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Join John Rush as he hosts Richard Battle to dissect the intricacies of government shutdowns. They reflect on historical instances and contemplate the current political atmosphere that fosters careless fiscal practices. Richard shares his candid insights about the inefficiencies and lack of accountability that plague federal budgets. The dialogue extends into how technological advancements like AI could streamline governmental operations. With proficiency, the hosts illuminate how out-of-control spending is a barrier to efficient governance and propose potential solutions that realign priorities to better serve the taxpayer. Listen in for a conversation grounded in practical wisdom and future-forward thinking.
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And it's hour two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Richard Battle joining us now as he does here on Wednesdays. Richard, welcome, sir.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good afternoon, John. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER 18 :
It's always a joy. I appreciate you joining us. And as we head down the stretch, I should say, into the holiday season, winding things down for the year, it has gone. This past year, Richard, all I can say is it has gone by super fast.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it's gone by super fast in this last month. I think people's optimism levels are higher than they've been in a long time.
SPEAKER 18 :
I agree. All right, let's talk about potential government shutdowns, or shutdown, I should say, lions, tigers, and bears. Oh, my.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, we remember that from The Wizard of Oz when Dorothy and her friends were going toward the Emerald City, how they would sing that song because they were afraid of the wild animals. And December 20th, government funding ends, and so we're ahead of the game talking about this because in the next week or so, we're going to be scared about what will happen if the government has to shut down even for a minute, and we'll be stampeded into okaying our elected officials and throwing more money away.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. And the reality, Richard, is and we've seen, you know, temporary shutdowns in the past. And of course, they still keep essential services going, but they will, you know, frankly, by the way, when we had the last one, it's like, what what are we missing here? Because I'll be the first to tell you, Richard, that I didn't see anything that we were missing, telling you that we have, in my opinion, far too many non-essential government workers.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that is correct. We've had 21 going back to Gerald Ford. The longest one was the last one with President Trump of 34 days. And what frosts my cake is that every time it's over, the employees are paid all of the back pay for the time off, despite that being the number one thing they scare people about is the poor federal employees are going to lose their income. They always are paid.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's right. In fact, they get paid basically a nice vacation.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's exactly correct. And what also happens on this is that they use this to spend equal or greater money. And we've not gone back and cut any of the spending whatsoever during this. We've not had a budget passed since 1997, which is why we have to do this. And it basically gives politicians from both sides of the aisle permission to spend more money than they would in a normal budget cycle.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, they sort of, Richard, quote, unquote, sometimes I don't even know if it's slipping them in. They're just downright, if we're going to do X, then I want Y. And they're very upfront about it. And at the end of the day, to your point, we don't go back and ever adjust those things or fix them. And sometimes those end up being perpetual things that we just keep spending money on. That's part of our problem. And hopefully what the Department of Doge will fix is some of these things that we keep spending money on that we never should have started in the first place.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's exactly correct. And there's no excuse in the next two years for us not to go back to regular budgets for the Doge people to come in and cut spending. Right now, only 6%. of the federal government employees are back working full-time in the office. And there's going to be pressure to get them back.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, stop it. How many? Six percent?
SPEAKER 09 :
Six percent are only working full-time in the office. And there'll be a lot of crying in the media about how bad it is to force people to go back into the office, into jobs where they had to work in the office before COVID. But now these people have moved to different parts of the country that are more enjoyable than where their office is. And I know in the Austin area, people are moving back to cities in corporate America, and that's causing a downturn in the real estate market.
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You are correct. In fact, one of the things I have said here for the past couple of weeks, Richard, is when it comes to, you know, minimizing some of our government expenses and maybe figuring out a way to do, you know, more with less employees and so on, you know, get AI on our side and streamline some of the, you know, really the antiquated technologies that government uses, IRS still using computer, you know, computer programs and computers from the 60s is interesting. ridiculous. But one of the best ways to minimize some of that is, frankly, do what you just said, move the main office somewhere else and, frankly, put it in a place where, you know, nothing against you in Texas, Richard, but there's a lot of Washington, D.C. workers that in the Department of Energy probably don't want to live in the panhandle of Texas called Midland.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I think you're correct. And I think President Trump is looking at and planning to try to distribute some of that federal workforce across the country what survives the doge operation and i'll give you an example i have to apply for copyrights with the government for the books that i write and the latest book it's taken seven months and i had to email them twice asking them what was going on they finally said it was approved and then here's the catch you'll get your certificate in four to eight weeks Wow. After approval.
SPEAKER 18 :
And Richard, on this one, this is a great example. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I want to stop for a moment because I think you just gave a great example of where I feel AI and technology, what you just gave as an example, should be an employee-less transaction that AI could do for government where maybe there's an official that has the final stamp of approval before it gets mailed or something along those lines, but the reality, Richard, is... Not a single hand should have to touch that. Not a single eye should have to look at it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, there's a lot of opportunity throughout the government for things like that. But you have to remember also that we have more unionized government employees than we ever have before. And so we've basically set up a process that's going to make it much more difficult to downsize or right-size the government. and we're going to have to get people that will accept transfers from one place to the other, and I I hope that we can amend some of the civil service rules as well during this.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, frankly, Richard, one of the things, and I've talked about this for years, one of the first things that need to happen federally and, frankly, needs to happen on the state level as well, people that I am paying as a taxpayer on my payroll should not be able to unionize. They are federal workers, and there should not be any form of unions when it comes to government workers, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I'm on the same song sheet with you on that, and If we can accomplish that, it will be a great piece of progress for slimming down the government we have. And we also have the issue, and this is part of the shutdown issue, that they have to spend their money each budget year so they can get more money. And the Congress has basically abdicated their appropriation process where they go to a baseline budget instead of a zero-based budget like most companies use. And so if they're spending $100 this year, next year they'll spend automatically $108. And if you try to cut it to $107, then the media and government employees scream about cuts. And so we need to move them as part of this process to zero-based budgeting where cuts are cuts. and increases are still increases, so we know what we're getting.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep, that's exactly right. And again, lots of things, Richard, that'll have to be addressed. Hopefully, in these first two years, we can address some of those things. And for all of you listening... As you said a moment ago, Richard, the media is going to hype up everything to make it sound like, you know, we're in dire straits and there's no way we're going to ever come out of this and people are going to lose their jobs. It's going to be awful and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The reality is they are going to hype that. And we, especially myself in media, are going to have to do our very best to counter that.
SPEAKER 09 :
You're correct. And the government never takes a pay cut. The politicians never suffer any recourse, but yet we, if we're having an issue and our income is lowered, we have to reduce expenses. The government expects to never reduce expenses, and we have to get them to thinking differently and get them to thinking more like regular citizens who have to manage that money better and appreciate it. As I've said for a long time, the taxpayers, the last constituent considered in any legislation, and we need to move the taxpayer to the front of line.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep, you are exactly right. Richard, I hope that we get to see some of that. That is what I, especially as a business owner, very hopeful for, that we get some of those things done, because government has literally run amok. It's out of control. There are people, to your point a moment ago, on payroll that probably haven't been in the office in years now, and a lot of things need changed.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely, and I look forward to change. You and I both.
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We're going to turn the page. All right, as folks are heading down into this holiday stretch and they're looking for some great gift ideas, talk about your website and what you have there.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, thank you so much. RichardBattle.com is the website. The latest book, which is really getting a lot of attention for gifts, is Americans Who Made America, 18th Century Birth of the Republic. I profile 40 people from the 18th century. Some you'll know, some you won't. They will all inspire you, make you have a greater love for your country, inspire you to live your richest life. And it's a great gift idea for young adults. And if you email me, richard at richardbattle.com, after ordering, I'm happy to inscribe gift.com. copies on that, and all books are signed at richardbattle.com.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush. We are back.
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Joe, what's going on today, sir? John, just to follow up on Richard Battle's comments about bloated government, I've got some data on the U.S. Post Office over the last 10 years, starting in 2014. Any idea what's happened to the volume of U.S. mail in the past 10 years?
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I know it's gone down.
SPEAKER 10 :
How about by 30%? It went from 155 billion pieces. I'm not shocked.
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And for all of you listening, the reason for that is, and even I as a business coach, Joe, even advise my clients that there's but a few exceptions where I think a mailer might actually be worth doing. But otherwise, don't waste your money. Don't waste your time. There's other ways to reach people. And even mailing bills and things along those lines, Joe, most everything is done now automatically with auto payments and the like, and you're just not sending stuff anymore.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, my electric bill, my garbage bill, my water bill.
SPEAKER 18 :
Joe, I don't – rarely, rarely do I put – the first letter I've mailed in the last couple of months was I had to renew a license plate for one of my old cars, and I had to do it either in person or by mail with a check. I could not do it online. That's government for you, Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
I bought a roll of stamps in January. I still have half a roll left. Exactly.
SPEAKER 18 :
Exactly.
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So anyway, so in 2014, there were 155 billion pieces of mail handled. Last year, there were 116 billion. That's a 30% decline. Now, and there's been a small increase in package volume, 3 billion. By the way, have you seen, and there's been literally tens of billions invested in automation. Have you seen these new package sorting centers, these automated package sortings?
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Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
They're as big as a football field. And it's all, nobody touches the package. Well, I mean, yeah, they have somebody to load them on.
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Barely.
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But they load them on. Once they go on, the barcode readers scan them. They travel down these chutes, which are then these conveyors, which are high-speed conveyors, which are collectively over a mile long. But at every given spot, they have like a collection basket that says, oh, you're going to Lakewood. Boom. And it shoots that back. It diverts it into a basket for Lakewood. Or if you're going to, oh, you're in Aurora, diverts it up. So anyway, so they've So the volume of mail is down by 30%. They spent tens of billions of dollars in automation. You know what's happened to the number of employees? Up. By 50,000.
SPEAKER 18 :
It's gone from... I saw some of the interviews on Capitol Hill about that, Joe, and the excuses for the hiring is laughable.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is. I mean, if you're going to have a 30% decline in what you're handling, and you're going to spend tens of billions... on automation, why do you need another 50,000 people?
SPEAKER 18 :
And by the way, that was the questions that were asked on Capitol Hill that the postmaster, I believe, just, if I'm not mistaken, Joe, covered his ears for.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think his name is DeJoy. DeJoy.
SPEAKER 18 :
He just covered it. And I'm not joking. He literally covered his ears because he was tired of the darts that were getting thrown his way. Let's just say it that way.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I have to say, you know, it's...
SPEAKER 18 :
And by the way, Joe, his excuse was, this is what I was mandated to do when I got hired. Wrong answer, pal.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wrong answer. Oh, and by the way, despite the fact that Congress relieved them of the ability to accrue for their pension and medical, they still lost $6 billion. Jeez. But let me tell you why that $6 billion is a phony number. Private businesses that still have a defined pension or defined benefit plan, they're saying, hey, you've just incurred a cost. Now, you don't have to pay that cost for 15 years, but it's a cost associated with this person's weekly pay. It's a liability. It's a liability. Therefore, you have to book that liability. It's supposed to. It has a cost this year.
SPEAKER 18 :
It's supposed to.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, right. Congress last year – Led by Democrats two years ago, Democrats said, no, no, you no longer have to accrue.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, these are guys that don't understand basic accounting principles, you mean.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Don't understand basic accounting. Or maybe they do, but don't want to. So despite the fact that they've relieved the U.S. Postal Service of the requirement to account for all of their costs, and all of their costs includes their pension and medical for their retirees, they're still losing $6 billion, even though they're under account. underreporting or not accounting for the pension and benefit liabilities that are accruing every day. Every day, the post office is accruing liabilities that have to be paid in the future, and they're not accounting for it.
SPEAKER 18 :
And yet, if there was a company on Wall Street, by the way, that did something similar, they would be brought before Capitol Hill and questioned on that.
SPEAKER 10 :
In fact, John, I don't know if you're familiar with the term ERISA.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
The Employee Retirement Security Income Act. What used to happen is people used to come in and buy companies. Companies used to bank their own pension funds for their employees. And then they'd run out of money, and the company would go bankrupt, and the employees would get... So in 1974, Congress passed the ERISA Act that says, hey, if you have any sort of defined benefit plan, you have to put that money... into a trust account administered by a third party, and every year you have to have a third-party accounting firm verify that the amount of money in that account to pay future pensions is adequate, and if not, you'll have to cough up the money now, this year, to bring that pension and benefit account up to where it needs to be, which, by the way, doesn't apply to PERA. PERA is exempt, but all private corporations, if they have a defined benefit plan, are required under ERISA, 1974 Act, to literally not just account for, they have to account for and bank the money in a third party. Post office doesn't do either one of those. Post office is not accounting for it, and they're not banking the money. So as more and more postal employees retire, and they're living, and we all know because of advances in medical and medicine, they're living longer and longer. All they've done is kick the can down the road, John, and the annual deficit of the post office is going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.
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Real quick, I've got a texter that actually threw something my way, and they were surprised you hadn't called in on this yet, and yet I answered back as to, I believe, why. And that is right now this story coming out of the – it's coming out of Capitol Hill, but it's about the East Coast and the quote-unquote – and I put air quotes around this, folks, because I can't verify this, and I'm not going to repeat something I can't verify, but some Iranian ship that is sending drones – over the East Coast, and there's a particular politician back there, I don't even know the person's name, that claimed this is what was going on. Right now, for all of you listening, there's been really no solid proof that that, in fact, is the case. Now, what are these drones doing, and why don't we have more answers coming out of our own government? That's a whole other question, Joe. But do I personally believe there's an Iranian ship off the East Coast that's doing this? Frankly, Joe, I doubt it. I highly doubt that. So, no, I don't think that part's true.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, yes, we have one wackadoodle state senator who was on the news saying, well, I have information that there's an Iranian drone ship left port, you know, six weeks ago, and that ship is now anchored off the coast of New Jersey, and that's where these drones are originating from. Nobody's been able to validate or verify. This guy's basically repeating Internet rumors as well.
SPEAKER 18 :
He's been listening to Alex Jones.
SPEAKER 10 :
Listen to Alex Jones, so no credibility whatsoever.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sorry, Alex, but anyways.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. He made the evening news.
SPEAKER 18 :
All right, Joe, appreciate you, man, and thanks for verifying that also.
SPEAKER 10 :
You're welcome, John.
SPEAKER 18 :
All right, man, talk to you soon. Yeah, I wasn't going to spend a lot of time talking about that, but since somebody texted and asked, I thought I'd go ahead and mention that. And for those of you, please, I say this all the time. that are on social media, that like to post things to Facebook or Instagram or X or whatever it is. And some of you are listening to me right now. In this case, don't. Don't. Don't fall into that trap. It's not verifiable. As Joe just said a moment ago, he gave the explanation as to where that story is coming from. There has been absolutely no valid proof right now that that's what's happened. And I'm one of those to where until there is... I'm not buying it. So please, if you're somebody listening to me or you know somebody that will go down these conspiracy theory rabbit holes and will then post these things, please, for the love of God, don't. You make us on our side look like loonies when you do. So please don't post anything about that online. Because it's frankly, at this point, unprovable. And until it is, don't post anything about it. Bruce Simmons is next. What I can guarantee you of is that Bruce Simmons is our expert when it comes to reverse mortgages. They are right for some. They're not right for all. Find out if it is for you. Just call Bruce today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Sonny Kutcher joining us now from Young Americans Against Socialism. Sonny, welcome.
SPEAKER 17 :
Hello. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER 18 :
Always great. Always great to hear from you as well. And this, what you sent me and the story that we're going, or I should say the topic that we're going to talk about today, I have followed pretty closely since its inception. And for a lot of you that are listening that aren't in the business world, you may not have followed this at all. It may not be a big issue. But for those that are in business, this has been a big deal. And that is the corporate technology. transparency act and beneficial ownership reporting requirements. That's a mouthful, but that's something sunny that was passed and set into motion. I want to say over a year ago, and it may not actually be going the way that government wants. Let's just say it that way.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. This will be a continuing saga, especially to the end of the year. So I think that they started this January 1st, 2024 to the beginning of this year and, The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network began accepting, like you said, beneficial ownership information reports. I think about six and a half million companies or entities have reported this information that the government was requesting. But it does affect over 32 million other businesses that are out there. And so these reports were due by January 1st of 2025. And, you know, the national I think the National Federation of Independent Business was working on this lawsuit to stop this reporting requirement and to not allow a fine to be to penalize small business owners. So what they were what they were asking for is is This seems like government overreach. Of course, the Corporate Transparency Act, so that's the act through Congress that this was passed under, and the BOI, the Beneficial Ownership Information, is a report within that act that would require this report, obviously, from small business owners. And it says that this Corporate Transparency Act aims to combat money laundering, terrorism, tax fraud, and other illicit activities by increasing transparency of entity structures and ownership. Now, that sounds, you know, sounds great. We like to say it sounds great. Sounds great. But I think it's just, you know, if you're the kind of person who's going to believe that asking for. More information and more fines or more fees, rather, from small businesses, from the private population to the government. If you think that's going to stop crime and corruption, then you obviously don't understand that the crime and corruption is exactly what they're trying to do on the inside. Right. Government. Overreach is just riddled with corruption, crime, and nepotism, as we see. And so what they were requesting was your full legal name, course, date of birth, residence.
SPEAKER 18 :
I'm going to stop you just one second, Sonny, because prior to this, for all of you listening, one of the things that. A lot of – and one of the things that we believe in in the United States of America is that a corporation is its own being. And so it's – by the way, I don't want to spend all the time, Sonny, getting into the details as to why we believe that, but we look at corporations as their own quote-unquote person. And therefore – A lot of individuals or even other companies that might own a sub corporation have had the ability to, in some cases, anonymously own said corporation. And by the way, there's lots of reasons why somebody might want to anonymously own something, because the reality is, depending upon who that person is, they may not want their identity out there in the open being tied to a particular. We'll be right back. For all of you listening, that would be a naysayer and say, oh, yeah, no, we should be able to know. On the tax end of things, you do anyway. So the reality is when these corporations go to file taxes and do things along those lines, if government really wants to know who owns said corporation, they can. In my opinion, Sonny, this is nothing more than making things more public that, by the way, don't need to be.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, absolutely. And there's there's nothing in the Constitution that says that the government needs to know every single detail about a person's private business. And just like you said, there are so many reasons and not nefarious reasons that someone would not want their residential address to be connected to their business. I mean, maybe they want it. to be under their spouse or their child or whoever.
SPEAKER 18 :
They may want it under a trust. They may want a parent organization to own it. They may be somebody that's a public figure that, frankly, you take like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, maybe they don't want their name associated with said business for reasons of if they go to buy another business and people know that they are who they are, well, all of a sudden the price goes up and Again, Sonny, there's all sorts of reasons why individuals don't necessarily want to make it front and center as to what they own. And that's OK.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. And even more than that, the lawsuit also argued that this is just plain, outright unconstitutional.
SPEAKER 18 :
It's overreach of government.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, it exceeds Congress authority over the state. This is the state jurisdiction where the state needs to know, you know, what businesses are operating, who's doing what. And I think that makes that makes sense. But this is unconstitutional. It said they improperly compelled speech and contradicts the right of anonymous association guaranteed by the First Amendment and violates the Fourth Amendment by forcing the disclosure of private information. So the interesting part about this is that. Merrick Garland, the current U.S. attorney general, filed an appeal already against this injunction because the judge ruled that, you know, they had standing that this was going to go, you know, that he was going to to impose a preliminary injunction. And he stated that it would it would be nationwide and it wouldn't just be in Texas where this lawsuit is, you know, is. And so they are extending it to be nationwide because the business was a nationwide company. And so they're saying this is just like people's rights are being infringed upon in Texas. They're being infringed all over the country. And so people are really waiting to see what's going to happen if the appeal will be if it will overturn the ruling. or if the injunction will go through. So this is a really interesting one, and I do, as you said, a lot of business owners and people, you know, who are in that industry are going to be following this very closely. I think that they're going to ask for, you know, they ask for your information, like a passport, driver's license. Right.
SPEAKER 18 :
You literally are. I've looked at the form. I told all of my clients, and I myself was waiting to see how things would work out, and even told all of my clients, do not do anything until we get very, very close, to the end of the year, because I had a gut feeling, Sonny, that some of these things might happen, especially if Donald Trump ended up winning the election, which he did. So I advised all of my clients not to fill anything out until we got towards the latter part of the year, which is where we're at right now. But yeah, to your point, they were asking all sorts of things that, frankly, it's none of their dang business.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. And that is why the American economy succeeds. That's why we created our intro to socialism curriculum to talk about the benefits of economic economic independence versus a socialist. system where the government is the one who makes the rules and you have to abide by them. When you have government overreach and issues like this where the government is trying to get information, whatever their motives may be, it creates more obstacles, more hurdles for business owners. It incentivizes stagnation and decline versus growth. prosperity, allowing people to have the freedom to choose what they do, how they do it, what works for them. That's what makes this country great. That's what makes our country free. That's what makes the people in this country able to succeed and prosper because they can actually accomplish the dreams that they have in the way that is suitable to them. And so when you have the government trying to Yeah, oh yeah, and by the way,
SPEAKER 18 :
Thank you for mentioning that because this was going to be a huge penalty. And that's what everybody was worried about is if you didn't get this thing filled out. And it's why, by the way, millions of businesses, because they're, I guess, fearful and or their knuckleheads, went ahead and filled this stuff out on the front side. I was not one of them because I was bound and determined not to do it. In fact, I was waiting for somebody to not do it, you know, get to January 1st, not do it, and then fight the $500, you know, per day fine that they were going to try to, you know, throw on to everybody. individuals businesses and so on i was waiting for that as well i mean sunny this is absolutely the definition of overreach of government and even then the fines for what you would you know that you would be uh you know that you would be levied with if you didn't fill this out was basically highway robbery absolutely and then more than that uh
SPEAKER 17 :
They don't need to have all that information. It's completely untraceable. Who's organizing this information? I mean, we know that the government doesn't do things very efficiently or economically. That in and of itself is just a disaster. Then you have all this information floating around out there that doesn't need to be out there. And, of course, I think that this is just completely unconstitutional. Meanwhile, you have millions of people coming into the border. You can have illegals voting without a passport. You need one to run a business.
SPEAKER 18 :
You don't need an ID to vote, but I need one to run a business.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. Which you've which if you own a business at this point in the game, you've probably already done all of the report. I mean, you have a current existing operating business, you know, so your information is probably attached to that business already. It just seems so completely redundant and unnecessary. And that's why I think that what's deeper is. under this is the need for more information, more ways to, you know, get the American people over a barrel and get more information from them, the ability to catch them, find them, do all of these things, and wait until a court is, you know, has the cojones to actually put a stop to this. And thankfully, we did have a judge willing to do that who still has, you know, a moral compass and knows what is a constitutional order.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. No. And again, at the end of the day, Sonny, this is the things that you guys, Young Americans Against Socialism, you are fighting against. And for all of you listening, maybe you've only heard Sonny today. Maybe you've only heard her a couple of times in the past. Sonny, you guys are literally, the way you're fighting this is you're doing your best to educate mainly young people because it's young Americans. But really, I've downloaded the material. If you want more, let me make sure I say this right and choose my words carefully, Sonny. If you want the ability, to stand firm on facts and be able to debate in the public realm all of what we talk about here on a routine basis. Sunny, the best way for people to do that is to download your material.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. And also just to learn, to learn information about how other people live in communist countries. You know, that's why what really informs our work is the stories, the stories that we get to tell about people who have escaped communist countries because they didn't have the freedom, the luxury of freedom that we have in this country. That's what informs our work. That's what drives us to educate young people because they simply don't understand they've grown up in this, you know, in this free country and we have so much at our fingertips, but that can be taken away just by little drips and drabs like this with the government attempting overreach. And so that's what's really important. That's what fuels our team and our curricula that we're creating. We have so many big plans and many more guides coming to teach young people. And like you said, anybody can use the refresher and we're really grateful for your audience for being there for us. And then this is really what, is going to help heal the country and have us embrace our freedom again because of people just having this information and talking about it and being aware so that they can speak up and stand up when it does affect them directly. I think it's amazing that someone stood up and said, hey, I'm not going to pay this. I'm not going to do this. This is just unconstitutional, knows their rights, and is willing to take a chance. And guess what? That's how the justice system works in this country. If you're willing to take the chance and stand up, And sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. But I think when it comes to the Constitution, those rights are protected and we have to keep fighting for them even when we feel like they're being infringed upon. And that's what fuels us. I also wanted to highlight, sorry to take a few extra minutes, but I just wanted to highlight our campaign that we're doing on social media. It's called American Made. This is why we really value businesses that have American values and believe in freedom, believe in the mission of spreading freedom and embracing that. If you are a small business on that topic, you're an entrepreneur and you'd like your business or your service to be highlighted on our Instagram to appreciate and value small businesses in the holiday season. We'd love to share, you know, your business and your story. So please feel free to contact us on Instagram at gas underscore America, or you can email us. myself, Sunny, S-U-N-N-Y, at yass.org. Or you can go to our website, too. So you can find us and get in touch with us, and we'd love to share your story and your business.
SPEAKER 18 :
And also, last but not least, if you guys are at the end of the year, some of you business owners, you're looking for a good tax deduction, you'd like to know, hey, where could I actually put a little bit of my money where I know it's going to go to good use and I'll get a benefit from doing so. You can also do that right on their website. Again, Young Americans Against Socialism. And I would encourage you to do so. Sunny, as always, I appreciate you joining us.
SPEAKER 17 :
Thank you so much, John. Always a pleasure.
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All right, we are back in a few minutes left of this particular hour. This Wednesday edition always goes fast. Health and wellness is fast, and then we start off with Richard Battle. Usually have a little segment in between, and then Sonny comes on. And for those of you, again, that maybe don't know Sonny Kutcher and Young Americans Against Socialism, it's a great organization. They're continuing to build what they have. They have the ability to speak to especially young people and have influence that, frankly, I'll say it, Old guys like me can't have. Now, I understand. I have some influence among some young people, although typically those are conservative young people that probably listen to me for various reasons and so on. But in general, I don't have the same reach that Sonny and her cohorts will have. I just don't. They have the ability to get into areas, even social media wise, that I don't have. So it's imperative. It's imperative that we help organizations like hers out because, again, they can do things that the majority of you listening and myself included, Charlie, we just can't do. And so I appreciate the fact that we've got the ability to partner up with individuals like her and have other young people that join us. from time to time. And as you guys listening know, I do my very best, not only with my own family and son, to get young people involved, but I want more young people involved because the reality is we won't continue to move forward with what we as conservatives and Christians want to do if we don't get young people involved. Unfortunately, the left has mastered that. They own education, as we know. In a lot of ways, they have infiltrated the church and even youth groups and youth ministries and so on. And so they have the ability through the education system to have a far more reaching influence than what we as conservative has. Now, I get it. There's a lot of folks like Charlie Kirk and others that go around the campuses and do a great work in this particular area. But the reality is we are behind when it comes to young people along those lines. And if young people really would stop, and listen to what the advantages are from one side to the other and really had an open mind and sat down and really thought about things, it doesn't take much to get them to come over to our side and think the way that we do because at the end of the day, we give them far more opportunity than what the left does, just like minority groups and so on. We, as a party and as a belief system, want everybody to succeed, regardless of your age, regardless of your sex, regardless of your skin tone. We don't care. We want all to succeed. Our message permeates that. The other side doesn't. The other side doesn't. The other side, it's all about control. And what can I get you to do for me? Much like we were talking to Sonny a moment ago about the business registration that the left decided to implement a year ago, roughly. That is just an invasion of privacy. It has nothing to do, by the way, has nothing to do with stopping crime. Zero. Zero. That Transparency Act and what they're – it's funny how they call it that, Corporate Transparency Act. Yeah, you already have ways of figuring out who owns a corporation. You don't need that. So at the end of the day, all that is is an invasion of privacy like we talked to Sonny about. And again, young people, if they were taught – Sit them down, have the ability to go through some of the things even Sonny and I went through during that last segment. Most of them, not all, but most of them would have a different look upon things and realize that, oh, wait, that's not what I'm being told. No, you're being told this is all about fighting crime, and it's not. So, again, appreciate Sonny. Young Americans Against Socialism, if you have the ability to donate and help them out any way, shape, or form here as we head down this final stretch into the holidays, tax-wise, it can help even individuals out. It is a 501c3 donation. It'll help you out on your taxes as well. We'll be back. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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In this enlightening episode of 'Rush to Reason,' host John Rush is joined by Jay Bieber, Executive Director of Policy at the National Motorist Association, as they delve into the complexities surrounding the Electric Vehicle (EV) market. They candidly discuss how government mandates and market dynamics are impacting EV adoption. The conversation reveals the reality that while subsidized, electric cars are not meeting the often optimistic expectations. With a focus on the practicalities of EV ownership, Jay and John break down who truly benefits and who does not in this rapidly changing landscape.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right. Hour three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Jay Bieber joining us now, Executive Director of Policy at the National Motorist Association. Welcome back, Jay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Pleasure to be back with you.
SPEAKER 15 :
I was reading today, and I know this is going to be our topic anyways, but I was reading today that in California and across the country, the government, whether it's locally or nationally, has spent billions of dollars and yet have very few charge stations installed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. That is true. Are you shocked at that, by the way? No. Do I sound shocked? No, not at all. That the government actually didn't do something efficiently? No. I'm shocked. Shocked that there's gambling going on.
SPEAKER 15 :
And, you know, these mandates. The other thing I was reading today is that, you know, Newsom is really having a hard time now with some of his California, you know, EV mandates. They're backpedaling on some of those things because the reality is, and it's our topic today, the reality is the demand for electric vehicles, shockingly, is not there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. That's absolutely true. I mean, here's the thing. No matter how much the government tries to mandate something or tries to muck up the market, the market's going to do what the market does. And if people don't want to buy something and it doesn't work for the majority of people, they're not going to buy it.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're just not going to. And the market for this has already been saturated. Yeah, really quick, Jay.
SPEAKER 15 :
For those of you listening, as we all know, Jay, there are in every industry and every type of product, there's what we call early adopters that want to go out. They've got the money. They can have the high tech and so on. Or they're curious about that particular technology. Or, you know, in my case where I wanted to learn about them so I could talk intelligently on air about them on the different programs that I have. Right. Bottom line, Jay, is there are those people that will adopt early. And in some cases, I hate to say this, but in some cases may give a false premise of, hey, these things are really taking off and they're going to do well. You probably ought to sit back for a moment and wait and see how that pans out, because there's always this bell curve of early adopters and then things fall off. And guess where we're at, Jay?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it is exactly right, and that's exactly what has happened with the EV market, because what we're seeing is that the initial market for EVs overwhelmingly composed of upper-income liberals. That's who bought the initials. So, California EV registrations overwhelmingly concentrated in the wealthiest episodes. The UC Berkeley study showed that close to half of EVs registered nationally over the last decade were clustered in the top 10% of the most Democratic counties nationally, over a third in the top 5%. And here's the thing. Here's what everybody should be really angry about. Not that those people bought cars. They were all subsidized.
