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In this engaging episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush delves into the intricacies of planning for retirement with guest Al Smith. They discuss the importance of financial planning, the impact of relocation on retirement savings, and the demographic shifts in retirement destinations across the United States. Al sheds light on questions retirees should consider, such as where to live and how much money is enough for the lifestyle they envision. Dive deep into these practical insights to better prepare for the future without financial stress. Beyond finances, John addresses health concerns, specifically focusing on Alzheimer's disease. Learn about the latest findings on potential connections between hearing loss and dementia, and what it means for future preventive care. This episode underscores the importance of understanding the complexities of Alzheimer's and shares personal reflections on health, stress reduction, and long-term wellness. Join John for an informative session that blends retirement wisdom with important health discussions, ensuring you're well-prepared for both current and future challenges.
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I'm sorry that I'm fat. All right, happy Wednesday, Health and Wellness Wednesday. I'm your host, John Rush, of course, and I appreciate all of you that join us during this particular hour. Al Smith agreed to hang around with us today after being on air from 2 to 2.30 with his own program. So, Al, welcome.
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Well, thank you for having me, John.
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Always a joy. I know last time we were on, we talked a little bit about not just retirement, but some of the things that people may either get off on. They don't handle correctly or don't think through the entire process correctly. And one of the things that I asked you today before coming on air that I thought we could talk about is how many – People, do you find, or should people be thinking along these lines? You know, the majority of your clients are going to be from Colorado, and especially in this front-range area, we live in a more-than-average expense area for the country. In fact, there's a lot of places, Al, that you could literally cut maybe not – in half, but darn near depending upon what part of the country you're, you know, you're willing to move to and live in. So you could literally cut your expenses back considerably. So my question to you was, is is that or should that be a part of what people think about in our area when it comes to retirement? Or should they just factor in, you know, making sure they've got enough socked away to where you can still live in Colorado if you want to?
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Well, that's a big question because last time we talked about ways of making your money go farther and so forth once you're in retirement and possibly one of the best ways or easiest ways to do that is also a bit burdensome and that's moving. Moving is no fun. I moved my office a couple of months ago and I had been there about six years, and when you're somewhere six years, you accumulate a lot of stuff. But as far as relocating, there's a lot of reasons. Some people relocate to be closer to their grandchildren, whether that's a good idea or not. Kind of depends on your relationship with the grandchildren and what else you had going on in between. But I did a little bit of research, and in 2022, they said 235,000 people moved right at retirement. In 2023, it was 338,000. It was up about 44%. So the trend is kind of going that direction, it looks. It really is. And the cities where the most people are moving in relation to the size of the community, Mesa, Arizona had 4,453 people move there who are retirement age. Okay. And rather, Arizona in general had 23,000. And I don't think it's any surprise that Florida had an increase of people over age 60 of 77,000. Wow.
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That's a pretty sizable amount of people. And granted, I know Florida's big. Arizona's a fairly good-sized state as well, and you could spread those around. Although typically, as you know, Al, that's not usually the way it works. They kind of concentrate in particular areas where there's other like-minded people. I've been to Mesa, Arizona. I have family there, actually, so I can understand that. And your stats are showing they're not moving where it's cold.
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Well, here's the most surprising statistic when I looked this up a few minutes ago. Which state would you think has the highest percentage of people over age 60?
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The highest percentage of people over age 60.
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Not moved there, but just the highest percentage of people over age 60. Florida.
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Florida.
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Maine.
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Really? I wouldn't have guessed that.
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Neither would I have. The next ones to that, that's 30%. The next one to that were Vermont and Delaware at 29%. Those are both cold states also.
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I would not have guessed that one at all. Delaware being a little better than the other two, but still, yeah, I wouldn't have guessed that. So, Al, point being, and this is something that I even say this when you're not with me, that the thing that you do that's a little differently than most financial planners, and I know because I've known some of these individuals, is one of the things that you do, sit down and ask people are these very questions. What are you going to do once you get to that point in your life? In other words, what are your plans? Are you going to continue to work? Do you want to work? Are you going to volunteer? Where do you want to live in the country? Because all these things come into play when it comes to making sure that you've got enough resources when you get to that point in life.
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Well, exactly. And I ask my clients or prospective clients, what do you want your retirement to look like? Not just how much money do you want to have, but what do you want your retirement to look like? And then we can sort of convert that to retirement. a financial thing some activities in retirement cost very little some are rather expensive and and that's why what you want your retirement to look like is important and if where you live isn't terribly important then i don't think relocating is a bad idea at all
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Well, especially when, in some cases, Al, you'll have individuals, couples that will do very well with the home that they've got now as far as getting it paid off. It may be free and clear and so on. And, again, that can come into play when it comes to retirement and all of that because your expenses, of course, are less because there's no mortgage payments to make on the same token. If you're in a place like Colorado and you can go – live in a similar or maybe even downsize a little bit in house size from where you are here versus other places you may very well be able to do that still live without a mortgage but put some money in the bank at the same time and that's where i'm going with this is you know is that or should that be a part of somebody's you know retirement you know formula and i get it there's a lot of other questions that have to be answered as to you know where do you want to live and so on but i think One of the things that I would caution people, I'm not a financial advisor, but one of the things I would caution on is you have to think through these things because if you think that, well, I'm just going to stay here in Colorado until I die, well, maybe that all depends on how well you've done financially to be able to handle our continual raising of costs here in Colorado, not just property taxes, Al, but all of the other ancillary things that go along with it. Again, we don't live in a cheap area as far as the country goes.
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No, we really don't. And to say I want to stay here until I die, if someone is that attached to a particular place, whether it's Colorado or Los Angeles or Chicago, whatever it is, if you have adequate resources and if you're that adamant about not leaving, then we have to plan with that in mind. But on the other hand, if you want your money to go farther, consider some other locations. Tennessee we were talking about. Arkansas has some beautiful areas.
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Even you mentioned, believe it or not, folks, Mesa, Arizona is cheaper than most of the front range of Colorado. Not a lot, but it is cheaper. And a lot of the other areas that you're talking about, Al, even though there's no snow and it's warmer, and granted, there's always trade-offs. Arizona, awfully hot in the summer. Florida, more bugs and snakes and things. So I get it. There's always these trade-offs that you have to look at, but... We again, as we know here, we do not live in a inexpensive area. And you can typically find other areas that are very climate friendly, I guess you could say, that are less costly to live in than what we have right here.
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And there are parts of Colorado who, not who, but that are less expensive. True. The western slope and the Pueblo area are both growing areas that have a lot of things to do that are substantially less expensive than the metro area.
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That's a very good point. And, again, I'm just saying, folks, think about all these things. These are things that you'll sit down and have a conversation with Al on. And, again, it's Health and Wellness Wednesday, so we not only want you to be healthy now, but also as you get to and closer to retirement. And then that health, Al, isn't just our physical health, but the financial health, which, as we know, less stress, financially speaking, means overall better health, because I've talked about this numerous times before. during this hour and have many, many interviews, one of the first things that a lot of doctors and nutritionists and so on will tell you is if you want to live a more healthy life, reduce your stress.
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Well, exactly. And I think it sounds like it doesn't even bother to be stated. But, you know, go where you're happy. And if having more money is going to make you happier and doesn't matter where you live, then think about relocating. If you're firmly ingrained to staying in Colorado, make sure you have enough in your nest egg. that you can continue to live here. If you'd like to have a conversation with me about that, I can be reached at 303-744-1128. Thank you, John, for having me on.
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Thank you, Al, as well. And again, you can also find Al at klzradio.com, rushtoreason.com, on my other sites, on the weekends, drive-radio.com, you name it, you can find Al. If you find me, you're going to find Al, and I would encourage you to sit down and have a conversation. Again, Al, thank you very much. Veteran Windows and Doors coming up next. And again, always a great deal at Veteran Windows and Doors. And right now, buy three windows, enjoy 35% off by four or more, and it's 40% off with free installation. Find Dave by going to klzradio.com.
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And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Health and Wellness Wednesday. I do have a special guest joining us at 3.30. Adam Gunton's going to join us, and we're going to be talking about, believe it or not, influence upon drinking and things along those lines. And this may not necessarily affect those of you listening, but you may have other folk you could pass this along to, coworkers, family, kids, things like that. So we'll talk about that here in just a little bit. In the meantime, I had a great article. I was going to talk about this last week, just didn't have a chance to. And that is and it's something that is, I think, on a lot of people's minds. And that's Alzheimer's, mainly because like cancer, the majority of us will have someone either in our own family, somebody immediate, somebody that we know, a good friend that develops Alzheimer's. And by the way, it's not just something that people in their late stages of life, what I mean by late stages is there can be people literally in their 50s. that can develop Alzheimer's. It's not something that is only for those that are 80 years of age and above. I've known some folks that have had it and know somebody right now that's in that 50 range, late 50s, early 60s that has it. I know some folks in their 70s. As you guys all know, my dad, who's in his mid-80s, is suffering from it. So it's something that will affect a lot of individuals. And I also will say this. It's not always the same. And we've talked to brain experts, Alzheimer's experts when it comes to that. Not every single Alzheimer's patient will do the same things, for example. Some have greater memory loss than others. Some it comes on really hard. Some it's a gradual thing that happens. They're trying to do more and more testing, of course, to determine is there things that can be done through either lifestyle changes or medicines and things like that. And right now, no, there is no direct cure for Alzheimer's. That's the one bad thing about it. There really isn't. In some cases, there's some treatments and things that they can do to help manage and or slow things down. And a lot of it. We've talked to experts that have come on this program, and I've got an article in front of me where there are other things you can do to try to stave it off and or slow it down. And the one thing that we still do not know is where does it come from? Is it hereditary? Is it not? Is it ingrained into your DNA from the very get-go and just eventually it comes on? Honestly, folks, no matter what experts will tell you, no one really knows. It can go from generation to generation. It can also skip. it can not affect every single sibling uh this all sorts of things that no one knows at this point and the reality is it's just something that we're learning more and more of and my own personal opinion is it's been around for quite some time people just didn't know exactly how to label it and as we've gotten further down the line there's more technology to actually do brain scans and things like that i think they're learning more and more on on the diagnosis end of things But unfortunately, it affects a lot of individuals. I'll just say it that way. Now, can we prevent it? My wife and I were talking about this earlier this week, and there are all sorts of studies, and you'll read all sorts of things on, you know, eat this, take this medicine, do this. You know, they've determined that exercise is one of the great ways to stave off Alzheimer's. Although, no matter what anybody tells you and what you read, Is there any foolproof cure and or staving off Alzheimer's at this point? I can't answer that, to be honest with you. I think, personally speaking, and I'm talking because my dad has it, so is it going to be something that's passed down from him to me? I have no idea. Honestly, I do not know. Are there things that even somebody like I can do to not – How should I say this? Because it's not a contractual disease, so I'm not saying that right. But is it something that if it is inside of me, can I push it off farther and farther? That's probably the best way for me to say that. And the reality is I don't know. I don't know. It's interesting though when somebody is affected by something directly, you'll typically do more studying on that particular item than when you're not affected by it. So for example, somebody that has had a very close relative that's had some form of cancer, you'll learn more about that particular form of cancer, know more about it than what you would otherwise. This is similar in my particular case, very similar, because I do all sorts of reading and studying and so on on this particular disease. A, because it's affecting my father as we speak. It actually affected my grandmother and his mother. And would it affect me? Again, folks, I don't know. But I will tell you this. I want to do everything I possibly can to try to stave these things off if, in fact, they may be in my future. So here's some things for some of you listening where you may even be affected by this or you have some family members that are affected by this. This was interesting as I was reading through this a couple of weeks ago. There is a new study that's been published in JAMA that suggests as many as 32% of dementia cases can be attributed to hearing loss. In other words, staving off or reversing hearing loss might be a way of staving off Alzheimer's. So we had this conversation among several of us not that long ago talking about hearing aids. And there is a real aversion in some people's minds to not getting a hearing aid. It's almost like Charlie. That's sort of that last hurdle where, OK, I've got a hearing aid. Now I'm old. Well, folks, there are young people. I've got a good friend of mine. They've got a grandchild that will have to have a hearing aid because of loss in one particular ear and not a very old young lady and will have a hearing aid most of her life. And they are going to do some surgery and things like that. But point being, you could be extremely young or extremely old or in between and have a hearing aid. It shouldn't be associated with, oh, man, I'm old. I need a hearing aid. But for some people, I think it is. And here's my point with that. Don't let that be you because what this particular study is learning is as you lose your hearing, that plays a larger role, a much larger role than what people figured initially when it comes to dementia and Alzheimer's. So if getting hearing aids allows you to hear better and is a way for you to help stave off that other sides of things, Alzheimer's and dementia, then why not? And I don't think any of us, myself included, probably do enough when it comes to hearing checks and going to an audiologist and actually going through that process. I'll be straight up honest. I haven't done that since I was a kid, Charlie. Now... Depending upon who you talk to, they may even tell you that, are you hearing as well as you used to? Now, I think a lot of men have selective hearing, so I'm not sure that that really is a good indication, depending upon who you're talking to and what they're saying. But I do think it's important to have those things checked, and I'm one of those that will have to do that here in the not-too-distant future and figure out, okay, where am I at on that spectrum? I don't need hearing aids. I can tell you that right now. I hear well enough to where I don't need aids, but I want to know where I'm at. On a scale of 1 to 10, for example, where are you? Have you had your hearing checked of late, Charlie? He hasn't either. So both of us probably should go and get that done, although I've – Charlie just said, what did I say? Duh. Anyways, this is one of those things in this study that came out talking about how you should have this particular done. It also says in 2019, the CDC estimated that 13 percent of Americans – Get this, 13%. So that's over 1 in 10 of Americans age 18 and above. Age 18 and above experience difficult hearing at some point. That's not old, folks. 18 is extremely young. So to be 18 all the way up to your 90s, 1 out of 10, actually it's over that, 1.3 out of 10, have some sort of a difficulty hearing. Now, here's another prediction I've got, and this will be interesting to see whether I'm right, wrong, or otherwise. I talked about this the other day in the fact that as I travel and I notice that there is a lot of people, young and old, with white earbuds in their ears. Now, I will tell you that even being here on air, the one thing that I – and I wear earbuds. I don't wear earmuffs. I wear buds – It long story, but for me doing what I do and some of the things I have to do and even talking to some people when they're in the studio and you guys don't know this, but sometimes people come and go and so on. And there's things going on that you don't always hear that I need to hear. And for me, it's much easier to slip an earbud in and out on one ear so I can still hear what's going on in the background through the other ear. So my right ear, I've almost got an earbud in three plus hours a day. My left ear, it varies. It comes in and out. Depends on what I'm doing. And I do that, A, so I can hear better outside of what's going on on air. But I also understand that those earbuds in my ear, and I keep the volume down pretty low. I also know that that's not the best thing for your hearing. You'll hear that people in this industry, Charlie knows this as well, people in this industry that have some sort of a ear, hearing muffs, whatever, on a good portion of their job, it can affect their hearing negatively. So I'm very aware of that, and I do my very best to make sure I don't wear these things any longer than I have to. All that being said, I have to wonder, the younger generation, especially, that have earbuds in constantly, and I mean that sincerely. There are some cases I'm wondering, are they made into their ear? Because I look at some of these kids at times, I'm not sure they ever come out. And how good is that for their hearing or how hard on their hearing is that down the road? And I guess time will tell. My own personal feeling is it's going to be a lot worse down the road than we think. And folks, I think, down the road 25, 30 years from now are going to look back and say, man alive, I shouldn't have worn those things as much as I did. So food for thought. That is nothing that I've ever had any kind of experts come on and talk about when it comes to earbuds, pods, things like that. But I do think it's something that you need to be careful of. And I think this particular study shows that. Bottom line, this entire article is talking about how that is one thing, losing your hearing. Getting more sleep is a big deal. Taking a multivitamin, also a big deal when it comes to staving off Alzheimer's. And then believe it or not, drinking coffee and tea regularly actually helps reduce your chances of Alzheimer's. So with that, I know we've got a guest joining us in a moment. 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This isn't rage radio. This is real, relatable radio. Back to Rush to Reason.
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And we are back. Thanks for listening. Health and Wellness Wednesday, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Our next guest, Adam Gunton, joining us now. Adam, welcome. How are you? Doing so good. How are you doing? I'm doing great. I appreciate you joining us, former star athlete. You've turned into a recovery advocate, and you bring some great insight into friendships and things along those lines when it comes to the red flags at this time of the year especially. These things can be here. all the time i know adam as well but we're kind of in that season to where a lot of things going on a lot of you know you can tailgate and parties and different things and reality is sometimes those folks that were around may not be the best influence upon us right yeah absolutely i heard it from jim rohn first that the five people you spend most time with are the five people you become yeah you know when i was raising my kids and i think i still try to you know throw this into even my grandkids you are who you hang out with is what i used to tell them
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A hundred percent. And it's true.
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It is.
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I think it doesn't necessarily mean that people need to look around them and, and judge the people around them, but you should look at yourself and what you want with your life and just see if the people around you are going to take you there.
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Yeah. No, I appreciate you saying that because it's, you know, are these people helping you get where you want to go or are they either a holding you back or dragging you down? A hundred percent. Yep. Yep. I agree. Okay. So what are some of the red flags that we may not be hanging around with some of the best people?
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Well, I notice it with mental health. Like if you're noticing a lot of negative thought patterns or if you're noticing negative emotions in yourself, obviously you need to regulate it with your morning routine, with your exercise and your reading and things like that. But what I discovered this, that first time that I read that and listened to that from Jim Rohn, Um, he said the five people you spend most time with you're the sum average of them. So I sat down and actually wrote out the five people that I've been spending most time with, and then wrote the three emotions that I associated to each of them. Like, what do I think they're feeling the most? And then the three thoughts that I think that they're thinking about the most, like, what do we talk about? And then I took their income that I think they make each month. And then I circled the three emotions that showed up the most out of those 15, the three thoughts that showed up the most out of those 15. And then I took those five incomes and divided them by five. And that was me, those three emotions, those three thoughts, and that income was exactly where I was at. So I started getting more intentional with it. And I think, Red flags are, are you doing things that are misaligned with your values? Are you doing things that you wouldn't normally do? Are you feeling ways you wouldn't normally feel?
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Well said on all counts. I coach small businesses as well outside of what I do here, Adam, and some of what you're talking about I'll have those same conversations with. some of my owners, because it's not any different there. If you want to be a really good, successful business owner, are you hanging around others that are, or are you hanging around guys that continually are in bankruptcy and can't seem to get their head above water? Because in relation to what you're saying, it's the same way on the business side. It's no different.
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100%.
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I'm actually going out to Vegas on Sunday to be in a mastermind with Scott. So I'm only going to be about 60 to 70 of us in the room, but we're all a seven figure business owners, you know, and then the people are teaching us how to scale beyond that. Yeah. And then I'm sponsoring an event, uh, here in Denver. on June 20th that's for Christian small businesses. Nice, nice. We should get together outside the radio.
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Yeah, I would appreciate that. We very much speak the same language. No, let's do that. When I let you go, I will just put you on hold, and we'll get some direct contact. That way I'll have Charlie get some things from you so that we can do that. No, I would very much appreciate that. We very much think alike, because I, like you, I firmly believe that, A, you are who you are, hang out with. And if people aren't lifting you up and aren't helping you and encouraging you, then I hate to be this blunt, Adam, find new friends. Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
And I also found that, you know, a lot of us have the heart to help the people around us. You know, a lot of people have that. So we want to bring the people with us. And what we don't recognize is that people that don't want to be brought with you aren't going to come with you. And we're much more it's much easier to be pulled down than it is to pull somebody up that's dead weight. So we want to be conscious of that also.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, so here's a question, and these are things, again, that I have either been through or helped others through, and that is sometimes those that we're even close to, family members, for example, Adam, can very much be those people that are also dragging us down. How do you deal with those particular individuals?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, it's a tough question because it's so personal and dependent on the person's situation. Because I come in the recovery field. I've heard the worst of the worst family situations where absolutely you should just cut yourself off from there. And our family has known us since we were born. Right. So they know the things, the buttons to push. That's right. The things that can really hit us hard.
SPEAKER 16 :
And sometimes they do, by the way.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, yeah. And sometimes they don't even intentionally do it.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, it just happens.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, we just grew up together. That's right. And I think it takes us being consciously aware to create those boundaries where we cut it off immediately. And if you do it enough, it doesn't matter how long you've known somebody. If you say, I'm not going to talk like that anymore. um this is my boundary and i'm walking away from this and if you say that enough times you actually stand firm with that and you walk away what you'll notice is that they will stop that behavior true that's a boundary i'm not letting that happen anymore and then there's also you know you don't have to hang out with them every week true you know i i love my family and my family is amazing to me like They treat me well. I've been really, really blessed growing up. But I've had to coach a lot of people that the family is the one that's bringing them down, and you've got to be careful with it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well said, because I think for a lot of folks that are out there listening, they are probably nodding and agreeing with us right through the speaker or whatever device they're listening to us on, Adam, because they're saying, yep, I hear you. I've been through the exact same thing. And I will tell you, Adam, and you know this as well as anyone, The farther up, I hate to use the term ladder, but the farther along in life we go and the more accomplishments we kind of get underneath our belt, and maybe I'm wrong in saying this, Adam, and maybe this is just me, but the fewer and fewer people you find around you that are actually helping you along that journey. Am I right or wrong?
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 18 :
100%. And actually, it's really interesting because two weeks ago, two or three weeks ago, someone called me. A guy called me that I've been friends with for a while and he asked me how I'm doing. You know, I go into the small talk and then I'm like sitting there waiting for him to ask what he needs from me. And then there was this big pause and I was like, did you come to check on me? He was like, yeah. I was like, oh my gosh, thank you, dude. It's been so long since someone has just called to check on me. Wow. You know, and that's, that's the kind of relationship that's really, really powerful when people don't want something from you. And they really genuinely care about how you're doing. And those are the people that you spend more time with them because you're able to grow with them, because you genuinely care about each other's well-being and also how you're doing in life.
SPEAKER 16 :
Amen. I cannot agree with you more on that one. And for a lot of you listening where you're moving along and you think, man, I don't have the friends today that I had even a decade ago. Okay, well... I would do the same exercise, Adam, that you just talked about earlier. Okay, what friends did you have a decade ago? What do you have now? Where are you at versus where are they at? And there's probably a reason why you don't have as many as you had a decade ago.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. And that's okay. What are you doing with your time? What's the most valuable thing? Our time. Yes. And if we actually have a vision for our life, a lot of times we want to be around people to almost excuse our behavior because we can get comforted by the people around us to not pursue our dreams because maybe some of the people around us aren't. But if you have a legitimate desire in your heart that you want to go after, you have to work on that. And if the people around you aren't allowing you to work on that, then what are you doing with them? Oh, that's a great point. There's a lot of them.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that's one of the things that is in my notes. I was going to ask you this anyways, though, because when you get to that level where you feel like, and again, I don't know how many of my listeners have been here, but I have, to where you just feel like, you know, I love you and I love being around you and the relationship we've had and so on. And I'm saying this to myself internally. I'm not saying this out loud, of course, but You're not helping me get where I need to go. So, Adam, how do we exit those relationships and do it in a way to where we're not offending them?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, there's a few different ways. I mean, in a lot of situations, you just kind of say no. Like, yeah, I really don't want to go play volleyball and drink this weekend. Yeah, I'm really actually making a turn in my life. How about we go exercise? invite them to some different things than you're used to doing with them because you're usually doing those drinking communities and stuff like that. And then they'll kind of just either fizzle out or they're the kind of people that, hey, I actually want to do that too. And then you actually start growing together. And I've noticed that when you start doing things that those people don't really want to do, they stop calling.
SPEAKER 16 :
You don't even ever have to have the breakup conversation. That's right. I agree. I've had situations, too, and for a lot of you listening, you may find yourself here. And, again, just sort of by, I don't know, Adam, time, I guess you could say, sort of takes care of some of these things. But I've had relationships in the past where, you know, even other couples where, man, you know, they're fun to be with and I enjoy it. But, man, they're just so negative. I mean, it's always the sky is falling. This is always happening. That's always happening. And it's like, man – At the end of the day, I want to help them. And to your point earlier, I want to reach out. I want to be that person that even they can maybe look up to. But at the same token, I can't hear all that negativity continually because if I do, it's going to drag me down. So eventually they do go off on their own and you do no longer do the things that you once did because of that. And for me personally, it's like I just I can't do that. I got to get away from that. I can't be in that negative environment constantly.
SPEAKER 18 :
A hundred percent. And they actually did a study on this and they found that if you're in a room in a closed off room with five people that have a negative mindset, you are more likely. And one of them has a negative mindset. It's more likely that that person's negative mindset will pass off to the other five people than if that person had a cold. So you're more likely to catch negativity than a contagious cold in a closed-off room.
SPEAKER 16 :
I can believe that. No, I can't. I can't believe that, because it spreads like wildfire. You know, there's Scripture that talks about this as well, Adam. I mean, the reality is... You just can't hang out with those particular individuals because they will eventually drive you down, just like the party animal will do the exact same thing. You have to know, at least for me, you have to know where you're going, how are you going to get there, and what people are going to help me along the way. And if they're not going to help me, then I can still associate, I can still have, you know, some affiliation at times, but I can't do it on a heavy basis.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 18 :
And another red flag that's really, really obvious to me that, you know, at It doesn't show up very much in my life anymore, but it's gossip. And this is another scripture. Gossip is like a choice morsel going down to the inner depths of our soul. So if you have people around you that are talking about people that aren't there negatively, it's like we're eating it. It's like it's an addictive... candy that we eat if we're listening to gossip. So we start thinking about other people negatively, we start thinking about, you know, other people's lives, and we should be focusing on what we're here to do, what God has us here to do.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right, I agree. And while it's okay to understand situations and what's going on, you have to be careful, because there's a fine line, it's where, you know, it's a story and it's a situation, yes, you need to know about it versus gossip. Am I right in that? Yes, 100%.
SPEAKER 18 :
There's a point when it's the same as complaining. There's a difference between complaining and talking about something going on to find a solution. If you're talking about somebody just to talk negatively about them, that's gossip. If you're talking about somebody about a situation like, hey, we need to help this person, this is what's going on, that's a different situation.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think one of the things that, again, this is one of the first things I try to help new clients with when I bring them on, Adam, is a lot of people struggle with time management in general. And a lot of what we're talking about right now is, as you said, time is the most precious thing we have, whether we're working for somebody else. or we work for ourselves as owners, the reality is time is very precious. And what I've noticed, especially with new owners, is they struggle with that balance of where do I spend my time and what should I be working on that most benefits me. And while to me it's not that difficult, I've done it now for decades, so it's second nature, but when you're new into it, you may not understand fully how to – How should I say this? How to categorize and break out time so that it best benefits you. What are recommendations you have to people on how they categorize that correctly?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I have two things for this. So there's the 80-20 rule for owners. There's 20% of tasks and things are actually going to give you 80% of the value that you need for your business. And then 80% of the tasks that have to be done are only 20% of the value for your business. So delegate the 80% that are 20% of the business, and then do the 20% that's 80% of the value. If that's calling clients, if that's cold calling prospects, or... Just doing those things that are actually going to grow your network, those are the most important tasks. And then also, when we're talking about relationships, I actually wrote an article I called The Law of 33% of Knowledge. And this is specifically for relationships. And when we're talking about the people that we're surrounding ourselves with, the way that I look at it, is that 33% of the time that I'm spending with people, I should be the one helping them. I'm the one that is helping them with something that they're going through. I'm coaching them. I'm helping them recover from addiction, that kind of stuff. And then 33% of my time is with peers, people that are at the same level. We're working on different things. We're talking about things that we're doing. We're growing together. And then 33% of my relationships, I shut up and I listen and I learn. I have nothing to give to this person because they are feeding me. And what I found is that that actually not only helps us to learn what we are learning from that 33%, but we're able to teach that to the other 66% of our time so we retain it and we consistently learn and retain and teach.
SPEAKER 16 :
I'm very blessed because I'll be the first to say this, and I said this openly many times, that last 33% you just mentioned, that's what I get out of doing this program on a daily basis. I get to interview folks like you and a lot of others that are in your world, by the way, that I get to glean from. So I'm very fortunate, Adam. I get to sit behind this microphone five days a week, three hours a day, and get to speak with people along the the lines of you that actually help feed me and I get to just sit and yes, there's some interaction, but in a lot of cases I'm taking notes and I'm listening and I'm able to then apply that and or share that with others that I'm coaching and helping along the lines with. And I'm very blessed because I get to do that here openly, but yet get to glean from you guys on a daily basis. Yeah, I love it.
SPEAKER 18 :
And I, I'm the same way I'm, you know, in my business, I have a nonprofit helping people recover. I work a 12 step program and I'm constantly getting to do, uh, this extreme blessing of life, being able to help people where I was at. And then I also, like I consult in open treatment centers and do marketing and stuff. And I'm constantly talking to like the top doctors in the field telling me like their new things that they're thinking about and these new medicines and these new therapies and talking to the top of the top marketers, learning about AI in a different way. I could never learn on my own. It's incredible.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, it really is. Well, again, I, I, uh, I appreciate you taking time out of your day for us. I mean that sincerely. I would love to get together even outside of the program and share and talk about different things. I would really, really enjoy that, and I would feel honored to do so. I'm going to let you go. I'm going to put you on hold. I'm going to have Charlie get some info from you so we can actually do that, if that's okay with you.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. I actually have a ticket for you at this event on the 20th if you want to come too.
SPEAKER 16 :
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Suck it up, buttercup. Back to Rush to Reason.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Question of the day yesterday. Over the long term, too much of this hormone can create stress in your body, leading to more inflammation and increasing your blood pressure. What is that hormone? It is cortisol. Cortisol. Now, it's another thing where Dr. Scott can actually run blood work and find out exactly where you're at and what you need to do to adjust those things and so on. Again, one of the things that he does, not saying other medical doctors won't, But again, he's doing things way different than what your average MD that you're going to have on your regular insurance plan that you maybe get to see 10 minutes at a time. He's doing things way different than that. And yes, this is a little bit of a commercial for Dr. Scott. If there's something you want done differently than what you're getting done in the medical community, he's your guy because he will look at these sorts of things and figure out exactly what's best for you, even on the hormone therapy end of things. as well. So by all means, give Scott a call and he'll get you all dialed in. Today's impossible question of the day. If a person walked one complete circuit around the entire equatorial circumference of the Earth at a steady and uninterrupted pace of three miles an hour, how many days would it take them to complete the walk? So in other words, if you're going to walk around the entire circumference, the equator of the Earth... At three miles an hour, how long would it take you to complete that walk? Great question, by the way. I've never really thought about that one, but it's a lot longer probably than most anybody would realize. There's your hint. And this is continual, never stopping, all the way around the globe. So answer that on our Rush to Reason Facebook page if you would. If you don't, I will have the answer for you tomorrow, by the way. And Back to our last guest, too, by the way, Adam. I will reach out, find out exactly other ways to reach him. Have him back in the future, by the way. I really enjoyed his conversation. And for those of you that may have family members that struggle with alcohol addiction, you heard him talk about his own 12-step program and things that he's got going on. in that realm to actually help individuals along those lines. If that is somebody that either you are affected by directly or you know somebody that is, or maybe you yourself struggle with that particular area of your life, by all means, reach out to Adam, and he'll do his best to help you out. Again, Adam Gunton, G-U-N-T-O-N. You can find him on Instagram at Adam Vibe Gunton. It's just that, Adam. Adam Vibe-Gunton. You know how the handles work on IG. That's how it works. Just put that in. You'll find him that way as well. All right, that's it for Hour 1. We appreciate y'all listening. Health and Wellness Wednesday. We'll be back in a moment. This is Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I'm a rich guy.
Tune in as Bill Gunderson, accompanied by Barry Kite, delves into the nuances of the stock market on a seemingly slow trading day. The discussion highlights the importance of rare earth materials, touches on China's leverage in the market, and analyzes the effects of current tariffs on small businesses. The conversation extends to the global stage, exploring the Ukraine-Russia conflict's potential repercussions on the world economy, while also offering a sneak peek into upcoming workshops and happenings at Gunderson Capital Management.
SPEAKER 01 :
He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, thestreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome to the Thursday. It is Thursday, June the 5th. Back in the bunker again here at HQ in South Carolina. We've got a squishy day going on so far here in the market. This is Bill Gunderson, professional money manager, and I'm here with Barry Kite. Our Dow is down 104 today. No big deal. $42,323. The NASDAQ is down 17 right now at 19,441. The NASDAQ down 9 points, but creeping up on 6,000. We were down at 4,800, don't forget. The day I wrote my article, we were down at 4,800. Now we're almost back to 6,000. We're at 5,961. Gold has seen some interest here so far, been one of the leading asset classes here in 2025. Gold is up a little bit here today, 17 basis points to 3,404. Silver's also been red hot here recently. I think maybe there's a little disparity there. I think maybe silver would be a good play. right now. It seems to be the best tariff hedge. And over at the bond market, you've got the 10-year down to 4.34% today. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. I thank my crew for filling in on the monday and wednesday while i made the the cross-country coast-to-coast flight uh over the great land of america and uh man i saw some beautiful country i've been to uh you know i was in california for 60 years and uh i i love that central valley area the bay area I love the rolling hills and the rocks and rills and the oak trees and the vineyards and the plum trees and the peach trees. And it's just gorgeous, drop dead gorgeous this time of year. And man, I saw some beautiful, a lot of rice being grown there in the Sacramento area. A lot of ducks, a lot of wildlife. We saw some pheasants last night driving through the backcountry. We saw a lot of wild turkeys in the backcountry last night. Not the kind you drink, but the kind that you shoot and eat for Thanksgiving dinner. The Golden State, I mean, it is golden right now. Really, really, really pretty. Had a good fishing trip. I saw some baseball and worked. It's always a working vacation for me. Barry, I can't leave the charts behind.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they can follow you nowadays. It's not like when you used to throw them on your porch on Saturdays.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I had my charts all the way across country at 30,000 feet. And, you know, the Internet's pretty good now in the airlines. It used to be a little bit on the dicey side. But it was good. Now we've kind of had a slow week here so far. There's not a lot of catalysts. We're kind of in that in-between earning season period of time. That's number one. Number two, we're in graduation vacation time also right now, which kind of takes a little bit of the excitement out of the market. There's still exciting things happening underneath the surface, however. And we're still working on those trade deals. I mean the only one that has been announced that's in the books is the one with the UK and that was really low hanging fruit there. Apparently progress is being made in Europe.
