In this episode of Sekulow, the team delves into a shocking revelation that the FBI, under the guidance of Special Counsel Jack Smith, was spying on eight U.S. Senators and one congressman—all Republicans. This breach was brought to light by Chairman Grassley through documents released by the FBI. The show was packed with experts discussing the implications, including Jay Sekulow and Chief Counsel of the ACLJ, who broke down the legal ramifications and what this means for democracy and privacy rights in America.
SPEAKER 09 :
Today on Sekulow, we have breaking news as the FBI reveals that Jack Smith was spying on U.S. Senators.
SPEAKER 08 :
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SPEAKER 09 :
welcome to seculo we've got big news today as it was revealed by chairman grassley who was given documents by the fbi that show that the special counsel jack smith was spying on u.s senators there were eight u.s senators and one u.s congressman all republicans no surprise there but had gotten all their phone records from a certain period of time. And we're going to get into all that. We've got a jam-packed show today. We have Jordan Sekulow in studio with me. Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the ACLJ, will be joining us in the next segment. And then Senator Bill Hagerty from Tennessee, who was one of the targets. of jack smith spying will be joining us later in the broadcast so make sure you share this broadcast you click like on this broadcast we want as many people to see this because it is breathtaking what the fbi and jack smith were doing under the biden administration but before we get to that i also want to point out today marks the two-year memorial of the october 7th attacks by hamas on the people of Israel. And that war is still going on. We talked yesterday about the hope that we maybe have for some sort of resolution with this plan that President Trump put forward. And I'm sure we'll be getting into that later in the week. But we can't forget the savagery that was unleashed on innocent people in Israel two years ago today. And so as you go throughout your day, remember what Israel is fighting for. They are fighting for their survival because Hamas attempted a genocide that day against the Jewish people and they killed innocent men, women, and children. only because they were Jewish, only because they were Israeli. So we aren't going to spend a ton of time on that today, Jordan, but we need to remind people that that war is still going on and we do not want to forget that on this day.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that war is still going on. Israelis are still being killed. Hamas is still active, though not as active as it once was. And the Palestinian people have a peace plan on the table backed by the Arab Muslim world. So that would benefit all Palestinians, including Palestinian Muslims, Palestinian Christians. It would be life-changing. And Hamas has accepted most of those terms. Now, it's Hamas. We know. We're not naive here. Hamas accepting terms kind of gets you 25% of the way there at best because they didn't outright just reject it. But it's 75% of the way to see if they actually will go along with the rest of this plan. But what is great about this plan, just two years later, is that it is not Israel who will have to ultimately secure the Gaza Strip and rid it of the remnants of Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and other terror groups, but it will be a joint coalition of Arab nations who will replace Israel At a certain time, based on the agreement, Israel will pull out of the Gaza Strip. They will work with that joint group. But then ultimately, it will be Arab Muslims predominantly policing and securing other Arab Muslims. So you can't say this is Israel occupying the Gaza Strip or Israel killing Palestinians. I'm sure there will be violence. because it will be a military force that is set up. But it will be a military force of those who want to protect the innocents inside places like the Gaza Strip, those that we've represented before. And so again, just two years later, never forget the memories, And the people who were lost on October 7th and those hostages whose bodies haven't been returned to their families and those hostages who are still living under torment today. That they are hopefully, we pray, one step closer to being released.
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And when we get back, Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the ACLJ, will be joining us to talk about this. This is shocking, folks. In some ways, it's not shocking, though, because of who the perpetrators of this were. But we also will be playing sound from the attorney general who was before the Senate, before many of those people that were spied on by Jack Smith. And we'll get to that later in the broadcast as well. Go ahead and share this broadcast and support us at ACLJ.org. Back to Sekulow. Will Haynes here. Jordan Sekulow in studio with me. And we have Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice on the line. We're talking about this Operation Arctic Frost, the investigation by the FBI, which predated Jack Smith, but then Jack Smith took over when he became the special counsel. And this shocking revelation that that was released through Senator Grassley, Chairman Grassley, and by the FBI as they've been looking into these investigations that happened under the previous administration. And what we find out is that the FBI targeted eight U.S. Senators and one member of the House of Representatives by requesting over two years after The phone records, they call it toll data, which would be the locations, the durations of calls, and who the senator was calling from their cell phones. to get information as a part of this Arctic Frost investigation that Jack Smith was heading up as special counsel. I want to go right now to Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow. And just right off the bat, when this news came out yesterday, what was your first reaction when you heard what the special counsel was doing in targeting these U.S. senators?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, listen, I think this is, you talk about an outrage. I mean, I want everybody to put this into a context. Could you imagine if it was a different situation and it was the Department of Justice under President Trump spying on six Democratic senators, what the reaction would be? I mean, let's just think about that for a moment. Now take a step back. Why in the world did Jack Smith try to get the records, phone records, of a co-equal branch of government Six or five senators and a member of the House of Representatives. For what purpose? Now, he targets this around the January 6th time because he was concerned that maybe these senators were ones that voted, were going to vote not to certify. Let's assume that was true just for the sake of argument. You know what the answer to that is? So what? You're the special counsel. You're not the, you know, the governor of the elections. and a sitting u.s senator can vote any way they want they're elected and if you don't like the way they vote you vote for somebody else but this action by jack smith i think just typifies what was going on with the weaponization of the department of justice and i'll tell you who needs to be held accountable here jack smith and we i asked our team yesterday to start a process of We'll start with a FOIA, Free Remembrance Act request to find out exactly whose idea Arctic Cross was and what they were up to. But this should be sending shockwaves to members of Congress, Republican and Democrats, that a special counsel was going after them.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, well, Dad, what's also not shocking about this but illuminating is that what's redacted from the memo that was given to Chairman Grassley, of course, was the special agents at the FBI who signed off on this program, who signed off on this investigation to Jack Smith's team. But I want you to walk through this. This means that Jack Smith's team went to a court To get a warrant so they could obtain this data from phone companies. And then you look at constitutional protections that we all have, including U.S. senators, like the Fourth Amendment. I mean, what? That there were probable cause that they were engaged in a crime?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, look, I mean, not just the Fourth Amendment. I mean, the Fourth Amendment certainly is one of them. But, you know, the speech and debate costs. of the Constitution protects members in their official act, even if you disagree with their vote. But I mean, Jordan, you bring up a great point. This idea that you have a situation where, just think about this more, the Department of Justice lawyers point to a judge and say, we need these records. Now, was it a FISA judge? Was it a district court judge? Don't know the details of that yet. But the point of the matter is, why are we shocked? This is the same Department of Justice at the time that went into the FISA court and falsified emails to get a warrant, signed off on, by the way, agreed to by James Comey and Andrew McCabe and others. So this is just part and parcel of a much, much deeper problem.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and when you also look at the timeline of how this investigation even unfolded, where, you know, the Department of Justice under Joe Biden didn't do anything for the first almost year and a half until they launched this Arctic frost, but only April of 2022. And then they didn't appoint Jack Smith until November of 2022, right before the election season started to really get underway as you start to look at primaries and things of that nature. And then President Trump was indicted June 8th of 2023. right ahead of the election. These records weren't requested by Jack Smith and his team until September 27th of 2023, just under a year from an election. And you start to wonder, When it's only Republican senators being targeted, obviously with the nature of that, that you would expect that that is what would happen because it was a politically motivated investigation. But you start to really question even more election interference when not only are you going after the person running for president, but also members of Congress that are against the party that was in power at the time. It raises a lot of questions about what the political motivations were.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, let me know what the political motivations were. I mean, let's be realistic. This whole scam was put on the American people. We paid for this. Our taxpayer dollars paid for all this. And what was the end result? The end result appears to be six senators had their phone records subpoenaed by a special counsel to find out who they were talking to. I mean, you know, who they were talking to. I mean, think about this for a moment. These are the people you elected. And if you've got now a Department of Justice that had a special counsel's office set up. By the way, Jack Smith could have said, we're not going to use that information. We're not going to continue this. We're not going to look at this. That's not the point. The point is they did. And the point is they did this. I mean, the thing that has to be underscored here, this wasn't some thought maybe we should do this. They actually did this. But it's no different. I go back to the IRS Tea Party scandal. Remember that one we litigated for several years, had a great victory in? Look at the targeting there. Remember those emails between Lois Lerner and some of the others where they said things like, hey, if we can bring one criminal case, we can shut all this down. Maybe we can get DOJ to chill this down. I mean, this was the way in which they were operating. And I think, look, what's happening now is it's coming to light because there's new leadership in the Department of Justice, great leadership under Pam Bondi. And we're going to find out. But unfortunately, there's going to be more of this. That's the thing I really hate. There's going to be more of this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I mean, what's also interesting here is not only do we kind of already expect this kind of behavior out of the FBI during this time period, but the judges, federal judges who are an independent branch of government, dad, were rubber stamping this for them. Rubber stamping, tracking data, who senators are talking to, where they're located. Just give us names and we'll give you the warrant to get the information.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I mean, I'd like to know what in the world these judges were thinking, like you said, that they would think it was appropriate to get phone records and information from phone companies on members of the United States Senate, some of which who serve on very significant committees. And then the judges thought that was okay too. But look, if you look at the, I'll never forget this, the lawyer that mishandled and then changed an email and filed a false document with the court. The FISA court ends up getting suspended from the practice of law for six months, and he's back to practicing law now. It's outrageous. And it's just, we're now going to get to this. We said you got to have patience, and we've instructed our team to start the work to get to the bottom. We're going to get to the bottom of Operation Arctic Frost. We're going to thaw it out.
SPEAKER 07 :
Folks, we want to take your phone calls to 1-800-684-3110. One of the senators who was targeted here, Senator Bill Hagerty of Tennessee, will be joining us live in the midst of all of the shutdown talks and negotiations going on in Washington, D.C. as his name gets splashed around in this and comes about. So we'll talk to him about that in the second half hour. But we have time to take your calls at 1-800-684-3110 in this first half hour and in the second half hour of the broadcast. So give us a call. Because, Dad, I mean, I ended on this. I mean... Listen, if this can happen to a U.S. Senator and a federal judge will rubber stamp this, you, me, anybody listening or watching this show and podcast, however they're getting this information from us today, then they wouldn't even pause to give a warrant to the FBI for their information for ours.
SPEAKER 05 :
100%. That's a chilling effect of all of this. And that's why I think what we need to do now that it's been uncovered is now we go to work. That's why the support that our members and our ACLJ champions give the ACLJ is so significant. We need to encourage to do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, absolutely. And folks, we encourage you to do that today at ACLJ.org. If you're not already a monthly supporter of the ACLJ, join the fight. and become an ACLJ champion at aclj.org slash champions. It is a great day. As you said, I was already talking about this with my dad last night about how ACLJ can get involved and the multiple ways we can get involved to uncover this because usually when you get this information, it's just the beginning. And this is yet another investigation that we need to peel back the layers of the onion on. Go to ACLJ.org, support our work financially. This isn't easy work. It isn't one person who can do this. It requires teams of experts, both attorneys and government affairs, to put this together, to work with those senators, to work with, to make sure we're filing the right documents to get the correct information as quickly as possible. So go to ACLJ.org, support our work today. And if you can become one of those champions, those monthly donors, pick an amount that's comfortable for you. Go to ACLJ.org slash champions. And if you call into the broadcast at 1-800-684-3110, let us know if you're a champion and we'll move you to the front of the line.
SPEAKER 09 :
Welcome back to Seculo. We are still going over this information that came out yesterday. It was released by Chairman Grassley of the Senate Oversight Committee, as well as by the FBI, who gave the document to Senator Grassley and then also simultaneously released it. This comes at a time where we know the FBI is looking at a lot of the activity under the previous leadership of the FBI, under Christopher Wray, as well as what the Department of Justice was doing with special counsels and things of that nature when it comes to politically motivated investigations and who they were going after. And the saddest part about this is that none of these things are shocking in the way that they should be. They're shocking because it should never happen in America again. But you sit there and go, well, of course they were doing this. Of course they were getting the phone records of sitting senators because their respect for the rule of law did not exist. And we saw that with every policy of the Biden administration, whether it be the border or the way they handled free speech rights when it comes to people protesting abortion and standing up for life, or if it came to The protections of the Constitution for sitting U.S. senators, including the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, who has oversight of the very department that was investigating him. So let's go ahead and listen to what Senator Graham had to say, because Attorney General Pam Bondi today is before the Senate. A normally scheduled hearing where the oversight of Congress takes place and the Attorney General answers to activities that they've been under. But Senator Grant ties this also with the Comey indictment because of all the outrage on the left saying, how dare you go after James Comey and indict him when he broke the law. But let's go ahead and play bite seven for folks. That was this morning, just an hour or so ago, when he is questioning Attorney General Bondi.
SPEAKER 01 :
Why are we looking at Comey? Because he ran an FBI and personally knew about its sculptor information and let it slide. How in the can two FBI agents interview a man who says the document you're using against a sitting president to suggest he may be a Russian agent or Carter Page that is now no longer reliable, how does that not get to the court? Can you tell me how that doesn't get to the court? You can't, can you? I can't, Senator, and I can't... Can you tell me why my phone records, when I'm the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, were sought by the Jack Smith Agents, why did they ask to know who I called and what I was doing from January 4th to the 7th? Can you tell me that?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, Senator, and there were eight senators in total.
SPEAKER 01 :
Do you think that was an abuse of power?
SPEAKER 03 :
Senator, I cannot discuss whether there is or is not an ongoing investigation. If I may add one thing, they also wasted $50 million on what you just described, trying to put President Trump in jail prior to the election.
SPEAKER 09 :
So right there, we hear someone very upset, rightfully so, Senator Graham, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, at the time that all this went down, asking the current Attorney General about this situation. And I think we should list the other senators as well. This is Senator Lindsey Graham, Senator Bill Hagerty from Tennessee, Senator Josh Hawley from Missouri. We have Tommy Tuberville, Senator from Alabama, Ron Johnson from Wisconsin, Senator Cynthia Loomis from... from uh from wyoming senator marcia blackburn from tennessee we have the congressman mike kelly from pennsylvania and then we have dan sullivan the senator from alaska as well on this list so across the united states eight senators uh most of them very conservative some you probably actually never you don't hear a lot about. Like Dan Sullivan or Cynthia Loomis aren't the ones that you're always seeing in the headlines. But Jordan, clearly the senators are not pleased with what they found out.
SPEAKER 07 :
And from their perspective, I know we were going back and forth on the document on whether or not this was a warrant issued by a judge? Was it issued by a grand jury that a judge would just kind of oversee? And the senators in their statement, the senators who were targeted, do believe it was from a grand jury, that it was from one of the grand juries, I guess the D.C. grand jury that was impaneled likely by Jack Smith, so that he went to the grand jury to then ask to be able to go to the telephone companies to get this information on these senators. But as you heard from Pam Bondi, of course, as an attorney general, as a part of the Department of Justice, she can't confirm or deny if there's investigations ongoing. I can't imagine if you were a betting person that an investigation is not ongoing. It might have just started very soon, just recently, because to my knowledge, this was unknown. Right. No one was talking about, hey, this might come out. Even people who usually have access to this kind of information were saying, yeah, I think they were also spying on a group of senators as well. I mean, maybe some people said that generically, but honestly, if you were going to then give me the list of those senators... This is not the list I would have expected. I mean, a couple of these names on here are some of the louder voices. Some of the names on here are not. And as my dad said, the idea is this was going to be about whether or not they voted to certify an election, which they are elected by their constituents to cast that vote on. And what does Jack Smith have to do? What does that have to do with voting? January 6th, what does that have to do with the Jack Smith investigation? What does that have to do with any potential illegal conduct? It doesn't. It's protected so many different ways in the Constitution. And it should just, again, it's something that should never happen in the United States. It's harder and harder for law enforcement to get away with. Maybe it's easier for them at the time because the data is more accessible. You go to the grand jury, you can grab the data easier. But long term... It's hard to bury this because these documents, because of the partisan nature of our political system, you come to light and people realize, whoa, the previous FBI was spying on me. And they were spying on senators who happened to vote different ways, by the way, on certifications. It's not like this group of eight senators voted exactly the same on certification. In fact, they didn't.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, in Jordan, what's going to be even more absurd is the data they got. would tell them who they talked to, where they were, and the length of their phone calls. So just that in and of itself, it's not like they're going to all of a sudden discover that these senators were talking to like a drug cartel, right? You know, like, oh, we have this nexus between a criminal element. The reality is they were probably talking to their colleagues and the president of the United States.
SPEAKER 07 :
So all of a sudden they wanted to talk to as as not only elected officials, but as United States citizens who have done nothing wrong. Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And so that in and of itself, the presupposition by the special counsel and the FBI here. was that this data, being able to show that they talked to their colleagues or to the president or things of that nature, would help us prove a case against either Donald Trump or even maybe those senators themselves if they were the target of an investigation. That's where it gets so absurd and why this can never happen again. Because that is already... So authoritarian. And I know that that word likes to get thrown around, but when you're using law enforcement in the United States and a special counsel at that with unlimited budget, nominal oversight at that point, being able to go after sitting senators and things like that years after this event, ahead of a new election, it's shocking because that is the only goal can be trying to silence or get someone out of office or put them in jail. Those are the three options that the special counsel was targeting you.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, they have to have some kind of reasoning that they put forward to that grand jury about why they needed this information in the investigation of, in their mind, what was criminal conduct. We believe the whole thing was bogus, but they had to at least have something bogus to put forward. 1-800-684-3110. I want to take your calls, your comments, your questions. How do you feel about this? What do you think needs to happen at the FBI? 1-800-684-3110.
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Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow.
SPEAKER 09 :
Welcome back to Sekulow. Will Haines here and joined in studio by Jordan Sekulow. And in the next segment, we're going to have one of those senators, which was a target of the Jack Smith investigation and the FBI and whose records were... received and gotten by the fbi under this arctic frost investigation we're going to have to hear what he thinks about all this that'll be senator bill hagerty from tennessee joining us in the next segment but jordan i mean once again as we go through this and we were talking during the break you're looking at these things and one I thought it was very telling that Attorney General Pam Bondi was very careful which is great when Senator Graham asked her do you think this was an abuse of power which seems like an opinion question you can pontificate about but she stops it and says Senator I cannot discuss whether there is or is not an ongoing investigation.
SPEAKER 07 :
She already answered that question with if there's abuse of power the Department of Justice would be looking into it, and they can't confirm those in public hearings to those senators. So, again, that was her immediate response to me. Again, it doesn't tell anything 100%, but like you said, if there wasn't one started yet, Your answer could be, it appears that way, and that's why we believe we're going to start preliminary investigating this to decide if it needs to go further. And then you would use answers like that in the future, if the investigation actually did begin later. To me, it sounds like the moment they knew this information existed, which may be the moment that Senator Grassley got the letter sent to them or around the same time that Kash Patel delivered this, that investigation was likely opened into this specific part of Jack Smith's investigation, which is what on earth was he doing and his team and the FBI? So you've got DOJ, you've got special counsel, and you've got FBI special agents and their advisory agents okaying going into a grand jury and asking for this data on U.S. senators' cell phone calls.
SPEAKER 09 :
And Jordan, I think we should play this clip from Senator Hawley this morning in the same hearing with Attorney General Bondi. Remind you, he's on the list too. He is on the list. He is one of these senators that was spied on by the government. So let's hear what he has to talk about as well as, once again, asking about the investigation and the way that the Attorney General, I think, appropriately answers the question by 17.
SPEAKER 06 :
We've got a list. Tap my phone, tap Lindsey Graham's phone, tap Marsha Blackburn's phone, tap five other phones of United States senators. Gee, it sure looks like targeting political opponents to me, and yet I haven't heard a word from that side of the dais about any concern whatsoever. We've got nothing but concerns today, but no concern at all for a Justice Department that is tapping the phones of sitting United States Senators because who knows why? They don't like them. They're members of the opposition party. They're Republicans. They're conservatives. You've seen this document, Attorney General Bondi. What was going on here? Who ordered this? Who ordered the tapping of the phones of United States senators?
SPEAKER 03 :
Senator Hawley, I cannot discuss the details of that right now for very good reason.
SPEAKER 06 :
You're going to do a thorough investigation into this, I trust. Is that correct?
SPEAKER 03 :
We will be looking at all aspects of this, and I have talked to Director Patel at length about this.
SPEAKER 09 :
Once again, Jordan, it's refreshing to not have Merrick Garland up there trying to answer these questions. Naturally, the Democrats would be covering for him as well if this was to arise.
SPEAKER 07 :
She went a little further there. It's being investigated. Is it a criminal investigation yet? We don't know. It's likely not at that point yet, but if the department of justice is leading an investigation of conduct by a special counsel appointed through the doj who utilized doj officials and the fbi it's certainly and it was a criminal investigation then if there was wrongdoing there it would be criminal conduct i mean listen this is very serious and again to underscore the importance of fighting back here is not just just to protect the senator's constitutional rights but all of our constitutional rights because if it's this easy to get their information how easy is it to tap your phone support the work of the aclj we have this information now that we can go we can use for foia in other ways don't want to give that all away on the air but support the work of the aclj at aclj.org not just to protect the senators to protect you aclj.org donate today
SPEAKER 09 :
Welcome back to Sekulow. Will Haynes and Jordan Sekulow in studio here today. And we are joined by the senator from Tennessee, Bill Hagerty, who was a part of this targeting by Jack Smith and the FBI. And Jordan, I want to toss it over to you as we get right into this with the senator.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, Senator Hagerty, I just want to get first your reaction when you found out that you were part of these eight senators and one member of Congress, all Republicans, who were targeted by Jack Smith through what appears to be a grand jury that decided that it would be okay for his agents to tap your phones. They call it tolling, which is your location, the duration, and who you were talking to. So what is the other phone number? Your reaction when this news first was released?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, Jordan, initially I was shocked and then heartbroken. I mean, if you think about it, if political operatives at the FBI are allowed to do this to me, I'm a sitting United States senator. I was the U.S. ambassador to Japan. If they can do this to me, they can do it to you. They can do it to the American people. If they're so bold to think that they could get away with doing this, having the executive branch law enforcement agency reach over into the legislative branch and come after sitting senators that have oversight responsibilities for them, It is just beyond the pale, and it makes you ask yourself, what else have they gotten away with? If they're that bold, what else did they try to do? We're just getting to the tip of the iceberg here with this revelation, and we need to get to the bottom of it as quickly as possible. I want to see people prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, not only because I want to do that to dissuade others from doing this in the future, But I think it's critical, Jordan, to restore confidence in institutions like the FBI. The rank and file of the FBI, look at what they're doing in Memphis. They're doing yeoman's work. But you have leadership that is corrupt like this, like this Jack Smith they brought in, Merrick Garland, who supported it, Christopher Wray. I mean, you have to ask yourself about Christopher Wray, Jordan. If he did know, clearly an abuse of power. If he didn't know, it's a dereliction of duty. This is rotten to the core. And now we've got eight United States senators that are on top of this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and I mean, you look at the constitutional violations, one, specific protections that do exist just for those federally elected officials like you, Article 1, Section 6, the Speech and Debate Clause, also the Fourth Amendment, the fact that to get a grand jury warrant, they would have to say that this was somehow connected to a criminal act, that these phone calls would somehow help them. determine whether a probable cause exists that other crimes were committed i mean all of this just reeks and of course they go into likely a grand jury in washington dc and and they just get rubber stamps to uh to track your phones and like you said senator hagerty i i can't believe this is the end of this i i really believe this is just the beginning
SPEAKER 04 :
You're exactly right, Jordan. I tell you, as you ran through the constitutional implications, it just made me thankful that I have a friend like you that is such a great constitutional scholar. I know where to go for help on this, and we're going to need a lot of help to get to the bottom of the constitutional violations and the criminal activity. If you think about where this could lead, this is something that's going to have to be blown wide open. And again, we've got to do this for the sake of confidence in the institutions like the FBI. But we've also got to make certain that this type of thing never happens again. And I'll just reiterate some of the things that the Biden FBI has done to the American public. And when you take all this into perspective, you've got to ask yourself, you know, what has happened? What has gone wrong when the FBI can basically sick their agents on parents who go to school board meetings and actually speak out about their concerns about graphic material that's being presented? Or even worse, you know, school officials that are, quote, transitioning their children without letting the parents know. They complain about this, they get surveilled. Do you think what they did right in Tennessee, in my home state, your home state, The pro-life individuals that were in the vicinity of an abortion clinic, they were prosecuted. They were as peaceful of protesters as you could imagine, prosecuted. If you think about the raid on Mar-a-Lago, that was an absolute disgrace. Democrats didn't blink an eye. They even targeted Catholics in America for the way they worship and their beliefs. It just goes on and on, and you've got to ask yourself, where does it stop? But if they were bold enough to come after me, again, a sitting senator, a former U.S. ambassador to Japan, they're bold enough to come after me, they're bold enough to come after seven of my Senate colleagues here and a congressman, then who knows what they've done. And we're going to have to get as deep into this as we personally can and hold these people accountable.
SPEAKER 09 :
Senator, we also know that one, the Attorney General this morning was being questioned by your colleagues in the Judiciary Committee that were asking questions much about this. But I know this just came out last night. There's a lot of people still processing it, including we here at the ACLJ. It appears that the FBI and the Department of Justice currently are taking this seriously and looking at steps to remedy this and see what potential punishments can come from this as well. But I was curious if you and your colleagues have discussed about anything on the oversight side of the Senate in looking into this as well to hold this accountable and get more information out to the American people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, we just got the news last night. We huddled afterwards. I spoke with Chuck Grassley, who's the chairman of the Oversight Committee. He's running the oversight on this. Ron Johnson has been working with him, told him that I'm there with him every step of the way from this point forward. I have no idea that this type of abuse was occurring at this level. I think we all knew. I just went through the litany of examples that the FBI has run amok, that the Biden administration completely weaponized law enforcement here. But they were willing to go to this extent. makes me think that this is something that is much, much larger than we ever imagined in the first place. But if you go back to the basics, this started under Barack Obama. You may recall, I was one of President Trump's finance chairman when he was a candidate back in 2016. I moved into Trump Tower the day after the election to help him with the transition. I was surveilled then by the FBI under this false Russia hoax operation. And that happened from that was the Obama administration and Comey. And then you roll forward under the Biden administration. It just got 10 times worse with with all of the things that they did to basically try to take out Joe Biden's number one political opponent. That was Donald Trump. They weaponized the legal system across America. They brought charges that were absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. They cost people their jobs. They cost people their livelihoods and careers. They did it to Michael Flynn. They did it, you know, in the previous administration and in the first Trump 45 term, Michael's office was three doors down from me in Trump Tower when we were doing the transition. And, you know, they surveilled him and they took him out, threatening to break him financially, going after his son. You think about what they did to Peter Navarro. Peter, you know, basically just invoked executive privilege and they decided that they're going to jail him. They did. Peter is a tough guy. He's a great guy. He survived it, but they put him in jail for months. Now, Peter's back, and I think he's going to be very interested in getting to the bottom of this as well. This weaponization is damaging our nation. The Democrats, again, accuse us, accuse Republicans and accuse Donald Trump of being a threat to democracy. They're simply projecting exactly what they are doing and what they have been doing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Senator Haggerty, I know that this is just the beginning when it comes to investigating this matter. I remember the 2016 issue. And again, at that point in time, you were working as a private citizen to assist the transition, knowing that your phone were being tapped. And then you go, you know, flash forward again, you've been ambassador, then you become a Phone gets tapped again by the same law enforcement division that we all believe is overly politicized. So there's a lot more here. This is just the one and a half pages that we've gotten so far. But I do want to ask you before you go, because I know our audience cares about this, the Schumer shutdown talks and negotiations, where do you see things stand as of today?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, right now I think Schumer is evaluating his own political status in New York State. At its very core, this is raw politics in action. If you were to poll today, and we have, if you poll New York State, AOC defeats Chuck Schumer in a Democrat primary. He can't have that. And he won't give AOC the talking point that he, quote, took a knee to Trump, that he caved to Trump. So he's showing that he can fight. He doesn't know what he's fighting for. They can't articulate that. This $1.5 trillion ransom to keep the government open for a few weeks is just absolutely preposterous. But he's going on TV, showing his spite, and I think this really gets down to his political survival. This is Chuck Schumer proving his political manhood in New York State, and he's willing to do it at the cost of $400 million per day to the U.S. taxpayers who are already in single-digit billions of dollars while he's doing his political stunt. Americans suffer. And the longer this goes, the suffering is going to get much, much worse.
SPEAKER 07 :
Senator Haggard, we so appreciate you spending the time with us to talk about one of this news that just broke last night that involves you directly, the tapping of your phone during this Jack Smith investigation, and seven of your Senate colleagues and other House members, as well as the shutdown. We will stay on this. ACLJ is going to get on this too. Senator, we appreciate you joining us.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you so much, Stuart, and always good to be with you.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, folks, again, that's why we try to... It's a different kind of broadcast. It's a different kind of show and analysis you're getting here because these are people we work with regularly. So when times are, you know, when we're talking kind of normal, if there is normal Washington, D.C. policy and issues, and then when times are more than bizarre, when our Constitution has been trampled on, and they can lead a charge... us alongside them and the ACLJ to protect, as Senator Hagerty said, all of us. All of us. And we've got to do that. Because if it's so easy to get this information on a U.S. Senator, how easy is it to get the information on a private citizen? Support the work of the ACLJ. We need your financial contributions. To do this work, there are costs. And you know that if we've represented you before or one of your friends before, there's no cost to them. And we do that because of your financial support of the ACLJ. If you can, become a monthly donor at champion at aclj.org. Donate today.
SPEAKER 09 :
Welcome back to Seculo, final segment of the broadcast. If you want to talk to us on air, 1-800-684-3110. We've got an ACLJ champion we'll be getting to in just a moment. But a couple updates that I want to bring to you before we get into this. One, if you were watching and saw that video in the break, if you're watching on YouTube or Rumble or Salem News Channel or any of those places, we talked about a case that we talked about yesterday, which was where a student in Minnesota wanted to have a Bible club at her school, ninth grader, and the administration uh told her effectively you can have this club here but you have to rent the facility because we think you're a church not a student club if you're the boy scouts or the 4-h club any other of the clubs that we have here they don't have to pay but you do classic viewpoint discrimination only because you're a christian we're charging you money uh the school got back to the ACLJ today, as was their deadline to avoid a federal lawsuit. And they have sent a letter stating that the student can now have the classroom for free for her Bible study, as is constitutional, since they allow clubs at the school. So a good victory for this student. Sometimes you want to have to get in a federal court and go after these schools, but I'm happy for the student that this resolution that she will be able to have her Bible study and not have to go through that litigation process.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's also a great example of why you contact the ACLJ because oftentimes you may think, you know what? I don't like what was done to me here. It feels wrong. It feels like it was because I'm a Christian or because of my religious views or because of my political views. But it's not that big of a deal. We can move along with life. And you realize that that kind of thinking prevents then how many students there from potentially – joining that Bible club? How many lives could be changed? And if the school is going to be open to other clubs, then they have to be open to that Bible club. And the school comes back with, okay, okay, fine. But just like when a church maybe uses our facilities on the weekends, if we allow that at our school or some other group, we're going to charge you building use. cost because we think this is a church now this was sponsored by a student like every club during the club times that were posted on campus like the school had and it took us just reminding them about the actual law So you didn't have to go to federal court. You didn't have to take those steps. We could have, we're always ready to, but I just want to underscore why it's important if you think that is happening to you to go to aclj.org slash help and contact us and let our attorneys review it. Let them contact you back if they think they need more information. on that or if you have heard about it from a friend think it's happened to them have them contact us directly at aclj.org slash help nothing is too small and none of these rights should be trampled because if you allow them to continually be trampled These rights, they don't exist. They stop to exist. They cease existing because one school district says, oh, we could do it this way. Another school district says we could do it this way. And the people at those school districts think that's the norm. Well, that's how they're going to treat us as religious groups. So we'll put the money together if we think it's that important. No. No, that's not how the law works. And once they read our interpretation of clearly what the law is and Supreme Court precedent on top of that... Which the ACLJ won those cases, were the ones that argued and won at the Supreme Court. Quickly... Within less than 24 hours of talking about it on this show yesterday, school district writes, okay, never mind. Nothing to see here. You can have your club just like everyone else. That is why you contact us. It's a great example of why you contact the ACLJ. It doesn't always have to be these huge kind of issues that you're going to read about on the front page, eight senators phone tapped. We're going to be involved in that. You can hear from Senator Haggerty. That's wonderful and great. But how the ACLJ started and our core work is representing you. And it's representing the students. It's representing your students. Maybe it's one of your kids who has got these situations. And that is where, again, the majority of the resources go at the ACLJ is to representing those who would not usually go and hire attorneys to fight this out for them. They can go to the ACLJ and have it... handled by experts in the constitution experts in religious liberty experts in free speech experts in what can happen in public schools at no cost to them thank you thankfully because of all of our donors All those of you who donate to ACLJ.org. You might be a person who donates once a year. That's great. You might be one of those ACLJ champions or you're thinking about becoming an ACLJ champion. Someone who says, you know what? I can give $50 a month. I can give $100 a month to the ACLJ annually and I can just sign up and click the button and I don't have to think about it again and I know my support is going to the ACLJ. We encourage you to do that right now and think about that Bible study. Don't just think about the U.S. Senator. Think about that Bible study. as the reason why and the lives that could be impacted because ACLJ attorneys were there to help and that family who contacted us and that student, they didn't have to worry about how much it would cost in legal fees.
SPEAKER 09 :
And Jordan, I think to that point as well, when you listen to what Senator Hagerty told us in the last segment, it wasn't just the u.s senators the fbi was going after they were going after parents at school board meetings they were going after catholic churches sending spies into catholic churches they were doing all these things now if you're looking at records of a phone data request and it's not the names of u.s senators It's just random people. Most time, even if you're doing a review, you're not going to take the time to figure out who these random names are. The fact that it was U.S. senators opens up. Now, what could have else happened? And that's why we have to keep fighting. But I think we should go to this call. Ruth, who's a champion, she's calling on line one from Texas. Ruth, you're on Sekulow.
SPEAKER 02 :
I would recommend that everybody that's convicted forfeits all their money, all their wealth, and pays back the American taxpayer payers. and pay back the people they've taken money from.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, you mean the $50 million that Jack Smith just flushed down the toilet and then he ran and didn't even wait to get fired by the Trump administration but ran away and everything got shut down. Listen, that that's you know it's amazing how quickly uh these bad investigators can go through 50 million dollars we've i think with the muller team was this someone in the 30s or 40s it was you know inflation goes up from there and that led to what nothing led to honestly a report that the muller himself could not even uh explain to the congress when he was up before he had to have an assistant to help him explain it because it was so convoluted and it came down to no conclusions And yet they still issue their reports and think that they're so important. But the truth is, it'd be easy. and with senators like Haggard and others that we work with and with the Trump administration to find $50 million real quick in the budget to cut. That's right. I mean, you know what? We could, we could, and they're already doing that. So let you know, I think we have to encourage that work too. Instead of, if you want to go the other way, the Schumer way of I'm so liberal, so I'm going to shut down the government. If you don't add a trillion dollars of spending, even though Republicans control the house and white house.
