis, the Saudis have a Shia community within their borders, and that Shia community is largely within the area where a lot of their oil fields exist. So this could cause a problem. We've seen it cause a problem with Hezbollah in Lebanon, what it's done to the Sunnis and what it's done to the Christians there and to just Lebanon in general over the last 25, 30 years.
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So, Eric, let's talk about what would a post- nuclear power Iran looked like? Let's say the nuclear capabilities were eliminated either voluntarily by dismantlement or by direct military action destroying it. How does that reshuffle the Middle East?
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I mean, I don't think there's going to be a voluntary dismountment at this point. You don't think they will follow the path of Libya like Libya did? The Libyan model, I think we need to keep in mind the Libyan model is the Libyans were willing to give up all their equipment and equipment related to nuclear procurement. The Iranians believe, and this is to an element of the revolution and ideological, but also from a civilizational element, that they're this great historical civilization. And at least the public line is that we deserve to have the capability to create peaceful nuclear energy. Now, obviously, that's a joke because Iran has a lot of oil under its feet. So, but, you know, on a public level, there's this idea that we're a great civilization, and among the great civilizations, we should be allowed to have this technology and do what we want with it. Now, the problem with that, and so the Libyan model wouldn't allow that. It's just you can't have that at all. Right now, there's this kind of belief that, well, as long as we don't go through some thresholds, then we can have this nuclear energy. Everybody knows that's a facade. Yeah. And then the other problem too, not just with the regime protection or regime security, but this can trigger then nuclear perforation in the region itself. So a place like Saudi Arabia, for example, the Saudis have expressed concern about this and they've expressed an interest in acquiring nuclear technology as well. And the Obama administration and the Trump administration work to prevent this from happening. But that element is out there as well, and not just the Saudis. I'm sure then the Egyptians would want it, probably the Turks as well. And with all these elements and actors like the Houthis out there, you don't know who could get something in the wrong hands.
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If Iran and their nuclear capabilities is eliminated, That strengthens the hand of Israel in the Middle East.
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Yes, the Israelis. Because at the end of the day, this is an element of hegemony here and who controls the region. And the Iranians believe that through this nuclear power that they can project their hegemony and power over the, you know, there's a Persian Arab element here as well that the Persians will control. project power over the Arabs. There's a line in House in Sand and Fog with Ben Kingsley and you see he's a Persian, an Iranian general who had left during the revolution, but he still holds this contempt for the Arabs and he makes a comment about how the Arabs were You know, lizard eaters. So there's this kind of element too, but then the Israeli element, Jewish element as well, and the anti-Semitism and the rhetoric that comes out of Tehran, you can't ignore. You have to take it at what they say.
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I think some of those who are projecting what would happen if Iran is denuclearized and that power is taken away from them is a little rosy. I mean, everything kind of falls in place. You get Saudi Arabia becoming friends with Israel. I mean, I do think there's some element to that. But I do not think you're going to see peace in that region of the world just by eliminating the threat of Iran.
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True. And if the Iranian regime disintegrates and dissolves here, you don't know who's going to come into power, possibly elements of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. And the other thing, too, that I think people don't often realize is that Iran is a very heterogeneous society and that there are a lot of – various ethnic groups within Iran itself. So I believe Iran has a possibility of fragmenting across a bunch of different lines and then starts to create problems for other countries like Iraq, for example, and their Kurdish community up in the north and the Turks. And you have Kurds in Iran and then Azeris and then Balooks and whatnot. So this element starts to emerge like an Iraq issue.
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Is there also the risk that in their wake emerging to take that mantle of Islamic power would be Turkey?
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You could see the Turks trying to fill that void. And I think they're already trying to do that now with what's going on in Syria.
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Because I think short of the nuclear threat that Iran poses to Israel, I think Turkey is a growing concern among Israeli leaders.
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Yes, due to their presence in Syria and their interest in managing the Syrian situation at this time. Part of that is also due to the Kurdish question out in northeastern Syria. And they see that the Kurdish element there poses a threat to their security. But I think their interests extend beyond just the Kurds in Syria at this point.
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So what's your sense in terms of the resolution of the Iranian issue and nuclear capabilities?
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I don't have a very good feeling about how it's going to go down. I wonder if there is going to have to be several strikes here, not an all-out war, but an attempt to kind of aggressively push this to being resolved.
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I don't have high hopes. Well, as I was talking about earlier with the general, when we look at the capabilities that Iran has from their nuclear program, the latest reports suggest that – I guess it was the IC – The ISIS that was there doing their evaluation, not having access to everything, but they have made clear that they're just weeks away from being able to convert the current stock of 60% enriched uranium into weapons grade uranium. That's just a few weeks away.
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Sure, sure. That's nuclear capability. Then there's another step in regards to putting this on a missile. I don't know what the timeline is on that. I think sometimes we get this mixed up. It's nuclear capability, but then there's another element there. And I believe that the administrations have tried to go on after Iran's missile manufacturing as well to kind of mitigate or curtail this, too.
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The Israelis took out some of that in that last airstrike. But I think it's to a point where everyone should be a bit concerned about what Iran is doing.
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I think very tenuous and similar to what we saw in regards to the attacks on Israel. And we don't know whether it would blow up further. There's a little bit of a back and forth, but not much. We have American troops in the region. We still have them in Syria. We have them in Iraq as well. We have them in the Gulf. So that's another concern to think about as well.
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Eric, let me go back to the press conference or the meeting yesterday at the White House between President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu. That was kind of a hastily called meeting. There were several things on the agenda, the tariffs, Iran, Hamas, and actually Turkey was a part of that conversation based upon the readout of the meeting. Where do you see the Israel-United States relationship?
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I mean, at the moment, I think it's quite strong. It was a little disconcerting to see Trump talk so positively about Erdogan, but that might be also to kind of embellish and brush Erdogan's ego to a certain extent and maybe warm him up for some kind of negotiations. Because I think Trump has this idea, you know, this... MO of trying to be warm and friendly, whether it be with North Korea or Putin, for example. But it looks like that the Americans are going to have to mitigate some kind of modus vivendi between the Israelis and the Turks in Syria at this moment.
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We just have about a minute left. Syria, I mean, that is constantly evolving. Where do you see that moving?
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I think Syria is going to look a lot like Lebanon. I think you're going to have a state, but you're not going to have a very strong nation. So the sectarian, the ethnic identities are going to start to compete with the national identity, which is what you often see in Lebanon, what we see in Iraq, and what we could possibly see in Iran if the regime dissolved there. And what often happens is these regional actors will then provide security, provide support to these various elements, and these various elements will fight it out.
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Which makes it dangerous for Israel.
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True, yes.
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So that's why they have a vested interest in resolving this the right way.
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Yeah, well, the Israelis have, I think, recognize this and have courted the Druze community down in southwestern Syria, too. So they know this game, and they've played this game before. They've had a policy to deal with the minorities in the region. They've reached out to the Christians in Lebanon, for example, initially. But it's been a tough policy to pull off.
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It's going to be very interesting to see how all of this plays out just in the, I think, days and weeks ahead. Eric, thanks so much for joining us. My pleasure, Tony. Thank you. All right, folks, we're out of time for today, but I want to thank you for joining us as well. And until next time, as the Apostle Paul says, keep praying and keep standing.
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Join us as we navigate the intricate landscape of U.S. legal challenges and international diplomacy. We'll update you on the latest from Washington, where Trump's administration continues to face legal hurdles despite temporary victories at the Supreme Court. In the second half, we shift gears to international affairs, focusing on the surprising announcement of U.S. talks with Iran set for this weekend. Our discussion examines the strategic nuances of such diplomacy under President Trump’s leadership, with commentary on the potential outcomes. With expert analysis and listener engagement, this episode of Sekulow balances detailed news breakdowns with engaging discussions on legal advocacy and international relations.
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The Supreme Court gave President Trump an early win, but the fight is not over yet.
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And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. That's right. We got a packed show today. Will Haines joining me in studio. We're going to have a couple of our attorneys, CeCe Heil, Garrett Taylor. It's going to be packed. And you're going to want to stay tuned because there's a lot going on right now in the world of the ACLJ. But also... but also you may have heard the news and the news may be giving you a little bit, a little bit misleading. I don't know if you think that's normal for the news to do that, but both the conservative news and the liberal news, you'd say the Fox news is in the MSNBCs are both touting this in different ways. MSNBC is touting it as panic as I believe president Trump had a big win. Fox news also saying this is a big win, but when you actually break it down and look, we've always told you here on this show, uh, We don't give you all the information you just want to hear. We give you all the information. And all the information shows that it's not as clear cut. It's not as big of a win, maybe, as the mainstream news wants to present it. Sure, temporarily, this is a win. This is a win. But there are a lot of details that have come out when you really break it down, when you really look at their opinions, dissents, and all the things that came out that, Will, it's not just a clear-cut President Trump victory.
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That's right. So a per curiam order came out from the opinion, rather, from the United States Supreme Court last night, and this was on the application to vacate the orders issued by the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. This has been the judge that has Been a thorn in the side of the administration when it comes to the deportation flights. This is the one that got in early and tried to get them to turn the plane around. And what has gone on here is that that temporary restraining order that the judge put in place was now vacated by the Supreme Court. So that temporary restraining order was putting a hold on deportation flights and that entire deportation program under the Alien Enemies Act. that temporary restraining order has now been vacated, meaning that the Supreme Court is saying that the Trump administration can restart that program. But there's a lot of caveats that come with that. And their rationale wasn't necessarily that the judge erred in putting the TRO in on place. They didn't rule on the constitutionality of how The Alien Enemies Act is being applied. What they found was that the plaintiffs that took this to the district court used the wrong venue. That what should have taken place was a habeas petition within the area of confinement for the migrants that were seeking to block deportation, not in Washington, D.C., as they chose to do.
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And we're going to break down the details of that coming up in the next segment. So I want you to make sure you stay listening. This is one of our shorter segments because in the next one, we'll break down, let's say, the wins. It says on here, the less than wins. So maybe not losses, but a not yet victories for President Trump and the Trump administration and their plans. Now, look, you may disagree with those plans. there's some of this i go yeah you know do we want due process in this country i think probably i think there's probably good ways to do that but again it's always painted from a point of view it's always painted from some sort of narrative what do you think i'd love to hear from you give me a call at 1-800-684-3110 1-800-684-3110 as we continue taking on major cases by the way the aclj keeps going and the life and liberty drive continues as well so i'm going to ask you go to aclj.org every gift you give today will be doubled you're gonna be joined by our legal team coming up in just a few minutes because again there are these big sweeping supreme court cases and then the aclj gets involved on the granular local level and sometimes you know an hoa oversteps their bounds and we want to be there for you when that happens we know the hoas they always i mean i was a vice president of an hoa at one point was just a yes man really i mean from just being honest to the president but you know what it was an honor and a privilege but you got to have due process there as well phone lines are open for you 1-800-684-3110 support the work if you can have your donations doubled we're going to go through a big list of what the aclj is doing and we're going to break down this news when we get back Welcome back to Sekulow. Harry Hutchins is joining us in studio right now to break down the legal portion of this. You can understand what's going on. Because like I told you before, and I want to reset a little bit for those just joining us here in the second segment, you probably have seen the news. You thought, okay, President Trump had a big win. Again, you may agree with it, you may disagree with it, but that's the mainstream media's point of view. The liberal media said... The Supreme Court handed Trump this victory. The conservative media said, the Supreme Court gave Trump a victory. It's the same words coming out of their mouths, just with different tone. But when we actually break it down and we actually have legal experts on our team, and of course, our incredible legal staff, you're actually able to look a little more in detail and see that it may not be quite as big of a win as they said. And I have a list in front of me that says the wins in the cases and the less than wins for the administration. I'm going to read those to you real quick so you have a brief overview of what happened. Again, not saying I agree or disagree with any of these point of views. This is just what's happened. And then Harry and Will can break this down a little bit further. Wins in the cases. Here's what we got. The D.C. T.R.O., which stands for, well, temporary restraining order. There it is. That blocked deportations has been vacated. The Supreme Court said that bringing the case in D.C. was the wrong venue for this, which could limit form shopping on this issue. They also reiterated that we will construct these T.R.O.s, which means... temporary restraining order as appealable injunctions, limiting the ability of lower court judges to put unappealable holds on administrative action. And it reestablishes the president's authority to enforce the alien enemies act, at least for now. So those are the, you'd say the wins for the Trump administration. Now let's go to the less than wins for the Trump administration. All nine justices, all nine, said that this has limited judicial review, contrary to the administration's claim of zero judicial review, which could slow the process of these deportations. Each deportee must be afforded reasonable time in such manner as we will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in proper venues. So again, saying, hey, maybe they need some due process here. We need some time to actually know this is happening. It can't just be rounded up and put on a plate. They said the constitutionality of the law could be addressed, which could come down the way. They did not rule specifically on this. So this gives you a better understanding. I understand it more for just reading it out loud myself of what this case meant, but let's get a little bit more in-depth. Harry Hutchinson's joining us.
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Will, why don't you? That's right, and Professor Hutchinson, Hutchinson as we were looking at this obviously it's much easier for headlines to be written of big win or oh no big win depending on if you're on the left of the aisle or right of the aisle writing that headline but in reality this seems very much in line with the Roberts court of addressing only the question at hand which was on the specific temporary restraining order from the judge in D.C. and while all nine justices agreed in the opinion that there is limited judicial review in this situation it's much less than maybe any other type of law where a handful of different types of claims could be brought they limited this to habeas relief here but What we are looking at is pretty much a narrow ruling on just the question at hand, which was whether or not the temporary restraining order from the judge in D.C. could stand.
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I think that's precisely correct. So I think if we break it down a little bit. The decision by the Supreme Court means that Trump's authority with respect to the execution and enforcement of alien enemies' actions against detainees is somewhat limited. In other words, these decisions are appealable. So that constrains the executive power of the administration. Importantly, as I think Logan points out, Judge Boasberg's authority has also been constrained. And he was a judge, he is a judge, in Washington, D.C., who assumed jurisdiction of detainees who were held in Texas. So that was an extraordinary move by this particular judge, and one wonders, was he motivated by the law or by personal interests implicating members of his own family? That's a question which is yet to be decided. What's really important, I think, for the Trump administration, outside of the parameters of this particular case, is the United States Supreme Court is beginning to constrain the ability of the ACLU and other actors to simply forum shop. To look for a friendly judge in Washington, D.C.
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Let's break down what foreign shopping is, because I think that that's not a phrase that normal people hear a lot. That's why I have to say, what's a TRO, Will? Temporary restraining order. Right, so we should know that. So foreign shopping. Give us a little brief understanding of that.
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So with forum shopping, essentially the ACLU and other organizations, they compile a list of judges and jurisdictions that might be friendly to their particular perspective. And then they file in that jurisdiction, even though there may be an attenuated connection to that particular area. So in this particular case, we have detainees who are located in a prison in Texas. So the argument should be that the ACLU should go to Texas and bring its case, but instead they go to Washington, D.C., and Judge Boasberg has been identified, rightly or wrongly, as a person who might be friendly to the perspective of the ACLU so foreign shopping means you're looking for a friend.
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Another term that that obviously is at the crux of this is habeas corpus and when you look at this the limiting factor on the types of claims that can be brought I believe that they originally filed a habeas petition in Texas, the plaintiffs, and then removed that. They dismissed it so that they could go and try a route of the Administrative Procedures Act and things of that nature in D.C. instead because of that forum issue. But what the court rules here is that this is a core habeas issue. And that is seeking the court, basically demanding rationale, like should I continue to be confined in this way or even deported in this way? And they're saying this is a core habeas issue and that they must be brought in habeas. Therefore, Core habeas petitions jurisdiction lies in only one district, the district of confinement. So that in and of itself limits this type of judicial review that can happen. But I think for people a little bit more context on this habeas corpus issue, which you may remember from civics class, government class, but don't hear used on the street every day and in your water cooler at work, what's kind of the ruling on this issue?
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Well, essentially habeas corpus means to release the body, and the court has established that each detainee has the right to such a petition. And I would argue, consistent with my law school training, that is the correct answer, even if you disagree with this particular court's decision-making. So I think that is the correct answer, but it is not necessarily the answer that the Trump administration was seeking.
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I want to take this call real quick. Let's go to Linda, who's calling. There's been a lot of debate and conversation about this. Linda, we've only got a couple minutes, but get your question in. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, I was just interested in SCOTUS Amy Barrett, Justice Amy Barrett's on this because she ruled with the other liberal justices and I could see them ruling. I just don't understand Amy.
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We have an answer for you, Linda.
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Go ahead. So I was actually very curious about that as well, Linda, when I read the opinion last night. But the dissent is from Justice Sotomayor. And Justice Kagan and Justice Jackson joined in full. Justice Barrett only joined as to parts two and three B. So when you look at those parts, one, part two is pretty much just reiterating the fact that all nine members of this court agree that that under no uncertain terms that an individual subject to detention and removal under the alien enemies act are entitled to judicial review as to questions of interpretation of the constitutionality of this act as well as whether he or she is in fact an alien enemy 14 years of age or older and then the other part 3b was about the fact that they didn't address the larger issue so they kind of all agree that this does receive the habeas review and where she specifically signed on to dissents we're in almost making a highlight of that we all agree that there is habeas review under this and almost a little bit of frustration maybe with the roberts court for only sticking with the tro issue and and not going into some of the broader issues just knowing that it will be coming back before the court that's right tro stands for temporary restraining order
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do that so much i love it uh phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110 we're going to bring in some of our other aclj attorneys to talk about like i said we talked big picture supreme court and now we're talking about your local hoa who said you know what we don't think you have a bible study here uh in your neighborhood What does that look like? How does the ACLJ get involved? I bet you can start figuring it out. But we're going to discuss that a bit further. If you're in the comments right now, tell me how you feel about your HOA. It's okay. You can be a little more anonymous. Give me your thoughts. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. If you are on hold, stay on hold. We're going to get to you. 1-800-684-3110. And we'll move back and continue the discussion that we had early on. So if you have a question related to that topic, we'll get to it. But we always want to make sure we feature the work of the ACLJ and what's going on. Like I always tell you, if you go to aclj.org slash help, you're going to get assigned to an attorney. Work is going to get done. And of course, that's at no cost to you because of people like you who say, I want the ACLJ to be there when I need them. So people go to ACLJ.org slash help. They fill out a small questionnaire, if you will. They get connected with the attorney and we go on from there. And this is one of those instances where you feel like an ACLJ is very vitally important, but also it feels like things that should not be happening still happen. in our country we have cc heil joining us and garrett taylor uh both attorneys here at the aclj to discuss this case because right now this is a pretty interesting moment it's a homeowners association look and i was on the board of a homeowners association i know it can get a little hectic and that i think i served for four years on my homeowners too long i think i went beyond my term limit Because it was like during COVID. So they were like, you get to stay in power. So that happened. I'm looking, there's a lot of love for people's HOA, which I was not expecting because they step in and went to somebody and said, hey, we have a space that you guys can all use. But if it's religious, that's going to be a problem. Garrett, why don't you give me some brief kind of background on this case?
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. We were contacted by a resident from an HOA in Virginia. And at this HOA, as is often the case in many 55-plus communities, there are groups of residents that would like to meet who share common interests. And our client founded the only religious club out of the 30 clubs and groups that meet in this community.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's book clubs, it's card games, it's a lot of different things like that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And that's one of the privileges afforded to these homeowners whenever they buy a house in this HOA. And so our client was able to meet and his group was able to meet for various faith-based events up until February. When the board responded to various complaints that, you know, the women's Bible study also hosted by some group or some residents affiliated with our client, they were studying the brook of Hebrews and they put this in an announcement and... How dare they?
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, exactly. That is what is crazy on these homeowners associations. I think one person gets upset And then they complain to the association. And then the association goes to the extreme. And as we see here, they have banned now all religious use of the clubhouse.
SPEAKER 09 :
And you guys were both telling me, and either one of you can hit this, but telling me that they essentially said this is divisive and because this is divisive and now look they've said politics is divisive and look we can all understand that certainly is uh you could maybe put some limits on what kind of club meetings could happen there but when you're saying just because it is a religious event a religious a bible study let's just put that let's just say it's a bible study christian bible study uh that that is too divisive for this 55 plus community uh You can use this space for anything. But of course, if it has to do with faith and look, I even said this and it makes more sense. I'll be honest that it's in a 55 plus community because I said, who has the time to file these complaints? They got some time on their hands. So they're going in there complaining about this Bible study. And like you said, the HOA just caves.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, absolutely. The board voted unanimously now to stop any kind of religious gatherings in their clubhouse. And what's really strange is in this situation, Typically, we can handle these with a letter. We can say, hey, guess what? You're wrong. The Fair Housing Act absolutely requires that you cannot ban religious activities from common areas when you have other things going on there. And so this is when Garrett comes in.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, Garrett, so what's next here? What happens? Because we have a client who says, hey, I want to have this Bible study still. And this happens to ACLJ all the time. People reach out and they want to get connected with a lawyer. And a lot of the times these kind of moments happen. Like Cece said, it can be handled quickly, typically. But right now it doesn't seem to be. So what's next?
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And that's something that we did here. We sent a letter to the HOA and its attorneys. And when we got a response, they said, we're not changing our policy. And so... as we stated in our letter we would be prepared to pursue all available legal remedies here and that the next step is filing a lawsuit in federal court claiming the discrimination here on behalf of the HOA and we will be arguing that, I mean, allowing other events while banning faith-based and religious events flies right in the face of the Fair Housing Act.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, absolutely. And look, that's where the ACLJ steps in. And you know what happened? This probably went to that HOA and their lawyers, and you know what they didn't do? They didn't Google who we are. Because usually they do and go, uh-oh, some of those lawyers represented some pretty high-profile clients, including the President of the United States. Maybe... Maybe we won't want to get in a legal battle with them. But you know what? They didn't do it this time, likely. And they said, you know what? Let's ignore it. Let's just say whatever. This is probably some fake letter that's coming in from some American Center for Law and Justice. But here we are, the ACLJ team, our attorneys, getting into court for you because, look, that's the beauty of what we do here. Okay, like I said, we can represent the president of the United States and then we can represent you who wants to have a Bible study and your HOA is shutting you down. And we have lawyers on all scales who are ready to take on whatever is necessary if it's within the scope of our work. And of course this is, this is like old school bread and butter core of the ACLJ work, work that should not honestly have to be happening in 2025 in America. We have settled this law many, many times. So guess what's going to happen? We're taking it to court because that's the fun part too. So now you get to have people like Garrett and CeCe in court saying, you know what? The likelihood of our client to be able to afford the legal bills is very unlikely, very low. But because the ACLJ is there, because there are supporters like you, because there's ACLJ champions that give on a monthly basis, we're able to do that for them at no cost. And then you have a real voice.
SPEAKER 11 :
And what we normally see here, and we have, we've had dozens over even the last year of this exact type case. And this is the first time in recent history that has had to go to a lawsuit. So as you mentioned, maybe they didn't Google, maybe they didn't think who is this letter coming from, but they're going to find out very quickly. When this lawsuit is being filed today is my understanding. And they're going to find out when they're in federal court. And I feel like the members of the HOA itself is going to find out very quickly. What it costs to defend a lawsuit in federal court. Because now they've got a big retainer that they're paying. Normally the HOA attorneys are handling things like delinquent fees, things of that nature. Not a federal lawsuit coming from the American Center for Law and Justice on behalf of one of their members.
SPEAKER 09 :
As a former vice president of my HOA, I will tell you, the one thing they don't like is any changes in fees. We got some nasty emails when we needed to put some new asphalt down on the drive there. And I know our president is probably watching right now. She's an active viewer. She knows. She knows. She's probably going to hit me up later. Actually, former president. I think she now is just Rhodes. She needs help. Only handles the roads. I think so. She was president way beyond term. I mean, violating the Constitution. There's a situation going on in your HOA, Logan. We need to address. Mine is, it's like Ukraine. I was about to say, it feels like Zelensky. Yeah, you know what? That's okay. Sometimes you need it. Phone lines are open for you. We got a second half hour coming up. Thanks, CeCe. And thank you, Garrett, for joining us. We have some phone lines open. 1-800-684-3110. We're going to reset, talk a little bit more also about the talks that are going on in Iran and continue that discussion that we had early on about the Trump win or not so win. Stay tuned. Second half hour coming up.
SPEAKER 10 :
Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekula.
SPEAKER 09 :
Welcome back to Sekula. Phone lines are open for you right now. Of course, we're going to reset here, talk a little bit. about the news you may be looking at the title on youtube or rumble and be like what is the news because a lot of people said hey the supreme court gave president trump a win and while that is somewhat true we have also learned that that's not 100 accurate the liberal news is going to tell you it's a win to scare you the conservative news is going to tell you it's a win because they want you to be celebratory and you know what we do we come in and we actually tell you the truth shocking an organization that comes in and a broadcast that comes in and tells you the truth, whether you like to hear it or not. So, Will, let's break this down real quick again. We'll take some calls about it and also give you a little bit of information about what's going on in Iran. So, the Supreme Court comes in and says, hey, everyone's reporting. is that the deportation, this is a win for those who are in favor of this sort of mass deportation.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right. And in reality, yes, that is true, is that the Trump administration may re-begin that program of these deportations because that TRO, Temporary Restraining Order, that was blocking the use of this program under the Alien Enemies Act has been vacated. so it's no longer put on hold by the court uh they the supreme court also said that bringing the case in dc was the wrong venue it needed to be a habeas it was a core habeas issue needed to be brought in the jurisdiction of the confinement which would have been in texas so that could limit the forum shopping and it reiterated that tro's they construe them as appealable injunctions which is uh was something that even some legal analysts were saying with some of the very early Doge blocks and things of that nature, that the court had the opportunity to say this and didn't. Well, now they are saying this, that they view temporary restraining orders as something the administration can appeal. which takes away that opportunity for a judge to block something for their set time without any chance of the administration appealing. But one caveat to that they can re-begin these deportations is that all nine justices There is limited judicial review here. The administration had been saying there is no judicial review under the Alien Enemies Act. The Supreme Court disagrees. All nine justices agree that a habeas relief is available. to those that are being deported in this matter. They also clarified that doesn't mean that if they're in prison already, which most of these were, these are the ones that they found in confinement for other violations of the law, whether it be some sort of crime, This isn't a habeas petition to get them out of confinement. It is only a habeas petition on whether or not they can be deported under the Alien Enemies Act, i.e. whether or not they are a member of Trende Aragua or not.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, so we want to make sure we are continually informing you on what actually is happening. Let's go ahead and take a call real quick. Let's go to Daniel in Maryland. Daniel, you've been on hold for a half hour. I want to give you a moment to speak. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, thank you for taking my call. I originally came from Brazil back in 1990. I worked for a landscape company, got my green card. And then 10 years after that, I got my citizenship. So I'm a medical citizen right now. And I thank this country for everything that did for me. I have a family. And I think what President Trump is doing, it's fair and it's right. These people have to get out, especially if they're criminals. We are paying for these people to have a sandwich in prison. We are paying for them to have a dinner, shower and everything. And I don't think it's fair. They have to go. And it's nothing but fair to people like American people like myself that I spend $20,000 in legal fees, immigration fees.
SPEAKER 09 :
Daniel, I wanted you to be able to have a moment to share your story because I think it's important to hear from people like you. We can come in here and pontificate and give you all our thoughts, but you have lived it. And you see the good and the bad of what's happening actually in this process. And of course, we want to be fair for people like you, Daniel, who did it legally. phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. We're also going to encourage you to support the work of the ACLJ right now. It's our Life and Liberty Drive. You heard about the incredible work we're doing, whether that is for the President of the United States or whether that is to help you fight against your HOA. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. I do want to give you an opportunity to call in right now. Because in the next segment, we like to hear from the most important voice in the room. And that's, of course, you at 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. We like to hear your calls live. You're already on hold. Stay on hold. We're going to get to you. But again, give me a call. I really like to get those kind of stacked up. So when we go to the next segment, you have an opportunity to speak. One of the topics we wanted to talk about, though, today, because we've hit a lot. We hit the Supreme Court. We went to the ACLJ team, talked about that HOA. And now we're going to move on a little bit here because, Will, there has been some conversations that were maybe unlikely that seem to be happening between the U.S. and Iran.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right. And President Trump, in a surprise announcement yesterday, this is while he was meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu in the White House, announced that this is going on and that this is will be continuing to go on, that this Saturday is supposed to be a large meeting in Oman. And we're going to go and play with the president said and also what Prime Minister Netanyahu said about this just yesterday in the Oval Office by one.
SPEAKER 01 :
Having direct talks with Iran and Iran. They've started. It'll go on Saturday. We have a very big meeting and we'll see what can happen. And I think everybody agrees that doing a deal would be preferable. We're both united in the goal that Iran does not ever get nuclear weapons.
SPEAKER 09 :
If it can be done diplomatically in a full way, the way it was done in Libya, I think that would be a good thing. Yeah, so there's statements again from President Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu. And that happened, what, yesterday? That's right. This is all very much ongoing.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right. And once again, this isn't something that necessarily was on the radar at this point in time. President Trump had floated that there would be some direct talks potentially with Iran or that he was at least open to that. Now, Iran is pushing back a little bit. They're saying the foreign minister said the discussions in Oman would be indirect, which which normally means there's a mediator and they have two conference rooms. Someone goes in between. I think there may be some nuance here, some semantics that they're getting through, but it is a sign that President Trump is using diplomacy. This comes as a time, though, where we are seeing buildup of military forces in the region. There have been reports of B-2 bombers, the Flying Wing, the Stealth Bomber, relocated to the Indian Ocean, places that are within striking distance of Iran, as well as the buildup of the military because of the attacks on the Houthis, which are a proxy for Iran as well, that it's almost as if the administration is playing the diplomatic card, but also showing strength in the region.
SPEAKER 09 :
And as you mentioned, President Trump said he's using his envoy, Steve Witkoff, who has been part of the U.S. delegation. He'll lead the U.S. delegation with these talks on Saturday, it seems. That's what sources are saying this Saturday in Oman. So those potentially are happening again, putting to work. Some of these special envoys that he has been talking about. I think that's interesting. Just like we have Rick Grinnell, who's also an envoy. These are different kind of positions that can come in diplomatically. We saw Rick Grinnell. He went over to Venezuela and was able to have those conversations. You're able to send people. And again, remember, we live in a different time now where we have an administration that's willing to sit down and talk to people, even people they disagree with and say, hey, this is diplomacy. This isn't friendship. You can sit down with Vladimir Putin and his team. Why? Again, diplomacy, not friendship. Looking to end wars, not to befriend them. That used to be the way things ran, but for some reason, four years ago, they decided that the idea of even sitting down and talking was too much. That President Trump's sitting down and talking with North Korea. Did you feel scared of North Korea for the four years of the first Trump presidency? I didn't really. Why? Because they had this contentious but actual relationship. Whether it was positive or negative, there was people sitting down and having discussions. And now you see a Witkoff coming in to potentially lead these negotiations. Again, that's what sources are saying. And I'd love to hear from you. What do you think about this? Do you like that we are doing this? 1-800-684-3110. Should we be sitting down with leaders in countries like Iran or Russia, China, ones that are historically not the most friendly with us to hopefully,
SPEAKER 11 :
tamper down destruction over the long term right and as we know president trump says he doesn't want more war that is what he ran on uh he is trying to end wars in in ukraine and russia and trying to do that through negotiations uh he also wants the end of the war in gaza but he is also not afraid to show strength through positioning military assets maybe showing that this is a potential if you don't go down this line and the interesting fact about this also is that uh you know the the difference in an obama administration uh negotiating a so-called nuclear deal what that ended up being was relief of sanctions uh uh very nominal inspections by the un which most of the time the heads up they had to give them There was nothing there to see when they got their cameras being turned off so the U.N. couldn't monitor them. That was no real deal. When President Trump goes in and what Steve Witkoff has already shown in many of the releases of prisoners held in places like Russia, that he is able to negotiate and get deals for the American people. The difference with negotiating with Iran here and why this isn't a rerun of the Obama administration negotiating with them is because there will be some sort of actual get for the American people. There was nothing that we got out of the Obama nuclear deal because we gave them sanctions relief. freed up the coffers of cash that they had and got no real assurances that iran wouldn't continue their nuclear program as a matter of fact we know that they continued it they continued their ballistic missile program so the delivery mechanism of a nuclear weapon they were still able to keep on developing the entire time that was never addressed by the jcpoa but But what will happen here if there is a deal to be had, if the Ayatollahs in Iran will come to the table and talk seriously, there is a deal to be had. And what does the American people get out of it? A non-nuclear Iran. That would be the get.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's what I don't understand here, why there would be complaints with this. The idea is to calm the world stage, something that's very needed right now. Let's just be honest. It's all very needed. Phone lines are open for you. As I said, I feel like I'm, you know, shilling for calls right now. This is like an old WWE Bite This special with Kevin Kelly. 1-800-684-3110. We have a couple lines open for you right now, and I do want to hear from you because this is an important time. Look, it's an important time for the ACLJ as well. we are continuing fighting all over the world i know we've talked about the little league you know you think of it as little but it's not because it has big consequences like that hoa but then we're taking on some of these major fights including by the way supporting christians that are truly persecuted and i'm talking about those that are losing their lives of course in places like the congo you've heard us talk about this quite a bit but we've also it's from the small scale to the very large to the I can't have a Bible study in my 55 plus community to the biggest of big, which of course is people losing their lives just because of their religious beliefs. That is why the ACLJ team is not just focused on America. Of course, our American center is the main part of the organization, but we have the European center, which also can speak at the UN. We have the right to do so. So we get to be there and say what we need to be said when a lot of people won't say it. We have our ACLJ Jerusalem. And again, that's intentionally not the Israeli Center for Law and Justice. It is the ACLJ Jerusalem, American Center for Law and Justice in Jerusalem. Because we are trying to reach out and connect with those and people to understand. That though they may turn on the news and see this anti-Israel sentiment that there's so many of you watching that feel the exact opposite and that most of Americans still support what's going on in Israel. People say they're our biggest ally. Well, they're certainly our biggest ally in the Middle East because they're really the only Middle Eastern country that has similar values and values women, values children and people in a similar way. Phone lines are open for you. We're going to take some of those coming up at 1-800-684-3110. But I'm encouraging you right now to support the work. We are now already eight days into this Life and Liberty Drive, which is pretty wild. Scan the QR code that's on your screen if you're watching right now. If you're not watching, by the way, you should watch. It's a full television production here, and we do it for free at aclj.org. You can find it on YouTube. You can find it on Rumble. You can find us on the Salem News Channel, which is one of our newest offerings where they're live 12 to 1 p.m., along with a stacked group of other hosts. That's available on Pluto. That is available on Samsung Plus, a lot of other places. Of course, you can go to their website to find out. But the work of the ACLJ continues. And these conversations will continue because I want to hear from you. So if you want to call in, we can talk about the Supreme Court. We can talk about that HOA. You can tell me your thoughts on that. Maybe you've had a similar run-in with some of these organizations. We can talk about what's going on in Iran. We can talk about what's going on in Israel, as Benjamin Netanyahu was sitting with President Trump yesterday. Of course, we can talk about dire wolves, which have been brought back from extinction after 10,000 years. There's a lot of debate going on in our office on whether that's a good thing or not. I am in the pro dire wolf community. Seven foot white wolf looks pretty cool. And hey, if it feels like the world is ending already, we might as well bring back some prehistoric creatures.
SPEAKER 11 :
I disagree, Logan, but we'll get to it in the next segment.
SPEAKER 09 :
What do you think? 1-800-684-3110. We're going to give a challenge to our phone screener here. If you want to talk dire wolves, why not bring it on? We'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekula. We are going to take your phone calls, and there's still a few lines open at 1-800-684-3110. There's a lot of conversation now breaking out about the dire wolf, which then led into people discussing the difference between a mastodon and a woolly mammoth, because there's conversations of woolly mammoths coming back with those woolly mice.
SPEAKER 11 :
I was a little misguided in my own thoughts about the Mastodon versus Mammoth debate. Same. I thought Mastodon, the bigger of the two. Incorrect. Wooly Mammoth is the larger one. Oh. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
So in the Power Rangers, why did they not go Wooly Mammoth? Yeah, Mastodon's a better sounding name. Yeah, it sounds stronger. Right. Like Tyrannosaurus, Mastodon, Wooly Mammoth.
SPEAKER 11 :
Also, because you don't, yeah, it's two words, Wooly Mammoth. Yeah, you got to wear that coat in the middle of the summertime. Pterodactyl.
SPEAKER 09 :
Let's go ahead and take a phone call. Let's go to Tracy who is calling in Oregon. Tracy, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hi. Thanks for taking my call. You were talking about not talking to our adversaries. Yeah. And I am so happy that Donald Trump is because that old saying, you keep your friends close and your enemies closer so that we know what they're doing. And thank you. I'm so happy to have found the Salem News Channel. You guys give me hope. And thank you for all the information. That's great. And thanks for taking my call. And save Oregon. Send back Chael Sonnen. I saw him on your show. Please save us.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right, Tracy, thank you so much. I think that that, one, thank you for watching on the Salem News Channel. That's one of our new outlets. And it's nice to know that people are watching and are enjoying it there. That is a live you know just like if you're watching any sort of news channel that's available we're on there live from 12 to 1 p.m so you get to watch our show live if you have pluto or if you have uh really it's an easy way to access this show and a whole lineup of shows uh on your smart tv or smart devices but uh will what was the last thing she said she said something about oregon i don't even she wants to save oregon she's yes dire wolves dire wolves yes yes yes except some moron might kill him all right Tracy, thank you. I didn't even know you were still on the air. But I appreciate that. All right, we're going to continue to take some more calls.