SPEAKER 04 :
uh progress uh china is not i you know i i see a standoff there it was interesting i think before we came on the show i think i was hearing word that uh i guess trump and uh and z spoke don't know anything about the uh conversation that's good apparently they did at least speak so
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, he's holding firm over in China on the rare earth. That seems to be the biggest bit of leverage that they have with us. The automobile parts makers are crying right now as they're desperate for those components that they make. They need the rare earth to do it. So that ought to speed things up anyways. The model railroad guys are crying with a 30% tariff right now. All of that stuff is made overseas in China and in Vietnam. And in fact, I looked up one of the major producers and sellers of the, especially the N gauge, the little locomotives. And they're saying that, you know, we're subject to a 30% tariff right now, and we're moving a lot. Vietnam is only 10%. But it takes time. I mean, most of their production is still in China. They're moving more and more to Vietnam. But in the meantime, something that they're importing for $100 is costing $130 right now, and they've got to pass that on to the customer, and they eat some of it, the seller. That's got to give because there's a lot of small businesses that are being really hurt hard by the uncertainty. and this 30% tariff right now on goods coming from China. There's got to be a lot of things carved out, or they need to come to a tariff that both sides can stomach. And that's where that stands right now. We've had yields slide. Man, I'll tell you what, it was down 10 basis points yesterday. This has been a good year for the bond market. Our little bond fund's got to be doing pretty good. I haven't checked on it lately. I'll have to check and see where our... Slow and steady, yeah. Slow and steady. You're getting a good rate at about 5% or so, and you're getting capital appreciation. as rates have headed down into the 4.34. A lot of discussion over the BBB, the big, beautiful bill that Elon Musk says is an abomination. And, you know, it just doesn't cut enough, in his opinion. It's hard. You've got so many things that are mandatory that are not discretionary. They're non-discretionary. It takes Congress to attack some of those things. The problem in Russia is bigger than most people realize, Barry. What Ukraine did to Russia... from my understanding they took out some estimates are thirty percent of russia's bombers at their air force bases i've heard others say a more likely number is ten percent of the bombers ukraine's gonna have hell to pay i mean there's going to be a huge huge uh... retribution uh... anybody that was involved on that attack that they've been planning for a year and a half i don't know if you know that But they had smuggled those drones in, and probably the drone operators along with them. You know, that's putting us on the edge of World War III. I hope people realize that. And don't forget that Russia is in cahoots with Iran. And, of course, other countries around that region, China for another one. And that's something to keep your eye on. That has Armageddon-like possibilities there that we have to be very, very mindful of. EU sees progress in trade talks with the U.S., Despite the heavy levy on metals, the 50% tariff on steel, which Trump put on all importers, including Canada, Mexico, anybody who produces steel, Canada says they're not going to retaliate yet. They're trying to come to some kind of agreement. You know, these countries are hurting. Don't forget, they're hurting more than we are, I would say. Because they depend on sales. The biggest customer in the world is the U.S. Canada needs us. Mexico needs us as a customer. China acts like they don't need us as a customer. But I've got to believe, who else are they going to sell those N-scale model trains to? I don't know. I think they need us pretty badly. We've had some weak jobs reports this week. Which points, Powell is behind the curve. I'm sorry. Europe cut again today. I don't know how many cuts in a row for Europe that is. And Powell has not done one cut. He is well behind the curve. He's being stubborn. There's no sign hardly at all of inflation. He does not like Trump. It's almost like he's trying to keep the economy kind of down a little bit while Trump is in office. But we deserve a rate cut. We really do. And you've got the CEO at Cleveland Cliffs says it's killing him. It's killing them. He says the steel industry has come to a standstill because one of the reasons he gives is the high interest rates right now that we have. The housing industry, the lending industry, the banking industry. Powell is behind the curve as the ECB delivers yet another rate cut. While Powell sits on his you-know-what. We'll be right back. And welcome back here to the second quarter of the Best Docs Now show. Well, next on our road trip this year is Lakewood Ranch, Florida. We will be there in two weeks from Tuesday. Get your sunscreen ready. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Tuesday night is a class, workshop, meet and greet, whatever you want to call it, all of the above at the Evan Hotel there in Lakewood Ranch. The whole team will be there. I'll be teaching. I'll be giving you the hot spots in the market right now. And where those best stocks now are lurking, okay, down underneath the surface of those indexes is where they're lurking. And there's some good ones right now. To reserve a spot for the workshop, give us a call at 855-611-BEST. 855-611-BEST. You can also go online and send us a message. Please reserve me a couple seats. Go to GundersenCapital.com. And also, we're there Tuesday and Wednesday. to meet with folks. You know, you can book a one-hour slot with us, with the team, including myself, on Tuesday and Wednesday beginning at 7 a.m., clear up to 7 p.m. Any time in that time frame works for us. We'll make it work for you, whatever works best for you. We'll be at Lakewood Ranch with our meetings at that Evan Hotel. And you can call us to book an appointment. We have a lot of follow-up appointments with folks we met with last time. Looking forward to seeing some folks again. Yes, 855-611-BEST or GundersenCapital.com. And then we're headed to the Bloomfield Hills area in Michigan. in about six to seven weeks, somewhere in there. I'll have to look at that. And then we're going out to California. Here we come. Open up your Golden Gates. We'll be there in Santa Clara, right around that stadium. That's where the action is. I scouted it all out while I was there. Man, that's a beautiful country. Oh, gosh, that's a beautiful country. I miss California. I really do. And I like where I live now, but I also... Consider that one of the most beautiful states in the entire world, entire country, some of the most beautiful land between the mountains and the grapes and the almonds and the orchards and the vineyards. It is really beautiful. And then after that, it's going to be Minnesota, I would say, and then Houston, Pittsburgh. So anyways, we're ready. The bus is ready to go. It's ready to roll. The Grateful Dead, the Gunderson, the Gunderhead bus, ready to roll. Get the T-shirts printed. Yeah, we should give out T-shirts and play a little dead music. Auto industry braces for supply chain disruptions from China's rare earth curbs. I was standing behind a guy in the TSA line, which is the worst part of traveling. It's just the worst part. It's just a drag standing in that TSA line and having to strip down and go through the metal detector, whatever they're detecting for. It's really humiliating. And this guy behind me, he was a professor at a college in California. I want to say UC, not Davis. No, he was Fresno State. I think that's where Aaron Judge is from. He said these tariffs are just ridiculous. He was a Trump fan, which is pretty unusual for a professor from California. But he says, this is just totally unnecessary. It's just a losing game that he's playing. Well, okay, that's one person's opinion. It's disrupting the entire supply chain. I just read this. This little company called Broadway Limited Imports, very high-level model trains, DCC with all the sounds and everything. They say a tariff is a tax collected by the U.S. government from U.S. companies when we import a product. Trains from China now have a 30% tariff, meaning a model that costs Broadway Limited $100 would have a tax of $30, making our total cost $130. Manufacturers, importers, distributors, and hobby stores can absorb some of this. but the retail price will still rise. Since the tariffs have changed so quickly and unpredictably, that's the big part, unpredictably, our plan is to continue announcing product prices that do not include a tariff. We will adjust the price shortly before the product arrives and give customers a chance to cut cancel orders if needed. So you see what kind of limbo this throws everybody into. They say that they started manufacturing in Vietnam. Products from Vietnam only have a 10% tariff. But progress has been slow. They now import one half of their product from Vietnam. They would like to manufacture in the U.S., but here's the key. But the tool makers and component suppliers are not available here. The tool makers and component suppliers are not available here. And since the tariffs were implemented at such a high rate with almost no warning, we would be bankrupt before we could start production in the U.S. To prevent this, we are shipping more products from Vietnam and increasing prices on products from China and Vietnam. We're also trying to get quotes from U.S. toolmakers that are at least looking into it for some future products. And BLI is also participating in the Hobby Industry Coalition, a group of companies in the hobby industry. I mean, I've got to believe Hobby Lobby, all of these little hobby shops and stores, they are trying to get the Trump administration to listen to them and help them out. And, of course, the auto industry is now bracing for supply chains disruptions from China's rare earth curbs. Now, Japan is stepping up to the plate. And they're trying to help us out with the supply chain cooperation with the U.S. Now, I don't think Japan has rare earth. I don't know how they're going to do that. But the Japanese government is set to propose cooperation with the U.S. on rare earth supply chains, a move prompted by recent Chinese export restrictions on these critical minerals. That seems to be the biggest leverage.
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berry that China has over us right yeah and number one they have a you know deposit wise I think they have I don't know 70% or more of the of the rare earths and then most importantly they refine 90% of the world's rare earth minerals so it's not just about going and digging and getting them it's about refining them and you know it's a dirty nasty process and that's one reason we'd you know don't do it over here and yes and they've done it for you know i think they started cornering this market and i was reading something about you know kind of like the mid 90s uh essentially and you know some of the items aren't rare there may be more abundant than gold the problem is there's not large deposits of them in one place and they're very minute and so you'd have to dig you know Go through a bunch of rock just to get one little bit of it.
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Yes, and Japan is working. They're in the fifth round of trade talks with the U.S. In the meantime, Suzuki Motor has halted production of a car they were making, a Swift car, due to China's rare earth curves because it's also affecting them, this whole thing with China and the rare earths. Okay, when we come back... Man, there's a lot of companies in the news, and we've got to take a look at gold. Gold is flying right now, and dragging silver along with it. That's a good hedge. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services, call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show. And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Stocks Now show. The market just slightly below the line here today with the NASDAQ down 19, the Dow down 78. The S&P down nine. I think we need some breakthroughs in the trade negotiations. I think the world is watching that Ukraine-Russia situation. What is Russia going to do as payback against Ukraine? And who was behind? I mean, apparently the U.S. was behind planning a lot of this, many years. about 18 months ago, you know, Jake Sullivan and the Biden crew. So I don't know if there will be retribution for the U.S., but it did some major damage to Russian bombers. They're not happy, and they're going to strike back, I think, heavily. Always something to worry about. Always.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, now I saw something in terms of internally, from an internal defense standpoint. We're looking at how to thwart those types of attacks if someone attacks.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well. We've tried to do it in the U.S. The Golden Dome is years away. But we do have, I'm sure, we have some pretty good deterrents. Okay, we've got gold as your best hedge again, as I've said many times. That's been one of the best performers here. It's up almost 30% in 2025. I know we love tech. I love tech. I love NVIDIA. I love CoreWeave. I love Palantir. But you have to hedge. You have to be spread out a little bit. There's not a lot of tech stocks that are up 25%, 30% this year like gold is. Gold is just a very good hedge in this pea soup of mix of conditions we have in the world right now. Yields have been sliding here. We're clear down to 4.34, which is bullish for stocks. I mean, that increases that multiple that we pay for the Palantirs and the Corweaves of the world. Speaking of Corweave, It's been on a roll, but, man, is it nosebleed expensive right now. I got an email from somebody at CoreWeave wanting me to connect with one of their people to talk about the stock. And I said, well, I'll do you one better. Why don't you come on the Best Stocks Now show? I have not heard back from them. I don't know if they need us to promote their company. That's one of the hottest stocks. But they just did their largest ever NVIDIA Grace Blackwell clusters, okay? They cluster these things.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sounds like some Baskin-Robbins ice cream.
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Yes. CoreWeave said 2,496 Blackwell graphics processing units, or GPUs, were running on CoreWeave's AI-optimized cloud platform. So you wonder what CoreWeave does. That's what they do. And this has got to be one of the hottest stocks. Not only did we say Palantir was our number one choice this year in the overall market, but we jumped on CoreWeave shortly after they went public. And we've got some big gains there. But we have to be careful because that thing is just nosebleed expensive. NVIDIA in focus as B of A maintains buy after meeting. We are working on an article for NVIDIA. But if you want to know how I feel about NVIDIA, go to SeekingAlpha.com. where I'm one of their top riders by performance. I'm in the top 2% or 3%. I wrote up where we're at in the market right now, a follow-up to my 4800 S&P 500, where I said, hey, it's going to turn out okay. Here we are at 6,000. And at the end of this follow-up article, I threw in a paragraph or two on NVIDIA. and so you can go there and see what we like and video's been trading very very well here recently cleveland cliffs crying the ceo said the u.s federal reserve is holding down demand for steel used in construction and manufacturing by not cutting interest rates and that's true i mean uh... steve uh... construction and manufacturing depends on borrowing borrowing money to build projects and uh...
SPEAKER 04 :
The lower your cost of capital is, right, then the more these projects make sense, right? The old finance question where it's, you know, do I expand the factory or not, right? Well, a lot of that has to do with what's your interest rate and cost of capital.
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100%.
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And the CEO of Cleveland Cliffs says the Fed is ridiculously late in acting. For the steel industry, it's killing steel consumption. AI infrastructure continues to mount as Amazon announces a $10 billion data center project in North Carolina. Data center is still a very hot industry. And I'm going to talk about in the last segment of the show a little-known data infrastructure company that we picked up recently. I've owned it before. They had a very solid earnings report today, and it's breaking out. I mean, there's a whole chain that is linked to data center. And I read an article that in the Silicon Valley, they're running out of juice for their data centers. They've almost reached max capacity. And I've got to tell you, they're not going to get new energy anywhere soon. You know, they're years away from having any new energy supply. So I see a crunch coming in that silicon. You might have to ration microwave lights, you know, your TV time, your computer time, so those data centers can hum. I don't know. But that's a critical, critical issue. a problem right now is the shortage of energy to run data centers and of course anybody involved in the cloud amazon microsoft google of course coreweave these are all big players in data center along with nvidia and let's not forget super micro computer which is still big in data center UBS maintains its bullish stance on Netflix with a fat price target hike. And I couldn't agree more. We featured Netflix as one of our top stocks when we were in Cleveland. And we continue to own Netflix of the fabulous seven. I don't know if Netflix is one of the fabulous seven. It changes from time to time. I don't think it is. But when you get into the big tech.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, we went through them yesterday. Yeah, it's actually not. Not on the list. You could certainly probably switch one of them out at least.
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Yeah. I'd go the Fabulous 8 and include it. Maybe the Fabulous 9 and include Palantir. But anyways, UBS is – and I still have GoToTheApp.com. Go to the Best Stocks Now app. Now, I just spent the last weekend and a few days with my friend out there in the Bay Area who helped him and I before there were any financial apps. I had the spreadsheet. I said, let's take this. Let's build an Apple app. And I made several trips driving from Southern California up to that Bay Area, eight-hour trips straight through. And Douglas and I worked on that thing together. We were one of the first pioneers, pioneers in the stock app business. market which there wasn't one when we started are totally fresh and now it's updated it's purring like a kitten and that thing man i would be lost without uh without the app look up and look up netflix on the app NFLX. Look up the performance over the last 1, 3, 5, 10 years, which is a big part of the app formula. And look up the valuation. We're the only app out there that I know of that is not just based on momentum and performance like most quant systems are. No, we're half valuation. Valuation, you've got to have 80% or more upside over the next five years. And the other half is performance slash momentum, or as it's called in the industry, alpha, alpha. Labor markets crack. A bit. Needed for Fed to embrace. Well, they're saying that if the labor markets start to crack, that's when the Fed will act, which is kind of stupid, really. Why don't you do it before the labor markets start to crack would be my advice. But who am I? I'm just a guy out here managing money and watching how the rest of the world. Procter & Gamble is cutting 7,000 non-manufacturing jobs over the next two years amid tariff uncertainty. I would say it's more of a Procter & Gamble problem, but it's easy to blame your issues on terror of uncertainty. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, no different than during COVID, obviously. That was a cover, especially for your fledgling companies, right? And so you get this, we call it part of the earnings game and part of the narrative of any individual stock. And they're going to take that chance if they need to.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And those initial jobless claims did come in a little hot today, 247,000. That's the most elevated number we've seen in a while. And Alphabet CEO Pete Jai saying, you know, engineers don't have to worry. AI is not going to replace them anytime soon. But down the road, he sees AI taking a lot of jobs. So that's over at Alphabet. Okay, oh, look who's going to report tonight. We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Docs Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson. We've got Broadcom reporting tonight. That's a big one. AI will be in focus, as analysts expect, and earnings beat from Broadcom. Broadcom has been breaking out. I've said many times that NVIDIA is best in class by far in the chip sector. You know what? From time to time, Broadcom looks pretty good, too. I would say them and Marvell Technologies would probably be my second and third. And AMD is starting to look pretty good on the charts once again. They need to get the issues resolved with China and the ban on the really high-speed chips. I'm sure that's part of the negotiations. There's a lot of negotiations going on while we're working every day.
SPEAKER 04 :
So many different facets of trade. I mean, we can get into steel. You can get into solar panels. I mean, of the stuff that's been dumped onto the world markets everywhere. I mean, each one of those seems like a pretty big negotiation in itself.
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And I did see the Broadcom building there in Palo Alto. And, of course, Broadcom also has a lot of exposure in Singapore. Originally, it was Avago Technologies who bought Broadcom. and then kept the name Broadcom, so now it's more of a U.S. company, but they do have a lot of exposure there in Singapore. We'll see how they come in tonight. I like Broadcom right now. Centris Energy powers the 52-week high as B of A starts with a buy rating. That's LEU, by the way, and that's part of that energy crunch for data centers. They're the world's only publicly traded enriched nuclear fuel company at a time when the industry is poised for growth. Bank of America initiates coverage with the buy rating and $160 target price. Well, it's $143 now. That is a beautiful chart on Centris Energy. I've had my ups and downs with the stock, but consider that it was $1 a share in 2019, and today it's $143 per share out of Bethesda, Maryland. That's where they're headquartered. But they are the world's only publicly traded enriched nuclear fuel company. So they're sitting in a pretty good, in the catbird seat right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, probably attracting some capital there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I'll tell you what, it's a 2.4, it's just a small cap company, $2.4 billion. Supplies low-enriched uranium for commercial nuclear power plants, which there will be more and more of those coming online. Their sales are growing pretty rapidly. Their earnings are not that great, but definitely a player in the nuclear renaissance. And I'm sure if you had one of those nuclear ETFs, you would have that stock in there. The symbol LEU. Retail investors are shifting away from the MAG-7 and towards promising beat-up names, says Robinhood. I totally agree, and I'm seeing it. And we've picked up several. That little value fund is doing well. We're up to maybe half full. I want 40 stocks in that thing, and I'm picking them off here one at a time. I've added a few beaten up tech stocks recently. which fit that exact profile, promising, beat-up names. And they come from all walks of life. This is a very good time to invest in a strategy like that. And, yes, we can put you in the go-go ultra growth and the premier growth, but we can also throw in as a hedge, which is good, less volatility there. and more of a value, relative value tilt. That's another area. I've never really seen a relative value. Well, growth at a reasonable price, I guess, if you had an ETF or mutual fund with that strategy. But relative value is a real thing, just like relative strength. I don't think relative value gets enough airplay out there and enough value. Credit, you're buying stocks that have traded at really rich multiples for years and years and years that are suddenly trading at lower multiples than normal. Let's see here. Launch day for the Nintendo Switch 2. Now, I was going to ask you, Barry, about this. Are your boys Nintendo guys or not?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, we're not on the waiting list, but yeah, we did see where there's, you know, in terms of the, I think they're planning on selling about, I don't know, I think 13 million in the states this year, so, you know, of course, tariffs kind of put a little bit of a damper on their sales strategy, and then also what they had the new I think the new park down in Universal in Orlando opened up, which has a Mario kind of Nintendo world to it. So who knows? It might be Santa might bring one under the shelf.
SPEAKER 03 :
Maybe. You never know. If they're not naughty and they're nice instead. Rivian.
SPEAKER 04 :
Those are the games that I remember, by the way, as a kid.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, Nintendo.
SPEAKER 04 :
My first games were Nintendo. Mario Brothers. Yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
Would you loan Rivian money? I did see some Rivians in California. Not nearly. There's 100 Teslas to one Rivian would be my guess. That's just an unofficial observation. They're going to price some green notes. I don't know what a green note is, but they're 10%, okay? They're due in 2031, so you can lock in 10% for six years. If Rivian's able to pay him back, I think I'll pass.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think, yeah, I mean, it's one thing if Jeff Bezos lends them some money. He's got plenty, right? Yes, this is for the public. For an investment for the public, probably not the best use of capital.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, here's our stock of the day, and we'll end it with this. We own this in our emerging growth portfolio. This is an AI infrastructure play, Argan, which is A-G-X. Argan is headquartered in Arlington, Virginia. They provide engineering, construction, and telecommunications infrastructure services. Very good growth. Listen to their quarter. Sales were up 23%. Earnings were up 176%, breaking out to a new all-time high. That's my cup of tea right there. But a very aggressive stock, Argan AGX, which is in our emerging growth portfolio. Okay, all right, Lakewood Ranch, we're coming to you in less than two weeks. Workshop Tuesday night, one-hour appointments Tuesday and Wednesday, limited supply, limited quantity, 855-611-BEST, 855-611-BEST, or GundersenCapital.com. Get that four-week trial that we offer to the whole enchilada of everything Gundersen has to offer here. Thanks for listening.
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Join host John Rush and a panel of insightful guests as they dive into the heart of America’s political scene. This engaging episode opens with a powerful statement by Ted Cruz regarding nationwide injunctions and the influence of radical judges, setting the stage for a robust discussion. Special guest Tony Delgado, CEO of Latino Wall Street, shares compelling reasons behind the growing support for Donald Trump among Latino voters, touching on themes of peace, prosperity, and family values. The conversation expands to address broader issues faced by the Hispanic community in the United States. Tune in as Tony details the parallels between America's current political climate and historical lessons from Latin America. This episode not only exposes the cultural and political dynamics at play but also explores immigration challenges and the potential for a significant political shift akin to those seen in previous decades. As the discussion concludes, the hosts urge the current administration to rethink immigration policies, offering a pathway for hardworking individuals seeking the American dream. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in understanding the nuanced perspectives shaping today’s political landscape.
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This is Rush to Reason.
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With your host, John Rush.
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did. Get a job first. You haven't made everybody equal. You've made them the same and there's a big difference.
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Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It's Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, trying to get our next guest joining us. But Charlie's working on that, and as we always say, hey, things happen. People get on other interviews, go along, things like that happen, and we are fully understanding of that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Other interviews? Are there other shows? Yeah, there are, actually. I didn't know other shows existed. There are a few. I'm hurt, John.
SPEAKER 19 :
There are a few, actually. We're the best, but there's, no, I'm just kidding. There's a few out there, yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, I don't know if we'll have time. If he comes on, we'll jump to him. Go for it. Well, as you know, political activism, the courts have been basically governing our country with Donald Trump. And it's insane. And they had a hearing in Washington on this. Ted Cruz had a brilliant statement. I'd like to play it.
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Ready?
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Go for it. We're ready. Yes, go for it. Here we go.
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It is interesting, as our Democrat colleagues defend these nationwide injunctions, that neither of them made any reference to the fact that the number of nationwide injunctions issued in the first four months is greater than the entire 20th century and is greater than all of the nationwide injunctions issued against Bush, Obama, and Biden combined, nor did they address the disturbing fact that of the 40 universal injunctions that have been issued in the last four months, 35 of them came from the same five judicial districts. There is a reason for this. Blue state attorneys general and radical leftist groups are seeking out affirmatively radical judges who they know will impose their own policy preferences. If it were simply, as our Democrat colleagues said, judges following the law, then you wouldn't have to keep going to the same radical judges over and over and over again because judges across the board should do that. But the litigants know exactly who the zealots are that are on the bench, and that's who they are seeking out. I will also point out that the discussion about the urgency of protecting the safety of judges Listen, I agree. We should protect the safety of every federal judge. But it is interesting because my Democrat colleagues were utterly silent during four years of the Biden administration when you had violent mobs outside the homes of Supreme Court justices, unhappy with the Supreme Court's ruling in Dobbs, and the Biden Justice Department refused to enforce federal law and protect the justices.
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Okay, and I'm going to stop it there because we now have Tony.
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Okay, yeah, we can go to Tony. Tony, welcome. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, guys. Thanks for having me on.
SPEAKER 19 :
Very welcome. Glad you're here. We were talking before you came on, kind of promoing last hour into this hour that Trump's approval rating among Hispanics is exploding, and you are a Latino Wall Street CEO, so talk to us about that if you would.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so, I mean, President Trump came into office with a very clear message of peace and prosperity, right? Right. Peace through strength, law and order, and fixing our economy. And, you know, Latinos, there's 55 million Latino Americans in the United States who came here legally, who pay their taxes, who go to work every day, and they came here for the American dream, right? Not the San Francisco nightmare.
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Right.
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And that's why Hispanics are... overwhelmingly supporting president Trump in this last election cycle. And we're happy. We're happy that the adults are back in charge. We're happy to see these violent gang members and cartels being removed from the country. And we're happy for a restoration of common sense.
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Tony, when you have a country like America with people who have come from all over the world, you're naturally going to have subcultures. You're going to have various racial communities. That's not bad. That's good. It's fun. And I think it makes us better. One thing I've really noticed about two racial subcultures, communities, the Hispanic and the Asian communities, is this. They love capitalism. And because of that, when somebody comes along and unapologetically preaches it and says, oh, man, don't settle for what you're given. Don't just sit back and wait for a government check. You can rise as high as you want. Someone like Donald Trump, I think it sells.
SPEAKER 19 :
I want to add one more thing, Tony, to what Andy just said, because I know some of these people individually on both sides of that demographic that Andy just talked about. Tony, a really good friend of mine. In fact, I coach him on the business side of things. And the other thing that they really appreciate is Trump's stance on family, family values as well.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. I mean, listen, 75% of Hispanic Americans are Christian. Over 50% are Catholic, right? We have these Christian conservative values. that are rooted deeply in our culture. And you know what? We've seen the writing on the walls with communism. We've seen this play out in our home countries. I have a lot of friends who are very wealthy, were very wealthy in places like Venezuela, Cuba, Argentina, and then they saw socialist and communist policies come and take over and tank their economy and take their freedoms and seize their property and all sorts of very dystopian things that happen when you allow communism to run your country. So when you have people like AOC getting on their soapbox, it's really easy to preach socialism when you live in a capitalist utopia. Right. But real Latinos, first generation Latinos know firsthand the dangers of communism and socialism.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and they're also, like you said, the social issues very much skew toward the Republican. I would just sum it up with two things. Hispanic Americans largely want to own their own business and not have men in their daughter's locker room.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And not have men from the government come in and seize their property, right? And that's what happens, right? The Bacardi family is a very famous family, very big company in Puerto Rico, and people think that Bacardi is actually a Puerto Rican company. when in fact it was a Cuban company, and the Bacardi family had to move and migrate and go from Cuba to Puerto Rico to escape communism in Cuba when Castro took over, right? So we've seen this play out all throughout Latin America. We don't want men wearing dresses in the women's locker room. We do not believe in wealth distribution and all these crazy concepts that the radical left is pushing. We want peace, we want prosperity, and we want conservative values in our nation.
SPEAKER 19 :
One question I have for you, because when you look at Mexico not being communist, and I even question on the socialist sides of things, Tony, because really, and you probably know as much about this as anybody, it's really more the cartel movement and what's going on there. The reality is the cartel runs Mexico in many, many ways. I don't want to get off track and get into all the details as to why, but the question I have for you is those folks that do come from Mexico, and I, again, know some of them, they come here, they look at all the things that you just said, how do they, see if I use my words right here, how do they, you know, compare that to what's been going on? It's not socialism they've come out of, but it's a very corrupt system they've come out of in Mexico. Am I saying that right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, absolutely. It's extreme corruption. There's no law and order. There's no justice. Right. You can be murdered in the street by the cartel and the police are scared to investigate it because they're either being threatened themselves or on the dole or they're on the tape. That's right. That's right. Yeah, absolutely. And recently, some of the family members of El Chapo have been in the United States. And it is rumored that they may be cutting a deal with the Trump administration currently to rat out government officials, high-level government officials who have allowed this to go on for decades.
SPEAKER 19 :
I hadn't heard that. That's interesting. That would be fun. Yeah, that's really interesting, Tony. I had not heard that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Tony, can I... Yeah, because... Oh, go ahead. To have corruption, you need people at the top... That's right. ...that enable it. Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 10 :
And the criminal justice system in Mexico has been completely neutered... Yep, absolutely. ...by this corrupt cartel money.
SPEAKER 19 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Tony, another issue, I think, is the gender issue. And I'm not just talking about men and women's locker rooms. Let's look beyond that. There are three groups, and I would say Hispanic Americans... Well, and I'll throw in Asian Americans, but also black Americans and more rural white Americans all have something in common. They want men to be men. They like watching MMA, mixed martial arts. They love watching these kinds of things. They listen to Joe Rogan. These people, they like a guy to be a guy. And Donald Trump just appeals to that. And I think the Democrat Party has completely abandoned that. In fact, the Democrat Party has been saying that toxic masculinity, real men are the problem in America. And Trump comes along and says, no one's the problem in America. Men are fine. Women are fine. Be yourself and enjoy it. I think that that is selling in the Hispanic population.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, the Trump campaign said it best when they said that the Democrats are for they them and President Donald Trump is for you.
SPEAKER 19 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 10 :
I love that. He's fighting for normal, everyday Americans. You know, these fringe topics. These transgender and LGBT, LMNOP, that is a very small minority of people in this country. Most Americans, whether they're Hispanic, black, Latino, white, Asian, Chinese, they want the same things. They want a strong family. They want their kids to do a little bit better than them. And all these radical issues, I don't think any consenting adult is going to want their children in kindergarten to have a drag queen reading to them. These are absurd. I don't know what percentage of the population... Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican or independent, I don't know what percentage of the population thinks that this is okay, right? We had a word for those people, right? Cross-dressers that would want to go into a school. They were called pedophiles. And you would go to jail and you would end up on a list. That's right. And so the fact that these things are being normalized is completely, completely ridiculous. And, you know, another thing just on, you know, masculinity, right? Hispanic Americans, they work really, really hard. Like you said, they watch sports, a lot of them work in construction, they work in the trade, and they don't agree with this radical left agenda.
SPEAKER 19 :
That's where, Tony, and I think you're solidifying some things I've been saying for a while, and I've actually been kind of called down on this. I've even had some fellow folks in my world that say, no, John, you're completely wrong. And let me explain. Give me a minute here. The movement by the left to open the borders and allow as much illegal immigration to happen, they think in the end is really – benefiting them tony and i have come out and i've said this now for years because i know a lot of these individuals to your point whereby yeah they may be here illegally they may have come because they're looking for a better life and by the way i've said this myself if i were them i wouldn't look at any differently because i'd want to come and better my life as well but i think in the end tony and you tell me if i'm wrong a lot of what the democrats think they're doing to win over voters down the road as these people actually come here legally or illegally They think they're all going to be Democrat voters when it's all said and done. And I'm saying, Tony, that it's the opposite of that. I think a lot of this is going to backfire on the Democrat Party.
SPEAKER 10 :
You're absolutely right. And just look at a market like Miami that just flipped for Trump in the last election cycle. Right. All of these markets where you have heavy Cuban influence, heavy Venezuelan, a lot of immigration. Right. A lot of people here on asylum and kind of questionable legal statuses into this country. They don't like the woke nonsense. Immigration issues are one issue. And, you know, anywhere else in Latin America, you can't go and overstay a visa. That's right. You get deported.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, so I want to ask you one more thing along those lines, because this is another thing that I think would bode well for us. And I don't hear anybody talking about it. And I think folks like you who have some influence might be able to help push some of this through. And here's my thought. I feel like this administration right now needs to fast-track those that are here, even illegally. And there's going to be some folks out there listening to me that are probably going to disagree with me, but I'm going to say this anyways. I think it would bode well for this administration, Tony, that those people that have come here that are hardworking. that want to make a better life for themselves, that love America. By the way, they came here because of that. They're not here to disrupt. They're not here on behalf of the cartel. They're not here as a part of the sex trade and all of that, but they really have come here to better themselves and their family. We, as an administration, need to figure out a way to fast-track their citizenship, and in doing so, we will end up with more voters than the other side.
SPEAKER 10 :
absolutely and you know democrats have completely uh... lost their messaging i don't know who the messaging to uh... and i think they're finally finally are waking up to this you have you have the democrats looking to invest $20 million into speaking, connecting back with young men. And honestly, what they need to be doing.
SPEAKER 19 :
And by the way, their poster child for that's not real. I don't think it's going to be. How should I say this, Tony? It's not a great poster child that they chose to actually reach out to young men. Let's just say that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that's definitely an understatement. And yes, I mean, I do think to your earlier point, like immigration in the United States. We do need to take a look at who's here, right? If people are paying their taxes, they have a job, they're productive members of society, then yeah, 100% there should be a pathway.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, it shouldn't take, Tony, I know people, I'm helping some folks along these lines as we speak. It shouldn't take thousands upon thousands of dollars and attorneys in 10 years to become a citizen of this great United States of America. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, yeah, and we need some form of immigration. I mean, we've had this. Oh, sure.
SPEAKER 19 :
We don't have enough births of babies right now, Tony. We have no choice.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, no, absolutely. And I mean, look at the Italians and the Irish in the early 1900s. where they came, they built the Lincoln Tunnel, and they built a lot of the big buildings in New York City. That was immigration. It was immigration from Europe. But it was also, you know, a lot of Christian conservative men, heavily Catholic, heavily Christian, believe in Jesus, want a better life for their family. And they helped make America great again 100 years ago. So we do need immigration in this country. And it's just about bringing the best and the brightest and making sure that there's a process.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, yeah. And the bottom line is this. With all the deals Donald Trump is cutting right now, we're going to need the workforce. He is creating so many jobs and we're just going to need more people to do those jobs. One last question, Tony. Do you see the reverse of what happened in the 60s and 70s with the black population? And what I mean is this. The black population was actually Republican leading into the 60s. And by the late 70s, they had switched and they had shifted and gone all Democrat. I'm seeing with the Hispanic population, largely due to Trump and MAGA, a switch happening right now that is very similar. Are you seeing this?
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. I mean, uh, Morgan Friedman said it best. He said, America has yet to have their first black president, right? Obama was raised by a white woman and we, uh, have not had our first Latino president either. And I think that the Democrats have pandered to black and Latino voters for way too long. I think that the Latino community is waking up and we saw that in the last election cycle. And, uh, And I believe that Latinos have a very big seat at the table at this new MAGA movement that's being built.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, again, I know you've got influence. Some of the people that you know have influence. I don't have the same influence, Tony, that you do. And I would love to see this administration figure out a way to, again, for those individuals that are here that want to better themselves, that want to better this country, by the way, that are here for the long haul. I want to figure out a way where we can fast track citizenship in a way that it doesn't take tens of thousands of dollars and and 10 years plus to do that, because, Tony, we need to do it quicker than that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 19 :
I'm going to throw that back at you. So, Tony, I appreciate it. You can tell you're in good company. You're welcome here anytime, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you again for having me on, gentlemen.
SPEAKER 19 :
Thank you, Tony. Appreciate it very much. That's Tony Delgado, and he is a big guy on Wall Street, by the way. A lot of folks maybe that are in that world know his name. A lot of folks here may not, but he is a Puerto Rican-American. He has done very well as a software developer, investor, and so on. He actually co-founded Latino Wall Street as well. So you're not talking to any kind of a schmuck there. That guy knows what's going on. Let's just say it that way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So anyways, we'll talk more when we come back. Don't go anywhere. Jim, hang tight. Veteran Windows and Doors is next. And again, there are some things potentially changing in the Energy Star end of things when it comes to Windows and Doors. Talk to Veteran Windows today. Find out exactly how that would affect you. Find him at klzradio.com.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Great interview, by the way, and I do think there's a lot of things there that were discussed that, again, some of those things that we discussed, there are some of you out there listening, and some of that we talked about in the first hour, whereby you probably wouldn't agree 100% with some of the statements that I made, but I'm here to tell you that those would be huge wins for our side if some of those things would get taken care of, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
What do you mean, like fast-tracking? Yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, well. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, absolutely. I've been saying that for quite a while now, that I believe we need to fast-track and streamline and merit-base our immigration system. Let's get people in here more easily but fully vetted. That's right. Absolutely. And we can do that.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, we can.
SPEAKER 07 :
And by the way, if we can't fully vet you, you can't come in.
SPEAKER 19 :
Boy, that's easy. And we shouldn't just let some guy stay that was here on a tourist visa and just automatically give him a green card like the knucklehead in Boulder. Yeah. Which is what happened there. That was the Biden administration.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, and one other thing, John, I get so sick and tired of people saying, well, there are citizens who commit these kinds of crimes, too. There are citizens who do. And, you know, illegals commit crimes at a lower pace than, you know, than legal citizens and so forth. First of all, the stats on that are very, very untrustworthy to begin with. But we have to remember. Every crime committed by an illegal alien is an added crime that didn't have to be here. OK, we already have all the crimes that are committed by citizens. We already have cops who we pay who have to deal with those criminals who are already citizens. Right. But the people who aren't here legally, we shouldn't have to deal with. Every time one of them rapes a woman, kills a kid, runs over somebody, or firebombs innocent Jews in Boulder, every time that happens, that didn't even have to happen. Our cops shouldn't be having to deal with that. Our cops shouldn't be dispensed to have to go to deal with those. They should be gone.
SPEAKER 19 :
I agree. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's added. And that's why I always use that word, added. These are all added crimes. We got enough crimes without them.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, and again, I don't have all the stats in front of me, folks. I would have to look these things up. And this is one thing, too, that you have to look at when it comes to people talking about stats is you can pretty much make stats say whatever you want to without delving into the actual real data that's being fed into that stat. What I mean by this, Andy, is what is the percentage of crimes like this heinous one that happened in Boulder on Sunday? I can't think of the last time I ever heard of anyone outside of this guy making a bug sprayer into a flamethrower.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And one other thing that always slants those stats, we have to keep in mind most crimes are committed within a community. True. And most crimes by black people are committed within the black community and so forth.
SPEAKER 08 :
True.
SPEAKER 07 :
Most crimes by illegal aliens are going to be committed within a community that is heavy in illegal aliens, which means you're going to have virtually no reporting.
SPEAKER 19 :
True. That's a good point on that. John and Cheyenne, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, so I didn't hear the first hour I was in a meeting. Did you guys talk about the fact that they picked up the Boulder terrorist's whole family and are holding them for deport?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, and I just read a moment ago during the break, they should be on a flight back home tonight.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. How did this whole family get here on a tourist visa?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, they overstayed their tourist visa. Anybody can come on a tourist visa as long as you pass some of the basic checks of getting here in the first place. They overstayed the tourist visa. I don't know if the rest of the family ended up having a work visa like this particular gentleman did, but he had one.
SPEAKER 07 :
Through the Biden administration. John and Cheyenne, quick question. What do you think the odds are that this guy, he had, what was it, 20, 25 or whatever of these bombs that he had made? Right. Okay. What do you think the odds are, John, that no one in his family had any idea that he had put this together?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, they had no idea whatsoever, Andy, because they all lived in the dark.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sorry.
SPEAKER 09 :
So I'm a little disappointed at the Boulder cop. He drew the wrong weapon. He could have saved the city of Boulder, the state of Colorado, and the U.S. federal government a whole lot of money if he drew his other weapon.
SPEAKER 19 :
You mean one to the head, you mean?
SPEAKER 09 :
I was thinking three to the chest. Well, that too.
SPEAKER 19 :
Either one works.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, center mass, John. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
Center mass. That's the way. You know, you hit somebody three times center mass, they're probably not getting back up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but the problem is, to do that, you have to... Well, I guess you could say the guy was presenting a mortal threat. I mean, he was to those he was trying to attack.
SPEAKER 09 :
He went people on...
SPEAKER 07 :
You're right.
SPEAKER 09 :
How is it not a mortal threat to light people on fire?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, I mean, but I don't know if at the moment if he had any more in his hands or what, or if he was just standing there or what was going on. But you're right. You're right. It would have been great if the cop had just dropped him.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, can we... After we give this guy a first-class trial, can we give him a proper hanging? I don't think that's legal anymore, but... No, I wish we did that, but we don't. What I'd like to do, what would be true justice, is send him to that prison in El Salvador. Pay them to house him.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, there you go. Be the surrogate prison.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, the one that nobody gets out of, I guess.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
But...
SPEAKER 07 :
Why don't we put him unarmed on the streets of Jerusalem?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, or have fun. To stay on our good side, we'd take care of sentencing him.
SPEAKER 19 :
I'm with you, though, on the whole. I'm with you on the whole, the Boulder cop, and I appreciate our police force and so on, but yeah, we could have saved a lot of money in that one.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because, you know, the thing is, I mentioned that to my wife when I was on the phone with her. And she said, well, the liberals in Boulder might want to bring him up on charges if he took him out.
SPEAKER 19 :
You could be right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, first of all, that's very true, John. They very well would. Look, the cops in places like Boulder or any other liberal jurisdiction are terrified to enforce the law to the fullest extent. They're terrified to do it.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I feel, growing up in a cop family, my dad a cop, my nephew's a cop now. I know what it was like in the 50s and 60s as opposed to now. My nephew tells me, you know, unless it's life or limb, they're afraid because, you know, and then everything's on video. Well, remember those videos get and those videos get released and they're. properly edited to make the cop look really bad.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, remember in the aftermath of George Floyd, you were looking in jurisdictions like Baltimore, and the cops flat out were not enforcing the law against any black person, period. Okay? They were just driving away. They were driving by. They were avoiding it at all costs. And that's what you got in Boulder. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and what happened? The small percentage of the riffraff took over the cities and the good people that wanted the cops couldn't get the help they needed so i don't know it's just getting crazier and crazier but i i called out a couple of different people yesterday when they said oh the guy i said the guy is evil he follows an evil cult and he believes in death is a proper thing and i got some dirty looks and i don't know i'm According to the scripture I read, that's evil.