SPEAKER 09 :
And Jordan, just to close with this as well, Kash Patel put out on X that as a result of our latest disclosure about the baseless monitoring of members of Congress by the prior leadership team of the FBI, we have already taken the following actions. We terminated employees. we abolished the weaponized CR-15 squad. That was a squad within the Washington field office focused on public corruption that they used for Arctic Frost. And we initiated an ongoing investigation with more accountability measures ahead. Now that would be a personnel investigation or a internal investigation, not the criminal investigation that could be taking place at the DOJ that Pam Bondi was not answering questions about appropriately. But once again, Folks, this also happened September of 2023. So a lot of the talk about the Russiagate stuff that was under tight deadlines for statute of limitations. That wouldn't exist here. This was just two years ago.
SPEAKER 07 :
No. In fact, I mean, and it's just coming to light. Right. And it's just coming to light to those who were affected. We know that action has been taken by the FBI. I think now that Kash Patel has put that information out, it allows those members of Congress to kind of dig deeper into... What changes are being made? Maybe some of that needs to be behind closed doors. Some of that can be done publicly. But this can't be the norm now or in the future. Support the work of the ACLJ. Donate today. ACLJ.org.
Join Bill Gundersen and Barry Kite as they explore the financial market's current state and emerging trends in this edition of the Best Stocks Now show. With major indexes hitting highs and gold surpassing $4,000 for the first time, listeners gain insights into the precarious speculative phase of the market. As asset classes surge and government shutdowns are overlooked, the experts analyze potential impacts on investors. Highlighting the influence of prominent financial figures like Paul Tudor Jones and Ken Griffin, the episode draws comparisons to past market bubbles and considers contemporary tools and investment strategies that address modern complexities. The dialogue extends to geopolitical dynamics, assessing risks associated with global economic shifts, particularly with China's growing influence and Taiwan's strategic semiconductor industry. Whether you're a seasoned investor or new to the financial world, this episode offers valuable perspectives on preparing for potential market shifts and leveraging informed decision-making in investment portfolios.
SPEAKER 01 :
He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome to the Tuesday, October 7th edition of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management, a nationwide fee-based only registered investment advisory firm. I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. And we have a mixed open so far to the market, but we have two records being set here today, actually three records. We have number one, we have the NASDAQ hitting a new all-time high. It's up 26 points right now. AMD is pushing it higher. AMD is up 6.6% again today. The NASDAQ is now 22,967, just a shade away from 23,000. The S&P is also hitting a new all-time high today. It's up three points today. The 6,743, the Dow is the only major index not hitting a new high. It's down 26 points to 46,668. Gold is topping $4,000 per ounce for the first time in its history. And gold is up 65 basis points to $4,002 per ounce. Bitcoin is down a little bit today. Bitcoin is down $1,500 to $123.549. And that all-important 10-year is down one basis point to $4.16 today. So welcome to today's Best Docs Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunnarsson, President Of Gundersen Capital Management, and I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst and certified financial planner. New highs across the board yesterday. In lots of asset classes. In lots of asset classes. We're in a very speculative phase of the market right now. You have to be aware of that. Because the last time we were in a speculative phase like this was the sugar high of 2021. And I saw today Ken Griffin, who is one of the biggest hedge fund managers around Citadel Funds, which moved out of New York and is down in Miami now. He used the same expression I used, sugar high. Sugar high, yeah. So, hey, you know what? How long will the sugar high? That's all I know is when the sugar high wears off, look out below because we're in some pretty rarefied air right now. The only thing that, you know, the good thing going for us is the Fed is in an easing cycle and not a tightening cycle like it was in the sugar high of 2021. So anyways, that's where we sit right now. And of course, crypto. Bitcoin hit a new high yesterday to 125,317. And yesterday, a lot of sugar was infused into the market with the AMD deal, which Wedbush is calling a game changer. Okay. AMD jumps on a deal with OpenAI. And you also had OpenAI had their investor day yesterday. And, I mean, I think what I read is investors will come away from that giddy. about all of the irons in the fire that private company OpenAI has right now. We'll talk about that here in a minute. And, of course, we still have the government shutdown. No one seems to notice. Not if the market's hitting new highs. Who cares? Why don't you guys just take the rest of the year off? It seems to be what the market is saying. But... Something has to happen because I know this, on October the 15th, eight days from now, guess who gets their paychecks, Barry? Our military, you know, members of our military. And if they don't get those paychecks... That's not going to look good for the Democrats or the Republicans. So I would guess... Yeah, that doesn't look good for America.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sorry.
SPEAKER 07 :
They're the ones that keep us America.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sorry, your paycheck bounced. Yeah, so I think they're going to get something done. The key sticking point right now is the Democrats are opposed to the Republicans' plans not to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits, which basically the government is subsidizing big time, you know, the lower end of the spectrum, and the Affordable Care Act, which increases everybody else's premiums big time. And the Republicans want to scale that back. If that were to happen... And if they did not extend the affordable care tax credits for 2026, many individuals who obtain their health coverage through state insurance exchanges are likely to face drastically higher premiums without the subsidies. In other words, they'd have to pay what we're paying, right, what the regular guy is paying for his premiums. which, you know, obviously we're paying and subsidizing a lot of those people down in that category. Whether you're for or against that, we're paying, regular people are paying a much higher premium than the ones that are getting their health coverage through the state insurance exchanges. So that is the sticking point, and Trump is willing to talk about on that point. And once again, you know, you have this October 15th hard deadline where you're going to have payroll due to all of our military around the world. So hopefully something can get done, hopefully a compromise. And, you know, I mean, the Democrats are dug in, their heels are dug in on that issue. The Republicans are dug in on their side of the issue, and Trump's willing to mediate and figure out something in the middle that will make each side happy. That relentless rally in gold is just incredible. It scaled another record high on Tuesday. We're hitting 4,002. I can remember not that long ago, Barry, it was stuck at $1,800 to $1,900 for the longest period of time. I have a little physical gold. Most of mine was bought in the $1,800 to $1,900 range. So, you know, you've got a double in your gold holdings. It just seems like all asset classes are very much inflated right now. Goldman is lifting their 2026 target to $4,900. I don't know how you predict. It's like predicting where Bitcoin will go. But that is what Goldman is saying, $4,900. Whether it's market uncertainty, whether it's just the sugar high, there's this move to gold like it's the safest haven out there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and it's funny because, I mean, For five years, if you look at the 10-year chart, for essentially five years, like you said, from basically part of 2015 all the way to really 2020, July of 2020, it was literally in the 1,000 to 2,000 range. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER 06 :
So anyways, you know, look, a lot of people are feeling pretty good these days with their Bitcoin holdings, with their AI holdings, with their rare earth holdings, with their nuclear, with their quantum computing holdings, their gold, you name it. And there's a lot of bubbles that have formed all over the markets right now. Citadel's Ken Griffin, who's a pretty smart guy. a very smart guy, warned that investors are starting to consider gold as a safer asset than the dollar, calling the trend really concerning. He says we're seeing substantial asset inflation away from the dollar as people look to de-dollarize or de-risk their portfolios against U.S. sovereign risk, which is all the debt that we have. Griffin said this in a Monday interview with Bloomberg. I'm going to go find that interview and listen to it. That would be very interesting. Gold is surpassing the $4,000 level for the first time in its history today. Helped by safe haven demand. Safe haven demand. A drop in the yen. uncertainty from the ongoing federal government shutdown, well, that's a temporary thing, expectations of potential rate cuts, and broader concerns about inflation and dollar weakness. This year, investors have flocked to gold. Silver is almost at a new high. It's $47 and change per ounce. It's just like 25 cents away from its all-time high. And, of course, they're flocking to Bitcoin and what's been dubbed the debasement trade. The debasement trade. I use the same language in the U.S. economy right now. I couldn't agree more. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Docs Now show. Two other experts weighing in here that I pay attention to myself. Of course, we had Warren Buffett yesterday saying that his valuation gauge hit an all-time high. where the market cap of the market is now two times the annual GDP, gross domestic product of the entire country. And that is the highest that that gauge has ever hit. Paul Tudor Jones is another one that I give a lot of credence to, Barry. He says it feels like 1999. I said the same thing in my newsletter on Friday. Because that's all you've got to do is look at the valuation measures that are in the market today. And the first place you look is the 2021 sugar high. from all the stimulus in the market, but the Fed really brought that party to an end with the 475 basis point hikes. Then before that, you go back to the year 2000, and I'm grateful for that experience to have been there in the year 2000. If you weren't there, I can tell you what happened. The NASDAQ doubled. between October 1999 and March of 2000. Six months. And Barry, I remember my ultra growth portfolio in the last 90 days of 1999 was up 142% in one quarter. And I still remember that Iomega was one of the biggest stocks of all time. It was a disruptive technology at the time. You could use those iOmega memory, big clunky things that sat on your desk as a boat anchor now. I mean, they're totally useless. But it was a huge, huge breakthrough. And the NASDAQ doubled in six months. So he says, when he compares today with then, he says, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably not a chicken. And he says that current market conditions feel like it's 1999. According to Paul Tudor Jones, Tudor Investment Corporation founder and CIO, during a CNBC interview, Tudor Jones said that while the comparison to the dot-com bubble period wasn't made lightly, All the ingredients are in place for a similar market environment. I'm not saying this is going to happen again, but we're setting ourselves up. In March of 2000, the NASDAQ topped at $5,300. It then went down 79%. The index, okay, so that means individual stocks within the index, many went to zero, or pennies, they became penny stocks. But there was a difference back then. We didn't have the profit margins that we have now. We didn't have the sales growth that we have now. We didn't have the products that we have now. But the valuations are the same. The valuations, price to cash flow, price to sales to me is especially concerning. We're hitting an all-time high in price to sales ratio. I think we're at 5.4 right now, and I think we only got as high. We never even got close to 5 back then. And, yes, you could say sales are different now and things are different today. But I'm just telling you, I'm reading what Paul Tudor Jones is saying. He said investors should position themselves as if it's October 1999. Well, I can tell you in October 1999, that was a time to be all in, okay, because the market doubled from there. Now, is the NASDAQ going to go to 4,600 from here? It's currently at 2,300. Well, that's what happened from October 1999 to March. But it was after that when it went down some 79%. He added that unlike, however, 1999 when the Federal Reserve was implementing rate hikes, today's market is anticipating rate cuts. So it's almost as if he's saying that we're going to see this bubble expand more like it did in 1999. And it continues to expand, right, on a daily basis. But in 1999 and 2000, here's another huge difference. We had a budget surplus in the U.S. And what do we have now? How much in debt are we? $33 trillion? $33 something.
SPEAKER 07 :
I go with 30-something now.
SPEAKER 06 :
To me, there's the big differentiator between then and now, which is much worse. And I think that's why you're seeing this massive move into gold. Comparing leverage metrics between now and 1999, Jones notes that current levels might actually be higher than those preceding the dot-com bubble when factoring in leveraged ETFs, which we have now. alongside traditional margin debt. So the debt is extremely high. And what are they saying?
SPEAKER 07 :
And the bets are higher. That's the thing. Yes, they're leveraged. Think about a two-times NVIDIA ETF, for example. Most investors couldn't have even purchased that. Most of them couldn't even have margined and bought NVIDIA 15, 20 years ago. The difference is we can all go on right now with no margin agreement. and buy a two-times ETF single stock. You were talking about single stock ETFs yesterday.
SPEAKER 06 :
Those things have really grown. I can't believe this other one. Of course, we are familiar with GraniteShares, which really started the whole thing. But now there's an even bigger one that has a lot of stocks in it that are leveraged. And I'm going to have to add them to the app and create my own sector in the app of leveraged single-stock ETFs, which sounds like an oxymoron. It completely goes against the whole concept of ETFs to begin with, where you don't have single-stock risk. No, you're not taking single stock risk. You're taking double stock single stock risk and triple in some cases. All right. And here's where their warning to not touch with a 10-foot pole is debt. And I could not agree more. Now, I don't have a problem with single individual bonds investment grade on good companies. But this private debt that they're pawning on Wall Street, which I've been warning about, that's the hottest alternative asset class out there. That and private companies, private equity companies. Man, private debt, I wouldn't touch that with a 10th, oh my gosh, it's radioactive. But, you know, they're packaging it on Wall Street and putting a nice label on it and raising money and people are pouring money into it to get a piece of private debt. Ray Dalio, who just spoke this morning, he said this is reminiscent of the mid-70s when he's recommending a 15% exposure to gold and avoiding these debt instruments, which would include bond funds and, in my mind, private debt. Oh, that's just toxic. Anyways, Ray Dalio agreeing with what I've been saying. We'll be right back. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services... Call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show.
SPEAKER 05 :
And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Docs Now show. Well, I can say one thing, Barry.
SPEAKER 06 :
I didn't have the tools available to me back in the year 2000 that we have now. Because, you know, a lot of those individual stocks that are now represent an ETF and they're leveraged, they have an inverse version of them also. And, you know, there's a lot of – I didn't realize that a lot of the little speculative stocks now are caught up in that whole leveraged ETF stuff. It's not just – You know, it's not just the great big stocks like Tesla and AMD, etc. Of course, AMDL was up almost 50% yesterday because it's double AMD to the upside. But they're getting down with those things into the smaller stocks, speculative type stocks, which could be very interesting. So I have so many more tools at my fingertips today, if needed. It's just nice to know they're there. Emergency preparedness, we call it. Just in case, you know, you could just see it. That was going to happen back in the year 2000 that we were way, way too high. But we didn't have the tools. That's all you had back then was cash.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I mean, even in 08-09, those inverse ETFs, they were around, and you've talked about them. But the problem is with those, they weren't designed to be held even overnight. It was like, you know, if you held them overnight, then they would quit tracking the index appropriately. And so, you know, there's certainly different market tools.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now they're much more sophisticated, and they do track. And there's a plethora of them available in order to hedge a portfolio. And I'm just thinking. When debt starts to blow up, especially that private debt and everything, there's inverse against junk bonds, high yield. HYG, I think, is that one. That could come in very handy at some point in time. Now, when the Fed went on... I still like SARC. I think SARC is almost, you know, look, it's going to... She's going to blow up at some point in time. She's blown up every single time in the past. Why not this time? Because she's even more out there on the frontier than ever. The only thing she has going for her is an easing rate cycle. Okay, speaking of bubbles, how about Trilogy Metals today? This is the latest one, TMQ. TMQ is a rare earth stock that is up 217%. It's a triple. Yes, it is. This is a mining company in Alaska. They wanted to build the road up there to it. to extract the rare earth that they thought was there, and the Biden administration shut it down. He blocked the Ambler Road project in Alaska. Well, Trump administration reversed a Biden block and announced a $35 million investment to support mining exploration, making the U.S. government a 10% shareholder. with warrants for an additional 7.5% stake. The 211 mile Ambler Road will improve access to copper, cobalt, Gallium, germanium, and other minerals. And of course, gallium and germanium are both rare earth minerals. I'm familiar with cobalt. As an oil painting artist, we use cobalt blue, which is a beautiful, oh, just a beautiful blue. to mix with a little white to make sky color. We've got to add a little orange to bring it down to make it look real. That neutralizes the blue a little bit. The Biden administration had rejected the project, citing environmental concerns. So anyways, Trilogy Metal, TMQ, the stock of the day. It seems like there's one every day. Okay, now let's go back. You said bubble. I was about to pull up Colgate Palmolive over here. Yes, exactly. You know, Bubblicious? Do they make Bubblicious chewing gum?
SPEAKER 07 :
I think they make Dawn, you know, Palmolive dish soap.
SPEAKER 06 :
A lot of bubbles in that. Yeah. There's more bubbles today than in dish soap. AMD rating, quant still sees by, but SA analysts are on hold. Well, the one that holds more weight than all of them to me, Jefferies, upgrades AMD and raises their target price to $300 from $170. Wow. Okay, so AMD today is 214. It's up another 5%. And the Jeffries analyst wakes up, or yesterday after he sees the deal, says, hey, we've got our target price at 170. It's 214. We better revisit it. He saw enough there. In potential earnings, AMD is looking for $6 per share in earnings next year from 385 this year. And when he did the math, I have not upgraded my target price yet. I've got to go in there today. and check where my growth rate is because it takes a while for the consensus growth rate to catch up. So I have to overwrite those consensus growth rates from time to time. Jefferies obviously did that, and they come up with 300. If that's the case, you know, at 215, it's still a pretty good buy. according to jeffries okay uh and i saw another one i had to be wedbush saying that you know what this this is a game changer uh this deal that they made with open ai which is all the buzz in uh silicon valley these days barry we should have went to their investor meeting yesterday It's like the gospel of artificial intelligence there in that Silicon Valley. They're basically worshiping NVIDIA chips and chat GPT and getting all their answers from it. So that's OpenAI's Developer Day. Wow's Wall Street with partnerships and more. Bank of America analyst Justin Post said the revelation that chat GTP now has 800 million weekly users, up from 700 million in August and 400 million in February, is a sign, a lot of religious lingo being thrown around here, that OpenAI is expanding its ecosystem at a rapid clip. Now having said that, I'll just give you an interesting interview to listen to. You know, it was the Tucker Carlson interview with Besant, who's now the commissioner of the IRS, although he just hired a CEO over the IRS. Tucker Carlson had that interview when the S&P was at 4,800. And to me, it was like an aha moment. I realized what they were doing, and I said, this is going to work. And you can't argue that it's not working. every asset class is hitting an all-time high since then and uh... our trade deficit is dropping okay i listen to another interview uh... tucker carlson had a guy on i don't remember his name he's kind of an ordinary guy really is a filmmaker But he was making a film on the occult and rock and roll music when he realized that the Silicon Valley and this OpenAI has the same kind of cult-like relationship. So very interesting interview. Whether you believe in it or not, it's something to weigh in your mind. But he's calling OpenAI the Antichrist. So anyways, if you get a chance, listen to Tucker Carlson's interview. What's his name, Greg? Conrad Flynn, that's it. And he's making a movie called The Flynn Something. But I just found that interview, it's about an hour and a half long. I just found it to be kind of jaw-dropping, really. So anyways, OpenAI. Of course, you know, Sam Altman is the leader of OpenAI, which is going to probably come public at a trillion dollars at some point in time. It's just unbelievable. And the money flowing into Bitcoin ETFs these days, Barry, the second highest inflows since their launch amid crypto rally.
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I saw something where they've got the most options, so the most open interest options on the call side, you know, I think ever in terms of for Bitcoin. And I think, you know, kind of going around, I don't know, 140 grand, 147 grand in terms of the call prices, so. Pretty interesting just in terms of the amount of optimism and the amount of money getting put to work there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Unbelievable. And, of course, it has to come from other asset classes like CDs in the bank and even bonds and even stocks. It's being sucked up by crypto. And let's not forget the energy that all of this needs to stay alive. We've got to feed the beast, I guess. We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Stocks Now show. Amcor soars 12% after increasing Arizona investment plan to $7 billion. breaks ground at a new chip campus. Okay, I guess you could say that there's a lot of stuff being built in the U.S. here these days. And a lot in Arizona.
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I was looking at, saw some map of different states that are in, you know, contraction economically and ones that are in expansion or ones that are just kind of fledgling along. And Arizona was one of the ones that was Certainly in expansion mode and building tons of data centers and other things.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, and don't forget we're getting Rolls-Royce here in Aiken, South Carolina. Yeah, we were in expansion. Yes, and I'll tell you one other thing about this foundry, which Amcor is a chip company. The Trump administration asked Taiwan Semiconductor, if they would build half of their chips here in the U.S. And they flatly said, no thanks. I mean, they're making their chips in Taiwan.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, they also need it. So, I mean, to me, you know, they're using that as a carrot for, you know, hopefully some protection for the rest of the world to join them in case China does invade because, hey, you've got to help me. We need these chips, right?
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Well, and that's my thought here. You know, I'm a guy that absorbs a lot. I listen to a lot, and I'm like a sponge. I also listened to an interview with – Ah, let's see. Oh, I got it. I'll pull it up. The guy who they took over for Rush Limbaugh. Yeah, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Okay, Buck Sexton went to Taiwan. He just got back from Taiwan. And he interviewed the president of Taiwan. It's on YouTube. It's about 16 minutes. Definitely, if you get a chance, listen to that. Because he, talking about China... and how they are increasing exponentially their dominance, not just around Taiwan, but they've been buzzing Japan and that whole Southeast Asia area. They now have the biggest Navy in the world. And Buck Sexton asked the president, if you could tell Mr. Trump one thing, he said, I'd tell Mr. Trump that China, you better be careful. You better be aware of what they are up to over there and how. Big, they are big. You know, we sound like we're talking all negative here today. I'm just a guy that listens and tells you what I've heard, lets you digest it, lets you mull it over yourself. But these things are happening. In the world, and we really don't get it. If you're watching the major news channels and whatnot, you got to dig a little bit deeper than just the headlines. But yeah, I mean, he's pretty worried about Taiwan. It didn't sound like anything was imminent. But just think what an invasion of Taiwan by China would do to the global economy and, you know, to technology. When we couldn't get semiconductors during COVID, remember that? And they couldn't build cars. These were low-end semiconductors. Couldn't get baby formula. I mean, come on.
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I mean, let alone chips.
SPEAKER 06 :
So anyways, look, I think part of risk management is knowledge. And the more knowledge that you can soak up and absorb and mull through your brain, not through an NVIDIA Blackwell chip, but through a human brain. And they're saying, you know, that's the one thing that AI cannot mimic, which is human emotion. And human, I guess you would say, intuition. It can't mimic that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, or even human irrationality, right? Yes. We always hear about in finance, right, it was the efficient market hypothesis, right? All investors are rational.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, one thing we know is that they're all not rational. No, and the markets are not efficient. And, you know, some areas of the market are more inefficient, right? than others so yeah and it's everything out there in the market is known in the price of the stock okay it wasn't known about amd was it it was up 25 and one day yesterday all of a sudden there was a repricing of amd so anyways uh you know that's all it's an interesting world that we live in And I think the more informed we are, the better the choices and decisions that we can make.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, just the amount of news sources that you view when you wake up in the morning, right? You're not just taking it from one fire hose, right? You're equal opportunity across the globe to see what's going on.
SPEAKER 06 :
Several of the talk shows, the interviews, YouTube are all sources that are deeper. I'm not a big ex-Twitter guy myself, but I do know that Buck Sexton's interview, he sounds like a sharp guy. The president of Taiwan is a very, very intelligent man. And Sexton's interview is on X, if you want to listen to it. And, of course, the late Charlie Kirk. I used to listen to him, too, a lot. But Tucker Carlson, his interview with this Flynn guy, And AI, it is absolutely riveting. And it's an hour and a half. It's definitely worth the time. I use TuneIn Radio. TuneIn Radio has all the talk shows out there. And I could choose any one that I want. I'll listen to several in a day. My wife will listen to a couple that I don't. She has her favorites. One of them is not Best Docs Now, by the way. She says, I hear enough of you at the dinner table and all around the house and everything like that. She has other favorite talk shows. Anyways, we're out of time. I've got to quit talking. This is becoming a talk show. But I think this is really important, really, really vital. Valuation, bubbles, AI, and everything that's going on in the world, China, etc. Very important knowledge to mull over in your brain at this time in our history. Well, if you'd like to set up an appointment with us, we don't stay the course with the 60-40 asset allocation, nor do we have one to begin with. We take into account things that happen in the world besides you becoming one year older and needing 1% more in bond funds and 1% less in stock funds. I think that's too simplistic of a way to invest. To make an appointment with us, 855-611-BEST to get a four-week trial through our newsletter at GundersenCapital.com, GundersenCapital.com. Have a great day, everybody, and stay informed.
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Join Angie Austin and Jim Stovall as they embark on an extraordinary journey into the breathtaking beauty of the Rocky Mountains. Exploring the intriguing behaviors of elk during the rut, Angie shares her captivating experiences of witnessing nature's wonder. Amidst laughter and astonishment, even the simplest encounters with wildlife turn into memorable adventures. Meanwhile, Angie delves into Jim Stovall's Winner's Wisdom column, highlighting the value of patience and the necessity of embracing the process over results. Together, they unravel the profound insights of personal and professional growth, underscoring the importance of consistency and commitment.
Join Angie Austin and Jim Stovall as they embark on an extraordinary journey into the breathtaking beauty of the Rocky Mountains. Exploring the intriguing behaviors of elk during the rut, Angie shares her captivating experiences of witnessing nature's wonder. Amidst laughter and astonishment, even the simplest encounters with wildlife turn into memorable adventures. Meanwhile, Angie delves into Jim Stovall's Winner's Wisdom column, highlighting the value of patience and the necessity of embracing the process over results. Together, they unravel the profound insights of personal and professional growth, underscoring the importance of consistency and commitment.
Join Angie Austin and her guests in this episode of The Good News, where they delve into the wonders of the Rocky Mountains and life-changing experiences. Angie shares her adventurous elk watching escapade, surprising her friends from L.A. with the majestic sightings of the Rocky Mountain wildlife. Alongside, Jim Stovall brings insightful life lessons, reminding us that growth often masquerades as struggle. Whether it's chasing dreams or tidying up personal spaces, the journey is where the real value lies.
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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin.
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Hello there, friend. Angie Austin and Jim Stovall with the good news. Hi, Jim. Well, hello to you. I know I'm in the break, you know. I know you received my elk photos from my elk extravaganza with my L.A. friends. And, Jim, I thought that my L.A. friends would be like, oh, you know, this is kind of neat. Like, I thought maybe I was the goofy one because I love going up during the rut and seeing just their behavior. I'd never seen, like, the main bull elk so close as I did this time. I was behind my car, but he rushed another elk because they have – satellite bulls that I'd never seen before hanging around the periphery of the harem. So they're like waiting to make their move, and there were three, so a total of four bulls. But then he kept having to expend all of his energy to chase off the other satellite bulls that kind of hang around the edge trying to steal a few ladies. It's kind of probably like high school or college, the frat party, you know, where they're kind of around the... Right, exactly.
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Exactly.
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But anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed that because my friends, I thought they'd just be like, oh, that's kind of cool. They were blown away coming from L.A. They've never seen the beauty of the Rocky Mountains, Estes Park in particular, and the history of the Stanley Hotel and how Stephen King stayed there and got his idea for The Shining to write that book and just – to see the elk up so close i mean we must have stood there for an hour watching this one particular group and then one of my friends was like got back in the car and was like falling asleep but the other two we could have stayed for hours watching them they're just the behavior and then you know they actually like roll in the mud and i don't want to get too graphic but let's just say they tinkle on themselves the males to give their scent off and i'm like wow that is an interesting um cologne you know tinker smell and mud mixed together to make them So they really can smell them from across the field.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I'm sure your friends, you don't get a lot of elk in L.A. You get probably some other wildlife we don't want to go into here, but they do not get elk in L.A. And it's just an amazing thing to experience. And after you sent that, I had one of our people look up You know, like how many, when, you know, they give birth to elk, what's the male-female ratio? Because I thought there's a lot of females for every male, and it's like four or five to one. You know, they give birth to more females than males. So I guess it makes sense, but truly an amazing experience.
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You know, I never thought about that because there are so many more females than the males. Yeah, that's interesting. So that's the way the birth works. And, you know, it makes total sense that the strong ones, you know, they're the ones that get the ladies. But what's interesting this year, there's one that's called Split Five. And they have one, I think they call them Ram. One's Pitchfork because he has one that sticks straight out like a pitchfork, his antlers out of his head. But there's one that's learned how to ram cars this year. And so they've named him something like that, you know, Rammer or something like that, because he's actually realized that, hey, when I chase after this car and put my antlers into the side of it, it drives away. It doesn't even try to challenge me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I'm sure they are. He's getting a lot of work for like a local body shop or something.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, yes, because I've seen him. I've only seen damage on two cars, but, you know, these are just the videos being caught of this. I've probably seen about him trying to go after about 10 cars.
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So, yeah, and then as they drive away, a couple of them, you could see one had holes, and then the other just had, like, scuff marks on it, or, you know, a few dents. But, oh, my gosh, it's so wild. But, anyway, I got a kick out of that. I'm glad you did, too. All right, so let's talk about your column this week. Your winner's wisdom column is a quote from a friend.
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Yeah, I have a friend or client, Paul Wheeler, who is in the real estate business here in my state. He is an amazing phenomenon. He didn't grow up around here. He moved here into Oklahoma. And for the last seven years in a row, he's been the number one realtor in Oklahoma. And that's really amazing because real estate is one of those things. businesses, it's really easy to compare and contrast habits, what works, what doesn't work, because everybody has the exact same inventory. Everybody has the exact same pricing. There's no advantages or disadvantages. Everybody's selling the same stuff. So you've got to get out and hustle, and you've got to create value for your customers. And Paul sent me this quote, sometimes growth doesn't feel like you're winning. And it's so true, because if you start a new exercise plan today, Tomorrow, you will have no results other than you are tired and sore. And, you know, you can do this and nothing happens for weeks. And you're tired and sore. And if you quit, nothing bad happens. So, you know, you've got to get married to the process and not the goal. You set the goal so that you can establish the process. But then the majority of your journey is just being involved with the process. You've got to say, did I do what I said I would do today? And, you know, it works in your personal life, works in your professional life. But so often we get caught up in the instant microwave success, and it just doesn't work like that. You know, when they start building a big skyscraper building, first thing that happens is they dig a giant hole, and it seems like nothing's happening for months and months and months. And if you look at someone driving a nail and you take photos, actually half the time that hammer is moving away from the nail. And I always crystallize in the middle of cleaning out some stuff. And so we actually have gone through this. You start cleaning out your garage and three or four hours later, it looks worse than it did when you started. And so, you know, but you've got to realize that's part of the process. Growth doesn't always feel like you're winning.
SPEAKER 06 :
that is so true and it's funny that you bring that up because there is this um i think it's marie kondo she teaches you how to i think that's her name uh how to get rid of clutter but as you take every single thing out of your closet which i've been trying to do it is such a mess because you have this giant pile of clothing like on your bed and baskets and backs baskets of this and that so my husband had come home and he's like oh my gosh, she's like trashed the place. I'm like, no, no, no, I'm cleaning, you know, but it looks so bad in the interim that I started sticking stuff back in there because I couldn't live with the interim, you know, like I had to take a break from the actual cleaning, getting better process because it was so much worse.
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Oh, it is, and we're going to now here at the office, we are going to sometime early next year close this office, then I'm going to work more from the university and from my home.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, really?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah, I'm looking forward to it, because I'm working half the time from home anyway, and then from the university. And this one is... Mostly, you know, a ton of old files I've gone through. And it's like a historical record of my business career. And we've saved a lot of it. And then the memorabilia, some of it's going to the Pop Culture Museum. Some goes to the Hall of Fame Museum. And then some goes to the Stovall Center. And, you know, so it's weird to... be a museum uh display of some description but yes you know because they started telling me all the people that are in the pop culture museum they said jim you're going to love it because we got will rogers you know and we got the roy clark and we got you know um all these people elvin bishop leon russell david gates and they just are going to and i think everybody's dead but me it just seems like a very weird place to be but uh but i appreciate it so uh Anyway, so we're going through that. But, you know, there are days you think, wow, are we making any progress here? But you've got to realize it's the process. You can only measure progress by the process. Did you do what you said you would do today? And, you know, you've got to break it all down to a day because most goals are so far out in the future, it's hard to keep motivated. It's hard to, you know, you keep doing this and that. You know, you start kindergarten, and if you do this for 12 years, you'll get a high school diploma. Not terribly motivating. It's just like, what did you do in school today? What did you learn? And, you know, just that whole let's break it down to one day at a time and see what we're doing.
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You know, I kind of have seen that with you with the movies because you come out with – you've got the over 60 books now. Do you even know where you are in the books, like in the numbers?
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Oh, 64 or 5. And I know that sounds weird to people. You don't even know how many you've written. But, you know, I've written some are in the pipeline. Some are being edited. Some are coming out. And then it's when they actually release them. I think it's probably 64 have actually been released. And I've got two that are finished that are kind of in the pipeline right now.
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You know, when we started talking, it was either in the upper 30s or around 40 when we first started doing our interviews. And I think we're around the 10-year mark or something about how long we've been talking every week. And when you tell me about your movies, it's unbelievable to me, especially since you had the strike, you know, with all the movie people. Like the one that you're working on now with Will Rogers, right? How long has that been like when it was option two, it's not quite done yet, right? Yeah.
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Oh, no, it's not quite done. We are six years into it, and a lot of that is just money and lawyers and bankers, and then you get the creative people involved, and it's just... You know, when I write a book, I just walk down the hall and I start dictating to someone. They type what I say, and it becomes a book. And everything's not such a creative hassle. You know, everything in a movie, you make this change, it's going to cost a million dollars. You make that change, it costs a million dollars. You know, you go down the hall and dictate, I can blow up the universe for free. I can do anything I want to do. It's just ink on paper. It doesn't matter. But then my book turns into our movie. And when we start production on every movie, I host a dinner for all the people that are working on it. You know, even actors, actresses, you know, even down to the technical people, the guy that drives the truck, all these people.
SPEAKER 06 :
Or you should have the radio lady that interviews you about it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And there's about 400 people work on the movie. Oh, my goodness. And they all have their little part. And, you know, so it's quite a process. And, you know, you go and you do all this stuff. And, you know, you have a 10- or 12-hour day. And, Angie, if you have a great day shooting, the weather cooperates, the equipment don't break, everybody's happy. If you have a great 12-hour day, you get 10 minutes of film that shows up in a movie someday. I mean, that's kind of the way it works. Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 05 :
Unbelievable.
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You know, and I've had so many people that call me, Jim, I really want to come and watch this. It's got to be exciting. I said, you can come and watch it, but realize this is the most boring day you can imagine. It's just a lot of sort of, you know, I remember when I first met Brian Denny on the set of one of the movies, and I said, what's the key to it? successfully making a movie, he said, you've got to have a hobby. I play cards with the crew. He said, if you don't have something, you're just going to go nuts here. Because there's just so much waiting on all the technical stuff to happen before you get this one moment to shoot it. And it doesn't seem like you're making progress, but then all of a sudden, bang, there's a movie. And it's like, I have a friend, he's getting married next month, and they work six months, all this stuff to put together this wedding. Then the day comes, and 20 minutes later, it's over. And you think, wow, that, you know, and it just, there's just so much upfront stuff on it. But yeah, and making a movie, I was just reading about Michael Douglas, the great actor. He, back in the day, he optioned the book, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. And he wanted his father, Kirk Douglas, to play that part. It took him 11 years to get it made. And I'm talking about a guy that's a film legend. It took him 11 years to get the movie made. And by the time they were ready to shoot it, his father was too old to play the part. He had to hire Jack Nicholson to play the part. And that's just the nature of the beast.