SPEAKER 11 :
I will say to her point about the keep your friends close and enemies closer issue with Iran is that exactly. The problem is that typically when the previous administration would negotiate with a foreign entity, it just involved us giving away things. That wasn't keeping them close to keep a check on them. It was capitulating to foreign adversaries. The difference is that when we talk now, the United States talks to foreign adversaries, it's with authority and saying,
SPEAKER 09 :
uh you better watch out yeah hey we're gonna take some more calls i see a one guy by the way i'm gonna call out one guy who goes after me in the comments and say i always say it's the most important voice in the room and then i don't take the callers here's the deal buddy i've been promoting for you to call in all day and guess what we got four open lots so you could have called in i'd like to do this i want to call out individuals I could call out his full name right now. I've heard people like that. They do. I like when they're specifically targeted and put in the spotlight. Yeah, well, he shouldn't be trolling on here, okay? I know you're a daily watcher, but I don't hear you calling. I'm going to take a call about a wolf. It's going to make you happy. Let's go to Don, who's calling in Indiana, Salem News Channel. He wanted to talk, because Pat over here wanted to talk about Iran. Right. And I'm saying... That's Mark, by the way.
SPEAKER 11 :
You said Pat wanted to talk about Iran. No, I know. Pat's the guy. Oh, got it. So sorry.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. But I'm going to take Mark's call next after Don because Don's got the important question. Don, go ahead. Watch it also on the Salem News Channel.
SPEAKER 02 :
I just think it's a little dangerous when they start pulling DNA from something that's been deceased for a long time out of a skull. It scares me, especially being a born-again believing Christian that What says you can dig up one-year-old family members and take the DNA? As I understand it, the thing they brought back was the DNA was taken from their bones or their skull.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don't know all the details, Don. But look, it's a slippery slope. Will has said that. We brought it up. Do I think it's cool? Yes, I do. Do I think that there are some moral implications it could go south? Also, yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. I mean, it kind of goes back to the Dolly the sheep cloning issue of the 90s.
SPEAKER 09 :
They're also not fully dire wolves, if you really read about it.
SPEAKER 11 :
It's like dire wolf in name only. But once again, I'd say we've all seen Jurassic Park. What'd you say? Dinos. Dire in name only. Oh, no. These are not dinos. These are wolves.
SPEAKER 09 :
But it was a joke.
SPEAKER 11 :
priest right it was all right we've seen jurassic park we know how it ends up in the movies but yes i think don is right there is where does the slippery slope in you have dire wolves now you have woolly mammoths and or mastodons depending on uh which is your preferred large elephantine creature let's just really talk about this actually because many years ago you know i feel like the iphone
SPEAKER 09 :
really changed the world. And then it was like, where are we going to go from here? And most of us could not fathom what the next iteration of that would be because you're like, well, I carry this around. And then people are like, well, it could be your brain chip. It could be something like that. But what it really was, was the idea of AI incorporating the way it is now, a user-friendly AI, something that does change the world as we know it. And it did. And it has over the last two years. I mean, it has changed the way we operate. So you have to always look at what the future could hold and understand that we don't always see what that next step may be. Because if you were able to tell me two years ago, I could come up with an idea for a song and it'd be fully produced and ready for me in 30 seconds. I would have said, okay, but it's going to sound, it's not really going to do it. And they are, go look at Spotify. They are having to shut that down because there are so many people flooding them with new content that's being created every second of the day. Let's go to Mark, who is calling now from New York. Watch it on the radio, or listen on the radio. Mark, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, guys. Great, great topics today. I want to thank you for fighting the good fight. The one thing I'm really concerned about is this Iran incident situation. You know, since I can remember, they've always called us the great Satan, and they want to wipe us and Israel off the planet. I have a lot of faith in my president and what he's doing. One of your callers had said, you know, keep your enemies close to your pocket. And I agree with that. But what are your thoughts about the deception of Iran?
SPEAKER 09 :
Those are real concerns. And here's what I've said. And I said before, and Rick Rinella shared as well as again, this isn't about making friends. This is about having some sort of ongoing conversation to protect the American people. This is diplomacy. And we need that. And we need to be able to sit down with people we disagree with. And I mean that on the very small scale of whether you are a liberal or conservative, but I mean that on the big scale when it comes to who is going to have weapons that could wipe out chunks of the world. And sure, do I think Iran is out there saying that America is great and everything is perfect? No, we don't go in there with blinders on.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's not how this works. Well, and to the point that Bibi Netanyahu said yesterday during that meeting was that the goal is for Iran to never get nuclear weapons. If it can be done diplomatically in the full way it was done in Libya, I think that would be a good thing. No one trusted Muammar Gaddafi after they eliminated their weapons of mass destruction program. Their chemical weapons, and they were trying to get nuclear weapons, but they signed a non-proliferation treaty. But what happened was there was actual checks put in place in real monitoring to ensure that they were destroying their stockpiles. That's what they're talking about here. It's not that they ever were all of a sudden like, Muammar Gaddafi is a good guy and our good friend. No, it was still, he's a dictator and this is a failed state in many ways. But they still were able to ensure that he did not get a nuclear weapon and that he dismantled the chemical weapons program that they had. So I think that's what they're looking at.
SPEAKER 09 :
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In this lively episode, Joey Hudson steps in for Mike Gallagher to delve into a series of significant topics making headlines today. We start by examining the recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions that have paved the way for President Trump to implement strict deportation measures under the Wartimes Act. As the conversation unfolds, we explore the financial markets' unpredictable behavior following these political shifts. President Trump's reassuring messages encourage calm amid the chaos, shedding light on his strategic vision for America's future. Joey also highlights the implications of Trump's new tariffs as we witness global leaders rushing to the negotiation table, eager to revisit trade agreements with the United States. This episode offers profound insights into the current geopolitical and economic landscape, emphasizing a growing commitment to fair trade and robust international partnerships.
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He's the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, from your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel, and broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide. Sitting in for Mike today, here's Joey Hudson.
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Welcome in to today's show. Where do you want to start? This is one of those days where it's just kind of hard to... Narrow it down. There's so much breaking news today. Shall we start with the couple of wins from the U.S. Supreme Court? President Trump winning in a big way. The Supreme Court is paving the way for him to use the Wartimes Act to immediately deport illegals. This in response to the radical, activist, rogue federal judge James Boasberg. Now, Boesberg had a hearing set for today as to whether or not to fine the Trump administration in contempt of court. Not sure if that's going to proceed after the Supreme Court smacked him down yesterday, basically. So we have that to talk about. A Texas man threatened to, quote, open fire on ICE agents if they come into his neighborhood. That didn't turn out too well for him either. He's in a federal prison right now. And, of course, the financial markets. Kind of a rollercoaster ride yesterday. When we finished up the trading day yesterday at 4, it was a mixed bag. It wasn't as bad. I don't think it was the Black Monday that had been predicted by the naysayers. The markets still lost some. But I think people are starting to calm down a bit, or at least I hope so. And that's the message from President Trump today. He posted several things on Truth Social yesterday. And basically his overall message to you and me is don't panic. Take a deep breath. Calm down. Everything's going to be okay. In a Monday afternoon post on Truth Social, the president stressed that the, quote, the United States has a chance to do something that should have been done decades ago. And he's right. He said, don't be weak, don't be stupid, don't be a pannikin. This is his new word, I guess. It's a new party based on weak and stupid people. He said, be strong, be courageous, be patient, and greatness will result. This is sort of like Donald Trump at his best. He's an encourager. He's a cheerleader. He wants people to succeed. That's why he's such a great leader. Shortly after that post, the president wrote in another which he affirmed that several countries, and the list is growing, want to come to the negotiation table. They want to invite to the Oval Office, just like Prime Minister from Israel Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday. The President said, countries from all over the world are talking to us. Tough but fair parameters are being set. Trump made it clear in cut number three that, yes, there's probably going to be some permanent tariffs, but there's also room for negotiation.
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There have been some mixed messages from your administration. You're talking about negotiations and yet others in your administration are saying that these tariffs are actually permanent. What is the action?
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Well, they can both be true. There can be permanent tariffs and there can also be negotiations because there are things that we need beyond tariffs. We need open borders. You know, we almost had a deal with China. where we're going to open up China. It was almost done. Some of you remember it during my first term. And it was very disappointing. We ended up making a great deal. $50 billion worth of product was sold. $50 billion. You'd like that in Israel. And I made that deal. But it wasn't the deal that I wanted. The deal that I wanted was that, plus they're going to open up China so that our companies could go into China and compete with other countries and China for a large number of people. And at the very end, that deal was terminated and we went to a piece of the deal. And so there are a lot of things outside of tariffs, but tariffs are very important. But there are a lot of things like opening up countries that were totally closed. China is essentially a closed country. In fact, it is a closed country. And what they do is they charge tariffs so that if you if you sell cars or if you sell anything outside, nobody's going to buy it because the price is out of control. But that's true with a lot of other countries also. So we're going to get fair deals and good deals with every country. And if we don't, we're going to have nothing to do with them. They're not going to be allowed to participate in the United States.
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President Trump in the Oval Office yesterday. If you're watching us on the Salem News Channel, you saw Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sitting beside the president in a very crowded Oval Office yesterday as they were meeting, talking about how we go forward with Israel as well. Let me invite you to join us on the Salem News Channel wherever you watch streaming TV. We're on Pluto TV, Samsung TV, and a lot of others. So join us on the Salem News Channel and, of course, the hundreds of radio stations around the country as well. The president made it very clear that, yes, he wants to talk. He talked about the fact that the Japanese prime minister, he spoke with him, and according to the president, he's sending a top team to negotiate. He said they've treated the U.S. very poorly on trade. They don't take our cars, but we take millions of theirs. Likewise, agriculture, many other things. And, of course, he talked about how China loves... to send us products, but they've gotten kind of upset. They've gotten defensive when the president has suggested that we increase the tariffs on their products. Not only suggested, but is going to do it, which is going to affect a lot of products, a lot of things that you and I use. But that's just part of the process and part of maybe the sacrifice that we have to go through in order to see this through. But I do think we have to listen to President Trump. and those in his administration who make it clear we have to stay the course. We have to be calm. And as I mentioned yesterday and encouraged you yesterday, put the 401K statement, the IRA statement, put those to the side. Don't look at those over the next few weeks. Unless you're like Warren Buffett and you're sitting on a bunch of cash. Buffett is the only billionaire... on the list of Bloomberg's 500 richest people who has made money this first quarter because last year he made the decision to sit on $300 billion of cash rather than investing it in the market. And that has paid off in a big way. Now, watch Warren Buffett. He'll start buying. He'll start buying some of the stocks that have dropped over these past few days, and he'll make another boatload of money by doing so. It's all in the timing, isn't it? I don't have $300 billion of gas to sit on, so that's not a problem for me. 800-655-MIKE, 1-800-655-6453. Hope you'll join the conversation on this Tuesday edition of the Mike Gallagher Show. There's lots of ways to do so. You can text me on the MyPillow text line. Always use promo code MikeG when you go to MyPillow.com and get the very best price on everything Mike Lindell has to offer. Of course, your phone calls are welcome. Teresa will queue you up. We'll talk as time permits. You can email me directly, joey at joeyhudson.com. Let me invite you to join me on my weekday podcast, Just the Truth. Just search for Joey Hudson, Just the Truth, wherever you listen to podcasts. Glad to have you in. Appreciate you spending a few minutes of your day. We've got a lot to cover on this Tuesday edition of the Mike Gallagher Show.
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Joey Hudson in for Mike today as he's off this week. I'll be sitting in with you all week. Hey, let me encourage you to get your daily dose of Dennis Prager at pragertopia.com. Become a Prager Topia member and listen to full episodes of the Dennis Prager Show anytime you want. Just go to pragertopia.com. Be sure and join now. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was in the Oval Office yesterday. discussing the latest trade negotiation with the president. And he was the first, of course. After the tariffs were announced last week, the prime minister from Israel was the first foreign head of state to sit down with President Trump to talk about the tariffs. And he made it very clear. He said that he told the president that he will eliminate, that Israel will eliminate any trade deficit With the U.S., this is cut number four.
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We will eliminate the trade deficit with the United States. We intend to do it very quickly. We think it's the right thing to do. And we're going to also eliminate trade barriers, a variety of trade barriers that have been put up unnecessarily. And I think Israel can serve as a model for many countries who ought to do the same. I recognize the position of the United States. It says, you know, we're allowing other countries to put tariffs on us, but we don't put tariffs on them. And, you know, I'm a free trade champion and free trade has to be fair trade. And I think that's basically the position that you've put forward, Mr. President. We are going to eliminate the tariffs and rapidly.
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And I applaud the prime minister for doing that. And I hope and I believe a lot of others will follow suit. But it gets me back to a question that I can't quite find the answer to. And that is, why now? Why did it take so long? And look, I'm a big supporter of Israel. I love Israel. I pray for Israel. But has it occurred to you that maybe they should have done this a long time ago? I mean, we're their biggest supporter in the world. Why have they ever charged us tariffs? And the same with all these other countries who are suddenly wanting to negotiate. They've been ripping us off for all these years. China, India, Vietnam, the European Union. Suddenly they want to talk. I'm glad they do want to talk. But isn't it interesting that suddenly they've decided, well, we'll go zero for zero, or we're not going to charge those tariffs anymore. If they're wrong now, they were wrong then. Just a thought. Love to get your thoughts on that. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. You can text me on the MyPillow text line. Your call's... We'll put you in queue. Teresa, put you in queue. We'll talk as time permits. Email me, joeyhudson.com. Portions of today's show made possible by the Israeli Ministry of Tourism on behalf of the government of Israel. There's simply no other experience in the world. like it than when you travel to Israel. And I'm sorry that we're not going to be able to make that trip this fall as planned. The Holy Land is a life-changing event that I'll never forget, and I've been blessed to be able to go multiple times. My favorite thing to do when we take these trips is to go out on the Sea of Galilee in those replica wooden boats, just like you would envision Jesus and the disciples doing so many years ago. and just seeing the beauty of the Holy Land. Travel, of course, right now is probably just not a good idea to Israel, and that's why we had to make the tough decision not to go this fall as planned. But it'll be back soon, and as soon as it's safe to travel, I promise you we'll be putting together a trip because this is just a trip of a lifetime. I look forward to traveling back to Israel and taking some of you with us. Go to GoIsrael.com, GoIsrael.com for additional information. And let's go ahead and start planning that trip for when it's safe for us to return. So President Trump getting some good news. Yesterday was a good day for Donald Trump. He got good news from the Supreme Court. He got good news from some of the latest polls. Now, you would think that with some of the chaos that the left has created since the announcements of the tariffs last week and with the stock market plummeting on Friday and it being on a rollercoaster ride yesterday, you would think that the president's polling numbers would have followed suit, would have followed the stock market down. The Daily Mail reports otherwise. And an exclusive DailyMail.com JL Partners survey of over 1,000 registered voters that was conducted right in the middle of this, up through April the 3rd, found that Donald Trump remains largely popular among American voters. The poll found that his approval rating rose to 53%. You heard that correct. It rose. to 53%, a four-point increase over last week. Went from 49% to 53% in the middle of what some people are calling chaos. And primarily because people agree with the president. People agree that it's time for fair trade. that if China charges us tariffs, we need to do likewise. We need to charge them tariffs. He saw a six-point increase in favorability among Democrats and independents. I mean, just about every aspect of the demographics of our country increased in support of Donald Trump. Black voters skyrocketed 17 points. I'm Joey Hudson, in for Mike today.
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I'm good. Congratulations on filling a big pair of shoes this morning. It's good to have the program go on.
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Oh, yes. We're giving Mr. Gallagher some time off to celebrate his birthday. I'm happy to be with you, Sam.
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To answer your question as to why now, you immediately transitioned to a trip overseas to Israel, and it appears you have a Christian worldview, as do I and many of your listeners. Yes. And the answer to your question as to why now, is because God's ways are not our ways, and his time is not our time. I agree. So it's God's answer. I don't know that we need to know the specific answer, but it's in his hands, and it will work out for good. That's my answer to you.
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Yeah, and Sam, look, you know, I don't want anyone to misunderstand. I love Israel. I support Israel. I've been there. I've been blessed to have traveled to Israel five times and was looking forward to number six this fall, but that's just not going to work. But I did, you know, I paused. And not just Israel. I don't want to pick on Israel. Other countries who are now rushing to the table to say, okay, we're going to negotiate. We're going to do away with our tariffs. If tariffs are not good now, why did they charge us? In a lot of these countries, we were sending money to them as well.
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Well, I don't have an answer to that. I'm not an economist, but I do invest in the stock market. And this will all blow over, and we'll be in good hands in a few more weeks.
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That's for sure, Sam, and I wish everyone had your attitude for sure. Hey, have a blessed day. Appreciate your phone call. 800-655-MIKE. 1-800-655-6453 is how you join the conversation on this Tuesday. William is in Louisville, Kentucky. Welcome, William. You're on the Mike Gallagher Show.
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Hey, how are you doing today? Wonderful.
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Hope you are.
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Yeah, real quick on Israel. I am a Christian. I support Israel. They are our only true ally in the Mideast, I think. But I was astounded to find out that they've been taking advantage of us along with a bunch of other countries. And the amount of money and military hardware we supply that country with, I'm at a loss for words.
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Yeah. I mean, I guess that's a good way to describe my thoughts, too. I was surprised. I never had really thought about tariffs like I have these past few days. And you start looking at the list at a lot of these countries. I mean, Vietnam. They charge us 90% tariffs. You know, it makes me think, why would we even want their products if they're going to charge us a 90% tariff? Taiwan, 64%. Indonesia, 64%. Cambodia, 97%. Some of the African countries, South Africa, 60%. Some of these countries we send a lot of money to in aid. Of course, I think Doge is about to take care of some of that. And it just occurred to me, well, you know, why are we buying their products? And it really brings home President Trump's whole thing is, let's start making these products in America. Let's let Americans work in American manufacturers and make those products here.
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Yeah, and real quick, take example, for example, Canada. I mean, we buy lumber from Canada. We have trees in the United States. We buy energy from Canada. We can make our own energy. So I just don't get it why we've allowed ourselves to be taken advantage of for so, so many years. I mean, ever since the end of World War II, basically.
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Yeah. Yeah, for 50 years, it appears, in some cases. Yeah, it's like our leaders, both Republicans and Democrats, were asleep at the wheel.
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They are asleep. Yes, sir. Well, listen, that's what I wanted to say, and I appreciate the time.
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All right. Appreciate your phone call, William. Thanks for listening. 800-655-6453. One line open. David is in Delaware. Welcome, David.
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Well, thank you very much. First time I've ever been able to get through.
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Well, I'm glad to have your call.
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Well, thank you. Two things I wanted to say. One, I think Americans have historically been very spoiled. We've had things good. You know, I think there's a time that One thing that Trump was a great communicator. I think this is time for like a Kennedy type speech to the American public. I mean, I've lost a lot in the stock and stocks recently, but, you know, Kennedy made that speech about, you know, us making the sacrifice for the country instead of us just expecting the country to take care of us all the time. And I think this is a time where we people know is going to blow over. Financial people will tell you, hang tough. You'll get through it. But I don't think he's communicating that to the American public. And I think that's something that he needs to do, Kennedy-type speech. And the other thing is, like the recent caller just said, you know, about us. Oh, my God, my mind just went blank. Oh, why we have never done this before. Because we've never had a businessman running the country. We've had politicians who just want to dish out the money that's not theirs because they just want to buy off the votes and keep the people happy. They're not showing true leadership. And leadership means standing up and taking the shots in the back, taking the shots in the front, and realizing, hey, I've got to do this. And if you read any of Trump's books, he's like that, too. Oh, yeah. I'm not happy with everything he does, but I'm just saying this is a time where we need someone to stand up and say enough is enough. Yeah. I don't think that we as a country are used to it, and politicians don't like it because they're not making people happy by spending other money.
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Politicians, and I appreciate your phone call, David, all good points. Politicians have a different mindset than a successful business person like Donald Trump. Politicians are always trying to please everybody. They know they can't, but still they try. Donald Trump is approaching this from the standpoint, just like he's done business. He doesn't necessarily have to be your friend, doesn't necessarily want to be your friend to do business with you. But in the business world, we do business with people we don't necessarily like. We maybe don't like the way they do business. But we do it because we all want to make a profit. Same thing with this. Donald Trump has made it clear to these countries, hey, look, if you want to sell your products to the largest market in the world, then fine. But if you charge us tariffs, we're going to charge you tariffs. Now, maybe you get upset with me. Maybe you don't like me. That's okay. You don't have to like me. But I'm going to charge you a tariff as long as you're charging us a tariff. And in the past, politicians, I mean, Joe Biden, he wanted these foreign leaders to like him. He wanted them to respect him, a different type of respect. I think that the foreign leaders probably respect Donald Trump very much so, but in a totally different way. And look, yes, we want to be friendly with nations. We want to have those develop those relationships. But at the end of the day, what kind of relationship is it if we're being nice to, let's say, for example, Miramar, who charges us 88% tariffs. We're being nice to Miramar. They like us. And they're ripping us off. I don't know how much product comes from Miramar. I don't know. Sri Lanka, 88%. Syria, 81%. You know, one thing, I think we're going to do a little research. For example, Syria. And just see, beside that, 81% have the number of how much imports come into the U.S. I have no idea what comes from Syria. But we've got to get past the idea that... They have to like us. They can respect us, and we can do business with them, but I don't care if they like us or not, do you? 800-655-MIKE, 1-800-655-6453. I'm Joey Hudson, in for Mike today. Glad to have you aboard.
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Mike Gallagher. Joey Hudson in for Mike today as he continues his birthday week. His birthday yesterday. You sent a lot of birthday wishes, and I copied and pasted and sent him a lot of those. He takes the week off, so I'll be sitting in with you all week. Glad to have you. 800-655-MIKE, 1-800-655-6453 is how you... Join today's conversation. I hope you will. You can email me directly as well, joey at joeyhudson.com. Fortunes of the Day show made possible by Hotel Hartness here in my home area of the upstate of South Carolina. Travel and leisure world rates the Hotel Hartness the number one resort in South Carolina, the third best in the U.S., and number 24 in the world. And, again, it's right here. in my beloved hometown of Greer in the upstate of South Carolina. You can go there, too. Go to hotelheartness.com. That's hotelheartness.com. You know, there's been so much talk about the tariffs and what it has done to the financial markets. Friday was just a beating. Fortunately, yesterday... was not as bad as the doom and gloom sayers. I don't think we had the Black Monday that was projected. It was down. We never want it to go down, but it does. That's the nature of the markets. Good news, though. Today, U.S. stocks jumped as the market opened just a little while ago. The Dow Jones Industrial Average jumped 1,238 points, gaining 3.2%. after losing more than 3,500 points since last Wednesday when the tariffs were announced during Trump's Liberation Day. The S&P has risen today 3.3%, NASDAQ 100 futures up 3.6%. And this is as a result of the markets and the powers that be within the financial markets seeing that the tariffs are working. People are coming to the table. The Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, no surprise there, but Israel, yesterday, in the Oval Office, he was the first to talk with the President, saying, you know, Israel's going to do the right thing. We're going to eliminate a terrorist. These other countries want to come to the table. They're lighting up, literally, outside of the White House. Vietnam, for example. wanting to do a zero for zero. I don't know that some of these deals we're going to accept. President Trump has hinted that he may leave the 10% tariffs in place regardless. And that may be their medicine for ripping us off for all these years. Now, some people like to sit back. The Democrats love to sit back and talk about the rich and how this is just going to help the rich. Donald Trump and his billionaire buddies Well, guess who it hit pretty hard? From a Forbes report, as Trump fired the first shots of the global trade war last week, his net worth, according to Forbes, prior to Liberation Day, his net worth was $4.7 billion. $4.7 billion. Yesterday, That estimate of his net worth was down $4.2 billion. So it appears that President Trump lost $500 million since Liberation Day. We all, if you have anything in the market, if you have a 401k, if you have an IRA, you saw that too. If you looked at your statement. If you ignored my advice and looked at your statement. Because I'm no financial advisor, but that's my advice to you right now. Don't look at your 401k statement. I keep telling you. I tell my friends that. Ignore it. You know, I had a caller a minute ago who talked about the money that he had lost in the last few days. You haven't lost anything. It's on paper. If you write it out, if you don't panic and you don't sell, you haven't lost anything. It's going to come back. I predict that by the end of today, you're going to see some of those earnings regained. And pretty quickly, you're going to see all of them come back, and then you're going to start making money again. 800-655-6453 is how you join the conversation today. Let's go to the phones. Betty is in Lansing, Michigan. Welcome, Betty. You're on the Mike Gallagher Show.
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Tariffs. 58% on China, the highest there was, way high. China's retaliating by cutting off all shipments, all access of America. to all of the rare earth elements. And you might know what they are. I can't pronounce any of them.
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They're cutting it all off, which is going to kill our industry. The things are necessary for solar panels. They're necessary for jet engines. They're necessary for all kinds of chemicals. And anything we make has rare earth minerals in it. And China is entirely, supposedly, I'm told, cutting off all, all, all shipments in retaliation for the tariffs on China. And that needs to be publicized, and somebody needs to be dealing with that. And it's really important, and I hope you'll put it out there.
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Well, Betty, that's what China is claiming they're going to do. That's part of their posturing on tariffs, and that's part of the negotiation.
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No, I got an email.
SPEAKER 01 :
Betty, we're just in this a few days. That's what they're talking about doing. But that's why the deal with Ukraine is important, too, because Ukraine has some of those same minerals. And that's why the president wants this deal with Ukraine not only to get peace between Ukraine and Russia, but our deal with Ukraine would allow us to mine for those same minerals that we get from China.
SPEAKER 09 :
I've seen the statistics. There are some other sources. First of all, they're minuscule compared to what Russia has. And Russia has set up an application process where nothing will be shipped to the United States. nothing that we need from computer screens to you name it. Check it out. Check it out.
SPEAKER 01 :
Betty, that's part of the deal, Betty. That's part of the deal with Ukraine, some of the mineral rights that we would be getting. I know that. But here's the point, and listen to me for a minute, Betty won't let me talk. The deal is this. That's why we have to become less reliant on anybody, whether it's China, whether it's Ukraine, Russia, anybody. We have to start finding a source ourselves. Joey Hudson, in for Mike today.
Dive into the complexities of global trade, media influence, and investor sentiments in today's episode of Best Stocks Now. With professional money manager Bill Gunderson at the helm, insights reveal how elements like tariffs and short seller strategies influence market behaviors. Discover the latest on energy trades and technology sector headwinds while unpacking an investigative look into the directional shifts in market trends. Keep up with the latest investment opportunities amid rapidly evolving financial scenarios.
SPEAKER 01 :
We'll be right back.
SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome to the Taco Tuesday, Two for Tuesday edition of the Best Stocks Now show. This is professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. So just as Friday was one of the worst days I've ever seen in my career, today's one of the best days I've ever seen during my career. You've got the Dow up right now 1,424 points. As the short sellers scramble like cockroaches when the lights come on. The Dow is up 3.75%. But wait a minute, it gets even better than that. The NASDAQ is up 657 points right now. As the short sellers scramble to cover their shorts. Before they mess their shorts, the NASDAQ is up 4.17%. The S&P is up 3.9%. But the short sellers will be back. I mean, they want to attack. They want to bring the market down. They want money printing ad infinitum. But they're getting crushed here today. Also, the bond market, man, the yield curve is really steepening here. indicating that the probabilities for a recession at least according to the markets has gone down and bitcoin is having a huge day i sent out a tweet yesterday i said i'm not a big fan of bitcoin but if you are i said this sure looks like a good entry point it's up 4 300 today so welcome to today's best stocks now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. And I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. And, you know, Barry, I've seen it time and time again. When you're in the pits of hell with COVID and with the financial crisis, you know, you're – The psychology of it is there will never be another good day again. I mean, it's like it's going to go down 1,500 points a day until it goes to zero.
SPEAKER 07 :
And we've seen that in consumer sentiment, right? You've seen it in investor sentiment, all of the feel-good indicators, right? We'll call it non-financial indicators, right, have kind of led us partly to where we're at.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
That and some uncertainty, but when you've fallen this fast, typically, right, kind of the market tends to overshoot in both directions, and in this case, in the downward direction, and we're seeing a little bit of hopefully what ends up being a bottom here, as you mentioned in your article.
SPEAKER 03 :
They'll be back. I mean, the short sellers will be back, but I think they're fighting a losing battle. I really do. I think... I think they're being driven a lot by their hatred for what the new administration is trying to accomplish with laying off people in the government and bringing down government spending and getting tough on our trading partners. And they would rather have the status quo. The problem was the status quo was not sustainable. Somebody comes in with a bold plan to change it, which really shakes up the markets big time. You've seen it. The short interest and the misery index and the negativity and all of this and that, all you've got to do is turn on CNBC or listen to Bloomberg and listen. You'll want to jump off to the bridge by the end of the day. But, you know, there always is a tomorrow. I'm not saying that we're out of the woods, but I felt like yesterday there was a major capitulation in the morning. And, man, I wish I would not have been on the air. It was there for not very long.
SPEAKER 07 :
Did you see that on a chart? That was amazing because I looked at it as soon as we got off the show. I was trying to look at the minute ticks here to see what happened, and it was interesting. It was like literally the NASDAQ was up 1.45% in the green at one point, and then literally – That was on break, and then when we came back from break, I think it was in the red literally three minutes later.
SPEAKER 03 :
It was a wild day yesterday.
SPEAKER 07 :
It must have been a big trade. Something big. It had to be a big purchase that was made to make that bump come up.
SPEAKER 03 :
I have found, though, when you get those big wild swings, that that's also an indication that the other side, the short sellers and the sellers themselves, are becoming exhausted and they get more equilibrium yeah you get more equilibrium there essentially like on uh thursday and friday i mean there was no fight back at all from the buyers just like watch it plunge there's there was no buying coming in whatsoever and that all turned around yesterday you know it's just i've also seen We have two sides. We have a fear side. It's like the phantom of the face that's black on one side and white on the other. We have a greed side and we have a fear side. That can vacillate back and forth very quickly. I've seen it before. Okay, so yesterday... Let me get to my notes here. It's always another busy day in the market here today. We've got a lot to cover. Countries and companies, that's what it's all about right now. You know, the countries are very important to keep an eye on, but I think it's also even more important, as Scott Besson said, to keep an eye on what the companies are going to do. in response to this kind of a new world order. And it wasn't the world order that everybody expected. I mean, the Great Reset was supposed to be global, a global world order. And instead, it's gone the other way, much to the globalist's chagrin. And yesterday we closed with the Dow down 349, but it felt like a victory because it was down 1500 at one point. The NASDAQ closed up 15. I considered that to be a real victory yesterday. I don't know if you've noticed, but the yield curve has really steepened. We're like at 50 basis point gap between the short-term bond, two-year, and the 10-year, which means that, you know what? I mean, the market thinks, eh, maybe not a recession after all. And the AI stocks had a really good day yesterday. The Palantirs, the NVIDIAs, the CrowdStrikes of the world. I also saw good action in the Nuke stocks and I just saw some really, really nice action. I looked at the overall software sector, IGV, I saw a bottom there and I saw some software stocks that were looking pretty good yesterday. So anyways, we'll call yesterday a whipsaw. I think personally there's a heck of a lot of short interest in the market right now. I think there's more than ever. I don't know what it was like back in 1987. You'd have to ask your dad that question, Barry, and report back tomorrow. Was there many short sellers and naysayers and negative CNBC and negative Bloomberg? I mean, probably the only news you got was Walter Cronkite in the afternoon with how the Dow did, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I mean, that's really why the Dow still remains kind of that reported number just because it's been the one thing on nightly news that they always put up there over the years. But, yeah, I mean, number one, you didn't have as many pundits. Certainly a lot of your news was read, right, whether it was Wall Street Journal. Pick your periodical at that point in time. And so the odd thing is, of course – Once the market closed in 1987, you still had... you know an hour-and-a-half or two hours of trades that had big you finally get uh... reconciled because there was so much treating and yes we didn't have you know the electronic trading that we have nowadays the books that we didn't even know yeah well at four o'clock you didn't even know what the clothes was going to be put it that way this that well european markets rebound on hopes that u s may soften terror stance well they have another thing come and he is not going to soften the terror stance
SPEAKER 03 :
He's going to hold firm. And again, I would recommend to anybody watching the Scott Besson interview with Tucker Carlson, And that will educate you. I have a hard time with people that complain and knock somebody's plan when they don't even know what it is. And until you understand and know what the plan is, how can you criticize the plan? I have a hard time with people that criticize a book that they haven't even read. That's just the way it is. And he's not going to soften. They're going to have to soften. if they want better trade deals. According to Mark Hassett over at the White House, he says 70 countries have now called and are attempting to negotiate trade deals. Wall Street's fear gates falls. The VIX did fall. I said it on Friday after the market closed. I said, I sure wouldn't want to be short this market at this level. The P.E. ratios have come down considerably. I mean, material drops. The NASDAQ, which got way up to 35, the forward P.E. hit 21.9 yesterday. And the S&P, which was up around 23, hit 18.3 yesterday. You want to be short with those forward P.E.s? Good luck with that. We'll be right back. And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Stocks Now show. Well, I was busy slugging there yesterday, putting some money to work, and we're getting rewarded with it today. There's never been a better time. I mean, these are the kinds of times when you want to have somebody out there looking for the best. At the cheapest price, and we're certainly seeing plenty of that right now.
SPEAKER 07 :
And tiptoe. Tiptoe. That's what I loved about your notes yesterday.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm not going in with guns blazing yet, but I certainly did buy quite a bit yesterday. Now, here's some winners today. Palantir, maybe our biggest position, up 10.1% so far today. Vistra Energy, nuke stock. They had a good day yesterday, but I just worry about... how long it takes to build a nuclear plant that's my problem I've kinda had a a revisit of that whole nuclear sector. You know, Trump's pushing coal right now for these data centers.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you've got to think. I mean, what's the most near-term sources of power that you can turn on? Obviously, natural gas turbines, coal, coal plants. Nuclear is, I mean... We won't have any more nuclear reactors until after 2030.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, that puts it in perspective. I listened to a guy that was an absolute expert on nuclear, and he says, we will not have more nuclear power coming online until after 2030. That's five years from now, okay?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and the experts who, I mean, I've seen, you know, 10 years ago, I remember, you know, when they were talking about, you know, potentially, you know, building new ones. The problem was, you know, most of the companies that do it are already booked up in terms of projects. I forget their name. There's a big Dutch company from the Netherlands, engineers, and they don't have any capacity to build them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, other winners in the market today. Celestica up 8.5%. These are stocks we own. NVIDIA is up 7.9% today. CrowdStrike, which I purchased yesterday.
SPEAKER 07 :
NASDAQ is up 4.4%.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, baby. CrowdStrike is up 7.9%. Now, don't forget, it could be down 1,000 tomorrow, the way these short sellers are out to get the market. Constellation Energy is up 7.1 today. Tesla is up 6.7. Elon is finally having a good day. Robinhood up 6.6. Spotify up 6.1. I always call it Boyd. I think it's B-Y-D. It's up 5.5. Lily is up 5.3.
SPEAKER 07 :
I used to call it Boyd, too. When we first wrote an article about them, what, like three or four years ago now?
SPEAKER 03 :
How can a Chinese company be named Boyd? That's like Smith, you know? Dash is up 5.3. Meta is up 5.2. Progressive is up 5.1. Dutch Brothers, which I don't know if you caught the news, Dutch Brothers is going to build their first South Carolina outlet in Somerville. See, that's your job. I'm not a coffee drinker. That's your job to go out there with your boys and your wife and sample that Dust Brothers goods when it comes. Netflix is up 5% today. Goldman Sachs is up 5% today. Amazon's up 4.7%. So those are just some examples of stocks that are having a very good day. why and seven and a half oh man and palantir i mean those are best of class i said yesterday and if you're not signed up for the four-week trial oh well you know look it's up to you i sent out yesterday i said the the the software sector has just gone positive i showed the chart And I said, our favorite two software stocks are Palantir and CrowdStrike. And they're both having a very big day today. Okay, back to what's going on in the world and all this and that. There's a lot going on. And there's a lot of individual companies in the news here today. Okay, now, this was an interesting thing. Over the last, going back, the biggest down two days, two days in a row. Black Monday, which I was not there for, down 24% in two days. GFC, which is the great financial crisis, down 12% in two days. I was there for that.
