Our conversation continues as we explore the murky waters of foreign influence on American academic institutions. Discover how billions of dollars from countries like Qatar and China are pouring into universities and what that means for the intellectual climate on campuses around the U.S. Are these donations shaping a new form of soft power, and could it be seen as a national security issue? We bring you the facts and ask the hard questions.
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So a, I'm not saying this, a teaching assistant charged after allegedly using a fecal spray at a high school. They're claiming damages to the AC system. So it's like, yeah. He had this spray. He was a teaching assistant who was arrested. He used this spray. poo spray to create a foul odor at a South Carolina high school. 32-year-old teaching assistant allegedly sprayed it to imitate fecal matter while at school multiple times. He acquired it online. People apparently had to seek medical attention and had respiratory issues. And then they had to spend $55,000 to inspect its AC and look at damages. So he's charged with disturbing schools and malicious property. Okay, here's the big thing. Why? Why did he do it? I need to know this because I've seen videos on Instagram where they spray them into this inflatable costumes and then everybody laughs. Yeah, so they said that they're still investigating the situation, but it's been two days, so you can't. Come on. Why? They said it really disrupted. None of the articles I'm seeing, I guess, was he doing it to be a jerk? I don't know.
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When I was a kid, we used to... Play with that stuff.
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Did you send anyone to the hospital?
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No, nobody was whining.
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A Florida man shot a bear that was, a lot of bear stories, hiding in his shower. It was an actual bear animal. A central Florida man came face to face with a home intruder, but it was a bear. It was in his shower. It was hiding in his shower. And he literally said that he thought there was an intruder in his bathroom. He was panicking. His dogs were barking. The bear ran into the bathroom and got into the shower and was literally hiding there. And he thought it took him a second to figure out what was happening, but he shot the bear. And unfortunately, the bear did not make it. Florida Fish and Wildlife, they said, be vigilant, don't leave food out, etc., etc. But, I mean, the bear was in his shower, went into his house and hid his shower. This is not like a case of camping. He was, again, the nice one. But I was thinking about all of this in context with the... pressure that foreign money plays into all of these colleges and universities across the country. Did you know that the biggest funder to American universities is Qatar? Billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars they have given. And it's interesting because if you look at where all the money, which I'm looking at now, if you look at where all they give their money is, It's very interesting that that's where all like, for instance, you know, the protests where they were going after all the Jewish students. It's kind of interesting that those were the universities where they got the most money from Qatar. I'm just saying it just could be Kane. I'm sure a total coincidence. It's and there are a lot of things that have been written about this. And it's not just Qatar. China is as well. But Qatar is the biggest donor of two American universities. And so allow that. to kind of sit in your head for a little bit when you are wondering why is it that all of this stuff, like with the anti-Semitic protests, where they actually were targeting people for being Jewish, they weren't like, well, we disagree with the Israeli government. They can't even tell you how it's structured. They just were mad because of, to Jews, that's it. But, Think about how that really got kicked off and why it seems like it was expedited to this point. And then look at all the money that these these companies or these countries have been pouring in. China and Qatar, they've poured just over the past few years. It's been like twenty nine billion. $29 billion. Foreign donors have given as much to American universities just like in the last handful of years as they did in the last, like in the last four years, they've given as much as they did in the last four decades. So take four decades and condense it down into four years. There is an absolute amount I mean, an explosion of foreign money on campuses. Qatar is the largest source. And all of these donations to these campuses, all of this started to get reported like in the 80s. They have given over $6 billion. China's $2.3 billion. The Saudis are like way below. But I mean, Qatar is the largest source of all of this foreign money to these campuses. Now, the second largest source of foreign funding is China. So I told you that Qatar, 6.3 billion and counting. China is 5.6 billion and counting. And just like you saw with Qatar, the donations from China have exploded over the past several years. And Again, the universities where you saw all of the upheaval, where you couldn't even have TPUSA go on campus hardly, the Harvards, the Columbias. Oh, guess who? Those are the ones that get the most money from China and Qatar. In fact, every single one of these universities where you that you have seen in the headlines where the students are like writing or they're they're protesting to the extent where it's not safe for conservative speakers to even leave the campus and they have to hide in janitorial closets. Those are all the campuses that have received tons. Those are all the universities that have tons of Qatari and Chinese money. Oh, it's a fact. The receipts are out. Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, Stanford, Columbia, Harvard, lots of them. Why? Because it's soft power. It's to build soft power. They're expanding their influence. If you don't think it's a NatSec issue, I'll remind you every single revolution started in academia. You could even argue French Revolution started in academia. The color revolution in China started in academia. Russia, academia. Germany in the 30s, academia. Started on college campuses. Every single time. Because you have minds that are easily influenced. And there is a huge effort to continue that trend here in the United States. That's why you've been seeing an increase in all of this stuff on college campuses, because there are absolutely outside sources that are funding it. They like the division. They like the hostility spreading on college campuses. And just like in every other nation where this has happened, it goes from there. So now it becomes a national security issue. I had someone say, well, it really isn't. Tell that to China. Because their communist revolution started in their campuses and took over their entire country. And now look. Tell that to 1930s Germany. Tell it to Russia with the Bolsheviks. I mean, dare I go on? It's without exception. So these... This influence is... I mean, and the Qataris, they're all ramping up their donations. We're going to talk a little bit about this to Stephen Yates as well. But it's interesting to note the Free Press had a piece where Harvard didn't comply with Section 117 of the Higher Education Act. They were trying to not disclose all of this foreign financial funding. That seems sketch to the point where it wasn't just like an over – it wasn't just like someone just – forgot accidentally it wasn't just mere oversight it was purposeful and that this is one of the things that the administration is doing they are looking at these connections between foreign money and the uh increasing violence and etc that's happening on college campuses It's not just the Soros stuff. It's these foreign countries that would like to sow division. It's very Sun Tzu. If you can sow division within your opponent, you don't even need to do anything because your opponent will divide in half and fight itself. That's exactly the design. It's a soft power move. And that's why it's a national security issue. I don't even know why I mean, and this is just me just speculating, but why are these universities allowed to accept money from foreign governments? Why? It's not like Harvard needs it. Their endowment is billions of dollars. Why are they accepting or allowed to accept money from foreign governments? I'm not even talking about, oh, here's a charitable group. in United Arab Emirates. We're going to donate. No, no, no. It's like literally the Qatari government. Why are universities allowed to accept money from foreign governments? And you know that they come with strings attached. This is a giant question. And then Berkeley, for instance, remember Berkeley, where you had all of those riots and protests and all this stuff break out. Kane, if you had to guess how much money they had that they got recently with a partnership with the communist Chinese government, literally from China's government, how much would you guess?
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I would say a hundred million or more.
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Double it.
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Seriously.
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Double it and then go up a little bit.
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Yeah. Good Lord.
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Yeah. Yeah. Here's the funny thing. Berkeley refused to report it. The Daily Beast, actually, I can't even believe I'm citing the Daily Beast, which is what the world's come to. They had their headline. This was from May of 23. Berkeley's $220 million mistake exposed in a massive deal with China. So they were trying to get ahead of it and frame it as a mistake. But the people that were investigating the failure to disclose, they didn't really think it was a mistake because they found other purposeful, questionably purposeful omissions. Interesting, yes. So there's a lot of questions to be asked here. And all of this comes together. I was thinking about all of this over this weekend, especially now that people are talking about approaching campus debates and campus events differently in light of security. That I think that right there is the front line. Those college campuses are the front line. And I'm just, you know, I'm curious. I'd be curious to look at money going into that Utah Valley College. Go and look and see all of these universities where the students have gotten more and more agitated and progressive. And it completely corresponds with the massive amount of donations that they get from foreign governments. I'm just saying there is enough there to not only beg the question, but pose a legitimate one. Not even assuming the premise is true. Now you can actually question whether or not it is. It's not even begging the question anymore. It's a legit question. This administration is going to have to get around this. It's our friends over at All Family Pharmacy. It's a great website to use if you want to get your everyday medications, everything that you need, or maybe emergency stuff, maybe antibiotics, maybe you need to get, you know, ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or whatever it is that you need. I've used it for anti-nausea meds. They have Latisse ladies for your eyelashes. I mean, they got everything. You can get everything in like two to four days or overnight in a pinch. And there's no gatekeepers. You get your doctor's prescription, you get your meds, everything is sent to you No hassle. It's super easy and affordable. And the medicines that they have on their website, the ones that they offer, these are all made with precursors inputs. It's all from the USA. So you're not getting any kind of foreign made medications, which I think everybody's questioning anything coming from China at this point. It's affordable, and you can get the stuff that gatekeepers try to block you from, and you can also get everything else shipped straight to your door. You choose your medication, not insurance or risk-averse physicians. Take your medical freedom back. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and use code Dana10 today. That's allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana, code Dana10.
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A bear has attacked a 90-year-old woman in what, well, it did it in a grocery store as well, which is kind of insane. Well, Dollar General store. A 90-year-old woman, a black bear, tore through, this was in New Jersey, and went on a rampage. They had to euthanize it after it attacked. I thought, you never know when you hear bear now and rainbows. I just never know anymore. But they, some of it was caught on video. I just, she had scratches on her legs, like thankfully she wasn't mauled. The bear looks crazy, I gotta say, bear looks crazy. They said that they had a 65 year old that was recording everything that was happening. And apparently you can hear another man say, get the blank away from me. Of course, it's in New Jersey. I just love that he's going to cuss at the bear and make the bear go away. You know, it's like Democrats. You're going to cuss and make people agree with your policies. Anyway, everybody's okay, thankfully. But, well, she was injured. But nobody else. They euthanized the bear. Okay, so a disabled man. This is an insane story. This is horrifying, actually. A disabled man ended up. self-driving robot delivery cart cut off cut him off in traffic and reversed into him he was on a mobility scooter so it was a food delivery robot and apparently there's video that captured it the man who has cerebral palsy was on his way home from a procedure and a serve robotics cart crashed into his mobility scooter that he uses for long distances it's like all over instagram And it literally was almost like it was doing it like it was a jerk. It looked on purpose. I'm sorry this looked on purpose. He screamed as he was trying to zigzag on the sidewalk to avoid the robot's jolting impact. But it literally cut in front of him and then slammed on its brakes. I watched this. dude i'm sorry this robot tried to kill him this robot legit tried to kill this guy don't tell me that they don't do that because one of them committed suicide one of the robots did remember he's in washington where this little security robot was like i'm done with life and rolled itself into a fountain i'm not that actually happened totally happened oh it's i don't know americans have had they have so much car debt apparently could start a 2008 like recession although i think we're already there If I'm being honest, what do you mean start? The soaring cost of cars and insurance, a lot of people are pushed to the financial brink. And now drivers apparently owe $1.6 trillion in car loans. It's a bigger burden than federal student loan debt or credit cards. It's up 20% since 2020. And the squeeze is showing up in a lot of missed car payments, delinquencies, defaults, repossessions, things like that. So it's pretty, pretty wild. But we're already there. Let's see. And apparently, oh, DFW had that's an old one. That's because it's not really in practice anymore. But there have been there was a cyber attack on European airports. Heathrow Heathrow operates like there's a cyber attack on it anyway, every given day. I mean, I've never been to a crazier airport in my life. But apparently they had a lot of problems all over the weekend. Canada, all over Europe as well. The Dublin airport was evacuated because of safety concerns. The check-in and boarding. Of course, you know, imagine Irish people not being able to go in and get on their planes. It might get fighty as we move our partners. who helped bring you the program, Caltech, the PR57. It's a 5.7 rotary barrel pistol, 40% lighter than the next 5.7. The top-loading design replaces traditional mags with stripper clips. You get a slimmer carry profile at 20 plus 1 capacity as well. Super lightweight because of the rotary barrel design and because of the way it loads. It's also super affordable with an MSRP of only $399. Made in America, family-owned, based in Florida. It is the PR57, chambered in 5.7. Concealable 5-7, here it is. It's from Kel-Tec, K-E-L-T-E-C, weapons.com. Tell them Dana sent you. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the bottom of the second hour. The story of Tom Holman, we were talking a little bit about this earlier. I immediately was just like, hmm, don't know if I believe this. Why? And the story is he was accused of being involved in some kind of in a sting. They got him accepting $50,000 in cash to get some government contracts and basically to produce some government contracts. That's kind of that's what the accusation is. And it sounds stupid. Here's why it sounds stupid. You're Tom Homan. You are. You know you're going to have a significant role in the president's administration, correct? You know you're going to have a sizable role in the next admin. Why would you accept a bribe? And yes, this is a lot of money to us, but not to D.C. and people who play in that pit. You're going to take $50,000 in cash and wreck your whole professional life and your chances coming up in the next admin for $50,000 in cash that you can't even live for a year off of. Seriously? I mean, you could, but I'm sure he's got, you know what I mean? That's not a lot to wreck your whole life and your whole body of work and your whole reputation and to sell out. That's number one. Number two, you're Tom Homan. You're not stupid enough to accept cash just in your hands from people. That's not how this is done. How the hell do people think this is done? My gosh, come on. Sometimes the media is very, very stupid. All I'm saying is if I'm going to take a bribe, I'm going to do Bitcoin. I'm doing crypto. At the very least, I'm going to have somebody, oh, well, look, I just got this hotel room to stay the night and there's this cash under the bed that I had no idea was prearranged to be left here. That's what I'm doing. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to be like, yeah, I would like to take the $50,000 in my hands. Now, thank you. No. This is so stupid. Here's your receipt. Yes, here's your receipt. Put bribe in the memo. That's not how this is done. And it's Tom Homan. Again, I think that everybody's got a currency, and that's not one of his. Now, the White House just addressed it through their spokesperson, if we can get this ready. They just addressed it and pretty much said the same thing, although in a more curt fashion. Listen.
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Thanks, Caroline. So to the Holman investigation, I mean, can you just speak to, did the president ask the Justice Department to close the case? And does Holman have to return the $50,000? Well, Mr. Holman never took the $50,000 that you're referring to. So you should get your facts straight, number one. This was another example of the weaponization of the Biden Department of Justice against one of President Trump's strongest and most vocal supporters in the midst of a presidential campaign. You had FBI agents going undercover to try and entrap one of the president's top allies and supporters, someone who they knew very well would be taking a government position months later. Mr. absolutely nothing wrong. And even the president's Department of Justice, even Kash Patel's FBI looked into this just to make sure they had a number of different prosecutors and FBI agents who looked into this. They found zero evidence of illegal activity or criminal wrongdoing in the White House and the president stand by Tom Homan 100% because he did absolutely nothing wrong. And he is a brave public servant who has done a phenomenal job in helping the president shut down the border.
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Well, there you go. So it's a bunk. So can we stop with this dumb story? He didn't do it. I mean, you're you're relying on people who have lied to you repeatedly and they're like, no, no, no. This time we're true. This time is true. Swear Z's. It just doesn't make sense. I was reading my friend, Andy McCarthy. And he was talking about his incredulity with regards to this, you know, like meeting covertly recorded on video, 50,000 in cash, you know, all of this stuff. That's what they're, but they've, you know, they, the report they said was the Justice Department apparently assessed it and was like, there's no there there. What are you guys talking about? It originated under previous admin. OK, so the Biden administration started it. Now, he does have the caveat that it actually began. Where is this? You pull this up because he had a great piece. It actually began. They were FBI was it started in Texas. A suspect the FBI was investigating in Texas was overheard claiming that Holman was soliciting payments, et cetera, et cetera. And Andy was saying that, well, what's reported sounds bad, but it can't just be the FBI. It started in Texas. Well, it can't just be them. It absolutely can't. They're still running that op in Texas. You see what I'm saying? So that doesn't make any sense. And The Trump administration, as I said, assessed and was like, there's no there there. He was like in the private sector. Again, you have to remember this originated. The investigation originated under the Biden administration. And it began when Tom Homan and can remind everybody, when did Tom Homan actually take his position in the administration? It wasn't during the Biden administration.
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Wasn't until after Trump was inaugurated.
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Can I ask you a question?
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Mm hmm.
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what is the point of bribing someone? Let's play this out for a second.
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All right. To gain special favor because they have a position that could be advantageous to what you want.
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Okay. But that last part, they have a position that could be advantageous to what you want. At that point in time, when this investigation under the Biden administration began, did, did Tom Homan have that position? He sure did not. He didn't. So why the hell would you be bribing someone who is in no position to deliver a
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It's almost like it was a setup.
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That's weird. Wait, no way. You mean to tell me that the same FBI that had some wayward agents that literally were able to get a wiretap on a private citizen over his politics because they went around the proper operating procedure with a FISA court, that that same entity that worked in collusion with all of them, that we can't trust them on this? What? Much shock. So surprised. I can't believe it, guys. So I just think if I'm going to bribe somebody, I'm going to make sure that they are worthy of being bribed. If you can't, if you're not even in the position to do anything for me, why am I going to bribe you? You know what? This is stupid. But it is the Biden administration, King.
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Think about it. It's all that they couldn't run on any sort of accomplishments that Biden had over the four years. So their only thing and by the way, their only thing for the longest time that I can remember is just media smears. That's literally all it is.
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Yeah. So I don't know. Congress may determine that they they would look into it or not. I don't know. But I would imagine that when it is. I mean, a home and did get an admin job where they did not. He did not have to go through the Senate confirmation process. instead of just outright nominating him for a cabinet post. I don't, the only, and that just might be timing. I don't know. It also might be a way for him to just, you know, try to people out the different positions in different departments with people that had his back. I mean, it could be a number of things. But the left is saying, well, you know, he didn't have that Senate confirmation process, so that's evidence. Of what? Of not having a Senate confirmation process? Yeah, you're correct. He was appointed into this admin job. Is it confirmation that he was involved in a bribery scheme? No. It wasn't. I really wish that they would look at the crimes that exist instead of making up things that don't exist.
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That was just one of the longer cuts of the memorial that was yesterday. As you can tell, I don't really have a voice today. the show must go on. The bosses demand it. So we, uh, we're going to play. We, I mean, we've got some, we've got a lot of stuff to get into, but you'll have to forgive me cause I'm on four hours of sleep. Uh, I'm exhausted and I don't have a crew. Like I have two people in here. So we're, we're, it's a little bit jumbly today. So we, uh, it's been a lot, it's been a lot the past couple of days. So that's where we are. So if, um, If my voice peters out, hopefully it'll last the show, but we'll see. So welcome to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the top of this first hour. A number of things to get into. But first and foremost, the memorial that took place yesterday, it was in Arizona. And it was very pretty. It was packed. Excuse me. All of the... All of the... stories that you heard about the lines and everything else is all true. I mean, the lines were crazy. It was unlike anything I think I've ever seen before. And it was so... I mean, I've been to Tea Party rallies all over the country. I've been to different presidential events, debates. things of that nature. And I've never been to anything where I've seen so many people like this. It's just all for the same purpose and all very Christian-driven. I mean, obviously, it was like a giant worship service. It was just pretty amazing. And then, of course, to hear Erica Kirk forgive her killer, which we're going to talk about more in depth. But it was just unlike anything that I've ever seen before. And With that, so many young people... There were so many young people. It was... Pretty amazing. That's all I mean what else just I mean my voice my voice is about to drop So I'm just we're we're gonna pray that we can last through the show because it may it may not happen Well, we'll just have to like chirp from the mic just I'll do we'll do Morse code. We'll do that and finish the finish the broadcast, but I've just never seen anything like it when we first got there and And because you can only you can pull through. We were able to pull through and park when we first got in there. It was people had been lined up. I think 345 is when some of the first people began getting there at like three, something like 345 a.m. It was just pretty unbelievable. And then the lines already at 5 a.m. They said it was the audience was the equivalent of like three Super Bowls. And they I didn't even know that there was a hockey stadium that was across the way. And then they put a bunch of people on the hockey state. It was crazy. That's how many people showed up. And I think that's incredibly important because if they showed up to thinking it was just going to be just a political rally. I mean, it was literally the first because it was a long day, guys. It was a very long day. Everybody started getting there between eight and nine o'clock in the morning. And then it went to like four o'clock. And then everybody was racing to airports and you had storms blowing through that delayed everything. So it was a very long day. But the reason I bring up the crowd number and the number of people that were showing up is because it was like one of the largest worship services. I think it was the largest worship service I've ever seen. And I don't know, like I said, if they were expecting to have a political rally or whatever it was, but... And it was I know some people are trying to make it out like that, but it wasn't just because Trump spoke at it doesn't make it a political rally. You know, it was a celebration of Charlie's life and it was things that Charlie liked. And, you know, they had the like the little firework things that went off on stage. They did that because he loved that. And that's what Andrew Colvette had said, who's the spokesperson for TPUSA. They incorporated that because he and I were actually remember him telling me in ahead of I think it was the TP turning point women's event. And he was saying, yeah, we got these great, you know, we're going to start we're going to get into pyro. And he was very, very excited about those. And he and I remember talking with him backstage at an event. and I complimented him on the fact that he didn't burn the stage down. And he said, oh, it's so great. And he was like, I wish I could put more up there. I mean, he loved it. He just loved the, he thought it looked like the 4th of July. Like it was the most celebratory thing that you could do. And so that's why they had those on the stage for when his widow came out and when POTUS came out and the VP, et cetera, because that was one of the things that he liked. He, it was like the 4th of July. It was like a celebration and it was a celebration of his life. So I think there's, you know, a couple of things to address in terms of some of the responses to it. But I just, the people that went there, I don't know if they were anticipating having, you know, like a three-hour worship service before the remembrances began. I don't know if that's what they were thinking, but that's what they got. And it was just pretty, it was just wild. It was just wild. Absolutely wild. The... Service, we went out and when we got there and everybody was so, you know, just so nice. When we got there, they went in and they were giving out free water and all this stuff. They thought of everything. But they had like some of the most. amazing. They had Carrie Jobe, who was up there also. We walked in and I thought they were playing a music track. Oh my gosh, she literally is up there on stage. And then they had a bunch of really well-known Christian singers that I don't know how they were able to get all these people together in seven days. This was described as a tier one event, a level one event, meaning that of level one events, the only things that are kind of similar are you know, if you've got the inauguration, if you've got, uh, you know, some of the debates between presidential candidates, things like that. I mean, it, so the security was, was awesome and off the charts and needed considering, but, um, I just couldn't believe that they got it together in seven days. I mean, it makes me feel like the things that I take forever to do and they're a little, they're infinitesimal considering it just, you know, I'm like, golly, of course they have a whole team of people that are so good at it. And, uh, The, on the inside, getting inside and as everybody filled in and as everybody was singing. There were people who, like I said, who showed up with the intent, like it was going to be, you know, like a political thing maybe. And then they ended up finding themselves worshiping. And then there were a number of people towards the end. At one point, people who had not yet been baptized were asked, you know, to stay, not in a judgmental way, but so that other believers could like pray with them, things like that. It was pretty amazing. And I just imagine, like, you know, how many other people were saved at that event just, you know, because that's what Charlie would have wanted and what they would have had it designed as. So it was just fascinating. I've never seen anything like it in my life. And I saw a lot of people you know there, a lot of the folks that... Or on TV that you might, you know, watch with podcasts, things of that nature. A lot of really good folks. And everybody kind of had that because everybody knew him. Everybody had the same response. It was just very, you know, you walk up to each other and you just give a hug. Although I saw Glenn Beck. God love him. He's like, he's such an emotional teddy bear. He saw me and we hugged and he was just blubbering. God love him. He just blubbering. He just bawling. He is. He's an emotional teddy bear. That man cries like I've never seen a woman cry as hard as that man cries. He wins. He wins, ladies. Sit down. But it was just wild. Just, I've never seen an event like it. And then at one point, here's the other thing. We were like four rows behind Elon Musk. Elon Musk is sitting there at a worship service for two hours. Let's just be real about it. Elon Musk was sitting there while people were praying and singing worship songs for two hours. Now, if you ever have an opportunity to witness to the world's richest man who literally can help determine the outcome of elections, don't you think that this was a good thing? Exactly. There were a lot of things at play here. And then at one point I saw Secret Service come down and then they escorted him up to the box where POTUS had gotten in after he flew in for the event. 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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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A bear has attacked a 90-year-old woman in what, well, it did it in a grocery store as well, which is kind of insane. Well, Dollar General store. A 90-year-old woman, a black bear, tore through, this was in New Jersey, and went on a rampage. They had to euthanize it after it attacked. I thought, you never know when you hear bear now and rainbows. I just never know anymore. But some of it was caught on video. She had scratches on her legs. Thankfully, she wasn't mauled. The bear looks crazy. I got to say, bear looks crazy. They said that they had a 65-year-old that was recording everything that was happening. And apparently you can hear another man say, get the blank away from me. Of course, it's in New Jersey. I just love that he's going to cuss at the bear and make the bear go away. You know, it's like Democrats. You're going to cuss and make people agree with your policies. Anyway, everybody's okay, thankfully. But, well, she was injured. But nobody else. They euthanized the bear. Okay, so a disabled man. This is an insane story. This is horrifying, actually. A disabled man ended up.
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Thank you.
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self-driving robot delivery cart cut off, cut him off in traffic and reversed into him. He was on a mobility scooter. So it was a food delivery robot. And apparently there's video that captured it. The man who has cerebral palsy was on his way home from a procedure and a serve robotics cart crashed into his mobility scooter that he uses for long distances. It's like all over Instagram. And it literally, it was almost like it was doing it like it was a jerk. It looked on purpose. I'm sorry this looked on purpose. He screamed as he was trying to zigzag on the sidewalk to avoid the robot's jolting impact, but it literally cut in front of him and then slammed on its brakes. I watched this. Dude, I'm sorry. This robot tried to kill him. This robot legit tried to kill this guy. Don't tell me that they don't do that because one of them committed suicide. One of the robots did. Remember? It was in Washington where this little security robot was like, I'm done with life and rolled itself into a fountain. I'm not. That actually happened. Totally happened. Oh, it's, I don't know. Americans have had, they have so much car debt. Apparently it could start a 2008 like recession. Although I think we're already there. If I'm being honest, what do you mean start? The soaring cost of cars and insurance, a lot of people are pushed to the financial brink and now drivers apparently owe $1.6 trillion in car loans. It's a bigger burden than federal student loan debt or credit cards. It's up 20% since 2020. And the squeeze is showing up in a lot of missed car payments, delinquencies, defaults, repossessions, things like that. So it's pretty wild. But we're already there. Let's see. And apparently... Oh, DFW had... And that's an old one. That's because it's not really in... in practice anymore uh but there have been there was a cyber attack on european airports heathrow heathrow operates like there's a cyber attack on it anyway every given day i mean i've never been to a crazier airport in my life but apparently they had a lot of problems all over the weekend canada uh all over europe as well the dublin airport was evacuated because of safety concerns the check-in and boarding. Of course, you know, imagine Irish people not being able to go in and get on their planes. It might get fighty. I'm joking. I can say that because I'm part Irish. All right, we've got a lot more on the way. We're going to dive into some of this stuff, not just with the memorial, but Tom Holman as well. Stick with us. If you've not gotten superbeets, you need to. They also have superburine. It's a powerful metabolism support, and it's all designed to keep your energy steady even after you eat. So metabolism is where it's at. Healthy metabolism, healthy blood sugar support, a lot of people could benefit from that no matter what decade of life you're in. And berberine, they don't use just any old berberine supplement. They use a unique berberine that's been clinically studied to deliver 10 times higher absorption than standard berberine. One concentrated, easy-to-swallow capsule is all it takes. And the berberine that they use, as you know, top-notch, but they also include olive fruit extract and other things to help support and minimize GI distress as well. You can find both the super berberine and the number one-selling Super Beats Heart Chews at Sam's Club. Stock up and save on healthy blood pressure support with $5 off Super Beats Heart Chews. And from August 27th to September 21st at Sam's Club. And you can start today. Get on the road to better cardiovascular health.
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Political violence erupts again as conservative activist Charlie Kirk is murdered while speaking on a college campus. How do we fix this evil insanity? The media get mad at the right for pointing out they completely ignored a grisly murder because it doesn't fit their narrative. And a sitting U.S. senator really thinks our rights come from the government. I'm Greg Karumbas, inviting you to join Jim Garrity of National Review and me each weekday for the Three Martini Lunch podcast. We'll give you the top news, usually some good laughs, and we'll be done in less than 30 minutes. Follow the Three Martini Lunch on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Many of these people, by the way, are paid a lot of money to do this. They're agitators. They're paid agitators. Remember that? When you see they all have the same beautifully printed sign, every sign is identical, comes out of a top-level print shop, That's not the signs that are made in somebody's basement. Those are paid for by very bad people. And hopefully we're going to be finding out through the DOJ who those people are. At another college, Antifa terrorists shattered windows through rocks and tried to storm the building where Charlie was speaking. It was a really bad one. Often dozens of police officers were needed to prevent left-wing violence. And the violence comes largely from the left. You don't hear that from too many people, do you?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and he's not wrong. I mean, that's exactly... Some people were mad and saying, oh, well, Trump was political. He wasn't. And he was talking about... Can I just be really frank about something here with this? This idea that, you know, Charlie was a political person, you know. He was obviously very into politics. This was not just a memorial. It was also a celebration of his life, and it was very helpful for his family and friends. It's not about how other people would celebrate. It's about how his family and friends would celebrate. And I don't think that Trump said anything in that that was in any way inaccurate, Cain. No. I didn't detect any lies. I didn't hear of anything that was incorrect in that. Welcome back to the program, Dana Lashley. I've already gotten emails about it. Yes, I know my voice sounds bad. Just get over it. I'm fine. I'm just doubly exhausted. I am okay. Stop telling me what teas to drink. God love you. They're all so sweet. They all mean the best. I keep noticing this. I'm trying to pull this up because I had an example of it that I found this morning. So I'm trying to... There were actually a lot of examples of this where people were like, well, why did they say anything about this? Or why was this? This is the way that, again, his family and his friends, this is them honoring his life. It's not how you would honor your life. It's not what... I don't care if it's what you would. God, Lee, people, just get over it. I am so tired of everybody trying to clout chase and everybody trying to have an opinion and everybody trying to be like, oh, this is what I would do. Nobody cares what you would do. Stop. I get so aggravated. I thought it was a beautiful service and it was worship for, you know, hours. And even between speakers, they also played worship music and they had worship songs between speakers even. Just saying. It's very different from what the left does. Kane, what does the left do?
SPEAKER 09 :
Besides celebrate evil?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, you know, if the left lost someone, how do they typically respond to things like this?
SPEAKER 09 :
They go out and they become violent and riot and burn buildings. Yeah, they cause more damage.
SPEAKER 11 :
I didn't see any rioting. I didn't see one. Are we doing it wrong? I didn't even see a burning building.
SPEAKER 09 :
We're doing it right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I mean, you know, because we were told that that's like all mostly peaceful protests. So I was just, you know, I was just curious as to how that works. I mean, just a very interesting thing here. We there was no burning of buildings. There was no lighting churches on fire. There were no riots. There was none of that. None of it. So it was just it was literally prayer and peace and all of that. Nothing bad. Nothing. Nothing. You know, nothing that we've seen on like CNN. Nothing that we've seen on MSNBC. I think that's kind of a big difference of it. A huge difference. I'll have a post later today on Substack. I was going to try to do it last night, but we didn't have Wi-Fi on the plane and got in super late because the storms that were all around Dallas. And so it was in Phoenix. So it was delayed. Your girl's on like four hours of sleep. So we didn't get the piece up last night. Um, but well, I'll have some, I have some, uh, audio and video for you. I wanted to, I think, do we have this video? This is one of the ones I sent you guys this morning. Um, this was for, I took this inside and this was, um, like before any of the speakers began and it was a moment when the audience was you know they stopped the instrumentation and the audience like everybody who was there participating uh began to sing what audio because we have a million audio soundbites what do we got because this is the one i sent earlier so it should be we only have photos the videos i don't see any of those in the audio channel at all so i don't know if
SPEAKER 09 :
you have those in there. But if you want to send that over, I totally put it up.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, well, I'll go back to this because I had put it in there. I hate Slack so bad. Again, bear with us all. But it was an amazing event, like I said, and there were no protesters inside either. I didn't see any protesters inside. Did I didn't there wasn't a single protester that was inside and it was just it was just which I actually was surprised about. I'm not going to be able to send it via Slack. So it's just it is what it is. But I'll put it up on Substack on my YouTube. I'll personally myself put it up there so that you guys can see it. But it was it was pretty it was pretty cool. We played some of the audio from her remarks from Erica's remarks. And this was interesting, too. I wanted to play this audio soundbite six because there was a lot of. A lot of conspiracy theories about this stuff. I don't like conspiracy theories. I also understand that absent any kind of clarification or detail, people fill in the holes and they do this stuff themselves. I don't think that that's a great idea to do. That said, it just... I think she shared this with everyone because I'm not going to dive into her head and get into why she felt she needed. She clearly did. She wanted to share that with people. But there were a lot of people that were saying like he faked his death and all this kind of stuff. And I'm just like the fact that a family and these and his friends keep having to just stop. In the middle of. an insane amount of grief and address this stuff is insane. Like Andrew Colvett and others, the fact that they keep having to address some of that stuff was insane. This was interesting. And I wanted to play the soundbite for you because I think it helps some people try to process, especially like the younger generation, people like my kid's age, that just couldn't believe that this happened on live stream. And I think that they were worried more than anything that this person that they knew, because my kids knew Charlie, didn't feel any kind of pain. And I wanted to play audio of Sunbite Six for you.
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Charlie didn't suffer. Even the doctor told me. It was something so instant that even, even if Charlie had been shot in the operating room itself, nothing could have been done. There was no pain. There was no fear. No agony. One moment, Charlie was doing what he loved. arguing and debating on campus, fighting for the gospel and truth in front of a big crowd. And then he blinked, he blinked, and saw his savior in paradise.
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I mean, it's amazing. So basically what she's saying, it was instantaneous and that he felt no pain, etc. And that's kind of what I think a lot of people were thinking. Some of the video, again, I hope some of you never see that because it's just things that you cannot unsee. I thought POTUS had a lot of really good reviews. He made a lot of really good points. I thought all of the speakers were really good. Some of them, I'm not going to question why people were there. I don't know what's... The friends and family, they were the ones who decided that this was the speaker roster that they wanted, etc. And again, it's about a celebration of Charlie's life. It's not about our lives or someone else celebrating the way that they wanted to celebrate. It's not about any of that. But the... speakers, I thought the pastor, his pastor, and another pastor who spoke were, were unbelievable. They were absolutely unbelievable. And I thought they had just like the right tone, the right messaging. I just I've never, you know, with like the Floyd stuff, you know, if you wanted to compare, I wanted to go back to Erica Kirk, which stunned everybody, by the way, she didn't have to do that at this event. But I think it was so incredibly important. And I think that she had the foresight to understand that this is kind of a watershed moment in culture, not just politics. This extends beyond politics. It's like a watershed moment culturally. And I think it also determines, well, what is going to be the way that people react going forward? Because clearly, you know, conservatives are targeted. There's threats to conservatives that exist. I turned down some speaking things over the weekend at different events that were outside because there was no guarantee of safety. And a lot of people are kind of people who are in this industry, people who want to be active in politics are watching this. And I think it was very important what she did. I don't know that I could do that, that 11 days after that's, that is a strong faith that that's where she was able to punch down into the grief and into the dark and find forgiveness for the person who put her in this state. And, and, busted her family. I mean, it just, it was an amazing thing. She didn't have to do it, but I think she felt the weight of the moment also. And she's a Christian. She's more conservative than Charlie ever was. True. And that's just her. So it was... It's amazing to see that, especially contrasted with everything else that we've seen with regards to how the left does things. And I bring that up because I'm not sitting here going, oh, look at the left is so bad. I wish that they would react that way. That's my point in telling that to you. I wish that they would react that way. Doubt that they ever will. But, you know, still, we wish. We I'll have more of it. There's there's other things that I want to get into as well, because we have some domestic issues. Can we just talk about that? Let me just set the table because we're going to get into this Tom Homan thing. And you guys know, I tend to like Tom Homan. He actually kind of reminds me of one of my grandfathers. He was accused by MSNBC of. So this is how they put it. In an undercover operation, MSNBC is saying the FBI recorded Tom Homan, who is the White House border czar, accepting $50,000 in cash. after indicating that he could help the agents who were posing as business executives win government contracts in a second administration, according to multiple people familiar with the probe and internal documents reviewed by NBC. Now, there's a number of things to kind of keep in mind here. Immediately, I don't want to trust it, number one. Number two, even Andrew McCarthy, my friend Andrew McCarthy, is like, this is weird. None of this makes sense. And third... Tom Holman's not an idiot. Let me tell you how I would take a bribe, okay? If I'm going to take a bribe, it's not going to be in, like, marked dollar bills. I mean, especially when you can do, like, crypto and Bitcoin. I haven't done this, but I'm just telling you, if I would, this is what I would do. You've got, like, crypto. You've got Bitcoin. I mean, gosh, if you insist on cash, can't you just be like, oh, well, leave it in the hotel room. Just get a hotel room. Leave it there. I will get this hotel room and then be shocked when I discover a bag of cash under the bed, you know? Like, there's all a million... The fact that they're saying that Tom Holman himself was like, yes, I would like to accept this cash with my hands. I just don't believe it. Also, to me and you all, it's a lot of money, but not in the grand scheme of things. $50,000 is not enough for a guy who knows he's going to be in the administration to wreck his entire career for. 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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
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Hey, I just canceled my Disney Plus and Hulu subscriptions. And they asked me why I hit other. And I wrote, because I believe in the First Amendment, reinstate Jimmy Kimmel. Now, my whole family is really going to miss Abbott Elementary. We are really going to miss Only Murders in the Building. But you know what? We would miss the First Amendment a whole lot more. Don't go to the theme parks. Don't go on the cruises. Cancel your subscriptions.
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Now. Mind your own business, broad. Don't make me sit here and defend Disney. I hate everything. Don't make me defend Disney. But it's not a First Amendment issue. That's one where I do disagree with people. And it's not, I have some people like, oh, I thought you were a free speech warrior. I thought you actually understood the concept of private business. Are you a Marxist? Because only Marxists don't understand the concept of private business. And if we're starting this discussion from the point of private businesses don't have the right to control their employment, then I already can't talk to you about this because you've adopted a Marxist stance on it. These companies chose to do this because they got so many calls and so much feedback. This had nothing to do with the administration. This had nothing to do with the FCC. And there were people out there saying, well, Brendan Carr shouldn't have, Brendan Carr, whatever. I don't give a rat's ass how Brendan Carr said it because Brendan Carr didn't do the stuff Brendan Carr was being accused of. You can have a separate conversation as to whether or not you think it's appropriate to for him to quote the Matthew McConaughey line from that movie, Reign of Fire. We can make it easier. We can make it real easy. That's not the same thing as Barack, as Joe Biden, actually even Barack Obama, Joe Biden actually pressuring tech companies to censor conservatives. It's not the same thing as Barack Obama going after the Associated Press for writing unflattering pieces about his second term. It's not the same thing as people getting suspended or it's actually it's not even the same thing as the Biden administration sending the FBI to raid people's homes and arrest journalists because his drug addicted loud layabout daughter, who is literally my age and she acts like she's 18, was lost her diary in a flophouse. And so they decided to go after the journalists that uncovered it. So it's not even remotely the same. The the issue is these entities do not want to hear this feedback from their listeners, from their viewers. They took action themselves. It's not a First Amendment issue. That is an employment issue. That is an issue between the employer and the employee. And as for Carr, again, it's a separate issue how he said it to what really happened. I mean, do you I feel like the goalposts are moving. So the debate was, wow, it's like so bad. The this is such a First Amendment violation. The FCC did this. And then when shown mounds of evidence that the FCC actually didn't. And again, I had Brennan Carr on the show and I asked him twice if he actually himself or the administration put pressure on Nextar or Sinclair or Disney or ABC. And the answer was no. So absent any evidence of coercion, I'm not going to go, oh, gosh, that's that's a first because it's not. If people dislike how he said it, that's a completely separate issue from what happened. I will say that I don't think it's helpful for the administration to try to spike a football that wasn't there to spike in the first place because that gives the left fuel. And I think that's a pretty fair assessment. But the accusations that this was a government thing, it's dumb. We're not Marxists. We believe in private property. We've got more on the way. Second hour coming up. So apparently we have to stop falling for the whole higher thread count thing because it doesn't necessarily mean better sheets. That's fake news, apparently. It's like believing that you use like 10% of your brain. So the secret isn't thread count, it's thread quality. And this is where Bull & Branch has won a lot of folks over at yours truly. They use the best organic cotton, end of. I mean, these are sheets that feel incredible, like the moment you take them out of the box. So the first night that you put them on, you can tell right away that they're softer, they're cooler, and they have a great weight. It's like kind of having a five-star hotel room in your own house. And I'll tell you something else. The sheets get better every time that you've washed them. I've washed mine countless times and they just keep getting softer. You can't do that with cheap sheets because they totally fall apart. Bowl and branch, they get more luxurious. So you'll sleep better and you're kind of kind of feel like a spoiled brat, but it's OK. I'm not going to go back to the old sheets. Once you try them, you're not going to either. So if you're ready to upgrade your sleep and you should. visit bowlandbranch.com slash danashow because there you'll get 15% off your first set plus free shipping. So that's bowlandbranch.com slash danashow for 15% off. Exclusions apply.
