In this episode of Washington Watch, host Tony Perkins delves into several pressing issues facing the nation. We begin with the chilling news of federal charges against two Chinese nationals accused of attempting to smuggle a biological pathogen into the U.S., which has the potential to wreak havoc on our food supply. Congressman John McGuire shares insights on the situation and discusses the broader implications of China's actions against America. The episode transitions to an enlightening discussion on the U.S. Army's recent success in meeting recruitment goals, highlighting a cultural shift back to core military values. This success evidences the appeal of traditional patriotism and mission-focused training, in stark contrast to the previously emphasized social edicts. Moreover, there's significant attention given to the proposed nationwide school choice tax credit, exploring its potential to revolutionize educational opportunities in America. As the conversation unfolds, the focus shifts to President Trump's controversial 'one big, beautiful bill' with its fiscal policies under the microscope. Expert analysis is provided on the Congressional Budget Office's role and methodology, questioning its impartiality and impact. The discussion underscores a broader critique of how financial forecasts are shaping political agendas.
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Welcome to this June 4th edition of Washington Watch. Thanks so much for tuning in. Well, first up, federal prosecutors have charged two Chinese nationals with trying to smuggle a highly contagious livestock pathogen into the United States, an agent capable of devastating America's food supply. Congressman John McGuire of Virginia will join us with the latest on what Congress plans to do next. Meanwhile, after missing its annual recruiting targets three years in a row, the U.S. Army now claims it has already surpassed its FY 2025 goal with four months to spare. What changed? Well, here's a hint. Young men and women who want to defend freedom aren't flocking to pronoun training seminars. They're flocking to those institutions that want to train them to defend freedom. We'll dig into the numbers and the cultural sea change reshaping our nation's military. And on Capitol Hill, the Senate is taking up the reconciliation package, and tucked inside is a headline-grabbing provision, a nationwide school choice tax credit. It's a voucher initiative that allows parents to choose schools and private schools and homeschool options for their kids. Congressman Kevin Kiley from California joins us to explain how it works and whether it can survive the Senate. And Elon Musk isn't exactly smitten with President Trump's self-styled one big, beautiful bill. Musk took to X saying this massive, outrageous, pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. Well, at the center of the differing views of the one big, beautiful bill is a review of the bill by the Congressional Budget Office. And we're going to talk with Washington Stan's Mark Tapscott about the Congressional Budget Office, their scoring and their checkered forecasting record. All of that and more coming up on this edition of Washington Watch. Plus, let me remind you, have you taken the challenge? Beginning June the 11th, families across the country are joining FRC's 21-day Family Bible Challenge through the Gospel of Matthew. Daily readings, a study guide, kid-friendly activities, and weekly discussion questions will help every age engage with God's Word together. So if you'd like to take the challenge, text MATTHEW to 67742. That's MATTHEW to 67742. Well, yesterday, the FBI unveiled a set of charges against two Chinese nationals who allegedly attempted to smuggle a biological pathogen into the U.S. that would damage crops and cattle. Here to discuss this and more, Congressman John McGuire from Virginia. He serves on the House Armed Services Committee. He represents the 5th Congressional District of Virginia. Congressman, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
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Hey, thank you, Tony. It's good to be here. I tell you, China believes that everything can be used as a weapon and everything should be used as a weapon. I got to tell you, my goal, my number one goal in Congress is I'm a limited government. legislator, but I believe we have to keep our people safe at home and abroad. And we are less safe at home and abroad. If you look at the fentanyl overdose epidemic in our country, it's being produced in China, coming across our southern border, and poisoning the American people. And this is just another example of them. You've seen they hack into our technology, our military technology. They bring people here on a birth vacation so they go back to China, and they have dual citizenship. And this is another example of China going against the American people.
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Now, these two students coming in in Michigan, what do we know about motive thus far? What were they trying to do? Now, the news reports say that they were just wanting to do research in an educational institution. Do we know any more at this point?
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Well, we don't know any more about that, but we're certainly going to do an investigation. But this is egregious, and I think we know if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. And it's just a constant attack or danger to the American people in our interest. And so we've got to respond with tariffs, the intellectual property thefts, all those things. We have to stand up to China.
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And I think analyzing this, what we have, we have to determine the motives of these two individuals involved. We do have a track record with China trying to infiltrate this country, steal intellectual property. They're constantly at work attacking our infrastructure in different places. So we know that they have bad motives. And is this a further wake-up call, especially when you think in light of COVID? You know, and what came about as a result of that?
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Absolutely. We need a wake-up call. I cannot understand why people aren't banging pots and pans and making a lot of noise. In my district, you know, as a politician, we knock a lot of doors, and we have lots of conversations. I've knocked on six doors in my district where a mother or a father cried with me and prayed with me because their 18-, 19-, 20-year-old son or daughter is dead. because of fentanyl poisoning, for example. And I remember one was a big mansion, a larger home, and they were moving to South Carolina. So I asked them, I said, why are you guys moving to South Carolina? And they said, well, we're tired of being known as the family on the corner that lost our son to fentanyl poison. And when I knocked the next two doors, they reminded me that that house on the corner had an overdose death. And then I've also knocked on folks like a trailer where they don't have a lot of money. where a guy was just, you know, didn't have a lot of money. All he cared about was his son, and his son is dead. And so China seems to be coming after us in every single way. They're not fair in business. Like, they'll produce a product in China, an American product, during the day, and when that company closes its doors, they come in with another crew, and they use the same molds and the same equipment to produce a knockoff product. And so I love the idea of America first. I love it that President Trump is bringing manufacturing and supply chains back to the U.S. And I'm just all about that.
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Congressman McGuire, I know you've got to go here in just a moment, but I want to ask you about this. As a Navy veteran, you're a Navy SEAL, the Army surpassing its recruiting goal with four months left in the fiscal year. For the last three years, they haven't been able to meet it. I mean, this should not come as a surprise to people, but young men and women who want to fight for this country want to join the military, that that's their mission, not learning the right pronouns.
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Absolutely. You know, I love what Pete Hegsat says. No more climate change. No more transgender surgeries. We are here to make our military lethal so that we can protect the American people. And by the way, the Army is going to celebrate 250 years on June 14th. It's going to be a parade, and that's a history that needs to be told. And it's great for recruiting. And like you said, we've reached our recruiting numbers for the Army four months early, and we haven't even gotten into the most productive months for recruiting this year yet. So we're on the way. What a difference having President Trump in the White House makes. And by the way, if you're on a basketball team and you hate your basketball team, you're going to lose. America first. We have a great country. People need to be taught patriotism. Our Judeo-Christian values need to be taught. And we have an incredible country. And I don't know if you can make it, but I hope you'll make it to that parade.
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Final question for you, Congressman McGuire. You keep your—you're on the Armed Services Committee. You're a veteran of the Navy. You've seen what happens with the woke policies of the Biden administration, of the Obama administration. Can this be reprogrammed? Can we redo and fix the damage that has been done in these four years?
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Well, I got to tell you, as a sniper instructor in the Navy SEALs, if you would have hit me with a baseball bat, I would not have missed that shot. By the grace of God, we got President Trump back in the White House. And it didn't take him four years to secure that border. He did it in four weeks. And so I believe that God kind of—we weren't on the cliff. We were over the cliff. And I think the hand of God pulled us back over. But we've got work to do. But I know God's in control. God gets the last word. I have faith that we're going to turn this country around.
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Well, and we need to continue to pray, vote and stand for those who will do just that. Congressman John McGuire, always great to see you. Thanks so much for taking time to join us today. Thank you. And folks, I do want to encourage you because this is a question I often get as a as a Marine veteran. I have parents will ask me, you know, should I should I our kids join the military given what's happening? Of course, this is back more during the Biden and Obama years. I think it's just like when you send your kids to a public college. Well, I think we got to be careful where we send them. and prepare them to go. And I do think we need men and women of faith in our nation's military, because when you think about the power of the military, the lethal force that they have, we want men and women who know right from wrong. And so absolutely, yes, we should prepare our young people to go into every legitimate area of service and business in our country. But here's what we've got to do. We've got to continue to shape these policies that protect their rights to be who they are in terms of as believers, to exercise their religious freedom and not be punished, which is what we saw during the Biden administration, what we saw during the Obama administration, people being punished for their faith. In fact, I was on C-SPAN earlier this morning discussing this issue of religious freedom and what the Trump administration is doing with their religious freedom commission. And it's not about imposing religion on anyone. You can't do that. God doesn't do that. God gives us a choice. He gave Adam and Eve a choice in the garden, whether to love him and obey him or not. Unfortunately, they chose not to do it. And we're all paying the price for that. But we want to make sure that we have the freedom in this country, which is what religious freedom is, the freedom to live our lives according to our faith. And that includes in public service, it includes Congress, that includes state legislatures, it includes law enforcement, it includes military, whatever. We need to be free to do that. And General Boykin, the executive vice president here, founding member of Delta Force, we've talked about this many times over the years on this program. You've probably heard us. That the reason that the military was suffering in its recruiting numbers and its retention was because it had lost its focus and its mission. When it spent more time on training people to use the right pronouns and all of the DEI initiatives of the left, as opposed to being a lethal fighting force, why would you sign up for that? I wouldn't. I don't want to waste my time learning which pronouns to use. Now that the military is moving back to its mission to fight and to win America's wars when called upon, guess what? People are standing in line to join. And that's encouraging, because we have men and women, young men and women, doing what makes this nation different. And it shows really kind of the Judeo-Christian DNA that we have. As Jesus said, greater love have no one than to lay down his life for his friends. And that's what we see in this country. But it has to be a military that's focused And that's what President Trump and Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense are doing, reverting back to our nation's, our military's purpose to fight and to win America's war. This is something we've got to be very, very aware of. A lot of what is happening can be undone by the if we see if and when there is a Democratic administration, they can undo all of the good stuff that has happened here in just the last few months. So we've got to pray. We've got to pray for the change of heart, the spiritual foundation of this nation to turn while we have the freedom to do so. We need to vote to keep men and women and bring more into office that will stand for biblical truth and righteousness. And then right where you are, right where I am, the opportunities we have, we need to stand for that truth. All right, coming up next, President Trump's one big, beautiful bill contains a provision which would make school choice more accessible to parents across the nation. I'm going to speak with California Congressman Kevin Kiley on this very topic when we get back. So don't go away. More straight ahead. Hello, I'm Tony Perkins, and we're here in Jerusalem, the city of King David. And I'm excited to announce the launch of our Family Bible Challenge to read through the Gospel of Matthew. Now, this 21-day challenge begins on June the 11th, and it's a part of our Stand on the Word Bible reading plan. It's in bite-sized readings. 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BACK TO WASHINGTON WATCH. THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. ALL RIGHT. THE WOKENESS OF THE BIDEN ERA EDUCATION DEPARTMENT HAS FUELED THE DESIRE OF PARENTS TO SEEK SCHOOL CHOICE. AND IT'S NO SURPRISE TO SEE TUCKED IN PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, A PROVISION THAT CREATES A VOUCHER PROGRAM THAT FINANCES PRIVATE AND HOME SCHOOL EDUCATION. How exactly would it work? Well, here to discuss this, Congressman Kevin Kiley, who serves on the House Education Workforce Committee, where he's chairman of the subcommittee on early childhood, elementary and secondary education. He represents the third congressional district of California. Congressman Kiley, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
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Of course. Thanks for having me.
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So this is something you've actually been championing. You want to see the expansion of charter schools as well. Walk us through this provision that is, it appears to be modeled after legislation that started in Arizona back in, I think, 1997 by former Congressman Trent Franks. But it really takes private money to expand these opportunities for kids to private and homeschool education.
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That's correct. Exactly. So this is based on a bill that I sponsored called the ECCA, Educational Choice for Children Act. And the idea here is to catalyze a school choice revolution across the country and bring school choice even to states like mine, California, that have done everything they possibly can TO RESTRICT IT. SO THE BILL, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS NOW PART OF THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL OR H.R. 1 WHICH HAS PASSED THE HOUSE NOW AND WE EXPECT TO BE SIGNED INTO LAW BEFORE TOO LONG. WHAT IT DOES IS IT ESTABLISHES A credit for donations to scholarship-granting organizations. It's 100 percent tax credit. And so then these scholarship-granting organizations will use those funds to provide scholarships for students to attend a private school of their choice. It funds those credits up to the level of $5 billion that they can be claimed across the country. We estimate—and then it continues for four years—we estimate that'll mean getting $2 kids, a private school choice across the country. And then, as you mentioned, I'm also advocating for inclusion of a bill I've sponsored called the High Quality Charter School Act, which is going to do something similar for charter schools by potentially tripling the number of students attending charter schools nationwide.
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So this in particular helps states like yours in California that, unlike many of the red states that are adopting very similar provisions, as I mentioned, this first started in Arizona over 30 years, about 30 years ago. I introduced it when I was in the legislature in Louisiana, but back then we weren't quite at the point we are now. Louisiana has something very similar today. This, well, first I want to go to something that the critics say in the educational establishment. saying, it's taking dollars away from programs that would strengthen all schools, expand access to early childhood education, make sure that our kids have access to mental health counselors and to other mental health supports. How does providing opportunity for kids through private donations into these scholarship funds take anything away from other education?
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Well, it doesn't. In fact, it's just the opposite. And the idea that more money will improve student outcomes necessarily has been completely debunked. Under the Biden administration, we increased education spending by $200 billion, and yet student test scores have plummeted. There's been an inverse relationship. California spends a ton of money on education, and it has some of the worst outcomes in the country. What really does make a difference is giving families options and giving them and giving schools an incentive to offer a high quality product.
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So what they're afraid of is competition.
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That's right. Exactly. Well, they're afraid of it. But also what we see when the competition does occur is it actually lifts all boats because then the other schools in the area have to offer a higher quality product.
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Now, as a $5 billion cap, I mean, I think there's gonna be a lot of interest in this for, again, this is people who get, they get a tax deduction by giving money to these scholarship funds. Now, people would argue, well, that's money that people would pay taxes on. Yes, but we're improving education. We're improving the workforce. And we're doing it through the private sector. And we're not, this is not a government-created plan. These are private sector, private education. So, I mean, this looks like a win-win.
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Oh, absolutely. And, you know, when a child is being educated at a private school, then that's no longer a cost to the public school system either. So, you know, at the end of the day, what we're doing is we're allowing parents and families to have a greater amount of control over how their share of education spending is used. And it does it in a way that actually will have broad system-wide effects in terms of improving the quality of education for everyone.
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And it will—will this not? Correct me if I'm wrong, but as we go into states where we have failing education systems and we have students that their parents don't have the resources, this opens the door for them.
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Absolutely. Right now, we have private schools across the country, but only those who have means generally can attend them. But what this bill does is it opens that opportunity up to everyone. So the Democrats who are opposing this bill and calling it some sort of voucher system or claiming that it's harming the public education system, what they're really defending is making school choice the exclusive province of the wealthy. What we want to do is open up that opportunity to everyone.
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All right, so walk us through the legislative process. What are you hearing from members of the Senate? Is this a provision? You know, I know they've been kind of going through like a cafeteria line saying, I like this, I don't like this. What are they saying about this provision?
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Well, I haven't heard any opposition to it. I think that it's something that's broadly popular, at least within the Republican conference. As you noted earlier, it also can be used by homeschool families, and there's many millions of homeschool families across the country that we need to support, and everywhere we can. They've actually been, you know, under attack in states like like California, but actually out of COVID, homeschooling became more popular than ever. So I think the Senate is going to certainly have its say on many facets of this bill. But I think this is a provision that they'll want to protect. And indeed, what I want to see happen is them add the charter school part as well, which will provide a similar tax credit for starting up new charter schools that essentially replicate those that currently exist that are already getting great results.
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Congressman Kiley, we've just got a minute left. I know this morning the Department of Education held a hearing titled Examining the Policies and Priorities of the Department of Education. What was the top takeaway from the meeting?
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Well, the Democrats on the committee are very interested in defending the status quo. And the status quo is one of failure. It's one of where we've shoveled more and more and more money into the system. And student performance has gotten worse and worse and worse. The administration has proposed a number of reforms to reverse that trajectory. And so if the Democrats wanted to sort of disagree with the way that they're going about
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REFORMING OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT'S ONE THING BUT INSTEAD OF DOING THAT THEY SIMPLY JUST WANT TO DEFEND THE STATUS QUO WHICH TO ME IS UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF KIDS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE NOT GETTING THE EDUCATION THEY DESERVE IF WE KEEP DEFENDING THE STATUS QUO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GETTING THE SAME RESULTS IT IS TIME TO CHANGE THINGS CONGRESSMAN KYLIE THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US ALWAYS APPRECIATE LISTENING TO YOU OF COURSE THANKS FOR HAVING ME ALL RIGHT FOLKS DON'T GO AWAY MORE WASHINGTON WATCH RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Be sure and check out the website, TonyPerkins.com. Better yet, download the Stand Firm app. Lots of resources there for you, including access to Washington Stand. That is FRC's news and commentary from a biblical perspective. And it's important to have it because what we're going to talk about here, you can see it on the Washington Stand. Earlier today, the Congressional Budget Office released its projections on how much the one big, beautiful bill would grow the federal deficit. Now, the agency, the Congressional Budget Office, is supposed to be a nonpartisan federal agency. And they claim that the bill would grow the federal deficit by $2.4 trillion. But is the CBO actually nonpartisan in practice? And How are they coming up with these numbers? And what are the implications of any potential partisan bias in the agency in their projections? Well, here with analysis on this is Mark Tapscott, who is the Washington Stan Senior Congressional Analyst. Mark, welcome back to Washington Watch. Great to be here. So let's go back in history. Give us a one minute history of the Congressional Budget Office.
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It was started in 1974. It was intended by Congress to be the congressional equivalent of the Office of Management and Budget over in the Executive Branch and to provide scoring that would compete with, if you will, the Executive Branch projections. give Congress some independent information. Over the years, it has maintained a particular approach. It's called static scoring, to do their projections. They don't want to change that, even though, in the years since, we have developed a much more accurate form of projection called dynamic scoring. So, explain that. Well, with static scoring, you continually assume that the economy is going to basically stay the same. You cut taxes. We know that generally increases government revenues because people have more to spend. The economy grows. Under static scoring, you just assume that it's going to basically continue as it is. Tax cuts don't have an effect.
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that's why democrats love so it's almost like having something looking at it with simple interest versus compounding exactly exactly so given all the information the computer technology we have today the ai i mean when you look at trends over the years you can you could analyze to see what impact absolutely a tax cut would have in terms of growing the economy we have all that data available
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In 2017, when the first Trump tax cut was being debated, CBO said it would reduce government revenues. In fact, in just the two years after it took effect, it increased them very significantly. And that's typical of what happens. And that's what will happen again, most likely.
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So this is really I mean, this is not a minor issue. This is a quite significant issue. When you look at you have two people like I'm going to take, for instance, I just mentioned Elon Musk earlier, how he he now is out really saying this is a bad bill. People who voted for it did the wrong thing. And you got Trump, Mike Johnson and members of Congress saying, no, this is we're moving in the right direction. So they're looking at the same thing, but they see it from two different perspectives. In large part, it's because of the CBO score.
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My guess would be if Elon Musk took five minutes to look at the history of static versus dynamic, he would say, of all people, my gosh, what are you people saying? Of course it's going to have a positive impact from the tax cuts.
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And that's why, in fact, I'm going to play a clip in just a moment of the House Speaker on my weekend program this week on Capitol Hill talking about that in that looking at what is going to happen to the economy with the tax cuts, we're going to see growth, which means we're going to have more revenue coming in, which means the deficit goes down, which means the debt ultimately comes down.
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Right. In CBO's defense, I have to say, and I pointed this out in my story this morning, CBO is dependent upon Congress by congressional rule. They can only do dynamic scoring on a particular bill when they are specifically requested to do so. That could easily be taken care of with a new rule. So is it time to reevaluate how the CBO works? Absolutely. And there are calls, growing consensus outside of Congress and beginning to be picked up in Congress, to do exactly that, a top-to-bottom Doge-type audit. All right.
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Folks can see your piece at the Washington stand, right? Yes. We've got two minutes left, Mark Tapscott. Let me ask you this question. Let's talk about the bias. We see this in government. Is there an institutional bias in the CBO?
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There absolutely is. And the reason is because, as I think Speaker Johnson pointed out a couple of days ago, You have predominantly folks recruited to work at CBO who come from schools, Harvard, Yale, the establishment-type elite schools. And they all come in with a particular perspective. There was a study out from the American Accountability Foundation, Tom Jones, just out that says a number of the folks who work there on the staff are Democratic contributors. And if you've been here in D.C. for a long time, that doesn't surprise you.
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Well, it's kind of... You look at government as a whole. I mean, you look at government as a whole, most agencies, because most of career service people tend to be in that, come from that political alignment perspective.
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Yeah.
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So this is I would think, you know, I know the Congress has a big to do list, but this would certainly be up there for future is to to address the issues with CBO.
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I mean, if they don't do that, we're going to continue to have misunderstandings and Democrats are going to continue to be able to say it's a hammer. It's a hammer. Yeah.
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And it divides the the conservative needs to be fixed. Yeah. Mark Tapscott, always great to see you. Thanks so much for coming in today. Super. All right, folks, and you can actually see his piece again at the Washington Stand. Again, best way to get that is to have the Stand Firm app because you'll have it right there in the news feed and you'll hear from Mark and all the others. All right, don't go away. We're back after this.
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All right, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us. All right, our word for today comes from Nehemiah 9, where the people, freshly humbled by confession, rise to celebrate God's greatness. Stand up and bless the Lord, your God, from everlasting to everlasting. Blessed be your glorious name, exalted above all blessing and praise. You alone are the Lord. You made the heavens the highest heavens and all their host, the earth and everything on it, the sea and all that is in them. You preserve them all, and the host of heaven worships you. Their praise identifies four unshakable truths. God is God alone. God is the creator of all things. God is the sustainer of all things. God is the one to be worshipped. Now, notice the order. First, they magnified God, his character, his power, his exclusivity. Then, throughout the rest of the chapter, they recount his faithfulness across their history. Adoration precedes reflection, and praise reframes perspective. When we fix our eyes on who God really is, we can trust what God has done and what He will do. So begin your day the same way. Before rehearsing needs or failures, stand up, heart and voice, and bless the Lord from everlasting to everlasting. To join us on our journey through the Bible, text BIBLE to 67742. Well, Senate Republicans met earlier this afternoon. In fact, I think they're still meeting to discuss with President Trump his one big, beautiful bill kicking off what the GOP hopes will be a month long sprint that will end with the president's signature on July the 4th. Now, there's been a lot. That has been said over the last two weeks since it passed through the House. And they've got a lot to navigate through. And a key concern that's been expressed is that the need for more cuts. Well, before Congress returned this week, I discussed some of the more nuanced elements of the bill with House Speaker Mike Johnson on our weekend program this week on Capitol Hill. And because of all this being said today, in fact, I was on the Hill earlier today meeting with the speaker and others. I'd like to share part of that discussion with you before I go to our next guest. So here's part of that conversation from this weekend. This week, you laid out a way forward to kind of satisfy that appetite for cuts with codifying some of the the Doge recommendations.
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Yeah, that's right. And Stephen Miller in the White House and others have pointed out to some of the folks who said, why aren't more of the Doge cuts in the reconciliation package? You have to remember how the process works. Doge was looking at discretionary savings. There are two categories of federal spending. One is mandatory spending. One is discretionary. The reconciliation package is dealing with the first category, not the latter. So it was not POSSIBLE LITERALLY UNDER THE RULES OF THE SENATE FOR US TO PUT DOJ CUTS IN LARGE MEASURE IN THE RECONCILIATION PACKAGE. SO THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT. THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE SENDS TO US A RECISIONS PACKAGE, RECENDING, BASICALLY CLAWING back money that Congress had already appropriated but was misspent in a number of ways. We've been waiting on those calculations. It took a while to do it. Remember, I mean, there was no playbook for what Elon Musk and Doge were doing. They didn't have a set of procedures to follow. They had to create them as they went. So they had to qualify and then quantify, and now we're ready to codify the changes. So I'm heartened to know that On Tuesday of this next week, the White House will send us the first of what we believe will be several rescissions packages. And this one, everybody's heard by now, is more than $9 billion. And it goes after some of the fraud, waste and abuse. And I think that's a really important step.
SPEAKER 21 :
I think, as the White House has noted in this first rescissions package, we'll be looking at cuts to USAID as well as cuts to NPR and PBS.
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Yeah, that's right. And a lot of analysis has gone into this, and there's a lot of public scrutiny, rightfully, that has been applied to this. I mean, this is one of the things that's so revolutionary about what Doge has accomplished, what Elon accomplished with his efforts. And, you know, this week on Friday was his last day in office and in his position at Doge. But the work will go forward and continue, because what he's done is he's brought a spotlight— into these agencies, into these bureaucracies that we were never able to see. We got a perspective on it that Congress was never allowed because the bureaucracy was hiding so much data. I mean, Tony, we didn't know, obviously, that Congress was funding transgender operas in Peru and all these other crazy things that were happening under USAID. Elon found it because he cracked the code. He got inside the belly of the beast with his algorithms, and he uncovered it. And we've got to wipe it out. And so this is the first of many steps forward to bring more accountability and efficiency and effectiveness to government spending.
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Elon Musk's tenure as special government employee officially ended on Friday, and he announced his departure from the Department of Government Efficiency earlier in the week. But before he did, he did this interview last weekend with CBS.
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I was, like, disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, not just decrease it, and undermines the work that the Doge team is doing. I think a bill can be big or it can be beautiful, but I don't know if it can be both, my personal opinion.
SPEAKER 21 :
Mr. Speaker, can something be both big and beautiful? And, of course, I'm referring to legislation.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, of course it can. As soon as I saw that interview several days ago, I sent a long text message to my good friend Elon to explain to him and make sure that he understands that he was looking at analysis of the bill that was not accurate, right? Everybody's been talking about the CBO analysis in the Joint Tax Committee of our bill. CBO is historically inaccurate. It's run by Democrats. There was an analysis that came out a few weeks ago where it showed that 84 percent of the number crunchers at the Congressional Budget Office are partisan Democrats. They're donors to people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. They're not going to give us a fair score. But the important thing to remember about this is that they do not use dynamic scoring, they use static scoring. In layman's terms, all that means is they don't give us any credit for the growth. Tony, the big beautiful bill is going to be jet fuel to the U.S. economy. It is a pro-growth economy builder. It's going to lower tax rates, lower regulations, incentivize U.S. manufacturing again. When that happens, we know what will be the effect. We already did this in the first Trump administration, had the greatest economy in the history of the world after the first two years, because we cut taxes and cut regulations. Now we're doing it on steroids. So the tremendous growth that will be achieved by this is being totally discounted by CBO. They're saying it will add to the deficit. It's not true. By our calculations, we are going to reduce the deficit because of all the growth that we stimulated. Just watch and see. The critics are going to be wrong. And I want to make sure Elon understood that. This is not a spending bill, right?
SPEAKER 21 :
Look, and I understand that we've had a lot of challenges over the years with legacy media, but we still have challenges even with conservative platforms. I mean, Elon Musk has a huge platform when you look at X. And, you know, business and government doesn't. function the same way. Now, can we improve government? And I think you gave tremendous attaboys to him in the last segment in what DOGE has accomplished. But there is still an understanding that there are some aspects of government that just doesn't work like business.
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Well, that's right. And we ought to endeavor to try to make government work more like a business, but it's just simply two different animals. So we need to bring those principles to bear. We need to bring good financial stewardship. We need to restore fiscal sanity. Doge has taken us a long way in that direction, but that effort will continue. Republicans are in charge right now. We're the fiscal... conservatives, the fiscally responsible people, and we are going to whittle down the nation's debt and get us back on sound footing. But we've got to do it one step at a time. And, you know, I'm really proud of this product. And I think a lot of the analysis is completely off and it will be proven and shown to be true in the days ahead.
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All right. That was my conversation with House Speaker Mike Johnson over the weekend on my weekend program this week on Capitol Hill that airs on the Salem Radio Network. Well, at this very moment, as I mentioned a few moments ago, President Trump is meeting with Republican senators on the Finance Committee in an effort to rally more support for the big, beautiful bill in the Senate. Here with me now to discuss the president's involvement in the process and where things stand, Phil Wegman, the White House correspondent for Real Clear Politics. Phil, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us today.
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Thanks for having me and keep a close eye on the Senate Finance Committee because there's a number of Republicans, Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, and Susan Collins, if I'm not mistaken, who have already signaled their displeasure with this one big, beautiful bill. I would love to be a fly on the wall of that meeting between President Trump and that coalition today.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, I don't think you have to be a fly on the wall to hear some of the things coming out of the White House today, especially as it pertains to to Elon Musk's new opposition to the bill and probing. And in effect, I think Axios has reported on this. A lot of his opposition is now due to the to the actual cuts that are in the bill that cut the electric vehicle subsidies.
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and that is not something that is surprising fiscal hawks on capitol hill right now they know that elon musk has a business to run and of course like any business he would like a subsidy that benefits his bottom line but in this case they see this as someone stepping forward and giving them a bit of breathing room because what elon musk has done by calling this one big beautiful bill an abomination is he has slowed the steady drumbeat out of White House to pass this thing as quickly as possible. Those senators that I mentioned just a second ago, with the exception of Collins, who likely opposes this bill because of changes to Medicaid, they want to see a more fiscally conservative package at the end of all of this. And if you have Elon Musk, who very much was almost in sort of a bromance, that was the word of Sean Hannity of Fox News to describe Elon Musk and Donald Trump. You have someone who's so close to Donald Trump, a former senior White House official, now trashing the bill. Well, that gives them a bit more room to operate to try and make changes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, I think that bromance is over. There's a breakup that's coming there. So there's a time here, there's a timeline in which they're working on So far, they've met the deadlines. This one, I think, is going to be a little more of a challenge. They want it on the president's desk by the July 4th date. But there's also a backdrop here to the fiscal cliff that's coming with the debt ceiling. How's that going to factor in?
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That's right. It adds even more urgency to the work on Capitol Hill. And again, this is one of the deadlines that creates a sense of urgency that forces lawmakers to often take votes that they otherwise wouldn't. This is the way Washington, D.C. works. If you've ever been inside the Capitol around the holidays, people are generally trying to get out of the the District of Columbia right before Christmas. There's often a lot of these barriers, last minute votes. But this one, it's serious. It's a debt ceiling. The United States has to increase its borrowing authority. I think more than anything else, this is going to light a fire. under both Majority Leader Thune and Speaker Mike Johnson. But this is a delicate thing, right? I mean, we know what Donald Trump thinks. Donald Trump thinks that done is beautiful. He would love to see the House package passed today. Already, what we've seen from the White House, though, is they're open to different changes. But again, their argument to either chamber is, at the end of the day, this has to have the votes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, I mean, I would think that the White House is open to any type of negotiations. I mean, he is the master of negotiations. But, Phil, is it just me or it seems a little odd that. Here we have the Senate, which is typically historically not the most conservative body when it comes to fiscal issues, is actually pushing for a more stringent conservative line when it comes to the fiscal issues. I mean, as you said, the Finance Committee, watch them, because you've got Ron Johnson leading the charge there. And he's not alone. He's got enough. He's stated publicly. He has enough to stop this bill. They're actually trying to make it even more conservative in the cuts, which certainly I applaud. But that's going to be a headache, I think, for the speaker trying to get that back through the House.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's a bit ironic, isn't it? Because so often you see the House of Representatives respond to public pressure. They are elected every two years. The Senate is supposed to be the cooling chamber of Democratic fervor. And in this case, what we see from a lot of these Republican senators, at least Democrats, three or four at this point, I think there's half a dozen who have expressed qualms with the House version of the bill, is that they want to see more cuts. One issue that I think sort of exemplifies this is in order to get this bill across the finish line, House leadership had to allow for an increase in the state and local tax deduction something that Trump himself has previously called a handout to Democratic governors. This is something that primarily benefits states on the coast. That was something that the House speaker and his team had to come along on to get the votes of people like New York Representative Mike Lawler. In the Senate, though, there's not a lot of blue state senators who are Republicans. Instead, these are guys, many of whom who might have a bit of a Tea Party resume, and they are serious, and they have told their constituents that they're serious about getting rid of debt and deficits. And so that's why I actually think that this Elon Musk rebuke is more significant. We can question his motivations here, but I was talking to one Senate aide who told me, more than anything, This encourages us to lock in.
SPEAKER 21 :
So I think you're right. We have a separate conversation about what really prompted Elon to raise this. But it's a smokescreen. It's a cover for others to say, hey, wait a minute. Because Elon Musk has a huge platform to speak from. So a lot of people listen when he says things, might not know exactly what's behind it. But your point on the SALT, the state and local tax, that's a huge issue. As you've pointed out, that's what had to be increased to get those blue state Republicans in the House on board the bill who weren't really crazy about the Medicaid, you know, dialing that in when it came to the able-bodied. the Senate, that's not there. So, you know, any tweak that is made there in the Senate, you know, it's going to take some work to get it back through the House.
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Very true. And Speaker Mike Johnson has credibility when he goes to his counterpart, Leader Thune, and says, hey, this is a delicate balance. There's only so much give and take that I can endure here because the numbers are so razor thin in the House. But this is more than just a spending and tax bill. I think that this is a referendum on what the Republican Party actually wants to be. Are they going to be that party that doubles down on building a working class coalition? Or are we going to see them sort of make those appeals to blue collar voters, but in a more Tea Party vein? We're going to learn a lot about the nature of the Republican Party as this thing makes its way through.
SPEAKER 21 :
That's a really good observation, Phil. I think you're absolutely right. This is kind of a defining moment. uh phil wagman always great to see you thanks so much for taking time to come on the program today thank you sir all right phil wagman with real clear politics all right folks another reason to be praying we got a lot to pray about all right until next time i leave you with the encouraging words the apostle paul says when you've done everything you can do when you've prayed prepared and taken your stand by all means keep standing
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As anti-Christian sentiments rise, we discuss the FBI's deceitful practices and the brave whistleblowers challenging this injustice. Plus, we delve into the ongoing dangers of chemical abortion pills and the ACLJ's relentless fight for life. Guest experts share insights into how these issues intersect with national security and global freedom, highlighting ways to stand up against oppression and advocate for change.
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We have breaking news. The FBI uncovers more files that shows the scope of the Christians that were targeted.
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Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Seculo. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Welcome to Sekulow. You heard the man. The phone line's open 1-800-684-3110. And people are already calling in, Will. It's pretty crazy. I like it. They were ready. We'll see if that guy gets phone screened out. If he was already not knowing what we were going to talk about, but calling in, we'll see where we're going here today. It'd be great, though. We'll see. You may remember... For the last, what, couple years now? Yes. We've been talking about the targeting of Christians, specifically Catholics, by the FBI. And now Senator Grassley has sort of blown the roof off of it, if you will, showing that it was not some small group, as they've told us many times. This was just, and maybe it was accidentally targeting Christians and Catholics. Thousands, at least a thousand. Let's just start there. Let's go minimum of a thousand FBI agents were assigned to this.
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So here's the biggest problem. And this is the old political adage that the coverup is worse than the crime. And what we're seeing here is that Christopher Wray told Congress that this was a single product by a single field office. And we were fighting with then the Biden administration's DOJ and FBI with our FOIA. And we found out that was a lie. He lied to Congress. He said that it was a single field office, single product. I like you said that like a Maury Povich. Well, I was trying to channel my inner Maury. Yeah. And it was because we found out. We found out through FOIA that it was actually multiple field offices, including Milwaukee and Portland, as well as others that were working on this together with the goal of it being an FBI document, an FBI kind of doctrine that they would follow in this new way to spy on and target Christians. And then that seemed bad enough. But now Senator Grassley has unveiled more documents that he has obtained from the new FBI.
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You have to remind people because you think we've been saying so many issues with the FBI over the years that you forget that now there's a new team in charge. And even what Cash and Dan Bogino both said, which is actually some really good people inside of here that were being controlled by the higher ups.
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That's right. But here's the big problem. This was disseminated between analysts in 13 different field offices, agents in three different field offices, intelligence analysts, senior intelligence analysts in three different field offices. They viewed this product on Sentinel, which is kind of their secure way of passing work product around from the date the product was released online. on january 24th of 2023 through the day prior to it being leaked but it was also disseminated through email distribution to more than 1 000 individuals in the fbi on february 2nd 2023 and here's the biggest concern just over two years ago you're not talking about a very long time ago here's the biggest concern you're already talking about it by then No one of these over a thousand individuals contacted FBI with concerns, suggestions, or negative feedback related to the work product. The FBI only received positive input indicating the importance of further outreach and external dissemination of the intelligence to mitigate the threat posed.
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So now we have to respond to what do we do with this information? You got Chuck Grassley, spry 91 years old, coming out there and getting this information for us. So now what do we do? What can be done? CeCe Heil is going to be joining us later on in the broadcast, senior attorney here at the ACLJ. We're going to talk about that as well as a pro-life matter that we are involved in that you're not going to want to miss. That'll happen in segment three. Then later on in the broadcast, Jeff Balaban, that's the head of ACLJ Jerusalem. He's going to be joining us live as well. as we were going to discuss the attack in Colorado, what the future looks like for that as well, and how things are feeling in Israel right now. So you're not going to want to miss that. And all of these issues, you know, tie directly into what we do here at the ACLJ. Whether that is fighting for life, whether that is fighting against anti-Christian rhetoric that is happening and anti-Christian persecution that's happening in our country and around the world, you need to be part of the team right now. I'm going to ask you to donate today at ACLJ.org and become an ACLJ champion if you will. Do it right now as we're in the break. Let me know in the chat that you did it. Phone lines are open also. Give us a call. Welcome back to Secula. A bunch of you are joining us online. I encourage you to have it subscribed. Hit that subscribe button. It's very easy. So go ahead and do that. Join the over 488,000 people. that are on just our YouTube channel alone, plus all the people that are on Rumble, plus all the people on Facebook, the millions on Facebook, plus however many that are on X. I mean, so many people. Then a lot of people just go to aclj.org. A lot of you listen on the radio, watch online, or watch on a Salem News Channel, but I encourage you actually to get involved in the way that we do this show because the interactivity is very cool. You get to comment, you get to chat. Let me know in the chat right now, by the way, where you're watching from. I love to see that. I go through them during the breaks and just check in because people watch from all over the world. I think that's what the beauty of the internet is that we can reach all ends of the world. We're able to connect with people you never thought we'd be able to connect with because the work of the ACLJ goes beyond the borders of America, whether that's the ECLJ, the European Center, where my brother is right now, or maybe it is what's going on in our ACLJ Jerusalem office. Obviously, that cannot be any more important than what's happening right now in Israel, that we are there for them. And that is why the ACLJ is here. Look, I don't usually do this little pitch right off the top, but I did want to give you a moment to understand that all these topics we're talking about today whether that is this anti-Christian bias that was coming out of the FBI, where a thousand FBI staff were told to start investigating Christians. We know that this was a lie and a coverup that came from the FBI. And now Senator Grassley and other people have really blown the roof off, blown the lid off of it, saying, look at what this actually was. That is because we're able to be there as well. We're able to get these FOIA requests in. We're able to get our legal requests in. We're also able to expose what's happening through the media. And this media, again, has no borders. We can reach everyone, whether that is through a option like YouTube or even Rumble. Rumble, a free speech platform, they've been censored in certain places in certain countries, but we're able to reach a lot of different places because of our incredible media team. And I always like to shine a light on them because I feel like they don't get as much credit. You don't see them as much as they deserve because we wouldn't be able to do this show We wouldn't be able to put up all the incredible content we put out without them. And I want to hire the best of the best. I always say that, whether that's our legal team or our media team, we can't do that without you. So I encourage you to become an ACLJ champion today. That's someone that gives on a monthly basis. Automatically, it's real easy. Just go to ACLJ.org. When you're making a donation, just opt in. You can do that as little as $5 a month and go up for as high as you want. But Will, I didn't mean to do an ad pitch there. That's usually what I say for the end. But you know what? All of these issues...
