John Rush sits down with Scott Angele to discuss the challenges and opportunities presented by the increasing demands of artificial intelligence on our energy grid. As the conversation unfolds, they delve into the pivotal changes in energy policy and production that are shaping our economy. This insightful episode sheds light on how the shift from energy defense to offense impacts not only the U.S. energy sector but also has global implications.
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And we're back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. Scott Angele joining us now. Scott, always a joy having you. Welcome back, sir.
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Well, good to hear your voice, and hello from the Gulf of America. I want to say hello to all our friends in the Mile High City there, John.
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Well, we appreciate you. AI, we're going to talk about that today, Scott. You are USA Energy workers. You're the founding member of that, I should say, or the founder is what I should say. And AI is getting to be a bigger and bigger deal, as we know, and maybe everybody doesn't know, but I think the majority of people now know, Scott, that AI requires energy. a ton of energy to run it's not simply putting your pc you know plug it into the wall and letting things roll they are way more sophisticated the demand for energy is huge it's going to continue to grow so the question i have for you and you know again usa energy workers how do we how are we going to meet that demand
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Well, first of all, USA Energy workers are ready, right? We understand. We've been here. We cannot build a country that we have in the aftermath of World War II without the tremendous USA Energy workers that we have. And when we talk about how we're going to make it happen, it starts with a pivot. It starts with a pivot that has now happened in the White House. You know, John, when you kind of take a look at where we've come from in 2021, in this country, we were in an all-of-government war, right? on American energy. And we now have pivoted to a 2025, all of government support. And that's the most important thing that can happen. A way to illustrate that, I would share with you, listeners, the two really, really extraordinary things President Trump declaring a national energy emergency, and at the same time also an executive order establishing the National Energy Dominance Council, those two things are going to come to a zip code near you in the way of more affordable energy over time, We went again through this period where we were saying no to everything, and we've gone from energy defense to energy offense. And when we talk about AI, when we talk about artificial intelligence, there's no doubt a revolution upon us. We're going to have explosive demand growth here in America, and United States electricity demand will surge by anywhere from 35% to 50% between now and 2040. And, John, when we talk about 2040, when we talk about 2040, it seems like a long time.
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It's not.
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You know, a long ways away. It's 15 years away, brother.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it's not that long.
SPEAKER 18 :
We've got to get going. We've got to get going.
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No, you're right. I've been on air here doing my daily show for 11 years, been on air total for about 25. And to your point, Scott, that time rolls by quickly. It'll be here before you know it.
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And when we take a look at this national energy emergency order that the president signed, it's specifically around, again, streamlining the permitting process, expanding domestic production across all energy sectors. Look, I'm an all-of-the-above guy. I'm very proud of the work that we do in the Gulf of America, but I'm for all energy, all sources of energy. Let them stand on their own. Let them compete. Look, we've had six recessions from 1973 to 2019 in this country. Each one of those recessions were preceded by a spike in energy prices. As goes our access to affordable energy, so goes our economic performance. It's not debatable. And so I'm excited about the pivot that we have. And look, I realize how important conservation is to the state of Colorado. I have a tremendous amount of respect. Love visiting there. Your listeners would love to know that the Land and Water Conservation Fund, which was established in 1964, since its establishment, has funded $5.2 billion of projects to support more than 45,000 projects of at least one in every county, and it's 100% funded by offshore energy revenue. So what we would like to say is that we are bringing royalties to restoration, and a lot of that is going to the state of Colorado and many of our western states that hold so many of our assets. So absolutely, we have to be prepared, I think, to understand that we have an artificial intelligence program revolution among us, right in front of us. In order to be able to take advantage of it, John, we've got to be able to build the infrastructure to do it. And, you know, we just got to have some common sense there.
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Scott, how much more energy is the way I look at it, oil? How much is left or how much more is there in the Gulf? I mean, we hear all these different things. You and I have talked about this in the past when it comes to leases that have been granted, leases that have been shut down, different administrations and so on. But how much energy is still in the Gulf untapped?
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Well, I would say we've been producing the Gulf of Mexico probably since about 1940, 45. In 2019, my last year there in D.C., I think we had the highest offshore production we ever had. This year is going to be higher than that, okay? So, look. So many of our oil fields in this country have been pronounced dead by so-called experts. And then along comes a new wave of technology that gives us a chance to look beneath the earth. And then, boom, we untap it and we rock and roll. Take a look at the Permian Basin in West Texas and New Mexico. Unbelievable. Largest oil field. in America, been around for a long time, wasn't as prominent as it is now. New technology comes along, and here we go. Look, the American way of using that technology, getting that energy out of the ground, creating jobs, creating advantages in the world economy is the way we roll. And look, the Gulf of America, about one in every six barrels right now in America produced from the Gulf, very, very important. But in addition to that, again, producing revenue that the Congress has dedicated to the Great American Outdoors Act, the Water and Land Conservation Act. So a lot of really positive environmental things.
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Right.
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And, again, for you listeners in Colorado to know this, that the Gulf of Mexico has the lowest carbon intensity production of any oil field in America.
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Wow.
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The lowest carbon intensity. So a lot of good things.
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And really, Chris, I want to make sure that we do this because it's something, you know, most people think of the Gulf as oil, oil only. But, you know, you know of all that there are, you know, There's 50-plus trillions of cubic feet of natural gas there as well, which, to your point, as far as creating energy and creating electricity even, we here in Colorado, we benefit from this. We've got a lot of gas generation facilities here in Colorado. The reality is natural gas is one of the cleanest ways we can produce electricity that there is, and you guys have the ability in the Gulf to provide it.
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and want to do more and look forward to doing more. We understand that as a member of this union, we have to perform our role. The good Lord has blessed us with abundant resources. If we can get access to those resources, we have the workers who can do it. We want to do it. And you're absolutely right when we talk about electricity generation, right? Clean natural gas. That's why this AI center, the best way, the easiest way, the quickest way to build new electrical generation is through natural gas. We know how long nuclear takes. So anyway, we are excited. We understand that we have to balance the three E's. It is about the blue states at one time, perhaps more about the environment. The red states, more about energy. We believe there's a purple E. It's not red or blue. It's bright purple. It's called the economy. And if we can balance those threes, we're on our way. The way to balance those threes is to continue this pivot that we've had.
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We just need the American people to understand that. Amen. Scott, how do folks find you guys at USA Energy Workers?
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Find us at USAEnergyWorkers.com, nonpolitical, nonpartisan. We exist for one reason and one reason only, to support, elevate, and celebrate the contributions of our USA Energy Workers in Colorado, in California, in Oklahoma, in Alaska, in North Dakota, in Ohio, in Pennsylvania, Louisiana, Texas. You got it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Amen. Appreciate you very much, Scott. Always a joy having you.
SPEAKER 18 :
Thank you, John. Keep up the great work.
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Will do it, sir. Appreciate you very much. Again, Scott Angele. He was actually inside of D.C. for a number of years in the Pratt administration, the original Trump administration, I should say. Great guy. Have him on on a routine basis. And he's a passionate guy when it comes to energy, which I appreciate, by the way. Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Al did a great interview here recently. Listen in. We'll be back right after that.
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We've got Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial with us in the studio here at KLZ. And Al, I know you've been helping people plan for and transitioning through retirement for many, many years, but there are a lot of financial advisors out there. What makes you different?
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Well, a lot of advisors spend a lot of their time touting their company and the sophistication of their planning software with AI and algorithms and everything like that. And some of the graphs and projections are useful, but I think it's more important first to get to know more about the people that you can help. That involves more than growing a nest egg. The conversation often goes in the direction of a passion for giving back. That may involve skiing with disabled skiers up in Winter Park or mission trips with their church or mentoring young people. That may be involving fighting human trafficking. I know one volunteers and goes all over the country. in their motor home to help assist those victims of tornadoes and hurricanes and so forth.
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That is really outstanding. How can people learn more about how you help other folks move through the retirement process and plan for it?
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Well, they can reach me at my office, which is 303-744-1128. And if you choose to come into the office, I will be sure and make one or both of those books available. that I've written available to you. They're 18 Holes to Retirement and also The Christian Path to Retirement. The books are very short, but they summarize the important steps I guide my clients through, whether they have 20 years till retirement or if they've been retired for 10 years.
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That's great. And how can people reach you, Al?
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303-744-1128 is my office number. If I'm not there, either my office manager will pick it up or it'll go to voicemail. I return my voicemails very promptly, and we can arrange a time to sit down and see how what I do can be of help to you.
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Yes, he does. I can vouch for that. Again, it's 303-744-1128 for Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. You can also find him on the klzradio.com advertisers page.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Lines are open, by the way. No other guests the rest of this hour. 303-477-5600. Text line as well, 307-200-8222. This came out right before coming on air today. Charlie even asked me, hey, did you hear about X? And I'm like, no, I didn't hear anything about it at all. And again, some of that is because as I'm prepping for the show and so on, in my drive down, I don't always get to see, and I don't listen to news on the way down. Maybe... I should, but I don't. But there is, Trump made an announcement, said that a Israel strike on Iran could very well happen, warning of a possible massive conflict in the Middle East. Now, even with all of that news, I didn't see many changes in stock market and so on, so we'll see probably how things go tomorrow. Friday typically tends to be a little bit quieter. of a day and this is all coming off the heels of even the un basically saying yeah um as much as they by the way are usually on the side of iran they aren't this time they're basically saying that yeah we can see that they're developing things that they have they're not supposed to be they're violating their agreements and iran is basically saying yeah we don't care I'm paraphrasing, but essentially they're like, yeah, we don't care. We're going to move things around, do whatever we have to. We're not going to cease operations when it comes to doing what we need to do to have nuclear weapons. And we're going to continue to spin things up. And I'm using that in a literal term because that's what you do when you make what they need to have for either power plants and or bombs. And they're like, we're going to continue to spin things up. We don't care. We're moving forward. And that's not going to happen under the Trump White House. I can tell you that right now. We as a country may not interfere, but we will back. Israel, who will interfere and make sure that that does not happen. So I'll just tell you straight up, it's not looking good right now because the Iranians, who, by the way, are the largest funder of terrorism in the world, they are looking to have their own nuclear weapons when this is all said and done. And I'm just telling you that right now, currently, they are not stopping. And... As much as you don't want to see something happen over there in regards to a large-scale war, and I guarantee you Trump will try to do everything possible to not end up there, because you know his feelings on that end of it. He would like to see wars ended, not started. But don't be surprised if this one doesn't go sideways when it's all said and done. Just food for thought. Paul, go ahead, sir.
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Hey, John. Hey, Paul. I got a story for you. Sure. Yeah. Hi. Got a story for you for DMP that my head's already exploding. All right. I had to put it back together in order to dial the number. So my father-in-law is 89 years old. And as many people know, Colorado now requires a yearly vision test for those folks, which is fine. So I help them out. I got him the form. He got it all filled out by his optometrist. And I, I worked to submit it online because he doesn't know anything about computers. So I do that. And, um, And a day later, I get an email rejecting that it's been rejected. I filled out the form. The form is filled out fine. The doctor says he's good to go. He meets all the requirements. He doesn't need glasses, on and on and on. Everything's fine. I call the number for an explanation because the email says there's some restriction on the paperwork. I don't know what that restriction is. They don't bother to give me any detail. So I've got to go through another step, call them. I've got to get him on the phone because I'm not authorized. I'm not him. So I've got to do it three-way with an 89 hard-of-hearing guy. And they tell me, well, they don't know. They've got to transfer me to another department. I do this rinse and repeat, do the same thing with other people. And they say, well, he has a restriction on his license. Apparently he needs glasses. He's supposed to drive with glasses. I said, but he got a clear vision test because he had cataract surgery a few years ago. And so now he's good to go. He no longer needs glasses. And here's the proof of it. Here's your own document, your own form, which says he doesn't need breathing glasses and he meets the minimum requirements. Well, that's not good enough. You have to come in for in-person and bring all the required documents. But they don't say what required documents that they don't already have, they haven't already given them, that is needed. So I have to make some more phone calls and e-mails. I e-mailed the director, the head person. I found out who that is, and there, hidden e-mail. And they're very appreciative of all the information I've given them, saying, yes, it shouldn't be this way. It should be what we're working on, correcting all kinds of stuff having to do with customer experience, on and on and on. And we're going to give you this person who's going to help you. So that person contacts me and offers me an expedited appointment. I don't need an expedited appointment. What are we going to do with that appointment that you already have? Well, apparently nothing. They want their driver's license technician to give my father-in-law a vision test, something that they already have the results from the licensed professional optometrist.
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Right, right. That's redundancy that, I mean, to me, that's just extra steps that don't, maybe I'm looking at it wrong, Paul, but that's extra steps that don't need to be there. That's a waste of time, if you ask me.
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It's a waste of time for me. It's a waste of time for them. They already have the critical information. No one is arguing here that those over whatever arbitrary age.
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I get it.
SPEAKER 06 :
I understand what you're saying. No one's arguing about the fee. No one's arguing that we should provide proof that that division is adequate. That's fine. I've given you all that. There's no new information that you're going to get, acquire, by him coming in. So why are we doing this? And the email that I just got today was that it's irreversible, so he needs to come in. Now, I started drafting... an email to them, and fortunately I held back because I need to take a breath and think about it a little bit more. Yeah, I hear you.
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I wasn't going to be rude. Absolutely. No, by the way, cooler heads prevail. Good for you, by the way, Paul.
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Yeah. So, you know, because I was telling you about, look, this is an opportunity to correct for my father-in-law. But for all the seniors who there's some percentage who have to deal with this, it's fine that you flagged it as there's some inconsistency here. But the document proves that, you know, what you have to do. Just take care of it. Take care of my father-in-law. Then do a systemic change in the system. coding, or whatever the heck you have to do. But for right now, just get a manager, the head director, which I've already opened up, to sign off on how hard it is. So I left a voicemail today with my state senator and my father-in-law, because he lives in Thornton, his state senator, and I left a voicemail with Governor Polis' office, for constituency help, whatever. And then tonight I'm going to email whatever, 9 News, you know, help us.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. I would.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good job.
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Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'm not out any money.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, it's the principle of it. It's not the money side. It's the principle side.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And I also, you know, I had pointed out to the director at DMV that this... is not meeting their own stated vision and their mission statement. It's not. So why can't they pivot?
SPEAKER 15 :
Paul, as you know, unfortunately, there are certain government agencies, DMV, by the way, being one of them, to where when they get going, they dig their heels in and there's no pivot going to happen. Both heels are dug in. You can't pivot when both heels are dug in.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, they want to make the change. It's just, God, there's just no way. I know. There's no way. This is your creation.
SPEAKER 15 :
I know.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. They have a whole program that they started around COVID to get more people online. Right. That's right. They're all happy. about that. So 56% of the people do their transactions online now. Used to be a lot less. That's great. You're going in the right directions. Your trajectory is great. It's good. Now take care of the individual.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
then you shouldn't be taking our money for anything, for God's sake.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree with you. I agree. Well, by the way, you've done the right things. I mean, everything you've done is what I would have suggested you do, and I think even your last step in calling some of the local news stations, because they know that is a huge percentage of their audience. So I think, by the way, that's probably the one that will get you the most when it's all said and done.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's true. The governor is probably going to send me some Yahoo.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right. No, the news station will do as much for you as anybody.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they're going to drag an 89-year-old in. Now, would I prefer my father-in-law, who's 89, not to drive? Well, there are thousands and thousands of people in Colorado that are much, much younger drivers. that I would like off the road before him. Yeah, thank you.
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I've got family members that are very much the same, Paul. I can agree with you. Family members like your father-in-law that, yeah, I would rather have them on the road than some of the others. So I'm with you. I'm fine with that.
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Right. And can I get them to the driver's DMV? Sure. By the way, when I tried to make an appointment, And they're not. You're right. Of course not. And then I think about, well, you know, a private business, gee, if you're charging people in a private enterprise for services and you're that far out in being a private service... You add staffing. You add staffing. Exactly. Gee, how hard is that?
SPEAKER 15 :
It's not, Paul. You know, I coach on this stuff all the time. You add more staffing if you're that way.
SPEAKER 06 :
How is this...
SPEAKER 15 :
Because it's government, not private, Paul, to your point. If we had privatized that, it would change overnight.
SPEAKER 06 :
It just drives me nuts.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's frustrating. I feel your pain, Paul. It is very frustrating. It doesn't need to be that way.
SPEAKER 06 :
It doesn't. It's not hard to do. No. It's not moving Everest, you know. No, especially in this case. This one's easy.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, this one is a piece. This is a walk in the park, Paul.
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Right. So I'm going to reformulate this email and I say asterisk it and say specifically to the director, you know the whole situation. I want you, not your staff person, I want you to sign off on this so my father-in-law doesn't have to go. If you can't do it, there's a bigger problem in the state that I can't even imagine. If the head of the DMV can't approve a renewal to deal with this nonsense internal stuff, you shouldn't be in that position. Absolutely. Because I don't think there's any law that says that he can't have a renewed driver's license. The rest of it is all internal processes that you've created as mostly obstacles as compared to getting the information that you legitimately need and taking care of business. That's how I'm viewing it. And I don't know how the state senators would view it. I'm sure I know how they would view it, but what they can do. You would think that they would have some pull on this.
SPEAKER 15 :
You would sure think so. Well, again, find out what goes on. Give me an update. I'd love to hear back whether that's you calling back in or even just sending me an email. Either way, I'd like to know what happens.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Thank you. I know, Paul.
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Live and local, back to Rush to Reason.
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All right, we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dan and Blackhawk, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, so I caught the tail end of Paul. Is he having an issue with the DMV here in Colorado?
SPEAKER 15 :
With his father-in-law, who's 89, who doesn't require any longer to have corrective lenses because he had cataract surgery, so it's no longer a requirement for him. But DMV doesn't seem to understand that, even with letters and documentation from Paul's father-in-law's eye doctor.
SPEAKER 07 :
Wow. Yeah. So I got... Two states. They both start with an M, and the DMVs, those states. So I bought a boat from Missouri, needed to get the trailer titled, and I bought a boat not in Missouri. I bought these boats. They're from Missouri and from Minnesota. So I sent in Minnesota. They don't title their trailers, or they have a permanent sticker. So I sent in the request to get the VIN number or registration, and they said I had to pay sales tax. in order to do that. Now, it was a private party transaction, and the boat was bought in Colorado, or delivered to Colorado and bought in Colorado. So now I've got to send them a note that says, I don't owe you guys any sales tax. Please give me my title. And then Missouri.
SPEAKER 15 :
I've got to make sure I'm following correctly. So you're registering essentially the boat trailer in Colorado, and it came from Missouri? Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, one came from Missouri and one came from Minnesota.
SPEAKER 15 :
You owe sales tax in Colorado on both.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know, I know, but the other states don't seem to understand that. So the other one in Missouri... So what are the other states... I'm not following.
SPEAKER 15 :
What are the other states doing? Because I'm confused as to what their part of this is.
SPEAKER 07 :
So they want me to pay sales tax in Minnesota. Oh, yeah, no.
SPEAKER 15 :
They don't understand... Yeah, no.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, they don't understand that I don't pay... sales tax in minnesota i paid in colorado that's right now missouri they have indicated that the person who owned it previously needs to pay uh the title uh a title fee to them even though The boat was purchased in Colorado or delivered and purchased in Colorado.
SPEAKER 15 :
Unless both of those states do things far different than we do in Colorado, and I would have to dig in and determine that, Dan, but I believe you are correct. No, you should not have, nor should anybody. have to pay anything in those two states. Everything now comes into Colorado. You'll get a new Colorado, as you know, you'll get a new Colorado title after jumping through the hoops here. You've got to get VIN verification and so on, which you know about. But once all that's done, you'll have a Colorado title eliminating anything from those other two states. I don't see how they have a single thing to say about it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, what they want is their money is what they want. Of course. It boils down to money. And it's like, well, you guys need to follow the laws of your state and the laws of Colorado. And that's the wasn't a wayfarer or Mayfair or whatever decision. Remember that Supreme Court decision that happened several years ago where. you had to pay sales tax for the delivery address.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I think, but that's only, I mean, that's outside of the motor vehicle end of things as far as I know, Dan. I don't think that affects anything on the vehicle side because it's totally different. It's been its own thing forever anyways.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I know. So it's just the DMVs, and then, you know, I live in Gilpin County. We're a small county, and if I have to do a DMV transaction, I have to make an appointment, and they only allow two transactions per appointment. So somebody like you probably has multiple vehicles to register and everything. You can only do two of them at one time. Interesting.
SPEAKER 15 :
Huh. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And that all started during COVID.
SPEAKER 15 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 07 :
So I walk in there, and they block half-hour time blocks. So I take up Well, Monday it took a little bit, or Wednesday it took a little bit longer because we were trying to figure out how to figure out the Missouri title thing. So that probably took 15 minutes. But most of the time, I go in there, if I have two transactions, it takes less than 10 minutes.
SPEAKER 15 :
So what, and I'm looking really quick. I went ahead and looked at Michigan, for example. I went up, I went and looked at... Yeah, Minnesota.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, Minnesota, not Minnesota.
SPEAKER 15 :
So Michigan, sorry, my bad. Sorry, neighbors, my bad.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and they both start with M's.
SPEAKER 15 :
Some of them have reciprocable states, like Michigan. There's other states that participate in their sales tax, Colorado not being one of them. So I wanted to look at – now I'll look at Minnesota. I don't see – okay, so bottom line, I'm confused as to the DMV here. Who are they contacting, and why do they care what's going on in Missouri? They ought to be able to just rubber stamp that thing and roll it through. I'm confused, Dan.
SPEAKER 07 :
I am, too, because I filled out their form. I went on their website, filled out their form to request title, and I thought, well, they want a title fee, so I paid the title fee, and they sent my check back, and they said, you need to pay sales tax.
SPEAKER 15 :
So maybe this is where things are off. You ought to be able to take your Missouri title that has been signed correctly according to Missouri, because every state does that a little bit differently. Some need notarized, some don't. But as long as all that is done... is handled correctly and the transfer of title is set to go to you, you ought to just be able to go to DMV here in Colorado. You might have to have a bail of sale. It's not always a requirement, but you may have to have one. But if you have all of that, it ought to just roll through. You'll need a VIN verification here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I mean, it's simple, right? Right. There's nothing difficult about this.
SPEAKER 15 :
In other words, personally, you shouldn't have to do anything in Missouri at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know, but... It's silly because... So who told you you had to contact Missouri? This is... I sent stuff into Missouri and they sent my information back.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, you shouldn't. And I would have never sent them anything in the first place. You don't owe them anything.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I had to... No, I had to request the title from them. Because we don't have the title.
SPEAKER 15 :
So who owned it in Missouri, you or somebody else?
SPEAKER 07 :
The estate owned it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, the estate owned it in Missouri.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and they didn't have the title.
SPEAKER 15 :
So you're getting a duplicate title in Missouri is what you're telling me.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm requesting a duplicate title.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER 07 :
And they say that the previous owner has to pay the... tax or whatever on the title before they will release the title to me.
SPEAKER 15 :
Was there a previous tax? Oh, that's where I'm confused. Was there something owed that we don't know about?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no. They just want their tax.
SPEAKER 15 :
I see.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's like, that's not, you know, that's the estate. Missouri, you have to pay use tax on everything. Gotcha. On personal items and everything. It's every December you owe use tax on all your properties. you know, vehicles, your recreational vehicles. And so apparently the estate didn't pay the tax.
SPEAKER 15 :
So they're looking for the past use tax is what they're looking for.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and they're not willing to release the title to me. And I'm like, that's not my problem.
SPEAKER 15 :
It is now.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know, but anyway.
SPEAKER 15 :
It is now. Sorry, I'm laughing with you, not at you, but it is now.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, if anything, we'll do a... What is it when you don't have a title and you get a... you're probably more familiar with it being in a vehicle where you don't have a title, but they come out and they give you a title. They inspect the bin and everything else, and then they issue a title.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, that typically you can do like abandoned vehicles and things along those lines, but in your case, given that there is a current title in another state, that's not going to fly because they'll do a nationwide search, and, yeah, that's not going to fly for you. Either way, you're going to end up paying that tax no matter what. I hate to say that, Dan.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, one way or the other, which is stupid because I don't live in Missouri.
SPEAKER 15 :
You're going to pay it no matter what.
SPEAKER 07 :
And then the DMV here said that maybe we can just bond it, do a bonding process.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but that's going to come back. Unfortunately, because of this money still being owed there, what the bond does is pays for something along those lines. So what you pay for the bond, you might as well just go pay what's owed on that, which can't be much on Missouri on the trailer itself. It can't be a whole lot of money. I would just pay it and get the title and be done with it.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm just calling to say how asinine these states are.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, they can be. Oh, absolutely. And really quick, and this is a topic I should cover. Maybe I'll throw this into Saturday's topics for Drive Radio. But, yeah, out-of-state title things can be extremely, extremely cumbersome. And everybody thinks it's a real walk in the park to have an out-of-state title redone here in Colorado. Yeah, not so fast. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, so my dad gave me a truck. He's in Arizona. He signed the title and a bill of sale showing that it was a gift, which I'm not going to be around Saturday, so I probably ought to call in. It's a Duramax Diesel 2019. I like using BG products for the fuel treatment.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
So I don't know which one, if you know which one I need to get for it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I might be able to look that up really quick. You're just looking for the fuel treatment on the diesel side is what you're looking for, right? Yep, yep, exactly. I can look really quick for you, not a problem. I can do this. They make a 245 premium diesel fuel cleaner. That's their fuel cleaner. And then their DFC Plus is what you would just use all the time. DFC Plus. That's their daily use. If you want to do some cleaning of injectors and so on, use the 245 product.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, cool. All right. Well, I'm getting tires put on it, so have a good rest of your day. There you go. Good deal.
SPEAKER 15 :
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All right, and speaking of all of the car stuff, by the way, we just went through, give a little extra plug here for Ridgeline, because I'm not exaggerating. All of what I just went through with Dan, even on some of the out-of-state titling and so on, Ridgeline is more than happy to help walk you through some of those things you may run into as to what you should do, shouldn't do, what the correct process is, and if need be, they're willing to jump in and help. Yes, if they're getting involved in helping with paperwork on things, they're going to need some reimbursement for that, but they are there to help you with all of the things that we just mentioned. On top of that, they've got cars in stock. They can find cars for you, help you buy a new car. But literally everything I just talked to Dan about, Ridgeline Auto Brokers can walk you through all of that. So if you ever have a question, give them a call. Just go to RidgelineAutoBrokers.com.
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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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All right, this is a topic that I wasn't going to talk about, but I've had enough people that have asked questions on it. And those of you that live in Douglas County of late, and I believe there was a... And again, I don't live in Douglas County, so don't quote me on this, but I think... There either is now or has been a vote cast, and I'm sorry that I just don't keep up on Douglas County. If somebody wants to text me, let me know if and when the Douglas County voters are deciding on whether to approve a home rule charter commission. It might even be going on as we speak. It may not be totally done. The vote may have already happened. Again, I don't keep track of... what's going on outside of my own county. It's hard enough to keep track of what's going on in some of my own county, nonetheless the other counties. So I apologize. I don't keep up on every single county and what's going on in it. And this one I haven't really kept up on because, frankly, I don't have a – I don't have a dog in the fight. Some of you do that are in Douglas County, and I get it. Douglas County is really big. But it's a decision on whether or not to go to the home rule end of things. And some of you even asked me, is that a good thing? Is it a bad thing? And my answer back, and I'll just stand by this answer, it depends. And it depends on lots of factors. And this is true for any city that would want to decide to become home rule. And what does home rule mean? Let me just start there. So home rule is a form of local government. I pulled this off of the Internet, so I'm using their words, not mine. But it's a form of local government that grants a municipality the power to manage. its own affairs without requiring state government permission or approval in matters of local concern. So, in other words, home rule means we as a city, we can set our own rules, our own laws here for us. Now, they can't violate a state rule, of course, just like a state rule can't violate a federal rule, and there's always differences of opinions, and this is where you get into court cases and lawsuits and so on as to did the state overstep its bounds, sort of like gun laws. Did what we just do is what we just did, I should say, here in Colorado with the last legislative session. Is it even legal as far as all of those go? Home rule can become the same thing. And that's some of the risks you run in having home rule versus non-home rule is if you decide as a city, you're going to create some things that are outside of the parameters of what's going on inside of the state itself. Well, you could end up in a lawsuit. Because somebody could come in and say, wait a minute, you can't do that because that goes against our own state laws, our own state charter, not just what's going on here in town. So that's the risk you run in a home rule city. Now, the plus side, though, is you can actually potentially do some things for your city and your county that you might not be able because typically it can go either way. It can be home rule city, home rule county. And home rule means you're going to come up with your own set of rules that that work just for you that might be outside of what's going on in the state itself. And this is where it gets a little bit dicey. And when somebody asked me, is it a good thing or a bad thing, my answer was it depends. And what it really depends on is who's running things. Is it very liberal or is it very conservative? Because you could get a bunch of liberals in charge that take over, that just take this home rule thing to a whole other level, and you end up like Boulder. And I use Boulder as an example. You end up with a bunch of nut jobs that are running Boulder that are doing it in a way that in a lot of cases, there's lawsuits that happen there all the time because they go out and do things that, frankly, aren't cool. They're not lawful, quote-unquote. On the same token, you could have a bunch of conservatives running home rule that establish things very well. And they've set some good, you know, they put in some good laws, rules and so on that actually help the city become better at the end of the day, not worse. So when somebody said, is it a good thing? My answer was, it depends. So I again, I don't have a dog in the fight. And even some that this is becoming very controversial, even inside of our own party, home rule or not. And, again, my feeling is it can go both ways. So even for a conservative to come out and say, oh, it's bad, it's awful, or, hey, it's the best thing since sliced bread, no, neither one of those answers is true, by the way. It can go either direction, all depending upon, by the way, who's in charge. That's really what it boils down to with home rule is who is in charge and who's in charge of the rules. OK, that's that's the best way for me to say is home rule a good thing or not. It depends on who's in charge of the rules at any given point in time. And that's where home rule could be really advantageous and set you apart from what's happening in the rest of the state. Or that could backfire and go the other direction and have you doing things that are outside of what's going on in the rest of the state. But just depends on who's in charge. So I've had that come in from a few of you as listeners that are in the Douglas County area. In which direction should I be voting and not voting? And I can't say one way or the other, nor have I. You have to do your own research and determine which direction should you vote. Because, again, I don't have a dog in the fight. Don't care really one way or the other. Maybe I should, but I don't. I'm just being straight up honest. And the reason I don't care is because it comes back down to who's in charge of the home rule at any given point in time moving forward. That's the risk you run in going to home rule. There are benefits. I'm not going to tell you that there aren't benefits because there are benefits. You can address, by the way, certain local zoning and land use things and do some things differently that would be outside of what the state has already governed on, by the way. And that may be a benefit to that particular home rule city. You've got more flexibility. You can put some things in place that tailor things to, you know, your city when it comes to things that are set in regards to all sorts of things, emergency services and so on. You can do some things differently that would be outside of what is already set in place. by the state. You can have a more diverse revenue source as far as working with inside property taxes and sales taxes and so on. Again, doing things locally inside of your own home rule that can even have things to do with your credit worthiness and so on. And I don't want to get into the weeds, but when you're doing other things where you're issuing bonds and so on, there can be a negative or positive effect depending upon how things are going in home rule. And I know that's getting off into the weeds, but these are the things that can affect or have a byproduct of the home rule end of things as a city. So, you know, you can't just say that it's all great. You can't also just say that it's all bad because it really does depend upon who's running things at that time. And what I mean by it's not always bad is Because there are some good I just mentioned a moment ago. Now, the bad side is you set something in place that is fought, and now you're defending that. There's a lot of legal fees and so on. That's where home rule can get really dicey and can cost your city a lot of money if those that are in charge are not doing things correctly, much like we just went through the last legislative session here in Colorado, and we had a bunch of knuckleheads pass laws that are now going to be challenged. That means we as taxpayers are on the hook to paying for all of that. And for a lot of us as conservatives, you're going to pay twice. You're going to donate to those organizations that are fighting, you know, that want those lawsuits that are fighting it. And as a taxpayer, you're going to now fight against yourself with your own tax dollars. It's a mess when those things happen. That's the downside of the legal ramifications of some of these particular decisions, home rule being one of them. Now, again, where do I stand when it comes to home rule? Folks, it's like a lot of things. My own accountant, I'll ask him certain questions about certain tax things, and he'll say, it depends. 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SPEAKER 15 :
That's it for hour number two. Jersey Joe going to join us here right at the top of the 5 o'clock hour. Then I've got another guest joining us at 5.30 as well. Stay tuned. Hour three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
On today’s episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush is joined by Dr. Kelly Victory for a fearless exposé on the pharmaceutical industry’s grip on media, public health, and government. From the bipartisan push to end direct-to-consumer drug ads to RFK Jr.'s bold overhaul of the vaccine advisory panel, they cover the cracks in modern medicine and the price of corrupted science. Dr. Kelly sheds light on the weaponization of fear during COVID, the manipulation of data, and the disturbing legacy of Big Tobacco’s shift to the food industry. It's a must-hear for anyone who values medical freedom, informed consent, and integrity in healthcare. Plus: what Fauci’s seized devices might reveal.
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And welcome, Thursday edition, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate y'all joining us and Dr. Kelly Victory joining us today. Steve House normally with us, but he is stuck on a plane. But Dr. Kelly, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me, as always.
SPEAKER 03 :
Always a joy. Lots going on. And this came out just a little bit ago. I don't think we've even had a chance to talk about this. I didn't send anything to you guys. But for once, Bernie Sanders and I, and probably you, I know you, will agree on this particular topic. They are co-sponsoring, and he is co-sponsoring, a bill that would prohibit consumer drug ads echoing calls by RFK Jr. during his presidential campaign. There's not too many times, Dr. Kelly, that I agree with Bernie Sanders, but this is one of them.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree with you. This is a really, really important piece of legislation, and I hope that it gets passed. I have my doubts because of the power of the pharmaceutical lobby.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and really quick, two things. What you're saying there, and then, again, not trying to downplay the topic because you know me, I would never do that, but I just, and maybe I'm wrong, Dr. Kelly, I want to get your opinion. If there were a different sponsor of this bill besides Bernie, I'm sorry to say that, but if there was a more, you know, if this was Rand Paul, for example, starting this versus Bernie, do you think it would have any better chance of having legs?
SPEAKER 08 :
I don't. I think this is going to get bipartisan support. I really do. I think that what it would mean, just to be clear for the listeners, is that right now the United States is one of two countries in the entire world, the other being New Zealand. That allows pharmaceutical companies to advertise direct to the consumer on television, which is why every other television commercial you see is for some random drug, for some random medical problem that four people actually have. And the reason this is a bad practice is because these drug companies are not trying to sell another dose of Ozempic or Keytruda. What they're trying to do is control the media because it's the advertising dollars that allow them to manipulate and control what the media covers and what they don't. So if you wondered, for example, why there was so little media coverage about the disastrous impact of the COVID shots, it's because the media are told, if you cover that, if you start reporting on that, we will pull our advertising dollars from your network. So the reason this is a big deal is because allowing pharmaceutical advertising on television means that you have a dishonest, corrupt, and largely bought media. So it needs to happen. I think that there will be bipartisan support. The issue, to get full circle, is that the pharmaceutical lobby supports politicians on both sides of the aisle. There are very few congresspeople or senators who don't take in tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to their campaigns every year from the pharmaceutical lobby. And they're not going to do anything to tick them off.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so I'm going to be devil's advocate here for a moment. I agree with everything, and you know my position on this, and I think we should stop. Although, I didn't know this, and I don't know that you and I and Steve have ever talked about this before, but I learned something the other day. I don't know. I was watching something, video, and a video popped up, and I got to watching it. I'm like, holy cow, I've got to do a little more investigation on this and see if this really is true, and it turns out it is. Back in the day, Big Tobacco, where they were getting red flags at Dr. Kelly, they were going to start doing some of the same things we're talking about doing with drug companies. Pulling ads, no direct to the consumer, no more cigarette machines, and so on. And Big Tobacco got this inside information, I guess you could say, that these things were coming. And even before all of that legislation came and they had to pull out of a lot of things, including car racing and so on, they went out and injected themselves and bought a lot of companies on the big food end of things, therefore purchasing food companies like Kraft, General Foods, Nabisco, and others. And really what they did, Dr. Kelly, is they just shifted what they were doing on the tobacco side and the addiction there, moved it to the food side, got government to even change the food pyramid around, and at the end of the day... I guess my question is, are we better off today versus just letting them have, you know, advertised tobacco back in the day versus where we're at now with the food side? And if we do this to the drug companies, you know, what's our alternative? And we'll look very similar to the tobacco companies.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there's no way to say what the fallout will be with that regard, I think, John. I think ultimately we would get a lot of – positive benefit out of having a less bought media. We have the most dishonest media in the world. We're right up there with North Korea and China. Years ago, Roger Ailes, the said he wanted to get rid of pharmaceutical advertising on Fox News, but they represented more than 70% of the advertising dollars. He said, we can't afford to get rid of it. There's 70% of our revenue comes from pharmaceutical companies. So what will the fallout be? I can't say. I mean, clearly, they have for many, many decades manipulated the, quote, scientific data. We know that, for example... The sugar industry paid off back in the 60s, paid off researchers at Harvard University to say that it was fat and cholesterol that caused heart disease rather than sugar.
