FBI Director Christopher Wray officially announces his resignation. Biden continues his pardon spree.Trump rings the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange. WNBA Superstar Caitlin Clark doubles down after getting bullied by racist players and says she will help elevate black WNBA players because it’s “very important”. Donald Trump wins 2024 TIME’s Person of the Year. Was their cover a backhanded compliment?
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After weeks of careful thought, I've decided the right thing for the Bureau is for me to serve until the end of the current administration in January and then step down. My goal is to keep the focus on our mission, on the indispensable work each of you is doing every single day. And in my view, this is the best way to avoid dragging the Bureau deeper into the fray while reinforcing the values and principles that are so important in how we do our work. And I should go without saying, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it anyways, this is not easy for me. I love this place, I love our mission, and I love our people. But my focus is, and always has been, on us and on doing what's right for the FBI.
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Well, Chris Wray going to, well, I mean, of course he's going to step down, and he needed to. And I think that, I think there was one sound bite that Trump had said, well, what's wrong with him? You know, why did he, basically kind of questioning why he turned out to be such a, yeah, yeah, yeah, why he was such a, I'm trying to think of a polite way to put it, and I don't think there's a... You know, an SOB. I don't know how else to put it. Yeah, or that. So, welcome to the show. Dana Lash with you. Top of this first hour. And we have... Gosh. It's... I mean, honestly, most of everything is boring as all hell. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to go over the same, like, lower-level cabinet picks. Do we need to know, like, who's going to... I mean, it's important to know, but I feel like you guys can look that up. You guys can do it on your own time because there's other stuff that we have to touch on, too. We only have three hours and that doesn't seem like it seems like a long time, but it's not a long time. So Chris Ray is out, which, you know, we knew it's paving the way. Probably, I would say for Cash Patel. Right. I mean, that's kind of. That's where we're going. I mean, that's what it looks like anyway. But I don't know. There's a lot of back and forth as to whether or not he's going to have difficulty getting confirmed, Kash Patel. I kind of think that maybe he I just don't know if there's any baggage. I feel like it would have already come up. Honestly, wouldn't it have? It would have already come up. If he had any baggage, it would have already been out there. Yeah. So I just I feel like he's going to get I feel like he's going to be fine. He's he's I don't think it's going to be an issue with him. I feel like he's going to be he's going to end up being confirmed. So that's just some of the latest. So Chris Ray stepping down. He's finally. And I do think that that was one of Trump's worst moves is putting him in there. He had a lot of if you remember, Chris Ray had a lot of objections to him. from the beginning. If memory serves, right? A lot of people were objecting to him in the beginning. And I feel like there was good reason as to why. He was kind of a bureaucratic swamp beast, I guess. Is that the best way to put it? Yeah, we're going to go with that. He was kind of like a bureaucratic swamp beast. And that's just... I don't think that you can work with someone. It's just not. He's compromised. And the FBI, considering everything that the FBI was responsible for doing, I mean, if you look at the tagging of parents as domestic terrorists, which was by itself pretty insane, the tagging of parents as domestic terrorists, the complete, I mean, missing so many things. the terrorist incidents that took place on his watch, on Chris Wray's watch. So this is just all, you know, some... it's good that he's gone. It's good that he's gone. Now, I don't know how long he's going to stay in. I mean, because you're going to have an acting FBI director. So that's not beyond the realm of possibility to have an acting FBI director. But I think Kash Patel, I think he'll be fine. I think he'll be fine. So also the big news today is the number of Commutations. I was actually reading about this. This is the first thing I was reading about this morning. The commutations coming from Joe Biden. It is the largest. in i don't know american history they keep saying modern american history but i feel like i don't know of any other historical time excuse me where there where there's been this many commutations it's the largest single day act of clemency in modern history and it is four and a half times Four and a half times the number that was granted by Barack Obama, who held it previously at, what, 330? And that was his last full day in office in 2017. And he did all of these commutations at that particular time. So Biden, I mean, you're looking at 1,500 people now. Fifteen hundred people. And then there were an additional thirty nine that were involved in nonviolent crime. So you had thirty nine people involved in nonviolent crime. And it was. What I mean for over four and a half times, but fifteen hundred people, some of these were violent crimes, though, by the way. I feel like it's important to kind of, you know, FYI. Some of them were. This idea that they weren't, that's kind of laughable. So in looking at this, these commutations, they said that some of them affect individuals who were placed on home confinement due to the coronavirus rules. And they served out those sentences for about one year after they were released. And they said that the news of the... I mean, they... That's an insane amount of people. Are you counting Hunter Biden amongst? I wonder if there's like an extra for his brother or any. Has anybody gone through all of them yet? Has anybody because there are a lot of Bidens that are, you know, you could have his brother. Who's his brother, Jim Biden? You could have Jim Biden up there. You know, it's very important to make sure that we're reading through all this stuff. So just saying. So the these commutations single day, the single largest for these commutations, fifteen hundred thirty nine largest single act clemency. Pretty, pretty unbelievable. And of course, it's Joe Biden who did it. Are people surprised? Are they surprised? They said that they had high level discussions about preemptive pardons. And for people who they felt might be a target, they're looking at protecting all of these people that they think are going to be targeted by the Trump administration. That's not really how I mean, he didn't do it the first time. So why would he do it the second time? Why would he do it the second time? He didn't do it the first time. He didn't go. He didn't go after Hillary Clinton. He didn't go after her. He even said, no, I'm just going to take it easier. I'm not going to do it. So I'm not quite sure what I just think that's stupid. That's just that's just that's just so goofy. He never did that the first time around. So that's a. One of the other things, and we're going to come back to this, one of the other things that we're watching as well. Also, a couple of other things to touch on, and I'm looking at some of the audio that we have here that I wanted to get into. So the president, Audio Soundbite 9, he was named Times Person of the Year. He opened, opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange this morning. Watch.
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With the whole thing on.
SPEAKER 17 :
This is not his first time doing this, right? I mean, it's Trump. He's had it done before. He's got his time person of the year. Boy, how things change in eight years time. Look at his cover. Look at the cover. And then remember when they put the orange cartoon on? When Time Magazine, yeah, they went after him and they put the orange cartoon on. And when you look at the magazine cover now, as opposed to how they had previously represented him, that's pretty amazing. All of that in just eight years' time. He also made some remarks. This is audio some by 10. He was talking about the corporate tax rate of which the United States has the highest. Listen to what he says here. This was interesting. New policy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I think I've always said, you know, to me, stock market is very all of it, you know, all of it together. It's very important. It's an honor to be here at New York Stock Exchange. I sort of joked that I actually bought the building across the street because the stock exchange was here. It's a big deal. Forty. It's a nice building. Forty Wall Street. Look, we're going to do things, I think, that haven't been really done before. We're going to be cutting taxes still further. You know, we got it down to 21%. We're going to bring it down even below that. You pay 21 if you don't build here, meaning your product or whatever it is you're building. And if you do, we're going to try getting it down to 15%. But you have to build your product, make your product in the USA.
SPEAKER 17 :
Good for them. Got to make your product, build your product here in the U.S. of A. Of course. And that's that's an interesting policy. So if you're not doing the bulk, I'm wondering what the tax rate is going to be lowered to. I mean, if you if you are not manufacturing in the United or does it have to be 100 percent manufactured in the United States? Is there going to be is there some kind of. Oh, I don't know, like a quota. Well, yeah. I'm just curious if there's going to be like a quota. What is he going to have? I'm curious as to how that's going to work out. So I'm excited to hear about that because our corporate tax rate is stupid. It is stupid high. I think we've talked about this before. It's super, super ridiculously high. And to lower the corporate tax rate, are we at 35? I was trying to remember. We're at the end of the week and everybody's drunk on eggnog. Let's be real.
SPEAKER 07 :
Half of you people are like, the current corporate tax rate is 21 percent, according to this.
SPEAKER 17 :
OK, it's 20. So 21, 21 percent. It's still too damn high. That's it's it's insane when you consider that like China's rate, China's rate, China, the commie country of China, their rate is lower than ours. That's insane. It's insane. That's absolutely insane. So he says, we're going to lower it. If you produce in the United States, we're going to cut it down to 15%. And what was I thinking, 35? I was thinking of like a tax. I was thinking of a tax cut.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think that's what it was before. I think it was like 38%. Hang on, hang on, hang on.
SPEAKER 17 :
I only have this partially finished in my notes. So hang on. That's the sound Google makes. I don't know if you guys knew that or not. So he did—I mean, he did lower it. I thought Biden had raised it, though, afterwards. The reason that I ask this is because the— Because the EU was even looking at reducing after what Trump did. The EU was looking to match what Trump did to copy what he did. So this is good. And I'm fascinated at seeing what else can be done. Because 15% rate, I mean, that would explode growth, I would think, right? I mean, you would... So from 21% to 15%, you would see... I mean, it's going to government's going to have to tighten its belt a little bit. Right. Your government's going to have to practice a little bit of austerity. And that was the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. That's what reduced the corporate. So it was. You're right. It was. That's what I was thinking. Thirty five. It was previously thirty five. So under that in 2017. Trump lowered it to 21% and he wants to lower it further. I think had he been elected consecutively for another term, I think that we would have already seen it at 15% because I remember covering some of his, I don't know if it was one of his, not inauguration speech, State of the Union addresses, where he had made mention of things that they had to do in order to continue lowering the corporate tax rate Because I think there was some bureaucracy that they were eliminating and things like that. That was one thing I will say that he was super consistent on. I know a lot of people give him grief over guns, obviously, and some other things. But on the corporate tax rate, he actually was pretty consistent on it. I do wish that the entirety of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act had been made permanent because it wasn't. Remember, there was part of it that was permanent and part of it sunset. And then that's when we all saw our taxes go back up. So I hope in addition to that, he makes that permanent, too. So that's good news. That's really good news. We're going to talk more about that here as we roll throughout the program. So a lot of stuff to touch on. We're also going to get into some of the Caitlin Clark controversy. So she had responded to a lot of. You know, she was, you know, player. She got all these awards, all this recognition, a lot of controversy surrounding her. We're going to touch on that. We've got some cultural things as well to hit on. So a lot of things to touch on today as we get you set up our partners, the non-firearm firearm. It's Burna Gun. And Burna is a great option if you're looking to diversify your your self-defense array and the reason i say this is because people always like want to they they want to go i'm always going to carry and i'm never going to go into any gun-free zone and that's great for you i have no problem carrying i tell people to carry i have literally no issue at all whatsoever with using lethal force to protect myself or the life of another That being said, because, you know, we're all big grown people. Sometimes we have to go to places that demand that you don't carry a firearm. And whether it's, you know, government property, whether it's private property, whether it's whatever it is, and you have to go there anyway. And so this is where the Burna gun comes in. It's the Burna SD is their best selling self-defense option that they have. And it can shoot chemical irritant projectiles that can stop threats from up to 50 feet away. And it has five rounds. Standard stun guns have like one or two. So this has five rounds. It's legal in all 50 states. It doesn't give a rat's backside about gun-free zones. No background checks. And it can be shipped right to your door. I always think it's good to diversify what you have for self-defense. And so this is one option to consider. And you can get it at Burna.com slash Dana because it's the only place where you can get 10% off. B-Y-R-N-A Burna.com slash Dana for 10% off of your Burna gun.
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It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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All right, first up, the... For really? Really? 846 million people are infected with the herp. Like, the bad one. Like, the genital herp. Why? Stop being whores. 846 million people. How is this a thing? They said it's a hidden epidemic sweeping the world. And it has no cure and it's socially traumatizing. Any more socially traumatizing than sleeping around and getting the herp? I'm just trying to figure that out. Why is this a thing? It's 2024. It's not like we don't know where germs and this stuff comes from, right? We know. What are you doing? Stop it. The, uh... This is one of the craziest stories I think I've ever had in quick five. An 80 year old grandmother is dead after she got trapped in her sleep number bed for two days. My first thought was the hell number did she have it on? Like, what is this Illinois? She got trapped by her malfunctioning sleep number bed for two whole days. Rosalind Walker's mattress suddenly lowered itself without warning, and it pinned her against her wall. And then she wasn't freed until 48 hours later. They rushed her to a nearby hospital. She was treated for unspecified injuries, transferred to a rehabilitation clinic, and later hospice care. She only lived for like three weeks later. That's one of the craziest things I've ever heard. Your sleep number, bud. Man, that's kind of, I don't know. And now they're trying to say that there's a pet translator scientist that converts growls and barks into English, and it could be available in just 10 years. So that way you can understand the women on the VO. Stay with us. Our friends over at Patriot Mobile, the only Christian conservative cell phone service that exists, and they want to save you money. They have plans that can be tailor-made for any type of budget. And right now they have their Every Friday Matters special. So for a limited time, Patriot Mobile is giving away a brand new smartphone when you switch your service. Great opportunity to get high quality service and support a company that aligns with your values. And you get to access all three major networks. So you get to experience the same reliable coverage as all of the big providers. But your money is not going against the things that you vote for. at the ballot box. Seamless switching. 100% U.S.-based customer service team. And you can save. It's never been simpler to switch. And you can get that free smartphone as part of the special offer. Keep your number if you want. Keep whatever. But you can get a free smartphone only, only though, by using promo code FRIDAY. So it's their Every Friday Matters special. Take advantage of it because it's for a limited time or until supplies run out. Free smartphone offer eligible only with promo code FRIDAY. Terms and conditions apply. Make the switch today. Patriot mobile dot com slash Dana nine seven two Patriot.
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Why do you think Democrats lost and what do you think needs to happen by the midterms in the next presidential election in order to find your footing again?
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Well, Kristen, no disrespect to you. I think you do great work. But the reality is that those that tune in to our traditional news sources, they absolutely went for us. And we know that the standards that you have to live by as an actual journalist are completely different from other platforms. And so we know that we were winning for those that were tuning in to the traditional news sources. But when it came down to people getting their news from places that really aren't even news sources, they were going for Donald Trump by 19 points. And that is exactly why we lost. The reality is that we're going to have to play in spaces that we've never had to play and make sure that we're communicating in all ways. Unfortunately, we can't just rely on the mainstream media to get our message across.
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Well, I think she's a little late to the game because when have Democrats ever really totally relied on mainstream media to get their message across? I mean, who do you think controls Hollywood? Who controls Hollywood? Who controls academia? This idea that it's just the media that that is responsible for this or that that people are getting there. They can't rely on the mainstream media. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. She's an example of a person who just thinks that politics began the day that she was made self-aware, which is probably a couple of years ago. Let's be real. Right. It's one of the dumbest things ever. That's really stupid analysis that like ignores everything that media, all everything that the left has been involved in. Right. So it ignores the entire system and bureaucracy of academia. It ignores the music industry, Cain. It ignores Hollywood, arts and entertainment, film. art, all of it, fashion. So this idea that, well, you know, we lost because we got to play in spaces we never had to play in before. What are you talking about? You mean you actually have to go and talk to the people? Notice that wasn't one of the things on her lips. You got to go and talk to the people? That's just stupid. She is not the brightest bulb in their box. She really isn't. I was listening to this and I thought, my gosh, they're going to keep losing because they have no idea why. They have no idea why they lost. That's just, and she says that, I guess what, you know, these places that they're not even news sources and, and they're not even news sources. What defines a news source? If you get news from something, is that a source from which you got your news? Who defines news source? Because I know Democrats have been wanting to define have been wanting to define news sources as goodness. That which validates their narrative. They've been wanting to do that for a long time. So is that really true? This is it's just wanting to control media. It's wanting to control where the information comes from. That's all it is. It's wanting to control how people share information, what they share, how often they share it, etc. I just thought that was a really dumb soundbite. Wasn't she? Didn't we just have a soundbite from her the other day where she was going off on the Daniel Penny stuff? Yeah, that's right. Okay. Yeah. Not the brightest bulb. on the Christmas tree. That one. Definitely not. Now, going on from that, uh, As it pertains to media, etc. I wanted to touch on this because we missed it yesterday. Caitlin Clark, Audio Soundbite 22. She's doubled down. So Caitlin Clark came out and said that she felt like it was white privilege. That she ended up, she was saying that she somehow was the beneficiary of white privilege. And she doubled down on it in this soundbite. Listen.