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tie into the work that we do directly each and every day yesterday we're talking sharpie gate maybe not quite as direct oh i have a sharpie right here not sharpie gate that was an action auto pin gate different gate that's right pin different gate but what we see here from senator grassley as well as the work that we've done where we uncovered kind of that next step through our foia process he's actually found more documentation to see how widespread it was but we also just sent May 29th, just a few days ago, a brand new FOIA on this because we're realizing, and after discussions even with our team with Senator Grassley's office, that this was much broader, much more targeted than they told the American people. And so this new FOIA is... The purpose of this request is to investigate how and why religious organizations and Americans are under surveillance. So when you get a new FBI and you get great leaders like Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, We know there was a bunch of issues at the FBI under the Biden administration and even the deep state FBI under President Trump's first term that he was battling the entire four years. It took this change in leadership. So we know there's a lot of issues. And sometimes you need the external organizations like the ACLJ, like Congress, to point those leaders in the direction of the bad activity so that it can be fixed. Because I'll remind you, in Senator Grassley's revelation of this, The thousand individuals that received this, no one contacted with concerns, suggestions, or negative feedback related to the product. And what was in that product that they should have? Let's remind you. They were talking about that they believe that radical traditional Catholics interest is likely to increase over the next 12 to 24 months in the run up to the next general election cycle, complicating the overall threat picture while also creating new opportunities for mitigation efforts, new opportunities, spying. putting people in, observers, informants into churches. But then it also gets into why they think that these catalyzing events can happen, because they think that radical traditional Catholics have common cause, include legislation or judicial decisions in the areas such as abortion rights, immigration, affirmative action. so leading up to the election people that have beliefs and support conservative causes were seen as a terror threat to this fbi and over a thousand people got this and none of them gave negative feedback until a brave whistleblower came forward and we found out about it here's the thing that that person was very brave a brave whistleblower because look most people want to protect their jobs
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They're not necessarily going to come out there and not, you can assume that a good portion of them that even maybe felt that this wasn't right, were not willing to take this up higher in fear for their jobs. We've seen what they've done to even the whistleblowers, the ones that have been on, we've represented. They've made their life a living hell often. They've tortured them. They've pretty much said, we're holding up all your belongings. We're going to make your family suffer. This was not uncommon. This is what was happening. So you know what? You can say that a thousand people were told and no one said anything. One person did say something, but It is okay to also understand that your leadership was pushing a vibe in your office where you felt threatened and you didn't want to lose your job. A lot of people worked their whole lives to be at the FBI. At least we have Kash Patel and Dan Bongino now saying, you know what? Maybe we were a little bit wrong that not all these people were bad people that were there. There were some good people there. They were just scared for their careers. They weren't allowed to speak up. Free speech didn't exist within the FBI.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's right. And one other thing that we find out, and we'll play this bite to set this up, is this was Christopher Wray talking with Congressman Jim Jordan about this two years ago. Let's go ahead and play bite five.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, your FBI wrote a memo talking about radical traditional Catholics. I'm just wondering if you could define it for us.
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Well, what I can tell you is you're referring to the Richmond product, which was a single product by a single field office, which as soon as I found out about it, I was aghast and ordered it withdrawn and removed from FBI systems.
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One of the concerns that Senator Grassley has... What I wanted you to say is that was a lie. Oh, well, sorry, I already did that. You got a double publish. That was a lie. But in addition to that, what we also have is where he says, I ordered it withdrawn and removed from FBI systems. While that was appropriate to mitigate it being used as work product, one of the concerns Senator Grassley has is how it was removed from the systems may have hindered being able to get the information of how it began. Because when they took it off, it also took away the spreadsheet that logged who had accessed it. How it originated and things of that nature. So there is concern that whether on purpose or on trying to quickly cover up that this even existed, that it may have harmed the ability for the new FBI. to get to the bottom of the origin of it. And so Senator Grassley has a lot of things that he's asking for them to look into, pointing them in the direction, as well as with our new FOIA. This is how you help guide the leadership to points that are very, very necessary to get to the bottom of so we can protect the First Amendment, the freedom of association, the freedom of religion in this country that the FBI was targeting recently. with sending in informants, undercover agents, spying on Catholic churches in the lead up to an election. We know that James Comey's FBI interfered with an election and it looked like there were still bad actors in the FBI that were trying to do the very same thing in the 2024 election.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. You gave me an idea, Will. Yeah. I think we need to do like a Maury Povich style show on the deep state. Oh. Where you just sit there with like a card and what do you call the lie detector? Right. A polygraph. Polygraph test. Yeah. And we wire people up and then you get to just... That was a lot. I'm not trained in polygraph. Yeah, we can get you there. Okay. There's probably an online course for it. Probably a certificate I can get. Yeah. Or maybe there's a new version. Is there like an AI version that can tell? See, the problem is I think AI itself lies many times. Yeah, this is like a minority report issue here. Yeah, I don't like that. Hey, phone lines are open for you. I do want to hear from you. In the next segment, CeCe Heil is going to be joining us. We're not only going to be talking about this, but we're talking about some work that the ACLJ is doing, and you're really not going to want to miss it. So stay tuned for that. But we're going to continue this conversation going. We're going to also bring Jeff Balaban on from ACLJ Jerusalem, still continuing the coverage of what happened in Colorado, as well as how that impacts the war in Israel right now. And then we're going to take more calls and comments. So right now is a great time to get in line. If you've ever wanted to be on the air, I encourage you to do it. 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. Thousands of you are watching online right now. So maybe a few of you got some questions or comments. It's a great time to do it. Give us a call. Again, in the next segment, CeCe's going to be joining us, giving us an idea or giving us an update on what the ACLJ is doing. The reason I said idea, Will, someone said, I love that idea. You know what, Will? We're going into production. Here we go. That'll be our next fundraising drive. See how it turns out. I think people will get behind it. What do you think? Would you get behind, Will, doing a Maury Povich? I want to do like a Judge Judy kind of show. You would make a good Judge Judy. I know. And you would make a good Maury Povich.
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I need some salt and pepper in my hair, I feel like.
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Oh, it's come.
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Yes. It's come.
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All right, give us a call. We'll be right back with more on Sekulow, but I'm ready to hear from you. 1-800-684-3110. As I said, phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Great time to call. Get in line. Get part of the show. We really would love to hear from you. We got a whole second half hour coming up. So if you lose us on your local station after this break, know that you can find us live always. And you can listen later on on ACLJ.org, on YouTube, Rumble. We are live each and every day from 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern time. Of course, some of you listen in California. You know this is your morning drive. But some of you may lose us. Well, when I landed... in California last week because we also have the second half hour that takes people back home. But you can catch that one earlier if you listen live. Of course, that's at ACLJ.org. CeCe Heil, senior attorney here at the ACLJ, is in studio right now. We have talked about this case as our client, Zach Knotts. He was unlawfully arrested for one reason, and that was really that he was out there trying to convince people that they shouldn't have abortions. They should save the baby's lives. Again, out there as this is an ACLJ classic this is one that feels like we've done over and over and over again it is settled law in many ways but with the overturning of Dobbs or the overturning of Rowe through Dobbs there's obviously a lot of new stories that come out a lot of new issues that have now bubbled up right in the fight for life one of them now thankfully for Zach Knotts we're able to get that taken care of for him and his family that's right that's done yeah however The quote unquote law or whatever's on the books still stands. So the ACLJ is now taking it to the next step.
SPEAKER 02 :
Correct. So just to remind people what this case is about, we had a client in Ohio who was simply advocating for life outside of an abortion clinic. And just like Logan said, rightfully so, after Dobbs has come and gotten rid of kind of the bad Roe v. Wade legislation and court-imposed laws, there are other ways that this issue still bubbles up and the abortion distortion still comes to light. And this was a case of an unconstitutional... amplification law that's what it was and so our client was prosecuted under this unconstitutional law and we went all the way to trial and at trial the prosecution folded and dismissed all the charges so we won that for our client but what happens is that unconstitutional law is still on the books so we don't stop there now we have filed in federal court against this law and we are asking that there would be a declaration that the ordinance is unconstitutional that there would be an injunction preventing future discriminatory enforcement because that was another thing they had selective enforcement of this unconstitutional law that there would be compensation for the constitutional violations a return of seized property from our client And hopefully we will see justice again done and this bad law taken off the books and it will never be used again against someone who wants to simply advocate for life of the unborn in front of an abortion clinic in Ohio.
SPEAKER 06 :
A key point there is that we filed the lawsuit about a week ago, but then just yesterday we filed this preliminary injunction request asking the court basically so that Zach Knotts and others can move forward without fear of the city trying to do the exact same thing to him again while we fight the ordinance.
SPEAKER 04 :
This isn't someone who... who they arrest and he goes okay well i'm just going to be quiet now of course if you are this passionate this is what you care about you're not wanting to get out of jail free card if you will and go well now you know i got slapped on the wrist never again these guys want to be on the streets and doing this right absolutely and not only again we want it for them in this specific instance but the the bad law has to get off the books because not only can they come after our client again you have you know
SPEAKER 02 :
uh other different police enforcements or whatever they don't understand the law it's still on the books this can happen again it can happen to other people and that's the greatest thing about the aclj is when we come in and we win these cases for our clients we're winning it for everyone who wants to stand in front of an abortion clinic and advocate for life you have the constitutional right to do that within bounds i mean you can't
SPEAKER 04 :
Really, anyone that wants to be able to, if you say protest or make a demonstration or have any kind of public sidewalk style access is not only limited to... Now, obviously, the pro-life community has been a target for a lot of this, but it's not exclusive to that. If you're a Native American group that wants to go and protest the Atlanta Braves, whether you agree with it or disagree with it, you're allowed to do that.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's right. And we're standing up for the rights that the First Amendment protects. And we're doing that across the board for everyone.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is also an issue that ties into our fight for life here at the ACLJ and something we've actually worked on for a long time. And that is raising the issues of the danger of the abortion pill. So medication abortions, which are taking over a lot in many areas as the primary way that abortion is done. And we've been raising the issue of that the process wasn't followed for the FDA approval of this. Right. So we have been asking and advocating in many different ways that this be re-examined. And one of the ways recently is we just sent a letter, both to members of Congress, the secretary of HHS, RFK Jr., as well as the commissioner of the FDA, McCary. And we were asking, and our letter is titled, The Danger Abortion Drugs Pose to Women and Babies. Basically, All the work we've done, putting it back out front, there's a new administration and say, hey, you need to reexamine this. The FDA dropped the ball on something that does have very dangerous side effects to women that take these drugs. Yes. And what we've seen also is we've worked with Senator Hawley's office, who is working on legislation on this issue. And just yesterday, after our letter was sent in mid-May, as well as the advocacy Senator Hawley is doing, the commissioner of the FDA has put out a statement in reaction to that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, absolutely. So Mifeprestone is the chemical abortion pill. And just like you said, Will, absolutely, the majority of abortions happen by chemical abortions, over 60%. So this is absolutely something that needs to be regulated. We fought for that. And the approval process absolutely was gone, around, it's the abortion distortion again, and we have pointed out that with the mifeprestone, that it's actually 11% of women who have taken mifeprestone have had serious, serious side effects. We're talking about hemorrhage, emergency room visits, ectopic pregnancies, surgical abortions, and other complications. And what the drug says is they only have a 0.05% rate of adverse events, but it is well over 11%. And these facts and statistics have caused Secretary Kennedy to say that is an alarming, alarming revelation and we will investigate. And that's what the ACLJ does. We demand that and we are seeing action.
SPEAKER 06 :
Logan, this is now the second time that the HHS has responded directly because of the ACLJ's work. Our advocacy on this, sending the letter to the FDA, which falls under HHS, as well as the investigation HHS has opened into that hospital in New Mexico where our clients were told they were going to have to assist in abortions. HHS is doing it. They're taking action because of what our members are making happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
gotta give it to rfk and his group here i mean this is someone who was taking a lot of flack for being pretty pro-choice maybe a 100 pro-choice uh you know absolutionist if you will a couple years ago so i think there was obviously a concern that when he was uh you know assigned this that the life issue would not become something they've talked about but he actually has done what he said he was going to do took precedence from President Trump, but it seems like his eyes are being a bit opened to this. And you got to like that because now you have a group that is actually proceeding and protecting human life, not just the life of the unborn. Like you said, if 11% is having adverse side effects, including death, then we need to definitely take a look at what's going on here. Look, phone lines are open for you. We have a second half hour coming up, 1-800-684-3110. If we lose you here, I want to encourage you to support the work of the ACLJ. Like Will said, the HHS is using us as their source, and that means they're using you. You can be a part of it right now. Be an ACLJ champion. Give monthly at ACLJ.org. Scan the QR code you see on your screen. Second half hour coming up. Less than a minute break. Don't go anywhere.
SPEAKER 05 :
keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 04 :
Welcome to Sekulow, second half hour kicking off. If you're just now joining us, we're going to restate some of the top topics that we have been discussing today. CeCe Heil just joined us from the ACLJ legal team. Later on, we're going to be heading over to Jeff Balaban, the head of ACLJ Jerusalem, to get an update on the anti-Semitic attacks that happened over in Boulder, Colorado, and also the current state of affairs in Israel. Always good to check in with Jeff to know everything. What is going on? I do encourage you, though, to go listen that first half hour. If you didn't get to, we talked in the last segment. about the real health issues that are coming from what you could say the quote-unquote abortion pill, mythopristone, and the alarming new facts that are coming out of the HHS saying that 11%, 11% of people who took this medication had serious complications, including life-threatening complications. If you're listening to this, and look, you may be watching this show and going, I don't want to be judged. I don't want that. And we won't. We're actually looking for clients actively. We are looking for people. If you have taken this medication and it has caused significant side effects to you, again, we're not here to judge. We're not here to preach anything to you. But if you want to take action, all you need to do is go to aclj.org slash help. Fill out a simple form. You're going to be attached to a lawyer because we know that there's a lot of people this has harmed. And again, you don't have to come at this as now saying you're a pro-life activist. You don't need to come out and say, look, We're just talking about the pure medical issues that are coming from this. So go to aclj.org slash help again. No pressure, no shame. We're not doing anything like that on you. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. Of course, Will, we are also talking about the targeting of Christians, specifically what they call radical traditional Catholics, which no one can seem to define. And when you do define it, it just seems like people who are Catholics that believe in the Bible, Catholics that believe in really conservative Christian values. Evangelical Catholics, really.
SPEAKER 06 :
How dare they like the Latin mass, that they're traditional in some of the rites and liturgies that they even use. But in reality, the entire framing of the memo was about the election. They were concerned that groups like these would be energized. And for unexplained reasons, they tried to turn them into violent domestic extremists instead of just activists. active patriotic Americans. And they went so far as to start putting assets into churches, into parishes to try and spy or be informants or try to get information about this. And it wasn't as they told the American people and told Congress, which is a crime when you lie to Congress and, saying it was a single work product out of a single field office. In reality, it was a lot of field offices and it was thousands of FBI employees that had access to this and had it, as well as we know, that the terminology and phraseology from Chuck Grassley is what we're hearing. It bubbled up earlier than the Richmond memo, that it was this kind of theory that the FBI was working on in multiple FBI field offices. And you look at the type of crime that was prevalent during the Biden administration and the things that you heard about, what you weren't hearing about was catholics or christians going out and committing acts of terror of violent extremism but that's where they decided to put their resources and that's where they were getting over a thousand people on board and wanting this to be like fbi doctrine to go after conservative christians fortunately That memo has been rescinded. There's new leadership, but we can't stop because if you don't uncover it and find out where the root of it was and get rid of it, then it can regrow. And that's what we're doing. That's why we have our new FOIA out. That's why Senator Grassley is doing this. And that's why you stand with the ACLJ and make this happen. We know that you believe in this as much as we do, that the First Amendment is sacred and that the FBI doesn't need to be going into churches, spying, trying to figure out how they can get Catholics and Christians and silence their speech.
SPEAKER 04 :
What he said. Give us a call. We'll be back here in just a moment with Jeff Balaban from ACLJ Jerusalem. Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. We're going to head over now to Jeff Balaban, head of ACLJ Jerusalem. Again, a very important part of the ACLJ team, making sure that we have our presence in Israel. But also, it is when moments like this happen, Jeff, and You know, it's easy to get fired up and emotional. And if you saw my Monday show, I was in a pretty rough mental state. I think a lot of people were. A lot of Jewish community feels this way because there's always this justification. Boulder, Colorado happens. A terrorist attack happens on a peaceful demonstration. People that are out there saying, you know, just release the hostages, not even political. I even saw Joe Scarborough saying, you know, with Barry Weiss saying, you know, how ridiculous this is where we've gotten. You know, when you have even the liberal news saying, I can't believe where that we're going because like I said, I sent it to some of my friends. All they would have to respond, Jeff, all I would have to say is, man, that's so horrible. I'm praying for you, praying for your family, thinking about you guys. But no, I get always a two-page justification response. And it is the big problem that we are seeing here. It's always the Jewish community. And whenever this happens, it has shown that they are somehow, they can't get a hate crime. They can't get a terrorist attack because, you know, they'll give you a two-page explanation of why maybe it was deserved.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, listen, decades ago, a friend of mine points something out to me, and I've been seeing it's true ever since, which is when a Jew is attacked for being a Jew, anywhere in the world, it's always contextualized. There's always a reason. Any Jew anywhere... is somehow is responsible. I mean, there was this horrific machete attack in New York a few years ago, and they said, well, you know, it's because Orthodox Jews are moving into neighborhoods where they're not welcome, like it's their fault for moving in. Now, when two people are murdered in Washington, D.C., or this attack in Boulder, Colorado, the media contextualizes it. There's always a context. It's always because something's going on in Gaza. It's like, no, there's no context. Free Palestine, has always meant one thing. It's always meant kill Jews. That's what it means. Globalize the Intifada has always meant one thing. It means kill Jews. It doesn't mean anything else, except when they bring it to America, it also means, and by the way, while we're at it, let's also go after America, which you've seen on the streets as well. So this notion that we can contextualize it as though it's okay, as though every Jew somehow is a combatant. No, we're not. We're just people. And the world, the media treats us differently.
SPEAKER 06 :
And to that point, there was criticism to the FBI when they immediately called it a terrorist attack. When we saw the video, we knew the context. It wasn't necessary when someone is yelling the things he was yelling and using the tools of a terrorist – He was taking his own lessons and methodology, and he said he'd been planning for over a year, from the Intifada. He was carrying out the very slogans that we hear at Columbia, at Harvard, across the country on these college campuses. When they say globalize the Intifada, he didn't decide to change that into some theoretical thing. He took it literally, like we've warned about. And what did he do? He used the terrorist toolkit. of what Intifada means and carried that out in Colorado of all places. And that's what we see. And we also hear that he told the police that he wants, he would do it again and he wants to kill all Zionists. And that is even at this point, a broader call. If you include all Zionists, like you said, that includes Americans. It includes people that associate with supporting the Jewish people in the state of Israel at this point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Just having a state of Israel. Right. Not a political regime, not Netanyahu. That is just specifically saying anyone who thinks Israel should exist.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. By the way, that's right. Zionists has two meanings to these people, to the people who want to hurt us. It either means all Jews everywhere, no matter what their views are about the state of Israel, And or anyone who supports Israel. And in the case of the United States of America, the vast majority of people who support Israel, who consider themselves Zionists, are not Jewish. Jews are a tiny percentage of the population. And so this is a cry to violence. And we've seen this on campuses over and over again. You know, famously, the president of Washington, when he went to Washington, the president of Harvard, and was asked about genocide, he said, well, it depends on the context. Right. It's like, well, this is the context. The context is that it's open season on Jews and soon not just Jews, but any supporters of Israel. And we mean real violence, not just threats of violence. And we don't know. And it's the other problem we have now. Thank God there's a different administration. You know, the borders have been essentially opened for years and years in this country until Trump shut them down. We don't know how many tens of thousands of jihadis are in your state or your state. And this is another thing that we are working on at ACLJ. And one of the reasons back and forth between Washington and Jerusalem is because there's intelligence that needs to be shared in America with where a lot of these jihadis are. In the United States of America, sometimes it's a state-by-state set of meetings with various states that have concentrations of them. This is an ongoing problem we have in America. And now we're seeing it's ratcheting up in terms of violence. We have to be vigilant. America has to be vigilant. And thank God they're planning on deporting these people. And we have to look further at it in a proactive way to see what the threat is to Americans.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and I think to that very point, when people would call conservatives racist for wanting secure borders because we were anti-immigrant, it was the gaslighting of the population that would hear that and believe it. When in reality, we knew that. that there were people on the terror watch list from yemen that were coming across the southern border we knew that there were thousands and thousands of chinese nationals that were taking that route not for tourist visas but for nefarious reasons and when it was so open it wasn't just people coming here for a better life it was people that were able to get in the mix and able to cause uh jihad or terror or things of this nature or even the criminal gangs but even the the the immigration issue when you look at this this is a part of what conservatives and and people that are for a strong national security would be talking about this is someone who came on a tourist visa from egypt overstayed and then tried to use america's laws against her by trying to claim asylum someone who is a muslim brotherhood adherent from egypt would not really have a traditional asylum claim in the United States. He was part of the friendly crowd in Egypt. And yet he's trying to use the laws against us so he could plot an attack for over a year. And that is when we say our immigration system is broken. Because that is how it's being exploited. Because there is no vetting. There is no background checks of these people that are using the laws that we support. We support asylum claims. But the Constitution is not a suicide pact. And they are using our laws against us to come here and plan terror on American soil.
SPEAKER 03 :
100%. America is very much a nation of immigrants. America was founded by people fleeing oppression, religious oppression. America, it's sustained generation after generation for people who flee religious oppression. But we have to secure our borders first. You know, President Trump, when he ran from the beginning, in the first campaign, he always said he wants a big wall with a great, big, beautiful door. And everybody focused on the wall. No one listened to the door. And the answer is first you build the wall. First you tighten up our border security and know who we're letting in. Then you throw open the door because we want to have people who want to come and be Americans. But the people who want to come and subvert our society and to literally cause violence to our society, we have to stop it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Jeff, I appreciate you always coming on here. Like we got a couple of minutes still in this segment and I wanted to read, there was a statement that came out. I follow a lot of these like Zionist kind of accounts. And, and, uh, one of them is, uh, Eve Barlow, who is a language. I'll be honest is, uh, maybe not for Christian radio. Let's just say, uh, but she put, this was the day of the attack, uh, in Boulder said, congrats everyone. And this kind of reiterates, Will, what you were saying. Congrats everyone. The Infantata has now reached Boulder, Colorado, where Jews have been targeted in broad daylight with Molotov cocktails from the river to the sea. Palestine is free. So clearly kind of reiterating that same sentiment, Jeff, that if you are going to be saying these words, understand what they mean. And what they mean is not just we feel for people who are under oppression. Of course we do. We feel for people that are starving. Of course we do. We want to help those people. Absolutely. But that is not what you're saying. And that is not what it means. What it means is very clear. And we saw that on the streets of Boulder, Colorado. We saw that in the streets of Washington, D.C. And sadly, I have a feeling that's not the last time we're going to hear of it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I mean, I pray that you're wrong, but, you know, my heart tells me that you're right, that unless something miraculous happens immediately, there'll be more of these attacks. And, you know, and it's infected, not just, it comes out of this jihadi mindset that's come here to take advantage of us, but now you see it's affected the left, it's affected the universities where calls for this, globalizing the intifada, we've seen this over and over again in the cases we take, when we're advising faculty and students and dealing directly with universities, they have not yet understood, these are threats. These are incitements to violence and threats to violence. These are not calls for peace or humanitarian aid or anything. This is just violence. And that's why we do the work we do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Jeff, thank you so much for joining us today. And look, we've now heard from Jeff Balaban from ACLJ Jerusalem, from CeCe Heil, one of our senior attorneys. You obviously heard from Will and I. Now I want to hear from you. And I'm looking at our phone banks and we got a few open lines. You've got to have a response to what Jeff's got to say. You should have a response to what CeCe had to say. These are important issues. What do you think? Also, you can cover whatever's going on in the news. Maybe you have a question or comment for Will and I. We're happy to take it. 1-800-684-3110. And as you hear from Jeff, as you hear from CeCe, as you hear from us, you see the work the ACLJ is doing. Not just informing you, letting you know what's going on in the news. Of course, that's part of it. I think that's good. I think we should always be doing that. but also taking big action, whether that's legally, whether that's through the media. We are there on all these issues. It is happening because of people like you who support the works. Go to ACLJ.org. And like I said, give us a call right now to get on the air. Welcome back to Secula. We are going to take your phone calls at 1-800-684-3110. We got a few lines still open, so this is a great time to call. Again, 1-800-684-3110. Let's go ahead and go to Bobby, who's calling in New York. Listen in on the radio, Bobby. You're on the air.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hi, from Niagara Falls on the American side. Before I ask my question, Logan, I've noticed in the last year that you're a bit of a rascal, and I think that's cool, and I bet you give your mother and father a lot of laughs. But my question is, will there be justice in terms of the people involved in planning these things against Christians, and could there be indictments, and could these people be brought to justice? And that's my question.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, Bobby, I think all bets are off with this Department of Justice. They have pursued some investigations that many, I think, previous administrations and attorneys general may just be like, it's in the past, let's overlook it. You think about the investigation into Letitia James, as well as some of the other criminal referrals that have bubbled up. So at this point, I don't know. But I think that it could be something like a criminal referral from Congress against Christopher Wray for lying to Congress. And that is a crime. It is a crime to lie to Congress, but it's not one you see prosecuted very often. And so if a crime isn't prosecuted when it's clearly happened and everyone saw it and there's evidence it was not true, What is the point or what's the stop for anyone to continue to lie before Congress if when we see these egregious examples and no one is prosecuted for that? I don't know if it will happen, but I think that the Christopher Wray one is the most obvious, I think. The work product, I don't know what statutes specifically criminally may have been broken by doing that. that wouldn't be an area i'd be an expert on but normally a constitutional violation like that is when you you could sue the government to stop it now that it has been stopped it wouldn't be the individual agents that were criminally then charged so that that aspect of it i don't think it would be the line agents that would have some sort of criminal charges unless there was something
SPEAKER 04 :
blatantly criminally illegal violating a statute in that nature not just a constitutional violation which can be remedied uh and and hopefully is remedied at this point by the new administration yeah thank you bobby for calling and look well i'm a rascal i like that rascal king rascal logan that's right i give i give my parents a lot of i mean i'm almost 40 years old i have children of my own but i'm still razzing my parents yeah i mean yeah you know it's true All right, let's go to Craig. Thank you for calling on the Niagara Falls side. But Craig, in Maryland, you're on the air now. And hey, still, we've got enough time. If someone calls in right now, we could probably get one or two more calls. So 1-800-684-3110. Give me a call. Craig, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, sir. Just a little bit of pushback on the first segment about law enforcement when the targeting Christians, and I know we hear there's good men and women in law enforcement and FBI, and there are, but I'm just a little frustrated with there's... not enough pushback of people that see the injustice going on within that organization and not saying anything. And I was telling your call taker, I'm kind of reminded of where the,
SPEAKER 04 :
esters where the moses are where the people who are standing up even though it's going to cost them something well they exist look i want to make sure craig let me know we've represented these whistleblowers they are part of this but look i'm talking about the mass majority of people doesn't mean they're bad people because they're nervous for their job a lot of people have been working and they look a lot of maybe hopeful by the way that a administration change will come and these kind of things will get exposed. So it's okay to have that feeling, though.
SPEAKER 06 :
I do kind of sympathize and agree with Craig here that when we read this, that... More than a thousand individuals in the FBI received this on February 2nd, 2003. Sorry, 2023. And not one contacted FBI with concerns, suggestions, or negative feedback related to the product. That is a lot of people receiving this and not saying, are we certain there's not some constitutional violation we need to button up here, but that they only receive positive input and That is concerning, Craig, and I think that is why you hear from Dan Bongino and you hear from Kash Patel that it's been taking a while because they're having to get the right people for this reform team in, and then they can start reforming it. But that's a big concern to me because we do know the whistleblowers exist. We do know that the line agents that do good work exist. We know that clients of the ACLJ have had personal cost, large personal cost.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
For doing the right thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Large personal cost meaning, by the way, a financial ruin. Your home being essentially dismantled. Having all of your property seized and held for endless amounts of time, for an indeterminate amount of time. You had all of these issues that have come up from our whistleblowers, whether it was on this issue or other issues. It is not... uncommon to feel these threats because they're real.
SPEAKER 06 :
And not just having their pay suspended, but not allowed to seek another job. They kept them specifically in limbo. When you referenced torture earlier, it wasn't like the literal war crime torture. It was the type of torture where we're holding you in limbo, putting so much unbelievable pressure on your family so you'll cave.
SPEAKER 04 :
so that you will feel the pain of being a whistleblower and that's not okay nope that's right hey uh as we now head into the end of the show and look maybe if we can screen this one last call we'll see if we can get to it uh let's see if we can get to one more call in just a moment here but i do want to tell you support the work of the aclj it's very important right now we are In the summertime, I know sometimes, you know, you got a lot of other things going on. You're not thinking about it, but we could really use your support always. All right, we are going to go to the call. Are we good? Are we good? It went to green and then went to orange, so I wasn't sure. We ready? Okay, let's go to Martin who is calling in North Carolina. Martin, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, Will had mentioned a couple of times before in the caller just before the last one about accountability for the things going on. And I think we really need to pursue accountability because who is or what committee or what people are involved with making these decisions that the Christian church is terrorist, even going to begs to differ or begs to bring to mind that how did the military decide?
SPEAKER 06 :
that pro-lifers were terrorists martin this is actually one of the things that we are working on right now is to not only just expose that it happened but now get to that origin story that's right so one we know that senator grassley is saying he is urging director patel to continue producing records related to the richmond memo's origins as well as former fbi director ray's misleading and obstructive response to the grassley oversight of the memo But also the ACLJ is not just waiting around as well. We just sent out a new FOIA on May 29th. So just a few days ago, trying to get to the bottom of this as well. And the purpose of this request is to investigate how and why religious organizations and Americans are under surveillance. So when you stand with us, you stand with this work and getting to the bottom of it. And that's why when you support the ACLJ or you're a champion, you are a part of this very important work.
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In this gripping episode of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast, hosts Neal Boron, Bob Duco, and John Rush dive deep into the appalling terrorist attack in Boulder, Colorado, shedding light on the wider implications this event has on U.S. immigration policies and antisemitism. This sad event, marked by horrific violence against peaceful protestors, sets the stage for a broader discussion about the responsibilities of the media and political parties in addressing such deep-seated issues. John Rush shares his personal connection to the area, offering an insightful account of the societal fabric that may have led to this tragedy. The conversation doesn't stop there. The hosts tackle the complex landscape of political correctness as it plays out during Pride Month. The tendency to brush over antisemitic sentiments on college campuses is dissected, sparking a call to action for more stringent accountability. With sharp insights and candid commentary, the episode not only examines the horrors of hate-fueled crimes but also cautions against the complacency that allows these tragedies to repeat themselves. Throughout, the hosts stress the importance of steadfast support for organizations like Preborn, who are actively working to make impactful societal change.
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Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast as we're running full steam today. Neal Boron, Neal Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Myself, Bob Duco. Guys, how are you? Great, Bob.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, good, good. Well, this week, we're going to be talking about a few different things. Obviously, the Boulder, Colorado terrorist attack, this horrific thing of Molotov cocktails setting these Jews on fire. That's right in your backyard, John. We'll talk about that. Also, this is LGBTQ plus whatever Pride Month, right? which really all 12 months out of the year, let's face it, are gay and transgender celebration months. But this is a month when it's really put on steroids. And so we'll talk about a lot of different aspects surrounding that. And also Elon Musk. He's got a problem with Donald Trump's big, beautiful bill, but also he's done heading up Doge. And so overall, I would just say Elon Musk was a success or a failure in his time with Doge. So we've got a lot of things to talk about. But let's start with the Boulder, Colorado terrorist attack. Obviously, a horrific thing that took place. You've got this guy, this illegal alien, by the way, because he overstayed his visa. He was invited to come here on a tourist visa. Okay, fine. But he overstayed the tourist visa. So when he overstayed the tourist visa, at that moment, he is an illegal terrorist. People think the only way that illegals get here is just over the border in the middle of the night. No, sometimes they come in illegally on a tourist visa, and then they say, well, I'm just not going to leave now. I'll just stay, and I don't care when the end of it is. So that's what he did. He stayed. So how does the Biden administration respond? Hey, let's reward him by giving him a work visa and letting him stay here longer, even though he was illegal and he already broke the rules. So he's done with his work visa. Again, he decides, I'm not leaving. I'm not going anywhere. And we now know that it took over a year for him to plan, was plotting and planning to kill himself some Jews. He tried to get a gun and he was denied a gun permit. OK, so he obviously had the clear intention of wanting to execute. Jews as much as he could. Well, that didn't work out. So he goes online, YouTube, and researches how to make Molotov cocktails. And then he shows up at this peaceful Jewish event where, guess what? They were doing nothing more than calling for attention to a bunch of Jews being tortured and killed and held hostage by Hamas that they would be released. And And he throws these Molotov cocktails into the crowd, sets them on fire, including an 88-year-old woman who was a Holocaust survivor of all things. So this is pretty despicable. And, of course, he's screaming and yelling the very same kind of stuff that we hear these young Democrats on college campuses yelling, free Palestine and whatever. So this is an ugly thing. But, John, I got to throw this over to you. This is your own backyard, Boulder, Colorado. Give us your take and your analysis on all of this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that's my hometown, and even though this is probably one of the most liberal places on planet Earth, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that, and yes, that's where I grew up, and no, it wasn't that way to the extent that it is today when I grew up. So yeah, very familiar with, you know, this whole area, saw the, you know, ex-posts, I guess you could say, as soon as things started to happen, you know, things started rolling, especially in this area, because they were putting, you know, some things on lockdown and doing things along those lines, and it was funny that we didn't hear much about this, but you know, right off the bat, um, and I don't know how, how I found out about it, but you know, he basically used the Molotov cocktails and he had a backpack sprayer like you would use to, you know, weed sprayer basically that was full of gasoline that he was also using as a, as a flamethrower. And, you know, gosh, so many things to say, Bob, but I, I came out right away on Monday and said, you know what, all of those that are on the left, all of the news agencies that are on the left, uh, They've got blood on their hands because they are a part of the problem and why these things happen in the first place. They pacify these individuals. If anything, they promote what these individuals do, Bob. I mean, were they directly there doing what this guy did? Of course not. But did they, in my opinion, do they have a hand in what happened in Boulder, Colorado? They absolutely do. It's despicable. The left won't call it out like it is. They still, to this day, will not say exactly why this guy did what he did. And the reality is it's their entire mantra from the left and how they view things. as to why that happened in the first place.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Israel is evil. They don't have a right to exist from the river to the sea. I mean, and this guy's out there saying the same stuff that these kids on college campuses are chanting and being allowed to do it, and the Democrat Party staying silent on it the whole time. So look, John, I'm with you. Neil, what are some of your thoughts on this horrific terror attack?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I was shocked, saddened, not surprised in one sense, but shocked because it's the horror of it all. And one of our colleagues said that she actually witnessed one of the news agencies showing an individual being lit on fire. And you don't see that on television. you know, daily television on a regular basis. It's horrific. It shouldn't happen. There's George Brockler. You may know him, John, Colorado District Attorney. But he... elected official there and he said when you have taken the ongoing steps that our state government has taken over the past many years to identify yourselves to everyone both citizen and non-citizen alike that you're a sanctuary state and it doesn't matter if they ever say those words what matters is the policies in place and when you had put local law enforcement on its heels when it comes to trying to coordinate with immigration enforcement authorities you create an environment where someone feels like visa or no visa i can stay here and do whatever i want whether it's to try to find a job off the books or to plan for a terrorist act against Jews in Boulder. Yeah, I mean, it shouldn't happen. This is exactly why it happens.
SPEAKER 03 :
Really quick, Neil, along those lines, because you guys probably haven't seen this because you're not as local. So there was a statement that was put out by the Boulder County commissioners. The Department of Homeland Security website makes baseless claims without providing details. It uses inflammatory language likely designed to scare people and turn communities against one another. It describes human beings as illegal or criminal aliens, which robs people of their humanity. The Trump administration will not be successful in robbing the Boulder County commissioners or Boulder County residents of our empathy. If being a sanctuary jurisdiction means that we support the due process of law and human rights, then we are proud of that moniker. To your point, Neil.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow. Let's find a way to spin this around and make this Trump and the Republicans' fault for referring to an illegal alien as an illegal alien. Wow. Never mind the fact you've got eight Jews that are burning, including a Holocaust survivor.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I said this yesterday on my program too, guys. This is what's so ironic about all of this. You've got the entire left that, in a lot of ways, I mean, are they giving this guy a pass? Maybe not a pass, but are they talking about it in the same way that we are? Of course they're not. And here's what's so ironic. Their own is attacking their own. And let me explain. The majority of those people in that march, because I lived in Boulder. I still got some property in Boulder and so on. I know the area very, very, very well. Like the back of my hand, let's say. I've lived here in this area my entire life. And so my point is, I know the people of that town. I know the majority of those folks that are there. And I can almost guarantee you that at least 80 percent of those people marching, if not 100 percent of them are from the left guys. So you're attacking your own is my point. Absolutely.
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SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And by the way, that young man who was killed outside the Jewish museum a couple weeks ago, he was a Messianic Jew. He accepted Yeshua, Jesus as Messiah. Wow. And so – but you know what? You're absolutely right. And if you look at the horrific details there, I mean that gunman, he executed them in cold blood. And the woman, she was trying to crawl away as he was reloading and then just – shot her again and then stood over top of their dead bodies and was continuing to shoot bullets down into them. This is hatred. This is true hatred that some people have for Jewish people to this level. And we're watching this hatred be allowed to be put on public display at Harvard University and other college campuses around the country. And I'll tell you what, I'm glad to see that Donald Trump is cracking down on these colleges. I'm glad to see that he took $3 billion in money allocated for Harvard and saying, forget that. We're relocating that, reallocating that over to some trade schools until you guys start cleaning up your act.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it's got to stop somewhere, and the remedy has to start somewhere. Somebody has to stand up and say that it's wrong, and I totally applaud our president right now for having the guts to do it. You know, standing up against institutions like Harvard is not easy. These are entrenched institutions. You know, people have a certain amount of reverence for these schools, but when you stop and look at what's really going on in college campuses around the country, I think America's beginning to wake up and saying, what are we funding? How in the world is this kind of thing allowed? And we're putting, you know, innocent citizens in harm's way. What's really baffling to me though, is I got to believe that over the last hundred years, some of the major donors to schools like Harvard university have been Jewish, Jewish graduates who went on to become doctors and brain surgeons and whatever. So I don't know in one sense if they're shooting themselves in the foot just along those lines, but it doesn't matter. You know, that kind of hate against any individual group simply because they happen to be Jewish absolutely has to stop. And what, we learned nothing from the Holocaust? That's exactly what the Holocaust was about.
SPEAKER 03 :
So keep in mind, guys, that in a lot of the school systems out there, colleges included, they want to wipe the Holocaust off. They want people to believe that it never happened. There's a certain amount of individuals out there that would tell you that even the pictures and things that you see are all fabricated, that it never took place. I mean, it's just utter nonsense, but we're allowing these things to happen. And if we continue to do it, these are the results that we get.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and you know what? On these college campuses, they claim that, well, we have to respect and protect free speech. That's nonsense because I guarantee you if there was a rally of just two people, let alone 200, if there was a rally of two people holding up signs saying that a man who thinks he's a woman is still a man, OK, boys or boys, girls or girls or whatever, that would be shut down instantly. So it's just it's nonsense that they're being champions of free speech. But I got to ask you guys about the Democrat Party, too. I mean, get all political here. And, John, I'm curious to get your take on this. You know, I think about how the Democrat Party will not come out and forcefully, strongly condemn the anti-Semitism on these college campuses. And you know why? And this is something Democrats have to deal with. Because the anti-Semitic Jews deserve to die wing of the Democrat Party is a large enough voting block. It's a big enough piece of their pie that they can't risk alienating them. Now, we've heard people say all the time that, well, on the right, you know, the KKK, they tend to vote Republican. OK, this is such a tiny sliver of of any kind of GOP vote that may possibly exist, such a tiny sliver, that guess what? Donald Trump can come out and say, KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, you guys are evil, you're repugnant, you violate everything we stand for as Americans. There's a montage of 22 different times where Trump is calling these people out by name, okay? So he can do that. Republicans can do that. You know why? Because the tiny fringe neo-Nazi wing out there that might vote Republican. They are such a tiny sliver. They do not represent the GOP. And the Republicans don't need their vote. We don't need a single one of their votes. But Democrats do need that big piece of the pie that is the anti-Semitic wing of the Democrat Party.