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you know um thinking about how um much time you put into things by the way you know watching your kids play college sports mark was talking about that this week and my husband we went to go see my daughter and i'll send you the article it's kind of cute it's just like he somebody said to him all your hard work's paying off now because he's trained my kids for so many years you know and he took hope to the gym like almost every day of the week for many many years and so he's lost his lifting partners trying to make the youngest one faith his lifting partner but she's not quite as interested. Anyway, Hope had this article come up and it said, Hope, you know, unstoppable 20 kills against this team this weekend, the most for a lady lion in one game all season. And she actually had 22, but two were right on the line, you know, where you're like, oh, they didn't get counted. So she got 20. Anyway, so someone said, oh my gosh, your daughter had such a great game. All that hard work's finally paying off. And it's like your books or like a movie, you know, it's like, Think about the years of her starting the swimming at five, you know, all the training and the private lessons and not, you know, the work that went into that. So a little bit different, but a similar, you know, idea to your your article this week. If you want to find Jim, Jim Stovall dot com. And the article this week is a quote from a friend. Thank you, friend. Thanks. Be well.
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Hello there, friend, Angie Austin and Dr. Cheryl Lentz with the good news, the academic entrepreneur. So great to have you. I've got an interview coming up in a minute, Cheryl, but I wanted to catch a few minutes with you because we're kind of on this whole living life, the fullest thing. But also you and I talked about the Harvard happiness study and you and I both seem to be doing that. Not only are you traveling, even though you've had some difficulties. medical setbacks where you you know have had to use a walker etc and you're like you know what Angie I'm going for it but also you and I've talked about these connections the Harvard happiness study which started in the 30s as the largest indicator the most powerful indicator of happiness isn't your job your money your title it's your connections it's your friendships it's relationships and you've been traveling in order to re-establish those rekindle those because you have to stay home for a while due to your dog who'd been dealing with some issues. And I had the kids I was raising. So we've really been getting out there and, you know, seeing old friends. And I've been traveling a lot with my former news friends. And you're kind of doing the same thing.
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Absolutely. And I think that's the whole point. Nobody died wishing they'd work more. Nobody has a hearse that follows, you know, or U-Haul that follows the hearse. You can't take your money with you. And people will tell you money isn't the issue. It's what you do with money. Money is a tool. And my point is to find the most, you know, economical way of budgets are issues to be able to go connect with friends and family because it was a former military wife. I've lived all over the world. So now I have friends all over the world. And with you being single, it is easier sometimes for me to travel, but there's so many places in the world I want to see. And quite frankly, the medical stuff has given me a sense of urgency and I want to do it. If not now, then before old age sets in and I can't do it anymore. And so there is a sense of urgency to be able to make those memories and As much as you can for as long as you can. And I'm right in the middle of it as are you. So welcome back to living.
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Yes. With my friends, my girlfriends that I traveled with my 20s and 30s from my news career, we went to Mexico together. Disney World Vegas and now we've done Estes Park they all came up to Colorado and we got to see the elk rut and they were just as blown away by getting so close to the animals and seeing them in action as I was so I'm like okay I'm not a weirdo this is really something cool and And then we've gone to Tucson and we went to Tombstone, Arizona, which was, you know, very kitschy, you know, kind of tourist trappy, but so fun. I love the history and the shootout and all the they had like the same old brothels and saloons and stuff that they had, you know, back in the day and the dirt road and the horses. It was just neat to see that recreation kind of, you know, the same street buildings and And then also we did, oh, Nashville, Tennessee. And so now it's six trips with one of my reporter friends. And this last trip, I'll have to send you the link. We did, she did a report on our trip. She did like, you know, a story, even though she's a professor now, she's not working as a reporter in Los Angeles. I said, why don't you do a story on it? She goes, you know what, Angie, I think I will. And it turned out so great.
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Well, I think that's the point is, is life is about living. Life is about living your best life and going out and and exchanging it with other people, interacting with other people, looking at all the things that we can share. It's not about the money in your bank account. It's the amount of connections that you have, and the happiness thing will tell you that. How happy are you? And it's a choice you make every day, and you and I are choosing to go out and see the world. So one of these days our circles are going to do it. We're going to actually choose to be in the same place at the same time while we do it.
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Yes, we are. And I just love the visual of you don't have a U-Haul following your hearse, you know, bringing all your stuff with you. So, you know, get out there and live a little. So I guess that's my challenge to you listening, you know, to get out there and live a little. Cheryl's been doing a lot of really exciting things this last year, and she's got a couple of side hustles going and renting out parts of her house and meeting really interesting people. And she's had exchange students and now she's traveling. I mean, It's really neat. I really admire you for everything you're doing, even with the physical challenges. So stick around, Cheryl. I've got something else here on tap. Got one of our return guests coming. If you're just joining us, this is Angie Austin with the good news. And you can get in touch with Dr. Cheryl Lentz dot com. You know, fall is the perfect season to take on fresh projects in the kitchen and the bath. It gets a little chilly where I am. So I always give my husband like wintry projects. And the kitchen and the bathroom are two of the most used spaces in every home. Joining us again to inspire fall changes is Carter Oosterhuis, one of TV's best-known carpenters and TV host known as the most handsome TV carpenter. Viewers know Carter from shows like Trading Spaces, Million Dollar Rooms, and the hit primetime series The Great Christmas Light Fight. That's a great one. Welcome back, Carter. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Thanks, Angie. And that light fight is so cool because I just love, I don't know, Christmas is just, I mean, it's so magical for most people. That must be such a blast to work on.
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Such a blast. I mean, we've been shooting that show for, I think, now 13, 14 seasons. It's unbelievable that we've been shooting for that long. And it's a really fun show to be on. Really. Oh, I love it. I love it.
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All right. Let's just start, you know, fall. I like that because, you know, I live in a climate where it gets cold in the winter. So I love to give my husband fall and winter jobs. And so in terms of, you know, what makes it good for a do-it-yourself fall project, what do you suggest?
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Well, like you said, you know, from Transpaces, Great Christmas Life, I've seen so many different things, but I really feel like the best DIY projects are budget-friendly. You know, they're useful for all the family members, hopefully. And fall is the perfect season because you're going to update your kitchen, your bath, and you want them both to look great, but also you want them to function great because you're going to start having a lot of family members over. So it's time that you want everything to run seamless. So now is the time to kind of get to it.
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You know, and a lot of like you mentioned budget friendly, not all of these fixer uppers are that expensive. Like we're working on like an ADU over a garage, which is like outrageous. And the permit pulling can be just like unbelievable. Right. But a lot of the things you do inside your home, like your kitchen and your bath, you don't have to do all the permit pulling. It doesn't have to be a huge expense. So kitchen is definitely the heart of our home. There are six of us that live here off and on with the college kids back and forth. What's a way to make it maybe even one way to make it feel new again?
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Okay, well, this one's kind of an easy one. It's sort of a little cheat here, but, you know, there's a growing movement right now for people wanting to elevate their space to, like, a home, you know, cafe, that coffee experience. They want it to look and feel better. Well, the Jura Z10, it can transform a space in a heartbeat. It brews, its coffee maker brews everything from rich espressos, velvety flat whites, refreshing cold brew lattes. Literally, it brews 40 specialties, and it's true bean-to-cup quality. So it's very impressive. It's a great way to make a big splash. It can be the centerpiece of your kitchen. It's in our house. It is definitely the centerpiece, and we use it all the time.
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You know, it's funny you say that because I actually just took – you know those old stupid desks they have in the kitchen? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I have a desk nook and we never use it. Right. And so I turned it into the coffee counter like I turned it into a little bistro like so that's a great idea. And it does add a whole new feel. And then when all the teenagers come over, they can like make, you know, whatever their little coffee and I have to go cups for them and the lids and a little, you know, little wraparounds to keep the cup from feeling too hot. Like they love it. They think it's so cool.
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Yeah. And it really, you know, you're going to end up saving a lot of money over time because I know where we live, just where you like you, where you live, Angie, it's, you know, there's a coffee shop on every corner and this is a way to, you know, and literally have it right in your home.
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Yeah, now there's a coffee shop on my corner, so people want to come to my corner. All right, what about showers? We redid one of our showers big time and then one just a little redo where we kept the tub in. So what's an update that can add comfort? But a lot of us are worried, too, about making sure it's resource-friendly, et cetera, like putting on the limiters or whatever. So what do you recommend in terms of showers?
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Well, this is, Angie, this is a little redo. It's not a big one, but it's really cool and makes a big splash. Moen's latest offering, it's called the Handheld That Saves Hot Water Showerhead. Okay, so it's practical, looks great, and it's eco-friendly. So what happens is once water reaches 95 degrees, you know, you get it. Water heat takes a little while. Well, then the conserve feature reduces the water flow. So there's not all that water spraying out, but it still holds the temperature until you're ready to step in. So it prevents wasted gallons. It can save up to 5,500 gallons of water a year, and it's only $135. And, I mean, talk about efficiency. That's definitely one that anybody can do, and it's a quick fix.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I like their quality and their look. I think they have nice products.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, they definitely do. We have them in our house all over.
SPEAKER 06 :
What is maybe a simple way just to keep your home in general running smoothly?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, you want your kitchen and your beautiful bathroom. They should work as well as it looks, right? So Zeps, it's a new liquid heat max. So there's a clog remover gel. All right. This provides the ultimate drain cleaning power. So there's no plumber required. It's the industry's most powerful formula. It cuts through the grease, the buildup. even in standing water. And, look, these guys have been around for 85 years, so they're trusted by professionals. They're trusted by me. And you can sleep well at night knowing that you have something that's going to fight those clogs within your home if you have them. It's great to have it in a closet. You can find it on Amazon.com.
SPEAKER 06 :
And what's it called again?
SPEAKER 08 :
It's called Zeps, and it's Z. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I know that one. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
New Liquid Heat Max, and it's a fog remover gel.
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Now, what, you know, give me a suggestion that you think really pops, something that you like to suggest that really pops.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, look, there's different ways that you can do it within your home, but the GE Reveal bulb, it's a simple but powerful upgrade within your home. You know, unlike the standard LED soft light or daylight bulbs, GE Reveal offers just beautifully balanced light. It's clean. It's neutral white that enhances all the other colors within your home and the textures without any of those harsh blues or yellow tones. They come in a range of sizes and styles. I know my wife and I are always searching for that perfect light because it really sets the tone and how you feel within your home, and GE Reveal has done that. And you can get those at Target, Target.com.
SPEAKER 06 :
And lighting makes such a difference. Gramps put dimmers on all of our lights and I just lighting makes such a difference. And I just got some of these like firework lights from my teenager's room that looked like fireworks with like a New York city, like tapestry backdrop. And so when we put them on, they were like blinding. And my husband's like, my gosh that's horrible so I changed out all the bulbs you know to make them like a little more soothing and it was the biggest difference in the room from like blinding fireworks you know to like kind of you know like feeling kind of soothing so lighting it makes a huge difference but I cannot let you go without asking you like what's next you know what's your favorite thing you're working on right now because you've worked on so many shows
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, the Christmas Light Fight is great. You know, like I said, that is going to air on ABC on primetime, and I'm so excited when that comes out. We have a fantastic season coming up, and we're so excited to still be shooting that show. And there's a few more, like, barn projects, like, in the works right now, because I love, you know, I redid my old barn, and that's on HBO Max. That's awesome. And that was a really fun one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, my neighbor just redid hers and put a fire pit in front. She has parties out there. She's at a barn party. It is so cool. That's such a neat space because we have big lots where we have like a horse. Even though we're in Denver, we have like horse trails and that with the way they redid that barn to actually use it because they don't have horses is like one of the coolest things you can do, like a barn dominium or something. But all right. i want one more suggestion because i know i don't want to go over i'll get in trouble um i want to know if somebody says to you hey carter what's one thing that'll add value to your home that you would definitely like start with to make a house worth more but not be throwing your money away like on a pool or something like that where you might not get it back out of what what area of the house do you fix those are nice but um you know it is uh uh the exterior uh of your home that um
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, that's a biggie. You know, when you have that landscaping, you can get away with not breaking the bank, and your home can transform like that. You know, again, siding, color changes, a refresh looks great, but also landscaping and curb appeal, those can be huge if you're trying to sell your home because, you know, buyers come in and they see something like that that looks a lot better than maybe hopefully your neighbors, and that can make a huge change.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'm using that. We just redid the exterior lighting. It looks amazing at night, like a little fairyland. And so I'm going to do that, the landscaping and the paint. All right, where should we go for more info on everything you told us about?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, if you go on tipsontv.com, you can find all these products, and hopefully you'll pick up a couple.
SPEAKER 06 :
Excellent. Thank you, TV's most handsome carpenter, Carter.
SPEAKER 07 :
You're so sweet. Thanks, Angie. Appreciate it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Take care.
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Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
Join Kim Monson as she dives into pivotal discussions surrounding rights and governance through the lens of freedom versus force. With riveting insights on local and global politics, Kim challenges listeners to ponder whether governmental policies support true freedom or edge closer to control. Through anecdotes and real-life examples, this episode delves into the controversy surrounding community planning and the importance of maintaining transparency and citizen engagement.
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The latest in politics and world affairs.
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If you give people rights, women's rights, gay rights, whatever, there can't be equal rights if there are special rights.
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Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
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Indeed. Let's have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body, my friends. We were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And you and producer Luke will be our featured guest in our number two. We're continuing our book discussion of The Prince by Machiavelli. So I'm very excited about that. I really appreciate the two of you, you young whippersnappers that are willing to have these conversations, Joe.
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I really do appreciate it. It's like Colonel Rutledge says, always take the chance to learn something new.
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Here you have a 27-year-old quoting a 97-year-old. I love that. That's the way it's supposed to be. So we've got a great show planned for you, so buckle up. Thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship to make all of this happen. Check out our website. While you're there, make sure that you are signed up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmonson.com. Text line is 720-605-0647. I do want to hear from you as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity. As we look at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it's never compassionate nor altruistic to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunity, childhoods or lives. I was just thinking about this. The World Economic Forum. They basically are about global control, this global agenda. And I was over in Centennial yesterday, a little neighborhood that the city of Centennial has used resources. So that would be manpower, paint, those little turtle things for bike lanes, and then kind of the pylons. to put, to basically, they're calling it road diet. And I think what they're trying to do is to condition us to be compliant with this overreaching agenda. People like freedom of mobility. So I was talking with someone in the neighborhood, and the neighborhood's very up in arms about it. All this stuff just appeared one day. But again, remember, it's resources, manpower, paint, buying the supplies, and they really overdid it. Neighbors are not happy. And so they need to go to city council and talk with them about it. But one of the neighbors said, I've not seen one bike in those bike lanes ever. And so, again, but this is the agenda of the World Economic Forum, which we thought it was at the United Nations, but we're seeing it now in these neighborhoods. Another example is Littleton. Yesterday, we had Joe Whitney on with Rooted in Littleton. And the Littleton City Council and mayor are pushing this agenda of density, density, which Jared Polis is doing at the state level. He's saying, oh, no, no, you local jurisdictions, you can't figure out about your own neighborhoods. The state is if you don't do what we want, the state's going to make a law, which they did. And there are several jurisdictions that have filed suit against that. But in fact, Littleton, the mayor, the current mayor and city council are doubling down. Okay. So the citizens take the time from their businesses, their families, which we've got to be doing this, my friends, and watch what's going on. But they came together and they said, we want to get a ballot question out on the ballot to our neighbors. Do we want all this density or would we like to protect our neighborhoods, our way of life? Well, amazing. The city council and the mayor and the staff of Littleton are using your resources in Littleton, the taxes you pay, to sue, to keep the question off the ballot. They don't even want to let the people have a chance at having a voice. Do you not see that there's something wrong with that picture? I certainly do. So with that, it's not compassionate or altruistic to take other people's stuff. That's the bottom line. And we talk about these issues all the time, searching for truth and clarity. And our litmus test is freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Socialism is not about free stuff. Ultimately, that's the carrot to get people to vote for it. But socialism has to come down to force because it's a bad idea. And if something's a bad idea, you have to use force for it. But if something's a good idea, you don't have to use force to implement it. You can engage in the battle of ideas. And we've gotten a bit lazy with soundbites and media. And I feel a hunger. for people to learn more. I think that Charlie Kirk and what he was doing, talking to young people, people are hungry for truth. And that's why we search for that every day on the show. We do focus on the issues, not the personalities, but we will talk about the people that are pushing those issues. So to give you an update, yesterday I went through the next proof of of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers ratings report, the cut report. And I think that hopefully will go to print today. Our board meeting is next Monday night. So I hope to have that to deliver to my fellow board members. And at this point, I do want to say thank you. to my fellow board members, which are Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onazorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. These people are amazing. They give so much of their time to go through, and I think that we rated, or we went through and took positions on 273 pieces of legislation. This ratings report that we are putting together is a monumental piece of work as far as it's gone through on those 273 pieces of legislation and then rated all of the legislators on how they voted with our votes. Our goals and what are our goals to protect the taxpayer. And if you live in Colorado, if you buy anything, sales tax, you drive a car, there's taxes and fees. So we're representing you. Protecting Tabor, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights. There are those on both sides of the aisle that are after that. Parental rights. And property rights. And so stay tuned. Next thing, the ballots are going to be mailed on Friday. And the other project I'm working on is the voter's guide. And it is extensive. We will be taking positions on the two questions on the state ballot. And then I will be analyzing the vibrant Denver ballot. bond package which is just south of a billion dollars and i can tell you i'd recommend no but i'll tell you why in the voters guide and so we will have that rolling out this sunday in the newsletter and The other thing, if you are interested in having a speaker regarding the elections and the election questions, we have – there are several on the Colorado Union of Taxpayers Board that have – have said that they will be part of a speaker's bureau. And so there's two ways you could request that. You could go to the CUT website, which is coloradotaxpayer.org, and you can put in something regarding the media request there, or you can text me on my text line at 720-605-0647. But again, we've got Speaker's Bureau for you regarding the questions on the ballot. And then there are also a number of school board races and city council and mayor races. And I'd recommend that you go to the website for each of those entities and find out who those candidates are and contact them and ask them where they stand on freedom versus force. Do they want bigger government, or do they think government should be in a limited role so that individuals have more money in their pockets, more freedom to go after their hopes and dreams? Those are the bottom line questions that I would recommend that you ask. Next thing, I am reading Jonathan Turley's book, Freedom of Speech in an Age of Rage, The Indispensable Right. And so I'm coming up with a lot of great words of the day. And then also, Joe, as I'm reading The Prince, I was doing our homework for The Prince. I came up with four potential words of the day. Now, the trick is for me to be able to pronounce them all. So that's also the challenge. Quit laughing. But the word of the day today is inimical. It's I-N-I-M-I-C-A-L, inimical, and it could be injurious or harmful in effect or adverse, unfriendly or hostile, or having the disposition or temper of an enemy, unfriendly, unfavorable, chiefly applied to private or as hostile to public enmity. And I would say that looking at the mayor of Littleton and the city council and the bureaucrats over there, that they are inimical to the voters there in Littleton. So your choice. The challenge is to use inimical in a sentence today. It shouldn't be that difficult. Our quote of the day, I was looking for creator quotes, because we'll be talking with Mark Monson here soon, and he has created a board game. And Being creative, again, it's the foundation of the American idea, the sanctity of the individual, creativity, property rights, all those things. So I was looking for creative quotes, and I found this by Charles Dickens. And I thought it was a great quote. As you know, he wrote The Christmas Carol. He was born in 1812. He died in 1870. He was an English novelist, journalist, short story writer, and social critic. He created some of literature's best-known fictional characters and is regarded by many as the greatest novelist of the Victorian era. His works enjoyed unprecedented popularity during his lifetime, and by the 20th century, critics and scholars had recognized him as a literary genius. And he said this, I thought that was a great quote. A couple of headlines. First thing, Portland, this is crazyville. This is from Newsmax. I don't know, well, I guess we probably can't figure out how it happened. It was the radical activists that have taken over the Democrat Party and has turned Portland, which it's been a long time since I've been to Portland. It was a neat city when I was there. But it says, Trump said to Newsmax, Portland unrest is pure insurrection. And he said this ongoing lawlessness in Portland, Oregon, amounts to pure insurrection, blasting local Democrat leaders for failing to maintain order and protect citizens. He's absolutely spot on. He said speaking Monday night on Greg Kelly reports, Trump said the chaos in Portland. See, there's that word chaos, which that is Marxism, communism. They want chaos and destruction instead of order and creation. And Trump said this has dragged on for far too long and accused Oregon officials of turning a blind eye to the destruction. And ultimately, the people have got to vote these people out of office and reclaim their communities. One other thing I wanted to mention, and yesterday we had Jan Jekielek on with the Epoch Times regarding the Chinese Communist Party. And the organ harvesting of prisoners. And this came in. They didn't identify who they were. But this came in and it says, I was recently put on a mental hold. health hold in Colorado at Anschutz. Even though I declined organ donation on my driver's license, I was presented with an intake form that stated I agreed to donate my organs to University of Colorado at Anschutz. And she went on to say, or she or he, I don't know, I'm concerned that getting a mental health diagnosis makes a person vulnerable to a myriad of abuses, including organ donation. Okay, now let me connect this dot over here to the fact that we've got some of these health clinics on school grounds where, and all this mental health evaluation on our kids. Can you not see this could become a problem? It says, incidentally, my mental health hold cost the taxpayers $30,000 as I am on Medicare. And so I thought that was important to share with you. These discussions happen because of all of our sponsors. And I did want to mention Hooters Restaurants. They've been great sponsors of both the Kim Monson Show and America's Veterans Stories for many years. How I got to know them? 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Hi, Kim. Thanks for having me.
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And so, Mark, tell us a little bit about your creative journey.
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Yeah, so about five years ago, I... had this idea for, you know, I was just kind of hanging out with some friends and, um, you know, we kind of started thinking about board games and stuff and I kind of had a spark of creativity and then, um, you know, after working really hard to get all the rules situated and stuff, then kind of came the big work of trying to develop it, um, publish it and get it shipped over here, um, to America so that we can, you know, start sharing it with everybody else.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so that sounds like maybe it was not manufactured here. So tell us a little bit about that.
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Yeah, so kind of I decided to do everything myself, which obviously with many things you don't realize how much work goes into it until after you're halfway into it. But I ended up going with a manufacturer in China just – Because, you know, for a cost basis and everything. But then, oh, about three months later, while everything was getting built, the tariffs came through. So, you know, I've always been somebody who said the president rarely enacts laws that affect you. And I ended up getting hit by that. So, but, you know, it's. That's just the cost of doing business. Now that everything is here, it's been really fun to market and show everybody the game.
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Okay. Tell us about the game.
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The game is a one versus many.
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Is it a good versus evil, or what?
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You could say it's good versus evil. some one person will be playing the the bad guys and one and then the rest of the people will team up to play as the good guys and basically the bad guy makes an army and tries to stop the good guys from doing whatever they need to do on on each of the maps and everything that you play on okay well and what's the name of the game the game is called legend of the eight isles and where can people find it or purchase it Yep. So currently it's just on the website at legendofthe8isles.com. You can order a special edition that I'll ship out directly to you. And then probably here in the next couple of months we'll be listing on Amazon as well once kind of everything gets situated on that.
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Okay. So tell us a little bit about the characters and how you came up with those.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, so one of the characters actually is based off of my dog. She's now immortalized in a board game, so she's a lot of fun to play with. The kids usually like to see all the characters because most of them are based off of animals and stuff. Kids like to choose their favorite animal and then they can play and figure out how to get through the game and everything.
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Okay. What's the age range on it?
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The age range, you kind of have to ignore what's listed on the box. I would say that any children from eight plus would be able to play without any help or anything. And then that runs all the way up to adults and everything. I've played with a whole bunch of my adult friends, and we've had a lot of fun.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And it's Legend of the Eight Isles, correct? That's where people can find it?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, legendofthe8isles.com. You can also just Google search that, and you'll see plenty of places where the game will be listed.
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Now, I can't believe it, but we are into October, which means that Christmas and Hanukkah are right around the corner. And there are people that like to be organized and get their shopping done early. I think this is a really great gift for Christmas, birthdays, and Hanukkah, and particularly for young people. Again, I see so many young people on their phones. We're all on our phones. And this disconnecting to reconnect, I think we're on to something there.
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Yeah, I think one thing that people just, when you don't talk directly to people, you know, you don't really treat them as people if you're just talking to them, you know, through a screen or something like that. Well, some people. I try to teach it. Definitely, definitely. But it definitely breeds nastiness and stuff like that. And we just don't need that in our world anymore right now. So this is a way that people can get together, have fun together, laugh and learn about each other and just have a good time.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I think it really knocks down barriers. And I think that there are so many agendas out there that have created barriers. And so I think this is amazing. But this has been quite the journey from an idea to having a website that you're selling a product. It has been quite the journey. You went through COVID on it. It's been really quite a journey for you, yes?
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Yep. Yep. So we actually started with a Kickstarter and we fully funded on Kickstarter.com, which was super helpful to kind of get us off the ground just as basically a solo game publisher. But once we kind of had that little bit of capital, we've been able to. you know use that to um get better designs for you know all the cards in the game um and just you know really load the the board game up with a whole bunch of cool stuff for everybody to to play with and crazy so okay mark monson last question my personality is not one that really likes to sit down and like play monopoly some long game i'm more of a yahtzee crazy eight kind of person what about me can is this a game that you think that i would enjoy is it hard to learn is there too much strategy or what do you think well luckily it's one of those games that um starts out you know you can just kind of just play as the the one character so it's you know you only have a few things that you can do so there's not a lot to learn um And then, you know, kind of the complexity comes with how you're playing with your friends and stuff. So it's super simple. It's super quick. You can play, you know, a session in 15, 20 minutes, or, you know, you can play all night and play through each of the levels in the game and everything, you know, which will take, you know, four or five hours if you wanted to. But, you know, that was one of the things that I wanted to be able to have people drop in and drop out, you know, because everybody's got busy schedules and everything.
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Cool. Okay. Again, how can people find the game?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. So at legendofthe8isles.com.
SPEAKER 14 :
And eight spelled out?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. Okay. Legend of the Eight Isles with eight spelled out. And you can just Google that as well. You'll see it show up there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Well, get your Christmas and Hanukkah shopping done early. That's Legend of the Eight Isles. And Mark Monson, thank you so much. I wish you all kinds of good luck.
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Thanks a lot, Kim.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. And also check out the Center for American Values. It is a nonprofit that I totally love to feature on the show. The center is located in Pueblo on the Riverwalk. They have have beautiful portraits of valor honoring our Medal of Honor recipients, but also all kinds of educational programs. And they are going to have an On Values presentation on October 20th with Norma Donlan. She was married to... Roger Dodlin, who was a Medal of Honor recipient. In fact, I think he was the first Medal of Honor recipient of the Vietnam War. So that's going to be on October 20th. And then also we had Drew Dix on last week, Medal of Honor recipient and a co-founder of the Center. And he has a great new podcast series, Words from the Silo. You can find all of that information at AmericanValueCenter.org. And I'm pleased to have on the line with me Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy. They are valued partners of the show. And we talk about it on a regular basis. Reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power. It really empowers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. The industry that provides that, those industries have been under attack from a legislative, regulatory standpoint, particularly here in Colorado, of course in California as well. But in the Biden-Harris administration as well. And so we're seeing things change on a federal level. So wanted to talk with Bob Boswell about that first. Bob Boswell, welcome to the show.
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Thanks, Kim. It's great to join you this morning.
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Well, there's on a federal level, I think there's exciting things happening for everyday people, because if we have reliable, efficient, affordable and abundant power, then we can be creative. We can take care of our families. We can create businesses. And that has been under attack. And it looks like the Trump administration is trying to change that. What do you see?
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Well, you're exactly right, Kim. Seventy percent of the lands in Colorado are federal. That means that these lands belong to the public as do the minerals. What we've had in Colorado is an administration that has consistently fought development of our natural resources in the state to the detriment of the people of the state. They changed our regulatory guidelines to the ECMC, which is more about environmental than it is constructive development of the resources of the state. And they've put excessive regulations, some do put these, some completely unnecessary, that has really stifled development in the state of Colorado. And it's particularly critical at this time with the development of data centers which requires significant and continuous, consistent, reliable power. And that source, the most reliable source, is natural gas. Colorado's fortune is it's the sixth richest endowed state in terms of natural gas and oil. The Peons Basin in itself, which is western Colorado, has some 66 TCF of developed natural gas resources, and it has been stifled by the regulatory regime of the last several years. And as evidence of it, if you look at Virginia, which is not a state with rich natural gas resources, 70 different data centers are either underway or under consideration for development. Texas has three. The state of Colorado, I mean, Texas has over 100. The state of Colorado has maybe three that are under consideration, but again, the regulatory issues are stifling the development of these data centers to the detriment of the state of Colorado. These rules and regulations have consequences, and they're certainly manifesting themselves right now.
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So, Bob, I'm not sure I'm totally sold on all of these data centers because I'm concerned that they're going to be getting all this data on us. I like the convenience. I don't really use AI that much, but I like it when I have a word that's misspelled and I get a correction on that, and then I try to mentally learn that. But what I find, so I'm a little concerned about that. And what I find so interesting is that we've seen on an individual basis regulations and rules and taxes that have really increased the cost of reliable, affordable, abundant, and efficient energy sources for everyday people. We've seen our electric bills go up. And then all of a sudden, all these data centers and I don't seem to be hearing a word about those that used to say, hey, we've got to conserve energy. I don't hear a word about anybody from anybody on that, Bob.
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Well, I think there's two considerations. Artificial intelligence is a terrific tool for mankind, and it's also an important element in consideration of national security and economic development. The second component is that it needs to be managed, and I think Sam Altman, who's one of the principal directors um gurus of of artificial intelligence has come out and said it's important we manage this artificial intelligence properly you know we have the proper protocols and there's been a book written recently called the coming wave and it it's about this very same thing that the importance of this development of artificial intelligence is is properly managed. The second component is artificial intelligence will be developed globally, whether the United States does it or not. We have a significant head start versus China and others, and that is important from a national security standpoint. And we need to be able to develop and manage AI for the benefit of the United States and mankind. But it does require tremendous amounts of energy. And the most consistent, reliable is natural gas. data centers need to run 99.5% of the time, and they have tremendous power requirements. That power requirement cannot be supplied by wind or solar, which are intermittent, which require storage, and we don't have sufficient storage for more than a day or two of the normal grid when you put artificial intelligence or data centers in place, the demand is significantly higher. So if we are going to develop this science and this opportunity, it's important that it be managed, but it's important that we have good, consistent, reliable, affordable power. And when you think about it, Kim, I read an article the other day that talked about the six richest companies in America, and they're all tech companies, the ones you'd expect, Microsoft, Amazon. These companies are valuing the trillions of dollars. The top six are more valuable than the combined value of the utility industry in the United States. So they are going to be developing these data centers. They are less concerned about the price of power as they are to the availability. And so for this development to occur, we need to open up the development of our natural resources. We need to have a framework within the utility industry that we have a grid that's developed and that the price to consumers is affordable and reliable as the Data centers are not that sensitive to the price of power. So it's going to be a complex regulatory management consideration that is certainly under consideration right now. But the most important thing is that this is coming, and we need to manage it appropriately.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that managing thing is, I think, spot on. Just one other thing before we go to break is you mentioned this, and we do every day when we're saying thank you about reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power sources for everyday people. So these big companies are looking for reliable power sources. It sounds like you think if we could get our natural resources unencumbered by all these regulations, that that will trickle down to more affordable power for everyday people as they live their lives. What we're seeing is our electric prices are going up from Excel. And so it looks like we could get this turned around, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, we can. I mean, the prices are going up for Mixcel. Part of that's the mandate for renewables. Governor Post recently has recognized the importance of the development, I think, in the state of Colorado. But he's really being fought from his own – within his own – Democratic body. We've seen the EMC get particularly tough on things that aren't even within their purview of regulatory requirements. It's more of a political attitude than it is a You know, trying to put in the best policies that allow us to develop our resources. So there's a lot of different things going on right now. And it's going to be important for the state of Colorado that we... manage this properly, we take down the regulatory barriers. And frankly, since 70% of the lands in Colorado are federal, I think the federal government is going to do it. Between the state and the federal government, there's a memorandum of understanding, or MOU. And in the past, the federal government has worked with the state on these regulations, but under the Biden administration, they went so far. that I think now the federal government's going to renegotiate that memorandum of understanding with the state to allow us to develop the resources on the public lands.
