In this episode, Tony Perkins takes listeners deep into the heart of current geopolitical tensions and pressing domestic issues. From the controversial recognition of a Palestinian state to President Trump’s powerful address at the United Nations, gain insights into the latest international developments. The conversation also navigates the complexity surrounding the recent debate over Tylenol’s suspected link to autism, revealing the unseen influence of the pharmaceutical industry. As discussions unfold, discover how these issues impact U.S. policies and the broader global landscape. Listeners will also hear from experts on the pressing matter of Antifa being designated as a domestic terrorist organization and the implications it holds. Congressman Warren Davidson shares critical insights into how these matters intertwine with America's national security agenda. This episode encapsulates the necessary dialogues Americans must engage in as the political sphere continues to evolve rapidly, inviting you to understand more deeply the stories beyond the headlines.
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From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
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We can't forget October 7th, can we? Now, as if to encourage continued conflict, some of this body is seeking to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state. The rewards would be too great for Hamas terrorists, for their atrocities. This would be a reward for these horrible atrocities, including October 7th.
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That was President Donald Trump at the United Nations General Assembly earlier today, warning that recognizing a Palestinian state would be a dangerous reward for Hamas. Welcome to this September 23rd edition of Washington Watch. I'm Tony Perkins, your host. Thanks so much for joining us. Well, coming up, leaders from a dozen countries, including Turkey, used sharp language against Israel at the UN General Assembly meeting in New York. Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan stated in an interview from New York that he doesn't consider Hamas a terrorist organization, but a resistance movement. Ohio Congressman Warren Davison will join me later. Also, President Trump signed an order designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization yesterday and called for an investigation into its funders. Kyle Scheidler, senior counterterrorism analyst at the Center for Security Policy, will join me to explore what this means and what happens next. Well, at the United Nations General Assembly meeting, President Donald Trump called for peace and justice in the Middle East, urging the world to stand against terror and protect innocent lives. He warned that recognizing a Palestinian state now would reward those who commit violence against Israel and threaten regional stability. Joining me now is Washington Stand reporter Casey Harper, who has been following this story throughout the day. Casey, President Trump, I listened to his speech, read the transcript. He did not hold back in this wide-ranging speech at the U.N. today. Let me ask you, what were the primary topics he focused on, and how are people responding?
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Well, you're right about that, Tony. He did not hold back. President Trump issued a strong warning today to the international community. He said recognizing a Palestinian state now would reward Hamas terrorists for their brutal terror attacks. Speaking at the United Nations in New York today, President Trump called for the immediate release of all the hostages, living and deceased, held by Hamas in Gaza.
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Instead of giving to Hamas and giving so much, because they've taken so much. They have taken so much. This could have been solved so long ago. But instead of giving in to Hamas's ransom demands, those who want peace should be united with one message. Release the hostages now. Just release the hostages now.
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While many world leaders at the UN have vocally expressed support for Palestinian statehood, Israel and its closest ally the United States remain steadfast in opposing moves they argue would embolden Hamas and undermine security in the region. And it's worth mentioning, Tony, another pretty shocking story today. The U.S. Secret Service discovered and dismantled a network of electronic devices within a 35-mile radius of New York City that threatened government officials just hours before President Trump's U.N. speech. According to officials, those devices are capable of disabling cell towers and aiding cyber attacks and were found and seized across multiple sites.
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Thanks, Casey. I guess the good news is they found it, they discovered it, but it also shows us how great the risk continues to be within our country. Sticking with what's happening at the United Nations, many countries, including Turkey, as I mentioned, have been highly critical of Israel. In fact, Turkish President Erdogan stated in an interview with Fox News that he does not consider Hamas as a terrorist organization.
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Yeah, that's right, Tony. In that interview with Fox, the Turkish president said he considered Hamas a resistance movement. But he didn't stop there. He used his speech at the UN General Assembly to call for wider recognition of a Palestinian state, a move that aligns with recent pushes from several countries. He also accused Israel of committing what he called a genocide. He said innocent people are dying and called for Israeli leaders to be held accountable under international law. It's worth noting that Turkey itself has a poor human rights record, and the president's government has been repeatedly accused of suppressing political dissent, limiting press freedom, and persecuting religious minorities, including Christians. One high-profile case, which I know you're familiar with, Tony, is the case of Andrew Brunson, who was unjustly detained in Turkey for two years before being released in 2018 following strong pressure from the Trump administration. But Turkey's decision is part of a growing opposition to Israel from more than 140 countries, leaving it increasingly isolated on the world stage.
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Well, thanks, Casey. You know, as Christians, we're called to pray for Israel, especially, I think, now, as its very existence is literally under a threat. And so I want to invite all of our viewers and listeners to pray and stand with Israel during this critical time. As it says in Psalm 122.6, pray for the peace of Jerusalem. May those who love you be secure. In fact, Casey, later this week, we're going to have a special focus on prayer for Israel during one of our editions of Washington Watch. I want to switch gears now. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy made headlines yesterday announcing a possible link between Tylenol and autism. Casey, what's the latest on that? That stirred up quite a bit of opposition.
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It did indeed. At the White House yesterday, President Trump and Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. suggested a possible link between autism, childhood vaccines, and the use of Tylenol during pregnancy.
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First, HHS will act on acetaminophen. The FDA is responding to clinical and laboratory studies that suggest a potential association between acetaminophen used during pregnancy and adverse neurodevelopmental outcomes, including later diagnosis for ADHD and autism.
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Now, the controversy is because those claims go against decades of established scientific research. Secretary Kennedy said the administration will launch an all-agency effort to explore all possible causes of autism, including toxins, vaccines, and drug exposures. And he urged doctors to use the lowest effective dose of Tylenol when necessary. Tony?
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TONY BLINKEN, Well, it's a big issue. A lot of people care a lot about it, as they should. So I'm glad they're looking at it, hope they will come up with answers. Casey, very quickly, any updates on the negotiations to extend government funding beyond September 30th?
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Well, President Trump, he canceled a meeting with top Democratic leadership over this standoff over extra spending attached to the CR. And now with Congress in recess this week, the deadline, October 1st, seems we're closer and closer to a shutdown.
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Well, we're going to watch that very, very closely. Thanks, Casey. Always appreciate the insights on what's happening. Well, joining me now to go further into the details of yesterday's announcement on autism is virologist and immunologist Dr. Robert Malone. He is founder and president of the Malone Institute, which aims to bring back integrity to government, the biological sciences, and medicine, all very much needed. Dr. Malone, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me on, Tony. These are interesting times. Extremely interesting times. You know, autism has surged nearly 400 percent since 2000. It affects one in 31 American children. You know, those who are kind of dismissing what the Trump administration did yesterday say that's just because we're doing better reporting. But it's not just that. Let's talk about what the president said and didn't say yesterday.
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Well, it's hard for me to know where to begin, Tony, with that kind of a lead in. What I found striking was the first words out of the president's mouth at the start of the press conference in which he said that he had been waiting for 20 years for this moment. I believe those were his statements. And, of course, Barron Trump is on the verge of turning 20 years old right now. He also referenced a meeting that he had, I had no idea that this had happened, between him and Secretary Kennedy 20 years ago. The president clearly has as a very key driver his advocacy for children's health and his strong feelings about autism. I want to quote three things that he said in addition. One is, I'm making these statements from me. That's his words. I talk about a lot of common sense. And this is really significant. This will be as important as any single thing I've done. The president feels very strongly about this issue, as does the secretary. And the data support him and the secretary that this is, in fact, an epidemic of disease in children, which has all the characteristics of an environmental exposure. This is not genetics. There may be a genetic component, but genetics don't change this rapidly. Now, the Secretary and the President has emphasized the role of folate receptors and potential therapeutic intervention that may help some children suffering from autism and ADHD. But the whole press narrative that this comes out of left field, there's no scientific support, that flies in the face of the fact that there have been data, and those data are quite strong, that have existed in the peer-reviewed literature now for many, many years. We provided a review of some of those key studies in our posting today on malone.news. And you can read the papers yourself and make your own judgment about that. But I'll defer to the opinion of the head of the Harvard School of Public Health, who unequivocally supports the thesis based on their work and her work, that there is a link between autism, Tylenol, and exposure in pregnancy. So this is not a wackadoodle from left field, Donald Trump just shooting off his mouth situation. And the pushback that, well, Bobby, show us the data. Well, the data have been out there for a long time. They've been suppressed.
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Well, let me ask you about that, because back when I was in office serving on the health committee, we had hearings on this issue and the research that pointed to possible connections were dismissed. I want to ask you this question. What role has big pharma played in either keeping this information from being taken seriously or outright suppressing it?
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So Tony, to be honest with you, I have not seen clear evidence that pharma and the pharmaceutical industry advocacy groups are behind this. It certainly stands to reason, but I don't see the smoking gun personally at this point I just see the outcome. There's no question that these data have been suppressed, that there's the usual methods of gaslighting and harassment and ridicule and, frankly, bullying that have been characteristic of the behavior of big pharma. But unlike, for instance, the smoking gun letter from Bio saying they wanted to get Bobby by the end of September, I haven't seen that smoking gun having to do with Tylenol.
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So what has kept this from seriously being considered? Why is it taken until now? You just have about 45 seconds left.
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I think it's a great question and one that I don't know that we have the answer to. There has clearly been a campaign to suppress any information or discussion about autism and potential linkage. And the case of Tylenol, understand that virtually all vaccines are associated with what's called reactogenicity. which includes fever. So what we have here potentially is what may be a correlation, not causation, of people treating fever with Tylenol. And of course, if that's the case, we have generations of pediatricians that have been advocating for the use of Tylenol because all the other anti-inflammatories are even worse.
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Dr. Malone, we've got to leave it there. We're up against a break, but we're going to continue tracking this. Don't go away, folks.
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Three years ago, the Supreme Court issued its historic Dobbs decision, a ruling that overturned Roe versus Wade, which for nearly 50 years imposed abortion on demand, silencing voters and bypassing the democratic process across the country. The Dobbs decision was a huge step forward against abortion, but it didn't outright ban it. It returned the power to the people. Now, 29 states have laws on the books protecting life. However, there's a catch. Abortion numbers since Dobbs have actually gone up with an increase of 12% since 2020, climbing from 930,000 to over 1 million in each of the most recent years. So how can this be? The answer is simple, the abortion drug. Today, over 60% of US abortions involve abortion drugs, many of these without medical oversight. In 2021, the Biden administration quietly removed bare minimum longstanding safety protocols for the abortion drug that have existed for 20 years to protect women from life-threatening risks and ensuring informed consent. The Biden DOJ then declared that they would not enforce the Comstock Act, which prevents the mailing of anything that causes an abortion. This is not only illegal, but also dangerous. A study shows nearly 11% of women who take the abortion drug end up in the emergency room with serious complications. Unless the Trump administration reverses these reckless Biden-era policies, pro-life laws will remain largely symbolic. Without a full review and repeal of Mifepristone, unborn lives will remain in grave danger, and pregnant mothers will remain at risk. Let's stand for life and end this mail order abortion drug pipeline. Sign the petition urging the Trump administration to take action at frc.org slash stop chemical abortion.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for tuning in on this Tuesday. Fascinating conversation with Dr. Malone. Unfortunately, ran out of time, but we're going to give you back on. We're going to talk more about that in the days ahead. I think it's something that definitely needs to be looked at. You know, so many people are affected by autism and it's growing. It's rapidly. What's behind it? Those questions need to be asked. Speaking of drugs and all of that, you know, today one of the greatest threats we face is the rapid rise of the abortion drug Mifepresto, now responsible for the majority of abortions in our nation, somewhere between 60 and 70 percent, if not higher. Now, FRC is committed to expose the truth about the abortion drug, protect mothers and the babies, and defend the sanctity of life. We now have more abortions today than we did before the overturn of Roe because of the abortion drug. So right now, thanks to generous friends of FRC, your support will have tripled the impact this week only. So to stand with FRC as we stand for life and for children for tomorrow, Simply text the word unborn. That's unborn to 67742. Stand with us as we stand with the unborn and stop the scourge of abortion in this country. The fight is not over. Text the word unborn to 67742. All right. The president of Turkey, as I mentioned earlier, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, seems to be living in an alternative reality. One day after stating that Hamas is a resistance group and not a terrorist organization, he told the UN General Assembly today that there, quote, is no war in Gaza. There are no two sides, end quote. He instead called it an invasion, a genocide. Now, keep in mind that Turkey is a NATO country, a supposed ally of the United States. Joining me now to discuss this, Congressman Warren Davidson, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. He represents the 8th Congressional District of Ohio. Congressman Davidson, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining me. It's always an honor, Tony. Thank you. All right, President Erdogan, is this an alternative reality that he's living in, that Hamas is not a terrorist organization and there's no war in Gaza?
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Yeah, he's manufacturing information there. Obviously, there's a war in Gaza. The whole world knows there is, and they want to change it. Unfortunately, a lot of countries are deciding to reward Hamas in their 10-7 massacre of Israelis, noncombatants, young people celebrating at a concert, and other horrific actions with the demands that recognize Palestine as a second state. He's gone even further to say, no, they exist, and Israel's just committing genocide against the peaceful people of Gaza. Absolutely crazy.
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Now, he is meeting with President Trump later this week. No doubt he's going to be asking for the most advanced fighter aircraft, the F-35s, which they have not been given, even though they're a NATO ally. Why is that important that they not have access to that technology?
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Well, in general, when we do foreign military sales, we do sell some sort of degraded capabilities to what we use for our own military to get a different electronic set. But you get the base airframe, and you get a lot of technology. So they've bought a lot of weapons systems from the United States, but they want the most cutting-edge things that they can get. They are a part of NATO. They have an incredibly important piece of geography. It would be better to have a great relationship with Turkey than to have a hostile relationship with Turkey. But Erdogan's making it challenging with a lot of his positions.
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When you look at that relationship in NATO, that prohibits us from looking into their nuclear capabilities and different things. I mean, I could see Turkey, and as you rightly point out, very critical geographical space that they occupy. But I could clearly see them with the agenda that Erdogan is pursuing being on the dark side, being on the other side.
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Well, they're kind of on their own lane. I mean, they don't necessarily want close relationship with Russia either. And so they kind of, in a way, have rejected this bipolar world between the Soviet Union and the United States. They ultimately sided with the United States and became part of NATO, but loosely. And you see that in the post-Cold War era. Turkey's kind of carved their own niche and been somewhat friendly with some of the groups that have caused a lot of disruption in the world. But on the other side, they've been pushing back against the Kurds who have committed acts of terror inside Turkey. So a complicated region, and Erdogan has certainly made it more complicated. But I guess, in a sense, he's looking at it saying, what pushes Turkey's own interests narrowly? And it's hard to see how this actually aligns with anybody. It's kind of his own island in a lot of ways.
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Well, I think he's made it very clear he wants to reestablish the Ottoman Empire. I mean, he's being driven by the Islamic religion, a once secular country now becoming very Islamist in its pursuit. Now, last week, speaking of that, you helped push through in the House Foreign Affairs Committee an amendment to the State Department authorization requiring a State Department report on free speech rights and censorship in NATO ally countries, i.e. Turkey. Why is that needed?
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Well, you have NATO countries and not just countries like Turkey, where, you know, yeah, they were originally part of the Ottoman Empire. They certainly, Erdogan has harkened back to a caliphate that he controls. And you see, okay, well, you recognize civil liberties might not be great there, but you're seeing civil liberties being trampled in the United Kingdom, in France, in Germany. And when I was in Hungary earlier this year, You had people from Western Europe claiming asylum in Hungary, in Eastern Europe, behind the Iron Curtain, former Iron Curtain. And so what are we defending? I mean, it goes back to J.D. Vance's question at Munich. What are we defending? And certainly not what's going on right now.
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Well, the president today at the U.N. made reference to this, and a large part of that is the migration of the Islamic community into these European countries. That's pulling the strings of leaders like Prime Minister Starmer in the U.K.
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yeah i mean he called uh... he called out the europeans especially for mass migration he called out the united nations for funding it and facilitating it undermining western countries uh... particularly uh... you know english-speaking countries and uh... but but really all of europe all of western europe they're having the same kinds of problems and they're modifying their culture to embrace islam basically and uh... london in particular so i mean you're getting in trouble for speech there for practicing your religion Meanwhile, how dare a Jewish man go near, you know, a no-go zone where there's five calls to prayer for Islam all day?
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Well, we're going to talk about this later in the program, but the president was very clear on his call at the United Nations pointing that out. Congressman Davidson, always great to see you. Thanks so much for joining us today. Appreciate your insight.
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Thank you, Tony. God bless you and all your listeners and viewers.
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All right. Thanks so much. Congressman Warren Davidson of Ohio. All right. Coming up, President Trump has signed an order to designate Antifa, that movement as a domestic terrorist organization. What does that mean and what will come from it? That's what we're going to talk about next. Then still to come, we're going to take a look at the president's speech at the U.N. That's later.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Check out the website, TonyPerkins.com. Better yet, get the Stand Firm app where you can have access to Washington Watch no matter where you go. And you can get our news feed, the Washington Stand, news and commentary from a biblical perspective. It's very important that we understand the events of our world through the lenses of Scripture. We help you do that with the Stand Firm app. Well, yesterday, President Trump signed an executive order to designate the Antifa movement as a domestic terrorist organization. The order directs the federal government to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations conducted by Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa. It also calls for investigation into and actions against the funding sources behind their operations. Now, given the unique makeup of Antifa, What could this move by the president actually accomplish? Joining me now to talk about this is Kyle Scheidler. He's the director and senior analyst for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism at the Center for Security Policy. He is also editor of Unmasking Antifa, Five Perspectives on a Growing Threat. Kyle, welcome to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us. It's my pleasure to be here. Thank you. So before we get into the mechanics of this, let's talk a little bit about Antifa. You know, we hear a lot about it, especially back after the George Floyd incident. But it's not like a typical organization or even a movement. Give us the background.
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Well, Antifa is made up of a series of autonomous cells, or what they would describe as affinity groups. These affinity groups come together to conduct direct actions, which can be everything from sabotage and violence to protesting, rioting, and the like. But they are not organized from the typical top-down hierarchical structure that we typically think of, if you think about a mafia kingpin or something like that. They're organized from the bottom up in these smaller structures. But they then connect these structures in a variety of different ways, including city chapters, regional networks, international networks, and the like. So they are actually heavily organized. They're highly organized. They are just organized in a very deliberate, explicitly anarchist approach.
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So isn't this this asymmetrical organization? I mean, this is kind of like the terrorist cells operate.
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Quite so. Yeah, absolutely. Or sometimes I'll give the example to law enforcement when I'm briefing them of a description of like an outlaw motorcycle club or a street gang where you have individual groups of people who are well known to each other, who work closely together, and they then have relationships with other groups and they derive benefits from that larger connection and from the name recognition of the brand. And there was actually in 2007 an Antifa manual, a forming Antifa group manual that was printed online. And one of the things they said was if you identify as Antifa, you carry certain obligations to the larger group and the larger movement. And so they have ways of determining connections and relationships through that sense of obligation that is created.
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So how will the government go about going after their resources and their organizational structure? I mean, given what you've just described, how can they go about taking down this domestic terrorist organization?
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Well, I think it's worth recognizing that there is technically no domestic terrorism organization list or designation that doesn't have at current any statutory authority. But what I think the president is indicating with this executive order is that he really intends a whole of government approach He expects to see every law enforcement agency and national security agency playing its part to address what he sees as a threat to the national security of the United States, and quite rightly, in my view. So certainly my hope is that they will take a whole-of-government approach, that we will see federal law enforcement utilizing all manner of counterterrorism authorities, but that they'll also look at certain white collar crime authorities, racketeering statutes, that they'll look at things like utilizing charity fraud to take on some of these community organizations and bail funds that help support rioters and get them out of jail. That they'll do things like, for example, utilize counterintelligence capabilities and authorities to target the connections between some of these organizations and foreign adversaries who operate abroad. There are a number of examples of ties to far-left terrorist groups, for example.
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I want to ask you about that, because while there's no domestic terrorist organization authority statute dealing with that, if they're connected internationally with these groups I don't know if we would use the term terrorists, but there's groups that find their way onto our international list. Would that be enough of a connection to use statutory authority to go after them?
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I think so. There are certainly a number of explicitly named Antifa groups that have conducted attacks overseas in some of our allied countries and even crossed international borders to conduct attacks against things like politicians and the like. So I think you could build the case for designating some of those Antifa groups abroad. and then backtrack to those connections that they have to international Antifa networks and then in turn to domestic Antifa networks. So I think with a little bit of work and investigative effort, you could put together a designation structure that would eventually have U.S.-based Antifa groups designated under a foreign terrorism organization. designation. But I recognize that it would be a challenge. The State Department would have to put some work in to make it happen. But I think it would technically be lawful.
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We just got about 25 seconds left. Funding. Where do they get their money?
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Well, most Antifa work is not that expensive, to be honest with you. They crowdfund a lot of it. They engage in all manner of community projects. Everything you can think of to do to raise money, they'll do. Book fairs, bake sales, and the like. but most of their larger expenses are bail money and transportation, and those tend to get provided by larger fiscal sponsor 501c3 organizations, some of which do have connections to progressive foundations.
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All right, Kyle, thanks so much for joining us. Great information. Stick with us, folks. We're going to be back with more after this.
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Thank you very much. So President Trump had run-ins with broken equipment at the United Nations, escalator, teleprompter. Those seem to underscore deeper complaints about the efficiency of the United Nations. Now, President Trump criticized the U.N. as basically being irrelevant, and it's because it's failed in its mission to ensure global security and stability. Here's one clip of what he had to say.
SPEAKER 19 :
The UN has such tremendous potential. I've always said it. It has such tremendous, tremendous potential, but it's not even coming close to living up to that potential. For the most part, at least for now, all they seem to do is write a really strongly worded letter and then never follow that letter up. It's empty words, and empty words don't solve war.
SPEAKER 02 :
Dr. Nolte, your response.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so when you look at the foundation of the UN, there's kind of three or four purposes. The first is to prevent World War III, right? And so the Security Council infrastructure is designed to prevent another global war. Whether it actually succeeded at that or was lucky in the fact that the Cold War never turned hot, that goal was accomplished for a very long time. Then there's also, if you look at the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, there's this idea of the UN promoting human rights. But the problem with that is that from the beginning, the Soviet Union, which is one of the worst human rights abusers of the 20th century, was on the Security Council and had a veto on pretty much anything. And subsequent to that, the People's Republic of China, which was admitted in the 70s, also has a veto and also has a horrendous record on human rights. So that was never going to be achievable. And then, of course, finally, there's the sort of peacekeeping and international development mission. And there you have a situation where there were a lot of high lofty ideals and no mechanisms for actually achieving that. And so I think the president's basically right. It has largely failed to accomplish that. most of these lofty purposes, the one thing that it could potentially claim credit for, and I think there's other factors as well, is that the Cold War never turned hot.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, just one aspect I think illustrates the president's comments about writing nice letters but not doing anything is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which almost, I think, all but maybe one member state has signed on to, but yet does not abide by, and the U.N. does absolutely nothing.
SPEAKER 13 :
UDHR was written largely by Dr. Charles Malick, who was a Christian statesman, actually gave a very famous address at Wheaton College back in the 1980s about Christian statesmanship. And there's a lot of good in it, and a lot of people have signed onto it on paper. But again, there's no mechanism for enforcement. And even when it was signed onto, you had the USSR playing a charter role in the UN, and the USSR, Stalin was in charge. So they're routinely violating UDHR even as they signed it. So it's a lofty ideal, but again, the UN's never had the capacity or really even the desire to enforce that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Moving on to another topic, President Trump also criticized Europe for their use of Russian oil as the war between Russia and Ukraine continues, which basically is funding that war. Play that clip.
SPEAKER 19 :
China and India are the primary funders of the ongoing war by continuing to purchase Russian oil. But inexcusably, even NATO countries have not cut off much Russian energy and Russian energy products.
SPEAKER 05 :
Cal, he talked a lot about returning to fossil fuels, getting rid of this green scam. And he was pretty critical about where Europe had gone when it came to the green energy deal.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yes, he was. And I think he was dead right on that. I mean, Europe has seen skyrocketing energy prices as it's tried to replace extremely energy-dense, power-dense hydrocarbon fuels, that's fossil, coal, oil, natural gas, with wind and solar, which are very low-density energy sources. And of course, when you're trying to go from low-density to to the extremely high densities that we actually need to power our electrical devices, to move our vehicles down the road and so on. The more you have to go from low density to high density, the more it's going to cost. So that's why Europe has been struggling so much. You've seen manufacturing move out of Europe into other countries. And at the same time, we've kept manufacturing here in the United States. Some people think that we've lost a lot. As a matter of fact, our manufacturing totals have remained very high. We haven't lost anything significant. And that's part of why the U.S. is doing so well. And, frankly, he's got really, really good people working with him. Lee Zeldin at EPA, Doug Burgum at Interior, and Chris Wright at Energy Department. These are men who really know their fields. They understand this stuff. And that's unusual for Cabinet members. It's really nice to see people who really understand the matters of energy and climate.
SPEAKER 05 :
Along those lines, in his speech, President Trump dismissed the threat of climate change. He pointed to predictions made over the years that turned out to be wrong, and he said they were made for bad reasons. I want to play that clip of him saying that.
SPEAKER 19 :
It's the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world, in my opinion. Climate change, no matter what happens, you're involved in that. No more global warming, no more global cooling. All of these predictions made by the United Nations and many others, often for bad reasons, were wrong.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, he's laying it all bare. I mean, everything they've been holding on to to grab power, he's just pulling back the curtain on it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah. And of course, as a president is wont to do, especially this president, he's talking in broad generalities and fairly simplified terms. And yes, there's been a lot of skullduggery behind the global warming, climate change alarmist movement. There's been some decent science as well. But the really important thing is to recognize that While human contribution to climate change is real, it is not catastrophic. The benefits that we get from the energy we take from fossil fuels far outweigh any of the harms that come from the warming. And the added benefits to all plant growth, especially to crop yields from the added carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, also far outweigh the risks from climate change. Even the UN itself in its 2018 special report on global warming of 1.5 degrees said that basically if we did nothing to slow global warming, It would only reduce global gross domestic or gross world product per capita. That's the value of everything that somebody produces in a lifetime. or in a year, it would only reduce that by 2.6 percent, meaning that instead of people making 9.1 percent, 9.1 times more per year than they would in 2018, instead they're going to be making 8.8 times as much per year as they did in 2018. And so what that tells us is that global warming is certainly not a significant threat to humanity. People are going to be roughly nine times better off in 2100.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, I think you just look at the economy, look at the economy of China that has been putting coal powered plants online every week. Their economy is continuing to grow. Their base is very energy dependent and they have cheap energy. And that's what you need to do manufacturing and to grow an economy. I mean, I think it didn't come up in today's speech by the president, but I think he understands that he's got to get America's energy base moving again if we want to continue to grow our economy and our GDP. Dr. Nolte, I want to bring you back in here on the topic of. Israel and Hamas. Now, again, I have to commend the president. He did not hold back on anything today. He framed the growing momentum for a two-state solution at the United Nations General Assembly as a reward for Hamas. Play that clip.
SPEAKER 19 :
We can't forget October 7th, can we? Now, as if to encourage continued conflict, some of this body is seeking to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state. The rewards would be too great for Hamas terrorists, for their atrocities. This would be a reward for these horrible atrocities, including October 7th.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, how can you not see that?
SPEAKER 02 :
I mean, he is absolutely right. How can you see it any other way? I think the only way you can see it any other way is deliberately not looking at it.
SPEAKER 13 :
So we just did a podcast on this through the Israel Institute and our Israel Institute podcast, and I'll summarize it very briefly. Recognizing a Palestinian state here now today in September 2025, you're recognizing something that doesn't exist, that doesn't have any governance capacity. where no Palestinian leadership has any legitimacy from the population they've actually governed, and no Palestinian entity has any ability to provide peace, order, and security over areas they have controlled thus far. So that's called a failed state by any metric. So you'd be recognizing a failed state, and also you'd be empowering Hamas because the dispute in Palestinian politics is, do we pursue a negotiated peace, or do we use violence to try to achieve our ends? And so the Europeans and the Canadians and Australians are essentially rewarding the pursuit of violence by recognizing a Palestinian state in this specific context and also without demanding anything from Hamas in return for that recognition. So it's unconditional recognition. Whatever they can say, the conditions are supposed to happen after the fact. And so it's absurd. And I think it can only come from this. These are mostly leftist governments can only come from this idea that simply by speaking, we can incept a reality into being that does not exist. That's the only way that you can convince yourself that this is a good idea. And unfortunately, that's just not how the world works.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was talking earlier in the program about the migration, the shift of population, and the fact that we see a number of – I mean, these European countries are being overrun by Islamic populations. That has to factor into the fact that you have the prime minister of the U.K., Starmer – dropping the conditions previously that he stated in July, that they would have to release all the hostages, disarm, and not be a part of any government going forward. Those conditions were not on there this time around on Sunday when he announced that they would support a Palestinian state.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think there's some of that. I think that there's part of the coalition. Most of these left-wing parties are being supported by Islamic groups. But also, I think that's letting them off too easily, frankly, because those left-wing parties are also the open borders parties. And so it's not like the Muslims are going to turn around and vote for the opposition that wants to shut off immigration. So they don't have anywhere else to go. I think that's part of it, but it's also just the sheer insanity of recognizing a failed state to try to punish Israel because you think that somehow by recognizing it, you can create a reality that doesn't exist.
SPEAKER 05 :
A final question I was throwing out for both of you. When you look at the wide-ranging topics that the president addressed, I mean, he hit on pretty much every hot-button issue. And then he kind of wrapped up by saying, follow our lead. You know, get rid of the green energy. Go back to... producing real energy and stop the migration, close your borders and take pride in who you are. I mean, pretty strong message. I wonder how that will resonate with the member countries. I'll start with you, Cal.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I think certainly the European countries are going to have to be learning lessons out of this. I mean, they're suffering the results of their essentially open borders policies, bringing on high rates of crime and just failure of immigrants to assimilate into their cultures. You can't keep a country going well long that way. I think they have a lot to learn from President Trump on this and from the policies that are now working in the United States. And I think that he was right to say.
SPEAKER 05 :
Dr. Nolte, I'll give you the final word.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think countries that have retained a sense of sort of self-confidence and national identity and desire for independence will receive it well. I think that countries that are struggling with those issues will not receive it well. And so it'll kind of end up being a Rorschach test of it will say less about Trump and more about actually where everyone else is, as Trump's comments so often are.
SPEAKER 05 :
So there'll be about a dozen countries that'll be like what he had to say. Gentlemen, thanks so much for joining me today. Great to see you.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thanks for having us.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you. And folks, thank you for joining us as well. By the way, Dr. Malone is going to join me again on tomorrow's program. We're going to unpack this whole thing with the autism a little bit more. So be sure and tune in tomorrow. Until next time, I leave you with the words of the Apostle Paul. When you've done everything you can do and you've prayed, prepared and taken your stand, by all means, keep standing.
SPEAKER 15 :
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Join Logan Sekulow as he engages in a lively discussion about the recent controversies swirling around Jimmy Kimmel's suspension and return to late-night television. With insights into potential PR stunts and the political motivations driving network decisions, this episode dives into the complexities of media bias and public perception. As familiar voices like Mike Pompeo and Rick Grinnell join the conversation, the episode takes a deeper look at political commentary's impact on viewership and brand loyalty.
SPEAKER 05 :
As Jimmy Kimmel returns tonight to ABC, the big question, was it all just a big PR stunt?
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome back to Sekulow. Will Haynes is joining me in studio. This is Logan Sekulow. Packed show today. Rick Rennell is going to be ending our show later on. And Mike Pompeo will be joining us in a few segments. You want to stay tuned for that. As phone lines are open for you, of course, we're reporting again on the news of the Jimmy Kimmel situation. As Jimmy Kimmel will return to air yesterday. You may have remembered when I was... Or not yesterday. Tonight. Tonight. Yesterday, when I was on the show, I got ahead of myself on the show. People said, what do you think? Jimmy Kimmel canceled. I said, I think he'll be on air by the end of the week. And I even said, I wish I had put money on it. And now I really do wish I had put money on it because Jimmy Kimmel has been reinstated. Jimmy Kimmel Live, which was never canceled. was suspended, production was suspended indefinitely. Now, when you put the word indefinitely on it, that is the spin problem, because that sounds like that could last forever. It's like when a band goes on permanent hiatus or whatever you call it. It just feels like a version of not saying we're broken up. Now, Jimmy Kimmel returns tonight, but sort of the big swerve is that both Nexstar and Sinclair Broadcasting, which again holds a massive amount of the affiliates, which is actually what you're watching. When you're watching ABC in your local market, you are not watching ABC. You're watching ABC programming on an affiliate station. I know it can get a little confusing, a little hairy. Now, most of the time to have a deal with ABC or have a deal with these networks, they do have to carry the primetime main programming. However, late night has actually always been one of those things that has gone in and out. Jimmy Kimmel in certain markets is on at 11. Certain markets is on at 10.30. Certain markets on at 11.30. It would just depend. I remember growing up when we were in Orlando, he would always start 30 minutes after the other shows because the local news preempted Jimmy Kimmel. Now, that being said, though, Sinclair Broadcasting, Nexstar, that accounts for a large percentage of the affiliates, which means a lot of you watching right now are not still going to be able to get Jimmy Kimmel Live in your local market. And the reason I present the question of is it a PR stunt is that once again, no one was really talking about these shows until Stephen Colbert, they announced Stephen Colbert was going to go off the air next year. And ABC very likely could have been like, you know what? We need a little bit of that. We need a little bit of that love that's coming in. I'm not saying that's what happened, but maybe even the Jimmy Kimmel producers said that and said, you know, what's going to happen here? What can we do to kind of get some people paying attention to the show we're doing right now? You know, that's the conversation that's happening. Maybe they decided let's push it over the line a little bit more. in the wake of the Charlie Kirk tragedy? What can we do to get people interested? Because you know what? I'll be honest, and if you're being honest with yourself, there's a good chance you would at least watch that opening monologue tonight if it was available in your region, in your household. A lot of you won't have it, but there's a lot of you that would have. Ratings will spike tonight. It's not unlike the Cracker Barrel situation, which I believe the Cracker Barrel situation, if I was a betting man on that, the entire thing was a publicity stunt. There was never a plan on it being turned into what it was. I've been saying that since the very beginning. The marketing department is always a step in front of the consumer. I think there's at least cleanup happening now at ABC. They did have a lot of backlash within Hollywood, a real protest to the streets. So a lot of people said, this is what finally got you to protest. Not October 7th, not any of these things. What got you to protest was a show you likely didn't watch was getting taken off the air temporarily.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's right. And when you look at the reaction, how widespread it was in the entertainment industry about Jimmy Kimmel being taken off the air, the silencing of his free speech, one, all that was ridiculous. But also, if the Trump administration silenced Jimmy Kimmel, Are they responsible for bringing him back? I'm very confused about how this fascism that they allege works when he's joining the lineup again tonight.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly. He was off air for about a whole three shows, I believe. A Friday and a Monday show. What do you think? 1-800-684-3110. Again, we're also joined by Mike Pompeo, Rick Grinnell, coming up in the next few segments. But phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. I did also want to tell you to support the work of the ACLJ. In the last few weeks, it's never been more important to protect free speech and protect our faith. You need to be part of the team right now. Go to ACLJ.org. We'll talk more about that coming up. What about Teseculo? As I said, our phone line's open right now. And I'm going to ask you, if you're watching on YouTube, just throw in the comments where you're watching from. I'd love to see that and kind of really see how much this could impact your local market and what's going on. Obviously, this is a whole free speech discussion. This is a media discussion that goes beyond... uh you know abc it is funny to me to see the left going on rants to cancel disney plus after the far right did that for what i feel like was the last four or five years of saying cancel all of your disney boycott disney i realize i don't think there's much that disney can do for me to cancel my subscriptions or not go to disney world i realize whether it's the far left or the far right i'm somewhere in the middle which is probably where everyone is going just entertain me put on a I'll still enjoy it if it's a good, well-produced production. I think Disney's kind of flaw in this entire spot was they should have said, which, look, I have to give it to Fox. They always do this for Gutfeld, is whenever there is a big breaking news story or a national tragedy, something like that, they say, hey, we're preempting the show tonight. We're going to take a breather. We don't want to inflame anything. And they do that in general because why that show is inherently political is on Fox News. Right. But so are these shows now. They didn't used to be, but now they are inherently political. If you think you can tune in and watch, and I'm not talking about a joke about the president, that should always be on the table. That should be something that is happening. That's pop culture. That is culture. But when you're talking about political commentary, that is what those shows had become, whether it was Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel, and to a lesser extent, but still Jimmy Fallon, where it felt like he was pressured into doing it. But Seth Meyers, who follows him, was exactly the same as the others. Seth is unwatchable because of how much it is just a political commentary show at 1230 at night.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, which is the last time you actually really want to be watching that. You should probably just go to sleep at that point. If you feel like Seth Meyers is something you need to watch. But I think this is interesting because, as you mentioned, Nextar and Sinclair, that's about 25% of the TV viewership audience just between those two networks of affiliates. That is a big portion of the country. That's a big portion of ad revenue. Obviously, Disney is going to see and ABC is going to see probably the biggest ratings they've had in a long time for his show. I would even expect... With that 25% chunk taken out, because I don't know how many people in those markets were watching it in general. We know that the ratings were low. It wasn't doing great. There was only about 220,000 in the demo that were watching. I feel like they can make that up in Los Angeles alone tonight with the solidarity watchers that are going to be doing it. And I do think, though, as it exploded into this whole discussion of free speech, We were critical of the comments that the FCC chairman said. I mean, we traditionally are more anti-FCC in general about government overreach.