SPEAKER 03 :
That and, Bob, the difference also is we wouldn't care on our side if they were a larger voting bloc. Wrong is wrong is wrong. We would be calling them out no matter what, even if they were a larger faction. To your point, they're not. But the reality is I believe in my heart that even if they were, guys like us three for sure, I even believe Donald Trump would still be calling them out for the wrong that it is. The reality is wrong is wrong, and it doesn't matter the voting bloc. But to your point, yes, because they're so now – And I do believe there's a lot of weak republicans don't have to be afraid of it.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's my republicans don't have to be afraid of it. But Democrats, that's exactly right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And to your point, there is a large not voting bloc even, Bob, just a large portion of Democrats that believe in this utter nonsense of what's being pushed around now. not just on college campuses. I see it on social media. I see it in other places. And by the way, I have been one where I have seen some conservatives, quote unquote, even say something along the lines of, you know, free Hamas and this, that and the other. And, you know, I watch online not only myself, but others that chime right in and say, are you absolutely nuts? Have you lost your mind? Do you live in an alternate reality? You have no idea what you're talking about and don't even know the history of what's going on there.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, let me just throw something in. I happened to see in the news this week, you guys probably did as well, in Kentucky, a state senator there, Robin Webb, had... been a democrat and switched to the republican party now she was describing the fact that years ago you know she kind of grew up in rural kentucky and there's conservative values and she votes conservative on a lot of different issues because she's a relatively conservative person but that it was kind of like a family thing to be democrat but she ultimately said look what this party has become i can no longer identify with i'm becoming a republican so she switched parties why am i saying that because you know going back to just a year and a half ago, prior to Trump 47, I had people saying to me, sometimes even on the air, well, look, I just can't vote for Trump. Joe Biden speaks to people with some sense of dignity. Trump, he calls them names and everything. He's not a very nice guy. And honestly, I don't like the way Donald Trump talks to people either all the time. There are times when I'm like, Come on, man. Can you just back it down a little bit and act like a, you know, refined, dignified person? He he blurts out what's on his mind. And and but, you know. You look at the platform and ultimately what the party stands for and will not tolerate versus what is embedded in the Democrat mindset. Good Lord, people wake up just because a guy seems to, quote, speak more eloquently or more kindly. Do you have any idea what that individual was representing? Of course, later it became Kamala Harris. We get all that, but... Think about it. Think about what people are overlooking just because they don't like the fact that Donald Trump sometimes offends people with his words. John, you're right. We've got to put our thinking cap on and take an honest, educated look at what's actually happening and understand what's going on in our country.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is an issue that the Democrat Party has got to deal with.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they're struggling. Really quick, Bob, this is probably a future, you know, maybe podcast topic in and of itself, but they're divided. I was reading an article this morning. Apple News had something about, you know, is there a civil, you know, quote unquote, civil war coming inside the Democrat Party? Because to your point, what you brought up a moment ago, they have some distinct differences from one side to the other right now.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And there are moderate Democrats who are not anti-Semitic. So we're not saying that this is a thing throughout the entire Democrat Party. But this particular branch, this wing of the Democrat Party, the anti-Semitic from the river to the sea, the sympathizers of that – is way larger of a percentage for the Democrat Party that they can't afford to risk alienating that group of people. And that tells me that there's something really, really wrong.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they happen to be the loudest. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's right. That's right. By the way, I don't know if you've seen this or not, that AOC and Ilhan Omar now trying to make it look like – putting out statements going, oh, this violence is so horrible and we condemn that. Our hearts go out to the Jewish community. I am not buying it at all. AOC – and this is insane to think, but AOC is actually being talked about as the 2028 presidential candidate.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, unbelievable.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. AOC, who let's be honest, she is not the brightest bulb in the room.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, no, she is not.
SPEAKER 06 :
Both of her chopsticks are not in the chow mein. And yet this is somebody that some on the left are propping her up as maybe going 2028. And so I think she realizes now and her handlers are telling her. all right, you got to start getting yourself on the record so that you can give some pro-Jewish quotes when things like this happen. Well, guess what? Nobody's going to forget or get amnesia to the things that she said about Jews leading up to this. Her and the rest of the squad that will be rallying around her in 2028. That's the only reason they're trying to do damage control right now. This is C-Y-R-E. Cover your rear end, plain and simple. Yep. So... Don't fall for it. Anyway, listen, we've got a lot more to talk about on this podcast, certainly in the second half. In the meantime, we do want to ask you folks, again, support our sponsors. We want you supporting SunPowerLED. We want you supporting Preborn. And by the way, it's a great thing to do. I mean, saving babies' lives is is phenomenal. And you can actually do that if you'll pay for ultrasound images. It's really that simple, folks. When a woman in a pro-life center sees an ultrasound image of her baby, that's very often the first time she's ever seen what her baby looks like. And she realizes this is not some blob of tissue. This is a baby sucking his thumb. No, I'm not going to go across the street to Planned Parenthood. I'm So pro-life centers do this every day. Preborn has ultrasound machines in pro-life centers, but not all of them. And even the ones that do, it takes money to activate these ultrasound machines. So that's where you folks come in. We're asking you to pay for the ultrasound images. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to save one baby's life, to stop one abortion. So pray about a number of abortions you'll be willing to stop, maybe this year, 2025. Maybe you gave last year and you haven't given again in a while. Do it now. Take $28 times fill in the blank. Whatever that number is, that's your forever legacy of the amount of abortions you're stopping. And hey, we need some of you to buy ultrasound machines. They're 15 grand a piece, nice tax write-off for you, but you get to know you're stopping thousands of abortions. So whether you're buying an ultrasound machine or paying for an individual number, 100% of what you give goes to the ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. That's all covered by private donors. So do it now. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn. You can give right there or just call 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY. Mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. And, you know, Neil, when they go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, you know what else they can do? They can click on SunPowerLED and really get themselves out of pain and help themselves a lot in a completely natural way with this red light therapy.
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We appreciate you folks supporting our sponsors. We do very much. And so I want to let you know, coming up in the second half of the podcast, we're going to be talking about the LGBT Pride Month thing that's going on all in June and a lot of different aspects of that to discuss. We'll also discuss Elon Musk's time at Doge. Was that a success or not? And what about his criticisms of the Big Beautiful Bill? So all of that's coming up. But as we wind down the first half of of this podcast. Of course, we've been talking about the terrorist attack in Boulder, Colorado. And at some point, and guys, I guess just a final thought on this, at some point, it does seem like the Democrat Party is going to have to address this issue and decide, are we going to be branded as the Are we going to be willing to weed the anti-Semites out of our ranks and condemn them forcefully? All I'm waiting for, honestly, guys, John, I'm just waiting to see some Democrat, a mainstream Democrat, a Chuck Schumer, somebody like that, who's actually – Hakeem Jeffries, who's actually willing to stand up and say – We, as a Democrat Party, absolutely condemn any kind of anti-Semitic comments at college campuses, and we're going to censure any members of our House that refuse to call this out and condemn this because that is evil and wrong. Will they do that at some—I mean, what do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
Nope.
SPEAKER 06 :
Do you think Hakeem Jeffries, anybody's going to do that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Nope, not going to happen because they're—I believe, Bob, that there's far too many of them that don't believe in it, so no, they're not going to talk against it.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Well, I tend to agree with you, unfortunately. And what a coward given that Chuck Schumer is Jewish.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's exactly right.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know what? It's very, very true. Good point. All right. That's the first half. We've got the second half coming up. We appreciate you folks listening to us. We appreciate your five-star reviews. And more with Neil and John and myself coming up next in the second half of this National Crawford Roundtable podcast.
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SPEAKER 06 :
Continuing the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with all of the guys. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Neil Boron, Neil Boron, live out of Buffalo, New York. Myself, Bob Duco, the Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. All right, so this second half, guys, it's the month of June. So, John, I know you're wearing your rainbow hat.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, uh-huh. Really quick, just a side note, too. I'm glad you're going to talk about this because I'm also one of these individuals where, And I don't care what it's for. And I get it. We have sort of this national awareness on different months for all sorts of things. But, Bob, I am one of those where, you know... Every day is a new day. Everything that we go through and do, in my opinion, should be celebrated. Not this, but the other things that we talk about. I mean, do we need a women's month? Do we need a LGBT month? Do we need this? Do we need that? I look at some of these at times and I'm just like, why? We don't need one. We don't need some sort of celebration every single month anyway. Stop. Stop.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Well, hey, look, I appreciate – I couldn't agree with you more. But this is clearly a thing where the whole LGBT agenda and transgenderism and whatever, this is already being celebrated all across the country. This just gives an opportunity for the leftists to pour lighter fluid on this whole movement and to take – gender confusing our children with drag queens to put that on steroids for a month and then just go back to normal for the other 11 months out of the year. So it is unfortunate. But one of the things I'm curious to talk with you guys about, though, is first of all, we have seen some corporations... Pulling back. There's a little bit of dialing back from some of them. Target stores, for example. You may recall that a couple of years ago, Target stores went so all in for the month of June that they had their stores create these huge LGBT rainbow displays that had to be placed in the front of the store so any moms with their children had no choice but to walk through them. They were even selling tuck-friendly swimsuits for That were also available in children's sizes. That's right. And so you have to – What does that mean, Bob? What exactly is that? You don't really want me to – for the – I don't know if you've ever seen – You don't want to know, Neil.
SPEAKER 03 :
You don't want to know. No. You don't want to know.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, yeah. For the boy who wants to think he's a girl and he wants to – When wearing a swimsuit, create the impression visually that this is really a female and not a male. You have to hide some things. And there are actually designs in clothing that make it that are called, quote unquote, tuck friendly. All right. that it's like, really, Target? You're selling stuff like that? Well, anyway, Target experienced a lot of blowback over the last couple of years, rightfully so. And guess what? It's hitting them in the pocketbook. So now Target's scaling back. It's not that they don't still have some LGBT stuff on their website, but dramatically reduced. And they're not turning their stores into big rainbow flag stores anymore. They've dropped that line of merchandise from the open Satanist who was selling merchandise in an effort to try to spin things around. But at least they're turning back. You've got a survey that was taken from Gravity Research, and they conducted a survey of over 200 corporate executives. asking them, are you planning to scale back on Pride Month celebrations this year, sponsorship of Pride events, things like that, and Pride-themed merchandise, 39% of U.S. corporations said, yeah, we're scaling that back. Now, CNN says this is the Trump effect, and they're attacking Trump for this. It's called the dollar effect. Yeah, you know what? It is. But look, I don't deny, John, that Trump is, in fact, turning the rudder of the ship more away towards stuff like this. OK, that's good. I got no problem saying that he is affecting the flavor of this. But ultimately, these businesses are scaling back not because Donald Trump says so or is threatening them, but because Donald Trump has been instrumental in helping to turn the tide away from this kind of stuff. And corporations are realizing, hey, this is hitting us on our bottom line. And so let's go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, we talk about it in our program a lot, Bob. It comes down to they're starting to understand their market and their buyers, frankly, something we as a party could learn from at times. The reality is corporate America is realizing that, you know, What we did with Bud Light didn't work out so well. We threw more Bud Light away that year than we sold. So we probably ought to change things moving forward. They're realizing that their market doesn't like it. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, let's face it. Transheiser Butch, they realized how stupid this was, that this was costing them a lot of money. And I think a lot of these other businesses are learning that, too. And so I'm glad to see that the trend is at least moving this way in corporate America. What are some of your thoughts on that, Neal?
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm kind of shocked that this is like a thing. What I mean by that is that they're just discovering this, that their market isn't comfortable with this. I think that the vast majority of Americans really don't want to know what you know, homosexuals are doing in their bedroom in private and that they don't want to be celebrating stuff like anal sex. Sorry to say what it is, but I just I can't believe that at any point anybody thought that was a mainstream idea. And quite frankly, I think a lot a large part of what got Donald Trump elected again was what some referred to as the common sense revolution. I just think that mainstream America, and I bet even, I'm guessing even a majority of Democrats, voting Democrats across the country, think that this excessive obsession with gay pride and the whole thing is kind of off the rails that you know genital mutilation of children and stuff is not normal and it's not healthy it's not good for families or children or america and a lot of them probably believe that in secret i can't prove this of course it's i don't have a scientific study to back it up but i think it's what got donald trump elected because people using common sense said this isn't normal this is not what we actually believe and this isn't what we want And they pushed it back. And I think, you know, corporations are beginning to wake up to the fact that that's the case. And they're realizing it's going to hurt them long term in terms of sales and market share and all of that. So, you know, whatever. I think that's what's driving this.
SPEAKER 03 :
on that side of the aisle that, A, just want to go live their life, to your point. They don't really care about all of this other stuff. They don't need a quote-unquote pride month, and they definitely do care about the mutilation of children, and we'll come right out and say that. So I believe, and this is another topic, again, maybe down the road, guys, whereby I believe that there may very well be a divisional split in the LGBT community. Get rid of the T, by the way, and on, because there's a lot of those folks that are in the gay community that don't agree with the transgender movement and the mutilation of kids.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, to back up your point, there's a group out there called Gays Against Groomers, okay, that is exactly that. They're saying, you know, we want to live our lives as homosexuals, but we don't think it's right to be out there grooming children and targeting them and trying to convince them to mutilate their bodies.
SPEAKER 04 :
And on top of that, if you think back, you know, whatever, 25 years ago, when the women's rights movement was, you know, making a lot of noise and people in the church were pushing back, saying, hey, look, let's not go overboard with this, you know, pro-woman thing. But today, they're actually joining hands. Now you've got people in conservative church circles saying, Joining hands with people in the women's movement circles saying we're not in favor of men pretending to be women because that deemphasizes the value of a woman. And women's sports is being affected and the whole thing gets rolled together. It's convoluted. It's wrong. And I think it's going to ultimately implode. So I think, John, you're really on to something. I agree.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
You're telling me things I don't know because I honestly don't watch any of that stuff anymore. Luckily, you know, my kids are – grown and gone. And my grandkids, you know, will have nothing to do with any of that stuff because my, my kids are very keen on the things that you were talking about. What's interesting too, though, Bob, about some of this whole, you know, the whole transgender thing, which this is where just to add to some of what you've been talking about, um, the LGB sides of things is going to have to come out at some point and really set the record straight and distance themselves from them. I believe this, this mishmash of joining them together is going to have to have to stop at some point because the reality is, I think most people know this. that transgender man that now claims to be a woman isn't a homosexual he's a heterosexual that just tried to figure out a way to get into women's you know bathrooms and locker rooms and so on that that that guy's as much of a heterosexual bob as you i and neil are so the reality is that's not a gay that's not a gay man or a gay woman that's a heterosexual man that's just playing dress up so he can get closer to women when it's all said and done that's my opinion and that's why the The gay part of that whole LGBT sides of things has to separate themselves from them at some point.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, in all fairness, in all fairness, I think you're right that many of them are. I do think that there's gender confused guys out there who really do think that they're a woman. And if they're in a relationship, that's a mental illness.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's a whole nother situation.
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree. If they're in a relationship with a woman, then they would consider themselves a lesbian when they're really not. But many of them are gay guys who they play the woman and whatever, but it's sick and twisted. But I think you're right. I think it's way more of a percentage than people realize of just pervert guys who are using this as a way to get access into the girls' locker room.
SPEAKER 03 :
And again, not to get completely off topic, but I'd have to go back and look at these particular individuals and say, okay, what's your success rate been like with – you know, women in the past and have you had struggles in that area? And now are you just, you know, dressing up like a woman so you can now get closer to them? Because as a man, you had no ability to do that before. And I don't know the exact numbers of that, Bob, but I'll bet it's much higher than we think.
SPEAKER 06 :
It may very well be. Here's an idea. You want to attract women? Okay. Act like a man because most women would prefer a man, frankly. Neil, what are your thoughts on the grooming of the children? Which, by the way, can I just say politically, I'm glad to see that Pete Hegseth in the Department of Defense is renaming, ordering the renaming of a Navy ship that was named USS Harvey Milk. Amen. It's like, oh, my goodness. So I'm glad to see that they're doing that. But going after the children, Neil, this is just a whole new level of evil.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I've been involved in media kind of stuff since the summer of 1979. That's a really long time. So I've talked about a lot of issues. I've interviewed a lot of different people from a lot of different places. Covering the game arch in Washington in 1993 was one of the most stunning, eye-opening things that I've ever seen or witnessed or experienced. And I didn't cover it from a distance. I was on the street walking in that March, more or less, talking with the lesbians, talking with the homosexuals who were present. It was absolutely stunning and unbelievable, you know, what I was watching there and what they were saying. I interviewed people from the North American Man-Boy Love Association who claimed that they had no interest in grooming kids. It's just that they love children and they wanted to be near children and be a blessing to children. Yeah, right. Okay, so... It was shocking. It was horrifying. And, you know, the bottom line is I think that we really, as Americans, just need to state the truth. We need to continue to press for truth and state the truth whenever we have the opportunity. I don't know if you guys saw, but the boxer, the... supposedly female, but actually male boxer that won the Olympic gold medal, uh, was determined now to have male chromosomes. And I'll, I'm not saying there isn't something funky going on with that person's genetics and they might be an anomaly, whatever, because there was some confusion about the whole thing. But the bottom line is the X Y chromosome is present in this so-called woman who won, you know, an Olympic gold as a quote woman, but it's actually a male. And, uh, It's wrong. It needs to stop. And I think that, again, common sense people ultimately won't stand for it unless the enemy of our souls is successful at continuing the confusion. Because he's the liar and the father of all lies. He's demonically deceptive. And I don't know if he can just blind the eyes of people to say that this stuff is normal and it's necessary that we continue down this road. But I think common sense people right now still have enough sense to say it's wrong and it's got to stop. We want nothing to do with it. And praise God for the people that are willing to speak out. By the way, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but certainly corporations have pulled back. But I also think even on social media, I don't know how much you guys pay attention to that. I'm not huge on social media, but people are being bolder about saying what they actually believe about this. I think a few years ago, we were sort of whipped into silence by the Biden administration and liberal progressives who were saying, you know, you're a hate monger if you speak up against any of this. I think people are getting bolder about their views and I'm glad to see it. I think people need to voice and express exactly what's on their heart about this.
SPEAKER 06 :
I am too. And I'm glad to see that we got more and more high school girls that are having the guts to say, no, I'm not going to.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, that's right. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Or no, I am going to step up to the first place slot, even though I belong on the second place slot or, you know, good, good for them. Some little Riley Gaines's are cropping up out there. Guys, as we wind down, As we wind down this podcast, I want to get in a little bit in our last few minutes here on Elon Musk. His time at Doge is over now. For all of the press that tried to turn this into, oh, Elon Musk is leaving Doge, like that's some kind of big news. No, this is already predetermined that he was going to leave at this time. Right. But a lot of people are trying to create a sense of division between him and Trump because he says that he doesn't support the big, beautiful bill. It's a disaster and whatever. It's like, OK, fine. But overall, in general, Elon Musk, no, he didn't find a trillion dollars, but he started the process and he found about 160 to 175 billion dollars there. in waste and fraud, which was removed. I think that's a very good thing, and I think it's a very good start. And so I would say his time was not a flaming success, but I don't think you could call it a failure. I think that he found waste and fraud and at least kick-started the move toward cleaning up some of this waste and fraud. So therefore, I say hats off to Elon Musk for the job that he did. We only got about 30 seconds apiece. John, what do you say on that?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I agree. I think he's also started a movement along those lines too, Bob, that he needs to not be so discouraged even himself. I know he wanted to do a lot more than he was able to do. And I think he's frustrated at how slow the wheels of Washington actually move. Well, unfortunately, Elon, welcome to Washington. But I do think he started a movement that will continue on over time. And is it a trillion dollars? No. But could it be down the road? I believe it could be, Bob. It's going to continue to progress. And hats off to him for doing what he did.
SPEAKER 04 :
yeah neil what do you uh what do you think since we've been talking about pride month i can't believe you used the term flaming success but either way i know um after after i said it i thought okay that wasn't on purpose but whatever i'm i'm proud of elon musk and i got to be honest and say that as a person as a human being that jesus died for i'm concerned for his soul i'm concerned for what he's going through because the alleged potential drug abuse whatever and i think he takes criticism hard But, you know, finding billions of dollars of waste and fraud is a huge success. I'm glad he did it. Being concerned about adding to the national debt by trillions of dollars. I'm glad he's raising the issue. And I just I'm grateful for what he did in helping to get Trump reelected and bringing truth back to social media, et cetera. So anyway, overall, I think it was a success.
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Join Mike Gallagher as he navigates the complexities of the current political landscape, drawing connections between the actions of business mogul Elon Musk and the governmental challenges faced by former President Trump. Through thought-provoking dialogue, Mike exposes the fragility within political and business strategies, discussing the potential repercussions that could arise from the clash of these two influential figures. Dive into an exploration of governmental expectations versus corporate realities.
SPEAKER 03 :
mike gallagher every day mike visits with mark davis morning host on 6 60 a.m the answer in dallas here's today's eminem experience i've been thinking a lot about it this morning um in fact there was some reporting that was just repeated from axios mark caputo was sharing remember the screaming match that scott besant and elon got into outside the oval office i don't know if i'd Well, it was not denied by the White House. In fact, Caroline Leavitt was asked about it and she didn't deny it. So it did happen. And evidently, one of the things Scott Besson said to Elon is, you're a fraud. You promised $2 trillion in cuts. Then it was $1 trillion. Then it turned into $500 billion. Now it's $150. You're a fraud. And then, of course, Elon got into his face and said, you're a failed hedge fund manager. And it was very personal. And I've known bosses like Trump who like that kind of tension. They think it brings out the best in warring sides. But here's what I think we have to consider about Elon. First of all, hope everybody's paying attention as you're rallying around Elon at Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer. Yes. And all of the Democrats are lining up, oh, Elon is right. Oh, he's right. So guess what? Democrats are voting in your poll that Elon is a brave, courageous truth teller too now. Because you know why? Because they don't want the bill because they're terrified of border security. They're terrified of all the things in it. They're terrified of codifying and making permanent the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. So I want to push back gently with love to you and all your listeners. as Elon went through all these late-night dissing texts and tweets, and he keeps dissing Trump in these new posts. President Trump, incidentally, oddly quiet about it right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, which is, I think, which is a signal.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's telling.
SPEAKER 04 :
I want you to continue your premise, but Trump, well, first of all, I don't think Trump, one of the big things last night was, what's the running clock before Trump says, I never knew him, I don't know who this guy is, and I don't think that's going to happen, nor do I think it's a psyop. Nor do I think they were being played here. I just think there's a way for Elon's purity of purity of perception. And I think where you're going to go is he just doesn't understand the governmental system and is not ultimately being helpful. But I think there's a way for all this to work out. Let me let you continue.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, there better be a way for it to work out because I'm going to go to what we need to go to. What's the end game? You and I, I think, rightfully ask often about issues like, for example, the war with Ukraine and Russia. What's the end game? We keep writing blank checks to Vladimir Zelensky. What's the end game? You think Ukraine's going to beat Russia? No. You think we're going to get into a war with Russia? So what is the endgame? And we ask that a lot, and I think it helps add clarity to the debate. Well, let's do the endgame game on this. If the bill fails... What do you think is going to happen, Mark? If it's not good enough for the Elons and the Thomas Massys and the Ron Johnsons of the world, what are we left with? Let me tell you what we're left with, shattering the Trump agenda, obliterating the Trump mandate. And you're right, if it does come down to Elon versus Trump, I'm with Trump every day of the week. Let's talk about a business person like Elon. He's brilliant. He has turned so much around. But he sees things from the eyes of somebody who has not been president for four and a half years. He doesn't know really how the sausage is made. We got a guy with steel you-know-whats in the Oval Office who's trying to make chicken salad from a bowl of chicken you-know-what. Here's my... With love admonition this morning, stay in your lane, Elon. Back off and let President Trump try to navigate this. Now, I'm open to one thing, and I want to get off my soapbox here and ask you about this theory. Yeah, but I wonder if Donald Trump isn't in on this with Elon Musk.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which is exactly where a lot of people are going. If it's binary, if we got a pick going all the way.
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Right about this and yet still say, hey, you ain't President Trump is. There's more good than bad in the bill, and the bill needs to pass, and the failure of the bill might lead to our failure in the midterm. So you've got to look at the big picture. And for our buddy Elon, there's an old saying, I don't know who coined this, let everything you say be truth, but not all truths need to be spoken all the time. That's right. Indeed, Elon is fiscally correct and right. When you were talking 60 seconds ago about how he comes in with a kind of a neophyte perception of how his clear eye, his fresh eyes have been of enormous value in finding government waste. Doge is great. It needs to continue. Let's get to that two trillion that he talked about. But it also means you're kind of a babe in the woods as far as how things actually happen. And you know who it reminds me of? A very different character, Ross Perot, who said, I'm going to put up the hood. Let's take a look. I'm doing Dana Carvey doing Ross Perot. And God bless Ross Perot. But government's not a business. It never will be. There are principles of business. Don't spend money you don't have, blah, blah, blah. But government is not. You can't snap a finger, write a memo, gather the team, and change things overnight.
SPEAKER 03 :
Look, Elon is very frustrated. That's very obvious. It's clear he's frustrated now. And we all are. But I think he's got a whole different level of frustration. It was reported that Tesla sales were down 45 percent in the month of May. Now, I hate that for him, but he's got his hands full. He leaves the White House and he has absolutely damaged himself in a massive way. And shame on the loony left business. Business-wise? Business-wise, his brand. I mean, if it's true, 45%, Mark, that's not nothing. And he's got to get back to work. So he knows that and he's got to fix that. He's got a fiduciary responsibility to turn his companies back. And I think they're going to come back. But he's just frustrated. And we get all of that. I get that. I admire him and I respect him. But I think he's got to back off and stay in his lane. Because, again, you said something a moment ago that really struck with me. You think there'll be more good than bad in this bill. Well, there definitely is more.
SPEAKER 04 :
There's totally more.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, all right. Well, let's look at that. Let's do a deep dive on that. If the more good, the absolute secure border, the tax cuts made permanent, but if that still comes with a heavy deficit price, how do you determine what's more good than bad? Because what Thomas Massey is saying and what Elon Musk is saying is to hell with the border security. There's too much spending.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Forget the tax cuts. We've got too much spending. And so this is the problem we have. And this is what I'm we got to be careful here not to get, you know, swept away by the dreamy, you know, rantings of Elon Musk here. He might be saying, forget it. Let the bill crash and burn, burn it all down and the and the Trump agenda because they didn't give us enough. That's a mistake, Mark.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's a big mistake. And it's a product of the business versus government mindset.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
That Walter Isaacson biography of Elon. I recommend it because everything Elon does, I can find like page 275. There's something in there. He welcomes business failure. He learns from every business failure. Let some rocket design happen. absolutely blow up on the pad. Fine. Back to square one. Let's see what we do. That ain't how government works. Government is very incremental. You can't really have a big... For us to have this rocket blow up on the pad, we can't turn it around fast enough and make everything hunky-dory by the midterms. We're going to be gauged very slavishly, very... minutely by millions of people whether Trump is able to deliver. What's the measure of every politician? Can you deliver on what you promised? And from full border wall funding to tax cuts to a number of other things that are in the big beautiful bill, if this thing fails, there's going to be hell to pay.
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On this hard-hitting episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush welcomes author Richard Battle for a Memorial Week conversation on the enduring lessons of D-Day and Midway, the collapse of financial discipline since the gold standard, and what it means to build a strong America today. They tackle AI warfare, the coming battle for space, and Trump’s proposed redirection of funding from elite institutions like Harvard to trade schools. Later, John and guest Sunny Kutcher from Young Americans Against Socialism dive into the Boulder firebomb incident, activist judges, and the dangerous rise of radical Islam in America—calling out cowardice, failed leadership, and leftist hypocrisy in no uncertain terms. Plus, John dismantles Denver’s laughable attempt to curb metal theft with new scrap laws. It’s unapologetic, relentless truth-telling in defense of freedom, faith, and reason.
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All right. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate y'all joining us today. Richard Battle joining us now. Richard, welcome. How are you today, sir?
SPEAKER 08 :
Good afternoon, John. We're doing great. Thanks for having us. And Bill Federer just stole a little of our thunder here a minute ago.
SPEAKER 17 :
He has a tendency to do that, too, on occasion, I should say, from time to time, Richard.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, well, that's all right. We've got plenty of things left. That's right.
SPEAKER 17 :
A strong America and strong Americans make America and the world safer. That is our topic for today.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely, and there's two big events that we're, I shouldn't say celebrating, commemorating this week that our parents, grandparents, and Americans before us sacrifice to help preserve our freedom. And Bill Federer mentioned Midway, and there's one other point I want to make, and then we want to hit D-Day as well. But if you'll remember, World War II was the last mortal threat to our country, and it forced everybody to come together because no one wanted to speak Japanese or German, and we wanted to retain the freedom that our founders had given us.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and you know, I've talked about that in the past, that had we not done some of the things that we did throughout the world wars, quote unquote, more than one, by the way, where would we be today?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, and there are several things that are just amazing when you think back how different the country was then. Bond drives. Everybody contributed out of their paychecks. Every time there was a movie at the movie theater, the last image was buy war bonds, and you wonder why they pushed it so hard. But we have to remember that back then we had real money that was gold-backed. And the country almost went bankrupt fighting the war. So they needed individuals to sacrifice their personal money to buy bonds because we couldn't just print money. And, of course, we went off the gold standard with Richard Nixon in the 71. And from that point forward, it's been a different calculation on things like that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and as you know, and I don't want to get off track, get into the big, beautiful bill and all of that. But the reality is, do I care the direction that we're headed in the increased spending and so on? No, I do not. Although I will say this. I've talked about this earlier in the week that I also don't feel like some of the calculations, the The budget office does at times is always correct either because they don't take into account, you know, solid growth that would come from lower taxes and so on. So they always kind of take the worst case scenario, Richard, on the same token. We have got to quit spending so much money because you're right. We are in a time now to where it isn't backed by gold. We have come off that standard. We can go into debt. And probably one of the worst things we ever did as a country as far as that goes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, and at that time in World War II, we were able to manufacture things for us as well as the other countries as the arsenal of democracy. And Franklin Roosevelt had his dollar-a-year men, which were the CEOs of the major corporations who sacrificed and helped the country manufacture what we need and keep costs down, much similar to this Doge effort, but we've not seen anything like that in many, many years. And that was because, again, everyone knew the mortal threat to the country in each individual.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and here's the question, too. Are we better off being indebted to certain individuals? Are we better off being indebted to many, including, you know, even foreign countries and so on, Richard? And that really is the ultimate question. And honestly, I don't know which is better at the end of the day. Neither is good.
SPEAKER 08 :
Neither is good, and I hope some of the efforts that President Trump is doing can get us back where we can control our manufacturing. If we can get our financial house in order, then we can be prepared to defend ourselves against any threat much better than we can today. And I don't think most people will recognize that right now because nobody talks about that portion of the benefits that he's trying to deliver to us. And we look at another piece was the Battle of Midway, which Bill Federer mentioned. That changed war from mostly naval operations from ship to ship. That was the first time there had been a naval engagement where the ships never saw each other. And from that point forward, air superiority has ruled warfare. And I believe that the next phase of that will be dominating the space situation. And people need to recognize whoever dominates space will dominate the world because they can look down on everybody from there. And that's not mentioned very often when we talk about our space program.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. And then the other thing I was going to add on to what you just talked about as well is AI will also play a part in all of this. And then you got to start asking on top of what you just said in regards to space, will the AI drone, quote unquote, warfare, by the way, like we just saw between Russia and Ukraine, have a big impact? And I believe it will.
SPEAKER 08 :
You're correct, and that is why we have to maintain technological superiority in every field, and we have to be ahead of everyone to protect ourselves. And if we look back, Midway, obviously, we won that battle. Several, I mean, many, many people sacrificed to help bring that victory, which kind of turned the tide in Pacific warfare. But if we look Coming Friday is the anniversary of D-Day, the 81st anniversary. And again, one of the things people don't recognize very much is that Germany's technology, they were on the cusp. They had rockets, they had jet airplanes, and they were oh so close to nuclear weapons, which they would have used, and any of those could have turned the tide of the war. And that's why they were so fiercely trying to get into Europe before Germany could get those weapons out.
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Yeah, and one thing, too, and you know this, and this is, again, part of the blessings that the United States of America has. I guess that would be the best way to say it, Richard, because one of the things that, as you know, Germany was also struggling with was how to fuel, quote-unquote, a lot of their equipment, airplanes, and so on. And the reality is they started running out while we had plenty.
SPEAKER 08 :
That is true, and the same thing with Japan. Fuel is a big difference. One of the things from our standpoint at being a free country that was different than Germany, and we've mentioned it before, one of the reasons D-Day was lost for the Germans were Hitler was sleeping and none of the generals, even the top generals, dared to wake him up to get his okay to bring reinforcements from the north down toward Normandy. And so they waited and waited and waited. And then on the other side, the Americans, the individual initiative of individual American soldiers, the technical sergeant, when they had the problem with the hedgerows in Normandy and there were so many Americans getting killed going hedgerow to hedgerow. came up with the idea to put a plow-like device on the front of a tank. They call it a rhino tank. And once they started plowing through those hedgerows, they reduced casualties and gained more ground and turned the tide of that campaign.
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Amazing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Individual initiative.
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So many things, Richard. I, again, not trying to be negative because I hate being negative. I want to think positive when it comes to us as a country and so on. But I wonder in today's world, because of the way we've educated our several generations now, would they, could they think of the same thing today if we had the same set of circumstances?
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Well, I think some could. I'm afraid we don't have the large numbers that we had before, and I'm hoping that some of this change in how we're going to pursue education and going back to meritocracy versus entitlement will help turn that tide because entitlement breeds weakness. Meritocracy breeds strength. And while entitlement's easier on the front end, it's harder on the back end. And meritocracy's harder on the front end and easier on the back end. And it's the same thing with our kids. Do you want them to have it hard early and easy later, or do you want to make it easy for them early and they have to suffer hard early?
SPEAKER 17 :
That's always been my mantra. Richard is hard early, makes it easier on the backside. And really quick, going back to you're talking about this administration, Trump and so on, and don't know if this is going to be completed, but there's rumors and I'm sure you've seen it whereby. Donald Trump was talking about taking $3 billion away from a school like Harvard and applying that same money back into trade colleges and the like. Richard, I look at that and applaud it, thinking, why aren't we doing that anyways? Reality is Harvard doesn't need it. They've got enough endowment money. They've got like $55 billion in endowment. Do they need another $3 billion? No. What could we do with $3 billion in the trades, Richard?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that's exactly right. And a point I made out talking about the war for independence, it took everyone contributing to win then. It took everyone contributing to win in World War II. It takes all of us today to make the country better. Everyone doing what we do individually contributes to the betterment of the country in the future.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. All right. Talk to us about you've got a new book coming out. It's going to launch here soon. People can preorder now. How do they do all of that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, thank you, and you've got to check the mailbox Monday, and we'll be talking more specifically next week. But the second book in the Americans Who Made America series will come out next week. It has 40 profiles from the 19th century, including Sam Houston's mother and the first black woman millionaire and so many other great stories that are inspirational. It and all my books can be found at richardbattle.com, signed. If you want them inscribed, email me, richard at richardbattle.com. After the order, we're happy to do that. Everything's at Amazon, including audio and Kindle versions as well. And it's great gift ideas for Father's Day, graduation, birthdays, et cetera.
SPEAKER 17 :
Richard, always a joy having you. I appreciate it greatly. We look forward to it.
SPEAKER 08 :
My pleasure. Look forward to speaking next week, and God bless America.
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Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial and the show you love, Retirement Unpacked, is here with me. How are you today, Al? I'm doing great. How are you, TJ? I'm doing great as well. I have a couple questions for you.
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As a financial advisor, do you also do taxes? No, I don't prepare my clients' taxes. I do, however, spend a lot of time talking to them about taxes. To use a sports analogy, tax preparation is like doing a recap of the game. What I do is more like creating a game plan and then following up over time to see how it's working.
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And how much are taxes a part of that game plan that you create?
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What about people who already have really healthy balances in 401ks, IRAs? Won't they be facing significant taxes as they draw income from those accounts?
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Well, it depends. Everybody's situation's a little bit different. There's no one size that fits all when it comes to tax planning. But often when I work with people, we'll create a strategy where we will convert traditional IRAs to Roth over time. And that not only reduces taxes in the future, but it will also lower the tax they'll be paying on their Social Security.
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Is that kind of strategy really only for the wealthy?
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Not at all. Many of my clients who have modest IRAs have chosen to convert to Roth over time. They enjoy the freedom of having a tax-free nest egg that they can access on their own timeline rather than an RMD schedule.
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Well, that is excellent. And how can people reach you if they want to learn about their own taxation in retirement?