SPEAKER 19 :
I would call him that. You can give me the dirty looks you want all day long. I'm still going to call it what it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think we should be applauded for, you know, acquainting him with his 72 virgins.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. I wonder how that's going to work out for him.
SPEAKER 07 :
Not too well, John. Just saying. You know what they don't tell you is they're all guys. I'm kidding.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, did you ever see that old poster that It said, here are your 72 purges, and it showed these mean old-looking nuns. That's good. Oh, John, by the way, that was a great guest you had before the last break. Oh, yeah. He was really interesting.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, very good.
SPEAKER 09 :
You guys have a great rest of your day.
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Now, back to Rush to Reason.
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SPEAKER 07 :
Let me just replay the first 30, 40 seconds. I just want you to hear these numbers again, okay? You ready? Okay. This is Ted Cruz, and he's talking about the judicial activism that has come against Donald Trump and all these injunctions. Here we go.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is interesting as our Democrat colleagues defend these nationwide injunctions that neither of them made any reference to the fact that the number of nationwide injunctions issued in the first four months is greater than the entire 20th century. and is greater than all of the nationwide injunctions issued against Bush, Obama, and Biden combined, nor did they address the disturbing fact that of the 40 universal injunctions that have been issued in the last four months, 35 of them came from the same five judicial districts.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, in other words, they're judge shopping, and they can do it in those districts. John, something has to be done. Okay, I mean, our president right now is having to run to the legal system. Look, these judges, our elected president is having to run to these elected judges and bow before them and beg them for the right to govern. Have you ever seen anything like this?
SPEAKER 19 :
No, because they don't deal with anybody else.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I mean, even in his first term and his first term was bad. OK, they did a lot of it then. But now this is crazy. This is absolutely crazy. And this is why I'm so this is why I get so angry at the supposed conservatives on the Supreme Court who let us down now and then. Amy Coney Barrett, she's a joke. Obviously, John Roberts is a leftist. He's just a liberal. And then you've got the other two that Trump put on there, and they're weak. And I look at these judges, and I just want to look at them, John, and say, guys, don't you understand? All of the liberal judges are one mob against us. And you're not united. You guys all want to be, well, I want to play it perfectly by the letter and all this kind of stuff. I never want to be an activist. Well, you know what? I'm glad about that. I don't want activist judges. But Donald Trump is not violating the Constitution of the United States. He is following it. He is trying to protect America from a full invasion that we just had over the last four years. And our Supreme Court is looking at Donald Trump and saying, oh, even though they totally ignored due process coming in, over 10 million, 10 to 15 million people ignored due process coming in, and we want you to give them all due process going out. Do you realize how much time? And immigration judges, what I'm saying is this. Even the supposed conservatives on the court, except we have two good ones, even they want to make life so much harder on Donald Trump just to do his job. It makes no sense. Can't they look at what the left is doing and everything that Ted Cruz just said? More injunctions than we had in the 20th century in four months against Donald Trump. Can't they just look at that and realize, look, we have to act now. We have to say no longer can these lower courts issue any kind of a verdict that is applicable to the whole country. What do you think?
SPEAKER 19 :
I agree with you. I agree. And we always want to make sure that... You know, a president that, you know, even our President Trump isn't, you know, violating or overstepping his executive order power and so on. Because if one can do it, the next one can, the next one can. Although, Andy, I can back up and look at the things Obama did. I can look at the things that... done that biden did and so on so the reality is you know yes i want to make sure that things are being done correctly albeit some of these things that these judges have come after trump on i just look at and shake my head and say um really they're ludicrous really and they tie up the system they tie up the system yeah good point you know i mean look we have a five to four advantage on the supreme court we're supposed to but acb i don't know if we do maybe it's four and a half to four and a half now
SPEAKER 07 :
Because Roberts leads the left.
SPEAKER 19 :
He does.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And, you know, basically we've got two good ones leading the right, Scalia and Thomas. And God help us. And I mean God help us when they step down. They need to do it quick so we can get in new replacements. But my worry is we can't have replacements like the ones that Trump has already put in. They're not strong enough. You know who needs to be in the next one? He was just talking.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, I agree with you on that one. I've said that many times. Absolutely. We would have to figure out his Senate seat, but that's doable. We can get that dialed in.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's Texas. We'll win.
SPEAKER 19 :
Put him on the bench.
SPEAKER 07 :
Put him on the Supreme Court. Ted Cruz.
SPEAKER 19 :
I'm with you on that one. All right. We've got an interview coming up with Al Smith, Golden Eagle Financial. Stay tuned. We'll be back right after that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial and the show you love, Retirement Unpacked, is here with me. How are you today, Al? I'm doing great. How are you, TJ? I'm doing great as well. I have a couple questions for you. As a financial advisor, do you also do taxes?
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I don't prepare my clients' taxes. I do, however, spend a lot of time talking to them about taxes. To use a sports analogy, tax preparation is like doing a recap of the game. What I do is more like creating a game plan and then following up over time to see how it's working.
SPEAKER 05 :
And how much are taxes a part of that game plan that you create?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, with so many different taxes we're faced with, it becomes an important thing to take into consideration. It's not how much income you have, but how much you get to keep. In addition to federal and state income taxes, there's property taxes, state and local sales tax, and fees. And they all play a part in shrinking our income.
SPEAKER 05 :
What about people who already have really healthy balances in 401ks, IRAs? Won't they be facing significant taxes as they draw income from those accounts?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, it depends. Everybody's situation's a little bit different. There's no one size that fits all when it comes to tax planning. But often when I work with people, we'll create a strategy where we will convert traditional IRAs to Roth over time. And that not only reduces taxes in the future, but it will also lower the tax they'll be paying on their Social Security.
SPEAKER 05 :
Is that kind of strategy really only for the wealthy?
SPEAKER 16 :
Not at all. Many of my clients who have modest IRAs have chosen to convert to Roth over time. They enjoy the freedom of having a tax-free nest egg that they can access on their own timeline rather than an RMD schedule.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that is excellent. And how can people reach you if they want to learn about their own taxation in retirement?
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
You heard it here, folks. Good things from Golden Eagle Financial and Al Smith. Again, you can reach them at 303-744-1128 or just find them on the advertisers page at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 20 :
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SPEAKER 19 :
All right, talking what Andy was referring to with the Supreme Court proving Andy's point, the Supreme Court refuses to take cases or a case over a law banning assault-style weapons. Now, I don't know what their theory behind this is. Mainly, they have said that these are still some cases that are being fought in the lower courts. Does that mean they'll take it on later? I don't know, but I really feel like this is another boondoggle on their part. You've got... Two of them that definitely said, yep, we should take this on. Of course, that has to be, I think they have to have, don't quote me on this, Andy. I believe they have to have majority to be able to take a case on. Am I right in thinking that?
SPEAKER 07 :
I think so. I'm not totally sure.
SPEAKER 19 :
I'm sorry, folks, I don't know that one.
SPEAKER 07 :
Who are the two? Thomas Scalia, as usual?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yes, of course, as you know. And so, again, that's another one of those where it's like, and again, I'm not an expert when it comes to Supreme Court and law and what they should or shouldn't take on as cases and so on. It takes four justices, by the way, to agree to hear a case. Three agreed. Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas, they needed a fourth, and they don't have it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, bottom line, getting back to how they... Came against Trump, though, on having to have due process to get rid of these people. What does it say when the Supreme Court of the United States allows Joe Biden, okay, to bring in, it wasn't 10, let's say 15 million people with no due process whatsoever. None of them raised a finger or said a word. It's not like nothing was brought before them. It was. They didn't care. Nothing. Absolutely nothing was done. But we're going to make it like pulling teeth to get these people out.
SPEAKER 19 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
How is this fair?
SPEAKER 19 :
It's not.
SPEAKER 07 :
How is this fair?
SPEAKER 19 :
And I think, again, I'm not an attorney. I don't live in that world. I mean, my expertise is in other areas. But when you say they have to have due process, well... I thought they were getting due process when they've entered illegally. They're now being told you can't stay. Right. That's due process. The process is now you're going to leave. Yes. Is that not due process? That is due process. Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
That is due process. I don't understand at all. John, let's say you sneak into a place. I don't know. A movie theater. Right. I know, John Rush. John Rush pays to go to movies. Let's say you didn't.
SPEAKER 19 :
I snuck in the back door.
SPEAKER 07 :
You didn't. You snuck in. Right. Should they have to go through due process, a legal fight, to have you removed from the theater? No, they should not. I mean, this is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 19 :
No. Okay, let me give you another example.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
You somehow walk into a hotel, and you figure out a way to kind of, if you would, steal a key card that allows you access to a room. where you haven't entered in, you haven't paid, you haven't done anything. Yeah, I do this on every vacation. Yeah, so you just sort of figure out a way to swipe a key card. You've maybe overheard somebody say what room they were staying in, and somehow you maybe see it laying on the pool chair, which, by the way, people do stupid things, and, yes, they get laid there at times. And so you kind of hear where somebody's staying, so you grab the key card. No, by the way, maybe they were checking out that morning. But you grab the key card anyways, and you quick run up before the 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock cutoff time where the key card no longer works. They've already checked out. You can tell by the fact the bags are all there. They're ready to leave and so on. So you happen to snag that card. You head up, and you hang out in the room. Yeah. And you kind of act like you're staying there. Take a shower. Yeah, and you just hang out, and you do your thing and so on. And before you know it, somebody comes along. It's like, who are you? Well, I'm staying in the room. Well, no, you're not. Well, yes, I am. Well, no, you're not. Well, yes, I am. Well, Andy is due process saying, no, you're not, and you're leaving?
SPEAKER 07 :
Due process is we have a name.
SPEAKER 19 :
You're not a welcome guest. You're leaving.
SPEAKER 07 :
We have a name that was applied to this room, and it isn't yours.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. You're not a welcome. My point is you're not a welcome guest. Right. It's now time to leave. Right. Is that not what we're doing with some of these individuals? Isn't it the same situation? It is. You're not a welcome guest. It's time to leave.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, get out. Due process is you can't show. Look, I have to show ID everywhere I go. Okay? Okay. Prove I am an American citizen and able to do this thing, this thing, this thing. I have to show ID, John. Well, guess what? If I can't do that, I don't belong here, do I?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and you can't overstay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or if I lost it, go get a new one.
SPEAKER 19 :
As our guest said at 4 o'clock-ish, roughly, you can't go to other countries and overstay, so how is it any different?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. We're the only country in the world that says, you know, go ahead, invade us by the millions, and then we'll have to have a lengthy process, legal due process for you to leave.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, that one, again, I do not understand the ruling. I'm not in that world. It makes no sense to me. I just shake my head with some of these things because, to me, it's pretty cut-and-dried common sense. Here's what it says. Now let's do it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. If you're not supposed to be here legally, buy it. Why do we have to go through any process?
SPEAKER 19 :
Especially those that have committed an additional crime besides being here illegally. That one's easy to me. Yeah. Especially those. You were caught shoplifting. You were caught doing this. You were caught doing that. We know you're a part of the cartel. We know you're here running sex slaves. You name it. I mean, to me, those are easy, Andy. You're out of here. You're done. See you. Bye. I know. I don't understand. I don't get it either. Cub Creek heating and air conditioning up next, folks. And again, when it comes to your AC unit or your furnace, which some of you are thinking, furnace, John? Geez, it's June. Yeah, well, for some of you, depending upon where you live, it's a whopping 56 degrees out right now. You might actually be turning that on. And for some of you who live in the foothills that still hear us, you might be even colder than that. If you need them even for your furnace, give them a call today. KLZradio.com is where you find them.
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This isn't Rage Radio. This is Real Relatable Radio. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 5C. It's a couple minutes left of this particular hour. We've got another full hour coming your way. And, yeah, folks, I wish I had some better answers for you on the way we do some things legally speaking in this country. I don't. I'm talking to a texter that's talking about how even getting somebody here from out of country being married – uh trying to do it the legal way is one huge gigantic hassle and by the way it shouldn't be it shouldn't be that way if you're trying to do things on the legal up and up it shouldn't be that was my point earlier when we were talking to our last guest we should make things along those lines much easier than it is right now yeah john that's how i want to finish up the hour really quick here john what would happen politically for donald trump if he sped up streamline the system
SPEAKER 07 :
For legal immigration.
SPEAKER 19 :
It would be night and day difference. And it needs to be. I've talked about this for years. I've been talking about this for decades because I've known individuals that have spent, people that have come from other countries, including Canada, where it takes 10 years to actually become a citizen of the United States of America. It should not take that long. They shouldn't have to go through the legal expense, if you would, to actually make that happen. It should be a merit-based, easier system to make happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and also he's got an easy way to sell it. He can say, oh, yeah, now that we don't have people cutting in front of you. Correct. We don't have millions and millions cutting in front of you in line. Guess what? We can get you in quicker. The line moves quicker.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, now that we've got the line under control, we'll make this a lot easier for those of you that actually want to come in here and do it the legal way. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
We would be creating Republican voters. So fast.
SPEAKER 19 :
And, folks, for those of you listening, I'm texting somebody now. It's not just from Mexico. We've got countries all around the world that we could do this with and bring the best and the brightest, the smartest here to help us build the country in a way that we haven't even looked at in the past 50 years even, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 19 :
And I'm exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or maybe just they don't even have to be, you know, an IT person. No, no, no. Maybe just somebody who wants to do a job, somebody who wants to build a business.
SPEAKER 19 :
And we could bring people here that could lay tile, for example. That's awesome. That have expertise at that. And if that's the case, and that's what they're bringing to the table, I'm in.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, right now, bosses who lay tile can't get workers.
SPEAKER 19 :
Thank you. We'll be back. Got another full hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I'm a rich guy.
In this enlightening episode, Rick Hughes explores the profound significance of communion and God's protocol. Discover how rituals, when performed without genuine reality, can lead to divine discipline and suffering. Rick emphasizes self-examination and understanding the correct way to approach sacred rituals to avoid unnecessary hardship. From exploring imputation and justification to addressing the concept of sanctification, Rick provides a comprehensive guide to living a disciplined, spiritually fulfilling life.
SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
SPEAKER 02 :
Good morning and welcome to the Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes. And for the next few minutes, please stick around. It'll be a time of motivation, inspiration, education, all done without any type of manipulation because we're not trying to con anybody. We're certainly not asking for money. We're not trying to sell anything. We're just simply giving you information, information that may indeed help you verify as well as identify God's plan for your life. And if that's possible, you can orient and adjust to the plan if you wish to do so. But my job is to give you accurate information. Your job is to process information and hopefully use it. Remember, God gave you two ends, one of those ends you sit with and one of those ends you think with. And success in your life depends on which one of those you use. Obviously, it's heads you win because bad decisions limit future options. If you make enough bad decisions, you're not going to have any options left, that's for sure. So the information that I'm giving you is biblical-based information, and we talk about how you can have spiritual x-ray vision. Spiritual x-ray vision is just a play on words. It means this, that when you develop wisdom in your soul from the content of the Word of God, then you have tremendous discernment and insight. And when you have discernment and insight, then you're able to see the traps that the devil will lay for you. You're able to understand what's happening to you in the suffering world, suffering side of it. And you have tremendous spiritual insight, spiritual x-ray vision, I call that. And it comes from a spiritual IQ. Everybody has a human IQ, some good, some not so good. But spiritual IQ, the Holy Spirit takes that into consideration. And you may be normal on the IQ scale, but if you learn the Word of God, you can be a genius on the spiritual IQ scale and have that great discernment from wisdom where you have insight and understanding. So today we want to continue our study we started last Sunday, if you were with us. We started a study on divine discipline. That's a hard thing to study because sometimes we don't like to know that we're under divine discipline. But God does discipline us. We saw in the Bible where it says those whom he loves, he disciplines. Revelation 319, those whom I love, I reprove or correct. and I discipline, therefore be zealous and repent. And there's two ways that God can teach us. He can teach us from instruction without pain, or he can teach us from instruction with pain. Depends on how stubborn you are, how arrogant you are, but God is going to discipline those that he loves. remember hebrews 12 said have you forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as a son do not regard lightly the discipline of the lord nor faint when you're reproved by him verse 6 hebrews 12 those whom god loves he disciplined it's not a question of whether he loves you or not i mean if you ever get under divine discipline it's going to hurt It's designed to correct you, to reprove you. And why? So you don't self-destruct because you have the amazing ability to destroy yourself. There are people listening to me right now that have done things they wish they hadn't have done, and they've destroyed their future. They destroyed their lives. Many of them may perhaps even be incarcerated. And they said, you know, if I could go back, I sure wouldn't do that again. I was stupid. I was dumb. I got suckered into doing something I shouldn't have done. That's the devil's world. That's what he offers. He's a liar. He's always been a liar and he's a murderer. He's a thief. And so we have to learn how to look out for that, how to have some wisdom, some insights and discernment, spiritual x-ray vision so that we can avoid being duped by the devil. So let's talk about divine punishment a little bit. In 1 Corinthians 11.30, we're going to have something here that is very important. Paul talks about divine discipline as a result of communion. Divine discipline as a result of communion. And this is what I want to carry on with you today. Excuse me just a minute. My light collapsed right there. divine discipline as a result of communion. And we call this ritual without reality. Ritual without reality is absolutely meaningless. You can have all the ritual you want, but if you don't have any reality to it, it's not doing you any good. And so sometimes taking of communion is ritual without reality. When that happens, discipline is sure to follow. So listen to 1 Corinthians 11, 23 through 31. Here it is, Paul talking about the Lord's Supper and ritual without reality. He said, In other words, what he's teaching them, Jesus Christ himself taught it to him. that the Lord Jesus, in the night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, This is my body, which is for you. And then highlight these words. Let this one sink in. Do this in remembrance of me. This is the reason we take communion. Do this in remembrance of me. We will get around to what that means here in a minute. In the same way, he took the cup also supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this as often as you drink it in remembrance of me. There it is again. For as often as you eat this bread and as often as you drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes, Paul told the church at Corinth. And then he went on to say in verse 27, Verse 28, But a man must examine himself. That means we have to take a look inside before we take communion. And in doing so, he is to eat of his bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly." For this reason, for this reason, because of this, many among you are weak, many among you are sick, and a number of you are dead. But if we would judge ourselves rightly, we won't be judged. What this is is a mandate to make sure that you do a right thing in a right way. Understand that God observes protocol. If you're going to follow the ritual plan of God, there's protocol involved, and that means that you cannot take communion with known sin in your life out of fellowship, quenching and grieving the Holy Spirit. if you're just going through the ritual and there's no reality to it you're going to get under divine discipline for not obeying what the lord said you're not remembering him remembering him is something different than just taking communion popping a piece of bread in your mouth and drinking a sip of wine it's much more than that and you know when you take communion out of fellowship here's what it means It means you have, as a believer, you're not filled with the Holy Spirit. Your sin nature is in control. Yes, you're in church. Yes, you're taking communion, but you're doing the right thing in the wrong way. And you're not honoring God because it's not coming through the filling of the Holy Spirit. It's coming through the good process from the sin nature. The sin nature can do good. People that are not even Christians can do good deeds, can give money to charity, and can help people out. And a Christian under the sin nature control can do good. But it's not divine good. It's not the good that God is looking for. And so taking communion with known sin in your life is you observing a ritual without any reality being to it. And that's what this verse is dealing with, the ritual of communion. Some churches that I know about do it weekly. Some do it monthly and some quarterly. But most all churches, most all denominations serve communion. And it's a common thing for believers to take it. although some don't even know what they're actually doing. So Paul issues a warning, a warning to the Corinthian church about just this sort of thing. The Lord said, quote again, do it in remembrance of me. Well, what exactly are we supposed to remember? And secondly, is there a proper way to approach the communion table? And the answer to both of those is absolutely yes, there is a right way and a wrong way. So God's plan for us is very important and we understand it. So here we are. We are never to take communion with known sin in our life, never. We're never to take communion out of fellowship. We're never to take communion when we're quenching and grieving the Holy Spirit. We only take communion when we're in fellowship because if you take communion with known sin in your life, you're going to get discipline as a result of it. And if you keep doing it, the discipline could be severe. Now let's make an illustration. Here you're getting ready to go to church on Sunday morning. And you and your spouse, your husband or your wife, you have a little fight over the kids. And the kids aren't getting ready and they're dragging around. And finally you get everybody in the car and the traffic is all backed up and somebody cuts you off. And by the time you finally get to church, your attitude is terrible. You've been mad and fussing at your wife. You've been mad and griping at the children. You've been mad and would have liked to punched out the guy that cut you off in the interstate. And you get to church and you haven't even thought about your mental attitude sins. It never even crosses your mind that I'm out of fellowship. I have not allowed the Holy Spirit to control my life. I've enjoyed these mental attitude sins of bitterness and anger and frustration and vindictiveness. Wow. And you're going to take communion and you're going to remember the Lord Jesus Christ like that? I don't think so. But that's what you're doing. That's exactly what happens. We could also have the illustration of two deacons in the church. And they hate each other because of a business deal that went sour and one of them owes the other one some money and he can't pay it. And the one that is owed the money hates him and can't stand him, won't even look at him. But he'll pass out the communion elements and he'll take the communion. Right thing, wrong way. The Holy Spirit is quenched and grieved in that person because of his anger and his bitterness, his vindictiveness, his hatred. He hasn't learned how to forgive as God has forgiven anybody else. He can't do it. And here he is. Yes, he's taking communion okay. He looks great. He looks spiritual. He's got his head bowed. Instead of remembering the work of Christ, he's remembering that idiot on the other side of the church that owes him that money. See what I'm talking about? So two, this is why we're told to examine ourselves. We must examine ourselves. No pastor should ever, ever offer communion to the congregation without telling them this verse. Examine yourself first. Why? What did Paul say a while ago? He said, it's because of this that many are weak, many are dead, many are sick, because they don't take communion properly, because they go through the ritual and there's no reality to it. That's all organized religion is, ritual without reality, and it's meaningless. There's got to be something behind the church and the communion and whatever's going on in that church. It must be to replicate the life of Christ. It must be to represent Christ to the community through the local body of believers in that local church. And so we are told to examine ourselves, make sure we do this right. And three, if you take communion, it's a right thing, but you can do it in a wrong way. Taking communion out of fellowship is a right thing being done in a wrong way. Four, God's plan demands we follow protocol and not ignore these divine mandates. This is a command from God through the Apostle Paul. If you ignore this mandate, if you don't judge yourself first, then God will judge you because you didn't do what the Apostle Paul told you to do. Anytime you have a mandate in Scripture and disobey the mandate, you are committing a sin because God's speaking through that apostle. And so here you are, you're in church on Sunday morning, you're ready to take communion, and there's unconfessed sin in your life which leads to the quenching of the Holy Spirit, the grieving of the Holy Spirit, You're in the right place, doing the right thing, but you're under the control of your sin nature. You're not filled with the Holy Spirit, as Ephesians 5.18 says, be filled with the Spirit. You're not. And you know you're not. You know you're just going through the ritual. You're trying to look good, trying to look the part. And you may even be thinking about when you're going to go for lunch and what time the preacher's going to shut up so you can get out of there and get there and beat the crowd. If that's what you're thinking, you're certainly in the wrong place in the wrong way. So violation of the protocol plan of God brings two things. First, the approval of the act. Let's see. That's what we want to say it this way. If you violate the protocol plan of God, you are not going to be rewarded at the judgment seat of Christ. It's not going to happen. And it will bring swift and divine correction for the act of disobedience. What you want is you want to be awarded at the judgment seat of Christ. You want to hear the Lord say, well done, my good and my faithful servant. Instead of pulling up this record and saying, oh, huh, yeah, I see. You took communion 495 times in the 10 years you were down there in that church. Every time you took communion, you were out of fellowship. Remember he said, do it in remembrance of me. What are you remembering? Oh, I remember Jesus. Well, first of all, and forgive me for being so stern here, we're not on a first-name basis with the King of kings and the Lord of lords. He is the Lord Jesus Christ, the anointed Son of God. So before we get too familiar with him, let's remember that he is the almighty. He is the creator of all things. Without him, nothing was even created. And he will judge the living, the quick and the dead. It is Christ that does all of that. And so let's remember it is the Lord Jesus Christ, our King, our Savior. So if we take this communion and we take it out of fellowship and it's just a ritual, you're not remembering anything. It's an insult to him. You're insulting him. And I hope that's not you. So what exactly are you supposed to remember? That's a great question. What exactly are you supposed to remember when you take communion? Well, the first thing that deacon or that elder is going to pass out to you is a little piece of bread, unleavened bread, a little square maybe. That little square represents several things. And when you put it in your mouth, you have to remember these things. You have to scroll them through your mind. This is where you recall the Word of God. And if the rate of forgetting has exceeded the rate of learning, you're not going to be able to recall anything. You're not going to see anything written up on the blackboard of your mind. It's just going to be blank, and you're just going to be sitting there twiddling your thumbs until the preacher's through, and you didn't recall anything. How can you pray, and how can you have a prayer of adoration and thanksgiving to God if you can't recall anything? So when that bread's being passed out and you get your little piece of bread, you're supposed to be praying. and remembering and thanking God for what that bread represents. First of all, that bread represents virgin birth. Virgin birth. He was not contaminated with the sin nature of Joseph. He was uncontaminated. He was virgin-born. Mary had never had any sort of sexual involvement with Joseph or anyone else. She was, in fact, a virgin. And her conception was the miracle of God the Holy Spirit. So he was born of a virgin. That's important because there was a curse on Keniah, who is the lineage of Joseph, And God had already said that none of Joseph's family would ever rule in Israel because of the curse of Keniah. And so here, if the Lord Jesus Christ had been born as a result of Joseph's impregnating Mary, well, then he could never be the king of kings and the Lord of lords. The father would have to take his word back, and he can't do that. Christ was born of a virgin. That's the first thing you need to remember. He was virgin born. And then we remember his celebrity ship. And you talk about Elvis, I mean you talk about some celebrities like a recent basketball star that died unfortunately in a horrible helicopter crash, Kobe Bryant, a celebrity. But Jesus Christ is the celebrity of the universe. He is God's anointed son. He is God's chosen redeemer. He is the one we worship and admire, and he's the one we will see coming back riding upon a white horse, and the whole world will see him. That's a celebrity. It won't be on television. It'll be right in front of their eyes. Celebrity ship. Jesus Christ is a celebrity. He is God's anointed son. You want to drop names? Hey, I know this guy. Hey, I know that guy. Hey, I had dinner with that celebrity. Hey, I met this celebrity, had my picture taken with him. If you know the Lord Jesus Christ, you know the number one celebrity in the whole universe, Christ the King. He's impeccable. There's something else you need to remember when you take communion. He's impeccable. What does that mean? He cannot be accused of ever sinning because he never sinned. He never committed a sin. Not once in his life did he ever commit a sin. So number one, he did not have a sin nature because he was born of a virgin. He didn't receive Adam's original sin. And number two, he was impeccable because he never sinned. He was without sin. That's the impeccability of the Lord Jesus Christ. You should remember that because had he sinned, he would not have been worthy of going to the cross and paying for the sins of the world. He was the innocent lamb of God without spot and without blemish that took away your sin and my sin. Our sins were nailed to him on the cross and he was judged in our place. That's why it says, he that knew no sin was made sin for us so that we may be made the righteousness of God through him. He was impeccable. He was the king of kings. There you go, another principle. King of kings, Lord of lords. He is the king of the universe, God's virgin-born son, the only true celebrity, impeccable king of kings and lord of lords. And you might want to remember he's hypostatic union. Hypostatic union means that he's God, and man in one body forever, the God-man. Jesus Christ was God and Jesus Christ was man, the God-man in one body forever. And the body of Jesus Christ, the resurrection body of Jesus Christ, is in heaven now awaiting the exit resurrection of you and the local body of church, what we call the church, the rapture, the exit resurrection. He's the only person in heaven right now in a resurrected body. And then you will be there to join him at the exit resurrection. And 1 Thessalonians 4 talks about that. when the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we which remain alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds, and so shall we evermore be with the Lord. So, hypostatic union is amazing. The entropic union, God, man, in one body forever, forever. Those disciples didn't know they were talking to God, but they figured it out soon. Those disciples didn't have a clue what was about to happen to their life, but they learned. And God used them to spread the word of Jesus Christ, the anointed son, to the whole world through what we know as the Gospels, the Bible. And we have it today. So that's the bread. That piece of bread is virgin birth, celebrity ship, impeccability, king of kings, and hypostatic union. You should remember those when you put it in your mouth. Maybe you need to write to me and get a copy of that so you can remember it. So you can study it and you can look over it. I mean, I could teach you for a couple of hours on each one of those subjects. I just skimmed through it like a rock skimming across a smooth lake surface. I didn't get into depth here. What about the cup? What about that little plastic cup they pass around and you're supposed to hold it? And then the pastor says, we retain the cup till all have been served and this do in remembrance of me, and then down it goes. What does that cup supposed to represent? It represents the death of Christ on the cross, his spiritual death on the cross, not his physical death, A lot of people died on the cross, but a lot of people weren't the son of God. This is Jesus Christ, the anointed son of God being judged in our place and all of our sins poured out on him. There's a statement in the Bible where he said, Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachonai, which was my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? It was a horrible thing for the sins of the world to be dumped out on the anointed son who was impeccable. And it happened, his spiritual death on the cross. We know it as the blood of Christ being shed for the remission of sin. That's exactly what happened. So imputation means that our sins were imputed to him. This is what you remember. You take that cup. You thank God for the imputation of our sins being imputed to him and for the imputation of his righteousness being imputed to us. Remember the verse, he who knew no sin was made sin for us so that we could be made the righteousness of God through him. So he took our sins and we take his righteousness. God is absolutely righteous. The Bible says there are none that are righteous, no, not one. But when we receive Christ as our savior, then his righteousness is imputed to us and we are redeemed. We're part of the, we're redeemed from the slave market of sin and Jesus Christ buys us out of the slave market of sin. That cup representing his spiritual death on the cross is indicative of what he paid to buy you out of the slave market of sin. He paid for your sin. And now you're justified. Justified, something else you need to remember when you drink that cup. You're justified. Just as if you had never even sinned, you're justified before God. No, not because of what you do, not because of how you act, because of what Christ did for you. That's where the justification takes place. And then you're also sanctified, which means you're set apart. You're sanctified in time and you're sanctified in time by the filling of the Holy Spirit. And you're sanctified in eternity when you're set apart and you go to heaven and There you are. You're going to get your resurrection body. You're going to be face to face with the Lord Jesus Christ. And you certainly want to hear him say, well done, my good and faithful servant. You don't want to hear him say every time you took communion, you daydreamed your way through it, didn't you? You took communion out of fellowship. You took communion with sin in your life. No wonder you went through so much suffering. No wonder you had so much discipline. It never even occurred to you what's happening. That's why I'm giving you this message on discipline. God will discipline you when you do what I'm talking about, when you don't understand what you're taking, when you're going through the ritual without the reality. For this reason, many are weak. That's sick. Many are sick. Many are dead. Three stages of discipline, mourning discipline, intense discipline, and dying discipline, all because you didn't take communion and fellowship, all because you just went through some ritual and there was no reality to it. all because you ignored the mandates of God through the Apostle Paul. I hope you're listening. You don't need to suffer anymore. You don't need to go through any more discipline. You're probably tired of it by now. So my suggestion is you rebound, you confess your sin to God, and he will be faithful and just to forgive you. All of our messages are now transcribed. We have them available in transcription book form. If you'd like to get the transcription of this message, let me know. Get us on the website. Contact us. Until next week, this is your host, Rick Hughes, saying thank you for listening to The Flotline.
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Join Michael Bailey as he navigates through the complexities and personal nature of estate planning. From ensuring your wishes are honored through clear documentation to understanding the significance of personal preferences, this episode delves deep into how individuals can tailor their estate plans to match their unique family dynamics and life choices. Michael provides anecdotes about clients and personal experiences that highlight the importance of customization in estate planning, making this a must-listen for anyone looking to secure their legacy and peace of mind.
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Welcome to Mobile Estate Planning with your host, Michael Bailey. Over a decade ago, attorney Michael Bailey turned his attention to estate law after he recognized the unacceptable number of adults without proper end-of-life planning. Michael recognizes that many of his clients have difficulty finding the time for making a proper estate plan. That's why he became the Mobile Estate Planner. He will go to wherever you are to assist you with your estate planning, including writing wills, trusts, and giving you the information you need to avoid probate. Now, ATX, Ask the Experts, presents Mobile Estate Planning with your host, Michael Bailey.
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Good afternoon. Welcome to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey here on 560 KLZ AM so we can do something besides just leave your family alone. Also heard on 100.7 FM, the KLZ 560 radio app. And, you know, just if you happen to be sitting, I don't see anybody sitting in the studio with me. Fortunately, across the glass, we've got... our good friend Luke, who's making sure all of you can hear this. Because if Luke doesn't do his job, then I'm just talking into the air doing absolutely nothing. So Luke is really, he's the important linchpin of all of this. Otherwise, none of it works. So we appreciate Luke and always remember to appreciate Luke. So phone number to talk to us on the air is 303-477-5600. And again, that's 303-477-5600. If you want to talk to me on the air, you can call that number. If you want to just talk to Luke while I'm talking, you can also call that number. He'll answer it. And my direct line is 720-394-6887. Once again, that's 720-394-6887. I was just on Al Smith's show, who was on right before this, and we were talking about mistakes that people make in their estate planning and leaving a legacy and things like that. So it got me thinking about what are some of the mistakes that people make. And the biggest mistake people make is not having an estate plan. Depending on which study you believe, and there's lots of different studies out there and lots of different numbers, Somewhere between 60 and 80% of people in the United States do not have estate plans, don't have any sort of estate plan set up. And what that means is they have an estate plan, it's just in the form of the intestate statute of the state where the person lives. And an intestate statute is what happens to your assets after you die if you do not have a will or a trust or anything that describes what happens to your money when you go. So the Colorado Intestate Estate Plan, last time I printed it out, which I did for... illustrative purposes when I was giving a talk at a networking group. It was 87 pages long. So I printed it out and I started to go through all of the pages. I was kind of going through and reading through and people were like, what in the world? This is ridiculous. Why can't they just write it so we can all understand it? I'm like, because it is a statute. And statutes are written in such a way to be broad and generally applicable. And so they can be somewhat confusing. Now, you know, there are, you know, for those of us who do estate planning, we can take and kind of boil things down to what the distribution pattern and who's supposed to get what and who's the hierarchy of who will get everything. And, you know, usually it's to your spouse or to your children or to your closest family members. But you can get some weird formulas in there of... If you're, you know, for someone who's married to just their spouse and all of their kids are from that one marriage, like, okay, that can be pretty straightforward. It can go all to the spouse and then to the kids. Well, for people who are on their second marriage and not married to, and not all of the children came from the second marriage, or so you've got, if you have a couple of different spouses and you have children from different then there's a certain flat amount that goes to a spouse, and then a certain percentage that goes to kids from different marriages. And then if you have multiple spouses and multiple marriages, it can very easily get very confusing. And so some people are like, oh, well, we have to know what all the default rules are, and if they're okay, then we'll just use the default rules. And I usually say something along the lines of, Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier if you just had your own wishes and what you wanted laid out? I have a client who passed away earlier this week. And her husband, her surviving spouse, called me today. Asking to re-verify that he was supposed to get everything and he wanted 100% assurance that her children who were disinherited will not be able to challenge anything. I said, well, they can challenge things. we've set it up so that they're very very unlikely to win that challenge but if they want to spend their time and money you know on attorneys to challenge something that says yep we know you're there nope we're not leaving you anything that uh they're you know she can spend you know the children can spend their time and money doing that but in her case where she'd had a strained and kind of uh non-relationship with her children over the course of however many years they'd become estranged. That's why we set up the estate plan to say, no, your children aren't going to be able to come and claim something because we've got the estate plan set up that says, no, we don't want to give it to this person. We don't want to give it to the children. We want to give it to somebody else. Now, it sounds a little bit weird to be like, oh, how come you're not giving things to people in the context of children or a spouse? But if we think of it more broadly, if my parents die, they want to leave their money to their kids, to the four of us children. They don't want to leave money to Luke or to Al Smith from earlier or to John Rush, who will be on next. And it's not anything against Luke or Al Smith or John Rush. Luke, Al Smith, and John Rush are not children of my parents. So my parents, having a desire to take care of their children, want to give the money to us instead. To the exclusion of pretty much everybody else in the entire country and in the entire world. And, you know, I can see that. I can understand that. You know, somebody who wants to leave their money to the wild animal sanctuary up in Keensburg. They can do that to the exclusion of pretty much everybody else and every other organization in the world. And, you know, it's not a bad thing. It's just people are allowed to decide how they want to spend their money, and they're allowed to decide how they want their money to go when they pass away. You know, I have friends who every car they have is a leased car, so they never have a car that's more than three or four years old. They also never own their cars because they just lease them and then turn them back in. Well, and, you know, I also have friends who, I have a friend who he is, he likes Corvettes a lot. So he, when he got old enough, he bought himself a Corvette and he spends his time working on it and he'll make sure to maintain it and do all the cool things like that. And, you know, that's one of his hobbies and that's great. I do not own a Corvette. It's just not one of my hobbies. I've talked about on this show how I put up a lot of Christmas lights. So I have a lot of Christmas lights and I have to store the Christmas lights. You know, that's one of my hobbies is to have Christmas lights. Other people don't want to spend the time or the effort to put up Christmas lights or to take them down like I do, but I'm okay with it. It's something that I enjoy, so I do it. And my friend who has a Corvette, that's something he enjoys, so that's what he does. And, you know, we all are allowed to have our different preferences, and that makes perfect sense. So you are listening to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey here on 560 KLZ AM, also heard on 100.7 FM, or the KLZ 560 radio app. Phone number to talk to us on the air is 303-477-5600. And again, that's 303-477-5600. And my direct line is 720-394-6887. And once again, that's 720-394-6887. And, you know, people get hung up on people having preferences of where their money goes or who should get what in an estate planning sense. But it's one of those things that everybody has different preferences. And that's why there's so many different things in the world. Kind of like, you know, why do we have so many different restaurants in the world? You know, my kids, they, growing up, I never liked sushi. I never thought that sushi was something that I would have to, that I would enjoy or that I would eat or something that would be, anything that would be a taste that I would like at all. You know, like it's seaweed and rice and raw fish. Why would I want any of that? Well, my kids enjoy going to a sushi restaurant, especially if it has a hibachi grill attached to it, so that they can have their hibachi grilled steak with their seafood. And maybe it's, at least for my 12, almost 13-year-old, it's all about the steak. But he's now getting to the point where he's hungry enough that he'll eat anything. But, you know, you go to a sushi restaurant and, you know, order sushi and, you know, we tend to be more of the kind of California roll and temporary shrimp roll and not the eel and the octopus. You know, everybody's got their preferences. But growing up, Japanese restaurant, sushi, not my thing. I was more of a, hey, let's go get a hamburger, or possibly we could go to a Mexican restaurant and get a taco or a burrito or something like that. These were the kind of things, or my mom lived in India for a year, so when she was 16, her dad, my grandfather, was a plant pathologist and fought plant disease and Went to India for a year. I was teaching Indian farmers about how to plant in ways that they could avoid plant disease and things like that. So because of that, my mom learned how to cook Indian food. And so I grew up with lots of Indian food. And I've always liked Indian food. Well, I know there are people who don't like Indian food. They don't like the spice. They don't like the... texture. They don't like the offerings, you know, for my 19 year old who's a vegetarian. She's a big fan of Indian food because there's a lot of vegetarian options. And, you know, in other contexts, you know, my son was at a shopping center the other day. My daughter was getting some clothes and he went off to the Nike outlet and he found some basketball shoes. So now, because the basketball shoes he's worn for the last year and a half are kind of wearing out. So he found some new Nike basketball shoes. And so he wanted to... He wanted to buy them, and fortunately they were on clearance, so that's even better because they're less expensive. But the Nike basketball shoes fit his feet and feel better on his feet than, say, Reebok or Adidas or Converse or... Or Under Armour or any of the other clothing, you know, shoe manufacturers that are out there. And I can understand that. I had similar, you know, preferences for shoes, you know, when I was in high school and played basketball. The versions of basketball shoes that were available then in Nike tended to fit my feet better. And it's not that I disliked.