SPEAKER 04 :
And this is a fact.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, that's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, that goes along with... That's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, some of what I was just referring to is exactly what happened. And, you know, a lot of people at that time thought, oh, gosh, we're now going to get rid of these tobacco ads. You know, we're going to be in that much better shape health-wise as a country. Actually, Dr. Kelly, and tobacco's bad. Don't get me wrong. It's one of the most addictive things, if not the most addictive drug, nicotine, on the planet. I will never deny that. On the same token, though... as a country today, would we have been better off just letting them run their ads and left it alone? And, again, I'm just being devil's advocate. I don't know, like you said, we don't know the outcome of these things. Nobody knew the outcome back then as to what would happen. But when you look at the food sides of things and where we're at in regards to diabetes and all these other things that we talk about and obesity and kids and on and on we go, are we better off?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, we know that eliminating tobacco advertising – on television significantly decreased the number of smokers absolutely young absolutely no question no question so it had a positive impact that way and i think what needs to happen is these things can't happen in isolation john we need to get rid of you know just like we got rid of tobacco advertising we need to get rid of pharmaceutical advertising but at the same time bring back integrity to the sciences and to research, which is something that Bobby Kennedy is working on. He has said that the NIH will no longer publish any of their studies in the big medical journals, the Lancet, BMJ, JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, none of those because they are corrupt. They are owned by the pharmaceutical industry, and he has said that the NIH is going to start its own research scientifically oversight, scientific oversight, peer-reviewed journal that is not owned by Big Pharma. We need to eliminate the pharmaceutical involvement in medical schools. Medical schools are largely bought by big pharma, and they control the medical, quote, education, which is why doctors are routinely taught only, you know, certain things about certain drugs and vaccines, and they don't actually learn the real science. So I think these things can't happen in isolation. It has to happen along with all of the different things that can be done to bring integrity back to medical science.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that's evidently something that we missed in the 80s when all these big tobacco companies went out and bought a lot of the big food companies. And for all those of you listening, this is very well known. I don't know how I missed this, Dr. Kelly. I guess it's just something we don't discuss. a lot because of how long ago it was, but the reason why we've got a lot of the food addictions that we have today is because the tobacco companies at that time, as you know, Dr. Kelly, had scientists that were very keen on what makes people addicted. And all they did was take that same thing they were doing on the tobacco side and moved it over to the food side. To your point, not having enough enough backbone in the scientific community to say, wait a minute, guys, you're flat out... And I assume, Dr. Kelly, there were probably a few outliers back then like yourself and I that were crying bloody murder that this isn't going the direction that it should. You guys are letting these guys get away with things, and most people probably turned a blind eye, so... I agree with you. As long as we can keep that integrity in things and not letting the pharmaceutical companies, which, as you know, are huge. I mean, they have so much stinking money, Dr. Kelly. They could literally go out and pretty much take over any other type of industry they wanted to. We've got to have enough integrity to not allow them to do what the tobacco companies did. That's my point.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct. And I hate to tell you that, but with social media and AI and the combination of those two, there is almost a limitless ability for them to impact people's behavior.
SPEAKER 04 :
True.
SPEAKER 08 :
It happens all the time. They absolutely manipulate behavior in the same way they manipulated their foods, their advertising and everything else to make them addictive. We've talked about this on the show before. You know, when we talk about things like sugar, sugar and salt are both highly addictive. And the food industry figured it out a long time ago that if you have a food that people normally think of as salty. and you add sugar to it, you don't really taste the sugar, but it makes them more addictive. That's right. To wit, McDonald's french fries have a tremendous amount of added sugar to make them more addictive. Likewise, they add salt to the sweet foods. Now you add in social media and AI and the ability to manipulate people to manipulate how frequently they see foods, what kinds of foods, how they know when to hit you with that advertising, when you're going to be the most vulnerable. All you have to do is search one thing. you know, on the internet and then, you know, an hour later you're seeing ads for that very thing that you were just looking for. It's remarkable. You pop up ads for that thing that you just searched.
SPEAKER 03 :
You're right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And on and on. And so you really have to be aware of it. You have to realize you are being manipulated 24-7 everywhere you look. Even if you think you're just reading, you know, a news story, you are being manipulated.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, and we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush. Okay, Dr. Kelly, let's move to, and I know you saw this news, and we didn't go back and forth on this because this was pretty apparent, pretty mainstream, and that is RFK Jr. naming eight vaccine panel replacements, which Charlie reminded me of the other day, that when regimes come and go, whether it was Biden, whether it was Obama, Trump, these sorts of things, these changeovers, if you would, in some of these agencies, It's pretty common. The news media wants to make a big deal out of it, but the reality is these things happen almost every regime change anyways.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, but this one has been entrenched for quite some time. These people have been in place, some of them for more than a decade, and the vast majority of the people, and we're talking specifically about the ACIP panel, which is the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, They are the people who advise the CDC on which shots should actually make it on the childhood schedule. And if you have watched any of their hearings, it is absolutely outrageous. They've made decisions to put shots, vaccines on the childhood schedule, including, for example, the hepatitis B vaccine that babies, newborn babies get on day one. They do not need it. They did that with zero safety data and multiple doctors and multiple people on the panel in the room saying, well, do we have any data on long term effects? No, no, we don't have that yet.
SPEAKER 04 :
Unreal.
SPEAKER 08 :
It was unbelievable. It's like a Saturday Night Live.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Almost all of them had ties to big pharma. So what Robert Kennedy Jr. did was he went in and got rid of all of them. He cleared house and he is reassembling that committee, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. with a whole new group of people with totally, you know, devoid of, hopefully, any ties to the pharmaceutical industry and without conflicts of interest. And so he's just putting it back together now. And I believe that these people are far more thoughtful and will be far more scientific and have integrity as they review these things. And I believe that there's a strong likelihood as a result, John, that the childhood immunization schedule may change significantly. These folks may start over from the beginning and review and say, nope, that one's out, that one's out, that one's out, until we get more data.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here's one area where I don't generally disagree with RFK Jr. I think he's doing things correctly. There's a few things I would have done differently had I been him. But this is one area where I know why he said this. And I guess you kind of have to say it in today's world. And I'll explain why I don't think he should have. But he vowed earlier this week not to pick. ideological anti-vaxxers for the committee. And here's where I disagree, Dr. Kelly. When you've got, and I'm going to go to the business side of things, when you've got a business and there might be several different people that are a part of the business, might even be a couple, a husband and a wife, if you have two big spenders, the business fails. If you have two big bean counters, the business fails because everything is out of balance. The bean counters won't allow you to spend anything to grow the business, and the spenders spend everything, so then the business fails because you overspent, you're in debt, and you can't get out of it. So you need some balance there. You need somebody that is, in fact... a bean counter and watches things very closely, but you also need somebody that's willing to spend and move the company forward and do the things necessary to make it happen, and there's a checks and balance that goes on there. In other words, the guy that wants to spend has to prove to the bean counter that this, in fact, will make us money at the end of the day. I look at this very much the same way. If you've got an ideological anti-vaxxer on your panel, then okay, your job is to prove to that anti-vaxxer that this vaccine does, in fact, work, and it will, in fact, save lives, and it'll have very, very little side effects when it's all said and done.
SPEAKER 08 :
proper role and isn't that how it should work absolutely i think what he's trying to say is that there are some people who just on regardless of any data they just are against i get that and there's no day amount of data there's no scientific change their mind ever there's nothing that that you could change their mind you don't want that you don't want i agree has become a zealot of any sort.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 08 :
Either way. You don't want somebody who's a zealot about anything. You want people who are absolutely open-minded. They are Switzerland. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Very neutral.
SPEAKER 08 :
They're neutral. And they're willing to look at the scientific data that is presented to them. They're able to understand the flaws in study designs. They're able to understand if there were conflicts of interest on the part of the researchers that might have swayed the results. And they're able to look, you know, certainly at and weigh the risks and the benefits because there's nothing in medicine that doesn't come down to a risk-benefit calculation.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
you know, getting rid of those conflicts of interest and having people who are scientifically oriented and who take this job seriously. I honestly was appalled when I would watch some of the hearings from this committee and hearing their reasoning and saying, you just were told that there isn't any safety data available on this, yet you're perfectly happy to vote for people to put it into their children.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 08 :
That is pure evil.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is, because if you compared that to other industries that might be coming under the same scrutiny, say, you know, the auto industry, for example, and, you know, car seats and where kids are even allowed to be buckled in and what direction they're allowed to be buckled in and how long do they need to be in a booster seat and, and, and. I mean, there's all sorts of studies and things that have gone in to that, Dr. Kelly, and why, for the most part, we keep kids pretty safe in the car now from when You and I grew up and there were metal dashes and, you know, you were lucky to have anything more than just a hand holding you back. So, I mean, all sorts of things have changed since then. But yet we give more credence. This is how I see it as a layman. We give more credence to that end of things than we do this vaccine end of things.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, absolutely. And I don't know about you, but I wouldn't buy a car seat or a lawnmower or a hairdryer or anything else that's set on the box. By the way, if this malfunctions and you are killed, you have no recourse.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
You can't sue the manufacturer. I wouldn't buy that product.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 08 :
So the idea that we are injecting children or anybody with a product and say, if this malfunctions and your child is maimed or, you know, permanently disabled or, God forbid, killed, you know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Tough nuggies. Yeah. You know, your hard luck. Here's a question for you, Dr. Kelly, that, again, this is another one I don't think we've ever brushed on. How many people, because I've got my own stats in my own mind, but how many people do you feel actually go, have their kids, you know, shots done? And I get it. Some may do more than others and so on. That's kind of a personal preference. But how many of them do you feel on any level know what you just said?
SPEAKER 08 :
None. I should say very few.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's what I thought.
SPEAKER 08 :
Maybe 5% of people actually understand that you have no recourse. And this was a direct result of the Childhood Vaccine Injury Act that was passed in 1986. In an effort to encourage and incentivize the pharmaceutical companies to be more creative and inventive and to roll out more vaccines, Congress passed this law and said, or this act, and said, if your vaccine gets on the childhood schedule, you can't be sued if anything goes awry. Well, then it became a free-for-all because all of a sudden they're saying, well, shoot, in that case, if I don't have to prove that it doesn't kill people and I don't need any long-term safety studies, if I don't need anything else, I can crank these things out, you know, a mile a minute. It's real easy to produce a new vaccine if you have no liability.
SPEAKER 03 :
And here's my thought on that. I mean, coming out of the industry, I come from knowing how many warning signs, warning labels, all the different things that we have to do in the auto industry. And yet, Dr. Kelly, I know there's no rule. There should be. There should be a law stating this. There aren't. I'm not a big law guy, but in this case, I think there should be one. There ought to be a sign, a poster, and it ought to be standardized or just like you have to do OSHA posters for businesses and so on. There ought to be some sort of standardized poster hanging on the wall in that pediatrician's office that when people walk in to get their immunizations, it tells them what you just said.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. This is part of informed consent, John. And informed consent has been a joke for quite some time, not just starting with COVID. People are supposed to be getting informed consent support. any procedure intervention medication and certainly for vaccines you are supposed to be told the risks versus the benefits what alternatives there are but this isn't happening it certainly doesn't happen with vaccines it doesn't happen largely with cancer care it's very very rare that i have a patient say to me i saw the oncologist And they laid it out, the pros and the cons. What if I did all of what they're suggesting? What if I did none of what they're suggesting? Here are the alternatives. They didn't show me the studies. They didn't say any of this. Part of informed consent means understanding all of that and then making that decision, your decision, on your own, free of coercion. Which is, you know, think about the amount of coercion that happened during COVID. Okay, you don't have, we're not, you don't have to have this vaccine, but if you don't take it, you can't get on a plane. You can't go to school. You can't go to your child's graduation. You can't go to this wedding. Okay, that's coercion.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. I was just going to say, we've got the alternate to what you're talking about in regards to what I was talking about with posters. We have just the opposite. We have doctors that will basically shame you into giving your kids all of these different vaccinations and give you every excuse under the sun as to why you should. And if you don't, you're a bad parent.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not only that, John, there are many doctors out there who will fire you from their practice.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's true. Good point.
SPEAKER 08 :
They will say, if you don't vaccinate your child, that's your choice. I can't have you in my practice. And I have seen the letters written by physician practices that have done this to friends and family and patients of mine where they will say, oh, my God, I just got kicked out of the practice because... I am not having my child vaccinated according to the recommendation. And part of the reason they do that, for some it's just this constant virtue signaling, but for many it's financial. These doctors get rewarded. They get paid a bonus by the insurance companies for having 60%, 70%, 80% of your practice vaccinated, fully vaccinated. You get a financial incentive. So if you don't vaccinate your child, you bring their numbers down. You're a ding. You're a black mark on them, and they're at risk for not getting their full bonus, and they don't want that. It is absolutely unconscionable.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's criminal, Dr. Kelly. It literally is criminal. It should not be allowed to happen. Those are some of the things that need to be changed. I get it. There's a tall... list of things. You know, it's a tall order for RFK Jr. and his team to go in and fix a lot of these things. And while people say, well, yeah, he's got four years to do it, Dr. Kelly, you and I both know, I mean, we've been talking for over five now on air. Time flies, is my point.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And I am frustrated because I obviously wanted things to happen a lot more quickly than they have. I also understand that the inner workings of Washington, and there are lots of competing forces there. It is clear to me, I know Bobby Kennedy personally, and I know that if it were up to him and he had no other people to answer to, he would have taken all of the COVID shots off the market on day one in office. You know, he would have eliminated every mandate. He would have changed the childhood vaccine schedule. He would have kicked the pharmaceutical companies out of the medical schools, out of the medical journals and on and on. But that's not how Washington works. So you are literally chipping away, chipping away, chipping away small bites. And many, many times, unfortunately, it appears that what he's doing is actually the opposite. You know, he's supporting this or that or supporting, you know, and unfortunately, I have to. Just knowing who he is and knowing what he really would do on his own, I have to assume that there are just other things behind the scenes that I don't know about, deals that have been made, and he's doing the best he can. I'm sure he's frustrated. Look at what happened with Elon Musk and Doge. Same thing. He gets in there. He's got great ideas for what he can do, but that's not how D.C. works. They wouldn't let him do a significant portion of the things that he suggested, and instead he got ridiculed and criticized on one side and not on the other.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and before we move on, a lot of folks will come back and even criticize those leaders, RFK Jr., Trump, and so on. And while, yes, I know they're leaders, and yes, they have a lot of influence on a lot of these things that are happening, Dr. Kell, you and I both know that the machines of D.C. are so large that there is no way that those two individuals can have their fingers in every single little thing that I mean, you take even a decent-sized medical practice and the, you know, quote-unquote doctor, doctors, plural, even in charge, there is no way they know every little thing going on inside of their practice. I know some people listening would say, how can that be? Dr. Kelly, you and I both know, because it gets so large, you just can't have your fingers and everything going on. It's just the way it is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And I'm sure that there are people in that administration who are working against Trump, who are working against Bobby Kennedy. There are moles in every administration. You've got senators like Bill Cassidy, who's absolutely in the pocket of big pharma. He's a Republican and he absolutely is doing everything he can to stop Bobby Kennedy from doing anything that would impact the pharmaceutical industry negatively because that guy takes millions of dollars from them. So there are a lot of people and unfortunately there's not a darn thing. that Bobby Kennedy can do about that other than, as I said, chip away, chip away, chip away, make small moves like this thing he just did with the ACIP panel. That's great. And, you know, Very small bites, hopefully, will ultimately, over the four years, make a difference.
SPEAKER 03 :
If I were him, and I'm not, but if I were him and or were close to advising him, I would be saying, you know what, first thing, just like anything else you do in business, Dr. Kelly, to your point, Chip, weight the small things. What can you get done immediately? What kind of immediate changes can we make? But then on top of that, Dr. Kelly, I would be looking at it as, okay, And I know nothing lasts forever. But in politics, to your point, even with this particular panel that was just replaced, if you get some of the right people in the right places and look long term, you could have really long lasting impressions and make a difference for a very long time. if you did some of those things correctly. And if I were advising him, I'd be also saying, listen, let's get some of these easy wins in. Let's get some of these things done and out of our way. But long term, what are some of the things that we can do to make lasting change, lasting impression, including even some legislative things like we talked about earlier with Bernie Sanders and ads for Big Pharma and so on? I mean, what are some of these major things that Yeah, somebody else could come along and change them on down the road, but it will be very difficult once something gets established to do so. What are some of those things we could be working on and make happen, i.e., what I just said a moment ago about even – something as simple, Dr. Kelly, as, okay, we want every single doctor's office out there that's doing – administering vaccines, pediatricians. We want a poster somewhere in, if not several, inside of their practice letting people know that they're – There is total immunity if something goes awry. I'll tell you what, Dr. Kelly, I think there's a lot of parents out there that if they knew that and they knew that were the case and they're staring at the poster while they're looking at these forms that they're consenting to, they'd take a different approach.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree with you. And I think there's a big movement afoot to return informed consent back to medical practice. That's certainly one of the key focus. you know, focuses of the medical freedom movement in terms of what can be done in this administration. I think Bobby is attacking some of them right now. Even, you know, the thing he did with, you know, the food dyes that people have been talking about removing these artificial food dyes for decades. And he pretty much has gotten that done. Small move, but important. Changing the foods that are allowed on the SNAP program. Incredibly important. This isn't punitive. This is saying, look, people are on federal subsidies for food. They shouldn't be buying soda and candy and junk food with it because those same people are largely on federal subsidies, by the way, for their health care. So we are subsidizing their foods and their health care, and it makes no sense. So that's a big deal. I think if he's able to eliminate some of the conflicts of interest, in the media by removing pharmaceutical advertising dollars, that would be a huge thing. Returning integrity to medical science by bringing the research in-house at the NIH and bringing the journal in-house at the NIH, that's a big deal because doctors at this point are hard-pressed to know where to turn to get honest science. It certainly isn't the Lancet, the British Medical Journal, JAMA, or any of the rest of them. They are nothing more than marketing arms for big pharma. So you can't read a journal right now and think that you're getting honest science. You're not. So there are things that he can do. I think just focusing on the chronic disease burden, focusing on obesity, I would like to see him focus more on what we need to do with regard to exercise. We've got to return physical education to our school system. On a daily basis, at least four days a week. We need to have more schools that are screen-free without cell phones. Cell phone-free schools. There's no reason for children to have a cell phone on their person at school, ever. So those are things that I think are meaningful changes, and if some of those things can be done, I think it would be fantastic.
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And we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today. I appreciate you joining us again, Dr. Kelly. And I think you did see this one. I think we went back and forth on this one. Kash Patel announcing that there was a possible breakthrough after the seizure of Fauci's phone and devices. Now, I'm not one to get too excited over some of these things because, frankly, Dr. Kelly, I think it'll be a cold day, and you know what, before anything legally speaking ever happens to Dr. Fauci. But if we could even get... what he did exposed, I would call that a win. I don't think he'll ever do jail time for anything he did, even though he should be.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree. I think he's Teflon, and not even just because of the phony pardon that he got. uh... by the auto pan from joe biden uh... i just think that they will rally around the attack to have a great uh... but i think that there is value to exposing just how deep the corruption went we already have the emails we are e can show uh... that they were purposely and knowingly trying to keep information hidden from the public they were trying to use private email accounts uh... you there on the record saying that they wanted to everything from uh... trying to stop the conversations about the true origins of the COVID virus, meaning that it actually came from the lab in Wuhan, not from the wet market. Everything to covering up the known negative side effects and adverse effects from the mRNA shots. The fact that masks didn't work, that social distancing was completely made up. The idea of six feet had no scientific basis. was a number they just pulled out of thin air, that there was no reason to shut down the schools, that the lockdown was a fraud, and they did it purely to try to make people miserable so that it would increase vaccine acceptance. I mean, this is on and on. We have those emails. We have those receipts. People should be very, very angry. So will Fauci be held accountable personally? No, I doubt it. Much to my dismay. But there's a special place in hell for him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Yep, you're right.
SPEAKER 08 :
So that'll happen. That'll happen. On God's watch. But I do think that there is a value to exposing again to the American people because I want people to be angry about it. I want people because that's the only way, John, that you assure that people don't fall for it.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. That's absolutely right, Dr. Kelly. Yeah, they have to know what happened. And it's one of those things, too, to where, like we've talked about, even with the vaccine ends of things, it has to be communicated correctly or the average person won't know it. They won't believe it. They'll poo-poo it, whatever the case. We've got to do a good job of... getting that information out. And the reason I look at it that way, Dr. Kelly is, you know, things have a tendency to repeat themselves, there was a huge test, I believe we talked about this, you and I and Steve House did during COVID itself, there was a huge test on what can we get by with when it comes to, you know, the American people, how much freedom will they give away, for example, or exchange, if you would, for quote-unquote security. And it was a big, huge test, and frankly, we failed big time. And the reality is, I don't want to fail the next time. I want to do a better job, because there will, trust me on this, folks, there will be a next time. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, and how well are we going to handle that the next time around, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely, and I've said to many people during this entire debacle, I said, if you wonder how you would have behaved in Nazi Germany... If you want. OK, look at how you didn't know how you look at how you behaved in COVID.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Were you that person, you know, you know, yelling six feet distance at people calling on your neighbor that they were out of their house and shouldn't have been. Right, ratting out your neighbor for having too many cars in front of his house on the Fourth of July barbecue. Were you that person mocking or ridiculing people who chose not to get vaccinated? Were you that person who was virtue signaling by wearing a mask and criticizing other people? Were you that person? Because you need to own it if you were and maybe have a little contrition and maybe go back to some of the people whose faces you are in and say, you know what? Now that all the data is out, it turns out I was wrong and I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I behaved that way because I was wrong. And next time I will try to do better.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sad thing is, Dr. Kelly, I know a lot of people that even were slamming me publicly on even my page, you as well, Steve House, I mean, all of us. I mean, I look at a lot of these people. I have yet to see one single public apology on their own page stating the things that you just stated. It's not in them, Dr. Kelly. I hate to say it, but that's one of the things that I have really been disgruntled about with mankind is the fact that they now know, here in the U.S. especially, they now know what was going on. They've got data, to your point a moment ago. They can see with their own two eyes and read what's going on and determine exactly the mistakes that they were making, and yet not one of them, I haven't seen it anyways, not one of them has apologized.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree. Believe me, people like myself who got halted from the medical board over and over and over again for things that I said on air. You know, how can you say that? How can you say that there are dangers to the vaccine? How can you say that masks don't work? How can you say that social distancing was made up now that all of those things have been acknowledged? I haven't gotten any letters of apology from the medical board.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, no.
SPEAKER 08 :
The amount of time and money and legal costs for me to go and defend myself over and over and over again, let alone those people like Drs. McCullough or Mary Talley Bowden, people who had their medical licenses just taken away or their board certification taken away because they weren't successful in defending themselves. Where are their apologies? Zero. So, you know, I think, again, and that's why I'm encouraging people to be a little, you know, be introspective and say, was I that person? And if you were, because you were fearful or you believed what you were hearing on TV or whatever, and you embraced it. And have the humility to go back to those people, whether it was family members or friends, and say, you know what, by the way, I was acting out of fear. I believed the stuff. I didn't know what else. And I'm sorry. for the way I behaved, because that's the right thing to do.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it is. And, again, unfortunately, and this is my disappointment with, you know, where we are as a society today, we aren't. Nobody is. And, you know, you and I rarely do we even say, you know, we told you so. I mean, we did. We told everybody all the way through that this was just utter nonsense. We told, in my case, I know yours as well, Steve's as well, told, you know, family, friends. I fortunately had a lot of family that didn't buy into all that nonsense. I was very lucky that way. But there were other families that literally, Dr. Kelly, had huge divisions inside of them because of the things that you're talking about. And it's high time that, A, those families need to try to, you know, mend the fences, if you would. But in doing so, those people that started it, and really it was the mask wearers and social distancers and all of that that started all this nonsense. They were the ones that wouldn't allow you know, family to come over unless you had the shot. You couldn't come over unless you were masked up. You couldn't come over at all because, by the way, there's no way you're going to stay six feet from me. There were families that didn't even get together because of that nonsense. There needs to be some huge apologies made in a lot of families, and I'm afraid it's not happening.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree with you, and that's why I am encouraging people to do that. I try to give people a way back in by saying, I know you were fearful. I know you were afraid. I know that that's why you were behaving that way. But at some point, they need to man up and own that. I certainly have a family that I was the only one in my extended family that did not get vaccinated. And I was disinvited from Thanksgiving for five years in a row because I was not vaccinated. Now, fast forward, they're saying... Yeah, you know, all of a sudden I'm getting the invitations, and everyone just wants to pretend it didn't happen.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. They want to act like it never happened.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. They just want to pretend it didn't happen. And I try to be gracious, but at some point I think it would go a long way, and I have had some of my siblings come to me and say, wow, I am sorry.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good for them.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm sorry because I'm scared. And you turned out to be right. And I said... You know, I appreciate that. And but I also think you have a reason to be angry, not angry at me, but be angry at what happened. The system made a fool of you.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
They made a fool of you. They they they sat back and laughed at what you were doing. They sat back and, you know, and laughed at you. the lengths you would go to to follow these ridiculous things, you know, six feet distancing and all of this. They made a, I mean, they were mocking you.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. That's right. Dr. Kelly, as a side note, and you just gave me an idea, you probably already thought of this because you're way smarter than I. You should really write a book on everything that you're talking about, not to ditz those people that were that way, but to really kindly show them that, listen, there are a lot of people out there that you were probably angry at at that time that now have turned out to be very true. You owe them an apology. Here's how you can allow yourself to let those things happen and how you can start down that path of reconciliation. You ought to write a book on that, literally.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it's very, very important, John, because honestly, I survey people everywhere I go. I have not met somebody who has not either lost a good lifelong friend. or a relationship with a family member over the friction that was caused by COVID. They did this purposely. They did. They absolutely pitted son against father and mother against daughter, siblings against one another. This was done purposely in an attempt to manipulate people's behavior. Absolutely. They know it's a very powerful thing to do. Shaming and shunning people, that is biblical. Yeah. The idea of saying you are the unclean, we are going to shame you, shun you, keep you from society, say you may not participate in these social events. It is one of the most powerful ways to manipulate behavior, and that's what our government did to us. And these were not mistakes that the government made. This was purposeful, and people need to never forget.
SPEAKER 03 :
Amen. Great closing. Dr. Kelly, as always, thank you so much. I know you take time out of your week for us, which I am extremely thankful for. Our listeners are as well. I get feedback from them on an ongoing basis. And, you know, A, thank you for helping all of us be right and straightened out all of this time. We didn't miss a beat. We were strong all the way through. You have been. And I appreciate all the great guidance you've given each and every one of us. And I mean that sincerely.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, thanks for having me, and thanks, as always, John, for giving me this platform. Now it's a little bit easier, but there were some pretty dark days there where I was...
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was kicked off every social media platform. Well, we were happy to be a part of it, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 03 :
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Join John Rush and Jersey Joe for another insightful session where they discuss intriguing parables and social critiques. This episode opens with Joe sharing an amusing yet pointed story about Costco and Sam’s Club that captures the issues of entitlement and boundaries in a humorous light. From there, they engage in a captivating dialogue about policy discrepancies exemplified by contrasting advice from Canadian and Floridian law enforcement, thereby highlighting cultural attitudes towards self-defense and crime prevention. This leads to a broader discussion on the cost of incarceration and its implications for taxpayers, evoking thoughts on the societal impacts of crime. Lastly, the episode addresses the term 'mostly peaceful protests,' dissecting media narratives and public perception. John reads a controversial quote by Nancy Pelosi regarding the exuberance of rioters, provoking a critical analysis on how leadership responds to civil unrest during challenging times. Tune in for an episode that promises to be as thought-provoking as it is entertaining.
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And we're back, Hour 3, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Jersey Joe joining us now. Joe, what's up, sir?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, John, tonight I'm coming to you live from Atlantic City, New Jersey, and the reason I'm down in Atlantic City, my grandson graduated from the New Jersey Police Academy yesterday, which is down in Cape May, New Jersey.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, congratulations.
SPEAKER 10 :
And, by the way, if you're any further south, you'd be in the water. It's at the very tip, southern tip of New Jersey.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. Know where it is.
SPEAKER 10 :
And we came down. Oh, you've been to Cape May.
SPEAKER 03 :
Not. I haven't. My wife has, and she talks about it. So I know it from that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep. And for those who are not familiar with what you have to go through to become a police officer, it's a 22-week program. You live in a barracks, bunk beds, you know, with a four-inch mattress.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Shaved head. You're up at 6 o'clock every morning. Your day starts with a mile-and-a-half run. And it's 22 weeks. And, by the way, he lost 25 pounds.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 10 :
They were 22 weeks, lost 25 pounds.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 10 :
And it's, you know, and they do a lot of classroom, you know, law, search and seizure, you know, rights. Sure.
SPEAKER 03 :
Constitutional stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Constitutional stuff. And, by the way, the dropout rate, they started with 76 and wound up with 63. So they lost 13 along the way. Right. And to put that in perspective, Army basic training is only eight weeks. So to become a police officer, it's six months of intensive. Oh, and no phones. They take your phone away. When you show up Monday morning, you hand in your phone, and you don't get your phone back until Friday night. Wow. Good for them. That's good. And good for him, by the way. Yep, great program, and he's got a job with a— with a police department in New Jersey. They made him an offer prior to graduation, so he's going to go to work getting it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, tell him thank you. We appreciate that. That is awesome.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Well, I appreciate it. I'll pass it on. John, before we get into other stuff, you know, as a commercial pilot... Yeah, I haven't talked about that yet, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
The India crash, do you want to talk about that for a moment?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and I'm a commercial pilot, and I've seen a video of the plane, and what happened, the plane took off, and it barely got airborne, you know, off the departure end of the runway, and then It did what's called an aerodynamic stall. It basically stopped flying and just settled belly.
SPEAKER 03 :
It just came down. And I'm not an airline guy, but I want to see how close I am because since you're an expert on this and I am not here, from watching it several times, listening and so on, here are my thoughts. And I could be completely off track. But, A, I don't think it had enough airspeed. B, the flaps weren't down. And it seemed to me like it just – and, again, this is me observing, and I know planes are really heavy. But to me, that one seemed like it was extra heavy, but maybe that's because of the two things I just said.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, Tony, I think you're spot on. Very, very close. And a plane like that can't take off without flaps and this leading edge. To get maximum lift at low airspeed, you want to add curvature to the wing, and you add curvature to the wing by lowering the flaps of the back edge, and then there's a drooping leading edge flap. They call them a flap on the front.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 10 :
So by lowering the flap in the front and deploying the flaps in the back, you basically... You curve the wing, and that's great for low speed. You get lift at low speed. It's awful at high speed because you don't want all that drag. And it looked to be they skipped that part of the checklist and attempted to take off with no flaps and no slats. And you can't fly that plane.
SPEAKER 03 :
Not that one. No, the Dreamliner. That's stinking. As you know, that baby's heavy, Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
That baby's heavy, and it looks like the wings were clean, which is how you would want them at 30,000 feet.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the reason I say that for all of you listening is when I first saw that, and there's a video where somebody just happened to be at the right place at the right time as it was going over the top, and it was going down, not up, and yet you can tell the engines are up, and you could just tell this thing is lagging. It is super heavy. It wants to literally fall out of the sky, which essentially, Joe, is what it did.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, when people say an airplane's fault, it doesn't mean the engines quit working.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, it has no lift.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, you lost airflow over the top of the wing, and you basically just drop. Your wings are no longer generating lift, and you literally just fall out of the sky. The engines are still working just fine, but you don't have the lift. And that looks like what happened is that they forgot to deploy the flaps, and that's part of your checklist. And if they get into it, you know, it hasn't happened in the U.S. I think in 20 years.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, for a lot of people listening, and Joe, if you fly enough, you can literally hear those things being engaged. You know, you're sitting there. You know, it's okay to taxi out and so on. And a lot of times you can literally be sitting there. At least I pay attention to this. You can hear those sorts of things happening. They sound like large groans, and you kind of wonder, okay, what's going on? But that's the hydraulics, and it's making the flaps move. you know, go down, and you can typically hear those things as you're sitting there getting ready to take off.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's kind of a whiny groan, like a whine. Some of them are jack screws, threaded jack screws, and others are just hydraulics.
SPEAKER 03 :
And even those are still run by hydraulics or just a pump that's running the jack screw.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
There's no little guy down there running those things in and out with a hand crank. Let's just say that, Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. So I think, John, in about a year from now when the Indian – Now, by the way, since it was a U.S.-built aircraft, the American NTSB will be involved, and representatives from Boeing will be involved, too, but it's going to be handled by the India Air Transportation.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, again, just from looking at the airplane itself, it was not a, in my opinion, again, I'm not you, Joe, I'm not an expert in this, but it didn't look to me like there was anything defective there that was pilot error.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, pilot error. Forgot to deploy the flaps and the slats.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. That's sad, because a lot of people died, which didn't need to.
SPEAKER 10 :
242 people, plus it landed on a cafeteria. Yeah, on a school. Five students. Yep. On a medical school, and five people in the cafeteria were killed, too. That's sad. Anyway, that's today's tragedy. All right. John, I gave you two quotes. One's a two-video clip. One's of Thomas Sowell, but before we do the Thomas Sowell, we all know Thomas Sowell, the economist. He's an African-American economist. And, you know, have we talked about how all the violence in Europe, you know, the no-go zones and all the bombings in Sweden from Muslim bombings? And here's a quote from Thomas Sowell on the situation in Europe. And he said, Europe is belatedly discovering how unbelievably stupid it was to import millions of people from cultures that despise Western values and which often promote hatred towards the people who have let them in. So they let in these people, they despise your values, and now you let them into your country, and now they hate you because they despise your value. That kind of sums it up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it sums it up. Do you want me to play that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, why don't you, it's not quite enough, but let's play the Thomas Sowell clip. It's real quick on the difference between equal opportunity and equal outcomes. And by the way, he uses the term redistributionists.
SPEAKER 03 :
Are you ready, Charlie, for me? Okay, here we go.
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Redistributionists is between opportunity and outcomes. And one of the examples I used in a recent column was, you know, when I was a kid, I briefly tried to play basketball. And, I mean, I was lucky to hit the backboard, never mind basket, you know. We had just as much opportunity to play basketball as Michael Jordan had. You cannot measure opportunity by outcomes. And that's what the redistributionists insist on doing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Big confusion. Well said, I should say, Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, because they all want equal outcomes. And I think we talked about this a couple months back about wealth inequality. I view wealth inequality as a symptom of a healthy capitalist economy. The only place you will find no wealth inequality... is in places like North Korea, Somalia, Cuba. Yeah, where everybody is equally poor because there's no opportunity to become a... No incentive to do anything other than what you're already doing, and the only buddy that has anything better than that are the guys running the place. Right. Because there's no incentive to take the risk. I mean, if you watch the Disney... If you watch the... The men who built Disney. Walt Disney took, you know, some incredible risks, not once, three or four times.
SPEAKER 03 :
Massive, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
In building what is today.
SPEAKER 03 :
And so did a lot of others. Joe, we could be here the rest of the hour naming off the folks that did from literally even in today's world, the Elon Musk to the Henry Fords to the Rockefellers to on down the line we go. Everybody looks at those guys and thinks, oh, yeah, well, they made it. You know, the left will say, well, yeah, but they're the ultra rich. Well, how do you think they got there, Joe?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, they took the gambles. And by the way, for every one that's successful, there's 50 to 100 that gambled and lost.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or more.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, or more.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, every one of those guys that I just mentioned, from Musk to Ford, both of those guys were literally, Joe, as you know, on the edge of losing it all. In some cases, mortgaging or putting every single thing they had back into it to see it succeed. You know, they didn't get there by chance, is my point.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I worked for Carrier. Willis Carrier, the father of air conditioning, mortgaged his home. He borrowed from friends and family. He was deeply in debt and penniless. If he hadn't been successful, he would have lost his home and been bankrupt.
SPEAKER 03 :
And there's guys like, you know, Tucker for lots of other reasons, but did exactly that and did end up penniless and poor.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, right. Yeah, Tucker automobile, right? Right. Yeah. All right. Hey, John, I want to move on to a parable. You went to Bible school. You did a lot of parables. Oh, yeah. All right. So here's a parable, John. So I went to Costco the other day, and I managed to sneak in around the card reader. You know, I didn't have a card, because I didn't want to wait in line to get an actual membership or one of those one-day passes. So they finally caught me in the store, and they asked me to leave or go to the service desk to get a membership card. But instead of leaving, I demanded free products and food and waved my Sam's Club flag in the middle of the Costco store. Good one. To show them just how much I love Costco and why I want to stay there. When they still asked me to leave, I began stealing whatever I could and threw frozen hamburger patties at the store security. They should have just let me in, shopped there without a membership because I'm special.
SPEAKER 03 :
You forgot one part, Joe. What's that? You lit the center section on fire as well. That's right.
SPEAKER 10 :
I forgot that.
SPEAKER 03 :
You missed that part.
SPEAKER 10 :
I missed that part.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the checkout lanes. I mean, you know, the reality is you did a lot more damage than what you just said.