SPEAKER 07 :
That was the Lehman. That would have been the Lehman moment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, Lehman and Bear. And that's when Jim Cramer was saying that you should be buying Lehman and Bear Stearns at these levels. Those stocks are gone. They're done.
SPEAKER 07 :
They went to zero. Yeah, the interesting thing is after the Lehman moment and kind of before, everything else was death by a thousand cuts. Those were kind of the two biggest moves. That position was about the biggest repricing in a two-day period during that whole time span.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And then in two days when COVID first hit our shores, you had down 15% in two days.
SPEAKER 07 :
End of February, early March.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, and in March of 2020, we came out with our big buy article. I mean, the people thought I was crazy. I was nuts. We missed it by like two days. So we've got another article out there today on Seeking Alpha. I haven't even looked at how many people have looked at it. But we came in in March of 2020 with a big buy. Then the other big two-day down day was the reciprocal tariffs. That was Thursday and Friday. We were down 12% in two days in the market. So those are the worst ones. And we also, on Seeking Alpha, I made, well, Seeking Alpha wasn't around in 2009, but in the newsletter of 2009, March, That was the financial crisis. I said a new bull market is being born in March of 2009. Look how far the markets come since 2009. Earnings have been going up every year except for the COVID year. And then, of course, in January of 2020, we came along. That was in, that's, oh, no, first go back to March of 2020, the COVID crisis. You can see the article. It's right there. I mean, the bottom has been in. And then I taunted the shirt sellers the next couple weeks. I said, the bottom's here? What are you waiting for? And pretty soon people came around and said, hey, you know what? I think this guy's right. Then, of course, January of 2023, after the NASDAQ was down 30% in 2022 from the rate hikes, we came in with a roaring buy signal on January the 6th. And now here's our... Fourth one over the last 15 years, 16 years, I guess, that I put out over the weekend. Okay, and it's in the, it's in, go to Seeking Alpha today. it should be the number one trending story on seeking alpha i doubt that it is you know they would rather read this is why the market's going to hell you didn't put dividend in the title bill yes this is the buy this reek with buy this stock with a 13 dividend now and and rest comfortably the rest of your life that's the kind of headlines they like but we'll see i mean i'm Sure, we'll gather some attention. I sent it out to my 22,000 followers on Seeking Alpha. Whether they open it or not, that's their business. But it's out there. I put my neck on the line during the darkest moments, and I did it once again. So we'll see. Trump says he will not pause the U.S. tariffs. No, he's not going to pause them. That's what Wall Street wants. Hey, just take it back. You can always just take it back. No, but he's willing to negotiate. And so far, from what I understand, 70 countries have come forward to try to negotiate a deal with Trump. Vietnam went to zero, from what I read. Now, not only what are the countries doing, what are the companies doing that are in the crosshairs here? We'll be right back. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services... Call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show.
SPEAKER 05 :
Call out the instigator Because there's something in the air
SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome back here to the second half already of today's Best Docs Now show. I love this comment by Scott Besson. You know, I've become a big Scott Bassett fan, I've got to admit. He said that China's retaliatory tariffs are a big mistake, contending that the U.S. holds an advantage over China. Well, of course we do. China relies more on its exports to the U.S. than America relies on exports to China. Yeah, how much does China buy from us? Well, I'll tell you in a minute. Earlier on Tuesday, Beijing said it would fight to the end in the trade war. On Monday, President Trump said he would impose an additional 50% to existing tariffs on Chinese goods coming into the U.S. if China didn't withdraw. the 34% retaliatory tariffs, he announced. Now, here's what Besant had to say. They're playing with a pair of twos. Okay, Barry, you know a little bit about playing cards and poker. And I remember when Trump said to Zelensky, you don't have the cards. China's got a pair of twos. Why? Because we export one-fifth to them of what they export to us. That's a losing hand for them. Now we see it right here. Talk about boots on the ground. How about boats on the water? These ships that come in here with all these China goods, we don't load any containers on there and send them back to China. They go back empty. Right?
SPEAKER 07 :
That's correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Besson said about 70 countries have contacted the White House seeking to start talks after Trump announced a sweeping round of tariffs. Just to give you a little clue, the article that I published on Seeking Alpha, it's basically the same one that the newsletter people got prior to this one going out. I added a few little bells and whistles to the Seeking Alpha article, but the title of the article is I think the tariffs are going to work. I think they're on the right track. And that obviously is a contrarian position. Trump claims that the U.S. is having direct nuclear talks with Iran. I mean, he's talking to 70 countries and Iran. And he had the Dodgers in the Oval Office yesterday. It could have been the Padres. It wasn't the Padres. It was the Dodgers. And I still think he should charge them a tariff on Shohei Otani. 30% tariff, right? I know. Jeff Webster's a big Dodger fan, so I like to kid him. I grew up as a Dodger fan. When we moved to San Diego, I became a hometown guy and... This and that. It's a big rivalry. EU proposes 25% reciprocal tariffs on some U.S. imports. And I would say, how much clout does the EU have? I mean, here's some of the things that they're going to put tariffs on. Diamonds? I mean, how many diamonds do we have in America? Eggs? Okay, they're going to put a 25% tariff on our eggs. Dental floss? Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, all I know is we're sending eggs over there. That seems like a very delicate transport process.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm going to throw eggs over there. Dental floss, they're going to throw tariff on. Sausage, poultry, almonds, and soybeans. Now, do you think that's going to put us out of business?
SPEAKER 07 :
You know what? I saw what they didn't put tariff on was bourbon.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bourbon. They love our bourbon. You know, look, I love my European... I'm European from, you know, Norway, England, Scotland. That's me. I'm a mix. And we love our European friends. But Europe has not been a good trading partner. Trump says that the EU must buy $350 billion of U.S. energy to get tariff relief. That's why I think... And the value fund... I'm really looking at the energy, U.S. energy stocks. I found one yesterday that has the same business model that Texas Pacific Land has. It's a recent IPO. And I added it to the emerging growth account. That's the kind of digging that I do under the ground here, under the water, trying to find stuff. But I think his biggest thing that he wants to sell from America, it's not bourbon. I mean, that's not a big, big, big, big product.
SPEAKER 07 :
oil it's lng well really in liquefied natural gas i mean you know i think with with trump's policies actually you know you could you can make an argument that oil companies may not do as great because oil prices may be you know considerably lower particularly for frackers but uh on the liquefied natural gas side of things. If you can open up new places to sell LNG, right? We had that moratorium on it.
SPEAKER 05 :
They have expensive energy.
SPEAKER 07 :
We had moratorium on it. Yeah. During Biden's time. And so now it's one of the things I think you can make a good argument for in terms of LNG having a good tailwind during this administration.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Bank of America, they revised their S&P 500 target down to 5,600 by year end. I don't know where they were at before. I think they were around 6,200 or something like that. And my friend Marko Kalanovich, you know, there's only a few people that have been wrong more than Marko Kalanovich. It's pretty hard to find people that have been wrong more than him. He calls the whole Trump move a clown show. He said that, let's see, he believes that maybe we'll get a little rebound, but he sees the S&P down around $4,800 from its current level. That's his target price. He's been wrong for 27 years in a row. Why does J.P. Morgan keep the guy? I don't know. He's good at selling bonds, right? Jamie Dimon himself is pretty negative and pretty wrong a lot of the time. Chip stocks fluctuate as the EU gets set to retaliate against Trump tariffs. You know, I would say this. Microsoft has a big advantage over Google with ChatGPT. I use several browsers. And when I'm on Microsoft GPT, I can ask it. How much exposure does NVIDIA have to the tariffs? And I get a very good answer. You ask Google the same thing, and you get about 20 articles that you've got to read that I don't have time to read. So I would say that's one of the reasons why Google stock has been so soft. I think Microsoft has a huge competitive advantage.
SPEAKER 07 :
My dad, I mean, yeah, just so you know, talking about boots on the ground, my dad's not always been the fastest to adopt technology, right? It's like, oh, yeah, this old iPhone still works fine. Yeah, my sister's like that. But he's using chat GPT more than anybody I know. It's like... He used to ask me, okay, why would Google something? I'm like, well, he's like, well, what do you type in? I'm like, well, whatever comes in my head, I type it, right? And now, of course, he's over there talking into it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Like you're talking to somebody. Ask a question.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm like, that's exactly how I told him he should have typed it in years ago. You know what?
SPEAKER 03 :
I entered about 20 companies yesterday. I said, what kind of exposure does – I did Dutch Brothers. I did Embraer in Brazil. What kind of exposure do they have to tariffs? And it comes up with a beautiful answer in a nanosecond. And you ask Google the same question, and you don't. So there's a tip for all of you out there. If you want to stock, I entered Honeywell yesterday. I entered GE. What kind of tariff exposure do they have? And it will tell you exactly. Okay, here's another example, Burger King. I didn't really think I'd get an answer. What kind of exposure does Burger King have to tariffs? 10% of Burger King's meat comes from Australia. 90% is American. All right, so they have a little bit of exposure. What a great thing that AI can be. Now, I had another guy who follows me, a subscriber. In a nutshell, the app is AI that I built 15 years ago before AI because it's full of algorithms. algorithms and ai are no good in a panic situation that's like saying well where were the algorithms when covet hit shore shouldn't have predicted that no you have to override artificial and he he this guy wrote to me he said how come your app has a cell on the uh on the nasdaq and you're saying bye because i overwrote it with human intelligence that's why AI, if you want to see what I mean, you remember Paul that worked with us for a while there. Okay, I wrote down to Sarasota with him and his Tesla. I said, Paul, take your hands off the wheel and let me see how it does. He said, oh, no, you don't want to do that. He says, you go through a construction area. Okay. I mean, where the lines got dirt on them and whatnot or they're not where they normally are. He says, you'll go off the bridge. I said, okay, keep your hands on the steering wheel. That's the way I feel about A.I., Yes, it's great to find out that Burger King gets 10% of their meat from Australia, which is subject to tariffs. But when AI, my own AI that I developed for the app, is saying the NASDAQ's a sell here, well, you know what? This is not a normal situation. We're going through a construction area right now where the lines are blurred. We'll be right back.
SPEAKER 06 :
Go where you want to go, do what you want to do, and win whoever you choose.
SPEAKER 03 :
And looking back here to the final segment of today's Best Docs Now show. Well, yesterday we had a little bit of a lesson on who ends up paying the tariff in the long run. And if you listen to the Tucker Carlson, Scott Besson interview, the MIT study showed that the 20% tariffs put on And China, which are still there, the consumer ended up paying about less than 2% of the 20% at the end of the day. And I see today that Stellantis here, which isn't a big problem. They have a big problem. Stellantis has a big problem. Yeah, they're Alfa Romeo, they're Maserati, they're Chrysler, they're Jeep. They build their cars all over the world. So they're going to be in big, big problem with all of the imports they want to bring in. They are willing to help suppliers with tariff payments. You see that? The company has to step forward and help with the tariff payments. And, of course, I mean, who's going to buy a Stellantis car if there's a 20%? There's the other rub for them is their sales are going to plummet, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I saw a marketing campaign, obviously, watching the final four and the final last night. Of course, congratulations to them. Florida Gators on their win. That was a good one. My mom was happy. But that's her squad.
SPEAKER 03 :
So Florida, they're in what city is the University of Florida? Gainesville. Okay, so I go right through there on my way to Sarasota. Driven by there many times. And you're Florida State.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. So my sister went to Florida. I went to Florida State. So, yeah, a little rivalry there, obviously, basketball-wise. Her bracket won the family bracket this year for my mom. So congratulations there. But watching it, I'd noticed already I saw a Jeep commercial, right? It was talking about where... you know, where different Jeep models are made, had the, you know, American flag back there, and of course showed the, you know, showed the, you know, Jeeps getting thrown out of the, you know, via parachute in World War II, so... You can see that it's already, you know, some of the, whether it's marketing campaign or, you know, moving manufacturing, you're already, you know, seeing a public perception change in that direction.
SPEAKER 03 :
I honestly don't see Stellantis surviving. I don't know. Not as is.
SPEAKER 07 :
Certainly, you could spin Jeep off, right? I mean, obviously, Jeep's a pretty... Pretty solid brand, and people are passionate about it.
SPEAKER 03 :
We need him to take over Chrysler. He was out there in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, where we're headed in a few months. Apple sees panic buying of iPhones amid tariff worries. Apple made a big mistake. Now they're going to source more iPhones from India. I guess there's a cheaper tariff on it. Well, there is. But India still, they were one of the worst. Their tariffs were sky high, and I remember not too long ago we had the leader of India come visit. And you could just see when Trump was meeting with him, like, you're screwing us over, pal. And I think that's why he came, Modi, he came here in a hurry to try to work, to get ahead of it, right? He was one of the first guys to meet with Trump to get ahead of things. And I don't know what the tariff, Trump has imposed, well, here it is. Trump has imposed a tariff of at least 54% on Chinese goods. So if you buy an Apple iPhone, I guess that's in effect now, I don't know. While the rate on Indian goods is just 26%.
SPEAKER 07 :
And in Trump's first term, they had a carve-out. Apple had a carve-out, I believe, in the first term. We don't know if there's going to be a carve-out at this point.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don't know that Apple, he's going to give a carve-out to Apple. I think he's going to say to them, look.
SPEAKER 07 :
The problem is you can't build one here. But you can. That's the rub. That's all...
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cook has to do tim cook see it's all he has to do is say we're building a plant in austin it's all he's got to do he doesn't have to build the i mean plans to build the plant he'll get a car i'm serious no i believe he wants a commitment of how much you're going to spend and where your plants are going to be located here in america I promise you. And that's another fallacy about what they're saying on CNBC and all these doomsayers and naysayers. They think, well, you can't build these things. It's going to take a while to build the plants. Well, that's all you've got to do is announce your intentions you're going to build the plant. That's all. You can do that tomorrow. and get a carve-out and get favorable treatment. I mean, that's the third element that Trump has added to tariffs is it's a negotiation tool, okay, to get money coming back to America, spending money in America. and revitalizing these plants that have been shuttered for so long. The semiconductor is still up in the air to me where that's all going to land because obviously they're built in Taiwan. They're designed in the United States. That's why you call NVIDIA is a semiconductor fabless. They're fabless. They're not the fab four. They're fabless. They don't have any fab. They don't fabricate. They design. They design and they send that design to Taiwan. But I've got to believe that NVIDIA, playing such an important role and giving us such a huge advantage, just like this advantage we talked about with ChatGPT versus Google, what is the advantage of us having the NVIDIA technology and that being an American company with Jensen Wang, an Oregon Duck graduate at the helm, And keeping that technology away from, I don't know, does China have it? I don't know. Are they going to come up with the NVIDIA that's faster than NVIDIA? I don't know. But we're doing everything we can to keep that out of their hands. And I've got to believe that Trump would treat NVIDIA favorably. Because to keep them from getting that technology out to China, that's just my thought there. And AMD for that, and Intel also. I think there's going to be some kind of a carve-out because of the importance that these chips play. Okay, let's see here. Yeah, Trump order looks to harness coal power to dominate AI. That's crazy, you know? Is it smart? Well, we just said that no nuclear power is going to come online for the next five years. You can hook up to existing nuclear power. That's what Microsoft did with Constellation Energy in Baltimore.
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Yeah, take the mothballs out of one that you've decommissioned. But, yeah, I mean, in clean coal, coal has come a long way. Clean coal, right, has come a long way. Of course, the problem is in other parts of the world that they don't use clean coal, particularly in China.
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In this enlightening episode of The Good News with Angie Austin, we dive deep into the incredible journey of Athena Dean Holtz. From facing heartbreak and spiritual challenges to finding love and purpose, Athena shares her unique story of redemption. As one of the authors of 'Together for a Purpose: Love and Mission in Marriage and Ministry,' Athena discusses the hurdles and joys of blending personal faith with marital commitment. Learn how Athena overcame a tumultuous past and ultimately found peace and mission alongside her husband, Dr. Ross Holtz.
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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here's Angie.
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Hey there, friend. Angie Austin here with the good news. We are talking to the author, one of the authors of Together for a Purpose, Love and Mission in Marriage and Ministry. This is written by Dr. Ross and Athena Dean Holtz. And joining us is Athena Dean Holtz. Welcome, Athena. Hey, thanks for having me on, Angie. You are welcome. So let's talk about how you and Dr. Ross came together for this, you know, came together in general. Talk about that first.
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Well, it's an interesting story because his late wife of 49 years, when I first met her, she was not sick or she didn't know she was sick. None of that was on the horizon at all. And she pulled me aside one day and said, you know, I told Ross if anything ever happens to me, he needs to marry you.
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Wow.
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And I was like, OK, OK. What she didn't know was that I would sit in the back of the church and go, God, can you give me somebody like that? He loves his family. He's not a flirt. He is humble. He's transparent. Can you give me someone like that? Not can you give me him, right?
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Right.
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Yeah. When she said that to me, it just, I mean, I had all sorts of weird, like, does he know that I know that she, you know, I mean, the whole self-talk thing. And it just kind of took me by surprise. And then pretty soon I was like, you know, my brother asked me to come down to San Antonio to help with our mom. And I was happy to just kind of get out of there because I didn't like the head games that I was, you know, feeling so, um, While I was there, about a year after I went, I saw something on Facebook that she had been diagnosed with cancer and three months and she was gone.
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Oh, my goodness. And were you married at the time? I understand you were coming out of a situation.
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I actually was divorced due to a 13 year detour into a very toxic. I mean, it was a cult. It was a Christian cult situation. that completely used scripture out of context to deceive me, and I fell for it. And they got me when my husband said, this is not scriptural. They turned it around and got me to divorce him in the name of Jesus. Let the unbeliever leave. I mean, I still am appalled that I listened to them. But this quote-unquote pastor and his wife basically arranged me to divorce my husband and long and short, they wanted to get my publishing company and everything that I, um, had at that time, the influence that I had. So he has already remarried actually twice. So it wasn't an option to, you know, get that restored. And so I was 14 years, hadn't been on a date in 14 years.
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Oh my goodness.
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And then you're praying to God.
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And you're praying to God to get someone like Dr. Ross Holtz, who's your coauthor and now husband. Uh, and Athena Dean Holtz is telling her story about, uh, how she was led to divorce her husband coming out of a Christian cult. She meets Dr. Ross Holtz and his wife. His wife gets sick, but had told you, I told Ross, if anything happens to me, then he should marry you. And then after she passed away, did you get in touch with him? What happened?
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Well, it was interesting. Um, I had been doing, I was on the radio in San Antonio. I was in Texas. I was never going to go back to Washington. And while I was actually recuperating in the hospital for gallbladder surgery, I got a text. that the people who had robbed me of my publishing company, Wine Press Publishing, the couple that got me to divorce Chuck, they basically, the landlord locked him out of the office, said, you're done. And so I got this text, will you come back to Washington and help all these authors? Wow. And so it was that invitation that I was actually under a ministry, a missionary ministry, and they said, well, we have to call whoever your pastor is. If you're going to go under our covering, we need to get in touch. Well, I mean, the last church that I was at was Ross's church. So he gets this phone call, Athena's coming back. Would you be her overseer for her radio ministry? And little did I know, when Kathy was on her deathbed, she made a list of five women that he had permission to consider as a wife. And I was number one on the list, and all the kids had already been prepared. Just don't give your dad a hard time. He needs to get remarried. So it was like all set up without me even knowing it.
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That is so wild. So you go back, and the two of you start dating, and then obviously the kids have been prepared to accept it. And then when did you end up getting married?
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So I went back in January. We ended up getting married in June.
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Wow.
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Which some people thought was too soon, but at 67 years old, my husband's like, I don't know how much time I have left. So we wanted to put it off until October just to be more – like there's something in the Bible that says you have to do that. No, there's not.
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Well, considering you were first on the list, I don't think – I mean that's part of the story, so I don't think she was saying she's first on the list and you have to wait a certain amount of months. So again, we're talking to Athena Dean Holtz. The book is Together for a Purpose, Love and Mission in Marriage and Ministry. I was interested in something in your book that I thought I could really relate to, and it had to do with – You're right. We honor each other by compromising. Let's talk about how that looks like in your marriage because I'm a big fan of that as well because my husband is a big-time debater. He really likes to win an argument. He's very strong in his beliefs about certain things, and he loves a good debate. And so I often reach some kind of compromise in our discussions, shall I say.
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Right, right. Well, and I think the word compromise has such a kind of negative connotation, like you're being unspiritual if you compromise, like you're compromising the gospel. I mean, that's kind of got that feeling to it. And we just realized that we need to give and take. And there are times when my husband wants to do something and I do not want to do. I don't want to go spend time with those people, or I don't want to, you know, I just don't want to do it, but I have to be willing to be pliable and say, okay, Lord, I'm going to do, I'm going to compromise what I want and be more sensitive to what he is asking. And he does the same for me. I mean, there are times where he does not want to Go do something for me that I need done because I'm busy with an author or doing something. And so it's just one of those give and take where you bend and you just defer. To the other person.
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Let's talk about some of the challenges. You obviously had some, you know, marrying someone who'd been, you know, such a close family friend and you've been friends with his late wife and, you know, throw kids into the mix, etc. Let's talk about some of the hurdles that you had to overcome.
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Well, one was with the church, which we had no idea is very common when a pastor remarries. oftentimes there are church splits and people just are up in arms. And we didn't know that before we got married. And I don't know whether it would have changed anything about timing, but we had like about a third of the congregation left. They couldn't state, you know, it was scriptural, it's a sin issue, it's nothing like that. And what I came to find out later is that it really was wives who were offended that Ross could replace Kathy so easily. And he didn't replace her. You know, it's not even a matter of that. But that's what the enemy loves to stir up in people in situations like that. One gal told me that I just... like thought to myself how dare she or how dare he uh marry her so quickly that that doesn't honor kathy and but as she prayed about it she realized what she was worried about is that her husband would do the same thing to her oh isn't that interesting yes and she just said as soon as i saw that i repented and totally the desire to leave and be mad went totally went away
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I think a lot of pastors are meant to be married. You know, it's teamwork and it's a difficult job. What are some of the other things that we will learn that you think are important for us to know about in the book Together for a Purpose, Love and Mission in Marriage and Ministry?
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Well, I just think that one of the big things is, you know, our scripture is Romans 8, 28, that God will use all things together for good. for those who love him and are, you know, called according to his purposes. But then the next verse, verse 29 says, so that we can be conformed to the likeness of Christ. And, you know, he wants to take every, I mean, every challenge. We have adult kids, mental health issues. I mean, we got all sorts of messy. And it's just by looking at everything through the lens of Romans 8.28, he is going to use this. He is aware of our pain and our struggles, and he's going to use it for his good to sanctify us and make us more like his son.
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Yeah, I think I was reading about – you were talking about bringing people together in marriage is highly problematic. I thought that was a funny quote because it is problematic. It is meant to be difficult and make us more like Christ.
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Yeah. So it's, it's just been so many different things. I mean, I brought my baggage in my, you know, all my trauma from the whole spiritual abuse thing, you know, he brought his luggage in and baggage in and we, we open it together and we re react to it together. And hopefully we grow in emotional maturity and spiritual maturity so that we can really, um, work best together in a way that is healthy and not toxic.
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So we only have about a minute left. How does understanding your purpose as a couple help us plan our actions? So you want couples to have a purpose together.
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Absolutely. When we understand together what God is calling us to do together, not as individuals, we are able to make intentional decisions and goals so that we stay focused on that as God continues to sanctify us and work with us and grow us as individuals, but also as couples.
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Well, and obviously you as a couple, one of your big purposes is ministry.
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Yes. Yes. And that is so, I mean, you just, whether you're in full-time ministry, quote unquote, and that's your job or not, you're in ministry. And to understand that we are, Jesus with skin on, and we're the ones that are going to make a statement with our lives and with the things we do and the things we decide and the things we say yes to and the things we say no to. We are speaking to all the people that are watching us, including our family members and everyone else.
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All right, Athena Dean-Holtz, give us a website where people can find you.
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athena dean holtz.com or together for a purpose.com thank you so much athena what a blessing to have you on that on the good news you bet angie thanks for having me
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Hey there, friend, Angie Austin and Dr. Cheryl Lentz with the good news. Dr. Cheryl Lentz, the academic entrepreneur. Hey, friend, how are you?
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Hi there. Good, good, good. Loving that spring is coming. I'm looking out my window and the plants are starting to see daylight. I like it.
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Oh, I love it. I love it. I love it. Okay. So I have these 40 questions that I worked on last week and they're just kind of life questions, but I thought they were super fun in it. I'm really into our friend Jim Stovall's Golden List, and I've been doing it more regularly, the 10 things that you're grateful for every day, and that really helps you appreciate life, because every time I'm on his list, he lets me know, and probably once a year, I make his list, and he said I was right below a crystal, which is really solid territory, he said, so... That's nice. Yeah, I know. I love it. Okay. So I thought this was, I'm going to make this into a two part. So first, the first part of the question is, what do you want to remember forever? And it shows a sunset. And I think about one New Year's Eve sitting with friends on a beach in California in Marina del Rey, right by Venice Beach, looking at a sunset thinking, I'll remember this moment forever. And I'm sure there are other things. So while you're answering, I'm going to think, what do you want to remember forever?
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Wow. I think I want to remember when my Siberian Husky, George, picked me for the first time. It was the most magical moment because he stood on his back legs. He put one of his paws on either side of my shoulders. And looked me right in the eye as if to say, yep, you'll do. You're my new mom. And as if that was just the decision that needed to be made. And he made it. And we took him home. And unfortunately, he died about six years later. He died young. But it was the most magical thing I've ever seen to connect to nature with the fact that I was being evaluated and found that I was good. Yeah.
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Wow, that is so I love that. I love that. I mean, I think there's like several like moments, you know, you remember, I remember once, shortly after my brother died, and it was like, there was a bad I mean, he was murdered. And there was just a bad experience that happened after that. And I remember just being in my condo in Marina Del Rey, it was right on the oceanfront, which that that wasn't bad news. And I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember, I um and no one was on the beach because it was a little bit stormy but there was this like a ray of light that was shining on this one lone guy um walking on the beach and my brother had done that a painting of you know when jesus talks about how what you know you see two sets of footprints but then you only see one in the sand yes and that he's carrying you through the difficult you know part of your journey and that's why you only see one set of prints And so he looked like that from a distance. You know, it looked like the one man walking in the sand. And my brother had done this painting. And after he was murdered, I did get some of his paintings. And that was one that I did that I received. And I got chills. Yeah, I got the chills because no one's out there. It's starting to rain already. The wind and the sand are blowing, but there is this stream of sunlight on this man that looked like the Jesus painting my brother had done. And I just felt a sense of peace, like that he was okay, that he was in heaven, like that moment, that picture, that visual, like I can really see in my mind. And that's the whole feeling of when you really know God is real, when you have that peace that surpasses all understanding. So that's a cool one for me, I think, to remember for sure. Okay. Okay, and I'm going to change this. What do you want to be remembered for?
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Ah, that one's easy because this is the legacy exercise you and I have talked about, you know, in terms of what, you know, when you write your obituary, what are they going to say about you kind of a thing. I'd like to be remembered as the writer. I mean, the ability to be able to take the academic and have made a mark in the world that advanced society in some way, right? Somebody reads something, gets inspired and does something amazing. You know, that's what I'd like to have my writing accomplished someday.
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You know, I was watching, there's a lot of these interviews on Instagram, and that's beautiful, by the way, what you just said. A lot of these videos on Instagram where they're asking male athletes, like college athletes, or they were asking the Nuggets, like, who's the most important person in your life? Or, you know, what do you want to say? It was just amazing to me how much people love their mothers, right? Like many people really love their moms and they were talking about, you know, their moms or how often do you call your mom every day? I'm not ashamed. I call my mom every day or whatever. And just the love that many people have for their mother. So I hope I'm remembered by my kids as being a good mom and that they know that I love them. But secondly, um i think i you know my big thing on forgiveness how i really feel like i'm a forgiveness ambassador and that i really want people to know that uh i i cared about and i could forgive but i also wanted others prompted others to forgive that's very sweet in there that's the contributing to the soul of the world i mean that's beautiful Okay. What do you appreciate most about your current situation? What do you appreciate most about your current situation?
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That's easy. I'm at the end of the life with my Siberian Husky and every day I get with her as a gift. And so we spend as much time as we can together. And today we were at the vet getting her a pain shot and She was so animated and having such a good day and just all kinds of kisses and hugs. And I'm like, that's what I want to remember is the time that I made that magic happen for as long as we can.
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Oh, that's awesome. I like that, you know, working from home and only working part time that I do get to spend a lot of time with my kids and I don't miss any sporting event unless they're at exactly the same time in different areas. I'm there for any school event, any academic event, any sporting event. Like, I can do everything. I mean, we literally live, like, you know, half a mile from the school. Like, I can see it from our hill.
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Oh, that's wonderful. That connection is really important in that foundation you're building. Well done.
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Yeah, love that. Okay, what do you always look forward to? What do you always look forward to? Oh, we're doing a family cruise next week. I love family vacations.
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Oh, nice. Good for you. I look forward to when I go to church, and this is going to be a little self-serving, but the church is because I love the pipe organ. And last Sunday in particular, I go and it's great that church is there, but I will tell you, I go mostly for the music. And he was absolutely in rare form on Sunday. And it just lifts my spirits and makes me smile to have that incredible instrument playing. played so well by such a maestro that it was just, I was joyful all along. Do you say anything to him when he plays like that? You know, I'm one of the few that does stay after church when he does a little mini concert. You know, he'll finish the last hymn in church and then he'll play something after. And sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. But I'm one of the few that, I'm not in church praying, quite frankly. I'm in church listening to that majestic instrument that he's playing and hopefully that he feels appreciated. I often applaud when I leave And I've talked and met him on a couple of occasions, but just that talent in his hands are just amazing.
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Oh, that's why. Is it a Catholic church, by the way? It is. It is.
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St. Raphael's.
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I figured that that would be an area where you would still be able to get an organ played like that, you know, because of the expense of the organ.
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It's a mini cathedral, you know, but I know pipe organs are going the way of the dodo in favor of. innovation and less expensive options that supposedly sound that way. And I'm like, yeah, no, there's no substitute for the real thing.
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Wow. What's it? Yeah. So I say, yeah, for me, a lot of the family vacations are, um, this is an interesting one. What the world needs most right now, what the world needs most right now.
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That to me is easy. Kindness.
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Yeah.
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So many people are so angry about so much. that if we just dialed it back a little bit and smiled and understood that not everybody's having an easy time with this, and wouldn't it be great to be able to just smile and be a little bit more understanding and a little bit more patient whether it's driving whether it's the grocery store i had three people hold the door for me the other day and it was just at the um the culver's restaurant and it was just so sweet that they went out of their way and people were trying just to be nice and i'm like that's the way it should be so yes yeah i mean you're right that isn't as common as it used to be i mean it is wow okay um all right uh i um
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What do you enjoy? Give me three things you really enjoy doing. I always think of when I think of kayaking and things like outdoorsy things, I think of you.
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That was my first one. I got to be on the water, kayaking, absolutely. Anything that has to do with the water could be a ferry ride, could be a boat ride, could be just sitting by the water. Water has such a calming effect with me. Anything with live music, live musicians. I'm going to a band Friday night and I'm always uplifted by the energy of not just a recording, not just the radio, but actually that energy in person when you have live musicians sharing their gift with the world. And I guess the third one would be, you know, spending time with my little girl. Oh, like your doggy. Yeah, exactly. It's just that connection with, again, she's a part of nature and she's my little girl. And It's just magic when you connect because she loves me unconditionally, and she's probably the only one in my world that will just, no matter what it is, mom can do no wrong. I kind of like that.
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Well, I really like that, too. I really look forward to family gym night. I look forward to hanging out in the backyard with all my pets. I even bring the cats out because they'll go in when I tell them to go in, so it's the two cats and the three dogs. But going to my kids' tournaments, that's always really fun because we usually turn it into some kind of family vacation. We're doing Vegas and Salt Lake and Orlando.
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Wow, that's crisscrossing the country.
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Yeah, and I did Anaheim with my son. So that one was fun too. I mean, it was just he and I that time. So that was really fun that we got to spend time together. He stayed with the team, but I still got to spend a lot of time with him. And then let's see. Just time together as a family, that's some of my favorite, like watching a movie together. We used to do family game night. Now that they're a little older, we don't do that as much as we used to, but since we do family gym night, I think that is right up there. Okay, happiness is a blank. Happiness is a blank.
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Happiness is time with my inner circle of friends, whomever they are, whenever they are. It's a people thing. You just got to connect with others.
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Yeah, I would say that Harvard Happiness Project, it's gone on for decades. They found that the largest indicator, most powerful indicator of happiness is connections, friendships, people, family. And so in the last year, I've taken it very seriously. And I've seen three of my best friends from high school, my cousins, all of my sister cousins, the ones that are like, You know, cousins that are more like sisters to me. I've seen all of them. And we'll do get-togethers with this group of cousins. There's like five of us.
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Oh, nice.
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Yeah, and our spouses or, you know, whomever. Kids might come along, too, because they're close to my... I have the youngest kids. So, yeah. So, I like that. I enjoy that. Okay, what's something... And again, if you're listening, join in. Think about some of these things for yourself because it might brighten your day. What's something positive you try to keep in mind when negativity surrounds you?
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Oh, what's something positive? I always value music and knowing that I can change my course just by changing my attitude. So it's always if something's not going right and it's negative, I'm always looking to music as the solution to lighten my soul.
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I like that. What are you grateful for? What are you grateful for?
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Oh, goodness. I'm grateful for where I am. I know some people have done some, you know, I've been struggling with isolation and COVID and connection. And I know I'm grateful to be here. when I wasn't sure that I still would be when I was back in high school. I never thought I'd make it past high school. So every day for me is a gift that I'm still here.
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Oh, high school was hard for you?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, it was I was really ill. Oh, I was going in there. And so the point was that they weren't sure exactly some of those challenges because I went to the Mayo Clinic quite a bit. And they were just thinking I was I've been told three times in my life I was checking out. And so I had not had high hopes that I would live a long life. And so to me, it was like anything past high school was a gift.
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I love that. Oh, I forgot. What does the world mean more of? I think faith, like my Christian faith, our Christian faith does definitely, you know, give peace. All right, DrCherylLentz.com, always fun, friend, to have you on the program. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good one.