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Sonny Cutcher should be joining us here at 4.30. I've got a couple things to talk about in the meantime, though. This one is interesting because I've talked about this as a car person. We do this on Drive Radio from time to time. I've talked about it here on Rush to Reason as well. And that is... The reselling of, in this case, it's going to be called scrap metal, but we all know it's catalytic converters and things along those lines because all of your scrap metal places are typically who's taking those items. And I probably should explain, because I haven't done this in a while, you know, why, oh, and copper too. Yeah, copper metal, precious metals, things like that. and a lot of these scrap places will take those. It's their business. I'm not faulting them, by the way. It's what they do, and they're needed. You need somebody that will take these items, recycle them, put them back into the marketplace, and so on. I'm not against them at all. But what's happening is you can take a theft ring. It could be just an individual, but they'll go around cutting off backflow devices for irrigation, for example. That's full of copper. It's expensive. They can turn that in, get cash out of that. The Tesla cords. Thank you, Charlie. EV cords. That's probably what I should say. Not just Tesla, but EV cords. Again, high value. They'll steal copper out of buildings that are getting built or things along those lines. And it happens a lot. And it happens, again, with the catalytic converter and things. Lots of precious metals. The reason why they steal your catalytic converter is because what's inside – it's not the casing – of the catalytic converter that's so valuable. It's what's inside of it and what it's doing to reduce emissions on the vehicle coming out the tailpipe that makes it so valuable. So what's happened here in Denver, this is not metropolitan-wide, although it could expand. We'll see how this goes. But Denver City Council has passed restrictions on scrap metal transactions to combat rising metal theft. Now, What they're now requiring, and this is almost laughable, this just shows you, and I say this a lot, but politicians really aren't very smart. And at times, I believe, don't even bring the smart people into the room to determine how should we curb some of these things. Because all they're going to do now is require individuals that are selling scrap metal to give a driver's license and license plate. Now, I laugh at that because... Unless it's maybe real ID. Do you know how easy it is to go fake a driver's license and, by the way, just go steal a license plate off some other car that probably you just stole the catalytic converter off of at the same time and stick that on your car and then go turn the scrap metal in? This does nothing. I'm sorry. This is laughable. Sorry, Denver City Council. This is laughable. This isn't going to do anything. And again, I'm not blaming the scrap metal guys because, you know, somebody brings something in, they pay whatever they need to pay for that based upon the poundage of and or the size of the catalytic converter, and off they go. So they voted on Monday night 11 to 2 in favor of this ordinance, which makes it more difficult, it claims, to make these quickly offload stolen metals such as copper, brass, and aluminum. And I'm saying, no, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Folks, some of these theft rings, which, by the way, are very sophisticated. We've seen some of the reports back on these individuals and what they do and how extensive they can get. If you think or if you don't think, I should say for one second, that they don't have the means to fake an I.D., what planet are you from? They have every bit of means to fake an ID, and I just explained how you would handle the license plate end of things. Now, unless the council is giving the scrap metal places the ability to check registration on the license plate with the driver's license and doing some sort of cross-check, which I could then see it having some teeth, but that's not in here, and I highly doubt that's the case because that type of software doesn't exist today. to most businesses. You've got to be in some sort of law enforcement capacity to even have that ability to cross-check. Even your average repair shop doesn't have the ability to cross-check those things. They can look at the license number and see if it's registered to that particular car owner that comes in to get the vehicle fixed. But beyond that, there's no checks and balances on any of that. And I highly doubt that even these scrap metal places will even do what I just said. They don't have that kind of software. They won't have that ability to do that. And last but not least... Again, I'm not trying to point fingers. I'm not saying this is what scrap metal places do, but do you really feel like if somebody brought in $1,000 worth of scrap and the scrap metal guy gives out the $1,000 in cash, there's not even any record of that? So how is this ordinance going to curtail what I'm talking about? That's my question. Again, this is where... seemingly smart people that are in politics, which they're not, come up with rules to curb something that, frankly, they have no business being involved in and aren't even setting the right ordinance in place to stop this. Again, this isn't going to stop this at the end of the day. Now, it might keep an honest guy honest, but a true thief that understands their way around this, and again, this is for scrap metal places that are in Denver. Folks, there's others out there. There's other places to go besides Denver to offload what you stole. Will this populate out into other areas of the state? I have no idea. And, again, I'm not against it. I want to make sure I'm very clear on this. I'm not against the scrap metal folks, not by any stretch of the imagination. And I do believe that a lion's share of them are above board. And I think they do things correctly, and they try to find out where does this stuff come from and so on. But I will also tell you that you take a business even, an automotive repair shop. I'll just use that as an example. Whereby they're collecting all sorts of scrap iron because in that business you do. I know I was in that business for 30-some years and to a large extent still have a business similar to that where you end up with scrap metal. It comes from all sorts of things. You do a brake job, there's brake rotors that come off that scrap metal. The brake pads themselves can be scrap metal. I mean, I can go down the list of the different things you come up with as an automotive repair shop that are scrap. And in a lot of cases, you've either got a metal bin or some people use trailers, dump trailers, things like that. They just start piling things in. And once they get a full load, they run it down to the scrapyard. They get paid by the ton. They take the cash. And in a lot of cases, by the way, for that shop, that's the pizza money they feed the guy's pizza with on a regular basis. I mean, typically, that's how that's done. And I'm not exaggerating at all in what I'm saying. That's usually how this works. They're not getting rich off of it, is my point. But if you think for one second that that particular shop, and yes, typically that's a shop and they're legitimate and so on, they're taking that in. But you could put all sorts of things inside of that metal bin. And do you think for one second the scrap iron guy is asking you where every single one of those items came from? No, and they don't care and nor do I. They don't care, nor should they. It's scrap. It's junk to them. Now, to the thieves that are out stealing all sorts of things that they shouldn't be stealing, cutting things off and so on, you know, I think if it were me and I were a scrap metal yard and I was running things and I was looking at some of these things and how they were cut off and where are they coming from and are you a repair shop? I mean, if you're just Joe Schmo bringing in a boatload of catalytic converters, yeah, I'd have a few questions. Where'd these come from? I can tell that you've sawzalled all these off and highly doubt you're a repair shop, so where are these coming from? Now, in defense of some of those guys, the way that works as well, this is another layer that even the council's not thinking about. In a lot of cases, guys can acquire catalytic converters from going around to shops and buying them. Because a lot of shops don't have time to go down and sell their scrap and so on. So they'll get a guy that'll come around and say, you know what, you got a few Cadillac converters there. I'll give you $500 for the whole stack. Okay, great, see ya. There's the beer money for the shop or the pizza money for the shop or whatever. So now that guy has to go and figure out a way to offload those. And again, he's legit. He's not doing anything wrong. He's not stealing anything. He's legitimately acquiring them. And he's most likely going to go in and turn those things into the scrap metal place and so on. But at the end of the day, he's legit. There's going to be a lot of guys that are not. You know, what is the correct way of tracking this? I could give lots of ideas and it's not this. And it's not this. And I'm not for over-regulation. I'm not for regulating things and so on. But at some point, when it comes to the scrap metal end of things, and even if you're a shop selling to them, I think there needs to be other forms of not only ID, but forms you're even filling out, more traceable things. Shops would have no problem filling this out, by the way, because they know exactly where things are coming from, so it wouldn't be hard for them to do. But I think you need other forms of, hey, not only a license plate number and an ID, but we need to know more about what's going on here. And by the way, there's ways to do this in a non-obtrusive way that still gets to the bottom of what's going on and protecting individuals from theft. And there's ways to do this, and this isn't it. And had City Council of Denver reached out to me, I could have sat down with them and probably within an hour figured out a better way to do this than what they did. 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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 17 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Sonny Kutcher joining us now. Young Americans Against Socialism. Sonny, welcome.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you so much. Pleasure.
SPEAKER 17 :
Always a pleasure. I appreciate you being with us. And not to get off topic, but is your weather in California better than ours here now? Because we've had like this California June gloom nonsense going on. It's cold, it's rainy, and we're not used to this.
SPEAKER 16 :
Really? I've never been on Colorado at this time of year, I suppose. But typically, we will get our June gloom during the day and then Right around 3 o'clock, just now, it starts to get nice and beautiful and sunny, and it's pretty beautiful, actually.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, we're supposed to be that way as we head to the weekend, so we can't wait for that. Okay, as you know, we had a lot going on here in Colorado over the weekend. Boulder, Colorado, which is actually my hometown where I... actually grew up. I had my family had business there. So I still own some property there. So very, very familiar with that entire area spent a lot of time there still do from time to time, even though I moved a little bit south of there, Sonny. So you heard some of that news almost immediately as it was coming out on x because it's so close to what we have going on as far as you know, where we all live and all that I still have a business in Boulder County, not Boulder itself, but in the county. And as we were watching some of that unfold, just thinking to myself, what in the world? And the first thought I had, Sonny, is those news organizations and the left itself, they are as much to blame, in my opinion, as to what went on there as anyone, because they, whether they realize it or not, they are condoning what happened on Sunday.
SPEAKER 16 :
They condone it. They encourage it. They are bolstering these causes. I mean, in all sincerity, a lot of people still follow blindly, at least listen and kind of consume the mainstream media. And I'm of the belief that there is really maybe 10% of what we see on legacy media is what we can believe. I don't even know how much of it is really accurate or truthful. And so I think it's a major problem because they are, as we know, taking, you know, their marching orders from higher up, and we just simply don't know who really is funding these companies and these organizations and the media and all of these different publications that have been pushing this narrative. And, of course, you know, from an objective standpoint on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it's, you know, no violence, no war, none of this is really a... a means to a peaceful end. However, there is just so much propaganda. And so it's really hard to know exactly what's going on, to be honest.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, the propaganda thing, you're 100% correct. I mean, I watch, even listen to, at times, people talk about what's happening in Israel with Hamas and all of that, and I go back to one of my original statements, and I talked about this very early on in all of what had happened. The minute that Hamas did what they did, I immediately, on this program, came out and said, I, if I were in charge, This would be a really simple fix. I would drop leaflets saying if you are one of the innocents, quote unquote, and I even question that, Sonny. That's a whole conversation in and of itself because you voted for these knuckleheads. I get it sometimes that you can be a casualty of an election and so on. But at the end of the day, you voted for these knuckleheads to run your strip, quote unquote. You're as much to blame as anyone. You're not innocent in this. Yes, I get it. There's children that don't vote and all of that. That's another conversation, Sonny. But I would drop leaflets if I'd have been Israel, if I was in charge. I would have dropped leaflets that said, listen, you've got 72 hours to get out. If you don't want to see the wrath of Israel. You need to get out because guess what? We are going to carpet bomb the crap out of the Gaza Strip to the point where we're going to dose it once we're done. We're going to turn it into something else, and it will no longer be the Gaza Strip controlled by Hamas from that day forward. So get yourself ready. That's what's coming. That would have been my answer. So you know how sympathetic I am to Hamas, Sonny. I'm not.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. Right. And I've seen so much going, you know, going on Twitter and mostly Twitter and, you know, independent journalists who will talk about just the horrors of what we're seeing. And, of course, it's awful to see, you know, innocent people be killed. And it's awful to see children be killed.
SPEAKER 17 :
And don't start it is my you know, and I'm not saying this to you. I'm starting. I'm saying this to them. My comeback to them is then don't start what you can't finish.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and it's that, and it's also that the people who are involved in Hamas are, you know, a part of the population because they are taught from such a young age to have these core beliefs, number one. That's right. They utilize the facade or, you know, they use the children, hospitals, schools, all these things to conduct their beliefs.
SPEAKER 17 :
Their war.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, their operations. Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER 17 :
You're right, Sonny. They use all of those things. I'm glad you said that, because they use all of those things as a tool. Let's just say as it is. They're using it as a tool so they can further their terrorist agenda, and they don't care. I mean, they want us. It's so funny. They want us, you know, these journalists and the rest of the world want us to care about the innocents, but Hamas doesn't care, Sonny.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And I mean, even when you go to other countries like Lebanon, for example, the Hezbollah have a seat in the parliament. So their own population. either A, accept, tolerate, condone is okay with it, or B, even goes further to show that they have zero control over what happens because these people are terrorists. So they're not going to kill anybody who doesn't agree with them anyways.
SPEAKER 17 :
And I want to make sure that we're clear on this as well, Sunny, because it drives me crazy. when I see even conservatives, especially Christian conservatives, that somehow want to give Hamas a pass, and, oh, what the U.S. and Israel are doing, it's just wrong, and the blockades, and this, that, and the other. And I'm thinking to myself, you people, number one, are as dumb as a rock. You have no idea what's actually been going on over there. You're not listening to the likes of you and I, Sunny, when we talk about the things that we talk about, because everything you just said is true. And it just drives me absolutely crazy when I hear Christians especially talk about how we and Israel are not doing right by Gaza and by Hamas. I'm thinking to myself, you people are absolute nutjobs.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and also, I mean, and I don't say this in any way to be insensitive or to say that I don't care. But it's also like, why is it our responsibility to make sure that these people are safe when nobody has cared about their safety for decades and decades?
SPEAKER 17 :
And Sonny, I don't want to sound coy either, but it's not. That is the brass tacks. It's not. It's not our job. To your point, no one cared up to this point. And it's not that I don't care about women and children. I do. But on the same token, and I've said this openly on air numerous times. Not my problem. You could have left. If you had something in your heart that said, listen, I don't like what's going on here, I don't like this regime that somebody else voted in that I didn't, and I need to do something else in my life, then do so.
SPEAKER 16 :
It's a devastating situation all around. And it just doesn't seem to get any better because, you know, Israel doesn't it doesn't seem like they are stopping their agenda anytime soon. And I do believe that President Trump is committed to keeping us out of foreign wars, which I agree.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 16 :
very awful situation um but i agree and and to kind of before october 7th you know there are many arabs palestinians etc who travel to and from between borders of israel for jobs for us for all kinds of purposes and so Like you said, if you know, if you're a person who's like, OK, well, I don't really like this reality that I'm living in. I don't really like the fact that I can't control my own destiny. I can't control my own fate. And I have no idea like these terrorists are running are where we live. And, you know, by the grace of God, we don't get to choose where we are born and raised. You know, so I understand that there is a plight there, that there is a. that there is a total, that there is compassion that we can have for these people. But at the same time, they do go around chanting death to America. That's right.
SPEAKER 17 :
We just saw that Sunday, by the way, Sonny. We just experienced that this Sunday in my hometown, Boulder, Colorado, what you just said. That exact thing was said Sunday.
SPEAKER 16 :
And because they believe it, because this is what they're taught from a very young age. They have children in Gaza and other Arab countries that are taught from a very young age to when you see a Jew or Israeli or an American, you have hate in your heart and want them to die. That's right.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's where – and you're nicer than – Sonny, you're nicer and kinder than I am because I'm one where at the end of the day, it's like, you know what? I'm sympathetic. I don't want to see any lives taken that don't need to be, but on the same token – You know, this is sort of like the bully on the playground in the way I was taught. And I think some of our kids need to get back this way. My dad taught me, Sonny, was you're never allowed to throw the first punch. I don't care what goes on. You suck it up. You need to do what you need to do. You're not going to throw the first punch no matter what. Now, on the same token, if you get punched, you are more than welcome to punch back and finish what somebody else started. That's how I was raised. And that's what Israel needs to do. They didn't start it, but they sure need to finish it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and I mean, self-defense and, you know, the old adage of, you know, if they put down their arms, there would be no Israel. But if the other put down their arms, there would be peace, because I think ultimately it's about that core value of like what, you know, what a society, what each society truly wants. Is it peace or is it conflict? Is it death? You know, and unfortunately, the the culture of Islam, they do worship Islam. death. They do. They worship. They glorify it. They romanticize and glorify death for their religion, for their faith, for their culture. And, you know, it's It's not even based on opinion alone of what my opinion about that is. That's what they believe. And there are they I mean, when we see the radicalization and the progress of the Islamification that we're seeing in this country, in Texas, I'm sure you've talked about that or we have. I don't know. I don't recall. But in Texas and all these other places in Florida as well, it's very scary. It's very scary. And I think that people are really afraid to call it out what it is. There are very peaceful Muslims, and I'm sure there are peaceful Arabs. I mean, of course, I know them myself. But I do believe that a lot of these extreme Muslims, they do glorify their religion, and then they will go to any and all means to fulfill their agenda. And it's really devastating. And that's why, you know, I sent you the link I just broke a couple hours ago of that a radical, another radical judge, shocker, blocked the deportation of said terrorist from Boulder, Colorado, who just completed his, you know, that horrific incident. So wrong.
SPEAKER 17 :
So wrong, Sonny. I mean, these are individuals that are here.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 17 :
They're illegally here. Send them out. And yet we've now got activist judges. That's what this is. It's a Colorado activist federal judge that is now saying you can't do that. It's absolutely a crime in and of itself, Sonny.
SPEAKER 16 :
It's insane. I mean, we don't have an executive branch. We don't have a country anymore. There's no autonomy. We are living in a free-for-all situation. And people like Soleimani, people like, you know, Luigi Mangioli, people who are criminals will just, they go around and they will continue to do this. And that's why we've seen our society crumble into one that doesn't really follow these laws anymore. Because let me tell you, when you go to other countries, they don't have these laws. I was just in Mexico and you can just feel, you just feel like a target. You just feel the lack of safety. You feel the lack of orderliness because because it is so easy to sense the corruption because the laws are not followed. There is no country like America, and the fact that we are now suffering from these same banana republic-type issues where judges have no respect for their seat, the bench, the Constitution, or anything of the nature to follow the law goes to show that we really have fallen so far, and it is actually very scary.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep, you are correct. Sunny, how do folks find you?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, you can follow me on Twitter, SunnyRoseK.1, I believe it is. You can also, yes, of course, our organization, YasAmerica, Yas.org is our website. Definitely support us if you can, and we're grateful to be part of this movement and to spread the message of freedom, reject socialism, reject authoritarianism, ideologies and embrace the values of freedom, because if we don't, we are definitely are threatened to lose our country. So thank you for having us. And I always love it every week.
SPEAKER 17 :
I appreciate it very much. Thanks for all your insights, Sonny. We appreciate you as well.
SPEAKER 16 :
Have a great one.
SPEAKER 17 :
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SPEAKER 17 :
All right, to dovetail into what Sonny was talking about, there was a statement put out, I believe, today or maybe it was last night from the Boulder County Commissioners. Now, this doesn't surprise me. Again, those of you, you pretty much know my background. Maybe you're new to listening to us. That's where I was born and raised, Boulder, Colorado. Grandfather started a business in Boulder in about 19, I want to say 47. Don't quote me on that. I may be off a couple of years, but in the 40s, he started a business and had a family business there. And I did business in that town until I sold the business I had in 2012. I still have a business in Boulder County. It's not in Boulder itself, but it's in the county. So, yes, I'm very familiar with that entire area. That's where I was born and raised and grew up and so on and know it very, very well. Also know how nutty it actually is, because as time went by, it got nuttier and nuttier and nuttier. So there's a statement from the Boulder County commissioners after what happened on Sunday. Which you would think the statement they put out would be far different from this, but here it is. The Department of Homeland Security website makes baseless claims without providing details. I'd like to know what baseless claims they're referring to because I haven't seen anything that's baseless. Everything they've said is spot on. It uses inflammatory language likely designed to scare people and turn community members against one another. Again, I don't see it that way at all. They basically have said exactly where this particular gentleman has been from. The fact that he came here on a tourist visa. He then had a work visa that has expired, meaning most of his family, I'm guessing, is probably in the same boat. I highly doubt they're any different status-wise than he is. He's the father, and I know enough about how those cultures work that most likely what he does, the rest of the family did. And I don't think, Charlie, I don't think I'm wrong in that, knowing that particular culture. So it uses inflammatory language likely designed to scare people and turn communities against one another. It describes human beings as illegal or criminal aliens, which robs people of their humanity. Well, you know, it is what it is. You're either legal or you're illegal. There's nothing about that that's robbing anyone of their humanity. This is just your nuttiness coming through. The Trump administration will not be successful in robbing the Boulder County commissioners or Boulder County residents of our empathy. And by the way, I don't think anybody is less empathetic to those victims, especially because of what happened, regardless of who president is. So I'll say that straight up. It doesn't make any difference who the president is. Nobody wants to see what happened on Sunday happen, especially us as conservatives. In fact, we are the ones that are championing Jewish rights and the things that they need to be respected for and so on. We don't want this to happen to them because they're a people group any more than we want it to happen to anybody else. They go on. If being a sanctuary jurisdiction means that we support due process of law and human rights, then we are proud of that moniker. So I guess it's OK for you to house and give sanctuary to individuals that go around trying to murder Jews like what happened on Sunday. I'm asking this to the county commissioners of Boulder. This is three of them that put this out. Are you really that much of a knucklehead? These three? It's in fine print, so let me see if I can zoom in here and see their exact names. Claire Levy, Marta Lockman, and Ashley Stoltzman. Those are the three county commissioners that are attached to this particular statement. And it's kind of all over social media. Now, I... Yeah, there's more than three, so I don't believe this is all of them. And keep in mind, these are county commissioners, not Boulder City Council. And there may only be three, Charlie. I may be off on that. I'd have to go back and look and see how many commissioners there are. And I apologize. That's something I used to have off the top of my head when I lived there, but don't pay much attention to it now because it's not where I live. And they may only have three. I'll have to double-check that, Charlie, and see exactly how many they have. But, again, this isn't coming from the city of Boulder. This is coming from the Boulder County commissioners, these three ladies. And, again... A, let me just say this. This statement didn't need to be put out. Period. In fact, I would have used the rule that Charlie always uses for me that when some of these tragedies happen, even if this is something you want to say, you let the dust settle before you say anything at all. And I would have at least used that had I been one of them. Even if they want to say this, too soon. Too soon. It's the Tuesday after the Sunday this happened. Two days later. Too soon. Period. But, again, these are true Marxist liberals. Again, I know Boulder very well, as well as anybody does. And these are true Marxists that have a Marxist agenda. And they're the type that, you know, they feel like they live in this utopia called Boulder, Colorado. It's not. It has as many problems as any other city has. They try to mask those problems, by the way. And the reality is too little or too much too soon is what I should say. Too much too soon. If they wanted to say something along these lines, fine. Wait until the dust settles. But the dust hasn't settled yet. 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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right. And yes, there is only three commissioners in Boulder County. It happens to be these three ladies that I mentioned. There is District 1, District 2, District 3. So they're in charge. Each one is in charge of their represent their particular district, I should say. And as Charlie said, it's really unusual for somebody to come out with an quote-unquote official statement like this, given the situation. But, yeah, the way I'm seeing this is this is an official statement from the Boulder County commissioners because that's exactly what they said. Shame on them, by the way, for doing so, but not surprised this is Boulder County after all. We'll be back. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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John Rush takes the gloves off in this unapologetic third hour of Rush to Reason, blasting the performative marketing of Pride Month and saluting Target’s pivot back to patriotism. He goes deep on the Boulder firebomb attack, questioning the timing and sanity of the county commissioners’ public statement, and exposing the hypocrisy of leftist identity politics. From the absurdity of activist judges to the dangers of radicalization and open borders, John lays it all bare. Plus, updates on the Mike Lindell trial, the ridiculous “No Kings” protests planned for June 14th, and a fiery takedown of Nextdoor Karens. If you're tired of cowardice and craving clarity, this episode delivers straight talk with zero compromise.
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All right, hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We talk a little bit about this on the podcast that you'll hear tonight at 6, but Charlie and I were just talking through the break that several retailers, Target being one of them, I haven't said much about it, but June is whatever, Pride Month, which I hate. I just hate dedicated months period, by the way. Whether it's Pride Month, whether it's this month, that month, honestly, I don't care because to me it's all stupid. And most of it marketing, by the way. It's sort of like, and I shouldn't say this, but Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day, those are all, in my opinion, just holidays meant to spend money. That's pretty much all they are. And these months that they have, it's the same situation. They're really there just to bring awareness to something and get you to spend money. So June is Pride Month. Well, it used to be a big deal for a lot of retailers, Target being one of them. In fact, in the past, Target did everything from having the kids' tuckable swimsuits and this, that, and the other, a bunch of nonsense, by the way. And they had so much backlash that this year, And I've seen pictures, and I've not verified this, but I've seen enough pictures, and I believe these to be true, that if you go to a Target right now, you won't see the typical LGBTQ rainbow, all that nonsense. I think it's all USA stuff. They've literally changed the theme to being USA-friendly, not LGBTQ-friendly. And hats off to them. In fact, they're starting to understand their market and realizing that most people, including those that are gay, don't care about all of that. They just want to go live their life, buy stuff, and move on. So congratulations, Target. I'm glad you did that. Long overdue. Now, maybe, and it is, I was going to say maybe that will wear off onto some of the other companies, which it is, by the way. You can even look at some of the logos that typically during Pride Month change. There's a lot of them that aren't. which they shouldn't be. Know your market. Know who you're selling to. Know who you're potentially offending. And putting out USA stuff in the front of the store, and the way I look at that is, if that offends somebody, shop somewhere else then. That's my feeling. You're in America. If you don't like America, you don't like the flag, you don't like the red, white, and blue, then go back to wherever you came from. And if you don't like it here, then get a one-way ticket somewhere else. You live in America. If you don't like it, leave. That's my feeling on it. You guys all know me. I don't mince any words along those lines whatsoever. If you don't like America, leave. It's as simple as that. In fact, I'll put this out. If you don't like America, I will buy you the one-way ticket. One way. You're going to sign a contract. You're not coming back. I'll buy you the one-way ticket. See you. Bye. Leave. I don't want to see you. I don't want you here. And frankly, neither does anybody else. We talked about that in health and wellness on negativity of people and so on. If you're that negative against this country, leave. We don't need you. Now, I'm all for free speech and having the rights to speak your mind and say what you want and so on. But on the same token, if you don't like it here, then go. Go somewhere else. All these Hollywood stars that threatened to leave if Trump became president, it looks like they're still here. There's a few that have left. I wish more would. Be fine by me. I think the ones that have are probably miserable wherever they're at because it's not America. It's still the best place on the planet to live, bar none. There is no other place that's as good as what we have here, in my opinion. Period. Period. Somebody said, too, that the Boulder County Commissioners, I was talking about those last hour, appear to be Jewish names by heritage. Yeah, honestly, I don't know. I don't know how you would know that for positive. You would have to ask each one individually. From looking at their pictures, yeah, it could be married names. I'm telling you, by looking at the pictures, probably not. Maybe one of them might be, but I don't think the other two are. I could be wrong. Pictures are not always correct. Yeah, could be they married into the family and so on. I will tell you that Marta, highly doubtful that she is Jewish. I'm looking at her right now in her picture, probably Hispanic from looking at her picture. I don't think she is Jewish. The other two maybe could be. I don't know. Again, I don't know their heritage. Could be that they married in. And again, I don't have any idea. Well, it's ironic that, you know, Charlie's saying it's ironic. It's ironic that the particular individual that was attacking this particular march on Sunday was most likely attacking, I bet I'm not far off on this, probably 80 to 90 percent liberals. Highly doubtful that they were conservatives marching. I know Boulder. I know the area. Again, I did business there, folks, for decades. Decades upon decades, I did business there. Still do in some ways. But on the retail end of things, did business there for 40-plus years. And I will tell you that highly unlikely— that those particular Jewish supporters that were gathered to do that march, highly doubtful that if any of them were conservative, I would be shocked. I would be shocked. And yet, this particular gentleman did what he did. That's where this statement coming out from these county commissioners is just nuts. It's dead wrong. They're looney tunes. And they are. And I would hope that it was a unanimous thing to put this out on the same token. If it is, shame on the three of them, because same token, if it was one of them putting it out without the unanimous decision from the other two to put that out, that's wrong in and of itself. We'll know more about all of this. And I will say this as well. I should have made this known last hour. I personally... have not verified that this came from all three of them. This is on social media. It looks like a statement. It looks accurate. I don't know for positive if, in fact, it's not on their website, for example. So I can't verify. I have not done all the research to go back. It's been reposted numerous times. And I would think, though, that had it been wrong... Typically, when things are wrong, you see comments that, yeah, they didn't say this, no, they didn't post this, so on and so forth. I haven't seen any contradictions to this statement from anyone on their side of the aisle. Let me just say it that way. Is it possible they didn't say this? I suppose it's possible, only I'm going to just say this, doubtful. Does this fit something that the commissioners of Boulder County would say, knowing where they are coming from on most things, because it's very liberal? It would make sense. It would make sense. So I'll do more research and we'll find out. And thank you for noting that the names themselves. may be Jewish, but I can tell you from looking at them, highly doubtful that all three of them are, but it doesn't matter. Bottom line, if they're making that statement collectively, and again, I don't know this for positive, probably should make an inquiry to find out. I'll do my very best to do so. Although you would think as much as this is on social media, somebody in their media department would be contradicting that if in fact that were not true. So I'll just leave it at that. So Flesh Law coming up next. Speaking of the legal end of things, civil, criminal, you name it, Kevin is there to help you, represent you. 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Really quick also, I did a search on the name of that particular county commissioner. It's L-O-A-C-H-A-M-I-N. That is not a Jewish name, by the way. And I do know for a fact, because I watched her campaign for that particular race, I just was reminded of that a moment ago. She's a Latina and sort of highlighted that running for the Longmont District Council. As far as county commissioners in Boulder go, it doesn't matter, by the way. And what I did, this is coming from AI, from a Google search. AI will tell you that, yes, in fact, they put this statement out. Now, that's AI. Don't know if that's true or not. Typically, though, AI is looking at all kinds of things, not just social media. They're looking at what, you know, it goes out and looks at websites, other sources, and so on. Not that it's 100% factual. Because it's not. It can make mistakes as well. And like I said earlier, it would not surprise me that the commissioners of Boulder County put that statement out. I think that's – and again – Not that I want it to be true because I don't. I would hope that they would have more more couth than that to put that out so soon, because I think that they're wrong. Not only is the statement wrong in all the things it talks about with the Trump administration and so on. It's just wrong timing, period. Charlie, that's probably the biggest thing I would look at there. And if I was advising them, even on the media side. Yeah. Too much too soon, folks. If you want to say that next week, you'll be our guest. But too much too soon, you're two days, literally, because this statement probably came out last night, you're two days away from the event that happened, too much too soon. And I understand nobody has died, thankfully. But there are some severe injuries with some people. Some had minor injuries of the eight. I think there was 10 actually now they're coming out and saying that had some injuries with all of that. But I believe, Charlie, there's two that I think are heavily, will be heavily affected, burned, I guess is what I'm trying to say. You can look at some of the video and such and see some of that. And by the way, if you haven't seen some of the video, I wouldn't recommend watching it. It's one of those things where there's different angles of it. It's like, yeah, I don't know that. I don't need to see that twice. Watching people on fire is something I don't need to see. Sorry, I don't need to see that. And this guy that did this is an absolute nut job. Here's my fear. Will he get off on some sort of a lesser plea on some sort of an insanity thing because he's a nut job? Don't know. Don't know. That one, unfortunately, much like a lot of other trials, you won't know for, Charlie, we won't be talking about this until 2027 at the soonest probably. And I don't think I'm wrong in saying that. By the time they get through everything, it'll be a couple of years down the road before you'll find out any more about all of this. So, yeah. don't be expecting anything any sooner along those lines folks in this particular regard because that's just that's how the wheels of motion i mean look at the the vert or the um the sentencing that i talked about yesterday with the young lady that was killed up on indiana with the rock throwing incident the boulder throwing incident i should say um yeah um Two years, literally it was two years almost to the day, about a month or so off of two years that those young men were sentenced. And as I talked about that with Andy yesterday, just not a good thing. Okay, one thing I haven't talked much about, and I'm not going to spend a lot of time here, but some of you may or may not know that Mike Lindell, the MyPillow CEO, he is in town right now. There is a trial going on. There was a lawsuit, a defamation lawsuit that was put out by the used-to-be owner of Dominion, no longer a part of that, Eric Coomer. He is no longer a part of that, but he sued Lindell over defamation. And this particular case... could very well set the tone for some other lawsuits. These are civil. Some other lawsuits that are also going against other individuals. Eric is sue-happy. That I can say. I'm not defaming him and saying that he is. He's a sue-happy individual. He has sued numerous individuals along the lines of things that were put out either on radio, they were put out on television, Even Fox, I think, settled out of court, if I'm not mistaken, Charlie. So there's a lot of people that he has sued. Some people paid out in advance, not wanting to go to court. In this particular case, Mike decided to go all the way to court. Personally, I think that's because Mike doesn't have the resources that Fox has. Even though he owns MyPillow, he's not a super rich man and doesn't have the ability to just write a check. and clear this and move on. And I don't think he would have done that even if he had been. He's going to run this thing all the way through because he doesn't feel like he's done anything wrong. Now, saying all that to say this, Mike, if you're listening. You need to learn when to not talk. I'm just going to say it straight up, guys. The judge is even scolding him over some things he's doing on his frank speech media outlet and so on. And while the trial itself is going on, my advice, Mike, be quiet. Stop talking. You'll be better off in the end to just stop talking. If you want to talk once everything's over and you want to give everything that you're thinking and what's on your heart and your mind and so on, again, free speech, be my guest, do whatever you want to. But for right now, zip it. Zip it. You'll be a lot better off when it's all said and done. And I'm on Mike's side. I want Mike to win. But Mike needs to be really careful because the odds are not stacked in his favor. I'm just going to tell you that straight up, folks. They're not stacked in his favor. So I'm not, again, I'm not going to take sides one way or the other because I don't know what the outcome is going to be. I like Mike. I think Mike's a patriot. I think Mike at times gets caught up in some things that I wouldn't get caught up in. I'll just say it that way. Me personally, I would not do. But that's me and I'm not Mike. Mike's a grown man and he can do whatever he wants to do. So I'll leave it at that. Bottom line, though, if I were Mike, I would not be talking. I think I would be a lot more quiet about things and just let things roll, mainly because, as I said earlier, this will likely be a case where there could very well be some precedents set. in what happens moving forward in some of the other lawsuits that are out there. And I'll tell you straight up, is Eric a good guy? No, Eric's not a good guy. And I'm not defaming him. He's just not a good guy. And I can say that. There's nothing defaming about that. He's just not a good guy. He's got a vendetta against certain individuals, and he's coming through on that vendetta. So, Eric, be careful what you wish for also. I will say that. Be careful what you wish for. And I'll say that to a lot of different individuals that go down this this path of going to court over certain things. Be careful what you wish for when it's all said and done, because it may not be exactly what you want. So, again, I'll leave that one alone. We'll see how things go. We'll keep tracking it. But that was one of the things that I noticed that had come out of that particular trial. The judge issuing an order or sorry, issuing a recommendation that he quit trial. doing some of the things that he's doing on social media and other places. And I just know from experience along those lines that when you're in court, you're best off just not saying anything. And I would venture to guess that his attorneys are telling him the same thing. Okay, something that my wife sent me. I'm not on Nextdoor. I can't stand Nextdoor. And by the way, nothing against the folks that run Nextdoor. I can't stand the people on Nextdoor. So for those of you that don't know what it is, and I'm not on it, so I'm going to have to just describe it best I can because I haven't been around it for a long time. Nextdoor is sort of a social media app for neighbors in particular areas, and I think you have to be approved by your address to even join that particular section of Nextdoor. As a business, I think you can advertise and do some things that way, and I don't know that you necessarily have to belong to the neighborhood to be a business and advertise, but to communicate back and forth with neighbors, you have to be a part of that particular neighborhood group of Nextdoor. So I'm not. I was for a very short time, and I'll just tell you straight up, nut jobs. Sorry, nut jobs on Nextdoor. Bunch of whiny Karen Kevins. They're whiny. I can't do it. I know Charlie follows some of it. I can't. And they're nosy. Thank you, Charlie. They are nosy. I mean, they are the type that a police car just drove down the street. I wonder what that's all about. Who cares? So a police car drove by. No one cares. I got better things to do. So I can't do next door. I'm doing good to even do a little bit of stuff on Facebook and some of the forums and so on. I'm doing well to do that. Next door I cannot do. So my wife does. She can tolerate that stuff. I can't. It drives me crazy. I just look at it and think, people, you cannot be this stupid, can you? But they are. So this was something she sent me. She copied and pasted the screenshots of a next door thing going on in Golden. The No Kings Golden, whatever you want to call it, gathering. And those of you that don't know what no kings is, it's against Trump. They think Trump is a king. They will spew things out like, you know, because of Doge and the discontinuation of USAID, you know, 300,000 kids are now dead. And they spew all this garbage out, which, by the way, none of it's true. Can't be proven. But that's the kind of garbage they put out to their quote-unquote supporters and followers. So there was a guy on Nextdoor in that particular area talking about, hey, make sure you gather. I'm not normally somebody that would post anything political, but you need to come to the No Kings Gathering, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you realize that this many people have—I mean, it's just a bunch of utter nonsense. And again, if I was a part of Nextdoor, I'd have to respond. That's why I'm not part of Nextdoor, because I couldn't do it. I would have to respond. Then I'm in this battle back and forth. Your keyboard, blah, blah, blah. I can't do it. I do this instead. And point being, there's going to be a lot of these, quote, unquote, no Kings mass protests. They're happening June 14th. Now, here's where I'm coming at this, because you're going to see a lot of these. and some of our side is going to look at these and you're just going to shake your head. And what I don't want happening, because it would look bad for our side, is don't interfere with these knuckleheads. Don't say anything to them. Don't try to debate them when they're doing these things. I get it, there's free speech and all that, but you're better off just letting these knuckleheads be knuckleheads and let them do their thing and no confrontation, nothing along those lines. Just let them do what they're going to do and leave them alone. That's my point in talking about this is our side needs to just ignore it and move on. The more of a ruckus we make by being at these events to counter it, so doing like a counter protest to the protest, which sometimes our side will do, don't in this case. That's my advice. We're not going to accomplish. I can tell you right now, you're not going to change any of these people's minds. No more than I'm going to go to Boulder and change the minds of these three county commissioners on the statement they put out about the Department of Homeland Security and so on. You're not going to change their mind. I'm not going to change the No Kings mass protest minds. These people are absolute knuckleheads. You're not going to change their mind. There's no sense having a conversation with them. So my advice on June 14th, which is not this coming Saturday, but next. Am I right on that, Charlie? Is it next Saturday? I'm going to make sure I got my calendar right. Yes. Not this Saturday, but next, the 14th. You'll see some of these going on. Most of them are going to be late in the afternoon. Three to five is this one. And they'll be all around the country. We've already seen these happen. You're going to see them again now. But again, my advice is let them be. Let them do their thing. Leave them alone. Most of them will have minimal attendance at best. Some will have more than others depending upon what part of town they're in. But I would just let it roll, don't worry about it, and move on. Because the more we... You know, fan the flame of the fire, I should say, the worse it's going to get. Just leave it alone. Let it be. These people are knuckleheads. They believe things that aren't even true. So just let them do their thing. I mean, anybody thinking for one second that Donald Trump is somehow a king, given what these activist judges are doing against him, they're another moron. Literally, they're an utter moron. They're not even looking at things through any kind of a rational lens. Otherwise, they wouldn't be having these protests because Trump's about as far from a king as you're going to get. The one that was closer to the king who was being propped up as king was Joe Biden. So if you really want to get down to it in the auto pan and the signatures and all the different things that happened, if you really want to talk about somebody being king, that was Joe Biden. Far, far, far cry from what Donald Trump's doing right now. And how in the world anybody could be mad at Doge and cutting wasteful spending, especially USAID, tells you exactly where they're coming from. USAID has been proven to be nothing more than a big, huge money laundering scheme, most of it on the Democrat side. Yes, there are some Republicans involved as well, but mostly on the Democrat side. 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All right, we are back. Thank you, by the way, for all of the text messages. A lot of you saying my explanation of Nextdoor was spot on, that I explained it full well, and thank you for that. Some of you are very funny, by the way. I appreciate that as well. You make me chuckle. Yeah, I'm sorry. I know some of you even said that there's other areas where, you know, some of the mountain towns and so on. It's not so bad. I maybe it's not. And, you know, you're probably right. But I can't do it. I'm sorry. I just I can't. I guess I'm getting to that age where I just can't stand a lot of the stupidity that is there. And I'm sorry to say that. But Scott Garlis joining us now. Scott, welcome. What's up, sir? Hey, John, not much. How are you doing, man? I am doing very well. Other than I sent you an article, and I haven't talked about this on air, but I sent you an article talking about how it really has come down to the fact that the Fed is most likely not going to move on interest rates. Trump and Besant know that. They are going to do their very best to work around the Fed. And I think Jerome Powell is making a huge mistake. And frankly, Scott, and I know he's not looking at it this way, but I think it's really going to affect him financially. in the history books on down the road as being somebody that was too late to the game raising and too late to the game lowering?
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Yeah, it's certainly possible. And I know we've talked about this for a bit. Hey, look, inflation's coming in. The Fed should be making some sort of moves because they had said prior to the election, when the inflation numbers get close to our target, we'll start cutting rates more before we get there. Now, You could say, well, they cut by 100 basis points in the fall, but inflation's much lower now. We're down to 2.1% on PCE. For anybody listening, that's personal consumption expenditures, and that's the Fed's preferred inflation gauge. Their target's 2%. They're pretty much there.
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And the other thing, too, that's starting to come out, Scott, and I don't think this is wrong. I don't think the observations are off. They cut rates under one administration, but they won't do it in the next. That does not look good for the Fed right now, being that's the case.
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No, it definitely doesn't. As much as Powell says he's apolitical, it certainly seems very political. Now, the only thing I will say is people were – flipping out on Powell for cutting race ahead of the election, saying that he was being anti-democratic and just.
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I think what he, and this is my opinion, I think Jerome Powell was doing, again, he says he's not political, and what I was flipping out about is he lowers him, again, under one administration, I think trying to jumpstart the economy to try to help the Democrats out as much as he could, and the reality is it didn't really change anything at the end of the day, because the economy didn't do any better from that, but now he's gone completely the other way. It's become a... a contest between him and Trump, and Jerome Powell is just showing his true colors as to his dislike for Trump.
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Yeah, I would agree with that. I think it's become a bit childish on Powell's part. It's almost like Powell has said, I'm not going to have anybody tell me what to do.
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I'm not giving in.
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Yeah, and instead of looking beyond what Trump's saying and just being like, look, you know, whatever. I've got to do what's right for the economy. I feel like he's digging in his heels. I mean, you know, a couple of things we've been talking about. We've been talking about how gas prices keep coming in because there's more oil being pumped. The Saudis, OPEC just upped the amount of oil they're producing. They're going to by 410,000 barrels a day. And now they're talking about getting even more aggressive. That's keeping a lid on inflation. And then another thing that's weighing is because the Fed won't cut rates, you're looking at, you know, to borrow money to buy a house, conventional 30-year mortgage, is around 7% right now.