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Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Unbelievable. It's a great parable because what you just said, while we laugh at it, it really isn't any different than what some of these knuckleheads are doing right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, they're coming into our country, and they're waving the Mexican flag. If you're so proud of Mexico, why are you here waving the Mexican flag? Why aren't you back in the country? You're waving the flag. All right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, Joe, and I've seen, just for all of you listening, before somebody on the left get mad at me, I have seen, Joe, not one but dozens of videos by Mexicans that have come here that did things correctly, that are now citizens, that are basically saying the same thing you and I are. Like, what are you knuckleheads doing?
SPEAKER 10 :
Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, it's just... What are you knuckleheads doing? Why are you waving at this? So that would be, again, the equivalent of going at the Costco and waving a Sam's Club flag.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
Why are you, you know, if you like Sam's Club, why are you here?
SPEAKER 03 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 10 :
Why are you here?
SPEAKER 03 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, do we have to go to a break?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, we can do the next one. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right, all right. So here's, let me get this set up. So it's really quick. It's like a 20-second clip. So it's a Canadian sheriff. He's holding, like, a town hall meeting. He's giving advice to people. because there's been a rash of people breaking into homes, you know, trying to get the key fobs to the cars. And then we have a Florida sheriff giving advice to his people in his town. So it happens real quick. You'll have to listen for the cutover from what the sheriff, Canadian sheriff is telling the people in his room to what? Here we go.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. The possibility of being attacked in your home, leave your fobs at your front door. Because they're breaking into your home to steal your car. They don't want anything else.
SPEAKER 19 :
Somebody's breaking into your house, you're more than welcome to shoot them in Santa Rosa County. We prefer that you do, actually. We have a gun safety class we put on every other Saturday. And if you take that, you'll shoot a lot better, and hopefully you'll save the taxpayers money.
SPEAKER 03 :
That is hilarious, Joe. What a dichotomy between the two.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, no, just lay back, let them take your car, leave your key fob near the front door so they don't have to come into your bedroom for it. Just let them break into your house, take your key fob, and let them go without hurting you. In Florida, just get your gun and shoot them. There's other sheriffs that shoot them so they look like Swiss cheese, you know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Beat them back out of the house. I know that sheriff. I listen to him quite a bit. He's not being facetious. He's being very honest there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, absolutely, because, by the way, so if a thug gets arrested and demands a jury trial, court-appointed attorney, prosecutor, staff, it's a $200,000 trial. Then you know what it costs to keep somebody in jail these days?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, it's a fortune, Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
Depending on the state, something like California is more than $100,000 a year, but let's say $80,000 a year. So if you send a guy to jail for 10 years at $80,000 a year, that's $800,000 plus the $200,000, you know, in court costs. And it's a million dollars to send a thug to jail for 10 years.
SPEAKER 03 :
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 10 :
So when he says, you know, save the taxpayers money, that's what he got.
SPEAKER 03 :
He means it. Yeah, he means it. He means it, absolutely. There was an old song, I haven't heard it for the longest time, it was about, you know, Clint Eastwood and Dirty Harry and all that, and there's one little part of the song where he talks about, you know, no, let's see, how does it go? Something about... No something and no reports to file, something along those lines. In other words, same situation. We'll just save everybody money when it's all said and done.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep, said and done. Mostly peaceful protests. You know what, I guess what mostly peaceful means is that less than 51% of the cars are on fire.
SPEAKER 03 :
Ah, less than 51%. That's mostly. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Or less than 50% are in fire.
SPEAKER 03 :
So you've got to be at that 50% or lower, so 49% or lower to be mostly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Mostly, right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You sound like Nancy Pelosi now. She said something similarly as stupid, Joe. I mean, I don't have it in front of me. I should have pulled that clip. I don't have it in front of me. But she basically said something to the effect of, you know, they're just letting off steam. They're just venting. I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially what Nancy Pelosi said.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, come on.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm not joking, Joe. That's basically what she said.
SPEAKER 10 :
Did you see the picture of the there are people on the overpass throwing cinder blocks and rocks at the police cars on the road?
SPEAKER 03 :
I did not see that. No, that one I missed. I didn't see that.
SPEAKER 10 :
There's three or four L.A. police cruisers stopped under this underpass. I guess traffic was blocked and there were people on the overpass throwing, you know, good sized rocks, you know, bigger than your hand. And this is not National Guard. This is L.A. Police Department. And these cars are being broken windshield, hoods paved in, and the cops are running for cover under the underpass because one of the rocks is going to kill you.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I found a quote. Nancy said that she dismissed the riots, saying that the rioters were caught up in exuberance. So, Joe, they're just being exuberant in what they're doing. I'm not lying. That's exactly what she said.
SPEAKER 10 :
Nancy needs to go. Nancy's time has passed.
SPEAKER 03 :
Her time has passed. I mean, by the way, she had a hard time getting exuberance. Even Al probably had to have one of her handlers telling her ear what that even means. But, yeah, that was her quote. They were just being exuberant.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, my goodness. What else we got to talk about today, John? Let's see. Well, John, I missed most of the previous hour. What did you have going on?
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Oh, you know, honestly, we cut off. I had a lot of things to talk about, and a lot of folks, we actually got talking about DMV and getting things licensed and titled and elderly people driving and so on. So nothing to really do on a nationwide basis. Had some home stuff. One thing I do want to mention. And while you're with me, I'll do this, Joe. And this is, I was going to do this anyways, because I am critical of equal sides when it's necessary. And one thing that I'm going to be critical of, and I've seen some folks even here around our area reposting some things, And this is about Christy Walton and her views on tariffs and so on. And first of all, Christy Walton being a very rich lady, she actually inherited. Her husband was actually a Walton. She is not. She is not a Walton by birth. She married and her husband died in a tragic accident. Actually, it was an airplane accident, an experimental aircraft he died in. So she inherited all of his money. So a lot of people out there on our side will say that, well, you know, the Waltons are for this, the Waltons are for that. Well, time out. No, it's Christy Walton, and she's not necessarily a quote-unquote Walton. And it's nothing that she has done, by the way, is anything that would be said by anything Walmart-wise or Walton-wise. But yet our side will come out and want to destroy Walton because of some of Christie's sayings. And those of you listening, please, you've got to separate the two. They are not one and the same.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, she married into the family. Yeah, she's worth $18 billion. That's right. She's not a Walton by birth. She's a Walton by marriage.
SPEAKER 03 :
And she's very much anti-Trump, but that does not mean that Walton or that Walmart or the rest of the Waltons are. Just because she is doesn't mean everybody else is. So our side tends to throw everybody into one thing, Joe, and that's wrong. And when we do that, we are being as much of a knucklehead as the other side is when we do that.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, she has no say, other than the fact that she's a voting shareholder.
SPEAKER 03 :
She owns 1.6% of the stock. It's very low.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. She's not part of the management team. She has no say in how Walmart conducts its business.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. That's right. So I just want to make sure we close with that so that our side knows not to repost things that make us look stupid.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, she doesn't speak for Walmart. She has no control over Walmart.
SPEAKER 03 :
And where a lot of this came from is she is a proponent of the no King's Day coming up, of course, Saturday. But again, just because she is does not mean that Walmart is. So no, folks, we don't need to boycott Walmart because of what Christy is saying.
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Yes, and by the way, the left has... is characterizing that parade on Saturday as Trump's birthday parade. It happens to be the exact date of the 250th anniversary of the founding of the U.S. Army. That's right. That's exactly right. So it's not Trump. It happens to be Trump's birthday, but that's not the reason for the parade. That's right. It's to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the founding of the U.S. Army. That's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm glad you brought that up. That's a good place to close. Thank you for doing that, Joe. I appreciate that.
SPEAKER 10 :
My pleasure, John.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Our next guest, candidate for lieutenant governor of North Carolina, Dr. Josh McConkie, Air Force colonel and author of Be the Weight Behind the Spear. Dr. Josh, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you very much. Appreciate you having me on the show.
SPEAKER 03 :
I appreciate it, and this was good timing because when I saw your name come up and what we could talk about today in regards to Fathers and Father's Day, which is just on Sunday, and this is sort of getting close to my last segment of the week. We do movie reviews and things tomorrow, so really going to be my last segment as we approach Father's Day. So, A, I appreciate you joining us in regards to that. And I don't know where to start here, Dr. Josh, other than I think in a lot of cases, you know, Mother's Day is great. Moms get a lot of credit, as they should. Mother's Day is a much bigger, you know, quote, unquote, holiday. And I think in a lot of cases, Father's Day kind of ends up just being the gratitude of, well, we did mom, so now we got to do dads. And dads get a bad rap in a lot of cases. And frankly, Dr. Josh, it shouldn't be that way.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, Father's Day, it's a very special day for me. Obviously, my father was huge in my life. I've got three children of my own. And just realizing that what you have to give, you know, really matters. The best resource that we have in this country, it's our people. We look at teachers, coaches, volunteers, and families, and fathers.
SPEAKER 03 :
Amen. Okay, so the book, Be the Weight Behind the Spear. A, what do you mean by that, and what are we going to find in the book?
SPEAKER 04 :
So be the weight behind the spear. It's my personal leadership ethos. I've worked with a lot of special operations and individuals that have been the tip of the spear. And every single one of them has had someone in their life, a teacher, coach, or family member that have given them the amazing confidence to do what they do. And I don't jump out of airplanes and take out bin Laden, but I do take care of men and women that do. That's being the weight behind the spear in your community.
SPEAKER 03 :
Makes total sense. And, hey, thank you for doing that, by the way. And, again, I was not trying to be down on Mother's Day a moment ago because moms deserve a lot of credit. I just feel like at times, Dr. Josh, that men go to all sorts of different places. And, frankly, in some cases it can be in the pew on Sunday, and they just get beat up. They're not doing this right. They're not doing that right. They need to do this better, do that better. And, by the way, I'm not saying that some of that isn't true or that all of that isn't true, but at times I think men can feel very – deflated and like, you know, they don't matter, you know, other people and even their kids' lives matter more, and frankly, Dr. Josh, nothing could be farther from the truth. Dads matter greatly.
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They do, and even realizing that just a father figure in your life, some people don't have a father figure, but you've got a coach or a teacher or another family member that can step into that role. I mean, it takes a village. It's a team sport. Like, all males need to get involved.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And I think sometimes men, you know, we sometimes even sell ourselves a little short in that particular arena. You know, we think at times, you know, the world, by the way, and I've said this for a year, Dr. Josh, I've been critical of even TV and movies and sitcoms and so on. I mean, they've made dad to be a buffoon for years and years and years. And yes, I get it. There's a lot of comedy in that and it becomes very fun. But at times it's very degrading as well because, you know, we're not all Al Bundy. I mean, the reality is we're not all buffoons. As much as that show was funny, we're not that way, nor should we be, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And the Homer Simpsons out there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And by the way, I could keep rolling. There's many a sitcom to where, you know, dads are very much made fun of. Mom's the, you know, the light at the end of the tunnel and dad's the big buffoon. And frankly, Dr. Josh, it should not say mom shouldn't be that way. They should be a light in the family. But so should dads. It's a co-parenting. It's a co, you know, I don't want to say dependency, but it's a co-sharing of those responsibilities to raise up good men and women.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's a team in my household. My wife, obviously, she's a – I'm a colonel in the Air Force, but at home she is running the ship for sure. So, you know, it's a team sport, and, you know, it does take a family.
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So for those men that are listening, Dr. Josh, to where, yeah, I get it. Sometimes you can feel, man, you had a rough day at work and everybody was down on you there and things didn't go quite as well as it should be, whether you're blue-collar, white-collar, which I hate those names because we're all doing what we need to do to make things work and put food on the table and keep our economy moving forward and so on. So at the end of the day, everybody's needed. But, man, some days it can just be disastrous. And you come home at night and you think, holy cow, what else can go wrong? And then whatever else happens to be from the day gets laid on you and you go to bed at night and think, holy cow, I got to do this all over again tomorrow. So, you know, how how do we encourage men along those lines?
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So, you know, having those resiliency skills, a lot of that is making sure that you're taking time for yourself as well. Mental health is something that men do not like to talk about. As an emergency physician, it's something I see when it doesn't get addressed, the very late stages of that with anxiety, depression, and unfortunately some suicide. So have a good crew around you. Have that weight behind your spirit, spirit of your colleagues. or some other family members or close friends that you can lean on. And everyone has a different set of skills and things that they can contribute. So either coaching or volunteering at a church or school. Or if you don't like people, you know, go to an animal shelter. Those animals are the emotional support animals for somebody.
SPEAKER 03 :
My wife will love you for that. She's big on that, so absolutely. Point being, find your skill set. Find what you're good at. Find what you enjoy. Also, to your point, Dr. Josh, what helps you out mentally when it's all said and done? Because my next question is, how do we send the message, even to those that are listening, that aren't dads? Maybe they're male, female, doesn't matter, but those that aren't dads, that don't feel that weight I just mentioned a moment ago, how can those folks help dads?
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So those individuals, that is the best resource we have in this country. It's our people. So that resource, it's about your community, getting out there, volunteering. Everyone has something different to give. There's so many different organizations that you can be a part of. You're helping to build the future, our future leaders, and the next generation of Americans. Get involved. We need you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Amen. Yeah, absolutely. The other thing I personally want to pass on is, Dr. Josh, everybody has a different experience with their dad, some good, some bad. I've got some great experiences with mine. He was great when we were little, especially when it came to teaching us how to be men, how to treat a lady. How to hunt, how to fish, how to live off the land, how to shoot a gun, how to do all sorts of things that I still value today that have helped me out immensely in my life. How to be a leader, what to say, what not to say, all those different things. My dad was a man's man, I guess you could say. He's in elder care or in memory care now. We laugh, otherwise we'd cry, Dr. Josh, and we'd go and see him because some days he knows who we are, and the next day he may not have any idea who we are. But I have those memories, and I know what he taught us. And I also know that not every man out there has those same experiences. In fact, they may have very negative thoughts and negative things that happened when it came to their dad. But my feeling on that is, Dr. Josh, that can be changed. You don't have to do what your dad did if it wasn't a great experience. Yeah, that cycle can be broken.
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Absolutely. And the men around your life, take the good from the people that you really admire and look up to. And for the people, you know, some of the ones that had some of those negative memories, make sure you don't do that. Amen. So, you know, you can break that cycle. You are not beholden to what was in your past.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely, and I cannot stress that enough because I know, again, as I said earlier, and I hate to keep going back to this, but the world in general, you know, we've got an entire – in politics even, there's one side that loves to beat up men, and sometimes both sides tend to do that, and sometimes the church will even do that. Sometimes our own families will do that, and the reality is – To your point, you've got to stay positive, have a plan, know what you're going to do moving forward when it comes to all of that. And I love the title of your book, Be That Weight Behind the Spear, because we all can't be, as you know, we all can't be the spear, but what can we do to help those that are?
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Yeah, just getting involved. And the earlier you get involved, the better. When you talk about parents, teachers, coaches, even business leaders getting involved in this younger generation, they will be coming to you looking for jobs at some point so you can teach them those ownership skills and how to be accountable. And in my household, we talk about standards, not rules. There you go. Nobody likes the rules. That's right. Rules are made to be broken. That's right. Everyone understands a standard, and they can take pride in that.
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Attain to it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Those are the important things.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, attain to that standard. Okay, you're also a candidate for lieutenant governor of North Carolina. I always want to give folks that are running for office a plug. Talk a little bit about that and how folks can help you out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. So for us, we had some changes here. 2024 was a very rough election cycle. And just as an emergency physician, I saw some of the policies that were made over the past several years that have now had some negative impact on some of the young men and women here in North Carolina. As an emergency doctor, I've seen the anxiety, the depression, and the suicide. And I think we just need to change direction, have some better equipped leadership, some purpose-driven leadership. And This is what we're about.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I like that message because you're right. We need that. People need to understand, no matter where they come from, no matter their background, no matter what it is, they need to understand that they do have purpose. They can make a difference. I've said this for years, Dr. Josh. Everybody, whether you realize it or not, everybody has influence.
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And everybody matters. And what you bring to the table influences colleagues, friends, coworkers, all those people around you. It has a tremendous impact. And you need to just take pride in what you bring to the table and then get involved, engage your community. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
We appreciate you joining us today. Where do folks get the book?
SPEAKER 04 :
You can go. It's on Amazon. It's at Barnes & Noble. There's an audio book, an e-book, and a paperback. And you can learn more at weightbehindthespear.com, W-E-I-G-H-T.
SPEAKER 03 :
Awesome. Dr. Josh, I appreciate it very much. Have a happy Father's Day, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
You too.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you. I'll do it. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. And, yeah, we didn't have a lot of time this week to talk much about Father's Day. I wanted to spend a little bit of time not only with him. I'll come back and even mention a few more things. But for a lot of you guys that are out there listening, number one, you know, whether you're a dad, whether you're going to be a future dad, whether you're a granddad and you've already been – by the way, you never quit being a dad. It doesn't matter. You're always helping your kids through life no matter what stage they're at. So all of you that are dads, A, thank you. You guys have a tremendous load. I know that personally. You all have influence, whether you realize it or not. And I meant what I said when I talked to Josh. This is one of the complaints and probably why I never was a big fan and never watched a lot of the Bundys and so on. And I think for me personally, it's because... A lot of those shows, while they're funny and while they're fun to watch and so on, I'm not against them. And if you watch them, that's great. That's up to you. I prefer not to because I personally don't like the way a lot of those shows portray men. Because they really do portray men to be this bumbling knucklehead. And frankly, folks, I can go a long way back, all the way back to even Dick Van Dyke. Because look at that program and look at how Dick Van Dyke was portrayed in that particular program. Even in the opening scenes, he's tripping over the edge of the whatever it was, sunken living room or whatever it happened to be. I mean, granted, I know it was comedy and all of that, but... You wonder at times, did we take that too far? You know, did it just continue to compound on itself? And now all of a sudden, that's all dad is. He's just this bumbling buffoon that doesn't know, you know, which end is up. And if it wasn't for mom and the family, you know, they wouldn't be able to do anything. And I'm not taking anything away from moms. Moms do a lot. Our wives do a lot. Absolutely. They put up with us. I get that. But so do dads. Dads do a lot of things to keep the family moving forward, and I think at times dads don't, A, get enough credit for that, and at times I don't think they even realize how much influence they actually have when it's all said and done. So my message to a lot of you that are dads right now, to all of you that are dads right now, is A, keep your chin up. Be proud that you're a dad. Continue to pour influence into those that are around you, whether you're at work, whether you're at church, whether you're at school, wherever you're at, whatever you're doing. Pour that influence among those that are around you, especially your own kids. Develop those relationships. Help them become great adults that will contribute to society. And at the end of the day, that's how literally we make our world and our country successful. a better place. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. And one person that I know feels exactly the way I do about all of this is Dave Hart from Roof Savers. He would be cheering on everything I just said a moment ago. If you need anything done when it comes to your roof, he is a great guy. He'll help you out. He is literally the honest roofer I have ever met in my entire life. 303-710-6916.
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All right, we are back. Thank you all for listening. I appreciate it very much. And real quick, I want to mention before we finish out the show that... You're going to hear a lot about this between now and probably even early next week because you're going to hear a lot of dialogue back and forth from both sides when it comes to the anti-ICE rallies that in a lot of cities are still going on. I think there was even one last night here in Denver still happening. I saw from the news today last night that some of the folks were even trying to walk down to I-25 and block it and so on. I saw a lot of the police activity that people had recorded and so on. day, and somebody even texted in and said, or messaged in and said, it's amazing that they steal everything from, literally from history, because there was a time where people would say, no kings, just Christ. So it's interesting that now we have a no kings day, but they're talking about Trump, so... Yeah, they do. They steal things and regurgitate it because the no kings is not a new thing, by the way. And as I've said many, many times, you know, yeah, Trump's about as far from a king as you'll ever find. Those of you that are on the left that don't understand what I just said, you really need to reevaluate and go in with an open mind and look at the different things that are happening and realize that. And this is another something else I should note. Go back for all of you that are on the left. that think Donald Trump is so bad when it comes to deportations. And tell me how many people, how many illegal immigrants Obama deported? Because it's in the millions, by the way. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that. Go look and see how many he deported. Go look and see how many Joe Biden actually deported. There's no news on that, by the way. And even we on our side thinks he didn't deport anybody. Now, granted, he had a lot to deport because he had open borders. But go back and look at Obama. And I want to say it was over a million. And I don't know what the exact number is today with Donald Trump, but I'm not sure we've even reached 200,000 yet. I think it's still in about the mid 140, 150 range. So there's all of this uproar going on about ICE and all of these mass deportations. And yet Trump's been in office now for almost six months, not quite, but getting close to it. And we're not even cracking 150,000. So think about that. If it's 150,000, if he can even get to 300, and who knows if we will, and do that for four years, will he even reach a million? Honestly, I'll be surprised if he does. He talks about all the millions we need to deport. I'll be quite honest. I'll be shocked if it's that high of a number. And that's me talking. I don't know. But at the end of the day, you've got all these folks on the left that are running around, you know, anti-ice, anti-this, anti-that, no kings. Literally, these are people that are simply listening to a narrative. And I purposely have watched some of the men on the street interviewing some of these people at these raids, at these rallies, at these riots is what I meant to say. And Charlie and I were talking about this some yesterday. Reality is most of them have no idea why they're there. They're just there because they think they need to be there. What it really boils down to, the number one sentiment that comes out of these anti-ICE rallies that are happening as we speak right now is, I just hate Donald Trump. I don't like the guy. And even the person interviewing will be nice and say, well, can you give me something specific you don't like about him? I just don't like him. Or they'll say, you know, F Trump or, you know, they use nice, colorful four letter words. I've always noticed with the left, by the way, that when they can't win the argument, the swear words come out. It literally I'm not exaggerating when I say that it's just a swear words to start spewing out when they can't come up with a really good answer as to why they don't like Donald Trump. And even those around them will start raising up their middle fingers and this, that and the other. And the reality is it's not it's not it's not true. It's not what it's not true what they're saying. Three point one million. Thank you, Charlie. Over eight years. Obama, sorry, Obama deported three point one million. I will be shocked. I'm not I'm not exaggerating. I'll be shocked if Trump matches that. out of his last four and these four. I'll be surprised if he matches that. So just a side note, for all of you that are out there that are on the left that think that this is really a problem we have with ICE, we're not even scratching the surface compared to what Obama did. during his tenure. And there's even lots of video. It's surfacing now, finally, because of everything happening right now, where Obama is really giving speeches, talking about how you come to this country illegally, you're going to get deported. If you didn't do this correctly, you're going to get deported. I mean, on and on we go. He's saying all the same things our side is saying right now. And Hillary, thank you. Hillary did the exact same thing when she was running for office. There's even clips of Joe Biden saying the exact same thing. So the left for years and years and years stood on that. And now all of a sudden they reversed and Donald Trump's the bad boogeyman because all the bad guys are getting deported. Not all, but some of the bad guys are getting deported. I mean, it's just amazing to me that we have the amount of people out on the left saying what they're saying. And again, all I can figure is it's just this hatred of Trump, total misguidance on their part as to what they're even doing. And they can't support their position when when, you know, bluntly asked, you know, why are you doing this? They have no idea. Even going as far as having there is an ESPN star of late media mischaracterizing the anti-ice riots. In other words, she's another one saying these are just isolated cases. They're really not that much going on. This is Mina Kimes. She is from ESPN NFL, which, by the way, Mina, stick to football. Stick to what you evidently I think you know or you wouldn't be an analyst, but stick to that. Stay out of politics. You're a bozo. You don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about. She's basically saying that even these images of the burning vehicles that you're seeing and the rioters spray painting cars and all of these things that are happening, she's blaming that on old images, AI, all of this other generation stuff that's going on. She's not giving any credit to even the people that are out there, and in a lot of cases, risking their lives. 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In today's episode of the Best Stocks Now show, hosted by professional money manager Bill Gunderson, we dive into the complex relationship between global events and stock market performance. With a nervous start to the market, we dissect the impact of a Boeing crash and escalating tensions in the Middle East, driving significant movements in oil prices and gold. We explore how these situations influence individual stocks and the broader market, offering listeners an in-depth look at macroeconomic factors.
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He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gunderson Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gunderson.
SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome to the Thursday, the Thursday, June 12th, 2025 edition of the Best Docs Now show. A bit of a nervous open for the markets here today as some macro issues raise their ugly heads here today. The Dow is down 140 points today to 42,726. A lot of that is Boeing. Boeing, a crash in India, and Boeing stock down. Boeing is a member of the Dow. The NASDAQ is down 41 right now to 19,574. The S&P is down just five points. That's nine basis points. Big drop in interest rates today. I think there's a little bit of a flight to safety here as the war drums are beating in the Middle East. We're going to get into that here in a bit. That's a scary situation. And how do I know it's scary? Look at oil bolting higher here. You should see the chart on oil today. Oil is hitting 67. We were down to 59 not that long ago, so we've got a pretty big hike in oil prices and gold, okay? Trouble in the world, and you're going to see a big jump. Gold is up 2.02% right now as there's some trouble out there in the Middle East. So welcome to the Best Stocks Now show. with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. And I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. And you know, Barry, I mean, look, being involved in the market, it's a lot more fun to be involved in the micro, the stocks, the individual stocks, but they're so greatly affected by the macro and what is happening in the world that We kind of have to be a jack-of-all-trades. We've got to watch world news. We've got to watch world banks. We've got to watch rare earth supplies. New things are entering into the equation all the time. New drug discoveries.
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Certain things get more weighting at certain points in time, too, right? In terms of news or outcome.
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I'll just say this. As I looked through and started preparing the show, the chart that jumped off the page at me this morning... was the chart of oil. And, of course, I record the price of oil every day in my little recap of the markets. And I said, wow, look at that breakout in oil yesterday. Look at the chart of USO. Okay. That jump was not from a sudden increase in demand.
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That's what I was about to say. It's not like we increased world growth forecasts.
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No. Gee, our oil supplies in Oklahoma are all of a sudden dropping faster than we thought. No, that's an indication of trouble. And that's why, look, you're taking a class on charts. You're getting certified and looking at stock charts. I have always said that the first place that trouble shows up in anything, whether it's a commodity, an individual stock, the Middle East conflict, whatever, it shows up in the charts. That's where it shows up first. And you can look. I sent that chart out this morning on USO. And then, of course, as the day developed and I looked into more and more news, well, yeah, we evacuated our embassy in Iraq yesterday. Iran is doubling down against the International Atomic Agency, saying we're going to step up our enrichment of uranium. And I'm thinking, you know, they must know something like somebody's standing behind them coming to their aid to make such a bold move as they did here this morning. You know, as Israel says, we're ready. We're ready to go in there and attack Iran. But in my opinion, now we'll see if time over time, whether I'm right or not, I think Russia stands behind Iran. Russia is – Iran is building drones, the drones that are peppering Ukraine for Russia. So they're in league with one another. So all of this comes into play this morning in addition to the crash in India.
SPEAKER 04 :
of a boeing uh that's bad news for boeing now we don't know if it was because of something boeing did if it was pilot error or what on the video and i saw a video and i mean it almost just looks like it's just you know kind of losing altitude it doesn't you know it's not uh well basically had just taken off and almost like it had no lift and it didn't really look like it was in a panic state.
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That goes back to that software issue that they had where all of a sudden planes would just start losing altitude. Hopefully it's not that because they would ground all of those Boeings once again if it was that same issue that caused the other crashes. It was the 787 Dreamliner is what it was. in terms of that particular plane. Well, let's hope it wasn't a software and a Boeing problem. Boeing's down just 4.3% today. But Boeing's a member of the Dow. And so it's dragging the Dow down today. We had kind of a flat day yesterday. We had a decent day. And then, of course, you know, towards the end of the day, middle of the trading day, the news came out that pretty much the China and U.S. are going to – We've kind of set things in place where they stand right now. And, you know, more details are starting to leak out. But it's definitely, as I read last night, it's definitely 30% tariffs on everything coming out of China. And in some cases it's 55% because there was an additional 25%. depending on what the item is. And I heard Lutnick say that it's not going to change. That's where it is. So the upside is the U.S. will be collecting all of that tariff money. It will be going to the Treasury. They're collecting about, what, $30 billion a month right now on tariffs. Now, the payment of the tariffs, it's all going to the government treasury. The payments is being borne by the manufacturer, by the seller, and, of course, by the buyer. It's not like the buyer is paying all 30% of that. In fact... We saw some studies where at the end of the day, the buyer actually assumes the least amount of the tariff. But we'll see how it plays out. This is an extraordinary tariff. on Chinese goods. And in return, China is granting six-month licenses to their rare earth companies to sell to the U.S. And we've loosened up. I saw that one of our chip companies, Synopsys, which had closed all operations in China, they're cranking their factory back up again. So obviously there were some concessions made there. And Jensen Wang says it really doesn't matter anyways because with Huawei, they've pretty much got China covered. Even though they're a generation behind our chips with NVIDIA, that's probably good enough to do what they're using them for. And, of course, Huawei continues to gain ground. Those were the two sticking points. They seem to have come to an agreement, and now we worry about all of the other deals out there, right? I heard an interview. Trump was entering in the Kennedy Center last night with Melania, and they sure looked good. handsome, both of them, you know, very classy, the tuxedo, and she's in a black gown and all this and that. But the guy will answer questions, Barry. They're throwing questions at him. He'll talk about any subject, and they're talking, are we going to attack Iran? No, this is while he's entering the country. On the way to the play, right? And he absolutely says we're not going to allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. And I just happened to, you know, I have breaking news on my phone all the time. And I saw this coming out of I-24 in Israel. Iran ups enrichment after the IAEA resolution as Israel is fully ready to attack in Iran. So it sounds to me like Iran is being totally defiant. Like, you know, go ahead and attack, see what happens. That just seems to be what's happening here. The PPI comes out, that kind of gets lost in all of the news. It was very much benign.
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And I don't know if you noticed, did you see the big... Yeah, core prices actually rose less than expected for May, so... And, of course, it's funny. I read the report. Reading it sounds a lot better than some of the different headlines that I saw on producer prices tick up, depending on how the news angle of the headline.
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It was totally benign, right? inflation is gone it totally makes jerome powell look that much more silly really but now you've got oil rising that could be temporary hopefully and you've got these tariffs now set in place those are kind of inflationary things and i think that will cause the fed to to keep the pause in place on any kind of rate that we'll be right back And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Stocks Now show. Well, the Boeing, it was a Dreamliner, which they've never had problems. I mean, they have not gone down. That's the first recorded crash of a Boeing 787 Dreamliner since the aircraft began operating. Commercial service.
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That's the one that had the battery issue, I think, in, like, I don't know, early, I think it was 2013-ish or so. But, yeah, thankfully no crashes. But, yeah, they had a couple of those battery fires.
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242 people on board that plane. So, well, I guess news will come out. And some of their suppliers, GE Aerospace, Spirit Aerosystems, Also down on that news from Boeing, oil tanker stocks on watch due to Mideast warnings, signs of a potential attack on Iran. Now, what does that have to do with the stock market? It has everything to do with the stock market. It's all intertwined, okay? When you see oil jump up, you know, and you see gold jump, and you see this giant flight to safety, to the bond market. You've got treasuries down. If you're looking to lock a loan, this is probably a good time. We're down under 4.4 for the first time in a long time. We're at 4.37. And I think in the trade world, Europe's down today. I think that's the next probably one in sight is to try to get some kind of final deal with Europe on the tariff situation. And then, of course, I mean, there's a lot of other ones. And I think I heard Trump say basically that we're going to send out a letter. Here's where we're at and kind of take it or leave it. He says hopefully we're not at that point, that they still want to make a deal. But if they don't, well, we're going to make the deal for them. So anyways, that's got the markets very nervous today. Three things, the Boeing plane going down, Middle East tension. I mean, it is really rising sky high right now. And, of course, this issue with the trade deals that are still out there. Crude oil soars. That just caught my eye this morning. Because, look, how long have we looked at oils? Yeah, you know, it's not going anywhere. And I even saw yesterday, I saw like, oh, the one that caught my eye was Shell. which is a Dutch company these days. S-H-E-L is the symbol. That thing broke out yesterday. And those stocks have been dead in the water for a long, long time. And that's always a wake-up call to say, look, something is brewing underneath the surface here when these oil stocks start jumping. It's not like they made a big oil discovery. You know, off the Gulf of Tonkin or something like that, or they all of a sudden demand for oil is going through the roof. No, oil reacts to conflict in the Middle East. It's as simple as that. And I know the U.S. was evacuating their embassy in Iraq. which usually gets caught up in all of this. Syria usually gets caught up in all of this. Libya, I mean, it can just come from almost all areas of the world around there in that Middle East. And it could even bring in Russia, who is in league with Iran these days. And I see articles coming out, what would be the impact, the economic impact of bombing Iran's nuclear facilities Well, we don't know. It just depends, right? That's pretty hard to gauge as an analyst, as a macro analyst, as a stock analyst. You know, Israel has attacked Iran before directly, but to take out their whole nuclear facility where they're developing all of this stuff, you know, that brings a new wrinkle to it all. We also have, like you say, the core producer, the PPI, comes in at 0.1%. And I would say were it not for the tariffs that we'd probably have some rate cuts lined up on the horizon. But I think that's kind of what's holding him back, Powell, right? Yeah, and at worst, it's an excuse, right?
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Yeah, for being wrong. I mean, or, you know, just an excuse just for, you know, not taking any action. But, I mean, these things, you know, how it's going to flow through, I mean, you had some of the, if you look back at some of the tariffs and In the first Trump administration, a lot of that price increases actually didn't flow through.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, no. The market did extremely well during the first administration.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it doesn't mean that it won't show through in some form or fashion. Now, to me, I think you would see it on. your very small purchase, tight margin goods, right? I mean, literally your dollar trees and your things that are some of those fast fashion items that would get mailed to you for $12, right? I mean, that margin. There's not a lot of margin there, and tariffs can make a big difference in that particular item, certainly.
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I'm going to take a look. There's a big department store in the U.S., Menards. You've heard of Menards. I think they're number three, right? Yeah, they're getting bigger. Yeah, they're a pretty fast-growing company, and they have a model train section. It's crap. It's total crap. garbage from China, but it's cheap. But I know about where they were pricing those things before, because I looked into some of them. I'm going to see if they're putting in that 30% tariff yet. Now, it would be kind of dishonest to start charging the tariff on stuff they already bought and is in inventory, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
How do you differentiate?
SPEAKER 03 :
I don't know. There's a lot of gray area here, but definitely as they bring in new stock, from China, that tariff is going to be there. So I'm going to just take a little gander on their website and look at their pricing, see if any of that's reflecting this 30% tariff. And you could say the same thing for Home Depot and Lowe's. I imagine a lot of these pressure washers and tools and whatnot, you can just look on the box if it's made in China, which that's a lot. Almost everything you get from those stores, it seems like, you know, from the mechanical, electrical point of view, tool point of view is made in China. China to place a six-month limit on rare earth export licenses. Okay, so they're going to revisit it in six months. And I also saw that China sent a militia into Myanmar. which I guess is the former, I think it was Burma at one time or Cambodia. They're securing the mines in Myanmar. These belong to us. And they sent the troops in. It just shows you how important this whole rare earth thing is. I mean, wind turbines, medical equipment, electrical vehicles, semiconductors, very important stuff. And then you've got, of course, our friend Jensen Wang over there in Europe. Where is he at now?
SPEAKER 04 :
He's in Paris yesterday.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. He says that China is covered. Huawei has China covered if the U.S. stays out. So... You know, he would love to have access to that Chinese market, but that doesn't sound like it's going to happen from what I can tell here because of Huawei being not that far behind Nvidia at the current time.
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We'll be right back.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. Now, back to the second half of the show.
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Because there's something in the air
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And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Stocks Now show. There is something in the air. There's a lot in the air. There usually is. Life is never dull, it seems like. There's always plenty happening. The markets have actually moved into the green here. Yeah, even the Dow. So, you know, a lot of times the market shrugs off. You know, until something happens, it's kind of used to conflict in the Middle East because there's been plenty of it. I mean, look at Yemen and firing all those missiles at the ships trying to get through the canal there, and now you've got a renewed threat there. Could this be a big one, bigger than the others? I don't know, but the market seems to be dealing with it right now. Let me just take a look at oil prices here real quickly. They've kind of stabilized, but they had a huge dump yesterday. Oil right now is at, and this is the highest it's been in a while, $67.49. It's down 1%. today uh okay now on the micro front we go from macro to micro we start drilling down uh as the show progresses into individual stocks which i love to do i love it all really i mean i like watching the news on the world and everything else that goes on it's interesting it keeps things very interesting byd is a major major player in the EV industry, obviously. They are bringing an affordable compact EV to the UK. which obviously intensifies the competition there. They call it the Dolphin Surf. The pricing is expected to start at 18,650 pounds. The Dolphin Surf? That's the name of it, the Dolphin Surf, which doesn't sound Chinese at all. But that's where their other one is the popular Seagull, Seagull Hatchback. So they seem to have kind of an ocean theme. Yeah, Brian Wilson, that was a big loss yesterday. Brian Wilson, the founder of the Beach Boys, a genius. A crazy guy. I think he was one of those manic depressants. But when I hear the words dolphin surf and seagull, I think of those Beach Boys and Hangin' Ten.
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But anyway... He was the oldest brother and lived the longest.