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I think we have it. Okay. I always have had really good perspective on everything that's kind of happened in my life, whether that's been good, whether that's been bad. And then obviously coming to the WNBA, like I've said, I feel like I've earned every single thing that's happened to me over the course of my career. But also I grew up a fan of this league from a very young age. Like, My favorite player was Maya Moore. I know what this league was about. And like I said, it's only been around 25 plus years. So I know there's been so many amazing black women that have been in this league and continuing to uplift them I think is very important. And that's something I'm very aware of. And like I said, I try to just be real and authentic and share my truth. And I think that's very easy for me. I'm very comfortable in my own skin. And that's kind of been how it is my entire life. Yes.
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So she says that she admits feeling privileged as a white person and says that the WNBA was built on black players. No, it wasn't. The WNBA was the welfare recipient of the NBA. Nobody gave a rat's ass about women's basketball. Women don't even give a rat's ass about women's basketball. The WNBA was subsidized by the NBA. It is the welfare recipient of the NBA. NBA players and NBA viewers and NBA game attendees built the WNBA. Let's not pretend like these women who are in the WNBA built it. They can barely keep what was given to them. And then when they get someone who gets the eyeballs, they trash her and drag her down because they are a bunch of jealous bitches. That's the reality of it. And then they want to play victimhood and act as though everything's a racial hustle when it's not. She is one. What is her privilege exactly? And I know a lot of people are slamming her. And I just think that she is navigating something that no one has ever had to go through before. And that's part of what my point. How in the hell does she have white privilege when she is like one of she's a minority player in the WNBA? How in the hell does she have white privilege? They have been racist bitches to her since she got there. They have targeted her. They have smeared her. They have acted like she is less than. And to her credit, she's ignored it up until now. I mean, she's ignored it up until, you know, this point. So I don't know how she's considered privileged. She works hard and she has talent. But how is that a privilege? She works hard with her talent. I mean, this is... It's goofy. She gets athlete of the year, and then she has to apologize. I feel as though she's... Because she had said... She said, quote, I want to say that I've earned every single thing, but as a white person, there is a privilege. I disagree with this. And she says... She said a lot of those players in the league that have been really good have been black players. This league has kind of been built on them. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Again... Someone who is one of, she's a minority player in the WNBA on her team. And she has to admit to some kind of privilege. They can't just credit her talent. Like Time Magazine. They said Clark is cognizant of the racial underpinnings of her stardom. She says, I want to say the quote that I gave you, but the fact that she says that, oh, yes, the racial underpinnings, Time Magazine and writing about her, the racial underpinnings of her stardom, the racial underpinnings of the WNBA. Nobody watches it. She's I don't know. She just is like a beaten dog. But at the same time, she's never had to navigate. Nobody's ever had to navigate anything like this in the WNBA or anything like this. A female. Nobody's. This is kind of new. It's very new. But she's allowing herself to be bullied at this point. And there are players of a different race that did not generate the eyeballs that she generated. They did not generate the interest for the league that she generated. And they feel like they and they're they're trying to other her. They're trying to say that the only reason that she's talented is because of some sort of privilege. Being white doesn't make her play better. Practicing hard and working hard does. And she has a natural born talent that is entirely unrelated to her skin color. She just happens to be a white girl. But no one can credit her talent. Because no one wants to admit that she just might be a better player than Angel Reese. Or she just might be a better player than some of the other women on the teams in WNBA. They can't say that. So they have to discredit her talent by saying, oh, well, white privilege. The hell does white privilege have to do with being naturally talented at basketball? I suck at basketball. Love basketball. Love watching it. Love watching it. And I always wanted to play it. But I'm not very good, Cain. Where's my white privilege? I was told that I would have privilege. Look, as badly as I wanted to be on my school's basketball team and I never made it, I was varsity everything I did but basketball for some reason. I have no idea why. It doesn't make sense. I did 18 years of classical ballet and then I was varsity everything I did from freshman on. Basketball could not do it. No idea why. Where's my white privilege for that? Right? I wanted it. Isn't that how it works if you're white and you want it? Don't you automatically get it? Cain, how does white privilege work? Isn't that how it works? You're white adjacent, though, 50%, so I don't know.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I get a 50% card. 50% privilege.
SPEAKER 17 :
But the other 50% of you, what privileges have you gotten?
SPEAKER 07 :
Gosh, I don't know.
SPEAKER 17 :
You haven't gotten any privileges?
SPEAKER 07 :
Not that I know of.
SPEAKER 17 :
But wait a minute, I'm told that if you're white, you get all these special things.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I don't. They only see the non-white half of me, apparently.
SPEAKER 17 :
You played football, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Were you a better football player because you were white? Half white?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I don't think so.
SPEAKER 17 :
It didn't give you any kind of special superpower?
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, I always thought that you played worse. Remember the Woody Harrelson movie, White Men Can't Jump? That was huge when I was a kid. And I remember looking at that title thinking, I wonder if they can't. Hollywood. Just saying. It's true. Do you feel bad for her? Caitlin Clark?
SPEAKER 07 :
Do I feel bad for what she's had to go through and all of that?
SPEAKER 17 :
Do you feel like she's been browbeaten into this?
SPEAKER 07 :
I think so. I think so. She literally just wants to play basketball. She just wants to get along with everybody. She just wants to have fun. And everyone else is thrusting her in these directions and making her do these things. It just doesn't seem, just like anybody who doesn't do anything that comes naturally to them, it doesn't look right and it doesn't feel right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Lorraine says that she feels like she's saying this to make the other girls on the team feel better. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Probably, because she wants to get along with them.
SPEAKER 17 :
How lame are the chicks in this league? If you have to have this woman lie prostrate in front of the media to make you feel better, I'm going to say something mean. I've already said it once, but these women are... They are... I read lips.
SPEAKER 07 :
I didn't know I was a lip reader until just now.
SPEAKER 17 :
Is that white privilege? Uh... You would have been able to hear the voice in your head had you been full. I'm just saying that's how it works, right? Lorraine says that she's always lifted up her teammates, always been very humble. She always seems like she's tried to ignore this. But that's sort of notice. And this is how it is. And it doesn't matter if it's Caitlin Clark or whoever. This is why I'm like never been in need of the rage mob because they don't care. She's never going to be forgiven. She is their original sin of being born white. I mean, that's how all of her critics and all these people around WNBA are acting like. Maybe if you bitches could play basketball a little bit better, then maybe she wouldn't be getting all the attention. Maybe if y'all were half as talented as she was, then maybe, oh, I don't know, maybe you would get more advertising dollars. Maybe you would get more sponsorships yourself. Instead of hating on her, all you women need to be thanking her for keeping eyes on the WNBA, which has been nothing more than a glorified welfare recipient of the NBA. And you all know it's true, bitches. You know it's true. I'm so tired of this stuff. There are a bunch of bullies. Grown middle-aged women being bullies. Women who are in their 30s being bullies. At some point, you need to grow up. You do. People are going to be like, Dana, I don't like your language. I am not Dora the Explorer, okay? You're not sitting in church and this ain't PBS. I do feel bad for her because she's never had to navigate this. And I think that people who are trying to jump all over her need to slow their roll a little bit. I mean, I think the people who need most of the ire are the coaches and the league and her teammates. Those are the people that you need to be sharp with. Because I think she's just trying to navigate and deal with it. And she didn't come out and I think she, I mean, she seemed very hesitant when she was saying the stuff that she said. But if she thinks, though, that this kind of thing is going to make it to where they accept her and they celebrate her and they stop giving her grief, no. In fact, it's going to double. Because if they see you bleed, then they're going to come for more. That's how it works. Life can take a toll on our bodies. There's no way around it. And whether it's just sitting for hours on end at your computer or if you're working a physical job, over time, your body pays the price. There is, however, an effective way to turn back the clock on pain. Relief Factor. Developed by doctors, Relief Factor helps support your body's response to inflammation. And the difference, instead of just masking pain, Relief Factor helps eliminate it for good. And it's 100% drug-free. My husband, Chris, has taken Relief Factor with incredible results. So if the pains that come with living a full life are affecting you, do as many others have done and turn back the clock on pain with Relief Factor. Their three-week quick start is just $19.95. That's less than a dollar a day. And when you feel good, it's amazing how much more you get out of life. Visit relieffactor.com or call 1-800-4-RELIEF. That's 1-800-4-RELIEF. Try it for only $19.95 and turn back the clock on pain with Relief Factor. ReliefFactor.com.
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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
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So I hope that you all feel that sense of, you know, peace and light and that just for a moment when you leave here today that you feel, I don't know, a little, a sense of joy. Because I think we all need like this, you know, we all need to feel joy now during this time of the season, during, just during this time. So anyway. Okay, now I'll start.
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You're all reading into that. So they were saying, oh, you sound like Holla. And she's like, you all are reading into it. She sounded exasperated there. I was on with Jesse Waters this week, earlier this week, and he asked me, it was kind of an aside, but he had brought up how Joe isn't like really looking at Kamala when they go and they do these events, like he's not looking at her and they're not, they don't have any kind of interaction, anything like that. And he had said, how did he ask me something to the effect of, well, is it overblown? Because, you know, Joe is old. And I said, well, no. Because look at Jill. So their dynamic is, especially right now, and it used to not always be like this, when they were first married and even... I mean, 10 years ago, he was really aggressive in Jack Wagon. And now she's the aggressive one because he's declining. And so she sets the tone. So you can watch them. Their dynamic is she sets the tone. And if you want to know where they stand on someone, watch how she acts. She's the wife. And if the wife doesn't like someone... If they don't like anybody, you're going to know. You're going to know. And she makes it known. How many different videos have there been? I've seen at least five. Two of them were at the same event. But where she, Kamala Harris was like looking at her and smiling and Jill Biden just does not even acknowledge her. After he's out of office, after Trump is in office, I think you're going to hear about some stuff. And I think it's going to get real petty. I really do. Stick with us. We have a whole other hour on the way next. ReadyWise is always ready with premium survival food. And you know the chain of command for your food. Start to finish. You know that it is U.S. ingredients packed in a state-of-the-art U.S. plant sent out from that state-of-the-art U.S. plant to your front porch. And you get free and fast shipping on most orders, ensuring that your provisions reach you promptly. They have an array of product choices to meet every budget. They have their one month supply to bucket bundle. They have their three month emergency food supply as well. Everything is designed by their team of in-house culinary experts to make sure that you get your calories, the needs that you have for calories met. Your protein, your carbs, your healthy carbs, all that good stuff. Comfort in a crisis and beyond. Super affordable, premium survival food, 25-year shelf life. Visit ReadyWise.com and use promo code DANA20 at checkout for 20% off of your entire purchase. That's ReadyWise.com, promo code DANA20 for 20% off. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We are at the top of the second hour here. And it's Thursday. We're almost done through the week. It's the week before the week before Christmas. You guys are like, wait, what? Yeah, I know. It's going by fast, isn't it? Like, how are we already? How is it already December 12th? This is just like way too fast. Way too fast. All right. So a number of stuff, number of things we've been covering. By the way, you can also look and follow us if you're not listening to us, really. Channel 347, DirecTV, and we're also over at Rumble.com. where the chat happens, and X, and less so, all that good stuff. So the president rang the bell this morning, Wall Street. He's named Time's Man of the Year, Time Magazine's Man of the Year. He's invited to ring the bell at New York Stock Exchange. He's only the second president to ever do so. Yeah, Reagan was the other one. Notice how they're all Republicans that get to... interesting that, isn't it? Only the Republicans, probably because they understand the economy. He's the first since Reagan to ring the opening bell. And the crowd was yelling at his family with him. He was flanked by the covers. It's a nice cover. The perspective is a little interesting. But It's a nice cover. I mean, it's like at a downward kind of angle and I'm curious as to how he was sitting or what he was sitting on. But they... What do you think the cover says? Is the cover backing a compliment, do you think? Because it's... When you consider the first one that they put him on where it was just like an emoji of his head and it looked like it was melting, that wasn't very flattering. This is a lot more sober. This is like the magazine cover that... seems like final acceptance of the inevitable, right? That's what I get out of it. It's not bad. I don't think that they make him look old. They have a cold filter on him because they took some of the hue out of his face and his hair. His hair is way brighter than that. But it seems like a... Their cover seems like a... Like they're accepting the inevitable, the inevitableness of all of this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Like they can't deny the last year.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. So they're like, OK, here it is. What's funny, when Joe Biden was elected, he said that they were going to return to normality. There's the cover I want showing you right there. It's not a bad cover. It's a weird perspective, though, isn't it?
SPEAKER 07 :
I was going to say that.
SPEAKER 17 :
But what what is that? I'm just I don't want to unpack it too much, but. I do think it's interesting. It's almost like you're peering up at him, right? That's the perspective of the photographer. You're peering up at him from a lower position, but he's not like lording it over you. It's very odd. I almost don't know what to make of it. Do you I don't think it's Steve, what do you think? Do you think it's like a backhanded compliment? I'm gonna get one more opinion on this. It's weird. I don't know how to I don't know how to read it.
SPEAKER 20 :
I mean, if you're reflecting from the same publication that had that cover years ago of that, like really dystopian melting face, like that's obviously a twist. But I think they kind of had to admit that that's the case. I mean, there was a lot of people up for it that they could have picked on the right or the left. Excuse me. And they didn't.
SPEAKER 17 :
True. Yeah, they could have. I mean, who are they going to – can you imagine if they tried picking Kamala? That would have been a joke. But I also think that they realize that he sells magazine covers, I think. And so putting him on that – I don't think that it is a smear. And the reason I'm bringing this up is a couple of you emailed me this morning asking if I thought that it was an insulting – if I thought it was an insulting cover. And I don't think that it is an insulting cover. I just think that it's, I don't know. It's very weird, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
I think it's just the inevitable. They realize what happened in the past year. They can't ignore it. There is no ignoring it. You can't rewrite what happened this past year. We were talking about that perspective of the photographer. You are kind of, as Time Magazine or even as the public, you kind of look up to a guy that has gone through what Trump has gone through over these past eight years.
SPEAKER 17 :
and I think it's I don't think it I don't look at it as a backhanded compliment or you know what I mean anything the only reason I think that it's and I don't mean to like I'm sorry if I'm boring you guys because I'm obsessing over it but what the reason I bring it up is because it's so desaturated so is that is the desaturation because and I'm not saying this is to be mean he's oranger than this guy come on the dude has like super Scottish red hair It's like... Except it's not really blonde. It's definitely got red tint in it. And he's one of those people that when their hair... He doesn't really gray. It turns blonde. I had a grandmother who was as Irish as the day is long. That's where it comes from. And she had hair like Ronald McDonald. And she didn't go gray. It went blonde. It was real weird. He's got like the same thing. So... It's just super desaturated. He doesn't look defeated. He looks reflective. And I don't know. There's a lot to get into with this cover. And why I'm focusing on it so much is I'm trying to read the tea leaves as to what his presidential term, the start of it's going to be like. And every politics has been upended since 20. I would say since 2014, really. It really started getting upended in 2014, 2015. And then when he won and no one expected him to win. And then in 2020, when it was so close, no one knows what to expect. Every term has the only the only thing that's been predictable has been Biden. And even then, how bad he was was not as predictable. We all knew he was going to be bad, but we didn't know he was going to be as bad as, you know, I mean, my gosh, the joblessness, the inflation, the instability, the lack of, you know, I mean, any kind of focus on any kind of domestic issue, particularly manufacturing, all of that stuff. But This is I almost it almost seems like it's a relief because the left, I think, is relieved because they don't have to be yoked with Biden anymore. They don't have to make excuses for him. They don't have to apologize for him. They don't have to send surrogates out to clean up his messes. So I almost feel like they act like they have a reprieve. And in some respects, they're sort of grateful for it. Because they don't have anything else that they can use to stop the bleeding, so to speak, any other candidate of Biden. They don't have anyone ready to step up. They don't have anyone who can actually do the job. That's why they ran Kamala. And I honestly do think that they felt like they were going to lose. But they... They ran Kamala Harris because they had to run someone and they had no one else to run. And she's shallow and vapid enough to think that that was a compliment to her and that they actually believed in her ability to run when they didn't. They were just they needed a sacrifice. They knew that they were going to be feeding someone into the meat grinder. And that person had no hope of a political career after. And so they gladly sacrificed her. The irony of ironies, Democrats, you had people like James Clyburn who were demanding that they run a black woman when Democrats in reality knew that this was going to be the sacrificial candidate that had no hope and that it was going to be such a destructive presidential cycle that whoever it was, they were never going to have any hope of a political career after. And so they just ran her. How unbelievably fitting that they actually fed their own DEI policies to the meat grinder in this fashion. I've never seen such a cell phone in my ever-loving life. It is truly stunning how unbelievably ironic this all is. Really, it's truly stunning. So they were demanding, oh, we need, we want our black female candidate. And then turn around and they're like, okay. We'll let you have her. And they destroyed her. You're not even going to see her at the inauguration, I doubt. Which brings me back to this cover. To me, it spells relief. When you look at it, do you feel like they're exhaling? That's what I get out of it. It feels like they're exhaling. So what does this mean with the media covering him going into January? It's tricky. Think of how many newspapers endorsed him over Kamala or didn't make an endorsement. Like WAPO, right? They didn't make an endorsement. And they weren't the only ones to not make an endorsement. So think of this. The media coverage when he assumes office, I think they're actually going to be... I'm not saying this because I'm hopeful. I'm not. I have no hope. I am diogenous. I feel like they realize the economy is a mess, the border is a mess, and they're going to be supportive on those issues. And they realize they can't really do anything to him because he only has four years and he's termed out. I think that their ire, they're already retiring him with this magazine cover. Their ire is going to be turned towards everybody else. The bench. And this is one of the things that the media has been really bad at. So they don't know how to deconstruct the coalition that Republicans have built and they have not really hardcore attacked the Republican bench yet. I think this magazine covers them kind of like retiring him and they're reconciled to the idea that he's the president and they kind of feel relief because of Biden. But also they're going to go after everybody underneath him twice as hard because as soon as they stop being sad over losing, They're going to be vengeful. And that's when I think you're going to see it. Thoughts, Cain? I think that's how it's going to go. I think that it's going to be knives out like you've never seen. For Republican governors, leading Republican senators, leading Republicans in Congress, I think you're going to see a double coverage on them. That's my opinion.