SPEAKER 15 :
I was just going to say, they all got help.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. They got your tax dollars to help wealthy people feel good about themselves that they were saving the environment, which a lot of people don't necessarily do. Right. And you should be really angry that your tax dollars went to rich people, liberal or not, who want to, you know... who want to buy a new car that works for them or that they think works for them and make them feel good about driving around with an electric vehicle.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. No, you are spot on. Things that we've talked about on this program for some time, and I've had conversation after conversation, again, being somebody, Jay, that's owned one since 2020, and I did that early on just so that I could – I really wanted to be able to talk intelligently, you know, as a talk show host and as a conservative and as somebody that has an actual, you know, call in drive radio, we call it an actual call in car show. I wanted to be able to talk intelligently about things which I felt at the time no one on either side of the aisle was doing, you know. The left wasn't doing it well. The right wasn't doing it well. They were both wrong in some of the things that they were talking about with EVs. So I wanted to buy one and actually own it and know, okay, here are the realities of what this is like and what it entails and so on. And I'll say, Jay, that for some people, key word, for some people, they work extremely well. Are they something that 100% of the driving population can own? Absolutely not.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, and I mean, just the reality of it, just logically thinking about it. I mean, I don't know where you live, but for people who have their own home and can have a charger there, can charge overnight, that's really helpful. That really makes that much less burdensome. But let's say you live in an apartment building with a whole bunch of apartments. Not going to work. Everybody has an EV. How is that going to work? It's just impossible. And who is going to be living in apartments? For the most part, people who can't necessarily own their own home. So the poor people, the ones who are subsidizing this through tax dollars, and the people who can own homes and can be subsidized with the cars and the chargers, those are the people that are using the tax dollars. And here's the thing. You said it exactly. It works great for some people. I don't know how many cars you own, but for a lot of people, it's a great second car. For some people, it's their first car.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm a car addict, so more than I need. Let's just say that.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's like one of whatever your collection is.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm an enthusiast. Well, but really, and I've said this many times, and it's not to brag. I just need simple facts of, Jay, I'm a guy that is, of course, further along in life. I've owned multiple businesses over the years in real estate and so on. And I've got my own home with my own garage with... the fact that I'm handy enough to even install my own charge station, so I didn't have to pay the big bucks to actually have that done. I mean, I am sort of one of those owners where everything fits perfectly. I drive roughly 30 miles each way to work, and on and on we go. I mean, at the end of the day, it's about as ideal as it gets, but I'm not the typical car owner.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's true, but you also have other options for when you need something different. Absolutely. And that's why the free market should work for people who want it, and it's whatever, first car, second car, third car, fifteenth car, I don't know. You know, if that works for them, great. People should be free to buy whatever kind of car they want. It shouldn't be the government cramming it down.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, Jay, this includes even, you know, the fleet operators, which, you know, I am one of and so on. I mean, this includes those types of individuals as well. If they feel like for their fleet, it works well and they can. possibly save time and money and so on. At the end of the day, they have to do the math and figure that out on their own, but they should not be either A, incentivized to buy and or forced to.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And here's the thing. When people have a choice, we can see what their choices are. I was traveling over the holidays, so I was talking to a guy at a Hertz rental, and he was telling me, they can't get rid of most of their EVs because people didn't want to rent them. I mean, that just shows you what the market is. You take them, you put them out there, you give people an opportunity to rent them, they choose something else. That just tells you what the demand is.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. No, Oh, and you're exactly right. And on the other side of the Hertz thing, I had the opportunity at the Barrett-Jackson auto auction last year to sit next to some of those same executives, by the way, just ironically, and was asking them a little bit about some of those things. And that was a combination of not only what was in the rental fleet, but they did some big leases to a lot of companies whereby those companies thought, hey, this will be great for us. It'll save us money. Well, fact of the matter is, Jay, it didn't. And as you know, and the rest of the folks out there know Hertz ended up having to take a lot of those back and then figure out what they're going to do with them. And in turn, it costs them a boatload of money.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, exactly. And part of the reason is because repairs on an EV are more expensive than a regular car. Tires. The tires, the batteries, long-term maybe are going to be more expensive. Look, I still have my 94 Celica. It's running fine. I just rebuilt the rack and pinion on it. And it's a 94 Celica. It's a gas engine. I don't have to worry about replacing the battery battery. But not the electric battery on it. And that car will last another 30 or 40 years.
SPEAKER 15 :
You just stated something a moment ago, too, that there's a misconception of. And by the way, one of the biggest complaints that I have had is because most of the folks involved with EVs, whether it be press or even the guy at the dealership selling it. aren't informing people well enough of actually what they're buying. The reality is they are not maintenance-free. There are things that you have to do on them. They do even have fluids and things like that that you still have to monitor, maintain, and take care of. And yes, things still break, and there's accidents and so on. At the end of the day, it's not as rosy red as what everybody says. And Jay, to me, that's where a lot of consumers have done a disservice because the folks selling them aren't trained well enough in even the things you and I are talking about.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's exactly right. And this is why about 46% of EV purchasers said they weren't going to go back to an internal combustion vehicle. I mean, that's just, again, that's what's telling about what this thing is. And look, I understand that there are those in government who have this aspirational idea that we're going to save the planet by everybody buying an electric vehicle. But I'm going to tell you a little secret here, which is the really hardcore environmentalists They don't see electric vehicles as the, you know, the savior of the environment. They see you not driving and having a car as the savior of the environment.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right. You and your car are the things that need to be eliminated, not going to an EV.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 15 :
We are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Mike, you are next. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, John. I, uh... I retired last July, a year ago July, from the post office. So you're one of those liabilities now. Yeah, I am. And they took my machine away. I started out as a clerk sorting the mail on a machine, and then I moved into the maintenance side and worked on the magazine machine that put... that in sequence order and because it didn't work right good enough for them they got rid of it after 10 years so at a million dollars a piece for each machine they trashed all 110 flat sorters wow i am sure and i'm only guessing mike that you can give story after story of some of the waste and inefficiencies that you saw over your career am i correct Oh, yeah. I mean, when I first started there, you had to be a citizen for five years, and you had to speak English. Now we have people coming in here from Africa or the Middle East that are in-country a year, and they put them into supervision.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Is that not a security risk?
SPEAKER 06 :
You would think. I mean, when they had the... what, anthrax?
SPEAKER 16 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 06 :
They put in these big sorters to sniff for anthrax, and the thing about that, even if it picks it up, you won't find out for two hours because it has to be changed out every two hours.
SPEAKER 15 :
I see.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then they'll shut down the plant, and everybody's already been subjected to it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 06 :
I always thought that We should, as a country, just for instance, we'll use me. If I started working today, my Social Security should, 50% would go for my private retirement. Can't touch it until I get to X age. But that way, it would be there and the government couldn't take it. And then, The other one, 25% would be for those like me that are already on it until we all go away.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then 25% would be for... Future. Catastrophic.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I see. Okay. Sure, sure, sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
But that way, the biggest thing is to get it out from under... the thieves in Washington.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. What are your thoughts since you've been in the postal end of things, and this talk has happened, and I know that for the, you know, technically the post office is private, although it's a, it's kind of a quasi-government slash private organization. What if the post office went totally private?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, they'd have to, the problem with that is they don't get rid of the dead weight when that happens. I think it would work really well if you got some people in there that are there to get the mail out. But you have people, I had supervisors that would just go sit in the office for half the night. I worked graveyard. And you wouldn't see them until 4 o'clock when day shift came in.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, dumb question, what were they doing during that time?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, let's see. One was watching a basketball game or a football game, and the other one was... The other two were playing video games.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. So basically proving the point of what Joe and I were talking about earlier.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. It needs a healthy God through. And I feel sorry for the people. My carrier I have, she's only been with the post office eight years. And I feel real sorry for her because I don't know that we'll be around that much longer.
SPEAKER 15 :
Got it. Got it. Yeah, and for those of you listening, I have a great mail carrier. We are, I guess you could say, friends to a large extent. Mike, we'll do something for him for Christmas and so on, and we love our mail carriers, and it's not those guys that I feel animosity towards. It's the folks that you're talking about and just the inefficiencies and the fact that we as taxpayers have to subsidize that thing every single year. It's ridiculous. Shouldn't have to.
SPEAKER 06 :
They can't even keep new hires in the post office they work for especially on the street they work for a week maybe a month maybe two and they just say to hell with it and they leave If you go by any post office, you'll see signs up that says, we're hiring now.
SPEAKER 15 :
You're right. No, you're right. And I've had family members that have worked for the post office, so I know some of what you're talking about from the inside out, like you're saying, and you are not the only one like you that's ever said this. So reality is I've heard this story many times.
SPEAKER 06 :
I've kind of given the post office a nickname. I call it the United States Refugee Employment Service. Because they always, wherever we screw up a war, they bring those people in and put them into the post office. And it's been going on since Korea. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's some things I did not know. I mean, I guess I should have known that, but I've never had anybody directly say that before like you are.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I had people when I was testing couldn't speak English, so they had one of their – buddies who are Vietnamese translating to her, and they didn't kick them out during the test like they're supposed to because they had to translate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Interesting. Wow. I'm learning a lot. Again, Mike, just more proof that that thing needs a revamp, complete revamp.
SPEAKER 06 :
I always said that the post office should have an ad out there that says nobody goes where we go for the price we do anywhere in the world. But they never advertise like that because they don't want to piss off FedEx and UPS and all that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. No, you're right, though. You're correct. Absolutely. I can't argue with that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Mike, I'll let you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, appreciate that. Thank you for the update. Again, every time I talk to somebody that's internal like that, I learn something new. All right, one other thing I want to talk about before we go to Scott Garlis, and we'll do that here in just a few minutes. So hang tight. We'll get to Scott, and he's got some updates for us on what's happening on Wall Street, I should say. So you may have seen the news today, something we've talked about here a few times in the past because I never felt like the Kroger merger with Albertsons. I never felt like it should have had the scrutiny the FTC was giving it. It's ridiculous, actually. And I've talked about that. I've had interviews along those lines. And I'm not really in the grocery world any way, shape, or form, but I felt like that would have been a good merger. Let it go. Move on. Be done with it. Well, Albertsons has now backed out. They are suing Kroger for failing to win approval of their proposed merger. Now, I don't think that suit's going to go anywhere, frankly. And who knows, this merger under Trump might be able to be saved and rectified, and you may still see this happen later in 2025 or maybe even early in 2025. I don't know. I'm not privy to any of that inside knowledge. I would be hard-pressed to believe that Albertsons could win anything over Kroger, given the fact that this isn't Kroger's doing. This is a Joe Biden FTC that made this happen. And FTC, by the way, that has stopped numerous mergers, but yet have allowed some to take place. Sort of whatever they feel like should happen versus shouldn't happen. Not what's best for the consumer. It's more of what do they feel should be happening. And again, in the case of Kroger, we've even got our own stupid AG here in Colorado. And yes, I'll call Phil that. Phil Weiser. Guy's a moron. Tool, basically, has never tried a case in his life, and yet he's the AG of Colorado because enough stupid voters in Colorado voted for that clown. He's another one that got involved and spent Colorado tax dollars fighting this merger. Stupid. Have no business doing it at all. But yet our AG office in Colorado, I guess, just feels like money is endless, and why not spend the taxpayer money on this? He did. He did. and now really at this point, really wasted money because Albertsons has now pulled out because of what nationally the FTC, you know, what the feds did. Again, why we don't have more accountability, this goes back to even the whole post office conversation we just had a moment ago with Mike and then Joe earlier, why we don't have more accountability along these lines is, to where somebody like a Phil Weiser spending Colorado taxpayer dollars fighting something he has no business sticking his nose into, none, and yet did, and spent, I'd have to go look at what the total is, and that I hope would be a public record that we could go and see exactly how much money Phil wasted. on fighting the kroger merger here in colorado i don't know what that answer is maybe one of you out there who have a lot more time on your hands than i do maybe you could find out for me how much money we've wasted as a state fighting this which now literally just, I guess, goes away. We'll end up seeing what happens again under the Trump administration. I would be shocked to not see this get resurrected under Donald Trump. And I think Albertsons, by the way, they're posturing with some of this, I believe. They're probably trying to get a little more value out of this when it's all said and done, maybe. I don't know. I don't know what their their whole slant would be on this and why they're going this direction, because if they were smart, they just sort of kick back, sit back, I should say, wait and see what happens. And most likely under Donald Trump and a new FTC chair, which we will get. you most likely would see all of this go away and that merger would take place. So I think Albertson's number one is being very premature. I don't really know what their angle is here in all of this. I guess time will tell. But I believe, again, wholeheartedly that they're being very premature in this. And again, do I have a dog in the fight in this? No, I don't care one way or the other. I mean, it doesn't matter to me whether they merge or not. I think that typically in the I do know this in the grocery business. We've talked to Joe from Jersey about this many times. Their margins are thin. Anytime they can figure out a way to, you know, tighten things up, consolidate even and get more efficiencies in what they're doing. Yeah, they can actually make that work. And Kroger, being as large as they are, has the ability to help that out and even help some of the Albertsons slash Safeway stores do so. And I think they already had some agreements out there to where they were going to go ahead and take certain stores off and sell them to somebody else and make all that work in regards to the FTC complaints and so on. And I understand all of that. But again, at the end of the day, Albertson's pulling out now because they feel somehow slighted, I guess you could say, on the Kroger end of things. And, again, I think they're very wrong in doing this. They should have just sat back and waited a little bit and figured things out. But they didn't do that. So, at any rate. 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SPEAKER 15 :
All right. That time of the week, Scott Garlis joining us now and his company, Bent Pine Capital. Scott, welcome. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, John, I'm well. How are you?
SPEAKER 15 :
Doing very well. Appreciate you joining us. Hopefully we're not interrupting you. Sorry we got a little bit behind tonight, but I appreciate you joining us. All right, I saw today, and of course the news media gets all hyped up over inflation numbers, which I know you and I have talked about numerous times, and we've even gone into how they manipulate these numbers around and what the actual true numbers are. But explain for those listening, because there's a lot of hype around it today.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so what happened today was annualized CPI data came out. They showed 2.7% growth year over year. Now, that's actually up over the last three months from, geez, I want to say it was like 2.2%, 2.4%. Right. It was 2.4% just a few months ago. So what's really interesting to these numbers, to me anyway, is So the media is really locked into the accelerating growth, but they're not looking at the sort of the forward-looking projections of what these numbers are telling you. We're losing these really easy comparisons from late last year right now, and we're hanging on to these really difficult comparisons from the beginning of 24. But as we start to go out into March, and maybe April, we'll drop those numbers. And all of a sudden what it looks like right now is we could see inflation growth sub 1%, you know, within the next six months.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. So a lot of the hype, and I read some of these stories today, you know, oh, we're really doing our best to try to fight inflation, but it's not working. It's just, you know, it's just this number that just won't come down no matter what we do. And I'm like, oh, there's so many other factors in that. You guys have no idea what you're talking about.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly. It's really a big deal. Yes, it is starting to come down. And look, I think a big part of it, and we've talked about this a bit too, that inflation has proven to be transitory like the Fed originally said it would be. It's just taken longer to get there because, I mean, you know, we threw $2.1 trillion worth of stimulus at the economy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
We did that.
SPEAKER 15 :
We also had, as you know, and they've started to trickle down ever so slightly of late. And I think once Trump gets in office, they'll even come down more. But, you know, oil prices were not, you know, in our favor as far as some of this goes. And any time oil prices are up, so is everything else.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and then think about, you know, Russia has dealt with all these crippling sanctions since 2014 when they took the Crimean Peninsula. If Trump can negotiate some sort of deal between Russia and Ukraine, Russia's not going to take a deal unless all those sanctions go away. True. If that happens, you know, what's Russia's number one export? Oil. Oil. And natural gas.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oil and gas, yeah. Oil and gas.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and not to mention, let's not forget about what... aluminum is another big thing. And so, you know, what's Russia going to do? It's going to try to sell all that stuff on the open market that it can. And that's just going to drive those prices down a bit more and help inflation ease further. Now, I point that out for a couple of reasons. One, you know, there's this big thing like, oh, my God, if Trump goes after China and introduces tariffs, it could drive headline inflation up by 0.6 to 0.9 percent. Well, If inflation's running sub-1% right now... Who cares? Yeah, and we drive it back up by 0.6 to 0.9, it's still below the Fed's 2% target.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 05 :
So that's also important because not only that, but that also tells us, you know, the Fed funds rates around 4.7% right now, I think is the overnight rate.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think that's right, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so... You know, to come back to neutral, which the Fed is talking about, let's say we put this 1% on for Trump tariffs, we're 2%. They can still cut by 270 basis points before they get to neutral.
SPEAKER 15 :
True. Good point.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's a lot of economic growth. And so if I'm an investor... That doesn't mean the Fed's going to immediately cut by 270 basis points, but they have the ability to. So if the economy were to slow down at all, there's tons of room to help it out. If I'm an investor, I like that. Because that means the stock market can keep going for a while.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. And I mean, you know my feelings on that, and I do think they've got room. I think also one of the things the Fed never looks at, but yet we in business, small, medium-sized businesses especially, because we don't get the same deals that the big guys get, borrowing costs, whether it be on equipment, whether it be your line of credit, the reality is they're higher now than they were before. And because of that, and, of course, also the cost of labor is also up, those two things alone create inflation. Those are things that, again, Scott, I just – I mean, I get it. The Fed is the Fed, and these guys think they're smarter than the rest of us. But the reality is they're not because they never look at the things I just said as a part of inflation.
SPEAKER 05 :
So to reaffirm and support exactly what you just said is if you look at the real federal funds rate, which again is overnight borrowing costs minus inflation, and that's where you get that 200 basis points worth of room to cut rates. Well, if we go back and look at that historically, I've run these numbers. If you look at it from 2000 to 2020, sort of pre-pandemic and pre-crazy stimulus numbers, the typical real rate of interest based on CPI was negative 0.3%. That's massively different. And so, again, if you think of the Fed as trying to run interest rates at neutral, and this, I don't want to get too deep in the weeds, but the Fed really looks at PCE, which is personal consumption expenditures. It's a little bit different way to measure inflation. You know, the average... real Fed funds rate based on PCE on that same timeframe was negative 0.3%, so effectively zero. So again, the Fed has a lot of room to cut interest rates, and that's not a great story for CNBC to tell you, but that's what's going on. That's what can happen. Even if Trump does introduce these tariffs and they drive inflation up by 1%, 0.6%, whichever, you know, they still have a lot of room to cut.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. And we talked about this a little bit throughout the week, a little bit yesterday, even, Scott, when it comes to some of the tariffs and so on. And you and I have talked, and I'm a big one on most, not all, but most people that are anti-tariff are globalists. They look at things way different than even... You and I do. They are naysayers when it comes that they would not if they had their way about it, there wouldn't be any terrorists anywhere. And they could care less whether, you know, China runs rip shot over us or not. I know you know me. There is no love lost between me and China whatsoever. They have been a intelligent, you know, a thief. of our intelligence for 50-plus years now, and the reality is they are not our friend. Anything we can do to, in my opinion, cripple them and their economy, go for it. I'll take a little bit higher price here if that's what it means.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, China's out for China. That's right.
SPEAKER 15 :
They don't care about us or our people, any way, shape, or form.
SPEAKER 05 :
They don't. And the President of China, Xi Jinping, he doesn't have to worry about an election every four years. Xi Jinping's there for as long as he wants to be, more or less. And look, China's playing a long game. They're not playing a short game here. If they have one guy in there for 50 years, I doubt he'd be there that long. But he can affect these policies that stay around for a long time. Yes, and taking intellectual property, stealing it from people, and then building products not having spent the money on the R&D, and then going and crushing somebody else's property. That's just not the spirit of business whatsoever.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm here to tell you, Scott, that if we started cracking down on some of the things you and I just said, including even the corporate espionage and so on that China is very good at, if we started cracking down on that and they didn't have the access to the things that literally at times we just hand over to them – They would not be – I mean, they're not technologically as advanced as most people think. They copy and redo a lot of the things that they steal from us. If they didn't have that in the first place, they wouldn't be where they're at.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, China's economy really took off because of all the manufacturing business they picked up, gosh, you know, in like the 80s and 90s when it really started. And China turned around and started to weaponize that against Europe and the U.S. And I think Trump was the first person to really step in and say, hey, we're not putting up with this anymore. And it's, you know, China's economy is being crippled now because All of these companies that manufactured goods there from Europe and the U.S., they have left. And we talked about this years ago. When a company leaves, they're not coming back. That's a big investment, and they have to make a huge investment somewhere else. I think China's got some real economic problems for the foreseeable future.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. And, you know, we are doing not as quick of a job here as we should be. But eventually some of the things we've even started here, you know, TSMC as far as chips and so on. I mean, we're doing some things here, whether we agree with how it's been funded or not. At the end of the day, we are bringing some things here to make happen that those those sorts of things, especially, Scott, as you know, that does not help China out at all. In fact, doesn't really help. help Taiwan either, even though right now Taiwan's the largest manufacturer of that when it's all said and done. But if we get some of those things moved here and we start doing some things here along those lines, that affects those particular industries greatly, and China won't have the power they've got right now.
SPEAKER 05 :
They won't. And to your point, yeah, it really helps the U.S. as well. I agree. I mean, think about all the manufacturing jobs that would, you know, the skilled labor jobs that will pick up here in the U.S. because of that. And, you know, I can't tell you how many times I heard people complain about during COVID that, oh, my God, the supply chain. Think about all these medical products that were made in China that could have been made here. Well, We're being presented with the opportunity to have exactly that thing happen. So why would that be so bad?
SPEAKER 15 :
It's not. We should take advantage of that. I think Trump will make some of those things happen. He'll incentivize. And by the way, I'm a big one on if we can cut some of the just. you know total government waste that's out there you know doing studies in other countries we shouldn't be doing to you know some of the different things that we we just waste money on literally waste money i mean no offense scott the amount of money we spent on ukraine we could have tooled up and done all sorts of manufacturing here Thank you very much. I'm all in, and the reality is we could cut government waste in a lot of areas and put it into the things you and I are talking about. Whether that's right, wrong, or otherwise, and depending upon what your belief is on whether we should help private companies or not, that's irrelevant. The reality is we could cut in some places and do those things very easily.
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Yeah, and sort of going back to some of the China stuff as it relates to this, too. I mean, people don't remember, I feel like, all the time that a lot of these companies in China that are making these goods are government-owned, controlled. That's right. Basically, they're state-sponsored entities.
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That's right.
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So China is dumping tons and tons of money. They're not worried about costs. They're not worried about these things. You don't have to be. Yeah, and it's really an unfair advantage versus the rest of the world. This is why China is able to dump all of these goods into different markets.
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That's right. Exactly right.
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Because they don't care.
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That's right. All right, so how do folks find you and learn more? And as we look into 2025, we'll have another show here before we close out the year and head into the holidays. But how do folks find you?
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Join Dana Lash as she unpacks the Florida man's unusual weapon of choice and explores the recurring sword sightings across the Sunshine State. The episode veers into the world of women's basketball, specifically focusing on the contentious discourse about Caitlin Clark's stardom and supposed white privilege within the WNBA. Using her characteristic humor and unfiltered commentary, Dana delves into the complexities of race, sport, and media portrayal, ensuring a thought-provoking and entertaining listen. Whether discussing the absurdities of life or the intricacies of real-world issues, this episode delivers a heady mix of substantial conversation and levity.
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It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
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So a Florida man is threatened to light a homeowner's car on fire with a Molotov cocktail, said police in Cape Coral. A man was arrested over the weekend. Police said that he pulled out again with the swords. He pulled out a sword. Okay, stop, stop, stop. Full stop. Is that a thing in Florida? Every month I have two to three stories. They're brand new, different from each other, different parts of Florida where someone has a sword or a machete. Floridians, what is up? Do you all just like have swords? Is that a thing? What in the world? So this guy had a sword and a Molotov cocktail, and he wanted to make a point during an argument with a Cape Coral resident. Cape Coral police said that they got reports of a disturbance at the victim's home. They met with the homeowner, a 36-year-old man. He showed up in a driveway holding a glass bottle with a cloth wrapped around the top. He threatened to throw it, which he claimed was a Molotov cocktail at one of the vehicles in the driveway and lighted on fire. He also had a sword, and he used the sword to tap on the windshield of a vehicle during the exchange. It was all captured on video by Ring Doorbell camera. And the police located the guy. They asked him. He said, no, I just I went to go ask about the disrespect to a family member. And then he was arrested, taken to Lee County Jail, charged with violating the law that they have about manufacturing firebombs. OK, there you go. But the sword, though, and they was it actually Molotov cocktail? They never really said they never really confirmed that it was. But, you know, let's see this. This Florida man... Yeah, let's go ahead and do this. So... Apparently, I don't think this guy was supposed to be gator hunting, and he was. And it was a company that showed this guy and his friends, they went down to hunt some gators. But the guy's wife apparently did not know. And there's videos, but you can't, there's a lot of cussing in them. But the guy apparently was, his wife didn't know that they were all having a little boys trip and they were all drinking and hunting gators. And then a gator bit his hand. So he's probably going to have to come up with a story as to how to tell his wife. It was done by Salty Adventures. And this Isaiah Trujillo and his friends, they were hunting gators. And then he got his hand bit. And apparently he told his wife he was worried more about his wife finding out. And he had said in the video, don't wake Katie up, whatever you guys do. He didn't bite that hard. Like trying to hide it because he didn't want his wife to know he's out drinking and gator hunting. She probably would want to come. Stay with us. Third hour next. Our partners that help bring you the program. It's our friends over at Caltech. The P15. It stands for 15 pews. It's the lightest, thinnest, most easily concealable 9mm double stack mag that's on the market. And there's nothing else that comes close. They have two versions. Metal and polymer. Metal frame version has the really gorgeous wood panel. It has these wood grain panels that I just think give it a total... I was actually having a debate with a friend about what genre of James Bond. I say the Sean Connery, like 60s, 70s, sort of 70s, you know, maybe. James Bond. It's a great looking gun. The polymer version, gator grip texture. It comes with two standard capacity magazines. One's a 15 round minimal pinky extension. The other... is a flush fit double stack mag that holds 12 rounds as well. Tritium fiber optic front sight, fiber optic front sight, you get a fully adjustable fiber optic two dot rear. A lifetime warranty, super compact, great for concealed carry self-defense, whether you're a newbie or an old pro at it. It's more dependable, yet game-changing innovation from the people who literally created the micro compact pistol category. Innovation, performance, Kel-Tec. Learn more at keltecweapons.com. That's K-E-L-T-E-C weapons.com. Tell them Dana sent you. I wanted to touch on this because we missed it yesterday. Caitlin Clark, Audio Soundbite 22. She's doubled down. So Caitlin Clark came out and said that she felt like it was white privilege. That she ended up, she was saying that she somehow was the beneficiary of white privilege. And she doubled down on it in this soundbite. Listen.
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I think we have it. I always have had really good perspective on everything that's kind of happened in my life, whether that's been good, whether that's been bad. And then obviously coming to the WNBA, like I've said, I feel like I've earned every single thing that's happened to me over the course of my career. But also, I grew up a fan of this league from a very young age. My favorite player was Maya Moore. I know what this league was about. And like I said, it's only been around 25 plus years. So I know there's been so many amazing black women that have been in this league and continuing to uplift them, I think is very important. And that's something I'm very aware of. And like I said, I try to just be real and authentic and share my truth. And I think that's very easy for me. I'm very comfortable in my own skin. And that's kind of been how it is my entire life. Yes.
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So she says that she's admits feeling privilege as a white person and says that the WNBA was built on black players. No, it wasn't. The WNBA was the welfare recipient of the NBA. Nobody gave a rat's ass about women's basketball. Women don't even give a rat's ass about women's basketball. The WNBA was subsidized by the NBA. It is the welfare recipient of the NBA. NBA players and NBA viewers and NBA game attendees built the WNBA. Let's not pretend like these women who are in the WNBA built it. They can barely keep what was given to them. And then when they get someone who gets the eyeballs, they trash her and drag her down because they are a bunch of jealous bitches. That's the reality of it. And then they want to play victimhood and act as though everything's a racial hustle when it's not. She is one. What is her privilege exactly? And I know a lot of people are slamming her. And I just think that she is navigating something that no one has ever had to go through before. And that's part of what my point. How in the hell does she have white privilege when she is like one of she's a minority player in the WNBA? How in the hell does she have white privilege? They have been racist bitches to her since she got there. They have targeted her. They have smeared her. They have acted like she is less than. And to her credit, she's ignored it up until now. I mean, she's ignored it up until, you know, this point. So I don't know how she's considered privileged. She works hard and she has talent. But how is that a privilege? She works hard with her talent. I mean, this is... It's goofy. She gets athlete of the year, and then she has to apologize. I feel as though she's... Because she had said... She said, quote, I want to say that I've earned every single thing, but as a white person, there is a privilege. I disagree with this. And she says... She said a lot of those players in the league that have been really good have been black players. This league has kind of been built on them. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Again... Someone who is one of, she's a minority player in the WNBA on her team. And she has to admit to some kind of privilege. They can't just credit her talent. Like Time Magazine. They said Clark is cognizant of the racial underpinnings of her stardom. She says, I want to say the quote that I gave you, but the fact that she says that, oh, yes, the racial underpinnings, Time Magazine and writing about her, the racial underpinnings of her stardom, the racial underpinnings of the WNBA. Nobody watches it. She's I don't know. She just is like a beaten dog. But at the same time, she's never had to navigate. Nobody's ever had to navigate anything like this in the WNBA or anything like this. A female. Nobody's. This is kind of new. It's very new. But she's allowing herself to be bullied at this point. And there are players of a different race that did not generate the eyeballs that she generated. They did not generate the interest for the league that she generated. And they feel like they and they're they're trying to other her. They're trying to say that the only reason that she's talented is because of some sort of privilege. Being white doesn't make her play better. Practicing hard and working hard does. And she has a natural born talent that is entirely unrelated to her skin color. She just happens to be a white girl. But no one can credit her talent. Because no one wants to admit that she just might be a better player than Angel Reese. Or she just might be a better player than some of the other women on the teams in WNBA. They can't say that. So they have to discredit her talent by saying, oh, well, white privilege. The hell does white privilege have to do with being naturally talented at basketball? I suck at basketball. Love basketball. Love watching it. Love watching it. And I always wanted to play it. But I'm not very good, Cain. Where's my white privilege? I was told that I would have privilege. Look, as badly as I wanted to be on my school's basketball team and I never made it, I was varsity everything I did but basketball for some reason. I have no idea why. It doesn't make sense. I did 18 years of classical ballet and then I was varsity everything I did from freshman on. Basketball could not do it. No idea why. Where's my white privilege for that? Right? I wanted it. Isn't that how it works if you're white and you want it? Don't you automatically get it? Cain, how does white privilege work? Isn't that how it works? You're white adjacent, though, 50%. So I don't know.
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Yeah, I get a 50% card. 50% privilege.
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But the other 50% of you, what privileges have you gotten?
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Gosh, I don't know.
SPEAKER 04 :
You haven't gotten any privileges?
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Not that I know of.
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But wait a minute. I'm told that if you're white, you get all these special things.