SPEAKER 05 :
In terms of content. Right. I think a content moderation, the FCC at this point, is virtually worthless. I think it's a waste of money, probably a waste of tens of millions of dollars. You're looking for a place to cut. It is a good place to start looking. Now, do I think the FCC serves a good purpose? Yes, because there are things like air traffic control, the way that the sound and the way we connect on different things. There's a lot of things in terms of communications that do need some government assistance and oversight because for our own safety. Right. I believe that that is 100 percent what I'm talking about. is a group of people listening to the radio and watching television and deciding what is good and what is bad, what is moral and what is immoral, because the line is so blurry. This is not the 1950s, this is not the 1960s. What they're allowed to do on terrestrial television, over-the-air television, or whatever you wanna call it, the basic networks, is so far and beyond maybe why the FCC had this in the first place. I mean, remember you go back and in just our lifetime, not our lifetime, but our parents' lifetime, you know, Lucy and Ricky slept in separate beds, right? You know, I mean, that's how extreme it was. And now a lot of that was regulation. Right. Was what was decent on the air. Now look at what you've been watching on ABC, CBS, NBC, these networks, whether that's from their comedy sitcoms, whether that is from their dramas, whether that is from their comedy late night shows. If you look at all of that and you can tell me that it's G rated, who are we talking, what are we talking about now? So you have a whole group that now, when the FCC started to say something like this, I don't like it. I don't think it's necessary. I think the FCC at this point needs to stay out of content moderation. This is my opinion, by the way, not the organization's opinion. We haven't really done a deep dive organizationally, but this is just someone who is, I've always sighed on away from censorship. But I also don't like the idea of the government getting involved. They've gotten involved a lot in religious broadcasting over the years. I was talking to one of my friends, you know his name, a longtime family in Christian television. He said, yeah, his family had to go talk to the FCC so much in the 80s. The amount of money they had to waste because they were just trying at that point to talk about Jesus on the air. That is what happens when the shoe is on the other foot.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's exactly why we pushed back against things like the fairness doctrine for so long as an organization is because the heavy hand of government wasn't wielded even handedly. It was going after mostly religious broadcasters and trying to force religious broadcasters to showcase the other points of view about faith. On religious broadcasting. On their own networks.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
But this is an interesting question. This comes from YouTube that says, if Jimmy Kimmel had asked ACLJ to defend his free speech rights, what would the ACLJ do? And that's where I think this becoming a whole free speech issue, I think it disproves the theory that this was the FCC putting pressure on Disney. The fact that he's going back on air today. It was 100% a business decision for them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. If this was a decision that you could say you could draw a direct correlation to the government overreach and government doing this, sure, I think there could be something that could be said there. However, it was not that. I don't think the FCC should have commented. but at the end of the day, it was a corporate decision by Disney. And now it's going to be a corporate decision on how they're going to distribute this broadcast. What are the rules and regulations? If it's blacked out in your market, can they put it on Disney Plus? Can they put it on a free streaming service? I know that they were being put on there later on, you know, clips and things and full shows later on, but what about, you'd say the live airing. It's not live, but the live airing. That's going to open up another door, and is that what tries to get people to go? I know they've talked about that with shows like Saturday Night Live, where maybe they would move exclusively to a Peacock platform for NBC to drive numbers up for Peacock, and because they didn't really want to have to deal with the censors and everything that was going into what was this late night comedy show that are made by the way in rapid speed. Most of them written the same day. So you got to imagine dealing with standards and practices is not easy. So if you can move it to your streamer, you better believe they will just in terms of, but you have to have the audience and that's, that's the big deal. But you know what I mean? I've watched recently, Peacock launched their version of a new spinoff of The Office. The paper. The paper. Enjoyed it. However, what was shocking to me, and this is maybe the prudish of me, is the language in it is of an R-rated movie. but you're coming off of almost building a brand on a PG-13-ish vibe. What can be on TV. What can be on TV. So it feels like what could be on TV. Our brains are accustomed to this, like a sitcom having words that we're not used to hearing. But that's just me talking as a consumer, by the way, not as the government. You want to take a phone call?
SPEAKER 07 :
Let's take a phone call. Yeah, let's go to Ronald calling from South Carolina on line one. And if you want to be on air, call 1-800-684-3110. But Ronald, you're on Seculo.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I see that this, all the late night shows, and I think that Logan literally hit the nail on the head that it is literally just a way, a platform for the liberal left to use and to bolster their point of view, because there are very few shows, especially on national TV, where the conservatives actually have a platform to voice their opinions.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I mean, Ronald, I think your other thing would be that Greg Gutfeld became the number one late night show in the country almost immediately after launch. Now, some of that is Fox News has a very dedicated audience of millions of people that watch every night. But he got in that discussion real quick, and he's cable, and the rest of them are, again, traditional networks, ABC, NBC, Fox. But what you can obviously take from that is, is that that doesn't really matter anymore. And it matters less and less as the days go on. So once again, as I said, if we were policing these things, if they were still being the FCC of the 50s and the 60s, which I don't believe they should be, by the way, but if you were that, okay, you could say, all right, well, they highly police what goes over the air. But that hasn't been the case. That hasn't been the case since really the 80s, maybe even the 70s, where this has happened. So who are we trying to kid in terms of being prudish Americans? That doesn't exist in modern media. There are great options for that, by the way. If you're looking for clean entertainment, obviously I'm all about it. I'm all for it. Whether that's Christian music, whether that's Christian television, or there's options like Great American Family, which really spun off the idea of you can no longer trust... a lot of the what felt like the family safe hallmark like you just mentioned even with the office spinoff like yeah you just wouldn't expect it some of that's building brand trust brand loyalty you know they've thrown all of that out the window and that's why i start to lean on were we being played were we being played the whole time what do you think you think about the cracker barrel situation i think we were being played i love cracker barrel but you know what i think that entire thing You know, they're pulling the signs down now. You see the videos of it. They're putting all... Give me a break. Okay. 1-800-684-3110. We'll be back with more on Sekulow. Join us. And we're going to have also coming up Mike Pompeo next segment. welcome back to secular mike papay was joining us right now senior counsel for global affairs to set up what's going on though president trump just spoke at the u.n general assembly this happens today of course uh after the launch of the jewish high holy days uh with rosh hashanah and the jewish new year happening uh as we speak right now uh started last night we had a celebration at our home uh and discussed you know the the history and the legacy of that of course this is under a time when when israel is under a pretty extreme attack of course president trump though uh this isn't even the clip that we're going to play but i saw a clip earlier he brought up the hostages brought up israel because you know what when other people can't be there for their religious reasons at least president trump was there let's go ahead though and hear from president trump to set up this conversation bye too
SPEAKER 01 :
What is the purpose of the United Nations? The UN has such tremendous potential. I've always said it. It has such tremendous, tremendous potential. But it's not even coming close to living up to that potential. For the most part, at least for now, all they seem to do is write a really strongly worded letter and then never follow that letter up. It's empty words and empty words don't solve war. The only thing that solves war and wars is action.
SPEAKER 05 :
Secretary Pompeo, you've been involved in this kind of action for many, many years and been involved, of course, but President Trump directly calls out the UN for essentially doing nothing. stop any wars like he says writing letters making statements now we've always said it's very important for the aclj team to be there and i do think where it's important for us to be there because we have to be able even to fight back with words when necessary but isn't this what the un is supposed to prevent aren't they the ones that are supposed to be going out there saying we need to have calm we need to stop wars but it seems like their language always uh it fires it up
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, good afternoon. That's exactly right. Look, the UN, I wouldn't have said this 10 years ago, but now having personally experienced this and now watched it for the last four and a half years after I left office. you can see very clearly that the UN has become dysfunctional. It no longer serves its intended purpose. When war breaks out, does anybody think, let's go to the United Nations and solve this? I think the answer to that's no, and they turn instead to the United States for that kind of leadership. And so my judgment, the UN has become incapable of accomplishing its mission. The president said he still thinks it has high potential. I'm not confident that that's actually true. I think we need to refresh and start over. After 75 years, I'm not sure the United Nations is any longer fit for purpose. It doesn't help keep peace.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and Mr. Secretary, to that point as well, while he said it has tremendous potential, his olive branch that he almost reached out was more directly to individual nations. He said, I am here to offer the hand of American leadership and friendship to any nation in this assembly that is willing to join us in forging a safer, more prosperous world. So while he was... Saying that there's tremendous potential with the UN, he was very, I feel like, direct in also saying, listen, we understand that we need to go directly to nations to be able to form these partnerships to make a safer world because the UN is not going to be the one that does this.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, that's exactly right. He was offering an alternative vision for how we get to a more prosperous, more stable world, right, with a lot more peace and a lot less risk for American young men and women who serve in our armed forces. He was definitely at that, and I think he's right. And you see that with all that's going on in the world today, right? You see so many places where the UN simply can't step in and solve it, but many of us working together, individual nations or coalitions of nations, can actually do that and achieve a good outcome for them and, most importantly, for the United States of America.
SPEAKER 07 :
Another thing that's been happening around this UN General Assembly is we saw the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, they recognized a Palestinian state. And yesterday, France, at a two-state solution meeting with Saudi Arabia, also formally announced that they will be recognizing a Palestinian state. What was interesting to me is both the UK Prime Minister and his statement tried to say this isn't a reward for Hamas. And President Macron yesterday also said that this is bad for Hamas, that they are recognizing this Palestinian state and that it will increase the odds of Israel being able to live in peace with their neighbors. Meanwhile, we saw Hamas senior members praising the recognition of Palestinian states, saying that anything that moves the legitimacy of the Palestinian people forward, they welcome. What's your take on what the... members of the U.N. and very close allies of the U.S. are doing? And is it in any way make Israel safer or in reality, does it reward Hamas?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, goodness. You know, I kind of separate out the Gulf states and their views from these European knucklehead leaders. I use that term generously because that implies that there's some sanity to what they've done. But the reality is what they've done is created an enormous amount of risk not only for Israel, but for the greater Middle East and for themselves and for the United States of America. There's there's no there is no Palestinian state today. I don't know what it is they're recognizing. It seems like pure fantasy to me. And, you know, I always ask I always ask when I hear people talk about we're going to recognize who's going to come to the meeting. Like, who would you want to sit with? You want to lead to the terrorist leader from Hamas? Are you going to go sit with Abu Mazen, who's, you know, in the, you know, 20 years on or so from his four-year term in Judea and Samaria. There is no state today. What we ought to do is work towards developing a peaceful solution. It's what President Trump's been trying to strive for. And that is not going to happen so long as Hamas continues to have the capacity to engage in armed conflict. And as long as the Iranian regime continues to fund Hezbollah, Hamas, and the other folks in the region who are committing these acts of terror against Israel.
SPEAKER 05 :
And that feels like a long road, Secretary Pompeo. I think when I heard Stammer going out there saying, you know, this is what our plan is. But our plan also says we cannot have Hamas in control. We need to stand shoulder to shoulder with our Jewish brothers and sisters. And here's why. Because we have to make sure we have a new government, a new leadership in place. We need to make sure they're not being funded by all these other countries. To me, it's like you make this big declarative statement. with no teeth because you know that though the hope is that we could get there one day but that right now none of that's even on the table at this point
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, I think that's right. And I must say, too, the timing of this is especially outrageous to me, not only during a Jewish holiday, but as we are now just a couple weeks out from the anniversary of the slaughter of Israeli citizens. By the way, Israelis, Islamic, Muslim Israelis, Jewish Israelis, Christian Israelis, and 48 hostages are still being held. It is pretty outrageous for them to go to the U.N. and claim they want peace, while the folks who are holding hostages have absolutely refused any terms that make any sense for anyone.
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Secretary Pompeo, we always appreciate you joining us. And look, I haven't spent a lot of time today or this week talking a lot about the ACLJ and the specific work we do. But having your voice is always great to have someone who has been there, been in these rooms, been a part of the conversation. Of course, when we join later on by some more people who have done that as well, because we have a second half hour coming up on this broadcast. If you don't get us on your local radio station, if you are listening on a terrestrial radio or listening on Sirius XM. Actually, SiriusXM carries the full hour, right? So just the terrestrial radio stations, some of them don't carry the full hour. You can find us broadcasting live on ACLJ.org. However you get your podcasts, however you get your web series, your streaming series, you can find us on YouTube, on Rumble, Facebook. We are available on all those sort of platforms. Then later on, you can find us archived. But we're live from 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern time. I always make sure that I tell people that. 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern time, Monday through Friday. And I encourage you, if you're new, if you have never watched us on YouTube before, you never watched us on Rumble on YouTube, we have over 524,000 subscribers. I encourage you to join that group. Be a part of it. Hit that subscribe button. Be a part of the team here. It's always a good way to start your journey here with the ACLJ. If you've been with us for a long time, I will encourage you, if you have a potential to make a donation, it's a great time to do it. Just go to ACLJ.org. Any donation really counts right now. It helps us out, whether that is our media operations, whether that is the broadcast that you hear whether that is our legal work that we do each and every day we're going to be talking about more about that coming up and if you need legal help by the way we're always available for you at aclj.org help that's at zero cost to you as the client that only exists because people donate to do that today back with the second half hour in less than a minute keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever this is seculo
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And now your host, Logan Sekula.
SPEAKER 05 :
Welcome back to Sekula. Will Haines joining me in studio. We have Rick Grinnell joining us a little bit later in the broadcast. And what that means, because he's going to be joining us at the very end. I want to take phone calls in the meantime. So give me a call right now at 1-800-684-3110. Let's go ahead and take some. Cambria is calling. Cambria is an ACLJ champion, which means they give on a monthly recurring basis, like a membership fee. And we really appreciate that. They do it not because they get something special. They get special treatment. Though here I usually bump them up to the front. They do it because they want to set it, forget it, and make sure that they are supporting the work of the ACLJ. But Cambria in Utah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you. I just wanted to speak towards the Disney Plus and all of that topic. I canceled them, not because of Charlie Cook, not because of the shenanigans of ABC, because I believe it was I forgot the word you used, but it was a setup. But to make it clear, I was a Disney fan. I'm part of their legacy. My grandfather worked for them for over 40 years. And his name's all over the place. However, that loyalty does not replace my moral compass. And because Disney is supporting all these other things, that's why I canceled. And even if They came out with a God-fearing movie. I would not support it because it would line the pockets of those who hate God.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Cambria, I'm not cutting you off. I believe that that's up to you as a consumer. If you decide that you do not want to support a certain company or certain organization. More power to you. That's the beauty of capitalism, that you get to show off and say, you know what? With your pocketbook, you can say, or with your wallet, you can say what you want to support and what you don't want to support. I'm not saying people need to do that or not. I tell you, I have not canceled my subscriptions. I have not done that. And not to say that I wouldn't or I wouldn't consider it. There are certain things that I don't do anymore. I don't eat Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Ben and Jerry's lost me completely. What have they ever done, Logan? Ben and Jerry's lost me completely with the way that they treated not just the plight of the Palestinians, which I understand can be a kind of a heart pull, even if you disagree with some of the things going on. they were treating Israeli citizens, Israeli businesses, tremendously bad. So with that, I had to say, okay, that's enough. I'm not going to support this anymore. Now, when it comes to Disney, I think you have a publicly traded company that is beholden to its stockholders. If the stockholders make enough noise, responses can happen you actually have seen that they've actually changed over the last year or so two years or so where they have backed off a lot of the programs that they once held um you have seen bob eiger meeting with president trump you have seen bob eiger making some pretty big moves as they brought him back to try to bring disney at least back to a politically neutral company now that is way easier said than done uh when a lot of the damage had been done But what you actually saw this time was that the left was who was saying we're canceling Disney. For why? For throwing Jimmy Kimmel off the air. Now, if they had just read a little further, they would have read, oh, this show is suspended right now. And I think Disney probably could have been clearer and said, that's why I do believe there is part of this was PR. They could have said, we're postponing the show for the rest of the week due to the current climate in the world. And we want to make sure that we are respectful of that. And we don't want to put our foot in our mouth in any way possible because we know there's a good chance that that will happen. If you have an open mic, and trust me, Will and I can attest to this, you have an open mic for an hour a day, you're going to say something inevitably that's going to make someone mad. You're going to say something wrong. We're never perfect. Specifically, we don't have scripts in front of us, which a lot of us do not. This is all coming off of our brain in real time. But when it comes to the Jimmy Kimmel situation, it's very different. Now, in the next segment, I want to hear from you. Carol and Debra, stay on hold. Phone lines are open. We've got four lines open. 1-800-684-3110. That is 1-800-684-3110. And I want to take as many calls as I can in the next segment, because in the last segment, we're going to hear from our friend Rick Grinnell. Now, Rick has obviously been a member of our team for many years. He was at the Charlie Kirk Memorial, so we can even ask him about that as well. But we can also discuss President Trump at the U.N. General Assembly, as he's been involved in that. And we can talk about his involvement. He's a Hollywood guy. We can talk to Rick about that. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Secular. I'm going to take your phone calls in this segment because the next one we're going to be joined by Rick Grinnell. So I want to make sure we get to as many voices as we can. Let's go to Carol in Colorado, line one. You're on the air.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hello. I've been one of your members for years. Thank you. And support you. What a blessing. I was just so thrilled that they were going to clean up America. That's what we've been trying to do and pray for our country. And all they're doing is just throwing garbage at us. and trash, and I was just disappointed And then if they can have a girl lay on a desk and start taking her clothes off.
SPEAKER 05 :
I'm not sure exactly what we're talking about on that one. And I'm not cutting you off because we're on terrestrial radio. We actually do have rules. The FCC can't go after us. So I'm not sure exactly what we're talking about here. But Carol, what I will say is I know there was a lot of celebrating. And I think there's a lot of people prematurely celebrating someone getting kicked off the air. You know, I'm not necessarily someone who has been kicked off the air before. I understand that it is the network's decision if you don't align with their policies. And Will brought up an interesting point, which was remember when they were going to bring him back on the air was just a few days ago. They were having ongoing discussions with him before they had had decided to suspend. Yeah, it was it was the day after he made those remarks. Remember, because his initial remarks were very good. very very unifying jimmy kimmel second day makes this statement about you know labeling essentially the shooter potentially as a as a maga guy that causes a lot of controversy disney brings him into the office and say all right let's figure out how we're going to handle this tonight and all reports lead to saying that jimmy kimmel was going to essentially double down and they said we need to let cooler heads chill and that's precisely what disney did i think that's the right decision And sure, did a lot of people maybe prematurely get excited thinking, oh, Jimmy Kimmel's going to be off the air? Yeah, I think they did. I don't praise anyone losing their job like that, but I do think there are some consequences to your actions. I look forward to seeing what he has to say tonight, along with America. I haven't watched an episode, we talked about this, of Jimmy Kimmel Live. probably in 15 years. Right. It's of the three that were airing, or still airing, he was my probably the least one that I would go to. Now, originally when he launched, I thought it was a very innovative, interesting show, just like Jimmy Fallon when he took over for Jay Leno. They made very interesting shows, but they all kind of, as they get older, fall into the same tropes, and his show became so fiercely political. I used to love it. Dickie Barrett was the MC, or was the, whatever you call it, the... Band leader? No, he wasn't even the band leader. The host. He was the announcer. Yeah. He was the announcer. Dickie Barrett from the Mighty Mighty Boston. So, like, he connected with me many ways early on. Obviously, he came off The Man Show, which was highly popular on Comedy Central. Highly divisive, though. Highly divisive. I mean, at the time, it wasn't as much because it was the 90s, and, you know, things were just a lot cooler. But then, now... He became so politically hot-headed. That's the same with Stephen Colbert. I was a huge fan of David Letterman, not as a person, not as a guy, not his personal life. I know nothing about him, really, but as a host. Very funny, dry, could be mean, but was not necessarily mean in the terms of his audience. The politics were there. And then, of course, you have Leno, and then you have Carson, who were like... they were so even-handed politically that you didn't even know who they would have voted for. You had no clue who either of them would have voted for because they were either even-handed or said nothing, which is probably where it should land.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and honestly, as people wanted to say, this is censorship. This is a free speech issue. And we've already talked about the comments made by the FCC chairman. But here's the reality. Here's what real censorship is. Here's what real government overreach is and using the power of government to silence someone. Gerardo Boyle, who was an FBI whistleblower that we represented at the ACLJ, he got a real indefinite suspension. where he was suspended without pay for years. His security clearance was suspended, revoked. He couldn't go get another job to support his family because he was still technically an employee of the FBI just without pay and on indefinite suspension. That is real government oppression of someone for what they say. Disney deciding after having a meeting with the guy and he was like, here's what I'm going to say. And Bob Iger is like, I don't think you should say that. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to decide when you can come back, but it's not going to be this week. In three days, that's hardly an indefinite suspension. That is hardly censorship. That is a business decision to try to get through something and see where they go from there. And I don't think he's going to be hat in hand, very humble tonight. I think he's going to be the exact same thing he was last week. So no, this wasn't censorship. This wasn't a freedom of speech issue. This is someone on a broadcast network where the heads of that entire company, global company, decided, you know what? We're going to pause for a minute. And then what they do? They bring him right back. And there's also Walter Kern, who is very well-respected. Yeah, wrote him up in the air.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Has worked with Matt Taibbi a lot. But he put this out. And now I've looked around. I haven't seen any sources confirming that this is the truth. But if he's saying it, someone's either telling it or this is him just being the cynic that he is. But he says California Newsom on Kimmel now after publicity stunt lead up. If that is the truth, then yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
So he's also claiming it's a publicity stunt.
SPEAKER 07 :
He's claiming it's a publicity stunt, but if it is something like Gavin Newsom,
SPEAKER 05 :
on the night that they're going to have the most eyeballs if it is something like that then yeah the whole thing was a political stunt all right let's take some phone calls a lot of you are calling in a lot about this and also a lot about the un and then you make sure we take both of those because like i said in the next segment we're going to hear from rick grinnell let's start um let's start with deborah who's actually asking about the un and then we'll move back to jimmy kim we'll kind of bounce back and forth deborah in pennsylvania go ahead
SPEAKER 12 :
Hi. I think when I called, I was a little bit confused between the UN and NATO, and they're not interchangeable, but somewhat they are, that if everybody is supporting the Palestinian state, which has no land and it has no people, but we're still supporting it, does that mean that the United States, it's incumbent upon them to follow...
SPEAKER 07 :
um the palestinians into war no deborah so the difference with nato which has a military alliance uh the north atlantic treaty organization it has the the details in that treaty of how this group defends itself the united nations is a diplomatic body uh these people that are these nations that are recognizing a Palestinian state, they are essentially saying we will have diplomatic relationship with them. Many of them already had a mission from the Palestinian, from the Palestinian Authority. Now they're going to upgrade it to embassy status, try to make it look more impressive than it is. But there is no obligation at all for the United States or even for the United Kingdom or France to actually do anything other than having diplomatic relations with a
SPEAKER 10 :
state that doesn't really exist and doesn't have a government so it that that's all it means it's more empty words on paper than anything now let's bounce back to the jimmy kimmel conversation michael in florida watching on youtube line four go ahead gentlemen with regards to jimmy kimmel he still has the first amendment right to have a the freedom of speech the issue becomes the avenue by which that is supported and or aired with ABC or Disney channels. The subscribers of that who are the lesser, the channels locally that air it, also have a choice as to whether they want to air his viewpoints. So...
SPEAKER 05 :
you know, it's not a freedom of speech issue. Yeah, I think, Michael, that has been a ridiculous overreach that this was a freedom of speech issue. Now, if the FCC is coming down on you and a network is having to make that decision based on that, I think an argument could be made. But if we're talking about just an organization, if you have a boss, if you've decided to work for an organization that has a boss, guess what? The boss is going to make that decision. You are working for them. Now, what is weird is, and I'll be honest, because this is going to be a little bit of a CLJ pitch, is we're fully independent. I was listening to one of my friends who's also fully independent. And he said, you know what? Sometimes it's nice to have that boogeyman boss because you'll rally behind those guys. But a lot of times you won't rally behind us independent sources, us sources that have no one telling us what we can and can't say, which is fantastic, by the way. Of course, YouTube could say that. They could de-platform us. Any of these can. We've had that hot conversation for many years. Thankfully, we have not. We've grown a massive audience there because they have at least turned the corner on free speech. But what was good for Jimmy Kimmel? What was good for Jimmy Kimmel was to have a bad guy. A lot of us out there, we are the only voice for the independent. And if you're the voice of the independent, you need to support those people. You need to support the people that are out there making these decisions, not based. If you're watching this on a network right now, they're not paying us. I'm just telling you that. Quite the opposite.
SPEAKER 07 :
And this is just coming out from Jim Jordan. This is great. Due to the oversight efforts in Congress, Google has committed to offer all creators that were kicked off YouTube due to political speech violations to return to the platform. They also, YouTube has admitted the Biden administration's censorship pressure was unacceptable and wrong. That was real government overreach. We actually defended... Charlie Kirk in Turning Point, USA, represented them on a brief to the United States Supreme Court about this very issue, the censorship of their platform under the Biden administration. So once again, if you want to talk about free speech issues and the government pressuring people, look to the last administration, not this one. And we're going to keep fighting. But these are big wins.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, we'll keep that updated. Coming up next segment, Rick Grinnell is joining us. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulo. Rick Grinnell's joining us right now. But I first wanted to kick us off by going to the phones. Let's go to Cliff, who is an ACLJ champion. That is someone that gives on a monthly recurring basis. We always appreciate when they call in. Cliff, you're probably going to be the last call of the day. Make it good. You're in Illinois. But I know you had a comment. I think this is going to be a great segue into our segment here with Rick. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hi, are you there? I am here. We're here. All right, good. Listen, I'll go real quick. Uh, I watched Trump's feature at the UN. What a, what, what a show that was, huh? Um, That's pretty dirty pool how they scheduled this thing to go against a nation that was attacked and they couldn't even represent themselves. I think these things are scheduled. That was really a dirty thing to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Cliff, of course, is referring to this happening, this UN General Assembly meeting happening during the Jewish New Year celebration during Rosh Hashanah. where Israel cannot really represent themselves. But thankfully, you do have President Trump out there, and he made some really strong statements in support of the hostages, going after Hamas, saying we need to get this done, where Hamas, he said, has repeatedly rejected reasonable efforts to make peace, and that they were being rewarded for horrible atrocities, including October 7th. And we have to get the hostages back. That was from President Trump earlier during this UN meeting. Now, Rick, you've been involved so many times on these kind of meetings and these kind of situations. I want to get your readout of just what went on today and what that could look like, hopefully for a future.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, look, we are all really used to President Trump being filled with common sense and speaking very plainly and transparently. And we see it every day, right? He goes to the Oval Office. Americans are watching this. We're quite used to it. That room is not used to it. That room is filled with diplomats who are shocked that the president of the United States is just so much more filled with common sense, right? He is somebody who calls out countries, compliments countries, depending on what they need. He was criticizing the UN in a very normal way of, I just arrived here, the escalator's not working, now the teleprompters are not working. And so he delivered that speech without teleprompters. I'm not sure other leaders could stand up there and do that. They might have to wait for the teleprompter guy to fix the problem. But President Trump just goes in, speaks from the heart, and really critiques the place that needs to be critiqued. For me, the headline was really Brazil. you know we've been having some issues between the us and brazil uh president lula spoke right before trump and president trump came out and said hey i just was in the back i saw president lula we we spoke we we actually liked each other for 30 seconds and we've agreed to see each other again now that is huge because previous president bolsonaro in brazil and president trump were very good friends And President Trump and President Lula have not gotten off on a very good footing. Now, I believe they are. They'll meet. That means for us, you know, maybe solving the tariff issue, which we're all feeling the crunch on coffee right now from Brazil.
SPEAKER 07 :
Rick, you mentioned the escalator issue and the teleprompter. I think maybe the conspiracy theorist in me thought that it was a little too convenient that the moment Melania reached her foot forward to step on it, it stopped. And then as soon as President Trump started to speak, The teleprompter went out, but maybe I'm reading into the way the U.N. feels about the president a little too much. But also he did bring up that, you know, he's been wanting to help the U.N. refurbish the U.N. for a long time. We actually have a photo that you put on X of you, a younger Rick Grinnell and a younger President Trump talking about refurbishing the U.N. So great. He's nothing if not consistent with his goals and plans and wanting to make progress. Come on, Will.
SPEAKER 09 :
I look almost identical, don't I?
SPEAKER 07 :
It's just that it's blurred.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's just blurred because you're in the background. It's blurred. It's like I have a filter over my face back then. I can promise you that we look exactly identical, the Rick from 2005 and the Rick 20 years later. But it was a fun day because that was... Sitting in front of Congress, sitting in front of the Senate, where President Trump was talking about how to make the U.N. better and how to refurbish it and why it could save money, the Senate didn't take him up on his ideas, and neither did the U.N. I love that picture so much because that's in 2005. And President Trump and I are sitting there. It's future President Trump. It's really just businessman Trump sitting there in front of the US Senate 20 years later. He's speaking at the UN saying, you didn't take me up on my ideas 20 years ago. We could have had this place fixed. uh i love the moment uh i've joked with the president about it i've shown that picture to president trump multiple times just to remind him of uh what we did together early in uh in our relationship between you know the un and and back then i was working with him because he had such great ideas on how to fix up the place at the un and i was working at the un for eight years and so um we've stayed friends ever since then
SPEAKER 05 :
And now you're doing it for the Kennedy Center. Now you're bringing all of that refurb to it. I see all the new designs coming at it.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, that's such a good point, Logan. I need to bring that up to the president to say, you know, we had all these big ideas for the UN. They didn't take us up on it. But now look what we're doing at the Kennedy Center. I think he'll like that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, absolutely. Now, obviously, one of the other big stories and look, you're a California guy, a Hollywood guy. We saw the protests going on in the streets. Of course, what is Hollywood going to protest? They're going to protest. a late night talk show getting thrown off the air temporarily. That is what's going to get them to the streets. Is it the hostages? Is it any of the issues that we really hold dear in this country? No. Is it even the fires that happened in California? No. Of course, what's going to get Hollywood really engaged is going to be that a beloved late night talk show that very few people were watching by five uh you know gets temporarily thrown off the air and of course we're seeing it was reinstated tonight though a lot of the affiliates will not be carrying it just want to get your thoughts on this kind of feels a bit like a PR move a PR stunt uh but also uh it shows you what happens actually when Hollywood gets uh motivated but sadly this is what gets them uh motivated
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, if you follow the liberal logic, that just means that Donald Trump rehired Jimmy Kimmel. Right. That's all that that means. He had the control. They said that Donald Trump kicked him off. But look, the reality is, is he's still losing money. And ABC made the decision because he's losing millions of dollars every single year. But it makes sense to me. If you have a business, if you have a show and you're only appealing to one side of the country, 50 percent of the country is you're not even catering to because Jimmy Kimmel doesn't have conservative guests. He always mocks conservatives. He's a mouthpiece for the left. Of course, you're going to lose money when you're only trying to cater to half the country. And so Disney needs to understand that losing money is the new woke policy if for some reason you're pressured into keeping these losers.
SPEAKER 05 :
because they keep losing money but you you don't have the guts to fire people simply because you can't make decisions about your bottom line i think shareholders at disney should be outraged yeah and i think they will be and i think you're going to see in a year's time we'll see what happens i do think this is an attempt to pop a rating tonight i'm sure it will be a lot of us are interested in what he has to say is he going to come out with a hat in hand apology i doubt it well you know you'll never know we'll see where what disney's pressure can actually uh do Who knows? I mean, look, other than that show, Disney has tried to backpedal and to fix a lot of the problems. You look at even like a Dancing with the Stars. They have always appealed now to finding guests that were Christian conservatives as well as a completely opposite side. They have tried to appeal to really just the masses. There's just these coupled pockets that they can't seem to get their heads wrapped around that even the liberal audience a lot of times doesn't want to see at 1130 at night. They just want to relax. They just want to shut down for the evening. But that doesn't seem to be the case. Look, we've got to wrap up. We've only got 10 seconds left. Rick, thank you so much for joining us. That's going to do it for today's show. We'll be back tomorrow. Support the work of the ACLJ at ACLJ.org.
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Oh, thank you, Angie. Angie Austin, I love this opportunity you give me. And to be with you on your show is so fulfilling for me. Every month we're getting to do this. So I couldn't be more grateful. And thank you for having me.
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I feel kind of like we're fraternal twins. It's so bizarre. It's like we're both happily married. We're both about the same age. Our kids are exactly the same age. We each have three children. There's a couple that already have their driver's licenses. One's getting a driver's license. We have pets. We have rental properties. It's like I run my own business. You run your own business. It's just so crazy. It really is. It's so nice. We found each other. Separated at birth. It's just a crack up to me. I remember the first time we did an interview and you're like, oh, me too. Yeah, I got a 16-year-old. Yeah, I got a kid starting college. It was just like hilarious. All right, so my son started an internship this summer. We're going to talk a little bit about your intern. I have a really great relationship with an organization here called ARC, and they deal with people with cognitive deficits, developmental disabilities issues. And so down syndrome, cerebral palsy, et cetera. And when my friend started as the president and CEO about 20 years ago, when his son around the time just after his son was born, who has down syndrome, he left the big business world that you're in. And he'd gone to Booth Business School, one of the top business schools in the country. And he said, you know what? I'm going to devote my life now to doing things that will help my son and people like him. And they went from having five ambassadors who are differently abled to over 500. And my son was working for them in a different capacity. And he met with the president and CEO and said, I'm really interested in finance. I'd love to go to your same business school for my MBA. And then he called me back. He's like, I just wanted to shadow him for a day. And he gave me – all summer internship paid to be uh to work in finance and all the he's gone to all their big meetings he gets to present with like the head of finance and other department heads um he gets to you know give his fee because he's worked in the stores he's worked as a cash register he's a thrifter as you know so he has his own business so he had and so he knows how their like pof system works he knows you know about the pricing of other thrift stores and how they price so It's been so cool for him, and so many of the people that I know in the organization have reached out to me like, oh, your son is great. He's really meshed with us. And I'm like, this is a dream come true for a kid. That experience for him, and he's hoping to do it every summer, is so invaluable. I can't even tell you.
