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Their home. The hostages have been returned. The peace president has prevailed. Now, with a special edition of the Mike Gallagher Show, here's Mike.
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It is great news indeed, and the joy of the returning hostages continues to reverberate all throughout the world. Welcome in. I want to start with a report from Trey Yinkst over at Fox News Channel. There is this, you know, we live in two sort of parallel universes. There's truth and there's fiction. There's reality and there are lies. And there's a lot of great lies that are told on a regular basis. We have to accept that. propaganda is part and parcel of our discourse. The left thinks that people like me are propagandists. I believe that people over at ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC are propagandists. I suspect you do too. But one of the big lies that has been told over and over again is that Trump, President Trump, is a cruel, evil, maniacal, narcissistic man. Now, Trey Yinkst, the foreign correspondent over at Fox News, has really never been described as very warm and fuzzy towards MAGA. I've seen some criticism that he's received over the past in his reporting. Others can judge that. I don't care one way or the other. But what I did notice... was his acknowledgment. Now, this is a news reporter. This is not an opinion guy, okay? This is a straight news reporter. He's just supposed to be in the field and reporting on the facts. He's a war correspondent. He's the guy that often has a helmet on and a flak jacket, and he's dodging the mortar shells, and is regarded as a really fine war correspondent. Listen to what Fox News reports. Channel's war correspondent said about President Trump and his schedule yesterday in Israel.
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What stood out to me is how much he actually cares about the region and the people here. This is the most powerful man in the world. And yet he purposefully delayed his schedule so he could spend more time with the families of hostages and hostages who had been freed in previous deals. that he supported. And when you think about what this means, it means that you have a leader who is looking toward the future with an understanding of the realities on the ground. And those realities are that Israel is a population of nearly 10 million people. The Gaza Strip is a population of more than 2 million people. And the president has a vision for a future of the Middle East that would not have all of the violence and war that has ravished the Middle East for the past two years, as we've seen inside the Gaza Strip with the death and destruction following a horrific massacre on October 7th. And so this really does feel like a moment of change for the Middle East, an opportunity for countries around the world to come together.
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Of course it does, but it also is showing a side of President Trump. Trey Yinks is exposing a side of Trump that people don't understand exists. He delayed his schedule so that he could spend plenty of time with the families of the hostages for as long as possible. I remember covering one of Trump's campaign rallies back in the day, and he delayed everybody because he wanted to go thank personally every single police officer and first responder who was assigned to duty that day. He went out of his way, not in front of any of the cameras, to shake every one of their hands and pose for pictures with them because that's the kind of guy he is. I wonder if this peace deal—and I asked this question yesterday— I'm going to ask it again today. I wonder if this deal is revealing the successful side of Donald Trump. Whatever you think of the guy, sharp elbows, mean tweets, combative personality, this is a guy who deeply cares. In fact, Greg Gutfeld yesterday on The Five, on Fox News, sort of echoed the theme that I was embarking on yesterday. And that is, where are the never Trumpers today? Where are the Trump haters? What about the no Kings protesters this weekend? Are any of them stopping to take stock and realize that maybe, just maybe, they were wrong about Donald Trump? And Greg takes it a step further. He wants to know if they're willing to apologize.
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I would love for never Trumpers to ask themselves about the possibility that the things that they hated about him are what make him successful. And perhaps you were your ego. was hurt by the fact that he believed that these great things could happen, and he was persistent and relentless and positive, and that just seemed so alien to you. If you think about it, where are his critics today? How small are they? Because I can't see them. Where is Bill Kristol? Where is Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, Gavin Newsom, Vindman? Where are these people? We should do a show on Fox Nation called Where Are They Now? Because I want to know, how do you look in the mirror when you see, after years of mocking people who had faith in this guy, people who risked a lot of stuff to support Trump that you made fun of, the George Takeis of the world that ridiculed him, where are they? Don't you owe the people that you mocked some kind of apology?
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And I don't necessarily believe that an apology is forthcoming or even expected. What I believe is, and I want to see if you agree with me, even quietly, even silently, these Trump haters have to acknowledge they have been largely wrong about the man. And I'm starting to agree with people like Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, who said yesterday on Fox News, the people who will be in the streets this Saturday for the No Kings protest, they are simply people who have a blind rage, a deranged hatred for President Trump. Here's what he said.
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The optics of the No King's Day going to happen with the anti-Trump rally, which I'm kind of curious of what they're going to protest. Here you have a president that literally the world is praising because he's the president of peace. He's literally leading the world now, and yet they're still going to protest him because why? The economy is so bad? Because their streets are safer? Because he's bringing the hostages home? I mean, what are you really protesting against other than just your deranged hatreds towards President Trump?
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What are you protesting against other than your deranged hatred for President Trump? Isn't he right? I don't want to be cruel here. I want to have some grace. I want to have a little bit of decency. But I really do want to ask you, at 800-655-MIKE, as we kick off Tuesday here in the Relief Factor Studios, you tell me what drives you. Hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people to take to the streets Saturday to protest this man right after he achieved the unthinkable. Peace between a ceasefire and peace in the Middle East. Is it just a blind rage? Is it just a deranged hatred, as Mark Wayne Mullen put it yesterday? Or are we missing something here? Give me your take. Give me your thoughts on the people who are unwilling to give Trump the benefit of the doubt ever. 800-655-MIKE. Call or text. I hope you join us. 800-655-6453. Hey, flood the zone. You know me. I love loaded lines. I want to talk to Americans about this bizarre turn of events, this wonderful, joyful occasion to celebrate the release of the hostages, the return of the hostages, peace in the Middle East. And yet what Mark Wayne Mullen refers to as the deranged hatred of Trump. Is it going to get better? Is the tide going to turn or not? I want to find out what you think. Join me, 800-655-MIKE. You know how much I care about family, tradition, and the kind of meals that bring people together. That's why I love telling you about Tri-Tales Premium Beef. They're a fifth-generation ranching family down in Texas, real ranchers, not corporations, and they put together something really special, the Autumn Butcher Box. Now, this box is about more than just dinner. It's about gathering your loved ones, creating memories, and feeding your legacy with beef raised the right way. From their ranch to your table, it's a taste of tradition that reminds us what family meals are supposed to be. And when you order this Autumn Butcher Box between now and October 19th, you get a pound of steak meat as a free bonus. Tri-Tales also still has my favorite cuts with the Gallagher Patriot Box just for you. Get one or both and see what beef is supposed to taste like for yourself. As always, you get free shipping on all first orders and an automatic 10% off. Don't wait. Order the Autumn Butcher Box or my Gallagher Patriot Box today. Go to trybeef.com slash Gallagher. Share in the legacy. Trybeef.com slash Gallagher. That's trybeef.com slash Gallagher.
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They're home. The hostages have been returned. The peace president has prevailed. Now, with a special edition of the Mike Gallagher Show, here's Mike.
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The joy of the hostages being released continues as we bring you into a Tuesday. And there's a lot of other developments that we need to share with you. Today is a National Day of Remembrance for our friend and colleague, Charlie Kirk. I'm in such a weird place right now. I'm feeling a desire to share some grace. I think it's really important to share grace. to exhibit a little bit of grace. Think about today's National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk. I mentioned it to my friend Mark Davis this morning in Dallas, and Mark was shocked that the United States Senate unanimously approved today being a National Day of Remembrance for Charlie. Mark said, unanimous? And of course I looked it up. Yes, every single person member of the U.S. Senate, Democrats and Republicans are honoring Charlie today. Now, look, I know they don't get a big medal for just sort of going along with something that is this decent and this tremendous. But, you know, Florida Senator Rick Scott introduced a resolution to make October 14, 2025, which would have been Charlie's 32nd birthday, it's his 32nd birthday today, a National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk, calling his assassination a devastating loss. Senator Scott said in remarks, Charlie was a good man, a devout husband, father, friend. And every single Republican and Democrat candidate in the Senate, approved the resolution. See, we never talk about times where Republicans and Democrats come together. We're always at war with each other. This week, already, we've heard Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Fetterman, prominent Democrats all, commend and congratulate and praise Trump for this historic peace deal. And I'm just not in a skeptical mood right now. I'm not even in a skeptical mood about Christiane Amanpour. Have you heard this debate? Now, what she said on CNN was pretty dreadful. It led to a huge outpouring of controversy when Christiane Amanpour, the chief international correspondent for CNN, said this.
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People who start to talk to the hostages who've only just been released will find that it will take a long, long time for them to recover physically, but also mentally. It's been a terrible, terrible two years for them because not only are they there, you know, they're probably being treated better than the average Gazan.
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They're probably being treated better than the average Gazan? What? Now, there was such shock and outrage at her casual observation that the men and women and children, those hostage, these brutalizations, the rape, I mean, I can't even physically describe some of the things that I learned when I went to Israel. shortly after the October 7th massacre, and I interviewed victims of the attack, and I saw the video that has not been widely available to the general public, I can't even put into words what some of the acts that they committed against these innocent men, women, and children, because it's so grotesque, and you would be so repulsed, you'd be mad at me for telling you. So I won't. I've got to respect some level of decorum and decency and know that there are men, women, and children listening and watching this show all over the country. So I'm not going to repeat it, but it's so bad, I can't put it into words. I can't say it on this show. And she had the audacity to say that the hostages were treated better than the average person living in Gaza. Now, Here's the point about grace, redemption, maybe some forgiveness. After the outcry over her remarks, she issued an apology. Here's what Christiane Amanpour said.
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Earlier live on air, I spoke about what a day of real joy this is for Israeli families whose loved ones are finally being returned from two years of horrific Hamas captivity and for civilians in Gaza who finally had a reprieve from two years of brutal and deadly war. I noted that for the hostages who are finally home, it'll take a long time for them to recover mentally and physically. But I regret also saying that they might have been treated better than many Gazans because Hamas used these hostages as pawns and bargaining chips. But that was insensitive and it was wrong. From speaking to many former hostages and their families, like everyone, I've been horrified at what Hamas has subjected them to over two long years.
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Now, in a normal time, I think most people would say, good, good for you. You apologized for that awful comment. Let's turn the page and move on. But these are not normal times. And I witnessed a whole bunch of people on my side, people I like, who continued to go scorched earth, on that CNN correspondent. You're reading from a teleprompter. You were forced to say that. You don't mean that apology. You're a lunatic, radical leftist, and you had no business saying that in the first place, and you're still scum. I mean, a lot of that came from people that I really like. I'm not going to mention names because I don't want to pick fights with people on my side of the aisle. But the lack of grace... in this country today, astounds me. Grace is a concept that I not only struggle with, but I am fascinated by. I've shared with you the longtime correspondence I've had for years now with a never-Trumper. And he and I have kind of lost contact over the last year or two. I think it's even too much for him. I've lost friends over Trump. I get it. You have too. You've probably had fissures within your own family. It's a weird time. It's a strange time for politics. But I often have said to that friend of mine, why don't you exhibit any grace towards Trump? You're all hung up on what he said with Access Hollywood or what he did in the past or what he said on the Howard Stern Show. You don't like his tweets. You don't like who he is. But why don't you ever give him any grace? Why can't you extend the grace and the compassion that you think he should have more of? And they can't answer that because there's zero grace. There's zero empathy for anything that Trump or his supporters stand for. That's who these people are on the left. And I would submit to you that the only way anything is going to get better is if we try to meet each other somewhat. We'll never agree on core fundamental principles and issues. I understand that. But when I saw Christiane Amanpour's apology, I was relieved. And I thought, good. Good for her. I don't care that she's reading from a teleprompter. People on TV read everything off a teleprompter. Who cares that it's a teleprompter? How does anybody know that management forced her to apologize? How do you not know that she apologized because she said the wrong thing? And she knows she went too far. I get that she's a leftist. I appreciate that you're going to say she is who she is. But when somebody does the right thing, let them. When somebody corrects something they did, give them a little bit of grace. And to be very blunt, I was really disappointed in watching the way a lot of people, again, who I like, some of whom are friends of mine, just continued to eviscerate her even after her apology. I think that's a problem. I think it's a problem on our side. I don't know what to make of their side. Look, we're going to see millions of people this Saturday marching around after this historic peace deal complaining about the peacemaker. We're going to see people banging pots and pans. We're going to see boomers in the streets of America objecting to the peace president. The same people who screamed free Palestine, who now get what they wanted, are going to bang pots and pans and march around and make fools of themselves because of their blind hatred for one man. They'll never give him credit. They'll never give him grace. They'll never begin to understand him. But we shouldn't be like them. We shouldn't act like they do. We should have some compassion and some grace and some humbleness in our hearts. I believe, and you want to go biblical here, and I'm not equipped to do this, But I truly believe as a Christian that if someone admits to making a mistake and they ask for forgiveness, then we should accept their apology and forgive them and move on. Maybe you think I'm being too Pollyanna. I don't know. Let's find out. Let me turn it over to you here in the Relief Factor studios. I'm back home again in the upstate of South Carolina in the studios of 98.9 WORD, the voice of the Carolinas. We've got a big client appreciation event this afternoon. I'm looking forward to catching up with Tara and Charlie and Bill and Joey and Mark and Steve and the gang and shaking the hands of the many clients who make WORD possible here in the upstate. And I'm... kind of in a joyful spirit, but maybe you think I'm being too soft here. Maybe you don't agree. You heard that apology. Are you going to continue to go scorched earth on Christiane Amanpour because of the mistake she made? Or do you accept her apology? Do you forgive somebody who says they're sorry? I think we've got to, we're forgetting grace. Grace. And we're doing it because we're understandably angry, we're frustrated, we're anxious, we're mad at each other. People are mad all the time. I love the line that, I think it was Reagan who said, I'm a conservative, but I'm just not mad about it. People are angry every day. And it's too much. And it starts with us. We can't expect the boomers who are going to be banging pots and pans this weekend to back off. They're going to do what they do. But it starts with us. It starts in here, in our heart. It starts with ourselves. I wonder if we're going to accept the challenge. What do you think? 800-655-MIKE, 19 past the hour. Come join us here on the Mike Gallagher Show. I want you to flood my phone lines with a conversation about that sense of grace, that spirit of forgiveness, that understanding that grace does matter. We can't change anybody else, but we can change ourselves. And I think the Christiane Amanpour case is an example of a lot of people on our side failing to show that kind of grace. Maybe I'm wrong. Let's find out. Tell me what you think. 800-655-6453. I hope you join us. 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You talked about how you hope to end the war in Ukraine because it might help you get into heaven. How does this help? Does this help?
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You know, I'm being a little cute. I don't think there's anything going to get me in heaven. I think I'm not maybe heaven bound. I may be in heaven right now as we fly in Air Force One. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make heaven. But I've made life a lot better for a lot of people.
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In the Relief Factor studios on Salem News Channel and Salem Radio Network, here's Mike.
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President Trump's remarks aboard Air Force One created some controversy. I was joking around, of course. I don't think there's anything going to get me into heaven. Well, no acts or works are going to get you into heaven. There is something that will get you into heaven. A lot of people sort of playfully suggested President Trump needs better spiritual advisors. But that's President Trump being President Trump. You know, I know why I'm in this sort of mood today, and I think there needs to be some grace extended when there's been a shortage of it. I'm thinking a lot about Erica Kirk today on this National Day of Remembrance for Charlie. It would have been his 32nd birthday. 32 years young. And some monster decided to silence him forever. And Charlie's voice will not be silenced. His message will never, ever be silenced. He's getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom today posthumously. Highest civilian honor. Erica will be there. And remember, when we talk about forgiveness, she forgave the man who murdered her husband. She forgave the man who killed the father of her children. That's what grace looks like. And Turning Point USA put out a video clip that I want to share with you. After we'll play a little bit of it here on the show, we'll make it available through our MyPillow text line. It's powerful. It's beautiful. There's some great images of Charlie and Erica and the kids. And all of it is in Erica's own words.
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When you make that covenant with the Lord on that altar, don't let that fire burn out from the altar. That love is so special and so powerful. You married your soulmate. You married the person who God made for you. He was the perfect father. He was the perfect husband. Charlie always believed that God's design for marriage in the family was absolutely amazing, and it is. It is, and it was the greatest joy of his life. And over and over, he would tell all these young people to come and find their future spouse, become wives and husbands and parents. And the reason why is because he wanted you all to experience what he had and still has. He wanted everyone to bring heaven into this earth through love and joy that comes from raising a family. It's beautiful.
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This video is beautiful. It's a little hard to watch because it's still so fresh. The pain of his assassination is still incredibly raw. the images of Charlie on that video and Erica and the kids are so beautiful. Again, it's hard to watch, but it's also inspirational. Because what those two people had in too brief a period of time was beautiful. And I get that from people who knew them both very, very well. People in their closest circle. And it makes his loss even more devastating. But I keep thinking about her standing there And I was so blessed to be in that arena in Phoenix that day for his memorial. And Erica said, I forgive him. I forgive that young man. That 22-year-old who killed Charlie is the kind of guy that Charlie was trying to reach. Charlie's message, you know, and Erica referenced that. Find your person. Find a spouse. Find your husband or wife. Make babies. Bring children into the world. Seek joy and happiness in God. And they hated him for that. They hated him. That demented 22-year-old hated Charlie for that message because evil hates good. Evil despises good. That video, incidentally, it goes longer. There's a lot of beautiful video images of the Kirk family. If you want us to send that back to you, courtesy of the MyPillow text line, just text the keyword Charlie to 800-655-MIKE. That's 800-655-6453. We'll send you back. That video clip to your smartphone or wherever you get your calls. Standard text messaging rates may apply. Please never text and drive. But it's a beautiful thing to watch. It's about two, two and a half minutes long. Just text the keyword Charlie to 800-655-6453. And we will send that clip back to you. And again, it'll bring a tear to your eye, but it will also fill you with some appreciation. over the beauty of that young man's life and that marriage. It breaks my heart to consider that she's a widow at her age. It hurts my heart. I had somebody a couple weeks after my Denise died, somebody said to me, you're too young to be a widower. And I always remembered him saying that and thinking, yeah, it's kind of weird. It's a strange place to be to lose your spouse. But over years, I've come to treasure every one of the memories that we made together, every moment. I think now of such warmth and fondness over the time that I had with her. And I know that Erica will get there someday. It takes a long time. It takes a long time. It's not easy. It's a terrible journey, and my heart is shattered. I'm gutted knowing that Erica didn't have a chance to say goodbye, at least with, in my case, we were able to say goodbye. You know, she was sick, and we knew what was coming. Anyway, I'm just in kind of that philosophical mood today. Thanks for indulging me. I hope you're okay with it. We've got a lot of breaking news to cover. I want to share with you a beautiful moment last night on CNN, of all places, when our colleague, our Salem Radio Network colleague, Scott Jennings, did something pretty ceremonial that was powerful. I'll share that with you here in just a moment. I also want to share with you the great news about MyPillow because that text line that gives me such great feedback, instant feedback, sponsored by MyPillow. And I appreciate so much what MyPillow offers you. Slippers. I forgot my MySlippers on my trip here to South Carolina. I've got to leave a pair here with Joey and Peg. Those slippers are unbelievable. And I'm not just saying that. I'm not reading copy here. I'm not pulling a teleprompter read here. The MySlippers are magnificent, and they're normally like over $100 a pair, and they're worth every penny of that. But for a limited time, promo code MikeG, $39.98. These slippers have like a memory foam, moccasins, slip-on style. You can wear them indoors, outdoors. I wear them to take out the trash. Joey and Peg wear theirs to take the dogs out. Just an incredible product from Mike Lindell and MyPillow. The Giza Dream Sheets are the smoothest, luxurious, five-star rated hotel kind of sheets. You can get them for 50% off. And for a limited time, the six-piece bath towel set. These are two bath towels, hand towels, washcloths. $39.98. They're normally $69.98. So do yourself a favor. Make it a MyPillow Tuesday. Go to MyPillow.com. Look for that Mike Gallagher box. The Mike Gallagher, Mike Lindell box. It says Mike Gallagher Specials. Click on that square, and then when you place your order, enter the promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Promo code MikeG. Sing along with me. Who?
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I would love for never Trumpers to ask themselves about the possibility that the things that they hated about him are what make him successful. And perhaps you were, your ego was, was hurt by the fact that he believed that these great things could happen, and he was persistent and relentless and positive, and that just seemed so alien to you. If you think about it, where are his critics today? How small are they? Because I can't see them. Where is Bill Kristol? Where is Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, Gavin Newsom, Vindman? Where are these people? We should do a show on Fox Nation called Where Are They Now? Because I want to know, how do you look in the mirror when you see, after years of mocking people who had faith in this guy, people who risked a lot of stuff to support Trump that you made fun of, the George Takeis of the world that ridiculed him, where are they? Don't you owe the people that you mocked some kind of apology?
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There we go again with that concept of grace. Will they ever give us grace? I don't know. Maybe some, maybe many. But as we see people take to the streets Saturday with this stupid, moronic, useless, no-kings protest, all you can do is shake your head at them because they're lost. They got nothing. You know what Trump's going to do Friday? He's going to host the Ukrainian president, Zelensky. He's now set his sights on trying to achieve peace between Ukraine and Russia. So after his big Middle East victory, now he sets his sights on peace in Ukraine. If he achieves that, then what are the Never Trumpers going to say? Then what are the Haters going to do. Greg is right. They're just so small right now. And I don't I'm not trying to spike the football here and make them, you know, I hate to vilify them. But where are they now? Banging pots and pans and screaming about what a fascist he is because he wants cities like Chicago to have less crime. Calling him a dictator because he wants federal troops to help with law enforcement in crime-ravaged cities. Oh, what a terrible thing to do. Guarantee you the crime victims in Chicago appreciate it. I can promise you the crime victims in Los Angeles or Baltimore or Oakland or New York, they appreciate it. But then again, the left never thinks too much about crime victims, do they? They always worry about the criminals. Every single day, it's a joy to remind you that portions of our show are sponsored by MyPillow. As you know, our friend Mike Lindell, big legal victory last week. He's been in a ton of hot water, as you know, because he believes in election integrity. Of course, due to his friendship with President Trump. Well, last week, there was a $5 million vote. judgment against Mike that was overturned by the courts. Good news for MyPillow. So you keep praying for MyPillow, and you keep supporting this great American company. The premium MyPillow, limited time, great price, $18.98. If you go to MyPillow.com, this pillow is a godsend. Look, I bring the MyPillow products with me when I'm on the road. Here at the hotel in Washington State, I've got the MySlippers with me, those unbelievable slippers, because I pat around in the hotel room. I don't know what's on that rug. I bring the MyPillow with me. I roll it up into the suitcase. I've even got my MyPillow loungewear. Tons of great products. If you haven't been to the site in a while, go check it out. Go to MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher specials. Click on that box. And with anything you order, enter the promo code MikeG. Okay. You're going to save big. The slippers, the doggy beds, and the Giza dream sheets. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Like we love to sing.
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From the wild world of D.C. politics to America's culture clash, brace yourself for the reality check you've been waiting for. The one and only Mike Gallagher.
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Saw a headline today that the squad is strangely silent about the Trump peace deal in the Middle East. You do know how much we're lied to, right? You understand that it's all an illusion. All these leftist protesters, free Palestine. Israel's committing a genocide. Well, it ended. So you'd think the happiest people in the world would be Ilhan Omar or Ayanna Pressley or AOC or Zoran Mamdani. You know what Zoran's wife is doing? Publicly mourning the death of of a pro-Hamas terrorist-loving sympathizer. Some character named FAFO got killed. There's such an illusion here. These are a bunch of phonies. You understand the very first people who would be screaming to the heavens about how great this peace deal would be are the ones who were screaming about the genocide. Because it's over. There's peace between Israel and Hamas. Palestinians are pouring back into Gaza. Trump is promising money will be pouring into Gaza to rebuild. And yes, there are reports that Hamas is committing mass executions of dissidents. right now in Gaza. And that's deeply problematic. But the whole idea that the squad, that the radical left wanted peace in the Middle East, if they did, if they truly did, they'd be the loudest in congratulating the United States on this historic achievement. They didn't mean it. They never meant it. It's like the empty promise of trying to fight crime in big cities. It's like promising we don't want crime in Chicago or Baltimore or Cleveland or Detroit. Well, if you don't want crime, why would you reject Trump's efforts to send in troops to help police high crime neighborhoods? They don't want crime to be erased. They don't want crime reduced. They want the chaos. They want the destruction. They want the agony. They're miserable people who wallow in misery. That's their whole DNA. It's in their DNA. They're going to march around Saturday banging pots and pans. Now, they won't be able to scream about Israel's genocide Saturday at the big No Kings protest. But they can certainly complain about efforts to reduce crime in America's cities. But they're not truthful. They're not who they say they are. You think Ilhan Omar or Rashida Tlaib are lovers of peace? Well, if you love peace, you love what Trump accomplished this week. It goes way beyond just hating on Trump. They would be able to qualify, well, we don't like Trump, but at least he got the deal done, and it's wonderful. Praise Allah, they got the genocide over. They ended the genocide. They're not saying a word. It's because they're liars. And the lies go up and down the spectrum. Look at this goofy woman from The View. Back in December, here's what Alyssa Farrah Griffin, I don't know her. I don't care. I wouldn't watch The View if you held me hostage if I was under duress. I would absolutely not watch. Watch 30 seconds of that drivel. The only time I ever hear about The View is when my team gives me a clip or two. And here's a clip that you might find interesting. This is way back in December on ABC's The View.
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If he gets the Israeli hostages out, I promise I will wear a MAGA hat for one day on the show and say, thank you for doing it. She'll knock it right off my head. You have to be able to cheer for wins when they happen and then call out relentlessly the wrongdoing.
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I am told that yesterday when The View aired, she didn't wear a red MAGA hat. Now, when you make a promise like that, you got to do it, right? Well, you do it if you're truthful. You do it if you possess integrity. She never meant it. And if she kind of did mean it in the moment last December, she never thought Trump could accomplish it. So he did. And now she won't. I could be wrong. Maybe she'll be shamed into wearing it. I saw Don Jr. posted it on social media last night. Come on, Alyssa, step up. You said if you freed the hostages, you'd wear your red MAGA hat. And you know Whoopi and Joy and all the rest of those miserable shrews are behind the scenes saying, don't you dare. Don't you dare. You'll be shamed forever if you wear it. Don't you dare. There'll be pictures of you from now to the end of time wearing a MAGA hat. You can't possibly do that. It's because they don't tell the truth. They just don't. They didn't want peace. They didn't want a resolution. They don't want peace between Russia and Ukraine. They don't want crime reduced in our city's neighborhoods. They wallow in victimhood, and they crave the despair and the destruction. The Democrats are a party of destruction and political violence. That's where we are now in October of 2025. 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. We're in the Relief Factor Studios in the upstate of South Carolina. Great to have you here for another episode. I hope you can join us. I want you to hear... and see what Scott Jennings did last night on CNN. Scott, for two years, has worn a yellow ribbon on his lapel of his suit coat. The yellow ribbon, of course, signifying hoping, praying, longing, yearning for the return of the hostages. This is what Scott did last night on that panel with Abby Phillips that he has to suffer through nightly on CNN.
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I've been wearing this pin for two straight years waiting for these hostages to come home. And I've been waiting to take it off. And I'm going to take it off tonight because the 20 people came out. And I met some of the families earlier this year, and I've been following their stories quite closely. And I'm going to replace it. With an American pin, American flag pin, because in my opinion, this was a huge victory for the American people, led by our president. But it was only through the power and the force of will of the president of the United States that 20 people returned to their families, that we have the beginnings of the possibility of a peaceful era in the Middle East, and that maybe a future can be had by millions upon millions of people in a place where it's sometimes hard to visualize a future.
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What a moment. What a big moment. In fact, even the panel that normally yells and jumps on his every word and tries to interrupt everything he says, even they were stunned into silence as he removed that yellow ribbon pin and replaced it with an American flag. So proud to call Scott Jennings my friend and our Salem News, our Salem Radio Network colleague. Wow.
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Mike Gallagher.
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In this enlightening episode, host Rick Hughes delves into the intricate design of the human spirit, soul, and body according to biblical scripture. Through a detailed examination of 1 Thessalonians, Rick identifies the commands and exhortations vital for spiritual growth and community unity. Explore the critical importance of understanding your trichotomous nature and uncover the true essence of your soul—a living, breathing reflection of God’s creation. Listeners are invited to revisit the promises and requisites of a soul fully aligned with God’s will. Rick breaks down common misconceptions, guiding you away from worldly instincts and towards spiritual insight and wisdom. This episode serves as a pivotal reminder of the choices we make that define our spiritual journey. Engage in the significant dialogue concerning the fragility of today's spiritual and national landscape. Learn how spiritual renewal starts within, influencing not just personal salvation but also the moral fabric of our nation. Join us as we explore how being part of God’s invisible pivot can foster unity and resilience against the ever-looming adversities of societal fracturing.