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He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent. and i don't want the best for them i'm sorry i am sorry erica but now erica can talk to me and the whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right but i can't stand my opponent charlie's angry looking down he's angry at me now he wasn't interested in demonizing anyone he was interested in persuading everyone to
SPEAKER 11 :
The ideas and principles he believed were good, right, and true. This was actually a funny moment, and I think it was illustrative in a number of different ways. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. Yes, I'm drinking horrible tea right now. No, it's throat coat. My husband used to sing opera, so he makes me drink this horrible licorice thing to help with the voice. I know. I see you all. God love you. I've got your little emails and your little comments. Thank you. I'm not sick. I thought that was one of my favorite moments from Trump's remarks, and it was hysterical. Because face it, how many of y'all think this? I mean, really, until everyone was like completely humbled by Erica's remarks, like I forget. I mean, everyone, I think that really reset the tone. Not kidding you. I think it did. Again, welcome back to the program. We are doing our nationally syndicated radio show that you can watch, Channel 347, DirecTV. We have the chat at Rumble. And just apologies in advance if I sound a little, I'm just exhausted. Your girls, four hours of sleep and flew home in a storm so I could get here and be with you today. So it's, I think I'm actually still, I was thrown all over the plane, almost. That might be a slight exaggeration. I liked what the president said there because he was not, guys, guys, guys, I need some people to just chill. Take a beat. Please, dear God, I need some people to just exhale. And I've heard from a few of you where you've said, oh, that was completely inappropriate what he said. He wasn't saying that literally. He's making a joke. He's making a joke. It was funny. He's not sitting here expressing that as some sort of Christian doctrine. So, you know, let's just chill. It was a funny remark. And I think he actually was, he's basically saying, here's my flaw. Here's my weakness. And it's funny because everybody really kind of felt the same way until she said what she said. And I know for a fact that that knocked his socks off. He was not. And that was that was well known. He did not know she was going to say that. And that really reset the tone for a lot of stuff. Steve and I and Kane, we were all talking on break. I didn't... Because last night it came in, I didn't have Wi-Fi on the plane, and it was just a madhouse leaving. And so I didn't see a lot of what people were saying about... Because they had... A lot of people streamed the event. I think... How many people did they say streamed the event, Cain? Do you remember?
SPEAKER 09 :
Like, total, it's like 100 million. Like, it was... It was that. It was a lot.
SPEAKER 11 :
I saw that figure, but I was like... Yeah, that's the figure I've been seeing. Wow, that's pretty impressive. So... Some of the people Steve was saying were upset because, like, for instance, the sparklers. Can we... Is that the best way to say it? What are they? They're fireworks, right? They're giant floor sparklers.
SPEAKER 09 :
They're pyrotechnics for stage.
SPEAKER 11 :
Is that technically how you would say it? Yeah. Not my layman's... Oh, it's giant floor sparklers.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's stage pyrotechnics, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. I was saying, like, floor... Okay, floor spark... But yours sounds way much more knowledgeable and professional.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yours isn't inaccurate, though.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. So... She walked out to the podium and they had pyro. Can we show this? This is four. Yeah, I think this is four. This is when she'd walked out. A lot of people apparently were reacting to the pyro. It's a powerful moment. Some people were talking about the pyrotechnics. Can we just let me address this? I hope that nobody in the organization has to because they're very busy right now and they're grieving and they, you know, a lot of things are happening for them. Charlie loved the pyro, case in point. I remember when they first started incorporating it at TPUSA events because I've known Charlie for a long time and done a lot of his events. You know, he is a good guy. And I remember at one point, I can't remember where it was or what event it was, but I was backstage because they line you up backstage and everybody gets a, you know, you... You're free to pretty much do whatever you're going to do, and everybody knows what their lanes are. I mean, it's pretty remarkable how conservatives just know and just can congeal and work together. But I watched somebody go out on stage, and I saw the floor sparklers. Cain, what do you call them again? Pyrotechnics? No, say it in the microphone and make it sound smart, and I'll act like it was me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Stage pyrotechnics.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Okay. So they went off and I'm like, because you see they're right there on the stage, right? And I, and I, it made me jump a little bit. And Charlie was backstage standing next to me and he laughed because he saw that I jumped because they were, they all of a sudden there they were. And I look back at him. He was like, don't worry. You're not going to get set on fire is what he told me. And I'm like, those sparks go pretty high, my dude, those sparks. I'm like, and they, you know, sometimes they come down and he's like, no, it's all like, it's tested. We, you know, he's like, we have total pros that are doing everything. And he's like, I love it so much. He's like, it's like the 4th of July. He loved it. So that's why. And Andrew Colvett, who's the spokesperson for the organization said, that's why they had those there because he loved them. He wanted, he just liked celebrating. And this was about his celebration of life. He would have wanted it there. That's, that's what it was about. And I think it highlights that a lot of people aren't familiar with how TPUSA does stuff. They're not familiar with how they do their events. They're not familiar with how they do a lot of their outreach and some of the stuff that they do. This was like par for the course. So anybody who's ever been to a TPUSA event, that's literally what's that. That's like a Charlie Hallmark. That's because he loved that stuff. That's a Charlie Hallmark. But he was like, he like bent over laughing because I literally jumped. And he was like, he just thought it was hysterical. And he's like, don't worry, you're not going to get set on fire.
SPEAKER 09 :
If you ever stand next to those, there's some real heat that comes off of those things.
SPEAKER 11 :
And they're so bright. They're so bright. Like when they're going, you, so when I'm, when I would be up on stage and I would go out whenever they would do their events, if sometimes they have the stage where you walk out, like on a catwalk and there's a podium. And sometimes like the women's event last time, they didn't have that. And when those things go off, it's so bright. You can't see anything else. You are like blinded. But I jumped and he thought it was hysterical. And he was like, don't worry. You're not going to get set on fire. And I'm like, Charlie, you know those sparks come down too, right? He was very confident. And they always had flawless events. So I was like, if you say it's good, I trust it. You say it's good. I'm not going to have my head caught on fire. That's why they had him. And a lot of people, I think, were trying to... I saw somebody who wasn't at the event say... I don't want to get into denominations. I'm not going to be pushed into that. But it's someone who clearly is not like a non-denominational or something of that manner. And they're like, oh, well, this looked like a circus, not a revival. I'm like, well, you weren't even there. And, you know, that seems like pretty mean spirited of somebody to say when they have Christian in their bio, you weren't there. And that's exactly not what it was like. And it was also about a celebration of his life. It was a celebration of his life. That's it. I think that, you know, not everybody grieves the same. And I just think it's silly if people are going to focus on things like pyrotechnics as opposed to the fact that you had several hundred thousand people. I don't know how many hundreds of thousands, millions online that we're watching, but you had thousands of people in that stadium and then in the hockey arena next door who were literally all worshiping together. It was like a Sunday service. And so instead of talking about that, they're going to sit here and focus on pyrotechnics. Are you kidding me right now? Like I get that there's this, there is fame to be found in being a contrarian. If you're the person who's always picking everyone else apart, that's like an appropriation of power, right? It's a substitute for power or some, some, some sort of seniority in an issue in which you have no other means to achieve it. It's pathetic and I'm tired of seeing it. I just really am. Um, I don't really have anything else to add on it. I didn't think it, and Cain, I mean, your thoughts, because you were watching some of this.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, there's a lot of it that was really moving. I mean, you know what the context is and all of that, but it was great to see the moments of levity, the stuff that Trump brought and other people to the stage, just sort of, you know, it didn't allow you to sort of be swallowed up by the sorrow of it all. And I thought that was really apropos.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, what did people, what were they expecting? I think that in light of all of the all of the different ways this could have gone, I think that people should be happy that hundreds of thousands got together and worshipped and prayed. But see, here's what the left is going to do, and I need the right to not feed into this. What the left is going to do is they're going to try to focus on everything that they can pick apart. They're going to ignore the fact that it was praise and worship for three hours. They're going to ignore the praise and worship between the speakers. They're going to ignore the... demands and and and statements of the speakers for peace and for revival and they're going to instead focus on oh well trump was there oh well vance was there or this happened or whatever and it was a political rally if you want to see a political rally i'll direct you to paul wellstone's visitation back in the early aughts if you want a comparison go and look what happened there I mean, getting up there and actually going after Republicans in an uncharitable way and being very, very polarizing. That's one thing that wasn't happening here. In fact, the most polarizing thing that you if you wanted to make the argument for it was Trump joking about, oh, I don't love my enemies. I mean, that was like that was I mean, I was there. I heard all of it. That was the most you know, if you wanted to try to argue that there was something polarizing, that was the most polarizing thing that was there. And it is. The media is going to focus on those things because they need something to invalidate the lack of violence. They didn't get riots like what they get after one of their drug dealers dies. They didn't get that. Oh, no, that was accurate. It was accurate. I didn't say anything that was false. What do you want me to do, dress it up? they the right doesn't this did not happen it was peaceful people were nice to each other they were like weirdly nice to each other i get weird when people are really nice so i'm like in the stadium the whole time like just everybody was so nice um but the left that's another bomb to their narrative on the right you have to realize they're trying to figure out how to counter program what everybody just saw you had people all in this country and all around the world watch one of the most peaceful faith-based things that you could see and everybody was i mean you had the world's richest man sitting there through a praise and worship service for hours we were four hours behind for hours um clearly that had to plant some seeds don't you think There were a lot of other high profile people there. And it was a great it was a great way to witness. The left sees that and they're like, oh, my gosh, this is completely counter to everything that we tell everybody that the right is. They didn't look like Nazis. They didn't look like fascists. They look like people who just were honoring someone. And then they turned the period up until the speeches into a Sunday service so that, hey, we're all here. We're going to praise and worship. The left has to figure out a way to counter program that. So all they can do is try to pick apart and try to find the most what they think is the most political moments of it. And then they're going to try to work with you to convince you that, oh, well, why did they have the sparklers there? Why did they have the floor pyrotechnics? Why did they have that? And they're going to play on maybe you not knowing how TPUSA operates or maybe you not knowing that Charlie loved those things. And that's literally and they said it. That's why they had it. And they're going to try to pick and divide that way. Do not feed into that. You don't need to, you don't need anyone to re-describe to you what you saw with your own eyes. Do not allow someone to influence the narrative that you, the truth that you saw with their BS narrative. Do not do that. As we move our partners who help bring you the program, Caltech, the PR57, it's a 5.7 rotary barrel pistol, 40% lighter than the next 5.7. The top loading design replaces traditional mags with stripper clips. You get a slimmer carry profile at 20 plus one capacity as well. Super lightweight because of the rotary barrel design and because of the way it loads. It's also super affordable with an MSRP of only $399. Made in America, family-owned, based in Florida. It is the PR57, chambered in 5.7. If you ever wanted a nice, concealable 5.7, here it is. It's from Kel-Tec, K-E-L-T-E-C, weapons.com. Tell them Dana sent you.
SPEAKER 09 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 11 :
This is crazy. So the New York Post reported it's another story of a Brooklyn bodega worker. Wait, how does Jill Biden say it?
SPEAKER 05 :
Bodega.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you. Who claims self-defense in a fatal scuffle with what is being described as a neighborhood nuisance who threatened to kill him. It was one of the Brooklyn workers. He got into this fatal tussle with this guy. Both of the men that were involved said they were defending themselves from this guy who repeatedly threatened to kill them. Royal Deli and Grill worker Kevin Mello told Daily News that Jerry Hill loudly barged into the business. And threatened workers. And then when they asked him to quit screaming, because the customers were obviously freaking out, he said, I'm going to kill you. Anyone of you come outside and fight, I'm going to kill you. So the workers, I mean, Jerry Hill ended up losing his life as a result of it. He started throwing stuff at them, everything, and then he attacked them. He said, I grabbed him and he fell on top of me and we were fighting. And he said he realized that he had been bleeding. But they were defending themselves. And apparently, I think what he ended up... It's kind of hard to follow the article, but it sounds like he ended up getting accidentally stabbed because they were just throwing each other all over tables and everything. But the guy was a problem. And apparently, you know, whenever he was detained prior, guess what? He's always allowed to walk out. So... This is what happens when you have politicians that won't allow law enforcement to do their job. It's unfortunate. Also, let's see. Oh, I'm going to come back to the Sky Meadow Country Club. We're going to talk about that as well. The media has been trying to cover up the fact that the guy was screaming free Palestine before he decided to kill a guest at the Sky Meadow Country Club. We're going to talk about that coming up. A two-year-old lives alone for days on junk food after the mother passed away in China and nobody apparently was able to check on the baby. And oh my goodness, but apparently they weren't able to confirm why the mother passed, but the toddler survived on junk food, including snacks and jellies and other things that he could find in their house. That's so sad. We have a lot more on the way because we've got the Tom Homan and then Media Malpractice. Stick with us. Partners over at All Family Pharmacy. All Family Pharmacy. is the place to go if you're tired of doctors telling you no, if you're trying to get off patent medications or stuff that insurance won't cover but that works. There's a lot of people frustrated with this stupid broken system that was just blown all the bits back on three administrations ago, really. All Family Pharmacy. It's an independent pharmacy, patient first, and they connect you with licensed U.S. doctors who approve medications online, fast and legal, no gatekeeping, no insurance middlemen, no red tape. It's all affordable. All the inputs, all the medications that they use, these are U.S.-made, U.S.-manufactured medications, so you don't have to worry about inputs from China or anything like that. They've got everything. Everyday medications, antibiotics. I have gotten overnight delivery of stuff so I could treat strep ahead of Thanksgiving. It worked like a charm. I've used them tons of times for things like prescription anti-nausea when I went on my MRC trip. I've gotten ivermectin. I've gotten hydroxychloroquine. I've gotten an AD+. You name it, they've got it. They got Latisse for your eyelashes, ladies, which I totally bought. What else? I mean, they got everything, Cain. They've got like emergency kits, stuff I can't pronounce. They've got it all. And you can get it in two to four days or online in a pinch. Order online in minutes. Doctor reviews it, approves your scripts, and it's sent right to your door. Take your medical freedom back and visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and use code Dana10 today. That's allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana, code Dana10.
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SPEAKER 11 :
Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the bottom of the second hour. The story of Tom Holman, we were talking a little bit about this earlier. I immediately was just like, hmm, don't know if I believe this. Why? And the story is he was accused of being involved in some kind of, in a sting, they got him accepting $50,000 in cash to... get some government contracts and basically to produce some government contracts. That's kind of, that's what the accusation is. And it sounds stupid. Here's why it sounds stupid. You're Tom Homan. You are, you know, you're going to have a significant role in the president's administration, correct? You know, you're going to have a sizable role in the next admin. Why would you, accept a bribe. And yes, this is a lot of money to us, but not to DC and people who play in that pit. You're going to take $50,000 in cash and wreck your whole professional life and your chances coming up in the next admin for $50,000 in cash that you can't even live for a year off of. Seriously. I mean, you could, but I'm sure he's got, you know what I mean? That's not a lot to wreck your whole life and your whole body of work and your whole reputation and to sell out. That's number one. Number two, you're Tom Homan. You're not stupid enough to accept cash just in your hands from people. That's not how this is done. How the hell do people think this is done? My gosh, come on. Sometimes the media is very, very stupid. All I'm saying is if I'm going to take a bribe, I'm going to do Bitcoin. I'm doing crypto. At the very least, I'm going to have somebody, oh, well, look, I just got this hotel room to stay the night and there's this cash under the bed that I had no idea was prearranged to be left here. That's what I'm doing. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to be like, yeah, I would like to take the $50,000 in my hands. Now, thank you. No. This is so stupid. Here's your receipt. Yes, here's your receipt. Put bribe in the memo. That's not how this is done. And it's Tom Homan. Again, I think that everybody's got a currency, and that's not one of his. Now, the White House just addressed it through their spokesperson, if we can get this ready. They just addressed it and pretty much said the same thing, although in a more curt fashion. Listen.
SPEAKER 13 :
Mr. Holman never took the $50,000 that you're referring to. So you should get your facts straight number one. Number two, this was another example of the weaponization of the Biden Department of Justice against one of President Trump's strongest and most vocal supporters in the midst of a presidential campaign. You had FBI agents going undercover to try and entrap one of the president's top allies and supporters, someone who they knew very well would be taking a government position months later. Mr. Homan did absolutely nothing wrong. And even the president's Department of Justice, even Kash Patel's FBI looked into this just to make sure they had a number of different prosecutors and FBI agents who looked into this. They found zero evidence of illegal activity or criminal wrongdoing in the White House and the president stand by Tom Homan 100% because he did absolutely nothing wrong. And he is a brave public servant who has done a phenomenal job in helping the president shut down the border.
SPEAKER 11 :
well there you go so it's a bunk so can we stop with this dumb story he didn't do it i mean you're you're relying on people who have lied to you repeatedly and they're like no no this time we're true this time is true swearsies it just doesn't make sense i was reading my friend andy mccarthy And he was talking about his incredulity with regards to this, you know, like meeting covertly recorded on video, 50,000 in cash, you know, all of this stuff. That's what they're, but they've, you know, they, the report they said was the Justice Department apparently assessed it and was like, there's no there there. What are you guys talking about? It originated under previous admin. OK, so the Biden administration started it. Now, he does have the caveat that it actually began. Where is this? You pull this up because he had a great piece. It actually began. They were FBI was it started in Texas. A suspect the FBI was investigating in Texas was overheard claiming that Holman was soliciting payments, et cetera, et cetera. And Andy was saying that, well, what's reported sounds bad, but, you know, it can't just be the FBI. It's, you know, it started in Texas. Well, it can't just be that. It absolutely can't. They're still running that op in Texas. You see what I'm saying? So that doesn't make any sense. The Trump administration, as I said, assessed and was like, there's no there there. He was like in the private sector. Again, you have to remember this originated, the investigation originated under the Biden administration. And it began when Tom Homan, and Cain, remind everybody, when did Tom Homan actually take his position in the administration? It wasn't during the Biden administration.
SPEAKER 09 :
Nope, sure wasn't. Wasn't until after Trump was inaugurated.
SPEAKER 11 :
Can I ask you a question?
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 11 :
what is the point of bribing someone? Let's play this out for a second.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right. To gain special favor because they have a position that could be advantageous to what you want.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. But that last part, they have a position that could be advantageous to what you want. At that point in time, when this investigation under the Biden administration began, did, did Tom Homan have that position? He sure did not. He didn't. So why the hell would you be bribing someone who is in no position to deliver a
SPEAKER 09 :
It's almost like it was a setup.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's weird. Wait, no way. You mean to tell me that the same FBI that had some wayward agents that literally were able to get a wiretap on a private citizen over his politics because they went around the proper operating procedure with a FISA court, that that same entity that worked in collusion with all of them, that we can't trust them on this? What? Much shock. So surprised. I can't believe it, guys. So I just think if I'm going to bribe somebody, I'm going to make sure that they are worthy of being bribed. If you can't, if you're not even in the position to do anything for me, why am I going to bribe? You know what? This is stupid. But it is the Biden administration, King.
SPEAKER 09 :
Think about it. It's all that they couldn't run on any sort of accomplishments that Biden had over the four years. So their only thing and by the way, their only thing for the longest time that I can remember is just media smears. That's literally all it is.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. So I don't know. Congress may determine that they they would look into it or not. I don't know. But I would imagine that when it is. I mean, Homan did get an admin job where they did not. He did not have to go through the Senate confirmation process. instead of just outright nominating him for a cabinet post. I don't, the only, and that just might be timing. I don't know. It also might be a way for him to just, you know, try to people out the different positions in different departments with people that had his back. I mean, it could be a number of things. But the left is saying, well, you know, he didn't have that Senate confirmation process, so that's evidence. Of what? Of not having a Senate confirmation process? Yeah, you're correct. He was appointed into this admin job. Is it confirmation that he was involved in a bribery scheme? No. It wasn't. I really wish that they would look at the crimes that exist instead of making up things that don't exist. So that, and I accept the... administration's remarks on this. I mean, that makes sense. We have a couple of other things as well. Actually, a lot to get into still. And I want to switch. Let me pull this up. And again, bear with us because we flew in a storm and got in really late last night. And so we're a little today. But the where is because I saw this. Kane, it had to do. Who was was it the Kavanaugh? killer? Or, well, wannabe killer that came out as trans? So, is anybody surprised at this? So this story, I think this came out when? Over the weekend? So Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, his would-be assassin, IDs as trans. This is according to court documents. The 29-year-old, he pled guilty to attempting to kill Kavanaugh. Now remember, that Attempt came after Chuck Schumer was on the steps of the Supreme Court building and screaming, you know, you're going to feel the wrath, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. So the defense attorneys revealed that the 29 year old, his name is Nicholas. Now they got to call him Sophie. The public defenders assigned to his case indicated in a court filing that they're going to refer to their client with female pronouns out of respect. You got to respect the training wannabe killer. So this they have this in the legal filing. They want to change his name from Nicholas to Sophie. What? OK, just let's just newsflash here. You are going to court because you brought you were on your way armed and ready to trying to kill a Supreme Court justice. And then you admitted that you did it. They're giving you your trial due process, but you admitted that you did it. You don't get to pick pronouns. You don't get to do any of this other stuff. That's free people stuff. Okay, you're not free. That's free people stuff. Free people can pretend that their genitals aren't what they are. Free people get to make the determination that they want to change their name or do whatever. if they want to fly their freak flag or not. Free people get to do that. Not people like this dude who was admitted that he was trying to go and kill a Supreme Court justice and got caught trying to do it. You don't get to do free people stuff. Why are we indulging this? You know, sidebar, part of me wants to become a judge just so I can just sit there and be like, get out of my courtroom. Just so I can just throw people out right and left. Has to be so satisfying. So they said that they want to be respectful. Now remember he wasn't just caught armed out. He was literally outside of Kavanaugh's house in Maryland. I think a lot of people are would be shocked to realize how close he got but he also had a tack light but he had zip ties. He had burglary tools apparently had like a crowbar and a whole bunch of other stuff. So he had like a little knapsack of no good and he was there to do some harm. He was there to do harm. So that he doesn't get to say, I want to pick my pronouns now. I want to do it. He doesn't get to do any of that stuff. We're not doing this. We're not doing this at all. Not at all. It's a silly, it's a silly and a danger. All right. We've got more on the way. We've got Florida man coming up. Let me give you a couple of other things. So Howard Stern, every, is that like the new big thing to all these progressive boomers? Are they going to try to like stunt on I'm canceling my Disney?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. It's like the black square.
SPEAKER 11 :
This is not like, does this affect you? Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
Not at all. First of all, I don't even have Disney.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don't either.
SPEAKER 09 :
So there's nothing for me to cancel.
SPEAKER 11 :
I got rid of it after Carano. Did they get rid of it after Carano? Because it's all about free speech and stuff.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, no, they're not consistent.
SPEAKER 11 :
Wait, these big free speech warriors, they didn't get rid of Disney after Disney fired Gina Carano because she didn't do a damn thing.
SPEAKER 09 :
What? The left's not consistent?
SPEAKER 11 :
What? That's why it's so stupid. Also, why does Howard Stern increasingly look like my dear departed aunt? Like, every time I see a new photo of him, I'm like... Is that my dearly departed aunt? I don't know. Like he does look like, you know, he looks like an old lady. Do you think it's because he's taken estrogen? Well, yeah, I mean that we could see that coming a mile away. But I'm just like he looks like an old cantankerous lady, right? Like somebody who has a who likes chain smoke cigarettes and stuff like one of those ladies. That's what he looks like. Anyway, we got to get moving as we do. So our partners that help bring you the program, it's our friends over at Patriot Mobile. This is such a great look. I saw them when we we went out because they went we went with them to the TP USA event. We got invited to go to the by the organization to go to the memorial. And we found out that Patriot Mobile, our friends, Glenn and his wife that own and operate Patriot Mobile were going to. So we all decided to go out there together. And I'm telling you, I think other people were having problems with their service. I didn't. Because there were a lot of people on that bandwidth inside. I get it. This is just the only Christian conservative cell phone provider in the country. They partner, they were early partners with TPUSA. They were early supporters of Charlie's Vision and big, big supporters. And they loved what he did. And they were very close to the organization. And they just provide the best access, the best service at the best price. But what's more is that they're not taking your hard-earned dollars and That you're paying for when it comes to paying for your service and spending it on things like DEI and CRT and gun control and all of this stuff. They like I said, they've been working to support TPUSA and they work with supporting legislation, like, for instance, in Texas, the Senate Bill 240 backing legislation that protects women and girls in private spaces. They've helped empower parents who needed help taking over their school boards to protect their children's education. They've been there through every major fight, Second Amendment, First Amendment, you name it. And you're not paying more for all of this either, which is what's also super stunning. I have a Cadillac playing. My whole family's on it. And I actually pay less than what I did with my previous provider. And I've been I switched over 10 years ago. I switched to Patriot Mobile. I've been all over the world with this service never had an issue. And it takes just minutes to get switched and set up. If my mom can do it by herself at home, you can do it too. And that's the thing at home. There's no store visits. They have 100% US based customer service team. Look at just switched over and set up. You can keep your phone, keep your number get all new. And if you use promo code Dana, you get a free month of service on top of it. So visit patriot mobile.com slash Dana or call nine seven, two Patriot and make sure to use promo code Dana for that free month of service.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida, man.
SPEAKER 11 :
So a, uh, I'm not saying this. A teaching assistant charged after allegedly using a fecal spray at a high school. They're claiming damages to the AC system. So it's like, yeah, he had this spray. He was a teaching assistant who was arrested. He used this spray. poo spray to create a foul odor at a South Carolina high school. 32-year-old teaching assistant allegedly sprayed it to imitate fecal matter while at school multiple times. He acquired it online. People apparently had to seek medical attention and had respiratory issues. And then they had to spend $55,000 to inspect its AC and look at damages. So he's charged with disturbing schools and malicious property. Okay, here's the big thing. Why? Why did he do it? I need to know this because I, um, I, I've seen like videos on Instagram where they spray them into this, like inflatable costumes. And then, you know, everybody laughs. Yeah. So, uh, they said that they're still investigating the situation, but it's been two days. So you can't come on. Why? They said it like really disrupted. None of the articles I'm seeing there. They just, I guess, was he doing it to be a jerk? I don't know.
SPEAKER 09 :
I was a kid. We used to, uh, play with that stuff. I mean, it's just way worse.
SPEAKER 11 :
Did you send anyone to the hospital?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, nobody was whining.
SPEAKER 11 :
A Florida man shot a bear that was, a lot of bear stories, hiding in his shower. It was an actual bear animal. A central Florida man came face to face with a home intruder, but it was a bear. It was in his shower. It was hiding in his shower. And he literally said that he thought there was an intruder in his bathroom. He was panicking. His dogs were barking. The bear ran into the bathroom and got into the shower and was literally hiding there. And he thought it took him a second to to figure out what was happening. But he shot the bear. And unfortunately, the bear did not make it Florida Fish and Wildlife. They said, be vigilant. Don't leave food out, et cetera, et cetera. But I mean, the bear was in his shower, went into his house and hit his shower. This is not like a case of camping. Stick with us. We got our third hour on the way.
SPEAKER 02 :
Pine-jarring is that there are so many people willing to excuse the most reprehensible things that he said, that they agree with that, that they're willing to have monuments for him, that they want to create a day to honor him, and that they want to produce resolutions in the House of Congress honoring his life and legacy. It is one thing to care about his life because obviously so many people loved him, including his children and wife. But I am not going to sit here and be judged for not wanting to honor any legacy this man has left behind. That should be in the dustbin of history. And we should hopefully move on.
SPEAKER 11 :
And should your citizenship here in the United States, it should also be in the dustbin of history. That's Ilhan Omar, who whenever... She has the opportunity to be a decent human and not a yelping dog. She chooses the dog. It's fascinating. That's an insult to dogs. I'm sorry, dogs. Welcome back to the program, Being a Lash, top of this third hour. Do you know, when you think about her personality, just demonic views she's a nasty person she's just a nasty piece of work she never has anything nice to say about anybody i mean you know the fact that she had to marry her brother to even cheat to get citizenship uh or to even get in the united states is insane uh and the fact that she used her campaign money to help facilitate the divorce and all of this other stuff oh she did that's why she had to pay a fine for all of that i don't know if people are actually familiar with that there are receipts there that's why this is said so often because it's true it's not a joke it's actually true And I think the sentiment that she states and what I have heard, you know, a lot of these college campuses that TPUSA went to, she just seems like she was just very, she never liked the group. And Charlie never said anything controversial, except if you consider scripture controversial. He was, again, the nice one. But I was thinking about all of this in context with the pressure that foreign money plays into all of these colleges and universities across the country. Did you know that the biggest funder to American universities is Qatar? Billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars they have given. And it's interesting because if you look at where all the money, which I'm looking at now, if you look at where all they give their money is, It's very interesting that that's where all like, for instance, you know, the protests where they were going after all the Jewish students. It's kind of interesting that those were the universities where they got the most money from Qatar. I'm just saying it just could be Kane. I'm sure a total coincidence. It's and there are a lot of things that have been written about this. And it's not just Qatar. China is as well. But Qatar is the biggest donor of two American universities. And so allow that. to kind of sit in your head for a little bit when you are wondering, why is it that all of this stuff, like with the anti-Semitic protests, where they actually were targeting people for being Jewish, they weren't like, well, we disagree with the Israeli government. They can't even tell you how it's structured. They just were mad because of, to Jews, that's it. But, Think about how that really got kicked off and why it seems like it was expedited to this point. And then look at all the money that these companies or these countries have been pouring in. China and Qatar, they've poured just over the past few years. It's been like $29 billion. $29 billion. Foreign donors have given as much to American universities, just like in the last handful of years, as they did in the last... Like in the last four years, they've given as much as they did in the last four decades. So take four decades and condense it down into four years. There is an absolute... I mean, an explosion of foreign money on campuses. Qatar is the largest source. And all of these donations to these campuses, all of this started to get reported like in the 80s. They have given over $6 billion. China's $2.3 billion. The Saudis are like way below. But I mean, Qatar is the largest source of all of this foreign money to these campuses. Now, the second largest source of foreign funding is China. So I told you that Qatar, 6.3 billion and counting. China is 5.6 billion and counting. And just like you saw with Qatar, the donations from China have exploded over the past several years. And Again, the universities where you saw all of the upheaval, where you couldn't even have TPUSA go on campus hardly, the Harvards, the Columbias. Oh, guess who? Those are the ones that get the most money from China and Qatar. In fact, every single one of these universities that you have seen in the headlines where the students are like rioting or they're protesting to the extent where it's not safe for conservative speakers to even leave the campus and they have to hide in janitorial closets. Those are all the campuses that have received tons. Those are all the universities that have tons of Qatari and Chinese money. Oh, it's a fact. The receipts are out. Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, Stanford, Columbia, Harvard, lots of them. Why? Because it's soft power. It's to build soft power. They're expanding their influence. If you don't think it's a NatSec issue, I'll remind you, every single revolution started in academia. You could even argue French Revolution started in academia. The color revolution in China started in academia. Russia, academia. Germany in the 30s, academia. Started on college campuses. Every single time. Because you have minds that are easily influenced. And there is a huge effort to continue that trend here in the United States. That's why you've been seeing an increase in all of this stuff on college campuses, because there are absolutely outside sources that are funding it. They like the division. They like the hostility spreading on college campuses. And just like in every other nation where this has happened, it goes from there. So now it becomes a national security issue. I had someone say, well, it really isn't. Tell that to China. Because their communist revolution started in their campuses and took over their entire country. And now look. Tell that to 1930s Germany. Tell it to Russia with the Bolsheviks. I mean, dare I go on? It's without exception. So these... This influence is... I mean, and the Qataris, they're all ramping up their donations. We're going to talk a little bit about this to Stephen Yates as well. But it's interesting to note the Free Press had a piece where Harvard didn't comply with Section 117 of the Higher Education Act. They were trying to not disclose all of this foreign financial funding. That seems sketch to the point where it wasn't just like an over – it wasn't just like someone just – forgot accidentally it wasn't just mere oversight it was purposeful and that this is one of the things that the administration is doing they are looking at these connections between foreign money and the increasing violence and etc that's happening on college campuses It's not just the Soros stuff. It's these foreign countries that would like to sow division. It's very Sun Tzu. If you can sow division within your opponent, you don't even need to do anything because your opponent will divide in half and fight itself. That's exactly the design. It's a soft power move. And that's why it's a national security issue. I don't even know why I mean, and this is just me just speculating, but why are these universities allowed to accept money from foreign governments? Why? It's not like Harvard needs it. Their endowment is billions of dollars. Why are they accepting or allowed to accept money from foreign governments? I'm not even talking about, oh, here's a charitable group. in United Arab Emirates. We're going to donate. No, no, no. It's like literally the Qatari government. Why are universities allowed to accept money from foreign governments? And you know that they come with strings attached. This is a giant question. And then Berkeley, for instance, remember Berkeley, where you had all of those riots and protests and all this stuff break out. Kane, if you had to guess how much money they had that they got recently with a partnership with the communist Chinese government, literally from China's government, how much would you guess?
SPEAKER 09 :
I would say a hundred million or more.
SPEAKER 11 :
Double it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Seriously.
SPEAKER 11 :
Double it and then go up a little bit.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Good Lord.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Yeah. Here's the funny thing. Berkeley refused to report it. The Daily Beast, actually, I can't even believe I'm citing the Daily Beast, which is what the world's come to. They had their headline. This was from May of 23. Berkeley's $220 million mistake exposed in a massive deal with China. So they were trying to get ahead of it and frame it as a mistake. But the people that were investigating the failure to disclose, they didn't really think it was a mistake because they found other purposeful, questionably purposeful omissions. Interesting, yes. So there's a lot of questions to be asked here. And all of this comes together. I was thinking about all of this over this weekend, especially now that people are talking about approaching campus debates and campus events differently in light of security. That I think that right there is the front line. Those college campuses are the front line. And I'm just, you know, I'm curious. I'd be curious to look at money going into that Utah Valley College. Go and look and see all of these universities where the students have gotten more and more agitated and progressive. And it completely corresponds with the massive amount of donations that they get from foreign governments. I'm just saying there is enough there to not only beg the question, but pose a legitimate one. Not even assuming the premise is true. Now you can actually question whether or not it is. It's not even begging the question anymore. It's a legit question. This administration is going to have to get around this. One other quick thing. We're talking about some of the media malpractice, if we have time to do this. I was shocked at the way I had posted this. I think I had tweeted about it online, but I was looking at the situation with the media. So first up, you had this NBC piece, and this had to do with this... Gosh, if I can get our Wi-Fi to work, it'd be great. This had to do... We're just waiting for it to load. Sorry, just doing a live radio show. We're going to wait for the Wi-Fi to load. So this had to do with this Sky Meadow Country Club shooting. Witnesses were saying that the killer was screaming, free Palestine, before he fired upon country club event attendees. And the witnesses were telling the local news, and there's video of it, that the guy was saying, free Palestine, free Palestine. He was saying he was screaming it. That sounded like a pretty targeted attack, I think. Correct? I mean, that's what it sounds like. Here's what NBC did. NBC had a whole piece. Let me pull this up. a whole entire piece where they refused to admit or refused to report on the fact that the killer had screamed free Palestine or that witnesses were telling local media that the killer was screaming it. In their piece, NBC didn't touch on it at all. They reported it like, oh, some guy did something. Cover up.
SPEAKER 09 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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So, a Macon woman admits to using her employer's money to play business as slot machines. It's the average worker in today's workforce. I'm bored already by this story. Let's see. Oh, here's this. Let's do this. This is an Iowa town. So in Iowa, the Jessup Police Department issued a statement regarding harassment from toilet papering people's houses and that. Now the police department says TPing is banned. Anyone caught doing it will face legal charges, etc., And that they said that it's effective immediately. There's zero. I just think it's perfectly good waste of toilet paper. It is kind of a pain to clean up. I've never had, you know, I've only, I've never actually done it to anyone or had it done. I did help spork someone's yard though. Um,
SPEAKER 09 :
I never realized how well off we were back in the day. We're just throwing toilet paper and eggs everywhere.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right? Did we joke about this during COVID? Oh, my gosh. Just don't let your kids do that. It's a waste of resources, and it's annoying. Okay? Just don't. A traveler was caught with human remains at the Tampa airport. When they asked him what he was going to do with it, he said it's for rituals. Woo-hoo. Halloween. U.S. Customs and Border Protection at Tampa. It was a skull. And what's gross is it was all wrapped in foil. Oh, can't. It's so gross. It was all wrapped in foil. And he told officers that the items were for rituals. And due to it being gross and nasty, they I mean, yes, health risks and all that, but just totally grody. They seize them and destroy them. Wow. Who thinks they're going to walk through TSA? Oh, here's my skulls and bones. What is the matter with you? Our friend Steven Yates joins us next.
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Today I can confirm that at the 80th session of the United Nations General Assembly in September, Australia will recognise the state of Palestine. Australia will recognise the right of the Palestinian people to a state of their own, predicated on the commitments Australia has received from the Palestinian Authority. We will work with the international community to make this right a reality.
SPEAKER 11 :
So the entity that is expected to give the assurances is an entity that is so scared of being taken over by Hamas that they suspended elections in 2021. Because after Hamas won back in, what was it, 07, those elections, they took over Gaza Strip. Their popularity surged even more so in West Bank. And they were expected to take control. both territories, and their popularity is still through the roof. They suspended the elections in 21, and then they turned around and blamed Israel by saying, well, we can't just be sure that people there are going to be able to come out and vote, which was a lie. It was a scapegoat to hide the fact that they completely lost control. So when I hear these foreign leaders say, well, you know, the Palestinian Authority is going to give us these assurances, they can't even assure themselves. Joining us on this and a Yates, comms, senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation. He joins us via video. Good to see you, my friend. I mean, I don't think anything's changed since 2021, has it? I mean, if anything, by estimation, Hamas's popularity seems to have grown.
SPEAKER 17 :
Dana, this is a painful story. I mean, the one thing that should have changed since that time is that we passed a sobriety checkpoint somewhere along the way. And this delusional, destructive, lefty weirdo comment about we're going to recognize these people. This buffoon masquerading as a prime minister of a formerly respectful country said, Can't even say where are the territorial boundaries of this mysterious state you are recognizing. What is this demographic population statistics? What is their currency? What is the military that's going to be securing the sovereignty that you are recognizing in this? And of course, since this is, of course, a deeply strategic, principled point of view, and you're concerned about an oppressed Muslim community, you must be recognizing the independent state of East Turkestan, where there is a recognized genocide by China against Uyghurs there. And of course, because this is a deeply principled, strategic and realistic approach to foreign policy, you're recognizing the independence of the state of Taiwan against further threat from China, which is all much closer to Australia, which your people have much more material economic ties with. And so this is disgusting on any number of levels. And worst of all, it doesn't feed a single gazan. It doesn't increase the chances of peace at all. This is virtue signaling with no virtue.
SPEAKER 11 :
You have the UK. Well, you have you have England. Now you have Canada that are coming out saying that we're Keir Starmer said, oh, yes, we're going to affirm the right. What is this? I don't understand what this affirmation of this state based on a made up name from an old dead Roman emperor. What that has to what does it get them? What does it accomplish?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I mean, the Brits really got a thank you very much in the form of, since you're going to recognize us, how about you pay reparations for the decades that you were our ruler? And so that is, as my dad might have said, a fine how do you do in exchange for this political sop in their direction. What it really is, is trying to pretend as if They're smarter and more virtuous than President Trump in trying to negotiate and hold peace. But what they're really doing is undermining any incentive for hostages to be released and a ceasefire to be honored. And what they're doing is empowering the low-grade terrorism that occasionally rears its nasty evil head that comes out of that region.