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Yeah, no, you just did tell me, and I feel that passion, and I understand exactly what you're saying. And it's amazing for me to hear what you're saying about the opportunities kids get to actually – learn leadership at an earlier age, right? So a lot of what I like to do in my passion projects and in my leadership development piece is, as you know, I wrote the book and I've done a companion guide, but I like to pay it forward with opportunities for people to exercise how to be better leaders, right? So today we were talking a little bit about-
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They're learning how to properly present ideas, how to make those ideas come to fruition, to ask for extra responsibilities, to say, hey, Scott, I know I'm your intern, but could I head up such and such? Like my son's had some like Excel projects that were like in the IT department where they've allowed him to like work alongside them and do things that really like he's benefiting them rather than being just like this pain in the rear kid that's shadowing you.
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Well, that's the thing. And that's the thing I think where I was also we had talked a little bit like how do leaders make themselves available if they're busy during the day? Internship is the first thing that comes to mind for me as an owner of a firm. The interns come in and I'll actually allocate an hour of time with them. to talk about various subjects that are related to leadership and not task-oriented work like you're talking about, right? You're not going to be a cog in the wheel. But I say to them, it's noted that you come in 10 minutes early. It's noted that you tucked in your shirt and that your belt is looped in and that you look nice. It's noted that you're making eye contact with me. And in return, you get the opportunity to meet my CFO, meet my CHO. You get to work in these other departments. And then you have a resume build. And you are seeing how I respond to you, so you're better at communicating when it's not me you're working with in the future. You're learning the nuances.
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It's so interesting that you're saying about, you know, the shirts tucked in, that you're shaved, that you look good. Because Bea initially told our son, you know, maybe it's not fancy in the office, maybe a polo shirt, you know, a golf-type shirt and tacky pants, right? Yeah, that's what I'm wearing right now. And then my son has an earring, which I'm not a fan of, but it's a thing for the young guys now. And he took it out and one of the bigwigs there said, hey, you don't need to take out your earrings. I know my parents said I should do that. They're not they're not into tattoos and earrings, which he doesn't have any tattoos. But we wanted to address a certain way. And in this organization, he started that way. They actually told him, hey, that's not how we operate here. Don't worry about that. You can wear jeans and see you, you know, you know, college sweatshirt from your school. That's fine. you know, clean hair, combed, you know, you know, shave cleanly, you know, clean shave. But, you know, the other stuff, they've let him be more relaxed. But you just reminded me to remind him that, hey, by the way, you might have to change your manner of dress depending on the organization.
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Well, and the fact that the leadership told him is exactly the thing that I think is what We were going to try and talk about today, and that is how do the leaders make themselves available, right? So first of all, give the instruction. Second of all, pay attention to the new guys that might not know what's going on. And third of all, the culture of an earring or not or a tattoo or not spelled out for these guys is such an important skill a leader of an intern can bring to that future generation. Because whereas I'm in a polo shirt and khaki pants right now, I also have a quarter sleeve tattoo that is literally showing. In my organization, that's how we roll. If your shirt was untucked and you weren't shaven and you looked disheveled, it only is made worse by that versus...
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art and style and earrings does that make sense yes and like you said the fact that it was presented um if we okay if you have an intern and he or she is coming a saggy pants you know um no belt uh flip-flops or the email and like way too much and i you know people are going to say oh you're sexist angie but you know too much cleavage at work you know dressing in a manner that's maybe distracting for what you're trying to do maybe you're in customer service and you know in people are like whoa what is that lady wearing I'm not saying that once you get established like I think of Erin Brockovich and how she worked alongside an attorney and then eventually she was taken seriously but initially people are like what on earth are you wearing you look like you could be working as it is as an adult dancer you know I mean like it's okay You have to earn the ability to dress the way you completely want to. And the business sets the tone. And so you have to go along with whatever the tone is of the organization until you're running the place and you can dress however you want. Like we see billionaires now wearing flip flops and shorts, but you have to read the room.
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Well, I think what we talked about, too, and one of the things I want to described for today's conversation was how do leaders make themselves available, right? So we're talking about the duty of a leader trying to be a mentor, trying to be a coach, trying to lead by example. And so whether it's flip-flops or not, one of the key things you said was that leadership told your son, you don't have to take out the earring. That's an opportunity for the culture and the mentoring and the coaching and the how do you make yourself available to the next generation. Don't overlook that as a leader of an organization, These are key skills and needs that these guys have. So whether or not you're putting in or taking out your earring, the communication of leadership to the next generation can be found easily in an internship. There's also clubs. There's also ways to go to like the Boys and Girls Club of America and sign yourself up as a mentor. And there's different programs companies can execute and initiate on. There's my hand, my guidebook, my companion guide, my how did you get here book. There are different ways that people can do this. But I think Sometimes leaders get a little overwhelmed. Well, how do I lead if it's not just task and work oriented, like spreadsheet based work? And you just had some perfect examples on small talk. Make yourself available. Say the culture. Express the culture. Don't be passive aggressive and don't just assume it's understood. And people like you and me who might lean a little more conservative on their appearance, right? Like I know I'm artsy and I have my tattoo, but I would never do that if I went into a client site. That that might be more the norm of the next generation. And you and I might have a little learning to do there. But saying and talking about it is the leadership. It is where you can start to pay it forward.
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And, you know, I think about, you know, the sometimes perceived hassle of having a younger person in the workplace who's shadowing you or you're doing an internship there. First of all, a kid needs to say what they're capable of and I can handle more so that they become invaluable. Like a lot of news interns did that for me where they ended up working them up the ladder because they were so awesome. And then there were some I couldn't wait to get rid of. And also, though, that we as the potential leaders are. need to take on that little bit of hassle. Like we might, you know, it's our responsibility to mentor, you know, the next generation of leaders. So it might take a little bit of extra time. And then when you, if you are the kid, the intern, and you're given a difficult assignment, like my son was given a pretty intense Excel project. He stayed really late doing that. So he stayed like eight or 10 hours that day and worked on that. And his shift per se and his internship is four hours. So it really, you know, go above and beyond to show them that you're the type of employee either they want to hire or that they're going to give a really great, you know, reference for when the time comes.
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Exactly. And so I have an intern that I just hired, actually. They started Monday this week. And it's, to your point about having the kids in the same age group, it's one of my son's college friends. And so he was looking for a more satiating job than he had for the summer. The hours he was working were getting reduced. I own a company. I see it as an opportunity to run him through my program, my leadership development book, and my companion guide. And I also took a shine to him as my son's friend. And one of the things we're doing, and we did it today, we went over his assignment. His first assignment is to read my book. And in the chapters of the book, the way I laid it out, are the leadership skills that I have proven to be trained on as a leadership coach with the International Coaching Federation. It's what I've experienced as a business leader. It's what I developed as my sort of guideline to good leadership, goal setting, habits, leadership development, communication, self-care. And so his assignment is to read the book. And we are then to go over the book chapter by chapter for an hour and every day that he works on the internship here in the office. So today we went over chapter one. And I said to him, what comes up for you as we talk about the different styles of partnership one might encounter? And he said, well, I couldn't figure out the difference between a kite and a string, the way you define your relationship and partnership. And I said, well, one's a visionary and one's more of a task-oriented type person. So what I want for you is to be aware of the difference and decide which is your preferred style. and then look for what complements that, and our work here is done. And it was so fulfilling for me, and it was so clear-headed for him because he was trying to answer, he was a little bit of both, and I'm like, no, no, we are all a little bit of both. This isn't a test question. This is about awareness. This is about figuring out what kind of partner you want to be in relationships going forward if you're interested in being a leader either at a development level or as a CIO or CEO of an organization. And so for me as a mentor and a leader, I really get excited about the opportunity he's providing me to be able to do this. And I know our goal today was to say to the leaders out there that are interested in doing it, look at how interesting that opportunity is. And it's in my lap when I come to the office. And it can always lap when they come to the office.
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And I love it that you are going through your book. And so people can find that and maybe read it themselves. Give us the info where we can find that.
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Absolutely. So my book and my companion guide and my availability, my coaching, all that is available through HowYouGoThere.com. And we've got email addresses. We've got links to the book, links to the podcast, links to the audio book, my companion guide, and how to sign us up for workshops. It's all in there and you can get all or some of it. And I think the book is a great place to start for people to put context around the topic. Excellent. Thank you, Scott Montgomery. Thank you so much.
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Hello there, Angie Austin here with the good news, the good news with Angie Austin. Well, the good news is we've got a little help if you're looking at colleges. We're right in this arena and boy, it can be extremely expensive. We'll have three kids in college at the same time. And I'm sure many of you can relate, whether it's, you know, your kids or grandkids. And it's a huge decision. And a lot of people pay a lot more for a school because they want that reputation. They want those connections. But is it worth the extra money? And where do those expensive schools rank? Generally, they rank, you know, pretty right up there near the top when it comes to the college rankings. So for some expert advice on all of this, the U.S. News and World Report is releasing its annual Best Colleges rankings. And joining us to discuss those rankings is Lamont Jones. Lamont is Managing Editor for Education with U.S. News and World Report. Welcome, Lamont. Great to have you.
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Thanks so much for having me.
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You're welcome. So U.S. News releasing this annual college rankings year 41. Tell us about this year's results.
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In our 41st edition this year of the U.S. News and World Report, our best college rankings in the two primary categories, best national universities and best national liberal arts colleges. For national universities in the top 10, Princeton University is once again number one. MIT is at number two with Harvard at Number three, there's a tie for number four, Stanford and Yale, while the University of Chicago, which is the only new entrant in the top 10 this edition, is at number six. And there's a four-way tie at number seven to round out the top 10. That's Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, and University of Pennsylvania. Now, over on the liberal arts colleges side, the number one is Williams College in Massachusetts. Number two is Amherst, also right there in Massachusetts. U.S. Naval Academy is number three with Swarthmore College at number four. There's a tie at fifth, Bowdoin College and the U.S. Air Force Academy. And then a three-way tie at number seven, Claremont McKenna, Pomona, and Wellesley Colleges. And rounding out the top 10, there's a three-way tie at number 10, Carlton College, Harvey Mudd, which is the only new intern in the top 10 this edition, and the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Boy, those military academies right in there in the top 10, that's wild.
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Yes, yes. Yes, and we apply the same ranking factors to all the schools regardless of whether they're a service academy or a public or private college, yes.
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Now let's talk about that. How does U.S. News determine the best colleges?
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There is literally a process that takes the better part of a year. We've refined the process over the decades, yes, and we use methodology that includes about 17, exactly 17 indicators. They really measure how well colleges educate and graduate those students. We have a lot of the weight really is carried by the team of expert data analysts we have who administer this extensive three-part survey that's sent to colleges that they fill out. And the data team gathers third-party data that's important and relevant. And then a four-part certification verification review process to ensure data is as accurate as possible. The results are largely outcomes based. In fact, outcomes measures account for a little over half of the weight of the rankings like graduation rate, job attainment rate, social mobility. So those are factors that are important in the rankings every year.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, a lot of people you talk about job attainment rate. That's pretty important. A lot of people that I know, I've got friends that have a kid at Princeton and I've got friends that have a kid at SMU in Dallas. They both cost with all their fees, this, that and the other around 100 grand a year from what they're explaining to me. What these job connections, that's what they're telling me is a big deal to them. The connections they make with other, let's be honest, you know, kids of wealthy people. in many cases.
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Yes. Well, that's such an important factor that you mentioned. And it's so important because it's going to be one of the most expensive decisions a student or family makes in their life. You know, where do they go to college and which college to go to and how much it's going to cost. That's why graduation rate performance is 10% of the way. Borrowing debt is 5% of the rate. Students want something they can go in have minimal or no debt coming out and be able to get a job in their field. While we don't specifically measure because it's difficult to get that data and reliable across being able to compare it across schools in terms of uh some of those factors were able to look at the graduation rate how well they graduate the students that bring in um and they're successful getting a job within a certain amount of time in their field after they graduate because again those are important considerations also we we encourage do not look at a sticker price it can confuse you um that's like buying a car before any other aid is applied um there are a few students who relatively who have to pay the total cost out of pocket After scholarships, grants, federal work study, there's loans. There are some tuition-free colleges. There are also some great hundreds of Promise programs for high schools and school districts across the nation that help pay for college. We have a database, online free database, 12,000 scholarships and counting that students can look at and apply for. So cost is a huge, possibly the biggest up there with the college's reputation in getting somebody out of school. But the cost is so huge every single year to students and their families.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it's overwhelming to me in that decision. Like I had talked to – I've got three kids right around that age, and I had talked to my son in particular who's going to University of Colorado Boulder but is interested in getting maybe a master's at Booth in Chicago for business. And I said, you know, I was kind of thinking maybe you spend the money on the MBA and then he doesn't spend much because it's pretty economical to go in state to see you in Boulder or maybe go to a more expensive school your last two years. So you still get the name of the degree, but maybe save a couple hundred thousand dollars.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, you are describing a very real situation, how you have to look at the money, weigh the money. That's one of the reasons we offer year-round tons of content on how to pay for college. For example, whatever particular field of an MBA, whether it's consulting, whether it's some other aspect of a business degree, schools that rank the highest in those and do the best job of getting those student jobs at what rate paid. We have tons of content about how to pay for an MBA, schools that offer generous scholarships for your MBA. Really taking it, keeping the big picture in mind, but taking one step at a time, because there are scenarios where you can go in and like, oh my goodness, we don't have to pay nearly what we thought we would for undergraduate. We can have a 509 savings plan or what have you. We can divert that money technically to a graduate degree. So as soon as families know and start planning early, that is the best thing. Start looking, planning, researching early. And we've done a lot of legwork at U.S. News. We put all the data together, and it's a great starting point for undergrad and graduate school.
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Yeah, I agree. I always look up your rankings when I'm talking to people or considering things or like my daughter is a volleyball player. So she's going to a Christian school, which is so much different than my son's school in terms of size, you know, 40,000 versus maybe 3,000. But also the rules, you know, so strict, you know, no drinking. They have dress code. They have curfew. So it's a totally different ballgame for her. So what advice do you give her? for prospective students and parents, and how can they use these rankings to their best advantage as a lot of people are getting prepped to do all their applications now for college?
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Well, at U.S. News, we advise prospective students to college and their families to, first of all, as a family, talk about and clarify what the student wants to study, or if the student doesn't know what they want to study exactly, what career, what are the reasons for wanting to go to college? Once those are clarified, for example, programs of interest or areas of possible interest, schools of interest, whether it's certain parts of the country, whether it's public or private, whether it's a faith-based school. In fact, I don't write that much, but I had an article that published today about faith-based colleges and universities, information about that. Clarify what's important to you and what your highest priorities are in terms of an education. And then come on over to usnews.com. All the content's free. Look up the rankings. Search and filter by fields of interest, by programs of interest, by state, by region, by public, by private. Search in all those different ways, and schools will pop up. We have a tool that lets you compare different schools that meet a lot of your interests so that you can begin to see what's out there, how much it may cost. Going over to our scholarship finder, over 12,000 and counting scholarships in that free database. Other content about how to pay for it every step of the way. Content on what you do as a high school freshman, a high school sophomore, junior, senior. It's all there. So get together to find what's most important. And then go on and use this as a starting point, and it will really help demystify and simplify and take so much of the stress out of what can be a really stressful process.
SPEAKER 07 :
you know, Lamont, when people talk to you, because this isn't, you know, an area of expertise of yours. And like you said, it takes about a year. Do a lot of parents ask you, is it worth it to pay like the Princeton hundred grand, you know, a sticker price? My husband was just debating it with the dad of our friend. And he's like, she's guaranteed to get a job right out of college for like 200 grand a year, this, that, and the other. Whereas our kids that, you know, um, a different type of school and they kind of debate if it's a guarantee. And her dad says it's pretty much for her, a guarantee. And I know there's no guarantees, but when you talk to parents about price and if it's worth it, what do you say to them? Because to me, it's a put half a million, you know, into a college education for one of our three kids is like, just, it doesn't even make sense to me. I can't wrap my head around it, but I do agree that she's probably going to have a And how do you advise parents to weigh that? I mean, I'm sure it's individual. If you're a multimillionaire, then who cares, right? Just go for the best education where you can get accepted. But, you know, it's a big thing to weigh in your mind. What advice do you give parents on the price tag? Is it worth it?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes. And we have a lot of content on this. It's a hugely personal decision on an individual basis for families. For the average family in the U.S., Cost is a factor. A school's reputation is a factor. The graduation rate is a factor. Reputation is a factor. So deciding what order those priorities come for your particular family, get those clear. And then, yes, cost is a factor, but understand there are many things that can affect cost and how much you as a family may have to pay out of pocket. For example, there are some schools that they meet need. They meet a full need. Nothing coming out of a family's pocket. Yeah. There are a lot, but there are some of them, we have content about that. There are schools where you don't even pay tuition certified. There are work colleges. You work a certain number of hours a week to learn the ethical work, and that pays your tuition. So clarify what's important in your family's mind and the student's mind. Then go on, use all of our tools and our rankings and our data and our information to find those schools that can fit what's important to you And then get started early looking for money to pay for schools, looking for how schools favor certain things. Again, no school can guarantee you a job getting out. Some schools have better placement, you know, attainment rates, but nobody can guarantee and nobody should ever promise that. If a school promises that, run the other way. And, in fact, there may be a legal team that promises that. But it's very difficult for a particular family and what your needs and what your assets are.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sorry about that. I didn't mean to step on you. What's the best website for us to go to to get more info?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, go straight to usnews.com. No paywall. Everything is there. Click on the Education tab on the homepage. It opens up to all the rankings content, all the content about every aspect of applying, getting in, and paying for, and winning in college, succeeding. It's all there. There's a newsletter that's called Getting In. It's every single Thursday by email. It's free. It targets... Parents and other adults helping students apply to college, but a lot of students get it because it's all sorts of information that de-stresses the process, de-mystifies it, helps you every single step of the way in the application calendar. It's a great tool that if you're familiar with college or if you've never even had a clue about your first gen maybe or first time, it spells it all out easily and simply with these three tools.
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Thank you. Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
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John Rush and Andy Pate are joined by Maureen Steele of the American Made Foundation to break down Jimmy Kimmel’s controversial return to late-night television after refusing to apologize for inflammatory comments. They expose Hollywood hypocrisy, discuss the power of free markets over free speech, and predict what’s next for Kimmel’s career. The conversation then shifts to Colorado politics, the GOP’s internal debates over open primaries, and why running on rage instead of strategy could doom Republicans in the state. Packed with sharp takes, media accountability, and political strategy, this episode challenges listeners to think beyond emotion and focus on winning the bigger fight.
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I'm great. How are you guys doing?
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We are very good. Co-founder of the American Made Foundation. Now, Jimmy Kimmel, that was kind of a topic we were going to cover, although there's been a few developments since we booked you to be here because it looked like he may have not been coming back on air, period. Well, now he is on only certain networks.
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Right. That's interesting. I mean, you know, originally what they turned this into was a free speech issue, and it really wasn't that at all. He wouldn't issue an apology when his boss asked him to, and that's why he got preempted. And so, you know, if you were a waitress at a restaurant and you dumped a plate of food on a family and the manager came over and said, you need to apologize to this family, and you go, no, I'm not apologizing, and I'm going to double down. I'm going to dump more food on them. You'd be fired. I mean, and so the fact that he wasn't fired is shocking, and that they reinstated him is even more shocking to me. And I went back and I was reading his really harsh, callous comments he made to Roseanne Barr when she got fired. And it's like, yep, you got free speech, but, you know, you got consequences, too. And, you know, you got to live with the consequences of your free speech. And, you know, you don't need to get a platform. You don't need to get paid for a platform to... spew that venom. Well, there you go. Again, it's the whole rules for me, but not for thee.
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That's right. Maureen, he didn't just dump the food on the customers. He did it on purpose. And this is the thing that, you know, and I don't know what he's going to say tonight because he didn't just get it wrong. He lied. He knew full out that this was every piece of evidence said this was a hardcore leftist who committed the killing, who, you know, the suspect of the killing. And he came out and said the opposite, knowing that he was going against all the evidence. He lied on purpose. And I think that's going to be a real problem. Let me ask you this. With this many affiliates dropping out, how can they still pay him that huge salary?
SPEAKER 12 :
Maybe they can't, and wouldn't that be a blessing if they literally had to pull out? Because the bottom line these days, I mean, you guys work for a corporation. It's just the name of the game. The bottom line is shareholders, you know, a board of directors, and money. I mean, corporations exist to make money. Right. They exist to make money. And so if they're not going to be making money or advertisers drop off or what have you, I mean, you know, he will get his show will get canceled again. That is what is going to happen. And I hope that that does.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and here's the other side. Here's the other side of this, too, for all of you that are listening. And, Maureen, you probably don't know this, but his contract ends at the end of the year anyways. My thought is that rather than go through a bunch of potential litigation and just utter nonsense, because, as you know, you can sue for anything, whether they're right, wrong, or otherwise. You've still got to go through, defend yourself, and you've got all of that cost. My gut feeling is they did this to bring him back, to avoid a lot of that, knowing that his contract is up in just really three months anyways. Let's just bear with it until the three months is up. Even if there's a certain amount of affiliates that drop him at the end of the day, he's gone in January. Who cares?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, no, you're right. I mean, December 31st, it's, you know, I can't believe summer's over. I mean, really, we're almost there. You're right. We're like, what, 14 weeks away from that?
SPEAKER 08 :
We're not that far.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. They'll be in a million dollars' worth of legal fees fighting him. And you're right. Better off just ride this thing out, put him back on air, call it a day, and just not renew his contract. So I hope that's what happens. But it was really fascinating watching Hollywood try to spin it, that this is a dark day for free speech. It's like, no, it isn't. I'll defend Jimmy's right to talk crap. to say crappy things about whoever he wants. Make an ass of yourself, Jimmy. Go for it. But you know what? You're going to face the consequences, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and here's the other thing that I would say, and I'm an employer, and Andy knows this as well. You know, I've said this a million times, literally probably in the last 10 or 12 years I've been on Air Marine, I'll defend everybody's right for free speech. They can say whatever they want to. Of course, there's consequences to that. But when you work for someone else, there is no free speech. It goes away. You're now representing that company. You work for them. And at the end of the day, yes, they have full control over what you can say, what you can do, what you can wear, what you can't wear, what your hair looks like. I mean, I can go down the list, Marine, of all the different things employers can require. It is what it is. And as I always say, and I want to remind everybody listening, and this is where we get it wrong, I think, the most, Maureen. When you agree to go to work for someone else, You've either entered into an actual written contract, as is the case of Jimmy, which has all sorts of stipulations with it, or it's a verbal contract where that employee, Maureen, has agreed to sell their time for X amount of money to the employer, meaning at that point in time, the employer owns that time. And that's where I think so many employees get it wrong. You agreed to the arrangement. You agreed to go to work for X amount of money per hour, per week, per whatever. At the end of the day, you've sold your time to that employer, meaning they own it. 100%.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I agree with you. And also, it's them that's going to get sued, and that's what's happening now, too. I mean, Newsmax got sued for $67 million. ABC got sued, lost a $16 million lawsuit to Trump. They're losing lawsuits now, and they know it. So that's the other thing. They don't want this. And so I think they might... I hope they do. And it'll be very interesting to see if Jimmy tonight on his show, on his opening monologue, if he does a mea culpa and if he apologizes to the Kirk family. I won't be watching it. First of all, I'm not up that late.
SPEAKER 07 :
Me neither.
SPEAKER 12 :
Second of all, I would never watch him anyway.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Maureen, I think he has to apologize to MAGA, okay, because that's who he accused of killing Charlie Kirk. He accused MAGA of killing Charlie Kirk. And I want to ask you, what do you expect tonight? Because, look, he's obviously going to have great ratings for a week just because of the controversy. People are going to watch. Right. All publicity is good publicity for a little while. But the simple fact is you accused MAGA of killing MAGA. Okay, that was crazy. You lied. He's got to own it in some way. And if he does not, what happens then? If he doesn't own that, and I mean own it pretty good tonight, what happens to these other affiliates? Is he going to lose some more? Are people going to then tune them out and say, okay, you're not serious. I know you're a comedian, but you're not serious. And besides which, let's face it, other people are writing your jokes anyway. We can put anybody out there.
SPEAKER 12 :
I have no idea what's going to happen tonight. But, you know, if that does happen, if that scenario you just laid out does go down tonight, I don't think it has anything to do with MAGA or the lies. That just shows you there's something much bigger pulling the strings behind the scenes. I mean, you have your employer telling you to apologize. You know, you've got it's totally not a free speech issue. He can say whatever he wants. I'll back him up on that any day of the week. But, you know, when your lawyer tells you you're fired and the FCC violations and they do nothing and the FCC has sat by and done nothing. They just postured. I was asked that when this first went down. You know, what do you think the FCC is going to do? I'm like, nothing. This was posturing. This was a show. because they've allowed everyone to lie, mainstream media to lie and be bought and paid for by USAID, which Doge proved, and they do nothing. They just sit there. So we have a corporatocracy. We have big tech, big money. That's what runs our country, and America's for sale, sadly. But if this goes down like you just said and there's no apology issued and he just goes on as business as usual, that just tells you that – Even that corporation isn't even in control of itself. There's much bigger people pulling the strings behind the scenes.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree. One last question here. Okay, what about, though, all the people who said that Trump got him fired? Okay, Trump and his people in the FCC. And I forget the guy's name, but he did put out a clumsy comment on this. I thought it was clumsy in how he put it forward. But that said... If Trump and the FCC got him fired, well, they're still in place and he's got his job back. So shouldn't they all be apologizing? I mean, weren't they all just proven wrong because he was brought back?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I don't think they were wrong. And I don't think I don't even know if Trump made that call. I mean, this was just all speculation.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, the market did.
SPEAKER 12 :
Trump did this. Who did?
SPEAKER 07 :
The market. The market. I mean, the market, the affiliates saying, hey, we're going to drop him. We're not going to keep him. I think this was a free market decision. I don't think Trump got him fired at all. That's my entire point. All those people who were alleging that this was Trump being, you know, the next fascist and coming down.
SPEAKER 14 :
They need to apologize also.
SPEAKER 07 :
They need to apologize because guess what? They just got proven wrong.
SPEAKER 12 :
He's back. And Trump's still there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. No, you're right. I mean, it was just another lie. Trump derangement syndrome is real.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, it is.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is. I wish someone would find a cure for it. Where's big pharma when you need them? Get a pill together for that, because that is I mean, anything he does, he could find a cure for cancer and they would think he was the devil himself.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, then, you know, the excuse would be, well, the pill's too big or you got to take too many or it doesn't work fast enough for a Marine. There'd be all sorts of excuses.
SPEAKER 12 :
Or it's really poison. He's trying to kill you. But they're all lining up for the COVID factor. Correct. Correct.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 12 :
Didn't they call us the dimwit boys? Oh, they did. I think they did.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, I had people back then, Maureen, asking or posting online and so on that I should just go away and be dead, basically. So I'm still waiting for my apology. I haven't got that yet.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, don't hold your breath for it either. Yeah, no, don't worry, don't worry.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, you know what? It'll be interesting to see how tonight goes. We'll have you back here in the future to maybe comment on what actually happens. I predict, this is my prediction, he stays completely away from everything and doesn't apologize for anything and just moves on like nothing ever happened. That's my prediction.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think you might be right there. I think that that is how it's going to go down. I agree with you. I think they're just going to smooth it over and act like there was no there there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, that's exactly right. And I still stand by, I highly doubt, unless his ratings change between now and December, I highly doubt they renew his contract. And I don't think his ratings will do anything other than a week. There will be a spike for about a week or so, and then it goes right back down.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and I think it's probably going to drop lower than ever. Because he's not funny, Maureen.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's the ultimate thing. 25 writers and he's still not funny.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and also losing a bunch of affiliates is not going to help your numbers.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's right. That's going to kill it, too. Yeah, absolutely. How do we find you, Maureen? What's the best way to do that?
SPEAKER 12 :
You can follow me on X at Maureen Steele underscore. You can follow my sub stack, same name. You can also find me on www.americanmadefoundation.org and americanmadeaction.org. Awesome.
SPEAKER 14 :
Maureen, as always, I appreciate it. Thank you so much again.
SPEAKER 12 :
Great to be with you guys again. You bet. Have a great one.
SPEAKER 14 :
I appreciate it. She's become a really great guest, by the way. I like having her on.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, yeah, I like her.
SPEAKER 14 :
She thinks a lot like we do, and I really enjoy her. So go check out her substack, her ex-account, and also her website. Veteran Windows and Doors up next. Again, cut out the middleman. Go directly to the source. That is what Dave does at Veteran Windows and Doors. Find him today at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 15 :
Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And, yep, it'll be interesting to see what happens tonight. I, like her, Andy, won't be watching. I'll have to watch some of the excerpts of because I get better things to do than watch Jimmy Fallon. Yeah. There's no ratings coming from me on this one.
SPEAKER 07 :
All things are better things to do than watching him.
SPEAKER 14 :
By the way, here's my suggestion for everybody listening. Do what I'm going to do. Just watch something, a clip. A lot of news organizations will have some of his opening monologue and such out there. You can watch all that after the fact and not give him any of the ratings by watching it tonight. I would not watch him. A lot of people are going to want to to see what he says. I would highly recommend that you don't and that you do exactly what I'm doing and what Andy's doing and what Maureen's doing because at the end of the day, I don't want to help his ratings.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I don't either.
SPEAKER 14 :
So do it our way.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, we've got to get right down to it. The guy is also a creep.
SPEAKER 14 :
He's an idiot. Thank you. Yeah. And he's not funny. 25 writers, he's still not funny.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, he has moments. You know, I've always looked at these late night comedians, John, and I don't think so much about how funny are their lines because they're not writing them. And I don't blame them for that. I mean, to come up with that much material that many nights in a row, obviously you got a big team. That's fine. And your team's doing the writing. I get that. My things that I look at are two things. Number one, how's your delivery? And I do think his delivery is good. I think it's solid. I think he's got a good, solid delivery. I don't think it's nearly as crisp as Carson. or as upbeat and bright as leno right okay but i think he's got a good sarcastic kind of delivery that can work if you if you want and also what is the general thrust of your show because that you are in charge of okay in other words you got a team of writers but are you looking at them saying bash trump bash trump bash trump nothing but bash trump and if you're doing that Then you're making, basically what you're doing is announcing to the world, Trump is living rent-free in my head. And that looks weak. It looks weak. It doesn't matter. It could be somebody who just goes after Obama all the time. It could be somebody who goes after whatever all the time, picks something, right? What you're basically doing is announcing to the world, they live rent-free in my head. And that is a sign of weakness. And so what I want to see going forward is can he vary it a little bit? OK, can he go to his team and say, look, even before all this happened, we were what, third, fourth in the ratings? I mean, it wasn't good. OK, he's getting clobbered. And here's the big thing, John, in the key demographic, 18 to I think it's 34 year olds. OK, 18 to 34 year olds. He was only getting like one hundred and eighty thousand or something like that.
SPEAKER 14 :
OK.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, across the country. Do you realize how many people in that age group live across this country? I mean, you're talking what, around $100 billion? I mean, okay, it's something ludicrous, and you're getting $180,000 of those. In other words, nobody's watching your show, and he's got to change that. And that doesn't mean he can start coming out with a bunch of right-wing jokes. That's not going to fly. I get it. But he has got to find some way to vary his approach. What do you think?
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree. And by the way, somebody just said... I'm just saying for the market. Somebody texted in, somebody from the left texted in and said, no, he didn't accuse MAGA of doing anything. Yes, he did. And by the way, sent me the quote. You must not be able to read. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be rude here. But you who sent me this, you must not know how to read. Because let me read you specifically what you sent me in quotations as to what you said. We hit some new lows over the weekend. with the MAGA gang trying to characterize this kid who killed Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them. And doing everything they can to score political points from it. How is that not accusing the MAGA crowd, you dodo head? Learn to read.
SPEAKER 07 :
Unbelievable. Can you not read? John, that text is an indictment on the public education system. I mean, seriously. The public education system put out somebody that unable. To understand language. Obviously, he just said the killer is MAGA. Right. Okay? He said the killer is MAGA. Now, by the way, you can say the killer is MAGA. You can say whatever you want. But to say the killer is MAGA when we already have mountains of evidence, all, not some, not 98%, all of it, saying this kid is the opposite of MAGA. 180 degrees opposite of mega. This kid, you know, he's totally rejected his family. He is a gay activist and a trans activist, you know, in love with this trans lover. And he posts everything he can under the sun on how he's going to get them, how he hates everything of the right. I mean... This kid is 100 percent left wing. OK, everything we have on him says that.
SPEAKER 14 :
And he was he was accusing Jimmy Kimmel was at that point. He accused Mag of murder. He literally quotations. You gave me the quote. That's exactly what it said. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be rude, but you must not be able to read. Right. I have no other explanation for it because I just read what you, the texter, sent me. I reread it from what you sent me just now, and that's exactly what he said. Right. Now, let me ask you this, John.
SPEAKER 07 :
You and I, we talk a lot, especially you. You've got shows six days a week. Correct. Hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours. You're going to get something wrong every now and then. It's going to happen. Okay? I mean, it's just thousands of hours of you talking. Yeah. Can you imagine getting something that wrong to where you literally, I mean, you accuse the movement that just won a national election of killing one of its own. Can you imagine not coming out and saying, at least saying, you know what, gee, I got that wrong. Now, you're not going to go so far as to say I lied when this guy, Jimmy Kimmel, actually lied. Because he knew he was lying. All the evidence said it. I'm not even asking for him to say I lied. That's too far. I get it. But can you imagine not doing some mea culpa if it were you?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, if it were me, because even here, if there's been something that I have said where I got it wrong for whatever reason, out of ignorance or a misunderstanding or I read something the wrong way or I misstated something, I, Andy, have always come back and corrected whatever it is that I knew I said the wrong way. So, to me, that's just a must in the line of work, quote unquote, that we're doing. To me, that's a must. And it is in his world as well. Even though he's a comedian, it's still in his world. It's no different.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, yeah, because even as he's not just a comedian, he is a political commentator. He's made himself into one. They all have.
SPEAKER 14 :
right and so which by the way back in the day big mistake yeah huge mistake johnny carson at one point in time i had a clip i was going to play yesterday but at one point in time johnny carson was being interviewed and essentially came out and said that's not an area we should go into right no matter how left of center you are we shouldn't go there and for one he was by the way and for one glorious word greed i want the whole audience not half now the question is the question with johnny carson would be would he still be that way today
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, he would.
SPEAKER 14 :
Complete, utter lefty? I don't think so.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, no. I'm saying Johnny Carson would be the same as he was then now. Oh, no. Johnny Carson was a capitalist.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, but what I'm saying, though, is would he be as far left as a lot of these wackadoodles on TV have gone now?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, no. I don't think so either.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, no.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree. And two reasons. Number one, he was a capitalist. These are Marxists.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, they're not capitalists.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, they're hardline Marxists, so they don't care about the market.