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Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
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Good morning and welcome to the Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and for the next few minutes, stay with me. It won't be long, just 30 minutes, but it's a lot of motivation, inspiration, education, and no manipulation. No con games, no collecting money, no selling you anything, not trying to get you to join it up, fess it up, give it up. We just would like for you to listen, listen up as I try to verify and identify God's plan for your life. If I'm able to do that and you would like to orient and adjust to the plan, you have the free will, the freedom to do that. It's my prayer that you will. The flood line's been coming to you now for 21 years and it's been an amazing time. God's given me the privilege to do this, but I'd like to tell you we got a book that we've revised. It's one of our older books called Understanding Your Soul, and we're going to redo that book, and we're coming out with it in a new format. It should be available by Thanksgiving. So if you'd like to get a copy of it, let us know through the website, rick at rickhughesministries.org, rick at rickhughesministries.org. If you call us, you can always do that. But if you do leave a voicemail, I insist that you speak slowly and distinctly so we can understand what your address is and what you're saying. So many voicemails I get, we can't understand people because it's way too fast. So slow it down very distinctly and give us your name and address, and we'll get that book to you if you want it, because we're going to talk about your soul today. That's really basically what the message is about, dealing with the soul. We all know about that. In 1 Thessalonians 5, 23, here's our verse we want to key on. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly I pray, God, your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless until the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Did you get that? Spirit, soul, and body be preserved. In this particular passage, to give you some background why Paul said what he did, he's just given a series of commands to the royal family there at the church in Thessalonica. beginning on 1 Thessalonians 5, 11, where he said, comfort one another. And then he said, edify each other. And then in verse 12, he states that they should recognize those who labor among them and recognize them with personal love of the work they do. Those are the people that are teaching the word of God, the pastor teachers. In verse 14, we find four different exhortations that are significant in any local congregation. Here's what they are. He said, first, warn those who are causing trouble. Then he said, encourage the faint-hearted. Then he said, support the weak. Then he said, be patient towards all men. I really need to take this verse apart for you, and we're going to do that at a later time, I promise you. In verses 15 through 22, we find some more series of mandates. See that nobody render evil for evil, unto any man, but every one follow that which is good, both among yourselves and to all men. And then he said, rejoice evermore. Then he said, pray without ceasing. Then he said, in everything give thanks. I mean, I can't believe I need to discover this whole thing where you can explain what each one of these words are. 1 Thessalonians 5, 19, quench not the spirit of God. Verse 20, despise not prophesying. Verse 21, prove all things. Hold fast that which is good. And 22, abstain from all appearances of evil. That's 1 Thessalonians 5, beginning of verse 11, going through verse 22. And that's what I want to come back to in the next show or two and break that down for you, and hopefully you'll enjoy that. But as we get near the end of this letter, we find Paul's prayer for those which I read to you earlier. And he said, I pray that the very God of peace sanctify you wholly in your spirit, soul, and body. Paul's prayer, he's recognizing that there are three parts that every believer has. He brought it up. Listen again, I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved, blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The word spirit is the word pneuma, and that's what you have if you're a Christian. You have a living human spirit, indwelled by God the Holy Spirit. Without being saved, you have a dead spirit. You're spiritually dead. And it's impossible to have fellowship with God unless you're born again. I'll show you that in just a minute. And these people have a living human spirit and dwelled by God, the Holy Spirit, They are believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. And then he said the word and your soul, psuche, psuche is the Greek word for it, psuche, your soul. And then he said your body. Your body is the Greek word soma. So as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, you have three parts. The fancy word is your trichotomous, trichotomous. That means you have three distinct parts. The unbeliever is not trichotomous, he's dichotomous, he only has two parts. He has a body, he has a soul, but he does not have a living human spirit. So the non-Christian is minus the human spirit, And thus, that's why he cannot, will not ever have fellowship with God. Listen to John 4, 24. God is a spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. So how are they going to worship God if they don't have a living human spirit? They can't do it. God is a spirit, and those that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. In Matthew 10, 28, we find a verse that says, Fear not them which can kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul, the psuche, but rather feel him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. You know, whenever an airliner declares an emergency to the tower, the air traffic controller will always ask questions about how much fuel they have on board. And interesting enough, he will say this. He will say, how many souls on board? How many souls on board? An air traffic controller asks for souls on board in an emergency to quickly get the total number of living people on an aircraft in case there needs to be a rescue or recovery efforts. And that includes passengers, crew, even infants. The maritime tradition provides a vital, concise piece of information for responders without needing a separate count of passengers, crew, and others. In other words, there were three pilots and two this and one that. No, just how many totally. It also carries a very sobering, respectful tone for a potentially very grave situation. So if this thing crashes and if it goes into the ground, how many souls on board? It's clear now that God made you a living soul. You might want to pinch yourself to find out if you're still alive, but God made you a living soul. It's also clear that God created you a living body. The Bible teaches that God, by his own design, created your body from the dust of the earth, and he gave you life by breathing the breath of life into you and making you a living soul. God's creation of your body is a deliberate and good act, and it's meant to reflect his image so that you can serve him as a unique individual. In Genesis 2, 7, we find this verified. And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. And man became a living soul. There it is. God created your soul. Living soul. And you might have heard me say in past references, the soul will never die. The body will die, but the soul will never die. While it's evident there are many different body types, what is also true is that every body houses a living soul. In fact, the real you is invisible since the soul is not observable to mankind. Only God can see your soul. So it appears that we all have the same soul format though. We have mentality, which God created to give us the ability to think, logic, reason, comprehend. He gave us free will, which is called volition, we can choose. And we also possess a conscience and a self-consciousness. This is why the scriptures tell us that the real person is identified not by what he looks like, but by what he thinks. Proverbs 23, 7, For as he thinketh in his heart, so he is. Did you know one of Satan's objectives is to capture your thoughts? In Proverbs 4, 23, Keep your heart with all diligence, for out of it are the issues of life. One of the main objectives of a new Christian is to change the way he thinks. And this involves a total renovation of the mentality of the soul. Forget not this. Don't forget the soul has mentality. The soul has volition. The soul has a conscience and a self-consciousness. So what does the Bible say we have to change the way we think after we get saved? In Romans 12, two and three, don't be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind so that you may prove what is good and acceptable and perfect will of God. For I say through the grace given unto me to every man that's among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly according as God has dealt to every one of that man the measure of faith. This particular passage I just read to you tells us that a spiritually wise soul does not think like the world thinks. It's a call for you to stay out of cosmic indoctrination and rather to renovate your thoughts in order that we can understand and obey God's will for our lives. The enemy that we face most often is our very own arrogance, such as thinking that we know what's best for our lives. I've seen that many, many times. Even my children, I know what's best for my life, not what the Bible says. Daddy, I know what's best. And when you do that and justify in your own lustful desires, you're in trouble. So the enemy most often is your own arrogance, thinking that you know more than what God knows. Even though God may tell you don't do a certain thing, you do it anyhow because you justify why it's okay. I want you to understand how important it is that you be careful what you feed into your soul's mentality. I just had some lunch. I had a little lasagna, leftover lasagna my wife had. And I enjoyed it. But you have to be careful what you put in your stomach, yes, but you've got to be really careful what you put in your soul's mentality. Notice the secret to having peace in your soul, and you might not realize this, but it's related to what you think. In Isaiah 26 three, you will keep him in perfect peace, whose mind, that's the mentality of the soul, whose mind is stayed on you, thee, because he trusts in you, that's faith rest. So there's the secret to having peace in your life. Faith rest, keeping your mind on the word of God. The mentality of the soul must be programmed to overcome the sin nature's appeal. The natural behavior of the sin nature is to allow the mentality of your soul to justify you being disobedient, not only to man's laws, but to God's laws. But whenever an individual accepts Christ as their Savior, interestingly enough, their past history does not automatically disappear. Those old thoughts, those old desires that you did before you got saved, they must be contained by learning to think differently. Isaiah 43, 18, remember not the former things, neither consider the things of old. So we can always ask the Holy Spirit to make us aware of any sin that's going unnoticed in our life. It's possible that you got involved in something you don't even realize is sin sometimes. In Psalm 139, verse 23, search me, O God, and know my heart. Try me and know my thoughts. And that means look into my soul, see what I'm thinking, and see if there's any wicked way in me and lead me in the way everlasting. The Bible refers to the mentality of the soul as your heart, as well as your mind. There's a couple of different words here. It's in the heart of man that sin takes root. It's in your heart that sin takes root. Mark 7, 21, for from without, out of the heart, out of the heart of men proceeds evil thoughts, adultery, fornication, murder, theft, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness. It all comes out of the heart. The other word for that word heart is the Greek word cardia, K-A-R-D-I-A. That's the English word heart. In medicine, we use the word cardiac or cardiology. That's from the word heart. So actually, the scriptures identify the mentality of our soul with two different type words. One word is the word nous, N-O-U-S. The other is the word heart, K-A-R-D-I-A. The nous refers to the intellect that initiates our thoughts and our attitudes. In Romans 7.23, but I see another law in my members, warring against the laws of my mind, bringing me into captivity to the law of sin, which is in my members. In other words, I've got a sin nature. And so my sin nature is trying to take control of what I think is what he's saying. It's clear from Philippians 2.5 we're to think in our minds exactly the same way that Jesus Christ thought in his mind. That's in Philippians 2.5. Let this same type of thinking, let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus. So the victory over sin in your life is not in the body, but rather in the mind. Comprehending what's taking place in your life requires you understanding what you're dealing with. It's easy to be misled if you don't have some discernment, which is another way of saying spiritual insight. That's what the Bible calls wisdom. Unbelievers, those who have not believed in Christ, are at a disadvantage in the cosmic conflict since their minds are empty. They have no basis to make a correct decision. In Ephesians 4, 17, this I say therefore in testifying the Lord that you do not walk, that's live, don't live like Gentiles live in the vanity of their mind. That word vanity in the original language is pronounced mataotes, and it actually means an emptiness, emptiness. So referring to a soul void, get that word soul void. A soul void is actually a vacuum where the outside pressure is greater than the inside pressure. My daughter one time came home and showed me a science experiment where she took a boiled egg that she had peeled and took a match and dropped it down a Coke bottle and put the boiled egg over the mouth of the Coke. When the match burned up all of the oxygen in the bottle, it was like an invisible finger pushed that egg down through that bottleneck of that Coke that popped in the bottle. That's the outside pressure being greater than the inside pressure. So this is what you have to remember. A soul void is a vacuum in your soul because there's no soul resistance. And the individual has no chance to overcome whatever the cosmic system throws at him. Then we get into soul slavery. And that's a result of ignoring God's advantages and selling yourself into the cosmic system where you become a victim of your own choices, not a victim of your circumstances. Hosea 8, 7 says, they have sown to the wind and they will reap the whirlwind. When God created us, he gave us a soul. And I'm not talking about the rhythm and the blues and the dance and all that sort of stuff. He gave you a soul, which means you have the ability to think and comprehend. Again, he gave you volition, which means he lets you make your decisions. You are the choice maker. Do you know what your choices are? That's a legitimate question I want to ask you today. Do you know what your choices are? I can tell you your first choice is to receive Christ as your Savior. It's the most important decision you'll ever make. What thank you of Christ? Is he or is he not the son of God? Did he or did he not go to the cross and pay for your sins? Will you or will you not believe it and receive him as your savior? You gotta remember that. That's the first and most important thing, okay? When God created you, he gave you that soul. the ability to comprehend, the ability to choose. The second great decision in your soul is your choice to learn what God has provided for you because you're living behind enemy lines in the devil's world. So you need to understand your position in Christ and understand your enemies, and that's critical if you hope to glorify God both in time and eternity. We know we got three enemies, the world, the flesh, and the devil. And if you're going to win this war, you've got to be able to overcome what they throw at you. So listen to what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 1.10. I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no division among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and the same judgment. Did you get that? What he's telling them is you're fractured in your soul in your congregation. Your congregation has a soul fracture. You're not all speaking the same thing. There's divisions. Some of you on this side of the park and some of you on the other side of the park. But the Bible says a Christian needs to be perfectly joined together in the same mind. We need to have the same thought content. What is that? It's the mind of Christ. This simply means that unless they're all on the same page mentally, there would be no hope of keeping that church bound together. And by the way, this is one way Satan can destroy a local congregation, by getting people into conflicting viewpoints. This is also exactly how Satan fractures a nation such as the United States of America. And I think we can see that in our current history, We definitely have a fractured nation. We don't all speak the same thing, and there are certainly divisions among us since we don't all think the same things. The number one national problem in our country is a fractured soul. What used to be considered evil is now considered good, and what used to be thought of as good is now considered evil. Social issues are now more prominent than spiritual issues. Do you hear that? Social issues are now more prominent than spiritual issues. The word of God is ignored in many different households and sometimes even in churches. And different thinking leads to different agendas. Even more disturbing is that many pastors today are now performers using antics that are just absolutely disgusting. You are the only one who can reverse the trend in this nation. You are the only one to patch up the crack in our soul in the nation. Not by electing a certain individual, that's not the answer, but by electing to take your very own spiritual life to the highest level possible. Then and only then will you be able to consider that you are part of the invisible pivot that God's going to use to deliver this nation from what's coming. That what's coming is a battle for the soul of America. And it's just starting. I promise you, it's just starting. Praise God for those in leadership who understand what I'm talking about. Hosea says, who is wise? Hosea 14.9. Who is wise? And who shall understand these things? Prudent is he that knows them, for the ways of the Lord are right, and the just shall walk in them, but the transgressors shall fall therein. Are you one of the wise people that God's speaking about there? That's my thought for you today. Do you have enough doctrine in your soul to determine what is right and what is wrong? Have you been lured into some sort of emotional Christianity where you believe that if you just go to church and get the joy, joy, joy down in your heart that you're having a worshiping experience? Unless you're learning and applying God's word in your life, you're going to have a stunted soul, a stunted soul. Your soul's never gonna grow up. Because your soul was designed by God to have information. That's what your conscience is about, where you store your norms and standards. You're supposed to have norms and standards, starting with your parents, where they teach you don't do this and don't do that. Brush your teeth, comb your hair, take a bath. Don't act like that, don't say that. Your parents are giving you norms and standards. If you don't get that, then you grow up just a uncontrollable soul, a person that has no norms and standards, a person that'll do whatever they want to do and think they get away with it. That's what's happening in America today. We have a fractured congregation of people in this nation. whose soul has no norms and standards because it's been eaten by scar tissue. Scar tissue means their hearts are hard. There are people in this country that'll kill you and not think twice about it, laugh about it, drive by in a car, shoot a bunch of bullets out of the car, spray gunfire everywhere and kill. It doesn't make any difference who they kill. That's a bad soul. We have to get that changed. Only one way to do it, not elect a certain politician, not send in the military. There's got to be a soul revival. There's got to be a soul awakening. There's got to be a changing of the soul for America. That has to happen with you, starts with you. As goes your spiritual life, so goes the future of this country. So how is your soul today? Do you have a bitter soul? Do you have an embattled soul? Do you have a wounded soul? Or are you growing in the grace and the knowledge of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Do you have a strong soul? Do you have doctrine in your soul? Do you have the filling of the Holy Spirit? Do you understand that? And do you understand the call to the gospel and how to share it with other individuals? That's what we're going to need. That's what you must do. You must be that individual who God uses to heal the fractured soul of America. And you must be prepared to do whatever it takes. Don't be dumb. Don't be stupid. But be faithful. Be faithful. And the Lord will guide you. He will direct your path. He will show you what he wants you to do and how he wants you to do it. But remember this, God uses prepared people. He doesn't use idiots. And if you think you can make it up, you can't make up God's plan. If you don't know it, he's not going to use you. He doesn't need you confusing the issue. He doesn't need you telling somebody in order to get saved, you got to quit smoking. In order to get saved, you got to repent of all your sins. That's crazy. You can't do that. It's impossible. Besides that, the word repent means to change your mind, not feel sorry about what you've done. You can tell God you're not gonna sin again, but you will, because you have a genetically formed sin nature. So you've got to understand what the Bible teaches, and then teach it correctly, give it correctly, and let your friends know, let your neighbors know that God loves them, he has a wonderful plan for their life, and that plan starts with them believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. That's the only thing that will salvage this nation. That's the only thing that will put together this fractured nation. is the Word of God. So I hope you're listening. I pray you're paying attention. And I pray you'll come back next week, same time, same time. Until then, this is your host, Rick Hughes, saying thank you for listening to The Flatline.
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Thank you for listening to The Floodline with your host, Rick Hughes. If you'd like to contact Rick, please write to him at P.O. Box 100, Cropwell, Alabama, 35054, or online at www.rickhughesministries.org.
In this episode of Rush to Reason, John and Richard Rush delve into the exciting updates and features of the 2025 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro. This formidable vehicle is equipped with a range of enhancements designed for off-road enthusiasts. From its redesigned styling to its advanced hybrid powertrain, discover what makes this truck a standout in its segment.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Also that time when we play drive radio as well because we do car reviews on a weekly basis. Richard, what have you driven lately?
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Yeah, Dad, so I drove a pretty fun car, or I should say a truck. I'm going to misstate it. A 2025 Toyota Tacoma. This was the TRD Pro model. And I've got the window sticker that I'm going to pull up here real quick. And, Dad, this is a fantastic little truck, right? They redesigned this truck. I believe it was this year, if I'm not mistaken. And they've made a lot of improvements, right? They changed the styling. They updated the interior. It looks like a lot of the other, you know, Toyota trucks and SUVs and all those different things out there. And what I would say is this, that this vehicle is right in line with a lot of these other midsize trucks, right? This is in line with a lot of the other manufacturers that, however, this model specifically, which again is the TRD Pro model, is made to basically be bought specifically And then driven off-road, the minute that you buy it on the lot, you don't have to add a whole lot to it. You don't have to change a whole lot to it, right? It comes with everything. For example, it's got trimmed and heated, ventilated performance front seats. The front seats that actually have, like, shock.
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Oh, those are cool. I actually wanted to see those. I had a crazy week where I would have seen those personally, but I wanted to see those.
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Yeah. And they include a little hand pump, and you can basically change it to on-road, off-road. You can set the settings. It's got two different shock dampeners on each side, so it's the front and back motion and the side-to-side motion. And again, all that's included. It's got a TRD Pro heated steering wheel. It's got the 10-speaker sound system. It's also got the JBL system or the little mini speaker that you can kind of pop out as a Bluetooth option that you can take and do what you need to. Underneath the hood, Dad, this is probably the best thing, especially for our altitude. It's got the i-Force Max 2.4-liter four-cylinder turbocharged hybrid powertrain, along with the eight-speed automatic transmission. It's got the four-wheel drive demand, part-time 4x4 system, TRD-tuned Fox. internal bypass shocks, electronically controlled locking differential, and I can sit here and go on and on. Folks, I think you can see this thing is made to be bought and then driven off-road. And, Dad, you and I were talking kind of last week, I should say, when we had this vehicle, that this is sort of becoming a very popular segment of the market, which is these off-road-tuned or off-road-capable midsize trucks, and we'll get to the price here in a second, that people basically can buy and they don't have to do a whole lot, too.
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Exactly. No. And for those of you listening in our area, one of the hottest trucks probably still sold in our area. Resale value because of that, I should say. Resale value very high. One of the few vehicles, Richard, that you can buy that you really don't lose a lot of money on when it's all said and done.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, Dad, you can buy these vehicles, you know, again, obviously there was the older V6 editions of these that, you know, they had 200,000 miles on them, Dad, and they were still about 60% of the value of when you bought them, right? These things just really stand up to the test of time. This vehicle, as it sits, Dad, because people are going to want to know, 67,410. And so, yes, folks, a Toyota Tacoma is 67,000. However, if you compare that to the competition, Dad, with how they are outfitted and everything else, and this is not... a standard Tacoma, right? I just want to make sure that people know that this vehicle is not just your run of the mill, you even limited whatever it might be. This is an off road variant that they are, you know, kind of a special edition. And like you said, that those special editions at times and not special in the sense of, you know, they're making a limited run, but just special with a lot of the features that are on there. they tend to do better in the resale market. And on this vehicle, which like we talked about, we've driven other models, I can say, Dad, that this thing runs well. It looks fantastic. It was a really pretty kind of sand brown color to it. They've got some different fenders on it, which are nice. It's got some steel bump steel bumpers that make it great, some different colors. It's just this vehicle stands out in the right ways, and I would encourage folks that if you're interested to go check it out because, again, yes, is that price point high? Yes, but if you were to go buy a standard Tacoma, Dad, and then outfit it the way that you maybe would want to, you're probably in the same ballpark, and obviously you did that for years.
SPEAKER 01 :
you know when you can when it comes to outfitting these vehicles it can it can get expensive oh yeah no your aftermarket bill gets extremely high and by the way much higher than it even used to be a lot of that now is included from the factory and again you can still personalize after that if you want to do you know certain things that you know give you that ability as well but no to your point richard taking a stock truck, turning it into something that in this case is already done for you. The already done for you is still the cheapest way. And on top of that, you get all the warranty that comes from the factory along with it.
SPEAKER 02 :
I was just going to say, you get the factory warranty. You're not going to get any questions about it, what went on, anything like that. And again, Dad, the nice thing that they've done is there's really not a whole lot of options on this vehicle. They've given you a towing technology package, which includes wireless camera system. You've got courtesy delivery, rear differential skid plate, some things like that. Real quick, Dad, fuel economy, 22 and 24 for 23. About the only real negative I can have on this vehicle, and it's more of just you've just kind of got to get used to it, it's got a pretty small fuel tank. So I was actually less than 300 miles of range in terms of when I was actually able to drive it. So I had to kind of fill up midweek just because the average driving around Colorado that folks know, you're going further than maybe you are in other markets. But is that something that will prevent me from buying this vehicle? No. And again, if you're looking to buy something that can go off-road, can do a little bit of minor towing, some things of that nature, I would highly recommend this vehicle. And honestly, Dad, I would say to... Anyone who's interested, maybe you've seen this vehicle, you've admired it from afar, head to your local Toyota dealer, test drive them, see what they've got on the lot, and I would encourage you to really get your friends and your family in it because I think that you'll be really pleased with what Toyota's done. Again, 2025 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro. Let them know that John and Richard Rush from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you.
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In this captivating episode, we dive into a series of bizarre and fascinating stories straight from the Sunshine State. From a man threatening Home Depot patrons with stolen detergent to another creating a fortress of tires, Florida shines yet again with its array of unique happenings. We also explore the surprising tale of an attack over a Chili's dinner disagreement, followed by the baffling account of a drive-by 'cheeseburgering' incident outside a gentlemen's club. Each story provides a glimpse into the peculiar yet intriguing world of Florida men who never fail to entertain.
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SPEAKER 10 :
Let's see. A Florida man claimed that he had a bomb at Home Depot. But it wasn't a bomb. It was just some detergent. Literally stolen Tide bottles. That's all that it was. It's so disappointing. I'm kidding. 37-year-old Florida man Timothy Aviles is accused of making a bomb threat at Home Depot. He said he had an explosive device in his backpack, but instead authorities only found Tide bottles. So he's in trouble because he was threatening everyone with a fake bomb. And you have to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the article to find out that he was accused of stealing $25 worth of items because nobody at the Florida Sun-Sentinel can write a story where they have the lead balanced and give you all the information you need in the first paragraph like they're supposed to. So he's charged with making a one-count false report. And a bond set at $7,500. And he was also told to stay away from Home Depot.
SPEAKER 1 :
$7,500.
SPEAKER 10 :
$7,500. That's... For the false, that's pretty crazy. Let's see here. This... Oh, I don't want to do the sad dog one. Oh, no, no, no. Let's instead talk about a Florida man who built a fortress of tires around his Marion County property. Yeah, he apparently built... it's a black fortress. It's walls are made of stacks and stacks and stacks of all kinds of tires, over 1500 tires. Um, actually maybe up to 2000 tires. The guy, Derek people surrounded his entire property with stacks of tires, each tires filled with dirt, mulch, and even horse manure. And he began lining his driveway, uh, with them too. And, uh,
SPEAKER 04 :
the it's kind of funny it it's yeah that it's apparently what came well the story i mean in the story it shows because if i was a neighbor i'd be really upset because when these things fill up with water it becomes this breeding ground for mosquitoes mosquitoes it even attracts rats because of the scraps they were throwing in there so yeah i'd be a little upset about apparently i didn't realize they have like an issue in this area with tire disposal why they should just probably send them to What, Minnesota? So that Tim Walls and his wife can smell it.
SPEAKER 10 :
In the scrap heap that's down there in this area, since by the 2000s, they had 300 million used tires thrown on that annually. That's insane. And they fill up with rainwater, and as you said, it creates all this stuff. So this guy has this way to, I don't know if it's going to be helpful, like I said, but that's what he ended up doing. Let's see here. We also, oh no, we already read that one. Yeah, Tim Walz does love, his wife loves the smell of the burning tires. That's true. This Florida man attacked his wife because she wouldn't go to Chili's with him. Florida man with a prior battery conviction was arrested because he attacked his wife inside of their home because she would not go to Chili's for dinner. And they got that queso that's delicious at Chili's. So she contacted Marion County Sheriff's Office last week and she told them that her husband, 56-year-old Jerome Valia, had battered her. She said that he got upset and began to yell because she was like, I don't want to eat at Chili's. Now, normally, women are like, I don't know, where do you want to eat? At least she had a place that she didn't want to go to eat. But she said that he began throwing items inside their bedroom. And then he grabbed her by the back of her head and hit her, all this stuff. And so... She noted they noted in the report she was screaming for help and she did have bruising. So he was arrested. He's scheduled to appear in court this week. He was booked in a Marion County jail. He posted bond and he's got a lot of charges that he's facing. I mean, there probably are more restaurants than Chili's around. I'm just saying that you don't have to resort to. Not talking about this one as well. Also not talking about this one. Also, everybody, we did read the thermos up the rectum story. We do not need that sent anymore.
SPEAKER 04 :
I just put one in Slack for you.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think 19 times in the past couple of days, 19 times. I mean, I appreciate everybody's eye. And then also, what is a cheeseburgering incident?
SPEAKER 04 :
It's a drive-by cheeseburgering incident.
SPEAKER 10 :
Florida man was arrested. I don't. OK, so. A drive by cheeseburger and I'm reading this piece. They said it happened with the Atlantis Gentleman's Club. Oh, a former strip club employee. He was arrested for a drive-by cheeseburgering outside of the establishment. So apparently, what, you throw food at a place and that's what it... Why would you do that to a perfectly good cheeseburger?
SPEAKER 04 :
That sounds delicious. That's where you go to learn how to be a gentleman, right? Yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER 10 :
At the Gentleman's Club? They do lessons. They do gentleman lessons there at the Gentleman's Club. That's right. That's important. Yeah, it's like cotillion, right? You learn, you get your gentleman's lessons there. Sure, we'll take that. We got more on the way. Third hour coming up. Don't go anywhere. More of the program coming up. Our partners that bring you the program, the folks at All Family Pharmacy. Love the folks at All Family Pharmacy. I actually had to use them again. So my son who is in college ended up getting strep throat. And he was able to get medication in there, but I wanted to be able to get him something that helps his throat, right? You can get, I think it's like, I can't pronounce it properly. It's like Benzonatate or whatever. You know what it is, Cain. This is one of the things you can get at All Family Pharmacy. You go in, you fill out, you pick what you need, you answer some questions, the doctor reviews your request. issues of prescription and your medicines are sent in as fast as like two to four days or overnighted in a pinch if you need it. And they have literally everything. NAD Plus, they have ivermectin. They've got all of the antibiotics that you need. The azithromycin, the amoxicillin, stuff I can't pronounce. A lot of things I can't pronounce. Your everyday medications, emergency kits, everything. Ladies, you can get Latisse for your eyelashes. So you don't have to worry about doing the tube and mascara or getting them extensions. You get you some Latisse at All Family Pharmacy. I mean, literally everything. Here's the other part that I love. Everything is made in the USA. I don't know of any other pharmacy where you are getting all the precursors for this stuff and the final product, all USA made. You can stock up today at allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana, where I am a huge customer. And I use my own name, Dana10 as my code, because that's how you get 10% off. Allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana, code Dana10 for 10% off.
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SPEAKER 10 :
so um i don't want to be anywhere near alec baldwin when he's on a range or behind a range rover so what do we play first kane because we got to set it up for the people welcome back bottom of the second hour so 27 is the incident as reported well but there's there's there's the his version and then there's the recorded version Now, before we play it for the people, Alec Baldwin was driving his Land Rover wrongly, I think. And he ended up, what did he hit? I thought he just hit a tree a bit.
SPEAKER 04 :
He hit a mailbox too? Big fat tree. Yeah, and I think he also took out a mailbox.
SPEAKER 10 :
He really doesn't know what he hit, does he? He was with his brother. Have you processed that, Cain? His brother is the father-in-law of Justin Bieber.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm today years old. Today years old.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. So he crashed his Range Rover. Is this him talking about it? I know we get the CCTV footage, too. So this is the story of it. Go ahead and play this. And then, oh, boy. Crashed his car right into a tree in the Hamptons. And you're like, how in the world? That's him and his brother. So that's Justin Bieber's father-in-law, Cain. Yeah. So, I don't know what they're... Crashed it into a tree. Now, he was asked what happened. What did he say? That he tried to blame a trash truck?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. He didn't want to bore us with the details. But this is what he said about it.
SPEAKER 02 :
But this morning I was in this car accident, guy cut me off in a truck, big garbage truck, I mean a garbage truck the size of a whale. I've never seen a garbage truck, it must have been something commercial for like taking away material from construction or something. It was the biggest garbage truck I've ever seen. Anyway, I won't go into the details now and bore you, but to avoid hitting him, I... I hit a tree. I hit a big fat tree and crushed my car, my wife's car. I crushed my wife's car. I feel bad about that, but it's all fine and I'm fine and my brother's fine and blah, blah, blah. Congratulations to everybody on the film festival.
SPEAKER 10 :
Now, yeah, so he said it was a big garbage truck that caused him to crash his wife's car. And you had the CCTV footage. So this was like a security... camera that ended up capturing some of this of what happened and i guess you could say the road conditions were what what road conditions yeah you can kind of see the roads were a little wet there and this is the front of this giant whale-sized commercial so that's the trash you know of any non-commercial trash trucks but anyway yeah i know it's not like a private citizen's trash truck so this is it happening So this is them driving. This is the front of the trash truck driving down the road.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's already going straight down the road. No problems, no problems. Then all of a sudden look to the right of the screen.
SPEAKER 10 :
So I honestly think that I feel like Alec Baldwin drove like an idiot, I think. Because if you have a trash truck in front of you, guys, you're on a two lane road like this. If you're, unless you're riding its backside, which it seemed like you kind of may have been, and this is just me, you know, looking at the footage. If you're on, let's just use our brains. If you're on a two-lane road and you're behind a trash truck and there's trash cans on the side of the road, smart people go, huh, that trash truck is probably going to stop and pick up those people's trash. Just saying. That probably is how it's going to go, right? So the trash truck did what trash trucks do, and it looked like he was just a regular. Has he never, ever been outside of his, like, gilded temple, his gilded palace, his castle? I don't know. His whatever, wherever his giant high horse is. Has he never been outside of his gilded cage? I don't know.
SPEAKER 04 :
How you say compound.
SPEAKER 10 :
How you say compound, his wife. How you say cool compound. Well, you were born in Boston, Hillary. You're Irish. You tell us. So it and that tree that that car hit the tree that it seemed like he just ran right into it. He to me, it seemed like if you could not even break and you were going that fast when you hit a tree, you probably may not have been paying attention. That's just me. No one was injured. And there apparently wasn't a summons issued because he never gets in trouble. I mean, you know how Trump joked about how he could shoot someone in Manhattan and get away with it? Well, Alec Baldwin can shoot someone on a movie set and get away with it. So there you go. I'm just saying. So to me, I'm like, how do you not – I just don't understand how you –
SPEAKER 04 :
do that you're behind a trash truck i'm going to offer a potential definition of what we saw okay that may be more in line with what alec baldwin was saying now this trash truck took a right turn on this two-lane road now he alec could have been traveling fast which it appears he was traveling probably faster than he should have been and it looks like the trash truck noticed him approaching from behind quickly and was wanting to get out of the way so that he could pass but it was already too late because alec baldwin decided to go to the right of the truck to avoid the truck and then when the truck went more right alec was pushed off into the yard area and ran into that tree.
SPEAKER 10 :
I just think it was collecting trash, and he was like, I don't, I mean.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know, but if you look at the video, I don't see any trash cans near there. I mean, maybe, but it looked like the truck was.
SPEAKER 10 :
Then he had to have been riding so close he couldn't stop. Sorry, but unless he was going to be a doucher and pass on the shoulder.
SPEAKER 04 :
He was traveling fast while that truck was making a right.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think he was going to pass on the shoulder.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I think that was the original.
SPEAKER 10 :
Like a dangerous D-bag. That's what I think he was doing. I don't understand the speed. I can't tell you how many times I've been behind a trash truck or whatever. A giant commercial vehicle. I've never seen these commercial vehicles before. Oh, my gosh. What is the matter with you? You and your wife are nuts. But I've never, and I've been behind them on two-lane roads where you've had to stop. They get trash or whatever. That's just the nature of it. You never, I don't care what, even if they're not stopping, you just always want to give yourself time to put your brakes on.
SPEAKER 04 :
And if you see a truck that size, you know that they're not speedy. or quick, these trucks, anyway, no matter what the situation. So if you see ahead of you, one is making a right and going to be in your lane, you're going to immediately want to slow down, immediately, not try and pass it, like you said, some D-bag would. That's just public safety.
SPEAKER 10 :
I'm curious as to what Juan thinks, because Juan's Mr. Careful over there. I can't imagine Juan driving his car like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, he would slow down. Juan's got new wheels, too. They're slick. Juan looks ahead, and he sees what kind of obstacles are potentially there because that's what normal people do.
SPEAKER 10 :
He is not a normal person. He seems like he's an entitled lunatic. That's what he seems like. I just, yeah, drives his wife's Range Rover. And then he's, oh, it's not a big, because clearly this is going to be his fault. And they have photos too that they've taken. And I just don't, I'm sorry. I'm looking at the photos and I'm just like, I don't get how. This is not, by the way, this is a regular trash truck. There's a picture of the trash truck. I just, it's a regular trash truck. What is he talking about? What kind of lunatic is like, I've never seen a trash truck before. Our trash trucks look like this. These are just regular trash trucks. You absolute lunatic. They're regular trash trucks. In my estimation, in my opinion, he was driving like a D-bag because he's a D-bag lunatic who has a temper issue. And his anger issues. And he, I think, maybe thought he was going to pass this dude on the right and couldn't do it and ran into a damn tree. That's what it seems like. Because this is a regular trash truck. Listening to him, just throw that up there if you can see. I tried to, I think I put the image up there. Yeah. Kane, that's a trash truck in your neighborhood.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's exactly the one that looks like the one Trump drove during his campaign.
SPEAKER 10 :
It looks just like the one. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 04 :
Same size.
SPEAKER 10 :
Juan is showing you now right now. Look at that. Look at that. That is a regular trash truck.
SPEAKER 04 :
Big as a whale.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's as big as a whale. I've never seen a trash truck so big, said Alec Baldwin. It seemed like he was going to pass him on the right. That is exact. I mean, I just can't. But for and for him to go on like like to intimate that it was the trash trucks problem for being an unusual trash truck. This guy's a nut. Can you imagine being their neighbors or having anything to do with them at all whatsoever? They're so weird. They're just so weird. People like he has a perpetual grudge and she wants to be famous. I just I don't get it. So yeah, it cut him off. You're behind it. How did it cut you off? You're behind the damn thing. None of this makes sense. I didn't pull the trigger. It just magically appeared in her chest. What?
SPEAKER 04 :
Do you magically, like, for example, do you have more attention when the roads are wet? Like, are you more careful? Or do you still drive as recklessly as you want on dry pavement as it is when it's wet? Like, why don't you exercise more, as Alec Baldwin, a little more safety precautions when the pavement's wet?
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree. But I completely agree with you, and I think you're right. It just seems like another example of him not wanting to take accountability. It's always everything else's fault. That truck that I was following too closely from behind probably cut me off. Oh, my gosh. If you were anybody else, you would probably have been cited, especially if that was somebody's property. It seemed like that wasn't in somebody's front yard. Good night. Just stupid. Just stupid. Like there's no reason for it. How you say cucumber? Kel-Tec, the KS7 Gen 2 shotgun, one of the somewhat new ones that Kel-Tec has come out with based in Florida, a family-owned company. The KS7 Gen 2, packed with upgrades. You've got a five-slot Picatinny-style rail. Underneath, you can add vertical grips, lights, keep it flush and sleek with a cap, however you want to do it. It's a smooth pump-action shotgun, smoother and for faster, cleaner cycling, plus enhanced durability. Ultra-lightweight at just under 7 pounds unloaded. Compact bullpup design, so you have maneuverability in tight spaces, ambidextrous downward shell ejection, and a 7 plus 1 capacity as well. And you can also get the KS7 Gen 2 Defender Package. See more of those details on keltecweapons.com for all of those specs. And its MSRP is only $639, so it's affordable, bringing advanced performance well within reach. It's from Keltec, K-E-L-T-E-C weapons.com. It's the KS7 Gen 2 from Kel-Tec Weapons based in Florida. Keltecweapons.com. Tell them Dana sent you.
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 10 :
We mentioned this earlier. Hamas terrorists have been publicly executing other Gazans in Gaza, you know, because they keep on genociding. Big Tish, she's going to headline a rally for Mamdani, the guy whose wife was mourning the loss of some of the October 7th terrorists. A big tish who, of course, has her own problems with harboring fugitives in a house in which she committed mortgage fraud. What? She's headlining this rally. She says she knows that she and Mr. Ma'am Donnie, because they have to always be victims. They know what it's like to be threatened and harassed. So that's why she's going to. She said that it's important that she speaks and stands with him on this because they're the real victims on this and all. You know, Lil Sosh and Big Tish. Sounds like a horrible duo, like rap duo name. Oh my gosh. Apparently something's poisoning dolphin brains near Miami and it could be an Alzheimer's warning for humans. I'm also wondering if it's affecting some of the left. It's a study. They're asking what nobody knows. They're asking what's poisoning. Nobody knows. It's a clickbait headline. That's absolutely stupid and mind numbing to read. But they're talking about Indian River Lagoon. They have a brain toxin that's named after some numbers and letters. Toxin levels were roughly 3000 times higher during the algae bloom months. I don't like the word algae bloom. That just sounds slimy. They said dolphins brain showed the same Alzheimer's related proteins and gene activity seen humans and humans. They may be warning us about a neurotoxin risk. You think? Great job coming to that conclusion. If the dolphins are being affected, probably other things, including people, will too. Americans are not going to be charged extra to recline their seats on flights in a major cabin shakeup. I don't even know why. Honestly, airlines are such a scam. They really are. It's aviation experts are slamming it. WestJet, for instance, they're being modernized and they're catering to people who have different budgets. And so now you are going to be charged on WestJet. You're going to apparently be charged if you lean your seat back. Oh, can we arrest people then if they take their shoes off on the flight? If it's not a red eye, if it's not longer than two hours, don't be doing that. Stick with us more in store. Speaking of Portland and... Oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm talking about this story. This is so gross. I talked about this on Waters yesterday. Just imagine... No, don't imagine it. What's the weather in Portland, Kane? Like, what's the temps out there? I thought it was cold up in Portland. I mean, judging by some of what was seen, it had to have been pretty chilly. So the Portland bike riders, they all got naked. I don't want to ask if you saw it. They decided they have a naked bike ride. And then at one point to protest, I don't remember, they all put their bikes down and laid in the middle of the road. Did you see that? I did. Like a score of fat naked people just laying all on the road.
SPEAKER 04 :
Horribly nude die-in. Like very uncomfortably nude. They call it a die-in. They were all outside, but they were all at a die-in.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wait, a die-in? That's so dumb. That's so dumb. They were demonstrating against federal troops. And how did they... I mean, the photos are so bad. Oh, my gosh. How did they... Okay, I have a question. I don't understand the people who are naked and then they wore a clear poncho. Right? What's the point of that? It doesn't make any sense to me. So they apparently do this. They have the naked bike ride, apparently. I don't know. Every year, I'm learning about that today. And it's a tradition. Oh, for the love. And... I'm going to try to get through. It's always nasty as people. All the photos look like they smell like feet. It's just so bad. It just smells like feet and dirty old public bathroom. That's what it smells like. That's what the photos look like they smell like. Anyway, they usually do this, but they decided to make it happen later. And they said they called another nude ride so they could protest the president sending in the National Guard to protect the federal buildings that these nut jobs keep attacking. And so they decided to protest like that. And then they got off their bikes at one point and laid down on the pavement in a quote-unquote die-in. Why can't they just do what normal people do if they're dissatisfied? If you're dissatisfied, you lodge a complaint. Or if you feel that you must protest, you don't go and show the whole albatross, I don't know, out to the world. I don't even think it's a question of humility. I don't think that there's any self-awareness of any of these individuals, really. But there are certain things that it's like Seinfeld. It is literally a Seinfeld episode. There are certain things that you should just not do when you're naked. And that's the correct pronunciation. Again, speak in God's tongue. That's Southern Missouri. N-E-K-K-I-D. There are certain things that you shouldn't do when you are unclothed, like crouching, kicking, things like that, riding a bike. Riding a bike? I hate riding bikes. Well, I take it back. When I was a kid, it was fun. Now I'm like, why am I doing this? And I don't like... I have an issue with rude bicyclists. The ones who realize that, you know, there are bike lanes and they've discovered them. I have less of a problem with those people. But this looked... Can you imagine Kane being behind not just a bicyclist, but a naked, chonky bicyclist? Which most of these people probably don't ride bikes, judging just visually.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I don't want to imagine that. And... I don't like the fact that you've now put that visual.
SPEAKER 10 :
How is that not indecent exposure? If you're in a grocery store and you, you know, drop trowel and you're like, Hey lady.
SPEAKER 04 :
And you know, but their legal safety net is the fact that it's a protest.
SPEAKER 10 :
So wait a minute.
SPEAKER 04 :
You can't.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wait a minute. Do I understand you correctly? You can do whatever you want so long as it's draped with the veneer of protest.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. You also have to be in a leftist city that's run by a bunch of leftist city council. But yes.
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So, I mean, you could do whatever as long as it's a protest.
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Yes.
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That's interesting. I wonder how far that goes in those cities. We're seeing it. I just can't believe so many people thought, yeah, I'm going to go do this. It's 50 degrees. I'm going to get naked and go ride a bike. Ew.
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I don't even like to walk barefoot. Like a public bathroom. Would you walk barefoot in a public bathroom?
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I don't even use buffets. So, no.
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These guys are laying naked on public streets.
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What is the sign that says this is Rip City? Like Rest in Peace City? Yeah, or Let Her Rip Tater Chip. Just flatulence all day. I mean, I don't know. These people have no... Gosh, I feel sorry for their children. Oh my gosh. Just so inappropriate.
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If you've seen the videos of all of these people, there's like literally hundreds. I mean, there's probably a thousand people plus doing this, which just shows you how many mentally ill people are in this area.
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And they're so upset because they're like, we don't want federal troops coming in our city. Okay, that's easy. Stop attacking federal buildings. Ta-da! Stop attacking federal agents. Ta-da! Super easy to do that. Wow, I just solved your problem. You're welcome. Now here's my invoice for $5,000. I mean, that's simple.