Explore the nuances of estate planning with Al Smith and attorney Michael Bailey in this informative discussion. Learn about the differences between wills and trusts, and why having a plan that adapts to life changes is crucial for ensuring a smooth transition of assets. The conversation sheds light on privacy issues during probate and emphasizes the value of leaving a legacy that reflects your life's values and achievements, rather than just dividing financial assets.
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Welcome to Retirement Unpacked with Al Smith, owner of Golden Eagle Financial. You want a retirement plan that alleviates your fears about the future so you know your money will last. As a chartered financial consultant, Al Smith will help you find a balance between the risk and reward of the market and the safety of your retirement income. And now, here's your host, Al Smith.
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Welcome to another program of Retirement Unpacked. We have a very special guest today, Michael Bailey, mobile estate planning attorney. And what I do is I help people plan for retirement financially, but what Michael Bailey does is he helps people discern where they want their assets to go, and how that process can work smoothly. Michael, thank you so much for being my guest today. First question I would like to ask is, I imagine a lot of people you have met with already have an estate plan, but they may have a problem with it or a mistake with it. What would you say is the most common mistake you see in people's estate plan other than not having a plan?
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Not keeping it up to date. Not keeping it current for where they're at. Whether it's, well, we did a will when our kids were five and three years old, and now they're 35 and 33. Well... Anybody who has children understands that a three-year-old and a five-year-old have different needs than a 33-year-old and a 35-year-old. And, you know, just whether it's at three and five, you're worried about who's going to raise the kids. And now at 33 and 35, you can be worried about, huh, you know, do we want to leave all our assets to them outright or what do we want to do? So life circumstances change all the time. And lots of people, you know, they... There was an old Ronco commercial for like a rotisserie oven where the whole audience would repeat the phrase, you set it and forget it. So an estate plan is not necessarily a set and forget type of thing to do. It's something that you want to update over time and people forget that life changes or that things become different from time to time.
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Well, yeah, it's clearly not a time capsule or something like that. And when you have minor children, the major concern, if you're a couple, assuming you're a couple, is who would raise your minor children? Because most couples with small children don't have monstrous financial estates, but they do have children. And if something were to happen to both of them, I know When I do life insurance and so forth and we get down to the beneficiary designation, someone will say, oh, I want my sister because, you know, she you know, she would take care of the kids and everything like that. And I strongly suggest against that because If the sister were to go through a divorce about the same time both of these parents died, then instead of that money going to their children, it can go to her sister's ex-spouse or something like that.
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You're very generous in how you see that, too. Because if you put your sister and everything goes to the sister, the sister is legally entitled to keep all of that money.
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Absolutely.
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By moral and familial obligation, no, they're not. But legally, they can just keep it. So, like, one of my younger brothers actually has me listed as his beneficiary. And I'm like, uh, that's not a great idea. I mean, I'll take care of your kids, I promise. But... If, you know, something happens, I mean, not that I'm planning on divorcing my wife or anything like that, but let's say that I'm driving along I-70 or I-25, and I'm determined to be at fault for a crash, and now suddenly there's a $500,000 judgment against me. Well, do you really want your life insurance that's supposed to be for your kids going to pay for my liability? That's not really what you want to do, so...
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Yeah, there's a very simple provision in life insurance beneficiary arrangements. You actually write the names of the children, and then you write something in there that indicates if they're a minor, there would be some separate arrangement to be arranged. At that time, there would be some kind of trustee or something, which is far better than naming a sister or something like that.
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Right.
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Now, obviously, not updating can be a big mistake. And when you talk to people about their estate plan, one of the things I talked to people about with their financial plan is what they want their retirement to look like, but also what legacy, but not legacy in terms of leaving a bunch of money to people, but what do you want people to take away from the fact that you were here on this planet for 80 or 90 years? Do you ever have a conversation with people about things that go beyond who gets which stuff?
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Sometimes. I mean, you know, people who want to leave a legacy. And, I mean, the most common conversation I have is, okay, so what do you want the last thing to remember about you? You know, if you have an estate plan and you have a good estate plan and you have an estate plan that can make things smooth and easy, then they're going to remember, you know, they'll go to your funeral. They'll remember all the things that happened there. or if you don't have an estate plan or you have an estate plan that's incomplete or outdated or you don't, and it's, it's just a big mess. Then the last thing, the last memory they will have of you is that you left them a financial mess that they had to try to pick up and they had to figure out with all attorneys and maybe fighting with siblings and all those type of things. And is that the type of legacy you want to leave for someone that, you know, the lot, your last act was a failure to act and you had a, So you left a big mess for people? Or do you want your legacy to be, how can I be remembered? Do I pass on? So I'll use an example from our family. My wife grew up playing a grand piano. She learned how to play the piano on a grand piano. And her four younger brothers, none of them play the piano. Some of their wives do, but not them. So when my in-laws pass away, the grand piano comes to us because it'll be the remembrance of what she learned to play on and then Depending on when they pass away, if it comes to us and our kids play the piano or something like that. Suddenly, it's a piano. It's not going to be we're going to establish a foundation that will help end world hunger over the next 200 years. But it's something along that. How do you want to be remembered? Do you want to be remembered as... I had a client who, by the time she died, she was down to like $60,000. And she left $20,000 to each of her kids. And one of her kids, the house was going into foreclosure. And so the $20,000 was enough to save the house. The other one had just gotten divorced, and the $20,000 was enough to pay the legal bills. And the third child was in a much better financial situation, so the $20,000 got used on a vacation to Costa Rica and the Caribbean islands. So three different situations, but all of them remembered mom as giving them that final gift that helped them to accomplish what they needed to at that point in their lives.
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And the fact that the mother treated them equally in spite of their different financial needs because a lot of the people I sit down and work with and we talk about if they want to leave a financial legacy. And I've had people tell me, well, my daughter is a Ph.D. and she's with a company and has stock options. Uh-huh. and things of this nature. So in some cases, the children are doing far better even than the parents. But in all likelihood, there's still going to be money left over just because if people were frugal enough to build up a nest egg, they're probably not going to spend it all during their retirement either. And so I think thinking in terms of, because I've had a few that have sort of a lopsided estate distribution based on their children's ability or inability to go through life, so to speak.
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Right. And sometimes that's the most fair way to do it. I had a client who had three children. One was a doctor and a multimillionaire. One was a financial planner and multimillionaire. And one was a third grade teacher. And you'll notice I didn't add their net worth on there. Because third grade teachers aren't exactly known for being the most highly compensated. It's a tough job. You didn't add and a lottery winner. No, no, no, I didn't. But this particular client, they recognized that. So they left 5% to each of the two sons and 90% to their daughter. Because the two sons didn't need the money and the daughter that was a third grade teacher did. And the sons were kind of like, hey, yeah, we're way on board with that. Because we have a whole lot more money than... Our sister does, and we don't need extra. If you give it to us, mom, all we're going to do is turn around and give it back to our sister. So we set up the estate plan, and that's how they wanted things to go. That was their preference, and it's perfectly fine and viable to do. You don't have to treat everybody equally all the time, but you want to treat them fairly and what would be best for your situation.
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Well, and those who are listing who are Christians, I think we know that when you go to meet St. Peter, he's not going to ask you how much was in your 401k or how much were your stock options worth for the company that you founded. You're going to ask, if you're asked anything, whom did you help while you were back on earth?
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Right. I mean, I don't know, St. Peter might digress into such things if he needed to, but, you know, they are the pearly gates, so we'll see.
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Well, exactly. And I think that term legacy has interesting nuances to it because some people think in terms of a legacy only financial. I often think of a legacy as what did people learn from from you while you were there? Did you spend time with your grandkids or did you just send them a card and a check on their birthdays and was that about it? Or did they learn some things from you? Maybe how to build things, how to go fishing, how to build a campfire. If it's a daughter and a grandmother, you know, dress up things. What are they going to think about you when you leave this world aside from who gets which stuff?
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Right, and what do they remember of you and what did they learn? I have a little bit of an example of that just from recently. So it's been a little over a month since I picked up my oldest from her freshman year of college. So she went off to school at BYU. So we drove her over there in August and went to pick her up at the end of April. And so as we were traveling over to pick her up, I ended up helping to clean the apartment because she was one of the last in the apartment and everybody else who had left. And so when you're the last one to leave an apartment, there's always stuff to be cleaned. And that's what mom and dad are there for. And I can operate a mop and a vacuum just as well as anybody else and clean things. But as we were driving over... my daughter was following our progress on snapchat because my wife has snapchat and there's a fine location so she could see us going there and so we parked and we were walking in and she came down out of her dorm room and we were kind of walking up a little hill and there's there's a path that splits and goes around this grass hill she came out of her dorm room and she saw us and she ran as fast as she her as fast as she could to come give us a big hug since we hadn't seen her since christmas And she's like, oh, it's so good to see you. I've missed you so much. And I'm like, well, we still have a 16-year-old at home who doesn't quite grasp how we may not do everything right, and we probably don't. But suddenly my daughter, when she came home from school, she's like, it's so nice just to go do your laundry and not have to worry about is the machine going to be broken, and will somebody pull it out and throw it on the ground? and a big wet pile of clothes. So suddenly now our 19-year-old is beginning to see a legacy of my wife and I and what we've done in trying to raise her. And I hope that we can continue that past when we're here and things, whether you're taking care of your kids or raising them well or teaching them lessons of, you mentioned being Christian in St. Peter, Are we passing along our knowledge of faith in the Lord to our kids and things like that? Those are all part of the legacies and all part of what we do.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I think when you mentioned when your daughter saw you, she began running. All I could think of is she's running back to the apartment to get rid of the trash.
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No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's what came to my mind.
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She came to give us a hug. That's awesome. And then we went up and I said, hey, would you want me to carry this trash out to the dumpster? She said, yeah, that'd be great. So she knew dad would be willing to do that, so.
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Yeah, that is awesome. I have a strange memory of my first going from high school to college. It was the first time I ever got on an airplane flying from Chicago to Iowa City. That's a strange story in itself. But there's a whole lot more that our listeners need to know about creating their estate plan. And we'll talk a little more about that after the break.
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Welcome back to Retirement Unpacked. This is Al Smith, financial advisor. If you'd like a conversation with me about preparing for retirement or maybe saving a little on your taxes as you move through retirement or making sure you're saving enough money since people seem to be living a lot longer now than they did in years past, contact my office at 303-744-1128. This afternoon, we're having a great conversation with Michael Bailey, estate planning attorney who is also on KLZ. His show is on right after mine. And we talked about mistakes people made in their estate plan. And what are the biggest problems if someone has a simple will rather than a trust?
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So whether it's a problem or just a difference in approach is kind of in the eye of the beholder. So both wills and trusts will give away assets to your beneficiaries or your heirs when you pass away. So a will does so through the probate process. So if you were to... If when you die, your named personal representative who's in charge of the will would take the will to the probate court and apply for probate. And probate is the legal process of getting assets from the deceased individuals to the named beneficiaries or the heirs. And so there's just a process to go through. You apply for probate. They give you legal permission to... and transfer assets out of a person's name and act on behalf of the deceased person. And you just go through the process. Basically, you tell the court that the person died. They say, okay, here's your legal permission to transfer their assets. And then the court wants to know what they had. And, you know, do they have any debts? So you go and you pay off the debts out of what's left over from the person who's died. And then whatever's left over, you give a final accounting to the court that says, here's what we had. Here's what we paid. Here's what's left over. And then you can split it up. And it says, okay. Now a trust is an alternative to a will. A trust can also distribute assets, but a trust only controls property that's owned by the trust. So if you put assets inside of the trust and the trust doesn't die with you, the trust continues to exist. So you can have what's called a successor trustee. Trustee is a person who's in charge of a trust. So the successor trustee can take over that trust and they have access to those assets and they can take, and they still have to pay off debts and things like that, but they can distribute those assets out and they don't have to interface with the courts and go through the probate process.
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Well, for lack of a different explanation, it's sort of like the difference between a sole proprietorship and a corporation. A corporation continues beyond the life of the corporate owner, but a sole proprietor ends when the owner of the business dies.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And so there's just, I mean, many corporations will end when a person dies because it's a small corporation, but the corporation itself does not die with the owner. Whereas a sole proprietorship, by definition, it's owned by the proprietor, passes away.
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Exactly. Similar to a trust and a will. Now, I know one of the things, in small towns especially, I've seen local newspapers and they'll have um announcements uh if anyone has anything uh that they want to charge against the estate of george peterson they have to go to the elbert county court and present that claim against his estate right whereas that does not apply if someone has a trust so besides it not going to court it's a more private event when someone passes on and they have a trust is that accurate
SPEAKER 05 :
That is correct, because one of the steps of probate is to give notice to unknown creditors. So you give notice to unknown creditors that are possibly out there that might have a claim against the estate. With a trust, you don't necessarily have to give notice to unknown creditors. It's not part of the process. And a trust is a private document. Everything can be distributed according to the terms of the trust. And you don't have to check in with the government. You don't have to check in with the courts. Your will, when you take it to the court, becomes a public document. So it's a public record. So anybody can go look at it. Your will, not that most people would, but many of the wills that we studied in law school where things had gone wrong, they had been filed for probate, and so we could read their wills and learn about things. So like Elvis Presley's will or Mark Rothko's will. We never read John Lennon's will because John Lennon had a trust, and so nobody can know exactly what the terms and who got what. It's just not because it's a private document. And so... For people who value privacy and don't want their personal affairs paraded around, then a trust can be very useful and helpful there too.
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My daughter showed me, I don't know if it's a website or where it is, but incredibly famous people that had absolutely terrible estate plans. And I thought it was incredibly interesting because these people were multimillionaires, but their estate plan, I think Howard Hughes comes to mind.
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Right.
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But these other people, their estate plan was either inadequate or too old or very poorly drawn. But I think the most interesting thing is when things are done properly, then things, I'm assuming, go smoothly. And the nice thing about a living trust, correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't pay taxes. The taxes flow through to the individuals. Am I right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you're alive, yes. So a revocable living trust is a flow-through entity.
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You're very much like my other analogy, like an S corporation. The profits of a corporation flow through to the shareholders of the S corporation. Now, years ago, I remember hearing a gentleman who was – very, very big life insurance producer that always recommended a trust. And he gave the example of his wife. And way back then, he was very much the leader of the household. He said his wife hadn't ever even written a check. That happens. Yeah. And so he was not about to leave her a certain amount of hundreds of thousands of dollars when she hadn't written a check to pay public service. Instead, he created a trust that created a stream of income so she wouldn't have to be concerned about any of that. And he would also ask these other life insurance producers who were in the room to whom he was speaking, You're going to give this money to your children. Well, have you given them a few hundred thousand dollars to practice with before you pass on?
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Right.
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And in spite of the fact they thought their children were doing okay, they never had that opportunity before. And with the trust, they would only be able to do foolish things with the money according to the terms of the trust.
SPEAKER 05 :
It depends on how you set the terms of the trust. You can give things to people outright. Or if you wanted to control assets through a trust, you could. I mean, my kids being 19, 16, and 13, if my wife and I die, there's about $3 million of life insurance that would pay out. So each kid would suddenly be a millionaire. Well, my almost 13-year-old, he'll be 13 in a week and a half here, he would spend that money on anything related to Minecraft or Roblox or video games. The 19-year-old is pretty, you know, financially, she's a saver. And the 16-year-old likes stuffed animals and, you know, kind of, she's getting into nice jewelry now. So, you know, we don't necessarily want to say, oh, here, have a million dollars, good luck, have fun, figure it out. You know, if your kids are in their 40s, 50s, 60s, and, you know, that you may not have given them the money to practice with, but they've earned their own money to show that they are financially responsible, then it might be, it could very well be perfectly okay to give them that money outright. But if you want terms and conditions or restrictions on things, then using a trust that will survive your death is a very helpful thing there.
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Yeah. I heard of a real interesting thing where it was recommended that a woman, she had a couple of children. One of the children had really, really not made much of himself, and it was suggested that he could receive money from the trust equal to whatever he earned that year because he hadn't worked in a while.
SPEAKER 05 :
I've done that for people where they don't want their kids to just have some sort of windfall, so... They bring in their W-2 or their Schedule C to show how much income they had, and they're like, okay, well, the trust will match that. If that's something that would be useful and helpful, then we can certainly do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Michael, I want to thank you. How would people reach you if they had a need for estate planning?
SPEAKER 05 :
So they can call me at 720-394-6887, or they can find me online at mobileestateplanning.com.
SPEAKER 03 :
And for people who are in remote areas, you go to see them. Is that accurate?
SPEAKER 05 :
I do travel to go visit people where they are, yes.
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That is extremely helpful because as people get up in years, transportation and getting around and that sort of thing are not as easy as they used to be, especially with the traffic we're experiencing. Thank you for listening, everyone. If you'd like to have a conversation with me, call my office at 303-744-1128. God bless you. Thank you for listening. And let's keep our leaders and our prayers along with the folks in the Middle East. Bye now.
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The Navy is mulling over new names for ships that replace stupid names for ships named after people with no association to the Navy. So the Navy is going to rename the Harvey Milk ship. And here's how Lefty cites, right? Hegseth orders the Navy to strip. He's not, they're renaming it. It is the, it was the office of the Secretary of the Navy, the official who holds the power to name the ships, showed that they had come up with rollout plans. They're renaming the oiler ship, the USNS Harvey Milk ship. And you guys, you guys know Harvey Milk. He was basically basically he's a pedophile. He dated a 16 year old boy. Harvey Milk also praised the Reverend Jim Jones. And in fact, in 1978, he wrote a letter to Jim Acotta where he was defending Jones and he was opposing Jim. This custody fight between this guy and his wife, Timothy Stone, he was trying to get his six-year-old son, John, who apparently was living there in Jonestown. And Harvey Milk wrote a letter to Jimmy Carter opposing that custody effort. He wanted to keep John at Jonestown. And John was amongst the 900 or so people who were killed in murder-suicide there a year later. And this is what Harvey Milk wrote at the time, quote, Reverend Jones is widely known in the minority communities here and elsewhere as a man of the highest character. And he's undertaken constructive remedies for social problems, which have been amazing in their scope and effectiveness. He's also highly regarded amongst the church, labor and civil civic leaders of a wide range of political persuasions. So he says that Timothy and Grace Stone, they're attempting to damage the reverend's reputation. So anyway, just to let you know. Yeah, Harvey Milk, he's got issues. I mean, he had issues. The 16-year-old was just amongst them. He preyed on Jack McKinley when Milk was 33 and McKinley was 16. I mean, there's a lot there. Nobody had any business naming a ship after this twink. Nobody did. And so they're stripping him. They're stripping the ship of that name, thankfully. Golly, I'm shocked that the ship didn't sink or something like that. How is that not bad luck? So that was good news to hear that. They said that they confirmed it was making preparations, that it was brought on by Hegseth, and that the timing of the announcement during Pride Month was intentional. Good. And? And they're also going to target other ships. Why are you naming ships after people that had nothing to do with the military? Or, like, ships, right? It doesn't make any sense. So they had like the USNS Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Seriously? Come on. I don't know. So they they're renaming them. Maybe we can have like some, you know, better names than some of these. I don't get it. But I just why were we doing that in the first place? What was the point of that? The left is so performative. Yes, as Kane said, yes, the left wants to tear down all the statues. Well, this is just, you know, we're returning the favor. That's all we're doing. We're returning the favor and restoring some dignity to these vessels. So that was that's a good to see. I mean, yes, I know we could, you know, maybe I'd like to see the Pentagon, the DOD spend taxpayer dollars better. But, you know, we'll see how it goes. Caltech's Gen 3 Sub 2K, which they rolled out with just just a month ago. And it's another game changer from Kel-Tec, which always makes really cool stuff. Incredibly neat stuff. Great quality. I mean, it's American parts, American labor, and everything is made right here in the U.S. of A. And it is the Sub-2K. This is the one that folds in half. which is awesome because it's like gun origami. You can just take it and fold it in half. It's awesome. Folding available in all these different calibers. Now even more versatile with the 10-millimeter chambering. Single twist and fold motion to that rotating forend. 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And it's one of, I think, the best lessons that I learned from a very dear friend of mine, who is my one-time boss, the late Andrew Breitbart, who introduced me to the work, not the film work, but like the the political thought work of my next guest. And I mean, just like a brand new world opened up. David Mamet doesn't really need an introduction. I mean, he is an American icon. And it's crazy because I've it's very weird to actually talk to somebody who has such a great body of work and who I think redefined how movies talk And was such is such a great writer of dialogue and character development. And I mean, the scene, the Chicago way scene from The Untouchables is, I think, one of the standout scenes that really got me into that genre. And I've read almost everything that he's done. I think I've seen everything that he's done. And he's just a living legend. And he's also like minded. which is very weird. It's like finding a two-headed calf. He's like-minded. That doesn't happen very often. David Mamet now joins us via video. He's got a new book out, The Disenlightenment, Politics, Horror, and Entertainment, and also a new film that he did with Shia LaBeouf, Henry Johnson, which you can find on the website, henryjohnsonmovie.com, and he joins us now. David, it's such a pleasure to have you. I've always wanted to talk with you Thanks so much for giving us some of your time. Congrats on the new film. Congrats on the book. And thank you for setting all of these knuckleheads straight about everything. I've watched a number of your interviews. And I mean, I've been hearing about it, too, from other from other viewers and members of our audience who are watching you. And they're like, he gets it. And people feel so encouraged that someone who does what you do understands their perspective. So thank you.
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Thank you so much. You know, I was thinking about you today, and I know you like beats, right? Yes, you know I do. Okay. And I wanted to say that what's missing when we say the Judeo-Christian civilization is no longer applicable, what's missing is shame. So you see a lot of things, people on the left, they're free to lie because they have no shame. And they have no shame before each other. They have no shame before God because they aren't grateful. So I wanted to tell you that the greatest aid to gratitude is beats. Do you know why? Why? Why? Okay, I love beets. I know you love beets. You so love super beets. So I was thinking, you know, you eat beets. I love them. Yum, yum, yum. You get up the next morning and you look, you're peeing. And oh my God, you see my urine is red. I'm pissing blood. So the first thing you think is, oh my God, so soon, so soon. Well, I guess that's the thing. Then you think, who's going to get my pocket knife collection? Right. And then you think, I hope my wife doesn't marry a lawyer if she does. Well, shame on her. And then you remember that you ate beets and you say, my God, thank you. I'm not actually dying today. I have another day. It's a gift. So I wanted to thank you for promoting the religiosity of the Gratitude of Beats.
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It is my pleasure. And I think it's more pleasurable than asparagus. So you're welcome. You're welcome on that. I wanted to, I wanted to ask you because you've, I think that you get the, I mean, obviously, cause you know, you're a man. I mean, I, you get the psyche of men and you, you get the psyche of male characters. And I think you better than anyone can kind of really see into that. And I bring this up because as you know, and you've talked about this a little bit, uh, Democrats are, you know, fellow Americans on the other side of the aisle. They actually spent 20 something million dollars to study men to try to figure out where they went wrong with men this last election. They're trying to understand what the disconnect is. What do you think the disconnect is with the left? I don't think they need to spend that on it.
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Well, you know, Schiller, not the philosopher, my oculist, he said, with stupidity, even the gods struggle in vain. That's the one thing I know that Schiller said. It's so true. If someone, you know, there's two phrases that everyone's using on the left now, double down and die on this hill. It's all about doubling down. So if you're stupid, if you've done something stupid, as I certainly have, I try to do it, you know, As little as possible, when I do it again every day, wisdom comes from being able to step back and say, you know what, that was stupid. The problem with the left is that they've plucked themselves into a corner. Because if they say of any of these absurd, blasphemous, horrendous, savage ideas that they've doubled down on, Their life is over, as far as they know it, because they're going to lose their spouse, they're going to lose their kids in their head, they're going to lose their job, they're going to lose their community. So they have to keep doubling down. And that's why, for example, as it becomes clearer and clearer that climate change is a hoax, they've doubled down on anti-Semitism. Because rather than saying, wait a second, let's stop, right, let's go down to the kitchen table and see what's actually happening, they have to reinforce their... their stupidity to make sure they're all on the same page, because that's what happens in a totalitarian regime.
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Yes, yes, that's true. That's absolutely true. The phrase toxic masculinity, I think, had contributed a lot to that. This idea that men couldn't be men anymore and that men, especially like some of the characters that you've written, that those men are somehow anachronistic with our times today, that they're out of vogue, that these men don't, there's no place in society for manly men anymore. But I don't see that. I don't, I, I don't see that. And I feel like that's... Do you think that the pendulum is swinging the other way? Because it seems like for so long, men have been under attack. They've been, I think, discredited, disenfranchised, however you want to put it. And now I feel like Democrats and the left, they sort of realize that they have played the wrong hand. Are we... Is that pendulum going to swing back? Are we going to have like a reset where things feel a little bit more... I don't know the best way to say it. Normal? You do. Normal? Correct? How do you view that? Are we going to get back to the way that it was? Like the 80s and the 90s when things seemed saner?
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Well, they were saner. We're in the midst of a huge... cultural upheaval, and I think that it's largely formed, it's caused by a huge shift in technology. Just as the culture started to fall apart in the late 18th and early 19th century because of the Industrial Revolution, everything changed. So things have changed yet again now because of the computer revolution. Everything has changed. So rather than saying, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, what's changed? What can I do about it? Which Elon is saying, Trump is saying, the Republicans are saying, people are saying, no, no, no, no, no, no. Something is terribly wrong, but it's not that the culture has changed. It's very difficult to look at that. It's saying, you know what it is? Men are toxically masculine. People are born into the wrong sex. jews are the devil and the earth is burning and p.s any man who wants to compete in women's sports so it's it's chicken little whoever's screaming the loudest because who is capable of stepping back and understanding the time in which he or she lives the answer is nobody and that's why we have laws yeah right because if not we're going to resort to our feelings and our feeling absent laws and absent the idea that we can rely on the government is panic. Look, for the first time in many years, I'm not walking around, and a lot of people aren't walking around saying, oh my God, if I say the wrong thing, someone's going to throw me in jail. So for the first time, certainly in the last four years, I and everybody on the right is saying, I believe in government, which is not to say so much that I believe in Trump, although it may, but saying I believe in law, and I believe that the law is going to exist to protect the citizen.
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Well, that's the nature of a republic, right? Everyone's equal before the law and underneath the law when they when they violate it. I mean, we're not it's not a rejection of government so much as it's an embrace embracing fair and equally apportioned government, I guess, for the lack of a better way to say it. that makes sense. I know that you're a fan of POTUS and you identify basically as, I think, a conservative is what I read, which you like to conserve the individual, which I think is the best way to put it. That's how I've always viewed it. How do you view conservatism in modern times now? I mean, it feels like it's the common sense place to be. It's like not the common sense party, but it's like the common sense ideology. And it seems like people who have never really maybe identified as that before, maybe they were classical liberals, maybe they thought they were kind of more moderate progressives. Now they now they think this is so much common sense due to so much of what you said. So now they are they're embracing the word conservative, conservative, conserving common sense, conserving individualism.
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Yeah, I think so. You know, it says in the Talmud, where there is no bread, there is no law, and where there is no law, there is no bread. So the question of conservatism, constitutional conservatives, is not what is the right thing to do. Because a lot of times we don't look good because we all have passions, right? We want to belong. We want to feel good about ourselves. And so this idea of classical liberalism, what is the right thing to do? The idea of social justice, which has to mean injustice, right? Because it's based on a feeling. The correct question is not what is the right thing to do, but the correct question is what is the law? Now, can the law be wrong? Sure. We have a law which enables us to change that. Additionally, that against my people the Jews say, the prophet Micah says, Micah says, what are you supposed to do? Do justice. Love mercy. And be humble before God. So that's the correct answer to me. And as conservatism, absolutely do justice. But you've got to love mercy, too. Right. But they're two different verbs, aren't they?
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Yes. Yeah, exactly. And they're not entirely mutually exclusive either, I think. We're talking to David. Not at all. Yeah, exactly. Talking to David Mamet, legendary screenwriter, author. He's got a new film out as well. Henry Johnson with Shia LaBeouf. And you can see it at Henry Johnson movie dot com. You mentioned to anti-Semitism. This is this is an insane thing here. It's twenty twenty five. And I honestly I hear from my kids. I have a son in college and he says that he's noticed an increase in anti-Semitism with his generation. That talk to me a little bit about that, because, again, it's 2025. I don't know if we're just so far removed from the greatest generation that we're like forgetting the horror. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around why this is like we had a guy who tried to set people on fire in Boulder. And then there was I mean, there's like been at least like three, I think, attacks. There was a couple that was shot at in D.C. What are your thoughts on this? And why how are we in this? How is this happening in 2025?
SPEAKER 05 :
What's happening for a bunch of reasons. One is that my people, the Jews, have not had a state for 2,000 years. We've been at the best guests and at the worst slaves and always at the mercy of whatever country we were living in because we were never actually citizens. So we got into the habit of keeping our head down and saying, I can put up with it, I can put up with it. Eventually they're going to kill some of us, blah, blah, blah. Finally, the state of Israel comes along with some people said, you know, that's enough, we have to have our own state. As Theodor Herzl said, when he was looking at Dreyfus, who was being maligned as a traitor in France in 1895, he was a Jewish officer, and Herzl was a very famous and successful Austrian playwright and assimilated Jew, and he went to see Dreyfus being disgraced for a false accusation of treason, but the people weren't yelling death to the traitor, they were yelling death to the Jews. Herzl sat down, he said, oh, my God, they're going to kill us all. We need our own country, right? And by the grace of God, 50 years later, we have our own country. But a lot of the world still doesn't. Listen, it's the go-to thing. It's a guy loses his job, he comes home, he beats his wife, okay? She says, if you do that again, I'm going to leave. He comes back again. He beats her again. She goes to the cops. The cops say, wait a second, be a good wife. This doesn't happen anymore. But that's a traditional unfortunate outbreak of people who are defenseless. So. To say of the Jews, what are you doing? To bring it about, it's the same thing as saying of the wife, well, what was the expression on your face when your husband came home? Now, the reason anti-Semitism is breaking out, again, is for two reasons. One is that the society is reinventing itself because of this The computers upended everything. How we date, whom we marry, how we work, how we talk to each other, what we see, where we get our news. It upsets everything. So people are upset. So what are they going to do? Just like the guy who comes home when he kicks his wife, he is going to go to the most proximate permitted victim. which is for 2,000 years been to Jews. There's a second thing, and I think that we understand that when we look at Greta Thunberg, right? Here's a little girl, God bless her, you know, she's a professional truant. She says, the earth is burning, run for your life. The earth is burning, run for your life. Okay, give her the Nobel Peace Prize, you know, and pat her on the back and put her on the cover of Time magazine. Now, it turns out that the left gets tired of this fiction, right? And it turns out the Earth is not burning and the polar ice caps are increasing. So now what? What does Greta Thunberg do? She gets on a ship to go to Gaza. What in the hell does this little girl who's never gone to school in her life, God bless her, all of a sudden, in addition to knowing about the earth is burning, she knows about what's happening in Israel. She just ran out of steam, so she cross-decked herself. So that's what's happening. Those are the two things that lead to anti-Semitism. It's a proximate victim, and the left is always moving from one horror victim to the next. It's COVID. It's the Y2K thing. It's Islamophobia. It's the earth is burning. And now it's the Jews. Okay. What's new?
SPEAKER 01 :
I mean, I think that's it entirely. I wish that we had more time because I feel like it's like drinking from a fire hose. And I love the points that you make. And I think that you're such a great mind, especially And not just conservative ideology, but political ideology. The new book is The Disenlightenment. The Secret Knowledge was the first book of yours that I read. And then I went back out of order and read all your other ones. But Andrew Breitbart gave me that book. And that's how I was introduced to all of your conservative thought, was that The Secret Knowledge. David Mamet. And the new film, Henry Johnson, with Shia LaBeouf. HenryJohnsonMovie.com. You can go get it, watch it right on the site. David, it's such a pleasure. I would love to have you back. I'd love to talk with you for a longer period and do like a sit down. I think that you just have so much to say and I'm all here for it. So thank you so much for your time. You've been so generous today.
SPEAKER 05 :
So anytime at all. It's a real pleasure talking to you.
SPEAKER 01 :
Thank you so much. Thanks so much. God bless David Mamet, everyone. And make sure you go see the new film, Henry Johnson and get the new book, which is fabulous. By the way, we have more in store as we wrap up this second hour. Stick with us. Third hour on the way. Gold Coat Precious Metals. This is a great hedge in uncertain times. I mean, this is like one of I love the gold standard all about gold and silver. And you can get your free 2025 gold and silver kit today. Qualify and get unlimited bonus silver from gold code that's real silver and it's instantly matched to your account tax and penalty free. Gold and silver, as you know, have stood the test of time. And these are hard assets that offer real security. Get educated before you invest, though. They tell you everything that you need to know. It breaks down how precious metals fit into your financial strategy. And again, you can unlock that exclusive bonus silver. If you qualify, GoldCo will match your investment with unlimited bonus silver. And I love no taxes or penalties. It's so great. Visit DanaLikesGold.com. Join thousands of people who have called GoldCo the number one rated gold company. And you can get that free copy of their 2025 gold and silver kit and qualify for and get unlimited bonus silver. It's DanaLikesGold.com.