SPEAKER 14 :
You're correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
But secondly, Johnny Carson also, that was not his soul.
SPEAKER 14 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 07 :
That just wasn't where he was.
SPEAKER 14 :
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Call in to the KLZ studio line, 303-477-5600. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, I led into this particular segment, Andy. Yeah. Or led out of the last segment into this segment talking about the market, because you... You know, mention that when it comes to Jimmy Kimmel and some of the other folks that are out there in Hollywood. They don't understand the market. Well, unfortunately, here in Colorado, with certain members of the GOP here in Colorado, they don't either.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, they don't. And, you know, I've been seeing it a lot this week, okay? And why is that? Well, two issues, really. First of all, Jeff Heard.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, Jeff Heard, in my opinion, made a big mistake. And I like Jeff Heard. I support Jeff Heard.
SPEAKER 14 :
In what way did he make a mistake?
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, because he, Ilhan Omar, the House Republicans wanted to vote to censure her and remove her from a committee position because she made insensitive comments about Charlie Kirk. And, you know, which is nothing new for her. When she exhales, she makes insensitive comments. This is just who this person is. And I totally disagree with his vote. I think this was a slam dunk. I think you vote to censure her and remove her from these things. I think it's an easy issue.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Jeff came out and he said no because, and his reasoning was- It's a free speech thing is what he said. Free speech thing. I think he's totally wrong. It's free speech with consequence, Jeff. Yep. I agree. And suppose she had come out and said far worse things. Well, I'm glad 9-11 happened. I'm in favor of rape. Whatever. At some point, there's accountability for that. At that point, you would censure her, so why not for this? That's right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, but I also said, yeah, but we still have to support him because this issue, we have to keep in mind, as emotionals we get about this issue, John, the fact is this issue doesn't affect any of us. Whether or not she is censured doesn't affect us.
SPEAKER 14 :
It won't change a thing, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it changes absolutely none of the American First agenda. Meanwhile, he has voted about 95% in favor of the American First agenda, which has been incredibly valuable in a very airtight district. Okay, because that's a district that the last person who ran there was Boebert. She won, and this is before her theater problems. She squeaked by. She's less than a percent. I think it was like less than a half percent or right around a half percent. It was a squeaker. Yeah, and the reason is this. Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, what I was going to say is really quick before Annie moves on.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
For all of you listening, they would say that, well, that's a reason to just, you know, that's a test for Jeff, and he's done.
SPEAKER 07 :
Guys. Oh, yeah, they're wanting to throw him out.
SPEAKER 14 :
Guys, I love Donald Trump. His comments, I'll talk to Dr. Kelly about this on Thursday, but Donald Trump's comments yesterday about Tylenol and pregnant women, he was wrong in stating. No matter what you believe, no matter what you feel, he's got free speech to say, so I get that. But that was the dumbest thing he could have said. That is an area, as a man, I will just tell you straight up, you don't go down that path. He was very ignorant. And I'm saying that publicly. Trump was very ignorant in what he said about Tylenol and pregnant women. You don't go there. So that's an example, Andy, where I'll still support him fully. Oh, yeah. But do I agree with what he said yesterday? No, I don't. He was stupid for saying so. Jeff Heard was stupid in his vote. Doesn't mean I won't support the guy, but that was a stupid vote. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
End of discussion. Move on. I'm a big-time fan of Donald Trump. That doesn't make me a rubber stamp. No. I'm a big-time fan of Jeff Hurd. That doesn't make me a rubber stamp. Thank you. Okay. And so here is what – and here's an example, and there are so many, but I just want to do one, of somebody who said, he's out, he's out, we're going to – he's got to go. And he goes – In my world, he's talking to me because I'm trying to reason with him and say, look, he's with us 95% of the time in America first. That is great for a tough district like that. That's a purple district. And we got a guy out of there who has voted with us 95% of the time. And he says, in my world, no one should vote for anyone that ever votes for someone that votes a single time for the wrong side in an important vote. Now think about that. That kind of purity test would mean that if you only accepted those kind of candidates, then you could only win deep red districts, which means you would have massive Democrat advantages, big, big advantages in both the House and the Senate. They would own both. If you required candidates who agreed with you on everything and you thought even a censure vote was this important, OK, that means that you would demand purist candidates, purity tests that would make sure Democrats would probably hold 70 to 75 seats in the Senate. I mean, it would be something ludicrous. OK, out of 435 seats in the House, they would probably have 300. It would just be insane. There would be no Trump agenda. And so here's what I'm getting to. Why do we even think that way? Why do we throw out strategy entirely? And here's why, emotion.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I was talking about this with you in the hallway beforehand when we came back in. Why have so many people, here in Colorado especially, on the right, become the purity test people who throw out strategy entirely? And here's why. Because their emotions have taken over. And what I mean is this. They run on rage because over the last couple decades, little by little, they have had more and more and more of their liberties taken away, taken away, taken away, taken away. And while it's happened, their rage is rising up, rising up, rising up. And what they've come to believe is this. If I just try to reason with people, if I just try to be a good strategist and do all this stuff, I'm going to lose. All I want is a fighter. I don't care what their beliefs are. I don't care. All I want is a basher and a fighter.
SPEAKER 14 :
And as I told you, you guys didn't hear this because Andy and I were talking at the top of the hour. I understand the plight, okay? I feel the pain, as Bill Clinton used to say.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
I understand where they're coming from, but they're still wrong. Andy, this is like business owners where I try to get them to open their mind when it comes to their own market and what they're doing and who their exact customer is and what target are they looking for and so on, which so many, by the way, don't know. Right. We have a situation here in Colorado with a lot of our hardcore GO peers that are out there that, frankly, either A, have never been in business, B, ignore that even if they have because of what you're saying, Andy, on the emotion side. And unfortunately, at the end of the day, if we continue down that path, just like any business, Andy, they're going to lose.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
In other words, if you're a business owner and you have that approach – you won't have any business. No. You'll lose the business. And in turn, in this case, if we, the GOP, continue to go down the path that these folks want us to go down, we also will lose.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And by the way, we just memorialized Charlie Kirk. Correct. After this horrible thing. Well, let me ask you, did Kirk approach all these college students as a fighter enraged?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, he was very kind to them. Right. Okay. He built a bridge to begin with.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely. When I look at these people, by the way, I believe they deserve their rage. I think your rage is right. I think your liberties have been taken away little by little by little by little. And then you turn around and all of a sudden there are boys and girls locker rooms. I get it. I mean, guys, America has gone so far to the left, it's terrifying. I get it. I agree.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
I get it.
SPEAKER 07 :
We're $37 trillion in debt. I could go on and on. I get it. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
You deserve your rage, but your rage doesn't sell. You deserve your rage, but your rage is not good strategy. It's not good strategy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Actually, let me take it one step further. It not only sells, it repels. Right. I'm going to add a word to that. So not only does it not sell, it repels. In other words, you become repulsive when you become that way, meaning nobody wants to listen to you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, and then they'll say, but I'm right on these things. You know what? You are right. I agree with you on 99% of the issues. It doesn't matter. Why don't you let them hear how right you are? Your rage is voter repellent.
SPEAKER 14 :
Just let me give you another example.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 14 :
As a business, all businesses make mistakes. There's no such thing as a perfect business. If you own one, I'd like to meet you because I've never met one yet. I don't care who you are. I don't care whether you're the biggest company in the world. Guess what? They make mistakes, have recalls, stuff happens because humans are there, Andy. And humans are by nature, we're fallible. We all make mistakes and things happen. So there's no such thing as a perfect business. So let me explain this, though. If in a situation you're at your counter and a customer comes in with a complaint. And by the way, I'm not saying the customer in this case is right. In fact, the customer could very much be wrong. But they walk in and they're irate about something. If you as an owner aren't empathetic. You don't stop to listen to them. You don't let them voice their problem and opinions. Right. And all you do is immediately attack them for walking in and having this problem in the first place. Guess who loses, Andy? You do. The business does. Yes. Even though the business may very well be right. The customer could be completely wrong in what's happening. And by the way, at the end of the day, if you've been empathetic and you've listened and you've tried to reason with them and they're still irate, then yes, in my world, even as a coach, you have all the rights to fire them at that point if you want to. But you've got to do the other things on the front side. You have to be able to reason with them on the front side and get them to a point where they're listening to you if, at the end of that time, they're no longer listening and they're swearing and they're doing all sorts of things that they shouldn't be doing. Then yes, you are free to ask them to leave and fire them at that point in time. But you've got to do the other things. Fire the customer? Fire the customer at that point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, of course. But you got to keep in mind.
SPEAKER 14 :
But you got to do the other stuff first.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you got to do that. I hear a lot of managers. I've heard them because I reason with them. I tell them absolutely everything you just said. And some of them, because they're emotional, they're angry.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And they want to think with their emotions, which, by the way, your emotions aren't meant for. But they want to think with their emotions. And so they come back with this. Well, I don't, you know, it's not that big of a sale. I don't really need them. Really? They got 10 friends. who have 10 friends. Don't you understand? The entire world is viral. You can't do that. You have to handle this as best as you can.
SPEAKER 14 :
And then at the end, like I said a moment ago, if you've done all those things correctly, and that person, because this is my other theory on this, if after doing all of that, you've rationalized, you've tried to calm the situation down, you've not come back at them with the same tone they've come at you at, and you've done everything you possibly can to get things settled, and they're still that way, then here's the thing. Fire them. Because here's the reality. They probably don't have any friends. Because nobody likes them and or they know they're this way all the time. And even if they go out and badmouth you, they're going to be thinking, yeah, well, you know, Joe, we know you're that way all the time anyway. So, yeah, I'm not going to listen to what you have to say on this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, my dad always put it this way. Make your story a good one.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And so, you know, yeah, they may be a bad person who's going to go out and lie about you anyway, but your story is going to be a good one. Oh, actually, no. When they said that, here's how I tried to reason with them. Right. And anybody listening to you, you know what you're going to do? You're actually going to gain your customers.
SPEAKER 14 :
You're going to convince them. That's exactly it. Now, the problem is, Andy, our site's not doing any of that.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 14 :
We're literally, as you said, we're living on rage. That's the only thing we've got that we're actually being motivated by. We don't understand the market. We don't know how to talk to those folks. And by the way, folks listening that are in this camp, I'm not talking about reaching that far lefty. I'm not talking about that.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, no.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because you're not going to reach them anyways. They're not the target. Yeah, that's not who we're talking about. I'm talking about in Colorado, there's about, what, Andy, 42% to 44% of what we call unaffiliated voters, 46%. What is it now?
SPEAKER 07 :
It's been rising. It's close to half now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so 50%.
SPEAKER 07 :
Close to half.
SPEAKER 14 :
So we've got 50% of what we call unaffiliated in Colorado. That's their real name. They're not independent. They're called unaffiliated voters. Right. We've got 50% of those in that column that we have to try to reach.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And we really have to because the Democrats outnumber us by quite a bit. After the break, can we talk one last time, because we're going to have the vote this Saturday, about the opt-out? Because this is a prime example, John, of emotional people in the Republican Party not looking at the ballot.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. Golden Eagle Financial. Al's coming up next with a great interview. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. Find him at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 11 :
TJ here with KLZ and Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. And Al, I have a question for you. I've been putting money away for a while in a savings account or maybe a couple of investment accounts, but what am I doing wrong and what can you do better than that?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I think a savings account is important because all the financial gurus, including myself, agree you should have three to six months savings that you have ready liquid access to. But retirement planning is a bit more long-term and and it's a bit more strategic. We want to take a look at the sum of money you'll need way into the future, and we want to look at how that money can last by providing you income for as long as you live.
SPEAKER 11 :
What kind of planning or strategy do you provide for folks with that that have a big savings but haven't made that next step?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that's a good question. If someone has a large amount in savings, one of the things I do is we have a conversation about their risk tolerance. Nobody's comfortable losing money, but having money in the market over a long period of time is a mechanism to accumulate wealth. And so we talk about the different levels of risk and the different products that are available. And we don't put everybody into one box, but I have an enormous assortment of financial products. And it's not that there's good ones or bad ones. It's there are some that are more appropriate for some people, but not for others.
SPEAKER 11 :
And that sounds excellent. How can folks get in touch with you for that meeting?
SPEAKER 09 :
You can reach me at 303-744-1128. And if I'm not there, it goes to voicemail, but I return my voicemails promptly. And we could have a conversation in the office. If you live a considerable distance away, we can have a long phone conversation or a Zoom call, whichever you would prefer.
SPEAKER 11 :
And as always, you can find him at klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, thank you, TJ. Thanks for the conversation.
SPEAKER 11 :
You bet.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 5CC. Okay, so Andy, what's coming up this weekend and why is it such a big deal?
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, the opt-out, and it's a really, really, really big deal. Okay, the opt-out of what? Yeah, that's what I'm getting to. Okay. Right now we have open primaries in Colorado, just as a reminder.
SPEAKER 14 :
And why do we have those?
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they were voted in in January. By? Mainly unaffiliated voters.
SPEAKER 14 :
On a complete ballot initiative, though, where it wasn't something legislatively done. This was done by the voters.
SPEAKER 07 :
This wasn't forced on us by elected officials. The voters voted for this. And look, it was voted in by around, I think, seven points. But think about that for a moment, because, you know, Republicans voted overwhelmingly against it. So what does that mean unaffiliated did? They voted overwhelmingly for it. That means that the group, that half of the voters that you want to win, overwhelmingly wants open primaries. They want to be able to have a say in which candidates they are given. Now, in principle, do I like this? No, I do not. I like closed primaries.
SPEAKER 14 :
Can I explain why they want it, though?
SPEAKER 07 :
I'll get to it in a sec.
SPEAKER 14 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
I just want to say, why do I support closed primaries? I think only Republicans should decide who represents Republicans in the general election. Okay? I think we should get to choose our own candidates. I agree with that in principle. The market doesn't. Go ahead. Why?
SPEAKER 14 :
They feel, the unaffiliated voters, they feel in a lot of cases disenfranchised by both parties in some cases. Right. And they don't like something that's gone on at one time. They felt like caucus was the good old boys club, which by the way it is at times. They didn't like this, that, or the other. They don't like the way the party's being run. They don't like the fundraising. They don't like this. There's something they don't like.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I can go down the list of reasons that they don't like it, so they become unaffiliated. But yet in their heart, especially those that are conservative unaffiliated, they still feel like they're still a Republican.
SPEAKER 07 :
They do.
SPEAKER 14 :
And they still want to have a say in who runs in these elections that we have here in Colorado, even though they don't want to put an R next to their name. Now, I get it. All of you purists out there would say, well, they shouldn't be able to vote. If they're not willing to put an R next to their name, then we should just kick them out and get off my lawn.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, OK. Well, guess what? You were just talking about the market. That's your market. That's the customer. And this is why you and I were talking to break. I always have a problem with these politicians who have never really been in business. And like you said, maybe they own a business, but have they had to work with the customers? Have you had to deal with a customer who is irate and comes in five minutes before you were planning and closing and going and having dinner with your wife? Have you dealt with that customer at that time? Well, no, then you've not. Benning customer service.
SPEAKER 14 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, you don't know what it's like. You don't know the market. You don't know the real world. You're not ready for this, man. Okay? And, you know, by the way, Jeff Heard, you made a mistake with your market. A lot of your market is Republican voters. You've got to win the next primary. He will, but now it's going to be harder. You forgot your market when you cast that vote. Okay? You angered a bunch of people you didn't have to for no reason whatsoever. Now you're paying the price. Okay. Getting back to the opt-out. a very small number of Republicans in Colorado really want to opt out of the open primary.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
But that group, the Davidians, as we usually call them, the Rhino Watchers, they own about half of the state central committee. And over half of the state central committee, which I am on, wants to opt out of the primary, forcefully opt out. In other words, we will no longer be in this open primary. OK, now the reason is they're angry. They've been convinced by the Davidians, actually by Dave Williams himself. They have been convinced of these things. Number one, that Colorado Republicans haven't won a statewide race since open primaries started. So open primaries are the problem.
SPEAKER 14 :
And really quick, I did look up. I wanted to double-check to see. Yeah, go ahead. It was 7% is what the margin of victory was, 7%.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, so I was right. I nailed it. 53 to 46. Oh, wow. I nailed it right on that. So you're right on the money. What do you know?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, and obviously it was a much wider margin. It had to be amongst the unaffiliated. And so here's the thing. First of all, they say, well, we haven't won a state race since open primary started. Folks, we were on that exact trend line beforehand. We were trending down because Republican registrations were trending down at that rate. As you hit tipping points, you lose CD6. You lose any statewide race. You lose the attorney general. You lose all these things. You're going to lose them. You're going to lose both senator positions. We were trending. That was going to happen anyway. And it did. And it happened right when it was going to happen. We hit that tipping point and continued down. Open primaries, correlation does not equal causation. Open primaries did not cause us to lose anything.
SPEAKER 14 :
We were already on our way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. It's totally a fallacy. Well, then the Davidians will come out and say, open primaries give our enemies the right to vote for our candidates so they can choose the weakest one.
SPEAKER 14 :
It doesn't really work that way either. Well, it actually works the opposite.
SPEAKER 07 :
Our enemies are going to want to vote for candidates on our side who they think will lose.
SPEAKER 14 :
Like Ron Hanks.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, they're going to. And how do we know that? Because.
SPEAKER 14 :
We've seen it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because where do they spend their money? They spend their money. The Democrats literally spend their money helping the very same candidates that the Davidians want.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because they know at the end of the day, they're the easiest to defeat, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And they are.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. You put your money where your hopes are. Okay. And that's what they do. And I can go through this. Look, bottom line. Here's what happens. If all the reasons for opting out don't hold up, I don't have time to go into it. We just don't have time. But I did a long post on it this morning. I did two posts. Okay. And the second post was, okay, now what is wrong with opting out? I first dealt with their arguments, then gave mine. First of all, by opting out, Republicans would send a clear message to Colorado's unaffiliated voters, half the voters in the state, which is what, John? Get off our lawn.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep. Get off my lawn. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. There's no way to sugarcoat that. Okay?
SPEAKER 14 :
That's what you're telling them.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And what's the main reason we want to throw them out? Because, as we keep saying, they give us bad candidates.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, they don't.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, no, they don't. But think about that for a moment. Then your message is, we don't like our candidates. So, first of all, you're bashing your own candidates. And you're saying, and it's your fault, not ours. So, we're blaming you, unaffiliated voters, because we have bad candidates. Wow. That's your messaging. It's awful. Okay. Oh, it's unbelievable. Next, opting out literally means our tax dollars would buy free advertising for Democrats. You see, all those primary ballots, they're still going to go out. And they're going to go to all those millions of unaffiliated voters who we need to win. Only they're only going to have Democrat names on them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because we're out of it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Meaning you just lost all your advertisement.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. But your tax dollars are funding free advertising for the Democrat Party. Way to go. Okay? And for two months, because that's primary season, Coloradoans will have no reason to talk about your party, only theirs. Yep. John, you tell me in business, what businessman wants all the customers to spend two months only looking at their competitor?
SPEAKER 14 :
None.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Now, there are a lot of other reasons I don't have time to go into it. Bottom line is this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really quick, last but not least, how can we afford to even do this?
SPEAKER 07 :
We can't. Oh, yeah. Some people think, well, then we'll have our closed primary. No, you don't understand. We have no money. We don't have the lawyers. We don't have the volunteers. We don't have anything that it would take. to hold our own primary. So if we're gonna have, if we get out of the open primary, that means we're gonna choose our candidates through caucus and assembly, which are attended by well under 1% of Colorado Republicans. And people come back and say, well, everybody's welcome to attend caucus and assembly. Hey, you don't understand. It doesn't matter who can. It matters who will. And when you come out and say, we're going to require a system that 99% of Republicans don't attend, don't tell me you're representing the grassroots. You just threw them out. Guys, you're making it so you can't choose your own candidates. And you're doing it while insulting half the state's voters. And you are going to pay for free advertising for the other side. It's the worst decision imaginable. And getting back to why, John, emotion.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and I'll predict this. If you guys are dead set on doing this and you end up somehow Saturday making this happen and we lose the open primary that we have right now and you go back to a complete caucus system, Colorado is done.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Done. Completely done. I'm sorry to say, you might as well not even show up to vote in the future because it didn't go make any difference at that point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, you're pouring gasoline on the Colorado GOP and lighting a match.
SPEAKER 14 :
You might as well close up shop, close the office. You're done. Stop doing what you're doing. There's no sense even having caucus moving forward. You might as well just hang it up and call it good because you're done.
SPEAKER 07 :
But, John, the very fact that they would even entertain this, much less have a majority who want it, what does that tell you?
SPEAKER 14 :
They're running on rage. They're not thinking.
SPEAKER 07 :
They're not.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, our texter, Andy, keeps telling us, or keeps telling me, by the way, that how do we know that the shooter, the Charlie Kirk shooter, was actually on the left? He was registered in the middle, is what this guy's saying.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, independent. Really quick here, folks, and I come from the hard left. There are a lot of people on the hard left who register independent so that they can give an image of being open-minded. And that allows them to speak to a lot of things when they are absolutely pushing a far-left agenda on purpose. Taking that D off their name gives them more authority.
SPEAKER 14 :
And in this case, you can look at this guy's actions, what he's done, what he was doing, what he believed in, the whole transgender end of things and so on. Yeah, he's not a conservative. He's not on the right. He's not even in the middle. He is a hardcore lefty through and through, folks.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. So his statements on Charlie Kirk and so on would prove to you that that was the case. So anyways, we'll be back. Another full hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 10 :
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In this episode of the Best Stocks Now show, professional money manager Bill Gundersen and Barry Kott delve into the dynamic landscape of the stock market amidst new all-time highs across several indexes. They discuss the implications of Federal Reserve interest rate adjustments and the subsequent market reactions as key economic indicators continue to fluctuate. As Bill and Barry exchange insights, they highlight the pivotal influence of global companies such as Boeing and NVIDIA on economic growth and stock valuations, offering listeners a nuanced understanding of current market conditions.
SPEAKER 02 :
He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome to the Tuesday morning. It is the Tuesday, September 23rd edition of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. And I'm here with Barry Kott, our chartered financial analyst. We have a mixed market today, but normally when I say that, Barry, that's the NASDAQ that's up and the Dow that's down. Today it's just the opposite. We had new highs across the board on all three indexes and in gold yesterday. Seeing a little bit of profit taking in the NASDAQ today. It's down 65 points to 22,724. The Dow, however, powers to a new all-time high today. It's up 300 points, 297 points. to 46,678. We'll try to find what the propellant is in that Dow index today. Could be Boeing. Boeing's getting a slew of orders. from around the world today. The S&P is up three points right now. The Russell 2000 small cap index, meanwhile, is up three-quarters of a percent. A little bit of risk on here today. The 10-year is quiet, but it's up an eighth of a point since our friend at the Fed lowered it by a quarter of a percent. I think his rhetoric afterwards did not help. And he's speaking today, so God help us. Whatever Jerome Powell has to say today. Watch the bond market today. Gold is powering to another new all-time high today. It's up almost 1% to 3,811. Wow. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. I'm here in my home base today of Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, after spending a week on the opposite coast. In that Silicon Valley. Barry back in the saddle again here. Head east, young man. That's what we did. My body clock. Yeah, I think so. And three hours doesn't make much of a difference. I've heard, boy, you go to India or China or Japan or one of those. You're really messed up for a week or two. Luckily we don't have any clients in Osaka or in New Delhi yet, but we have clients all across America. Now yesterday, look, the market hit all time highs across the board. The Dow hit an all-time high. It's powering to new all-time highs again today. The Nasdaq hit a new all-time high yesterday, and it's powering to a new all-time high, or no, it's down a little bit here today. We've got the S&P 500 just barely hitting a new all-time high today. And we've got gold. Can you believe gold right now? 3,819 is where gold is today. And that also is a new all-time high. Okay, now Barry, I want you to weigh in on this. Why in the world... We got a quarter of a point rate cut by the Fed. And since that announcement, rates are up an eighth of a point. Okay. Get me way in on that, would you?
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, it goes to show you, as we've talked about before, I mean, the only part of the interest rate curve that the Federal Reserve truly controls, right, is the short end. And so the key is we need that 10-year to come down a bit, certainly given where mortgage rates are. I mean, you can't have a good 30-year mortgage if you have the 10-year too high as well. So that's really the part of the curve I think that they're going to have to try to work on versus just cutting on the short end. So we'll see, you know, because a lot of the short end is priced in to the market, right? We've seen it on the percentages. But the 10-year is a lot stickier.
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So why did the market react with a bump higher of almost 15 basis points now? Was it what he said? That to me is the elephant in the room.
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Yeah, I mean, I think, of course, any inflation expectations of potentially being higher than they anticipated, that would kind of bump that 10-year up. They continue to mention that. You know, they're worried about some inflation potentially, right? They haven't seen it but are worried about it. And, you know, to me that's probably what's more priced into that longer end of the curve because, you know, if inflation is going to be higher for longer, right, then lending 10 years out, right, is going to be a bit riskier and you need to be compensated for that, I guess, in terms of a higher rate.
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Yes, and that seems to be, I just think, you know, he said this is just a maintenance move, which I thought was kind of a snarky remark, really. And, you know, the market started selling off and interest rates started moving up right after he said that. Now, God help us, he's speaking today somewhere.
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Yeah, we've got a 91% chance, right, of another quarter point cut at the next meeting. That'll be on October 29th. And then, let's see, by December, you pretty much have a... I mean, a 77% chance of essentially two more cuts from where we're at right now.
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Yes. Okay. Well, you know, like I say, yesterday and over the weekend and Friday and all the whole week in California, you know, I kept hearing, where's the top? Where's the top? And, you know, interest rates have a lot to do with that. We were asked the question from several people, what impact do interest rates have on the market? Well, we're in an easing cycle right now. You can say that. The worm has turned. And it's just like when we went into a tightening cycle in, what, early 2022, late 21, somewhere in there. That spelled 30% sell-off in the market, which was bloated at that time from the sugar high from the COVID stimulus. And, you know, so you hit valuations back then, 20-year highs. And then, of course, we backed off considerably as rates went up. He had 475 basis point hikes in a row, which is pretty draconian. He was wrong back then. You know, he was way late in raising interest rates coming out of COVID and caused that big bubble. You know, I would say that a few banks going down, you know, or the Fed did not help with 475 basis point hikes, which absolutely slaughtered the long term treasury.
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I don't think the Fed has done a very good job. Well, they were certainly playing catch-up in that sense when you're moving 75 basis points at a time. Four times in a row. That tells you that you were a little bit behind the curve.
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Way behind the curve. Way, way, way behind the curve. They caused a 30% sell-off in the market. They caused a huge, almost a mini crash in the U.S. long treasury 20 to 30 years out, which then sent Silicon Valley Bank down, and a few others at that time. So I would give Jerome Powell an F-plus if I was giving him a grade as running the Fed. I just think he's done a terrible job of reading the tea leaves and interpreting them and getting out in front of things. I think he's done a horrible job, and I can't wait until he's gone and we get somebody in there that's a little bit more intuitive about You know, data is data. You know, problem is, Barry, a lot of times the data is late, right? By the time you get the data, by the time the market sold off by 25%, you know, oh, well, we know now that the top was several months ago. But it's also like that in these reports that we get on the economy. By the time we start to get huge layoffs and big increases in initial jobless claims, you The jobs market will have peaked long ago, so you have to have a little intuition and a little bit of wisdom, in my opinion, in looking at the data and trying to get out in front of the data, which is where I think he's done a terrible job. Okay, well, you know, vaccines are political. Now Tylenol is political. Autism is political. Of course, yesterday, as expected, Trump, RFK, Marty McQuarrie. I don't know who the woman was. I think she's the new CDC chief. But they did draw a link between autism and Tylenol, which is being roundly excused today. Nah, there's no link between the two. We've proven that Tylenol is safe during pregnancy. That's what the world, that's what the, I don't know, I guess the medical community is saying. We'll be right back.
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And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Docs Now show. Well, the whole autism thing, you know, Barry, that's been quite a thing to watch here over the last... 20 or 30 years. I still remember the movie Rain Man with Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise. And, of course, some of the Neil Young famously has a son. That has severe autism. He did an album about him. Remember albums? It was called Transformer Man. And he put him in that school by San Francisco, the Bridges, where they've also had some great concerts there. But his son is severely autistic. And for that reason, Neil Young also became an investor. At one time, he owned 20% of Lionel trains.
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Trains, right.
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And another, tied to the Lionel trains, that seems to be something that the autistic kids like, things like that, stimulates their senses. And another father, he invented a clip that kept the track from coming apart and derailing for his son because his son was autistic and would get very, very frustrated with the trains derailing. And he invented a clip. uh... to keep them together because of an autistic son and of course uh... i've known many people you know working with the youth uh... in our uh... in our church over the last many years i've had many uh... that were in my class uh... or in my uh... you know uh... it under my uh... supervision that were autistic i remember one time This was about three years ago. We went to a girls camp. These were all high school age and junior high age girls and one severely autistic. And she drinks a Diet Coke every evening at about 5.30 p.m., right? I mean, that's her routine. And she brought her stash of Diet Cokes up to the camp, put them in the refrigerator. And unbeknownst to her, somebody had drank her Diet Cokes. And when she went to get her Diet Coke, it wasn't there. And that's not good, you know, to interrupt somebody's routine. And by the grace of God, I had a Diet Coke unopened in my car. And I went out and got it. You never would have seen a happier girl without it. to see that Diet Coke. But it is, you know, it's become really an epidemic going from one in, I don't know, 10,000 to one in 31 or whatever it is. It's really something. I mean, it's something that we need to get to the bottom of. And look, that seems to be RFK's, one of his missions. He said many months ago that by September we would have One of the main causes behind autism, and they came up with the Tylenol as, you know, taking Tylenol, pregnant women in the early months of pregnancy, as having a tie, a big tie. Well, I look at it this way, Barry. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a doctor, but You know, it has to be something that changed somewhere along the way, you know, and they kind of know the date where all of a sudden autism entered into the picture in a much bigger way and has become worse and worse over time. It has to be something that's commonly used, right? Just from a statistical point of view and a mathematical point of view, A lot of women, you know, there really is nothing else other than Tylenol to take for aches and pains, fever, this kind of thing, right?
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Yeah, I mean, you said it, I think, in terms of hiding in plain sight, I think, a couple days, yesterday or so. But, you know, it's one of those things, yeah, so common that, you know, that that was... You know, maybe, I don't know, overlooked or what have you. Who knows? But, yeah, I mean, I thought it was something, don't take ibuprofen during pregnancy. I can't remember.
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Yeah, citaminophen, which is the Tylenol. And, you know, Johnson & Johnson here is culpable here. Kenview stock is up 4% and a lot of the medical community, a lot of the professors, the colleges are crying foul here that no, that's not it. There is no link. Tylenol has been proven safe. The one thing that kind of stood out to me is Cuba. They mentioned that in Cuba, Tylenol is too expensive for most Cubans. Most things are too expensive for most Cubans, unfortunately. They don't take Tylenol, and they have a very low, if any, autism at all. To me... That just seems to be kind of a common sense thing, right, to create that tie between them. But because it's Trump and because it's RFK and this and that, you know, no, Thailand All Safe, continue to take it. It's been proven to be safe. Me, if I were to ever have another child, I wouldn't have my wife taking Tylenol during the pregnancy. But, you know, go ahead. I mean, this is going to be argued and this is going to be poo-pooed and this is going to be scoffed at. To me, there's probably room for some drug company to come up with a safer alternative to Tylenol that gives the same benefits without this link. And then the other one that is kind of interesting is GlaxoSmithKline, GSK. They're linking a drug there to being a big help once somebody has autism. But then I look at the stock here today, and the stock is down 60 basis points. So the world and the medical community and the science and research community is looking at RFK and looking at Marty McQuarrie and looking at Trump and looking at the reconfigured CDC panel. and basically scoffing at all of this. Where does the truth lie? And then the other one that seems to be at issue here is the maker, the actual manufacturer, Kenview, which was spun off by Johnson & Johnson, K-V-U-E. And then I hear the arguments on the other side, well, you know, we've proven that it's hereditary, also autism, and that doesn't explain the Tylenol connection. So anyways, I just find it... discouraging in today's world that we're so divided on everything and anything one side says is completely scoffed at and anything the other side says is a completely scoffed at which leads me to the conclusion you know that each person has to decide for themselves using wisdom using what you feel in your heart and in your gut, and try to go from there, because we're certainly not going to hear it from the Democrats or from the Republicans, because they're so darned divided at this point in time. Okay, when we come back, that was pretty big news, I thought, in NVIDIA yesterday. And NVIDIA really popped to the upside yesterday. And it also lifted the nuke stocks. They all had a terrific day yesterday. And even some of the younger nuke stocks also having a terrific day yesterday. And the data center stocks. What was that news on NVIDIA? We'll be right back. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GuntersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services, call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show.
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And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Stocks Now show. Well, you know, the hottest IPO as we look into the future, OpenAI...
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I don't know when that will be, a year from now, two years from now. That's Sam Altman. The valuation being given to that company is astronomical. What's it going to do, open up and be in the Dow on day one, Barry? Is it going to be a trillion dollars on day one? This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my life. But if you're an NVIDIA shareholder, NVIDIA has a pretty big stake, stock stake in OpenAI. And they also announced yesterday that they would be working with OpenAI with opening up data centers. It just seems like all the energy in the world is going to be gobbled up by artificial intelligence. which seems a little bit ridiculous to me. I don't know that we're any smarter. I really don't know that we're any smarter with artificial intelligence, but there's many people that think it's the end-all, greater than God, you know, we're going to have all of this intelligence at our fingertips. I don't think we've become any wiser as a people. That's just my opinion. NVIDIA had a heck of a breakout yesterday. Just when it looked like it was going to roll over. You know, it got down to 164 two weeks ago. And that was testing its support level. It's been in a sideways trend since about early August. And by sideways trend, I don't mean it's been going down and then it's leveled off. No, just the opposite. It's a plane that took off the runway back in March, late March, when it bottomed out at 86. Can you believe that? It bottomed out at $86 per share. Today, what is that? One, two, three, four, five, six months later, it's at 180. It's added almost 100 points. to its price since then. Okay, so it's been taking off, it's been gaining altitude, and it finally leveled off at about 185, all right, is where it leveled off. And then it started bouncing between 185 and about 165. It's in a $20 range. That's called range bound. And it's going sideways after a long ascent. I can't use any better analogy than an airplane that finally levels off at 30,000 feet and is going sideways. And they do go up and down a little bit. Sometimes they're trying to find smooth air, right? Time for beverage service, right? Yeah, I can open up my laptop. Here comes the stale peanuts and the Diet Coke to get me through the flight. And so it got down to that 165 level just two weeks ago, which is at the bottom of that trading range, and it looked pretty vulnerable. And the reason why I talk about NVIDIA so much is because it's a bellwether stock. It's a big bellwether stock. In fact, one analyst today mentioned, and I think it's probably true, NVIDIA is carrying the weight of its shoulders of the U.S. economy. Much of the growth in the U.S. economy is coming from NVIDIA, an artificial intelligence that ripples out from NVIDIA and the splash that it's made. in this whole tech sector and in the nation's economy and a lot of this growth and earnings for the s&p 500 is coming from nvidia and the ancillary stocks that surround nvidia we wouldn't be at the kind of growth we're at which has been you know quarter over quarter we've been at 8-12% growth here for several quarters in a row. It's an unprecedented streak of double-digit growth for the S&P 500, which is also carrying the S&P 500 to new all-time highs. Well, NVIDIA had that news yesterday. It had a huge pop. Just when you thought it was going to roll over, all of a sudden it's invigorated again on huge volume and continues to march higher. And I do think that as we look for clues at where that top is at some point, It certainly wasn't yesterday. I mean, you saw the Dow, the NASDAQ, the S&P 500 all motoring to new highs yesterday. And, of course, the Dow is following through once again today. Did you see the orders that Boeing – you know, I went to the – the airport a couple times this past week, once all the way there and then once on the way home and once to retrieve my key and back to get my car. I just can't believe the explosion in the building that is taking place. It's something to behold, and the planes that are on board
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You see the ones out there for delivery there? Just ready to double part.