SPEAKER 07 :
Just like when you put salt on a slug. And it writhes and seethes and screams like that's exactly what we're going to be seeing because it's not going to be easy to drain the swamp.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I think so. And then when he starts going after Deep State, interesting. So I just, that cover, I was staring at that cover and I'm like, this is such an interesting cover because it's such a departure from the stuff that they usually do, right? It's such a departure. So interesting stuff. And their article, if you've read it, it's not, it's like they're trying not to be flattering But it was it's there. It's just a fascinating thing. I think that they're actually they don't want to admit that they like him. That's what I'm walking away with. They are happy to have somebody who understands business and they want to like him. But they know that they're on the left's team, so they can't like him. The whole article read like they kept having to walk it back. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. But that was my take. And it just fascinated me. I just thought, this is so interesting. I'm going to have to talk about this with the radio folks tomorrow. All right. So coming up, we have all of the latest. That Luigi Mangione. So he's, I feel like he's like the next Joker. He's like the Joker. That's like the treatment he's getting, isn't it? Like apparently his inmates were yelling about his terrible conditions from jail. We're gonna get into that. We're also gonna get into those pardons, by the way, that Joe Biden has been issuing. Well, Lorraine caught the story from Financial Times that apparently some of them were Chinese nationals, including a pedophile. And it was a prisoner swap kind of thing. If you're looking for a convenient, affordable way to access medications and treatments you can trust, All Family Pharmacy has you covered. Whether it's the flu or parasites, cancer support, or general well-being, All Family Pharmacy's online service makes getting the medications you need hassle-free. With All Family, it's simple. You can choose the individual medications that best suit your needs or opt for one of their comprehensive treatment packages. designed to give you everything that you need in one convenient order. And every order comes with a doctor's prescription included. Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, or any other effective medications, they have it all. And you can get fast shipping with most order shipping in two to three business days. Medications start as low as $3 per capsule, making it really easy to take charge of your health without breaking the bank. No insurance needed. You can skip the paperwork and get the treatments you need directly. Stock up with their emergency preparedness bundles and access over 200 medications online anytime. Visit allfamilypharma.com slash Dana and use code Dana10 for 10% off of your entire order. That's allfamilypharma.com slash Dana, code Dana10.
SPEAKER 07 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 17 :
So puberty blockers are set to be banned indefinitely for under 18s across the UK. The health secretary says the emergency measures banning the sale and supply are going to be made indefinite. And that's that's good. That's very good news because we can't we can't be abusing this stuff and then chemically castrating people. it's just this is just insanity so this is a huge news this um let's see out of control welfare has stunted economic growth that's an actual headline from a newspaper who would have thought like i'm so shocked what yeah Welfare and regulation. They're saying that economic orthodoxies are tumbling. People are realizing that those policies don't work. But are they actually going to implement them? I mean, that's like the big thing. You guys are going to put them into put them into practice. Coffee prices are surging to the highest on record. This is the Arabian beans. They said that the I've accounted for what most of the global production. And their prices have jumped 80% this year. And that they're not the only place. They're saying that coffee brands are considering putting prices up in the new year also. Everything's been super expensive. But coffee roasters have been able to absorb a lot of those prices. Places like Black Rifle Coffee and that. And they said that... Some companies like Nestle, they've taken the hit from higher raw material prices to themselves. But they said all of that's kind of at a tipping point right now because the expense is still, I mean, it's still super expensive. And a lot of it's due to drought and then heavy rain. I know both of those things are factoring into the expense on all of it. Floyd Mayweather was attacked by a mob in a row over Israel and Gaza while he was jewelry shopping in London. Why would you pick a fight with Floyd Mayweather? You stupid idiot. So... Apparently, he got into an altercation at Hatton Garden and he was out shopping for jewelry. And I mean, it was doing some window shopping and a ton of people are in the street. A mob descended on him and he was apparent. I mean, he looked angry. He knows security. We're in the Capitol. They said that he was confronted. They bundled him out of a jewelry store into a waiting four by four. And they said that he wasn't touched during at any point. But the crowd was using racial slurs towards him. These are like pro-Gazan people using racial slurs towards him. And he said he was fine. There's nothing more to it. He was there for 48 hours and he did some quick shopping. And that was it. It's so crazy. So coming up, we've got some cultural stuff to talk about, including conservatism. Our partners that will bring you the program. It's our friends over at Black Rifle Coffee, the only coffee worth drinking because everything else is commie swill. Black Rifle Coffee has a new roast, their Freedom Roast. It's what the founders would have drank, would have drunk, would have drank. 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So the Freedom Roast Black Rifle Coffee, taste the other top shelf roasts as well. Whatever you decide, though, you get 20% off with Code Dana. 20% off using Code Dana at BlackRifleCoffee.com. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash here with you at the bottom of the second hour. And, of course, you can watch us coast to coast. You can listen terrestrially. You can check us out, Channel 347, DirecTV. Also on X, Rumble, where the chat happens. YouTube. So we're everywhere. We're all over the place. Every state. So one of the things we were talking about was this first hour? No. First segment of this hour, right? Yeah. Yeah. was this Time Magazine cover of POTUS Elect and how it seemed to be, to me, this reluctant... sort of acceptance of the inevitable that because it was a oddly somewhat respectable cover that they gave to a Republican and I'm thinking oh my gosh don't get excited though everybody wants it don't get excited about that because it's the trash media I mean they're a bunch of jack wagons it's the trash media and I was thinking about this in context of right media left media how we got to this point and I read this really good piece the other day from a friend of mine, Mark Judge. We're going to have him on in a minute. But it's called The Coming Conservative Media Collapse. And I was I thought, oh, that's a very intentionally provocative title. Let's dive into this. And he's right. He gets into the conservative media structure, which definitely now has a formula and how they've got to find something else to kind of to focus on. They need to get back to art and culture and all of these other issues because people are tired of politics. I mean, even all of you out there in radio land, one of the things that we know when we go and survey all of our hundreds of affiliates across the country, people get tired of it. They get tired of politics. So you've got to shift. But that is not what that's not the incentive on which conservative media is built on. Not right now. Not anymore. So what are we going to do? My friend Mark Judge joins me and he is an author and also became infamous, famous or infamous during the Brett Kavanaugh. confirmation hearing. I almost said trial because it was like a trial where they were trying to assassinate him in the court of public opinion. And they dragged all of Brett Kavanaugh's friends in it. Every friend that the man ever had, they dragged through the mud, including Mark Judge, who joins me now on Skype. Mark, it's so good to be with you. There's a couple of things that I want to talk with you about. But starting with this, So you are, I think, spot on with your observance of the the new conservative media structure. And I would even go so far as to say there's even less investigative work because we're so used to playing defensively that I think we forgot how to do almost anything else. I kind of wanted to get your thoughts on this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, absolutely. And if you remember when we were younger in like the 1980s, Dana, there was a whole infrastructure in a community that used to support and bolster and hold up up and coming artists in bands, in the fine arts and movies, you know, Martin Scorsese. There were little rock clubs like the 930 Club in D.C. where I lived, where you go to see bands like R.E.M. who are up and coming. And the point is there were support for these artists. And even though they were on a smaller scale back then – and I don't think conservatism has made similar investments. And post-election, we find ourselves with people sick of politics and saying, hey, I think I'm going to go see a movie. Who are the cool new bands now? I think I'll go to a jazz club. And that ecosystem is still largely controlled by the left. Um, and I can give specific examples pro of projects that if funded for a small amount would really get a lot of bang, but we just haven't worked that muscle. And I should add, you know, I'm not really blaming too much because conservatives were defending against communism and socialism and wokeness. So that was a full-time job, but we really need to start putting our money in culture more because I think as Andrew Breitbart knew that has a much longer term effect.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, I completely agree. And that's one of the things that the right has always been kind of bad at. They do tons of white papers and think tanks and all this other stuff. Nobody cares about that. Nobody cares about those things anymore. It shifts. I wanted to share this graph that you this paragraph that you wrote in your piece. It's of a Chronicles magazine. You wrote yet what to do when the dog catches the car because you're talking about. all of the conservative outlets that have covered all of this stuff. And and this was good effort and it was for a good mission. You write yet what to do when the dog catches the car. The second era of Trump has ushered in new times, as actress and fellow Gen Xer Justine Bateman has noted. It's like a fog has lifted. Artists feel a sense of freedom that's escaped them for years. You noted a few years ago, the music critic for Washington Post, Chris Richards, announced that white bands should not cover songs by black artists. That sentiment now seems preposterous. It's like some of the rebel spirit of the 80s is back, something I think Bateman was sensing too. People are turning away from the screaming matches and back to culture. Even someone as conservative and interested in politics as I am can't watch any more shouting pundits on TV. It's over. So what's next?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I'll give you a very specific example. After the Kavanaugh nightmare, I wrote a book called The Devil's Triangle. You graciously gave me a blurb. I was radioactive at that time, and you said you'd give me a blurb, so I appreciate you so much for that. And as egocentric as it might sound, let me just quickly say, this is... a tremendous book about this nightmare I lived. It's a great book. Yeah, and right after all this happened, I got contacted by a Hollywood actor, a well-known actor, I will not say his name, and he said, well, how many offers has there been to turn this into a film? And I said, none. And he literally went... And he said, you know, here we have a psychological thriller. This is not a black and white conservative come to Jesus story. It's a story about a flawed protagonist who comes up against the American Stassi and there is evil. And he said, this is all the president's men are the parallax view with the little caddyshack thrown in. And he said, had you lied about your friend and thrown him under the bus, there wouldn't be one movie made about you. There'd be three.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
And so for the past six months, we've produced a treatment. We have a treatment of a film based on this book. And again, I don't mean to sound like it's about me because it's not. It's about the other people involved. And we have people in Hollywood reading this thing saying, OK, the election's over. This could be a great film, not a satirical film, not a very broad Christian film, although I'm a Christian. I love those kind of films. This could be a taxi driver or a film like that. And the actor said to me, $10 million, two nights on Netflix. He's been in movies with Johnny Depp. He knows what he's talking about. So we're sitting here thinking, okay, the election's over. This treatment is floating around Hollywood. The budget is loose change for Netflix, and it's a great story. Why won't someone make this movie? And I think I'm one of many, many people with similar stories.
SPEAKER 17 :
Do you think it's because Hollywood is terrified? They don't know. I think maybe for two reasons. They're worried about the backlash from the far left. That's sort of their base. But also they are so unfamiliar with not just so much conservatism, but that individualist ethos that they don't even know how to approach the material.
SPEAKER 03 :
They don't, and I'll quickly tell you, they're terrified of the material because since my book came out, I've written several articles about this in Chronicles and the Washington Examiner and elsewhere. Dana, Marty Baron, former editor of the Washington Post, wrote a memoir talking about me. NPR interviewed Christine Blasey Ford on air and reviewed her book, and I'm on social media calling these cowards out and saying, why won't you give me equal time? While you're a journalist who edited the Washington Post for 20 years, you talk about me in your book, I point to the mistakes you made, and you're too much of a coward to respond to me. So my point being is that if they're afraid, then Hollywood's really going to be afraid because they don't want to open this thing and say, oh, Christine Bozzi Ford and these other people were extorting Mark Judge, using honey traps and witness tampering, and he reveals all this in his book, The Devil's Triangle. There ain't no way we can make a movie about that. There's no way. And even if I said be sympathetic to people. I don't want to villainize anybody other than the politicians and the media. The kids I went to school with in the 80s, I don't want them demonized. But they are too chicken-esque. to face me on social media, much less in Hollywood. They're cowards. That's what it is.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, completely. We're talking with our friend Mark Judge, author of Devil's Triangle, and also he was dragged through the mud and unwillingly made infamous during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. You, in this piece, and I'm going to switch to the Hegseth stuff here in a moment, but I think you just really hit the nail on the head in a very classy way, because you say that conservatives are still badly outgunned by the left. I get the sense, and I was talking with a friend of mine who is like an associate editor at one of these conservative websites. And they were saying, oh, no, we're, conservatives are really doing well, you know, with X, now Elon Musk at X. And, you know, we're really balancing it all out. And I'm like, in what way? Like maybe in the news, but where in the culture are you balancing it out? And you touch on that. You said that The donor class never had any desire to put resources to work so we could compete in that manner. And that you said that, you know, it's not just, you know, being snarky Twitter gorillas and all of this stuff and focusing on stuff that Alec Baldwin says, but to penetrate the entertainment industry with deeper and more in-depth coverage and to create our own stuff. Is there anyone out there beside yourself that you think... is really that needs attention or that you could point to and say like this or like this or like this. I feel like we have so few.
SPEAKER 03 :
A hundred percent. A friend of mine named Paul Rowland, he is a writer for a conservative website. This is a perfect example. He made a movie called Exemplum. It's a black and white film about a priest who breaks bad. It's like Breaking Bad with a priest. And I'm Catholic. It's an awesome movie. I came across this thing last year. It's a great movie. Dana, the budget was $10,000. Wow. How does a movie get made for $10,000? That's crazy. It's called Exemplum. You can watch it for free. And this is a perfect example. And I contacted this guy and I said, why aren't... And he writes for a conservative website. He's Catholic. I said, why aren't conservatives propping you up and throwing money at you, dude? You wrote, produced, directed, and acted in this great movie. And he said, Mark, I'm getting nothing. So... I wrote about him. I interviewed him several times. I reviewed his movie, and my review was out there on social media and everything. And to this day, he and I talk, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I keep saying, why aren't people throwing money at you, dude? You made this – it cost $10,000, and his rating is 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. This guy is a gifted young – conservative leaning filmmaker who made this great film about a priest and morality and Solzhenitsyn and all this cool stuff. And he can't get arrested. So go to example him and look him up. I don't have any stake in his movie, but he is the example I use.
SPEAKER 17 :
You also have a piece talking with our friend Mark Judge. over at Splice Today, Pete Hegseth will be confirmed. This is a really great piece. And you get into what changed what you think changed Joni Ernst's mind, because she I do disagree with some of the narrative out there that she was leading this campaign against him, but she definitely was not on not on board. She was very hesitant, I think, even to kind of like delve into it publicly. Tell me about this, because you have a theory.
