On today's program: Andy Ogles, U.S. Representative for Tennessee's 5th District, discusses the latest from the House Financial Services Committee, the GOP retreat, and answers questions surrounding the FAA's authorization of the mysterious drone
Join Neil Boron, Bob Duco, and John Rush on this week's episode as they traverse the exciting terrains of NFL playoff detours and explore the policies being set forth by President Donald Trump. With talks of common-sense governance, the episode processes the early days of Trump's new presidency marked by the potential reclamation of previously sidelined policies. Deep insights into the deportation strategies and walls being rebuilt display Trump's focus on fortifying America both economically and socially. Plus, an in-depth segment on the current situation with Colombia highlights Trump's diplomatic tenacity and strong global stance.
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Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. We got the guys, of course. John Rush, Rush to Reason, Denver, Colorado. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live, Buffalo, New York. Myself, Bob Duco. Guys, how are you? Great, Bob. Well, not so great.
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How you doing there, Neil? Not so great.
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Hey, me too.
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It's like, no, it wasn't supposed to go this way. No. Bill's Lions would have been the game of the century. It would have had unbelievable viewership. I think literally people are not going to watch because they're so tired of the Chiefs thing.
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Yeah, that's me.
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Okay. Neil, I got to ask you what I asked John before we started recording. And by the way, I never in a million years thought that the Lions would be beat by the Redskins. And that's right. I'm calling them the Redskins. They're not the commanders to me. Personally, I think that I'll bet you sometime within the next 10 years, they're called the Redskins again. I wouldn't be a bit surprised. But anyway, I just didn't think that would happen. And the same thing with the Bills. But now that it is... KC and Philly. All right. KC does have a chance for a three-peat. That's never happened in the history of the NFL.
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Unless it doesn't.
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I'm with you, John. Neil, isn't there a case for going, okay, let's go ahead and at least have the Super Bowl be an historic Super Bowl? No. What's wrong with having a new dynasty and a three-peat that's never happened before? Bob, think with your brain, not your heart, bro. Seriously.
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Come on, man. Thank you. Thank you, Neil.
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Wow. Words I very rarely ever have to defend. Exactly. The good news is Bob does have a heart, John.
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He does.
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Yeah, he does. Hey, look, you find your truth, I find my truth, okay? That's your truth, this is my truth, all right?
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Really quick, Neil, this is a true NFC guy saying this.
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Oh, I know.
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If he was in the AFC, he wouldn't be saying this.
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Yeah, not at all. Not if you saw these guys on a regular basis. It's the evil empire, man. Bring them down. That's right. Thank you, Neil. For all that's good and right in the world, take them down.
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I'll tell you what. If Darth Vader wins two in a row, then it's like, all right, go for the three-peat. Okay, so I don't know. I like the idea of, okay, well then if it stinks because we didn't have who we wanted, then okay, let's at least have some history being made.
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Bob, you know what? Here's what you do. Forget about the Super Bowl. Just watch a Hallmark movie and everything. Yeah, there you go. Here we go.
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Okay, hey, just so you know, hate's not a family value. I'm going to get a bumper sticker. I'm going to get a coexist bumper sticker that has the Chiefs logo and the Lions logo and the Bills logo and all that kind of stuff and put it on the back of my car.
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This is wrong.
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We should, though, congratulate Crawford Corporate because they are definitely Eagle fans. So, guys, if you're listening, congratulations.
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Yeah, here we go. They got a chance to win another one.
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Hey, guys, why don't you trash the daylights out of the Eagles? Come on, let's go. Let's do it. I think Mr. Crawford's listening.
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Go ahead. You know what? If they can beat the Chiefs, I'm all in.
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Yeah, I'm a forever Eagles fan if they beat the Chiefs.
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Please do it. All right, well, I'm going out on a limb. I'm not a Chiefs fan, but because of the three-peat possibility, I'm rooting for the Chiefs. Bob, you're disappointing me. Well, those are my feelings. Don't invalidate them. Okay. Let's send him a teddy bear, John, seriously. Yeah, there we go. There we go, Neil. I want one from Vermont, okay? Actually, I need an emotional support puppy after the Lions lost, so... All right. This week we are going to know it's not going to be the sports show this week. We're going to talk about a few different things. First of all, Donald Trump's first full week in office. He's been a week and a half now and pushing two weeks. But some of the things that he's been doing so far, I mean, the arrest and deportations of illegal alien criminals. And yes, criminals. I'm also kind of curious what you guys think of Caroline Leavitt, the new press secretary. I thought she was pretty impressive. But he's rebuilding the border wall now, ending DEI and military and government, securing a trillion dollars in private investment into the U.S., reinstituting the Mexico City policy on abortion. So he has been so busy in this first week. But then we'll also get into talking about birthright citizenship. Is that unconstitutional to end that? Does the Constitution actually say that if you're born in the United States, you're automatically a citizen? End of discussion. Does it actually really say that? No, there's a caveat, and we'll debate that. And then if we get time, we'll get into some Bitcoin crypto discussions and, you know, how should Christians look at cryptocurrencies since Donald Trump has certainly gravitated to at large. Let's start with Trump's first week, though. And, Neil, if I could start with you, your thoughts. Well, I'll tell you what. Actually, tell you what I want to do. I'm going to start with you, John, instead first. Okay. Let's talk about the illegal alien criminals. And Caroline Leavitt, in talking with the media, she's like, no, they are criminals. You come here illegally, you committed a crime, okay? You're a criminal. And there is this assumption, John, that because the liberal left and the media says, no, this is a civil infraction, therefore it's not accurate to call them criminals. No, if you violate the law, if you violate federal law, then you have committed a federal crime. Just because the left tries to use the semantics of it's not really a crime. Well, yes, it is. And so I'm glad that she's reclaiming Webster's Dictionary.
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I wish you'd even add to that that, you know, this whole narrative over the past, gosh, guys, decade, decades, plural, where we've tried to change that into, you know, migrants or, in other words, changing the name. Undocumented. what you're talking about. And I wish there, and maybe she will, most likely will at some point, I wish she'd come out and basically say that. It's like, you know, because of you guys, the press, and a lot of the folks on the left, we have even relabeled these individuals and not really talking about what they really are and what they've really done. And the reality is we need to start calling it what it is. They're here illegally. We're all for legal immigration. Let's do it correctly. You guys know my thoughts on that. It needs a revamp. I think we need a merit-based system. Not sure that that's on the table with Trump. I hope it is. Regardless, at the end of the day, you cannot cross the border and just waltz on in.
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You can't. And by the way, you know, John, I played on my show here in Detroit. I played an audio clip of somebody saying in 2009 when Barack Obama was president, this somebody said – When we call them words like undocumented, OK, then we're giving justification for their coming here illegally. No, they are illegal. OK, they are illegal aliens and they cannot come into this country legally. They are illegal. And so it's like, who said that? That was Chuck Schumer. who said he went on this big rant about, stop calling them words like undocumented, okay? They are illegal aliens. They are here illegally. Bill Clinton in his 1995 State of the Union address, you can watch the video of this, he stood up calling them illegal aliens and said they are illegal aliens, and they are here illegally, and they must go because they're taking jobs away from our people here in the United States. And when he said that, You watch the video. He got a standing ovation. Both sides, Republicans and Democrats, stood up and gave him a standing ovation. This is what's happened to today's Democrat Party. This is how radical and extreme they've become. Caroline Levitt's absolutely right. And let me ask you about this. Neil, because first of all, I want to get your take on this and Caroline Levitt and, of course, the deporting of the illegals and getting back to calling them illegals. But before you do that, talk to us a little bit about SunPowerLED because we very much appreciate the sponsors to this podcast. We appreciate that. We want our listeners to support these sponsors. And with SunPowerLED, it's really a win-win because our listeners are helping themselves, too.
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Yeah. No doubt about it. And I really think that this first week of Trump's presidency has been marked by collective sighs of relief all over the country where people are feeling like people are that somebody is finally dealing with common sense again, that we've gotten back to what makes sense. And, you know, RFK is going to be. We're recording this on Wednesday morning. He's going through his confirmation hearings and everybody's going to be going after him who can go after him. He's Trump's appointment to lead health and human services. But he's a guy that says, listen, big pharma doesn't have your best interest at heart. They're out to make money. They're a drug company. They want to keep you on drugs and keep you on drugs for the rest of your life. Right. There is a possibility that the federal government and Big Pharma in the past have kind of held hands together to make this about profit and not actually the health of the American people. Well, red light therapy from SunPower LED can actually heal you of... All kinds of problems. I mean, there's arthritis that people are dealing with. There's post-surgical injuries, migraine headaches, and we'll talk more about it later in the podcast. But the bottom line is relief is available by using the very light God himself created. Learn about it. Go to sunpowerled at crawfordmediagroup.net. Sun, S-U-N, power, L-E-D at crawfordmediagroup.net.
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They all should go. Yeah, and I don't know if you saw the Selena Gomez thing, you know, bawling her eyes out about all the babies that are going to be harmed by this, the children, etc. They were rounding up gang members, thugs, criminals, people that have committed crimes in other countries who also committed a crime by coming to our country illegally. And so when I mentioned the collective sigh of relief, I just personally in my own heart felt like, wow, somebody's finally doing something about this. And there were a variety of other things that we'll talk about as the podcast goes on. But I think, you know, this common sense revolution, as they termed the new Trump presidency, is where the American people are at. And we're tired of living the way that we were living. And, you know, just one quick example. I live in a neighborhood. That's very middle class, suburban, outside Buffalo, near the University of Buffalo. Beginning to become more multicultural, but it's just kind of your average American suburb. Just down the road from me, though, they put in a group home a few years ago. And it ministers to the needs of people that have developmental disabilities. Okay. Well, you know, everybody says that's a great thing. We should have homes where you deal with people that have developmental disabilities, give them opportunities to live together, work productively. Some of them go to jobs, you know, whatever. And they walk through our neighborhood and we've gotten to know some of them. But the point is... Man, you say you're bringing one of these things into our neighborhood, and all of a sudden people show up at the town board meeting complaining like, okay, yeah, well, these things are great, but not where I live. How many people want criminals from other countries living next door to them? Because that's exactly what this illegal immigration thing, the crisis at the southern border, has fostered. And the American people didn't want it. Some polls said it was the number one issue. It outpaced the economy. And it actually propelled Trump to victory. I think people want common sense. They want the criminals to go home. And we're not talking about four-year-olds. We're talking about criminals who are part of violent drug gangs and are bringing fentanyl into our country. Get them out and keep up the good work. I'm very impressed by what's happened so far.
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Hey, John, I'm also curious to get your take on, as part of the deportations that Trump is doing, what happened with Colombia. I mean, this was really a remarkable thing to see, that the president of Colombia comes out and tries to stand up to Donald Trump, tries to play hardball with him, says, we're not letting your planes land. Trump, as you know, came out and said, all right, guess what, everybody? Colombia, you got a 25 percent tariff on all Colombian products coming into the U.S. Oh, and by the way, after one week, that goes up to 50 percent. And here's the other steps that we're taking as far as government officials rescinding visas. And we're going to look to closing the Colombian embassy in the U.S. And I mean, just starts. And by the way, this would. have such financially destroyed Colombia to have these tariffs, to not be able to export products to the U.S., it was only within a few hours that he basically went, okay, just kidding. Yeah, you can land. Then he still tried to talk tough to save face, but the bottom line is like, okay, you know, yeah.
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One hour.
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You can go ahead and adopt them. Not one day.
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It was one hour. I was thinking it was like two or three.
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One hour. Wow. John, that is a display of strength on the world stage. That's the huge contrast between him and Biden.
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Yeah, because all Trump had to do was rattle off a few things that we as a country could do to them. And literally, within one hour, this guy's thinking – which, by the way, smart guy at least. I mean, at least he's thinking to himself, ooh, wow. That's probably not the right play here. I guess we should probably, you know, let's reverse that and let's play ball like we need to because otherwise this could get really damaging to us.
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This guy is not Biden.
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Exactly, exactly.
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Hey, by the way, can I clarify something just in case? Yeah. Because I don't know, when I talked about the group home in our neighborhood, I was in favor of it. Just, you know, we embrace that kind of thing. So just to be clear, and there are people that embrace that, but the average homeowner, Just listen to what happens at a town board meeting when you say that something like that is going to come into your neighborhood. All of a sudden, these people that care about all these wonderful lovey-dovey values say, not in my neighborhood, not near my property, and they change their tune. Well, most of the people that are saying, oh, yeah, the border is not a real big problem. I don't really care about that, until you find out. You've got a gang member living next door to you. all of a sudden the attitude changes and i think the american people have having seen a number of murders and other crimes committed by the people who already committed crimes to get here they're right waking up to the reality that this is a problem and it needs to be dealt with and there's breathing a sigh of relief that trump's taking care of it that's the point i was trying and really quick and i know you don't want to back up either uh but neil you brought up some some great points and i think some of that by the way a fact that people really are paying attention and
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One of the biggest reasons why, you know, Donald Trump is president of the United States today. We saw what happened here in Aurora just this last weekend, where, by the way, in our you guys don't see it this way because, you know, not everybody sees everything outside of a state news wise. But, you know, keep in mind here in Colorado, we had our governor. We had all sorts of other elected officials. We had folks from Aurora. We had Aurora PD, mayor, city council, a lot of the news stations here in the Denver area, basically saying all of us as conservatives talking about this apartment building taken over by this gang, the things that were going on in Aurora, the fact that this illegal activity was even going on in these really rough, let's face it, these are like the baddest of the bad gang members areas. from, you know, that area were here doing what they were doing. And we basically got poo-pooed and told, yeah, you guys are crazy. You don't know what you're talking about. They downplayed that thing so big until last Sunday. Yeah, it's a good point.
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You know, I'm curious, too. The border wall is being rebuilt now. The Trump administration put out images of panels being put back up. Gaps are being closed. Okay, fine. The Marines working on it, by the way. I know. But you know what's interesting about this, John, is that I'm wondering where the outrage from the left and from the media is. Because when Trump was trying to build the wall in his first term, all we heard was countless meltdown of cliches like we need to build bridges, not walls. That's racist. That's xenophobic. You know, whatever. We heard that repeatedly. There was just shock and outrage, which we know was a lie from them because those very same Democrats previously during Obama's term, funded border wall building. So they just acted like they were outraged by this. But now it's the very same wall being put up by the very same Donald Trump. Yet we're not seeing a bunch of shock and outrage from the liberal left over this. So whatever happened to a wall is an evil thing. Whatever happened to let's build bridges, not wall. Why are we not hearing any of these cliches right now? They're just kind of talking about other things while Trump quietly does this.
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I think it's because they're up against the reality that the American people have seen the light. It was like they were all for telling us that Joe Biden was perfectly fit to serve as president until we all saw that he wasn't. And I just think people in America, by and large, not everyone for sure, there's some radical fringe groups that still think an open border would be a great idea. But the average American has now seen that this is real and crimes like the one John just talked about in Aurora, Colorado, are actually happening and more are going to happen. And who knows, you know, what other terrorists have walked into our country who are part of sleeper cells and who knows what's being planned. But the effort is to root these people out. And I think the vast majority of the American people see it as a common sense act. And you can't raise an argument against that. People are seeing it with their own eyes and they know it makes sense.
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Right, absolutely. So Trump has been super busy in this first week. I mean, my goodness, the stuff that he's got done. You've got 7,300 illegals deported in just the first week alone. He's shooting for a goal right now of 1,200 to 1,500 a day. But I've got to imagine Tom Homan is like, that's too small of a number.
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Bob, I want to add to that, too, because there will be some folks out there that will tell you, well, you know, behind the scenes, the Biden regime, they were deporting illegal aliens as well and this, that, and the other. And the reality is I highly doubt that they're the same type of illegal aliens that were going back. And I think it's really important to shine light on the fact that Donald Trump is sending back the baddest of the bad, not just any illegal. Right.
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There's something else that Trump, I think he deserves a lot of credit for, and of course the press isn't going to give this to him, but that's the amount of investment into the United States that he's been securing. Look, any governor of any state, one of the things a lot of people don't know about governors is that their job is to convince governors. businesses, including foreign businesses, to invest in their state. Hey, build a plant in our state. Build this in our state. Hire people in our state. That's why governors actually will go on international trips because they're salespeople. They're trying to bring business to their state, while Trump on a national level He got he's he's had now close to a trillion dollars in investments into in proposed investments now into the United States from this Japanese billionaire from the from Saudi Arabia as well. And I got it. John, you're a businessman. OK, you've owned businesses for years. You run employees for years there. To me, this is a huge thing that Donald Trump has been able to secure this because, you know what, it's not a trillion dollar infrastructure plan of taxpayer money. It's a trillion dollar tech technology infrastructure plan from private money and from other countries that are outsourcing their jobs to the United States. How in the world can that not be celebrated?
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It should be because it's directly opposite of what we typically see where companies will offshore and send things out of the country to get things done. And as you guys know, what that does, of course, is it drains the economy of the U.S. to a degree, and it helps out other entities just like this is in reverse. To your point, Bob, these are other entities. other countries, other entities that are now going to bring their resources, their dollars, if you would, here, invest it here. And as you guys all know, I hate to use the word trickle-down economics, but the reality is it's true. I mean, the trickle effect of them coming in here and doing whatever it is they're going to do, building plants, building this, building that, just the investment alone, you know, that ripple effect that goes out into all sorts of other industries, which, you know, we could talk a little bit about what happened even on Monday with, you know, China's AI, you know, situation, which, by the way, I think is total BS, but that's another conversation maybe for another podcast. And I think more of that will come out in the weeks ahead. But the reality is all of that type of investment and And even the brick and mortar that comes from all of that at the end of the day definitely helps out the economy. No, I know. I know.
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Continue in the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with Neil Boron. Neil Boron live out of Buffalo. We didn't make it to the Super Bowl, New York. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Bob, let's just don't talk about the Lions Duco here out of Detroit. Guys, we've been talking about Trump's first week. Let's shift it to the birthright citizenship discussion right now. And I want to give you some of my thoughts on this, first of all. We have been told by the liberal left and by much of the media and the Democrats that what Donald Trump is doing is absolutely unconstitutional. A judge has blocked this already. The Supreme Court is going to have to decide. But it's just not true that the 14th Amendment... only says anybody born in the United States is automatically a U.S. citizen. End of discussion. What it actually says is all persons are naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens. So now, what does it mean, and are subject to the jurisdiction thereof? Now, the liberal left, what they're saying is, Well, that means that if they're here in the United States, even though they may be here illegally, they're subject to our laws. That means that they're subject to our jurisdiction. And so, therefore, that means our children will automatically be citizens. That's how they're interpreting that. The conservatives are saying, no, what that means is that if you're born in another country, You still owe your allegiance and subject to the jurisdiction of your original country. OK, that's what that's referring to. So now the question is, which constitutional legal scholars are right? I would argue the conservative legal scholars are right in this. And I'll tell you why. Just some basic common sense. And I'm not even a lawyer. OK, but let's think about this logically for a moment. If this was saying any human being born on U.S. soil under any circumstances is automatically a U.S. citizen, if that's what they meant by that, what is the purpose of even saying and subject to the jurisdiction thereof? Why not just say anyone born in the United States is a citizen? End of discussion. No, this was an 1868 argument. ratifying of the 14th Amendment, and it was for the purpose of addressing slavery. Because slaves that were here, most of the slaves that were here, were children of previous slaves that were here, who were children of previous slaves that were here, and they didn't have automatic citizenship. This was a way to rectify this for the slaves to say, you know something, you are U.S. citizens, you were born here, you're U.S. citizens. Otherwise, if this applied to anybody and everybody, there'd be no reason to have a caveat in there. And I'll take it even a step further. In 1866, you had a Civil Rights Act that the 14th Amendment played off of. And that specifically said all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power. So that's what the framers of the 14th Amendment were thinking. And I can tell you right now... That if you look at the people that are born in the United States right now, children born to diplomats here in the United States, they're not U.S. citizens. And no Democrats complain about that. Nobody says, wait a minute, that's a violation of the 14th Amendment. No. If you're a diplomat and you're here because you owe allegiance to a foreign country, you are not a U.S. citizen here. And as a matter of fact, I'll take it one step further. Native Americans, the Indians, I'm sorry, the commanders in this country, do you know that the 1924 Indian Citizenship Act specifically said that if children are only made citizens through the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, And so, therefore, you're okay. You can be citizens now. What's the purpose of that if the 14th Amendment was automatically a blanket for everybody born here in the United States? Congress recognized Indians born here in this country – They don't get automatic citizenship because the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to them. And that's why that was added. And one final thing, 1872, the slaughterhouse case, it specifically decided, and this was the Supreme Court making clear that, quote, the subject to the jurisdiction thereof excludes children unmarried. of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign states born within the United States. So I'm telling you, Trump and his legal team is on solid ground and precedent to say you don't automatically get citizenship if your parents happen to be here illegally. All right, that's a mouthful, but now I'd kind of like to throw it around the table a little bit. John, your thoughts on birthright citizenship?
SPEAKER 02 :
Bob, I'm not a constitutional expert by any stretch of the imagination, although I think if you look back to a lot of the things that you said and even our founders and what was going on at different times in the country and the things that they were trying to solve, I highly doubt if any of them were around today, they would agree with this side that says, well, they're born here, they're automatically citizens. I just don't see that anywhere in the makeup of the country and what the design was initially, Bob.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know. And, you know, Neil, this is this is something that so many people have just been told this lie that the 14th Amendment makes it crystal clear. There's no debate. If you're born on U.S. soil, then you're automatically a citizen. Well, that's just not true. But it's amazing how many people believe that myth and even constitutional lawyers on the left. are saying, yep, that's clearly what it says. But I have yet to have one of them explain to me, then why did you have the Indian Act of 1924? What was the purpose of that? Why have the 1872 ruling as well? None of these make any sense if that's what the 14th Amendment was intended to mean.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I, you know, the bottom line is, Bob, most people have never even read the Constitution of the United States. And I think what you're referring to as prevalent in the U.S. is the idea that there's been this common understanding, albeit, excuse me, misunderstanding of what this actually applies to. And I think Donald Trump is brilliant for, you know, going after this. I mean, if he believes that this thing is not being interpreted correctly, then go after it. come out with an executive order. He's not a dummy. He's got legal people around him. And they say, you know, people are going to push back. I think immediately, like, 22 states, you know, filed lawsuits. And constitutional lawyers on the left are saying this is blatantly unconstitutional. Okay, so what happens then? Well, it gets fought out in the courts and eventually ends up at the U.S. Supreme Court. And then somebody takes a real look at what this is from a constitutional perspective and rules on it. And it's very possible that the U.S. Supreme Court, given the makeup of the court now and their adherence to the fidelity of the original document, like what was the original meaning of this, may land exactly the way that you just described and rectify the situation and help the American people understand what was actually intended when this amendment was passed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. So, all right. So this is not some kind of a... you know, cruel thing where we're being really unfair to the people, you know, to the dreamers, the ones that are born here from their parents. By the way, the gals on The View and my own governor here, Gretchen Whitmer, they were actually saying yesterday on The View that this is about Donald Trump targeting brown people. Oh, my word.
SPEAKER 03 :
What's his name? Al Sharpton was saying the same thing. I know. It's like, this is...
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Absolutely. So let's, in our last part of the podcast here, let's shift the discussion over to Bitcoin, crypto, things like that. You know, we've talked about this a little bit last week even, but Donald Trump, of course, embracing cryptocurrency. He even has his name attached to a new Trump coin meme that's out there now. But Bitcoin does seem to be, and this digital currency does seem to be, a technological wave of the future. And so what's going to happen with this? There's a debate among Christians about whether Bitcoin is right. Should Christians even participate in this? And two of the big criticisms I've heard, and Neil, let me ask you about this first of all, from kind of a spiritual and theological perspective, I suppose. Number one, Bitcoin is used for evil purposes. We know that. A lot of people use it for money laundering and illegal activities, of course, and corruption. And we also know that it's probably the kind of technology that the Antichrist would use to get us more toward a cashless society. But at the same time, I also know that the Internet is used for evil purposes by criminals. And my best guess is that there's a lot of technology, including credit cards, that's probably going to be used by the Antichrist to usher us toward a cashless society. So to me, I don't see... Bitcoin or AI or any other types of advanced technology, I don't see these as intrinsically good or bad. I see them as being used for good or bad. So for that reason, I don't have any qualms about Christians owning cryptocurrency. And quite frankly, I own some. But your thoughts, Neil?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, police officers use guns to protect the innocent. Criminals use them to kill the innocent. And, you know, you can use a knife to cut a steak or to stab your neighbor. I mean, anything can be used for evil. Let's keep that in mind. And I'm not very... attuned to what Bitcoin technology, cryptocurrency is all about. But I do know this, Bob, everything, every technological advance in human history in some fashion will probably end up being used in some way by the Antichrist. I mean, if the Antichrist gets in a car and drives from point A to point B, you know, the round wheels that got him there. We're a development of technology at some point along the way. Electricity, facial recognition technology, fingerprinting, all of it. The bottom line is anything can be used for evil, and I think the potential's there. What I really wouldn't want to see happen is for people to go off the rails and all of a sudden assume that, like me, something they don't understand is something to fear because that means if I don't understand it, I can't wrap my brain around it. Well, this is it. This is what the Antichrist is going to use to usher in the end times and the mark of the beast, and all of us are going to go off the rails, and Christians are going to all of a sudden be pledging allegiance to Satan. That will not happen. The Holy Spirit living within the believer is the one that gives discernment. Now, could it be a part of it? Yeah, it probably could. But pay attention, because when the moment comes where this crosses the line from a potential good device or, you know, thing to an evil thing, the Holy Spirit will be sending off warning bells, and the Word of God can lead us and guide us through these things. I don't see any reason to fear it. That's all I'm saying. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
What is your take in a general sense on cryptocurrency, on Bitcoin itself, Jonathan?
SPEAKER 02 :
It's one of those developing resources, I guess you could say. And I think even Donald Trump has changed his tune on that since about 2019, 2020. And is it for everybody? No. Is it a wave of the future? And could you potentially see more digitation of other types of assets and so on? I think one of... Trump's executive orders is right along those lines. You know, what can we as a country do to maybe go in that direction? As you know, Bob, the advantages to crypto is, of course, the blockchain technology where you know exactly what's happened all along the way. There's no discrepancies. There's no wondering, you know, where did this money come from? Things along those lines. Again, that can be done in other various ways, and by the way, is being done in other ways with other types of digital things that we have as well. So to your point, no, do I see this as any kind of ushering in of the end times? No, it's a progression of technology. To your point, Neil's point, technology will always be used down the road for good or bad. it just depends on how that tool quote unquote is being used uh am i a big player in it no i own a little bit i'll play around with some just to kind of see what it does one way or the other i am not heavily invested my biggest fear still when it comes to the crypto end of things is number one which one's going to stand out and be number one when it's all said and done because that alone could could crush or cripple some of the others i just don't see down the road there being multiples of these where there is at the moment and what's going to be the leader when it's all said and done and what becomes the the trading dollar if you would when it's all said and done and will they even digitize the u.s dollar at some point and by the way if that happens i hate to say but bitcoin and some of the others probably devalue immensely when and if that happens
SPEAKER 04 :
If the U.S. dollar gets digitized?
SPEAKER 02 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
So I suppose that could cause... Only because the U.S.
SPEAKER 02 :
dollar is backed by something where none of the other cryptos are. Right. True, but... And really quick, that's been my issue with crypto in the first place is what's it backed with? Faith. Faith in that you can now trade with these things and yes, they go up and down and there's a value difference and so on. But at the end of the day... What's it backed with? Nothing. At least a dollar is backed with U.S. assets.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Well, I mean, what's a Honus Wagner baseball card? Why is that worth millions of dollars? Because somebody's willing to pay for that. Right. And so even if it's phantom currency, if you will, as long as other people are willing to buy it and trade it, You know, it's like playing chess without a board, okay? It doesn't matter. As long as the other person is interacting with you about where the pieces are, it's actually really a game being played. But you bring up an interesting point. If the U.S. dollar were actually digitized... So I'm not I'm not sure, though, that the U.S. dollar could. And I know this is really getting inside.
SPEAKER 02 :
It already is a big way if you think about it. If anybody out there thinks that the amount of currency that we have physical dollars running around the country is anywhere close to the amount of currency that is in.
SPEAKER 04 :
is in processes in play in the economy our actual cash is way way way less than the actual money in the market yeah i mean just a couple percentage points i mean it's like two or three percent or something of actual cash right but see i know and i know this i would certainly not qualify for treasury secretary because my knowledge of this is not nearly uh as high as this plus you know last time i checked i'm not gay i'm sorry i threw that in on the side he did get a Bessette did get confirmed, though, as Treasury Secretary. But no, I'm not—this is going to sound really weird, guys, but I'm not even sure that it matters that the U.S. dollar is backed by a physical asset. And I know that sounds strange, okay? But if people are willing to give perceived value to something and buy something and trade something— So what if it's backed? Even if the dollar completely collapses, it's like, okay, well, now everybody, whoever has physical gold and physical, okay, fine. But you don't think there's going to be people out there that, as far as cryptocurrency, is like, hey, don't worry about it. You can go ahead and order these pizzas using your Bitcoin app.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, but keep in mind, and again, like you, Bob, I'm not an expert in this, but... any means, although part of what keeps the dollar as strong as it is and keeps us strong in the world market is because of our strength as a nation, our economy. Even at times when we're not doing well, we're still the best when it's all said and done. And just the sheer backing of the U.S. economy and literally all of the assets that we have as a country is still there, where in a lot of these other ones, they are not.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I got a dumb question, because I have no clue.
SPEAKER 04 :
As long as you'll accept a dumb answer. I think we're all out of our wheelhouse here a little bit, but we're talking as laymen, so yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so there's an old lumber town north of Buffalo called North Tonawanda. And it's right along the Niagara River. But they have a crypto mining facility there. And it's some kind of an old warehouse where they put a bunch of servers on the inside and they're mining crypto. Now, okay, if you're mining gold or silver and you got huge machinery digging in the ground or drilling into rock, you can imagine it making a lot of noise. If this is... If this is just digital, in other words, it doesn't really exist. It's a concept or something. I don't even know how to describe it. Why would residents be complaining of noise? Apparently, these things are incredibly loud, these crypto mining facilities. But what are they mining? What are they mining other than... I actually...
SPEAKER 04 :
I actually do kind of know the answer to that, okay? Mining crypto actually takes a disproportionate amount of electricity to do.
SPEAKER 02 :
Correct. To run the GPUs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. And so since it requires such a high level of electricity, you basically need electricity generating plants. And so it's like if you lived very close to a giant electrical grid, you would hear the noise and the humming and the machinery that's operating the electrical generating machinery, whatever all of that is.
SPEAKER 02 :
And the fans too, Bob, if they're not run in a water cooling situation, which only the high-end units are, you're going to hear the fans running as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it's basically because it takes a very, very high disproportionate amount of electricity to do the mining that's done. And that's also why some of the environmentalist kind of people complain about
SPEAKER 02 :
you know oh this is you know it's depleting our resources or whatever it's like you know but really quick you know neil to answer your question what they're doing is through code and various things they're literally trying to mine the leftover crypto that's out there because every crypto has a finite amount that's there and they're literally quote unquote mining the rest of what's out there gotcha and that's that's the simplified version of saying it bob
SPEAKER 04 :
You bet. You bet. Absolutely. So, you know what? Who knows? We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens with that. As we kind of wind down the last part of this National Crawford Roundtable podcast, just want to remind everybody, if you haven't given to Preborn yet in this new year of 2025, please consider doing it now. Just go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn. You can give right there. If you can buy an ultrasound machine, please do it. They're $15,000 apiece. Nice tax write-off for you. Your forever legacy is you're stopping literally thousands and thousands of abortions, okay, year after year. And if you can't afford to do that, pay for an individual number of ultrasound images. Pray. Ask the Lord to put a number on your heart. Maybe it's, you know, 10 babies' lives you save. Maybe it's 100 babies' lives you save. $28 is the cost to save one baby's life through ultrasound expense. So take $28 times fill in the blank. And whatever that number is, that's your life. forever legacy of the number of abortions that you stopped. So just go right now to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on pre-born, and don't forget, 100% of what you give goes to ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. Private donations cover overhead, so you don't have to worry about that. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. Also, you can give over the phone. They answer the phones 24-7. Call 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. Support Preborn. Support SunPower LED, Neal.
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Yeah, I know we're short on time. I just got to throw this out there because maybe we can talk about it some other time and I'll get to SunPower in one second. But did anybody see, I think this is a Trump effect factor again, but that the charges against David Daleiden in Florida, in California were dropped. Did you see that?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no, I did not see that. That was yesterday.
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Yeah, check it out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Kamala Harris is the one who originally opened up the investigation against him and then Xavier Becerra continued it on.
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Absolutely. We appreciate you folks supporting our sponsors. We appreciate you listening to this podcast. We appreciate your five-star reviews that you give us wherever you listen. And we always appreciate you tuning in. Looking forward to next week. It's John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York. Myself, Bob Duco, The Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. By next week, Neil and I will have fully and completely recovered from the trauma of our lines and bills.
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Dive into the dynamic world of talk radio with this special episode featuring veterans Mike Gallagher and Mark Davis. As they celebrate the continuing success of their morning segment, they engage in humorous and heartfelt conversations about everything from vacations to their mutual love for the broadcast world. During their dialogue, the duo tackles the latest incidents in political drama with sharp wit, shedding light on how family loyalties, like those in the Kennedy clan, shape public perception. This gripping discussion also takes listeners into the press world with reviews of new developments in government communications and reflections on past struggles. To round out the episode, there are insightful health discussions, ensuring listeners walk away with both laughter and contemplation. Whether you're a seasoned listener or tuning in for the first time, this episode promises a compelling mix of tradition, modernity, and insightful storytelling.