SPEAKER 04 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 01 :
So apparently it's a killdozer day. Did you know that? Happy Killdozer Day. If you're unfamiliar with Killdozer Day, uh, Killdozer, this was, uh, a guy who was a repair shop owner. He, uh, had a modified bulldozer in Granbury, Colorado. This is in June 2004. And, uh, Marvin Hemare. And, uh, he was, uh, he didn't hurt. He, he, uh... Didn't hurt anybody during his rage except for himself, unfortunately. But he was upset because he was a disgruntled resident because of a zoning dispute. And so he destroyed his store and went on a rampage. He had this bulldozer completely kitted out. There's no way you could get into it. This thing was reinforced six ways to Sunday. But he was known for the killdozer rampage. It was falling down come to life. Yeah. It literally was. I mean, it absolutely was. Let's see. Also, I thought that was a very important to share because I almost it was June 4th. So Kildore's the day is the date. Unfortunately, his rampage ended and he he committed suicide, which is sad. But let's see here. A couple of other things while I wait for all of this to reload because it's so ridiculously slow. Yeah, I know. It's Safari. What are you going to do? I can't. U.S. is apparently going to offer Iran a nuclear deal, allowing temporary uranium enrichment. We'll follow up with more about that. And Emmanuel Macron wax work was stolen from a Paris museum by Greenpeace activists. I don't know what they're going to do with it, but I'm all for waiting to find out. They stole. It's going to melt like if it's warm over there. The thing is going to don't you have to keep those things in like a temperature controlled room? Scientists were stunned as heat caught on camera bounced like sun. It was the first time apparently that it was ever captured. And they said that researchers at MIT used a new mapping technique to observe heat moving as a wave and bouncing back and forth. It's a wave-like manner and a phenomenon that they call second sound. And it's the first time that they were able to actually capture it. Walt Disney is going to live again as a robot. His granddaughter said he never wanted this. It's the saddest headline ever. They're going to try to make him a robot and his granddaughter says it's freaky. And she said that she had no it. He does not want this. He was just grandpa and he does not want something like this. I would agree, actually. Oh, wait, I'm going to go all the way back here. Texas woman dies from brain eating amoeba after using tainted RV water. I am really weird about water sources. Really weird. And she was using nasal. This is why you only use distilled water if you're going to do this stuff. She used RV water that was tainted where she was, I guess, doing like a nutty pot. And, yeah, she had neurological symptoms days after. And it was branding an amoeba and it killed her. It's horrible. These Chinese nationals that were charged with smuggling agro-terrorism animals. agent into the U.S. They said it was a direct threat. They were studying at the University of Michigan labs. The FBI director, Kash Patel, said that these two nationals, they were charged with smuggling a dangerous biological pathogen. They wanted to study it at the University of Michigan, KMC. And I mean, obviously, that's a serious threat. They said that the CCP is continuing to deploy operatives and researchers to infiltrate institutions and target food supply. And then, I mean, it really could. I mean, that's there's a reason why customs is so crazy about, you know, food and animals and seeds and stuff. It was a fungus called Fusarium. Grammarium? I don't know. It's basically what's defined as a potential agro-terrorism weapon. And they said it causes head blight, a disease of weed, barley, maize, and rice, and is responsible for billions of dollars in economic losses worldwide each year. And the toxins also cause vomiting, liver damage, and reproductive defects in humans and livestock. And the criminal in the criminal complaint, one of the researchers, 33 years old, received Chinese government funding for her work on the pathogen in China and that they describe her membership. You have to be in good standing in the CCP to be able to go back and forth like that. The other individual lied about smuggling it in. He brought it into the Detroit Metropolitan Airport, you know, because if you were all up on the above, you know, in the up and up and you were going to bring in something like this and study it. Yeah, you definitely smuggle it in and try to avoid border border protection and customs. That's exactly what you do. You know, if you're on the up and up, that's the first thing you're going to do is sneak it into the country. Right. It's asinine. Nobody believes that. So, yeah, I think I think they should be put to death. You're you're I mean, you committed an egregious violation of U.S. law. I think that we coddle these. I think we coddle these people. This is, again, another example of the CCP presenting a grave national security concern to the United States. I mean, tell me I'm wrong. I think death penalty for these to send their remains to China. I mean, why not? So dumb with this. How long has China been doing this? Can you imagine if something like that were to get? Yeah, they brought it in to study it. That's why they snuck it through and lied about sneaking it in and took great precautions to conceal it from Customs and Border Patrol. Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's a very harmful biological material. And so they obviously are detained, and I guess we'll wait and see. I think they announced these charges yesterday. What did you say? We wonder why our bread is horrible here?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not only the stuff that they spray on for pesticides and things like that, but how do we know this hasn't happened before? How do we know that none of this stuff is already in the country, already affecting our food supply? How do we know that?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, they discovered, so in 2024 of last year, One of them was turned away at the Detroit airport and sent back to China because he kept changing his story when he was being interrogated about red plant material that they found in his backpack. And he was lying about it. And he apparently was exchanging some pretty damaging messages with the partner there on his phone. But they said they found a scientific article on his phone titled Plant Pathogen Warfare Under Changing Climate Conditions. And they both, neither of them could keep their story straight. And the other thing, too, is if you're going to claim that you are going to study a tightly controlled pathogen that's monitored by USDA and Homeland Defense and all this stuff because of the damage that it could do to crops, livestock, and humans, that you would lie about and claim that you are going to study it at a university that has the federal permit to handle it. Because apparently, in order to handle this type of pathogen, to study it, you have to have a specific, actually several specific federal permits to handle it. And apparently the University of Michigan does not. So not only did they hide it, but then they lied and said that they were going to go and study it at a university that doesn't have the heart, the actual physical capability to contain it and nor the permits granted to it to actually handle it. So, yeah, they're terrorists. This was an act, a hostile act by the CCP. They should be put to death. I mean, and immediately... And they were described as two aliens presenting the gravest national security concern, according to charging docs. But yeah, we don't have an extradition extradition treaty with China. So I think one of them did. There was another one apparently that did get away, but he's not going to get arrested unless he comes back to the United States. So that's probably never going to happen. But yeah, it makes all the sense in the world. They're really bad spies. Think about this for all the talk about the CCP being, you know, so, you know, I guess suave and so good at spying. This is really bad. This is like some JV stuff. Like you can't even you can't keep your story straight under interrogation. And then you can't even provide yourself with a good enough cover story and select a university that actually has the capability and the permittance to handle this stuff. I mean, that's just like their spies suck. How are we getting duped by China? I mean, they sent a giant goofy balloon over here and we're like, oh, really? Like, how are we getting duped by them? I mean, it's like a third. It's a third world nation. It is. Stop looking at the photos of the propaganda. Come on. This is I don't know. Am I? I'm just shocked that anyone was even remotely fooled. And the fact that they had them in like little baggies in their backpack. I don't know how this pathogen is set to be contained, but Kane, baggies are not, you know, the gold standard for sealing off things.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no. Pathogens or anything. Yeah, you don't want to just put it in a Ziploc.
SPEAKER 01 :
No, that's what they did. Not even kidding. Not even. I mean, I think they were in like, I was looking at the photos, like a Ziploc, maybe in a Ziploc.
SPEAKER 04 :
They... You mean like an old school sandwich bag they used?
SPEAKER 01 :
Let me share. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like legit, like a snack bag or something. It looks like a little snack bag. Oh, yeah. Those are the little baggies. They had little bitty baggies. And they had those in their backpacks. Like, how is that not all over you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Dude, that's not... Nothing's contained in that.
SPEAKER 01 :
No. Walking through the airports with that in their backpacks, you know, derp derp, just another day. Another day in China, my gosh. Well, no wonder they eat bats. Just saying. The woo-flu.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
What do you think changed? Why do you think he's coming out against us now?
SPEAKER 01 :
And have you spoken to the president and Elon since the infamous... Well, I'll tell you, I called Elon last night and he didn't answer, but I hope to talk to him today. I mean, it's not, you know, it's very friendly and we've laughed about our differences on policy before.
SPEAKER 11 :
Have you, though? That was kind of... That was a little catty. Well, I called and he didn't answer. I mean, he does have a million kids. Can you imagine what bath time's like? I'm just kidding. But still, I thought that was kind of interesting. Well, I called and he didn't answer. That was Mike Johnson yesterday talking about Elon Musk and the fight that's breaking out kind of between everybody with regards to the big, beautiful bill and the rescissions package, too. And the – if there is fallout, if there is fallout from it, because I think that the criticisms that Musk had yesterday were legitimate criticisms. And I instead of telling someone that they don't know what they're talking about, which I think is really ignorant and false. And I think that that's the last refuge of people who cannot explain this. The bill. I think that people need to hear the criticisms of the voters. And go accordingly. Because this idea that, well, you know, he just doesn't know how this works. He's not talking about, first off, the idea that you couldn't reduce spending. And that bill is such a crock of pig feces. I am so damn tired of these asinine lawmakers telling me the same yarn over and over again. I get really pissed off over this stuff. And I can imagine you all do as well. I'm so tired of it. My gosh. Tax to blanking death. And I got these people telling us, well, we can't really cut anymore from it. That's a lie. And we know it's a lie. That's emphatically not true. But furthermore, why is the rescissions package so tiny whiny? That's the other thing. I mean, you're talking about... The difference between, I think, what was it? They said, what number was it that I gave? 170 something billion, I think. And then they, and now we got 9 billion. And they wanted the 385 billion in salt offset by 9 billion. That's a show game, y'all. That's what that's called. So welcome to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the top of the first hour. We've got an interesting show for you today. We've got David Mamet. It's going to be on later. And you should watch him. He's got a book out. But I think that he is – I think he's probably the greatest – one of the greatest living screenwriters. And I think he is the probably greatest to write dialogue of our generation, of any generation. He is phenomenal. He changed the game. If you like Taylor Sheridan, if you like Guy Ritchie, if you like Quentin Tarantino, if you like, I mean, gosh, where do I start? Everything's comparable. You love David Mamet. You loved his Chicago way scene from The Untouchables. I mean, there's so much. So he's going to be on a little bit later. And also, we're going to get into a portion of the bill that specifically relates to AI, the big, beautiful bill. And we're going to talk to Georgia Representative Rich McCormick on that because there's a section of this bill that a lot of people, including myself, are concerned about because it seems to strip away the ability for states to to manage uh and deal with ai on their own independently and i get a little worried about that kind of stuff so we got all that coming and more but uh to start with the bing beautiful bell big beautiful bell so it's in the senate everybody's fighting it's in the senate everybody's fighting and uh i got a question how many let me start out by this Okay, let me ask you this. How many people in Congress do you think are involved in insider trading?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, good Lord. I mean, technically, they all have the potential. So I don't really know for sure. But if you look at the top 10, I would say that's pretty bad. So I would say at least the top 10 that rank look as though they've been harvesting a little info from government work.
SPEAKER 11 :
A lot. Yeah. I mean, it's a lot because you got a lot of these lawmakers that go in with, you know, a minimum amount, not a minimum, but a smaller amount in their bank account. And then they're there and they end up millions of dollars richer. Now, you're probably like, well, why are you asking that, Dana, as it relates to the big, beautiful bill? Well, there's a reason why I'm asking that. because of some of the comments that took place yesterday. And I addressed some of them. I addressed some of them that were on X specifically. So for instance, I saw, let me pull this up. I'm trying to figure out, I saw this yesterday, it was Marjorie Taylor Greene. And Marjorie Taylor Greene had tweeted about the portion of the bill that I actually just mentioned the pages 278 279 where states can't regulate ai for a decade and she tweeted full transparency i did not know about this section on pages 278 279 of the obbb that's the one big beautiful bill that strips states of the right to make laws or regulate ai for 10 years i'm adamantly opposed to this it's a violation of states rights and i would have voted no if i had known this was in there And then she talked about how it needs to be stripped out of the Senate, et cetera, et cetera.
SPEAKER 1 :
Hmm.
SPEAKER 11 :
Maybe she should have read the bill instead of tweeting about, oh, I don't know, for some bizarre reason, May 21st, right when they were passing it, she was yelling and screaming about DeSantis. And for some reason, I have no idea why. She said every no on Trump's big, beautiful bill is from the Freedom Caucus, and they were and are DeSantis supporters, and one was Nikki Haley. Oh, my gosh. Maybe she should have, I don't know, read the damn bill instead of running her mouth on X. Maybe. I mean, look, if you can read the memos and the proposals within the White House about things that could affect stocks. I'm just saying, if you can read that to help you with insider trading, you sure as hell can read a bill. You can read the bill. I think that's a, that's a kind of a big point. You can read the bill then. And I made this point online as well. If you can read proposals that influence your insider trading, you can read a damn bill. And the reason I bring this up is because that lady walked in with, what, $700,000. I mean, that's what was reported. That's per Newsweek. And she apparently made $22 million. I honestly think she's wasted in Congress. Hell, if you can make that kind of money out of $700,000, this woman needs to be on Wall Street. I'm just saying, this is what Newsweek's been reporting. People say that it's absurd, but what's factual is that her net worth ballooned from $700,000 before taking office to, she's an estimated $22 million right now, and that's because of all the financial disclosures they have to file. Her base salary as a member of Congress is $174,000. So she's either like a genius at trading or she's getting... You know, she's doing insider stuff that everybody else is going to jail for. It's one or the other. I kind of think, especially considering her outburst about the bill, I kind of think it's the latter. Now, it's Republicans and Democrats that do it. This is what angers me so badly. All of these people do this. You're telling me that you can't read. And it was, yes, it was a thousand pages. Yes, it takes a couple of days to read. That's why you have a staff. If you're out on X writing diatribes on X, if you're reading all these memos pertaining to insider training, you can read the bill. I don't think there's any excuse at all whatsoever. There's no excuse. And the financial disclosures, by the way, those are indisputable. Like I said, that's something that's filed that that they have to file publicly. So I'm just I think you could have read the bill. We were talking. How long ago were we talking about this? I know I was tweeting about it over a week ago. And I know that we were talking about it on air about that time. It's been a while. So it's not like... And I know other individuals have been talking about it too. So it's not like this was a surprise. I don't know how that at all takes... I don't know how that would surprise anybody that this would be in the bill. Now... Mike Johnson can disagree with Elon Musk on this bill all he wants to. And I responded to something Stephen Miller had said. And I hope, by the way, that we are all cool enough and smart enough to realize that asking questions of members of government about things that affect our taxes isn't an attack, et cetera, et cetera. But Stephen Miller has been been talking quite a bit. He's been kind of going after the libertarians a little bit. And Elon Musk specifically, he was saying that there's a lot of confusion with the bill spending versus tax cuts. And I think that it's a deflection. It's a Mott Bailey what he's doing. He's trying to say that people are claiming that tax cuts increase the deficit. I don't think anybody's saying that. I think we're all claiming that it's the ridiculous refusal to cut or reduce spending at all that are increasing. I mean, we're literally still spending at covid levels and I don't understand why that is. And no one, including Stephen Miller, can explain it. And I think it's great if you can go on Sean Hannity's show and flex all the time. But when you can't answer simple questions like this, I mean, it really kind of makes everything else seem irrelevant. Why are we spending at that level? Why are we spending literally at 2020, 2021 levels? That does not make any sense to me. And I think it's... And when it's funding... It's still funding the government. It's still funding a lot of the Green News scheme. It's still doing all of those things. And there are a lot of other procedural tricks that members of Congress can do to get around some of this. And yes, it's reconciliation. I get all of these deflections that a lot of the big GOP establishment throw out as defense for Bush era spending. I get that. But it's also a shell game. So, for instance, to my point with the Stephen Miller thing, he was saying that, you know, when a libertarian like Rand attacks the deficit impact of the bill, they're attacking the tax cut. That is such a Mott Bailey argument. They're not attacking the tax cut. They're attacking the spending. Furthermore, at not any point has Stephen Miller ever addressed why these tax cuts are all only temporary. You don't have to take my word for it. I literally linked the damn bill, told you how to go through the bill using control F and read it all for yourself. I did. And it didn't take me days. It took me literally under an hour. You can see that they are all temporary. Why are they temporary? They all expire in 2028. And so pretending that people are attacking taxes as a way to say that that costs is a great dodge from explaining why they're all temporary and they all expire in 2028. It's a bait and switch again. And I just don't, these remedial debate tactics to try to deter people and throw them off of the real question, it's not going to work. So this idea of there's going to be a major cut in taxes is a lie. You're not getting a major tax cut. Extending what we had in 2017, if that's what was happening permanently, extending that isn't a tax cut. That's an extension of status quo. Cutting taxes further than that would be a tax cut. No tax on tips, that expires in 2028. The increased deductions, that expires in 2028. With regards to manufacturing, that all expires in 2028. I wrote about this. I copied and pasted it from the literal bill. And after every single one of these, temporarily, temporarily, temporarily, expires 2028, expires 2028, expires 2028, expires 2028, every single one. So we can do this remedial Mott Bailey BS thing. As a time waster. But that's not going to deter people who know what the real issue is from asking legitimate questions. 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SPEAKER 09 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think I would rather have a woman driver than a driverless taxi. Yeah. Like, you know how what's the thing that the feminists were saying, like pick between a bear or a man in the woods. And I'm like, really, as long as I don't have another feminist in the woods or meet a feminist in the woods, it's fine. Driverless taxis are reacting like humans on San Francisco streets. I don't like any of this. The chilling development was identified by University of San Francisco engineering professor William Riggs. He's been studying the Waymo cars since their inception, and it was on a journey with a reporter from the San Francisco Chronicle. They noticed that the Waymo they were in crept to a rolling start at a pedestrian crossing before the person reached the other footpath. They said the subtle movement was reminiscent of the way humans act behind the wheel. And it was a strange occurrence for the robotic Waymo. I think that's kind of an over assumption with that. I mean, they're mimicking human behavior. It doesn't mean that they're doing it like humans because they're sentient. Jiminy Christmas. Are they high on their own supply over there? Of course they are in San Francisco. But yeah, I would just speed up, you know, just... Two Chinese nationals were charged with smuggling potential agro-terrorism fungus in the U.S. Hang them. That's what the DOJ says. We'll talk more about this, though. They said that they were... I can't even pronounce this. If you cerarium grammy memer, I don't care.
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That sounds right.
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Did the Chinese spy scandal hurt your credibility? Are the Republicans just weaponized like a nothing burger, so to speak? You know, the fact that the FBI and the House Ethics Committee said it was bulls**t. What is he wearing? Like, I... I would hope that would be enough, but in a disinformation society, I recognize that it's everyone on the right's favorite meme. My wife tells me all the time, you know what? The second they're not going after you, you're not affected. And so I wear it as a badge of honor that these guys would want to lie about me all the time.
SPEAKER 11 :
You tell your wife that you wear it like a badge of honor that you banged a Chinese spy? I mean, okay, is that supposed to be a flex? I don't know. What is he wearing that hat for? It's like watching somebody cosplay. It's like watching someone who's never cooked try to cut vegetables. And you're like, ugh. Whenever I see people like Eric Swalwell dress what they think is like the everyman, I have the same, ugh, the same response. It's true, isn't it?
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It looked like they pulled that hat out of the prize closet from the radio station that Charlemagne works for.
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Exactly. Let's put this on. It makes you look normal. That's what they did. Eric Swalwell. It's a verbal typo and it stays. Hey, why is he so salty? I mean, you're in Congress. You're never ever going to probably lose your seat because it's California. They don't care. They really don't care who represents them. I mean, I think that they would probably, you know, send to D.C. a crack addict's feces if they could. And just like, you know, representative fee. I'm sure they would. It's California. So, yeah, he says that he's proud that they make fun of him for being a Chinese spy. I guess that's his definition of patriotism. Oh, speaking of California. So we go back to the story that I had. Here we go. I had this. This is also in your headlines. I'm trying to remember how I put it in. I was trying to remember how I put it in the headlines for your radio prep today. Oh, the Navy is mulling over new names for ships that replace stupid names for ships named after people with no association to the Navy. So the Navy is going to rename the Harvey Milk Ship. And here's how Lefty cites, right? Hegseth orders the Navy to strip. He's not. They're renaming it. It is the. It was the office of the secretary of the Navy, the official who holds the power to name the ships, showed that they had come up with rollout plans. They're renaming the oiler ship, the USNS Harvey Milk. And you guys, you guys know Harvey Milk. He was basically basically he's a pedophile. He dated a 16 year old boy. Harvey Milk also praised the Reverend Jim Jones. And in fact, in 1978, he wrote a letter to Jim Acotta where he was defending Jones and he was opposing Jim. This custody fight between this guy and his wife, Timothy Stone, he was trying to get his six-year-old son, John, who apparently was living there in Jonestown. And Harvey Milk wrote a letter to Jimmy Carter opposing that custody effort. He wanted to keep John at Jonestown. And John was amongst the 900 or so people who were killed in murder-suicide there a year later. And this is what Harvey Milk wrote at the time, quote, Reverend Jones is widely known in the minority communities here and elsewhere as a man of the highest character. And he's undertaken constructive remedies for social problems, which have been amazing in their scope and effectiveness. He's also highly regarded amongst the church, labor and civil civic leaders of a wide range of political persuasions. So he says that Timothy and Grace Stone, they're attempting to damage the reverend's reputation. So anyway, just to let you know. Yeah, Harvey Milk, he's got issues. I mean, he had issues. The 16-year-old was just amongst them. He preyed on Jack McKinley when Milk was 33 and McKinley was 16. I mean, there's a lot there. Nobody had any business naming a ship after this twink. Nobody did. And so they're stripping him. They're stripping the ship of that name, thankfully. Golly, I'm shocked that the ship didn't sink or something like that. How is that not bad luck? So that was good news to hear that. They said that they confirmed it was making preparations, that it was brought on by Hegseth, and that the timing of the announcement during Pride Month was intentional. Good. And? And they're also going to target other ships. Why are you naming ships after people that had nothing to do with the military? Or, like, ships, right? It doesn't make any sense. So they had like the USNS Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Seriously? Come on. I don't know. So they they're renaming them. Maybe we can have like some, you know, better names than some of these. I don't get it. But I just why were we doing that in the first place? What was the point of that? The left is so performative. Yes, as Cain said, yes, the left wants to tear down all the statues. Well, this is just, you know, we're returning the favor. That's all we're doing. We're returning the favor and restoring some dignity to these vessels. So that's good to see. I mean, yes, I know we could, you know, maybe I'd like to see the Pentagon, the DOD, spend taxpayer dollars better. But, you know, we'll see how it goes. In the meantime... And this couple of things. Oh, these researchers. Let me pull this up because this is what we were talking about during headlines. These Chinese nationals that were charged with smuggling agro terrorism, an agent into the US. They said it was a direct threat. It's they were. studying to the University of Michigan labs, the FBI director, Kash Patel, said that these two nationals, they were charged with smuggling a dangerous biological pathogen. They wanted to study it at the University of Michigan, KMC. And I mean, obviously, that's a serious threat. They said that the CCP is continuing to deploy operatives and researchers to infiltrate institutions and target food supply. And then, I mean, it really could. I mean, that's there's a reason why customs is so crazy about, you know, food and animals and seeds and stuff. It was a fungus called Fusarium. Grammarium. I don't know. It's basically what's defined as a potential agro-terrorism weapon. And they said it causes head blight, a disease of weed, barley, maize, and rice, and is responsible for billions of dollars in economic losses worldwide each year. And the toxins also cause vomiting, liver damage, and reproductive defects in humans and livestock. And the criminal in the criminal complaint, one of the researchers, 33 years old, received Chinese government funding for her work on the pathogen in China and that they describe her membership. You have to be in good standing in the CCP to be able to go back and forth like that. The other individual lied about smuggling it in. He brought it into the Detroit Metropolitan Airport, you know, because if you were all up on the above, you know, in the up and up and you were going to bring in something like this and study it. Yeah, you definitely smuggle it in and try to avoid border border protection and customs. That's exactly what you do. You know, if you're on the up and up, that's the first thing you're going to do is sneak it into the country. Right. It's asinine. Nobody believes that. So, yeah, I think I think they should be put to death. You're you're I mean, you committed an egregious violation of U.S. law. I think that we coddle these. But I think we coddle these people. This is, again, another example of the CCP presenting a grave national security concern to the United States. I mean, tell me I'm wrong. I think death penalty for these to send their remains to China. I mean, why not? So dumb with this. How long has China been doing this? Can you imagine if something like that were to get? Yeah, they brought it in to study it. That's why they snuck it through and lied about sneaking it in and took great precautions to conceal it from Customs and Border Patrol. Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's a very harmful biological material. And so they obviously are detained, and I guess we'll wait and see. I think they announced these charges yesterday. What did you say? We wonder why our bread is horrible here?
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Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not only the stuff that they spray on for pesticides and things like that, but how do we know this hasn't happened before? How do we know that none of this stuff is already in the country, already affecting our food supply? How do we know that?
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Well, they discovered, so in 2024 of last year, One of them was turned away at the Detroit airport and sent back to China because he kept changing his story when he was being interrogated about red plant material that they found in his backpack. And he was lying about it. And he apparently was exchanging some pretty damaging messages with the partner there on his phone. But they said they found a scientific article on his phone titled Plant Pathogen Warfare Under Changing Climate Conditions. And they both, neither of them could keep their story straight. And the other thing, too, is if you're going to claim that you are going to study a tightly controlled pathogen that's monitored by USDA and Homeland Defense and all this stuff because of the damage that it could do to crops, livestock and humans, that you would lie about And claim that you are going to study it at a university that has the federal permit to handle it. Because apparently, in order to handle this type of pathogen, to study it, you have to have a specific, actually several specific federal permits to handle it. And apparently the University of Michigan does not. So not only did they hide it, but then they lied and said that they were going to go and study it at a university that doesn't have the heart, the actual physical capability to contain it and nor the permits granted to it to actually handle it. So, yeah, they're terrorists. They are... This was an act, a hostile act by the CCP. They should be put to death. I mean, and they... And immediately... And they were described as two aliens presenting the gravest national security concern, according to charging docs. But, yeah, we don't have an extradition extradition treaty with China. So I think one of them did. There was another one apparently that did get away, but he's not going to get arrested unless he comes back to the United States. So that's probably never going to happen. But, yeah, it makes all the sense in the world. They're really bad spies. Think about this for all the talk about the CCP being, you know, so, you know, I guess suave and so good at spying. This is really bad. This is like some JV stuff. Like you can't even you can't keep your story straight under interrogation. And then you can't even provide yourself with a good enough cover story and select a university that actually has the capability and the permittance to handle this stuff. I mean, that's just like their spies suck. How are we getting duped by China? I mean, they sent a giant goofy balloon over here and we're like, oh, really? Like, how are we getting duped by them? I mean, it's like a third. It's a third world nation. It is. Stop looking at the photos of the propaganda. Come on. This is I don't know. Am I? I'm just shocked that anyone was even remotely fooled. And the fact that they had them in little baggies in their backpack, I don't know how this pathogen is set to be contained, but Kane, baggies are not the gold standard for sealing off things.
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No.
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No. Pathogens or anything. Yeah, you don't want to just put it in a Ziploc.
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No, that's what they did. Not even kidding. Not even... I mean, I think they were in like... I was looking at the photos, like a Ziploc maybe in a Ziploc.
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They... You mean like an old school sandwich bag they used?
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Let me share. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like legit, like a snack bag or something. It looks like a little snack bag.
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Oh, yeah.
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Those are the little baggies. They had little bitty baggies. And they had those in their backpacks. Like, how is that not all over you? Dude, that's not.
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Nothing's contained in that.
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No. Walking through the airports with that in their backpacks. You know, derp derp. Just another day. Another day in China. My gosh. Well, no wonder they eat bats. Just saying. The Wu Flu, Kel-Tec's Gen 3 Sub 2K, which they rolled out with just a month ago. And it's another game changer from Kel-Tec, which always makes really cool stuff. Incredibly neat stuff. Great quality. I mean, it's American parts, American labor, and everything is made right here in the U.S. of A. And it is the Sub 2K. This is the one that folds in half. which is awesome because it's like gun origami. You can just take it and fold it in half. It's awesome. Folding available in all these different calibers. Now even more versatile with the 10-millimeter chambering. Single twist and fold motion to that rotating forend. That's what folds it in half, and it deploys just as quickly and easily, zeroed and ready to rock. simple and reliable blowback design so you have ease and maintenance and consistent performance internal buffer for softer recoil lighter five pound trigger pull you have an integrated m lock and you got rails up top for accessories ideal for everything and it's made right here in the us of a learn more about caltechweapons.com innovation performance caltech k-e-l-t-e-c weapons.com tell them dana sent you
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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
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Shame on you!
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Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you!
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Shame on you! Just press accelerate. Just press the gas pedal and go. I think if you're going to be stupid enough to stand in front of checks notes, a van, then you're probably going to checks notes. Get your A-double snakes run over. Who does that stuff? Stop being stupid. Stop tempting Darwin's rule of natural selection. Jiminy Christmas. Shame on you. For what? Exercising the law? Shame on you for what? Stay out of the roads unless you want to get run over. That literally was my grandfather's words of advice. They all need to take it. If you don't want to get run over, here's a genius thought. Stay out the roads. Keep the roads off your feet instead of keep my name at your mouth. Keep the roads off your feet. How about that? Good night. And doing that, that's like battery and assault and probably a whole bunch of other stuff that's not going to get prosecuted because I'm sure it's in a blank hole city where they have a Soros prosecutor that's not going to do a singular damn thing, correct? Correct. Yeah, there you go. There it is. They're not going to do nothing. I just, you know, I think that we need to have greater penalties. I think there needs to be harsher penalties for businesses too that employ illegal labor. I really do. I think that there needs to be harsher penalties.
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We first need to start with enforcing the laws that actually exist and are on the book.
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Because this isn't going to change unless you make it hurt for the people that enable it. And let's be real. There's a reason why that that people are coming over the border. And yes, it's because you have people like Biden and Democrats that offer handouts. But also you have some businesses there, too. And boy, they pretend like they're Republicans all day long, along with some of those other Republicans in the chamber and commerce and all that stuff. Oh, yeah. But then when push comes to shove on issues like this, well, then the truth counts. Right. That's how it is. So coming up in our second hour, we have a lot to hit the latest on that bill. We got China and then David Mamet is going to join us. I love David Mamet. He's a genius writer. We're going to talk with him. He's got a new book out. And also he went to war. Well, he had some harsh words for progressives. And I think with all the talk of toxic masculinity and Democrats, now they've got the findings of their studies on dudes, by the way. We're going to share that coming up. I think Mamet culturally is a guy who really gets he gets dudes. I mean, that's kind of what his writing is a lot. A lot of it's about. So we're going to talk about that and more coming up. Stick with us. Think about the last movie that you saw that inspired you and kept you thinking long after the credits rolled. Movies have the power to change individuals, communities, and culture. And that's why I'm telling you about Angel Studios. This is the studio that had the courage to bring the world the sound of freedom. So how can you be part of it? Well, you can join the Angel Guild. King of Kings, an animated story about the life of Jesus, is now streaming on the Angel app. And when you watch King of Kings, it's going to move you. It's beautiful, it's powerful, and it's unlike anything else that's out there. It opened first on April 11th and broke records and earned an A-plus cinema score. So as a premium Guild member, you can watch King of Kings and access fan-curated films and receive two free tickets to every theatrical release. And the best part is that you are part of deciding what stories get told next. Experience the power of King of Kings, a film that's moving hearts and inspiring faith. Visit angel.com slash Dana to watch now and be part of this life-changing movement by becoming a guild member. That's angel.com slash Dana.
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And we all know one thing. Donald Trump is just lying about the bill. Lying about the bill. Why is he bent over like a cocktail shrimp? Here's the we are all going to die act.
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I'm too tired for this. It's Wednesday. Weather's bad. Sinus problems. To just not dealing with Chuck Schumer. First off, he's bent over like a Warner Brothers character, like a vaudeville villain. Why? Number two, they spent money. That's taxpayer money that they spent to print that stupid little thing up. And number three, I think it's a trash bill, but it's not the we're going to die act. Only will Democrats spend not bleeding the public dry of their hard earned dollars as death like for them. This is so stupid. I mean, this is your guy's fault. You guys spent us all into oblivion. And you've got some Republicans in Congress that they want to continue it. Good night. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. And we are at the top of the second hour here getting into all of this stuff. There's two things that are happening. You have the rescissions package that POTUS is proposing. And it's a small like nine something billion dollar rescissions package to get some to get some things back from NPR and some of the other stuff. As you guys know, we talked about the Impoundment Act and all that yesterday. I don't want to get like so into the weeds that you guys just die. I don't want it to feel like, you know, a college class. But they're there. My whole complaint about it is that. It feels like that. And you're just simply trying to understand how your government is spending your money. And that is what angers me, that we have to go through all of this labyrinth of ridiculous political reasoning to arrive at a conclusion. And it's so incredibly frustrating. And I feel your frustration about all of it. But this the rescissions package, I think I don't have an objection to the rescissions package. I don't have an objection to what we talked about yesterday with the pocket rescission strategy. My issue is with this big, beautiful bill and that not enough was done. I think that they really played it very I'm not I'm not saying conservatively as an American political conservative. I mean, in terms of taking risks, they played it super conservative with this bill. And they fudged some CBO math. And I was talking to you last hour about how I don't appreciate this little Mott Bailey that they're doing as though they're trying to ignore the fact. I feel like they're trying to dodge the question of tax cuts. Why are they not permanent? Because no, not all of them are. And I've written about it. I've highlighted the portions of the bill that stipulate such. And they keep arguing that really, I think the only person that has brought this up, and I understand Rand Paul's remarks on this, he's talking about the additions to the deficit from this. And of course, it raises the debt ceiling, which I am completely against because it's just fiscally irresponsible. And it signals that they have no interest. And really, and I'm tired of the phrase clawing back. They have really no interest to stop a lot of the spending. That's why they want to raise the debt ceiling. But this idea that the tax cuts are adding to the deficit, I don't believe tax cuts cost. It's the spending that's adding to it. And there's not a Republican that's saying that tax cuts are adding to the deficit. If anything, I've been seeing people ask, why are they not made permanent? Why are we calling an extension of a status quo that was established in 2017 and expires on January 1st? Why are we saying presenting that as an additional cut? Because that's what Republicans were doing in the first place. And now you've had to have some people come back like Russ Fott. say, well, you know, it's not, I mean, it's not, it's an extension. It's, you know, it's of what was in 2017, but not all of the 2017 tax cuts are still being made permanent. Only some of it is not all of it is. And so you even have to be careful and how you present that because to just to say universally, that all of the 2017 tax cuts are being made permanent is not true. It's just not supported by the language of the bill, which I've read and I've highlighted over at my Substack chapter and verse, which is not behind a firewall. And you can read that post and I've shared it already. So it's it's a I really feel like there's a lot of bait and switch here. Oh, my gosh. And then the debt ceiling. And then you have this weird, questionable thing with regards to states and regulating AI. But are we all going to die? No, we're not all going to die. That's what Democrats are telling you when they can't get more of your money. You're killing them. They're vampires. They need more of your money to survive. You're killing them. We're like the modern day fiscal Van Helsings, I guess. I don't know. It's just so asinine. I'm so tired of this. I'm so tired of the drama and hyperbole from these people. But I mean, it's to be expected. I want to have one more. Let's see. This is so audio somebody to Ron Johnson. So he's one of them speaking in favor of Elon Musk. And he's also one of them. He's really mad about the debt ceiling. If you want to know Ron Johnson's big thing. And by the way, yes, you can. There's ways to go about this without raising the debt ceiling. But this is what he says. Audio somebody to give you does what Elon said.
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Give you. additional kind of help in your quest on this.
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Yeah, it certainly bolsters our case. He was in the inside. He showed us with President Trump how to do this, you know, contract by contract, line by line. We have to do that forensic audit. We don't take the time. Again, we exempt most programs, focus on a couple, tweak and get a CBO score. It's really out of context. I mean, the context is all about $22 trillion in expected deficit. And by the way, that counts about $4 trillion in tax increase, which I don't want to incur. But if we don't incur that, you got to make up for about $4 trillion in revenue.
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Now, one of the things by not reducing spending, you're giving Democrats the ability to say that tax cuts cost. I've been saying this since 2017. And I said Republicans are going to find because Republicans didn't stop spending in 2017. They kept spending. And then they had tax cuts also. I don't believe tax cuts cost. They shouldn't because it's your money. It's our money. But the way that Democrats put it is that, oh, well, they do cost. So we're going to have to raise them to offset the cuts that everybody has been getting because heaven forbid they stop spending. And so, I mean, he makes. That does make sense. I mean, it makes all the sense in the world. So I don't know. I mean, the CBO, we talked about the CBO scoring yesterday. The rescissions package, like I said, I'm totally for the rescissions package. I'm for the pocket rescission. I'm for anything that allows us to cut back and cancel some of the funds here. But I'm telling you, it's... this isn't the best that we could do. And I think that if we had a stronger speaker, we probably could have done more. But that's the way it is. I wanted to switch to talk about immigration here. Audio Sunbyte 9. Hakeem Jeffries, if you want to know why ICE has to wear masks, Hakeem Jeffries explains it right here. Listen.
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Every single ICE agent who's engaged in this aggressive overreach and are trying to hide their identities from the American people will be unsuccessful in doing that. This is America. This is not the Soviet Union. We're not behind the Iron Curtain. This is not the 1930s. And every single one of them, no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes, will of course be identified. That, in fact, is the law.
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Well, cartels have been threatening to kill their families. I don't know. I guess that's something that he's missed in all of this. They've been threatening to kill them, kill their families. And why are we targeting American citizens who are serving in Border Patrol as they are trying to detain and deport people who enter the country illegally that are not citizens? See, it doesn't make any sense. This is just so asinine. Just so asinine. Come on. So... I mean, who would want to do that job? Honestly, who would want to do that job at this point? I don't I don't know at all. I think it's they're mad because they're trying to do some pretty asymmetrical things in order to get people. And this is audio. Somebody ate their utility workers. They're dressed up as utility workers for with Tucson electric power. Watch this.
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suspected were immigration enforcement officers. They say not only were they in unmarked vehicles, but they were asking unusual questions and claimed that they worked with Tucson Electric Power. Don't open the door. They don't have a warrant. This video shows two men looking for the man inside the home asking about a missed court date, but this neighbor jumped into action.
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And I was like, no, don't open the door. And then they're like, this is ice. And I said, yes, this is ice.
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Christine Carino says the incident started when they asked her questions while watering her yard, saying they were with Tucson Electric Power. She says that's when they started walking toward her neighbor's home.
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So the young boy. which is a stepson, allowed them to come in thinking they're from Tucson Electric Power. And you're lying. You are not in a uniform.
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But she quickly confronted the impersonators. Spokesperson with Tucson Electric Power told me their vehicles are always marked and they always identify themselves, which...
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So what are they doing? One of the whole. Well, that's illegal. It reminds me of that scene from Cops that I saw. And this was like some years ago. And two women were fighting in the street and one of them called the cops and the cops showed up and they were like, well, why are you all fighting? You can't be doing this. And she was like, well, she stole my crack rock. And the cops were like. You know that having crack is illegal, right? And she's like, yeah, but ain't stealing illegal? And I about died. I came back to life, died again. I feel like this is the same, right? Like, oh, these ICE people, they're pretending to be utility workers to catch people who entered illegally, right? Yeah, but isn't this illegal? It's like the same thing. It's the same thing. It doesn't make any sense. This is not how this operates. It's not how we operate this. We shouldn't be doing this. Listen to this. Audio soundbite seven. The Colorado, well, this is the, so the terrorist in Boulder, Colorado, who wanted to set Jewish people on fire, his family has been detained and they're going to be, they're going to be deported. I want you to listen to what the AG says about this. This is audio soundbite seven. Yes. Yes.