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Yeah, I don't. They only see the non-white half of me, apparently.
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You played football, right?
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Yeah.
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Were you a better football player because you were white? Half white?
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No, I don't think so.
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It didn't give you any kind of special superpower?
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No.
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I mean, I always thought that you played worse. Remember the Woody Harrelson movie, White Men Can't Jump? That was huge when I was a kid. And I remember looking at that title thinking, I wonder if they can't. Hollywood. Just saying. It's true. Do you feel bad for her? Caitlin Clark?
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Do I feel bad for what she's had to go through and all of that?
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Do you feel like she's been browbeaten into this?
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I think so. I think so. She literally just wants to play basketball. She just wants to get along with everybody. She just wants to have fun. And everyone else is thrusting her in these directions and making her do these things. It just doesn't seem, just like anybody who doesn't do anything that comes naturally to them, it doesn't look right. And it doesn't feel right.
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Lorraine says that she feels like she's saying this to make the other girls on the team feel better. Yeah.
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Probably, because she wants to get along with them.
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How lame are the chicks in this league? If you have to have this woman lie prostrate in front of the media to make you feel better, I'm going to say something mean. I've already said it once, but these women are... They are... I read lips.
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I didn't know I was a lip reader until just now.
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It's that white privilege. Uh... you would have been able to hear the voice in your head had you been full. I'm just saying that's how it works, right? I, she, Lorraine says that she's always lifted up her teammates, always been very humble. She's always seems like she's tried to ignore this, but that's sort of notice. And this is how it is. And it doesn't matter if it's Caitlin Clark or whoever, this is why I'm like never been in need of the rage mob because they don't care. She's never going to be forgiven. She is the original sin of being born white. I mean, that's how all of her critics and all these people around WNBA are acting like. Maybe if you bitches could play basketball a little bit better, then maybe she wouldn't be getting all the attention. Maybe if y'all were half as talented as she was, then maybe, oh, I don't know, maybe you would get more advertising dollars. Maybe you would get more sponsorships yourself. Instead of hating on her, all you women need to be thanking her for keeping eyes on the WNBA, which has been nothing more than a glorified welfare recipient of the NBA. And you all know it's true, bitches. You know it's true. I'm so tired of this stuff. They're a bunch of bullies. Grown middle-aged women being bullies. Women who are in their 30s being bullies. At some point, you need to grow up. You do. Dana's, people are going to be like, Dana, I don't like your language. I am not Dora the Explorer, okay? You're not sitting in church and this ain't PBS. I do feel bad for her because she's never had to navigate this. And I think that people who are trying to jump all over her need to slow their roll a little bit. I mean, I think the people who need most of the ire are the coaches and the league and her teammates. Those are the people that you need to be sharp with. Because I think she's just trying to navigate and deal with it. And she didn't come out and I think she, I mean, she seemed very hesitant when she was saying the stuff that she said. But if she thinks, though, that this kind of thing is going to make it to where they accept her and they celebrate her and they stop giving her grief. No. In fact, it's going to double. Because if they see a bleed, then they're going to come for more. That's how it works.
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And now all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's quick five.
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So the Guardian, which is the left. leaning POS over in Britain says that the college enrollment rate is falling at a concerning or the college enrollment levels dropping at a concerning rate. Fewer 18 year olds are enrolling, especially at four year schools. But the number of applications continues to grow. I think there needs to be a reworking of the college system entirely. I think it's absolutely stupid. It's a racket. I think that they try to charge you thousands of dollars to take stupid, idiotic humanities classes that do nothing to enrich one's mind, further one's education, or have anything to do with their major at all whatsoever. And I think that if any college receives any kind of federal money and they require these students to take these stupid courses as part of their... what their degree coursework, they should be penalized personally. I mean, honestly, it's really as stupid. The way we run higher education is one of the dumbest aspects of this country. It really is. And thanks left. Thanks for doing that. Thanks for consolidating all of the tuition and the loans and driving up costs for everybody. Tokyo adopts a four day work week because they're desperate that women have more kids. They do have a huge issue over there as it relates to their population size. Their population growth has been super slow. They said their fertility rate plummeted to a record low of 1.2 in 2023. super low fertility rate so they're implementing a four-day work week for their employees beginning next year offering them three-day weekends and family-friendly options and they said that they have to do it to support families also you know it's a cultural thing and an economic thing if you could have more families live comfortably on one income you would probably see more if you had lower taxation and less government spending you would probably see more able to make that choice. And I think that not just here in the United States, but I think that that goes for any country, anybody, because this is something that's affecting everybody around the world. Here they go. Here they're setting up the narrative. Telegraph, another left-leaning POS in Britain. America's economy risks massive Trump slump. They're setting Trump up. I told you this was going to happen. We both told you. Cain and I told you. We talked about this, Cain, what, for weeks. They're going to do this. They said, here's the first sentence. Donald Trump risks tipping the U.S. in a recession if he follows through with the promises made on the campaign trail. So for Republicans, here's why Doge is going to have and we'll talk more about this. Here's why Doge is going to have its work cut out for them. If even if they were to suggest all of these cuts to Congress, Congress still has to vote to implement them. That's number one. Number two. You see these headlines? That's just the start of it. If you have Republicans actually commit to austerity and reduce government spending and lower taxes, they are going to hammer the GOP with headlines like these. Absolutely. They're going to hammer them with these headlines. And look what happened in Greece when they just tried to implement austerity. People were riding in the streets. So, just saying. That's something to think about. This... Study says regularly posting on social media may worsen mental health in adults. Oh, I completely agree with that. I completely agree with that.
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Have you guys heard of TransBlind?
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In fact, there's most adults, I think, on social media. No, it is not a type of window blind. No. It's a new alphabet flag. Trans-blind is a trans-abled identity where someone desires to physically lose sight from an eye or from both eyes or to a physical non-blind individual who internally feels or identifies as blind without necessarily desiring to become... Oh my gosh.
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Why?
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I would say it's reality blind. Why do people... Why did they make a flag for people who can't see?
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That doesn't make sense, does it?
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I mean, that's just the first obvious question. If it's supposed to be trans blind, you're appropriating blindness. Why would you make a flag that they can't see? Like y'all didn't even try to put Braille up in this. What in the world? That doesn't make any sense, does it? There was a story that I found. Someone had shared. It's from a few years ago. Speaking of trans blind, this woman identified as trans blind. And back then, and this was in 2015, they called it body integrity identity disorder. Now it's just trans blind. What other people would call crazy. All right. You can put all these words and affix it to it. B is crazy. All right. 30-year-old woman in North Carolina. This is back in 2015. She had wanted to be blind since she was a little girl. So she poured drain cleaner in her eyes. Didn't get medical attention and lost her vision. She is now almost completely blind. And she says that this is the way I was supposed to be born. And they write in the piece, and it's Women's Health Mag that has the story. They write in the piece that she... because she wanted to be blind and she says it's the way I was supposed to be. They go, it's insane. And she suffers from a condition called body integrity identity disorder. And it makes people that they're supposed to be disabled. Like people who want to be paraplegic. That's a thing. That's a real thing. And so it's trans something. So this is trans blind. I think they call it transabled or something or trans. I don't know what they call it. It's an actual thing. I went down the rabbit hole. It's wild. So. What? I mean. I have no words, Kane.
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I don't have many more than that.
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I don't have any. I don't even. I can't even believe just. I mean, all they got to do. You don't have to pour drain cleaner in your eyes. Can't you just close your eyes?
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Close your eyes. You dummy. They sell those pirate patches, too. They sell pirate patches. You can get, not only for Halloween, but you can buy them at the medical store, too.
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Yeah.
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Get those eye patches.
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Get you an eye patch. It's super simple.
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And then if you ever feel like later you want to reverse this trans-blind desire, you just take the patch off, and then you're good.
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Why doesn't anyone over at Cane, as you know, go, I'm a trans-billionaire? Right. I identify as a billionaire. Give me my money.
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Give me my plane.
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You're hurting my mental health by not giving me a billion dollars.
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Where's my FAA authorized takeoff on my private plane?
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Where's my G6? Come on. I mean, you see what I'm saying? Just give me the money or it's hurting my mental health. Why can't I say that and make that happen? Why can't any of you? I'm a trans billionaire. I'm saying that now. That's official. I'm identifying as a billionaire. I need my money to affirm my...
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wealth i just think you're dreaming small i'm a trans trillionaire and you you know whatever you're doing it's fine that's what you want to do but wait does that mean that that's a bigger identity box than mine yeah well what's after trillionaire quadrillionaire yeah okay can i be that it can be that if you want to i mean you're only doing it because i'm a trans no i really feel that way i really identify like that i feel like you're doing it just because i became a trans trillionaire
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Yeah, but you just can't become it. You've got to feel it.
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I feel it. I feel like you're appropriating. I feel like I'm becoming it.
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But I feel like you're appropriating, though. I don't know.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm not sure that's how it's going down.
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I love when people say that, too. When they're like, I feel like that's just them trying to soften the blow of bitchery. I really feel like, no, just say it. Just say it. You don't feel like that. Obviously, that's redundant because you're saying an opinion. So you feel that way. You moron. Stop saying it. Shut up. Transblind. Just close your eyes. Put a headband on. Get one of them headbands on Amazon. Pull it over your face. It would probably be an improvement for some of them. Just pull it over your face. There's this crazy invention that they made. I don't know when they made it, Cain. But it's really amazing. Real modern, right? I guess they don't have them where these people come from. But it's like a pillow shaped like sunglasses and it has a strap on it. And you can put it on your head over your eyes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Some people use it when they sleep, you know, to get the... I take it on red eyes. It's an amazing invention. These people should meet it.
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pretty common invention though, right?
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No, no, these people don't know it exists. I mean, they're willing to pour bleach in their damn eyes for crying out loud. They don't know it exists. Clearly. How many flags are there? Hang on. I'm afraid to look at this.
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It's unlimited, I'm sure, right? Just like the genders is unlimited, its flags are unlimited too, right?
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Oh, well, there's just pride flags also. That's like a whole thing. There's like 72 gender flags. And I know that the Department of Defense had put out something a little bit ago where they had, what were they talking about? They were mentioned some kind of, like, it was like some kind of woke flag that they had. And they put it out. And I'm like, why is the DOD doing this? Like, you want to know why you have problems with recruitment? And all this other stuff. And they put out something for what was like a trans flag whatever day. I don't even know. I don't even know. But they said that there's... I don't know what a demiflux is or a gender puck. But these are things. 72 flags. There's 72 flags. They said there are 72 different genders. That's 70 more genders. I don't even think that the people who say that they're one of these genders know what the hell these flags are.
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No, but there's not one person that could identify all of them and recognize them on site. Like, there's so many.
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I mean, what is the point of it? And then everybody wants government. They want government preference. Oh, there's mirror gender. Do you hear about this? What? So this sounds like a really bad superpower to have. You're changing your gender type based on the people that are surrounding you. It's like mystery men and completely lame powers that don't serve anybody. Like the guy who can be invisible, but only when no one's looking.
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It's like a gender chameleon.
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Yeah, you can change your gender type based on the people around you.
SPEAKER 03 :
So if I'm next to a woman, I can identify as a woman? Yeah. And if I'm next to a guy, then I can then identify as a guy?
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Yeah. That's stupid. I don't know about the magic that makes you morph for frankenbeans or not, or have it demorph. Is that a word? Because it can be. I mean, hell, if they can create a flag, I can make up words. Why not? Everyone's Lewis Carroll today. I don't understand some of this stuff. Some of it, I don't know. What's going to happen in the future when people look back? When we look back on people in the dark ages, what are they going to think when they look back on us? These people couldn't even figure out their genders. Look at all their flags. Everybody has to have a flag. You could not tell me. All the people who advocate this, they could not tell me what all these flags stand for. 72 different ones. This is dumb.
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Join host Tony Perkins as he broadcasts from the heart of Jerusalem, welcoming listeners to the new year with spiritual insights and encouragement. This episode dives into exploring how a deeper knowledge of God's Word can guide us through 2025's challenges and seize opportunities. Interviews with guests like Cheryl Chumley provide a window into the role of faith in media and politics, while Tony emphasizes the importance of understanding biblical teachings as we navigate moral and cultural decays.
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from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
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Well, Happy New Year and welcome to Washington Watch. I do hope and pray that this new year is off to a great start for you. It's just starting, so I hope it's great. Well, for those of you who are watching, you can see I'm not in my studio in Washington today. I'm actually... overlooking the city of Jerusalem. If you're listening on radio, you're just gonna have to take my word for it. Well, on this New Year's Day, I want to step back from the daily news cycle that we cover here on Washington Watch. It's been an intense year, all right? This past year has been intense, and I'm just gonna have to tell you, 2025 is going to be intense as well. But I want to focus today on something that will... Well, frankly, it'll guide us through the challenges and the opportunities of this coming year. And I wanna challenge you and I wanna encourage you to deepen your walk with the Lord in 2025. That's what's gonna help us grow stronger in this year and overcome the challenges and seize the opportunities. And the best way to do that is to get to know the Lord better. And how do we do that? We do that through His Word, the Bible. And what a more fitting place to dive into than right here, with what God has written in his word in Israel. I mean, I'm standing right here where the Bible was written and it is a fascinating place to be. I always love to come to Israel, but you know what? You might not be able to come to Israel, but you can dive into the word of God and you can read the truth that came forth from this land. And I'm pleased to be joining you from Israel. the studio of actually our first television broadcast partner, His Channel. And Dennis Swick and his team have opened their Jerusalem studio to us today, and we are very, very grateful. Every time we come to Israel and we broadcast, we do it from their studio, the His Channel, and we're just grateful for them. Well, as we find encouragement in getting into God's word in 2025, we have a great lineup of guests for you today. One of the more challenging places to openly embrace a biblical worldview in America today is in the traditional news media. I mean, it's just it's you don't see that. It's kind of discouraged even among conservative outlets But God's Word instructs us to be salt and to be light and my first guest Cheryl Chumley has proven she is up to the task at the Washington Times where she wears a few hats and And she's going to join me in just a moment. Later, Dr. Keenan Curitan, Vice President of Christian Resources at the Family Research Council and the editor of Stand on the Word will join me to discuss what FRC is making available for anyone that would like to dive into studying the Word of God in a very easy way. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about how you can get a copy of the Stand on the Word journal. In fact, I'll go ahead and give you a head start. Text the word journal to 67742 to go along with the Stand on the Word Bible reading program. Then at the end of the program, I'm going to be joined by a special guest. Here on set, Daniel Cohen, the news director of Real Life Network is going to join me and we'll get his perspective on how the Bible is literally coming alive here in the Holy Land. Not only does Daniel frequently share the news about what's happening in Israel, he does it from Israel where he and his family live. So we're going to hear from him what it's like to be a follower of Christ here in the Holy Land. site tonyperkins.com and again let me give you a couple of things to uh you're going to want to follow up on to join the bible reading plan you can text bible to six seven seven four two that's bible to six seven seven four two and to get a copy of the journal that goes along with the reading don't have to have it but it's helpful text journal to six seven seven four two all right my first guest today Cheryl Chumley, who, as I mentioned earlier, wears a few hats at The Washington Times. She serves as the online opinion editor and commentary writer for The Washington Times, as well as the host of their podcast, Bold and Blunt. She's also a bestselling author of several books, and her next book actually comes out in the next couple of weeks. It's entitled God Given or Bust? Defeating Marxism and Saving America with Biblical Thoughts. truth. Cheryl, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining me on this special day.
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Good morning, Tony. It's so great to be with you. Happy New Year to you all.
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Thank you and Happy New Year to you as well. In Matthew 5, beginning of verse 13, we read how God has called us to be salt and light here on the earth. We aren't called to retreat to places where we only commune with like-minded people 24-7. Although we need to have that fellowship, but it's kind of like a huddle. We get to plays and then we go out on the field of life. You know, as someone who's been working in the traditional media, some compare your role to like living in the lion's den. You have frequently expressed the importance of your faith in God and the role that that plays. So I just want to start off with our interview in talking about What role has the Bible played in you living out your life in a very public way?
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That's a great question. And just to put a little context to it, I come at reading the Bible on a daily basis from a background of atheism, agnosticism, and not reading the Bible at all. So I've lived and seen both sides. And I can tell you, When you read the Bible, one of the first things you get is clarity, right? Clarity for your spiritual walk, but also clarity when you look at what's going on in the world today, which is chaotic at best, more evil than anything. And you try and make sense of it. The Bible shows you clarity. how to deal with issues that crop up in your life every day. And insofar as using the Bible in my media coverage, it just basically shows me everything I need to cover that's important to bring to light So readers and listeners and watchers of the news can make sense of what's going on in the culture and political world. So first and foremost, it's clarity. Second off, it's peace. It's peace to go forward and say what God wants me to say without fear of any type of consequences from humans that I need to fear.
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Now, Cheryl, when you cover a lot of the news and things are happening very rapidly. There's a lot of bad stuff happening all over the world. Would you say that the Bible, as you're in the Bible, in your personal study and devotion, that it helps you make sense of what's happening in the world around you?
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ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN AMERICA WITH THE MORAL DEGRADATION, THE CULTURAL ROT, THE POLITICAL UPHEAVALS, THE HOT POLITICAL DIVIDE, AND THEN YOU EXPAND THAT AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD, REALLY YOU CAN FUNNEL everything that's going wrong in the world back to people straying from God. All roads lead back to God. And if you want to make sense of anything that's taking place in the world, from the transgender issue to the to the rising tensions in the Middle East? The answer is that people have strayed from God and they're not walking in the path that he laid for them in the Bible. So when you can see things that way, it really brings a sense of peace because then you know how to best fight the battle. If everything is wrong in the world because people have turned away from God, then the way to make everything right in the world is to lead people back to God.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And with that understanding, there is a, as you said, there's peace. We lose the anxiety. And it's not, you don't have to be involved in the big issues of the world. It applies to your world. It applies to what's happening in your world, what's happening around you, whether it's in the workplace, at the home. Just having that biblical understanding and guidance, applying those principles, you know, as Philippians 4, says, you know, we should be anxious for nothing, but by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let our requests be made known unto God. I want to go to what you just talked about, because really that sounds like that's the heart of the book that you have coming out called God Given or Bust, Defeating Marxism and Saving America with Biblical Truths. And in fact, my good friend, Pastor Jack Hibbs has endorsed that book. And you're talking about America's way back. I mean, we're all excited. There was an election. That election, though, from my perspective, and correct me if you see it differently, Cheryl, feel free to tell me, but I think this election has given us an opportunity. It hasn't secured anything, but it's given us an opportunity. And as Christians, this is the opportunity to take those biblical truths and put them into practice.
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Yes. So it's not time to sit back and say, oh, good, we've got some conservatives now in the White House. We can all just go about our business and had our 401ks and buy that second car, third car or whatever. This is really the time for Christians to dig in deeper and look inward at what's been wrong in America for so very long. And it's not the THE POLITICAL WORLD. THE POLITICS HAS BEEN WRONG, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY THE ROOT. THE POLITICS JUST REPRESENT WHAT WE HAVE ALLOWED INTO OUR COUNTRY AS A PEOPLE. AND WE HAVE ALLOWED SO MUCH EVIL TO TAKE OVER AND TAKE ROOT AND So now we have time because we have a president in the White House who is going to take care of things like the economy and foreign policy and even touch on the transgender madness and so forth. But we as Christians have time to really turn back to God. You know, we talk about every time there's an election, the Christian community needs to repent and pray and God will hear us and heal our land. Well, we too often forget the idea of repentance, right? That's the actual turning from our sin. And there's still so much sin that goes forth in America that we as Christians have allowed to go forth without fight. Now's the time to go back, revisit those sinful behaviors and sinful agendas, and actually fight to turn back from them. And one way we can do so is stop allowing the idea that gay marriage is actually a thing. There is no such thing as gay marriage. Males cannot marry males. Females cannot marry females. Marriage is defined by God. So maybe we could pick up the new year with fighting that narrative and actually fighting effectively to define marriage in America as between a man and a woman.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, as you say that, Cheryl, I was thinking about in the next few weeks we're going to hear a lot about reconciliation from a budgetary standpoint of Congress working with reconciliation to undo some of the things the Biden administration did as a new administration comes in. But You know, we can do all of the financial rearranging that we can do, and it's important. I don't want to diminish that at all, but it's true reconciliation, the spiritual reconciliation of returning to God, as you said, repentance. That's the kind of reconciliation America needs if we're to get, if we're to be great again, quite frankly.
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It is. We have to stand for the right things, even if the wrong things have become the trend and become the norm, right? It's very easy for evil to seep in and then become accepted and then become normal, and then the next generation just accepts that as godly, even. So we need to look back at what's going on in America from the LGBTQ agenda to abortion to... you know, the acceptance of immorality in our politicians even. And we need to take a strong stand on that and not just roll over and say, well, someone else will deal with it. If not the Christian community, then whom?
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And it starts with the word of God, because that is truth. That's our source of strength. That is the standard by which we live and we measure things. Cheryl Chomley, thank you for joining us. Happy New Year. May the Lord bless you in this year to come.
SPEAKER 16 :
God bless. Thank you.
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All right, folks, stick with us. We're coming back with more of this special edition of Washington Watch on the other side of the brick. Dr. Keenan Curitan joins me as we talk more about Stand on the Word and how you can join us on this journey through the Word of God.
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Welcome back to this special Washington Watch as we begin the new year 2025. We are delighted to continue journeying together through Family Research Council's Stand on the Word Bible reading plan. This is actually our third journey through the Bible at FRC. I've done it multiple times with my family prior to that. But this two-year reading plan was created here at FRC. We launched it back in 2020 to encourage people. to read through the Scriptures daily and begin kind of a new habit of intentionally abiding in the Word of God, knowing God better, hearing from God, and then obeying God. You can't just hear it. You've got to actually do it. The Lord said, if you love me, you'll keep my commandments. You know, and it's never too late to start. We're halfway through this journey, but we're starting into the second half this month. You can be a part of it. It's never too late to join. And joining me now to talk about this is Dr. Kenan Curitan, Vice President for Christian Resources and Editor for Stand on the Word. Kenan, welcome back to the program.
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Happy New Year and great to join you, Tony.
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Well, so I'm here in Israel. Behind me is the city of Jerusalem. And, you know, talking on this program, I get Daniel Cohen's going to be joining me in a minute. We're going to be talking about, you know, how the Bible has really just come to life when we look at what is happening around the world today. I want to talk about how we can have confidence and peace in these times by being in the Word of God. But before we get to that, let's talk a little bit about the mechanics. How can our listeners join us on this journey?
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Well, we've got a lot of tools, Tony. You know, we started out, you know, back in 2020. It was amazing that God gave you the vision to do this right before COVID started and what a godsend it was. But we started out in 2020 with a calendar, just a simple downloadable calendar app. that is available as a PDF for download and print or for purchase and can be sent by mail. And we're still offering that Bible reading calendar at frc.org forward slash Bible. But then we developed the website, the web property. And when you go to that website, already mentioned the site there, frc.org forward slash Bible, you'll find a user-friendly format that offers the verse of the day, the reading for that particular day, including an audio version for those who want to listen to the Bible in a distinguished voice. And of course, you can scroll back or you can scroll forward if you need to catch up or if you want to look ahead. And then also on that page, you've got a couple of questions for daily discussion. And don't worry, you don't have to be a Bible scholar to answer those questions or a theologian. All you have to do is read the text and the answers will be pretty obvious. But these are great accountability tools, especially when you're reading the Bible together as a family. And of course, you'll notice on Sundays, though, that we have a debrief day. And that's where families and friends can gather and have a conversation about what God said to them over the past week. And I think that's one of the best things about the whole plan. But, you know, the truth is a lot of people get bogged down when they get to say Leviticus or Chronicles. And so we've got a couple of encouragements to help people continue on that journey. And they can sign up for help to stay on track. And one is, you know, simply text the word Bible. to 67742. And if you sign up for the text message, you'll get a weekly text message on Sunday evenings with a link to the entire week's worth of readings and questions. And another way is to sign up for the daily email on that same webpage. And when you sign in, you'll receive daily emails with a link to the reading and a couple of questions for daily discussion. So we've got a number of tools and we've got more if you want to discuss them.
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Yeah, there's plenty at the website, frc.org slash Bible. Lots of resources there. Plus we have the journal. And if you, maybe you use the journal in the first part, you might wanna use the journal in the second part. You can text the word journal to 67742, 67742. And we'll send you a link so that you can get that. I wanna go back to the structure for just a little bit. You brought up the Sunday. So the readings are Monday through Saturday. It's broken down into a two-year reading plan so that these are bite-sized chunks, 15, 20 minutes a day. But Sunday, the reason I wanted to focus on that is because I'm here in Israel as we're recording this in advance of January 1st. That idea came to me as I was having Shabbat dinner here with some Jewish folks a number of years ago. And it was just fascinating, the conversations that were taking place around the table. And so to facilitate that in this Bible reading plan, there are no readings on Sunday. It's simply a conversation as a family around the dinner table about the readings for the week, what the Lord may have shown. We've got questions that will kind of prompt that conversation about how did the Lord speak to you? And Kenan, I'll just have to say, as I started this number of years ago for my own family, that has been one of the highlights of just having the conversations about the application of God's word and watch my children over the years grow in their understanding of the word and its application.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. I think that's one of the great things about this plan. You know, there are a lot of different reading plans out there. This one is unique. As you pointed out in other broadcasts, it's chronologically prioritized. In other words, it takes you through the Bible as events happen in history as far as possible. But it is, as you point out, a two-year plan. And one of the things that we found out and gotten great feedback on this is And advantage of that is that people are reading the Bible in these bite-sized chunks, and it only takes about 10, 15 minutes. And actually, people are sticking with it, which, you know, with a one-year plan, you got this huge chunk that they have to bite off. And then that Sunday, you kind of get that breathing moment where you can just kind of pause. And then you gather around with either family or friends and have that discussion and go deeper. And that's really part of the power of this plan to me is there's great spiritual synergy when you have a group of people who are going through the same section of Scripture and God is telling each of them different things. and it's great to learn from one another. I mean, you grow and you get deeper, not only in your relationship with the Lord, but also with one another.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, and it could be as a family, maybe you're single, it could be a small group, but it's designed to encourage one another in this journey together. Kenan, we're up against a break, so we're gonna hit pause for just a minute. I'm gonna come back to Dr. Curitan. as my guests will continue our conversation on the other side of the break. But if you would like to join us in this journey, text the word Bible to 67742. That's Bible to 67742. Or go to frc.org slash Bible and join us in this journey through the word of God. Don't go away. We're back after this.
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america has entered a critical and vulnerable period from now until january the 20th join family research council for operation prayer shield a 10-week prayer initiative for our nation from now until january 20th our country faces global challenges a transition of leadership and a lame duck session of congress This season calls for heightened spiritual vigilance, discernment, and prayer. Text the word SHIELD to 67742 to join us. You'll have access to prayer points, scripture, prayer calls. Text SHIELD to 67742. Unite with us and pray for our nation. Welcome back to this special Washington Watch New Year's Day edition. As we're focusing on the word, you know, there's a lot of things you can do in 2025. But I'll tell you one thing that will make a huge difference in your life, and that is to go deeper in your knowledge and understanding of the Lord. And how would you do that? Spend time with him. How do you do that? Prayer. and in the Word, abiding in Christ. And we do that through our prayer, through times of prayer, dedicated, committed times of prayer and study of His Word. So we're talking about that as we talk about Stand on the Word, our journey through the Word of God. And helping me in this journey, this conversation about the journey, Dr. Kenan Curitan, Vice President of Christian Resources here at the Family Research Council. Kenan, thanks for sticking around. Absolutely, Tony, my joy. So let's talk about the journey. Let's talk a little bit about some of the feedback we've got. You made a little bit of reference to this earlier, but we've gotten a lot of feedback from how this has impacted people's relationships, it's impacted marriages, it's impacted lives. The Word of God is powerful.
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It is. You know, I've been encouraged. I've got like 13 pages of small print feedback here. And I know you have even more than that. But I'm just I'm looking at some of this. And, you know, it's interesting, you know, the different ways that people are using the plan and the impact it's making. I love this one of this young family, you know, thank you so much for your ministry. Our family is ages six through 16, or the kids are, and they've been reading through the daily readings and we like having Sundays to catch up. FOR A NIGHT WHEN THE TEENS ARE BUSY AND WE LOVE THE FAMILY TIME AROUND THE BIBLE. IT HAS UNITED US. WE LOVE THE QUESTIONS AND EVEN OUR SIX-YEAR-OLD TRIES TO ANSWER THEM AND WE READ THREE VERSES APIECE AND THE SIX-YEAR-OLD READS JUST ONE VERSE AND I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW REWARDING IT'S BEEN. SO THAT'S A YOUNG FAMILY THAT'S READING THE BIBLE TOGETHER. AND THEN HERE'S A CHURCH GROUP OF SENIOR ADULT LADIES. I'M READING ABOUT THEM. THEY STARTED A SMALL GROUP AT THEIR CHURCH. senior adult ladies that are reading through the two-year plan, and then they meet every Saturday to discuss. And then we also know about pastors who are taking their entire church through the Stand on the Word Bible reading plan. And the testimonies have really been encouraging to me. You mentioned growth. And, you know, I've read about a number of people who have basically said, you know what, I've tried to do this a number of times and just got frustrated and stopped. And yet, you know, they've done it now. They've been able to go through the plan. And, you know, one guy, 69 years old, says, I've tried several times to get through the Bible, but stopped because it seemed overwhelming. And, you know, thought I had to be special or blessed to be able to do it, but having a plan like this to do it in bite-sized pieces is the key. But, you know, one of the things that—one of the ones that I saw that was just incredible, Tony— This lady named Paula said, you know, I've struggled to truly meditate and apply God's word during the week. Now I wake up every morning eager to get out of bed, read God's word. I make notes, underline verses, gaining understanding from the truth each day. And I can feel God's presence with me as it's like he's sitting in a chair right beside me. She's writing, his presence brings a warmth to my heart like nothing else can do. The word is becoming deeply engraved on my hard drive and intimately intertwined in my heart. And the Holy Spirit reminds me of things when it's time to speak up, strengthens me when I'm being tempted, helps me lean into him when things get tough, comforts me in anxious moments, and compels me to pray and share him with others all during the week. You know, that's just, that's one snapshot from Paula there that's just so encouraging to me that the way that they are, people are walking with us in this journey through the Bible and deepening in their relationship with the Father. It's so encouraging.