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Mike Gallagher. Every day, Mike visits with Mark Davis. Morning host on 660 AM, The Answer in Dallas. Here's today's M&M experience.
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History is being made today. Yes, we're streaming the Eminem Experience, the Mark Davis, Mike Gallagher morning visit, live on X at Gallagher Show. And they see our happy faces talking to each other. And for people just watching for the first time, this segment, how many years have we done this now?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I walked into this room 12 years ago, 13 years ago in June. Okay. And here's what's funny. The history is kind of interesting because it just kind of made sense. We knew each other, sort of, kind of, right? Right. And your show came on right after mine immediately. Right. And it still does. And so we thought, I think we kind of gave birth to this. Why don't you pop on, give us a couple of things you're going to talk about, and it'll be a nice plug for your show. And Mike, for maybe, I don't know how long, might have been a year, the segment lasted About a minute or two or three. Can you believe that? Us restrained to that kind of time? And then I think it got to be about we're having so much fun. I said, man, let's fatten this up to about, you know, four or five. Now it's pretty well the entire half hour from 730 to 8 because doggone it, America wants more.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and again, for people new to this on X, and this is pretty fun. I mean, I just started streaming my show on X a week or two ago, and we get a couple thousand, few thousand people watching and listening. It's kind of fun. It's because a lot of people are on X now religiously. Now, for new members of our audience on X, Mark Davis is... is a legendary talk show host in texas you've been in the market for decades um and the the big boys you know you got too big for them so so so you parted ways with the with with the other talk station and 660 am the answer wisely snatched you up like you said 12 or 13 years ago But but this segment, which we've now christened the Eminem experience, has become a real fan favorite. People really love. I mean, I hear all the time. I'll bet once a week I'll get a note from somebody who says, I literally sit in the car before I go into work to hear you and Mark. I love something about this. It's just and it's all organic. We didn't really intend it to be this way. Like you said, it started out organic. a minute or two plug for my show, and then we enjoy each other so much we've become fast friends. And, you know, you and Lisa and Ethan and I, we've traveled to Guatemala for Food for the Poor together. I continually try to talk you into taking cruises with us to Alaska or somewhere. Not probably going to happen, but I try. But this has just become a real joyful experience, and so I just drive it into work today. I called the team, and I said, guys, can we not put this thing up live on X? And they said, sure, why not?
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm looking at it right now. I guess just a handful of seconds of just a smidge of delay, but that's okay. Who cares? It's pretty live. It's close. At Gallagher Show on X. At Gallagher Show on X. Mike and Mark are live. There's our face on the left and mine on the right sitting here in our happy respective rooms.
SPEAKER 05 :
and then here we go so well it's no pressure what shall we look at this what shall we do today well we got a lot to do for the people but look at this it was in use since you said i'm looking at it live it went from 147 viewers because it gives you it tells you how many people are watching 354
SPEAKER 04 :
Look out. Trump could resign, and we're just going to count viewers for the next five minutes.
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370, 380.
SPEAKER 04 :
Move over, Megan Kelly. Look out. If we get to 1,000, I say we go shirtless.
SPEAKER 05 :
You speak for yourself. You knock yourself out. All right. So anyhow, welcome in and thank you for, and listen, thanks for supporting this great experience we've had over the years. You didn't finish the thought. You started 12 or 13 years ago, but we didn't start doing this right off the bat, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no, no.
SPEAKER 05 :
So we've been doing this maybe a decade?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I'd say at this length, with this detail, with this kind of love and fun, call it a decade. It has to be, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
And that's why every time I come into the market, and I'm going to be in Dallas, Fort Worth, so get ready for dinner plans.
SPEAKER 04 :
We've got to go somewhere. I'm coming to the NRB. Convention, the National Religious Broadcasters. And Steve Stegall is coming too, I understand, right? Right, right. And we're all doing shows from this building, so I get to meet him for the first time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, no, I'll be actually on site at the NRB over at the Gaylord. He's going to do, because it's so early, he's going to do his show from Beltline there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that's fantastic.
SPEAKER 05 :
So that'll be fun. So when I'm there, every time I come into the market, somebody will say, Mike, I never miss this segment. It's one of my highlights of the day. And we both feel the same way. You know, I'm speaking for you. If I don't do a hit with you in the morning, my whole day is ruined.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. The whole thing is screwed up. And when Mike is gone, I tell him, dude, thanks a lot. Now I've got to come up with another half hour of content on my own.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's right. Heaven forbid.
SPEAKER 04 :
Heaven forbid.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Let's start with the Battle of the Carolines. That's exactly right. Good Caroline, bad Caroline. Gosh, and let's go with, we might as well go with Bad Caroline first. It was awful. I mean, I watched that at six minutes when she read, she decided I'm going to go big here, go big or go home. I'm not only going to write a letter calling my cousin Bobby all these horrible, filthy names and make these horrible accusations, but I'm going to read it, like do a video of it. And she's reading her own letter that I'm sure went viral and is viral. She calls her cousin a predator. She torches him for his past struggles with addiction. She claims that he's got personal... This is Pete Hegseth all over again. This is Clarence Thomas all over again. You know, what makes him unqualified to be the Health and Human Services Secretary?
SPEAKER 04 :
She starts off with what a lot of these people are starting off with. He has no meaningful experience in government. Don't they realize that's awesome? You know who else that was true of? That guy named Trump. Donald Trump. Listen, I don't mean you require zero experience in government, but if you come in with fresh eyes, that's the kind of thing that means you can be a real reformer. You're not covered with a coating of decades of sclerotic same old, same old. It's just a wonderful thing to be fresh and new and a private sector soul in the arena of government.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, but not for nothing. I don't want to take anything away from her status as a former ambassador to Australia. But who is she to be the arbiter of what is or isn't qualifications to be the health and human service secretary? That's ridiculous. And I thought about that with Pete Hegseth, the people that were lining up to smear him. Well, he's not qualified. Yeah, but who are you to say? They're going to get to decide in the U.S. Senate. They're going to make a decision.
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SPEAKER 05 :
in a governmental body, you being his cousin doesn't really count. I mean, it's personal. And incidentally, you talk about the Mark Davis rule about Trump derangement syndrome makes nice people mean, smart people stupid, funny people unfunny. Well, I mean, this Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg thing is so vicious, so awful, so ugly. And her son, JFK's grandson, a guy named Jack Schlossberg, Boy, oh boy, is he a piece of work. He posted a video. Huh? He posted a video a couple weeks ago mocking RFK's physical disability with the voice.
SPEAKER 04 :
The vocal disorder?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, my gosh. He did a video saying, I'm Bobby. I'm buying you an animal that you can... I mean, I'm thinking... How cruel are you? How nasty is this family? This Kennedy bunch, they are a piece of work, man. And for her to do this kind of, like you said, somebody posted, a guy by the name of Link Loren, I think is a family friend of the Kennedys. And he worked on Kennedy's short-lived presidential campaign. Here's what Link Loren wrote about Caroline's letter. Bobby had gobs of support from his family. They volunteered on the campaign. They attended events, phone banks. When he was a Democrat running for president. Right. Each time I was at his home, it was full of family. He had a massive birthday party, many family members in attendance. The narrative that his family doesn't support him is simply false. In this video and the letter, Caroline accuses Bobby of collecting birds of prey like he's a He's a predator. It's a bad thing. Bobby has taken disadvantaged Americans out falconing many times for charity. We had tons of events on our campaign. Caroline also weaponizes his past issues with addiction. Bobby has grit and authenticity. He's been open about his past struggles with addiction, how he got sober decades ago. We literally made a documentary on addiction together and recovery. I was on set. I understand it's disappointing for many of his family members to lose relevance to especially the ones who had fancy postings in the Biden administration. But I question the veracity of the claims made in her video as well as the convenient timing.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's not just losing relevance. What the Kennedys are losing is someone from the fold. There's an enormous amount of attention that's going to be paid to a Kennedy, one of America's legacy Democrat families. There's Clinton. There's Obama. There's Kennedy was the granddaddy of them all. And to lose one, to have one of those leave the fold and fall in with Hitler, to fall in with the Third Reich of the Trump administration, that's a sting to them. And they don't like it. And they're making it clear. They can't stand it. Let's go to the good Caroline. I watched the entire thing. Caroline K. Leavitt, 27-year-old press secretary. 27 years old.
SPEAKER 05 :
I've got socks older than her. I mean, and no binder. She didn't have the stupid overs. And no fear. And knew all the reporters by name. I mean, she went in there ready to go. Jackie Heinrich did a kind of behind-the-scenes video and said, oh, look, we're about to almost pass 1,000 viewers.
SPEAKER 04 :
We're at 947. No, you are.
SPEAKER 05 :
I tell you what, we go over 1,000, I'll talk us both out of it.
SPEAKER 04 :
We will not go shirtless. You have our word.
SPEAKER 05 :
Make your points quickly. But, I mean, she did this behind-the-scenes video and said, boy, it's a lot different. I mean, you talk about an upgrade. An upgrade from Jen Circleback Pisaki to KJP Binders to now this young woman who was tough, who was fair, who was transparent. And you answered it perfectly. Somebody said, well, are you going to be representing the president or are you going to speak the truth as if they're not the same thing? And she said, look, I speak the truth. And yes, I represent the president. I'm the press secretary. Duh. I mean, it was so refreshing. Mark, something's different. Something is different this time. Everything's different. But I don't feel Axios made an attempt this morning to say, oh, well, Trump's latest pause on federal loans has ignited the resistance.
SPEAKER 04 :
Has it? Has it really? Oh, the walls are closing in this time, Mark. I don't know. I'm shivering with fear. And the other word you're going to hear 47 times a day is chaos. Oh, it's causing chaos because this line of pipeline of funding doesn't happen. Or he's telling federal workers, if you quit, we'll buy you out. You pay for eight months and you're gone. What a great way to weed out some of the fat in government. Every time they say chaos, know that what's really happening is a resolution of the chaos. We've had chaos forever. You know, if you are the cancer, chemo is chaos and we're making things better. And of course, people are freaking out.
SPEAKER 05 :
You bet. Speaking of cancer, I got to ask you a health question. And by the way, here we go. Big announcement. We did it. Hit it, Eric. What, 1,000? Over 1,000. But no, don't you dare. No, no. Stop it. Rhonda, get in there quick. Don't let him do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Don't let him do it. Got a cool black T-shirt underneath. Yeah, it's kind of good.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's like the Gypsy Rose Lee strip.
SPEAKER 04 :
Just a couple of buttons.
SPEAKER 05 :
Show them a little bit there. But yeah, it's kind of fun. Speaking of health, I did post this morning because everybody around me is dropping like flies from the flu.
SPEAKER 04 :
Is there a lot of flu in North Texas? Okay. Yes, it's localized. Is it the godly ISD? We had an entire school district shut down. They've closed schools for a few days because they got so many flu cases.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's what I thought because everybody around me is getting it. And you know me, Harry Hypochondriac.
SPEAKER 04 :
Everybody watch today because he'll be gone for the next week.
SPEAKER 05 :
Look, I'm getting ready to check myself into ICU just as a preventative measure. Put me on the vent.
SPEAKER 04 :
But honestly, flu shot or no flu shot? Okay, I always do it. I've never believed the thing that the flu shot gives you the flu. Here's the funny thing. Have I done it this year? I have not just because I'm a forgetful dork.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know what I'm going to do with my doctor? I've got a doctor who loves... What do you call it? You'll know the word. It starts with a C. Is it chelation?
SPEAKER 04 :
Chelation.
SPEAKER 05 :
Fluids that leak through your body and do wonderful things. And that's a big thing now. I mean, you can go into shopping malls now and get an IV.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're drip franchises. Yeah. It's like going to... It's like Starbucks. And so my doctor...
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, my doctor believes big in that. He's got like a big immune boost IV drip. Takes about 45 minutes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. How much is that bad boy?
SPEAKER 05 :
I think it's like $100 or something. But I don't know. Am I so warped over the COVID hysteria that I'm against any kind of shot now?
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't think I want to get it. I understand reticence about anything. That almost anybody coming at me with a needle of any kind is like, I don't know, I don't know. I'm going to get a brain tumor. I'm going to have a heart attack.
SPEAKER 05 :
I'm going to have a stroke. I mean, it's like everything turns into this hole. And while I'm going down, you talk about going... Through the looking glass, I know, but I don't want to get it. I'll get the IV, but I'm not going to. And I take my ivermectin every week.
SPEAKER 04 :
I take ivermectin every single week. As we wrap, question, because here we go. We topped out at nearly 1,200 people. Yes, sir. Two things. Number one, as soon as you and I are done here in 30 seconds, this post will exist. So three hours from now, somebody can come back to Gallagher Show on Twitter and watch it again, correct? Yeah, they'll live there. Yeah, sure. And number two, you're going to do this every day. Why not? What the heck? It's a brave new world.
SPEAKER 05 :
Look, we've got new owners in our company, and they're all about digital, so I'm embracing digital.
SPEAKER 04 :
What the heck?
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, more us is always a good thing. Let's dive in. The water's warm. We're going to do digital. I love you, too. Happy Wednesday, and welcome to our new X family, the M&M Experience Live.
SPEAKER 04 :
Come on, come on. We're always here for you on every platform. That's Mike, and he's ready for you as soon as we're done at 10 on 660 AME Answer.
SPEAKER 03 :
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As economic uncertainties linger, the latest episode of Best Stocks Now brings light to the inner dynamics affecting today's financial realm. Hosts Bill Gundersen and Barry Kite keep investors informed, evaluating the DeepSeek phenomenon, discussing tech giants' quarterly earnings, and assessing how government initiatives may influence fiscal policies. Follow along to understand how these elements interact with stock performance, the realignment of portfolio strategies, and potential investment opportunities that might arise.
SPEAKER 02 :
He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, thestreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome to the Wednesday, the mid-week edition already of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunnarsson, president of Gunnarsson Capital Management. I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst and certified financial planner. And we have a mixed day going on. I think it's fair to say that not a lot's going to happen until about 2.30 p.m. today, Eastern Standard Time. when our chairman, Chairman Powell, talks about the latest Fed move or non-move. More importantly, the prospects going forward for further moves. So right now you've got the Dow up 68. The NASDAQ is down 85, split market. The S&P is down 9, but not much movement one way or another today. The Russell 2000 is dead flat right now in the water. No wind in its sails whatsoever. We've got the 10-year also. It was up a couple of basis points last time I looked at 4.53 as it awaits Chairman Powell's comments today. Oil going nowhere. $73.40 is where oil is parked right now. And gold has been parked in that 27 to 2800 area for a long, long time. It's at 2776. And Bitcoin is also very quiet today, all quiet on the Western Front today. Bitcoin down $9.44 to $102,000. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. I'm here with Barry Kite, and the rubber ball in the market continues to bounce. We had the big down day on Monday. after that uh... deep the seek news and then i would say we regained about sixty percent maybe two-thirds of what we lost In the tech stocks on Monday, I'd say about two-thirds, 60%, somewhere in there, came back yesterday. You know, deep seek continues to be put under a microscope, and we're finding out a few things.
SPEAKER 04 :
Some of the feds are looking into it today. They're starting to kind of pick it apart a bit.
SPEAKER 03 :
The Navy banned the use of DeepSeek. Elon Musk really questions the claims on how many chips they use. He thinks they used a lot more than that. And he thinks he used a lot of NVIDIA's high-end chips that they're not supposed to have access to. So that story continues to have some light shed on it. And we did have a pretty good comeback. The NASDAQ was up 392 after being down about 600 points on Monday. And the AI stocks did come back quite a bit. NVIDIA had a good day yesterday. Other stocks had a good day. The software stocks had an amazing day yesterday. CrowdStrike, Palantir. a lot of fire underneath that right yes i think that security is a big issue a big issue with uh people now downloading deep seek on their iphones and asking it questions i have not i don't know if i want to download it on my iphone or not i'll tell you my story here's how far i got it was funny i downloaded it right as soon as that story came out you know on monday and then uh
SPEAKER 04 :
logged it, clicked on it, and it asked for my phone number and a password. And I was like, delete. I'm like, deleted the app. So that's how far of deep seek I got. I did see the whale logo on my phone just for a minute, right? And then I deleted it off the phone. So I don't think I'm going to revisit it for a bit.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, no, that's a little scary. Yesterday, the beneficiaries of AI, look, if AI's gotten, if it's true that all of a sudden now it's a lot cheaper to use AI. Meta had another very good strong day yesterday. Amazon broke out to new highs yesterday. They're beneficiaries of this move. And that's what I saw in the charts. I made a little list of stocks that were bouncing higher yesterday, breaking out to new highs. And I have to assume that they're on the right side of this whole deep seek move. But then most of the stocks that are involved in RAI had a really good day. Microsoft had a terrific day yesterday. NVIDIA came storming back, was up 8%, but it remains in a sideways funk. It really does. Between 120 now and about 150. But there were a lot of really nice moves in the market yesterday. Now today we get the FOMC meeting announcement at 2 p.m., which everybody expects. No change. A quarter point rate hike would probably really set the market, or rate drop would really set the market on fire. I don't think that's going to happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
The futures have a 99.5% chance of no change.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you never know. I've seen horses win that you never thought they had a chance to win. It doesn't happen very often. When it does, it sure pays a lot. 2.30 p.m. is the press conference, and most people will be listening to that. There's where the action comes in.
SPEAKER 04 :
And he's not always the greatest at the press conference.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, he can be a scary guy. RFK also appearing before the committees today in his hearing. I think he's got an uphill battle, but it would be very interesting to hear what he's got to say. He's backed off quite a bit from some of the vaccine statements he's made in the past, saying that all his children have been vaccinated. So that could be some interesting theater today. And then, of course, tonight we're going to get some big tech earnings. That's really a big deal. You're going to get Microsoft number one. They'll have a lot to say about DeepSeek and, in fact, Microsoft.
SPEAKER 04 :
And about NVIDIA in terms of their CapEx spending.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And Microsoft is saying that, hey, we want to know whether or not they infringed on our open AI investment company. on any of the patents, borrowed any of their database, etc. They kind of smell a rat a little bit, it sounds like to me, does Microsoft. Meta is going to report today. Meta is the engine that just keeps on going, man. It just is an earnings monster. Breaking out to new all-time highs. By the way, as I looked at the app today, Vistra's been in the top spot for a long time. And just that one day on Monday where Vistra was down 23% knocked it out of the top spot. And guess who took over the top spot as the number one ranked stock in the app right now? Meta. Wow. Zuckerberg's Meta. So that just tells you. I mean, here's a legacy tech stock, really, that's been around for a long time. Big cap. But what a powerhouse when it comes to earnings, okay? That's why you kind of have to set your political opinions aside when you're investing. Maybe you don't like Zuckerberg. I've had a few clients, just a few over the years, that says, don't put me into Facebook. Back when it was Facebook. But you know what? Look, I mean, you've got to set that aside, and you've got to look at earnings, earnings, earnings, earnings, and they have lots of them. And if that's not enough, Tesla is going to report after the close. So between 2.30 and about 5.30. And, of course, wrapping up the RFK Jr. testimony for the day. It could get really, really, really interesting.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, get your bathroom break in beforehand because it's going to be busy. Get the popcorn ready. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, in the meantime, you know what? We're starting to see Doge in action, although it's kind of in the background. You know, I was commenting to my wife today. It seems like they're taking private sector ideas, all right? If a private equity firm comes into a bloated, fat, you know, sleepy public company and turns it around, what do they do? They go in and they get rid of the fat and they identify where the money's going. And that seems to be, I was telling her, we're getting private sector people, like top private equity guys that have been involved in turnarounds. And if anything ever needed a turnaround, the federal government. If you did a poll, do you think that the federal government operates efficiently? How many people say, oh, yeah, man, those guys, they are so efficient over there. But I think they're bringing private sector ideas and implementing them. And it sounds to me like, well, number one, it's a private sector idea to say, hey, you know, if you want to quit, if you want to resign, we'll buy you out. That's one way to get rid of a lot of fat because it's a lot cheaper to buy them out than to keep paying bloated payrolls over the next several years. And then it sounds like they're taking inventory of all these little programs. That's where the fat and the pork is. We're spending so much for a study on this and a study on this. And he put a halt to that yesterday and it's costing quite a quite a stir out there uh... in washington dc will be right back And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Docs Now show. On a quiet day in the market until about 2.30, and then it will start barking and howling and yipping and everything else. And at about 4, a little after 4 p.m., we get earnings from Microsoft, Meta, and Tesla. Three of the biggest earnings reports of the entire quarter coming in the after hours today. So if you're a government employee, if you choose to resign by next week, and I'm sure there's plenty of people that don't want to work for Trump, right? I'm out of here, pal. I'm sure there's plenty of cardboard boxes available to clear out their desk and take a check and be done with it. That's the offer on the table. Now, the funding freeze caused a big stir yesterday because I think it was a little bit on the messy side. But what I think they're trying to accomplish, you know, when you see these bills, these omnibus bills get passed, there's the devil is in the details. They name it something like the Inflation Reduction Act, right? And inside of it is all kinds of little goodies. It's really a spending act. Yes, for here and there. And I think you're seeing Doge at work in the background saying, wait a minute. We're putting a freeze on all these grants, loans, et cetera, and we're going to take inventory on every check we write to one of these things, see where it's going. what it's accomplishing, etc., etc., etc. And here's a real-life example here. Calumet says that they have a deal to get a $144 billion Department of Energy loan Calumet is a, I think it's a natural gas company or chemical company. Production of, no, they're oil, okay. And they've got a sweetheart loan coming from the federal government. And yesterday they got a notice saying, hey, hey, you're going to have to wait on this until we review it to make sure it's in alignment with the priorities of the new Trump administration. You know, that's how a turnaround person goes about. That's where they begin is taking inventory, number one, on everybody that works at a firm going around, what do you do here? You know, how long have you been here? Blah, blah, blah. And then, of course, all of the expenses, all of the checks that are written. That's where you have to begin. You have to get an inventory and get that under control and start monitoring anything you're going to add to that. It's going to be hard to add to that. And then get rid of those things that you think are wasteful. I'm sure there's plenty of that out there. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I think it was interesting because the piece I caught on it in terms, I think a judge kind of blocked it for the moment. And the interesting piece was that apparently the thought is, of course, the Congress sets the budget and whatever, let's say they say you're spending, okay, we approved a spending of however many trillion this year or whatever. In other words, once they approve it, it's basically that money has to get spent.
SPEAKER 03 :
Set in stone.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which is ridiculous. So let's say you didn't need – let's say, oh, well, we came in $200 billion short or whatever the numbers are, right? It's like – Oh, well, you still have to spend it, so it's got to go somewhere.
SPEAKER 03 :
You can't do that as a company. What if there's a massive hit to the economy? Well, you still have to spend it. You're on the line for that. You can't lay anybody off. No, you have to be more nimble. But I don't know how the laws work there. If they've approved a loan for Calumet, does that mean that they have to give the loan to Calumet? I just think it's a pause and a time to take inventory. Steve Cohen. Steve Cohen's a smart guy, and I agree with this. He says that deep-seek disruption is bullish for the AI landscape because it makes it more affordable, and it gives more companies opportunity to put AI to work and adopt it. Exactly. And it's going to take a lot of chips, as our friend at NVIDIA has said. It's going to take a lot of chips.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I heard Microsoft's CEO, he said he's got the chips. He said he needs power. I was like, he needs more. He said he's got enough chips at the moment. He goes, I need more power.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you know, that's another issue is there was a pretty good rebound in the nuke and power stocks yesterday. Not as much as I thought there would be. But there was a pretty healthy rebound yesterday. I don't think that you can discount and say, oh, well, we can do AI now on a shoestring. We're not going to need all that power that we thought we were going to need. I think that's wishful thinking. So anyways, DeepSeek surpassed a million downloads on Android. I do have an old Android device just to check in on my Android app from time to time. Maybe I should download DeepSeek, start asking it some questions. I saw a question on X just now. I'm going to open stock accounts for my two kids this year and put $100K into each. What would you purchase in this situation? They are older teens with many decades of growth and compounding ahead of them. And so ask DeepSeek, Barry. Of course, you didn't put it. I'll put it on my Android. I don't care if the Android one blows up, to be honest.
SPEAKER 04 :
Put it this way. It asked me for a phone number and a password, and I'm thinking, I'm not going to put my phone number in there. Your address and your social security number. Yeah, and guess what? You put your password in there, and then don't put one you've used in anything else ever before.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm going to ask DeepSeek to write my newsletter for me this Friday and see what comes out of that. Microsoft is probing if DeepSeek's improperly used open AI data. I'm sure they did. Because, you know, the data that is really valuable is English-speaking data from America. And I don't know where else DeepSeek is going to get access. What you're basically doing is you're pulling in all of that data when you ask a question, and it's going out there and finding everything pertinent to that question. I mean, it's amazing technology, really.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and all these companies already dealt with it. I mean, you remember kind of in the early days of them training some of these models, whether it was Google's What Gemini, whether it was ChatGPT, all that, everything came up in terms of, okay, where did you get the data? And then you had a few lawsuits, things going back and forth in terms of what data did you use? Were you able to use it in that instance? And my guess is they might not have had as much influence oversight, maybe, as we may have here.
SPEAKER 03 :
And don't forget, I mean, we've got, in the Trump administration, of course, David Sachs, who is a very well-known guy in Silicon Valley, he is Trump's AI czar. He told Fox News on Tuesday that there's substantial evidence that DeepSeek distilled knowledge out of OpenAI's models. Distillation is where they take it from someone else and distill it down and use it. And he says that's going to lead to our companies protecting their data from them stealing it like that. So anyways, interesting story. We'll be right back.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, the top brass don't like him talking so much. And he won't play what they say to play.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, back to the second half of the show. And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Stocks Now show. Let's just take a look at the app on Meta. Why is it the number one ranked stock out there on a relative basis? When you compare it against the other, I'm up to 5,000 now. I think I hit the 5,000 mark yesterday, as I'm always adding on a daily basis. A few here, a few there. We're up to 5,002 now that we crunched those numbers on. Meta currently gets an overall Gundersen stock grade of A+. Number one, okay, number one ranked out of 5,002. Well, over the last 12 months, let's see, what is Meta's size these days? Meta is 1.69 trillion, trillion, from a Harvard dorm room, right? It is up 72% over the last 12 months, while the S&P is up 24.1%. So it's tripled the returns of the S&P and I would say that the app is weighted a little more towards recent returns than, you know, 10 year ago returns, obviously.
SPEAKER 04 :
There's a little bit of that momentum factor.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, there's a little bit of waiting there. And the momentum grade is A right now. Over the last three years, it's delivered to investors 32% per year. The S&P is 13.5%. Take that, Kimberly Clark. And over the last five years, Procter & Gamble, Meta has delivered 26% per year compound annual return versus 17.5% for the S&P 500. Now, that's looking backwards. That's performance. It gets an overall performance grade of A. so you know that takes into account the recent performance the intermediate-term performance which is three to five years and the long-term performance which is five to ten years but equally as important as the valuation where does it go from here and you know I learned a long time ago early in my career I favor five-year valuations If we're going to come up with five-year growth, anticipated growth rates, then why do we have six-month valuations? It seems to me that five-year valuations take a lot of the emotion out of the way, and they can be updated on a regular basis and looked at to make sure we're still on track. That's kind of what you do as a certified financial planner. You say, look, here's where we should be 10 years from now. And along the way, you look and say, here's where we are three years into it. Here's where we thought we would be. Four years, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, here's where we thought we would be. And you look at it, and it's like, okay, and here's where we're at. Yeah, exactly. And okay, any difference, and here's why.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is just logic to me. Okay, so now let's look at the valuation. I just take the earnings estimates. Now, Meta has been growing their earnings by 18%, but it's really kind of ramping up here. They're looking for 46% growth. After this quarter that they report today, they should finish the year with 46% growth versus last year. Then they're looking for 12% this year. I think the next five years, let's see, the next five-year growth rate estimate right now is 19% per year, which I think is reasonable. I think they can do that. That's earnings growth. Okay, so let's extrapolate those earnings out over five years, and let's apply a multiple, a unique multiple, that fits that particular industry, that kind of growth rate, their market share, their dominance in their industry. And let's calculate a five-year target price, which is currently $1,419. the stock is currently trading at 671 that gives it 112 upside potential over the next five years that's why anytime the stock pulls back a little i'm a buyer in meta and you know the beauty of meta is not only is it in our premier growth portfolio as a pure growth large cap stock It's also in our dividend and growth portfolio because it does pay a dividend. They initiated a dividend maybe a year ago. It's not a lot, but give me a small dividend and good growth as opposed to a large dividend like AT&T and no growth. That's no decision for me. That's the easiest decision there is to make.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think the last time you wrote that one up was on February 5th of last year.
SPEAKER 03 :
Meta?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. We wrote an article on February 5th, 2024. How much is it up since then? Up 46, over 46%. S&P is up 22% over that time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, more than double the return. So, you know, that's why they call it Seeking Alpha. And that's why we attempt to do everything we can do to deliver Alpha. So, you know, it's still, okay, Meta is still.
SPEAKER 04 :
And you still get cringes, right? I mean, like you said, one of the reasons we've written it up a few times. But the thing is, it's always seemed over the years to be a bit undervalued because, you know, frankly, people don't like Zuckerberg.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I cringe every time I see his hairdo, frankly, but he looks like a Roman, I don't know. Meta has grown to be an 8.4% position in our premier growth portfolio. We started with a 5% position. And, you know, it's one of, in that premier growth, we currently own 17 stocks in there. And in the dividend and growth portfolio, it's grown to be a 6.6% position. And we've held it for a while. We've held it for a while. Yeah, you just don't want to go overboard on any one stock. Still, we believe in diversification, but not diversification by owning 127 stocks, something along those lines, which I get accounts transferred to me. I give those to Barry. I say, here, Barry. Sell 107 of them. Tomorrow. Tomorrow.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's when you get that weed whacker out. Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, G.E. Vernova draws bolus recommendation after worst ever daily loss. Yes, it was down on Monday 22%. And that's the only one I stepped up to the plate on Monday. It's the only buy I made. I might have added to a few stocks, but that was a brand-new buy. I stepped it, and it was up sharply yesterday. I mean, so far, so good. I mean, I look like a genius so far. That will happen every once in a while. Even the broken clock is right twice a day. But GE pays a little dividend, so I bought it in the dividend portfolio because I think not only are you going to get growth out of GE, Renova, they're a global company. I mean, we're not the only country that needs power. Europe badly needs power to power all of these. Well, they're EV. Norway is 100% EV now. It's going to power all of that. And I think this move towards nuclear is right in their wheelhouse at GEV.
SPEAKER 04 :
And the power names are bouncing. I mean, NVIDIA is actually down about 4.5% today, but the energy names are continuing. They're a bit of a bounce back yesterday. I mean, you've got Constellation up 3%. You've got Vistra up roughly about 4% or 5% and Talon up almost 5%.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, okay, and that's my next story. Talon made a deal with Amazon during the Biden administration, the latter days of the Biden administration, and made a big deal with Amazon to directly supply their data center campus at the Susquehanna nuclear generating facility early last year. which would eventually allow the data center to receive nearly one gigawatt, or is it gigawatt, of electricity. But last month, FERC, which is the federal energy, one of those federal commissions, one of those federal government program regulatory, one of the regulators denied the request. And they are now, obviously, I think they're pretty smart in appealing that. And Talon is appealing that, and they're going to appeal to the Trump administration to see if they'll allow it. So I do like Talon Energy. That's another one we own in the dividend portfolio. And then let's see, a few other stocks here before we've got to go to the break. Planet Labs, a couple small ones. Planet Labs in Germany. signs a deal with the European Space Agency, I do think there's a big future. You know, I read yesterday that T-Mobile is going to put Elon Musk, what's his star link, into their phones. So think of that. You could be 1,000 miles in the ocean. where the only kind of, you know, they sell those sat phones.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, essentially it would turn your, yeah, it sounds like it would turn your cell phone into a satellite phone.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, I was in the Bahamas two weeks ago. I don't know what I was paying for roaming. I'll find out in a couple of weeks here. But imagine if I would have had a satellite phone in my iPhone. So I think there's a big future in space also. We'll be right back. And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Stocks Now show. There's a couple of stocks here that I have to talk about here in the final segment here. The first one, well, let's talk about ASML, which is out of the Netherlands, and they make the equipment that NVIDIA needs for making the chips. At Taiwan Semiconductor. So you'll find all of those fancy machines that are making these chips, NVIDIA chips, ASM lithography, okay? Holding, ASML holding. We don't currently own it, but we have done very well with it in the past. It does trade. As NVIDIA goes, so goes ASML, I would say.
SPEAKER 04 :
The interesting thing is it got up to, I mean, they actually were the ones that got hit worse, I think, by some of this chip restriction stuff. Yes. And when you look at them, they're high, right? They had 52-week highs at $1,110. Yep. And it's trading at $713 at the moment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
But they came in with a great report, up over 4.5% at the moment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, their sales were up 20%, and their earnings were up 23%. And I think also it is a precursor to if people are buying equipment, if they're selling equipment, that means NVIDIA. It's going to be making a heck of a lot more chips. The demand for those NVIDIA chips is still there.
SPEAKER 04 :
And Taiwan Semi is going to be also benefiting. They're the ones that are going to, from a capacity standpoint, are the ones who actually build the chips.
SPEAKER 03 :
ASML is up $31 a share today, or 4.5%, okay? And we have owned it. We don't currently have any position in it. It also pays a little bit of a dividend. And the other stock that just totally blows me away. Okay, let's go to the opposite end. of high-tech and ASM lithography, and let's go out to dinner and we'll go to Chili's, okay? What is up with Chili's? That stock is up $24 a share, up 15.6%. This stock got down to $7 during COVID. What's the symbol on that one?