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Wow, that is going to be big. So we're going to continue the discussion with Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy. I do thank them for their sponsorship of the show. These discussions happen because of our sponsors, and another great sponsor is John Bozen with Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That's Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter there. You can text me at 720-605-0647. I do want to hear from you. And the USMC Memorial is located right here in Golden, Colorado. It is the official Marine Memorial. And Paula Sarles, who is the president of the foundation and her team, are raising money for the remodel and also taking care of the memorial. And Veterans Day is right around the corner. And a great way to say thank you is to support the USMC Memorial Foundation. You can do that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. We're talking with Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy. And Bob, you said something regarding... Wind and solar. You said they require storage. And it has come to my attention on some massive industrial wind projects that are proposed up in Wyoming. One of them is 56,000 acres. Another is 46,000 acres. That is a tremendous amount of land. just to do the generation it doesn't include the transmission lines nor you mentioned storage so match this up for me oil and gas and coal there are they're dense energy sources so they don't take up a lot of land right but wind and solar takes up a lot of land comparatively yes
SPEAKER 18 :
Well that's that's true the footprint is, but you know they're large areas in Wyoming, particularly that are right for development, the wind corridors good and women and solar are supplements they're not replacements. for reliable power. But they are certainly supplements. We need to develop them. We need to develop them intelligently. But they need to be recognized as supplements, not replacements. And that's the issue in the state of Colorado with the current administration's goal of having us completely renewables by 2040. So it won't happen simply because the storage won't be there and the power demands are such that wind and solar can't provide that on a consistent basis with the known storage technologies today. And there's not much on the horizon that says they can store massive amounts of energy for a prolonged period of time. So that's really the issue. It's not whether or not we develop wind and solar. There is a question of whether we need to supplement it at the cost of the American public. It should be competitive with different sources of energy, coal and gas. And gas and oil the same. They should be on even footing for development. So I'm in favor of developing wind and solar, but it needs to be recognized as a supplement, not a replacement.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so I've been talking, and she's going to be on the show on Thursday, Virginia Maka, and she was the founder of Stand for the Land Kansas. And we were talking, and she was trying to explain to me baseload power, which I think that means it's the reliable power that is provided by oil, natural gas, and coal. And if an economy... tries to move away from having that baseload, then challenging things can happen. Talk to me a little bit about baseload power.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, baseload is the normal power that would be expected to be delivered under consistent weather. When you have exceptionally cold weather or exceptionally hot weather, they have peaking demands. And that is demands above what would be your base load. So you have to build a power system that can respond to peak loads. peak load to supply the power in the state of Texas. It cost multiple billion dollars in damages. They had to buy power from other states, which put stress on the demand of the overall system and caused the cost to rise significantly for three or four days. So you've got your base power and you've got your peak demand, and that's the difference.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so next question, and you mentioned storage, and so I'm just a regular citizen on this, but storage for wind and solar, so if you produce power from natural gas or coal or oil, that... That energy is there, right? You don't have to go and store it someplace. Is that right? But wind and solar, you have to go store that someplace. Is that right?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, yes. I mean, wind and solar, because it's intermittent, has to have storage. And there is storage that's built into these systems, but the storage is battery-powered. Lithium is the primary storage source. of energy and batteries. And that only supplies it for one to two days at best. So if you've got a cold spell that's over one or two days, which we do frequently or excessive heat, that storage is not sufficient to even hit the base load. So the difference between natural gas and coal is that you have it in a dense factor. It's stored naturally. And when it's needed, it can be pulled.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And you just mentioned the word naturally. And I've had people challenge me on a regular basis to not refer to oil, natural gas, and coal as fossil fuels, but to refer to them as naturally occurring hydrocarbons. And in fact, I'd had Robert Bryce on the show, and he said that he always refers to those as hydrocarbons. And language is important. And I like the term naturally occurring. I like the term natural because I think we need to take back some of the language in this whole energy discussion that we have, Bob.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, Robert is one of the best examples of knowledge and expertise. And I think the way he qualifies it is really the appropriate way. It's hydrocarbons. And by that, he means hydrocarbon chains, which consist of... of carbon, it consists of hydrogen, it can consist of oxygen, and it consists of other elements, some of which are small in proportion but need to be dealt with in terms of cleaning the process and taking some of these hydrocarbon chains out, which are more like benzene and some of the other naturally occurring elements that are small but in part of a hydrocarbon chain. And those are generally taken out in the process of using these fuels for electrification.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And so, Bob, we've got a couple of minutes left. And I think my last question is, on these federal lands in Colorado, I know that this governor and this legislature has tried to stifle things that happen on the federal lands. Which do you think is going to take precedence?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, primacy is with federal, so I would suspect the federal will. The federal government will work with the state, and I think the state has tried to, as much as anything, regulate. the production of hydrocarbons, but they've gone to an extreme. And they've used it as a political foil, using climate change as a barometer of what we should do and not do. One of the main things they're worried about is CO2. As most people know, or I think, CO2 is a naturally occurring element in the chain of photosynthesis. And it's important that we have CO2. That's nature's natural fertilizer for plant growth. And, you know, today I think we're at 400 parts per million CO2. We could go up to 1,000 and the earth would be the greenest. So we've got a long way to go before it's really an issue. But it's used as a foil politically, you know, to try to have different, Ideologues elected or different policies put into place that really inhibit the growth and the use of fossil fuels.
SPEAKER 14 :
Which are hydrocarbons. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know. Habits are tough to break. Bob Boswell, this is always so informative. I really appreciate it. I appreciate the conversations that we have around this. And I will also mention climateconversation.com, which is the documentary I was involved with. Walt Johnson is working on the sequel. It's totally his project. So check that out at climateconversation.com. As always, Bob Boswell, I learned so much. ceo of laramie energy thank you so much we'll talk again next month thank you kim And our quote for the end of the show, I went to Charles Dickens, and he said this. He said, my advice is never to do tomorrow what you can do today. Procrastination is the thief of time. And so, my friends, today be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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indeed let's have a conversation welcome to our number two of the kim monson show thank you so much for joining us you each are treasured you're valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history thank you to the team that's producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa amanda and all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy tuesday producer joe happy tuesday kim and are you ready for our book review I think so. And we've got producer Luke in studio as well for our discussion, book discussion on The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli.
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I'm here. Hello. Thank you for having me.
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It's good. Yeah. You have to come in a little earlier for this one. Yes.
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Yes. Not used to waking up, so a little fuzzy, but I got some coffee and I'm ready to go.
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Okay. Well, we'll get into it here in just a little bit. First of all, I want to say thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. And then getting over to our word of the day, I am reading Jonathan Turley's book, The Indispensable Right, Freedom of Speech in the Age of Rage. And he says, we are in an age of rage right now, but we've been in an age of rage before. And so very interesting book and some great words that I can use for word of the day. And this is inimical. It's I-N-I-M-I-C-A-L. It could be injurious or harmful, ineffective or adverse. Number two, unfriendly or hostile. Number three, having the disposition or temper of an enemy, unfriendly, unfavorable, chiefly applied to private, as hostile to the public. And I used inimical in a sentence today as I was looking at this issue in Littleton, where the Littleton mayor, city council, and the staff, the bureaucrats, have basically sued the citizens with citizens' money to try to keep a question off the ballot. I would say that the Littleton mayor and city council and the bureaucrats there are inimical to the citizen. So your challenge is to use the word inimical in a sentence today. Our quote of the day, I was looking for creation quotes because we had Mark Monson on in our number one regarding his board game that he's created. You can purchase that and get more information by going to Legend of the Eight Isles. But I went to Charles Dickens, born in 1812, died in 1870. And he wrote A Christmas Carol, among other literary works there. But he said this, the whole difference between construction and creation is exactly this, that a thing constructed can only be loved after it's constructed. But a thing created is loved before it exists. And gosh, I was just thinking about the creator. I think he loved us even before we existed. And so connect that dot there. Let's see, other things that I wanted to make sure that, oh, today the Supreme Court is to hear this conversion therapy ban challenge regarding therapists not being able to present both options on genders that only if someone comes in for therapy, they can only move people towards gender transition. So that is a big deal. Pray over that. And that will be at the Supreme Court today. And I mentioned in the first hour, Portland is, Trump has said Portland is in pure insurrection. The responsibility of that comes right down to their local government, as well as the state government. But where the real responsibility is, is the citizen, where we go to the voting box to say what we want. And the question is, are the people in Portland going to continue to vote for destruction and chaos? Or are they going to start to vote for order and creativity so i think that's the big question there on that i did want to mention little richie's uh you you talk about a great calzone it is little richie's from parker to golden little richie's pizza and pasta is your go-to for real new york style pizza hearty pastas and that unbeatable local vibe Little Richie's is serving up daily specials, quick and tasty weekday lunch deals, and a happy hour the locals actually build their plans around. So whether you're bringing the crew, catching up with friends, or flying solo for a hot slice, Little Richie's is your neighborhood hangout. And I work with amazing sponsors, and they all strive for excellence. We have one of those sponsors on the line with us, and that's John Bozen with Bozen Law. And we're up for his weekly update. John Bozen, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim, and I can give a plug for the Parker Little Richies. Good pizza.
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Well, and I love their calzones. It is great. So, yeah, Little Richies is guaranteed. And I love Italian food. There's something about Italian food, John Mosen.
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One of my lawyers is over in Italy right now, and I get an almost daily report on the food.
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No, it's not. The food by itself, in itself, is enough to get over here for us. So it's what I'm hearing.
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But we can go to Little Richie's.
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Absolutely. So let's talk about business, though. If someone has been injured or if you've been injured on the job, talk to me a little bit about workers' compensation.
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Yeah, in addition to the motor vehicle collisions and all the other things that can cause people harm, we do help and represent people that are injured on the job working when they get hurt, working within the course and scope of their employment when they get hurt. And I talk to a lot of folks on a regular basis who get hurt on the job, and a lot of folks make the same mistake that I don't want any of your listeners or anyone close to any of your listeners to make, and that is they don't report the injury when it happens now if it's a serious injury employer's going to be aware of it the employee whoever gets hurt they're going to make sure everybody knows hey i i can't walk but it's the the more subtle injuries that can develop into more significant injuries that folks sometimes think well i think i think i'll be okay i don't want to be that person i don't want to You know, report this. I'm going to give it. They think to themselves, I'm going to give it a day or two or three or I'll go through the weekend, see how I feel on Monday. Big mistake. Defense counsel, we call them respondents counsel on the other side. If an injury isn't reported when it happens, we'll almost always make the argument that Well, you didn't report this when it happened, so it must have happened at home. It must have happened at the gym. It must have happened while you're on that hiking trail. So it's so important that when someone gets hurt, even if it feels like it's something that will be okay in a day or two, report it and report it in writing. Preferably, you know, fill out a form that the employer should hand you and give you called a claim form for the claimant. But if not, then a text message or an email. But report it and then get care. Have a doctor check it out. It's part of the benefits under the workers' compensation system. Employer and the insurance carrier for the employer responsible for the medical care for an on-the-job injury. So those two things right there. And then, and before you even, I mean, as soon as you're hurt, if you can give me a call, I strongly recommend that that be done. And for listeners, if you know someone, if you have a son or a daughter or a neighbor or a good friend that gets hurt, tell them not to put it off. A simple phone call to me can save a lot of heartache and misery and fighting down the road. But have them call me at 303-999-9999. So John Bozen, 303-999-9999. Our quote for the end of the show is one by Charles Dickens.
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SPEAKER 06 :
It was written early 1600s and then published, I believe, after his death in the late 1600s. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
There's been a renaissance of this book, would you say? People interested in it?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think for as old as it is, it's kind of come back up into popular discourse, especially because a lot of the things it's talking about. How do I want to say this? History is famously very cyclical. And I think we here in America and globally are at a point in history very similar in nature to the point in history that Machiavelli is frequently referencing in his text. So I feel like people are finding a bit of a connection of, oh, a lot of the stuff he's talking about is kind of happening again. So I think maybe that's why we're seeing it kind of come up a bit more.
SPEAKER 14 :
OK. And do you with your friends and colleagues, do you discuss books like this or what's those conversations like? You know, it kind of depends.
SPEAKER 06 :
It kind of depends. A lot of my friends are very involved in politics and political discourse. The Prince is one of those books that it's not like we sit around and do a book review, but a couple of us have read it. So it comes up. Every now and then just sort of in the in regular conversation, you know, around these topics, which kind of gets our other friends interested. So less of a book club, more of an organic kind of love it. Hey, this is something that I read once. They go, oh, hey, I read that, too. That's interesting. And someone goes, what was that called? I want to I want to pick it up.
SPEAKER 14 :
Interesting. How about you, Producer Joe? In your sphere of influence, what are you seeing regarding these conversations? And are you looking at books? I know you watch The Daily Wire quite a bit. So tell me about how those conversations are going with your sphere of influence.
SPEAKER 11 :
I find that there are a lot of similarities, even though we live in a time of technology and then there wasn't any technology. It still is seeming to repeat there. And I don't. talk about the book very much in my circle however we touched or i touched on it um in high school in world history and so i've been meaning to get back to it and this is my a good chance to so i'm finding a lot of similarity and it's very neat
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And the founders studied. So you said 1600s. Yes. So that was before our founding and what, you know, the new world was opening up. I found this interesting. Lead me through this a little bit on Chapter 11 of Ecclesiastical Principalities. It has a lot to do with popes and Catholic Church and all that. So walk me through this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, so it talks about in this chapter, kind of writing off the back of the previous two chapters, where it's talking about principalities. You can call them nation states, right? Principality is kind of the shorthand version of a system of governance kind of ruled by one person, essentially. Not quite a dictatorship, right? So any number of those other government synonyms can kind of fall in.
SPEAKER 14 :
So question, because it could be just one person, but it could be a group of people, yes, correct?
SPEAKER 06 :
I believe it depends. In this instance, he does separate the idea of principalities from republics, in which the rule by a people or a rule by many is given its own distinct name as a generalized republic, and then anything that is ruled by a single individual is generally referred to as a principality within the context of the text. Okay. So for example, the Pope here is, you know, the religious institution ruled by a Pope is considered a quote, principality in this context.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And the premise of my question was the Joe Biden administration, where There are those that have questioned whether or not he was really making the decisions. We've heard the conversations about the auto pin. So could conceivably that group that we don't know who they are, that was kind of controlling that. Could that be considered a principality? You know.
SPEAKER 06 :
Maybe. That's an interesting question. That's an interesting one. I don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
We'll leave it out there then.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, we'll leave it out there. It's a good one to think on. But yeah, anyway, Machiavelli talks a lot in this chapter. And for historical reference, this is a time when... The Catholic Church was armed and a force. It is a state, a nation. We have the Vatican now, but I don't think the Pope has guys with guns willing to conquer some nearby territory. This isn't the Crusades era. But he goes on and he mentions that... Okay, next question. Yes, of course.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that is, speaking of church, religion, wanting to conquer other territories, there's been the... expansion of Islam. So how would you address that? And I'll go to you first, Luke, and then Joe, if you want to weigh in.
SPEAKER 06 :
Address it in what context?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, you said that the Vatican, the Pope now doesn't have armies where they used to. Correct. So that's a religious entity. What about the religious entity of Islam where they do have armies?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, right. I think it's a little dangerous. I think that arms should be used, and this is very general, right? Arms should be used in defense of a person or defense of a nation, right? Defense of religion is so abstract in the sense that it's very easy to, for a religious institution to justify any number of things because religion is by nature kind of ephemeral in this you know it is divine ordinance not physical borders even in this text Machiavelli mentions that it is very difficult for a religious institution a pope to conquer a land But once that land is conquered, it is very, very easy to control it without doing anything because the people within that land are being ruled by a god or being ruled by divinity. And that rule extends above all others. So it's very, very easy to control a population.
SPEAKER 14 :
When you say God made me do it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. With religion as this sort of big, all-encompassing bubble, you can justify anything if God made you do it. Right. There's no burden of responsibility on yourself because it is divine. It is ephemeral, which becomes very dangerous, especially in the context of where Machiavelli's talking of religion. religious institutions literally going through and conquering land, right? It is taking physical territory from people. It is enacting rule and sort of forcing that upon a population who may not be reciprocal to it. But again, if it's divine, you can kind of justify anything. You mentioned the Middle East. You see a lot there, right? These religious extremist groups moving through swaths of land and turning, you know, what was it?
SPEAKER 14 :
And today's October 7th. This is the two-year anniversary of the attack by Hamas.
SPEAKER 06 :
It's very easy to see. You can go back in time when we have photographs of what some of these places in the Middle East looked like. before and after the institution of islam uh and you know you see these bustling streets and markets and people moving out and about and now you look at a modern photo and everyone's dressed head to toe and coverings because you know women aren't allowed to exist essentially it's very very dangerous to begin using that and he mentions here how easy it is to enforce that control uh and i think you see that very evident in the middle east one it's very hard for them to take it But once they have that control, it is very difficult to get away from it.
SPEAKER 14 :
It is. And it is socialism. One of our listeners has said you can vote yourself into socialism, but you have to fight your way back out of it. I tell you what, producer Joe, why don't we leave you as our cliffhanger? We will go to break and we have these discussions. And I really appreciate these two young guys to have these intergenerational conversations. And it happens because of our sponsors and the second syndicate. Co-founded by Alicia Garcia and Teddy Collins are bringing disparate voices together to lobby for our Second Amendment rights down at the state capitol. So support them because we're going to be ramping up for that here soon. You can do that by going to thesecondsyndicate.com.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Check out the website for the Center for American Values. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. They've got a great On Values presentation with Norma Donilon on October 20th. That is a Monday. And... Should be very, very interesting. She has a really an amazing story. And so that'll be great. They do all kinds of educational programs. The center is nonpolitical and nonpartisan. They're focused on these foundational principles of honor, integrity and patriotism. You can get all kinds of great information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. I've got the young whippersnappers here in studio with me, and that is producer Luke and producer Joe. Wanted to mention one thing we were talking about. Chapter 11 of Ecclesiastical Principalities by Niccolo Machiavelli. And Joe, you said that the book was written in 1513, published in 1532. Yes, ma'am. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
I got my 1500s and 1600s mixed up.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's such an easy thing to have happen, you know, Luke?
SPEAKER 06 :
They're very similar, you know. We'll just ignore the Industrial Revolution.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
A couple of things, though. We're talking about religion. And certainly, in the name of Christ, there has been all kinds of things that mankind, human nature, has justified.
SPEAKER 06 :
Famously, the Crusades. Famously.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Of course, they were going to get back some of the stuff that they felt were stolen. It was really two different things going on. The story about Christ, though, is he does not force himself upon you. He lets you make a choice. Now, granted, many have used Christ as a lever over people, control people. But Christ, in the true sense, he says you can have the freedom. In fact, C.S. Lewis has talked about that as well. We have the freedom to choose or not to choose. And so I think that's an important distinction. Joe, let's have you weigh in now as we were talking about Popes and armies and all that.
SPEAKER 11 :
So I find it interesting you just mentioned the using of Christ's name for different purposes and whatnot, because looking at my notes, one of the things that I understood within it was. The ecclesiastical principalities are usually established through appointment or inheritance. So they say they have the divine right to lead these people. They've been given the right by God. So this is why I have this power. Similarly, though, thinking about today, I was thinking about a lot of the previous presidents. A lot of them were established within a... The Green Deal and trying to be like, oh, I am very here for climate change. And in that same sense, it has given them power. But that to me is kind of the radical left's religion as well.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, good. Very good point. And I wanted to make this other point. And then, Luke, I'll go to you. We can finish this up because I know we want to get into the next subject. But so 1513 is when this is written. And in the first paragraph at the end, he says that as they are. upheld by higher causes which the human mind cannot attain to, I will abstain from speaking of them. For being exalted and maintained by God, it would be the work of a presumptuous and foolish man to discuss them. And then I go to the founders and they're like, wait a minute, we're going to discuss this. You know what? We don't believe in this divine right of kings. We're going to do something different. And so you can see how radical the founders were. But I found it so interesting in 1513 that that Machiavelli wrote that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think that's also in the historical context. This is coming at a time where if you spoke out against the church, you're getting killed, right? You are getting imprisoned and executed.
SPEAKER 09 :
Talk about force.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, which I think, you know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Freedom of speech there. Again, that point, freedom of speech.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. Which is what the founders were very, very good in making a very clear point that the government shall not recognize one institution of religion. I think they saw the writing on the wall of sort of previous issues that happened again. Machiavelli is the man writing about it, but the only thing he's writing about is verifiable historical fact. This is all history, right? Not a lot of this is theory. He's just presenting his findings and then giving examples of how these findings have been relevant across his personal experience kind of in government. So, yeah, I don't think he you know, he's not going to talk about it too much because he doesn't want to get executed, which is a small touch of irony, because I do believe he was imprisoned and then subsequently tortured for for speaking for speaking. Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think there's a real problem with that. We need to err on the side of freedom of speech, for sure. Joe, you want to weigh in on this?
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely. And I just find it funny, or not ha-ha funny, but a little unique, too. One of the biggest commandments is saying we will not find a different... ruler and like god is the one true ruler and so we are not supposed to herald anybody else and that's what we do when someone says they are divinely chosen to be a ruler but second um To that as well, look at the government that the Romans had when Jesus was crucified. He was saying, hey, I am the son of God. I am the one true one. And the Roman government basically said, no, our leader is the one true one. We're going to kill you for that. And thus the crucifixion happened.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Good point. Very interesting point. I wanted to mention one other thing, because you mentioned writing on the wall. Yes. It was a dot that I connected a few years ago. I was doing Bible reading. Do you know where it comes from? No. You guys ready for this? Yes. This is so interesting. This is in Daniel 5 in the Bible. And there's a big party that's thrown by Nebuchadnezzar. And this is from BibleStudyTools.com. It says, During a party thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and writes four words on the wall. These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Meadow Persians that very night. And that's where writing on the wall comes from.
SPEAKER 06 :
Very interesting. Isn't that fascinating? I had no idea.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, let's get over here to the next chapter, though, because you really want to get into this. And this is the different kinds of militia and mercenary soldiers. And you mentioned that... There are things happening today. So, for example, Portland is under siege. What should happen with that? Trump's saying, I'm going to send in feds. I know a lot of us are uncomfortable with troops in the city. I know. So what's your thoughts on this, Luke?
SPEAKER 06 :
On that issue in particular, I think that... It's a little ironic in a not so nice kind of way in the sense that the word insurrection being used very specifically I find a touch of irony in because that's the same word that the left used to describe what was happening at the Capitol. Good point. Interesting. The left will describe what happened at the Capitol as an insurrection in the same way the right will describe what's happening in Portland as an insurrection. Both sides will vehemently deny those claims, but both sides are still using the same argument. I think... On a very foundational level, I take issue with a president raising troops, a National Guard, against a civilian population, an unarmed civilian population in any capacity. I think it sets a very dangerous precedent because if Trump can justify this, well, the next time a Democrat gets elected, well, well, well. Anyone who has a gun, anyone who likes the Second Amendment, anyone who's waving an American flag or a Do Not Tread On Me flag, that's actually an insurrection now. We're sending the National Guard against you. There's precedent for it now. Personally, I don't care if you agree with the individual set of circumstances. I think it's dangerous as a whole. It is a bad tone to set because other people can use that same argument later down the line. I think it's... This is probably going to catch me some flack. Sending in the National Guard against a civilian population is very un-American, I think. I think it goes against a lot of the very foundational principles this country was founded on. So I take great issue with it on a very fundamental foundational level.
SPEAKER 14 :
I hear what you're saying there, Luke.
SPEAKER 11 :
Joe, what's your thoughts? I kind of agree with Luke, and I disagree. But where I agree is where it differentiates for me is the timing. So we've been... living in a world for the last four years or so where the radical left can go and destroy any city they want they can pull in migrants who can destroy our city too and we're just supposed to be like well no don't do that and then when they do it again in portland right now we're supposed to just sit around and let them keep doing that i that's where i have an issue it's like At the start, we should have... At the start, leave them alone. Well, they have proven that time and time again, they cannot behave as rational, decent human beings and treat... their states and people with kindness and decency therefore we we have to have something to back it up and that's what the national guard is for so i mean there's the the reserves the national guard and the active duty active duty protects us the reserves is more on the federal side and the national guard is supposed to defend the state generally speaking i um
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I was going to say it's a very emotionally charged argument, especially in the context of... sort of national security in which I think it is imperative to be objective as much as possible. This idea that they should behave and act morally is abstract because who then is defining the morality which justifies the violence against a group?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, but that's an interesting point. But the defining morality is to destroy other people's property. I think that could be a fact. That could be something that I hope we could agree upon, that you can't go destroy other people's property.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, I think you should not destroy other people's property. I definitely agree. But I also think there are balances and systems in place that are meant to do these things initially. When it comes to a situation like Portland, it's interesting. Not to sort of belabor Portland a little too much. But it's a good example. It's a great example. To talk about. It's a great example. Machiavelli says in his text that a nation that is armed and has good laws is going to be secure and free. And that a nation that is not armed is not going to have laws and will never be free. It mentions mercenaries, which is a bit more old school, right? We still use mercenaries every now and then. We're less above board about it. And it's interesting because it mentions that essentially using a foreign nation to fight your wars or to fight your battles is no good. Having a strong nation to fight your own battles is more well advised. But it's interesting because I feel like America has, in essence, and I'd love to get your opinions on this, America has, in essence, become almost like a pseudo-mercenary state in which we are giving our military to other people to use. It's like we have such a big military and we're letting foreign nations, right? They're our allies, granted, but we are letting foreign nations use our people to fight their wars. We are kind of, on a national scale, mercenaries of a different sort, right? We're sending our people into conflicts we have no stake in, but our allies have stake in it, so we're sending our men and women out there. It's very interesting to see us kind of be on what i believe is the other side of that and uh machiavelli says hey try not to use mercenaries but we are in essence sending our people out as quote unquote mercenaries in this capacity which is i don't know a little little interesting i don't think we personally i don't think we should be doing that um i'd love to get your your insider opinion on that though
SPEAKER 14 :
We will keep that as our cliffhanger.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I was just thinking in the way that mercenaries was stated, we have political mercenaries to the media. They generally do what they're told as long as the money kind of gives it to them. So they're doing it only for profit, whereas not for the per cause, which I find an interesting thought.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and that's a perfect segue to say support the Kim Monson Show, because we are not mercenaries. We are independent on an independent station. And I buy my airtime, so I don't have any mercenary media telling me what I have to do. So thanks, Joe. We didn't rehearse that, right? No, ma'am, we did not. Okay, producer... Luke, I do want to address this. Yeah. But you said you got a text message. Do you want to do the text message?
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure, I'll do the text message, because I think it kind of leads in. My father sent me a text message. Shout out, Tim Cashman. He said... So how do you manage a conflict when local or state police are mandated to stand down and not assist the assault of federal officers trying to enforce laws? To that I say, the burden of responsibility is on the individual to do what they believe is right regardless of a mandate. You know, if... If some authority figure mandates a law enforcement officer to shoot an unarmed, surrendered civilian and they go, well, I was just following orders, that is a poor excuse. In the same instance, if an officer is mandated to stand down and watch the assault of an individual and they stand down and watch the assault of an individual, that is also a poor excuse. Again, the onus is on the individual to do what is right.
SPEAKER 14 :
But you mentioned that, and I've got to think dinner conversations at the Cashman House are so interesting.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are. They are.
SPEAKER 14 :
So you mentioned, though, what is right. And what has happened, Luke and Joe, probably even before you guys were born, is this postmodernism, relativism, where it says you have your truth, I have my truth. What is truth? What is right? And so when we don't have a clear character definition of right and wrong, leaving it up to the individual can be dangerous, I think.
SPEAKER 11 :
Joe? Well, and I think that really comes down to the breakdown of religion, though. The Bible gives you examples of right and wrong. It teaches you, hey, the golden rule. Do unto others as you would want it done unto you. So we have this guideline, but I see half of America has just straight pushed it off to the side because they don't follow all of it. And therefore, we have kind of lost this...
SPEAKER 06 :
gauge of morals and values and that that i think really has come from the breakdown of religion because it isn't uh it's interesting talking about that as a moral guideline when we were also just talking about using religion as justification of action uh in the sense that uh if your religion believes in a certain morality then you can enforce that morality within discretion um It's interesting because it's very nuanced, this idea of individuality. Religion is a divine institution. To enforce that morality is kind of similar to what we were talking about. But religion... Islam, for example, is a religion that says it is morally justified to force women to be fully covered from head to toe. So I don't think you can use religion as moral justification. I think morality needs to be... Morality needs to be addressed with a very specific lens because if you are an individual within an institution of religion and say, well, this is moral to me. Again, those who are practicing and enforcing Islam says, well, it is moral for me to suicide bomb someone, right? You can't be blind to the potential that your own religion is in some capacity harmful to a human being. And again, that's not saying religion is harmful as a blanket statement. But if you can say something like that for Islam, well, then you have to be open minded enough to accept that something like that may be possible for your own beliefs, which is a very difficult lens to look at. But, you know, if you're going to use that argument against someone else, you have to be able to use that argument against yourself.
SPEAKER 14 :
Got to be objective as much as possible. Government within its proper role. But this came in. Thank you, Ben. He said, the radical extremists are physically attacking the ICE agents. So they are attacking. It's not like they're just sitting there. And so it says, do they not deserve... Do the agents not deserve physical protection? I would say yes. You get to the individual, I protect myself. It says the left is fully at war while the right's been asleep. In this case, force is needed to stop unlawful force. I agree, I know, though.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I'll say, how do you, again, as an objective lens as possible, if, I'll rephrase the thing, and again, I'm not going to make an argument for or against anything, the only thing I'm doing here is attempting to offer perspective, is to look at things from a slightly different point of view to see if those arguments can stand under your own personal scrutiny. If you, Kim Monson, are living under a radical Democrat, and this radical Democrat sends unmarked enforcement agents armed against you in your home to perform an action against you that you don't agree with, are you not individually justified to defend yourself against that action? It is different if a badged and named police officer knocks on your door, fully expresses the crime you have committed and why you are under arrest. It is very different if an unmarked individual comes to your home and takes you without due process or verbalization of what you have done. So again, not an argument against violence against ICE, but these are the set of circumstances that are in play. And I think as an individual, it's not as though the ICE agents are having a coffee in their home and are being attacked. These are ICE agents who are performing a series of actions that in the eye of the person being acted against is unjustified.
SPEAKER 14 :
However, what they're trying to protect is people that have come here illegally, and my understanding is ICE agents are trying to deport people that are— If there's no due process, how do you know it's legal or illegal? I agree with you. Due process is important. Guys, we're going to be out of time.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. But you know what? We're going to be able to—I looked at the next two chapters, and this is going to be a great discussion. Okay, Joe? Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, my only thought is that is what we have our constitutional rights for. But when the government is picking and choosing what constitutional rights they're going to follow and adhere for us, that's where I think we're getting into a tumultuous time is the radical left says, no, you can't have guns, but you can talk and say whatever.
SPEAKER 14 :
And to that point, Joe, is you said when... um somebody comes and knocks on your door and you have to take your gun tries to protect yourself we look down here at this colorado state legislature we talk with alicia and garcia and teddy all the time that they are using public policy so that law-abiding citizens cannot keep and bear firearms so when that guy knocks on your door you can't protect yourself that is the agenda that we're we're fighting against okay 30 seconds okay 30 seconds luke
SPEAKER 06 :
Like I said, the only thing I'm trying to do is offer perspective. I love it. Take the arguments you know you are using and apply them to yourself. Again, it's a little difficult to really scrutinize your own beliefs, but I think it is incredibly important to really apply that lens to not just what's happening around you, but to what's happening to you and yourself and in your party and spaces as well.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Thanks, Luke.
SPEAKER 11 :
We'll do this next month. Joe.
SPEAKER 14 :
be careful giving up your rights under the guise of safety we have them and we can protect ourselves that is what they're for okay tell you what these are young wise men i really appreciate it our quote for the end of this show is charles dickens he said my advice is never do tomorrow what you can do today procrastination is the thief of all time so today be grateful read great books think good thoughts listen to beautiful music communicate and listen well live honestly and authentically strive for high ideals and like superman stand for truth justice and the american way my friends you are not alone god bless you and god bless america
SPEAKER 21 :
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Join us on this lively episode of 'Rush to Reason' where we kick off with an unusual debate about polar bears and their surprising place in the hierarchy of danger compared to grizzlies. As we explore the docile appearance versus their actual threat, listeners are treated to a conversation that balances humor and intriguing insights into nature. 🚀 Transitioning from the animal kingdom to the realm of politics, the discussion heats up with a dive into the current GOP dynamics in Colorado. John Rush and Andy Pate delve into the impact of new candidates like Victor Marks and how political loyalists react to change. With engaging caller participation, this episode is a must-listen for anyone following political intrigue in the Centennial State. 🔍 The conversation evolves as we ponder over the unusual connection between avocados and political debates. As anecdotal humor intersperses with serious topics, we capture the essence of how simple things like fruit preferences can humorously tie into broader societal discussions.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, Tuesday edition Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Usually I say happy Tuesday, but yeah, it's Tuesday and it's happy. It's good. I'm happy. A little chillier today. It's Tuesday. Are you wearing shorts today, by the way? Or is it too chilly for shorts?
SPEAKER 18 :
No, no, I'm wearing shorts.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, you are wearing shorts.
SPEAKER 18 :
I wear shorts until it really gets cold out, but I am from Wisconsin.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and it's cold enough for me to not wear shorts.
SPEAKER 18 :
You know, the legs don't affect me. It's the upper body that, for me, that gets cold quickly.
SPEAKER 16 :
I've been cold all day today. Have you really? Yeah, it's just chilly. Okay. Anyways, it is what it is. So, question of the day from yesterday. During pregnancy, how much weight can a polar bear gain? And the answer is 400 pounds. That's a lot, but polar bears are big, so they show up pretty well. Or they hide it pretty well, I guess I should say. Yeah, I guess they hide it well. They carry it well is what I meant to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the old saying, well, carry my weight well. So I guess the polar bears has that.
SPEAKER 18 :
What do they eat? Polar bears. Seals?
SPEAKER 16 :
Seals, fish, whatever they can find, I guess. Okay. They're meat eaters, so.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I know they are. I'm just kind of wondering.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I mean, I shouldn't say that, don't they? Don't bears eat like berries and things like that, too, if they have to?
SPEAKER 18 :
Not polar bears. There aren't many berries up there. Maybe they eat Eskimos. I mean, has the Eskimo population declined as polar bears have surged?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, good question, but I do know this. I'd read this somewhere, so somebody, you can correct me if I'm wrong.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
But I had read somewhere that they're actually meaner than grizzly bears.
SPEAKER 18 :
Are they really?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. Because they look all nice and white and fluffy. Now, wait a minute.
SPEAKER 18 :
Are you alleging white supremacy here? That they are a terror group in the North?
SPEAKER 16 :
When it comes to polar bears.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, my goodness. I have to look this up.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now I've got to look it up. Are polar bears meaner?
SPEAKER 18 :
I didn't know they were that mean. I always thought that when I think of polar bears, I always think the Coca-Cola commercials with them. I think they're docile. So I was right. And they celebrate Christmas.
SPEAKER 16 :
Polar bears. Polar bears are generally considered meaner and more dangerous than grizzlies because they are primarily carnivores. They view humans as food and actively hunt them, while grizzlies are more omnivores who typically attack only when they feel threatened or are protecting their young. So a polar bear is the only bear species that actively stalks and tries to eat people. They eat us? There you go, Andy. They stalk us? So they are meaner than grizzly bears.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, then we should go up there and hunt them to extinction and wipe them out. What do you think?
SPEAKER 16 :
They're driven by their predatory nature and scarce food sources, making encounters with them significantly more dangerous than that of a grizzly bear.
SPEAKER 18 :
Nah, they got to go.
SPEAKER 16 :
So there you go.
SPEAKER 18 :
They got to go.
SPEAKER 16 :
They're not this nice, white, fluffy creature like a lot of people think.
SPEAKER 18 :
I mean, I'm pretty busy for the next couple months, but I think after that I can go up there and hunt them to extinction.
SPEAKER 16 :
North to Alaska. Andy's heading up. Yeah. Anyways, that's the answer yesterday. Today's question of the day, who patented the Haas avocado in 1935, and what was his profession?
SPEAKER 18 :
What's a Haas avocado?
SPEAKER 16 :
I have no idea.
SPEAKER 18 :
I'm not into avocados.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I love. It's a type, I think Charlie just said.
SPEAKER 18 :
It's a type... H-A-A-S. Well, I'll bet somebody named Haas was involved.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I would think so. Okay. John Haas. I saw a video the other day where there was this avocado that was like the size of a grapefruit. Huge.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, really?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, just ginormous, like this huge avocado, like double the size of a normal avocado.