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And as we've kind of modified this over the years as we've been doing it, it's designed to encourage, and we've got many tools available, including the daily devotional that's online that I do that is not designed to replace, but simply to complement the reading itself.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. I know one thing you really stress in these devotionals is don't just watch the devotional. You know, read the word first. But that devotional has been the source of a tremendous amount of encouragement for people as well. And, you know, I think it's a real sacrifice, I know, on your part to do it daily. But, you know, there are about 10 minutes They offer essential commentary, some really insightful explanation, and some timely application from the Bible. Monday through Friday, people can read the Word and then hear the commentary. I kind of compare it to when Philip met the Ethiopian eunuch on the road down back home, and he's reading Isaiah, which is where we are right now, and he came up on Isaiah 53, and he's reading, and he says, I'm really not getting this, and Philip asked him if he understands, and he said, how can I unless somebody explain it to me? And those devotionals, Tony, I think, are serving that purpose. They're helping give that explanation, which is tremendous, so thank you for doing that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, thank you for your help on editing all this and keeping it moving. And folks, if you'd like to join and be a part of this text Bible to six, seven, seven, four, two, and you can join us keen. And thanks so much for joining us and good to see you from here in Jerusalem.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. Thank you so much, Tony, and happy new year to you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Happy New Year to you as well. All right, folks, don't go away. More to come from here in Jerusalem. Daniel Cohen joins me next. Don't go away. Hello, I'm Tony Perkins, President of the Family Research Council here in Washington, D.C. Behind me is one of the most recognizable buildings in all the world, the U.S. Capitol. What does it stand for? Well, most people say government. But do you know the Bible talks about four institutions of government? Do you know what they are? And do we have a republic or a democracy? Well, what do you say? Also, what about this thing, separation of church and state? Does that mean Christians shouldn't be involved in government? Guess what? We address those issues and more in our new God and Government course. I invite you to join us to see what the historical record and the Bible has to say about government. Join us for God and Government.
SPEAKER 11 :
Let's not be discouraged. Don't lose heart. Don't lose the faith. Stand now strong because the Lord has given us the great privilege of living in a time when our choices matter, when our lives matter, when our courage matters. So let's stand together and save this great country. God bless the United States of America.
SPEAKER 02 :
The American Republic has a freedom like no other. It has roots in the scriptures far more than any other heritage. And if we as followers of Jesus and conservatives don't defend it, who will?
SPEAKER 01 :
Neutrality is not an option. There are many Christians who believe that if we just keep our heads down, if we just don't say the wrong thing, that somehow we will come out of this unscathed. You're naive if you think that, because what they want from us is not our silence. What they want from us is our submission.
SPEAKER 12 :
Part of the dilemma of Christianity in our generation is that we've relied a little too much on human wisdom and human reasoning, human strength, human resource, and we've relied too little on the power of God and God's ability to open doors that we can't open and do things that we couldn't even hope to begin to do.
SPEAKER 06 :
This may not be an easy task, But we are living in a moment of challenge, but also a great opportunity. And we know always that we are not alone, that His Spirit empowers us and protects us. and that he could do the unimaginable. Dobbs, after all, was never supposed to happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
Father, we thank you. You have entrusted us with this moment in history, and I pray that we would be found faithful, and that as a result of our faithfulness to you, that thousands, millions would come into the kingdom as they would experience the forgiveness of sin and the new life that is found only in Jesus Christ. Amen. Welcome back to Washington Watch. If you're watching Washington Watch today, watching on TV, you can see that I'm not in the studio. I'm actually here in Jerusalem, and I'm here with a good friend of the program, Daniel Cohen. Daniel is the news director of Real Life Network, and he is a frequent guest on Washington Watch, and he often joins us here from Israel. He also joined us stateside back for the election night coverage, the 2024 election. But now it's great to be on your turf, Daniel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Some home turf, some home cooking. Have you had some, have you eaten a little bit while you're here?
SPEAKER 14 :
I've had a little bit of everything. A little shawarma, a little falafel, right? A little bit of everything. That's good. But just a little bit. Good. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Well, this is a beautiful day here as we overlook the city of Jerusalem. And Daniels, we're moving into the new year, encouraging people to be in the Word of God. And you and I have actually talked about this on the program a few times, how we're watching the Word of God God come alive.
SPEAKER 08 :
They're leaping off the pages, what you just said. Isn't that right? Yeah, 2025, I think this is the time of, this is right now the time of year when people are thinking about sort of a reset, right? I want to do this. We make resolutions. Oh, I want to eat better. I want to work out more. I'm going to lose weight. Why not add more Bible reading, right? Why not add that? You know, I would admit, and I want to say, I've never read the Bible cover to cover the one-year plan, but my wife and I and our family, we said, we're going to do that this year. We've started, we've kind of done that this year, but we're kind of laying that down saying, this is the year we're going to do it. And there's a plan that we're joining with our local congregation. So, you know, when you say the words of the Bible are leaping off the pages, I mean, look at what's going on in Syria. Just literally, not long, miles that way, right? Look at what's happening in Damascus. And when we talk to people here in Israel, some people have, you know, limited knowledge of the Bible. Some people that are, they say... Is this revelation? You get that, right? Is this revelation? And my wife and our family, we say, well, what does that mean? Just revelation. Do you know what the Word says? Do you know? Isaiah 17 says that Damascus will become a heap of ruins. So you have to know specifically what the Bible says because right now, I think this is a prophetic moment that we're living in, a historic moment, and I don't think anybody out here should miss it.
SPEAKER 14 :
In my time in Israel, a number of meetings with government officials and others, and there's some me, this is my sense, and you're here more often, you live here, but my sense is there's a growing understanding among the Israelis of the Bible and their special place in the Word.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. And that should reinforce the fact that as Christians and as evangelicals, we have to know the word because there are people here in Israel, there are Jews, it's a Jewish book, right? The authors of the, it's a Jewish book, but they don't know what it says. And when you point out to them, hey, did you know that Isaiah says such and such? Did you know that the Hebrew prophet Micah says the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem? Did you know that Zechariah says he would ride into this city that we're standing in front of right now on the back in the fold of a donkey? It says that? Yeah, it says that. Right. And so it's important for us to know that because I think Jewish people are going to be looking to Christians, to evangelicals, not just for how they love to love. You know, we should be loving Jewish people well, but so that we can affirm. And so we can also kind of be a voice of reason, say, guess what? Israel is going to be OK. Exactly right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. And for us as well, be anxious for nothing, but by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let our requests be made known to God. How do we know to do that unless we're in the word? That's what the word of God says. It's very interesting. I was in a meeting with my friend, Mayor Yossi Dagan, who is the mayor of Samaria, that regional council. And his team was giving a presentation to the group that I was with. And there was in the group, this was just a friend of someone in the group and was joining us for dinner. She's an Israeli, grew up here, went to school here. And after he made the presentation of Judea and Samaria and all of the things that occurred there, Mount Ebal, Mount Gerzim, the tomb of Joseph, all of these different elements, she goes... I had no idea that was in the quote unquote West Bank. Right. And this was someone in Israel. And as you pointed out, they don't, there are some that do not know the rich history of this land.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. And, you know, something that God's really been putting on my heart, a real simple phrase that I know you'll know and recognize, keep your lamp lit. Yeah. Keep your lamp lit, especially right now. I'm very hopeful for what's coming. Obviously, there's a new administration that's going to be taking over on January 20th. President Trump is coming back. And just the initial moves that he has made right after the election, the first week, two weeks after, we get Governor Mike Huckabee, who has been tapped to be the Israeli ambassador. He chooses his words so carefully. I've heard him in an interview. He doesn't say the West Bank. He says Judea and Samaria, right? He says he's for a two-state solution. Create another Palestinian state anywhere in Jordan or anywhere outside of Israel. I mean, he's very careful about what he says. But Pete Hegseth, the defense secretary, he even spoke from the King David Hotel, which we can see almost, yeah, right here as well, talking about how he could foresee the temple, a temple on the Temple Mount. Wow. I mean, these are big prophetic things. This is not a small thing. And I'm encouraged to see. I'll just say this, Tony, that I don't think President Trump coming back will make everything right. But I think he will set something straight between Israel and some of the neighbors here and not bring about necessarily peace, although he could. But I think things will become more peaceful.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. A managed peace, but it's an opportunity. Yeah. But the opportunity is afforded to the church, to Christians, to believers, to be praying into this situation. But to pray, we need... The Word says when we pray according to the will of God, we know that He hears us, and if He hears us, He answers us. How do we know the will of God? Unless you've read the book. You've got to be in it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, you have to read it. If you're not reading and if you don't know what it says... I know a lot of people... will get on Facebook or on Instagram or on YouTube. You have to be very careful with those things. My kids have a phone, right? And they'll watch something on YouTube and my son will say, hey, daddy, did you know that Ezekiel said such and such? And I said, oh, really? Oh, maybe you saw that on YouTube. You better back it up and you better know. And you shouldn't take your pastor's word for it. You shouldn't even take mine or Tony's word for it. You should know what the word, I'm holding up my Bible app on my phone, but you should know for yourself what the word says so that you can be discerning.
SPEAKER 14 :
So let's talk about what's happening in this region of the world. I mean, so much has happened in the last year. And you're here reporting on it. So you're very informed on what's happening. And as we, you know, we're recording this ahead of New Year's Day. So we don't know. I mean, stuff happens so quickly here. We don't know what the world is going to look like on New Year's Day. But given what we know and what is unfolding, how... Should we be looking at Scripture? You know, where should we be looking and what should we be praying?
SPEAKER 08 :
That's a great question. Look, I think that you should be praying for the peace of Jerusalem, and that's Psalm 122. And I know that, okay, that's almost a given. Almost. Because I know a lot of people will ask, just start there. You know, if you live in the United States somewhere and you say, I love Israel, maybe you've been here, maybe you've never been, at least you can send up prayers to the God of the universe, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because this is his land. He made a covenant. He didn't make a covenant with the United States. He didn't make a covenant with any other nation except the covenant that he made with Israel.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'm going to stop you at that point because I think that's so important. And I've told this, I told it to the prime minister when I met with him. I've told this to other Israeli officials and just friends here. I think America's future is dependent upon Israel. Israel is not dependent upon America. Wow. Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
And when I hear and when other Israelis hear prominent people, even in the United States, but there are Christians and evangelicals around the world that say that Israel has been replaced, that there's this replacement theology going on. Listen, if you go to a church and your pastor is telling you that, leave that church. Leave that congregation, leave that church today because they're leading you down a path I promise you don't want to go on. I can point over and over to scripture where God again says, this isn't the nation, this is a covenant nation. Jeremiah, he said, unless the moon, the sun, the stars, when those things cease to exist, that's when I'll break my promise to you, Israel. It's not going to happen. Israel has not been replaced. He will fulfill the promise. He will keep his word because he's God. He can't lie. But your question about the dynamics here, Tony, and what's going on, be praying for Israel. But there's been a shift here. Let me tell you what that shift is. Hamas has been decimated. Hezbollah has been devastated. Syria fell in a matter of, it was November 27th, and it took two weeks' time.
SPEAKER 14 :
And no one anticipated it. Right. In fact, in speaking with some of the high-level officials here, they said, we were surprised.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. They did not know this. Right, exactly right. So in just that little time, so Syria has fallen, but there has been a shift in the defensive mindset in Israel. There are Israeli forces that are operating on the Syrian side of the Israeli border. They're controlling about 370 square kilometers or so. Why is that a big deal? To me, that tells me, and I'm hearing other people in Israel talk about how Israel doesn't trust the UN anymore for security. They aren't trusting these international, the ICJs that are calling Netanyahu and trying to arrest him. Israel has said, you know what? We're good, rest of the world. We're going to handle ourselves. But they have the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and his hand of protection. And what could be better than that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, look at the evidence of what has occurred in the last, just say eight months. When I was here, and I'm not saying it's prophetic, it's just the word of God, but when I was here in March, I met with the prime minister, and I just happened to be in our Bible reading plan in the Old Testament, in one of the accounts where Israel was attacked, and so they responded and they took land. And I said, if you go through the scripture, it looks like every time that Israel is attacked, unnecessarily, unprovoked, that they take land. I mean, look where Israel is today. That is the right response. Sorry, did you want to say something else? No, I mean, just look at where they're at today. I mean, Hezbollah is decimated. Hamas is decimated. And then, you know, Yemen, the Houthis that were attacking, you know, they're smoldering. And look in the north where, as you were just talking about, they've taken back some of that land up there.
SPEAKER 08 :
That is exactly the right response to radical jihadi Islamic terror. That is the response, because Hamas, they don't care about civilians in Gaza. They hide weaponry in mosques, they hide them in children's bedrooms, they hide them in UN facilities. But when Israel responds, Israel doesn't respond and doesn't attack civilians. They try to kill civilians. Israel responds, and the Israeli response should be, okay, We're going to take this dunam. It's kind of a comparison for an acre, right? We're going to take this many dunams. Oh, your launch missiles. That is the response because what they care about is the land. That is what they care about more than human life is the land.
SPEAKER 14 :
Do we see patterns through Scripture, like when you read the Old Testament, patterns that we see emerging that are historical with Israel that are unfolding today? Wow.
SPEAKER 08 :
Great question, Tony. I'd have to think on that a little bit. I would say this. that what we're seeing here and the battle between Israel and its neighbors here, it is from the Old Testament, there is a spirit of Amalek, and that is the war that's going on. And in case you're wondering, and maybe it sounds like you're shaking your head, you know, Amalek was the... Abraham had a son named Isaac, Isaac Jacob, right? And so Jacob... Amalek is basically, look, God promises in the Bible, Amalek, the Amalekites attacked the Israelites when they were fleeing of Egypt, when they were coming to the promised land. And God said, remember the Amalekites. He told King Saul to annihilate all of them, even babies. And King Saul didn't do it. He lost his crown. He lost because of that. But the Bible says that the Israelites will be at war from generation to generation. Do not forget. And it's because of disobedience. Why do I say that? We have to obey. So if you're asking a big question about patterns, we have to be obedient. Not everyone is obedient, but there is a cost. There's a high cost of not being obedient. And that spirit of Amalek and what Israel is fighting with these multi-front wars, it's demonic, it's satanic, it's evil. But we see that pattern.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we do see that, Pat. And when we look at—I watched the raw footage of the Gaza invasion, Hamas coming in from Gaza, and this was footage taken by the terrorists, security camera footage that caught it. And when you hear what they said, because there's audio with it, and you watch what they did— I've been in the Marine Corps, I've been a police officer, I've been in many crime scenes. When you see this, you see it's demonic. There's no other way to explain this unnatural hatred for Israel, for the Jewish people, and what's taking place over this land apart from the spiritual understanding. And that's why it's so important that we're in the Word, because the Word tells us this narrative from start to finish.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. Oh, by the way, Amalek was the grandson of Esau. Sorry, it was on the tip of my tongue. I was just like, what's Esau? It's the son up here. Yeah, that's right. But what you're saying, Tony, I was in the first group of international journalists that were invited to see that Hamas massacre footage. I walked out after watching that 40-plus minute video. You know, it's actually worse. It's actually worse. And I know you've seen it too. I heard you say, right? IDF, my contacts and my friends said, Daniel, we didn't even show you the worst of it. And I said, what could be worse than chopping a baby's head off and baby's bodies? You know what? I don't have to repeat all that because I know that you know. I'll just tell you, it's actually worse than we know. But I picked up a microphone to do a live shot for Newsmax immediately after. And I could barely hold it together. I have kids, you have kids. And as a father, as a human being, no one deserved to die the way they did. But I got banned on Facebook. My Facebook has been banned even right now. I refuse to call Hamas anything but terrorists. I don't call them freedom fighters like some of my colleagues here. It's ridiculous. But it's worse. And I get called, oh, you're an actor. It's fake. It's AI. I can't believe this. You walked around the Gaza border. I mean, you were there this week. So it's like there are two realities going on. And all I can say is I think there are people that are open to the truth that maybe haven't been here and seen it with their own eyes. And then there are people that I think are just deceived.
SPEAKER 14 :
To not be deceived. Jesus warned us in the end days when he was describing to his disciples, when would these things be? Exactly. You don't need to know all that, but this you do need to know. Don't be deceived. Yeah. And he repeats that over and over because deception is so prominent today. With all the social media and with AI, all of that, we've got to be in the work. Daniel, we're out of time. Coming up at the end of the program, I've got to figure out how your hair doesn't blow and mine does.
SPEAKER 08 :
More hairspray. All right. More hairspray. Yes, Tony, it's the birth pains. And so I think there's a contraction and then there's another pulse and there's another contraction. Where are we now? I'll just say this and I'll leave it with this too. Pick up the word. It is the sword. It is how we fight. You have to know what the word says. And we have to expect that these labor pains. So right now it feels like there's a little bit more of a peace and a calm, but there's going to be another contraction. And so Israel, we have to be ready. Christians, evangelicals, the church, you have to be ready as well. How can you be ready?
SPEAKER 14 :
You have to know the Word. That's right. We've got to be in the Word. Be in the Word. Join us in the Word. Text BIBLE to 67742. Folks, that's all we have time for today. Happy New Year. Have a great year. May the Lord bless you as you abide in Him.
SPEAKER 09 :
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In this gripping episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush invites Harry Fisher, author and frontline paramedic, to share his firsthand experiences witnessing the unseen consequences of the COVID-19 pandemic. Fisher details harrowing stories from the front lines of medical care, challenging the narratives pushed by those in power and exposing what he calls a silent genocide. Engage with the discourse on societal and cultural changes brought on by the pandemic, as Fisher and other guests discuss the divisions and hidden mandates that continue to influence the lives of many. Harry outlines his journey from a paramedic witnessing unusual medical scenarios to becoming an author determined to bring awareness to the public. The conversation delves deep into the issues of censorship and the fear that binds not only medical professionals but society as a whole. How do we break free from a culture of silence and speak the truth? Tune in for a raw and thought-provoking discussion that dares to question the status quo while offering a beacon of hope for those who dare to stand on the front lines of truth.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Payton. Of course, Charlie Grimes, your engineer. Harry Fisher joining us now. As I said earlier, he would be author of Safe and Effective for Profit, a paramedic story exposing American genocide. Harry, welcome. How are you? Hey, doing well. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. By the way, you are in good company. We have been talking about some of these things literally since COVID has been going on. We've got a doctor, Dr. Kelly Victory. I don't know if you've heard of her, but she's been joining us literally every week and is on the front lines of a lot of what you are talking about. And I'm excited to hear from you, by the way, because it's not often we get to talk to somebody who's actually on the front lines, literally the way you are. So explain some of the things you actually saw.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, Dr. Kelly, she's great people. I talked to her with Dr. Drew not too long ago. Absolutely, yes. Good, but I guess one of the first things that I saw was the fact that people were dying in the actual Pfizer lines. That was what started my whole process of trying to wake people up. I was called out to a scene where someone died after taking their shot, and the nurse there actually said this is the second one in two weeks. So as far as I know, in that one line, two people died within two weeks, but that's the only ones that I know. I mean, that never made front-page news. You didn't see that everywhere else. So there's no telling how many people died.
SPEAKER 16 :
To your point, Harry, as you know, that stuff didn't fit the narrative of what the politicians and I really feel like the Marxists, that didn't fit the narrative, so there was no way they were going to let the public know that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, no, they're never going to let you know when they're killing you. I mean, at this point, I would love to say that it was an accident or just an experiment gone wrong. But whenever you start censoring people like me who are trying to go, hey, I'm on the front line trying to warn you, they're trying to kill you and you censor me, then that's intent. So they're trying to kill you. I mean, how do you say that nicer?
SPEAKER 03 :
Harry, did you notice a number of people in the medical community basically covering this up?
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm covering it up. They're just too scared to talk about it. Most of them are just way too scared. I mean, in the last three weeks, I've lost a job because I wouldn't give the COVID shots. And this is twenty twenty four. And they all see this happen. And even my friends that are in the field right now get a hold of me on the fly and they go, Harry, why do you keep talking about it? Well, because they're killing you and your family because they're still doing it. You don't have to take the shot anymore.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead. No, no. What I'm saying is your answer is because they're still doing it. That's why. Yeah, because it's happening.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, they're not mandating it anymore, but... But they are.
SPEAKER 16 :
They're not mandating it, Harry, but I know. I've been around enough. I've got some situations going on in my own family with my folks. My mom recently passed. My dad's in memory care. And I can tell you just from being around more of that than I probably ever have been or, frankly, Harry, want to be. I'm a car guy, not a doctor. But I have seen and watched and heard things and been around things that, to your point, it's not that they're requiring it, but they're still heavily pushing it.
SPEAKER 15 :
then they are still actually requiring it. Yes, they are heavily pushing it to your point, but they are requiring it depending on where you're trying to get a job. Like I've tried to get a job since I recently got fired for not giving the shots. I tried to get a job and they told me, unless you have your shot and an up-to-date booster, we can't hire you. So even though they need people to the tune of paying way too much money for people, they still won't hire you unless you're up to date on your poisonous booster shot. So that's still happening to this day.
SPEAKER 03 :
Harry, with Trump obviously nominating RFK, this is going to change lightning fast. This is going to do a 180 with the public, oh, come about January 20th. Are you a little surprised that there are still people costing you jobs over this? I mean, they see what's coming. They know everything they're pushing is about to go to rubble.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, no, I'm not surprised because you have such a division. I mean, you have the cult of the—you literally have the cult of the abort baby mindset, transgender mindset, take your poisonous Fauci shot mindset, and then you have people that are saying, going, hey, how about you go ahead and give real bodily autonomy, not kill people, but allow us to not take poison. So, no, there's such a great divide. that breaking through to the other side is going to take massive amounts of deprogramming. I mean, deprogram a cult overnight? I don't think that's going to happen just because RFK... That's right.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, they're in denial. Andy and I, after we're done with you here, we're going to talk about how the left is losing culture. And by the way, part of what you're talking about in this, in my opinion, is part of the reason why they are, because there are still a lot, we saw it in the election, a lot of sane individuals out there that know a lot of this stuff being pushed right now is absolute rubbish.
SPEAKER 15 :
Agreed. It's literally Munchausen syndrome meets Stockholm syndrome. You have basically brainwashed people that have been abused by the system completely and try to get through to just an abused spouse. Like I've ran calls as a paramedic on an abused spouse and try to get them to report their husbands. Try to get people to report their daddy government that's been beating them for all their lives.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, Harry, I can only disagree with you on one point. I think the medical community, a lot of them are silent on this, not just because they're afraid, but because they're activists. They are part of the cult that you're talking about. Yeah, they are part of the cult that you're talking about. They have been pushing this drug and pushing and pushing and pushing, and now they can't go back.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, no, they can. I mean, they poison themselves. I mean, imagine you're sitting in the middle of Jonestown, right, as they drink. They already drank the Kool-Aid, and you're trying to tell them, hey, guess what? That Kool-Aid was poison. That's where we live.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, yeah. And the other thing, too, don't forget, both of you, and Harry, you know this as well, Andy, you do also, that when you're caught up in all of this, It's really hard now, four years later, especially in the medical community, to admit I was wrong. I never should have done the things that I did with patients and so on. It's really hard to go back and admit that. Am I correct, Harry?
SPEAKER 15 :
That's completely correct because once they admit they were wrong, once these shots get pulled out off the market and they admit they are wrong, You're going to have lawsuits central. So they not only have the fact that their human ego is going, don't admit you're wrong, back in their subconscious. They have the conscious going, oh, God, as soon as I admit I'm wrong, all these people in my community that have died are going to start suing me. So they have a multifaceted reason for shutting the hell up.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, Harry, for those who don't listen to, John always talks about this on Thursday, but this is Tuesday. For those who don't hear that, they may be hearing you say, this is poison, this is poison. Can you maybe talk about just a few of the, shall we say, results that you have seen of people taking these shots and the boosters?
SPEAKER 15 :
I've seen anything from young strokes, young heart attacks. I ran a under 14-year-old playing kickball, just completely had a stroke playing kickball. I ran to the school. stroked out playing kickball, had their second Pfizer shot within weeks. I've seen so many bad things at this point, just singling out one. it's a sea of that.
SPEAKER 16 :
And you've seen a dramatic increase in this because of the shutdown. Yeah, that was my next question, Harry, because I know the answer, because as Andy said, I've been talking to Dr. Kelly on Thursdays, literally now for four-plus years, the first hour every Thursday. For those of you listening that maybe want to tune in on that, you can even go back and listen to past episodes all the way back through COVID. But, Harry, because of talking to her, I kind of know this answer, but tell the listeners— How many of those types of events did you see in your field prior to this?
SPEAKER 15 :
None. I've never seen a young stroke under 14 years. That wasn't a thing. You never saw young and healthy. You would see young children that were born with deformities or born just very rare. And that still was very rare that you would ever run those calls. Maybe once in 10 or 15 years you would ever see something weird like that. After the shots came out, you would see it consistently. Like the things that I've seen have been consistent, so much so that you were running to the same schools three or four times a day on an ambulance. Wow. And even all of us in the medical field were going. Like in the medical community, we would talk and be like, did you run any vaccines today? We call them vaccines.
SPEAKER 16 :
I love it, vaccines. Well, it's funny you say that because my wife and I, as all of this was happening and unfolding, you know, through COVID and so on, and once COVID ended and the shots came out and so on, what we noticed, we happen to live in an area of town to where there's a street not far and we can hear, you know, the different types of traffic that would go by, i.e. fire trucks and ambulances. And I will tell you that our population, yes, it may have grown some, although there's a lot of people now that are even working from home and such that weren't even doing that prior to COVID. So I would be one to say that I'm not even sure traffic Harry is what it was prior to COVID, at least here in the Denver area. So where I'm going with this is. we now sure hear and see a lot more of the ambulances rolling by than we ever did prior to COVID. And I don't think that's a coincidence.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not at all. During COVID, actually, we slowed down immensely. I could take a nap on the job easy during COVID. During COVID, most people were not going out. And our children's hospital in Oklahoma City, which is one of the bigger children's hospitals, it was completely empty most of the time. Whenever they started giving the shots and opening back up, it flooded. It was insane, the difference. So we were hearing on the TV, that's one of the first times I noticed how big the lie was, is when the TV was going, everyone's flooded and overran. And I was taking a nap. And then whenever they started giving the shots that were supposedly safe, we were getting destroyed.
SPEAKER 16 :
There you go. All right, the book, Safe and Effective, For Profit, The Paramedic's Story Exposing American Genocide. Harry, where can folks get the book?
SPEAKER 15 :
You can get the book at fishersbook.com or you can buy it on Amazon. I appreciate you getting it at fishersbook.com. Don't give Amazon all your money. But that being said, if you do give Amazon your money, I appreciate you buying the book either way and giving the info out there. And please rate the book out there on Amazon. That way we can get some info.
SPEAKER 16 :
Harry, thank you. We appreciate it. Appreciate what you're doing and even getting the word out there. And, again, we're very fortunate to have been aligned with somebody like Dr. Kelly even as a program and be able to have some of the insight and even then talking to folks like yourself. We've got to continue to get the word out because there's still a lot of people out there listening that have never heard some of the things we're talking about.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. She's good people, and she's actually in the book. She's a friend of mine, and she's in the book.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush. And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, John. Yes. The reason I bring up the culture is, and I'm looking for the article. Sorry, I've been kind of busy. Okay. It's all right. But there was a Democrat... who's in pretty high ranking. And he said, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He was working on the Kamala campaign and he worked on their, their, um, online stuff. Okay. And he said, this is when I knew that we had lost the culture. And in his case, it was because they couldn't get her booked on sports channels. And the Democrats have owned sports channels. In fact, ESPN has been to the left of CNN, MSNBC. It's Disney. Yeah, they're Disney. But even before Disney bought them.
SPEAKER 16 :
They were going that way that just got worse as Disney bought them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. ESPN had been full-fledged, all-out flat Marxist. Absolutely. And yet he realized, my gosh, we can't get her booked on these sports shows and hear Trump, you know, is being booked. And so they were wondering, he said at this point, he said, I realized that we had a real problem. I wanted to ask you, I think it's it started well before this election.
SPEAKER 16 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I would go back a few years. But when did you think when do you think Democrats started losing the culture? Because the Democrats have owned the culture for decades.
SPEAKER 16 :
When they started lying to people over COVID, a lot of what we just talked about with the last paramedic and the book that he wrote and some of the things we talked to Dr. Kelly about, that's not all of it, but that is a large portion of it. When people, Andy, and we've talked about this many times, people started realizing that, wait a minute, there's not been one death of a kid, and yet we've shut schools down, and I'm having to now basically homeschool my kid because the school and my tax dollars won't, and, and, and. We just keep piling on the things they started to notice.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and also parents started to notice that the teachers were really fighting against coming back to work. It was easy. Right. They want to stay at home. So all these teachers who are paid by your tax dollars and who don't have to compete for their jobs and get tenure, and they're stuck in there forever. Well, okay, that's college. But you know what I mean. I know what you mean. It's the same thing. Try firing a high school teacher. Good luck with that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Unless they've done some sort of criminal act, good luck.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, good luck. And they were seeing them not want to come back to work.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. So you take that, you take, of course, add inflation into it, which, again, even though she and the campaign wanted to blame all of that on Trump, people aren't that dumb, Andy. They can look back pre-COVID and say, well, wait a minute, I wasn't paying that much for gas and milk and eggs and bread and the staples that I have to buy, you know, laundry soap and so on. I didn't have to pay these exorbitant prices back then, but... But I am now. And wait a minute. You guys were in charge really through the second half of COVID. And we've now got this sort of inflation. And no matter what Kamala says on the campaign trail, you guys caused this. And yet you have nothing to fix this with. And then you pile that on top, Andy, of all the other things we just got done mentioning. And oh, wait a minute. Then let's add in. oh, it's okay for boys to play in women's sports, and it's okay to teach a kid that's 10 or 11 years old that they can change their gender, and, and, and. I mean, you add all these things on, and then you wonder why you lost the culture. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And look, I think there were a number of major, not minor, major steps. I think the way the left treated COVID is one of the major steps. Let me put one before it and one after it. Okay. True. Can't argue that. True. Then and you had a number of NFL owners who quite honestly leaned left. Now, a lot of them lean right. But the ones who leaned right were all silent. They never spoke on on politics. And the ones on the left could be outspoken.
SPEAKER 16 :
And really quick before any of you start saying, well, that means they just flip flop. No, keep in mind. No, no, no, no. Careers in the NFL, especially. Are very short. So the same people in most cases, Andy, there's more exceptions to ballplayers that play, you know, 8, 10, 12 years. That's rare. Most of those guys are two and a half, three and a half, four years, maybe max. So the reality is, no, guys, these aren't the same people that were kneeling that all of a sudden had some revelation and they're not kneeling now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Let me tell you what happened, John, because just this year we saw NFL players wearing MAGA hats, doing the Trump dance. Everything has changed. OK, it started with the kneelers. And here's what happened. Because for the first time ever. The right decided we will boycott. We will. And you and I, we're not for hard boycotts, but we are in favor of soft boycotts. In other words, spend your money where you want to. Yeah. Yeah. Spend your money where you want to look for other options. And when people churned off the TV and said, that's it. When you guys started because kneeling was promoting two things, anti-Americanism and racism. It was racist, pure racist. And until then, all of the conservative players had always been silent on their politics. They had. They were terrified. That's why Tim Tebow was so unusual. Not that he was political, but he was very Christian at the time. You could be Christian, so was Reggie White, but not political. Not if you were on the right, only on the left. Because what happened then, for the very first time, the players and the coaches and the owners were stunned at the backlash and the amount of lost revenues that they incurred. They'd never had this happen to them before.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, the NFL's always been on this upward trajectory, and in that particular case, they started to tank. They didn't tank fully, but they tanked enough to open their eyes to say, owners especially, saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, their numbers went down.