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Indeed. Let's have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That's my team of Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim, and welcome back. And did you miss me? Well, of course. That was the right answer. Thank you to Brad Beck, who hosted the show on Friday, and thank you to Alan Thomas, who hosted the show on Monday. I was out of town, and it's great to be back. So much is going on. I walked in and I said to Joe, it is official. Colorado is crazyville. It is moving towards communism here. And if we don't think that elections matter, that is where the battle is, my friends, is these elections. And that's why the work that we have done with the Colorado 2024 Election Project, getting those two lawsuits into place, and then with what Trump is going to be doing regarding elections, this is all so important. And then many of you have reached out and committed to what we're doing with Holly Kaysen to help her raise money for their lawsuit. And text me at 720-605-0647. You all are so generous. And I will be getting back with all of you on Thursday. I did the show. And then I had to rush to get out of town. And then I did something crazy, my friends. I left without my computer. And I think it was maybe God's way of making me take a little bit of time off. And so I was basically trying to do things on my phone. And again, thank you to Joe and to Brad and Alan and all the guests for making everything happen. So many of you texted me at 720-605-0647 with your commitments for this lawsuit with Holly Kaysen. And what this is, is Holly Kaysen was one of the early founders, I think, of USEIP, the U.S. Election Integrity Plan. And Sean Smith became involved with it, as well as Ashley Epp. And they just very quietly under the radar went, had volunteers that canvassed some key areas to determine if there was irregularities, we'll say, within the elections here in Colorado. And they found out some really important information. They were going to release their report, which they did. But the day before they were to release their report, The Mi Familia, let's see, the League of Women Voters and the NAACP sued them. And this was from the Colorado area and in the West area. And so they sued them saying voter intimidation, a variety of things. And ended up that it was found in the judge found in Holly and Ash and Sean's favor that this lawsuit shouldn't go through. So anyway, half a million dollars of legal fees, though, to make this happen. And they continued to have advice to settle, but they didn't settle. They thought it was too important. So they win the case, and then they think they've won legal fees. Well, there is a law, a Supreme Court, gosh, now I need to get all these details. I'm going to get them from Holly. I think it was, it's Christianburg, and it's either a Supreme Court. Decision, I'll get all that for you, which basically said that even if an NGO sues someone and the NGOs, the non-governmental organizations, lose, they don't have to pay legal fees. And this was very little known to everyone out there. So with that, Holly, Ash, and Sean and their attorneys want to appeal this. The price tag is $60,000 for the appeal. And this could go all the way to the Supreme Court to strike down this Christianberg decision. And so it's really, really important. And so they've got a give, send, go, which I can get you the details on that. Or if you want to pay by check, I can get you the details on that as well. So text me at 720-605-0647 so that we can get this money raised so that we can continue on with this. This is really, really important. So, again, this is these lawsuits are these three lawsuits that we have are very targeted. And these elections are are important with what we see down at the Colorado Statehouse. They're acting like they think they'll never lose another election. And it's because they think they'll never lose in another election because of all the crazy stuff that's going on here in Colorado. So this show comes to you because of sponsors and because of all of you. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it. And it's not compassionate to take other people's stuff. and take other people's stuff, in other words, we steal. So to steal their stuff, their rights, their property, their freedom, livelihood, opportunities, our children's childhoods are being stolen right here in Colorado, or lives. And the force can obviously be a weapon, but it's policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda by the World Economic Forum, the globalist elites, the United Nations, This legislature, this governor, land use code, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, the list has gone on and on, and we need to reduce that list. And so that's why we speak truth and clarity into all that is going on here. I wanted to say thank you to Hooters Restaurants for their sponsorship of the show. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs, and great specials for lunch and for happy hour. So be sure and check all that out. Our word of the day, I chose the word tenacious. 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Oh, Dave Evans, also great weighing in yesterday on the resolution that was proposed in the House to get rid of TABOR, our Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights, which That was put in place to protect us and these folks. And it's people on both sides of the aisle. And Paula Beard and Ray Beard, all these people. Be sure and say thank you to them when you see them out there at these different meetings and at the grocery store. Check out the website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You'll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we are really working on getting your brain around these issues. 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The federal government is implementing the President's Department of Government Efficiency Cost Efficiency Initiative, and Coloradans may believe that our Democrat-led state legislature will surely cut back on bills with fiscal impact, but that would be an incorrect assumption. They just tweaked the fiscal note. And my understanding is... that on the resolution to get rid of TABOR that there is no fiscal note at this particular point in time. So Senate Bill 25-183, coverage for pregnancy-related services. Basically, this should be renamed taxpayer-funded abortion coverage. These people are just focused on abortion. Let's see. House Bill 003, which is the semi-atomic firearms, rapid-fire devices, that's the magazine bill. That is on the governor's desk. He needs to veto that. And then, of course, this 1312, which is taking away parental rights rights. on our children and making it discriminatory to say anything if you have a different opinion on transgenderism. 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SPEAKER 12 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it is Tuesday, so pleased to have on the line with me Kevin Lundberg. He is the author of the Lundberg Report, which you can find at KevinLundberg.com. He is a former state senator here in Colorado and really has his finger on the pulse on what's happening down at the statehouse. Kevin Lundberg, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, Kim, thank you. It's glad to be with you always.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and I took a couple of days off. I was out on Friday and yesterday and was watching from afar. It is official, I think. Colorado is now crazyville as we're watching what's happening down at the statehouse.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, more than crazy. It's absolutely absurd and Maybe we'll get into that a little bit. The session they held on Sunday I thought was completely out of line with how they conducted the legislative process. Yeah, the bills are radical, and that's the real effect of the legislature, but the process has been just completely corrupted. And... I'm really beside myself on trying to describe how disgusted I am with what they did on Sunday.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, so what happened exactly?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, let's start with they called a session for 9 o'clock in the morning on a Sunday morning. I have never, ever seen the legislature do that. I've seen them in special sessions, maybe have a Sunday afternoon session, or once in COVID they did a committee meeting on a Sunday afternoon. But anyway, that's the first step. And by the way, one of the representatives couldn't attend because he's a pastor, and he has a pulpit to fill on Sunday morning, and I understand he did. So that's the first part. The second part is why they did it, and that is because they are ramming through some transgender bills that I think are complete violations of the First Amendment's freedom of speech because it requires everyone to play the pronoun game if they're in a place of public accommodation, which is deeply troubling to me, and it also threatens the custody of children if the parent doesn't go along with all the gender nonsense. And then there were a couple of other bills they considered that were abortion bills. So that's all they had on the table were abortion bills. And transgender, and they put it on a Sunday morning. I think it was obvious that this is pure evil. I don't know how else to put it. But now, what did they do when they did that? This was for a third reading of these bills, which they could have conducted on Monday, frankly, and it would have put them back one day in their process. But they didn't allow any debate. on any of the bills. They invoked a rule called Rule 16, which allows them to call the question on third-routing debate, which then there's an immediate vote on, shall we vote on this immediately, with no debate. And that's what they did. They stripped any discussion. And I want to tell you, having spent many years down in the legislature, if it's a super bad bill that you ARE GOING TO OPPOSE, YOU RESERVE MUCH OF YOUR COMMENTS FOR THE FORMAL VOTE, WHICH IS THIRD READING, AND EACH LEGISLATOR IS AFFORDED BY RULE 10 MINUTES TO GET UP IN THE HOUSE AND DESCRIBE WHAT THEIR CONCERNS OR THEIR ENCOURAGEMENTS ARE FOR THE BILL. BUT THEY CUT IT ALL OFF. AND THIS WAS JUST AN EXERCISE IN ARROGANCE. on the part of the leadership. And why they did it that way, I really don't know. Except maybe it's this. Maybe they don't want to hear the truth. Because when it comes to these bills, the truth is just the polar opposite of what they're doing. And that's my opinion. I recognize. And that, if I were a representative down there, I should have been afforded my opinion to be stated publicly for the record so that it, because that's what the process is. It's bringing every diverse perspective from the state through our representatives. It's called a Republican form of government. That's what it's all about. And here's the irony of ironies. is at the same time this body is calling for a challenge to the taxpayers' bill of rights because they claim it isn't a Republican form of government because the people also reserve the right to make laws. Now, that's another subject which we probably ought to get into as well, but isn't it curious that they refuse the representatives from even contributing to the debate and discussion on these very serious bills that they presented. I mean, I could go on and on. I'm a bit beside myself on how frustrated I am with the corrupt system in the Colorado legislature.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and elections matter. And we really have a lot of work to do to make sure that we get our elections to a point here in Colorado that they are honest and transparent. We've got irregularities in a number of different arenas, and we are working on that, Kevin Lundberg. We also need to make sure that we have candidates that understand the The proper role of government. And when talking about this, this is interesting. You mentioned this hiding behind this Republican form of government that they said that that's one of the reasons that they're bringing this lawsuit against Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights. Ultimately, what they want is to not have to ask the people about raising our taxes, incurring debt, or keeping excess revenue that they have collected. Yes. But the other thing is, so here, this is a direct affront upon, and air quotes, Republican form of government. But also, I was thinking about it, the positive that might come out of this whole lawsuit is shedding light on all of these bureaucracies and commissions. Because I don't think, and boards, I don't think that those are part of a Republican form of government. What do you think about that?
SPEAKER 17 :
You bring up an excellent point. And actually, yeah, a lot of people are very concerned that the legislature is wanting to sue over this point. And maybe we should back up a little bit and explain, just so everybody's on the same page, that in Article 4 of the United States Constitution, it guarantees that every state shall have a small r Republican form of government, meaning a representative government, meaning that we elect our policymakers and and so you're quite right the way they have distributed the power now uh to to unelected officials uh is is in fact a violation of a republican form of government uh uh you know this this whole argument of taking this to the courts um was um was a pretty hot topic several years ago when i was in the legislature because a couple of uh or a few members of uh and they were they were on the other side of the aisle they were some democrats tried to sue over this issue but not as an official action of the legislature they couldn't because we held the majority in the senate we meaning the republicans and we were going to go there so they persisted and did this anyway and and and it was thrown out because they said we don't have standing okay now we've got a lawsuit where there is standing because the legislature the elected officials are saying hey tabor doesn't allow us to do our job well I think, as I say, I think you bring up a wonderful point that, in fact, this legislature has, as just about every legislature in the entire country and Congress to a large degree, have... given away their authority to all these bureaucrats who now make these rules that just drive our lives so many ways, in so many ways downward. But yeah, we didn't elect them. The legislature gave away that right a long time ago. And let's go back to the actual lawsuit that which is challenging the authority of the Taxpayer's Bill of Rights. But that flies in the face of the Colorado Constitution, wherein Article 5 that establishes the legislature, it states very clearly, but we the people reserve the right to make laws independent of the legislature. So that was established in our Colorado Constitution from the beginning, and it was never questioned before. as a challenge to a Republican form of government because it simply states the clear and obvious fact that the people who send those representatives have reserved this authority to make the laws directly when they see it appropriate. And that's through the initiative process.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, Kevin Lumberg, we're going to continue this discussion regarding this lawsuit against Tabor, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights. And it's important that people understand that what this lawsuit is, is it would say, hey, people of Colorado, the legislature, the Colorado government wants to, A, be able to raise your taxes without your permission. wants to incur debt that you have to pay off without your permission, and they want to keep all the excess revenue that they collect from you, from you, the hardworking Coloradan, the people of Colorado. That's the bottom line, wouldn't you say, Kevin?
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, yeah. Yeah, and it also brings up the question of what about all the other initiatives that have changed the Colorado Constitution and the laws in the state of Colorado specifically? You know, I mean, it's an absurd, pathetic attempt to go against the people of Colorado, really. But, yeah, maybe there is a silver lining if we can get some of these other issues on the table and get the bureaucracy out of the way. Be aware also that at the federal level, the Supreme Court decided that all of the bureaucratic authority that is – or not all, but much of the bureaucratic authority that has been deferred to – non-elected officials making law. It's called the Chevron decision. 40 years ago, that was established that bureaucracies can take a great deal of latitude in deciding how the laws are implemented. But the court threw it out and said, if Congress doesn't specifically authorize it, then it can't happen.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, Kevin, I've got several things. This could be actually very exciting. So let's see if there might be some lemonade in this lemon here. We're going to continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg. And Colorado, my friends, we are at the tip of the spear, which is scary and it's exciting. And that's why we have to get our brains around these issues. It happens because of our sponsors. And for everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That's Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something's a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And on the 16th of April, which is right around the corner, I'm going to be down at the Center for American Values emceeing a great event on one of their On Values presentations. It will be Norma Donlon presenting. And she is the widow of Roger Donlon, who was the Medal of Honor recipient. I think the first medal that was awarded to a Vietnam, somebody that fought in the Vietnam War. And we'd love to have you join us. It doesn't cost anything, but you do need to RSVP, and that's down in Pueblo on the 16th. And more information, go to AmericanValueCenter.org. That's AmericanValueCenter.org. Okay, Kevin Lundberg, you have my wheels really turning right now on this potential opportunity. lawsuit on uh tabor to get rid of tabor by um this resolution down at the state house now first of all a resolution why did they do this as a resolution a house resolution instead of a a piece of legislation well that's because uh it's uh
SPEAKER 17 :
It's not creating law. It's creating a directive. And I believe I haven't studied this specific one that carefully. So I believe, though, that that it's directing the attorney general to engage in this lawsuit. I think I know I could be wrong on that because actually it might be suing the state of Colorado. because it's going after part of the Colorado Constitution, and the attorney general might be obligated to defend the state. So maybe the legislature is hiring their own attorneys, but it's basically to file a lawsuit, and it would be in federal court, because there's no way in state court that the... THE COLORADO STATE SUPREME COURT COULD ACTUALLY OVERTURN THE COLORADO CONSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO DEFEND THE COLORADO CONSTITUTION EVEN AS ALL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE, BY THE WAY. YEAH, INTERESTING. THIS ONE JUST FILLED WITH SO MUCH ABSURDITY AGAIN. BUT, HEY, HERE'S THEIR BOTTOM LINE, AND THAT IS THEY WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY. and they don't want to be restricted by anything the people of Colorado put in front of them as an obstacle to that. Anyway, it's not a bill because it doesn't put a statute in place, and that's what a bill does. It's a directive. There are other things. Sometimes if the legislature has a question to pose to the Colorado Supreme Court, it's called an interrogatory. And that's done through a resolution. And I believe it started in the House, so it's an HJR, House Joint Resolution, meaning it also goes to the Senate, and they decide, and then it goes on to wherever it's intended to go.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. So first thing, as you were mentioning this, there are those on the left that have said that capitalism is just a whole bunch of greedy people wanting to keep, or I guess they use the word greed. I'll just put it that way. What could be more greedy than government that wants to raise your taxes, incur debt, and keep all of the excess revenue, that they've collected. What could be more greedy than that, I ask you? And they can do it via force. That's one of the things about capitalism is it is, true capitalism is free exchange between two different parties. Now, cronyism is where business and government get in bed with each other and they use that power and force to push their agenda. But what could be more greedy than to use force to levy taxes, incur debt, And keep excess revenue. I think that is the epitome of greed.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, well, and it's, you know, choosing somebody else's money for their own purposes, of course. And, you know, remember that the legislature has been operating under the Taxpayer's Bill of Rights. I think they've been carving away at it in other ways, too. But over 30 years ago, it was established that So it's not like this brand-new idea popped up and they said, hey, we can't manage this. No, it's because they've spent too much money. And that's on top of the fact that the legislature has set up alternatives to Tabor. Tabor doesn't shut down government. Tabor puts – it was designed to put specific limits on the growth of government. It doesn't say you can spend less. It says – No, you can't grow any faster in the general fund than inflation plus population growth, which should seem like reasonable limitations. Yes, it does put a bit of a clamp on government because it doesn't take into account the fact that the economy can grow beyond inflation. through productivity beyond what the population and the inflation is. But it says government shouldn't become more – shouldn't be allowed to expand in a greater fashion than these two reasonable limits. Now, they've gone around it with all of their fees and all their enterprises, which don't require that because – because fees are supposed to be a very special category. So, you know, I think if they should be challenged in any way, they should be challenged on the fact that their fees are really taxes and that they've grown too fast. And, of course, then they had that timeout that was created back when Bill Owens was governor, actually, and I fought that greatly. But they allowed this cap... that's created by the limitation from population and inflation. They allowed that cap to just float up for five years and then reset it. And that actually made it grow faster because of that resetting in a whole lot of ways. So they have violated Tabor the opposite direction all the time. And now they claim they can't live within the constraints of what the people have said you need to do.
SPEAKER 12 :
And to your point, it's been Republicans and Democrats. So that was under the Bill Owens administration. That's important to understand. Okay, I've got, I think this is going to be out there, Kevin Lundberg. Well, go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
Let me clarify one thing, though. When they said it was a bipartisan effort, that's because the governor got behind it. And at that time, my state senator got behind it, Steve Johnson. It was barely bipartisan, and that was a distraction because the vast majority of Republicans were still opposed to it. But, yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and to that point, as I watch this legislation right now down at the statehouse, I see Republicans putting their name on things that they have no business putting their names on. And it's like, keep your names off of these pieces of bad legislation and don't sponsor these pieces of bad legislation, which are not the proper role of government. But that's a... That's a different subject. OK, I find this really interesting. OK, they're going to sue. They want to sue to get rid of Tabor because they say, my understanding is the guys is that it's not a Republican form of government. Now, one of the things that we've been talking about where we're frustrated that it looked like initially that Colorado would be using Tabor. the people's money to sue the people so the government could keep more of the people's money. Apparently that is something that is resonating out there and so now I've heard rumblings that they may, the legislators that want to sue the people of Colorado, that they may have some private entities come up to fund the lawsuit. That's going to be interesting to watch. But you brought up something. If if they were successful in saying that Tabor was not a Republican form of government, then does that mean, as you alluded to, does that mean that all the stuff that was passed via the initiative process doesn't hold up? So that would mean that the open primary might go away, right? Or what about all of these people that are legislators that have been appointed? Well, that's not a Republican form of government as well. This could open up all kinds of things here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, it could, but it really points out the absurdity of the claim in the first place. And I think we ought to discuss these and note that if you think people can't do this, then people shouldn't have done that. It wouldn't automatically take all those things away, but it would weaken the case against them staying, for sure. But, you know, I want to get back to reality because I think we're talking about speculation on things of what would happen if this were really so. Right, okay. It isn't so. Tabor was a... a duly initiated change to the Colorado Constitution that does not violate Article 4 in the U.S. Constitution. Again, if anybody wants a little bit of a lesson on this, go back and read the Colorado Constitution's Establishment of the Legislature, Article 5, Just read the first few paragraphs, and it becomes crystal clear that Tabor is a legitimate, or let's say the initiative process, therefore Tabor, is a well-established principle of the governance that is placed within the state of Colorado for its government, you know, And they're so clear. They spent a long time describing anything but the Senate and the House because they first wanted to establish that we, the people, still reserve this right to initiate laws and to challenge laws through the initiative process. So, you know, it just doesn't make sense at all. It would be a bat crazy judge. And, of course, we've seen a few of those make some rulings on what Trump can and can't do. But ultimately, I have confidence that the current United States Supreme Court would look at this and say, go get a life, you know, to the Colorado legislature. Stop bothering us with such stupid speculations that make no sense whatsoever. And so that's where I would really place this lawsuit attempt at. And I think, again, the current leadership, in the legislature, run by the Democrats, have lost all sense of reality. And this is just one more example of that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and we're going to continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg. This did come in on the text line. Thank you. It says, if our Colorado elected officials are obligated to defend the Colorado Constitution, we need to remember to use the word representatives. That's such a challenge. So let's start over. If our Colorado elected representatives are obligated to defend the Colorado Constitution, aren't they tenaciously—well done on the word of the day— abdicating their lawful duty, therefore disqualifying themselves. We'll leave that hanging out there. These are important discussions. And we'll talk with John Bozen in the next hour. But if you've been injured, reach out to Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That's KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation. Their website is USMCMemorialFoundation.org. Be sure and buy a brick. to honor your loved one's military service, and that will be on one of their pathways of service, and you'll get a beautiful certificate, great for Mother's Day or Father's Day. And then also May 15th, they're having their second annual golf tournament out at the Ridge in Castle Pines North. So go ahead and get signed up now so that you're assured of a spot, and that is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Talking with former State Senator Kevin Lundberg, he's the author of the Lundberg Report. We'd recommend that you check out that every weekend. I think he writes that on Saturdays. Kevin Lundberg, we're talking about the potential lawsuit regarding Tabor, Colorado's taxpayers' bill of rights. It was passed via the initiative process here in Colorado. The initiative process, it's an important process, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. It is the safety valve that the people possess if their legislature is not doing the right things. And we opened the program today, at least my section of your program here, talking about what the legislature did on Sunday morning. Well, Sunday afternoon... at a conference called the Rocky Mountains Summit, which looks into the whole transgender grooming and medicalization of minors. It was announced that Protect Kids Colorado has three new initiatives that we are launching for this year, and we actually filed them with the with the, what is it, you file it with the legislature initially yesterday.
SPEAKER 12 :
The title board, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, yes, through the title board, you're right. But first process is you go to the ledge council people and they talk to you about it and then you're scheduled to meet with the title board, et cetera. But yeah, right. We initiated those steps to TO CARRY PETITIONS CONCERNING THE TRANSGENDER ISSUE. WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE BECAUSE THE INITIATIVE PROCESS IS ALIVE AND WELL AND IT'S FUNCTIONING VERY WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION THAT TO CHALLENGE TABOR ON THE BASIS OF THE LEGISLATURE DIDN'T COME UP WITH IT IS JUST PATENTLY ABSURD. And I'm really excited about these initiatives because I think we have a great prospect for being very successful this year. We kind of learned the ropes last year, you might say, on a couple of issues. But these are, just to tell you, we rolled them out, unveiled them on Sunday afternoon at that conference. One is going after the preventing men and women's sports again. And then one is a little bit different, but a very deep problem that we have, and that is the sexual exploitation of minors through human trafficking. And so this is an issue that really resonates with the people of Colorado, too. And then finally, it's the medicalization... the surgeries that are conducted on kids to supposedly change their gender, but it's just a mutilation. It's a child abuse in hospitals, frankly, and that's got to stop.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and will that also include the pharmaceutical component? So there's both the surgery and the pharmaceutical component. So will both those be in that?
SPEAKER 17 :
Actually, no. And this is the reason why, is we were very, very careful in – YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, DOING SOME POLLING AND DETERMINING WHAT REALLY WORKS WELL. WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT INITIALLY WHAT WE NEED ARE ISSUES THAT RESONATE VERY CLEARLY WITH THE PEOPLE OF COLORADO. AND THE REAL POINT THAT MOST PEOPLE AGREE ON AUTOMATICALLY IS THESE SURGERIES HAVE TO STOP. blockers, yes, are bad also and do a great deal of damage, much more than they want to let you know about. But nonetheless, we're taking the first bite at the apple on this one, on the area where we know we can make the most traction. Because the last thing you want to do is put everything in we want. Because here's one reality with initiatives. It comes up to a straight-up yes or no vote on the ballot. And it's really easy to convince somebody to vote no if they have any concerns anywhere as opposed to vote yes because, yeah, it's a better idea than not doing it. And so, you know, that's the logic on this. You can't change everything overnight all at once. And so we're going for the most probable outcome. and hopefully big wins, which will also really change the cultural discussion. And the other thing that I'm intrigued with is with all of the ridiculous nonsense that the legislature and probably the governor is going to sign these things, so that both of them are doing right to the exact opposite. I think this is going to change the political discussion for the overall election in Colorado in 2026. And understand, you can run an initiative in either year for the petition process, but the vote doesn't happen until the general election in 2026. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
And can people go to protectkidscolorado.org to get these petitions yet, or what does that look like?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, we filed for the title board process, which will take us a couple of months to get through. And so we're anticipating this summer that we'll go on that. But you mentioned the website, protectkidscolorado.org. And we just... totally revamped that yesterday as well.
SPEAKER 12 :
Looks great. It looks just great.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, everything is, you know, kind of being spruced up to really hit this in a very comprehensive fashion. And I think we are on the, well, I know that we are on the cutting edge of the political discussions, especially here in the state of Colorado. You know, most states, their legislatures are dealing with this, but not in Colorado. No, in Colorado, they're saying you cannot in a public place even use a pronoun according to somebody's biological sex. No, you've got to go along with their you know, with their perceived name. I mean, that's a bill right now, but it was passed out of the House on Sunday morning, and it's in the Senate's preview now, and I have every reason to believe that this Senate will pass it also, and this governor will most probably sign the thing, you know? I mean, he's signing, you know, we're hoping to see a veto or two out of him, but I If you can look at his past six years as the governor signing the bills, he just signs them. You know, it's a very rare thing when he doesn't go along with it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, Kevin Lumberg, we truly are at the tip of the spear. ProtectKidsColorado.org would be a great place to contribute there as well. And we'll talk with you again next week. I'm wondering if they're going to have a session on Easter morning. That would be their total affront upon the Christian faith, the fact that they had this session on Sunday and, of course, did all kinds of evil stuff. We've got about 40 seconds left. Your final thought.
SPEAKER 17 :
What? Well, we've got about a month left for the legislature, and bills are starting to fly fast. Last week, the Joint Budget Committee threw out about 75 orbital bills with their $44 billion budget. So maybe next week we can dig into that a little deeper.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, we'll have to do that. Kevin Lundberg, thank you for all your great work. And that website is KevinLundberg.com. We'll talk with Kevin next week. And our quote for the end of the show is from one of our CUT board members, our Colorado Union of Taxpayers board members, Mary Jansen. She said, tyrants do not know how to negotiate. They only know how to mandate. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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And so we'll talk with her about that. But we have these important discussions because of our sponsors. And so appreciate John Bozen and Bozen Law. If you have been injured, be sure and reach out to them. John Bozen, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. I'll have to use the word of the day here soon.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I would say that I could use it. John Bozen and Bozen Law is tenacious as they represent their clients in trying to get justice if something has happened.
SPEAKER 09 :
I would absolutely agree with that wholeheartedly, Kim. We are tenacious, all of the lawyers.
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And it's really important to have you on their side of the table, your client's side of the table. And I shared with you a few years ago, I was involved in a fender bender. And just a fender bender, I could feel that I really wasn't focused on what I needed to do. And so training is important. So let's talk about some of the basics if you've been involved in a car accident.
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Well, basics... First and foremost, if you're involved in a car accident, it's not your fault. You need to call the police. Sheriff, 911, you call and you have someone come out with authority that can make a determination of fault. And that is so important, Kim, because you and I have talked about this. Folks are mostly kind-hearted, and they know if the other side gets a ticket, their insurance is going to go up. But if they don't do that, if they don't call an authority, the police, sheriff's department, to come out and make a determination of fault, I've seen it over and over again through the years that I've practiced. And that person that caused the fault, they may change their story. And it's a really bad situation when they do. Sometimes I think it's an insurance company that talks with their insured, the at-fault driver, and convinces them that maybe they weren't at fault. I'm trying to give some benefit of doubt to the people that do this. But it's something you don't have to deal with. Your lawyer doesn't have to deal with. If you simply just call the police, let them come out, the officer will make a determination of fault, cite the other driver, and then liability is not an issue. Because if liability is an issue, it makes it very difficult sometimes to get folks compensated. So... Rule number one, call a police officer. Call the police. Have someone come out and make a determination of fault. Number two, and I won't go through all of them because you don't have 10 minutes for me, but number two is make sure that you're safe. Make sure that you don't inadvertently have a much worse situation by jumping out of your car, doing something other than just looking around, gather your wits. Make sure that if you are in a place where you can get out of your vehicle, you're not going to get hit by somebody. And I've seen that many times over the years, too. Wow. Get information. Document. If you're able, and this is a big if you're able, because a lot of folks injured in a car accident, they're injured, they can't get out of the car, or their wits are not about them. But if you are able and you're in a car accident, you want to gather information. Take some pictures. Exchange information with the other driver. If any witnesses have stopped to assist, ask them to provide their name, their phone number, or give them your phone number so they can call and you've got that contact information later. And then the most important thing, if you're not feeling right, if you believe, if anything is off at all, get to urgent care, get to emergency room, get checked out. The health of our listeners matters. Anyone involved in a car accident is more important than anything else. And you've got to listen to yourself. Again, anything feels off, get in, get checked out. There's things that can happen in an accident where you feel a little bit off that can turn into something incredibly serious and life-threatening if you don't get it checked out. And then we will throw in there, as soon as you are able, call my law firm at 303-999-9999. So you can talk with me. one of our other senior lawyers and get the advice to get on the right path to just your health and to have a full recovery and so that we can seek justice and get compensation for what happened that should not have happened.
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Well, that is really important. So several things, and there's others. But number one, you want to make sure that you can document the determination of fault. Make sure that you're safe if you're going to get out of your car. Gather information. And then get checked out by going to urgent care or the hospital. And then, of course, call Bowes & Law at 303-999-7000. Nine, nine, nine, nine. Those are five things that can certainly help set people up for success. It's the little things, as John Wooden said, these are little things that you can do if you're involved in a car accident to set yourself up for success. John Bozen.
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Thank you, Kim. Have a great rest of your show.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Yvonne had texted in to regarding Protect Kids Colorado. That website is protectkidscolorado.org. They're trying to get their volunteer list all ready so that once they get through this whole legislative council, title board, all of that, that the volunteers are ready to go out and get these signatures for these three ballot initiatives. And so go to protectkidscolorado.org and And hit the volunteer tab and sign up there. That would be just great. Susan Kochavar is on the line. She's a great sponsor of the show. She's an entrepreneur and owner of the 88 Drive-In Theater, the historic 88 Drive-In Theater, family-owned business. Susan Kochavar, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
How are you? Doing really well. Just looking at all the stuff going on, feeling actually encouraged by some things. And we're also getting ready to open the theater.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that was my first question. So what does that look like? And Susan, I don't go to very many movies. It's just I don't normally have time to do that. And I ended up going to the Minecraft movie this weekend. And I did have the popcorn there, but I can tell you the popcorn didn't hold a candle there. to the popcorn at 88 Drive-In Theater.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks, Kim. Well, last summer you got taught how to make it and served some. It was a lot of fun. It was hot that day, but it was fun.
SPEAKER 12 :
It was. And, yeah, I worked the popcorn machine, and it was warm. And the Barbie movie was showing then, and then also the Sound of Freedom. So what does the opening look like for 88 Drive-In Theater? Are you excited about the movies?
SPEAKER 16 :
Very excited. We'll be opening the first part of May. I don't have an exact date yet or a program set yet, but the pictures for the summer look fantastic. Actually, starting in about the end of May, clear through into June. you know, the fall and winter, I think that Hollywood is finally snapping back after, you know, all the loss of production through COVID and through strikes and things like that. So I think it's finally coming around. There's a lot, some better product. And we actually have some new movie film producers, Amazon, has a studio called A24, and they actually have some really cute pictures coming up, a lot of good kids' pictures. So I think it's going to be a really busy, great season.
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Okay, and May is right around the corner. I just can't even believe it. So we will stay tuned on that for when the 88 Drive-In Theater opens. And I have on my list of things to do to talk with you about trying to do something for John Eastman and his documentary as well. So we'll talk about that offline and get that going. I can't believe that we are into April like we are already. But Susan, I know you really keep your ear to the ground on so many things that are happening. And one of the things is these tariffs. And I've seen headlines that says it's going to basically gut the economy. There are people that are trying to scare everyday people. We've seen a lot of volatility in the market. And yet I've seen messages from Trump to say stay the course, don't get wobbly. What's your thoughts on these tariffs?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, quite a few things to say about the tariffs. And I think, first of all, to start by saying, I think Trump's doing the right thing. Tariffs are a tool. You know, you and I are both free market girls, and we've always heard, oh, tariffs are terrible. You know, it's not free market. But I think people forget that these other countries have levied huge tariffs against the United States. You know, Trump has talked for the better part of 40 years about tariffs, and they're a tool for him to use, I think. When he looked at all these tariff issues, he sees that our manufacturing is being pulled from the United States, which pulls jobs from the country, and it destabilizes our economy. We have people working and being able to earn money. So all these companies are going to OTHER COUNTRIES SETTING UP THEIR MANUFACTURING, AND THAT LEAVES THE U.S. MARKET TO JUST BE A CONSUMER OF ALL OF THESE PRODUCTS THAT ARE THEN MANUFACTURED IN OTHER COUNTRIES, AND THEY'RE ALSO TARIFFED. SO WHEN THEY COME BACK TO THE UNITED STATES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A COST THAT'S ADDED ON. SO HE SEES ALL THIS STUFF GOING ON, AND HE STARTS TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHY. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TAXES AND REGULATIONS. that have gone up astronomically in the United States. And I would argue that we have people in Congress and others, bureaucrats and others, who are compromised. They have set up their manufacturing companies in China and other countries, and it's in their best interest to make it harder to run a business in the United States so that you cannot compete with their company that has been set up in China, for example. You know, the taxes and regulations are so high, it's extremely hard to set up a manufacturing business here.
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Yeah, and Colorado, I just want to mention Colorado is, from an economic standpoint, we have gone down significantly on our potential for good economic results here in Colorado because of all of the taxes and fees and regulations and all the stuff happening down at the Colorado State House with this governor.
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Yes, and so what we then become is just what they like to term, oh, we're just going to become a service economy in the United States. Well, there's a few problems with that. You can't, you know, the service industry, those are generally good entry-level positions, and some people make money, but it doesn't produce enough to do more than, you know, have a car, have a place to live, and buy some groceries. It's not very sustainable. So you need that manufacturing. There's another aspect to not having the manufacturing in the United States, and that is national security. When you don't produce things like aluminum and steel and computer chips and pharmaceuticals, that doesn't leave you very safe. If China decides, well, you're not going to have any more computer chips, we're sunk. or a steel or any other thing, you know. So it's also a national security issue. And I think, you know, when we produce our own manufacturing, manufacture our own products here, it helps stabilize the world as well because you're less likely to have that sort of, you know, destabilization with, you know, China can take over the United States or, you know, they've just slowly been sucking the life out of us. And it's very hard to compete with businesses in China because they use slave labor. And that's another thing I think that has helped suck manufacturing out of the United States. And I think one of the things that Trump is working to do is to destabilize the Chinese government so that what Steve Bannon calls the Lao Bai Jing, which are the people of China, so that they can rise up and overthrow their communist government. There are so many aspects to these tariffs. It's an interesting issue.
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It is a really interesting issue on this. And as you mentioned, you and I are both free trade girls. But what we've realized, and we hadn't realized it, that there's a difference between Free, fair, honest, and transparent trade. And this trade that we've been involved in, these tariffs, these different countries have been charging us tariffs. You mentioned China using slave labor. If you use slave labor, then clearly you're not paying insurance benefits and all the things that happens with labor over here in the United States. And so it's not it's not free, fair and honest trade. And that's what I think Trump wants to get to. Now, interesting, as I've been trying to find these this different table, Trump had this table showing all of these different tariffs that these other countries were charging us. And it was very telling. And I think honest journalists would explain that. But this is so interesting. I was trying to find that table again, and I found from CNN Trump's reciprocal tariffs. And it has down here what he's saying he's going to charge the other countries in tariffs, but it doesn't have on there what they're charging us. Again, the American people, CNN is not shooting straight with you on all of this.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I think that's a very important point. I also don't think that people realize that at one point our federal government was funded completely on tariffs and there was no income tax. And I think that's another thing that Trump is trying to get back to so that he can, you know, free us of that massive burden. Not only is it, you know, expensive, but just a massive burden to try to comply with all of the 80,000 plus pages of IRS regulations. It's terrible. And those regulations, I think, are one of the reasons why people, they'll say, you know, corporations don't pay tax. Well, a corporation was something that was set up, it's just a construct by the IRS, right? And what happens to the corporations, the taxes are go through the corporation to the individuals who then pay tax on the money. So it's not really that corporations, that money doesn't get taxed. It does, but it gets taxed at the individual level. And so they've set up all of these weird constructs and it keeps people fighting, you know, like a class warfare sort of thing, which we should not have in this country.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, absolutely. So let's continue the discussion regarding these tariffs. I'm talking with Susan Kochovar, who is just, she reads and studies on a regular basis on these important issues. She's truly an entrepreneur. She's the owner of the 88 Drive-In Theater, and we'll continue the discussion. But for everything regarding residential real estate, you want to make sure that you have RE-MAX realtor Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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SPEAKER 12 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. and do check out the usmc memorial foundation website that's usmcmemorialfoundation.org while you're there you can do your mother's day or father's day shopping by buying a brick to honor your loved one's military service that will be on one of their pathways of service you'll get a beautiful certificate for that and then also if you're a golfer be sure and sign up for their second annual memorial golf tournament which will be may 15th out at the ridge in castle rock all that at usmcmemorialfoundation.org i'm talking with susan kochevar entrepreneur and owner of the 88 drive-in theater sponsor of the show and we're talking about trump's tariffs and susan this has just been a great little exercise for me as i'm trying to find This photo of Trump holding this – all these different – he had a poster of all these different countries, what they were charging on tariffs on our goods going into their countries. And then Trump was basically going to charge them half. And so I mentioned CNN had not indicated what they were charging us. And now I'm over on Newsweek and they have Trump holding that poster, but they have cut off all of the numbers there. They have each of the countries, but they've cut that off. Do you not find that crazy?
SPEAKER 16 :
That is really crazy. That's one of the things I've kind of said to some of the other free market folks I know that are unhappy about the tariff. I always tell them, you know, it seems to me if we levied the exact same tariff as another country, doesn't that then level the playing field? Isn't that then a free market?
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. And I'm going to take a picture of this. I may actually tweet this out. We'll see. So with that, OK, yeah, we're starting to try to do more tweeting here. So this was this is from Richard. And he said, after listening to Donald Trump yesterday, I came to the realization that his goal is to eliminate all tariffs around the world. So zero tariffs mean free, fair trade for everyone. and it would be the optimal outcome. Additionally, one more important point regarding what Trump said yesterday. He said we're going to have zero trade deficits with any country in the world, and this is huge. So that trade deficits, those two things are important. I know he said he wants to get rid of the income tax. If we get down to no tariffs, how could he eliminate the income tax? I don't know. How could that work?
SPEAKER 16 :
That's a good question. I'll have to noodle that because that's one thing he definitely wants to do is get rid of that income tax. And I think that's very important because, you know, we have these people that go into Congress and they're just spending money like crazy and oddly become more and more wealthy. It gives them something to buy and sell. And so I think cutting that income tax and cutting the amount of money that the federal government takes in is extremely important.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Okay. So we get rid of waste, fraud, and abuse. We lower spending. And if we could get rid of income tax, I can't tell you the number of people that I've talked with that have been doing their taxes. And just for example, helping with our Holly and Ash and Sean regarding their lawsuit. I've had people say, I'd like to give more, but I just had to pay my income tax. And so it's important to understand if people had more money in their pocket, we could do more things for ourselves, our families, our country. And so I think that's really important. What about, have you been watching this whole thing down at the Colorado State House and wanting to get rid of Tabor and all of the spending, a $44 billion budget down there? It's pretty bad here in Colorado right now, Susan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you know, they're operating at a deficit. A business can't do that. I don't know. The craziness is really off the charts. And I would want to ask all of those people, when do you start taking our money? At what point do you have enough when we have no money? Because it's getting extremely tough to operate a business in Colorado. And that means those jobs go away. So how much destruction is enough? there doesn't seem to be any stopping them. And you know, one point I wanted to make about the taxes, on April 15th, small business people, people that own businesses, are going to have to make their estimated tax payments. And after watching all of the money that Doge has found that was wasted, it's really hard to make those estimated payments starting in And, you know, it's just an estimate of the money that you're going to make this year. And in my case, I haven't made any money the first quarter. You know, it's just really sickening to see all this happen and to see all the waste both at the federal and state levels. I think people are getting to a point where they've had enough.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and so several things. That's why, first of all, a federal form of government, which is federalism, which is what we have here in America. And it took me a while to understand the word federalism versus statism. And statism is basically where the state, not the state of Colorado, but the state government controls, works to control everything. Federalism is our form of government where we have the federal government, but everything that can be taken care of at the state, the county, the local level, we need to start at the local level and then move up from there. What I see to try to undercut Trump is really at the local level, the county level, many of these city councils and county commission offices are held by radical activist Democrats or those that are pushing the radical activist Democrat platform. And part of that's because we haven't truly been paying attention to what's been happening at the local level. And I'll throw in school boards and special districts as well as Susan Kochabar.