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And I'm a guy that goes to the airport pretty regularly, so it's like going to the shopping mall. Peter Lynch used to go to the shopping mall and see the line out the door. That's for, say, an Abercrombie & Fitch or an American Eagle or whatever the case may have been back in those days, Gap Stores. Well, I'm just giving you a report from on the ground here in Charleston, South Carolina. Wow, is all I can say. Turkey is expected to announce a big order. I saw an interview with Erdogan last night. You know, Erdogan plays both sides. He plays what's good for him. I think he's a little bit more loyal to the communist side, the Russia and the China, than he is to the U.S., even though he's a member of NATO. You know, I see him more on the other side of the fence, but... He wants to keep America happy and Lockheed's supposed to get a big order from him for fighter jets. Can we trust Erdogan? He's already got fighter jets, but that's been a controversy here over the last couple of decades. But he's supposed to do a big order with Boeing. Kazakhstan teed up a big order, like 100 planes. I kind of believe they're hiring over there at Boeing. And the third one is China. So Boeing stock, let's just take a look at it. It didn't look very good yesterday. I thought, you know, is Boeing going to break through that 215 support level? There's another chart that has been in a strong uptrend and now has leveled off at 30,000 feet. was threatening to break down actually yesterday, and now all of this news of new orders, and Boeing is up 2.5% here today on the news of those orders, which, you know, Boeing is also a bellwether stock. for the dow for sure i remember when boeing put in a bottom back in the covid years of course boeing that wasn't good covid was not good for boeing and covid was not good for the airlines and covid was not good for almost everybody but the airlines especially and boeing you know were hurt badly
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And they had some labor disputes, right? They had some strikes they had to work through. They obviously had some headline risk when it came to any kind of plane crash or anything, any of that news.
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Well, and they had all that 737, the planes going down during that period of time, and a very troubled company. Now, the other one that got a big order yesterday and had a big pop, I thought, where did that come from? And all of a sudden today I read that Embraer, ERJ out of Brazil, got a big order. And Embraer had a big pop yesterday. We own Embraer in the relative value range. portfolio and man that that stock had a really nice day yesterday we have some big gains in Embraer ERJ it's down just a little bit here today but Embraer also got some some good gains here yesterday and then of course yesterday with the NVIDIA news and this whole AI thing the open AI which is now a for-profit company at some point it will go public that set the nuke stocks on fire once again uh... yesterday a huge gain for constellation energy now these are the established nuke stocks the big guys GE vernova had a huge gain yesterday Vistra had a huge gain yesterday. They're pulling back. There's some profit taking in those stocks after a huge day yesterday. And Talent Energy, TLN, also had a huge day yesterday. And when we come back, we'll talk a little bit about Oklo, which has had one, two, three, four huge days in the last couple weeks today. because their initiative up in Idaho is making progress. We'll be right back.
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Stocks Now show. I want to look into the indexes just a little bit here. Intel is up 4% today. Okay, that's the biggest winner in the NASDAQ. And, you know, we were there. We were like two blocks, right, from Intel up. When that big news broke, and there's another... Yeah, 25% move that day.
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It was kind of the story of the week last week. Unbelievable.
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And, you know, there's another card that Jensen Wang has in his hand, right? Right. is the collaboration and the investment in Intel. And to some extent, you know, when Intel goes up, that helps NVIDIA stock. And to another extent, when OpenAI does another round of funding. Now the valuation is one gazillion. NVIDIA has a piece of the action there.
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And I believe Microsoft does too, don't they?
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Yes, Microsoft has a big investment in OpenAI. Micron's up 2.1. I'm not seeing big tech today. I'll tell you a stock that has really taken off. Wow. Good timing. Whoever runs that relative value fund did a good job in picking up ASM lithography at an excellent point in time. What is their claim to fame? Well, I mean, it takes very, very high-tech advanced equipment. In those Taiwan semiconductor factories, thank you, that's another one we own in the relative value fund. It continues to hit new all-time highs. You know, the triage is, the trio is Nvidia with the chip design. uh asm lithography with the equipment to make the chips and taiwan semiconductor housing that equipment knowing how to use that equipment to produce they're the fab they fabricate the chips And ASM lithography has just bolted higher and taken off. And, of course, TSM has also had a fantastic, oh, my gosh, it's breaking out again today to new all-time highs. TSM is now a $1.5 trillion company. Boy, if Chairman Xi really wanted to upset the apple cart, surround Taiwan, invade Taiwan, and take over those chip plants, which are cranking out 80% of the chips in the world, including these high-speed AI chips, that's the vulnerability there. Look at the earnings runway in Taiwan Semiconductor, TSM. All of a sudden, they're going to have 45% growth in earnings this year, 20% next year. And, you know, that was a big piece of that trend. A presentation that I did a week ago today in Santa Clara at the Marriott there, I spent a lot of time showing the correlation. I don't know about Tylenol and autism, but earnings and stock price appreciation, there's definitely a correlation, right? Oh, you could argue with me and say, nah, there's no correlation. It's just all supply and demand. That's all it is. The markets are efficient. You know, people would argue with the point that there's a strong correlation between earnings, growth, and stock price appreciation. Yeah, correlation and causation, too, by the way. Absolutely. And just watch what happens when a company guides higher. Not only is there a correlation between past earnings... There's an even stronger correlation to future earnings because that's where the stock is headed. Watch what happens when a company comes along and guides higher. Guides higher. There's also that correlation between earnings. Well, look what happens when a company comes in and beats. Look what Oracle did. When they came in and beat, the stock was up 30%. Did that occur while we were in Silicon Valley or was that the week before? I can't remember. It gets all jumbled up in my mind. But Taiwan Semiconductor, the runway for earnings and sales growth is just unbelievable right now. And the stock is hitting new highs because of that correlation. So that stock is having a fantastic day here today. What's not working in the NASDAQ today? Let me look here. The NASDAQ's weak today. The Chinese stocks are off a little bit. NVIDIA's down 2%. I'm going to call that profit-taking. after the big jump higher yesterday you know and then there's stocks like why would you own O'Reilly Automotive why would you own Regeneron or stocks that have lost ADP which have lost their way as it relates to earnings. And I showed the difference, you know, between the big earnings stocks out there today and the flat ones, and you can see the difference in the performance of the stocks. It kind of is some profit-taking in the AI space.
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Yes, after yesterday. Vistra is down. Some of the, you know, GE, Vernova is down. Yes. Some of the energy names are down, and Astera is down about 5%.
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Was yesterday the top? We don't know. We won't know until after the fact. Now, you could guess. I know many people that got out a year ago, that got out nine months ago, that got out when Trump took office, got out six months ago, got out three months ago, got out last month, and then it all hits a new all-time high yesterday. So as I say, There's a lot of clues out there. We'll get a lot of help. It's going to start to show up in the individual stocks, in the technical charts, and in the earnings reports, and also in the earnings guidance that these companies are giving. And that's why I am so immersed. My neighbor hires a fishing guide to take him out every, this must be Tuesday, every Tuesday a fishing guide comes to his house, they launch the boat, which they're getting ready to launch the boat, and they go out fishing. My neighbor's a smart guy. He hires a fishing guide that's immersed in the water every single day and probably takes him right to the fish.
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And doesn't have to be a boat owner.
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No, these are the fishing months here in Charleston, September and October. I need to get in on that deal and find out how they're doing. I've been too busy to ask him even how. But this is big redfish time and big trout, speckled trout time here in the Charleston area. I'm going to get a report. I'll have a report for you, a fishing report for you tomorrow from my neighbor who hires a fishing guide, smart man, saves a lot of gas, puts a little fish on the table. To get our fishing report every Saturday, GundersenCapital.com, that's the newsletter. To hire a fishing guide for you who's immersed in it every day, set up an appointment, 855-611-BEST. 855-611-BEST. Have a great day, everybody.
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Join Kim Monson as she dives into crucial conversations on freedom, force, and the role of government in our lives. In this episode, Kim examines the concept of 'nexus' — the point of connection between freedom and speech — while reflecting on historical insights from Thomas Jefferson. This dialogue scrutinizes not only past and present liberties but also the contemporary discussion surrounding hate speech and the implications of restricting it. Moreover, explore the pressing issue of economic fragility as Colorado teeters on the brink of recession. Kim discusses the local and federal roles influencing economic stability with real-world examples and their impacts on local governance. This episode also features a special segment with Debbie Perry-Smith discussing a significant upcoming event which promises to highlight pivotal social issues concerning our collective future.
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And force can be a weapon, policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, compliance, the World Economic Forum's agenda played out through the globalist elite's agenda as well, the United Nations, this Colorado state legislature, the Colorado governor, but now we're seeing it on the local level through a variety of things such as land use codes and zoning regulations, force fees, those kinds of things. Remember, if something's a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. And on the show, we focus on the issues, and we'll mention the people involved pushing those issues but we're staying out of the eighth grade girl fighting that we see so many times in politics our word of the day is nexus and it's spelled n-e-x-u-s and it could be a means of connection a link or tie a number two a connected series or group or number three the core or center And we're going to, I think, continue to talk about speech and how hate speech would be the nexus to shutting down our voices. So your challenge is to use the word nexus in a sentence today. And I'll talk more about hate speech, because I remember when I first started to hear that and when I first started to hear bullying, I thought that I thought, well, I'm uncomfortable, certainly with those two things. But freedom of speech is the fact that people can say uncomfortable things. And I remember I was in a discussion. This was early on in this whole journey of mine. And I remember I was in a conversation with, I would say, a really radical activist gay man. And he was pushing that we needed to clamp down on hate speech. And I agreed with him that people shouldn't engage in hate speech, but that freedom of speech, even to say uncomfortable things, is important. And he brought up the example of Matthew Shepard, which was a young gay man that was found He was found murdered in Wyoming. And there's conflicting stories about exactly what happened there. But he brought up the story of Matthew Shepard and why we should not have hate speech. And I said, well, actually, we have laws against murder. We do not need to have laws against hate speech because who defines what hate speech is? And we have laws. He said, well, and this was again, this was really pretty much early on in the gay movement. He said, well, that gays are bullied or people say things to them. And I said, well... Again, the freedom to say uncomfortable things is important. And he said, oh, and people beat people up. I said, there are laws against that. And we're in a very dangerous position right now in our country regarding speech with the murder, assassination of... Charlie Kirk, what we're seeing is people are dusting off control of speech on really on both sides of the aisle. And so we've got to really watch what's happening here. We need to be. We need to be responsible citizens. We need to be striving for truth and for excellence. And when you do that, you're typically not over here in what would be defined as bullying and hate speech. But we have to we're in a really dangerous time. So we're going to be talking about that. And so let's continue on. The quote of the day is from Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson was born in 1743. He died July 4, 1826, which was the same day that John Adams died. And they had been enemies and friends. And it's just, it's amazing what happens sometimes. Sorry about that. I'm not sure if you're all hearing that. I'm getting an Amber Alert, and I don't know how to turn that off, so sorry about that. Anyway, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams died on the same day, July 4, 1826, 50 years to the day after the Declaration of Independence was signed. And Jefferson was an American founding father, the third president, and he was the primary author of the Declaration of Independence. And he said this. He said, when the people are afraid of the government, that's tyranny. Here we go. When people are afraid of the government, that's tyranny. But when the government is afraid of the people, that's liberty. And so that's Thomas Jefferson. Some of the headlines that I wanted to go through, and this is regarding Jimmy Kimmel. The Daily Wire reported that Disney caves, apparently a number of Disney... ...
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And so but then the next headline is that Sinclair, the broadcast group, says that they don't want to air Jimmy Kimmel. And I think that they can do that as well. And so this is this is messy. And I'm working to get my brain around this whole issue. One other headline before we get to our next guest, and they are blaming this on Trump, but it is really because of the radical activist policies of the Colorado governor, this Colorado legislature. But this was reported by CBS News Colorado that Colorado is teetering on the edge of a recession. And that was Mike Faradino, the executive director of the governor's Office of State Planning and Budget, says that the state has a 50-50 chance of going into recession. And this is the reasons that he said he's going to blame it on tariffs, immigration policy, and federal spending. And, of course, tariffs is over on the federal side. But immigration policy by this governor and the mayor of Denver, they have to own what they have done and how much money they've spent on illegal immigration. And we've got to cut federal spending. And it was never the proper role of government that the federal government would be taxing all of us and borrowing from our children to give money to the states. That was never supposed to happen. And so we are, as Trump is working to get government back into its proper role, we at the county, local or the local jurisdictions, county and state level, need to get government back into its proper role as well. And one of the ways is to stop the money flow. And so, again, this is another important, important, important issue, and that is to stop the money. And it is important that we engage in conversations, obviously. And the Arapahoe County Republican Party is going to have a great conversation with Laura Logan. And we have Debbie Perry-Smith on the line. She's one of the organizers. Debbie, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. What an incredible segue into this topic. That was perfect.
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Awesome. I'm glad you appreciate that. So tell us what is going on regarding the upcoming event.
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Well, really excited. Rappahoe County is very excited to bring to your listening audience. Laura Logan, The Tip of the Spear, Lincoln Day Dinner, Thursday, October 2nd. It's one week from this Thursday. We are just thrilled to bring the remarkable journalist award-winning course award correspondent to Arapahoe County. And please know that everyone is invited. Her message is not just for Arapahoe County. It's for the entire state. It's for the nation. And I really believe that together, if you're in the room with her on October 2nd, you are going to walk away and have your own Isaiah 6 moment of, Lord, here I am, send me. Her topics are going to be very much about what you were just speaking about. We're going to be talking about the election issues, about immigration, and about family rights. I mean, everything, what's been going on down at the state capitol with House Bill 1312 and how rights have been um, assaulted appearance all across the state. And, you know, we've got people coming in that are being impacted by these kinds of decisions. We have people coming in from Archuleta County, from Southwestern Colorado. We even have somebody from Texas coming in for this event to see and be with community, to be with like-minded people that are ready to put their boots on and get going. And I think this is going to be a great evening of just, we have incredible, incredible meal plans, uh, just community getting together, uh, And just really solidifying our resolve that we're not going to let Colorado, Arapahoe County go down the tubes. It's time for us to take back, you know, take back one of our big counties on the front range, turn it, you know, make it great again.
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Well, and Debbie, it's been really interesting as we are in this whole free speech discussion now. And this is foundational to America because freedom of speech is first and foremost in the Bill of Rights. And what has happened is the speech of many people. conservatives and Republicans has been shut down because there has been protests or threats to venues where events are being held. And so what has then happened is many times the venue is not publicized until closer to the event. What kind of information are you giving out regarding this event, which will be on Thursday, October 2nd?
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The very same thing, Kim. We are holding that tight to the vest. We are very cognizant of security, and that will not be released to anyone but to ticket holders a couple of days prior to the event. So, you know, we still have to be mindful. Our security is utmost, and we're going to do that. But, you know, the show will go on, and we have a very good, very intentional security plan in place. So everyone can rest assured that it will be just a stress-free evening for sure.
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Okay.
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And how much are tickets? Okay. Tickets start at $125, and that gets you your beautiful dinner in the door, general admission seats. We are reserving those tables if someone wants to purchase a table and put a table together, you know, if you make your payment for your table all in, you know, in one transaction. then we are most happy to put your table together. And it's just exciting to see the response that we've gotten and really would like to extend the invitation beyond the borders of Arapahoe County because I think the message that Laura's going to bring to us and especially, and I just need everybody to know, she's a lovely woman. And when you make the point about journalism, I had a conversation with her talking about just that one of her goals is, and she's working with what's called the Press Club of America, It'll be a home for independent journalists, not like yourself, and built on principles and the standards of the past and just creating a foundation for media moving forward. She's a truth teller, just like you, Kim. I mean, she is passionate about her work and wants to do the right thing and set up a platform for journalists that feel the way that she does. Excellent.
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Excellent. So how can people buy tickets? Yeah. How can people buy tickets, Debbie?
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Yeah, they can get their tickets. They go to Arapahoe Republicans. That's A-R-A-P-A-H-O-E Republicans.org. And the ticket is right there on the homepage. And then there is a purchase tickets tab where you just click purchase tickets and off you go. And again, three different levels. We have the 125 general admission in the door. We have a silver, which actually gives you a Substack subscription to Laura's Going Road with Laura Logan. And then the gold tickets, which are 400 individual, will get you a private reception with Laura, photo op, the couple of bottles of wine on your table, if you like, as well as Laura Logan's Substack subscription as well. So we're really very, very excited. As I can tell you, we've been working hard. I have a great team we've been working with for the last couple of months. And to bring someone of the caliber of Laura Logan to Colorado, you know, she's not unfamiliar. She was one of the first ones to interview Tina Peters. Right back after her home and Sharona Bishop's homes were raided by the FBI on the West Slope. And unfortunately, because of the circumstances of what happened with the homes being raided, Laura was not able to air, did not air at that time, you know, her interview. So unfortunately, She's unfamiliar with that. She's reported on the cartel. She's reported on the family rights, you know, even, you know, the trafficking. I mean, she is an up to the minute journalist. And I know that, yeah, she's going to charge us to get out there, get your boots on. And if you're sitting on the fence and need, you know, need a shot in the arm regarding this and just kind of. She's the one to do it. Yeah. She's the one. Yeah, definitely. What's that website again? Again, it's arapahoberepublicans.org. Okay. And you can probably even just Google, yeah, Republican Party Lincoln Day Dinner and get to the website as well.
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Okay. Well, Debbie, I know that you are a pro at putting together great events, so I wish you and your team great success on this.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you so much for having me, Kim. I appreciate it. And we just look forward to having everyone. If you want to know more about Laura Logan, go to lauralogan.com. And you'll know where she was on 60 Minutes, CBS, Fox Nation. Lately, you know, she's hosted Katie Hopkins. She knows about all the stuff that's gone on. She just recently interviewed Christina Bob as well, which is interesting about the details of the Mar-a-Lago raid. So really just excited to have everyone. And I would say, too, Kim, if anybody has questions, they can email the team at chipofthespear2025 at gmail.com. Okay. Chipofthespear2025 at gmail.
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And again, Jody Henze and her team are doing an amazing job. I wanted to go back here for just a little bit regarding this headline that I teased. that CBS News says that Colorado is teetering on a recession. And Mike Ferrandino, the executive director of the governor's Office of State Planning and Budgeting, is blaming tariffs, immigration policy, and federal spending. And the immigration policy, certainly that is the policies of this governor and of the mayor of Denver. They need to be responsible for that. Welcoming, as they welcomed all of these people to our city and our state who had come here illegally and then taking all kinds of money. As Pam Long has said, we need to talk about the word theft. So stealing really the money of hardworking Coloradans to push those policies. And then what happened is the Donald Trump administration said, we're not going to be giving federal money to these cities with these sanctuary policies, right? We need to back up, first of all, and be talking about the proper role of government. And this was never the proper role of the federal government. The federal government was not to be taking on debt, which means that our citizens children and our grandchildren who have no say in taking on that debt, but taking on that debt for policies to push these government grants to states, counties, and local level. We need to have representatives at the local, the county, and the state level that are responsible for the decisions that they make and not be looking to the federal government for federal grants and money like that. And so... The state of Colorado had been depending on a lot of federal money, and the Trump administration said, we're going to stop that. Well, that has created a big hole in the state budget, and so then what is happening is these PBIs, these politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties, are now looking to businesses, everyday people, to make up that budget deficit that they had. In the special session... They picked the pockets of the Colorado businesses and individuals to the tune of probably $250 million. Then with great fanfare, the governor said that he was cutting some spending, about $250 million and change. Still doesn't address the shortfall. And so what really needs to happen, is that they need to cut spending. But they want to blame some of this on tariffs, which that may very well be. But I would say that these other policies are really the main thing. Of course, they're going to want to blame Trump and everything that they possibly can. Another headline. This is from the Daily Wire. It says Google promises change after abuse list labeled GOP emails dangerous. Now, this again, we're talking about freedom of speech. Here is a major corporation, big business business. Big government like each other, as you can see, and says Google is promising the Trump administration that it will end a practice that led to Republican fundraising emails being flagged as dangerous spam, according to a letter obtained by the Daily Wire. The commitment comes after Federal Trade Commission Chairman Andrew Ferguson pressed Google over reports that his platform was filtering emails from Republican fundraising platform WinRed as spam while not applying the same scrutiny to the Democrat platform ActBlue. Google pinned the blame for the labeling on its partnership with a third-party company and committed to no longer using that company's spam list, according to a Friday letter to Ferguson obtained by the Daily Wire. I have to ask why we've got our servers that are determining what is spam. I think that we need to be able to do that ourselves. Then the next headline, this is huge. This is from Newsmax. It says Trump ties autism risk to acetaminophen and scientists urge caution. And so RFK Jr. and what what he is doing over at with the Maha movement to make America healthy again. is really upsetting the cart regarding pharmaceuticals. So stay tuned on this. It said that President Trump has urged pregnant women not to take acetaminophen pain relievers like Tylenol over hotly debated link between the med and autism. Same time, he urged major changes to the standard vaccines given to babies. So we will continue those discussions as we continue to watch this light-breaking headline. The show comes to you because of our sponsors. Hooters Restaurants is a great sponsor of both the Kim Monson Show and America's Veterans Stories. How I Got to Know Them, important story about freedom, free markets, and capitalism. And PBIs, Politicians, Bureaucrats, and Interested Parties that are bent on controlling our lives. 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And then the next headline here, this is from The Hill, and it goes on a little bit more regarding, it says, Trump suggests changes to childhood vaccine schedule based on what I feel. Now, they are going to go after him big time on, they're going to say that that is not science, which that's... That probably isn't something that scientists would say, that I'm just going to make this recommendation on what I feel. But I know that he has probably been talking with RFK Jr., and sometimes Trump could use different words, I think. But anyway, the Hill goes on to say, and the Hill tends to, on their journalism, lean to the left, and you can see that. Anyway, this is what the Hill said. It said President Trump on Monday gave personal suggestions on how and when parents should have children receive certain vaccines, offering advice that he said was based on his own feelings during a press event that claimed links between Tylenol vaccinations and autism. He says, we want no mercury in the vaccine. We want no aluminum in the vaccine. The MMR, I think, should be taken separately, Trump said, referring to the vaccine for measles, mumps, and rubella. I totally agree with him. I think that science actually also backs this up, but they're going to go after him because he's saying this is just what he feels. And he said this, he said, this is based on what I feel, the mumps, measles, and the three should be taken separately. And it seems to be that when you mix them, there could be a problem. So there's no downside in taking them separately. In fact, they think it's better, so let it be separate. And in all of the years as we've had discussions with different scientists, different researchers, is that putting all of these vaccines into a little baby's body at the same time really doesn't make sense. And so to separate them out just makes a lot of sense. My understanding is, is with vaccine intake and doctors and the vaccine manufacturers is they want to try to do all these vaccines at the same time because they said that it's more difficult to get parents to come back for the other vaccines. I think ultimately we've got to be focused on what is best for the child instead of what is best for the vaccine maker. And I need to get Pam Long on again, I think, to ask this question. She has said that many times doctors have been incentivized by pharmaceutical companies regarding vaccine intake and then also that doctors may be incentivized by pharmaceuticals for prescribing different pharmaceuticals as well. We've got to change all of that for sure. And so Pam has really been shedding a lot of light on that. Another thing I'd like to talk a little bit about is her piece that we published this weekend. And it's how Colorado conservatives can unite with unaffiliated voters. And certainly I think that this is advice that could be used on the national platform as well. And that is, I really say that we need to move our language and our messaging to be able to engage in conversations, which is what Charlie Kirk did so well. And this is difficult because I was having a conversation with somebody I'm very close to. And as we were going down this conversation, I realized that... First of all, her information was a lot of information that was coming in that I had questions about. But I realized that I did not have enough information to actually challenge that. So I need to go back to understanding the issue in a much broader context. So that was the first thing. The second thing is, is this belief by people that if 51% of people vote for it, that that is democracy. Well, that is democracy, but democracy actually moves to mob rule. So we also have to be asking the questions of what is the proper role of government. So if 51% of the people vote to steal theft via taxes or fees from their neighbor, that is democracy. However, the founders realized that that was going to be a major problem because people could vote to take away other people's property rights. And property rights are inherent in the American idea. So hence, then we move over to the proper role of government. And that's why coming out of Constitution Week, again, I'll say congratulations to Grand Lake U.S. Constitution Week for voting. really great events. That is why the Constitution is so important because it was put in place to keep the federal government in its proper role. Now, in the 10th Amendment, everything that's not in the Constitution is reserved to the states and to the people. And so that doesn't mean that the states get to walk all over people's property rights, their individual rights as well, because 51 or 50 percent plus one would vote to do that. But we need and we have gotten so far off the rails in Colorado at the local, the county and the state level, which is taking away people's everyday people's individual property rights. And so this discussion that we need to have regarding the proper role of government, that democracy is really mob rule, it's 50% plus one. So we're going to have a question on the ballot this November, which is Proposition MM, and it's healthy school meals for children. First of all, the title. I think we all want children to have healthy meals. But when we talk to Trent Luce, who defines what healthy meals are? What's that going to look like? That is just a great title to encourage people to to vote for this. But it's based on a progressive income tax, which would be taxing earners who make more than $300,000 a year. And of course, I think $300,000 a year sounds like a lot of money, but that's not wealthy. But and the other thing is, is these things are sold to tax somebody else. Ultimately, though, those taxes will come down to you because there will never be enough money for these government programs. And we'll be delving into this more. So we have to have the character and the virtue to say we want our laws to be impartial. If, in fact, we want to tax people for healthy school meals for children, which I would submit is not the proper role of government, but if we want to do that, then everybody has to be taxed impartially, equally. There needs to be equity in that taxation. And if we do not, as individuals, as Americans, realize that we want to be treated impartially, although it's human nature to say, hey, tax that guy for something that I might want to take from your neighbor, you might not go over and knock on your neighbor's door and say, hey, give me more of your money. but people are more than willing many times, human nature, to have government go knock on that door and take a neighbor's money for a program that interested parties might be interested in. So we're in the third founding of our country. Are we going to keep these principles of freedom of speech and to not steal? Well, those are the important questions that we certainly are asking. And so a couple of things, as you know, wanted to mention the Center for American Values, which is one of the nonprofits that I dearly love. They are located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. And I'd highly recommend to to go down there. And it's a very reverent place with the portraits of valor of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients. Drew Dix, who is one of the co-founders of the center, has also started a podcast series. He has a myriad of experiences, and his perspective is really one of wisdom. And so check that out. You can find that at AmericanValueCenter.org. That's AmericanValueCenter.org. And they're just doing great work down there. And again, they're nonpolitical, nonpartisan, just focused on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And we have these discussions because of all of your great support. We're an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity. And John Bozen and Bozen Law is another one of those great sponsors.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter while you're there. And you can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. And the text line I would love to hear from you is 720-605-0647. That's 720-605-0647. And a question coming in on the text line is, will the speeches at Constitution Week be up in Grand Lake be available online. I am checking their YouTube channel, and I do see some of them. I know that they will be, but I will get more information about that for you so that we will know about that. Also, the USMC Memorial Foundation is a nonprofit that I dearly love. And Paula Sarles and her team, Paula is the president of the Marine Foundation, is raising the money to take care of the Marine Memorial and to raise the money. for the remodel. And you can help them. You can buy a brick to honor your loved one's military service and great Christmas or Hanukkah gift, which is, I can't believe it, but that's right around the corner. So that's something that you certainly might consider. And you can do that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And also the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. We are in the proofing stage of our ratings report. It is an extensive report, so we will be getting that published here very soon. But it is a monumental piece of work to take a look at all of the legislation that is, well... We look at the legislation that is proposed and then through our lens of protecting the taxpayer, which that is all of us, and property rights, protecting TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights. and parental rights school choice, we take a look at that and then we will then take positions on bills that affect that. And there were 768 bills or resolutions that were proposed this legislative session. We took positions on 273 of those. That is including the special session. And it's a monumental piece of work by all volunteers, but it's a great service to the people of Colorado. We'd love to have you join us. It's just $25, and that's about $2.08 a month, and that's less than most cups of coffee these days. But when you see these folks, say thank you to them. They're my fellow board members, and that is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. When you see these folks, be sure and say thank you. And you can join us by going to coloradotaxpayer.org, coloradotaxpayer.org. As I mentioned, I'm very concerned about freedom of speech and how the, and this is actually was started before the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And so we're going to connect some dots here, the governor of Utah. which is Spencer Cox, and this is on his official website. He says, disagree better, healthy conflict for better policy. He said, disagreeing better isn't just about being nicer to one another. It's about finding a way to disagree that moves us towards solutions rather than deepening divides. Okay, that sounds good. He says, the reality is clear. Most Americans are tired of the gridlock and bickering. He said the exhausted majority craves a new approach, and research shows that there are proven methods to reduce polarization. As doers and builders, governors, and he then is working with the governor's associations, are in a unique position to model what healthy conflict looks like. The Disagree Better initiative, which I started during my time as chair of the National Governors Association, looks at the problems of polarization, elevates the solutions that groups around the country are already implementing, and features governors showing what disagreeing better looks like. Through public debates, service projects, and public service announcements, Americans are seeing a more positive and optimistic way of working through our problems. He said that we know that conflict resolution takes work and involves difficult conversations. It's much easier to sow division than to persuade or find solutions. But we also know that no one ever changed someone's mind by attacking them. Through healthy conflict, we're confident that we can find common ground and improve our families, our communities, and our nation. Together, we can disagree better. And that's Utah Governor Spencer Cox. There's that's all a lot of very nice words that can be very attractive to people. There is a however, and nowhere in there is he acknowledging foundational truths. Nowhere is he acknowledging the the value of the individual. Nowhere is he acknowledging that there are some ideas that are good ideas and some ideas are bad ideas. Instead, we should be encouraging searching for truth and clarity, searching for foundational truth, foundational principles, going back and understanding the vision of our declaration. and what they meant, that all men are created equal. So if we are not coming at these discussions agreeing that all men are created equal and saying that some are created that were unequal and that therefore we need to take from some and give to others, then that gets to theft. And most people can agree that theft is not a good idea. So these, I think, are flowery words. So then I'm going to back this up and connect a dot for you. And that is to go to the dignity page. project. And this is the Dignity Index. So this goes to, again, flowery words. Our disagreements aren't causing the divisions in our country. It's what we do when we disagree. Do we treat the other side with dignity or do we treat them with contempt? I'll tell you, the founders, as they were really, in many ways, almost duking it out, that on these foundational principles, They disagreed vehemently on many things. But ultimately, if you have this vision that you're working towards, that all men are created equal and they all have rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, that's where we need to agree to protect that. So this goes on. It says they created this dignity index to show us the difference on our disagreements and says to learn more about the principles of dignity and how they can be applied in our families, communities, workplaces and country. Check out the dignity index. This is something that probably could get to a social credit score. So this is danger, danger. So the next thing that I wanted to hit, and connecting this particular dot, and that is Turning Point USA. They are at quite a position right now with the assassination of Charlie Kirk. They're going to have tremendous growing pains and tremendous... um, challenges on how to manage all of this because so many people are stepping forward. I heard that there's a thousands of people that have reached out to check out starting a chapter at their high school or their college. So this is again from the Hill and it says Turning Point USA will return to campuses with a lineup of conservative stars. And there's some that you would certainly recognize. Michael Knowles over at the Daily Wire is one of those. But as I went down through the list, it'll be Knowles and Erica Kirk, obviously, Virginia Governor Glenn Yonkin. A Turning Point USA contributor, Alex Clark. Senator Mike Lee, Republican, Utah. Now, Utah Governor Spencer Cox, Republican. He's the guy over here regarding this dignity index. And so I think that Turning Point USA is really going to have to watch the principles. Certainly Charlie Kirk wanted to have a conversation, but his principles were so solid. He so understood the principles. And so we need to make sure that we understand these principles. And Turning Point USA is going to need to make sure that their facilitators understand all these principles as well. So, yes, we want to have a conversation, but it's very difficult to have a conversation with someone that believes in the theft of taking from one person to give to another. And so this is this speech. Freedom of speech is really important. uh i will be out of the studio gonna have some um guest hosts and next monday uh jonathan turley unless he gets pulled away for fox news we'll be talking with brad beck about speech and he at jonathan truly will address this um and it was a decision that that is used all that or it's a comment that's used all the time that you can't yell fire in a theater. And actually, Jonathan Turley said that that statement, I think, by a Supreme Court justice was, I don't know, struck down, but that it didn't hold the muster for speech. And so that's going to be a really interesting conversation. So we need to continue to have conversations, but encourage people towards these principles. So Thomas Jefferson said this, he said, if we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, It is the responsibility of every American to be informed. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let's have a conversation.
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Indeed. Let's have a conversation. And welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You're each treasured. You're valued. You have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And it looks like it's going to be a rainy day. As a daughter of a farmer, I never complain about rain. And so it's going to be a beautiful day with a lot of life-giving rain today. So thank you, Lord, for that. Also, thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. We'll talk with Susan Harris the last segment of this hour. She lives in Phoenix now, and she watched the complete show. services for Charlie Kirk. I was not able to watch them because I was driving down the mountain from Grand Lake U.S. Constitution Week. And so we'll really be interested in getting her perspective. And one of you texted and wanted to know if Grand Lake U.S. Constitution Week Is there a way to access the speakers? And I will get information for you. I see they have past speakers there. They have Rob Nadelson from this year. So maybe things have not been totally uploaded. So I will check on that and get an answer for you. So let me make a note on that so I don't forget. And we'll have that answer for you tomorrow. There we go. Okay, got that. Our word of the day is Nexus. And it is spelled N-E-X-U-S. And it could be a means of connection, a link or a tie. Number two, a connected series or group. And number three, the core or center. And Gammy had texted me. A couple of things. She said the global one world order is the nexus of evil and control over all of us. And then she also sent because I was talking about Trump and RFK Jr. regarding these vaccines for our children. And she sent this says this from a book, What the Pharmaceutical Companies Don't Want You to Know About Vaccines by Dr. Todd M. Eisner. And it goes through a number of things that you would not really probably want to put into your children if you knew that. And then at the bottom, it's got two little mice. And one mouse says, are you getting the COVID-19 vaccine? And the other mouse says, no, I'll wait for the human trials to finish first. And so this whole discussion, because of RFK Jr. as president, the Secretary of Health and Human Services. This is really, really important stuff. And I saw a headline, though. I think that Colorado was going to double down on the current CD schedule for children, the vaccine schedule. And so in the Dignity Index report, how do you have a conversation with a PBI that believes that they have the, uh, that they can force you to put something into your body that you don't want to. And it really comes down to the freedom versus force force versus freedom. And then Mark and black forest, uh, texted something over as I was talking about speech and theft and force and this whole dignity index on having conversations with dignity. But what if the other side wants to use the government force to take and do things? And so this is a great message from Mark. He said, the best way to resolve conflict is to identify force versus freedom, then eliminate the force. Theft is force. Well done, Mark in Black Forest. And I think that's I'm pretty sure that's his. I try to reckon if you don't put your name on this on the text line when you text in. I don't know for sure who sent that text, but I think that was Mark in Black Forest. Our quote of the day is. comes from Thomas Jefferson. And Thomas Jefferson was our third president. He was an American founding father born in 1743, died on July 4, 1826, 50 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed, and John Adams died on the same day. And Jefferson said this, he said, when the people are afraid of the government, that's tyranny. But when the government is afraid of the people, that's liberty. And so the Constitution was put in place to keep the federal government within its proper role. But that does not mean that local and county and state governments can get out of control and walk all over people's rights. Now, there's so many things that are given to the states and to the people. The Tenth Amendment says whatever is not addressed in the Constitution is reserved for the states and for the people. But we have to remember the people, we the people, we have a responsibility to on how we govern ourselves. We have abdicated that. We've been, I think, very fat and happy on these fumes of freedom. And there's been those that have been more than happy to step up and get involved in local government, county and state government. And they've been more than happy to take other people's rights via really theft, using government to take other people's rights and their property. And we are in the third founding of our country, and we must engage in this battle of ideas. But in these conversations, we must have our foundational principles. We must understand those. And once we do, then we can engage in conversations that are respectful because we understand them. And somebody that engages in conversations on a regular basis in his business is John Bozen with Bozen Law. He engages with clients and also will take a case to trial if need be, which is a conversation as well. John Bozen, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. I like that. We're fat and happy on the fumes of freedom and couldn't be more true. Too many folks just don't engage, don't participate. Right.