SPEAKER 04 :
Eat. Eat. Okay, easy enough. Eat.
SPEAKER 03 :
Eat. I'm going to give you the company credit card. You can take your boys. How many boys do you have?
SPEAKER 04 :
Three. In what age range? 18 to 10.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, I want their opinion. Take them to Chili's. There's one right there by the airport, not too far from the Charleston airport. And report back to me, you know, and send me some pictures, some pictures of what is going on there. Is there a line? Have they got the best cheeseburgers in town? I mean, Chili's is kind of a really old concept. They beat by 94 cents.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know. I mean, that's like a... I mean, they came in at $2.80 and beat by $0.94.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it's Brinker International, founded by Norman Brinker in Dallas, Texas. They own 1,600 restaurants in 29 countries.
SPEAKER 04 :
They still have those fajitas? That's pretty much the only thing I ever remember ordering there.
SPEAKER 03 :
And then, of course, Maggiano's. Now, I ate at the original Maggiano's in Chicago. which was underground as in it was under a little sub sub level was fantastic and they own magianos and they own it's just wings that's the only brands they have is those three brands but man alive that is and it's been showing up time after time i just can't bring myself restaurant stocks you know with in what's the price of eggs right now it is trump's fault he's been in He's been in for seven days and has done nothing about egg prices. Can you imagine that? I can't believe that the reporters... Donald Trump has been in for six days now or whatever, nine days, and he has done nothing about the price of eggs. Let's see. Eat. Brinker's International has got to be ranked way up there in the app.
SPEAKER 04 :
And eggs here are so expensive right now regionally because you've got Georgia, which I think is, if I'm not mistaken, the biggest egg producer in the country or has been over the years, and they've had huge bouts of bird flu.
SPEAKER 03 :
They had to kill a million chickens. Eat is ranked number 264 out of 5,002. The growth, I don't know what the growth is. That's been my issue with it, but you can't argue with the stock price.
SPEAKER 04 :
I had a colleague years ago who said he never would invest in something that you could eat or that would go to the bathroom. So meaning he wouldn't invest in a horse and also didn't buy any restaurant stuff.
SPEAKER 03 :
And then another good one here, which is showing the strength of the consumer. Okay, it's not... I had a bill for you with three kids and going over there to Chili's. You're talking $100, I'm thinking.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, I bet.
SPEAKER 03 :
Starbucks is also breaking out.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can't get them out of the local Mexican restaurant for less than $100.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I mean just chips and salsa. But anyway, Starbucks is also breaking out today, and they're saying that the new CEO there is trying to get the old coffeehouse vibe back. and apparently it's working, but I don't know. I mean, their sales were flat, no growth, none, and their earnings were down 23% year over year.
SPEAKER 04 :
And coffee prices are at all-time highs right now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Columbia is going to be hit with tariffs if they're not careful, and coffee prices go up. But Starbucks is up 5.5%, so the consumer... Must be fairly healthy, at least by today's reports. Well, we're going to know a lot more at 2.30 p.m. when we listen to his comments on where he sees inflation and interest rates. And then a little after 4 p.m., we're going to get Meta, Tesla, and Microsoft, three of the biggest reports. This is the biggest day, really, for the report.
SPEAKER 04 :
My wife texted me during the show, and apparently the fireworks are already flying at the RFK Junior.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm going to turn that on.
SPEAKER 04 :
She said it's good theater. Yeah, good TV.
SPEAKER 03 :
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In this episode of The Flotline, Rick Hughes takes listeners on a journey through the significance of Proverbs in developing a disciplined and prudent lifestyle. Discover the crucial role of humility in learning and how acquiring divine wisdom equips believers to face the challenges of life. Rick also addresses the pitfalls of human viewpoint systems in today's sociopolitical landscape and offers practical advice for living with peace and purpose.
SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
SPEAKER 02 :
Good morning and welcome to the Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and again today I'd like to invite you to stay with me just a short 30 minutes of motivation, some inspiration, some education, all done without any manipulation, no solicitation, just 30 minutes of teaching God's Word, hoping to verify and identify the plan of God for your life so that you will hopefully orient and adjust to the plan. The plan starts with the good news that Christ, the anointed Son of God, has redeemed us out of the slave market of sin. So our debt to God has been paid and we are now free, free of the penalty of death and free of the power of sin. And by receiving Christ as Savior, we in effect accept the offering that he made on our behalf, the free gift of God, compliments of grace. Ephesians 2.89 says, For by grace are you saved through faith And that not of yourselves is a gift from God, not of works, lest any man should boast about it. Paul again writes in Titus, not by works of righteousness which we've done, but according to his mercy he saved us. It can't be any more simpler than that. That's how simple it is. The greatest decision you could ever make is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Flotline is a show teaching you God's problem-solving devices. We've identified 10 of them that make up a main line of resistance in your soul. We call that the Forward Line of Troops, the F-L-O-T, Forward Line of Troops, a flotline. The concept is that if you will learn these 10 problem-solving devices, then you can stop the outside sources of adversity before they ever become the inside source of stress. That's why we always say adversity, of course, is inevitable, but stress is always optional. And the Christian life is, in fact, the most unique life in the history of the world. We never have to have any stress. We never have to worry, we never have to be afraid. We simply trust in the phenomenal Word of God, understanding that God was in business before we got here, He will be in business when we're gone, and so He has it under control. The concept is we must learn His Word. Learning His Word requires some knowledge, some wisdom. I told you last week, if you remember, there's a big difference between knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge is something you understand, And wisdom is something you believe and apply into your life. All wisdom for the believer comes from the Word of God. Matthew 4.4 tells us that man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Now you say, I haven't ever heard God speak to me. However, the Lord Jesus Christ said, I am telling you what God told me to tell you. If you've heard me, you've heard the Father. He told the disciples that in John chapter 14. And so the words that are recorded in the New Testament are the words of Jesus Christ recorded by the disciples. And it's called in 1 Corinthians 2, 16, the mind of Christ. In the Old Testament, the writer of the Psalm says, your word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. And that's the Torah, that's the Old Testament law that they understood, they had, they read, they believed, and they live by faith, just like you and I must learn to live by faith in our spiritual life. So if we understand the process of gaining wisdom, which I like to call divine viewpoint, not human viewpoint, now that's foolishness, that's the cosmic system. It saturates our world, socially and politically, words like diversity and atheism humanism socialism communism progressivism they're all designed to reconstruct politics and change the way america thinks why because satan is in the thinking business he wants to control what you think it's a war for your thoughts every day a lot of the times you don't even realize you're being assaulted But as you listen to human viewpoint, as you listen to the logic and the rhetoric of the political world system, you understand this is not the Bible. This is not God's Word. As a matter of fact, everything that used to be evil has now been turned into good. And everything that used to be good is now looked upon as evil. So if I can give you this information that I'm trying to teach you, my hope is i can equip you with a bank of values in your life called wisdom and give you if you have that wisdom you will have the discretion to make good decisions based on what the bible says divine viewpoint now without humility to receive instruction nothing's going to change in your life you've got to have some humility That means humility is equivalent to teachability. You cannot teach an arrogant person anything. So humility is required to learn and to receive instruction. Because if you don't have some instruction, if you don't have some humility, nothing's going to change in your life. You will never... have any contentment in life, because you can never be consistent long enough to learn anything, to acquire any divine viewpoint thinking. A lot of divine viewpoint is in the book of Proverbs, where our study carried us last week and where it will carry us this week. The book of Proverbs, according to the Bible knowledge commentary authored by Walvoord and Zuck, there are five different reasons that the writers wrote the book of Proverbs. The first one, and I would always suggest, I'd recommend you read Proverbs. It's an amazing thing. The first reason for the writing of the book of Proverbs is to attain wisdom. I'll verify that for you in just a minute, the scripture that goes with it. Wisdom is what we call spiritual ammunition. To attain wisdom and knowledge. Knowledge is divine viewpoint. So spiritual ammunition comes from divine viewpoint. And the only way you can get divine viewpoint is the four C's that I call it. Four C's. What are they? Communicate. You sit and listen to a well-qualified pastor communicate the word of God to you. Capture. This is where the Holy Spirit picks up what the pastor teaches and helps you to comprehend it. Comprehend is a third C. Comprehend is gnosis. It's knowledge. You understand it. But then comply. You comply, and that's where it becomes wisdom. So the four C's that I'm referring to that I like to use when I'm teaching is the communication of the Word of God, capturing the Word of God in the frame reference of your soul, comprehending what that pastor taught, and complying with the information he gave you. And I know that no pastor is perfect. Pastors can mislead you. You must be very careful to make sure that you sit under the ministry of a well-qualified pastor, a pastor that's accurate, not someone that's going to play with your emotions or try to tease you and trick you into worshiping with emotional worship, but someone that has spent time studying, can stand in the pulpit and teach more than five minutes, more than 10 minutes without having to use humor and poetry and whatever else. I like going line by line, word by word, verse by verse. That's called the ICE technique. Isagogical, categorical, exegetical. I know those are big words. Isagogical, categorical, exegetical. Isagogical means you study the word in the time in which it was written. What did it mean then as compared to what does it mean today? categories means that you extract from that verse any categorical study like god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son well you got god love world son there's four doctrines right there you could study and each one of those doctrines the doctrine of god the doctrine of love the doctrine of the world the doctrine of the sun can you imagine Can you imagine? I could teach over a year just on those four things alone. So each verse, you develop categories, and then exegesis means you go line by line, word by word. Take the word, break the word down. What did it mean? Where did it come from? How is it used? What's the original word in the Greek New Testament? And that's how you do it. A pastor that teaches like that is going to be required to study. He can't do that and run around to the hospital visiting people. He can't do that playing merry-go-round. He has to have time to study. And any pastor that's going to be worth his salt will spend time every day studying the Word of God. Unfortunately, in organized religion, they're not allowed to teach very long, you know. I mean, 30 minutes on Sunday morning after we get through of all the nonsense. and then maybe 30 minutes on Wednesday night, maybe 30 minutes on Sunday night, if anybody shows up Sunday night. And so you got an hour and a half a week. Now, if you send a kid to the first grade for an hour and a half a week, they're never gonna graduate. They're never gonna get out of there. And that's why we have a lot of believers that are spiritual infants. You cannot become a mature believer on an hour and a half a week. And you say, well, I'll do my morning devotion. I'm going to buy that book that guy wrote, and I'm going to read my morning devotion. Well, that's fine. But that's not studying the Word of God under a qualified pastor. That's a little thing to kickstart you in the morning, and that's okay. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about sitting down, maybe with a tape player, maybe with an MP3 or a CD or a DVD, and listening to a pastor expand and teach the Word of God to you. And yes, that's available. Yes, it's free. They don't charge for it. There are people out there that offer these things. And if you don't know where they are, let me know. I'll connect you. I'll hook you up. So the reason for writing the Proverbs to attain wisdom, spiritual ammunition, and knowledge, divine viewpoint, which comes from the communicate, capture, comprehend, and comply. Second reason for writing Proverbs for understanding words of insight. insight. This means an accurate understanding of a person or of a thing. So the writer of Proverbs wants to give you insight. Thirdly, for acquiring a disciplined and prudent lifestyle, a disciplined and prudent lifestyle. Spiritual self-discipline is critical if we're ever going to grow up spiritually. And prudent means that we care for the future based on our current decisions. We make decisions that relate to our life, that glorify God, related to the future. We're very prudent about what we do. so the fourth reason for writing the book of proverbs is for giving prudence causing us to be very cautious prudence to the simple and number five for understanding proverbs and parables the sayings the riddles of the wise so that we can live wise and we can live skillfully all right now listen to proverbs chapter one verse two to learn wisdom and moral instruction, to discern wise counsel, verse three, to receive moral instruction and skillful living in righteousness, justice, and equity, to impart shrewdness to the morally naive, and a discerning plan to the young person. That's quoted out of the New English translation, the Net Bible. So, successful living, let's give some points here. One, successful living requires on accurate instruction. Successful living requires accurate instruction. If you don't get accurate instruction, you can't live successfully. You'll do all the right things, but you'll do them in the wrong way. Remember, God has a plan, and that plan is called the protocol plan of God. And that means that a right thing must be done in a right way. There's a right way to pray and a wrong way to pray. There's a right way to worship and a wrong way to worship. You can do the right thing in the wrong way, and it's wrong. And how will you find out about that? At the judgment seat of Christ when it's evaluated, it will be burned up according to 1 Corinthians 3, 11 through 16 as wood, hay, and stubble. The right thing, yes, you went to church, but you did it in the wrong way without the filling of the Holy Spirit. The right thing, yes, you prayed, but you did it in the wrong way with unconfessed sin in your life. Remember the verse that says, if I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me. That's the right thing in the wrong way. Prayer. And so giving, is it right to give? Yes. Is there a right way to give and a wrong way to give? Yes. And so you have to learn these things. And as you understand the protocol plan of God, you understand it from accurate instruction from a well-qualified pastor, I keep saying that word, who will not manipulate you. He will not, through the use of legalism, try to coerce you into doing something that's not biblical. happens all the time people are coerced by pastors and they said you know brother if you're really a christian you wouldn't smoke that cigarette well the bible doesn't say anything about smoking cigarettes it says don't harm your body you can harm your body by eating too much chicken preacher i know i've done that myself so when we start specifying sins because they're our favorite sins like Well, brother, you know, if you were a Christian, you wouldn't go to that movie because it's not rated anything but a G. You can only go to G-rated movies. That's not what the Bible says. And yet you will find this consistently in organized religion, people trying to manipulate the lives of other people and coerce the lives of other people by putting them into chains and bondage. We have the liberty to do a lot of things, but we don't use our liberty to violate the protocol plan of God. So point number two, number one again, successful living requires accurate instruction. Number two, without instructing your children in God's word, then you will allow them to venture into the devil's world, and they will be unprepared, and they may be recruited by a cosmic evangelist even yet. who lies in wait if they're curious. Curiosity killed the cat, is that the saying? Many believers that have lived under missionary parents or pastor parents or good, well-qualified moral parents have gone off to college and been suckers for their curiosity. And they wound up into drug abuse, they wound up into sexual abuse, they wound up into financial problems. because their friends are cosmic evangelists and they lure them into the cosmic system. Number three, wisdom comes from instruction, which develops the key word awareness in the attitude of the believer with humility. Awareness, aware of circumstances, aware of people, aware of what's going on. There has to be political awareness, social awareness, spiritual awareness. It all comes from having divine viewpoint in your life. If you don't have some divine viewpoint, you'll be a sucker for what some politician tells you. And remember, the Bible says, cursed is the man who trusteth in man and who makes flesh the strength of his arm. You can't do that. Now, number four, Jeremiah, the great prophet of God, faced a nation of negative volition. Listen to what he wrote, Jeremiah 4.22, and see if it sounds familiar to you. Jeremiah 4.22, for my people are foolish men, They have not known me. They are stupid children, and they have no understanding. They are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. Again, all good in a reprobate nation becomes evil, and all evil then becomes good. That's in a morally corrupt nation like America. Let's see. Can I read that again and put America in there? For Americas are foolish. They have not known me. They are stupid children. They have no understanding. They are wise to do evil, but to do good, uh-uh. They have no knowledge. That's exactly what Jeremiah faced in the southern kingdom as Judah was about to be destroyed by the Babylonians. In Jeremiah 6.10, to whom shall I speak and give warning so that they may hear? Behold, their ear is uncircumcised and they cannot listen. Behold, the words of the Lord is unto them a reproach, and they have no delight in it. I would say in America today, a lot of Americans have no delight in the Word of God, no interest in hearing the Word of God. Their ears are not open to the Word of God. Part of it is because of what's been presented in the past, and people have been abused, and they're now immune to the preaching of the Word of God. And part of it is the conflict that we live in where People constantly, there are organizations that constantly oppose the teaching of the Word of God in any public venue, any public square, any place that is a governmental agency. You can't talk about God, can't have a cross, can't have a Bible on your desk, can't pray. I mean, come on. Can't give the gospel in a school anymore because it violates somebody's rights to tell them that Jesus Christ paid for their sins. pitiful. That's what we've become today. Point five, the Word of God teaches thinking skills also, as well as spiritual skills, thinking skills. You can't live in the devil's world if you can't think. And so, A, you have to have some comprehension. You have to have the ability or the capacity to function under spiritual IQ. And that requires some perception, cognition, metabolization of the word of God inside your stream of consciousness. And those are all big words. Perception means you listen. Cognition means you understand. Metabolization means you apply of the word of God in your thinking, in your stream of consciousness. Your stream of consciousness is like a river. It flows 24 hours a day. And what's in your conscience is supposed to be great norms and standards that will protect you, guide you, and direct you in your life. It starts off with your parents teaching you these things. So you must have thinking skills like comprehension. You must have B, memory skills. This is retention in your stream of consciousness. And the issue here is the rate of learning must be greater than the rate of forgetting. If you study consistently, you need to review your notes. If you don't review them, if you just write them in a notebook and put them on a shelf, then, and I've done this, I know this for a fact, the rate of forgetting is greater than the rate of learning. You have to learn daily and you have to review what you've learned in your memory so that you can process it and pull it up or else the wheels tracks get silted in and you'll know there's something there. You say, oh, I remember there's a verse, but I don't know where it was. Or I remember the pastor said something about that, but I just can't remember what he said. Well, there used to be wheel tracks to that memory, and now the wheel tracks are silted in, and you can't get back to the memory, can you? And then there must be problem solving. The Word of God teaches problem solving as a thinking skill, and that's why we have 10 problem solving devices, which are a grace gift from God. And the only, the only accurate system of application in both the spiritual life and in the establishment way of thinking as well. You must have the ability to solve your own problems. You can't depend on your aunt or your uncle or your grandmother, your grandfather to solve your problems. And the last thing you need to do is run to the preacher. You should know the word of God and you should be able to solve your problems. If he's taught it to you from the pulpit and you listened and comprehended and complied, then he equipped you to solve your own problems. How can you glorify God depending on someone else to solve your problems? That's like taking a test and having to lean over and ask the kid next to you, what's the answer? I don't know it. You're going to be tested, and you've got to be able to solve your problems. Decision-making is another thinking skill. That means you must understand the issues of life and decide on a course of action. Exactly what is God's will for my life? What is God's will for my life? What is his geographical will? What does he want me to think? What does he want me to be? What does he want me to do? And this is critical for your life. If you don't understand that, then you wind up in the wrong place during the wrong time, and you just short circuit yourself from God's blessing. And many, many people do that. They get a promotion, they get a job, they see a great opportunity, And away they go. They leave their local church. They leave the place that they were growing spiritually. They move off to a new city, to a new job, and they abandon their study of the Word of God. And it doesn't take long until they crash and they burn. Stick with the source of feeding. Stay in the corral. We're sheep. We need a shepherd. And if you don't stick with that shepherd, you wind up in trouble sometime. And now we have memory, skills, comprehension, memory, problem solving, decision making, and awareness. Very critical. Awareness. That's extensive knowledge of God's Word and the ability to interpret the situation that you face so that you can make an accurate application to every circumstance in your life. You will know what the Word of God wants you to do. You know the Word of God says to do it. and you have peace about it when you do it. The next principle that I want to give you, number five, was the Word of God teaches thinking skills, and we went through those, comprehension, memory, problem solving, decision making, and awareness, and number six, The fear panic syndrome can rearrange the way you think in your life if you're not careful. And this is where we have to issue a warning to all believers. You cannot afford to fall back into emotions in an extreme crisis, because if you do, then your soul will be rearranged like the topography of the earth after an earthquake. Listen to 1 Thessalonians 3.3. We sent Timothy, our brother and fellow worker for God in the gospel of Christ to strengthen you, encourage you about your faith so that no one would be shaken by these afflictions that they face. For you yourself know we were destined for this. Shaken. Shaken. That's a part that's just like the earthquake shakes and the topography of the land is rearranged. When we go through a crisis in our life, if we're not careful, if we move into emotions, then our whole way of thinking changes and we get in trouble. We cannot afford to do that. Paul did not want the Christians in Thessalonica to lose their spiritual balance because He didn't want them to lose their stability as a result of the trials they were facing, what they were experiencing, which was simply opposition from the Jews who opposed the Christian faith, criticism, hatred. So when you face these things in your life, when you face critical tests, if you go into emotions over sickness and health or finances, you can be rearranged when you come out the other side because you don't think like you used to think. Instead of going to the Word of God, you went to your emotions, and it's a dangerous situation. See, in the game of life, you're only going to get one shot at it. That's all. That's why you need as much biblical information as possible. Because without the information, you will never understand your options in your life. But with God's grace provisions and with your positive volition, nothing can distract you from reaching his desired will and purpose for your life. And what is that? John 14, 27. Peace. I leave with you. My peace I give unto you. Not the peace the world gives. No, no, no. That's not the peace I give you, the Lord Jesus Christ said. And then he said, let not your hearts be troubled and don't be afraid. Phenomenal advice from our Savior. A wonderful way to live. I hope you're listening. I hope you're learning. And I hope you'll come back with me next week. Same time, same place, same station. We're always here faithfully for you. I'm Rick Hughes. This is The Flotline. We bring it to you every Sunday morning at this time. Thank you for being our guest today.
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And it's not compassionate to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, or lives via force. Force can obviously be a weapon, but it's also policy and unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation. the World Economic Forum agenda that moves in with the globalist elites agenda of the United Nations. The Colorado State Legislature advanced the bill yesterday, late into the night, which was the bill that takes away our rights. This is from Colorado Newsline. Colorado Senate Committee advances bill to ban guns that accept detachable magazines. And again, that testimony all went to very, very late yesterday. But this is taking away the right to keep and bear firearms to protect ourselves against bad actors. And so again, as we're going through this list, policy, legislation, And so, yeah, the Colorado State Legislature, the Colorado Governor, the World Health Organization. I guess we don't have to say that one right now because we are out of that. Land use codes, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. If something's a good idea, we should not need to use force to implement it. On the show, we're focusing on the issues and not the personalities. And there's always all these factions, which gets our attention off of the principles, these values, foundational values that we need to be reclaiming for our state and for our country. And so I got through all this. I wanted to also mention, let's see here. Okay. Got all those things. Thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. And again, it's because of these great sponsors and all of you that we're able to have our independent voice on the line. And I'm so pleased to... Welcome, Teresa, to our team who is our partnership liaison, and she's going to be doing an amazing job with that. And if you are interested in learning more about how you can be a sponsor partner of the show, text me at 720-605-0647, and we will get you connected with Teresa because we've got a lot of great things planned for this whole year. There's a lot going on. Our word of the day is aperture, and it's spelled A-P-E-R-T-U-R-E. It's a noun. Number one, it could be an opening such as a hole, gape, or slit. Number two, a usually acceptable opening in an optical instrument such as a camera. Or a telescope that limits the amount of light passing through a lens or onto a mirror. And so that is our word of the day. I think that we could use it easily when we're looking at the Trump administration. He's kind of kicking in his aperture here regarding electricity. the mandate to reclaim America. The headlines are just, they keep on coming, and we'll talk about those here in just a moment. Our quote of the show, or quote for today, is from George Whitefield. He was born in 1714. He died in 1770. He was also known as George Whitefield. He was an English Anglican minister and preacher who was one of the founders of Methodism and the evangelical movement. He was born in Gloucester, and he matriculated at Pembroke College, Oxford in 1732. He then joined the Holy Club and was introduced to John and Charles Wesley, with whom he worked closely in his later ministry. Unlike the Wesleys, he embraced Calvinism. And he said this, he said, "'Press forward, do not stop, "'do not linger in your journey, "'but strive for the mark set before you.'" And again, George Whitefield, press forward. Do not stop. Do not linger in your journey, but strive for the mark set before you. I did choose three things on this day in history that I thought were interesting. 1594, on this day in history, and I get this from on this day, mathematician John Napier dedicates his plain discovery of the whole revelation of St. John to King James VI. He predicts the end of the world in 1688 or 1700. In 1892, the Coca-Cola Company is incorporated in Atlanta, Georgia. And then I thought this was super interesting because I've asked this question and I have not really seen an answer to this. And in 2021, the proposal to prevent the feminization of male adolescence is published by China's Education Ministry, and it asks schools to use sports to cultivate masculine masculinity. So China is doing that. That's 2021. And over here, we've had this movement regarding the transgender activism, telling boys that they can be girls and girls can be boys and boys can be in girls' restrooms. Trump is going to do something about that or is doing something about that. And in fact, this is from NBC News and says Trump signed sweeping order to further restrict trans care for minors nationwide. This is really, really huge. And it says the order titled Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation intends to restrict access to gender. They call it gender affirming care. It would be medical mutilation. or pharmaceutical mutilation of children, including puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and that they're defined as those younger than 19. It prohibits federal funding from covering such care for minors, restricts Research and education grants to medical schools and hospitals and directs the Secretary of Health and Human Services to issue regulations to end such care for minors. And then today, RFK Jr. will be on Capitol Hill for his hearing for Senate confirmation. And I believe that starts at 8 a.m. our time. And you can watch that live. That hearing and I know many, many people are going to be super interested in that. So this again is really huge with this sweeping order by Trump. So next headline that I wanted to hit as we. Had mentioned Donald Trump said that he was going to put a freeze on all federal grants and until we can get a hand handle on those grants and loans, a federal judge blocked that. So that is going to be interesting to see how that plays out. And then let's see. Next thing, ICE has been very, very busy. And this is from U.S. News. Trump administration gives ICE quota of 1,800 arrests per day across the United States. And they are serious about this. Did see the photo of Kristi Noem as the head of Homeland Security. She had what looked like a flak vest on. She is pretty gorgeous, I have to say. She wore it well. But they're serious. And so that is pretty remarkable. And here in Colorado yesterday, Let me get to this Colorado drug bust. This is from Fox News. Colorado drug bust uncovers cartel connected illegal aliens and approximately one hundred and thirty thousand fentanyl pills, which that could kill a lot of people. And this drug bust was near Denver, Colorado. And it was two cartel connected illegal aliens and the seizure of various drugs, including this very large stash of fentanyl pills. It was a joint operation of the Drug Enforcement Agency's Rocky Mountain Field Division and the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area Task Force. They executed a search warrant at an apartment complex in the Denver area on Monday morning. And it showed the law enforcement officers approaching and then breaching the door to the first level apartment. And it says the two men were not identified by name, but they were arrested. And the message to the bad guys, the next door we kick in just may be yours. RMFD captioned one of its videos from the bust. So they are very, very serious. Let's see. Next thing, Donald Trump. The Trump administration is offering buyouts to all federal workers with it's not all of them, but quite a few ahead of their return to the office. And he's offering this to 2 million federal employees to a buyout if they do not intend to return to work in person later this year. And this is from The Hill that I'm reporting this. It says, four sources confirmed to The Hill that the emails are set to go out beginning Tuesday evening to the federal employees informing workers that they can retain benefits and be paid through September if they hand in their resignation by February 6th. Let's see. One other thing, this here in Colorado, this is from KUSA TV. It says a nonprofit receives an order from Trump, the Trump administration, to stop programs for immigrants. And it's the Rocky Mountain Immigrant Advocacy Network has been ordered to stop three programs providing services and resources to to immigrants in detention or fighting deportation proceedings in Colorado as a result of an executive order signed by President Trump. So there is much going on and we want to keep you informed on that. Have great guests here. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And one of the volunteer things that I am working on is with the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. I am the president and blessed to work with an amazing board. And we have one of our fellow board members on the line with us. And she is the secretary of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, which is an all-volunteer group. And that is Wendy Warner. Wendy, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. Glad to be here.
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Well, great to have you. And let's talk just a little bit about the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. You've been volunteering with the group for quite some time, and it provides an amazing service for the people of Colorado. We look at legislation that is proposed within our pledge and work to protect the taxpayer, which is everybody. Colorado's Taxpayers' Bill of Rights, also known as TABOR, property rights, school choice. And so we will review all of the bills that are scheduled for hearing. And then I will put that out. The bills that look like they fit into our pledge, I'll put that out to our team on Friday evening. You guys work all weekend to come up with a position. If we have a majority position on that, then we will Take a position, obviously, on that. Send an email to all legislators, the governor, and our email list of our members, and really working to keep people informed, Wendy.
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Yes, and believe me, when you have as many bills as the legislature dropped this week, it took all weekend. I'd like to encourage all your listeners to go to ColoradoTaxPayer.org, which is our website, and sign up for that newsletter.
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And it's only $25, which I figured it out, Wendy, it's $2.08 a month. And for that $2.08 a month, people get hours and hours of our volunteers working on this analysis. I think it's the best bargain in town.
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Yes, and this analysis, by the way, is really a synopsis of the bills and the problems or the benefits of that bill. Very easy to read, not something that's time-consuming. You can breeze through it fairly easily to find the things that affect you.
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And so, again, we'd really recommend people join us at coloradotaxpayer.com. And I want to say thank you to our other – is it .org? I should know that.
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I think we're .org.
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I think you're right. Yeah, it is coloradotaxpayer.org. And our other members of the board are, and say thank you to these folks, is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, and Corey Onasorg. So let's jump in here to this first one, which got out of committee yesterday, I would say, unfortunately, and that is Senate Bill 003, which is the firearms, the magazine bill. And so that's really an assault upon our Second Amendment rights, Wendy. Absolutely.
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You know, this is part of a repeated effort of the current legislature and the media past ones to chip away at our Second Amendment rights. And every single legislative session, they come up with something more. This one's pretty big. It prohibits the manufacture, distribution, sale, and purchase of specified automatic firearms. And it literally prevents Coloradans from their right that's given in the Constitution of the United States to keep and bear firearms. It's an assault on our constitutional rights. But this legislature keeps on putting more and more of these kinds of things into our law. Plus, they use the safety clause on it. And the safety clause means, oh, you the citizens are a little too dumb to know about this stuff yourself. We're not going to allow you to create a petition to withdraw this law.
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It's a real slap in the face. It is. And the safety clause was put in to Colorado's constitution because if there was a real emergency and that the legislature needed to make sure that something – would go into effect immediately. That was why it was put there, but it is really used and abused. And on that weekly email that we send out to the legislature, the governor, and our members, we have an excellent synopsis at the bottom regarding the safety clause. And they are using and abusing it, as you said. So how about the next one, Wendy, and that's Senate Bill 25. So how these are noted is it's SB 25 or Senate Bill 25. So it's in the Senate. It's year 2025. And then the bill number is 045, the health care payment system analysis.
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And this is another one that is just a pattern that we see where the legislature authorizes taxpayer money to to promote a particular survey or piece of research that will then come back and propose exactly what they want. And they could say, oh, the research showed this. And in this case, it's part of their effort to undo our medical care system and make it all government controlled. So this bill is to study a statewide universal health care payment system. In other words, a state run health care system. And again, they want to study this major change, and then they'll come right back with a bill to propose to do that. They do this over and over again. And, you know, past experiments that states have done for state rent system have really failed. And all they're doing is using our taxpayer money. to promote this socialistic scheme.
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And Wendy, what I've learned is typically when government gets involved in a program, the price goes up, the quality goes down, and the supply becomes limited. And we've seen that with socialized medicine across the world. And but it seems that they want to, as you mentioned, they have this analysis and then they'll come back with the legislation on this. The prime sponsors on this is Senator Sonia Waukesha Lewis, Senator Janet Marchman, Representative Karen McCormick and Representative Andrew Bosenecker. So we do want to name those people that are pushing that forward. So, Wendy, our third one, and this is a good one, right?
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Right. There are good pieces of legislation. Usually they get shelved lately, but this one's a good one. We're looking at a House Bill 1069, and this is one that Stephanie Luck has proposed, and it's to publish early, before the legislature starts, legislation that's being proposed or thought of so that We, the citizens, can go in there and comment on them. We can contact people in advance before they even introduce the legislation to give our opinion and say, gee, could you tweak this? Think of all the legislation that affects small business. If they could see it ahead of time coming and could comment on it and maybe change it a bit so it doesn't impact them so much, it would be great. This idea of publishing this, putting it online so that everybody could see legislation before it actually is introduced is great for transparency and giving the public a chance to react.
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Well, because this last week there were 77 bills that were scheduled for hearing. And actually, I made a comment apparently, and I appreciated the call from Representative Dan Woog yesterday. He said that maybe months and months ago I had said something along the line, and I'm not exactly sure what it was, but that our legislators are passing legislation without actually reading it. And there are those legislators out there that really are working to get their brains around what all of this means. But with this 77 bills that were scheduled for hearing for this last week, it is very difficult for legislators to read all those bills and know exactly what is being proposed and what they're voting on.
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Exactly. If anybody reads those bills, I mean, any of us normal legislators, It's page after page of legalese. It's not easy, and it takes hours and hours. And that's just to read it, but to really digest it or get other opinions takes quite a bit of time. It's like they're throwing so much mud against the wall trying to see what can stick. It's a really scary way of approaching legislation. So I think this would be a great move.
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I think it would be. Again, that's House Bill 25-1069, increased stakeholder participation by Stephanie Luck. And so there's some really good pieces of legislation that have been proposed. There's been legislation that's been proposed to change or reverse, I would say, some of this bad legislation out there. And in fact, we'll talk with... Representative Ryan Gonzalez in the last hour, he had a bill to to reverse this Hinn's cage. Yes. And that didn't make it out of committee. But I love the fact that we've got and it's Republicans that are working to try to push government back into the proper role that it's supposed to be. So, Wendy, first of all, you're doing a great. Go ahead.
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I was just going to say, please read our synopsis and look for the patterns. We see many patterns like giving tax benefits to only one group versus everybody or making it more difficult for business. There were four bills that made it harder for small business. And those kinds of things we've got to pay attention to. There's just patterns in this legislation.