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The important part about due process is if someone has a basis to stay here, they have a legitimate claim for asylum that they're threatened, that's going to get evaluated by an independent fact finder. And that's how our immigration system should work. It should work based on the facts, based on the law. It shouldn't be targeting people in ways that are haphazard, in ways that deny due process, in ways that are based on fear, not based on facts. You mean like throwing fire? Are you saying this is haphazard or based on fear? guy's a doucher this is a procedure that's been used before an expedited procedure uh and the point is they may have a claim for asylum they may not that'll get decided by uh the process and that's how it so muhammad soliman the uh guy who tried to set jews on fire
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, yeah, he's trying. Well, he was he wanted to do more than that. He wanted to he wanted to carry out a full on like I think he wanted to massacre everyone that he could get to. He has a wife and five kids. Their visas have been revoked, according to court filings. They're being processed for expedited removal. Well, yeah. Sorry. You got to go. We have the right. No shoes, no shirt. If you're a terrorist, no service. Get out. We can do that here in the United States because we can. Any questions? And? So? I mean, that's kind of the downfall, the downside of your dad being, you know, a murderer. That's the downside of it. And apparently, I mean, he's also here illegally. I don't believe that the family's here illegally if the dad was here illegally. His visa expired in February of 23. Summer is all about making great memories. Backyard barbecues, road trips, lake days, even just relaxing in a hammock with a good book. spending time with friends and family, catching sunset views. But if you're living with pain, those future memories can be stolen from you. It's kind of hard to enjoy the simple moments when you're in pain. So here's a thought. Try Relief Factor. Relief Factor is a 100% drug-free daily supplement designed to help your body fight pain. It's a doctor-developed formula made with natural ingredients. And unlike pain meds that just mask it, Relief Factor works to reduce, even eliminate, your pain for good. So whether you're spending time at the lake or chasing your kids or grandkids or just enjoying a summer stroll, Relief Factor can help you feel better, move better, and do more of what you love. Reclaim your summer. Visit relieffactor.com or call 1-800-4-RELIEF to get the three-week quick start for just $19.95. That's 1-800-4-RELIEF. Fight pain naturally with Relief Factor.
SPEAKER 09 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 11 :
So apparently it's a killdozer day. Did you know that? Happy Killdozer Day. If you're unfamiliar with Killdozer Day, uh, Killdozer, this was, uh, a guy who was a repair shop owner. He, uh, had a modified bulldozer in Granbury, Colorado. This is in June 2004. And, uh, Marvin Hemare. And, uh, he was, uh, he didn't hurt. He, he, uh... Didn't hurt anybody during his rage except for himself, unfortunately. But he was upset because of he was a disgruntled resident because of a zoning dispute. And so he destroyed his store and like went on a rampage. And he had this bulldozer completely kitted out. There's no way you could get into it. This thing was reinforced six ways to Sunday. But he was known for the killdozer rampage. It was falling down come to life. Yeah. It literally was. I mean, it absolutely was. Let's see. Also, I thought that was a very important to share because I almost it was June 4th. So Kildore's the day is the date. Unfortunately, his rampage ended and he he committed suicide, which is sad. But yeah. Let's see here. A couple of other things while I wait for all of this to reload because it's so ridiculously slow. Yeah, I know. It's Safari. What are you going to do? I can't. U.S. is apparently going to offer Iran a nuclear deal allowing temporary uranium enrichment. We'll follow up with more about that. And Emmanuel Macron wax work was stolen from a Paris museum by Greenpeace activists. I don't know what they're gonna do with it, but I'm all for waiting to find out. They stole, it's gonna melt. Like if it's warm over there, the thing is gonna, don't you have to keep those things in like a temperature controlled room? Scientists were stunned as heat caught on camera bounced like sun. It was the first time apparently that it was ever captured. And they said that researchers at MIT used a new mapping technique to observe heat moving as a wave and bouncing back and forth. It's a wave-like manner and a phenomenon that they call second sound. And it's the first time that they were able to actually capture it. Walt Disney is going to live again as a robot. His granddaughter said he never wanted this. It's the saddest headline ever. They're going to try to make him a robot and his granddaughter says it's freaky. And she said that she had no it. He does not want this. He was just grandpa and he does not want something like this. I would agree, actually. Oh, wait, I'm going to go all the way back here. Texas woman dies from brain eating amoeba after using tainted RV water. I am really weird about water sources. Really weird. And she was using nasal. This is why you only use distilled water if you're going to do this stuff. She used RV water that was tainted where she was, I guess, doing like a nutty pot. And, yeah, she had neurological symptoms days after. And it was branding an amoeba and it killed her. It's horrible. Coming up. Men, Democrats, and David Mamet. Stay with us. So let's be real. Medical freedom isn't just a catchphrase. It's your right. Your health decisions belong to you and not the government, not Big Pharma, and definitely not some unelected bureaucrat. So that's why I'm all in on what All Family Pharmacy is doing. They're putting medical power back where it belongs, and that's in the hands of you, Americans. Through the end of June, they're making it even easier to take back control because when you control your health, you protect your family, your future, and your freedom. Get 20% off site-wide. No insurance? No problem. No insurance needed. And licensed doctors in all 50 states. You'll also receive fast shipping straight to your doorstep. This isn't just about convenience. It's also about freedom. You can get ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine. You can get methylene blue, emergency kits, antibiotics. Whatever you need to be prepared, proactive, and protected. So visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and use promo code Dana20 to get 20% off your order. That's allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana, code Dana20. Don't wait for permission. Own your health and take your freedom seriously.
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SPEAKER 11 :
Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the bottom of this second hour, and you can listen coast to coast terrestrially. You can also stream it, Channel 347, DirecTV. We're on Rumble. We're on X. We're on YouTube, Facebook, everywhere. One of the things that we've been talking about, and I always believe that, you know, obviously everything political stems from culture. And it's one of, I think, the best lessons that I learned from a very dear friend of mine, who is my one-time boss, the late Andrew Breitbart, who introduced me to the work, not the film work, but like the political thought work of my next guest. And I mean, just like a brand new world opened up. David Mamet doesn't really need an introduction. I mean, he is an American icon. And it's crazy because it's very weird to actually talk to somebody who has such a great body of work and who I think redefined how movies talk. And was such is such a great writer of dialogue and character development. And I mean, the scene, the Chicago way scene from The Untouchables is, I think, one of the standout scenes that really got me into that genre. And I've read almost everything that he's done. I think I've seen everything that he's done. And he's just a living legend. And he's also like minded. which is very weird. It's like finding a two-headed calf. He's like-minded. That doesn't happen very often. David Mamet now joins us via video. He's got a new book out, The Disenlightenment, Politics, Horror, and Entertainment, and also a new film that he did with Shia LaBeouf, Henry Johnson, which you can find on the website, henryjohnsonmovie.com, and he joins us now. David, it's such a pleasure to have you. I've always wanted to talk with you Thanks so much for giving us some of your time. Congrats on the new film. Congrats on the book. And thank you for setting all of these knuckleheads straight about everything. I've watched a number of your interviews. And I mean, I've been hearing about it, too, from other from other viewers and members of our audience who are watching you. And they're like, he gets it. And people feel so encouraged that someone who does what you do understands their perspective. So thank you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thank you so much. You know, I was thinking about you today, and I know you like beats, right? Yes, you know I do. Okay. And I wanted to say that what's missing when we say the Judeo-Christian civilization is no longer applicable, what's missing is shame. So you see a lot of things, people on the left, they're free to lie because they have no shame. And they have no shame before each other. They have no shame before God because they aren't grateful. So I wanted to tell you that the greatest aid to gratitude is beats. Do you know why? Why? Okay, I love beets. I know you love beets. You so love super beets. So I was thinking, you know, you eat beets. I love them. Yum, yum, yum. You get up the next morning and you look, you're peeing. And oh my God, you see my urine is red. I'm pissing blood. So the first thing you think is, oh my God, so soon, so soon. Well, I guess that's the thing. Then you think, who's going to get my pocket knife collection? And then you think, I hope my wife doesn't marry a lawyer if she does. Well, shame on her. And then you remember that you ate beets and you say, my God, thank you. I'm not actually dying. I have another day. It's a gift. So I wanted to thank you for promoting the religiosity of the gratitude of beets.
SPEAKER 11 :
It is my pleasure. And it's it's I think it's more pleasurable than asparagus. So you're welcome. You're welcome on that. I wanted I wanted to ask you because you've I think that you get the I mean, obviously, because, you know, you're a man. I mean, I you get the psyche of men and you you get the psyche of male characters. And I think you better than anyone can kind of really see into that. And I bring this up because, as you know, and you've talked about this a little bit, Democrats are, you know, fellow Americans on the other side of the aisle. They actually spent 20 something million dollars to study men, to try to figure out where they went wrong with men this last election. They're trying to understand what the disconnect is. What do you think the disconnect is with the left? I don't think they need to spend that on it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, you know, Schiller, not the philosopher, my oculist, he said, with stupidity, even the gods struggle in vain. That's the one thing I know that Schiller said. It's so true. If someone, you know, there's two phrases that everyone's using on the left now, double down and die on this hill. So it's all about doubling down. So if you're stupid, if you've done something stupid, as I certainly have, I try to do it, you know, As little as possible, when I do it again every day, wisdom comes from being able to step back and say, you know what, that was stupid. The problem with the left is that they've plucked themselves into a corner. Because if they say of any of these absurd, blasphemous, horrendous, savage ideas that they've doubled down on, Their life is over, as far as they know it, because they're going to lose their spouse, they're going to lose their kids in their head, they're going to lose their job, they're going to lose their community. So they have to keep doubling down. And that's why, for example, as it becomes clearer and clearer that climate change is a hoax, they've doubled down on anti-Semitism. Because rather than saying, wait a second, let's stop, right, let's go down to the kitchen table and see what's actually happening, they have to reinforce their... their stupidity to make sure they're all on the same page, because that's what happens in a totalitarian regime.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, yes, that's true. That's absolutely true. The phrase toxic masculinity, I think, had contributed a lot to that. This idea that men couldn't be men anymore and that men, especially like some of the characters that you've written, that those men are somehow anachronistic with our times today, that they're out of vogue, that these men don't, there's no place in society for manly men anymore. But I don't see that. I don't, I, I don't see that. And I feel like that's do you think that the pendulum is swinging the other way? Because it seems like for so long men have been under attack. They've been, I think, discredited, disenfranchised, however you want to put it. And now I feel like Democrats in the left, they sort of realize that they have played the wrong hand. Are we are is that pendulum going to swing back? Are we going to have like a reset where things feel a little bit more? I don't know the best way to say it. Normal. You do normal. Correct. How would you how do you view that? Are we going to get back to the way that it was like the 80s and the 90s when things seem saner?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they were saner. We're in the midst of a huge uptick. cultural upheaval, and I think that it's largely formed, it's caused by a huge shift in technology. Just as the culture started to fall apart in the late 18th and early 19th century because of the Industrial Revolution, everything changed. So things have changed yet again now because of the computer revolution. Everything has changed. So rather than saying, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, what's changed? What can I do about it? Which Elon is saying, and Trump is saying, and the Republicans are saying, people are saying, no, no, no, no, no, no. Something is terribly wrong, but it's not that the culture has changed. It's very difficult to look at that. It's saying, you know what it is? Men are toxically masculine. People are born into the wrong sex. Jews are the devil, and the earth is burning. And P.S., any man who wants to compete in women's sports. So it's chicken little, whoever's screaming the loudest, because who is capable of stepping back and understanding the time in which he or she lives? The answer is nobody. And that's why we have laws, right? Because if not, we're going to resort to our feelings and our feeling absent laws and absent the idea that we can... rely on the government, this panic. Look, for the first time in many years, I'm not walking around, and a lot of people aren't walking around saying, oh my God, if I say the wrong thing, someone's going to throw me in jail. So for the first time, certainly in the last four years, I and everybody on the right is saying, I believe in government, which is not to say so much that I believe in Trump, although it may, but saying I believe in law, and I believe that the law is going to exist to protect the citizen.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that's the nature of a republic, right? Everyone's equal before the law and underneath the law when they when they violate it. I mean, we're not it's not a rejection of government so much as it's an embrace embracing fair and equally apportioned government, I guess, for the lack of a better way to say it. think that that makes sense. I know that you're a fan of POTUS and you identify basically as, I think, a conservative is what I read, which you like to conserve the individual, which I think is the best way to put it. That's how I've always viewed it. How do you view conservatism in modern times now? I mean, it feels like it's the common sense place to be. It's like not the common sense party, but it's like the common sense ideology. And it seems like people who have never really maybe identified as that before, maybe they were classical liberals, maybe they thought they were kind of more moderate progressives. Now they now they think this is so much common sense due to so much of what you said. So now they are they're embracing the word conservative, conservative, conserving common sense, conserving individualism.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I think so. You know, it says in the Talmud, where there is no bread, there is no law, and where there is no law, there is no bread. So the question of conservatism, constitutional conservatives, is not what is the right thing to do. Because a lot of times we don't look good because we all have passions, right? We want to belong. We want to feel good about ourselves. And so this idea of classical liberalism, what is the right thing to do? The idea of social justice, which has to mean injustice, right? Because it's based on a feeling. The correct question is not what is the right thing to do, but the correct question is what is the law? Now, can the law be wrong? Sure. We have a law which enables us to change that. Additionally, that against my people the Jews say, the prophet Micah says, Micah says, what are you supposed to do? Do justice, love mercy, and be humble before god so that's the correct answer to me and as conservatism absolutely do justice but you got to love mercy too right but they're two different verbs aren't they yes yeah exactly and they're not and they're not entirely mutually exclusive either i think we're talking to david
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, exactly. Talking to David Mamet, legendary screenwriter, author. He's got a new film out as well. Henry Johnson with Shia LaBeouf. And you can see it at Henry Johnson movie dot com. You mentioned to anti-Semitism. This is this is an insane thing here. It's twenty twenty five. And I honestly I hear from my kids. I have a son in college and he says that he's noticed an increase in anti-Semitism with his generation. That talk to me a little bit about that, because, again, it's 2025. I don't know if we're just so far removed from the greatest generation that we're like forgetting the horror. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around why this is like we had a guy who tried to set people on fire in Boulder. And then there was I mean, there's like been at least like three, I think, attacks. There was a couple that was shot at in D.C. What are your thoughts on this? And why how are we in this? How is this happening in 2025?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it's happening for a bunch of reasons. One is that my people, the Jews, have not had a state for 2,000 years. We've been at the best guests and at the worst slaves and always at the mercy of whatever country we were living in because we were never actually citizens. So we got into the habit of keeping our head down and saying, I can put up with it, I can put up with it. Eventually they're going to kill some of us, blah, blah, blah. Finally, the state of Israel comes along with some people say, you know, that's enough, we have to have our own state. As Theodor Herzl said, when he was looking at Dreyfus, who was being maligned as a traitor in France in 1895, he was a Jewish officer, and Herzl was a very famous and successful Austrian playwright and assimilated Jew, and he went to see Dreyfus being disgraced for a false accusation of treason, but the people weren't yelling death to the traitor, they were yelling death to the Jews. Herzl sat down, he said, oh my God, they're going to kill us all. We need our own country, right? And by the grace of God, 50 years later, we have our own country. But a lot of the world still doesn't, it's, listen, it's the go-to thing. It's a guy loses his job, he comes home, he beats his wife, okay? She says, if you do that again, I'm going to leave. He comes back again. He beats her again. She goes to the cops. The cops say, wait a second, be a good wife. This doesn't happen anymore. But that's a traditional unfortunate outbreak of people who are defenseless. So. To say of the Jews, what are you doing? To bring it about, it's the same thing as saying of the wife, well, what was the expression on your face when your husband came home? Now, the reason anti-Semitism is breaking out, again, is for two reasons. One is that the society is... reinventing itself because of this. The computers upended everything. How we date, whom we marry, how we work, how we talk to each other, what we see, where we get our news. It upsets everything. So people are upset. So what are they going to do? Just like the guy who comes home when he kicks his wife, he is going to go to the most proximate permitted victim. which is for 2,000 years been to Jews. There's a second thing, and I think that we understand that when we look at Greta Thunberg, right? Here's a little girl, God bless her, you know, she's a professional truant. She says, the earth is burning, run for your life. The earth is burning, run for your life. Okay, give her the Nobel Peace Prize, you know, and pat her on the back and put her on the cover of Time magazine. Now, it turns out that the left gets tired of this fiction, right? And it turns out the earth is not burning and the polar ice caps are increasing. So now what? What does Greta Thunberg do? She gets on a ship to go to Gaza. What in the hell does this little girl who's never gone to school in her life, God bless her, all of a sudden, in addition to knowing about the earth is burning, she knows about what's happening in Israel. She just ran out of steam, so she cross-decked herself. So that's what's happening. Those are the two things that lead to anti-Semitism. It's a proximate victim, and the left is always moving from one place. a horror to the next. It's COVID. It's the Y2K thing. It's Islamophobia. It's the earth is burning. And now it's the Jews. Okay. What's new?
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, I think that's it entirely. I wish that we had more time because I feel like it's like drinking from a fire hose. And I love the points that you make. And I think that you're such a great mind, especially... And not just conservative ideology, but political ideology. The new book is The Disenlightenment. The Secret Knowledge was the first book of yours that I read. Then I went back out of order and read all your other ones. But Andrew Breitbart gave me that book. And that's how that's how I was introduced to all of your conservative thought was that The Secret Knowledge, David Mamet and the new film. Henry Johnson with Shia LaBeouf, henryjohnsonmovie.com. You can go get it, watch it right on the site. David, it's such a pleasure. I would love to have you back. I'd love to talk with you for a longer period and do like a sit down. I think that you just have so much to say and I'm all here for it. So thank you so much for your time. You've been so generous today.
SPEAKER 14 :
So anytime at all, it's a real pleasure talking to you, Dana.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you so much. Thanks so much. God bless. David Mamet, everyone. And make sure you go see the new film, Henry Johnson, and get the new book, which is fabulous, by the way. We have more in store as we wrap up this second hour. Stick with us. Third hour on the way. Hey, folks. So I want to share something important that every American should be aware of. We're seeing a lot of economic uncertainty right now. You have the national debt rising, global trade tensions impacting markets and tariffs with higher prices on the stuff that everybody uses every day. It's not about panic. It's about preparation. So this is why I partnered with Gold Co., the top rated precious metals company, to help you take a step towards protecting your financial future. Smart investors look to hard assets like gold and silver to help weather the storm. It's a strategy that's been used for generations. And right now you can get a free 2025 gold and silver kit that breaks it all down for you. And if you qualify, you could receive unlimited bonus silver, real silver matched to your account with no taxes or penalties. It's a smart move that could help you feel more secure with what lies ahead. Visit danalikesgold.com to get started. That's danalikesgold.com and move forward with confidence.
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It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, so this whole everything about this story is nuts, including the guy's mugshot. Is that a teardrop? I think so. Does that mean he killed a man in prison? I think so. Wait, does the teardrop mean you killed someone in prison or just killed somebody?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it's just killed somebody, period.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, I didn't know. Okay, so... A Florida man, okay, all of this happened at once. A Florida man was busted for snacking on unpaid blueberries and also carrying 11 grams of fentanyl, and he's got the tear tattoo. Okay, is it illegal? Okay, the fentanyl, totally illegal. Yes, we agree. But if you're in a grocery store and you're getting blueberries and you're going to pay for them, if you wanted a snack on some, can you?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but we're assuming that he had the package and was walking towards the damn checkout.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, you know. Do you? Well, I don't know. If I didn't know about the fentanyl, you know.
SPEAKER 09 :
I would imagine it's like he walked by the produce section, grabbed a handful of blueberries, ate them while he's walking towards, you know, the clothing section.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because he, so he's charged, he's getting charged because he didn't pay. And apparently also for the fentanyl, because he had 11 grams of fentanyl. And apparently that's trafficking amounts. So that's a big bad thing. But I'm just asking about the blueberries for all the rest of us. You know, that's what I wanted to know. It's short, went long last segment, but it was worth it. Third hour on the way. Hey, folks. So I want to share something important that every American should be aware of. We're seeing a lot of economic uncertainty right now. You have the national debt rising, global trade tensions impacting markets and tariffs with higher prices on the stuff that everybody uses every day. It's not about panic. It's about preparation. So this is why I partnered with Gold Co., the top rated precious metals company, to help you take a step towards protecting your financial future. Smart investors look to hard assets like gold and silver to help weather the storm. It's a strategy that's been used for generations. And right now you can get a free 2025 gold and silver kit that breaks it all down for you. And if you qualify, you could receive unlimited bonus silver, real silver matched to your account with no taxes or penalties. It's a smart move that could help you feel more secure with what lies ahead. Visit DanaLikesGold.com to get started. That's DanaLikesGold.com and move forward with confidence.
SPEAKER 04 :
Come to the table. Let's look at the numbers. If I'm wrong, prove that I'm wrong. But let's do it with respect, but mainly respect for our children and grandchildren. This is immoral what us old farts are doing to our young people. This is grotesque what we're doing. We need to own up to that. This is our moment. I can't accept this scenario. I can't accept it, so I won't vote for it unless we are serious about fixing it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hmm. So that's Senator Ron Johnson, who is very critical of that bill, which is one of the ongoing things that we're talking about. Not to drag you in the weeds, but this is your money. I mean, I want you guys to realize that, you know, I may it may seem like I'm I keep going back. Well, you know, I'm always going to revisit it every hour, but. I'm focusing a lot on this, but that's because it's literally going to determine how much you are paying in taxes, how much you have for child tax deductions, business deduct. I mean, I could go on and on. It affects all of that stuff. And. My two biggest criticisms of it, obviously, are the raising of the debt ceiling, but then also that these cuts are temporary. And we're going to play this Russ Vaught audio here in a minute, because I feel like... You know, he talks about a gimmick that is, you know, that they're using as like a budgetary trick. But it's also the gimmick to to cap tax cuts at 20 for four years. So capping them at four years and then ending them in 2028 so that you can adjust. You can you can tweak the CBO score a little bit, because what I tell the CBO is. Congressional budgetary office is going to compute exactly what you give it. It's chaotic neutral. It's going to compute, spit out whatever you feed it. It's like AI, right? You can train AI. You can prompt it to kind of give you something and have it stained with a certain ideological bent or whatever. It's only going to tabulate exactly what you give it, and it's not going to look into the whys. And that's important context to have. So first off, welcome back to the program. Dana Lashley with you. We're at the top of this third hour. So this was Russ Vought who was talking about this. And he was saying that it doesn't hurt the debt. It doesn't increase it. You're raising the debt ceiling. I disagree with him on this. I don't dislike Russ Vought. I just think he's trying to sell it. This is his remarks on this. Listen.
SPEAKER 17 :
This bill doesn't increase the deficit or hurt the debt. In fact, it lowers it by $1.4 trillion. What some of the watchdogs have done is they have used CBO's artificial baseline, which doesn't allow and assume that current tax law will be extended. because of sunsets that are in the law. They don't do that with suspending. It is totally something that would be foreign to any common sense person who comes and looks at how we budget in this country. And so when you assume the extension of the president's tax relief from 2017, this budget, or this bill, And it's really a reconciliation bill. It's not really a budget bill. It is using a budget process. This is a $1.4 trillion over 10 years deficit reduction. It's $1.6 trillion in mandatory savings. Obviously, we have a little bit of spending in there as well for border and defense. A little bit. But that is the biggest mandatory savings package that we have seen since 1997. It's very historic.
SPEAKER 11 :
So him talking about a reduction of the deficit, I mean, what you're he's saying that it's a gimmick and that it doesn't use a realistic policy baseline. Now, just so you know, I mean, the CBO is never again. It always remember, keep in context that it spits back whatever you feed it. They've never estimated growth accurately ever. No, not ever. I don't think so. I'm like going back, not with Obamacare, not with the Bush tax cuts, not with literally nothing. There's actually nothing that they've that it's because everybody always they always they always fake it. They always it's again, the bias is how it's presented to the CBO, not what the CBO says. what it tabulates. Does that make sense? I mean, I think that's the best way to compare it, Cain, right? To AI. Like, however you train AI. That's with the CBO. So it's like a... Yeah, kind of.
SPEAKER 09 :
You're right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And the reason I bring that up is because a lot of people are like, well, the CBO says this. Like, it's some kind of major authority.
SPEAKER 09 :
You're right. It's data in, data out.
SPEAKER 11 :
Exactly. And there's no context like, well, why? Like, so for instance, with this bill... And I, to double-check myself, because I don't trust AI at all. Sorry, I don't. It's going to kill us. Roomba's going to eat my hair, you know. AI's going to come in our house, kill us as we sleep. So I don't mess with the AI, okay? Okay. But one of the I did check with members of Congress and I and not like in an accusatory way. I'm like, hey, I want you to double check me on this. Is this correct? You know, my what I'm what I'm asserting here, because my whole point has been, yes, the debt ceiling, but not all of these tax cuts are permanent. And so as a way to make it look like. And I'm going to say the cost, even though I think that's a stupid way to define it. But that's how it's being defined by the media and even both parties. The cost of the bill to get it under a certain level. What they did is they capped the tax cuts at four years. So and I'm pulling up. Bear with me because I have this again. It's all I have it all in slack. I wrote all of this out in sub stack on my sub stack over at chapter and verse. And it's all linked and you can go deep dive into it. But my whole point in this is that they capped the tax cuts at a certain level so that they could get it in under a certain cost because The way that it works is they will view that as a cost in addition to government spending. It doesn't really differentiate. It just looks at money coming in, money coming out. Even though we all know that tax cuts, that's not what costs, it's government spending. But the baseline, I mean... for not reusing, I think what he said was what a realistic policy baseline or however you put it. Uh, the CBO was saying that they were going, it, it, it can add a trillions to the deficit over a decade. And it, the problem is, is that what, what Congress fed it kind of contradicts what bought is saying here. And it's not the CBO saying it again, it's the data in data out. Um, uh, The savings that they're arguing, that's kind of a gimmick because they do budgetary tricks to cap stuff and sunset it in 27 or 28 or whatever in order to make it seem like this is actually costing less or adding less to the deficit. I mean, the bottom line is that the debt's going to grow. And that's what Massey and Rand Paul are replying to. They're not looking at like CBO stuff. They know how this stuff works. I mean, for crying out loud, Thomas Massey, God love him. I don't say this to be mean. He is honestly the biggest nerd I've ever met in my life. And I met some nerds. And he's real sweet, real nice, super smart. And again, that's not a pejorative. I think it's a very flattering term. He is a nerd. I mean, this guy is like an MIT guy. He's super smart. He probably has like a 10.0 GPA, I'm sure. I mean, this was the guy who himself was making those little debt tracker buttons and handing them out to people. And he's just he's very obsessed. He's very fiscal. He's a fiscal hawk. And Rand Paul is as well. They're not going off of the little gimmicks here and there. They're going off the real actual baseline. And they're not the only ones. And I think a lot there are too many people that in Congress that don't know this stuff. I think that you have a lot of people in Congress that get in and they rely on their staff to do it. And I say that because I know for a fact that there are members of Congress that there's They're good at fundraising and getting headlines, but they let their staff do most of the work. That's true. And I don't think that they really get a lot of it. And that's what Paul and Massey are reacting to, and that's what some of these other lawmakers are reacting to. But that's kind of the stickler for me. Now, you've got to separate that budget from the recisions, reconciliation from recisions. Recisions, I don't have an issue with, although I think we could probably go for a lot more. However... I want to go for a lot more. But what is that? What does that reality look like in the House? Because think about it. They're already struggling with just this. Think about how much we're complaining about this. It's not a win for us. And yet it's already so hard for them to get this across the line. Party line votes. It's because they don't they don't have the wherewithal to do it. And it's not even really Democrats so much. There's it's a lot of Republicans. There are a lot of Republicans that spend as much, if not more than Democrats. I mean, that's not a lot, but there are some. And can you know that? I mean, there were some there's some big spenders that are there. So, I mean, we're going to talk a little bit more about this here coming up because there's one portion of the bill we've talked about that gets into AI and state sovereignty as it pertains to regulating AI. And I get a little weird about it. I get a little weird about some of that because I feel while on one hand I understand that Would it create a mess if states were all dealing with AI differently? Do you think it would, Cain? Would it create this major spider web mess if every state is dealing with the regulation of AI differently? Do you think that's why they were trying to say for 10 years states can't do it?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think that they're probably trying to make government more efficient by using AI. And so what they don't want to do is have states regulate it so that it affects how federally they have the relationship with the states. So I think that's part of it. I don't really know the underlying motivation because it might be more nefarious than that because on the surface, it kind of looks like it.
SPEAKER 11 :
I know. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's something else. So we're, like I said, we're going to dive more, a little bit deeper into that here coming up. I also, oh, let me pull everything up. We also have to get into this issue. Hold up. Where's this at? We were talking about the dudes. Can we get into... I have a handful of things here. Bear with me because I'm pulling it up right now. I had a couple of things. First and foremost, this is... Is this the right link? I'm thinking it is. Yeah. Ooh. So this is GOP stuff. So in Texas... some of the initial polling coming out from Paxton and Cornyn is that Cornyn is trailing Paxton by 22 points. I had a text conversation with an operative friend who does a lot of stuff in Austin, Texas. And they were saying that, yeah, Cornyn is in a tough spot. And also apparently Paxton is scooping up a lot of some of these big dollar donors that Cornyn used to rely on. And I don't think that Cornyn's... My friend was saying that they don't think that Cornyn's people correctly anticipated just how much Paxton would peel off of his support and donors. So that's a big thing. There's this big fight over the donors. In fact... It was the Senate Leadership Fund that was one of the PACs that was backing Cornyn. They had their own survey, and this was from April 27th to May 1st. So he was down 16 points in their survey. This newest survey shows Cornyn, and this is an independent poll. This came out literally just the other day. That shows him down 22 points. And these are the first one particularly was Republican ran Republican. You know, they're going to want to really know the lay of the land. Bottom line is that Cornyn, even within the margin of error for both of these surveys, he is double digits behind Paxton right now. And that's pretty crazy. Only 27% of those surveyed wanted to see him reelected. 54% wanted somebody new. How long do you think Cornyn has been in office?
SPEAKER 09 :
I'd say 12.
SPEAKER 11 :
He was first in office in 2002. Oh my gosh. So 23 years? Yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's a long time.
SPEAKER 11 :
A long time. Now, Kornan said that the reason why Paxton looked like he was leading is he said, and I quote, primarily name identification. But then the independent entity that was doing the survey, only 7% of them hadn't heard of Kornan. Oh, gosh. Oh, man, dude. His campaign is ill-equipped to deal with us. They're ill-equipped to deal with us. We've got more on the way. We've got headlines coming up as we move. Our partners that help bring you the program, the folks over at Burna Gun. Now, I always believe in caring, and I have no problem using the lethal force to defend the life of my life or the life of my loved ones. That said, I also realize that there are some... realities that we have to live with municipal restrictions private property restrictions and you know you might have college kids that are too young to carry a handgun but they gotta they're living on their own far away from home and they want to be able to protect themselves if they're walking to their car or walk into their dorm or walk into the wherever they're they're staying out when they're on campus And so this is where Burna Gun comes in. They have different types. They have rifles. They have pistols. But for this purpose of self-defense, I think the SD and particularly their new CL, which is their compact launcher, and it's almost 40 percent smaller than their top selling model, the SD, also proudly made in the United States. I think these are what you need to look at. Now, if you're curious as to what they are, the burner gun shoots chemical irritant projectiles that can disable threats from up to 50 feet away. Regular stun guns have like one or two shots where you got five with this and you have different projectiles. You've got different accessories. But here's the big thing. There's no background checks. There's no waiting period. It doesn't care about gun-free zone signs. It's illegal in all 50 states. It can be shipped directly to your front door. It's accessible for everyone. And this is what it's about, giving yourself a line of defense, even when you have municipal and private property restrictions that want to make you defenseless. So visit Burna.com slash Dana. Check it out. The SD... And then the CL, the CL is the smaller version of the SD. Byrna.com slash Dana. And make sure you check them out. And look at all the accessories and the projectiles and, you know, everything. Byrna.com slash Dana. Byrna, ready when you are.
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SPEAKER 11 :
Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash here with you. We're at the bottom of this third hour and you can listen coast to coast on one of the markets terrestrially. We also have the stream channel 347 direct TV, Rumble and Facebook and X and. I don't know. We're everywhere. We're everywhere watching you. So it's good to be back with you. We've been talking about recisions, pocket recisions, the big, beautiful bill. And one aspect of it that seemed to sort of kind of slip under the radar, we were talking about it about a week or so ago, a couple weeks ago. And it has to do with... the regulation of ai so on like part of this in this bill there is uh a centralization of control of ai at the federal level integrating ai into all of these you know federal agencies etc but it bars from the way the bill reads currently uh states themselves from regulating ai and I'm trying to figure out why that is. Is that a thing that's supposed to be beneficial? Is it a thing that's not? And the reason I'm questioning whether or not it's beneficial is because for the past several years, our state AGs have really led the fight with a lot of the stuff against the Biden-Harris administration. And I'm just worried about how that would tie their hands. If you know, because, you know, Trump's at office in 28, what happens after that? This is a 10 year thing. What does that mean? So joining us to discuss this, he's got a little bit of expertise in this area. It is a very good friend of ours, Congressman Rich McCormick. He serves Georgia's seventh congressional district, and he's on a number of different committees, including the Cyber Information Technologies and Innovation subcommittees. So he's kind of an expert on this issue. And we're going to talk to him about the other stuff related to it as well. Representative McCormick, so good to see you. Thank you for joining us. I wanted to ask you, what are your thoughts about this this provision or this part of this bill? Is that is it a good thing or a bad thing? I'm just worried about tying up our state's ability to regulate this themselves. Or is this a concern about the uniformity of the way that I would be regulated? How do you interpret this?
SPEAKER 13 :
First of all, great to be on your show. Big fan, obviously. I'm really, you know you're in trouble when you turn to a Marine to ask about intelligence, but I've been reading up on this, talking to the experts about this. Literally, if you think about the most transformative technology in our lifetime, AI is it. And when you talk about interstate commerce and actually even international commerce, look no further than something that's going to be affected by every law we make. Now, I get it. I'm a states right guy. I totally want to see state rights dominate any sort of federal legislation. But it's separate in this case. When you talk about commerce, when you talk about, for example, the Internet, when it first came along, if we would have regulated state by state, it would have totally inhibited it from being what it is today. Same thing with AI. Once you get a bunch of states with different legislative efforts, it would cross-contaminate the whole process of international trade, of interstate trade, of its ability to actually transform and progress. We've become non-competitive with china most of all not to mention russia and iran and other countries that are trying to develop ai at a rapid pace also whenever you become non-uniform it slows the process down this is something that we fall behind on you get to realize 50 of all ai engineering happens in china right now for the entire world if we fall behind on this we're in trouble this will transform the landscape of economics and digital economy, as well as, don't forget, we're also competing with India. This would just really inhibit our process. If it's dangerous, we can do things at the federal level to help with that. And I think we've shown great bipartisanship in this one area because we understand its dangers and also its ability to transform the future.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I think that's a good point, too, because I think it's maybe the only singular area where Democrats and Republicans are like, we don't want Skynet. Let's not have Skynet come. And we don't want to we don't want to do that. And I, you know, I think it's a good point, too, because if it's about making things more efficient, which it seems like that's one of the reasons why they want to incorporate it at the federal level. But what is with the 10 year period? Is that just how much time they think that they're going to need for uniformity?
SPEAKER 13 :
I think once you get to 10 years, everybody's going to see the advantages of having no interstate interference, just like the internet. Nobody talks about it anymore on the internet. Because why? Because it's already fully developed and we kind of do our own thing, whether it be 5G or cable or whatever. We understand that whatever advances us quicker wins. And I think once you get past the 10-year period, people will accept that we don't need additional regulation. We have to have certain laws to make sure we don't have deep fakes or distort the truth, things like that. But I think we can universally agree on those truths. And we just faced this down in Georgia, as a matter of fact, where my state said, took my advice and he said, we cannot pass legislation that's going to make us non-competitive against other states or decrease our competitiveness internationally. And I think it's a good thing. I think within 10 years, people will be like, ah, this is the norm and we haven't seen really bad things. And if we do, we can react as a federal government.
SPEAKER 11 :
That was an important point that you just mentioned to like deep fakes and things like that. So for those because I think of like intellectual property and all that stuff. So for those existing like rights or legal concerns, it doesn't it doesn't necessarily negate that simply because it's not at a state level and it's at the federal level.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. And the one problem we always have is how fast we're going to move at the federal level. Yeah, that's always a problem. And I get it. But I think we universally as a people understand what's bad and what's good when it comes to the Internet, when it comes to AI and how it affects us. Nobody wants to see people deceived. And I remember when I was talking about climate change and I started referencing statistics, then all of a sudden disappeared off the Internet. because it supported my claims rather than my opponent's claims. That always concerns me. We want to make sure that people have access to the truth, to science, to peer-reviewed science specifically. So those are the kind of things we want to make sure that we regulate so that we're not deceived as a public, so we can have legitimate conversations and debate without it being a biased debate controlled by the government. That would be bad, and that's the one thing that concerns me, and we need to put guardrails on it.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I know if this comes back to the House, if it's not taken out in the Senate, if the Senate doesn't strip it out, I mean, I think what you can only... afford to lose in the House three votes. And I know that there's already one. I know Marjorie Taylor Greene has said that she's not going to support it if it's included in there. I don't know how she didn't catch it the first time. I mean, she was tweeting about the budget a couple of weeks ago and this thing was in there when everybody else was tweeting about it. That would have been the time to maybe act and try to fight it out of there if you didn't want it in there. Are you worried about is that is that big? Is that a big enough thing to to disrupt that and to cost those three votes? You think if it goes back to the House is still within it?
SPEAKER 13 :
But I hope that President Trump is paying attention. I think Elon is one of his advocates, and they get along well. But AI and tech people bend his ear all the time, and hopefully he can put leverage. I know that Marjorie is very sensitive to the president, and if the president says he wants it in there, it's going to remain in there. But I think it's good for our country. Without that provision, we become non-competitive. And I don't think that's good for anybody. So I'm not really sure what her objections are, other than maybe a states' rights issue. But like I said, I'm as big a states' rights issue as anybody. But in this case, it would actually hurt all states, including the United States, moving forward.
SPEAKER 11 :
And that's a huge point that I actually have not heard made in defense of it being in the bill the way that it is. The fact that China it would China would. And, you know, India is kind of we have a weird sort of ally ish relationship with India. I prefer them over China, obviously. But to have China lead on AI and development. I mean, just, you know, if you could just, you know, awaken people a little bit to the catastrophic consequence of something like that occurring.