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Well, and with the tragedy of Charlie Kirk, that someone who was not a politician, someone that was just having a conversation, going into the bastion of indoctrination, which is many of our colleges and universities, sitting down, having conversations, say, prove me wrong. But he, John, he understood the principles. And those that think that just because I have an idea that that deserves the same respect as a foundational principle, that's where I think that we've gotten off track a bit is because not all ideas are equal. Some ideas are better than others.
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Now, learned a lot about Charlie in the last week or so. And what I learned and what I didn't understand, but I guess what I knew inherently was he educated himself. He didn't go to college, but he educated himself. He studied. He read. He knew his stuff, which is why he was so able to engage so effectively with folks that had bad ideas. And 31 courses, I think, that president of Hillsdale College said that he took, you know, online. That's amazing. But then his friends and others talking about how he read incessantly and just was always questioning those that he met, those that he admired, and he'd interview them. He'd follow up with dialogue and questions. He was always learning, always exploring, always looking for the truth, finding the truth, and then willing to debate and engage and pass that truth on, do as best as he could to pass that truth on to others.
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So John Bozen, my dad, and this had been a big aha for me, is my dad said, we each have 24 hours in a day, and we choose what to do with that. And when we've had all these discussions about equity and equality, I realize that the equality or the equity is that we each have 24 hours in a day and that we decide what we're going to do with that. And dusting off books, reading books, is something that people really need to do. Now, I certainly read a lot of news articles, and I've not read... a book really in a while because of all the work that we're doing. But I did get Jonathan Turley's book when I was up in Grand Lake, a U.S. Constitution week. He signed it. And his book is The Indispensable Right, Free Speech in an Age of Rage. And I'm going to dust off books. And so I'm reading that. So basics. But I wanted to get over here, though. We're talking about basics in conversations, basics in life. What are the basics that people need to know if they've been injured?
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Yes, my area of expertise and practice. So important when someone gets involved in any kind of an accident where there's been an injury to themselves, to a loved one, to a friend, if they're present when this stuff happens, is to kind of just gather as much information. It can be with pictures. It can be talking with people. I tell folks, look, if you're in a motor vehicle collision and you're able, take pictures of the scene. Talk to people that come up to check on you to see if you're okay. Get names. Get phone numbers. It's so important to lock down what happened and why it happened, if possible. And sometimes it's not possible. Sometimes not. If someone's involved in an accident, their head is not there or they're not even conscious necessarily. But if possible, to lock down as much as you can about the accident scene and others that witnessed and saw it getting their information, preferably a name, a phone number, so they can be contacted by me or one of the other lawyers after the fact, get statements. Because the first... Well, health is the first and most important thing. So after an accident, I encourage people, look, if you have anything, any little sensation or feeling that wasn't there before the accident, go to the ER, go to urgent care, get checked out. Make sure you're going to be, you know, you're okay. Second thing, though, is, again, if you're able or others with you are able to Get information at the scene. Take pictures, talk with people, get names and phone numbers. Because liability is often where claims fail because people don't get the necessary information on the front end. Don't take pictures. Don't talk to people. And then those stories of others that may have been the ones responsible for the accident or at fault for the accident, they change. Sometimes they change because insurance companies get involved. And I'll kind of leave that at there. You can take that where you think it's going to go because it's true. It happens. So very important just to, you know, whatever information can be obtained or documented at a scene, pictures of the ice on the sidewalk out front of the restaurant. pictures of the automobiles and how they're aligned after the accident, getting the name of a witness that saw the accident, that can testify, that can document that the other driver came through a red light. These kind of basic things. And we can go into much more depth, but we don't have another half an hour.
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And then the other thing is to call John Bozen and Bozen Law. What's that number?
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Oh, it's so important to talk to me or one of our other senior lawyers as soon as possible. That number for a free conversation, and often I'll just get folks in to talk to them in person, is 303-999-9999.
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John Bozen, Bozen Law, 303-999-9999. We'll talk next week.
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Kim, have a great rest of your show.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And do you want more financial freedom? We talk about freedom all the time. Well, call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. They're an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, and they always put your interests first. Mint means more than money. It stands for a meaningful relationship. information sharing, a network of smart strategies, and a thoughtful advisor who puts you in control. No cookie cutter plans, everything tailored to you. So call them. That number is 303-285-3080. That's Mint Financial Strategies, 303-285-3080. And we're in for a really great conversation with Dom Giordano. He is a longtime Philadelphia-based radio talk show host, and he's launched a new weekly podcast devoted to exploring America's politically charged education system with a focus on protecting the rights of parents to engage in school choice and select the best school for their child. The show features a blend of commentary and from Giordano and the hottest aspects of the evolving issues, plus other leaders. It's called Old School, New School, Next School. Dom Giordano, welcome to the show.
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Well, Kim, thank you very much. And let me say that's one of the greatest introductions I've ever gotten. And for the podcast. Thank you.
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Well, awesome, because you've been in talk radio for a long time, so you understand all the moving parts that happens with talk radio, yes?
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Yes, exactly, yes. It's only 37 years, but who's counting?
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Dom, I've never been to Philadelphia, and I love our history. And that is on my bucket list to do one of these days because it's where so much of our founding occurred. So I'm going to come to Philadelphia one of these days.
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Oh, please do it, and we'll have you in studio, and we'll give you some insider tips. I have been to Denver a couple of times. And I love Denver. I mean, one was an extended period of time. My brother was there. So you feel like you're healthier when you're in Denver. I don't know if that's day to day or not. The time I was there, I did.
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It used to be. Right now, because of public policy, which is something that you talk about on a regular basis, this Denver that I dearly love is really, it's dirty and it's dangerous and it's in a downward spiral right now. And so we're working to reclaim that and reclaim Colorado. And parental rights is so important. So tell us about your podcast, Old School, New School, Next School.
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Well, Kim, first of all, I got into this business by being a former teacher that did unusual things to motivate completely unmotivated students, saying they were sophomores. I have not read a book ever in school, and I'm not going to. So I came up with incentives, rewards, wild stuff, half-price transmission job and all that. And that transitioned me. I got discovered in talk radio. And since I've been in talk radio, this issue comes up. You just had a spot about freedoms. Is there any more basic freedom than to give the average parent, and by extension their kids, the right to make a choice about a school that's going to suit their needs, particularly, I'm sure Denver, I know what you mean, I've seen them there, has schools that are non-performing. In Philadelphia, we have schools for the last five, six years at least that we've been looking at it, where zero kids are proficient in reading or math by a very low standard that's tested and statewide. And yet they still roll on. The superintendent is getting a new contract to go to 2030, as I'm speaking. So there's only one thing to do to have choice, school choice. It could be homeschooling, cyber. It could be charter schools. I don't know if it's on your radar, Tim, but the other day in New York, last Wednesday, because of Madami, the socialist, maybe communist, who looks like he'll be mayor. He's threatened the charter school system there, which is pretty vast, and they're trying to curtail it. 15,000 parents and kids walked over the Brooklyn Bridge in protest, and the big speaker was Common, the rapper, who runs some charter schools. Andre Agassi has charter schools. Pitbull in Miami has charter schools. We're winning on this issue. It's slow. It would seem to me your governor... in Colorado might be someone persuadable. He has national aspirations, I think. And with the big, beautiful bill, there's a provision in there where the governor of each state will make a decision to accept free money or not. It doesn't take away from the public schools. In fact, it would give them some. So I'm not sure if your guy would do that. Josh Shapiro, who's a national political aspirant, I don't think is going to do that. There's going to be a firestorm.
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So, Dom Giordano, one of the things I'm so uncomfortable with is the federal government and these grants and giving money away. And of course, I love the idea of supporting charter schools and money certainly talks. But I'm uncomfortable with all of these grants. And I know I've talked to many of the homeschool advocates out here in Colorado. They've been concerned about taking government money because they're concerned then from a homeschool standpoint that once you take that money, then you start to be beholden to the people that give it to you. So what's your thoughts about that, Dom?
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Okay. Well, I think that's a fair point, and I would answer it this way. In New Jersey, even though the homeschoolers there are not getting money, it's making a lot of news, they're coming after them to say, when you homeschool, you have to do certain procedures around climate, DEI, et cetera. And that's one of the reasons why homeschoolers don't want to be indoctrinated. So whether you take the money or not, they're going to come after you if they want to come after you. The other way that I look at it is this. The money should not follow the teachers' unions and the schools. We're going to allocate money for education. it ought to follow the child vis-a-vis the parent making that decision. So that's why I believe that the voucher system is just one modality that will work and level the playing field and hopefully make the public schools better, or if they're not better, then they're going to be curtailed greatly. But I do like what you said. The charter school is something that brings more people to the party as a choice since it is a public school.
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So one thing, and I had been very involved in a school board election in Douglas County back, I think it was in 2017. And Douglas County is considered a more conservative county here in the metro area. And lots of things, you know, politics is a crazy thing, Dom, but a lot of things happened. And the I would say the more conservative candidates lost and the radical activists were like they then got a majority on the Douglas County School Board. And one of the things that was so important about that race is there was a Supreme Court case regarding school choice, regarding vouchers. And what I realized is the word vouchers had been somewhat demonized. And also one of the arguments towards charter schools was that there was not that it wasn't fair because there wasn't public transportation that every child could have access to that charter school. So what would you say to that? Because you probably have heard that argument as well.
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Oh, yeah, Kim, I hear it all the time. And this is just the argument of placing one more hurdle there. I would come back to the fact we are in an emergency. We are in a crisis that's unbelievable. With the failure of the public schools, particularly post-COVID, we spent, as you know and your listeners, billions and billions of dollars, hundreds of billions potentially, and they did not take that money and do what they should have done, which is intense one-on-one or small group tutoring. They blew the money as you knew they would. And they kept kids out of school. So as a result of that kids that were not doing well before in these non-performing schools, we have even a more massive problem that continues until today. So what I would say is, again, we can negotiate some of the finer points of this, but the basic on this is there's gotta be a path for parents to get out of these schools. And the number, it's starting to close in. It's not just academics anymore. It's safety, bullying, violence in schools. I've taught in some schools like that in Philadelphia. Parents want a choice that neighborhood school, that there are some public schools in Philadelphia, I'm sure in Denver, that are high performing or great. And they're politically connected. People get in there by that means. The average neighborhood school is both non-performing and also violent. usually not a safe space. That's just not me. It's people that look at the metrics of this. So I realize these things seem difficult, vouchers, et cetera, for people. But that's the only way that we're going to break out of this cycle. And if these parents don't have that resource, and again, we can negotiate the finer points on this, then they are going to be stuck and their kid is not going to make it. without extraordinary help later on. They will not make it.
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Dom, I want to continue the conversation. We're talking with Philadelphia radio show host Dom Giordano regarding his podcast, Old School, New School, Next School. We have a responsibility to our children to fix this problem. The idea that children can be graduating and they can't read and write and do arithmetic and is, first of all, unconscionable. But then all the money that is being spent on, I have this in air quotes, education and is such an important discussion. We get to have all these discussions because of our sponsors, and so pleased to have the Second Syndicate as a sponsor. They're bringing all these voices together to stand for our right to keep and bear firearms to protect ourselves and our families against bad actors. And that... That's really under attack here in Colorado with this legislature and with this governor. And so love the fact that Lisa Garcia and Teddy Collins are bringing these voices together and they really could use your support.
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Yeah, and Kim, use your influence along with mine. I'm on the trail to get some of them on. Common is the one that was very contemporary, too, that related to the 15,000 people. Pitbull is in Miami. And he apparently is involved with several charter schools. That's a big name. Andre Agassiz is in Vegas, the tennis player. And Jalen Rose, who was part of the Fab Five of Michigan, then a sports media personality, pretty provocative, he's on the side of the charter schools. And what this is telling us is, and these guys have said it in various interviews, they're in black and brown neighborhoods, minority neighborhoods, And they're seeing that the public schools, by and large, are never, we could throw a trillion dollars at it, going to succeed because of the model. And they see in the charter, you know, each charter school usually has a particular theme of interest. My son went to one in Philadelphia for a while. He's in communications. What else? You know, like me, he follows. And that intrigued him. And what it does is close to the rest of the studies. We all know if you have a grabber there, and it can't just be sports for every kid, something to have a stake in with the school, then you're going to see movement towards something good. And a lot of these charter schools are tapping into that. Plus, there's much more parental involvement with this. So people will come up with a hurdle then, Tom, and say – well, you mean all the parents who are not as involved don't care as much are going to be in the public school? And my response is I feel for that kid. But should we hold millions of kids hostage because some parents don't want to do what other parents with some help, like charter schools, are willing to do? We have some in Philadelphia, mass charter schools or mass STEM. They have a lottery every year because they have 8,000 or 9,000 kids one way or the other on the waiting list. They have a thousand in the school. Doesn't that tell us something that people want these choices? And if they're not good, parents will vote with their feet. They'll go out of business. It's a perfect model. So the charter school might be the best model versus the vouchers. But both of these are heavily, it's telling us something when these entrepreneurial entertainers and others, these people are entrepreneurs too, like Pitbull, They're recognizing the value of this, and they see one of the best things they can do for their community. You just mentioned it. In New York with Mondami, maybe another 100,000 kids won't be able to read by the time they get through the system. Why in the world would he attack charter schools? It's one thing, too, we can duke it out over the voucher thing. That's a tell, though. If you're against the charter school, you're really against it. parental rights. That's what this comes down to.
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Okay, so Dom Giordano, I'm going to ask you this question, very subjective. Why would we have teachers unions and other organizations that basically connect the dots, do not want young children to be able to read and write and do arithmetic?
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Well, when you take a look at my experience, first of all, as a long-term teacher, I saw up close and personal that teachers were not activists in the way we see some of these union leaders. They were more moderate, apolitical, maybe slightly left or right of center. But I saw the people that were frustrated union leaders that were teachers and got in charge of these things and came to tactics that I had to have a conference with the principal about something. The union leader, who was my representative, said, watch this. I'm going to take candy out of his candy jar, open it up and take it out without being asked. It's called posturance. And I'm sitting there like, that's it? I don't need this type of stuff. So the teachers unions are about power. The former head of the NEA executive director did a very famous speech when he was retiring. saying it's not about that we produce this, that, or the other. We're recognized for one reason. We have power. We can go on strike. And during COVID, they went on strike for such a period of time, it was unconscionable. So, Kim, what are the big unions doing now, AFT and the NEA? Both of them this year said the topic is fascism, not improving reading, math scores. Randy Weingarten has a book out, book tour now. Becky Pringle, secret meetings, and it came out that they were making fascism, organizing kids. It's about Trump, and fascism is the goal this year. So how in the world does that message not get to teachers? This is not about moving America's kids forward. It's about political agenda. And now it's about stopping Hitler or Mussolini, whatever they're saying.
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goodness so dom giordano this this it breaks my heart because making these children basically minions for their political ideology is not the proper role of education we've got to uh so we got to go to the money and and the money has been what's been giving these teachers unions power and charter schools is one of the great ways to have the money follow the children. That makes a lot of sense. Dom, you're doing excellent work. I'm so glad that we got connected. What's the final thought that you'd like to leave with our listeners and how can people find you?
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Yes, they can find me at Talk Radio 1210 in Philadelphia. And I'm on noon to three Eastern time. And Kim, they can find me now. The podcast here, we're really getting a lot of traction in Pennsylvania on this. old school, new school, next school. And I'd encourage them, my emails there, et cetera, to hit me with questions, people they would like to hear. But I am getting close to getting some of the people on that I've mentioned. And I would say we're winning on this. The guesstimate is about a million kids now are involved in school choice across the country, outside the public school charter and the like. And again, the thought I would leave them with Everything is negotiable here. You raised some good points about the voucher system. I get that. What's not negotiable are parental rights. And there's one quick way to get to parental rights. And that means to choose what your kid is going to be learning, the appropriate environment for them. Why would we have people with means and school teachers, but 80% send their kids outside public schools, make those decisions, Kim, and the most desperate caring parents, How in the world do they not have a choice?
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Well, and you're truly on to something. And there's a lot coming in on the text line. I don't think we're going to be able to get to all of that right now, Dom. But let's stay in touch. I'd love to get you on again. The work that you're doing for our children is so important. And the podcast is Old School, New School, Next School. And that is Dom Giordano, who is a radio show host in the Philadelphia area. We'll talk again soon.
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Kim, thank you so much. I mean, it's really, you do a great new brand of talk radio just talking with you today. Thank you, Kim.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That's kimmonson.com. And pleased to have on the line with me, my friend and a great show sponsor, and that is Susan Harris with the Harris family. Susan, welcome to the show. I am well, and I wanted to get your perspective on what is going on in our world today. Unbelievable that Charlie Kirk was killed because he was exercising his freedom of speech and engaging in the battle of ideas. and I was traveling back down from Grand Lake U.S. Constitution Week on Sunday, so I didn't see the service. It was long, but you watched it all. So what's your perspective? What do you think about what's going on?
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I did. It was so interesting, Kim. You know, I'm not really the kind of person that's going to sit down and watch a memorial service of someone I didn't know, even if they were very inspiring and influential in the culture for six hours. So, first of all, I'd just like to say I'm just not that person. You know, I have a busy life just like everyone. And even though this was a significant event in our culture and politically and on many levels, I'm just not the kind of person that would spend six hours watching a service like that. But I did. And I didn't sit down and do it, but I had it on and I was listening and watching it. I can watch from my kitchen. So I was busy still. But I was just amazed at how for six hours... Speaker after speaker, video of Charlie after video of Charlie, and live musical performances, that program was inspiring from start to finish. And not only did we learn a lot about Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA, but we learned a lot about just the entire conservative movement and the things that we know are true but have difficulty putting into words sometimes. And it was just such an amazing experience. And one of the big things that came out of it for me was near the end, you know, Erica, quote, unquote, forgave the assassin. And I think, you know, it was obviously very difficult for her to even say those words. And I've really thought about that. And I think what she meant was she forgives the person, but not the action. And Trump came on after her and spoke and, you know, he just admitted that he's not that good of a person. You know, he can't let bygones be bygones, so to speak. and admitted that, you know, he still hates people. And, you know, it was such a human moment because, of course, it's difficult to imagine that you could forgive that person. And, you know, I just, this whole event highlights that, We must love everyone and that what we have to hate is actual evil and actual behaviors and actual ideas that lead to evil. And we still love, though, the actual people. because they are God's children. No matter who they are, they're still a child of God. And it just really, I think, the whole event made that clear, that we must continue to fight evil and hate the actual evil and recognize it, but that the individual people are not the ones to hate. And, you know, the left has decided to hate the people. that they feel are evil and they feel that that justifies evil behavior. And I think that's what we are witnessing, the difference between those two philosophies of life. And I think we must come down on the side of love. We always love everyone. We want the best for everyone, but we refuse love. to love behaviors that are evil, and we will continue to hate those behaviors and ideas.
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Well, Susan, I think that one of the things that we're seeing is many of our young people, and even I've had conversations regarding relativism, postmodernism, basically does not acknowledge good and evil, And I think that there are many young people that have been taught this yours, your truth, your truth, my truth, my truth. And I and that is that's there's no foundation to that, because not every idea is. is equally valid. But I think kids have been taught that each idea, if they feel like it, that that's valid. And what Charlie, from my understanding, what was amazing about him is that he had these conversations, but he had done so much study and so much reading that he understood the foundational principles. and was able to engage in these conversations. And I am seeing a number of young people that have been taught relativism that with all this said, there is evil in this world. And that is an important realization. And for someone that doesn't believe there's evil in the world, it's going to be difficult to come together. But that's why, because he understood things so well that he was able to engage in this conversation with people. So what would you say in all that? I know it's probably difficult. Was there one particular speaker at the service that really stood out to you?
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Oh, my gosh. You know, I guess it's so interesting. Every speaker, and I don't know if this was planned, and, you know, they threw this service together in a week, but I didn't know if someone sent out an agenda or what happened because every speaker spoke from a different point of view, not only about Charlie, but about in the times that we're in about faith about just the world in general. And so I found that fascinating. And that was why you were able to pay attention for six hours, because each speaker, they spoke briefly and spoke from a different point of view. But I would say, gosh, I really can't pick one, to be honest. Every single speech just had its own kind of inspirational point. But you know, every single one also just pointed to the light and the fact that we are fighting the dark and that the light is what we bring. And we're going to continue to do that no matter what. And there was a sense of, you know, they all, you know, would say this is a turning point And maybe it is a turning point, but I think the turning point has been happening for a decade, to be honest. So that's inspiring and encouraging that people are actually recognizing and waking up to the idea that the turning point is happening and we have to continue to push so that it continues to happen.
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Well, and that's why these conversations regarding ideas is so important. And Susan Harris, you and your family are valued sponsors of the show, and we greatly appreciate you. And I really thank you for sharing your perspective on this.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and I just would like to say, too, Kim, I am a believer. I am a Christian. But I'll be honest, I hadn't been to church in decades. And that's what I did on Sunday. I'm not in Phoenix right now, so there was no way to go to that service. So I went to church. And so, you know, Charlie Kirk really, even though I don't know him, I don't know his family, I'm not a person on campus, he has impacted my life. And I think that's just telling in that, you know, I'm one of millions of And I'm not even his target demographic. Wow.
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Wow. Okay. Well, Susan Harris, that's amazing. I just got chills on that. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you, Kim. Have a great rest of your week.
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And you as well. And my friends, I wish you a very blessed day today. And we will be back same place, same time tomorrow.
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In this thought-provoking episode, Rick Hughes addresses the critical aspect of divine discipline and its distinction from divine judgment. By dissecting biblical texts, Rick unravels the multi-faceted approach God uses to guide His children away from arrogance and towards humility. He also tackles how bad decisions can limit future options and why national discipline is as crucial as personal obedience to God's mandates. Tune in to gain insights on how personal decisions influence one's spiritual path and discover strategies to realign with God's overarching plan for your life.
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Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
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Good morning and welcome to the Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and for the next few minutes, please stay with me. It won't be long. Only 30 minutes of motivation, some inspiration, some education. And no, absolutely none, not one bit of manipulation. Because we're not going to try to con you into giving money. We're not going to con you into buying a product. We're not trying to ask you to join up, fess it up, give it up. We're just asking you to listen up. Listen as I try to verify and identify the plan of God for your life. And if I can do that, then you know you're capable of orienting and adjusting to that plan. That's really up to you. It's your choice, your decision. So I pray you'll listen and listen very carefully today. I mentioned last Sunday morning that we have a book called Life's Toughest Years. If you have any young people in your family that's headed back to school this year, this is a great book for them to read. It's a compilation of five messages that I taught at a private school in Mississippi a few years ago, and we put it all down into a book. We made transcripts and put it into a book, and I think you'll enjoy it, called Life's Toughest Years. You can order it free of charge. We never charge for anything on our website. They're all free. compliments of the grace of God, because we believe if God's in it, he'll pay for it. If he doesn't, then we'll do something else. Also, if you go to our website, rickhughesministries.org, you'll find several books that we've written that are all free of charge. You'll also find older radio shows you can listen to via the website. and you'll find several of our books that are read out loud that you can listen to from the website as our announcer Jack Steele reads them to you. So thank you for listening, thank you for being with me. This is show 1048, 1048 Sundays we've been on the air with the Flatline Across America. Today we're going to take a look at the concept of God's discipline, and this is not a fun subject to study at all. but we're gonna look at God's discipline in the life of a Christian, in the life of a believer like you and I. Pay close attention to it because it may be what you are currently experiencing this very moment in your own life. First, let's remember that God does not discipline his children because he's mad at them. If we are under divine discipline, it's because he loves us. He's trying to save our lives so we don't completely self-destruct. You know, we are, after all, our own worst enemies, and most of the suffering we endure is because we mismanage our personal relationships with individuals, we mismanage our decisions that are critical in our life, and we mismanage our own health. So divine discipline is designed to bring about enforced humility. Listen to that word, enforced humility. What we should have is genuine humility. But if we had genuine humility, we could avoid many circumstances that are detrimental to our spiritual lives. The word humility is teachability. It's what it means, it's teachable. A arrogant person is not teachable. The arrogant person possesses no humility. He or she justifies why their behavior is okay based on arrogant irrationality. An irrational, arrogant person can not only destroy their own life, but their actions and their decisions can also permanently injure others in their periphery. This explains why a lot of crime, a lot of criminals, a lot of things that happen because people are irrationally arrogant and believe that they are doing the right thing when in actuality they're not. So let's look at what God has to say about this discipline issue in Hebrews 12, five through nine. Here it says, you have forgotten and ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children. my son despise not thou the chastening of the lord nor faint when thou art rebuked of him for whom the lord loveth he chastens and he scourges every son whom he receiveth if you endure chastening god deals with you as with a son For what son is he whom the Father does not chasten? But if you be without chastisement whereof all are partakers, then obviously you are a bastard and not a son. Furthermore, we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence. Shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits and live? Okay, let's look at this word chastening. Again, for whom the Lord loves, he chastens and scourges. The word chasten is a Greek word pronounced paideia, P-A-I-D-E-I-A, paideia. This noun is from the verb paduo, and it means to teach or to educate. The writer uses it for instructive punishment with God's fatherly love for his children, according to the Mount's M-O-U-N-C-E Bible Dictionary. So paideia, I always think about paddling, to paddle. But anyhow, I'm not sure that's exactly what it means, but it is a way that God uses instructive punishment with his fatherly love to correct us. If we apply Ephesians 6, 1 through 3 to this situation and look at it as an analogy, it says there are children, and that's for God's children and parents, for God, our Heavenly Father, God is our Father, and when we use this passage, Father, we find that obedience is respect. Children, obey your parents. Children, obey your parents and honor your father and your mother. obedience is respect, and our Heavenly Father is the key to living a long life on this earth. Again, listen to Ephesians 6, 1 and 3. Children, obey your parents and the Lord, for this is right. Honor your father and your mother, which is the first mandate with a promise, that it may be well with you, and you may live a long time on this earth. Here's the secret to having a long life, having enough humility to obey those in authority over you. The next word in the Hebrew passage we need to look at in this word is scourges. In Hebrews where it says he scourges every son whom he receives. What exactly is the word scourges and what does it mean? It's pronounced mastigeo, mastigeo. And it means to administer painful, painful punishment. like the Jewish method of scourging, which was a three-thong leather whip by which the person who was offended, the one who was an offender, the guilty person, would be beaten 13 times with the whip on the bare chest and 13 times on each shoulder. That's 40 stripes save one. This happened to the Apostle Paul five different times in his ministry, and he mentions it in 2 Corinthians 11, 24. where he said of the Jews, five times received I forty stripes, save one. This was the most harsh form of punishment the Jews used other than death by stoning. So in our passage, the word scourging is used metaphorically for extremely harsh discipline. This is the believer's chance, your chance and my chance, to correct our course before the Heavenly Father removes us from this earth and takes us home prematurely. He will do that, and I've seen it happen, and you may have seen it happen too. So finally, the passage in Hebrew said it would be much better to be in subjection, that's to obey, the Father of spirits and live, So here we have a three-step plan that God uses to bring about our obedience to his plan for our lives. So again, verse eight, Hebrews chapter 12. If you be without chastisement, we're of all our partakers, and you're not a child of God, you're a bastard. But furthermore, we've had fathers of our flesh who corrected us, and we gave them respect. Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits and lives? That's exactly what we want you to do, to live a long, wonderful, prosperous, happy life. So divine discipline, when we're talking about divine discipline, it's the sum total of punitive action taken by the justice of God in grace to correct, to punish, to encourage, to train, to motivate, to motivate our free will towards the protocol plan of God so that we'll be obedient, we'll obey, so we don't destroy ourselves and destroy other people along with us. Therefore, divine discipline must be distinguished from divine judgment. They're two different things. Discipline is for Christians only, but judgment is directed towards all categories of the human race, and including angels under certain circumstances. Divine discipline for the believer must also be distinguished from the law of volitional responsibility, where you have self-imposed, self-induced, and self-indulging forms of misery. Bad decisions not only destroy future options in your life, but they result in tremendous misery that you are able to manufacture by yourself. And you have to take responsibility for that. Whatever man sows, he's gonna reap, the Bible says. So the resultant discomfort, misery, and unhappiness in your life may last for a short period or a long period of time. Just depends. But punishment from God often follows the failure to rebound from our sins. We're told if we sin to confess our sin that he would be faithful and just to forgive us and to purify us from all unrighteousness. If we fail to rebound from our sin, then we get ourselves in big trouble. Our every sin originates from our free will. You choose it, I chose it, we did it on our own. Temptation may come from our old sin nature. We may be baited by Satan or another source, but we have to make the decision on our own. And all wrong decisions come from some form of arrogance or lust in our lives. So God in his grace provided divine discipline. That's what he does. His divine discipline is to motivate us to correct our course, and it is motivated by his love for our life. He does not punish us because he likes to see us squirm. It's not what's happening. He is perfect. He is just. He is fair. We are his children as members of the royal family of God. So listen to Proverbs 3.12. for whom the Lord loves he judges by punitive action, therefore like a father to a son in whom he delights. So divine discipline to the believer is parental training in the royal family of God by our Heavenly Father. Like parental training, divine discipline is designed to inculcate humility and from that humility to bring us to true objectivity for our lives so that we don't let arrogance control us. That's why Revelation 3.19 says, as many as I love, I rebuke and I chasten. Be zealous, therefore, and repent, which means to change your mind. That's what a lot of people get mixed up on that word repent. Repent means to change your mind, not necessarily to feel sorry for what you've done. That's an emotional thing, and that doesn't last. So we as believers have the opportunity to learn the easy way, which is the consistent intake of God's word on a daily basis, and not only to take it in, but to apply it into our life. Because like a subject in school, once you learn it, you're going to be tested on what you learned to see if you actually learned it. I want you to do something for me right now. I don't ask you to do this very often, but I want you to imagine a blackboard in a school classroom. Did you ever see that when you were growing up in school? We used to fight over who got to clean the blackboard and get out of class and go get the sponge and clean the blackboard. Imagine a blackboard in a school classroom and you're sitting in your desk and a teacher asks you to go up there and draw a great big Z on that blackboard so that all can see the Z. The easy way to learn is going to be illustrated by this big Z. If you start in the upper left-hand corner where you're drawing the Z, if you will write the word communicate on your blackboard. Communicate, that's the first thing you want to write by that Z. And then if you come across the blackboard to the right-hand corner of the upper Z, this is where learning starts, where a pastor communicates to you accurate Bible principles. The best way to do this is line upon line, precept upon precept. Once that pastor does this, it's the Holy Spirit's job to capture the content that he gives you and to convert it into spiritual fuel. If you're not filled with the Holy Spirit when you're taking it in, you're not gonna ever make the conversion. So the upper letter of the word Z is what? Communicate and then capture on the other side. The pastor communicates, the Holy Spirit captures what he communicates to you. Now we're coming down to the bottom part of the Z, drawing the line down. Now that we've been accurately fed, now we go to the bottom of the Z from left to right, completing the diagram with the word comply. This is where God wants you to comply with what the Holy Spirit captured, what the pastor communicated. And this is where we actually obey the mandates taught in Scripture. The Greeks had a word for knowledge, and that word was gnosis, G-N-O-S-I-S. But there was another word which was much more important, and it's pronounced epi-gnosis, E-P-I-G-N-O-S-I-S. The difference in these two words is the actual doing, not just the hearing. Truth heard but not applied is useless. It's just knowledge. But truth heard and applied is the accumulation of wisdom. This process must take place while under the filling of the Holy Spirit, or it's just an exercise and ritual that has no reality to it. So if we go back to the blackboard at the top, you got what? Communicate, the pastor. Capture, coming across the top of the Z, the Holy Spirit does that. and brings it down to the bottom of the Z, where you comprehend it, you understand it, and if you go across to the other side of the Z, you comply, or you keep what the Bible tells you to do. Communicate, capture, comprehend, and comply is critical in your life. You have to understand the Word of God. You have to understand that just going to church and sitting there and listening to the message doesn't mean anything unless you apply what you hear. You and I have been given some mandates. Those mandates are to study and to grow spiritually. Study and grow. You can read about them in 2 Timothy 2.15, which says, study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, but rightly dividing the word of truth. And then you can see 2 Peter 3.18, where it says, grow in the grace and the knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. These are two mandates. These are not requests. They are mandates. And when you ignore these instructions from God, you continue to put your wishes and your desires in front of God's mandates as you eventually come under warning discipline. Chastening. He will chasten you. He will spank you. He will warn you. This is easy discipline. This doesn't hurt. This is God trying to teach you the easy way. You may see something on a billboard that reminds you. Go to church. Read your Bible. And then in your mind, the Holy Spirit will say, uh-huh, you're not doing that, are you? It's God's way of getting your attention. It's not necessarily painful, but it's definitely uncomfortable. The reason is this is designed to bring genuine humility into your life and you to quit being arrogant and making arrogant excuses why you don't have to do that. Arrogant excuses come from self-justification and self-deception. So what God does through discipline one, chastisement, is to create humility in your life and bring about obedience. And when that doesn't work, if it doesn't work with you, if you're too dumb-headed, hard-headed, not-headed, then the scourging comes. That's the learning with pain associated. The learning with pain associated. And again, it's not because he's mad at you, but it's because God is trying to stop you from destroying yourself through multiple bad decisions. That scourging is called intense discipline. So you have warning discipline. That's the chastisement. And scourging, that's the intense discipline. That's intense discipline. So you have warning discipline and intense discipline. Now listen very carefully to the next part of Hebrews 12. Furthermore, we've had fathers of our flesh which corrected us and we gave them respect. Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the father of spirits and live? And live? The final stage of divine discipline is called dying discipline. In Proverbs 15, 10, the Bible says, correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way and he that hateth the reproof of God shall die. This is God taking you home way too soon. In 1 John 5, 16, if a man sees his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. But there is a sin unto death, and I do not say that he should pray for that. It's a sad thing to see when believers get out of fellowship and stay out of fellowship, when they don't recover from their sin, when they don't rebound their sin, I don't know what your sin might be or what you might be involved in, but I'm warning you, I'm telling you straight up, you may be under God's discipline in this very moment, and this is why your life is so miserable. This is why you're suffering, because you're under divine discipline. You're a child of God, but you're not studying to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needed not to be ashamed. You're not growing in the grace and knowledge of your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. You're pursuing your own objectives and your own desires and your own will, And you're only making yourself more miserable by your continually bad decisions, which limit future options. So the discipline you're under right now is to rescue you from yourself, not from somebody else, from your own self, because you are the one destroying your life, because you want to be obedient to God's plan for your life. You got your will and your way and that's what you want to do. And I have seen it happen in people's lives and I won't mention any names but it's been a very sad thing to watch. Believers that I know that are Christians who at one time sought after God's will in their life but they kind of eventually went down the my way highway and the end was not nice. Sometimes God has to take them on home to keep from destroying other people along the way. So remember that In summary, most of our suffering comes from ourselves under the law of what we call volitional responsibility. But when we ignore the suffering incurred from the law of volitional responsibility and we continue to live in the dungeon of the cosmic world, the cosmic system, the cosmic vortex, then God can bring us back to reality with chastisement, scourging, getting your attention. Here's a very critical point I want to make to you. Divine discipline does not imply loss of salvation. No matter how intense the suffering you may go through, you're not losing your salvation. Once you believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, there's not one thing that you're going to do that God will cancel that and kick you out of his family. God's plan is established once and forever. Once you become a member of the royal family of God, he doesn't kick you out because you started sinning and you got into some sin. You can look at the illustration of the prodigal son and see that in Luke, the whole story about the prodigal son, the parable that Jesus gave. The son who went down the my way highway and eventually almost destroyed himself and came home and his father still loved him. So what about you? Are you on the my way highway? Are you under divine discipline? Are the decisions that you're making causing you to have misery and suffering in your life? then rebound, confess those sins, 1 John 1, 9, the sin of not studying, the sin of not growing, the sin of not staying filled with the Holy Spirit. Confess those sins, let God cleanse you, and make a decision like any other decision. I want to be the person God wants me to be. I want to grow in the grace and knowledge of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It's not going to be easy. It will be testing. Satan will do everything he can to stop you from honoring that decision. He will distract you and discourage you and try to defeat you because he knows that a mature believer has a maximum impact for God in this world. Now let's talk about one other thing before we wrap it up this morning. Let's talk about national discipline. National discipline, not personal, national. In Hosea 4, 1 through 6, listen to this. Hear the word of the Lord, you children of Israel. For the Lord has a controversy with the inhabitants of the land because there's no truth, no mercy, and no knowledge of God in the land. That's Hosea 4.1. Now let me skip to verse 6. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you've rejected knowledge, I will reject you. You hear that? Because you reject knowledge, I will reject you. and you will be no more a priest for me. Since you have forgotten the laws of your God, I will also forget your children. What is it that destroys a nation? It's the no knowledge of God's plan. There's one thing Satan's tried to do in this country, shut down the word of God so that people have no knowledge of God and his plan. Do away with the 10 commandments in the schools. Stop prayer from happening in the schools. Anybody that tries to preach in the public can condemn him and criticize him. No knowledge of God in the land. What about you? How much about God do you even know? God said in Jeremiah, I want people who know me and understand me. And I've told you before, it's a bad thing to not understand the God that you know. You may know him, yes. You may be saved, yes. But you might not understand the God that you know. Last week, I told you that passage about go outside and see God. Would you want to do it? And then I read the verse that said, no man can see me and live. Nations can become arrogant and under divine discipline. In Leviticus 26, 19, I will break down the arrogance of your power and I will make your sky like iron and your land like bronze. In Ezekiel 7.10, he said, behold, the day is coming. Your doom has gone forth. The rod of discipline has budded because arrogance has blossomed. In a nation such as ours, national arrogance will destroy us. National discipline comes when the pivot of mature believers shrinks up and begins to disappear. When divine judgment falls, it always comes in the form of historical disaster. Idiotic government policies that tell you the end is very near. If the pivot is large enough, the nation will be delivered. But if the pivot is too small, and that's you, you've got to be in that pivot, the nation will be destroyed. Every nation has its relationship with the justice of God through those laws of divine establishment, freedom, marriage, family, and nationalism. So religion is the greatest enemy of a nation because in the name of good, it produces more evil than any sin ever could produce. Historical disaster as the cleansing of a nation is taught under the concept of the five cycles of discipline in Leviticus 26, 14 through 38. Write that verse down and read it. Leviticus 26, 14 through 38. You will see how the divine discipline of God comes in five distinct cycles. And I could tell you this, the United States of America is under divine discipline. We're in big trouble. Unless we pull out of it, get things right, we're going to lose what God has blessed us, and that's the freedom that we have to worship and enjoy him. All right? I hope you understood this message. I hope it applies to your life. I hope it serves as a warning to you to recover and get back where you belong. Start growing in the grace and knowledge of your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Until next week, I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and I thank you for listening to The Flatline.