SPEAKER 16 :
One hundred percent. And there are so many of them and they are so busy, you know, with meetings and other things. the average person can't keep up when you're trying to work, keep your head above water, you know, and enjoy some of your life. You cannot attend all these boards, meetings, commissions, you know, go down and testify at the Capitol, which they've made extremely difficult. It's impossible to even keep up. We have just way too much government and all of these boards and commissions, you know, um, We have seen through things like Agenda 2020, which people at one point thought was just a conspiracy theory. It put together a network of people who move into the communities and start taking over boards and commissions and city councils and other things and pushing a really crazy agenda. They know people can't watch all that stuff and keep up, and that's how they get it through. And we're going to have to get it stopped.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and so elections truly, truly matter. And that is why I will mention our Colorado 2024 election project. Thank you to all of you who supported that. We've got those lawsuits in place. And the basis of those lawsuits are, one, over here with United Sovereign Americans, that Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards. as set forth by Congress for our elections. And elections, our Constitution really puts the conduct of our elections in our states and our local government. But Congress has said, you've got to hit some minimum standards. And it's a civil rights issue because there were some civil rights infractions, I would say, on elections. on elections run by states and counties and local elections and trying to mess around with civil rights. And Congress says, no, you got to make sure you hit these minimum standards. So that's our first lawsuit. The other lawsuit is that our voter rolls are not clean. And so those two things are really important. We're going to have some some really important work here in 2025, 2026 as well. And Susan Kochevar, I really think that this next election will be so telling for our country because Trump certainly has his agenda. And we can see that there are those PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats and interested parties that want to stop his agenda, which from what I can see, he's trying to stay within the Constitution, reclaim our country. And they want to stop him from doing that. And so one of the ways they'll do that is to try to take the senatorial and congressional seats in this next election and control the House and Senate, as well as these down-ballot races as well, Susan.
SPEAKER 16 :
100%, those lawsuits and straightening out our elections are essential. In my view, that's the only way we are going to be able to effectively take this back. If there's one thing that people can do, focus their attention, that's where I would focus on those lawsuits and demanding that our elections go to single day, paper ballot, voter ID. You know, the left knows that After a while, it's going to become very obvious that our economy is declining, prices are rising, people can't make it anymore. So people will start to vote to get rid of these policies. That's why it's so important for them to control the elections now, because people have had enough. And those elections happen, and the crazies get voted in, and we're done. So I think the elections are the place to focus your attention.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that is one of the big places that we are focusing here on the Kim Munson Show. So I'm going to continue the discussion with Susan Kochevar. We would love to hear from you as well. 303-477-5600. The text line is 720-605-0647. And these are important discussions. And for everything regarding mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That's Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And be sure and check out the website for the Center for American Values. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. The center is nonpartisan. It's nonpolitical. It focuses on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And they will be hosting a great On Values presentation on patriotism. The 16th of April, I'll be down there emceeing the event, so be sure and join me. Norma Donlon will be presenting. She's the widow of Roger Donlon, Medal of Honor recipient. So check all that out at AmericanValueCenter.org. That's AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is Susan Kochevar. She is the CEO. Excuse me, she is the entrepreneur and owner, I guess you're the CEO as well, of the historic 88 Drive-In Theater, Susan. And we've got Ron on the line. Ron, what is on your radar?
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, Kim. About the illegitimate government here in Colorado is what they're doing is they're doing the exact same thing they're doing to California. Yeah. So what the legislation here has to do is they have to write 100 bills that goes completely against what they want and let them go, and then they have to debate it. And you know they don't want to stay in office or stay there and debate it. Yes. So use what they're doing to us against them and do the exact same thing. Because I heard... The guy that you had, I think his name was Andy, that filled in for you. Oh, Alan? Alan, yeah. And he said that they didn't want to stay there. They didn't want to spend the time. So make them spend the time. Make them go in there and stay there over the weekends and everything, and they'll stop doing to them, to us, what we'll do to them. So I think that that's what would alleviate that.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, it's an interesting strategy. Thank you, Ron, for bringing that up. And I'm not quite sure. My understanding, again, we should ask Kevin Lundberg or one of our representatives, that each bill that is introduced does need to go through committee, I think. But this shutting down debate... has been a real problem. And I'm going to be interested to see what, if they call for a session on Easter, that would really be a direct affront. The fact that they called for the transgender and abortion bills on a Sunday morning, I think was not by accident. Ron, thank you so much for that call. And Susan Kochevar, I think it really is amazing, and not in a good way, that they had this special session regarding these terrible bills on a Sunday morning.
SPEAKER 16 :
It is. I believe they actually did that once last year, too, did they not? And I know at one point last year, the Mighty 18 completely walked out because they weren't going to be able to make a difference, and they wouldn't let them – you know, debate the bill or anything else. So it didn't matter.
SPEAKER 12 :
Am I remembering that correctly? I think you are remembering that correctly. And to that point, Ramey Johnson, who is a friend of mine, she's a former state legislator, former city councilwoman in Lakewood, And also she's joined the CUP board, our Colorado Union of Taxpayers board. She had an excellent idea. She said that what should happen is as they walk out, and I think they should probably walk out again, but for a very important photo op is to put tape over their, the Republicans put tape over their mouths because it's showing that their freedom of speech is being taken away. And walk out. I think that that would be a very powerful photo op. And I hope that maybe they're listening and they will use Ramey Johnson's idea on that because voices are being stifled. And I think that's a visual that the people of Colorado need to see.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree with the tagline, you elected us to be your voice and you're being silenced because they're really silencing the people that the elected represent. The citizens who elected them are being silenced. It's horrible.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is really, really horrible. So two other things that I wanted to just toss out for you, Susan Kochavar, is Jenna Griswold, current secretary of state, has announced that she is running for attorney general because Phil Weiser, attorney general on the Democrat side, has announced that he's going to run for governor. Now, my understanding regarding Jenna Griswold, as we've been going through this whole thing, is that she is really more of a figurehead. She's not been the one that's really been running things over at the Secretary of State's office. That, in fact, Christopher Beal, the Deputy Secretary of State, has really been the one that's been running everything. But maybe because of our lawsuits, the pressure that's been put on him, he's resigned. And not quite sure where he's going, but they have helicoptered in. Andrew Klein from the powerful Democrat law firm Perkins Coie as the deputy secretary of state here in Colorado. So we're playing with the big boys now here, my friends. And we do have our two lawsuits out there. I don't know of – I think – I don't know of any other, I don't know that the, I just don't know of any other real lawsuits out there, Susan Kochavar. And then we've got this lawsuit that we want to help Holly Kaysen and Sean Smith and Ash Epp with. And if you'd like to help us with that, text me at 720-605-0647 and I'll get the details to you. But these lawsuits that we have gotten in place are super, super important. And we're going to be playing with the big boys on this, Susan Kochavar.
SPEAKER 16 :
We are, and that makes me think we might be making some inroads. You know, it's really always hard to see because the other side pretends to be bigger than they are, but it makes me think their bench may not be that deep. And that does look to me like they're bringing in the big guns. And I think the lawsuits are the way to stop them.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think so, too. Now, question coming in from Mary. Is the deputy secretary of state elected? I do not think so. I think that they are appointed. We'll have to check on that and make sure on that. But again, this goes back to unelecteds that are running things instead of the electeds. And Jenna Griswold. And to her credit, if you are a Democrat, radical Democrat. You're going to like her because she has really taken the radical activist extremist party line. And so you're going to like her if that's what you want. But my understanding is she's the figurehead, and there really are those behind her that's running the show, Susan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I think that's true, and I think that your texture makes a very excellent point. That is a very good thing to look into. Is the Deputy Secretary of State appointed? That's an important question.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, we'll check that out. Maybe Joe can do a quick search on that. Is the Colorado Deputy Secretary of State elected or appointed? Next thing, Susan, and this – oh, I'm trying to get this up. But Laura Loomer had come out and done a really important piece about the potential conflicts of interest with this Judge Boesberg. And this is from your news, Know Everything. And Boesberg is the judge that has said that we need to bring these – these gang members back after being deported, which I think most everybody in America is thinking that's not a good idea, Susan.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I don't think they're in touch with Main Street. I mean, we certainly see how that all plays out on the streets of Denver and surrounding communities. Not well.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, they're very tone deaf, aren't they? They are. So this is from your news. What's that? The deputies? You know what? Let's let's recheck on that. The secretary of state is. So we're going to check on that. This is from your news. Let me see how much time I have. Says District Judge James Boesberg. Again, this is from Laura Loomer, who's currently threatening to hold the Trump administration officials in contempt over their refusal to reverse deportation orders for violent illegal aliens, is now facing serious conflict of interest allegations uncovered by investigative reporter Laura Loomer. Judge Boasberg recently issued a temporary restraining order against the use of the Alien Enemies Act. But she goes on to say she revealed that Boasberg's brother, Tom Boasberg, formerly employed Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals DACA recipients as teachers during his tenure as superintendent assistant. Denver Public Schools. Tom Boesberg now serves as superintendent of the Singapore American School, which is being promoted by the U.S. State Department despite his prior policies involving undocumented immigrants. Everything seems like it leads back to Colorado. Susan Kochavar, we've got a couple of minutes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I think that it does seem that way. Of course, we have a gang of four here who put together the blueprint, and this is probably part of it. Now, you see that the Supreme Court stepped in yesterday and kind of KO'd Judge Boasberg with these deportations so Trump can continue. Laura Loomer also reported, and some others, how Justice Roberts seems to be compromised as well. So I'm wondering if they're not getting enough pressure on Justice Roberts to start to actually get these unconstitutional things fixed.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. And it really is against our Constitution to have these lower level judges trying to thwart what's happening over on the executive branch of government. So from what I can see, Susan, we've got about 30 seconds left. Trump is trying to stay within the confines of the Constitution. And your final thought?
SPEAKER 16 :
Hang tough, like the president asks. He's doing the right things. And stay focused on those lawsuits.
SPEAKER 12 :
We will do that. And thank you to all of you that have helped with that. And so we've got this other one. Text me at 720-605-0647 because this is the one to stop the NGO lawfare and really important on that as well. And our quote for the end of the show, I went to Mary Jansen, and Mary is one of our – Cut board members also. She's a former city councilwoman in Lakewood as well. So she's seen how the sausage is made. And she had this very important quote as we're looking at what happened down at the statehouse just, I guess, two days ago, Sunday. So she said, tyrants do not know how to negotiate. They only know how to mandate. And so my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Talking about freedom Talking about freedom I will fight
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This week's America's Veteran Stories takes you on a journey of bravery and healing through the voices of Vietnam veterans, guided by Colonel Robert Fisher. With discussions spanning battles such as the Tet Offensive to the significance of treaties which drew the U.S. into Southeast Asian conflicts, listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of the era. Discover the commitment to preserving these narratives in 'Echoes of Our War', ensuring future generations grasp the full scope of the sacrifices made. Kim Munson highlights not only the powerful stories of valor but also crucial initiatives like the hyperbaric treatment helping veterans today.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
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World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Afghanistan, and our other wars and conflicts. America's fighting men and women strapped on their boots and picked up their guns to fight tyranny and stand for liberty. We must never forget them. Welcome to America's Veteran Stories with Kim Munson. These stories will touch your heart, inspire you, and give you courage. We stand on the shoulders of giants. Here's Kim Munson.
SPEAKER 09 :
Welcome to America's Veteran Stories with Kim Munson. Be sure and check out our website. That is AmericasVeteranStories.com. Thank you so much for joining us. These shows are so important. This basically precipitated from a trip that I took in 2016 with a group that accompanied four D-Day veterans back to Normandy, France for the anniversary, the 72nd anniversary of the Allies' D-Day landings. to ultimately free Western Europe, free Europe from Hitler and his evil regime of Nazism, and came back, realized that each person's, each individual story is unique. They might be right next to each other, and each story is unique. They need to be told. So in a way, this is checking out our ancestry of our country, our history of our country. And in studio with me is Paula Sarles. She is a friend. She is also a hero and a patriot. She's a Vietnam-era Marine veteran. Her husband, well, she's a Gold Star wife, so her husband passed on basically from Would you say it's injuries? Agent Orange. Yeah, Agent Orange. And it's on your heart to remodel and refurbish the Marine Memorial out here in Golden, which is the largest one west of the Mississippi, correct?
SPEAKER 10 :
It's the only one dedicated by a commandant of the Marine Corps. It is the largest Marine-type memorial west of the Mississippi.
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And you're raising money for this, and we've talked about this. People can buy a brick to honor one of the family member or a loved one or a friend.
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And in any service, there's a walkway for all services, too.
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But now we're doing something really special. We're going to be doing probably five shows regarding the Vietnam veterans that are noted in this book, Echoes of Our War. And what's going to happen with that, Paula?
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Well, the proceeds from this book have been dedicated to half of them to the Memorial Foundation and half of them to the Hyperbaric Chamber. And so what we're doing for this series is whoever donates the most money will get a hardback copy of the book signed by all of the authors, plus Kim.
SPEAKER 09 :
We just added that one in, huh?
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Yeah, just added that in. And... That's a collector's item because only 100 of these hardback copies were printed. So it'll be a collector's item, and it's a great gift. So we encourage people to donate at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And note in the donation block, book, so we know that you're participating in this promotion.
SPEAKER 09 :
And we need to have these books in our Freedom Library, most important, for sure. So on the line with us is the author, and that is Colonel Robert Fisher, United States Marine Corps, retired. Colonel Fisher, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thank you, Kim. I'm not the author, Kim. I'm the sponsor and supporter of the book. and I'll explain how that happened.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Thank you for correcting me. We like to get it right, Colonel Fisher, so you put this thing together. Tell us about it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. You know that Brady and I have been on your show before, and we spoke about Cooper's Troopers, which is a group we started. Well, I started with just two members back in 1997 with Ed Cooper, and it turned out to be 165 members. Of that 165 members, half were in Fort Logan, But the 10 veterans who are writing in the book, their chapters are all Cooper's Troopers. And Paula also is a member of this group. It began with, I would say, in February of 2017, I was working on my Kovan book. It's a book about my advisor experience and all. And it dawned on me that I had been on the Ho Chi Minh Trail 50 years earlier, back in that February, and I began to discuss the idea for another book with Dan Benter, who's an exceptional supporter of my book. What I was thinking about is I wanted to write something, and originally I called it Echoes of My War, and there would have been a couple of other veterans from the Coopers in that book at that time. It turns out, in discussing with Dan, and then all of a sudden, Grady, thank God, you know my right arm, my full support, he's got my back all the time. Those two gentlemen, plus Mark Hardcastle, literally were the anchors of the book. They did all the legwork, all the coordination, all the spacing, all the whatever. The whole thing of the book, as the book comes into being, What I contributed was the original title, Echoes of My War, because at that time I had already written three chapters about Vietnam, and I'll just give you a little background briefly. I was in Vietnam, and almost all the countries in Southeast Asia from 1961 to 1962. I was captain of the Marines on the 73rd Flagship. My admiral lived there because we had We had the emerging wars of liberation supported by the Chinese and Russians. And I got firsthand looked by going into ports of Saigon in Thailand and you name it in the Southeast Asian countries, wherever there's a port. So the thought came to me, why don't I write a book about that? And those three chapters were the beginnings, starting with that time of 6162. As it evolved, it began to dawn on me that, Whoops, I got six veterans now. Now I got seven. And all of a sudden, I have 10. And it became obvious to me that it was their book. And we changed the title to Echoes of Our War. And I became the advocate and sponsor for the book.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wow.
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So how did you then start? So you now have 10 veterans, and actually I highly recommend that people get the book because each of these stories is so important. So did you reach out and interview each of them, or how did you come up with these chapters?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, the chapters had begun where I'd ask Dan Gunther, Brady, and – Who else did I get in? Mark Hardcastle. Oh. No, Mark was the editor. Mark is an exceptional editor. I don't know if anyone knows the background. Mark's part of our Colorado Publishers, Independent Publishers Group also. And I just want to say kudos to him because he is a superb editor, a taskmaster. He's the content guy. He's an airline pilot, veteran editor. musical conductor, and he's the author of Symphony of Your Life, Restoring Harmony in Your Life, a phenomenal book. Grady, as you know, was with me on Miracle Workers, and he's the integrator on Bud's Month, you name it. Got my back. And Dan, who is from the Iowa Workshop, of all things, he's the author of China Wind, Dog City Blues. They were the crutch that I had to use to get those 10 veterans In the beginning, I only had three or four when I called it Echoes of My War. It was Grady and Dan who reached out and became the coordinators and the pacemakers for the rest of the book and the other authors that were in there.
SPEAKER 09 :
As I look at the book, Colonel Fisher, I'm also one of those that goes to the pictures first. I guess I shouldn't admit that. But the pictures are all powerful here as well. And it is a beautiful, beautiful book. I'm so excited that we're doing this series as well as this very, very cool promotion on this. So let's talk about, you said that you were in Vietnam 1961, 1962. Yes. And things were happening. Things were heating up. What should our listeners know about the very beginning of this war?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I'm glad you asked that question. Actually, I was the captain of Marines aboard the 7th Fleet flagship. And my Admiral, Griffin, made sure he was in Southeast Asia because it was a hot spot. I had the opportunity at that time to go ashore in Malaya. and study the emergency in its last year. They had a 12-year fight against the communist terrorists there. The Philippines had their own war of liberation, communist-inspired. Vietnam already had the dead teachers and the North Vietnamese cadres there in 62 when we pulled the ship into Saigon. And then you had Thailand, the 1962 intervention with the Pathlet Lao supported by North Vietnam's Ho Chi Minh and Jop had the Pathlet Lao encroachment into northeast Thailand, which is very fertile Mekong River country. And it was JFK, right at the same time as he was taking cruise ship on in 1962, who ordered the Marine Brigade off Okinawa to counter that. And my future boss, General Simpson, was the brigade commander who went into Thailand. And I was in the port watching the offloading of this Marine Brigade. And they immediately went up to the border and the path that Lao ran for, like the college they were, and never came back again. That was attributed to JFK. A few people would know that happened. Now, the other side of it is we were there because of the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization that we were charter members of. Many people forget that we went into Vietnam and South Korea in those wars because we had treaties, Asian protective treaties. And that's why my 10 veterans... hold their heads high today, but as volunteer young Marines, we went to war. We were ordered to war to help an ally.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, Colonel Fisher, and at the end of this series, we're going to really delve into your story. But I think this is important to understand that coming out of World War II, there was this concern about the spread of communism. And so is that where the Southeast Asia treaties, is that where that precipitated from?
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. The Southeast Asia Treaty Organization came into being right after the North Vietnamese had defeated the French. One of the major land armies in the world was defeated in 1954 at Dien Bien Phu, and that's when France lost its colonies and exited Southeast Asia, the Indo-Chinese colonies. Now, that's amazing because I would hope to cover at some time one of the most amazing Marines that I had met in 1962 on the flagship, Colonel Victor Coyzaf, He was our alpha and omega of the whole 14 years' involvement in Vietnam. And I'm writing about that in my Sovan book that I'm rewriting about. What was going on in Southeast Asia at that time is we had a military advisory group in Saigon, General O'Daniels. Victor was in the MAG, and he was also the interpreter for Polyseum. He had been to the Côte d'Ivoire in France, where Napoleon actually went to school, and Wittner was sent to Vietnam to not only monitor the partitioning of the two Vietnams in 1954, where one million refugees were allowed to leave the North because they were Catholic and Buddhist, and very few went from the South back to the North. Wittner orchestrated the entire move because he was a veteran of five amphibious landings in World War II. And he knew naval maritime shipping. He got with the French, and they pulled half a million of those refugees came out on ships that Victor coordinated and put to the south. One of those units that came out at that time were the famous dinosaurs who Bernard Fall called the most famous and most successful fighting force in the Vietnam War. And those were the Catholic and Buddhist dinosaurs. who Victor spotted as the first Vietnamese Marine battalion, pulled himself to the track and set up the first Vietnamese Marine battalion, and I became a Vietnamese Marine advisor many years later. And he was the first advisor. So I saw all that happen, too, in those days. But I wasn't there in 54. Victor was.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, my gosh, that is very fascinating, Colonel Fisher. We're going to go to break. We are setting this whole series up, Echoes of Our War, Vietnam Veterans Reflect 50 Years Later. And Colonel Fisher is really the guy that kind of pulled this whole thing together. Paula Sarles is in studio with me, and we've got a really special offering going on. So stay tuned. We'll be right back with Colonel Bob Fisher and Paula Sarles.
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SPEAKER 09 :
Welcome back to America's Veteran Stories with Kim Munson, and be sure and check out my website. That is AmericasVeteranStories.com. We are creating an amazing series, and it is Echoes of Our War, Vietnam Veterans Reflect 50 Years Later. The coordinator, the guy that really put this together, is Colonel Robert Fisher, Colonel Bob Fisher, retired United States Marine Corps. And in studio with me is Paula Sarles. She is a Vietnam-era veteran. Marine veteran as well as a Gold Star wife. And as we're going through this first segment here with Colonel Fisher, we're going to actually do at least another interview at the end of this. It's going to be a four or five week series. I can't wait. I'm on the edge of my chair right now. But a friend of mine, Helen Raleigh, has really recommended that we have freedom libraries. I love books. I love to hold them in my hand. With what's happening in America today, I think it's more important than ever. And this echoes of our war. We're doing something very special on this, Paula.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, we are. Whoever donates the most money during this series of shows will receive a signed hard copy collector's copy of the book. and it will be signed by all the authors. And how can people? And they can donate at usmcmemorialfoundation.org and put in the notations book so we know you're participating in this promo.
SPEAKER 09 :
And Colonel Fisher is the one that you write a number of different books, Colonel Fisher, correct?
SPEAKER 13 :
That was my seventh book.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. I think that actually in your Freedom Library, you need all of these different books. But Colonel Fisher, what you were talking about, we only have really gotten to 1961-62 when you were over in Southeast Asia. But as you were talking about this, I don't know. I don't know about all of this, but you mentioned something about the dead teachers. What was that exactly?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, the armed forces, Stars and Stripes, and the military police, publication of the time when we pulled into Saigon. Actually, St. Paul had to be beached, the bow had to be beached on the Longtao-Sairoff rivers to get it up into Saigon. And at that time, there was no MAG. I'm sorry, there was a MAG at that time, military advisory group. But in that start of the strike, they had an article that I cut out called The Dead Teachers, and it was where since 1950... Joseph Stalin called a meeting of Mao Zedong, who had been just one year as the new premier of China, and Ho Chi Minh, who planned not only what was happening in the Korean War, but what was going to happen in South Vietnam in the Vietnam War. And that included the Vietnam War. So the origins go way back of how all this began. Our book then details much of that leading up to how we did get in the war. and why we got into the war, and then my biggest point I'm trying to make in the book is the lessons of the war. That would be an entire interview in itself. We didn't learn any lessons. We were totally untrained for the war. I wrote an article to the Marine Corps Gazette called The Forgotten Subject in 1962 and had it shoved back down my throat by the editor. who told me I was walking off base when I said Marines were totally untrained to go into the emerging guerrilla wars that were coming. The dead teachers were the cadres sent by Ho Chi Minh and Yop into the villages, and they were massacring village chiefs, and they were taking over whole segments of the population. Now, here I go again. It was a people's war written by Mao Zedong and Yop, General Jopp, and you could buy those books written by them in the Hong Kong and Taiwan libraries. Nobody read those books in the earliest days. I did, and I also got the Moya Dundall school syllabus, so I knew more about the war than anybody out there at the time, I think, and I tried to write the article in the Marine Corps Gazette. That's what provoked me to get ECHOS, because ECHOS is to try to show the lessons and the false lessons the false presentation of so many that have interpreted the Vietnam War wrong.
SPEAKER 09 :
Colonel Fisher, I remember in one of the interviews that you and I have done together that you had mentioned you were one of the first guys out there that realized that we were going to be looking at a different kind of warfare, guerrilla warfare. And as you mentioned, we were unprepared. That's why this book that you've put together, Echoes of Our War is so important so that people can understand what happened. I really think I actually had been talking to a young college student that was talking about the Vietnam War, and I just knew enough to know that she is being told just a few pieces of truth and then a lot of propaganda. So as I'm reflecting on this, this book is becoming even more important in my mind, just as we're talking about it in this initial interview. Colonel Fisher, we've got about four minutes left. So where would you like to go in this last three to four minutes?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, there's some truth telling. The reason I supported this book so much and what Grady and the rest of us put together is we began to see the truth telling that was coming out that the people have not known for 50 years. For example, the hypocrisy of Walter Cronkite is a whole story in itself. He gave one speech in Saigon a week after, in which he stated unequivocally, and Victor Croizet heard this speech, was there at the time, in the night, America just won this war. The Gek Kong were 80% decimated. Two weeks later, after Fonda and Kerry got a hold of him and the anti-war types back in the States, it was the famous speech, we've just lost the war, and LBJ quit because of that. We're correcting a lot of this falsity that went in in the earliest days. The Ken Burns documentary has a brilliant part on the French brutality and the colonialism, but it goes off into liberal interpretation of our war. The war is a different war, a completely different war than people understand. That's why we did the book.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it is so important, and we definitely have a whole bunch more of information to talk about on this. This book, Echoes of Our War, Vietnam Veterans Reflect 50 Years Later. We're going to be talking with Grady Birdsong in this next segment. And quickly, you, Colonel Fisher, and Grady Birdsong have been... have done something very important to try to help our young guys coming back from the Middle East with this hyperbolic chamber. You've had some great success regarding treating PTSD. Tell us quickly about that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, our book, Miracle Work of the South Boulder Road, tells how Gary and I became involved back in 2010 as veteran advocates for that clinic. When we saw the miracles being worked, we brought the basket case kids in, IED damaged, brain damaged, PTSD, and we put together the only integrated PTSD TBI program in the world, and that's supported by the Israelis. It's an integrated 40-day program, and you know we've successfully, Paula, put out 450 successful recoveries in there, and three are in med school today. They were basket cases when we got them.
SPEAKER 09 :
I tell you what, that is amazing. And that's the Miracle Workers of South Boulder Road. Yeah, Miracle Workers.
SPEAKER 13 :
It's on Amazon. Okay. It's on Amazon.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. We're going to go to break here in just a minute. And I'll be talking with Grady Birdsong in segments three and four. This is a series that we will be doing. regarding this echoes of our war, Vietnam veterans reflect 50 years later. It is time to set the record straight. Paula Sarles, for so many years, our Vietnam veterans came back. They served valiantly, came back to a country. I think Colonel Fisher just mentioned, you mentioned it was Jane Fonda and you said Kerry. Was that John Kerry that you were referring to?
SPEAKER 13 :
Many people do not know that in the Hall of Honor in Hanoi today, There is in the center of the Hall of Heroes and the Hall of Honor that the North Vietnamese pay tribute to are the photos of Jane Fonda and John Kerry right in the center of the Hall of Heroes, the North Vietnamese Hall of Heroes.
SPEAKER 09 :
And now that guy is in charge of climate change here in America. Astounding to me. We're going to go to break. Before we do that, though, to tell these stories, I have many great sponsors. And one of my great sponsors is on the line with me. And that is Hal Van Herke. He is the owner of Castlegate Knife and Tool. It's a family-owned business. located right here in Sedalia, Colorado. Hal, I so appreciate you. You keep our independent voice live and out there and also these stories of these veterans. You are a valued partner of both of my shows. Castlegate Knife and Tool has knives from the best blade makers from throughout the world.
SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you very much, Kim. We're proud to be part of all the work that you do. We also support our veterans community and first responder community One of the things we do is we provide a 10% discount on everything we sell all day, every day at Castlegate Knife and Tool to veterans, active duty service personnel, and first responders. A couple of the other things that we have going on is that we support directly through financial contributions and participation in the National Honor Tour. And the National Honor Tour is an organization that's designed to make sure that, first and foremost, no service member that's laid to rest has to be... has to go without having taps played at their memorial service. So we make sure that there's a live bugler there for the service, along with a couple of other national organizations. The National Honor Tour is also in the process of going to the gravesite of each Medal of Honor recipient in the United States and playing taps and recording that next to their gravesite. And coming up on Memorial Day weekend at Fort Logan Cemetery in Colorado, We're having a second annual event that we will play taps live at the gravesite if anybody buried there, including spouses, et cetera. And all you have to do is go to the National Honor Tour Facebook page and mention the name of who you would like to have played for on Memorial Day. We do it over a three-day period, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Last year we played taps over 500 times. This year we expect that we will exceed that. And we provide, and again, Castle Gate Nightingale is a very proud sponsor of the National Honor Tour. And I participate personally by assisting in playing taps when necessary.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hal Van Herke, I just got chills just how important this is and honoring those that have put it all on the line and their family members that have put it all on the line to protect our freedoms, to stand against tyranny. And this is a really noble thing that you're doing with the National Honor Tour on this, Hal.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, we're very pleased to be part of it and pleased to be part of everything that you do for our veterans community on a regular basis, Kim. Thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it's my honor to get to do this. And the Castlegate Knife and Tool, the website, it has a lot of information there because you have a lot going on. And so you'll have this on your website very soon as well, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. You can learn about the National Honor Tool on our website at castlegate.com. as well as other programs that we support and products that we have in stock at any given time. We have over 3,000 different types of knives in stock. We also do custom-made rifles here in Colorado, and we sell U.S.-made watches and a number of other things that are of interest to our customers.
SPEAKER 09 :
You talk about an entrepreneur. Hal and Linnea Van Herke, you are the American spirit to me. So thank you so much, and I so appreciate your partnership on both the shows. Thank you very much. And we'll be right back with Paula Sarles and Grady Birdsong.
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SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 09 :
And welcome back to America's Veterans Stories with Kim Munson. This is such an important show. I'm so excited to have in studio with me Paula Sarles. You know her. She is a Vietnam-era Marine veteran as well as a Gold Star wife doing all this great work on the Marine Memorial out here in Golden, Colorado. Paula, these shows are so rich with content. It's just so fantastic.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, they're very exciting to hear the stories and touching – Too many words to describe him. But I'm very excited to be part of it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and this book, Echoes of Our War, by Colonel Robert Fisher, who we just talked with, has told the stories of several of our Vietnam Marine veterans. And what is so exciting, we mentioned it, is for people during this time, it'll probably be about four or five weeks as we're going through all these stories, the one that contributes the most gets what?
SPEAKER 10 :
They get a signed hardback copy of the book. Autographed by all of the authors. And that's a great collector item because there were only 100 books printed in hardback copy. The rest are paperback. And all the proceeds from the sales of these books go to... Half of the proceeds go to the foundation, the U.S. Marine Corps Memorial Foundation, and... The other half goes to the hyperbaric chamber.
SPEAKER 09 :
Which is something that is really near and dear on the hearts of both Colonel Fisher and our next guest, and that is Grady Birdsong. Grady Birdsong, welcome to the show. I feel so connected with you because of Cooper's Troopers, which is this group of Marines that meets on a regular basis up in North Denver. And I consider you my friend, Grady Birdsong.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, thank you very much. Thank you and your audience for having Paula and myself today. Thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, let's talk about your story. You are one of the stories in this book, Echoes of Our War. And where do you want to start with this, Grady?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, let me start this way. Colonel Fisher, God bless him. Colonel Fisher is an accomplished colonel of Marines. He's a graduate of the United States Naval Academy, class of 1955. And his best friend was my battalion aide. executive officer in vietnam in 1968 and that's how kind of i got connected with him colonel fisher was a covan uh which is in vietnamese that meant he's a friend of trusted friend covan means trusted friend he was an advisor to the vietnamese marine corps in the early days of the war and he shot the azimuth he set the compass course in other words for this book this project, and he kind of asked me to pull it all together, which I did. And all of these men that are in the book, with the exception of one, are Cooper's Troopers members. So I kind of served as the chief editor, and I wrote my chapter, along with the others, and Three of us contributed to the editing process. Dan Gunther, he was over in Vietnam at the same time I was. He's an accomplished author himself. He's written a number of books. And he formulated all of the questions that we would answer in this book, which, well, one of them are thoughts and feelings that we have today about the war 50 years afterwards. And so I went through and pulled everything together, did all of the developmental, or most of the developmental and content editing, and helped some of the authors enhance their narratives in their chapters. Some of them didn't need help, some of them did. Mark Hardcastle, a closer in the mind, Air Force Academy graduate combat pilot. He's now a United Airlines pilot and an award-winning author. Asked if he could participate, and he did all the fine-tuning. He knows the English language very well. He knows the finer points of grammar, and so he went through and fine-tuned it after we got it all put together. But our intended audience on this book, Echoes of Our War, are Vietnam veterans, Marines, corpsmen, historians, anybody that's interested in the war, and the current-day military. And it's a book about the lessons we learned as kids in a war in a place that nobody had ever heard of. And each of us served different aspects of the theater. Denny Sedlak, the first chapter, he was a corpsman in the Grants. That's what you call the infantry, or the Marine Corps calls the infantry. Denny's chapter will sober you up to the realities of the war right off the bat. It's the first chapter. He went right into the fire. He and I participated in the same operation in summer of 68, Operation Ellenbrook, a big operation. And on to the house-to-house fighting in the Tet Offensive of 1968 at Hue City. Bill Purcell and Gary Eichler, they were both involved and put to the test there. And not since Korea or World War II had the Marines been even involved in a house-to-house warfare. It had all been rice paddy, hedgerow, jungle warfare up to that point. And they got thrown into the big battle there at Hue City. They had 10,000 North Vietnamese troops waiting on them. When Bill and Gary walked into it, the first day, January 31st, actually February 1st, Bill, I think, lasted 13, 14 days before he was grievously wounded. And then they sent him back to the States, took him. a long time to recover from his wounds. Gary made it through the battle without any wounds. He was one of the very few. Dan Gunther's chapter, he relates about the Amtraks. Those are the 40-ton behemoths that are designed to land troops shipped ashore or across the wide, deep rivers. Dan came up with some excellent lessons learned in utilizing the M-Tracks in that kind of a topographical arena. Bob Averill's chapter, he talks about the Combined Action Program. That's basically the Marine Corps' equivalent of the Peace Corps, but with rifles. What Bob and his men did, they helped develop the community during the day and provided the security at night. And he's got a great chapter in there, and he talks about some of the Vietnamese that he came to know and worked with there. Master Sergeant John Decker, USMC retired, gives everyone a glimpse of what it was like to stay in the Corps back in the 70s. John not only did two combat tours, but he went on to serve in Italy, took his wife to Italy right after Vietnam, and provided security for some installations over there. And then he went on to do a tour of the drill fields. He became a respected Marine Corps drill instructor. He's probably one of them. Well, it is the most important job in the Marine Corps. And that drill instructor billet is the actual foundation and formative backbone of the entire organization. Then we go on to Mike Frazier in his chapter. He's one of the grunts who got over there early in Vietnam, and he learned to walk point, and he did it quite well. He became really good at it, but he finally was seriously wounded. Not many people make it physically. too long walking point and he was evacuated back statesides and he reflects on his his time grady what what is walking what is that i guess you have to read the book to find out right you walk you they they're the first man down the trail or first man into an unknown territory uh there's there's a lot to it uh you learn to look for booby traps you learn to look for trip wires uh You don't know if you're going to get ambushed. If you walk into a village and all of the little children are quiet, well, you know something's going on. Things like that. It's a dangerous, dangerous, dangerous occupation. And not everybody's cut out for it. Mike was.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Tom Jacobs, he, God bless him, he walked Point into a, well, he was in the Point platoon when they walked into a battalion-sized ambush in 67 in the jungle west of Camp Evans up on the DMZ. And he survived that. I think 23 Marines were killed and 105 received real serious wounds. Tom was wounded three times, he tells about it, and he ended up being evacuated out, and it took him a long time. Tom's a successful businessman now, and got a couple of restaurants here in town, Takabi's, American Indian Cuisine. We love that place.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
And then Captain, finally Captain, well, Captain at the time, C.R. Cusack, he tells in his chapter what it was like to fly F-4s on support missions for us Marines on the ground. And he got shot down by a machine gun position on Hill 310 west and a little south of Devang. And I found the guy that... I found the story. I found the fellow that wrote the story about the Marines that went up and captured that weapon and put it in the book.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, Grady, this particular book, Echoes of Our War, I've been talking with my friend Helen Raleigh, who she immigrated from China. She is a true patriot. She's also an author. But she has really floated this idea initially, and I totally agree with her that each of us needs to start to have the actual copies of books and create our freedom library and our history library. And Echoes of Our War is certainly a good place to start with that. And I would highly recommend that people do that, Grady. Thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of things that went on. Colonel Fisher will talk about the lessons learned. Well, and that is what is so important. So, Grady, we're going to go to break.