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Dive into the latest episode where we explore the historic peace agreements that have been reached in the Middle East. We analyze the impact of these agreements and discuss the political controversies that ensued. Our show features compelling commentary on the ceasefire, its ramifications, and the varied responses from global leaders and the media.
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It's an incredible triumph for Israel and the world to have all of these nations working together as partners in peace. This is the day that people across the region and around the world have been working, striving, hoping and praying for. With the historic agreement we've just signed, those prayers of millions have finally been answered.
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That was a nice little produced thing there from POTUS on the ceasefire. All these people bitching about the ceasefire. You got it now. So maybe they can shut up. Although Hamas is still murking people right and left. So maybe the genocidal sons of bitches weren't Israel. Maybe it was the goat lovers and the Hamas terrorists. How about that? And if you don't like my words, please dine in AIDS fire. I don't care. Welcome to the show. It's not good morning. It's good afternoon. I'm so tired of these drive-bys.
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The ceasefire.
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Why don't you get it? Why is it that you're supposed to care more about the people who voted for terrorists than the terrorist government that was elected by the people who voted for terrorists? I feel like that that's a fair assessment, Cain. I don't feel like it's a fair assessment. I know it is because it is. So welcome to the radio program. Dana Lash with you. And we're going to get started. Dana, why are you so hostile? Oh, my gosh. Do you have a seat? Let's talk about some things today. So we've got all of the latest. I'm not even going to just set it up. First off, Dana Lash, blah, blah, blah. Hi. The chat's at Rumble. Can we talk about the tweet that Barack Obama sent out? And I know we mentioned that CNN, you know, kind of, kind of, that CNN... chastised him as a result of it. But I really, I was reading because I, you know, I'm one person. I can't automatically process everything out there simultaneously. I was reading this tweet that he put out. What an absolute bird. What an absolute clown. After two years of unimaginable loss and suffering, blah, blah, blah. I mean, it looks like he grokked a Kamala Harris word salad thing. He didn't even mention POTUS. I'm going to be real clear. I don't care if you love Trump. I don't care if you hate Trump because it's not about you. I don't care if you cannot say that what happened yesterday was great. If you cannot say unequivocally that it was great and that he did a very good thing and that this is a major success. You have a mental issue for which your only options might be therapy or a lobotomy. One of the two. If you cannot admit that. You are a sad, desiccated little person. I'm done with it. I'm done playing. So tired of this stuff. I don't know why it's a major issue. It shouldn't be at all. I mean, this is a great thing. But I saw, you know, the cable news last night just about couldn't handle it. And I've already seen, too, Kane, and I'm sure you've seen as well, this... They're trying to move on quickly from it so they can go, OK, well, what's next? What's next? That's the official face of all of the haters, by the way. What's next? So he did this. Fine. Whatever. What's next? I'm bringing back mailbag of hate on Friday. Geez, they got really excited over there.
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You didn't tell us anything about this.
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Well, because I got these comments and I'm really tired of these people.
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Because they're like, dude, it's great, Dana. So now what's going to happen, Dana? What's going to happen now in Gaza? Who's going to control it, Dana? Is it going to be Israel? Is it not going to be Israel? They can't even for a hot second.
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These freaks can't even chill for a hot second and just be happy that the remaining hostages are back. Like, I'm all about dusting it up. Fine, whatever. But they can't even admit that this is a good thing. If you are so partisan and you are so religious in your zealotry in terms of politics, how can you be trusted to adjudicate anything else? That's a legitimate question. Legitimate question. Notice that they're trying to, oh, let's go ahead and get on. I noticed that New York Times last night. I know. I read this so you don't have to. Oh, I should get hazard pay. But they immediately were, okay, well, what's next? What's next then? Who's going to control it? Now comes the hard part for the Gaza ceasefire plan. That's one of the latest analyses today. That is coming out about and there and I feel like they're going to try to find something. You know, it's weird because as Islamism. And I think it's safe to say that Islamism took a huge hit. With yesterday's signing of the ceasefire or the peace plan, Islamism is growing in Western countries. It's growing. It absolutely is. And it's not just like Islamism in terms of people coming into the country and refusing to assimilate and thinking they can bring this backwards, barbaric Sharia nonsense into a more civilized society. And that's the truth of it. But even like the members of government are are doing this. I mean, you see it right now in Minnesota, right? And Britain, you can't even display the Union Jack. People get all upset. Or St. George's Cross, people get all upset. Oh, but you can fly those Pallywood flags. Here's the flag for our made-up country that we just made up so we can try to victimize ourselves as marginalized. That's the whole point. That's what they do. But it's happening at a breakneck pace. That's why I was so glad. Can we play? This is from yesterday. And I saw this clip, of course, because all this is happening when I'm on air. So I saw this clip after I was off air. This is when Trump was at the podium. And it's cut 11,000. Sorry, I don't even, I'm not even... Yeah, I know. They're like, great, Dana, thanks. It's when Trump basically told Keir Starmer, cut six, to just shut his meathead up and go sit down. So he was thanking everybody from the podium yesterday, which I have a column coming out in the Washington Times, which talks about this. He he is up there and he's greeting. I mean, it's very much an optic of westernization completely. And he made these little soft Islam Islamist weak Western leaders his be. He did. And so you had the three clowns of the apocalypse, Mark Carney and Emmanuel Macron, hot for teacher Emmanuel Macron and Keir Starmer, whose jaw is like, you know, I mean, good heavens. He's got a large head. It's Beavis size, I got to say. But Trump was up on stage. He's thanking everybody. And then he says, where's the UK? Where's the UK? Keir Starmer walks up like, oh, is this my turn to speak? I did absolutely nothing, but I must derail these negotiations. Is it my turn? Trump sent him right back. Watch this clip because his expression, he looks crestfallen.
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United Kingdom. Where's United Kingdom?
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Oh, it's me right here.
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Oh, yes, Mr. President. I'm coming up here. I'm going to speak now, right?
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These people all came in like 20 minute notice. And I think Maloney's face was hysterical because she knew exactly what happened. She knew better. She's like, yeah, he's going to send him right back. And Keir Starmer's like, oh, I guess I'm not speaking. Guess I'll go back. To my place on the stage. I guess I'll go back. It's hysterical. He got sent right back. The three clowns of the apocalypse. Canada's Mark Carney, Francis Emmanuel Macron and the UK's giant fathead Keir Starmer. Those guys almost derailed the whole damn thing. And you know how they almost derailed the whole damn thing? Because while Trump was in negotiations, they all were falling all over themselves. They couldn't wait to hike their skirts up for Hamas. They're like, oh, yes. Oh, yes. We will absolutely reward your barbarism. And we will declare right now, thirstily, our intention to recognize a state, your own sovereign state, your own made up little country. We're going to recognize it. They almost derailed the whole thing. Just about derailed it. So you can see now why POTUS was a little upset. I would have flown to Canada and kicked Mark Carney's ass myself. Same thing with Macron, although he would have hid behind Brigitte. It's just so, I mean, just absolutely toned up what they almost did. Then they all walk in like, we're going to be able to get some credit for this. Like anybody was going to give them any accolades. Keir Starmer's people were out there talking to the Telegraph and the Guardian. And they were trying to tell this to the Times. Oh, yes, we had an undeniable role. An undeniable role in all of this. Yes, you did. You almost destroyed it. That was your stupid undeniable role. And then he, like a dog, trumps up there. Where's the UK? Tail wagging, tongue out. Here comes Keir Starmer. No, you go back. I just wanted to know where you were. Just go back in line. Gosh, that was so great. Just turned his back right on him. It was so nice. I could watch that on him. Can I watch it one more time? Because I loathe Keir Starmer with the burning passion of a million suns. Just can't stand him. And I think his eyes get smaller. They shrink into the fatness of his Beavis and Butthead head every single time I see him. Sorry, Juan. I won't do this to you all throughout the show, but just for this one clip, I will. United Kingdom? So glorious. Where's United Kingdom?
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Oh, here I am. Tail wagon. Oh, oh, oh. Here he comes. You doing good? All right, now shut up. Maloney's enjoying this too much.
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She's pursing her lips together, trying not to laugh out loud. She's enjoying this. Oh, Giorgio Maloney, Italy's prime minister, enjoying this way too much. She deserves it because she was one of the only leaders up there who didn't do what all these knuckleheads did. Oh, I guess we better go ahead and affirm Hamas. Let's go ahead and reward them. They almost lost everything. And Trump was able to save it. So we got a lot to hit. We're going to unpack all this stuff. We got some domestic stuff. We got some culture stuff. I spared you the naked bike ride yesterday. But I'm not today. Why is it that it's always ugly people? It's never the people that I'm not saying that you would want or I would. But I'm just like if you had to see if you were forced to see a naked person and don't correct me. I'm from southern Missouri where we speak God's tongue. Any KK ID is the correct pronunciation of that word. Like milk and pillow. I'm not even hearing it. But why is it if you're forced to see, which I was because videos autoplay for whatever reason on social, even if I disable it, it just happens anyway. The tech gods hate me. They're never attractive people, right? They're never. They all look like Chris Farley. And the men and women, they're indistinguishable. I'm just I'm just look, all I know is I'm happy that I didn't have to see no Franken stuff. You know, we're going to we got a lot to jump into as we move our partners as we got headlines coming up that are helping bring you the program. I we all need relief factor. I need to take relief factor just to deal with the nonsense that I was just sharing with you. I'm going to gobble up a whole entire bag. And just maybe that'll help. It's 100 percent drug free. I mean, I'm not suggesting that you do it, but maybe you should. Maybe you need it. So relief factor. Look, you can sit here and complain and moan aches and pains. Or you could target your overreaction in terms of inflammatory response and help support your body's natural response, a healthy response to aches and stiffness and all of that stuff. That's what causes the inflammation, which causes all of that after exercising or after a long day. It targets the inflammation naturally. Thank you so much for having me. All you have to do is try their three-week quick start for just $19.95. It's 95 cents a day. You spend more on coffee than that. Don't wait. Visit relieffactor.com or call 800-4-RELIEF. Get your three-week quick start today for just $19.95. Support your body with natural anti-inflammatory power and see if Relief Factor is right for you.
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We mentioned this earlier, Hamas terrorists have been publicly executing other Gazans in Gaza. You know, because they keep on genociding. Big Tish, she's going to headline a rally for Ma'am Donnie, the guy whose wife was mourning the loss of some of the October 7th terrorists. Big Tish, who of course has her own problems with harboring fugitives in a house in which she committed mortgage fraud. What? She's headlining this rally. She says she knows that she and Mr. Ma'am Donnie, because they have to always be victims, they know what it's like to be threatened and harassed. So that's why she's going to. She said that it's important that she speaks and stands with him on this because they're the real victims on this and all, you know, little social little social and big tish. Sounds like a horrible duo, like rap duo name. Oh, my gosh. Apparently something's poisoning dolphin brains near Miami and it could be an Alzheimer's warning for humans. I'm also wondering if it's affecting some of the left. It's a study. They're asking what nobody knows. They're asking what's poisoning. Nobody knows. It's a clickbait headline. That's absolutely stupid and mind numbing to read. But they're talking about Indian River Lagoon. They have a brain toxin that's named after some numbers and letters. Toxin levels were roughly 3000 times higher during the algae bloom months. I don't like the word algae bloom. That just sounds slimy. They said dolphins brain showed the same Alzheimer's related proteins and gene activity seeing humans and They may be warning us about a neurotoxin risk. You think? Great job coming to that conclusion. If the dolphins are being affected, probably other things, including people, will too. Americans are not going to be charged extra to recline their seats on flights in a major cabin shakeup. I don't even know why. Honestly, airlines are such a scam. They really are. Aviation experts are slamming it. WestJet, for instance, they're being modernized and they're catering to people who have different budgets. And so now you are going to be charged on WestJet. You're going to apparently be charged if you lean your seat back. Oh, can we arrest people then if they take their shoes off on the flight? If it's not a red eye, if it's not longer than two hours, don't be doing that. Stick with us more in store. It's always good to have options in terms of defense. And I always tell people that I carry, I have no problem carrying. I, you know, you heard me say this a million times. But I also think, you know, there are instances like, you know, if you're under the age of 21 and you're living on your own and you're going to college, you can go overseas and carry in defense of your country, but you can't hear. This is where the Berna gun comes in. Berna gun shoots chemical irritant projectiles that can deter threats from up to 50 feet away. Now you could compare it to stun guns. Those only have like one or two rounds. Berna has a lot more. I mean, you're looking at, what is it, something like a 15 shot capacity, 15 rounds in the cartridge. And so that's that's quite a lot. And with burnout, there is no waiting period. There is no background check that you don't have to pay a special fee. You don't have to do any of that. You can actually buy it online and it's sent right to your door and it's accessible to everyone, regardless of, you know, if you're 20 years old living or going to college or 22 years old and everything. you're able to carry. But this is a great way to get around, I think, instances where you are disarmed and left unprotected by private property or other restrictions. Legal in all 50 states. It's super affordable. There's a couple of different models. The compact launcher, I think, is the best for these purposes. Easy target acquisition and no recoil. Visit byrna.com slash Dana and check out the Byrna C-L. Byrna.com slash Dana.
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And I think for sure people who start to talk to the hostages who've only just been released will find that it will take a long, long time for them to recover physically but also mentally. It's been a terrible, terrible two years for them because not only are they there You know, they're probably being treated better than the average Gazan because they are the pawns and the chips that Hamas had. Now Hamas has given up all its leverage, by the way, by giving them all up. So that is a victory for the Israelis.
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Wow. Tell that to the Bibas family. I mean, there's none of the women hostages except for very few came out alive. But tell that to the Bibas kids. They beat that baby to death. You know that, right? They... The details you can only imagine. The Bibas family, you know, Sheree Bibas, who had her two children. She was clinging to them, carrying them both. One was an infant. One was a toddler. When Hamas came, took her husband. He was he was held captive and released. She was separated from her children. And according to the forensic analysis, and this wasn't just Israel that looked at them. It was also you had other foreign nations like the United States, et cetera, there. for the people who are like, can't trust Israel because they're anti-Semites, they beat the children to death in custody. They didn't shoot them. They beat them to death. So I'm just curious if Christiane Amanpour thinks that an infant who is beaten to death Can you imagine? Probably also denied food and water. That's treated better. I mean, I don't know. When I look at the average Gazan, I look at the Hamas leaders. They're his big fat wife walking through those tunnels, barely squeezing through with her Birkin. Remember that? I know y'all saw that. That Birkin costs as much as a house. That's not an exaggeration. She had a very fancy purse. That purse is five figures. Not a joke. And the one that she had, because Internet sleuths looked it up, it was like $32,000, $33,000 because it was a special one. It wasn't even like the basic one. Can you imagine that? So that's the kind of treatment they get. None of them are growing hungry. But Cristiano and Poor says, oh, well, you know, they were probably treated better than the average Gazan. I don't know, the average Gazan kept electing Hamas. So she, after a lot of outrage, she came back and said this. This is cut 12.
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Now, earlier live on air, I spoke about what a day of real joy this is for Israeli families whose loved ones are finally being returned from two years of horrific Hamas captivity and for civilians in Gaza who finally had reprieve from two years of brutal and deadly war. I noted that for the hostages who are finally home, it'll take a long time for them to recover mentally and physically. But I regret also saying that they might have been treated better than many Gazans because Hamas used these hostages as pawns and bargaining chips. But that was insensitive and it was wrong. From speaking to many former hostages and their families, like everyone, I've been horrified at what Hamas has subjected them to over two long years. They've told me, as you've just heard, their stories of barely being able to breathe in the tunnels, not being allowed to cry, being starved and made to dig their own graves. And of course, today, some of the hostages are coming back in body bags. I'll give her that credit.
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She apologized. She owned it. And she. was explaining she did not mean to offend, and she opposed. So I'll give her... Can you think that's fair? Give her the credit for that. I mean, that's it. I mean, I'm not looking... I'm not like some of these other people out here who are like, no, I want a scalp and also just to keep raging. No, no, no. I mean, there's a purpose to it. Otherwise, why do people get angry over it? So I'm glad that she clarified that, and I'm glad she said it was ridiculous to have said that, because it is ridiculous. I was reading the account of one of the hostages. He was the... Well, the men apparently were kept in the tunnels. And one of the hostages, and their stories are very similar. The women were apparently kept and traded around in the houses. You know, average Gazans. And the one story that I read yesterday... was horrifying. They had one man who was kept for a long time by himself and then they had moved another hostage in this spot in the tunnel with him and they had no running water. They would live basically on biscuits. Every now and then they got stale pita. And at one point he said that the system that they had to use the restroom facilities backed up and it just flooded in the area where they were and maggots multiplied and there were worms everywhere and it was horrible and they only got to bathe maybe once every couple of months. They didn't get to brush their teeth. They don't even really knew if the water was clean that they were drinking. One of the hostages, another man, had said he was the only one who was not affected with horrible digestive issues. But he was dizzy. He got dizzy all the time because he had low blood sugar and he was very weak. It I mean, it's horrific. It's going to take a lot. I think it's going to take a long time for them to be rehabilitated physically to say nothing of the rehabilitation that's going to be required for them to be mentally and emotionally. I can't even I can't even imagine the the couple that were torn apart on video. And she was released in a very daring. She was actually saved by a very daring IDF raid. Her boyfriend, who they've now been reunited, he was kept solely by himself the entire time. Can you imagine being alone by yourself in a dark tunnel for two years? 730 something months. I think it was 735 months. I think it was. Or sorry, days. Yes, correct. Can you imagine 730-something days by yourself in a dark tunnel by yourself? Now, a lot of the hostages in reading, and they don't... You can infer from what they say how horrible it was. But some of them at least would be in spaces with other hostages. And I got to tell you, I was reading... I was reading that. Do you think that's actually better? Because one of the hostages was saying that when starvation set in because they were starving. the bonds between them kind of started breaking down as it would with any human. When you are so hungry and you are so sick and you're barely living, hunger becomes like the focus. When you're not even getting enough calories to support your body's most basic functions, to say nothing of doing anything else, just your basic functions of staying awake and eating and breathing and all of that or moving. And it got really tense. So I was thinking about that. I wonder if it's just better to have been by yourself the whole time in the tunnels. I mean, that's just how horrible is that? And of course, the women that had been kept, so few of them were released. And I think it's because they were probably raped to death. I mean, to read some of the accounts of some of these individuals... And to see the independent reports, the evaluations of what they were subjected to. And then Hamas is now, I'm sure you've seen some of the videos. They are now executing more people. They don't want to give up control in the strip. So I'm telling you, it was good what happened yesterday. But also now what's going to happen is because I think we're going to come to a push to shove moment here. If they don't leave, if they don't, they have to disarm and leave. And if they don't do it, then Trump's going to dust his hands off and say, well, now you're at the mercy of Israel. And that's, you know, you don't deserve any mercy. So they're really screwed because now it's been made very clear that Turkey is not going to help them. Jordan's not going to help them. And Qatar, I think, has their hands tied. I still think that that, you know, the whole story of the base and we played some of that yesterday. I think you've got to separate two things. The issue with having the jets, having Qatar acquire jets, and then having their pilots come over here to learn how to fly them. I don't want to help Qatar with anything. In my estimation, Qatar is no better than Hamas because they shielded them, they harbored them. And they're always going to be, here's the other thing a lot of people don't realize, they are always going to be part of Iran's energy structure. There is a gas field there. in the Gulf between Qatar and Iran. That's a huge gas field. And that's, I mean, that's a huge, huge, huge amount of energy. And I can't even, I was looking at the percentage, because Qatar is such a small country. It's energy structure and the GDP of what they get off from sales from that. It's significant. And so they share this with Iran. So technically, they're each part of the other's energy infrastructure. That alone makes me question how they could ever have any allegiance towards anything other than Islamism. Now, that being said. I think as well, separating the fact that you can't trust Qatar at all. I also realize that they're not establishing what they would call a base for the Qatari government and Qatari soldiers that they are acquiring jets and they're learning how to. I don't even think we should be selling them jets. But I also think that that's been part that was made part of the deal, because remember. At the timeline of this, you had Trump that went to the Middle East. And he had a three day trip to the Middle East. And it was a major success. And you remember when he was in Riyadh and he was speaking at that investment conference in Riyadh. And at that point, he noted that Syria had a new president, had a new leader. They had a new regime. Bashir al-Assad's gone. He's holed up in Russia. They had a new regime. Yes, he's a former terrorist warlord. I get it. That's the type of world that that is. And he was saying that, well, they have a new regime that seems open to not being an enemy of the United States. And if that's the case, he said, I'm going to roll back these sanctions, which have been in place since 1979. So he said, I'm going to roll back these sanctions. When he said that at the conference, you remember the entire room jumped up in applause. In fact, Mohammed bin Salman, who is the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, he stood up and led the ovation. Then, not even a month after that, the new regime in Syria closed their airspace to Iran, effectively shuttering the entire corridor that Iran used to get munitions and supplies to Hezbollah and Hamas. And then also they were pretty much kind of unsupported. So that's how those strikes were able to happen as easily as they did and as successfully as they did. And also it was just a lot of really good planning and execution. You had the United States and Israel. One was going after nuclear facilities. The other, respectively, was going after munitions facilities, things and their republic, their guard over there going after them as well. But then remember, there was the strike in Doha. And that's when the Qataris were like, oh, my gosh, now everything's all to hell. And then you and then all at the same time this was happening, you had Mark Carney and Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron saying that declaring their intent to recognize the quote unquote Palestinian state right as Doha is being struck. So that's when it came out that Trump had a very strong rebuke to Netanyahu saying that. And I think this was actually a bad cop, good cop. You know, my estimation is that they all knew it was going to happen and Qatar needed to be humbled. and needed to be pushed into this a little bit. That's my theory. But they played good cop, bad cop towards the world very well. And so there was that strong rebuke with Israel from Trump. And then there was this gesture made to the Qataris that this isn't going to happen again. And I think as part of that deal, this jet acquisition and the training was part of it. Now, that's just what the conjecture is. And I think it's probably maybe it begs the question, but I think it's actually a true premise. So it doesn't beg the question. So that is that's how all of that came to be. So. To the point, Hamas doesn't have any of these people that they can pull support from anymore. And the Qataris are going to be less likely to do it, especially now as it's been made very evident. And Trump mentioned this when he was in Riyadh as well. He talked about it again yesterday, getting more people involved in the Abraham Accords, normalizing these relations. And it's very weird. He's reshaped the entire balance of power in the Middle East. He's not kissing ass like the way Barack Obama and Joe Biden did with Iran. and they were accommodating Islamism in the Middle East. No, it's been entirely shifted now. But the sad thing is, is that it's growing in the West. We're living in a time when truth feels dangerous and silence comes at a cost. 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SPEAKER 07 :
Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
SPEAKER 15 :
Are you as maha as your husband, Bobby? I'm going to say yes. Yes. Although... You know, I might eat things that he might not.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, do you get in trouble when you eat unhealthy?
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I don't get in trouble, but I hide when I eat it because I don't feel good about myself. So if I want potato chips, I'll, you know, stand in the pantry while nobody's looking.
SPEAKER 16 :
I heard a crunch. Cheryl, where are you? That was a... Don't worry about it. It was just a carrot, Bobby. Go back to bed. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Hmm. so alec baldwin in the uh suv what can we talk about that's one celebrity we're going to talk about that next hour he ran into a tree well it was two bald ones yes alec baldwin and explain to me the brother is the father-in-law of justin bieber can did he kill anybody this time Yeah, you didn't know that? I didn't. One of the... I don't know how... There's so many bald ones. His brother that was with him is the father-in-law of Justin Bieber. I've met him before. He's very nice. And he's a big Christian, but I just want to make sure Alec Baldwin didn't kill any more people yesterday. Because apparently he ran his Land Rover into a tree. I don't even know how you do that, but okay. I mean, you're... You're within Martha's Vineyard or something like that. So we'll dive into that. Also, what we have coming up – that was Cheryl. I don't really care about it. I'm sorry. I don't care about Cheryl Hines. I don't care what she eats. I don't care about – I don't care about – eat whatever the hell you want to. I don't care. If you want to go full up with MSG, do it. Do it. It's America. The issue – we're going to get into that issue. We're also – got a few other things. Lawlessness and disorder to touch on. And the left – are they – Feels like they got, you know, some of the stuff they were protesting about yesterday. Are they going to be satisfied? I don't know. And on top of that, this is a very interesting headline. A law school's generous scholarship. Their scholarships that they have at this school. I'm sure this is a coincidence. It magically matches Trump's $50,000 federal loan cap. Isn't that interesting? It's like magic. Stick with us. Second hour on the way. The folks over at Super Beats who have been a really long time supporter, like such a long time supporter of the show that some people are like, wait a minute, you're the Beats person. Well, yeah. And I take them and they're good. And they have a lot of other benefits that I can't say to because they didn't pay a hush money to the FDA. I don't know if I can say that or not, but I did. Anyway, the company behind it, Human, they're based in Austin, Texas. They partner with UT. They work with the Health Science Center. It's all built on real cardiovascular research around blood flow and nitric oxide. And it's all very, very science-based, like actual science, not pretend science where something pretends it's something else. And you can actually feel it working. UT athletes use Super Beats. In fact, some of your favorite teams probably use it as well. There's over 160 college and pro teams. that actually use humans' products. And so, like I said, your favorite team probably does too. It's all about heart-healthy energy without the crash, plant-based, no stimulants, no artificial sweeteners or colors, and clinically studied. Recommended by doctors, including mine, pharmacists and cardiologists, more so than any other beat brand. Pick up Super Beats at your local Walmart and start supporting your cardiovascular health today. Get on the road to better health with Super Beats from Human.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they would send a half a billion dollars to liberal news outlets by refunding the corporation for public broadcasting. It would also restore up to $5 billion of American taxpayer funds for wasteful spending for international projects. Here's a couple of examples. in their legislation, their counterproposal on the CR to keep the lights open. This is what they want to do. They want to spend $24.6 million of your hard-earned dollars as a taxpayer for climate resilience in Honduras. They want to spend $13.4 million for civic engagement in Zimbabwe. They want to spend $3.9 million for LGBTQI plus democracy grants in the Western Balkans. They want to spend $2.9 million of your dollars for desert locust risk reduction in the Horn of Africa. And $2 million for, quote, organizing for feminist democratic principles in Africa. We are not doing that.
SPEAKER 14 :
I got a cause, Cain. It's called the studio expansion of the Dallas, Texas, Dana property. I mean, if Democrats want to give money away... We also, we employ needy baby harp seals and we feed homeless kittens.
SPEAKER 08 :
There's only one problem, though, with your allocation request.
SPEAKER 14 :
Did you hear all the good stuff we're doing, Cain? I'm talking about all the great things that we do, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, no, it was really impressive. But unfortunately, Democrats only want that money to go overseas. You're talking about studio expansion in the United States.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, there's a lake not far away. I mean, maybe we could route them with the money over that water. And say it's an – or they could – they're flying down from D.C. They could fly down into the Gulf just for the sights and then come up to the – I mean, I'm just saying. And then it's over the sea. It's fulfilling that obligation. I'm just trying to help out my government. Look at me trying to solve problems.
SPEAKER 08 :
With loopholes. It's my peace prize. Yeah, I get it. With loopholes that Democrats love to use.
SPEAKER 14 :
They like the loopholes. Why do we – Maybe, I don't know, maybe I missed the lesson, but why do we give a rat's backside about civic whatever in Zimbabwe? We don't. Do you guys? Are you guys waking up? Do you guys wake up in the morning and go, wow, I wonder what kind of civics issues are happening in Zimbabwe right now? I mean, if you're Zimbabwe, and I guess, you know, but here? I mean, we got... We've got some issues here. You know what I'm saying? We've got some things that need addressing. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. The chat's at Rumble. Channel 347 Direct TV is where you can watch the radio show. It's, you know, it's just some pressing issues. Did you hear about the airports that are not going to air Christy Noem's shutdown video? I do think it's funny. Now, I don't, again, let me pay the penance. Let me pay for the ticket, okay? I do think it's, I don't care as long as the border's closed. I don't care what she does. I don't care if she shows up dressed as a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader twirling sparklers out of her backside. I don't care, okay? Don't care as long as the border's closed. But I do think it's hysterical that every video she does for DHS is like a glamour shot. Now, it's entertaining. Also, I'll give her the credit of knowing how populism works. You got to be seen in order for it to work. You got to constantly be out there in order for this to work. So I get it. But it's still funny nonetheless. Because she's, you know, I'm Kristi Noem. I'm the Secretary of Homeland Security. And we're going to get you. It's funny. But she blasted Democrats for the shutdown. That are affecting TSA workers and it's going to play at every public airport in America. Well, it was supposed to. Now, the airports in New York are refusing to play it. And there are airports in Phoenix, Vegas, Seattle, Portland. We're going to come back to Portland in a moment. Charlotte and Cleveland. And they had a lot of excuses, right? So the SeaTac folks told this TV station that they support the efforts to end the shutdown. They're working to support unpaid employees, blah, blah, blah. Portland said we didn't consent to airing the video because they believe it violates the Hatch Act. You don't even know about the Hatch Act. Shut up. And the Oregon state law, government employees can't engage in partisan political activities. Well, how is it partisan to say Democrats are refusing to pass a spending bill they had no problem passing for years? It's the same damn bill. I don't know how to make this more clear to some of the breeds with pictures drive-bys out there. It's literally the same bill. It's the same bill. It's the old bill that is still the same bill. Cain, is there any other way you can better explain it? It's the same bill.
SPEAKER 08 :
What was signed into law July 4th. We're just extending what's already law, not adding anything Republican to it, not adding anything Democrat to it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 14 :
I don't even like it. I hate it. But it's still the same bill. So why are they? Well, suddenly now we can't support it. Why? Because Trump's a Nazi. Wait, what? This is just them being petty. So there's nothing that's incorrect. This is not part. The partisan political activity is the refusal to just vote for the damn thing, which I still don't like. But if you want to have this argument, then it's partisan to just not vote for it. That's it. That's all there is to it. That's it. And I don't see why they can't air it. Can you, yeah, I'm really sure that the manager of Portland's like, oh, I don't know, I'm an expert all of a sudden in the Hatch Act. I gropped it. I'm an expert in the Hatch Act now. I asked Chet GPT. I Chet GPT'd that and now I'm an expert. They should hire me at the State Department. No. No, no, no. Kane, I'm really trying not to use the whole I don't go to your place of employment and I'm trying really hard here. You guys don't know that story. It's OK. Some do. Not the way we tell it. Just saying. So they and and SeaTac, they're in Seattle, Tacoma. They're pretty far lefty over there. I mean, there there are no bipartisan efforts to end the shutdown because Democrats are like, no, we're not going to end the shutdown. So it's not bipartisan. And then you've got Westchester County Executive Ken Jenkins, not related to Leroy. Maybe he is. Ken Jenkins. Now, he's described her message, Kristen Owens, as inappropriate and unacceptable and inconsistent with the values we expect from our nation's top public officials, end quote. That's his direct statement. Wait, are you talking about the people that are refusing to vote for your stuff or the people who said, why don't you vote for it and just get it over with? It's not a propaganda video. She's right. How is this wrong? For real, how is it wrong? They're just, they're sassy about it. Speaking of Portland and... Oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm talking about this story. This is so gross. I talked about this on Waters yesterday. Just imagine, no, don't imagine it. What's the weather in Portland, Cain? Like, what's the temps out there? I thought it was cold up in Portland. It's getting cold now. I mean, judging by some of what was seen, it had to have been pretty chilly. So, the Portland bike riders, they all got naked, and they, did you, I don't want to ask if you saw it, they decided they have a naked bike ride, and then at one point, to protest, they I don't remember. They all like put their bikes down and laid in the middle of the road. Did you see that? Like a score of fat naked people just laying all on the road.
SPEAKER 08 :
Horribly nude die-in. Like very uncomfortably nude. They call it a die-in. They were all outside, but they were all at a die-in.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wait, a die-in? That's so dumb. That's so dumb. They were demonstrating against federal troops. And how did they... I mean, the photos are so bad. Oh, my gosh. How did they... Okay, I have a question. I don't understand the people who are naked and then they wore a clear poncho. Right? What's the point of that? It doesn't make any sense to me. So they apparently do this. They have the naked bike ride, apparently. I don't know. Every year, I'm learning about that today. And it's a tradition. Oh, for the love. And... I'm going to try to get through. It's always nasty as people. All the photos look like they smell like feet. It's just so bad. It just smells like feet and dirty old public bathroom. That's what it smells like. That's what the photos look like they smell like. Anyway, they usually do this, but they decided to make it happen later. And they said they called another nude ride so they could protest the president sending in the National Guard to protect the federal buildings that these nut jobs keep attacking. And so they decided to protest like that. And then they got off their bikes at one point and laid down on the pavement in a quote-unquote die-in. Why can't they just do what normal people do if they're dissatisfied? If you're dissatisfied, you lodge a complaint. Or if you feel that you must protest, you don't go and show the whole albatross, I don't know, out to the world. I don't even think it's a question of humility. I don't think that there's any self-awareness of any of these individuals, really. But there are certain things that it's like Seinfeld. It is literally a Seinfeld episode. There are certain things that you should just not do when you're naked. And that's the correct pronunciation. Again, speak in God's tongue. That's Southern Missouri. N-E-K-K-I-D. There are certain things that you shouldn't do when you are unclothed. Like crouching, kicking, things like that. Riding a bike. Riding a bike? I hate riding bikes. Well, I take it back. When I was a kid, it was fun. Now I'm like, why am I doing this? And I don't like... I have an issue with rude bicyclists. The ones who realize that, you know, there are bike lanes and they've discovered them. I have less of a problem with those people. But this looked... Can you imagine Cain being behind not just a bicyclist, but a naked, chonky bicyclist? Which most of these people probably don't ride bikes, judging just visually.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I don't want to imagine that. And... I don't like the fact that you've now put that visual.
SPEAKER 14 :
How is that not indecent exposure? If you're in a grocery store and you, you know, drop trowel and you're like, Hey lady.
SPEAKER 08 :
And you know, but their legal safety net is the fact that it's a protest.
SPEAKER 14 :
So wait a minute.
SPEAKER 08 :
You can't.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wait a minute. Do I understand you correctly? You can do whatever you want so long as it's draped with the veneer of protest.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. You also have to be in a leftist city that's run by a bunch of leftist city council. But yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
So, I mean, you could do whatever as long as it's a protest.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's interesting. I wonder how far that goes in those cities. We're seeing it. I just can't believe so many people thought, yeah, I'm going to go do this.
SPEAKER 13 :
It's 50 degrees. I'm going to get naked and go ride a bike.
SPEAKER 14 :
Ew.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don't even like to walk barefoot. Like a public bathroom. Would you walk barefoot in a public bathroom?
SPEAKER 14 :
I don't even use buffets. So, no.
SPEAKER 08 :
These guys are laying naked on public streets.
SPEAKER 14 :
What is the sign that says this is Rip City? Like Rest in Peace City? Yeah, or Let Her Rip Tater Chip. Just flatulence all day. I mean, I don't know. These people have no... Gosh, I feel sorry for their children. Oh my gosh. Just so inappropriate.
SPEAKER 08 :
If you've seen the videos of all of these people, there's like literally hundreds. I mean, there's probably a thousand people plus doing this, which just shows you how many mentally ill people are in this area.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 08 :
And now all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's quick five.