SPEAKER 13 :
There's nothing more transformative in the world society, in economics, in our ability to achieve great things in the future. If we're not leading the way in AI, we will not lead the way in economy, in military, in everything that's important to us, health care, you name it. Why would we ever put ourselves at a disadvantage against China on something that's easy to avoid, which has no real clear benefits of doing it any other way other than to centralize this ability to free us up from overregulating? And you talk about regulation. Regulation is the absolute bane of our existence as conservatives. Why would any conservative want 50 different states with 50 different rules that inhibit us through regulation or taxation and make us non-competitive? That doesn't make sense to me as a conservative.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, the taxation part. That's another aspect of it. I didn't think we're talking with Congressman Rich McCormick out of Georgia. So this I know we have the rescissions. We have pocket rescissions possibly. And then the one big, beautiful bill, the rescissions package that's been proposed so far. I mean, it's only nine something billion dollars and only in D.C. Can you talk about that? Like that's a tiny amount. I know that sounds crazy to say. A lot under what Doge was recommending to say for the year. I think theirs was $170 billion. But in the rescissions package thus far, I don't see anything other than the amount. I don't really see anything objectionable. How do you think Congress is going to handle the rescissions package? Does that seem like something that request from POTUS that you're going to grant?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I saw a lot of liberals, sorry, I should say moderates, at a meeting today with Dan Bishop, and they didn't really seem to object to the things that we're saying. They're non-controversial issues. It's the tip of the iceberg, though. $9 billion is nothing. When we consider we're going to increase our spending, our deficit spending, by $416 billion next year. That's not a responsible bill. I know people are getting on Elon for trashing this bill. And I know I kind of voted for it with my nose held because I understand it's not a good bill for containing our debt and deficit. But it's the best thing we can get past this time. I'm hoping the Senate will do their part, give it back to us as a more responsible, and then rescissions can make it even better. But if we don't do something, you can see the future is not right for our debt.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And the debt ceiling and then the tax cuts, because I know that there's been a lot with Russ Vought and I know Stephen Miller and other people have been debating it. I think those have been my some of my biggest issues is the debt ceiling being raised because that indicates to me that some of the moderate Republicans have no plans whatsoever to cease spending. But not all the tax cuts are permanent, like the no tax on tips. I feel like, you know, some people. Maybe the administration needs to be a little bit more transparent because all that stuff sunsets in 2028. And Congressman, I don't have to tell you how tough it can be going into an election year. And you're trying to tell you're trying to deliver on tax cuts when your opposing party tries to talk to everybody and act like they cost. That's going to be a little bit of a hard sell. And I don't know if that's going to be something that can be kind of clawed back or accomplished before 28 when it sunsets.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, not a good timing for us. I think that the promises, first of all, in a 10-year budget are silly. I don't even know why we have a 10-year budget. Once you get to four years and all of a sudden it becomes neutral, deficit neutral, that's two Congresses and a president from now. Let's talk about this Congress. That's about the only thing we control realistically. But when you talk about things that sunset. Yeah. If it's a good idea, don't make it sunset. I know it's about CBOs going and parlor tricks and they say, oh, then that tax that tax break goes away. And look, now it's deficit neutral. Well, that's assuming we even have the growth. At that point, we could actually go into a more negative decline when you increase taxes and the economy slows. uh if it's a good idea do it stop trying to worry about perceptions worry about realities and explain to the public take the time to actually explain why it's good we all know that that 21 corporate tax rate seems to be the sweet spot on the laffer curve if you increase that you actually decrease productivity you decrease the number of jobs you decrease the amount of revenue anything lower than that you don't bring in the revenue to begin with so we kind of find that we found that sweet spot we should stick with it Make it permanent and see how we do. And I think we've shown that it works well for us.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, we're going to watch and see what the Senate hands back, hands back to you all and see what's kept in and what isn't. But, you know, that's if we're all still alive, because, you know, Senator Chuck Schumer, Representative McCormick said we're all going to die. And I was already dead because of net neutrality. So I don't know what he's talking about.
SPEAKER 13 :
I thought I was Dr. Doom. When he started talking like that, that's a bleak future. Might as well resign and go on vacation, Schumer, because we'd all do a lot better at that point.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, there you go. Congressman Rich McCormick out of the great state of Georgia. Good to see you. I'd love to have you back. Thanks so much for your insight on this. It is greatly appreciated. We'll talk again soon.
SPEAKER 07 :
Look forward to it. God bless.
SPEAKER 11 :
Take care.
SPEAKER 07 :
And we all know one thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Donald Trump is just lying about the bill. Lying about the bill. Well, here's the we are all going to die.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, it's called the well. We're all going to die. And we're already dead, sir. We got dead. Health care dead at us. And then the net neutrality that dead at us. We got dead. We're all dead already. How many times are you going to kill us?
SPEAKER 09 :
So Trump lies, but it's we're all going to die is the truth? Yeah, apparently.
SPEAKER 11 :
Is that what we're supposed to believe? Well, it's about damn time. By smod? Like, you know, come on. Oh, welcome back to the show. So I wanted to tell you really quickly, you know, I'm like really crazy with sponsorships and stuff. I have a post up just for some transparency. We had like I like Americans for Prosperity. I think it's a great group. And I think that they've done a lot of good in the past. And I think that they still do a lot of good. And they I know that they're doing an ad campaign and they had reached out to our show as well to have us read live copy. And it's, it was very kind of vague ish wording. And it said, like, you know, last November, 77 million Americans, blah, blah, blah, Trump economy, you know, we need no new taxes, make tax cuts permanent, we need to make the tax cuts and jobs x permanent, etc. And then that you would fill in the URL. And the missing element for me wasn't the URL, but it was some of the language. It was like the how, like, how were they planning to make the tax cuts and jobs act permanent well what it is is it's they're actually supporting the big beautiful bill which i don't support uh you know i like the rescissions packages but i don't think that this goes far enough because the tax cuts actually are still temporary and i've written about it and i've discussed it on air a lot and i'm like i can't they wanted a quick turnaround they wanted me to get back this morning and say if i was going to read this copy or not I'm like, I can't read this copy. I can't be critical of the bill and then take money for reading copy where I'm encouraging people to go out and support it. And I've always been... And I still love them and they're probably going to get mad at me. I still love the group because, look, they came in clutch for Tea Party. You would not have had the 2010 revolution without Americans for Prosperity. And I would argue you really wouldn't have Trump without them supporting grassroots in the early stages. That said, you know, I... For the purpose of transparency, because you are going to hear these ads being read by others and people posting themes about it, I just wanted you to be aware of it because I think it's important to disclose stuff like this, especially when a lot of the online activism online is very much financed. And I'm happy to partner with entities when goals align. I'm a capitalist, still a bit of an activist, but I'm always transparent. And I've yet to agree to do anything like that. Like, I've never taken money for that stuff. In the past, Americans for Prosperity only facilitated travel. I never took a check. But I just like transparency. So I'm still against the BBB. I'm still for the rescissions. But we'll keep talking about it as it goes. Today in Stupidity King.
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All right, this is Representative Balint. She's from Vermont. And Juan, it's the last part of this video that really matters. So if you just like the last 10 seconds or so, listen to what she says here.
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avenues for people to come here legally to work or to build a home here. I'm going to be really rude right now. We're not going to have anybody around to wipe our asses because we don't have enough people.
SPEAKER 11 :
Is that what someone, oh boy, she's a mess. Folks, that does it for us today. Make sure you find us at Substack Chapter and Verse, YouTube, Facebook, like and subscribe. Back with you tomorrow. God bless.
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Don't take your love away from me. Because breaking up is hard to do. I don't know that Elon and President Trump have broken up. But boy, what a bombshell yesterday, huh? Elon Musk goes rogue. Elon goes off the reservation. Does that mean the lefties, the lunatic lefties can go buy Teslas again? Because now they're all happy with him. Oh, they're all lining up. Oh, good for Elon. I'm with him. He's right. This bill is an abomination. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, they're all praising Elon now. Which makes me think maybe this is part of what Elon is up to. Because he's got to fix Tesla. It was reported that Tesla sales were down 45% in the month of May. Maybe, maybe he's trying to repair his brand. Look, I don't know that you've got to take sides. I'm going to throw the phone lines open right now because I know you're itching to talk about all this because this is a mess. No question about it. You've got Elon Musk calling Trump's signature legislative platform an abomination. An abomination. Oh, it's the end of the world. And yet we've got a bill that was unthinkable just a few years ago. We have total border security with this bill. Do you know that? We have the tax cuts made permanent with this bill. Do you know that? There are things in this bill, while not perfect, that were unthinkable until now. But because there's increased spending, Elon and Thomas Massey, maybe Ron Johnson, have flipped their lids. They've lost their marbles. They're attacking Trump. Now, what's fascinating, there's so much of this that's intriguing. Let me just get the phone number out, and I want you to fill up my phone lines as we take to the airwaves. Because unlike The Five on Fox News, we talk about big breaking news and what to make of it all. What in the world? How could The Five ignore this yesterday? I love that show. I try to make it. Back in the day, it was Tucker Carlson for me every day. When he was on Fox. I still follow Tucker. I still stay plugged in. But I also like to sit in the living room and watch TV. I often watch Salem News Channel. I've got that on my Apple TV and I watch. But I've got Fox and One America News and Newsmax, of course, programmed in there. And I like The Five. How could you not mention the Elon Musk bombshell yesterday? It happened before their show. As a broadcaster, I thought, well, maybe it's taped. And yet they have a little bug in the lower left corner of the screen that usually is the giveaway. It'll put live. They'll put live up there if the show is live. A lot of these shows are taped on Fox. People don't know that. They try to keep it kind of quiet. Laura, I think, often tapes. Gutfeld always tapes. There's a lot of shows that are pre-taped. And they don't really want to tell you that because, you know, they feel like they're failing in their mission, which is kind of true. For the five to go on the air yesterday and not even mention one word about the Elon bombshell, that's unthinkable. I don't know what in the world they're doing over there at that show. Mark Davis suggested, well, maybe it's because Laura Trump was in the Jeanine Pirro chair and they didn't want to offend her. Are you kidding me? Maybe you've got to get somebody else in the chair. Because I kind of would have liked to have known what Greg and even Harold Ford had to say about Elon Musk going rogue. But let's start with you, 800-655-MIKE. I don't quite know what to make of it, but if you're asking me to take a side between Donald Trump, Scott Besant, and Stephen Miller, folks like that, or Elon Musk and Thomas Massey, I'm with President Trump. And I know that Elon Musk, I believe his heart's in the right place, but I also believe he needs to stay in his lane. Because if this bill fails, what happens to the Trump agenda is catastrophic. And we don't want that. This bill cannot fail. And the guy that's got to navigate it isn't Elon Musk. He's going back to work. He's going back to Tesla and SpaceX. Trump's left trying to figure it all out. So, yes, I will fully admit I'm not real thrilled about Elon Musk's behavior right now. I appreciate wanting more spending or less spending. I appreciate all of it. But we better not let this thing collapse, because if the bill collapses, frankly, the Trump agenda collapses. And that is a horrible, catastrophic, you want to talk abomination? That's an abomination. 800-655-MIKE. I hope you join us. Let's put your voice front and center here in the Relief Factor studios because we've got a lot to cover today. 800-655-6453. Ph.D. weight loss has changed my life, and I've got a little secret for you. You know big pharma and semaglutide and the shots in the belly. You've seen the story recently about the study that shows that a lot of people that are getting this are going blind. You don't want to do this. 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You know, I can always count on everyone around me to make sure I'm... I'm dotting all the I's and crossing all the T's. I can't get anything past you. Dave in Surprise, Arizona. And I thank you for this, incidentally. Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow here. I said Steve Ducey. I always get the two of them mixed up. Steve is the recently retired father on Fox News. Peter Ducey. It was the White House correspondent for Fox News, and I said Steve instead of Peter, so thank you, Dave, for setting me straight. Christian, one of my producers, set me straight on my, not panic, but my little bit of anxiety over my condo in Florida. And I don't want to get real personal here, but what I'm going through, interestingly enough, a lot of people can relate to. So Christian just saw a headline over at the Wall Street Journal, desperation is setting in for Florida condo owners. I can relate. You know, it has been said that in a normal climate, my condo would have sold in about five minutes. And I'm very proud of the place. I mean, I'm just going to tell you, it's a great spread. And it's too much for me. At this stage of my life, all I want to do is downsize. And I hate it because I love every inch of this condo. Okay? I mean, somebody is going to love it. The problem is... My realtor can't even get a wrong number. It has died in Florida. So I want to dive into this Wall Street Journal article because all Christian saw was the headline. And it has to do with all of this uncertainty about the big, beautiful bill. It has to do with interest rates aren't coming down. And Trump is furious at that. The rate has to come down. Trump is right. And this Jerome Powell will not lower the interest rate. Mortgage rates have to come down. And a quick, again, I don't want to bare my soul here because, frankly, it's very personal. But I'll just, I'll share with you what I'm doing. You know, I've got these great financial planners and Dean Owen, and I've got a strategy here. I hit 65, and look, it hit me between the eyes. You know, I've got plenty of years left of working, but I've got to think about what my life is going to look like when I'm 75 or 80. And I've got a plan. And they've put a plan together for me that is pretty amazing. Because the problem with my life, since Denise died, I have never budgeted. I see it. I spend it. It's awful. I mean, I would not have to work ever again if I didn't want to if I'd have been an adult. But I want to go take a trip. I go take a trip. Oh, I'm not going to fly coach. I'm going to fly first class. I don't want to stay at the Holiday Inn when I can stay at the Ritz Carlton. I mean, it's stupid. And I just spend. So finally, at age 65... I'm going to be a grown-up, and I'm going to take care of myself. Goodness knows nobody else is going to take care of me. And I make a good living. You don't have to shed any tears for me. I'm well compensated for what I do. But I better be careful, and I better be smart. And it starts right now with selling my condo, which is, again, I mean, it's a beautiful, beautiful condo. Everybody who, well, the three or four people who have seen it in the months that I've had it on the market loved it. Absolutely loved it. And there's nothing not to love about it. It's a high-rise, sweeping views on the water, and it's got everything you could imagine, all the bells and whistles. And it's, I think, reasonably priced. But when I sell it, And just so you know, the Dean Owen strategy here and all the things that I'm doing as an independent contractor now, with the profit on the condo, I wipe out my debt, I downsize, I get into a less expensive home, and I am on a budget. I'm now on a budget that I've never been on, and I'm going to look out for myself so that I'm okay for the rest of my life. Because the day is going to come, I know this is going to shock you, but I'm going to have to retire. Now, I may be 80. I don't know. I'm 65 now. I've got four and a half years left on this contract. If things continue to go well, and frankly, the show is going gangbusters, no reason to think they won't want me and that I won't want to extend again. But who knows? I don't know. So along comes this condo sale. And ordinarily, according to everybody who's seen it, this thing should sell yesterday. People should be blown away by the condo. Absolutely. We can't get a wrong number. We can't get somebody calling Domino's and reaching the realtor by mistake. It is dead. It is dead. It's bad. It's bad. And the Wall Street Journal article, this is an older one. This is not a current one. But desperation is setting in for Florida condo owners. Now, the good news is this is not something I have to do immediately. And I'm not desperate. And I'm not in a place where I'm having to panic or look. And I love the condo. There's a big part of me that hates giving it up. I finally got a place where every inch of it is like perfect for me. And I did all these upgrades, a brand new HVAC system and a tankless water heater and all this stuff I've done to the place, electric shades and blackouts and curtains. I got it just the way I want it. So there's a little bit of sadness. And there's a part of me that says, okay, well, maybe I'll have to eat cat food when I'm 75, but at least I'm going to be in a nice condo. I'm not desperate. And I've told the realtor, you know, I've even thought about just taking it back off the market. I mean, why have it on the market if nothing is moving? And nothing is moving. It is as dead. I've got a great realtor in the Tampa Bay area. She says, I have never seen anything. I mean, you have to go back to like 2008 for it to be this dead. And I guarantee you, and look, you can relate to this. If you're in the real estate business, I don't think it's just Florida. I believe it's happening across the country. Could be wrong. And in Florida, when you're living on the water, there's a bunch of combinations. I mean, there's the HOA fees. Jack just wrote a note from Sarasota on the MyPillow text line. I have a two-bedroom condo on a pond. I pay $740 a month for my HOA fees. That's insane. Oh, Jack, you're not even close. Would that I only had $740 a month in HOA fees. So he's right. The HOA fees are crazy. The property taxes are crazy. So there's a lot of factors involved right now, and there is tons of uncertainty. But I truly believe that the interest rate is a major factor. Trump just tweeted out on Truth Social, nothing about Elon Musk, but he tweeted, ADP number is out. Too late Powell, he's got a nickname for Jerome Powell, chairman of the Fed. Too late Powell must now lower the rate. He is unbelievable. Europe has lowered it nine times. And Jerome Powell is not going to budge. So as I sweat out why my condo isn't selling... I blame Jerome Powell. I blame too late Powell. I'm with Trump. Georgia just asked, what are your monthly HOA fees? I'm not going to tell you. Let me just put it to you this way. If Jack in Sarasota thinks $740 a month is bad, Jack in Sarasota would choke on my HOA fees. Absolutely choke. But that's, look, you're also blessed with getting to live on the water and having sweeping views of Tampa Bay and having a high-rise luxury place that you have to have a certain level of income to do it. And so I get it. And I never, ever hope that you think I take it for granted. I am so thankful and I'm so grateful and I hate to even talk about this stuff because it sounds like I'm bragging. There's only one guy that could brag and get away with it and have fun with it, and that was Rush Limbaugh. We talk about flying around on his jets in his big mansion, and that was part of Rush's appeal and his shtick. 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Good. You mentioned something I didn't think of in that certain way, because there's something incongruous about the supposedly rift between Trump and Elon, and then they're going on the interviews and they're buddy-buddy. So I think there may be some of that, you know, don't throw me in the briar patch kind of thing. It might be a troll, in other words.
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I'm telling you, Mark, the tell, the giveaway is Trump not responding yet because Trump responds in the blink of an eye. We all know that. Do you think Mark is right that this is part of a big troll between Elon Musk with Elon Musk and Donald Trump? What do you think is behind this? 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. Nebraska wants to know if I unburied the St. Joseph statue. Don't even get me started on the St. Joseph statue. I put the St. Joseph statue in the condo. I threw it down the chute later. Then the realtor got offended. She thought that was sacrilege. She put the St. Joseph statue back. He's upside down. He's in a potted plant. I think maybe it's giving me bad juju. No, I think at the end of the day, it's across the board and real estate is bad. Is it just Florida? Portions of our show brought to you by MyPillow and Big Deal. Two sales in one. First, they're having a closeout sale on the percale bedsheets. Any size, any color, $25. You can get Queens, Kings, Split Kings, California Kings, any size, any color, $25. It's a crazy sale from MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher Special Square. The second sale, Mike Lindell has introduced a brand new energy drink called Rev7. It's a premium energy drink that's good for you. It tastes great, gives you energy all day. I sampled it yesterday for the first time. It is delicious. No sugar, no caffeine. Rev7 is so special because it's powered with a premium nootropic that helps fuel your mind. MyPillow is so confident you're going to love Rev7 that for a limited time you can try their introductory three-pack absolutely free. Now, these offers aren't going to last long. So go to MyPillow.com. Use the promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Sing along with me.
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Okay, there's a lot of drama going on, obviously. The supposed rift between Elon Musk and President Trump. People are taking sides. I wonder if this means it's going to be safe for Tesla owners to take the car out of the garage again. Because now that, you know, Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and they're all lining up, oh, I love Elon's opposition to the big, beautiful bill. I love this. Circle your calendar. We agree with Elon Musk. Now they love Elon Musk again. They used to love him before they hated him because he partnered with President Trump. Now that Elon's going back to work and left the government and is blasting the big, beautiful bill, now where do we go? We need smart people. And I can't think of anybody better suited to deal with all these questions we have about the ADP, about jobs growth, about the interest rate. Stephen Moore is an economist and author, frequent lecturer, advised Trump in the 2016 campaign, and he was so kind to hop off a plane and plug in and join us on the Mike Gallagher Show. That's commitment, Stephen.
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Hey, Mike. I'm at the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. Just got off the air, but I've been chomping at the bit to talk to you about this. Great, great topic. By the way, I'm really conflicted on this. Oh, no. The timing is perfect. Yeah. The timing is perfect. Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, I love Donald Trump and I love Elon Musk. I hate this, you know, kind of spat that they're having because I think they're both heroes.
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Well, and I think we all feel the same way. We so appreciate the commitment that Elon Musk had to the country. He damaged his brand. There's no question about it. I mean, Tesla has taken it on the chin. He's become the boogeyman. But now I'm not sure how helpful or productive it is that he's coming out with all these social media posts. It's an abomination. Look, he has to go back to work. Trump has to stay in Washington and deal with this, you know, herding all these cats, namely the members of Congress who've got to pass Trump's big, beautiful bill.
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Yeah, great point. And so let me just say something about Elon Musk. You know, when he came to Washington, he did it at his own expense. You know, he's one of the great innovators and entrepreneurs probably in the history of the world. So I greatly admire him. What he tried to do was drain the swamp. And, you know, there's an old saying in Washington, Mike, you've heard it. No good deed ever goes unpunished. So as soon as he started calling out the mass of hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud... The billions of dollars of Social Security money that's going to dead people. The fact that the foreign aid establishment couldn't tell us where hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars went. They lost the money. The fact that you had Medicaid fraud that was so abundant. Illegal immigrants getting billions and billions of dollars of free health care from the taxpayers. On and on and on. He exposed that. And he was vilified by the left. In other words, because he was... educating Americans about how much money is wasted, the left hated him, which I guess tells us that that's how the left makes their money, on the fraud in government. But I also agree with you. I was outraged by his statement. Was it yesterday or the day before where he said that this bill is despicable and so on? No, it's not a perfect bill, Mike. It's not a perfect bill. But we have to get this done to eliminate the chances of the biggest tax increase in history. It's good for small businesses. It's good for American companies. It's good for American workers. And it has to get done.
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Well, and I follow what Stephen Miller is saying about this. Look, the big, beautiful bill cuts taxes. Of course, the Trump tax cuts permanent, deports the illegals, fully funds the border. This is not a bill. that we could have even dreamed of having in 2017, he said. So we've got to remember that. And I keep thinking about the phrase, not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, because clearly we're not going to get everything we want, and spending is a problem. And I appreciate that, and I respect the pushback from people like Rand Paul and Thomas Massey. But, Steve, if this bill doesn't pass, this is catastrophic for the Trump agenda. Make no mistake about it.
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Well, it's catastrophic for the country. It's catastrophic for American businesses, workers, the average family. If we don't get this done, we'd face a $2,500 increase in their tax bill next year. By the way, can you tell me, Mike, why it is that every single Democrat in the House voted to raise taxes on the middle class by $2,500 next year? I mean, outrageous. But there's a lot of hidden gems in this bill, too. I mean, I'm a big school choice guy, as you are. There's funding to allow parents to send their kids to great schools. There's border security money here so we can control the border. But by the way, the folks who are working on that have done an amazing job. We're down 93 percent in illegal immigration. There is all sorts of savings. Work requirements for welfare programs, which is something, my goodness, Bill Clinton did in the 90s, and it was a huge success. You got people, able-bodied people sitting home watching TV, getting free health care, free food, free checks in the mail. That kind of thing has to stop. This is not a great bill, but it is a good bill and it is essential that we pass it.
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Amen. And, Steve, I don't want to get bogged down in the drama. My audience and I will wallow in the drama between Elon and Donald Trump. But I want you to crunch some numbers for me because I really need your advice on how – because I don't understand with the ADP count and the jobs. I mean, this was released just earlier today. Private payrolls increased just 37,000. in May, which was below the expectation, the Dow Jones forecast of 110,000. President Trump immediately took to Truth Social and he said, ADT number out, too late Powell, nickname for Jerome Powell, calling him too late Powell. must now lower the rate. He is unbelievable, President Trump wrote. Europe has lowered it nine times. Can you help us understand? Help a layman like me. Help a dummy like me understand the role of Jerome Powell and the Fed and the rate and why he will not acquiesce and give President Trump what he wants in lowering the rate.
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Well, let me give you a little big picture here. This economy is booming right now. Now, I just heard about the ADP report, but every other single report we're getting, Mike, is very strong. You saw that Atlanta Fed said the economy so far in the second quarter is growing. Are you ready for this? Almost 5 percent, which is a block. buster number. You're seeing the inflation rate now down to 2.5%. Remember, it was 9% under Biden. You're seeing consumer confidence soar. So I think this is an extremely healthy economy. One of the reasons private sector payrolls aren't growing faster is because there aren't enough workers to fill all the jobs. There's 7.1 million job openings today, according to the latest report by the Bureau of Labor. 7.1 million job openings. So this is a good economy. It's getting better. Once we get the big, beautiful bill done, you're going to see one of the biggest booms you ever saw in this country. So I reject this idea that this one statistic somehow suggests a bad economy. Now, on the Fed lowering rates, you know, I'm of mixed minds on this. I don't want to see it.
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Oh, no, because that was the money clip I wanted to find out about the feds and the interest rates. We'll try to reconnect with Steve Moore. Again, he was so kind to hop on in the airport with us. And sometimes I'm sure he's on his iPhone and he's got his earbuds there. And it was going great until it didn't. It worked until it didn't. So once we get him back, we'll let him finish that thought. on the interest rates because I don't get that. And President Trump is clearly frustrated with Jerome Powell. And so we lost you there, Steve, but let's pick up where you left off because this is the money clip. I want to know what you think about Jerome Powell not lowering the rates.
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So I think that I would be cautious right now about lowering rates. The inflation rate's running at about 2.5%, which is a lot lower than it was under Biden when it was 9%. But I don't want to see inflation come back. Remember what the Fed did under Biden, just flooded the economy with money to pay for the $6 trillion spending spree. And that's why we had the highest inflation since any president since Jimmy Carter. So I want to make sure we have a high employment, low inflation economy. That's what Trump is giving us. Look, I think almost everything Trump is doing, and by the way, I'm not a big tariff guy, Mike. I'm not a huge fan of tariffs, but I like everything else the guy is doing. And if he gets these trade deals done with China, with the UK, with the Europeans, with Japan, Korea, I mean, I'm going to say it again. We're going to have the biggest booming economy you ever saw. You know, my book that I wrote that Donald Trump wrote the forward to and I wrote with this our laugher is called The Trump Economic Miracle. And that's what we're going to get.
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Right. Of course we are. The only thing that's getting in the way of that now is us getting in the way of ourselves and tripping all over ourselves and battling Trump on this bill. Final question, Steve, and I've got to ask you this. Sorry to pull you back into the Elon Trump drama, but look, you know these guys. You crunch the numbers. You're so highly respected. And incidentally, I admire you so much and always appreciate you making time for us. Thank you, Mike. And our audience appreciates you very much. Could this be... A good cop, bad cop scenario where Trump and Elon are kind of in on this and this is kind of, this is performative. Is that a possibility, Steve?
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Well, I don't know. Look, let's face it. These are two of the most accomplished people that ever walked on the planet Earth. And I love them both. And you got two. Let's face it. They're two super egos. You know, they both want to be the alpha male in the room. And so I think there's a little bit of a personality clash here. But but look, we could use a lot more Elon Musk. We could use a lot of more Donald Trump. I just want to relate to you one last thing. The one thing that worries me, and I'm very bullish, we've got to get this debt under control. We've got to have the work requirements for Medicaid. How about this, Mike? You and I should start. Why can't we just cut every single federal program by 10% across the board right now?
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Amen. And it can be done. They can do it. And they can make this bill better. Let's get her done. And Stephen Moore, safe travels to Dallas and beyond. And thank you for taking time for us here on the Mike Gallagher Show. Keep fighting the good fight, Steve. Love your show, Mike, anytime. Take care. Have a great day. Love your insights. And Stephen Moore helping us out because, look, I'm lost on this interest rate. I wish Jerome Powell would just say, okay, cry uncle and give President Trump what he's demanding. All right. What is Trump demanding of Elon Musk? Where do we go from here? What do you make of all this? 800-655-MIKE. 18 past the hour here in the Relief Factor studios. It is a big breaking news bombshell day. Elon goes off the reservation, goes scorched earth over the big, beautiful bill. Who's right? Who's wrong? Where do you stand? 800-655-6453. Let's put your voice front and center here on the Mike Gallagher Show.
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I think one of the smartest things I've heard today is from a guy in Arizona who said, look, nothing wrong with a little friendly disagreement in MAGA world. We're not all in lockstep, and we never have been. And to those who accuse us of being brainwashed or members of a cult, look, Elon Musk's bombshell, just eviscerating the big, beautiful bill, is an example of smart people who want more than what Trump's bill, his signature legislative achievement, is delivering. Here's another smart text I got from Columbia, South Carolina. It has taken the Democrats decades to do what they've done to America. Trump hasn't been in office six whole months yet. People are so impatient, you've got to give President Trump time. We are all impatient. But Elon Musk went on a rampage on social media last night. Did you notice who didn't go on a rampage? Did you notice who didn't respond yet? President Trump. Look, a lot of smart people can disagree. And Americans are going to be asked to choose sides. Are you with Thomas Massey? Or are you with Scott Besson, the Treasury Secretary? Are you with Hakeem Jeffries? Or are you with Ron Johnson? Or Stephen Miller? Or Donald Trump? Here we go again, where President Trump has to navigate through these tricky waters. Running a country isn't like running Tesla. I admire Elon Musk dramatically. But let's face it, Elon Musk is a larger-than-life personality. Do you like the idea of fully funding the border? Do you like the idea... of a extraordinary scope, scale, and speed of removing illegals and criminal aliens from the United States. Stephen Miller makes the case. For that reason alone, Trump's bill is the most essential piece of legislation currently under consideration in the entire Western world in generations. Stephen Miller is right. They've got to get this done. I'd like to ask you, what is the end game? What's Rand Paul's end game? Oh, he wants to make it better. Okay. If it doesn't meet with his approval, do you want the bill to fail? Do you want the bill to fall on its face? Do you want the bill to be destroyed? Well, that would make this guy happy. If you're cheering on Elon Musk... You're on the side of Hakeem Jeffries.
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Breaking news. Elon Musk and I agree with each other. The GOP tax scam is a disgusting abomination. Every single Republican who voted for the one big, ugly bill should be ashamed of themselves.
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So, Elon Musk going rogue and leaving the White House and leaving the government position officially and blasting Trump's bill is music to the Democrats' ears. They don't have the votes. Do you understand that? They can't block it. Only Republicans can block it. It will not be perfect. It will increase our spending. It will add to the debt. And I trust the guy I enthusiastically voted for on November 5th to work on that as well. I'm just intrigued about the Democrats' love affair with Elon. Because they used to love him before they hated him. Now that he's gone rogue and he seems to have a disagreement with President Trump, does that mean they love Elon again? Are they all on board with Teslas? Are they all going to start buying Teslas? At least maybe they won't start, you know, they'll stop firebombing Teslas, huh? Maybe they'll stop taking out their keys and damaging vehicles. Wow. So, look, I want to always turn to you. We could have a lot of smart people on this show, and we do. Stephen Moore, if you missed my interview with him, we'll have it posted on the podcast. We'll have it posted. We'll have it up at MikeOnline.com, Salem News Channel. A lot of good people and a lot of smart people. I don't accuse Elon Musk of not having the smarts. He's one of the most successful businessmen on the planet. Of course he's smart. You think he knows where all the political bodies are buried? He sure does not. You think he knows how Washington works? He certainly does not. You want to know who does now? President Donald J. Trump, again, believe in what you voted for. And don't get squeamish now. Here's a text from Georgia, from Atlanta. Elon should remember one thing. When you're up to your neck in alligators, it's hard to remember that your initial mission was to drain the swamp. Look, there is unquestionably... This is a bill that would have never even been possible in 2017. The big, beautiful bill, as Stephen Miller put it, was designed by President Trump and his allies in Congress to deliver on his core campaign pledges to voters, and that is exactly what it does. This is the most MAGA bill ever passed by the House. It's not even close. Certain libertarians in Congress and others, he said, who are not MAGA, have their own agenda. And it's not yours. Stephen Miller asked of Rand Paul, why doesn't Rand ever fight this hard to deport illegals? Why aren't certain libertarians in Congress more excited about this? You understand the bill completely funds the border. You understand this bill increases... The magnitude of speed and efficiency of removing illegals and criminal aliens from the United States. And final question before I turn it over to you at 800-655-MIKE. If Trump's tax cuts become permanent, what do you think that's going to do to the economy? I mean, right now, the numbers are good. As Stephen Moore told us earlier today, the numbers are good. They'll be great. if the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 pass. If it fails, watch this economy go down the toilet. I'll bet you voted for Donald Trump for two reasons, the economy and illegal immigration. I promise you the big, beautiful bill will implement that beyond your wildest imagination. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You're not going to get everything. We're not going to get everything we want. We're not going to curb spending overnight. It's taken them a lot of years to do this damage to our economy. Don't expect Trump to fix it in five months. 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. Do you know what kind of economy we're going to have? when these tax cuts are made permanent. And nobody's disputing that's in the bill. Nobody's disputing fully funding the border. That's why the Democrats are on board with Elon Musk. So Elon Musk and Thomas Massey and Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, they're all on board together. They're on the same page. Now, they have different reasons. To be clear, the Democrats are opposed to it because they're terrified of what's already in it. Doesn't that tell you something? Check out Chuck Schumer from New York.
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How does Musk's opposition change your approach to fighting this bill?
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Well, Musk's opposition shows how bad, if even Elon Musk, who's been part of the whole process and is Trump's buddy, says the bill is bad, you can imagine how bad this bill is.
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Look, there's a uniqueness. There's one unique characteristic to everybody pushing back. They're not, I guarantee you, they're not loyal to the Trump mandate and agenda. We gave him a mandate. He's trying to implement it. Get out of his way. Stay in your lane, Elon. Stay in your lane to people who are pushing back. Either believe in them or you don't. And the Democrats, they want skyrocketing taxes. They'll celebrate a crashing economy. They're livid right now at the economy today. And the economy today, his economy continues to provide amazing news for the American people. The new inflation numbers, another decline in rising prices, an increase in personal income, record increases. A lot of good things are happening. Take a breath. Be patient. Don't overreact. 800-655-MIKE. I hope you're going to call on your Pure Talk phone. They're my wireless company. They're a company led by a veteran. They believe every man and woman who has faithfully served America deserves to proudly fly an American flag that was made right here in the U.S. of A. That's why Pure Talk is on a mission to give an allegiance flag, which is the highest quality American flag, to 1,000 U.S. veterans in time for the patriotic holidays. Hey, Fourth of July is going to be here before you know it. Flag Day, the U.S. Army's birthday. Trump's birthday, all that's coming up. Switch your cell phone service to Pure Talk this month, and a portion of every single sale will go to provide these high-quality flags to deserving veterans. They have plans from just $25 a month for unlimited talk, text, and plenty of data, and you'll be on America's most dependable 5G network while cutting your cell phone bill in half. Dial pound 250 and just say the keyword Mike Gallagher. Pure Talk's customer service team, based right here in the U.S. of A., will get you switched hassle-free in minutes. Again, dial pound 250 and when prompted, just say the keyword Mike Gallagher and support veterans. Get them a beautiful flag and switch to my wireless company, America's wireless company, Pure Talk. mike gallagher every day mike visits with mark davis morning host on 6 60 a.m the answer in dallas here's today's eminem experience i've been thinking a lot about it this morning um in fact there was some reporting that was just repeated from axios mark caputo was sharing remember the screaming match that scott besant and elon got into outside the oval office and well it was not denied by the White House. In fact, Caroline Leavitt was asked about it, and she didn't deny it. So it did happen. And evidently, one of the things Scott Besson said to Elon is, you're a fraud. You promised $2 trillion in cuts. Then it was $1 trillion. Then it turned into $500 billion. Now it's $150. You're a fraud. And then, of course, Elon got into his face and said, you're a failed hedge fund manager. And it was very personal. And I've known bosses like Trump who like that kind of tension. They think it brings out the best in warring sides. But here's what I think we have to consider about Elon. First of all, hope everybody's paying attention as you're rallying around Elon at Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer. Yes. And all of the Democrats are lining up. Oh, Elon is right. Oh, he's right. So guess what? Democrats are voting in your poll that Elon is a brave, courageous truth teller to now. Because you know why? Because they don't want the bill because they're terrified of border security. They're terrified of all the things in it. They're terrified of codifying and making permanent the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. So I want to push back gently with love to you and all your listeners. as Elon went through all these late-night dissing texts and tweets, and he keeps dissing Trump in these new posts. President Trump, incidentally, oddly quiet about it right now.
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Yeah, which is, I think, which is a signal. It's telling. I want you to continue your premise, but Trump, well, first of all, I don't think Trump, one of the big things last night was, what's the running clock before Trump says, I never knew him, I don't know who this guy is, and I don't think that's going to happen, nor do I think it's a psyop. Nor do I think they were being played here. I just think there's a way for Elon's purity of purity of perception. And I think where you're going to go is he just doesn't understand the governmental system and is not ultimately being helpful. But I think there's a way for all this to work out. Let me let you continue.
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Well, there better be a way for it to work out because I'm going to go to what we need to go to. What's the end game? You and I, I think, rightfully ask often about issues like, for example, the war with Ukraine and Russia. What's the end game? We keep writing blank checks to Vladimir Zelensky. What's the end game? You think Ukraine's going to beat Russia? No. You think we're going to get into a war with Russia? So what is the end game? And we ask that a lot, and I think it helps add clarity to the debate. Well, let's do the end game game on this. If the bill fails... What do you think is going to happen, Mark? If it's not good enough for the Elons and the Thomas Massys and the Ron Johnsons of the world, what are we left with? Let me tell you what we're left with. Shattering the Trump agenda. Obliterating the Trump mandate. And you're right, if it does come down to Elon versus Trump, I'm with Trump every day of the week. Let's talk about a business person like Elon. He's brilliant. He has turned so much around. But he sees things from the eyes of somebody who has not been president for four and a half years. He doesn't know really how the sausage is made. We got a guy with steel you-know-whats in the Oval Office who's trying to make chicken salad from a bowl of chicken you-know-what. Here's my... With love admonition this morning, stay in your lane, Elon. Back off and let President Trump try to navigate this. Now, I'm open to one thing, and I want to get off my soapbox here and ask you about this theory. But I wonder if Donald Trump isn't in on this with Elon Musk.