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Yeah, and you know, he had some drug issues and what. I lived to 82, but that's a big loss. It really is. I still listen to a lot of his Pet Sounds songs. But this BYD, we own BYD. Just had the three-for-one split.
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We got a lot of questions on that one.
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That's a weird deal because here's what they did.
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It takes a little while for Schwab to shake out for a couple of days.
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Yeah, it's not Schwab. It's the company. I got the lowdown on that. you get two shares for every one that you own. You're getting a share dividend. So all of a sudden you woke up on Tuesday and you were missing two-thirds of your value in your BYDDF holding. But you're going to get your shares on June 29th. I've never seen a split like that where it takes 17 days to deliver those two shares.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was thinking that it was going to take a couple of days to show up, but that's an odd one.
SPEAKER 03 :
I've never seen that in my 30 years. you're still getting the appreciation, the stock. You're really not missing out on anything. But as you look at your portfolio, your portfolio is not showing the value of those shares until you actually receive them. You're just seeing one-third of the shares that you – well, you're seeing the same amount of shares that you used to own. but at one-third of the price. And you're going, I'm down 67% on this stock. No, you're going to get those shares in a couple of weeks. But, you know, that's a major thorn in the side, BYDDF to Tesla, no question about it. And BYDDF is down 3% today, but it's been hitting new highs. It's a $48 billion company.
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I remember when we wrote an article on it a few years ago now. If you go to their website and look at some of their vehicles, the vehicles look pretty good.
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They're beautiful.
SPEAKER 04 :
They are.
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They're not going to hit American shores, not as long as Trump is president. I can guarantee you that. And we still haven't seen any, you know, what's going to become of the automobile industry. There's still a lot of companies waiting for trade deals that get their parts.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and when you get into self-driving, right, I mean, you also end up with, you know, you've got literally national security concerns, right, at that, you know, so when you're, you know. What manufacturers do you allow in terms of full self-driving or kind of in the robo-taxi realm? I mean, there's a lot of issues, I think, there.
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Here's another Chinese EV story. X-Ping, which is X-P-E-V, is going to make AI chips for Volkswagen. and perhaps other automakers in the future. So now you've got a Chinese EV company making their own semiconductors, chips, that is incorporating the AI into the autonomous driving system. And going into Volkswagens, and if there's a 30% tariff on things coming from China, does that mean you've got to figure out how much they paid for the chips in the Volkswagen? It's really complicated. It's a sticky mess. But I would imagine there's a tariff involved now on a Volkswagen if it has these X-Ping chips in them. AI Joe. Not GI Joe. AI Joe. Mattel recruits OpenAI to design toys. We're learning of all these things that AI can do. Manufacturing. autonomous driving drug discovery speed things up and now toy design okay maybe we'll get some decent toys out of Mattel for a change developed by AI it's all I know my two granddaughters they still they like the Barbie movie they don't play with Barbies they're outgrowing that but Barbie is still a major franchise and speaking of you know Uber tentacles everywhere you know i was looking up i needed like a four foot four by eight foot sheet of foam two inch thick foam delivered to my house it doesn't quite fit in the suv i hate to tie it onto my roof you know with robes yeah everybody's pointing at you as you're going down the street hey you know you know that thing's flat you're about to lose it yeah no you Uber will deliver that. Will they? With the flatbed, huh? Uber is extending into Lowe's, Home Depot, and now Dick's Sporting Goods. Both Golf Galaxy and Dick's have signed a deal with Uber Eats for on-demand delivery. Hey, you're going golfing tomorrow? How long does it take to run to Dick's Sporting Goods to pick up 24 golf balls to make it through nine holes of golf? I don't know how many you go through. None, none, none. Ike off with the guy that he loses a ball on every hole, two or three balls. He's just horrible. Why does he waste his time?
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Well, hey, and around here, you don't want to get too far off the course looking for a ball. You'll find some other alligator, snake.
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You'll be like that guy. What was the movie with Adam Sandler? Happy Gilmore. Yeah, Happy Gilmore. He died recently.
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He did.
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He was trying to retrieve his golf ball from a pond. Don't do that around here. He only had one arm. But anyways, Dick's Sporting Goods. I see Uber, you know, look, these tech companies are so powerful. They have so much cash flow and very little debt. They can afford to get into, stick their hands into all kinds of different businesses and industries. Look at Amazon. I see Uber as that kind of a company. I see Uber, you know, at first it was just a ride-hailing company. Well, Netflix was just a rental mail order company to begin with, right? But now they have these ways of extending their reach and becoming powerful players. And I think Uber is one of those companies. I know my nephew. back at harvard he's not at harvard anymore but he was professor phd stanford all this he's a smart guy i think he wrote a paper that uber did not qualify as a disruptor i've i'm going to get that straight from my sister but i see uber as a disruptor well i mean where's the taxi industry taxi yeah i mean you know and and also i just remember you know places where
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You know, you couldn't have, you know, we didn't have public transit. I mean, you know, I grew up in a beach town. If you called a cab from somewhere, you know, the cab wasn't going to be there for 45 minutes. I mean, there wasn't a, you know, a steady population of drivers.
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You couldn't step out in the street and hail a cab. And it's become a giant cottage industry. I mean, I... you get submarine sandwiches delivered to your door by uber and now they're getting hooked up with dick's sporting goods okay we got a couple more stocks to talk about when we come back it's an interesting world we'll be right back
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Go where you want to go Do what you want to do
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Stocks Now show. One of the stocks I like to make fun of a lot, GameStop. I mean, now they're going to float all of these convertible notes. And I'll let the CFA just explain to the folks what a convertible note is. They're going to offer $1.75 billion. of convertible notes of 0%.
SPEAKER 1 :
0%.
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The notes come due in 2032 in a private offering. Explain that to the folks. Would you touch that with a 100-foot pole?
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, that almost sounds like issuing more shares but doing it via a debt... Yeah, exactly. Debt structure. I mean, so essentially it's paying 0%, so basically you're going to, at some point, to derive the value, right, you would convert those... Those into shares, and, of course, you've got to take that into account now when you're some analyst that's trying to determine what the float is. The number of shares outstanding for GameStop is going to likely have to include some of those in their calculation.
SPEAKER 03 :
And as an investor... What would have to happen for you to make money on this deal? I'm going to put $10,000 into their 0% convertible notes. How am I going to make money?
SPEAKER 04 :
The only way you make money in that sense is if the stock price goes up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
That just seems like a... You're throwing good money after bad.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. It's almost like an option. It almost seems more like an option. Now, this is the stock that was $120.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's dilutive. The key word there is it creates dilution. So, you know, all else being equal, if the number of shares increase and the price stays the same, then you're going to be diluted.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and the stock is diluted here today. It's down 20% on this news. Really? Okay, Oracle, O-R-C-L, reported earnings, and that's a beautiful chart there on Oracle. Now, for me, Oracle's a pretty mature company. Okay, it's not a double-digit grower anymore. It's a single-digit growth company. It's one of the great stocks of all time. Larry Ellison basically changed, was part of that whole tech revolution company into a database, and all these databases now hold all the information on Amazon products. The app is a database. It was a database. It still is a database where all of this data is stored, and you can retrieve it and manipulate it and filter it for just about any way you want to. Oracle is still a major player. It's half a trillion dollars in the market cap. But we haven't owned Oracle for a while. Maybe they're getting their groove back a little bit with AI.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, they've got the data center piece, right? So, I mean, that's one piece of their puzzle at Oracle. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I would say that that's why you're seeing the NASDAQ up today. Oracle is a big player. Man, I can remember Oracle in 1999, 98, when I was first getting into the business. Oracle was a major player, major growth stock player. Then a few years later came Cisco, which became a major game-changing stock, and Oracle was definitely. Larry Ellison's one of the most successful guys out there, one of the richest guys in the world, and he's still in it, still running the company. No, I don't think he is running the company. He pays a 1% dividend yield. And it is one of the companies that left the Bay Area and headquartered in Austin, Texas, which has become pretty much all of those stocks, all those companies I saw in Santa Clara, they almost all have an arm or their headquarters also in Austin, Texas, which has become a big hub. It's a lot cheaper to live there. Maybe Austin, Texas. I bet anything the rents are going up and home prices are going up there. But, I mean, it's expensive to live in Santa Clara or that San Jose area. and Austin, Texas is where a lot of these companies are going. But Oracle's up 13% today. Now, there's a good company, all right? That's what a good company does. And you've got over here GameStop, which is basically the stock is a video game. Why don't they just make a video game, you know, theft and larceny? What's grand theft, larceny? Is that it? Grand theft auto. How about grand theft shareholder? Grand Theft Shareholder, the new video game now for rent at GameStop. It's just, you know, a lot of people play that game. All right, well, you know what? We're gearing up for a trip next week. down to about a seven-hour drive, a three-hour flight, two-hour flight, I suppose, from here. There's no direct flights.
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There's not many directs, yeah.
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Unless you fly to Tampa and then rent a car from Tampa. You can take the train down. It's 11 1⁄2 hours. You looked that up before. I did it once. You take the train to Tampa, and then you've got to take a Greyhound bus. I didn't know that part. Oh, that was the most miserable. I don't know. It was an adventure, you learn. But next Tuesday night, who knows? The Middle East might be on fire by next Tuesday night. That's why I can't really prepare a workshop until the day of the workshop. And I go with the flow of what I think is the most important thing to talk about. But we talk a lot about micro and individual stocks. We've had a big week here in a lot of stocks breaking out. The nuke sector, a lot of action there. The AI sector has been pretty much on fire again here with all of the news coming out of NVIDIA. We're in between earnings season, but we definitely have a good fix on where earnings are going to come in this year and next year, believe it or not, and a pretty good look into 2027, which the market, believe it or not, is now trading on 2027. expectations for earnings and yes they're out there individual companies have their earnings estimates out there and of course the analysts aggregate all of those estimates into an aggregate S&P 500 earnings estimate and that's reflected in my newsletter a key piece of my newsletter every single weekend because that, to me, is the very best indicator where the market is headed at any given point in time. To reserve a spot to the workshop, I'm getting a little nervous. The space is getting a little tight, but we'll figure it out. If Barry's got to give up his seat or Jeff's got to stand in the back, we're willing to do that. Call us at 855-611-BEST to reserve a seat. Better yet, if you want a private appointment with us during the two days we're there, a one-hour appointment with the team, 855-611-BEST, or anywhere in America, you can set up an appointment with us at 855-611-BEST. Get the free trial, four weeks, GundersenCapital.com. Have a great day.
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Join The Kim Monson Show as we delve into the intricate balance between freedom and force, discussing current political developments and world affairs. We explore Clarence Thomas' profound statement on race, offering insights into how it redefines our humanity. As Trump's administration takes a stand on Biden-era land policies, we analyze the broader implications for freedom and governmental roles in land use.
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Indeed, let's have a conversation, and welcome to the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Thursday, Producer Joe. Happy Thursday, Kim. and last night the girls were over we partook in the Hooters Wings Day special which is every Wednesday you buy 20 wings you get an additional 10 for free that's for to go or to dine in and it's always a treat to have Hooters Wings when We all get together, and particularly like the lemon pepper rub and the Texas barbecue rub. Hooters Restaurants has five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Great specials Monday through Friday for lunch and for happy hour. I got to know them. It's a really important story about proper role of government and free markets and capitalism. You can find that story at my website. at kimmonson.com. So you can sure check that out. Our word of the day is transcendent, and it is spelled T-R-A-N-S-C-E-N-D-E-N-T. And Merriam-Webster says, number one, it could be exceeding usual limits, surpassing, extending, or lying beyond the limits of ordinary experience. And number two, being beyond comprehension. Number three, transcending the universe or material existence. Compare or number four, universally applicable or significant. So transcendent, T-R-A-N-S-C-E-N-D-E-N-T. I would say that the vision of our Declaration of Independence, that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness are transcendent. Your challenge is to use transcendent in a sentence today. And our featured guest in hour number two is Rob Nadelson, who is an expert on our Constitution. And we're talking about some of these things that are coming down from the Supreme Court. So I thought it was appropriate to go to a Supreme Court justice for our quote of the day. So I went to Clarence Thomas and He was born in 1948. He is an American lawyer and jurist who served since 1991 as an associate justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. President George H.W. Bush nominated him to succeed Thurgood Marshall. After Marshall, Thomas is the second black American to serve on the U.S. Supreme Court and has been the longest serving member since Anthony Kennedy's retirement in 2018. And he said this, He said to define each of us by our race is nothing short of a denial of our humanity. Again, Clarence Thomas said to define each of us by our race is nothing short of a denial of our humanity. So let's see. Next thing. So I thought this was pretty important when I saw this particular headline. This is from Fox News. And it's because we've talked a lot about, well... We'll go back to the show. Check out our website. It's kimmonson.com. While you're there, make sure that you're signed up for our weekly email newsletter that comes out on Sundays, highlighting our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com as well. That's kim at k-i-m-m-o-n-s-o-n.com. And I thank all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. And remember, it's not compassionate nor altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, their freedom, livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. And force obviously can be a weapon, but it can be policy and unpredictable in excess of taxation and fear, coercion, which we saw under the whole COVID thing, government-induced inflation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum and the globalist elite's that they push that out and play that out with the United Nations. Whoops, hold on here just a second. And we see it also played out with the Colorado State Legislature and this Colorado governor. But what we've also seen is using land use codes and zoning regulations, forced fees. But conservation easements, national monument designations, transmission line easements, CO2 pipelines. So we've talked about all this. And this was yesterday. It says Trump's Department of Justice argues for the Antiquities Act, the power to declare that it carries the power to revoke. So the Department of Justice is arguing that Trump may cancel some of these Biden era national monuments, which really has been a huge land grab. And so I think this is really huge. And as we've talked about the big, beautiful bill. There's some very good things in it. When we talked with Wade Miller yesterday with the Center for Renewing America, he said there are tax cuts in there. There are spending cuts in there. That is great. Concerned about CO2 pipelines, eminent domain. I'm very concerned about that. Very concerned about the artificial intelligence tenure, carve out on that with states and local government not being able to do anything on these AI centers. I'm concerned about those things, but I think there are some good things in there as well. And I want to make sure that I say hats off to Donald Trump when he's doing these, you know, something like this. And so he said in the article says in the final days of his presidency, Biden established the Chukwala National Monument and the Satila Highlands National Monument. and they say ostensibly, to protect hundreds of thousands of acres of land in California. And the Chukwala National Monument is 624,000 acres, and the Satila Highlands National Monument is 224,000 acres. Ultimately, they want to put this back into the rewilding of America, ultimately probably to make that hands-off, For any human interaction on that land. And so this is a really big deal that Donald Trump is working to revoke that and good for him on that. So hats off to him on that. I did want to say thank you to the Harris family. for their goal sponsorship of the show. It is because of all of these people and great businesses that I get to work with that puts us on the air so that we can look at these issues and help you with all of those. The text line is 720-605-0647 and I do want to hear from you as well. And on the line with us is Karen Gorday. She is an entrepreneur. She is the owner of Radiant Painting and Lighting, a great new sponsor of the show. Karen, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. Thank you. And things are drying out. I know that you're busy. And what's a few tips that people should have to keep their house in tip-top shape?
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You know, that's a very good question. So something I'm seeing a lot now that it is drying out, people are actually walking around the house realizing they need paint. And when I'm going out for the estimate, it's really been the lack of maintenance. And what I mean by that is over time, if you don't paint and keep up the maintenance, eventually that paint is going to come off of the wood and then you have bare wood on your house. And if you do not have that covered with primer and paint, then eventually it's going to rot. And I've got a, I would say probably every estimate I've done in the last week and a half has some level of wood rot and that adds to the cost of repainting your home because We're not going to pay for rotten wood.
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So that means that you'll have to have one of the people that you work with come in and replace that, which does increase the cost on that. But, yeah, that seems like that's really good advice. But you can fix it if that has happened, though, yes?
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Absolutely, yes. But that will drive the cost of the painting up because you've got to figure in the lumber and the carpenter pay, etc. And then you have to prime the fresh wood and paint it.
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And so, yeah, I think that's really good advice. And I think you're right. You know what? And that's one of the things I think with people's homes is, and like I may have some, I used to be in the fashion industry. And so I had some favorite, like some favorite shoes. that I love wearing, and I remember them, that they looked the way, or I thought that they looked the way when I bought them, that they looked new and fresh. But I've worn them a lot, and finally one day I looked at them with a critical eye, and I'm like, you know, those things are a little worn out. And I think that sometimes we just get used to our homes or whatever, and we don't have that critical eye, and I think that's pretty important, Karen.
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Absolutely, and that's gotta you. I look at every house like it's my own and I'm super critical when I'm walking around looking for that wood rot. Because sometimes you know it might just be. A door trim on a side door that no one ever uses and you realize that's rotten and they've never used that door or very rarely used that door and they don't realize it.
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Haven't really looked at it. Now, Karen, you really offer value for value. You said you're not the most expensive and you're not the least expensive. which I've learned over time that many times the cheapest price isn't the cheapest price. You offer value for value, good, honest work on this. And this is a big deal when somebody decides to paint either the exterior or interior of their home.
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Absolutely. It is super important. To your point, sometimes that cheapest bid ends up costing you more in the end, and you really want to make sure you're getting the quality of the work that you want.
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And how can people reach you, Karen Gorday, at Radiant Painting and Lighting?
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Absolutely. Our website is www.paintwithradiance.com, or you can reach us by phone at 720-940-3887.
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And again, that's Karen Gorday, and that is Radiant Painting and Lighting. Karen, we'll talk with you next week. Sounds great. Thank you, Kim. Keep up the great work. And another great sponsor of the show is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And they know that life can be challenging, and it's their mission to maximize your financial security as you manage the risks of everyday life. So call Roger Mangan at 303-795-8855 for more information. Like a good neighbor, Roger Mangan's team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter, and you can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And this is late breaking. I wanted to say thank you to Mary for getting this over to me. And this is from KUOW, an NPR network. It says the U.S. Department of Justice is demanding an unprecedented amount of election data from at least one state, according to documents obtained by NPR. As the Department of Justice, transformed by the Trump administration, reviews cases targeting Americans, Well, this let me back. So let me get through all of the commentary on that. It says then it goes on to say on May 12th, the Justice Department asked Colorado Secretary of State to turn over all records relating to 2024 incidents. federal elections, as well as preserve any records that remain from the 2020 election, which is a sprawling request. Several voting experts and officials told him PR was highly unusual and concerning. Given President Trump, I can't finish all that. It's all the NPR stuff with the color journalism that they put on that. But the key is, is that the Department of Justice has asked for this information. And if there's nothing to hide, it should be no problem. We don't need to have all the kind of commentary on all that. So next we have on the line with us Pam Long. You know her. She is a regular guest on the show. She's an author here. She's also the director for the military component at Children's Health Defense. And I wanted to talk with her about some new developments on vaccines and our kids here in Colorado. Pam Long, welcome. Thanks, Kim, for having me. Okay. You and I got to know each other on this initial whole forced vaccine thing before COVID and been very concerned about the CDC's recommended vaccine schedule for our children. But then it seems like the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment piles on on that. So there's some new developments that GAMI had sent over to us. What's going on?
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Okay, so CDPG, that's our state health department, and they will promote the rules that support the legislation that is passed every year on vaccines and other matters. But this one relates to vaccines. So HB 1027, there was a bunch of minor changes, I would say, to our vaccine requirements, but I'll go over the top three that I think relate. parents care about and then um what is not really covered to the public are your exemption rights so the top three issues with the rule changes that are proposed that the public has input on until july 1st one i say the most controversial would be that the 1027 changed that we would follow the recommendations of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, which has been in statute since 2020, to the American Academy of Pediatrics and then a bunch of other similar type of medical organizations like family physicians and college of obstetrics and gynecologists and college of physicians now why is this controversial this is controversial because um you know rfk the secretary of health and human services has basically retired all current members of the asap because of their conflicts of interest these are people in the industry working for vaccine manufacturers who are also recommending the vaccines that their companies create. That's a conflict of interest. So in our super majority here said, hey, we see the writing on the wall with RFK in this position. We need to make sure that these pharma shills can still tell parents to take all these vaccines without a true ethical informed consent, right? That there's risks and there's a contraindication. So that is the most controversial change. So I just want parents to know the takeaway is that the people recommending vaccines to you have conflicts of interest. They are selling you a product and you need to do your homework on the cost benefit analysis of all 72 doses on the schedule. This also is controversial because. This RFK, as the Secretary of Human Services, has said the United States will no longer recommend the COVID vaccine to children or to pregnant women because the evidence is not there supporting safety and efficacy. And the CDC is digging their heels in. He does not have full control over the CDC, even though he is the Secretary of HHS. And they are still recommending it. You'll still see it on the schedule. So that's change number one. Change number two, parents, if you are presented with an immunization requirement for school, daycare, college, you now have 30 days to comply. It's called an in-process period. It went from 14 days to 30 days. This is a good thing, actually, because you might need to do some homework. You might need to go talk to a doctor. The third change that I would say that is, to use a less term, is inequitable, is that parents will, United States citizens will jump through hooves to meet all of these rules and regulations to get their kids into schools, colleges, and daycares. But this new change says if you are homeless or an immigrant and you don't have your vaccine paperwork and documents and you you're unable to jump through all our hoops, that's OK. You can still come to school, daycare and college and we require nothing of you. So those are the three major changes, Kim.
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Wow. OK. And so if you're a parent and parents do want to get their kids into daycare and school, college. go to camp. Is there any way to get your kids into the, well, I guess if you're homeless or an immigrant, you wouldn't have to be forced to take these vaccines. But is there really any way around it, Pam Long? Yes.
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Yes. We've had exemption rights and statutes since 1978. The problem is, is that your providers and our state officials at the health department, they do not like to tell parents in our schools, they do not like to tell parents, do you have exemption rights? You have a medical exemption. You have what they call now since 2020 a non-medical exemption. That is a religious or just philosophical belief against any one vaccine or all vaccines or anything in between. And there's an education module. So there's three options. These two forms, a medical or non-medical exemption on the CDPHE website. which doctors will not sign the way they were worded in 2020. It's actually detrimental for providers to sign these forms against their credentials, against their accreditation, against their business. This is a business. This is a product that people are trying to sell you. But there is a module that most parents who exempt use. It's a very biased module. It will not tell you the risks of vaccines. It will not tell you your risks for the disease. It will tell you that vaccines are safe and effective. But most parents just take this online module and then they submit the completion form for their exemptions for public schools, daycares, and colleges. The biggest confusion I get every year on vaccines from parents is that this wording of required versus recommended. There are required vaccines, which you can still exempt for, that the school expects you to have or you have to file an exemption. And then there are recommended vaccines. And I will give examples of... Like the COVID vaccine, it's not required. It's recommended. You don't need an exemption for that. The flu vaccine is recommended. It's not required. You don't need an exemption for that. And for college students, the meningitis vaccine is recommended, but it's not required. You don't need an exemption for that. The point here is that when you go into a doctor's office or any type of vaccine provider and all the ways we can give them now, the dentist can give them now. It's insane. They will not clarify for this. They will not tell you the difference between recommended and required because they want you to buy the product. So they will let you believe it's required for school, daycare, or college. And they will not tell you exemption rights. And they will not tell you about titers testing. You could take a blood test and show, look, I'm immune to measles, mumps, rubella. I don't need a booster. That is in lieu of an exemption. These are all the deceitful ways that this predatory industry operates.
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Okay. Next question, then. I saw the headline that RFK Jr. has removed all the current members of the CDC Vaccine Advisory Committee. This is a very big deal, yes? Yes.
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This is a very big deal, and from my point of view, if you're a pharma shill, when I say pharma shill, that is someone who is just basically acting like a pharma rep for the vaccine companies and trying to sell a product without informed consent, telling you there are risks of adverse injury and disability and death. These are serious risks. They will only tell you safe and effective because they are selling you a product. So this whole removal of the ACIP committee because of their longstanding conflicts of interest and revolving door between industry and government, It is really shaking up these pharma shills. Like here in Colorado, I'll just name him. His name is Senator Kyle Mullica. He does whatever pharma tells him to do in legislation. He is the one person in this state for many years who has been trying to take away parents' exemption rights through legislation with 70 pharma lobbyists supporting him.
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And that's what's so important to do is to connect the dots, follow the money. Those two things are so closely entwined. And as you look at the country, Pam Long, is Colorado one of the most, I don't know what the term, the most restrictive or the pushing vaccines on our kids the most? Or are there other states that are equal to that, more of that? What do you see in all these other states?
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We definitely see Colorado is a, we kind of test, we're a testing ground for, like we are the first state in the nation to say we're changing from the recommendations of the ACIP to the recommendations of the American Academy of Pediatrics, right? that no other state i get to view this from the level the federal level at children's health defense no other state has made that move but i would expect other states now that the asap has been disbanded which was the heart of the the pharma shillery if you will like this is the way we the industry was making sure that all the states were recommending every single vaccine that came to So I would project that we're just the first here. Exemptions are almost impossible in California. New York has had some horrible responses to what they call outbreaks with measles. in violating people's rights, constitutional rights. But I would put us in the top three, probably because of our politics here and the representation we have in our statehouse and our governor's office.
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Which is not the place that I want to be, but that's why we've got to continue to shed light on this. And just clarification. So normally the CDC was doing this vaccine schedule, but now because of the shakeup with RFK Jr., the American Academy of Pediatrics is now coming up with a vaccine schedule that Colorado says that they're going to adhere to. Did I hear that correctly? Yes.
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Well, not exactly. You're close. So, yes, we will still have the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. It will get an entirely new committee members. All the former committee members have been retired, which is a nice way for saying fired for their conflicts of interest. So now here in Colorado, instead of saying, you know, because people think, oh, the ACIP, that's a federal government agency, they're trustworthy, which they weren't. They were heavily conflicted. But so now the pro-vaccine, you know, no exemptions type of lawmakers that we have here in California or Colorado who don't believe in parental rights and parental decision making and you know what's best for your children. They're saying, you know, we'll default to the American Academy of Pediatrics because we know they will recommend every single vaccine that's ever been brought to market, even if it's been removed from the recommended ACIP list, which is what just happened with the COVID vaccine.
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Wow. Okay, well, Pam Long, we're going to delve into this even more next week, but I appreciate you coming on to talk about this. And again, that's Pam Long. She is military director of the military component of Children's Health Defense, a regular guest on the show here, regular author on the show as well. Pam Long, thank you so much. Thank you, Kim. And Karen Levine is a REMAX realtor, and there's a lot going on in the real estate market right now. And if you want to buy or sell your home, you really should have Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And while you're there, make sure that you sign up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out every Sunday. That way you will get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. And so be sure and make sure that you do that. I did want to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation. They are raising the money for the remodel of the official Marine Memorial, which is right here in Golden, Colorado. And we must reflect and remember and honor those that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives for our liberty. And liberty is the responsible exercise of freedom. And liberty is what America was founded on. And so every day we need to make sure that we stop and reflect about these great men and women that have secured our liberty. And a great way to do that is also to help out the USMC Memorial Foundation with a contribution as they are raising the money for the Marine Memorial. Also wanted to mention Mint Financial Strategies. Do you want more freedom and confidence with your money? Well, Mint Financial Strategies can help. They're an independent firm with over 25 years of experience, and as an accredited investment fiduciary, they put your best interests first always. With a strategy-first approach, they'll help you build a plan that fits your life. So call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303- 303-285-3080. That is Mint Financial Strategies. And last night, the girls were over, and we talked about a lot of different things that are on our hearts. One of those things is our elections. And I think many of you have probably seen or heard the reports that Arapahoe County, here in Colorado, changed the cast vote records from the 2020 election. And I wanted to talk with Patty McKernan a little bit about that. She volunteers a variety of things. We'll get her official title here in just a moment. I think that she's the chair of CD6, but I want to make sure. Patty McKernan, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. Great to talk to you again. Good to talk to you also. Seems like it was 10 minutes ago, but that's okay. It was about 10 minutes ago. Do I have that right? You are the chair of CD6, correct?
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I am. Congressional District 6, which is basically all of Arapahoe County and ridiculous little slivers of Douglas, Adams, and Denver, and Jeffco.
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Okay, so what does that mean for the upcoming election that we'll have here in 2026?
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Well, so Jason Crowe is the congressman who is from CD6. And, you know, he just won the Democrat, I don't know, Democrat of the Year or something like that from the Democrat Party. So he's like their golden boy. Well, it's my job as the chair of Congressional District 6 for the GOP to find a worthy candidate to go out and run against Jason Crow and try to get one more Congressional seat to represent the people in Arapahoe County. Now, I've only been in Arapahoe County for a little over four years. But I want to think that this county is not just crazy liberals. And I've been out, you know, knocking on doors. I've been a precinct leader. I'm now district captain. I'm very involved in the county party. And we really don't think that we're that blue. But by the voting, it looks like we're very, very blue. So what's happening right now? Do you want me to jump to that?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, why don't you?
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Yes, please. Okay. So... As we're looking at the county and trying to figure strategies to get conservatives to get out and vote and look at our 60% of our voters that are unaffiliated in Arapahoe County, we have to learn a lot more about the voting behavior and the patterns in the county. Well, our ears are all open to what's going on with election integrity. We have a lot of our members that are involved in U.S. EIP, and that's the Election Integrity Project, and United Sovereign America. So all of this is trying to get the voter rolls cleaned up and to get the voters identified as who they are and how do we find the right voters to get our candidates elected. So our eyes are all on everything going on in elections in Arapahoe County and around the country. And lo and behold, there has been a case out in Nevada. And we kept hearing Arapahoe County is going to be brought up. And you've had Mark Cook on your show. You've had Dr. Walter Dorothy on your show. And we're hearing rumblings of something happening in Arapahoe County. So lo and behold, in I think it was April, the county just decided to up and change the cast vote records that are available. Cast vote records are the things that when you go out to the Secretary of State's office or your county and you want to look at election results, those are cast vote results and records. John Lopez, who's the county clerk, had called for someone to go and revise the cast vote records in Arapahoe. And the reason why they did that is because it was pointed out to them. We don't know how this happened. I'll venture a guess in a moment. But it was pointed out to the county clerk that there was a pattern in our voting that made Democrats and Republicans feel report voting on exactly the same trajectory, the same line on a graph, if you think of loading your votes into a bar graph and then you chart it out with a line chart. All of the Republican, I would say this, all of the Trump voters and the Biden voters were on the same voting pattern for Amendment B, which was removing Gallagher, and for Proposition 115, which was due date too late. And they used the excuse, the county used the excuse, that an assistant professor at Yale was doing analysis on split-ticket voting. So, i.e., I'm a Biden voter, but I vote for a cut in taxes. Or I'm a Trump voter, and I vote for a raise, a tax increase. So we had two of those ballot initiatives, and those graphs were charting the Biden and Trump voters exactly in the same place, approving Gallagher removal and voting down due date too late. So when they had this exposed to them, and I'm using air quotes, they decided they better go back and fix things. So they went into the cast vote records. Well, the cast vote records are certified. The county commissioners signed off. and the – I still can't remember the name of that – the Canvas Board. There we go. Got it. The Canvas Board signed off that these votes were certified. You can't go back and change certified votes. But they did. They went back in and changed over 15 million data points of our 345,000 voters in Arapahoe County. So they've broken the law. And it didn't necessarily change the – vote total at the end of the day. But when you can go in and change your cast vote records by rearranging columns on a spreadsheet to make the graph now look a little bit more believable, there is a there's a law broken there. And now they've exposed all of their county commissioners to certifying an election that they couldn't if they certified it, they can't change it. So my understanding is we have some You read that blurb for Mary. I saw that last night, too, and I didn't get to dig into it deeper. But, you know, the feds are looking at Arapahoe County. The lawsuit in Nevada is calling out Arapahoe County as being a similar problem that they're having in Nevada. So the FBI has some interest here. And, you know, we are not going to sit back and let the Democrat-run county clerk continue on this line of just changing the vote. I confronted her at the Jason Crow, Michael Bennett town hall. And she said, oh, that's just a bunch of crazies that are out there. They've been doing this since 2016. So she kind of blew it off. But there's a group that is going to be pounding the county commissioners at every one of their county commissioner meetings until they get to the bottom of it, and then I think the feds are also going to get to the bottom of it as well. You can't change records like that. You just can't.
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So this is going to be super interesting. So question, Johnny in Denver called in to Joe and asked how to get something like this in Denver. So I know that people want to be taking a look at all of the records, and we hear people ask about Adams County, Jeffco. So is there anything that could be done in Denver County on this project?
SPEAKER 20 :
So I guess for Denver County, I'm not, I don't have any specific advice for Denver County, but I can say that for Jeffco, that's on the radar because Jeffco had the same patterns. They didn't have the same, my understanding is they didn't have the same, they haven't had like a, we don't know that they've had a cast vote record change. I don't think that's happened, but I think they identified a similar pattern in Jeffco. So I believe there are people in Jeffco that are looking into these votes to see if there's a problem there that they need to investigate. So, Johnny, I would say that, you know, citizens, we the people have to do the work because usually the politicians are not ready to do the work. You know, they got elected and now they get to pass bills that we like sometimes and really don't like most of the time. And they're probably not going to help. So you can go into your county clerk and look at the cash flow records. You can get that data. You download it. But you're going to have to find a data scientist, unless you are one, that can analyze patterns and create bar graphs and line graphs so you can see. But you have so many Biden voters in Denver that I can't imagine that there would be Much of a graph to look at, but that's how you do it. You download the data and you get somebody to look at the data and see if it matches the electorate, if you will. We know Denver's dark blue. That's really hard. It's a tough one.
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Okay. Patty McKernan, hang with us. And I think we're going to get Teresa on the line as well. I'm talking with Patty McKernan regarding this change in the cast vote records in Arapahoe County, which is very interesting. Of course, we've got our lawsuits that we helped fund with United Sovereign Americans and well as Peter Bernager with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice. And he did just text me and said, take a look at my tweet. And so we'll take a look at that. It's basically the information that we shared from Mary as well. But these elections are so important. Colorado's at the tip of the spear on so many of these things. And so we will continue the discussion when we come back. And for everything mortgages, make sure that you reach out to Lorne Levy. He can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. This summer, I would recommend that you make sure that you get your kids in the car and head down to the center. for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. And take a look at the portraits of valor that they have of many of our Medal of Honor recipients and learn their stories and talk with your children and your grandchildren about it. It will really change their lives. The center's focused on these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And that website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. I have on the line with me Patty McKernan. She is the chair of Congressional District 6, which is primarily Arapahoe County. And then we have Teresa Irby on the line as well. She is our partnership sponsorship liaison with the Kim Monson Show. So, Teresa, welcome. Good morning, Kim. Good morning, everyone. And, Teresa, before we continue our discussion regarding these elections, it's really great to have you as part of the team. And we have new sponsors. We have sponsors we've had for a long time. But so pleased to welcome Radiant Painting and Lighting, which is Karen Gorday, as well as Jody Henze with Mint Financial Strategies. And, of course, Ben Williams. a senior and junior with Ben's Plumbing and Heating and Cooling. So you're doing a great job on that. And how can people reach you, Teresa? We have great partners, don't we? We do. Go ahead. Well, you're out there talking to others that potentially may become a sponsor, which we would love. And if people are interested in talking with you, what's the best way to reach you?
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SPEAKER 19 :
So Teresa, I want to get your read on this as well as Patty's. Peter Berneger had texted me this morning. He said, take a look at my tweet. And it is this. And It says on May 12th, well, he said the U.S. Department of Justice sends Colorado Secretary of State letter demanding all records of the 2024 election and all that remain of the 2020 election. It says on May 12th, the Justice Department asked that they turn over all these records as well as preserve these records from 2020. A lot of that is already gone, Patty McKernan, because they could destroy election records forever. after basically 27 months, which is crazy to me. We should be able to save this for a long time. But this is going to be very interesting what's going to happen here, Patty McKernan.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes. So part of that cast vote record commentary from my comments earlier, there are ballot images And I think the ballot images may still be available. So I do believe that there is a way to take image by image, hand count those basically, and compare them to the outcome, the election numbers that are out there. But if they have destroyed the physical ballots, which I believe they have, then we really have to just think that we have to trust what the images say. And I'm not going to trust that. So it'll be very interesting to find out if there are any ballots still available from 2020. And this is about Tina Peters as well, by the way. If you dig down into the tweet, well, this is the quote. Griswold and other election officials in Colorado suspect the letter to be in some way tied to the state's prosecution of former mesa county clerk tina peters who has become a folk hero among those who still deny the 2020 election results so i think that you know there the federal the feds are the doj is interested in how the state has persecuted tina peters and that she's a political prisoner and she did what was right in the federal in the federal government's eyes in retaining the image of the vote machine, the voting software image, and that's what the Secretary of State wants to hide because they, I mean, it's pretty obvious to me that there's something going on. I shared last night that there's a race in 2020 in SD19, Senate District 19, where it's a 2,000 to 3,000 swing vote district, And Len Gerber lost by 17,000 votes in the same year that Biden got 81 million votes and no presidential candidate has ever broken 70 million. So we do know that there are problems and we're starting to see a lot of interest from the DOJ and I'm hoping that gets down to Arapahoe County so we can get the truth here as well.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, Teresa Irby, last night, all the girls, I would say that making sure that we have free, fair, honest, transparent elections, that is one of the paramount concerns of many of the people that you and I know, correct?