SPEAKER 11 :
It seems to me that the fanaticism seen early on in the aughts with the ascension to power by Hamas and it's the spread of its influence in that region, that that's going to be the de facto ruling ideology. Because from everything that I've seen, and maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't see any other faction getting close to having Hamas's influence. And so we're I mean, the way I look at it is these countries are legitimizing a terrorist organization that basically controls the PA.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think that's what they're doing, but I think it's even worse than that. I think they're empowering terrorist mobs in their own countries. And what this is is less foreign policy as it is defeatist and I think destructive politics in their own countries. And so this has less to do with facts on the ground, which I think we can easily dismiss as this doesn't feed anyone. This doesn't make peace. What this is, is trying to beg for peace from a merciless, violent mob in their own country that their own policies have enabled.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's a great point. Talking with our friend Stephen Yates, who you can find on X at Yatescoms. I have a couple of things I wanted to ask you about, especially getting into some of this TikTok and the Trump G meeting. But I wanted to ask you really quickly, we were talking a little bit ago about the biggest donors to American universities and Qatar and China, one and two, which is so weird because Qatar is such a tiny little country, but they've donated like over $6 billion. Like in the past 40 years, it's been what all condensed into four years of spending what would normally take them 40 years to do. China has also increased. Obviously, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that all of the universities where all of the riots and all of the Well, right. So it's not even a peaceful protest. All of the bad stuff have been all of the campuses, all of the universities that receive all of this money. And we were talking about Berkeley who got in major trouble for not disclosing that they got all of this money from the CCP and they were trying to hide it. And the Daily Beast actually broke that story. Why is that allowed? Am I I'm all about freedom and all of that. But at the same time, I really don't we don't need communist China or Qatar donating billions of dollars to universities because those are strings on that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, well, first, I just can't let past that all of the ideologues and demagogues of the left really can't sit idly by. Those private jets won't fly themselves and those laboratories won't run themselves. And so they allow one of the richest fossil fuel benefiting countries to fund them and one of the most successful fossil fuel burning countries to donate to them to allow their lives to continue. so on top of it all there is a mountain of wreaking hypocrisy on all of this but i do think it's time to step back and say why are universities so expensive and what exactly are they producing that is of value to society our country and to the poor customers that go through uh and i i really think that all this money pouring in, yeah, people, if you have the money, they'll find a way to spend it, and boy, have they, but they're not producing better outcomes. At best, what these other countries are getting is maybe some hard sciences going back to their country, but it's not as if we are producing genius citizens going through these processes, and we are definitely generating huge pass-through debts for those graduates. So I think it's high time to start thinking about the American pupil first and the American net value dividend in this first before going down the road of foreign contributions.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, exactly. Oh, I hope that that comes to I hope that that comes to realization. The US is going to complete the tick tock deal in the coming days and control the algorithm. Is this enough for you? Do you think I mean, because I consider you the good gauge as to whether or not anything revolve involving China is decent and acceptable. What say you on this?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I guess some would say I'm an extremist. I can't believe that with all the wealth and expertise and tools that we have in this country, that someone in America with our own technology and wealth hasn't created an equally evil and intoxicating and addictive app that could lure people at least away from the commie-fueled one. And I just can't get past that first speed bump in the conversation. I do have a lot of grace I would give the administration the sense that where things were before was dangerous and unacceptable. And if this deal plays out as advertised, I think it's net progress. But I will still have some concerns or questions. I mean, how can an egghead like me know whether the algorithm is completely hived off? How will we really know whether the foreign influence doesn't just shift to indirect instead of direct and obvious? And so I think there's still a lot to answer in all of this. I really hope that just like we had a national conversation about the centrality of faith being part of American revival, I hope that breaking addiction to handheld devices is another way we try to save the souls, the minds, and the productivity of our next generation. And all of these things are part of that. But the least we should agree on is icing out any strategic adversary from ownership or control. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction, but I have no way to really know until it's done.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and I think that's – I completely – I agree with everything you said. I just – I mean, I don't have anything else to add to it. I think it's just all – I'm like, I'm not going to wait. I'm not going to make a determination about this issue until I talk to Stephen Yates. Our last thing, South Korea, apparently this is going to be the – This is interesting. Why are they going to be the venue for the Trump-Xi sit-down?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, the grand strategy behind that is that the members of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation rotate the hosting, except for one. One member is never allowed to host. And I bet you can get it right away. And it happens to be the economy, in air quotes, known as Taiwan.
SPEAKER 11 :
I was going to say, does it run with Shumai Wan? Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, they're not allowed to host. But everyone else is supposed to take turns. And I don't think every single member has taken a turn, but maybe. I could be wrong on that. But this is just luck of the draw that it came around to Korea's time to host. And it always comes in the late October or sometime in November timeframe. Usually there are leader meetings that will take place and ministerial meetings where foreign ministers will get together, and then there should be economic talks since it's, after all, an economic gathering. This started in 1993 in Seattle, and it's just kind of had an inertia of its own. It's sort of like the UN General Assembly in a way where the meeting itself is one thing, but it's the side meetings and bilaterals that are the opportunity to do things. And so in a way, I always thought this made sense as a time of opportunity. I take it as a signal from the administration That the deal making is not ripe enough to justify a standalone visit to China, which actually gives me some solace because I have grave doubts about the follow through by any big deal by China. I'd like to see them maybe stop sending fentanyl precursors into the United States before we make some kind of a deal. But that's just me.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, I agree with that. I agree with that also. I agree with everything you're saying. You're just the perfect guest. Our good friend. He's never wrong. Our good friend, Stephen Yates at Yatescoms on X. We're going to be watching that meeting with great interest. And I can't wait to talk with you after. Good to see you, my friend. Have a great week. God bless you.
SPEAKER 17 :
Thank you, Dana. Take care.
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The rhetoric that Charlie Kirk continuously put out there was rhetoric that specifically targeted people of color. And so it is unfortunate that even our colleagues could not see how harmful his rhetoric was specifically to us and I can tell you that a month prior to him passing away, he had actually gotten out on his podcast. I wasn't aware of this at the time, but he got out there and he was talking negatively about me directly. So if there was any way that I was going to honor somebody who decided that they were just going to negatively talk about me and proclaim that I was somehow involved in the great white replacement. Yeah, I'm not honoring that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER 11 :
First of all, none of that's true. Secondly, you know, do as Jesus said in the Gospels, only like people who like you. Is that what it says? Totes what it says, man. I don't think so. Yeah, totes what it says. I mean, in Jasmine Crockett's Bible, anyway. Only like be nice and stuff to people who are like nice and stuff to you. That's, you know, that's what it says. Matthew 11 and a half. in there I mean first off he didn't pass away yeah He didn't pass away. He was assassinated, number one. She did this on Sunday, which is why we're talking yesterday, guys. That's why we're talking about it right now. That's first. Number two, he criticized her lack of doing anything. And he only ever criticized her policies and her inability to actually sponsor legislation. So notice how she's like, well, he was just talking negatively about me. Okay, well, I do too. But that doesn't mean that someone should be executed for it. And it doesn't mean that you can't be. He disagreed with you. She doesn't. She's not smart enough to disagree with him just on simple premise. She has to take it and get dirty and lie about him. He never said anything like that. In fact, there's tons of video out there contrary to that. But she's not a good faith dealer, which is why she's one of the reasons why I'm so ecstatic that she's redistricted out, because I think she brings the IQ quotient. I think she brings the whole intelligence quotient of the Democrat Party down a couple points. And while I don't like them, I don't want them to be so stupid that you cannot persuade some of them to come and vote properly. So that being said, just ridiculous. Can we do a flashback real quick? This is for all the people screaming about free speech as it pertains to the FCC, which I've addressed a million times as to why I disagree with their premises on that. Where were these people for this little audio soundbite with what Zuckerberg told Joe Rogan? Listen.
SPEAKER 07 :
these people from the biden administration would call up our team and like scream at them and curse and it's like these documents are it's all kind of out there did you record any of those phone calls i don't know i don't think i don't think we were but but i think i want to listen i mean there are emails the emails are published it's all it's all kind of out there and um and they're like And basically, it just got to this point where we were like, no, we're not going to we're not going to take down things that are true. That's ridiculous. They want us to take down this meme of Leonardo DiCaprio looking at a TV talking about how 10 years from now or something, you know, you're going to see an ad that says, OK, if you took a covid vaccine, you're eligible, you know, like for for this kind of payment, like sort of like.
SPEAKER 11 :
class action lawsuit type meme and they're like no you have to take that down that's the meme where Leonardo DiCaprio was in the chair with a drink pointing at the television and it was one of the final scenes in uh oh Hollywood the um the movie he did with Brad Pitt Oh my gosh. I'm dying right now. Hold up, hold up.
SPEAKER 09 :
But it is the class action lawsuit ad.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it was an ad for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. So it was one of the last scenes in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. He sees something on TV and he leans up in the recliner and he's pointing at it. So it was that meme. That's what Zuckerberg was talking about. The admin actually was trying to bully them into... deleting things so they're free speech warriors kane today's stupidity i'm so sorry i ran long it was jasmine crockett but uh why be redundant i'll give you more time yeah i'll give you more more time i won't rob you tomorrow folks that does it for us today find us at sub stack sign up youtube facebook like and subscribe back with you tomorrow 200 000 subscribers
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All right, welcome back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. All right, we've got a special guest joining us right now, Mitch Francis. Mitch, welcome. How are you? I'm fine, John. How are you? I'm doing very well. I appreciate you joining us. And we're going to talk a little bit about, of course, the Fed and different things along those lines. But you are the founder of Francis Development, Inc. Talk about that for a moment.
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Well, I have a 40-year business background. I created and have been the CEO of publicly traded companies, of private companies. My last public company did a billion dollars in sales. And I developed and still own and manage commercial real estate all throughout the U.S.
SPEAKER 13 :
Awesome. Well, we have a few things in common. I've been doing it about that long, not at the level that you are, but have a similar background. And I always enjoy talking to fellow business owners, entrepreneurs, and so on. And I like you, by the way. I read through all of our notes here. And you and I are on the same page when it comes to the Federal Reserve. Oh, that's too bad. I thought you're going to argue with me. No, no, you're not going to get too many arguments out of me because I have felt like a and I was saying this back when they were slow to raise rates because they called interest or they called inflation transitory, which at that time, everybody, myself included, knew that it wasn't. And they were late to the game then. And I have felt that they have been late to the game and bringing them back down.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that's true, and it's practically always true. It's a cliche, but the Federal Reserve is always looking in the rearview mirror. They take data that's already happened and then try to manipulate the U.S. economy. And unfortunately, they do a really bad job of it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yep. And part of that, I feel, and I want to get your opinion on this, because this is where I feel these guys struggle. And I always look at, you know, who's on the Fed board, what's their background and so on. And the reality is, I think maybe one or two of them might have been in the VC world and had a little bit of background in some of that. But the reality, Mitch, is none of them have ever written a paycheck.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I couldn't agree more. One of the solutions I have to the Federal Reserve is creating an entirely new Fed board. And one of the requirements to serving on the Fed board is that, in my proposal, is that at least half of your career has had to have been out in the public environment with real jobs.
SPEAKER 13 :
I'm with you.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. I mean, how can these people relate? They can't. They're book-learned economists, typically. And, you know, unfortunately, you know, I learned this, by the way, at the University of Colorado. Economics is not a science.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 16 :
People, they guess.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, no, they do. And by the way, thanks for attending college here at CU. It's where I grew up in Boulder, Colorado. So thank you for that, by the way. I was born and raised in Denver. Awesome. Well, we have a lot more in common then.
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We do.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I'm with you, though. And by the way, I like your proposal because I feel like that's I know you couldn't make that requirement for politicians, although we should, because so many politicians that are setting laws and policy for guys like you and I. have never sat in you and I's shoes ever. They have no idea what it's like to hire, fire, write paychecks, go out and borrow money, do lines of credit, all the different things that it takes to keep things functioning. Most of these guys have never done, most guys and gals have never done anything along those lines. They're clueless when you start talking to them about those things, and yet they want to govern us by never doing it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I totally agree, and actually I do strongly believe that that should be a requirement to govern. You have to have worked in the private sector.
SPEAKER 13 :
As you know, so many of these individuals spend their entire career. In fact, it always bothers me. I don't know about you, but the biggest thing that I get a turnoff on when it comes to politicians is when I hear they're a career politician, meaning they've never had a real job.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. No, it doesn't help us. These people don't know. That's what you're saying. They don't know what we need them to be doing and why.
SPEAKER 13 :
So when it comes to the Fed, and I mentioned this last week, you saw the quarter point token rate cut, which is the way I looked at it, Mitch. That was basically to keep Powell out of hot water from the White House, which he's already in hot water over. And I get all of the folks that are out there talking about how there needs to be a separation between, you know, the Fed and the White House and so on. Although, Mitch. I think the frustration that the White House is the same frustration that I have is we have an economy right now that is – I want to get your feeling on this, but my feeling is the economy is raring to go. There are a certain amount of individuals, business owners, et cetera, that are just ready to pull the trigger on moving things forward, expanding their businesses, hiring, doing things along those lines, buying equipment, but the Fed is holding them back.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I agree. And I go a lot deeper than that, actually, in my book. I wrote a book called Badass Solutions for today's big-ass problems. And one of the 20 problems is the Federal Reserve. And it goes very deep. The Federal Reserve has two functions. One is to control inflation, and the other is to positively enhance employment in the U.S. And unfortunately, they have... two virtually useless tools to be able to use that were created when the Fed was created in 1913. You know, we had a very simple economy. And the two tools that they have to work with are raise and lower interest rates or buy and sell securities. And it's kind of funny, John, you know, relative to our very complex economy, it's kind of like going to your dentist for a root canal. And the only tool he has is floss. Right. And that's what the Federal Reserve is using, raising and lowering interest rates. And this recent bout of inflation that we had from 2022 was not due to normal causes of inflation. It was really due to COVID and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which caused oil prices to literally double almost overnight. Right. and the supply chain problems that were also largely caused by COVID.
SPEAKER 13 :
And, of course, the printing of money, which you already know that as well. So you add that because of COVID, the printing of money, the war, which also made us print money, the supply chain issues, which didn't make us print money, but it made businesses raise prices because as the supply and demand changes, as you know, Mitch, when there's less of something, prices go up. Well, that's exactly what happened. Exactly what happened. So you're right. All of that was, I call it the perfect storm, and that's why we had inflation upwards of 9%, which now it's down around, what, 2.6%, 2.7%, depending upon whose figures you actually look at. This is a question for you. Because I talk about this even off air quite a bit. Do you feel that target 2% rate of the Fed needs to be readjusted? In other words, is that too low anymore to actually be a target rate for them when it comes to inflation?
SPEAKER 16 :
My gut says yes, it's kind of too low. There seems to be a natural level of between two and three somewhere. I think having a rigid requirement is a bad policy. You know, these guys are trying to walk a tightrope between inflation and healthy employment. So you can't quite always get that exactly right and say, well, it has to be 2% is probably not the right direction.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and lastly, and I'll throw this at you, I really feel like the biggest reason we haven't seen more from the Fed is all of what you just said, all the things that we've talked about. But then add on top of that, this utter disdain that Powell has for Trump and the fact that he's going to prove himself right over Trump being wrong. You throw that into the mix. That's why we haven't had more adjustments.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I can't argue with that at all. But here's something that's really, I think, kind of shocking when you think about this. That we just named reasons for the inflation that we've had for 2020-2022 that were not normal causes of inflation. But the Fed fought it with raising interest rates. And none of those causes of inflation would be solved by higher inflation. Good point. None of them. It's an incredibly important point.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I'm glad you said that because as all that was going on, and my listeners know this, I was telling a lot of them, including a lot of experts that were coming on that were financial gurus, that the Fed keeping rates up or even raising them added to inflation because when businesses have a higher borrowing cost and they're trying to figure out how to make ends meet and they've got lines of credit and so on, And as those costs go up, guess what, Mitch? I've said this for years. Businesses don't pay their expenses. They don't pay taxes. The customers do.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. It's silly how much I agree with you. I'm sorry. I really wanted to fight you.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, no, and there's no fight. But here's my frustration. Why is it guys like you and I, and I never went to college, by the way. You were one step ahead of me. I went to high school and I was barely lucky to get out of high school. So at the end of the day, I'm not near as smart as you are. But why is it that folks like you and I can figure this out and the Fed can't?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I think they probably have figured it out that their tools are inadequate. I think they know that. But I truly fault everybody back from Volcker, who totally misused these tools and killed the economy, all the way up to Jay Powell, who loved Volcker. And, and modeled himself after Volcker. And I was like, I fell out of my lazy boy. I got to tell you, it was unbelievable to hear that one. But John, the inflation factors that we had that, that pushed us up to nine to 9% inflation, catch this. They resolved on their own.
SPEAKER 13 :
True. True.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oil went up from $65 to $130 almost overnight. Right. But as the world started to realize that there was enough supply of oil in the world and more oil was produced here, etc., etc., the oil level, the oil price floated back down to $65. That's where we are now.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right. That's right.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the supply chain problems were... that everybody was scared of COVID. We couldn't get longshoremen to unload boats and ships. We couldn't get truckers to drive the goods to stores. So we had massive supply problems, like you mentioned earlier, causing inflation. But as those resolved, as People got more comfortable. People went back to work. COVID wasn't killing anymore, or very much more. And the supply chains got regular again. The inflation factor went down on its own. Those things did not happen because we had high interest rates that made it harder to buy houses and cars. And by the way, the one thing we haven't talked about with high interest rates that the Fed did to us, They increased the cost of the federal government's interest factor.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right. That's right. You're absolutely right.
SPEAKER 16 :
It went from a little bit over 1% to 4%. So it went from about $300 billion to over a trillion per year. That's right. So the federal government is having to pay more for interest, which means you and I. Which means we're either paying or borrowing to pay that is what we're doing.
SPEAKER 13 :
We're doing both. We're paying it and we're borrowing it both.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's true. And the debt is going up a trillion dollars every hundred days. To me, this is clearly why Trump is on the warpath. I agree. Because he can't get anywhere paying a trillion dollars of interest. That's right. It's more than we pay for defense. It's a fifth. of every dollar that the federal government takes in in taxes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
It's interest.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right. Real quick, before I let you go, which I love the conversation, by the way. You're welcome back anytime. I've enjoyed this. What are your thoughts on the whole tariff end of things? I've talked since the beginning and knew what Trump was planning to do. Part of the supply chain issues, by the way, had to do with the fact that we get way too much from other countries. And in a lot of cases, some of that stuff could be made right here. At home, I think that's one thing that Trump's trying to do. I realize that doesn't happen overnight, but I also realize that tariffs aren't as bad as what even the Fed and a lot of others out there, including some folks on the right, would say. At the end of the day, it's proven that I and what we've talked about here on this program from day one, we've turned out to be right because there's been little to no effect from them.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, clearly that's the data that's coming in. I do support tariffs. I don't like the shotgun blast approach that he's done at the very beginning. And the worldwide fear that he set off at the beginning of his tariff quest, I think was unnecessary. And it hurt the U.S. economy and the U.S. stock market terribly. And it took a while to recover. It took about six months to recover. And while I agree with the concept and the policy... I think we needed to do a little more surgical approach to it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I can't argue that. But one side of me says, on the same token, it's something about that shock factor that got a lot of these countries to do some things that they may not have done otherwise. So, again, I'll give him some grace. I'm not in that position, fortunately, or maybe unfortunately. I don't know which, Mitch.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think unfortunately. Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Unfortunately, but at the end of the day, what they all predicted would happen with tariffs, I will say, and you know this because you just said it a moment ago, the data has shown that they weren't correct. Those that are on his side, he's been very accurate in what he's talked about. And part of that, Mitch, as you know, is because there was a lot of profit. From the manufacturing side, I always use the tennis shoe as a great example because it's one of the biggest things we import, and it's got a lot of profit in it. And I've even listened to some of the execs that have talked about that end of things. The reality is they've absorbed a lot of that cost on the export and even the import side, meaning the cost of a tennis shoe hasn't gone up much at all. Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. That's really interesting, isn't it?
SPEAKER 13 :
It really is. It just shows you how much profit there is on the cost. And the other thing, too, that people forget about tariffs is a tennis shoe coming out of the factory, coming into the U.S. is probably $10, even though that shoe sells for $120. The actual import cost is only about $10. So even if you double that, it's $20. It still isn't a lot of money at the end of the day, Mitch. That's amazing. It really is. Hey, how do folks get the book, Mitch? I should ask you that before I let you go.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, thanks a lot. It's called Badass Solutions, with or without a hyphen, Badass Solutions. Easiest is Amazon. You can get it anywhere books are sold. And I have a website called bad-ass-solutions.com.
SPEAKER 13 :
Mitch, it's Mitch Francis again, founder, I should say, of Francis Development Incorporated. Mitch, you're welcome anytime. I appreciate it. It's been a great conversation.
SPEAKER 16 :
I've enjoyed it a lot. Thanks for having me.
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You're very welcome. Have a great rest of your day. And again, Mitch Francis, F-R-A-N-C-I-S. Coming up next, Veteran Windows and Doors. Speaking of costs and how all that works, Veteran Windows and Doors cuts out the middleman, therefore saving you money when it comes to Windows and Doors. Talk to Dave today. Just go to klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 13 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. That was a good conversation, by the way, that we just had with Mitch. I enjoyed that greatly. Okay. Along those lines, this is something that I will do my best to explain because it's not being very well received on Wall Street, which, by the way, anytime you read a headline that says Wall Street doesn't like such and such, honestly, who cares? I'm sorry. Some of those guys, like I just was talking to Mitch a moment ago, they've never written a paycheck either. They're clueless as to how some of this stuff also works. So there is a program. That's very popular with the tech world called H-1B. It's a visa program. And that's for high tech workers. And up until now, you know, companies could apply. They'd bring people in. And I've known certain individuals where a immigrant, a, you know, worker, visa worker, has come in and supplanted that person in their job. In fact, it happens quite a bit. You've even heard stories, most of you have, where that particular person that lost their job even trained the person from overseas how to do their job. And it happens. And what Trump is wanting to do, the current administration, is they want to implement a rule that requires a $100,000 fee for that type of a visa. And I think where he's going with this, this is I have not interviewed Donald Trump to know this for sure. But I'm guessing what he's trying to do is level the playing field for workers that we have here that are currently doing that job is what a lot of companies will do. And by the way, these companies will have this excuse of, well, there's not enough of those workers here, so we have to import them in. No, that's not really the case, by the way. I'll just tell you straight up. There are some really smart people overseas that do come into this country and work very well, but by and large, that's not the reason they bring them in. It's dollars and cents. They can bring that same worker in where they might be paying an engineer or a programmer or somebody here. Let's just use a round number of $100,000. Maybe that's the salary they're paying somebody, most likely higher than that. But we'll use $100,000 as a nice round number. They can bring somebody in from overseas for half that. And I'm not exaggerating. At least two-thirds of that. And save a gob of money. And keep in mind, if it's not a seasoned programmer, they probably don't even have the same benefit package they're offering that new worker coming in from overseas that they had to offer their last worker that was here. Vacation pay, sick pay, all of the different things that go into that. They can do it for a lot less money. And I'm not exaggerating. They can most likely cut that payroll back by at least 30 to 40 percent, if not 50 percent. So when you hear any of these people on Wall Street and so on talk about how this is going to have ill effect, well, in some cases it will raise prices at those particular organizations. It most likely will, yes. But it also keeps a job here in America versus having somebody import it in. And I need to speak about this because this is another misconception that a lot of folks have, especially on Wall Street. Which, by the way, all they typically look at is what stock prices are going to do with any given company, what are the earnings reports, and so on. They don't look at the overall picture. In the case of immigrants that come to work in America, especially when they're on a visa program, this is not the case for all, but it is the case for a lot. that money doesn't stay here. What I mean by that is that immigrant worker, whether it's on the H-1B program or the H-2B program, H-2B is for agriculture and all of that, by and large, a good percentage of that money goes back to their home countries. In fact, The way I can prove that is I had this in my notes several weeks ago and just never got around to talking about it, and that was that the Trump administration, again, they want to start taxing those transfers, that money that's going back to other countries. And I haven't kept up on that story. I apologize. We've had so much other stuff going on. As you all know, in the last couple of weeks, I haven't kept up on that to see exactly where that policy is at. But the Trump administration wanted to start taxing those dollars that were going back to other countries. Mexico, Costa Rica, Guatemala, I can get on the list. Even overseas to Europe and India and places like that. Partially because I think what Trump's trying to do is either A, tax it and keep some of that money still here, or encourage them to not send that money back. But in a lot of cases, the breadwinner of the family will leave, come here legally or illegally, And it happens both ways, by the way, both sides of the aisle. They'll come here, and I'm not exaggerating when I say this. I've known some of these individuals, and I've had these conversations with folks that have immigrated here, so I can say this firsthand. They'll send half of their paycheck back. Half. So if they make $100, $50 is going back home. And that's literally what those families will then rely on to live. That's how the system works. Some of you are probably listening to me right now, have no idea this has been happening, but this is exactly how it works. A large portion of our outside workers that come to America on both visa programs will come here and at least half of their paycheck exits the U.S., meaning it doesn't get spent here, meaning it's not helping our economy at all. Because typically when you have a company and you hire workers, those workers run around town, they spend money, they buy houses, they do all sorts of things with it. You know, they buy food, groceries and entertainment and, and, and cars and the like. It's how the economy works. There's a multiplier for that worker making X amount of money and then spending it around town because then those merchants get to spend their money around town and it snowballs. You know, it multiplies. Until you take half of that money out of the equation and send it back to a foreign country where they then have those dollars to use in their economy. So the whining out of the proposed taxing of these wire transfers through Western Union mainly, the whining was from the other countries. Because they realize that if this money somehow gets diminished and we don't have the same amount coming back in, we need the U.S. and the money that's being sent here. Otherwise, our economy collapses. Going back to what Andy and I talk about every single Tuesday, and we mention this with almost every single economist that comes on, including Jordan Goodman, we are the biggest guys on the block. I'm just proving it. Our money goes everywhere. We literally, as a country, support multitudes of other countries through various things, the buying of their goods, the export of the money to them, like I just said, the defense of other countries, and, and, and, I can go down the list. It's because of us that some of these countries survive at all. Something, by the way, the folks on the left have never figured out. Actually, I do think they do understand. They just don't care. As I continue to say, the left really doesn't care about people. They pretend to, but they really don't. They're a bunch of hypocrites because they really don't care. But going back to this whole H-1B program and the fact that Donald Trump wants to tax, essentially, charge a fee, 100 grand, for that type of visa, that's going to level the playing field. If this gets enacted and this goes the direction that he wants it to, this is going to level the playing field for current workers in the United States. By the way, here's the facts on how many H-1B recipients there are through 2025, June 30th of 2025. Amazon has 10,044. Tata Consulting Services, by the way, or Tata, I should say, Consulting Services, that's an Indian company. Tata Motors and so on. He's a billionaire. He's a billionaire. I think he passed away here recently, but the company continues on. They have 5,505. Microsoft has 5,189. Meta, that's, of course, Facebook and Instagram and so on. They have 5,123. Apple has 4,202. Google has 4,181. Cognizant Technology Services, they have 2,493. JPMorgan Chase has 2,440. Walmart has 2,390. Deloitte, I don't know what they do. They have 2,353. So what Trump wants to do is level the playing field because for every one of those jobs, there's an American worker that doesn't have one or had to go somewhere else and take a pay cut or do whatever the case may be because a foreign worker replaced them at a significantly less cost. So as you guys all know, I'm all for a free market and letting companies do what they need to do. And yes, those charges get passed on to customers. I just had that conversation a moment ago with our last guest. But I'm also for keeping the playing field level, and Trump is trying to do that because it hasn't been level. Again, these companies will take advantage of the foreign workers and let their U.S. worker go because they can cut that payroll in half. And I'll tell you right now, I can't blame them if that's the system and they're just working inside the system. I'm not mad at them for doing that. That's a system that's there. And we've allowed that. We shouldn't have. We should have been doing what Trump wants to do from day one and never allowed that to happen in the first place. If we had, it would be a different playing field today. It'd be way different. So, again, when you see headlines that talk about this, and the headline reads, this is coming out of MarketWatch.com, no company is safe. Trump's H-1B shocker hits tech giants that work with him. And I've read several articles to where Wall Street is reeling because they're not happy with this. They don't like this because it's going to change things with, again, profits and earnings and so on when it comes to some of these companies. Here's what I do know. They'll figure it out. They always do. Right now, they're on Easy Street. They can go hire an Indian-born worker, for example, that's got some technology skills, that has learned things that, by the way, might have even been educated here in the U.S. with your tax dollars when it's all said and done. They can now come back, apply for a visa, usually get it, work here, and they take away somebody else's job in the process. And I'm not exaggerating in any way. I'm saying I've met these people in this field, and I can tell you this happens. Some of you listening know exactly what I'm talking about. So, again, at the end of the day, is this something I support? Yeah. And I'm not normally somebody that supports taxing things, quote unquote. It's essentially what Trump is doing here. But Trump's doing this to level the playing field, much like he's done with tariffs, by the way. All right, we've got to do a quick break here. I'll come right back. Golden Eagle Financial is up next. And you notice there's no Richard today. 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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Normally, this time of the week, again, I have my son with me, and we do a car review on a weekly basis. And since he's not here, I have one that I will do. In fact, this is a review that I've been wanting to do here for a few weeks. And I had a chance to hop on this car about a month ago, right before I went on vacation. And, of course, everything happening since vacation, I didn't get a chance to get to this as quickly as I would have liked to. And several of you have asked me specifically about this car. And it is the new Kia K4. That's the name of the car, K4. And there's several different models in the lineup. The car that we drove was pretty well equipped and came in retail price of just under $28,000. So right at that number. That's the GT line turbo, by the way. So they've got a GT line turbo, a GT line, an EX, an LX, or sorry, an LXS, and an LX. The LX starting at $21,990. 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And I do the same thing because I don't look because I kind of want to know based upon how well does it drive, how good does it look, what's the fit and finish like, what's the interior comfort like, and so on. How noisy is it, and so on. One thing I'm going to start doing, which I mentioned on Drive Radio on Saturday, is I'm going to start using a decibel meter on a lot of the cars I drive to tell you how quiet they are on the inside or not. That's one of the things some of you have been asking for, so I will definitely do that. This is a car, by the way, that gets high 30s, almost 40 miles to the gallon as far as fuel economy goes. Very well equipped. I go back to what my wife and I both thought the price was, well over $30,000, by the way. We weren't even close. I thought this car would come in the mid-30s, just the way it's equipped. That's how nice it's set up interior-wise, agronomically, and so on. It's an extremely nice car, especially when you look at the price. But when you get inside this car and climb in, you won't think you're driving a $25,000 car. It's that well-equipped. And, folks, I'm not exaggerating when I say that. So for some of you that have been thinking about buying a nice, you know, four-door sedan, maybe you've got a teen driver coming along. Maybe you're just looking to do something different for your daily driver, and you're looking for something that's more on the economical end of things. The Kia K4 fits that very, very well. It's got a very nice dash layout, the way the screen comes across the entire—not the entire, but— two-thirds of the front of the car of the dash of the car very well laid out the buttons are easy to find which it does have some buttons which actually i really like so key if you're listening i appreciate that but they've incorporated one big screen that handles all of your what you're seeing to drive you know speedometer all of that plus all of your nav and if you want to run car play or whatever else you're doing All that's kind of off to the right. They've incorporated that into one big screen, done a very nice job. And again, inside comfort room or inside comfort quality, let me say it that way, is extremely high. I was very impressed with this car. You guys know me. I don't get impressed with a lot of cars because I drive a lot of different cars throughout the years. But I will tell you, for the money. For the money, this is one of the toughest cars to beat because it's got a nice roomy interior. The trunk is nice and sizable. Again, the engine, no, you're not going to set any land speed records. But for daily driving, does it do everything you need to do? Absolutely, it does. I did not look to see what kind of offers there are on this car. I would go check this out at your local Kia dealer. And by the way, when you do that, let them know that John and Richard Rush both from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you. All right, wanted to get that car review out of the way. It's one that I've been trying to get done here for quite some time, and several of you have asked about that car specifically. And, yeah, that's a car, frankly, that's a car that I would definitely own. Okay, really quick, back to our last topic that I was talking about. Charlie said something in my ear, and when he used to ride public transportation, he would hear a lot of the conversations that I'm talking about in regards to money being sent home. OK, so verifying what I said, by the way, I mean, I knew that existed. I've read I've read about how it exists. I've known people that do these things. I've talked to people that have immigrated here. So I know everything I just said was very true. But during the break, Charlie validated it because he's heard those conversations for himself as to how much money gets sent home. Now, one thing Charlie mentioned as well, which is one of the reasons why I think we should do some taxing. I don't know how much, but I'm not for new taxes. But in this case, I am for these taxes because currently I don't think any of that's tracked. There is a lot of cash, for example, that is made here in America under the table. And yet a good portion of that is sent back to other countries. And frankly, for the most part, untraceable. I mean, I guess if the IRS or somebody wanted to go and audit Western Union's books, they could figure out what some of this actually is. But I guarantee you they are not looking on an individual basis to determine who is doing what. Yet I have to. I have to report my earnings. Charlie, he has to report his earnings. All of you, you have to report your earnings. So how is it fair for folks to come here illegally, work under the table, get cash, ship half of that back home and never get taxed on it? To me, that's not fair. So I think what Donald Trump is looking at is, okay, how do we level the playing field and how do we make this fair for hardworking Americans that actually are here, that are paying their taxes, that are working hard, that are doing the things to add back to our economy? Every one of their dollars stays here. How do we level that playing field? That's what he's doing with the H-1B program, and it's what he's trying to also do by implementing some sort of a tax on basically money orders that go out of country. Western Union, by the way, is the majority of that. I don't think there's too many others that do that. Don't quote me because I don't live in that world. But I think the majority of those are Western Union that go all around the world. And again, a good portion of what's made here in America by illegals that come here and even H-1B workers, legal green card, we call them, green card workers, even they will send a lot of money back home. That money doesn't stay here. So, Trump's idea of taxing not only the $100,000 when it comes to the H-1B program, but then on top of that, taxing the transfers that actually go out of country. Yeah, I'm all for it. As you guys all know, I'm not a new tax guy. I don't like taxes, typically. But in this case, when there's likely very little or no being paid, yeah. I'm tired of me paying everything. I guess I'm trying to say it that way. Those of us, you know, me, Charlie, a lot of you listening, we pay our fair share. We are net taxpayers. We pay as we go. And yet there's a lot of folks out there that don't. And I'll be quite honest with you. I'm tired of that. Just like a lot of people, I've heard from a lot of people here in the last week about how you're going to get a lot more bold about talking about things that Charlie Kirk talked about and how you're tired of everybody else sort of ruling the roost and the left having its way and us never saying anything and we just sort of sit idly by. A lot of people are starting to stand up and speak for what they believe in. You know what? When it comes to these things, I'm the same way. This is on the financial side, though. I'm tired of being the net taxpayer all the time, especially for those that aren't. I'm tired of it, and I'm sure some of you are exactly the same way. I'm tired of paying more than my fair share while others pay none. It's not fair. And a lot of you, I'm sure, I can't see you because I can't see your faces, but I'm sure there's a lot of you that are listening to the radio right now, shaking your head or nodding your head in agreement with me, Or you might be shaking your head in disgust because you're having to do what I'm doing, but you're nodding your head in agreement because you know exactly what I'm talking about. We are the ones that prop everything up while others don't have to do anything. And frankly, the system isn't fair in that way. Donald Trump, and I believe he does this not because of him, but because of love for country. And I know there's a lot of folks on the left that would disagree with me. They call him a tyrant and he's tyrannical and he's a total fascist and this, that, and the other. I mean, that's all they claim. And by the way, that's why you have some of the things that happened with Charlie Kirk and others. You have some of those types of events happen is because of that rhetoric because that's what they say. Quite frankly, it's the opposite. He loves this country more than the people that call him a fascist do. And he proves it with some of the things I've even mentioned today. Trying to level the playing field for American workers, whether it be through the H-1B program, H-2B program, taxing those transfers that are going out of country, tariffs. Folks, I can go down the list. And yet all of those things I just mentioned, there's those on the left that talk about how he doesn't love America. And he's just a fascist. And on and on we go. Well, how can all of that be? when he's doing the things that I'm mentioning, that level the playing field for American workers. The energy side of things and not buying into wind and solar and all the nonsense there, which the majority of that comes from overseas, and getting back to us creating more of our own jobs and oil and our own energy and so on. How is all of that wrong? Dave, you're next.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, you know, John, it's not necessarily that this is a new tax. It's something that should have been taxed all along.
SPEAKER 13 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
So, and the thing is, to make it fair, and this is what gets me is where the left doesn't, they're always talking about equity, but yet when, it's never about fairness. What is fair to the American worker? What is fair to the blue-collar worker? Those people that the Democratic Party has abandoned for criminals and illegal aliens.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, that's not fair in and of itself. And, you know... A 2%, 3%, 4% tax on all that money that's going out of the country that's not being taxed or tracked at all? Who knows what the source of it is? Correct?
SPEAKER 13 :
Correct. You're right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. Also, the thing with that also is, here I just read this morning that President Trump is revisiting or having HHS revisit the rules for who gets food assistance, WIC, SSI, whatever. And originally, and this is what's so funny, is that that law was last amended under the 96th Immigration Reform Act, who was signed into law by Bill Clinton, the Democrat. He signed that into law that specifically laid out that illegal aliens cannot access any kind of public services, even if they qualify for a green card, even if you come over as the spouse. of an American citizen. You cannot qualify for any kind of government assistance for five years. You've got to be able to demonstrate that you're going to be independent and able to sustain yourself for those five years. If something happens after that, okay, then the government will step in and assist you. Well, Bill Clinton was concerned because a bunch of left groups came at him, immigrant rights groups came at him, and specifically the National Organization of Women came at him and said, this is unfair, we don't like it, and we want you to amend it. So they found a little loophole to where they didn't have to enforce it, which is what they did with a lot of the 96th Immigration Reform Act. The Democrats, not just Bill Clinton, but to include George Bush, they just chose not to enforce the law, just like Joe Biden did under his administration. They just chose not to enforce it. And so now the president is just coming back now saying, no, we're going to start enforcing this law. They found it on the books. This is why IRS was fighting it. This is why HHS was fighting it, because they're saying there are illegal aliens on the books collecting a benefit that they are not entitled to by law. That was signed into law by the Democrat Bill Clinton.
SPEAKER 13 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 10 :
The president's just trying to make things correct. That's right. He's trying to make it fair, and I've got no problem with it. No one else within listening distance of your station should have a problem with it, because if you're a true American who's been paying his taxes, his or her taxes, for how many years since you started working as a teenager or whenever?
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 10 :
None of us likes paying our taxes, but hey, if I've got to pay my taxes, then everyone should have to pay their taxes.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right. Agree.
SPEAKER 10 :
And this is the thing that the Democrats keep hammering on. Oh... You know, the rich, the rich need to pay their fair share. Well, that's fine, but I think everybody needs to pay their fair share.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, great point, great point.
SPEAKER 10 :
Nobody should be getting the head over on anybody.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And if you're not paying any kind of tax on anything, there's no way.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 10 :
The next thing that should be looked at is tax returns, because some of those illegal aliens do get an individual tax number, an ITM, which allows them to pretend... that they're actually doing the right thing by paying their taxes. That's right. But then what do they turn around and do is they turn around and claim 10, 15, 20 dependents, and now they're getting all that money back plus more, and they're getting child tax credits. That's right.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's exactly right. Dave, I've got to run.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's it. No, great comments.
SPEAKER 13 :
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All right, when we come back, Donald Wilkie's going to join us, author of Freedom Revealed, A Simple, Elegant System. And back to Dave's comments a moment ago, our caller. Yep, I agree, Dave. I think what Donald Trump is trying to do, as I said through that last whole segment, is really level the playing field when it comes to American workers, which, as Dave said, there shouldn't be a single person inside of our listening audience that should disagree with that approach. I don't. I want the playing field leveled for American workers and for all of us that pay taxes as well. We'll be back. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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On this episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush welcomes Donald Wilkie, author of Freedom Revealed. Wilkie lays out his simple framework for understanding how the world works: competition, waste, and ease. He and John dig into how these principles apply to markets, government, socialism, and even health care. Together, they argue that competition drives excellence while government generates waste. John also rants about Denver’s $3.5 million crystal tree project at DIA, tying it back to the lack of competition and misplaced priorities. From economics to airports to cultural protests, John keeps it sharp, skeptical, and unapologetically honest.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all tuning in. We are in hour number three now. Donald Wilkie joining us now. Donald, welcome. How are you? Real good. Thanks for having me. Author of Freedom revealed a simple, elegant system. And, of course, as you know, Donald, been through a lot of things here over the past couple of weeks with all of the things that went around the assassination of Charlie Kirk and, of course, the celebration of his life yesterday. It's been quite a two weeks. Let's just say that.
SPEAKER 03 :
It has indeed. And from my position, it's time to get back to freedom.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, man, again, and I don't think there's a listener out there listening in our audience that would disagree with you along those lines. How do we do that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I'm glad you asked. I'm going to paint a big target on my back, if you'll allow me.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I'm going to make a grandiose statement. Of all the people on Earth, I think there's about 8 billion people like that, like us, I'm the only one who understands how the world works. Now... That, of course, sounds insane. And what I'm trying to show people is it's not insane. In fact, it's quite simple. And this is what I discovered in writing my book. And if you'll allow me, it takes about five minutes. Sure, go right ahead. I'd love to explain.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. The foundations of how the world works are competition, waste, and ease. Now, I believe you've never, ever heard that before. And I'm going to tell you how I've discovered that. We all come from nature. We all live in nature. Nature is our home. And I remember a tenant of the environmental movement that said there is no waste in nature. Well, if there is no waste in nature, what is the mechanism that drives it out? Well, the simple answer, which took me years to figure out, by the way, is competition. Competition drives waste out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
So when you look at competition and waste, don't look at them separately, look at them attached as a link, like a seesaw with competition on one end of the seesaw waste on the other end of the seesaw as competition goes up, waste goes down and vice versa competition and waste two of the fundamentals of nature. Now, the third fundamental, everything moves to ease. We've all been to the national park and seen the signs that say, do not feed the animals.
SPEAKER 12 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
If we feed the animals, they will stop feeding themselves.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And if they stop feeding themselves, they will lose their competitive edge. So everything in nature, I'm not saying nature is easy. I'm saying nature takes the easiest path. All the animals, all the plants, we all take the easiest path. So once you have those three fundamentals, competition, waste, and ease, you can look at anything, apply them to anything, and understand basically anything. It's really quite amazing. So let's go to human beings. We have two systems that human beings and only human beings have, the marketplace and government.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
That is just about everything. True. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
True.
SPEAKER 03 :
When you look at the marketplace, it's a competitive system. It drives out waste. And everything in the marketplace is geared to move to ease. Why would you trade unless it made your life easier? You know, you never see somebody hold up his product and say, my product is going to make your life really difficult. No, it's always going to make your life easy. Okay. So marketplace works like nature. Now let's look at government. How many federal governments do we have? We have one.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
How can it compete?