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Well, and Wendy, I appreciate all the great work that you and the whole team does on this. And it is really a great service to the people of Colorado. We'd love to have you join us. And you can join us by going to coloradotaxpayer.org. And thank you for the synopsis on this, Wendy, and keep up the great work.
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Thanks a lot, Kim.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly emails newsletter and you'll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. Pleased to have on the line with me, Peter Berneger. He is the founder of the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice. And we worked with him in raising money. Thank you to all of you to file a lawsuit here in Colorado before it was a few days before November 5th. regarding our voter rolls are in need of some cleaning, I would say. Peter Berneger, welcome to the show.
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Hi, Kim. Good morning.
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Good to have you. And lots happening in our world with the Trump administration. Now into office, Peter Berneger.
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It is just what a celebration for all the citizens of the United States of what Trump has been doing, what a real leader. And I want to share something with you. I have certain contacts and try to push certain things. And I know for a fact in the top five of his list to investigate, one of them is the Russian collusion hoax. However, on that list also is to expose the six swing states of them stealing the 2020 presidential election. And, of course, there's other things. Many other elections they stole, too, from 2018 to 2022. Certain races, especially now on the November 5th race, a lot of the down ballot races like the four senators. And this is based on, you know, information and data. It's not just speculation. And, of course, that explosive video that came out of Orange County. Colorado showing the election worker feeding the ballots through three times.
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So California, that was California, right?
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Or was that Colorado? California. Okay. And imagine they have information that five congressmen in California had their races stolen. So imagine if we pick up five congressional seats and And it's still a possibility because Congressman Comer said the other day that he's he's aware of it and they're investigating. And but again, back on top on the list with Kash Patel, you know, the FBI director and the Pam Bondi is investigating the theft in particular of the six swing states. Now, this includes the voting machines. So I know Trump has said it multiple times. He has the goods. He has the information. And people like myself and others across the United States who have been working on this forever, we have the goods. And we've been supplying it to him and his team. And he's coming. He's serious. He's going to come and prosecute. So this is going to expose it because it was all we could see over time. It was all interconnected here. This includes Jenna Griswold, so I'm getting back to Colorado, that they were all taking orders from somebody on a national scale, and I think it's the National Security Council and probably some three-letter agencies I've named in my tweets. They're coming for him. So that's the fantastic news, and you can see that he's deadly serious on what he's done already, and it's not even the end of January.
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Yeah, it's it's remarkable. Well, talking about Colorado and the lawsuit that we were able to file because of, again, all of our listeners that stepped forward to fund this half of the lawsuit, you funded the other half. And of course, we used your Titan technology on this. This, I think, is good to have this lawsuit there. I think it as it looked as we talk about what Trump might be doing here regarding elections. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. And what what happened when we tried to first send a letter before the lawsuit was filed, we send a letter and General Griswold responds. And then it got handed off to Colorado's real secretary of state, which is Christopher Beale. And then he tried to give what he did send us some nasty letters. which then the suit was filed, as promised. The suit is pending. And when you do get into this stage, frankly, it does get into a little bit of like watching paint dry. It's kind of a ping pong ball going back and forth. And, you know, the attorneys arguing and filing motions back and forth. And now they have it went from Christopher Beal, though, to the lead attorney for Colorado on this case, Dan Bauman, B-A-U-M-A-N-N. So he's the one now that we're negotiating with, if you will, in addition to the lawsuit being filed to keep the pressure on. So I also could tell you and share with you this, is that President Trump and his team are specifically going to be going after the voter registration lists they know that's the gateway to starting and carrying out the election fraud. So even though we have the lawsuit filed, it's pending, I'm still hoping for the Calvary to come in and wipe all these voter lists in all 50 states and get them clean, get a proper system in place that's maintained. And frankly, I always question, why do we even need voter rolls? on a statewide level. Why even have them? Because, for example, you know, we didn't have them for hundreds of years, if you will, in the country. And then the state of North Dakota still doesn't have a statewide voter list. They just have their local election clerk with the files in their office of the local voter rolls. So there is no electronic list. And that's very attractive. So the bad guys can't go in there and start changing the list or submitting registrations across the state to get phony registrations in there.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, Peter, how does that work regarding the Constitution? If Trump comes in and cleans voter lists across all 50 states, each state does have a they're supposed to really be conducting their elections. So how how can that happen from a constitutional standpoint?
SPEAKER 07 :
Easy. He could cut off their funding. So it's just like when they do road building or other projects for schools, he could cut off their funding and he can cut off federal funding for anything. So if they say you either clean up your rolls and do it this way or your funding for whatever for your schools is cut off, for example.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, and clearly after just a little over a week in office, he certainly would definitely use that tool in his toolbox, Peter Berninger.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, without a doubt. I mean, he already is. And another exciting thing is that yesterday he signed an executive order to stop funding all grants and loans from the federal government. Now, unfortunately... After that, they had a merging some nonprofit filed in the District Court of Washington, D.C., and they halted his executive order. However, you know, President Trump, he's going to find a way. And what he what he did is pause all government grants and loans. to NGOs or nonprofits. And that's exactly where the, uh, Biden administration went to. So I called it, I put it in my tweet yesterday at Peter Berger on Twitter racks, uh, that is the fifth branch of government. And, and we identified now all of them, 55,000 liberal, uh, NGOs across the nation. And most of them are being funded by the federal government, and that's where all these liberals go and place themselves, get these big paychecks, and they're just biding time, and they're doing dirty work that the government can't or won't do. And so then if they do it in a nonprofit, then they're hidden from Freedom of Information Act public records requests. So that's what's happening. Like the Department of Homeland Security, in fact, created its own – nonprofit called CIS, Center for Internet Security. They're the ones funded by the federal government, but they're not officially the government. And they're the ones sticking their fingers into our elections.
SPEAKER 17 :
So and the other thing is, is on these NGOs and in the government grants. Yes, that's been a huge funder. But also we saw, for example, Mark Zuckerberg in the 2020 election gave over 400 million dollars to the Center for Tech and Civic Life, which was a nonprofit. So connect the dots. He got a tax tax write off for that. So it's it's very. very incestuous on the left on how they've been able to make these NGOs work for their agenda.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, and all these nonprofits, they've turned so many of them, they've been taken over by liberals over the years or decades. And the Catholic Charities is a prime example. And I'll disclose, I'm Catholic, and I can't stand the Catholic Charities because they're corrupt. It's like the Red Cross. I mean, it's stunning when you read about the Red Cross, Catholic Charities, There's a certain sect of the Lutherans. There's a Jewish family. I think I can't remember a foundation or fund it's called. And these are the ones who are getting these multimillion dollars from the federal government, again, to literally bring traffic human beings, including children, into our country. And it's sickening, but that's where the evil is taken over. using our tax dollars to ruin our country, to steal our country from us. So he announced and signed yesterday, President Trump, he did ban all money going to the Catholic Charities, and I know he's going to do some more. Now, that was an individual executive order, and he stated he's going to be taking away their 501c3 status, which is phenomenal. It'll shut them down because it just turned into such a corrupt organization. You know, the name, the hiding behind the name.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and somebody sent me over some information. Apparently the four bishops in Colorado issued a statement regarding the immigrant, which is certainly we care about immigrants, refugees. But what's happened, Peter, is the thing, the good things about America that we care about others are The radical activist left has taken that, and they've used it against us. And then, to your point, Catholic Charities, I have a friend who's Catholic, and she said, you know, she's so conflicted about this because she cares about immigrants, but yet we're realizing it's been, and this is my comments, we're realizing that that care is being used to invade our country. And I was... friends this weekend, and they had a new documentary regarding the trafficking of children into America under this guise of immigration. And it's unconscionable what is happening with that, Peter Berneger.
SPEAKER 07 :
But there's a solution, a very easy solution for your friend and others who want to help people and be a good Christian, is that you help them in their own country. Look, there's close to 8 billion people in the world. You can't have 8 billion people come to the United States. It's not possible. So what you do is you keep them in their countries. And even the better news is if you privately give money or the federal government does give them money to help the poor, really help the poor, not skim it off, is that the money goes, you than if people move to the United States. So help them in their own countries to develop. That's the solution to this illegal immigration and also still being compassionate to help people to get up a leg in their life. But they've got to stay in their countries unless they come through the allowed legal process. system of immigration in the United States. That would be determined by the government at the time. That's the way to do it. Keep them in their countries and help them down there. That's the way.
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good plan good answer on that and i'm talking with peter berneger with the wisconsin center for election justice regarding elections did want to mention the usmc memorial foundation which is a great non-profit all volunteers raising money for the remodel of the marine memorial which is located right here in colorado and get more information, go to their website. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. You'll see their plans and you can help them there and would highly recommend that you add them into your giving. And again, usmcmemorialfoundation.org. We have all of these discussions because of our great sponsors. The Fed is meeting today. And so our mortgage expert, Lauren Levy, will be on tomorrow to let us know what they're up to. But for everything mortgages, reach out to Lauren Levy.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Another nonprofit that I dearly love is the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. A couple of things. They have great educational programs for both homeschool and for public schools. And also they do these great on-value speaker series, and they're going to have a great event on February 12th. And it is Drew Dix, co-founder and Medal of Honor recipient, is going to present on the real Cold War. He was stationed in Greenland for a number of years. So that's going to be super interesting and reach out to them to RSVP. Peter Berneger, this is going to be pretty amazing regarding this election integrity. And you mentioned... that there might be four senators and just five congressmen in California that you'd be looking into those races. That changes our governing body significantly if we get something done on that, Peter.
SPEAKER 07 :
I was told by a person high up in the Trump team who's an attorney now in the United States Attorney General's office that 50 percent, of the Democrats in the U.S. Congress stole their elections. 50% of the congressmen of Democrats in the U.S. Congress have stolen their election. That's how bad and prevalent election fraud really is. President Trump knows, and I am promising from the word I have, is that Trump is coming and he's going to hammer these people and prosecute at least the top players are the ones who stole the election in particular in the 2020 election.
SPEAKER 17 :
What does that mean for Colorado?
SPEAKER 07 :
Because if people look at Colorado, I think it means that they're going to expose your, uh, the extremely dirty voter list and, and fix it. And they're going to get rid of the machines and the dominion machines. I believe, uh, ES and S and dominion and heart civic are going to be, uh, bankrupt, and they're going to eliminate absentee mail-in ballots. They're going to have same-day in-person voting, even having a federal holiday every four years for it. And that's the big thing, voter ID on a national scale. And again, that comes back to Trump would enforce that by cutting off any federal funding to a state if they don't do it. So those are the ones those are the changes that they're looking at making.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, those are very significant and that certainly would affect Colorado significantly. So what the those that have pushed forward this voter fraud, what what do you think they're how are they going to respond? What's what's the fight on that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I think – you mean the people who committed the election fraud?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. What are they going to do?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, they're going to be prosecuted by Kash Patel and Pam Bondi. Trump has made that very clear, not only in private but publicly. He's coming after them. One is you could see it from his tweets, and then second, again, from my sources, that that's part of it, that he's not going to let them get away with it, which led to all this – You know, it led to the assassination attempts. It led to him being prosecuted or persecuted by these bogus, unlawful lawsuits against him or the criminal ones. You know, Fannie Willis and Letitia James in New York and Alvin Bragg in New York. You know, those are all unlawful criminal prosecutions against him. And that's why he's so mad and focused, because, you know, obviously it happened to him personally. And it really was a slap in the face to all of us.
SPEAKER 17 :
So next question, if I remember right, some of those congressional seats in California, they voted or they were counting votes on that for several weeks. Yes. And ultimately, the Democrat was noted as the winner.
SPEAKER 07 :
And five of them were all tied to Orange County, and there was a fake bomb threat. And once you know it, everybody, the election officials, all the observers, get this, all the observers were kicked out because of the fake bomb threat. And then all the election workers moved to a different location. And that's when they caught the video of this lady feeding the ballots through three times. It's on joehoff.com. You can view the video for yourself. And that affected multiple races, and then they have other information in addition to that. But there's also Senator Sam Brown, a candidate, the U.S. Senate candidate Eric Hovde here in Wisconsin, who, you know, they got their races stolen from them. In Wisconsin, just a side note, for the U.S. Senate race, Eric Hovde versus Tammy Baldwin, they stole the downed ballots by utilizing same-day voter registration. And we went to a ward, Ward No. 42 in the city of Milwaukee, at 2.30 in the afternoon on November 5th, to give you a real example. At that point in time, we asked the chief inspector how many people cast a ballot, and she said about 600. And that's on Election Day, of course. And then we asked, because we saw all kinds of people with paperwork in their hands, why would you be standing in the vote with paperwork? 500 out of the 600 were registered as same-day registration to vote. Now, Wisconsin has that, unfortunately. It's legal to do it, unfortunately. But out of one ward in the city of Milwaukee, I would expect maybe 10 to 15. would be a normal for that size of the ward. There were 500 same-day registrations. That was a key part of how they stole the U.S. Senate race from Eric Hovde.
SPEAKER 17 :
So two minutes left, Peter Berneger. With this down ballot manipulation, how is it that President Trump won? Now, Joe Biden received 81 million, purportedly, 81 million votes in 2020, and Kamala Harris received 76 million. One has to ask, where did those 6 million votes go? But how did Trump win?
SPEAKER 07 :
He won because patriots like us and others, we had – some were paid, private license investigators. We had 17 people at the Milwaukee Central Count, which is the largest location of volume of ballots in our state. We also had three people embedded up at the Green Bay Central Count and others in Wayne County, Michigan, Delaware County, Pennsylvania, and Fulton County, Georgia. We have photos, we have videos, and many of them have been published on the Internet, where we stopped them from bringing it in. Somebody got nervous, and the ballots were there. In Wayne County, you see the women carrying, they happened to be two black women, they were carrying boxes of ballots to go into the counting center late at night. They were stopped. The white trucks in Pennsylvania were stopped. the ballots down in Milwaukee were stopped from coming in. Give me an example. In 2020, Milwaukee had 170,000 absentee ballots. In November 5th, it was 108,000. So it dropped dramatically by 60,000 ballots. And how can that be? How could it drop from 60,000 ballots at one location from 2020 to 2024. We stopped them. We stopped them from bringing in the 60,000 fraudulent ballots.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, Peter Berneger, well, thank you so much. And we are so pleased that your team has filed this lawsuit as well here in Colorado. Thank you for the amazing work that you're doing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you. Take care.
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indeed let's have a conversation and welcome to our number two of the kim munson show thank you so much for joining us you are each treasured you're valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history and thank you to the team that is producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa and all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy wednesday producer joe happy wednesday kim And that was a pretty amazing information from Peter Berneger regarding our elections in our number one.
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It really was. I was so excited to hear that. It is time for the people who have done wrong to get punished for doing wrong.
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Well, and certainly we want to go through the process of trials and all of that, but it is very, very exciting. So you can check out that first hour will be rebroadcast one to two today. Our second hour is broadcast 10 to 11 every night. And that's on all KLZ 560 platforms, KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. You can find the summaries on my website, kimmunson.com, as well as the podcast. And then those podcasts can also be heard at the streaming services such as Spotify and and iTunes. Do check out the website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. That way you'll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com and text line is 720-605-0647. We won't have calls today because In the last segment, Representative Ryan Gonzalez is going to call in and just give us an update on what happened with his chicken bill, the cage-free bill. And so text me, 720-605-0647. Thank you to all of you who support us. And, yeah, greatly appreciate all of that. Word of the day is aperture, and it's spelled A-P-E-R-T-U-R-E. It's a noun. It could be, number one, it's an opening such as a hole, gap, or slit. And number two, usually an adjustable opening in an optical instrument such as a camera or telescope that limits the amount of light passing through a lens or onto a mirror. And I would say that with all of these things that the Trump administration is doing, they certainly have have an aperture into reclaiming our country. And we have to do our part as well, though. We cannot just rely on. The Trump administration, we as individuals at the local, the county, the state level need to be engaged to reclaim our country and our state. And so he's doing his part. We have to do our part as well. Our quote for the day is from George Whitefield. He was born in 1714. He died in 1770. He was an English Anglican minister and preacher who was one of the founders of Methodism and the evangelical movement. And he said this, he said, press forward. Do not stop. Do not linger in your journey, but strive for the mark set before you. Great words. I think he was very influential in the Enlightenment as well, if I remember right. I have so much history that I need to learn. There's so much out there. And speaking of that, just three things this day in history, in case you missed it in the first hour. 1594, mathematician John Napier dedicates his plain discovery of the whole revelation of St. John to King James VI. Sixth, predicts the end of the world by 1688 or 1700. I guess he was wrong on that. 1892, the Coca-Cola companies are incorporated in Atlanta. And 2021, again, super important. The proposal to prevent the feminization of male adolescents was published by China's education ministry asking schools to use sports. to cultivate masculinity. Meanwhile, back at the ranch here in America with the Biden-Harris administration, they're telling boys that they can be girls and that they can be in girls' locker rooms and that they can compete in girls' sports. You can see that China has a totally different agenda than what the Biden-Harris administration had. That's why it is super amazing that Trump has signed this sweeping order regarding this whole transgender agenda and says that that is not going to continue to occur here in America. So that is a really important executive order. Another thing is that Google Maps are renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America here in all of, I guess, the American maps. They may still call it the Gulf of Mexico and some of the international maps, but they are changing that there. And another headline, this is from Bloomberg, the U.S. halts all defense contract signings. And so they want to get a handle on that. I think also get a handle on where DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion, has been pushed in the military. And yesterday was Caroline Levitt's initial White House briefing. She's young. She's 27. She's a new mom. And she is really impressive. And they're changing some of the things regarding the White House press corps as well, that they're going to have some independent podcasters and broadcasters that will be Part of the press corps and my friend, my friend Yvonne said, Kim, you need to apply for that. So I got to figure out how to do that for sure as well. Yesterday, let's just some of these bills of the day. And I thank Wendy Warner for being on. She is the secretary of the all volunteer group, Colorado Union of Taxpayers. Please join us at ColoradoTaxpayer.org so you can be informed and take action on the different issues that you're concerned about. And you can do that again at ColoradoTaxpayer.org. The Senate Bill 25003 passed out a committee. Apparently it was a 3-2 vote right down party line lines. The party line votes, and it's the semi-automatic firearms and rapid-fire devices bill. It's totally unconstitutional, and the prime sponsors on this are Senator Tom Sullivan, Senator Julie Gonzalez, Representative Andrew Boesenecker, and Representative Meg Froelich. And this basically is an assault upon our Second Amendment rights on the right to keep and bear firearms. And we continue to see this agenda, as Wendy said in the first hour, we continue to see this agenda. Every legislative session, there's something that comes back. They just don't give up. The radical activists just don't give up. And this is our commentary on our recommendation on a no position from the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. It says Colorado is becoming more dangerous because of bad actors who do not follow the law. They use illegal firearms, and they have ill intent. This bill is an attempt to prevent everyday Coloradans from our right to keep and bear firearms, to protect ourselves and our families against law-breaking bad actors. This proposed legislation is an assault on our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, and then very inappropriate use of the safety clause. And let's go ahead and give a shout out to Stephanie Luck, Representative Stephanie Luck, for her House Bill 25-1069 to increase stakeholder participation concerning, in the lawmaking process, have early publishing of bills so that we, the people, can see what is happening regarding all of this legislation. And that's a good bill, and there are good bills out there, and we want to keep you informed on both good and bad bills on all that's happening there. The show comes to you because of our tremendous sponsors. And one of those great sponsors is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team. And they can help you with all of your house, your auto, your boat, your camper. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it is Wednesday, and normally this is a Trent Luce Wednesday. But he said when he was out here at the National Western, he caught the Denver crud, and he's not feeling great. And he suggested, because I had wanted to talk with him about, I saw this come across the headlines, that the FTC said, the Federal Trade Commission, and states are suing Deer and Company to protect farmers from unfair corporate tactics and high repair costs. And he said a gentleman who knows a lot about this is Kevin Kinney. And Kevin is a lifelong Nebraska resident and has an engineering or an ag engineering degree. And he wrote the first right to repair bill for Nebraska in 2015. And he's a clean diesel biofuel systems engineer holding multiple patents. Kevin Kinney, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, good morning, Kim. It's a pleasure to be here.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's good to have you as well. Now, I grew up in western Kansas, Kevin, and a long line of farmers. And I've always just had a great affinity for that green paint and for John Deere. And this is of some concern. Set this up for us. What is going on?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, your grandfather's company is a tractor company. It's evolved into what they call themselves now a software company. So you're basically dealing with big tech headed 1,000 miles an hour towards artificial intelligence and robotic farming. So that's the scenario that we find ourselves in right now.
SPEAKER 17 :
Is that a good thing or is that a bad thing?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well... I think it's a probable thing and the history will judge all this. And of course, you know, it's, it's a natural progress here. They call it innovation. I guess the question I have and the concerns I have is, you know, the robots are coming and who's going to own them and who's going to control them. You know, and there's a thousand different things that can play into that scenario. And that's why, you know, we started working with the right to repair. You credited me with writing the right to repair bill, but actually I had, 99% of the literature was written by Gay Gordon Byrne, who I called out of the blue to ask for help. She's on the phone with me. And so this has been a 10-year battle, and we've lost at about every turn on the state level except Colorado. And I can't say we've actually got a complete win in Colorado, but it is what it is.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, I do remember that piece of legislation coming through because one of the other things that I do as a volunteer gig is president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And I do remember that piece of legislation coming through and trying to understand what it was exactly. So Gay Gordon Byrne, welcome to the show. And Kevin said that you've been very involved in writing this right to repair legislation. So tell us about that and tell us about Colorado.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, happy to do so, and thanks for having me, Kim. Yeah, way back when Kevin called me, and he really did call me out of the blue and said, we need right to repair for agricultural equipment in Nebraska. And I said, cool. And the reason I said that is that I copied, you know, the original right to repair law that was passed in Massachusetts for automobiles. And I took out the word automobile and inserted the word digital electronic product. And because we didn't want to be pinned down to just cell phones and computers, we said, hey, anything with a chip in it is already or will become hard to repair without dealing with the dealership or the manufacturer. And that turned out to be totally true. And so the bill really is the bill that was passed in Colorado. It's actually three sections. It's very comprehensive. And as Kevin said, it's not a complete solution. And part of the reason is, is that deer is not in compliance. They have not offered to comply. They are not working on compliance. And the weak point really is that farmers, unfortunately, are the ones that are going to have to call the attorney general's office and say, I have a problem. And that's what terrifies farmers because they're very reliant, beholden, stuck with the dealership technicians. And if they come forward and say – You know, I'm having a problem with John Deere. I think it's a reasonable assumption that they would go to the bottom of the priority list for any repairs that they might need. So they are really quite terrified. And that's unfortunately the group that needs to use their mouths, make some complaints and let the attorney general get pushing on Deere independently of the FTC action. And that's probably going to take a long time.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. And how is it that – yeah, it does. And it seems like if I remember right that there was both Republicans and Democrats that were sponsoring that right to repair bill in Colorado. And, again, I'm doing that from memory, Gay Gordon-Byrne.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, yep. That's really common. Everybody needs to be able to fix their stuff regardless of the political party. And so it tends to be a really truly nonpartisan effort. Now, obviously, if the state is dominated by Democrats, it'll look like a Democrat bill. If it's dominated by Republicans, it'll look like a Republican bill. But it's really irrelevant.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, Kevin Kinney, how is all this relevant to the people living in the urban corridors regarding this John Deere not really allowing farmers to be able to repair their own equipment if they are capable of doing so?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, obviously... commodity prices have a translation to what ends up the grocery store shelf. Okay. And at the current state of affairs, John here basically has a kill switch for agriculture. Okay. And that, that would be not unlike the phone companies back in the mid eighties. I mean, there's the ag monopolies that, um, you know, overcharged and the FTC broke them up. I, you know, I was a little bit young back then to give you all the details, but It is important. When rural economies do well in the Midwest, the big cities profit by that. It's basically a total overall economic system that we live in, and we cannot have one single entity be this influential in agriculture and have it built over the fact that they did it with what I call illegal walks, which the FTC would call tying. I don't want to get down in the weeds too far, but You know, we tried to get an MOU. The American Farm Bureau had the major ag equipment manufacturers sign on, and that stalled. And so now we've got the FTC lawsuit. And, you know, who knows where this is going to go. We've got a commissioner. There's two commissions that have protested the FTC lawsuit out of three. So right now it's three to two. And we really need people to call their state legislators and federal legislators to and keep the pressure on to get some kind of relief here. So that's why I'm on the horn, and that's why it's relevant to the people in the big cities.
SPEAKER 17 :
Because ultimately it could affect our food supply or will affect our food supply. On the one side, the innovation of John Deere tractors, combines, it's pretty impressive, but... But if they have a kill switch on that, and under the O'Biden-Harris administration, Deere was really focused on this whole DEI agenda, which divides us. I think it's anti-human flourishing. And so how did this happen with the leadership at Deere and Company, Kevin Kinney?
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Well, you know, a corporate entity has no conscience, okay? And so they're going to take from the market what they're allowed legally to take from the market. And then you could make the argument that there's a law, then there's a spirit of the law. And I'm not knocking anything in particular about Colorado's right to repair bill, but it's been in effect since January of 2024. So it's been in effect for over 13 months now. And we still can't buy necessary repair parts from John Deere dealerships in Colorado. So, you know, that's kind of the issue that we've got here. We need to get together and have direction from the federal government on this FTC lawsuit. I mean, there's absolutely nothing in the public domain from John Urgewitz dealers about being compliant with state law in Colorado. I can't find any. And my interaction with a local dealer was a dead end. It was just like anywhere else in the country. They refused to sell anything. software driven parts that require payload files. And to not have that ability is not dealer level access. So, you know, we're basically back where we were worse than where we're at 10 years ago when we started all this.
SPEAKER 17 :
So another thing I think in some of the papers that you sent that, okay, this is FTC. This is the press release, I think. It says that this has driven up the equipment repair costs for farmers while also depriving farmers of the ability to make timely repairs on critical farming equipment. And that could be during planting or harvesting season, right, Kevin?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, see, that's just it. You could compare the agricultural equipment systems to the over-the-road truck systems. The over-the-road truck systems have a similar cadence every week out of the year. I mean, you drive so many miles a week, you're good. Farming is like the Army. It's hurry up and wait, okay? So all the equipment wear and tear and all the repairs, the acute repairs that happen unexpectedly, happen within a very short period of time. I mean, you would be more likely to get an Amazon delivery truck to your back door than a John Deere technician during spring planting. And I guarantee all the farmers that are listening to this would probably agree with that overall. It's getting worse as these dealerships consolidate. Nebraska basically has three major dealerships that I know of. They used to have well over 20, 25. And that wasn't that long ago. So, you know, repair is even more complicated, and they build complicity into their repairs, at least that's my opinion, to make it more exclusive on who gets to have the opportunity to do the repairs. It's definitely not for lack of knowledge. There's a lot of ex-employees and there's a lot of current employees that would jump ship if they knew they could survive In the independent repair world, just like the vast majority of over-the-road truck companies or independent franchises, automobile repair, they don't have these problems that ag repair has. And you can make an argument that ag repair and ag equipment systems are more crucial because they actually put food on your table, and that's a basic need.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, it definitely is a basic need. And so, well, let's go to break. I'm talking with Kevin Kinney and Gay Gordon Byrne regarding this right to repair for agricultural equipment. And it seems it sounds like John Deere really has a corner on that market today. And we always like competition. And so we'll continue that discussion. We have this because of our great sponsors. And a great sponsor is Lavaca Meat Company. And beef is a great protein source in our diet. And they really have a premium product. It truly is the steakhouse experience at home.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter, and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And I'm talking with Kevin Kinney, who is a lifelong Nebraska resident, an ag engineer. And he wrote the first right to repair bill in Nebraska in 2015. And he is a clean diesel biofuel systems engineer and has a bunch of patents. And then also talking with Gay Gordon Byrne, who has written a lot of this right to repair legislation. So, Kevin Kinney, what is the ultimate goal with this particular suit with the FTC and the states and the Suing Deer Company?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and I'm not an attorney, but FTC enforces the Sherman Antitrust Act. So this looks like an antitrust action. And, you know, to come to this, for the federal government to have to step up, they're alleging that there's multiple violations that have been brought forward by not only private parties with the Northern Illinois Court case that's not part of the FTC directly. So this has been going on. The lawsuits, the class action lawsuits have been going on for a couple, three years now. And there's been no relief with the MOU. They basically have ignored it, in my opinion, and by everybody else I've talked to. Gay would be a front row seat on how that happened and what's happened since the MOU was signed. And I think she'll probably agree with that. But, you know, when you get right down to it, you got to wonder like, well, Wayne Gretzky, they say he used to skate where the hockey puck was going to be, not where it was. And the big ticket item in precision agriculture is that this is the trade secret of the family farm and of the individual farm tracks themselves. Take, for example, Vizio. They build TVs. They sell half a billion dollars of TVs. But it's reported on the Internet that their data cells have been $2 billion to $4 billion from taking consumers' data. Now, I would say 99% of the consumers did not know or had no idea that their data is being harvested by the TV they're watching. And the same thing goes into General Motors. They had OnStar data thefts. There was a $48 billion lawsuit against General Motors recently just over that same issue, which telematic system data is the core of what precision ag data is. And it's all the equipment manufacturers and their logistic programs that they work with their member cooperatives. The exposure of trade secrets for farm operations is rampant, but it's exclusive to just the people that handle the data in the cloud. And it's subject to what the privacy agreements say, which basically says they're going to take your data and ship it outside of the United States jurisdiction. That comment is enough right there to not only wave the red flag, but to shoot it up in the air with a missile. You can't have this. And that data can be used against the farm operations. So hand-in-hand with Right to Repair, Nebraska stepped forward, and I think Governor Pillen, is in favor of the Agricultural Data Privacy Act. So Nebraska was the first one in agriculture, I believe, and Gay, you can straighten me out. I always like saying that, so just let me say it, please. Initiate a right to repair bill, right? Well, now we're initiating the Agricultural Data Privacy Act, and who knows where this could go. But it's like Reagan and Gorbachev. We can have Trust but verify. A bill that only trusts but has no verification or enforcement is a waste of everybody's time on this side of the coin. And that's what we have to be afraid of is having legislation that doesn't have any teeth and does nothing at the end of the day to stop an ag monopoly from taking over agriculture.
SPEAKER 17 :
Wow. And Gay Gordon Byrne, the American farmer, the American rancher, has always been the epitome of individualistic freedom, that rugged spirit that really built America. And so am I gathering that all of this with deer is obviously the right to repair, but this data component is really important as well, correct, Gay? Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Totally, totally. The data that's flowing off these modern devices tells deer, not necessarily the farmer, how many seeds you planted, how many gallons of fertilizer or other inputs, and then counts how many bushels of whatever it is you're farming on the output side. They know everything. And they regard that data as theirs. It's in their financial reporting. They say, this is the data that we own. They literally claim ownership of the data coming off the farm. And they use it to monetize. They sell a lot of data. They make a boatload of money selling data to the fertilizer manufacturers, the seed manufacturers, you can imagine. And then they also have this I call it an unholy relationship. Deere is a huge financer of farm equipment and a line of credit. So the farmer signs up to buy a piece of equipment, and he can also put his seed purchases and fertilizer purchases and anything else he wants on the line of credit. So the farmer winds up totally tied up in knots. And as you referenced with the The innovation and the self-reliance that is just totally in the DNA of farming, that goes out the window. You get to the point where, you know, something breaks down, it stops working. I think Kevin will tell me. I think it says it throws a code. And then no matter what you do, you've got to call the dealership. So it's a very, very contorted system. It is breaking down. We've had legislation filed for right to repair for various products, including agriculture, in 49 out of 50 states. And it's going to happen. I'm very confident about that.
SPEAKER 17 :
So ideally, Gay, what you want to get to is where there could be dependent businesses that could come and help repair this equipment. Because I can't think that everyday farmers and ranchers are going to be experts on this pretty intricate technology. So the idea is to have competitors to come into the market. Is that right, Gay? Oh, totally.
SPEAKER 08 :
The bills that we've been filing are really just promoting competition. Because it used to be you could fix your own stuff, you could hire a local mechanic, or you could hire the dealership. And now there's nothing in the middle, and you can't fix your own stuff. So it's, yeah, it's all about competition. We should be able to fix – we bought this stuff. We should be able to fix it. As owners, we're really kind of entitled to be able to control our property. So it has resonated very well as a property right, as a monopoly problem. It's very – everybody is facing the same problem, whether or not it's to get their cell phone fixed or their refrigerator fixed or their tractor fixed. We're all being monopolized.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, Kevin Kinney. I have Lauren Fix on a regular basis, Car Coach Reports, and she had mentioned that there is supposed to be a kill switch, I think, beginning in the 2025 models of cars, that basically a computer could determine... That you're distracted driving or you're tired or you're drunk or whatever and could turn on, do a kill switch on your car. And we've talked about the concerns with that. A computer can't, no, in a computer, you can't override a computer function. It's inconceivable to me that this could happen, but what if for some reason they were hacked? I guess even that. Say what if John Deere was hacked and they turned a kill switch on on every tractor during planting or harvest season? Conceivably, because it's so centralized, that could happen, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, I'd like to have somebody from corporate John Deere deny that they were hacked last fall. I'm not going to expand any more on that comment. But I can point to the fact that if you read the headlines a couple of years ago when Russia invaded Ukraine, the Russians were stealing Ukrainian tractors and they mysteriously all shut off at once. Now, think about that. Who did that? Well, obviously, the person in charge of the telematics system for the tractor, right? That was corporate John Deere that did that. you'd have to deduct that. They have the kill switch for agriculture. And, you know, it all goes back to the first hearing that Gay Gordon Byrne and Lewis Rossman, he was a repair guy. Now he's got 2.5 million viewers on YouTube on repair discussions, a good friend of ours. He came all the way to Lincoln, Nebraska. We're sitting in the front row listening to the manager of Landmark Implement, Mike Collins. And I'm going to quote him on LB 1072, February 2016. That's almost 10 years ago. His quote is still relevant. These guys, this attitude has only gotten worse. He said, quote, unquote, times have changed. Our products have changed. And because of that, we need to control that product and control the repair or change of that product. It's becoming important. So that's their mentality and the echo chamber that these guys live in. They actually think they're doing us a favor by controlling our equipment, and it can't be anywhere further from the truth. So I get a little wound up on this, but, I mean, Gay talked to 100 farmers last week at San Antonio at the American Farm Bureau Convention. Gay, was there one farmer that was against right to repair? No. No. Nope.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, well, let's button this up. Let's go to you first, Gay, regarding kind of the final thought. And I will let you know, this came in on the text line. Well, a couple of things. Oh, gosh. Now, this is a question, but I've got to ask it. It says, John Deere and Bill Gates article. Bill Gates has also been purchasing a lot of farmland. for quite a few years. Gay, is there any connection that you have been concerned about with Deere and Bill Gates?