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. I think we heard that across the room last night. People just want true justice. They want voter integrity, and they want to know that their elections are honest.
SPEAKER 19 :
And when we have words like this, Patty McKernan, as I was looking at this article from KUOW and NPR Network, for people that are not really watching this, the wording in this continues to push a narrative that When it says that the U.S. Department of Justice is demanding this unprecedented amount of election data from at least one state, according to documents obtained by NPR, as the Department of Justice transformed, get this, transformed by the Trump administration, reviews cases targeting the president's political allies and and caters to his desire to exert more power over state voting processes. Isn't that interesting, the way that they couch that, Patty McKernan?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes, and it is. We just have to get back to one of the things that Ed Solomon said. We are guaranteed in our Constitution fair and representative elections. And that is what we're guaranteed. And that's all we want. That's all we want. We search for the truth. And truth was the big conversation last night. We want the truth. And so truth to many of the people on the left is it's none of your business. You know, sit down and shut up. So they use language to try to make people feel like, you know, oh, we're the bad guys. We're trying to do something good. Just to, you know, appease our people. No, it's every single person. And if I find out the truth in Arapahoe County is that, you know, we really are that that left. I have to question why I moved here four years ago. No, I'm here to, you know, try to fight the good fight, get the truth out.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and Teresa Irby, that's what we do every day on The Kim Monson Show is to search for truth and clarity. I think, Teresa, this may be the watershed moment where we can talk with the unaffiliated voter, the voter that's just busy trying to keep it together for their lives and and saying, hey, we all want the same thing. We want truth in all this. And I think that this may be a watershed moment. It's a stay tuned, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. I feel like the blinders are coming off of a lot of people because we're having more transparency. And I think things are being revealed and people's minds could start changing. And that's what I'm hoping for that. Again, it's about truth and integrity and honesty, and that's all we're looking for.
SPEAKER 19 :
And I think, Patty McKernan, that's what most people, I think that's what most Coloradans do want. Now, there's the radical activists, extremists in Colorado, and they're very loud, but that's why we need to continue to do what we're doing. So, Patty McKernan, about 30 seconds, your final thought, and then Teresa, your final thought.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I think that... I think that there's a crack in the door for the first time to actually shed some light on what's happening. And if Arapahoe County becomes the petri dish of the U.S. voting issues, then so be it. And we're ready and prepared to support that, you know, shining the light on it.
SPEAKER 19 :
I'm buckling my seatbelt to see where we're going from here. It's pretty exciting. And thank you, Patty McKernan. Teresa Irby, your final thought.
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And thank you, Patty McKernan. Thank you, Teresa Irby. Our quote for the end of the show is Clarence Thomas. And Teresa, you and I didn't talk to each other about this, but he said this. He said, it takes a person with a mission to succeed. So stay tuned. We'll be back for hour number two.
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Big news, and this is coming in from many of you, regarding the Department of Justice demanding these election records here in Colorado. This is a really big deal. And I'm so pleased that we have in place this. Those lawsuits with United Sovereign Americans and also with Peter Brunegger with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice, I think that having those lawsuits filed because of all of you, all of your help in raising the money to make those happen, I think that this is going to be – very supportive of what's happening regarding the Department of Justice and Colorado. And as many of you coming in on the text line, this is also, I think, about Tina Peters. She is in prison right now because she worked to preserve election records, had questions about that. That's the bottom line because she was accused of process crimes in making that happen and was convicted of those crimes, was not able to present a lot of important evidence in her trial because the judge prevented that from happening. So she's now in the Logistic Correctional Facility down in Pueblo. And she is appealing This conviction, and it has to be able to get out on bond while that is happening, and that bond was denied. So this is a really big deal, a big news day on Colorado. So I think that it's going to just stay tuned on all that's going on with that. The show comes to you because of our sponsors, and Teresa Irby was on the line in our number one, who is our sponsorship partnership liaison. And she's bringing on great sponsors, and one of those is Mint Financial Strategies. And are you ready for financial freedom? 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And I'm just a little shocked that we've got this going on with Senator Hawley. It seems like he should know better than this. And this really makes it more difficult for entrepreneurs and small businesses to absorb these costs. They'll hire less. They'll try to automate more. The owners will probably work more hours. And so this is pretty concerning that he is proposing this, and I'm just really shocked. And so this headline from NBC News says it's an unusual move for a Republican – as the party has thwarted previous attempts by Democrats to increase the nationwide minimum wage floor. And so this is important to keep an eye on this. And again, yeah, he's Republican from Missouri. And he introduced this with Senator Peter Welch, Democrat of Vermont. Sometimes I think these guys get to Washington, D.C., and they forget the real basics of our economics. Next thing to mention is that this weekend, June 14th, is Flag Day. It's also Donald Trump's birthday. And it's the Saturday that all of these protests throughout the country are being pushed. And you can get more information by going to this website, knowkings.org. And I think one of the positives is you can go to their partners and you can see all of these different organizations that basically it's that they hate Donald Trump and they say no kings. But yet all of those groups want government to be the king and they all want to be part of that government group. that would be the king over everyday hardworking people. And one of the tenants of all of that is climate. They are using climate change as the lever to be kings over all of us. That's why the movie Climate Conversation is important. Check that out. It is the project of Walt Johnson. And He wanted to just have a conversation about this whole narrative on climate. We did the movie, I think, about three years ago now. It seems like just yesterday. But he was one of the first to really come out and have an honest conversation. And he and Ramey asked me to be the moderator, which is my great honor. You can watch that for free at aclimateconversation.com. That is at climateconversation.com. Let's see. Any other headlines? Oh, Governor Polis assigns expanded protections for illegal immigrants in Colorado. And let's see. Oh, the other thing is, is the kerfuffle between Musk and Donald Trump. Seems like maybe that's dying down. Elon Musk issued an apology, said that he was a... I'm paraphrasing, a bit over the top on some of his comments regarding Donald Trump. So perhaps they are going to mend that relationship. And let's see, one other thing. I thought this was interesting. Bellevue Station here in the Denver metro area is expanding with a 22-story tower here. 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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com as well. And text line I want to hear from you is 720-605-0647. That's 720-605-0647. On the line is Rob Nadelson, and he is a nationally known constitutional scholar and author whose constitutional research has been cited repeatedly by justices and parties at the U.S. Supreme Court, as well as by federal appeals courts and at least 16 state supreme courts. And he is the author of the original Constitution, What It Actually Said and Meant. Rob Nadelson, welcome.
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It's great to be with you again, Kim. Thanks for having me on.
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Well, it's good to have you as well. And your book, The Original Constitution, what it actually said and meant, is into its fourth edition?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it's just about to go live as a fourth edition. And it includes a lot of editing and streamlining and so forth, but it also includes information about the Constitution and arising from issues that have occurred since the last edition. So, for example, the last edition came out in 2015. There have been two impeachments, as you know, since then, a lot of debate over the grounds for impeachment, and the revised portions of the book examines what are and aren't the grounds of impeachment. So that's an example of a way Although the book covers the original Constitution and the original Constitution doesn't change, it's how the book responds to evolving areas of public interest.
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Okay. Another question that's on a lot of people's minds is executive orders. And I emailed you about it. You said it's complicated. Is there a 30,000-foot view on executive orders because Biden issued a bunch, Trump has issued a bunch? So what would you say to people?
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There's a 30,000-foot view, but you couldn't see anything from that distance. Okay. Here's the problem in a nutshell. First, executive orders are of two basic kinds. There are those first that the president issues in order to run the executive branch. The Constitution says the president must take care that the laws be faithfully executed. And it's always been recognized that that means that the president has general command authority over the executive branch, as well, of course, as being commander in chief of the armed forces, the military part of the executive branch. So orders quite frequently go out from the president telling his employees to do this or don't do that. That's one kind of executive order. The second kind of executive order is the kind that is issued according to delegated authority given to him by Congress. So, for example, Congress may say something like, we're setting tariffs at 10 percent for goods coming from Jordan, let's say. But if the president determines that there's a national security threat from Jordan, he may raise the tariff to, say, 40 percent. And so that kind of executive order is pursuant to the president's statutory authority. Most of Trump's executive orders fit in that category. But the disputes that have arisen over them reflect the fact that number one, every statute is different. I mean, they give different levels of authority to the president. They impose different guidelines on the president. And so you can't assess any executive order issued under a statute without examining the statute carefully and also without examining case law that might have been established under that statute. And as a result of this, There's no one thing you can say about these executive orders. Each one has to be looked at of its own merits. A very good example is the case in which the Court of International Trade struck down some of President Trump's tariff orders. It's a very interesting opinion. I wouldn't just dismiss it the way some conservatives have. The court makes a lot of good points. The decision right now is on hold. But that case is an example of the complexity that arises when the president issues an executive order under a statute and the executive order turns out to be controversial.
SPEAKER 19 :
So just a question on this international trade. How would it with our own national sovereignty, how would it be that this international trade organization could have any weigh-in on what we want to do as a country? Is it an agreement that we make?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the answer to that is it's not an organization. It's a court. The Court of International Trade is a court established by Congress – under Article III of the United States Constitution. I'm aware that many people didn't know it existed, but it's there. It's a specialized court in the same way that many states have specialized business courts. And it has the kind of power that a federal district court has, but within its restricted area. And so when President Trump issued these tariff orders, naturally people that were disadvantaged, sued, and claimed that he exceeded his power. The court ultimately, and by the way, I've written about this in an article recently appearing, and all my articles eventually appear on the Independence Institute website. The court found that one of the group of orders exceeded President Trump's statutory authority because they were too open-ended. In other words, there wasn't enough of a standard issued for the tariffs. And another group simply did not or were not issued in compliance with the statutory standards. So that's the kind of analysis that a court goes through in considering whether the executive order is valid or invalid. Let me just add, Kim, to this. This whole issue of how much wiggle room a president has in issuing executive orders, is tied into a larger dispute, which is coming up this term in the Supreme Court. And that is the extent to which Congress can delegate power to the executive branch. Most originalist analysts, let's say most constitutionalist analysts, believe that the Congress has simply gone too far in delegating authority to the executive branch. So this is going to be part of a wider issue considered by the court in a case that's coming up, if not today, within the next few weeks.
SPEAKER 19 :
So June is a busy time regarding the Supreme Court because every Thursday they are issuing opinions. Is that right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that's right. And in fact, just about the time you and I will be signing off, they're going to be probably coming out with some more opinions. They may or may not be controversial. Generally speaking, I think the court saves its most controversial opinions for the end of the term so that they can get out of Dodge.
SPEAKER 19 :
And that will be coming up at the end of the month then, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we really don't know. This particular case, if you're interested in this issue of how much power can be delegated by Congress to the executive branch, is called Federal Communication Commission versus Consumer Research.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. Well, we'll want to stay tuned on that. Let's talk a little bit about this article that is over at i2i.org, which is the Independence Institute's website. The article first appeared in town hall just recently on June 9th. And talk a little bit about this article.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, tell me which one it is, okay? Oh, okay. I'm producing about four articles a week right now.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. This is the one that you had linked me to. It says over the last few – I think this is it. Over the last few years, the Supreme Court has issued several decisions trimming back the federal deep state, which is the unelected group that, along with a few senior elected officials – I think you're referring to Trump versus Wilcox.
SPEAKER 10 :
Is that right? I think so. Yeah. This is a preliminary order, actually, but it's an interesting signal. The deep state really is the topic of a lot of the Supreme Court's burden in this particular term. And this is one example. In addition to this whole issue of how much power Congress can delegate to the president and to the executive branch, there's another issue, which is how much Congress can tie the president's hands by creating executive branch agencies where the directors who run them cannot be dismissed by the president. So in the case of the two agencies under dispute right now, let's refer specifically to the National Labor Relations Board, I believe the National Labor Relations Board has five members, and my recollection is they serve four-year terms. So the president appoints a member of the National Labor Relations Board. That appointment is approved by the Senate, and then that person begins a four-year term and, except under unusual circumstances, cannot be removed by the president. The problem with this is that To relate to something I just said a minute ago, the Constitution gives the president general supervision over the executive branch. And if there are executive branch agencies whose directors he can't fire, then his ability to supervise the executive branch is impaired. There was a case called the SELA law case. SELA is S-E-I-L-A. The CLN law case arose five years ago in which Congress had created the Consumer Finance Protection Board, a creation of our friend from, a senator from Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren. I use the term friend ironically. And the legislation created a director of the Consumer Finance Protection Board who served, I think, for five years and could not be removed by the president. And during President Trump's first term, that issue was litigated and the Supreme Court held that that attempt to insulate the director from the president was unconstitutional. And so that's one of several cases which seems to indicate that the court is moving more in the direction of Democratic control over the administrative state or over the deep state by limiting perhaps the amount of delegation to the executive branch and also empowering the president to remove members of the executive branch, even if Congress tries to insulate them.
SPEAKER 19 :
That's crazy that Congress would do that, because what that then means is, is that we are being controlled by people that are unelected and unaccountable to the voter.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, that's that's the progressive model. And I'm using the term progressive in its longer historical sense, starting with President Woodrow Wilson. The idea is that government is best administered by experts who have all the answers. And the people are limited to voting for elected officials who hand over vast swaths of authority to these experts, and the experts actually run the government. That's been basically the norm in the federal government over the past, well, past decades, perhaps as long as 80 years. I mention 80 years because it was 80 years ago that the Supreme Court upheld the idea of protecting executive branch officials from the president. And that's what we've been living under, but that's not what the Constitution requires. The Constitution did not create an administrative state. It did not create an oligarchy. It created a democratic republic. And I think we have a majority on the Supreme Court that while it will proceed cautiously, still understands that fundamental truth about the Constitution.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmonson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com as well. The USMC Memorial Foundation is a nonprofit that I dearly love and support because it is so important that we remember and honor those that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives for our liberty. And the official Marine Memorial is right here in Golden. And Paula Sarles, who's the president of the foundation and her team, are doing all kinds of things to raise the money for the remodel. You can get more information on that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. I'm talking with Rob Nadelson, a nationally known constitutional scholar and author. His constitutional research has been cited repeatedly by justices and parties at the U.S. Supreme Court. as well as other federal court or the federal appeals courts, and at least 16 state Supreme Courts. And he is the author of the original Constitution, what it actually said and meant. Great book, Rob Nadelson.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you. By the way, Kim, I wanted to make explicit something that was implied by what I said just before the break, but I think I need to emphasize it. These cases that I'm talking about, about dealing with the issue of the administrative state, these are not really partisan for the most part. And you can see that by recognizing that in different cases, the Trump administration is on both sides. So, for example, in the question of whether Congress can hamstring the president's power over executive branch officials by giving those officials a set term of office, Obviously, the Trump administration is against the set terms of office. They want to be able to fire people within the executive branch so they can carry out their executive responsibilities and the people's will. On the other hand, the issue of whether Congress has delegated too much power to the executive branch, generally the Trump administration is has been fairly aggressive with their executive orders. They've interpreted their power to the outer limits. Some people would argue beyond. And their position is, this delegation to us is fine, and it's great for Congress to give us almost unlimited power within a particular area. So you can see the Trump administration, like most presidencies, is kind of on both sides of these issues. And someone like me who works in constitutional law tries to look beyond that and say, look, what are the long-term trends here? What needs to happen in constitutional law? And I think what needs to happen in constitutional law is that we need to restore the democratic aspect of our republic by reasserting the power of people's elected representatives over the administrative state. and also by restoring the federalism balance between the states and the federal government.
SPEAKER 19 :
And it appears that we're headed that way, yes?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. The court has been inching itself in that direction, except that it has not yet taken on the federal government's expansive definition of their commerce power, and property power and taxation power. These are the powers that are at the basis of the megastate. So, for example, they'll say, under the commerce power, Congress can't delegate or Congress didn't delegate this much authority to this particular agency, but they never reached the issue of is Congress abusing its commerce power, which I believe it is. So the court really thus far has not stood up to Congress but it has stood up to administrative agencies.
SPEAKER 19 :
OK, well, this is exciting and there is a lot going on. And I've been watching some of these Supreme Court decisions. And so let's change gears a little bit. You had a piece in the Epoch Times that you said those of us who have faced discrimination as members of so-called majority groups and indeed all people of goodwill should be cheered by the Supreme Court's unanimous decision in Ames versus Ohio Department of Youth Services. So unpack this a little bit for us, Rob.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, this was a case that arose out of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In one part of the country, the part of the country covered by the Sixth Federal Circuit, the group of courts below the Supreme Court, when a member of a minority group claimed discrimination, the member of the minority group could establish his case at least for further review, by meeting two criteria. You had to show two different things. But if you were a member of a so-called majority group, such as white males, and of course white males are not a majority, they're only 30% of the country, but they were considered a majority. If you were a white male, then you had to establish three things in order to proceed with your lawsuit. The case that the Supreme Court decided was Ames versus Ohio Department of Youth Services. This involved a woman who was a heterosexual who had started off at the secretarial level in the Department of Youth Services. She had been promoted to a managerial position. She applied for a further promotion, and she was turned down in favor of a homosexual. Okay, well, that can happen. But then what happened is that she was fired from her existing position, her middle management position, bumped down back to secretarial level, and her position was given to another homosexual. So she claimed that there was a violation of the civil rights law in that she was being discriminated against based upon her sexual identity or gender preference. Now, sexual identity and gender preference really should not be part of the civil rights law, but the Supreme Court five years ago held that it is. So let's just proceed. So because she's a member of a so-called majority group, that is to say heterosexuals, she was required to make three showings. And one of the showings that she had to make, which a member of a minority group would have had to make, was to show that her employer was the unusual kind of employer who would discriminate against majorities. Now, that's very, very difficult to show because you'd have to come up with prior evidence, statistical material, and so forth. The U.S. Supreme Court held unanimously that that was a misreading of the Civil Rights Act. It didn't matter whether you were a member of a minority group, a majority group, or anything in between. The standards for making out a claim for discrimination are the same. To tell you the truth, Kim, this is an issue that's very close to my heart because, as you know, I was an academic. I was a law professor for 25 years. And I saw that discrimination against members of so-called majority groups, meaning heterosexual white males, was not something that was unusual. It was something that was rampant. And my own career suffered for it. I was explicitly turned down for promotion to two better law schools. You think of it in that term. for explicitly because I was a white male. There was no secret about it. And then when I talked to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission about it, I was strongly discouraged from proceeding, basically saying that because I was a white male, I was not going to be able to effectively make out a civil rights complaint. Well, it's very late now. I'm no longer at academia. But it's good to see my position vindicated by a nine to nothing vote of the Supreme Court.
SPEAKER 19 :
Rob Nadelson, discrimination, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, has been expanded significantly. And it's moving to a situation that I think could be very dangerous in Colorado with this House Bill 1312, which is, I call it the transgender activist bill. But in that, if you do not call someone by a preferred pronoun... in the public square, you might be accused of discrimination. I don't think that this is where the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ever thought that it might get to here in America.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the law you're referring to in Colorado is Colorado's state anti-discrimination law, not the Civil Rights Act of 1964, because that's federal. But let's lump them together for a the passage of civil rights laws were justified. And they were justified because the government itself had discriminated based on race and other factors for many years, thereby making the playing field fundamentally unfair. But when these laws were passed, they were based mostly upon what are called immutable characteristics. That is to say, if you were discriminated against because you are a woman, you're discriminated against because you're a woman, well, there's nothing, despite what some people might say, there's nothing really that you can do to change your chromosomes. You're going to remain a woman. Or discrimination based on race. Those kinds of immutable characteristics were the kind of characteristics that were protected under the original civil rights laws. But as often happens in government... special interests started to capture the legislature and say, hey, protect us too, and they would make out cases. So the most egregious example of this I can think of is the Colorado civil rights law, where they are giving essentially special privileges to people not based on anything they were born with, but on how they choose to act within the workplace. You know, if they come in with some wild wig or some ridiculous hairdo or whatever, and they're fired for that, they can claim protection under civil rights law. That's obviously unfair, but it's even worse because as you expand these civil rights categories, more and more and more, they start to infringe upon other freedoms that people have. For example, under the U.S. Constitution, I have a right to free association. It's implicit in the First Amendment. That means I've got a right not to associate with certain people. I've got a freedom of religion. I shouldn't be forced, for example, to communicate pro-homosexual messages in my work. And yet these so-called civil rights laws, these metastasized civil rights laws, are increasingly conflicting with these other freedoms. And as you know, there have been a series of cases coming out of Colorado. The U.S. Supreme Court has already struck down Colorado twice for anti-religious bias, and the court just granted certiorari on a third one, and there's another one coming up today. The fact is that this state is now largely controlled by people who are profoundly hostile to traditional religion and are using the civil rights law as kind of a club with which to attack traditional religion.
SPEAKER 19 :
So this is going to be very interesting. You can see how this plays out then in Colorado. I'm talking with Rob Nadelson. He is an expert on the Constitution. And the fourth edition of his book, The Original Constitution, What It Actually Said and Meant, is going to be released very, very soon. And the last time you did an update on it was 2015, right? A lot's happened.
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It's been 10 years, yeah.
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Welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That's kimmonson.com. Also check out the website for the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. That website is americanvaluescenter.org. I'd highly recommend that while the kids are out of school this summer to take a trip down there. Enjoy the beautiful Riverwalk. Have a great lunch on one of the restaurants there and take a look at the Center for American Values website. On the line with me is Rob Nadelson. He is a nationally known constitutional scholar and author whose constitutional research has been cited repeatedly by justices and parties at the U.S. Supreme Court as well as by federal appeals courts and at least 16 state supreme courts. He's the author of the original constitution, what it actually said and meant, and the fourth edition is right around the corner here, so that's great. Any other cases that may be coming down the pike that people should know about Rob Nadelson?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, let me mention one or two that have been decided. The so-called ghost gun case, this involved a ban or rather a regulation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives of gun assembly kits. And the court has issued an opinion on that. I think the court got it wrong. It's not a constitutional case. It's an interpretation of the Gun Control Act of 1968. My analysis of that particular case has just been posted at townhall.com. So you go to townhall.com and enter Nadelson or Ghost Gun. The article should come up. Another case which I think is rightly decided actually came out in March. and that is TikTok versus Garland. Congress passed legislation saying that the social media platform TikTok had to be divested by its communist Chinese parent or else it couldn't operate in the United States. And naturally, TikTok complained that that was a violation of the First Amendment, and the court held unanimously it was not a violation of the First Amendment. Unfortunately, in that case, the court got itself all tied up in unnecessary ways, I think, because of the way the court's First Amendment jurisprudence has evolved. In the 20th century, the Supreme Court basically invented First Amendment jurisprudence instead of going back to what the founders meant by freedom of speech. And as a result, their cases get all confusing and, as I said, tied up. The easy way to think about TikTok versus Garland is this way. Back in 1791, when the First Amendment was adopted, let's suppose that a newspaper editor was using his newspaper in a circulation and the information he was gathering to spy for a foreign government, say to spy for Spain. Would the federal authorities have been prevented from going against him from spying simply because he was running a newspaper? The answer is no, of course not. And that's how TikTok should have been decided. TikTok is this big spying organization, basically. And the fact that that includes First Amendment material is really incidental. That's how the court should have decided it. Instead, what the court did is, as I mentioned, got into these hair-splitting categorizations based upon its wrong-headed jurisprudence of the 20th century. Still, the result was correct, and the result was unanimous.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. And what was that exact result on that, then?
SPEAKER 10 :
Basically, that Congress could ban TikTok.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. But that has not happened yet, has it?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, there have been... The president was delegated authority to extend an exemption for TikTok, and he's used that, I think, at least twice. He's trying to use it as a negotiating chip, I think, with the Chinese. I'm not sure I agree with that, but that's what he's doing.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. Next thing, we have watched many of these lower court injunctions regarding some of the things that Trump is trying to do. So like an injunction that says that the guy that was here illegally, that got exported back to El Salvador, that he's supposed to come back. What do you think about all these? I think they're kind of crazy injunctions. What do you think?
SPEAKER 10 :
This is an issue like the executive order, where I say it depends very much on the case. Each of these injunctions may be issued based upon a different precedent, based upon a different statute, based upon a different collection of facts. And so they have to be viewed one by one. The only generalization I can give you is that I think that the district courts have been overusing... National injunctions. National injunctions were fairly rare until recently when the court started using them, particularly during the first Trump administration. I'm not alone in believing this. I think the justices of the Supreme Court also believe that national injunctions are being overused. As to specific cases, as I said, they differ as much as the laws and the facts differ. Take, for example, the individual whom the president deported under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. There are two big issues there. One is, could the president justifiably trigger the Alien Enemies Act? The Alien Enemies Act would require a showing that the government of Venezuela is participating in an invasion of the United States. by sending their thugs to the United States. I don't know if that's true or not. I haven't seen the facts. I mean, I think that illegal immigration is an invasion, but whether the government of Venezuela is involved in it, I don't know. And so that's a fact issue that's going to have to be determined. The other question is, you know, was this guy who was deported entitled to any due process? I think the answer to that is clearly yes. The U.S. Constitution is very clear. No person, and that would include an illegal alien, can be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. That's the Constitution. Well, then the next question is, how much due process is he entitled to, and what procedures should be used? So there was a battle over whether he could proceed under the Administrative Procedures Act or whether his sole purpose option was to apply for rid of habeas corpus. The Supreme Court said he's entitled to procedures, but his option is to apply for rid of habeas corpus. And then if he's entitled to due process, how extensive does that process have to be? Generally, it's less for somebody who's an illegal alien than for somebody who's a citizen. How much less? Do you see the complexity of these things? I'm not trying to obfuscate this. I'm just saying it is not It is not reducible to soundbite form, Kim.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and it seems to me, though, that these lower court judges are trying to put sand in the gear to stop the Trump agenda.
SPEAKER 10 :
I'm sure in some cases that's true. I'm sure that it's not true in all cases, but I'm sure in some cases it's true.
SPEAKER 19 :
And because looking at the 2026 election, if in fact the radical Democrats can take either the House or the Senate, then the Trump agenda and what he's trying to accomplish would be very, very difficult.
SPEAKER 10 :
Let's just say something political, not constitutional. Anytime you try to downsize government, or reform government, or introduce more free market reforms, you're going to get enormous pushback from the establishment, the establishment bureaucracy, the political establishment, and the media. And this is not just true in the United States. This is true in every country around the world where free market reforms have been tried. As a result of this, and this is largely based on the experience of Margaret Thatcher in England and the experience of the Roger Douglas government in the 1980s in New Zealand, as a result, free market and conservative reformers have learned that when you take power, you must move as fast as possible. You're going to make mistakes along the way. You just have to push it and go as fast as possible. And I'm delighted to see that the Trump administration has learned that lesson, as previous Republican administrations have not. But nevertheless, you can still see the sand, to use your metaphor, the sand being thrown into the gears with an effort to slow things down, to tread water, is another metaphor, until they can gather their forces and fight back. That's just You know, that's just what we're seeing going on here. The Trump administration moving very fast and the establishment pushing back. I'm disappointed by the fact that some things seem to have fallen by the wayside already. I mean, it doesn't look, for example, like the Department of Education is going to be abolished, even though abolition of the Department of Education has been promised by Republicans again and again and again for the past 50 years. But Abolition is not in the big beautiful bill. Okay. Whether it will happen or not, I don't know. I'd rather doubt it.
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In this episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush delves into the pervasive influence of social media influencers and the rampant spread of misinformation. With false predictions surrounding topics such as martial law continuing to gain traction, John emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and skepticism. He warns listeners to be cautious of those who profit off sensationalist content and outlines the methods by which they generate views and revenue. As the discussion progresses, John takes a broader look at the current political climate, highlighting the increased confrontations between political activists at rallies. With input from guests, the conversation explores cautiousness in engaging with these confrontations and the potential influence of organized funding behind protest activities. Listen in as John provides insights into the ongoing battle against misinformation and the importance of staying informed in today's media landscape.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And I did a little research, by the way, through that news break we just had, Bob Duco's commentary, really asking the question, Will there be martial law? Are there predictions for martial law on Sunday? And I even asked the particular persons that have been telling me that there will be who's predicting this. And one thing that I'll give as a word of caution, because I always do this anyways, is really look at people that are predicting these things. And where I'm going with this is if this is some YouTuber or TikToker or somebody on Instagram or whatever, and they're a quote unquote influencer and they're saying these things, be really careful. Because as I've explained a gazillion times, influencers make money by clicks, by views, by you watching their video. And when it comes to even Instagram and TikTok, they make money by sharing the video. In fact, the longer you watch or if you watch it again and again, they get more and more views. how should I say this, money, revenue, by those things happening as to what I just said a moment ago. So the more it's shared, the more you like it, the more that you've sent it on to somebody else. If you might share it on your own page and so on, all of those things will add revenue for that particular individual. That's how it works. So you really have to be careful when you're following somebody that's making these kinds of predictions. Are they making it because they're really being honest and they've got factual evidence to back it up, or are they just looking for likes and views? I'll give you an example. This is a little bit out of the box, but it's not. I had a couple different people over the past, I don't know, few weeks send me different videos and articles even that General Motors is going to release a new Chevelle. No, they're not. But there's people out there that are even, you know, there's even drawings and this is what it's going to look like and, and, and. And, you know, there was, for example, another one that went around for a little while. A Cadillac is going to have its own Corvette. No, they're not. No, they're not. Nowhere has that even been talked about. But yet these things will become, you know, will get circulated to where people will start believing these things. And pretty soon everybody's thinking that, yeah, this is coming. This is going to happen. No, no, it's not. No, it's not. And I look at this whole martial law thing in very much the same way. Who started it? Who's saying it? Who's promoting it? And are they valid? Because I can tell you that some of the things I'm mentioning on the car sides of things, these guys that are talking about this stuff are total knuckleheads. They're wrong. It's not going to happen. It's wishful thinking. So be careful when you look at and or share things that somebody, especially on social media, YouTube, etc. And I get it. There's a lot of news and there's some great things that can come from those sources. I'm not knocking them. It's no different than any other news source, by the way. You still have to do your double checks to make sure that, A, does this make sense? Is this just so outlandish it just doesn't make any sense? B, is this real? Is this person able to back this up? For example, you could go out on YouTube and watch any flat earther explain the flat earth, and you'd think, wow, these guys got their stuff together. They don't. They're knuckleheads. It's not going to happen. It's not real, I should say. We live on a round earth. We know that. But they'll come up with all these different excuses as to, you know, we live on a flat earth. Okay, well, just because they're saying it in a video doesn't mean anything. They're still wrong. Just because somebody says it's so doesn't mean it is, is my point. So be really careful of that. And going back to the widespread GOP gains, there's an article in the Daily Signal. We interview folks in there on a quite often basis, very often basis. And there's a New York Times study that is finding widespread GOP gains sounding the alarm for Democrats, meaning we're gaining. They're not. Everything I talked about last hour, before the hour ended, about the gains that we're making and why there won't be martial law, there's articles proving what I'm saying. The Democrats are in trouble and they know it. They're not bringing people into the fold like they need to. We are. Conrad, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, you know, I got that text message a little while ago. I couldn't really talk to you, but now I can, but They would love nothing more than for somebody like you or me or any of us who are conservative Republican activists and talk people to go down there and get into it with one of them. And, you know, hopefully they probably want to get caught on film that there's a bunch of right-wing radicals down here that are beating us up. And, you know, that's what they do. They're just sleazes is all they are. You know that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and I think that's where, you know, I was just talking earlier, Conrad, and I get it. Some people's, you know, DNA and some people are more equipped. And, you know, Dan Muir used to be with me as my co-host. He had the type of personality where he could go down there inside of those particular rallies and nobody would bother him. He'd be their best friend by the time it was all said and done. And he's a perfect fit for that. Conrad, I'm not. It's not my personality, not my DNA.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, well, you know, I get my blood boiling and I'm probably... get into it with one of them. I've got a guy up in Evergreen that I do tech battling with. He's a jerk, and we go at it all the time, too. Anyway, they love nothing more than confrontation, and you're absolutely right. That's the worst thing we could do is go down there and get into it. I mean, like you said, somebody that's cool like Dan could do it. Maybe that would be a different story.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and the thing about that is where Dan would do this, there wouldn't be any fights, arguments. You know, again, those people would love him by the time he left. That's just the persona that he had. So you wouldn't have any uprising with somebody like him being there. It would be totally different.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. You know, I've kind of got a sneaking suspicion that Soros has his hands in this. What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER 08 :
Say that again, Conrad. Sorry, you broke up. Say that again for me.
SPEAKER 07 :
Do you have a sneaking suspicion that George Soros has his hands in this?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, absolutely. I think he's probably one of, not all of, but one of the funders of, absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, they've got to be organized. They've got all these frozen water bottles and junk, and the cinder blocks and the bags they can break up and throw at the At the police, it's organized. It's definitely organized.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. No. And again, Conrad, they are doing this in a lot of cases. These organizations, I've said this before, where they're using our tax dollars that are funding some of these particular non quote unquote nonprofits. And that money is getting funneled into the very things that we are talking about. These guys are slick. They know what they're doing. It is a an underground movement. I guess you could say they they're very sleek about how they're doing it. Of course, eventually they get exposed and they are right now. But reality is we still have to deal with these knuckleheads.
SPEAKER 07 :
I heard today that President Trump is going to send the Marines in there, but they're not going to have their guns loaded. I don't know if you heard that.