SPEAKER 12 :
It can't, and it doesn't have to.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. So it must generate waste. If I could get that simple little concept out to everybody, I'd be a happy man.
SPEAKER 12 :
You're right. Everything you just said, by the way, you can take that all the way down to even government on a local level. I mean, we only have one federal government. We have a lot of state and city governments, which, by the way, don't compete with one another either because when they're in their own quote-unquote area or jurisdiction, there's no competition either, and they do exactly the same thing, create waste.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Now, I'm trying to make it as easy as possible, but there is a big bugaboo that everybody talks about, and they always make it difficult, but when you use competition-based enemies, it becomes really, really, really simple, and that is socialism. You know, we look at socialism, we're afraid of socialism, there's people who love socialism, but nobody understands what socialism really is. Okay, we all think, we've all been told it is an economic system. It is not an economic system. It is a government system.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's a control system.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Socialism is the government. Yep. distorting the market. That's right. So it's a government system. So what does that tell you if it's a government system? It creates waste. Exactly. Isn't that simple?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, it is. I'm going to start using that because you're 100% correct on that. And it's why I've always said, and of course I'm a private business owner myself, but I've said for years now that I could go into almost any government organization, city, state, federal, Number one, Donald, figure out a way to privatize the majority of what's being done, and by doing so, because you create competition in doing that, you create competition even in the bid process for certain contracts. By the way, if it's done correctly, I think there's a lot of waste that happens because… There's too much cronyism that happens on that. But if you cut all of that out and do it like it's truly meant to be, you privatize things, you cut out a lot of that waste because private suppliers can't have the waste because, as you know, it doesn't work that way in the private sector.
SPEAKER 03 :
You've got it. You've got it 100%. I mean, if you want the cheapest, most efficient, best product, have the marketplace do it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you want, and this is something that drives me crazy, we have sort of mixed and matched the marketplace and government. We sort of think the government can do what the marketplace does, but it can't. And one of the big, big, big things that is really dumb to have the marketplace do is health care.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
What the hell is it doing in government?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, because you have this whole kind of going back to the whole socialism aspect. There's people out there that feel like health care is a right and it's not something that, you know, it's a basic human right. I don't believe that it is. I think it's a good and service just like what you got done talking about. And by the way, if you would get it out of government hands. and get more back to where it's on the private side and figure out a way to let that compete. What I mean by that, Donald, is we've got a doctor here that sponsors us that's into the wellness concierge end of things. In other words, he doesn't listen to what big pharma and what big insurance says, meaning he's going to give you better care than what you're going to get at your regular doctor because he competes in the marketplace.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Competition creates innovation, which is another way of saying eliminating waste, isn't it?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, yeah, and in his case, he's creating ways for you to be healthier than what you would be by popping some pill or getting some test done that, you know, you're... your health care provider says you need or, by the way, may not need because they don't want to pay for it, but at the end of the day, he gives better health care because there's other folks like him you can go see and get the same care from, meaning that competition creates, I always say it this way, competition creates excellence.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. And, you know, we say the proof is in the pudding. We've had the Affordable Care Act or Obamacare now for several years. What has happened to the price of everything in health care?
SPEAKER 12 :
Skyrocketed.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. Because all government is capable of doing, it's part of the system. All they can do is create waste. Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER 12 :
You're right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, it's like we have to look at systems being capable of doing certain things. Like you wouldn't ask your automobile to knit a sweater.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
A car does not knit a sweater.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
And government that is a wasteful, non-competitive system, it cannot provide goods and services. Right. That's just the way the system is.
SPEAKER 12 :
You're right. You're correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I like to say, you know, we have a marketplace dog and a government.
SPEAKER 12 :
cat and we're asking the government cat to bark like the marketplace dog right and it just doesn't work no i can't no and i like the way you put i'm going to steal some of this from you moving forward because you're correct on on all accounts it's and by the way it's an easy explanation for a lot of folks that may not understand you know economies and how things work and so on you've got a really easy way of explaining that you're spot on i mean you've said you're saying in your book what i've been saying for years you're just saying in a much simpler way
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, and I've had so many people tell me it's obvious. Well, my reply usually is, well, it was obvious. How come nobody else wrote it down? How come nobody else got competition, waste, and ease?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I think, number one, Donald, because unfortunately for the past – bear with me here – but for the past 60-plus years in our school system, we have generated – Students that have come out not understanding what you just said, by the way, they don't understand even basic economics, they don't even understand basic supply and demand, and I'm trying to be as nice as I can. Yes, there are some that end up getting it through other sources, but let's face it, in the school system itself, especially the last 40 years, that has not been taught. In fact, we've taught the opposite. Absolutely. It's ridiculous.
SPEAKER 03 :
The purpose of an educational system is to prepare the child for for the transition to adulthood, and you earn your sustenance in the marketplace. Now, do you know anybody working in the marketplace who doesn't have to compete?
SPEAKER 12 :
Only government workers.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, I wouldn't even consider that in the marketplace.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don't consider them in the marketplace, but I get what you're saying. The answer is no, unless you're in a monopoly, which let's face it, there aren't too many of those, or even we would call some probably close to that, although I always argue that, that yeah, I'm not so sure that's the case, because anytime government gets involved and breaks them up, it screws it all up as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they have that tendency to make things worse, don't they?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and I always use GM as an example. I'm an old car guy. I grew up in a GM dealership as a kid. And at one time, General Motors was into, as you know, appliances. They owned a locomotive company. They did big earth-moving equipment. And they were getting large enough, the government came along and said, hey, you guys are too big. You're a monopoly. Stop doing what you're doing. And unfortunately, Donald, they just made it worse when it was all said and done. They didn't help anything at the end of the day. They screwed it all up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they have that tendency to doing things. There's a million examples. I can't think of one off the top of my head right now. But, yes, usually when government gets involved to fix things, they just make it worse.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it's usually we need more reporting. We need more levels of bureaucracy. We need more people to look at this report and that report, more reports generated, and it's just a waste of time.
SPEAKER 12 :
You're right, 100%. Last but not least, Donald, where do folks buy the book? It's a great book, by the way. Where do folks buy it?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, the easiest place is Amazon, and then my website is freedomrevealed.net.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, freedomrevealed.net. I will put that down in my notes. I appreciate it. As you can tell, we think a lot alike, so I appreciate you joining us and reaffirming some of the things I talk about on a regular basis.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, if you get competition, waste, and ease, everything else becomes self-evident. This is how I figured the whole book out. I didn't go to the library. I didn't research. It's all just self-evident.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is. No, you're right. It is spot on. Donald, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. You're so welcome. He is, by the way, and I said it, he is dead on. He is spot on. He's got this figured out, and all he's done is taking what we talk about here on a routine basis and really just put it in a more simpler approach, a simpler way of explaining it. Good job, by the way. I appreciate that. And last but not least, he was a I should have mentioned this to him. I appreciate him filling in last minute. I was supposed to have we were supposed to have a guest from Turning Point USA that was going to join us today. And it was planned ahead of time. And because of all of the things that happened yesterday with the celebration of life for Charlie and so on, he he was not able to be with us. So, you know, Donald was a last minute filling, which I appreciate him greatly in doing. Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Al Smith. And Al wants to help you with all of your future finances. Find him today. Just go to klzradio.com.
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TJ here with KLZ and Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. And Al, I have a question for you. I've been putting money away for a while in a savings account or maybe a couple of investment accounts. But what am I doing wrong and what can you do better than that?
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Well, I think a savings account is important because all the financial gurus, including myself, agree you should have three to six months savings that you have ready liquid access to. But retirement planning is a bit more long term. And it's a bit more strategic. We want to take a look at the sum of money you'll need way into the future. And we want to look at how that money can last by providing you income for as long as you live.
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What kind of planning or strategy do you provide for folks with that that have a big savings but haven't made that next step?
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Well, that's a good question. If someone has a large amount in savings, one of the things I do is we have a conversation about their risk tolerance. Nobody's comfortable losing money, but having money in the market over a long period of time is a mechanism to accumulate wealth. And so we talk about this different levels of risk and the different products that are available. And we don't put everybody into one box, but I have an enormous assortment of financial products. And it's not that there's good ones or bad ones. It's there are some that are more appropriate for some people, but not for others.
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And that sounds excellent. How can folks get in touch with you for that meeting?
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You can reach me at 303-744-1128. And if I'm not there, it goes to voicemail, but I return my voicemails promptly. And we could have a conversation in the office. If you live a considerable distance away, we can have a long phone conversation or a Zoom call, whichever you would prefer.
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And as always, you can find him at klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
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Well, thank you, TJ. Thanks for the conversation.
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You bet.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, somebody texted me, and I've got a couple messages I'll read when I get a minute here. But somebody texted me and wanted me to comment on a news story they just saw. This was not in my notes, so I had to read this pretty quickly. And this is a giant... $3.5 million crystal tree that's coming to DIA. So this is a, Charlie knows about it, this is an art project that's got a 3.59, so $3,590,500 contract with an artist. It's a giant piece of artwork. It'll go in the giant hall. It's 60 feet tall. has more than 30,000 crystals that create a canopy. At the base will be seating inspired by Red Rocks Amphitheater. Now, I'm all for making things look good, although I'm not much of an art guy because, frankly, I could really care less. I kind of like hospital walls, truthfully. Just nice, clean, white, don't need anything else. I know I'm a weirdo. But I don't really care about this kind of stuff at all. It does nothing for me. Here's what I want at the airport, by the way. I want in, I want out, I want to get on my plane safely, and I want all the pre-borders gone. Yeah, Charlie said there's an ordinance in Denver. It's the 1% for ordinance or 1% for art ordinance is what it's called. So whatever they spend money on, 1% of that budget has to go towards art, which, by the way, that needs eliminated, especially when they're having to cut budgets all over the place just to be able to pay for the homeless. And I'm not exaggerating, by the way, when I just said that. When they're having trouble making ends meet, making payroll, quote-unquote, we're laying people off, and yet we're going to spend this kind of money, 3.5, almost 3.6? And I'm guessing, too, by the way, that that's probably the art piece. I would bet there's more dollars that gets spent for the installation of and, and, and, and, and we go. And keep in mind, it'll have to now be cleaned and maintained. And it won't just be $3.5 million is my point. This will be an ongoing cost because it always is. And again, I'm not against things looking good. But what I wanted an airport and I know it's an ordinance, but the ordinance needs changed. Because, again, what I want at an airport is I want to get in and out quickly. I want to get in and out safely. I want all of the stupid pre-boarders gone. I know that's my wish list, but probably not going to happen. I shouldn't say stupid, but some of them are. Let me rephrase that. They're not stupid. They're actually really, really smart because they scam the system. They're scammers is what I should say. There are some legitimate pre-boarders out there. I get that. OK, I understand that some folks need more time getting on the plane, although I will tell you that that's probably one percent of the actual pre-boarders that that end up having that. The rest of them scan the system. And I know I'm not even talking to them because they don't listen to my program because they're scammers. So they're not listening. But you guys that are and travel some like me, you know what I'm talking about. But bottom line. I want the airport to just be neat and clean and have good signage so you know where to go and all of that. That's what I want in an airport. I honestly, I don't care what airport I go to. I don't care about all this artsy-fartsy stuff. I don't care. You do away with that and concentrate on the task at hand. This goes back to the conversation, by the way, we were just having with our last guest. There's no competition. This is a great example. When it comes to DIA, there's no competition. Oh, some would say, well, you can go to Colorado Springs. Not really. I'm going to drive an hour and a half, almost two hours to Colorado Springs to go fly out of there. Why? That's not competition, folks. That's a nuisance. That's a burden. That's not competition. And in airports, they're not run federally. Most of them are there. They're managed and they're guided federally by the FAA, TSA and so on. But they're all owned for the most part. Majority of them are owned by the cities that they're in. I'd have to go through the entire list of every city that we have large airports at. Kansas City, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Denver, San Francisco. I mean, I can rattle off all the cities. I'd have to go through and look at each one of those. But I would venture to guess that all of them are owned by each city. I'd be hard-pressed to believe that's not the case. Because that's typically how it works. The city gets involved. They own the land. It's how they make revenue, by the way. A lot of big cities, there's a lot of revenue that comes off of the airport because they're making money off the gate fees and they're making money a certain percentage off of concessions, which I learned something on that, by the way, over the weekend. I don't normally do much over the weekend when it comes to news and stuff, but I happened to get a news story on this that caught my eye. And I kind of had a feeling it was this way. The reason why everything at the airport, this goes, again, this goes back to the conversation we were just having with Doug, or sorry, with Donald, I mean, our last guest, Donald Wilkie. Do you know that there's only three, maybe five companies total that own every single concessionaire at the airports? Yes. minus the franchises like McDonald's and Chick-fil-A. All of the others that you see, they're kind of, quote-unquote, independently owned and operated. And even some of the franchises, by the way, are operated underneath one of these other five companies that own everything. In fact, one company is the largest owner of concessions at airports, and they own a ton of the concessions at airports. That's why prices are high. Going back to Mr. Wilkie's comment about competition, there isn't any when you're at the airport. You've gone through security, or you got dropped off at the door, because there's even sometimes concessions and stuff before you get through security. But especially once you get through security, what's the price of a bottle of water do? Triples? Quadruples? Why? Because you're a captive audience. Where else are you going to go? There's, once again, no competition. Not like you can just run down the street and go grab another bottle of water. You can't even bring it with you because you can't get it through security. So, of course, the savvy flyers, they fly with an empty bottle, you know, empty water bottle. They fill it up out of the places you can fill it up. Or guys like me even go to the bars and ask for ice and water because, yes, I'm that guy. But I figured out you can do that because I like ice. I'm an American. I like ice. Europeans don't like ice. I do. I like ice. I want it cold. I don't care whether it's good for your health or not. I like cold water. That's me. So I will go get my canteen and I'll fill it up at some of those places or I buy a cold bottle of water. But a lot of times I'll just get mine filled. So point being, at airports, the reason why everything's so expensive is they're run by just a handful of companies, max. Back to this whole project from the city of Denver. This ordinance needed changed. No reason why we as a city are spending $3.5 million on a tree, on an art tree. And I don't care what it looks like. Because, by the way, depending upon where it's at, if it's going to be in the Grand Hall prior to security, which I don't think a 60-footer will fit anywhere else. I'm not sure any of the rest of the terminals have 60-foot ceilings. I don't believe they do. Even some of the new sections they built I don't think have 60-foot tall ceilings. So it's only going to go in the Grand Hall. And I don't know about the rest of you. I don't spend any time in the Grand Hall. I get there. I walk in. I get my stuff checked in, make sure I've got my boarding pass. If it's a short trip, I don't even do that. I just do my carry-on, and I'm out of there. I am not dinking around. I don't want to be in the Grand Hall. I want to be in the terminal. I want to be near the gate, and I want to leave. I don't want to dink around. As you guys can all tell, when I fly, there's no messing around. It's get there, get done, get on the plane, get off the plane, get to your destination, done deal. I'm not there to tour the airport. The airport's not fun to me. It's a means to the end. That's all it is. Get me where I want to go as quickly as I can get there, period. I'm not spending time in the Grand Hall. So I don't care what this tree looks like. Frankly, I don't think anybody else does either. And I go back to just the whole principle of Denver can't pay its bills right now because And I get it. This is probably in the budget already, and this is part of a different budget. It's coming out of the pocket of DIA and all that. I understand all of that. But the money's fungible. I've talked about that many times on this program. Money's fungible, in government especially. It is in the business as well. It is in your personal life. Money is fungible. So $3.5 million on a tree. And by the way, the whole airport upgrade is $1.3 billion, meaning this isn't the last art project. $13 million has to be spent on art.
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10%.
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Or sorry, 1%. Yeah, Charlie's going to become an artist, he said. So 1% is $13 million of $1.3 billion. So Denver's got to spend another $10 billion roughly, 9.5%. to meet their 1% for art ordinance, which whoever thought of that's a dodo head. Some art lover, I guess. Which I am not. That's a whole other topic I won't get on. Maybe Andy and I one of these days can cover it. A lot of the art, especially modern art, is very Marxist. And it's by design. Because Marxism is taking away of anything that's beautiful and making it look mundane. It's why a lot of buildings that are designed in communist countries and places like that have no appeal to them whatsoever. It's part of the Marxist belief system. So anyways, that's another topic. That's why some art is just as ugly as all get out. And it's not your imagination that it is. It is. And by the way, it's ugly by design. Again, that's a topic I can get into at a later date. But up next, we've got Geno's Auto Service. So take care of your vehicle. Bumper-to-bumper service. Geno's does it all. There's always a great special at Geno's. And no matter what you're needing, they can do it for you. Geno'sautoservice.com. Geno's starts with a J.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, I've got several text messages. Somebody asked me a minute ago if I ever had lots of art in my auto shops, or do we have a lot of art here at KLZ with old radios and things like that, and the answer is no, we don't really. We've got maybe a little old memorabilia stuck away in some places is all. Charlie's nodding at me, and Charlie has a little bit on his own, but no, we don't have... We don't have a lot. Somebody also asked that when I get done with my show, am I plum tuckered out? Do I get home, get ready for a hot meal, and go to bed? I like a hot meal, but no, I usually have stuff to do that either I work on the tomorrow show or in the case tonight, I got a couple of chores at home I want to get finished up. So no, I'll go home and still work a little bit more when it's all said and done. Okay, this is something that... I believe I'm on the right track. And I told Charlie, I'm trying to find pictures of this. Hang tight. I'm trying to see if I can find this in my... I get so many text messages. Hold on one second. I'm trying to find the text messages of the exact... signs and things that have been held up I don't know that I can find this here it is okay so there is a movement going on and there's been a few protests over the weekend I haven't seen any of these but I had several of you not one several of you send me pictures some of you saw these driving around some of them saw it on social media but several of you have sent me these and there are people that are protesting here's the signs that are being held up stop cutting baby's penis I want my foreskin back Nobody wants less penis. Circumcision is penis mutilation. Now, here's my thoughts on this. And by the way, I don't think I'm wrong. I've never talked about this on air before and really never really thought about it, to be honest with you, until now. Charlie said, can I say this on the radio? Well, I just did. In this circumstance, yes, I can. FCC-wise, yes, I can say this. Here's my point with this. And I didn't put two and two together because these protests have existed before. And I really never thought about it until now in this way. And I think it's because it's becoming more and more apparent where we are today as a society. Those are racist Jew haters. Plain and simple. Those are racist Jew haters. And some of you are going to say, how do you come up with that, John? Well... For those of you that may not know this, circumcision was something that was placed upon mankind by God himself. Back in biblical time, in the establishment of the Jewish nation, God commanded every man and every boy, once they became a certain age, to be circumcised. It was the way that God set his people apart, clean versus unclean. That's what Scripture says. Am I right, Charlie? That is correct. And you would think, okay, well, and I'm not going to get into all the depths of why that is. Some of you already know how this works in the anatomy of and so on, but it is literally clean versus unclean. Now, there are those today that would say, well, with our modern bathing practices and so on and so forth, that's not the same as it used to be, and it doesn't mean the same, and it's not as big of a deal. Well, that may be, but the theme and the meaning behind it still exists. That hasn't changed. And so I will tell you, and I firmly believe, that these people that are protesting, that are holding up these signs, whether they know it or not, they're racist anti-Jews.
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100%.
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Because of what I said a moment ago. The whole meaning behind being circumcised in the first place was to set yourself apart to God. That was the Old Testament meaning of being circumcised. That carried on, by the way, even through the New Testament, and there's a lot of folk even today that still believe that same way, and that was a quote-unquote Jew practice back in the day. It's how God separated his people from the others. In fact, sayings like the uncircumcised Philistines, and they were looked upon very derogatory back in the day, and there's all sorts of scripture that I could point to along those same lines. In fact, at one point, not to get too graphic here, But Saul, thinking David couldn't accomplish this, ordered him to go out and collect 300 Philistine foreskins and bring them back, meaning he had to kill them and then circumcise them and then bring them back. And to David's credit, he did just that. And think about this for a second. I've explained this before. Most people probably don't think this way, but of course my brain does. That's a heavy sack to carry around that entire time with 300 foreskins in it. Meaning he had to hike those things all around after collecting them and then bring them back to Saul, lay them at the king's feet and say, yep, mission accomplished. Here you go. Here's your 300 foreskins. I mean, that's in the Bible. I'm not making this stuff up, guys. That's a real story. So point being, that was God's designation. on the Israelites, separating them from all the other people groups at the time because they weren't circumcised. God's people were. So these people that are running around today talking about that being mutilation and so on, these are Jew-hating, anti-Israel individuals. I would venture to guess, and I wouldn't say to do this in a mean-spirited way, but I would venture to guess that if you were to stop any of these people and have a sane, which might not be possible, but if you could have a sane conversation with them as to what they're doing and why, it would be right along the lines of what I'm talking about. Unless they're a paid protester and they have no idea why they're hanging the sign up. Now, that could also be, because that happens as well. But I guarantee you, at its core, this is an anti-Jew racist message. So I told somebody that sent me that that I would try to explain where I'm coming from on that. There is my explanation. And those of you that have seen some of these knuckleheads carrying these things around, I'm guessing they fit my description very well. They don't think, by the way, that they're being racist, but they are. Because again, they are going after one of the quote-unquote Jewish traditions that are there. No different than if they were to go after an Orthodox Jew because they have their tassels and their long hair that's braided that comes down by their ears and so on and so forth. If they were making fun of all of that, it would be no different, by the way. It's exactly the same thing. Or a Jew wearing a yarmulke. Or a Jew celebrating and observing the Sabbath. Or I can go down the list, by the way. There's a lot of Orthodox Jews that do all sorts of things, including eating things that are kosher and, and, and. I've actually learned a lot about that of late. I follow a guy on TikTok, a rabbi on TikTok. By the way, that's the funniest guy there is. And I just enjoy listening to him greatly. And he gives you all sorts of insights as to why they do certain things the way they do and how those traditions have carried on for the last 4,000 years, roughly. And it's really fun to watch. Anyways, saying all that to say it would be no different than making fun of another Jewish customer, Jewish thing that they do. This whole circumcision thing is exactly that. And for those of you that are out there listening, and you all know this as well as I, there's no effect on men. Trust me. There's not an ounce of effect upon a man, even on a baby. I watched both my boys get circumcised. There's no ill effect at all when it's all said and done. Any of you that have been around that know exactly what I'm talking about. These are, again, these are racist loons that are out there protesting and holding up these signs. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning coming up next. And don't forget about their furnace tune-up special, which right now, it's a little cooler out. 68 degrees, going to be a little bit cooler night tonight. Some of you may actually crank that furnace on. If you have any problems at all, give Cub Creek a call. Find them at klzradio.com.
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All right, Charlie just told me that that last conversation probably won't hear that in many other places but here. Just saying. There's probably other hosts in town that are laughing at me right now if they're listening because it's like, yeah, I'm not going down that path. I will. I don't care. You guys know me. And part of that is, you know, what made me think about that is, again, the way I was raised and the background that I have and all the different things that I, you know, was taught and learned over the years and so on. And to me, this is pretty cut and dried. Somebody just sent me a picture of, you know, cut and dried. Sorry. Charlie, is it cut and dried? Laugh out loud. Sorry. I didn't mean to say it that way. I did go to the website or looked at the website that one of you copied and sent to me on this whole – front this whole activism front and and the reasons that they're giving it are just lunacy by the way utter lunacy and you know they're basically saying you know well when you circumcise a baby they don't have consent and this that and the other it's like get a life honestly you know go concentrate on something really matters and at the end of the day you're just an anti-jew you may not think you are but trust me you are And I would venture to guess if he really sat and had a conversation with these people one-on-one and had any kind of dialogue back and forth on a sane level, you'd get to the crux of that at some point. That would be my guess. I don't think I'm wrong there, by the way. Okay, something I wanted to talk about. And I think I can squeeze this in now. And then this one, be careful how I say this, because lives matter. They do. And I'm not trying to minimize anybody's life any way, shape, or form. Okay, so let me just start off by saying that. You guys know me. I am all for life. I'm all for holding businesses accountable when there's a loss of life. Absolutely. I am all for holding people accountable when things aren't done correctly and accidents happen. A jury, in this case, this is coming out of here in Colorado, A jury awarded more than $200 million to the family of a girl who died on the Glenwood Springs theme park ride. Wongle Estefanis, I think I'm saying that right, died from injuries sustained from a fall from the haunted mine drop ride in Glenwood Caverns back in 2021. And you guys probably remember that story. She wasn't buckled in. Somebody wasn't trained well enough to make sure she was buckled in correctly, so on and so forth. And a caller to jury awarded the family $200 million. She was six years old, by the way. Now, again, every life matters, including this six-year-old girl. But come on, folks. $200 million? I get it. The jury's trying to send a signal loud and clear. You know, a $10 million verdict would have still sent the same message. This will most likely bankrupt that particular case. I don't know how they'll – there's no way you can pay a $200 million settlement. It's – very, very, very few companies that are family-owned and operated have $200 million kicking around. This was a Dan Kaplan – this is in the – this is in the – Story, so Dan Kaplis is the one that won this, and Dan is standing by the fact that he feels like this is a good settlement and it teaches this particular company and other companies like it a lesson. This is where Dan and I will have to disagree. We'll have to agree to disagree. And I say that because Dan's never run a company like this. He's an attorney. That's all he's ever done. To my knowledge, I don't think he's ever actually ran a company. Yes, he runs a law firm. It's not the same. I'm sorry. It's not the same, folks. Not even close. Sorry, Dan. Not the same. And you're bankrupting a company by doing this. In this case, by the way, they had worked with the insurance company. I think there was a couple of them that they worked with, and they went to the maximum amount of whatever their liability insurance and stuff was, and they chose to turn all that down and go ahead and go to court. And they got an actually $205 million verdict. And Dan says it's significant because the whole purpose of the law and punitive damage is to learn lessons. You know what, Dan? They already learned that. When somebody died, trust me, that company already learned that. No one wants people to die. No business wants to operate and have people die, especially this particular type of a business. I believe that with my heart. They didn't want this. So this makes the world safer. Does it really, Dan? Does it really? I don't know about that. I don't know that it really does. Just because you got a $205 million settlement doesn't make the world any safer. And to make sure that this never happens again and that's been the parents' quest from day one. You know what? I'll say this as well. I highly doubt that. This was probably your quest from day one. I highly doubt this was the parents' quest. Kaplan said his clients broke down in tears and started to pray when the verdict was read. He said he's confident the verdict will have other amusement parks reconsidering safety protocols. Well, of course it will. It's $200 million. Now, on the same token, how often do you hear of these things happening in all of the amusement parks and all of the rides and all the things that people get on on an annual basis? How often do you actually hear about somebody dying? It's minimal. There's far more traffic deaths and other types of deaths, kids being poisoned from drinking stuff under the sink and so on, than happen in amusement parks. I don't see amusement park deaths being at the top of the list, by the way. That's just me saying it. When it gets too expensive to do wrong, they'll do it right. When it gets too expensive to do it dangerously, they'll do it safely. Dan, you sound like you're from the NFL, the No Fun League. So Glenwood Caverns provided a statement. Our hearts go out to the family. Everyone affected by the tragic accident happened on September 5th of 2021, while the jury allocated significant fault on the other defendants. Soaring Eagle Inc., the size of the total jury verdict award, puts the existence of Glenwood Caverns at serious risk. If the jury verdict remains as is, hundreds of local jobs are in peril. Yeah, they probably are. Dave, we have got about three minutes. Go ahead, sir.
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Well, Dr. King used to have this saying that was attributed to him that it's not the ends that are important, but the means, right? And so whenever you have a lawsuit, there is a means involved in that, right? And it's not the worst thing you could do with the government, but every single lawsuit involves deputizing the taxpayers, possibly even a jury, and forcing them to either spend their time or their money on fixing your problems. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does make sense. You're absolutely right. So that's the puritanical, libertarian way of looking at something like that. But that's not something that's easy to impose on society because there's so few of us purist libertarians. So I'd say if you agree with me, consider doing what I did and fleeing Colorado as it descends into this authoritarian state situation and fleeing to New Hampshire. I moved to New Hampshire in 2004. I grew up in Colorado Springs, but I escaped this place. partly to get away from litigiousness, which can get much, much worse than this case.
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Yes, you're right. Well, Dave, and again, thank you for still listening and calling in. I appreciate that. I appreciate the perspective. I'm going to get one more call in before we end this hour. Mario, I've got two minutes. Go ahead.
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Thank you, John. Enjoy your shows.
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Thank you.
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It's not that I have a problem with people winning awards. The problem that I have, obviously, is... in relation to the Dan Kaplis lawsuit, is that, for instance, I'll use myself as an example. I know we only have two minutes. Well, there have been at least three murders in close proximity to where I live in the last, I don't know, seven, eight years. And of course, none of them involved wrongful death from an amusement park or a trucking company or anything along those lines. So One of them involved someone who lived in a fairly nice house. So possibly that murder victim's family sued the estate of that person who lived in that house. But most people who die and or get murdered don't get anything.
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True. Very true.
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And so when you hear people say it's not about the money, well, that may or may not be true.
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It's always about the money, Mario. I don't care what anybody says. It's always about the money.
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My deceased aunt was married to a man. He was displaced in Poland during World War II. How many people of those, how many people who were displaced got any money? How many people... And the Holocaust got any money.
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Good point. Great point. Great point. Mario, I've got to run with that. Thank you, as always. Great comments on both of those. I may come back to that a little bit more tomorrow because that's a bigger topic probably than I thought it would be. I didn't really think it would be that big of a deal, but we might be able to resurface that and go over that again tomorrow. Up next, Veteran Windows and Doors. Save money right now. Go direct to the source. That's Veteran Windows and Doors. Call them today. Find them at klzradio.com.
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Suck it up, buttercup. Back to Rush to Reason.
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All right, in closing, and this is not to be critical of anything, but remember, every time a lawyer wins a case, they get a substantial, and I mean a substantial amount of that particular settlement, in some cases half. I don't know this case. I don't know exactly the circumstances, but it's an easy 30% to 50% of whatever the settlement is because typically they front all the costs to get through that, meaning if they lose, they lose. I get that. But in this case, if they win, they win big. I'll leave it at that. We'll be back tomorrow. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
In this episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush dives into the intricacies of maintaining your home's heating and air conditioning systems as the seasons change. Hunter from Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning joins John to discuss when to consider upgrading your HVAC system and the cost savings involved in doing so. Additionally, they explore the concept of 'auto mode' on your thermostat and how it impacts home efficiency during unpredictable weather transitions. The episode also highlights the importance of regular tune-ups to ensure your systems are performing optimally and the potential regulatory changes that could affect furnace replacements.
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It's Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush, presented by Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning.
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And welcome, Monday, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Hope you all had a fabulous weekend, another week in store. Hunter from Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning joining us now and probably talk more right now, heat versus AC. Hunter, as we have a cold front moving through.
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Yeah, it looks like tomorrow might be a little bit chilly.
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Uh-huh, it may very well be. Now, I know we're not out of the woods yet, and some folks will be going back and forth. That's the time of the year, or this is the time of the year where that can happen. You can flip-flop from using AC. It was 80 degrees at my place yesterday, and yet at night it cools off. And for me, not quite enough to turn the furnace on, but it's getting close.
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I call this time of the year the auto mode because on your thermostat, most people's thermostats are in the auto where it's on heat and cool. So I know I have mine set there. And yeah, there's been a couple mornings where I've noticed the furnace has come on. So it definitely is that time of year.
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meaning they need to be basically taking care of the furnace sides of things that will be firing up if it hasn't already. And, you know, I'll mention this for you as well, Hunter. If you're somebody that maybe struggled a little bit this last year with the AC side of things and maybe you know you're actually due for an upgrade, you know what? The combination of that and furnace, maybe they should think about doing both at once.
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I highly recommend doing both at once. Number one, it's going to save you a lot of money on the installation costs. Typically, it cuts about $2,500 off the total bill if you do them both at the same time. So that is a pretty big savings. Not to mention, when you go to replace that AC, The AC uses the blower on the furnace motor to cool the home. So if you put a brand new AC on an old furnace, you're not actually going to get that full efficiency rating that you would get out of that. out of that AC that it's rated for. So if it's a 16 sear AC and you've got it on an older furnace, you may not get that full 16 sears out of that system. So to boost efficiency, not to mention matching everything up, It is going to increase efficiency. And then on top of that, the peace of mind you'll get with both of them. If you do both of them, you've got a 10-year parts warranty on all of them. It's basically out of sight, out of mind. We don't have to worry about it for 10 years. Just change that filter and that furnace, and you're off and running.
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All right. For folks that are listening, they were there thinking, you know, I know that all of that is true. I probably might wait until next spring to go ahead and do something with the AC unit since I've made it this far. But I'm having struggles with my furnace. What can you do to help them?
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We're always going to leave the decision up to you. We're never going to force you into anything you don't want to do. Our job is to educate you on something that you don't know about that we do. Our goal is to give you the most information we can for you so you can make the best informed decision for you at your point in your life. That's what we'll do. We can come in. We offer tune-ups. We actually offer a variety of tune-ups. We have our basic tune-up, which runs with everybody in the market where we come through and we'll just check um we just check everything if there's anything outside of that we're gonna if there's anything we find we'll let you know and it and but as far as that goes we'll just go through all the motors all the blowing blower motors and everything and check it all out um and then we do offer a next step up where we go through and we actually clean a lot of the components in the furnace and do that um and that's and then change and the filters included with that service and then we um ultimately do that. On the next one, we go through and we actually do everything as I mentioned before. On top of that, we'll run a combustion, what they call a combustion analysis on your furnace as well. What that tells us is that gives us the complete picture of how your furnace is operating. If it's achieving complete and total combustion, if we're running at peak performance, if we're a lot of times at altitude, almost all of our furnaces a lot of times are under-fired. because we don't have as much oxygen. So basically you're running fuel rich. So we can really increase the efficiency with that top tier tune-up. And on top of that, we are running the special now for KLZ listeners of $56 off of all of those. So it is a great time to take advantage of all that.
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Okay. So how far out are you on some of that if somebody actually needs to get something taken care of that way? In other words, if they need to get a tune-up done or whatever, how far out are we?
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Tune-ups aren't an emergency, but we can get to you within a week now. As it stands right now, obviously, that's first come, first served. So as we get more and more, obviously, it could get pushed out longer. If you do have a furnace problem or anything like that, we can get to you sooner. As always, we like to say no heat is an emergency in Colorado. You can get a lot of issues with that.
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Right. Somebody just asked, too, a text message came in. Are furnaces going up due to NOx emissions? In other words, is there emission standards changing that's going to push the price up on furnaces?
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There is a lot of talk on that. California has entered a lot of the low NOx stuff. It's low NOx. So they are moving towards that. It's more on the 80% side. I know Colorado has flirted with it quite a bit. I know a lot of counties, Boulder County and different counties are going to, and this is as far as I'm, I know right now is just going to new and new construction builds, but they're going to no, no combustion appliances. So basically you're, you're relegated to a heat pump or anything or something like of that nature, electric heat at that point. I have heard rumors of places more down towards Colorado Springs and stuff that There's rumors that they're going to low-knock stuff, and I've heard of a couple companies installing some low-knock stuff, but it's not quite there, but it is something that more than likely is coming down the pike.
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Okay, so my thought there, and thank you for texting that in, if you're somebody where you've been putting off a furnace replacement, you know you're getting to the end of life, you've just been waiting, for whatever reason, Hunter, budgetary reasons or whatever, my suggestion would be before something like that changes, and for a lot of you listening, this doesn't matter federally what's going on politic-wise. This is all on a state-by-state, city-by-city, county-by-county basis, Hunter, as you know. My thought would be knowing some of that might be changing, I would get that done sooner than later.
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Yeah. And ultimately it'll, it'll also to add to that, it'll also more than likely follow as more and more jurisdictions include the low NOx requirement and stuff like that the manufacturers typically um tend to follow suit okay so they will start converting all and pretty much all the 80 furnaces will at some point they'll start that's how they'll be manufactured just because it makes no sense makes sense and and and like i said that typically the odds are that will drive up the price
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All right, Cub Creek Heat and Air Conditioning. I say it a lot, but find them at klzradio.com. You can go to rushtoreason.com and find them there as well. Hunter, as always, I appreciate it. Thank you for all that you do for us, and we'll keep sending folks your way.
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Awesome. We appreciate you, John.
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Thank you. Thank you, Hunter. Appreciate it very much. And great guy. And I mean this sincerely. If you have any issues at all with anything HVAC-related, give them a call. Wait. If Hunter's super busy, depending upon what the weather and stuff is doing, as you just heard a moment ago, that's fine. Go ahead and wait. And, again, on the furnace sides of things, call early. If you've got any issues at all, call now. Don't delay. Again, Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning. Find them at klzradio.com. And up next, Roof Savers of Colorado, whereby Dave can rejuvenate your current roof. And we talked to him this morning, and he mentioned about some of the insurance things that are still going on. He continues to give me case-by-case analysis. What I'm saying on that is a lot of insurance companies are canceling insurance policies because of age, condition of the roof, and so on.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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All right, Friday's question of the day. In 2022, 6.64 billion people had a smartphone. How many people have one today in 2025? The answer is 7.21 billion, meaning that some have more than one. Because remember, the population, the 7 billion or so people we have on planet Earth, that includes kids. And in some cases, elderly who might actually not even be able to use a phone any longer, meaning that if there's that many phones, a lot of folks have more than one. And I've seen some of those people. That one, you may be one of them. This is not a criticism, but I've always wondered why. They make the ability to forward phone numbers and so on to where, why do you carry two devices? And I've always heard the excuse, well, this one's work phone, this is personal. Okay, so you're not disciplined enough to put that one down, even when it involves work? In other words, okay, so that's your work one, and you just sort of turn it off and don't worry about it when it's not time for work? You're not disciplined enough to just ignore those messages? Anyways, sorry, not to get off on a tangent, but I've never been able to figure out why you would need Two phones. I've heard stories, by the way, of certain CEOs that carry around a half a dozen phones. Marcioni used to run Stellantis. I read an article last week about him and he carried, I think, again, I read the story last week, so didn't memorize this. But I'm not mistaken. I think he carried six to 10 cell phones in any given time. I don't know why. The story didn't say why. And I'm not criticizing him because he was a great CEO for Stellantis. In fact, things have tanked ever since he left. He died, basically. Things have tanked ever since then. So I'm not criticizing the guy. He did a great job. So I don't know. Somehow he figured it out. But I don't know how you would juggle around 10 different devices or even six different devices. So anyways, moving on. Question of the day today. Each king... In a deck of cards represents a king from history. What does the spades card represent? We had this one a few weeks ago, by the way, so if you remember what that is, you can fill in the blank. I'm not sure I ever gave anybody the answer on that one, though, so maybe that's why producer Ann put this one back in. So each king in a deck of cards represents a king from history. What does the spades card, or who does the spades card represent? All right, moving along in today's program, we've got a lot in store for you today. I've got a couple of guests that will join us throughout the show. This news just came up, and rarely, by the way, when it comes to entertainment news... Am I before Charlie? Almost always. He knows long before I do, but right before showtime today, I asked Charlie if he had seen the news that Jimmy Kimmel is actually returning to ABC tomorrow night. I think I lied. Charlie said Thursday night. I was wrong. It's Tuesday night, tomorrow night. I misread that. So tomorrow night. Walt and Izzy Company in a new statement says the move was made to avoid further inflaming of a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. Now, in reality, what that said was, we're going to give him one more chance, and if he screws up again, he's gone. That's my take. Now, I don't know what kind of talks they've had behind the scenes. I highly doubt— that Jimmy Kimmel will make any kind of an apology. In fact, it'll be really interesting to see how he handles some things. And maybe the way Disney is looking at this is they just know that his contract is ending at the end of the year. So rather than trying to end things prior to that, we'll go ahead and give him one more chance, put him on a short leash. But if he comes on air and says anything stupid again, he's going to be gone. Maybe that's been said to him and his agent. I have no idea. I am a little bit shocked, truthfully, that they're bringing him back. Now, the other thing that could have happened here is they could have very easily gotten together with some of their corporate attorneys and looked through everything and some of the threats that have been thrown around from Jimmy Kimmel and some of those that are close to him. You know, there could have been a lot of that going on as well. And maybe they're trying to determine that this is the best thing we can do damage control wise to just move forward. Again, folks, I don't know. I'm not involved in any of this stuff. And I'll just be straight up honest. I don't care. When it comes to entertainment and those loons, I honestly don't care. I don't watch Jimmy Kimmel. I don't know anybody that does. Don't really care whether he's on air or off air. I know that Disney, though, if they're not careful, has a lot more at stake than Jimmy Kimmel does. Because there's a lot of conservatives, especially, that have a lot to do with Disney because of the Disney name. Even though I don't consider Disney to be conservative in any way, shape, or form, and they are not, there's a lot of conservatives, though, that still love the experience that you get at Disney. And what I mean by that is the parks and so on, not necessarily the Disney Channel and all of that. But in general, conservatives and I don't think I'm wrong in saying this, Charlie, it may be maybe they shouldn't have done this. But for years and years, you know, conservatives, because I know a lot of them gravitated toward Disney. They looked at Disney as being wholesome, and if you were going to go to a movie, it needed to be a Disney movie, and this, that, and the other. In fact, if you were allowed to go to movies when we were kids, the exception was a Disney movie and things like that. I know it depended upon how you grew up and what conservative home you were in, but that's how it used to be. Now, I will tell you that in today's world, it's not the case because Disney has branched out and has left its core roots years and years and years ago. And I also will tell you that I've never been a huge Disney fan, even as a kid. I mean, I liked them. I liked watching The Wonderful World of Disney. If we ever got the opportunity to do it, I would. We went to church on Sunday nights, and that's when that was always on, so we weren't always able to watch that. You had to play hooky or be sick to actually be able to watch it in my day. Charlie's laughing because he understands the pain back then. because you were at church on Sunday night. You weren't home watching Mutual of Omaha. You couldn't watch Ed Sullivan, couldn't watch Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, couldn't watch Disney. Wizard of Oz, yeah, because all that stuff was on Sunday nights. If we got to see it, it was a rare occasion. Anyways, I'm digressing, but back to Jimmy Kimmel. Honestly, folks, I don't care. Personally, it doesn't matter to me. I am a little surprised that they're—am I calling it caving in? I guess he'll be off air for over a week, right, Charlie, or is it just a week? I can't remember. It's a little over a week, I want to say, that he's been off air. And a lot of conservatives, by the way, said, you know, he's canceled. No, they just polled him. I don't think anybody ever said he was totally canceled. There were negotiations and talks going on. And It'll be interesting to see what... My brain's going faster than my mouth. Sorry. It'll be interesting to see where things go. That's what I'm trying to say here. I'm not sure Jimmy's out of the woods yet. I guess that's what I'm ultimately trying to get to here. He probably thinks he's saved. I wouldn't say that if I were him. If I were him, I would tread on very thin ice and really be careful with what I say moving forward because you're liable to get canceled altogether. And on top of that... I will be surprised, and maybe I'm wrong in this, and I could be Charlie, but I'll bet you his ratings don't go up after this. Charlie said there'll be a spike because people will want to watch him immediately to see what he says. Even some conservatives will watch to see what he says, but that'll fall right off. And he'll be back to where he was or worse. So that's my two cents. I don't know exactly how that's all going to play out. And once again, I don't have a dog in the fight and frankly, don't really care one way or the other what he does. I've never liked the guy, never thought he was funny anyways. And how many writers, Charlie, are they on that show? 25 or something? At least 25 writers to try to make him funny. Now, just between all of us, if I needed 25 writers to make my show funny, I think I'd give it up and go do something else. And I'll just say this. Those 25 don't do a great job because he's not funny. So somebody there probably should lose their job because he's not funny. And I don't know why it takes 25 writers. But I don't know that world. Don't care. That's a world I don't live in, don't care to live in, never will live in. Just not an issue to me at all. And I did get a couple of text messages to see if I had noticed that that news had come in. And, yes, that was coming out. About a half an hour, I want to say, before I came on air is when that was actually announced. I read that article. This particular article was produced at 12.36 p.m., and I don't know if that—that was probably—I'm guessing that was probably California time. So that would have been 1.30 here. I didn't see the news until about 2.30, so that's when I actually saw the announcement started to make its way around. And in a lot of cases, you know, keep in mind, that's pretty fast to receive that news within an hour of it being posted compared to the old days where you wouldn't have known about that for maybe a day or two. In today's instant news tech, you know, instant news cycle that we live in yet to have that news within an hour. That's pretty fast. So, again, we'll see what happens. It's an interesting response, I would say, from Disney on all of this. And here's here's my thought, though. I highly doubt. that the writers and or Jimmy Kimmel himself can leave this alone. In other words, they'll say something. They'll poke fun at something, and it'll be interesting to see how they do that end of it and how far away they stay from things. And that's what people, by the way, Charlie's correct, that's what some will tune in for to see what does he actually say on, you know, it's not live television because all these are recorded, but it'll be interesting to see exactly what comes out tomorrow night. They'll record that, what, tomorrow morning or tomorrow afternoon or something, Charlie, probably? 5.30 California time, Charlie says, is when they record that. And they play that later in the night, of course, as you all know. And Charlie said all of the shows are like that. None of them are done at night, so... We'll see. We'll see how that goes tomorrow night. Dr. Scott's coming up next. And Dr. Scott, again, he is my doctor. He would love to help you, and he is looking out for your best interest. And not the best interest, by the way, of what your insurance company has to say or what Big Pharma has to say. He'll do whatever is best for you. Talk to him today. Call 303-663-6990.