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Yeah, and that's the part that really I think the Fed is – make sure I use my words correctly here, Scott – The Fed is going to pay the piper on that because people that have mortgages, that want to move, that want to do something different, they'd like to change schools, they want to do this, they want to do that, but they won't because of what you're talking about. And they know, whether they understand every little idiosyncrasy as to the economy and how interest rate works or not, all they know is they can look at the Fed, they can look at the announcements, they can look at the fact that even the news media talking about how they're going to go ahead and just leave rates alone Even though short-term rates aren't a direct relation to 30-year mortgages, the average person, Scott, has no idea how that works. All they see are the headlines, and I do believe that that is going to come back to bite the Fed because people right now that would love to move and would love to do something different with their current mortgage but can't because of what we're talking about, they are going to be mad at the Fed, and I believe it's getting worse.
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Yeah, and so... A way to look at that, too, is if you look at the month's supply of existing homes and what that would be is how long it would take to completely sell out of all inventory. I want to say it's 4.4 months right now as of April.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think that sounds about right. Yeah, I was looking at some of those numbers today. We're actually, at least in Colorado, I don't know what it's like across the country, but we're getting up to pre-pandemic levels of houses in stock. Not that it's a true buyer's market, but it's more in favor of buyers than sellers. It doesn't mean that people are slashing prices or anything like that. Things are adjusting, of course, and coming back around. And again, a lot of that is due to the fact of what we're talking about with interest rates.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And it's so that existing homes number, it is the highest we've seen in the last five years. And it is, you know, the average prior to the pandemic to your point was like four to six months. So it's back in that average range. Um, but the other thing is if you look at new homes, they're up to 8.1 months. The typical month supply of new homes is five to six.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
So it's growing problem there. Yeah. Yeah. It's growing. It's gone past normal. You know, existing homes are growing. Existing home sales are the lowest we've seen in a while. You know, they're about running at around $4 million. So it's just, you know, that starts to add up. And so what we're seeing there, too, is price growth is really starting to compress. I also looked at the listing price per square foot nationally. It's only up 1.3% versus this time a year ago. And that sales price is up 1.8 percent versus this time a year ago. So if we take that and then we take gas prices, the average price of gasoline for the month of May and the month of April was down 12 percent versus the same time last year. And this is when you're supposed to be seeing the uptick. That's right.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes. And so if you put those two numbers together in terms of CPI inflation, that's about 40 to 45 percent of inflation. So think about that for a second. 40% to 45% of inflation is seeing little growth to contracting.
SPEAKER 16 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 09 :
So when we saw that, we haven't seen the May inflation numbers yet, but when we saw the April inflation numbers, I just told you they're 2.1%, that 12% contraction in gas prices was part of that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
And now we saw it again in May, that's only going to have the same effect. So to exactly what you're saying... The Fed, now, to think about it, for people to think about this and what kind of rate cut cushion the Federal Reserve has, you think about the effective federal funds rate, which is in between, they have a target range. It's about 4.4% right now. So to look at real interest rates, you take that number and subtract inflation, which is 2.1%. And that means the real rate of interest is 2.3%. Okay. Okay. So if we go back and look at how the Fed manages that number historically since the year 2000 is what I ran the numbers back to, negative 0.1%.
SPEAKER 16 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's a major league.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's 240 basis points or 2.5% almost of rate cut cushion.
SPEAKER 16 :
Meaning they could come down a full percentage point and be just fine.
SPEAKER 09 :
Completely.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. And that, in turn, typically, and we'll talk about what Ascent's doing, but typically, Scott, that 1% rate cut would bring mortgage rates probably down into the high fives, 6% range, something along those lines.
SPEAKER 09 :
It would make a massive difference.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, huge.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, and the other thing you're seeing going on right now, too, is the employment numbers we've been seeing in the last couple months. they're really starting to slow. And part of that is, you know, companies don't want to borrow money at high interest rates to keep if they're worried about anything. So now they're starting to say, you know, they're starting to fire employees.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk about, along those same lines, because all this dovetails into it, the Treasury versus the Fed. There was an article in Zero Hedge, and I always take what Zero Hedge says with sort of a grain of salt. I think sometimes they're really good. They're spot on. Other times they're a little bit conspiratorial. So I don't take everything they say as the Bible by any means, Scott. But in this particular case, I think this is a good article. It's talking about Treasury versus the Fed. With the Fed sidelined, Besant unleashes a record $10 billion bond buyback. Talk about that and how that could affect interest rates.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes. So a great way to think about that is quantitative easing that we saw after the financial crisis. And so what the Trump administration is really trying to do is get borrowing costs down. And one way you get borrowing costs down is to buy up outstanding treasuries. Because as you buy them up and there's less supply out there, more people will start to buy them up. And as prices go up, the yield comes down. So as yields come down, all the loans that are benchmarked versus a 10-year treasury yield, as that yield drops, the loan costs come down.
SPEAKER 16 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 09 :
And so that's... That's a big push.
SPEAKER 16 :
So in other words, it's a way to reduce borrowing costs outside of the Fed.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct. And this is a big reason. Now, the problem with that is the Fed could be helping this by cutting rates instead of forcing... you know, the fiscal side to be spending money to get rates to come down.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, so here's a question that I think a lot of people would have. Where does the money come from that's buying these bonds back, that's buying these treasuries back?
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, it could really come from anywhere, but it would be in the treasuries account from the money they receive from the Federal Reserve for different operations of use. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. So, I mean, it's essentially still taxpayer money, I guess you could say, at the end of the day. It's just a matter of how it's being used. Correct, correct. Okay. And being used in a way to help, quote-unquote, prop up the economy or help the economy grow.
SPEAKER 09 :
And help the taxpayer because they're trying to bring borrowing costs down for taxpayers. Right, good point. And make the economy grow and make sure people stay employed. Okay, so dumb question on my part.
SPEAKER 16 :
The Fed can see all of this. They know even before you and I that these things are happening. This article was talking about how Besant and Powell have breakfast once a week. I mean, they're talking about these things. How can Jerome Powell still be sitting on the sidelines knowing this stuff's going on?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don't know. It's getting to the point where he's got to do something. You know, what's also interesting is the Fed has actually stopped. They've cut way back on QT, which is quantitative tightening, where they stopped reinvesting in bonds. They're reinvesting more. That should help. But yeah, the Fed, it's getting to a point where they're really making a mistake now. And if you go back and look at the CBO's original scoring of Trump's budget plans prior to getting in office, when they scored tariffs with 10% on the world and an additional 50% on China, they said that would cause inflation to go up by 0.9% a year for one year, and that's it. So it would be a temporary shock. So in other words, To your point earlier, if the Fed cut by 100 basis points and we saw that jump, they would still have a rate cut cushion.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and here's the other reality, too, as you know. We haven't even talked about this yet. None of the tariff stuff that's gone on has really done anything to raise inflation. I talked about this earlier in the week, even a little bit last week, outside of you, that The other thing about – and bear with me here because this is a little bit hard to explain, and I think most people can track with me. But where some of the tariffs come into play – I'll use Walmart as an example because they're one of the ones whining about how they're going to have to pass some of these costs on to their customers, blah, blah, blah. Okay, fine. Trump – Trump even threatened that no Walmart, you need to suck it up and eat it. Well, I don't believe I don't agree with that either. If he puts a tariff in, you need to pass it on and so on. And the reason why I don't mind so much what Walmart does in regards to tariffs and even passing them on is because I've got to be careful how I say this. But there's a lot of people that shop at Walmart that are net tax receivers. They are not net tax income. They're not net income tax payers. Now, if this, Scott, is what gets them to pay a little bit of their own fair share by paying tariffs, because that's essentially what they're going to be doing with a little bit higher costs at Walmart. So be it. They can finally start paying a little bit of their fair share. That's why I don't care at the end of the day. And frankly, it really won't do much in the way of inflation because there's enough other things that are countering that with fuel and groceries and so on that at the end of the day, it's a nothing burger. But in this particular case, non-tax payers are actually going to start paying a little bit of their fair share, which I'm okay with.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I believe it's like the top 40 or 50 percent of the only ones who pay taxes are
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, about 47% of Americans pay no taxes.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it's the, I mean, when you start getting to like the top 5% and 10%, I mean, they pay the lion's share, and I'll just say it straight up, they're probably not at Walmart. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Sorry. I mean, we can dance around this all we want, Scott, but the reality is, you know, millionaires and billionaires, and I get it, some cases they may be shopping at Walmart, but the majority probably are not.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah, and then sort of my point with that, too, and where you're going is, like, you know, when the Democrats say that going into elections, a lot of that, like, hey, we want everybody to pay their fair share of taxes. Like, if you wanted everybody to pay their fair share of taxes... you'd be taxing the base that you're trying to rally.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's all populist rhetoric saying, I get there are different tax advantages and write-offs and blah, blah, blah. But at the end of the day, the numbers and the data still tell you that the top 50% pay almost all the taxes in this country.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. You're right. Anyways, I hate to get off track on that, but I do think there's, and trust me, I guarantee you some of these conversations that you and I just had go on in some of the higher levels because they know the exact same thing that I'm talking about. And at the end of the day, given where oil prices, groceries and such are, it's not going to have any negative effect. And the reality is it hasn't have any negative effect to this point. We have not seen any inflation jumps from tariffs at all.
SPEAKER 09 :
So, you know, one of the things I would say there, too, like people are worried about what's going to happen to demand for U.S. agricultural goods from China. Well, why should we have to buy agricultural goods from other countries? Why can't we just buy them at home?
SPEAKER 16 :
We can.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that should step in and suck up any of this.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 09 :
The missing demand. It shouldn't be a problem.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right. Okay, so a question. And I didn't look. I'm sorry. I should have this on the tip of my tongue, and I don't. When's the next Fed meeting?
SPEAKER 09 :
The next SED meeting is next week. It's next week.
SPEAKER 16 :
Any predictions as to what they do?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think they're going to hold with a bias toward cutting rates again.
SPEAKER 16 :
In other words, they're going to sit on the sidelines once again.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, they're going to sit on the sidelines once again. I believe they meet again in two weeks.
SPEAKER 16 :
They meet in August then, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
And then they meet again in July. And they skip August.
SPEAKER 16 :
Is that what it is? I can't remember.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it's two months every quarter.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Yeah, you're right. So they meet again. So it's June 17th to 18th, and it's just a little over a month. About five weeks later, they do July 29th through 30th, and they skip August.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, that's correct.
SPEAKER 16 :
So your prediction is, will they do a rate cut in July or no?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think you've got a good shot at a rate cut in July.
SPEAKER 16 :
They'll wait for the second half of the year, then, is what you're saying.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct. So far, the only place I've seen a whole lot of or anything really about inflation starting to show up is in shoe prices. The stories I've seen is about 10%. That's about a 2% weighting in the CPI index. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 16 :
Gotcha. Okay, good to know. Well, you're the guy. You keep track of it. I appreciate it very much, and thanks for all that you do. Scott, how do folks find you?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, sure. See Scott Garlis on LinkedIn, Twitter, or Substack.
SPEAKER 16 :
You're awesome, Scott. Appreciate your advice all the time.
SPEAKER 09 :
John, thanks so much for your time. You betcha, man.
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Welcome to today's episode of the Best Stocks Now show, where we analyze the day in markets while Bill Gundersen takes a quick break. Our host today, Barry Kite, offers a deep dive into economic trends on this midweek market lull. Explore notable movements in the Nasdaq, S&P 500, and Dow Jones amid a relative path of stabilization. We'll also discuss how diverse factors like U.S.-China relations and nuclear energy stocks contribute to this relative stillness.
SPEAKER 04 :
He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
SPEAKER 02 :
Good morning and welcome to the Wednesday, June 4th edition of the Best Docs Now show. I am Barry Kite, planner and analyst here at Gunderson Capital Management, sitting in for Bill today as he's taking an early flight back from the West Coast to land here so he can get some work done in today. But from a market perspective, we've got a bit of a quiet day in terms of market movement. We've got the Nasdaqs down seven points. That's barely 0.03%. And we've got the S&P 500 up 1.5%. That would be 0.026%. We've got the Dow Jones up nine points today at 42,529. That's barely moving. We've got crude oil up 0.4%. That's 27 cents a barrel. Gold barely moving up $5 at 0.15% in the green. And then Bitcoin also down 1%, which is basically a non-move for that as well. And if we can get some, let's see, we'll get the treasury, see if we get some movement. Not much down seven basis points to the good, 4.4% on the 10-year treasury. So And good morning and welcome to the Wednesday, June 4th edition of the Best Stocks Now show. I'm your host, Barry Kite, planner and analyst here at Gundersen Capital Management, sitting in for Bill today. And it looks like Bill picked a good time to do some traveling. Pretty quiet out there, Jeff. What's your take?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, yeah. It seems like everything is kind of like a midweek lull here to see... You know, kind of a rest from the earnings season that's winding down, and we'll see what happens.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, it feels like it's funny. There's a lot of news, a lot of cross-currents, and, you know, basically it seems like it's all netting out to close to zero, at least for today. So, you know, it's kind of when you look at the – I was looking at the stories – Putting the show together this morning, it looked kind of almost like a Wheel of Fortune kind of day. Just spin the wheel and we'll, you know, whatever topic we land on, whether it's economics, trade, earnings, even had some... some some ceo uh pay news in the in the in the mix so uh just uh good news is in this business if you don't if you don't like one day just wait uh wait another because it could be uh you know likely going to be completely different so i mean we've got what u.s we get u.s china relations We've got, of course, Ukraine and Russian relations. We've got Elon Musk and President Trump relations in the news. We've got some economic data in the form of some employment figures. We've got some PMI manufacturing and service information from around the globe. We've got a few earnings to cover, and I know Jeff's got some work on that. We'll hit... in the second part of the show and so you know today we've got a little bit of a smorgasbord of everything out there so before we get kind of too far ahead of ourselves you know yesterday ended with you know gains across the major all the major indices I think we were kind of market kind of started out slow today but finished well primarily fueled by the move you know really AI An increased demand for power kind of drove the narrative yesterday with Meta and that Constellation Energy deal, which is interesting as diving a bit deeper into that. It's really the first deal of its kind involving a, quote-unquote, producing nuclear power plant. Microsoft, as we mentioned yesterday, too, of course, had to deal with. constellation, the kind of restarting reactor at Three Mile Island, of course, that one isn't currently producing power. So, you know, just be interesting to see how, you know, obviously power is highly regulated industry, very, you know, price sensitive, particularly when you come to uh, individual customers, not commercial customers. So it'll be interesting to see how, um, you know, what comes online, how much of that power, new power ends up, right. Uh, say powering AI versus, uh, you know, powering our, uh, AC, uh, air conditions down here in the South.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, um, interesting Barry, those, uh, all those nuclear energy stocks started off really strong yesterday morning with, uh, you know, kind of riding that momentum of the, uh, constellation energy meta deal. And then, you know, I was noticing some of the ones that are favorite talk low and any SMR, a new scale, they all kind of tailed off towards the, uh, the end of the day. Um, not exactly certain what happened there, but, um, I'm like, okay, I thought it was going to be a pretty strong overall day for those guys, but they all ended up falling off a bit.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, it's kind of interesting to me in terms of we used to think, especially if you go back to some of your old finance books or just probably even in a Series 7 reading, going through some of that stuff. You know, utilities in the past have always been kind of the sleepy, you know, safe companies, defensive companies to own, right? You're literally, you know, a lot of times we're just clipping a dividend versus, you know, much capital appreciation. And, you know, you kind of flip that. uh over the last you know say three or two to three years and it's just been amazing in terms of you know i think some of that in embedded volatility particularly in the nuclear names because they are going to be more uh longer duration right so anything you know kind of a background anything longer duration is obviously going to have more risk because those earning streams are coming further and further and you know into the future and so interest rates play a big part of uh of that equation. So they have more risk, usually a higher P.E., but I think it's something that's been adopted by traders. It seemed one of those things in any of those assets or asset classes, sectors that have a good bit of volatility in them. Of course, traders will kind of flock to that because you want you know, something with some activity. And, yeah, I don't know if it's some of those intraday gains, right, some of those short-term traders, you know, kind of bailed out and took some profits and, you know, went home and took the family out to eat or what. Overall.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, any investor in that, you know, when you look at the Oculus, the Internees, and the SMRs, it's almost like you're a venture capitalist because, again, they don't have, products and revenues that they're actively shipping for the most part. And so you're kind of betting on where things are going to be with those guys, you know, three to five years out.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, I equate some of it and throw the quantum computing in the mix, too. It's kind of like the new biotechs, right? Those, you know, to me, those certainly the SMRs and the OCLOs, you know, the kind of portable or smaller reactors and, you know, throw in some quantum computing. Those are kind of that new biotech realm where, you know, either they're going to nail it or fall by the wayside, right? So a lot of execution risk there. And, you know, the market yesterday finished pretty strong. I mean, you had the S&P was up 0.6%, pushing towards 6,000. We'll see. 5,900 has been a bit of a – that range has been a bit of a hard for it to punch through, but we'll see. I mean, we're sitting at 5,978 at the moment, so about 22 points away from that kind of good round number of 6,000. We had the NASDAQ ended yesterday up 0.8%, and then we had Dow up 0.5%. Most of that driven, like we said, by the news with Meta and Constellation Energy deal. And then also we had a good jolts number, job openings number. Of course, we'll get into what the ADP report looked like today. But as of looking back at yesterday, of course, we keep hearing economists are waiting for the data to soften up, right, or for the data to begin showing some kind of downturn. And, of course, yesterday, Job openings actually, you know, surprise to the upside, grew 7.39 million versus I think it was 7.1 was kind of that consensus number. So it's good. I mean, in terms of, you know, wages remained pretty strong. I think I saw where wage growth for folks at jobs was in that, you know, above the 4% range. So you're getting some, quote-unquote, real wage growth still, right, in terms of where inflation is, or at least where they say inflation is. Maybe not our own personal inflation rates, but if you've been eating eggs all the time for the last three months, your inflation rate might be higher than some of the other categories there. I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
My favorite breakfast spot, Waffle House, is still charging me – a 50-cent parade premium, you know, to have the hash brown scramble out there.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, can't get away from them nickel and dime. The prices, they go up, they rarely go down. So we're just getting started here on the first part of today's Best Docs Now show. We'll be right back and look forward to what's going on today. Good morning and welcome back to the Wednesday, June 4th edition of the Best Docs Now show. I am Barry Kite, planer analyst here at Gunderson Capital, taking the wheel for Bill today as he's traveling back from the West Coast. And we also have Jeff Webster, as usual, helping me along. Jeff's the advisor here at Gunderson Capital Management and If you ever want to give Edie a call, and certainly you'll end up chatting with one of us. Always happy to help any way we can. You can always reach her at 1-855-611-BEST. It's 855-611-BEST, or you can always reach us through the website at GundersenCapital.com. But it looks like the markets have kind of gotten their wings to the upside a bit with at least a little bit more movement than when we started the show. Jeff is pretty stagnant, but we've got the Dow up. 37 points, just up about 0.1%. S&P is up almost 10 points today. NASDAQ is leading the way up 0.18%. We've got gold bouncing back a little bit from yesterday. We've got that 3,365. In terms of the market, a little quiet, but we'll take the green on the screen for sure. As Bill mentioned yesterday a lot in the live trading notes, You know, really anything affiliated with data centers, you know, led the markets, whether it was semiconductors, AI infrastructure, energy. And, of course, one note is NVIDIA took back the most valuable company tag. I haven't looked and see if it still has it at the moment. But, you know, yesterday... NVIDIA ended with a market cap of $3.446 trillion. And Microsoft ended the day at worth just $3.441 trillion. So I can't move my decimal place that much, but, you know, .005 of a trillion. Jeff, I'm guessing maybe that's $5 billion. I don't know. We'll have to look it up. But who knows? Depending on it's a neck and neck race right now at the moment between Microsoft and NVIDIA. And, you know, NVIDIA is kind of a newcomer to this whole group. Obviously, you had what Microsoft and. Apple, and then you had LVMH, which is the Louis Vuitton brand and a number of other brands. Over in Europe, that were kind of the three largest. You had Aramco one time, too, I think before they did some kind of split or what have you. But, you know, pretty interesting in terms of just, you know, when you look at these numbers, I guess what, NVIDIA took over Apple in November of 2024. Then the first time I think it topped both of them was in June 2024 where it topped both Microsoft and Apple. So, yeah. We've got a quick number here. The shares are up 1,500% over the last five years, Joe. So not a bad five-year holding period there on that one. Last 12 months, up just a measly 22% over the last 12 months. Yeah. Yeah, right. I will say it is kind of interesting. Now that we're wrapped up, pretty much wrapped up the first quarter of earnings season mostly, really coming across one of the best examples, as Bill always says, NVIDIA, number one, being one of the best examples of all time that stock prices follow earnings. specifically earnings expectations right and um you know kind of as we kind of wind down this earning season and kind of see where where things land and of course you know bill's tracking that in the newsletter every week in terms of s&p earnings and earnings growth expectations but um you know no surprise really that a lot of the earnings are coming from the the magnificent seven so As a reminder, still listed as the seven. You could probably take one out and maybe add another one here and there if you'd like. It's Tesla, Apple, NVIDIA, Meta, Microsoft, Amazon, and Alphabet, a.k.a. Google. And through Q1, year-over-year earnings growth compared to the other 493 out there, they had year-over-year earnings growth of 27.7% from the Magnificent Seven. which was three times higher than the combined growth of the other 493. So I think the other 493, if you average them together, was about a 9.4% earnings growth rate. And then of these seven companies, they had a 27.7%. uh, average growth rates. So, uh, just interestingly enough, obviously those are the ones that have been, you know, driving the market over, uh, you know, over the, the, the longterm. Um, but when you, you know, you can look at, see how, uh, you know, tough markets have had it, you know, say this year, you know, just in terms of whether it's volatility or just where they started and where they ended, um, Tesla's actually down 12%, I think year to date, Apple is down over 18% year-to-date. Other laggards, Google down 11% year-to-date. Amazon down 5%. Um, the ones in the positive are going to be meta, which is just, you know, had a great year, uh, almost 15%. Microsoft's up almost 10% on the year. And then Nvidia with the up and down, uh, you know, tariffs and, uh, and, and, and, you know, export restrictions to China up five and a half percent. So, um, you know, been a, uh, been an interesting, when you look at the, you know, magnificent seven, I haven't looked at them all together in a while since, uh, what since the the craze of a year and a half or so ago some of the lusters came off of it but still a uh still a huge driver those seven companies in terms of you know driving future earnings growth for uh for the s&p 500 so pretty amazing when you look at those numbers
SPEAKER 03 :
I think Bill's feedback was, in California, he was looking at all the vehicles that are out there driving around, and he said that a good percentage of those are electric vehicles powered by Tesla.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, no matter what the headlines say, what folks in various sides of the aisle think of Elon.
SPEAKER 03 :
I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast. He had Aaron Rogers, you know, the, uh, the great quarterback on there with them saying that, you know, a lot of those people, um, they, you know, they're, they're not in favor of what Elon's doing and stuff like that, but they, so they're taking the badges off of their Teslas because they don't want, uh, some crazy folks to come and set their vehicle on fire. But, uh, I thought that was kind of funny. It's like, yeah, I like the product.
SPEAKER 02 :
But product-wise, it's still kind of the best in class, at least most of all in that space, and was certainly an early entrant into the space as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, yep. And we, of course, here in Charleston, we see a lot of those Tesla – missile trucks driving around.
SPEAKER 02 :
I'm surprised at the number of cyber trucks I see here and in all different various color patterns. I've seen a few different ones here that I haven't seen anywhere else. I'm sure Elon appreciates that. We'll get into a few more of those stories and we'll highlight some earnings coming up here on the second half of the Best Docs Now show. We'll be right back.
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We've got to get together sooner or later.
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Hello and welcome back to the second half of the Wednesday, June 4th edition of the Best Docs Now show. I'm Barry Kite, Planner Analyst here at Gundersen Capital, serving as Relief Captain for Bill this morning. I also have Jeff Webster joining me on the show today. Jeff, as you all know, is an advisor here at Gundersen Capital Management. Of course, if you want to stay up to date with our thoughts, Bill's thoughts on the market, you can get Bill's newsletter at GundersenCapital.com or If you'd like to have a discussion with Jeff or myself about your portfolio allocation, any planning issues you may have out there, feel free to give us a call, 855-611-BEST. That's 855-611-2378. Always here to be a resource and help any way we can. Looks like, you know, market-wise, looks like the market's helping out a little bit here. We've got NASDAQ, all the major indices up over 0.2% at the moment. So we've got a little momentum out there. But, you know, as we kind of... Look at the market on a daily basis. We've got a number of balls in the air when it comes to market moving news. Sometimes it feels like there's more balls out there, and some are more important than others, certainly. But, of course, none of them are really bigger than really the U.S.-China trade, ongoing negotiations or trade. at least i hope negotiations maybe uh you know jeff maybe it's ongoing ongoing disagreements would be a better way to phrase uh uh describe the the current state of uh you know kind of the u.s uh china uh back and forth but uh looks like uh you know this kind of i remember the words i think some of the chinese used uh you know what maybe a month or two ago and talk talk talk in terms of using rhetoric in a respectful manner or something. Do you remember when that was kind of part of what China wanted? And maybe this is it. I mean, I think at 2 a.m., around 2 a.m., President Trump put out a truth social meeting or message, and it said, this is a quote, I like President Xi of China, always have and always will, But he is very tough, and this last part's all in caps, very tough and extremely hard to make a deal with.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think I saw a Chinese press release with the same verbiage about President Trump. They just switched it out? Yeah, two tough business guys that, you know, they like each other, but they both push a hard bargain, right? But I don't know. I like I'll put my chip on on Trump, I think, on this one.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. When I look at it. Yeah, when I look at it, you know, I think, you know, the good news is, right, when I read the message, right, it kind of, I don't know, it seemed kind of in the back of my head that part about, you know, respectful message, whatever, right? And this, you know, I think this is, you know, I think this is really more of a respectful message than anything else. And it looks like, you know, you've gotten some senior White House officials have kind of on Monday were talking about that they expect, say, Trump and Xi to talk this week. So we'll see where that goes. But of course, the bottom line, as we've said, it really comes down to for the Chinese, access to semiconductors. And for the U.S., it's kind of coming around to really access to some of the rare earth minerals. Um, of course, uh, you know, I guess what we started yesterday signed in the, uh, um, you know, the, the, the tariffs of 50% increase on, uh, increased tariffs on steel and aluminum. And of course, on the other side of that, that, uh, you know, we've been, been hearing that, uh, for whatever reason or however, you know, whether it's intentional or just, uh, how long it takes them to go through their approval process, um, Those rare earths are trickling, if anything, out of China at the moment. Don't forget, I think they hold roughly 70% to 75% of the total rare earth minerals, quote-unquote rare earth minerals. But the real key to me is 90% of the world's refining of these minerals are done in China. are done actually done in china so um it's not only not only mining the stuff it's also refining it and uh you know they've cornered the market on it and really kind of kind of closed that market cornered it and i believe they kind of started around the mid 90s but um so that's where we are yeah i was going to say you think about you think about what's going on with china so
SPEAKER 03 :
As it relates to earnings announcements, you look at the dollar companies, Dollar General and Dollar Tree. Both posted good results. However, they're getting hurt in the markets because their outlooks were not good, because they're concerned about how the tariffs are going to impact their ability to import the goods that they have on their shelves. And so, you know, again, that's another implication of, you know, how we're interacting with the folks and companies in China. It's impacting, you know, kind of bread and butter companies here in the U.S. as it relates to, you know, their outlooks.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, right, and that's what I think we talked about on Monday, some of the interesting earnings reports. And, yeah, it was the dollar, what, dollar general and what, dollar tree. I think dollar tree came out this morning. This morning, yeah. And I think theirs is a little, I think theirs is a bigger miss maybe on one side.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, they had a surprise. They said it was a little bit of a surprise, but I think, again, they're getting hurt on Outlook from what I'm seeing. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
And one of the benefits of trade, right, and not just trade with China, but just when you look at it from an economics perspective over the years, kind of from an educational perspective, I mean, you know, trade is, you know, you always weigh the benefits to trade, right? And there was, you know, the thing is, as consumers, we have been able to, You know, one of the benefits of trade, particularly with China, is we've imported, you know, deflation, if you will, right? In terms of, you know, that plastic table that you might have, you know, grown up with that was out on the patio, right? Now, what it would have cost, you know, years ago, nowadays, right? You can go pick up a patio, you know, patio set for, you know. Fifty bucks sometimes, a plastic, right? So the point being is you've imported a bunch of deflation. Like I said, I happened to be in a dollar tree. I think it was a dollar tree. Um, you know, a few, a couple of weeks ago and, you know, I was amazed, right. At, you know, kind of the prices of stuff, you know, inside the, uh, inside the place. Right. Um, you know, and so then I'm thinking, okay, you know, those prices would, you know, certainly significantly, um, you know, change potentially if, you know, some of this doesn't get worked out. So I was interested in seeing, you know, some of their, of course, you know, the CrowdStrike, you know, CrowdStrike's going to get a lot more headlines. Yeah. And a lot more activity, obviously a name we own. um at the firm but uh you know i was really interested particularly on the dollar tree side because like i said that's the one place i went into and it's been a while since i've been inside one of those things but there is i mean everything you want didn't matter what aisle it was we were grabbing you know grab some uh you know graduation balloons right we're you know some streamers i mean if i would have bought what we bought at party city right we would have you know it
SPEAKER 03 :
As it relates to CrowdStrike, Barry, let's take a minute and talk about that. I mean, again, they posted a beat. However, they're getting hurt by Outlook. And everyone's stating that they're now beginning to maybe pay the price for what happened almost a year ago with the big outage that impacted all the airlines and things like that. But what's ironic is more than 20 analysts out there, Barry, have actually... Increased their price target? Right. Their price target. Now, I would value your perspective as our CFA here. Some of them... Upgraded the price target, however, or moved it up, but they downgraded their rating. It seems a little contrarian there. Help us understand why they would increase their target price, but they downgraded it from a ratings perspective. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, I'm saying it makes me think that, you know, one of them, you know, they rounded up and the other one rounded down, right? You know, maybe they're right in the middle. I don't know. But, yeah, so the key, you know, kind of the key here is, you know, to me it's the earnings game, right? We mentioned it yesterday on the show with, you know, Bill was like, who knows what, you know, how the market's going to react, right, to CrowdStrike's earnings. And the reason being is, I mean, you look at it, okay, beat on the top line and then on earnings, right? They beat by 11 cents. They were supposed to get 66 cents a share. They got 73. But their revenue, they missed by $0.01 billion, which now equates into whatever drop we have in the stock today. And a lot of that's on that forward guidance, as you mentioned, Jeff. We'll finish up some CrowdStrike comments when we get back, and we'll look at some more under the hood and see what's going on.
SPEAKER 09 :
You got to go where you want to go, do what you want to do with it, do whatever you want to do.
SPEAKER 02 :
And welcome back to the June 4th edition of the Best Docs Now show. I am Barry Kite, planer analyst here at Gunderson Capital, finishing up things for Bill today. And we've got Jeff Webster on the show, advisor here at the firm. And it looks like we're going to get out of here with a bit of a, you know, gave back a little bit of the gains, but we're still in the green. Pretty much all the major industries are up there. slightly up 0.1%, but all are in the green, so we'll take that. Talk about, get back to the earnings game for a minute. It's such a crapshoot in terms of what the market wants. The market at certain times is certainly a fashion show, and I had a finance professor years ago that made the point that stock prices are driven by supply and demand. And so some days in the market, especially when you've got a... He also said it's a zero-sum game. For every winner, there's a loser, which I was trying to figure out that meaning. On one side of the trade, you may have a loser. When someone's doing good, someone's doing bad. But I still haven't pieced that one fully together yet, but that was years ago. I'm still working through that one. But, you know, the other piece in terms of, you know, supply and demand, I mean, you look at CrowdStrike, I look at their numbers, right? You know, they beat, what, 11 cents, you know, more than expected. They were expected .66, and they came in 11 cents higher. So what is that a beat of? 17%. Yeah, yeah. And then, of course, on the other end, right, the revenue numbers. So, you know, ideally you want to be on top and bottom line. They missed the bottom line. And they missed it, like I said, by they were supposed to get, I think it came in at $1.1 billion, which, by the way, is a 20% year-over-year increase from last year. but it came short of the $1.11 billion estimate. So I'm like, okay, $0.01 billion. And then obviously there was some revenue, the revenue range going forward, but it wasn't that far off. And then you looked at the stock, it was down 7%, 8% in the pre-market today, right? And of course now... I think it's kind of buoyed itself a little bit, but down 4.4%. But it just goes to show you sometimes how some of these companies can never be good enough. But I've continued to hear stuff on the software end. Obviously, the software end in terms of AI is the one that's kind of most under potentially change of getting disrupted. particularly writing code. And so, you know, that's, you know, some of that, I think some of that, discounting some of those names has to do with some of that execution risk that may not be here now, but it may be here, you know, two years from now.
SPEAKER 03 :
A couple of other mentions on the tech side, Guidewire, which makes a vertical software-as-a-service SaaS product for property casualty insurance companies. They've put out some good earnings. They're up today. I mean, they spent most of May, from a stock perspective, kind of testing their resistance level, and it has broken out. It's up almost 20% today. In the financial space, health equity, which a lot of companies use them to manage their – Flexible Spending and High Yield Saving, or what do you call the HSA accounts?
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, yeah, your HSAs.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, HSAs and then the Flexible Spending. Yep, they came out with some good results as well. They're up 9.4% today. And then who doesn't like a fire engine? This is a company that I wasn't real familiar with, but Rev Group. which makes a variety of fire engines, but they also have a line of recreational vehicles for folks that get out there. I mean, Fleetwood, American Coach, Lance. they put together a great earnings report as well.
SPEAKER 02 :
And, gosh, Gary, they're up over 16%. Wow, yeah. When you said the fire engines, I was thinking, got me thinking, talk about, you know, in kind of the we'll weave on, Uncertainty, right? I think uncertainty in the market, and we had some Fed speakers yesterday speaking of the key word was uncertainty. And I think if I asked you, Jeff, what the kind of word of the year has been from a market standpoint, and you can't say tariff, then uncertainty right would be would be pretty far up there but um i had there's a company i can't remember the symbol but they were in a uh in time this was it was kind of an analyst uh um test if you will and it was it had to do was a uh ambulance helicopter company right so company um you know they do life flights things of that nature yeah it's probably amr Yeah, well, when it was publicly traded, well, it literally had one of the widest array of earnings numbers. And it was simply because it was so unpredictable in terms of trying to determine how many, say, vehicle accidents there were going to be. Obviously, they have to be ones that are going to be worse enough to include, you know, potentially need a life flight. And, you know, when you did all the math, right, to determine what an earnings estimate would be, right, I mean, they were, you know, the range was, you know, hugely wide, right? And so the company always traded at a lower multiple simply because it was almost impossible to determine how their earnings path was going to be from year to year or from quarter to quarter. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Some of these... Well, what's crazy, those ambulance rides, I mean, what's really ironic is this morning, just before the show, I paid two ambulance bills for my elderly father. They're in Denver, Colorado, and both of those bills were close to $2,000 to transport him five miles from his living facility to... you know, to the hospital, he fortunately was fine. Um, and it was, it's just ironic that, that you mentioned that because I like, well,
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, 90 minutes ago, I was paying two bills. Well, and then work reimbursements. Yeah, work reimbursements to those life flights into the mix, right? And then you get a whole different array of uncertainty. So it's, you know, I think, you know, in the markets and what we've seen kind of this year, certainly, you know, kind of has been uncertainty. And I think, you know, as time goes, usually with markets, right, as time goes by, I think we're going to get, you know, continue to get a bit of uncertainty. More and more certainty as we go along. Hopefully, I think that's what we're all shooting for. To stay up to date with our thoughts on the markets, get Bill's newsletter, Live Trading Trial at GundersenCapital.com. Or if you'd like to have a discussion with Jeff or myself about your portfolio allocation, give us a call, 855-611-BEST. 855-611-2378. Ask for Edie and we'll be happy to chat. Hope you have a great day, everyone. Bye now.
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In this blistering third hour of Rush to Reason, John Rush pulls no punches. From Boulder’s confused response to the firebomb attack to the absurdity of Pride Month product placement, John rips into the cultural double standards and political cowardice plaguing our institutions. He challenges the activist judges giving leniency to radicals, highlights the Target turnaround from rainbow gear to USA gear, and sounds the alarm on unchecked immigration and judicial rot. There’s no sugar-coating here—just sharp truth and hard questions about where America is headed if we don’t change course soon.
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All right, welcome. Happy Tuesday, everybody. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and it's a little rainy today. A little bit. A little bit. We'll take it. It was beautiful last night. Is your lawn, like, green like Ireland? Mine is. Yeah, almost to the point where, not to get off track here right off the bat, but almost to the point where, for those of you listening, if you notice it's not the deep, dark shade of green, that typically means you're starting to run out of fertilizer, which, given all the rain we've had, if you fertilized earlier in the year, say middle to end of March, that could very well be the case. It's getting about time. Yeah, it's about time for another dose.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now, what kind would you recommend? Just good old-fashioned lawn fertilizer.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm one of those for those. I probably should talk about this on Fix-It Radio at some point. I like just the regular old organic stuff here locally. You can get that at co-ops. You can get Rich Lawn Turf food at a lot of lawn and garden centers. Don't go out and spend a bunch of money on the Scott stuff. That's great, and they've got some of it with the weed killer and stuff in it, but you spend a lot of money for that when you frankly don't need to. Okay. In fact, most of the other organics, I call them organics, but the fertilizers that aren't the Scots brand that typically are more organic in nature, you'll find them more formulated for what we have here in Colorado versus other parts anyways.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, what about the fact that we're coming into rising heat? Because we're going to be coming into the 90s here very shortly. Is there any problem between being in the 90s and fertilizers?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, because the healthier the lawn is, the less water it typically needs. I kind of figured. I just wasn't sure. What you have to be careful of is not putting down too much and not being able to water it because it's super hot. That is a factor. But if you've got some cushion, which we do right now, putting it down, getting it watered in really well, and then letting it take hold, no, you're fine.
SPEAKER 07 :
Do you raise your mower up a little?
SPEAKER 03 :
Right now, highest it can go.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
This time of the year, hottest it can go. Now, you don't have to with the rain we've had, but to your point, the heat's coming. Yeah, you don't want to cut it low. No, I just keep it as tall as possible.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
As high as that mower will go, I raise it all the way to the top and keep it long. Does it look nice or short? Yes, it does.
SPEAKER 07 :
Do you get big wheels like Monster Truck and really have it high?
SPEAKER 03 :
Mine, I have to do a ride on, so it's a little different. Oh, okay. But any of them will go high enough to where, and I'm just one where you just use less water and so on, the higher it is. And now, depending upon whether you bag it or you mulch it or whatever, depends on how often you mow and all that. That's a whole other conversation.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, I'm going to divert from lawns for just a moment here. Cars. In extreme heat, do you change your oil more?
SPEAKER 03 :
No. Makes no difference. Keep it on the same schedule the way the oil is formulated, not a problem.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, internal combustion, you're already at max heat.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
But I just wasn't sure.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nope. You do exactly your same intervals you would do all year long.
SPEAKER 07 :
And there's nothing different you do with your car at all.
SPEAKER 03 :
Anymore with modern cars used to be you did a lot of things different in the summertime. Not anymore.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, those days are pretty much gone. The average age of the fleet's 13 years of age or so. So if you think about what age of vehicle that is, we're into the, you know, 2010 or so, even 15 years old. So if you think about how new, you know, theoretically cars are in comparison to looking at what cars were in 2010 versus today. Yeah, they're pretty modern at that point.
SPEAKER 07 :
What's the big difference that they've done in cars now that makes them able to handle the different seasons so equally?
SPEAKER 03 :
Over the years, things like, of course, fuel injection, and now we have direct injection, and then automatic overdrive transmissions, and, and, and. They've just got a lot of things more in sync with how things operate and work than what it was when I started in the industry back in the 70s, where most every car overheated in the summertime and went up the hill. Yeah, constantly. Huge difference from then to today. Learned a lot in those amount of years. Let's just say that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I mean, last year, remember when we had that big string of 90s and even crossing over 100? I did see a lot of cars pulled off the side of the road.