SPEAKER 08 :
Honestly not. We're operating at kind of a national scale, even international, where all we're trying to do is restore competition for the business of repair. And there's a lot of inputs to that and a lot of associated, you know, follow-on things. And we're not We're not fighting, you know, who owns the land. We've stepped aside from that. So I can't say anything about it. I'm not even read in on it.
SPEAKER 17 :
You can only do one. You got to focus on what you can do something about. And then also this came in from a listener. It says, I pray for the farmers and their families every day. I'll include this in my prayers of what we're speaking about today. And this is the kinds of things that Trump is trying to fight. So that's from one of our listeners as well. That text line is 720-605-0647. So Gay, Gordon Byrne, your final thought. And then Kevin, I'll go to you for your final thought.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'll go back to your first question, which is why should somebody in an urban environment care? And I'll just reiterate, if you eat, you care. You might not realize how important it is, but farmers are operating on extremely thin margins. Pretty much everybody we spoke with at the convention said, I farmed like 6,000 acres, and I had these crops, and I lost money on all of them. So if farmers are losing money on the farm, they're not going to farm very much. And the equipment is so expensive, I'd say that half the people we spoke to won't buy new equipment, even though it greatly enhanced their productivity, because they can't fix it. they can't know when they head out in the field that the equipment's going to stay working. And that kills the productivity on the farm, which turns into higher food costs. So, yeah, everybody should care.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. Excellent point. And, Kevin Kinney, your final thought.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, I want to give a shout-out to Trent Luce, who I've followed for years, a great spokesman for the family farm and the traditional values and Christian values that we all share. either want to have more of or appreciate all the time. Trent's a wonderful person to work with, and he's sick today. So Gay and I are just standing in trying to emulate his presence. But as far as I'm concerned, there has to be a way for John here to lose any ability to control a product once it leaves their doors. And the dealers can't geofence their customers anymore. I mean, we need to just cut the umbilical cord. And we should have access directly to secure parts and whatever software-related items we need, just like the truck industry and the automobile industry. It's that simple. They're not going to change. They're not going to change the way they do business. The attitude set, it's got to get fixed. That's basically my suggestion. But thank you, Kim.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, thank you, Kevin Kinney, and thank you, Gay Gordon-Byrne, for the information on this. Greatly appreciate it. So thank you.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, thanks, Kim. Okay. Yeah, thanks, Gay.
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and welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website uh that is kim munson m-o-n-s-o-n.com and sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we're an independent voice we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom and something's a good idea you should not have to force people to do it And do check out the website for the Center for American Values. That is AmericanValuesCenter.org. They're going to have a really great on values presentation by Drew Dix, who is a co-founder of the center, along with Brad Padula. And Drew is a recipient of the Medal of Honor for actions he took during the Vietnam War. But he was stationed in Greenland for a number of years. And he's going to present on the real Cold War. And he's going to talk about things that for many years he couldn't. And so check all that out at AmericanValueCenter.org. That event is on February 12th. Pleased to have on the line with me Representative Ryan Gonzalez. And he serves District 50, which is in Weld County. And he had a very creative, important bill regarding this cage-free chickens law that went into effect. And egg prices have gone up significantly. And so he had this legislation to try to roll that back. So Representative Gonzalez, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hi there, Kim. Good morning. Can you hear me?
SPEAKER 17 :
I got you. And there's a lot happening down at the Statehouse, but your bill, I thought, was so important. And you had a number of other sponsors on the bill. And it was heard in committee, was it yesterday?
SPEAKER 06 :
It was on Monday, actually, at 1.30 and the Agriculture Committee. Okay, what happened? So I gave my presentation, my case for the bill, why it's important, why we needed to pass it, and obviously kind of highlighting the issues with mandating cage-free laws across the state, limiting consumer choice, impacting supply, hurting low-income people who are barely making ends meet. Affordability is something that I ran on. And obviously trying to prove the case that it's not just bird flu. You saw it in the media. You saw these other people who were supportive of it in the past. They were basically saying it was just the bird flu, nothing else, nothing more. And we had a lot of people who were supportive of my bill. A lot of people testified. It actually took about over two hours of testifying from people on both for and against, but there was more that were for it than against it. Making the case, you know, how this law is impacting people's lives, how they can barely afford eggs of all things. Eggs are an important part of people's meals. Six grams of protein per egg. Restaurants are hurting. They're feeling the pinch. Stores with supplies. Houses were barely able to afford the dozen eggs. So it's just having a ripple effect now since the law fully implemented. at the beginning of this year. However, a lot of these people on the committee just continued to see that it was the bird flu and decided to kill my bill. It was eight to five.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, and that they're blaming on the increase in egg prices on the culling of flocks because of bird flu. And again, Ryan, this is something we've talked about on a a few chickens in a flock that get the bird flu and they kill the whole flock. And I guess this is from the federal level, but that makes no sense to kill healthy birds, which would increase more and more natural immunity. They just have killed the whole flock. So the two things certainly probably both come together, but to totally blame it on the bird flu and those bad decisions, I think is not being totally upfront.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, it's not. And again, it goes back to the whole issue of accountability. A lot of these elected officials don't acknowledge the stuff that they, however well intentioned it was, um, don't work. Right. And so they don't want to admit that they made a mistake. And I think there's that accountability where they just refuse to have that. And so they just downplay it. Right. And I think that's an issue. That's a problem. I was trying to highlight it from however well intentioned this law was meant to be. It had negative ramifications that we're seeing today. And if you look at other states, which is what I said this in committee, states who have cage free versus the ones who do not, the prices are much higher. and those that have cage-free policies, because the bird flu is everywhere, right? It's nationwide. And even the USDA said that while the bird flu has a contributing to the price increases, those states that have cage-free mandates were disproportionately impacted more. So their prices were higher compared to states who did not. But again, they just continue to see it as it was just the bird flu.
SPEAKER 17 :
Wow. And so that died in committee. But thank you for doing this. We need to be repealing bad laws. And so this is so great and so creative that you have done that. Representative Ryan Gonzalez, what else do you have happening down at the statehouse that you think people should be aware of?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, last night there was a hearing on Senate Bill 25003, which was the assault weapons ban. This is the third time that they're bringing this bill, um, to the legislature after two failed attempts. There was hearings last night that went until 11 o'clock. I believe, unfortunately it did pass committee three to two. So now it goes to the Senate where I believe that that bill has 18 co-sponsors. So it's very likely to get out of the Senate. I believe it's very also likely to get out of the house. So people need to be aware that they're infringing on the Second Amendment rights. As for me, I have a bill to repeal the Tencent bag fee. So that will be heard in committee in the coming weeks. It was assigned to Energy and Environment in the House. I am co-sponsoring it with Minority Leader Puglisi and Senator Byron Pelton. I also have a bill to review regulations, kind of sunset them, stripping these agencies from their rulemaking authority, and it gives it back to the legislature. It was assigned to the State Civic and Military Affairs Committee, also known as the Kill Committee, so we'll see how that goes. Regulations is huge, so this bill is kind of a step in the right direction to review, get rid of excessive regulation, redundant regulation, sunsetting these, and just trying to make it more affordable when it comes to business, energy, food, all that stuff.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and then also, Representative Gonzalez, you are really a protector of Tabor, Colorado's taxpayers' bill of rights as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, I am. Tabor is the hill I am willing to die on. It is my non-negotiable. A lot of these progressives hate it. In fact, in finance committee the other day, it was on Monday, we were talking about tax credit bills. And the majority on the committee said, attacked Tabor, saying that we had an outdated, antiquated system that is not fair, a 30-year-old tax system that has proven to fail, lacks of funding for that reason. So with the budget deficit, this is more ammunition that the progressives want to use to try to eliminate Tabor and blame Tabor. However, in committee, I spoke out and said, if you're just tired of having to ask taxpayers for more of their money, just say so. You know, they like to say, well, people only like Tabor because of the refund checks, and that's not entirely true. People like Tabor because it limits government spending, and it also gives the voters the chance to approve tax increases, which is the very reason why these progressives and the majority hate Tabor. And if people need to understand, these people need to understand something is that I would say over 60% of Coloradans approve of Tabor. That number could be much higher, but not everybody knows about TABOR. And mind you, this is a law we've had for 30 years. It's a right that the taxpayers have. And it's something that we have an opportunity to share with Colorado about how great TABOR is because it's the only one of its kind in the entire country. And that's something we have to highlight because it's all we have right now in Colorado that works in our favor.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, you're doing great work, Representative Ryan Gonzalez, representing Well County in District 50, and it sounds like you're probably headed down to the Statehouse. So thank you so much, and safe travels.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you so much. I just got to the Capitol, actually, so thank you.
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You know, I've always loved doing this for a living. Every day I wake up thanking God for my occupation. But I have never had so much fun coming into work as I am these days. One weekend to the Trump administration, Trump 2.0. I can't get to work fast enough. There was some traffic today driving into work. I thought, no, no, no, no, no, don't slow me down. Don't bring me down. I got to get into work. We got to take to the airwaves. There is so much happening with the ending of the weaponization of the government, with the detainment and deportation of people who broke the law to get here by virtue of being here. They are lawless. They have broken the law. And we should enforce the law with compassion, with dignity, but with strength and justice. Sorry you don't get a free pass just because the Democrats have wanted open borders. The days of open borders are gone. They are coming to an end rapidly. Thousands and thousands of people are being detained from New York to Washington State and in between. And not everybody's taking it too well. Like this actress, Selena Gomez. And I want to get your take on it. If you're on social media, it's all that anybody's talking about. This young woman has 422 million followers on Instagram. She is a billionaire with a B. Now, I don't know a lot about Selena Gomez. She was a Disney actress, like a child star with Disney, very successful actress, and then became very wealthy because of her beauty brand called Rare Beauty. So this young woman has more wealth than the gross national product of some countries. And she decided to point a camera to herself, thought it would be a good idea, to ugly cry and sob about the deportation of illegals that is currently going on in America. If you haven't seen it, if you haven't heard it, because it's become so newsworthy, because I've got some, I think, some unique takeaways, because I know people who know her, believe it or not. I spent some time in Dallas-Fort Worth. She's from the Dallas area. She was born in Grand Prairie, Texas. Contrary to her sobbing about her people, she's a Texan. And, of course, a Hispanic heritage. And she's clearly taking the Trump deportation of illegals very, very badly.
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I'll try everything I promise.
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Okay, she doesn't know what to do, so what she does is go to Instagram with her 422 million followers, point a cell phone at herself, and start ugly crying about how upset she is about the law being enforced. And that's literally what we're talking about. Our federal laws are finally being enforced, and she does not know what to do. Now, a couple of human—I think we ought to be humans in this moment. We knew this was going to happen. Remember, we talked about this months ago. If Trump wins and the deportations begin, all you're going to do is see weeping and gnashing of teeth about children being ripped apart from their families, and it's going to be terrible, and Abuela is going to have to go back to Guadalajara, and that's going to be awful for Abuela. We knew that was all coming, right? A couple things about Selena Gomez, and I want to turn it over to you at 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. Number one, I'm told that despite her wealth and her fame, she struggles with mental health issues. Now, I believe that's important. And I also think it has to do, that's an important aspect of this whole national conversation we're having. A lot of the people who are flipping out are not well educated. And I'm not trying to generalize here, but that's a fact. I'm on social media a lot. I've become an ex-disciple. Follow me at Gallagher Show. In fact, I think we're streaming again today live on X. So I see these clips posted all the time. These are not mentally well people. I'm not saying that to put them down. I'm not saying that to trivialize it. I'm not trying to attack them. I think we have to understand that many of these people who are having complete meltdown, freak out, emotional crises, they've got mental health challenges to begin with. And again, I don't say that to dismiss them. You look at that video from Selena Gomez. That's not a mentally well person. You can have all the compassion in the world that you want. Did she cry like that when Lakin Riley was killed? Did she cry like that when a family lost their three children because an illegal drunk driver wiped them out? Does she cry about anything that's happening to our communities and our cities from violent illegals? And no, I'm not saying all illegals are violent. But the violent ones and the criminals are the first ones being targeted. As Tom Holman has said, it's the bad ones, the worst, are going first. A week into Trump's second presidency, and no one's going to get a free pass anymore, but the bad ones, the worst ones, are the ones being targeted now. The gang members, the criminals, the people charged with horrible crimes. They're the ones that are going to go first. And if you're breaking down over that mentally, you're not well. Number two, let's remember the performative nature of what Selena Gomez did. Don't kid yourself. She pointed a camera at herself. She didn't have a camera crew waltz into her kitchen at a low moment. Oh, I'm crying because of it. She did that herself. She wanted you to see. She wanted her 422 million followers to see her ugly crying on camera because she's concerned about her people, as she put it, being deported. It's total performance art. And I know a lot of actors. One thing I know about actors... Their narcissism is off the charts. I think it has to be. I think it has to do with the nature of their profession. They get turned down a lot for jobs. So maybe it's a coping mechanism. But they are narcissists to the nth degree. But what a time to be alive, to watch that. And incidentally, she quickly deleted her video from Instagram when evidently her own followers... We're telling her, buck up, buckaroo. Knock it off. We ain't buying what you're selling. And so she took the video down. Our number is 800-655-MIKE. We're in the Relief Factor studios for a Tuesday, last Tuesday of the month. Great to have you along for the ride. 800-655-6453. Call or text. But get here. Join us on the Mike Gallagher Show. I want to welcome some brand new partners to the Mike Gallagher show like Equity Protect. And this is a big, big deal. Your home's title is often the most valuable thing you own. Next generation criminal technology is more advanced than ever. I've been an identity theft victim. It is no fun. You got to have Equity Protect in your corner. If you own your home mortgage free or you got a lot of equity, you got to have Equity Protect so that scammers do not steal your equity or title. For a limited time, Equity Protect is offering you a tremendous deal, 30% off your first year, giving you one year of protection for less than $12 a month. Just go to EquityProtect.com. Use the discount code Mike30. That's EquityProtect.com. Use the promo code Mike30. Once you have Equity Protect, you don't need to check. Trust the team at Equity Protect. Go to EquityProtect.com and use the promo code Mike30.
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He's the happy conservative warrior. From the Relief Factor Studios, here's Mike Deller.
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I was catching up with my friend Bill Frady, who's the terrific afternoon host on our station in the upstate of South Carolina, 98.9 WORD. Bill and I were just agreeing about how much fun it is to come to work these days. Remember how helpless we felt when Joe Biden... Undid practically everything that the first Trump administration accomplished. He got out his pen and did all the executive orders day one, undoing as much as he could. Remember how helpless we felt when Biden gave preemptive pardons to his family, to Fauci, to the select committee, Liz Cheney, Benny Thompson? Remember that helpless feeling we had? Well, now they have it. Now their side feels helpless because the Trump freight train is roaring through America. I've never seen anything like it in my life. We're the second week in. Thousands of illegals are dangerous illegals because they're targeting the worst first. The people who are being detained now in these ICE raids, and already there have been thousands of people who have been detained. These are criminals. And these are people charged with serious, serious crimes. These are gang members. These are rapists. These are bad people. Remember years ago, Trump famously said, they're not sending their best. Now, we've always stipulated there are a lot of good-hearted people who've come over to this country illegally with good intentions, not wanting to hurt anybody else. Of course, there are plenty of people in that category. Doesn't mean they haven't broken the law. You swim across the Rio Grande and sneak into the United States, you're guilty of federal crimes. It's against the law. But Democrats have tried to convince you that somehow it's not illegal. An illegal isn't an illegal. An illegal is really only undocumented. An illegal isn't an illegal. An illegal is a migrant. They sort of misplaced their paperwork. That's the game. That's the scam. That's the great lie. You want to talk about a big lie? That's a big lie, that somehow it's not illegal to commit the illegal act of sneaking across our border and into our country and, of course, taking our valuable resources, be it health care or education for their kids, birthright citizenship, gone. The days of... coming into the United States illegally, having a baby on American soil so that that child will receive free benefits, those days are gone. And it's a glorious thing to witness. Bill and I were talking about how much fun it is to come to work again. And it is. It's a blast. And we don't have that helpless feeling anymore. They do. And it's leading to some of them having complete emotional tantrums. Have you seen the Selena Gomez video? She's an interesting young woman. She's 32 years old. She's a billionaire. She started out as a Disney child star, successful actress, businesswoman. She has some kind of a beauty product line. And she took a camera and pointed it to herself. and essentially had a mental breakdown over the mass deportation that is taking place right now in the United States. Now, she's from the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Her mother's American. Her father, apparently, who abandoned, as I understand, the family when she was young, was Mexican. She, and I think this is important, And we all ought to be about some degree of compassion and humanity. She evidently struggles with mental health issues. I guess after you see this video, that can be confirmed.
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I just wanted to say that I'm so sorry.
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All my people are getting attacked. The children... I don't understand.
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I'm so sorry. I wish I could do something, but I can't. I don't know what to do.
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I'll try everything I promise.
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Well, there are some things you can do other than point a camera at yourself and ugly cry for your 422 million followers on Instagram. Why don't you take some of your hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars I mean, she's worth apparently over a billion with a B. Take $100 million and buy an island and give illegals a sanctuary island. You could get a heck of an island for $100 million. You'd get a lot done. Why don't you start? Why don't you step up? I understand she's got a palatial mansion in Los Angeles with a big gate, incidentally. That irony shouldn't be lost on anyone. Open up your gates and bring in maybe dozens of illegals to live in your home. And I'm not saying that to be a smart aleck. Do something other than point a camera at yourself and cry. And incidentally, remember the nature of this actress's It's total performance art. I'm not trying to mock her if she really is mentally ill. Maybe she's got a lot of problems. But when you put a camera on your face and then... sob and weep and moan and groan and cry, you want your 422 million followers to see that. A camera didn't walk in. Some guy with a camera didn't just waltz into her kitchen and say, oh, let me take a video of you in one of your lowest moments. No, she did that. She's an actress. She's a performer. And apparently got, again, mental health challenges. Tom Holman was asked about it. The border czar, he said, we haven't arrested any families. We're arresting public safety threats and national security for us. Bottom line, if they don't like it, then go to Congress and change the law. We're going to do this, he said, without apology. We're going to do this without apology. Do you think Selena Gomez wept over the crime victims? who suffered at the hands of the trendy Aragua gang members from Venezuela? You think she cried for Lake and Riley? Maybe she did. Maybe she cries a lot. There is a new sheriff in town. There is a new dawn that has risen. And we're going to go forward with this without apology to the Selena Gomez's of the world. Let me get your reaction to all of it as we kick off a Tuesday episode of the Mike Gallagher Show in the Relief Factor Studios. Great to have you with us. If you're new to the show, MikeOnline.com. It's a great clearinghouse, a great landing page for you to find everything out about the show, about our podcasts. about our socials, about our Salem News Channel broadcast every day, mikeonline.com, the official website of The Mike Gallagher Show. Here's our number, and one phone call does it all. Call or text us, 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. I hope you join us. There's no better time than right now to call my friends at PhD Weight Loss and Nutrition to start your journey to a healthier you. As I hear from you about how PhD Weight Loss and Nutrition has changed your life, I know that each one of us has had our own reasons for starting. I started my journey because I gained enough weight and was ready to make a change. I sat down with Dr. Ashley Lucas, and like they say, the rest was history. I lost 53 pounds, and I've kept it off. We all have different reasons for starting. Call 864-644-1900, 864-644-1900, or just go to MyPhDWeightLoss.com, MyPhDWeightLoss.com.
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I went through four years of hell by this scum that we had to deal with. I went through four years of hell. I spent millions of dollars in legal fees, and I won. But I did it the hard way. It's really hard to say that they shouldn't have to go through it all. So it is very hard to say that.
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In the ReliefFactor.com studios, here's Mike.
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Well, uh... President Trump has reacted to the announcement that Jim Acosta is leaving CNN with typical good cheer and grace. As only Trump can do. Here was his post. Wow, really good news. Jim Acosta, one of the worst and most dishonest reporters in journalistic history, a major sleazebag, has been relegated by CNN fake news to the midnight hour. Death Valley because of extraordinarily bad ratings and no talent. Word is that he wants to quit, and that would be even better. Well, of course, he has quit, so that came to fruition. President Trump concludes by saying Jim is a major loser who will fail no matter where he ends up. Good luck, Jim. I mean, come on. How do you not love this guy? How can you not love him? I mean, and plenty do not, but that's Donald Trump, as I saw just now on X. Incidentally, I also posted, we just reposted an article from Talkers Magazine, the Bible of the talk radio industry. They, too, have written a piece about Trump. my relationship with Food for the Poor. Food for the Poor is doing a podcast that you can find where they honored me for my years of supporting Food for the Poor and all of those. It was a great podcast called Beyond the Plate produced by Food for the Poor and our friend Paul Jacobs and the team. And so thanks to Talkers Magazine and Barrett. And we posted both of those articles if you want to read them at x.com. And we'll also post it, Tracy will post it, at mikeonline.com as well, so you can see those articles about our partnership with Food for the Poor. Let me tell you my quick Jim Acosta story, and we'll take some phone calls. During the first Trump administration, Sebastian Gorka and I were invited to the White House to meet with President Trump in the Oval Office. This is before Seb joined the White House, this time around, of course, and had to leave Salem. This is when Seb and I were Salem Media Group colleagues. And we were waiting in the White House press briefing room. That's, of course, where famously, you know, Kareem John Binders and folks like Caroline Leavitt hold court, right? And while we're standing there waiting to get into the Oval Office, along comes Jim Acosta. And he takes one look at Seb Gorka and says, this room is supposed to be for real journalists only, right? Well, Seb Gorka, being Seb Gorka, wasn't going to let that go. He starts bellowing, What did you say to me, Abilio? Abilio, come back here! Why are you afraid of your Hispanic heritage, Abilio? Why don't you use your real name? Well, now, Acosta turns three shades of white and just scampers out of there like a rat on a sinking ship. He couldn't get out of the press briefing room fast enough. And, of course, as it turns out, Abilio is indeed Jim Acosta's real first name. His name is Abilio James Acosta. I think Mark Davis and I talked about this this morning as well. But just a lot of laughs that day. And I can tell you today, as we sit on Tuesday, January 28, 2025, Sebastian Gorka is gainfully employed, serving his country proudly in the Trump White House in a counterterrorism capacity. one of the most important key positions in the country. And Abilio is out of work. Funny how the tide turns, eh? Connie's in Chicago talking about Brandon Johnson. I know he gave a press conference, Connie. I couldn't bear to put my audience through it. I just can't stand that guy. How bad is it?
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Pretty bad. You know what? He does not own the city. He's just paid to manage it, and he's not doing a good job with that either. And he does not represent the people of Chicago. We cannot stand him, and we can't wait to get him out. You know, I want to say one quick comment, that the day that President Trump was shot in Butler, Immediately, I prayed for him because I was so appalled by what happened. And God gave me a verse, which is absolute for what's going on right now. And the Lord said to me, with your own eyes, you will behold and see the reward of the wicked. And we're seeing that.
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That's Psalm 91, verse 10. Nice. Thank you for sharing that, Connie. Prayer works, and it's a time to lean into our faith. Look, we should be praying for everybody. Look, I think you pray for this young woman, this Selena Gomez. I mean, that made all kinds of headlines. Here she is with her little meltdown. She's got over 400 million followers on Instagram. She's a billionaire. Not only is she a successful actress, apparently, but she's also an entrepreneur. She has her own beauty line. I guess she's got beauty products. But she took a camera, pointed it at herself, and melted down this way.
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I just wanted to say that I'm so sorry.
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All my people are getting attacked. The children... I don't understand.
SPEAKER 1 :
I'm so sorry. I wish I could do something, but I can't. I don't know what to do.
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I'll try everything I promise.
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Yikes. And, you know, look, I don't want to pounce on this young woman who, I'm told, has had a history of mental health challenges. But that's an important part of this. A lot of the people you're seeing having such a difficult time with the Trump administration, a lot of them have mental health challenges. I'm convinced of that. You've got to be a little detached from reality to ignore what the majority of Americans expect from our government. And Look, that's always been a progressive value. The government should keep us safe. One would think they would appreciate improving the quality of life in our cities. But look, so much is changing. Even the cancel culture is ending. But they've tried to cancel Mike Lindell, portions of our show brought to you by MyPillow. And they are thrilled to announce the first ever mega sale on overstock clearance items and brand new products too. For example, you'll save over 50% on this season's flannel sheets. You're going to get them for only $59.98 for a queen size, $69.98 for a king. They're normally almost $200 a set. And the pillow that started it all, the best-selling standard MyPillow, just $14.98. Limit $10 because of that crazy low price. So go to MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher Special Square. Click on that box, and then when you place your order, enter the promo code MikeG. Treat yourself to the best night's sleep of your life, the softest sheets, the most comfortable pillow that conforms to your neck and your head. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. The one and only MyPillow.
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Here's today's Eminem experience.
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And here's another rarity. Complete Unknown, his biopic about Bob Dylan. I really want to see it. The Oscar nominations came out, and I hardly know anything. I'm usually pretty movie literate. This year, I don't know why. I just haven't been, but I really want to see Complete Unknown. And Chalamet was just wonderful.
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Well, evidently, the one movie that's getting all the buzz is because it's so awful. Emilio, I think, Lopez.
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Emilio, no, Perez.
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Emilio, Shyamala, Shyamala, Perez.
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I don't know. I don't know if it's terrible.
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Well, the scenes I've seen posted look goofy.
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I mean, it's weird. But here's the stigma, and here's why no one will be able to be objective about it. Amelia Perez is the story of a Mexican cartel leader who enlists the aid of an attorney because he wants to transition to a woman. So just here we go again. And as I've already said on this show, and I'll say 50 times, God bless people. I pray for mental health for these folks. But this is propaganda on steroids. It's designed to make everybody just feel great. Well, let's talk about giving in to gender dysphoria.
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Yeah, let's talk about the mental health aspect of this because I think it's very important, especially in light of the Selena Gomez video because everybody's talking about it. And there's a couple takeaways that I think are very, very important about this young woman's video. First of all... and I think this is important and maybe a little bit of compassion can, is in order here. I don't disagree with anything you've said about her, but let me, let me share with you what, what I know. Well, she's apparently, apparently she's had a long struggle with mental health. She has a lot of mental health challenges. Now I'm, I have no idea. I barely know who she is. I'm stunned that somebody, a young actress who's 30 something is worth over a billion dollars i don't know that's successful you'll get a billion dollars well well but not acting and so how does that happen apparently she has a very successful like beauty product line and that's what made her a billionaire so so good on her i mean in terms of being successful uh but but a couple of things about because you know the mental health aspect of this is important The people who are truly mentally unwell have become unhinged in the Trump presidency. And she is apparently, again, somebody who has challenged with bipolar, mood disorder, eating disorders, lots of mental health problems. So you take a woman, a young woman with mental health problems, and then you give her a platform with millions and millions of followers. Oh, yeah. And she posts a video of herself that is, like you said, moronic and bizarre and insane. Now, here's the thing, the second part of this that I think is very, very important. I know a lot of actors. I really do. I know a lot of people. And I know some very successful actors. Stage, screen, TV. This is a fact. The more successful they are, and I'm not saying this to attack them. I'm telling you this as a statement of fact. The more successful they are, Mark, the more narcissistic they are. It's an absolute cardinal rule. And some of them are wonderful people. Mm-hmm. I think it has to do with all the rejection they get in their lives because for 10 roles that they're up for, they lose out on nine of them or worse. And so I think that's a coping mechanism that the world now must revolve around them. And they are as narcissistic a person as anything I've ever seen in my life. In fact, I've kidded around with some of them because I'm like, do you realize what a narcissist you are? Well, yeah, I'm an actor. I get it. Okay, so let's keep that in mind too. And finally, and this goes hand in hand with my final observation of her video. Remember something. She didn't have a camera crew pop up into her living room when she was in a low moment about the poor children being dragged from their families. She did that herself. In other words, she took a camera, pointed it at herself, and then goes into the ugly cry, sobbing hysteria about, I don't know what to do about this. The law being enforced suddenly after the years of lawlessness we've seen of illegal immigration. But understand, it's back to the narcissism and the performative nature of what she did. She wanted you to see her. You mentioned that earlier in your monologue.
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I'm a better person than you because I am leveled by evil Trump.
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That's right. And she did it. She did it intentionally. It was not like... It reminds me of reality shows. You know, and I... Denise and I used to love the Ozzy Osbourne reality show.
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We thought that was the coolest thing. Just the best.
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It was one of the first ones of that genre, right? It was like the pioneer of that. You forget... There are camera crews and lighting people and best boys and grips and crews in those houses. They're not in that house alone having an argument. They're performing. Anybody who thinks any of the Real Housewives storylines are legitimate and authentic are fools. Every one of those things is all performative. They do it for the show. So and that was what Selena Gomez was all about. So I feel I really do feel I mean, I'm not shedding any tears.
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Here's what you have shed valuable light on something that everybody should consider. And multiple things can be true at the same time. Is this an idiotic burst of possibly contrived emotion from Selena Gomez? Yes. Does she deserve our empathy for any kind of mental health struggle, any kind of vulnerability she may have? Absolutely. You bet. Here's the missing element here, though. She would not be shedding any of those tears if she put the functioning brain in her head to work a little harder. to realize that it is not evil to obey immigration law. If she were conservative, she would not be crying, which is not a mandate that everybody be conservative, but if you weren't so totally wrong and duped and brainwashed by the left, you would not be so leveled by enforcing immigration law.
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I can promise you she hasn't shed one tear for people like Lincoln Riley. That's who I cry for, the victims of soft borders. She hasn't shed any tears for communities that have been ravaged by hordes of migrants who have upended communities. She hasn't cried for drunk driving victims of illegals. She hasn't cried for any of those people. She wants to cry for, and incidentally, her people. Newsflash, she was born in Texas. You know, I mean, she ain't exactly from Guadalajara. You know, so I always loved that. And my people, oh, these are my people. Oh, yeah, what, Texans? Oh, give me a break.
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Ethnically, you know.
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Oh, give me a break. She's a princess from Texas who fell in love. into this great career, and now she's a billionaire, and she can... Look, I'm not kidding you. Take all that money, invest it in shelters, start housing a lot of them. Put them in your home. You got a big... And she's got a big, beautiful home with a gate, a massive gate. Now, there's some irony there, Mark.
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Mike Gallagher. Every day, Mike visits with Mark Davis. Morning host on 660 AM, The Answer in Dallas. Here's today's Eminem experience.
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And here's another rarity. Complete Unknown, his biopic about Bob Dylan. I really want to see it. The Oscar nominations came out and I hardly know anything. I just, I'm usually pretty movie literate this year. I don't know why. I just haven't been, but I really want to see Complete Unknown. And I really, and Chalamet was just wonderful.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, evidently, the one movie that's getting all the buzz is because it's so awful. Emilia, I think, Lopez.
SPEAKER 03 :
Emilia, no, Perez.
SPEAKER 13 :
Emilia, Shyamala, Shyamala, Perez. I don't know.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't know if it's terrible.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, the scenes I've seen posted look goofy.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, it's weird. But here's the stigma, and here's why no one will be able to be objective about it. Amelia Perez is the story of a Mexican cartel leader who enlists the aid of an attorney because he wants to transition to a woman. So just here we go again. And as I've already said on this show, and I'll say 50 times, God bless people. I pray for mental health for these folks. But this is propaganda on steroids. It's designed to make everybody just feel great. Well, let's talk about giving in to gender dysphoria.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, let's talk about the mental health aspect of this because I think it's very important, especially in light of the Selena Gomez video because everybody's talking about it. And there's a couple takeaways that I think are very, very important about this young woman's video. First of all... and I think this is important, and maybe a little bit of compassion is in order here. I don't disagree with anything you've said about her, but let me share with you what I know. Well, apparently she's had a long struggle with mental health. She has a lot of mental health challenges. Now, I have no idea. I barely know who she is. I'm stunned that somebody, a young actress who's 30-something, is worth over a billion dollars. I don't know. Been that successful? You'll get a billion dollars, won't you? Well, but not acting. And so how does that happen? Well, apparently she has a very successful, like, beauty product line. And that's what made her a billionaire. So good on her, I mean, in terms of being successful. But a couple of things about, because, you know, the mental health aspect of this is important. The people who are truly mentally unwell have become unhinged in the Trump presidency. And she is apparently, again, somebody who has challenged with bipolar, mood disorder, eating disorders, lots of mental health problems. So you take a woman, a young woman with mental health problems, and then you give her a platform with millions and millions of followers. Oh, yeah. And she posts a video of herself that is, like you said, moronic and bizarre and insane. Now, here's the thing, the second part of this that I think is very, very important. I know a lot of actors. I really do. I know a lot of people. And I know some very successful actors. Stage, screen, TV. This is a fact. The more successful they are, and I'm not saying this to attack them. I'm telling you this as a statement of fact. The more successful they are, Mark, the more narcissistic they are. It's an absolute cardinal rule. And some of them are wonderful people. I think it has to do with all the rejection they get in their lives because for 10 roles that they're up for, they lose out on nine of them. you know, or worse. And so I think it's a coping mechanism that the world now must revolve around them. And they are as narcissistic a person as anything I've ever seen in my life. In fact, I've kidded around with some of them because I'm like, do you realize what a narcissist you are? Well, yeah, I'm an actor. I get it. Okay, so let's keep that in mind too. And finally, and this goes hand in hand with my final observation of her video, Remember something. She didn't have a camera crew pop up into her living room when she was in a low moment about the poor children being dragged from their families. She did that herself. In other words, she took a camera, pointed it at herself. And then goes into the ugly cry, sobbing hysteria about I don't know what to do about the law being enforced suddenly after the years of lawlessness we've seen of illegal immigration. But understand, it's back to the narcissism and the performative nature of what she did. She wanted you to see her. You mentioned that earlier in your monologue.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look at me. I'm a better person than you because I am leveled by evil Trump retina.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right. And she did it. She did it intentionally. It was not like... It reminds me of reality shows. You know, and I... Denise and I used to love the Ozzy Osbourne reality show.