SPEAKER 08 :
I didn't hear anything about the guns, but what the Marines are doing in L.A. specifically is protecting ICE agents, protecting our assets that are there, federally speaking, and that's why they're there. And by the way, that's why he can do what he's doing and why Newsom's suit got squashed, because there's nothing to sue over. He's got the full right and authority as president to do what he's doing in that regard.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely. But I'm just saying, I wonder if it hopefully will never descend into the point where they would have to fire at anybody. But, I mean, if they're not, maybe they've got their animals standing by if they need it. But, you know, I guess make their presence known.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and I would say in a particular situation like that, their presence alone, I do know there's even some helicopters flying and some things like that. The presence alone, Conrad, for the majority of people would be enough.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
And keep in mind, there's a lot of other armed individuals, you know, police and so on that are there that, yeah, and so far, fortunately, you know, nobody has been shot other than with a rubber bullet, which is a good thing as well. And I will say this, I think a lot of those, you know, ICE agents and so on are very controlled because the guy that was throwing rocks at the Tahoe's driving by, let's just say that me and that guy, that wouldn't have ended the same way if I'd have been one of those guys.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly right, brother. Exactly right. I'm with you all the way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Those guys have way more patience than I have. Let's just say that.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's what I was saying, too. You and I will try to avoid those kind of places.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm not the person to be at those rallies. Let's just say it that way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Me, too, buddy. God bless you. You too, Conrad. Appreciate you.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, appreciate you very much. And yeah, and folks, some of you are more equipped than others, although I will just tell you that unless you've got the ability to do what, you know, Charlie was even saying to where you can, you know, you've got a podcast or you've got the ability to be super nice and record some things and not be a target and not get into a fight and so on, and you don't feel like you're, you know, you would be in any kind of a danger by going there, then, you know, be my guest. Although I will tell you this. I was watching a video today out of L.A. where a Hispanic lady with kids in the car evidently made the wrong turn, ended up in the wrong place, and literally was grabbed from her car. And I don't know whatever ended up happening to the kids. The video's not that long. But she ends up getting swept away by the crowd, basically, told to F off after she said that there were kids in the car. And I'm thinking, what a bunch of animals. Literally, what a bunch of animals. And that's why I'm talking about, you know, for you guys that are on the left, this isn't looking well for you. That video that I watched today, that's not a good look for you. This is a Hispanic woman that made a wrong turn, that ended up in the midst of this particular protest in L.A., that tells them all that, and this is daylight. This is not nighttime, by the way. This is daylight. And she tells them, I've got kids in the car, and they basically tell her to F off and hustle her out of there. I don't know what happened to the kids. I mean, that's not a good look for you guys that are on the left. You're being really stupid. And the people that you guys are employing to do this, and yes, you are employing them, you're doing this completely wrong. It's dumb. It's dumb. You're not helping yourself. And I don't know why I'm telling you anything, because I should just be happy that you're doing this. But the problem is, you know, innocent people are now getting hurt. And that's not the way things should work either. So it needs to stop. Your side is creating something that doesn't need to be happening at all. You're completely wrong in what you're saying. You know you're completely wrong. You're hiring people that know this is completely wrong to then protest something that you know is wrong. Go figure. You all know it's wrong, but you're doing it anyways. And then you get innocent bystanders involved that frankly have no clue why they're even there. They're just there because they want to be in a protest. And they don't like Trump or they don't like this or they don't like that. They're as much of a knucklehead as you are. And again, I shouldn't be complaining because it bodes well for us on the conservative side because all you're doing is making one big commercial for us that we don't have to go pay for. All we do is take clips out of what you guys are doing. It's easy. You're literally doing our job for us. Thank you. Really, I should be thanking all of you that are on the left for doing what you're doing. Thank you because you're making it easy for us. You're telling people that have sanity, come over to the Republican side. They're sane. Don't go to the left. They're insane. Literally, that's what you guys on the left are doing. I hope you understand that. You're literally driving people from your party to ours. And as I should repeat, it's true in Colorado. It's true in a lot of other states. There's not enough Democrats to win an election. There's not enough Republicans to win an election. It takes one or the other and the middle joining forces with that other party, either party, to actually win an election. By the way, that's something that most people on the far right of Colorado don't understand. You've got to have people in the middle. You can't win it without them. There's not enough Republicans to win an election. There's also not enough Democrats to win an election, especially here in Colorado. You need the middle on your side to actually win, something our side needs to understand and do a better job of. Fleshlock coming up next. And again, all of this talk about... Different things happening in regards to arrests and criminal behavior and so on. And you may find that you need Kevin Flesch on your side, not because you're a criminal, but because something's happened. There's been an accident. The other party's not doing what it should. You find yourself in a predicament where you just need legal help. That's what Kevin is there for. 303-806-8886.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we're going to talk to Scott Garlis here in about 10 minutes or so. But before that, and we'll get into this with Scott a little bit, there was news out this morning. I woke up to it, actually, that China and the U.S. have reached an official trade agreement. All that's left is for Trump and Xi to sign it. I never can figure out how. the Chinese do things but X, Y, Z. So anyways, that's all we're waiting for those two to kind of put the final touches on it, I guess you could say. But they have reached a consensus, a representative from both sides. This was all over the news this morning. And going back to what I was talking about a few minutes ago, another reason why, A, we're not going to see inflation like the Fed and others have predicted. B, while you're going to see the cost of things still continue to go down, not go up. and why we as a country are going to continue to win under the leadership of Donald Trump, meaning that we're going to continue to collect more people on our side of the aisle than what the left is doing with their shenanigans right now. And I speak to the left a lot because I know there's a lot of you that listen. Some of you will chime in and tell me that you do, but I know there's a lot that do that don't tell me that you do, but I know you're listening anyways, and the reality is you're losing. And these riots and the things that are happening and the No Kings Day coming up, again, somebody in your party should tell these knuckleheads you're not helping. John Fetterman did. He is somebody in your party that is saying that. Problem is there's not enough of him. And I'm telling you guys on the left, you are screwing up royally. Thank you, by the way. I'm glad you are helping our side out immensely because you're screwing up royally. You're not helping yourselves because this trade agreement, again, is another feather in Donald Trump's cap when it's all said and done. And despite those globalists out there that say that, you know, we don't need any of this. It was fine the way it was before. No, it wasn't. We were getting royally screwed. It wasn't fine. And China's not the only one we were getting royally screwed over by. There were other countries as well, Canada being one of them. But that's ending. We're getting much better deals. And the trade imbalance, no, I realize, well, we will have a deficit as a country forever because we buy more than any other country. I'm fully aware of that. And before any of you send me a message along those lines, I get that. But could we do a better job of balancing things out and not having it cost us as exporters as much as it has been, making the playing field a lot more fair than what it's been, and at the end of the day, giving a better playing field for those that may want to go ahead and do some of their manufacturing and some of the things that we do overseas back here? Yes, we can, by the way. All of that can be done. And we're going to. And it's happening as we speak. Again, another way that our side is winning and the left side is not. And I hate to keep coming back to the immigration thing and the left and the anti-ICE and all of that. But I was watching a clip this morning. My wife sent it to me where it's of Obama. I think it was back in 07 or 08 where he's literally talking about immigration. And the fact that, you know, we're going to enforce the laws and every president before Republican and Democrat have enforced the laws and immigration. If you come to this country illegally, you know, you're going to be stopped and this, that and the other. He goes to the whole spiel. Sounds like Donald Trump. Actually worse than Donald Trump as far as what he was saying. And that was Obama. And now we have an entire party of the left talking about how bad it is to be doing what Donald Trump is doing by closing the border and deporting those that have come here illegally, especially those that have come here that are known criminals. And we've got the left defending these people. Like I continue to talk to you guys on the left. How stupid can you be? How stupid can you be? You're your own worst enemy. Thankfully. Thankfully, you're your own worst enemy. You're not helping your side out at all. You're making it worse, which I'm glad for. The other thing that's happening right now is your side is finally, truly showing its real colors. You believe in lawlessness. You're fine with that. You don't care that, you know, the protesters run rip shot over a city and tear it all up and spray graffiti everywhere and light cars on fire and destroy personal property and and and you don't care. You don't care about that at the end of the day, showing that you don't care about people. Like I've said for a long over a decade now, I've been saying the left doesn't care about people. And you guys just continue to prove it over and over and over again. The very riots right now that you guys are all supporting proves my point. You don't care. It's actually opposite. You hate others. You don't care for others. You hate us. You'll come out, though, and say, oh, you know, our party, you know, we're all for the little guy and we're all for this and, you know, we're all for that and blah, blah, blah. No, you're not. You hate people. Because if you truly were really caring about other people, you wouldn't be doing what you're doing right now. You wouldn't be burning down cities. You wouldn't be rioting and protesting the way that you are, especially against things that are illegal. You're rioting against illegal activity. Go figure. Go figure. I mean, again, like I said, you're showing your true colors, but how dumb. And at the end of the day, you're costing others money. whether it's a company like Waymo that's had five or six cars destroyed in L.A. They're not even going to run services right now because of that, to police cars that are being smashed and burned, to ice vehicles that had their windows put out by a guy throwing rocks, which, by the way, costs all of us money because who do you think pays for those new windshields? We as taxpayers do, knuckleheads. So once again, you don't care about people. You actually dislike and hate others. That's your nature. Because it's good versus evil, folks. Let's not forget, really, what all of this boils down to. With what's going on with the riots, what's going on with the No Kings Day and so on, this literally is the battle of good versus evil. And I'm not saying our side is totally good all the time. We have our share of, you know, our fair share of flaws and mistakes and so on. But in general, this is literally good versus evil. We have one side of the aisle that literally hates others, the left, will do anything they possibly can to destroy each other and the country at the same time, versus the other side where, yeah, we genuinely do care about others, despite what the left says. We do care about others. We care about personal growth and being able to stand on your own two feet and not just giving people handouts. We want to see people achieve their goals and do great things. That's what our party consists of. We want to see people get ahead in life. We truly do love people, or we wouldn't be for that. We want law and order, which, by the way, helps one another. 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SPEAKER 08 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Scott Garlis joining us now. Scott, how are you, sir? Hey, John, I'm well. How are you? I'm good. Before we get going, because I always forget this until the end, let folks know how they can get a hold of you as we're listening.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, sure. They can check me out on Twitter, LinkedIn, or Substack. Just look for C. Scott Garlis.
SPEAKER 08 :
Awesome. All right. Talk to us about – I mean, we've got a lot to cover today, but let's get started. Inflation data, I mean, we continue to see that. I talked about that even a little bit earlier. There's a trade deal on the books. We've got to get things finalized between China and the U.S., but the reality is even with some of the tariff stuff that's gone on, Scott – Because of energy and some other things you and I have talked about, we're just not seeing prices increase like some had predicted they would.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. So, you know, in April, the CPI, the Consumer Price Index, that's one gauge of inflation. That's one that came out today. Today's number was for May. But last month, the April numbers came out. They dropped to 2.3%. That was the lowest level since, I want to say, February or March of 21, right when inflation started taking off. And so, you know, going into the numbers, everybody's like, oh, my God, the April tariffs, you wait, inflation's going to be bad. Well, it dropped, and they were surprised by this. And so the story was, well, wait until we get the May numbers. The May numbers are going to be really bad because prices are going up. And they weren't. They were 2.4%. Wow. They went up a smidge, but they were right in line with where they were in March. And Wall Street was looking for them to go higher. So they were better than expected. It basically flat over the last few months. So the story about runaway prices right now just isn't panning out.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, in fact, anybody that's out, and this is what cracks me up about Wall Street, I guess, is anybody that shops and does anything and buys gas and buys groceries and so on, Scott, can give a testimony to what we're talking about. The reality is prices on most things, yeah, I get it, cars and some big-ticket items, yes, there's been some increases there, but the things that people are buying on a daily basis have actually come down, not gone up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. And so if we look at something like The S&P 500, we're within like 2% of the all-time highs. Wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. So, you know, Wall Street is looking at everything going on. You know, and then there's what's going on in the Senate right now with the spending package.
SPEAKER 08 :
The bill, right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, the big, beautiful bill. And they're kind of looking at that, too. And they're saying, well, you know, right now the CBO has come back with estimates that, the deficit-forming numbers are far less than, I think the other day when they came out, they were like $2.5 trillion.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
It came out after we had talked last week, and then the original estimate when Trump was running for office was $4.5 trillion. So actually, I think that number last week was $2.3 trillion. So it's $2.2 trillion less than the original estimate. So All of these scary items are starting to pan out to be not so scary. And then if we want to take that the next step into what you had mentioned prior to our conversation starting with trade, you know, the trade situation after the scary proposition on April 2nd isn't panning out to be – The scary scenario that all these people said it was going to be.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And I've had this conversation with others in the financial world, and some are very scared, and they're worried about runaway inflation and the trade war and this, that, and the other. And I just keep coming back saying, okay, guys, wait. First of all, time out. You have to look at what's really going on in these particular areas and the goods that we're actually buying. And, yes, I get it. If things really go awry and there's 125 percent tariffs on China, yeah, that could be bad at the end of the day. But, Scott, that's not what's going to happen. We already saw that news first thing this morning. I woke up to that. the deal that's being made, and most likely will get inked. I highly doubt that it won't because, as I've been saying and you've been saying for quite some time, and I'll stand on this until I go to the grave, every other country, China included, needs us more than we need them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and so one of the things, too, like Trump said today, it's about 55% tariffs on China. That includes the 25% from his first term tariffs. Plus the 30% they talked to after this deal, they struck in Geneva and then they restruck in London. Yeah, these countries, China's at the negotiating table with the U.S. because they need the U.S.
SPEAKER 08 :
They have to be.
SPEAKER 03 :
China has a serious deflation problem right now.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
They have a serious unemployment problem. Their shipments to the U.S. have plummeted over the last couple months.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and what I've been telling others, Scott, and I think you understand this is – and I'm sorry to say this, but this is where a lot of the folks, the skeptics when it comes to terrorists and stuff have just got it completely wrong. What's happened in America is people have realized that, you know – Okay, that crappy little gadget that I used to buy, yeah, I used to run down to wherever, the dollar store or Walmart or whatever. You know, the reality is it's not something I absolutely have to have right now. I can delay buying that or I can even supplement that with, you know, substitute that with something else, maybe even this made locally. And at the end of the day, if I don't need it, I just don't need it and I'll move on without it. And that's literally what's happened. And that's why I say China needs us more than them. Yeah, I get it. There's some rare earth metals and some things that we get from them that we have to have. But Scott...
SPEAKER 03 :
outside of but a handful of items we don't need them uh man for a personal example of stuff like that for my family it maybe it's not necessarily china but like the whole egg thing we're like we really don't our life isn't going to fall apart if we don't eat eggs correct egg prices are crazy correct on top of that we buy eggs so rarely it just it's like that that extra bit of money it It's not the end of the world.
SPEAKER 08 :
From their $5 a dozen or $10 a dozen, at the end of the day, for most families, this is where it gets crazy because people go out and hoard them and so on. It's like, wait a minute, time out. If you really look at how many you actually are using, and I get it, some families use more than others, but to your point, Scott, a dozen eggs, even if they're double in price, it's not going to be the end of the world for most people. And if that's the case, then don't eat them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and Michelle and I talked about this, and we're like, we buy eggs so rarely. It's just... I mean, I don't know anybody that eats eggs every day.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you do now because I'm kind of one of those guys. But now I will say that when they went up, I didn't eat as many, not because they were too high priced. Honestly, for us, it was just so far. We weren't going to run from store to store to store to store to buy them. I figured out other things to substitute to have for breakfast, not a big deal. But, yeah, I'm kind of one of those guys that has two eggs a day, Scott. OK, that's fair. Not too many of us out there, I know, but I'm just one of those guys. And I guess maybe because of my old school nature and being old and whatever. But I'm unique. I'm with you. Not very many people do what I do. And by the way, what I'd like to see numbers on, not to get off on a rabbit trail here, but I'd like to see numbers, Scott, on how many eggs were hoarded. that people sat on that they eventually had to throw away because they had more than they could even consume. That's the number I'd like to see, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, and I'm sure you'd be disgusted when you saw that number.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm sure I would be because I'm sure there were a lot more that got tossed than, frankly, probably were used because anytime something gets a scarcity, people run out and buy more. Now, where there's an exception to that is this whole China thing and some of the stuff that you might run down and buy. at Walmart, you know, that toy that, by the way, your kid doesn't absolutely have to have or that stuffed animal that, again, your kid doesn't absolutely have to have or that other Chinese made whatever it happens to be. People have just figured out a way to work around that and or not buy it at all or buy something American made.
SPEAKER 03 :
Completely. And, you know, to that end, too, I mean, I've been reading stuff about how these Chinese manufacturers, and they were willing to pick up all the tariff costs because they're so desperate to sell stuff.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because if not, Scott, their factories run empty. They're not really – because again, and this is a thing that I think Donald Trump has finally – using our clout and why we haven't done this in the past. And I've yet to get a good answer other than you and I talking because most other financial guys don't even look at it this way. But we're the world's largest customer. And I can tell you right now, Scott, that when my largest customers come to me, I pay attention. I do it. You can't always do what they ask, but you do as much as you possibly can to find a happy medium because you want to keep your largest customer happy. That's the way trade works. Unless you're the United States of America, then we just let everybody trample all over us.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. My father-in-law, he had an auto body shop for years. One of the things he did was he took an anchor tenant that was like a Geico. He said there wasn't a lot of margin in their business, but it kept me busy. That's right. It kept my guys busy. That's right. When that other business would come in the door, there was higher margin, they would jump all over that and get that done. They'd be putting money in their pockets. To your point, yeah, the large customers, you want to do that volume. You want to keep the lights on. You want to pay the bills. And that's right. And you want to keep that large customer happy.
SPEAKER 08 :
And as one thing as a country, until now, we have not leveraged very well. I'm not – well, I do know why, Scott, because we have so many globalists out there and so many people that, frankly, I feel at the end of the day don't care whether America is successful or not. That's a whole other conversation. But we now have – You know, we have a White House right now that does care, that wants to make it a level playing field, that wants us to have a good chance of exporting goods, that wants to incentivize people, you know, manufacturers to bring things back to the United States of America. And you're not going to bring – I get it. I'm not naive enough, Scott, to think that everything's going to come back here. You're not going to get a huge Foxconn Apple plant in America. I understand that. Those things are probably not going to happen. But if we can shift things around to where we're not so reliant on one country and we can even spread that around, is that not to our benefit as a country?
SPEAKER 03 :
It is, and it's to the benefit of our allies, too.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Yeah, and I shouldn't have to remind people of this, Scott, and I don't think I need to with my listeners, but China's not our ally.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, they're not. China's out for China, and that's right. And so, look, China's going to do what's in their best interest, too, and I get that, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's the same thing we're doing, but to your point, you've got to play the cards you have. Because if you don't, you're going to lose.
SPEAKER 08 :
And by the way, Scott, I appreciate you saying that. We have close to 28 trillion cards annually we get to play with, far more than anyone else, and it's high time we started using them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I want to say it's around 27. That might be.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think our GDPs, we're just shy of 28, if I'm not mistaken.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, yeah, global GDP. No, R, that U.S. GDP, USA GDP. I think we're just shy, 27.72 trillion, just shy of 28.
SPEAKER 08 :
That was in 2023.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah. OK. I was going to say percentage wise. I want to say we're like 25 percent, 27 percent. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
If you look at the globe. Yeah. Yeah. You're you're no you're on the right track there. The next closest is China at close to 18. And there's this flat line, by the way. There's this ours is continuing to go up. There's this flat line. So, yeah, if you take you take us and then we're about 50 percent.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, exactly. But look at that gap, you know, for people that don't understand this. Yeah, I mean, like, do I want to deal with the guy that's 27% of global demand or the guy that's 17? You're going to go to the guy that's 27 a lot faster. Back to your point about running a business, this administration takes a bit of a different approach than a lot of others have, where it is trying to run the country more like a business. Now, you know, the flip side of that is, Would we like to see more of a sort of a deficit hawk? Sure, we would, but it might take some time to get there. And the flip side of that conversation, too, though, is one way to get out of debt is to inflate your way out of debt. And what people don't understand about that is by spending and getting the economy booming, and then if you can get rates down, you can start to take out some of the higher debt you have, refinance it with lower debt, and you can work that out. interest payment bill down, and by having your economy boom and bringing things back here like big tech jobs, big manufacturing related to tech, that can work in your favor that you can get enough receipts starting to come back in as the federal government that you can start to wipe a lot of that debt out.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and thank you for saying that because you are 1,000% correct, and that's where our next conversation, which I always bring the Fed up because they just frustrate the living daylights out of me. It's become nothing but a huge ego contest between Trump and Powell, and Powell needs to lower his ego and figure out, hey, if I'm going to really get things back on track and go down in history as a guy that actually helped make this happen, he's got to get something going fairly quickly or it's not going to happen, Scott. He's the only thing right now holding up huge, explosive growth in the United States of America.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, look at that. So I went through the housing numbers after we last spoke, the most recent data through April. And, you know, the housing market is really starting to suffer. New home inventory is up to 8.1 months. So that's how long it would take to sell out of all the new home inventory if you didn't build another house right now. Right. But basically, that's above the typical average is five to six months. And now you have existing homes, they usually run around four to five months. They're in a four and a half month range. So that's in normal, but it was down to like two and a half a couple years ago. So it's really rebounding. Existing home sales, they're at the lowest we've seen in a long time. So If they don't do something rate-wise, the housing market is really going to start... Yeah, you're killing it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Literally, you're killing it. And I've got to believe that the Fed can look at the same numbers you and I are looking at and understand that. The question is, again, when will... Powell, he's a guy who really has to pull the trigger, pull the lever when it's all said and done. When will he feel that it's bad enough that he actually lowers rate a quarter to a half a point?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you know, Bessing came out today and said... They plan to extend or he's pushing for them to extend the tariff pause another 90 days for all the countries they're still negotiating with. So that would put us into October. I mean, so if we're not seeing inflation show up yet and they extend another 90 days, I don't think we're going to see inflation pick up, really show up by October either.
SPEAKER 08 :
Meaning – because here's the real question is, will Powell do something this month or next, or is he going to wait until fall?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, I think he has to do something in July. There's a chance he could wait until the fall, though. It just – But the thing is, like, we've talked about this before. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. You've got – you're just – you're not seeing this bad data materialize.
SPEAKER 08 :
And the other thing I think you've got to look at if you're the Fed is you've got this – and I get it. If they lower rates even by a quarter point, it's not going to do a ton to mortgage rates overnight. But that – Consumer confidence does, in fact, change, and it will change the housing market, Scott, based upon that alone. And you've got the rest of the summer selling season. I'm one that says if he was really smart, he'd lower this month. He's not. I'm sorry to say he's not. I think he's already missed his mark, so he's going to miss this one as well. But man alive, if he waits until July, he's just delaying things one more month, and he shouldn't be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, then the flip side of that, this would be a disaster scenario. But the disaster scenario that could come out of that is like, if you created deflationary cycle in house prices, so the year-over-year house price in April dropped to only a 1.8% gain, that's more along typical lines. But that's the lowest we've seen in a while. And again, that's a big inflation component. And to me, it leans into like, why aren't you doing anything? But Let's say he creates a deflationary cycle in the housing market, and prices start to go the other way, and they go negative. And then people start dumping houses on that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that's a really bad scenario. I mean, you've got to believe that he and others around the Fed table are having these same conversations. Scott, they have to be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, my hope is – so Trump is saying he's going to announce something soon about – who his next replacement will be for Powell. He's going to announce a couple of his candidates. So, Powell's out next May. Maybe what you wind up with is he does announce these candidates, and they start talking about where they would set rates if they were in charge right now, and maybe the market starts to go more along with that sort of forward-looking guidance. Maybe you start to see borrowing costs come down in some of the banks, and maybe you start to see yields on Treasury start coming down in advance.
SPEAKER 08 :
Is some of what Bessent is doing right now at Treasury helping some of that at all? I mean, I haven't seen rates really change much, but what he's doing doesn't have the overnight success that the Fed does.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, definitely not. I mean, what he's doing is keeping things stable. I mean, that puts confidence in people buying U.S. bonds. I think you're starting to see more buyers come back in U.S. bonds, and you can see that because yields are gradually coming back down again. So that's a super important step in the process. But Powell needs to take it the next part of the way and start to cut rates more. And that's really going to help.
SPEAKER 08 :
And by the way, I cannot disagree with you at all. And I'm like you. I just don't see much changing in the way of the economy getting worse. If anything, if things don't pick up, you're going to see the job market not get any better. Not that it's super bad right now, but it's not going to get – people aren't going to hire. Here's how this works for everybody listening. If you're a small business owner, if you can't see the Fed moving forward and changing things when it comes to your borrowing costs, you're not going to move forward on certain things. You're not going to hire that next person. You're going to go ahead and wait. And all that has a negative effect upon the economy, Scott.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's correct. That is very correct. Because why do you want to borrow money at a high rate of interest to hang on to a guy when you're just like, you know what? I'll just let him go and hire him back down the road.
SPEAKER 08 :
You won't. You're just, you know, to your point, you're just not going to do it. All right. One more time. How do folks find you?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, sure. Twitter, LinkedIn, or Substack, C. Scott Garlis.
SPEAKER 08 :
Always a joy, Scott. I appreciate you very much and all your wisdom. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER 03 :
John, thanks so much for your time.
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All right, about a minute and a half left of today's program. Appreciate you all listening, by the way, from Health and Wellness at the 3 o'clock hour, which we do not replay. We play the National Crawford Roundtable on Wednesday night. So if you missed anything during the Health and Wellness hour, you can always go to the website, RushToReason.com, and find it there. And we talk about a lot of interesting and really fun stuff during that hour. And I would encourage you, if you didn't get a chance to listen to it, go back and listen in. We always have a great time. So lastly, I was going to mention earlier, and I briefly said that the town of Parker, they were because they've got a big festival going on on saturday they were basically telling the no king's day people that hey you can't hold a rally here we don't have enough staffing with police and fire and so on to be able to yeah it's parker days that day and they have enough other things going on in town that they just didn't have the ability to staff that well They got notice. Originally, the No Kings Day said, OK, that's fine. Well, then they got notice, I believe, yesterday. They said, you know, we're still going to hold it. We're going to be at a private, you know, gathering, private property, whatever. And we're still going to hold this thing. And now the town of Parker is, I'm guessing, trying to figure out, OK, how do they handle both things? And this just shows you, by the way, I said earlier, does the left care about people? No, they don't. You've got Parker Days going on. It's a great day to celebrate, have fun, enjoy yourself, all of that. Father's Day is the day after. And then these knuckleheads are going to have a protest, a no-Kings Day protest, which, by the way, has got to be the dumbest title I've ever heard for a protest in the first place because of the things Donald Trump does. He is about as far from being a king as any president we've ever had would be. But these are just what knuckleheads do. So I'll be back tomorrow. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Thank you.
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I look forward to seeing you on Saturday. From the American Center of Law and Justice, I haven't talked about them for a while, but boy, they're busy, all the time busy. We had a huge victory, even as we await the Supreme Court's decision on a major case impacting rogue judges. And that's been a real thorn in the flesh of the Trump administration. I mean, these federal judges, they are just regional, but they think they've got the authority to pass laws, which they don't really. And so American Center for Law and Justice has been really working hard. A federal court just agreed with our amicus brief on one of President Trump's executive orders, a tremendous victory against the radical left's attacks on the conservative agenda. Rogue judges have issued more nationwide injunctions against President Trump than all other presidents combined. All right? This has been a real rush to... to defeat him. That's it. And to make this country run by socialism. And if you don't think that you've had a good time before, you just wait. If these people take over, they're going to be like a communist nation like Russia. So thank you for praying for our president and the administration and these wonderful people that are fighting for our freedom and fighting for the Constitution. The ACLJ goes on to say, thankfully, this court agreed with us and did not issue a nationwide injunction, but instead upheld the president's constitutional executive authority. The left's handpicked judges are causing and that's Obama and that is Biden. And these are judges that have been handpicked. And I know that Biden, now whether he used an auto pen, whether they were using an auto pen, or I don't know what they were using, but 300, he appointed 300 judges throughout the United States. And that's what's giving them such a hard time, the Trump administration. The left's handpicked judges are causing a constitutional crisis, but we're fighting back to save our constitutional republic. We have already filed seven briefs in five federal courts. Now, there are courts all over our land, and can you imagine how many it would take? They have filed seven briefs against the outrageous lawsuits being leveled at President Trump. We also recently filed in one of the biggest Supreme Court cases in years representing the state of West Virginia. It could permanently shut down the malicious attacks on President Trump and the epidemic of judicial activist nationwide injunctions, blocking every action he takes. But we face a major challenge. A Supreme Court fight of this magnitude to defeat the radical left's lawsuits requires immense resources. Oh, God bless them. As we fight at Supreme Court, we urgently need your tax-deductible support today. And this is probably one of the most important issues you could give to right now. American Center for Law and Justice. And you go to ACLJ.org. And you donate today. You donate. I don't... You know, if it's a dollar, if it's five dollars, when you get a thousand people together, that really begins to amount to something. And then sign the new petition, defend President Trump at SCOTUS. And that's the Supreme Court. And thank you so much, Jay and Jordan Sekulow. from the ACLJ. We continue to pray for you. On Monday, I told you that I was not going to get involved in any sides when it came to President Trump and Elon Musk. And I think that the media does such damage. They blow up things. I know Rachel and I were just talking about, they're talking about riots. Well, there was a riot in LA and possibly in New York City. But the rest of this stuff going on in Denver and the area in Chicago, these are demonstrations. And I don't see any cars burning here in Denver and Aurora, but I do see demonstrations downtown. And Rachel was saying they're also in Aurora. So whatever, I think the media just loves to blow it out of proportions. And that's been part of the problem all along, just blowing everything up into a place where people get agitated. So, you know, I like both President Trump and Elon Musk. I think they're doing such a great, great job. I mean, Elon being the richest man and President Trump being the most powerful man. I compared their relationship to many that I've had over the years. Some relationships wound up in true respect and commitment. I've had relationships that I've had for over 20 years, and I just love those relationships. Other relationships just have coasted along and some have disappeared. It does not mean that there was anything negative about those friendships that came to naught. N-A-U-G-H-T. It's an old English word I use here. And as my German grandmother would say, nicht. It means nothing. Some of these have been just, you know, fly by night relationships or acquaintances that we've had not seen him again. It simply means that the seasons of some of those relationships were very short, while relationships that have lasted for were more those who God wanted me to learn from. And I have friends close by me who love the Lord Jesus. They're growing up in the word of God. They're memorizing the word of God. Oh, I love to talk to them. Because I get the word when I text them or when I talk to them, I get the word. And I love that. I'm so grateful for everyone that came alongside, even those that didn't last as long as I would have wished. I believe that our prayers have resulted in two powerful men getting along and respecting each other. And that's all I'm concerned about right now. There's real healing in God's actions as we pray. God goes to action. You know, it's time to act, Lord. Well, he does when we pray in that direction. I'm going to be talking more about that. Memory verse for this week is 3 John 2. A blessing. What a blessing. Beloved, I pray that in all respects you may prosper and be in good health. That's my prayer for you. just as your soul prospers. For I was very glad when brethren came and testified to your truth. That is how you are walking in truth. I hope you are not going on Instagram and Facebook and just believing everything that comes on there. I hope you're looking into and investigating and researching and seeing that something is true before you blab it all over. That's so important that we're walking in truth. And in the New Living Translation, 3 John 2 says, Dear friend, I hope all is well with you and that you are as healthy in body as you are strong in spirit. Some of the traveling teachers recently returned and made me very happy by telling me about your faithfulness and that you are living according to the truth. I could have no greater joy than to hear that my children are following the truth. And John, precious John, they... They left him on the Isle of Patmos thinking, well, that's going to be the end of John because he had written these beautiful books. He was a wonderful, wonderful friend and leader in the Christian church in those days. I heard from David Jeremiah that they actually tried to boil him alive in oil. I haven't researched that yet, but my goodness, it's just amazing. So they throw him off on this island. And what happens? God reveals the most wonderful revelation, the revelation of revelation that is soon going to come on all of us. And it's the end of history. It's the end of the ages. And here is John deserted on an island and gone. God reveals his majesty and his power in all its might. Oh, this is wonderful. That's how God, you can't cancel out God. You can't. There's no way. I know people have tried it for centuries and centuries. Well, we're going to get rid of him. No, never, never. He's forever and ever. Aren't you thankful? I so enjoyed Kimberly's teaching yesterday, and I believe we, as the body of Christ Jesus, should talk more and more about what God means to us. And as she said on the air, he's a wonderful God, a God full of wonder. And I would like to stay in that attitude all the time. There are times when the atmosphere and conditions merit another look at how we should pray about the situation. You know, take the L.A. demonstrations and, okay, riots right now. They've burned cars. They've looted buildings. And I'm so glad the National Guard and the Marines are there. Last night I tuned in just a little bit and they were on horseback. I love to see that horseback going through the streets of L.A. And some of you may say, well, that doesn't affect me. Then you haven't been downtown Denver and seen the demonstrations there. It would be coming at a street where you live. It will be if you don't do anything about it in prayer and in specific requests to God. Is that scary to you? The word is full of scripture that covers the enemy that someday will surround Israel. That's ground zero on this earth. That's God's ground zero. Then what do we do? Well, I personally believe that we will no longer be here. If you read 2 Thessalonians 2, you will see why I believe that we will be taken up before God's wrath will be poured out on the wicked. And those days, those seven years, are God's wrath. Boy, we ain't seen nothing yet. We have not. And Isaiah said it so succinctly in Isaiah 59, verse 19. And it comes out really well in the Passion and also the Amplified. When the enemy comes in like a flood. Sometimes it seems like a flood of like, if you watch the news, protesters, I mean, throwing rocks, actually breaking up the concrete and throwing the concrete at the cops and at the policemen. I mean, the enemy is just awful. Awful, awful, awful, horrible. When the enemy comes in like a flood, what? What happens? The Lord lifts up a standard against him. Who will lift up a standard against the enemy? Not you, not me. The Lord. The passion says that when the enemy comes in like a flood, the breath of Yahweh will put him to flight. Okay. Praise God. That scripture reminds me of James 4, 7. Submit to God, resist the devil, and all his distractions that will try to dismay you will try to get you all upset, and he will flee. When you just submit to God, Father God, I, as an act of my will, will concentrate on your word of love. Your word of refuge that you are my refuge and strength. I will not listen to the enemy and he'll flee. God wants you to be so attuned to his heart and a brief moment of temptation or distraction will not make you fearful or intimidated by his threats and fiery darts. That's right. God is greater than our hearts, and he will protect us from those harmful gamma rays of the enemy. And he thinks he's got it won. Oh, he does not have the war won. In heavenly armor, we enter the land, the promised land. The battle belongs to the Lord. We've got to remember that. He raised up a banner, the power of his word. The battle belongs to God. He defeated Satan at every turn. when the enemy was trying to destroy Jesus. For centuries, the Lord found a way to thwart the enemy's tactics, to get rid of the Messiah, because he couldn't, because greater is he who is in us than he who is in the world. That's 1 John 4, 4. Say that often. Say that often when you're down or when you feel threatened. Greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world. In Hebrews 1, 1 through 4, and I love the New American Standard here, It talks about Jesus and how his radiance just fills and floods the earth. God, after he spoke long ago to the fathers and the prophets in many portions and in many ways, this is Hebrews 1, in these last days has spoken to us in his son. whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the world. Jesus was there at the very beginning, folks, and he is the radiance of his glory. Jesus radiates God's glory all over. Oh, I hope that you see part of that today. Oh, some of you are just standing right in the middle of his radiation, of his radiance. He's the exact representation of his nature and upholds all things by the word of his power. His power is word filled. And so when you speak the word, it's going to be effective in every area of your life. I pray that you will become conscious of the word that you are reading and begin to memorize. Get that word down in your heart. When he had made purification of sins, he sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high, having become as much better than the angels as he has inherited a more excellent name than they. That's what we've got on our side. The Lord God, strong and mighty. It is the Lord's joy and delight to include us in his life. Oh, and as Kimberly said, awaken us to your wonder. His joy is a supernatural and powerful substance that increases as we keep our mind and affections on things above. Colossians 3 verse 2 says, set your mind on things above and not on things in this earth. You know why? Because the things on this earth are temporary. I mean, you might be really concerned and worried about something today and it's gone tomorrow. That's what happens. It's like my weeds that I whack. They're here today. They're gone tomorrow. And they come back up, yeah, but then they're gone again. We've talked at length about this joy in the past, so I won't go into much detail here. But Nehemiah 8.10 says this very thing that we need more of God. And as Kimberly says, eat of the fat, drink of the sweet, and send and share portions to those... And do not grieve for this day is holy to our Lord for the joy of the Lord is your strength. So eat the fat, drink the sweet and share with others. Do not grieve. Do not grieve, folks, for the joy of the Lord is your strength. Praise God. Isaiah 1027 says the anointing removes the burdens and breaks the yoke of bondage. As we rest in his divine provision and sovereignty, we will give him all the glory and honor for what he's doing in our land and all over the world in preparing for the return of Jesus. And that's what this is all about, to fulfill scripture and prepare for Jesus' second coming. We might as well start practicing resting in him now, resting in him while he goes to battle and fights for us. Have you noticed in the spite of our very best efforts and striving to make the best decisions in this life, there's never any guarantee that life will work out smoothly. Oh, so you give it to the Lord. You cast all your care on him because he cares for you. And remember that the battle belongs to the Lord.
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The battle belongs to the Lord When mankind's passion against us will stand The battle belongs to the Lord We sing glory, honor, power, and strength to our Lord. We sing glory, honor, power and strength to the Lord. We sing glory, honor, power and strength to the Lord. When the power of darkness comes in like a flood, The battle belongs to the Lord. His grace on the standard, the power of His blood. We sing glory, honor, power and strength to the Lord. Enemy quest is in part to not fear The battle belongs to the Lord Take courage, my friend, your redemption is near
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Okay, now I'd like to sing that verse one more time because there's lots of times when we feel like the enemy presses in real hard. Everybody goes through it. We have to have courage that the Lord is fighting the battle for us. He'll pull us out of the darkness if we just trust in Him. So let's sing that verse once more.
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When your enemy presses in hard to not hear, belongs to the Lord. Encourage, my friend, your redemption is near. The battle belongs to the Lord. We sing glory, honor, power and strength to the Lord.
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We sing glory, honor, Glory. Hallelujah. The paddle belongs to the Lord The paddle belongs to the Lord The paddle belongs to the Lord
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Oh, praise God. There are some songs you just wish they could go on and on and on and on. Oh, take courage, my friend. Your redemption is near. Oh, the battle belongs to the Lord. Power and strength to the Lord. Revelation 5 tells us, Then I looked, and this is John, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders, and the number of them was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands. saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb, be blessing and honor. Oh, worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing. Oh, we're just in a temporal world, my friend. So don't get worried. Don't get oppressed. Don't get discouraged. Don't get depressed. It's just not worth it letting your anxiety take over in your life. Oh, look to God. The battle belongs to the Lord. And every created thing which is in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea and all things in them. I heard saying to him who sits on the throne and to the lamb, be blessings and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever. And the four living creatures kept saying, Amen, Amen. And the elders fell down and worshiped. That's the end of chapter 5 of Revelation. And then it goes into opening the books of the seal. But remember, don't overlook that God is in command of all this. We get into such prophetic stuff that we neglect to think that God is ruler over all of this. Our creator, God, is the one that says it is finished. And when he says it is finished, Jesus will come. Read chapter 19 of Revelation. It's marvelous. It's wonderful. It will get you so energized, full of joy. Oh, so eat the fat, drink the sweet, share with others. Do not grieve, my friend. For the joy of the Lord is your strength. God bless you and keep you. And tomorrow, Darren and I will be on the radio. Oh, thank you so much for listening. And may God, the God of peace, be with you. Take joy.
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Dive into an enlightening discussion led by Rick Hughes as we explore the intricate role of prayer in times of crisis. In this episode, we discuss the common misconceptions around prayer as a problem-solving tool and the essential conditions under which prayers can become truly effective. Alongside biblical references and teachings, Rick unfolds the profound power of prayer, not as a quick fix, but as a conduit to divine support and understanding.