SPEAKER 14 :
So apparently an R&B musician, D'Angelo, passed away at age 51 after a battle with pancreatic cancer. Pancreatic cancer is no joke. It was confirmed to the New York Post this morning. Also, pulling, sorry, juggling windows here. Also, a couple of other things. An ancient fault. in New York, it's kind of terrifying, awakened with a rare earthquake. I think I've seen this movie. U.S. Geological Survey detected a magnitude 2.6 quake on Monday just outside of Chazzy, 25 miles south of Montreal. It was a shallow depth. They set up roughly five miles. And it's this old, ancient fault that occasionally reawakens and a monster comes out and eats your soul. I'm kidding about the monster part. But I'm just saying, you know, they're like, oh, these kind of tremors are uncommon for northeastern U.S. Oh, you don't need to tell us that. We know. Just a little, you know. A little weird. Just saying, not saying aliens, but, you know. Protein is showing up in Doritos, waffles, and now even Pop-Tarts. It is a protein craze. Usually it would be, you know, maybe some certain milks or energy bars and things like that. But now Pop-Tart Maker is going to offer the version of the toaster pastries with a higher protein count. And PepsiCo is doing the same thing with Doritos and elsewhere. It's being added to popcorn and all this. Like, really? Is that necessarily a good thing to add? Why can't they just make normal food? Just make normal food. We have a lot more on the way. Stick with us. So you guys remember the panic buying of 2020 when... Everyone was rushing to get French toast supplies, toilet paper, and all of the ammo that they did not really necessarily didn't want to leave for anybody else. Okay, we all remember that. There's a smarter way to stay prepared. Ammo Squared is America's ammunition reserve. It is a worry-free solution to collect ammunition for the future and avoid being caught empty-handed. You can choose from over 70 calibers. You can set your monthly budget, let Ammo Squared curate your supply automatically, set it, forget it, ship it when you need it. They have a secure climate-controlled facility. You can keep your ammo fresh and safe until you decide to get it delivered. There's no minimums, no hidden fees. You get free shipping on orders over $250. It's great if you're trying out new calibers, if you're just topping off some training rounds, which we do. And you just stay ready for whatever comes next. There's over 100,000 members of this community, and they got thousands of five-star reviews. So your readiness is Animal Squared's mission. Visit AnimalSquared.com and secure that animal supply for the future. Do not run out when it counts. Seriously, there's no reason. Stock up before training and restock after to stay ready. It's AnimalSquared.com. Spell out square like I needed to tell you that. And be sure to mention you heard about it on the Dana Show.
SPEAKER 09 :
So I don't want to be anywhere near Alec Baldwin when he's on a range or behind a Range Rover.
SPEAKER 14 :
So what do we play first, Kane? Because we've got to set it up for the people. Welcome back. Bottom of the second hour.
SPEAKER 08 :
Cup 27 is the incident as reported.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, but there's his version and then there's the recorded version. Now, before we play it for the people, Alec Baldwin was driving his Land Rover wrongly, I think. And he ended up, what did he hit? I thought he just hit a tree a bit.
SPEAKER 08 :
The way he described it.
SPEAKER 14 :
He hit a mailbox too?
SPEAKER 08 :
Big fat tree. Yeah, and I think he also took out a mailbox.
SPEAKER 14 :
He really doesn't know what he hit, does he? He was with his brother. Have you processed that, Cain? His brother is the father-in-law of Justin Bieber.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm today years old. Today years old.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. So he crashed his Range Rover. Is this him talking about it? I know we get the CCTV footage, too. So this is the story of it. Go ahead and play this. Oh, boy. Crashed his car right into a tree in the Hamptons. And you're like, how in the world? That's him and his brother. So that's Justin Bieber's father-in-law, Cain. Yeah. So, I don't know what they're... Crashed it into a tree. Now, he was asked what happened. What did he say? That he tried to blame a trash truck?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. He didn't want to bore us with the details, but this is what he said about it.
SPEAKER 17 :
But this morning I was in this car accident, a guy cut me off in a truck, big garbage truck, I mean a garbage truck the size of a whale. I've never seen a garbage truck, it must have been something commercial for like taking away material from construction or something. It was the biggest garbage truck I've ever seen. Anyway, I won't go into the details now and bore you, but to avoid hitting him, I... I hit a tree. I hit a big, fat tree and crushed my car, my wife's car. I crushed my wife's car. I feel bad about that, but it's all fine, and I'm fine, and my brother's fine, and blah-biddy-blah. Congratulations to everybody on the film festival.
SPEAKER 14 :
Hmm. Now... Yeah, so he said it was a big garbage truck that caused him to crash his wife's car. And you had the CCTV footage. So this was like a security... camera that ended up capturing some of this of what happened and i guess you could say the road conditions were what what road conditions yeah you can kind of see the roads were a little wet there and this is the front of this giant whale-sized commercial so that's the trash do you know of any non-commercial trash trucks but anyway yeah i know it's like a private citizen's trash truck so this is it happening So this is them driving. This is the front of the trash truck driving down the road.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's already going straight down the road. No problems, no problems. Then all of a sudden, look to the right of the screen.
SPEAKER 14 :
So I honestly think that I feel like Alec Baldwin drove like an idiot, I think. Because if you have a trash truck in front of you, guys, you're on a two-lane road like this. If you're, unless you're riding its backside, which it seemed like you kind of may have been, and this is just me, you know, looking at the footage. If you're on, let's just use our brains. If you're on a two-lane road and you're behind a trash truck and there's trash cans on the side of the road, smart people go, huh, that trash truck is probably going to stop and pick up those people's trash. Just saying. That probably is how it's going to go, right? So the trash truck did what trash trucks do, and it looked like he was just a regular. Has he never, ever been outside of his, like, gilded temple, his gilded palace, his castle? I don't know. His whatever, wherever his giant high horse is. Has he never been outside of his gilded cage? I don't know.
SPEAKER 08 :
How you say compound?
SPEAKER 14 :
How you say compound, his wife. How you say a cool compound? Well, you were born in Boston, Hillary. You're Irish. You tell us. So it, and that tree that, that car hit the tree that it seemed like he just ran right into it. He, to me, it seemed like if you could not even break and you were going that fast when you hit a tree, you probably may not have been paying attention. That's just me. No one was injured. And there apparently wasn't a summons issued because he never gets in trouble. I mean, you know how Trump joked about how he could shoot someone in Manhattan and get away with it? Well, Alec Baldwin can shoot someone on a movie set and get away with it. So there you go. I'm just saying. So to me, I'm like, how do you not – I just don't understand how you – Do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
You're behind a trash truck. I'm going to offer a potential definition of what we saw that may be more in line with what Alec Baldwin was saying. Now, this trash truck took a right turn on this two-lane road. Now, he... Alec could have been traveling fast, which it appears he was traveling probably faster than he should have been. And it looks like the trash truck noticed him approaching from behind quickly and was wanting to get out of the way so that he could pass. But it was already too late because Alec Baldwin decided to go to the right of the truck to avoid the truck. And then when the truck went more right, Alec was pushed off into the yard area and and ran into that tree.
SPEAKER 14 :
I just think it was collecting trash, and he was like, I don't, I mean.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know, but if you look at the video, I don't see any trash cans near there. I mean, maybe, but it looked like the truck was.
SPEAKER 14 :
Then he had to have been riding so close he couldn't stop. Sorry, but unless he was going to be a doucher and pass on the shoulder.
SPEAKER 08 :
He was traveling fast while that truck was making a right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think he was going to pass on the shoulder.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I think that was the original.
SPEAKER 14 :
Like a dangerous D-bag. That's what I think he was doing. I don't understand the speed. I can't tell you how many times I've been behind a trash truck or whatever. A giant commercial vehicle. I've never seen these commercial vehicles before. Oh, my gosh. What is the matter with you? You and your wife are nuts. But I've never – and I've been behind them on two-lane roads where you've had to stop. They get trash or whatever. That's just the nature of it. You never – I don't care what – even if they are not stopping, you just always want to give yourself time to put your brakes on.
SPEAKER 08 :
And if you see a truck that size, you know that they're not speedy or quick, these trucks, anyway, no matter what the situation. So if you see ahead of you, one is making a right and going to be in your lane, you're going to immediately want to slow down, immediately, not try and pass it, like you said, some D-bag would. That's just public safety.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'm curious as to what Juan thinks, because Juan's Mr. Careful over there. I can't imagine Juan driving his car like that.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, he would slow down. Juan's got new wheels, too. They're slick. Juan looks ahead, and he sees what kind of obstacles are potentially there, because that's what normal people do.
SPEAKER 14 :
He is not a normal person. He seems like he's an entitled lunatic. That's what he seems like. I just, yeah, drives his wife's Range Rover. And then he's, oh, it's not a big, because clearly this is going to be his fault. And they have photos too that they've taken. And I just don't, I'm sorry. I'm looking at the photos and I'm just like, I don't get how. This is not, by the way, this is a regular trash truck. There's a picture of the trash truck. I just, it's a regular trash truck. What is he talking about? What kind of lunatic is like, I've never seen a trash truck before. Our trash trucks look like this. These are just regular trash trucks. You absolute lunatic. They're regular trash trucks. In my estimation, in my opinion, he was driving like a D-bag because he's a D-bag lunatic who has a temper issue. And his anger issues. And he, I think, maybe thought he was going to pass this dude on the right and couldn't do it and ran into a damn tree. That's what it seems like. Because this is a regular trash truck. Listening to him, just throw that up there if you can see. I tried to, I think I put the image up there. Yeah. Kane, that's a trash truck in your neighborhood.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's exactly the one that looks like the one Trump drove during his campaign.
SPEAKER 14 :
It looks just like the one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, exactly. Same size.
SPEAKER 14 :
Juan is showing you now right now. Look at that. Look at that. That is a regular trash truck.
SPEAKER 07 :
Big as a whale.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's as big as a whale. I've never seen a trash truck so big, said Alec Baldwin. It seemed like he was going to pass him on the right. That is exact. I mean, I just can't. But for and for him to go on like like to intimate that it was the trash trucks problem for being an unusual trash truck. This guy's a nut. Can you imagine being their neighbors or having anything to do with them at all whatsoever? They're so weird. They're just so weird people like he has a perpetual grudge and she wants to be famous. I just I don't get it. So yeah, it cut him off. You're behind it. How did it cut you off? You're behind the damn thing. None of this makes sense. I didn't pull the trigger. It just magically appeared in her chest. What?
SPEAKER 08 :
Do you magically, like, for example, do you have more attention when the roads are wet? Like, are you more careful? Or do you still drive as recklessly as you want on dry pavement as it is when it's wet? Like, why don't you exercise more, as Alec Baldwin, a little more safety precautions when the pavement's wet?
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree. But I completely agree with you, and I think you're right. It just seems like another example of him not wanting to take accountability. It's always everything else's fault. That truck that I was following too closely from behind probably cut me off. Oh, my gosh. If you were anybody else, you would probably have been cited, especially if that was somebody's property. It seemed like that wasn't in somebody's front yard. Yeah. Good night. Just stupid. Just stupid. Like there's no reason for it. How you say cucumber? I don't know, man. So coming up, some of the stuff we're going to get to. Apparently, just saying, it looks like Hamas is already maybe violating the terms. I know you're so shocked on that one. Looks like they may not be fully complying with the terms of the deal. Now, remember, if they don't, then Trump washes his hands of them and Israel can do whatever they want. just saying which i think would be end up being better anyway our partners that bring you the program the folks at all family pharmacy love the folks at all family pharmacy i actually had to use them again so my uh my son who is in college ended up getting strep throat And he was able to get medication in there, but I wanted to be able to get him something that helps his throat, right? You can get, I think it's like, I can't pronounce it properly. It's like Benzonatate or whatever. You know what it is, Cain. This is one of the things you can get at All Family Pharmacy. You go in, you fill out, you pick what you need, you answer some questions, the doctor reviews your request. issues of prescription and your medicines are sent in as fast as like two to four days or overnighted in a pinch if you need it. And they have literally everything. NAD plus, they have ivermectin. They've got all of the antibiotics that you need. The azithromycin, the amoxicillin, stuff I can't pronounce. A lot of things I can't pronounce. Your everyday medications, emergency kits, everything. Ladies, you can get Latisse for your eyelashes. So you don't have to worry about doing the tube and mascara or getting them extensions. You get you some Latisse at All Family Pharmacy. I mean, literally everything. Here's the other part that I love. Everything is made in the USA. I don't know of any other pharmacy where you're getting all the precursors for this stuff and the final product, all USA made. You can stock up today at allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana, where I am a huge customer, and I use my own name, Dana10, as my code, because that's how you get 10% off. Allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana, code Dana10 for 10% off.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
SPEAKER 14 :
Hmm. Let's see. A Florida man claimed that he had a bomb at Home Depot, but it wasn't a bomb. It was just some detergent. Literally stolen Tide bottles. That's all that it was. It's so disappointing. I'm kidding. 37-year-old Florida man Timothy Aviles is accused of making a bomb threat at Home Depot. He said he had an explosive device in his backpack, but instead authorities only found Tide bottles. So he's in trouble because he was threatening everyone with a fake bomb. And you have to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the article to find out that he was accused of stealing $25 worth of items because nobody at the Florida Sun-Sentinel can write a story where they have the lead balanced and give you all the information you need in the first paragraph like they're supposed to. So he's charged with making a one-count false report. And a bond set at $7,500. And he was also told to stay away from Home Depot.
SPEAKER 1 :
$7,500.
SPEAKER 14 :
$7,500. That's... For the false, that's pretty crazy. Let's see here. Oh, I don't want to do the sad dog one. Oh, no, no, no. Let's instead talk about a Florida man who built a fortress of tires around his Marion County property. Yeah, he apparently built... it's a black fortress. It's walls are made of stacks and stacks and stacks of all kinds of tires, over 1500 tires. Um, actually maybe up to 2000 tires. The guy, Derek people surrounded his entire property with stacks of tires, each tires filled with dirt, mulch, and even horse manure. And he began lining his driveway, uh, with them too. And, uh,
SPEAKER 08 :
the it's kind of funny it it's yeah that it's apparently what came well the story I mean in the story it shows because if I was a neighbor I'd be really upset because when these things fill up with water it becomes this breeding ground for mosquitoes mosquitoes and even attracts rats because of the scraps they were throwing in there so yeah I'd be a little upset about apparently I didn't realize they have like an issue in this area with tire disposal why they should just probably send them to What, Minnesota? So that Tim Walls and his wife can smell it.
SPEAKER 14 :
In the scrap heap that's down there in this area, since by the 2000s, they had 300 million used tires thrown on that annually. That's insane. And they fill up with rainwater, and as you said, it creates all this stuff. So this guy has this way to, I don't know if it's going to be helpful, like I said, but that's what he ended up doing. Let's see here. We also, oh no, we already read that one. Yeah, Tim Walz does love, his wife loves the smell of the burning tires. That's true. This Florida man attacked his wife because she wouldn't go to Chili's with him. Florida man with a prior battery conviction was arrested because he attacked his wife inside of their home because she would not go to Chili's for dinner. And they got that queso. That's delicious at Chili's. So she contacted Marion County Sheriff's Office last week and she told them that her husband, 56-year-old Jerome Valia, had battered her. She said that he got upset and began to yell because she was like, I don't want to eat at Chili's. Now, normally, women are like, I don't know, where do you want to eat? At least she had a place that she didn't want to go to eat. But she said that he began throwing items inside their bedroom, and then he grabbed her by the back of her head and hit her, all this stuff. And so... She noted they noted in the report she was screaming for help and she did have bruising. So he was arrested. He's scheduled to appear in court this week. He was booked in a Marion County jail. He posted bond and he's got a lot of charges that he's facing. I mean, there probably are more restaurants than Chili's around. I'm just saying that, you know, you don't have to resort to not talking about this one as well. Also not talking about this one. Also, everybody, we did read the thermos up the rectum story. We do not need that scent anymore.
SPEAKER 08 :
I just put one in Slack for you. I think it'll work well.
SPEAKER 14 :
19 times in the past couple days. 19 times. I mean, I appreciate everybody's eye. And then also, what is a cheeseburgering incident?
SPEAKER 08 :
It's a drive-by cheeseburgering incident.
SPEAKER 14 :
Florida man was arrested. I don't... Okay, so... A drive-by cheeseburgering. I'm reading this piece. They said it happened with the Atlantis Gentleman's Club. Ooh. A former strip club employee. He was arrested for a drive-by cheeseburgering outside of the establishment. So apparently what you throw food at a place and that's what it, why would you do that to a perfectly good cheeseburger?
SPEAKER 08 :
That sounds delicious. That's where you go to learn how to be a gentleman, right? Yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER 14 :
At the gentleman's club? They do lessons, they do gentleman lessons there at the gentleman's club. That's right. It's important for me. Yeah, it's like cotillion, right? You learn, you get your gentleman's lessons there. Sure, we'll take that. We got more on the way. Third hour coming up. Don't go anywhere. More of the program coming up. All I hear, like my folks are like, oh, my gosh, they're just besieged by texts and calls. And maybe you're getting up to where it's Medicare enrollment season for you, too. Maybe you've noticed an uptick in emails and texts and calls, people wanting you to sign up. Here's the thing. You need to work with a partner. that's going to give it to you straight, a partner that you can trust. And that's chapter. This is not gimmicks. There's no pressure. These are salaried experts. These are advisors. And they can walk you through what your options are because these plans change every year. And even if you're happy with your plan, you still have to check out what's coming for the next year. And if you don't review your options, you could lose coverage that you depend on. So the folks at Chapter review every plan nationwide, and they ensure that you are not overpaying. And on average, they're saving people over $1,000 a year. And Chapter stands out, again, because their advisors are salary. They advocate for you, not the insurance company. It is not a hassle. They can get you resolved and set in under 20 minutes. And if your current plan is still the best fit, you're all situated. If not, they'll help you switch. So honest advice. From experts who know Medicare inside and out, you've got 20 minutes. It's a heck of a lot better way to spend your time than endless weeks of calls, texts, and emails. Dial pound 250 and say the words, MyMedicare. That's pound 250, say the words, MyMedicare, and work with a partner you can trust. Chapter.
SPEAKER 18 :
And so my message to everybody... Learn how to behave in our city, but especially learn how to behave in our downtown and our Fountain Square. And our officers will approach you if you start to behave disorderly on Fountain Square. Because these things sometimes start as a minor altercation and then evolve into something bigger. So do not come downtown, especially on Fountain Square, if you don't know how to behave.
SPEAKER 14 :
So that's Cincinnati police chief because there were two shooting victims. And she's like, learn how to behave. Or maybe, I don't know, like police your city. Right? Maybe let's not have restorative justice that allows these people to keep running the streets. Who the hell? By the way, what is up with her hat? I got a Captain and Tennille vibe. Actually, did I say that right? Hang on. I just want to make sure. I think I... Oh, no, that's right. Yeah. OK, good. Go me. Welcome back to the show. Top of the third hour. She's. Hmm. Doesn't know how to wear a hat. I'll just put it like that. But also, you're not going to scold people and think that that's that's not going to work. Maybe just have a city where you're not letting these perps out. the same people over and over again. But this is the police chief. Police chief usually picked by the city council, appointed by the mayor, things like that. So it's always some sort of politician that just rubber stamps whatever the mayor does or city manager, depending on the structure. But this is not the way to do it. Not the way to do it. And the memes on this are pretty funny. What is... I just... I don't know. Learn how to behave in our city or just follow the law or you're going to get arrested and thrown in jail. Don't scold people because the scolding kind of acts like that it could have been any one of you, right? Learn how to behave here. How about not be a thug that shoots people? That's like a Seems like there's a pretty, it's a pretty big thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
The left ends up just lecturing the law abiding people for the actions of the lawless. They do that with everything. They're like, you can't have a gun because bad people use guns. It's like you guys have zero logical argument with your positions. It's sickening.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I agree. There's, I agree. So also one of the things we've been watching after Trump signed the Gaza ceasefire, is Gaza, Hamas, they're not wanting to play properly. They're not wanting to actually follow the peace agreement, which is something else. So apparently, yesterday, they were supposed to hand over 48 hostages yesterday. And they turned over, of the people that they returned, they had four bodies, and then there were 20 hostages. They were males, and they were alive, 20 men. I think that's half of what they had because I read that they had 40 something, but the other remaining 20 some odd 20 that are left are were murdered in captivity. And having their bodies returned is part of the phase one agreement. It's part of phase one of the agreement. And it's important to note that one of the remaining murdered hostages is an American. And then apparently one is a woman because they got rid of all the other women. So already Hamas is dragging its feet on following this agreement. Further, they were seen on Arabic television saying that they they're not going to disarm. Now, remember, I said this earlier in the program that a big part of this is going to be whether or not they disarm. is Hamas going to disarm? They have to. That's part of this whole agreement. So already, technically, it sounds like they're in breach. Or do you think that POTUS is going to say, well, let's give them a second, let them cook and see? I don't know.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think it's kind of what you said in the latter there. Because until you can actually get the support of everybody around there to also correct those mistakes, nothing's going to happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, POTUS had also posted, quote, all 20 hostages are back. The job is not done. The dead have not been returned as promised. And he wrote that in caps. Phase two begins right now. Now, Hamas has also said that they are they're not going to give up. Apparently, they don't want to give up arms and they don't want to give up control. Now, I'm going to tell you, they do this. And POTUS has already said in the very beginning that you either do it this way or not. Otherwise, Israel is going to deal with you however Israel needs to deal with you. And I'm already of that mind. They're not going to disarm. What they said – and this is the – they have their little terror group. They have their little spokesman, Hazem Qasim. He said that Hamas has no need to abide by every word of the 20-point peace plan. Quote, we do not need to limit ourselves to the Israeli terms and the definitions related to weapons, he said. We will not be captives to Israeli terms or demands. This is one of the focal points of the struggle in the next stage after the cessation of aggression in the Gaza Strip. Well, you guys are all the aggression. They've been shooting people nonstop since yesterday. They've been dragging people into the streets that they think work with Israel and shooting them in the head in front of everybody. And they've got little barefoot kids running around helping them. I happen to notice there was one photo of a bunch of these Hamas dogs. And they're standing with a bunch of kids and half of these kids don't even have shoes. But oh boy, these terrorists are all kitted out. They got brand new gear. They got brand new boots. They got stupid bucket hats. Meanwhile, these kids that they're raising to be the next crop of suicide bombers don't even have shoes. So, I mean, if they're going to FFO again, at this point, they're going to be by themselves. They either give up control or they just need to be, every single one of them need to be hunted down like dogs and annihilated. Every single one. And I would even say anyone associated with them. One of the things that the hostages were saying is that the ones that were not kept in the tunnels, some of the women were saying that they were kept in houses like where there were people living. And these people were all working with Hamas. And, you know, they get kickbacks from Hamas for doing all this stuff. It's pretty wild. But for the ceasefire to work, they have to disarm. So what have I always told you? It's always Hamas that violates every single ceasefire, every single agreement, every single anything without fail. It is always Hamas that violates it. And everyone else is like, oh, well, you can't. Look, they bury themselves in a civilian area and surround themselves with these people. You can't do anything. At some point, you either want to end it or you don't. And this is the very... the very clinical part of assessment. You either want it to end or you don't. And just saying, there's going to be some hard decisions that are going to be made here. But I think they're not made by anybody other than Hamas. And so the spokesperson of Hamas apparently suggested that they're not going to abandon their role as the de facto governors of Gaza Strip. They were democratically elected. They were repeatedly elected. They were going to win not only in 21, stay in control of the strip, but they were going to take over West Bank. That's why they suspended those elections. And then the quote unquote Palestinian authority blamed the Jews. Because they were too cowardly to admit that we didn't want to lose all control to Hamas in the West Bank. So we're going to blame the Jews. And that was Abbas, who is also the head of Fatah, which is basically it's very similar to Hamas, except a little less terroristy. And they at least recognize their neighbor to the north's right to exist. This is all just Hamas and this is all colonizers. Hamas are colonizers. These people are colonizers. They're colonizing a strip of land that has always historically been part of one particular people. And they're trying to cosplay and hijack the name that came from an island of people that had already left that area 200 years prior to the second Judean uprising. They're trying to hijack this name that talks that is in reference to people who never even lived there. It's asinine and trying to rewrite history and they're banking on everyone being too stupid to notice, literally trying to fabricate a special ethnicity out of the ether. Come on. Our partners, Patriot Mobile, the only Christian conservative cell phone service in the nation. And Patriot Mobile wants to save you money. They want to save you money. And they also want to make sure that your money is not working against you whenever you go to vote. 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SPEAKER 08 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 14 :
So an explosion was reported at an explosives manufacturer. I mean, if there's going to be an explosion somewhere, it would be that. But this was the Accurate Energetic Systems near Bucksnort, Tennessee. Now, if you come from a place like Bucksnort, Tennessee, you're tough. I can tell. Like, where are you from? Buck Snort. Like, oh, all right then. Like, if you had somebody from the east side of St. Louis, Kane. Like, where do you come from? Buck Snort, Tennessee. What's good? Oh, all right. Well, have a good day, sir. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Yeah, very. They said that three people had minor injuries, but it did. You know, that seems like that could happen in an explosives manufacturing facility. Let's see this. Apparently bacteria in your shower. Internet slowly coming back. There was broadband outage. Let's see a couple of other things. Oh, here's one that I want to make sure that I get into. I think I forgot this one last time. No, no. Oh, yeah. So you guys remember this is a story I was looking for. Sorry, Juan. There was this thing. And the only reason is because I had members of my own family sharing the story about a Texas student who was in an Olive Garden breadstick assault story. And apparently it involved this mugshot of this blonde headed girl and it was supposed to be in College Station and She apparently was like, you didn't give me a tip, so et cetera, et cetera. It is fake. So many things are being shared that are fake. She had a mugshot for a different offense. And somehow someone created this whole story around this girl's thing. And they said it was a St. Louis person. It wasn't. Stick with us. The folks who helped bring you the program, Caltech's KS7 Gen 2 shotgun. It is one of the latest upgrades. You got KS7 Gen 2. You got five-slot Picatinny rail shotgun. Style rail. You can add all kinds of grips, lights. You can keep it flush and sleek. It's a smoother pump action shotgun for faster, cleaner cycling. You got enhanced durability. It has all of the original KS7 advantages. Super lightweight, just under seven pounds unloaded, compact bullpup design. So you got a lot of, I mean, it's great for tight spaces, right? It's a lot of maneuverability in tight spaces, ambidextrous downward shell ejection, seven plus one capacity. It has four stopping power, all of that. You can also get the Defender package. There's a lot of cool things that come along with that. MSRP for this, only $639. It's from Kel-Tec, made in America, Florida-based. K-E-L-T-E-C, weapons.com. It's the KS7 Gen 2. Tell them Dana sent you.
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SPEAKER 10 :
I do. I would love to. I'm just a little busy. I'd love to go to Argentina. I'd like to be like Biden. I'd like to go to the beach. You know, my legs are not quite as thin as his. My legs are slightly heavier. My arms are slightly larger. My body is a little bit larger than his. I'm not sure it would be appreciated on the beach, but I'm not going to take a chance. You won't see me in a bathing suit. You won't see me in a bathing suit sitting on a beach in Argentina, falling down. not being able to lift a three-ounce chair, meant for old people to lift, and he couldn't lift it, so we had a problem. He spent too much time on the beach. Somebody told him that he looked good in a bathing suit. And you'd see this guy on the beach all the time. I never quite understood it. Steve, go ahead. Preview your meeting with Ukraine President Zelenskyy on Friday you expect to talk about weapons. Yeah Interesting meeting going and look I'm very disappointed because Vladimir and I had a very good relationship Probably still do I don't know why he continues with this war. This war has been so bad for him He's going into four years of a war that should have beaten. He should have won that war in one week He's now gonna soon be into his fourth year He's lost A million and a half soldiers probably, close. Certainly in terms of wounded and no legs and no arms and all the things that happen in horrible wars. It's a horrible war. That's the biggest thing that's happened since World War II in terms of death. It's bigger than any of them. I settled eight of them. The biggest is that in terms of death. Incredible. I think India, Pakistan had great potential too. We did a great job in that one. He's got to really settle this war. And, you know, they have long lines waiting for gasoline in Russia right now. They have long lines. Who thought that was going to happen? And all of a sudden, his economy is going to collapse. And I'd like to see him do well. I mean, I had a very good relationship with Vladimir Putin, but he just doesn't want to end that war. And I think it's making him look very bad.
SPEAKER 01 :
He could end it.
SPEAKER 10 :
He could end it quickly. And I have to tell you, I give credit because who would think that Ukraine could have fought Russia for four years to essentially a standstill? Now, there has been some early, early, you know, before.
SPEAKER 14 :
I liked his I liked his discussion of the bathing suit and Joe Biden being on a beach in Argentina. That's one for the books for sure. But we are listening in to POTUS taking questions. And he also said, look, Hamas is going to disarm. And if they don't, we're going to disarm them. And the reporter goes, well, how are you going to do that? He goes, I don't got to tell you that. That was his response, right? That was his response. He's like, I don't got to tell you that. So I don't know. I feel like Hamas maybe want to abide by that peace deal. Otherwise, POTUS is going to go, well, Israel, you know, we tried with them. You're going to have to take care of it. Just do what you got to do because he's already made that clear. That's the do what you got to do part. That's when that kicks in. So we'll see. But one of the other things, and as Cain was noting, the whole issue with oil, because energy is national security, right? Energy is also And this has been a bit of a struggle with regards to NATO nations buying, you know, dirty gas and cheap oil, whether it's from Russia or China. And China's been propping up Russia with Russian oil. But now with oil at, what, 57, 56, 57 a barrel. Yeah, Russia's, yeah, they're not going to be able to. It's going to change not just. This is. It's not just changing the balance of power in the Middle East and shifting it away from Islamism. It is also shifting the finding the best way to say this, the apparatus that's used to power a lot of these nations. oil and gas. It's shifting the origin of that away from countries that really do pose a geopolitical threat to United States, our interests, meaning literally us. So it's going to be very interesting to see what happens in the next, really, I would say few days. I don't think that they're going to let this refusal to follow the agreement to go on for an extended period of time. So these are all very... This is very interesting. This is why Cain also wears tinfoil hats about refinery fires. There were two, one in Cali, one in Texas. And we need more refineries. So you think someone set them because we can't have lower gas prices?
SPEAKER 08 :
I guess it could be a coincidence that as soon as the oil prices started decreasing after Trump started drilling more, that then we see these refinery fires because... Our problem has always been we're at 100% capacity as it relates to refining this oil into gasoline. And they're not building new refineries because now current regulations don't allow it. So if they accidentally, in quotes, have a refinery fire, that's going to pause us seeing that savings in our gas tanks because we're at 100% capacity right now. And so things will be now slower moving as it relates to the benefit to the consumer.
SPEAKER 13 :
True.
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SPEAKER 14 :
One of the big topics of controversy has been Obama's presidential library in Chicago. And I've seen a number of different presidential libraries, but this one. Well, it looks like a brutalist suppository. I have no other way to describe this thing. It's facing massive backlash because apparently the design flaws, the skyrocketing costs, that's not even all of it. I mean, there was a fight over the land even from the very beginning. I mean, it looks like, you know, a Soviet bloc design. It looks like something that should be in Eastern Europe. This is heinous. It's so bad, Kane.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, it looks like a prison. It looks like when you drive up shackled by law enforcement, you're like, oh, man, that's where I'm going to spend the next five years, huh?
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, it looks really bad. I don't know. I mean, I... And I don't know if you all have kept up with... all of the back and forth with it over the years, the fights over just the construction, the objections from the people who live around there, the people who say that they're just destroying like this, you know, the grounds there are very beautiful because they got to put in a big old parking lot for it. It looks like a housing project.
SPEAKER 08 :
It looks way worse than that.
SPEAKER 14 :
It does. Yeah. I mean, I don't... Dude, why is it so brutalist? I mean... I mean, I guess that makes sense because you're Barack Obama. This is like one of the ugliest structures. Even when it's all finished, it looks like one of the ugliest structures ever. It looks like a bad Minecraft build. I mean, there are kids who could make better stuff in Minecraft than this.
SPEAKER 08 :
I want to see the conceptual art that was given to Obama for him to decide yay or nay on the project.
SPEAKER 14 :
You mean you want to see some of the other... Some of the other suggestions that he was given?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that or the actual final thing he decided on. Like, how much does it actually look like what he was told it was going to look like? Because if he was told it was going to look like that and he still said yes, I fully question his ability to make decisions.
SPEAKER 14 :
Somebody said the prison in Joliet, Illinois is better looking than this thing, which is true, actually, because that's I mean, that has like nice stonework and you got some turrets up there. It's very pretty. This thing just it looks horrible. And it's so expensive. It's so expensive. This thing. I think they've gone into what it so it hit the 500 million mark. This was back in 2017. It was already over budget then. Yep. It's jumped to 700 million. That was just in 2021. So it's actually.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's probably closer to a billy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like way over that. How in the world? So the original, you know what the original estimate was when they first. The original estimate was 300 million.
SPEAKER 08 :
So we're three times that now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, okay, so you're right. $850 is technically what it stands at right now, $850 million. Explain to me how this is $850 million.
SPEAKER 08 :
Concrete's expensive?
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, it can't just be that.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, it's mostly concrete. Look at the outside. It looks like a prison. Look at that. That's the Joliet prison there on the right.
SPEAKER 14 :
The Reagan Library was $7 million. And I've been there.
SPEAKER 08 :
That prison looks way better.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, the prison looks way better. That looks like... Are there no windows in the last... Like a baddie's lair from He-Man. You put a skull on it. It's Castle Gray skull me, dude. That's just messed up. All right. Today in stupidity.
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Well, speaking of Obama, this is cut 17 one. The guy who actually used the federal government to reward his friends and punish his political enemies says this.
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The point is that we have blown through just in the last six months a whole range of. of not simply assumptions, but rules and laws and practices that were put in place to ensure that nobody's above the law. And that we don't use the federal government.
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Oh my gosh, she just won't stop talking. All right, that does it for us today, folks. Find us on Substack, Chapter and Verse, as well as YouTube and Facebook. Like and subscribe. Back with you tomorrow.
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This was super interesting, and especially to see that everything can lead to something else, like how cooking led you to be, you know, the founder, the president of a business, and even like your activities in high school, middle school, like led to this moment.
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In this engaging episode of Washington Watch, guest host Jody Heiss takes us through a whirlwind of pressing international and domestic issues. President Trump’s significant role in brokering a historic ceasefire with Hamas in Gaza sets the stage for intense discussions on the region's fragile peace. We explore the dire challenges posed by Hamas's control and the complex negotiations involved in returning hostages. Expert analysis by Dr. A.J. Nolte and impressive insights from Casey Harper give listeners a thorough understanding of the Middle East dynamics as peace opportunities unfold.
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from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and sound bites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Heiss.
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If they don't disarm, we will disarm them. They know I'm not playing games, and it'll happen quickly and perhaps violently. We did something monumental. We got the hostages, man.
SPEAKER 03 :
That was President Trump today at the White House saying that Hamas will be disarmed, and he's praising the Gaza ceasefire deal that he signed in Egypt. Welcome to this October 14th edition of Washington Watch. I'm your host Jody Heiss filling in today for Tony Perkins. Thank you for tuning in. All right, coming up today, a Trump-brokered ceasefire certainly is bringing hope But Hamas executions and missing Israeli hostage bodies, well, those are tough questions. So is this ceasefire a rather fragile one? And what will happen with the upcoming phase in all of this? Dr. A.J. Nolte of Regent University's Israel Institute will join us later to break all of that down. And China is engaged even as we speak in some brutal crackdowns on churches. Some are saying this is the worst in decades. Bob Fu is the founder of China Aid. He's also FRC's senior fellow on international religious freedom. He will join us later live from Taiwan with new insights. Well, thanks to President Trump, a ceasefire was signed in Egypt to stop the violence in Gaza and to free the hostages. And yet new videos now show Hamas executing seven men who were accused of working with Israel. Once again, just revealing the brutality of that group. And Hamas actually confirmed the video that has been seen as they're trying to tighten control of the area. And of course, all of this is taking place while the deceased hostages, the remains, are still a key, key challenge in all of this. Well, joining me now is Washington Stand reporter Casey Harper. Casey, give us the latest. What's unfolding in the Middle East as of now?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah Jody, well families of the Israeli hostages celebrated their release yesterday, but the families of those hostages confirmed dead are now demanding the return of their loved ones. So in a letter to the U.S. Special Envoy, the families urged that maximum pressure be put on Hamas to fulfill the ceasefire deal. So far, and this is breaking news, Hamas has returned only eight of the bodies, with at least 20 more still missing in Gaza. Now, the International Committee of the Red Cross said today that the returning of the bodies of hostages and detainees killed in the Israel-Habas war will take time. They called it a massive challenge because many of those bodies are buried under rubble.