SPEAKER 05 :
We thought that was the coolest thing. Just the best.
SPEAKER 13 :
It was one of the first ones of that genre, right? It was like the pioneer of that. You forget... There are camera crews and lighting people and best boys and grips and crews in those houses. They're not in that house alone having an argument. They're performing. Anybody who thinks any of the Real Housewives storylines are legitimate and authentic are fools.
SPEAKER 04 :
every one of those things is all performative they do it for the show so and that was what selena gomez was all about so i feel i really do feel i mean i'm not shedding any tears here's what you have shed valuable light on something that everybody should consider and multiple things can be true at the same time is this an idiotic burst of possibly contrived emotion from selena gomez yes Does she deserve our empathy for any kind of mental health struggle, any kind of vulnerability she may have? Absolutely. You bet. Here's the missing element here, though. She would not be shedding any of those tears if she put the functioning brain in her head to work a little harder to realize that it is not evil to abuse. obey immigration law. If she were conservative, she would not be crying, which is not a mandate that everybody be conservative, but if you weren't so totally wrong and duped and brainwashed by the left, you would not be so leveled by enforcing
SPEAKER 13 :
I can promise you she hasn't shed one tear for people like Lake and Riley. I can promise you she hasn't shed any tears for communities that have been ravaged by hordes of migrants who have upended communities. She hasn't cried for drunk driving victims of illegals. She hasn't cried for any of those people. She wants to cry for, and incidentally, her people. Newsflash, she was born in Texas. You know, I mean, she ain't exactly from Guadalajara, you know, so I always loved that. And my people, oh, these are my people. Oh, yeah, what, Texans? I'll give me a break.
SPEAKER 14 :
Ethnically, I mean, you know.
SPEAKER 13 :
I'll give me a break. She's a princess from Texas who fell. fell into this great career, and now she's a billionaire, and she can... Look, I'm not kidding you. Take all that money, invest it in shelters. Start housing a lot of them. Put them in your home. You got a big... And she's got a big, beautiful home with a gate, a massive gate. Now, there's some irony there, Mark.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wait a minute. Are you saying that she seeks to control who comes into her home?
SPEAKER 13 :
Mike, is this what you're saying to me? Color me shocked. Color me shocked. I mean, here's what Benny Johnson wrote about her. She's American. Her mom is American. Her Mexican father abandoned them. She went from living in a small Texas home to a palace in L.A. She's a billionaire because of America. Now, this is the other part of this that I always think is so intriguing. The Selena Gomez's of the world who are now... essentially condemning this country for enforcing laws, this country made her rich and famous. I always love the lack of gratitude that they have for not appreciating without this country, maybe she's working at a Target. Maybe she's in community theater in Peoria, Illinois. Instead, she's this billionaire because we made her rich and famous. This country gave that to her, and they never, ever managed to remember that.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would think you'd be a huge consumer of at least one part of her work because the big thing that's made her more famous in the last couple of years than anything is her hanging out with Steve Martin and Marty Short in only— Which I've not seen an episode of. Only Murders in the Building. I kind of missed it. I missed that one. And I love them. I just haven't been there.
SPEAKER 13 :
I watched it one night and I couldn't really get into it. It's kind of schmaltzy and funny. But anyway, maybe I'll get around to it. Anyway, and look, let's get down to business here. How about Google is now going to rename the Gulf of Mexico, Gulf of America. Google, on the Google Maps. Oh, my. Yep, they are. Winning. The Geographic Names Information System, GNIS, is going to be officially updated. And when that happens, they're going to update Google Maps. That's tremendous. It's Gulf of America. And then finally, conversation starter, as you love to say, how about Jim Acosta out at CNN? Is he out or just midnight? Oliver Darcy of Status News. Oliver is a former CNN reporter, and he's got his own deal now. He's got a scoop, and he's reporting that Acosta is telling his associates he will leave the network. And the whole narrative is that... You know, he was on it like 10 a.m. and allegedly good ratings. But this new guy, and I had lunch with somebody yesterday who knows the CEO, the new CEO of CNN, a guy by the name of Mark Thompson. Mark Thompson's whole push is let's pretend to be fair. Let's give both sides. And the activists like Jim Acosta, and he is an activist. man he is he and you know my famous jim acosta seb gorka story do you have i ever told you that story where he was was jim were they yelling at each other at the white house Yeah, Seb and I got invited to the Oval Office in the first Trump term, and we were staged in the White House press briefing room waiting to go into the Oval Office for a meeting with President Trump. Acosta comes slinking by, looks up at Gorka, because everybody looks up at Gorka. He looks up at Seb and says, this room is supposed to be for real journalists. Oh, fantastic. And then walks away. Well, Gorka being Gorka starts bellowing, what did you say to me, Abilio? Come back here, Abilio.
SPEAKER 04 :
The real name.
SPEAKER 13 :
Abilio. Abilio. What, are you ashamed of your Hispanic heritage? Now, the color drained on Acosta's face. He couldn't get out of that room fast enough. And it turns out Jim Acosta's real first name is Abilio. Abilio James Acosta. Yep. That's correct. Well, Gorka knew that. Of course, Acosta evidently doesn't want people to know that, and that's why he goes by Jim, which is his middle name, James. Anyway, here's what I know today. As of today, Seb Gorka is gainfully employed, proudly serving his country in the White House in counterterrorism, and Abilio is apparently going to be out of work.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, they shunted him over to Midnight. Midnight to 2 a.m. Midnight on CNN. We may have more people listening to and watching us right now than midnight on CNN. I promise you.
SPEAKER 13 :
And you know how they tried to sell it to him?
SPEAKER 04 :
Have you heard this?
SPEAKER 13 :
This is an Oliver Darcy's reporting. Well, you'll be at 9 p.m. on the West Coast. I think he got insulted. I mean, even Abilio has some common sense. He knows what he's being played.
SPEAKER 04 :
His exit is a strong rumor. We'll see what happens. Last thing for rumors. And look, this was always stupid. Barack Obama and Jennifer Aniston are not dating, never were. Michelle's absence made a lot of people trolling for clickbait. What's going on with Michelle? I don't know, but it's not that.
SPEAKER 01 :
Or something is, Mark.
SPEAKER 04 :
And maybe there is trouble in paradise in some form. I don't know. Or maybe she's ill. But the notion of them dating was just stupid.
SPEAKER 13 :
But maybe, Michelle, I wonder what's going on with Michelle Obama. She didn't go to the Jimmy Carter funeral. She didn't go to the inauguration. She's been not seen in public. Obama has. Barack is out going to dinner by himself. Something's going on. And look, regardless of what I think of them politically, I hope she's okay. I do, too. Because, you know, that could be something going on there with her.
SPEAKER 04 :
But again, I don't... Listen, of course I don't want anything bad to be going on with her health-wise, but how about if she is just a shallow, persnickety woman who would not show up for the Trump inauguration because she hates him and wouldn't show up even for the Carter funeral because she'd have to sit by him? Isn't that Occam's razor the simplest explanation, that she's just petty?
SPEAKER 13 :
Maybe. Well, she could. Look, you know what I remember of her? She only became proud of her country when her husband ran for president. Go with that. I'll never forget that one. There you go. Yeah, you go say that. For the first time in your life, you're proud of America only because your husband ran for president. Unbelievable. But you know what? It's a new day. It is. You said something about an extra spring in your step. Isn't it fun to come to work now every day?
SPEAKER 04 :
Every day. It always has been a joy and a blessing. But there's something about these days, man. There's something about these days.
SPEAKER 13 :
You go with that. It hasn't always been a joy or blessing for me in the past, not the last four years, but, boy, I'm loving work now. I am loving it.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, have a great one. We will. Download the podcast and hear all of Mike and Mark's conversations at MikeOnline.com for the M&M experience.
In this episode of Rush to Reason, join John Rush and his guests as they delve into the complex world of global population dynamics. They tackle the persistent myths surrounding overpopulation, discussing its historical roots and modern interpretations, and offer insights into the economic and social implications of these theories. Our guest, Aidan Grogan, provides a scholarly perspective on why the narrative of an overcrowded world might be misleading, bringing new data and research to light. Additionally, the episode covers the intriguing debate on the role of governments and private entities in managing population growth. Through historical anecdotes and current geopolitical analysis, listeners are invited to question and critically assess the motivations behind population control agendas. From ancient philosophies to today's environmental concerns, this episode is a compelling exploration of humanity's relationship with population and resources. As the conversation shifts to more local matters, the episode concludes with a focused discussion on the political climate of Colorado. Highlighted is an analysis of recent power moves within the GOP, offering listeners a glimpse into the inner workings and struggles within the party. The discussion provides food for thought on how leadership and policy decisions can have far-reaching effects both globally and locally.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Aidan Grogan joining us now, writer, history PhD at Liberty University and a Young Voices contributor. Aidan, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 14 :
Doing great. Glad to be here.
SPEAKER 16 :
Always a joy having you. All right. This is something, by the way, that we've talked about on this program many times, especially during COVID. Frankly, I've been talking about it even long before COVID, and that is this belief, and I believe in this, that there is a depopulation agenda out there, and it's not just governments. There are a lot of private citizens and philanthropy organizations and so on that believe in that as well. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 14 :
You are absolutely correct.
SPEAKER 16 :
So this is a topic that you have just written about recently. Give us your thoughts and your findings on this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I wrote a piece for the Daily Wire advocating for the Trump administration to cut funding to the United Nations Population Fund, which was founded in 1969 and was really part of this post-war global effort to limit population growth based on these Neo-Malthusian ideas that the world is overpopulated and population growth will eventually outpace food production and lead to widespread ecological catastrophes, famines, wars, etc.? ?
SPEAKER 16 :
And the reality is, and I remember reading some of those back in the day, Aidan, because I'm old, and I remember just reading those thinking, okay, wait a minute, time out. I live in Colorado. I'm a native. And those folks that are around here know exactly what I'm going to say next, and that is as you leave Denver, Aidan, and you head, by the way, any direction, north, east, south, west, Literally, Aiden, it is literally mile after mile after mile after mile, hundreds of miles of literally nothing, open, farmland, things along those lines. And as a young person, because when some of these things came out, that's about where I was at age-wise, I'm thinking to myself, Aiden, hang on, time out. These guys think the earth is going to be overpopulated, and yet I can drive literally for a day straight until I hit Kansas City.
SPEAKER 14 :
Certainly, yes. The Earth can handle far more humans than we presently have. And, you know, in the past, few decades, resource supply has only increased with greater human population. And the reason for that is when you have more people, there's more productivity, more innovation, more brain power, thus producing more abundance. And the prices of commodities actually go down. The population control establishment thought the opposite would happen. They thought that due to resource scarcity from overpopulation, the prices of commodities would skyrocket. That was really the claim of the biologists who don't understand economics, whereas economists like Julian Simon said that, no, this is going to pan out just fine in the long run. We'll be able to adapt and overcome any population problems we might face. and ultimately will benefit everyone through increased abundance because the ultimate resource in the end is people.
SPEAKER 07 :
Aidan, I got two quick points. First of all, I have to disagree with you that more population brings more innovation and intellect. California. Okay, so just so you know. So Andy disagrees. Just so you know, there's a little roadblock there to your thinking. And number two, I got a big question here. When they get together and have these depopulation consortiums and they talk about lowering the population of the earth, how many of them volunteer to go first?
SPEAKER 14 :
Two points. First, I want to address your first point. Okay. To produce the resource abundance, which thankfully has been produced in recent decades, requires economic and personal freedom. California does not do very well in that regard. You got me. Oh, you got me. They do not.
SPEAKER 16 :
You are correct, Aiden.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. As for the population control establishment, they tend to think of themselves as above the rest.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, I see. So they should be the ones who are left on the lifeboat.
SPEAKER 16 :
They're the controllers.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because, I mean, if the lifeboat is overloaded and we're all sinking, shouldn't they jump off first? I mean, to help humanity. No, they're in charge of the rudder.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right, Aiden? I mean, I'm saying that laughingly, but honestly, I'm not too wrong. They're in charge of the rudder. They're going to steer the thing, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
That's what they believe. I think that this is ultimately metaphysical in many ways. They sort of view themselves as these supreme adjudicators. They view themselves as appointed by... whatever, to make these decisions. And this whole idea that there has to be this appointed priest class managing human population dates all the way back to ancient Mesopotamia. In the Atreus' epic, the gods are concerned about humans reproducing too quickly, and all the noise that humans make keeps the god Enlil awake at night, and so he decides to destroy humanity except for one noble person, similar to the story of Noah's Ark. But then after this great flood, he appoints this priest class to limit population growth. Plato and Aristotle also wrote about the need to control population. So this idea is very ancient. It's been with us for millennia. And the brilliance of human minds, of innovation, of creativity has consistently proved it wrong.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. Really quick, I read a book years ago, Aidan, and when this was all going on, I can't remember even the name of the book now and the lady that wrote it, but I just remember reading different parts of that book, and one of the things that she said was, hey, all of this nonsense, literally, about overpopulation and so on and so forth, as we as a nation get wealthier and we spread that wealth worldwide... Population will automatically start to go down because as nations get richer, they stop having as many kids and they automatically depopulize on their own. So this whole idea of we need to depopulize is actually opposite. As countries get more wealthy, you need to figure out how to keep the birth rate up. Otherwise, they'll die.
SPEAKER 14 :
That is certainly true. In the least developed countries, people aren't really thinking long-term. They're thinking about how are they going to get food on the plate to feed their families. So they're not really making reproductive decisions about what's coming down the road 10 or 20 years from now. So as countries do... become more prosperous through free markets, they tend to make decisions about the long run because they're not just concerned about what's going to happen today or if they can even survive another week.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right. And so, and by the way, everything that that particular lady wrote, has pretty much come true because there's even stats out now, Aiden, as you know, that just naturally, if we keep on the path that we're on worldwide, you're going to see the population of the world peak and then start to, at that point, continue to go downhill, not uphill.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, and it's not just going to be a gradual decline. No. It is going to be a precipitous decline.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because if every woman in one generation says, we're just going to have one kid, and then every woman in that next generation says, we're also going to have one kid, well, then you only have 25% as many grandchildren as grandparents. So that's how quickly population can decrease. So while the human population will continue to go up for another couple decades, It's then going to plateau and by the middle of this century, maybe 2050, 60, we're going to see populations start to go down very rapidly. So young people especially need to take that into account when they plan for their future. how they save their money, because the world is going to look a lot different in five or six decades when there's a significantly larger retirement age population than working age population. That's right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Aidan, you kind of get to a point I was thinking. It's really funny because a lot of the same people who want to depopulate are also – very much against ever raising the age of retirement for Social Security, Medicare, and so forth. Do they ever look at things called numbers?
SPEAKER 14 :
Apparently not, because the hard economic data shows that their theory about overpopulation is wrong. I would point people toward the great work of... Cato Institute's Marion Toopy, who has shown from 1980 to 2017, the resource abundance has increased by 380%. And for every 1% increase in population, there's been about a 1% reduction in the prices of commodities. So the population controllers are often biologists or environmentalists. So they don't work as much with numbers as economists do. Economists tend to understand human nature and our capacity to adapt and overcome problems much better than than biologists.
SPEAKER 07 :
Aidan, do you think and I know I'm getting a little current here, but do you think some of these people also factored in in, say, California? And I'm not saying so much that they wanted fires to come through and burn people. I'm not saying that. But what I mean is they didn't care about lowering the amount of water that was held and kept for people to use. Instead, they only cared about fish and other things. It just seems to me they don't have people very high on their priority list.
SPEAKER 14 :
And it really came back to hurt them. Go ahead. Yes. Well, the heart of this Malthusian agenda is quite anti-human. It denies that people have intrinsic dignity. It views certain people as a burden on others or as a burden on Mother Earth. So it doesn't really place the dignity and well-being of human beings at the top of the value hierarchy.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right. You're 100% correct. Aidan, how do folks find you and your work?
SPEAKER 14 :
You can follow me on X at Aidan Grogan. That's A-I-D-A-N-G-R-O-G-A-N. Also, you can visit AIER.org. That's the American Institute for Economic Research. And I have several articles published there, and I will be publishing more in the near future.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay. The vote that's coming up Thursday, I don't know what time of the day, when it comes to the bylaw changes that Dave Williams has put out there. And we were talking off air about, you know, how will that vote go? What will be the outcome? What does it mean? And so on. And here's my take on things. If, by God's grace... that gets defeated and those changes don't get made, there is hope for the Colorado GOP in Colorado, even going into the gubernatorial race in 2026 and a Senate race, by the way. I always want to say Governor Hickenlooper, but Senator Hickenlooper.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
There is a slight glimmer of hope if, in fact, we can defeat that moving forward, because most likely that means we could end up with some different leadership and be more prepared for those particular races and so on. If, on the other hand... Those bylaws changes do go into effect. We're done. Yeah. I'm sorry to say, folks, all hope is lost.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
I have no idea how in this state moving forward, outside of there being some sort of movement independently of the GOP, Colorado leadership, I don't know how that would even work. I don't know if legally that's even possible. I have no idea how you would run anything outside of them to bypass them to try and still get some things done in Colorado because they will literally hold the purse and the cards on everything that happens moving forward, and good luck.
SPEAKER 07 :
They will have consolidated so much power.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, we have to keep in mind, John, what if their endorsements in the last election had gone through? What if their endorsements had not been shut down?
SPEAKER 16 :
Trump would not have the ability today to even do things, legislatively speaking, moving forward that he has right now to do.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, and we would have lost several other elections as well throughout the state. Look, John, I got nothing. If these people remain in control—
SPEAKER 16 :
We're done.
SPEAKER 07 :
We're done. People don't understand. Also, they say, well, we turned around our fundraising. Folks, their top two sources of funds that came were, number one, they squeezed presidential candidates for $40,000 each. Okay. And then, by the way, endorsed against them and refused to give back their money, which is wow. But also the House Fund gave them a bunch of money. Had you not been in a presidential— That's Kevin McCarthy who gave them a bunch of money.
SPEAKER 16 :
Had you not been in a presidential election cycle, the day you happened to be in charge of, you wouldn't have seen any upticks whatsoever. The only reason there were any upticks is because of the fact it was a presidential cycle into what Andy said a moment ago as well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and also, if it had not been a massive nationwide red wave, we would have gotten slaughtered. Because, as I've said many times, Trump increased his margin nationally by 6.2%, only 2.5% in Colorado, one of the worst in the country. Which means, I mean, we lost almost 60% of the red wave. What if we hadn't had the red wave? I mean... John, I don't even understand. I don't understand. They're not going to be able to bring anywhere near the money over the next two years, regardless of who's in charge. They frittered it away. They launched a bunch of lawsuits when people wanted to hold a vote. On whether or not to keep Dave and his people in power. You know, and this is what really blows my mind. All they had to do, because they say, well, you know, we want people, they want to sue people like Eli Bremer to try to get that money back. And it's just like, guys, you didn't have to launch all these lawsuits.
SPEAKER 16 :
You didn't have to do anything.
SPEAKER 07 :
To save his butt. No, you didn't. All you had to do was hold the meeting. Say, fine, okay, guys, if you don't think that there's enough support for it, if you don't think there's, you know, a quorum, fine. Hold the vote. Dave will win easily and then move on.
SPEAKER 16 :
And those of you that maybe haven't looked and you should because it's really not that hard to do, go look at the Colorado GOP's FEC report, federal election, you know, report. You have looked over this all the time.
SPEAKER 07 :
Way in detail.
SPEAKER 16 :
Continue to look at it. Go look at that, though, and look at where some of their expenditures are. For example, there's one recent expenditure, which I haven't seen anybody write about. And this one I'm just really wondering about because I don't know this particular attorney. Seems like a one-man band. It's Melito. I think I'm saying that right. Melito Law. They've written checks so far. to him of $12,000 and $16,000, meaning he has collected about $28,000. And what he does is, this is his tagline on his website, when experience matters, civil and criminal racketeering attorney. Now, why would the Colorado GOP need a civil and criminal racketeering attorney that they've actually paid some sort of a retainer to? Why would they need that, Andy?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Any thoughts?
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, virtually all... Would you agree with this? Virtually all the legal money that they have spent has all gone toward one purpose. To save Dave Williams' job. Right. Okay? They are spending an enormous amount of money on legal fees just to keep Dave in his job. Now, they were able to do it finally because a Democrat judge who wanted Dave kept in his job... Yeah, and by the way, they've been putting it all over the place that the judge ruled that the people who led the coup were against the law, were illegal, that they held an illegal meeting. That's not what the judge ruled at all. The judge ruled, hey, you need this percentage of all the members of the SEC, not just the quorum that you had at your meeting.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. He didn't say it was an illegal meeting. No! He just said you didn't have enough.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. So they're lying flat out. But, John, they've spent all this money on lawyers and lawsuits for one purpose, to save Dave Williams' ass.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and to further this Melito law along, and I don't know this person. I have nothing against this person, by the way. I don't even know the person, so I can't say one thing. good or bad about this particular attorney. But again, some of his taglines or boxes you can click, I guess I should say, to find out what he will do for you is complex white collar and organized crime. That's one thing he'll represent you for, Andy. Criminal defense, which again, Kevin Flesch does, so nothing against criminal defense lawyers. Business clientele and complex civil litigation. So I'm wondering, which one of those three do we as a party in Colorado need? None. Thank you. So why have we paid this guy $28,000 as a party then?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Well, obviously he's connected. He's probably a donor. Okay. Probably some of the money goes right back to Dave.
SPEAKER 16 :
I didn't go through all of that to determine that. I'm just looking at this saying, okay, wait a minute. From the outside looking in. Why would you need to pay this individual, whether it's a retainer? I don't know what it is. There's no notes. That's the other problem I have right now with the way the accounting is done at the Colorado GOP is it's very vague in what you're paying for at times. Our state party right now needs a complete audit. on what's going on, so we can backtrack some of these things and find out exactly what have we paid for.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, the only lawsuits that I know of that they have tried to push out of the state party are lawsuits to save Dave's job and to go after open primaries. Really, that's it. I can't remember any other lawsuits they did. Can you?
SPEAKER 16 :
No. And once again, I look at the type of attorneys that they're hiring. This one in particular, I really don't have any idea why you would need somebody that specializes in organized crime or white-collar crime defending you. Why do you need this particular type of an attorney on your side?
SPEAKER 07 :
They probably know them. It's probably connected. Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Still, again, and this is my other issue, Andy, though, is we know a lot of people that are connected in the party. And, you know, we hear of different names and so on and so forth. I've never heard this particular attorney's name ever in any circle in anything I've ever done. Nor have I. So I'm thinking, no, this is an actual hire of an attorney that is going to have to represent something or defend something going on inside of the Colorado GOP right now. This is not a friend of a friend or anything along those lines. They have purposely gone out and found this person to put them on retainer to protect them at some point in time for something they've done. That's how I see this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Could be. I don't know. I really don't. All I know is they're spending an awful. Look. KBB didn't spend all this money on legal fees.
SPEAKER 16 :
This is crazy. A lot of you that are supporters, how many of our candidates in a lot of the smaller races around the state could have even just taken a fraction of that $28,000 and helped them in their particular race and possibly have won?
SPEAKER 07 :
One of the biggest complaints that a lot of candidates have is they didn't help us.
SPEAKER 16 :
$28,000. They didn't help us at all. To a criminal defense attorney that specializes in white-collar crime and mafia-driven things. Sorry, I don't know how else to say it. Okay. $28,000, and that's just what I looked at. We may have written more checks, because remember, this report's always about a month behind, so I don't know what we've written in January. Could be another $12,000 or $15,000.
SPEAKER 07 :
You're talking $28,000 over what period of time?
SPEAKER 16 :
Two months.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, gosh. How much has it been over the two years Dave has been in place?
SPEAKER 16 :
As far as all legal stuff goes? Yeah. Over $100,000?
SPEAKER 07 :
Over $100,000 that they have spent on legal fees largely to keep him in his job. And it's like all he had to do was just say, hey. Hold the vote.
SPEAKER 16 :
And this last one, again, these particular checks that were written to Melito Law, I believe, I didn't put this in my notes. I'm going back on my recollection. But I believe this was October, November disbursements because I don't think December is done yet, Andy. I don't think it's quite that up to date. So you could have had another check even in December to this particular law firm.
SPEAKER 07 :
This is amazing, John. This is amazing seeing this much money spent on legal fees. Then they blame all their critics. Well, it's because all our critics are coming in. We're having to defend ourselves. It's like, why?
SPEAKER 16 :
Why are you having to defend yourself? This is for all of you supporters of Dave out there. If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you defending?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. What are you defending? Look, if you want to say, because they keep saying that their critics don't have a quorum, they don't have a majority, they don't have the numbers, and maybe they're right, right? But if that's true, why not just hold the vote? This all goes back to June. You could have just held the vote then. and not spent any of this money, that money, John, could have gone to candidates. Could have just held the vote. If you guys are so sure you would have won it, and by the way, maybe they would have. I don't know. It's really close. The SEC, I think, kind of tilts their way a little bit. Maybe they would have won, whatever.
SPEAKER 16 :
Depends on who shows up that day.
SPEAKER 07 :
But I'm telling you what, if I were the chair of the Colorado Republican Party, And a group of people, a large group of people, you know, large enough, came and said, we want to hold a vote on whether or not to retain you.
SPEAKER 16 :
We're challenging your leadership. We want to know if you're still fit to do this. We're going to hold a vote to find out whether. I've said this publicly, Andy. I, if I'd have been the leader at that time, I would have said, bring it on. Yeah. Let's do it.
SPEAKER 07 :
And so would I. And I would just say, look, guys. There is no way I'm going to waste our donors' money fighting you. Hold the vote. I'm going to make my case to the people. You hold the vote. And if they want to remove me, that's fine. That's what's best for the party.
SPEAKER 16 :
So the question I'm asking Dave and his supporters is this. What are you guys afraid of? I'm being very straight up honest. Dave, what are you afraid of? John, everything they do is to hold on to power.
SPEAKER 07 :
Everything.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, and we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thank you all for listening today. I appreciate it very much. And, again, I know there's times where we focus a lot on our state party and what's going on, and I do get a lot of thank you comments from a lot of you that maybe didn't even know a lot of this stuff was going on. You've kind of, you know, heard some of this stuff. As of late and why it's so important to me is because not only did we just go through a really solid election with Donald Trump and a lot of the things that happened there. And in spite of our Colorado GOP, we got some really great representatives elected that are now going to help Donald Trump in his mission to get some things righted in the country. But on top of all of that. In just two years, which I know for a lot seem like it's a long way away, but trust me, time flies. And we need to be preparing right now for the upcoming election in 2026 where we're going to elect a new governor for the state of Colorado. Of course, a lot of other little offices when it comes to things that happen inside of Colorado, senators, representatives, and so on.
SPEAKER 07 :
A new senator.
SPEAKER 16 :
And then on top of that, another senator, because Hickenlooper is up for reelection as well. So we've got a senator election, a senate election, I should say, and a governor election. And I will tell you right now, we are ill-prepared for both. I agree. I don't think we have any preparations, by the way, for either one of those.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we certainly don't have money. We're spending it all on legal fees.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that's a problem.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it is. John, we should be right now putting together a war chest to help these people.
SPEAKER 16 :
And as a side note, and I know the Democrats are really well and they've got a machine and they will figure some of these things out. But right now, keep in mind, there's sort of an internal battle going on, even in their own party, for who's going to run on their side for governor. You've got Phil Weiser, who's our attorney general, who, by the way, has never even tried a case in court. I don't know how he ever got to be attorney general, but that's a whole other conversation. Right. You've got him that threw his hat in the ring to run for governor of Colorado. And then just recently, and no, she hasn't formally announced it, but she will, Jenna Griswold is also going to throw her hat into the ring because there's already been some internal things going on with her that pretty much prove she's going to throw her hat in the ring. So you've got these two now, which... By the way, it doesn't typically happen on the Democrat side. Normally, they're a little bit more lockstep, especially in those two positions where they work pretty closely with one another, Andy. Right. Normally, they're not going to be that closely related, quote unquote, air quotes, and then both throw their hat in the ring. So the Democrats have some issues as well. My point is, given that fact, we should be more organized on our side and we're not.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, because for once, the Democrats are going to be tearing into each other for a few months.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that's good. And we don't have a clue what we're doing on our side.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 16 :
Honestly, we do not have a clue.
SPEAKER 07 :
We have no plan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Our leadership here, they're more worried about paying legal fees for our chairman, which is literally what they're doing, than they are helping candidates get elected.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, and endorsing candidates that lose by 30 points in the primaries.
SPEAKER 16 :
What's funny is when I get on these topics and I bring up some of the money and the spending and so on, occasionally some of Dave's supporters will actually text me and have some sort of a comeback to that. In this case, Andy, crickets, they don't say anything.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, because it all comes back to the same thing we've been saying. All you had to do was hold the meeting in June. You hold a meeting in June. all of this goes away All of it.
SPEAKER 16 :
I've never gotten an email or a text message defending the things that I'm talking about today in regards to our party leadership. And it'll be interesting to see if anybody even comes out and defends what I was saying and Andy was saying about who's really pulling the strings. Because I think a lot of Dave's supporters think he is. And a lot of you that are, you really need to take a close look at the things that I gave you examples of today as to why I can prove... that he is not the leader. He is the puppet doing things that other people's beckoning. But at the end of the day, no, he is not your leader.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, the interesting thing is, John, for Dave. Williams is the first time he represents the first time that the hardcore activists in the Republican Party have seized control of the Republican Party of Colorado. Now, don't get me wrong. We've had Tea Party and Liberty oriented chairs before we did. But this is the first time you've had an all-in, hardcore, opt-out-of-the-open primaries, no matter what the consequences, do whatever it takes, endorse in primaries, all this kind of crazy stuff. This is the first time that they have taken over the party. And what I'm saying is this. They don't want to give up that power because those people are probably thinking, if we lose power—
SPEAKER 16 :
We won't get it again.
SPEAKER 07 :
We're not going to get it back.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, no, they're hanging on for dear life.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because people are not going to want us back after this.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, Andy, absolutely. They are hanging on for dear life. They are going to do every single thing they possibly can. And I'm sorry, I'm going to say it this way. They will cheat. They will lie. They will do whatever they can from this point forward to make sure they retain power. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. They have absolutely no conscience. There's no scruples with these people at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
None. Zero. They have no conscience whatsoever holding them back. They have no internal lines saying, I won't cross that. Nothing.
SPEAKER 16 :
There is none of that, Andy. These people are all out. They have grasped, to your point, the power. They do not want to give that power up because, and you're 100% correct, they know that if they do, they're never getting it again. Not in my lifetime. Because everybody's going to remember what's happening. And really quick, some of you don't know this backstory, but I'm going to go ahead and throw it out there. You guys might as well know the truth. The reality is, we did have a really solid, liberty-minded candidate at one time that did a pretty good job while he could in running the party. That was Steve House, good friend of mine. Until... Some of those liberty-minded people that we're now talking about that, by the way, are in charge right now, tried to throw a coup and have Steve thrown out of office. Right, but their coup was okay. Those knuckleheads are the ones now that are in charge.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, they are.
SPEAKER 16 :
Literally, those same knuckleheads that tried to do that back then that, by the way, are mad at guys like Eli claiming that that's what he was doing when, in fact, that's not at all what he was doing. No. Eli was just doing what I've been trying to get done now for almost two years.
SPEAKER 07 :
Eli wanted no power. Remember, he only wanted to be the chair through the election and then turn it over. He wanted literally no power going forward.
SPEAKER 16 :
The very people right now that are in charge that tried to throw the coup back when Steve House had first become GOP chair, I'd have to go back and look and see exactly what year that was. I was very involved in a lot of what was going on at that time in a lot of things that I will not repeat and say because you guys just don't need to know the gory details. But the reality—and by the way, I was made fun of. I was called stupid, and I didn't know what I was doing, and I didn't know my— My ass from a hole in the ground and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Couldn't find my ass if it was in front of me. I mean, these are the sorts of things that openly were said about me back in the day. And those same people are now in charge of the party. And they're utter morons. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
And those people will look at Steve House. They call him a rhino. Steve House is a Trump supporter.
SPEAKER 16 :
You hear him every Thursday here talking about the very things Andy and I talk about every day.