SPEAKER 18 :
Now, you're big into this stuff, like avocados and guacamole and all that. I hate it. You don't like guacamole?
SPEAKER 16 :
That's because you're from Wisconsin.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I hate, no, no, no. I mean, my wife's from Wisconsin. She loves avocado. She buys them all the time, makes her own guacamole, makes all kinds of stuff.
SPEAKER 16 :
So why don't you like it?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, you know, the taste. I despise avocado. I don't like the flavor. Really? And I don't like guacamole.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I love it. Put a little salt and pepper on it and good to go. Serious? Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, I mean, look, most people do love it.
SPEAKER 16 :
I have it three times a week easily. It's a good fat.
SPEAKER 18 :
I've never taken to it.
SPEAKER 16 :
It's a healthy fat for your brain.
SPEAKER 18 :
It is a very healthy fat for the brain, which is why I'm so stupid. I mean, I do not like avocados.
SPEAKER 16 :
Maybe that's the problem with our party right now. Not enough avocados. Sorry. Talk about that when we come back. Okay, yeah, we can talk about that when we come back.
SPEAKER 18 :
We're going to fix the Colorado Republican Party, and it all starts with avocados.
SPEAKER 16 :
We're just going to buy them avocados.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay.
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Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
SPEAKER 16 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Jennifer, you are our first caller today. Welcome.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, wow. This is really exciting. I've listened to you guys for a long time, and I told Andy in the comment today that I don't agree with all his movie reviews, but that's okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's all right. I don't either, so that makes two of us. No one ever agrees with anyone else on all their movie thoughts.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's hilarious. In fact, that's true of married couples. Very true, Jennifer. Very true. Not a problem.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. So, yeah, I posted something, and you'd think I threw a bomb and walked away. Oh, my word. Yeah, I read some of that as well.
SPEAKER 16 :
Today I didn't comment on it, but I read some of that today. Yeah, that was a lot of fun, actually. Yes. Okay, so really quick, for those that are listening, so that everybody out there understands what the three of us, so it's not a closed circuit thing here and everybody else understands, tell everybody, Jennifer, what you actually posted, and then we'll get into some of the responses. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Well, all right. I'll just back it up just a little bit.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hang on really quick. I also got to mention this. This was not pre-done. In other words, Jennifer, you called in on your own. I did not reach out to you. This is all organic, correct?
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Okay, perfect. All right.
SPEAKER 18 :
Actually, John, Jennifer is AI.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, sure she is. Just so you know. I know Jennifer. No, she is not.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm a Russian bot.
SPEAKER 16 :
You're a Russian bot. There you go.
SPEAKER 09 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so just to back it up a little bit, I watched Victor Marx on the Sean Ryan show episode a little while back.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, I've seen that too.
SPEAKER 08 :
I thought, oh, I just need to follow this guy, pay more attention. And then he spoke at the Charlie Crook Memorial, and I was there, and part of why I went is because I want to see him in person. This is awesome. I want to go see him. So I went and saw him there, and then when he dropped the possibility that he may be running for governor, I'm like, I am totally following this. This would be amazing. So... I he announced earlier this week, actually, the first last week on the first he announced. Right. Right. Yeah. So he just recently announced. And when I saw that, I thought, oh, my goodness, this is awesome. I'm glad he decided to do that. And then I thought, you know, in advertising business and stuff, you have to do that. No, like trust. So I created a page, Coloradoans for Victor Marx, and I thought, all right, all I'm going to be doing is putting on this page things so that people can get to know him and like him and trust him. Just putting it out there, do what you want. I am all for it. So, I mean, making my stance completely clear. And then I went to the Colorado Republicans page on Facebook. And a lot of people were, yay, yay, Mark, this is great, wonderful. And I posted some comments, and I'm telling you, some people just came unglued on me. And I'm thinking, what the heck? And so it was a couple of days of that and kind of seeing people arguing back and forth and just attacking anybody that was new and saying, like, that I'm a shill for somebody or that this was all planned in advance or something like that.
SPEAKER 18 :
Jennifer, if I may really quick here, that's very common. The reason is a lot of them have already committed to other candidates. Every candidate already has people, followers, who are already committed to attacking posts that are in favor of other people. It's something they do to create doubt in the minds of the voters ahead of time. In other words, don't take it personally, and I know you don't. But don't take it personally because this is something they do to help their candidates. But like earlier, I know one of them, he follows Jason Mikesell, who seems like a great guy too. And it's just something they're going to do. They're going on there. This is completely something that they actually talk with their teams about. Okay, so you're going to go out on social media. You're going to hit all the supporters of this guy, and here's how you're going to do it. So it's normal. But let me ask you this. What do you love about Victor Marks? What... What got you on board so much that you're already this far ahead of time committed?
SPEAKER 08 :
Sure, sure. Well, and let me caveat this, too. I have not done whatever would be the full political vetting or anything like that. It's just something, maybe it's something spiritual and goose bumpy that said, hey, look more at this guy, pay attention.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's fine.
SPEAKER 08 :
But his story of coming up from the childhood abuse that he went through, how he went through all the work to kind of resolve that, how he has led perilous missions to rescue children. from trafficking, and not only just rescue them and get them out and say, see you, bye, but also working to provide and to grow them and all those things. That he's done that when nobody was looking, that to me is impressive. That to me is impressive.
SPEAKER 16 :
We're going to talk a little bit more about this even after we hang up with you, Jennifer, and I think what I really want to get into after you hang up is really get into the discussion of, and I've said this, I'm going to continue to say this, we have a problem right now in our party. Yeah. Right. Meaning that if anybody else comes along that you've even introduced, like a Victor Marx, they are dead set against them without even taking another look at this person. I mean, he's got to be from big money. He's got to be some rhino candidate. He's got to follow the money. He's got to be this, that or the other. I mean, I've seen it all. I've read it all. And it's absolutely asinine, Jennifer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and if we are fighting each other, we can't fight the real battle.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I mean, and John is talking largely about the Rhino Watchers. Correct. And there are other groups, too. Don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER 16 :
They're not the only ones, but they are one of them.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, let's look at it this way. On the other end of the spectrum, you have Barb Kirkmeyer, who's declared, I guarantee you, her followers, who are the opposite of the Rhino Watchers, are probably going to be posting about Richard Marks. Richard, sorry.
SPEAKER 16 :
Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 18 :
Victor Marks. But Richard Marks was very good in music. But about Victor Marks, she's probably going to be doing that. They're probably going to be doing that. But this is largely, John and I have watched the Rhino Watchers attack brutally anyone instantly they don't like, who they see as a threat. And they don't care about that group. does not care about winning Colorado. They only care about their power within the GOP.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's exactly right.
SPEAKER 18 :
They care about securing power within the GOP, securing nominations.
SPEAKER 16 :
Securing their own futures, basically, Jennifer, at the end of the day. Really, I should say this way. On the backs of all of the voters, and they don't care, I'm convinced, they don't care at the end of the day whether they win or lose. As long as they stay in power and keep the money bag end of things coming into them, that's really all they care about at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 18 :
And they see Marx as a threat.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right, they do.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that's despicable, and I mean, it's just despicable to play people like this. It is despicable to think, I'm just in it for me, and I'll get the things that I want, and too bad, so sad for you. That's what we're seeing the result of. I mean, it's really, in some respects, it's not Republican versus Democrat or left versus right. It is ruling class versus everybody else. It is. And we're in fighting with each other. And they're like, oh, this is fine. We can do fine here. We'll bet on both sides and we'll win no matter what. As long as they're fighting, they're diminished and we can conquer.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, Jennifer, I will say this. The fact that that group, as one... lashed out at Victor Marks so quickly shows that they see him as a very legitimate threat. It shows that they look at him and say, this guy is easily in the top two or three who could take this nomination. We've got to take him out now.
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, that's what it shows. It didn't take, and Jennifer, you probably saw this as well, and for those listening, It didn't take, I'm not exaggerating, it didn't take two or three hours of him announcing and them starting to attack him, Jennifer. I mean, this wasn't even two or three days or a week or two. I mean, we're not even that far down the road. We're just barely a week into it. It didn't take but just a few hours for them to start that.
SPEAKER 18 :
And that group is fully, Jennifer, fully coordinated. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. They immediately work with each other on who to attack all around the state. So I think it says a lot about Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Yeah. And the evil machinations we're up against.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. Yes. And again, and I will say this, and I say this every single time, until we get through a primary and there's an exact winner, then, of course, I'm going to put my name next to that person, do everything I possibly can to help get them elected. I don't endorse or do anything on the front side and the primary end of things. I never have. I never will. I mean, I think people can kind of get an idea of who I get behind as we get further along. But I will say this right now. Where we're at, it's really early. There's a lot of names. In fact, I was trying to look up to see actually how many. There was 15. I don't know where we're at today, Jennifer. There might be as many as 17 names now on our side of the aisle.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's a huge list. Isn't that wild?
SPEAKER 16 :
It's that many. And it'll get all the way down to, of course, just two or three when it's all said and done. Now, I will say this. No matter who ends up winning. The primary, and for those of you listening, yes, there will be a primary. So no matter who wins the primary, whoever has an R next to their name, I will be 100% behind them in defeating Michael Bennett because he will most likely be the primary candidate, the winner, I should say, on the Democrat side. I will be behind whoever has an R next to their name, regardless of whether I was actually in favor of that person on the front side or not. When it's all said and done, I'm voting for the R period.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sure, sure. And I get that, and that's what I've done.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now, really quick, Jennifer, all that being said, do I like Victor? I do. I mean, I like everything about him. I like his background. I like his stance. I like where he comes from. I have a few concerns that I'll talk about here through the second half of this first hour. Not huge concerns. I think there are things that can be overcome. The biggest thing that Victor needs to be... sure of and i'm going to say this openly and maybe people like you and others can get this message to him because i don't know him on a personal basis don't even know who to reach out to to even have a conversation but i think the biggest thing he needs to be careful of is making sure he's getting guidance campaign wise from the right people do not listen to people that have done this in the past and failed look at this completely new and have really solid strategy moving forward
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree. I agree.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's my advice to him.
SPEAKER 18 :
You know, and let me add to that, if I will. Go ahead. And then we'll talk about it after the break. But, Jennifer, Victor Marks, the compelling thing about him is his entire life has been not about Victor Marks but about other people. Okay? He is an others kind of person. Now, Colorado Republican candidates have traditionally talked all about themselves and not about the market. Okay, not about us, not about the people, not about those they hope to serve. They don't talk about the customer when they're trying to make a sale, and that's mistake number one. And so my concern is, while it's very, very, very inspirational what Victor has done in the past, my concern is I hope he isn't always talking about himself. He needs to talk about the customer going forward. And I think he will, by the way, but we have had some very recent candidates make that mistake, and it didn't sell.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 18 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 16 :
So if you or anybody listening can get some of these messages to him, I mean, we're here to help any candidate, by the way, and I've got advice for a lot of the candidates, frankly. And the issue with me personally, Jennifer, is we've got to have a candidate that's extremely bright. extremely powerful when they're speaking. They need to be dynamic. They've got to be able to answer questions that the press and others would throw at them. They've got to be good in debates because those are coming as well. In other words, you've got to be able to actually go on air with Kyle Clark and win. That's my point. I mean that sincerely. That's a sincere thing I'm saying, and that has to happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, right. And I think one of the key components I'm looking for is somebody who will stick to their guns, that will be courageous.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. But keep in mind, being courageous doesn't win elections. I agree with you and I'm in your camp with what you're saying. But you have to. Yeah, you have to get elected. You've got to be vibrant. You've got to be everybody's friend. You've got to be talking to those folks in the middle here in Colorado, especially to let them know this is what I'm going to do for you when I'm governor of Colorado. Right. And you've got to be able to do that. If you can't do that, don't run. But at least for now, it's very exciting. I agree. You know, it's exciting.
SPEAKER 18 :
It's exciting to have a guy. And by the way, I can say this about a few of our candidates. There are some wonderful people on this list. Yeah. But it is exciting.
SPEAKER 08 :
I followed as well.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, yeah. It's exciting, though, to have a guy who, honestly, his character is absolutely bulletproof. And that's a great start.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. I can't disagree with that at all, Andy. You're right. Anyways, Jennifer, you keep your chin up. I know that sometimes social media and the folks that are out there can get really antagonizing. I don't know how else to say it. They attack. It's ridiculous. I'm sorry that that's the way it is, but you keep doing what you're doing and keep posting the things that you're posting, and we're on your side.
SPEAKER 08 :
I will. I will. Thank you guys so much. You're very welcome, Jennifer. It's an honor to be here today.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, appreciate you very much. Thank you for joining us. And, yeah, that was all organic, folks. We did not, you know, I didn't reach out to Jennifer and say, hey, why don't you call in today about your experience on, you know, social media with some of our other knucklehead GOP leaders that are here. And I say leaders. I get it. They're not necessarily leaders as in they're not on the quote-unquote executive committee. No, they're not Britta Horne. No, they're not the vice chair. I get that, okay? But they are. And it might even be a quasi way of being leaders, but they're still leaders in the party, Andy.
SPEAKER 18 :
Look, I was at the state central committee meeting. I'm not going to go into it in any depth again, but I will say this. Over 60% of those who were there were the rhino watchers. And I'm telling you what, that's incredible power over the party at the state level, and that's a real problem.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we're going to come back and talk a little bit more about that, Victor, maybe some other candidates as well. I'll try to see if I can't get the entire list. I'm sorry, I didn't know that we were going to really head this exact direction to have the entire list, or I would have had that prep prior to coming on air. But I'll do my best to find that during the break. Victor Windows and Doors coming up next. And Dave Bancroft is there to help you with your windows and doors, and he can save you money by going direct to the manufacturer. That's what he does with Provia Windows direct to you. Call him today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back talking about the governor's race here in Colorado. Granted, there's an entire year before this really, you know, before the election, I should say. It will be next November. So it's a year plus a month, roughly, that we've got. But a lot of people are starting early, and rightfully so. So I've got a list of all the candidates. This is as of November the 3rd of—or sorry, this is as of last week, I want to say. Okay. This is on ballot— And this gets updated periodically. So if somebody that you do know is running isn't on here, don't blame me. Blame them. It's just not up to date. Go ahead. American Constitution Party, Stephen Hamilton. May I? Let's just talk Republicans. No, I'm going to list all the people that are running, just really quick. Okay. Kelsey Hyken, No Labels Party. Abbas Yaya. Bomba, No Labels Party. Sean Bennett, Unaffiliated. Willow. Colomar, Unaffiliated. Charles Evanson, Unaffiliated. Marla Fernandez, Unaffiliated. Justin Ganu, Unaffiliated. Shanti Jones, unaffiliated. Marcus Marty, unaffiliated. Jarvis Ray, unaffiliated. Bradley Wall, unaffiliated. Matthew Yaris, unaffiliated. On the Democrat side, of course, Michael Bennett, Carmen Brosder, David Hughes, Anthony Martinez, William Moses, Daniel Thomas, and of course, Phil Weiser. That race will come down to Michael Bennett and Phil Weiser. That first list, by the way, nobody there will win. amount to anything. No, they will not. But I mentioned them anyways. And there'll be some, by the way, that are even on this Republican list that won't go very far either. Mark Baisley, Scott Bottom, so I've interviewed both of them. Bob Brinkerhoff, John Brooks, Jason Ray Clark, Bryson Garrison, Stephen Guess, John Gay Ginsburg, Joshua Griffin, Barb Kirkmeyer, Greg Lopez, who's ran many times for governor of Colorado. Rabin or Rabin Mahanty, Vaughn Marks, which again is Victor Marks, which we just talked about. Will McBride, Jason. Mike Ursell, Robert Moore, and Alex Magatu, Katie Pierce, Jim Rundberg, and Kevin Wimbley. So on the Republican side alone, we have got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. Yeah. I think I said that yesterday that we had 20 candidates.
SPEAKER 18 :
But we're not going to have 20 when it comes next June.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, no, no.
SPEAKER 18 :
By next June, you're only going to have four or five that are even mentioned in any way, shape, or form.
SPEAKER 16 :
Let's hope.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, and let's face it. What are the big ones? Okay, I believe you've interviewed two of them. Bazley and Bottoms, I think, are both going to be.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, Mark and Scott are big.
SPEAKER 18 :
They're both going to have their contingent.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Clark, maybe he's done some things politically speaking in the past. Is he a good runner-up as far as actually making it through a few things? Probably. Barb Kirkmeyer, she's got her own fan base, so she'll be one of those that will also be up there. Greg Lopez, of course, will be up there. So you may have four or five, to your point, that will actually make it all the way through next summer.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and you're also going to have some who draw off of each other.
SPEAKER 16 :
And hang on. I forgot. We also have Marks now. So that'll be the sixth. And I forgot about the sheriff of... Was that Mike Sell? Yeah. Yeah. So you got him as well. So I forgot about him. Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
And I like him.
SPEAKER 16 :
I like Jason Mike Sell. But here's... Actually, really quick. I like all of them. Oh. No, I do too. If there's anything about them that I don't like, I'll say this publicly. And Barb, I love you and I've interviewed you, but sorry, Barb, you're in it for yourself. And I've met you many times and I can get that vibe from you just by sitting across the table. Barb's in it for Barb. Sorry, I'm just going to be honest. Guys, you know me. I've always liked Barb. I like Barb, but Barb's in it for Barb. Barb, you're not in it for the people of Colorado. I'm sorry to say that. You just aren't. I've known you. I've watched what you've done, your actions. You are a true politician through and through, and unfortunately, that's not going to bode well getting across the finish line in your own party.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, you know what? I'm going to give you a slight bit of disagreement here. Okay. Not that I know Barb personally enough to make that call. I don't. But I know a lot of people who hear John Rush... and who think he's so businesslike, he's so driven, that this is obviously not a guy who is personally invested in other people. They don't know John Rush behind the microphone.
SPEAKER 16 :
No.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, without the microphone. Right. And I think that that could very well be true of Barb, too. Could.
SPEAKER 01 :
Could.
SPEAKER 18 :
And that's all I'm saying. Her public persona, though, I would say she is very businesslike. She is a politician through and through.
SPEAKER 16 :
She is.
SPEAKER 18 :
She's very smooth, very skilled. And it does come off like, you know, I'm not that personal. She is the anti-Victor Marx.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. Okay. Victor Marx.
SPEAKER 18 :
Victor Marx is this just instant connection with your heart.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
Your soul. Okay. By the way, we have not had that in a candidate here before. And I don't know how long.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, we have not.
SPEAKER 18 :
He is a totally unique animal when it comes to adding into this field. One of the big things that I think is going to be interesting is how the various people in this field affect each other. First of all, I'm just going to say right out, I think Victor Marks wipes Barb right off the map. He's going to take away from her support dramatically. He has a much more inspirational theme, and yet he is going to be accepted by her more establishment wing of the party. Victor Marks also appeals to both wings of the party, which is going to be a real problem for some people. I think Greg Lopez and Scott Bottoms and Mark Baisley all hurt each other quite a bit.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and we can talk about each one of those. And by the way, I've known Mark, by the way, forever. Love Mark dearly. He's a great guy. And he's skilled. As far as his principles and his ability and all of that, he is as solid as it gets. There's not a thing that I would ever worry about Mark wavering on. He's a guy that can get things done and handled. Scott, Scott's a great guy. The problem is with Scott, and Scott, I love you dearly, and I've interviewed you as well. You're too much like me.
SPEAKER 18 :
Scott Bottoms, his personal views are too much like Andy Pate and John Rush. He can't get elected. I don't think he can possibly get elected outside of a deep red district.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I love the guy.
SPEAKER 18 :
And really quick here before we go to Mary on the line. Right now, who do I think is the safest-looking candidate on here? It's Mark Baisley. Who do I think is the most exciting-looking candidate on here? It's Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 18 :
So we'll see how it goes going forward.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right. Mary, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 18 :
I'm good. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm good. Hi, Mary. Hi. I was doing a little grocery shopping, happened to turn on the radio, heard you talking about Victor Marks and the other candidates. I have a couple things I wanted to say about it in terms of the election that's coming up. It's going to be super intense. I feel like Victor Marks is the, you said, exciting candidate, but I think it's more than that. I think he has a history of battle in a lot of different arenas, and I think the contest that's coming up is going to be pretty intense. And I feel like the Democratic Party has gained a ton of ground. They don't want to give up this state. They will pour everything into keeping hold of this state.
SPEAKER 09 :
You're right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Agreed. And in terms of the other candidates that are running, I know Scott Bottoms, he's doing amazing work, and he's very conservative, and I believe he's authentic.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 07 :
Do I believe he could take the state? Nope, not for one second. Agreed. I don't believe at this point in time... That's possible. But Victor Marks, he has enough name recognition that people are going to be paying attention. And you know what? You don't. necessarily have to be the greatest Republican governor ever. You just have to be better than, you could be the worst Republican governor and still be better than the current Democratic governor. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 16 :
Really quick, Mary, to go along with what you just said, you could rattle off, sorry, I could take anybody that I rattled off on that list, the top five or six candidates I just rattled off, any of those are better than what we have right now.
SPEAKER 07 :
Indeed. Any of them are. Can they beat the next Democratic potential? No, that's the problem. No, they can't. Well, Mary, really quick here.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sorry to interrupt, but I want to hear more of what you're saying. But honestly, what I hear you saying is this. We cannot choose a candidate because he agrees with me the most. We have to win. Whoever he or she is, this candidate has to win a majority of voters in a blue-leaning state. Okay, that's the candidate who has to win. They have to appeal beyond the base. And I mean well beyond the base. Half the state's voters are unaffiliated. That's what we have to be looking at in a candidate.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. That's exactly right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I think he can get that in terms of when you talk about women, because the relationship with his wife, he promotes that a lot. And with the military, he promotes that a lot. He promotes safety. He's promoting safety. Conservative ideas, yes, that I think a lot of people, especially in the current climate, just recently with the Charlie Kirk, how do I, well, execution is the word that I would use. He was executed. You're right. Currently with that climate, I feel like Victor Marx is... vocal enough and strong enough and unafraid to challenge anybody who comes his direction. He will say what he thinks, and people like that, they're going to be drawn to that, kind of like Trump. Way back when he was first running, so many people I talked to, they were like, I can't vote for Trump, I can't vote for Trump. Yeah, you can, and you need to, and I talked to everybody I possibly could, and because he was going to be the candidate because he was logical and he made sense. There were a lot of, let's say, Christians who were like, oh, no, no. But that actually, I believe Trump is being used for the Republican Party to move it forward in the right direction. Do I agree with everything? No. Does anybody agree with everything everybody does? No, absolutely not.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 07 :
But if you have a candidate that's strong and vocal and... There's some power there. There's some name recognition there. And I think he can do it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. And by the way, he's very different from Trump. And that's a good thing in Colorado because Trump got, let's face it, he got blown out in Colorado both times. Okay. Trump would not sell in Colorado. We already know that.
SPEAKER 07 :
He doesn't. Well, yeah, yeah. The elections that went on. No, there were some shady stuff going on, but whatever.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, no, no, no, no. I'm fine with saying there was some shady stuff, but not enough to account for that that large a disparity in the numbers. Here's the basic thing, though. Victor Marx is much more soft spoken than Trump. And that actually sells better in a state like Colorado than Trump would. And every politician has places where they sell best. Trump is magnificent in the upper Midwest, for instance, where Republicans have been getting creamed for years. Trump sells great there. So different politicians just sell better in different areas of the country. I think if Victor Marx would sell better in Colorado than Trump.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree. And if we can... If we can get enough people to get behind one candidate instead of splitting things and really dividing. I mean, it seems to me like there's so many people that are in want to be governor. But let me say this. There are some people who've been in the race in politically in the race. And they're like, oh, Mr. Marks, you're thanks for coming on board. But you're a little late. You're just now showing up. I 100 percent disagree with that. Maybe not, you know, as a candidate, but oh, he's not too late. I mean, there's not at all.
SPEAKER 16 :
It's a year out, Mary. People that are saying that are knuckleheads. They don't have any idea what they're talking about. Even politically speaking, they don't know what they're talking about. He's got plenty of time. He's fine.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, actually, I think being an outsider is kind of an advantage.
SPEAKER 16 :
He's fine. There's no issues there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be great.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now, the other thing I would like to see, before I let you go, Mary, and this I'd like to see, for all of you listening, any of you that have connections to any of the candidates, I want to pledge, Mary, from every single Republican candidate that says this. Yep. If I lose in the primary... I will put my full support upon that primary winner, no matter who that person ends up being, whether I like them, don't like them. But I will, and I will get my supporters to agree to do the exact same thing, that at the end of the day, whoever has an R next to their name, we are in full support of them. I want every campaign to say that and to pledge that. And by the way, you're not going to get that done, but that's what I want.
SPEAKER 18 :
Now, and John and I will unofficially call this the anti-Ron Hanks pledge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. I want these people pledging their support for whoever wins the primary, Mary.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. I'm sure you're going to voice that in the next year to come.
SPEAKER 16 :
I also could see some candidates that are on that list grabbing their supporters or having some people that are maybe, you know, maybe not them, by the way, but some of their supporters saying, oh, yeah, there's no way I can support that rhino. There's no way I'm doing that. And then we lose. There's no way we're going to win if that happens.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, OK, that sounds absurd to me, because if there's anybody who's not a, quote, rhino, who is a Republican in name only and votes against Republican ideas and Republican philosophies, that would be absurd because everything Victor Marx has shown that I've seen for the past years is very typically Republican focused.
SPEAKER 16 :
Agreed. You are correct, but you need to go read some of the social media stuff that Andy and I are reading because that's not the way a lot of the folks inside the party look at it, Mary.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, well, sir. There are people out there right now, even today. I'm going to tell as many people who will listen.
SPEAKER 16 :
You need to, because there are people out there today commenting on Jennifer's post, who was just on a moment ago, commenting on the fact that, you know, Victor must be, you know, a plant. He's got to be, you know, he's got to be there by the rhinos. It's big money. It's this. It's that. I've heard so many things, Mary, in the last week. I want to throw up, and I'm not exaggerating.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm sure you're right. I'm sure you're right. It's ridiculous. And that kind of goes back to my point that we talked about or that I mentioned earlier about him being in the midst of battle and not just not just in like literal battle in a battlefield in war, but battlefield field of ideas, battlefield of different people having different concepts. When you talk about Christianity, people don't like to talk about that. I think he will. I think he will do it in a wise way where he doesn't alienate. non-Christians, where it's just logical, logical morality. And hey, we can't do this, et cetera, fill in the blank.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree. I agree. And I'm with you, Mary. I think that I was excited when I saw it. In fact, as soon as it was announced, I sent Andy a text. He can verify that. And I said, hey, check this guy out. I think this might be an actual solid candidate moving forward. Andy and I started doing some investigative. We'll talk a little bit more about that through the show today. But Mary, you and Jennifer both, I can't disagree with either one of you at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. Well, thank you, friend.
SPEAKER 16 :
You're very welcome, Mary. Thank you very much. Keep up the good work. Keep talking about it, and we will see how things proceed. Let's take a break. We'll come back. We've got plenty to talk about. We're not going anywhere, by the way. Anybody else that wants to comment on this, we'll have a little bit of time left in this hour. Then I've only got a couple of guests through the next hour each, and we'll have plenty of time to talk about this and many other topics as well. Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Al Smith, talk to Al today. Go to klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Several text messages coming in, by the way. Some saying that there's no way that a person like Victor could win Colorado. I highly disagree with that, by the way. It's all going to depend upon how he handles things moving forward. Somebody else said that we need a Trump-like candidate because that's the kind of candidate we need in Colorado, that things here have changed. No, folks, I'm sorry. It hasn't changed that much in Colorado. Trump performed very poorly there. in the last election here in Colorado would perform poorly again if that election were held today. While we have seen some shifts in Colorado and some folks are wanting some differences, they still don't want a Trump.
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It's not.
SPEAKER 18 :
People take it as we are anti-Trump. This really angers me. I am MAGA through and through. I have MAGA through my veins. I think Trump is the greatest president of my lifetime, and it's not close at this point. I am Trump, Trump, Trump. Folks, I'm one voter, okay? I am not all the voters of Colorado. I'm sorry, but overall, the unaffiliateds here in Colorado who are half the state's voters, they lean left. They do not like Trump on average, and every single poll shows that. I've never seen Trump. anywhere near having a positive outcome here in the polling in Colorado. That's just the way it is. Now, a few things really quick here about Victor Marks, because he could get tripped up. One thing you've already mentioned very well, consultants. If Victor Marx is taken over by the same kind of consultants who ran the campaigns of like Stapleton, Beaupre, Ganahl, look, all of those wonderful people. I love all three people. OK, I do. But all three of those candidates, what did they do? They talked about themselves and not the customer. All three of them did. Not the market. They did not go to the market and say, this is what you want. You deserve this. You deserve this. You deserve this. You deserve this. Every one of them talked about what? Here's my past. Here's what I did in my life. And here's my inspirational story. And they tried to go on that. And everybody, you know what the market was saying? you're asking me to buy a product. Can we talk about me and the product? Right. Okay. Right. That's not going to sell. So first of all, don't go with those consultants. Number two, if he has a misstep on a major issue, let's say he says he wants to outlaw abortion in cases of rape.
SPEAKER 16 :
I don't think he ever will, by the way. I don't either. I think he's smarter than that.
SPEAKER 18 :
I'm using that as an outlandish example, okay? But if he were to say that, that'd be the end.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I agree. I agree with you.
SPEAKER 18 :
So, you know, you have to, you could say, well, you know, but I believe that the child is just as valuable, the child of rape. Guess what? I agree with you.
SPEAKER 16 :
I do too.
SPEAKER 18 :
I'm talking about what sells in Colorado.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think what he'll come back and say, just kind of listening to him and I can't put words in his mouth, but I think he'd be the kind of guy to say he he'll pivot. He'll come back and say, you know what, Andy, great question, but here's the deal. We love people. And, and as much as I, you know, I really want to make sure that that particular situation, that girl, by the way, in this case, who may have suffered something along those lines, number one, I've helped individuals like that. I've helped people get out of those particular situations. I've helped girls that have been enslaved in those situations. The reality is I've been there. I've seen it. I've been next to them.
SPEAKER 18 :
And that's the difference with Victor Marx.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's what he'll have. No one else will have, by the way.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. He connects with people's hearts. We have not had a candidate who connects with people's hearts from the Republican side in any major race in Colorado for how long?
SPEAKER 16 :
By the way, to finish that story, I think what he'll also add into that is let me tell you a story about a girl that I knew that found herself in the exact same situation as that.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, but he better not do it too much. You do too much of that, people are going to say you're dodging it.
SPEAKER 16 :
He'll only have to do it once or twice because then he'll be able to say, you know what, I've answered that question in full. Let's move on to the next question.
SPEAKER 18 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think, by the way, this is some of the things to your point a moment ago. These are things that he's going to have to be coached on to do this correctly, because the old way of doing it's not going to work, folks.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. You know, you've got people calling in or saying we need somebody like Trump. Actually, what we need is somebody much more like Vance.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
Vance sells much better beyond the base to the Colorado kind of voter. And here's another big thing. And if I were Victor or people around Victor, I'd be telling him, study Vance and study Rubio and how they interact in interviews and how they interact in debate.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, even Vivek has come out late and said, listen, we can't respond to the left like we have been.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
We've got to be doing this differently if we're going to continue to win hearts and minds.
SPEAKER 18 :
By the way, Vivek is another great example.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, so Vivek, those three, really. And I would toss in DeSantis. He's a little, you know.
SPEAKER 16 :
He's a little more Trump-ish.
SPEAKER 18 :
A little more Trump-ish, but he also does do some incredible things. Look, Victor Marx is a very inspirational story. Let's close with this.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 18 :
Can Victor Marks reach people that traditional Republican candidates in Colorado have not reached?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. Yes, he can.
SPEAKER 18 :
Does he raise our chances of reaching beyond the base and winning in Colorado? Absolutely.
SPEAKER 16 :
If he gets good advice and stays on track, yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. But if he has those consultants get him into running the same kind of campaign we've seen and just trying to package that campaign around his personal story, he'll get clobbered.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, he will.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's not going to work.
SPEAKER 16 :
You're right. You're right. And let me add one more thing to that. If he gets enough people around him that get him worrying too much about pacifying some that are on the right— He also loses. He's got to do what he needs to do to reach the middle. I think the right, you can get to come along as you let people like us work on some that are on the right and let Victor work on the middle. I think that's a winning strategy. Don't worry about the right. Let us worry about the right. Victor, you go get the middle. Right. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, it does make sense. In other words, don't alienate the Rhino Watch crowd, but don't throw yourself on the floor bowing down to the Rhino Watch crowd.
SPEAKER 16 :
You can't do it. And here's what I'm going to say.
SPEAKER 18 :
Look, the Rhino Watch crowd doesn't sell in Colorado at all.
SPEAKER 16 :
And here's what I'm going to say about that. Sorry, Rhino Watch crowd. If Victor reaches across... the middle and gets enough middle of the road voters enough enough of those unaffiliated voters to vote for him here's the reality your vote doesn't matter anyways it won't it won't count because there's not enough of you to make any difference i hate to say that but you well actually i'm glad to say that andy you don't make a difference at the end of the day no you think you do but you don't
SPEAKER 18 :
No, because they're trying to sell rage, and rage only sells to a small percentage of the population in Colorado. It's not going to work.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, it won't work. So I do think that's one thing that I would advise Victor to do. So, again, some of you that are listening, that know him, that even have called in and talked about it, if you've got any way, shape, or form of getting close to him and giving him some advice, there's our advice for him. All right, we've got two more hours coming your way. That was a fast first hour. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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All right, hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. A lot more to talk about as we get into hour two. Those of you texting in, I'll do my best to get those answered as quickly as I can as well. They usually come flying in, and I haven't even read all of them, so I will do my best to get those handled and get back to you guys as quickly as I can. Remember, when I'm on air, I still do my best to get those answered, but sometimes it takes me just, Andy, just a tad to get those answered. Well, you're also doing a show. Well, I'm trying to organize everything at one time, but that's all right. Ann VanderSteel joining us now. Ann, welcome. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 10 :
I am great. How are you gentlemen doing?
SPEAKER 16 :
I'm very good. We usually have your co-art, Maureen, on. We've had you as well. Co-founders of American Made Foundation. Before we get started, talk about the American Made Foundation and what you guys do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you so much for that opportunity. Yes, American-Made Foundation and American-Made Action are our 501c3 nonprofit and our 501c4 action arm. We are focused on education, specifically on your constitutional rights. We have been very hyper-focused on child protective services for the last better part of a year, really trying to rein in the overarching tyranny that has been extended through your taxpayer money coming out of the Health and Human Services Division of Social Security Administration funding 50 states of child protective services, which really amount to child trafficking, because in the end, the majority of these cases don't even meet the legal threshold to have children separated from families. So we've been educating folks who've done documentaries, written hundreds of articles, But now we're filing lawsuits on behalf of families through our American-made action arm. So that's really what we're focused on at the moment.