SPEAKER 03 :
I have a theory. It's just a hunch. I'm a good journalist, so I don't want to speculate too much. But Joni Ernst changed on a dime. She abruptly began to support Pete Hegseth. And long story short, I think Pete Hegseth, like myself during Kavanaugh, was getting extorted. And he might have been getting honey trapped, and he might have been getting threatened. And I think Joni Ernst found that out. I think she had a meeting with him and the FBI. Because our situations are very similar. It's like I had people accusing me of drugging girls and gang rape, and I was getting served for crimes in states I've never been in. It was an absolute nightmare. And as I reveal in The Devil's Triangle, the whole thing was an extortionate plot. Now, Hegseth's... alleged incident happened in 2017, which is right around the Kavanaugh thing. And my speculation is a survivor of sexual abuse like Joni Ernst, who's a tough, independent, strong woman, doesn't change on a dime because Trump threatened her. She's far too strong for that. That's like telling you what to do, Dana. It just does not work. And so I'm thinking, well, what if she had a private meeting with Hegseth? Hegseth, who is saying, I look forward to the FBI investigation. I'm looking forward to that. What if she found out that he was being extorted? That would explain quite a lot, right? Because a sexual assault survivor doesn't just go, oh, they're calling me names. I'm going to support him now. B.S. I'm convinced she heard something. I'm convinced somebody said to her, hey, look, this was a scam. 2017, Mark Judge was getting honey trapped and getting extortionate calls. Is it possible they were doing it to him also? Yes, I think it is.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think I think he will ultimately, depending on if this process goes through, because there's been so much palace intrigue. I think most of these individuals are going to be confirmed in the Senate. We've got to have you back to talk more about it. We're running out of time right now, but our friend Mark Judge, and you can follow him on X at Mark G. Judge as well. Get his book, Devil's Triangle, and you can go and read his pieces as well. It's all linked up on, we'll have it linked as well. Mark, it's so good to see you. We've got to have you back again.
SPEAKER 03 :
Danny, you gave me the blurb when I was radioactive, man. I love you. I will never forget that.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know what? I think the country owes you a lot of gratitude because you held strong and showed what it was like to be resolute in the fire. So you really gave a good example to a lot of people for them to follow. So I appreciate you.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's an American Stassi and they can get bent for all I care.
SPEAKER 17 :
Gosh, it's the most Gen X thing so far that's been said today. God love you. Merry Christmas to you, my friend.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you. Good to see you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Merry Christmas. Thanks, Dana. It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
SPEAKER 17 :
So a Florida man is threatened to light a homeowner's car on fire with a Molotov cocktail, said police in Cape Coral. A man was arrested over the weekend. Police said that he pulled out again with the swords. He pulled out a sword. Okay, stop, stop, stop. Full stop. Is that a thing in Florida? Every month I have two to three stories. They're brand new, different from each other, different parts of Florida where someone has a sword or a machete. Floridians, what is up? Do you all just like have swords? Is that a thing? What in the world? So this guy had a sword and a Molotov cocktail, and he wanted to make a point during an argument with a Cape Coral resident. Cape Coral police said that they got reports of a disturbance at the victim's home. They met with the homeowner, a 36-year-old man. He showed up in a driveway holding a glass bottle with a cloth wrapped around the top. He threatened to throw it, which he claimed was a Molotov cocktail at one of the vehicles in the driveway and lighted on fire. He also had a sword, and he used the sword to tap on the windshield of a vehicle during the exchange. It was all captured on video by ring doorbell camera. And the police located the guy. They asked him. He said, no, I just I went to go ask about the disrespect to a family member. And then he was arrested, taken to Lee County Jail, charged with violating the law that they have about manufacturing firebombs. OK, there you go. But the sword, though, and they was it actually Molotov cocktail? They never really said they never really confirmed that it was. But, you know, let's see this. This Florida man... Yeah, let's go ahead and do this. So... Apparently, I don't think this guy was supposed to be gator hunting. And he was. And it was a company that showed this guy and his friends, they went down to hunt some gators. But the guy's wife apparently did not know. And there's videos, but you can't, there's a lot of cussing in them. But the guy apparently was, his wife didn't know that they were all having a little boys trip and they were all drinking and hunting gators. And then a gator bit his hand. So he's probably going to have to come up with a story as to how to tell his wife. It was done by Salty Adventures. And this Isaiah Trujillo and his friends, they were hunting gators. And then he got his hand bit. And apparently he told his wife he was worried more about his wife finding out. And he had said in the video, don't wake Katie up, whatever you guys do. He didn't bite that hard. It's like trying to hide it because he didn't want his wife to know he was out drinking and gator hunting. She probably would want to come. Stay with us. Third hour next.
SPEAKER 19 :
We have not been able to, and neither have state or local law enforcement authorities, corroborate any of the reported visual sightings. To the contrary, upon review of available imagery, it appears that many of the reported sightings are actually manned aircraft that are being operated lawfully. The United States Coast Guard is providing support to the state of New Jersey and has confirmed that there is no evidence of any foreign-based involvement from coastal vessels. And importantly, there are no reported or confirmed drone sightings in any restricted airspace.
SPEAKER 17 :
So you're telling me there are drones? That's what I heard. All I heard is that there are drones out there and they're going to come get us. That's all I heard from the Iranian mothership. They're going to. That's all I heard from John Kirby. You heard him say it, right? That's what I heard. Because, see, whatever they tell you, it's the opposite. It's the opposite of that. Whatever they're telling you. No, no, no. This is the Inflation Reduction Act. You're going to pay out your butt. This is the Inflation Reduction Act. That's what it does. It's going to actually increase inflation. You're all going to be homeless and eating cat food in the desert. That's what that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got to listen between the lines. So when he's going, there's no evidence of foreign-based involvement. It's totally the Iranians. It's no evidence at all whatsoever. There's tons of evidence. There's none. It's not drones. It's just lawfully manned aircraft armed drones. That's that's what I'm hearing whenever he talks. Right. I feel like he goes. He said that they are unable to corroborate any of the reports. Why are they mysterious drone sightings? They're not mysterious in that we see them. They're there. There they are. What are you doing about it, right? But can I also just put the balls of the guy who came out and was off. So let me tell you what, everybody. It's drones, and it's from Iran. They got a mothership off the coast of Jersey. They're coming for you, right? The giant beans of that guy just coming right out and saying it to Harris Faulkner on like the late morning Fox show.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let me ask you this. Who do you believe more? John Kirby, who we just heard?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, I'm not going to believe him.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or the guy that was talking to Harris Faulkner yesterday.
SPEAKER 17 :
Van Drew. Yeah, him. I believe that dude. Yeah, I think so, too. By the way, welcome back. Top of the third hour. Dana Lash with you. When John Kirby talks, I don't believe him. At all. I don't even know if I believe his breathing. That's how little I trust. How little I trust. I mean, he might be an alien in a John Kirby suit. I don't know. I feel like he is wearing the tie that he wore today. What is that tie? It's like weird, a weird fat tie that's green and then like gray and blue. It's just weird. Don't do it again. Don't do that. So I immediately and there was apparently they didn't have any follow up questions after he said that there were no follow up questions. Mm hmm. Yeah. I was more interested in the sign language lady than I was him because I always look like they're dancing. She was really excited. That one. So I don't know. I just, you know, I just I just don't don't believe him. How about that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Also, because we know that there are FAA regulations, right? So if these are lawfully manned aircraft, they would have flight numbers, right? Or they'd have some FAA tags or some sort of- Yeah, you've got to register your drone and some stuff. They have to squawk when they're in the air. So he's either lying or they don't honestly know. Or he's lying. Or they don't have a clue.
SPEAKER 17 :
He's either lying or- He's lying.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's one of the two.
SPEAKER 17 :
It's one of the two. Right. So you've got some options. You know, lying or lying. It's one of the two. Yeah, the moment, I still, that was, I will never forget that guy going, well, let me tell you what. I'm just going to come out with it. It's drones. It's Iran. I thought my jaw hit the floor. What is this guy doing? And you had to know that they were watching and going, oh, so mad about it. Right. But for real, though, I mean, it could be.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think, you know, it's the same administration that allowed Chinese spy balloons not once, but two different times. Yeah. So I don't I have no faith in what's currently happening as far as who's guarding our airspace.
SPEAKER 17 :
Can I also add that the idea of, and remember, Iran has this business arrangement now. They bought all this drone stuff from China. But if you were going to lie about something, This is a very in-depth thing to lie about. And the way in which he did it, you're an elected member of Congress. You're not just going to make up. Let's see. What can I tell him? Well, hell, it was an Iranian mothership. Yeah, that was it. And there's all these drones coming out of it. You're just not going to make that up. That's not something you're just going to make up. That is so oddly specific and so wild. And he was on television in the middle of the day just saying it. So I, it's so crazy. I believe him. It's that crazy. That's where we are now, right? Satire is people being real. And that guy, he sounds crazy, but that's the truth. That's it. And then John Kirby's lying. So I just, you know, I'm just telling you, that's how I view this. Of all the things to say, and he's like, well, I'll be real with you. It's an Iranian mothership. They got it off the coast of Jersey. That's where it is. Good heavens. Just saying. That's kind of wild. Park a destroyer out there. So I don't know why we would deny it. I mean, if it's so well known that that guy knew about it and then informed the rest of the country, you realize America just looks dumb. If the Biden administration, if they're like, no, no, there's nothing to see here. Ignore those things in the sky. If I was Iran, I would just send more out just to make them look like, well, look, yeah, you thought these were here's a ton of them. I mean, we do got to shoot them down. They need to call the good old boy network. That should be the first move. I mean, I would be putting, so I don't know if you guys know this, but maybe we can get this implemented during the Trump administration. So if this is happening during the Trump administration, you know, maybe he can go out, you know, they would signal for Batman. And what are they, what's the light that they put in the sky can? It's a bat, right? Although I got to tell you, I always thought it looked like clown teeth. I have to work really hard to see the bat because all I do is see clown teeth first. Is that weird? It doesn't look like a bat to me immediately. It's clown teeth. And then I have to go, oh, bat.
SPEAKER 07 :
Maybe some clown trauma we'll have to look into later.
SPEAKER 17 :
I don't know. That's just, you know. But you could do like a silhouette of a mullet. And you could blast it into the sky. And that's the GOB alert, the good old boy alert. And so what happens is when you blast that silhouetted mullet into the sky, then all the GOBs know, oh, it's time to go for America. Let's go get her done. And then they all descend and they know where to go. And then they're just, you know, skeet, skeet, skeet, getting all that stuff out of the sky. I'm just saying.
SPEAKER 07 :
That is actually brilliant.
SPEAKER 17 :
That is actually brilliant.
SPEAKER 07 :
We need to get Patch Ops.
SPEAKER 17 :
Damn, why am I not? Like, I mean, I should be like making policy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. I think Patch Ops would have a decent.
SPEAKER 17 :
Good me. Good me.
SPEAKER 07 :
Emblem or patch that would look good in the light.
SPEAKER 17 :
The G.O. Boynet. Yeah, like a silhouetted mullet. The G.O.B.
SPEAKER 07 :
Good old boy network. The B has like a mullet.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
The G.O.B.
SPEAKER 17 :
Ooh, the B is the mullet. Nice, Kane. Thinking of that branding.
SPEAKER 07 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 17 :
And then that's when you know it's, you know, you got to go out there and get all them drones out. You could take care of it like that. You wouldn't even have to compensate these fellers for their ammo. They would gladly do it. They would gladly do it. I mean, you tell people, y'all want to go shoot some Iranian drones out of the sky? Well, hell yes. They will set their beer down for that. That's a big thing. You know that, like, put it down and get up. That's... They would do that in a heartbeat. You'll know it, too. So I'm just saying that that needs to happen. Just the silhouetted mullet in the sky. Oh, if they put out the good old boy call and then you would have like all across America, you know, the good old boys are getting their superhero suits on, which is just their work boots and their flannel. Let's be real. That's like their superhero costume. And they go out and they get her done. That's it. You know, no Batmobile. You just got your trucks and all that. You don't need no Batmobile. You got your four wheelers. You have your trucks. You don't need no Batmobile. You don't need none of that. Just get out there and get her done. Oh, man. I'm telling you, that needs to happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
At least a TV show. This sounds fun.
SPEAKER 17 :
You could also use the GOB network down at the border. You know, skeet, skeet, skeet, them coyotes coming across. I'm just saying, you could put that silhouetted mullet in the desert sky and everybody sees it. Oh, it's the call.
SPEAKER 07 :
You need to make good old boys great again.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, right. Make good old boys great again. Put that silhouetted mullet in the sky and they know it's time to come. They know what it is. They know what it is. And the siren call, free bird. Right? That's it. And if you want to get into their secret, this just keeps going. If you want to get into the secret G-O-B-H-Q, you got to open up your Zippo and just flick it on and hold it up. Muhammad Freeburn, you get in. It's that super simple. We just solved that problem right there. Look at us solving world problems. I actually, I'm not even joking. That would be great. And then you would have all these other foreign powers like, did you see what those crazy ass people did? They put a mullet silhouette in the sky and all these people and flannel came out everywhere with shotguns. Like what in the world? They'd be too afraid to try a red dawn here. Oh, heck no. Skeet, skeet, skeet. Heck no. All right. So I got a couple of things. We got the pardons. We got to get these part. Get the pardons. I'll talk about this because apparently so Joe Biden had like a record number of pardons and commutations. Well, guess what? Part of that included a prisoner swap where the U.S. and China apparently exchanged prisoners and Beijing has kept quiet about the identities of the returned Chinese nationals, the repatriation of at least three of them. They were convicted of espionage and other crimes. Apparently one was a pederast. And I don't know. Yeah. And apparently Shanlin Jin was sentenced to 97 months in prison. Jin pled guilty. Plano police were going they were going through his computer and they and this was Dallas Morning News. He attended SMU. Forty seven thousand images of underage like child pornography images found on his computer. So I don't know why. And that's one of the apparently one of the people that was provided with clemency is that guy. Why isn't he dead? Immediate murkification. Boom. You're done. You're out. If you're a pederast, you're dead. Golly. So Chinese nationals, one of them is a pedophile and he gets he gets clemency and they get repatriated back to China. Now, it's interesting how some of the media is not really talking about that too much. They're just saying he had some disturbing, disturbing material. No, he literally had child pornography on his computer. He was sentenced in 2021. And there were there were so much of it. Police actually apparently, according to Dallas Morning News, they stopped going through it. They confirmed over like, you know, 14. I mean, so many different actually was over 1300 images that he had. At one point. And then after they did the full. I guess. Tally. It was over 47,000. That's insane. And he gets. He gets clemency. And he's repatriated. And apparently records from the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Show his status is not in federal custody anymore. Why is this guy. I mean Dallas Morning News. They reported on this guy in 2022. Why was he chosen? over others in U.S. custody? Why is an actual pedophile chosen to get repatriated back over other Chinese nationals? I'm very curious. So that's and there's a lot of outrage over that.
SPEAKER 07 :
And now all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 17 :
Air passenger numbers to top 5 billion in 2025. Wow. 5 billion for the first time next year. The sector's revenues are going to break the trillion dollar barrier, according to global aviation body IATA. Passenger numbers are expected to reach 5.2 billion in 2025, a 6.7% rise compared to 24, and the first time that the number of those passengers has exceeded the 5 billion mark. And revenues are up 4.4%, so maybe they can stop making the seats small. Is that possible? Can we stop doing that? A woman won $1,380 for staying smartphone free for eight hours. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Who wasted their money on this? Who did this?
SPEAKER 1 :
$1,380.