SPEAKER 14 :
The research for human remains, it's obviously even bigger challenge than having, I would say, the people alive being released. That's a massive challenge. As you know, there will be human remains being handed over from both sides, the Israeli authorities, but also Hamas.
SPEAKER 12 :
Meanwhile, as you shared earlier, Jody, many were troubled by that video and the sight of Hamas fighters who have reemerged on the streets, carrying out those public executions, carrying firearms, and just taking retribution on those who collaborated with Israel. Also, almost 2,000 Palestinians were released yesterday. But that raises serious concerns about the long-term stability because many of those released have been identified as murderers or even terrorists. So despite the ceasefire and the hostages released, peace still remains pretty fragile, Jody.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it really looks like an extremely delicate situation. If I can, Casey, let's turn back to D.C. It's now day 14 of the shutdown. Doesn't appear to be any kind of end in sight. What can you tell us as to what's happening on Capitol Hill right now?
SPEAKER 12 :
That's right, Jody. Well, the Senate is set to vote for the eighth time on a bill to reopen the government, but it's expected to fail once again as Democrats continue pushing for their spending demands. Now, House Speaker Mike Johnson, he's kept the House in recess, and he says there's no reason to return until the Senate acts. Now, earlier today at the White House, President Trump, he blamed the Democrats and their woke policies for this shutdown during a meeting with Argentina's president.
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Summers are weakened. I mean, he's going to finish his career as a failed politician. He's a failed politician. He's allowed the radical left to take over the Democrat Party. So if they write books about that, if they write books about him, they're going to have to say that his career ended by allowing the radical left to take over the party. I mean, I won an election in a landslide. because people are not into the radical left, and the Democrat Party is. People didn't want to see men playing in women's sports. They didn't want to see transgender for everybody. They didn't want to see all of the different things that they do that's so crazy. Open borders.
SPEAKER 12 :
The president, as usual, not mincing words there. But meanwhile, President Trump is using the shutdown to protect military and law enforcement pay while cutting waste in federal agencies. So the White House, they're leading this effort and they're using special authority to restructure the federal workforce and redirect funding to those core national priorities, Jody.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you, Casey. We'll, in fact, here in just a moment be discussing more of this with Congresswoman Claudia Tenney. But what else are you tracking, Casey?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, Jody. Well, today at the White House, even as we speak, President Trump is awarding Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously on what would have been his 32nd birthday. Now, Kirk, who was tragically killed last month, he left behind a grieving family, his wife, Erica Kirk, who received the award on his behalf. Turning Point USA COO Tyler Bauer, he called the ceremony a deeply emotional but well-deserved tribute, Jody.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. Casey, thank you so much. Appreciate you giving us the highlights as to what's happening. All right. I want to go back now to unpack some of the latest regarding the government shutdown. And joining me now to discuss this and more is Congresswoman Claudia Tenney. She serves on several very important committees in the House, including the Ways and Means Committee, as well as the Select Committee on Intelligence Committee. She does represent New York, the 24th congressional district there. Congresswoman Tinney, welcome back to Washington Watch. Always great to have you.
SPEAKER 18 :
Great to be on. Great to see you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so last week, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer was criticized heavily when he told a reporter that when it comes to the shutdown, every day gets better for us. And of course, we're assuming us would be referring to the Democrats in his mind. Well, today, President Trump says that the Democrats are literally getting killed politically by this ongoing shutdown. So What is it, if anything, that the Democrats think they're gaining in this?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, it's interesting. I just heard you show the clip of President Trump, and I think it's really instructive to listen to what the Democrats are actually saying and doing. So, you know, I'm from New York, so we are, you know, hopefully going to avert a massive danger, which is going to be the election of Zoran Mandami as the mayor of the city of New York, which unfortunately looks like it's probably going to happen. The other thing is the Democrats are actually, you know, looking for some cause to counter Trump. And this theory was posed actually by Nate Cohn, who's the political analyst for The New York Times. And you know they're not left-leaning or right-leaning at all. They're left-leaning and, in fact, absurdly so at times. But he pointed out something interesting, and they did a poll that last year only 1% of Americans actually are concerned about their health care. And so the Democrats know that's not the big issue, but they've used this moment to create this crisis, to focus attention on healthcare, to say that they want to add to this continuing resolution their own funding, because it's a moment that they can get, they can shine a spotlight, they can get a lot of attention, they can use this game or gimmick to get people back on healthcare on issues that they've traditionally been good at. And this is argued by this Nate Cohen in his article. Well, what's interesting is his base, they just want to counter Trump. Anything Trump does, they want to go against him, but the American people actually support a lot of Trump's policies, you know, talking about taking biological males out of women's sports, ending the DEI and going to merit-based systems, dealing with the border and sealing the border and making sure that we're respecting our own citizens and making sure that they're able to prosper, getting dangerous illegal cartel members out of our communities. Those things that President Trump is doing, along with, oh, by the way, probably the most important Middle East peace deal in the entire world and probably in history happening yesterday with President Trump and a real spectacle. And where are the free Palestine people today? You know what they're doing? They're out there complaining that they still aren't getting enough and then they're not for the ceasefire until Palestine gets everything they want. Palestine, you know, the Palestine plight industrial complex, as I call it. driven by Iran, Hamas, to disrupt the Middle East, when yesterday you saw all these Middle Eastern leaders saying, enough. We want peace and prosperity. That's what we want. And that's why I think the Democrats are losing on this, because people are like, you know you want to add 1.5 trillion when we're 37 trillion dollars in debt and we're spending two trillion dollars more a year than we're actually taking in and our revenues as you said i serve on the ways and means committee we have the highest revenues into the u.s treasury than we have ever had in the history of this country and yet we're overspending and we're seeing this huge deficit people want to see us prosper and president trump knows that our greatest strength is our economic strength, our economic dominance, and a strong military and projecting that strength, which is why he was able to do what he was able to do yesterday on the world stage with so many leaders of so many different countries with divergent views.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I think you're spot on with that, Congresswoman. And, you know, you look at all of this, the Democrats, I think, are getting hammered with all of this. And at the same time, their ridiculous demands, as you say, of another one and a half trillion dollars. But while they are demanding that, the president, really, for many of us, a silver lining in all of this. is eliminating most recently the Office of Population Affairs, which is an agency heavily responsible for funding Planned Parenthood and pushing all sorts of sexualized material on our kids. But the president is releasing a lot of people. The government is shrinking while the Democrats continue trying to push for what you're referring to as just things that are just simply not going to happen.
SPEAKER 18 :
You know, and what's really important distinction there, what is the president dissolving? We have a lot of agencies, as you know, you served in Congress. We have decades old, you know, different missions, different programs that are unauthorized, but are continuing to be funded because the mission is over. And they're going back and saying, why are we continue to fund these positions, these people, these that are not doing the job we need to do? But at the same time, What President Trump is doing is finding ways to make sure our military gets paid. This is really important. He went and found an $8 billion research and development fund to be sure that our military gets paid because it's not fair that our military is not getting, they're going to work, they're keeping us safe, and they're also, by the way, the shutdown, You know, having them unpaid, having them not investing in the readiness we need tomorrow, having them not investing in the technologies we need to counter our enemies, that is all being undermined and compromised by this shutdown because, number one, we're in a Democratic continuing resolution dispute. This is their funding level. But also, President Trump has gone and found other creative ways, like using the tariff money to actually fund the WIC program. Truly poor women and women with children are able to get the milk and the food that they need to keep their children going. The Democrats don't care. It's all about cruelty and inflicting pain. And that's what Chuck Schumer is talking about. We'll continue to inflict pain, and they'll have to give in. But Trump's finding ways to actually protect the American people, to protect and respect the taxpayers. the truly needy people in our communities and especially our military and yet we heard this morning that potentially some of the democrats are thinking about suing the president so he can't get our troops paid because they want to continue to inflict pain so they can provide Medicaid at unconscionable levels to people who don't earn it and deserve it. And just a fact, Jody, eight million people in the state of New York are on Medicaid or on what we call the essential plan, which is extended Medicaid, and only five million are eligible. So that's compromising. They are the people that are truly trying to help them.
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Congresswoman, thank you so much. Fantastic information. Stay tuned, friends. Much more coming your way right here on Washington Watch.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thank you so much for joining us today. Jody Heiss filling in for Tony, who is traveling today. All right, while the federal funding battle continues to persist, there is another battle that's unfolding this month, and that's America's trade war with China. While President Trump has paved the way for at least moderated peace in the Middle East, When it comes to America's trade war with China, he's making it very clear that he's prepared to go toe-to-toe with the communist nation if it makes major escalations like the one they did last week. U.S. Trade Representative Jameson Greer told CNBC earlier today that President Trump could slap China with 100% tariffs. He could do that November 1st or even sooner, depending on Beijing's next move.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think a lot depends on what the Chinese do. They are the ones who have chosen to make this major escalation. And like I said, our agreement was we're going to keep our tariffs low if you keep the rare earths flowing. They're now saying that they're going to control more rare earths and downstream products. And so it makes sense that we can raise our tariffs.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. So what will or what might China do next? Joining me now to discuss this is Congressman Burgess Owens. He's vice chair of the House Education Workforce Committee. He represents the 4th Congressional District of Utah. Congressman Owens, great to see you again. Welcome back to Washington Watch.
SPEAKER 01 :
Hi, Jody. Looking forward to chatting with you once again, my friend. It's your honor.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. So, you know, I guess you can look at this two different ways. Some people might say that the U.S. is at a disadvantage because we have so much imports from China. Others say China is at the disadvantage because they need the U.S. as their largest consumer. But it's almost as if China is testing President Trump to see how he might respond to their escalation. What do you think of all this?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, Jody, you have to understand the communist mindset. They're bullies. They will take advantage of it any way they can. That's what they do. It's a muscle memory with them. They're finally dealing with a president who's been made for this day. It is amazing. We have a president who's a genius when it comes down to business, to negotiating. And on top of that, he loves our country dearly. So he wants to make sure that his legacy is what we do to make sure that this American people are not only protected, but allowed to live the American dream. So up to this point, you just have to wonder, how in the world did we get here? What kind of leadership do we have to put us in a position that we can be held hostage for everything that really matters? Rare earth, pharmaceuticals, you name it. And what President Trump is pretty much saying is that we have one thing that no other country has, a remarkable middle class. It is very, very valuable. It's what every country wants to take advantage of or to be able to benefit from. And he's simply saying, you know what, guys, if you want to do that, that's fine, but pay for it. We have a product that we want a good return on investment. If you want to have access to our consumer base, our investor base, then we're going to make sure you pay for that. And so it's a win-win. You benefit from a benefit to access. We benefit because we do have the product that everybody wants. So I'm excited about being around to see this happen, Jody, as well. Long overdue. And it just says a lot about the reckless leadership we've had up until President Trump.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think that's a point well taken, Congressman. I mean, the president certainly is sticking to his belief of peace through strength. And there's no question that that belief system has certainly been working for him. But at the same time, he is a peacemaker. So he doesn't want war. In fact, his team, as I understand, even right now is in talks with China trying to avoid any escalation in all of this. So he sounds pretty positive on how things are going. So what are your thoughts on all this? Is the president moving in the right direction with this and trying to negotiate while at the same time holding a pretty big stick?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I'll say this. You're seeing something happen in Congress, Jody, and you know how important this is. We as a conference come together like we ever have. We're the three or four seat margin, and yet we continue to win on votes. That's because we as a conference have gotten to where we trust the president. We trust his instincts. We trust his ability to love our country and do the best for us. He also trusts the fact he will fight for us. So in essence, I think as Americans understand this, they see how he thinks, how he fights, and how he doesn't back down, our confidence will be even more so in that he's going to make some moves that we might not understand. Many of us are not negotiators. So we don't understand what a true negotiator does to get to the bottom line. We just have to trust that he will do the right thing. And in the day, he's gonna, he's noble enough to know that if anything's hurting our country, he will make a change. The bottom line is America comes first. And so I have total trust that he's gonna end up doing the very best he can. And this is one last thing, Jody. One thing that happened when he said fight, fight, fight, for the first time around the world, we understood. what a true winner, what a fighter was, instinctively. It was not scripted. So that's something he brings to the plate also. He's the real deal. And so the China communist people, they know that too, and they're going to deal with him accordingly.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it's amazing how often he is right on so many things. I remember when he started this whole Liberation Day, the tariffs back in April, the legacy media was fear mongering. This is going to destroy the economy and and globally as well as here in the United States. And certainly all of that simply has not happened. One more question before I let you leave, Congressman. Pretty important day today awarding Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom, marking what would have been his 32nd birthday today. Your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 01 :
You know, there was only one Charlie Kirk, and many of us realized the power he had after we lost him. But at the end of the day, what the adversary means for evil, having a father means for good. And what we're doing right now, we're seeing young people finally understanding what they had an opportunity to see and witness. And we're getting back to understanding that we have to have these conversations, tough conversations, We also understand we need to make sure educating our kids to have enough confidence that they can have conversations that might not be comfortable and still be respectful. That is the message of Charlie Curtin. And I'm just thankful that we had a chance to see the impact of this young man, 31 years old, and he's impacted young and old. And we just now have to replicate that, which I think we will now that we see and have records of his thoughts and the way he thought through the process.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it is amazing. I know it was a very difficult day as well as a day of great honor for his wife, Erica, to be a part of that award ceremony. What an amazing man he was in every way. Thank you so much, Congressman Burgess Owens of Utah.
SPEAKER 01 :
Jody, his legacy moves on and we'll see that in the generations to come. So I'm excited to see that be part of it. So thanks so much for that opportunity to speak on this for sure.
SPEAKER 03 :
I am as well. Thank you, Congressman Owen. It's always great to see you. All right, coming up, China may be engaged with the Trump administration on trade talks, but the Chinese Communist Party has been engaging in something else. They've been persecuting and going after churches. We'll unpack all of these details right after the break, so stay with us.
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Thank you so much for joining us today on Washington Watch. Welcome back. I'm Jody Heiss. An honor to be filling in for Tony today. All right. It's no secret whatsoever that the Chinese Communist Party asserts control over religious groups in China and restricts the activities and freedoms of people of faith there. And that certainly is just putting it lightly. But there is now a much greater crackdown on churches. It's taking place across multiple provinces. That largely took place over the weekend, and it now has alarms going off, not only in China, but at all different places all around the world. Some are calling it the most extensive and coordinated wave of persecution against churches in decades. So what happened? And what can we make of all of this? Well, joining me now to discuss this live from Taiwan is Dr. Bob Fu. He's both the founder and president of China Aid, as well as a senior fellow for international religious freedom here at the Family Research Council. Bob, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER 20 :
Thank you, Judy, for having me.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. There's a lot going on. And I know it was touched on a little bit on yesterday's program, but there wasn't enough time, unfortunately, to get into the details. So why don't we start with, if you can just share with us what's been taking place the last few days and with the various church pastors being arrested and so forth, what's happening in China?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes, Julie. Since October 9th, within 72 hours, the Communist Party in China basically had launched a most coordinated, orchestrated by the central government crackdown against the Chinese house church, namely one of the largest urban house church network called the Zion Church. that they have over 5,000 members in 40 cities across China. And just because the church's explosive growth, the Communist Party took this very almost unprecedented sense of the Cultural Revolution 40-some years ago by rounding up nearly 30 major church leaders, including the founder of this church, Pastor Ezra Jin, and many of the senior pastors across China. I mean, they were being rounded up at midnight, and some in front of their infant daughters and children. And their mothers and some family members were even hospitalized because of the terrorist style of attack against these church leaders.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, China says, at least on paper, I'll put it that way, the Constitution says that it is a country that supports religious belief and so forth. In fact, a spokesperson from the Chinese foreign ministry said that their country protects religious freedom. But what's the reality? Are they just ignoring the Constitution?
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, this is a total violation of the Chinese own constitution. And certainly it's also a brutal violation against the international norms on the protection of religious freedom. So what happens in China shows that the CCP and its leadership, led by this Emperor Xi Jinping, has declared a war against the Christian faith. And across China, since he took power, many, many hundreds of churches have been under this massive crackdown. and pastors were arrested and sentenced to up to 15 years in the past few months, many of them being accused of committing fraud for simply taking the offerings and tithing. So the CCP basically criminalizing the tithing and offering of the churches for the first time since the Cultural Revolution in 1960s.
SPEAKER 03 :
Very, very concerning. We've only got a couple of minutes here. So real quickly, what needs to happen to turn things around, and how would you encourage our viewers, our listeners, to be praying for this situation?
SPEAKER 20 :
So, Julius, we all know, as the history has told us, both from the biblical history and the history for the revival of the Chinese church, shows the more persecution there is, the more revival there will be. That actually was the first response by Pastor Ezra Jean, whose three children are all American citizens. Actually, one of their children, the daughter of Grace, is working in the Senate Republican Study Committee. So it's really, I think we need to pray for the perseverance, pray for the protection of those who are in jailed. And as we remember those who are in bond, as if we are bonded with them, like Hebrews 13.3 told us. And of course, we also need to speak up for them. Like Secretary Rubio has spoken, and former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and including former Vice President Mike Pence, had already spoken against this violation and calling the CCP to immediately release those innocent pastors who has done nothing wrong except preaching the gospel and building healthy civil society in China. We need to pray for them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you so much, Dr. Bob Fu, Senior Fellow for International Religious Freedom here at FRC and President of China Aid. Folks, there is an issue that we all need to be not only aware of, but persistent in praying for. All right, we're going to dive deeper into what's happening in the Middle East now that the live hostage has been released. Where do we go from here? Dr. A.J. Nolte will join me. Stay tuned.
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You're tuned in to Washington Watch. I'm your guest host today, Jody Heiss, filling in for Tony. And listen, it's almost here, but it's not too late. Our Pray, Vote, Stand Summit is going to be taking place the latter part of this week, October 17th and 18th, Friday and Saturday. It'll take place at the Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills in Southern California. Uh, Friends, this is a powerful, powerful gathering. Some of you, perhaps even right now, are realizing this is something you need to go for. I want to encourage you to get more information. You can even register by going to PrayVoteStand.org. That's PrayVoteStand.org. All right. Yesterday, we've talked about it. Everyone's talking about it. Yesterday was certainly a historic day as the release of the remaining living hostages who had been held by Hamas for over two years. And there was a lot of fanfare, of course, yesterday over the peace summit that took place in Egypt, which brought together world leaders to mark what was referred to as the historic dawn of a new Middle East. But if yesterday was the first step toward wider peace in the region, how much further is there yet to go? And what kind of obstacles remain? Well, joining me now to discuss this and more is Dr. A.J. Nolte, his associate professor and director of the Israel Institute at Regent University. Dr. Nolte, always great to have you on the program. Thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER 11 :
Jody, always good to be here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thanks for having me. Okay, let's start with yesterday's summit in Egypt. What came out of that?
SPEAKER 11 :
I think the main outcome from that is just how much leverage and influence the president has right now in the Muslim world. He's got the hot hand, and he's riding that to try to get as much as he can out of it. I think the other thing that we really have to talk about, even before we talk about Egypt, is Israel. the reception of Trump, the way Israel has responded to Trump, and, you know, sort of the impact that him, and really it was a lot of his leverage that got the hostages back. That impact on Israel has been outstanding. Then you look at the Muslim world and you've got, you know, the president of Pakistan is now saying they want to nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. So right now Trump has the hot hand. He's found something in terms of moving in the Middle East that has been effective And I think everybody's kind of waiting and watching to see what he's going to do and how they're going to respond. But right now, he's actually, I think, got more leverage in this situation than American presidents are used to having in the Middle East.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it's pretty stunning, the leverage that he appears to have. But let me ask you this. I've mentioned it a couple of times. What we saw yesterday is phase one. So unpack for us, if you would, what does the next phase look like? And where is this thing going from here?
SPEAKER 11 :
So the nitty gritty of Trump's plan is that now you have to actually figure out what's the next step in Gaza. Who's going to be in charge? What's the civilian authority going to look like? They've talked about having some sort of Arab and Muslim solution for that. What does that look like? The point that everyone's really talking about is how do we get Hamas removed as a military presence? I think that's important. That's key. And you've got to have trusted actors that can come and provide peace and security. One thing that's not getting talked about as much is what's the education going to look like? Are you going to have reform of the education system in Gaza that has bred this radicalism? And there's talk about interfaith dialogue. I'd like to hear more about religious freedom being part of the future in Gaza because there's a lot of Islamic supremacists that would say we're committed to peaceful coexistence. As long as you submit to Islam, right? You can peacefully coexist, but you're not equal. Religious freedom is necessary for equality. So those are, I think, the hallmarks that I'm watching for. I think it's difficult for us to get there. The one good thing I can say in terms of the proximate issue, the immediate issue, which is what's going to happen with Hamas, is with the living hostages out, Hamas has less room to maneuver. without the risk of Israel coming back in a military way and they're having reprisals. I don't think that's off the table at this point. And I think hopefully the president and Prime Minister Netanyahu can continue to apply their leverage effectively to build at least something that's sustainable in Gaza moving forward.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and yet we're already seeing executions of Hamas continues to carry out with some of their own citizens who they deemed helped Israel. I wanted to ask you this. In light of what you were talking about a moment ago with President Trump's leverage to accomplish what he's been doing. It was interesting to me that U.S. Secretary Anthony, former U.S. Secretary Anthony Blinken, has been trying to take credit for President Trump's 20-point peace plan, saying that in reality all of that was nothing but an add-on to the Biden administration and what they had developed. How do you respond to that?
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, Jody, victory has a thousand fathers. Laughter. Yeah. Yeah. Victory has a thousand fathers. The Biden administration was in charge from October 8th through January 19th, October 8th, 2023 through January 19th. January 19th of 2025. They didn't get it done. And if they're saying this, this was not the same deal that was because Israel has more leverage in the deal that Trump has actually to maintain a presence in Gaza. So the Biden administration was not able to get this done. And it wasn't the same framework. And part of the other reason we can say it wasn't the same framework is because the stumbling block was always Hamas. The deal was actually that Biden offered was more favorable. But the Biden administration followed the same consensus, unfortunately, of some Republicans and all the Democrats, which is you have to persuade and you have to speak softly to the Arabs and pressure the Israelis. Trump understood that the Arab countries in the Middle East respect strength. He demonstrated strength. um he and then when he put he acted from a position of strength he was able to put as a non-negotiable hamas is going to de-radicalize disarm and israel is going to maintain a security buffer in gaza that's in trump's plan and so that's the basis of negotiation so no it's not the same plan and even if it was the same plan the biden administration had such a flawed understanding of how to operate in the middle east that they were never going to get there because you have to project american strength and american strength leads people to be afraid of what Trump is going to do. And then he doesn't necessarily threaten, but he takes steps to show, here, I'm going to do you a favor, but then I want you to reciprocate. So he understands the transactional nature. And so he just has a better feel for the region than professional diplomats like Tony Blinken. And I think that's all something we need to be thinking about as we try to understand the Middle East and how to operate effectively there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and when he sent a bunker buster to destroy a nuclear facility in Iran, I mean, that kind of helps with adding the strength of what this guy says he means. So let's go back to the hostages. You were talking about that a moment ago. One of the concerns that a lot of people have, I think, rightfully so, as it relates to the future of the Middle East, deals with these hostages. Okay, so we have 20 living hostages that have been held by Hamas were finally released. But in return, Israel released nearly 2,000 Palestinians, and at least somewhere in the ballpark of 250 of those had been convicted of crimes, including murder and deadly attacks and terrorism, all sorts of stuff. So this is a concerning issue with all of this. I mean, we all remember it only took 19 terrorists to commit the 9-11 attacks on the U.S. So what about this? How important is this issue of some 2,000 more or less being released back to Hamas?
SPEAKER 11 :
It's definitely an issue to keep an eye on, particularly in that Judea and Samaria region, which is, I think, where the locus of conflict and the difficult thorny issues that haven't been resolved are all going to be located kind of in one spot. Even if Gaza gets fixed, that's still going to be an issue, right? And, of course, you did have the Sinwar deal, or Sinwar came out, the guy who planned October 7th, in the last hostage release deal. But the unfortunate reality is prisoner releases for hostages is a longstanding precedent that existed. And I think on October 8th, everybody in Israel realistically understood that that last batch of living hostages wasn't coming out without a lot of prisoners being released. Our hope is that the Israeli intelligence is very focused now that they're not as divided in terms of their focus in quite as many fronts, that they can be focused on this and prevent anything from happening because they don't have to worry about some of the other. You know, it's not a seven front war anymore. Right. So they have to worry about some of the other fronts to the same extent. So that would be the optimistic case. But it is definitely a concern. It's definitely something to watch. But I think it was a price Israel knew they were going to have to pay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And I think as a price had to be paid to get to where we are right now. And then the question for this point, obviously, is Hamas going to hold their end of the deal? We'll see that. But part of them holding their end of the deal is the bodies of the deceased hostages. Only four of them have been returned so far. And quite frankly, Dr. Nolte, it's not looking very likely that the bodies of the others are going to be returned by Thursday for sure. Could that risk potential stability of this whole ceasefire and the ability potentially to progress to the second phase of this peace deal?
SPEAKER 11 :
The whole thing is an unstable powder keg, right? I mean, and the devil's in the details and we know Hamas is going to try to cheat at some point. It's a shock to me that they didn't try to cheat with the 20. I'm glad we got them out. But yes, they're absolutely going to try to cheat and they're going to try to negotiate and they're going to try to weasel out as much as possible. Trump needs to consistently continue to apply leverage to the actors in the Middle East, particularly Qatar, that seem to have a little bit of a funder's veto over Hamas's actions. That's going to have to be maintained throughout this process. And you should also expect that Hamas is going to try to throw wrinkles as much as possible because they want to preserve as much of their influence and infrastructure in Gaza as they possibly can. And so you're going to have to watch them every step of the way. Right. And so, you know, our hope is it'll continue to progress well. we can rejoice because the hostages are out. The final verdict of this is not written, but credit to President Trump. I've got to tell you, Jody, I didn't think that all the living hostages would come home. It's the first time in my time of studying the Middle East that I've actually been unduly pessimistic about the Middle East. And so I think Trump deserves full credit for that. And Yahoo deserves credit. They played things very well over the past several months in setting this up very carefully, I believe. And we take the win today and recognize the fact that starting tomorrow, you're going to have to watch Hamas very carefully because they're going to cheat six ways to Sunday if they can get away with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. Yeah. And that brings up another concern that I have and that many people are asking about right now. And that is those who signed yesterday's Declaration for Enduring Peace and Prosperity. Among those who signed it was the emir of the state of Qatar, as well as the president of Turkey. And Both of those are kind of questionable there. There's some concern expressed about the role that those countries may have in all of this. Can you kind of break that down for us as to why this is potentially concerning?
SPEAKER 11 :
So why is it potentially concerning? Because really, there are three power blocks in the Middle East right now. One is, of course, Iran and all of its proxies, which is just taking it on the chin. The second is what I call the status quo coalition. That's the United States, Israel, the Gulf countries and some of the other Arab Sunni states like Jordan and Egypt. And the third are what I would call the Sunni revisionists. These are people who are not fully on board with Iran, but they're potentially open to a more Islamic-flavored, perhaps in Turkey's case, a neo-Ottoman flavor to the Middle East and changing up that status quo. And so Turkey and Qatar are trying to set themselves up as a regional power block. We've seen their moves in Syria. They've been doing stuff throughout the Arab Spring. where they're not quite on the side of iran they're not quite on the side of the status quo folks but they're setting themselves up as a third force that can balance between them and if iran stumbles they're going to step into the gap now why is it important to have turkey and qatar signatory to this because if they sign on to the peace deal and the peace deal you know and and the declaration of intent and all that says no messing around and no funding nonsense in gaza if they don't sign on you can't hold them accountable if they do anything about it And I think President Trump has a decent amount of leverage over both because they're in NATO, because they're U.S. assets. But I think you're going to have to watch them very carefully. Keep an eye on them. Do not trust them. Make sure that you have and maintain that leverage over them. And if they start to act in ways that are violating the deal, just, you know, a little bit of a reminder of the fact that the United States is watching and will take action if they do things that we don't particularly think could destabilize the situation. So I think Trump is making the judgment right now that it's better to have them in the tent where you can keep an eye on them. And that's probably the right call for now in the long term. I think Turkey and Qatar have the potential to be every bit as dangerous as the Iranian axis, if not more so, because they'll have more legitimacy in the region because of history, because of Sunni Islam, for a number of reasons.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, and that's exactly why I wanted to bring this up. I mean, it is, I think, when you say probably the right decision today, that's well said. Just less than a couple of minutes left. Let me throw this last question out here to you. Now as we have what some are calling a new dawn in the Middle East, President Trump now has to set sights on peace in Ukraine. So how do you see Or do you see any impact of what's happened in the Middle East, what is happening in the Middle East, and that impacting the Russia-Ukraine peace talks?
SPEAKER 11 :
I do, and here's why. What I've noticed with Trump in terms of his strategic approach this term is that he'll start by trying the direct negotiation route, where he's talking directly to the players, where he's sending Witkoff to talk directly to the players, And then when they make it clear to him they're not going to play ball, then he starts looking for the people that have leverage over them. So Witkoft, of course, before the administration starts and at the beginning, tries to negotiate the deal with Hamas. They're doing the shuttle diplomacy. Hamas won't play. And Trump's like, OK, I need more leverage. So he goes back. And I think he and Netanyahu orchestrated things so that Trump would have more leverage over Qatar, which was then the main funder of of Hamas, and also that Iran would be weakened and that the U.S. would demonstrate strength. So now we have a situation where Putin has made it clear he's not going to play ball with Trump's plans. So we all thought it was kind of bluster when Trump said, I want to start terrifying the people that are trading with Russia as a means of ending the conflict. But that actually fits with Trump's strategic approach. If Putin's not going to play ball, look for him to try to find leverage points with the people that are propping up the Russian economy to try to put pressure on them so that they will push Putin into accepting a deal. I think that is very consistent with the strategy he just deployed in the Middle East. We'll see if it works as well in Russia and Ukraine.
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In this monumental episode, the hostages held for nearly two years have finally returned home. Our team reflects on the historic negotiations led by President Trump and the various emotions that come with seeing families reunited. As we celebrate this pivotal moment, we acknowledge the somber realities that remain for the families who lost loved ones.
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On today's show, now that the hostages have been returned, the next phase of Trump's plan is critical for peace.
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Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Seculo. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekula.
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Welcome to Sekula. Will Haines is in studio with me, executive producer of the show. We also have Mike Pompeo joining us in a couple segments and CeCe Heil, senior attorney here at the ACLJ. It's a packed show. Of course, today's the first day we are back live since yesterday's historic achievement from the United States and President Trump, who definitely need to take a lot of credit for this as all of the hostages, the living hostages, have been returned home I can't believe we're saying it I can't believe we're here as we are on the precipice of a peace deal obviously that there is currently a ceasefire in place with some restrictions we'll go through what that looks like but today is also another day to celebrate It's also a day to mourn with the families of those families that will not be coming home, as we know that that was many people who did not survive. Of course, there are also many bodies and remains that have not been returned. Now, two cases, two ACLJ clients we know were part of this, including the twins who we saw reunited yesterday. We didn't do a show yesterday. I was traveling. Jordan's traveling. We also were working on this to make sure we had full confirmation. that our clients were back safe. They were back safe, and we also know, sadly, we'll talk about this a little bit later, that the remains of one of our clients' families was one of those that was returned. So again, there is excitement, there's celebration, there's also the true somber side of what looks to be the end of the war. President Trump claimed it to be the end of the war, we sure hope so i took yesterday to really just pray to watch all of the stories i tried to watch as many of the reunion videos as i could uh you know sort of the the stoic side of it the interesting side of it was seeing that the families were so emotional and the hostages were were as expected um A bit shocked, a bit emotionless sometimes, because remember, they have been being held in captivity for a number of years now. Who knows what they were going through? I tried to show my son yesterday. We were watching all the different news channels I was flipping through, and he's aware of what's going on. He's almost 13, about to have his bar mitzvah. And I said, hey, you know, you should watch this. We were kind of flipping between the channels. And he's like, well, what is the difference here? And I kind of told him, well, it's like, you know, Fox will be a little more right leaning. MSNBC will be much more left leaning. You have CNN who claims to be a little bit more in the middle, but sometimes they have better international coverage. So we flipped over to CNN. And of course, the first thing he sees is Christiane Amapour saying that the hostages were likely kept better than the regular people of Gaza. You know, because they were the pawns in this. And of course, he not only laughs, he gets upset. It's like, I can't believe they would say that. These people have been hostages for multiple years. Because again, the backpedaling, now there is a peace plan and one that a lot of the world has had to... Thank President Trump, including those on the other side. A lot of them didn't. Right. Especially in our own pot. It's weird. It's like the world did. We saw Keir Starmer come out with a very strong statement. Of course, he's worried about his own political future, but make a very strong statement saying, yes, this was President Trump. We saw, obviously, pretty much every Republican. But we saw a lot of Democrats, 98% of the Democrats leaving out his name, which is really just a shame. Because, look, I've had issues with President Trump. I think he's done really some great things. I think he's done some things I disagree with. But there's nothing you can take away from this moment being historic. And the fact that even if this is it, and I don't think it is, I think we are headed towards a bigger peace plan. And we're going to discuss that in the next segment. I'm going to let Will actually speak. I'm sorry, Will, I'm monologuing here. I've got a lot to say. We're going to talk about that in the next segment coming up. And I want to hear from you. What are your thoughts on this? Because even if this is it, and it's just that the hostages were free, that would be enough. That would be enough. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. If you've had 24 hours to think about it, I want your thoughts on this big moment for America, for Israel, for the Middle East, and the world. 1-800-684-3110. We'll be right back with more on Sekulow. Welcome back to Seculo. We are going to be taking your calls at 1-800-684-3110. I'm going to kick it over to Will because I monologued enough here. Will, we are obviously looking at what the next step is of this process because it's not over. And look, President Trump was questioned on Air Force One last night about that, saying, you know, Do you think you declared peace a little too early? What do you think? And he said, what, do you want more people to die? He kind of went around the question a bit. But there is more to be done. It's not like this is the end. But like I said, even if it was the end, that's a success. But there's more to come.