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SPEAKER 11 :
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SPEAKER 08 :
All right, somebody also messaged and reminded me of, or maybe it's not a reminder, just mentioning that the Charlie Kirk Memorial was yesterday. I did not watch it, by the way. I use my, especially Sunday afternoons for chores and things like that, especially this time of the year, and I did not watch it. I saw a few excerpts. My wife showed me a few things. She watched some of it, but no, I did not spend four hours yesterday watching that memorial, not because I didn't want to. Well, honestly, I didn't want to. I'll be honest with you guys. I had no desire to watch any of that, and people are probably going to be astonished at that. Why didn't I want to watch it and see all that went on and so on? Honestly, I had other things to do. And just as a side note, I'm not a big memorial service guy. It's just me. I'm not a big wedding guy either. I'm not a big those type of events guy, I guess. Maybe that's the way I can say it. I'll go, and there's times where you don't have any choice. You have to go. But I'll just tell you in general, for me personally, just not my thing. And... I have my reasons why, but just not my thing. And that's fine. A lot of people enjoy going. And there was a lot of folks there that I did see some excerpts of, you know, kind of a who's who of the different folks that showed up and different politicians and leaders and so on. And that's great. And by the way, I feel like a lot of those folks had to be there. They really didn't have a choice. It was one of those things where they, especially those that were in support of Charlie, they definitely needed to be there. And I'm glad they were. I think all in all, they were like, I think they live streamed close to 100 million people is one of the figures I saw, and in attendance inside and outside the stadium was around 100,000 people, possibly more. I think the stadium seats 70-some thousand, and there were another 30,000 or so outside is the numbers that I saw. I don't know that for sure because, again, I wasn't there, but I did see some pictures that would – validate what i just told you so there was roughly a hundred thousand or so people in person that were there for that service and about a hundred million watching worldwide because literally folks streamed that all around the world i don't know what the the largest number of individuals to ever see a particular service like this are i again those are those are not things that i track and i didn't look it up because Again, I don't care. In this case, 100 million plus those that were live in attendance watched it. And it was from everything I've read, everything that I saw, the clips I saw, a very moving, very good service. And everybody that I saw was just talking up one side and down the other as to how great it was. She did. Erica Kirk, his wife, did forgive the shooter, which I will give hats off to her. That's very difficult for a lot of folks to do, especially that soon after an incident like that. But I think that shows you the caliber of person that she actually is. I saw pictures of, you know, J.D. Vance and, of course, President Trump and her hugging and things like that. And again, very moving, very moving service. But no, I did not spend all four hours there. watching that. And those of you that did, I'm glad you did. And if you want to give some input into that, in fact, you want to call in and even give me some input on that today, you're more than welcome to do so. Again, our phone number 303-477-5600, 303-477-5600. But again, yeah, no judgment. And if you watched it and you spent four hours and you had four hours to watch, great. I didn't really even watch much of the crappy Bronco game that we can't ever seem to pull out and win. So I didn't see much of anything along those lines because, again, as I go through the weekends, especially this time of the year, I've got certain things that need to get accomplished before winter hits, and I do things like that because, as you all know, I'm on air until about 1 o'clock, exactly 1 o'clock on Saturdays, and I typically have a few things that I do right after that, and then I start in and have other things that, I need to get done throughout the weekend, so my time is limited, and I didn't have four hours to spend doing that yesterday. So at any rate, yes, for those of you that are mentioning that, I did see that. I did see a few excerpts of and so on. And again, it was a great service, and I commend all of those that were in attendance, and it'll be interesting and even fun to watch now to see what happens moving forward. I like Erica, by the way, a lot. I think she'll do very well with the organization. She will have to fill some big shoes, as we all know. But I believe if there's anybody that can do it, I think she'll do just fine, especially after watching some of these speeches and things that she has done. since Charlie's passing, his assassination. I think she's done very well. And by the way, I commend her for that. I think she's doing an excellent job. The biggest question, and Andy and I talked about this last Tuesday, will be, does she have the ability to bring the factions together that are still involved in Turning Point? You know, the Candace Owen nut jobs of that End of things. Can she bring them in and and calm down some of the nonsense that goes on there with the folks like Candace Owens, which Candace is a nut job in and of herself. And I've said that numerous times. And that one I'll keep saying she is. In fact, I will just say this about Candace. I wasn't going to mention this, but I will now. Her whole conspiracy of what has gone on and the shooting itself and so on, she could have waited at least a week or two to go through some of what she's doing. But Candace is all about Candace. And if you haven't believed me in regards to that, look at what she's done in the past week regarding all of that. And I'm not trying to exaggerate here, but his body's not even cold yet, and she's spewing out all these conspiracy theories so she can put the attention back on herself instead of him. And I mean that sincerely. That's how much of a nut job and an attention seeker she really is. And if you're somebody that follows Candace Owens, I feel sorry for you. Honestly, I do. I mean that sincerely. I feel sorry for you. You have a screw loose, too, because she does. The only buddy following Candace Owens are nut jobs like her because she's a nut job. Now, maybe you're following her to see what other nonsense she'll spew out that. OK, that's different. But if you're following Candace Owens for any other reason, you're as much of a nut job as she is because she's a nut job. And nobody does what she did unless you're just a complete attention-seeking nutjob like she is. And she literally is an attention-seeking nutjob. I have no other way to say it. Sorry, but she is an absolute nutjob. Marty, you're next.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, well, let's cut around this, John. We're entering this really scary territory here where, all on 9-11, we're kind of just going with the narrative. It was emotional. It was traumatic. We're not asking enough questions.
SPEAKER 08 :
Who's saying that we're not asking enough questions? And, by the way, to be respectful for Charlie, what Candace is doing is totally disrespectful. She's a nut job, Marty, absolute nut job.
SPEAKER 13 :
I am revisiting all of her claims and analyzing them in a one-off case. This Catholicism conversion has me completely at a loss. So I'm with you there. This steps outside of TPUSA, steps out of local law enforcement, steps out of the FBI. What's clear is that this administration and the government is – I mean, Kash Patel was right there. And we think they're lying to us about the single shooter and a 30-odd.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm glad you brought this up, Marty, because it's always amazing to me when things like this happen. Everybody's now a gun ballistics expert when most cases they've never been in that field ever. And as somebody, by the way, I have been. uh hunting and shooting and done all sorts of things and have killed live animals and so on and this whole theory that you know if he was really shot with a 30-06 the back of his neck would have been completely blown out that's just not true marty that is false whoever said that they're they're a as well they don't understand how things work because that's not true either
SPEAKER 13 :
Are you are you settled on the location, the angle, the direction in which Charlie was shot? Yes, you are settled on that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. And by the way, that's coming from somebody that I've been around guns my entire life. I've shot I've shot animals. I've done all sorts of things along those lines. Marty, I don't consider myself, by the way, any sort of, quote unquote, expert along those lines. But my personal experience would say, yes, I'm settled with that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Now, that's breathtaking because, you know, that's a moose gun. That's an elk gun. That's a high-powered gun. You know it's coming from, they say, it's 200 yards of distance.
SPEAKER 08 :
150 is what I calculated on my own Google Maps was about 150. Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
Going along with all that, of course, now he's one shot.
SPEAKER 08 :
And like I said, and I said this last week and I'll say it again, he was about an inch away from missing, meaning he wasn't as good of a shot as everybody thought he was or saying he was, because I believe he was most likely aiming for his head. Headshot. And he was aiming for a headshot and darn near missed.
SPEAKER 13 :
Head shot and a la Trump. They wanted that visual. It doesn't do as well if that's, you know, in the chest, still dead. But it doesn't give that traumatic. And so I guess this is where we're looking at this, John.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I got one more thing. I did. I did do a little bit of research on this over the weekend. There's a lot of folks out there claiming that, you know, nobody talks the way this guy talks. in his text messages and so on. There is actually audio video of him being pulled over by a policeman a couple of years ago. And Marty, that's exactly how he talks.
SPEAKER 13 :
I saw that he – well, I think the contrast, the highlight of that should be the respectful sort of innocent, non-aggressive nature. Now, they're going to say that he was radicalized, of course, in the meantime.
SPEAKER 08 :
And another thing I'm glad you brought up because here's my feeling on that. There are a lot of individuals – that are very disturbed, a lot of turmoil going on, and they're really good at being a hypocrite or disguising it on the outside, but inside they are completely radicalized, weaponized, call it whatever you want to, Marty, but internally they are wackadoodles.
SPEAKER 13 :
There's a lot to that.
SPEAKER 08 :
And really quick, by the way, one of them, you and I started talking about Candace Owens. If you were to just have a normal conversation with Candace and look at her and her body language and so on, you would think, well, this is a very nice, attractive-looking woman that I could sit and have a conversation with all day long until she starts going down these rabbit trails.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I mean, yes and no, but I think setting this aside, this person that you're describing, cool under pressure, he actually became a murderer, and not only just a murderer. He murdered a high-profile person in a live, high-profile setting and did it cool as a cucumber, and he assembled that gun.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, and I don't – I wouldn't go as – not that one. No, I'll push back on that one as well, Marty. I don't think he was as cool as a cucumber because – He almost missed, meaning he wasn't that calm, cool, and collected. And as I've said, I could have told you that he was right-handed by the way that bullet actually went because typically people, when they're nervous and they're shooting and they're right-handed with their right finger, they're going to pull the gun to the right in that particular situation. For example, most people that shoot their first animal, their first deer, their first whatever, In a lot of cases, they'll completely miss because they get what we call buck fever, meaning that they have a really hard time controlling the gun. Marty, this guy darn near missed. Now, the fortunate thing for him was he grew up around that stuff. He did have a lot of experience being around guns and shooting and so on. So, you know, I'm not giving the guy any ounce of credit whatsoever, but he almost missed, meaning he wasn't as calm and cool and collected as most people would think.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it's a pretty intense environment. It was packed. You're going to kill somebody. It's going to be a national thing. And he was planning on living, John, so then you have the whole aftermath. But I want to ask you this, John. If you're comfortable with the grandfather's 30-06, one shot through the neck, straight on. Why haven't we seen the cameras that were up prior or after Charlie was killed? They were directly behind him. They've been turned over to the FBI. Don't you think those cameras would prove your theory? Or could it be that there is no shooter head on, that that bullet very clearly came from Charlie's right side, exited his neck, and it was not a .30-06 because the coroner's telling us that his neck bones... stopped that bullet, although you know it would go right through a military-grade helmet. So how do we reconcile? We have no evidence of the direct shot. We have an exit wound being confused as an entry wound. We have a .30-06 being used that would... And I don't want to be graphic. His head wouldn't have stayed on his body had it been ingested into his body like they're describing, meaning it didn't exit. It got absorbed by his body.
SPEAKER 08 :
And all of that, you know, and by the way, all of that, I don't know on all of that, Marty. What I do know is some of the eyewitness testimonies like Frank Turek, by the way, who I have a lot of respect for. I've interviewed him. Used to have him on almost every Friday on my Faith Friday show. episodes we did years ago frank was literally right there with him was in the car uh you know taking him to the there was no ambulance they literally shuttled him to the hospital in in their suburban i guess you would call it that they actually had there frank was there with him that entire time and when you listen to some of those eyewitnesses eyewitness accounts there's nobody there that is that is, how should I say, countering the story that we're being told. Let's just say that, Marty. And I know Frank Turek well enough to know that if that were the case, he would say so. He's that honest of a guy.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, but I think all we're talking about, if we change the location of the shooter, is all we need to do. And what motivation, I mean, there's no way Frank Turek is going to have a In the moment, even a eyewitness standpoint, that would be trustworthy. He wasn't looking for a sniper. We just have to now go on physics and geometry.
SPEAKER 08 :
And by the way, when I looked at a lot of that, which I don't really I don't want to see it any more than I've already seen it. But when I look at the actual image of Charlie being shot and where the blood came squirting out and so on, I'd have a hard time disagreeing with what I've already said.
SPEAKER 13 :
John, but John, how can you say no one? You just said this outline and he slumps to his left and the blood is almost like a water fountain coming out the left side of his neck. Are we on the same page so far? That's where that hole is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
And that's where his body of motion.
SPEAKER 08 :
OK, so you're telling me that before we go on, Marty, have you ever shot a live animal? Have you ever killed an animal? Have you ever shot an animal?
SPEAKER 13 :
I've shot at, but never with intent to kill.
SPEAKER 08 :
Then Marty conversation over. And this is for everybody else listening. If you've never shot a live animal and seen the reaction of what happens when you kill something, and I've never killed a human, but when you've never done that, I'm sorry, Marty, shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Period. There's no conversation here because you've never seen what I've seen and experienced for myself when you kill something. And what I'm going at with this is all sorts of things happen. Marty, when you kill someone, that body changes. changes. There's different things that can tense up. It could have been tensed up prior to the shot happening. There are so many explanations that if you've never been through that and seen it for yourself, don't talk about it.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's not fair, John.
SPEAKER 08 :
It is fair, Marty, because you don't know. You've never seen what I've seen, so you can't talk about it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, well, I don't have firsthand. I've certainly seen animals killed on video and, of course, a thousand times over. John, I'm not a structural engineer or took an engineering class, but I know Building 7 didn't fall down like that on its own accord. So we don't have to have firsthand experience to understand that bullet hole in no way came from a direct strike. Straight on.
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SPEAKER 11 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we are back.
SPEAKER 08 :
Soren, what's up, sir?
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, not much. But I was talking to all my police officer friends, and they said that they watched the video multiple times over. And from what they saw, it looked like it hit body armor and then bounced up into the neck and went straight to the brain.
SPEAKER 08 :
That could be, too. And again, that one, Soren, I don't have all of the answers to. I mean, I saw what I saw on camera. It's extremely difficult to, especially with the picture quality that I had, maybe they've got better quality images that they're looking at. I don't have an opinion on that one way or the other. That would not shock me if that were the case.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, because if you said if he was that bad of a shot, it could have hit down way lower.
SPEAKER 08 :
Could have. And I think he was, Soren. I mean, I think that it was, well, again, everything I believe, you know me, I believe everything is providential. I don't think anything is by chance. And in this particular situation, you know, was he allowed to take Charlie's life? I believe that he was, yes. And at the end of the day, he was extremely lucky because he darn near missed.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's my theory. And so, as you know, Soren, really quick, just to make sure I put this out here, do I believe all of these conspiracy or any of these conspiracy theories that are out there running around now? Do I trust government? You guys all know my feeling on that, and no, I do not. But at the end of the day, do I think there was another shooter and that somehow the CIA, FBI, whoever, whoever, whoever, some other three-letter agency was involved in taking out Charlie Kirk? No, Soren, I do not believe that. yeah and it would be very hard to believe that saying that every cabinet agent spoke at his funeral yesterday um i think internally in this current administration there are very few individuals that didn't like charlie and didn't like what he did in the simple fact that he was very instrumental in having this president elected in the first place those that have those jobs wouldn't have it without trump being there in the first place yeah soren i have a hard time believing that any of them would want him taken out now I get it. There's other deep state players that are out there and so on. And I'm not saying that everybody inside of government is by any means soaring a good guy because there's a lot of bad guys. But in this particular case, yeah, no, I don't think that anybody other than that particular individual, who I don't want to even name his name because I don't want to give him any credit, especially since he's still alive. I do believe that he did this on his own.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, from looking at it, that's about all the conclusion you can have.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and if you look at Soren, the disturbed nature of this particular individual, the relationship that he had with his boyfriend, now wanting to be the girlfriend, or whatever twisted, wicked, weird thing that is, and you just look at... how this particular individual starts to think along those lines in the hatred that ends up happening inside of the heart. I mean, I look at this, Soren, as simply being good versus evil. And I'm not going to say evil won, because if you look at what happened yesterday, evil hasn't won. Was there a slight setback and a change of direction? Absolutely. But evil didn't win, Soren.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, in fact, it looks from the way everything went yesterday that evil might have taken us one step back for a week, and now we're ten steps forward.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct. Absolutely, Soren. And as I said, even the day of Charlie's assassination, God can take something that's bad, something that's evil, and turn it the other way around, and that's exactly what he's done here. That's the plus side, even for a lot of young people listening right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, well... What has happened in these past 11 days or 12 days has been more than probably Charlie did in his entire life.
SPEAKER 08 :
Soren, I don't know that I can argue with that. When you look at there was 100 million people streaming that particular service yesterday, that's the estimates that I read before coming on air, plus the 100,000 people that were there live and the countless others that you probably can't even count that will go back in and even rewatch things like I will because I didn't see it live. At the end of the day, Soren, millions upon millions upon millions of people's lives were affected by him.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, well, like even my family, you know, my mom and my dad were like, oh, I'd never heard of Charlie Kirk until just a couple weeks ago.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And now they're going through and watching a lot of his old stuff.
SPEAKER 08 :
There you go. Great example. Great example, Soren. Well, I appreciate you calling in, Soren, because I, you know, you're sort of, you know, reiterating some of what I was saying. I'm going to squeeze one more call in, Soren. I appreciate it very much. We're getting close to the top of the hour. Charlie, I'll move our last break so we know we have enough time. John, go ahead. I think Marty might need to get back on his meds.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I know you can't say that or agree with me, but I can't.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and I love all of our callers, and I know every one of them comes from different places, John. But, you know, on the same token, I'm not going to entertain things, especially when folks don't have the real expertise and or facts. And I'm not trying to belittle anybody, John, but when you've never killed an animal and watched what happens when you actually kill something that's alive and then it's now no longer alive, it's dead now. And in the case even of some of the animals that I have shot with things like a 7mm mag, which is very similar to a .30-06, by the way, and you look at the entrance wound going through, I've shot deer and elk in the neck, by the way, and when you look at the entrance wound and the exit wound, John, there's not a lot, I mean, there's not a lot of, I mean, they're dead, but to think for a second that you've blown the animal's head off because you shot it with a high-power rifle, it just doesn't work that way, John, as you know. No, it doesn't.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I've seen it. But, you know, a couple of quick things. One, he was shooting at an angle. So you don't know if that was just he nicked him just right in the neck to open up that carotid artery, which is what it was. My daughter, who is a Navy, retired Navy corpsman, combat medic for the Navy Marine Corps. gets their medics from the Navy, as everybody knows. She said that she saw that video and she said if there was a combat surgeon right there with the right equipment, he had a 50% chance of living. That was it. Because there was so much blood that came out. But it could have just been a neck. And where did, you know, did they find the bullet? I don't know that. I didn't hear that.
SPEAKER 08 :
I haven't heard that either.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, with the other guy saying his old grandpa's rifle. Do you know that in the military, when I was in with an M16A1, we qualified with iron sights up to 300 meters, and most guys, once you learned how to shoot properly, could hit with no problem at 300 meters.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. So you take and put a scope on that now, and the game even changes further, John.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but if you could shoot 300 meters with iron sights and you take a rifle with a scope at, what was it, 200 yards? 150 yards, roughly. 150, 200 yards? That's not a hard shot to make.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, John, I could take, even when I was about 12 years of age, I could take my dad's .30-06, which he had. I still have that rifle today. I could take that same rifle with a pie plate at 100 yards at 12 years old and hit it all day long.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because... And this kid learned how to shoot at a young age of everything that came out, his family's hunters and stuff. Once you learn how to shoot correctly and you have the right habits, you can make that shot. That's not a hard shot to make. No, it's not. No, I just am glad that it was over. And by the way, John, I didn't watch the Charlie Kirk thing either, and I saw everything I needed to know this morning. on X in about a half hour. But the other thing, I was going to bring this up Friday, but Friday is a soft day. Did you see the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Dolan's comments on Fox and Friends and how they're crucifying him on the air?
SPEAKER 08 :
I did not see him, no.
SPEAKER 12 :
If you have a chance during the break, just Google Cardinal Dolan on X or search it on X. It's about a minute and a half interview, and he compared Charlie Kirk to a modern-day St. Paul, and left has lost their mind.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. I did not know that.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's a really good, and it's only about, you could probably watch it during the break.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. All right. I'll do my best to do that, John. Appreciate you very much. Nope, that's where we're at. We'll take a break. We'll come back here in a moment. Don't go anywhere. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Thank you.
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On today's program: Casey Harper, Managing Editor for Broadcast at The Washington Stand and Host of the "Outstanding" podcast, shares highlights from Charlie Kirk's memorial, a deadly attack with anti-Semitic undertones at a wedding, and the
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from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
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On the cross, our Savior said, Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. That man, that young man, I forgive him.
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That was Erica Kirk in a powerful moment at yesterday's memorial service, breaking down in tears as she forgave the alleged shooter who killed her husband, Charlie Kirk. Welcome to this September 22nd edition of Washington Watch. I'm Tony Perkins, your host. Thanks so much for tuning in. Well, coming up today, powerful reflections on Charlie Kirk's memorial in Phoenix, where forgiveness and the gospel took center stage. Our own Casey Harper and Travis Weber join me later in the program for more. Senator Chuck Schumer blames President Donald Trump for a possible government shutdown. Now, the House passed a clean funding bill at the end of last week, but the Senate hasn't. Congressman Robert Adderhall will join me in just a bit to discuss what happens next. And Britain and several other countries announced on Sunday they now recognize Palestine as a state. A declaration coming as the United Nations General Assembly gathers in New York this week. Jonathan Shanzer from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies will break it all down for us. More than 63,000 people gathered outside Phoenix yesterday afternoon for memorial service honoring Christian conservative leader Charlie Kirk. The 31-year-old was shot and killed while answering a question from an audience member at an event at Utah Valley University on September the 10th. Faith in Jesus Christ was front and center at yesterday's event with speakers like Pastor Rob McCoy and Christian apologist Frank Turek sharing how important the gospel was to Charlie. Joining me now is Washington Stand reporter Casey Harper, who has been following this story. Casey, what more can you tell us about the memorial service yesterday?
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Well, thanks, Tony. Yesterday's event, it drew some of the nation's biggest political and Christian figures from President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance and, of course, Charlie's widow, who you featured there, Erica. And at one point, she broke down in tears as she told the crowd she forgave the alleged killer.
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That man...
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I forgive him.
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I've seen that clip many times, but it gets me every time, Tony. But at the event, the gospel was shared through messages from Charlie's pastor, Rob McCoy, and even his mentor and Christian apologist, Frank Turek.
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Now, I want you to know that Charlie right now is in heaven. not because he was a great husband and father, not because he saved millions of kids out of darkness on college campuses, not because he changed minds and chased votes to save the country, not because he sacrificed himself for his savior. Charlie Kirk is in heaven because his savior sacrificed himself for Charlie Kirk.
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That clip was Frank Turek, president of the Christian Apologetics Group, crossexamine.org. This event was streamed live by Turning Point USA and is estimated to have reached millions of viewers, Tony.
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Thanks, Casey. I actually spoke with Frank Turek earlier this morning and thanked him for such a clear presentation of the gospel. And our prayer is that the message of the gospel will continue to reach the hearts and minds of people. Casey, what else are you tracking?
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Well, New Hampshire officials, this is an interesting story and very sad, they say 23-year-old Hunter Nadeau shot and killed a man and wounded two others with a handgun. Now, the shooting happened Saturday night at a restaurant during a wedding. Notably, a witness said the suspect shouted, the children are safe and free Palestine. Of course, earlier this year, a man shouting that same phrase killed two at the Israeli embassy. They were staff members near the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., Tony. So these acts of violence, they're part of this growing wave of anti-Semitic attacks that are, of course, tied to the ongoing war against the terrorist group Hamas in Gaza. The incident in New Hampshire, it comes on the heels of the United Nations General Assembly meeting in New York, which began today. And Britain, related to that, Britain announced yesterday it's officially recognizing a Palestinian state. France announced today they're making the same official. So they say Israel has failed to meet key conditions, including a ceasefire and the nearly two-year Gaza conflict. Now, Prime Minister Keir Starmer, he said the move aims to revive hope for peace and this so-called two-state solution, though many say this proposal threatens the very existence of Israel. The U.K. joins many countries, including, as I noted, France, Canada, Australia and Portugal, in recognizing the Palestinian state, Tony.
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You know, Casey, it's hard to see how rewarding the barbaric behavior of Hamas by recognizing a Palestinian state will actually lead to peace. I mean, this is they're giving in to these terrorists. Anyway, we're going to explore this topic more with Jonathan Schanzer, executive director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a little later. Casey, what's the latest from Capitol Hill on the pending government shutdown?
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Well, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, he's on the verge of shutting down the government, but he's blaming President Trump. He says President Trump hasn't been willing to negotiate, to have a sit-down, to avoid the shutdown, though, breaking news, there are reports now that they are supposed to meet, so there could be a breakthrough there. Schumer's been blaming Republicans for, he says they're pushing for a partisan funding bill without Democratic input. Of course, the House passed a clean funding bill last week, but the Senate has not. They don't have the Democratic votes yet. And without a deal, the government could shut down on October 1st, Tony.
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All right. Thank you, Casey. We'll talk to you a bit later. Joining me now to dive further into the government funding fight is Congressman Robert Adderhall, a member of the House Appropriations Committee and chair of the Values Action Team. He represents the 4th Congressional District of Alabama. Congressman Adderhall, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us.
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Thanks, Tony. Good to be with you and good. Thanks for having me on this afternoon.
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Well, let's talk about the House finished its business before it left town last week, passing a clean, continuing resolution. But the Senate hasn't done anything with it. What are you hearing?
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Well, it was interesting. I was listening to some of the Sunday talk shows yesterday, and, of course, Chuck Schumer was one of the ones that was being interviewed. And I think that – well, I think from my reading between the lines on what's going on right now, the Democrats are not sure what they're going to do. I think they see it's a real problem that if they shut down the government, that that could cause a real problem for them as well as other problems for the entire nation. But at the same time, I think there's a tremendous amount of pressure from their base is they want to fight Donald Trump. So they're in a really a lose-lose situation the way that I see it. And I think over the next few days, they will be talking to their constituents and talking to their members and finding out. you know, really watches the course of least resistance. And whichever one they decide, that's the one they'll move in. I think right now it could go either way. I think that at the end of the day, I think that Schumer was very reluctant to go ahead and say, I'm shutting down the government or I will shut down the government because I think a lot of his members are very reluctant.
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You know, Tip O'Neill used to say all politics is local. I mean, I think this is a local issue when it comes to the Senate Democrat leader, Chuck Schumer. You talk about the base. Part of this is the base in the state of New York that could threaten his political existence because they've become so radical.
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Yeah, exactly. And that, like you said, the base is really, I think, what is they're so frustrated at Donald Trump and the Republicans. And they are wanting a good fight. And this is the only way they know to fight right now. So I think that Schumer knows the dangers of shutting down the government. You could see from the interview yesterday that he was very reluctant to say that he's committed to shut down the government because he knows the ramifications. But at the same time, if they get pressure and their base says you got to do it, then, you know, it may happen. But I don't think any decision has been made right now. I think they're waiting to see over the next few days. Congress is in recess this week, both the House and the Senate, and members will be back with their constituency to find out what's going on. And I think they'll be deciding over the next week exactly which direction they're going to go.
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All right, Congressman Adderhall. What appears to be the most likely scenarios then? How do you see this playing out?
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I think that at the end of the day, the Democrats will see that it's too risky and they will come to some, now they're going to want something. Right now, what they're asking for is government subsidies on the Obamacare and several other healthcare-related issues. But that's the main thing right now is they're wanting to do subsidies for Obamacare, and I think that's a bridge too far. And so they may cut and notch it down, ask for a little something to save face, and then an agreement will be made.
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So you at this point do not think there will be a shutdown?
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I think there is a good chance the Democrats will come to the table. That's correct. However, you know, longer this goes, you know, the more likelihood it would be. But I think it's they're taking a real chance for them to shut down the government. And I think that would really be a bad look for them.
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All right, Congressman Adderhall, we just have about two and a half minutes left. I want to talk more about the appropriations. You're one of what they call the cardinals in the appropriations. You oversee one of the areas of appropriations. The speaker who's been on the program many times, we've talked about appropriations. getting the Congress back to regular order when it comes to appropriations. I mean, we have to go back almost 20 years to see Congress actually functioning in that role. We were discussing that last week with one of your colleagues, suggesting that maybe it's time that Congress works to two-year appropriations because there's just not enough time to deal with the volume and the size of the government budget each and every year.
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Obviously, that would be a serious option. The problem with that, as someone on the Preparations Committee, is that suppose you get someone like a Biden in there as opposed to someone like a Trump that we agree with, and so they're given free reign of the government for a period. and i think that's dangerous so i think we have to take that in consideration so um it's there's pros and cons to everything uh as you well know but i would be reluctant at this point to say go into a two-year right now would be fine with donald trump as president but he is not always going to be president and so i think we have to be looking for those long-term issues where in a few years we might have a Democrat and very well fit.
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But you would agree you would agree the current situation is not working because the Congress is not passing appropriations bills.
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Yeah, no, I agree. There's really, a matter of fact, you said about 20, it's been almost 30 since we passed the preparation bills by September the 30th. So, no, you're exactly right. The question is, do we, they'll move it, move some of the, because we're gone during the month of August.
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And so that really hampers the ability to try to get some of these negotiations going. Well, you could a lot...
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You could align it with the two years or even a four-year budget along with a presidential term. I mean, there's several options to look at. But Congress really needs to take the lead here and not allow executives to drive. the budgeting process as they do so often at the CR.
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Well, that's the thing that I'm concerned about. If you did a two-year period, then that's really you give the administration a two-year time period to do a preparations, and you have no way to try to hold the reins back from them if they decide to do something crazy.
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All right, Robert, we've got to leave it there. Always great to see you. Drive safely. Talk to you soon.
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Thank you.
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Congressman Robert Adderholt of Alabama. All right, on the other side of the break, the United Nations is holding a meeting this week talking about two-state solutions. That's next.
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Welcome back to this Monday edition of Washington Watch. All right. As we speak, world leaders are gathering at the United Nations headquarters in New York. And just a couple hours ago, they started their discussion on the so-called two-state solution. ahead of the meeting and the start of the Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah, the nations of Britain, Canada, Australia, and Portugal all announced, and I believe France as well announced, their formal recognition of the so-called two-state, the state of Palestine. So what can we expect to see from the United Nations this week? Joining me now to discuss this, Dr. Jonathan Shanzer, executive director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. He is also author of the book Gaza Conflict 2021, Hamas, Israel, and the 11 Days of War. Dr. Shanzer, welcome to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us today. My pleasure. Now, I was told you just returned from Germany where the Palestinian state issue was the focus of meetings there. What can you tell us about what's going on internationally and what we might see in New York this week?
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Sure. Well, I mean, I think the first thing that you need to understand is that this is not a new initiative. This is something that has actually been pursued by the Palestinian Authority since 2005. There was actually a vote in 2012 where the UN saw 138 countries come out and recognize the state of Palestine or what they call the state of Palestine. That still didn't do anything to further the cause. And the reason why is that This will only matter if it is voted upon and accepted at the UN Security Council. So a General Assembly vote, where 193 countries could all vote in favor, would matter not even a bit. It has to be at the Security Council, and that's where the United States has a veto. And the United States has vowed to veto this. The Trump administration has said that it is a rewarding of terrorism. It is a rewarding of Hamas for the war that it launched on October 7. And so, yes, I do expect there to be a number of countries that come out and openly state their support for a Palestinian state for a so-called two-state solution. But in the end, it will matter very little. There will be some political pressure that will be placed on Israel as a result of this. But the U.S. has Israel's back, and I think the pressure will at some point dissipate.
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So, Jonathan, is this political theater on the international stage?
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Yes. I mean, in a word, yes. I mean, what I think you need to understand here is that most of these world leaders that are declaring Palestinian statehood are deeply unpopular at home. I mean, you see the government in France teetering Kyrgyzstan, numbers, and England are plummeting. The Portuguese are, I think, traditionally just unstable. So these are all countries that don't particularly have significant standing among their own populations. And they have large Muslim populations who have been speaking out against the war in Gaza.
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Let's take U.K. Starmer yesterday saying this. Originally, back in July, he said he laid out conditions, one of those being that Hamas would have to release the hostages, they would have to disarm, no future role in Gaza. None of those conditions have been agreed to or met, but yet he's now calling for recognition of a Palestinian state. And how many states do we have that have no... defined boundaries or constitutions? I mean, how often does that happen?
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It really doesn't. I mean, and by the way, it's not just that they don't have a constitution. It's not just that they don't have defined boundaries. They don't control arms within their so-called borders. In other words, they're armed gangs that are running around in both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The only thing that they are able to do that would meet the criteria of statehood is engage in diplomacy. So one out of four. Not looking real good for the Palestinians here. The last country that was admitted to the UN, just use that as an example, that was South Sudan. They suffered from similar problems. weak governance, armed factions running around, porous borders. And when you look at South Sudan right now, that is a disaster. The Middle East does not need another failed state. And that's why I think this is a real mistake to pursue right now.
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Jonathan, I want to go back to your statement in terms of the U.S., position on this, that they feel that this is rewarding Hamas. I mean, I don't know how you see it any different. I don't see how you can see it in a different fashion, because on October the 7th, they brutalized, they killed, and now we're rewarding them. The international community would be rewarding them with the state. But let's take this a little further. For all of these countries, as you said, that are already a little bit unstable, what does this do to terrorists that may want to focus on their countries?
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Look, I think it is a green light for violent factions in Kurdistan, for example, or in other areas where you have people without a homeland. Look, I'm not an opponent of Palestinian nationalism, Kurdish nationalism, or any other people that are looking for statehood. But when you see a group like Hamas launch a war two years ago murder people, 1,200 people in cold blood, and take hostages, 48 of whom have still not yet been returned. This is the kind of thing where you just scratch your head and wonder, why wouldn't they offer statehood after an agreement is struck, after the hostages are returned, after the core components of this conflict are resolved? This makes a lot of sense to me right now. But the other organization is an opponent of the Palestinian Authority and the West Bank. It makes no sense to me right now why they're doing this.
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All right, Jonathan, we just have a little bit over a minute left. The international stage there in New York with the United Nations meeting and the General Assembly, there'll be lots of speeches, lots of things said about this. Is the Security Council scheduled to meet? When are they scheduled to meet? And when will we see potential action on this?
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Yeah, I am actually not even sure that there will be a vote. I think you're going to see General Assembly action on this. You're going to see a lot of people come and speak out about this. But everybody knows exactly what's going to happen at the end here. Donald Trump is not going to be swayed. The United States will not be swayed here. And so this is posturing. It's a lot of virtue signaling right now. And there is much more important business to attend to at the United Nations. We've got a war with Russia and Ukraine. You've got snapback sanctions against Iran. These are the things that we should be focused on, not something that we know that's not going to pass.
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Dr. Schanzer, thanks so much for joining us today. Appreciate your insights on what I think is a very important and significant issue. Look forward to talking to you again soon. Thanks for having me. And folks, I would encourage you to be praying. I know that as he just laid out, it's not going to go anywhere, but it is fomenting that hostility, the anti-Semitism. It just makes the world a more difficult place. All right, don't go away. We're back with more after this.
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Welcome back. All right. Today on Washington Watch, we're introducing a new weekly feature, Standing Together, a special segment where we highlight organizations that share our commitment to advance the kingdom of God by championing faith, family and freedom. And none of us can meet today's challenges alone, but together. Together, we can advance God's truth in our culture and public policy. Well, today we're joined by Nina May, founder and chairman of the Renaissance Foundation and Renaissance Women Production. Nina, welcome to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
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Thank you very much for having me. Really appreciate it.
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So following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I and others have noted how the present environment harkens back to another time of turbulence, the 1960s, in which our nation witnessed the assassination of John F. Kennedy, president, his brother, attorney general, Martin Luther King Jr., But following that period was a countercultural Christian phenomenon known as the Jesus Movement, which exploded across the U.S. It spurred a nationwide spiritual awakening and left a legacy. And that's the subject of a movie, Jesus Freaks, a movie you produced that premiered earlier this summer and will actually be rebroadcast online October the 4th. Tell us about it. Tell us why it's timely and why you did it.
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Yeah, it really is amazing when you think about it. 50 years before the Jesus Freak movement and the Jesus Revolution, they did the movie out on the West Coast. This is kind of a sequel to it. But 50 years before that was the Azusa revival. Then you had Jesus Freaks, and now you're having the Gen Z revival 50 years after the Jesus Freaks. So it's really interesting. It's kind of a jubilee sort of countdown for those three right in a row. And so something always happened. Society changed. People's lives were changed. There was more of a hunger for God. It wasn't just establishment churches, but there was something else that was happening. I remember when we were growing up, we obviously knew Jesus. We loved Jesus. But we were flannelboard Christians. We didn't understand who the Holy Spirit was. In fact, you were not really... You're told not to talk about the Holy Spirit. Jesus was okay. God, of course, is wonderful. But you started talking about the Holy Spirit and suddenly people go, well, we don't do that here. And we all wondered why. What is the problem with that? Because that's the power. And when you reject the power that God has created us to have with the Creator, then you're really rejecting what your destiny is that he's designed you for. So we are seeing crazy things happening now. But remember 50 years ago, In the early 70s was when we were, all this was happening to us. We had the end of the Vietnam War. We had abortion. I mean, that was big on the rise. And of course, drugs were now becoming acceptable, not totally mainstream, but not quite as bad as they were. So we were having things that we had to deal with. And knowing Jesus and knowing the power of the Holy Spirit to get through some of these hard times was just, it was miraculous. It was wonderful. And we want miracles like that today. We've got to expect miracles.