SPEAKER 17 :
In China, she completed a public welfare challenge that tested people's ability to stay away from their smartphones for eight hours. Oh, that's it? So they had no smartphones, no sleeping, no distractions like books or movies. They had to lie flat the entire time and avoid displaying signs of anxiety that they monitored through a wristband. So they just laid there for eight hours. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's like $167 an hour.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, China. I don't know. There's... Oh, oh, oh, what? There's a holiday Guinness shortage? I'm sorry, what? What? Pubs are warning that Guinness is limited and it could cripple their business. Everybody's stockpiling the Guinness. That's the issues affecting Guinness suppliers. And in fact, a lot of the pubs in the UK, they're sounding the alarm. In fact, they said they're getting fewer barrels a week from the main distributors. And one guy who normally gets 12 50 liter barrels a week said he only got one barrel this week. Because of the company, the company that owns Guinness, they have allocation limits that they're imposing now. They wanted to make sure that there's enough stock to meet demand over Christmas. They said it's been an exceptional consumer demand for Guinness. So me and the pubs are worried. They're like, we don't have bad bones. Oh, my gosh. A Guinness problem. Who drank it all? No, they they said that they are. There are people who are trying to be a Guinness influencer. And that's a lot of younger people are drinking Guinness. So I'm glad that a lot of younger people are drinking like a good, decent beer instead of the stuff that you wash your beer glasses in. But that's crazy. And they think that a lot of it is the influencer culture. So they've been drinking it all. That's what it is. We have a lot more on the way. Stick with us.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
Do you think it would be wise of President Biden to preemptively pardon any potential targets? What about your wife, Hillary Clinton? She apparently is on Kash Patel's list.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Well, they got a problem with her because, first, she didn't do anything wrong. Of course. Second, she followed the rules exactly as they were written. Third, Trump's State Department, Trump's State Department found... Can you not lift this up? Remember how the emails were such a big issue in 2016? Trump's State Department found that Hillary sent and received exactly zero classified emails.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's yeah, that's a lie. That's a big, giant, fatty McFat lie. Number one. And number two, can he not lift his head up any higher than that? Why was his it looked didn't it look like he was he was suffering under the weight of his eyelids? He was like trying to. Geez. I followed all the rules. I mean, she followed all the rules. She did all those things, followed the rules. She didn't, though. And that's what an IG report actually discovered. And in fact, the DOJ just declined to go after her, even though they could have. There's definitely legal recourse to do so. And her claim, I mean, for crying out loud, even the Washington Post said that what Bill Clinton just said was a lie. Of course, they said it originally when she was stating it, you know, years ago. She said the fact is that I had zero emails that were classified. They they said that was a lie. So it wasn't just. I mean, ABC even was explaining how she deleted 33 emails on her private server, how she absolutely did receive classified information. So for him just saying, I would love to be able to just be like, nuh-uh. And then knowing that you have such a sycophant, so many sycophants in the press, no one's ever going to question you on it. They're never going to say, well, there's not going to be any kind of follow-up. No. Nope. Not going to happen. Golly, is he, can he not raise his head? You saw him. He was like this. He's up there. I'm trying to, if you're not watching the simulcast, I'm leaning my head over like a cocktail shrimp.
SPEAKER 07 :
He looks like he's looking under the desk. That's weird.
SPEAKER 17 :
I wonder if he thinks there's going to be another close but no cigar underneath there. You know, he's used to stepping under the table. He is Trump's age. That is weird, too. He's Trump's age. And why is there such a difference? Being Democrat and being old, you don't age well as an old Democrat. Old Democrats do not age well. Right? Isn't that weird? It's weird. I don't know. Just the whole thing. But he could not even raise his head up. So that's a lie. A couple of other things I want to make sure that we're hitting here because I think... So this is one... The FBI had 26 sources in D.C. on January 6th. What? Oh, yeah, that's what they're reporting now. Although Politico is trying to say, well, not really, really. They had 26 confidential human sources on January 6th, a majority of them of the and apparently with a majority of those individuals entering the restricted area of the Capitol during disturbances that day. Twenty six. Confidential human sources who were there, who entered the Capitol. And then there were an additional 13 confidential human sources around who were in the perimeter there at the Capitol. Hmm. Now they said that they, none of the CHSs who entered the Capitol or a restricted area have been prosecuted to date. Huh. Huh. Now, the report, this report, and it's from the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General, the IG report found that several of those CHSs, what they call the Confidential Human Sources, provided the Bureau with information on the electoral certification process ahead of time. One had been in contact with members of one group, what they call a far-right group. The... Evidence, the IG found no evidence that the FBI deployed undercover agents within the crowds, but they had all kinds of sources. They had all kinds of confidential human sources. Huh. Kane, I, they haven't been prosecuted, but the ones who were right with them were prosecuted.
SPEAKER 07 :
What's up with that? Beyond to the fullest extent of the law. Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. I mean, that's kind of interesting. They said that they had, I don't know if I believe that they had no undercover agents, by the way.
SPEAKER 07 :
This reminds me of what they did with Gretchen in Michigan.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, Big Gretch, the entrapment? Oh, completely.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's like that, where they put these confidential human sources in and they just start doing these things. And people know that you get a riotous sort of response when groups of people are seen doing what a group of people is doing. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 17 :
Trump has said he's going to pardon all of the J6 defendants. He says in his interview, he said, quote, I'm going to do a case by case. And if they were nonviolent, I think they've been greatly punished. He says, yeah, I'm going to look and see if there were some that were really out of control. And he goes, but we're going to do it quickly. And we're going to start in the first hour that I get into office.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's huge, actually.
SPEAKER 17 :
That is super huge. And remember, there were only a tiny amount of prosecutions for the riots in Minneapolis. Yes. And they went on for weeks. They cost half a billion dollars in damage. Two people were killed. And there's no comparison. There's just absolutely no comparison. I wanted to switch gears. So this was apparently they're selling parts of our border wall. For like $5.
SPEAKER 1 :
$5.
SPEAKER 17 :
I'm trying to find this story that I had. I tweeted it out. Here it is. I tweeted it out. So apparently their government is auctioning off our border wall materials for $5. And yeah, it's an online auction. And it's just like huge, massive sections of the border wall that they're auctioning off. And for $5. How are they selling something that they didn't buy? Yeah. How does that work? I'm curious.
SPEAKER 07 :
Where's that money going to go once they do sell it?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, yeah, exactly. Where's it going to go? If they do sell it. Yeah. One day. Exactly. That's the million dollar question. So this they're selling. I mean, it looks like the vertical fence. I don't want to say I guess posts. Is that what this is? They're selling it post by post for five dollars. Yeah. It's not like a section of the wall. It's it looks like it's just different. posts? Why do they have all different pictures of the same group of posts? I'm curious.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Is it not a mile's worth of posts for $5? That's what I thought it was.
SPEAKER 17 :
I keep seeing different things, but my question, though, is Again, remember what we talked about last hour with the GOB network, the good old boy network and how you could just put a silhouetted mullet in the sky like Batman and call for the good old boys to come and shoot down them Iranian drones. Well, could you not do the same thing here at the border? Put that silhouetted muzzle mullet into the sky and at night and then everybody comes down there and they can help. Because we could I mean, we could buy the fence. with again because we already bought it once with our tax dollars and put it together down there right yeah i mean theoretically you could do that i'm just saying uh one of one of our radio listeners uh who's hysterical valeria she said this might sound like appropriation but they are my people so i can say this she says a couple of kegs and i'll bet i can find some real cheap labor so we could technically buy them and then build them at the constructed at the border right look at it like this it's like a giant adult lego kit The border wall, right? Put it together down there. Speaking of the border, I dropped some audio for you in Slack. But this thing, and Lorraine notes too, Trump should not have to pardon most of the J6ers real quick because Fisher v. U.S. wipes out the charge that most of them were jailed over. That's fascinating. I want to come back to that tomorrow. That's very interesting. But it's the justice system in D.C., she notes. This was an audio soundbite. So Dick Durbin, and this is all being leveraged to use against Trump and his proposals for immigration and specifically deportation for people who are in the country illegally, things like that. So this is Dick Durbin who is questioning. This is like one of these hearings. He's questioning this guy. This is the Judiciary Committee, and it's a DACA recipient. And this guy is a DACA recipient, and he is like a grown man. And I want you to listen. It's like a little over a minute. I want you to listen to the soundbite. Foday Ture is his name, and he's a prosecutor. And there's something very interesting to note here. Just listen to this. Listen to this exchange between the both of them.
SPEAKER 18 :
Mr. Ture, are you undocumented? Pardon me, say it again. Yes, Senator. And why are you undocumented?
SPEAKER 01 :
I came here from a civil unrest. I had no choice. My life was in danger. My mom told me the story when I was trying to get my driver's license. How old were you when you came? I came here when I was seven years old. What do you do today? I'm a prosecutor. I represent victims of crimes and go after heinous people that have committed crimes against the Mormons family.
SPEAKER 18 :
You've talked about Ms. Moran's situation a minute or so earlier, but the perpetrator of the crime against her daughter, Rachel, would be the type of person that you would prosecute? Yes, Senator. I think there is a fundamental difference we're being asked to acknowledge here. Is there a difference between Mr. Toure and the animal who attacked Ms. Moran's daughter? Of course there is. This man for a living is prosecuting criminals. He's a criminal. This other individual is a clear criminal with a record. When we say massive deportation, should we consider them the same because they're both undocumented?
SPEAKER 17 :
So here's the problem. This guy is a grown man. I want to know how someone gets to be a prosecutor if you don't have a social security number and you don't have, you know, like actual documentation. And he's a criminal prosecuting criminals. The grace ended when he never went to go and get the proper visa. He never... The grace is gone because he never went and did that. Was it H-1B? He never went and got the proper visa. He could have started that process at any point. And he was also, because he's a DACA recipient, he was protected from deportation under the law. He could have started when he was filling out forms to go to college, when he was going to get his driver's license. I mean, hell, he could have started it there. He could have at any point started the process to become legal citizen and he chose to not do that so you can say that he's making for his living a career prosecuting criminals but he himself is a criminal because he never followed the law to become a legal citizen in the United States even though he had ample opportunity to do so so at some point that That deniability, him being brought over when he was a child by his parents, that I totally understand. That's not his fault. But when he became an adult and he knew that he was brought illegally and that he could be protected from deportation as a DACA recipient, only if he just filled out the paperwork and he just started the process, everything would be okie dokie. He chose to not do that. So at that point, he willingly chose to be a criminal. That's how that works. So he can prosecute criminals, but he himself is a criminal. And that's the difference. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash here with you. And make sure you sign up for Substack, chapter and verse. Lots of good stuff that comes out over there, including Lorraine's latest write-up about all of the legal activity that you may have missed last week in legal. So you're going to want to see that as well. I wanted to play audio soundbite 19. Antony Blinken had to... He apologized to these families... in Afghanistan. And he finally admits only now after Biden is on his way out that they bear some culpability in this. Listen to this.
SPEAKER 05 :
As I said, our thoughts are with all of the Gold Star families. They're with the State Department and USAID employees who lost their lives over the course of 20 years of our military involvement in Afghanistan. And I think today, especially of the 13 heroes that we lost at Abbey Gate, And I deeply regret that we did not do more and could not do more to protect them. And to those families who are here with us today, you're in my thoughts. I wish that Nicole was here with us today. I'm deeply sorry that she's not.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, this is so late in coming. He says, you know, you're my thoughts and my prayers. I regret that we did not do more and could not do more to protect them. Well, you could have. I mean, it's that you just didn't. It's not about that there wasn't anything else that you could do. It's that you just chose not to do what you could. And that's the truth of it. They knew that the terrorists who blew them up, they knew that he was a terrorist. They knew he was affiliated with Taliban. They knew that he had an explosive on him. They knew that he had been doing, like, dry runs on the gate. They knew all of this stuff. In fact, the trial with the families, I have a very dear friend that worked with the families legally. And... From what I understand, they were very well aware that this guy was a threat, that something was going to happen. They were anticipating this. And I think it just shows you the strength of those 13 servicemen and women that they stood their ground. They stayed. They were following orders and they knew it was coming. Can't even imagine that feeling. Ask me again while the military has a tough time recruiting. No amount of messaging is going to wipe that up. You need new leadership. Top down. Today in stupidity came.
SPEAKER 07 :
Speaking of new leadership, cut three one. Dan Goldman, who's a representative, says that Chris Wray, head of the FBI who resigned yesterday, should have waited for Trump to fire him. These are the people we're dealing with. Listen to this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Christopher Wray wanted to do what was best for the FBI. That is not what is probably best, or I would say what is best for the country. I would have much rather that he waited and made Donald Trump actually justify firing him.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm sorry, I've always thought that Dan Goldman's a clown, an absolute clown.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, when is he not? There was never any alternative to think about.
SPEAKER 07 :
But his noting that change for leadership is absolutely needed. Christopher Wray out of there is exactly what we need.
SPEAKER 17 :
Exactly. Yeah, completely. So this is going to be very, very, very interesting as we move towards January. That's what we're all waiting for. Folks, tomorrow is Friday. Make sure you sign up for Substack, chapter and verse. Find us on YouTube and Facebook. Like and subscribe. We will be back with you tomorrow to get you set up for the weekend.
The spotlight is on Kash Patel, a name gaining traction as a potential successor at the FBI. Understand the journey of Patel from a high-profile political aide to a key figure poised to take the helm in American national security. As the conversation evolves, the episode broadens out to discuss economic reforms, DOJ leak investigations, and the delicate balancing act of power between governmental branches. Prepare yourself for an in-depth analysis of current American political dynamics, wrapped with audience interactions and expert opinions.
SPEAKER 08 :
Breaking today on Sekulow, Chris Wray, the head of the FBI, surrenders to Trump, says he will resign before Inauguration Day. What does this mean for the FBI?
SPEAKER 11 :
Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hello and welcome to Sekulow. So I guess he didn't want to be fired by Donald Trump. So Christopher Wray, who was initially put in place by Donald Trump in those, again, that era where, again, President Trump was a new president. You're trying to find good fits that can quickly be confirmed and trying to kind of counter Trump. Comey with someone with similar credentials to Comey and unfortunately what happened there was Chris Wray now I wouldn't say became another Comey to some extent but he did order and prove the raid on the former president's and now president-elect's home So at that point, you think about judgment. And it's not just because, hey, he did this to President Trump. He also did this to people who were pro-life activists and was showing up their doors with guns. And remember, they did this to radical traditional Catholics. That was all done by the FBI. Christopher Wray is the lead. So it's a good move. Obviously, I think it opens the door to justice. where you look at the difference between a Kash Patel and when you go back to Christopher Wray, who honestly, in those congressional hearings, Logan, to me, every time I would see Christopher Wray, I was kind of like, that's not instilling much confidence in the FBI.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I think even though he wasn't necessarily Comey, but he became a pretty toxic figure, became a name that you kind of, our audience would react to in a negative way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Yeah. Some ways less because it didn't lead to basically an attempt to remove Trump from office.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it more became an annoyance. Someone, when you heard the name, you knew that there was something that felt political was going to happen. They were trying to bar him from actually being able to run.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that was their big move there. Convicted felon, blah, blah.
SPEAKER 09 :
But here's what you have. You have Chris Wray saying, hey, before the end of the term...
SPEAKER 08 :
I am gonna get out of here and of course there's a lot of reasons that he'd want to do that yes one is there could have there's a threat of a potential constitutional showdown because the FBI director is supposed to be independent you're not supposed to be able to fire them I think the current Supreme Court would say anybody in the executive branch who was appointed by a president can be fired by a president doesn't matter which president appointed them they're not part of the bureaucracy you don't have to show any wrongdoing at all you could just say This doesn't work. And there's so many conflicts now. How on earth, if you're Christopher Wray, could you really be sitting across with President Trump, knowing the fact that you've been trying to go after him, allowing others to go after him as well, to the point where you raided his home, faked the photos of where documents were, all over pieces of paper that you didn't give his team time to even put together. So goodbye, Christopher Wray. Then we bring in then Kash Patel and individuals like that. And I will say this, I think because of the disdain about some of these agencies, Logan, someone like Kash Patel, who they wanted to make in this controversial figure, is hitting the Senate and they're realizing he's had every job leading up to this that would qualify you to be an FBI agent. They just don't like the fact that, like most of them, he's politically active.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, he's someone who has been a loud voice for a number of years now, really through the last four years or so. As if Eric Holder was not. The rumble generation, I guess. He's kind of one of those guys who's come up and has become one of those names, one of those social media names that you hear that you maybe don't know about his true background. Look, I'll be one of the people who say that. I knew Kash Patel as a... As an influencer, if you will, as a political voice online, I didn't know all about his background and that he is qualified for this position. So when the first thing came up that he was going to be nominated, I was like, oh, that's interesting. And then, of course, you do your research, you realize, okay, he's an incredibly qualified person.