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that's right and this was a historic achievement uh the fact that for two years this was not an easy process uh the prior administration was not able to get anywhere close to this there were there were smaller uh hostage returns along the way but just extended the war in many ways but just so everyone knows aclj represented the families of 10 different hostages Eight of those have been released and are back home throughout the course of this two-year period. And two have sadly died as a result of being hostages. And one of those, we found out the remains were returned yesterday. And we'll talk with CeCe more about that later in the program. She was a big part of the... As everyone knows that watches this, she oversees a lot of the international work of the ACLJ. So she was... integral in working with this, with your dad and with Jordan, as we've advocated for these hostages for two years. But we did sadly learn that the remains of one of the hostages we represented was returned yesterday. And that gives closure to the family. That is something that the Israeli government was adamant about. But there's still 24 missing hostages that are dead that have not been returned. So that part of phase one isn't technically complete. Hamas said they need more time to locate the remains of those hostages, but that work is not done yet. However, the 20 living Israeli hostages were returned, two of which they were twin brothers. their brother went with our team you'll see that later to Washington DC early met with Leader Johnson the Speaker of the House and was able to meet with Democrats Republicans across the aisle advocating for the release of these hostages and 20 living Israeli hostages were returned after two years in captivity Israel freed nearly 2,000 Palestinian prisoners as a part of this brokered swap Some of those were individuals that were captured during this war. Others had been in prison a long time in Israel. But now is where, not that this part was easy, but comparatively, this was the easier part of what is a very ambitious plan from President Trump because now the work to get this broader peace in place and a different life for those in Gaza starts to begin. Now you know that Israel has already withdrawn to a certain demarcation line. They are not all the way in Gaza. They are starting to pull back their troops as a part of this plan. They will continue as different achievements and different benchmarks are met, withdraw further. The hard part now is Hamas disarming. Hamas needs to disarm and cede their control over Gaza. They were elected by Gazans about 20 years ago. when Israel fully withdrew from Gaza, but they never gave up power. And they have this power. They did not want to let go of the power. They were dictators in Gaza. They ruled with an iron fist. It was their way only. The Islamic resistance was the credo and the motto and the entire ideology of their government. so that is a big deal that we have gotten this far even and that they even signed on to this agreement to begin but the real hard work it's not as if okay now we're at this point let's just hand it off and okay now we'll just lay down our arms and move on we saw that Hamas executed in the street over 30 people that they believed worked with Israel on this of their own people yesterday so they aren't disarmed yet So that big step about what happens next is what everyone needs to be watching. And that's what we're going to talk about with Secretary Pompeo in the next segment. Can they actually get there? Do they actually want to say, look, we are the ones that got the Palestinian cause this far. And it was because of our terror and because of our resistance that we got it there and take a step. a proverbial win for themselves not that you want to give them that but will they get to that point or will they keep thinking from the river to the sea and keep resisting and and have internal conflict and can't get over that that next hurdle and that's a big step i think keep thinking it absolutely
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Acting on it will be different when you have all of these other countries. When you saw what happened yesterday, President Trump flies to Egypt and there's just every flag imaginable behind him pretty much. That's a lot of countries who are going to be holding you accountable. You have to be concerned that if you start violating it, if you have any care for your own life, and look, I think they don't, but I also think there is a group of people, like you said, or at like the seventh string Hamas right now, that they maybe do care a little bit more about their own human life and maybe they're not going to violate it any further. That may be wishful thinking. We will see. I think we'll see pretty quickly. What you got to give it, though, is that it's only been a few months. It's been 10 months of a President Trump term. And he was able to get this done. I think for those who said, yeah, was it day one? No, but it was year one. And I think that is equally as impressive in this moment. I want to take a call kind of about that. Let's go ahead and go to Michael in Florida, who is watching on YouTube. Michael, go ahead.
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Gentlemen, I like you guys. I'm really over the moon over the hostages that have been released. I've just got two things that really concern me. First and foremost, I just am absolutely angry over Biden trying to take any piece of the credit for this. I realize that They had tried but failed epically before he did the transition. And then secondly, all of the people who are like in Congress who were, you know, at the podium saying free Palestine, free Palestine, free Palestine. All you hear from them right now are crickets.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, silence is definitely clearly coming from that side. You're right. Now, when it comes to Biden taking credit for it, I do believe we have the statement. And then I have some commentary on that. Michael, maybe not exactly what you think, but let's go ahead.
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So this is what President Biden, former President Biden, put on X. I'll skip the first part. It says, the road to this deal was not easy. My administration worked relentlessly to bring hostages home, get relief to Palestinian civilians, and end the war. I commend President Trump and his team for their work to get a renewed ceasefire deal over the finish line. So yes, as Michael points out, he is in this post saying, look, we got it here. What this completely ignores is the Abraham Accords. And what you pointed out, Logan, the fact that all those nations were there, none of this was possible. So we may say President Trump got here in 10 months, but in reality, it's four years in 10 months because of all the work that no Democrat president, no Republican president dared try to do.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, the idea, Michael, that this was the plan, that this was the Biden plan is hilarious enough He knows he's not convincing anyone. Let the old man talk into the void. I mean, that's kind of how I feel. If he wants to celebrate himself and pat himself on the back for this, whatever. Who's it hurt? None of us. Because we all know the truth. We all see Democrats coming out. Bill Clinton. None of them say Joe Biden did this. Hillary Clinton herself, right? Keir Starmer. These are people all saying this was President Trump. So you know what? if Joe Biden wants to pretend and his people want to pretend they had anything to do with this, you know, God bless them. Let them have their own fun. Let the old man think what he wants to think, because we all know the truth. We all know the truth that this plan, this concept wasn't even on the table. No one was thinking about this. This was a brand new idea to not only get the Abraham courts type countries together, but really the world together to say, we're going to prevent world war three. We're going to prevent, uh, this going any further the idea of what are you going to do we're going to take out the the nuke facilities right in Iran in Iran yeah in Iran because why that's going to send a message that's going to have a ripple effect all of these things none of it would have happened under Joe Biden and look you know this I am not the person out here advocating for one side or the other I will tell you the truth when I feel like I have to tell you the truth this one is is there is no other thing you can really give credit to other than God for this than the Trump administration. And that is why you are seeing the ripple effects of that as well. You are seeing the thankfulness coming through from the world, from the people in Israel, from the people in the Arab states around Israel, from the Western world. This is probably the most celebratory of President Trump I have seen in his entire run. Both terms where you have to have people go, you know what? You got to say you did a good job when he did a good job. And this is one of those times. You obviously got to thank Jared Kushner. You got to thank all the teams. Steve Witkoff. Look, you got to thank a lot of the people. Look, including you, ACLJ supporters, who stuck with this when it was a very difficult road. Difficult road personally. You got to thank all the Jewish people who stuck with the Americans when it felt like a pretty rough time. You got to thank all the celebrities that did stand up. Your Patricia Heaton's, your John Andrasik's, all these people who really, David Draymond, all the people who really took a lot of flack. You got to thank them too. Welcome back to Seculo, Senior Counsel for Global Affairs. Secretary Mike Pompeo is joining us now. Secretary Pompeo, obviously yesterday was a huge day, a day that we'll all remember forever. The return of the final living hostages held by Hamas, obviously a key phase. And really, I think for the humanitarian standpoint, the phase that we all needed the most. Like I said, if this was if this is all that happened. It's enough. But thankfully, we'll be seeing more. I was curious about what you thought, though, of the sort of the size and scale of how monumental this moment was.
SPEAKER 12 :
My goodness, you know, in our lives, we get to witness history only just a handful of times. This was definitely one of those moments, certainly because of the incredible joy. I mean, no one can watch those pictures. Flashback memories for me of when I brought the three Americans home from North Korea reminded me of that moment, that same emotion. When we saw families reunited, what we saw at scale yesterday. So epic moment and a true triumph of American power and American diplomacy. President Trump and Mr. Wyckoff and Mr. Kushner should all get enormous credit for the hard work that they did over not just hours and days, but over weeks and weeks and weeks. So, you know, to your point, if this is all that happens, it's fantastic. There's much more work that remains to be done. We still have the remains of many of those hostages that have not been returned. That concerns me greatly. The fact that they haven't returned them suggests they may well still intend to use those as leverage. That is, Hamas may intend to use those as leverage. I pray that that's not the case. And I pray that the Israelis and President Trump continue to put pressure on Hamas so we can deliver more joy and more good outcomes and more peace and prosperity to the region.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and that leads to our follow up question here is that this was no by no means an easy thing to get to this point. This was very difficult. Obviously, you know how negotiations are with with world leaders and then you throw in a terrorist group. It's by no means an easy path to get the 20 remaining hostages, living hostages released. But in many ways, that was the easiest part of this deal. And as you see, Hamas already didn't live up to the full letter of it, even though Israel pulled back to a demarcation line and you saw the release of Palestinian prisoners that were agreed upon. But now the next phases... are probably the hardest thing for Hamas to do, and that is to start disarming and giving up power. How tough a road ahead to implement the rest of this deal do you see?
SPEAKER 12 :
It's going to be incredibly difficult, but it is completely achievable if the nations that came together to deliver this outcome will continue to work alongside of each other. You've got to take down the tunnels that will take Gulf Arab support, money, resources. You've got to figure out how to de-radicalize the Muslim Brotherhood and the Hamas actors that are inside of Gaza. You cannot let the UN go back to having these folks as permanent refugees and the the status where UNRWA was being used to funnel money through food aid and delivery to Hamas. Those things have to just be broken. We can't go back to that model. The pre-October 7th model was a failure. So this will be fraught. It will be difficult. I would urge everybody watching and listening today, when you see a moment when something bad happens, somebody breaks a rule, know that that's just a moment along the way. If we all stay focused on the ultimate objective, if President Trump can continue, and I suspect he will, to apply the coercive power that delivered Hamas to this moment. They're not looking for peace. Hamas isn't chasing peace. They had no better option. If he continues to deliver that coercive power, we can both get the remaining bodies of those who were died in captivity, who were murdered by Hamas and are still being held. We can get them home. And then we can deliver a better outcome in Gaza and a more secure and stable Middle East and a great outcome for Israel and a really wonderful outcome for the American people as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you mentioned that Hamas wasn't looking for peace and by no means is the Islamist ideology that Hamas ascribed to being vanquished from the Middle East by this deal. And even if this deal is achieved, we know there are Hamas and many other groups in the region that still exist that deny Israel's right to exist entirely. And that won't go away. But we're also seeing positive movements that build upon the Abraham Accords and what was able to be achieved in itself was a part of the Abraham Accords. But you see news that the president of Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, flying to Israel today. I wanted to get your take on that and what this could mean for the other Islamic governments of these Arab countries and other Islamic countries in the region.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, look, I'm glad you mentioned that. The fact that Yoko Widodo, the leader of Indonesia, is coming to Israel is absolutely equally historic. This doesn't happen without American leadership. We tried to get Indonesia to join the Abraham Accords in the first term. We were very close. We didn't quite get there now. they can basically step back and say, no, we're gonna recognize the fundamental right of the Jewish people to have their homeland in Israel. An amazing thing. We should all be mindful, the biggest Muslim populations aren't actually in the Middle East, they're in Malaysia and Indonesia and in Pakistan, right? Big countries with big Islamic populations. And to your first point, the radicalization effort, the effort to teach the next generation that Israel is evil has to stop. And the Gulf Arab states know how to begin to build out a counter ideology to the Muslim Brotherhood's fundamental tenets, the ones that Hamas has adopted. The United Arab Emirates, Mohammed bin Zayed, Mohammed bin Salman and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia have been very intentional about pushing back on extremism. We need now to export that. to Hezbollah in Lebanon, to Hamas in Gaza, and make sure that the next generation of people growing up in those places doesn't hold Israel as the little Satan and America as the great Satan. That extremism has to be a key element of the 20-point plan that is delivered upon.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, now let's take it, Secretary Pompeo, to the states. Obviously, we've had two years now of what feels like the radicalization of a lot of young people on the streets, obviously, in college campuses. Obviously, we've been much more than a couple of years, but the last couple of years has certainly been amplified. The anti-Semitism was amplified. All of this happens. And you think when you'd reach what would be this conclusion, you'd say, of the war, hopefully, this looks like the end, at least the end from this current perspective, that some of that would change. But we know that even... People like Mamdani, who's running his party, has said, hey, this peace deal is a bad deal. We shouldn't be doing it. So we know there's influential people out there still that are going to be pushing the genocide narrative, still pushing this narrative. What do we do here to fight against not just what you said to help change the people's minds? overseas in the Middle East, but now to also focus on this multi-year propaganda pitch that has been going on within our own country.
SPEAKER 12 :
Boy, it's a wonderful question. You're right. It's been accelerated these last couple years. We got exactly what AOC asked for, a permanent ceasefire. Goodness gracious, can you not take a moment to enjoy the love and the peace that were demonstrated yesterday and the fact that this was a really amazing diplomatic accomplishment? It's not about politics. This is about the nation of Israel and its rightful homeland. I think about all the work that We did in the first term by moving the embassy, by taking out Qasem Soleimani, by putting maximum pressure on the Iranian regime. These things all built to this very moment. And so for those who hold anti-Semitism deeper in their hearts, I doubt that this will change much. But I hope for most folks who were on the edge or just got sucked into this, they will see that, no, Israel is actually a nation that desires peace. that America is a country that works and desires peace, and to claim somehow that you believe deeply in the efforts of Hamas makes you clearly what you are. An anti-Zionist, someone who doesn't believe Israel should exist, and I hope there are fewer of those, and I hope Americans will come to see that ride. The soon-to-be mayor of New York, if he's ultimate winning, As a huge Jewish population, he used to respect them, treat them appropriately, and understand that they all know that their proper homeland is indeed in this holy place known as Jerusalem in Israel.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you, Secretary Pompeo, for joining us. Look, we've got a second half hour coming up. If you don't get us on your local station, find us broadcasting live right now at ACLJ.org or archived over at your podcast or find us on YouTube, Rumble. We'll be right back with the second half hour coming up in less than a minute. keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever this is seculo and now your host logan secular welcome back to seculo phone lines are open i want to hear from you if you're watching on youtube i'm going to ask you just to throw in a comment right now look we know this is interesting time in the news but it really does help us get more people onto this stream right now uh so just tell me where you're watching from if you don't have another thing to share Send me a fun emoji. I don't care what it is right now. I just want to see some more comments in the chat right now. Hit that thumbs up. We appreciate it. With that, I want also you to call in. We got the second half hour coming up. We're going to have CeCe Heil joining us, but we'll take a lot of calls throughout the half hour. And we're also going to have a special presentation to give you sort of a run through of the last two years and the work the ACLJ has been doing. Phone lines are open for you, though, at 1-800-684-3110. Actually, let's go ahead and take Matt, who's calling from Ohio. Matt, go ahead.
SPEAKER 14 :
Hi. This is definitely a time to celebrate, and the people that are getting their families back are elated. We've seen the videos. But I've got to say, what do we say to those families whose babies and children were brutally murdered? Is there no accountability? Are we just okay that there's a ceasefire and that there's a peace deal? Does that mean there's no accountability for the horrendous atrocities that were done?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, Matt, let's back it up a little bit. A lot of that accountability was taken care of by Israel, meaning that the top brass of Hamas is not the same people that we're talking about right now. There's several levels. Like I said, the seventh string is of Hamas right now. So remember that there was a lot of accountability. Look at Gaza right now. Most of them were taken out. Most of that leadership is no longer there. Now, part of this deal does come with some form of immunity. Did I say I like that? No, I don't. But I also understand concessions have to be made. Do I like the thousands of prisoners were released? A lot of them involved in mass murder and bus bombings and all of those kind of things were released. No, I don't love that. I don't care for that. But you know what? It got the remaining hostages home and it should prove a point. It should prove a point. You're the people who would scream in genocide. Well, the genocide ended. When? Oh, when, I don't know, the 20 hostages were released. Why? Because there was no genocide and this was an act of war to get these hostages home. It was the easy solution the whole time that they were not willing to do. But the pressure came on and it finally did happen. Finally, the last remaining hostages were released. Finally, now, of course, not all the remains have been released. That's something Secretary Pompeo brought up. It is not over in that sense. But all of the living hostages are now back home with their families or in hospitals or whatever they need to be treated. But they're back reunited with their families. They're back in Israel. That's a moment we should be celebrating. But yes, I believe there has been accountability. I believe it's pretty clear there's been accountability for this action, for the actions that were taken on October 7th, two years ago. Now, for those who are currently in Hamas, we saw the mass murders in the streets happening yesterday. Look, I don't love all the deal points. And it's not to say they can't be held accountable for other things in the future. And we don't know what this new government is going to look like either. But part of the deal was sort of this immunity, and you have to go with it. President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu and the rest of the world, I guess, know better.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and I think one thing that's different about the Trump administration, both the first time and now, is the audacity to do these things. Moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was said by the world that that would spark World War III, that that was going to be the catalyst for World War III, of this giant global conflict that stemmed out of the Middle East, and quite the opposite happened. You started seeing the Abraham Accords. You see these neighboring countries that had complete animosity and zero diplomatic relationship with Israel join together, seeing flights go back and forth. That was a bold step that no other Republican or Democrat president, even though it was the law of the land, was bold enough to take. And then President Trump did. And it didn't have the fallout that the so-called foreign policy experts told us it would have. Now you see a deal that is audacious on paper. Like Logan said, there are many points that make us nervous. But we've never gotten this far in seeing Hamas willing to at least agree to lay down their arms, even if they don't end up doing it. So we got to keep that pressure on. And I think President Trump will do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And look, we have an office in Jerusalem. That's not going anywhere. And that's only because of you. So go support the ACLJ at ACLJ.org. Do it right now. Become a champion if you can. We really appreciate it. CeCe Heil from our team is joining us next to go over the hostage situation. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are open for you and I want to hear from you. What do you think about the last 24 hours, the release of the hostages and emotions you felt? Again, I spent a lot of time yesterday watching all the videos, reading all the stories, and I think that was important for those of us who have been so engaged with this topic to find that sense of relief. There was this weight that felt like it was lifted off of a lot of our shoulders, that we were not the families of the hostages, that we were not the hostages ourselves. I think a lot of us have been living Since October 7th, with this heaviness, with this, you know, just stress that has been on the backs of people that support Israel and people that support the Jewish people for the last few years. So to say that it was a relief, it'd be an understatement. I saw a lot of people removing their yellow ribbon pins, getting to do all the things that they were hopeful to do within weeks. But of course, it took multiple years You know, trees that were permanently marked with those yellow ribbons, you know, the clothing that had been permanently marked with the outlines because of how long it had been. No one expected it to last this many years. But here we are. And CeCe Heil, senior attorney here at the ACLJ, is joining us because we were involved from the very beginning. And we're going to walk you through that, but also I'm going to show you some of the footage coming up in the next segment so you have an understanding of all the work that, when you support the ACLJ, what you're supporting. You're not just supporting our media work here, which is, by the way, excellent. I love our team here. We do incredible work. But obviously it's our advocacy and our legal work that is important as well. And when it involved the hostages and the families of the hostages, we were involved in a way, and look, a lot of it, there were some successes and there were some heartbreaks. And look, it's all heartbreaking. And that's even what I said, is that you could look at yesterday as a joyous day, but it doesn't come without major scars. So let's just walk our audience through this.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and I was just thinking, I was in Israel in March, and I visited one of the kibbutz and also the Nova Festival where horrible events happened on October 7th. And So, yes, just as you're saying, as yesterday was a very much joyous, joyous day, I think about just the memories and all the ones, people that were lost, all the families that didn't have, you know, their hostages come back alive. And I just continue to pray for those people. And one of them would be one of our clients was Guy Elouz, who Doris, his mother, is American. And I just texted her because we just found out that his. remains had been returned. One of the few. Yes, that's right. And so again, this is an event that's going to affect these people and their lives. And really, like you're saying, Logan, all of us, we will remember this day and we should never forget what happened on October 7th. But what we were able to do with the hostages, not only were we able to bring the hostage families over to the United States and host them and take them to events on Capitol Hill and meet with congressmen. We also were able to represent 10 of the hostages before the working group on enforced or involuntary disappearances at the UN. And that is their mandate is basically to engage in the in the countries that possibly take these citizens hostages, as well as Israel. So working with Israel, and even though Hamas is not a country, working with Israel and Hamas, we had 10 of them. And like you said, we had victories and some sad moments. Eight of our clients were released. And that was, if you recall, the Brodich family, it was a mother and her three small children, 10, eight, and four. And then two of the women, Emily Damari and Dorn Steinberger, and actually Emily was one that was taken with the twins, Ziv and Gali Berman. They went to help her, and all three of them were abducted. And then Ziv and Gali were... were the two of the 20 that were released and alive. And we were very happy about that. And then we did have two clients. One, of course, Guy, who did not make it back alive. And then another one, Alon Shamriz, who did not.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think with the ACLJ team, there was some inevitability of knowing that there was a chance here. But we've also had a great number of years of success of freeing people who are falsely imprisoned or hostages in this sense. When that first wave came through and we realized that a lot of the hostages were no longer alive, I think it shocked a lot of us, and it put us in a different mode. That is something that is hard to explain, because remember, when you're kind of batting 1,000, when you've done a great job, and your team has, and Jordan and my dad, and everyone who's put together the legal teams around the world, and for the most part, massive successes over the years. The people have been freed. and you're dealing with these families. And a lot of times we've been able to celebrate with these families to know, uh, two years ago, even cause some of these, we learned within weeks or months that they had died. It, changed the tone of the way that we even do our work here. And because now we weren't dealing with the same kind of threat that we even were dealing with when you're dealing with a person in an Iranian prison or you're dealing with someone arrested in China. You're dealing with a different kind of regime when it came to Hamas. And I think that was an eye-opening moment for a lot of us. Not that we thought Hamas was ever the good guys here or any sort of thought that they were gonna be operating like a normal government. But when you started to deal with the actual loss and knowing these people and seeing these families and being face to face with them, like I said, it caused a lot of heartbreak for them and it caused a lot of heartbreak for our team who had been there. You know, I try to set up our offices here for So you know that going in, that you know going in that there's a chance that not just that it could be illegal, but it's these stakes. It's these stakes. It's not a legal case that can be lost. It's lives that can be lost. And that happens sometimes. And it's brutal and it's horrible, but it's the reality of working in these high stakes things. And we can't have... We have to have people like you who are unafraid of that and people who are at least willing to take on that stress and that responsibility, work all night because of the time change. All those different things that I don't know if people put into perspective of what our team is doing around the clock.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and I also wanted to bring up the fact that whether it's a court case that lasts years or it's advocating for someone that's being falsely imprisoned or held hostage by Hamas, Our attorneys don't stop. And we talked about the meetings in Capitol Hill. We had teams in Europe going to the European Union and representing before the UN. So there's no limits to how far we will go to advocate and to fight. And we see results. Many of those families now have their loved one home. And those also, some have closure. now at the final end of this, but it's a battle that is taxing and exhausting, but does not end for the team at the ACLJ that fights these.
SPEAKER 11 :
And we do, we are committed to fighting to the very end and it is a different level of emotional commitment when you're not just fighting to get someone out of prison like if we're talking about pastor brunson in turkey or these hostages in gaza when you're literally fighting to keep them alive that's that's a different issue it's not just trying to get justice you know in a court case it's literally we need to do whatever we can do to keep these people alive and I'm hopeful that our efforts at the United Nations, because, you know, UNRWA was actually one of the places that held Emily Damari, who is one of our clients, and she was held at an UNRWA facility. So we are hopeful that as a hostage. Yes, absolutely. And so we're hopeful that us bringing attention of their specific names to this UN working group in some small way, perhaps we helped keep them alive and we are thrilled that they have been released and that we could have played a small part in that, them being released alive. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I'm seeing a lot of the comments come in, a lot of people thanking our team and all that. Of course, You know, we have to thank our team. We have to thank God. We have to thank the Trump administration for really getting involved and figuring out a very unique roadmap to getting the release of these hostages. And I see a lot of people, CeCe, thank you, obviously, for the work from Pastor Brunson, for all the different things that we've worked on over the years. It is nice to kind of put closure on these cases to say, we are done. This is over. And that's why I even said that if... if the peace plan works, fantastic. I mean, that's, we all pray for that. But if even this was all the result, which was that these remaining hostages were freed, that would be worth it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I think it'd be worth it for our team and it's worth it for everyone here. Um, And I want to thank you because none of that happens without those of you who are watching right now and support the work of the ACLJ. You know, I'm not doing a big fundraising pitch right now because I think this is a day to just spend time and watch those videos, watch the stories. And in the next segment, we're going to give you a full sort of rundown, like a five minute piece that our team put together that shows you how our team was involved from the very beginning of this until just yesterday. And of course, we're going to be involved in the future planning as well. We still have ACLJ Jerusalem. That's not going anywhere. We still have an incredible team that's ready to. We know that the push for anti-Semitism and the push against Israel is going nowhere. But we can at least take a moment to breathe. Just a moment today. With that, I do want to thank you. I want to thank you for supporting the ACLJ. I want to thank you for giving so generously during the last few years because a lot of organizations were not willing to stand up and say, we support Israel in a way this strongly. The ACLJ never wavered. We never will. And know that when you support the ACLJ, that it's going towards a greater cause around the world, not just here, not just the American Center for Law and Justice. You also have the European Center. You also have our work at the UN. You have work you don't even know about, never will know about. And of course, you have the work at the ACLJ Jerusalem. We'll be back in just a moment on Secula. Welcome back to Sekulow. Look, I may take some phone calls here in this segment. If you want to call in, this is a good time to do it at 1-800-684-3110 towards the end of the show. I'll do that. We've got one more segment of the show today. I did want to give you a bit of a setup here, Will, because this is a piece our team put together that really gives you a broader look at everything that the ACLJ had done. I mean, obviously, everything, I put that in quotes because this is a five-minute version of... the history of what we've been working on here, and of course, the results from yesterday. And you're going to hear a message from my dad, Jay Sekulow, that you'll see that he recorded yesterday that we released on social media, as well as some other content throughout it.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's right. So when we first learned of the horrific attacks on October 7th, just two years ago, The ACLJ is uniquely positioned because of our office in Jerusalem, because of our status at the UN to get right to work. And that's what we did. Through other groups that we work with, we're able to be in contact with families of hostages and be able to start advocating on their behalf Almost immediately. And one of the very early things that the ACLJ was able to do was take those members, those family members of hostages to Washington, D.C., not just to hold a sign or call for advocacy, but to meet with the Speaker of the House, Democrat leadership as well. having bipartisan meetings about what American Congress could do to put pressure on to get their family members released. And that work went on for two years. And so what you're going to see is kind of some of that footage from when we first went to DC and then culminating with the historic day yesterday. So let's go ahead and roll this piece for everyone to watch.
SPEAKER 03 :
The first thing we could do. is we knew, of course, leadership in Congress. And we also had connections to these families who wanted to come tell their stories.
SPEAKER 04 :
The Israelis decided who they were sending over. Kalev and whoever he was working with in Israel, officials, sent over a delegation. We hosted that delegation in our office. There were a series of meetings that we had been working on with bipartisan members of the House and Senate. Republicans and Democrats and even independents, that we thought it was essential for them to meet. The first order of business, though, when they arrived in the United States, was to meet at our offices in Washington, D.C., so that we could brief them on protocol what was to be expected and what they should be sharing.
SPEAKER 03 :
So my dad contacted me and said, we're going to be able to bring some of these families to D.C. How do you want to use our government affairs team? I said, first, let me talk to them, but I'm going to go to some people I know. I'm going to go to Elise Stefanik, who's the Republican conference chair. So she's a third ranking member of the Republicans in the House of Representatives. And I'm going to go to Jared Moskowitz, who is a new congressman out of Florida, but he's been very outspoken on issues involving Israel, and he's worked across party lines before. He was able to bring in a group of Democrats that support Israel strongly that, again, we've been on the other side of the issues, many issues before, but on this issue we can work together. From there, it went from Elise's office to the Speaker's office, and Speaker Johnson, who had only been on the job, what, a week and a half at the time, said, let's put together a press conference. We'll first have a meeting. where we'll bring in the family member representatives. We'll meet with them. It'll be about four or five of the House leadership. And then we're going to go do a press conference with all the Republican leadership.
SPEAKER 09 :
Today, the House Republican Conference is joined by the families of four of the over 200 hostages taken by barbaric Hamas terrorists on October 7th. As a mother, sister, and daughter, my heart breaks for the unspeakable pain they are enduring every second of every day. On this issue of standing with Israel and these families, there can be no moral equivocation.
SPEAKER 08 :
House Republicans met with and heard from family members of some of the victims, not only to understand their grief and pain and worries, but to make clear why Israel must do everything in its power to wipe out Hamas and ensure that what happened October 7th can never happen again.
SPEAKER 01 :
We are pleading you, the world, to help us to speak with Hamas. We have no clue what's happened to them. We only know that they are in Gaza. We don't know if they are injured, if they are together, if they are still alive.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I will say again and reiterate once more, we will stand against these atrocities, and we will stand with Israel, and we'll stand with each of you and your families. We'll be praying for you, and we'll be taking action, because that's what we're going to do here. That's what it's called. I know that your time is short and you have to leave. I want to thank Jay and Jordan Sekulow of the American Center for Law and Justice for helping facilitate the visit today.
SPEAKER 03 :
From that meeting, we took the group of family members to Hakeem Jeffries. Hakeem Jeffries is the Democratic leader in the House of Representatives. They meet with him for about an hour. In between that, I head down to meet with Jared Moskowitz, Democrat congressman from Florida, for the meeting he's setting up and the briefing he's setting up. That meeting had in it people like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Jamie Raskin. I mean, some of these folks who have been on, again, very different positions than us, and yet this issue brought us all together and kind of for that moment in Washington, partisanship went away.
SPEAKER 02 :
With the historic agreement we've just signed, those prayers of millions have finally been answered. As you know, the hostages have been returned and further work goes on.
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Well, you've heard the good news and that is President Trump arrived in Israel and announced that the 20 remaining hostages that were alive had been returned to their families and been reunited with their families. This is a major development. As you recall, the American Center for Law and Justice has been front and center representing hostage families. our office in jerusalem is monitoring the situation as it develops there's going to be bumps in the road because that's what happens in this region of the world but i am very hopeful that we are about to see a era of peace and prosperity for all sides i'm very optimistic and very pleased the president deserves a lot of thanks from the american people but also from the world for brokering this peace agreement. This was not easy. This kind of diplomacy is hard, but President Trump did a fantastic job building, of course, on the Abraham Accords. We will keep you posted. Our office in Jerusalem fully engaged. Support the work of the American Center for Law and Justice at ACLJ.org. You make all of this possible.
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And that was a great video put together by our team, hopefully giving you a good understanding of all the work the ACLJ has been doing over the last few years and that special message from my dad. I do want to take a call before we wrap up. Matthew's calling online too. Go ahead, Matthew. You're going to be the last word of the day.
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Good morning. Thank God for the release of the hostages. Thank President Trump for his work. Thanks to the ACLJ for their involvement. We really should hold some feet to the fire on those who said they wanted Palestine free and should be rejoicing when they forgot.
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yeah Matthew I see that message going around social media a lot having to thank President Trump for doing what you said you wanted and of course that's not going to happen but Matthew thank you so much for calling thank you so much for your prayers and your support of not just our team here at the ACLJ but for Israel for all the hostage families it's been a long road but we are happy to be here you know again it is a A happy day, a somber day, somewhere in between, but that's okay. It's okay to have these moments where you can also celebrate the work that our team has put together, that President Trump's team has put together, and of course, everyone in Israel who should be rejoicing as the hostages are now home. That's going to do it for today's show. I want to encourage you, if you do have a chance, if you like what we do here, if you like the show, if you like our legal work, whatever it may be, Support the work of the ACLJ. This is the first time I've done this today, but I ask you to do it. Now that you've had this hour to think about it, it's a great time to give and support the work because we want to keep everything outside of a paywall as possible. We want to make sure you can take this content, share it with your friends, that you can talk about it. We're going to keep covering this, by the way. We're going to cover the next steps, everything that's going to happen. I'm sure things will unfold over the next few days. This topic isn't going anywhere. But thankfully, even if this is it, the hostages, the living hostages are home. And you did play a part in that. Thank you for your support. Go to ACLJ.org. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
Join Kim Munson as she delves into the intricate world of politics and freedom on this episode. From discussing the establishment of religions by governments to the latest in global affairs, the show challenges preconceived notions and sparks critical thinking. Engage with us as we explore the balance of force versus freedom and examine whether true equality can be achieved through enforced rights. Meet our guest Jamie Lynn Davola who shares her insights about school board challenges and the essential task of ensuring education focuses on its core mission amidst distracting policies.
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That seems to me like government is establishing a religion.
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Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let's have a conversation.
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Indeed. Let's have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment. And thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe.
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Happy Tuesday, Kim.
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And Joe, thank you to you and our great guest host for holding the fort while I was doing some traveling. And I really appreciate what you and our great guest host have done as well. So thank you.
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It was my pleasure, Kim. We had a lot of great conversations and it was fun.
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And it was great to be away. I still was working on a variety of things, but it was great to to step away for just a little bit. So thank you again. And we've got so much going on right now. I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. We are an independent voice on an independent station. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues. Through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it's never compassionate to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. Force can obviously be a weapon, but policy requiring compliance, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation. The agenda of the World Economic Forum, which we've seen play out at the United Nations, also with this Colorado governor, this Colorado state legislature, but also at the local level. And it is remarkable to me. A perfect example would be the city of Lakewood not listening to the people. The city of Lakewood is pushing this agenda of subsidized government housing. and not listening to the people. And in a way, it looks to me like the mayor and many of the city council members of Lakewood are acting like kings. And I have to agree this protest that's going to be on the 18th of October. It's actually a protest that's being organized by the left against Donald Trump, and it's called No More Kings. I do agree with him as far as America was founded really because there was so much frustration with the monarchy. But a monarchy isn't just sometimes one person. It's really an agenda, and it's an agenda where government is controlling people's lives. And we are seeing that play out in a number of the local governments here in the metro area. And I would say the city of Lakewood, the mayor and the city manager and many of the council members are acting like kings. And I would say no more kings over there in Lakewood. And so we'll continue to shed light on that here throughout the week. But I do appreciate Laramie Energy because It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power. And it's from naturally occurring hydrocarbons, such as oil, natural gas, and coal, that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate, to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And all of that is under attack. And we have to ask why. And again, it is an agenda by a king-like agenda that wants to control our lives, keep people pushed down. And the elites certainly have access. You look at John Kerry, and he's flying all over the world in these jet-powered airplanes and requiring jet fuel. So it's okay for him, but not for the rest of us. The other thing I found really interesting, and I was just thinking about this the other day as I'd gone down to the Capitol to testify this last legislative session on a particular piece of legislation, and the kings down there at the state legislature said, are hiding behind the Colorado State Patrol, which provides security for the state capitol, and they have firearms. And so all of these legislators that are acting like kings are hiding behind the Second Amendment to protect them, but yet they are working to try to take away our property. right, our Second Amendment right to keep and bear firearms to protect ourselves against bad actors. And that, again, is something that a king does. And so I just want to continue to address this narrative out there because I'm sure that there's going to be colleagues, family members that are going to be in a rage about no more kings as the left is organizing this protest on Saturday. And interestingly enough, when I was looking information up about it, it said on Amazon, you can go on Amazon and order your No More Kings shirt. So stay tuned. This is going to be very, very interesting. Probably the biggest headline is what happened yesterday regarding the peace deal with Israel and Iranian-backed Hamas terrorists. And this is from Newsmax. And Richard Grinnell told Newsmax on Monday that President Donald Trump is the only world leader capable of achieving the historic peace deal that ended more than two years of war between Israel and Iranian-backed Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip. And on Rob Schmidt tonight, Grinnell, Trump's envoy for special missions, said the agreement, which secured the release of all living hostages held in Gaza earlier Monday, marked a moment of history and a testament to Trump's credibility and his leadership. This is really remarkable. And we have to be very grateful for this particular development. And so thank 20 Israeli hostages were reunited with their families after two years. Just think about what a waste that is to be held a prisoner for two years. Just think about the lack of two years of not being able to create and innovate and work and love your family. But this is pretty amazing that that happened. that that has occurred. A couple of things I did just want to mention is our word of the day is superfluous. And it is spelled S-U-P-E-R-F-L-O-U-S. It's an adjective. And it could be to overflow, being more than needed, useful or needed. Number two, not needed or wanted, surplus, excessive. And number three, it could be unnecessary or irrelevant. And I would say that we have so many laws, so many superfluous laws in our country. And we are a country that is a country of laws, but those laws have to cut the muster of this vision of our declaration that all men are created equal. So that means that we are all treated equally under the law with these rights from God of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. And things that are outside that, that are treating people impartially, or partially, I should say, that's not okay. And things that take away people's liberty. And all those things are so important. So because we're going to be talking with Rob Nadelson in the second hour. He's written the book, The Original Constitution. I went to the father of the Constitution, James Madison, for our quote of the day. And he said this. If man is not fit to govern himself, how can he be fit to govern someone else? And James Madison was born in 1750 or 1751. He died in 1836. He was an American statesman, diplomat and founding father, the fourth president of the United States. And he's been acclaimed as the father of the Constitution. And so education and the quote that we have for the end of the day is regarding knowledge. And a couple of things to mention on that. We did roll out our voters guide for this 2025 election. We took positions or I took positions on both of the statewide issues and also the five elections. big debt questions on the Denver ballot, but I also included a list of a number of the questions that are on local jurisdictions. There's some wild stuff out there. Again, trying to take more power away from the people at the local level which is what Kings try to do. So take a look at that. I also did include all of the county clerk's phone numbers and gave you a strategy on how to find out about school board members and get their information, call them, and also mayor candidates and city council candidates. But we are into election season. Ballots were sent out. They'll probably arrive in your mailbox today. And on the line with me is Jamie Lynn Davola. She is running for reelection for Falcon School District 49. Jamie Lynn, welcome to the show.