SPEAKER 16 :
Awesome. All right. Talk to us about Pfizer. I did a little bit last week. Didn't get into super depth when it comes to the drug price thing that they've put together with the White House, the Trump Rx website. Talk to us about that. And what are your feelings? Is that really going to make any difference? Is it going to stay the same? What are your thoughts there?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, so really, to me, this is more about red meat for the American public because it's coming to light very quickly that the pharmaceutical industry, along with a few lobbyists, really control Congress. And so Congress has not been working for the American public for quite some time. And when every commercial is brought to you by Pfizer, we now understand the media propaganda arm. What we're seeing now and what we're hearing, frankly, is people, while they understand the need to reduce the price of pharmaceuticals, the American taxpayer has been subsidizing the rest of pharmaceuticals for the rest of the world for quite some time. They're still not over the COVID scam, and people are recognizing overarching the studies that are coming out. Now that we have large, massive cohort studies worldwide that are exposing, the Pfizer jab was deadly. Was it really safe and effective? No. That has been being proven time and time again through some of these very big cohort studies worldwide that these studies really started across in the other countries, and now they're making their way here to the United States. So people are upset. You know, to see the CEO of Pfizer in the Oval Office was upsetting. While we are grateful for the bread and circuses of getting reduced drug prices and no longer shepherding and funding pharmaceuticals for others around the world, people want accountability. They want to understand what happened, why we were continuing to mandate, why the corporations were given a pass, and why Fauci is still walking around freely when clearly Fauci and the Department of Defense with their own Pfizer document dumps knew that these shots were not safe and effective. So America is not comfortable with that aspect of it. And I think they're really looking for accountability. I think Americans have moved past right now. We're seeing our economy is still trying to come back from the Joe Biden presidency. And so we're really looking for more than just financial accountability. People want answers as to as to what happened with with covid and why we were tweeted the way we were.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and I agree with you 100 percent on that. But really quick here on lowering the prices, because obviously Trump is demanding most favored status nation status for America to where we're not, as you say, funding research for everybody else around the planet. OK, so let's say Pfizer comes out and they do lower prices. The drug costs for Americans cross the board and basically follow what Trump is saying. Aren't a lot of people going to be pretty angry, though? Aren't they going to look at Pfizer and say, so what were you doing with the money up until then? So are you telling us that all of a sudden you can cut our drug prices by 50 percent? What were you doing before? Yeah, good question, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
I couldn't agree with you more. I think their question speaks for itself. It's really rhetorical, isn't it? They have been putting the screws to the American people for decades right now. And as I said, we've been funding, you know, inexpensive pharmaceuticals for everybody. And that has been really what Americans have been doing with taxes across the board since 1913 for the introduction of the income tax amendment. which, as we all know, was passed in the dead of night without a quorum. So really, when you look at everything the federal government has done since they started really incorporating the federal government and using the Federal Register Act, And, you know, the acts of essentially weaponizing the agencies against the people, bringing the foxes into the hen house from industries that they're supposed to be regulating so that they can pass on the pricing to America and basically subsidize the rest of the world. Yeah, Americans are pissed and they should be. They absolutely should be. But, you know, take it one step further. When we are now giving people a shiny object of, hey, you know, America, it's all going to be good. You're getting reduced prices. Are we not still addressing the issue of the mRNA platform, which is what brought the COVID shots and poisoned a lot of people and created a lot of problems by rearranging your body's ability to make spike protein out of control, which is causing this inflammation and myocarditis and turbo cancer and all the other side effects of diseases we're seeing right now that are coming out in these massive studies all over the world? We are not addressing what Pfizer is still producing, which is the ability to manipulate your DNA. It's not it's not that's not going to fly with the American public. And frankly, that's what we're hearing. The blowback is coming back. And frankly, the executive branch and Congress needs to deal with this. And, you know, we're in trouble right now because, frankly, we don't have a judiciary that I think is really exciting with the American people. And they're not looking at law. They're not adjudicating based on law. They're legislating from the bench.
SPEAKER 16 :
Agreed. Yeah, I agree with you on that one wholeheartedly. Absolutely. Yep, you're 100% correct. Okay, so one last question because one of the things, too, that I would like to see happen, don't know if there's any progress in this, but I've heard Robert Kennedy Jr. talk about this. You talked about the pharma ads earlier and the fact that that's really all you see when you watch a lot of TV. My feeling is those things need to go away. Is that going to happen?
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, you would think with, frankly, where are we with the Smith-Munt Modernization Act, right? Why is it completely just made, we should reverse that. We should go back to Smith-Munt. We don't need to modernize it. We didn't need to turn the mainstream media into a weaponized propaganda arm for psychological operations against the American people through our mainstream media, which is what the government has done. When you look at what agency government has done from censorship and the Communications Decency Act where the Ninth Circuit wholly and frankly ignores the interpretation of Section 230, the immunity clause, basically protecting all platforms when they want to exercise censorship and use agencies. Remember, these agencies and their instrumentalities, meaning their other corporations that they farm the business out to, like the fact-checkers and so forth, they're all basically government agencies, and they've been allowed to be weaponized through the Ninth Circuit, protecting all of technocracy in Silicon Valley. So if we don't get control of what is being said on television while they're punishing the rest of us that are opposing what is being said on television and taking away our ability to have freedom of speech, then we are losing our country and our First Amendment is completely at jeopardy. So this is where Congress needs to step in. This is where the Department of Justice needs to stand by President Trump's two executive orders acknowledging that the Communications Decency Act, Section 230, specifically Clause C-1, is absolutely on the mark. It's 100 percent right. They need to force, through the DOJ, the Ninth Circuit to do their job, interpret that clause properly. and stops weaponizing technocracy against us, stop the censorship. Once that happens, then the watershed moment happens for America and the truth comes out. Getting rid of Smith-Munt would be a big step.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah. Let's face it. They've been allowing these platforms to act as publishers and editors. That's right. That's not their job. Correct. OK, that's not their job. But all they're doing is they hold a portion of the public square. They're not supposed to edit what's in it. And the moment they do that, they should be subject to a whole different set of laws. And they haven't been right.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's well, exactly. And the problem is they're misinterpreting the Section 230 C1 immunity clause. specifically in the Ninth Circuit. By the way, just for juxtaposition, in Federal Circuits 3, 4, and 5, there were similar cases to the one that I'm talking about referencing in the Ninth, Fick v. Facebook, Jason Fick. He went to the Supreme Court three times after Ninth Circuit dismissed the case, so he appealed and went to the Supreme Court, never getting due process, never getting heard. In fact, his case, which went for a writ of certiorari for the request to be heard, has three cases. amicus briefs attached to it. Ours, our foundations, as well as General Flynn's foundation, and another amicus brief. Do you know they opted to take a case of a single man in prison, a Rastafarian with dreadlocks, who the prison ward was threatened to cut his hair? And he said, no, you can't cut my dreads. I'm exercising my religious freedoms on our First Amendment. They decided to hear a case for one man versus a case that affects 350 million people. So, again, the courts are a problem. We need to fix this through real, you know, simplify the elections, paper ballots, same day, voter ID. We'll get a temperature of America here very quickly when we know what's what. We stop using these machines that are clearly being rigged and being proven to be rigged. So that's where we are.
SPEAKER 16 :
Awesome.
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SPEAKER 16 :
No, I appreciate it. Ann VanderSteel again, American Made Foundation. How do folks find you, Ann?
SPEAKER 10 :
You can hit me up at annbandersteel.com or at annbandersteel on any of the social media platforms. I'm there. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 16 :
Always a joy having you. Thank you very much. Say hello to Maureen as well for us. We appreciate you.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. You all have a good night.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right. We are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. OK, kind of dovetailing into what we were talking about a moment ago with our last guest. Let's talk a little bit more about the governorship here in Colorado. It will be a big race. Our last caller, Mary, last hour, I think really did a good job of alluding to what we're going to be up against. This will be, you know, I know we say it every time, one of the biggest elections that Colorado has seen. But, you know, the last election, I'm sorry to say. We didn't have any real solid candidates that were running against Polis. And I'm not trying to be rude here. And if there's anybody listening that know any of the individuals that were running, this is not to be rude, but I called that race. And this is where even I and our last caller might disagree some. In Colorado anyways, while I would love to see paper, not mail-in, ballots that are actually done same day, voter ID, the whole nine yards. Yes, I would love to see that. You're not going to get that.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, the market doesn't want it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I would love to see that, but it's not going to happen. But I will tell you this. I was one point, and I'm not bragging. Andy knows because we had a contest in the last governor's race here in Colorado. I was one point off of calling the race from Governor Polis to Heidi Ganahl. I was one point off was all.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because we both thought she was going to get clobbered. But I thought she would get in less than 15 points. You said, nope, over.
SPEAKER 16 :
And given that, and I was only off one point, how could the machines be the problem, folks? How could mail-in voting be the problem, folks? I mean, I'm going against a lot of you that – and again, I am for going in that direction if you could ever get it done in Colorado. But with our current voting system, I was still only off by calling – calling that election, I was only off by one point when it was all said and done. So my question to you all is, is how can all of those systems be that far off when I called it so accurately?
SPEAKER 07 :
They can't, and they're not. OK, I'm sorry, but those systems have been tested quite a bit, John. And I'm not saying there's no fraud here in Colorado. I'm not saying we don't need a better system. I'm not saying you would have. But the numbers simply don't indicate any kind of wide disparity.
SPEAKER 16 :
And this is where I get frustrated because you're always going to have some fraud. You could have same day voter fraud. Voter ID, people have to register correctly, blah, blah, blah. You could still have paper ballots. Even the counting of, you could have fraud when it's all said and done. Folks, trust me, humans are sinful. We do things that benefit us on a daily basis, and that's never going to change, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, these people who deify paper ballots, have they never heard of Fulton County with boxes of votes, boxes of ballots? Come on, guys. Come on. You can cheat with paper just fine.
SPEAKER 16 :
Andy, you can cheat anyway. You can cheat. Yeah. And it's going to always happen. Men are fallible. We're sinners. You're going to cheat. Well, and Democrats will cheat. So we do the best we can. I'm sorry, but they love to cheat. So we're going to do the best we can to overcome that. But my point is, here in Colorado especially, how could I pick that race within one point? when there was all this cheating going on.
SPEAKER 07 :
You couldn't.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so... Unless you were very lucky, and that's... And I wasn't lucky.
SPEAKER 16 :
I had it pretty well paid. Moving forward.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, looking back at Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, let's go back to... And by the way, this is true for all the candidates. No matter which candidate we're talking about, I think this is going to be true for all of them. And if any of you are candidates or you know a candidate and you're listening... These are the things, and I wrote this down just a moment ago. I didn't do this ahead of time as we were getting into this topic. I just quickly, through our last conversation in the breaks, I wrote these things down. And I want to see what Andy thinks of this. But these are the things that I think, topically speaking, if you're going to run for governor, you've got to make sure you've got a good handle on. And I know this is going to go against the grain for some that might be listening, but here's how this is going to work. And by the way, this is in no particular order. We maybe could prioritize these and say, okay, these are going to be your top three or top four. But I have one, two, three, I have six things on here that I feel are big issues that whoever's going to run for governor needs to talk about. Number one, homelessness. Agreed. That's a big deal to a lot of people that don't feel safe walking around their own towns, their own cities, their own communities because of the homeless population and how it's blown up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And before you go on from that, and I don't mean that you're going to treat it gently. I mean, people are going to want to hear real answers.
SPEAKER 16 :
What are you going to do to get rid of our homeless?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah. How are you going to handle this? Look, most Americans are going to want a very Trumpian approach to this, which is very simple. You are given these choices.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. We're going to clean the streets up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. You will get off the streets. Our businesses will not have the homeless in front of them anymore, period, end of story. We are going to spend the money to have places where we can house you and you can get treatment. You will either go into those places or you will go to prison. That is your choice, but you will not be allowed to be homeless on the streets anymore. It is not fair to the businesses paying the tax.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. The next one is, of course, in Colorado, the high cost of living. This includes housing, energy, insurance, a lot of things that are affecting us day to day. And some of these things might even dovetail into that, which I would even throw another line item on that would be, you know, property taxes, which is affecting everybody's cost of living. Even those that rent high property taxes eventually get passed down to that end user, which is the renter in that case. So high property taxes. My feeling is, by the way, if I were governor and I was running, I would propose that, and some states have done this, I would propose that we need a cap on property taxes, period. They cannot go higher than X. Your mill levies for your schools, guys, can't go any higher than X. You're going to have to figure out, school boards and so on, how you're going to handle things budgetarily speaking with a cap on property taxes. You're no longer going to be able to just have runaway taxes like you've had in the past. Right. That's ending.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I would say that the other thing for affordability, you mentioned earlier, energy. I would say this, and it's very simple. Bang for the buck. Yep. Okay? We are going to give you the most energy for your dollar, period. End of story. We are not going to force you to pay for other people's agenda.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right. That's right, which this goes to what Andy just said. This also dovetails into the whole health care end of things. That's a big deal to the majority of people in Colorado. We've got to figure out a way to reduce the cost of health care and what it takes to keep your family healthy. And by the way, there's all sorts of things. We've got doctors that you could rely on, like Dr. Scott and others, that you could go through and show, listen, we can lower the cost of health care. This isn't that hard to do. Next two I've got, by the way, quality of life. The quality of life in Colorado isn't getting any better. We've got to improve that. As somebody running for governor, that would be something that I would focus on. In fact, Andy, that might be my number one thing that I would move to the whole top of the list is quality of life.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's great, but it's kind of general. Do you mean like crime? What are you talking about?
SPEAKER 16 :
I think all of what we're talking about dovetails into quality of life, and that's exactly how I would say it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because, by the way, I think crime is a big one right now.
SPEAKER 16 :
It is. And the Republican position on crime really sells. That goes back to the whole homelessness sense of things, by the way. I think you could do homelessness slash crime because it's one and the same in a lot of cases because a lot of the homelessness creates crime. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I think you can tell this sells across the board. You ask voters. When your life is in danger, when there is a threat to you or your property, do you call a cop or do you call a social worker?
SPEAKER 16 :
Lastly, and this one's a big one for you and me both, Andy, but I think it is to a lot of Coloradans because this even affects rural America, roads and transportation. Huge. That's got to be one big bullet point that's on your campaign is how are you going to handle transportation in Colorado? Fix our roads. Fix our bridges. Make it easier to get from A to B. And no, I'm not talking about mass transit. How are you going to help me physically get from A to B faster?
SPEAKER 07 :
And I would be hammering away with two words, more lanes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, more lanes. How are we going to do that? How are we going to get what we have fixed? This is big in rural Colorado. How are we going to fix the lanes you guys already have? Because rural America, or sorry, well, rural Colorado, but rural America. In Colorado, though, it's the rural areas that are really suffering the most from a lot of the policies that have happened down here at the Capitol. How are you going to fix those things?
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. More lanes, fewer potholes. It's real simple.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Marty, go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Gentlemen, shalom and thank you for the time. I mean, no trouble, but the state of Colorado is about at that rock bottom moment. I know I think you, John, had maybe mentioned that maybe it was a Victor March too extreme to get that middleman.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, no, no. What I said was what Andy and both have been saying is I think of all the candidates we have, he's probably at this point, and I don't know him that well. Time will tell how well he does in regards to his campaign and so on. But right now, I think he's probably the best candidate to reach the middle out of all of what we've got.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, beautiful, John. And I'm actually seconding you with that because, you know, we're really the Democrats have done this to themselves because they've propped up such a you want to talk about a wild to the extreme candidate. That's Jared Polis. Yes. You know, and his policies have shown and it's led to the decay.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is such a beautiful light for the state because this is an extreme. This would be in a very extreme situation. a shift in, certainly, spirituality for Colorado. And I think that that's so much more attractive when you are faced with dealing with extremes, meaning I have to choose from this essential guy who's going to sign off on the pedophile, or who's going to say, no, no, you need to repent and go to church. I think they're going to start to dip their toe in that more pure, righteous sense if they are, in fact, in the middle. And, guys, if you actually even believe our votes count, I mean, that we're going to get rid of all this shenanigans of, you know, mail-in voting. You heard my answer on that.
SPEAKER 16 :
You heard my answer on that a moment ago, or maybe not. You might have been calling in and talking to Charlie when I was saying that. But, Marty, my answer back to that comment is, then why was I only one point off in the last governor's race in picking it? If there's that many shenanigans in Colorado, and by the way, I'm not saying there aren't any, but if there's that much widespread shenanigans, why was I only a point off in picking the last election?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and I think why you're doing that is you're also always factoring in a spread.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I'm not. No, I'm not. No, that last election, I knew right off the bat. And Andy and I had a contest. I got a cake out of the deal when it was all said and done that Andy was kind to get me. But at the end of the day, I didn't factor any spread of any kind in that. I know. Here's the difference, Marty, between, I think, myself and a lot of other folks that are on air. Maybe not all, but a lot of other folks that are on air. I know Colorado. I'm a native. I talk to a lot of people. I know what people want when it comes to a candidate in the state of Colorado, and I feel like I know that better than most, Marty. That's why I was right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and also, if I may, Marty, John and I, we were looking at how that campaign was being sold, and we said this absolutely will not sell to the Colorado market. I thought it was going to be bad. John thought it was going to be worse than bad, and that's why he nailed it. And it was. It had nothing to do with fraud. I don't know, even if the Democrats who I believe love fraud, I mean, any party that is against voter ID loves fraud. But even a party that loves fraud, I don't know if they bothered in that election. Why would you?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and even in the last one with Trump, Marty, we picked some other races that were extremely close, Gabe Evans and others. And frankly, we picked those on the front side as well. And again, Andy and I were not that far off and no, we're not counting for a spread. So given that we're not that far off in predicting who wins and loses, how is it the machine's fault? How is it the paper ballots fault? How is it the mail-in voters fault? Marty, answer that for me. Yeah, we said Evans would be within a point. And he was.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. I'm willing to hope and beg and pray that they are sincere, that we're actually counting. I don't want to think that the government is in there doing that, so I'm not debating that part. I guess what I'm saying to you guys is that the suburban person – because supposedly Jared Polis won Douglas County, and I don't meet – I'm in Douglas. I don't meet that person very often, but I guess the person, John, guys, that voted for Jared Polis in 22 – Instead of hiding it all, they could pick a Victor Marks, or are they going to go with the Phil Weisers, the Jenna Griswolds? You turn that guy—
SPEAKER 16 :
It depends on how he runs this campaign, what he talks about, and what he focuses on. But I will tell you that some of those voters that probably did, in fact, vote for Polis because they didn't like – I'm sorry to say, but Mad Moms didn't sell. You come out at the very end of your campaign saying, you know, this is the Mad Moms campaign, Marty. You just turned a ton of your voters off.
SPEAKER 06 :
Guys, how well does gay Jewish man sell? Give me a break. Actually, in this blue state, not bad.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and let me finish, because he doesn't come off that way, Marty. To the middle-of-the-road voter, he doesn't come off as – because Jared Polis, by the way, he is the ultimate snake. No doubt about it. That guy hides his true identity so well that nobody really knows who he is, Marty. That's how he does it.
SPEAKER 06 :
True, true. I agree with you 100% on that. And again, now start to look for the fruit. Maybe people have been burned that they have to ask that follow-up question. I've got to kind of see some fruit of this. And if you were looking for fruit on Jaren Polis, but not hearing what he said, just looking for fruit, there's no way you'd make that vote. You wouldn't.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I think now what's happened, again, because it's his second term, he didn't care exactly what he did at the end of the day. When it was all said and done, all bets were off. It was his second term. He didn't care anymore. And you really saw what he actually produced for Colorado, which was taking us down the toilet.
SPEAKER 06 :
It's in the toilet. It's probably not going to survive eight more years. You guys give it a shot. Eight more years. No, I can't. No, no.
SPEAKER 16 :
Marty, we are already at a point where and I do think that we're we have a window. And this is what I talked about yesterday. There's some polling even that shows us we are at a window where they're are enough, especially of that middle-of-the-road voter that, back to what I was talking about with property taxes, they're tired of that. They're tired of seeing all this money go out the window and the education of their kids get worse and worse. They're tired of seeing all of this nonsense with transgenderism and so on. And, yes, they're very frustrated. And we do have a window right now. But if our side doesn't handle things correctly, if we let this hardcore, you know, rhino watch bunch run things, Marty, we're screwed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Fair enough. I just hope that we're at a point now is that we've had enough and we're over it. Hey, it was we were a rebellious teenager. Mom and dad were right. And that's coming back to the conservative side. That's coming back to the center. And so these moms that got all caught up in the trans, maybe they've come to reality. the folks that were all into the BLM and the fires and the destruction, they might have snapped back too, now seeing how good things can be when law and order starts to come back somewhat. So, hey, good stuff, guys. Good stuff, Marty.
SPEAKER 16 :
I appreciate it very much. No, thank you. Go ahead, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, I'm going to give a cautionary tale to both you and Marty here for a moment. The top issues that really propel Democrats to winning here in Colorado have not changed. No, they have not. Number one, abortion. Okay. This is a very pro-choice state. I'm very pro-life. I'm being honest about the market. It is a very pro-choice state. I think all of the Republican candidates are pro-life. That's going to be a problem. Environmentalism. This is a very stupid state when it comes to environmentalism and energy. Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
And it's going to take a very good salesman because don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER 16 :
You're going to have to teach. You're right. No, you're going to have to educate and teach. That's right. You're going to have to say, listen, guys, do you realize that when Governor Polis took over, your energy bills were X. You were paying X for a kilowatt hour versus what you're paying today. You were paying X for BTU of natural gas then versus now. This is what's happened in the state from then versus now. And I want to reverse this.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I would also say you had this many oil companies who had headquarters here in Colorado, and now you only have this many. It's been cut by like two-thirds. It's an absolute disaster of jobs, okay? That is what you're going to have to do. But those are huge issues. You would think, well, no, no, no. The economy is always number one, not here, okay? The economy in Colorado, and I know people will disagree. If you do polling, they'll say the economy. They're lying. Most of the women in our state... Only care about the abortion issue. I'm telling you it's true. So right there, before you even get out of the gate, you've lost 45% of the vote right off the top. Before you even get started, John. It is that big of a deal here. Okay, so what I'm saying is this. Can we win in Colorado? Yeah, but it's going to take a New Jersey style perfect storm. Like they're seeing right now in New Jersey is, The Republican there should lose by 10 points. It's going to be within two, I believe. Okay? It's going to be that close. It's a perfect storm. We're going to need a perfect storm here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 07 :
And we're going to have to overcome those things, those kind of issues.
SPEAKER 16 :
Part of your perfect storm, though, this time around, and I don't know if any of this polling I read yesterday talks about this, but the one perfect storm you have in Colorado right now is... Because I do believe Michael Bennett's going to be the Democrat candidate. You're going to run against, and I said this the last time around when we ran against him on the Senate race, you're going to run against one of the literally weakest Democrat candidates. He's the most well-funded, but he will be the weakest actual candidate they could possibly run. Meaning, in that sense, we do have a grand opportunity because literally Michael Bennett can't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. I'm not joking when I say that. Totally true. He's awful.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, absolutely true. And John, he crushed us. He did. Okay. He is an awful candidate. But because this state has gotten that blue on those key issues, okay, on those key issues, it's gotten that blue. Because of that, this awful candidate annihilated us. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Now, we have some huge advantages right now. The Trump economy is turning around. It's going to be booming next year. The Charlie Kirk thing. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER 16 :
You could dovetail right into that one easily.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right now, a lot of Americans are looking at the left. Especially young Americans. A lot of Americans are looking at the left and saying, why do you hate, you hate free speech enough to kill somebody who used it? Right. And they're looking at the left and branding them. And also, they're looking at the left and just saying, and then you, you people on the left are dangerous. You scare us.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead. No, I think that needs to dovetail in to be one of your top campaign things that you talk about all the way through this, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Absolutely. Free speech, not violence. And I mean, right now, the right is the side of free speech and not violence of nonviolent free speech. The left is the side of violence over free speech. OK, and we need to be selling that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, we've got a lot of things that we can sell. We've got a lot of ways that we can win a lot of votes. I believe crime is huge. Well, I believe you are listing some very huge things. And by the way, we've got to talk about roads. And it's got to be simple. It's got to be packaged. It can't be some long, drawn-out thing. No, no, no.
SPEAKER 16 :
All of these have to be simple, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, four words. More lanes, fewer potholes. More lanes, fewer potholes. And from there, you can explain it from there, but you've got to get their attention right up front. I'm telling you, these people in Colorado want more lanes, fewer potholes. Okay?
SPEAKER 16 :
And keep in mind, folks, again, I've got to keep reminding everybody, those of you that are hardcore on the left, you're going to vote your way anyways. It doesn't matter. Yeah, you don't count. You guys that are far right, you're going to vote your way anyways. You don't count either. It's that middle-of-the-road, unaffiliated voter that you're talking to when they're sitting in their car in traffic frustrated or they're going to the shop because their alignment's knocked out because they just ran over a pothole. I can go down the list, folks, of people that are in that segment that are going to be looking at those issues saying, yep, you know what? You're speaking my language.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
And those are the people you've got to talk to, Andy. As we both know, those are the people you have to talk to.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. Now, there are some issues that we're not going to be able to dodge. You're fine. Keep going. We're good. Keep going. And here's the big one, immigration.
SPEAKER 16 :
I didn't, but I should have put that on my list.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, but there is no dodging. Now, the good news is it's a 60-40 issue on our side right now, at least 55-45. Yeah, you're right. The American people do want illegal immigrants to be removed. They do. Now, what I would do is I would not be hardcore on this. OK, I wouldn't be hardcore because Colorado is very liberal on this. OK, but even Colorado overall leans in our favor. So what I would do is simply say this. We're not going to protest when ICE comes here. We're simply going to report to them. Here is somebody in the prison who is undocumented. You can have them. We're not going to protest, but we're also we don't work for ICE and just leave it at that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and really what you really need to focus on is we're going to focus on those hardened criminals that are here that have been committing crimes. They are at the top of the list. They have to go.
SPEAKER 07 :
And at that point, you've got a 70-30 issue.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's right. All right. We'll take a break. We'll come back. Got a couple calls coming in. Golden Eagle Financial. Al did a great interview of late. Listen in. You can find Al at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 08 :
TJ here with KLZ and Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. And Al, I have a question for you. I've been putting money away for a while in a savings account or maybe a couple of investment accounts, but what am I doing wrong and what can you do better than that?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think a savings account is important because all the financial gurus, including myself, agree you should have three to six months savings that you have ready liquid access to. But retirement planning is a bit more long-term and And it's a bit more strategic. We want to take a look at the sum of money you'll need way into the future. And we want to look at how that money can last by providing you income for as long as you live.
SPEAKER 08 :
What kind of planning or strategy do you provide for folks with that that have a big savings but haven't made that next step?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, that's a good question. If someone has a large amount in savings, one of the things I do is we have a conversation about their risk tolerance. Nobody's comfortable losing money, but having money in the market over a long period of time is a mechanism to accumulate wealth. And so we talk about the different levels of risk and the different products that are available. And we don't put everybody into one box, but I have an enormous assortment of financial products. And it's not that there's good ones or bad ones. It's there are some that are more appropriate for some people, but not for others.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that sounds excellent. How can folks get in touch with you for that meeting?
SPEAKER 13 :
You can reach me at 303-744-1128. And if I'm not there, it goes to voicemail, but I return my voicemails promptly. And we could have a conversation in the office. If you live a considerable distance away, we can have a long phone conversation or a Zoom call, whichever you would prefer.
SPEAKER 08 :
And as always, you can find him at klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, thank you, TJ. Thanks for the conversation.
SPEAKER 08 :
You bet.
SPEAKER 05 :
Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason. All right, we are back. Susan, you're next.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hi, John.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, Susan.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, so I just wanted to comment again on the abortion issue. I texted you, but, you know, for the Republican candidates, if they are pro-life, which Republican they probably are, and as I said in the text, yeah, there's so many conservative women who choose to vote on that topic alone.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And so as... As a Republican woman, conservative, the best thing that they could do, I feel, is say, yes, this is what I believe on abortion. However, I won't take away your right to choose and leave it at that because they're going to lose.
SPEAKER 16 :
If if they don't go, like I said earlier, I really feel like in Victor's case, given the fact that he's close to a lot of these circumstances, he's going to have to pivot on that particular situation and say, yep, I'm pro-life. I believe life is valuable. I believe that every life counts, by the way, whether it's in the womb or it's in the nursing home. It doesn't matter. All life matters. And then he needs to share a story of somebody that he knew that was actually in that particular situation, which, by the way, he'll be able to do better than any candidate if, in fact, he becomes that guy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Well, good. Susan, I think we have to keep in mind, while there are a lot of Republican women who would say, I'm going to vote for you because you're pro-life, I agree with you. That's not going to sell in this state. This state is probably 70-30 pro-choice. And so what I would do is this. You've got to be honest and upfront. Am I pro-life? Absolutely. Do I believe that all of my beliefs must become your laws? Absolutely. No.
SPEAKER 16 :
Similar to what Susan just said.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. In other words, and I would say, in other words, we've had a real problem. We've had a governor here for the last eight years who wanted every single one of his beliefs to become your law. That's right. I don't see it that way. Exactly. I don't see it that way. I don't want all my beliefs to become your laws. I want to unleash you. I don't want to control you.
SPEAKER 16 :
And really quick, one thing you could dovetail in, and I think this also resonates with people because they're seeing now what the outcome is. of some of our bad decisions in Colorado were. His husband is the one that pushed the Wolf Initiative through on the ballot initiative and is still big on that. And that's another example of what Andy just said. You know, he and his husband both pushed their beliefs upon you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, they did. And with friends and family who are ranchers on the Western Slope, That's a disaster.
SPEAKER 16 :
It has been a total disaster. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it's a disaster.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that's another one of those where you could quickly go from talking, you know, you can see what we just did. The question was abortion. But now I'm talking about wolves when it's all said and done. And you could easily pivot through that and move on to the next question.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And if I may, there's another thing you can do with this. You see, Susan, there are some actually very popular positions within the abortion issue that we can take that if we say, look, I don't want my that. I'm a pro-life activist. I don't want my activism to be your laws. I don't want my activism imposed on you. But. By that same token, I don't want a pro-lifer to be forced to pay for somebody else's choice, okay? I don't want their activism to invade your wallet.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and the other thing that's big, even in the abortion, the folks that even believe in abortions, is few of them love and or support late-term abortions. That's another thing you could run on very easily.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, that's very true. That's very true. And I'm just going to make one more comment before I leave. Go ahead. If any of the candidates, the Republican candidates, are listening, they need to hire John Rush and Andy to be their consultants.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I texted that to you, too, because obviously the ones they're working with aren't getting Republicans elected.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, part of that problem is, Susan, and for those candidates that are listening, please hear Andy and I out on this. The reason for that, Susan, is because what works in a lot of other states doesn't work here. And those same consultants will take what worked in Oklahoma or Florida or Texas and they want to bring that here. It's not the same state. You can't do that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. That's why I hired John and Andy.
SPEAKER 16 :
We'd love to help. There you go. Appreciate it, Susan. Thank you for your vote of confidence. I appreciate you greatly and love you. Thank you very much, Susan. I appreciate that. John, go ahead, man.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, guys. How you doing?
SPEAKER 16 :
I'm good. How are you?
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm just enjoying your last two hours. It's been enlightening. A couple of quick things. On the property tax... But to fix that, the governor doesn't have as much power as getting enough people in your state legislature that are willing to do it.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that's something that he's going to have to – that person would have to mention that. And I was thinking the same thing, John. Several of these, even the abortion thing, same situation. The governor themselves don't set policy. They can now – keep this in mind, though. What a lot of governors can do, polls included, is – you get those people that are in that legislative body that are on your side to basically whip things through, quote unquote. That's why it's called whips and so on, is because they encourage them to run certain legislation. And trust me, the governor does more things behind the scenes than most people realize.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely. So like last year, we pushed our legislature the last time we elected him. property taxes it was the biggest issue yep we got out of our legislature a 25 property tax reduction nice it was beautiful i got my bill last week i opened it up and i was very pleasantly surprised at how much my taxes went down but it's not permanent so you have to elect the people that are going to make it now we're going to put it on the ballot to make it permanent but what i'm saying is Those are the people that need to be elected. And I think with everything that's going on in Colorado, you might not be able to flip the senator of the House, but you might be able to get it where they don't have a veto proof, you know.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. legislation well and john really quick here if i may john it was really brilliant up there to make it's really brilliant up there to make sure that that is not permanent because what does that make it it makes it a big issue every couple years that is damaging to democrats because now that you've lowered the cost of the property taxes how many democrats every democrat's going to want to raise them that puts them under the gun right going into an election what's hilarious is every
SPEAKER 04 :
legislative session in Wyoming, one of the Democrats from the city of Laramie or Teton County, which is where Jackson is, will bring up that we need a state income tax. They bring it up every legislative session and it never goes anywhere, but they will not let it go. But in Colorado, your governor keeps saying, well, I'm lowering state income tax on your Right. But he's increasing fees on everything else. So if you add up all the fees, it comes out to the same thing.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. You're right. One other thing real quick. I know I'm running out of time. I have said this to my senators, Democratic senators that are on. I have asked every single one of them. I'd love for you guys to hear this question out. When they say on the Democrat side, we got to fix health care. I have asked everyone that has said that in a response to their Twitter feed, what is the number of the bill that you sponsored to fix it? Because all that's happening with this health care thing is they're just keeping it. They don't want to fix it so they can use it like they're using it now in the shutdown. We're going to shut the government down. Nobody has, and that's either on either side of the aisle, has sponsored a bill. to say we're going to fix this health care thing that happened during COVID and it's going to expire. So they're all... I got no use for all of them because they're all hypocrites, I think.
SPEAKER 16 :
Can't argue that. That's just me, Ben. Can't argue that. John, I appreciate it. Really quick, before we go to break, here is Michael Bennett's top things that are on his website, by the way. Building Colorado's future affordable homes for every family. By the way, that's typical Democrat easy speak. That's what they'll run on. And my question, if I were somebody running against it, would be, how are you going to pay for that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. How are you going to pay for that, Michael? That's a great goal. But how are you going to pay for that? Number two, keeping Colorado kids safe online. OK, great. No offense. That's not really your job as governor. That's the job of the legislature. So you're talking about some overarching thing that, frankly, at the end of the day, might work, might not work. Building opportunity for Colorado. OK, those are big words. What does that actually mean?