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So storytelling is very powerful because if it happened before, it can happen again. And this movie, based on a true story in 1972, share a little bit about that. We've got a couple of minutes. Just kind of share the storyline.
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Well, it's based on a true story. It's basically... My husband's name is Colby, so it's mine and Colby's story of becoming born-again believers on a college campus in the Southeast. The Jesus Revolution story was on the West Coast. This is the East Coast. And again, it's on a college campus where it was much more... The discussion was much more cerebral. It wasn't just, you know, was it drugs, rock and roll, sex, drugs, rock and roll? It wasn't that at all. It was basically... Why do you think you need Jesus? And it was our story, and there was miracles that happened. I mean, that was how Colby became a Christian. He had an encounter with the Lord and the Holy Spirit on the soccer field at night and a vision. And a whole column of light came down. It's all in the movie. There's tons of miracles that are in the movie. And we really want young kids to use this. First of all, the Gen Z group to use this as a tool of witnessing for their friends, but also looking at it themselves as a deep dive that they can have with the relationship with God. Because again, he calls us to be a co-creator. And I take that calling very seriously. It's a lot of fun. You know, a fun time with it. But bottom line, I probably had no idea I was doing this. I was doing it as our anniversary. So I made a movie without him.
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So it's going to be online. Share how people can join and watch this coming up in just a couple of weeks.
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Yeah, it's now on Amazon Prime. It's on Tubi. It's on several other network platforms like that. But on October 4th, it's going to be on TCT TV. So it's real fast. And they're putting it all over the country. They love it. They're doing this on their dime. I mean, they just really think that this message has to get out there, especially for the young people to understand that God does have a purpose for their lives. And it's fun finding out what that purpose is. And you just never know.
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And there's going to be some online discussions and follow up?
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Yeah, on September the 28th at about, I think, 4.30 to 5.30 that afternoon, it's sort of the making of, the behind-the-scenes making of the movie. And we've got several testimonies from people that you would know that have testimonies from that time period. That's when they became born again. And they all have amazing stories to tell. And again, their names today are household names. But if it had not been for the move of the Holy Spirit, At that time on that campus, I don't know if you would have some of the things that you have, some of the preachers, some of the books, some of the authors, some of the entertainers, some of the major pastors that we have. They all became Christians and born again during that time period.
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Very quickly, where can people find out more?
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Go to jesusfreaksmovie.com, and all of it's in there, all the dates and times and everything, because it is confusing. But jesusfreaksmovie.com, and you can find more about it. You can see the trailer, which we've gotten wonderful label reviews for, and we're very excited about it.
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All right, Nina Mae, thanks so much for joining us, and thank you for sharing the gospel and its powerful transformative effect upon our lives. Great to see you.
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My pleasure. Thank you very much.
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And folks, if God did it before, he can do it again. And America needs it again. All right, don't go away. More straight ahead.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. All right, I want to invite you to join like-minded believers for the Pray, Vote, Stand Summit October 17th and 18th at Calvary Chapel Chino Hills in California. Now, this powerful event brings together Christian leaders, issue experts, and officials for a time of prayer, inspiration, and action. I mean, this is the moment. So I invite you to come and join us. To find out more or to register, visit PrayVoteStand.org. That's PrayVoteStand.org. Our word for today comes from Galatians chapter 1. The gospel which was preached by me is not according to man, for I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called me through his grace to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood. nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went to Arabia and returned again to Damascus. When Paul encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus, he didn't launch into a ministry right away. Instead, he went into the desert for three years. God often uses the desert, a place of isolation and scarcity, to prepare his people. Paul then spent nearly another decade in hidden preparation before his world changing ministry began. In all, it was over a dozen years in training before preaching the gospel widely. The lesson is pretty clear. Leaders and teachers must be tested, shaped and proven before they can be safely followed. To find out more about our journey through the Bible, text Bible to 67742. That's Bible to 67742. And I invite you to join us. All right, as we heard earlier, potential government shutdown is looming. And world leaders are also gathering at the United Nations headquarters in New York, beginning today, where several European countries are promoting the recognition of a Palestinian state. So here to offer some analysis on what we're tracking here at the Family Research Council this week is our panel of pundits for today, Travis Weber, Vice President of Policy and Government Affairs, and Casey Harper, Managing Editor for Broadcast at the Washington Stand. Travis, Casey, thanks so much for joining me today.
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Thank you, Tony. Thanks, Tony.
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I want to follow back up, Casey, where you and I started earlier in the program. Yesterday, many in our audience watched the memorial service for Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk, as did tens of thousands who flocked to the State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona, to attend the service in person. Share with us some of the major themes running throughout the day.
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Yeah, but it was really... to, of course. And one major theme was forgiveness, Tony. We saw the powerful moment where Erica forgave her killer. She burst into tears. And I don't know if you noticed this, but when you look into the crowd, you can see several grown men crying at that moment as everyone stands and gives their standing ovation. It's very powerful. I cried. I'll admit it. It was a really powerful moment. So that theme of forgiveness, I think, is the strongest. You also heard this word, which is a great word, the word revival. And that's really a nod to the way that so many youth, both in conservative politics but more pronounced in their faith, have come out posting on social media, making videos. and in other ways saying that they're rededicating their life to Christ or they're coming to Christ for the first time. Now, there was a lot of good news came out of this and if we want to just stay on honoring Charlie, that's fine. But I do think there were some darker elements of the speeches that came through and people have been talking about that as well. You would hear one speaker who would speak and they would be in the spirit clearly and what they were saying was really powerful. And then another speaker would come up and it would be good mostly, but it was kind of in the flesh. And so you had this theme of power, of revival, but then the flesh coming into it.
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So I talked to a reporter today, called me, getting my thoughts on the event. And I really think it's a picture of the current conservative movement, if you will. I agree. I mean, there could not have been a clear presentation of the gospel that was given. And literally millions of people heard it. And as I mentioned earlier in the program, I talked to Frank Turek today, and I've known Frank for years. And, I mean, he is so spot on with the gospel. And he goes to college campuses. In fact, he's going to be in my home state of Louisiana this week on a college campus at McNeese. So that was great. And when was the last time we saw that? It had been a long time. But at the same time, as you said, there were some that – It was almost like a political gospel that was spoken. And I was troubled by a few of the speeches that I heard. And I think we got to be very careful that as the gospel, we want the gospel in that arena. We want the gospel impacting government. But we don't want to think that our future, the advancement of the kingdom of God is going to be done by politics. We're going to impact politics, but we don't want politics impacting the gospel and the kingdom.
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Yeah, I mean, on the one hand, Paul celebrated. If anyone preaches the gospel, even if they have bad motives, we do celebrate that and we want it. But at the same time, I think I go back to what spirit was on it. Some of the speeches that came out yesterday were basically we're going to crush our enemies. And I'm glad Erica forgave this guy, but I don't think I can do it. So what is the spirit driving this presentation?
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Well, I think, again, I think, Travis, I think it shows the contrast between the kingdom of God, which is countercultural, which is counterintuitive to the world. And I think we actually saw that on display in the conservative movement yesterday.
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I agree, Tony. Just thinking about this topic as we're having our discussion here today, it strikes me that the politicians, political leaders who are interested in politics are drawn to Charlie Kirk because of his massive following. But the core of the application of his convictions into the political realm led him to conservative positions like many of us hold, but they started with a biblical analysis. They were drawn from biblical principles, principles of transcendent truth. And so That's, you know, we see this interplay, this intersection between faith and politics. But one of those is going to reign supreme on the heart of every person. As we're talking about it today, which one is it? Which one must it be for the believer? It must be the spiritual. It must be the identity in Christ that we have. And then we apply that to politics, as Charlie Kirk did. But we're not living ultimately for politics. We're ultimately answering to a higher power.
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You know, Casey, what encourages me about it is because actually Charlie's journey was that he was a conservative who really grew in his faith. And so as we were confronted with some of these culturally crazy ideas like gender, I mean, that's what there are many in the conservative movement that are coming to faith from that door. And so, but there can be some conflict along the way when some are coming to faith through their politics while others are coming to politics because of their faith.
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Yeah. I mean, when you look at, you study the history of revivals that often are kind of messy and things like, you know, in situations like this is after some kind of pandemic or amid a lot of political chaos and turmoil, or as you said earlier in the show in the sixties, I mean, it's great to look back at the Jesus revival now and I'm due and I'm very grateful for it, but it was, there was kind of controversial at the time. A lot of people opposed it. It was. I think it's part of it, the messiness. I think sometimes we have to be woken up, and the only way God can get the church to wake up and people to wake up out of their spiritual stupor is things to get so shaken up. But we don't like the shaking, but sometimes that's what it takes.
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But through it all, if we want to keep our peace and stay on course, we have to be rooted and grounded in the word. And I think that's what has to be front and center through this is we need to keep the word of God because that will give us a clear path forward. All right. I want to switch gears here, Travis. I want to go back to you because you were down last week. You were in Columbia for a gathering of leaders, governmental leaders and others on the life issue. Tell us quickly about your trip down there and what was the focus.
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Yeah, so Tony, this was the second annual pro-life convention of the Congress of Columbia's pro-life caucus. So if we imagine the leaders in our Congress, the pro-life leaders getting together and holding an event, that's basically what occurred. But the interesting thing was this drew in really the pro-life community of Columbia. So it drew in pastors, activists, folks running pregnancy resource centers and other ministries related to the life issue to convene in the Congress of Columbia, the actual building in the chamber where we held an event. And it featured speeches from the leadership, the pro-life leaders. And these are these are leaders who I've gotten to know over the past year or so when I was there last year, have stayed in touch with and been very encouraging to walk alongside of them as they defend life in Colombia. So I was down there able to do that once again and speak to them, encourage them where they're at at this moment. as they see a United States which is resetting things globally, hopefully for life and family as well. But they face a government in Colombia that is very hostile to these issues. One of the things I learned is that Colombia has introduced a maternal mortality resolution at the UN featuring abortion and LGBT language, right? And that's just some of the stuff we've seen in the past that's just horrible happening at the international stage. Very encouraged to be with the leaders in Columbia. It was a blessing to them. And, you know, I believe it's just exciting to see the Lord using FRC and Family Research Council, what we've been doing here for many years, blessing and serving those overseas who want to do what we're doing but need help and need a helping hand.
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Travis, before I move on, a lot of those pro-abortion, pro-LGBT policies that we see have popped up in Central and South America were planted there by the Biden administration, by the Obama administration, and forced upon them using our foreign aid dollars.
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Oh, yeah, it's absolutely what's been happening. And then in concert with global powers like the UN pushing the 2030 agenda. But, Tony, you know, I know of incidents where the U.S. embassy under Biden pulled, called in Colombian leaders, legislators to lobby them to push an LGBT bill in Colombia. You know, why would the U.S. government be doing that? I mean, we're, like we've seen elsewhere, you know, we're shooting ourselves in the foot diplomatically, but it's tragic. And we're glad that this, the reality that this is happening, has happened, is unearthed now under President Trump, and USAID has gone through a reboot. But it's not just USAID, but it's, it's, it's broader foreign policy. It needs to be cleaned out. The U.S. tax dollars should in no way be going towards that type of thing.
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Yeah, that is certainly something I applaud the Trump administration for doing and dismantling because it's going to take some time for the left to reestablish it with when and if they get in control again. Speaking of the United Nations, Casey, we're talking about earlier in the program that the General Assembly is meeting this week. Today, all of this noise regarding a so-called Palestinian state, as we heard from our guest earlier today, You know, it's a lot of political theater. It's not going to happen because for that to actually happen, it has to go to the Security Council. The United States has the veto ability there. But this is this is designed to create a lot of pressure on Israel, is it not?
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It's created a lot of pressure on the U.S., so by proxy on Israel. I mean, Israel's pretty resolute and defiant at this point on this issue. I think they're not going to cave. But it increases pressure on the U.S., on U.S. leaders. I think a Democrat administration would have folded by now because of this pressure. So you're seeing that. I think a point was well made earlier that we are seeing the new politics of Western nations with vocal Muslim minorities. And I think this is a new reality that's here to stay. And we haven't really grappled with that, but this is the new norm.
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Well, but that's an important point when you talk about immigration, how your politics can shift, because what's happened in Europe with these open borders and migrating Islamic populations that have high fertility rates, you are shifting and these politicians who have no moral core are pandering to those political bases. But, Travis, this will fuel I don't see how it cannot fuel the growing tide of anti-Semitism, not only here in the United States, but around the world.
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No, it will. You know, Tony, the recognition at the UN level of Palestinian state is not totally new. Since the 80s, at least, countries have been recognizing, you know, based on political positioning, they've recognized the Palestinian state. What is new is Western European democracies increasingly recognizing it. And that's what we're seeing in the past week or so. I think France is the most recent. 155 countries now have recognized it. But if you read the Reuters article, and, you know, I'm looking at the opening Reuters report on this right now, reporting on these countries recognizing the move born out of frustration over the Gaza war and intended to promote a two-state solution. That is not a basis to recognize a state, and under international law and long accepted diplomatic norms, states have recognized each other based on criteria, including a population, ability to defend itself, conduct international relations. If we remember the U.S. attempt to recognize Juan Guaido, the Venezuelan opposition leader that eventually kind of fell apart because he didn't have control of the military. So he could not effectively represent Venezuela. He wasn't in control to represent them at the international level. We have to deal with that current regime down there at this moment. So it doesn't even line up. If you look at what's happening, we recognize it as raw political posturing and anti-Israel bias, sadly.
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All right. We just have about a minute and a half left. And so this is my final question. Give each of you 30 seconds on this. Israel will respond. Casey, what do you think Israel will do in response to the political theater of the United Nations this week?
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Gaza City and kill the 3,000 Hamas militants there. I mean, Hamas militants sent a letter to Trump kind of begging for a 60-day ceasefire, and they would release half the hostages. But it was really a sign that taking a Gaza City is a bigger deal. I think it's kind of lost on some maybe American audiences that doesn't know the geography of Gaza. But they're taking a Hamas stronghold right now. And I think once they take that, it's going to shift the table here. So the timing of the show, U.N., Gaza City, all this negotiations right now is very powerful, Tony.
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All right, Travis.
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Yeah, no, Tony, I think they're going to respond in kind, perhaps making a point by declaring sovereignty over Judea and Samaria or doing so and or doing so in furtherance of their own security. So we'll have to wait and see. But I think we'll see a counter move by Israel.
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Both of you are right. I think they'll do both. I think we'll see the intensity of Gaza City understanding that the clock is ticking and they have to move quickly. And I do believe we will see a move to declare sovereignty or the creation of more communities that may divide both east and west in Judea and Samaria so that they cannot have a contiguous so-called Palestinian state. So you're both right. All right, guys, thanks for joining me today.
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Thank you.
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And folks, all the more reason to pray. So much to pray about. And that's part of our mission here with Washington Watch, not only to inform you, to educate you, but to give you prayer points, to be praying for our nation and encourage you that there is hope because our hope is rooted in the eternal word of God. Until next time, I leave you with the encouraging words of the Apostle Paul found in Ephesians chapter six, where he says, when you've done everything that you can do, when you've prayed, when you've prepared, and when you've taken your stand, by all means, keep standing.
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In this episode of Sekulow, we delve into the powerful reflections on Charlie Kirk's memorial service, marking a poignant moment in both national reflection and personal faith. The service, attended by over 100,000 people, featured speakers including President Trump, Elon Musk, and various figures from the religious and political arenas. Amidst the tributes, Erica Kirk’s moving speech about forgiveness resonated deeply, showcasing the profound impact of faith during times of tragedy. The episode examines how such events have the potential to ignite a revival of Christian values and unity among believers while challenging political norms.
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In the face of tragedy, Charlie Kirk's memorial brings unity to America.
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And now your host, Logan Sekula. Welcome to Sekula. We do have a packed show today. My brother Jordan Sekula is in studio. Will Haynes as well. And later on, we're joined by ACLJ Jerusalem head Jeff Balaban. As we know, there was some big moves out of Canada, Australia, and UK as a recognized Palestinian statehood. Now, what that means, how much of that is a show, we're going to talk about that because a lot of it is. A lot of it is a if-a show. will they could they and when it really looks at what would have to get to happen to get there at this moment it's almost impossible now that being said we are going to kick things off talking about the charlie kirk memorial which as a lot of you i'm sure did spent most of your day yesterday watching this six seven hour long memorial service that started um noon central time i believe it was something we started watching all day and i feel like i watched it well into the evening um you know, over, I think there's about a hundred thousand people showed up for this. I know plenty of friends that went out and friends, some that were connected and then some that were just fans that were just wanting to show their support and be there in the room, uh, to be there for, a turning point for the Kirk family, for all of this, and to see this pretty incredible lineup of speakers that went all the way from President Trump to Tucker Carlson to a lot of heavy hitters. And then some interesting picks, including some pastoral picks. I have to say, as someone who's involved in the Christian music industry quite a bit, I got to give it up. And I think if you're a Christian music fan, you got to give it up to people like Brandon Lake, Chris Tomlin, Phil Wickham. That's what I texted you about. Yeah, because... Brandon Lake, in some ways, personally, if he's a selfish man, which I'm not saying he is, I'm saying he's not at this point, there's no upside, really, to him doing this. The man is selling out arenas, almost stadiums nationwide right now, bigger than he's ever been, nominated for awards well beyond even Christian awards, and decides to show up, lead worship in a traditional way, and to stick around for what looked like to be the entire event. Huge respect. For those Christian music artists, because look, even within the industry itself, I will tell you, it is not easy to do anything that could be quote unquote labeled political. And of course, with Charlie Kirk, it's in the cast of characters that were going to be at this memorial. Of course, it was going to feel that way. And then one of the big moments we got to talk about, I think this is one that we talked about last week on the show. which was, could this bring Elon Musk and President Trump back together? Because it's desperately needed. And look, it may have been short and sweet, but it sounds like we're headed in the right direction. We at least got the photo op. And the White House released that photo. So, like, officially released that photo. They put Elon X... Trump or something like that.
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And this is obviously we're showing on the screen the post from Elon that says for Charlie with the two of them together.
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And we talked about Logan for long term for conservative politics and Republican Party really bringing in young people. Elon Musk is the richest person in the world. We are outdone on the right by billionaires on the left. And Elon Musk was kind of our... It was finally. And then you had the Peter Thiel's and others come along with him. And then they had the kind of... They were almost too close, I think, is what happened. And I will say, I'm not going to divulge any details of things that people have been told me, but I know people... and I'm sure Charlie Kirk, I think they even were talking about Charlie Kirk, I'm not 100%, but have been working on rebuilding this relationship in a way that is workable, which means probably not living together and not being the number, you know, the deputy chief of staff at the White House every day, but still having the backing of Elon Musk and... the wealthiest person in the world, especially when you go into midterm elections. And you need the money to run those get-out-the-vote efforts, which, turning point, that's what they do.
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Money and just carries a lot of clout and a lot of weight to his name, regardless of what people want to think about Elon Musk, my son, who's 13. Like, breathe the sigh of relief when he saw the picture of President Trump and Elon back together. Because he loved that Elon was involved. He loved that Elon was involved more than anyone else. Because he looks at him as a genius.
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Yeah, my son is almost six and he still is like, can we get the Cybertruck?
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Yeah, he wants the Cybertruck and the rockets.
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For a while I was nervous about having the Cybertruck in the front yard because of the, you know, the...
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Yeah, people were going after him. All right, hey, phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. We'd love to hear from you. We're also going to give you an update on ACLJ case coming up. But again, 1-800-684-3110. Call us right now. Welcome back to Secula. We will be taking your calls. I'm sure a lot of you watched the Charlie Clark Memorial that ran most of the day yesterday from Glendale, Arizona. Will and I have been to that stadium before. I don't think the visuals really could do it justice of how big this stadium really was.
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As well as they had overflow in the basketball arena where the Phoenix Suns play, which is across the street.
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25,000 people.
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It's like an outdoor mall, eating, shopping area where you can go and you can go to a Cardinals game if you're going to that stadium and have stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, they think there were around 200,000 people. From people I heard, like from Uber drivers and my friends who were there, who were going in, they said it was three times as much traffic as the last three Super Bowls they've worked in Glendale.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and they've said it was almost 100,000, but I think that's what they could contain. I think 100,000 is what they could hold.
SPEAKER 06 :
At the stadium. The stadium and the arena combined were around 100,000. And then there were like another 100,000 people around.
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And of course the highlight, I'd say, and that's a weird way of putting it, but the most amazing moment was obviously Erica Kirk coming out right before President Trump. and making just a remarkable speech. And again, you heard the name of Jesus more, I believe in that service, that six hours, than maybe you've heard your church in the last few years. I mean, it was pretty overwhelming. That was the mass majority of the speakers, even the ones you wouldn't think of. were making a lot of references to Charlie's faith. And look, I have someone who, again, I knew of Charlie. We share a lot of the same networks and all that. I was not even aware of how much that played into his content over the last handful of years. Because when I saw him, he was more... At the CPAC world, at the turning point world.
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A teenager, you know. And starting out. And I think he probably... they would admit that too is he was started out more in the political world and then as he got older he got more comfortable talking about yes i mean i will say that i've learned that more about him since his passing and let me tell you when you have children that does change um you know talking about faith becomes a lot easier a lot easier too especially when you do the jobs that we do
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Yeah, and look, they just showed Brandon Lake again. Like I said, he was an actual Christian music fan, Charlie Kirk. He talked about Forrest Frank. He talked about these people very publicly. So I think a lot of the industry, though they typically would stay apolitical, and I still believe that this is staying apolitical, by the way, but I know for a lot of people it's not.
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Yes, I don't think that happens.
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No. They just did it because they knew he was kind of one of us with that. Now, I do want to play some clips, Will. I want to set this up. This was Erica Kirk. Obviously comes out a recent widow. We've now heard, by the way, in very graphic details from a few of these speakers.
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about that moment that day I mean more so than I thought we were going to at a memorial service now somewhat that brings it to reality and that's even true for her that's right and this I think was the powerful moment I think this is what when she gave her first response that live speech that she gave in the wake right in the wake of of her husband's assassination, there was a lot of questions like, what does someone who's just experienced this even say? Well, this is a moment I think a lot of people were curious. How are you in the grieving process? Where are you? You're being put in the public eye so heavily right now. And how are you balancing your emotions and all the things that you're dealing with? And I feel like this moment was just so powerful. because it's a testament to her faith, to the faith of her husband, and in really using her platform to showcase to the world what a faith really means if you have faith in Christ. And so I want to play this. This is Bite Two from Erica Kirk at the memorial service yesterday.
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My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life. That young man on the cross, our Savior said, Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. That man said, I forgive him.
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the moment that I think everyone will remember from this service whether that was all the other speakers President Trump J.D. Vance Tulsi Gabbard all of these top names but that moment alone really will be the moment that we all remember that will be the moment I believe the clip that will be played probably for the rest of our lives when you think about moments in history when you when your kids learn about this political assassination in school that will be one of the clips that they play
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Yes, and I want to say this. From the Christian ethos, being able to forgive your persecutors, that is the ultimate commandment, one of the ultimate commandments by Christ, is that you are going to be persecuted and you pray for those who persecute you, that they come to him. We know that Saul, Paul, how many times did we hear that story of Saul becoming Paul who wrote so much in the New Testament that we're allowed. He was a persecutor. of christians and the second part of that i think that has to be clear to people when when a christian and this is just to those of you maybe who are not as familiar or just are still not at the point yet to where you could even utter those words yourself or would have trouble in your if you were imagining in your own situation that doesn't mean we're absolving them of justice in this world And neither does Christ, neither does the New Testament. You still face worldly justice for your evil acts. And this one was evil. This was murder. This was assassination. But that still means, and we have to as Christians understand that so long as he is alive, he has an opportunity to ask for that forgiveness. Now, only... but if that were to occur even he said it occurred only only Jesus and he will know if that is real but I think for her to do that one was a way to move forward and to say you know he's going to be tried they're going to look at all those groups let the let the law enforcement do their job if he faces you know the death penalty he faces the death penalty that's not on her hands right
SPEAKER 05 :
President Trump almost got there. He almost said the death penalty kind of line in the speech. He said, you know, to the fullest extent, whatever it may be. Yeah. But I mean, without saying it, without saying those words, I do think you come off of that. Maybe he was, it was like, here's what I say about President Trump.
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You never know what's going to happen in a trial about someone's insanity and things like that. And,
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With President Trump, you've got to say this. I'm not sure there's a lot of debate whether his speech was fully appropriate, inappropriate, because it did go occasionally into the promoting of a press conference tomorrow. Those kind of off-the-cuff kind of moments. For the majority of it, though, if we're going to judge it on a grand scale of President Trump's speeches, it was one of the better on-track ones. Yes. Where it didn't go off the rails completely into a political rally. No.
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And you know if you're inviting President Trump to speak, even at something like this, you're going to get both seriousness and some humor. And Don Jr. You're getting him. Yeah, and Don Jr. I think did a great job of mixing humor and really some serious moments. My favorite comment outside of Erica's, which I think almost everything she said you could go through, was what J.D. Vance said. I mean, because I think so many of us in politics, even in the faith world in politics, because we're so used to the language of it. When J.D. Vance said this, it was so powerful. I mean, it's just something that still rings in my ear today. It was what I woke up thinking about him saying. And I was like, well, you know, I wonder how many more of us should be doing this, too. Even me, like maybe I need to be doing this more. And I feel like I do a lot when I'm talking to my kids, but am I doing a lot when I, you know, even in this world that we're in where we kind of take it for granted sometimes that everyone we work around kind of shares our core beliefs and faith. Take a listen to this, the Vice President of the United States, J.D. Vance on his personal faith in the last two weeks.
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talking about my faith in public as much as I loved the Lord and as much as it was an important part of my life. I have talked more about Jesus Christ in the past two weeks than I have my entire time in public life. And that is an undeniable legacy of the great Charlie Kirk. You know, he loved God. And because he loved God, he wanted to understand God's creation and the men and women made in his image.
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So, I mean, right there, the idea... That in the last two weeks, and what I think even J.D. Vance was talking about, he's talked about it more, but so have so many other people, and that is not what the left was expecting, I think, from this whole event. I think they thought it was going to be a giant MAGA rally, and instead it was a mix of freedom of speech and faith. Freedom of speech, which means... Like Erica Kirk said, he was trying to help people that he thought were lost. And that's why he wanted them to be able to speak at those events. But the fact is that people are admitting, they're saying... My faith has become more real to me and more important to me in the last two weeks than it has my entire life.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. But sadly, that is not how it's being spun 100%. Of course not. Because a lot of us woke up this morning expecting that. And of course, got a very different point of view coming from the more left side of the media world. We're going to talk about that when it comes back. I do want to hear from you. Phone lines are completely open right now. I'll tell you that right now. We got six lines open. Why don't you call? Give us a call. Let me know your thoughts. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. We saw all of this. And, of course, the ACLJ is still out there fighting each and every day in the courtroom and here in the media. We want you to be involved in that as well. We're going to break down more how the ACLJ is getting involved in the next segment and, again, how you can support the work. That's at ACLJ.org. We'll find all of our incredible content available without a paywall for free right now. We'll be right back with more on Cyclo. Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are lightened up. Give us some time. We'll try to get all of you guys screened. We'll take some of those calls coming up in this segment and again later in the broadcast. And later on in the second half hour, we're also going to be joined by Jeff Balaban of ACLJ Jerusalem. As we know, there was some breaking news coming out of the UK, out of Canada. This is leading into the UN General Assembly. Assembly, which of course is being held on a Jewish High Holy Day, so they cannot necessarily attend. Yeah. This is a crazy moment here. Of course, they are saying, hey, we are, what's the official words for Palestinian statehood? Recognizing. Recognizing Palestinian statehood. But of course, it comes with a lot of caveats, including, well, it can't be Hamas control. There has to be this. So you're talking about kind of on paper only. We're going to discuss that with Jeff coming up. And we are going to take your calls again at 1-800-684-3110. Before we move on to the ACLJ topic, I do want to quickly take a call. Elizabeth's in New Hampshire. She's an ACLJ champion. That's someone that gives on a monthly basis. I try to get you guys up as quick as possible. This is about the Charlie Kirk Memorial. So let's go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hi.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, Elizabeth, go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
I just wanted to say that in our church, we've been praying for an open door Bible church. We've been praying for a massive radical revival. And yesterday, all my brothers in Christ, it was such a miracle to see thousands of people coming to know the Lord and And to have each one of us say in our relationship, how can we make a difference? And I got to tell you, after I listened to Erica yesterday and then today, I'm in the process of going through a divorce with a one-year restraining order. And you know what I'm convicted of? I'm convicted that I wasn't the wife that the Lord designed me to be. So I just wanted to say thank you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Elizabeth, that's for you and God and you've decided that kind of thing. We're not going to comment on that. Well, I will say first, thank you for being a champion. I appreciate that. That's something that gives monthly. Appreciate it. Number two, I think a lot of people felt convicted watching that whole thing yesterday. And look, I believe the revival is here. You're right. It's not on the way. It's here. And if you don't speak up now, when are you going to? When are you going to feel that push and that passion to go? Am I doing enough? What could I be doing more? What is, look, also the question of what is God calling you to do? Not everyone is called to be Charlie Kirk. No. I'd say 99.9% of people are not. So what can you do in your local community? What can you do by the way you spend your money, by the way you donate, with what you do with your family life? It doesn't always have to be this. It can be small, it can be big, and small can become huge. Yeah, one of my friends said, you don't have to start Turning Point. You don't have to go start the ACLJ. just you can go be a part of it. You can donate. You can just, or you volunteer your time. There are things that you can do. God doesn't always call you to start a business.
SPEAKER 06 :
Can I say this? One of our good friends, he's been on the broadcast. He's a broadcaster too. And he was there with Senator Cruz, who he works with, Ben Ferguson. And he was on Fox News. And I was texting with him. And we're very close from each other's weddings. We've known each other forever. And The words that he used in his text and the way that we would talk to each other, it would not be normal for Jordan and Ben Ferguson to be texting about revival in America. And I will say, I text him and I asked him about how it felt. I had another good friend there who used to work with us at ACLJ, who's still a good friend. And both, without me prompting, by the way, no prompting of the word, Both wrote back, revival's here. These are not guys who would say that. These are not charismatic to the point where they would just throw out that word regularly. They felt something there that they've been feeling since, I think, obviously going over the shock. Because as you said, Logan, it wasn't about turning everybody conservative and going to vote Republican. Did you realize that yesterday? Even some of the most conservative speakers there, you know, Tulsi Gabbard used to be with us. I texted her after and I thought her remarks just on free speech and his faith. It wasn't you need to go vote this way. It was he brought in people like Robert Kennedy. Look at the crowd. Would you think someone from the Larry David show? would be on the front row applauding the messages from the Hollywood world. And she's taken a lot of criticism, I know, from that. But still, that was Charlie Kirk. He was bringing people together in a broader coalition than some people on the conservative world may have been comfortable with. Yeah, for sure. And probably RFK was one of the most controversial who's come in. And again... His speech, too, and you think about how much he's been through. How many assassinations of his uncle, his father, while holding his hand, and then having to speak there yesterday. Anybody who tries to criticize anything about his response, I can't even imagine continuing to go through that and still being in public life.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and I think when you get back to what you were alluding to at the end of last segment, Logan, and people that see this, one, don't know how to respond if you are – of a different political persuasion if you don't have faith if you don't understand faith because the left's hot take right now on social media and many places are comparing that to a nazi rally and saying that uh stephen miller is joseph gerbils that this is a grand propaganda machine trying to take control of the country and hijacking a martyr exactly no violence no violence
SPEAKER 06 :
forgiving an assassin, 100,000 plus people gather, who could be very angry, and righteous anger, fine, but no violence. No issues, lots of security, no problems.
SPEAKER 08 :
And to that point, Jordan, as well, is that if you actually hear the messages of people from across the board, whether it be broadcasters, friends, pastors, and Erica Kirk herself, the message of forgiveness, the message of being strong in your faith, and even Marco Rubio talking about salvation in a way that, one, you never hear from a public official, but wasn't a trite political message. It was speaking from the heart. That is why people that do understand faith or feel convicted by that, I think there will be a big, powerful change. But I think the left... And people that are against that. They've just made up their mind.
SPEAKER 06 :
If Donald Trump is at an event, it's a bad event. And that means it's bad people that went to the event. And you know what? I don't know. Charlie Kirk would say we could try to convince more of those people. There are some talking heads I think you could have conversations about that were fair. But for the most part, the left, so long as it's Donald Trump there...
SPEAKER 05 :
that's just it I mean right does it take any more than they're just going to easily jump to it I also think they didn't watch it even if they did they probably saw selective clips and I'm sure there are moments that you know Donald Trump's like she's forgiven I'm not forgiven you know those kind of things which look out of context out of context not the best moments but you know what they are being honest they're being true to themselves in some ways I don't agree with them can I say what Donald Trump was really saying there very quickly
SPEAKER 06 :
She was saying Charlie Kirk didn't demonize or hate his political opponents. He was talking to 20-year-olds that he was trying to save, as she said. Donald Trump is talking about adult members of Congress that are trying to impeach him or put him in prison.
SPEAKER 05 :
That is, I think they are talking about two different people. We've got a full bank of calls right now. Actually, one just opened up at 1-800-684-3110. We also have a second half hour coming up. This half hour we spent on Charlie Kirkman Memorial. I know a lot of the calls are about that, so we're going to try to get some of those in the next segment. And then we'll be joined by Jeff Balabana, ACLJ Jerusalem, because there is important news coming out of that world. And again, we'll take more calls and comments and an update on some of the ACLJ work coming up. But I know this is dominating right now. People want to talk about it. So I'm going to let you all talk as much as we can. When we get back, we're going to go through more of that. If you don't get us on your local station, find us on ACLJ.org or later on, however you get your podcasts.
SPEAKER 07 :
keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 05 :
Welcome to Sekulow. We do have a second half hour coming up. Thanks for joining us. Phone lines are completely jammed right now. I'm going to jump to a call quickly. A lot of your calls are calling about the Charlie Kirk Memorial. I'm going to do that so we can hopefully open up some lines. But also because the next segment, we're going to be joined by Jeff Balaban, ACLJ Jerusalem. And I want to give you an update of what's going on in Israel, what's going on with the... I'm sure some of you saw the statements coming out where the statehood of Palestine was kind of approved by... the UK, by Canada, and others, but when you really look at it, is it just something that's on paper? I would say yes. Let's go ahead and take some phone calls. Let's go to Martin first, who's the ACLJ champion. Martin of North Carolina, go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Can you hear me? We can. Go ahead, Martin.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. With no politics in there, I like what all three of y'all had said. I'm going to leave all politics out of this. Charlie Kirk was doing exactly what every individual in the body of Christ is supposed to do and witness to people. No, Jordan, we are not called to do all the same things that are higher levels and things, but we're all supposed to witness to people. And as going through that, we're going to face persecutions. You look at the disciples, you look at Stephen, the first deacon, he was stoned for his beliefs and did say, Father, forgive them. All these things. So when Erica Kirk said what she said, she was absolutely right. This is going to, I pray, unleash a revival like we haven't seen since the 60s with the Jesus Revolution and everything like that so that we can move ahead because we are with what you were just talking about. in a spiritual warfare. And it's going to get worse. The Bible tells us that. We just have to stand on the Word of God and be bold, as all three of you said, in everybody. I did not see the memorial.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that's why we're doing this show today. You know, everybody does not have seven hours. And sometimes when you see clips, they're out of context, depending on where you get your news or if you had time to watch this show or that show. Or, you know, you might have been busy yesterday and went right to work today. And so we're trying to put it to you in the context of honesty and I think how you would have viewed it. If you were sitting there next to us. And I think you're right, exactly what you said. We know at the ACLJ, since the founding of our organization, spiritual warfare is part of all of these battles. I mean, when you're up against those who want to kill children in the womb. And then they're starting to have discussions about, well, Charlie Kirk had one of these discussions once because the reasoning was getting to the point of, well, what if a parent said their kid wanted to be a pirate and they wanted their leg off? And then, you know, these kids have been in these philosophy classes and they'd start saying, well, you know, they need to debate it seriously. But if the child really, really felt like that was their, who they were, you know, that they should have a peg leg and maybe even take an eye out to have a pet. I mean... And those were the kind of kids he was trying to save, to say, this is what you have been taught, or at least where your mind has been gone. Let's get involved now before you're lost. No one's ever fully lost, but the further you let people go down trails, the harder it is. And you know what you also have to be is a good example. I think that was another part of this message is that we all have to be good examples because you never know who's watching and when they're watching. And that doesn't mean any of us are far from perfect, but you try.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and I think, Jordan, as you mentioned there, is that when those that don't understand even the mission of what Charlie Kirk was trying to do, the only thing they can do is react to it in a visceral way and try to label it as something evil because there is that spiritual struggle. When you can't accept that, when your heart is hardened against the truth, then you try to find any way you can to push back at it. And so that's why we're seeing the heightened rhetoric still. The left has not learned their lesson. They're calling that a Nazi rally. It's shocking, but that is the state of the world we're in. And that is why truth must be spoken.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, coming up, headed over to ACLJ Jerusalem with Jeff Balaban. If you're on hold right now, we have a full bank of calls right now. Stay on hold. I will do my absolute best to get to you. It'll be in the last segment of the show, which is just a few minutes away. So next up, we're going to ACLJ Jerusalem, and then we're going to take all the calls we can. Stay on hold. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. We're actually going to go to ACLJ Jerusalem in the next segment. Jeff got caught up, so we're going to take a lot of calls right now. So I'm glad you stayed on hold. We're going to get to it. Let's go to Kevin first, who's an ACLJ champion. Kevin, go ahead in California.
SPEAKER 10 :
Good morning. Who among us on the reasonable right, the quiet majority of people who elected Donald Trump to do the good business of America believe, or is surprised by the fact that we're now being hailed as Nazis, as some sort of Nazi rally. The point is this, we should not be surprised by unreasonable people's reactions to reasonable solution. And as a result, unless and until we come in hard against these people who are violent, tearing down this country, people who need to have consequences for their actions, nothing's going to change.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I think here's the thing, Kevin, and why we have the best chance of changing this in our history when you're talking about left-wing political violence. There's never been an administration more dedicated to using federal resources to also pressure states, because sometimes it's the state's role, to... Make sure, one, the federal looks at whether there's networks, interstate, that brings in federal laws. And then, of course, you need good DAs. We know that there have been a lot of bad DAs put in place by left-wing organizations who don't want to prosecute these kind of Antifa-ish crimes. They just say, oh, they're not really organized, even though they are. Oh, the pallets of bricks, no one actually organized that. Someone just randomly, there were just bricks there. never before i mean uh have we had an administration more dedicated to routing out this violence here's what they need from you they are mocked when they talk about it cash patel is mocked when he talks about stephen miller is called a nazi and he's jewish And they call him Goebbels. Goebbels likely, because of our family and I'm sure with Stephen's family, killed many of his relatives. And so he has a lot less family because of people like Goebbels. And so to be called that, disgusting, but that's the left. That speech, that's different. They are dedicated. President Trump said it, Pam Bondi has said it, Kristi Noem has said it, Tulsi Gabbard has said it, to going after the actual violent actors. We don't go after speech. We go after violent actors and those who want to cause actual chaos that could include either property damage or the loss of life. I mean, we had a thing in New Hampshire where, you know, guys running it and we're not even barely, that's barely in the news now. And he screamed free Palestine and killed someone. At a New Hampshire country club.
SPEAKER 05 :
Last night? I haven't made any news. I believe it was Saturday night. Was it Saturday night? Saturday night at a wedding. I texted Will. Will's like, hey, all the headlines I see don't say that. And I'm like, look. And if you really look, someone walked into a wedding at a country club, essentially just said, made a statement of free Palestine and murdered someone in the middle of a wedding, during the first dance of a wedding. That doesn't even get a pop on the news.
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
I only saw it because I'm pretty connected to that world.
SPEAKER 06 :
What I want to say though is that of all administrations we've ever had, There's never been one more committed to going after these networks. You need to support them. Now, here's a couple things you got to remember. They've only got a handful of years. And number two, you can extend those years. So we can talk about that later on. But remember, to really go after these networks is not going to be a day. And there's going to be a lot of criticism because they're going to say, oh, you're going after political enemies. These are not political enemies. These are not people who, it's not speech. These are people who are carrying out, organizing, or funding actual violence.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, let's move on. We got a lot of calls to get to. Let's see if we can get to more. Let's go, let's just go in order. Let's go to Alana who's calling in on line five in Washington. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hi, I just wanted to make a comment about, you know, God doing all things for our good, and I know that we're going to miss Charlie Kirk, but he was here for a time and place, and I don't think that we would be seeing the kind of response that we would be seeing right now with everybody around the world coming together with vigils. People that were lukewarm Christians are on the fence, you know, turning to God, and I've been seeing things like You know, people questioning their life choices, their lifestyle. And I don't think that we would be seeing the separation of the chaff and the wheat if it weren't for the death of Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Alana, I think one thing that we're also seeing is people, when they see that, that celebration of life, when you have a true faith and you know what comes after, Christian funerals can be a celebration of life and of hope for those. Usually they'll see it in an assassination. Right. Exactly. But I think that is what is true. That is what is different and why a lot of people may not know how to process what they saw because his faith was so strong. His wife knows where her husband is that yes, there is a heaviness, a sadness, but people couldn't process why there was joy and hope. after such a horrific thing and the only answer to that is rooted in the gospel and i think that's why that was on full display and people got to see that maybe for the first time we have our human sadness i mean i i still i'll always be sad for his children
SPEAKER 06 :
I'll always be sad for her and for the team that he built and for the kids. It was a 31 year old. And that's, that's, that's, that's my human, my, my spiritual and eternal. So not just human, but my eternal faith, uh, knows that this is not the end of his, was not the end of his life. And it's not the end of Charlie Kirk. And, and, and so for, like you said, well, for people who don't haven't gotten even maybe that deep into their faith where they kind of will, uh, come to terms with those two things can be difficult. I mean, that's why they said, I think, was it Eric who said, you've got to, yeah, nurture them because these are some of these concepts. It can be easy to say, I accept Christ. I now am forgiven for my sins. I'm going to be better and I get to go to heaven and live forever. That's easier than accepting when someone that you love passes away and they're gone from your human life and then understand. You know what I mean? That's what she said is you got to help people.