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Hi, Kim. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it.
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Well, it seems like just yesterday we were talking when you were running for election. And has it been four years already?
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I can't believe it. I blink and all of a sudden my kindergarten daughter is in fourth grade.
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That is impossible. These school board races, Jamie Lynn, are so important. As I've looked at a number of school districts across Colorado, there are school districts where kids, Maybe 70% of the kids in third grade cannot read and write and do math at proficiency. That's unconscionable. So you've had four years now as a school board member or school board director. What should people know? What have you learned, and why are you running for re-election?
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So something that's really important is making sure that we are teaching students reading, writing, and math, and not putting other things in the schools that are going to hinder that. And so one of the biggest issues that parents have found, and you're actually mentioning superfluous laws that are happening in the country. Well, we have several in the state of Colorado that's trying to strip away parental rights. And so House Bill 1312 was one of them, And we as a district decided to take a firm stand against that because of it stripping the parental rights and distracting away from being able to do what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to be able to teach reading, writing, and math and not have to think about issues that are completely distracting in the classroom, such as transgenderism. That is a huge problem in all of our schools. These kids are so confused about who they are as a person and who they are created to be that we have a mental health contagion in our classrooms that are distracting us from being able to learn. And so we as a school board, Lori Thompson, who's also running for reelection with me, as well as Deb Schmidt, she's not up for reelection, but she's on our board. And I voted to take a stand against this transgenderism nonsense that's happening in our schools. And so we have a policy now in place where we are protecting our female athletes by not allowing biological boys to compete as girls on our female sports teams or to be in the same bathrooms and locker rooms. We have actually had issues with female students who are concerned about going into the bathroom with an 18-year-old boy. That's a huge problem. If we can't use the bathroom without thinking or fearing that somebody else is going to be in that bathroom, that... is not a girl. Um, how are we supposed to focus on academics? And this is a huge concern. Like I've been door knocking, um, and, um, talking to people about the, uh, the races and the number one concern that, that parents are having right now is, are my, is my daughter going to be safe? Are we going to be able to have a fair competition on our sports fields? Um, and, um, I would say the majority of the people I've talked to, as soon as I say that D-49 has taken a stand against this stuff, they're like, you've got my vote.
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That is awesome.
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It's absolutely incredible.
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Okay, so Jamie Lynn, I think it's really important that we reiterate your name, the name of your colleague that is running for re-election. You mentioned Deb Schmidt. I think she's probably up for re-election in a couple of years, maybe, yes? In two years. Okay. How many members are on this school board in Falcon School District 49?
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So there are five members. Okay. On the school board, and it's now been renamed. It's actually El Paso County School District 49 because we also include part of Colorado Springs. And so, yeah. But, yes, there are five of us. Lori Thompson is running in Director District 4, and she is – I need her because her and I have really been able to – to do what we need to in order to take a stand against, especially the local control issue that you were talking about, too, is we need to have local control as a school district so that we can push back against the state of Colorado and their superfluous laws.
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Oh, and you're doing such a great job of the word of the day. Congratulations. Jamie Lynn, how can people get more information? And is your opponent receiving money from the teachers union, which we've learned the teachers union doesn't really care about students and it doesn't really care about teachers. It cares about power and pushing an agenda. Are you up against anybody that's receiving support from the teachers union?
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So luckily, because we are a school district that is not a contractual district with a union, that helps a lot. We do not have a master's agreement with the union. However, we do have teachers that are in a union or who have, you know, personally decided to pay to be in there. And, yes, that other person is being supported by people who are in the union. And so, yeah, I do have two opponents, actually. I have Holly Withers, who is supported with a group that's a part of the teachers' union. And then we do have Ivy Liu, who's running against me in my same seat. who has a personal vendetta against the school district. And so I do have a very challenging race, but I am very encouraged that the majority of people I've been talking to love what we have been able to do, especially with our parents' Bill of Rights. We voted on that back in 2022 to put full transparency on the table and not allow school administrators or school personnel to hide things from parents. So that has really helped as well.
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All those things, transparency, that's so important. Parental rights, that's so important. It's Jamie Lynn Davola, and you said Lori Thompson. And how can people get more information about you, Jamie Lynn, and support you?
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Okay, so my website is www.jamielindavola.com. And they can... Email me. They can also call me. That would be fabulous. My email and my phone number is also on my website. And they can support me financially or they can also volunteer for my campaign to doorknock and tell people what we need to do to get our schools back.
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These school board races are among the most important in our country, and Jamie Lynn is spelled J-A-M-I-L-Y-N-N, and Davola is D-A-V-O-L-A. It's jamielindavola.com. Is that right? I didn't write everything down. Yes, jamielindavola.com. Okay. Jamie Lynn, thank you. I know that this is a commitment for, first of all, people that step up as candidates and then to serve on school boards. It's a commitment not only by the school board member or candidate, but also of the family. And so thank you, Jamie Lynn. I really do appreciate it. Awesome. Thank you so much for the time. And these discussions, we are an independent voice on an independent station. Any candidate that reaches out to me, we will get them on the air. And I want to say thank you to our great sponsors that make this happen. And for all of your insurance needs, reach out to Roger Mangan and the Roger Mangan Insurance Team.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com, and sign up for our weekly email newsletter at KimMunson.com as well. And if you love Italian food, which I do, from Parker to Golden, Little Richie's Pizza and Pasta is... is your go-to for real New York-style pizza, hearty pastas, and that unbeatable local vibe. Little Richie's is serving up daily specials, quick and tasty weekday lunch deals, and a happy hour the locals actually build their plans around. So whether you're bringing the crew, catching up with friends, or flying solo for a hot slice, Little Richie's is your neighborhood hangout. And again, great locations in Parker and in Golden. On the line with us is former state senator and author of the Lundberg Report, Kevin Lundberg. Kevin Lundberg, it's great to be I've been gone for a few days. It's great to be back and great to have you on the line. Welcome.
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Well, it's great green here. So let's get into it.
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Let's do. Let's talk. Yvonne Paez was on yesterday, and she is handling the logistics of the petition gatherers and the petitions. And Erin Lee was on yesterday as well. But what is your update? Because you're working closely with them, with Protect Kids Colorado. What do you want people to know?
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well uh you're right those those are a couple of the most important people we have with this campaign i'm i'm the chairman of the board so you know the buck stops here in a sense but i've got good people working with me in a lot of a lot of ways and we have hundreds uh really over a thousand people who've stepped up and said give me a petition or more and they are spread out all over the state i'm hearing reports of uh just, you know, innumerable people signing the petition. Now, it may be innumerable right now, but we need to numerate that because we need about 200,000 people to step up and sign all three of these petitions to be guaranteed a spot on the ballot next year. I am very encouraged, but I'm also trying to crack the whip and say we're not done. There's a lot more to be done. And if anybody hasn't become a part of this yet, I urge them, I urge them to go to the website, protectkidscolorado.org, and sign up. grab some petitions. We've got them spread out in lots of different places around the state and start collecting signatures. Just do it in your circle of friends. Each petition holds 40 signatures and that's a task that can be done in the next two or three months. We've got until Really, the final, final drop-dead date is the 1st of February. But that's when we have to have everything done, everything collected, everything collated, everything organized and delivered to the Secretary of State. So we really need to get this done in the next couple of months, at least the bulk of it. So, yeah, I'm just thrilled with all the people who are doing so much in so many ways. I think we've got a decent shot of making this happen and changing the conversation of what's important here in Colorado to the Colorado voter in 2026. I mean, this has ramifications. These are very important issues. But I believe it'll radiate out to other issues as well as the people of Colorado step up and say, so what do we want done in this state?
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Well, and people can get the information by going to protectkidscolorado.org. And you can sign up to become a petition carrier. But also you've got the ballot language for each of those three measures. And, of course, protecting children from sex trafficking. It's like thinking, who would be against that? Of course we want to do that. Protecting children from irreversible sex change procedures. Yes, that makes a lot of sense. And protecting girls, single-sex sports, and locker rooms. All of these things make so much sense. And it's almost crazy that we have to do ballot initiatives to solidify this.
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Actually, let me jump in. You're right. It seems almost crazy except for the fact that the current folks in charge down in denver at the capitol they think going the opposite direction is the way to go um i i mean it it makes no sense whatsoever except for the fact that it really is what's happening in colorado so this this isn't just you know some oh let's let's tweak a little thing here or there no let is let's stop the policies that are in place right now dead in their tracks and go the opposite direction, which is the right way for the best of Colorado, for the best of the children in Colorado, for the families. Just everything about this just points to it has to happen. And that's why I'm so passionate about this issue.
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Well, and Aaron Lee has really become such a voice on this. Their family has a case that they're hoping will be heard by the Supreme Court. And as I said, I had stepped away for a few days. Do you know what is the update? I'm sure Aaron talked about it yesterday, but what's the update on that, Kevin?
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Well, we don't know yet, but we should soon. or at least we should know a little bit more, because there are about 10,000 cases that are submitted to the Supreme Court every year, and so it's kind of rare that they actually say, yeah, this is one of them. But all of the indications were that they want to take something in this area, and there are a couple of cases out there. The Levy-Pooter, I think, is the most direct, and the best one with the merits, and to simply say, to tell school districts exactly what you were talking to that candidate for school board, you know, in the earlier segment. Yeah, that parents need to be in charge of their kids even when they're in public school. But again, it's the exact opposite here in Colorado. That's not the policy. And that's what the Lees encountered with their oldest child when she was 12 years of age. And the school set up a system that ultimately convinced this girl that she wasn't a girl. And, you know, we made a film about it called Art Club, which I call it a horror film with a happy ending because they did work through this. But they know that that shouldn't be the path for every family and for every child in this state. So anyway, it's an important issue. It's before the court. This is the time of the year that the court figures out what are we going to be hearing in the next several months. It went to conference consideration, which is the way they work things. The justices get together and say, OK, what do we want? And, you know, there are enough votes are for a particular measure. They do hear it. What they did with this case, Levi Pruder, is they rescheduled it for a second conference meeting, which is a really good sign that they're looking at it. And that was to be held last Friday. So really, we're expecting an announcement very shortly as to what happened. Did they... Turn it down? Did they accept it? Did they maybe ponder on it a little bit further? Because the courts can go, you know, they aren't locked into anything. They do what they think is best. But, yeah, we might know earlier or later this morning if they, you know, publish what their decisions were for last conference meeting. So stay tuned. Soon we'll be on track.
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Well, and check out, if you've not seen the movie, and you were the producer on this, Kevin Lundberg, is artclubmovie.com, artclubmovie.com, which tells the story of Aaron and John Lee and their daughter. And it's a very important film. I'd recommend that people check that out. We are going to continue the discussion with former State Senator Kevin Lundberg, and he's also author of the Lundberg Report, which you can find at kevinlundberg.com. That's Kevin, L-U-N-D-B-E-R-G, dot com. Knowledge, understanding these issues is so important. That's why these conversations are so important. We have them because of our sponsors. And Karen Levine did guest host the show for me last week while I was traveling. You know her. She's a RE-MAX award-winning realtor, and she can help you with anything regarding residential real estate in the metro market.
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I'd say so, too. It'll be a very full event because I believe out of the 19 people who have stepped up to say they'd like to be nominated by the Republican Party to run for governor next year, 16 have said they're going to show up to this forum. And it's more than just a forum. There are doors open at 530. It's a reservation. 430. Okay. Okay. I think program starts at 530.
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Actually, we changed it around. It's 550. So doors open at 430. Program starts at 550.
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Okay. Well, you're the one running the show, so you know more of the details than I. But it's up in my neighborhood. It's at Resurrection Fellowship just off I-25 in the Loveland area. And there will be a time to just meet individual candidates. They've got tables set up. And also, I will say that there will be petitions to sign for Protect Kids Colorado. We'll have a table there, too. So if you want to check it out for that reason, that's a good thing, too. But you can talk to people, these candidates individually, and then there will be a forum. I don't know how the moderator is going to moderate 16 different people on each issue, but that's your problem.
SPEAKER 06 :
I've been thinking about that, Kevin. It will be monumental. And typically, yeah, typically I run a pretty tight ship on these when I moderate, and I want to treat everybody fairly and impartially. And so that's my goal.
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Now, I've actually moderated a couple of forums for gubernatorial candidates this year, but it's been like three or four people at each event, and even that's a daunting task. I have a suggestion, and that is a lot of popcorn questions. You know, just give me a yes or a no. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I think that'll give people a little bit of a picture. But then you've got to give everybody a chance to speak their mind, to actually really give people an idea as to who's up there. There are some good people. I think there are a few folks that probably won't get very far. And, of course, we're going to end up with one eventually. And there's still a lot of time. Before we come to that final determination. So who knows, there might be another 10 people to step up. But everyone recognizes that this coming year might be the real opportunity for a Republican to become governor in the state of Colorado. If you look back over the history, we've only had one person. That's Bill Owens, who was governor in the last, what, 50 years or so, 40 or 50. I haven't added up precisely. And so finally, though, the polis and all the other statewide elected officials are termed out. So it'll be, you know, new faces in every slot. on both for both parties. So, well, I'm excited. Yeah.
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Yeah, and people can sign up and get more information by going to nocorapup.com. That's N-O-C-O-W-R-A-P-U-P.com. It's free entry, but you do need to register, and you can do that there. What about, I find it so interesting, we have so many candidates for governor. I know that we have one candidate for state treasurer. I don't know that I've heard of anybody for secretary of state. What do you know about this?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, not much more than you do. I do know that about this time back in 2018, there were, I think, ultimately we had seven people running for the state treasurer spot. I was one of them. That's why I know that. And, yeah, remarkably, there's only one, Kevin Grantham, who's running, who used to be Senate president there. And the Secretary of State, I haven't heard anybody step up yet. That's going to be an interesting position because there's a whole lot of things that have to happen in the Secretary of State's office to right the ship there. Janet Griswold has just said. She has changed the rules around. And really, I think we've got a lot of things need to be corrected in that office. And I'm hoping that we have somebody who's competent and qualified and committed to getting this job done.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and that is very important, and perhaps maybe one of these candidates for governor might move over there. I think that might be a great opportunity.
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And that brings up an interesting point, too, because if I were one of the gubernatorial candidates right now, I would be looking around the rest of the field and thinking, okay, I'm going to need a cabinet. I'm going to need a lot of people in good positions. Who among these candidates can do this? That's what Donald Trump did. You know, I mean, RFK Jr. was running as a Democrat and then an independent. And And he, you know, plugged him into HHS in a very, very strategic move. Tulsi Gabbard, she, not this go-around, but she had run for president as a Democrat as well. And, you know, she's doing a bang-up job for him. And, you know, several others as well. Marco Rubio, he had run for president years ago. So... Among the people that will be on that stage on Saturday, you might look at it and say, this could very well be not just the future governor, but the future team that that governor will use to fill everything out. And so I trust that they will be thinking in those terms, too. Here's an important principle I believe that we need to always apply. Ronald Reagan called it the 11th Commandment, which is speak no ill of your fellow Republicans when running for office. Don't try to beat them up. Just try to shine as the best possibility out there and recognize that these are your friends and these are the people that you're going to have to govern with if you are successful. And I think we're going to have a real winning combination if you stop beating each other up and just start looking after the people's business first and foremost to give good governments with limited governmental authority and power and maximum freedom for individual citizens.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and that's really the litmus test, Kevin Lundberg. And we're going to continue the discussion. Before we go to break, I did want to mention the Center for American Values, and they will be having a great presentation on Monday the 20th. Norma Donlon, who was married to Roger Donlon, he passed on. Kaish within the last few years. He was, I think, the first Medal of Honor recipient from the Vietnam War. And she's going to be presenting a very interesting story. And I love what the Center for American Values is doing. They're non-political, non-partisan, but they're focusing on foundational principles through education programs. They're on values presentations, Drew Dix's podcast, their Portraits of Valor. And Those foundational principles are honor, integrity, and patriotism. So check out that website. That is AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. And then we will talk with him in the second hour, and that's another great sponsor of the show, and that's John Bozen with Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Also, check out the website for the USMC Memorial Foundation and support them. Veterans Day is right around the corner, and a great way to honor our veterans, say thank you, is to support the USMC Memorial Foundation. That website is USMCMemorialFoundation.org. On the line with me is Kevin Lundberg. He is the author of the Lundberg Report, which you can find at KevinLundberg.com, a former state senator. And one of the things that you mentioned in the Lundberg Report that was published on Saturday was that Dominion Voting Systems has been sold to a Republican. So break this down for us a little bit.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Dominion, of course, is the election system that most counties in Colorado use for tabulating and running the elections, really, start to finish in many ways, as well as I understand they're in like 40 states. And there are a lot of questions a lot of us have as to just how their software works. This is, of course, the system that Tina Peters was thrown into prison because she had the audacity of actually preserving the records from their software, which she had the responsibility to do as a clerk. Dominion has been so secretive and so defensive in their equipment And there are so many questions as to whether or not their equipment is is counting things correctly. I'm just I'm trying to be generous with this. And it seemed like just an intractable problem, because any time you would ask a question like for Tina, they throw her in prison for most people. prominent people that have really questioned this. They throw a billion-dollar or billion-plus-dollar lawsuit at them, which is just unimaginable. And news services like Newsmax, they just folded and paid Dominion millions of dollars in a settlement just so they'd go away. Anyway, we get the news last week that the whole system was sold and was purchased by somebody who's in the election process. equipment business, but is ostensibly a Republican who has voiced some support for election integrity. And so I'm very encouraged by this, but not so fast. Let's let's let's be rather careful about this, because some people who are in the know have talked to me and said, we have to make sure that this is being done for the right reasons by the right people. One question in my mind is, where did this guy come up with the money? The undisclosed amount is a private sale, so we don't know. But why did the original owners of Dominion sell it lock, stock, and barrel, and there was a provision that they drop all the lawsuits against the people that they were pursuing. Now, some they've already destroyed. It's just, you know, for years they have been on this war path.
SPEAKER 06 :
And who is this guy? He is the founder and chairman of Liberty Vote. His name is Scott. It looks like it's Leon Decker. Who is this guy? How could he have the money? And as you mentioned, it's an undisclosed amount. There's a lot of questions. I've reached out to some of the people on the national level. And they're not encouraged by this particular sale. So to your point, I think we wait and see. But I don't know anything about this guy. Where did he get the money? How much? There's a lot of big questions about this. And why would Dominion sell to a Republican when they have been so secretive with their software? There's just a lot of unanswered questions on this.
SPEAKER 10 :
There are, but first and foremost, You know, if you're in the political arena, I've discovered that you're either optimistic or you're suicidal. And I choose optimism, okay? So here's the possibilities I see. Why did Dominion sell? Well, it could be that they saw the noose is tightening because Trump and his administration have been really looking into these things. And it could be that they realized that the jig was up and they were going to be finally exposed and you know, maybe sent to prison themselves. A lot of people have suggested that we've got the wrong person in jail, which I quite agree as well. Tina Peters, I don't think she did anything wrong. I think she did something courageous, and she's being persecuted for it. But there are some bad actors that have done some pretty bad things that we're very well aware of. And so that's one reason Dominion might have finally figured out that they better cut and run, maybe. But it could be a bit of a PR stunt on the part of the bad actor players to say, well, let's put up this supposed good guy, and then we'll change the name. Dominion will go away, so we'll rebrand it and call it Liberty, which sounds nice. But here's the positive side, is they built some expectation that things are going to change. Now it's up to us to insist that they do change, that we go back to a voting system that is transparent, that is local, that is immediate, that is not full of so many vulnerabilities for bad actors cheating. And I think if nothing else, we might get a respite for the next election cycle. which, again, makes me hopeful for 2026. But now is the time to really put the scrutiny to this whole situation. So I am cautiously optimistic, but I know we have to be vigilant in searching this out and digging deep and making those who claim that this is a really good idea to prove that not with assurances, but with evidence, with real progress towards a good system that works well. And I know we're running out of time, but maybe we can pick up and deal a little bit more with this in future broadcasts.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think so. And this is coming in from Gammy, and it's a good question. I'm going to paraphrase. But will the new owner of Dominion have access to all of the previous records? What's that going to look like? So there's so many questions about this. And this 2026 election is important. And I've been frustrated. As you know, we have our two lawsuits out there, as well as our Jefferson County prevalence study. And, man, the legal system moves so slowly, although it moved pretty quickly against Tina Peters. But it can be just so slow. And I'm so frustrated with that, Kevin. We've got about a minute left. And you have a lot more experience on this than I do. So what's your comments on that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Amen. I agree. You know, the lawsuit that the GOP filed, and I'm the chairman of the committee that's overseeing this, challenging the open primary system we have in Colorado. We filed that over two years ago, and we're still waiting for the judge to set a trial date. Gone through all the preliminaries. It's just sitting on his desk. And when I talk to our legal folks about that, they say, well, it's up to the judge. I see a lot of foot dragging in a lot of ways. And so, yeah, you're right. Again, that's why I say vigilance. And if we can't force a judge to move on these things, well, we can let everybody know what a bad job they're doing in that regard. So, you know, we'll wait and see a little bit, but let's stop waiting and let's start looking really hard.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and that's why what you're doing, what we're doing is so important. And it's a great segue into our quote of the day from James Madison. But I will make a plug for the voters guide that we put together. And you can access that by going to Kim Munson dot com. And at the top, just click on the ribbon and then we will send you a link to your email. It's extensive and I would highly recommend I want people to. to be informed instead of confused. And so that's why we did that. Kevin Lumberg, as always, I greatly appreciate you. Thank you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you.
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Happy Tuesday, Kim.
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And it's great to be back. I've missed all of you. It was nice to take a little bit of time, but it is great to be back. We have so much to do to reclaim this beautiful state of Colorado. Denver has become dirty and dangerous and dysfunctional. our state as well and that's why these elections are so important check out my voters guide i took positions on the two statewide issues which it's uh for the children this is one of those things it's so it's really brilliant from a marketing standpoint it's healthy school meals for all children are what these two uh questions are about we already have a federal or a national lunch program. This is really a takings from people that make more than $300,000 a year. And beware, I know that, and so it's based in a way on envy, that, oh, those people are making that money, they can give up a little bit more to pay for healthy school meals for all children. But there's all kinds of bureaucracies that will be created because of this. They're looking for nearly another $100 million with Proposition MM, from people that are earning more than $300,000, which typically that may be your entrepreneurs, that may be your small business owners after they've gotten to a point where they are successful, but they put in so many hours to make that happen. And so to treat them Partially to to treat them differently. That's antithetical to the American idea. So both those proposition LL and what that proposition LL is, is the state of Colorado in well, in 2022, it was on the ballot. and it was healthy school meals for all children, put in place new bureaucracies. They said they were going to raise $107 million. They actually raised $12 million more. So Prop LL says, oh, we want to keep that money as well. So when people talk about greedy corporations, let's talk about what's really greedy, and that is government. And the problem with government is they have the resources. uh... they have force behind them they can forcibly take that money and uh... so i would recommend no on both of those we also took positions on the five different bond questions for denver which again very disingenuous on the language they say without increasing tax rates something like that i'll have to take a quick look at it uh... but in fact the weather wanting to do is extend debt well if you pay off your car your payments go down. They're saying they want to keep those payments basically into perpetuity is what we're seeing with government. So check out the voter's guide. That's at kimmunson.com. And taxation is a real problem. I think people believe that government has a proper role and there is a proper amount of taxation, but when it gets out of control, well, Our country was founded because of excess taxation. And so we need to understand what's going on. And one of the things that kings do is they take the root of people's labor for themselves. And we've got this protest coming up on the 18th of No King's Day, which is being organized by the radical left. and really against Donald Trump saying no kings. And I agree, no kings. But what a king does is they take the fruits of your labor and they control your lives. Well, we're seeing that play out. And local governments, here we have Denver, will be asking for almost a billion dollars to extend debt. And that is money that is taken from we the people. But then The payback on that, I've got to figure out exactly what it is, but it's probably close to double. And again, kings take the fruits of people's labor, and how do they do that many times? Through taxes and fees. And there are those on both sides of the aisle that do in elected office, and then of course all these bureaucrats, these city managers, and all these bureaucrats, that they are making king's ransom salaries. For example, the City manager in Lakewood is just salary alone is making just south of $400,000. That's pretty significant. And so we will continue to have these discussions. Two things I wanted to mention. The word of the day is superfluous. And it is spelled S-U-P-E-R-F-L-O-U-S. And it could be to overflow, be more than needed, useful or useful, not needed or wanted, surplus, excessive, irrelevant. And our challenge is to use the word superfluous in a sentence today. And I would say all of these different words. Laws and ordinances are really superfluous, and we need to be reclaiming freedom. Our quote of the day is from James Madison. He was born either in 1750 or 1751. He died in 1836. He was an American statesman, diplomat, and founding father. He was the fourth president of the United States and is known as the father of the Constitution because of his contributions to writing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And he said this, if man is not fit to govern himself... How can he be fit to govern someone else? Very good point. That's why the education of our children is so important. Being able to read and write and do arithmetic, all those things are so important. And as you all know, that we are an independent voice on an independent station. that happens and on the voter's guide there was no nobody paid me to do this no corporation or anybody said you know what stand we needed to take i looked at this these issues as what is best for the people of colorado and that made the case for my recommendation you may disagree and that's okay but my hope is is that you will have a tool that will really help you think about these issues. And you can get that by going to my website. There's a red ribbon at the top. Click on that, and then we'll get you a link that you can download the voter's guide, and I highly recommend that. But we are totally independent, and it happens because of amazing sponsors. And I've got one of those on the line right now, and that is John Bozen with Bozen Law. John, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 17 :
Good morning, Kim.
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And lots going on.
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Lots. And I will continue to support your independent voice. So important. I appreciate that voter guide a lot. Lots of folks ask me and I just give them the direction. Go to the Kim Munson website. Download it from there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and John, I am making recommendations, but I put hopefully enough information there that people think about it. What I have seen is that consultants on both sides of the aisle, they don't really give the whole story of what the ballot question is. And they're just trying to influence people to vote, vote, vote, vote, vote. And I want people to start to really think about the issues. And so hopefully we've given them a lot of information. And then I included, one of my neighbors went through and got all of the contact information for all of the, and thank you to Louise for doing that, on all of the county clerks. And so we included those phone numbers there where people can contact the county clerk and get the contact information for each of the candidates and reach out to the candidates and find out where they stand. So again, we hope it's a great... a great tool, but over on, on what you're doing all the time, uh, we talk about it on a regular basis, but, but we need to continue to talk about how important it is that people contact you, uh, right away after some kind of a situation has occurred in their lives.
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SPEAKER 06 :
And that is a very important number to remember. One other thing, John Bozen, I can't believe that we are at the middle of October. It seems like, gosh, I remember, I think it was like the first week of October, there was a significant blizzard. That was probably 30 years ago, maybe, or something like that.
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I remember that when I was here. Yeah, folks, winter is right around the corner. It could happen very soon. Cold weather does things to cars. Now is the time to prepare your vehicle and get ready for the cold weather that is just around the corner. That means having your car tuned up, getting things working properly, new tires or tires that are better in the snow. Minimum, all weathers. But here in Colorado, we benefit by having those studded tires. They do make a difference. Now is the time to get those things done.
SPEAKER 06 :
Windshield wipers need to be in good repair. Oh, yes, absolutely. And then also make sure that you have your window scraper in your car because the weather can change so quickly in Colorado. And there was one time where I think I'd taken my scraper out because it was summertime. And it's like, oh, I need that. So make sure you have that in the car, too.
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Yep, make sure that defroster is working, all those things. Yeah, I can recall many occasions watching people going down the road. No way they can see out the window. Half an inch of ice on there. What are they doing? What are they trying to do?
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You don't want them to cause an accident, but if they do, then the victim needs to talk to John Bozen and Bozen Law. And Joe just said in my ear, remember washer fluid as well. That is super important, too.
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Super important. Absolutely. All good ideas and tips that need to be implemented today, not a week from now after our first good hard snow.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. And also, unplug your hoses from your faucets. That's important as well. So, John Bozen, again, what's that number for people to reach you?
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And that's John Bozen with Bozen Law, and we will talk with you next week.
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We'll look forward to it, Kim.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That's Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. And this is our monthly event with Professor Rob Nadelson, an expert on the Constitution, a former law professor. He's had many of his writings referenced by many of the courts, even the Supreme Court. And he takes our questions regarding the Constitution, the Supreme Court, the courts. And I learned so much. It's so great to have him on the line. Rob Nadelson, welcome.
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Good morning, Kim, and good morning to all our listeners.
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Well, and boy, there's a lot going on. So first of all, though, the original Constitution, you have the fourth edition, which is referenced now as the historical meaning of America's supreme law. Why did you end up coming up with a fourth edition?
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That's a great question. This book was first published in 2009. And it had the usual first edition type problems, like typos. And so we corrected it with a second edition that lasted five years. But then we had so many constitutional developments people wanted to know about, even though the original constitution hadn't changed, that we came out with a third edition in 2015. Well, basically the same thing happened and has driven the production of the fourth edition. A lot of stuff has gone on.
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Well, definitely. And when you mention edits or proofing errors, we just completed our Colorado Union of Taxpayers ratings report. And I was cross-eyed as I was trying to finish that up. And our board meeting was last night. And I said, if you see any typos or edits, don't tell me tonight. Tell me tomorrow. I just needed a break on that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, they always get through. I mean, no matter how many times you edit, it's amazing. But anyway, the same thing happened between the time of the third edition and the fourth edition, and that is a lot of things that happened. The Trump administration is a gift. Well, as the Biden administration was a gift to constitutional commentators, because all of these issues come up. So we had two Trump impeachments. We had suits during the first Trump administration claiming he violated the Constitution's emoluments clause and on and on. And so what we did with the fourth edition is we took the available information that we had from the founding era and we clarified what things like high misdemeanors in the impeachment section of the Constitution means and what the term emoluments means. Previous to that, while we mentioned it, we had no particular reason to emphasize it. So the fourth edition still is a commentary on the same Constitution, but it's been updated to reflect public interest.
SPEAKER 06 :
And people can buy the book where?
SPEAKER 08 :
The simplest way is Amazon. It's dirt cheap. I'd like to charge $98 for it, but they won't let me.
SPEAKER 06 :
So you can get that, the original Constitution by Rob Nadelson. And we invite callers to call in at 303-477-5600. And we have Sondra on the line. Sondra, welcome to the show. And what's on your mind?
SPEAKER 03 :
Good morning, dear Kim, and thank you, Rob Nadelson, for joining. for being here and navigating us through this Constitution.
SPEAKER 08 :
You're very welcome, and let's try to avoid the shoals, shall we?
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. There you go. I have been noticing a trend. I attend, or I should say we, family and friends, go to a lot of political events, and I've noticed when I go online, the venues of excuse me, where the venues are being held. The location is not published anymore. You have to purchase the tickets and then they publish where the venue is. And I kept thinking about our Constitution, our freedom of speech, our right to assemble peaceably, and not to impede on our rights. And we've got... I think the reason that is is there's threats in this, as Tim would say, we are in such a time as this. And wanted to get your perspective on just where maybe the courts stand in this battle. I think it's a monumental battle.
SPEAKER 08 :
Clarify for me what kind of event you're thinking about where the venue is not advertised.
SPEAKER 03 :
They're Republicans. The Lincoln Day dinners, I mean, they're not publishing the locations. The one Debbie Perry Smith just did in Arvada. And, right, they want to know that you are, you know, I'll say a friendly person.
SPEAKER 08 :
My immediate comment on that is we have a problem. I first noticed this problem back in 2008. I was helping a friend of mine moderate a website, a political website. and we had a lot of participants from both sides of the aisle. And I began to notice that a lot of the participation coming from the left was not coming from traditional liberals. You know, liberals traditionally, they didn't think much about economic rights or property rights, but they were very big on civil liberties, including freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, and they respected your right to do those things. What I noticed beginning at this time was that an increasing number of people who were coming from the left were authoritarian. They were not liberals anymore. They were basically, probably a better word is totalitarian. They saw no limits on government, and they wanted everything done their way, and anybody who did anything any other way didn't have any rights at all. And true to form, that has in fact gotten worse and worse in America. We have raised a generation, and I don't mean to say this is just an age thing, But we've raised a generation of civic barbarians who don't believe in fundamental rights. And that, I think, is why people, especially people on the right side of the spectrum, feel they have to protect themselves against violence. I think there are a number of reasons for this. One poll that came out last year indicated that these totalitarian types were disproportionately people who were fairly recently educated at prestige educational institutions, at colleges and universities. And as a refugee from academia, I can tell you that while academia all through my career was left of center, it grew increasingly authoritarian. And so you're turning out people who basically live in a little bubble. They've never heard other ideas, and so they assume that anybody who doesn't share their ideas is evil. So as I said, it is a real problem. And the solutions, well, that would require perhaps a whole program. I've got a number of possible ones. But let me just suggest one. I think that we send entirely too many people to college. We send people to college who aren't really interested in learning critical thinking. and we are creating massive bureaucracies, including diversity, equity, and inclusion bureaucracies in colleges and universities. And that is largely due to the huge infusion of federal money through the student loan program. The student loan program, in my opinion, has turned out to be a disaster on several different levels and should be terminated. And that way, at least, we might begin to shrink this overly bloated, overly ideological sector back down to size, and perhaps not quite as many people would get indoctrinated.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, thank you, Rob Nadelson. And Sandra, your question is such an important one. The radical activist left has accused the big, broad middle of America of, well, and also the Republicans as wanting to foment racism. But when we look at the reality, it really is the far, far left. And of course, with this big No Kings rally that's being scheduled for the 18th this Saturday, this is a big deal. And you're not going to see... I don't think you're going to see, again, the big broad middle. That would be your moderate Democrats and unaffiliateds and Republicans and conservatives and libertarians out there trying to shut down these voices because we do believe in freedom of speech, but yet they did shut down the voice of Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, Kim, one of the problems related to this is the creation of ideological bubbles. Now, that's always been a problem. It's not new. But these ideological bubbles exist on the left. Not so much among conservatives, because we can't get away from hearing the other side. You know, the other side is everywhere. It's in the atmosphere. Environmental propaganda, for example, everywhere. But the other side can conceal themselves in a little bubble. I ventured, Kim, this morning to listen for just a few minutes to one of the talk shows that represent your evil competitors. And they had a socialist woman on who apparently is active in Colorado politics. And she made the comment that crime is the product of poverty. Poverty causes crime. She didn't say it contributes to crime. She said categorically crime is a result of poverty. And I say to myself, how could anyone believe that? I mean, all through history, we've had poor societies that weren't necessarily criminal. People were desperately poor during the Great Depression, and we didn't have this kind of crime wave. And the host pointed out that a lot of people commit crimes that have nothing to do with property or need to support their families, like rape, for example. But she believed this because she's raised in an ideological bubble, and she's never been exposed to other points of view or to the lessons of history or to basic criminology. This bubble problem is one – well, bubbles fester this kind of ideological totalitarianism or authoritarianism that causes people to turn violent. We have to find a way to pierce those bubbles. It's something I've just begun to think about.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it's been very successful elsewhere, and I encourage people to call. The number is 303-477-5600. You can get on. You can do follow-up questions as well. If you don't want to get on the air, you can simply text the Kim Munson Show.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that text line is 720-605-0647. Again, the call-in line is 303-477-5600. And we have Mark on the line. Mark, welcome. Hi, Mark. Good morning, Kim. Good morning, Professor.
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There's been a lot of talk from the left last few years about that our democracy is under threat. So my question to you is, does our Constitution reflect a democracy or a republic?