SPEAKER 08 :
Folks, we need your support. This is going to be a lot of work. One, getting these nominations through. We do a lot of that. You know, we're working on Tulsi's nomination as we speak. You can sign that petition at ACLJ.org. But we also need your financial support so we can double down on that government affairs work in Washington, D.C., and make sure that the right people are being appointed. So donate today. Be part of our Faith and Freedom Challenge. Your gift will be doubled. So important, the impact these donations make for the ACLJ for the entire next year. Donate at ACLJ.org right now. We'll be right back. Back to Sekulow. So I want to take your calls on this 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. There's a lot to talk about there with Christopher Wray resigning. And I think I want to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. So Time Magazine names President Trump. Person of the Year. He could reshape the country. What I am hoping a little bit more is that he is reshaping the Washington, D.C. bureaucracy while at the same time focusing on how to keep Americans safe from the drug cartels, from fentanyl, and also keep our economy secured where we're not the ones who are sending all these high-tariff imports into the U.S. and not putting enough tariffs on outside companies as well, and those fights. I mean, the goal here is keep America safe and then get Americans back on track financially. And you could do that very quickly. Stock market's already doing that. But you could do that very quickly if we get interest rates down and if the prices of things start to fall. I think you'd also see, Logan, less and less people who aren't able to buy their first home. Yeah, I think if that gets- It's not the price of the home. It's what the mortgage ends up being.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. You end up being able to spend. I mean, I know this from personal knowledge is I purchased a home back in, I guess it was 2015. Yeah. And if I was just to purchase that same home at the same price, my mortgage would be nearly double, if not that. I mean, it's just is what it is. And it makes it impossible to even consider moving or coming up with options. My wife and I decided we're going to redo our house because we can't really, really look at anywhere to move that would be any, upgrade it would be not even moving to the same even with the fact that be easy to sell your house in our market sell it with no problem but then where you're going I think a lot of people have this sort of problem and they're looking to a Trump administration to address and fix some of these big economic issues that are hindering growth from a lot of young people who are trying like you said my young people by the way I mean people even in their 30s who are trying to make that next step in their life in their career whether that home kind of a place where you're based yeah
SPEAKER 08 :
And again, that doesn't work for everybody anyways, but we know so many people wish they could, are working hard, and have the salaries that over 10 years ago... Would have been no problem to purchase a home. Probably a home that they didn't even imagine that they could purchase. But I've had one of my mortgage payments that wasn't locked in has doubled. So, I mean, it went from, I think it was, I'll just say to people, the difference between $2,000 a month and $5,500 a month. That's a big difference. It's a rental property, so... Getting that back. I mean, so people are being hurt. There's a lot to do, but we have to clean up Washington first. Yeah, absolutely. People should hear from Christopher Wray.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and phone lines are open also at 1-800-684-3110. We should hear first. I think it's a good idea. This is President Trump with Kristen Welker on NBC News last week going over what would happen to Christopher Wray. Does he get fired? Does he not? We do know, obviously, that Christopher Wray has said, hey... Before I get fired, I am just going to bow out nicely over the next few weeks. Let's hear that conversation.
SPEAKER 01 :
Are you going to fire the current FBI director, Christopher Wray, who you appointed?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I can't say I'm thrilled with him. He invaded my home. I'm suing the country over it. He invaded Mar-a-Lago. I'm very unhappy with the things he's done, and crime is at an all-time high. Migrants are pouring into the country that are from prisons and from mental institutions, as we've discussed. I can't say I'm thrilled. I don't want to say, I don't want to, again, I don't want to be Joe Biden and give you an answer and then do the exact opposite. So I'm not going to do that. What I'm going to say is I certainly cannot be happy with him. You take a look at what's happened. And then when I was shot in the ear, he said, oh, maybe it was shrapnel. Where's the shrapnel coming from? Is it coming from heaven? I don't think so. We need somebody to strain. You know, I have a lot of respect for the FBI, but the FBI's respect has gone way down over the last number of years.
SPEAKER 01 :
Don't you have to fire him in order to make room for cash? But he is, in fact, confirmed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I mean, it would sort of seem pretty obvious that if cash gets in, he's going to be taking somebody's place. Right. Somebody is the man that you're talking about.
SPEAKER 08 :
And listen, I think Christopher Wray did the right thing here. He has not been someone who has been a very successful FBI director. He's gotten way too political, like the president said, raiding his home, those documents being scattered, sending in agents to spy on churches with no basis. It wasn't like they were looking for an individual who might be trying to utilize it. It was just, hey, we should look into these Catholic churches because that's where we see so much domestic terrorism come from. Except I don't see any. But you know what? They consider us, a lot of us, domestic terrorists with pro-life activists. And that is work that we are having to do, even with the overturning of Roe, even with Republicans in control, so pro-lifers in control of the House, the Senate, and the White House. Logan, you're working on big projects now that we won't be able to do without people's financial support right now where they can double their donation. Because these are some big pro-life projects.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, absolutely. We're signing contracts, you know, hopefully in the next few weeks. And a lot of it's going to be based on your response. We're going to unveil a lot of that coming up in the next week as something that we are working on big pro-life projects that are beyond just the law. We're also going to influence culture in a way that we've been working on for the last six months or so. These are projects that are dealt with some of the highest level. of incredible marketing and creative people who are putting together these campaigns that we think are going to be revolutionary. But of course, we can't do it without your support because that is how this works. It's not like we're running an ad campaign for the ACLJ. We're running an ad campaign and to support the concept of keeping your child. and why that is a good choice to make. There's not a return on that ad campaign, if you will. What we need is your support to make sure we can take over these spaces. We're going to talk about that again in the coming days. The ACLJ Faith and Freedom Drive is happening, though, right now. It's our year-end drive. It's our biggest month of the year. Have your gift doubled right now. Through our faith in freedom, year-end drive at ACLJ.org. You can scan that QR code on your screen. And if you look, if you can't do that right now, I understand. But right now, if you do, your gift's doubled. That means another ACLJ member, ACLJ champion, that's someone that gives on a monthly recurring basis, is ready to make and unlock their matching donation. This is a gift you can give this Christmas season that makes a global impact supporting the work of your ACLJ. And I encourage you to do that if you can. And if you can't, an easy way to support the ACLJ for free, hit that subscribe button if you're watching on YouTube. Hit that follow button on Rumble. If you're watching on X, follow us there. Share it with your friends. Make sure that this content gets out there for more people to see.
SPEAKER 08 :
as well these confirmation petitions are very important a lot of us on the right don't have a very close relationship with tulsi gabbard because if you were in washington dc as a member of congress you might have worked with her on some issues and she's got some definite republicans in the house who support her work and some who have gone from the house to the senate who knew her well and how she could work in a bipartisan way but Who better to kind of validate than a conservative Christian legal organization that she joined up with to be on this broadcast to talk directly to you and with us about serious issues, whether it was issues for the country, issues when it comes to our military, and issues when it comes to our allies and the deployment of U.S. troops and the hot wars going on around the world. This is someone who, while doing all this, has served over 20 years in the military. So that's a great way. Those petitions don't just get signed online to show everybody, look, we've got a lot of signatures. We deliver them, hand deliver them to the Senate teams so they know exactly how many Americans and ACLJ supporters were. want to see Tulsi Gabbard confirmed because we have worked with her over this past year, even a bit longer. And so we got to know Tulsi. She's the real deal. And so that's why we've got that petition up at ACLJ.org. So another way to really assist us if things are getting too tight this season. But if not, again, making that donation now at ACLJ.org is our core. It is how we get to... figure out kind of where we go with that budget, like Logan was talking about. How far can we go with a pro-life campaign? What cases do we need to already be preparing for that we kind of see bubbling in our own caseload, but also in what's happening in the country as well. So we'll take your calls at 1-800-684-3110. But I really encourage you, if you've got that $50 or $25, again, it doubles the impact of your donation. And that is serious for the ACLJ, and it really does matter. So if you want to talk to us again, ACLJ, 1-800-684-3110. What would you have done? if Christopher Wray had done this to you. And do you think that the president should just leave that alone? Or do you agree that the president should be able to fire anybody who is appointed by a president? Democrats might not like it, but that should be, you know, it's just, we don't even need laws on that. It's clear how the constitution is written. This is just a, well, we've always done it this way. And guess what? That's why Washington Logan can't stand Donald Trump is because he doesn't care how Washington used to do things.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right. We'd love to hear from you about this. Give us a call at 1-800-684-3110. When you heard about Christopher Wray in this situation, was a sigh of relief to know that he is going to, I would say, a peaceful transition, I guess you'd say. 1-800-684-3110. Give us a call. We've got some great segments coming up also. Jeff Balabon is going to join us from ACLJ Jerusalem as well as we have special guests coming up in the next segment. So you're going to stay tuned for that. And of course, support the work of the ACLJ. As Jordan said, this is the most important month of the year. So I know you're going to hear a lot of fundraising over the next few weeks. Just know that that's why 25% of our annual budget comes in in the month of December. So we can't do it without you right now. ACLJ.org. But give us a call at 1-800-684-3110. And if you're online right now, if you're watching on YouTube or you're watching on Rumble and you have nothing to say, you're like, I don't know what to put in this chat. I see it going by. I like to know where everyone's watching from. So just in there in this break, if you either go make a donation or put in the comments where you're watching from or do both. We'll be right back.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, welcome back to Seculo. We're joined by a great friend of ours, someone we work with as a colleague, Tristan Levitt from Empower Oversight. We always encourage you to check their site out at empoweroversight.org. You know, we work with Tristan for those whistleblowers like Marcus Allen, who we achieved a successful settlement with the FBI. I want to check in with Tristan on that. We're still in, you know, court going on with Garrett O'Boyle the one who said you know if you speak out the FBI will crush you and they are fighting back they did not in a very different way than they did with Marcus so we continue to fight that as well together with Empower Oversight but I also know Tristan that you've got some new information through FOIA and through the work you're doing and with the Department of Justice and I wanted to give you the opportunity to share people about it it's really important when we talk about these cases
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, absolutely. So my partner, Jason Foster, who founded Empower, he and I used to work together for Senator Chuck Grassley on the Senate Judiciary Committee. That was where we investigated Operation Fast and Furious. And when I was over in the House side after the Hillary Clinton email investigation, he stayed in Senator Grassley's office. And as various things came up, like the Russiagate investigation, Jason was really thoroughly involved in that. Well, last about a year ago, we learned that that from a phone provider of his that way back in 2017, the Justice Department had sought out his communications records. And it turns out that it related to a leak investigation, the news of, you know, of some of the information that DOJ was providing to Congress. And so just this week, the Justice Department Inspector General finally released its report, which found that back in 2017, DOJ took 43 congressional staffers, two members of Congress, and sought records from all of them. For instance, Jason's, um information you know communicating with whistleblowers in the Justice Department those call records not the call themselves recordings but the records the phone logs all would have been produced and what's worse the Justice Department then got courts without ever telling the court that this related to congressional records because obviously we have a separation of powers under our Constitution that's there for a reason Congress is supposed to conduct oversight of the executive branch Jason's job on the Senate Judiciary Committee working for Senator Grassley was to conduct oversight so that when the Justice Department is doing things, Congress has insight into that and can look for wrongdoing. Well, the Justice Department used that backdoor and never told the judge when they sought these communications that they were congressional records they were seeking. And so finally, this Inspector General report highlights what a huge problem that is, how it can expose whistleblower information, and also how the judge never knew that for Four or five years after that, DOJ got nondisclosure agreements to stop Google or Apple or anyone else from informing those whose records had been obtained. So this is a really big problem. Kash Patel is one of the staffers whose records were also obtained. But this is something that there's got to be more change on because DOJ just saying, well, we won't do it again is not good enough.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it's not. I mean, there's got to be something done. And Tristan, we've talked about the legislative reform necessary so that whistleblowers are protected. But now we're going to the point where we're talking about people inside the executive branch who are being investigated by the FBI. They're getting the okay to go from a judge. And I wanted to kind of get this from you because I think this has got to be people are thinking, how did that happen? How did they go to a judge and say they wanted these records without telling the judge where those records were?
SPEAKER 03 :
So it's because they sought it. They didn't use their official Senate issued phone or House issued phone. They sought their personal side records. And in Jason's case, it was significant, though, because so it was a Google voice number. He's explained this publicly, but that Google voice phone. phone number routed directly to his Senate phone. So even though they weren't using, because if they had sought directly the Senate issued phone numbers, there is a requirement out there from Congress that Congress has to be notified if there's any sort of request there. DOJ was sneaky. So they just found the personal communications avenues for these individuals. and sought those out. And so that's why none of the information to the judge was just presented as here's a leak investigation. Some classified information has been reported out there. We want you to allow us to go and look at the communications records of all these individuals. And the judge was never the wiser.
SPEAKER 10 :
Tristan, there was a commentator on MSNBC yesterday that was talking about the nomination of Kash Patel reacting to Chris Wray announcing that he'd be leaving. And he said, and this is a former state senator of Florida, and he said something to the effect that Kash Patel used to be on team normal, but then he got investigated and became radicalized. And I think... When you hear what Empower is talking about here and what the Office of the Inspector General has confirmed through their investigation, when you hear people say that, oh, they were investigated and radicalized, it rings hollow to me because... It doesn't seem radical to want the Department of Justice to want to follow the law, not spy on congressional staffers doing their constitutional mandate of oversight. But here we are. The mainstream is going to say it's radical. But I think it also shows the importance of getting these reforms through in the next Congress and under the next administration while we have this opportunity to ensure this doesn't happen again.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that's exactly right. And what's unfortunate about this whole radicalized narrative is this impacts Republicans and Democrats, right? So this is not a partisan issue. To be clear, people can spin this however they want. This was the beginning of the Trump administration. That's how a lot of people reported it. On the other hand, it was career folks in the Justice Department, the FBI that are seeking these out. They sought out records from both Democrat and Republican members of Congress. But I think everybody has to take a step back and understand the Constitution was established before there was a Republican Party, before there was a Democrat Party. And the separation of powers in there, you know, the checks and balances are really important. They're there for a reason. And so to the extent that we, you know, just just allow people to run those over because we think, well, you know, if I'm a if I'm a Republican, it's fine. It's just Republicans. If I'm a Democrat, it's fine. It's the Democrats. really, really has led to part of the erosion of our protections in our government and our separation of power systems. So there absolutely need to be reforms. DOJ cannot have that kind of access with no checks on them. And you're right, this is the key time to do it, to make those changes.
SPEAKER 08 :
And we've got the president to do it. We've got the House to do it. We've got the Senate to do it. We just have to fight hard alongside and power oversight to do that. Tristan, thanks for joining us. We're still in the fight with you to get both Garrett O'Boyle and make sure he is set and gets what he deserves. And also to make sure, hey, just really quickly, Marcus Allen, because remember last time still were issues over back pay. Where does that stand?
SPEAKER 03 :
So he's gotten there's we're still we're whittling it down, but he's gotten more. He got an initial payment. He got a subsequent payment. And we're still doing the kind of final due diligence to make sure he's gotten everything that he's owed. But, you know, he's in a he's in a much better place than he was six months ago, obviously, thanks to all the work that we've all put in.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you, Tristan. Folks, that is just great news. I wanted to make sure you knew that because remember the last time we talked to Tristan, that was the big hold up that the FBI had agreed to a figure that they know they didn't want to really then they started fighting to pay out. So all of this work, even when you get the victory, This is a great example, Logan. When you get a victory at ACLJ, that doesn't mean that work on that case for that client is done. In fact, it could go for another year. In Garrett O'Boyle's case, similar kind of client, still in court.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you have to celebrate it. We want to make sure people know when there's a victory that you take that victory and go, wow, this is great. You saw the work the ACLJ said they were going to do. They did it. And they won. And that's great. But as you said, we are paying the best of the best. We're paying the best lawyers, the best media people to make sure that we can be able to provide this not only to those clients, but to future clients in the future and have broadcasts like this to make sure we can stay on the air. So I encourage you right now, as we head into the second half hour of this broadcast, if you don't get that on your local station, find us on YouTube or Rumble or ACLJ.org. Right now, ACLJ.org and support the work at ACLJ.org. Scan the QR code. We'll be right back. Second half hour coming up.
SPEAKER 11 :
keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, welcome back to Sekulow. We're taking your calls to 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. Tristan brought up some interesting things too about current nominees whose information got sought in this way that we want to fight in Congress to make sure isn't done because this kind of being able to go to a court and say, no, no, we're not looking for any kind of official government records. This is not a separation of powers issue. We just want their personal records. We believe the wrongdoing is done on the personal side. And if we had access to that, that's enough. We don't need government records. access but someone has a phone forwarding a call forward set up so that it goes to their work phone so they don't miss calls that might be important for the senator they work for and it happened to Kash Patel who now they're fighting back what you're really seeing is separation of powers being kind of fading away because you've got one of the branches of government able to spy on the other branch of a government by utilizing a loophole technical loophole and one of the issues that we've seen in court all all the time logan you don't have to be an attorney to see this is that courts are not always the best place to figure out technology you've got to have the laws and they've got to be clear because a lot of times you're dealing with judges and then when you get to even the u.s supreme court that are not as active on the technologies that are available today so easily And that's why you have to fight on the legislative side, which takes me to, Logan, when you're supporting the ACLJ. It's not always just the legal work. It's all the policy work and legislative work that we do on Capitol Hill that's just important to issues like this.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, absolutely. I think it's important that we have people who can go in into these courtrooms, like you say, and explain it in a way that's easy to understand. Not that these judges are technologically not savvy, but sometimes they're older. They don't know what we're talking about here. Look, even for us, we have to do our research on what people are using or not using. I did want to throw back a little bit. Will brought up in the last segment that clip from MSNBC about Kash Patel and how he was, quote unquote, radicalized. Let's take a listen to this from MSNBC just today.