SPEAKER 03 :
People that still don't do proper maintenance, changing the cooling out like they should and so on. Oh, yeah, Andy, those extreme heats are hard on cooling systems, air conditioning systems, of course, and batteries.
SPEAKER 07 :
And it's especially worse if you have to go up the mountain.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Why? Because you're revving it harder.
SPEAKER 03 :
And there's less air to move through the radiator itself. Keep in mind, as you go up. Right. Thinner air. Thinner air. So there's not as much to move through.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
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Exactly. Good to know. You're on target. Absolutely. All right. Yesterday's impossible question of the day. What were the names or what are the names of Kim Kardashian and Yay West kids? Charlie got one right. North, Saint, Chicago, and Psalm. Those are the names of his kids.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, honestly, I hate it when these stars give their kids stupid names.
SPEAKER 03 :
Chicago. Hey, Chicago, get over here.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's idiotic. Really, it is. You're naming your kid Chicago or North or Saint or Psalm. Come on, man. Give them normal names.
SPEAKER 03 :
The last name is West, so Northwest, Saint West, Chicago West, and Psalm West.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. But you see, here's the thing. you're giving your kid almost no chance at a normal life.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, seriously. Those two, is there any normalcy anyways?
SPEAKER 07 :
I know there's no normalcy to begin with. I get it. But you just took them another step.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you did. You're right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, they're already starting out with this as their parents.
SPEAKER 03 :
Name the kid Joe or John or Andy or something like that, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Something normal. Not Charlie.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, that's crazy. Charlie might know this. I'm assuming... I can't tell what genders those names are. Is North a boy or a girl, Charlie? Charlie's not sure. Yeah, I think they do, too. I think there's both boys and girls, but I don't know which name goes with which, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, yeah, it's a boy. Northwest is a boy. Northeast would be a girl. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
gotcha okay okay good it's all very political good to know okay what's the question today over the long term too much of this hormone can create stress in your body leading to more inflammation more inflammation and increasing your blood pressure name the hormone i'll give you that tomorrow on health and wellness wednesday would it be sexist for me to say estrogen I know that's not the answer, but would it be sexist for me to say estrogen? No, men and women both have that. I know we do. So there you go. Okay. Yeah, I'll answer that tomorrow, by the way, as we come back for Health and Wellness Wednesday. Just a preview for tomorrow, by the way, which I don't think I've ever done a show on this. I've got an expert coming on tomorrow that's actually going to talk about summer and peer pressure and too much drinking and, and, and, which I don't think I've ever done that before, Andy. And I've got a former athlete, star athlete, that's going to come on and talk about all of that tomorrow. For those of you listening, you may want others that you know, not you, but maybe you've got others you'd like to have join in tomorrow and listen in at 3.30.
SPEAKER 07 :
What do you mean? The peer pressure of drinking at the beach?
SPEAKER 03 :
Or parties or whatever. The spring break phenomenon? Or just getting together during the summer months and so on. That peer pressure can be huge. It's not for me, but... I never got into that. Well, a lot of us didn't. I was quite the introvert. I was too busy working and doing other things, so that was never a real issue for me. But I'm an oddball.
SPEAKER 07 :
I just picture you at the beach in a full suit.
SPEAKER 03 :
I love the beach. No, and I'm not wearing a suit either.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm not wearing a full suit. No. I don't like being hot.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, okay. Your favorite drink by the pool. What is it? Oh, man.
SPEAKER 03 :
What's your wife's? Probably an Arnold Palmer. Arnold Palmer.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
For me. My wife's? I don't know. That's a great question. It's got to be something frou-frou. It varies. For her, it really varies a lot on what's going on.
SPEAKER 07 :
How many women will just drink a beer? A normal beer? That's a great question. I mean, almost none. It's got to be some kind of a fruity kind of thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
I am guessing that, yeah, I would say that you're correct on that statement right there. All right. I would hardly guess that your average lady is going to be by the... I'll shut up. I'll get in trouble if I say something.
SPEAKER 07 :
You don't see many women by the pool and a keg.
SPEAKER 03 :
Usually not, although I would say that's probably one of those things that has changed over time, Andy. All right, we're going to come back. We've got lots to talk about today. We're going to recap a little bit of even what happened. Andy didn't get a chance yesterday because I was on by myself, of course, to chime in to the things that happened in Boulder on Sunday. And then we've got some other fun discussions as well. So hang tight. We'll come right back. Dr. Scott Faulkner coming up next. And he is my doctor. He could be yours as well. And again, he's one of those guys where if you just have a question of, hey, Scott, I'm thinking about X, Y, Z. All you have to do is send a text message or phone him and he will answer that question. That's what it's like having him as a doctor versus probably the doctor you have now. 303-663-6990.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. And, Andy, the situation happened on Sunday, which, again, I continue to read to see if anybody has passed away from that. Thankfully, no one has. There's some folks that will definitely have. A different life moving forward because of their injuries and so on, which I talked about some of that yesterday. Right. And this particular gentleman will be charged with attempted murder and things along those lines, as he should be, by the way. And the reality is I said this yesterday. I know you agree with me. The reality is every lefty. Every news organization outside of those that are on the conservative side like us. But the majority of individuals that are on the other side of the aisle have blood on their hands in regards to this because they have created this. They have. Literally.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they have to understand this, John. Their audience, the left, is full of dangerous people. The left is dangerous. It is incredibly violent. The left is not like the right. I did a long post. I won't read it. But I broke down, you know, look, all of the violence that happens on the left is so extreme. There is so much of it. Forget about the political violence. Just look at Chicago and Baltimore every weekend. They're shot up every weekend. That's right. John, there are quite a few young Republicans in America, as you know. Trump did very well with young people. How many of them are shooting up Chicago and Baltimore?
SPEAKER 03 :
Zero.
SPEAKER 07 :
Zero. Okay. This is all the left shooting up downtown Denver, shooting up downtown Phoenix, shooting up everywhere. It is all the left that sides with the jihadists who preach world jihad, worldwide jihad. It is all the left that is preaching virtually all the killing that's going on out there. And meanwhile, we spent four years with Joe Biden telling us white supremacy was the big concern and MAGA. How many people does MAGA kill?
SPEAKER 03 :
Last I checked, none.
SPEAKER 07 :
None. You know, that we know of. I mean, the one supposedly violent event for MAGA was January 6th. The only person who was shot on January 6th was an unarmed Trump supporter. Right. And she was executed by a cop. And yes, I put it that way. Because, I'm sorry, you know, look, until she presents a mortal threat, you're not supposed to put her down. Okay, and she wasn't. But anyway, setting all that aside. Right, you're right. But here's the thing. Both sides rile up their base. We both do it. We rile up our base. They rile up their base. We get people angry on our side. They get people angry on their side. Here's the big difference. People on their side do not put life and liberty at the top of their list of priorities.
SPEAKER 03 :
Very true.
SPEAKER 07 :
They put their agendas over life and liberty. People on our side have life and liberty as their top agenda. And so when we get angry, the odds that we are going to violate other people's life and liberty are dramatically lower. But when they get angry, they'll put any agenda over it. They will burn your Tesla. They will burn your business. They will shoot you. They will kill you. They will attempt to assassinate your president or your presidential candidate. They will shoot Republicans on a baseball field. They will assault Rand Paul. You see what I'm saying here? They will shoot up every city. You'll have to board up whole cities every time they don't like a verdict. It is not the same. You people on the left, when you rile up your side, you are riling up a dangerous group of people. You cannot rile up your side. You can't do it. Your people are too dangerous. Sorry, your audience is too dangerous. What do you think, John?
SPEAKER 03 :
You're exactly right. In this particular case, the ironic thing about it is guarantee. And I don't know everybody that was in the crowd, but I guarantee you, given the crowd, where it was located and so on, that all of those individuals, if not the majority of them, Andy, were probably not Trump supporters. That would be my number one guess on that particular crowd that was marching on Sunday in Boulder. Most likely they were supporters of Israel, not necessarily MAGA Trump supporters.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, they were a blend.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. They were just a blend. That's what I would guess.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, here's another thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Meaning you attacked some of your own, is my point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, you attacked some of your own. You know, another thing, the whole race thing, white supremacy. Let me tell you something. White supremacists, and I said this in my post, there are a few people, you know, KKK white supremacists, there are a few people in a barn somewhere meeting late at night, a few crazies in a barn. A few wackos. Yeah. BLM and Antifa number in the millions.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 07 :
OK, the left. I mean, look, you've seen the polling and how many Democrats, what percentage of Democrats are OK with violence toward Tesla, Elon Musk and Donald Trump. Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's a point.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's majorities in many cases. John, these people are dangerous. So when I look at these Democrat newscasters, when I look at their leaders, AOC and all these people, I look at them and I say, you don't seem to understand. Yes, you have free speech, but your free speech has great consequences because your audience is much, much, much and 20 more muches prone to violence, more prone to violence than the other side. Absolutely. We have violence on ours, too, but it's incredibly rare. When some Christian bombs an abortion clinic, it is so unbelievably rare that Christians do any violence to an abortion clinic that the media has to multiply it a hundredfold in their coverage.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's so rare. on our side, or maybe he's even loosely affiliated with our side, does something that's just out there that isn't correct, that's wrong, guess who calls it out? Us. Yeah, we do. How often, Andy, does the other side call their folk out?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, next to never.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, can I jump into that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Go for it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. One of the things that I do, as you know, is messaging. And in doing messaging, I also study messaging of the left, and they're very good at some things. And so what I was listening for were how all these people on the left were going to respond to the Boulder terror attack. And some did call it a terror attack. We'll get to that in a moment. Right. But I'm going to list off several of these. I'm going to read their statements. And, John, I want you to tell me if you can find these words, Muslim, illegal alien.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or illegal immigrant.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because the person, the perpetrator was a Muslim illegal alien. Okay, listen closely. Ilhan Omar. Violence against anyone is never acceptable. We must reject hatred and harm in all its forms. Notice how she broadens it to everyone. Okay. No mention of who did it. AOC. I am horrified by last night's horrific attack in Boulder. My heart is with the victims and our Jewish communities across the country. Anti-Semitism is on the rise here at home, and we have a moral responsibility to confront and stop it everywhere it exists. Now, for dumb people, that sounds even-handed, right? But I'm going to show you she isn't even-handed at all. Notice she left out, once again, the identities of the person who did it. No mention of Muslim, no mention of illegal alien. Okay, let me rip through these others. Rashida Tlaib, the violent attack in Boulder is horrific. My heart goes out to all the victims and their families. Violence has no place in our communities. Jared Polis. Okay, it's a long one. I'm going to cut to the end. Several individuals were brutally attacked while peacefully drawing attention to the plight of hostages who have been held by Hamas terrorists in Gaza for 604 days. Hate is unacceptable in our Colorado for all, and I condemn this act of terror. The suspect should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Okay, last one. Phil Weiser, who may well be our next governor. Uh-huh. Okay, did you hear Muslim or illegal alien in any of those statements? No. Okay, now... Now, Democrats generalize the problem with hate, violence, anti-Semitic terror, but they won't name the attacker's group. All right. Meanwhile, Democrats have no problem directly labeling one group. Right. White supremacists. Right. Okay. Absolutely. Joe Biden, white supremacy is the single most dangerous terrorist threat in our homeland. So if this person who committed this was a white supremacist doing it to black people, would they be saying we must be against hatred and harm in all its forms? Or would they be saying this is the blight of white supremacy?
SPEAKER 05 :
Hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
They would say, this is white supremacy doing this. AOC, while criticizing Chuck Schumer. Your weakness will help build a monument to white supremacy. Phil Weiser, we just talked about him, talking about Charlottesville. Today we must call out all evil when it emerges, condemning white supremacy and hate before they have a chance to take root. Oh, so one group, white supremacists, which by the way, there are virtually none of them. They're in a barn somewhere, a few crazies in a barn. That group, if that group were to be the perpetrator in this, it would be all they would talk about. Remember Oklahoma City?
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
And by the way, the guys who did Oklahoma City, actually their political leanings were very mixed. Right. Okay. But all we heard is that this is what we must stop. It's these militia groups, these white racists and so forth. Right. Everything we heard for five years, BLM came from one white cop, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
And all we heard was we must stop the white people from doing this, white doing that, white doing this, white doing that. In all these statements that I just read, and there are dozens more, and I'll end with this. You never hear Muslim illegal alien. You never hear them label the groups of the man who actually did this. Do you see the difference?
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, too, some of you may not have seen this today. The other family members of this particular gentleman, and I won't use names because I don't want to give them any glory whatsoever, Andy, but they've been deported. Yeah. Good. I think there's five family members that the wife and kids have been deported.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, what are the chances that happens with Joe Biden in office?
SPEAKER 03 :
Zero. Kamala Harris. Zilch. Zilch. Zilcho. None. Zero. Jared Polis. Zero.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, by the way, keep in mind, we just passed a law here in Colorado to make sure that guy would be harder to get out of here. Because our law enforcement here is not to work and coordinate with...
SPEAKER 03 :
ice good point way to go polis yeah good point andy yet yet he said today i believe polis came out today and said that he's got people that he knows personally that were affected by that tragedy on uh-huh so how do you answer to them governor polis well he doesn't care i know he's an activist i know
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, the reason I say this, John, is I'm really sick of all these people thinking people like Polis are somewhere, somewhat in the middle or centrist.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, no, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
These aren't centrist at all. Jared Polis is the reason people like this, we are pulling teeth to get these people out of our country. Because all you've got to do is work with ICE. All you've got to say is, we are not a sanctuary state. ICE can simply come and get them right out of the courts. It only takes two officers. You don't have to get eight to ten and surround a home.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct. Correct. Yeah, no, anybody that thinks Jared Polis is in the middle is in for a rude awakening. Jared Polis, I've said this numerous times, I'll keep saying it, he is an absolute out-and-out Marxist, cares nothing about the United States of America, cares nothing about the state of Colorado, cares nothing about the citizenry of Colorado. He has his own agenda, and that agenda is, I dislike America. Right. Period. Period. Period.
SPEAKER 07 :
Am I right, Andy? Are you right? You are absolutely right. And let me close with this, though. For all Democrats out there, For all you Democrats out there, if this was a white supremacist or a white nationalist or a Christian nationalist or anything where you could put that label, you guys would be coming out against the evils of that group. That's right. And you would be saying the evils of that group must be stopped. You would all be saying it. But this was a Muslim, illegal alien, and all of your leaders are silent. They're saying we must stop violence in all its forms.
SPEAKER 03 :
You're right, Andy.
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The best export we have is common sense. You're listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Okay, yesterday, Andy, I was talking about – I had a particular guest we interviewed talking about Elon Musk and his most likely disappointment, discouragement even, and how slow the wheels of change, progress in Washington, D.C., and all of that, which – I can fully understand his disappointment. I get that. And do I always agree with Elon on everything? No. Those of you that listen to me for any length of time would know that there's a lot of things that Elon and I would disagree upon. And in some cases – by the way, I think what Elon did in Washington is fabulous. A lot of that work is going to continue on. I think he should be very admired, A, for what he did, the time he took to do it, the sacrifices he made, the money sacrifices even that he made in doing so. And if I were to have a conversation one-on-one with Elon, I would say, Elon, hey, guess what? You started a movement and you started some things that will most likely carry on for some time forward. So don't be so discouraged. You have started some things that will get some traction and move forward. And no, unfortunately, the corruption in Washington, D.C. is so deep that that no, we can't go in and do everything that you and I both would love to see done. I would love to see everything he wants done, done. The reality is I know that, Andy, that's just not feasibly possible right now until other changes are made in Washington, D.C.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely. And let me say two quick things. First of all, I almost wish the Republican Party were the Catholic Church because he needs to be made a saint. for what he has done.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. He's done very well.
SPEAKER 07 :
It is absolutely spectacular what he's done. But number two, like you said, the corruption in Washington, let me extend that further. The reason we have that corruption in Washington is because of the corruption in America. Those people were put there by voters and Elon is wonderful at running his company, running his area. In his world, he is God. He is king. And he can always make everything move instantly and so forth. Why? He doesn't have to worry about a Republican who is in a purple district, a Republican congressman in a purple district who barely won in New York and needs to hold that seat or Trump will lose his entire agenda. And here's my message.
SPEAKER 03 :
There's no worries there for him on that level because he doesn't play in the same world.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Here's my message, not only to Elon, but to Rand Paul, who's also not being realistic at all, to who's that idiot in the House who always votes against us? Massey. Thomas Massey. Please, someone, get him out. Please vote him out of there. Because they don't seem to understand. And let me lay it out for people who don't get this. Why can't we get it the way we want? OK, folks, I guarantee you there are 12 to 15 Republicans in the House and it's probably more like 20 to 30. OK, it could be as high as 30 who are in very competitive districts.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I'd say that's probably right. OK, 25, maybe more even. But yeah, you're right. But certainly 20 to 30 at least. Yeah. And let's just go on the low side and say it's 20.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, we'll go on the low side and say 20.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, let's say all 20 of those vote in a way that don't get them reelected, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now where are we at? Let's say they vote in a way that Elon would like. And you and I would like, by the way. And that you and I would like.
SPEAKER 03 :
We would love that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because you and I agree with Elon on everything he put through.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think the big beautiful bill is bloated as well. I'd like to see all sorts of cuts. I'd like to see Social Security revamped. There's all sorts of things, Andy, I'd like to see done. It's not going to happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. I would like to see Obamacare gone tomorrow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Me too. There's a lot of things that we do in D.C. I'd like to see changed.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And the thing is that, bottom line, folks, if they voted the way we wanted, if they put through a package the way we wanted, and all these New York congressmen, and not just New York.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, there's other places.
SPEAKER 07 :
We have people in purple districts. We've got one in the 8th here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. I was going to say, we have our own in Colorado. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
And the third. The third and the eighth are very competitive. If all these congressmen who are in these very tough districts had to go back, here's what the Democrats would do. They would run a good, well-funded moderate in each one of those and beat us in every single one of them in 2026. What does that mean? Starting in 2026, Trump has no Congress. He has no agenda. He's done. The only way we can move forward is to first take the wins that we can get in a way that helps preserve those seats.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. And that's the way the machine works, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Rand Paul, love you, man. Love you. Financially, I am Rand Paul. I am him. I might even get the hair, okay? I am Rand Paul all the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree with him 100%. I'll go even one step further, Andy. You and I are probably more... fiscally conservative, and people would say, is that even possible? Yes, it is. You and I are probably more fiscally responsible because we've never been in Washington to even hear some of the things that he's listening to. You and I, because we're fresh, are probably more to the right fiscally than even he is. It's possible. But we can't have what we want.
SPEAKER 07 :
No. We understand, look, we have to take what we can get. And people say, why do we have to settle? The Democrats never settle. Yeah, they do, actually. The Democrats have had to settle a lot. And when they overreach and do things like defund the cops, they get killed. Okay? They get slaughtered in the next election. It really hurts them. The Democrats understand, too, that they can't run people who do everything they want in every district.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, the Democrats are all upset about John Fetterman. I guarantee you he's going to be their candidate next time around, and he's going to win, even though he leans right on a lot of things.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right, and they don't like him at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, this is why the Democrats kept Joe Manchin in West Virginia all those years. The Republicans would have thrown out their equivalent of him.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the thing about Fetterman, for example, is, yes, you're right, he will get reelected, and here's why.
SPEAKER 07 :
Easily.
SPEAKER 03 :
He knows his constituents well. That's the difference, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
He knows his constituents.
SPEAKER 07 :
He knows that Donald Trump is bringing a ton of steel jobs and other jobs into Pennsylvania. And you know what he's doing? He's applauding it.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think he also, just side note, I think he's one of the few on the left that looks at his own party and says, you guys have gone too far. What a bunch of wackadoodles you guys are now.
SPEAKER 07 :
If Bill Maher were in Congress, his name would be John Fetterman.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go. Good example. Really quick, I want to go back to some of you that think, well, we ought to be able to get it our way. I always want to ask those people, Andy, because a lot of those people typically are either married or in their relationship or they've raised kids or something of that nature. And the first question I would like to ask them is, so you get everything you want in your marriage? I mean, you never have to compromise anything with your girlfriend, your spouse, your husband. You never have to sit down and compromise and not get everything you want. So you're one of those that you are a total dictator narcissist in your home, and you always get what you want.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, guys, you never have to watch a chick flick? Really? Yeah. You never had to watch while you were sleeping when you wanted to watch Con Air.
SPEAKER 03 :
Andy, if you've got kids, you never have to give up something you want to purchase because the needs of the family go before your own needs. In other words, you might buy something for Mother's Day, meaning you don't get what you wanted to put in your golf bag because you had to buy your wife, your mother of your children, something for Mother's Day. Guys, I keep going down the list. All of you demand all of these people go to Washington and get exactly what you want, but yet you're not doing it in your own life.
SPEAKER 07 :
No. And here in your own life, you are together with somebody who you chose for life. I got news for you. The majority of voters are not that person. That's right. And the voters... Look, my biggest thing right now is obviously the write-off for state and local taxes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Salt. The salt.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because we in Colorado are funding somebody who lives in New York or New Jersey. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I don't believe it'll stay at 40%. I think the Senate will chop it down to $30,000 or $20,000 instead of $40,000. Okay, but it was at $10,000, the salt write-off. And there are some people who don't know what this means. I won't go into it. Here's the bottom line. I'm just talking about compromise here. In New York... The majority, if you are a Republican congressman who just barely made it in, okay, in 2022 or whatever, in New York.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you vote against that, you're done, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
And you vote against that, you're done. But here's why, John. It's not because you're bad. It's not because Washington's corrupt. It's because a majority, a solid majority of the voters in your district want to rob Americans. They want to rob Americans. They look at Americans and they say, I want to be able to write. I know that we have much higher taxes here in New York. I want to be able to write those off my federal taxes all the way up to $40,000.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's all the state and local taxes, meaning they get the ability to take those deductions on their tax returns when most everybody else still can, but they don't have as high of deductions as what these folks would have.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, Alabama's taxes are nothing compared to New York's. Right, which means that people in both states can write off their state taxes on their federal.
SPEAKER 03 :
But the people in New York and New Jersey get a much bigger bang for their buck.
SPEAKER 07 :
In California, those places can run, they can tax their people into the ground, and they're having the rest of America help pay for it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, the rest of the world, the rest of the country is subsidizing it. Okay. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Guys, I got news for you. You're Elon Musk, or you're Rand Paul, or you're me or you. You're a Davidian here in Colorado who thinks that we should be able to get everything right now at once. Okay. Newsflash. If only. That congresswoman or congressman in New York is gone. If they do not help, their people rob you. And I know you don't like the way that sounds.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's the truth. It's truth. It's the truth, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Their voters, and I'm telling you, I'll bet it is 70 to 80 percent of the voters in their district, want to rob you.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they're happy about it. It's a great way of saying it. Okay. It's exactly what it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
And here you want them to be a purist. You want them to be Rand Paul there in Brooklyn. Okay. Their voters want to rob you. Or in Southern California. We're hoping to gain a couple seats. We'll go to break here in a moment. We're hoping to gain a couple seats in Southern California because of the fires coming up, right? There's a good chance we're going to gain a couple House seats in 26 because of the Democrats handling of the fires in Southern California. Forget that. if we don't get a good deal like the big beautiful bill.
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My whole point with a lot of you that are listening that are on the far right, and I always hate to use that term, Andy, because you and I are as well, but you and I are on the far right, but strategically in that world, knowing that there are certain things that we have to do if we're going to try to win. We have strategy when the reality is a lot of folks on the far right have no strategy. It's all or nothing. They're never willing to give in on anything, and if they do... It's on things that won't matter at the end of the day. And as I said a moment ago, yet these are the same very people that will tell you that, oh, well, when you're married, sure, you have to have compromise or you won't stay married. Right. They're willing to compromise in those areas, and they'll compromise even, Andy, if they're somebody that's a boss at work and their employees and jobs and so on. I mean, there's all sorts of things they're compromising on, and yet they don't allow their own local politician to do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, if you weren't married, would you ever watch while you were sleeping The Wedding Planner? Probably not. Pretty Woman.
SPEAKER 03 :
That one, maybe. That's a good one. That's a good movie, but... Maybe. That's a maybe. That's a different one.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. But you are married, so you're going to watch them all. Probably tonight. All at once.
SPEAKER 03 :
When you're married, you do all sorts of things that are... When you have families, when you're a dad, especially in Father's Day is coming up, and dads don't get enough credit for this, but there's a lot of things. Not all dads. I know there's some very... mean-spirited, narcissistic jerk of men, and these are not the guys I'm talking about. Good dads and good husbands understand that, you know what, I'm going to have to give some things up if I'm going to meet all the needs of my family. I'm not going to be able to have that sports car that I always wanted. I might have to wait until all the kids are grown and out of college and everything else before I can actually have that car I've always wanted. Get where I'm going with that, Andy? Oh, absolutely. And there's a lot of men that do that, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
I have to have a car that works for the family.
SPEAKER 03 :
The family, not for me personally.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. I want a sports car or I want a big truck.
SPEAKER 03 :
There's a lot of men out there. I don't want a van. There's a lot of men and women that are on that far, that Davidian side of the aisle, if you would, Andy, that are listening to me right now that have done those very things. And I commend them for doing the very things I'm talking about. Yet when it comes to politics, they won't.
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Can we talk about him in Colorado after the break?
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John, I want to talk a little bit about the big schism in Republican politics here in Colorado and how this goes back into getting everything you want. Really quick, you know there are two sides, right? You've got the mushy moderates.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which I don't like either.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I don't either. And you've got the Davidians, really. That's what they are nowadays in Colorado.
SPEAKER 03 :
The best way to call it, yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, the ones who... Everything we want right now, and if we don't get that, these are the ones who want to run Ron Hanks in purple districts. Okay? When there's absolutely no chance... I have the same problem with both sides. You know what it is? What? They ignore the market.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, that's true.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And so every two years, here's what happens. You know, an election cycle is two years. And for every two years, for the first 20 months, neither of those two groups win voters. True. To conservatism. True. And then in the last four to six months, four months, those groups attack each other about how to reach the market they have not influenced. They attack each other about how to reach the market. They have not won. Right. Okay. And so one side says, oh, my gosh, the market is so blue. It's so blue. We must compromise, compromise, compromise, compromise. And the other side says, well, now that's all pale pastels. And if you are not clear about your conservative virtues, why would they vote for you over the left? And then they get into this big thing. And both of them have a little bit of a point, but both of them are wrong because you just spent 20 months not winning anyone. You're not winning anyone. They're putting the cart ahead of the horse. They want the wins, but they don't want to earn them. It's like political welfare. They spend 20 months not winning anybody over to their side. And what do I mean? Well, where do you meet people? You know, most of it's online right now. Okay, are you convincing people online? Are you doing like Jersey Joe? Are you convincing people online to move our way? I've done it. You've done it. Joe has done it. You've got to win people over to our side. You've got to win more voters. Why? You've got to affect that market. Otherwise, you can't go into that market and say, we're going to run Ron Hanks in CD3. Ron Hanks would have gotten clobbered. He was so bad, the Democrat was running ads to help Ron Hanks in our primary. He was so awful. That's who the Davidians wanted, okay? I know. I just don't understand, John, how these people can think that we can basically ask for it all. We ask for the moon. They put out the Liberty scorecard. If you don't score high in the Liberty scorecard, you are a bad Republican. You're a rhino. Really? Anyone who would score high in that scorecard would lose in every purple district in the state. And a number of those Republicans who are left are in purple districts. What do they do? Am I making any sense here? You're making total sense. I've had it. I've had it with both sides.
SPEAKER 03 :
I have.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I'm not just going at the Davidians here. I'm also going at the moderates here, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
It goes both ways.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. You guys come at us every two years and say, oh, we've got to take it easy. We've got to go easy on this, go easy on that. We've got to accommodate, accommodate, compromise, compromise. You know what? I get it because we're in the last four months, and that's where the market is. But my question is, what were you doing the previous 20 months to win any one?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I told Andy this during the break. I would really love some way, somehow, I know this is a pipe dream on my part, but I would love to get 10, 15 of the core of the Davidians together, sit in a room, agree that nobody's going to yell, nobody's going to get their feelings hurt, nobody's going to scream. We're just going to have a nice, friendly conversation about how do we move the needle forward in Colorado together. And how do we win and lay things out on the table? Because I really would like to know what the mentality is as to your strategy to winning. And by the way, you can't come to the meeting and just say, we've got to stand on our principles and that'll get us to win. No, folks, it won't.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let me ask you a question, Mr. Business Consultant. Why is our party so blind to the market? They really believe. Look, Trump sells in some places great. He sells in the Midwest. Awesome. Trump doesn't sell here in Colorado. He sells with me. Okay. And there are elements of what he's doing that will help us in Colorado. I think his trade deals are going to help us. I think actually his work on immigration is going to help us. But other things don't.
SPEAKER 03 :
To answer your question, why do they not see it?
SPEAKER 07 :
They think that if we just preach MAGA, MAGA, MAGA, Colorado will turn around and run to us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Andy, I'm convinced. I don't know this for a fact. But I would be. I would be led to believe that the majority of these individuals run in the same circles, don't get out of that circle very much. In other words, they hang around the same people, they go to the same meetings, they go to the same churches, they go to the same areas, they hang out at the same whatever. In other words, they don't get out of their little square box very that often to really see what is the real makeup of Colorado. They're not as in tune, not saying you and I are totally in tune, but I think we pretty much are because of what we do at times, and I think we have a lot better understanding of who's out there, what are the thought processes among a lot of Coloradans, not just our side of the aisle, and then how do you strategize around that to where you can bring some of those folks onto our side onto our platform or into our platform, I should say. And I just think in a lot of cases, Andy, these are individuals that are very either A, blinded, or they just wear such rose-colored glasses. They have no idea what's really going on around them.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think you're right. I mean, these are the people who, after Roe v. Wade was overturned, what did I say when that happened? I said, this is going to be a boon for the Democrats. And it was. They slaughtered us in election after election or initiative after initiative that was dealing with abortion. It was phenomenal for them. Why? Because our side doesn't understand the market. We wanted to push through what we wanted, and I totally agree with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don't want the unborn killed.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm not disagreeing with that. But we didn't want to do the hard work of first winning the market. We just want to impose our will.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and that doesn't work out very well typically.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you tell me, does that work out in sales? If you want to impose your will on the customer rather than win the customer, how does that work?
SPEAKER 03 :
It doesn't, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Well, that's the Republican Party in Colorado.
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And we are back, finishing up this first hour. Two more hours coming your way, by the way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Tony Delgado, by the way, will be joining us at 4 o'clock. And we're going to talk about a lot of what we and Andy are talking about right now, which is the Hispanics in U.S. Why are they so on fire for Donald Trump? What is he doing that resonates with them? And this is an expert in that particular area, and he will give us some insight into that. The approval rating among Hispanics for Donald Trump is just soaring, and that's a good thing, by the way. Yeah. So, again, ties into a lot of what we just got done talking about in regards to the market, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
There are aspects of the Hispanic culture that are perfect for Donald Trump.
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Yep. And we're going to talk about that in a moment. Andy and I, of course, will continue on with – we've got a lot of things. We've got some quotes and some things that were talked about in regards to Ted Cruz and some other things we'll play as well. So we've got a lot still to talk about. Don't worry. Two more hours coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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All right, Hour 3, myself, Andy Pate, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Should have mentioned this a little bit earlier, but we had all sorts of other things going on. So something that's in the news, something I talked about a couple of years when this particular accident— it wasn't an accident, by the way, this murder that happened April 19, 2023— Uh, where the three men, young men were, they were up in Jefferson County, up in kind of my neck of the woods. They were on Indiana. They had done this in other areas around the Northwest part of town as well, but they were taking landscape size boulders that they were picking up from like Walmart parking lots where you see those things out in the islands and such and, And they were throwing them at oncoming vehicles. And in this particular case, they threw one. It went through the windshield of Alexa Bartell's moving vehicle. She subsequently died because of that. I passed, not daily, but I passed this spot at least weekly, if not sometimes more than once a week. And a lot of folks are still putting out What a horrifying thing to do. Oh, it's absolutely awful. Well, these three young men, two of the three have been convicted. I don't know exactly, and it's not in front of me. I think one of them was 60 years. Another one was like 47 or so years. And the ringleader, his name is Joseph Koenig. He has been sentenced to life imprisonment. in prison without the possibility of parole. So he was convicted of first-degree murder. And, again, what a tragedy, Andy. Not only a tragedy because of the loss of life of the young lady. That in and of itself is huge. Right. But now, because these were young men. The families of these young men, you now have ruined four families' lives because of the acts of what these young men did. And this guy being basically the ringleader, he essentially, and I know that takes more than one, he wasn't the only one, although he's the only one that's been convicted or that's been sentenced to life without parole, meaning he was the ringleader or that wouldn't have happened. So reality, Andy, is he's ruined four families' lives, not just one. I mean, think about his parents. Think about the other young man's parents and so on.
SPEAKER 07 :
I can't even conceive of where this guy would get in his mind. And I don't care. Well, he's a teenager. Teenagers do dumb things. No, not like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Like this. They don't.
SPEAKER 07 :
You're throwing. I mean, how big were these rocks? You shouldn't. Oh, wow. So bigger than like two softball sizes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. I think these were like 8 to 10 inches in diameter. Well, my gosh. Heavy enough that you're picking up something that's substantial. Keep in mind, they had practiced enough. This is the other thing about this. Again, I wasn't there. I wasn't at the jury trial or any of that kind of thing. But I guarantee you that the DA and those that were bringing charges against these individuals probably proved that to do this, you had to have practiced enough. prior to doing this in other words and they had they had hit other cars windshields and so on sometimes they missed sometimes they caught the corner of the glass but they had been practicing this so this wasn't something that they were just willy-nilly let's grab one rock throw it out and see what happens no they had been doing this for other nights besides this night just so happened that this night they finally hit their quote-unquote target and she died Because remember, Andy, you're throwing this at a moving car coming at you. I know. You're not even on the side of the road doing this. You're in a moving car. That's a moving car. And you're throwing this rock out the side of the truck at the oncoming car.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, bottom line, these are monsters. They belong in prison. That's where they are.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's where they're at. And that's where they're going to stay. And my whole point is, and this is where I do feel bad, because no parent wants to hear their child died. No parent wants to hear that their child was the one that caused the death, and now your child is going to be in prison for life. And I don't know if they're siblings or anything else along those lines, but you now have affected all the lives of these other people, these other families that are now involved.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and you never know. On the one hand, there's a part of me that thinks, how did you parent these kids that they would actually endanger life in this way? I mean, what kind of parenting leads to this? But on the other hand, in the modern society, John, there are so many other impacts on kids. Parents don't do all the raising of kids anymore. Society raises kids to such a degree, which is horrible. You know, I don't know all the impacts on these kids' lives. I don't know, but all I know is this. What they did was monstrous. What they did was horrifying.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, absolutely. Sorry, one was sentenced to 27 years, one was sentenced to 45 years, and the other is life.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Either way, these young men, they will be old men. Even the ones that are getting out will be old men when they come out, and one never will. Think about that, Andy. You're now going to spend the rest of your life in prison. What a grave thing to actually have to now face.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Especially as the parents and as the family.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, but let me ask you, does he deserve it?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely. I think so, too. And sorry, this is and I know this is hard. And if you're the parents of this young man, I mean, I'm sorry, I feel bad. But does this particular young man deserve the death penalty? I believe he does. Yes. I believe he does. He's the one that threw the rock. He's the one that caused the death of another human being. He did it maliciously. It wasn't on accident.
SPEAKER 07 :
That was an attack.
SPEAKER 04 :
It was an attack, absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't... Oh, I did it for fun. Then you did for fun. You didn't attack. Okay? I don't care what your motive was. I don't care why you did it. You took a large rock... and hurled it down at a car and attacked an innocent person and killed them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. And on top of that, keep in mind, and I talked about this when this all happened, They not only did that, Andy, but they turned around after they knew they hit her to go back to see exactly what damage they had done. So it wasn't even like they threw it and kept driving. They threw it, knew they hit her, probably saw the brake lights and stuff go off the side of the road because where they were at, she went off into a field. They probably saw that, turned around, and even went back to look to see what happened. Sick. It wasn't even that they just kept on driving. They went back. Yeah, and I think they took... Thank you, Charlie, for saying that. Yes, I remember now. They actually also took pictures on their cell phone, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, good. Get a trophy. You know, John, let me tell you something. The guys they're going to meet in prison are a lot tougher than them. Oh, man. These are guys who do the worst kind of crimes. These are guys who don't cowardly whip rocks off bridges and run.
SPEAKER 04 :
And thank you, Charlie. It's in this article that I'm reading right now. They went back to get a better look. They took photos, whooped, and drove away. They never called for help. They never made any effort to save her. Instead, they formed a pack to be blood brothers, as if taking my daughter's life was something to be proud of. That's what the mom, Kelly Bartell, said.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, these monsters are about to be surrounded by real monsters. And by the way, don't get me wrong. Anybody who commits these atrocities of any kind are cowards deep down. But I'm telling you, John, the men they're going to be around right now are terrifying.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and again, my point with all of this is, and maybe I look at this a little bit differently, but yes, these young men's lives will be changed. Oh, yeah. The life of the family of the young lady whose life was took, their lives are changed forever. But now also the other families, even siblings and so on, whose, you know, their brother now is going to be in prison for quite some time, and in one case forever, until they die.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, I do hope somewhere, somehow, some young people know of this story and learn something. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
You sure hope so, Andy.
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And learn, my gosh, we can't be so careless with what we do. We can't have fun at the expense of others when it might be dangerous. We can't do it. I hope that this lesson travels through the young community.
SPEAKER 04 :
I sure hope so, and I hope that these young men can maybe even as they become hopefully reformed and they do their time and they can share that story and even maybe assist with some of the things that you just mentioned, Andy, hopefully they will, instead of going and becoming bitter, realize the error of their ways and help others not to do the same thing. You can always hope. That's all you can hope for. So, anyways, Flesh Law, speaking of all of this, coming up next, criminal, civil, you name it, Kevin is there to help you. He is trial-tested, trial-ready, 303-806-8886.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, something else I wanted to talk about yesterday I didn't get a chance to. I figure while Andy's here today, I'll do so. American doctors are looking to relocate to Canada to avoid the Trump administration. It's why, and again, I talk about Dr. Scott a ton. This is why we talk about Dr. Scott as much as we do, because he's not one of these sniveling, you know, cowardly snowflake doctors that are out there, by the way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Totally agree. But what would they be fleeing from? I mean, what is Donald Trump doing that would make life harder for an American doctor? I mean, I would think that he's doing things that would make life easier for an American doctor.
SPEAKER 04 :
Some of them are saying that they feel some guilt that they did not stay to resist the Trump agenda, which, again, how this has anything to do with the medical community is beyond me. Part of being a physician is being kind to people who are in their weakest state. I feel that our country is devolving to really step on people who are weak and vulnerable, Andy. What? What? What are they talking about? This is an NPR article. I'm just reading you what NPR says.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I know NPR. By the way, no tax funding. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. But, John, this is ridiculous. What on earth is America doing to stomp on weak people?
SPEAKER 04 :
Beats the heck out of me, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, this reminds me of all the newscasts, and I just saw another one, who talk about immigrants and not illegal immigrants when it talks about, you know, the Trump administration's actions. You know, we think it threatens immigrants. No, it threatens illegal immigrants, and they always leave illegal out. Maybe these doctors are, I mean, weak Americans. What do they mean, weak Americans?
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't know. In fact, as I read through this trying to figure out what exactly are these guys, quote unquote, guys and gals, what are they upset about, protesting, leaving for? And I can't – there's no answer, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, what I mean is this. Look, you're going to have liberals in general, be it a doctor or a Hollywood star or whatever. Right. Who wants to leave America just because they don't want to be in Donald Trump's America. I get that. OK, the political landscape has become something that you can't handle and you think the other side is really mean. Hey, I thought the other side was really mean during Obama and Biden. It was hell for me. OK, I get that. I understand. But why is it a bunch of doctors? Because, I mean, let me throw this by you. Are they worried that because of their actions during COVID-19, Good question. Because, look, a lot of doctors, what they did is they prescribed very poorly, in my opinion, to benefit pharmaceutical companies during COVID.