SPEAKER 07 :
Steve House is the ultimate Fauci opponent. Correct. Exactly. Steve House loves all of Trump's appointees. Steve House is on your side and you hate him. You know why? Because Steve House doesn't run on rage. He runs on intellect.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and there are things that, and I love Steve dearly. He and I go way back. But there are things, literally, and Andy was right, there are things that even Steve is behind at times where I'm like, yeah, I don't know if I'm quite as far right on that as you are, Steve. But hey, go ahead. I still love you. We can kind of maybe agree to disagree. And by the way, not very many things that I feel that way about. We are pretty much on the same path on almost everything. But Steve on certain things is farther right than I am. Proving your point, Andy. He is not a rhino, not any stretch of the imagination.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think these people at times only respect rage.
SPEAKER 16 :
They are whacked. They are crazy in the head. They are loons. And unfortunately, they are in charge of the party.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, they are.
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SPEAKER 16 :
By the way, thank you all for the very kind text messages that you have sent in. Some of you thanking us for giving you all a lot of education and background on things that have happened inside of the party and really laying things out in a way that you guys can understand what's going on. Somebody else says, man, we've got to get some of the young people to really listen and understand how all this works as well. And Andy and I are up for anything when it comes to reaching young people. Others of you have have asked, why won't the national GOP step in and handle things? And by the way, I'll tell you why. Because Dave has them snowed. Dave has this particular administration, which, again, I think eventually they'll figure this out. But he's got the Trump administration snowed big time, thinking that everything here in Colorado is hunky dory. And the Trump administration itself has no idea how gory things really are here.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, bottom line is Dave backed the right horse.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Dave persuaded, he campaigned to have the Colorado State Party endorse Donald Trump in the primary. Right. Donald Trump then became president, and now, you know.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good luck.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, good luck getting the state national party to go after him.
SPEAKER 16 :
If we were to somehow contact somebody nationally and explain what's going on, we would be looked at as just a bunch of whiners. Everything in Colorado is great. Look at all the representatives that won. And, again, because Dave is taking – publicly, Dave and his cronies are taking credit for the Gabe Evans and the Cranks of the world. Who they didn't help one bit.
SPEAKER 07 :
They campaigned against them.
SPEAKER 16 :
But they're taking full credit for those guys being elected, and that's exactly how the Trump organization is looking at things, because that's what Dave is telling them.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I think a lot of it is this, and for those who think, well, Andy, are you going to attack Trump on this? No, I'm not.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, it's not his fault.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, Donald Trump has a state chair who endorsed him, which, by the way, shouldn't have endorsed in primary. It wasn't necessary. Trump would have won anyway. It was so stupid.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
All you did was insult all the supporters.
SPEAKER 16 :
That was a big brown nose move on the part of Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 07 :
Totally, because Dave Williams wants power.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And so Dave Williams did that. And guess what? It worked. If you're Donald Trump. Look, Donald Trump is somebody who has been opening up tons of allegiances that are not traditional. Kennedy, right? Tulsi Gabbard. Elon Musk. He has been broadening his base dramatically, and look at what it did. We won a landslide because of it. Hey, I can't fault the guy. So when he looks at somebody like Dave Williams, who was loyal to him and helped deliver Colorado for him, okay? Yeah. I know, I know. He would have won Colorado anyway. Right. But who got the state party to endorse him, he's not going to turn this. And remember, the other thing. Donald Trump is a very loyal man. He's very loyal.
SPEAKER 16 :
The other feather that's in Dave's cap for all of that is the lawsuit that was going on where there were a lot of folks, including some true rhinos that wanted to take Trump off the ballot. Yes, our state GOP and a lot of others, ourselves included, really campaigned against all of that. That ended up backfiring. Trump was still on the ballot. But again, Dave is taking credit. Even where credit isn't due, he's taking credit for a lot of things that to Donald Trump looks favorable. And it's sort of like, Andy, how should I say it?
SPEAKER 07 :
It's like... They're taking credit for Donald Trump staying on the ballot as if he was going to be taken.
SPEAKER 16 :
But really quick, it's like... siblings, where you've got mom and dad. And one sibling is always honest and in a lot of cases may even get in trouble because he or she is very honest and always owns up to the things that they do. In some cases, mom and dad might even look down on them just ever so slightly because they are very honest and they're probably the one that's in trouble more than the other one then you've got the other sibling who's a big brown noser right who knows exactly when to say what to mom and dad at just the right moment knows how to schmooze and woos and do all the things necessary to make sure mom and dad love them the most even though when it's all said and done they're the dirty rotten scoundrel not the other sibling yeah that's the that's the sibling that gets the most recognition from mom and dad am i explaining that correctly you are
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, the Bible asks the question, the Psalms asks the question, why do the wicked prosper? The reason that question was asked is because the wicked do prosper. Because they do. Okay, these people will say, well, if they were such bad guys, it would all fall apart.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not necessarily.
SPEAKER 07 :
Where have you been? The wicked prosper in this world. These things work. The very same things are being done by people ganging up on good employees at every company. Right. Okay. And getting positions they shouldn't get.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
This works everywhere.
SPEAKER 16 :
It's no different in this particular situation. So those supporters out there.
SPEAKER 07 :
And they got the CEO liking them.
SPEAKER 16 :
But these supporters that are out there rallying around Dave. Guys, and I know some of you listen. you're being hoodwinked. You're being blinded. You literally are being schmoozed, just like Donald Trump, when at the end of the day, all Dave and his cronies that are really in his tight little circle, because again, I don't think Dave's actually running things, all they care about is themselves and their power. Well, that's what Dave and his cronies care about.
SPEAKER 07 :
The people who support Dave, really, the biggest reason, John, is this. They're very angry over what's been taken from them, and they see Dave as somebody who will fight even when it's irrational.
SPEAKER 16 :
He's the revenge factor.
SPEAKER 07 :
So they see him as a mini-Trump in that way. He's not, but that's how they see him.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I know. Andy, not even close. But yeah, no, you are correct. That's exactly how his supporters see him. So again, those of you listening, those of you that are close supporters, some of you that are on the committee that are going to have a vote on Thursday, I really, I cannot impress upon you enough. Really take a step back. Listen to some of the things that we have explained today and really analyze what's this vote going to do. And at the end of the day, does it really help the party or does it hurt the party in ways, by the way, that we'll never get back moving forward? So I'll leave you with that. Guys, have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Hour 2, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Of course, Charlie is our engineer. John Hart joining us, CEO of Open the Books. Like I said earlier, John, welcome. How are you? I'm great. Thanks for having me. Always a joy. And first thing I ask most guests right now, especially those that are on our side of the aisle, is how much have you enjoyed the past week?
SPEAKER 07 :
I really think this is a 1989 moment for the United States. It's a chance to tear down the bureaucratic wall that has separated we the people from their government. So we've had this 100-year growth of the administrative state, and there's a historic opportunity. to reverse it. So I'm very hopeful. There's a lot of ways you can go off the rails, but there's a lot of things that can go right. And I have great confidence in we the people's wisdom to push things in the right direction.
SPEAKER 14 :
And again, for those of you listening, we interview open the books, you know, John, you and others from your organization on a pretty routine basis. And you guys have done just a A how should I say just over the years, you guys have done just phenomenal work when it comes to finding, you know, government waste. A lot of the things that I know this administration is going to be looking at, you guys have already done. So I guess really quick before we get into some of the things that your thoughts are when it comes to Doge and so on. How much or has this administration reached out to you guys to even align with some of the facts that you guys have found when it comes to government waste over the years?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, well, look, I don't want to – I'm always hesitant to be too specific about when people reach out to us, but I'll tell you that we've been a very close contact.
SPEAKER 04 :
We want recordings.
SPEAKER 07 :
With decision makers, right? Exactly. Speaking of – yeah, I would say visibility does not mean voyeurism. There's no surveillance.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I also know, John, that with what you guys put out, the fact that you've got not only a website, but you do these sorts of interviews and different things as well, and you'll pull out different papers on things that you recently find on certain things. I mean, that stuff is public. I mean, any of these folks could have read those things over the years, and I've got to believe they have.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I'll say, just a couple of tidbits I'm comfortable sharing. I mean, yes, the administration's reached out to us. We've got great contacts over there. But I'm also encouraged by how much initiative Congress is taking. So there's a Doge caucus in the House and Senate. They've already used a lot of our material. There's an open line of communication. And that's encouraging because really, for these changes to go into effect, they have to be made permanent through legislative action. So I'm a fan of a lot of the executive orders, particularly the ones on DEI and affirmative action and energy. Those are really helpful and necessary. But you've got to lock these savings in through legislation. Absolutely. And that's what we hope to see happen. And I worked on the Hill for years. I was the late Senator Coburn's longtime comms director. He was a legendary fiscal conservative, proved that you really can cut waste if you focus on it and do the hard work. We got rid of earmarks for a decade and helped write the legislation that actually enabled Open the Books to exist. So we created USA Spending. which put all federal spending online, that has empowered citizens to hold their government accountable. Because, again, it's this belief that the elites in our country, they're not in Washington. They're people driving right now, listening, who care about the future of the country and want to be involved and just want the information that they need to make good decisions. And so we have a tremendous... faith and confidence in the collective wisdom of the crowd.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, how has it changed the narrative and, shall we say, the political lay of the land for you to have, for the first time ever, the head honcho at X basically broadcasting all government waste? So for the first time ever, you've got Elon Musk telling everybody how right John Hart has been. Well, it is extraordinary. I hear he has posters of you all over his home.
SPEAKER 07 :
I doubt that. No, but it is thrilling, and I cannot tell you how gratifying it is. And it's gratifying because, again, we were in the trenches doing the dirty job of identifying waste 20 years ago. So my old boss, Coburn, offered the amendment to defund the bridge to nowhere back in 2005. We lost that 82 to 15, but that really, that was a key moment in the tea party era that, and, and we did, again, we got rid of earmarks for a decade. We cut spending year to year for the first time since the end of the Korean war back in 2012 and 13. But imagine what we could have done. We had, we had an Elon Musk in our corner back then. And so it makes a huge difference. You know, it, it takes the bully pulpit and turns it up to 11 and, and it's really an unprecedented opportunity.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really quick, there was news that came out today, of course, you know, Trump basically, not basically, Trump put a pause right now on, you know, federal grant programs reviewing whether they align or not. And I realize that's dicey. There'll, of course, be lawsuits coming out right off the bat because in some cases those were already discussed. you know, earmarked by Congress, although I don't disapprove of what Trump's doing because what he's really doing is putting a lot of people on notice where, hey, if you are not legit and you're just on the dole, we are coming after you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, look, to be honest with you, I think the pause idea, you know, I have mixed feelings on it because it feels like a bit of an unforced error when they don't need to do that. The executive orders were written really well. And the Constitution gives the president all kinds of tools to play hardball with Congress. He doesn't have the authority to really pause spending, but he does have the authority to veto bills. And so I hope it just, at a minimum, puts Congress on notice to say, he's not messing around here.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think he and his staff around him know what you just said, but I think, again, this is just a signal. This is that flare that just went up that said, hey, guys, we aren't dinking around here.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I mean, a lot of it, John, just seems like Trump does this to put the wind in the sails of Doge. We're putting you on notice. Yeah, put everybody on notice and just keep the heat on and say, hey, this isn't going away. This is mounting.
SPEAKER 07 :
Go ahead, John. Right, right. No, I absolutely hope that's the case. I think when you're in these titanic fights over spending, you've got to pick the poster child of waste really carefully. And so that's what we did with the bridge to nowhere and, you know, shrimp on a treadmill back in the day. And last week, the focus was on the very woke, you know, LA fire department. And that's where you want the focus to stay. You don't want to have situations where what if someone accidentally doesn't get their Medicaid payment? Or what if some police department is inadvertently defunded, you know, through the pause? Then you really put yourself behind the eight ball. And that's why it's just a tactical difference that I wouldn't have done the pause quite in that way. And I would have.
SPEAKER 04 :
really just push for the permanent cuts and spending because that's really what people want they don't want these things paused they want them done that's right they want them out budget john do you favor doing just one big thing like the bridge to nowhere and having that be the one that you you know like you just said that everybody focuses on or would you like to roll one out every single week or will people become numb to it then No, it's really a both-and.
SPEAKER 07 :
The image that I think of a lot is that as transparency can cut through government like water cuts through stone, when it finds cracks, it can wash away mighty walls of opposition. So you want to keep that steady flow going, and even if these examples seem trivial or redundant or repetitive... All of that drip, drip, drip, drip, drip really makes a difference over the long haul. And then you have an issue with DEI that's blatantly... DEI itself is unconstitutional. It's a violation of the Civil Rights Act to discriminate on the basis of race. And then people realize, wow, that's really nutty that the government has been funding this, and they've been funding misinformation censorship through the federal government. Those cracks in the edifice of the administrative state are big openings, but you've got to keep that. So it's really both and. It's not an either or. You've got to have the crazy examples, but you have to just relentlessly put out information.
SPEAKER 14 :
Realistically, and I know this is hard, you don't have a crystal ball, I don't either, and we don't know what the future holds, but realistically, in the next 12 months, let's say, what do you really feel this administration, along with, of course, Congress, and you've got the Senate involved in this as well, but when it's all said and done, how much wasteful spending do you really think they can tackle and take out of the budget?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it depends on their level of courage. If they have a maximum level of courage, then they really could cut out about $2 trillion.
SPEAKER 04 :
Is that $2 trillion over how many years?
SPEAKER 07 :
Like a third of the budget, like per year. Oh, wow.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because we spent $3 trillion on assistance in 2024.
SPEAKER 07 :
The overall budget is, I think, 7.6. The number that I use a lot is, in the 1980s, the Grace Commission found that one out of every three tax dollars is wasted. If you extrapolate that to the base numbers, you get it. But it is true, you can't do that unless you're really willing to, what I would call, save Social Security and Medicare. The big myth in Washington is that when politicians say, we're not going to touch Social Security and Medicare, That's code for them saying, we're going to let Social Security and Medicare go bankrupt because we don't have the courage to address reform. And we really can make sure that those programs exist and are fully funded for middle and lower income people. But you've got to means test it. You've got to do some things to tweak it to make sure that it really is going to be there in the future. And if they're willing to think big in that scope, then you really can get to that big number. Otherwise, you're looking at more in the $500 or $600 billion range.
SPEAKER 14 :
Which, by the way, is a lot of money, but nothing compared to what you said a moment ago.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's a quarter of what you were talking about.
SPEAKER 07 :
But the one thing that's really important to think about in terms of the scope is that there's this fallacy of the fixed pie. Like, socialists think about money as a fixed pie. Like, it's all about redistributing the size of a pie. But in a dynamic growing economy... The pie is always growing, because you have investment and you have new wealth created. A lot of the junk in the federal budget is really focused on stopping new innovation from happening, particularly in energy. In other words, if you cut EPA by 50%, you may have a four-fold increase in energy innovation. just by getting the stupid regulations out of the way. So then you really create economic growth, and you can't really deal with our debt and deficits unless we have a very dynamic, vibrant, growing economy. And the administration gets that. That's why he's focusing on AI. He's focusing on energy. So these things really work in tandem. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 14 :
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putting reason into your afternoon drive this is john rush all right we are back rush to reason denver's afternoon rush klz 560 thank you all for joining us we appreciate it very much and one thing that i was gonna if i could have kept john on a little longer i would have but he's busy and has all sorts of things to do and does different interviews throughout the day as well i try to honor those guys this time when they're on and he already spent probably five more minutes with us than what had actually been planned but one thing i would ask i think andy you had the same question is how many u.s worker how many federal u.s federal workers may just quit given that trump's their new boss and he's requiring them to come back into the office and they may just say you know what i'm done there's about he's anti-dei that's right so there's roughly not counting the post office There's about 2.5 million federal workers. Think about that number for a moment. 2.5 million federal workers.
SPEAKER 04 :
And you're talking outside the post office?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, there's 600,000 roughly in the post office, and there's about 3 million, 3.1 million federal workers. So think about this for a moment, folks. We've got roughly, roughly 350 million people in the U.S. That counts old people that aren't working anymore, young people that can't work, babies, and so on. So think about this. There is literally, literally, if you include the post office in this, which they're a federal worker, if you think about this, there is one for ten as far as how many workers in the federal government versus people. Folks, far too many. My gosh. I don't care if you're a federal worker listening to me and you don't agree with me. Far too many workers in the federal government if there's a one for ten ratio.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I don't know if you noticed, I almost passed out from sheer joy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Sorry, I'm off on that too. He'd be 30, for 10% you'd need 30 million, so 1%. Yeah, whatever. Still, one in 100.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's still crazy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Still too many.
SPEAKER 04 :
I almost passed out from pure joy just at John's suggestion of cutting the EPA in half.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'm okay with just getting rid of it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I despise the EPA.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because, frankly, and for those of you listening that would say, well, John, how are you going to keep the rivers clean? You have states. We have states' rights. They all have their own health departments, by the way. It is so much different. dual things going on with so many different things in this country it's just layer upon layer upon layer of government by the way from everything that's local because i got a story for you that goes along with this so we are talking from local all the way to federal the amount of additional layers that are there on in some cases people literally doing the same job over and over again it's nonsense
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Duplication. It happens all over the place. There's so much redundancy. And also, hey, without the EPA's help, California managed to destroy their water supply. OK, like you said, states can make good or bad decisions and then reap what they sow. We don't need the EPA to tell us what to do in what we need. Our officials right there in each state who have to respond to who the voters every couple of years and basically go back to the voters and say, OK, I managed the environment well enough, but I didn't wreck your life. How is the balance? Do you want to reelect me?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. In other words, Andy, instead of these positions, because it happens in Colorado, it happens on a national basis. The heads of these departments, again, federally or locally, they are not elected folks. They are appointed. Which means they can't be unelected. One of my biggest beefs. They actually, in most cases, and this is not an exaggeration, have more power over you and your business than those elected officials do. Yeah. These appointees end up with far more power. You look at Colorado and the Department of Health, and these folks are appointed, by the way, to the Department of Health. The reality is that Department of Health, in a lot of cases, has more power than your local city council, your local mayor, your local county commissioners do.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, I mean, look national. Yes, absolutely. You're totally right. Look national for a second. You only have 50 governors. You only have 100 senators. Okay, that's only 150 people. That's an incredibly small, incredibly powerful group, correct?
SPEAKER 14 :
All elected, though.
SPEAKER 04 :
And yet, ask any one of them to override the EPA.
SPEAKER 14 :
They can't. They can't. No, they can try to pass law.
SPEAKER 04 :
They wouldn't have a chance.
SPEAKER 14 :
They can try to get together and put some bills together to where they could pass something that would control, quote unquote, the EPA. But at the end of the day, yeah, they don't hold a candle to the power that EPA officials, ATF officials, on down the line we go, Andy. Which means our lives are being run by people we can't vote out.
SPEAKER 04 :
And this is something that conservatives have to start realizing. Conservatives, if you're listening right now, you probably know a lot of young people. And young people, by and large, don't like the right. Look at them and say, you know, one thing about our side is this. We don't want your life controlled by people you can't vote out. Right now, your life is being controlled by an awful lot of people you cannot vote out. You can't vote them out. You have no control over those who are controlling you. We think you deserve that control.
SPEAKER 14 :
The only thing you can try to do in the case of, for example, your Department of Health and your state agencies is if you vote out your governor and make a change there, you might get some different people appointed to those positions that more align with you. But even that sometimes can be a crapshoot because depending upon the power that those in that department have and yield, by the way, They can become very difficult to replace, Andy. Right. And it happens constantly. Point being, a lot of these departments, and I mean a lot of these departments, three-letter agencies, I should say, federally speaking, And I guess really what needs to happen is, okay, do we believe as a country in states' rights? If we do, which I do, if we believe in states' rights, then some of these federal agencies, EPA being one of them, no longer need to exist. You know, you might have a board, by the way. Don't call it the EPA and don't have the thousands of workers, which if I looked it up, there's probably tens of thousands of workers that work for the EPA, Andy. You could literally do what the EPA does as an overarching board to watch over what states are doing with 10 people.
SPEAKER 04 :
By the way, if I may, are you pretty excited about Donald Trump's idea of over 80,000 IRS slash border agents? That's a great example, by the way. I love it. Okay, so somebody comes into power and they can actually move this people.
SPEAKER 14 :
By the way, I wasn't too far off. There's 18,700 EPA workers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
By the way, that's 18,690 more than they need. Yes. In my opinion. Look, they don't need them.
SPEAKER 04 :
But here's a great example. Once again, young people or anyone who knows a young person, listen for a moment. Donald Trump comes in, gets rid of the EV mandate. What does that mean? People look and say, oh, he doesn't care about the planet. Okay, let me ask you something, young person. Do you want to help pay for somebody else's car?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I own one. My car.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
You want to help pay for my car?
SPEAKER 04 :
Do you want to help pay for John Rush's car?
SPEAKER 14 :
Literally, that's what you're doing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, they should because John Rush is a great guy. Thank you. I think John Rush deserves to have these poor young kids who are trying to get enough money to go to college and are working at McDonald's. They should also pay for John Rush's car because you're a great guy, John. you know and you care literally that that explanation is what's happening andy you do you guys want to help pay for john rush's car i don't think so no look by the way i don't want you right guys the evs if they're such a great idea they'll sell on their own and here's the thing evs right now are a toy for the rich if you take away subsidies they're a toy for the rich does that mean i'm against them no i think they're a great toy for the rich i think it's great i've said it many times and And you're a car guy. You're going to have every kind of car because you're— Well, and part of that is because I wanted to learn— You're an imbalanced person. You really like cars.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I wanted to, on the weekend show, be able to explain how they work and the good, the bad, the ugly of all of that. I wanted to be able to do that during the day as well, which, by the way, we have.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but seriously, folks, you've got to understand. John, we'll go down the elevator after the show. He's still talking cars.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and the reality is— It's a religion. We have literally interviewed so many quote-unquote experts.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
On EVs, Andy, you've been with me when we've done this, and you get them on air, and I'm not trying to exaggerate because it's not. I literally know more about them than they do, and they're supposedly the quote-unquote experts. That's because, Andy, when you own one and you deal with all the factions of, the good, the bad, and otherwise, you start learning more. All of the idiosyncrasies of that particular product. And by the way, Andy's right. Those that can afford one, great. Go buy one on your own. And those that maybe still want one but can't afford one, well, guess what? Wait around about two or three years and those new ones will become used ones. Yeah. And you can go buy one of those, by the way. Sure. And off you go.
SPEAKER 04 :
See, another thing I always ask young people, John, along this line, do you want to pay for other people's activism? No. Okay. Because you can't be into all forms of activism. You're going to have a few that are mainly your thing, right? You want to save, I don't know, the spotted owl. You want to... I don't even know what those look like. But you want to save the whale. You want to save some fish in California. You want to save whatever. Okay. You know, recycling. Okay. You're into recycling. These are all stupid, by the way. But... Whoever puts those things through, they are all free to pay for that activism on their own. They put these things through government to force you to help pay for their activism. Shouldn't you be able to choose what issues are important to you? Shouldn't you be able to choose your own activism and fund it on your own?
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. Absolutely, Andy. Great explanation.
SPEAKER 04 :
Why is this a hard sales pitch for kids? I don't think it is.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because they've never been taught what you just said. They've never been taught that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Shouldn't you be able to choose your own activism?
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Shouldn't you be able to choose your own car?
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. But see, they've never been taught that, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they haven't.
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right. I talked in the last hour and really towards the end, some of you listening may or may not have heard that. So today, this particular time slot, I should say, would be a good time to recap what we were talking about during that hour because we didn't get a chance to really cover everything. And I wanted to get Andy's input on a few things. And that is, I asked the question. who really is running the Colorado GOP. And before some of you supporters of Dave Williams just, you know, are shouting at the radio saying, well, Dave is, Dave is. Yeah, no, he's not. Sorry, guys, you're not going to convince me.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, he's not. Look, like I said, I consider Dave to be more competent than those who work for him.
SPEAKER 14 :
A little.
SPEAKER 04 :
So I think Dave is part of a team that, of those who are running that group. I do believe it's though it's being led by Oltman. It's being led by Chuck and Julie. It's being led. And I do believe that Dave is on that team. I think it's being led by Matt Arnold. I think it's being led by, um, a few others, you know, the Imers, uh, Charlie had mentioned, I think he's right there, you know, I think that basically you've got a very hardcore activist group. They know that they are tied in all over the state with the Liberty groups and Tea Party groups, and they can turn out a tremendous number of people for meetings. They cannot compete in primaries or general elections at all, but you don't have to do that to seize power.
SPEAKER 14 :
You don't. Not in this case.
SPEAKER 04 :
And for Dave, all he wants is $200,000 a year.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, in his next position, whatever that happens to be.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, if Dave thinks he's going to run for governor, I mean, unless he's thinking of soaking his campaign for a bunch of money, which he might, okay, if he thinks he can possibly even come within 20 points for the governorship, and he can't, it won't even be 30, within 30, okay, if he thinks that, then he has literally lost his mind. Well, I don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Or didn't have much to start with.
SPEAKER 04 :
You're so mean. You see, for me, it's never been personal. You hate the guy. I got nothing personal against Dave Williams. I just look at the things he's done, and I'm just like, please don't do these things.
SPEAKER 14 :
I just dislike the guy because of what he's done, politically speaking, to our party in this state.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and you're a Colorado native. I am not, and that's why it's more personal for you.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I think he's a weasel. I think Dave's out for Dave only, despite what anybody out there might say. His actions prove that I'm correct in that. And by the way, no one's been able to come on this program yet. There's only been two people that have tried. No one's been able to come on this program yet and disprove me. No. Not one person?
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 14 :
And even those of you that have tried via text message and emails and things like that, I typically come back at you with just a few answers. Then they run. Yeah, and even you can't defend beyond that. And I've said it all along. I said it from the very get-go, literally not quite two years ago. Pretty close to two years ago, a little less than two years ago, I came out and said, this guy is trouble. He is looking out for his own best interests. He doesn't care anything about the state of Colorado and or the party in Colorado. He is here for the 200K and whatever that next position happens to be out of it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree. And what I've really noticed is none of his defenders can defend him. That's the thing that keeps coming up over and over and over. As you know, I was on a Zoom call with some people who are running to lead the party in Arapahoe County, the chair. By the way, after the Zoom call, I decided to run for chair.
SPEAKER 14 :
Fine. Good job.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, if there are too many Dave supporters, I won't have a chance, but who knows? Whatever. I've been the vice chair, so at least I know what I'm doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know what it entails.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, but I asked a couple questions. Some people said I was too harsh, which maybe.
SPEAKER 14 :
Too harsh for asking questions?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, because what I wanted was this. I said, look, I said, in these positions, you will be voting on state party leadership. So we need to talk about your support because they had already said they are fully, absolutely in support of Dave Williams and everything he has done. I said, OK, if that's the case, do you think that the state party should be attacking Republican candidates in primaries? They did this. Do you think the state party should put paid for by the Colorado Republican Committee on mailers and newspapers that they send out that advocate for the state chair's campaign and attack? other republican candidates do you think they should be doing these things and they just said well we don't think we don't think that was happening i said that's fact that's actually history that happened yes well we don't we that's your opinion that's not my opinion that actually happened can absolutely no ability to defend against any of it okay it just blows my mind john
SPEAKER 14 :
That goes back to my whole point with asking this question as to who's really running the party is because of the things that you're saying, and I'll add another layer onto that. Given the fact that Dave himself... Literally, I mean, he's been on a couple of different programs. And by the way, the people that he was talking to ate his lunch. So the reality is he won't go on any program where he feels that he's got a disadvantage in that particular conversation. In other words, if the other person is smarter than him and can defend their positions better than he can, he just won't go on and talk to them at all. This is my reasoning for coming up with who's really running the party. Because if Dave was this smart... as it seems in regards to some of these political maneuvers he's making in getting the power of the party in his hands, trust me, he would be on air. He would be debating me. He'd be debating Andy online. He would be doing all sorts of things in the public square to defend himself. The reality is he can't. He won't. Therefore, proving my point, he's not the guy pulling the strings for the party. Others are. Yeah, he's the front man. That's all he is.
SPEAKER 04 :
What really scares me, John, is their entire power play is this. We can't win any debates anywhere. So what we're going to do is simply rally numbers. And we're going to rally numbers around the state from the crowd that doesn't care about winning debates. They simply know, look, we hate the open primaries and we must get rid of them no matter what. We hate petition candidates. There are those rich folk who don't go to assembly and caucus. We got to get rid of them no matter what. They can't defend any of it. So all they do is rally numbers. And honestly, John, is it going to work this year? I think probably.
SPEAKER 14 :
My prediction is this meeting they're having Thursday night, unless a lot of you listening change your ways, and some of you core people understand what I'm saying in reality of who's actually running the party, unless some of you change your ways and your thoughts and your votes as to what's going to happen on Thursday, Dave seizes more power at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's what's going to happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And at that point, folks, I hate to say this, it's almost like this last election with Trump and Kamala. If Kamala would have won, you stick a fork in the United States, it's done. If Dave Williams gets his way Thursday, stick a fork in Colorado politics on our side of the aisle, it's done.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. But let me ask you, put it out two years then. Obviously, look, if Dave and his people stay in control of the Colorado Republican Party, which I think is very possible. Mm-hmm. We're done. Because they'll opt out of the open primary. And I have listed for people in detail the consequences of that. They're going to be devastating. And they're going to punish petition candidates, which means they're going to get the worst candidates. And they're going to put through. If they had gotten their way, we would have lost the House for Donald Trump. We've looked at the candidates. That's not an if, maybe, or might. We've done the math. We've done the math. It isn't close. Had the state party gotten their way, we would have lost the House for Donald Trump. Okay. If they're in charge for the next two years, they're going to run the party into the ditch with that kind of power. What happens then? Do people finally say that's enough? Or will they have amassed so much power that they are in power in perpetuity?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, because of the changes in the bylaws and what they're trying to get done right now, it will become extremely difficult to change the tide of that on down the road two, four, six, eight years. Not saying that it couldn't ever be changed and or be changed back to where power changes back to the people, which, by the way, it's ironic that Dave will tell you that that's what he's doing right now in relation to these rule changes is he's trying to get more power back to the people. No, Dave, you're doing just the opposite. You're taking it away from people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Anyone who knows anything about numbers understands you're trying to shrink the pool so you're a bigger fish.
SPEAKER 14 :
Shrinking the pot. Come on. Shrinking the pot. That's all you're doing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
At the end of the day, you're not doing anything other than that. Right, Andy?
SPEAKER 04 :
John, I'm sorry, but I got no other wording for it. You have to be really dumb to buy that line. I mean, you've got to be hurting, okay? And I know that sounds mean. I know it sounds mean, but my goodness. I'm sorry. The numbers are what they are, John. He's looking at a group that overwhelmingly votes against him at the state central committee, and he's trying to shrink that group by over 80%, by about 90%, okay? There is no other conclusion to that. Mm-mm. It's a power grab.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Somebody asked the question, do Democrats in Colorado have an open primary?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. Yeah, both parties have an open primary. Really quick for those who don't know, unaffiliated vote. What this means is unaffiliated voters can choose which primary they wish to vote in. So they can vote in the Republican primary or the Democrat primary. Usually the Republican primary is going to be a lot juicier.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. There's more going on on our side.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because the party's dominated by the left. Yeah. The state is dominated by the left.
SPEAKER 04 :
The state's dominated by the left, which means what? They got a ton of incumbents who I would run against them. So they're going to participate in our side.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, they rescued us from our state party's endorsements.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
They gave us Jeff Crank.
SPEAKER 14 :
They gave us... They weren't super smart to... in how they handled things this last election, because when it was all said and done, what they did came back to bite them.
SPEAKER 04 :
The unaffiliated?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, the Democrats. What they tried to do with us and our party and getting some of our hardcore folks elected, it didn't work out that way for them, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. For those who have forgotten, the Democrats poured money in to try to get Jeff Hurd to not be our candidate. They tried to help Ron Hanks. Right. And Jeff Hurd still beat him by like 14 points or something like that. I mean, they tried, though. They really tried. They did. And this is what blows my mind, John. We'll end with this and then go to break. These people who say we've got to opt out of the primary, they say that the Democrats who infiltrate amongst the unaffiliated and vote in our primary are trying to give us these milquetoast moderate candidates. When all of the money we see spent by Democrats in our primaries all goes to their kind of candidates.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's the opposite, actually.
SPEAKER 04 :
Basically, the Democrats looked at the list of candidates endorsed by the state party. Mm-hmm. And that's who they supported.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, really quick to close with this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Ultimately, it's because they have a better understanding of what candidates can win in Colorado versus what our hardcore right does here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it does. And I think that's true of the hardcore of either party. The hardcore left doesn't know what wins. The hardcore right just doesn't know what wins. And I'm hardcore right. I hate to say that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Somebody else said that you know that all the other talk shows in Denver, AM Radio, have called on Dave to come on their programs too. They've also welcomed the supporters to call in. Regardless, that doesn't happen not just on this program but others as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they won't debate. They can't debate.
SPEAKER 14 :
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Back to Rush to Reason. All right, really quick. Costco has been put on notice, by the way, by a lot of politicians that if they don't change their DEI practices, it will not end well. We'll see how that fight goes because Costco is pretty hardcore left.
SPEAKER 04 :
They are very hardcore left, and the question is, does bigotry sell anymore? It has for quite a while. But over the last few years, it's been going down.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree. All right. In other news, we were talking earlier. Andy asked this question. And ironically, Richard sent me this article just a few minutes ago. And this just came out late this afternoon. President Donald Trump's administration. is set to offer every single federal worker the chance to take a deferred resignation with a severance package of roughly eight months of pay and benefits. A senior administration official told NBC that they expect 5% to 10% of the federal workforce to quit. They estimate that could lead to around $100 billion in savings. So that's your answer to your question earlier, Andy. Okay. Which I didn't know was going to come out in the news.
SPEAKER 04 :
Eight months is a pretty good payout. Yeah. I've seen a year plus, but eight months, I've also seen well under eight months, so that's not bad.