SPEAKER 12 :
I was disappointed, Jonathan, that Ray capitulated. That's what he did. He ran from the building. He's still fighting the last war. He's still in a world of norms. This is the Trump era. It's different. He should have stayed and fought, forced Trump to fire him. His replacement is likely to be Kash Patel. I do think he'll be confirmed by the Senate. And Kash Patel is someone actually I know. He was a public defender in Miami, so he was in my neck of the woods. He was actually on Team Normal for a while, even when he worked for Congressman Devin Nunes. Kash Patel was a very likable guy. He was not part of the Ultra Maga. But what happened was he changed during the Russia investigation. He was investigating himself. It took a lot of time, money out of his own pockets. And some would say it radicalized him. And now it's a different Kash Patel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, no kidding. You know, first of all, you're not radicalized because you support a president of the United States and you have political positions that you care about. That is not being radicalized. He was a Republican who saw the problems with oversight because even as a top staffer on those committees, he gets investigated himself while he's doing the investigation. And you think about that investigation into Russia. Wouldn't you be pretty upset when you realized that the entire Russia narrative was fake? It was all made up. And then they use a term, Logan, that makes them sound like a terrorist. Radicalized. How often do you hear that for anything other than that? The traditional Catholics. We have to go to them. So we have to make everybody out to be this kind of on-the-line domestic terrorist if you happen to be pro-life. if you happen to be a Christian who shares their faith with others in any kind of public way, or if you have political positions that because of a president that you supported, who, by the way, you work in Republican, the world of Republican politics and executive branch, Cash Patel's got a long record there, that you're being spied on. And what I always put it, and we know this, is that if they will do it to Kash Patel and Donald Trump, we know they will do it to us. They already have. They tried to send spies, and were successful in one case, into churches. Think about that. They want your records. They want to say that, you know what, this person, you know, he called somebody in a different country. So because of that, we're not only going to Listen in on that call. But we can deem them a foreign agent and now spy on them through the FISA court. We've got to fight back. Donate today. Double your impact. We need that support. ACLJ.org. Donate today. Welcome back to Sekiro. As you know, Israel in the news a lot these days, our number one ally in the Middle East, if not the entire world, because of what we're seeing kind of shift in Western Europe. We still do have NATO together to some point, though I think there's a lot of work that needs to be done there by the Trump administration. They know that to push to make sure those countries... pay their fair share because it's really right now it's the United States paying for an international military and a lot of those other countries aren't up to speed so if we needed NATO deployments we'd still have to also bear the brunt of that by using our own troops and our own supplies because they're not investing enough in their own militaries but we are able to have that relationship with Israel where we do develop these new technologies. The Iron Dome has been one, and these smaller Iron Domes have protected so many American troops. It was all really tested out in Israel at a larger scale to keep civilians safe. But I want to bring in Jeff Balaban, our director of ACLJ Jerusalem, because people are looking towards... I mean, it's never forever end to a conflict with a group like Hamas that calls for the murder of all Jews wherever you see them in their charter. But there is some optimism right now in Israel because Hamas leadership that is currently still alive has shown some interest in hostage releases for a ceasefire and even more to allow the IDF more access. Tell people about it.
SPEAKER 07 :
So there's news that there's a potential new deal that Hamas is opening up to in Cairo, negotiations in Cairo. And America seems to be pushing this deal, the current administration. And the deal has broken through certain things that Hamas has always said no to, which is that some IDF presence remains in Gaza, which obviously needs to remain there. I mean, the entire Gaza is a military base or terrorist base used against Israel. And the IDF needs to be there. And the other is that they're... They've given a list of a certain number of hostages, including American hostages, still held in captivity, although we don't know their status. And again, Hamas is utterly unreliable. And so this is, you know, in Israel, it's being greeted by some sectors who are desperate to have hostages home. Well, everyone's desperate for the hostages to be home. And they're appreciating this moving forward. And everyone recognizes that the only reason this is happening is the imminent change in the American administration. And Hamas has nowhere to run after this. And no one who's going to protect them the way the American administration has been protecting them. So that's one aspect. But the other aspect is that most people don't really trust Hamas, don't understand why part of this deal is likely to be the release of some huge number of terrorists, which is exactly what triggered... October 7th, that terrorists that were released in exchange for a Jew taken hostage or an Israeli taken hostage ended up plotting and leading the October 7th massacres and atrocities and war. And so there's a tremendous amount of skepticism and concern at the same time as there are people who are desperate for some good news about returning some of these hostages, if not all of them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I wanted to circle back on a couple of things. One, Jeff, they actually put forward a list, Hamas, of the hostages that would be released and their condition I don't know if they put their condition of this hostage is deceased this hostage is still alive but that we know that they presented a list like that the importance of that plus the fact that they have conceded at this point if this deal goes through to allowing the IDF to keep a presence in Gaza, not just on the outskirts, for a certain period of time to make sure that this is not just a bluff move by Hamas to be able to rearm.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's correct. Those are details that have come out. Again, let's realize who we're dealing with. And you know this, obviously, on the other side, we're dealing with people who decided that it was a good idea to murder, rape, mutilate whole families, burn them alive and videotape it and share it. So their credibility is somewhat difficult to really believe. But at the same time, Israel is making this deal or is looking at this deal, shouldn't say making the deal, Also knowing there's a timeline while Biden and Blinken are in charge of this policy or Biden and Harrison Blinken, whoever is charged with policy, this administration and is waning weeks before Donald Trump takes office, knows that there's tremendous desperation by Hamas and they will see what they can get out of it during this period of time.
SPEAKER 09 :
Is some of this, Jeff, and I'm just curious about sort of the mood on the ground, the way I was talking about that in Israel, is some of this that the people, the citizens of Israel, are just wanting some sort of, and it sounds weird to say this, but some form of normalcy again. So it goes, okay, we need to get our tourism back. We need to get all these things back. So if this is not necessarily the best solution, but it's some kind of solution to the problem, is there that feeling going on? Do you feel like there's some pressure there to say, hey, The country's got to get back on track. The war needs to to wrap up and we need to get things back going because we were in a very Western civilization, again, driven pretty highly by tourism. And of course, when the news coming out of Israel is a war 24 seven, that doesn't help.
SPEAKER 07 :
So the economy in general, and tourism is an important part of the economy here, but the economy in general has been buffeted by this war. I mean, we have a huge sector of people who would otherwise be in the workforce who have spent most of the past year on the front lines fighting a war. And so things have shut down in the domestic economy, not just in terms of tourism. It's been affected, not shut down, but affected greatly. And there is desperate hope for that. But based on what I just said to you, you'll imagine even more hope is that their spouses and parents and children and brothers and sisters are going to come home from the front. And so the tourism and the economy are extremely important, but they also want their loved ones to be safe and sound. And we just had a return to the north here. Finally, because of what took place in Lebanon and Syria recently, they finally allowed people to return to the north and there are all kinds of celebrations. People have seen their homes for the first time in a year. And we're not talking about a few people, there are tens of thousands of people, thousands and thousands of families who've been away from their home and have been refugees within their own country for a year. And so we are so far from normalcy here and yet, people have had to contend with it and focus on it. And people ask me all the time, you know, are the Israelis, do they have the gumption to stick this out or are they, you know, or are they reeling from this? And the answer is both are true. Yes, they have the gumption to stick this out. They're taking the lead here. And by the way, what Jordan said earlier, I want to get back to that about what just took place in Syria and in terms of, Israel being America's ally. You know, when Israel bombed the Osirak nuclear reactor, most of America criticized it. Leading America criticized it. Some didn't. Some said, thank you. Imagine if the Iraqis had had nuclear weapons. Imagine if what's now happening in Syria, which is a total collapse, and now you have multiple black hats fighting each other. No one's good there. fighting each other for control. Lots of terrorist organizations. Imagine if they had access to the kind of caches of weapons, including chemical weapons, that exist in Syria. And Israel is really leading the charge in saving the West from this.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, Jeff, talking about the hostages as well, I always say that about Israel too. They are the tip of the spear in the battle against Islamic terrorism and new technology to keep their soldiers and most importantly to them, civilians safe like here. And we're now able to use that technology by working together. So when people question why do we send these resources, and I want to bring up this, like in the National Defense Authorization budget, why do we send these kind of resources like $500 million to Israel? Well, it's not just $500 million, Jeff, to Israel. If you actually look at it, what it does, it's $500 million in spending on U.S.-Israel relations. missile defense cooperation. What I was just talking about, Jeff, is that we are able to work with Israel to test technologies that work in a smaller area, as Israel is a small state, that we could then deploy on the battlefield or in any situation necessary to protect American lives. That's why we invest in Israel, because we're working together to save lives.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree, Jordan. This is obviously much more of an investment. People complain about it like we're giving a gift to the state of Israel. First of all, as you say, all that money is spent in America. Unfortunately, what this Biden administration has done by withholding weaponry when it was needed have actually damaged Israel's ability to trust America to be there when there's a time of great conflict and wars. But it's always been based on the idea that there's a mutually beneficial arrangement here. Israel is the stabilization, the stabilizing force in this very volatile and violent region. This is a region that Russia and China both have interest in to turn it also and control it. And so these issues are incredibly important to every American. I'll add to that. We have a major, as we know, problem with people, illegal aliens in America. There's going to be mass deportations, hopefully, from America of illegals, you know, criminals that come over. Well, many of those are jihadis, and we know that. And guess who has the best intelligence that can help the United States of America and the individual states root out the terrorists or the potential terrorists who have come over the border in the past few years to America? We know they're there. And I believe that we will be working closely with Israel to help them, to them to help us be able to root out those terrorists from America.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, Jeff, to end this on those hostages that we don't ever want to forget in these talks, we negotiate about and are representing about 10. Four of them have been released, two have been confirmed killed, and four remain. And two of the four remaining are women. So they should have gotten out with that humanitarian release, but weren't. So we need to continue to work very hard to get those hostages released. And again, the way we do that, of course, it all starts with having the resources to have ACLJ Jerusalem and other people we have to associate with to get those americans and israelis home and as many as we can alive so support the work of the aclj right now during our faith and freedom drive double your impact at aclj.org donate today we'll be right back Welcome back to Secula. Let me thank those of you who have been holding on the line. We're going to get right to those calls at 1-800-684-3110. If you want to be on the show, you need to call right now. That's 1-800-684-3110. A lot of calls in on, of course, Christopher Wray and Kash Patel. Let's get to them.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right, let's go to Robert's calling Maryland on line two. Robert, you're up.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes. Hi. I was calling about the FBI director or former FBI director, Christopher Wray. If he's now the former FBI director, what's the main reason or reasons he either resigned or was fired? And I want to say before you answer the question, thank God that Assad has fallen in Syria. And we need to continue to destroy all those jihadist groups in Syria. We don't want Syria to become another Afghanistan. Appreciate that.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, we don't, Rob. I mean, Syria, as you heard from Jeff Balaban, it's something we have to watch very closely. On the one hand, to see a dictatorship fall like that should be a good thing for the world. Should is what I say, because sometimes, I mean, those were dictators who were using chemical weapons on their own people, so it doesn't get much worse. unless you put in a terror group that starts executing mass executions of people in Syria because they don't share their exact faith or the women aren't wearing the clothing the right way and they are killed and executed. So we will see. if this group really has changed the way they say they have. On the other point, Christopher Wray has not actually resigned yet. He announced that he will resign before the beginning of the next administration. So what will happen is, unless it happens a little bit earlier, which wouldn't really change the procedure much. In general, we're only a month out. He's got a deputy, a principal deputy. unless that principal deputy resigns with him as well they would like they could set their resignation day depending on where Kash Patel's nomination is somewhere again right after the president takes office so and they are basically holding the spot and that you kind of go down the list to figure out who would be there as an interim director who can keep the ships kind of running but is certainly only there until the moment you can send Kash Patel in who is someone that continues to gain support on Capitol Hill and I think that's a great thing because a lot of people know him more for his work in politics outside of government I mean he's someone who's been chief of staff to the Department of Defense So chief of staff to the head of the U.S. military. The deputy assistant to President Trump. When he was chief of staff at DOD, he oversaw the $3 million employees, a $740 billion budget, and $2 trillion in assets. He was the deputy director with Rick Grinnell, the deputy director of national intelligence, where he, again, assisted Rick. in trump's mission to get those intelligence agencies back on track as best they could and he was so he worked very closely with rick on that and rick is you know part of our team is working hard to get cash there so it the the tough part is when you look at his legislative background the fact that he worked with you know tristan levin he worked on with Devin Nunes in uncovering the Russia story being a complete lie. That's what the left doesn't like about Logan. It's not that he's a political actor. It's that Kash Patel is the one who exposed their lies about Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 09 :
Of course, of course. Let's go ahead and continue on with these calls. And by the way, if you want to call in, last chance, 1-800-684-3110. Let's go to Melissa, who's calling in South Carolina, watching on Rumble. Melissa, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, Merry Christmas, guys. I expected Christopher Wray to resign before Trump got in. But what I don't understand is why are people upset with Donald Trump, you know, potentially being able to fire him or fire somebody? The Constitution gives him that right. People that are... that are not doing what is in the best interest of the United States, according to the Constitution, should be removed. And I just don't understand why we wasted four years on the Biden administration, but then to knock Trump about wanting to fire people or remove them, that's his right. Yeah. So that's my comment.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know what it is? Because, Melissa, they love traditional Washington, D.C., and traditional Washington, D.C. followed this procedure of, well, an FBI director should serve a little bit more than just two terms of the president that may be nominated them, so let's give them 10 years. And then at that mark, they automatically will resign. But there's nothing that stops the president from saying, you know what? No, you don't get your 10 years because of how you're conducting the running. of the FBI. I disagree with how you're doing it. I don't like your working style. You're out the door. You're appointed by the president. This isn't a lifetime appointment, as the Constitution makes clear that those judicial nominees are. This is an appointment by the president like any other. They serve at the pleasure of the president. And people, Logan, are actually now mad at Christopher Wray for resigning.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I'm sure there's a big group that's upset about that because he should have a few more years left in his term. Let's go to Mary, who's calling in Pennsylvania on line one. Mary's watching on Rumble, her favorite free speech platform, Rumble. Mary, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hi, thank you. My question is about information that the FBI has been holding undisclosed, such as the Epstein list and the January 6th information. I just wanted to know what keeps that information protected so when Cash does take over, if he does, then he can disclose that information.
SPEAKER 08 :
Ultimately, Mary, information like what you're talking about, that the FBI director would work with the Department of Justice. That would be led by Pam Bondi as attorney general, former AG of Florida. And you'd work together on those steps and then take it to the president to get the final authorization. The president makes the ultimate call. On those kind of issues, to release that, and it depends on how much you're releasing. Are you releasing portions that are in a summary and then quoting it, or are you just going to give everything to everyone? I think the more you're giving, the more you want that final sign-off from the president. Now, you said, what guarantees they won't try to keep things from him? He'll be able to bring in his own team to an extent, but remember... He understands that most of that office, unfortunately, will be trying to work against him. So what do you do? Well, you take every division within the Department of Justice, and they're all divided up by the different areas of law that they cover. And one of those that has been a serious problem for Republicans since... doesn't sound like it should be but has is the civil rights division inside DOJ so when you get to that level you make sure that the right person's there so to work with someone like Kash Patel who'd be the director of the FBI which the Department of Justice oversees so there's that interplay there that's going to be Harmeet Dhillon through her confirmation, and that she would then oversee. Now, she was, again, someone who was head of the California Republican Party, has a firm that is very directly involved in election law, so totally qualified for that division. And you've got to make sure all of those people in the DOJ are set, and then you've got to make sure if you're Kash Patel that you've got the right team as well. You don't get as many picks, but you certainly get enough to where you've got a team that's going to make sure you're able to carry out the job that you have been tasked to do by the President of the United States and likely confirmed to do by the U.S. Senate. And if people are—I think this is what's going to be different about Trump this time around more quickly— and definitely the left you never see this is, they're going to be more aggressive about, Logan, getting rid of the bad actors. What I know the ACLJ will be involved there is that will become a constitutional question potentially that goes all the way through federal courts. What is the line where you can remove federal bureaucrats who have all these protections if they aren't providing information? Is that enough? Is it just insubordination? We're going to have to fight those issues out. It seems like we shouldn't have to, but we know we will.