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Which is exactly where a lot of people are going. If it's binary, if we got a pick going all in with Elon or all in with Trump. I think it's possible for Elon to be right about this and yet still say, hey, you ain't President Trump. There's more good than bad in the bill, and the bill needs to pass, and the failure of the bill might lead to our failure in the midterm. So you've got to look at the big picture. And for our buddy Elon, there's an old saying, I don't know who coined this. Let everything you say be truth, but not all truths need to be spoken all the time. That's right. Indeed, Elon is fiscally correct and right. When you were talking 60 seconds ago about how he comes in with a kind of a neophyte perception of how he is. His clear eye, his fresh eyes have been of enormous value in finding government waste. Doge is great. It needs to continue. Let's get to that $2 trillion that he talked about. But it also means you're kind of a babe in the woods as far as how things actually happen. And you know who it reminds me of? A very different character, Ross Perot. who said, I'm going to put up the hood. Let's take a look. I'm doing Dana Carvey doing Ross Perot. And God bless Ross Perot, but government's not a business. It never will be. There's principles of business. Don't spend money you don't have, blah, blah, blah. But government is not. You can't snap a finger, write a memo, gather the team, and change things overnight.
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Look, Elon is very frustrated. That's very obvious. It's clear he's frustrated now. And we all are. But I think he's got a whole different level of frustration. It was reported that Tesla sales were down 45 percent in the month of May. Now, I hate that for him, but he's got his hands full. He leaves the White House and he has absolutely damaged himself in a massive way. And and shame on the loony left.
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Business-wise?
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Business-wise, his brand. I mean, if it's true, 45%, Mark, that's not nothing. And he's got to get back to work. So he knows that, and he's got to fix that. He's got a fiduciary responsibility to turn his companies back. And I think they're going to come back. But he's just frustrated. And we get all of that. I get that. I admire him and I respect him. But I think he's got to back off and stay in his lane. Because, again, you said something a moment ago that really struck with me. You think there'll be more good than bad in this bill. Well, there definitely is more.
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There's totally more.
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Well, all right. Well, let's look at that. Let's do a deep dive on that. If the more good, the absolute secure border, the tax cuts made permanent, but if that still comes with a heavy deficit price, how do you determine what's more good than bad? Because what Thomas Massey is saying and what Elon Musk is saying is to hell with the border security. There's too much spending.
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Exactly.
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Forget the tax cuts. We've got too much spending. And so this is the problem we have. And this is what I'm we got to be careful here not to get, you know, swept away by the dreamy, you know, rantings of Elon Musk here. He might be saying, forget it. Let the bill crash and burn, burn it all down and the and the Trump agenda because they didn't give us enough. That's a mistake, Mark.
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That's a big mistake. And it's a product of the business versus government mindset. That's right. That Walter Isaacson biography of Elon. I recommend it because everything Elon does, I can find like page 275. There's something in there. He welcomes business failure. He learns from every business failure. Let some rocket design happen. absolutely blow up on the pad. Fine. Back to square one. Let's see what we do. That ain't how government works. Government is very incremental. You can't really have a big... For us to have this rocket blow up on the pad, we can't turn it around fast enough and make everything hunky-dory by the midterms. We're going to be gauged very slavishly, very... minutely by millions of people, whether Trump is able to deliver. What's the measure of every politician? Can you deliver on what you promised? And from full border wall funding to tax cuts to any one of a number of other things that are in the big, beautiful bill, if this thing fails, there's going to be hell to pay.
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In this episode of Washington Watch, host Tony Perkins delves into several pressing issues facing the nation. We begin with the chilling news of federal charges against two Chinese nationals accused of attempting to smuggle a biological pathogen into the U.S., which has the potential to wreak havoc on our food supply. Congressman John McGuire shares insights on the situation and discusses the broader implications of China's actions against America. The episode transitions to an enlightening discussion on the U.S. Army's recent success in meeting recruitment goals, highlighting a cultural shift back to core military values. This success evidences the appeal of traditional patriotism and mission-focused training, in stark contrast to the previously emphasized social edicts. Moreover, there's significant attention given to the proposed nationwide school choice tax credit, exploring its potential to revolutionize educational opportunities in America. As the conversation unfolds, the focus shifts to President Trump's controversial 'one big, beautiful bill' with its fiscal policies under the microscope. Expert analysis is provided on the Congressional Budget Office's role and methodology, questioning its impartiality and impact. The discussion underscores a broader critique of how financial forecasts are shaping political agendas.
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from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
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Welcome to this June 4th edition of Washington Watch. Thanks so much for tuning in. Well, first up, federal prosecutors have charged two Chinese nationals with trying to smuggle a highly contagious livestock pathogen into the United States, an agent capable of devastating America's food supply. Congressman John McGuire of Virginia will join us with the latest on what Congress plans to do next. Meanwhile, after missing its annual recruiting targets three years in a row, the U.S. Army now claims it has already surpassed its FY 2025 goal with four months to spare. What changed? Well, here's a hint. Young men and women who want to defend freedom aren't flocking to pronoun training seminars. They're flocking to those institutions that want to train them to defend freedom. We'll dig into the numbers and the cultural sea change reshaping our nation's military. And on Capitol Hill, the Senate is taking up the reconciliation package, and tucked inside is a headline-grabbing provision, a nationwide school choice tax credit. It's a voucher initiative that allows parents to choose schools and private schools and homeschool options for their kids. Congressman Kevin Kiley from California joins us to explain how it works and whether it can survive the Senate. And Elon Musk isn't exactly smitten with President Trump's self-styled one big, beautiful bill. Musk took to X saying this massive, outrageous, pork-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it. Well, at the center of the differing views of the one big, beautiful bill is a review of the bill by the Congressional Budget Office. And we're going to talk with Washington Stan's Mark Tapscott about the Congressional Budget Office, their scoring and their checkered forecasting record. All of that and more coming up on this edition of Washington Watch. Plus, let me remind you, have you taken the challenge? Beginning June the 11th, families across the country are joining FRC's 21-day Family Bible Challenge through the Gospel of Matthew. Daily readings, a study guide, kid-friendly activities, and weekly discussion questions will help every age engage with God's Word together. So if you'd like to take the challenge, text MATTHEW to 67742. That's MATTHEW to 67742. Well, yesterday, the FBI unveiled a set of charges against two Chinese nationals who allegedly attempted to smuggle a biological pathogen into the U.S. that would damage crops and cattle. Here to discuss this and more, Congressman John McGuire from Virginia. He serves on the House Armed Services Committee. He represents the 5th Congressional District of Virginia. Congressman, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
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Hey, thank you, Tony. It's good to be here. I tell you, China believes that everything can be used as a weapon and everything should be used as a weapon. I got to tell you, my goal, my number one goal in Congress is I'm a limited government. legislator, but I believe we have to keep our people safe at home and abroad. And we are less safe at home and abroad. If you look at the fentanyl overdose epidemic in our country, it's being produced in China, coming across our southern border, and poisoning the American people. And this is just another example of them. You've seen they hack into our technology, our military technology. They bring people here on a birth vacation so they go back to China, and they have dual citizenship. And this is another example of China going against the American people.
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Now, these two students coming in in Michigan, what do we know about motive thus far? What were they trying to do? Now, the news reports say that they were just wanting to do research in an educational institution. Do we know any more at this point?
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Well, we don't know any more about that, but we're certainly going to do an investigation. But this is egregious, and I think we know if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. And it's just a constant attack or danger to the American people in our interest. And so we've got to respond with tariffs, the intellectual property thefts, all those things. We have to stand up to China.
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And I think analyzing this, what we have, we have to determine the motives of these two individuals involved. We do have a track record with China trying to infiltrate this country, steal intellectual property. They're constantly at work attacking our infrastructure in different places. So we know that they have bad motives. And is this a further wake-up call, especially when you think in light of COVID? You know, and what came about as a result of that?
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Absolutely. We need a wake-up call. I cannot understand why people aren't banging pots and pans and making a lot of noise. In my district, you know, as a politician, we knock a lot of doors, and we have lots of conversations. I've knocked on six doors in my district where a mother or a father cried with me and prayed with me because their 18-, 19-, 20-year-old son or daughter is dead. because of fentanyl poisoning, for example. And I remember one was a big mansion, a larger home, and they were moving to South Carolina. So I asked them, I said, why are you guys moving to South Carolina? And they said, well, we're tired of being known as the family on the corner that lost our son to fentanyl poison. And when I knocked the next two doors, they reminded me that that house on the corner had an overdose death. And then I've also knocked on folks like a trailer where they don't have a lot of money. where a guy was just, you know, didn't have a lot of money. All he cared about was his son, and his son is dead. And so China seems to be coming after us in every single way. They're not fair in business. Like, they'll produce a product in China, an American product, during the day, and when that company closes its doors, they come in with another crew, and they use the same molds and the same equipment to produce a knockoff product. And so I love the idea of America first. I love it that President Trump is bringing manufacturing and supply chains back to the U.S. And I'm just all about that.
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Congressman McGuire, I know you've got to go here in just a moment, but I want to ask you about this. As a Navy veteran, you're a Navy SEAL, the Army surpassing its recruiting goal with four months left in the fiscal year. For the last three years, they haven't been able to meet it. I mean, this should not come as a surprise to people, but young men and women who want to fight for this country want to join the military, that that's their mission, not learning the right pronouns.
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Absolutely. You know, I love what Pete Hegsat says. No more climate change. No more transgender surgeries. We are here to make our military lethal so that we can protect the American people. And by the way, the Army is going to celebrate 250 years on June 14th. It's going to be a parade, and that's a history that needs to be told. And it's great for recruiting. And like you said, we've reached our recruiting numbers for the Army four months early, and we haven't even gotten into the most productive months for recruiting this year yet. So we're on the way. What a difference having President Trump in the White House makes. And by the way, if you're on a basketball team and you hate your basketball team, you're going to lose. America first. We have a great country. People need to be taught patriotism. Our Judeo-Christian values need to be taught. And we have an incredible country. And I don't know if you can make it, but I hope you'll make it to that parade.
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Final question for you, Congressman McGuire. You keep your—you're on the Armed Services Committee. You're a veteran of the Navy. You've seen what happens with the woke policies of the Biden administration, of the Obama administration. Can this be reprogrammed? Can we redo and fix the damage that has been done in these four years?
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Well, I got to tell you, as a sniper instructor in the Navy SEALs, if you would have hit me with a baseball bat, I would not have missed that shot. By the grace of God, we got President Trump back in the White House. And it didn't take him four years to secure that border. He did it in four weeks. And so I believe that God kind of—we weren't on the cliff. We were over the cliff. And I think the hand of God pulled us back over. But we've got work to do. But I know God's in control. God gets the last word. I have faith that we're going to turn this country around.
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Well, and we need to continue to pray, vote and stand for those who will do just that. Congressman John McGuire, always great to see you. Thanks so much for taking time to join us today. Thank you. And folks, I do want to encourage you because this is a question I often get as a as a Marine veteran. I have parents will ask me, you know, should I should I our kids join the military given what's happening? Of course, this is back more during the Biden and Obama years. I think it's just like when you send your kids to a public college. Well, I think we got to be careful where we send them. and prepare them to go. And I do think we need men and women of faith in our nation's military, because when you think about the power of the military, the lethal force that they have, we want men and women who know right from wrong. And so absolutely, yes, we should prepare our young people to go into every legitimate area of service and business in our country. But here's what we've got to do. We've got to continue to shape these policies that protect their rights to be who they are in terms of as believers, to exercise their religious freedom and not be punished, which is what we saw during the Biden administration, what we saw during the Obama administration, people being punished for their faith. In fact, I was on C-SPAN earlier this morning discussing this issue of religious freedom and what the Trump administration is doing with their religious freedom commission. And it's not about imposing religion on anyone. You can't do that. God doesn't do that. God gives us a choice. He gave Adam and Eve a choice in the garden, whether to love him and obey him or not. Unfortunately, they chose not to do it. And we're all paying the price for that. But we want to make sure that we have the freedom in this country, which is what religious freedom is, the freedom to live our lives according to our faith. And that includes in public service, it includes Congress, that includes state legislatures, it includes law enforcement, it includes military, whatever. We need to be free to do that. And General Boykin, the executive vice president here, founding member of Delta Force, we've talked about this many times over the years on this program. You've probably heard us. That the reason that the military was suffering in its recruiting numbers and its retention was because it had lost its focus and its mission. When it spent more time on training people to use the right pronouns and all of the DEI initiatives of the left, as opposed to being a lethal fighting force, why would you sign up for that? I wouldn't. I don't want to waste my time learning which pronouns to use. Now that the military is moving back to its mission to fight and to win America's wars when called upon, guess what? People are standing in line to join. And that's encouraging, because we have men and women, young men and women, doing what makes this nation different. And it shows really kind of the Judeo-Christian DNA that we have. As Jesus said, greater love have no one than to lay down his life for his friends. And that's what we see in this country. But it has to be a military that's focused And that's what President Trump and Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense are doing, reverting back to our nation's, our military's purpose to fight and to win America's war. This is something we've got to be very, very aware of. A lot of what is happening can be undone by the if we see if and when there is a Democratic administration, they can undo all of the good stuff that has happened here in just the last few months. So we've got to pray. We've got to pray for the change of heart, the spiritual foundation of this nation to turn while we have the freedom to do so. We need to vote to keep men and women and bring more into office that will stand for biblical truth and righteousness. And then right where you are, right where I am, the opportunities we have, we need to stand for that truth. All right, coming up next, President Trump's one big, beautiful bill contains a provision which would make school choice more accessible to parents across the nation. I'm going to speak with California Congressman Kevin Kiley on this very topic when we get back. So don't go away. More straight ahead. Hello, I'm Tony Perkins, and we're here in Jerusalem, the city of King David. And I'm excited to announce the launch of our Family Bible Challenge to read through the Gospel of Matthew. Now, this 21-day challenge begins on June the 11th, and it's a part of our Stand on the Word Bible reading plan. It's in bite-sized readings. 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BACK TO WASHINGTON WATCH. THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. ALL RIGHT. THE WOKENESS OF THE BIDEN ERA EDUCATION DEPARTMENT HAS FUELED THE DESIRE OF PARENTS TO SEEK SCHOOL CHOICE. AND IT'S NO SURPRISE TO SEE TUCKED IN PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, A PROVISION THAT CREATES A VOUCHER PROGRAM THAT FINANCES PRIVATE AND HOME SCHOOL EDUCATION. How exactly would it work? Well, here to discuss this, Congressman Kevin Kiley, who serves on the House Education Workforce Committee, where he's chairman of the subcommittee on early childhood, elementary and secondary education. He represents the third congressional district of California. Congressman Kiley, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
SPEAKER 12 :
Of course. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER 21 :
So this is something you've actually been championing. You want to see the expansion of charter schools as well. Walk us through this provision that is, it appears to be modeled after legislation that started in Arizona back in, I think, 1997 by former Congressman Trent Franks. But it really takes private money to expand these opportunities for kids to private and homeschool education.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's correct. Exactly. So this is based on a bill that I sponsored called the ECCA, Educational Choice for Children Act. And the idea here is to catalyze a school choice revolution across the country and bring school choice even to states like mine, California, that have done everything they possibly can TO RESTRICT IT. SO THE BILL, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS NOW PART OF THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL OR H.R. 1 WHICH HAS PASSED THE HOUSE NOW AND WE EXPECT TO BE SIGNED INTO LAW BEFORE TOO LONG. WHAT IT DOES IS IT ESTABLISHES A credit for donations to scholarship-granting organizations. It's 100 percent tax credit. And so then these scholarship-granting organizations will use those funds to provide scholarships for students to attend a private school of their choice. It funds those credits up to the level of $5 billion that they can be claimed across the country. We estimate—and then it continues for four years—we estimate that'll mean getting $2 kids, a private school choice across the country. And then, as you mentioned, I'm also advocating for inclusion of a bill I've sponsored called the High Quality Charter School Act, which is going to do something similar for charter schools by potentially tripling the number of students attending charter schools nationwide.
SPEAKER 21 :
So this in particular helps states like yours in California that, unlike many of the red states that are adopting very similar provisions, as I mentioned, this first started in Arizona over 30 years, about 30 years ago. I introduced it when I was in the legislature in Louisiana, but back then we weren't quite at the point we are now. Louisiana has something very similar today. This, well, first I want to go to something that the critics say in the educational establishment. saying, it's taking dollars away from programs that would strengthen all schools, expand access to early childhood education, make sure that our kids have access to mental health counselors and to other mental health supports. How does providing opportunity for kids through private donations into these scholarship funds take anything away from other education?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, it doesn't. In fact, it's just the opposite. And the idea that more money will improve student outcomes necessarily has been completely debunked. Under the Biden administration, we increased education spending by $200 billion, and yet student test scores have plummeted. There's been an inverse relationship. California spends a ton of money on education, and it has some of the worst outcomes in the country. What really does make a difference is giving families options and giving them and giving schools an incentive to offer a high quality product.
SPEAKER 21 :
So what they're afraid of is competition.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's right. Exactly. Well, they're afraid of it. But also what we see when the competition does occur is it actually lifts all boats because then the other schools in the area have to offer a higher quality product.
SPEAKER 21 :
Now, as a $5 billion cap, I mean, I think there's gonna be a lot of interest in this for, again, this is people who get, they get a tax deduction by giving money to these scholarship funds. Now, people would argue, well, that's money that people would pay taxes on. Yes, but we're improving education. We're improving the workforce. And we're doing it through the private sector. And we're not, this is not a government-created plan. These are private sector, private education. So, I mean, this looks like a win-win.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, absolutely. And, you know, when a child is being educated at a private school, then that's no longer a cost to the public school system either. So, you know, at the end of the day, what we're doing is we're allowing parents and families to have a greater amount of control over how their share of education spending is used. And it does it in a way that actually will have broad system-wide effects in terms of improving the quality of education for everyone.
SPEAKER 21 :
And it will—will this not? Correct me if I'm wrong, but as we go into states where we have failing education systems and we have students that their parents don't have the resources, this opens the door for them.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. Right now, we have private schools across the country, but only those who have means generally can attend them. But what this bill does is it opens that opportunity up to everyone. So the Democrats who are opposing this bill and calling it some sort of voucher system or claiming that it's harming the public education system, what they're really defending is making school choice the exclusive province of the wealthy. What we want to do is open up that opportunity to everyone.
SPEAKER 21 :
All right, so walk us through the legislative process. What are you hearing from members of the Senate? Is this a provision? You know, I know they've been kind of going through like a cafeteria line saying, I like this, I don't like this. What are they saying about this provision?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I haven't heard any opposition to it. I think that it's something that's broadly popular, at least within the Republican conference. As you noted earlier, it also can be used by homeschool families, and there's many millions of homeschool families across the country that we need to support, and everywhere we can. They've actually been, you know, under attack in states like like California, but actually out of COVID, homeschooling became more popular than ever. So I think the Senate is going to certainly have its say on many facets of this bill. But I think this is a provision that they'll want to protect. And indeed, what I want to see happen is them add the charter school part as well, which will provide a similar tax credit for starting up new charter schools that essentially replicate those that currently exist that are already getting great results.
SPEAKER 21 :
Congressman Kiley, we've just got a minute left. I know this morning the Department of Education held a hearing titled Examining the Policies and Priorities of the Department of Education. What was the top takeaway from the meeting?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, the Democrats on the committee are very interested in defending the status quo. And the status quo is one of failure. It's one of where we've shoveled more and more and more money into the system. And student performance has gotten worse and worse and worse. The administration has proposed a number of reforms to reverse that trajectory. And so if the Democrats wanted to sort of disagree with the way that they're going about
SPEAKER 21 :
REFORMING OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT'S ONE THING BUT INSTEAD OF DOING THAT THEY SIMPLY JUST WANT TO DEFEND THE STATUS QUO WHICH TO ME IS UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF KIDS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY WHO ARE NOT GETTING THE EDUCATION THEY DESERVE IF WE KEEP DEFENDING THE STATUS QUO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GETTING THE SAME RESULTS IT IS TIME TO CHANGE THINGS CONGRESSMAN KYLIE THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US ALWAYS APPRECIATE LISTENING TO YOU OF COURSE THANKS FOR HAVING ME ALL RIGHT FOLKS DON'T GO AWAY MORE WASHINGTON WATCH RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Be sure and check out the website, TonyPerkins.com. Better yet, download the Stand Firm app. Lots of resources there for you, including access to Washington Stand. That is FRC's news and commentary from a biblical perspective. And it's important to have it because what we're going to talk about here, you can see it on the Washington Stand. Earlier today, the Congressional Budget Office released its projections on how much the one big, beautiful bill would grow the federal deficit. Now, the agency, the Congressional Budget Office, is supposed to be a nonpartisan federal agency. And they claim that the bill would grow the federal deficit by $2.4 trillion. But is the CBO actually nonpartisan in practice? And How are they coming up with these numbers? And what are the implications of any potential partisan bias in the agency in their projections? Well, here with analysis on this is Mark Tapscott, who is the Washington Stan Senior Congressional Analyst. Mark, welcome back to Washington Watch. Great to be here. So let's go back in history. Give us a one minute history of the Congressional Budget Office.
SPEAKER 19 :
It was started in 1974. It was intended by Congress to be the congressional equivalent of the Office of Management and Budget over in the Executive Branch and to provide scoring that would compete with, if you will, the Executive Branch projections. give Congress some independent information. Over the years, it has maintained a particular approach. It's called static scoring, to do their projections. They don't want to change that, even though, in the years since, we have developed a much more accurate form of projection called dynamic scoring. So, explain that. Well, with static scoring, you continually assume that the economy is going to basically stay the same. You cut taxes. We know that generally increases government revenues because people have more to spend. The economy grows. Under static scoring, you just assume that it's going to basically continue as it is. Tax cuts don't have an effect.
SPEAKER 21 :
that's why democrats love so it's almost like having something looking at it with simple interest versus compounding exactly exactly so given all the information the computer technology we have today the ai i mean when you look at trends over the years you can you could analyze to see what impact absolutely a tax cut would have in terms of growing the economy we have all that data available
SPEAKER 19 :
In 2017, when the first Trump tax cut was being debated, CBO said it would reduce government revenues. In fact, in just the two years after it took effect, it increased them very significantly. And that's typical of what happens. And that's what will happen again, most likely.
SPEAKER 21 :
So this is really I mean, this is not a minor issue. This is a quite significant issue. When you look at you have two people like I'm going to take, for instance, I just mentioned Elon Musk earlier, how he he now is out really saying this is a bad bill. People who voted for it did the wrong thing. And you got Trump, Mike Johnson and members of Congress saying, no, this is we're moving in the right direction. So they're looking at the same thing, but they see it from two different perspectives. In large part, it's because of the CBO score.
SPEAKER 19 :
My guess would be if Elon Musk took five minutes to look at the history of static versus dynamic, he would say, of all people, my gosh, what are you people saying? Of course it's going to have a positive impact from the tax cuts.
SPEAKER 21 :
And that's why, in fact, I'm going to play a clip in just a moment of the House Speaker on my weekend program this week on Capitol Hill talking about that in that looking at what is going to happen to the economy with the tax cuts, we're going to see growth, which means we're going to have more revenue coming in, which means the deficit goes down, which means the debt ultimately comes down.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. In CBO's defense, I have to say, and I pointed this out in my story this morning, CBO is dependent upon Congress by congressional rule. They can only do dynamic scoring on a particular bill when they are specifically requested to do so. That could easily be taken care of with a new rule. So is it time to reevaluate how the CBO works? Absolutely. And there are calls, growing consensus outside of Congress and beginning to be picked up in Congress, to do exactly that, a top-to-bottom Doge-type audit. All right.
SPEAKER 21 :
Folks can see your piece at the Washington stand, right? Yes. We've got two minutes left, Mark Tapscott. Let me ask you this question. Let's talk about the bias. We see this in government. Is there an institutional bias in the CBO?
SPEAKER 19 :
There absolutely is. And the reason is because, as I think Speaker Johnson pointed out a couple of days ago, You have predominantly folks recruited to work at CBO who come from schools, Harvard, Yale, the establishment-type elite schools. And they all come in with a particular perspective. There was a study out from the American Accountability Foundation, Tom Jones, just out that says a number of the folks who work there on the staff are Democratic contributors. And if you've been here in D.C. for a long time, that doesn't surprise you.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, it's kind of... You look at government as a whole. I mean, you look at government as a whole, most agencies, because most of career service people tend to be in that, come from that political alignment perspective.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
So this is I would think, you know, I know the Congress has a big to do list, but this would certainly be up there for future is to to address the issues with CBO.
SPEAKER 19 :
I mean, if they don't do that, we're going to continue to have misunderstandings and Democrats are going to continue to be able to say it's a hammer. It's a hammer. Yeah.
SPEAKER 21 :
And it divides the the conservative needs to be fixed. Yeah. Mark Tapscott, always great to see you. Thanks so much for coming in today. Super. All right, folks, and you can actually see his piece again at the Washington Stand. Again, best way to get that is to have the Stand Firm app because you'll have it right there in the news feed and you'll hear from Mark and all the others. All right, don't go away. We're back after this.
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All right, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us. All right, our word for today comes from Nehemiah 9, where the people, freshly humbled by confession, rise to celebrate God's greatness. Stand up and bless the Lord, your God, from everlasting to everlasting. Blessed be your glorious name, exalted above all blessing and praise. You alone are the Lord. You made the heavens the highest heavens and all their host, the earth and everything on it, the sea and all that is in them. You preserve them all, and the host of heaven worships you. Their praise identifies four unshakable truths. God is God alone. God is the creator of all things. God is the sustainer of all things. God is the one to be worshipped. Now, notice the order. First, they magnified God, his character, his power, his exclusivity. Then, throughout the rest of the chapter, they recount his faithfulness across their history. Adoration precedes reflection, and praise reframes perspective. When we fix our eyes on who God really is, we can trust what God has done and what He will do. So begin your day the same way. Before rehearsing needs or failures, stand up, heart and voice, and bless the Lord from everlasting to everlasting. To join us on our journey through the Bible, text BIBLE to 67742. Well, Senate Republicans met earlier this afternoon. In fact, I think they're still meeting to discuss with President Trump his one big, beautiful bill kicking off what the GOP hopes will be a month long sprint that will end with the president's signature on July the 4th. Now, there's been a lot. That has been said over the last two weeks since it passed through the House. And they've got a lot to navigate through. And a key concern that's been expressed is that the need for more cuts. Well, before Congress returned this week, I discussed some of the more nuanced elements of the bill with House Speaker Mike Johnson on our weekend program this week on Capitol Hill. And because of all this being said today, in fact, I was on the Hill earlier today meeting with the speaker and others. I'd like to share part of that discussion with you before I go to our next guest. So here's part of that conversation from this weekend. This week, you laid out a way forward to kind of satisfy that appetite for cuts with codifying some of the the Doge recommendations.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, that's right. And Stephen Miller in the White House and others have pointed out to some of the folks who said, why aren't more of the Doge cuts in the reconciliation package? You have to remember how the process works. Doge was looking at discretionary savings. There are two categories of federal spending. One is mandatory spending. One is discretionary. The reconciliation package is dealing with the first category, not the latter. So it was not POSSIBLE LITERALLY UNDER THE RULES OF THE SENATE FOR US TO PUT DOJ CUTS IN LARGE MEASURE IN THE RECONCILIATION PACKAGE. SO THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT. THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE SENDS TO US A RECISIONS PACKAGE, RECENDING, BASICALLY CLAWING back money that Congress had already appropriated but was misspent in a number of ways. We've been waiting on those calculations. It took a while to do it. Remember, I mean, there was no playbook for what Elon Musk and Doge were doing. They didn't have a set of procedures to follow. They had to create them as they went. So they had to qualify and then quantify, and now we're ready to codify the changes. So I'm heartened to know that On Tuesday of this next week, the White House will send us the first of what we believe will be several rescissions packages. And this one, everybody's heard by now, is more than $9 billion. And it goes after some of the fraud, waste and abuse. And I think that's a really important step.
SPEAKER 21 :
I think, as the White House has noted in this first rescissions package, we'll be looking at cuts to USAID as well as cuts to NPR and PBS.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, that's right. And a lot of analysis has gone into this, and there's a lot of public scrutiny, rightfully, that has been applied to this. I mean, this is one of the things that's so revolutionary about what Doge has accomplished, what Elon accomplished with his efforts. And, you know, this week on Friday was his last day in office and in his position at Doge. But the work will go forward and continue, because what he's done is he's brought a spotlight— into these agencies, into these bureaucracies that we were never able to see. We got a perspective on it that Congress was never allowed because the bureaucracy was hiding so much data. I mean, Tony, we didn't know, obviously, that Congress was funding transgender operas in Peru and all these other crazy things that were happening under USAID. Elon found it because he cracked the code. He got inside the belly of the beast with his algorithms, and he uncovered it. And we've got to wipe it out. And so this is the first of many steps forward to bring more accountability and efficiency and effectiveness to government spending.
SPEAKER 21 :
Elon Musk's tenure as special government employee officially ended on Friday, and he announced his departure from the Department of Government Efficiency earlier in the week. But before he did, he did this interview last weekend with CBS.
SPEAKER 14 :
I was, like, disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, not just decrease it, and undermines the work that the Doge team is doing. I think a bill can be big or it can be beautiful, but I don't know if it can be both, my personal opinion.
SPEAKER 21 :
Mr. Speaker, can something be both big and beautiful? And, of course, I'm referring to legislation.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, of course it can. As soon as I saw that interview several days ago, I sent a long text message to my good friend Elon to explain to him and make sure that he understands that he was looking at analysis of the bill that was not accurate, right? Everybody's been talking about the CBO analysis in the Joint Tax Committee of our bill. CBO is historically inaccurate. It's run by Democrats. There was an analysis that came out a few weeks ago where it showed that 84 percent of the number crunchers at the Congressional Budget Office are partisan Democrats. They're donors to people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. They're not going to give us a fair score. But the important thing to remember about this is that they do not use dynamic scoring, they use static scoring. In layman's terms, all that means is they don't give us any credit for the growth. Tony, the big beautiful bill is going to be jet fuel to the U.S. economy. It is a pro-growth economy builder. It's going to lower tax rates, lower regulations, incentivize U.S. manufacturing again. When that happens, we know what will be the effect. We already did this in the first Trump administration, had the greatest economy in the history of the world after the first two years, because we cut taxes and cut regulations. Now we're doing it on steroids. So the tremendous growth that will be achieved by this is being totally discounted by CBO. They're saying it will add to the deficit. It's not true. By our calculations, we are going to reduce the deficit because of all the growth that we stimulated. Just watch and see. The critics are going to be wrong. And I want to make sure Elon understood that. This is not a spending bill, right?
SPEAKER 21 :
Look, and I understand that we've had a lot of challenges over the years with legacy media, but we still have challenges even with conservative platforms. I mean, Elon Musk has a huge platform when you look at X. And, you know, business and government doesn't. function the same way. Now, can we improve government? And I think you gave tremendous attaboys to him in the last segment in what DOGE has accomplished. But there is still an understanding that there are some aspects of government that just doesn't work like business.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, that's right. And we ought to endeavor to try to make government work more like a business, but it's just simply two different animals. So we need to bring those principles to bear. We need to bring good financial stewardship. We need to restore fiscal sanity. Doge has taken us a long way in that direction, but that effort will continue. Republicans are in charge right now. We're the fiscal... conservatives, the fiscally responsible people, and we are going to whittle down the nation's debt and get us back on sound footing. But we've got to do it one step at a time. And, you know, I'm really proud of this product. And I think a lot of the analysis is completely off and it will be proven and shown to be true in the days ahead.
SPEAKER 21 :
All right. That was my conversation with House Speaker Mike Johnson over the weekend on my weekend program this week on Capitol Hill that airs on the Salem Radio Network. Well, at this very moment, as I mentioned a few moments ago, President Trump is meeting with Republican senators on the Finance Committee in an effort to rally more support for the big, beautiful bill in the Senate. Here with me now to discuss the president's involvement in the process and where things stand, Phil Wegman, the White House correspondent for Real Clear Politics. Phil, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us today.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thanks for having me and keep a close eye on the Senate Finance Committee because there's a number of Republicans, Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, and Susan Collins, if I'm not mistaken, who have already signaled their displeasure with this one big, beautiful bill. I would love to be a fly on the wall of that meeting between President Trump and that coalition today.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, I don't think you have to be a fly on the wall to hear some of the things coming out of the White House today, especially as it pertains to to Elon Musk's new opposition to the bill and probing. And in effect, I think Axios has reported on this. A lot of his opposition is now due to the to the actual cuts that are in the bill that cut the electric vehicle subsidies.
SPEAKER 03 :
and that is not something that is surprising fiscal hawks on capitol hill right now they know that elon musk has a business to run and of course like any business he would like a subsidy that benefits his bottom line but in this case they see this as someone stepping forward and giving them a bit of breathing room because what elon musk has done by calling this one big beautiful bill an abomination is he has slowed the steady drumbeat out of White House to pass this thing as quickly as possible. Those senators that I mentioned just a second ago, with the exception of Collins, who likely opposes this bill because of changes to Medicaid, they want to see a more fiscally conservative package at the end of all of this. And if you have Elon Musk, who very much was almost in sort of a bromance, that was the word of Sean Hannity of Fox News to describe Elon Musk and Donald Trump. You have someone who's so close to Donald Trump, a former senior White House official, now trashing the bill. Well, that gives them a bit more room to operate to try and make changes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, I think that bromance is over. There's a breakup that's coming there. So there's a time here, there's a timeline in which they're working on So far, they've met the deadlines. This one, I think, is going to be a little more of a challenge. They want it on the president's desk by the July 4th date. But there's also a backdrop here to the fiscal cliff that's coming with the debt ceiling. How's that going to factor in?
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. It adds even more urgency to the work on Capitol Hill. And again, this is one of the deadlines that creates a sense of urgency that forces lawmakers to often take votes that they otherwise wouldn't. This is the way Washington, D.C. works. If you've ever been inside the Capitol around the holidays, people are generally trying to get out of the the District of Columbia right before Christmas. There's often a lot of these barriers, last minute votes. But this one, it's serious. It's a debt ceiling. The United States has to increase its borrowing authority. I think more than anything else, this is going to light a fire. under both Majority Leader Thune and Speaker Mike Johnson. But this is a delicate thing, right? I mean, we know what Donald Trump thinks. Donald Trump thinks that done is beautiful. He would love to see the House package passed today. Already, what we've seen from the White House, though, is they're open to different changes. But again, their argument to either chamber is, at the end of the day, this has to have the votes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, I mean, I would think that the White House is open to any type of negotiations. I mean, he is the master of negotiations. But, Phil, is it just me or it seems a little odd that. Here we have the Senate, which is typically historically not the most conservative body when it comes to fiscal issues, is actually pushing for a more stringent conservative line when it comes to the fiscal issues. I mean, as you said, the Finance Committee, watch them, because you've got Ron Johnson leading the charge there. And he's not alone. He's got enough. He's stated publicly. He has enough to stop this bill. They're actually trying to make it even more conservative in the cuts, which certainly I applaud. But that's going to be a headache, I think, for the speaker trying to get that back through the House.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's a bit ironic, isn't it? Because so often you see the House of Representatives respond to public pressure. They are elected every two years. The Senate is supposed to be the cooling chamber of Democratic fervor. And in this case, what we see from a lot of these Republican senators, at least Democrats, three or four at this point, I think there's half a dozen who have expressed qualms with the House version of the bill, is that they want to see more cuts. One issue that I think sort of exemplifies this is in order to get this bill across the finish line, House leadership had to allow for an increase in the state and local tax deduction something that Trump himself has previously called a handout to Democratic governors. This is something that primarily benefits states on the coast. That was something that the House speaker and his team had to come along on to get the votes of people like New York Representative Mike Lawler. In the Senate, though, there's not a lot of blue state senators who are Republicans. Instead, these are guys, many of whom who might have a bit of a Tea Party resume, and they are serious, and they have told their constituents that they're serious about getting rid of debt and deficits. And so that's why I actually think that this Elon Musk rebuke is more significant. We can question his motivations here, but I was talking to one Senate aide who told me, more than anything, This encourages us to lock in.
SPEAKER 21 :
So I think you're right. We have a separate conversation about what really prompted Elon to raise this. But it's a smokescreen. It's a cover for others to say, hey, wait a minute. Because Elon Musk has a huge platform to speak from. So a lot of people listen when he says things, might not know exactly what's behind it. But your point on the SALT, the state and local tax, that's a huge issue. As you've pointed out, that's what had to be increased to get those blue state Republicans in the House on board the bill who weren't really crazy about the Medicaid, you know, dialing that in when it came to the able-bodied. the Senate, that's not there. So, you know, any tweak that is made there in the Senate, you know, it's going to take some work to get it back through the House.
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Very true. And Speaker Mike Johnson has credibility when he goes to his counterpart, Leader Thune, and says, hey, this is a delicate balance. There's only so much give and take that I can endure here because the numbers are so razor thin in the House. But this is more than just a spending and tax bill. I think that this is a referendum on what the Republican Party actually wants to be. Are they going to be that party that doubles down on building a working class coalition? Or are we going to see them sort of make those appeals to blue collar voters, but in a more Tea Party vein? We're going to learn a lot about the nature of the Republican Party as this thing makes its way through.
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That's a really good observation, Phil. I think you're absolutely right. This is kind of a defining moment. uh phil wagman always great to see you thanks so much for taking time to come on the program today thank you sir all right phil wagman with real clear politics all right folks another reason to be praying we got a lot to pray about all right until next time i leave you with the encouraging words the apostle paul says when you've done everything you can do when you've prayed prepared and taken your stand by all means keep standing
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