SPEAKER 09 :
And when we come back, we want to hear, start with your story. I have a feeling that maybe one segment is not going to be enough for that as well. Paula Sarles is in studio with me. She is a Vietnam-era Marine veteran and really excited about this book giveaway. Paula? Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
The USMC Memorial Foundation was formed to remodel the Marine Corps Memorial in Golden. And Colonel Fisher has been a part of that memorial for many years. And he has dedicated part of the proceeds of this book to our efforts to remodel the memorial. And the other part goes to the hyperbaric chamber, which we all love.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And while we're doing this series, whoever during this series, and it'll probably be four or five shows for sure, contributes the most, they will get a hard copy, signed copy of the book by all of the people. Every one of the authors.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, my gosh. How can people contribute? And they can donate by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And when you contribute, put in the comments book so we know that your contribution goes towards the effort on this project to raise money.
SPEAKER 09 :
Most definitely. So we're going to go to break. Before we do that, though, I have so many great sponsors that I get to work with. And one of those sponsors is Hooters Restaurants. They have five locations here in the metro area, Westminster, Aurora, Lone Tree, Loveland, and Colorado Springs. And they have all kinds of different specials, whether or not it's dine-in, to-go. They have party packs, all kinds of great specials. And to get all the details on that, go to my website, kimmunson.com. Click on the Sponsor tab. That'll drop down, and then click on the Hooters icon, and that will bring up all the specials that they have. It is time for us to get together with friends and family, and to get together over some of those delicious Hooters wings is a great thing to do. We're going to go to break. We'll be right back with Grady Birdsong.
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SPEAKER 09 :
Welcome back to America's Veteran Stories with Kim Munson. And be sure and check out my website. That is AmericasVeteranStories.com. And we are starting a series, a really important series, based on this book by Colonel Robert Fisher, a retired U.S. Marine Corps. It's Echoes of Our War, Vietnam Veterans Reflect 50 Years Later. And Paula Sarles is in studio with me. She is a Vietnam-era Marine veteran as well as a Gold Star wife and is really working diligently to remodel, refurbish the Marine Memorial out here in Golden. And Paula, if people, during this time when we're doing this series, the person that donates the most will actually get what? They get a hardback copy of the book signed by all of the authors. Something to add to your Freedom Library. And on the line with me is Grady Birdsong. During the last segment, he went through how he worked with Colonel Fisher and the other authors in creating this book. And I have a feeling, Grady, we're not going to have enough time. just in this segment. So I think we'll probably record you next week as well. So where do you want to start regarding your experience in Vietnam and what you've contributed to this book?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, okay, let me begin with this. And I speak for a lot of Vietnam veterans. There's not a day that doesn't go by that I don't think back about the time that I spent in Vietnam. I spent 20 months over there, almost two tours, two full tours. And one of the things that comes to mind when I first got there, I was pretty naive, a new troop.
SPEAKER 09 :
How old were you, Grady?
SPEAKER 15 :
I was 20 years old. I had already had two years of college, and I had enlisted in the Marine Corps and then went right over.
SPEAKER 09 :
And what year was that?
SPEAKER 15 :
That was in 1968 when we got there. The Tet Offensive had broken out. We were in staging battalion in Camp Pendleton, and the Tet Offensive broke out. Bill Purcell and Gary Eichler were already over there involved in the battle for Hue.
SPEAKER 09 :
Grady, what was the Tet Offensive?
SPEAKER 15 :
The Tet Offensive, Tet means the Lunar New Year. Every year the Oriental people, especially the Vietnamese people, they call it Tet, T-E-T. They celebrate the, it's kind of like our Christmas celebration. They celebrate the good happenings that are going to happen in the coming year. And everybody was on vacation the end of January of 1968. Well, every year they do this. And there was a lull in the fighting. And what had happened is the North Vietnamese had infiltrated most of the major cities in South Vietnam below the DMZ. Hue City, the old... capital of Vietnam. It's what Boston is to us in our revolutionary history. There was probably anywhere from 10,000 to 15,000 NBA soldiers infiltrated into Hue City. They did so in Saigon. They did so in Da Nang. They were up at Khe Sanh. And they staged a major push, major offensive to come in and crush us, the military, the United States military. Marines were all in the northern I-Corps area. And when the battle for Hue City broke out, why, a platoon—well, actually, it was a company. It was a couple platoons, a couple, three platoons— knew that there was a disturbance going on in way city and bill purcell and gary eichler were the two gentlemen that i talked about that uh marines that uh they were in the point uh they went up there they were the first ones in there and there was ten thousand nba waiting on them and they started fighting house to house uh And after that, after the Marines, the 5th Marines and the 1st Marines regiments secured the citadel inside the city of Huey, why, my battalion was rushed up there, 1st Battalion, 27 Marines, and they had pushed all of the NVA out into the canal area. The canal area was the rice paddy area out to the coast. And we... Our mission was to go after them and curtail them. And the reason they were out there is that was the rice-producing area. That was their food supply. And it took us almost three months to secure that area out there. And then we went back down to south of Da Nang on Operation Allenbrook, which was a major operation that year. All this time, caisson's going on up on the DMC area. And they were, in the case of the Marines up there, the 26 Marines were surrounded by probably 20,000 NVA coming in from Laos. It was the peak year of the war, the Tet Offensive. Does that give you a good idea?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I think that's it. Paula, anything else to add to that right now? No? Okay, good. Okay, let's continue on then, Grady.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. When I first got there, right before we went up to Hue City, we knew that there was a lot going on. And we were staging. We were being snapped in, so to speak. We were being trained by the unit that was already there south of Da Nang, getting us ready to take over that area. And I remember in the chow line, I had... We had trays go through the line buffet style, get your food, eat it. Then you go out to a boiling trash can, boiling water trash can with a heat unit on it. And you dip your tray in there and wash it off with a brush. And as I walked up to that washing station, another Marine had a rifle trained on me. And he says, get out of the way. with an expletive. And I knew that he was serious, and I moved out of the way, and he shot the man right behind me, right in the stomach. Miraculously, the fellow lived. We wrestled this guy down. His rifle jammed, and another quick-thinking sergeant Started wrestling with him, wrestling the rifle away with him, and a bunch of us jumped in and took it away. I wasn't ready for that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nobody is.
SPEAKER 15 :
I had been there probably three or four days, and another Marine shooting another Marine, and these guys had been in the field forever, I think. They had the 1,000 yards there, and they were best friends. And miraculously, the other Marine lived. But the Marine that shot him, he went to prison over that. And I just wasn't ready for that. And I didn't tell anybody about that for a long time. At a reunion about two years ago, I related that to another friend of mine at the reunion. And he says, I was in the line. He said, I saw that. I never told anybody about that because I was ashamed of it. I thought nobody would believe me.
SPEAKER 09 :
A couple of things on that, Grady. I remember the first time I heard the term 1,000-foot stair was from one of the World War II veterans that I interviewed that had served in the Pacific Theater. Tell our listeners what that is exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, it's post-traumatic stress. It's the beginning of post-traumatic stress. A thousand yards there, that came from World War II. Everybody was just numb. Obviously, these two friends had an argument and they got mad at each other. It was normal to have a rifle and take care of the situation out in the field. I'm just speculating.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don't know. It's hard to know.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's hard to know. It really shook me up. I didn't really tell anybody about it for all my life. My wife didn't even know about it. But I thought it was crazy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it really is. And, again, I think I said 1,000 foot. I meant 1,000-yard stare. And my understanding also is that looking out to always be watching what is going on out there also is kind of a contributor to that 1,000-yard stare as well, Grady.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I would become numb myself later on as we got into the war, as we went up to – uh... to hawaii city out in the canal area uh... we've we've met some pretty heavy resistance out there it was it was no cakewalk uh... we lost a lot of marines uh... and uh... then we went back down on operation allenbrook and we lost even more uh... denny uh... denny uh... describes it well in his chapter denny's a close friend of mine he was the corpsman anyway that that Things like that in the book we reflect back on. That's why Colonel Fisher got me involved in the hyperbaric oxygen situation, healing our heroes. All these kids coming back from the Middle Eastern wars, I wanted to help them. I got to come back. I got to live. So the least I can do is help others. Some didn't get to come back.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, Grady, we are actually just about out of time. So clearly this is going to be the cliffhanger for next week because we will get you scheduled to continue with your story. And it seems interesting to me, Paula, that so many people in America today are so interested in their personal ancestry. But we also have to be interested in our American ancestry as well, our American history. And that's why this is such an important series that we're doing.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, it is. And it's very important because these guys didn't get to tell their story when they got out of the Marine Corps in the 70s. And I know my husband and I, neither one, talked about any of this until 1999.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and Grady, that is why Cooper's Troopers is this group of Marines that meets in North Denver. And it's very supportive of each other because you've each... Seeing different things, but in a lot of ways the same things. And that has been such a healing organization for so many people. And you're very humble about this, but you've done a lot to help a lot of different Marines and service men and women in this. So thank you so much for what you do.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, thank you. Thank your audience for listening.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, so we are going to schedule Grady for next week, Paula. All right. We'll get that done.
SPEAKER 10 :
And again, let's see, how can people... They can contribute to the foundation, usmcmemorialfoundation.org.
SPEAKER 09 :
and write a notebook there. And the person that contributes the most after we do this series will receive a hardback copy with the autograph of all of our heroes here. So Grady Birdsong, we will talk to you next week.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you again, Paula.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you, Greg.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Kim.
SPEAKER 09 :
Most definitely. My friends, you can see that we as Americans stand on the shoulders of giants. And it is our time to step forward into this as well. We are in an ideological battle right now for the heart and soul of our country. And I so thank each and every one of these servicemen and women for my freedom. And all I can say is, my friends, God bless you and God bless America.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you for listening to America's Veteran Stories with Kim Munson. Be sure to tune in again next Sunday, 3 to 4 p.m. here on KLZ 560 and KLZ 100.7.
In this enlightening episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush dives deep into the complexities of global trade and the implications of new tariffs on the market. Joined by renowned political commentator Amy Robbins, the discussion ventures into the impact of these strategies on both local and international scales. Amy shares insights on the long-standing trade deficit and how recent policies aim to revive U.S. manufacturing and narrow the gap. The debate on the market's reaction to these changes offers a thought-provoking perspective on global economic tactics and their effects on Wall Street.
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All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Amy Robbins joining us now. She is a parlor brand voice and political commentator. Amy, welcome back. How are you?
SPEAKER 20 :
Hey, guys. Great to be here. I'm doing wonderful.
SPEAKER 04 :
Always a joy. There's a lot going on, of course. We were watching the market even before we came on air today as it starts to wind down as soon as we come on air. And it went up, it went down, it went up, it still came back down a little bit. Lots of fear, of course, over tariffs, which... That's a topic in and of itself. Andy and I both, just so you know, are of the opinion that they are much needed. They are long overdue. The market, of course, is made up mostly of globalists, and they hate anything to do with making America great again, by the way. And the reality is, of course, the market's going to do what it's doing.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, of course it is. And I'm right there with you. I mean, guys, we have been running a trade deficit consistently since the mid 1970s. And we've only started to see that gap widening significantly over the decades. So like you said, this is absolutely long overdue. And one of the things that I love to point out right now as I am talking to people about what's going on with the tariffs now. Disclaimer, I'm no tariff expert, but I do understand the strategies that President Trump is trying to implement. And so when we're talking about what, like, why are we even having these discussions right now? You've got four main things. You've got the revitalizing U.S. manufacturing industry. and job creation you've got a strategy of narrowing the trade deficit correct you've got just generating federal revenue for tax cuts and then fourth is just using it strictly as a negotiating tool and i've said this before even the first term when president trump was elected like everybody that questions president trump just needs to go back and read his book the art of the deal because we are actually seeing that play out right now in what's happening with with these trade talks
SPEAKER 11 :
Amy, here's what I don't understand. Look, I get the big shock, right? These tariffs have built up piece by piece over several decades. He's trying to level them overnight. And I understand that's going to be too much of a shock for the stock market. I get it. But what I don't understand is how come the stock market is taking so long to rebound when we're seeing 70 countries come and say, hey, we want to cut far better deals than you guys have had with us for decades. I mean, why isn't that sending a louder message to Wall Street?
SPEAKER 04 :
I can answer that. Because it's not what they want. Again, if you're looking at this from the globalist point of view, it's not what they want. They want it to be the way it was before. They want other countries having an advantage over the United States of America, not having the playing field level. That's my opinion. Amy, your thoughts?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I was going to say, I think it's manmade manufacturing of what we're seeing in the markets right now and the people that are manipulating that. You're exactly right. Those are the people that that want to be able to control the global markets. And so I think that's what we're seeing play out right this second. But I just want to go back to that point that. I think out of those four strategies that I mentioned earlier, the negotiation tool to me is probably the biggest part of it because, like you said, we're already seeing 70 countries, and we've got countries like Taiwan, Vietnam. People want to complain about a 46% tariff on Vietnam when they have been putting a 90% import tax on the U.S. for a very long time, and nobody's complaining about that. So the mere mention of 40% tariffs on this to the table to want to get to 0%. To me, that's right there. that this is all negotiation tactic.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, yeah, I mean, we're about to open up markets all around the world that have been flat out closed, Amy. I mean, our businesses are going to be able to sell to places they have not been able to sell ever, really. I mean, as long as those businesses have been in place. And on top of that, you've got several trillion that are pledged for new investment in the United States. I don't understand why the stock market doesn't care at all. Look, I understand the shock. I understand the stock market dropping off 10%, 12% initially. I get that. I expected that. I think we all did to a degree. What I don't understand is, look, the thing that's really surprised me is to have this many countries coming to Trump this quickly to negotiate. I knew they would. I just figured it'd be a week or two.
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, it didn't surprise me at all.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, gosh, so fast.
SPEAKER 20 :
that the media was going to try to bury him and put all of the blame for the pain and discomfort, the short-term pain and discomfort that the American families were going to feel. He was willing to go through that for the long-term gain and long-term benefit.
SPEAKER 11 :
Bottom line, I guess my question is, doesn't anyone see how great this is about to be?
SPEAKER 20 :
No, because you're talking about people that read headlines only and they play into that fear and panic selling that we're seeing. I mean, we have seen this happen in the stock market. We have rebounded many times in the past. And I think that. I don't think it's going to take as long as some people think. I do think that once more countries come to the table and we get this worked out, I think we're going to see a lot quicker in the stock market.
SPEAKER 04 :
Agreed. And keep in mind, too, that necessarily listening to that, you know, traders are finicky. They don't like change at all. They're willing to move everything from one entity to another, depending upon the winds that blow, if you would, Amy. So the reality is I wasn't shocked at all by what the market saw. has done it will eventually come back and it won't take very long i don't think to come back keep in mind as well another flip side to this that i'm sure andy you and i or amy you and andy both would agree with me on this for all of you listening please hear me out here i said all along trump has to figure out an end around the fed the fed doesn't want to play ball when it comes to lowering rates everything that's happening right now is this is a necessity to be able to make the fed then lower rates which trump knows we have to have to get housing and other things back on track it's small business related it's housing related and so on reality is interest rates need to come down a full point to really get things back on track economically speaking this is all part of that plan
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, yeah, I absolutely think so. And I I don't know if you guys are watching like what's happening in the crypto markets.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, I have been.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, but I also think what's happening over there is very interesting because, you know, everybody had this high optimism about the crypto markets. Once President Trump took office, you know, he was very pro crypto, especially pro crypto. And for those people that are kind of watching what's going on with Bitcoin, even though we saw Bitcoin drop below $82,000, which is the lowest it's been in quite a while, I still think that this volatility in the market is going to level out. And it, to me, gives some exciting opportunity to U.S.-based crypto projects. I don't know if you guys are aware, but like Parler is a really neat crypto project that's built on the Optio blockchain. And President Trump has been very pro-American crypto projects. So, you know, if you're not into the crypto game, maybe now is a good chance to start looking at some of these newer projects that are popping up like the Octio project, because to me, it's a good time actually to get in. I know people that spent a lot when Bitcoin was high might not be looking at it that way. But I actually think that the future is bright for cryptocurrencies.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. How do folks find you, Amy?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, go find me. You can go watch my show on Play TV. Just download Play TV by Parler in the App Store. You can go to playtv.com, and you can find me on all social media channels at TheAmyRobbins.
SPEAKER 04 :
Awesome. Amy, as always, I appreciate it very much.
SPEAKER 20 :
Great conversation, guys.
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Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, myself, Andy Pate. Okay, speaking of China, which we'll get into some of what they're doing and my own opinions on China and so on. And as a side note, this is something that we'll have a conversation with Jordan Goodman probably. Is he coming on with us next week? Is it next week that he joins us? Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Can I ask you really quick, John?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Is it the Chinese or Japanese culture with falling on your sword?
SPEAKER 03 :
Both.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because economically, I'm sorry, going toe to toe with the United States when they are totally dependent on our market and the United States consumer seems really dumb, especially when their co-leader over there, India, has already come to the United States and said, hey, Trump, we want to make a deal. Don't you think this is getting that the heat is getting a little hot under China?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and along those lines, I want to put this in context because the news media typically won't do that. This article I'm reading out of USA Today did not. A Chinese official criticized Vice President J.D. Vance on Tuesday for referring to its people as peasants as trade tensions escalate between the two countries. Speaking on Fox News, Fox and Friends on Thursday, Vance responded to questions about how tariffs would bring prices down while boosting domestic manufacturing by talking about the national debt. Quote, To make it a little more crystal clear, we borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy things those Chinese peasants manufacture, he said.
SPEAKER 11 :
Now, by the way... Yeah, he's talking about people who are being mishandled by their government. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, point being, he's not wrong. And this won't be anywhere in any of these articles, because I did a little research. And I kind of knew this off the top of my head, but I wanted to double-check to make sure that I was fairly accurate. In China... The average income, again, these are things that you're not going to see published by mainstream media. Average income for the average citizen of China is $4,500 USD. So $4,500. They all do it in yuan, but it's $4,500 USD is what it converts to. Annual? Annual.
SPEAKER 11 :
$4,500 annually. $4,500 annually. Right, and that's because of the interior. Nobody makes money in the interior.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you work for the government, you make about $10,000. Right. And those that are kind of at the top end. I'm not talking about the big millionaires and some of those guys that have gotten in with government and so on. I'm not talking about them. Keep in mind, this is average, so they even count. You've got millionaires that are making a boatload of money and peasants that are making little of nothing. So even on the top end of the average pay, it's $16,000 a year. That's less than half of what Americans make on average. Right. So my point is, for J.D. Vance to call them peasants... He was doing that on purpose because what he's really saying to China is, you guys not only manipulate your currency, you manipulate your people, and you try to stay ahead in the world economic end of things because of the things that you do to your quote-unquote peasants, and you ought to be paying attention to what's going on there. Right. By the way, I believe everything that J.D. Vance said was correct, and he should say it more often.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah. And Vance has spoken on this.
SPEAKER 04 :
China doesn't like hearing that, by the way.
SPEAKER 11 :
He doesn't believe the China leadership treats their people well.
SPEAKER 04 :
They treat them like crap. Right. It's a communist regime.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
They treat them awful.
SPEAKER 11 :
Exactly. You know, I mean, let's face it. China's economy largely happens on the coast. People in the interior are just in poverty. It's absolute hell.
SPEAKER 04 :
And most of them hate living there. If they could come here in a heartbeat, they would. Right. Talk to anybody that has figured out a way to get out of China and come and live in the United States of America and become a U.S. citizen, and they will tell you everything we're saying is exactly correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, but John, I thought they loved communism.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, most of them. That's funny how they all want to leave.
SPEAKER 11 :
All these people who are right now singing songs and parading through the streets and, you know, with, you know, things hanging everywhere. Elon and hanging Trump and chanting.
SPEAKER 04 :
The whole hands-off movement, you mean?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, hands-off. They're all saying that, you know, the world really loves what China does.
SPEAKER 04 :
These people are idiots.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because, you know, there are so many Americans trying to get through the lines and move to China.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, no. No one is.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know who's not moving to China? Any of those protesters.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, good point.
SPEAKER 11 :
The gate's open, guys. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
You're more than welcomed. Well, is it? We're trying to let them in? Well, I'm talking about our gate. We're only guarding it coming in. We'll let you go. Once again, the same people that are protesting the very things that they're protesting against have no idea what they're protesting against. They're knuckleheads. They're morons. They have no idea what they're doing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. Can you imagine China, though, if they were told they could get a bunch of people like that who produce nothing and are there only to have billionaires like Soros pay them to protest?
SPEAKER 04 :
We're going to send those to you. I saw an interview last night of somebody that was paid to protest, a young lady. Kind of felt sorry for her. I mean, in a way it did, in a way it didn't. She's trying to make ends meet, so she saw an ad protesting, make $110 for the day. And part of the agreement with the protest is you can't wear any red. Can't wear anything MAGA at all. Can't bring any signs MAGA-related, of course. Got to bring some sort of a sign. You get extra pay if you bring a sign of some kind that's against all of that end of things. Against Trump and Elon. Against Trump, Musk, etc. Right. key is at the end you have to fill out a survey and answer all the questions correctly to get paid for example what's donald trump doing to ruin the country you've got to answer that correctly other questions along those lines i'm not joking andy i saw a video that i hadn't heard oh yeah they're having to fill out a questionnaire at the end that has to be answered correctly or they don't get paid now all the comments that i actually read on this particular video were so you're selling out your country for 110 bucks
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm like, that's a good comment. Spot on. Absolutely. You're selling out your country for 110 bucks.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, the thing that really blew my mind, John, because I watched a number of these protests on Fox News and, you know, they weren't targeting anywhere. They were just scanning over the crowd. Right. Right. And these were a number of them were in areas that have pretty large black and Hispanic populations.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
All the protesters were white. I mean, virtually all of them were white. They were imports.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
They didn't live there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Did you notice this? I did not pay any attention to that, but that's a good point. It's because they've all bust in. They're all imported in.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and I think Jesse might have mentioned it on his show last night. Jesse Waters might have mentioned it. Somebody did. Somebody on Fox last night mentioned it also. They said, do you notice that virtually all these protesters are white?
SPEAKER 04 :
And old. A lot of them are old, by the way. Oh, yeah, yeah. Not young. Now, this gal that I watched do the interview was fairly young because she needed the money and went ahead and agreed to go. Now, I will say this. When it was all said and done, I think even she was thinking to herself, you could see this from just her body language and so on. She's thinking, I'm not doing that again.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
That wasn't worth it. Yeah, that wasn't worth it. Not what I believe in. Not what I signed up for.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, there's easier ways to make $110.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and so she was at the end of that like, yeah, I'm not doing that again. But yes, there's a questionnaire at the end. It has to be filled out correctly or you don't get paid.
SPEAKER 11 :
John, let me ask you something. Don't you think the Democrat leaders right now are utterly terrified of the notion that Trump might actually cut some of these deals with these foreign leaders and might actually improve our trade relations over what we've had for decades? If he pulls that off... What are they going to do when all they've got right now is the most mindless minions that they have to pay to show up that you've ever seen? That's their army. And Trump right now is cutting deals with other nations that might give us better trade relations than we've had in generations.
SPEAKER 04 :
And may last for decades.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. What are they going to do?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that is a good question, Andy, because... It really puts a hole in their narrative over and over again when these sorts of things happen. When we become stronger, other countries are willing to play ball. We have more manufacturing here and things start to happen here. More jobs happen and so on. This is another interesting thing that I was reading yesterday. That kind of fits into all of this. This was about the job or the the the car market, the auto industry around Detroit. So I was reading some articles because I'm a car guy, as you know. So I was reading some articles about some some of the vendors, some of the suppliers that are around, you know, Ford and GM in Detroit and what they do and the parts they make and so on. And so they interviewed one particular owner of a company that said that, you know, I'm going to do the very best I can to try to, you know, make sure that I can handle these tariffs and so on. The reality is I'm probably going to have to bring some things back and start making some things here. So in this particular case, I don't know exactly what this person made. Some sort of electronic something didn't say exactly what it was. Could have been a circuit board module, who knows what. But in this particular case, he makes circuit boards overseas and brings them back in. Takes 10 people in whatever country he's doing this in, didn't say, some foreign country, to build the same circuit board that he literally can bring back to the U.S. because of robotics. It takes two. So point is, folks, will these other countries give up 10 jobs knowing that that guy can bring that whole entire thing for the same cost back to the U.S. and only have two jobs doing it because of robotics and still produce it for the same money when it's all said and done?
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Those countries are not going to want to lose those 10 jobs is my point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. And if they do, people say, well, we're only getting two jobs. Yeah, but you're getting two jobs.
SPEAKER 04 :
But you're getting two jobs that you don't have right now.
SPEAKER 11 :
That you don't have right now. You're adding jobs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Granted, there's a lot of robotics going on, but I'm telling you what, when you have several trillion about to be invested here in America, that's going to be a lot of jobs, John. And they're not low-paying jobs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, what this story doesn't tell you along those same lines, Andy, is keep in mind that even though it's two people fully employed to run and do the robots and so on, robots still need maintained. They still have parts that break. They still have things that go wrong. They still have to be built, Andy, in the first place. I mean, we can go down the list of things that happen when you do some of those.
SPEAKER 11 :
And there are also many aspects of sales, customer service, and so forth. There are many things that are going to have to be done by people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, in this case, with this particular guy, I do believe that no matter what the other country does, just because he wants to have more control over things moving forward, most likely those 10 foreign jobs are going away no matter what. he's most likely going to move those jobs back here, period, because he can now do 10, not have to worry about even the imports and everything else that's going on and so on. He can actually probably control his quality better and so on, and at the end of the day, he'll be better off.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, last question, and if you want to answer this after the break, go ahead. I'll just tee up here. What do you think of Trump's timing? Because it's starting to look rather impressive. Obviously, we're going to go through a tough time, as Trump said. You've got to take the medicine, okay? But he's looking at the midterms. What do you think about the timing of what he's doing with trade, with these tariffs, with so much of what he's doing with Doge? Because the effects of it are really going to be felt through the first six months of his administration, not after that.
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SPEAKER 04 :
And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and talking about tariffs and timing in the economy and so on. And some of you brought up some great points on the text line, even when it comes to timing of crypto and so on. And yes, I do believe a lot of this is being orchestrated purposely. And I'll go stand by what I said. Who orchestrates it? Trump is at this point.
SPEAKER 11 :
OK, I see what you mean. I thought you meant the backlash.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I mean, I think Trump and because there's a lot of people even asking, well, you know, again, why are you not doing tariffs more surgical? Why are you you know, why are you using this rate? Why isn't it not one for one? All these different things. Well, at the end of the day, he's doing what he needs to do to make the other countries do what they need to be doing and have should have been doing a long time ago. On top of that. He's got to get the Fed to move forward on things, and we're not going to get interest rates back to where they need to be and really get the economy rolling, because right now they're too high, period. They're just flat out too high to get the economy rolling. Go ahead, Ken.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, you know, this thing on tariffs, everybody hates Trump, of course. You know, the Democrats do. But really, what alternatives have they put forward, question one? And question number two, I don't know how many countries he put tariffs on, And then comment number three is or issue number three is he got 70 people that want to come to the table.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's 70 more than we had, like, whatever, three days ago.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
So how many people can do that? The guy is a he's a dealmaker. He's a negotiator. I don't think he's really made any bad moves in my lens since he's been in office.
SPEAKER 11 :
Let me just jump in for just a second. I'll turn it over to you, John. What Ken is saying is really remarkable. Who else could have 50, 60, 70 countries overnight come to you and say, oh, gee, we want to have lower tariffs with you? None. I mean, think about that. Zero. That's unheard of. That's absolutely unheard of. And why? It's all because Donald Trump looked at the power of the American consumer and said, my goodness, that's the greatest leverage in the entire world.
SPEAKER 04 :
Ken, the one thing that I've been kind of force-feeding into my audience and even others and people I think are finally starting to wake up to this, and I wish the White House, I wish Trump and the team would do a little bit better job of the messaging end of it, and that is we are – The world's I said it numerous times on this program. We are the world's largest customer of goods, period. By far. I mean, not a little bit of a big customer. We are by far the largest customer of goods in the world. And yes, people need to wake up when their largest customer says this is what I want.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, we probably consume like five times more than average in the world.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, we are close to, not quite, we're about $28 trillion a year. The next closest is China, and they're struggling, by the way, at $17 trillion. I think the next in line, I'm doing this from memory, I think the next in line below that, Ken, is Germany at $4 trillion. That's how big of a difference there is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there you go. And everybody hates him, but they don't have any – they're all smoke, all bluster, and no real answer.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, really quick, Ken, let's make sure that we remind everybody of this. And, yeah, I was right. Germany is third at $4.5 trillion. China is close to $18 trillion. We're close to $28 trillion. So reality, Ken, though, keep this in mind, that a lot of these – Folks on the left, Democrats, these wokesters, I call them, they don't want the U.S. to be the number one consumer of goods in the world. They would just as soon see us below Germany or Japan or India or France or any of these other countries. They don't want us to be number one. Keep that in mind.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but we are.
SPEAKER 04 :
But we are. You're right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
And so get over it, people. Grow up. The Democrats, too, you know, really all of this stuff, that Obama and Biden and a lot of what Clinton did was to usher in these problems. That's right. That were foreseeable. That's right. And the fact that people bought into these policies and ideas to begin with says a lot about their ability to reason and look down the road.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
And now that Trump wants to kind of clean the mess up, they don't like it. They'd rather sit around, be nonproductive, and have their communist agenda foiled. The ruination of the nation. And all of this should have been brought out long before now, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I can't argue that. Again, these are numbers that you're not hearing from the media, that we on our side, and I wish that the Trump administration did a little bit better job of this, by the way. We are the 26% of the whole world GDP is what we buy as Americans. 343,000, our per capita GDP is $80,000 per person. China is the next closest at $1.4 billion, by the way, 16% of the world GDP, and yet only spend $12,000. per person germany comes in next to 53 000 at four percent of the world's gdp so we are by far the world's largest customer we buy stuff we buy a lot of stuff ken and andy and you know where i think uh the white house i love that girl carolyn levitt or whatever she is awesome great
SPEAKER 08 :
But that other girl, McConaughey or whatever. McEnany.
SPEAKER 04 :
McEnany. Yeah, the previous one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Brilliant. I love her. I like both these girls, but she was a badger. I mean, they would try to take her on, and Leavitt holds her own. She does very well. But McConaughey or whatever her name is, she was like the quintessential lioness. And I would say a little bit more prep and a little bit more messaging. If they ask me, that's what I'd tell them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I wish... My biggest complaint that we have on our side all the time, Andy's is as well, we don't message well enough at all, and that includes Donald Trump. We need to do a better job of messaging, i.e., here's what I'm trying to do overall. We need to get the housing market restarted. We need the Fed to kick in and start participating in some things. We need lower interest rates. On and on and on we go. He should be saying those things openly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well... You know, I'll give him full credit for everything he's done. But if they were to do more, I would say you're probably right. Get them. And don't let people forget it. I would take all these liberal reporters. I would so take them to task. I mean, I would say, did you graduate from who gave you a degree? What kind of an idiot? would think that way. You know, here's what we're trying to do. The problem, though, Ken, is keep this in mind, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is something that we've got to remind ourselves of. The majority of people that are either marching, protesting, that are mad, that are on TV, that are in the media, have never written a paycheck in their life. They have no idea what it takes to run a business. Or work in one. That's true as well. A lot of them work in academia. You're correct in that also.
SPEAKER 08 :
And, you know, a lot of it, when the smartphone came along, it seemed like a place I was working, productivity kind of went down. Really, from what I saw, it declined starting in, like, the mid-'70s and in so many areas never rebounded. Now, I don't want to take away from it. The people out there that bust their butts to get it done. I mean, all these people, they've never built a bridge, a road, a car. Nope. Most of them, even a windmill. They don't do anything except run their stupid mouth.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
If they did something and they said, I need a little more for what I do and here's why. But they don't. Nope. And so the left, they really don't have anything productive to say. And I would say just... Message, message, message that you're on the wrong track, this is what works, and the stuff you're doing. And really, this communist progressive agenda ultimately can destroy a country. I mean, if people can't figure that out from Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, China. I actually, I was dumb enough at one point to think, not for long, but trade with China was good. But then when I thought about it, here's a communist country.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's funny you say that, because back in the day, and some of you may not appreciate me saying this, but there was a famous talk show host that was very open about making sure that we did do trade with China early on, and that was Rush Limbaugh. I used to listen to him talk about that, and I disagreed with him in that case. Early on, he was very much for trade with China.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was there for a while. I was in high school or something. I was there for about a a year. I thought I was a big shot because I'd read Free Communist Review or something. And then you figure out what they're really about. is, you know... That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Into Russia's credit, once he realized what China really was all about, that wasn't, you know, he wasn't that way very long, but he was for a little while. That was a big deal, you know, keep in mind, back in the 80s... Did he support most favored status, or no? I don't know about all that, but I just know that he was very much in favor of the free trade we had going back and forth, because the cheap goods that would come in, theoretically, would lower prices.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and that's what I thought at the time, because... The middle class, then and now, I think we're a little greedy. It's like we need more, more, more, more. It's like a cereal commercial or something. And it's like, well, how much is enough? And what do you have when you get to the end? Oh, we want more. Why? Because more is better. So that's what I was thinking then. But really, you're just pulling American jobs away. to make an adversary or would be enemy richer, longer, richer.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. You're exactly right. A hundred percent.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then they use their money to we, and we have to spend more for defense and military.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
But I wonder, you know, back way back then you had Kissinger who I think kind of pimped Nixon into doing trade with China. And I don't think he really did us a favor by doing that. And, That was probably part of kind of this progressive communist, you know, military industrial thing. You can't have, hey, if you don't have an enemy, you can't have a war.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that's true, too. I can't argue that either.
SPEAKER 08 :
So anyway, rather than rambling on.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Somebody said they would assert that it is best to have at least some trade with an adversary just to keep an open line of communication going. I can't deny that depending upon who the country is. For example, we do nothing with North Korea, nor should we. There's an example of we don't need to do any trade with North Korea.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, there are very few who rise to the kook level.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. That is an example of an adversary. But they're extreme. They are extreme, and that's an extreme example I just gave. But that's an exception to that comment that was just made a moment ago by a texter. While I would agree with that, in most cases, there's an example of, yeah, no. For example, would we do business with the Taliban? We shouldn't. No. No. Now, if you're Biden. Well, he would. Why not? He gave him billions. I mean, so there are going to be some of those exceptions to where you probably ought to think twice about doing trade with a particular country.
SPEAKER 11 :
True, very true. I think the texter makes a point, though, in terms of there are geopolitical foes that you're going to have to trade with.
SPEAKER 04 :
And there's that whole argument of you're keeping the enemy closer and all that. Exactly. I get that, yes. Keep the lines of communication. Absolutely, absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and also, when your country has, either your country as a whole or has businesses within it, when they have economic interests in another country, they're going to be less likely to attack that other country.
SPEAKER 04 :
Very true. For obvious reasons. Because money talks.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. You've got big businesses in your country saying, wait a minute, you're going to go attack the place where I have interest.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Where I have trade. No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and the only thing I think you've got to watch really closely there is, for example, China. Right. Do I trust China on any level? No.
SPEAKER 11 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
I do not. There are other countries that I trust, but China is not a country that I trust at all. Now, am I saying we should shut all trade with China off? Of course not. No, we should not shut trade with China off. We need to make the playing field a lot more level than it currently is now. And with the Chinese, do you always have to watch your back with them? Yeah, double. You better have two people watching your back because that's how dishonest those people are. Their leaders? Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Not the citizens, but the leaders of the country, those that are in charge, those that are in power, if you would. Yeah, those guys, those gals, you had better watch your back twice because they will stab you as quickly as they can.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, John, it still just burns me that they infected the entire world and didn't pay any price for it. I know, I know, water under the bridge. Well, they and Fauci, you know, with the help of NIH and so forth. I know it's water under the bridge, but if we had infected the entire world, do you think America would not have to pay anything for it?
SPEAKER 04 :
We would be.
SPEAKER 11 :
Through the nose.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely, we would be. Okay, through the nose. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
It just blows my mind. I mean, it's like we were talking earlier about the nuggets. When you got somebody who can drive to the lane, okay, and get hacked bad, get hacked so bad that he's knocked to the ground into the stands and no call. But you go back the other way and you barely breathe on a guy and they call a foul and it's two shots. That's what it's like between us and China on the world stage. And I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. You infected the world, man. I agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can't argue.
SPEAKER 11 :
You can say it was done purposefully as a weapon, or you can say it was done by mistake because you were foolish in how you handled it. I really don't care, man. You infected the world, and you didn't pay any price at all. And meanwhile, we're the ones paying the price. Just saying.
SPEAKER 04 :
We and the rest of the world, absolutely. And keep in mind, too, on top of everything Andy just said, keep in mind, they got extremely wealthy off of selling a lot of these safety devices we all and a lot of other countries used worldwide. Right. Everything from thermometers to you name it, Andy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and let's keep in mind, they got the number one biggest thing that they wanted. They got Trump out of office.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's true, too.