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Don Crawford delivers a powerful call to courage in a time when being both Christian and conservative invites real persecution—even here in America. Drawing deep parallels between the Apostle Paul and Charlie Kirk, Crawford lays out how both men endured suffering for their faith and convictions, ultimately laying down their lives. From Paul’s shipwrecks, beatings, and imprisonment to Charlie Kirk’s assassination, this Stand asks: are we prepared to face the cost of discipleship? Crawford reminds listeners that vengeance belongs to God, and that the greatest weapon against hate is radical love. This is not just a history lesson—it’s a challenge to every believer: will you stand, even if it costs everything?
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The Crawford Stand with the president of Crawford Broadcasting Company, Don Crawford.
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To be a Christian, especially today, entails a considerable risk of life and limb. It really does. That is so the world over, and now it begins in a real way in our very own America. To be a Christian, or a conservative, or both, invites persecution. ridicule, rejection, and to be ostracized from society in so many ways, and even the world at large. A great theologian said that to come to Christ is to come to die. Well, maybe he was right. Maybe. But we who believe knew that before we committed. At least we should have. We should have known. It's in the scripture everywhere. And before we became one with Him, He made the great sacrifice and the great suffering and endured the great persecution for us. It then became our lot in life to die to self and to sin and the world like He did. We knew what He did. We knew the horrendous story of the crucifixion, the persecution of Calvary, We saw no greater love than his, as he laid down his life for his friends, for us, for all mankind, for all humankind. We knew that to live for him, to accept him, would be to lay our all on the altar, including our bodies, willing to make them a living sacrifice. Charlie Kirk knew that. Charlie Kirk lived that. And he died for that and more at the hands of an assassin's bullet. And so did the Apostle Paul. Paul hated Christians, hated them, and Christianity. And it was his mission to persecute and kill the followers of Jesus Christ. No one hated or persecuted Christians more than Saul of Tarsus. Saul was a Roman citizen, a Pharisee of the Jews, a bloodthirsty killer and persecutor of Christians and Christianity. Saul was a master of persecution. So many early Christians died at his hand or were jailed or persecuted in physical ways and lost virtually everything they had. But then came the Damascus Brood where Saul met Jesus Christ And Saul became Paul. And he was never the same. Paul turned from persecution to preacher of the gospel of Jesus Christ. His conversion was instant, dramatic, and dynamic. Change at work from head to toe. The Christ of glory knew what Saul had done. his horrible persecutions, and he said that he would show Paul the sufferings that he dished out to him himself. The considerable sufferings and persecutions he himself would endure, and boy, they were something. No Christian could forget the question the Lord asked him. Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? Why? Why? Why, said the Christ of glory, why do you do this? And why do you kill those who love and believe in me? But there was no answer, but only the beginning of a total commitment to his newfound Lord and Savior, as Saul became Paul. And he never knew the extent of the promise of Jesus Christ. He didn't know what he meant when our Lord said to him, I will show this man how much he must suffer for my name. I will show this man how much he must suffer for my name. Sounds like a little bit of payback to me. What do you think? And suffer Paul did big time. Paul described those sufferings in his own words in 2 Corinthians chapter 11. And he said, I have labored extensively for Christ. Hear this now. This is really important. The extent of his sufferings. Paul wrote, I have labored extensively for Christ. I have been imprisoned many times. I have endured beatings without number. I am always in danger of death. Five times I received from the Jews forty lashes, less one. I was stoned three times. I was shipwrecked a night and a day, out there on the sea. I have been in danger from rivers, from robbers, from my own countrymen, from the Gentiles, from dangers in cities and desolate places. Oh, my soul. I have lived in danger from false brothers. We do as well, do we not? I have endured many sleepless nights. I have endured starvation and thirst, and I am often hungry and cold, cold and without enough clothing. I am under constant pressure of concern and persecution for all the churches of Jesus Christ I have established. You know, that may have been the worst possible persecution and suffering he could have endured. So my fellow Christian, compared to those Pauline sufferings, so many of us in America have had it easy, don't you think? Perhaps too easy. Paul eventually endured the ultimate sufferings. the ultimate suffering, the ultimate persecution. He was murdered. He was beheaded for Jesus Christ. Such a brutal way to die. Paul lost his life in a split second at the cut of a guillotine. Charlie Kirk, the Christian and conservative, lost his life in a second from the bullet of an assassin's rifle. Parallel in some ways, don't you think? Paul gave his life for the Lord he loved and in whom he firmly believed with all his heart and all his soul and all his strength and all his mind. So did Charlie Kirk. My fellow Christians, violence and vengeance seem to be on the rise in America now more than ever. In many quarters, it is dangerous to be a Christian and a conservative. And if one is both Christian and conservative, oh my soul, the danger is doubled. Charlie Kirk was both, and the bullet of an assassin, a young irrational killer. Fame-seeking and revenge-minded ended Charlie Kirk's life. He died for his country, and he died for his Lord and Savior. The Apostle Paul died for his Lord Jesus Christ, and he died as a Roman citizen. They were great men. martyrs, heroes, missionaries, courageous, loving, an example to all of us who followed in so many ways. These two men, in their own way, showed the world that there was no greater love than that of a man, each of them laying down his life for his friends, like Jesus did. The Christ of glory died young, 33 years old. Charlie Kirk died young, 31 years old. Paul lived longer, but suffered more, suffered more persecution, and all three died brutal deaths. The Lord of glory, the most brutal by far, and the most violent, and the most painful, and suffered the longest of any of the three. But he did so for you. I hope you appreciate that every day of your life, Christian. He did so for you, for me, for all of us. And no greater love was ever shown to mankind than that of Jesus Christ at Calvary. We should be so very thankful and appreciative of that great act of love for us. We often wish for vengeance. I know I do. I wish I didn't, but I admit I do. And retribution and justice, which in so many ways we never get. But our Lord commands us to love our enemies. Boy, that's one of the hardest Christian commandments of all for me. How about you? Can you love your enemy? I mean, really love your enemy? I think it's one of the most difficult things in all of Christian life. He tells us that the vengeance is none of your business. It's not my business, but it's his. And when and how he wishes, he will be the instrument of vengeance, not us. I really do my very best to accept that. And he requires us, again, to turn the other cheek. Do you do that? And he promises he will make things right. He will. Not you. Not me. Violence really only begets more violence. Love, on the other hand, real love, never stops producing miracles. Never. You could say that love in the face of violence and evil is the greatest weapon of all. I believe that. I really do believe that, do you? The greatest vengeance, the greatest get-even, is to pray for your enemy, to do good for him or her, and show the love of Jesus Christ in every way, in you, in your life, in the way you live. Show that. The greatest vengeance for the greatest good even is to pray for your enemy and to do good for him or her and to show the love of Jesus Christ in every way. I want to repeat that. Do you do that? Can you do that? I don't think you can without the love and the strength of Jesus Christ. He's the only one that can give you the courage to do that. I know that's true in my life. And the only way you and I can do that is with the power, the courage, and the strength of our Lord, if we ask for that, if we believe in that, if we know that he will give us that, so that we can be the kind of ambassador for him and his love that he would have us be. And like the Apostle Paul, Charlie Kirk knew that. He knew that. Kirk believed that. And he died for that. I wonder, are you willing to die for the love of Jesus Christ? Are you? Am I? I challenge myself every day, especially now as I grow older and America grows more anti-Christian. Am I willing to die as the ultimate persecution for the Lord I love and in whom I believe? And are you?
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How's your heart after recent events? Mr. Crawford would love to know. And he's here to encourage you on the Crawford Stand. Talk to him in your email at stand at CrawfordMediaGroup.net. When you write to Mr. Crawford, be sure to tell him on what station you hear the stand. His address again is stand at CrawfordMediaGroup.net. and he'd love to hear from you this week. When you want to review what you hear, go to our website, CrawfordMediaGroup.net. The Crawford Stand is a public affairs presentation of Crawford Broadcasting Company and this station, serving God and country. I'm Bill McCormick.
Mike Gallagher broadcasts live from Phoenix to bring listeners inside the historic Charlie Kirk Memorial at State Farm Stadium. With over 200,000 attendees, this wasn’t a funeral—it was a revival. Gallagher shares clips from pastors, political leaders, and cultural voices including Tucker Carlson, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Marco Rubio, Pete Hegseth, Donald Trump, Benny Johnson, Tulsi Gabbard, and Erica Kirk, Charlie’s widow. From moments of grief to calls for revival, the service became a cathedral of worship and a testament to Kirk’s legacy. Gallagher recounts the unforgettable experience, weaving in reflections, personal encounters, and messages of faith, freedom, and courage.
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This is a special edition of the Mike Gallagher Show. The Charlie Kirk Memorial is a special edition of the Mike. Here's Mike Gallagher.
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Welcome to Phoenix. I'm glad you're here for what is indeed a very special edition of our show. Yesterday was the Charlie Kirk Memorial. And what a day. What an experience. And what a time for our country. This was historic. And I'm going to do something a little different today. You know that we have a caller-driven show. You know how much I appreciate your voice. I do want to hear your voice and see your voice on our text line. Feel free to text us with your feedback, with your comments at 800-655-MIKE. But today, I want to do my best. And we haven't done this before. We haven't even actually timed it all out. But Eric and Tracy and Christian and Alex and Dan and Joey, we've all been kind of working to figure out how best to represent yesterday's Charlie Kirk memorial service. I can honestly tell you that in my 65 years on this planet, I have never experienced anything like this in my life. I could go on and on about how we almost didn't get in because when you have a couple hundred thousand people show up at 5 or 6 in the morning, you got issues. I could talk about the complicated ticket process that the miracle of miracles came because we got our emailed barcode at the last second because they had an enormous technical challenge over at Turning Point. I will tell you that for Turning Point USA, and the U.S. Secret Service to put this together in seven days was nothing short of miraculous. It's typical vintage Charlie Kirk, because Charlie excelled at these kind of events all over the country, all over the world. And so here's what we're doing today. I want to play a snippet of every single speaker. And there were a lot. I mean, the service lasted five hours. And it was worth every minute. I'm so honored and blessed to have been there. And I consider it an honor and a privilege to get to share it all with you here on the Mike Gallagher Show in Phoenix. And a quick note, a big thank you to our friends here at 960 The Patriot. My goodness, David Dahl doing a great job with the transportation in and out. Even got me a Diet Coke. in the middle of the service, which was very hard to come by with all those people. But Mark Durkin has a team here that is just extraordinary, and Jeremy and everybody. I hope I'm not leaving anybody out, but they have an amazing team here, and we're in their studios right now, and I just am so grateful for the hospitality that they provided. And it was a team effort. We had the bosses here. We had Dave Santrella, the CEO of Salem Media Group, Phil Boyce, vice president of Our Spoken Word, and my dear mentor who I've worked with for many, many years and worked for for many years. So this was just a – and, of course, I'm with my colleagues, Larry Elder. you know, my dear friend and colleague, Larry Elder. You ought to walk through an arena with Larry. Oh, boy. Now, a lot of people said hi to me, too, and I appreciate that. Good for the soul. Nice for the ego. But you get humbled if you're a broadcaster and you're walking through a crowded stadium with Larry. Because the great Elderski, oh, boy. And he is as gracious and kind and patient. There were people giving him his cell phone numbers, and they wanted his number. And he and Nina were just gracious and patient and wonderful. And incidentally, the Salem News Channel team, we carried this yesterday live on Salem News Channel. Willie Nelson, yes, that's his real name. Willie Nelson with us here, and he is just a remarkable talent. And I know that the whole team, Garrett and Adam and everybody, worked around the clock to make sure that they delivered the coverage to you perfectly. And they did. So just honored and proud to be part of that team. Let's go. I want to start with Pastor Rob McCoy. Now, Pastor Rob McCoy is Charlie's pastor. He pastors the church that Charlie attends. attended he's the co-chair of turning point faith and he made no make no bones about it when you showed up yesterday at the state farm stadium you weren't there for a funeral you were there for a spiritual revival the bible says that when one sinner gives their heart to the lord the angels in heaven rejoice and i gotta tell you there's one up there right now charlie kirk he's stoked and he's excited about your commitment to his savior
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For this remaining moment, if you've given your heart to the Lord and someone is seated next to you, I want that person who's a believer to stand and pray with you. And please, up on the screen, I want you to take a picture of this QR code. We are going to give you everything you need to walk this walk with Christ. Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God, and it's time to get into a Bible-believing church. And pastors, if you didn't want to give Charlie Kirk the time of day, these folks are going to be showing up at your church, and they're there because of his life. God bless you, and may the Lord keep you. Amen.
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That set the tone for the whole day. And it was like that. Sure, there were political figures there, but you knew that State Farm Stadium turned into a cathedral. It was a church. It was a house of worship, just the way Charlie would have wanted it. On Friday, we went over – Eric Hansen and I, who's with me here in Phoenix, went to the Turning Point USA headquarters along with Mark Durkin, and we talked to people there. In fact, I met Benny Johnson for the first time and interviewed Benny. He spoke yesterday as well. He's the great conservative influencer on social media. He's got a big following. But while we were there, we saw that one of the buildings is the Bill – and Rebecca Dunn facility, obviously big donors to Turning Point. And Rebecca Dunn, who obviously cherished Charlie, shared her whole experience because the Dunns were among the first donors to ever provide financial support to this huge, massive high school and college outreach program, Turning Point USA. Here's Rebecca Dunn.
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Shortly before I met Charlie, I had become very discouraged about the atmosphere in our country. I even suggested to my husband that maybe we should stop trying. It seemed that the money and time we were giving to freedom causes did not seem to be making a difference. Bill asked me to read an article by Larry Reed. The essence of the article said this. If we truly believed in freedom, we must never stop trying to preserve it. We had a moral obligation to fight for freedom. And as long as there is a breath in our bodies, we must fight.
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Of course, Hillsdale College is a great friend of the Salem community, and the president of Hillsdale, Larry Arnn, had some great words for the hundreds of thousands of people. Remember, over 200,000 people showed up, 60,000-plus in the stadium, another 40,000-plus over in the hockey arena, which is really the overflow. Here's Dr. Larry Arnn from Hillsdale.
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You know, a good thing is a thing that has being. An assassin is not a thing that has being. The assassin must give up his humanity to destroy something that has being. Charlie lives on. The assassin will die.
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Wow. Wow. Now, I mentioned Pastor McCoy, Charlie's pastor, but there's a real connection from the Kirk family to the McCoy family because Mikey McCoy is Pastor McCoy's son. Mikey served as chief of staff to Charlie Kirk. And I would argue, you know, people are saying, who's going to be the next Charlie Kirk? There'll never be another Charlie Kirk person. But I was so encouraged and inspired to see a whole bunch of young people stepping up. And, of course, Andrew Colvett, you'll hear from him as well. He was sort of Charlie's right-hand man, his spokesman. But Mikey was his chief of staff. And, my gosh, was he energetic and just electrifying with his comments, knowing, of course, how close he was to Charlie. And his heart is broken over his boss's death. Here's Mikey McCoy's comments.
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Charlie's assassin thought that he could steal and silence his voice by putting a bullet in his neck. In the words of Soren Kiergaard, the tyrant dies and his rule is over. The martyr dies and his rule has just begun. Thank you. Charlie was not silenced. His movement is only beginning. The voices of millions globally have been awakened, furthering his cause and mission far beyond anyone's comprehension. We won't cower in fear. We will never surrender. We are resolved to live free from lies and seek out what is true. We will respectfully, boldly challenge what is accepted by culture in order to seek out what is true and acceptable to God Almighty alone.
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Wow. Those are some of the moments, and I want to share all of them with you. And our goal here at the Mike Gallagher Show today, on this Monday after the service, is to let you get little snippets of every single speaker there, including the president, the vice president, and perhaps most importantly, his widow, Erica Kirk, the new CEO of Turning Point USA. Our special coverage here in the Relief Factor studios today. The Charlie Kirk Memorial continues from Phoenix. Ph.D. weight loss has changed my life, and I've got a little secret for you. You know Big Pharma and semaglutide and the shots in the belly. You've seen the story recently about the study that shows that a lot of people that are getting this are going blind. You don't want to do this. You want a program to lose weight that's centered around science and nutrition, a proven roadmap that has helped over 8,000 clients lose weight and keep it off, like me. I lost 53 pounds a few years ago and I've kept it off. I know what to eat and when. I know how to quiet any of the cravings I might get and finally release that unhealthy belly fat that I carried along for so long. Make the phone call that can change your life in the way it changed mine. It's called PhD Weight Loss. PhD Weight Loss, Dr. Ashley Lucas' program is brilliant. And how do I know? Well, 53 pounds later, here I am. 864-644-1900 is their number. Call and schedule your consultation. You can do this program from anywhere in America. Call 864-644-1900, 864-644-1900, or visit MyPhDWeightLoss.com.
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This is a special edition of The Mike Gallagher Show. The Charlie Kirk Memorial. And now, from Phoenix, here's Mike Gallagher.
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Being here in Phoenix is one of the most significant, profound events of my life. I'm so honored that we got to attend the service in person yesterday at State Farm Stadium. Over 200,000 people converged upon two arenas. They had about 65,000, 70,000, I think, in the arena where the memorial service took place. They had over 40,000 in the hockey arena. That was the overflow. And it wasn't a funeral. It wasn't even a typical traditional memorial service. It was a worship service. It was church. It was converting a sports stadium into a cathedral. And it was just incredible. My goal today is to play as many clips for you from the speakers as possible. And there were a lot of speakers. It was a long program. It was over five hours, culminating with President Trump and Erica Kirk on the stage. And the attendees... was kind of a who's who of conservative influencers. One of perhaps America's most popular is Benny Johnson. Benny has a very popular social media and digital presence. He's got a podcast. In fact, funny story, flying from Tampa to Phoenix, I saw Benny on the plane with his wife and one of his little kids, a little baby under his arm. And he switched seats with a guy who happened to be Jim Holden, a man that was very kind to me. And he reached out and he said, I love your flag pin. As you see always on Salem News Channel, I wear an American flag, Israel flag lapel pin every day. And this gentleman explained he has one too. And he goes, I'm a board member at the Turning Point Endowment. and introduced himself to me as Jim Holden. And, of course, I introduced myself to him, and we talked about Charlie and this, you know, incredible, awful thing that happened to him and where Turning Point goes from here. Well, Benny, when he got on the plane, didn't have seats with his wife. So he asked Jim, unbeknownst to Benny, he was asking the Turning Point board member to switch seats, and Jim didn't recognize Benny. So I told them both. I said, look, I want you later after the fact. So anyway, Friday we headed over to the Turning Point USA headquarters where I have visited before. My dear friend Tom Sudeika, who's one of the original founding board members of Turning Point and one of Charlie's mentors, gave me a tour years ago of Turning Point and the beautiful facility over there. Wow, is it incredible. And there's a massive shrine right now outside the Turning Point USA headquarters. Thousands of flowers and flowers. flags and messages and balloons. And I ran into Benny Johnson outside the Turning Point headquarters on Friday and had a chance to visit with him. It's gratifying during a somber time like this at Turning Point to run into familiar faces and people you follow. Mike Gallagher show listeners and viewers know I quote Benny all the time. The Benny show here in person is Last night you were bartering a change of seats on your flight from Tampa to Phoenix, and you handled that very well.
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Thank you, Mike. We are out front of Turning Point USA where there is an entire quarter of a mile long Charlie Kirk Memorial that is 20 feet deep that has to have multiple police officers block the road because of the expansive size of the memorial. It is monumental and a testament to Charlie's life, movement, and the mission that we must carry on.
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You walk here, and when we turned the corner and saw the thousands of flowers and signs and flags and balloons, Benny, there are very few people in American culture who have had this kind of an impact on the American people.
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Well, right, especially after their passing. So this is what normally happens is people lose power. Tyrants lose power after their passing. People live their lives and they go on and then, you know, you're truly gone when people forget your name. I've never in my life witnessed what's happening here. Charlie's social media accounts have doubled and tripled in size. My entire social media feed, along with every other person on earth, is now seeing Charlie's voice speaking to us. What has happened here is a martyrdom in the true sense of the Christian tradition, the same way that the blood of Stephen, who, and it gave me chills thinking about this, Mike, was the same age as Charlie. upon his martyrdom, the same way that that inspired the single greatest growth of Christianity and the kingdom of God, upon his death, that is what we are witnessing here in Charlie and many interviews explained what he wanted his legacy to be. What 20-year-old man does that, by the way? He explained many times, I want to be remembered for courage for the kingdom of God. And God is using, as he always does, Charlie's martyrdom to advance the kingdom of God. It is precisely what Charlie would have wanted. I get chills talking about it.
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One of the world's most popular social media influencers, Benny Johnson, with us here outside Turning Point USA. Benny, you talk about chills. I came across a video of an interview Charlie gave the morning he was killed with Fox Nation. Did you see what he said when he was asked... How do you live your life? What do you, what rules do you follow? What quotes do you go by? And the first one was this too shall pass. I mean, he was so prophetic hours before he was killed in Salt Lake city, almost, almost foreshadowing what was going to happen to him.
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I will live who knows how long, but whatever my deathbed is, I will be able to say I was witness to a miracle. I've worked with Charlie for 10 years. I saw the prophetic nature of his life and, What 14-year-old is wandering the halls of the RNC convention in 2012 when Mitt Romney was running for president, talking about the vision for Turning Point, begging for his first donors, wandering the stairwells there in Tampa? 14-year-old boys are getting Legos stuck up their nose, not doing that. And what Charlie has built is the single most powerful youth political organization on earth that is the fastest growing political organization in the world currently. That is the hand of God. We were witness to a miracle. We were witness to a prophetic calling, and we all got to see it in our own ways. Some of us up close, some of us worked with him like you did, Mike. And when we were working with Charlie, you could actually see it. And I don't know, other than the birth of my own children, I don't think I'll ever be able to say I was witness to a true miracle. So this was a true miracle. It's God's telling us he's real, he's working, and he's not done with America yet. yet.
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There's been an energy unleash. Benny, you know it. We know it. We all know it. Things are changing. The game has changed. One example, maybe, and you had a hand in this, I would argue, with the Jimmy Kimmel put on ice after the despicable lie that he told that the killer was MAGA. He doesn't want to apologize. His defenders deny that he even said it. They're gaslighting. Your interview with Brendan Carr, the FCC commissioner, Many say is the reason that he was fired. It wasn't the reason. It was a business decision. They're lying about that. That shouldn't surprise you. But you have to be pleased that there was such clarity presented on your show with the FCC commissioner. Well, Mike, you know.
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No one is above the law. Where have I heard that before? The FCC regulates the main broadcasters in this country. They get lavish goodies from the taxpayers, ABC, CBS and NBC. They get bestowed upon them all of these. Beautiful things like access to every television and phone in America. Millions of households get these privileges. You don't get them. I don't get them. ABC gets them. And with those government privileges that we all fund comes something very special. It's called a duty to broadcast in the public interest. Now, is it in the public interest to blame Charlie Kirk for his own death? Is it in the public interest to slander this good man? Is it in the public interest to protect the radical, sick, demonic ideology that stole this man from his children, that orphaned his children, that widowed his wife, that stole the president from our nation? No. No. It is the baseline decency for us to hold Jimmy Kimmel and ABC News into an account for that sick and slanderous lie that they told about our friend. And all I'm trying to do is defend my friend.
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Well, you did it. You did it in a spectacular way. We appreciate you so much as the crowd cheers for you. Benny Johnson, Mike Gallagher show audience knows we use you all the time. I hope you don't mind. We we borrow liberally from you, so to speak. And I appreciate you fighting the good fight. It's great to meet you. I borrow conservatively for me next time. Yes. Deal. All right. And then imagine my pleasant surprise to see Benny on stage yesterday as one of the featured speakers.
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May we pray that our rulers here, rightfully instituted and given power by our God, wield the sword for the terror of evil men in our nation in Charlie's memory. I want to live in a country where the evil are terrified and where the good and the faithful and the moral people of our nation can live in peace, debate in peace, disagree in peace, and start families in peace. And so we want to thank the administration for being here and carrying out that godly mission of wielding the sword against evil. I'd be remiss if I didn't say this to all of the young men in the audience, and I can see so many young men out there. Charlie really reached young men and women. But this is the advice that Charlie gave me. Center your life on Christ. Fall in love. Get married. Have a million kids. And live out your American dream. And by doing that we can create millions and millions and millions of Charlie Kirks. And we can save our land. That will be our turning point. God bless you. And God bless Charlie Kirk. He's looking down on us smiling from heaven.
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This is a special edition of the Mike Gallagher Show. The Charlie Kirk Memorial. And now, from Phoenix, here's Mike Gallagher.
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My friend and colleague Kevin McCullough wrote over at Town Hall that yesterday was a historic day. Kevin wrote, let me let you in on a little secret. Yesterday was not a day of regret. Yesterday was not a day of despair. Yesterday was a day of celebration and remembrance. Charlie Kirk lived just 31 years. Only 13 of them is the public voice we came to know through Turning Point USA. Yet in those 13 years, he touched millions of lives. And he sure was deserving of the remarkable event that I attended yesterday at State Farm Stadium here in the Phoenix area. I want to play for you as many clips as possible from some of the speakers. You know, there's been a lot of drama about Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and Israel and all of that. Suffice to say, I guess it's a testament to Tucker's Friendship with Charlie that Tucker did speak yesterday. Candace, unfortunately, did not attend. And I don't really care. I don't want to get into all that drama. Believe me, there's a lot of drama going on all over the country. But yesterday was drama-free. There were no incidents. There were no disruptions. And to think that they pulled this off with seven days. Hundreds of thousands of people showed up at these sports venues in the Phoenix area. Secret Service. I mean, you had the whole seat of government under one roof. And everybody, considering the circumstances, did a splendid job. This was a revival yesterday. As I posted on X, the assassin wanted a funeral. Instead, what happened was a revival, was a worship, was a celebration of Charlie's legacy and what will happen going forward. Here's Tucker Carlson, host of the Tucker Carlson Network, now on podcast and, of course, after Fox News dumped him. Many would argue it was the greatest, most liberating thing to happen to Tucker, but here he was yesterday on the stage at the State Farm Stadium.
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It's only an acknowledgment that what Charlie was really saying is that change begins, the only change that matters, when we repent of our sins. We. Me. A recognition that the real problem is me and how fallen I am. And that was the reason that Charlie was fearless at all times. Truly fearless to his last moment. He was unafraid. He was not defensive. And there was no hate in his heart. I know that because I've got a little hate compartment in my heart. And I would often express that to Charlie about various people. And he would always say, always say, that's a sad person. That's a broken person. That's a person who needs help. That's a person who needs Jesus. He said that in private because he meant it. So I guess I would just say this gathering and God's presence, God's very obvious presence in this room, the presence of Jesus, is a reminder of what we've known for 2,000 years, which is any attempt to extinguish the light causes it to burn brighter every single time.
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I don't know who the Republican nominee is going to be in 2028, but political watchers saw a couple of contenders, J.D. Vance, the current vice president, and Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, speak yesterday. I saw somebody post on social media, after this speech today, Marco Rubio will be the nominee. I don't know. I know it's probably inappropriate to speculate based on speeches yesterday, but there's no question. Marco Rubio soared.
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One of the things he wants us to take away from this, from all of this, is the following. His deep belief... that we were all created, every single one of us, before the beginning of time, by the hands of the God of the universe, an all-powerful God, who loved us and created us for the purpose of living with Him in eternity. But then sin entered the world and separated us from our Creator. And so God took on the form of a man and came down and lived among us. And He suffered like men. And He died like a man. But on the third day He rose unlike any mortal man. And then, and to prove any doubters wrong, he ate with his disciples so they could see and they touched his wounds. He didn't rise as a ghost or as a spirit, but as flesh. And then he rose to the heaven, but he promised he would return. And he will. And when he returns, because he took on that death, because he carried that cross, we were freed from the sin that separated us from him. And when he returns, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. And we will all be together. And we are going to have a great reunion there again with Charlie and all the people we love. Thank you and God bless you.
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Wow, wow, wow. I know Charlie loved Pete Hegseth, and Pete Hegseth, of course, the former Fox News host and now Secretary of War, clearly loved Charlie.
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Charlie Kirk was a citizen who had the biblical heart of a soldier of the faith, who put on every single day the full armor of God with a smile, as the scriptures tell all Christ followers to do. Charlie Kirk. a warrior for country, a warrior for Christ. He ran the race. He finished the fight. Now it's our turn. My charge to all of you, live worthy of Charlie Kirk's sacrifice and put Christ at the center of your life as he advocated for giving his.
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Sadly, if you're a Kennedy, you know all about assassinations. We know how much tragedy and violence has impacted the Kennedy family. So that's why I think it was very meaningful to listen to the Health and Human Services Secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., talk about his friend, Charlie, from his perspective as a Kennedy.
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In one of my first conversations with Charlie in July of 2021, we were talking about the risks that all of us take when we challenge interest, the physical risk. And he asked me if I was scared of dying. And I said to him, there's a lot worse things than death. And one of those things is if we lost our constitutional rights in this country and that our children were raised as slaves. And... I said to Charlie, I said, sometimes the best consolation we can hope for is that we get to die with our boots on. Well, Charlie died with his boots on. And he died to make sure that we didn't have to undergo those fates that are worse than death. Oh, let's remember Charlie. For those of us who were friends with Charlie, we don't need any more evidence of the love of God because the friendship is the best evidence that God loves us all. Thank you and God bless you.
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RFK Jr., whose own father was felled by an assassin. There was some levity yesterday. Donald Trump Jr., who, of course, was a good friend of Charlie's, and, of course, President Trump's son, poked a little fun at his dad, who was up in the presidential box looking down with a big smile on his face at this moment.
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I'm not widely known for being a sentimental guy. Anyone who's seen me on social media knows I'm far more likely to crack a joke or get myself in trouble for posting some grossly inappropriate memes than I am to shed a tear. I know this because I've even gotten the call from that guy a couple times. You know, Don, Don, you're getting a little aggressive on social media, Don. Relax.
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It was a great moment. A lot of great moments. And still to come, Vice President J.D. Vance, President Trump, and, of course, Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, as we share some of the sights and sounds and the impressions of yesterday's memorial service at State Farm Stadium.
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The Mike Gallagher Show.
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Charlie lived his life as a warrior for truth and for freedom. Every single day choosing to step into the arena armed with the Constitution. Sparring through debate on the battlefield of ideas. Fighting for the heart of our democratic republic. And the unalienable rights endowed upon every one of us by our creator.
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In the ReliefFactor.com studios, here's Mike.