SPEAKER 16 :
We can't do this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Their numbers went down dramatically. And when players would kneel at the game, there would be boos coming from the crowd. They'd never experienced anything like this because the crowd is looking at them and saying, look, this is racist and it's anti-American. Now, that changed. And what happened also is that the NFL saw when they got rid of the kneeling what happened. The numbers came back. Everybody came back. Everybody's happy. Hey, man, just love America. We love you. You love us. Relax. Relax.
SPEAKER 16 :
And sports is supposed to be a place where this doesn't happen anyways.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right. Okay. Then the next thing, and this is after COVID, Bud Light. Yeah. Agreed. When they... They did not. You see, Disney had been going through some things. Obviously, you got the big year of Lightyear and Strange World when Disney lost unbelievable sums of money. Now, and Disney, Charlie just sent me a thing.
SPEAKER 16 :
There's an article today that he sent us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they're cutting back on their trends. Right. You know, ideology.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hollywood is learning, like the NFL, that, oh, maybe we shouldn't go down this path.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And why? Because as you and I have constantly said, hey, being trans means you literally believe you are in the wrong body. You're crazy. I'm sorry. There is no defending trans.
SPEAKER 16 :
You need some mental help.
SPEAKER 03 :
You need help. You literally think you're in the wrong body. That's crazy. And when Bud Light lost unbelievable amounts of money, Billions. Yeah. And then Target lost big money. Same thing. That sent shockwaves throughout the industries because keep in mind, corporate America had swung so far to the left. They felt they were untouchable. They felt that they could shove whatever they wanted on the American people and wouldn't matter. Here's what happened. What mattered is America stood up and closed their wallets. They closed their wallets with the NFL. They closed their wallets with those things. And meshed in the middle of that, they got angry because COVID, draconian COVID policies. It robbed them. Governors took over their lives.
SPEAKER 16 :
It robbed them. It robbed some of them of their small business. Yes. Some of them, it robbed them of their job. How many businesses? It robbed them of their kids' educations.
SPEAKER 03 :
How many businesses here in Colorado closed down forever because of Jared Polis?
SPEAKER 16 :
Far too many. Yeah. Once enough, Andy. Far too many, though. Right. And they got tired of being belittled and talked down to and so on. And then pretty soon, you know, this is the other thing that happened is they were told all the way through COVID, just follow the science, follow the science, until the science was proven wrong. And then they were like, screw your science.
SPEAKER 03 :
You guys are wrong. When COVID rifled through the vaccinated community. That's when things really changed. That's when a lot of people started saying, wait a minute. All my friends who got vaccinated are getting COVID. Okay. In fact, I got news for you. My friends who are unvaxxed seem a lot healthier than my vaxxed friends.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
America, look, I'm telling you what, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Hell hath no fury like a voter scorned. Voters were looking around saying, my government's lying to me.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and on top of that, Andy, let's not forget, as they headed down the stretch into the election. Yeah. All of what you just said, spot on. I did talk about the economy for a moment, but then you pile on the economy, especially now. Right. And you had her running around being asked, what are you going to do to fix the economy that, by the way, you've been a part of for the past three and a half years? And all her answers were, well, I was born in a middle class home. I mean, people saw right through that and said, well, what in the world are you talking about, lady? That answer isn't helping me put groceries on my table. Right. I want the old guy. But these are terrible candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. Let me add one last thing. Because the Democrats opened the border wide open for the first time, for the first time, people saw themselves actually being invaded. It was no longer a trickle under the carpet and so forth. It was right out loud in your face. They were taking over buildings. They were taking over everything.
SPEAKER 16 :
Like we saw the arrest today.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Job growth in America for the last year, when you take out the jobs going to immigrants, we lost jobs for the last year.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
People were just saying, what is going on? I think that changed the culture, too.
SPEAKER 16 :
Andy, I think every single one of these things that we have mentioned piled on top of one another. Is why, and if you're somebody on the left and you can't see this, which, by the way, I hope you don't. I hope you're so egotistical that you don't see it. Stay stupid. I don't want you to see this, but if you can't see this, you're blind as a bat.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Because it's right in front of you as to what's going on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. You know what really happened at the base of all the things we just said? Anti-Americanism.
SPEAKER 16 :
Freedom. Freedom is gone.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because the kneelers were anti-American. The COVID Nazis were anti-American. The Bud Light, that was anti-American, shoving down our throats.
SPEAKER 16 :
Immigration, anti-American.
SPEAKER 03 :
Immigration flinging open the border so we'd get fully invaded. Anti-American. And now what did they do on top of it? They're selling off parts of the wall for nothing.
SPEAKER 16 :
Let's not forget one other thing, and Kurt Rogers is going to join me Thursday, by the way, at 5 o'clock, but the fact that a lot of folks went from being able to afford a home to not being able to afford a home. Anti-American again, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, when they looked at the Biden administration, which was taking credit for lowering inflation, and all kinds of Americans are looking at them and saying, the only thing that's lowering inflation is you're jacking our rates through the roof.
SPEAKER 16 :
One other thing I got to add on top of all that that we haven't mentioned yet. Student loan forgiveness. Anti-American. And all those folks that either paid their loans or were paying their loans and wouldn't have had any kind of forgiveness were looking at that saying, what in the world are you guys doing?
SPEAKER 03 :
Or the plumbers and electricians who never needed a loan and said, my taxes are paying for this rich kid to get there. Correct.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's another pylon of being anti-American. Yep. So all of that combined. The message, really, let's say it this way, Andy. Why did the left lose the culture? Because they became so anti-American. They've always been anti-American, but they became so in-your-face anti-American that a portion, the majority of voters said, yeah, no, not this time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Why did the left lose the culture?
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, as we're back, I was reminded also text message-wise before we switch gears, Andy, that during COVID, don't forget the other thing that government allowed to be open They handpicked liquor stores, convenience stores, pot shops, big box stores, and so on. So they really handpicked the winners and losers.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, favoritism also drives away the culture.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. They hate it. Okay. So thanks for the reminder, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure. I got a new question for you here. Trump, it's different this time. It's totally different. Remember, last time in 2016, he won. It was incredible. However, immediately, it was all opposition. Everybody was weaponized against him. I'm not just talking about the Democrats on Capitol Hill. I'm talking about all of big tech, all of academia, all of Hollywood, all of everywhere. Right? Yes. This time is different. This time, everybody's coming to him wanting to kiss the ring. And my question is this. What is the biggest difference, or what are some of the reasons that we see this incredible difference this time for Trump? The wind is at his back this time. The wind was in his face last time.
SPEAKER 16 :
I'm going to attribute it to one thing and one thing only, and the day it happened, Andy literally texted me that same day and said, this is it. We're done. We've won. No looking back. This is a shoe-in for Trump. And we've talked about this, and please, all of you that are Christians, hear me out. Because Andy and I even did some segments on, did God spare Trump's life in the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania? I would flip that. and say, did God allow that to happen that changed Trump's entire demeanor from that point forward and made him who he is now, which, by the way, is not the same Trump we saw four years ago because it's not. He is not.
SPEAKER 03 :
He is not. And Charlie and I, we were just talking about it at the break. He just had an impromptu press conference yesterday. John. Obviously, he was in great command of the details, but there were two big changes in him. Number one, he was softer, respectful, quiet, calm, commanding. He was not this activist raging at the group, at the room, right? And the second thing is, he knew when not to give an answer. Okay, you know, the guy asked him, are you going to, what, bomb... I forget what it was.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I read today where somebody thought that just shows he's got dementia. No, that just means he's very careful in his responses.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah, because basically, are you going to bomb Iran? What does he say? how can I answer that question? If I say yes, if I say no, either one is a bad answer. The answer being, obviously, I'm not going to tell them what I'm going to do.
SPEAKER 16 :
There is no answer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why would I tell them what I'm going to do? But you see, in the past, he wasn't controlled like that. He wasn't under control. And I believe one big difference is J.D. Vance. He's learning from J.D. J.D. is incredibly... J.D. is incredibly... contained in what he says it's brilliant he knows when to go after people but trump just being around a guy who works can't argue that wording can't argue although it's changed you still got to go back to the shooting oh the assassination attempt because his demeanor
SPEAKER 16 :
Literally from that, we've talked about it. We talked about it on air. His demeanor from that point forward changed dramatically. When you have a near-death experience, and I think a lot of people can say that. Anybody that's had one of those, I think, can say this. It changes you. And in Trump's case, because of a lot of the people that he's surrounded with, to your point, the J.D. Vance, great Christian guy, etc., You start looking at those folks and will they rub off on a Trump, especially after one of those experiences? Yeah, Andy, I think they do. Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think another thing that's put the wind at Trump's back and there's a couple more here, but one is J.D. Vance. Mike Pence was an awful choice. OK, he was an absolutely Mike Pence was a decent speaker, but not anything like J.D. Vance. J.D. Vance. goes out to all ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN. He goes to all of them and cuts them to ribbons. And Americans had never seen this before. They had never seen one of Trump's people going into all these interviews and cutting them.
SPEAKER 16 :
Calm, cool, collected, methodical, and so on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Making MAGA brilliant. That's what J.D. Vance made MAGA brilliant. And they had not seen that before. MAGA was always a very emotional thing. It was a very true thing. I believe in MAGA.
SPEAKER 16 :
It was never brilliant until Vance. We talked about this prior to even Trump being the nominee. Our biggest fear with Trump moving forward was everything would be based on emotions completely. There wouldn't be a lot of strategy involved. It would be very hard to win that way. Fortunately, some things changed. through the campaign right and got better as time went on and i think a lot of what you're talking about is why yeah now i'm gonna the next one i'm only gonna do is say a name and i'm gonna let you take it from there elon musk oh huge huge asset a because and i said this a while back yeah And I think even some folks out there listening sort of poo-pooed me on this because I think they thought, well, yeah, I don't know about that. Elon Musk, there is not only a lot of tech folks that follow him, but a lot of young, brilliant men especially follow him. A, because of where he's at, what he's done, the fact he's the richest guy on the planet. He's eccentric by all means. On the same token, he doesn't let what other people say bother him. At all. Right. He's his own guy, and I think a lot of young men, especially Andy, because they haven't had that model to them much, they appreciate that. And they're followers of him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Everything you just said, true, but I've got to add something. In 2016, the Democrats completely owned the public square. They did. They owned all the media. They owned all of big tech. They owned all of the dispersal of news and ideas. Yeah, you can talk about Fox News, but they outnumbered that a zillion to one, especially with big tech. Correct. x twitter oh yeah okay that's what i was saying elon musk his fact of being there with these young men especially huge because of elon musk they no longer own the uh public square they can't dominate they can't go after trump and know that all the voices that are going to come back against us are going to be just drowned out by us they can't drown them out anymore and elon musk is the biggest reason
SPEAKER 16 :
I can't argue that. No, you're right. Let me throw another. And really quick, before we move on. Go. Because there's some folks that text us continually, which I always enjoy. But I want to remind some of you, by the way, that have texted me probably multiple times since. And I could go back and even find some of these if I wanted to. But some of you were very critical. Early on of Musk, oh, the guy's a charlatan. Oh, the guy's a Trojan horse. Oh, we can't trust him. You guys said the same thing about Vivek, by the way. All we heard was, oh, you can't trust these guys. There's no way they're going to be really a part of our party and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And a lot of you listening right now need to check yourself because you said those same things to me in text messages.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. And by the way, these are minor ones, but you've got to throw in Vivek and Tulsi. Absolutely. Not just because they are people that nobody trusted on our side because our side doesn't trust anybody and we believe in every conspiracy theory. I don't know why. But I've got news for you folks. Not only are Vivek and Tulsi on your side, they're smart. They're smart. They come off brilliant. They blow people away in debates. And they're not like J.D. Vance, who's an absolute machine, but they're close. Actually, Vivek is like that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Vivek is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, not Tulsi as much, but she's brilliant, too.
SPEAKER 16 :
He's a machine.
SPEAKER 03 :
Tulsi might be our VP next time around. Okay, but I'm going to give you another name and let you take it. Joe Rogan. Oh, huge for us. Huge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Wow. He and Dana White on the wrestling.
SPEAKER 03 :
What does this do for the culture, him and Dana White?
SPEAKER 16 :
Huge, because these guys are where young men, not all young men, but there's some old guys watching him as well, but men in general. But there's a lot of women, too, so I don't want to cut any of you lady wrestling fans and Joe Rogan fans and so on, because there's a lot of equal sexes, I should say, Andy, that are listening. But especially when it comes to young men, Those two individuals, Dana White, Joe Rogan, both speak volumes to a ton of young men. So when they start talking about, you know, being a supporter of Donald Trump and interviewing Donald Trump and going through that whole end of things, we talked in the last, you know, the last segment about how did the left lose the culture? Because they don't know either one of these guys and they're probably both repulsed by him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. Everything you just said. Once again, 100 percent agree. What about women? The fact that they didn't win women nearly as big as they expected. And let me give you two quick names, Tulsi and RFK. That hurt them because that was two Democrats who came over to our side, and Tulsi is an incredibly impressive woman.
SPEAKER 16 :
And RFK Jr., when he starts talking about all of the things— Well, a lot of women because of the kids and the vaccines and so on. He speaks very near and dear to them because these are individuals that are really looking at these kids saying, why am I giving my kids 72 vaccines?
SPEAKER 03 :
John, when I'm online, all of the biggest supporters of RFK on our side, they were all women. They were all women. So when we talk about—and so here's the thing. I'm going to bring it all together now.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
You and I said in 2016, actually, that Donald Trump had to be Team Trump. He had to go forward with his team. He had to put together this incredibly impressive group of people around him that would, let's face it, soften him. Yep. And reach out into far more. He couldn't just go forward with the Trumpies because the Trumpies were only 30% of the population.
SPEAKER 16 :
Andy, if we said it once, we said it a thousand times. Trump has to change the way he messages to the entire United States or he will not win. And he did.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he did. And he did because I'm telling you what, this time it is not Trump. It is Team Trump.
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All right, we are back. Myself, Andy, and Charlie. Andy's going to head out here at 5 o'clock, by the way, but I'll still be around here for the last hour. Andy, a couple things. Charlie just said one thing a second ago that really is a big deal and why people are in favor of Trump is the fact that he's just making common sense remarks and things to do that everybody can relate to, even some Democrats. But back to how did the left lose the culture? Right. One other thing I want to throw in that we forgot, which helped Trump – And hurt them. And that's all the stupid lawsuits they brought against Trump. Because, by the way, a lot of people were looking at that saying, man alive, these things are just as ticky tack as it gets. I get it. The hardcore lefties, they loved all of that. But others didn't.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you think it was just shocking for the country to see how easily the legal system could be weaponized?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. And they didn't like it. They had never seen it like this. Nope. And they don't like that because they realize, oh, wait a minute. Again, going back to the man thing. By the way, I know a lot of you listening, I've focused a lot on the male vote and the fact that I firmly believe, some females as well, but literally that whole male vote, that voting block is what really put Trump over the edge this last election.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Keep in mind that there's a lot of men out there, like it or not. that have had something happen to them legally speaking. Something's happened on the job. Something's happened to them with regards to divorce and child support or custody battles and so on. And in most cases, by the way, these guys are on the losing end of the stick. In most cases. Because it's stacked against them. When they walk into the courtroom, they know right off the bat that as a dad, this whole thing is rigged, not in my favor. And then they watched what Trump went through.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And the Democrats were able to get away with that for the longest time. And here's why. They would just say, yeah, but it's Trump. It's okay because it's Trump. Yeah, but we're doing this against Trump. Well, Trump is really bad. Well, he's a threat to democracy. Look at J6. Look at J6. Look at J6. You know, and... Here's the thing. After a while, that sells for a year or two. You know, after a while, you know what Americans start saying? Yeah, we know it's Trump. But you keep saying, yeah, it's Trump. And what we're seeing is this. We've never seen the law used like this before. And it proves to us that you can use it that way. And that scares us.
SPEAKER 16 :
And where I'm going with that, Andy, is there's a lot of men out there that I think voted for Trump that the law had been used against them in a way that it shouldn't be because it happens more often than not. Because typically, again, I'm not saying it happens in every single case, but there's a lot of situations where these guys go to court to have custody with their kids or have joint custody or have equal time or whatever the case may be, and the odds are already stacked against them.
SPEAKER 03 :
How many men have lost a job just because of an accusation of... sexual harassment as well and you know and once again because you know the me first or me too movement okay the whole idea that we can simply accuse away your rights we don't have to provide any evidence we can just accuse it away and men look back and say hey man if somebody's sexually harassing a female that's terrible but you got to provide evidence otherwise you can simply accuse it away That got thrown away.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, and believe me.
SPEAKER 03 :
And look what just came out with the Duke Lacrosse.
SPEAKER 16 :
I was going to mention the same thing, Andy. Right. Take the words out of my mouth.
SPEAKER 03 :
The lady who lied against them just came out and admitted it. What is it, a decade later?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I lied.
SPEAKER 03 :
People are like, hey, wait a minute. Right. You could literally, and I think this hit men a lot worse than women because men had had their rights accused away much more than women.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, and had been in the courtroom. Some of the similar things I just mentioned a moment ago. And the reality is all of that went in favor of Trump and against her, really against the party, if you really want to get down to it when it's all said and done. So, guys, again, we've got another full hour coming your way. I've got another interview we're going to do here in a moment. Jeremy Portnoy is going to join us. He is from Open the Books. We're going to talk about his new column, Waste of the Day. We're going to talk about Doge and how that may affect things as well. So don't go anywhere yet. We'll be right back. Hour three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right. Happy Tuesday, everybody. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And how is Andy as we get down this home stretch to Christmas?
SPEAKER 14 :
Andy's doing pretty well. Andy is getting ready for Christmas. I'm pretty close. How about you?
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, winding down, checking off those few little things left to do. And for me, on the business end of things, this is the last full business week of the year. So my end of the year is Friday, basically. Are you pretty pressed?
SPEAKER 14 :
I would think a lot. You see, I think that's common, though, John. I think a lot of people are really busy. And this is one reason that I think there are a lot of mental health issues at this time of year. Now, obviously, there's those who are feeling lonely, right? Where's my family?
SPEAKER 12 :
It's very pressured this time of year, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
But also, it's high pressure. You're trying to get in so many things before the end of the year and also before Christmas.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. All right, question of the day yesterday. Who wrote, Christmas doesn't come from a store. Maybe Christmas perhaps means a little bit more. Charlie, anyone? Dr. Seuss. Said that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I thought it was going to be one of the people Biden's pardoning.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that could be, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'm just saying. But there's so many. Never mind.
SPEAKER 12 :
But really quick before the next question of the day. OK. Some of the people that he has pardoned are absolute scum, Andy. Absolute scum.
SPEAKER 14 :
How about three Chinese spies? How about people who.
SPEAKER 12 :
How about Chinese spies that on top of that are addicted to child porn and the abuse of children and so on that top that one off?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, you know, his son needs a group to get together with.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's a groupie thing? Yeah, it's a groupie thing. A groupie pardon?
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah.
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Unbelievable. All right, today's impossible question. In the old days, women in England. I don't know what the old days means. I don't know how long ago this was. But in the old days. Last week. Women in England who wanted to find a husband ate what at Christmas for good luck? Any idea, Charlie? He has no idea. Andy? What did they eat at Christmas for good luck? To find a man.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, now they eat chocolate any time of the year, and they don't need them anymore.
SPEAKER 12 :
Charlie said peppermint. Nope, wrong answer. I would have never guessed this, so... Okay, I got nothing. Okay, those of you that may know the answer... Mistletoe. That way it's always there. It's always there. So you have to kiss her. Answer that on the social media page, Rush to Reason. Don't forget, we also need Christmas song requests for Christmas Day. A lot of you... By the way, as a reminder, like that day. So if you like that day and there are special requests for songs you want to hear on Christmas Day, you need to make that known. Let us be aware of that.
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It's helpful.
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It helps Charlie a lot. No, Charlie said mistletoe is poisonous, by the way. I didn't know that. Oh, well, don't do that, ladies. All right, before we get rolling, we've got a special guest joining us here at 315. Prior to that, though, some of you out there may have seen this. I happened to see it because one of you as listeners sent me the original video of where the round earther was going to take four flat earthers. to Antarctica to watch the solstice, where the sun is up for 24 hours. It literally just circles the horizon, because that's what it does this time of year, because we live on a globe, proving we're not on a flat Earth. So there was a... offer to flat earthers where i didn't realize this trip was this expensive it was 35 grand a piece per to bring these four flat earthers along with this and he brought some other folks that were you know guys like us that believe in a sphere world anyways brought them to really show them that yes in fact this is a real place no there's not an ice wall and yes we do live on a globe and one of them in viewing all of this, and he's one of the biggest Flat Earth proponents, has a huge following, podcast, the whole nine yards, YouTube, et cetera. He actually, in his own words, literally when you look at him and they're interviewing him as this is happening, he was up for 24 hours straight, and he's dumbfounded. He is like, I guess I've been wrong.
SPEAKER 14 :
No kidding.
SPEAKER 12 :
I am sorry. Okay. I'm going to have to basically go back to the drawing board, I guess, because I can't answer what I just saw.
SPEAKER 14 :
Did he also confess that two and two equals four?
SPEAKER 12 :
He didn't get into that, but you can tell by looking at him that he was extremely perplexed Because his whole, I mean, some of these people, Andy, as you know, their whole almost faith system is built upon this whole flat earth nonsense.
SPEAKER 01 :
They're crazy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Back it up with Scripture and all sorts of other things, which they're misusing Scripture when they do, which, by the way, is very heretical in and of itself. So the reality is if you're one of those that's a Christian that believes in a flat earth and you use Scripture for that, you're a dodo head. Sorry, you just are, because there is nothing in Scripture that talks about a flat earth, period. In fact, quite the opposite. Right. It's quite the opposite. If you really read Scripture, you'll figure that out. So don't take what some wackadoodle out on YouTube or TikTok or Facebook is talking about a flat earth, because they are literally wackadoodles. And one of them went from being a wackadoodle to our side, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Let me ask you something, you know, at this time of year. What would be easier for Santa? A globe? Or a flat plane? Probably flat Earth. I mean, really, though?
SPEAKER 12 :
Probably cover more ground, couldn't you? I don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, do flat earthers believe that there is just... Stackable. Do flat earthers believe that there's only people on one side of it, or they believe people are on the other side of it?
SPEAKER 12 :
They have a whole different view of how the continents are laid out in the whole nine yards. If you look at a flat earth map with the ice wall, it's very weird.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, but we're all faced up then.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so what do they think is on the other side?
SPEAKER 12 :
We're on sort of a sphere where the bottom side is still very deep so that when we drill and do things like that, that's their explanation to, you know, being able to go down several miles into the earth and even the trenches that we have that are deep in the ocean and so on. That's their explanation.
SPEAKER 14 :
But why wouldn't we venture to the other side just for the heck of it? I mean, we are explorers. We have jets.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, they don't believe we've ever been in outer space, these same people, Andy. They think all that's a myth. They think that's all made up by NASA.
SPEAKER 14 :
But you wouldn't have to go there. John, you wouldn't have to go to outer space. All you'd have to do, it doesn't matter if there's an ice wall, you take a jet. A jet goes over an ice wall.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, we have a firmament that keeps us in. This is not me speaking. The firmament keeps us in. Yeah, the firmament keeps us in. Which, by the way, the firmament went away during the flood, just so you all know. All you flat earthers, again, if you're really going to go with Scripture on this, go look up the flood and what happened and what God talks about in relation to the firmament we had prior to that that surrounded the whole globe, by the way. Right, and then the waters from beneath and above, yeah. That's right. So we had one of those prior. By the way, that's why men lived to be almost 1,000 years back then, because they didn't have the UV rays and all of the other things that we have environmentally speaking prior to that.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, John, that's one of the things that made it hard for me as an atheist was the ridiculous amount of evidence for a global flood. It was just like after a while. It's huge. Yeah, Ken Ham always called it, okay, there are billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the world.
SPEAKER 12 :
So that's one thing I've never asked a flat earther is how do they, because a lot of these people are Christians. Yeah. How do they explain the flood, Andy?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they don't believe in that flood. Who knows? They don't believe in it. They probably believe in a localized flood, which is ludicrous because why did God send the rainbow was to promise he would never do that again. That's right. But he sent lots of localized floods, so he lied. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
None of the theories hold up, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, here's what I want to ask before we go to break. Yeah. Why are so many of these, and I'm going to, can I use the word kook? Yeah. Why are so many of these kooks on the right? I don't know.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, because we've got a guest joining us, we've got a couple minutes. Let me explain what I think.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Number one, we tend to feel, number one, a ton of mistrust for government, which I get. That's fair. I am one of those. I don't trust government either. Now, I'm not willing to go out on some of these kooky, you know, wackadoodle beliefs and so on just because I don't trust government. I haven't trusted government for a very long time. I still don't go off on some of these tangents and believing some weird stuff that doesn't exist and isn't real. Right. Now, also, I do understand, though, Andy, that because of that distrust, if you would, they're looking for other things that they can have faith, I guess, in. And unfortunately for a lot of these Christians that claim to be flat earthers, their faith is in the wrong spot. They're looking for physical faith versus the spiritual faith we all have in our Lord. Right. By the way, they're replacing him, I believe, with a different kind of faith. Shame on them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they replace them with a lot of wacky theories.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's not just flat earth.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, no, it's all sorts of stuff. Yeesh. Talk a little bit about that. If you guys want to listen to the New Year's Day podcast for NCR, we get into some of this because we recorded it today, actually, a little insight, and we talk about some of that, Andy, in that way. And it really is amazing to me how many conservative Christians— believe in some of these whole, you know, wackadoodle things like aliens and spaceships and there's underwater cities and on and on we go. And it's just utter, absolute nonsense, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, I just worry about Santa crashing into the ice wall. That would be terrible.
SPEAKER 12 :
Could happen. Reindeer all over the place. In their world, that could happen. Broken reindeer. That's the other thing I've never understood about flat earthers is how do you explain... Because we do know there are two places, north and south, pole-wise. They're both very, very cold. Well, they're not poles. They're walls. I don't know how they explain the center one, you know, the... I guess in their world—let me think about this. I think I can explain it, because they believe the sun travels around the ice wall, and it's traveling around us. We're not traveling around the sun. The sun's traveling around us, and it's much smaller than what we actually believe it is. Is it held up by a drone? Might be. Okay. With wires. Okay, got it. Flying around. Anyways, they believe the sun circles around the flat Earth, so I guess the center then would naturally be colder. But I don't know how they explain the ice wall and not melting when the sun's actually closer there— Again, none of it to me makes any sense. I try. Literally, I try, people. I do. I try to be compassionate towards those that are very foolish in their beliefs, but I struggle, Andy. I will say one last thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
When have flat earthers ever taken round earthers to the North Pole or the South Pole to prove their theory and had round earthers say, my gosh, you're right?
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Todd Watkins joining us now. Todd, welcome. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 15 :
I am well. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER 12 :
Always nice to have you. All right, give us an update on our illustrious local Colorado GOP.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, let's see. They've retained a An attorney, I guess he just got admitted to the bar in September is my understanding. A fellow named Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 12 :
Very familiar with Matt.
SPEAKER 15 :
We are very familiar with Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think I'm glad to hear that.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you can tell that there's not a lot of excitement in our voice on that one, Todd.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think it's hilarious. Matt Arnold to run their corruption committee.
SPEAKER 12 :
The guy that probably could be the poster child for is now going to run it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it's hilarious. Well, it takes one to know one, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Literally.
SPEAKER 15 :
My goodness. Anyway. So, yeah, he's the head of the corruption. That was an unforced error, huh? Head of the corruption committee. And the first order of business is to come after Nancy, me, Eli. I believe Christy Ruckus is actually on their team.
SPEAKER 14 :
in their on their target also look here's the thing uh todd we'll get to i know you're calling in on another topic but really quick this is a hit squad yeah okay he's going to chair and this is amazing because we got to keep in mind the uh colorado republican party and you were there when they were talking about it at the colorado republican party headquarters they launched rhino watch which Which is a hit site. We're talking... This has never been done before, okay, folks? In fact, I'm not just saying Colorado. I don't know a state where the Republican Party... has put together a hit site and a hit squad and lawyers and spent $100,000 on lawyers to attack everybody. But long story short, I have never seen a Republican Party heading up any state, Todd, that has put together all of these teams and squads and things to simply go after Republicans they don't like.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. People they don't like.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and I mean, to Andy's point, I mean, that's what this, you know, corruption committee is. Correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's just kind of part and parcel with the whole Rhino Watch thing. I mean, I was there when it was conceived, when it was stood up. I've got emails announcing it, you know, hey, we're looking for content, almost ready to launch, and kind of some of the metrics behind it, how many people saw it, how many people opened it, etc. I can tell you exactly who's involved with it and prove it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and they put people like Heidi Ganahl on their wall of shame. She was our governor candidate. Anyway.
SPEAKER 12 :
Before you move on, one question I've got, Todd, because it probably might even layer into what you're going to talk about next, but I just have a question because in the article that I read where they were talking about Matt Arnold now coming on and becoming part of this, you know, head of this corruption committee, they talked about how in relation to you and the lawsuit and so on, They have spent hundreds, over $100,000 defending all of that. Now, Todd, again, I'm a business guy. I've been involved in different sorts of suits over the years with the business that I have. Different things happen, and sometimes you end up even in trial, depending upon what the situation might be and so on. Granted, mine involved probably more insurance than other things. But regardless... The cost of the attorneys is probably roughly the same. And Todd, I will tell you that even some cases where it may take two years dragging certain things out to get all of your fact-finding done, I have never in my life seen a bill that big on the legal side. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. I was on the law enforcement side, so I'm allergic to lawyers. It sounds a bit exorbitant.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, really quick, so for all of you listening, so you know where I'm coming from. I took just $100,000, Todd, divided it by... Five hundred dollars an hour, which, by the way, is a very high priced lawyer. And I don't I know the firm that they're using. And if they're five hundred an hour, it's way overcharged for what I feel is the experience level there. And I wouldn't pay them five hundred dollars an hour. But let's just say, in fact, they did. That's roughly, I think I did the math. It's roughly, let me do it again because I did this last night in the elevator on my way down. I apologize. Normally I've got this off the top of my head. If you take that number really quick, 100,000, and we divide that by 500 an hour, 200 hours they would have had to spend, Todd, on your particular case, which I guarantee you has not happened.
SPEAKER 15 :
It seems a stretch. I'd also like to point out that they're the ones that started the legal proceedings. They're defending what they're defending against. We're attacking.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, they attack. That's right. Good point. No, no, really good point. And my point, for all of you listening that are on that side, because I know a lot of you that are on that side, listen to me. You're being snowed. You're being, you know, your money that's going to the GOP is being used for this nonsense, and they have spent that money. I've seen it on the FEC reports. And, Todd, either something nefarious is going on, and there's money back-channeling in some places that it shouldn't be, or else these guys at the law firm are just crooks. I don't know which.