SPEAKER 04 :
Andy, that's not your opinion. That's a fact. That's exactly what they did. That's a fact. I'm just saying. Absolutely. It's what I believe. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
And, I mean, it is also my opinion that gravity exists. Okay, so just so you know.
SPEAKER 04 :
No debating either one of those.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, but, John, what I'm saying is this. are they worried maybe that justice is turning? And maybe they're leaving not because of... Because, look, Donald Trump is not doing anything to make the medical community a worse place to be in.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're wary of the escalating right-wing political rhetoric, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Once again, what has that got to do with the medical community? Nothing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Nothing, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
There has been escalated left-wing rhetoric before, escalated right-wing rhetoric before. There's escalated all-wings rhetoric going on. What does this have to do with the medical community? And all I can think about is this. Donald Trump is a threat to them in one way and one way only, and that is Kennedy. He is a threat because now the light is being shown upon what they did during COVID.
SPEAKER 04 :
And big pharma and, and, and. Right. I mean, does that make sense? You're 100% correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And so maybe the medical community could be worried about how that they could flat out be getting exposed before long.
SPEAKER 04 :
That could be.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I'm not talking all of them. I'm talking some of them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Could be.
SPEAKER 07 :
The extreme examples, the ones who... You know, let's face it. We're treating... Look, I believe that there were people who... I know one who was unvaxxed who unfortunately went to the hospital and was treated horribly because he was unvaxxed and they basically... You know, it was an escort into death. Okay. And I just don't... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They were pushing a vaccine that didn't work. But keep in mind, that vaccine was developed under Trump. So it's not like he's going to be going after the vaccine. I don't know what they're thinking.
SPEAKER 04 :
Again, I think it's a lot to do over nothing. I feel like, as usual, these are snowflakes. They're worried about something, frankly, they don't need to be worried about at all. And rather than do what's best for their own patients and their own practice, if they even have one. It sounds like a lot of these folks are coming out of hospitals and things like that, so not necessarily practices per se, Andy. But they're going up to work in now socialized medicine in Canada. Let's see how that works out for them. Have fun. Best of luck. Have fun.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, maybe they do gender reassignment.
SPEAKER 04 :
Beats me.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, look, I will say this. There has been huge, huge, huge money in medicine doing bad things to bodies. I'm sure there has. Both with big pharma, with the vaccine, with mutilating kids' bodies, with abortion. Okay, a lot of things have been directing huge money into the medical field.
SPEAKER 04 :
community to do bad things to bodies and trump doesn't want us doing bad things to bodies true i'm look i'm trying to draw a line here i don't know i mean andy i'm trying to find a connection this is one of these where i i read through this and i'm reading okay so predatory doctors so you well as far as these guys moving i'm like In other words, you may, you haven't yet, but you may get your feelings hurt by somebody, patients, somebody along those lines, which, by the way, most people coming in to have you look at them and examine them. They're not talking politics. Exactly. They just want to be fixed up. Yeah, fix my foot. They're not caring about any of that stuff. So at the end of the day, I see it as just a bunch of snowflake doctors that are upset their feelings might get hurt at the end of the day, Andy. I'm sorry. That's how I see it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, yeah, but that's across all professions. Why are we talking about doctors? I wonder if the jig is up. I don't know. Would you agree with this, John, that in those areas that I looked at, okay, you're talking COVID, you're talking the vaccine, you're talking transgenderism, and you're talking some other things, that there have been a good number of doctors in our country that have been flat-out predatory.
SPEAKER 04 :
You're right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now, I'm not saying every doctor who's not Dr. Scott is predatory. I'm not saying that, okay? But you know what I mean. Maybe the predators are running.
SPEAKER 04 :
You could be right. It could be one or the other, or both, a combination of the two. Could be that. Could also be that these are just, literally, these are a bunch of snowflakes that decided to get into the medical profession that now are afraid that they might get their feelings hurt by who knows what, and so let's just go to Canada instead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, one last question. Do you want a doctor who's afraid that politics that don't go his way will hurt his feelings.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I do not.
SPEAKER 07 :
So is this any loss?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, other than it does probably make it a little bit tougher in the medical community because you're losing doctors at a time where we probably need more. On the same token, Andy, because of the way that the health care industry itself, we talk about this a lot even with Dr. Scott, because of the way that in big pharma works, you're going to see a lot of doctors like Dr. Scott just frankly leave that altogether And say, you know what? I'm going off on my own. I'm not going to be a part of this. I'm going to do things the way that I want to do it. And, yeah, patients are going to pay me directly instead of going through the insurance company. But at the end of the day, they're going to get better care. Okay. And that's exactly what's happening.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Payton. John, I want to talk about something else that actually relates to Canada. Yes. In a weird way. Okay, the U.S. has confirmed, and this is from the Epoch Times, who I love, the expiration of the Chevron license that allowed it to export oil from Venezuela.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And I don't want to go into the whole story here, but basically, we are no longer... Because the oil that is exported out of Venezuela, it's like three to one, the money just goes to Maduro, from what I hear. And we don't want to benefit Maduro. He's a bad guy. Okay? So... Here's the question. I don't know if you've heard about this, but there is a heck of a separatist movement rising up in Alberta and Saskatchewan.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, I've seen that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Do you realize that this actually grants a lot more leverage to them up there? Do you know why? Why is that? The kind of oil. Alberta puts out a certain kind of crude that is actually very similar to what you get out of Venezuela. And if we don't get it from Venezuela, we're going to need more of it from Alberta. In fact, the lady who is the... What is it? Prime Minister or whatever it is of Alberta. She's the leader of Alberta. She was talking about the very fact that she wants to deal with Trump and the Americans because she said, look, you get... millions of barrels from a place that you don't want to support, we have that kind of oil that is ideal for your refineries, for certain refineries, you know, different refineries. Yeah, different refineries are for a different kind of oil.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that's their tar sands oil they have.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. And she said, we have that kind of oil. We want to sell it to America. We love America here in Alberta. And so right now, this changes. I believe this changes the entire trade negotiation because I do believe that Trump wants to basically burn Canada to the ground. Basically allow them to experience great economic pain so that they will come to the table and give real negotiations. All right? Because let's face it, Canada's entire election was about rejecting Trump. And you know Trump. He doesn't like that. All right? And now, though... Canada is dealing with, they are dealing with the very real problem of the separatist movement rising up in Saskatchewan and Alberta. Now, because of Chevron not dealing with Venezuela anymore, Alberta just became, and Saskatchewan too as well, just became incredibly important to the United States in trade negotiations. What do you see happening? Well...
SPEAKER 04 :
It'll be interesting because I just looked up. We buy, last year, 2024, we bought about 222,000 barrels a day from Venezuela. So it's not like we're buying millions upon millions of barrels.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that's a day, though.
SPEAKER 04 :
That adds up. Yeah, but it's just a per-day basis. Keep in mind, we as a country use 20 million barrels a day. So 222,000 is not that much in that respect. How much does that... raise what we're already buying from Canada I think we buy and don't quote me I'd have to double check this but we buy what 3 million or so a day from Canada is that about right I don't know exactly again I got to look this up do you know I think yeah I think it's in that range am I am I pretty close on that so you know 300 or 3 million becomes 3.2 million or so I don't know at the end of the day how much more you know what does that do to affect the relationship between us and Canada I guess is the question
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, what she was saying is that actually, she said, the daily difference between what America produces and what we consume is over 3 million barrels.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was close. It's 3.9. So this would put them up to about 4.9.
SPEAKER 07 :
But she would like to take it higher, not just replace Venezuela. Right. But she's saying, she simply used Venezuela as an example where you get that kind of crude.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
But she said, why buy from them when you can buy from us? We like you. And she said, we want to work with you. And so what Canada has right now is a real problem. They've got two provinces right there that want to deal with America, that like Trump. Okay. And the others don't. The coastal ones hate Trump. Right, right, right. Okay. And so now the coastal ones, the problem that they have, and they just elected this rabid communist. Right. Okay. Correct. But the problem he has is that they are actually coming close now. They're rising up in the numbers. They could secede. And he could have a full separation on his hands if he doesn't accommodate them. And so what he has to do in dealing with Trump, Trump's going to go to him and say, look, these two want to deal with us. And they got what we want. And we want to deal with them. We like them. We want pipelines. We want them now. We want to get this moving. Do you want to get this moving? Do you want a deal? And if you don't deal, I'm going to tell you, you're going to have a lot of very upset people in those two provinces.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hmm. Okay. I'm saying there's one word, leverage. And I think it just went up.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm not going to deny that. It would be interesting to see, and I've watched some different videos and things on her in Canada talking about just America and that part of the country has always been— Pro-America. Yeah, well, pro-America, and I would even say pro-Canada when the rest of the country isn't because they're pro-everything but Canada.
SPEAKER 07 :
They're capitalists. They're conservative.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and the knucklehead's running it or not.
SPEAKER 07 :
And she's not a big separatist, but she's fine with the separatists. She'll go with them, you know, but she's not their leader. So how would that work? For those two provinces to separate. They just become part of the U.S. or what? No, they would become their own nation. However, it would be like Israel, a nation with incredibly favorable relations with the United States.
SPEAKER 04 :
Dumb question on my part, and I'm not saying this will happen, but dumb question. If they separate instead of becoming their own country, why not just become the 51st, 52nd state?
SPEAKER 07 :
If they did that, of course, you know, the Democrats would be furious.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because you'd be adding conservative states.
SPEAKER 04 :
True. And this is why— Although the population's low, so it's not a huge, huge thing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but they'd still be their own states.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they'd have two senators and so on, I guess, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but three electoral votes, baby.
SPEAKER 04 :
They each get three. And there would be four senators, right, if they were two states?
SPEAKER 07 :
There'd be four senators and six— And representatives and so on. Four senators, six electoral votes. The Democrats would be devastated.
SPEAKER 04 :
Can—I mean, I'll get a dumb question again to them. What are they waiting for? It sounds like a good deal for them.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, it'd be a phenomenal deal. Okay. Look, anybody who lives in Alberta and Saskatchewan who is not for secession is out of their minds economically.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think most are. That's the whole point, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. They're being taxed into the ground. Alberta, for instance, I believe it's Alberta. Okay. gets taxed like $17 billion, and they only get about $10 billion in benefits from the taxes. They are huge net payers into the coffers. Why? Because of oil and gas. But here's the thing, John. They aren't even producing oil and gas at nearly the levels that they can. They're being held back by the wacko environmentalists who are running the Canadian government. If they were allowed to produce on the levels they want to produce, oh, they'd be, I mean, they are jam-packed with oil and gas.
SPEAKER 04 :
And not just oil and gas, but also mining.
SPEAKER 07 :
Mining rights are huge. They would be rare earth minerals. They would be, here's the big thing. If they were to secede, they would be overnight wealthy. And I mean the citizens of Alberta and Saskatchewan would be so loaded with money It'd be like walking into Kuwait.
SPEAKER 04 :
Why can't we just, while we're at it, get the Northwest Territories, the Yukon Territory, that connects to Alaska, and then we're like all the way up to Alaska. That would be awesome. It's not even the lower 48 anymore.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, this is why, but if you look at the other side, the east, and obviously the west coast, British Columbia.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, yeah, right, right, right.
SPEAKER 07 :
If you look at them, very liberal, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah, Quebec and all that, absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
This is why I don't understand Trump talking about 51st state of all of Canada. You're talking about just the east.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no, no.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, we don't want Canada.
SPEAKER 04 :
Talk about the 51st and 52nd state.
SPEAKER 07 :
Why would we want to add a left-wing state? That's ridiculous.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would approach it by giving each one of them still their own independence, and you each just stay. You'll stay Alberta. You'll stay Saskatchewan. You'll just be states of the United States of America. We'll just even let you keep your own name.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
You guys don't have to do anything different. Two new states. Other than your taxes will change.
SPEAKER 07 :
You'll have lower taxes.
SPEAKER 04 :
You'll have lower taxes. well this is what in fact by the way really quick Andy yeah go ahead on top of that we'll do the same thing we've done with Alaska for every barrel you send down we'll give you guys as citizens or you know as not citizens but as basically a kickback yeah we'll give you like we do for Alaska yeah Alaskan what name why am I why is that slipping my mind okay what are we in Colorado we're not citizens of Colorado we are what of Colorado why can't I think right now what's wrong with my brain
SPEAKER 07 :
What do you mean?
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, we're taxpayers. We're Coloradans. Yeah, but what do we – you don't call us citizens of Colorado. You call us what of Colorado? What name am I looking for, Charlie? Why am I not thinking straight on this?
SPEAKER 07 :
Native? I don't know.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't really think about it. At any rate, you could tell them that both of them, whatever amount of oil – And by the way, other natural resources that you send down to the lower 48, we will give you a kickback of X that you guys. So not only will we lower your overall taxes, you guys can be like Alaska. You can even get a little more money in your coffers.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it's interesting you say this, John, because the separatists, when they talk to the other people in Saskatchewan and Alberta, what they're telling them is this. Your taxes are going to drop off the map because right now you are paying way higher taxes because of the leftists running our country.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
We don't need nearly those kinds of government policies. facility here's another thing we are about to have the golden dome residence is the name i was looking for andy we're residents of colorado so we would give the residents of saskatchewan and alberta a kickback according to the oh yeah yeah yeah you would do it along those lines yeah first of all your taxes would be lower you would be getting a kickback oh and by the way we're about to have the golden dome we will have that over you it will help you that you will be protected for free
SPEAKER 04 :
By the American military. Who's negotiating this?
SPEAKER 07 :
The American military.
SPEAKER 04 :
Who's negotiating this? I don't know. Somebody ought to get after this quickly, by the way. John, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, you're thinking Coloradans like Wyoming.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you're talking to Charlie. Residents. Resident was the name I was looking for, John. Residents of.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, okay, okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or in California, Resident Evil. Go ahead. There you go, yes. It's a movie.
SPEAKER 09 :
Let's then become independent a la what happened with Texas in 1836. They became an independent nation, but then they petitioned to join the United States as an independent nation. Let Alberta, Saskatchewan do that, and then this way nobody can accuse the Trump administration of stealing from Canada. No, they became free, and then they chose to join us.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, in Alberta, I believe a majority of those who want to secede want to join the U.S.,
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, but let it go in the two steps and it's easier. And by the way, have either of you ever been to Calgary and the Canadian Rockies?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I never have.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, if you get a chance, whether they join us or not, Banff National Park makes Rocky Mountain National Park look like a hole. It is one of the most beautiful places on the planet. So, yeah, I didn't mean to call back a second time, but I think... No, you're fine. No, it's great.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, again, these are all, John, these are just spitball, pipe dream. Those of you that are Canadians may be listening. We're not trying to step on anybody's toes. We're just throwing things around, which, although I will say this, John, and Andy both, I don't think we're talking about anything that anybody up there hasn't already thought through as well. Am I right?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I can apply for Canadian citizenship right now and get it, Because I'm only second generation on my father's side, born here. Both my grandparents were Newfies.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
And so because I'm less than three generations, I could go say I want to apply and move back to Canada, but why would I?
SPEAKER 04 :
Especially, yeah, I wouldn't.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, maybe we could rename Alberta New Wisconsin. What do you think? It rolls off the tongue.
SPEAKER 09 :
Wisconsin's just a bunch of liberal lunatics.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that's true. Good point, John.
SPEAKER 09 :
Alberta's fine. Alberta's Alberta. Saskatchewan, that's fine.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, really quick. Do you know, John, off the top of your head, what's the population of those two providences?
SPEAKER 09 :
Not much.
SPEAKER 04 :
There's 33 million in Canada total. Most of that's on the coast. So what's in the middle?
SPEAKER 09 :
I'm thinking... I don't know for sure. I would say probably maybe a million and a million and a half per province.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hang on, I'm looking right now. Let me see if I can figure it out. Really quick, while you're looking. Alberta has 4.2 million, so less than Colorado, by the way. And Saskatchewan, 1.2 million. So altogether, you're only Colorado's population. Can we at least agree on this? We don't want Quebec. No, not at all, Andy. Why would we want Quebec? No, absolutely not.
SPEAKER 09 :
We don't want that. How about we give Quebec back to France?
SPEAKER 04 :
That's fine. Works for me.
SPEAKER 09 :
They're all French speakers anyway.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, France can have them. I'm good with just taking these two, and we're good. I'm fine with that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, me too. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'd love it.
SPEAKER 09 :
And we don't want Ontario, because during the Revolutionary War, they were a bunch of Tories, and they supported the English.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
We don't want them anyway.
SPEAKER 04 :
You have not gotten over that, have you? I'm all good with this.
SPEAKER 09 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
And really quick, I'll bet you out of the roughly, I don't know, there's not quite five, a little over five million, five and a half million or so between those two provinces, I guarantee you the majority of them would be fine with what we're talking about.
SPEAKER 07 :
What about doing it like in the NFL? Do a trade. We get those two provinces. They can have Minnesota.
SPEAKER 04 :
Or California.
SPEAKER 07 :
And California.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, that's a coast. We need it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, we'll keep the coast. But they can have Minnesota because who cares?
SPEAKER 09 :
But, John, do we really need that coast now that we have control of the Panama Canal again?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. Yeah, militarily speaking, strategically, you know, the border to Mexico, all of that, yes, we need that.
SPEAKER 07 :
And one day California will destroy itself so much.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, we need it.
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We can get it back.
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Well, the best plan ever for California was what?
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We lost you. Best plan was what?
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The original Lex Luthor in the original Superman movie, Christopher Reeves. You don't remember? No.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's been too long.
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He wanted to drop the coast of California, nuke and drop the coast of California into the ocean.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh. Well, you know, when we were kids, the fault line was always going to make that happen, but never did.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. So he was going to nuke the fault line to make it happen. Interesting. That would be a good way to get rid of California, though.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah? Really quick, if you think about it, as large as those provinces are, the territory it covers and doesn't have the population Colorado does.
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No. It's a huge area with small people. A couple of nights. Calgary is beautiful. And then from there, you go into Rocky Mountain or Banff National Park. If you get a chance and you're looking for a mountain vacation... Throw that on the bucket list because I will tell you, you won't be disappointed.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, that's true. No, it's very pretty. You're right. Yeah.
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So you guys have a great rest of the night.
SPEAKER 04 :
You too, John. Appreciate you very much. And yeah, for all of you listening that maybe even are listening in Canada, we're just throwing ideas around. We're not in charge, Andy. We have no say in this whatsoever, by the way.
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No. I mean, look, I've never liked Trump talking 51st state.
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No, because I think that's a bad way of doing it.
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I think it's a bad way, and I think it alienated a lot of people, and it really helped the left win in Canada. But if those two wanted to become United States, I would be honored to have them.
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That's a different conversation. And saying it that way, by the way, that's a whole different way. What's that old saying, Andy? It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You just said it completely different where it's not offensive now. Hey, if you guys would love to join us, we'd have you in a heartbeat. Yeah. They don't like you in Quebec. You guys aren't like, we'll take you. We do like you. We'd love to have you be a part of what we're doing here. And oh, by the way, we'll give you a little more, you know, we'll give you a little more back than what you're getting right now. How's that sound?
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Oh, you get a lot more back. I mean, if you want to be your own country, that's good too. But just, you know, if you want to be a state.
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It's time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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All right, wrapping up things today on this fine Tuesday. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, Alaska. Which we were just talking about Canada and the potential for, you know, what are they going to do? Are they going to secede or so on? Now, we have a great state, the largest state. Most people forget that because it's tucked way up. And even when you look at it on a map, you think, oh, that thing's not that big. It's like half the U.S.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's absolutely huge.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's enormous. And beautiful. It's beautiful, and there's oil there, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, there's a ton of oil. They're very excited right now. I don't know how to say this. I think it's Utkivik, Alaska. Interior Secretary... Doug Burgum, he delivered very welcome news to them by to a bunch of Alaska natives. OK, Alaska natives. He said we are unleashing oil up there. He they what they did is the Trump administration. They took action to rescind a Biden era climate rule that locked up millions of acres from future oil and gas development. And, you know, we're always told, oh, you know, the Indians, well, they absolutely don't care about this stuff. They care a lot. They stood up and plotted. They said, we want these jobs. Yeah, it's money for them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Yeah.
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And it's not just money. It's big money. Right. And so, yeah, Joe Biden unveiled on Earth Day in 2024 blocking jobs. This thing blocking development across 13 million acres of federal lands in Alaska's National Petroleum Reserve. Okay, well, Trump's going to open it up. And they are so excited. So I just wanted to throw that out. Folks, people love Drill Baby Drill. In fact, they were up there. They were saying, Drill Baby Drill. Drill Baby Drill. It's so cool. So I thought that was pretty cool. What do you think?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I think it's fabulous. And I know enough about... Alaska, I've known some folks that have lived up there and so on where they need some of this as well, Andy. Some of what went on on the North Shore, they called it the North Shore for years and years, has sort of diminished, if you would, and they need another kickstart, if you would. So, yeah, I guarantee you this is welcome news to those individuals up there. Absolutely.
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Well, they're about to get it, and that's fantastic. Okay. Do we have a minute? We do. We've got a minute. Go for it. Okay, really quick here, just so you know. Dan Bongino says the FBI is closing in on the January 6th pipe bomb suspect. Now, in case you're wondering, why is this a big deal? I don't have time to go into what this means except this. The Biden administration dropped this entirely and did not want to bring out who the J6 pipe bomb suspect is. The reason this is important, long story short, is that the J6 pipe bomb drew attention away from January 6th. It drew officers, law enforcement away. Remember, Pelosi also didn't want the 10,000 troops that Trump wanted. They wanted the area unsecured so it could be as bad as possible. Here's the thing. Why would they drop the investigation to find out who the J6 bomber is? The J6 bomber is wearing a hoodie right now. And this is the most surveilled area in the country. You can simply go back, go back, go back, find where this guy got out of a car and trace them. They didn't. And in only being in his job for a little over a month, Bongino is already closing in on who it is. That means that Biden covered it up. Why do you think they covered it up? If that person is a DNC contact, they are in trouble.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sort of blows up their whole J6 narrative, if you would, right? No pun intended, but yeah. It literally blows it up.
SPEAKER 07 :
This could be huge. I'm telling you something. I know this sounds small right now. If that J6 bomber is connected to the DNC, the Democrats could get wiped out in 2026. They could lose more seats. It is that big of a story.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, it is. And it's one of those stories that, you know, to your point, Andy, have really kind of, you know, run under the radar, I guess you could say. Right. Even you and I haven't talked much about it just because there hasn't been much information on it because of what you said the last administration did.
SPEAKER 07 :
There is every, yeah, I did a show on it when you were out. You were out of town and I did an entire segment, a couple segments, and broke it down and said, look, there are a lot of reasons to believe that this could be a DNC contact. Somebody working with the DNC doing this. The way these bombs were put, and I don't have time to go into it right now. No, you're fine. But I'll tell you what, it could be really bad for them. It could be really horrible for them because what it does is it shows that they wanted all of J6 to happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
So one thing that we didn't get a chance to talk to, I think I'll table this until next Tuesday, was an article I was going to get into talking about what is the Democrat Party going to do? In other words, what's going to be their MAGA movement? They are, in a lot of ways, Andy, disoriented. They're trying to figure out who's going to be their leader. Is it Bernie? Is it AOC? Is it this one? Is it that one? It won't be those two, by the way, because they won't allow it. But who's it going to be moving forward, and how do they somehow, someway get a MAGA movement started inside of the Democrat Party?
SPEAKER 07 :
They can't have a MAGA movement because MAGA movement is very masculine, and they have treated men as the problem for decades.
SPEAKER 04 :
Very true.
SPEAKER 07 :
You can't turn that around, but... the people who should be leading them right now are Shapiro and Fetterman.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, we'll talk about that next Tuesday because there's a lot surrounding that. That's not a two-minute conversation. There's a lot of things around that that we can get into next week. In the meantime, you guys have a fabulous evening. Thank you so much for listening. We do appreciate it greatly. Myself, Andy, and Charlie signing off. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
In this eye-opening episode, Kim Monson and her team explore the pressing issue of development versus property rights. With discussions focusing on local legislative impacts and controversial housing legislation, we shed light on the rampant social engineering happening in our communities. Join us as we strive for a conversation on freedom versus force, examining policies and their effects on human flourishing and prosperity.
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Under this guise of bipartisanship and nonpartisanship, it's actually tapping down the truth.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let's have a conversation.
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Indeed, let's have a conversation, and welcome to the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team, that's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Wednesday, Producer Joe. Happy Wednesday, Kim. And Wednesdays are Wings Day at Hooters Restaurants. You buy 20 wings, you get an additional 10 for free. And their locations are Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. And that's for to-go or to dine-in. And how I got to know them, it's a really important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties trying to control our lives. So a very important freedom story. How I Got to Know Them. You can find that at my website, which is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. While you're there, make sure that you are signed up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays. And it highlights our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station. And we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it's not compassionate nor altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, their freedom, their livelihood, their opportunity, their childhoods. Their lives via force and force can be a weapon, but it can be policy and unpredictable in excess of taxation, fear, coercion, government induced inflation. The agenda by the World Economic Forum, the globalist elites played out through the United Nations, the Colorado, this Colorado state legislature, this Colorado governor. And then all of these land use codes and zoning regulations and all of those things that control our property really is taking away our property. And remember, if something is a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. On the show, we focus on the issues, not personalities. I certainly will mention people that are involved in these issues because that's the way it works. But we want to stay focused on the issues and not get into the personality fighting because that doesn't accomplish anything whatsoever. Our word of the day is injustice, and it's spelled I-N-J-U-S-T-I-C-E, and it could be wrongdoing or malpractice, an offense, crime, villainy, injury. infringement, violation, abuse, criminal negligence, transgression, grievance, breaches, damage, infractions. I love this last one. And this was, it said, a crying shame. I've not heard that term in a long time. So injustice, there is a lot of injustice that is going on these days in the name of equality. And We are all to be treated equally under the law, no winners and losers with government and PBIs. And whenever we have tax incentives, treating people differently, I've been thinking a lot about Trump and this big, beautiful bill. And I'm a bit concerned with the spending on it, number one. There looks like there's some good things in it. And I like the fact that lowering taxes is a good idea, but I wish you would just do it across the board. There's no tax on tips, no tax on overtime. I like that idea, but we need to, instead of picking winners and losers, We need to be reducing taxes across the board. So he's doing good work on that. Let's just keep on keeping on. Our quote for the show is from Victor Hugo. He was born in 1802, died in 1885. He was a poet, novelist, and dramatist who was the most important of the French Romantic writers. Though regarded in France as one of the country's greatest poets, He's better known abroad for such novels as Notre Dame de Paris and Les Miserables. And he said this, between the government, which does evil, and the people who accept it, there is a certain shameful solidarity. And so, again, we have got to make sure that we are working to get government involved. all levels back into their proper role and it is a Herculean task to use our word of the day from earlier in the week several the headlines that I wanted to go through this first one was written by gosh okay here we go this is from uh creators and this is by from by betsy mccaughey and uh she was a former i think uh let's see she lieutenant governor in new york and is founder of save our city and i think i need to get her on this is probably one of the best pieces that i've seen on the attack on um on on our american way of life And yesterday when we had Mike Rollick on, he talked about House Bill 24-13-13, which several jurisdictions are suing the state of Colorado on it because it is legislation that was passed regarding housing and transit-orientated communities. And I think that I had given the wrong – I think I was looking at House Bill 25 yesterday instead of House Bill 24-13-13. And so Betsy goes on to say this. She said across the U.S., Democrats are waging war to crush a lifestyle they abhor and call it small town America, single family neighborhoods, quiet streets, town centers stamped with their own historic character and almost no signs of the vagrancy and homeless encampments that plague cities. Democrats want you to have none of this. If you've worked for years to save up for a home in one of these havens, forget about it. The Democrat Party is using brute legal force to remake towns using a cookie cutter formula that forces each of us to have the same proportion of houses and apartments, the same mix of low, middle, and upper income residents, and the same reliance on public transit, all controlled by state politicians. Any town that resists gets shamed as segregated, though this isn't about race, and they also are called snobby. On Saturday, the Connecticut legislature passed a bill, House Bill 5002, which should be called the Destroy Connecticut Towns Act. It's headed to Governor Ned Lamont's desk for signature. The new law dictates how many low-income and moderate-income apartments each Connecticut town must provide, and mandates that towns also foot the bill for the schools, parks, public transportation, and other services low-income residents will need, and local taxes will soar. And she goes on to really explain that this bill explicitly says its purpose is to ensure economic diversity in each town, but this is about social engineering, not remedying housing shortages. And the Obama administration was pushing this through on something called Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing through these community development block grants. Whenever you see the word grant there, that means that there's money and it also means that there's control. And there was a big pushback on that. And so what happens is Democrats and the radicals that are controlling the Democrat Party, they just retreat a little bit and then change the names, but don't change the policies. And we saw this playing out last year in this House Bill 1313. Next headline that I wanted to mention, and I'm questioning this, and this is from CNN. It says, family of Colorado anti-Semitic attack suspect was taken into ICE custody and has had their visas revoked. Now, reports are this guy was here illegally. He had overstayed a visa. He was here illegally. And then he has a family of, I think, five children and a wife. And they're all here. How on earth did this happen? And so it looks like those visas are going to be revoked and they will all be expelled from the United States. But how are they living? If he wasn't working, how are they paying their rent? How is this? How did this happen in America? And so there's a lot more questions regarding this guy that did this fire, this Molotov cocktail attack in Boulder on Sunday. Next thing, Mike Lindell, his trial is going on in Denver right now. And this is from the Denver Post. It says attorneys for a former Dominion voting systems official said in court Tuesday that MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell's false claims about him were fueled in part by Lindell blaming the official for his management from conservative television. And it says opening statements kicked off yesterday in this trial in federal court, and it will decide whether or not Lindell defamed Eric Coomer. And Lindell's attorneys are arguing that Lindell believed what he was saying regarding Eric Coomer. And so, again, this is a big, big trial that's occurring right now here in Denver. So stay tuned on that. Next thing, the spending, not only at the federal level, really is of a lot of concern. And again, I hope the Trump administration will claw this stuff back. In fact, I saw a headline that Trump plans to tap Biden's Green Bank to make billions in loans. I don't think that's really what we want to do. We want to quit spending. all of this money, and I'm concerned that those spending and loans might be for some of these CO2 pipelines, which it makes no sense to be bearing CO2, which is plant food, underground. And so anyway, Denver says, despite budget shortfalls, Denver is moving forward with major construction projects using money from capital funds. And... This spending is unsustainable, and we have got to get this under control. And then the last thing, Rami Johnson and I were up in Cheyenne yesterday for a luncheon. Thank you to Sandy Shaner for inviting us to the Federated Republican Women's Luncheon. There were a lot of guys there as well. And it is crazy, but right here in our backyard, there are two things that have occurred regarding boys or men in girl spaces. One is Jefferson County, where on a field trip, unbeknownst to parents, they... Jefferson County had an 11-year-old girl. They had a boy as her roommate in an overnight trip. And so the Trump administration is going to target that. It says the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights is taking actions throughout June to honor the 53rd anniversary of Title IX being signed into law. And one of the first actions announced Monday was was directed at Jefferson County Public Schools. And then the other is up at the University of Wyoming, where in one of the sororities, there is a guy that said that he thought he was a girl and was living in the sorority, really had not made much effort to even look like a girl. And apparently in the sorority, the showers, was watching the girls shower and undress and reacting like a male. And some of the girls have sued on that. And that is going to court as well. So those are two things right here in our backyard. 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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something's a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. and have you got big dreams for your future but not sure how to get there well call our friends at mint financial strategies they know that your financial life is unique and as an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary they build personalized strategies that put your freedom and goals first no sales pressure no one-size-fits-all approach just thoughtful guidance built around you so take that first step toward your future call mint financial strategies at 303 That's 303-285-3080. On the line with me is my fellow Colorado Union of Taxpayer Cut board member, and that is Rami Johnson. And got to spend some time with her yesterday. Rami Johnson, welcome to the show. Good morning, Kim. It's so good to be with you again. Well, we got to spend some time in the car yesterday driving up to Cheyenne for the Republican Federated Women's Luncheon, and they were very interested in the documentary A Climate Conversation, which you and your husband, Walt, financed. I had the great honor to moderate it, but it was really a great day, and I want to say thank you to Sandy Shaner for organizing that up there, Rami.
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Yes, it was very nice to meet everyone. They are very happy to be part of hearing about that movie. But, you know, Kim, in all honesty, something that was extremely disappointing to me was was across the board their viewpoint and concern for Colorado. Yes. You're hearing this everywhere. Yeah, it's heartbreaking the way that we are viewed nationally now.
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It really is. People ask me what's going on in Colorado. And California and Colorado are putting in policies that are really detrimental to human flourishing and prosperity. And so that's why we're doing the work that we're doing at CUTT. at the Colorado Union taxpayers. And I do want to give a shout out to our fellow board members, Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, you, Rami Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozori, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And we are rolling up our sleeves. We're going to be working on our ratings report that will be coming out. It's a monumental task. And so we're going to be working on that. But Ramey, you are watching not only things at the legislature with what we're doing at CUT, and we at CUT are going to be watching things at the local level as well. And there's a lot going on in Jefferson County across the board. But in particular, you've got your eye on the federal center. So what's some of the new things that people need to know about that?
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Yes, I'd like to give you an update on this. The Federal Center, that land, it's 59 acres. After it was sold to the developer, he very quickly changed the name of it to The Bend. It's always been known as the Horseshoe Property. Well, the entire community is concerned at this point about what's happening out there. For those who are aware and are getting more and more aware, Unfortunately, Kim, our city council had a unanimous vote to go ahead with the build-out on that property. And Karen Gorday, a lady that you know, did a very in-depth expose of the federal center. And the Lakewood Reinvestment Authority, which actually came into – was voted in in 1997 – which is basically a public-private partnership, and it's supposed to give the city the authority, the ability to revitalize certain areas of the city to keep our community thriving. Well, they weighed in on this one, and so the city went ahead and went with what they recommended, which was a build-out. The city council had a split vote on a metro district for 8-3 to allow that to happen, which I'm having a little bit of problems with that. But basically, the builder can do whatever they want now. The LRA, or the Lakewood Reinvestment Authority, blighted the land issue. It's unbelievable to me, for one thing, Kim, that you can blight vacant land. The big problem is not it blighting. The big problem is that there's contamination and nobody is addressing it of what's exactly out there and to what level it's out there. There's terrible concerns about that. A gap analysis was never done. A gap analysis tells you Basically, how much it's going to cost a developer, and in this case, the taxpayers, because we are involved because of a tax increment financing that was put in place. We're on the hook as well to help with this. It's going to have 2,100 apartments. It will have 1.5 parking places. It also has retail space. I don't know what to say. Our state representative, Rebecca Stewart, was very involved in legislation that actually makes it so that water boards can only charge a certain amount on tap fees And this was really a slap in the face to the citizens of Lakewood. She went along with what the administration wanted. But in speaking with other folks regarding the Green Mountain Water Board, there's concern if they have to provide water to a contaminated site. There are some people that view this as a love canal type of situation. And so it's to be determined, I guess, what's going to happen with that. But if you don't mind, I'd like to kind of switch over to Belmar as well. Okay. There's an area in Lakewood that's just called Belmar, and its land is just south of our library. Okay. It's basically, it was open space. It was land that I never knew that the city could have purchased. When Adam Paul was mayor, apparently he was aware that the city had the opportunity to buy this. And he opted, I think, single-handedly not to purchase it. Well, a developer did get a hold of this. And it's been a very contentious issue here in Lakewood. They immediately, when they got control of it, took down 59 or 60 well-grown trees. They just cut them down immediately kind of just to slap the face of the people that are having so much trouble with this. It's basically its own ecosystem with all the beautiful trees that are out there and all the animals and birds that are there. So the people that have been fighting this, the amount that's going in over there, they gathered money quickly to have an injunction. And at the hearing, someone from the city, and I intend to find out who that was, was sitting with the builder saying, during the hearing, and the builder, of course, won. So they are going to be putting up 400 high-end apartment houses, Kim, luxury apartments. The problem with that is that they're taking out all of these beautiful trees, but there's a beautiful development across the street and east of townhomes the value of their property has immediately gone down. And once again, our state representative, Rebecca, was involved in legislation that is what people refer to as fee-in-lieu. Basically, that means that a developer can give money to the city instead of putting some land aside for... Oh, for open space, if you will. She betrayed the people of this city, in my opinion. Council, I did not realize this until just recently. They changed the policies and procedures three years ago, and they basically have just given our staff all the authority. We have a toothless city council at this point, Kim. And bureaucrats are basically running our city. They work for the developers, in my opinion. But something that I think everybody needs to really be aware of real quick is that our city manager makes $400,000, Kim. She is the highest paid in the state. And it's time for her to step down with cause.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and, Rami, I love property rights. I love development. I love people being able to develop land and create homes. But what we have happening here is this coercion through apartment buildings. We just see more and more and more of these incidents. And we've got to remember that there are property rights of the people also that lived there before. So the water rights, we need to make sure that all those things are in place as well. So when you've got, as you mentioned, the city staff and the developers sitting on the same side of the table, I think that's where it can be a real problem. And I see that not only just in Lakewood, but I've seen that across the board as well. So And it's changing the fabric of our neighborhoods, which goes back to this piece that I highlighted at the beginning of the show by Betsy McKay, who was a lieutenant governor of New York, how all of these policies are changing the fabric of. of the American dream. And I think that that is the underlying thing that people are concerned about is the coercion and the coziness with what is going on with some of these different developments, correct?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, you're very polite. I would call it collusion. I think it's egregious. We don't have a democracy here in Lakewood. We are run by bureaucrats They are totally aligned with the developers. And it's just not the city that I grew up in. It's not the state I grew up in. But we need a whole change of administration, to be frank with you, Kim.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and that's why elections matter so much. So we're going to be talking with Mark Cook about that in the next segment. Ramey Johnson, first of all, thank you for your service by when you were in the state legislature. You've served on Lakewood City Council. You actually did run for House District 30, which was against Rebecca Stewart. She is sitting in this seat at this time. And not only did she have these bills that you mentioned earlier, One of them was a favorable water tap fee for specific developed areas, which that's not fair to be picking winners and losers. But she also was a prime sponsor of House Bill 1312, which is the egregious trans activist bill. And so elections do have consequences. So we're going to keep working on that, shedding light. And we're not going to give up on Colorado, Ramey Johnson, but we've got a lot of work to do.
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You're awesome, Kim. Take care.
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Oh, thanks, Rami. And yes, we can't give up. We must continue to shed light on what's going on. A little bit of light, a little bit of transparency goes a long, long way. And Karen Levine has been a sponsor of the show for many, many years. And for anything residential real estate, you want to make sure she is on your side of the table.
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Welcome back. It is a Wednesday. Thank you for joining us. Wanted to say thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show, because we truly are an independent voice on an independent station looking at these issues. Wanted to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation. I got to know through Paula Sarles and the whole group at the Cooper's Troopers, a number of our Marine veterans from World War II. And one of those guys was Don Whipple. And he was a young guy at Iwo Jima, Battle of Iwo Jima, and he just recently passed on. And I will be honored to attend his services. He will be buried out at Fort Logan. But this Sunday for America's Veterans Stories, we will rebroadcast one of our interviews with Don Whipple. In his honor, an amazing man. I am so blessed that our paths have crossed and really grateful for that and also grateful for the USMC Memorial Foundation and all the work that they do to honor our military and our veterans and working on the remodel of the Marine Memorial out at 6th and Colfax. More information about all that, go to USMCMemorialFoundation.org. That is USMCMemorialFoundation.org. And there's something crazy, I would say, that has happened in Arapahoe County regarding elections. And I know it kind of seems like it can be eyes glossing over kind of stuff. It's the cast vote records. Very important. And we want to dig deep into this. Apparently, they were changed. And so we have on the line with us Mark Cook. He is a cybersecurity expert here. and has really been watching a lot of the things regarding our elections and very knowledgeable. So, Mark Cook, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, thank you. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER 14 :
And your credentials are pretty significant regarding cybersecurity, Mark Cook.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I've been doing this for quite a while, especially with elections. That's all I've done for the past About four years is dive into all of these election, we'll say irregularities, but it's actually just been a multitude of nothing adding up across the board going through as a county to county, state to state. There's so many instances where things do not match up, even in reports directly coming from a lot of clerks. And I don't think the clerks even know that things aren't matching up because I think the clerks are just depending on the systems to do all the work for them and not realizing that things aren't aligning. And this Tasso record with Arapahoe County is the most obvious in our face that problem that has shown up.