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Tulsi Gabbard doing a wonderful job paying tribute to Charlie Kirk yesterday. I have to quickly tell you how much I love coming to Phoenix. And I shared with you Friday how I walked down the hall here at the radio station and saw... The poster of Charlie and me and Larry Elder and Seb Gorka at an event we did here last year. They do such wonderful events. The whole team here, 960, The Patriot, led by Mark Durkin. Again, one of my favorite markets to visit. I wish I could come here on a monthly basis. But thanks to everybody for making us feel so welcome. Of course, for years I've had a great relationship with this station. The great Jim Ryan, the previous general manager, was a good friend of the show and a supporter. And Mark is just wonderful. I'm glad I got to spend some time with Mark. I also appreciated spending a lot of money on Waymo's. This thing has made me obsessed. Every city should have Waymo driverless vehicles. You've never seen anything like it. This morning, I was leaving the... hotel at the crack of dawn, and my boss, Phil Boyce, was leaving for the airport. I said, Phil, let me get you a Waymo. He said, I don't know. No driver? I said, yeah, you could do it. So I ordered him a Waymo. These are cars, giant domes on the top and all these weird cameras and stuff, and there's no driver. It picks you up, takes you wherever you want to. You get in the back seat or the front seat, like Phil did. It says, hello, Phil. I mean, it plays music, and there's no driver. And I promise you, it's a heck of a lot smoother than any Uber driver or taxi driver. I posted a little video of it, I think, on X when I first got here. I've been taking these Waymo cars all over town. I've been crisscrossing Phoenix in a Waymo driverless vehicle. And here's the best part, and this is why, all kidding aside, why it really matters is They're cheap. You know why they're cheap? Because you don't have to pay a driver. Now, I'm sorry for Uber drivers and taxi drivers and everything else, but look, people are trying to save money. It's the most extraordinary thing, and I think they're now in Los Angeles. I think they have Waymo vehicles in Las Vegas, maybe Atlanta. Somebody told me, Austin, I wish these things were everywhere. I'm telling you what, you could get your work done. You know, you can't be on your phone while you're driving your car. And even in a Tesla, if you're self-driving, it'll catch you if you're on your phone because it knows. A Waymo? Text away. Get out your laptop. It's doing all the driving for you while you sit in the back seat. It is incredible. Waymo is the name of it. It's the coolest thing ever. So I sent Phil out today. Of course, the funny part was it was in my name. And I realized in horror Phil put his suitcase in the trunk and you have to open the trunk from your app because it's all done on the app. And I realized when Phil got to the airport, he won't be able to get his bag out of the trunk. And I'm sitting here in the studio doing the M&M experience with Mark Davis. So while I'm talking to Mark, I'm tracking Phil's arrival at the airport in Phoenix, and then I had to open the trunk from the app at just the right time. Phil probably thought it did it automatically. I think it might once you put a bag in the trunk. It might open it automatically. Anyway, it's the coolest thing ever. one of the many benefits of visiting Phoenix, Arizona. What an incredible moment to see the President of the United States walk out to the podium and pay tribute to a young man who many acknowledge is probably the reason Donald Trump was re-elected. If it wasn't for Turning Point USA and Charlie's efforts to mobilize millions of young people all over the country, we'd probably be stuck with President Kamala Harris. Here was the 45th and 47th president yesterday paying tribute to his friend, Charlie Kirk.
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To Charlie's parents who lost their beloved son and to the entire Kirk family, we know that no words can ever be enough to fill the void he leaves behind. That's a void that just can't be filled. But I hope the extraordinary outpouring of emotion over these past 11 days has comforted you with the knowledge that your son brought more good and love into this world in his 31 short years. than most people, even very, very successful people, can bring in a lifetime. Charlie Kirk loved America with everything he had. And as we can see so clearly today, America loved Charlie Kirk.
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And finally, finally, the moment that everybody is talking about, as we endeavor today to play every single speaker for you on our coverage, Charlie's grieving widow, who now is going to take over the helm of Turning Point as the CEO. And the crowd gasped. when she expressed the Christian tenet of forgiveness for the monster who slaughtered her husband.
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My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life. that young man that young man on the cross our savior said father forgive them for they not know what they do that man that young man I forgive him I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love. Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
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What an extraordinary young woman who now is faced with the unthinkable task of raising her two children, one and three, on her own. Incidentally, somebody, one of the speakers mentioned the kids' names. Charlie was always so protective of them. And I know Erica will be, too. And we're praying for her. We're praying for the entire Kirk family. And I'm glad President Trump... acknowledged Charlie's parents because they're often sort of forgotten in all this. They're grieving too. The nation grieves.
In this episode, Scott Watley hosts a riveting discussion with Greg Lopez about the pressing issue of wolf reintroduction in Colorado. Uncover the intricacies of the federal involvement and the role of Colorado Parks and Wildlife, as Lopez sheds light on misinformation surrounding the program's execution. Furthermore, get an update on Greg's gubernatorial campaign and his efforts to pause improper translocation activities, advocating for a year-long reassessment to correct course without disrupting the ongoing program.
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Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado, Colorado's premier outdoor radio show heard every Saturday afternoon on KLZ 560 with insights on hunting, fishing, archery, guns, and ammo from Colorado's top outfitters featuring the industry's leading experts on how to enhance your experience in the great outdoors. Now, here's your host, Scott Watley.
SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome to the show. Glad you are with us today. We're going to kick things off with our good buddy, Anthony Pace. It's freedomhunters.org. Great organization. Been familiar with for several years. I know over the last couple of years, we've gotten to do some events together. And I want to get Anthony Pace back on with us as I've got a few things going on we want to let our listening audience know about. So, Anthony, welcome, sir. How are you, my friend?
SPEAKER 15 :
Doing great, Scott. Man, I appreciate you getting us on air and letting us talk a little bit about what we're doing.
SPEAKER 06 :
You bet, you bet. So for those that have not heard you on the shows before, and you're on our Sportsman of Colorado show as well as Haystack Help Radio, tell us how this kind of came about. You know, I always like to hear those stories of how something came to fruition, so to speak. So how did Freedom Hunters come about?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, well, I happened to be having dinner with a friend of mine in the industry, and we were talking about – how to support the troops and pretty much went home that night and came up with the idea of Freedom Hunters and been running with it ever since.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow, that's cool. And, you know, that seems to have really spurred a lot because there are a ton of organizations now. But I would tell people this, and, hey, I don't think you would mind me even saying this, but, you know, there's nothing wrong with checking out organizations. You know what I mean? Just make sure their mission is what it should be. And, you know, you guys have just done a terrific job here. And, you know, man, just watching some of the folks and being around some of those folks this year, a couple of different events with you and everything, man, we don't really understand for those of us that have never been in service, you know, of really what they've gone through. And, hey, some of them, you know, have been in battle. Some have not. But you know what? I always tell everybody they still sign that dotted line, so to speak, to, hey, I want to help our country. That's the way I look at it.
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Absolutely. Our mission is to serve all that have served or are currently serving. We work with veterans. We work with active duty. We work with families of the fallen, kids of those that are serving as well. It's the whole family that serves. Again, not everybody serves in combat, but it takes the whole operation to make it work, from guys doing logistics back at home to you know, guys that are kicking indoors on the front lines. So it's, you know, they're a special breed, and I think they should hold a special place in everyone's heart.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. All right. Tell us about some of the events that, you know, you've done. I mean, hey, we're in almost the last quarter here. So tell us what's gone on throughout the year for you guys.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, so far we've had over 640 veterans out. doing everything from fishing trips to out shooting to hunting. You know, the hunting season is just now really kicking off, but, you know, we've been to British Columbia hunting bears. We've, you know, been doing some waterfowl stuff and dove hunting, so a little bit of everything right now, and you know, most of the big game stuff is kicking off. So we'll really be hitting it in high gear here in the next few weeks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I saw some of the bear pictures there. Those were pretty cool, man.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it was nice. We had eight veterans up there and all eight were able to take bears. And again, that's a special place up there. It's just the scenery is amazing. You know, this year, I think The bear count that they saw was a little low. I think they only saw like 60 bears.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow. How cool is that? If you're just joining us, Anthony Pace is with us, and he's the founder of FreedomHunters.org. All right. A week or so ago, you told me about something that's really cool, and I believe it's called Benelli Invitational?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, sir. So this is the 11th annual Benelli Invitational event. They've been putting on a sporting clay shoot for us, raising money for the last 11 years. This one is great. I think this year we should break over a million dollars that Benelli's raised for us in those 11 years. Kind of a special mark to hit that. They've always done such a great job. Great partners. They've been out with us. Everybody from gunsmiths to uh, the, uh, CEO have been out with us on, on hunts with our veterans and, uh, they do take it, you know, very serious about, uh, supporting us and, um, just so proud of that relationship that we've had over these long years. Now this one, where's this one being held? This is out in Maryland. It's at, uh, the Pentel point, um, out in Queenstown, Maryland. Um, so it's, uh, It's been sold out for several weeks now, but the nice part is we've got the online auction that everybody can support across the country.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Now, is what you sent me the link to give out? Yes, sir. Okay, so I believe it's Benelli25.givesmart.com. Does that sound correct? Yeah, that sounds correct. So Benelli, B-E-N-E-L-L-I 25.givesmart.com. And man, looking on there, bud, there's some There's quite an array of things there. When you go to that, you'll see something about the clay shoot, and then you'll see browse, bid, and buy. And you can view items on there. And so I'll let you kind of say what you'd like to just about the auction itself.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sure. And if you've got a problem getting to that, I know it's hard to write down information on websites, but if you go to freedomhunters.org, we've got links to that. But, you know, we've got... I mean, we've got hunting trips all across the country and some international stuff. We've got a great duck hunt down at Mossy Pond in Georgia. And with that comes your own dog. So they've got a trained puppy for you. We've got habitat flats in Missouri. We've got duck hunts in Washington State and down in Arkansas. I've got an upland hunt in England. We've got big game hunts in Africa and Argentina. So if you can't find an adventure that you want to go on there, man, you've got something wrong with you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Man, no doubt.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, firearms from, you know, Benelli, Stoger, Franke, you know, Springfield, Daniel Defense.
SPEAKER 06 :
I was just about to say Daniel Defense. I'm looking at it right now, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, so it's – and we've got just about anything and everything from knives to, you know, backpacking gear. Yeah, some good optics.
SPEAKER 06 :
Some good optics as well. Absolutely. Yeah, Burris and Steiner and a lot of things on here. So, yeah, I'm telling you, a great array of there. And that will be closing out the 26th, is that correct?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, noon. Denver time.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, noon on the 26th. All right, good deal. Yeah, they've got a crossbow. I mean, man, all kinds of stuff. Waiters. I'm just shopping here for a minute, but, hey, a lot of great things there. And, folks, hey, here's an example. Here's a Benelli Super Black Eagle III, all right, and the fair market value is $21.79. Now, look, we all like to get a good deal, but that's not the deal here, right? Hey, we want you to help out this organization, freedomhunters.org. And right now, like that, just one item I'm looking at, it's got a bid of $550. So, hey, throw $1,000 on there and let's help them out at freedomhunters.org. And I assure you this money is well used. And, Anthony, you know, I've said this to many times now being around you guys. Sometimes you're around some of the, you know, men and women, you know, that have served our country, and you're thinking, well, man, they've retired from the military, whatever. And they look fine on the outside, but we don't know any of their stories of what they've been through, what they've seen, and the internal injuries, so to speak, mentally, physically, all the different things. And you're right, man, we owe every one of them so much for the freedoms that we have today. But it is something when you get to see, and I'm sure you could take an hour and just talk about different stories of how people have come to you and said what some of these adventures have meant to them to get out. So I don't know if any one particular one comes to mind or any recent one comes to mind, but anything else you'd like to add to that?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. You know, you, you do hear the stories of, um, opportunities like we have and whether it's a half day fishing trip or back country, all kind. Um, You know, the opportunity to get the guys outdoors and engaged and off the couch has saved lives. And we've heard those stories, you know, all across the country, different volunteers that we have. You know, we'll hear back from veterans that, you know, say, hey, I was that person with a, you know, pistol underneath my pillow, you know, waiting to take my life. And I got the call or the e-mail. you know, asking us out on an adventure and, and it, and it changed their lives. And, you know, for every one of those that we get, you know, how many others, uh, our stories that the guys just never really come out and, you know, confess where, where they're at and the demons that they're fighting and let you know, you know, that it did change their lives. Yeah. So, you know, those opportunities, uh, again, whatever they are, um, can make a huge difference. And, you know, again, thanks to people who, who go on the auctions and, and support us, um, throughout the year. Um, you know, you are making a difference.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, for sure. Now, freedom hunters.org, that's a place where people go find out all about your adventures. Um, if someone wants to nominate someone for one of your adventures, they can just go on there. And I think it says apply for an adventure.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. So you, you can do that for someone or, you know, a veteran can apply for themselves.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
But that's where it starts is, you know, we've, we've got a database of warriors all across the country and, uh, you know, we try to pick the right opportunity for, for that veteran, whether, you know, they've, they've got a mobility, this, uh, uh, disability where, where they have an issue with mobility. Um, or whether it's somebody that's able-bodied. And we try to, again, fit the right person for that adventure.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, right. And there's also a place people can donate. I mean, I guess that's the biggest thing that we need help with is just funds because these adventures are not cheap. I mean, everything's expensive nowadays, but especially these things in the outdoors. And people can do that, I think, as a one-time gift or monthly, right? Yes, sir. Yeah, either way. Okay. All right, it's freedomhunters.org. And once again, let me get to my message here and give you the information on this awesome auction here. It's the Benelli Invitational. It's in Maryland. Again, I realize that's a long ways from here, but it's already sold out anyway. But the big thing we wanted to get Anthony on for was wanting to let you know about freedomhunters.org if you're not familiar with them. And then also Benelli, B-E-N-E-L-L-I 25.givesmart.com. And that will close noon our time on September 26th, that Friday. So don't waste time. Get in there and bid on some items. And as Anthony said, there's quite an array from all kinds of firearms, optics, trips, you name it. Everything is in there. Anthony, as always, man, we appreciate it. And man, thank you for what you do. I know this is a life mission, it seems for you. So man, thanks for all the time you've given to this. And man, we appreciate it. And I know the veterans that you've helped do as well. So we appreciate it, bud.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, Scott, I sure appreciate your support. I know how much you do support those that serve. So Thank you again for all you do and getting the word out there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, man, we're happy to and honored to do so. So we appreciate it. Check out freedomhunters.org. And, hey, folks, hey, you know what? Pretty much all of us, and I know things are tight and things are expensive, but, you know, hey, $25 a month? Hey, go on and do that and just give a monthly gift of $25, a couple of less trips to Starbucks, whatever the case may be. and really make some changes in people's lives and help them. And again, we're helping those that have helped us and served our country. So freedomhunters.org. We've got to hit a quick break, and we'll be back with more right after this.
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This is KLZ 560 AM, your home station.
SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for being with us today. Well, it's always a privilege and honor to have Greg Lopez with us, former U.S. Congressman and a gubernatorial candidate to be your next governor here in Colorado. So, Greg, thanks again for being with us. How are you, my friend?
SPEAKER 13 :
I'm doing good, Scott. Hey, it's always a pleasure to be on your show with you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, man, I appreciate it. I tell you, we've been doing this for like five years together, man. So, hey, it's awesome. Hey, so update us a little bit on your campaign and some of your recent stops around, and then I wanted to get into a specific topic with you, but kind of give us an update.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, look, you know, I've been traveling the state. I've been addressing certain issues. One of the things that I've been doing is focusing a lot with, different groups and organizations visiting with them that are not necessarily politically driven, right? These are nonprofit organizations. And I've been spending a lot of time in Denver, believe it or not, talking to a lot of different groups that are concerned about the quality of life that Denver has to offer you, right? The cost of living and so forth. And so, you know, the campaign's going well, you know, Always encouraging people to go to my website, greglopez.co, and think about making a contribution and those types of things. This is the coming of the end of the second quarter of the year. It's like it's here so fast, right? Every morning it gets a little chillier. It sure does. Yeah, but no, things are going well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, good, good. Hey, you and I have talked quite a bit about this and you just sent me something just the other day and that's why I wanted to get you on to let you update our listeners a little bit because I think many of us, and I'll say it that way, many of us have thought this wolf issue in our state was a thousand percent on the shoulders of our Colorado Parks and Wildlife. And so we stand corrected and I want you to update our listening audience about this and some things that you're looking into and some things you're not only looking into, but some things you're doing right now.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, you know, Scott, you're absolutely right. Look, we all know that the reintroduction of the wolf was probably not introduced correctly through a ballot initiative that barely passed, you know, and then it was rushed. You know, CPW rushed it, which, okay, you know, those are the things that happen. But There is a misinformation out there that everybody believes that it's the state of Colorado and Colorado Parks and Wildlife that are making all the decisions as it pertains to the reintroduction of the wolf. And I'm here to tell people that's not correct. That is not true. Colorado Parks and Wildlife works as an agent for the United States Fish and Wildlife Service. And their job the federal life service, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service, is to oversee the Endangered Species Act. So they are the final decision makers of what happens with the gray wolf here in Colorado. It is not CPW. CPW has been identified as an agent, and that's a key word, as an agent of the United States Fish and Wildlife to implement not only the federal rules, but also to implement the management plan that they presented to the federal agency on how they were going to manage the wolf. And the United States Fish and Wildlife approved that plan. So if they're violating the plan, then they're violating the relationship with the agency. If they're violating what's happened, what they stated in the 10-J rule, which everybody's familiar with, then they're in violation of the relationship with the agency. The biggest violation that has occurred is that unilaterally, all by itself, it appears that CPW went outside of the continental United States to bring wolves from Canada into the United States. Nowhere, nowhere. in the endangered species act or the 10 J rule or the memorandum of agreement, does it grant them the authority to do that? And yet they did it. And so I'm holding the federal agency accountable for the poor behavior and the poor mismanagement of what CPW is doing because they are an extension of the agency. So it's up to the agency to fix the matter, and all I'm asking for is for a one-year pause on the translocation of more wolves. I'm not asking them to change their management plan. I'm not asking them to rewrite the 10-day rule. I'm reminding them that there are some problems, and by a pause, it's not going to hurt the success of the reintroduction program. It doesn't fly in the face of the voters of Colorado because the program is still active. And CPW still has to manage the wolves that are currently walking within the state of Colorado.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. If you're just joining us, Greg Lopez is with us, again, gubernatorial candidate to be our next governor here in the state of Colorado. So just like with any contract, pretty much, so correct me where you need to, you hire me to do something. The rules are laid out of how I'm supposed to do that. If I don't follow those rules, then you have the right then to negate that contract and agreement, correct? Correct.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's correct. That's correct. And if you read the 10-J rule, the 10-J rule clearly articulates that the agency can terminate the United States Fish and Wildlife, can remove CPW from being an agent with 90 days notice. And then you read the MOA, which is the memorandum of agreement. In the memorandum of agreement that is signed by both parties, it says that they can... cancel the agreement within 60 days' notice. And I'm not asking them to cancel anything. All I'm asking them to do is do not bring more wolves into Colorado until you solve the problems that are currently happening so that when you do choose to bring more, you have a better management handle on how you're going to manage the wolf. That's it.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you spend a lot of time talking to a lot of ranchers, haven't you?
SPEAKER 13 :
I did. I did. You know what? I saw, I went to different producers. I spent time on their property. They showed me some of the dens. They showed me some of the rendezvous areas. You know, I literally spent a lot of time on this issue. And the reason I'm doing this, Scott, you know, is because, you know what, not only am I running for governor, and this is exactly what a governor or candidate should be doing, is when you're out there and you're seeing problems, you should try to solve them. You don't need a title to make a difference. You know, why would I wait, you know, for another 16 months before I engage on an issue that is hurting families, hurting the economy, undermining the, you know, the long generational operations here in Colorado? I'm not. You know, and so These are the things that I focus in on, right? I'm putting people over politics. I'm not playing the political game. I'm fighting for the producers and the small business owners and the economy. And a lot of people don't even understand that this is impacting outfitters, hikers, campers. It's impacting everybody. And yet it takes true leadership to step into this area and say, enough, enough. It's time for us to reevaluate what we're doing. And a lot of people don't know this, Scott. You know, it is legally the terminology that's utilized in the contract is the wolf is considered here in Colorado by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service as a, listen to this, as a non-essential experimental population. What that means is that, you know what? It doesn't matter whether the wolf survives here in Colorado or not, because it's not going to undermine the success of the species within the United States. It's not. And the other thing that people don't realize is, you know, a lot of people think, Scott, that the wolves will only be on the western slope. No! You know, what people misunderstood is that that's where they're going to be released. But... The state of Colorado asked the federal agency to identify the entire state of Colorado to be the environment by which the wolf can exist. And the tracker shows it's been in Boulder County. It's been in Jefferson County. And so when it starts migrating east, because they want to have anywhere from 200 wolves up to 1,000 wolves. living in Colorado. These wolves are going to create their own territory and their own area by which they will hunt and survive.
SPEAKER 06 :
Is what you're understanding as you visit with people that they thought the only place they could be released is in some certain areas in the West?
SPEAKER 13 :
Here's the thing. No, yes, release.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, release.
SPEAKER 13 :
Not live. There's a difference, right? So people don't understand that if you see a wolf, if you're out there camping, if you're out there hiking, and a wolf decides to attack your dog because a dog chases it, you cannot kill a wolf. You cannot do anything to that wolf. Right. You must watch that wolf kill your dog. And a lot of people don't understand that. Now, here's the latest. And I got this from... information that the Copper Creek Pack, this is the pack that's been known and been classified as a chronic depredator that is eating and killing calves, cows, and sheep. Well, they're back. They're back at Lost Marble Ranch. They're back at the den, and they're back at the rendezvous pass, the rendezvous area. So what does that tell you? They tell you that they come down the mountain and they're going to start to survive. They're going to kill cows.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 13 :
And yet, CPW has no idea on how they're going to manage that. They have no clue. That's what I'm talking about, mismanagement. And this is where I'm confident and I'm hopeful that the regional director, Matt Hogan, that's his name, Matt Hogan, the regional director of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service for this region, has full authority to say we're not bringing any more wolves until we solve these problems.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
And that's what I want him to do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. Folks, I'm telling you. And I know you see a lot of names, you know, that are going to be running for governor and all. And if you have not made yourself familiar with Greg Lopez, I highly suggest you do. GregLopez.co. And, Greg, any upcoming events that we need to mention or next few weeks we can, if there's nothing on the agenda right now where folks can come to and meet you and see you?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a busy calendar.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. You're everywhere.
SPEAKER 13 :
I can tell you this. You know what? I'm going to be out in Routt County, out in Steamboat, next Saturday on the 27th. Okay. You know, talking to people and engaging with the community. I may be... There's plans right now that are being... They're trying to solidify that Friday I may be in Glenwood Springs, in Pitkin County, in Eagle County, and, you know, talking to them.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right.
SPEAKER 13 :
And then... Sunday, I may be in Gunnison talking to what's happening with the producers and so forth. But I will tell you this. On October 2nd, I am scheduled to be in a gubernatorial forum at the Denver Press Club downtown. And that is a debate forum, and it's open to the public. So if you want to see all the candidates out there, October 2nd, at the Denver Press Club is where the event's going to happen. We're going to put that on our website, but yes, those are just some of the ones that are kind of on the forefront in my mind right now is all the activity that's going on.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, good deal. Folks, go check out greglopez.co. Hey, if you're so inclined, please make a donation. If you need to know more about Greg, get in touch with me here. We'll try to help you, and we're doing everything we can just on a personal level here and again this is just me speaking not the station whatever Greg's our guy so hey we want to see him be our next governor here in the state of Colorado so Greg thanks for all you're doing there thanks for keeping us informed and as things progress please let me know and we'll get you back on sir sounds great hey you have a great weekend all right you as well that is gubernatorial candidate and former congressman Greg Lopez we got to hit a quick break and we'll be back with more right after this
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SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to Sportsman of Colorado. Thank you so much for being with us today. All right, we're going to go to the phones now and talk to our good buddy, Henry Ferguson. And Henry has had quite the September and wanted to get him on here for the day because, man, so happy for him. We all know the Moose tag is a hard, hard thing to get here in Colorado. And Henry had some great success in the draw and in the field. So, Henry, welcome to the show. How are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Scott, I couldn't be better.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, you couldn't be, bud.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I'm trying not to be jealous. I'm trying to still be your friend.
SPEAKER 06 :
Crazy. So, man, how many years you put in for a moose tag?
SPEAKER 05 :
I drew it on year 17.
SPEAKER 06 :
Year 17.
SPEAKER 05 :
And honestly, I know how fortunate I was to get it at 17 because – I know a number of guys who have been waiting since the late 80s when they started the Moose applications and still haven't gotten a bull tag. So with that in mind, I was absolutely determined to go out there and give it everything I possibly could. Just, you know, leave it all on the field, so to speak, you know. Right. Scout like crazy and just have fun and enjoy the process.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. So let's start there. What are a few tips you would give? Because, you know, like you say, we all put in, but we never expect to get it right. Then all of a sudden you get it, and then what do you do?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I'll tell you what, Scott. I think it's real simple. Wait for good fortune. That's what worked for me. But really, I've heard a lot of people say that the hardest part about killing a moose in Colorado is getting the tag. And I don't know that that necessarily is true, but it definitely is one of the more difficult parts of it. you know, once you get that tag, you just got to get out there and start learning that country. The beauty of, of having a moose tag or any of the once in a lifetime tags is that people tend to be real, real generous with, you know, helping you out on, on spots and, you know, and then CPW has a bunch of historical data too, that is, is really great, but it's just kind of interesting. I mean, you know, there's such a, it's like drinking from a fire hose though, really, because there's, there's just so much to learn. It's a new species. I hadn't ever really spent a lot of time around moose. So I had a lot to learn. I felt like I was kind of starting at ground zero, but, you know, just spent a lot of time out there, a lot of time looking at moose and, you know, trying to figure out what, uh, what a big moose looked like. And that's, that's kind of what it boiled down to, you know, I, And just spend a lot of time out there. Right. A lot of time up in the mountains this year.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. So was your goal in mind when you went? You wanted a particular look from the moose?
SPEAKER 05 :
That's the perfect way of phrasing it, Scott. I had a particular look I was looking for. I wanted... I wanted something wide. I wanted something with significant paddles. And I wanted something with good front end. I told a buddy of mine, I was chasing a real, real big bull opening weekend. And I just absolutely blew an opportunity. And over the next five days of looking for him, I never saw him again. So... But my buddy asked me, he goes, what do you think that bull scores? And I said, I have absolutely no idea because I have not spent one moment learning how to score moose. He said, you know, you ask me what a deer scores, I can tell you what the deer is going to score. But I just have not spent any time thinking about that on moose because I just wanted to enjoy the process. And when I saw a moose that really got me excited... don't try to make it happen, you know? Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, how many days would you think, um, that you spent scouting just to show people you put in the work?
SPEAKER 05 :
I was thinking about that the other day and I wish I would have counted it. Um, and you know, I, I, I was able to get to my hunt unit in about two hours. So I did some mornings and some evenings. Sure. Conservatively conservatively 25 to 30. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I spent a lot of time up there and I was, you know, some of that was learning how to, you know, learning where moose call home. Um, some of it was looking at moose and trying to figure out again, like I said, you know, what a, what a good moose looks like so that I could be ready when the time came. And, you know, some of it was just Man, some of it was just looking at terrain and finding out where they aren't as much as where they are. Sure. And you were archery, correct? So I had a season choice tag, and I actually shot them during muzzleloader season, but I did shoot them with my bow. Right. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. So tactic-wise, like hunting any other animal that you do with elk and deer?
SPEAKER 05 :
So that's the funny thing. I hunted them— I tried to hunt them like a deer because that's what I know how to do. I mean, I'm not a good caller. I'm just not somebody who's good at talking to the animals. So I think that's why I've naturally gravitated towards deer hunting in the past. But, yeah, I went out with a friend of mine, Ramon Fontanez, and we went out the day I shot that moose, and he called in a bull right at first light. because we saw a cow bed, and I'll be honest, Scott, I almost shot that bull because it was going to be about 200 yards from the truck, and that sounded like the dream packhouse scenario. And so I drew back on that bull twice, and I did kind of consider it, and I'm like, no, it's still real early. I've still got a lot of time. Everybody kept telling me, the experienced guys kept telling me that they're the hunt got better as the season went on because that rut kicks in. And so, yeah, he called that thing into 28 yards for me and that was pretty neat, but you know, just wasn't the bull I was looking for. So that evening we ended up in a totally different spot where I'd this basin that I'd been looking at a cow or two in there over the, over the summer. And just with the idea that, man, if they're in there, if that cow's still in there, surely that bull's got to be coming. So sure enough, the bull popped up, and we were literally walking out at the end of the evening. We were done. And yeah, it just so happened, we're about 50 yards into our mile-and-a-half walk back to the truck, and when we looked up and there was a moose. And so got a little better look at it and said, man, that's a shooter. I'd love to take that ball. And, I mean, it took me literally about two seconds to make that determination because, you know, he had the width, had the battle, had the front end.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you can look at our Sportsman of Colorado radio page. We posted a picture of Henry with that moose on our page today to promote Henry's appearance on the show today. All right, so for the archery folks that are interested, walk us through your gear a little bit, your arrows, your broadhead, and your bow.
SPEAKER 05 :
You bet. So I was shooting a Hoyt RX-9 Ultra. I think I was shooting, like, right at 70 pounds. And I was shooting an Easton 5.0 Arrow and a Grim Reaper 1-3 8-inch Pro Series Mechanical. And it... As far as most moose hunters are concerned, that arrow's way too light. That's not a good moose setup, but he went 25 yards.
SPEAKER 07 :
I was starting to say, it was effective.
SPEAKER 05 :
It worked. Yeah, it was just kind of one of those dream come true moments, man. I mean, when you literally watch him drop, it just doesn't get much better than that. Yeah. man and you know elk a big animal moose built totally different but another big animal i had a friend who hunted uh hunted moose like four or five years ago and he said hey when you see it on the ground for the first time he goes you're going to be looking at a clydesdale with paddles yeah and that was the absolute perfect description of it because we walked up there And Ramon and I are both very experienced with big game, and he's killed a ton of elk. I've been on enough elk that I've killed four or five of them myself and family and friends. But, man, when you see that thing laying there, that's like an elk and a quarter or something or an elk and a half. I don't know. It was big. Wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, man, that is so cool. And then skipping a few weeks ahead of that, got you a nice buck.
SPEAKER 05 :
I did. You know, like I said, that's usually my focus. I always want to get a big deer. And with all my moose scouting this year, I'd only gotten out scouting for deer I think three times before the season. And fortunately had a couple of good bucks picked out, one of them. I knew it was going to be a long shot, and one of them was a big – I mean, I call him a big three-point, but he basically was a four-point, but just had crab-clawed fronts. But I saw this buck last year. He was a big three, and I'd love to get those bucks off the landscape before the rut. So, yeah, on day one, I told myself I've got one to two days to go out and get a deer before I need to get back up there and start trying to pin down an elk before the season. And it just so happened on the first morning I was out, and this is just a testament to good scouting. I spent a lot of time out there and knew their patterns pretty well. But a little bit of luck did play into it because when I – literally sat down, put my binoculars on the tripod, and it took me about 10 seconds to find that deer bedded. And so I snuck in on him that morning and just had a doe and fawn walk around some aspens just as I was really close to getting in range. And that doe sat there and blew at me from a I don't know, 15, 20 feet away, three times real loud. And so I peeked up over the saddle where those bucks were supposed to be bedded like 30 yards away and they were 130 yards away. So I just watched them and watched where they went and they fed over a couple of ridges and, you know, kind of, they kind of ran over the first ridge or two and then just kind of slowly fed up the third ridge. And when I saw him there, They sat there for like 20, 30 minutes looking back to see what had spooked them because they didn't ever really know. They just knew that doe blew and was obviously concerned. So I just – I waited for a little bit, went back and shot a couple arrows through my bow and had some lunch and then made a move over there to the other side of that ridge that they had disappeared over. And sure enough, I found one of them up feeding it like one – 1 or 1.30 in the afternoon. And it just happened to be the buck I was after. So with no hesitation, I went ahead and shot him. And that was with the exact same setup that I hunted moose with.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And you know, so many times, man, I know guys that 10 o'clock in the morning, they hadn't done something, they go in, go back out at, you know, 4 o'clock. A lot of animals kill between 10 and 3 in their...
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you are absolutely right. And I think, man, all of my biggest deer have come during that time period. During that, you know, usually 11 to 4 is kind of where I tend to kill most of the deer. So, you know, especially if you watch them bad, sometimes they won't be in that first bed very long. I tend to kill... most of my deer getting up out of their first bed but you know a lot of people want to hunt them in that second bed so yeah for sure yeah stay out there hey the season's short yeah no doubt speaking the season's short the rest of the year to regret it is long absolutely hey i want to mention something here real quick and we've only got about three or four minutes here but
SPEAKER 06 :
Man, some tragic news out of southern Colorado. Two young hunters, Andrew Porter from Asheville, North Carolina, Ian Stasko from Salt Lake City, both guys 25 years old. And I don't, you know, none of us really know what happened as of yet. But, you know, certainly unusual story of, you know, these two guys lost their lives there. Yeah. It is just a reminder. And, again, I'm not being critical of them because I don't know what happened and what happens. Oh, yeah, for sure. But I'm just saying this as a reminder to all. Man, you get out. And it doesn't even have to be really, you know, so-called the backcountry. Now, this was not an easy unit to hunt in. There are some treacherous areas in this unit. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah. But, man, you just got to be prepared. And, you know, my dad always taught me, and I'll let you comment here too, but, you know, when I was younger, man, I'd say, I'm just going to leave my pack right here, and then I'm going to go up here and try to get on that animal. And he'd say, son, don't leave it because you never know where you're going. You're thinking you're going to start tracking an animal, and all of a sudden you don't know where you are. So any thoughts you may have on this?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. I mean, first of all, this has been a tough pill for me to swallow because you know my son, Kyle, and he's off of college right now, and he's hunting his own unit in another part of the state. And I mean, the reality of this situation has hit me very, very hard, and it's hit my wife very, very hard as well. just an absolute tragedy. And I, I mean, you know, people will say, Hey, at least they died doing what they love. Well, okay. I guess I could kind of see that to some extent, but one of those young men was engaged to be married next year. Yeah. It's all just been cut short and it's, it's a, it's regardless of what happened, it is an absolute tragedy. And, you know, it's up to us as hunters to, uh, to learn from that tragedy and try to prevent that from happening to us in the future and happening to more people in the future. It's my gosh, I just hope that those families can find some peace in this, in this situation. I mean, what a, what an absolute tragedy. I mean, you know, these are young bow hunters. They're out doing what, what I love to do, what I live for. I live for the month of September and, just as they did. It's just an unspeakable tragedy. I just encourage everybody, if they set up a GoFundMe or anything, to try to help out in any way you can.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, for sure. Man, something just hit my phone here. A search and rescue crew from Gunnison County rescued a lost hunter who was hypothermic in the Gunnison National Forest on Friday evening. He was soaked by storms and snow. called for help around 9 18 p.m and he did have a blanket wrapped around him but and i'm thinking from just what i'm reading that's kind of what happened with these guys but again i don't know that for sure so yeah i just don't know but but just be prepared yeah the weather is so tricky this time it will from here forward really oh absolutely is our worst enemy out there quite often you know and just something that
SPEAKER 05 :
need to be prepared and be ready for as many of these situations as we can.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and certainly our prayers are with these families for sure. Absolutely. Well, Henry, congrats, man. I just want to get you on a few minutes today. Super happy for you and ready for some moose chili, bud, so you let me know.
SPEAKER 05 :
We'll have you and Victoria over for moose.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, man, you got it. Can't wait. All right, bud, we'll be in touch.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thanks, Scott. All right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. All right. I want to thank all of our guests today, Anthony Pace, gubernatorial candidate Greg Lopez, and my good buddy Henry Ferguson. Hope you have a great rest of your weekend, and we will talk to you next week.
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