SPEAKER 15 :
lining their pockets that's for sure i i've been told that they have the state party has six accounts and i couldn't tell you if all of those are actually reported you know to fec or to the secretary of state and i don't know which pot of money
SPEAKER 12 :
They're paying the Dave Piggott law firm out of... Well, I tracked $60K worth on the FEC report, and I didn't go back far enough, so there very easily could be the other $40K that they're... Regardless, they're claiming publicly that they spent $100K on this, and I just want to know where the money's at, because that's way too much for what they've got.
SPEAKER 14 :
Look, let me take us a step back here. Here's the bottom line, okay, Todd? They are spending all this money on lawsuits because they're being attacked from all corners of the Republican Party here in Colorado. And the question is, OK, why are they being attacked? And the answer is very simple, because right from the outset, when Dave took power. He has been abusing power and attacking fellow Republicans. And all people like you and Eli and us and Natalie and everybody, all we've been asking of the state party is this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Accountability.
SPEAKER 14 :
Will you please stop attacking Republicans?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well...
SPEAKER 15 :
i mean my gosh they're working for republicans that's their job keyword todd that andy said a moment ago dave took power yeah dave didn't take accountability for leadership and there's two big differences there right well he's not a leader he has zero leadership uh qualities i've seen nothing of leadership in him all i have seen is just the uh it just abject, uh, power mongering. That's all I've seen.
SPEAKER 12 :
Me too. Well, I've been calling it out for a very long time now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Um, should we, before the break or after?
SPEAKER 12 :
Keep going.
SPEAKER 14 :
We're going to keep going. Well, um, for those who don't know, you were part of a, um, a meeting that happened on X and, uh, there was a lot of people were invited onto this and that was by Natalie Tennant. She does a great job and they were, Natalie's going to be calling in by way next Monday. Okay. Um, And they were on there. You were discussing a whole different issue that was happening in Douglas County about whether they needed to appoint another commissioner. And I don't I don't want to get into that. But a lot of people were invited to come on the call. And one of those people happened to be a guy named Chavez, Anthony Chavez.
SPEAKER 12 :
Who we'd never heard of, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Who we'd never heard of. It just happens that this guy, apparently, he helped cure some ballads in a close election. And therefore, he got an invite. And he came and he asked some tough questions. Later, he sent, apparently, some emails or messages.
SPEAKER 12 :
Tweets. Tweets.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so some tweets at the state party that were incredibly threatening, and they were. They were. And he made himself a viable threat. He was a real threat, and they had to call the cops on him, which they did.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, I'm not defending this guy, but he did come out afterwards and say, that's not what I meant. I was using some... Yeah, he backed... Metaphors and things along those lines. I'm not sure I believe all of that. But regardless, he backed way off of those right afterwards. I think once he realized, oh, crap, I probably shouldn't have said the things that I said. But regardless, Todd, he backed away from that. And what we're seeing now from the state party is they feel threatened for their lives daily.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and since then, the state party, and we're talking about Dave and Hope mainly, Dave put out an email, Hope put out a whole slew of posts on Facebook. She and I got into it again a number of times. Bottom line, they say this. that the reason this guy did this is because of people like you, Todd.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because of you, Todd.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because you had this meeting. And therefore, you are responsible for everybody who signs into a meeting. Right. And if anybody who signs into any meeting that you do...
SPEAKER 12 :
And comes out of there unhappy and threatens it's your fault. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And it's because you are, and here's the big thing, Dave, Todd, Dave is saying that because you're critical of the state party.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, one step further, and you instituted a coup, direct words that they put into the newsletter.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because you did a coup. In other words, because you tried to remove them from power. Which, by the way, thank you for doing that. It needs to be done. That simply by doing that, by trying to remove them from power, you incited violence. You incited these kinds of people, like this Anthony Chavez. You caused this. You were fomenting violence by doing this, Todd.
SPEAKER 12 :
So what say you, Todd?
SPEAKER 14 :
What do you say, Todd?
SPEAKER 15 :
They sound like AOC, the squad. I get... I get flashes of Maxine Waters here, especially what's, you know, the last two days I've been accosted by this woman down here at the gym.
SPEAKER 14 :
At the gym.
SPEAKER 15 :
Who is a, you know, she's part of Vicki Tonkin's inner circle, Dave Williams' devotee, although she's not part of the state central committee. And she's come up to me and, you know, hollered at me, you need to stop talking now. speaking out about the state GOP because you're going to get people killed. It's your fault that this happened.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, now wait, she says this to you while you're at the gym? Yeah, working out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Unreal.
SPEAKER 14 :
Does she at least give you a spot to help you out?
SPEAKER 12 :
That's crazy. I mean, honestly, Todd, this is how loony these people have become because literally what they're doing is exactly what the left does when they want things shut down. They will accuse things of not being the way they are. In fact, they'll accuse others of doing what they do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it's straight out of Saul Alinsky. Yep. Absolutely. I mean, Todd, how are they any different than the Democrats saying that Trump was inciting violence by saying that he was robbed of the election? Trump never told... Trump told people to march peaceably and patriotically. He never told anybody to, you know, break through windows and doors. Trump did not incite violence in any way, shape, or form. There was no insurrection. He didn't do that, right? But the left says his free speech... was dangerous to them. The state party is saying that your free speech is dangerous to them. How are they different? Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is exactly what is happening. And I want to stress that this woman didn't say, stop telling lies. stop attacking. She said, stop speaking out against the state GOP. I'm to hold my tongue because they don't like what I'm saying. I hope she thinks about what it was that she said, because I think that was a bit of a Freudian slip.
SPEAKER 12 :
Todd, these are what cults do, by the way, because any time you start calling out the leader of the cult, the members of said cult will call you on the carpet for doing exactly that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct, because if the leader is wrong, they're wrong. Yep. What they're doing right now is, first of all, they're playing the victim. And don't get me wrong, I believe that this guy made himself a legit threat and needed to have the cops called on him, which they did. I'm cool with that. But they went beyond that to weaponize their victimhood to try to silence all of their critics. And so now what they're saying... is they're telling their people, anyone who criticizes us is endangering us. All because of one guy, by the way. There haven't been a flood of these people. One guy. And by the way, at that meeting, none of you ever said one single solitary word calling for violence, right, Todd? Oh, absolutely not.
SPEAKER 15 :
In fact, the vast majority of the airtime was between Hope Scheppelman and and this Anthony Chavez guy, whose name, by the way, I did not know until the next morning when Dave accused us of conspiring with him.
SPEAKER 14 :
And how was the meeting, really quick, how was the tenor of the meeting? Was it confrontational or was it... just pretty blah. Honestly, it was kind of a sleeper. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
So it wasn't like this, you know, rah, rah, cheer, let's get things handled, let's get these guys out of office, blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Did you hand out torches and pitchforks?
SPEAKER 15 :
Hope went on there, and actually, there's an article Jimmy Sangenberger wrote.
SPEAKER 11 :
I saw it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it was published today that does great synopsis of That meeting. It was a lot of hope was went into kind of a mea culpa. You know, there are things that have happened that I need to take ownership for. And I just want to patch things up. And she was asked at the end, you know, are you happy with this? Oh, this is great. Would you come back? We do another one. Will you come back? So absolutely, I will come back. I think I think we got we made some progress here. Boy, she took a different turn the next day after that guy went off. And now it happened in the meeting. Well, you can't have it both ways, Hope.
SPEAKER 12 :
So question I've gotten. This is just me. This isn't Andy or anybody else. This isn't even KLZ. This is just me asking a question from, you know me, Todd. I'm kind of a common sense driven, you know, blue collar kind of a guy. If I didn't know any better. And I didn't trust the current leadership, which it's not, the power brokers, I should say, at the Colorado GOP, which I do not. I would almost say this guy was a plant.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I would halfway agree, except a couple other people said that they – well, they knew him. So could somebody on the state party side have – encouraged him or you know to get on there or groomed him for this purpose who knows but if he was he would he not have disrupted the the call though i i'm My gut tells me he acted completely on his own. Well, yeah, but here's... Maybe a little unstable.
SPEAKER 14 :
But, Todd, I mean, if he was planning on... Look, if what they wanted was victimhood so that they could weaponize it, which is what they've done. They're weaponizing their victimhood to try to silence dissent, okay? If they were planning on that, then they need to be victims of something, which means that they would have planned to have this guy threaten them all along. And so all they needed was a setting for him to attend where you guys were.
SPEAKER 12 :
To put the blame on.
SPEAKER 14 :
So that they could attach him to you.
SPEAKER 12 :
Point of blame.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I mean, he certainly could have attacked and threatened Hope on the meeting. She was right there.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but Todd, no offense, Todd. At the end of the day, though, that still doesn't accomplish what they want at the end of the day because what they got with this guy going out onto X and publicly displaying what his thoughts were, they had a much larger audience in all of that and now can blame you guys and the meeting that you had and me for being – Andy and I for being on the radio and saying the things that we say. I mean, collectively, we're all against them, and it's the reason why this guy did what he did.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, it's not outside the realm of possibilities. And, Todd, I only say that because I don't trust any of them.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I'm sorry, my brain doesn't think that way on the front side, but I could see this from the backside looking in, and I trust none of them in leadership at the Colorado GOP right now. Nothing would surprise me, not given what they just did with this last hire, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that's lunacy. Good point. True. My only thing that makes me question it, John, is... Really quick, by the way.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hang on tight. Real quick. Also, Todd, is it not super coincidental that we've got Arnold right after this? That is weird. Guys, come on now. I mean, really. I mean, again, I'm just a common old redneck. I know I don't have a lot of education and so on, but when you start looking at this in light of some of the things that I am saying and you start putting the piece of the puzzle together – You gotta wonder.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because the Arnold hire obviously did not just happen overnight. This is something they've been grooming.
SPEAKER 12 :
But they needed something to trigger it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, they needed something to trigger it, and now they can say, we are endangered.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, he promised back in November that he was going to do something along the lines of this. Once the elections are over and before the new year, we're going to have a path forward to persecute you know, those who disagree with us. So I considered Matt Arnold to be part of that and was probably in the works since then.
SPEAKER 12 :
I thought, correct me if I'm wrong, the GOP, Colorado GOP, was complaining about, you know, the lack of funding and we couldn't do more to help our candidates because we just didn't have the money we needed and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but yet we just added another hire and we've spent over $100,000 on lawyers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
What part am I missing, Todd?
SPEAKER 15 :
Obviously, someone's lying.
SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you. There you go. Thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's the cop in me.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, thank you. I mean, I look at it the same way. It's like, wait a minute. You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. You can't be broke and spend 100 grand plus on attorneys that, by the way, are either way over billing you or were being sold a bill of goods, although the FEC report shows a lot of money being spent with these particular attorneys or this particular law firm. And then, oh, by the way, we're going to also add another hire into the office right after the election.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we also have to keep in mind, and this is in the words of Mark Hampton, who is from Rhino Watch, Dave is going to do a purge. of people in the new year. He wants to purge people off, I guess, the SEC or purge dissenters. I forget exactly how he wants to do it. But Dave had come out and said, we're going to go after some of these people. We're going to, you know, we need help rooting out the problems and so forth. So as Mark Hampton says, and he's a huge ally of Dave, that they're going to do a purge. But Todd, aren't they in the meantime trying to purge dissenting voices by using the victimhood of this one kook?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yes, exactly. Also, in order to purge people from the state central committee, they need to rig basically 64 different organizational meetings in February.
SPEAKER 14 :
I wouldn't be surprised if they were not trying to infiltrate a lot of those. I'm sure they are, yeah. Right. There you go.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because my feeling is they just infiltrated the meeting you had not long ago. I'm going to stand by that because I don't trust these guys at all.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, we know they were there. We recognized at least five people.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I meant you guys were set up is what I mean. Yeah. Sorry. When I started reading all of those things, my number one immediate reaction as I'm reading these tweets and I'm watching the newsletter that went out and I go do a little bit of tracking and I start reading what's going on, I'm thinking to myself, first of all, who is this guy? Never heard of him ever. And I've been around things for quite some time here in Colorado and interviewed all sorts of people, Todd. And I'm like, wait a minute, that guy's name does not ring a bell whatsoever. This guy is a patsy if I've ever seen one. And you guys were set up.
SPEAKER 14 :
And why was he using lingo like the health care shooter? I mean, come on. I have no idea.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's where I think he's, you know, he has some issues because there was a lot of non sequitur in his posts.
SPEAKER 14 :
It was ludicrous.
SPEAKER 12 :
And if I'm a Dave, and I'll close with this, if I'm Dave Williams, and I know there's somebody out there like this that really I don't even have to give a lot of instruction to, but just have them sort of quietly hang out knowing that most likely something is going to get triggered and they're going to do something like this afterwards, even if I don't have to say a lot to make that happen, and I know it's going to happen, I'm still going in that direction.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sure. I mean, the whole plan, if it is, as you say, where he you know, lurks and engages during the spoken part and then goes absolutely, you know, bonkers bananas on the written part. It's a stupid plan, if ever I've seen one. It just, the two do not comport. He was not that way on the spoken part. And then if he failed in his mission there and then tried to make up with it by going completely haywire in writing, It's such a turnabout. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, okay, so you being a cop.
SPEAKER 15 :
He's highly unstable or he failed and he's trying to make up.
SPEAKER 12 :
You being a cop, what's that old saying? If something doesn't smell quite right, it probably isn't. This one doesn't smell right, Todd.
SPEAKER 15 :
There's a professional term, hinky. This is very hinky.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. All I know is this, whether he was a plant or whether he just came out of the blue, the fact is that the state party has been using that one incident exactly as the Democrats used J6 for a couple years. Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sorry, I've got to throw this out there, guys. Who caused J6?
SPEAKER 15 :
The Dems?
SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you. I mean, I believe they did. I think there was a lot of insightful things going on with some folks with the letters FBI that had a lot to do with what was going on that day. There's been all sorts of things proven that these guys were there in plain clothes. You can spot them out of a crowd almost anywhere. How about Ray Epps? Yeah, Ray Epps. I mean, Todd, we can go down the list. So tell me if that happened over there, why is what I'm saying so far-fetched? And I've said it all and I'll keep saying it. If I didn't know any better, I would tell you Dave Williams is a dem plant.
SPEAKER 15 :
You're not the first to say that. Not the only one to say that, I don't think. I've heard that from a couple people.
SPEAKER 12 :
I've been saying that for a while now. Either way, he is their best tool.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Whether intentional or unintentional, he's doing the job.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct. Todd, I'll leave it at that. You're always welcome to call in. Appreciate the update, sir.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, appreciate it.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. So let's, really quick, indulge me for a moment, all of you, when it comes to this whole, was this a particular situation where there was a setup involved in getting somebody to do something after the meeting, not during the meeting, but after the meeting, to then allow somebody the quote unquote leadership. And I put air quotes around it because they're not, but that allow those that are governing the GOP in Colorado right now to then go on attack like they're currently doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the reason you would think that's possible is the way that they have used it. They have literally seized on this, this one, you know, this tweet by this one guy, this Anthony Chavez, who none of us had heard of.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don't know him.
SPEAKER 14 :
I asked Eli Bremer. Have you heard of him? No. Todd, have you heard of him? No. Natalie, have you heard of him? No. Um, Nobody had even heard of him. Comes out of the blue and gives the state party the one thing. John, they're blasting it all over the state. We are at risk. I know. We are under threat. I know. And they're saying we will never.
SPEAKER 12 :
They're using this for everything they can.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, we will never stop speaking up.
SPEAKER 12 :
Never let a crisis go to waste, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wow. Especially if you create the crisis.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, here's, again, indulge me. And Andy was asking during the break, well, you know, how do you get a guy to do all of this knowing that when it's all said and done, he may very well be questioned by the cops? Simple, Andy. You find a person that literally is a little bit, and I don't know this for sure, so please just, again, indulge me, but you find somebody that maybe is a little bit out there on the edge. Okay. Where you realize that really all you have to do is get them to show up to a meeting, listen in a little bit, ask a few questions, and then afterwards just start poking them with the right buttons. Right. Boom, boom, boom, boom. where you know by doing so, they're now going to just flare up. And respond accordingly.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I would think in the case of this guy, if he did it, they literally, he's working with them. Could be. Could be.
SPEAKER 12 :
Although, Andy, there's enough loons out there to where if you get the right person going, it doesn't take much to encourage that.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know, but his wording was so similar in some aspects to what the shooter said. Because he was saying things like, oh, no, he was like the subway guy. Right. Because he was saying, I've got bail money. I don't care. I know. In other words, I will do harm to you and I don't care about what happens to me because I can bail myself out. I can afford to have bail money. Yeah. And that's exactly what the subway shooter said. Correct. I mean, why would somebody. And that's a recent story. Repeat what the subway shooter basically said. I mean.
SPEAKER 12 :
You have to wonder, have they been coached? I don't know, Andy. And again, I'm not accusing. I don't know, folks. Please don't anybody out there say, well, John Rush said blah, blah. No, I'm just... No, we're not saying we know. Hypothetically speaking, could that be possible given what the current GOP leaders... Notice I'm not using leadership because they don't know how, but what the current leaders are doing with this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And they keep using the exact same words that the Democrats used with Trump fomenting, inciting. OK, they're using the exact same words with this, with, you know, Eli and Todd and Natalie and so forth. They're using the exact same words with them that the Democrats used with Trump. They're using it exactly the same way. The Democrats did pretty well in 2022 off of J6. I mean, they were able to ride it that long.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I don't know.
SPEAKER 12 :
Again, folks, I don't either. It's just a theory. One thing's for sure. Can't back it up. I don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the thing that makes it so bizarre, and I'll end it with this, is that there was absolutely nothing in the meeting, nor has there been anything that has been put out by Natalie and her group. You know, the people who tried to remove Dave? None of them have put out anything remotely violent in any way, shape or form.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nor have we here on air. The things that I've been talking about, by the way, long before anybody else got on that train. I just want to remind everybody, Andy and I were on this train. We started the train. And I literally am being very honest when I say this. Literally, it didn't take me more than about a month. After Dave took over chairman to start seeing through what was actually going on, and I was calling it out openly on air, some of the things that he was actually doing, I still am. And have I incited anything? No, I'm just calling the guy out for what he is. Yeah. A charlatan.
SPEAKER 14 :
I was worried immediately, and due to some other reasons, things I saw in meetings, his people were going out and bashing Christy Burton Brown. But... It was about a month after you were calling for him to step down than I was beginning to.
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All right, we are back. A few seconds left of this particular hour. We've got two more hours coming your way, of course, so always remember that. And we've got a couple of guests we'll be interviewing over the next couple of hours as well. And then Andy and I, probably next hour, will be covering a little bit about the Democrat Party and have they lost the culture.
SPEAKER 14 :
They have lost the culture, and I want to talk about why. You know, what has happened to them where they have absolutely lost the culture? Because it used to be cool to be against Trump. Now it's cool to be with Trump.
SPEAKER 12 :
And this next guest, by the way, Harry Fisher, we're going to talk about, he has a book, Safe and Effective, for profit, a paramedic story exposing American genocide. Some of that, by the way, I believe, Andy, plays into some of what you're talking about as well, because people are finally waking up and they're fed up at the same time.
SPEAKER 14 :
Are you seeing a little COVID aftermath?
SPEAKER 12 :
A little bit. So we'll talk about that next hour. Don't go anywhere, folks. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we're back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy had to head out, do some family things. I appreciate Andy helping me on Tuesdays. And Andy, if you're listening, have a great rest of your night, and thanks for all that you do for us. Jeremy Portnoy joining us now. Open the books. Jeremy, I've been waiting, by the way, with a bated breath to have you on because of all that's happening with the new administration and so on, and I'm glad you're here.
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm glad to be here, John. Thanks for inviting me back.
SPEAKER 15 :
You're very welcome. Author of Open the Books, Waste of the Day column on Real Clear Politics. All right, let's get into Doge. And this has got to be for you guys especially, because you guys are the, how should I say this, the tip of the spear when it comes to finding government waste. That's what you guys are experts on. What are your thoughts on Doge?
SPEAKER 03 :
We're very excited. I mean, yeah, like you said, we've essentially been dozed for over a decade now. We have 10 billion lines of data, every penny the government has spent at every level. We're always calling out the waste that goes on, but now we're really seeing it enter the national conversation in a way we haven't seen previously. It's really mainstream to be trying to, you know, find ways that the government can spend less money and get some cash back to taxpayers.
SPEAKER 15 :
What a concept, by the way. I mean, honestly, to your point, you guys have been doing this for decades. We finally, finally now have some folks in government looking at this saying, number one, this really is just an utter waste of tax dollars. Number two, if we don't get something reined in, we're not going to be able to recover from the national debt that we have right now. And then on top of that, we have got to get some confidence back from the American public by being more fiscally responsible.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And I think what's really cool about this department is their goal, if they can pull it off, is to have this be totally bipartisan, right? This is something that both parties can get behind. I mean, you've got even Senator Bernie Sanders, a progressive, wants to work with them to monitor the Pentagon's budget, try and get them to pass a financial audit, which they can never do. You've got Senator Joni Ernst, who's usually more towards the middle. She wants to work with them to get federal employees back in the office. So there's a lot of different initiatives that everyone across the political spectrum can really get behind.
SPEAKER 15 :
And Jeremy, I think all of us would admit, myself included, that where government needs money to provide the essential services that we as taxpayers and citizens want to have, you know what, Jeremy, I am all for. But also as a taxpayer, I am just dead set against all of the absolute waste, some of the things that we as a country spend money on, some of the things that happen overseas that, by the way, don't benefit us here at home at all. The reality is, and I think part of what, by the way, won Donald Trump this last election is the fact that people are sick and tired of seeing their money wasted.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, you have a right to be, right? It's been since 2001. where we had even one single year where the federal budget was balanced. We had a deficit every single year. That includes Trump's last term. Trump in his first term had a $6 trillion deficit. That was the most in history until Biden took over. So until we see some progress, it's all talk, right? Now it's time for the Trump administration to really put their money where their mouth is and show that they can get this budget under control.
SPEAKER 15 :
When it comes to Doge itself, and I don't know all of the legalities around what they can do. There's been a lot of folks even on the left that have come out and said, well, yeah, it's all great, fine and dandy. But these guys still have to get a certain amount of things done through Congress. They control the purse. Although there are some things that I believe, Jeremy, that even by executive action, you could clean up and get rid of. The question I have for you is, where is that separation? What can Donald Trump himself, through the recommendation of Doge, actually handle? And what things actually have to go through Congress to get taken care of?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, there's going to be a lot of legal gray area there. I mean, in theory, Doge is only an advisory committee. Congress really has the power to control the purse, right? It's going to be like Senator Susan Collins from Maine. She's going to be leading the Senate Appropriations Committee now. But there is a lot of talk, like you mentioned. One thing is, you know, Trump's talking about possibly impounding congressional funds and changing what they're appropriated for. I mean, that would probably go to the Supreme Court to decide if that's actually legal or not. So we'll see how much Doge really tries to flex their muscle here. or how much they try to cooperate with Congress and try and do things the legislative way.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I think, if anything, and maybe this is pie in the sky, Jeremy, on my side. I mean, I've interviewed you guys now for a number of years, not quite the full decade, but quite some time we've been interviewing you guys and talking about some of the waste that's there. And the reality is, again, the American public are tired of it. I think there's a large voting bloc now that is finally being paid attention to that's saying, listen, guys, enough is enough. We need to quit squandering. I've got some things in front of me that you guys have actually found. $26 million splurged on conference room furniture while most of these meetings are being held on Zoom. In other words, American public is looking at this thing, wait a minute, I'm having a hard time feeding my family, and you guys are spending $26 million on furniture nobody's going to use.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And it's just common sense. Both parties can agree you've got to get rid of it. When you're talking about that remote work, we just identified a federal office building 2 million square feet. The Department of Energy is paying for this building. On an average day, there's eight people working there. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
And really quick, I'm glad you mentioned that. That's the stuff where I'm looking at that saying, okay, time out here. Are these the sorts of things that, again, through executive cleanup, could the White House itself, Donald Trump and those around him, are these the sorts of things that could literally get cleaned up overnight where we've got – millions of square feet unused, by the way, buildings that could even be sold off and money collected. And not only would we not have to manage and handle the expense of those buildings, which, by the way, gets very expensive, we could collect some cash at the same time. Are those things that can be done, executively speaking, or does that have to go through Congress as well?
SPEAKER 03 :
It's partially both ways, right? At the granular level, those can just say, okay, why are you paying for this building with nobody in it? Let's send some people to work there. And that's something the Department of Energy themselves can control. But it's Congress deciding those top line numbers saying, okay, Department of Energy, here's how much money we're giving you to spend on your office space. And then the executive branch really has no say in that. They have to spend that money on offices.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so this is where, and I can already see that there's going to be some things that get a little bit dicey down the road. Question I have for you guys at Open the Books, how much or have you been tapped into by some folks at Doge? In other words, you guys have already done a lot of the heavy lifting. Can they just take some of what you have found, or how does that all work out, I guess, is my question.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, we've been in touch with them. We've been texting back and forth as they call on me. He and Elon Musk have both been posting some of our articles online on Twitter. So we'll see what comes out of that. We're definitely here and willing to help. We always want to maintain a little distance because our job is to hold the government accountable, and that includes those. But we're, of course, always here and ready to help and help them identify some of these areas.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I was going to say, on the same token, Jeremy, facts are facts. I mean, the reality is if we're spending X money on X thing, there's nothing partisan about that. The reality is, guys, here's what you're spending it on. What are you going to do about it?
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And that's what we're really going to be looking for. We want to see them reach across the aisle, get both parties involved in this, and have this be something that then is continued past their deadline of July 4th, 2026, When they say the OSHA is supposedly getting dissolved, it's unlikely the federal budget is going to be completely balanced by then. So they need to have something in place that's then going to be continued through the national conversation for years to come.
SPEAKER 15 :
You guys look at this stuff daily. I don't. How much total waste? I mean, and I know it's a hard number to probably come up with, but on any given year, what do you feel an average number is of just actual waste? Not restructuring and redoing some things and closing a particular department and so on, but just waste on things that you guys can't identify. How much do you think the total is, or do you know?
SPEAKER 03 :
I'm not going to put a dollar figure on it just because a lot of objective. Right. We can go back and forth over what's waste and what's not. One thing I will tell you, we've been looking at improper payments. So that's money that's just objectively sent to the wrong person for the wrong amount. Someone made a mistake in the books under Biden. That's cost nine hundred eighty billion dollars over the last four years.
SPEAKER 15 :
Geez. Yeah, that's a big number. That one is pretty self-explanatory. And, again, I mean, I get it. Some of this stuff is subjective, although as I read through some of the list of things that I have in front of me that you guys have put out, some of this is like, okay, wait a minute, why are we spending – Again, $26 million on furniture we're not going to use. Why are we spending money on employees that we're not getting the full value out of? And on and on we go. I mean, all the way back during COVID, we put in solar-powered picnic tables, even though folks weren't at work, and we spent almost $250,000 doing so. That's the kind of stuff, Jeremy, we just have to stop doing. We can't do as a government. We don't have the money. We're borrowing the money to do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And a lot of the money goes back the other way. We're funding Chinese grants. There's a report that came out from the House of Representatives claiming that a lot of our money is actually helping China research for their military and nuclear warheads. We're borrowing from China just to send that money back to them.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. Makes no sense. Makes no sense. Well, it'll be interesting to see how things go. We'll continue to have you guys on. I'm excited. I mean, again, I have to be careful that I don't get too excited because we don't see what the outcome is. And I, like you, I want to see what we're doing here and what Doge does continue on literally and definitely. I don't want to see it end.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, we're hoping for the same thing. We'll definitely be keeping tabs on it, and hopefully we'll have some positive updates to share soon.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. Jeremy, I appreciate it. You guys keep up the great work. Thank you again, sir.
SPEAKER 03 :
I appreciate it, too, John. Thanks for having me. You bet.
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We are back. Rush to Reason. Joe, what's going on, sir?
SPEAKER 07 :
John, a couple things. I didn't hear the first hour of the show, but did you talk about some of the reporting of the Madison school shooting?
SPEAKER 15 :
We haven't talked about that at all. I mentioned it briefly yesterday because I didn't know that much about what was even going on and kind of tabled that, so no, I did not.
SPEAKER 07 :
Would you like to talk about it now? Sure. Yeah, we've got time. Go ahead. All right, so last night I'm watching the CBS News, 11 o'clock news, and I almost spit out my drink. CBS News reports that there have been 323 school shootings in this country so far this year. So almost one a day. One a day. And I'm going, what the hell? Yeah, no.
SPEAKER 1 :
323.
SPEAKER 07 :
And, of course, where they got that number one from the Gun Violence Archive, who includes in school shootings things like in rural schools, if a stray hunter's bullet hits a parked car in the school parking lot, they consider that a school shooting. Right. If a drug deal goes bad on a school playground at 10 o'clock at night on a Saturday night and one thug shoots the other thug, that's a school shooting. If some kid breaks a school window with a BB gun during the Thanksgiving recess, that's a school shooting. So they come up with that ridiculous number. So then I watch ABC News, and ABC News reported there have been 112 school shootings, but here's their qualification numbers. where at least one victim was injured or killed so far this year. So what they did, they went to that same database, and they took out all the ones like the car getting hit by a stray bullet in a broken window, and said 112 school shootings where at least one victim was injured or killed.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's still twice a week.
SPEAKER 07 :
Still twice a week. Well, yes, twice a week. So you know who got it right? Lester Holt on NBC News. He correctly reported that this made the fourth one this year.
SPEAKER 15 :
I was going to say, I can't remember. Fortunately, Joe, we haven't had a ton this year, which is a good thing. You know, count our blessings, because I was thinking back to the last one being quite some time ago.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think it was April, John, if I'm not mistaken.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because we had some early in the year, I remember, because, again, we talk about these things, you know, here on air, Joe, and then I had to go back and think for a moment. I didn't look it up, and I'm thinking, we haven't had one in at least six months.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, so, you know, but... My question is, do these news reporters who are reporting these absurd numbers, are they really that stupid that they believe these numbers?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or do they—okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, they're that stupid. I'm sorry, Joe. I hate to say that. But, yeah, I think they are. I mean, these are the same people that will— report on Denver local news that we don't have a gang problem in Aurora, even though 15 of them were arrested today, and they had actually kidnapped and abducted two different people, pulled the fingernails out of the lady, pistol-whipped both of them, stuck a knife in the side of the guy, and yet we don't have a problem, Joe. These are the same individuals.
SPEAKER 07 :
And where they get this from, the Gun Violence Archive is well-funded. They've got Bloomberg money. They have a mailing list, distribution list. Whenever something like this happens, they prepare these press releases with these ridiculous numbers. They send them out to NBC, CBS. I get them, Joe.
SPEAKER 15 :
I get the same things. They even come to people like me, believe it or not.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, because they have both a national distribution list, you know, CNN, and then they have local news people.
SPEAKER 15 :
Their secondary list, right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Secondary list. So every, you know, Des Moines, Iowa.