SPEAKER 11 :
COVID, we have to face facts. COVID removed Trump from office. Before COVID, the Trump economy had made him absolutely bulletproof politically. There was no way he was going to be touched.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. Which, as a reminder to a lot of you listening, I think that's something to remind even the family and friends around you where they may be questioning some of the tactics today. I think that's a good reminder of just remember that prior to COVID, we had the strongest economy the world had ever seen. And I'm not exaggerating in the least when I say that it was the strongest economy the world. The data shows that strongest economy the world's ever seen.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think Reagan also had one.
SPEAKER 04 :
They did not. Awfully good. They didn't come close to the numbers that Trump had at that time. Go look it up. He was the strongest economy of all ever. Absolutely. Look it up. okay yes because gdp growth under reagan just skyrocketed it did under trump as well yeah it did great i i thought they both did great they're the two best presidents of my lifetime point being those people that start asking what's he doing why is he doing this why doesn't he do that because he knows what he's doing um i think because at the end of the day he's a guy that's written some paychecks he understand how business works he understands how the economy in the country works he's done it once before He knows what the deep state's all about and what those knuckleheads are constantly trying to do and how they're always trying to undermine this, that, and the other because they're in it for themselves, not the American people. And Trump knows that.
SPEAKER 11 :
By the way, the guy who's really uncovering the deep state is Musk right now because he's uncovering where the money goes. But let me ask you this. Oh, man, yes, for sure. Is Elon Musk's biggest problem the simple enormity of what he is discovering? There's so much, there's no way to message it. OK, because every single person that he is uncovering, OK, this money went to here, to here, to here, to here and wound up in this politician's pocket. This money went to there, to there, to there, to there and wound up in that donor's pocket. OK, it's all too big. There are so many. Let's just face it. Democrats who are benefiting. from the graft that was our government before Trump. Does Elon have a real messaging problem? How do you put that into a message?
SPEAKER 04 :
Elon typically has a messaging problem in general because the guys, I've said this before, The guy's IQ is so high that his brain is going 10 miles, 100 miles an hour faster than his mouth can keep up. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 11 :
It's like me and you trying to do messaging to a puppy. We don't know what motivates the puppy. We don't get it because we're on a totally different intellectual level.
SPEAKER 04 :
uh and elon we don't really totally different level where there's times i mean i listen to him talk and love the guy i think he's done great for the country great with doge and so on but yes he struggles in that area because andy he is thinking a hundred steps ahead of where everybody else is even those that are really smart he's a hundred steps ahead well that guy who's a hundred steps ahead unfortunately is uncovering thousands and thousands of instances of craft oh geez and
SPEAKER 11 :
How do you compile that into one single penetrating message so that Americans can understand just what's happening here?
SPEAKER 04 :
You know what? And we don't have a lot. We've got one guest in the third hour. We can talk about some of that in the third hour because that's a great – you bring up a great topic because it needs to be – It's too big. It's too big. It needs to be communicated better. This whole hands-off thing that we saw this last weekend are from a bunch of dumb people that have no idea what he's even doing and or they're just so loony that they want to keep things going the same way. They want government theft to continue, I guess. Yep. But last quick question. Aren't they helping us? In a lot of ways, yes, because they make everybody else look sane.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you.
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All right. Also, when we come back. So we've got a special guest joining us. Chris Israel is going to join us. We're going to talk about small business, America first, Trump, a lot of things that we've even been talking about with Andy and I. And Andy are going to get into, I think, some of the things we just mentioned during the break is what are these protesters doing? Are they hurting the cause, our cause, the conservative cause, or are they actually helping it when it's all said and done? And I think Andy and I both would agree that, and we'll tell you why, actually let them protest, let them do their thing, because actually I think at the end of the day they're helping us.
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I think so too.
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They're showing how loony they really are because hands off of what? Waste, fraud, and abuse? Politically, the best thing that happened to us a few years ago was defund the cops. That's exactly right. Another hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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John Rush welcomes listeners to another episode loaded with insights and engaging discussions. With a special focus on personal growth, Rush emphasizes the importance of taking life head-on despite uncertainties. The conversation tackles how solitude and self-reflection are often underrated yet vital components of personal development, as they discuss the modern phenomenon of social media and its influence on our lives. They argue that by allowing ourselves downtime and resisting the urge to constantly seek external validation, we grow more secure in our own identities. Venturing into the sports realm, the episode unpacks the Denver Nuggets’ recent decisions, aiming to revitalize their performance. John and his guests wrestle with the implications of firing a head coach and other staff as a strategic movement to refocus the team’s efforts. They debate how these internal changes could act as a mid-season wake-up call, potentially catalyzing a thrilling campaign in the playoffs. This episode is perfect for listeners interested in personal and athletic transformations alike.
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You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you're scared. And you're scared because if you try and fail, there's only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes.
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did.
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Get a job, sir. You haven't made everybody equal. You've made them the same and there's a big difference.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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All right, welcome. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Happy Tuesday. Myself, Andy, and Charlie. It's a good day, isn't it? Beautiful. Yeah, I sound awful, but actually I feel good. Oh, you feel fine. Yeah, I feel fine. My voice is going away. Those of you that are listening can tell that.
SPEAKER 05 :
John has been going through a little bit of the... It's been a rough week for me last week. What is in the air, pollen or whatever?
SPEAKER 07 :
You name it, and something's got my voice today. I woke up this morning, and I'm like, holy cow, I can't hardly talk. I hate that. It's gotten better as the day's gone by. It was really, really bad this morning, so it's been better now that some of the day has passed. But for somebody that talks on the phone a lot and coaches and does this...
SPEAKER 05 :
Bit of a rough go at times.
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Yeah, not having a voice doesn't work very well. No, it doesn't. Me and laryngitis don't work well. I'm sorry. Anyways, it's all right. Question of the day. Which galaxy is on the collision course with the Milky Way? That was yesterday's question of the day. It is the Andromeda Galaxy?
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Andromeda.
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Is that right? Or Andromeda Galaxy? That's on the collision course. No, I have no idea.
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Now, just so you know, my money is on Andromeda.
SPEAKER 07 :
Gotcha.
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They're really tough.
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Okay. For a billion years from now. So I think we got some time, Andy.
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Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna have to pay off.
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Yeah, no, I think you're good. Okay. I think we'll be long gone by then.
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My descendants, of course, are going to be broke. Go ahead.
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There you go. Today's a possible question answer on the Facebook page. Who wrote the 100 years of solitude? Who wrote 100 years of solitude?
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No clue.
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Beats me. I mean, that is that like a book, I guess.
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I would assume.
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Charlie, book? He doesn't even know. 100 Years of Solitude. There you go.
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Maybe it's a, I don't know, travel guide to the Sahara?
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I'd have to read through this.
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I have no clue.
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Some of you listening will probably inform me. That is beyond my brain. I don't know what that is.
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Okay.
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I've never even heard of it before.
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Okay.
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I would like to have 100 Years of Solitude. No, I wouldn't. That would be awful.
SPEAKER 05 :
How long could you just be alone? Let's say you just went and got some alone time. I don't know what you do in your alone time. Do you just do it at home? Do you go on a ride in the mountains? Do you do whatever? But how long can you just be alone? No wife, no anyone around you?
SPEAKER 07 :
Quite a while, but I'm always doing something. I can't just sit and do nothing. No, no, no, no. I didn't say you're doing nothing. Oh, yeah. I can go a long time.
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Yeah.
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Because I can always fiddle around with something. That's not a problem. There's always something to do. Some car to work on, some projects, some this, some that. There's always something to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. I mean, you're certainly not an antisocial person. But now and then, I mean, you're the opposite of that. But now and then, you need a little time. I mean, I think everybody needs a little time.
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That's right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And in fact, I'm going to go so far as to say too many Americans don't take a little time.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, you're right. I agree with that. Absolutely. You need some time to be alone, reflect, not have any other noise, nothing yapping at you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
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Absolutely, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. I think Americans have really gotten to the point where we'll do anything for other people's approval. And maybe when you disconnect a little bit and realize, wait a minute, I could just be me.
SPEAKER 07 :
Does that make sense? No, we could do a whole hour on this, Andy. There are far too many people. That's the problem with social media. Far too many people. are vying for that approval of someone else right which it's like okay who is this someone else and why do they matter anyways yeah and then you go to the opposite extreme which is like me i think sometimes i drive my own family crazy it's like do you not care what anybody thinks about anything and i'm like yeah no i don't i couldn't do this job and worry about that
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You know, I've really noticed. Am I right? Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Too many darts coming this way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, constantly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. I mean. You couldn't do this job otherwise.
SPEAKER 05 :
John, one thing I've also noticed is that people, they get into one groove. Either I really need a people's approval or I don't. And as they grow older. They deepen that groove. And so when you see somebody, you can think back, geez, I knew Bob when he was in his 30s, and he wasn't so much that way. Now he's a complete recluse, or now Bob always has to have people around nonstop. It just seems to me, whatever you are, you just become more so.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's an interesting perspective. I don't think I can argue with that. I think you're right. And then I think some people are pretty much, I mean, they're fairly me. I've been pretty consistent this way. Even from when I was a kid, Andy, there were times where it's like, okay, I can have people or I can not have people. And there were times even as a kid where it's like, just I'll do my own thing. Leave me be and I'll be just fine at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
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And there were days where it's like, OK, I can go even at six, seven years old, go out in the garage, fiddle around in my dad's garage, tools, whatever. And I'd go out there and do my own thing and everybody else doing something else. And I'm just doing my own thing, which is fine by me.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Every week I go to the movies and I sit alone usually. Now, now and then I got a movie where my wife can go with me. And that's that's I'll tell you what, it's a real treat. Because it's just kind of fun, you know, watching the movie with somebody else.
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But you can have a little bit of conversation back and forth.
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A little conversation. You share it together afterwards. You can talk about what sucked, what was great. Exactly. But I will say this. That ability every Thursday, every Thursday afternoon and evening, and it takes several hours, quite a few hours, because usually the movies don't totally line up, so you've got time in between. Right. And... Just to disconnect and have nobody else in my head.
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Right.
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And just be watching this on the screen and evaluating it by a bunch of different standards. It's kind of nice. It's kind of like some guy who likes to work in his car just getting that Saturday afternoon.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, in the mornings, I typically am kind of you on Thursdays. I kind of have my own, I don't know, hour to two, depending upon what my wife's got going on and so on. But most mornings I've got, you know, an hour or two of I purposely don't schedule any other things, calls, et cetera. And I usually use that for show prep and things like this to where I've got that uninterrupted time of just being able to. You know, what's going on? What can I talk about? What should I talk about? Kind of get the day set and all of that. And for me personally, I need that time. If it's interrupted, it kind of messes the whole day up.
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Yeah. You know what? That's true. If my time, that special time that I need is interrupted, it messes up everything and it's hard for me to recover. I mean, literally, I will find myself going out to the car without my keys. I'll find myself just out of sync. Because everything is out of whack. Exactly. You're right. Well, really quick here. Speaking of show prep, your show prep got a little bit thrown out of joint today with a little bit of news. And thankfully, we've got an expert coming on.
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All right, and we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Yeah, Richard should be joining us here in just one second. And those of you maybe that didn't see any news today at all, and it was a little bit later in the afternoon when it actually came out, and that was Nuggets. They are making some changes. And some of you guys, you know, it doesn't matter. You can care less. But it's big news here in the Denver, you know, front-range market.
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Well, the Nuggets are really the team for Wyoming, New Mexico. Thank you.
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It's a regional team.
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Yeah, New Mexico is kind of the Suns and the Nuggets, or Utah, of course, but the Nuggets are the team for a lot of areas.
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Correct. That's a big deal. Oh, yeah. So they let their coach and some of their head coach and some other staff... And I will tell you, after going to the game myself Sunday night, which we lost by two points, which was an absolute miserable game to go to. And that was the Pacers. That was the Pacers. And it was a fun game, but a miserable game at the same time, Andy.
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Now, I'm a guy from the East, Eastern Conference guy, and I'll tell you what, the Pacers are tough.
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Yeah, we should have beat them, though. We blew it. We missed some shots, did some things that we should have been able to do that we didn't do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Here's the bottom line for me, John. And from the outside looking in, my team already sucks at Milwaukee Bucks. Okay. But... i look at the nuggets and i i have felt now for over a year that they are simply not playing up to their talent i agree with you i think the coach and i don't think the coach had totally lost the locker room last year but i think he did later parts of this year and personally and we'll ask richard about this but personally i think this change had to happen because now this means you go into the playoffs and who knows maybe you get a jolt you got a different voice in their heads Right. And just that different voice in their heads and also just the shock of seeing that upper management looked at your play and got rid of your coach because of it could launch them because they are still loaded.
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They are. We Richard and I were talking actually was yesterday, even just kind of talking about everything you just mentioned and even saying, you know, part of your wish is they wouldn't do well the rest of the year. And let's just go to the draft and be done with it.
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I wouldn't say that because they're too talented, and the rest of the year is only a few games, and it's not going to affect it. But you've got right now, and I'll mention this to Richard too, you've got four teams that are only a half game behind the Nuggets right now, and the Nuggets are sitting, I believe, in fourth place.
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Yeah, they were third as of Sunday, then they dropped.
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Right, they dropped to fourth just barely. So they can still get back up into third if they get hot down the stretch. But here you are in fourth place, but fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth are all literally tied at one half game behind you.
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It's neck and neck, Andy.
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I don't think they could afford to have a coach who has lost a team in there any longer. I don't think you could have that. I think that would be... Just killer for the team.
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And some would say, well, what do you mean by, you know, you've lost the team? You and Richard can actually talk about that. Richard joining us now. Richard, welcome.
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Hello. This is a great day, Dad. Great day. What's better, this day or November 5th?
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This day, Andy, because we don't have tariffs, but that's a different conversation for another day. I will say, I like... I like it. A lot of people, talking to some other fans and friends and such earlier, Andy, I like it because, well, I'll just say this. I think that if this isn't an organization, because some people are saying, why now? You've got three games left in the regular season. If you're going to fire him, just fire him after the season. I think this shows that you're serious, right? If you're going to take the steps to fire your head coach and basically let your general manager go because his contract wasn't going to be renewed, you're basically telling the team. We expect more out of you. And these guys aren't getting it done. So you guys are either going to get it done or you're going to be gone. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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You think there's some shock value here. Because I agree. I totally think they're putting a bit of a shock into the team. They're looking at this team right now underperforming under this coach. And the coach has lost the locker room. I believe he's lost it. And because of that, they're looking at a very talented team that is struggling against mid-level teams. And they're saying, look... We need to shock you because you are not ready for the playoffs. Who knows? Light a fire? You never know. They've still got plenty of talent.
SPEAKER 14 :
They do, Andy. I mean, I still think no matter what, I'll be honest, I don't think they make a run in the playoffs. I think that they've got a couple – I'll just say mainly Jamal Murray. Whether he's healthy or not, he vastly underperformed the contract that he signed. He is eligible, however, Andy, to be traded this offseason. And so I think that, again, this is maybe even a wake-up call to him. Because, honestly, the only untouchable player on this team, Andy, is Nikola Jokic. And that's as it should be. He's the best player in the world, and he just turned 30. You've got to think he's still got several more really good years in front of him.
SPEAKER 05 :
He does.
SPEAKER 14 :
He can be as elite as possible, and especially his game. I think his game really translates incredibly. even more than LeBron does or Steph does.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, he's not going to really age out of his game very quickly because his game is what it is. He is a tremendous – he's the best offensive player on the planet right now. I think he's a real defensive liability, but that shouldn't be a problem. Your team, when you've got that kind of an offensive – juggernaut, then the other four have to get it together on defense and let them rest a little at that end of the court. And I think they're letting them down.
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Absolutely. Andy, the thing is he turns it on defensively when he needs to. He understands that if he was to expel as much energy as needed on defense, it wouldn't be there for offense. Again, I'm not saying that he's an excellent defensive player because he's never been a big rim protector, shot blocker, or anything like that. But he's very strategic, and he will be very smart with his play in terms of swatting the ball at different times. But I'm with you, Andy. Outside of all that, you have the semantics. I think it was a needed reset. I think Michael Malone... I think Michael Malone is a lot like Sean Payton, Andy, in that their style, which is a brash style, works when you're winning and when you're doing well. And then when you're not winning and you're not doing so well, players can really... sour on that style very quickly and i'm not saying i'm a big players coach i'm not a big players coach guy right you know all these players coach well typically players coaches i'll be honest bill belichick wasn't a players coach right drake popovich as much as i can't stand that guy isn't a players coach and they didn't you know they won lots of championships not being players coaches so i think that the idea of being a players coach is sort of overrated but i also think that there's sort of this middle ground and happy medium and And, Andy, you've got infighting going on, right? You have the GM and the head coach fighting each other, talking behind each other's backs all throughout the organization. It's really just an unhealthy environment as a whole. And I think ownership in the Cronkies, who it is, looked at it and said, they said it best on one of the sports radios today. It was like looking back in the backseat, Dad, you did this plenty, telling the kids if you don't knock it off, I'm going to come back. We're going to pull this car over. Well, the car just got pulled over.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. Yeah, it did. And you actually threw a couple kids out and you drove away. That's right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, and the Cronkies are saying, the rest of you guys in the bus, in the car, we expect more out of you. If you do not perform, there will be massive changes. And again, Andy, you have to do this because when you have the best player on the planet, already, in my opinion, a top ten player in league history, and arguably could end up top five depending on how the rest of his career goes, which is crazy to say because I think there's some very, very... Very good NBA players, Andy, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I think he could be top five. I don't have him as my number one player. Right now I have SGA as my number one. I have Jokic as two. But because SGA to me, both ends of the court.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wow. I think Jokic is more valuable to us. Because I think if you pull SGA off of that team, Oklahoma City is so deep, they're still a playoff team. Barely, though. They're not a one seed. Yeah, but Andy, you pull Jokic off of the Nuggets, they're maybe winning 20 games. If they're lucky.
SPEAKER 05 :
I wouldn't go that bad, but you're right. There would be an enormous drop-off. A couple years ago when they won it all, I told you going into the playoffs, I said you could literally pull Jokic and this team would win it all anyway. They were that loaded. They were that deep. And also they were that coordinated, listening to their coach. It was all working. They could have won it all without Jokic that year. They were that much of a juggernaut. They were that much of a machine that And now I see them relying more and more, especially on the offensive end on Jokic.
SPEAKER 14 :
They're just so out of sorts, Andy. No one except for Jokic, although what's crazy, Andy, is as much as they actually do need shot making, they need some couple good three-point guys, they actually have, when Jokic is on the floor, the highest-rated offense in league history, basically, when Jokic is on the floor. Oh, yeah, they're great. When he's off the floor, they are so bad. And then defensively, so when you combine those things, It's really, and to me, Andy, Jokic makes it easy to piece a team together. You need some guys who can knock down some open shots, right, which if you're in the NBA shouldn't be too hard to find.
SPEAKER 05 :
Agreed, because he'll find them. He'll find them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. He will find them open. So to me, Andy, this was the absolute biggest wake-up call. And I'm glad that they didn't keep Booth, their GM Calvin Booth. Again, I'm not necessarily happy anyone lost their job. Those guys will be fine.
SPEAKER 05 :
Never fear. No, but you're totally right. Clean sweep is what you needed. And also, you know why you get rid of Coach NGM in a situation like this? That way you're not scapegoating one instead of the other. You're saying, no, this was team. That's right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, Andy, you're 100% correct. And then from a hiring standpoint, depending on who they decide to bring in, and honestly, the guy that they promoted, Andy, David Adelman, is kind of the head coach, the interim head coach. He's the son of Rick Adelman, right, which was the Houston Rockets coach for a long time.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good coach.
SPEAKER 14 :
He's a really good coach, I think. And I think he's going to get a chance to show if he can do it or not. And I think that there's something to be said for that.
SPEAKER 05 :
They're going to play better.
SPEAKER 14 :
And if he can do it, then great. Exactly. You bring in a GM that can match that. And if he doesn't, Andy, and his team falters or they get swept in the first round or whatever it might be, you bring in a whole new thing. You get Jokic's opinion on who they're going to bring in. And you start over. And, again, Andy, when you have Jokic, you don't necessarily need to go through this long, drawn-out rebuild, right? You sort of retool Jokic. Change the roster a bit, and you go after it again next year, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I agree. And because when you've got a guy like that, he is in his prime, and his prime is going to extend another three, four years at least. And you've got to use that. You know, I don't think that – I think this team is going to play better overnight. I really do. And as I was telling your dad here, they've got four teams, literally four teams, only a half game behind them right now in the race for that fourth spot. And, you know, they really can't falter, and they were faltering. The way they were playing under Malone, they were not going to be a home team entering into the playoffs. Now, with this change, they at least have a very good chance of being a home team. I don't think they're going to beat Oklahoma City. Once again, you and I disagree slightly on SGA. Yeah, OKC has other good players, They rely so much on the gravity that SGA brings to himself. He is such a threat everywhere. So athletic. So devastating. And he gets back, and he's so good on defense. But the fact is, they have him. Okay? They have SGA, and the rest of their team is playing better around him than the Nuggets are playing around Jokic.
SPEAKER 14 :
That is the key, Andy. I'm with you. I think that this is their opportunity to say it. And, Dad, I'll ask you. You've gone and seen games, and you're not a huge fan. but you understand business and you understand team building. And what I would say, and you saw, you almost kind of saw it from afar the other night and you kind of told me something needs to happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I know. We were talking about it yesterday because I went to the game Sunday night and I Reality is there's no bench. They put their second string in and blew literally a 10-point lead, which had I been Malone, it was like 11-point lead, actually. Had I been Malone, I would have stopped that at about five or six and put my other team back in. Those are coaching mistakes, by the way, and it's all said and done. We lost the other night by two points and shouldn't have.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, if you wait until the other team is within two or three, now, even when you put your starters in, Richard, they got all this momentum. It's too late. The other team, they've got all their shots are dropping. Yep.
SPEAKER 14 :
That was a lot of critique and a lot of criticism from a lot of people is Malone sort of sticks his schedule and works in the playoffs because Jokic likes to be subbed out, kind of the first part of the second quarter, first part of the fourth quarter, right? It's like for six or seven minutes total game time, right? Not a lot. And that's his... idea right he loves to you know love to kind of be swapped out in those moments unless he's in foul trouble or whatever it is everyone talked about Malone and he didn't adjust to when you needed to adjust to and I get that you you want to cater to a player but just some of his lineup choices just weren't working and weren't playing and honestly at the end of the day and I hate to say this about a guy losing his job but just sometimes you lose you kind of lose the room in that People stop listening to you. And if people stop listening, especially in sports, Andy, we see it time and time again in the NFL. Things can go south quick, even with great teams. And I think the Nuggets still have a lot of great talent. They can make a run. I do agree with you there, whether they do or not is up for debate. But I think that they can. And I think that this was sort of the... The Cronkies saying, you know what, we've got to take a chance on this to try, and then we'll make the changes after the season if we need to further make changes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Really quick here, my last question. How much of this do you put on the GM, Richard? And what I mean is this. You've already kind of made the point. When you've got a player like Jokic, and I'm more down on his defense than you are. I think he's a liability. I don't think that's that huge of a deal, though. You've got to surround a guy like that with three and D players. And for those who don't know what that means, guys who can jack up three pointers because he can find them, but they can also get back and they're great on defense. They can lock down defense because if you don't have those kind of players around him, you're going to waste him. And I don't think they have enough of those. And that to me is a missing component in the chemistry for what they've put together. Even when they've got their star guard lighting it up, he's not a very good defender. I don't see you guys having the defenders you need to surround this guy to be tougher at the other end of the court.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, no, you're 100% correct. We don't. And the biggest disconnect between Malone and Booth is Booth wanted to sort of build for the future and getting draft picks and drafting guys. And granted, the new CBA makes it difficult to add veterans and things that Malone wanted. He's a veteran coach. He likes the veteran players. and he doesn't like to take chances on the young guys, and you sort of have to blend that with a guy like Jokic, right? I mean, you do need some young guys, but at the same time, Andy, and I'm not going to necessarily side with Malone on this, but I do get where he's coming from, you kind of want to push all your chips in for the next four years, and then you deal with the effects afterwards. Agreed. Because once Jokic is gone... you've got to figure out what's going to go on. But honestly, once he's gone, you've got to figure that out anyways. You might as well push all your chips in now, figure out how to win now, win another title or two, which you should do with the best player on the planet. Again, we're talking about how good Jokic is. You've got to do that. So I think that a lot of it, Andy, to your question, is on Booth because I think that he didn't do some of those things. He tried to go young. And I think you're seeing some of the young players come on a little bit, which is great, Andy, but to what expense, right? What did you lose today? in order to gain that. And I think that hopefully you'll see them kind of find that fine line this offseason, kind of figure out what they need to do.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, we'll get into tariffs and a few things like that as we roll through the program. But I had a topic today that I wanted to get to. And granted, we were going to do it either way, regardless of what was going on with the news of the Nuggets and so on. And that is still some of the transition happening here in the Colorado GOP. For a lot of you, by the way, that were very accusatorial of KBB and the changeover that happened when Dave Williams and crew came in. There was a lot of, you know, they left us broke. They didn't do this. They didn't do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, this current administration isn't blaming the past administration on anything other than maybe the speed of some of this transition. That's about the only thing I've seen. But this whole lawsuit against certain individuals, which, by the way, needs to be completely dropped. Oh, yeah. that the, you know, Matt Arnolds of the world are still rolling forward because he and his quote-unquote committee feel like they are indispensable.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, this, and by the way, the lawsuit is basically, I just want to clarify here, it's because of the coup, because they say it was an illegal coup. Basically, yes. Okay, John, the final vote that was held, you know, the pinnacle of the coup, 8-24, that vote, Was deemed legal by the courts. That meeting was deemed legal with a legal quorum. The reason that vote did not wind up removing Dave Williams is because of the judge's interpretation of the bylaws. Right. A Democrat appointed judge came in and just let I'm just going to say my opinion that judge wanted Dave kept in place. Absolutely. So that judge came in and changed the outcome, the outcome by saying this. No, no, no. You can't just get 60 percent of the people present of attending members of attendees. It's got to be of all. It's got to be of the entire state central committee.
SPEAKER 07 :
OK, by the way, that's not how to your point. You've put this on Facebook here recently. That's not even how the chair is currently elected.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. So how ironic. Right. The chair is elected by members who are present. Right. Not by the entire. Right. So shouldn't the chair be removed by those who are present? Now, don't get me wrong. It should be a higher percentage. I think you need a higher threshold than 50% to remove somebody. Right. And, you know, people are bouncing around with that. Well, should it be 60, 65, 70, whatever? I think, you know, two thirds is fine. You know, whatever. But it should be of those present. Right. In other words, if you want this to happen, show up. Yeah, here's the bottom line. If you require two-thirds of the entire body, it's never going to happen. That makes every leader completely bulletproof. Now, imagine if we'd gotten Laurie Sane, who is Rhino Watch's person, okay? And she had gotten in and two-thirds of the entire membership was required to remove her. It would have been impossible. Think about that. She would have had godlike power.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolute power. I mean, absolute. Which Dave did as well. She could have done anything she wanted. Which Dave did. Which Dave did too, but she would have continued it. Okay, here's the thing. Getting back to the lawsuit, the lawsuit was suing the people who brought, you know, the coup, as they call it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Really quick, by a committee that was formed by Dave Williams and his admin. That followed bylaws. That's right. So now the new chair and... You know, leadership. Britta and her team has come in and has basically said, no, we're not doing that. We're disbanding that. But yet you've got guys like Matt Arnold saying, oh, no, no. What you say doesn't count. We're moving forward. We're up. We're like this church committee that we're never going to go away now. We're here forever.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you know why? Right. Yeah, because they're being paid to do it. As long as they keep this lawsuit going, they're getting money to do this.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, and I'll say this publicly, shame on you, Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Shame on you. You know better than this. Shame on you, Matt.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, I don't know Matt's involvement versus the other lawyers. I don't care.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't know where that comes from. Shame on you, Matt. He's the leader. He's the guy that's always publicized as to who's leading this particular committee. Shame on you, Matt.
SPEAKER 05 :
He's part of the committee that was the Anti-Corruption Committee. I don't know how involved he is.
SPEAKER 07 :
They call it the Colorado Republican State Party Controversy Investigative Committee. It's the CRS PCIC.
SPEAKER 05 :
That is by very definition a witch hunt committee. Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that is led by Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. That committee is led by Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, Matt, you should disband your own committee on the basis of the current chair. Once it disbanded, you should go away. It's a done deal.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah. I mean, that committee was put in place by a leadership that isn't there anymore.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 05 :
The new leadership doesn't want a committee that simply targets political enemies.
SPEAKER 07 :
For all of you listening, this would be no different than a business or a church, let's say, because churches operate a lot like what the Colorado GOP does as far as the way things are done. voluntarily how things are elected and so on. There's a lot of, I'm not joking, a lot of similarities, not all denominations, but there's a fair amount of denominations, Andy, whereby the way things are handled inside of the church, leadership's elected, the pastor's brought in and so on, not much different than the way the Colorado GOP is run. It's very, very similar as far as how that works. Robert rules of order for the meetings and this, that, and the other. The realities are very similar. My point is, if you've got an old committee under an old pastor, and all of a sudden the new pastor comes in, a new board comes in, typically speaking, Andy, if the new guys don't want the old committee to exist, it's disbanded, correct?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 07 :
How is this any different?
SPEAKER 05 :
It isn't, and in fact, let me use another word that we've heard a lot, deep state. What they basically did, the Williams team put in place a deep state To either serve Laurie Sane, continuing what they did, or to oppose her opponent, Britta Horne, if she were to win. Here's the big problem here, John. They're trying to sue against about a coup, what they call an illegal coup. But how can it be an illegal coup? When the final vote that was taken was deemed legal by the courts. It was. So the final vote, you could say, well, yeah, but they didn't have enough votes. Yeah, yeah. They didn't have enough votes because you changed the number needed. That's fine. OK, we all honor that. Dave stayed in until the end of his term. We get that. OK, but that doesn't make the coup illegal. In fact, all they did was follow bylaws and hold a legal vote at a legal meeting. So ruled by the courts. To pursue this any further is ludicrous. I don't understand the point. You can't win. I mean, I guess, I don't know. Maybe you could. I guess the more Democrat-appointed judges... Because, look, Democrat-appointed judges want that group to win as much as possible. That's why they kept Dave in place. That's my opinion. I agree with you.
SPEAKER 01 :
Just my opinion. I agree with you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. But I just think that this is... crazy and it needs to end here's the bottom line you now have new people in charge those new people in charge did not set up this committee no this committee that is there to target people based on quote unquote you know and they have said it's disbanded meaning matt arnold go home
SPEAKER 07 :
You're done. So really quick.
SPEAKER 05 :
They're doing like Trump. They're coming in and saying, I don't need this. I don't need this. I don't need this. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Got a question that came in from a texture asking about the pizza gate. I guess that happened.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Explain some of what went on in regards to the pizza thing at the last meeting.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I only know a few little things here, but basically, I guess Britta Horn bought pizza.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, good for her.
SPEAKER 05 :
For people who were there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
And to my knowledge, I even saw, because I was watching online. I couldn't make it to the meeting, but I voted online.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Britta even came out and announced, hey, there's still pizza left. It was there for everybody, and anybody could get pizza. And apparently, who's the guy from Rhino Watch? chuck chuck apparently chuck from rhino watch uh grabbed a whole pizza okay now i personally wouldn't care he's probably bringing it back to a group of people that you know his his peeps who cares to me it's petty and apparently somebody said well you shouldn't take the whole thing and they got into a back and forth about that and then all the um as I'm going to call them, Davidians.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, the Davites.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, who follow Chuck, who follow Rhino. The Rhino Watchers, the Davidians, are then coming out and basically saying, we were denied pizza. They even put this on in Rhino Watch, saying that they only wanted to provide pizza for their supporters. First of all, by the way, would there be any problem? First of all, by the way, they offered the pizza to everybody. But secondly, would it have been a problem if the pizza was only for their supporters? I mean, would it be bad for Britta and her team to provide pizza for their supporters? Is there something wrong with that if they had done that?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, but they didn't do that.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, they didn't do that. They actually gave it to their supporters and anyone else.
SPEAKER 07 :
And those that were against them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they brought a lot of pizza and said, eat it up. Britta even said, we got too much left. People, come on, grab some pizza. Right. She didn't say, supporters of me, come and grab some pizza.
SPEAKER 07 :
She didn't say, no Rhino Watch people allowed.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, she didn't say that.
SPEAKER 07 :
I would have. No, but apparently... No, I wouldn't have even done that then.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, of course not. You wouldn't have, but it's fun to talk about on the radio. Yes, yes. But, John, apparently one or two members who support Britta were so mad at them And, you know, there's so much heat that goes back and forth that they probably, it has been alleged that they said, okay, you've had enough or you don't get any more or whatever. Is that true? Is that not? It's he said, she said. Who cares? The point is, who cares? Right. It's pizza. And as I said online in my post, somebody please buy Rhino Watch some pizza. I'll chip in. I'll chip in to help them have some pizza.
SPEAKER 07 :
What a bunch of whiners.
SPEAKER 05 :
My. They're whining about pizza.
SPEAKER 07 :
Whiners. Now, going back to this whole committee, I want to make sure that we're setting the record straight on this and that everybody out there listening understands. This has been part of the complaint. that I've had ever since Dave took over, and I've been talking about Dave's removal long before anybody else in media actually did. It's funny, I read all these articles, and I never get any credit for this, by the way. It's always everybody else that gets credit for wanting to remove Dave, and my name's never mentioned, which, whatever, I'm okay with that.
SPEAKER 05 :
I'm so used to leading the way on some things. On this one, I clearly, I must say, I'm second. You were first.
SPEAKER 07 :
I wanted him gone from almost the get-go. You were first in the state. And again, part of it is because he's a petty little man, and this is an example of how petty he is. This particular committee, which is nothing but a witch hunt against people he doesn't like, It's as simple as that. He left it in place as a cancer for the new people. That's right. He left it there. And now these people, because it's a committee formed under Dave, are basically saying that, nope, we have bylaw authority. We are staying. We are not going anywhere. I'm not sure, Andy, at this point, how you get rid of them. Stop paying them? I don't know. How do you get rid of them?
SPEAKER 05 :
I don't know. I would have to dig deeper into the bylaws. I mean, it just blows my mind. I would think at the next meeting you could hold a vote and say, hey, do you want to keep this committee? And the committee, I guarantee you, would be voted out.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, because it's costly.
SPEAKER 05 :
It's costly.
SPEAKER 07 :
You might spend money on this.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, people are going to say, we don't need this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, this is money that we could be spending on candidates.
SPEAKER 05 :
The Davidians. Yeah, the Davidians, I think, are still over half of the SEC. However, it would only be the hardcore Davidians, which would probably be around 30%, who would say, yeah, keep it at the most. I think around two-thirds at least would say not dump it.
SPEAKER 07 :
So do it that way. Hold a meeting. Keep this in mind, folks that are listening, those of you that are listening. even mad in all of his wonderful lawyer-ness skills and so on, there's no guarantee that even what he's going after, he'll win on.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, he won't win.
SPEAKER 07 :
This is a witch hunt that he most likely will not win and just have a lot of wasted money instead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, totally. John, it was a lot of waste of money before. We have to keep in mind that the meeting to oust Dave was declared legal. Correct. Okay, now what does that mean? Because that meeting was supposed to happen back in June. Think about this for a moment. Correct. That meeting was supposed to happen back in June, over four months before the election, before election season, at a good time, get it out of the way, choose up or down, do we keep Dave or go with somebody else? Boom, right? Right. Dave launched lawsuit after lawsuit after complaint after delay tactic. He said, no, I'm going to hold this meeting at a different. I forget if it was the 11th of July or 19th or whatever. And they held that meeting only to table the meeting until August 30th. So they held a meeting where they didn't even hold a vote on Dave. only to table it until August 30th. In other words, he wanted to delay it right into election season so he could tell everybody, which he did, look at what they're doing. Here we're in the middle of an election season, and we're trying to win for our team, and they're trying to oust their leader during a time like this. How can you do this during an election? By the way, those three words, during an election, Dave and his people probably used those three words 89 million times. Yep. And the whole reason it was done during the election is because of them. So they spent tens and tens and tens, and you and I both believe, over $100,000 doing nothing but trying to save Dave's backside. All that money was taken out of the pockets of our candidates.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I've seen some of the things online excusing some of the behavior of Dave and others. And Andy, all I can do is really just sit there and just shake my head and say to myself, boy, you people really aren't very smart, are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sorry, you're not very intelligent.