SPEAKER 14 :
So some of these people that just don't like this administration, knowing that over the course of the next four years, how much more difficult will this job get? Will I even have this job? Will they figure out other ways to cut this job? I think their percentage, Andy, is probably not far off, because if you're in that position thinking, hmm, hmm, do I really need to be here? Can I take eight months pay and leave? Yeah, I think some of them will take that.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. Big question for you, though, John. We're talking about a lot of liberals who work in government and have for many years. How many of them are confident they can work outside of government? Because eight months, that'll evaporate.
SPEAKER 14 :
These will be people that are one of two things, is my opinion. Older? Either you're older and you know that you're on that path anyways. Okay. You might even have some pension that's already laid up. And that eight months, by the way, might even put you to the place where, hey, I'm just going to call it quits. Or you've only been there two or three years and you realize that, man, this is going to be a long road to hoe to get my pension in the next 20 to 25 years. And I don't think I can do this. So I'm gone.
SPEAKER 04 :
I wonder how long the offer is going to be there. What if they decide six months from now? I don't think the offer will be there.
SPEAKER 14 :
The offer is set to go out to the federal workforce through a new system that Trump's administration is setting up that gives officials the ability to email all federal employees at once. In the email will be a draft resignation letter for them to review. If a person wishes to resign, they will be able to reply with the word resign. The resignation period will begin Tuesday and go through February 6th, to answer your question, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, Elon Musk had said earlier this year that there would be a pretty generous package offered to people to leave. So, you know, this has been in the works for a while.
SPEAKER 14 :
So, in other words, this is going to go out Tuesday, and they've got a week to decide. Right. Roughly. Actually, not even a week, because Tuesday will be the 4th, so they're not even going to have—they've got three days to decide, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, this is really interesting, John, because between places like CNN, right? Yeah. Okay, follow me here. Between them and all these federal workers, it's going to be the Libby's, the liberals who are going to leave. A lot of liberals are suddenly going to be pouring into— The workplace.
SPEAKER 14 :
Looking for jobs. Yeah, no offense. It's not going to end well.
SPEAKER 04 :
You don't think so?
SPEAKER 14 :
No. And do you want to know why? Why? I'll tell you next hour. Okay. As an employer, I will tell you next hour. Because it's not going to end well for them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Would you as an employer want somebody who just ran from the government?
SPEAKER 14 :
That will be the major question. We have one guest, by the way, at the top of the hour. Then I'll answer Andy's question after that. Aiden Grogan is going to join us. And actually, we're going to talk about the fact that there is a huge and we've talked about this before on this program many, many times, especially through covid. Is there a huge depopulation agenda that is headed up by all sorts of different private and government entities? We'll talk about that next. We'll be right back. Myself, Andy Pate, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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All right, it is Tuesday. Welcome, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all joining us today. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Always a lot to cover, especially with what we've seen, Andy, this past week. Boy, has it been great. Every day is Christmas. I'm loving it so much. It hasn't, how should I say this? It hasn't slowed down much. And I know at some point it will. I mean, what he's doing, President Trump is doing in regards to, you know, getting things in gear and so on. I understand, Andy, it won't last forever. I get that at some point things will settle down a little bit and it'll be back to, you know, sort of business as usual. But I guess question for you before we do question of the day. Yeah, go ahead. How long do you think? That will be because I have my own thoughts. How long do you think what will be this this role? A lot of the things that he's doing right now to get things going, get, you know, in other words, how long will it be until it's sort of, you know, President Trump business as usual? What what's your what are you thinking time frame wise on that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it kind of comes in two stages, and here's why. It's going to be, I believe, golly, about another six to eight weeks, I think, before he gets a couple more Republicans back in the House to where they can actually do some stuff that actually goes through the House and then through the Senate. So everything he's doing right now is just stuff he can do, he can do, he can do, he can do. And he's going to do that rapid fire. I think that his rapid fire actions will probably only go another week or two. And then you're basically going to see a lot coming out from his people. I mean, Tom Holman will be just a nonstop, he is everywhere kind of thing. And obviously, Kristi Noem is going to be huge on that regard, too. So I think a lot, what is going to happen is after just a few weeks, it's going to be more his people doing a lot of this. It's not going to be Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. And I think by design, I think he's going to want it that way. But I think he wants to, right up front, make it very clear, hey, man, it's all about me. You know what? I could see him doing a lot more after the first couple weeks is leaning more into the overseas stuff, like what he did with Colombia, the demands he's been making on China and so forth. That's where Trump really gets he gets jazzed about that. He loves these overseas deals and, you know, talking. I think he's going to want a new Abraham Accords and he's going to want new trade deals with China, stuff like that. That's where he gets really excited. I think what he's doing is launching a lot of stuff early on and then he can kind of turn that over to the peeps. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
I don't think you're that far off. I think it'll be roughly 30 days or so, which, given what you just said, probably about the same number. So we're both thinking correctly there. I do think then it will move into his appointees, the people that he's got in charge of, everything from defense to education to you name it. On down the line we go. Different things that will happen along those lines.
SPEAKER 14 :
And he'll always be hands-on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER 14 :
He's not going to be gone like Joe Biden. I'm just saying not at this frenetic pace.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it will not be like it is now. Today, announcing that he's basically turning the water on to California. That was awesome. Things like that. I mean, those are not going to go on forever, and I get that. And for those of you that are listening, no, it will not be that way forever. It will come down to a sort of a normal pace. Although, Andy, I think there's enough things on Trump's agenda, to your point, even some of the things regarding overseas things we need to get taken care of, potential tariffs, getting countries back in line, you know, really running around the world, if you would, saying, listen. this is you know this is the old usa that's now back this is no longer right you know the apology tour in fact this isn't even my first term this is my first term 20 you know this is a much better term or going to be a much better term than even i had the last time around oh and this is going to be even a different america than it was the last time around so guys buckle up
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I just think that, and keep in mind also, his people are not in place yet. They're getting confirmed one by one by one by one. But what I think is going to happen is once he can finally turn over the reins here in the country, and by the way, one thing that makes it a lot easier is this time around he has an absolute juggernaut at vice president. He didn't have that last time. Now he does. And so, you know, let's face it, Vance is going to handle a lot of that. But I foresee Trump and Rubio because let's face it, man, they're a team overseas. Trump loves Rubio and Rubio loves Trump. They agree. And I see Trump and Rubio becoming just dominant on the world stage.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, my prediction as far as all that goes, and I could be wrong, although I don't, I think if you look at this in a natural progression, first 30 days getting a lot of these things that we've just got them talking about in order, getting those things done, getting your people in place and so on. I see his next big challenge, you got to end this war in Ukraine. That'll be his next big thing he really focuses on and gets done.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. Overseas, stuff like that. Well, let me give you an example. You're already seeing Trump phase down. We're seeing a little bit less and less of Trump on the border stuff. Why?
SPEAKER 03 :
He doesn't need to. He doesn't need to.
SPEAKER 14 :
He's got home in a gnome. Right. You know what I mean? He's got them in place. They got this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Turn it over, let them do their thing, and move on.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
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Well, I've heard this particle is also very theatrical, very extroverted. I don't know.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Andy, you got a question?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I do. Speaking of J.D. Vance, who, let's face it, he is a superhero. Someone get him a cape. Okay, he went on with Margaret Brennan in a very infamous interview. Have you played any of it?
SPEAKER 03 :
Talked about it briefly yesterday, but didn't play any.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, long story short, at one point, she asks him, and this just blows my mind, she asks him, well, you know, are you actually saying that they're going to go, or no, no, no, I'm sorry, he commented on this, but Tom Holman went into more depth on this. So, okay, when Tom Holman was asked, he was asked, are you actually going to be going into hospitals and schools? you know, to get illegal immigrants and so forth. And he's just like, yes, absolutely. We're going to be going in. John. What is the matter with these people? I mean, don't they seem to understand? Did they just wake up? Here's what really angers me. These are people in the media. They know the issue. They understand full well what happens if we tell illegal immigrants or, say, terrorists or any criminal, right? Here are the places we won't go. Go hide there. Yeah. What's going to happen? Where are they going to hide?
SPEAKER 03 :
That's what they do. They go hide there.
SPEAKER 14 :
They're going to go straight to the hospitals and schools. Okay, so, John, where is probably the last place that you want a bunch of dangerous illegal aliens to be?
SPEAKER 03 :
Hospitals and schools. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Hello?
SPEAKER 03 :
The places they're advertising.
SPEAKER 14 :
What is the matter with these people?
SPEAKER 03 :
They have no brain, Andy. I'm sorry. They're brainless.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, we're going to go into those. We're going to go into churches. We're going to go into hospitals. We're going to go into schools. You know what? Those are the first places we're going to go in.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, keep in mind, Andy, and I've said this a lot about politicians, but I'll say the same thing about a lot of quote unquote. These are, by the way, not journalists. These are newscasters because they read a teleprompter and they they read what's literally fed to them.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's fair.
SPEAKER 03 :
So you're right. Bottom line, they are pretty brainless individuals that know how to speak and look good in front of camera. And to their credit, most of them do. Right. So I'll give credit where credit's due. But when it comes to thinking outside of the teleprompter and trying to make decisions even for themselves, I'm not sure most of them know what to do for dinner. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Do you think that they, because of that, are in a lot of trouble with J.D. Vance? I know this seems like an easy answer, but think about it for a moment. They have had a lot of politicians who have come down their way, like Mike Pence before, who they would give these scripted questions to and our guy would give these scripted answers to. We didn't have people who could think on their feet like this before. They're dealing with a whole different animal.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah, and this goes with what I was saying yesterday. I kind of ended yesterday's program talking about how – and I'm sorry, and I keep saying I'm sorry. Maybe I shouldn't say I'm sorry, but let me just say it this way. The reality is, by and large, not all – But it's probably down to less than 10 percent of politicians on any level. And, folks, I mean, you're left or right, left or right. And I'm talking left or right. I'm talking your local county city government mayors all the way up to president of the United States. The reality is only 10 percent or less. literally have a brain, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that. The majority of politicians are very unintelligent. I consider them low IQ people that for some reason or another have figured out a way to get elected. Somebody either convinced them or they thought it would be worth running. And yes, they're smart enough to be able to align themselves or be bought off by the right people to go ahead and get into office. But the reality is they're not very bright people. Meaning, Ann, Andy, when it comes to the interviews, they've been interviewing most of these unintelligent, non-bright people.
SPEAKER 14 :
They're not used to this.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, they're not used to people being smart in that role.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sorry, Andy, they're not.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's like another question Margaret Brennan, she asked J.D. Vance, you know, well, because he talks about somebody who came in and she says, and this guy committed violence later. And he says, look, he wasn't. You know, vet, vet. That's what he was talking about.
SPEAKER 03 :
The vetting of people. Right, right, right, right. He says people that no matter what this administration says, they're not vetted.
SPEAKER 14 :
She says people have been vetted. And he says, look, I don't think a lot of them have been vetted. And at one point she says, yes, but we don't know if he had been radicalized after he got here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And what does he say? Margaret, I don't care. I don't want him in my country.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, bottom line is I don't care. He wasn't vetted. It doesn't matter whether he was radicalized before, during, or after. The reality is he shouldn't be here.
SPEAKER 14 :
What the hell is the man doing here?
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he said.
SPEAKER 14 :
These people, I don't think they understand.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, they don't, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
And sooner or later, some Republicans are going to start... Because when they... A lot of these interviewers are throwing out basically this idea that, well, immigrants commit crimes at a lower percentage, a lower rate than American citizens. By the way, I'll bet that's true. You know why? They're hiding. Okay, so on average, I would assume that they are. But it's like, folks... Every crime by an immigrant, by an illegal immigrant, somebody who shouldn't be here, is added crime.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Because you wouldn't have had it otherwise.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Okay. I can't just erase all the murders that are going to be committed by American citizens. However, I can erase all the potential murders that are going to be committed by violent, illegal immigrants simply by removing them. Correct. OK, everything they do is added. Everything they steal is added theft. Everything everyone they kill is an added murder. Everyone they rape is an added rape. It's all added and it didn't have to be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Agree. So, again, I really feel like Andy and I it's funny you bring that up because I was talking about it last night before going off air and I talk about it quite often. Yeah. And I'll be quite frank for all of you listening. When I got into doing The Daily Show, because I did the weekend program for a long, long time, 20-plus years, 25 years now. So when I started doing The Daily Program, you know, one of the things that comes naturally with this particular position in the shows that we do and so on in talk radio is you interview and in some cases even promote people. And try to help some get elected. Right. A lot of politicians. It's part of what goes with this job. So right off the bat, Andy, and this is some 13 years ago or so, I started interviewing some of these politicians. And I'm new. I mean, I'm a newbie at that point. I don't have a degree in journalism. I've never been to college. Andy. I mean, I'm a business guy and had done even the Saturday show along the lines of car questions and helping people out with that and so on. And yeah, I'd met a few politicians along the way, but I'll be honest, I definitely wasn't immersed in it like I am now. So I didn't know a lot of these individuals. So these people would come in and some would be on the phone, some would come into the studio, and I would sit here and I would have these conversations with these individuals. And at that point, I'm a novice, Andy. I'm a green bean. I don't have the foggiest idea what I'm doing. I'll be the first one to say that. I mean, Yes, I knew business and I knew that end of things, but I didn't know their world very well. So I'm asking questions and learning and thinking, wow, these are people that I have a lot of respect for. They're running for office or they're currently in office. They're running for reelection. Unfortunately, though, Andy, for a lot of them, as they're walking out the door, I'm thinking to myself. They're not very bright. Right. And literally, I'm thinking to myself, these are not very bright people. And then I start meeting different leaders in our party and different things along those lines and start having those conversations. And once again, I'm thinking, these are people that know how to reiterate something over and over again. But when it comes to thinking for themselves, these are not bright people.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I was disappointed, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know. As you know, I debate a number of them online. Right. And you can always tell the ones who have to go get help. Talk to the party lawyer. Talk to whoever. Get a few of their team together because there are huge delays in their responses, even though they're right there. Right. And when they want to say something, boom, it's right there. And then you say, okay, what about this, this, this, and this? Three hours later.
SPEAKER 03 :
You get an answer.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and it's not because, well, they had to go shopping.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, it's because they're trying to find the right answer. Yeah, they're getting their team together. They're getting info fed to them, Andy. Let's say it that way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly, to try to put together a response. And you're just like, you know... Dude, why don't you just sit down and talk to me?
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm right here. Well, I already know that answer.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, they're afraid.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, they can't, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
They're not capable.
SPEAKER 03 :
They're not bright enough. I don't know what other word to use. They don't have enough IQ. They're not bright enough. They just can't do that in their setting, I guess you could say. They're just not capable of doing so.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And by the way, some are. Some are very capable.
SPEAKER 03 :
Some are brilliant.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I'm telling you what, man, they are refreshing. When you watch a DeSantis go to work with these, DeSantis may still, he is still, I think, even better than J.D. Well, it's about a tie. But he'll handle a bunch of reporters and their questions easily. He tears them limb from limb.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's amazing. And there are some politicians in Washington and probably in each individual state, and I could, you know, rattle some of those off. And by the way, we've got one that I interview quite often, you know, the head of the school districts, you know, head of public schools in, you know, Ryan Walters down in Oklahoma, you know, very, very smart, intelligent individual. Very bright guy. Very sharp. You talk about the Ted Cruz's of the world. You talk about J.D. Vance, and you talk about, as you just said a moment ago, Ron DeSantis and Jim Jordan. Yeah, there are some out there. Kelsey Gabbert. Very sharp. There are some really sharp individuals along those lines. Think about all of the politicians that are out there, even all the ones that are in D.C., whatever, 300 or so of them that are there, Andy. And again, I could get that down to about 30, maybe less, that are really sharp, intelligent people that are not just doing what their marching orders are. Well, I wish there were more. I wish there were, too. And this is something, by the way, back in our founding of the country.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, it wasn't that way, folks.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, they were sharp.
SPEAKER 03 :
It really was the best and the brightest of the country at that time that were really not only setting the foundation of this country, but then helping to run the country. And most of them felt it as a volunteer position. They would do it for a year or two, and in a lot of cases give up everything to go do that. They would go back into private life, and then the next person would come in and do that over again. And sadly, Andy— As time went on, and it probably really started accelerating, I believe, after the Civil War, things really started to turn a different direction. And I don't know exactly – I'm not a historian. I can't go back and tell you specifically what changed in – in the world of politics as to why less and less smart people ran. Well, I think it became more visual. It became more visual and became more of a burden to do so. A lot of really sharp business owners, for example, looked at that and said, why would I give up everything over here to go over here and literally be judged, my family be judged and live this miserable life? And that's what I think happened initially. Unfortunately, then it didn't become a miserable life. It became AOC who enters in a pauper and then shortly thereafter has several million dollars to her name. And that just keeps growing and growing and growing if you get my drift.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, yeah, I know. I mean, and let's look at all government officials. Fauci's worth 80 million. Oh, come on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, ridiculous.
SPEAKER 14 :
How?
SPEAKER 03 :
How? It's wrong. It shouldn't be that way, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
But anyway, getting back to my original question. Does J.D. Vance simply change the equation for these next four years on his own?
SPEAKER 03 :
In that office, absolutely he does.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because, I mean, the spin of the message coming out of the White House is going to be more him than Trump. He is going to be in far more of, it was just like during the campaign.
SPEAKER 03 :
He'll be more of the face of it for sure, yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
He did more interviews in the campaign than the other three candidates combined.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
And then you multiply it by two.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think they've got a real problem in trying to dominate the narrative when he's around.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, on top of that, and we can talk more about this throughout the show today, but on top of that, and we've talked about this a little bit on the roundtable that we record on Wednesdays, and that is the simple fact that mainstream media, the nightly news, weekend news, Sunday morning, and so on, television, I guess you could say, is continually losing its grip and its influence upon americans because a lot of people just aren't watching those things any longer they're getting their news from other places they're listening to am radio and folks like us they're going to social media and x and other places where they feel like they're getting a lot more unbiased opinion as to what's going on And they're getting a lot more education from those individuals than they are on the nightly, daily news and folks like The View and so on. So the reality is more and more of that, Andy, I think is going to continue to lose its grip, where at one point in time, let's face it, they did dominate. They had the grip on most Americans.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I think it's a lot harder, John, for like CNN to bully these candidates when CNN is looking around and seeing all their buddies laid off.
SPEAKER 03 :
I saw a notice today where I think, Charlie, you probably did as well. Several of the big networks right now are looking at massive layoffs because they know that their future doesn't look well. Telling you everything that we just said was correct, Andy. They don't have the same grip they once had.
SPEAKER 14 :
They're losing their current.
SPEAKER 03 :
They're losing it. And part of that is the progression of, you know, cutting the cable, cutting the cord, whatever you want to say. People are going online to get things. They're watching television shows that they like without commercials. They're doing all sorts of other things along those lines to where the networks themselves just aren't doing as well, financially speaking, because the viewership's not there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, of course, and it also came on the heels of losing their complete dominance of big tech. When Elon turned X, that changed things a lot because there was no big tech right-wing outlet really on big tech to counter what they were doing. So now when they put out a bunch of absolute nonsense, they get just swarmed under.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that's changing everything. It's not just because, by the way, Zuckerberg had a great revelation, spiritual awakening and turnaround. No, what Zuckerberg is looking at is, oh, wait a minute. If we don't change our end, that guy over there is going to continue to eat our lunch. Even though X is just breaking even right now, that won't be that way for long. And Elon knows that. And the reality is Elon has bigger plans with X besides just what he's doing there. That's a whole other topic probably for another day. But you're looking at folks like Google and Meta basically saying, oh, if we don't change our ways, we're going to get left in the dust.
SPEAKER 14 :
Big tech dominance protected the media dominance.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that's not there any longer.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that's why you're seeing layoffs inside of networks. And my prediction is you're going to see more of them. And by the way, if the networks were smart, this is a little bit of advice for them. I know they're not listening, but if they were smart, Andy, they would become more like X, become more relevant, quit having the bias that they've always had for the left. And if they do that, they might actually see a turnaround and actually have people watch them in the future.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, you mean like they could actually interview people like J.D. Vance and not debate him?
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct. Have an actual interview.
SPEAKER 14 :
Every single one of their interviews still is a debate.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Every interview with the right is a debate. Every interview with the left is an interview.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that's an old saying, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
And people don't like that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, there's an old saying, money talks. Even though the Marxist movement is huge and they're trying to shove a lot of these things down our throats, the reality is money still talks. And the people that are the heads of these particular entities that are watching these things fail as time goes on, one of two things will happen. They'll either totally collapse due to their Marxist roots. Right. Or they'll have to have an about face on that and change what they're doing and be more like what Elon's doing with X. Right. I agree. All right, we'll be back. We'll talk more about that plus other things. I've got a dumb idea, by the way, that we're going to talk about as soon as we come back. Oh, those are my favorite. And it's coming from our side, but it's a dumb idea. Veteran Windows and Doors is next. What's not a dumb idea is upgrading Windows and Doors and getting things dialed in when it comes to that. Talk to Dave today, by the way. The deal through the end of the week is 35% off Windows, 45% off Doors, and free installation. Talk to him today. Just go to klzradio.com and look for Veteran Windows.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. I told you a moment ago that I would come back with, in my opinion, one of the dumbest ideas ever. And yes, please let me explain. There are some individuals, more than one. And I go back to what I was talking about prior to this segment. But in this particular case, we have, and I don't know this gentleman. I don't know how smart he is or isn't. Well, I can already tell you he's not very smart. U.S. Representative Andy Ogles, who wants to amend the U.S. Constitution to allow a president who has not served consecutive terms in office to run for a third term. In other words, he wants Trump to actually run again. Again, I said dumb ideas, Andy. I said dumb ideas. This is one of them.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's the new Coke of political ideas. Donald Trump doesn't want to run again? And nor do we want him to. He picked a successor, and he's thrilled with him.
SPEAKER 03 :
And furthermore, we don't want to set this precedent moving forward as well. So, dumb idea.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's a ridiculous precedent. You don't want to set it. But don't people... I mean, look, guys... And it makes our side look dumb, by the way. Yeah, it makes us look like a cult. It makes us look like... We think that he is the only one. And meanwhile, Donald Trump is looking back at us saying, no, I'm not. I love Tom Homan. I love my vice president. I love Pam Bondi. I love this one, this one, this one.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm going to leave you with a nice legacy of individuals that will help you keep moving forward.
SPEAKER 14 :
We have so many on our side. Ron DeSantis is another one. We have so many on our side that are powerhouses. Right? I mean, obviously, bad precedent. I get it. But looking even past the idiocy of that. It's just a dumb idea. It's hard to look past the idiocy of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Dumb.
SPEAKER 14 :
But even looking past it, what I mean is this, John. We have the strongest bench I've ever seen in my life.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Why screw that up?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes. I mean, my gosh.
SPEAKER 03 :
Literally, why screw that up?
SPEAKER 14 :
A Vance DeSantis ticket, which is where I think we're headed, okay? And I don't know that. I don't know that. Hard to say. At this point, too early to know. Oh, yeah, totally. But if you were to say... Hey, Andy, right now, you want to put $20 on a ticket? Okay, well, that would be my most likely pick would be Vance DeSantis. But there are any combination of basically five or six different people. You could throw Rubio in there. You've got the governor of Virginia. You've got several others. Yeah, I think Noam would be a struggle, but...
SPEAKER 03 :
A lot of time between now and even when that decision gets made.
SPEAKER 14 :
At least the book thing would be much more in the past. And she's going to be dominant in her new role. Rubio, once again.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sharp guy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sharp guy, young enough guy, by the way, that if he just places cards right, could eventually be our first Latino president with no problem.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Well, that's the only problem we have right now is we have too many good ones. There's a ton. Vance DeSantis Rubio right there. You have three that are equally overwhelming. All three of them are basically unbeatable.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. So if I were them, by the way, and this is my advice, I know they don't listen, but my advice is, guys, keep doing your thing, keep learning, keep growing, and guess what? Your day will come. Yeah. Just keep growing, and your day will come.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, but Donald, first of all, bad president, but secondly, Donald doesn't want to run again. He's happy as can be.
SPEAKER 03 :
But Andy, again, I hate to say this, but this goes back to my point that we opened up with. politicians are not very smart people now because and i don't know this person i'm not trying to talk bad about him but I can tell you right now, this is a dumb idea. Don't put this out, Mr. Tennessean. He's from Tennessee. Again, don't know the person, but dumb idea.
SPEAKER 14 :
I like Tennessee. By the way, Tennessee is one of the fastest growing states in the country. I don't know if you know that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah. A lot of people in Colorado are going there, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, people are moving there by the droves. Okay, let me ask you this. You know, a lot of people are saying that Trump's got to act fast, act fast, act fast because he's only got two years because then we're going to lose the House.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you play your cards right, that's not necessarily the case.
SPEAKER 14 :
The way things are going, how sure are you that we're actually going to lose the House? I know midterms are rough on a president.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I know there are ways away and there's lots of things.
SPEAKER 14 :
But is this a different kind of thing?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it is right now. And if you look at even the – we talked about the networks earlier.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And this is where the left has got it so wrong. They're going after things that people are coming back and it's happening as we speak. We've got Hollywood stars that are coming out talking about how they feel so sorry for –
SPEAKER 14 :
immigrants and this that or the other and they're literally getting waylaid on social media for that response and people are basically saying you are clueless as to what's going on in this country exactly i mean john once again i think i mentioned this with you last week the uh democrats the reason the house is so close is because the democrats won all the late races in california no i do not i just don't trust california okay i think they cheat because they are california yeah but no doubt Okay, folks, California is surging rightward. There is no question, and that is not going to die off within two years. A lot of those close races could go back our way. We could claim, say, three House seats in Southern California that were close before. We could claim those, and that doesn't even take into account how many people around the country are thrilled that Donald Trump is getting rid of people who wanted to kill us. I don't know, man. I don't know that the midterms look that bad.
SPEAKER 03 :
By the way, I did look up a little bit really quick while you were talking about our friend Andy Ogles, which looks like he's done some good work. I'm sure he has. He's a part of the— Liberty Caucus? Yeah, and he's a part of the Laffer Institute at one point and so on. Great. But was one of the original 19 members to vote against Kevin McCarthy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, gosh. No, gosh.
SPEAKER 03 :
So what does that tell you, Andy? Dumb. Dumb. That kind of reiterates my point from earlier. Sorry.
SPEAKER 14 :
I watched Kevin McCarthy again this morning on Fox News, and he is wonderful. He is one of Trump's biggest advocates, by the way. And he is so eloquent. He is so good. And we got rid of him to try to put... Because of Matt Gaetz leading an uprising and losing us three House seats in the process. It's like, folks... You've got to have some strategy. You have to have some strategy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. How dumb. Again, not bright. It goes back to what I opened up the show with, and I'm not trying to be hard on politicians, but what I want you all to do is please start opening your eyes. This is part of the problem, and Andy, you're going to talk more about this throughout the show, part of the problem we have here locally in our Colorado GOP, is we have to start opening our eyes and really looking at the candidates themselves and what are we doing to win these particular seats. Because frankly, folks, here in Colorado especially, if we don't start taking a smarter approach with even the candidate themselves, male, female, if we don't start looking at that correctly and putting our best and brightest and sharpest in front, we are not going to win. And I'll tell you right now, over the course of the last decade plus that I've been on this program, We have not done that.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, we have not.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm just being straight up honest. We have not done that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Last question before we go to break. If your last name was Ogles, do you change it?
SPEAKER 03 :
Probably.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
And again, he might be a very nice gentleman. He's probably a great guy. Might be a great guy to sit and chat with. But when you do things like this and you put this out, you now just tainted, for a short time I know, but you've now tainted our party as being a cult. Yes. How do you look undumb when you do that? It's hard to. I mean, you look so dumb doing that. Unfortunately, we probably have some here in Colorado that would second his motion.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know. I guarantee it's the same people who want us to opt out of the open primary, no matter what.
SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back. And, Andy, let's close out with this. We've got plenty of time. No more commercials because I combined everything there just a moment ago. There are some things going on inside of our own state right now with our Colorado GOP. We'll talk more about that in hour two and three. But right now we have got our representatives, those that won in spite of our current GOP leadership. They have signed a letter basically telling Dave Williams and the leadership here that, hey, we as representatives of Colorado on a national level do not like the direction that you're headed when it comes to rewriting your bylaws and essentially having a smaller nucleus of people that now get to vote on and decide the future of the party. I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially what this letter says.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. The bottom line is this. Overwhelmingly, the state... candidates that we did get elected here in colorado they are all part of the state central committee which means they can vote on leadership each one come march getting a vote each one gets one vote and dave is proposing bylaws to where each group of them is only one vote okay collectively now get one right and uh basically what you want to do when you want to become a bigger fish Shrink the pond. Of course. Okay. And so he's trying to shrink the pond.
SPEAKER 03 :
You have to have a supporter so you yourself can retain power.
SPEAKER 14 :
And he's trying to shrink it specifically from the group that does not support him. The people are elected officials, Republican elected officials. There are a few who support him. Overwhelmingly, they don't. And by the way, those few he could he could probably select from them.
SPEAKER 03 :
The one that he knows he'd get the most votes from.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Real quick, on top of that, we've even got some local senators here in Colorado that have combined together to say, yeah, we support those representatives as well. So this is now coming from different sides. In other words, these letters to Dave and the leadership in the Colorado GOP, there is more of them now coming in saying, stop this nonsense.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, because it's a power grab.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is a naked power grab. Is it tomorrow or tomorrow night? The 30th? Yeah, I think so. Not tomorrow, Thursday. My bad. Today's only Tuesday. It's a complete power grab. It's a Zoom meeting on Thursday that Dave's put together to make this vote happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really quick here. So after a letter was put out by Lauren Boebert, Jeff Crank, Gabe Evans, Jeff Hurd, those are our four elected members of the House. They are the four highest elected members in the state of Colorado for the Republican Party. You with me? Okay. After saying those things, then they get shockingly personal. And this really shocked me with Boebert. OK, because she's part of the same Liberty wing that Dave Williams is part of. But here's what they said. Under Chairman Dave Williams, the Colorado GOP has been plagued by infighting and distractions that have undermined our ability to deliver for the people of Colorado. Instead of reaching out to successful candidates and their campaigns after the primary, OK, instead of reaching out to us, Chairman Williams refused to repair relationships and offer his support from subjective endorsements of candidates in primaries against the traditions of our party to proposing bylaw changes that shield leadership from accountability. His actions have repeatedly divided the party. Whoa. His actions have repeatedly divided the party. This is not the leadership our voters or activists deserve, and it is not the leadership that will help Republicans win in Colorado. Wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I asked Andy this question, and we're not going to get the answer now. I'll save this. We'll do this. We've got a special guest from Open the Books, John Hart, who is CEO of Open the Books. We'll talk to him first when we get into the 4 o'clock hour, and then I want Andy to give his insight onto a few things related to this because I asked Andy a moment ago during the break, and again, we'll talk about this, teasing you guys for this particular topic that we'll talk about later in the next hour, and that is who's really pulling the strings and running the The Colorado GOP, because as I've said in this earlier hour, earlier this hour, because I've talked to Dave Williams before. I have interviewed him prior to him becoming the Colorado GOP chair. He has not come on this program since because I don't think he. I don't think he feels strong enough that he can come on this program, whether I'm alone or with Andy together. I don't think he feels like he can debate us well enough so he won't come on this program. I've given that invitation so many times.
SPEAKER 01 :
It's been an open invitation.
SPEAKER 03 :
He will not come on and have this debate because, frankly, he can't debate us. That's my feeling on it. for several reasons. So my feeling with Dave is he's also one of these politicians that, frankly, just isn't super bright. I'm sorry. He is not behind even a lot of these rule changes. These things are coming from others on that end of the party, and I want Andy to give me what his thoughts are because I have some of my own thoughts on that as well. But for those of you listening that are hardcore on that side, huge Dave supporters, let me give you a little insight. Dave is not your leader. He is your puppet. He is not your leader.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I would think that Joe Altman is one of those leading the way. I don't know Dave. I do know that the people under him, Hope, Darcy, and Ann, none of them can debate. I do know that. They run from a debate faster than Carl Lewis. Right. Okay. And with Dave, I just don't know him. I know Joe Altman is very powerful in that group. I would think that the two at Rhino Watch... weigh heavily in that group. What are the names again?
SPEAKER 03 :
Chuck and Julie.
SPEAKER 14 :
Chuck and Julie. I would think Matt Arnold, who is now... Because Matt Arnold knows how to weaponize the legal system.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, Matt... And that is what they do constantly. And I will give credit where credit's due. Matt is not a low IQ individual. No. No, I don't... I don't agree with all of his approaches to things. And at one point in time, I had a lot of respect for Matt. I thought he was a pretty good patriot and did a lot of things for the state of Colorado. Those are not my views today, by the way. I don't see Matt that same way today.
SPEAKER 14 :
There are still a good number of issues. I'm sure I agree with Matt on them. Obviously, Second Amendment and so forth. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
But Matt's approach is not the way I would do things.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And there are some others... who we've interacted with before that we know of whose names I really shouldn't mention. Right. But who are the intelligentsia behind what Dave is doing to try to do this power grab? I would think it's pretty much that group. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
It's not Dave. Sorry, Dave's not sharp enough to think of these things on his own. And if somebody out there listening thinks they know this answer or they've been in these meetings and they know this is where this is coming from, I would love for you to either text or call me and tell me that's the case. But I'm guessing most of you probably don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we've got a few seconds to close. Dave says he wants to literally debate these four House members on these bylaws.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, right. How do you think that would go, John? With three of them, not so well. He might be able to debate one of them, and I'll talk about that more next hour as well. We'll come right back. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I'm a rich guy.