SPEAKER 07 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly. Again, these are easy speak things. Standing up for Colorado, another one that doesn't mean anything. Making progress in the Senate. Okay, well, you're not going to be a senator, so that's not going to make a hill of beans. But again, whoever's running his campaign needs a dose of reality as to what Coloradans actually want. But I hope it stays this way, so don't tell him anything along those lines. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning right now. They've got a great furnace tune-up special. Talk to them today. Go to klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, Andy just said through the break, which you can't hear, that the left is going to paint Michael Bennett out to be this guy in the middle, this chess piece that's in the middle, this middle-of-the-road guy, which what our side is going to have to do is prove and show through his voting record and so on that, no, he's an extremist. He is a hardcore lefty through and through, and you've got to show that he is nowhere as close to the middle as... at all and somebody's gonna have to come out and show that on the campaign trail yeah basically here's where you are here's where his votes say his that's exactly right all right another full hour coming your way rush to reason denver's afternoon rush klz 560
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Dr. Josh McConkie, decorated U.S. Air Force Reserve commander and author of Be the Weight Behind the Spear, joins John Rush and Andy Peth to discuss a pivotal leadership meeting at Quantico with Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. McConkie shares candid reflections on standards in military leadership, calling out senior brass who fail to meet the very expectations they enforce. The conversation dives deep into leadership accountability, micromanagement, DEI policies in the military, recruiting challenges under the Biden administration, and the cultural shift toward merit and strength now underway. Later in the show, callers weigh in on constitutional education for service members, VA bureaucracy, and the need to return to moral and constitutional foundations. In the final hour, John and Andy dissect Colorado’s GOP “Rhino Watch” faction, the open primary debate, and the future of candidates like Victor Marx in the state’s political landscape.
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SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
And we are back. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Welcome back, Dr. Josh McConkie. How are you?
SPEAKER 14 :
I'm doing very good. Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Always a joy having you. You are U.S. Air Force Reserve. You are a former decorated commander, emergency physician, author of the book, Be the Weight Behind the Spear. Talk to us about what happened here recently in regards to, and we talked a little bit on air, by the way, Andy and I both did, at Quantico, the meeting they had there. Talk a little bit about that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Boy, I tell you, as a former commander, I prided myself on holding my people to the standards, and we built a fantastic team. I separated three people for not meeting those standards. And when you see senior brass, these generals and senior military leaders that don't meet that same standard, it's like they have their own little private standard. That just deteriorates morale.
SPEAKER 07 :
As you know, it's not good leadership.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, it's terrible. How could you possibly expect someone to respect you if you yourself can't even meet those standards? So that was really Pete Hegseth, our Secretary of War, his little come-to-Jesus moment with senior leadership. And they either meet the standards or there's the door. Thanks for your service.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, Josh, first of all, I just want to thank you for being in the right branch of the military. I'm an Air Force vet. There we go. Josh, I just want to ask you, when you're talking about meeting the standards, I know that he was talking, Pete was talking about the physical standards. What are some other standards in leadership that you think people need to meet and maybe they're not meeting in our military?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, so we've got the physical and the appearance standards. You know, when you're 50, 60, 70 pounds overweight, you're coming to your captain's flight dock, strong-arming them to get a profile, you know, so you don't have to do fitness testing because your knee hurts. Well, guess what? Your knee hurts because you're 50 pounds overweight. You know, get out there and fit test. And just those basics in leadership, you know, holding people accountable. You know, if you can't hold yourself accountable, you can't hold other people accountable. You know, taking ownership of problems, not passing that buck. And for me, the really big one is not micromanaging. So, you know, taking responsibility as a leader, if you make a bad decision, if you're having to micromanage someone, guess what? That's on you. That's on you. You made the bad. That's right. You made the bad decision. So you either have a lot of mentoring to do or you got to show them the door. You can find somebody else. That's right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you're probably a leader. You're probably a lousy trainer if you have to micromanage everything they do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. And that's that's personal ownership.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Yeah. You're one or two. And I talk about this coaching other businesses. Josh, if you're a micromanager, you either a won't allow anybody to do anything, never give them the freedom, never empower them to Andy's point, never train them how to do things correctly, meaning you've got to always be involved. And the reality is those are people that micromanage are just. Poor, poor leaders. As you know, Dr. Josh, at the end of the day, you can't lead any kind of a large-scale organization being a micromanager. It just can't happen. It's impossible. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and if you are at that level of control, your people aren't growing. And when something happens, they have to make a decision on their own. They're not capable of doing it. That's correct. They're not empowered to do it.
SPEAKER 06 :
You're right. You know, I believe, Josh, that when you have people micromanaging, when you have leaders who do that, they're sending a very clear message. I don't trust you. And so the question, and I've had to ask this of a number of managers, why don't you trust your people? Clearly you don't. But I want to get a step below this. Why don't you? What is it? Are they not trained well enough? Do you not trust their character? What is it about them you don't trust? And when they take a look in the mirror, a lot of times they're saying, you know what, maybe I just should. Maybe they are trustworthy. I'm just maybe the problems with me. I don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, everybody knows. Bad leadership, right? Sometimes when you try to describe, gosh, what's a good leader? And you think about, wow, I guess they were their great leader. When you've had someone really bad, that micromanager, that one who wants all the glory and just sacrifices their people, you know, it's, oh, yeah, okay, now I know what good leadership was. Just don't be this guy, you know?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and frankly, and this is not to pump up our president, but you talk about good leaders, and as much as he does some things that I don't necessarily agree with and probably wouldn't do even as a leader, at the end of the day, though, all said and done, he is a good leader in the empowering of others end of things, I should say. Dr. Josh, I know the grammar is not great with what I just said, but at the end of the day, he is an empowerer. He is not a micromanager.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I'll tell you, I couldn't be happier with the military. It was a very difficult four years under the Biden administration. You know, I follow civilian leadership. I uphold that constitution. I kept my mouth shut. I disagreed with about everything that was going on. And now we're moving in the right direction. And you see how responsive the entire country is. The recruiting. I mean, people are clamoring to get back to the military because we're finally a fighting force. And we're stopped the laughingstock that we had turned into with crazy DEI initiatives. You know, China and Russia don't have DEI in their military. You know why? It doesn't work. Yeah, you know, so we're back to where we need to be, and you're seeing all the results.
SPEAKER 06 :
Dr. McConkie, and I'm sorry, I go back and forth between Josh and Dr. McConkie. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. How damaging do you think the woke policies were in the military? Because basically they were flushing merit at every turn. I mean, how damaging do you think it was and how much of a change do you think it is going forward?
SPEAKER 14 :
It was very challenging and I thought very damaging as well. And you saw that in the people that were – we didn't have the quality of recruits. The numbers were way, way down.
SPEAKER 07 :
We were struggling to get recruits, I believe, Dr. Josh, if I'm not mistaken.
SPEAKER 14 :
It was. It was terrible. They were missing by like 100,000 numbers-wise. And when you don't hold people accountable and you start promoting people just to fit quotas and DEI initiatives – that just destroys the team around you. because the one thing I love about the military and I prided myself in my squadron day. Number one, I don't care where you came from. I don't care what color you are, your creed, your sexual orientation in this squadron, your character and your merit matter. Like period. I, that's what I love about the military. We had wonderful diversity and people met standards and exceeded standards. And, you know, we, we were kind of a model for the wing. We did very well. I was super proud of that team. They only gave you three years at command. I, You know, I was very sad to leave, but it was kind of one of those, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. So I've moved on to emergency management.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. When I went in the military, basically, I realized I went in because I knew I was there to kick ass, not fill a quota. All right. I was there to be great.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I grew up watching Full Metal Jacket and Platoon.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. It's like we're back to that. When you saw that Iran mission, we are the only country on planet Earth to execute that level of mission with B-2 bombers under total secrecy, taking out that nuclear facility. That is what people want to be a part of.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it's interesting you say that, not to belabor this and go a long time, but I was reading something. My son and I were going back and forth this morning on just different things when it comes to the fight between Ukraine and Russia and so on and the fact that there's some scuttlebutt around that we may be actually putting some Tomahawk missiles in the hands of the Ukrainians. And if that does, in fact, happen, probably will change the course of that war because of the technology we have there that, frankly – Josh, no one else, no other country has, to your point, that's the kind of fighting force young men and women want to be a part of.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, and they take great pride in that. And when you become part of something bigger than yourself, like that level of a team doing it for your country, you know, I've carried body bags of heroes off the battlefield. I served in Iraq in 2007. And, you know, those are the things that I am by far the most proud of, just being part of that kind of team. Well, go ahead, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
What is the general thrust behind be the weight behind the spear? What do you mean by that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that's my personal leadership ethos. You know, as someone who's been very fortunate to work with special operations, you see the tip of the spear. And I was medical director for PJs, Combat Search and Rescue. These individuals jump out of airplanes and helicopters into the most dangerous environments on earth and do things that you only see in movies. Every single one of them has someone in their life. When you talk about the weight behind that tip of the spear, it's teachers, coaches, volunteers, families. That is what sets America apart. The weight behind their spear, that tip of the spear, is what gives them the confidence. And this book is my call to action for Americans to just engage their communities and be a part of that because it matters.
SPEAKER 06 :
know that's really impressive because i hear from so many people i want to be the one out front right i want to be the face one i want to be the lead singer in the band whatever i want to be the tip of the spear and nobody ever thinks about how are you making other people greater how are you the weight behind their spirit great i think it's great yep thank you absolutely i i know i asked this last time you're on but how do folks get the book
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it is available on e-book, audio book, and the paperback. You can go to Amazon, Barnes & Noble, have a website, weightbehindthespear.com, W-E-I-G-H-T, weightbehindthespear.com.
SPEAKER 07 :
As I said last time, it's a joy having you. You're welcome anytime. We'll keep having you on, Dr. Josh. We appreciate it. Thanks for your service, by the way. We appreciate it. Thank you very much. You're very welcome. Appreciate that very much. And again, great book, and you guys can get that. He just mentioned where to get that, and I would highly suggest, especially if you're looking for some good leadership material, go buy that book. Fleshlock coming up next, 303-806-8886.
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SPEAKER 16 :
Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush. All right, we are back.
SPEAKER 07 :
Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush. Eric, you're next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, John. Good to hear.
SPEAKER 07 :
How are you, Eric?
SPEAKER 13 :
Beyond the air as usual. You know, that bet flip sounds very good. And as you know, I am prior service. I really believe in upholding standards, setting standards. Something that I feel we as a nation have fallen short of is when our service members swear an oath, it's to uphold and defend the Constitution, uphold and defend all of our founding documents. And we have failed to teach the significance of these documents, the contents of these documents, and how they set our nation apart to all of our leaders. We don't teach it enough in the NCO academies. We don't teach it enough in the officers' academies. And this is something where I feel we as a nation, our troops, would have more honor, integrity, and pride in doing their duties if they actually knew what they are sworn to uphold and defend.
SPEAKER 06 :
Eric, that's a really good point. And another reason it's such a good point is we get deployed all around the world, right? We get deployed at Inzerleck. We get deployed at all these places. And I think it would really help people to understand the special nature of what they are representing, right? when they are overseas. When you're at a base overseas, you're generally not at war. You're generally not fighting, but you're always representing your country when you're in that area. And I think that would be very important for them, maybe all of them, to go through some classes or courses that say, hey, here's what you're representing. Here's why America is so special.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think I want to add one thing to what you two guys are saying, which I don't know how we would institute this, but this needs to happen at all levels. at your local municipalities, all the way up to folks that serve as President of the United States. Every single politician, as a part of them getting sworn into the oath of office, should be required to take some course, Eric, along the lines of what you're talking about. As a part of their office, you're going to take this, I don't care how many hours it is, but you're going to take X amount of hours on the Constitution, what it means, our founding documents, and so on. These are the things that you're taking an oath to uphold. Absolutely. And before you take that oath, you're going to do X, Y, Z before you take it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. No, I've felt that a lot of times where, you know, these people, they're clearly in office and they do not know.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, they don't. They don't know what the documents even mean.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. Yeah. They have no idea. And, you know, if I may. Yeah. So what was it a week and a half ago when I called in and I was talking about, you know, we're talking about physical standards. I didn't want to imply at that time that our, our people there on Schriever and stuff are out of shape. They are not. I see them after crew that, you know, their alternative PT is go do the incline or do some very physically challenging stuff, you know, but you do, you'd see that, that one or two, uh, airmen or, or a person that, You wonder why they're still in, you know, if they got injured on duty and they're not going to be able to meet the standards, we need to respectfully give them their. their compensation for their on-duty injury.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, thank you. We need to be doing that. By the way, I think, Eric, on the front side versus letting them wait years through the VA to get that handled, that should be something I agree with you. We should be doing that on the front side. Give them their DD-214. Hey, thanks for your service. You did a great job. Here's some disability. Off you go.
SPEAKER 1 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. Correct. Agree with you 100% on that. And for those listening, by the way, if you're a vet, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Eric, you do as well. But those that are not vets, you have no idea the amount of red tape and nonsense a true injured vet goes through to get to that point. Eric, you know what I'm talking about, and it's ridiculous.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I'm technically underdone, and I'm going to be going back and getting an advocate to challenge, especially with the new – legislation that did go through, um, just to see if I can get mine up. Uh, thankfully I've been lucky. They have, uh, you know, I'm, I'm actually tomorrow going in for a consultation on a surgery. Uh, and then I've got another consultation on, I don't know if it's the same surgery or a different one on the eight. That'll be a phone one. Yeah. And this is all VA done.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 13 :
Uh, so, uh, Thankfully, I'm not having to do that on my employee insurance because, honestly, I couldn't afford to get the surgery done.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I do hope the new leadership, and I do believe it is, is making the VA much better because there really are a lot of great people who work at the VA. They're as frustrated with the paperwork. They're as frustrated with the system as you are.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, the thing is I really count my blessings because I haven't had it that hard. And I'll go in and, you know, they remind me, hey, you've got to get your physical. You've got to do this. You've got to do that. They've been Johnny on the spot with lining stuff up. You know, but I'll be honest. I walk in there. I go to Fitzsimmons. I see these people that are missing limbs or they've got permanent nerve pain from an IED or something, and I'm like, I'm nothing. I gave, but I didn't give that much. And some of them, they are having to fight tooth and nail for what they're getting.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, and those are the guys that, well, it's across the board. It doesn't matter whether it's your level, their level. Bottom line, Eric, and I know some of this from, again, being a military vet's dad, it ain't easy, and it should be easy. There's no reason why it's not easier.
SPEAKER 13 :
But, you know, there are other things that we need to look at as, you know, or, you know, Mr. Hegsip needs to look at. Because, like, when I was talking about Air Force and, you know, I'm talking to these people, well, I know I'll never have to deploy. I'll never have to go to war. And yet Air Force has one of the highest suicide rates out there. And talking to some of these officers, they're like, why do we have such a high suicide rate mindset? I had to look at them and I said, cause you don't weed them out in basic training. Right. You have a, this, this tamper them attitude, not, Hey, you're, you are coming into one of the highest technology fields or, you know, career, uh, militaries. But the truth is, is you are here to fight a war. You are here, you know, to defend this country. And if it comes down to we put a rifle in your hands and you go stand on the line, that's what you're here for. We don't wait those people out. And so you end up with people in service that are not mentally prepared for the event of the worst case scenario.
SPEAKER 07 :
Can't argue that.
SPEAKER 13 :
So we still have a lot of things to work on. Nonetheless, I would still say I am so proud to have served, and I think we've got one of the best militaries out there, but we've got to clean up the wokeism and start teaching moral and quote-unquote constitutional standards so that they know what they're swearing to uphold and defend, and that they're there to Oh, we lost you. Oh, there you go.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now you're back. I agree.
SPEAKER 13 :
to protect the people that can't be here and stand on the line and say, no, I'm my dude.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, you're 100% correct. Eric, got to run to break. Man, I appreciate it as always. Keep up the great work and best of luck on all you're going through there. Appreciate you, sir, very much. I mean that sincerely. Thank you for all you do for us and for listening on a regular basis. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. And Dave wants to help you with all your roofing needs, commercial, residential, all under one roof. And don't forget, he can extend the life of your roof, rejuvenate it, is what I should say. 303-710-6916.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Pate. John, really quick here, we're going to talk some more Colorado politics because I think we've got another problem beyond. the issues I mentioned earlier, and we'll talk about that in a moment. But first, you and I made a little prediction. What was it, a couple weeks ago? Yeah. When Jimmy Kimmel was coming back on air, what did we say? We said a week or two, his numbers will absolutely crater.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Right? There'll be a spike, and then it'll go down.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, there was a spike. Now it's gone down. As of Thursday night, Jimmy Kimmel, he lost 71%. Of his peak viewership that he had when he came back, his I'm so sorry, where he totally lied and said he was sorry when he wasn't. Okay, he lost 71%, but it got worse than that. In the age group that really produces the money, the demographic you really want, that's adults age 25 to 54, he has lost 85% of the 1.7 million who tuned in on September 23rd when he came back. So basically, he's almost crashed down to where he was before. His average was 1.6 million viewers in 2025 before he got sidelined. He's now down to 1.7. So he's almost right down to there. So just so people know, we knew this was going to be very temporary. Jimmy Kinnell is still a big loser for his network. He's losing the money. It's going to continue. Okay, back to Colorado politics. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
One of the other issues that I feel that we've got in Colorado, and this goes back to, again, the continuing conversation, we really started at 3 o'clock and had a couple of ladies that called in, very sharp, by the way, and I agreed a lot with what they – actually agreed with everything they said, everything we disagreed upon at all. And the reality is we're talking about just the gubernatorial race especially. But, you know, we can break this down and even go to other local races. And I'll just tell you right now, the biggest issue we have in Colorado – in winning is we have got a faction of the party, the Rhino Watchers, I guess I'm going to call them, the Davidians, whatever you want to call them, the Rhino Watchers, the Davidians, whatever. Again, all in one, all the same. They literally have got their finger in so many places and so many races that they are the sole reason that we don't win more elections. And I'll be straight up honest, and I am on a mission right now. I want them gone. And what I mean by that is move. I'll give you a one-way ticket out of the state if that's what it takes. Whatever we need to do, you need to go away, far, far away. Go find some other state you can grift into and screw their politics up. Hopefully it's a blue state, not a red state. But at the end of the day, you all need to leave because you're doing nothing but making Colorado worse, not better.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. All Rhino Watch does is attack any Republican who they don't think is a purist. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's got to be their kind of purist. Their purity test, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Not anybody else's, but their own.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, their own purity test.
SPEAKER 07 :
Which let me remind everybody of. Rhino Watch, by its own definition, Donald Trump couldn't pass their purity test. No, he couldn't. The last time they did this, and they came out with their own quote-unquote purity test, Donald Trump couldn't pass it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Donald Trump is a moderate, John.
SPEAKER 07 :
To them. No, I mean, he is a moderate. He is, but to them, he's their hero, but he can't pass their purity test.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. No, he couldn't. And, of course, they've taken him on as their hero, which is ludicrous. Look, I'm telling you what... Rhino Watch, which right now has a majority, a functioning majority on the state central committee for the Republican Party here in Colorado. OK, a majority of the state central committee believes we absolutely must opt out of the open primary. Otherwise, we're doomed. And you go to them and you say, okay, well, let's reason on this. Let's look at all the consequences of opting out. Yeah, I like closed primaries too, but let's look at all the consequences. I won't go into those right now, but you look at that. None of them can answer it. None. All they do is say you're a rhino for saying that. If you don't want to opt out, you're a rhino and we oppose you. They have literally come out and said that. okay, and I don't know if it's right to watch, but many of their adherents, okay, have literally come out and said, if you don't support opting out of the Colorado Open primary, we will oppose you in primary year. That's right. They are destructive.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are, Andy. Absolutely. Thoroughly. I... I've been watching this for well over a decade now, and a decade ago it wasn't called Rhino Watch or anything along those lines. There were other names that they called themselves. And here's the reality. Their initial intentions, I do believe, were pure, Andy. I will say a lot of these people came out of the quote-unquote Tea Party movement, and I really feel like initially a lot of their intentions were very good. What happened is, though, that particular group was hijacked. I don't know any other way to say it, Andy. They were hijacked by a bunch of loons that are after power, power that they want only for themselves and no one else, and literally power and money. Let me make sure I throw the money side of that into this as well, because it's not just a power thing. It's a power and a money thing that they want. And they've achieved, by the way. In some cases, they've achieved this, and they've gotten that on their side. And I said this earlier to one of the ladies that called in. I'll say it again. They don't care win, lose, or draw. As long as they stay in power and have the money that they want, they don't care what happens to Colorado.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, John. I mean, this is the entire reason they want the primary gone, because they want candidates chosen.
SPEAKER 03 :
They didn't capture all of it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. They want candidates chosen through the caucus and assembly for those who can just catch people up. Rhino Watch and their supporters want candidates chosen not through the primary, but through caucus and assembly. Right. Okay. They also, by the way, a big reason they hate Victor Marx is because he's using petition to get on the ballot.
SPEAKER 07 :
He's buying his way on is what they say.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, he's not going through caucus and assembly. Why do they want candidates to only go through caucus and assembly?
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they can control it better, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Because caucus and assembly is attended by less than 1% of Colorado Republicans. Their activists can overrun that 1%. They can't overrun the 99% who would prefer to vote in a primary. Right. Okay. Here's the big crazy part. They claim to be the grassroots.
SPEAKER 07 :
They're not.
SPEAKER 06 :
They call themselves grassroots versus the rhinos. And I look at them and I say, but you want our candidates chosen by the 1%. How can the 1% be the grassroots? The grassroots, obviously, by very definition, has to be the 99%. They're lying.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are.
SPEAKER 06 :
They're a bunch of insiders and activists. That's right. Who have a lot of power because of the caucus and assembly system.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, Andy, you are a thousand percent correct. Dana Blackhawk, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Are you there?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, go ahead, Dan.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, Dan. Okay, so wasn't the open primaries, I don't remember, but I think I do, wasn't that voted on as a, wasn't that a ballot initiative? Yeah, it's a ballot initiative, absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, that's exactly what it was.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so why, and the question we need to ask, why are you going against the will of the people if you're for the people?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, because what they will tell you, Dan, is those people are stupid.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it doesn't matter if they're stupid or not. I know, but that's what they'll tell you. That's the will of the people in the state of Colorado when they voted on it. They wanted open primaries. So, and I don't think that's true.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and let's back up for a moment, too. And the reason why, if you were to go back in time and actually interview some of these folks that voted for the open primary, I wasn't one of those, but overwhelmingly, folks did. That ballot initiative won hugely. I think it was 70% roughly.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, it was 58%.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, yeah, one second. Two different groups. In the general election, that only won by under 7%. Here's the problem. The unaffiliated voters who we need to win, they overwhelmingly voted for it.
SPEAKER 07 :
They voted for it by about 70%. So bottom line, what this crowd, this Rhino Watch crowd forgets is the reason why those unaffiliated were so overwhelmingly in support of it is because in most cases, They didn't like either party, but yet they still wanted to participate in the party they came from, Democrat or Republican. Now, what they're going to tell you is, oh, no, no, this is just a way for them to hijack the primaries. The reality is very, very, very few Democrats jump over and vote on the Republican ticket primary because true Democrats want to vote in the Democrat primary and get their candidates elected. Yeah. Yes, there are a few that will jump over and frankly vote for that that hardcore, hardcore rhino watch candidate because they know that's the worst candidate out there. So why not have them win? It's actually opposite of what these rhino watchers will tell you is actually happening because they're bass ackwards in their thought process, because frankly, Dan, they're in denial and they're the ones that are dumb. They're going to tell you everybody else is. But frankly, they're the ones that are morons.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. The liberals who cross over and vote in the Republican primary, they always will want to help the Rhino Watch candidates.
SPEAKER 07 :
And it's a very small number that even do that, Dan.
SPEAKER 06 :
Very small.
SPEAKER 04 :
But if we get moderates who want to vote in the Republican primary, now, if I remember correctly, you can only vote either in the Democrat or the Republican.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, if you're an unaffiliated, you get two ballots and you get to pick which one you're going to vote. You can't vote both.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so... Wouldn't we want more moderates to vote in the Republican primary?
SPEAKER 07 :
In fact, we should actually be advertising and catering to them during the primary. That's been my point all along. If you can't beat them, join them. We should be catering to those particular individuals, getting them to vote in our primary, and actually inviting them in to our fold is what we should be doing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because then we're going to have a candidate who's going to be more appealing to the state. well the state or in their district correct or you know but if we keep wanting to put these quote-unquote purists on the ballot we're never going to win because the independent or the non-affiliated voter isn't going to vote for purists because that isn't what they stand for that's right right now many will how and i'm not i'm not a political guy but it doesn't take
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no. Again, Dan, as I said, you're talking about individuals that, frankly, they're the ones that are – and by the way, I don't think they're ignorant. I think they know full well exactly what we're talking about. The reality is, at the end of the day, they want exactly what Andy said. They're not dumb. These are people that actually are intelligent. They have some smarts. They're gaming the system. They're getting all of their followers that, by the way, I believe aren't real bright at times. And they know that. And this is where they're basically empowering all of their followers to do something that they know at the end of the day will cause them to stay in power. That's what they're doing. And they're not dumb. By the way, they're very keen and evil in what they're doing. They'll tell you that, oh, I'm a purist and we're hardcore Christians and we're this and we're that. No, Dan, really, they're very evil individuals that are doing something that will screw up the state from this point forward.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and by the way, one last thing. This whole thing where a lot of them claim to be Christians.
SPEAKER 07 :
I say that loosely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, very loosely. Jesus said, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And yet the Rhino Watch group absolutely, totally, knowingly. lies about people everywhere they can, and they do it for power.
SPEAKER 07 :
And they do it blatantly, Dan. I mean, these are people that will literally lie to your face. In fact, now this is one thing I do believe. I do believe that, you know, that old saying is, if you lie enough, you start to believe yourself. I do believe that is them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. True. Yep, yep. And they're also the original sin, which is pride.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct, correct. You're right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well stated. They're prideful... They're prideful and they will not admit that they're prideful because when you're prideful, You don't know you're prideful.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, well, and one more thing I'll throw into all of this, by the way. You're dead on, Dan, but I want to throw one thing into this. How often do you ever hear any of them call or text or even email to defend their position? And the answer, Dan, is none. Zero. Nada. Zilch. We've almost begged them. Yeah, the reason is because they can't, Dan. I'm convinced that they will never come on air And they've done it with only one other host in town, and she was way too kind to them. And if you're listening, I'm sorry, but you were too kind to them. Not near us. You were far more kind than I would be. And the reality, Dan, is they know that. That's why we'll never come on air here. Nope. Did we lose you, Dan? Are you back? Oh, I think we lost you. That's all right. We're up against a break anyways. Dan, if you're still there, keep listening. We appreciate it very much. We'll take a quick break. And I'm sorry, we lost Dan. He's probably up in the canyon coming down the mountain or something. We know where Dan works. So probably coming down the canyon. Be safe, Dan. We'll be back in a moment. Ridgeland Auto Brokers coming up next. Remember, they can help you with any used car purchase. They offer extended contracts as far as the service end of it goes, warranty-wise, I should say. So you can be assured you're getting a great car at Ridgeland. RidgelandAutoBrokers.com.
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SPEAKER 07 :
And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Thank you all for listening, by the way. It's been a great show today. Not that they all aren't, but a really fast show today. Maybe that's a better way to say it. It really has. It's been cram-packed with all sorts of things today. And we've talked about the governor's race here in Colorado, which, again, we are a long way away from. So, please, anybody out there listening, I am not getting behind any particular candidate. There is so much to do between now and even this next summer. that a lot of things will start to really come into play by then. And when are the primaries, June or July?
SPEAKER 06 :
Late June.
SPEAKER 07 :
Late June. Okay, so late June. And, you know, it'll start really heating up in probably the May timeframe. And there's a lot of ground to cover between now and then. And a lot of the folks that we even mentioned today, will they even be around then, Andy? I have no idea.
SPEAKER 06 :
My big question for Victor Marks is, are you going to be able to handle the debates today?
SPEAKER 07 :
Good question.
SPEAKER 06 :
When these other candidates can take their shots at you, and they're going to be very good at this, they're very skilled.
SPEAKER 07 :
Great question.
SPEAKER 06 :
Are you going to be ready for that? Is Victor Marks going to surround himself with the right people to get the right policy statement out? Or, you know, frankly, look, is he going to be surrounded by the right people? I am very concerned. I'm just going to be honest. I'm very concerned about Victor Marks. And the reason I am is because I look at him as the most marketable candidate we have going into this thing. I look at him as a guy who could actually win right now on the face of it. I don't see any of the other candidates that way. Maybe they'll surge and surprise me. It can happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
And really quick, why do you feel that way?
SPEAKER 06 :
Why do I feel that way about them or him? Him right now. Because... Look, if you're going to win in Colorado, you have to bring something completely different from anybody else. Right. He brings a soft-spoken power and strength to his delivery, to his approach that is unlike any candidate I have seen. A story no one else has. Any statewide Republican candidate I have seen for decades in this state.
SPEAKER 07 :
And really quick, folks, what I mean by story is not just because of what he's done ministerially speaking with his nonprofit and rescuing enslaved girls and so on. I'm talking about where he came from himself as a child. The guy's got a story and a testimony. He talks about at one point in time meeting – his stepfather, God, basically telling him, hey, you're in the same town, you need to go see your stepdad, and that whole story surrounding that and what he did, and A, he was obedient, even though he didn't want to, because this is a guy that abused him as a child, thoroughly abused him. I mean, most people would want to go cut this guy's head off, and I mean that sincerely, but at the end of the day, this guy basically, Victor Marx, basically did what God said, was kind to him, went and saw him on his deathbed, through his testimony, leads his stepdad, who actually beat him and did things to him that you don't even want to talk about, and the guy becomes a Christian on his deathbed because of Victor.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, that's the story this guy's got.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Very exciting. Very... You know, inspiring.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right? And I believe he could be inspirational to a lot of people here in Colorado. And you don't have to be a Christian to be inspired by the neatness of what this guy is able to do.
SPEAKER 07 :
The forgiveness that he gave his stepdad is a story everybody can benefit from.
SPEAKER 06 :
It's absolutely fantastic. But here's the thing. He's going to have handlers. He's going to have consultants take over his campaign.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's what worries me the most, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, because look, because they'll screw it up because they're going to be the same consultants who have handled a lot of the other big campaigns. And I'm sorry, but I look at the messaging that those campaigns had and I was almost weeping. I was almost in tears. And you know me, I never cry. I was almost in tears watching these campaigns. These messages aren't going to work. You have to understand the Colorado market is full of people who want to hear one thing. What's in it for them?
SPEAKER 07 :
So you've got to go to them and say – That's true, by the way, in every market, but more so here than probably a lot of places.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because it's not red.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
We're not a red state. We're a blue state. I want to remind everybody that even some high-profile guys like Ron DeSantis, for example, hired the wrong team, and it's why his campaign imploded the last go-around. So, folks, this can happen even in a red state.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, his presidential campaign hired the wrong team.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, and imploded it.
SPEAKER 06 :
And imploded. And it made a lot of moves where I'm looking at Ron DeSantis. He is brilliant. What he did, I don't even have time.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
We've talked about it in the past.
SPEAKER 06 :
He is brilliant in so many of his moves. His campaign was run by the wrong people, and they destroyed him.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. When he went up against Trump. Killed his campaign. Right. And so. So our point is, folks, if it could happen to Ron DeSantis, who is politically savvy, Victor Marx is not. Right. He is not politically savvy.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, he isn't. And he needs messaging gurus who can help him. on how to very quickly package these wonderful things that he's going to say on topic after topic after topic. And each one has to be about this. You deserve this. You deserve that. You deserve this. Hey, let me tell you about a story about – I dealt with this young woman who was in this terrible situation. Correct. It was like yours. You don't deserve. And then you can talk about, you know, Jared Polis. What you don't deserve is to have a politician who takes all of his activism and makes it your laws. And makes it your laws and controls your life with it. You may disagree with my, look, I'm a Christian. You could look at my activism and say, gee, I'm not like Victor Marx. That's fine. I don't want all of my activism to be your laws. Okay. That's the difference. I don't want to control you. I want to unleash you. And that is what he could do. But I'm telling you what, it could get derailed real fast.
SPEAKER 07 :
I have the same fear, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
If he has the same people handling his campaign who have handled several of the others, he's doomed.
SPEAKER 07 :
I have the same fear. And here's my fear. I see some of the people that I've seen have really bad campaigns surrounding him now. And my hope is that those people will not be a bad influence upon him in that area or he's doomed. Right. And then we're doomed because I'm sorry to say I'm like Andy. We need somebody like him to come out to get that middle of the road voter reach. And I'm sorry to say there's not too many other people on the list that can do that right now.
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree. Then here's one last question. We have a real problem with the state party. OK, I like Britta Horn. I think Britta Horn's doing a fine job in a terrible situation. OK, it's awful. But when you look at that meeting I was at. A week ago Saturday. That was a complete rage mob. Right. Run by rhino watchers. Yep. Run by the rage guys. Here's my question. Is there anything Victor Marks or any candidate can do to win this state when he's got that running the state party?
SPEAKER 07 :
Like I said, you've got to focus on that middle-of-the-road voter and these sane Republicans that are still left that are out there, the folks like you and I. You've got to try to reach them. And I hate to say this, but you literally have to ignore the Rhino Watch crowd. And simultaneously really shoot darts at them to really get rid of them at the same time, much like you and I do on a regular basis. You're going to have to do some of that, not openly in front, but in some of your conservative meetings and so on that you have. You're going to have to deal with those folks because they're going to be your biggest enemy. They're a bigger enemy than the Democrats are. I'm sorry to say that, Andy, but they are.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, they are. They absolutely are. That's what I'm trying to ask you.
SPEAKER 07 :
They're your biggest enemy.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'm trying to ask you, how can you win with that on your team?
SPEAKER 07 :
It's going to be very hard.
SPEAKER 06 :
It's going to be very hard. I mean, you can't attack them. They'll go ballistic.
SPEAKER 07 :
But I would look at them and just say— You don't attack, but you sort of inadvertently shoot darts at them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Here's what I would do. I'd look at them and say, look, I admire your principles. I share your principles. My question is, how are we going to share that and sell that to a state that doesn't always share it?
SPEAKER 07 :
See, the problem is, I don't know that these people are so crazed. I don't know that they'll ever listen to that. That's what you're up against. These are crazed individuals that will not listen to that.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, they won't listen to anything but purity and hate.
SPEAKER 07 :
All you can do, this is my advice, and we're going to go to break here in a minute, but My advice to Victor and his team would be you have to talk to the fringe Rhino Watchers that are maybe in it but aren't sure they should be in it. You can't talk to the Rhino Watch, you know, the Davidians themselves because they're wackadoodles. But, and that's the 25 to 30 that are out there really running things hardcore. It's the folks that are around them that you might actually be able to convince to come to your side that you have to talk to, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's who you have to speak to.