SPEAKER 05 :
I want to continue on. There's a call coming in. Susan in Maryland who's watching on YouTube. Susan, go ahead. This will lead a little bit into our conversation in the next segment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, thank you. The world seems to acknowledge Charlie Kirk was a civilian assassination for religious and political point of view. However, 907 civilian Israelis were assassinated on October 7th from religious and political points of view. And the U.N. seems to want to validate their 907 assassinations. It seems a bit like the Book of Revelations when it talks about the two witnesses together. that we're totally innocent witnesses that are put to death and the world rejoices. And it seems like this is the stage setting for that type of...
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Susan, in the next segment, I want you to stay tuned. We're going to be joined by Jeff Balaban from ACLJ Jerusalem, and we're going to break all of that down. I wanted to take your call to honestly hold on answering it, because I think looking at what you're saying, which is we are forgetting what happened October 7th, just a couple years ago, and how quickly the world turned. And I said the same would happen with Charlie Kirk, and by the way, it did, which was it went from about 24, 48 hours of everyone saying, unifying, we are all together, to then- You see what happened with Jimmy Kimmel Live. You see what happens to a lot of these people where they get thrown off the air because of the things they're saying. You see how many people on MSNBC and on ABC News have been fired, let go, or suspended. This is what happens when the rhetoric gets out of hand and all of a sudden it's justifiable. We're going to talk about that because it happened to the Jewish people, it happened to the Israeli people, and it's still happening to them. While there was swift and definitive action taken for a lot. And now look, I believe Jimmy Kimmel will be back on the air into the week. I really do. I think that there's a very, very good chance. As long as he, if he wants to, he may not want to, and that's going to be a different situation. But if he's willing to do it, I think they're willing to, they're going to bow down to the pressure that's happening right now. Um, so right now I encourage you, uh, to listen to what Jeff Balaban from ACLJ Jerusalem has to say, because we have a lot of updates in Israel. Israel gets forgotten in a lot of this. I want to make sure that it isn't. I want to make sure that we are still talking about it, that it's still on the tip of the tongue of everybody within our movement, because it's incredibly important, especially this week. It's a Jewish New Year starting tonight. So you got to think about that. That is a moment.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the UN General Assembly, which is the, I think, number one week of attacking Israel in the world.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. So look, phone lines are open, but we're going to only take a few calls coming up in the next segment. We will try to get to you, the three of you that are on hold right now. I can make no guarantees, but I will do my best. But Chuck, Melissa, and Michael, if you want to stay on hold, I will do whatever I can to get to you coming up during the next segment. If Jeff goes a little short, we'll do it. If not, unfortunately, we may not be able to get to you, but you can stay on hold if you'd like. I want you to support the work of the ACLJ. It's an easy time to be thinking about anything else. But right now, our work is still going strong. We weren't even able to get into the real work of the ACLJ today because we know how much so much of you want to talk about this. All over the country, all over the world. And that's where we join next by Jeff Balaban, who runs ACLJ Jerusalem. Why it's important now. Why? When conspiracies start flying around, when Israel always becomes the target. it's important for us to be there, standing strong. And I hope you're there with us. Let me know in the chat. Are you still standing strong with Israel? How do you feel? Love to hear from you. Jeff Balaban, as I said, is going to be joining us. You can go to ACLJ.org and support the work of the ACLJ. But also, if you're brand new, hit that subscribe button if you're watching on YouTube. That does a lot as well. We'll be right back with more on Secula. Welcome back to Sekulow. We are now joined by head of ACLJ Jerusalem, Jeff Balaban. Jeff, there was obviously a lot going on this weekend, but a lot happened in terms of Israel. And of course, we are heading into Rosh Hashanah tonight, so an early Shana Tova to you. But this is an interesting time when you have Canada, the UK, and who else was it? You have Australia and France and Portugal. making the statement, declaring, you know, their support of a Palestinian state. Now, really, when you look at what Stammer and some of these others did in the UK, I started to read on what the terms would be to get to that point. And we are nowhere near it. And it feels like this is a, you know, it has no teeth, if you will. It's a big statement. It's a statement we all need to be very, very concerned about. But it also is a statement that is completely unrealistic in 2025 where we are right now.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, and honestly, there is no possibility of this being a state. It lacks everything you need to make a state, including, by the way, lacking in actual people, as there never has been such a thing as a Palestinian people or nation. It's an ideology. It's essentially an anti-Semitic death cult ideology created to destroy israel sometime in the middle of the 20th century so there's no indigenous people besides the jews living in that land right now and what they're doing is they're just adding fuel to the narrative fire that they've been really drum beating since after israel responded to the hostage taking and the brutal attacks of october 7th all this is pure reward to the pure evil of those who want to eradicate israel and the jews And is it because of domestic politics? It looks that way. I mean, those countries have been overwhelmed by immigrants who want to see Israel destroyed, and they're very afraid of their own immigrants. But in terms of the process, you know, they use words like peace process and express concern for Israel. Absolute nonsense. Israel across the board. except for the most, most extreme, extreme radical, Israel across the board has come out publicly now for quite a while that there will be no Palestinian state. They tried. They tried to give up their own territory, Jewish territory, and all they got was rockets and missiles and bombs and murders, and then October 7th. It will not happen again.
SPEAKER 08 :
Jeff, when you look at the statements from the Prime Minister of England, and also we know that this is just going to make the UN General Assembly even worse than it normally is for Israel. Now that we have this, I feel like the rhetoric is going to be much more heightened. But here are some concerns I have, because the Prime Minister of England wrote in a letter to Mahmoud Abbas saying, that the United Kingdom looks forward to a new era of friendship and cooperation between the British and Palestinian peoples. Our foreign secretary will write to your foreign minister to take forward the process of establishing full diplomatic relations. So one, already elevating and giving the Palestinian Authority, which is a terrorist organization in and of itself, more credibility on the world stage. But then, In his statement, he also said, this solution is not a reward for Hamas because it means Hamas can have no future, no role in government and no role in security. Meanwhile, we have a spokesperson for Hamas, senior Hamas officials say, Any step to strengthen the legitimate Palestinian rights foremost and among them the fully sovereign Palestinian state with its capital in Jerusalem and the right to self-determination is a welcome step. So Hamas is praising the UK's prime minister, even though he's trying to say it's no reward for Hamas. We know what this is.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I don't believe for a second that Starmer is so completely clueless, so completely witless to believe that anyone other than Hamas or those to the right of Hamas would be in power. In Palestinian society, it's a race to see who can kill more Jews. That's the entire existence. There's never been any evidence of a desire for peace, for coexistence. They were created as a way to commit genocide, and that's the entirety of the existence. This nonsense of talking about a state when there's no equipment for a state and there's no desire for a state, there's only desire for complete domination. Listen, I'll say, we're talking about Rosh Hashanah this month. It's starting tonight. It's already started in Israel. It is the day that Jews believe that all the world is judged, not just us as individuals and not just the Jewish people, but all the world, all of humanity is judged. And I think it's... It's very clear to me that the fact that there are certain nations that want to go on record right now, they will be judged for what they're saying right now, and it will not go well for them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jeff, one thing I did want to say, because though some of this seems just absurd, one to do it on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, to do it when there's ongoing conflict, when there is no clear leadership, as you said, even if you wanted to look at, you know, this one of these letters is addressed to Mahmoud Abbas. He has no authority at all in the Gaza Strip. In fact, his guys in the Gaza Strip were all killed by Hamas. So let's remind people of that. That's not reminded in these letters. But the second is this, though most of this is nasty and thankfully we have the Trump administration at the UN Security Council who can veto any kind of move to accept Palestine as a state to the United Nations. These countries now will likely move what they probably have missions already to embassy status. And these are some of the major players in Europe who are going to be doing that. So it does come with benefits to Mahmoud Abbas and those who, I guess, fly the Palestinian cause and act as if Hamas is not half of it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, hopefully, Israel, with America's backing, can create consequences for that. Because it's everything you're saying, Jordan, plus it creates facts where it enables these corrupt thugs who run the Palestinian Authority, who are terrorists, to use the UN, which has been bankrolling their terrorism and involved in their terrorism, to then go after Israel in international legal fora. And it creates, which is exactly where we at ACLJ is one of the places we fight back against this, because they're trying to create the idea that the Palestinians should have the right to criminalize Israel just for existing. And that's one of the things we fight about at the UN, at the International Criminal Court, at the Court of Justice. And so this is another way for them to give teeth to what's been nonsense, which is a terror organization not recognized as a state. Honestly, it pushes... closer to a conclusion, a clash between the United States standing with Israel and these other countries that have completely collapsed.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Jeff, we know that these terrorists in Hamas and others, they love to attack Israel and the Jewish people around Jewish holidays to make a statement. And it's actually quite shocking that these countries are taking a play out of the Hamas playbook by doing this diplomatic attack right around the start of the Jewish High Holy Days.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I will tell you, just, you know, this is not evidence of anything other than anecdotally. It is definitely the case that in Jerusalem, you hear more and more, not just in Jerusalem, but around Israel, more and more about whole communities picking up and departing these European countries, about masses of Jews trying to get out of Australia, feeling that those countries are no longer going to be safe for the Jews. And by the way, That is always the leading indicator when they become unsafe for Christians. It's the leading indicator when it becomes unsafe for humanity. And it's already happening.
SPEAKER 05 :
said earlier that you know a wedding happened over the weekend in new hampshire shooter came in uh murdered someone and all they said was free palestine and that was something that was barely reported uh in the media today because we just simply of all the things sadly it's becoming a little bit too commonplace that always what's happens what happens with all of these kind of sort of domestic issues when they become commonplace we become peace in israel over these holidays Yep. For real. It'll be an interesting few days.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'm not just in the idea. And pray for the Jewish people all over the world as they celebrate at their places of worship, where they gather, because we know the evildoers, they love to attack on these days. It's historic. You can see it in history. And unfortunately, like you said, these countries have bought right into it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but we're going to get back to the work of the ACLJ also tomorrow, so make sure you stay tuned. We'll be back tomorrow. Again, go to ACLJ.org. Be a part of the team today. We'll talk to you tomorrow.
In this episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush welcomes Larry Barron from Power of the Future to discuss the intricate web of politics and energy. With California's governor Gavin Newsom signing a significant number of climate bills while surprisingly expanding oil production, the conversation delves into the motivations behind such seemingly contradictory actions. Listeners are invited to explore the implications of these decisions on California's economy and Newsom's political aspirations. As gas prices threaten to skyrocket in California, impacting not only residents but also potential electoral outcomes, the dialogue shifts to considering the broader effects of these energy choices. With John and Larry examining whether Newsom's actions are mere political soundbites or strategic maneuvers, the discussion invites the audience to consider the long-term consequences of political gamesmanship in energy policy. Join the journey through the tangled politics of energy, from refineries shutting down to the lingering issue of California's isolated energy infrastructure. This episode sheds light on how current decisions might reshape the landscape for Californians and the nation's energy sector.
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SPEAKER 15 :
Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Welcome back. Larry Barron's joining us now. Power of the Future. Larry, welcome back. How are you?
SPEAKER 13 :
I'm great. Hope everyone's doing well on your end as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
We are. It's always a joy to have you, although talk to us about Gavin Newsom, who we all know he has spent years and years and years demonizing gas, oil, all of that. Is he changing course, or is he just doing this because he has to?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes and yes, to answer your question. It is a different course that I think you and the environmental community are getting worked up about, but you are correct to ask that question of, is he just doing it for political reasons? And that is absolutely true. So what has happened is in a slew of climate bills, he tried to cover his tracks, but one of the bills he signed to expand oil production in California up to 2,000 permits per year for the next 10 years. And so when you look at someone like Gavin Newsom, who is just bemoaned and absolutely said that fossil fuels are the most evil thing on the planet, and for him to say, okay, let's go ahead to expand it, it does raise some eyebrows. But let's be clear, gas is going to continue to rise in California, and he wants to be able to say, oh, shucks, I did all I could. He knows that this would just probably be a token effort, but he just wants the soundbite to be able to say, he did something. But like I said, it is interesting when you look at the politics because he wants to no longer be governor. He obviously wants to move up in his position. And the other governors that potentially would challenge him are doubling down on the Green Movement. And so this could be a headache to the center for his future political ambitions.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I mean, moving to the center is obviously something he wants to do if he wants to look presidentially. I still don't think he has a chance there. But... He's got two big problems. Number one, they've been hemorrhaging tax dollars because when all these oil companies and all that oil production leaves California, you're losing immense tax dollars. They don't absorb all the subsidies. They pay them. OK, and I think that's been really killing their budget. But I wanted to ask these 2000 new drilling permits. Are any of these going to be offshore? Because the offshore oil that they have in California, if they want it, is unbelievable.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, and that's one of the marks that... Well, then they're idiots. Yeah, to appease the environmental. He says the offshore moratorium, as far as state permits are concerned... will still be in place. These are going to be in Kern County, California, which is an oil-rich part of California. But you're exactly right on the history. Chevron got its start in California. Yeah, it recently left, but California was a massive oil-producing state early in its history, early in the history of American oil production, and Gavin Newsom has completely killed that. But to your point, they always loved the money. They didn't love the oil, but somehow they always cashed the checks.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, why is it 465? Okay, I mean, I know a lot of it's their taxes. What goes into that?
SPEAKER 13 :
That's a good point. A lot of it as well as infrastructure. And so California is, I know it's not an island, but in a lot of ways it's tried to make itself an island, particularly when it comes to energy. And so they are shutting down refineries, and that was part of this. There are two refineries that are slated to close down within the next six or so months, six or seven months.
SPEAKER 05 :
Ouch.
SPEAKER 13 :
They got left off. And so as we talk today, they're still going to get shut down. So the logistics of it. So, yes, you can extract more oil. But as you all know, you'll have to process it and move it around. And they have just attacked infrastructure as well. And so infrastructure is part of it. Taxes are part of it for sure. But California has always decided, you know what, we're going to try to be different and get our electricity different, get our oil different. And so it forces them to import their electricity, to import their oil. And that drives up costs.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and it's been far too long, and people out there, as you know, Larry, are in some cases fed up. They're deciding, listen, I don't need to do this. I can go someplace else. I can own In-N-Out and be a billionaire and still move someplace else. I can own Tesla and SpaceX, and I can move someplace else. I mean, I can be a bigwig, quote-unquote, and they are, and decide, you know what, Larry, enough's enough. I'm moving somewhere else. And by the way, they're not the only ones doing it. There's average Joes doing the same thing.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, you're exactly right. Although I'm sure no one from California has moved into Colorado.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, not a soul, Larry.
SPEAKER 13 :
None. But your point is exactly the right one. Those who can afford to leave have done so. Sadly, they're probably trying to export some of that failure into other states. But look at the folks that are left in California. One of the reasons Gavin Newsom did this is by one estimate, gasoline in California could be as high as $8 a gallon within the next couple of years.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 13 :
And so I think he sees that that's probably going to happen. And he wants to say, oh, well, look, I tried everything. I even tried to increase oil production. And when gas prices go up, he also wants to, in a few years, blame President Trump and said, oh, here was a guy who ran on energy. Look what happened to you, California. I even increased oil production. Like Trump said, it didn't work. And so it helps him in a lot of those political ways, unfortunately. If you live in California, it doesn't help you one iota.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but Larry, how's he going to be able to sell that when the rest of the country is still having $3 gas? I don't understand how that's going to work.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think, and that is the exact right question to ask, and that's the question I ask as well until I realize you have to. understand the mind of gavin newsom on the last night general it is not about getting results because everyone's like well that won't get any results why would you do that it's about your intentions it's about how much money you spent on it and the gosh shucks i tried that is how the left measures things they don't measure things and results look at what they do with schools well We have bad school performance. Yeah, but look at all the money we spent on it. Look at that. We're sending more money. They always measure themselves on attention, and what they've done, they never measure on results.
SPEAKER 15 :
You're right. No, you are 1,000% correct. That is exactly what they do, Larry. Okay, Power of the Future. Talk to us about that. How do folks find you?
SPEAKER 13 :
Sure. I appreciate it. They can head over to our website, PoweroftheFuture.com, just because on the Internet it's all one word. And if they want to send me any hate email, a Gavin Newsom's press agent, my email is Larry at PoweroftheFuture.com.
SPEAKER 15 :
Larry, it's always a joy having you. Keep up the great work.
SPEAKER 13 :
You guys are the best. Stay cool.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 15 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. $5 a gallon gasoline in California. If it gets to that point, Andy, what happens?
SPEAKER 09 :
I believe they'll lose a couple house seats.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think you're right.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it's going to help Trump in 26.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is one of those universal problems that people hate.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. I mean, look, they will tolerate having it in the fours, which, by the way, you in California, you're stupid. You're stupid. You shouldn't tolerate that at all. You don't have to have that. You don't have to have that at all. Why do you have to have such high taxes on it? You know why? Because you drove away a lot of the petroleum industry. Okay?
SPEAKER 15 :
Which is the same things happening in Colorado.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Which we're doing here in Colorado. And now, what is that doing? It blows my mind right now. Here, Pulse is coming to us. Oh, we've got a billion-dollar shortfall. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, you created it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Downtown. The number of oil companies downtown has shrunk dramatically, John. And those oil companies were paying huge tax dollars into the coffers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Should have expanded them, not shrunk them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you should have been recruiting them.
SPEAKER 15 :
The problem is Polis listened to a small faction of the state called the environmentalist wackos that were out there. He listened to these nutjobs and thought that that was the right way to go, that that's what everybody in Colorado wanted. The reality is that's not what everybody in Colorado wanted. And he's doing the, how should I say this, Andy? He's paying homage to the wrong group.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Well, you know what? John, what do you always say about Blackhawk and gambling?
SPEAKER 15 :
You don't do it. Yeah, I'm not in favor of it. It's not a good bet, right? Yeah. Okay. No, but, you know, hey, knock your socks off.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, people are saying, Andy, what are you talking about? Here's what I'm talking about. They made a bad bet. They were betting. The Democrats here in Colorado were betting on the left running the national government forever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And having all this green energy and all this other nonsense.
SPEAKER 09 :
All the massive subsidies were going to keep pouring into Colorado, pouring into Colorado for these worthless energies that cost way too much per amount of energy that you make.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that got pulled back.
SPEAKER 09 :
That got pulled back, and now what are you going to do? What are you going to do there, cowboy? You just got rid of real energy that was paying the bills.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
And now you're wondering how to do it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, in this last legislative session, instead of sitting down and saying, guys, time out, guess what? We kind of screwed up. You know, we probably ought to go to these oil and gas companies.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Have some apologies. Let's do a little whining and dining. Let's get them back here. Let's do our best to try to get some of these things reopened up. Let's get things back online. Unleash permits. Yeah, let's get as many of these things going again as we possibly can. We've got to do some backtracking here. Yeah, it's not going to look great, but guess what? We can still do it. We've got time. Let's get this done.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and here's how you could sell it, even not to the hard left, but I mean to the middle. You could say, oh, yeah, we were against fracking, but fracking technology finally has advanced. That's all we've been waiting for. There's all sorts of ways you could catch that, Andy. Absolutely. Absolutely. Here is the thing. If we unleash fracking here in Colorado, the amount of natural gas and oil we would get in Colorado would be enormous. And by the way, not just oil and natural gas. We should also be courting nuclear, and we should also be courting mining.
SPEAKER 15 :
Really quick, the other way you could couch that is we have this thing called the PUC. You could even go to XL Energy and say, listen, guys, we're going to unleash oil and natural gas, which we know you guys resell a lot of.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
So here's what we want. We want a deal. We're going to allow you to continue to do what you're doing, but we want some things lowered. We want to be able to come to the people and say, guess what? We're going to unleash natural gas, especially in Colorado. And guess what Xcel Energy is going to do? They're going to lower your rates. Yeah. So you're not going to have these high prices any longer. We're going to unleash enough to where we're going to bring the price of all of this stuff down. And you make a deal with them, under the table kind of a deal. Right. Or guess what, Xcel Energy? If you want to keep doing the things you're doing, this is what you're going to do. And by the way, that's doable, Andy. You can get that done.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah. If the Democrats were to do that, then they can turn around and they're going to have votes forever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now you come back and say, look what we did.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, the problem is that Colorado has become too blue. Joe will be to you in just a second here. Colorado has gone so blue, Democrats don't have to do anything. The environmentalist, wacko left has seized such control here in Colorado. But one last thing. Both in Colorado and in California, they better realize something. There are some house seats available that are on the margin, and they are endangering them.
SPEAKER 15 :
The same thing could happen here. Absolutely. Joe, you're next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Guys, you may not recall, but California, there are two major... First of all, California, by the way, mandates a special blend of gas that is only sold in California. And... As of right now, there have been two refineries. One is Valero and the other, I think, is, hang on, Phillips 66 and Valero. They had two refineries. Well, Phillips 66 four months ago said, hey, that's it. We're done. We're closing down first quarter of next year. And then last month, Valero said, yeah, yeah, we're going to close our plant too, which means that This special gas that is only available in California is now going to be refined in some other state and has to be trucked in. And the experts are predicting that might result in a rise of up to 75%. And forget $5 gallon, the experts are predicting gas would hit $10. could very well hit $8 a gallon in California next year.
SPEAKER 09 :
If that happens next year, then I guarantee you, Joe, then I guarantee you those House seats in California, which, by the way, they won back in the last election narrowly in 24. They're going back our way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Well, anyway, so that's the big wild card. Again, they're both Valero. It won't happen in the first quarter because both Valero and Phillips 66 are We'll continue operating those refineries, I think, through the end of the first quarter, maybe even through June. But once they both shut down and, you know, they're waving bye-bye, you know, all that special gas. And by the way, in the out-of-state refineries, they'll be able to charge, since there won't be any more competition. If you were an out-of-state refinery in California, hey, can you make us a special blend of gas? What would you charge?
SPEAKER 15 :
Double.
SPEAKER 06 :
Double?
SPEAKER 15 :
If I was in Nevada, which is where that would likely come from, if you're in Nevada going to ship that into California, that's exactly what you'd do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, Nevada's going to clean up.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
Not counting the transportation cost. I mean, just talking, again, remember, supply and demand, they need it. You're going to be able to produce it. So putting aside the trucking cost, which is a whole separate expense. Oh, yeah, you want to – how about $6 a gallon wholesale plus freight?
SPEAKER 09 :
But you're saying that the price increases are going to lag well into election season, so it's going to be tougher for the Republicans to sell, hey, this is coming. It's much easier to sell something and say, hey, it's here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it all depends how quickly – I think Phillips 66 might shut down end of first quarter. That's rough. But that will give you some of that bump in Q2. of next year, which is still six months before the election.
SPEAKER 15 :
And really quick for you guys, Joe, you might already know this. I did not know this. I just asked AI, does California have pipelines coming into the state whereby some of this refined product could be brought in cheaper than actually trucking it, Joe? Guess what? They have none.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 15 :
There is no pipelines coming into California. So like us in Colorado, we've got pipelines that come up out of Oklahoma and Texas, places like that, Joe, where we get some refined product out of our Suncor refinery and some is piped in through pipelines. California doesn't have
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, really quick here. Joe, isn't that infrastructure stupidity basically the same as their water infrastructure stupidity in L.A. leading into the fires?
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. They had that reservoir dry for, what, 18 months? Yep.
SPEAKER 15 :
So here's the other thing. They bring it in right now either self-supplied or they bring it in via fuel ships. So they have ships that come in. And their pipelines are the opposite. They export refined fuel. They don't import any. And I don't know if those pipelines, Joe, can even be reversed.
SPEAKER 06 :
I doubt it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I highly doubt it because the way the pumps and stuff work, I highly doubt they can reverse it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. But again, they'll stop doing that, too, because both Valero and – And Phillips 66 was down in the south end by, you know, somewhere near San Diego. So they kind of, you know, they kind of, well, you know, they had like northern half of the state and southern half of the state. But it's going to be bang, bang, you know, your two biggest refineries waving bye-bye. And those are the ones making that special.
SPEAKER 09 :
Are they talking about this out there? I mean, they've got to be talking about it. It's got to be huge. When you say talking about it, I mean, it's a done deal. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, in the news. I mean, the people on the street. Are people talking about this and saying, hey, man, this is coming? Or are most Californians completely unaware of what's coming?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, it's completely going to be complete. Now, it may become an issue, you know, first quarter next year when Phillips 66 shuts down and lays off, I don't know how many people work at their refinery. Wow. And by the way, talk about coming to Colorado. One of the fastest growing cities in the United States is St. George, Utah. People are just fleeing just literally over the border to St. George, Utah. And by the way, the people who are leaving California are the ones who can afford to leave. You know, when you look at, you know, these are not the people who rent a U-Haul truck. These are the people who hire United Van Lines to move them out. And California is, I think, either two or three in terms of net. and net loss of population, which includes the influx of illegal immigrants. So if you're still losing net population despite, you know, I don't know, half a million, million new illegal immigrants every year, what's happening to your tax base?
SPEAKER 15 :
Goes away.
SPEAKER 06 :
Goes away. And by the way, every municipality in the state, every state, city, fireman, police officer, park ranger, belongs to their equivalent of parents calipers California employee pension plan that pension plan is currently underfunded by $90 billion $90 billion. And when it runs dry, which it could very well happen in the next five years. I think Gavin was counting on Biden or some Democrat president to bail him out.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep, I think you're right. That's exactly what he was thinking. Just like Andy was talking about here in Colorado, you know, we've let a lot of the oil and gas companies go. Not go. We've shoved them out of the state, by the way. We pushed them out of the state. And I think Andy's right, Joe. I think Polis and all of his cronies thought. oh, we'll have all this green energy. We're going to be in the White House for years and years now. The reality is, you know, we'll have all this other green energy development and so on. We'll be OK. We don't need oil and gas anymore. We'll shift gears, go someplace else, and we're going to be just fine. And that's not what happened.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And by the way, Chevron moved. Chevron did have its corporate headquarters in California. Chevron bailed. Oracle, the largest, you know, Larry Ellison, Oracle, they're leaving. I've got a long, long list of corporations that And you mentioned In-N-Out Burger. So, yeah, they're, you know, Tesla, Chevron, Oracle, In-N-Out. It's a very long list.
SPEAKER 09 :
I hope they have their own trucks to move because you can't find any in California nowadays. I'm kidding, of course. But, I mean, in California right now, finding a moving truck to leave the state is almost impossible.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, this is six months old, but I read, even for those who have been using U-Haul, I read somewhere that if you wanted to rent a U-Haul one way, like from California to, say, Texas, that was some astronomical number, like $6,000 for a U-Haul. If you wanted to rent a U-Haul from Texas back to California, it was like $150. They just wanted to get the trucks back into the state.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's hilarious. That's how bad the imbalance is. So, again, I mentioned it was the high-income people using United Van Lines, but The U-Haul folks are leaving in droves, too. That's why these are either no one-way rentals outbound or $6,000 to rent a little box truck, because they know they're going to have to bring it back, pay somebody to bring it back. And that's a fairly good indicator of which way the net migration is going in that state.
SPEAKER 09 :
Unreal.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We talked earlier, Andy, in the last hour about some of this coming from the text line whereby certain individuals like the killer of Charlie Kirk registering as unaffiliated because it does what for them as Democrats?
SPEAKER 09 :
It adds objectivity. This is a big reason why, and by the way, it's not just Democrats. It depends on who it is, what area they're living in. When you register independent, then you can tell everybody, I'm open-minded. I'm not a one-sided. I don't go with any party. I'm not closed-minded like those other people. Yes, you are. I don't believe in the two-party system. Yeah. And yet, if you look at this kid on issue after issue, every issue that we know that he spoke on, he wasn't just left-wing. He was in the far radical left wing of the Democrat Party. OK, he was to the left of AOC. All right. This kid was more Democrat than Democrat. He was bluer than blue.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right. He's a Marxist at that point.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, of course. And so the what he was, he was a bitter kid who left his family. I want to stop you for just one minute.
SPEAKER 15 :
Those of you that are on the left and even those of you that text me, how do you not call yourself a Marxist? Everything that left stands for, the Democrat Party stands for, is a Marxist agenda, a Marxist ideology. So how, in particular, you that are texting, how is it you can say that you're not a Marxist with a straight face?
SPEAKER 09 :
Every single thing that they say they do for society, for America. All of it bubbles down to this. From each according to his ability to each according to his need. These people have more. Those people need more. Get them more. And if you don't, you hate people. You're evil. You are a tyrant. So look, you guys are Marxists all the way. And here's the thing. Every single nation around the world that uses your economy, people are running from those to come to ours. They're running from your economy to come to our economy from all over the world. Every state that uses more of your ideas, people run from those. We were just talking about California. They run from those to go to red states. Every urban area where people use more of your ideas, your economic ideas, and they just lavish money on illegals and lavish money on this and spend money on that and take it from the, you know, and try to, in New York, tax the living daylights out of the rich, right? What happens? People leave those places and they go to rural and outlying areas. You see it right here in Denver. Where do people move? Do they move into Denver or out, John? They are expanding out. We call it urban sprawl. Okay. And so unfortunately, what do they do? They go out into Aurora and now Aurora is blue. It's unfortunate. These people don't seem to understand. And the reason is why. Because they are locusts. They do not create.
SPEAKER 15 :
They devour.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, they devour. All they do is move on to the next place where they can devour more.
SPEAKER 15 :
Look at any blue run city that's been that way for any length of time and tell me it's better today than it used to be.
SPEAKER 09 :
Never.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's not.
SPEAKER 09 :
Never. And also, look at every blue-run city and look at the surrounding cities. Now they're worse. Why? People fled that city. They're locusts. Because they're spillover. Yeah. Locusts, John, don't plant and water and grow.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, they devour.
SPEAKER 09 :
They devour a field and move on to the next field.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that's what these people do. And you guys, you're Marxists. That's what a Marxist does. Marxism works great as long as somebody else pays for it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct. No. And I say it all the time. I'm at the point where I'm not going to call the left the left anymore. You're Marxist. If you're somebody that doesn't consider yourself to be a Marxist, then I would highly recommend you check yourself and why is there a D next to your name. If anything, you need to move in at least that unaffiliated column to where you're not affiliating yourself with a Marxist agenda, which is for sure what's on the left, by the way. Those of you that don't believe me, I encourage you. In fact, I appeal to you. Go read.
SPEAKER 09 :
the entire agenda of the democrat party oh yeah and tell me that it's not marxist it is purely marxist purely marxist it is all about re you know um redistributing what other people have created right in other words you're going to consume that move on to the next field we're going to steal from one Yes, to buy votes from the other.
SPEAKER 15 :
To buy votes from the other, yeah. And it literally is. It's theft. It's modern-day thievery. We're basically going to take from one and give to another because we don't think you should have had it in the first place.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, John, people shouldn't be surprised.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, you didn't build that. Obama said that himself. You didn't build that. We did. Yeah. You didn't build that. We did.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because, well, you know, you had these workers and this. Hey, who gave them jobs?
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
The hell I didn't build that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Who had the idea? Who put in all the late nights and all the time and effort and energy and took the risk and rounded up the money and everything else?
SPEAKER 09 :
Took the risk. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
But you didn't build that, Andy. Jeez. That was Obama's exact words. You didn't build that.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, John, it's not a surprise. When you look at all these urban areas that they're overrun by crime and people say, oh, you're making it a black thing. No, I'm not. I don't see any black Republicans running out there and knocking over 7-Elevens. This is you guys. It's not a race thing. It's an ideology thing. Okay. You liberals. don't believe in creating, you are locusts. You know what locusts do? They destroy. And if somebody does want to be destroyed, you kill them, you mug them, you take their car, you carjack them, you do whatever you got to do until somebody stops you by force.
SPEAKER 15 :
Case in point, what did Obama ever build prior to becoming president?
SPEAKER 09 :
Nothing. He was a community organizer.
SPEAKER 15 :
Good Lord. Meaning he was a community stirrer. Right. He was a pot stirrer. That's what he really was.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes. He was the least qualified person ever to be president.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Ever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Ever. By far. Ever in the history of the United States of America.
SPEAKER 09 :
Say what you want about Joe Biden. He was very qualified. Way more than Obama. Obviously, Trump was magnificently qualified. Okay. And, you know, people are so surprised at how successful Trump has been on the world stage. They shouldn't be.
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 09 :
Nobody understood the world like he did.
SPEAKER 15 :
Even his comments today to the UN about how stupid green energy is. Yeah. His exact comments basically were, you know, this is a lie. It's a trick. It's a fleecing. It's the greatest scam ever produced upon mankind. And a lot of you with countries have bought into it. And if you don't stop doing it, it's going to crush your country.
SPEAKER 09 :
And you know why he says that, John? It's so simple to him. How much investment do I have to put in to get how much energy out? That's it. That's all I want to know. How much total investment? It could be money, it could be water, it could be land, it could be whatever. How much total investment do I have to put in to get how much energy out? And the second you look at that, you realize, oh my gosh, these green energies are an unbelievable scam.
SPEAKER 15 :
And as I've said many, many times, could have talked about this with Larry, by the way, but we can do it on our own because we're as much of an expert in this area as anybody. It's no such thing as green energy anyways. I hate that terminology because there's no such thing. Because by the way... Without petroleum-based products, i.e. oil, they don't exist. You can't even produce what these guys would consider to be green energy, that be windmills, solar panels, things of that nature. You can't produce any of them without having the oil in the first place, Andy. Right. Period. It doesn't happen. No. Not at all. Without it. And this is, by the way, the Marxist movement and what they really want. What they really want at the end of the day is for us to go back into the Stone Age because they hate people. They don't like people at all. People are a scourge on the earth. They just want to see us wiped out altogether anyways, Andy. Yeah. Except themselves.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, it blows my mind. And they know, they know, even for their wonderful things, their luxuries, we'll get back into electric cars. I think they're a great product. Don't get me wrong. But you need a lot of minerals for that car.
SPEAKER 15 :
And all sorts of other things.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which, by the way, you don't get without oil either.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. First of all, you don't get it without oil. Secondly, you really don't get it without mining. And they want all the mining to be overseas. They want all the oil to be overseas. They want all the mining to be overseas. And it's just like, you know what, guys? That mining is good work. It's good jobs.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not in my backyard. Dan in Blackhawk, go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
So Trump understands it's called ROI or return on investment.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right. So not only is it a return on investment in the companies that would drill for fossil fuels and extract the fossil fuels and make money off of it, but it also benefits the people that they're serving because And that's a return on investment for the people that are consuming the energy because they don't have to spend as much money on energy and they have more money to spend on other things. That's right. If they want to spend it or if they want to save it or if they want to invest in a company of their own, they're going to have... more money to invest, or if they want to invest in the oil itself, they're going to get a return on investment on that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Really quick on that, Dan, I want to add one more thing to that, too, that I think Trump also fully understands, which, by the way, most lefties don't, is he also understands the multiplier in everything you're talking about. Not only the initial return on investment, but the multiplier that goes along with that, which you understand.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. And then he praised China for... creating the the windmills he says great for china it's great for china and china's you know basically what you said policing the other countries how many other countries buy into the windmills so i guess china is the one that's making all the windmills so they're all for green energy but then he said do they have windmills in china nope So he's like, okay, they're producing the windmills, but how come they don't have windmills, guys? I mean, it's like, how dumb do you need to be to understand that China doesn't believe in windmills, but they're more than happy to make them. No, they build coal plants, about one a week. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
For all of you listening, I'm not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, you aren't.
SPEAKER 15 :
It ends up being almost one a week that they're building coal-fired power plants as we speak.
SPEAKER 09 :
Coal, by the way, there's another energy form that is fantastic for the bang for the buck. Yep.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and the greenies or the green whatever save the earth and fossil fuels bad for the earth, they want to control everything in the United States. I'm like, if you're worried about the, what, greenhouse gas emissions is what they're saying, You guys need to work with India and China in changing their policies if that's a big deal. But good luck on that. Yeah, China's going to say, go take a hike.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not going to happen. Yep, not going to happen. It's not going to happen in China, not going to happen in India, not going to happen in places like Russia. Dan, I can go down the list of places where it's just, you can ask all day long, it's not going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And the... environmentalists. Remember when the Iraq war happened and all the people went to Washington to protest no war for oil, but yet they drove to Washington to protest?
SPEAKER 15 :
No different than the guys in Washington that'll protest oil and they show up in their car and their kayak and everything else, which they all forget was made out of plastic, which comes from oil.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and just go on another subject. Did you see, I think it was the A representative from Iowa was pointing out the federal bureaucrats. I think they prosecuted one guy that had three full-time jobs with the federal government.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow. I did not see that.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they have ten different HR systems for the federal government, and they don't communicate with each other, so they can't do a cross-check on those databases to make sure somebody's in... in one database, they can't go to the other database and verify that they're doing it. So, I mean, this is how Trump wants to make America great again. It's like, why do we have 10 different HR databases for the federal government? We should have one.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And then the GOA office, what is that? I forget.
SPEAKER 15 :
Government Accounting Office, GAO.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. Yeah, they can do their audit of those personnel records, and it would be a whole lot easier for them to to find people that are working full-time. And on top of it, the one guy was an advocate for working at home, and he abused it the worst with working, I think, three jobs. I mean, one person made $256,000 one year working three full-time jobs for the federal government. Wow. And they probably didn't work more than 20 hours a week, would be my guess.
SPEAKER 15 :
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it is. So, anyways, great subject you're talking about. Well, I appreciate it, Dan. No, thank you, as always. I appreciate it.
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SPEAKER 17 :
It's time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Always love Andy, by the way, when the left try to eat their own. Yeah, I love this. So this is a Starbucks story whereby there are employees, some of them, by the way, here in Colorado, that want to sue Starbucks, saying it's illegal for Starbucks to force them into wearing certain attire at work, i.e. a black shirt with khaki pants, which, by the way, has pretty much been their... attire for quite some time. And what I say is the left eating the left. Starbucks is for sure a very leftist company.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, they're almost Ben and Jerry's.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, through and through, they are very leftist. And the majority of workers, not all, but a lot of workers that work at Starbucks. Very left. Very much on the left as well. And my gut feeling is these workers that are saying it's illegal for Starbucks to require this, which, by the way, they don't know the law very well. They're actually pretty stupid. And they're working for a company that believes just like them. So they're going to just like go sue their parents is essentially what they're doing.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and all Starbucks is asking what? That they have a black shirt underneath their... Black shirt, khaki pants.
SPEAKER 15 :
Khaki pants. And there's something else.
SPEAKER 09 :
They can't wear a certain facial... And they're also providing two shirts for free.
SPEAKER 15 :
I didn't see that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. They don't have to, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's what I saw. Yeah, they don't have to.
SPEAKER 09 :
I know that, but they are. That's what I saw.
SPEAKER 15 :
So for those of you that don't know what the law is, which I do and have known for years because owning businesses where, in certain cases, uniforms are required, here's how it works. If you as an employer require your employees to wear a certain type of clothing that has your name on it, you are now required to provide that and also wash it for them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Wash it for them?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, you have to do the cleaning of said items as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
I can understand providing it for them.
SPEAKER 15 :
Colorado law.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because that's basically functionally a uniform, and most places provide a uniform, but washing it for them?
SPEAKER 15 :
That is a Colorado law. I don't know about other states, but in Colorado, if you require a uniform with your name on it, you are required by law to also clean said garment. So the way Starbucks gets around that is none of what they're requiring the employees to wear has a Starbucks name on it other than their apron, which they handle the cleaning of and so on because that is something that Starbucks is required to do. But making a person wear a black shirt and khaki pants, as long as there's no logo on it that says Starbucks, they are well within their right to have them wear that.
SPEAKER 09 :
John, where did they come up with having to clean it for them?
SPEAKER 15 :
Been that law for eons, Andy, for the last, at least in Colorado, 40 years.
SPEAKER 09 :
Why?
SPEAKER 15 :
Because when you require somebody to wear something specific with your name on it, you now own the garment per se because it's your company garment.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no, I get that. I get that. And that's why you're required to wash it. Yeah, but you're providing it free of charge.
SPEAKER 15 :
But you're required to wash it as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because I've worked at places in Colorado where I had shirts that had their logo on it.
SPEAKER 15 :
By law, they're supposed to wash it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Nobody cleaned it for me.
SPEAKER 15 :
They were supposed to. A lot of companies get around that.
SPEAKER 09 :
I wouldn't even think of asking.