SPEAKER 15 :
If you're in media, you're getting it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Omaha, Nebraska. So these people, stupid, lazy, they just get these press releases. and they just read them. No fact-checking. They just read them.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and I get – for all of you listening, you may not know this, but I get all of those same things and more, and some of these things will even come in to me, Joe. I just read – I don't even have to read the headline. I mean, I might read the first paragraph depending upon what the headline says, but typically I'll read these things, and I'll look at it and say – you want me to interview you about what? I mean, and some of it's just a press release where they want me to talk about it and there's no interview needed, but I read some of these at times, Joe, and I just think to myself, you're kidding, right? I mean, this is a blatant lie. Sometimes I'll even respond knowing that it's probably going to a general mailbox that nobody's going to read, but sometimes I'll even respond and say something to the effect of, you really want me to go on air and lie?
SPEAKER 07 :
Mm-hmm. Yep. Oh, and let me add that ABC... even though they cut their number down from 323 to 112. Then they added, but they had to do, hold my beer, watch this. Then they added, however, there have been 487 mass shootings in 2024 as of December 16, which is one and a half a day. So, John, did we have 10 mass shootings in this country last week?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, we did not.
SPEAKER 07 :
We didn't?
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
We didn't have 10 mass shootings? Okay. Well, anyway, so your listeners hear these numbers.
SPEAKER 15 :
And Joe, really quick, Charlie and I were talking about this at the top of the hour. We weren't on air talking about this, but this fits because Van Jones himself has finally admitted that this was when, Charlie, this week, right? Last week, Charlie said on CNN, he's even admitted, Joe, that I guess mainstream media really isn't mainstream. It's become fringe media. And what we all in mainstream media consider to be fringe media has now become mainstream and partly due, Joe, to what you're talking about.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And by the way, did you see where the Food Network has now surpassed CNN in the ratings?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. People are tired of listening to the nonsense. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And let me go back, by the way, to the Madison shooting. A 15-year-old girl with a handgun, which she couldn't legally buy or even possess.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
So they're saying, we need stronger gun laws. And I checked, by the way, Wisconsin already has a safe storage law, which means if you have a
SPEAKER 15 :
And really quick, too, the one part I did read about that whole situation was either in the manifesto or some of the conversation between her and the online boyfriend. I'm not sure exactly how all that's working, and I'm sure we'll learn more in the days ahead. She said something to the effect of, I got my gun or the gun by manipulating my dumb dad, basically. I know I'm paraphrasing that, Joe, but basically that's what she said.
SPEAKER 07 :
I hadn't seen that, John, but thank you. So my question is, what new, quote, stronger gun law would have prevented this shooting? I've asked this question to a dozen idiot liberals who are saying, well, this is why we need more stronger gun laws. So I said, great. What new law, constitutional law, would have prevented this shooting? John, I'm still waiting 24 hours later.
SPEAKER 15 :
There aren't any, because she's not supposed to be able to own one anyways. The reality is, again, and I don't know if it's true. I'm sure some of these things will be verified here in the days ahead. But if, in fact, what was said is true, that she manipulated her father into acquiring this in the first place, well, Joe, there's not a gun law out there that would change that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
So it's this— Other than confiscation, I guess if he didn't have one at all, which, by the way, is ultimately what the left wants. They just want them all gone, Joe. Even though there's no such thing, that's what they want.
SPEAKER 07 :
They want 400 million—you're not going to confiscate 400 million guns. That's never going to happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, that is—let's make sure that you know I'm right and so are you. That is their ultimate goal, though. If you ask any hardcore lefty, their goal is just take them all away, period.
SPEAKER 07 :
They want to turn us into Australia, John.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, Australia confiscated something like 20 million guns—this is back in 1997— 20 million guns in a country with a population the size of the state of Texas. So, I mean, it was just massive. And to buy a new gun in Australia these days, almost impossible. If you jump through a lot of hoops, you might be able to buy a shotgun to go duck hunting or something. But you want to buy a pistol? Never going to happen. Not in Australia. All right.
SPEAKER 15 :
So while I got you, and we've got a little bit of time here, because you sent me this, and the reason why I agreed with you earlier on journalists is you sent me an article talking about the brain function of a journalist.
SPEAKER 07 :
Mm-hmm. And I got it right here. Would you like me to quote it? Yeah, please. And this was from a study. I believe it was 80 journalists, and they took them. They did everything from giving them psychological tests. They gave them functional tests. Like sometimes you get these tests where they say – In the next six minutes, you need to do this task and this task, and they switch you back and forth. So it was like switching tasks. So here's the results of all these testing. Journalist brains show a lower than average level of executive functioning, according to a new study, which means they have below average ability to regulate their emotions, suppress biases, solve complex problems, switch between tasks, and show creative and flexible thinking. Interesting. Then it goes on to say, the results also show that journalist brains were operating at a lower level than the average population, particularly because of dehydration and the tendency of journalists to self-medicate with alcohol, caffeine, and high-sugar foods.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I can see that. Makes total sense. To me, that makes total sense, Joe.
SPEAKER 07 :
And this thing about inability to regulate their emotions, you expect that from some of these liberals, these screaming liberals, particularly like in The View. They're all out there. But they talk about executive functioning. And, John, I know you're one and you know many. An executive can handle, do multitask. They can keep their emotions. They don't let their emotions take control. They control their emotions. They don't let their emotions control themselves. They can multitask. They can solve complicated problems. They can suppress their biases. They can do critical thinking. So that's what executive functioning is. And they tested these journalists, and they all overwhelmingly failed. They couldn't function at, quote, an executive level. And I think to be an effective journalist, you need to be able to handle, you know. You would think so.
SPEAKER 15 :
You would think so. But what's happened, Joe, I think, in my opinion, in mainstream media especially, and I think Van Jones actually got it right the other night, they're not mainstream anymore. They really have become fringe. This last election really showed that and woke a lot of people up in that industry, by the way, I believe. And the reality, Joe, is these guys have become non-journalists. They are a mouthpiece for the network that reads what's coming off the teleprompter, to your point earlier. They don't fact-check anything. They read what's put in front of them, no matter what. Even if it says there's been a mass shooting literally every day of the year, they'll repeat that nonsense without thinking, well, wait a minute, I didn't report on that yesterday. In fact, I didn't report on it the day before, and I didn't even report on it last week. But that's what it says in front of me.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, to me, that's mind-boggling. How can you read that off a press release or a teleprompter when you say, wait a minute, I'm in the business of news, and I don't recall reporting one of these in the past month. So how could there possibly have been one a day for the past 11 months?
SPEAKER 15 :
Joe, I'm not sure that some of them even realize there's 365 days a year, and we're going to report that there's 300 and what was the number, 323 school shootings. I don't think they even fathom that, okay, wait a minute, we are about 340-ish days or so, 45 days into the year. That means, yeah, we would have almost had to have had one – per day, at least one per weekday for sure, plus some weekends. Six per week. We take Sunday off, I guess, when it comes to school shootings, but other than that, we've had one every single day. You would think in their mind that would register, but evidently it doesn't.
SPEAKER 07 :
No. So again, John, they're either incredibly stupid, or they know it's a lie, but they're choosing to repeat it anyway. And quite frankly, I don't know which is worse, John. When it comes to being a journalist, would you rather have a journalist that Is that stupid that they don't understand it's a lie? Or would you rather be listening to a journalist that knows it's a lie but reports it anyway? Which is worse?
SPEAKER 15 :
Probably the second, and what I will tell you is being a part of the automotive journalist world that I am, and I go to different events at different times and so on, and I used to even get flown out to some of the different, you know, before I was doing this daily, I'd go to some of the launches where they would launch a new vehicle and so on, and I'd rub elbows with some of the bigwigs even, Joe, guys that write for, you know, Car and Driver, and they're on this TV show or that TV show, and you'd meet these people off of those, you know, outside of those particular arenas, and literally I would come home, And I would tell my family and I would say, boy, I've learned a lot. These guys are as dumb as rocks. And I mean that in all sincerity, Joe. They're not as smart as they appear to be on stage or in their writings or whatever. The reality is they're just doing what they know the audience and or who's telling them to do it beyond that. They're literally dumb as rocks.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, I spent, as you know, I spent 20 years working for a Fortune 50 company. And an observation I developed after 20 years, you know, looking at the company I work for and our competitors, I developed this theory that the company that's in any given industry, the company that succeeds is not the smartest and the brightest. It's the one that screws up the least.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. And markets the best.
SPEAKER 07 :
And markets the best and screws up the least because it was all about just not, you know, just don't screw up and you'll be miles ahead of your closest. Now, there's a few exceptions to that, like Apple and whatnot. Right. But generally, you look at these companies and it's, you know, who's screwing up the least? It comes out on top.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. No, Joe, you are 1,000% correct. And it was a real eye-opener for me because, you know, before getting into all of that, I'm like, okay, you know, I've done a radio show for a long time, but I've never rubbed elbows with some of these big wigs. In some cases, Joe, you're tag-teaming when you test drive the car on these different launches, and I'd be sitting next to some of these people that, frankly, you'd listen to, and you'd listen to their resume and what all they've done and who they've written for or what TV show they've been on or what have you. And by the time you're done spending, in some cases, you'd spend an entire day or two with these folks, and you'd get partnered up for the entire event. And by the time you're done, you're thinking to yourself, how does this guy even get out of bed in the mornings by themselves? Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
And by the way, talking about stupid, you got time? I got a couple of, you know, I do a podcast every week, and I normally include the stupidest thing I heard all week. This week I had five things that were so stupid. I don't know which one was the winner. Do you have time to listen? Yeah, go ahead. No, you're fine.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead. We got a few minutes. Go for it.
SPEAKER 07 :
So one, Ohio-Michigan game. The Michigan fans, Ohio hosted the game. Michigan won. Some of the Michigan fans came out on the field. Then the fans flood the field at the end. And they planted the Michigan College flag on the Ohio 50-yard line. And Ohio State Center has introduced a law to make that a felony. Not a misdemeanor, a felony for planting a flag on the 50-yard line. Oh, my word. So that's nominee number one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Number two, let's see. Oh, the National Labor Relations. You know these shows like Dancing with the Stars?
SPEAKER 08 :
Reality shows.
SPEAKER 07 :
Real Housewives, Survivor. The Biden's NLRB said, no, no, they're not independent contractors. They're now employees. You have to deduct Social Security, FICA. You have to cover them with workers' comp. You have to pay unemployment insurance. And unionize on top of it. And they can be unionized and they can strike. That was my second nominee. Good grief.
SPEAKER 15 :
For reality TV stars.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Normally it was, okay, hey, we'll give you so much an episode if you want to work on this.
SPEAKER 15 :
If you want to participate, great. If not, don't.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, don't – and if you work, here's how much we pay you for this week's episode. And if you're busy, you're going on vacation or giving birth or whatever.
SPEAKER 15 :
And really quick, too, Joe, along those lines, because this also happens, and you've seen it. One of the first reality shows to be really successful – I was watching a little documentary on them the other day. It's funny you – You talk about this, but I was watching a little documentary on Orange County Choppers. So, you know, that was the Tuttle's back in New York. I'm sure you're familiar with those guys. You know, they had one of the first real reality shows that became a success. They became a brand name, if you would. In fact, they became such a brand name that the actual name of the show they had to somehow incorporate back in. into the show because originally Discovery didn't do that correctly. The rights weren't correct. And they had to come back in and say, OK, wait a minute, time out. We need to get our own show name doing well. My point is, Joe, that a lot of these reality stores or reality stars, I should say, become their own brand, meaning they are their own business. They should be treated as a contractor because that's what they are.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. But no, NLRB says, no, they're employees, and you have to give them a paycheck.
SPEAKER 15 :
Shows you how stupid they are, by the way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. All right, here comes my third one. The Scripps organization that runs a spelling bee contest. Right. They have different groups. They've got the third grade group, the sixth grade group, the ninth grade. Anyway, for the third grade group, they've now announced that they will accept... For the third grade group, the spelling of woman— Oh, talked about that yesterday some.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, W-O-M-Y-N, because some feminist mothers have taught their kids that spelling woman, W-O-M-E-N, has men in it. So some of these mothers are teaching their children that way. Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 15 :
And we're just going to change the spelling of a word because of that. That's just being an idiot. Sorry, it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
They'll accept either one. Michigan now has a law they're being proposed to ban the sailor ownership of colored guns. As she got older, she had a little pink gun, and she wanted pink, she said, because in the middle of the night, if I had to open my drawer, I'm not going to find a black gun in a dark drawer. And, you know, pink colored gun, turquoise and purple.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, it's very popular. It's a way to personalize even the gun that you own. You can do a Cerakote and make them in all sorts of different colors and so on to, you know, suit your fancy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Well, Michigan is proposing a law to ban the sale or ownership of a colored gun. That's another law we don't need. And finally, John, Texas is a little sensitive. I hope there's no little kids. Texas is not proposed, has passed a law limiting the ownership of dildos to five per person. If you have six dildos, you've broken the law in Texas. We have nothing better to do. Do we need that law? And how are they going to enforce it? Are they going to have background checks at the register?
SPEAKER 15 :
How stupid.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, wait a minute. You already own five. You can't buy the six. You can't have another one. Dumb. So, John, so those are my five nominees for the stupidest thing. I've never had a week where I've had five things so stupid I couldn't pick a winner.
SPEAKER 15 :
Unbelievable. Do you want to give your vote for those five, the stupidest one you've heard? The last one probably. Well, they're all dumb, but the last one probably takes the cake.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, limiting your ownership. And by the way, if you're a couple, does that mean you can have ten in the house, five each?
SPEAKER 15 :
Good question. Joe, if we couldn't laugh at these things, it would drive you crazy.
SPEAKER 07 :
It would. But, you know, that's why I put it. By the way, so I've asked my listeners, if any of your listeners are listening to the Jersey Joe podcast, we'd love your vote on which of those five things is the stupidest thing you've heard all week. All right.
SPEAKER 15 :
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All right. Somebody texted a moment ago because I briefly, with Joe, talked about the 14, it's not 15, 14 people being detained in Aurora. It's the same gang that we've talked about numerous times. It's been all over the news, all over the country. In fact, Donald Trump was accused of talking about it and it being basically utter nonsense. It's a nothing burger. Basically what the left said. Even our own governor, Polis, has said numerous times, local news agencies have said the same thing, that, oh, it's a nothing burger. There's nothing going on out there in Aurora. Even though the building owners themselves have said, oh, yeah, there's a lot going on there. A lot. Well, today, today, there was a home invasion that occurred at the edge at Lowry Apartments, where basically about 14 suspects in this case, Went in, or sorry, took a couple. This was early in the morning, 2.30 a.m., before 2.30 a.m. Actually, I'm probably getting the story a little bit wrong. I think that's actually when this couple finally got loose and were able to go somewhere else and call the police. Am I right, Charlie? Okay, then maybe I'm correct on it being early morning hours. They basically kidnapped these two people, took them to another place, essentially held them, you know, kidnapped them, pistol whipped them, stabbed the gentleman, tore the fingernails off of the woman. These are Venezuelans, both of these individuals that were kidnapped. There was 13 to 15 people, 14 have been detained, mostly males, but there were some females involved in this. It's all gang-related, Venezuelan gang-related. Nobody understands exactly why these two were captured. That hasn't come out yet, and frankly, we may never know. But my whole point is two things. One, even Donald Trump himself was criticized for talking about this. Again, it was a nothing burger. There's nothing here. This isn't going on in Aurora, Colorado. And did I mention that they were both pistol-whipped? I want to make sure I mention that because, again, this is like something out of a movie where you see two people kidnapped, stuck in a room, basically, tortured, which is exactly what happened here. I mean, this is something out of a Reacher movie. I'm not exaggerating. It's exactly what happened here in Aurora. And, again, this is the TDA gang, the Trendy Aragua, or however you say their last name, Aragua. I can never say it correctly. But yeah, that happened today. And fortunately, these individuals were brave enough to finally go someplace and ask for help. Now, here's my whole point with this. It even says in the article, and we all know, these are people that are all here illegally. Period. Nobody invited them here. They're not here on visas or anything along those lines. They're all here illegally. So now... We've got tax dollars not only being spent to house them and do all the things necessary along those lines. Now we've got medical bills that we all as taxpayers are now going to pay for. And I'm not saying we shouldn't, because I'm all for taking care of a fellow human that have been tortured. So I'm not against that. What I'm saying, though, is we're now spending tax dollars on this because we've allowed this to happen in the first place. And yet we've got Democrats, our own Governor Polis, basically ignoring this, saying it's not happening. Governor Polis, are you going to pay attention now? Are you actually going to check out what's going on in Aurora? Are you guys actually going to pay attention to what's going on and quit denying that this is happening? And those of you that are on the left, which just as a side note, I don't hear much from you guys anymore. Since the election and Donald Trump literally won in a landslide, you guys are like quiet as a church mouse. I hardly hear from you. I know you're listening. But I barely hear from you. Is it because you just don't know what to say? Or you're waiting to see how things shake out and what you can poke fun at with Donald Trump once he actually becomes president? Or what? This sort of thing, for those of you that are on the left, can't bode very well because this proves what's been going on in Aurora. We've talked about it on this show many times. A lot of other places in town like me have talked about it. Our regular media, the Kyle Clarks of the world, won't talk about it. He denies it. He's such a schmuck. He won't admit that this stuff goes on. Can't stand that guy, by the way. I'd love to debate him someday. That'd be an easy one. Because the guy never has the right facts. He's so on the left, he can't see straight. Be interesting to see if he comes around with any of this, especially with this particular article coming out today. And by the way, these are things that the police have reported to the news media and has become national. I'm reading this out of Fox News, the national Fox News, not local. There's lots of local stories about it now as well. So, Kyle, where are you? Kyle Clark, are you around? Are you going to admit that these things actually are happening now? Are you going to go back to your old ways of saying that, no, this isn't happening? It's just a lot of hype by the right. All those hardcore conservatives are just hyping it up. That's what we've been told up to this point, by the way. These two people, by the way, I would highly doubt would agree with you that it's hype. When you're pistol whipped, a knife stuck in your side, and your fingernails are pulled off, I don't think they're going to say that's hype. So if you hadn't heard about that, go look it up. It's national news now. Once again, proving Donald Trump was correct in what he was talking about when he came to Aurora in the first place, and again, got poo-pooed for that, literally. Oh, you know, that's a nothing burger. I don't know why you're there even looking at that. The left really chastised him for coming here because they said all of this was hype. It's not. It's a problem. The open borders, and in this case, the Venezuelan gangs that have come in, are a real problem. And all I can say is those of you that are out in that particular area of Aurora or in Aurora period, watch your back because there's a lot more of these than just those 14 or 15 that they've apprehended. I'll leave it at that. We'll be right back. Golden Eagle Financial is coming up next. Make sure you're dialed in with your financial future as we head down 24 into 2025. Call Al today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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It's time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. Okay, yeah, back to that story.
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A lot of people with egg on their face. Our local news, our governor. Aurora, a lot of the council members, Kaufman himself, police chiefs and so on that said none of this. Nothing to see here. Nothing going on. Egg on their face. I forgot one cost, by the way, because in the article that I read, the police themselves said that they will relocate. These two individuals, because, again, if they hang around, they're probably going to be dead because they did, in fact, finally call the police. So reality is now you guys as taxpayers have one more expense in all of this. And I'm not saying we shouldn't. I'm all for making sure that, you know, humans stay alive. It's why we continue to talk about abortion and all those things, because we believe in life and every human life. And, yes, I do. But this comes with a cost. And it's something that, by the way, the left won't tell you. And once again, total denial from a lot of the local news, national news, and so on. An entire party called the left denied this. Egg on their face is all I'm going to say. We'll be back tomorrow. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We'll be right back.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Welcome back. Another episode of National Crawford Roundtable. It is New Year's Day. And yeah, there's no secrets. We're recording this a few days prior to that, guys. But good morning, Neil and Bob, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, Bob Duco Show, Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York. We've made it through another year, guys. by god's grace good to be here happy new year and by the way as we get older do these slow down or do they just keep getting faster faster faster yeah i'm afraid you're correct guys blankets the new year unbelievable now in good news as we start off today we did in fact find out that the earth is round so some guys went down to antarctica some of the flat earthers even and they saw the 24-hour sun and are now convinced that we live on a globe
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, progress. That's unbelievable.
SPEAKER 03 :
Man. And I know we've, and I laugh at that, but yet on a serious note, guys, and Bob, you and I have talked about this in particular on some podcasts, I think even when Neil wasn't present, and the amount of conservative Christians that believe in this hogwash of a flat earth is just beyond me, Bob. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know what? My show here in Detroit is primarily an apologetics-driven show more than anything else. And on Fridays, we have Free For All Friday where people call in about whatever they want to and they debate me and such. And, John, I can't tell you over the years how many debates I've gotten into with Flat Earth people. And I know there's trolls out there. I get that. But these are Christians that have bought in.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, I know some. No, no, no. I know some people that are not trolls. They have bought in hook, line, and sinker that we live on a flat earth. I know, and you know what? And they're using Scripture to prove it some way, somehow. I know. Or they think they are. Sorry, I didn't say that correctly. They're using Scripture incorrectly to prove a point.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, exactly. And they are misusing Scripture. I mean, rising and setting of the sun, that's language that people use today, okay? Atheists, astrophysicists use language like that, you know, or such. But if you think about it scripturally... The way scripture is written only makes sense for a spherical earth because you had Jesus talking about when he returns, there'll be some sleep in the middle of the night, some working in the fields during the day. That only makes sense during a spherical earth. You have the earth being referred to as the circle of the globe. But then also one of the things that stands out to me scripturally is when Jesus says that our sins will be – or when God's word says that our sins will be forgiven, they'll be removed as far as the east is from the west, that's actually a reference to infinity. Now, if the earth were flat, then there would be a finite level of east you can go, and then that's it.
SPEAKER 03 :
The ice wall, it's called.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. It also doesn't say as far as the north is to the south because in a spherical globe, you can only go north so far and then you're going south again. Whereas in a spherical globe, if you travel east, technically you always, always, always go east for infinity. You never reach. Yeah, we have international date lines. But you're still going east. Right. So, I mean, there's just so many areas.
SPEAKER 03 :
You never switch around and go the other direction west. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. But, no, I'll tell you what, though. These flat earthers, John, it confounds me. You can watch YouTube videos with smoke and mirrors, and before you know it, people can get wide-eyed and they can buy into it. And they just won't listen to reason or logic, no matter what you try to tell them.
SPEAKER 03 :
And we'll cover today some of the events of this past year. And really, I think, guys, as much as anything, and yes, I want to celebrate some of the wins and things that we had happen this past year. But it's near and dear to me that, and it's something that Bob and Neil both, I talk about pretty frequently on my program, is having wide eyes. discernment looking at each one of these conspiracy you know theories and that's what flat earth is by the way and you know these theories that come along and being able to have good discernment on what's right from wrong we see these things happening over and over again and by the way they're not going to stop and i've got my own theories as to why they won't stop but the reality is they're not going to stop and we have to be solid and have good discernment when it comes to these things i'm afraid that far too often christians especially get sucked into some of these things and And I get it. Not everything ends up being a conspiracy. We had a lot of stuff during COVID that, frankly, those of us on this side were right, and we weren't conspiratorial at all, by the way. We were just giving facts out over and over again. We were called conspiracy theorists, but we were giving out facts. But, Neil, you as sort of having a background in the church like myself and probably even growing up around some of these individuals, I can remember back— growing up in the church and just listening to some of these theories that people even believed when I was a kid. And unfortunately, it's done nothing but groan.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, we wrestle not against flesh and blood. There is an enemy, and he's a deceiver, and he would do anything to keep people off track. And I honestly believe part of his strategy is not just to get in the way of non-believers so that they're prevented from seeing the truth, if that's even possible, but to get in the way of believers and throw them off track so they're not busy doing what God has told us to do, like make disciples, for instance. So, you know, and then the other thing is I think Christians, and I'm sure I brought this up on a prior podcast, but I think Christians are more prone to it, more susceptible, because we believe in good and evil. And, you know, any movie plot really is in some way a clash between good and evil. You know, you've got your antagonist, the protagonist, whatever. So we're sort of conditioned to that. If you can throw out some kind of maybe sort of plausible, you know, statement, that looks like it could be true or maybe helps to explain something we just fully don't understand, and it's like a possible explanation, well, then we just gravitate to it. And you're right, John. I mean, we need to be praying for Holy Spirit discernment, and He's capable of giving us that. You know, Bob was quoting some Scripture earlier. People will twist the Scriptures, but when we really let the Holy Spirit, you know, take us to the Word and show us truth, and He's more than willing to do that, then the conspiracy theories fade away, and we get back to focusing on who Jesus really is and what he actually asked us to do.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bob, as we head into pre-born, by the way, it's not just our side that can believe in conspiracies, and maybe folks wouldn't think that abortion is a conspiracy, but let's just face it, Bob, there's a lot of folks out there on the left that will deny the truth. And by the way, when you start denying truth, you believe in things that are falsehoods, conspiracies, and so on. These folks believing that abortion has no effect whatsoever upon that mom, upon society, upon, by the way, me as an employer. These people that don't think there's any ill effect from that are sorely mistaken.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, they sure are. Well, first of all, the biggest ill effect is a human baby is being killed, a baby made in the image and likeness of God in abortion. And then those moms, when they get abortions, the studies and statistics are overwhelming of the dramatic increases in suicide attempts, depression, anxiety, alcoholism, drug addiction, everything else. And so... Now, we need to show moms that there's a better way. And if you show a pregnant mom an ultrasound image of her baby, she almost always chooses life. And it's very common that she accepts Jesus Christ as Savior too. Well, pre-born is the main pro-life group. that's in pro-life centers all across America showing these ultrasound images, okay? Problem is the demand is higher than the supply. So we have pregnant women out there that aren't able to see ultrasound images. They cost money. That's why we're asking everybody in the audience right now, will you give to Preborn and supply some ultrasound images? There's two ways you can do it. Number one, buy an ultrasound machine. They're $15,000 a piece, but your forever legacy will be that you are stopping thousands and thousands and thousands of abortions over the years. Think about that, okay? and a great tax write-off for you coming up right at the end of the year, okay, if you can do that. Now, if you want to do on a smaller level, you can go ahead and just pay for an individual amount of ultrasound images. They're $28 a piece. to save one baby's life, how many babies' lives will you save? Take $28 times fill in the blank. And then whatever that number is, that's your forever legacy of the amount of abortions that you stopped. So everything you give goes to preborn, 100%. So here's what you do. Go online to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. And click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn. Or they answer the phones 24-7. Just call 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY. Mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. And we appreciate you folks doing that. We appreciate you supporting our sponsors. Certainly our sponsors like Preborn. And Neil, our sponsors like SunPowerLED.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, absolutely. And one of the things we've talked about a lot this past year, and I'm sure we're going to talk about in the coming year, is distrust for government and big pharma and big tech, etc. But, you know, people are coming to realize that, look, big pharma has a vested interest in keeping us addicted to pills and the idea that medication can solve all of our problems. And if they can do that, then the trillion dollar industry they're running can be a multi-trillion dollar industry. Well, bottom line is, there are alternative ways to help heal your body, and one of them happens to be utilizing the very light God himself created. Identifying proper wavelengths of red light that God created, they dig deep into the cell, no invasive surgery, by the way, no medications necessary, but that light penetrates deep into the body, excites the mitochondria in the cell the cell starts working the way it was intended to and your body can be healed it reduces pain and swelling it promotes healing if you've got arthritis or migraines or other issues you just can't seem to get a handle on think about checking out sun power led and that's sun like sun in the sky sun sun power led you can find all about them on crawfordmediagroup.net just click on sun power led at crawfordmediagroup.net
SPEAKER 03 :
And Neil, again, appreciate that, and everything you said in regards to, you know, I do think that people have a huge mistrust in government, in all sorts of things, by the way, in a lot of establishments, and in some cases even the Church, I hate to say, but the reality is that the mistrust factor is probably... at an all-time high. I mean, I'll go through a few of the events of this past year where, by the way, there were some conspiracies around some of these things. One of those, by the way, being the Baltimore-Francisco-Key Bridge, the collapse. There was lots of conspiracies surrounding that. That was done by government to do all sorts of nefarious things and so on and so forth. And guys, sometimes stuff just happens. I mean, did I ever think for one second that that was done intentionally? Um, reality is no, I did not. I mean, sometimes stuff just goes wrong, Bob. And when it does, we just need to accept that at times.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, we do. And that's, that's one of the things that I think it kind of ties to what we were talking about a little bit earlier too, with the conspiracy conspiratorial thinking that, uh, we live in a fallen world. Okay. Bad stuff happens. And so, but it almost seems like in this day and age, anytime something bad happens, it's There's this hyper focus on we have to figure out how to keep this from happening again. You know, just, you know, anytime there's a school shooting like, you know, recently happened, okay, in Wisconsin at the Christian school. Okay. There are evil people out there. There are bad people out there. There are messed up kids out there like that 15-year-old girl. There are people out there that are committing horrific crimes. We live in a sin-ravaged world. And sometimes bad things just happen. Sometimes perfect storms happen. And then sometimes there are things that are being organized and planned and we need to do a better job of taking action, like securing the border, like fighting terrorism. So there are things that do need to be done to take action. But we can't sit there and say every single time some bad thing happens, well, you know, that was preventable. A lot of things just are not.
SPEAKER 04 :
Can I throw out a theory real quick on that? Sure, go right ahead. Because I think it goes back to the fall, the idea that we could be as God, that we could know all things, we could do all things, we could be just like God. And I think maybe the best way to do this would be take a picture of a playground from 1960 and compare it to a playground today and what it looks like. Well, OK, protecting kids is important, but, you know, basically we've bubble wrapped the world and we're trying to eliminate problems from happening in every situation. OK, maybe in this day and age, metal detectors at school doors make sense. And, you know, we've mentioned Wisconsin. There's their school. schools and school districts that don't have metal detectors maybe they should have them but i'm just saying that there's this obsession with trying to know all things and prevent all things that are bad and promote all things that are good and we don't have that power at some point we need to be reasonable about how we approach public safety and child safety and so forth And then beyond that, learn to trust God and get on to other things like loving our families and being productive at work and being good citizens. If we're always focused on trying to take away evil, we don't have the ability to do that. And we do live in a fallen world. So our hope should not be in us being able to fix this one, but the one that's coming that God has provided for us through Jesus.
SPEAKER 03 :
Amen. And I agree with that wholeheartedly. And I think there's times, guys, where we will... You know, grasp onto things, hoping, by the way, that that is the answer, you know, that gave the example a moment ago of the Francis Scott Key Bridge. I think some folks at times feel like, you know, a better answer would be nobody screwed up and this was something that was done on purpose by... our own government because it's more explainable that way. Well, on the same token, as we said a moment ago, sometimes stuff just happens. And by the way, Neil, you and Bob both, I mean, I agree wholeheartedly. We live in a fallen world. Things happen. I also believe with what you said, Neil, that men in general, human nature is we want to be God, like God, take his place if you would. By the way, that's what Marxism is all about from day one and what's happening to our country more and more. That's why it was such a huge victory this last year. One of the things we'll highlight is, of course, Donald Trump and the whole election and all of what happened. They're not saying Donald Trump by any means is our fixer or our savior or anything, but I think it does show that people are tired of some of these just... evil woke agendas that are being shoved down our throat bob and the reality is there was a wake-up call this past november
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, there really was. And, you know, it's it's interesting, too, that it does seem like one of the big losers in this election was the mainstream legacy media.