SPEAKER 06 :
There are dangerous people in the RhinoWatch crowd who are going to try to get involved for the money.
SPEAKER 07 :
They're going to derail you. They're going to try to derail you. That's exactly right. Because they're jealous that they're not there with you. Right. Mile High Coin coming up next, folks. Again, if you've got a collection of things that you've been sitting on for a while, you want to turn that into cash, get a free appraisal today. 720-370-3400.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, in closing, if somebody can get this message to Victor, please do so. He's going to have to avoid, as Andy and I call it, the locusts that are out there in our party that are going to suck the life out of him if they have possibility to do so.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. There are people who, there's a mother-son duo that absolutely will try to cling on to him once they see there's money there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, and they will do everything they possibly can to extract that. All right, we'll have more on this, of course, because it's not over yet. Have a great evening. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three is upon us. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Chris Hoare joining us now. Chris, you are a disaster response and telecom national security spokesman for SAT 123. Welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
I'm great, sir. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER 14 :
places?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah, what this group was trying to do was to basically bring down the capacity of the cell towers so that they would reject all calls and all texts. And they were doing that with what seems to be around 300 SIM servers. And each one of those SIM servers can take hundreds or even a thousand plus SIM cards. And then they can generate with those SIM servers and the SIM cards about or up to 30 million text messages per minute. And, of course, what that does is it floods the network. And when you flood the network, you take it down.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's just overloaded. I mean, at that point, all of the – and I think maybe, Chris, most people understand this, but really kind of in a nutshell, people forget that cell phones, Cell signal is basically a radio that goes to a tower. The tower then is hooked up into the actual network that we have. And, of course, there's servers and switches and all sorts of things at every one of those stations. And there's relay stations and things all around. And the reality is there's a certain capacity to each one of those. And if you overload that, it's done.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you're absolutely correct. And if it's done, whether they're flooding the cell tower, the backhaul network that connects it, or the control planes, it's the same result. And that means that the cell towers just will basically not work, essentially. And when... Yeah, they were doing this over an area of around 35 miles in and around the United Nations building right when the UNGA was going on, of course, where President Trump and other world leaders were meeting and speaking. And so, you know, that seems to be the target. It's hard to say. The Secret Service is, of course, playing their cards close to the chest. But, you know, the problem with this is that it's one thing if this happens in one area. But if this were to happen across the country simultaneously, it could cause chaos and mayhem, and that would certainly be a goal.
SPEAKER 14 :
One question I had, and this is something that, as I was talking about this story when it broke, and for me, as you can tell, I know a little bit about this. I don't know near as much as somebody like yourself does, but I know enough to probably get in trouble, I guess, and at least to be able to speak about it, Chris. The question that I've got is, I mean, this is a pretty sophisticated group to even get this many SIM cards in the first place. And I would have thought that isn't there systems in place that start flagging people that are acquiring this many SIMs? Or was this thing sophisticated enough to where it had so many different parties involved that nobody would be aware of what was going on?
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, it is hard to say, but you're absolutely right. I mean, you can't just walk into a T-Mobile shop and order 100,000 safeguards.
SPEAKER 14 :
In fact, even 100 would almost probably be a red flag in some cases, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, no, certainly. And I'm sure that they have their limits and they have their flags and so on. But 100,000 would require that someone somewhere along the line had a connection or relationship with with a provider, with a carrier. So this is not something you could just do on a whim, certainly. This was pre-planned. It was well-organized.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I'm assuming, too, that maybe this was something that, you know, this could have taken months, even a year. You know, okay, we need to acquire this many sims each month. We need this many people involved in doing so. We've got to spread this around because, to your point, there's going to be some red flags that come up. Or we need some folks that have an in, and even with an in, maybe that's the way they stay under the radar is they're only buying so many per month. I mean, I have no idea. Maybe some of this will come out in the future. But that's the part maybe I think, Chris, for me that was the most alarming is – How do you acquire that many? I mean, that doesn't happen overnight, typically.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, no, this was not a small group of guys who had a beef with someone. This was a well-organized effort. And we've seen these kind of efforts before, but typically when people put together hundreds of servers, they are trying to take down websites. This is what they call denial of service, of course, as you know. And we're used to seeing that with websites, but it's more concerning when they're targeting cell towers, especially in a major metropolitan area.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, given all of that, and I think this was hopefully a huge wake-up call across the country, maybe even the globe, as to, listen, you know, those of you where we're relying on this technology to literally live our lives on a daily basis, what kind of backup things do you have in play if, in fact, a cell network in your area were to go down for any length of time? How are you going to handle things, whether it be for your business, whether it be personally, whether it be communicating with your kids? I think, Chris, I do another program on Fridays called Ready Radio. We talk about preparedness for an hour on Fridays, and this, to me, was one of those bigger things as to, okay, if this were to happen, how are you handling it?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah, that's where one of our main products is, of course, the satellite phone. We've been in the business for over 20 years, and we provide the same kind of equipment that's used by the U.S. military and first responders throughout the country because we Look, when the military goes in somewhere, they fully understand that most likely there'll be little to no cell service available, and they certainly wouldn't want to rely on it. So satellite phones, you know, in appearance, they're a little bit like an older cell phone, a little bit bigger. But what they do is they communicate directly with satellites. They bypass the cell towers. So if all the cell towers in your area or the power grid goes down and that takes out the cell towers, a satellite phone is not going to care. It's going to work no matter what. And it also works absolutely anywhere on Earth as long as you can see the sky. And so, look, this has been the choice of outdoorsmen, sportsmen, hunters, fishers, hikers, you know, and so on, and anyone with a boat, anyone in the marine business. his new satellite phone spread, because the reality is that on a good day, only 7% of America has active cell phone service.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good point. Okay, question for you. This is something I've looked at for me personally in the past, given a lot of the things that I do and where I travel and so on, and the question I have is, are they still at a point where only a few people can afford them, or have they become more affordable for everyday Americans?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah, look, when they came out, they were tens of thousands of dollars, and Even 20 years ago when we started this business, they were still several thousand dollars for a handset, which is kind of where they are today. So what we did at Sat123.com was made the phone free with activation. So you're getting basically a $1,000 to $2,000 phone for nothing. You're paying $85 a month. You're getting 150 minutes, and it kind of works like a cell phone plan in that way. But we're the only ones to do that. We did that because... We don't think that just millionaires, billionaires, and senators should be the only ones to have this equipment.
SPEAKER 14 :
I need to have you on my other program as well because this is great stuff. And, again, another one of those ways to be really prepared for the – I call it for the what-ifs of life, Chris. You never know what those are going to be. I also noticed on your website that in case of EMPs or things along those lines, and there's a lot of – conversation out there as to whether cell, you know, satellite, cell probably would definitely go down. Would satellite service still work? You guys have Faraday bags and things along those lines as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that's right. Look, I mean, an EMP attack or anything like that would take out electronic components, as you know. I'm sure your audience understands that. But another issue is data theft. You know, you could be walking down the street, somebody could be stealing your data from your phone. But if you put it in a Faraday bag, they can't get to it. You know, it is the only way to protect your equipment from snooping, from theft, and from things like EMPs and flares.
SPEAKER 14 :
Gotcha. And again, folks, for all of you listening, we talk about this on Fridays from 2 to 3, those of you that join me there. A lot going on. And Chris, I think it's just, to me, this was just a reminder that everything isn't as robust as some think, some may think. In this case, yes, we did catch them. But Chris, what if we hadn't?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, we haven't. Look, it could have been a very different scenario. And I think, John, the most worrying thing is we've seen these kind of localized attacks on power grids, on water supply units and stations. And in my mind, it looks an awful lot like dry runs.
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Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, just earlier this year, the entire country of Spain was taken off line for over 24 hours. That's right. To think that couldn't happen here, I'm afraid, is just ignorant.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I know. I think that you're being very misguided if we believe that. And Chris, I'm not by any means a conspiracy theorist. I'm not a doomsdayer as well. But I'm very much a realist and feel like, you know what, just like we have a certain amount of cash on hand and savings and gold and silver and other sorts of things to make sure you're ready for the what-ifs of life, this is on that same very track.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you're absolutely right. And look, the Chinese, for example, make no bones about the fact that they employ tens of thousands of people in full time to do nothing but attack U.S. infrastructure. That's right. That's right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, there's no secrets there. That's exactly what they do. You're 100% correct. All right. So for those of you listening, and I guess I should have said this to begin with. I apologize. It's SAT, S-A-T, 123.com. That's the website to go to, SAT123.com. And, Chris, I've been there, kind of studied things before you coming on. You've got a host of things. It's not just one option for all of you listening. If this is something that you're interested in, some of you that have businesses and maybe need to make sure communication is up at all times, Chris, you guys have solutions for that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, we do. And whether it's for your family or for your business, we can install this kind of equipment on planes, boats, trucks, office buildings, you name it, whatever it is, so you can keep your business running too. But look, for families, I think it's essential at this point.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, I agree. Chris, again, I may try to get with you and see if I can't get you on my other program. I'd have a little more time where we could even talk in a little bit more depth. But I appreciate your time very much. And again, I'll do my best to get you on our other show as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thanks for having me on, mate.
SPEAKER 14 :
You betcha, Chris. Appreciate it very much. Again, it's sat123.com. Golden Eagle Financial. Speaking of finances and being ready for even these things that we just got done talking about, the what is of life, talk to Golden Eagle Financial today. Al Smith, find him at klzradio.com. There's a great interview coming up next. And again, you can find him at klzradio.com.
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TJ here with KLZ and Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. And Al, I have a question for you. I've been putting money away for a while in a savings account or maybe a couple of investment accounts. But what am I doing wrong and what can you do better than that?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I think a savings account is important because all the financial gurus, including myself, agree you should have three to six months savings that you have ready liquid access to. But retirement planning is a bit more long term and it's a bit more strategic. We want to take a look at the sum of money you'll need way into the future. And we want to look at how that money can last by providing you income for as long as you live.
SPEAKER 10 :
What kind of planning or strategy do you provide for folks with that that have a big savings but haven't made that next step?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, that's a good question. If someone has a large amount in savings, one of the things I do is we have a conversation about their risk tolerance. Nobody's comfortable losing money, but having money in the market over a long period of time is a mechanism to accumulate wealth. And so we talk about the different levels of risk and the different products that are available. And we don't put everybody into one box, but I have an enormous assortment of financial products. And it's not that there's good ones or bad ones. It's there are some that are more appropriate for some people, but not for others.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that sounds excellent. How can folks get in touch with you for that meeting?
SPEAKER 02 :
You can reach me at 303-744-1128. And if I'm not there, it goes to voicemail, but I return my voicemails promptly. And we could have a conversation in the office. If you live a considerable distance away, we can have a long phone conversation or a Zoom call, whichever you would prefer.
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And as always, you can find him at klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, thank you, TJ. Thanks for the conversation.
SPEAKER 10 :
You bet.
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All right, we've got another guest joining us at 5.30. In the meantime, I read an article this morning, ColoradoSun.com, which, again, I read a lot of stuff from a lot of different places. And, yes, Colorado Sun is not a conservative website publication here in the Colorado area. Very much on the left. In fact, so much on the left that I even sent them an email when all of the Charlie Kirk stuff happened. They didn't have one single article published. talking about Charlie Kirk's assassination. Not one. Not mentioning even the other side's side. Nothing about the killer. Not a single article. And this was the day after, the day of the day after, and even about a week after. Not once. Now, I don't know if they've posted anything since. I haven't delved into the website thoroughly to see if anything's there. But I could not find one thing on there about Charlie Kirk. Telling you, by the way, the caliber of people that run that organization. But I still read it. Why? Because, like Joe, I want to know what the left says. I want to know what the left's doing. I want to know what they're putting out. I read, frankly, like Joe, I read as much on the left as I do on the right. I read them more than I do Fox News. So there's a lot of you out there, a lot of you on the left, by the way, that always accuse me of being the Fox News junkie. I'll be the first to tell you. There might be two or three weeks ago, but I don't even look at Fox News, on the website even. Now, some of you will send me articles and things like that, and in that case I'll actually go and look, but I rarely type in foxnews.com. I just – I don't. And it's nothing against them, but I want to know what the – I already know what Fox News' perspective for the most part is going to be. Not fully, but for the most part I already know. I want to know what the other side is having to say. So, for example, in today's Colorado Sun. As Trump punts on medical debt, Colorado leading in battle over patient protections. Now, this article basically is talking about how many times different governmental agencies have tried to protect patients when it comes to bills and things that happen in medical care, which I get. But what's interesting is. This whole article starts off with, With the Trump administration scaling back federal efforts to protect Americans from medical bills they can't pay, advocates for patients and consumers have shifted their work to contain the nation's medical debt problem to the state capitals. Despite progress in some mostly blue states, Colorado lawmakers passed policies to keep medical debt off credit reports and limiting interest rates. Recent setbacks in more conservative legislatures underscore the Persistent challenges and strengthening patient protections. And by the way, it goes on to even talk about how essentially because of the big, beautiful bill, people are going to have less health coverage. What they're failing to say is because people are going to come off Medicaid. They're not coming out and saying that in this article, but that's essentially, you know, there's in other words, people make enough money to not actually be on Medicaid. In fact, in a lot of cases, they might even have the option for insurance through their employer. But because they can qualify for Medicaid, they do. And it's costing us as taxpayers money instead of them having to pay for it on their own. But this whole article makes it seem like Trump took their coverage away. That is not the case. I titled this another Marxist narrative. That's what this is. This is basically the Colorado Sun following their Marxist narrative to blame everything on Trump because certain people won't have insurance anymore that once did. And they're not giving you all of the details as to why they're potentially losing their coverage. Because the reality is anybody that really needs Medicaid isn't losing anything. I've talked about that many, many times on this program. They're not losing a thing. It's those fringe quote-unquote people that might be losing coverage in Medicaid and frankly shouldn't have had it in the first place. Illegal aliens, for example, they shouldn't be on Medicaid. Reality is only people that are really down and out that can't afford it should be on Medicaid. People that can afford insurance should be affording their own, just like the rest of us have to do, just like I do, just like a lot of you listening do. So this whole article, again, is more about blaming Trump for something that isn't Trump's fault. And I get it. They're getting into the whole credit reporting sides of things and how that works. And, you know, we're trying to protect patients' rights. And, you know, you shouldn't be able to, you know, make somebody take out bankruptcy because of medical debt and so on. Which, by the way, I'm not disagreeing with that. This is one area where – and I've known people that have had to take bankruptcy over huge medical bills that actually had insurance but got so high on medical bills that they couldn't pay everything because insurance got capped. And, yeah, in that case, these are hardworking people that, in the case I'm talking about, both had jobs, struggling, had major issues with some kids and so on. And, yeah, in that particular case, I don't think somebody should be forced to take out bankruptcy because of those medical bills. That's an issue, and I'm in agreement on that. By the way, that's the rarity. That doesn't happen that often. It does happen occasionally. But it's sort of like talking about the 1% of abortions that are because of rape and incest and using that for every single excuse to have an abortion. It's sort of the same thing happening on the medical side. You shouldn't have to have a bankruptcy to cover medical debt. The reality is that doesn't happen that often. The bigger reality is people use hospital coverage, ER, urgent cares, and so on far more often than they should. We've had that conversation with Dr. Kelly many times on Thursdays. And they abuse the system. And then they wonder why they end up having huge medical bills when it's all said and done. And, yeah, in that case, their insurance may not cover. Maybe they didn't have any insurance. Maybe they didn't qualify for Medicaid. And on and on we go. But my point was or is that this particular article is deceiving because it's making it sound like Trump took their coverage away and that nothing could be farther from the truth. It does talk about it here, an estimated 100 million adults in the U.S. have some form of medical debt. Okay, well, I get that. This goes back to the conversation I had last week. 60% of Americans can't afford a $1,000 hit of any kind, medically speaking, car repair, whatever the case may be. Now, is that because of the economy or is it because of people? And we're going to talk about finances in a moment with another great guest that we've had on in the past. He's been on with us many times, Eric Weir. Great guy, by the way. He talks about who's eating your pie. And my point is, do these people have this debt because of a huge medical issue or because they don't manage their money very well in the first place? And I'm not trying to be rude to anybody here, but I can tell you folks that some of the things that I've done in my past, serving on different ministerial boards and so on, and looking at people that actually come in and need help, one of the first questions I always had was, okay, what's their lifestyle like? In other words, are they eating out a lot? Do they have cable TV? In fact, do they have things even that I don't have? And if that's the case, then why are we handing out help when they could do cutbacks and budgetary things internally to handle things better on their side rather than just giving them a handout? Because giving me a handout is not going to fix anything. And I wonder at times how many of these hundred million that have an actual medical bill or medical debt, I should say, how much of that's from what I just said? And I also understand that if you don't have any money going into the hospital, are you still going to get treated? Yes. Now, the hospital is going to do everything they possibly can to try to recover from that bill and the debt and so on. And by the way, in a lot of cases, they'll write a certain amount of that debt off and still help you get that bill paid for over time. It's called getting on the phone and negotiating that. And I also again, I'm wondering how many of these hundred. It's an estimate, by the way. I don't know if that's a true number or not. It's in this article. So I have no idea. But I often wonder how many of those have actually done what I just said. And then, again, as I say, how many of them really needed to go in the first place? And, again, I can't say I'm not a doctor. I don't know. But I do know the stats on that are a lot of people go to the doctor and go to the ER and do things that, frankly, don't need to be there. There's other ways to handle said problem. But they go because they can. And they do. And some are, you know, I'm kind of the opposite of that. I don't ever want to go. You've got to drag me to the ER. I am not going unless I absolutely have to. That is the last place I want to. A, it's a huge time waster. I do not want to be in the ER. It's the biggest time waster there. Sorry, doctors and nurses, but it is a huge time waster. For me, you can spend hours there for honestly hardly anything when it's all said and done. I mean, I'm one of those where even if I cut my finger, I'm doing everything I possibly can to basically stitch that thing up myself because I don't want to go. I ordered these strips the other day. Charlie's going to laugh at me, but I'm online the other day, and I see these great handy strips that act like stitches. I ordered a set. Yeah, I got them in my medicine cabinet. Now, if something happens, I'm using those bad boys. I am not going in to get stitches unless I absolutely, unless my finger's dangling off, I'm not going in. I hate going. To me, nothing bigger of a time waster than that. I'll do everything I possibly can to not go. I'm the opposite of most people. Again, because I look at my time as value, and I don't want to spend it in an ER. That's just me. So, again, we've got a financial expert that's going to join us here in a minute. We can get into a little bit more of this in a moment. Gino's Auto Service coming up next. 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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate y'all listening. Again, as I said a moment ago, our next guest, Eric Ware, is with us. Eric, welcome back. How are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
It's good to be back.
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That's always a joy having you, author of Who's Eating Your Pie? Essential Financial Advice That Will Transform Your Life. Now, I know this isn't necessarily our topic, but I just got done talking a moment ago about how, you know, the average American family can't afford a thousand dollar hit. Sixty percent of Americans can't do that. Medical debt. I read an article a moment ago that one hundred million Americans. families in the nation have some sort of medical debt. And then I got an email from my co-art that's with me on Tuesdays and Fridays and basically said, yeah, when you don't have solid savings, you're going to have medical debt. You know what? That's true. You're going to have debt if you don't have good savings. That's right. That's right. So how do we get some savings?
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You know, it's reframing and it's rethinking and it's reimagining. If you do what you always did, you're going to get the same results you always have had. And so what I try to tell people is look at your life, and the very first thing, are there things you can do without? Are there things that you have that you're not using you can liquidate? The bike you haven't ridden in three years. I mean, get $400, $500, $600, $700 together as a reserve account, and then start to reimagine and reframe. What could I do now in addition to or different than what I'm doing that I could have a different result, solve a bigger problem, and have a larger reward?
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Are you a big one on – and there's all sorts of different theories out there, and Dave Ramsey has his, and I like Dave, although I think Dave fits a certain segment of the population. I wouldn't say that Dave is by any means a one-size-fits-all. I think he would disagree with me on that, by the way, because I think he's somebody that no matter what level of life you're in, business or otherwise, his way is the only way. And I'm not one of those, though. I think, Eric, that they're – are times where you can do different things with even mortgages and debt and so on and still come out ahead as long as you know what you're doing and how you actually do that. So I'm not Dave Ramsey, and I like Dave, and again, I think Dave serves a really solid purpose for a lot of the folks that he talks to on his show. And I also know that he's the envelope guy. So the question I have for you is, is that a good thing for some people to do?
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You know, it's really where are you? And I've known people that have done the Dave Ramsey, and they're like, hey, I've gotten out of credit card debt. And it's a process. It's simple to follow. You know, it's one of the things he says, you know, is just stop spending money you don't have. That's a great way to start. It is. I agree with him there. There's wisdom. And I think the thing you've got to look at is no matter who you're talking to, if you're talking to the real estate guys, you say, I'm going to borrow money on a house and I'm going to take a second instead of selling it and take that cash to borrow another one. There's wisdom in everything. But you really got to look at who you are. Are you able to handle that? There's certain levels of stress that come with different strategies. Very true. If you're going to borrow money to invest in something else, you have to have maybe a higher level of sophistication, maybe be able to handle a little bit more stress. If you're going to spend less, use the envelope system. That's a pretty low-stress environment. So I think that depending on who you are, you're capable to handle stress or process things and learn new things, it's going to have an impact on how you choose to navigate going forward.
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Question that I've always thought, and I've never said this publicly, but I'm going to ask you because I think you're a guy that relates very well to me and you fit well with what we do here on Rush to Reason. And that is, for some of the things you just mentioned, do you feel like there's also a level of – smarts maybe isn't the right word, Eric – Understanding math, for example, if you're somebody that's really good at math and you're talking about some of the things that you just mentioned, I could see where that might work really well for some. On the same token, if you're not really a math person, you really even struggle to have even a solid budget and you struggle with even spending less than you make, you know, maybe some of those other larger investments and risks aren't for you.
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100%. And again, there's no one-size-fits-all. I mean, I've been in the investment business for years. One of the first people I worked with was a waitress at a Red Lobster. Never made more than $15,000 a year. This goes back almost 40 years now. But they had accumulated over a million dollars. And what they did is they didn't put it in the bank. They would buy Coca-Cola stock every month. And that, for them, was simple. All they did was buy Coca-Cola. Didn't do anything else. But it worked. But it's whatever works for you. It's not a one-size-fits-all. To the extent that you can get over your own limiting thoughts, to the extent that you can stop capping yourself, you open up a different level of wealth, a different level of financial opportunities today. that you might not otherwise have available to you.
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Okay. By the way, everything you just said, can't disagree with any of that. One other thing I want to throw in here, though, and I think this is one thing, and again, I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus, Eric, but I've talked to different people, I've had conversations with folk, and the one thing that I've also learned through the years is And maybe this is the moral side of it that we can talk about, but there's a lot of folks that feel like, number one, building wealth is somehow immoral. I don't believe that, by the way. In fact, I think it's actually the opposite, and God talks about it a ton in Scripture. So bottom line, I don't think it's immoral. I think it's all in what your motives are when it's all said and done. But second of all, I think that— For a lot of people, that extra work, for example, I know how many hours there are in a week, so do you, and I know that most people will work on average 35 to 40 hours. Maybe if they even work a little bit overtime, maybe it's 45 or 50. But the reality is you can work 80 and, by the way, still have a pleasant home life without too much troubling. I'm a guy, Eric, to this day still works 65, 70 hours a week with no problem. You could work 80 if you had to to try to get ahead. The issue is most don't want to.
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They don't want to, but they don't know how to spend their time. I'll give you an example. If I were to ask the average person what their limitations were, they can tell me without hesitation. If I ask them what their strengths are, they have to think for a minute. The travesty is that people spend most of their time making excuses as to why they can't reach their goals or achieve. Most people, if they have goals, they set them only a little higher than where they are today. True. They make a crazy goal that's like 10x ahead of where they are. Unreachable. Wildly optimistic. And one's demoralizing, and one isn't motivating. So almost everyone limits their goals based on what they've seen before. And when I talk about reframing, don't start... from the ground looking at the clouds, starting the clouds working your way down. How do I build steps, people, process, connections, thought processes, overcome limiting thoughts so I can reframe my situation and not look at it from normal perspectives, but look at it from different angles.
SPEAKER 14 :
Makes sense, and it's funny. I've listened to, read, followed Dave Ramsey. I've also listened to, read Cardone, who's the 10X guy, as you just mentioned a moment ago. Yeah. And it's funny. It's like, OK, wait a minute. Neither one of you guys are wrong. It depends on the crowd and the people that you're talking to. And I think there's time where having that 10x thought works really, really well for some people. Although I would tell you, Eric, and again, nothing against Grant. I think he's a great guy. I think he's done a lot of things. I think he's helped a lot of people. But to your point, there are some people out there that, by the way, that 10x, that's so audacious they'll never reach it and become so challenging that they give up too early.
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Yeah, and it's progressive. And I tell people your ability to be successful is very highly correlated to your ability to focus on a single task, the single most important task without distraction for a prolonged period of time. And people multitask themselves broke. One of the most dangerous things of social media isn't what you're watching. It's the attention span you're making shorter. Like now, you have a hook in a second and a half. You've got six seconds max. People watch three, four, none of the next, next, next, next. And the instant gratification, the inability to focus on a problem. And this is going to sound really crazy. Can you sit in discomfort and pain? for a prolonged period of time to think about a way out of it and restructure, reimagine? Or do you have to self-inoculate or distract yourself? And it's interesting, your ability to endure and persevere also is very important. So you go back to the envelopes, hey, It's a great start. He calls them baby steps. And that's a great way to start. It's a first step. I think what he realizes is they're not going to go down to start a music. It's a baby step. And it's the same thing with goal setting. And when I talk about my book, first chapter is permission to dream. And then how do you do it? How do you build momentum? How do you set your short-term goals in one day, three days, five days? And what I tell people is I miss goals all the time. But when I miss them, I reframe them. That's right. I reimagine. I go further. I realize, hey, I had other priorities. But it's not overwhelming. It's educational.
SPEAKER 14 :
I fully agree. And it's interesting what you said a moment ago about social media and how that can be a big drawback. And, by the way, I fully, fully agree with you. It's funny. Scripture is Scripture for a reason because it's timeless, and there's a reason why the Tenth Commandment says don't covet. In other words, don't compare yourself to what everybody else has and don't wish you had what they had. It's funny that even in our world today with all of the advancements we have, which, by the way, didn't exist in biblical times, you know what? All ten are still true, that one especially.
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They're all still true. And I had a grandmother and an aunt who would say amazing things to me. One was like, you know, there's two types of people, Eric. Those are humble and those are assumed to be. And the second thing was really amazing was if, you know, if you had their – If you had their life and their problems, you'd probably want to go back. That's right. And it's so true. If you look around, and depression is an interesting thing, and I know there's a lot of, it's a deep topic, but there's so many people that are sad or down on themselves. And I heard something recently, the person who's on their deathbed would do anything for an extra day. The person who could no longer walk would give anything to walk. The person who can walk but can't run would love to run. And we're always going to be aware of what we can't do or our limitations. And I think one of the greatest things in goal setting and in accomplishing things in life is also realizing that I need to be happy today. Right. Be grateful today. Right. You know, you went through a terrible marriage. Hey, I'm still here. I still have children. I still have the breath. I'm in debt. Hey, but I still have these other things. That's right. And you get a point of gratitude. And it's amazing when you have gratitude, then you can be creative. And then you can set goals and you can dream. Without it, it's much more challenging.
SPEAKER 14 :
My grandmother always told me, and it's something I've always kept to heart, if money problems are the only problems you have, feel lucky.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. You have no problems, right? Because those are overcomeable, by the way. Yeah, they are. And they really consume us. And I've certainly been guilty of this before, where you focus on the financial reward so much, and you get there, and it's kind of hollow. And how do you have joy each day? And the joy is the journey. It's not the destination.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's the journey. Very true. Very true. Again, it is Who's Eating Your Pie? Eric Ware. He's the author of Essential Financial Advice That Will Transform Your Life. You're also principal of WCM Global Wealth, LLC. How do folks find you, Eric?
SPEAKER 03 :
They can find me on Instagram at Eric, we are E-R-I-K-W-E-I-R. I'm also on LinkedIn, and those are two fantastic ways to find me, and I will reach out to you. So ping me, IM me, and I will get back to you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Eric, I always have a joy talking to you. We very much think alike, and I could go on for hours, but I know your time's limited. I appreciate you greatly.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's my pleasure, Antonio. Thank you so much for having me on.
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All right, we are back, kind of closing out today. I'm going to dovetail into what Eric was saying, and this isn't in my notes, so bear with me here. I get this question periodically. Sometimes it'll be from younger people. Sometimes I get it from folks that are even my age and definitely not a spring chicken anymore. And I'll get questions like, how do I get ahead or how do I get myself out of debt? And again, Dave Ramsey, for those that are really struggling in your paycheck to paycheck and you just can't seem to be able to get ahead, Dave's got some really great programs or has a great program along those lines his financial peace university i've never been through it but you know i've known people that have and there's some great resources that dave has and i'm definitely not against dave at all it's interesting though speaking of dave i watched a video of a guy that was interviewing him on the street i follow this kid that runs around and interviews very wealthy people and asks them what their secrets to life and wealth and stuff are and he interviewed dave the other day which i was really shocked at He caught Dave, I guess, coming in or out of a hotel or something, and he asked Dave how wealthy, you know, what's his net worth? And first time I've ever heard Dave admit this. He said, I'm probably a billionaire. Now, I can tell you this much. Dave knows exactly whether he is or isn't. But for him to even say those words, I'm like, Dave's done pretty well. And he has. And he's got a great formula. And he had some great advice for this young man, by the way, which may be one of these other future shows. I'll share some of what Dave actually had to say. But I get that same question periodically as to, you know, how do I get ahead? How do I get out of debt? You know, what can I do to get ahead of where I'm at today? And here's, I'm just going to share this with you guys. Here's what I usually tell people. First things first, everything Eric just said. First of all, analyze where you're at in life and what can you cut back on. If there's certain things that you're spending money on that you shouldn't, it could be a car that's too expensive. Maybe you made a bad decision buying a particular car. Maybe you need to dump that car and get a car that doesn't cost as much money. All sorts of things along those lines. What other expenses around your house do you have? How often are you eating out? Eating out still costs a lot more money. I don't care what anybody says. Trust me. You can do the math. You can always eat at home cheaper than you can eat out, no matter what anybody says. Now, if you're somebody that's got the means and you want to eat out, go for it. I could care less. You guys know me on that. Back at you. Have fun. Whatever. But I do know that you can still eat at home cheaper and more healthy than you can eating out all day long. I mean, remember that if you go and eat out, unless it's fast food, which none of that's healthy. Unless you're getting a salad or something and then don't put any dressing on it. Most people don't want to do that. So unless you're eating at a fast food place, remember, there's always a tip. You're paying somebody else to serve you. That alone. Typically, the tip is what you could have had a meal at home for. And I'm not exaggerating. If two people go out and it's even 15 bucks a pop, which that's not unheard of anymore. That's 30 bucks plus tax plus a tip. You just spent 45 bucks. And again, the tip alone, you could have eaten at home, and I'm not exaggerating. So, again, there's ways to evaluate where are you at, what are you spending money on, and what don't you need to spend money on. And by the way, that includes every area of your life, from what are you spending on your car, and insurance, and what kind of car are you driving, and, and, and, and, and. Do you have cable? Do you need cable? How fast of an internet speed do you really need? Are there better deals out there? I mean, I can go down the list. But reevaluate all those things. But honestly... Bar none, I've always been one of these. You can always cut expenses, yes. In fact, businesses can expense themselves, can cut expenses and cut themselves out of the marketplace, by the way. So cutting expenses isn't always the answer. Yes, you need to be diligent in your expenses, but typically what people need is more revenue. That's true with businesses. It's true at home. Now, in a business, sometimes that's a little more difficult to find. You've got to find new customers. You've got to go back to your existing customers. You've got to sell more. That's not always an easy answer. But you know what? When you're employed by somebody else, it is an easy answer. Go get another job. If you need more revenue, then go do more work or start something on your own or go mow lawns or go do whatever you need. Go be a day laborer for somebody on the weekends. I mean, there's all sorts of people. I see them all over the Internet asking, hey, I need help with this. I need help with that. Can I hire somebody to do this? Can I hire somebody to do that? You know what? You could go out on the weekends and make all sorts of extra cash pretty easily by just offering your services. But it's called work, W-R-K. It's a four-letter word. So typically when people ask me how do I get ahead, the first thing I ask is how many jobs do you have? Well, I just have one. Well, how many hours a week do you work? Well, just 40. Do you ever get overtime? Rarely. Well, then you're an easy candidate for a whole other job. You can have two full-time jobs if you want. And usually I get this blank stare back like, well, how am I going to do that? There's no me time. Yeah, that's the point. You're right. There is none. You're trying to get ahead. You're trying to get out of debt. You're trying to move the ball forward. There is no me time. The me time is I'm going to get ahead. I'm going to work harder than the next guy. And by the way, even with two full-time jobs at 80 hours, you still have me time. I've done the math. Anybody can't. It's not that hard. Seven days a week, take one full day off, gives you six days a week. You work X amount per day. You got to take time to sleep. I understand that. Again, do the math. There's plenty of time to work two jobs. At least a job and a half. But here's the real issue. Most people don't want to give up that free time. For example, tonight, Monday Night Football, most people want to sit and watch that. They don't want to be working. They want to be doing Monday Night Football or yesterday on Sunday or I can go down the list. The problem is we live in a day and age, in my opinion, where most people don't want to give up those niceties of life to actually get ahead. They want to win the lottery. They want to get ahead that way. By the way, lottery, poor man's tax. That's all it is. I was talking to somebody about that the other day. I said, well, you know, the lottery is just a poor man's tax. And I said, I've never had to play. Or I said, I've never played. And the comment back was, you've never had to. You're right. I've never had to because I've always wanted to work and get ahead and not worry about winning the lottery. It's a different mindset is my point. I've never played the lottery because I know I'm probably not going to win and I don't want to waste my money on that. I'm going to do more productive things to get ahead versus playing the lottery. And it's a mindset. That's the whole key to what I just said is, and Eric's right, you've got to change your mindset if you want to try to get ahead financially and not be that person, 60% of Americans that can't afford a $1,000 expense. Veteran Windows and Doors, speaking of saving money, you can do that with Veteran Windows and Doors. I talked to Dave earlier at 3 o'clock, and the way he does it is by cutting out the middleman. In other words, going direct to you. Talk to Dave today. Just go to klzradio.com.
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