SPEAKER 14 :
So Mark Cook, again, this is pretty detailed for people, but in the big picture, we have to have honest and transparent and fair elections if we are going to continue with our constitutional republic. And if we don't have honest, fair, and transparent elections, then we are headed towards tyranny. And we are seeing tyranny in a lot of different states. So let's dig into the weeds on this cast vote record. What is that exactly?
SPEAKER 09 :
All right. So a cast vote record is pretty simple. Imagine like an Excel file and a list of all the ballots from start to finish, all the way down, and then the columns going over from left to right are the choices on the ballots. So essentially, it's a list of all ballots and how every choice on the ballot was voted. So it'd be a one for a yes, a zero for a no, or a cell would be blank if that contest was not listed on the ballot. So essentially, you could see how every single ballot was voted all the way down from the very first one that showed up and was tabulated to the last one that was tabulated. You can't see who voted because there's no name on it. There's no way to identify the voter. It's just the ballots.
SPEAKER 14 :
And are these the actual ballots or are these images?
SPEAKER 09 :
It's just a list of the choices on the ballots.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Okay. So it's just a record of that. Now, there are ballots. So can we get access to the ballots or the images of the ballots to reconcile that with a cast vote record?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I believe they've probably already destroyed the ballots themselves. And there is part of the problem. The citizens go test their ballots, and we have, as citizens, pretty much no way to know if our ballots are actually being tabulated properly into the machines and the data that comes out of the machines, the results, if they even align with what we have put on the ballots. So they kind of hide those ballots away. They seal them up. They make it so you even have to go to a judge to get access to look at our own ballots. It's the most ridiculous thing ever. And how these tabulation systems work is they take those paper ballots, they feed them through the machine. The machine supposedly, allegedly makes an image of each one of those paper ballots, just like a scanner would. And then the software inside the machine is supposed to go through that image of and count where the dots are and how many dots there are in those areas. But there's so many things that can go wrong in that process, and mistakes, let's say programming mistakes. And we know that there have been programming mistakes because elections have actually been overturned after elections. citizens demanded a hand count. They've taken the ballots after a fight, got the ballots recounted and realized the computer count was wrong. And then they're told, well, it was just a programming error, but don't worry. It didn't happen anywhere else. That's usually what we hear. But of course they don't know that it didn't happen anywhere else because we only know that it happened if we actually hand count all the ballots. So then those ballot images are on the computers. And then we've got to fight to get access to the ballot images. Now, I have not seen them yet for Arapahoe County, but the ballot images that are on the computer, there is no way to know that the image on the computer hasn't been modified and is the same as what is on the paper. Because if, let's say I was a bad actor and I wrote the software to tabulate these ballots, I could... Pretend I'm reading the ballot in, and I could put whatever I want into the ballot image as it's stored on the computer. I could move the votes around. I could change the image, and no one would know the difference. And if nobody looks at the paper to compare the paper with the digital images, there would be no way to know that that happened.
SPEAKER 14 :
OK, so and then those records of those images of those ballots can be destroyed after a couple of years. Yes or no?
SPEAKER 09 :
After 25 months in the state of Colorado, the counties are allowed to get rid of them. Yes, which is ridiculous. I mean, hard drive spaces are cheap now.
SPEAKER 14 :
I've always wondered why, because it doesn't take that much space, really, to keep all those records for a long, long time. I've always wondered why those images could be destroyed after just two years, or just a little over two years. So there's all that over there. But now getting over here to Arapahoe County, you said that this is kind of like an Excel spreadsheet. You've got all of the different ballots and all of the different columns. And something happened where that was changed. And that's... that's a real concern. So tell us, you know what, Mark, let's do this. Let's go to break because this is a big question. And we really want to let you have all the time to give us the answer on that. And this is such important things to be looking at. And we have these discussions because of our sponsors. And for anything mortgages, you want to make sure that you are talking with Lorne Levy.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. We are talking with cybersecurity expert Mark Cook regarding discrepancies in the cast vote records in Arapahoe County. So set this up for us. What happened? Once this cast vote record is set and certified, it should not be changed, correct?
SPEAKER 09 :
That's correct. It should not be changed. It is a record of all the votes cast. There should be absolutely no need to change it after the fact.
SPEAKER 14 :
But it appears that maybe that happened?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it's actually – it did absolutely happen. It's not that it appears it happened. It happened, and the county admitted that it happened. So let me start with a little bit of background on this. There is a case in Nevada right now that a pastor is actually suing the Secretary of State of Nevada because their cash flow record has problems. And there is a brilliant mathematician that has looked at a lot of cash flow records around the country. And he's seen a pattern. There's a particular way to look at them to compare the types of votes against other types of votes. Correlated votes is what I call it. And he's looked at them and found that there's a peculiar thing about the data that is completely inorganic, meaning unnatural pattern. And what he was doing is. looking at correlated elections, like people that vote for, we'll say people that vote for Trump, how do they vote on other issues and people that vote for Biden? How do they vote on other issues? And typically they would, they should in a real world vote according to their party alignment. That's typically how that works. But what he's found is in many States, many counties, that the voting based on the cast vote record shows that the people that vote for the Republican candidate and the people that vote for the Democrat candidate on particular issues, they vote in unison. Their change of vote is in unison with each other, which is very bizarre. And let me bring this to a real world example for people. Let's say two people are running from one point to another, and they're in a race. And the two people aren't necessarily next to each other. One person's ahead of the other one. But as one person speeds up, the other person speeds up. And then that person slows down, and the other person slows down. So they always match the rate of change of their speed. Wouldn't that be weird if you have two runners and they keep speeding up and slowing down, but they do it in unison? You would think they would be connected somehow. And that's what he's seeing in the data. Actually, anyone that uses Excel can actually look at it. It's a pretty simple calculation. And you can graph it and you can see the rate of change of the votes tracked by between those voters. And so he's found that. And that doesn't happen in normal cast vote records. In a normal election, that would not be there. And so that indicates that there's manipulation in the data. It's unnatural data. Maybe fake and made up, very possibly. Probably it is. So the Arapahoe County cast vote record, when he came across that, he did that same test on that. But he found something even more peculiar in the Arapahoe County record. And that was not only were they speeding up and slowing down at the same rate, the two people were standing right next to each other at the same time. So as they were running from one point to another, they were literally directly next to each other. And the translation for that is, well, the Democrats and the Republicans, people that voted for the Democrat candidate and people that voted for the Republican candidate, Both voted exactly the same way on this particular issue regarding property taxes. Identical. When one went up, the other one went up. Then one went down, the other one went down. And they also match if they're right next to each other as one sped up, the other one sped up and slowed down and slowed down. So they would track completely side by side all the way through as well. And I'm talking within like a percentage point or less. And that was very peculiar. Now, some people may say, well, yes, that could be normal because, you know, it's possible it's a tax issue. So, you know, Democrats and Republicans are going to vote the same on the tax issue. And that would hold true possibly, except for the other counties in Colorado that he analyzed did not show that. The other counties showed a much more natural pattern of Democrats voting in one way on that issue and Republicans voting in a different way on that issue. And so that was the peculiar thing. It was so obviously fake. There's just no way that it would have happened normally. And so they've been battling this in this court case in Nevada. They've been trying to get this data admitted into court, especially Arapahoe County data. Then what happened is a couple, about a month ago now, I happened to be talking to this mathematician and we're looking at the data and we go pull up the data again from the county website. The data at the county website suddenly was a whole new file. The cast vote record, which is the records of votes cast for the 2020 election that had been there for years unchanged, suddenly was a new file and totally different. We opened it up and we compared the two, and there's actually 15.8 million changes to the votes. The votes were shuffled around completely inside this file. And even the totals at the bottom, the results of the election, the results of the contests, some of them changed a little bit. Not much. I think the most I saw was 11 votes difference on it. But they changed. And so how does four years later the votes change dramatically? in an election and how do all the votes get moved from one ballot to another ballot across the board? I mean, out of all the 350 something thousand ballots, only five of them were not touched. All the rest were changed. And I totaled up, calculated all those changes, and it was 15.8 million votes, meaning the way that people, according to the data, the way that people cast their ballots, the choices they marked on the ballots were now completely different It was the most bizarre thing. And as we've looked into it, there's a lot of other changes they made. But when you look and rerun that data through Ed's test to see if it's tracking side by side as these two runners run down, suddenly it looks just like all the other counties now. The data was quote unquote fixed. So that artifact that was unnatural is now gone and now it looks natural. However, They induced, they got rid of that problem, but they induced other problems in the file. And so what happens is if you have a cash flow record, let's say it's a natural, normal cash flow record that accurately reflects the will of the people that was on the balance. If you want to control the data in that cash flow record, if you force data to change inside the record, mathematically, programmatically, you're going to induce a type of signature in the data that shows it's fake. If you try to control something, you're going to induce a pattern in the file that someone could look at and say, hey, this pattern shouldn't be here. It's unnatural. So what they did is what it looks like is they tried to get rid of that pattern, but in doing so, they created other obvious patterns in the file, probably in haste. And so we start talking about this and talking about all these changes. And then all of a sudden, Arapahoe County, within a day or so, comes out with a statement on their website. And they say it says on or about, I think, October 29th, 2024, that they were notified by this assistant Yale professor that said there was a problem with the cast vote record and that they looked into it and had their experts look at it and they realized it was wrong. So they went and fixed it, quote, unquote, and put out a new one. So essentially what they've done is they've admitted that the record of the votes that were passed that everyone depended on as a record of that election in Arapahoe County was wrong. And we're told everything's always perfect out of these voting systems. Here they are, the counties admitting four years later, after telling everyone everything was accurate, four years later, now they've changed 15.8 million votes on an election that happened years ago. Why would they do that? Why would they wait all this time? And the other very interesting thing is, why didn't they say anything on October 29th? a week before the 24 election. If this professor came in and told them there's a problem with the data, why wouldn't they have mentioned it to anyone? Well, that's when Jenna Griswold was going through that massive embarrassment for getting caught having posted the BIOS passwords for most of the county's election systems in the state of Colorado on the Secretary of State website For, I think, at least four months, they were out there in the open. And remember, the BIOS password getting leaked out for one county is the reason why they persecuted that clerk, Tina Peters. And here we have the Secretary of State of Colorado put out all the BIOS passwords for the entire state. And, of course, no investigation, nothing ever happened to her. Yet they persecute a single clerk that didn't even release the password. Someone else released an old password that had already been changed in the county, but yet they lied and claimed it was a new password and persecuted this clerk. So the whole thing is just completely dirty. We know now that Arapahoe County's original record of how all the votes were cast in the county was absolutely wrong. And that amendment that it was passed, obviously manufactured votes on is an amendment that costs a lot of people, a lot of money as their property taxes have increased. And that was a statewide issue. So we, they got some answers that they need to come forward with and they better hold some water. So after they put out this notice, they claimed that they made the change in, um, April, early April is when they changed it. However, when I analyzed the file, I can see they made the file in February. So they waited another two months before they even put it out there, and then they still didn't tell anyone. I mean, they didn't let the voters in Arapahoe County know either.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wow. So, Mark Cook, we've got to have some more conversation about this. This is so important. We're out of time. But I really thank you for your work on that, and we will get you rescheduled on the show here very soon. Thank you.
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You are welcome. Thank you all.
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And I I know that that was very detailed in that conversation with Mark Cook in our number one regarding these Arapahoe County cast vote records. But once my understanding is once an election is certified. those records should not be changed whatsoever. And so the fact that Mark Cook and mathematician Ed Solomon have looked at this and seen that these records have been changed, That's a serious, serious problem. So we're going to stay tuned on all of this. We have these important discussions because of our sponsors, such as the Harris family. I thank them for their goal sponsorship of the show. And our word of the day is injustice. And I think it's an injustice of what has happened with these cast vote records in Arapahoe County. Now, it sounds like perhaps the... And outcomes, as Mark said, it doesn't sound like the outcomes on maybe change that much of the votes. But what it sounds to me like and again, thank you to Mary. She texted this in. is that perhaps there might have been shuffling votes around to hide that particular pattern that they found out about. And so changing those records, that's not okay. Because once an election is certified, that should be locked in. At least that is my understanding on all of that. So anyway, this looks like this could be an injustice. It's an injustice. If we have people that are changing our elections, that is an injustice, which is our word of the day. And it is spelled I-N-J-U-S-T-I-C-E. It could be wrongdoing or malpractice, an offense, crime, villainy. Injury, infringement, a violation, abuse, criminal negligence, transgression, a grievance or a breach, damage, infraction, or a crying shame. And as I mentioned in the first hour, I'd not really heard the term a crying shame in quite some time. But the word is injustice, I-N-J-U-S-T-I-C-E. And if, in fact, this change in this cast vote records, and they really need to be able to take a real look at that, and particularly when the Gallagher Amendment was repealed, And the Gallagher Amendment had been in place to keep guardrails around property taxes, residential property taxes. And once the Gallagher Amendment disappeared and then we saw the increase in assessments, valuations of property taxes. Then we saw property taxes go up significantly. All of these things are connected to these elections. And so it's really important that we make sure that we have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections. Our quote of the day is from Victor Hugo. He was a poet, novelist, and dramatist, one of the most important of the French romantic writers. He is known for his novels, Notre Dame, Paris, and Les Miserables. And he said, between the government, which does evil and the people who accept it, there is a certain shameful solidarity. And of course, he lived 1802 to 1885. And so what we realize is generation and generation, human nature does not change. And our founders understood that. That's why they put in place the Constitution to have people that would govern ourselves and have limited government. And, of course, we're way out of the bounds on that. We need to get that put back in the proper role. And I talked in the first hour about a piece by Betsy McCauley, who is a former lieutenant governor in New York, regarding home ownership and this manipulation by politicians of our neighborhoods. And we're seeing it in many states across the nation. But people here in America, and I loved what she said, that our homes in a way are like little mini estates that European aristocrats used to have where they had gardens and houses. Well, we have our own little mini estates here with our single-family homes, with our yards, and one of the ways to make that happen, of course, is to be talking with Loren Levy regarding mortgages. He does everything regarding mortgages in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York. Loren, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 14 :
And what's happening with interest rates? I haven't really been paying attention this week.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's okay. We've been in this range around... area with rates for quite some time now it's interesting um there was a meeting you know maybe a week or so ago face to face with uh the fed chairman powell and trump and trump basically asked him to lower rates and evidently the word is that it got contentious but then today just this morning as i was getting ready to call in we got the adp employment numbers which are that's the private sector without government hiring and that came in quite a bit lower and so trump we just had uh put out a tweet or whatever saying you're too late to Powell to start lower rates, comparing him to Europe and things. So we'll see what happens at the next meeting. But for right now, we're in this range where the 10-year Treasury I always refer to has been between $430 and $450 for quite some time. So we haven't seen much movement in rates in the last few weeks.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I've seen different things regarding the economy. And of course, there have been those that have been so concerned about tariffs that that would be inflationary. However, I saw a report that we've not seen inflation out of control. What are you seeing, Lorne Levy?
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree. I just see what I read because it's hard to tell because a lot of the tariffs are haven't even technically taken effect yet because they get talked about, but then they get put on hold for a while as a negotiation tactic. And we've talked about that for a long time, that the president we have now is a negotiator, and some of these are just tactics to get people to the table. So they'll say there's going to be tariffs, but then they won't actually implement them. Now, I do know some of them haven't implemented because you see the amount of money that they talk about coming into the Treasury. But some of the bigger ones haven't been implemented yet. And I think that's what's held off with some of the Fed moves is, you know, what if the tariffs do take effect? What happens to inflation then? And so that's been kind of a holdup with them, I think. So we'll have to see what happens with this. But it's creating that uncertainty we always talk about.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I hear that the businesses, they don't like uncertainty, and I get that. However, there's been such uncertainty, I think, over the big picture of America with the trajectory that we were headed with all of that spending and more and more government control. Does it appear that we're going to... get this spending a bit under control. I've talked with a number of people that have said that this big, beautiful bill that will increase the national debt. And I'm concerned about that, Warren Levy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that's a factor. And some of the biggest guys in the banking world have been mentioning that, you know, what happens to our federal government bonds if we just keep creating more debt and people start to maybe even consider weaponizing that against us and not buying it. because a lot of that debt gets bought by other countries. But then on the other side, with the uncertainty, what you have that could potentially be affecting the economy is you have big companies that do what's called CapEx, spending on capital expenditures, large ticket items that they don't know what to do yet, so they're holding off on that spending. And that could cause something for the economy, because if they spend that money, that's really a boom for our economy, creates jobs and everything else. But again, with that unknown of what their numbers are going to look like, they're holding off on some of that spending, which is affecting things as well. So, you know, for right now, the good news is that people who are interested in looking at moving or purchasing homes or doing anything like that, the rates have been kind of stagnant for a bit. And so you have that certainty of, you know, what the rate's going to be roughly. And so if you can afford the payment now, it shouldn't change too much on you while you're in the process of looking for that house. And then if it drops later, like I say, we can always just refinance it down the road.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Okay. And if people want to sit down and talk with you about anything mortgages, what's the best way for them to contact you?
SPEAKER 05 :
The best way is always just call us at 303-880-8881.
SPEAKER 14 :
And again, that's Lorne Levy for Everything Mortgages. He works with a number of different companies, so all kinds of options can help in every state except New York. That number is 303-880-8881. Lorne, thanks so much. We'll talk with you next week. Okay. Thank you so much, Kim. And the show comes to you because of these sponsors. And for everything regarding your insurance, you want to reach out to the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. Roger's been in business for 48 years, taking care of his clients and his family and giving back to the community. And so sit down with them for a complimentary appointment. Go through that. Make sure you have the insurance that you need. You might be able to save some money if you bundle everything together. That number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan Team is there.
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SPEAKER 07 :
Hi, Kim. Great to be back. Had a wolf in your backyard lately?
SPEAKER 14 :
Not yet, but it sounds like some people do, yeah?
SPEAKER 07 :
They seem to be scattering pretty good, although I saw a report of the sixth dead one found, so celebrate that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I saw a report yesterday that in California, livestock producers are having their cattle killed by wolves. And I hadn't even realized, why am I not surprised that there's wolves in California as well?
SPEAKER 07 :
Interestingly enough, I had Diego Barrison, who's a dear friend of mine, He immigrated from Italy to Northern California. His family raises Piedmontese cattle and grapes. They raise grapes as parent stock for vineyards all throughout California and in Italy as And about three weeks ago, maybe a month ago, I had Diego on talking about what's going on in Italy because there's new information and farmers are not able to allow their animals to be outside overnight because of wolf depredation in Italy, back in the home country where he came from. And the week after we had that broadcast, it came out that in his county, there had been some wolf kills in Northern California where he lives. And this week you can find wolf depredation in new areas of Colorado, new areas of California, and it continues to be a problem in Arizona and New Mexico. And it seems like a little thing, but all of these little things are really starting to add up to be something very significant in our food supply.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and those that are pushing these policies, they know exactly what they're doing. And I did want to correct something. Thank you, Richard, the limo guy, regarding the pronunciation of Betsy's last name. He says it's McCaw. She had written – she's a former lieutenant governor in New York, and we talked about a very important piece about the changing the fabric of – our neighborhoods. It was titled, let me get to it here. It says, The Democrats' War on Small Town Values and Property Values. And it's one of the best pieces I've seen regarding the work that they're trying to do to change the fabric of our communities. And so we are at the We are at the point where we have to really take a stand, as you say, on a regular basis. And what I see happening is the doubling down at the local, county, and state level of these radical activist progressive policies, such as the wolves, which is livestock depredation, which affects our food supply policy. or the doubling down on dictating in the urban areas that you have to have apartments and subsidized housing and all of that together, dictating that. And Colorado's in a big fight on that. It's House Bill 241313. So we've got I think I take in great comfort when Trump was elected. And there's a number of things that I really like that he does. But I am concerned about the spending that is in this big, beautiful bill, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's one big, ugly package is what it really is. And spending is clearly between two and three trillion dollars somewhere. And people tend to forget, if you look at the amount of growth government had during Trump's first tenure as president, it was unparalleled by anything that had happened, even FDR. And then Biden took it to a new level. And on this pace, Trump's second term will outpace the growth of government that he even did in the first term.
SPEAKER 14 :
And so, and again, I've talked with so many people that they say, I love looking at the news every morning because it's, and there's some things that Trump really has delivered on. And one of those is the border. And of course, since we've last talked, Trent Luce, we had this attack up in Boulder. A guy with an incendiary device threw it into a crowd of people. people that were having a vigil for Israelis that are being held in Gaza.
SPEAKER 07 :
I followed that, Kim.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and it's crazy to me that we have a guy that's here illegally, and then the Biden administration gave him a work visa, and then come to find out he's got a family of five children and a wife here as well. And my understanding, again, I think Richard said that these people are on a plane out of America. But I do think that Trump's done a good job on this out-of-control immigration. So I'm happy about that.
SPEAKER 07 :
I've got a different take on that now. And I keep track of what Kristi Noem does because she's encroaching upon violating our liberty as individual citizens. or legal entities in this country. And it appears to me, and I always ask the question, Kim, because I went to the border, you know, I got banned on four different social media sites from Eagle pass, Texas. And I had a personal tour with the Texas national guard at Eagle pass and where they're crossing. And I was there and help detail. I didn't help, but I was there standing with the front line, the Texas national guard. When these people were crossing the river, this young couple were crossing the river, and the day before I was there, 1,700 crossed the river. But what I never could figure out is that during that entire time that Biden was welcoming and paying people and just encroaching upon our constitutional authority every single day, the media was bringing it to us every day. Every day they were telling us how unconstitutional Biden really was. And this is a media that was his friend. And I'm like, why are they showing us? Why are they getting people in the United States so outraged and letting us know what he's actually doing? Now I know. And I know because the rally cry and the people who are supporting Trump because he's fixing this Biden problem. We are being played like pawns in a chess game. They wanted these atrocities to be so big that it would appear as though Trump's fixing them when, in fact, we need to keep track of the people who he is violating their rights. We need to maintain the Constitution first and foremost. There is a legal way to come into this country. And if they're here illegally, we need to get rid of them. What does that look like? I don't even know. I'm pretty sure it doesn't include putting them in an El Salvador prison and paying the El Salvadorians Six million dollars a year to house them. How does that benefit our problem other than making it safer here for our citizens?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, that seems like a good idea. Yeah, that seems like a good idea.
SPEAKER 07 :
How many legal people are you willing to sacrifice in the name of fixing these Biden problems?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, but now I know that you've got the example of your friend out in Nevada, and he's had some workers come in on the visa programs. But it sure seems to me like Trump is sending a whole bunch of people back that are not here legally. And that, I think, needs to be done, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 07 :
I do, but you didn't answer my question. How many legal residents or legal workers are you willing to sacrifice to get rid of Biden's problems? Because there were two raids on two businesses in Madison, South Dakota, three weeks ago, and there were people legally working in those two places. By the way, as governor of South Dakota, Kristi Noem gives one of these entities a grant to continue to expand and do things in Madison. Three days after she comes back to speak as Secretary of Homeland Security, there's a raid in Madison, South Dakota. They take people into custody, some of them legal to be here working, and now their future is in jeopardy here. How many people are we willing to risk? And I also have employers telling me that we have legal people showing up that are not willing to come to work here. because they're afraid that they're going to be confused for somebody and deported, so they go off the grid. That's happened every single week I get somebody telling me, I've got that happening at my place.
SPEAKER 14 :
So the question is, then, and I see what your question is, and we'll leave that on the table, go to break and come back, is, of course, the answer is, ideally, we don't want to sacrifice anyone that is here legally and or American citizens. But the question is, then, on the table is, how do we... what do we do? Because there are so many people that are here illegally. What do we do? So we'll leave that as the question out there. And I know that we also want to get to executive orders. I did some homework on executive orders as well. And a couple of things. I wanted to mention the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo on the Riverwalk. I would highly recommend that it would be something that you would visit with the children sometime this summer. Because the Portraits of Valor tell the story of these men that took action when a situation presented itself to defend those around them and save lives. And the center is nonpolitical. It's nonpartisan. It's just focused on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And those things have really been under attack, just like our Second Amendment. And that's why I'm very pleased to have the Second Syndicate as the sponsor of the show.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we will be broadcasting a show for America's Veterans Stories this Sunday with World War II Iwo Jima veteran Don Whipple. And Don just recently passed on, very special man. And in his honor, we will be rebroadcasting this interview. His services will be later on in this month, which I will have the honor of attending. He will be buried out at Fort Logan tonight. And so the USMC Memorial Foundation is doing such amazing work to remember and honor those that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives for our liberty. And it's important to support them. You can do that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That's usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Trent Luce is on the line. We're talking about the Trump administration had mentioned immigration. And this came in here and from one of our listeners said that I said that the majority of us are willing to have the people here legally, which to me is questionable. Look at the guy here. that did the Criminal Act in Boulder. And actually, this is a really important point, and that is, from an immigration standpoint, bringing people in, these students in to come into our premier universities such as Harvard, It's changed the fabric of our universities. I remember I was out in California and I went over to Stanford because I wanted to go to the library and try to do some research. I think it was on Valerie Jarrett. I was trying to find a yearbook regarding when she was at Stanford. I think that's right. And interestingly enough, in the library, when I got there, that particular yearbook that I was looking for was missing, which I thought was curious at the time. But anyway, the fabric of Stanford was not the cross-section of America. It looked to me like it was primarily students from other countries. And now we're looking at it from a money standpoint. That's what's happened at many of the premier universities. So we've got we've got a lot of work to do on this immigration side. But I do think that Trump's doing a lot of good stuff on this at Trent Luce. And so what would your what would be your response? How many people here illegally are we willing to keep here illegally? in order to protect some people that have come here legally. How many people should we keep here illegally to protect those, Trent Luce?
SPEAKER 07 :
Number one, I believe the whole immigration thing is a distraction from the true cost of Trump, which is local control loss and a screwed-up energy policy and food policy. Number two, all universities, not just the Harvards and Stanfords of the world, have this whole DEI admission thing that's been taking place. Our two daughters are at smaller schools. It's the same thing at every school. That's gravely concerning. And we need to get the illegals out of this country. But let's remind ourselves that before Biden became president, there were 12 million. We knew. We talked about it. 12 million illegals in this country. There needs to be a plan and a slow approach to correcting this wrong. We've been going about it in this haphazard, quick way, and I'm not willing to sacrifice one legal citizen or legal worker in this country to accelerate getting the rest out. Why can't we take our time and do it with investigations like anybody would do? Why is that to be done by July 4th?
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, energy policy. Again, we've seen headlines, drill, baby, drill, shovel, baby, shovel, which I like very much. And we're all very encouraged here in Colorado with Chris Wright as the Secretary of the Department of Energy. And then I've seen two different headlines. One, you had mentioned that in the executive order that Trump had issued that he was in support of the CO2 pipelines. And then I thought I saw another headline that said he was not. But it makes no sense to be bearing CO2, which is plant food, under the ground. And you and I have talked about that many, many times. And Rami Johnson and I were up in Cheyenne yesterday speaking about a Climate Conversation, our documentary. So, you know, where are we at on these CO2 pipelines with Trump?
SPEAKER 07 :
He's 100 percent supportive. I've got that directly from somebody who called. I was standing by a guy called Donald Trump Jr. He's because he takes all of his energy direction from Harold Hamm. Harold Hamm is the guy who created and took to the field fracking. Harold Hamm has invested billions into CO2 pipelines. He is going to he is the reason Trump is the reason that it was in that big, ugly package to begin with. We were told he was very reluctant to pull it out. There's a delegation of South Dakota state elected officials who are in D.C. today to try to get on top of this. I still expect him to federalize it and tell the states that they have no control over CO2 pipelines. I today, later this afternoon, I'm going to where they are currently constructing CO2 pipelines in my home state of Nebraska to go to that area today. that you were in yesterday, to bury it a mile and a half deep under earth. They always throw out there that this is all about enhanced oil recovery. Well, if it was, they'd already be doing it because once they put it in a place of pore space under Cheyenne or in the Denver Formation or in the Bakken in North Dakota, it has to stay there for 12 years. So it's not about enhanced oil recovery. We're being lied to. and we're putting people at risk and the people that I probably care most about in this scenario are the first responders who are not properly educated about how CO2 works, what happens when you encroach upon it. It happened in Mississippi. There was a rupture. All of the first responders show up. Their engines died. There were 70-some people that ended up in the hospital. This thing will kill people. It is what we use. CO2 is what we use to kill pigs, turkeys, and chickens. And I have noticed, and I'll challenge all of our listeners here, Take note of the gas stations that are now moving their CO2 containers outside of the gas station instead of keeping it inside. And that's because 100 people a year die in restaurants and bars and gas stations and places that have CO2 containers. These canisters will kill and so will a CO2 pipeline when the CO2 is compressed to 2200 PSI and expands at 500 times the rate it was in that pipeline.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so we always make the argument in climate conversation that CO2 is plant food, that CO2 is good for us, that with CO2, plants thrive and prosper. But you just said that CO2 kills people. Doesn't that play into the narrative of those that say that CO2 is bad?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, not at all, because CO2 is in the Earth's atmosphere at 430 parts per million. A greenhouse that uses CO2 as literal plant food, like God put it in the atmosphere, has it 800 parts per million. It doesn't kill anybody in a greenhouse at 800 parts per million. It kills people when it's concentrated in a pipeline and asphyxiates them because it removes oxygen from their lungs. We have it at 7%. In the turkey, chicken, and pork facilities that use it, 7% of the atmosphere is CO2, and at 7%, it kills people. At 0.043%, it's plant food. It's about the concentration. You have no danger if you just allow it in the atmosphere or put it in a greenhouse. When you compress it in a pipeline at 2200 PSI and it expands until it disbands, you're in danger. The kill zone... We've determined the kill zone is at least six miles on a 24-inch pipeline with compressed CO2 at 2200 PSI. Six miles. You have two minutes to get out of that path or you will die.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, now I'm going to change gears going back to something that came in on immigration. And this is something that Helen Creeble, who she's since passed on, but we have her in between the first and second hour with the Linza Liberty. And she's really just very reasonable in things that she, as she looks at government and proper role of government. And she had come up with something called the red card solution. regarding immigration and employers that need to have workers to come in across the border. And the red card solution would be that these people that want to come to America would be vetted on the other side of the border. They would have a red card, which meant that they could come in and they could work here in America and they would be here legally. And that seemed like that was a solution that made a lot of sense. Are you familiar with the red card solution? Have you heard that before?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I haven't.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Well, and I know that former Congressman Greg Lopez, that is something that he's put forward as well, and he and Helen Kriebel knew each other very well. And, again, that would be to have people vetted on the other side of the border. They would be given a red card where they could come in. And they could work here. And I think the employers would be involved in that as well, probably interviewing people to come in and work as well. So let's change gears. You know what? We're just about to.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let me just make another comment about that. People always say we need immigration reform. We do not. We need immigration enforcement. We have a green card system. We have an H-2A system. We don't need anything else. We simply need to follow the rules and the Constitution that we currently have.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I don't disagree with you on that either. And OK, so we'll continue these discussions. We need to talk about executive orders because I did some homework on that. And I know that that's one of the things that you're very concerned about, Trent Luce. And these discussions happen because of our sponsors. If you've been injured, you want to make sure that you reach out to John Bozen and Bozen Law.
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It's a great day to be here.
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It is a great day to be alive, and we are in this battle for our state and for our country to get government back in its proper constitutional role. I'm talking with Trent Luce, a sixth-generation farmer and rancher, and we have Eric on the line. And Eric is so well-informed on so many issues. Eric, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 10 :
Welcome. Well, thank you, Kim, for welcoming me. Hi, Trent, you great American. Hey, Eric. I got a simple fix. I was talking to Kim's great producer, Joe. I mean, a work release jail program. You know, the short timers that are in jail, Kim, for a year or so that are on minor charges, misdemeanors, you know, driving offenses, simple stuff like that. I would be the first one to raise my hand if Trent Luce was the sheriff of that specific jail. Who wants to go work? I do. Well, we got construction work. We got farmer work. We got all this kind of work to do. Who's willing to do what? I'm willing to do anything. Kim, imagine all the money that I'm going to speak for myself that I'm going to be making today. If I work minimum wage to replace all these illegal aliens jobs that people say that the American people won't do, I'm an American. I would do it. It would solve all the problems because they're all over the America, Trent and Kim, to do that job release jail program. And you would get a lot of qualified people that are in jail that wouldn't know how to do that. As a resource. I don't know. What do you guys think?
SPEAKER 14 :
I think that that's a great idea. And this came in from on the text line. It says, I absolutely respect and love to hear Eric Manning on all of these radio shows. You tell him that we all support him immensely. And thank you. So you're always thinking outside the box. Trench your comments on that. And then we've got Ron on the line as well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Actually, I think this has legs, and mostly because four times I've been to Louisiana State Penitentiary as a visitor, not as a resident, just in case you're wondering. Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola is very unique in the country. The Texan prison system and Louisiana prison system still have farms. These inmates... who are trustees, what Eric just said, have earned the right to go and be trusted, go out. And I have personally witnessed 1,000 inmates at Angola hoeing a row, and 100% of the food consumed in the Louisiana State Penitentiary is grown in their prison system at the hands of the people who are occupying those prisons themselves. to take that to the next step and bring them out and work on farms and in industry, I have no problem with that whatsoever. I think it has absolute tremendous merit. The only thing I want to make sure that Eric's clear on that he said, I do not support illegal workers in this country. I support the legal system being enforced so that people feel comfortable legally working in any of the jobs that Americans won't do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and to Eric's point, though, we need to get to a point where there has to be – I don't ever remember thinking that there are jobs that Americans shouldn't do. I don't think that any work should be beneath us if, in fact, we're working to take care of our families and put food on the table. Ron, what is on your radar?
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, Kim. Yeah, I have this deal with these Muslims and – jihadists and all this other stuff if if it was you or i or um trent loose or anybody said that we if you don't believe in what we believe we're going to kill you the whole world would come down on us they would call us hitler uh nazis they would go in there but yet these people can go in here and do this and catch people on fire and uh you know through all this hate speech and and cause riots and everything, and it's supposed to be okay. I don't understand. I think we should deport them all and let them fight their wars and everything in their country because their own people won't even take them. They won't even take them in other Muslim countries. So what does that say?
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. I think that's a very interesting point as far as there seems to be no tolerance for the Western worldview, but there seems to be, there's been so much tolerance for other worldviews here in America. So Ron, thank you. Trent, you want to weigh in on that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Only that I believe in the Second Amendment, as I believe in all of the Constitution. And I also believe that you need to be here legally. If you're not here legally, you're subject to leaving.
SPEAKER 14 :
I and that's what we need to have the Trump administration doing. So let's see. Let's go through. This is another comment. This goes going to the CO2 pipelines and we'll have to do executive orders next week. I think it says this is from Sandra. She said regarding the CO2 lines going underground, who will be liable when they would rupture? That's a really good legal question. What what's your thoughts on that, Trent?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, there's actually precedent because the companies where the rupture was in Mississippi and then there was a rupture in Louisiana, which did not have any human impact. The companies that built them claimed immunity and the insurance company was left holding the bag. The insurance company, now you have a growing number of insurance companies who are openly stating, we will not insure your property if you have CO2 pipelines underneath them.
SPEAKER 14 :
So then ultimately where that will probably go back to is to the taxpayer then, right?
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 07 :
The same people that paid for it, the people that don't want it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And yet the whole reason they're chasing it is for this $85 per metric ton tax credit. Who needs a tax credit? The Bill Gates, the Jeff Bezos, the Warren Buffetts of the world, and George Soros, believe it or not, needs a tax credit apparently. These are the people that chase this.
SPEAKER 14 :
But I thought that these elites are the ones that said that everybody needs to pay their fair share. So you're saying that they actually want to get tax credits so that they don't have to pay some of their taxes, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
I would just say that there's a lot of people seeking to get the headlines that are going to be pleasing to people. But if you follow their actions on the ground, it doesn't match their rhetoric, which is why I have a problem with Trump.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we certainly – okay, next question, and we only have a few minutes. But would you be more happy with Kamala Harris, Trent Luce?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, absolutely not. And the reason Kamala Harris was there is because people knew that Trump was going to be a problem, but they brought a negative 50 in to compete against a zero. So no way was Kamala Harris better. Absolutely not. The question should be why in the United States of America in 2024 are these the two options we have to pick as the leader of the best free world in the world?
SPEAKER 14 :
But who do you think would have – I think that Trump is a man for this time because America has been on a trajectory that's not sustainable. Of course, then I look at the spending here.
SPEAKER 07 :
Who built that from 2016 to 2020?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it was before 2016. It was before 2016.
SPEAKER 07 :
Look at the acceleration at 2016 to 2020 and the size of government and the intrusion at every level of local government. It accelerated in 2016 to 2020. And keep in mind, I was on the Trump advisory tag advisory committee during that four year period of time. I had a direct line to the White House. And it was the things that I was getting back, the feedback that I was getting, the people that I was communicating with. And the people who will not be a part of this Trump team because we learned in the first Trump fiasco, this is not the place we need to be going.
SPEAKER 14 :
But who would you say would be the person that could lead us out of this place that we have been heading? And I submit it, certainly there are things that happened with COVID, the big expansion of government. I agree with that. But I also think that the expansion of government was much, much earlier than Trump. And it was Obama and it was Clinton and it was the Bushes.
SPEAKER 07 :
So I think that that's... You haven't looked at the expansion under Trump, have you, Kim? Look at how much it expanded under Trump. Look what he's doing to the farm community. Continues to decimate the farm community by giving payments, by giving payments. And we're as bad as a crack-addicted person now. And the answer to your question was Ryan Binkley.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, I'm sorry. So my question was, who would you recommend? And you've got a name for us?
SPEAKER 07 :
Ryan Binkley. I was supporting Ryan Binkley through the entire Republican primary and had him on the air several times. And the man would have been the best person to begin the process. And we're not going to make it happen overnight. That's the issue. But he was the one in the field that you asked me who it was. That's who I chose and that's who I supported.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I don't know him. So we've got two minutes. Tell me about this guy.
SPEAKER 07 :
He's a businessman and a pastor from Dallas, Texas that just put God first, understood the power of we the people, and because he was the right one, at every turn, he was rejected. He did actually finish higher in most primaries than people give him credit for because anybody who met him, anybody that knew him, knew he was the real deal. And consequently, media didn't want you to know about him.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and coming in on the text line, there are a number of listeners that said that we are Trump supporters and we have these discussions because we have to have these discussions because these discussions are happening in our state and in our country. And we have to have these important discussions so that we can reclaim Colorado and reclaim America. So I appreciate you, Trent Luce. I'll be thinking a lot about this conversation throughout the week. And I think it's important to have them. So have a great week. What's your final thoughts you'd like to leave with our listeners?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, we talked about the tea party that occurred. We talked about it going to happen. We had our modern-day tea party in Bismarck in the Missouri River. It was fantastic. We need to replicate it all throughout this country.
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And I think that we are in the third founding of our country. And I'll try to get to some of these other text messages as well. But our quote for the end of the show is from Victor Hugo. And he said this, perseverance is the secret of all triumphs. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you and God bless America.
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And fast on a rough road riding High through the mountains climbing Twisting, turning further from my home Young like a new moon rising Fierce through the rain and lightning Wandering out into this great home And I don't want no one to cry But tell them if I don't say
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