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welcome to the flatline with your host rick hughes for the next 30 minutes you'll be inspired motivated educated but never manipulated now your host rick hughes good morning and welcome to the flatline i'm your host rick hughes and for the next few minutes please stick around it's going to be a very critical time for you to listen to these information that i'm going to bring you today
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My job is always to give you accurate information, not some kind of useless speculation. And you have the opportunity to orient and adjust to the information that I give you. So remember, this is always about good information, changing the way you think, learning the mind of Christ, beginning to think in divine viewpoint. That's why God gave you two ends, one of them you can sit with, one of them you can think with. And success in your life and in my life will depend on which one of those ends we use. So Let's learn to think and think accurately. And today, in regards to that, we want to talk about prayer in a crisis. Prayer in a crisis. That's the way we want to put it. And around the world, there's no doubt you're aware of this. I'm aware of this. I'm recording this in early April, but it'll be playing later in the month. But you know as well as I do that we're in a crisis, the COVID-19 crisis. healthcare restrictions, financial economic crisis, loss of jobs, loss of education, global supply network in chaos, readiness of all of our defense forces in the United States especially is unquestionable, and the way of life as we know it or as we have known it may in fact never return to the same. So in time of crises like this, many people will go to prayer and pray. What they don't realize is that many prayers never make it to the throne room of God. But before we talk about that, let's remember one key concept here, and that is that prayer is never a problem-solving device. The problem solving devices that we mentioned, rebound, the filling of the spirit, the faith thrust drill, grace orientation, doctrinal orientation, personal sense of destiny, personal love for God and personal love for all mankind, sharing the happiness of God and occupation with Christ. These are the 10 unique problem solving devices, not prayer. Prayer is never designed to solve problems. So prayer is only effective, only, I say only effective, if you are in fact a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. Someone that's not a Christian has no access to the prayer. If you're not a Christian, you're like a man stranded on an island by himself with no way to get off, and you face whatever storm is coming into your life. But as a Christian, We have prayer. We can go to our Heavenly Father and ask for His wisdom, for His guidance, for His support, for His strength in the time of the crises. But prayer doesn't solve the problem. Prayer gives us the means to solve the problem. Solving the problem is the doctrine in our soul. It keeps us from worrying, keeps us from being afraid. The doctrine in our soul, it shows us the opportunity that we have to share the word of God with those who need it and to give the gospel to those that have never heard it. So prayer is only effective if you are a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. And how does that happen? The Bible simply says, whosoever should call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. It's a free gift of God, for by grace are you saved through faith. It's a gift, a gift from God and not of works, lest anyone would brag about it. So if you're not a Christian, you can pray all you want to. You're not going to get past the ceiling. But if you'd like to become a Christian, you can pray one simple prayer. I'll give it to you a little later, but in the show we'll talk about it. But basically, it is, Lord, I believe that Jesus Christ is your anointed son and I'm willing to accept him as my savior. It's just a simple act of faith where the Bible says, whosoever should call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Don't look for any earth-moving, shaking events. When you pray, you simply pray and tell the Father you're a sinner. You want to accept Christ as your Savior, and it happens. And you won't hear a harp. You won't see an angel. But the grace of God will intervene, and you will be saved based on what the Bible says. This is a record that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has a son has life, and he who has not the Son of God has not life. Okay? Now... Another thing about prayer, excuse me, if you have a flat line on your soul, those 10 problem-solving devices, then you can have an effective prayer life because you have oriented and adjusted to the plan of God. So let's look at a couple of biblical verses and see what I'm talking about here, starting with 2 Chronicles 7, 14. I hear a lot of people talking about this verse today. It says, and my people who are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways and I'll hear from heaven, I'll forgive their sin and I'll heal their land. I was talking to a friend the other day on the phone and they quoted that verse. This is the answer, this is the answer. Well, let's take a look at this. This verse was written by Solomon, the son of David. Solomon was the king after David passed away. And Solomon was born to David and Bathsheba. And you remember the story about David and Bathsheba and all of that. But Solomon was one of the wisest men in the Bible. He asked God for wisdom and God gave it to him. He was the king of Israel and he rebuilt, or he built the temple, not rebuilt. He built the temple in 2 Chronicles 6, 6 through verse 11. 2 Chronicles 6, 6 through 11. You should turn there and read how he built that temple. And this was so that people could come to worship God at the temple. So when he built the temple, he had a public dedication, and he knelt down in public, and he vowed for the nation and for him to serve only the Lord God of Israel. And Solomon asked that God hear their prayers when they had need in their life. In 2 Chronicles 6, 24 through 40, this is what he said. In time of war and defeat, hear our prayers. And when people turn away from their God, listen to our prayers. In time of famine, in time of drought, forgive us and teach us not to forsake you. In time of sin and captivity, forgive us and restore us. So here is a prayer. He's asking for the Lord. After all the celebrations, all the dedications, it was a tremendous thing that went on for days. Then God appeared to Solomon at night in a dream in 2 Chronicles 7, 12. And the Father assured him that he had accepted the temple structure as a legitimate place of worship and the institution of the Ark of the Covenant. So then he gave instructions on how to recover from divine discipline. God did. God gave instructions on how to recover from divine discipline that may come on the nation should it come. due to disobedience by the people and the leaders. This is what God said to Solomon. He said in 2 Chronicles 7, 13, if I shut up the heavens and there's no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people, that's all divine discipline, national discipline on the people of Israel. And then the solution was, but if my people who are called by my name those are the Jews, will then humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways. Then, and only then, I say, then I will hear from heaven. I will forgive their sin. I will heal their land. And that's in response to the discipline. So there you have it. The requirement for deliverance demanded three simple things. The people needed to become humble. Now, the greatest enemy that you and I have is our own arrogance. Our own arrogance does not want to submit to the authority of the Word of God. This is why when a child is born, the first thing the parent has to teach him in Ephesians 6, 1 and 2, is to obey his parents and to honor his father and his mother. His parents have to teach him that because we are born anti-authority. And the United States of America, where this show originates, has a lot of anti-authority issues today. For example, Proverbs 3, 7 says, "'Do not think you're wise in your own eyes.'" Many people have doubted the Word of God. Many people have doubted that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Many people fail to adhere to the prohibitions that the Bible puts on morality at issues like this. And they think they're wise in their own eyes. That's arrogance. The arrogance to think that you are smarter than God. The arrogance to reject what the Word of God lays out. So how you can have a wonderful, meaningful, full life and then you reject it because you don't believe it, and you think you're smarter than God, that's just pitiful. So people, if this thing is to be changed in this country, our country, let alone the rest of the countries of the world, then we need to become humble. Remember what the Bible said in Philippians 2, 5? The Lord Jesus Christ humbled himself and made himself of no reputation, took upon himself the form of a man. Humility is orientation to authority. That's where it starts. And then it's sacrifice and service. That's the way it's always going. So the people needed to become humble. And they needed to pray and seek his face. They needed to pray and seek his face. Now, for us, prayer is rebound. The Bible tells us if we confess our sins, he's faithful and just to forgive us of our sin and to purify us from all of our wrongdoing. When we pray, We can rebound. That's our first thing. Before you do anything in prayer, always look first at yourself and say, is there sin in my life that will hinder this prayer? And these folks are being told to pray and seek his face, to turn to the Lord, to look only to the Lord, not to look to anything else. You know, the Bible says, cursed is a man that trusteth in man. As we go through this world crisis that we're facing today, there's no scientists that are going to solve the problem unless God gives them the solution. There's no politicians going to deliver us from death unless God equips them to do so. The answer is always from God. That's where it comes. If you want to get the answer, go to the Lord. Seek my face and turn away from your wicked ways. What is that? Well, turning away from the wicked ways means to get back to the first love you used to have, which was your love for the Lord Jesus Christ. That's the first thing. Go back to where you started. Turning away from your wicked ways is beginning to obey. See, we've justified sin today. We've said now in this generation, in this country, everything that used to be evil is now okay. It's all good. And everything that used to be good and wonderful, oh, now that's all evil. And I could give you many illustrations of this. But the United States and this country and the world today, we've turned things around because we don't believe the Bible. We don't believe God's Word. We don't trust it anymore. As a whole, a lot of people, a lot of believers listening to me today that are solid, sound, fundamental Christians. So if you want to request that God deliver this nation, As a believer, well, you've got to be filled with the Holy Spirit because your prayer's not gonna be effective if you don't do that. And if you're occupied with the Lord Jesus Christ and growing in the grace and the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, then you got a great opportunity, a great chance to go to the throne room of God to make your request and perhaps get it answered. But failure to do this, this is what Solomon was warned, if they don't do this, They will lose their client nation status. National discipline will come upon them, and it eventually did. The whole nation was exiled into Babylon into captivity. The temple was destroyed. You can read about it in 2 Chronicles 36, 17 through 22. All of this was God's warning to Israel, but we can relate to the same thing today since we are now a client nation. We are a client nation. The United States of America is that voice of God and reason in the world today because we allow extensive evangelism within the country and throughout the world without government interference. The government doesn't stop us from doing that. And from this evangelism can build a pivot, a core group of mature believers like Gideon's core group of men, just a few. That's all God needed, just a few that would trust him. and they defeated the entire Midianite army. So God's just looking for a few. It doesn't have to be millions. Mature believers, believers that make up the pivot. And we have a civil government based on laws of establishment, like Romans 13, 1 through 10, along with vigorous, open, accurate Bible teaching, missionary activity, as well as recognition and protection of the nation Israel. That's what a client nation is, a nation that has evangelism, a nation that builds a pivot, a nation that has a good civil government based on the establishment laws of God, a nation that's open and accurate Bible teaching and missionary activity and protection of the Jews. That's us. So here's the question. You got to answer this question to yourself. Are your prayers for these times going to be heard by God the Father in the Supreme Court of Heaven? Are your prayers going to get through to the throne room of God? Because 2 Chronicles 7.14 says, my people, that was God's chosen race, Israel. Today, in the New Testament, it's the body of Christ or the church. So the dilemma, when a non-Christian who is scared of financial ruin or loss of health begins to pray for help Is he heard? Listen to the Bible. Proverbs 1 24. Because I called and you would not listen. I stretched out my hand and you didn't pay attention. You neglected all of my counsel. You did not want my reproof. then I will laugh at your calamity and I will mock you when it comes. When your dread comes like a storm and your calamity comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you, then you will call on me, but I won't answer. They will seek me diligently, but they won't find me because they hated knowledge. They hated knowledge. This is the one thing that'll destroy a nation, being wise in your own eyes and hating the knowledge of the word of God. and they did not choose to respect the Lord. They would not accept my counsel. They spurned all of my reproof, so they will eat the fruit of their own ways and be satisfied with their own devices. For the waywardness of the naive will kill him, and the complacency of a fool will destroy him. But he who listens to me shall live securely and be at ease from the dread of evil. Wow, listen to what Isaiah 59 too says. Your iniquities have separated you from your God. Your sins have hidden his face from you and he will not hear you. And then listen to John 9, 31. Now we know that God does not hear sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, that he hears. What's the will of God? This is the will of God that you believe in me whom he has sent, Jesus said. So the Bible teaches us that prayer is the privilege of those who have become children of God. The Psalm writer tells us the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, that's what happens. When you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, he who knew no sin was made sin for us so that we could be made the righteousness of God through him. The eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, those that have the righteousness of Christ, and his ears are attentive to their cry. The face of the Lord is against those who do evil. Psalm 34, 15, another great verse. So if you want to listen, this is very important. The famous evangelist Billy Graham said, here I'm quoting Dr. Graham now, Jesus once said, whoever comes to me, I will never drive away, John 6, 37. However, one who has never trusted in Christ as his personal savior should be reminded that if his only point in prayer is to relieve his mind of problems, and secure benefits for his family or his life, it's extremely doubtful that such praying would gain the desired objective. The single most important prayer you could ever pray is found in Luke 18, 13 and 14. What is that one? But the tax collector standing some distance away was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat upon his breast, saying, God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Jesus said, I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other, for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. Is there anything wrong with praying for God to have mercy on you? No. If you have never believed in Jesus Christ, that's a legitimate prayer. Ask God for mercy because it has been extended. He who knew no sin became sin for us. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. That's mercy. But what about the Christian? What about the Christian who prays for deliverance? Can you pray for deliverance through the crisis? I think you can legitimately ask God to deliver you through the crisis, yes. Are your prayers for deliverance being heard or will they be answered? Well, it depends because you cannot expect God to answer any prayer that's offered while you're out of fellowship. This means that if you have unconfessed sin in your life, your prayer will not get any higher than the ceiling. Psalm 66, 18, if I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me. The reason for this disclaimer is because the Holy Spirit, the one who does the interceding for us in prayer, is quenched and grieved. In Romans 8, 26, in the same way, the Spirit helps our weaknesses, for we don't know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words, and he who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is because he intercedes for the saints. according to the will of God. So we have been warned. We were warned in Ephesians 4.30, don't grieve the Spirit. We were warned in 1 Thessalonians 5.19, don't quench the Spirit. Because when you put sin in your life, you shut off the power of the Holy Spirit. And then you're operating in the energy of the flesh, and no prayer given in the energy of the flesh will ever get to heaven, regardless of how scared you are, regardless of how sincere you are. Any believer who offers prayer to God's throne must do so if he's filled with the Holy Spirit. And there are a lot of promises that you can claim, a lot of promises you can stand on, promises yours to learn and use. if you like money in the bank, but that's what they're like. Promises are like a check account. There are over 7,000 promises in the Bible for you, yours. But the question is, what bank are they in? How can you use them if you don't know them? And verses like, in peace, I will both lie down and sleep. For you alone, O Lord, do make me dwell in safety, Psalm 4, 8. In Psalm 56, 3, what time I'm afraid, I will trust you. In Jeremiah 29, 11, I know the plans I have for you, plans for welfare and not calamity, to give you a future and a hope. These are all promises from God for you. We even put them into what we call a COVID-19 crisis kit. And that's a short list of God's promises for mature believers to use in these trying times. We also have a book that's free of charge. called Promises and Principles that we'd be glad to send you. And you can read through these promises of God and claim them for deliverance in your life if you are filled with the Holy Spirit and if you are a child of God. But remember, prayer doesn't solve problems. It gives you the access to the throne room of God. It does, yes. But what solves problems is divine viewpoint thinking in your life as you learn God's Word in advance apply the biblical principles and promises that becomes the shield in your soul that protects you protects you from being afraid protects you from being overrun with fear protects you from having anxiety protects you from reacting rather than responding you have to act on faith claiming God's promises because if you don't without faith it's impossible to please God That's Hebrews 11, 6. And so for you, that's the faith rest drill. Problem-solving advice number three, the faith rest drill. One final thought here before we wrap it up today, and that's the very misunderstood concept about prayer today. There has to be protocol in prayer because our Father is a God of protocol. And that simply means that a right thing must be done in a right way. And if you want your prayers heard, if you want your prayers answered by your Father, you have to follow protocol because you can be sincere, but that doesn't carry power. And emotion has no reasoning power in prayer. But divine viewpoint from knowing and understanding the mind of Christ, Philippians 2.5, that helps us to understand how we can accurately pray and approach God's throne and expect results. You see, God the Father is the recipient of all of our prayers. Hebrews 4, 6, let us be approaching the throne of grace with confidence that we may receive mercy and acquire grace with reference to seasonable help. What do we approach? The throne room of God. We don't offer prayers to the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 6, 9 said, after this manner, pray you, our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. In Ephesians 3, 14, Paul wrote, for this cause I bow my knee unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. And in 1 Peter 1, 17, if you call on the Father, who without respecter of persons judges according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in peace. All prayer must be to the heavenly Father, not to Jesus Christ. When you hear somebody praying to Jesus, not going to be answered. All prayers are offered in the name of Christ. Yes, John 14, 13. Whatever you shall ask in my name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified. So we pray to the Father, not to Jesus, but in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the power of the Holy Spirit. And then the Lord said, before they call, I'll answer. And while they're still speaking, I will hear. Your prayer is an invisible power directed toward an invisible God. And it's your relationship with him, one of your invisible assets. And it's most effective when used by invisible heroes like you, people that have obtained spiritual maturity. There are prayers of thanksgiving, prayers for others, prayers for yourself. But in prayer, the most important thing is you concentrate. Concentrate on what is the will of God. You know, you can effectively pray for other people too. Nothing wrong with that. And at the time in America, we need to be praying for our leaders. We need to be praying for our military. We need to be praying for a lot of things. You need to pray before you eat. Always sanctify your food. We need to pray for those in authority that they would have wisdom for the president, for the cabinet, for the military, for the firemen, for the policemen, for your pastor. Listen, the Bible says in Matthew 7, 7, ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened. So what do you need to do? You need to keep asking and asking and asking. Father, come to him on a daily basis. He may say, well, you came yesterday. You want to come again? Yes. I want to ask you again, Father. I mean, how many times do your children ask ask you for the same thing over and over and over again, Canada, Canada, Canada, Canada. There's nothing wrong with that. Keep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep seeking his will, and you will find it. You can be that invisible hero that delivers the nation in time of a crisis. Keep knocking, and the door will be opened for you. The door, Jesus Christ said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me. And behold, I stand at the door and I knock. If any man hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him and sup with him. That's fellowship. That's not salvation. That's fellowship with you through rebound in your life. There's so much to learn about prayer, but it's being used in the wrong way at the wrong time. If you learn the issues in prayer and execute an effective, legitimate prayer, you can tap into the invisible power, the throne room of God, and it's yours. I hope you're listening. I hope you're paying attention, and I hope you're learning. You can always get a transcript of this by contacting us, rickhughesministries.org. Until next week, thank you for listening.
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Thank you for listening to The Floodline with your host, Rick Hughes. If you'd like to contact Rick, please write to him at P.O. Box 100, Cropwell, Alabama, 35054, or online at www.rickhughesministries.org.
Mike Gallagher's latest show offers a relentless cascade of news and analysis, touching on vital topics like immigration law, personal moral dilemmas, and economic forecasts. Amidst the uproar over recent deportation orders, Gallagher bares his soul about the ethical struggles he faces and invites listeners to weigh in with their views. This is a deeply engaging episode that drives home the unpredictable landscape of American politics and the permanent waves of public opinion.
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He's the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here's Mike.
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I want to warn you, if you miss one minute of today's show, you're going to miss a lot. Do not, do not turn away. There is so much breaking news going on right now, my head is about to explode. You want a China trade deal? Done. Moments ago, the White House announces we have struck a deal with China, which will have enormous impact to our economy. You want to hear news about the suspended ABC journalist, quote unquote, Terry Moran? They fired him. ABC actually fired the guy. You want more news about Elon Musk? He apologized to President Trump in the middle of the night. And furthermore, President Trump indicated he might be open to some degree of reconciliation. You want more? There were riots again in Los Angeles. Molotov cocktail attacks. More looting. And Gavin Newsom took to the airwaves to blame all of it, all of it, on President Trump, which is astounding. When you think about this, to blame Trump for violence in the streets of Los Angeles is the linear equivalent of blaming Trump for people who behaved violently on January 6th. They do this all the time. No matter what happens, it's got to be Trump's fault. Forget that Trump is committed to restoring safety and peace to the streets of Los Angeles. He wants peace. He wants safety. He doesn't want people rioting. And the people are rioting because they're upset about his mass deportation, a policy that the majority of Americans favor. It's amazing. I mean, it really can make your head spin. Now, I want to share something with you that I've been struggling a little bit with, and I want to turn it over to you because I need you to walk me off the ledge a little bit. I'm going to make a confession. The fact of the matter is there are plenty of illegal immigrants who have lived here for without breaking the law after they committed their original crime for years. Okay? There's no way around that. In fact, they've paid taxes. In 1996, the individual taxpayer identification number was created, and it allows people to pay taxes while being here illegally and awaiting path to citizenship. Now, to be sure, not all the illegals do this, but some do. Some do. They're paying taxes hoping that it would enhance their chances of gaining citizenship one day. So they broke the law. They snuck into the country. They have maybe built a business, worked for somebody, fed their family, kept their nose clean, didn't break any laws, even paid taxes. And they are subject to deportation. I admit, I'll confess... I've struggled with that. I don't like that. It's not my favorite thing. Of course we want gang members deported. Of course we want people breaking the laws deported. You commit a crime, you're out immediately. But of course President Trump's policy involves a mass deportation that also includes people who, after their original crime of sneaking into the country... illegally, have done nothing wrong. And I just wonder if I... Now, I saw a clip today on social media, and it kind of brought me back to Earth. And I don't think I've left Earth. I mean, look, we don't all have to be in lockstep on everything. And I am... wildly enthusiastic about the Trump policies. I'm grateful. I'm looking at the economy. Oh, I forgot the other big number, the other big news. Inflation came out for May. Oh, it wasn't bad at all. In fact, inflation eased, and it was below the doomsayers what they thought was going to happen. So the economy is doing fine. And it's going to do even better now with a trade agreement with China. So there's a lot of things to celebrate. I celebrate the Trump administration. But I wonder if you, too, are somewhat bothered by the prospect of some, I don't know, pick a guy named Juan, who his wife Juanita and their four kids living in, you know, Philadelphia. He immigrated here illegally, broke the law, but for 30 years... He's opened up the local pizza stand there in the corner of 3rd and Main. Paid taxes, didn't break any other laws, and he faces deportation. I'm going to ask you a heartfelt question. Are you bothered by that at all? Now, again, I think I came back to reality, and I will tell you that it has to be, it has to happen. And I'll give you the reasons why it has to happen. And part of the reason it has to happen is I was won over by a young man I saw on social media, a guy who posted a clip that made a lot of sense to me. But I want to dive into all of this with you. I'll play that clip for you in just a moment. I'll also give you some of the counter arguments to my own position. 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The Mike Gallagher Show. Large group of people. It could turn very volatile if you move law enforcement in there in the wrong way and turn what is just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn into a massive confrontation and altercation between officers and demonstrators.
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In the Relief Factor studios on Salem News Channel and Salem Radio Network, here's Mike.
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Just having fun. just the kids out playing, you know, stealing a few iPhones, breaking a few windows. Karen Bass made an announcement last night, the lunatic mayor of Los Angeles, at least she didn't go to Africa this time, like she did during the wildfires. Karen Bass announced that, look, the World Cup is coming, and we may not be ready for it because there's so much graffiti and damage all over the city of Los Angeles that we've got to clean it up before the World Cup begins. huh, wait a minute, I thought it was a couple of square blocks, cuz. I thought it was just a few. Anna Navarro, she's seen more violence at, you know, a Black Friday over at Best Buy. Stephen Miller just posted something on social media that was really, really clever and smart. He wrote, speaking of Stephen Miller, He was the subject of Terry Moran's wrath. The ABC anchor who sat down with President Trump for a one-on-one a few weeks ago, they fired Terry Moran. He's out. And now the left is livid at ABC. You know, we're all going to lose track of who you're supposed to be mad at and who you're not. What are we doing with Teslas now? Are people mad at Teslas or not mad at Teslas? Now that Elon Musk has apologized and regrets... Things that he said about President Trump on that crazy online rant that he went through when he left the White House. He said, you know, he regrets it. He deleted the posts, of course. So now is the left still mad at Elon? Or do they love him like they did when he was attacking President Trump? It's got to just be exhausting for them to know which car to key. Which Tesla do you need to burn? Where do you go to vandalize? Because now are conservatives supposed to vandalize Teslas? Because they made up? And a lot of people on the right are mad at Elon? It's exhausting. So here's Stephen Miller, who is the target of Terry Moran's... unhinged online rant and wound up getting Terry Moran fired after years at ABC, Stephen wrote, America voted for mass deportations. Violent insurrectionists and the politicians who enable them are trying to overthrow the results of an election. Think about that. Even Jessica Tarloff, who loves her polls, admits that the majority of Americans favor the mass deportation that is underway right now in America. This is what we voted for. Trump promised this when he campaigned and America elected him. Now that he's doing it, are these Democrats trying to overthrow the outcome of an election? I believe they are. It feels very, I don't know, insurrection-y. I've got nothing but good news for you today. I really do. A lot of great news to share. And I've got to take you to Fort Bragg. First of all, the bit about the naming of the military bases, it cracks me up. You know, I've witnessed for decades the way the media and the left mock the South. They've always mocked Christians, but they especially hate Christian Southerners. You know, all the backwoods, toothless wonders in the South. That's how they characterize anybody in the South. Ah, you know, they talk funny, and they're not as smart as we are. And we sure can't have any Confederate reminders of the Civil War. They want to pretend that the Civil War... didn't exist and they want to act like the Confederacy isn't part of our history. So what you do is you take the names of the military bases that are named for Confederate generals and you change it. Fort Bragg becomes Fort Liberty. We can't have Fort Bragg. He was a Confederate general. What they're doing in changing the names is a stroke of genius and that is incredible. So let's get to that. And thanks to help from the Vigilant Fox. an account I follow on X. The vigilant fox sort of breaks down some highlights of Trump's speech. The most electric moment of Trump's address yesterday at Fort Bragg wasn't about military budgets or renaming military bases. It came when he spoke from the gut about the riots engulfing Los Angeles. This was a battle for the soul of America. The violence had spiraled for days, but aside from a few posts on Truth Social, Trump had largely remained quiet. That ended the moment he looked out across the crowd of troops and launched into what sounded less like a speech and more like a battlefield briefing.
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I want to say a few words about the situation in Los Angeles, California. Have you heard of the place where I've deployed thousands of National Guard troops and hundreds of Marines to protect federal law enforcement from the attacks of a vicious and violent mob? And some of the radical left, they say, oh, that's not nice. Well, if we didn't do it, there wouldn't be a Los Angeles. It would be burning today, just like the houses were burning a number of months ago. Generations of Army heroes did not shed their blood on distant shores only to watch our country be destroyed by invasion and third-world lawlessness here at home, like is happening in California. As Commander-in-Chief, I will not let that happen. It's never going to happen.
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crowd, of course, roared. From there, he didn't just keep the pressure on, he escalated, and the troops were loving it. He painted the riots not as random chaos on, you know, two isolated blocks, like my poor delusional friend said, but as a coordinated attack on the United States itself.
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What you're witnessing in California is a full-blown assault on peace, on public order, on and a national sovereignty carried out by rioters bearing foreign flags with the aim of continuing a foreign invasion of our country. We're not going to let that happen. Remember, millions of people were allowed to come into our country totally unchecked and unvetted by stupid people or radical left people or sick people.
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As the vigilant Fox describes it on X, President Trump then unearthed something that ignites a fire within every red-blooded American, the burning, the burning of the American flag.
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These are animals. But they proudly carry the flags of other countries, but they don't carry the American flag. They only burn it. Did you see a lot of the flags being burned? They weren't being burned by people from our country or from people that love our country. People that burn the American flag should go to jail for one year. That's what they should be doing. And we'll see if we can get that done.
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And then came the bombshell, Vigilant Fox writes. Trump dropped another charge, one aimed at the people who are pulling the strings behind the curtain. And as everyone suspects, Trump said this isn't just rage in the streets. This is well-funded, well-planned, and professional.
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And attempting to infiltrate and occupy federal buildings wearing armor and face shields. The best money can buy somebody's financing it. We're going to find out through Pam Bondi and Department of Justice who it is. They're already on it. Who's financing all this equipment? Very professional. Under the Trump administration, this anarchy will not stand. We will not allow federal agents to be attacked and we will not allow an American city to be invaded and conquered by a foreign enemy. And that's what they are.
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And finally, he closed about the riots with the part that no one in the media wants to admit. All of this, all of this was allowed to happen. As Gavin Newsom is thrashing about, trying to blame President Trump for the riots, what really is happening in Los Angeles is not happening by accident.
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A lot of those people were let in here by the Biden administration. They just poured right in. They came from prisons. They came from jails from all over the world. They came from mental institutions. They were the leaders of gangs. They were drug lords allowed to come into our country. Their countries threw them out. Their countries would bus them or drive them right to our border and say, go in there. You ever come back, we're going to kill you. And we got them and we're getting them out of here. I want to applaud the courage and the strength of the incredible troops who are right now standing guard to protect federal property and personnel and uphold the supremacy of federal law. That's what they're doing. They're protecting our... ice agents. They're protecting the police in Los Angeles. The head of the police in Los Angeles, a good man. I hear a good man. But he was actually saying we really did need this help. It had gotten away from them. It had long gotten away. And we gave it to him.
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Wow. Patriot. This is just amazing. A speech that that included. Trump's reference to old glory, to the American flag that so many in the streets of Los Angeles, while waving Mexican and Palestinian flags, burned. Here's what he said about our flag.
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And the only flag that will wave triumphantly over the streets of Los Angeles is the American flag. So help me God, the American flag is the one that's going to wave triumphantly over the streets.
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And finally, finally, he ended the speech, and he was getting applause, of course, and the familiar strains of YMCA began. And he stood there, and the master showman that he is, he waited until the verse began, and he launched into the famous Trump dance. And you know the dance, fists at the side, and you go back and forth. And he waited until the perfect moment. And wait till you hear the way the crowd reacted to this.
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Wow. Patriotism and joy. The look on those
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Troops' faces, the exuberance, the pride, the joy that we have a commander-in-chief who's in control. Listen, if you missed the speech yesterday, it was something that was astounding, absolutely astounding. Incredible. Portions of our show brought to you by MyPillow and Big Deal. Two sales in one. First, they're having a closeout sale on the percale bedsheets. Any size, any color, $25. You can get Queens, Kings, Split Kings, California Kings, any size, any color, $25. It's a crazy sale from MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher Special Square. The second sale, Mike Lindell has introduced a brand new energy drink called Rev7. It's a premium energy drink that's good for you. It tastes great, gives you energy all day. I sampled it yesterday for the first time. It is delicious. No sugar, no caffeine. Rev7 is so special because it's powered with a premium nootropic that helps fuel your mind. MyPillow is so confident you're going to love Rev7 that for a limited time you can try their introductory three-pack absolutely free. Now, these offers aren't going to last long. So go to MyPillow.com. Use the promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Sing along with me.
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Some breaking news to share with you, and it's good news. Inflation in May came in lighter than expected for yet another month. Inflation below economists' expectations every single month since Trump took office. We were told with reliable certainty that inflation was going to skyrocket because of Trump's trade war. We were promised a cratering economy. We were going to be eating each other's livers. We were going to be like the dawn of the dead. We were going to be roaming through the streets like zombies. Funny how there just keeps getting to be more and more good news just looking at numbers. I mean, numbers that show polling, Trump keeps getting more popular. You know what's astounding is his popularity right now with immigrants. Now, this is pretty crazy. Here is Harry Enten, the numbers guy over at CNN, saying, He's in a perpetual state of shock. He can never believe all this good news keeps coming Trump's way. But apparently it does.
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Let's just sort of start off on the fact that immigrant citizens, immigrant voters, foreign-born voters have gone tremendously to the right on this issue in 2024 and 2025 versus where they were in 2020. Closest to a trust-worn immigration. You go back to 2020. Democrats, get this, held a 32-point lead on this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump forward to 2024, 2025. Look at that shift. A 40-point shift to the right among immigrant voters. Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over Democrats, more so than any other group.
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A 40% shift from 2020 to now. Among immigrants, 40% shift from the Democrats to the Republicans. Americans like what they're seeing. Don't get distracted. And I admit I get distracted. I read an article in Axios this morning, and I started thinking about how I feel in my heart. I have to admit it hasn't been my favorite thing to consider an illegal immigrant who snuck into the country years ago and did nothing wrong since then. Didn't commit any crimes. Maybe worked at a company or raised their family. paid taxes, including paying taxes into the federal government, and there's a way that some illegals do that in hopes that they might be considered for citizenship. So you think about that. They paid their taxes, didn't commit any crimes, kept their nose clean after sneaking into this country illegally and breaking the law, should they be deported. And I admit... Not my favorite thing. I like the idea, of course, of criminals being deported. I absolutely accept that if you're a troublemaker, if you've committed a crime, if you're a drunk driver, if you've hurt somebody, if you've done anything wrong, you've got to go. But what about the people who haven't done anything wrong except illegally immigrate here in the first place? And that's my heart getting in the way of my brain. Because the truth of the matter is, as compassionate as that might sound, it's the wrong conclusion. And let me tell you what won me over. Because I saw that article this morning, Axios, the big showdown. What do we do about the illegals? who have done nothing wrong since they got here illegally. And to Axios' credit, they were fair about it. They acknowledge it's against the law to immigrate to this country illegally. That is, in and of itself, a crime. But what about those who haven't done anything illegal since they arrived here? Well, I saw a young man's clip on TikTok last night that I had to share with you. that completely brought me back to earth and grounded me in the reality of where we currently are.
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Bro, you came here illegally, so you're getting sent back. I'm not really understanding where I'm supposed to feel bad. It's the law. What? Am I missing something? We also can't do that. We can't go to other countries illegally and just pop up and start working and all of that without things in order, without abiding by their laws. And to be honest, it's a much worse punishment if we end up doing that. I feel like America is being generous. Y'all are getting caught and then being sent by plane or sent by bus back home. That's pretty generous if you ask me. Like if I go to Russia and try to pull that off, I might not come home. They might lock me up for 50 years for trespassing. I'm confused. The media is trying to make us feel bad. And they're like, oh, this person was 15 years old. He was a hardworking boy. He was in high school. And he was an illegal immigrant from Guatemala. Bro, you lost me. You lost me. He's illegal. So I'm sorry. That's just what happens. I can't feel bad no more. Everything you said before that is disregarded. I'm sorry.
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Isn't he right? Isn't that completely correct? Now, I would only qualify it. I do feel bad. You know, I think about a hypothetical Mexican who opened up a pizza joint in, I don't know, Greenville, South Carolina on Main Street. Been there for 30 years. Wife, three kids. Came here illegally 30 years ago. And the feds come in, swoop him up, and send him and his wife and his kids back to Mexico. I feel bad for him and his wife and his kids. But I also feel bad for a lot of families who are torn apart and disrupted by lawlessness. That's why we're working so hard to send a bunch of kids to summer camp. These are kids of prisoners. And I feel bad for the choices that the parents made. I feel bad for the kids who are suffering. Of course I feel bad if the hypothetical guy in Greenville with the pizza place gets deported. But he made the choice to sneak into this country and break our laws. And if we give him, if we make an exception for a certain category of illegals, we keep the floodgates open. We incentivize everybody to continue to sneak into this country illegally. So this has been a little bit of a personal struggle. And you know me, I bare my soul as often as I can. I wanted to tell you what I was struggling with. And I admit, I hate the thought of some of these people being sent home. But that guy is right. That TikToker is correct. If we tried to do this in another country... We'd be lucky to ever come home. We might wind up in a jail for a long time. We're not locking up illegals indefinitely. We're deporting them. That's what Trump's mass deportation is all about. And it's not a mystery here. Trump promised this. He campaigned on it. And he was elected. And according to all the polling... Most Americans approve of it. Just wanting to seek the American dream isn't enough if you try to seek the American dream illegally. And there's no other way around that. 800-655-MIKE. I mean, I get it. I truly do. And here's a text from South Carolina. I know lots of people who want the American dream, but if you do it illegally, you got to go. It's not fair to all those who have done it legally. You can't be soft on those who choose to do it the wrong way. That's right. That's absolutely correct.
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Mike Gallagher.
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Okay, this is going to be hard. This is going to be really, really tough as you look at a live view of Atlanta, Georgia on Salem News Channel. I looked up at the screen just seconds ago to see if we were going to get to 700 kids. I'm telling you, I'm going to lose it. I'm going to fall apart. I'm going to absolutely fall apart. We started out this morning. It was like 680 kids. I thought, gosh, I'd love it if we could get to 700. And a few minutes ago, we were at 690 kids. And I said, please, we just need 10 more kids to get to 700. Do you want to know where it is? My gosh, this audience, I do not deserve you. I just don't. Eric, can you give me a timpani roll so I can announce? When I just looked up a moment ago, I had to look at it three times. I can't believe this number. Are you ready? 769 kids. I had hoped for 700, and you blessed 769 kids. We did 79 kids in the last five minutes. 79 of you popped in $100. I just can't believe it. Gosh, what an incredible... act of love and generosity and kindness. This is what I mean about this country. They're more good people than bad. And look, the criticism you and I get is, you know, if you're a conservative, if you're a Republican, if you're right of center, if you're an independent who voted for Trump, you're cruel and you're mean and you're selfish and you're awful. And look at this. You're sending hundreds and hundreds of kids, many of them black kids and Hispanic kids. You're sending them to a summer camp because their mom or dad are in prison, and they're going to get to experience the wonders of being a child. I'm blown away. I'm not kidding you. I almost can't even... It's just crazy. I've spent a lot of time on air, been through a lot of highs and lows. We've been through a lot together. We've gotten through 9-11 together. We were in the Empire State Building that terrible day. We got through COVID, the pandemic. We've been through George Floyd and the riots. We're going through it now. And my gosh. I have a feeling that a whole bunch of people are just popping in $100. I don't dare ask for more. I mean, because really, if a few hundred people put in $100 today, we might get to $1,000. I love this audience so much. I love you so much for what you bring to this universe. And helping these kids the way you are, this is a God thing. And you should know that when I thank God for my many blessings, and I am blessed, got challenges like everybody else in life, but when I thank God for my blessings, this show and you are at the top of my list. You are so astounding. So thank you so very much. I'm a little bit overwhelmed. I'm just stunned, absolutely stunned. Wow. By the way, let me get back off our cloud here for a moment. I'm afraid to look at the number again. I am. I'm afraid to go back because I'm going to fall on the floor. Look, if 769 is 69 ahead of where I didn't dream we could hit, I'm afraid to look again. So let's get back to business for a minute. Not for nothing, you want to pop in $100 and have some fun with this and send a child to a summer camp. MikeOnline.com. I'm just saying, I'm not trying to get greedy here. I'm not trying to get selfish, but it feels like $100, there's something about that that's worth... Anyway, can we go back... in time to 2010 with all of this drama and we're buckling up for Saturday, right? It's going to be the 250th anniversary of the U.S. Army. Big, giant, beautiful military parade in Washington, D.C. It's Flag Day. Hope you have your flags out. Hope you're ready to celebrate this great country. And all of the drama against and the hate that Gavin Newsom, and I refuse to play one word of that scoundrel's speech last night. I'm not going to do it. The guy is running for president. Scott Jennings said it last night. Never seen anything like this. A guy running for president while riots are taking place in his state and in Los Angeles. And all he's doing is mounting a presidential race. That's what he's doing. Oh, I'm going to take on the Republicans. Well, let's go back in time. I take you to CBS News. This is Barack Obama. He was president in 2010. Let's listen to the way CBS News covers Barack Obama sending the National Guard in to help secure our border.