SPEAKER 08 :
That's a great question, and it's not an easy one to answer. The founders did not draw a sharp distinction between a democracy and a republic. Sometimes they called the American system of government democracy. Sometimes they called it a republic. I've been trying to sort this out, to figure out what their meanings are for a number of years. And basically what I've concluded is this. When they used the word republic, they meant most of them, not all of them, meant a government that first did not have a king. A monarchy is inconsistent with a republic. Secondly, that followed the rule of law, that didn't just imprison people or go as it went along without any rules. So it could not have a king. It had to follow the rule of law. And then ultimately, a republic had to be responsible to the citizenry. It could be a large citizenry, such as we have in America today, or it could be a state like Athens, let's say, where the citizenry was pretty narrow. In the Federalist Papers, there is some discussion of a concept that Aristotle raised called pure democracy. And the founders believed that pure democracy was inconsistent with republicanism. What they meant by pure democracy is a system, if it can be called that, where all decisions are made by the mob. that there are no magistrates at all, that you hold a meeting and you decide whatever you want to do at the moment, and you don't follow the rule of law. And because you don't follow the rule of law, it's not a republic. Many conservatives try to draw a very sharp distinction between democracy in general and republican in general. And I used to believe that was so, but it's not really an accurate distinction. The distinction is between a republic on the one side and a pure democracy on the other. And so finally, to answer your question, from the founders' view, they were setting up both a republic and a constitutional democracy. Not a pure democracy, but a constitutional democracy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Excellent question and excellent explanation on that, Rob Nadelson. We've got Wyatt in Wyoming on the line. Wyatt, what's your question for Rob Nadelson?
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Hi, Wyatt. Well, good morning, both of you. It's regarding property rights. Can you tell me where in the Constitution it says that the U.S. government can own all this federal property? The state of Utah is almost 80% owned by the federal government. I think Nevada is even more so. And then the second question I'd have is that when they come in with a conservation easement, how can they have it say that it goes into perpetuity?
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, well, let's respond to that in inverse order. Property law used to be my specialty, and so I won't have any trouble with the easement question. Easements can be held in perpetuity or they can be held for a shorter period of time. It all depends upon the terms of the grant. And so you can create any kind of easement. It could be an easement for passage over land or a conservation easement, which is a kind of easement we call a negative easement. And that can be done in perpetuity if parties, the buyer and the seller, agree. As to the issue of federal lands, actually, the figure in Utah is about 66 percent is federally owned. And you're right that Nevada is even higher. It's 87 or 88 percent is owned by the federal government. Now, let me tell you what the courts say, and then I'll tell you my view of it. What the courts say is that the property clause in the Constitution, which you'll find in Article 4, the reference to federal property, enables the federal government to hold land for pretty much any purpose. And it can hold it in perpetuity, or it can dispose of it, or it can acquire it. That's been the rule followed by the U.S. Supreme Court since about 1938. My own view is that that's wrong, that the government has the ability, has the power to hold property, that it is acquired by treaty, but it can't hold property in perpetuity unless it does so for an enumerated purpose. So, for example, the government has the right to run post offices. Obviously, as part of the right to run post offices, the government needs to be able to acquire land for property. the post offices themselves, or the government needs forts and other military installations. The government has to have the right to acquire land for those purposes, and that sort of thing is actually mentioned in the Constitution. But the idea of the federal government holding land for unenumerated purposes, that is, for parks or simply because it wants to hold the land in perpetuity, is, I don't think, constitutionally permissible. Now, before somebody goes half-cocked and says, Nadelson wants to put up condominiums and McDonald's and all the national parks and sell them off and everything, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that environmental treasures like the national parks don't need to be held by the federal government. They can be held as such treasures are held in Britain by permanent trusts that will protect them for future generations. But I don't believe, and I think this is kind of implicit in your question, that the federal government has the right to own land indefinitely just because it wants to hold the land indefinitely. One last point. The founders didn't believe that either. And when the founders drafted the Constitution, they drafted it upon the assumption that most land would be either held privately or by the states. When the federal government owns 88% of the state, as it does in Nevada, or 66% as it does in Utah, that gives the federal government far too much power over the states for the federal system to work properly. And so that is a problem. It's more than just a theoretical problem. It's a practical one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, thank you. Follow-up question on anything, Wyatt?
SPEAKER 18 :
well i thank you for that my question then would be okay if the federal government or even the state government owns property they have essentially taking that off taken that off of the property or the tax rolls yes the budget for say let's say the county the county owns property has taken property or bought property in the county or the city. Even better example, the city has bought property in the county. That property has been taken off of the county tax rolls. Therefore, my property tax has increased to cover the amount that is no longer taxed because the city owns it. I argue that I am now subsidizing the city to own property in the county. How do we go about rectifying that, I guess, is the question.
SPEAKER 06 :
And let's keep that as a cliffhanger on that. That is an excellent question. I'm talking with Rob Nadelson. He's a constitutional expert. And Wyatt in Wyoming has posited a very interesting question about as government, the municipal or state, county is acquiring more land. They're not lowering their budgets. So what that means, that's taking land off of the property, off the tax rolls. So that burden is going to be falling on the private property owner. We'll keep that as a cliffhanger. These discussions are very important. Regarding mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy. He's another great sponsor of the show.
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or just send them a question through the online form franktown firearms where friends are made and welcome back to the kim munson show and i would highly encourage you to support the two non-profits that i highlight on a regular basis on the show one is the usmc memorial foundation and they're raising money for the remodel of the marine memorial at sixth and colfax and also taking care of the memorial And Veterans Day is right around the corner. So a great way to say thank you to those that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives is to support the USMCMemorialFoundation.org. And then also the Center for American Values in Pueblo. They're nonpolitical, nonpartisan, but focused on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism through helping educators in K-12 programs and on values presentations, their Medal of Honor, Portraits of Valor. So be sure and support them as well. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. Great question that is asked by Wyatt in Wyoming, and that is, is this government, local, county, state is acquiring more land. We can see this through open space. using actually tax dollars or lottery funds to buy open space, takes that land, that property, off of the tax rolls. We don't see governments reducing their budgets, so that burden is going over to the citizen. Am I getting that, setting that up the way you wanted it to be?
SPEAKER 08 :
There were actually two parts to the question, and I'll address that one in a minute. But first he asked about the fact that the federal government takes this land away out of the private sector and therefore doesn't pay taxes. In partial defense of the federal government, there is a system called payment in lieu of taxes, or PILT, P-I-L-T. And it's a system whereby the federal government actually gives money to local governments to reflect the fact that that land has been taken off the tax rolls. If you're curious about PILT payments in lieu of taxes, there's a website, which is DOI, as in Department of the Interior, doi.gov forward slash PILT, P-I-L-T, doi.gov forward slash PILT. The other part of his question referred to state and local ownership of land. And that's not something I can answer constitutionally, because the states pretty much have unlimited sovereign power, except as limited in their own constitutions and in the federal constitution. And so the states can own anything they want. And The cities get their power from the state governments, so they could own anything that's authorized by the state government. So the only real response to that is the political process, and that is to let representatives know that you oppose a particular program of acquisition of land or that you would like state or local land to be disposed of. or if it's state land that you'd like the state to pay something like PILT to the local government to help subsidize local services. So that's really a political question rather than a constitutional one. And like most political answers, it's not entirely satisfactory. A follow-up question?
SPEAKER 18 :
I thank you for that question. My understanding of it was as a territory became a state, they were to release, the federal government was to release all of the lands to the state. So again, that begs the question, where did the BLM, where did the National Forest come? all of these other entities that have, federal entities that own land, where did they come from, or how are they derived, and from what constitutional perspective do they derive their powers?
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. This land was generally, BLM land, for example, was generally acquired by treaty. It was, in some parts of the country, it was acquired from France through the Louisiana Purchase. In other parts of the country, it was acquired from Mexico through after the Mexican War, and then the federal government simply continued to own it rather than dispose of it as the founders had envisioned. The deal between the states where they entered the union and the government was enshrined in what are called enabling acts. These were laws. Wyoming has one. Colorado has one. These were laws that were passed by Congress, setting forth the condition under which Congress agreed for these territories to become states. And while they generally provided that some land would be turned over to the states, for example, land to help support the public school system, they generally also said that the federal government can retain most of the land within the states, and the states can never question that. That was... That's something that I've explored in the past because it wasn't exactly an equal bargain, was it? I mean, if you're in Wyoming territory or you're in Colorado territory and you want to be a state and be self-governing, you're going to have to agree to almost any conditions the federal government imposes upon you. And so it wasn't really an equal bargain. The Fed said, if you want to elect your own local officials, your own state officials, you're going to have to agree to allow us to retain half the land in your state or 60% of the land in your state. Whether that can ever be challenged today is dubious, but there have been groups formed with the idea of maybe eventually challenging it in court.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. A couple of things. We're just about out of time. One of our listeners said you were having trouble getting in. I don't know that we'll have time for you today, but the call-in line is 303-477-5600. We have Gammy on the line. Gammy, we only have a couple of minutes. What's your question?
SPEAKER 08 :
You with us, Danny?
SPEAKER 06 :
Gammy, I think she's Joe's. It's Gammy. Gammy, what is your question? Okay. I think we're having a little technical difficulties. Let me check on time here where we are on time here. Just a second, because we're getting close.
SPEAKER 08 :
If you can't take any more callers, I've got kind of a gratuitous comment.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Hello? Gammy, we've got about 30 seconds for your question.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, it's not a question, it's a commentary. The land all belongs to we, the people, first off. Second off, I'm going to bring you all the way around to Tina Peters, the Truth Matters site on Rumble. You look at all the stuff she's got on there, the Venezuelan connections, whistleblowers, you know, Serbia. And what I'm telling you is the elections have been so compromised that that's how the power has been taken away on our lands. And every way there is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, thanks, Gammy. Thanks, Gammy. Okay, and Rob Nielsen, we only have about a minute left. How would you like to wrap this up?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, let me just say that the issue of federal lands goes back to the 19th century. It is not related to local electoral problems. The other thing I wanted to mention is regarding the so-called government shutdown. I'd like the people to understand what this really is, okay? The federal government, the Congress, passes a law called the debt limit. It sets a maximum on how much the federal government can borrow in new debt. When the government hits that limit, Congress has to pass a new law raising the debt limit so we can go further into debt. All the shutdown means is that we've hit the debt limit and we can't go further into debt. In other words, what it means is that during the period of the so-called shutdown, the federal government is running a balanced budget. I don't think that's so bad.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don't either. And Rob Nadelson, thank you so much. We are out of time, and I really appreciate all your callers. We will do this again next month. It will be the second Tuesday of each month. And our quote for the end of the show is from James Madison. He said this, knowledge will forever govern ignorance. and the people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. So today, my friends, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, and strive for high ideals like Superman's stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. We will talk to you tomorrow.
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In this gripping episode of America's Veteran Stories with Kim Monson, we delve into the remarkable life of Eddie Rickenbacker, a pioneering figure of American aviation. From his humble beginnings in Columbus, Ohio, to becoming the ace of aces during World War I, Rickenbacker's journey is one of courage, inventiveness, and relentless ambition. Hear firsthand how his mechanical genius and strategic mind carved a path from race car driver to esteemed combat pilot. With vivid storytelling from Colonel Bill Rutledge, this episode highlights the extraordinary exploits of Rickenbacker, including his near-fatal airplane crash and survival against incredible odds.
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And welcome to the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You're each treasured. You're valued. You have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team that I get to work with. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Check out the website. That is kimmonson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter while you're there. That goes out on Sundays. My email is Kim at Kim Monson. That's M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. I appreciate all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And the show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And that is on all KLZ 560 platforms. That's KLZ 560 AM, 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app. You can say Alexa, play KLZ. And then everything is on Spotify and iTunes as well. It is Memorial Day. It's a day to stop and reflect about those that gave all or at least some. There are those that came home that have been injured. And so it's a time to stop and reflect about the sacrifices that have been made for our liberty. And so it's a day sometime today. Sit down. with your family, your kids, your grandkids, and just talk about the significance of Memorial Day. And so we are pre-recording the show, and very pleased to have on the line with me Colonel Bill Rutledge, 96 years young. He is a retired Air Force colonel, and he's traveled the world. He reads extensively. has a great curiosity about people and places and things. And he said for Memorial Day weekend, both for the America's Veterans Story Show and for the Kim Monson Show, let's talk about Medal of Honor recipient Eddie Rickenbacker. And so, Colonel Rutledge, welcome to the show. Well, good morning, Kim. It's good to have you, and it's a really remarkable story. So let's start with Eddie Rickenbacker's story. Where was he born?
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Okay, well, Eddie was—first of all, Eddie's mother and father came from the German-speaking part of Switzerland, and they immigrated in the— 1880s. And Eddie was a third of eight children, and he was born in Columbus, Ohio, October the 8th, 1890. And his parents really wanted to be a part of the American society. So they gave all of their eight children English first names. And not only that, when they were in Switzerland, Rickenbacker was spelled slightly different. So when they came to America, by coincidence, people put it down like it sounded to them, B-A-C-K-E-R, and it would have been B-A-C-H-E-R had they stayed in Germany.
SPEAKER 09 :
OK. And so he was born in Columbus. And even at a young age, he was really an entrepreneur.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, he was. He felt an obligation to, first of all, to help his family. And so he took a job when he was 10, where he was delivering newspapers and he got one dollar a week for all of his work. And then shortly thereafter, actually when he was 13, he was in the seventh grade, his father was in a working accident and was killed. So Eddie dropped out of school. Now, it's not unique, his experience, because I compare him very often in the aviation field and also especially commercial aviation. And I relate him to people like Edison and Bell and Ford and Chrysler, all of these great, great people. Most of them never had a high school education, and certainly they never went to college. And so he had an education until he was 13, and then he became an apprentice teacher. as a machinist working with people with a company that was designing and building race cars.
SPEAKER 09 :
And he became really an expert, ultimately, as a mechanic, yes?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, he became so good as a mechanic that they started having him ride in the race car. Now, in the early days... The race cars were designed specifically for that, so they weren't the flat traditional one that Ford was building and others. But they always had two people in the cab. So there was a driver, and they always had a mechanic with them because sometimes they did cross-country competition as well as a fixed track. And there were occasions when they'd have to get out and just stop, and the mechanic would have to get out and work on the engine. And he became an absolute expert in his field.
SPEAKER 09 :
So ultimately, though, he wanted to also learn to drive, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. Right. He was so good at his job. People wanted to keep him as a mechanic, but he wanted to move up and become a driver. So he did. And he moved up. And in his late teens, he was then he was a driver. And since he also was so good at mechanics, he was in a position to sort of make that transition where you didn't have to have two people in the cab of the car. So he was, again, a pioneer in early race driving. And he competed throughout the Midwest. And in those days, normally you'd pay some money to enter the competition. And the winner got the money. It wasn't like it is today where they scale it down and the winner gets the largest piece of the cash. In those days, if you came in second, that's too bad. No money.
SPEAKER 09 :
Interesting. And so he did end up racing at the Indianapolis 500, which that race is always over Memorial Day weekend.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, he did, and he became very interested in doing it. And he was really ready in 1917. By this time, he was... 27 years old. He'd had a lot of driving experience. And in May of that year, he was in Indianapolis preparing his car to go into the Memorial Day race competition. When he got a call from an old friend who was on the staff of General Pershing, And the friend said that General Pershing wanted to have a particular driving pool of experienced drivers to help move him around and other members of his general officer staff. So Eddie talked to him and he said, well, you know, I'm going to be racing next week. So if you would just let me do that, then I'd be ready to go. And the man who was a major on Pershing's staff, he said, Eddie, we're leaving tomorrow from New York, and if you're not ready to be on the ship, you're not going with the First Division. So Eddie said, I will be there. He hung up, and he went straight down and got on the trains and moved as fast as he could to New York and got there in time enough to get aboard ship.
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Thank you so much for listening to America's Veterans Stories. We are rebroadcasting some of the shows that we have recorded in the past because we have these amazing guests and these amazing stories, and we need to hear them. And so we thought that it would be a great idea to rebroadcast some of these so that you can hear our history and know our history because it is so important. So again, this is something that was recorded earlier, and thank you for listening. And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmonson.com. And we actually are pre-recording this show for Memorial Day weekend and for Memorial Day. And also because Eddie Rickenbacker was a Medal of Honor recipient. So a military career as well. We thought it appropriate that we would broadcast this interview both for America's Veterans Stories on Sunday and then for the Kim Monson Show on Monday. And so pleased to have on the line with me, Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, 96 years young. Amazing curiosity about people and places and things and reads extensively. And we're talking about Eddie Rickenbacker and really quite a career there. So as we mentioned in the previous segment, Eddie Rickenbacker volunteered in late May 1917 to become a part of General Pershing's American Expeditionary Force, and he was selected because of his automobile driving skills and his exceptional mechanical ability. And so he gets to New York, and they get on this ship. So then what happened, Colonel Rutledge?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, when he got to New York and he was about to go aboard the ship, one of the senior officers, and I think it was a full colonel, had the authority to designate the military rank or grade that they would have. So they designated him as a sergeant. And, of course, we know we have privates and corporals and then sergeants. So he was a sergeant, and as he got aboard ship, They looked at the stripes on his uniform and checked their records, and they said, okay, you're a sergeant, so you're going to be down in the hold with all of the other enlisted men. So he went down there, and it was crowded. It was smoky. There was oil fumes around. The food was terrible. And he didn't like it. So he went up on the deck and he came across another old friend who he had known in the automobile business. And he said, where are you staying? You're not with us. He said, oh, I've got my private cabin. And he said, well, why? He said, I'm a sergeant, you're a sergeant. He said, yeah, Eddie, but I'm a sergeant first class in service. Eddie said, well, I ought to be also. And he said, well, you aren't. And he said, well, Eddie said, well, how can I do that? And he said, you'll have to talk to the colonel. So he did. He went to the colonel and he said, so and so, he has a private quarters and he's up on the main deck. And it's very nice and it's terrible down the hold. So I want you to promote me. So he did. And he promoted him. And by that second night, Eddie had his own stateroom. And this was sort of the respect he had with his seniors because he was very good, but he was also very direct. And he made him know very clear that he was not happy down in the hold area.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and I love the initiative of him finding out how to change things and to change it. So then he gets over to Europe. What happens then?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, then the First Division went over, and they were there for several months while they were preparing to – get involved actually in the combat. And Pershing refused to let the Americans be integrated into the French force or into the English. Both of those wanted to be having american units coming in to replace their units that were decimated by the war and he said no we will fight as a unit and we will be the american expeditionary force and we will not be ready for a few months so they went through a formative period and eddie then was working with other drivers and of course he was the best mechanic in the whole bunch So he did not actually drive for General Pershing. Many people often thought he was. It was Pershing's motor pool drivers. But he was so good that he was selected by Billy Mitchell, who was a brigadier, and he was in charge of the Army Air Corps to be his driver so that whenever he went out, he wanted Eddie. And one of the interesting stories was that they were up near the front, and it was muddy and bad roads, and it was night and dangerous to be out. So Eddie was driving, and they got into this area with a lot of mud, and their car stopped. And he got out, and General Mitchell was very concerned. And Eddie said, well, I'll check it out. So he was so good, he found out what the problem was. He actually developed a replacement part that he put back in there, and he got the engine started, and they got out, and they moved. So this was the caliber of an individual he was. He... was creative and he always took initiative so he got the reputation of being extremely good with engines and because of this and because of his affiliation with general mitchell then he was actually assigned to one of the air airplane squadrons it was being formed the 94th and um He then became the principal mechanic for the aircraft engines. And when he did this, they just sort of centralized their maintenance because of his skill and ability. Eddie then approached the major, who later would become one of the chief of staff of the Air Force 20 years later. And he talked to the major and said, well, if I'm going to be working on these engines. I ought to know how to fly. And he said, but you're too valuable. And Eddie insisted, and he kept insisting. So finally, because of his persuasiveness, the major agreed to let him go to a French flying school. Now, Eddie didn't speak French, but Eddie was a fast learner. And so he went to this school. He learned how to be a pilot. And he had promised he would come back, which he did. So after he'd gone, he came back. Then he learned to fly, and he would fly around a little bit in non-combat areas. And then the class of Americans that he had been in were sent away to go to gunnery school, and Eddie didn't go. But the reason he didn't go, because the major said he was too valuable as a mechanic. So Eddie again started his persuasiveness and kept telling him, look, i'm going to be working with these people yes i'm working on the mechanical part but i want to be able to qualify as a combat pilot so if the opportunity or the need is there i can i can help our mission So he did. He went down to a French school, which is down in the southern part of the country, and it was designed specifically to teach people how to use machine guns on aircraft. So he learned that and then he came back. And so when he got back, it was now the winter of 1917, 1918. So he had to have some more opportunities to fly before he ever was exposed to combat.
SPEAKER 09 :
So in the year 1918, though, he did do combat missions, and he ultimately was awarded the Medal of Honor for those, yes?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, but that was years later. What happened was he had to have enough training to be confident, so he didn't go out. A lot of the pilots, the new pilots, were shot down in their first missions. Eddie flew enough with an experienced person, and actually he was the best American pilot. He'd been born in France, and he took Eddie sort of under his wing, so to speak, and worked with him one-on-one, where he would take his plane, Eddie would take his plane. They were flying French-made Newports, and so they trained. And then Eddie had a first chance for combat the last week in April 1918. So he did his flying. He was up and around, and he got his first aircraft shot down that time. But it was a harrowing experience, and he was learning a lot because that's— a situation where you either learn fast or you're shot down and you're gone. So shortly after he had had some combat experience, he had some sort of a respiratory problem. So Eddie was actually in and out of the hospital for almost two months. So May and June are basically gone. So then he came back, and now he's got about four months to work with, July, August, September, October. Within four months, Eddie had become the squadron commander and had shot down 26 German aircraft.
SPEAKER 09 :
Wow, that is amazing. And again, this would be like the old-time dogfights, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, absolutely. Yes, for sure. And he learned, he really learned a lot from the Germans, because the Germans were the ones that developed the attack program. And he was very observant of their procedures, and he used a lot of the tactics that the Luftwaffe was using then. Of course, then it wasn't called the Luftwaffe. It was only named that later. But nevertheless, he was flying during the period after most of the German aces had actually been shot down because of constant exposure. but nevertheless there were still the german pilots still were more experienced than these young americans well one thing was interesting about that they had to make a waiver on and this is a flashback eddie when he wanted to be a pilot the age requirements was 27. um You could not fly if you were that old, I mean, if you're over that age. I thought it was 25. I'm sorry, 25, correct. And, of course, he was born in 1890, so he was already 27. But what happened was the doctor who did the physical exam was a good friend of Eddie's. So he just changed the record to show that Eddie was born really in 1892. So... It shows, again, a little of his initiative and how his good friends helped get him into combat.
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Thank you so much for listening to America's Veterans Stories. We are rebroadcasting some of the shows that we have recorded in the past because we have these amazing guests and these amazing stories, and we need to hear them. And so we thought that it would be a great idea to rebroadcast some of these so that you can hear our history and know our history because it is so important. So again, this is something that was recorded earlier, and thank you for listening.
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land that I love and welcome back to the Kim Monson show be sure and check out our website that is Kim Monson M-O-N S-O-N dot com sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well and thank you to all of you who support us we're an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom something's a good idea you shouldn't have to force people to do it And I'm talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, 96 years young. And we're talking about Eddie Rickenbacker. And just really an amazing, amazing man. And both military and an entrepreneur. And we are pre-recording this for both Memorial Day and for America's Veterans Stories for the day before. So Colonel Rutledge, it's 1918, April. Eddie Rickenbacker in combat flight, he gets his first kill on that. And then he was in and out of the hospital because he had some respiratory stuff going on. And so then he ended up having four months left. Because then the war came to an end. And a rather remarkable record that he had 26 additional, a total of 26, I guess, Germans that he shot down, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct. And also, he had moved up where he was a squadron commander. And so when the war ended and he came back home, he was certainly the aviation hero. And also because of his close affiliation with General Billy Mitchell, he maintained contact with those people who were still flyers in the military. But he was also recognizing that in order to have good military a good pilot and a number of pilots for any kind of future combat that we need to develop commercial aviation for many reasons. But one of the reasons, of course, was to gain experience as pilots. So he was doing that. Then he also went back and he bought the indianapolis speedway it was on the market it was going to be sold and it looked like it was going to be converted into homes and businesses and he was very good working with financial people so he got backers and put it put together enough money to buy the property And he always claimed it because of the importance of the facility, that it was one of the greatest test places for the automobile industry. This is long before they had big outdoor tracks like they do in Arizona now. The racetracks were great, and the people, of course, in the tire business really promoted and encouraged racing there because they had to change their tires a lot when they were doing the Indianapolis 500. So he bought that so they could continue the procedure, which is still today. On Memorial Day weekend, it is... the elite race in America. And so he saved it. And then At the same time, he decided because of his mechanical skills that he wanted to go into the auto production field. So he actually did. And he set up factories. He got people that were going to be dealers for him around the country because he'd had some experience like that before the war. And they actually produced cars. rickenbacker automobiles many thousands during the 1920s but what happened was because of the great crash and depression as it started in 29 they just didn't have enough cash to survive so He had to go out of business, and then he started directing his attention more to commercial aviation, especially he affiliated with the very small airport and airplane operations in Florida. And then he eventually switched the name to Eastern Airlines, and he became the executive and eventually the owner of Eastern Airlines. Now, when he was going through this transition, Roosevelt was elected in 1932. He took office on March 4, 1933. And he was trying to figure out how to save money. And there had been some movement of airmail. by commercial carriers. And that seemed to be fairly safe because they would only do it during the daytime and where they could see and follow. They used to follow railroad routes or paved roads. They did all sorts of things because aviation was in its infancy on the commercial aspect. So he worked a lot with that. Roosevelt decided in spring of 34 that instead of paying commercial contractors to fly the mail, he was going to have the Army Air Corps do that. Well, the Army Air Corps didn't have nearly as good of planes as the commercials. They were still using training planes left over from World War I. Plus the fact they didn't know enough about flying at night. They didn't know the routes well, and they didn't have enough flying time. So consequently, when Roosevelt directed that happen, he canceled all the contracts with the commercial carriers and gave the assignment to the Army. And Lindbergh, along with Rickenbacker, both made public announcements to the effect that this was terribly dangerous, that it shouldn't be done, and for some of the reasons I've already mentioned. And so what happened in the spring of 34, within about a month or so, They had enough crashes. They lost 12 new young pilots in crashes. And I can remember, because I was very young, I was in the first grade, but I was in Georgia, and one of the pilots was from a town down there. It was from Albany, Georgia. And they used to have articles in the paper every day about this man who'd been in a crash in Florida. He was an Army Reserve. But what his health condition was, how he was recovering, his name was Mason Reed. And I just kept hearing people talk about, how is Mason Reed doing today? How is Mason Reed? Well, after a few weeks, Roosevelt realized that he had made a terrible mistake. So he backed off and took the Army out of the mail business and went back for commercial contracting. And that happened. continued on till today. It's done by commercial purposes, not by military aviation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and Roosevelt kind of held a grudge, didn't he?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, he held a real grudge. He held a grudge against Rickenbacker and also, of course, against Lindbergh. Both of them, Lindbergh had been designated a colonel in the U.S. Army Air Corps Reserve. And Rickenbacker had been, he served on active duty as a captain during World War I. But after the war, through the reserve, he was promoted also to full colonel in the Army Air Corps. And he was presented, of course, with his Medal of Honor, many years after the war. But these were the two most important pilots recognized by the American public. And when they both came out in opposition to Roosevelt, it had an impact. So when we got to World War II, both of them wanted to come back and be on active duty, and Roosevelt refused. He wouldn't let him do it. It was just a chip on his shoulder.
SPEAKER 09 :
So how did—we'd done that show on Lindbergh. How did Rickenbacker end up serving in World War II then?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, what happened was he had gotten to know— a number of the general officers, of course, from the First World War who had become generals then. And Hap Arnold now was the Chief of Staff for the Army Air Corps. And Hap Arnold knew how good Rickenbacker was. So when they started the military draft in 1940 and started building new fields all around the country, He approached Rickenbacker and said, I would like for you to go and inspect each one of these new bases. And what he did, he took him into the Secretary of War because there was no Air Force that's separate at that time. And Stimson was the Secretary of War. So he told him what he wanted to do. So Simpson gave him a letter that he could use and show to the base commanders at all of the new Air Force bases being built that he was speaking on behalf of the Secretary of the Army and had the authority to direct any changes necessary to make the bases and the training staff more efficient. So that's what he did. And he went all over America, did a marvelous job. And he was so successful there. that they even sent him to some of the other areas. And then even when Russia got into the war in 1941, in June of 1941 when they were invaded, we started sending aircraft over to assist them and all. Eddie went to Russia, representing the U.S., to help the Russians understand how to fly the American fighter aircraft. And he also had the opportunity to see what the Russians were doing as far as their aircraft construction. So he was... what we used to call a tech rep, technical representative, and to monitor and to come back and to share what he had learned in the field with the Army Air Corps. And it was very important. Now, it was so important, and now we get a situation where Japan has invaded, I mean, Japan has attacked Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941. In 1942, when Corregidor fell in the Philippines, MacArthur was sent by direction from Roosevelt, was sent to Australia. And he was to be the commander of that whole theater with the Army. But the Secretary of the Army wanted to relay some confidential information to MacArthur. So he elected to have Eddie go directly to talk to the general. Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
Colonel Rutledge, let's keep that as a cliffhanger. And also, before we get into that remarkable story, I also wanted to ask you about 1941 when he was in that plane crash. So let's keep those two things as cliffhangers.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, we can do that. We should do a flashback on that.
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Thank you so much for listening to America's Veterans Stories. We are rebroadcasting some of the shows that we have recorded in the past because we have these amazing guests and these amazing stories, and we need to hear them. And so we thought that it would be a great idea to rebroadcast some of these so that you can hear our history and know our history because it is so important. So again, this is something that was recorded earlier, and thank you for listening.
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Welcome back to the Kim Monson Show.
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Be sure to check out our website. That is kimmonson.com. Happy Memorial Day to all of you. It's a day to remember and reflect upon those that have given their lives for our liberty. And something that you might consider doing is the USMC Memorial Foundation will be sponsoring an event out at the memorial at 2 o'clock on Memorial Day. So be sure and check out their website. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. I'm talking with 96-year-young Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, about Eddie Rickenbacker. And we're getting ready to talk about when he was to take the message down to General MacArthur. But let's let's go back earlier in the year. I think it is, I guess, the year before February 1941. What happened to Eddie? Well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Eddie had become the chief executive officer for Eastern Airlines. And Eastern had become the largest commercial carrier in America before the start of our involvement in World War II. So he was a passenger aboard one of the DC-3s, which were the real advancement in commercial aviation for passengers. And he was just a passenger aboard on his way to Atlanta, coming out of New York. And so... There was no bad weather or anything going on, and nothing was unexpected. And they were approaching Atlanta, and something happened as far as the technical aspects of the aircraft and communication of the grounds, because a lot of it was experimental in those days. Anyhow, what happened was that the pilots... and the co-pilot were both killed in the crash that happened north of Atlanta. And it was finally after a flight investigation, they found that their altimeter had been wrong. They thought they were at an altitude of about 2,000 feet higher than they really were. So they flew right into the forest. And a terrible crash, and many of the people aboard were killed. And Eddie was, it was a miracle that he wasn't killed. He was in the wreckage, and the people came out as quickly as they could get there, but it took them about an hour, an hour and a half to come to the wreck site. Then the emergency people were trying to excavate and get their survivors who could walk get them out of the way first and then they heard that Eddie was still breathing so it took him over an hour to use cutters and things to get him out but he was so enshrined with metal all around him so they got him out they put him in the ambulance they all went to the hospital when they got to the hospital The doctors who were on call that night in the emergency room, they looked at Eddie and they thought, this guy's not going to make it. They said, put him over there to the side. So they just wanted to work on the ones that looked like they had a chance to survive. The good news for Eddie was that Eddie knew the doctor who was in charge of the hospital. And the doctor was alerted of the crash. So he came over and he arrived there within an hour or so after Eddie got to the hospital. And he asked, where's Eddie? And they pointed out to him over there. Well, he's over there with a group we don't think will make it. well the doctor in charge went over and became eddie's personal physician and he did everything he could and he saved eddie's life and but eddie had many many broken bones and a fractured skull and things which would normally kill anyone and uh So the doctor told him, he says, you're going to stay here and we're going to treat you. And he said, I believe that you will need to be here for eight months. And Eddie said, I don't think so. And in four months, Eddie got up and walked out.
SPEAKER 09 :
Amazing. Amazing. So let's get over to he walked out and we're now getting into World War Two. So now now what happened?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, then we've talked about his visits to all of our air bases and acting as a tactical consultant. But he then was asked directly by the Secretary of War to take a personal oral message to General MacArthur, who was now down in Australia. So he flew to Hawaii, and when he got to Hawaii... There was a B-17 available to fly him from there on down towards Australia. Well, they took off. There was Eddie and seven other members of the crew. And Eddie was the passenger. And they were going. They had their headings. Everything was going fine. But then their radio communications didn't work right. And the long and the short of it was that their contact with the islands that they were supposed to be able to stop at and refuel, they got lost. And after a while, it looked like there's no way they'd make any kind of a landing on surface. So the pilot told them we're going to have to crash land. So they moved on. There are supplies of water and also there are supplies of emergency food. And they moved it to a particular spot on the plane. And so they had to crash into the ocean. So they came down, made a good landing. But in their panic to get out of the plane, they forgot the food and the water. So they went out and inflated their three little rafts that were done. And so they all got in those. They got off. And when they got safely away from the airplane, it went under. And suddenly they realized, hey, we don't have any water and we don't have any food. And yet there's eight of us floating around out here and nobody knows where we are. And so what they were doing, they realized they were going to be dependent upon rain for water and try to try to fish. And so one of the first notable things happened. Eddie, very smartly, kept on his coat and regular suit and a big felt hat. Now, a lot of the people had thrown a lot of their personal clothing item away because they thought it would be easier for them to swim, to swim away from the plane. That was stupid because it also exposed them to terrible sun. so one day and this is shortly after they'd gotten out there floating around a bird came a seagull and landed on top of eddie's head and nobody moved nobody said anything they didn't want to frighten the bird so eddie real quickly wham on top of his head and he had the he killed the bird and so they took the bird and divided it up into eight parts and they ate the bird and of course there's no way to cook the bird anything like that they probably picked some of the feathers off but nevertheless That sustained them for a while. And then they also rigged up some devices with some strings and some sort of hooks they made that they could use and try to catch a fish once in a while. And then they had rain. And the rain is what saved them. and they were floating in the drift. They were lost and the newspapers didn't cover much about it because it was a very highly classified mission. But they did later report that Rickenbacker was missing on a combat flight to Australia. So we knew this. But 22 days before one of the aircraft, which was an amphibious plane from one of the smaller islands way out in the middle of the Pacific, flew over their area and identified them, and it took them another 24 hours to go back and get some other amphibious aircraft to come down and pick them up and take them all back to this island. And so then all the people wanted to go back to Hawaii, but Eddie said, no, I'm going on to Australia because I have a mission to perform, and it's verbal. So he did continue on, and he went and visited with MacArthur and relayed the information from the Secretary of the Army.
SPEAKER 09 :
Remarkable. And we've got a couple of minutes left. What would you say would be the big takeaways regarding Eddie Rickenbacker that you want our listeners to hear?
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Well, I think the most important thing to me was the amazing thing is that I've talked to many people that I've known during the last few weeks. And I'd say, do you know anything about Eddie Rickenbacker? They said, who's he? I couldn't find hardly anybody who'd ever even heard of Eddie Rickenbacker. And I told them a little bit about the story and that he was the most famous American fighter ace in World War One. But I also tried to equate him with. Other people of his era, and that's when I mentioned that he was on a par with people who they recognized. In other words, Edison and Bell and Ford and Chrysler, all of whom had no degrees. And you could go all the way back to Benjamin Franklin. People mostly didn't know anything about him either. But all these people did not have formal educations, but they were leaders in their field. Nobody else could have taught them because they were inventing and creating. And he was... Eddie was a person who was creative especially in business and organization for commercial aviation. In other words, he was to commercial aviation what Billy Mitchell was to the development of military aviation.
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Well, Colonel Rutledge, I so thank you for all of the research that you've done on this. And thank you so much for sharing this. And our quote for the end of the show is from Eddie Rickenbacker. He said, So, my friends, today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And stay tuned for our number two.
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