SPEAKER 05 :
Anybody who follows them at this point, all I can do is sit back and just say, The only way you follow him is anytime you hear the facts, you yell rhino and run away.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, John, how many Republicans complain about what Trump is facing with two groups? Judges? Who have been left in there to poison the well for him, right? And make it hard and try to stop his entire agenda. And the deep state that he's trying to root out, root out, root out all over the place. That's why he's using Doge. That's why he's having all the leaders of all the departments fire people left and right, right? Okay. So he is dealing with Biden put in place all kinds of people, thousands of people throughout the entire system who are there for one reason. to make it difficult for the new guy to govern, correct? Trip up the new guy. Right. Also, the judges are in the way. Now, let me ask you this. What is the old regime, the Williams regime, using to hold up Brita? Two things. Okay? The legal process. which is judges right right they okay so the legal process they still want lawsuits and then in fact they leave a committee there in place to do exactly that that's right and they poison the well with people who are in place who are going to undermine you from within and also they're going to continue trying to place you know throughout the entire state precinct leaders who can vote people into voting positions we talked about that last time that's right They are doing everything exactly to Brita that Biden did to Trump.
SPEAKER 07 :
How could people not see this? This is like the Democrat playbook, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is the Democrat playbook. It is exactly the Democrat playbook. I don't know why they can't see that. John, I remember when I went to Colorado Christian University. to become a minister. And I remember when I was there, I was listening to a few of the teachers, several of the teachers in Bib Studies and some of these others, and they were talking very liberal. And they were talking actually, this is when Colorado Christian University was left-wing. It isn't now, it's right-wing. And I was just like, wait a minute, they're saying everything I just came out of. Are you with me? Yep. Okay. I'm also a former Democrat. I'm with you. So here I'm watching everything that Williams and his team have been doing. And it's all using the exact same strategies that the left uses. All of it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Same playbook.
SPEAKER 05 :
All of it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. And what I don't understand.
SPEAKER 05 :
Lawfare is their biggest thing. Lawfare is their favorite. Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Some of you that are out there, you know, I see on social media and other places and so on, and I read some of this stuff, and I just think to myself, you're really not this dumb and blind. You can't be. You can't be that much of a blind follower to not think for yourself and realize the things Andy and I are talking about right now. You cannot be that dumb and blind.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. They can't. I believe they know they're lying, and they don't care. I think they're operating sheerly out of rage.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think, Andy, you are correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
They want to hurt people. They put Dave Williams in place for one purpose. Yes. Purge.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. And, folks, I've said this before, and I'll close with this. I've got enough time. I can explain this. Again, I've been on this program for 11 years now. So I'd have to go back and look at how many actual election cycles, Andy, that is, several, by the way. And I've interviewed a lot of the same people that I'm even talking about that I watch post and that I watch on that Dave Williams side of the aisle. And my feeling is, and I really had questions back then when I was interviewing a lot of these people thinking, okay, what's your real problem? motive here for getting elected in other words are you really doing this for all the right reasons or are you what you and i have now started calling a political grifter are you just in this for the money are you in this because you're the power you can get the job the power all the other things that go along with it and then on top of that are you in this for the power so that your side your hardcore side that you feel indebted to for whatever reason, is it because of that that you're doing what you're doing? And now you're going to turn a blind eye to everything else that makes sense and is actually the truth, but you're going to deny all of that just like flat earthers deny around earth.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Look, we can look at KBB and say, geez, you know, in some ways we thought she could have done a better job or whatever. She could have. KBB and her people never came into place to purge other people.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, they did not. They did not.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
For all of her lack of leadership skills, which, yes, she had a lot of. I'm sorry. I'll say it like it is. I've never not said things like they should be, Andy. Her leadership skills lacked in a lot of areas. I'll give her that. But she never did what you just said.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, she didn't do any of this. Okay. And not just she, but her followers. Her followers never wanted to purge. Nope.
SPEAKER 07 :
They don't want to kick anybody out of the party.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, they didn't want to kick anyone out. Britta doesn't want to kick anybody out.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
But one group does. And the only reason they put Dave in place was to get those they didn't like I'm telling you what, that's pretty rough.
SPEAKER 07 :
I am thoroughly convinced, Andy, the only reason why more of these individuals don't come against you and I in this program on a more routine basis publicly is because they know, A, we have enough followers that would shut them down. True. B, they don't have enough facts to actually stand on top of what they would actually accuse us of doing. And then lastly, there's just there's no standing. They have no ability. It's why you and I collectively in our show hardly ever get mentioned in any of these things that go on social media wise because they don't have a leg to stand on.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know Rhino Watch always puts out these articles that seem like they're answering us, but they never meant. They never mention us. It's so funny.
SPEAKER 07 :
They never mention us one time, but you know they're answering us. You are 100% correct, Andy. That is absolutely right. So, all right. Two more hours coming your way, guys. Stay tuned. Amy Robbins is going to join us here in just one moment. She is from Parler. Joins us from time to time. We'll talk to her in just a minute. Myself, Andy, and Charlie will be right back. Hour two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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And we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and Chris Israel joining us now. And Chris is with the Alliance of U.S. Startups and Inventors for Jobs. It is the USIJ. Welcome, Chris. How are you?
SPEAKER 16 :
I'm great, John. Great to be with you this evening.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I appreciate you joining us. I am a small business owner, have been since I was 22 years of age, so a very long time. The America First agenda, which we saw the first time around with Donald Trump, and we're now seeing again. You're seeing some of that. Andy and I spent the last hour talking about tariffs and all sorts of things that are going on. And, of course, the markets, Chris, don't like what's going on. But I, as a small business owner, do.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, look, and I mean, small businesses drive America, right? I mean, you're entrepreneurs like yourself and millions of others across the country. And those are the folks we work with and try to support every day. I mean, these are companies that have to put great ideas to work, try to find a market for them, try to find investors to have as much confidence as they do. And you're right, President Trump And his first term was great. We focus a lot on the intellectual property issues. So this idea that, you know, you go out there as a small business, if you're innovative, and there's so many of them in Denver and great, great sectors, you know, you're getting patents and you're trying to enforce those. You're trying to, you know, stop the Chinese from infringing on your IP. And you're trying to just find your place in the market. And what the US IP system does is it really gives you that legal framework.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and as somebody that I've watched for years, some of that stuff get literally destroyed by the likes of a China. Yeah, any time we can level the playing field, I guess you could say, Chris, I'm all for. How would you, though, answer some of those folks that are out there? Because there are these people out there like, well, you know what? I like my cheap China crap. I like buying my cheap China crap, and I want to continue to see it come in. I guess I kind of look at that as a small business owner and say, well, you may like it, but really, at the end of the day, is that what's best for America?
SPEAKER 16 :
yeah it's you know it's hard to put the the long-term perspective on that right and i mean and you know we're all consumers and have kids and need to you know get things but you're you're right and so much of that is and the trump administration has put a number of things in in place one thing they did is uh eliminated a loophole that allows small kind of small parcels things under 800 dollars to come directly shipped from china so you know, it just levels that playing field. And, you know, the downside of that is obvious. And you and others, I'm sure, studied it for years, right? I mean, most of those things are produced with slave labor and in awful conditions. So, I mean, as consumers, I think, you know, we've all got a responsibility to take a hard look and where we can
SPEAKER 17 :
support the u.s supply chain like the president's trying to do and support u.s industry i mean that's that has to be the number one priority i think and i know this is a hard message to get out chris but personally and you know i see this on you know i came out of the auto industry that was my background still is and so i've seen a lot of things come out of you know china when it comes even the auto industry and things along those lines now in saying all of that Do I know that there is a distinct difference in the majority, and I'm going to go as high as, Chris, 90% of goods that you would purchase if it says made in China versus made, I hate to say this, but anywhere else, but especially the U.S. of A., there is, in most cases, 90% of the time, I believe, going to be a quality difference. How do we communicate that to the American public?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I mean, look, I mean, I think people know and see the difference. I mean, you mentioned autos, and, you know, China's making a real push to get into the automotive sector, and they've stolen a lot of American intellectual property. Yes, they have. To try to leapfrog and jump, and that's kind of the core of that. A lot of things are... wrong with that communist business model obviously it's not a business model it's just a dictatorship but right you know they they they take the best they steal the best technology they can find from around the world and then they they deploy it with capital from the government and labor that's that's subsidized and you know and then they try to then they try to go out and compete with vehicles made made here or made in other competitive places and they just they they they lose the quality test, right? I mean, they're just, they're just some standard in a lot of, in a lot of ways. And I think that's what one of the key things the president's really latched onto here and, and is really trying to point out to people that, you know, there's this, there's a reason that, that, that it's so much cheaper and there's a reason that it's flooding into our market. And he's saying, look, It's just got to be reciprocal. We're just not going to stand by anymore and let these substandard products flood into our market. We're going to put a price tag on them when they hit the ports and let American companies try to compete.
SPEAKER 09 :
Chris, the only thing that I don't understand, and by the way, I'm totally in on Trump's entire strategy. I love it, okay? But he wants China to eliminate our deficit, our trade deficit with them. How ultimately could that possibly be attained when China just has such, such, such cheaper labor?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's... I, you know, the president's got a great team around him and I do think they have a plan and a strategy here and they've got a line of sight on a goal. But, you know, the other piece of that, which is so tough, is we are just such a big consuming nation.
SPEAKER 17 :
We just consume. That's right.
SPEAKER 16 :
We're the biggest thing, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
I talked about that earlier. We're the biggest customer, Chris.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, we're just the biggest customer. So we're always, I think, and we're just going to buy more and consume more Because we've built a great middle class. And I heard your conversation earlier, John and Andy, where you were talking about the standard of living and the wage differential, right? So we're just going to be a consuming nation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah, and how can a country full of people making $4,000 to $10,000 a year even be the kind of buyers for our products to where we can sell equal amounts there as they sell here? I don't understand it. Granted, I understand they are a much larger market because they have far more people.
SPEAKER 17 :
1.4 billion.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but I don't know how that balances out.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I don't know. It's a good question. I don't know if we're ever going to get to, like, parity, where there's just zero trade deficit.
SPEAKER 09 :
But we don't need to, do we?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and I think, really quick, guys, I think just to both of you guys, I think the only way you can get close to being equal is you've got to get China to buy more of their, quote-unquote, energy, raw goods, things like that, from us versus other countries. That's one way you could level the playing field. Everything from coal, natural gas, things like that, that they do not have, oil even,
SPEAKER 16 :
us right yeah and i think the i think the president's starting with fairness right i mean i think he realizes the first step that's a long journey but i think he realizes you got to take the first step and the first step is reciprocity you know we just have to treat each other we're going to treat you like we like you treat us and we just have to start with that you know we have to you know when you're subsidizing and completely building your own industry's and you know providing subsidized labor and capital and you're you're stealing our ip we've got to eliminate that from the system like whether or not we'll ever get to exact parity you know maybe but i think he's you know he's making the right first step and i think he realizes it's long overdue um and so you know godspeed to the plan um yeah you know i think i think it hopefully will build more opportunities for great small businesses in America. He's got a strong conviction about intellectual property. He did his first term. I think he still truly believes we have to protect it. It's a constitutional right. It's right there in Article I, Clause 8 of the Constitution. So I think he stays focused on those principles.
SPEAKER 17 :
Chris, how do folks find Alliance of U.S. Startups and Inventors for Jobs? We're at usij.org. Okay. Easy to find, and welcome everyone there. I'll put that in my notes. I appreciate it very much. Great. Thanks, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
Chris, thank you very much.
SPEAKER 17 :
Have a great evening. And really quick, Andy, just kind of dovetail back into it. Just really quick, looked up. I kind of knew this off the top of my head, but I want to double-check to make sure that I was accurate. They actually do import a lot of machinery and transportation equipment.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 17 :
Energy stuff I mentioned, that's a big one that they have to import because they just don't have it. Believe it or not, they still import raw materials such as iron ore, scrap, things along those lines, which I didn't know they imported because I thought they were an exporter of a lot of that. And they actually, which this makes sense because they don't have oil, they import a lot of organic chemicals and plastics, believe it or not.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that would make sense.
SPEAKER 17 :
Because they just don't have the ability to make that on their own.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean, they're Russia's biggest customer.
SPEAKER 17 :
Which I think maybe that's some of what Trump is looking at is instead of Russia being your biggest supplier, granted they're closer, but hey, can we get a piece of this action?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Page. John, quick question here before we go to Joe. Wouldn't it be great? I'm talking utopia here for a second, okay? Right now, we grow so much corn for the most worthless product in the universe. It's called ethanol. It is the dumbest thing in the world, okay? It is just awful. And we do that. What if Trump could line up agreements with these nations, not just, okay, you're going to lower your tariffs, we'll lower ours, but also we want you to buy more of our grain and we can get out of the ethanol business. Because you can't just do that right away. No, you have to transition. But you've got to line up buyers. That's correct.
SPEAKER 17 :
So we can actually sell food for food. What do you think? Great idea. I'm all for it. Get it done. I think that's a great plan. Absolutely. Yeah, I'd be all for that. And by the way, I think most of those farmers would be as well, because they know exactly what you're saying as well. They just do it because they're getting paid. Right. Joe, you're up.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, just before the top of the hour break, you said something, and if I'm paraphrasing you incorrectly, please correct me, but you were commenting on some of these protesters and how ridiculous they are. I think you said... You know, they whine, they chant, they yell, they scream. Some of them even cry. You know, they might call you names. I like the criers. I do. So, John, did I misquote you at all in terms of how you characterize them?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, that's pretty much what they do.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they're mean, too, Joe.
SPEAKER 17 :
And they're mean. I didn't say that part, but they're also mean.
SPEAKER 06 :
They're mean, too. Anyway, so what struck me is I just got done recording my weekly podcast, and my quote of the week was from Thomas Sowell. We all know Thomas Sowell, the economist.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep, yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
And his quote, he actually went a little deeper. And here's his quote from Thomas Sowell. And he said, it's about the U.S. educational system. He said, Yep. How true is that?
SPEAKER 17 :
And you see that when you watch some of these men on the streets or you watch some of these interviews where they're going into some of these protest areas and asking questions. And, by the way, some of these are very raw. You're actually watching straight-out raw footage. They walked up to somebody and started asking questions. And, Joe, these people, they have a conniption fit. They have no idea how to answer the question.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. There was one last week I did in my podcast. A guy went up to one of these pro-Palestinian podcasts, and he's asking, they're holding, well, from the river to the sea, and they said, What river, what sea, what does that mean? And they look at each other like, we don't know. And then he says, well, that means from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, which is the boundaries of En-Rosa, it means the elimination of Israel. Oh, and then what is the charter of Hamas? And people look, well, no, the charter of Hamas right here, and he shows them Hamas charter, it means death to all Jews. Oh, we didn't know that.
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, that's how dumb they are.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that's how dumb they are. But – and, John, I run into this every single day. Somebody will post something. It's no secret. I spend about a half hour every morning cruising from one liberal Facebook page to another. And somebody will post some ridiculous statement about the rich don't pay taxes. And I'll post a factual correction. No, here's the link to the IRS website. According to them, the top 1 percent pay more than the bottom 90 percent. And right away, rather than come back with a fact-based argument – They call me names. You're an idiot. You're a Trumpster. They cannot put together a coherent... They don't come back with facts.
SPEAKER 17 :
They just call you names.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just a minute. They're angry. They call names. They question my motives. You're a Russian asset. They're completely unable to put together a coherent, adult, fact-based rebuttal.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
Anyway, by the way, one of my favorite sayings attributable to Socrates, it says, when the debate is lost, Slander becomes the tool of the loser.
SPEAKER 17 :
And by the way, Joe, that can happen on both sides of the aisle. Andy and I have experienced that with some of the folks here locally in Colorado GOP politics. When they can't win the battle, they start calling you a rhino. Or they start questioning your motives, you know, you're only saying that because... You're only doing that because you don't like the party, or you're only doing that because you're not a Trump supporter, you're only doing that because you're a rhino, you name it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, as we were saying earlier, they use Democrat strategy, okay? So what do Democrats say when they're losing, what do they call you, Joe?
SPEAKER 06 :
Racist. Okay, they call you... You're a racist, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you're a racist. Everybody's a racist. You're a racist because you disagree with me. You're a racist. Here they say rhino. It's both our words. Same deal at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's right. You support Nazis, you know, whatever. You're a fascist, Nazi.
SPEAKER 09 :
Ooh, I forgot Nazi. Good one.
SPEAKER 06 :
The other thing I... Did you guys read about or talk about that shocking poll about how many people think assassinating Trump would be justified?
SPEAKER 09 :
Not yet. That's incredible.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, it's in my notes. I didn't get to that part yet, no. Unbelievable. Can we talk about it now? Go ahead. Yeah, go for it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the poll that came out yesterday, and it's a very well-respected, this is not some fringe group, it's a very well-respected polling outfit. They did a very well-structured, the methodology is impeccable. Now, if you said how many people would think assassinating Donald Trump or Elon Musk, they asked both. I would have come back, you know, there's always, you've got these people.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, yeah, you've got the loony fringe that are out there, no matter what, 20% or so that are going to be that way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Luigi Mangione's GoFundMe page and want to marry him. I would have said 3%, 6%. It was a blended average of 38%. And among liberals, it was 55%. think that assassinating Donald Trump would be justified, would be justifiable. That's crazy. I almost fell out of my chair.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, the left has evolved into pure evil. This goes along with somebody sent me an article on the text line a moment ago, which I had kind of been watching, but I didn't know it had gotten up to this much. The black young man that stabbed to death the other track meet, you know, white kid that was down in Texas. Metcalf, I think was his name. They started a GoFundMe page for the black kid, thinking that for some odd reason, I guess he needs to be acquitted or something. He didn't do anything wrong. I guess there's some people out there that feel that way. Joe, they've raised a quarter million dollars for that kid.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER 1 :
$250.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, in the article that accompanied this, they refer to it as the assassination culture. That, you know, the people who support Luigi Mangione... And they say it's a good start. We need two dozen more Maggiones. And that 58 percent of liberals think it would be a good thing if – by the way, 55 percent thought it would be a good thing if Trump was assassinated, and 48 percent thought it would be a good thing if – or justifiable if Musk was associated. Now, these are the big democracy now, hands off our democracy. Assassination is the polar opposite of democracy. You can't be an advocate for both democracy and assassination at the same time. It's because they're polar opposites of each other. So I'm just boggled. John, I know your voice is going in. Do you have any thoughts?
SPEAKER 09 :
Go ahead, Andy. Well, I actually had a question for you along these lines, and I was about to say it. Can I do that? By all means. Okay. Joe, I know I've often said why the left is so much more violent, naturally violent, than the right. I wanted to ask you, why do you think that is?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I think part of it comes down to, and we've had this, and I always get it mixed up, right brain, left brain. Yes. I think right brain is the logical... factual, you know, and the left brain is the emotional... No, it's the other way. Other way, okay, which is the brain way. And the studies have shown that the vast majority of liberals are the, you know, on the emotional, you know, they deal, you know, they're driven more by emotion than facts and logic.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, that's why the artistic community is far more left-wing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Right. So I think that same brain, I don't want to call it a dysfunction, but that same brain brain difference between conservatives and liberals also drives them to be you know when when you react emotionally i want to kill you i'm angry i hate you uh you know i can disagree with a little i don't i've got some relatives who are flaming liberals i don't hate them a couple of them hate me i don't hate them um a couple of my if i get hit by a car or run over by a bus i think they'd celebrate I agree.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, let me throw mine out here. First of all, I agree with everything you just said. Secondly, I think it revolves around one word, and I've said this for years, control. If, you know, and really quick here, lest anyone forget, let's say a conservative doesn't want to smoke. What does the conservative do? He doesn't smoke. If a liberal doesn't want to smoke, what do they do, Joe? They want to pass a law preventing me from smoking. Right, they want to ban smoking. You see, what makes me a conservative? I want to control my own life, not yours, okay? That is the heart of conservatism, wanting control over your own life, self-determination, not over the lives of others. And here's what I mean. When a liberal wakes up in the morning, they look around at the world, and they want to know how they can make others be the way that they want them to be. In other words, they want to control people. When you want to control people, you have already dehumanized them. All right? You've already devalued them. If you want to control someone already, you see them as less than human. Okay. And so what you've got is an entire political movement. Fascism at its finest. Fascism at rule. And that's pithy. I like that. Fascism at its finest. You're right. You've got a political movement right now here in America that looks at people and wants to control them. And if those people don't want to be controlled in anger and bitterness, what do they want to do? If I can't control you, I might as well kill you.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. I'm going to shut you up.
SPEAKER 09 :
What do you think, John? Yep.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. You're right. Spot on, guys.
SPEAKER 06 :
And just look at the bills on Polis' desk. We don't like guns. We don't want you to own one.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right. You can't own one.
SPEAKER 06 :
You can't own one.
SPEAKER 17 :
We don't like internal combustion engines, and we want to— We don't like—Joe, as a parent, we don't like the fact that you're not going to affirm your child who wants to now turn from a boy to a girl, and the fact that you won't affirm that for that particular child, you're now the bad guy. Yeah, and we might take your child away from you. That's right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, we'll criminalize you.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 06 :
We'll criminalize you, yeah. You know, and it's everything from guns to smoking to internal combustion engines. Yep. You know, the list goes on. I could probably sit here and make a list. I'd be still rewriting half an hour from now.
SPEAKER 09 :
Joe, when you have that mindset about people, when you're willing to make them live like you, or maybe not even how you live, right? Because maybe you're an environmentalist who jet sets off to Europe.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, it's all about you, not me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. But the idea is this. If they will not live the way you want to make them live... You obviously, you look at them as peons. You look at them, to use Vance's words, peasants. Right. These are peasants to you. How dare they? How dare they want to live their own lives in their own way and want to live, you know, drive cars that you don't want them to drive, listen to music you don't want them to listen to, have beliefs about the origin of the universe that you don't want them, whatever. Right. But how dare they live their lives rather than live the life that you would have for them? And if you think of people in that way, if that's your mindset, then they're not people to you. No wonder you don't mind killing them. That's right.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 17 :
That's right. Another good one.
SPEAKER 06 :
You can't teach in our schools anymore. These people are dangerous, Joe.
SPEAKER 17 :
Joe, you're right. We could sit here literally for the rest of this show and rattle off the things that would fit into that in those categories.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And it's all fashion. I mean, look at Mussolini. He wanted, you know, control over absolutely everything. And that's where the Democrats from what type of lawnmower you use, what kind of car you drive.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 17 :
Where your kids go to school, where your kids go to college, what kind of job they have, on and on and on we go. Yep. So. Yep. You're right, Joe. Spot on. That's all I got, guys. Joe, appreciate you, man. Always appreciate it very much. Great stuff. Safeboxdeposits.com. Starting at $15 a month. Much, much, much better than a bank. 303-771-8000.
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All right, really quick before we move on here, Andy, somebody also asked me what I thought about Representative Jeff Hurd signing on to Representative Don Bacon's bill to limit President Trump's tariff powers and return that authority back to Congress. And folks, again, this is one of those areas where I have had arguments even with family members over tariffs. Everybody has a different opinion on how they should work, what they should do, how they should be enacted and so on. I am not going to break fellowship with someone over tariffs, even though I think differently of it than he does. That's my explanation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I agree. We have to keep in mind, Jeff Hurd just barely won his election by what, three or four points? Right. Okay, that's a tough district, folks. He has to compete in that tough district. Donald Trump knows that. Right. Donald Trump knows that in tough districts, people have to be, you know, a little tough on Trump.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
to maintain their districts. It's all part of the game.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's all part of it. And again, don't worry about it. It's also one of those issues.
SPEAKER 09 :
That way he can go to the voters and say, see, I just, I disagreed with Trump. Here's where that's right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. That's something you wanted to add to our last conversation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, in fact, I guarantee you Trump likes that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Trump understands how this works.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, the tariff power is not going to be taken from Trump, and he knows that. But this is actually going to help Jeff Hurd going forward. Correct. Trump gets the game. He's playing chess, folks. Correct. Okay, we were talking about how the left wants to control people's lives, and they want to force things down people's throats. You know, if we don't like smoking, we don't smoke. If they don't like smoking, they ban smoking. You get how we go. Okay. Let's get to, you know, what do I do on Fridays? I review movies. Right. And two movies that I've reviewed over the last few weeks have been Snow White and a Minecraft movie. Now, obviously about Snow White, I said, look, the movie's not that bad, but they're trying to do two movies at once. They're trying to, you know, do the kid movie, but they're also doing the agenda movie, the, you know, the girl power movie. And oh, by the way, at the end, The Prince doesn't even get to rule with her. I didn't say that in the review, but we're three weeks in now. I can give you that spoiler because no one's going to watch it.
SPEAKER 17 :
No one cares at this point.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. So what happened with Snow White? Now, as we know, they're saying that with marketing, the total cost of Snow White is probably north of $420 million.
SPEAKER 17 :
Wow, Andy, that's big.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Wow. Yeah. The expected losses of Snow White, and this includes international sales, is supposed to be in the region of $150 million in pure losses for Disney. Wow. Okay? That's amazing. And people say, well, but it's sold this much. Yeah, they don't get the full ticket price, okay? A portion goes to the theaters. Right. Well, here's what happened to Snow White. Not only... um the week one numbers were not good okay it's one of the worst live action remake disney numbers ever put out okay but week two dropped down to only 34 percent of week one week three and i said week three's gonna drop off even more why first of all it's week three but secondly minecraft's other movies come along finally got a kid flick yep 14 percent of week one Okay, they've dropped off a cliff. They've got a movie that's drawing nobody now. Okay. Meanwhile, a Minecraft movie, which I even said, look, it's not that good of a movie. I don't care. I gave it a higher review than Snow White, a little bit higher, but I said it's much better for kids. For kids, this is a four-star movie. Suck it up. Let them enjoy it and have fun. They're going to have a ball, and it's silly and stupid fun, you know, with all its quirks. This thing is going to sell a lot bigger. Minecraft just beat Super Mario for the biggest... Wow. Yeah, game launch ever for one of those kinds of movies. Wow. Wow. Which, by the way, Super Mario was a better movie.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I was just reading, too, to reiterate what you were saying. Yahoo Finance is projecting that they're going to lose about $120 million on that film. Yeah. And that's probably low. That's probably low.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's probably higher. But maybe it'll be only 120. I think it's going to be worse. Bill, that's a lot, Andy. Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
How many of those can you do?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don't know how many more Disney can absorb. I don't know how they're doing it. I don't know how they're absorbing this many losses. It's crushing them so badly. But the bottom line is this. They are preaching. They are the left. They're shoving an agenda. And people are saying we don't want the agenda. Yeah. We don't want Snow White to bring girl power to not let the prince rule with her, okay? Because they're going to get married, okay? That means king and queen, okay? We don't want any of this, okay? And meanwhile, what do you have with a Minecraft movie? Zero agenda. And it's led by Jack Black, who is a Trump hater extraordinaire. Yeah, but he shut up. He didn't say anything off air, right? Nothing. No, he didn't. Kept his mouth shut and just pushed the movie. True. And guess what? There is no agenda in that movie. At least you can go and not be insulted. People love it. I believe that after a couple weeks of Snow White, American families were begging for a kid flick they could take their kids to and not feel preached at, and they got it. And look what it did monetarily. It's not even that good of a movie.
SPEAKER 17 :
You ask, how can they keep doing this? Because they're still a $91 billion a year company. The parks alone generate $34 billion a year in revenue. In pure profit? Not in profit, in revenue.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, okay. I don't know what the cost is.
SPEAKER 17 :
They had a $5 million profit last year, or $5 billion profit last year.
SPEAKER 09 :
From the parks?
SPEAKER 17 :
From everything.
SPEAKER 09 :
From everything. They came out $5 billion ahead. $5 billion ahead. That's how they came to the end. Well, I know they have cut a lot of costs, but I didn't... Wow, okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
That was 2024 numbers.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, good for them. I think they're going to struggle.
SPEAKER 17 :
Snow White killed them. You still can't keep having these type of losses over it. Because, A, Andy, not only is it the losses on paper, real losses, it's the reputation loss as well, as you know.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because, and this is huge in the movie industry. I can tell people this because I used to manage movie theaters. Expectation is everything. It used to be any Disney movie that came out, we knew we were going to get absolutely clobbered because people had expectations. right of that high quality and in the old days these these movies none of them preached at you none little mermaid nothing beating the beast nothing aladdin nothing all of them nothing all it was was entertainment hercules nothing right now people the expectation has gone down and that hurts turnout and it's hurting them i mean when they did light year and strange world in the same year my gosh it was devastating
SPEAKER 17 :
Really quick? Yeah. Which this should sell something to. I'm not telling anybody to boycott. Don't go to the parks. You do you. This goes back to the conversation we had a moment ago about liberals. I'm not going to tell you what to do. You go do whatever you want to do.
SPEAKER 09 :
Live your life.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's the parks, Andy. I just looked this up. It's the parks that keep them rolling. $34 billion in revenue with the operating income from the parks alone at $9 billion. So they lost money in a lot of other places the parks made up.
SPEAKER 09 :
I see.
SPEAKER 17 :
So it's the parks that are making them their money.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, and that blows my mind because the parks are outrageously expensive.
SPEAKER 17 :
But people keep stinking going.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's surprising because you've got Six Flags. You've got other places with just as good a ride.
SPEAKER 17 :
2024, they had a 5% revenue increase in the parks.
SPEAKER 09 :
Incredible.
SPEAKER 17 :
So people are still going, Andy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now that's from raising prices, of course, but still.
SPEAKER 17 :
Still. It means people are still rolling. I didn't look up what the actual attendance is. If it works, it works. You can knock them all you want on some of this other stuff, but they stink and still roll people through the dang parks. It's amazing.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's awful. By the way, can I warn people of something? Sure. Chronicles of Narnia, you know, that's Christian. Greta Gerwig, of all people, is remaking it, and it rejects the Christian allegory and embraces gender politics.
SPEAKER 17 :
Why are they doing that?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don't know. They're wrecking because this is going to go right against the core market for putting that movie out. I don't know how it's going to make money.
SPEAKER 17 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, Chronicles of Narnia, they're going to wreck it.
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SPEAKER 17 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And, yeah, Disney, and a lot of you have been texting in about some of the Disney and the parks and different things. And, again, I... What are they saying? Just different things about, you know, did I ever take my kids when they were younger to some of the, you know, Disney parks and so on. Yeah, I mean, keep in mind, that's a long time ago. I mean, Richard's 33, so think about that. I mean, it's been a long time since I've been anything...
SPEAKER 09 :
It's been weeks since you've taken Richard to Disney.
SPEAKER 17 :
Exactly. Yeah. And I will say even then it was expensive and it's gotten a lot more expensive today to go. And again, Andy, I'm not going to be somebody that's going to tell somebody to go and not go. You know, you do whatever it is you want to go do as far as all that goes. I highly doubt you're going to stop anybody from going to Disney World, Epcot, Disneyland and so on.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I mean, look, it's an event for the kids. That's why you go. That's why you go.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's an event.
SPEAKER 09 :
Like them or not. The kids are looking forward to it so much because they get to go on these rides. Right. I don't know why you'd go to Disney. I mean, there are other great theme parks that you can go to that are not Disney. But whatever.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think because of the kid factor, Andy, and even my kids as they got older, they would rather go to Universal Studios and some of those places as opposed to Disney because there was more fun things to do, more rides, etc.
SPEAKER 09 :
More dinosaurs.
SPEAKER 17 :
To your point earlier.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, yeah. And again, for each of you, when you've got young kids and so on, that is completely up to you. And you, I will just say this, you are not going to make or break Disney by either going or not going. No. No. Sorry, you're not going to put a dent in that number I gave you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I mean, Disney, look, they've been the evil empire for so long. Are they turning around to some degree? They have to. I can tell you as a movie critic, John, that the amount of content, objectionable content in their movies has dropped precipitously. I mean, even Snow White, they had dramatically rewritten because it was really offensive. In its original form, and they had to really undo a lot of that. They're not that dumb. Yeah, they're not that dumb. I mean, they're left, but they're not that dumb. Look, they hate you, folks. They absolutely hate you, okay? But they want your money.
SPEAKER 17 :
They do want that, Andy. Yeah. which a lot of those heavy left-leaning companies want. They, at the end of the day, still want your money.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, which I respect that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and what they need to think about.
SPEAKER 09 :
Free enterprise.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, what they need to think about, and this is where, going back to the whole tariff discussion, which we're going to get a little bit more of this today, but we had other things that came up and calls and so on, which is fine. We've got a few minutes here left. We can kind of wrap things up and talk about tariffs for a moment. Sure. The amount of, and I've read all different things all over social media, different people posting and giving their opinions and so on, and it cracks me up. The amount of people that comment on tariffs that, frankly, have probably never either ran a business or written a payroll check or done anything along those lines, but all of a sudden they're a tariff expert cracks me up. I have seen a few memes out there where it's like, yeah, all the people that want their student loans forgiven are now experts on tariffs.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's good. I like that.
SPEAKER 17 :
That was pretty good, actually. Yeah. It's like you really have to look at the big picture when it comes to tariffs because there's a lot more moving pieces than just what you see on the surface.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Yeah, I think, look, the bottom line is this. We have a president who is about to get us far, far better deals than we have had in our lifetime. we are going to be able to compete and export far, far better than we have in our lifetime. Do people understand that? How can you not understand that?
SPEAKER 17 :
They don't understand that when we export things, we make money as a country.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you do realize any improvement, any step up with each country,
SPEAKER 17 :
is better yeah instead of just being the largest consumer how about we become a large exporter as well right which we can do but you have to have the playing field level to be able to do that andy right we got to be selling more of our i think a lot of it is our grain we're going to be selling more of that we got to be selling more of our exporting energy everything from
SPEAKER 09 :
hogs to oh yeah cows to on down the line i mean you talk about all the ag end of things and the things that we could do as a country on top of that the tech and so on i mean we can go down the list and we gotta fire up the uh fire uh fire up the fire that's good fire up the uh car the automotive industry again we got to get it going come on man we can make cars we can make great cars
SPEAKER 17 :
I can argue that. Absolutely. I mean, I talked about this last week. One of the biggest mistakes we made, I think, not that some would argue with me on this because now you're having government interfere with the sale of companies and so on, but letting, you know, Ram, Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, all of that go to a foreign entity. Right. Bad move. Dumb mistake. Shouldn't have happened.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but John, it was inevitable. With the setting that we have created here in America, it was inevitable. I totally agree with you. Terrible move. You are correct. But we drove them into that move. Drove. Sorry for the pun. No, you're right. Look, we have to start getting it to where we can sell our products overseas without punishment.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Correct. And that's what Trump's doing. I don't know why anybody would be opposed to this. I know people are upset about the stock market. They should be. I get it. Look, I have portfolio. It has gotten killed over the last few days. Guess what? I know. Do you think I budged? Nope. I'm leaving it all in. I think it's going to come back.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I think, Andy, and again, I get it. If you're somebody that is of, well... Let me rephrase this. If you're somebody that's of retirement age and you're still relying on what's going on in the market, you didn't plan ahead very well. And you should have put some of that money someplace else besides the market, because if that's what you're relying on, it's far too risky. Now, when you're even Andy is nice age where Andy, I've got another 10 years solid left before I go do anything along those lines whatsoever. Can I ride this out for 10 years? Absolutely. I can. So am I worried about what happened over the last few days at all? No, no, not at all. Not in the least. But so many, this is what's so funny about that. So many people are and yet have no money in it. That's the other thing that cracks me up about the whole stock market thing and all of that. The amount of actual real investors.
SPEAKER 09 :
They think it's crashing their economy.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's not.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, it isn't.
SPEAKER 17 :
They are two separate things.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Two separate things. I've explained that on this program many times, and those of you listening that understand how that works need to be explaining that to your friends and family as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think the only thing they're actually going to understand when they actually see it is if those shirts that are made in China now cost a lot more.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, instead of $7.99, they're going to cost $14.99. Right. Big deal. I mean, here's a question for you. Are you better off buying a higher quality shirt made somewhere else besides China and wear it twice as long as opposed to buying the China shirt? These are some of the questions I think people need to ask when they start buying some of these items that are coming from China.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, John, I think people who are on a tight budget, though, it does hit them initially. But in the end, you're not saving any money. I don't think inflation is going to be what they've been projecting. So you have to understand, I'm not in the camp that thinks that we're going into Armageddon.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. I don't either.
SPEAKER 09 :
So I'm probably not the right one to talk to about it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I'm not either because I don't think it's going to be that bad either. And I am one that says maybe this will force people, Andy, to look at some of the cheap crap that frankly is not a good value at the end of the day. In fact, you probably are buying more of it than you are the actual higher quality stuff, meaning that your budget is actually hurt worse by buying the cheap crap than actually buying high quality stuff. Or better quality stuff, let's say it that way. Not high quality, but better quality than that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, to a degree. I don't know the tradeoff with each item and so forth. But I also know another huge thing that Trump is doing is unleashing energy. Today he announced coal.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I saw that.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, I'm a huge fan of coal. Okay, coal, natural gas, these things are so cheap. They're so good. And he's doing that. And by the way, that's going to be incredible for Pennsylvania, West Virginia.
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Now, back to Rush to Reason. All right, that's it for Andy, I, and Charlie. Tomorrow, we've got a special guest joining us because April is Stress Awareness Month, and we've got somebody that's going to talk about in health and wellness how to reduce stress and keep your heart healthy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good idea.
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So we'll do that tomorrow. Guys, have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.