SPEAKER 01 :
President Obama is sending 1,200 National Guard troops to boost security along the U.S.-Mexican border. CBS News Chief White House Correspondent Chip Reid has the details. Good morning, Chip.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, good morning, Betty. In addition to the troops, the president is also requesting $500 million for border security. But some border state politicians are already saying more help is needed. Under President Obama's border plan, the National Guard will assist with intelligence gathering, surveillance, reconnaissance support, analysis and training, as well as supporting counter-narcotics enforcement. This is not the first time troops have been called upon to assist with border security. In 2006, then-President Bush ordered a similar operation, which allowed border agents to spend more time arresting illegal immigrants. Mr. Obama's announcement comes just weeks after Arizona enacted its controversial new immigration law, which gives police greater authority to question suspected illegal immigrants.
SPEAKER 11 :
Wow. Imagine that. Covering a president, sending the National Guard to the border, to help secure our border. And it's presented on CBS in an objective, neutral, journalistic way. You won't hear that on CBS today. You would never hear of that kind of objectivity or neutrality. Where we are right now Coming from where we used to be, it's astounding. The change is amazing. And that's the thing. There are receipts. There are tapes. We've got all kinds of evidence of Democrats completely 180 degrees from where they are now. Never seen anything like this in my life. But what a time. And look, what you did today for our Prison Fellowship Angel Tree campaign is just a great reminder that there is so much more good in the world than bad. There is so much more. love and compassion and generosity and goodness and virtuousness in the world. And we can't lose sight of that. Don't get discouraged. And we all make that. I make this mistake all the time. I go down the rabbit hole. I think, like the lady the other day, I was really struck by that lady who said, I'm giving up. I'm giving up. You can't give up. Remember what Rush Limbaugh said? Eric, you got it? You got Rush? Never give up. Never give up. We're never, ever, ever going to give up on the United States of America. Hey, that'll do it. Wow. Thank you. I am still blown away by your generosity for the Prison Fellowship Angel Tree campaign. Again, not to be greedy, but keep it going. MikeOnline.com. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Have a great Wednesday. Be safe. Keep fighting the good fight. I'm Mike Gallagher. God bless America. And Eric, welcome back.
SPEAKER 04 :
Certainly appropriate for this segment, the Talking Heads. David Byrne and the Boys. And She Was, a little album called Little Creatures, released this week, 40 years ago. That's right, the Eminem segment, helping everybody feel old. But here's the eternally youthful Mike Gallagher. How you doing, man?
SPEAKER 11 :
I'm sorry I missed your Newsmax hit. Holy moly! That sounded like some fun. Holy cow. Were you like thrown by that, or were you ready for it?
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, any time you tell me, and I'm getting the half-second pushback, mix minus, guys, please do me a favor. Thank you. Any time that I am booked to be on something where there's a panel, and it'll be me and a liberal person, first thing I do is embrace it. I think this is great. And I know that it can go in a number of ways. It can be goodwill, disagreement, constructive debate. Or the guy can be a total nutbag, and that was the gift given to me yesterday with this guy who started out in talking about the Trump and Musk feud saying, well, the first thing you have to understand is Musk knew that Trump was a sexual predator, and Trump knew that Musk was a white supremacist. It's like, thank you, God. Thank you for giving me this gift. So, oh, my Lord. I didn't bag on him. He said he's got his attorney. Is that right?
SPEAKER 11 :
No. Well, you did your normal, fantastic, stellar work. Congratulations.
SPEAKER 04 :
Kudos.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, better you than me because I ain't doing it. How would you have handled it? Well, I was getting a massage at about the time you were doing that. I was in the zone. I was in a zone of relaxation. Good for you. Some breaking news, of course, President Trump just confirmed moments ago that we reached a deal with China after intense trade negotiations. So that's good news. That's about to hit big time. It looks like my buddy Mark Davis was right about Elon. Speaking of Mr. Musk, as Byron York points out, now that Elon did a middle-of-the-night mea culpa to Donald Trump... Oh, I went too far. I regret some of the things I said. So Byron writes, as typical as only Byron can do, Elon Musk issues a statement of regret for, among other things, calling for Trump impeachment, accusing the president of involvement in the Epstein scandal, and calling top Trump legislative priorities a disgusting abomination. Possible resolution to Musk matter is this. Everybody makes up, be happy, move on, but realize Musk, for all his talents, is unsuited for any future government position.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which is totally fair. I will always be grateful for what Elon did in those months of Doge. He came in with the cray, came in with the attitude, came in with the Asperger's, came in with the... Came in with all of it, the chainsaw, and achieved wonderful things. I'm glad we got as many sane weeks out of him as we did. Because for the millionth time, the Walter Isaacson biography just tells story after story after story. At Tesla, at SpaceX, at Neuralink, all of his companies, the people who work with him and know him best know that he could snap off. in a heartbeat and just go spiraling off into god knows where and it gets better in a couple of days and you just pick up and go from there that private sector that's great public life government life not so much i'm just intrigued by who anybody who's mad at him now well you think about it everybody is so now the right and the left so who's gonna who's gonna key the teslas
SPEAKER 11 :
you know what i mean like everybody's if that was part of this in other words if it was to try to get some of the heat off of him because of progressives who were mad at tesla well then they're not mad at tesla because he took off after trump that was never true the one of one of the one of the the dumbest theories was that this was very calculated by elon in order to win back liberal friends he doesn't think No, I know, but I'm talking about the actual practical implications of it. I mean, because if people are sitting around screaming that Elon's a Nazi, well, then for a brief period of time there, they loved him because he was taken off against Trump. So I guess they don't think he's a Nazi. Look, it's exhausting. But I'll tell you what's even more exhausting. I watched this Gavin Newsom speech last night. And to make Trump the centerpiece of the riots in L.A. is really astounding, Mark. When you just think about it in bold black and white terms, they're all trying to claim that the only reason people are looting the Apple store and throwing concrete bricks at cops. is because of Donald Trump. And that is such an audacious, ridiculous, bizarre, asinine, but typical tactic. It's all they've got. And I'm going to share something with you. Can I bear my soul a little bit? All right, I'm going to get in trouble for even admitting this, but don't worry, I came to reason quickly. I knew you were going to set me straight, but there was a guy on social media who actually did it for me. Axios writes, the heart of the standoff with Trump and the deportations and immigration, how comfortable are Americans with deporting millions of immigrants who paid taxes, built families, and committed no crimes after coming here illegally? And I give Axios a little bit of credit because they acknowledge all along it's illegal. They broke the law. They came here illegally. And there's no question about that. That's not a dispute. OK, but are we comfortable then with taking a family of four, say, and a guy who's been here feeding his family, working for 25 years? He came here illegally 25 years ago. But since that time, he has paid taxes. And I do forget that there is a path that they have a, you know, I don't think I remembered this, but I kind of knew it in the back of my head. But there is a way for illegals to actually pay taxes in the hopes that that will help them eventually get approved for citizenship. Congress did this years ago, but it's like an alternative. 1996, there was an alternative to the social security number that was the individual taxpayer identification number. And according to Axios, and I don't know how this works day to day, but they say it allows people to pay taxes while being here illegally and awaiting a path to citizenship. So those people have been paying taxes, believing it would enhance their chances of gaining citizenship. A portion of those taxes even fund social security. Under the law, if they eventually get citizenship, those taxes will count toward their retirement. So let's just stipulate that many of them have paid taxes. They haven't broken the law. Other than the illegal immigration. We know that they broke the law to get here. But since that original... law-breaking, if you will, sin, stayed completely out of trouble. How comfortable are we with deporting that person?
SPEAKER 04 :
Completely.
SPEAKER 11 :
And, okay, I know you'd say that, and I know that's probably the right answer, but I'm going to confess to you, I've struggled with this. I have absolutely struggled. It's not my favorite thing. I don't love it. Until I came across a guy on social media. Mm-hmm. And I'm going to play this for you, please. I want to play this young man who posted a heartfelt reality check that old Gallagher needed to get right between the eyes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Bro, you came here illegally, so you're getting sent back. Like, I'm not really understanding where I'm supposed to feel bad. Like, it's the law. Like, what? Am I missing something? Like, we also can't do that. We can't go to other countries illegally and just pop up and start working and all of that. without things in order, without abiding by their laws. And to be honest, it's a much worse punishment if we end up doing that. I feel like America is being generous. Y'all are getting caught. And then being sent by plane or sent by a bus back home, that's pretty generous if you ask me. Like, if I go to Russia and try to pull that off, I might not come home. They might lock me up for 50 years for trespassing. Like, I'm confused. The media is trying to make us feel bad. And they're like, oh, this person was 15 years old. He was a hardworking boy. He was in high school. And he was an illegal immigrant from Guatemala. Bro, you lost me. You lost me. He's illegal. So I'm sorry. Like, that's just what happens. I can't feel bad no more. Everything you said before that is disregarded. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER 04 :
My goodness, that's 60 seconds of genius. That is great. That's the reality check. And I want to come to your defense, whatever you want to call it, because our brains and our hearts are always at war. And I talk about the heart eating the brain. And in fact, I will tell you, is there some way to craft, in the example that you cite, the really heart-rending, or as they say in Maryland, heart-rendering, uh example that you give of somebody's been here 25 their only crime is getting in here illegally and they've been solid citizen hard working no law breaking ever since should there be some way to kind of work with these folks to create some special category of redemption i'm willing to have that conversation it is filled with danger however because if we do it and now this is stuff that i think is already in your head uh that if we do that just to be the good guys that then everybody knows that Of course we can flood into the country, but then if we're Boy Scouts, we can stay forever. Bingo. And we're sunk.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's the second part of the argument that wins me back to reality. The first part is what that young man said. If we did this in Russia, we're not going to be treated that well. Give me a break, okay? But on the other hand, and the second part of it is what you just said, which is so important. If we... open the floodgates and say, come on in, break the law to get in here, swim across the Rio Grande, and if you make it in, God bless you, and don't commit any crimes, and then you're good to go. Nope, that doesn't fly. Look, I know I'm in the minority here. I mean, the good news is... The way we really, and this is truly how I do feel. I mean, we have to do it. I'm in favor of what Trump is doing completely, but it hurts. I've got to admit, this is hard. We knew it was going to be hard. We knew months ago this was going to be tough. We knew we'd see the images of crying women and people saying, I don't want to go back to Guatemala. We knew this was coming, but yet it's here, it's real, and now when people riot, of course they want to blame all of it on Trump. Speaking of Trump, tell me you saw him at Fort Bragg yesterday.
SPEAKER 04 :
I sure did. Mark. That is what leadership is. And to have that kind of leadership on display at Fort Bragg, and then Gavin Newsom on the TV box the exact same day.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
What a contrast.
SPEAKER 11 :
Case study. Game, set, match. I mean, because the truth, and incidentally, he mentioned changing the names all back of the military installations. Mark, do you know what they're doing, the sleight of hand they're doing to get the name change back? What? This is beyond brilliant. Okay, so you know that you recognize that Fort Bragg became, I think, Fort Liberty, right? Because Bragg was a Confederate general, right? Which no one knew or cared. Of course not. Well, they put it back to Fort Bragg. But not the Confederate general. Did you know that? They found somebody else. They're doing this across the board. They're matching. They're finding other people with the same name? With the same name. They're finding this guy, this Bragg is like Bob Bragg or something. He was a private in like World War II, but he was a war hero.
SPEAKER 04 :
So that no one can say you white supremacists are cleaving to the wrong side of the Confederacy in France.
SPEAKER 11 :
How brilliant is that? Think of the brilliance of that. And they've done that apparently with a number of these bases. So they're just going out and they're finding, you know, all these different... Robert E. Lee? Okay, now let's find Jack Lee. And Jack Lee was a third... He was a sergeant in the U.S. Army.
SPEAKER 04 :
Served honorably in the Korean War.
SPEAKER 11 :
was a hero and we're gonna call it but it's back to the lee base i mean these guys are look this is winning this is and this news about china is so big watch the stock stock market soar the economy round you're continuing to i thought but mike
SPEAKER 04 :
All the smart kids said we would be neck deep in depression by now. Inflation, recession.
SPEAKER 11 :
Eating our neighbor's liver and panhandling on the streets. Yeah, it's all terrible, terrible things. Look, buckle up for Saturday. I can't wait to see how this is all going to play out.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's Flag Day, it's Trump's birthday, and a huge military parade planned. But the website, nokings.org, gives you a national map of where the chowder heads are going to be. And it's about Trump hatred. It is about anti-ICE. They're all getting together. The band is getting together on that day.
SPEAKER 11 :
Funded by the Walmart heiress.
SPEAKER 04 :
Did you see that?
SPEAKER 11 :
She's taking all these ads. Christine Walton. And she's apparently, allegedly, according to Laura Loomer, who got Walmart to their knees, Laura Loomer went right to them and they said, look, we got nothing to do with this.
SPEAKER 04 :
She's sort of the black sheep. Right. She's a philanthropist and a Trump hater for a long time. Contributed a lot to the Lincoln Projects. And lives in Mexico, apparently.
SPEAKER 11 :
She can do what she wants. And lives in Mexico. Yeah. Apparently doesn't even live here. And she married into the Sam Walton fortune. Her husband died in a plane crash. And she got a big payday. And now she's committed to trying to destroy Donald Trump. 36.
SPEAKER 04 :
seconds, and then we'll do more of this tomorrow, and we'll do Mission Impossible tomorrow, which we never get to. I know. We've got some ancillary things on that. As a function of percentage, at the average protest on Saturday, or any of the ones we've seen, as a function of percentage, from 0 to 100, what percentage of the attendees are sort of paid actors instigated? Most of them. More than 50? Wow. Most of them.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think they're enough lunatics that it's maybe 1050. You watch these videos from L.A. These are not organic. This isn't spontaneous.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're organized.
SPEAKER 11 :
They're orchestrated. The signs are all pre-made and printed out. They look like it. Yeah, and they all look alike. They all look like degenerates. They all look like the guy in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There's that.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's always a good look when you try to attract people to your cause. Happy Wednesday. Happy Wednesday. It always is. Mike is ready. He's ready to go. The Wednesday Mike Gallagher Show.
Angie Austin sits down with author and parenting expert Katie Millar-Wierig to unpack the intricacies of parenting teenagers. Discover the importance of letting teens solve their own issues to foster independence. How does over-involvement from parents hinder a child's growth, especially in sports? Angie and Katie explore these questions and more, sharing personal stories and professional insights to guide listeners towards striking the perfect parenting balance.
SPEAKER 04 :
Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here's Angie.
SPEAKER 01 :
Hey there, friend. Angie Austin with the good news along with Dr. Cheryl Lentz, the academic entrepreneur. We just caught up about her summer and we know what's going on. She wants to talk a little bit about following direction. And then I've got an article about popular social habits that drain the life out of our relationships. And I think you'll be shocked at how many of these that maybe you do or, you know, people around you that do them and they're not really uplifting habits. Welcome back, Cheryl.
SPEAKER 03 :
Very nice to be here, Angie. Thank you so much. Oh, I want to know about these things. So I will be quick because I have seen a pattern. I really see this often in summer times around Easter and around Christmas. We all get so busy, busy, busy in our work that most of the time my students in particular – are lacking the ability to slow down and read directions. I don't care if you're reading a contract, if you're reading an assignment, if you're reading directions I gave you or your boss gave you or anyone gave you. The fact that most people, it's very disrespectful, and this is the key, and I'm sure you're going to tell us about the social stuff you're about to tell us about relationships. It's not that you didn't follow directions that's the problem. It's the disrespect of somebody giving you information that that you did not read, then you go back and talk to them as if your time is more important than their time because you couldn't take the time to read an email. That's shocking and a little disturbing.
SPEAKER 01 :
You know, speaking of not following directions, my husband's so good at fixing things and putting things together. So we had a faucet that, well, first of all, we're building the brick walkway and we're quite a ways on that. He is, I should say. And he learned how to do it on YouTube and that's going really well. Then, secondly, he'll take something out of a box like the new faucet we bought or the ceiling fan and light for my son's room, and he'll start putting it together. And he knows so much that he doesn't think he needs the directions, so they're all miffed at me because – Apparently, the ceiling is sloped and most ceiling fans are for a straight ceiling and you have to do something to modify them in order to do like a cathedral ceiling or a slope ceiling. And so they're irritated with me saying like, you should have gotten a fan that was for a slope ceiling. So then I Google it and they don't really sell specific fans for slope ceiling ceilings. You get this kit. that modifies it for the cathedral or the slope ceiling. And so then I realized I really didn't do anything wrong, that they just were, you know, putting it up and they were already like, you know, on ladders and wiring things when they realized that, oh, wait, this won't work. So I thought to myself, maybe it was them that they didn't follow the directions and look and see that, oh, we would have to modify this thing. I don't know much about ceiling fans. I just bought the one that I thought would look the coolest with a light, you know.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I get it. I have the same problem because I have three of the same fans in this house and I have three different versions, blade size and guys, I do have that cathedral ceiling and that sloped and that down pole that is needed and how they do. So I've gone through all of that in there and with three different handyman trying to get the wiring and stuff correct. Because it didn't work for three years until I found the right guy who understood all of that. Oh, yes. So I am your girl with that because I can just hear me going, oh. And I'm amazed every time I look at that fan and I'm looking at it now. It's working. And it's worked for the last year. And it's fabulous. Yes.
SPEAKER 01 :
You know, and my son's room is so hot that he definitely needs a fan up there. And he has very high ceilings in his bedroom. So when he's on the top floor, so of course, you know, heat rises. So it's been pretty hot up there. So we figured that out. We've gotten a device, you know, to fix it. And then with the faucet, I had to order two faucets. Because the first one didn't work, and then the second one didn't work, but the compilation, combining parts from each one, it worked. And we're talking like, this wasn't a cheap faucet. It was like $400. So it's like, wait, wouldn't this high-end brand of faucet, you would think that we wouldn't have to be... piecing together two different, you know, boxes of pieces, you know, parts to put it anyway. So I don't know if that was a direction thing or not, but that's done and that's not dripping anymore. But I want to talk to you as well, besides following directions about, I love this website. It's called Mark and Angel, and they just have a lot of common sense information and advice on life. And this is regarding, I don't know if I'll get through all nine, but nine popular social habits that drain the life out of our relationships. And as I Looked at them, I thought, oh my goodness, the silent treatment. Don't worry, my mother-in-law doesn't live anywhere near here. She lives by you in Chicago, actually. She uses the silent treatment as punishment. I call it emotional blackmail. Like, if you don't do as she wants you to do, if you don't behave in the way she wants you to behave, or... you know, like, it's like a kid doesn't want to go to the store with her or a kid didn't, you know, want to stay overnight with her at the hotel when they were little, she'd punish them the next day. And that then that would manipulate them into, you know, behaving the way she wanted them to in order to get her love back, per se. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 03 :
And we call that ghosting into in the text world with dating. So same kind of thing is somebody that Instead of having an adult conversation, now sometimes they're not easy, but instead of just disappearing and giving the silent treatment because you'll have the infamous, well, you know why I'm mad at you. It's like, no, I don't. Can we have an adult conversation and clear the air and move on as opposed to both sides sticking in? And doing nothing or in the texting world and dating, they just disappear and you have no idea why. Right.
SPEAKER 01 :
And that's happened to you a couple of times and it perplexes me. So it ends up removing the person emotionally from the relationship you have with them. So it ends up just being like kind of this void, this nothingness. And then it leaves the person who's been ghosted, as you call it, feeling pretty empty and confused. So I don't like that one. And then this one. Seeking attention by complaining. My mom is the queen of this. And I would say like, how do you find that one little sliver of in the perfect day, like the best day ever, as they say in the Barbie movie, the best day ever. How do you find that sliver of complaint? But I think she gets attention by complaining. And I do have a couple of friends like that, that just that's how they get attention. And it's to me one of the worst ways to get attention.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, nobody wants to be around a whiner. And unfortunately with their family, we seem to have this preconceived notion that we're stuck with them and we have to put up with their bad behavior. And the answer is no, we can choose not to want to be around them at all or we limit our time around there. Because when you've got someone that sucks the energy out of you, and like you said, they can find 99 out of 100 things are perfect. What are they complaining about the one thing? It's like, oh, come on. You know, they just got to lighten up, Francis, is what we're doing like this.
SPEAKER 01 :
Come on. All right, here's another one. Using subtle, and this is, okay, we right now have three teenagers in the house, and I was watching this sketch the other day, and the woman was saying that she thinks that teenage girls become kind of hateful because they... Um, God is trying to get you to let them go that, you know, God knows that you're going to grieve them going off to college or leaving the home. So if he can make them kind of hateful, then you, you miss them less. And that made me laugh. And she said, but I don't blame my daughter. You know, during that phase, she had a lot on her, like, like, you know, she had to like unload the dishwasher.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, tragic. So anyway, you had to take out the garbage, too.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I mean, that was that was part of her joke. You know that she had a lot on or should unload the dishwasher. That's why these teens are so. So anyway, here it says frequent. OK, these hateful gestures, frequent name calling. Eye rolling, my youngest daughter gives the side eye to her dad a lot. Belittling, mockery, childish threats, rude teasing. In whatever form, gestures like these are poisonous to a relationship because they convey hate. Or I would say they would convey disdain or dislike. And it's really difficult to resolve a relationship issue when you use those types of communication.
SPEAKER 03 :
I would agree. And matter of fact, this is the one thing that I have enjoyed about not having Zoom calls in some of my faculty meetings that we can only be there to watch because they cannot see the eye rolling in my face when something is said and I'm trying to be professional and I'm eye rolling. Even though we say nothing in the meetings, no one ever sees us and we can have those facial expressions that, oh, I've done that. That's a big one for me I got to be careful about. But I will like, oh, dear God, you know.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 01 :
You know, I have a feeling you and I might both be multitaskers and multitasking while engaging with people is super rude and really makes them feel diminished and not important. And my son was dating this girl or hanging out with her, I guess I would say. And she was on her phone all the time. And he's like, why can't she put her phone down? I mean, it's really offensive. I don't know why. Oh, she broke up with him via text message, too. So, you know, that she was she's very into the phone.
SPEAKER 03 :
New normal. And I think that's the coward way of dealing with emotions, by the way. Yeah. I received a my services are no longer needed. Pink slip is what we call it via text as opposed to somebody calling me on the phone for a long term employee going. I knew the outcome. It wasn't going to change it, but they don't want to have that ability of having emotionally laden conversations. And having to do it face to face because the text is easier. That's why ghosting is so easy. I don't have to bother with you. I'm not going to get involved with having to deal with the drama. I just don't talk to you. And then problem over. But what they don't realize is that the problem may be over in that moment. But that problem continues because you bring yourself to all the other future relationships. So you're going to keep pissing people off unless you change your behavior.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, and I think, too, that, right, it's that ripple effect. You treat someone like that, and those ripples go out into the world, and they end up coming back at you. And then you also will, because of your poor communication skills, will reap the not benefit of someone treating you the same or in a poor manner because you're not a good communicator.
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We bring ourselves to work, don't we? Yeah, it's horrible when they realize going, well, it may not have been them. It may have been you. And if you're doing the same techniques and wondering, well, you know, people just don't like me really well. It's like, huh? I wonder why that is. We might want to think about this.
SPEAKER 01 :
This is this is another one, Cheryl, that I get with the teenage girls. De-emphasizing compliments, you know, if you compliment them or fishing for more. And I don't think they're fishing per se with self-effacing remarks. Like teenage girls have this habit of saying so they don't seem like they're bragging or that they're full of themselves. So they're like, oh, I'm not good at that or always mess up at that or, oh, I don't like this or my hair doesn't look good or blah, blah, blah. and i don't think with my older daughter i don't think she's fishing for compliments and i've even told her during lessons when she's working with a private coach on like her volleyball that she can't be so negative and like oh i'm terrible at that or i just can't get that i'm like if you don't believe in yourself why would the coach believe in you and why are you being this self-effacing of these remarks that i think that these teen girls get in the habit of doing this Oh, I look terrible today or I just threw this on at the last minute or I didn't even do my makeup or I couldn't I didn't have time to dry my hair. No, it doesn't look good. And it's like they all do it. These teenage girls. It's kind of weird to me that they I think they're trying to prove they're not full of themselves or they're not conceded by putting themselves down. But with a coach, it does not work.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, and I think that's the hard part we need to teach them is how do you be honest when you cannot sit there and have that, oh, my gosh, I just don't look too good, other than say, you know what, I really struggled with my hair, and just have an observational, not a judgmental comment. That's really the distinguishing we're trying to make. And it's not easy, but we don't want to come off as the, you know, the, oh, my God, kind of a, you know, braggadocious, I guess is the word.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
We don't have those skills.
SPEAKER 01 :
And what's wrong with just saying thank you?
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. You know, it's a friend of mine actually go through class once and she had to learn how to take compliments. And I said, How hard is that? She goes, Let me try it. I'm like, Oh, point taken.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
So it is a skill that we have to learn how to be able to do that. So I think that's definitely something worth exploring. Again, just another skill set. Let's read the directions. Let's practice the skills. Let's not keep doing the same things over and over. and expecting different results because it's not just teenage girls we create those habits as teenagers but we maintain them as adults and that's the sad part
SPEAKER 01 :
That's so true. All right, two quick ones. We only have a minute left. Holding the past against someone that has been allegedly forgiven. I think that's big as a Christian. If you've forgiven someone, you've got to let it go. And then number nine is what I was talking about, about my mother-in-law. Emotional blackmail happens when you apply an emotional penalty against someone if they don't exactly do what you want them to do. We have to we have to stop doing that because what they're trying to do is they're changing someone's behavior against their will by removing their love from that person. So not good. All right, Dr. Cheryl Lentz. She helps you write books. She is a professor. She is a musician. She is an adventurer. How do people get in touch with you, Cheryl?
SPEAKER 03 :
Dr. Cheryl Lentz at gmail.com. Dr. Cheryl Lentz dot com. Easy peasy.
SPEAKER 01 :
Excellent. And you can find me at Angie Austin dot org. And that article is from that Web site that I use a lot that I really enjoy. Mark with a C. Mark and Angel dot com. Mark and Angel dot com. But thanks so much for listening to the good news. Thanks, Cheryl.
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You bet. Have a good one. Enjoy the eyes of summer.
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Angie Austin here with the good news, along with our friend, author Katie Millar-Wierig. Her book, Becoming a Mean Teen Parenting Machine, a step-by-step guide to transform your relationship with your teenager. And since I've got three of them and she's got plenty of kids as well, we have a lot in common. Welcome back, Katie.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, thank you. I'm so happy to be back.
SPEAKER 01 :
All right, you and I were discussing in the break just being a good example to our kids that in sports we run into some poor examples for kids, even parents who get into repeated issues where they're repeatedly kicked out of games, et cetera, in tournaments. Even my daughter's basketball team in particular, we see this. But you also mentioned that there is this desire, and I think this is very timely for you to say to me and hopefully some of you listening about – Holding back on that urge to get involved and try to, quote unquote, I'm using air quotes here, solve our kids' problems, because my experience is I've pretty much always made it worse. The two times that I distinctly remember trying to get involved.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. And here, as we were talking, it made me think of. of why we as parents over-involve ourselves anyway. So let's talk specifically sports. So a parent who becomes very involved in the game, becomes emotional, and then gets in the car with the child and feels the need to berate the child or say, you've got to do it differently, you've got to do this, instead of simply asking the child, did you have a good time? What were your goals? Did you achieve your goals? Not my goals as mom, but did you achieve your goals as an individual? And where this stems from is our own insecurity as parents. And I don't think we see it as a reflection on ourselves when that's essentially what it is. What I've found is that the parents who have had experiences in their life that have made them, helped them to fulfill that aspect of their life. Let's say, so for instance, I was, as we've talked about in prior ones, I was Miss Utah on a top 10 contestant at Miss America. And I found that when my daughters would do things that would kind of go within that realm, I was totally laid back. And I was like, it's fine. I've been there. I've done that. I know what can be gained from it. I want you to have your own independent experience because it really doesn't matter to me Whether you go all the way or you go, you know, you don't choose to do it at all. Conversely, I always wanted to be a vocalist. And and I had this desire to be a really good singer. But I found myself when my daughter was taking voice lessons and really developing this talent. I was like frantic, like you cannot quit. You cannot stop. You have to do this. And I was pushing her and I was eventually projecting my goals that were unfulfilled onto her.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, wow.
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That it stressed her out. So when we look at these parents who are getting involved in sports, I bet if we asked ourselves or these parents say, did you have a fulfilling sports career? And the parent might say, no, I tore my ACL, you know, and I never got to go all the way that I wanted to, or I never, my parents couldn't afford to put me in sports or something like that. And so the parent is projecting their own personal goals onto the game and onto their child. And so if you find that you are almost frantic towards your child's extracurriculars and their development, their grades or this or that, it's this feeling of, I didn't get into Harvard, but you can. You can fulfill that for both of us. And that is very unhealthy for the child because it takes away their desire and the reasons why they're doing it. They're now doing it for mom. They're doing it for dad. Instead of you looking at your child and saying, what's your goal with basketball? What's your goal with volleyball? What's your goal with music? And they say, I just want to have fun. And you say, that's okay. I can support fun. If they say, I want to go to a Division I school and want to do this, you can say, I can support that too because this is independently yours to own, and it is not ours. It is yours because in the end, your child will be the only one on the court. Your child will be the only one there experiencing these things, and us as parents will be on the sideline, and we need to recognize that that is our role now, and it's okay to step back, and it's okay to allow them to have that experience on their terms and not our terms.
SPEAKER 01 :
Why do we get so nutty? Like, I just realized as you're talking, my husband, who's 6'6", is a very good basketball player, but he was shorter and like a lot of these dads were kind of buddies when he was trying out for, I think it was like maybe the ninth, eighth or ninth grade team. He was in a private like Catholic school. Anyway, to make a long story short, they didn't pick him that year. They picked like some of their friends or the assistant coaches, kids or this, that and the other. So then the coach sees my husband like, you know, 10th, 11th, 12th grade senior year being, you know, well over six feet and says, why aren't you on our team? And he said, well, you cut me. And, you know. a lot of people know the story. I believe it's Michael Jordan who was cut off his team. And, you know, obviously, you know, he's one of the greatest ever. And I think it was Michael. And so that's a lesson in our family that we've talked about over and over again about not giving up. Like my son was cut from the baseball team and he tried out again. Like we don't let like embarrassment or humiliation or our ego get in the way of continuing to try for something. And I know the coach really admired him and it gets pretty competitive. And when you're in a school of three thousand kids the senior year, when there's like 10 or 12 kids on a team and they've got some of the like really amazing freshmen and sophomores and juniors on the team, they might only have four seniors on the team, you know. So it really starts getting more and more competitive out of a school that big. It's like a college, you know, like a. to get onto the team. So he tried again, and I know the coach admired him for going through all the winter training and months of training, and he didn't make it again, but he didn't care. Then he went off for volleyball, and he played all season on JV Volleyball. So we've just really taught them to not give up, but I do really think that what you're saying does really... resonate with me in that my husband says to me when I'm not as upset at a game as he gets when he grades Faith in the car on her basketball performance, and it's like an A through a whatever. And to get an A from him is very difficult. You have to have a really amazing game. So she gets a lot of B pluses and A minuses, and she's completely irritated. And so he says to me when I'm like, why can't we just cheer him on? Why can't we just encourage him? Why can't we just clap? you know and say wow you really put some effort in there and if you do want to criticize like her defense can you give her like five or six compliments on what she did do right before you give her that you know knife in the back about the defense or whatever it is you want to tell her about her shooting or whatever but he's like well she already knows what she did right i just need to tell her what we should do wrong i'm like no that's not the case because that's really detrimental to her self-esteem which she said these parents that have been yelling things from the sidelines about who she should pass to and this, that, and the other, that that's affecting her right now. She's like, I just got my confidence back, Mom. And then these parents are yelling things at me. And I'm like, they're irrelevant to your game, these parents that don't, half of them have never even played, you know, that think that they're experts from the sidelines. But, My husband then said to me, you're not invested like I am. I'm the one that takes them to the gym. I'm the one that lifts with them. I'm the one that does the cardio and the stair stepper with them. And I'm the one that gets up at 6 a.m. and goes to the basketball court every weekend so we can get in before the crowd so that She can do, you know, 200 three pointer shots or whatever every Saturday and every Sunday. And I'm the one helping out with coaching. So you're not invested like I am. And that's why I'm more critical than you are. And I'm thinking he's invested in yet another way that you just mentioned that he stopped playing when he probably could have gotten a college scholarship. He's very athletic.
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Well, and what we feel, and it's hard because, you know, today we're talking mostly about like the parents, not necessarily what we're doing for our kids, but having to take a look in the mirror and saying, ooh, am I maybe handling this a little unhealthily? All of these things that we're doing are coming from a place of love. And it's coming from us wanting to protect our children from something that we might have experienced that we haven't fully healed from. And so what we need to ask ourselves is, is there something that I haven't come to grips with? So maybe we had a self-esteem issue with sports and rather than heal from that and look back and say, wow, look how good it made me for this and this and this and see the good in it. We still feel like we need to write that wrong. And so we're writing it through our children. But in the process of doing that, sometimes we continue to create the problem. So with these like sports per se, We need to make sure that we look at it as what is the growth that's happening for my child? Not necessarily the result, but what's the growth and what do they need out of this? And often it is. us hindering that growth because we are trying to overprotect them from having these important life experiences that are going to make them better. I mean, could you imagine if, I mean, we have this wonderful story about Michael Jordan getting up and doing that again, but if his dad went in and, you know, offered some money or offered some stuff or did some things to get him back on the team or do whatever he needs to do, does Michael Jordan have that confidence that said, I earned this. I am here. I can do this on my own merit. Or is it, Daddy rescued me, and I still don't know if I deserve to be here. And so when we allow our kids, and that's one of the worries about parents even yelling on the sidelines, that takes away the confidence of the kid when they had a good decision that they made or a good play. The parent might say, see, I told you so. Do it my way. And in saying that, just to absolve ourselves, it also makes the child feel like I'm not capable of making these decisions. It still hurts their confidence in their own self. And they believe that, well, I'm only good because someone else has told me how to be good instead of feeling like I've earned this position. I am good. I can trust my intuition on the court. I can trust my intuition in school and in life because I've made these decisions. I've seen the consequences and this is what I want. And so especially as we talk about teenagers, it's just so important that we recognize that this is the goal of the teenage years. And as a parent, what we want is our child to be well-adjusted. We want them to have confidence. We want them to go into their adult life feeling like a million bucks. But often we undermine that without realizing we're doing it by becoming too involved in their success and their failures and wanting to fix every failure and wanting to take credit for every success. And in so doing, we take away that confidence in themselves that they are able to achieve their goals, and that's an important word, their goals on their terms. And we are essentially there for support, cheerleading, funding if needed, and, you know, driving and all these things. But in the end, it is their goal and their life, and they get to dictate how that works. I mean, not as a 13-year-old, but that's the goal is to get them to that point where they can be independent.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, and I think that we also were talking about parents' interference in their issues and that part of what's going on right now, the way you explained it to me, is that they're not trying to be disrespectful. They're trying to become independent because within the next few years, they will need to be. And so we need to allow them to solve their issues. And I did have a mom that wanted to get in the middle of an issue. And she got really upset with me because I said, you know, I've tried this in the past and it didn't work. I know the girls will work it out. So then she and I became not friends. And guess what? The girls worked it out and they're like really good friends. So then I'm, of course, running into the mom all over the place. And so I just had to do the olive branch because I thought, well, she must feel so uncomfortable because... She was upset that I didn't want to get in the middle of all of this. And she thought I wasn't being like helpful when really I knew they'd make up. They liked too many of the same things and have known each other way too long and are both so good at what they do that I knew they'd be friends again. And now they're really good friends. So when I bumped into the mom, I thought... Well, I have to figure out how to make this right because she obviously feels extremely uncomfortable around me. She wouldn't even look at me. And I always really liked her. So I thought, well, I got to fix this because these kids have four more years of school together and playing on teams together. So I did and we're fine again. But I just it's such a slippery slope. I know she meant well, but I have not had success in that arena. And my both of our kids are extremely smart, too. They're like honor students. So I thought they could do a better job of fixing it than we could.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and if the goal as a parent is to build confidence and independence in your teenager, then we have to allow them the space to be able to do that. And the confidence that your daughter built in repairing a relationship knows that when something else happens like that in the future, she has the skills and the confidence to know, I can manage this and I can navigate it. And one of the best things I've heard of parenting, I'll have to bring up the person who said, I can't remember, but he said, we want our children to actually want us and not need us. You don't want your 30-year-old kid to need you. You want them to want to talk to you because they enjoy talking to mom because they need this, not because they need you and they can't function without you. And if we've created a dependency on ourselves where our children need us for the rest of their lives, then we haven't done our job.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, you're right. That is such great advice. Katie, give us your website.
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Yes, it is. You can see me at Instagram at The Balanced Mind Project or visit us at anxietyhealingprogram.com.
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Always the best advice, my friend. Thank you. God bless.
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Thank you. See you guys soon.
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Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.