SPEAKER 15 :
A lot of employees don't know this is the law. But yes, if you are required by your employer to wear a logoed shirt... And it's required. Now, it can be voluntary. You can say, hey, if you want to wear this, wear it. If you don't, don't. Now, that's different. If you just give them a shirt and say, you know what, if you want to wear this, go for it.
SPEAKER 09 :
They're going to expect it. And they should because you want everybody to look the same. It looks better for a business.
SPEAKER 15 :
Then you're supposed to wash it.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's stupid.
SPEAKER 15 :
There's a lot of companies that can get around that. They shouldn't have to. Well, I'm just telling you what Colorado law is. So, for example, in all of your auto technician shops where you see guys with their shirts with their name on it and the company name on it, that's all done by uniform companies that provide those garments, and that company pays for that. And it's not cheap.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, now wait a minute. I mean, obviously, the way you get a garment dirty working as a mechanic, that's different.
SPEAKER 15 :
But it doesn't matter. Even if they were working as an advisor and they wore a white shirt with the name on it and that white shirt stayed clean, you as a company are still required to launder that.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I know that. I'm just saying. Just looking at it logistically, the difference. You see what I mean.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but again, the law is the law is the law, and they don't care how it gets dirty.
SPEAKER 09 :
What do you think of the law? What do you think of it?
SPEAKER 15 :
Your opinion. It's been that way in Colorado for so many years.
SPEAKER 09 :
Don't care. What's your opinion?
SPEAKER 15 :
I got used to doing it. I think if you're a company that's requiring somebody to wear something with your name on it, yes, you should launder it. That's part of their benefit package. Yes, I think you should.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Yes. How do you know it's, I guess they have to label it as theirs and you wash it and give it back to them?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, there's uniform companies that do this, or you can launder them yourself. You can get your own washing machine, dryer, do it yourself if you'd like to, but there's uniform companies that actually do this for you. That's part of their service. And a lot of companies have it. I do.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
I've never heard of this.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah. I've had it. That's why there's big, and there's always a saying, and I believe this to this day, most uniform companies are run by the mafia. Okay. Like trash companies. Very similar.
SPEAKER 09 :
Ah, okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm not joking. It's very similar to the way trash companies are. Uniform companies, trash companies, very much one and the same. In other words, be careful with the contract you sign because you're never going to get out of it. Really? Oh, I'm not joking. Well, I've gotten out of them before because you have to read it and do everything exactly. So like in the uniform contract, if you want to change uniform companies, it'll have some clauses say, we have to be notified in writing by certified mail on the 181st day prior to the contract ending. And I'm not exaggerating. It's very specific. And if you don't follow the letter of the law, it automatically renews.
SPEAKER 09 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah. It's like dealing with the mafia. I'm not joking. It's very much that way, Andy. Okay. Now, the reason why I think they should launder it, especially when you're requiring your people to turn those back into you if they quit, and they're really your shirts, your whatever at that point in time, yeah, you should be laundering those for your people if you're doing that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, yeah, I've never been at a place that required you to turn them back in.
SPEAKER 15 :
In a lot of cases, if you wear a polo shirt or something like that and it's got your name on it and so on, they'll require those back.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, like when we worked up at the casinos, of course, we had the polo shirts. They never wanted them back. I mean, they wouldn't want them back.
SPEAKER 15 :
By law, they are supposed to launder those.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, okay. They didn't. Nobody even thought of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
They're supposed to be.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that is something that, again, I coach businesses on and do that. Because what will happen is if you don't do that and all of a sudden you run through a year and an employee starts to complain, guess what you're going to be doing? You're going to be reimbursing them for a year's worth of laundry. By law, and they'll make you. If they fought you, they'd win.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I believe you.
SPEAKER 15 :
I just have never thought of it. In this Starbucks case, for those of you that might be Starbucks employees listening to me, you don't have a case. They're not requiring you to wear something that says Starbucks on it. It just has to be a black shirt and khaki pants. In that case, they are well within the letter of the law to make you wear that to work for them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah. That makes sense.
SPEAKER 15 :
No different than if a bank said, you know what, you've got to wear a collared shirt and a tie to come to work.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but the question is, why is that a problem?
SPEAKER 15 :
For these people?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because they're lazy, Andy. Why do you think? They're cheap and lazy. That's why. I think. That's my answer. Black shirt? A black shirt and khaki pants. How hard is that?
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, how many people have black shirts? Most.
SPEAKER 15 :
Everybody has black shirts. Okay, so to keep your job, you go buy a couple more. How expensive are they? They're not. It's a black shirt. You know, they could talk to ICE. ICE probably has a lot. Well, right now, by the way. Yeah. I saw an ad. I did see this ad the other day. ICE is offering a $50,000 signing bonus to join ICE. But you've got to have skills, baby. $50,000 signing bonus. All right, we'll take our last break. We'll come right back. Might have time for one more call. We'll squeeze in. Mile High Coin is up next. And as I always say, if you've been collecting things throughout the years, you want to turn that into cash, talk to Mile High Coin today, 720-370-3400.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Jeff, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, guys. How you doing?
SPEAKER 15 :
Good.
SPEAKER 07 :
Good. Good on the shirts. You know, I've been working up to casinos a long time, too, and as a dealer over the years, and I'm actually working up there now, and they've never washed our stuff. And I remember our shop did. Mastercraft, we always did. My mom was very big on that, and I agreed with you on that, too, is that They should be washed. I don't know. How does the casino industry get out of it? Because those all have dealer shirts. Nobody discusses it.
SPEAKER 09 :
I was a manager up there, Jeff. Nobody discusses it. By the way, what you should do is demand that they wash it with you in it, and then you don't have to shower. What do you think?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that works.
SPEAKER 07 :
But they have all the shirts. I mean, I've worked up there a long time. And if Dan's still listening that calls in, he works for the casino up there. And I just wonder why the – I don't know how the casino is. Casinos, too, used to be run by the Mafia, so they're kind of the same way, I guess.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, you're a dealer. The logo, is it on the vest or on the shirt? How do they do it at your place?
SPEAKER 07 :
Ours are on the, well, when I was at Ameristar, it was on the actual shirt. They were embroidered on our shirt. And the ones now, I know the guys where I'm at, it's on their cuffs. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, yeah. If they make you wear that as a requirement of the job, they're supposed to launder it for you. Oh, 100%. They'll send you home. They're not going to let you work without it on. Okay, well, they're supposed to launder it for you. Sorry, I'm not trying to get any trouble. That's just the law. It is what it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, it's awesome that you knew. I didn't know it was the law, but I just knew that when our shop, we always did. That was one thing that was... You know what I mean? And I remember it was, yeah, we never, never didn't have uniforms licked clean for those guys. I've got to run.
SPEAKER 15 :
Jeff, thank you, by the way. Appreciate it. I'm not telling anybody what to do. I'm just telling you what. You can go look it up. By the way, that's all over the Colorado Department of Employment website.
SPEAKER 14 :
John just started a black hockey union.
SPEAKER 15 :
You'll go find that. Sorry. All right, we'll be back tomorrow. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Join us as we delve into Mike's unforgettable day in Arizona, where extraordinary scenes unfolded at State Farm Stadium. From the early hours to the bustling challenges of security and the emotional crescendo during a service marked by deep faith, explore how a day of remembrance turned into a valid spiritual revival. Carrie's unexpected involvement provided a unique insight into how sometimes, doing things with confidence can be the key to overcoming obstacles.
SPEAKER 01 :
Mike is here. I'm so glad to see you. I was so glad to see you. My day was so special, and one of the first special things I got to do was take a look at my Twitter feed, my X feed, and see my friend and my colleagues repping my company and these people we work for in what looked very much like a pilgrimage to that stadium. I was so proud of the company we worked for, of which Charlie was a part, and so proud of you, and I just offer you the floor and just tell us about your day and how it began and where it all went because it had to be incredible.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, Mark, you and I were texting back and forth because, as everyone knows, you're one of my closest friends. And to grieve with friends is important to me. And so I was trying to connect you. And I feel a little bit tacky because our infrastructure is such that we would post things on X. Well, then I would kind of forward the X stuff to you so you could kind of see the end result.
SPEAKER 01 :
That's great.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's great. But I am kind of proud of our presence on X. This has kind of become our go-to place. And so for any events like this, feel free to follow us. Of course, the Eminem Experience is streamed every day on X Live. So right now you can go there, at Gallagher Show, and follow me. Because what we do is, and I'm very proud of the fact that all through... this incredible, extraordinary, historic day yesterday. I was posting pictures and video clips of what I was seeing, what we were experiencing inside State Farm Stadium. Let me share that with 200-plus thousand people showing up at 4 in the morning, as you call it, a pilgrimage, we almost didn't get in. Now, I want to tell you that I've got to give Turning Point USA all the credit in the world to pull this off in a week, in one week's time, just the security precautions alone with the U.S. Secret Service having to protect the President, the Vice President, the Speaker of the House. all these sitting members of the administration. I mean, they were all there, Bobby Kennedy Jr., Marco Rubio. And so you had security on top of security on top of security. Let me share with you, let me pull the curtain back and tell you how I got in. I saw we couldn't get in. I mean, we got out of the bus. We were two miles away. Traffic isn't moving.
SPEAKER 01 :
This is four hours before the event. I was going to say, I know you were early. I mean, I know you were just completely early to avoid just this problem.
SPEAKER 02 :
I mean, four hours. And one of the bosses said, do we really have to leave at 6 a.m.? I said, yeah.
SPEAKER 01 :
Because things started at 11 local time, right?
SPEAKER 02 :
11 local time. And so we left at 6. Wasn't enough time. In fact, I read one post on Twitter where somebody wrote how they spent just hours and hours all through the night. They wound up in the nosebleed seats and they said they would have never... changed that experience for the world or traded it out. So it was worth it. But look, trying to get in, you got 200,000 people, 60-something thousand in the arena, in the stadium, and then the overflow hockey arena next door. It was unbelievable. And it was, you know, organized madness, organized chaos. Well, I see Carrie Lake at the entrance where we can't get in. Secret Service is, sorry, nobody's getting through.
SPEAKER 01 :
She's got some pull in Arizona, I bet.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, the only pull she got was, hey, Mike, hey, Carrie, how have you been? Great. She had an escort. So I said, I'm with her. Now, Mark, here's what you do. When you're doing something wrong like that, here's my advice, life lesson. Do it with confidence.
SPEAKER 01 :
Do it with gusto. Just shoulders back, chest out. I know where I'm going and everything's fine here.
SPEAKER 02 :
Do it with bravado like you know what you're doing. And Carrie actually looked back at me like, What in the heck is this idiot doing? And I had like four of us with us. So I'm grabbing all of us. I'm saying, come on, let's go. We're with her. We're with her. And so the seven or eight of us marched in there and we got right through and we got in and we made it. So thank you, Carrie Lake, even though I probably violated 167 laws. It's not like you were, you know.
SPEAKER 01 :
sideline, bypass the metal detectors or anything. You went through every bit of security. It was just a matter of whether you were going to make the cut to actually get in the door.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. And to the security, maybe you noticed, they had a bulletproof shield in front of the podium in an indoor stadium.
SPEAKER 01 :
Can I ask you about that? Which is very rare. Very rare. It is, and very necessary, I guess. Of course it is. It is. How? How how should we feel about how necessary it is? I saw some I read so many posts, so many posts. And one of them said, I am so uplifted by what I'm seeing. I love it. And yet I am furious that because of leftist violence, every single one of these speakers have to grieve from behind bulletproof glass. Is that person wrong?
SPEAKER 02 :
They're not wrong. We ought to all be angry. We ought to be angry that there was even a memorial service at all. We ought to be angry at all of this. But when you have every single sitting member of government under one roof, they have to do everything they can to keep people safe because of the violence. that we're experiencing in this country because of – Charlie Kirk's death was a political assassination, period. And so ultimately we have to acknowledge that. I'm glad for the security. And by the way, I was sure something was going to happen. I don't know about you, but I felt like there would be disruptions. There would have been a lot of protesters or whatever.
SPEAKER 01 :
You know what? This is so funny you say that. I can hear people, I bet through your earphones and mine, you bet it's a political assassination, but also a religious one. He was a faith leader, so we're covering both those bases. This event was marked not just by the words that were said, but also sometimes by moments of Eloquent, quiet on the part of a lot of the speakers who just paused, and Erica Kirk especially. And I wondered if there wouldn't – how many total human beings inside the stadium? 65,000, 70,000, right? 70,000 probably. There's not one jack wagon? There's not one troublemaker? Not one.
SPEAKER 02 :
Not one. That's remarkable. And I'm watching on the floor. I'm thinking somebody's going to unfurl a banner. Somebody's going to start screaming. Let out of there. But let's look at the atmosphere. But let's talk about yesterday. State Farm Stadium became a cathedral. That was not a memorial service. That was not a funeral. That was a revival. Yep. That was, I mean, first of all, when we finally did get in, and we were there, probably got through the door in our seat, and thanks to Turning Point USA and Andrew Colvett and the team, of course, they took care of us, and we were on the floor. We weren't far away from the stage, and these are moments that I will never, ever, ever forget. I'll treasure yesterday. It was one of the most important and profound experiences I've ever had because from the moment we walked in, there was a worship band on the stage, and it was all worship music. It was all spiritual. It was God. It was the power of redemption and salvation. This was a church service. You have to – and if you noticed, if you happen to be watching, if you were streaming – of course, Salem News Channel carried it all, and a lot of our affiliates carried it as well. If you were watching, if you were observing, between even – even between President Trump and Erica Kirk, between every political speaker was – Worship music. It was spiritual music. It was all about what we believe as a Judeo-Christian nation. Look, my pal Mike Lindell has been saying for many, many years, America needs a revival. Mark, I'm not sure we're not getting it right now. I think we're seeing a revival.
SPEAKER 01 :
I think we are. I completely, completely do. And I guess doing what we do for a living and attracting a broad swath of listeners, I'll say this once. Maybe I only need to say it once. Maybe I need to say it 20 times a week. In no way does this mean here comes the theocracy or you must be forced as an American to believe as we believe. Absolutely not. The founders were people of deep faith themselves and founded a country of complete religious freedom. You can do whatever you want, believe whatever you want, worship however you please. But for those who choose to worship as the founders did, for those who choose to worship in the Judeo-Christian vein, it's been a tough ride for a few decades. And we've been marginalized and sidelined and made fun of by people from the president on down. And those days are over.
SPEAKER 02 :
They are over. They're gone. They're absolutely gone. And for that brave young woman who struggled and is dealing with the unimaginable, for her to say to that young man who murdered my husband, I forgive you?
SPEAKER 1 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 02 :
I forgive – she goes, I don't want that, man. She's been asked – in fact, the New York Times did a whole extensive sit-down with her in peace. New York Times, keep in mind. And it was actually a beautiful tribute to this – courageous young woman who now is the CEO of Turning Point USA per Charlie's wishes. He knew that this could happen. He was aware of what could happen to him. And she told people afterwards, incidentally, that when she saw Charlie's body in the hospital and they gave her the opportunity not to have to see his body and what they did to him. She wanted to. She said, I have to see what they did to my husband. And she reported that his eyes were fixed and he had a little bit of a half smile on his face. Like the Mona Lisa is the way she described it. And to her, that was Charlie seeing God. That was Charlie in the moment because all the doctors admitted he was dead.
SPEAKER 01 :
Instantaneous.
SPEAKER 02 :
Instantaneous dead. One second he was talking to a... Student on campus, the next second he was in the arms of our Savior. And she took comfort in that, actually. She said, I'm glad to see that little smile, that little grin that he had. I mean, all of this was so, so tough. But doggone it, could you forgive the killer?
SPEAKER 01 :
I'd like to think because we're called to do so. I'd like to think. I can't sit here and guarantee it, but I'd sure like to think that I could rise to the level to which she rose. And part of the value of this, part of the value of this entire service, this entire thing. You're a better man than me. Listen, I can't guarantee you. You'd like to think you could. Could we? I know I could. I know I could. Well, that verdict is in. I'm sorry, I just couldn't. Because it's so counterintuitive, and therein lies the definition of grace. How can you? How can you? Because in that moment where she said, first of all, Charlie tried to save men like him. Charlie tried to reach into that twisted culture and bring men like him out, like the man who took my husband's life. And when she spoke those three words, I forgive him now. She unburdened herself. Forgiveness, I mean, he's rotten in some cell somewhere. He may or may not care. Lisa turned to me at some point and said, he ought to be chained to a chair and forced to watch this, an idea I love. I don't know if it would have mattered. I don't know. But it matters to her. She is thus unburdened, and that's why we are called to forgive, so that those dark feelings don't poison us and impede our walk.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I'm a little Trumpian in this regard, and President Trump himself from the podium yesterday was so hysterical when he said, you know, Charlie wanted me to like my enemies. He wanted me to like my opponents because that's how Charlie was. He goes, I'm sorry, Charlie. You're mad at me in heaven. I hate my opponents. I hate them. I hate them all. I thought that's perfect, perfect Trump. But doggone at that moment at the end when he called her back up on stage and she leaned her head into his chest. What a tender moment. And aside, of course, I have to acknowledge that many don't often say exists for Donald J. Trump. He's not a warm and fuzzy.
SPEAKER 01 :
Not always the consoler in chief. Not always. He was yesterday. He sure was. What a day.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I will tell you that if you missed it yesterday, if you weren't, if you were at church and you had other things to do on Sunday, we're going to do our best today on the show to feature every single speaker. Just a snippet of everybody. Because, look, there's drama. There's political intrigue. Many of us think Marco Rubio actually gave a better speech than J.D. Vance.
SPEAKER 01 :
If it was a day to sort of score him like that...
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, he did.
SPEAKER 01 :
We've got elections coming up.
SPEAKER 02 :
Vance was always great. Because Vance and Rubio are going to be one. It's one or the other in 2028.
SPEAKER 01 :
So it would seem. But there's Trump being Trump, Vance being Vance, Rubio with such uplifting things, incredible moments from Erica Kirk, incredible moments from the pastor. Amen. Pastor McCoy. Amen. Stephen Miller. On fire. You have nothing. You people bring nothing. You build nothing. It was a little bit of everything everybody would have wanted from a Charlie-flavored event.
SPEAKER 02 :
Turning Point is famous for fireworks and stuff and sparkly. They did that yesterday. They should have done a little Darth Vader music when Stephen Miller came out. You should have strode out.
SPEAKER 01 :
Hello, patriots. He was taking no prisoners. Listen, I'm going to play a bunch of this, too, and I know you will, too, because that's the day to do this and have everybody call Mike and call me and tell us what you thought about it. And I'm just so proud of you, and thank you for being our eyes, our ears in that magnificent setting.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I loved sharing it with you, my friend. Thanks for putting up with my texts and my crazy comments and my selfies and all of that. But what a time. You're the best. And we'll share it all. All right. Love you. Back in the home base tomorrow. So we'll see you then. Have a great one.
SPEAKER 01 :
Mike Gallagher from Arizona. As soon as we're done at 10 on 660-A, I'll be answering.
Join Bill Gundersen as he provides a comprehensive analysis of the current market landscape, delving into the highs and lows of key indices. The episode kicks off with a detailed overview of recent market performances, highlighting the NASDAQ's record highs and contrasting it with the sluggishness of the Dow. Listeners are invited into the insights gained from Gundersen's recent trip to Silicon Valley, where big tech and emerging trends set the stage for important discussions about market direction. Gundersen also touches on the crucial topic of where the market might be headed, sharing his thoughts on potential tops. As economic data trickles in and valuation metrics are examined, he shares his methods for navigating the volatile landscape, offering strategic advice on staying ahead in turbulent times. Additionally, there is a lively discussion about the impact of political moves, such as the new H-1B visa fees, and how these could ripple through the tech sector. Engage with the global market performance narrative as Gundersen discusses the impressive runs in international markets, from China to Latin America. This episode is a robust guide for investors looking to understand the nuances of current market movements and the potential implications of global economic shifts.
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He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
SPEAKER 02 :
And welcome to the Monday morning. It is the September 22nd live edition of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management, a coast-to-coast company. nationwide fee based only firm and i'm here with barry kite our chartered financial analyst and uh... we've got a mixed start to the market get guess which index is up and guess which one is down you got it yes the nasdaq is up again it's up twenty one points i believe that's a new all-time high at twenty two thousand six hundred and fifty two but the dow is down a hundred and fourteen points After hitting a new high last week, it's at 46,201. The S&P about flat right now, 6,662. It's down two points right now. Small caps are down a quarter of a percent. Interest rates are stubborn, even though I think interest rates reflect our Fed chairman. He's pretty stubborn himself. Rates very stubborn up there at 1.13% today. They're supposed to be coming down, but instead they're mired in that 1.13% range. Gold is hitting a new all-time high today, up 1.3%. And a pretty hefty sell-off in the cryptos today with just some distribution, some heavy selling, especially in the cryptos outside of Bitcoin. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. And I'm here with Barry Kite, our Chartered Financial Analyst. And we are home from our foray into the Silicon Valley, which was really, really a fun week. It's a whole new world out there. It definitely is compared to sleepy little Charleston, South Carolina. But I'm from Southern California, so I've seen plenty of hubbub, you know, in the biotech sector and the tech sector right there in San Diego. But nothing like that Silicon Valley, Barry.
SPEAKER 01 :
When we had the big news while we were there for Intel, they had a big announcement while we were out. So that was kind of neat to be there when their stock was up 25% in a day, I think. Yes.
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And, you know, as I thought about all of the different folks that we talked to, I mean, dozens, literally dozens, Not counting the workshop, which had, I don't know, 125 people, something like that there. And I would say the one question, the most pervading question that everybody has is, where's the top? Not where's the beef, but where's the top? They all have this feeling of, you know, we've been through this cycle several times in the tech sector, and this time it's AI driving the autonomous bus, I suppose you could say. And where's the top seems to be in a lot of people's mind. And I addressed that in my newsletter over the weekend. Not that I'm going to call the top. The top could have been Friday. You really don't know where the top is until after the fact, right? Unless you're the luckiest guy out there and have a crystal ball that's absolutely 100% right and you call the exact top. We've been pretty fortunate to call one, two, three, four bottoms. And it's not like I've put out 100 articles on bottoms and got four right. No, I'm four for four on bottoms. Tops, well, Bill, can you call the top? Well, you know what? No. The answer to that question is no, because you'd have to pick the absolute. You'd have to sell when the market looks the absolute best, right, hitting new highs.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, and, yeah, I mean, last year we had 47 all-time highs, and, of course, in 2025 we've added to that all-time high tally. And so if you were trying to call it, you know, we've been at the top for an extended period of time.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, and we keep hitting new highs.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right. New tops. New tops. Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
But there are definitely lots of clues that we can look to. I look at it this way, Barry. You see a guy line up for a 100-foot putt, and it's uphill, and it's got to lean to the left. He just wants to put that putt close to that pin, right, so he can two-putt the thing close enough to tap it in or at least a three- or four-footer to save par. You know, that's kind of what I aim for is to be close to that top. And, of course, the clues, we're going to talk a little bit about here today what will start to happen. You know, it's going to be valuation. Technical analysis, evaluation measures, believe it or not. And then technical analysis of the individual stocks in the markets. Those are going to be the two biggest clues. And, of course, the economic reports that we get on a weekly basis. As we sit here today... September 22nd, the quarter ends in eight days, a week from tomorrow, Tuesday, and that will be the end of the third quarter. The companies will start tallying up, counting the beans. The bean counters go to work and how many came in, how many went out, how many were left over. How does it compare with the analyst estimates? How does it compare with the same comparable quarter last year? And we start earnings season all over again, which is the last earnings season of this year, because after that it won't be until the first few weeks of January of next year, okay?
SPEAKER 01 :
Could it be some of the last quarterly reporting we ever had?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, yeah, they want to cut that in half. I'm not a fan of that. Me neither.
SPEAKER 01 :
I'm a fan of information.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, I think Wall Street's pretty entrenched in that quarter. That's a whole cottage industry. But as we sit here right now with a little over three months left in the year, the S&P is up 13.3% so far this year. But that doesn't really tell the story. It's the valuation underneath that 6,670 level that we're at right now. which is really key. If you've been short the market this year, SH, the S&P 500 short, it's down 11.6%. You chose wrong if you were a bear and have remained a bear in the market. The Dow is up just 8.9%. We call it the soggy Dow, and it has trailed the NASDAQ once again by a pretty wide margin today. because it doesn't have the growth that the NASDAQ has. The NASDAQ is up 17.2%. So once again, double, double the Dow Jones Industrial Average. The small caps have had a very, very soggy year. The S&P 600 up just 3.4%. Small caps continue to lag large caps by a wide margin. The Russell 2000 has done a little bit better. It's up 10%, having one of its best years in quite some time. But just keep in mind that inside that Russell 2000 index, there's only about 50 good stocks. The total world index is up 16.4%. Emerging markets have outperformed every U.S. market so far. China has been a big factor in that this year. Cheaper China, I would call it, has definitely drawn a lot of interest this year, and AI in China. The emerging markets are up 21.4. Europe's at its best. year in recent memory. I think that had a lot to do with money fleeing the markets earlier this year, afraid of Trump and the tariffs and the currencies. Europe's up 24.7%. But here's China. It's the leading index in the world this year, almost. Latin America's a little better. China's up 34.5%. 34.5%. We'll give you some interesting takes that we heard while we were there on people that have worked in the Silicon Valley for Chinese companies. A little inside baseball there. China up 34.6 and definitely a much lower rate. half the PE ratio that U.S. tech stocks are at, maybe one-third the PE ratio. Latin America up 36%. A lot of that was Argentina, but now all of a sudden Argentina is not doing well. The bond market, the U.S. Treasury market bond fund up 4.5%. This is one of its best years in a long time. You're going, really, Gundersen? The bond market's up 4.5%, and this is one of its best years. Well, over the last 10 years, it's averaged about 1% per year. So, yes, it is. And last but not least, we're going to give the award for the star of the year, year to date, to gold. A gold medal to the gold markets, which are up 40.4%. 40.4% hitting a new all-time high again today. Who would have guessed that gold would be the big winner here? We have exposure. We haven't had exposure for a long time. We have exposure to gold. I wish we had more. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. When we come back, you know, we met with a lot of people from India during our week in Silicon Valley, and there is news on these H-1B visa fees, which is rattling the tech industry today. We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
SPEAKER 02 :
And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Docs Now show. I want to get into the current valuations of the market because that's one of your biggest clues, obviously, as to where's the top. But this story caught my eye. Trump's $100,000 H-1B visa fee rattles the tech industry. uh... so anyways i thought i would bring that up india has been the largest beneficiary of h one b visas accounting for seventy one percent of the visa holders in the u s last year most of these visa go to stem professionals And Amazon has seen the most H-1B approvals yearly since 2020. Jeffries called the $100,000 a curveball for the Indian IT sector, saying companies will likely reduce H-1B usage as the fee offsets the EBITDA generated per employee over the visa period. So we'll see. I mean, Indian stocks are sliding a little bit, 2%, 3% on this news. Okay, valuations. Okay, I woke up Saturday morning. I'd already had a good start on the newsletter, able to work at 30,000 feet, Barry, with a pretty robust valuation. The internet connection and a good breakfast, I will say that. United's my favorite. I don't care for Delta anymore. That's just me. Their planes are old. And the cushions are all squished. My back is sore, you know. And I had a beautiful seat in American and United. But Delta, I always get in one of those old planes. I don't know. All right. Oh, poor me. You know, my ancestors walked across the plains pushing a hand cart, right? And I'm complaining about a not-so-soft seat on an airliner.
SPEAKER 01 :
I did get stuck. I did get stuck in Dallas, Fort Worth. On the way back, they had, I guess, some kind of FAA communications line that was cut.
SPEAKER 02 :
during you know some kind of construction yeah and so uh i think it affected dfw and love literally no planes no planes left for at least like two and a half hours wonderful well i flew through no problems in atlanta but i left the key to my car which was parked at the airport somewhere in san i left my key in san francisco tony bennett left his heart in san francisco I left my key. Luckily, but I did have to take an Uber home and get my key. And then my wife and I went and picked it up the next day. Okay, current valuations of the S&P 500. We need to put into perspective. This is the biggest clue. Where is the top? Okay, so the four valuation measures are price to book value, price to earnings, price to cash flow, and price to sales. How are we doing in each one of those four all-important valuations? I went back 20 years and looked at the charts of these valuations over the years. We are hitting a 20-year high. of 5.4 x on price to book value that's the s p 500 okay so uh you know we got back uh we got up to five during that covid year you know that that that 2021 was definitely a uh a bellwether year because that was the top of the market Before we went, before the Fed, the Fed put in a top, okay? The Fed put in a top in the market by signaling a tightening cycle. And that brought the markets to a screeching halt in late 2021. And 2022 was a bad year in the market. Put that one in your memory bank the next time the Fed decides to go on a tightening cycle. Get off the railroad tracks with anything long-term. bonds or stocks because they don't do well. But the price to book got up to five at that time. We recently hit five and we've gone to 5.4. 20-year high price-to-book value. P.E. ratio. This is more common, used more than price-to-book value. Well, during that sugar high with all the COVID money sloshing around, the S&P hit 30. It hit a P.E. of 30, and then the Fed went on the rampage as Jerome Powell driving the locomotive, coming around the curve. He didn't blindside the market. He definitely sounded his horn, and the smoke was coming, and you knew he was coming, and it was definitely time to get off the tracks. Silicon Valley Bank obviously completely missed that signal, stayed on the tracks, and now they're no longer in business. businesses they were loaded with long-term u.s treasuries that got cut in half during that period of time so price to earnings got up to 30 in 2021 we're currently at 27.8 27.8 so will 30 spell the top when we get to a pe ratio of 30 i don't know but i'm just telling you that was the top But you also had an extraordinary event that was a tightening cycle that was well signaled. This time we're in an easing cycle. And I saw Goldman Sachs comment today that that's going to extend this bull market, the easing cycle. And we're not at 30 yet. We're at 27.8 on the PE ratio. Price to cash flow. We're matching the high we hit in 2020. We're at 19 times price to cash flow. Okay. That's a little different than price to earnings because cash flow includes your interest payments, it includes your borrowing, it includes the raising of funds, that's cash coming in and cash going out obviously is a lot of different things but it is a measure that we compare over the years were very lofty numbers on price to cash flow. 19.0 on the S&P 500. Price to sales. We got up to 3.3 in the sugar high of COVID and we're now at 3.3 once again. So you have three out of four of your common valuation measures on the S&P 500 hitting 20-year highs or equaling the highs that they hit back in 2021. So there's a clue. We're definitely a long ways from the bottom of this current cycle, which was 2023, January of 2023. I called the bottom on the NASDAQ, was within a day of that bottom. And now here we are almost three years later, not quite, two and three quarters years later, We've come a long, long ways from those lows of 2023, January of 2023. But as I say, we're in an easing cycle. Now, when we come back, I want to go through the NASDAQ valuations. We have about a 15-year history. Where are we right now compared to the last 20 years on the NASDAQ? We'll be right back. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services... Call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show.
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And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Stocks Now show.
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As the market hits new highs, the buzz in the Silicon Valley, from my observation, is where's the top? Well, we're looking at one of the big clues, and that's valuations, okay, where historically they've been. You've got to go back to 2022 during the sugar rush COVID high to find valuations as high as we are today, and then you've got to go back to 2000. The year 2000, March of 2000. I met one guy. He worked for JDS Uniphase. That was one of the poster childs, Barry, back then. I remember that was one of the hottest stocks in the entire market with fiber optic chips and routing, etc. I said, what became of that? He said, well, it went down to under a dollar. It's still around today. It's lumen. It's lumen now. But there were many stocks. A lot of them went to under $1 and then to nothing, to nothing. All right, that was the year 2000, the NASDAQ, the dot-com bubble. So let's look at that venerable old NASDAQ, which has been hitting new highs and really leading the parade up twice what the Dow is up so far. This year, as we look at, we only have about a 10-year history on the NASDAQ. We are now hitting a 10-year high of 7.4 on price-to-book value. We have to go back to that giddy year of 2022 to find this. Actually, we're just a little under that or right at that high that we hit in 2022. The difference is we topped out in 2022 on price to book value as a tightening cycle went into effect. And now we have an easing cycle. The current PE ratio is 33.1 on the NASDAQ. Compare that with the S&P, which is 27. It's because the NASDAQ gets a richer multiple due to higher growth rates. The 10-year high multiple on the NASDAQ was 36. Back in the COVID sugar high year of 2022, we're at 33.1%. Price to cash flow is now at a 10-year high of 23.2%. So that's an all-time high there, or hitting that high we hit back in 2022. And notice that the price to cash flow on the NASDAQ is 23.2. The S&P is 17. I would say that the S&P does a lot more borrowing and issuing of bonds than the NASDAQ. That's one reason why that is. And, of course, the superior growth rates. And now the price-to-sales ratio is also hitting a high, a 10-year high of 5.2x. All right, so there's a few clues. And then, of course, you know, the technical analysis of the indexes themselves, Barry. They're hitting new highs, so you can't say... that they're starting to level off just like my plane flight eventually leveled off at thirty thousand feet flew over a middle america the center of america man i just looked down below and all the farms that that's what just blows you away so how rich the soil is of america and then of course we leveled off and then all of a sudden the seat belt light came on it was time to put the laptops away and we're coming in and we're going to start descending and i stock charts do the same thing uh... the nasdaq's been going up up up up up it has not really it's leveled off many times along the way but each time it's broken out to a new all-time high But eventually you're going to level off. You're going to hit that 30,000 feet. You're going to go maybe sideways for a while. Then you're going to start to come in for a landing. Let's hope it's not a crash landing with valuations up here. But don't forget that not only will the index do that, the individual stocks will do that that make up the indexes. they'll start to crumble first. It's been my experience that usually the software sector kind of leads the parade to the upside and the downside. I'm going to adjust that just a little bit. I would look at ARK funds. Someone said to me, well, Bill, why key in on the NASDAQ? Let's go to the outer edges of the NASDAQ. I agree with that. To where the most bloated areas of the market, ARK funds would be a very good one. It will definitely start to lead the market lower because it's at bloated levels. And it includes a lot of crypto. And I would say that, you know, crypto would be a big part. It may be the first to go, especially the crypto-related stocks, the Coinbases, the BitDears, I mean, the IRENs. You could go on and on and on of these crypto stocks that don't have a whole lot to sink your teeth into in the way of, you know, what's underneath it, what's it backed by. I could see the crypto turning first, and I think Cathie Wood's ARK could be a leader to the downside. Therefore, the first hedge I would put in and look to would be SARK.
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Right, Barry? I was wondering if that's where you were going. I was thinking about it, too.
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SARK got crushed. In 2022, I think it was up 60%, while the NASDAQ went down 30%. So I would look to SARC, and that's one of the charts I look at every day. There's a few charts I look at every day just as clues, okay? And then I think the second area to go, the small caps have had a better than usual year in 2023, even though it pales in comparison to the large caps. I would look for the small cap. Russell 2000, which is the junkier end of the market. The junk's going to go first, too, before the quality goes. And then obviously the highest PE stocks, and there are inverse ETFs that pick on their high beta. They pick on high beta stocks that are very volatile, and they create an index, the high beta index, and there's inverse funds on the high beta index. Well, that will cushion the landing as we descend, whether it's 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%. We just don't know. And they could also be quite profitable stocks. at some point in time also. Inverse crypto, BITI, I look at that every day. It's been crushed this year, right? If an asset class is hitting new highs, its inverse companion is hitting new lows. All of those would be clues. SQQQ, you know, Barry, you guys went and rang the bell for TQQQ earlier this year, which has tripled the NASDAQ.
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Yeah, the largest leveraged ETF out there. And the best performing.
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If you think about it, triple Q. So it's nine times, really. It's Q, Q, Q, Q, Q, Q. Nine Qs. Now the opposite side of that trade is SQQQ. So I'll be watching that. SDS is triple inverse the S&P 500. Now, I had somebody ask me, Bill, I sold a month ago, and it keeps going higher. Would you get back in it? It depends on the stock, okay? No, I wouldn't buy back all the stocks that I sold. And we have, I mean, we're 35% cash today. in our most volatile, the long-term, which Cathie Woods doesn't have that ability. In her ARC funds, she remains fully invested, or 85%, 90%. We have lowered our highest and most volatile, highest beta area of our portfolios. And, of course, we will continue to raise. And if it gets worse, we would hedge. But for the most part... I think we're 80%, 85% invested in our large cap, premier growth and ultra growth, which is more in the mid caps. Both those portfolios hit highs for the year. Where's the top? Well, we'll be on the lookout for that. Now, like Goldman Sachs says, the Fed rate cuts could prolong the U.S. equity rally despite these valuations that we're trading at. Okay, I talked to a couple kids yesterday at our church there that I help out with. They're in the nuclear sector, and we did some talking yesterday. Did you see the nuke stocks on Friday, Oklo? New scale, UR Energy, Nano, they're selling off a bit today. But man, and the quantum stocks had a huge week. They would be the first to turn when we hit a top and start to descend. We'll be right back.
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You've got to go where you want to go.
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Where's the Top edition of the Best Docs Now show. Well, where is the top in the autism issue, Barry? This could be the day. I don't know. Look, that's all I know is autism has exploded. And how much money has been spent, how many clinical studies, how much research has been done trying to find the cause of it, number one. And then number two, help for it. And today's going to be a big news conference at the White House. And supposedly it's going to link the use of popular painkiller Tylenol taken in the early stages by a pregnant mother to the huge increase in autism. Could it be that simple? You know, I mean, couldn't they have figured that out a long time ago? Now, that's Johnson & Johnson. Kenview was spun off by Johnson & Johnson, yeah, maybe three years ago.
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And that's a very common, you know, drug, I mean, in terms of Tylenol, right? Yeah. I mean, that's...
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And, of course, RFK, I mean, he's on a mission to put an end to the autism explosion. They also supposedly are going to announce a drug that could help folks with autism. So, hey, you know what? I hope and pray that we found the major cause. It's kind of like hiding in plain sight, you would think. A company like Johnson & Johnson now, unless, you know, I mean, you're on the other side of this and says, well, it's not good science that they're using, blah, blah, blah. Well, we'll have to read the research papers, I suppose, when they come out. But Canview, obviously, is the company that's a major maker of acetaminophen. and Tylenol. So we'll see. That's supposedly going to happen here today. NIO highlights new vehicles, key innovations at a special weekend event. I bring this up because we did talk to somebody at Silicon Valley. We met with him. He actually worked for NIO here in the U.S., They had a plant in Silicon Valley. I mean, I guess they had plans of having NIO cars going around America at some point in time, but eventually they had to close that plant because those Chinese EV cars are not getting into the U.S. But he talked about China and how the workers there in China, what was it, 996? Is the mantra. The workers in China work from 9 to 9. 12 hours, six days a week. And many of them just sleep at the office. The Silicon Valley, at least you have a choice. I don't know that you have a choice in China. We also heard that Tesla, we had another person that works at the Tesla factory building humanoid robots. That's the one right along 101, you know, just south of San Francisco and not quite to San Jose there. He says they're busing in workers on a two-hour trip. from the Salinas area, two hours on a bus. Musk gives them a bowl of cereal and then two hours home at the end of a long day. So four hours commuting on a daily basis at Elon Musk Tesla. We heard just different things. That is all interesting. But anyways, and the other story that I saw today, Berkshire Hathaway, I beat him to it. I don't know when he exited. We exited completely our BYD position. Berkshire's totally out, Barry. 17 years. exits the BYD position.
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We wrote about it in an article a few years ago. Remember how big a position they had? I think it used to be around 18%, maybe a little more. And they've unwound it over time and kind of probably averaged down as they sold it.
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And then eventually, now he's completely washed his hands of it. I'm sure they made a nice profit. And I'm going to end with this story here. When I looked all through my suitcase, no key. All right, so my car is right there. I just drive home. We're just 20 minutes from the airport or so. So I had to take an Uber, right? And the driver was from Venezuela. maybe 35 years old. He spoke very broken English. He's been here for four years. He was telling me what it's like to live in Venezuela under Maduro. He was a school teacher. He was a teacher. You know what he got paid per month, Barry? What's that? Twenty dollars. So let's not rag on Musk too much about the four-hour trip and the bowl of cereal and the 996 in China. $20 for a month's work. And no wonder he's here and no wonder why. And he showed me pictures. I told them I was a fisherman. He said, Oh, he, he catches pickle bass in the Amazon river. He showed me pictures. He catches them on lures. He's a fisherman. Uh, and that's how he was able to supplement, uh, that's good to be a fisherman. Uh, and he used to go fishing every day. Now he works at a plant out in Somerville that makes parts for cars. Something for the seats. He works full time and then he drives, you know, does Uber in his spare time. He's got a wife and two children here from Venezuela. He's not a fan of Maduro, I can tell you that. Maduro's not even from Venezuela. He's from Colombia. Hugo Chavez was from... I get in conversations with people, Barry. I try to learn. I'm learning something right now. I think I'd go pinto bass fishing in Venezuela, but I don't know if they'd let me come home. I don't know if I want to go there or not. And last but not least, that Boeing plant, it's booming. They get a 250 jet order from Turkey as Trump is to meet Erdogan. I don't know where they're going to stick the runway where they park the planes. I noticed that even they had half-built planes on the runway because I'm sure their hangars are full. Wow, things booming there at Boeing right now. Boots on the ground observations. Where's the top? Well, we stay invested for now, but we watch very closely on a daily basis. All of our holdings. Vigilance is the watchword. Have a great day, everybody.
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