SPEAKER 01 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because they as dishonest and deceptive as they are and as media research centers show that like 90 plus percent of everything ABC, NBC and CBS reported about Donald Trump during the election was negative news. Whereas 78% of everything they reported about Kamala Harris was positive. And that still wasn't enough to trick Americans. So there's alternative media out there that's making more inroads. And frankly, the American public, they got to see for themselves. What happened at their paycheck? What happened at the gas station? What's happened at the grocery store? They've got to see this for themselves, what's happened to the crime in their communities. And Democrats pretty much tried to tell them, don't believe your lying eyes, believe us. And don't believe your lying bank account, believe us. But it is a new day. And I think that there's a sense of optimism even on the world stage about what Trump is going to get done regarding other nations.
SPEAKER 03 :
And again, 20 days until he's inaugurated. But let's face it, guys, for the past – let's face it, even longer than these past 20 days. He's been the quasi-president, even though he's not been actually instituted into office. He's the guy going around the world, setting up meetings, talking to world leaders, and so on. No offense, our current president right now, I'm not sure he even knows what day of the week it is most times. And I'm being honest when I say it.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I know. We don't have a functioning president right now. We really don't. You're right. And Donald Trump is, in essence, the de facto president. And he's being treated that way by world leaders. And I...
SPEAKER 04 :
you can't blame him i guess yeah what does that say and and and by the way even if joe biden in a lucid moment is somewhat capable of doing something i think he's kind of backed off and said okay you want me out fine i'm out and and he stepped out of the way and donald trump is filling the void you know and i think the american people are happy about it but i don't think democrat party brokers are happy about it and you know the progressive people that have been you know the The megalomaniacs that have been pouring all kinds of money into these liberal and progressive campaigns, I don't think they're happy about it. But bottom line is, you're right. The world right now is showing respect for Donald Trump. They may not agree with everything he does, but they're worried about him becoming president.
SPEAKER 03 :
and point is guys we've gotten look past this past year 2024. we had what was going on in israel continue on no real leadership they're not saying that israel isn't a leader but no real leadership from the united states on trying to get that thing you know ended and put away same thing in ukraine with russia the reality is there's been just this huge vacuum if you would of leadership from us as the united states of america which i know there's been times in our history where some of that has happened in the past, but let me tell you what, and I'm looking forward to 2025 because I believe that vacuum has been filled. Again, I'm not saying Donald Trump by any means is our messiah or our savior, and you guys all know my feelings on all of that. He's got his set of faults just like the rest of us do, so the reality is he's no different than the rest of us, but the one thing that he can do and has done and proven it is, and even right now, we're talking about the other world leaders. Currently, he's not even inaugurated yet, And he's acting like the president. The reality is he will lead where a lot of the other folks right now that have been there have not. And Bob, he'll fill that void. That I am confident of.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Well, and something else, too, that, you know, I was mentioning the media, the legacy media earlier. And I never would have thought it possible that any Republican president could actually cause the media to somewhat be on the defensive. But frankly, I'm glad to see that Donald Trump is bringing these lawsuits. He brings a lawsuit against ABC News and George Stephanopoulos and what happens next. They have to apologize and give $15 million to his presidential library. He's suing CBS for $10 billion. He's not going to collect that. But you know what? But at least it's sending a message. Yeah, it's sending a message to them that, you know what, there's a new sheriff in town and we're not going to let you get away with this anymore. OK, we're going to I'm going to start hauling you guys into court. And now he's suing the Des Moines, Iowa Register newspaper, as well as that pollster that right before the election had Kamala Harris beating Trump by three points in Iowa, when the truth is Trump beat her by 13 points in Iowa. And now she's getting sued. And so what I think at a minimum is going to happen here is that you're going to have the executives at the major networks as well as the big newspapers across the country that are going to be telling their people you can't be this sloppy anymore. All right. You have to at least give a semblance of fairness. And because let's face it, they've been willing. It used to be, John, you remember this. Neil, you do, too. It used to be that the media was subtle and nuanced in the way that they carried out their bias. And we would educate our listeners how to read between the lines. Now they're just outright saying things like, yeah, Donald Trump called neo-Nazis very fine people. He said if you had COVID, drink bleach. He said there's going to be a bloodbath in the streets from his followers if he doesn't win. Hey, he was found liable for rape, George Stephanopoulos. You know, they're just getting sloppy and lying over the top. And now I think they're being put on notice.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because they've been allowed to. Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER 05 :
And their executives are telling them, we're not showing up millions of dollars for your sloppiness anymore.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. Neil, your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think conservatives have always been skeptical of the mainstream media to some degree. And so that's a good thing. But I really think they really tipped their hand on the Biden thing. They overplayed their hand. And Bob, getting sloppy is probably the, you know, when somebody may be- Yeah. Stealing money from a company they're embezzling or whatever. And they're real careful at first. But after they get away with it for five, six, seven years, they get sloppy and then all of a sudden they get caught. Well, on the issue of Biden, I mean, you got you got Dr. Kevin O'Connor, the president's doctor, supposedly saying, oh, he's fit as a fiddle, man. He's good to go. and the obamas and the you know all the power brokers in washington he's good for another four years no problem then you put him on national tv against donald trump and i don't think trump did particularly well and i mean he did okay in that he didn't quite you know squash biden but when biden's staring off into space and fumbling over his words it was apparent and then you know what then that reinforced the feeling we all had i kind of feel like they're not always telling us the truth i kind of feel like they're lying to us and boom there was the moment i believe When the Band-Aid was ripped off and all of a sudden it was like, we have been systematically lied to. Then they shove Kamala Harris down the throat of the Democrat Party and say, this will be your nominee. No primary, no chance to vote, no – conversation about it, just she's the nominee. And I really think even Democrats at that point said, all right, I'm out, I'm off, I'm off this ship, and either didn't vote or switch their vote. I think more likely they didn't vote, but I think it took the steam out of whatever was happening there for the Democrats. And in the end, truth prevailed, right? I mean, he was not fit to be president, probably even in 2020, and definitely not in 2024. We were lied to.
SPEAKER 03 :
And to prove that point even further, Bob, the assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life in Pennsylvania, had that not been televised live as it was, the other networks were still, you know, misinforming folks of what actually happened that day. Fortunately, it was live on Fox News or other channels. I don't remember if it was Fox or what. I think it was Fox News. But whoever was carrying the actual rally that day, it was actually televised live. Had it not been for that, who knows what we would have heard, Bob?
SPEAKER 05 :
You know what? That is a good point, too. Well, look, you had the director of the FBI, Christopher Wray, testifying before Congress. I don't know. It might have been shrapnel. It could have been glass. Give me a break. No, look, it's very true. If you think about it, I am kind of curious how— how history, a generation from now, how history will look back on the Trump-Biden-Trump 12-year period. I really do because, first of all, think about how historic this is. Never in my lifetime have we seen an actual vacancy in the presidency where no one is the functioning president. You have a dementia patient wandering around being propped up. I mean, that's just incredible. And then, of course, to have a well-known celebrity and developer like Donald Trump become president. But then also, some of the things that he accomplished. I mean, do you realize what a big deal the Abraham Accords really are? Since 1948, when Israel became a nation, every president has tried to get that feather in their cap of just one, just one Middle East peace deal. And almost everybody has come up empty, almost everybody. Bill Clinton managed to get one with little Jordan, okay? And Jordan's a very moderate nation. So, okay, but give Bill Clinton credit. He deserves the history books for that. Jimmy Carter with Egypt and Anwar Sadat, even though that was mostly Anwar Sadat. But still, give it to him in the history books. But everybody else, Ronald Reagan, eight years, not one. Barack Obama, eight years, not one. George W. Bush, eight years, not one. Nobody's been able to get one. Donald Trump, four years against four. And he was working on the fifth with Saudi Arabia when Biden replaced him. So he – He deserves to be in the history books, not to mention how many presidents get shot with blood running down their face and stand up defiantly and pump their fist. He belongs in the history books for legitimately good reasons. And I'm curious how historians in the next generation.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know we're running short on time, but Bob, as far as that goes as well, also one of the presidents that got the Supreme Court to where it is today that had a huge effect on Roe v. Wade. And that's where Preborn comes in.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's right. Roe v. Wade was overturned. We're thankful. But it doesn't mean that the abortion industry is going away. No, they're kicking it into high gear. And they're doing everything they can to convince women to come into Planned Parenthood and get an abortion. Well, pro-life centers around the country are doing everything they can to convince women to let that baby live. And you know one of the best ways to do this? Show her an ultrasound image of her baby. That's right. That's what Preborn does in pro-life centers all across the country. When that mom sees a picture of her baby, she chooses life almost all the time. Usually she accepts Jesus Christ too. But it does take money to show these ultrasound images. And that's why we're asking you folks in the audience, will you pay for ultrasound images? Here's how you can pay. Number one, just go ahead and go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn, and pray about a number of babies' lives you'd like to save. $28 will save one baby's life. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion. So take $28 times fill in the blank. Whatever that number is, that's your forever legacy of the amount of baby's lives you saved. The other way is by buying an ultrasound machine. They're $15,000 a piece, nice tax write-off for you, but your forever legacy is gonna be you are stopping thousands and thousands of abortions year after year. And 100% of what you give to Preborn goes to ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. So here's how you give. Go CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn right there. Or you can give over the phone. They answer the phones 24-7. So call 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY. And just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call.
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SPEAKER 03 :
And that's it for this first half, guys. You can listen to the second half next right here on the National Crawford Roundtable.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back. Second half, National Carver Roundtable. Myself, Bob Duco from Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live from Buffalo, New York. All right, guys, we sort of went, I don't want to say we were negative in that first half, but just talking about realistic things that happened in 2024. We always look forward to the new year, of course. And I don't want to get off on a tangent here or not, but just going to throw this out. Do either one of you do resolutions? Because I don't.
SPEAKER 04 :
Nope. I did for years and failed at every single one of them. So I quit. I'm done with resolution. I made a resolution to never make resolutions again.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's the only one I've kept. Make a resolution to not have resolution. And you know, there's a lot of folks listening that will do that. And I'm not against anybody that wants to set something You know, different in their life. I mean, there's been several different years, guys, where I don't know if it was a resolution or just a goal where, you know, there's certain things I wanted to do, certain things I wanted to read for several years I read through. you know, the entire Bible, you know, each year. And, you know, those were some, I don't call them resolutions, but goals. And I think for a lot of folks listening, there's nothing wrong with having some goals, setting those, making sure that you can achieve those. You know, as you then go down the road and look back on those years, knowing you did certain things, there's a sense of accomplishment there. And, you know, I'm never going to take that away from anybody, but yeah, I'm the same way as you guys. I'm not a huge, you know, resolution guy. It's sort of like, okay, yeah, it's maybe it's because we get older. It's just another year. And here we go, guys. Is that how it is?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it's another year, another day. That's how I look at it. I mean, you know, anything that we need to get motivated to do differently, we can get motivated to do that differently anytime. And I just for me, I feel like if you pick a day like, oh, the first day of the year as though there's something unique and special about that.
SPEAKER 03 :
resolutions for the most part are broken what do they say an average of a couple weeks afterwards so because the habits don't get formed and you know no offense people really aren't serious about it i'm with you bob if you're going to do something you start doing it whether it's the you know january 1st or whether it's you know march 15th it doesn't make any difference once you decide to do something and make a change that's what you should do and again folks please i am not trying to knock anybody that has something they would like to do. And the start date is January 1. I mean, you do you, that's fine. I just am not somebody that is that way. I am, as you guys know, as you probably would know, I am a goal setter. I like to see certain things done and so on. And I help a lot of my different clients in the business world do the same thing. And Again, though, that's not something that I just do on January 1. Those are ongoing things that you're continuing to look at and making adjustments accordingly, Bob and Neil, because that's just the way that end of it works. We kind of do the same thing even with our radio programs. There are certain things that we want to accomplish, whether it be weekly, quarterly, annually, whatever the case may be. This year is going to be definitely different for all three of us given the inauguration coming up in 20 days and the fact that Donald Trump will be president because, believe me, And Neil, I'll start with you. I do think things will change. How much? And again, I'm not saying that he's the fix-all, but there's right now a cabinet being formed and people being put in place that are a lot different, 180 degrees different than it was the last time around.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, I mean, he had made the promise to drain the swamp in 2016 and came in with that intention, but he started listening to the voices in Washington saying, well, this is the guy you're going to need to run that. That's the woman that should be in charge of that. And I think he made some foolish mistakes. This time, he's not trusting them. He's looking at the loyalty factor. And right or wrong, I mean, he could be proven wrong in this, but I have a sense that he's going after people that he knows want no part of the established swamp in Washington, D.C., and is making a concerted effort to bring change to our nation's capital. And I think anybody that's going to be honest has to look at government in general and just say, we need change. Bottom line, something has to change. Ronald Reagan had made several statements. I can't recall exactly what they were, but the bottom line is like, you know you're in trouble when the government says they're here to help.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it's kind of true because, you know, they get off on power, they get off on taking our money through taxes, and they're supposed to be working for us, but I don't think the vast majority of the American people actually believe that. Donald Trump is putting some people in there that are going to take a totally different angle at dealing with these issues. And yeah, it might be a little scary at first because there's people in there that you would have never thought, you know, to be in the post that they've been assigned to. But we'll see how it goes. I really think, though, people are optimistic about change. And I'm looking forward to this year for that very reason.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bob, I can't disagree with Neil on any of that. I think everything he just said, I agree with, by the way. I think people are optimistic. What will it be like? Time will tell, of course. We'll keep talking about it each week as we go through this year, not only on our shows but on this podcast as well. But I'm excited. I think he's putting some good people in place. I think this last election cycle, by the way, showed – and we talked about this in the last half – showed that people do want a change. They're tired of what's been going on before – And whether it's, you know, they're tired of it for the social reasons or they're tired of it because the economic reasons or they're tired of it because it's a combination of both. Reality is they said, I want to change and I want to go back in time, by the way, to the guy that did it already.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Well, and I do believe that we're going to see some huge transformations in the way that things are done in this country. One of those huge transformations is going to be health care. I mean, it really is. RFK Jr., I think, is going to be a very powerful force for HHS. And this has the potential to be an actual generational change and not just a presidential four-year change because I think when the American public starts getting a taste of credibility given to alternative healing methods, okay, starts getting, starts saying that, wait a minute, the establishment and their marriage that they have with big pharma is something that needs to be broken up and people start looking outside that box. And before you know it, insurance companies, I think the possibility exists for some insurance companies to start saying, you know what, maybe it'd be better for us to start covering some of these various alternative treatment methods. I agree. Not to mention actually examining things like vaccinations and vaccinating our kids. Are we over-vaccinating our kids? Is there a link between increased vaccinations and autism? Or is that just crazy, wacky conspiracy theory talk that you can never speak out loud? Well, no, these things need to start being spoken out loud.
SPEAKER 04 :
so yeah i i think there's some big changes coming and neil that leads into our sponsor sunpower led because everything bob just said he is spot on i've been chomping at the bit to jump on this one because it's so true and uh actually it was four years ago at this time in 2001 i had my son and daughter-in-law had come over for christmas all of our family was there and They gave me a wonderful present that year. They gave me COVID for the first time. So December of 2020, I got COVID, and by January of 2021, I was in pretty rough shape. So literally, I mean, my blood oxygen saturation was at 79. People were saying, you should be in the hospital. Thank God I wasn't delirious, but you know, I was really suffering. Couldn't walk to the bathroom. Without becoming so winded, I thought I was gonna pass out. Well, the problem was my lungs weren't healing, and that went on for the better part of a month. until Tom Kerber, who's with Kerber Applied Research, told me about what's called red light therapy or photobiomodulation, which is literally taking the very light that God himself created and using certain wavelengths of that light to penetrate your body, get to those cells that are damaged, provide energy for them, excite the mitochondria and the cells to wake up so that the cell does what it was created to do, and that's heal the human body. And in a matter of a few days, all of a sudden, my numbers were climbing, and in just over a week, I was at 98, 99%. I hadn't made any progress in the better part of a month. I was literally tethered to an oxygen machine. And by God's grace, I was healed. And I want you to know that that kind of therapy is available. You need to check out SunPowerLED. Just go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. And if you want to deal with, you know, if you need a reduction of pain or swelling in your body, you want to see the promotion of healing in your body, check it out. SunPowerLED at CrawfordMediaGroup.net.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, Bob, one of the other things that might change on the abortion front, let's face it, I know where RFK Jr. stands on these things. On the same token, he's a fiscally responsible guy, and it'll be interesting to see if some of the funding that our tax dollars, yours, mine, and Neil's, now goes towards abortions. It'll be interesting to see if any of that changes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you know, it would be very interesting because one thing's for sure, whether it does change or whether it doesn't change, there's something that we can do about it. We can save babies' lives by paying for ultrasound images for those moms to see their babies. Preborn is the main pro-life group that does this in pro-life centers all across the country. And as you hear me say every day, when a mom sees a picture of her baby, she chooses life. She doesn't go across the street to Planned Parenthood. She lets her baby live almost all the time and usually accepts Jesus Christ too. So what we wanna do is show as many of these ultrasound images as we possibly can, but it does take money to do this. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to save one baby's life, to stop one abortion. So pray about a number of abortions you'd be willing to stop. You know, in this new year, maybe, what a great way to kick it off. Okay, take $28 times fill in the blank. And whatever that number is, that's your forever number of baby's lives that you saved, your forever legacy. Now, if you can afford it, buy an ultrasound machine because we don't have enough of them. Okay, they're $15,000 a piece. Your forever legacy will be to stop thousands and thousands of abortions year after year. And it's a nice tax write-off for you, too. But either way, give to Preborn now, and 100% of what you give goes to fund ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. You can give two ways, online or on the phone. Online, go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. Or the answer to the phone is 24-7. So go ahead and call now, 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, this next topic, I did not throw in my notes, but I want to throw it out to you guys because I was talking about this on my program recently. And one of the things that we've seen a lot of, and it'll be interesting to see how 2025 goes, but in 2024, we saw more, quote unquote, UFO sightings and evidence of. And we even had some congressional hearings where Some Christians, by the way, were asking about undersea worlds and things along those lines, which in my opinion, by the way, it's all just a bunch of hooey. It's not true. I don't believe in other life forms anywhere else in the universe. I think it's all a ploy by Satan. And here's my take on it. I'll get your opinion on this first, Neil. My feeling is that the day the second coming happens and the saints are raptured, the world will need an explanation. And my feeling is that explanation will be aliens abducted or did this or did that, and my feeling is the reason why we're seeing a lot more of these quote-unquote alien phenomenas, which, again, I don't believe in, is to, by the way, set the narrative for the second coming of Christ. Am I right or not, Neil?
SPEAKER 04 :
I tend to agree with you. Something has to happen in order to make it explainable. And I would guess that there are lost people in the world who don't know anything about the rapture that don't quite know why they're fascinated with these kinds of things and promoting these kind of theories. But is there something out there in the sky? Well, I don't know. People are seeing it with their own eyes. When we saw Joe Biden unable to conduct himself during the Trump debate, our own eyes told us that there was something going on. And I think that if there's any kind of an explanation other than some foreign military trying to gather intelligence or something, it probably has to do with exactly what you're saying, that there's an attempt to increase technology. Hey, that's a good thing. We need better technology. You know, make our defense systems more effective. Yeah, that's what we're doing. We're testing these drones to see how we would defend against them or whatever. Maybe it's some company. Who knows? Who knows what's going on? But you're 100% right. That will be, I think... the very thing that the enemy uses to try to convince people that people were not actually raptured according to God's word. And I realize there are Christians who don't believe in a pre-trib rapture kind of thing. But on the other hand, man, how else would you explain the disappearance of millions of people? And by the way, immediately after that happens, there will be no further National Crawford Roundtable podcast.
SPEAKER 03 :
Don't, because we'll be gone.
SPEAKER 04 :
We're signing, that's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Great, I'm going to get stuck doing it alone. Yeah, you'll be here by yourself, Bob. I hate when that happens. I knew it. I knew it. Bob, I mean, am I way off in left field or what are your thoughts?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I don't think you are at all. Satan's not stupid, obviously. And so I think that we've already seen a lot of anti-Christ dress rehearsal prep in many different areas. Frankly, I think that the COVID hysteria, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this wasn't a little bit of a dress rehearsal, partially by Satan and his demons to see how hard is it going to be to get a bunch of people like Lemmings to walk in line, give up their freedoms for fear of just needing somebody to keep them alive. And then, yeah, the UFOs thing. Yeah, I can see that. I can see the enemy.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is a question I wanted to ask you specifically because you are kind of the mainstay in this. You do a lot more work and study on this than probably any one of the three of us does. When it comes to some of these quote-unquote phenomenons, Do you feel like those are real, or are those things that Satan is putting in front of these individuals to get them to believe that way? In other words, where does his power end when it comes to what he can do with certain alterations of things? Let me say it that way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Satan does have the ability to violate the laws of physics. Correct. I mean, he can cause things to levitate. He's violating gravity when he does that in the so-called haunted house. He can make pictures, get knocked off of a mantle and such, and pose as poltergeists. And so he does have the ability to interact with the physical world, and he is a deceiver. So UFO sightings, frankly, I think the overwhelming majority of them, there's some kind of natural explanation for it. People see a little bit of something, they tell the story 20 times, and their imagination fills in the gaps.
SPEAKER 03 :
And now Bigfoot appears.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly, and they created more than there really was. But there are some times where you have phenomenon that seem to be defying the laws of physics. And in those cases, yeah, I think that this is demonic trickery creating an interest and a fascination there. in the idea of UFOs and sightings. Keep one thing in mind, when you see these orbs that are moving really fast at quick 90 degree angles, any carbon-based life form that would be in them would be decimated through g-force of that. Secondly, a lot of these things that are moving are moving faster than the speed of sound. Yet, you know what? It's not creating any sonic boom and they're not creating any kind of atmospheric burn trail. This tells me these are phantom images that are being created by the enemy to get people fascinated. Yeah, to deceive and to lure people into a fascination with other worlds visiting us. Yes, potentially setting the stage for a rapture explanation.
SPEAKER 03 :
And this is where, again, I go back to what I was talking about earlier, Neal, where Christians, unfortunately, can even get caught up in some of this stuff. And I know some Christians that, well, Lauren Boebert claims to be a Christian, and yet she's the one talking on Capitol Hill about underworld, you know, colonies of whatever life form. I don't even know where she was going with all of that, by the way, Neal. But we have Christians, and maybe they're not as firm in their foundation as they should be, but we've got Christians that believe in this nonsense. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Man, I got so much to say, I'm not even sure how to start and where to end. But this whole thing represents, again, distraction in my mind. Because, you know, here's one example. I ran into a lot of people during the Biden years who said, oh, man, we got to get him out. We got to get Trump back in so that the church... you know, has the ability to preach the gospel and to do evangelism. Well, guess what? Just like you said with preborn, Bob, whether or not the laws say, you know, that it's legal to kill a child in any particular state in our nation, we still have the ability to talk to people about life, you know, to talk about those issues. So the point being that even during the Biden administration, who knows, maybe somebody would have ended up in jail. I doubt it yet, but someday, you know, that could happen. uh that somebody would end up in jail well during the trumpet years we feel a sense of of common and rest about that okay so the point is we've got great opportunity right now we've got the ability to live our faith out you know and so what are we going to do we're going to focus on ufos really like and and by the way if there is something in the sky shouldn't we be talking about the fact that the son of man jesus is coming back in the sky to take people home with him and so we shall ever be with the lord right i mean the bottom line is we need to be talking to people about things like the gospel i'm not saying we can't be curious or ask questions about this or enjoy watching a movie or two that raises the possibility of alien life forms but ultimately we have a responsibility to talk about truth and truth is found in god's word so let's take i mean there's some pretty amazing things todd you ever read the book of revelation and some of the things that are there the ten horned beast and you know, these creatures with eyeballs all over it. Why are people not fascinated with God's Word, only what Hollywood has to tell us, or what they're picking up off the internet?
SPEAKER 03 :
Bob, I can't agree with Neil anymore. It kind of goes back into our original conversation we opened up the podcast with in regards to, you know, Christians believing in a flat earth. If Christians that were in that realm, by the way, spent as much time on the things Neil just talked about, rather than proving that there's a flat earth, we'd all be better off.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, we definitely would be. And maybe 2025 is a year that the body of Christ starts getting a little bit more serious about their faith in Christ and realizing how deep into the end times we really are. Because we're talking politically. There's a sense of optimism, I think, about Donald Trump coming in and a Donald Trump presidency coming. There's not optimism among the gals on The View, but for a lot of Americans, there certainly is, and that's good. But we got to remember, and I know we've all said this many times, we may hope for certain things in this world, but our hope is not in these things. Donald Trump isn't the savior. Look, I'm glad he's going to be inaugurated later this month. I think that that's great. I think it's going to be great for America. But my hope and my peace and my security does not come from that. It comes from Jesus Christ, because ultimately, we know how this ends, okay? This earth is gonna be destroyed again and God's gonna create a new heavens and a new earth and it's gonna get farther and farther away from godliness. This is what Jesus predicted. So slight temporary reversals in many areas that Trump can do, yes, that's great. But let's make sure that our hope and our peace doesn't come from what Trump can get done. Let's make sure our hope and our peace comes from the knowledge of Jesus Christ and he's the one that's in control.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know it's a little early here, but Neil, it just ties in with SunPowerLED and the fact that I do a health and wellness segment every week on my program Wednesdays for the first hour of my show. And one of the things that's near and dear to me is people's wellness. I think, by the way, as Christians, that we have also not taken the lead in that area. We allowed the world, by the way, to take the lead through things like you know, yoga and all sorts of other things that are out there when it comes to being physically fit, and the church honestly failed when it comes to, you know, showing people what it really takes to live a fulfilled, healthy life. I mean, I've said it before, and I'm not trying to, you know, criticize, but, you know, typically at church, you go and get coffee and a donut. You're not getting things that are super healthy, even potlucks and such. And again, I grew up with all of this stuff, so I know firsthand how that looks. And by the way, how most of the people look that are attending those particular events. And so my point is, we have the power to take our health into our own hands. And I believe as Christians, we should be, and yet most don't.
SPEAKER 04 :
don't mess with our ice cream socials john there you go there i mean you're 100 right and i think that the shock that rfk jr you know was mentioned as the possible secretary of health and human services was rooted in the fact that we just want to believe that there's a simple answer to everything just take a pill and you'll be fine but we're sicker than ever and you know americans may be living longer but they're not healthy there's a big difference i mean if you're infirmed and you're laying in a nursing home unable to do anything and you're on 42 different medications are you actually living at that point so you know what's it going to take for us to live happier healthier lives and i submit that that medication is not the answer Big Pharma has a vested financial interest in keeping every single one of us on medication. But if there are alternative forms of therapy or interventions that can help make us healthier, like red light therapy, then we ought to investigate what it's about. And I want to encourage people to go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on SunPowerLED, because literally certain wavelengths of light, the very light God created, are being used to penetrate the body through devices created by SunPower LED that excite the mitochondria in the cell, wake up the cell and cause the cell to do it. It's designed by God to do. You know, you don't have to teach a little infant to heal. Like if it accidentally cuts its finger a little bit, you could sit there and watch that body heal. Why is that? Because God created it that way. Well, learn about what SunPower LED can do for you to reduce pain and swelling and promote healing in your body. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on SunPower LED to learn all about it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bob, one of the things that we get wrong all the time, or I should say the left gets wrong all the time, is calling abortion women's health. Speaking of health, it is not women's health.
SPEAKER 05 :
It's not. It's not women's health care at all, let alone necessary health care to execute an unborn baby. And, you know, we got to not just save these babies lives. We got to help these moms, too, because a mom is way better off when she chooses life. She doesn't have to deal with all the emotional baggage that comes from the guilt of that abortion. So you can save babies' lives, everybody, by paying for ultrasound images for the moms to see. You see pre-borns in pro-life centers all across the country, and they're showing ultrasound images to these moms, and moms choose life when they see a picture of their baby. But the problem is that we don't have enough ultrasound machines and enough ultrasound images being shown because it costs money. That's why we're asking everybody in the audience right now, will you pay for a certain number of ultrasound images? $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby's life. So pray about a number of baby's lives you'll save. Take $28 times fill in the blank. And that becomes your forever legacy of the number of abortions that you and your family stopped, okay? Now, if you can afford it, buy an ultrasound machine. They're $15,000 a piece. Nice tax write-off for you. But your forever legacy will be that you are stopping thousands and thousands of abortions year after year. But for everybody else, pray about a number of abortions you'll be willing to stop. $28 times fill in the blank. And here's how you give. Go online to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. You can give right there, and 100% of what you give goes to the ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. If you want to talk to a real-life person over the phone, they answer 24-7. Call now, 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY.
SPEAKER 03 :
Guys, I appreciate that very much. And yes, all of you, please support our sponsors. Preborn, who's been with us literally the entire year of 2024. And of course, Red Light coming on here at the very end. We appreciate both of them greatly. Guys, kind of ending on a lighter note here. McDonald's. So in 2024... McDonald's was probably, as a retail organization, food place, in the news, probably, Bob, more than anybody else in that space.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, sure. I mean, let's face it. When you get the former president of the United States and the new incoming president of the United States putting on an apron and working the drive-thru counter and the fries at McDonald's, you're going to make it in the news. But then also, my goodness, to have people be giving that one McDonald's in Pennsylvania one-star reviews because they're angry on behalf of the CEO killer that they've turned into some hot, hunky – Oh, my word. It's like you have to be kidding me. So, yeah, I mean, McDonald's is – there's no doubt. They have been – they have absolutely been in the – which, by the way, I should say, Donald – did you guys happen to see that meme that Donald Trump did that he forwarded about the drones?
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Chris Christie? Oh, no. It's insulting, but this just shows Trump he's got a sense of humor, okay? I don't think he originated this, but he saw it and then he forwarded it and put it on his truth social. It's an explanation for the drones. And what you see are these drones that are carrying and delivering big McDonald's bags down to Chris Christie sitting there at a table while he's munching a bunch of McDonald's himself. That's bad.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bad but funny. I know.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
But it's funny because, you know, Neil, even, you know, McDonald's has even capitalized on all of this in a big way because, you know, for a while you're even seeing the golden arches in the Trump name. I mean, McDonald's did great on a lot of these things and got a lot of literal free press when it was all said and done.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and I'm not sure they really need the press, seriously. I took four, my grandson and three other nine-year-olds, I take to a little boys' program at church every week, and one week I promised to take them out, so they all wanted fries from McDonald's. $2.89 for a small fry. It was more than $13 to give these guys a small fry. I thought, McDonald's is doing well. I'm going to donate my money to Preborn. I'm going to buy a unit from SunPower LED. I'm going to save my money and use it for God's glory.
SPEAKER 03 :
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