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Join Tony Perkins in this compelling episode of Washington Watch as critical issues take the spotlight. Emerging reports of mystery drones on the East Coast raise security concerns that government officials are yet to clarify. Congressman Grothman joins the debate, criticizing the government's nonchalance and pushing for transparency. Turning to legislative matters, the show navigates the complex terrain of the National Defense Authorization Act, revealing both strengths and weaknesses from a bipartisan perspective. Insights from political insiders offer a glimpse into the expected shifts with the upcoming congressional leadership and call for revisiting social policies rooted in the Great Society era. Also covered is the crucial decision in the UK to ban puberty blockers for minors—a stride towards prioritizing child safety over experimental procedures. Family Research Council's Dr. Jennifer Bowens elaborates on the potential implications of these international decisions on US policies, urging a balanced approach towards gender-related healthcare.
SPEAKER 01 :
from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
SPEAKER 10 :
I've been on the Armed Services Committee. I've been on the Intelligence Committee now for 10 years. And we haven't gotten adequate answers from the Biden administration either. I can tell you the answers that you're not getting in public are the same answers that we're not getting in private.
SPEAKER 04 :
That was Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton on Fox News seeking answers like so many others about the mystery drones flying over the East Coast. Welcome to Washington Watch. I'm Tony Perkins, your host. Thanks for tuning in. Coming up on this Thursday edition, Wisconsin Congressman Glenn Grothman will join us to provide the latest updates on the mystery drones. And he'll give us a wrap up of the week as Congress prepares to head home for the weekend. And yesterday, the UK issued an indefinite ban on puberty blockers for teens, citing the significant risk for children and young people. FRC's Dr. Jennifer Bowens will be here with details on this decision and its potential implications for US policy. Some say he's handing them out like candy, commutations.
SPEAKER 06 :
More broadly speaking, as we move forward to the next couple of weeks, he obviously is going to review with his team about other clemency decisions, and they're taking additional steps.
SPEAKER 04 :
That was White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre responding to questions about President Biden's record-breaking day of commutations and pardons. Meanwhile, some Democrats are calling on the president to issue a blanket pardon for illegal immigrants. Can he do this? Jeff Clark, senior fellow and director of litigation at the Center for Renewing America, will join me to discuss. And we've seen how Republican state attorneys general have played an indispensable role in pushing back against the Biden administration's far reaching leftist agenda from open borders to school bathroom policies to transgender, transgendering our children. But what role will they play in the incoming Trump administration where they have a strong ally? Louisiana Attorney General Liz Murrell will join me here in studio. She's in Washington and she'll join me. This Christmas season, Family Research Council invites you to join us in shining the light of biblical truth in Washington, DC, across the nation, and literally around the world. During these challenging times, FRC serves as a watchman on the wall, defending faith, family, and freedom. And thanks to a $1.5 million challenge match, every dollar you give between now and December 31st will be doubled, enabling you to have an outsized impact. So here's an opportunity to stand with FRC as a prophetic voice for biblical truth by texting the word light. It's L-I-G-H-T to 67742. 67742, the word light. And together, let's make an eternal impact. Well, the Biden administration continues to insist that the mystery drones that have been spotted over parts of New Jersey, New York and elsewhere are neither a threat to public safety nor national security. While at the same time stating that they still. don't know where they're coming from or who's piloting them. So how can they be so confident that they're not a threat? Joining me now to discuss this, Congressman Glenn Grothman, who serves on three House committees, including the Oversight and Accountability Committee. He represents the 6th Congressional District of Wisconsin. Congressman Grothman, welcome back to the program. Always good to see you.
SPEAKER 15 :
to be on the program. I wish we were taking a topic that I had more hard answers about, but let's dive into it and see what we know and don't know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I mean, everybody's talking about it. I even talked to the House Speaker about it this morning, and he hadn't gotten any information. So what's going on here?
SPEAKER 15 :
We have had staff meetings with Homeland Security, the FBI, the FAA, the Department of Defense, the Department of Energy, any agency you can think. And nobody will give you an answer. All they will say is they don't think it's a threat. and they'll say there's nothing here that would merit ever shooting one of these things down so you have perhaps hundreds certainly more than a hundred of these drone-like things and they won't even concede their drones that some of them may have a person in it apparently they say they're the size of an suv and it's been going on for three weeks And all the plethora of agencies, of three-letter agencies involved in this, their attitude is it's no big deal. It's not a threat. They won't say they're American. They won't say they're foreign. They won't say, are they a threat to, well, I assume they believe they're not a threat to other aircraft in the area. But it's very frustrating that this many government agencies and the state agencies in New Jersey are to some degree involved in this, and nobody knows anything. I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself here, but I'm afraid it's just one more thing. We've got to wait for President Trump to get in there and clean up. Because we should know.
SPEAKER 04 :
We should. And I've said this before as we've been covering this throughout the week, is if they don't know where these are coming from and who's piloting them, then how do they know they're not a risk? But if they don't know this, either they're incompetent in that all of the technology we have, we cannot find out who and where these things, who's flying them, where they're coming from. Or the second option is it's actually our government doing something and they're just not wanting to tell us. Or they know something and they're not telling us. So it's either deception or they're just incompetent.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And if it is our government test flying these things, then why would it be that? Why would you test fly them over populated areas in which they could crash, in which I would assume they could run into a helicopter, an airplane or something or other? And why would you be doing it over what now is up to a three-week period? so it's very frustrating and um we had a private briefing a while back we've now had briefings with staff um representing just about every congressional um committee you can imagine and no matter who goes before them they say i don't know i don't know we don't think it's a threat but We don't know what it is. So how can you even tell whether or not it's a threat? As you mentioned, we don't know what it is. It just is, I think, a problem with the government. Yeah, it just is so bad. It's beyond belief. None of these agencies will say, hey, you know, this is it. Here's a picture of it up close here. We're going to shoot down one of these things unless something. You know, they bring them down, whatever they could announce that tonight, right? Tomorrow we're going to be shooting these things down. That'd clear them up quick. It's like the Keystone Cops. Right. And contempt for the American public. I mean, I would certainly want to know what's going on there in New Jersey. Total contempt from Congress because so many Congress, including myself, members of Congress, have asked questions of these folks and they refuse to answer questions on this or almost anything else.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, considering how the Biden administration handled the Chinese spy balloon, You know, I'm not surprised by anything. It just seems the doors are open. Of course, the southern border is open for invasion, so why not the east coast to drones? I'm sure if we look, the people in charge of this are diverse. True. Let me ask you this final question on this topic. Is there some expectation that next week when you return, you know, before we get to the Christmas break and Congress adjourns, that we'll have some answers?
SPEAKER 15 :
I would be surprised. It seems like they're beyond embarrassment. I mean, if you work for any one of these agencies and you were listening to this and all the news media are asking questions about this and all they can say is, after three weeks of this, I don't know, I don't know. I mean, they look like complete fools. On the other hand, the complete fools today, it hasn't caused them to say anything. I guess it comes down to the degree to which I think the national media keeps this story going, which they should, and see whether there's any shame in them whatsoever. And they tell us what they are. Because how could you not know what they are right now? Yeah. Biggest NSUV flying all over the place, 100 miles an hour. Wouldn't you by now know?
SPEAKER 04 :
If we don't know, we have a serious flaw in our defense system in terms of allowing something this size to fly across our eastern coast border.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, this is why we don't like government doing anything except for our defense, where we have no choice but to lean on the government. But it's just further evidence that the government can't get anything right. And the utter contempt for all these appointees of the Biden administration for the public, right? They don't care. We don't care if we look like fools. We're not going to tell the people what these SUV-sized things are flying over their house. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you mentioned the national defense. So let's switch gears for here, switch gears for just a moment. Yesterday, the National Defense Authorization Act passed the House with bipartisan support. There were some good things in it. There were some not so good things in it. There were some bad things in it. But all in all, it had broad support. Your thoughts?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I mean, you kind of have to vote for it because we've got to keep the defense going. And it'd be worse if we had more Democrats voting for it, because it may. I think we're doing a bad job right now. I think we're buying stuff that in this era of missiles, this era of drones... It seems like we're preparing for the last war. And by the last war, I mean even World War II. I continue to be disappointed. They build these big aircraft carriers. Nobody can tell me in this day and age that against a real... China, Russia, even North Korea, that these big, relatively stationary military platforms are not exceptionally vulnerable. So I plan on voting for it, but I'm very disappointed in the military, somewhat disappointed in the committees that came up with this product. And that we continue to spend huge amounts of money on relatively static platforms. And our country is more vulnerable all the time to things like an attack on our electric grid. I think Congress has done not really as good a job as they should have done. But I know, you know, these... Ships and other things are are made in congressman's districts. And some people feel that, you know, bringing home the bacon is, I guess. Well, like I said, I would write a different bill if I was writing the bill.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, let's talk about going into the 119th Congress, as you made reference to President Donald Trump, President-elect Donald Trump. Do you have expectations that we're going to see significant changes in actually addressing some of these issues with Republicans having a working majority in the Senate, not having the 60 to breach that 60 vote threshold and having very slim margin in the House, but nonetheless having the House, the Senate and the White House? Do you have high expectations?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, it's got to be high expectations because this may be the last time as a country we get all three. And you're right on a lot of bills because we don't have 60 votes. We won't be able to pass them. But through reconciliation, we can do a lot of good things. The question is whether we will. Me, on a personal level, I think the country really has never... recovered fully from the Great Society in the 60s in which the government may be giving $15,000, $20,000, $30,000 to a young mother to make sure she's not getting married. And we've gone from about a 5% rate of Americans born without a mother and father at home to over 40%. So we've really devastated the American family by what Lyndon Johnson did. I think it's time for the Republicans to take a whack at that figure and try to encourage more two-parent families. That's what I'm going to be looking for over the next few months. I wish more Republicans would make that a priority. I wish our conservative and Christian press would make it more of a priority to get rid of these programs that are basically keeping the men out of the
SPEAKER 04 :
Men out of the family. Right. Well, you get more of what you pay for. And that's what we've been paying for. And guess what? We get more of it. We'll join you in that effort, Congressman Grothman. Thanks so much for joining us today. Always great to see you. And if I don't see you before, have a very Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 14 :
Lovely to see you.
SPEAKER 04 :
And he's absolutely right. We need to go back and look at these policies. Hopefully the Department of Government Efficiency will look at them because we've spent over a trillion dollars on the so-called war on poverty. And guess what we've gotten? More poverty. All right, after the break, I'll discuss some good news coming out of the UK. Stay tuned. Dr. Jennifer Bowens joins me here in studio.
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SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it is good news. This is really good news, and it comes on the heels of country after country banning these, what's broadly referred to as gender-affirming care. There's nothing really wonderful about it, so we shouldn't use the word care because it's nothing about care.
SPEAKER 04 :
So lay out exactly what was announced yesterday.
SPEAKER 07 :
So yesterday, their version of, like, NIH or Health and Human Services said we are banning puberty blockers specifically. And earlier I mentioned gender-affirming care. So this is one aspect of gender-affirming care. It's what you would give to a child who has what's called precocious puberty in a – in a sense where they actually need these drugs. We're talking about banning drugs that are not needed by children because they're normal. There's nothing unhealthy about these kids. And so we're intervening where there's no health problem.
SPEAKER 04 :
And we're doing so in such a way that puts the children at risk, according to what these health experts have said in the UK.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. So the health experts, they determined that basically the risks are not worth the benefits. And what they outlined for us is that, one, what I just said, that the risks are not worth the benefits. But they also said something interesting in that they really have not given attention or care to those who want to stop puberty blockers and what that effect has on a child or those who want to reverse the effect of these puberty blockers. And that's also a very interesting thing because we're told in our country that these drugs have no negative effect and that puberty is completely reversible. And all is well if you just decide that you want to stop this. And here, the UK's... scientific review is showing, no, that's not the case. And you haven't even paid attention to this. You're allowing children to go on these puberty blockers and very harmful drugs without attention to these basic things.
SPEAKER 04 :
So, Dr. Bowles, it appears as we look at what is coming out of the UK and other countries, actually, as well, compared to the United States, they're citing a lack of evidence to support these... Interventions, experimental interventions. And the United States is just that the movement here is just kind of ignoring the evidence.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And I think one thing that's very interesting just in this whole conversation, and I haven't heard a lot of people talk about this. But, you know, as a researcher, it's pretty mind-blowing the fact that we have something that's a psychological intervention that's aimed at treating dysphoria. And here, you know, with puberty blockers, we don't have any idea how that affects the psychology of a child who is suddenly halted from having a normal puberty. Right. Puberty is a time when you're supposed to not only understand more about your body, but how that interacts with the world around you. So sociologically, relationally, you're supposed to kind of grapple with that as your body is changing. So now we have this external intervention through a drug that's given to a child and it's unnecessary. So we don't have any research that shows what's the impact of that. And that's a primary question that should be asked.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's one of the points related to that that they brought up in the UK was that they want to reform their gender services and center around offering holistic support for patients and their families. So when I look at that holistic, that's body, mind, and soul. That's dealing with the emotions. That's dealing with the psychological implications of what may have led to this change. But here in the United States, preceding what we have now with 26 states that have banned this or have restricted the use of these experimental drugs, we had some states that have banned counseling. So you lock these kids in and you don't allow the parents to get the help that the child needs, the child to get the help they need in dealing with the underlying psychosis that's driving this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And so there's just in that we know that there's a real ideological push to get these kids to go down the path of of transgender ism. Yeah. And we know some of the cases that are coming out that these kids were coming into some of the gender clinics with all kinds of preexisting issues and traumas. And they weren't offered a single session or a proper evaluation. They were just told, you know, this is a good path for you.
SPEAKER 04 :
So do you see this study, we've only got about a minute left, do you see this study having implications for policy here in the United States?
SPEAKER 07 :
I am hopeful that it will have implications for the U.S. because, you know, as as the evidence grows, as people continue to do more and more systematic reviews and they look at the literature and they see the evidence is lacking and then the countries are in their policies are pulling away from these, quote unquote, gender affirming care. I think we're going to see pressure put on the U.S. to to follow suit.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, let's hope that is the case. Dr. Jennifer Bowen, it's always great to see you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Good to be with you, Tony.
SPEAKER 04 :
Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 07 :
Merry Christmas to you, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
I couldn't tell it was Christmas, just the other red and green. All right. All right. After the break, I'll discuss some ideas that President Biden might be considering to preemptively just go ahead and give a blanket pardon to illegal immigrants prior to Donald Trump taking office. How realistic is this? Stay tuned to find out. It begins here and here and here every day. Before you stand, you need solid ground. Standing in a culture that wants you to surrender the truth won't work unless you have a firm foundation. At Family Research Council, we have that firm foundation and you can find us standing. We stand for the value of all human life. We stand for the right of families to flourish. And every day we stand for your freedom to believe and to live out those beliefs both at home and abroad. We work with government officials, educating them on the issues from a biblical worldview. And when necessary, we hold them accountable. We equip Christians across America to be informed and to take action in their communities. With our daily radio program, television appearances, and vast online presence, we reach people where they are. We envision an America where all human life is valued, families flourish, and religious liberty thrives. And that won't be realized if we're not standing. Stand for faith. Stand for family. Stand for freedom. Stand with us at FRC.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Good to have you with us. Well, earlier today, President Biden announced that he is commuting the sentences of close to 1,500 individuals who were placed on home confinement during the COVID-19 pandemic. And he is also pardoning 39 individuals who were convicted of nonviolent crimes. Now, together, these actions represent the largest single-day grant of clemency in modern history. And he's not done. There's more to come. And one of the questions being asked is whether he will give ear to Democrats who are encouraging him to issue a blanket pardon for illegal immigrants before he leaves office or perhaps take another action to preempt President-elect Trump's mass deportation plan. Joining me now to discuss this, Jeff Clark, former Acting Assistant Attorney General of the DOJ Civil Division, and now Senior Fellow and Director of Litigation at the Center for Renewing America. Jeff, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thanks for having me, Tony. Good to be here.
SPEAKER 04 :
So let me start with this. How serious is this idea of a blanket pardon for illegal immigrants? Don't you at least have to name them?
SPEAKER 14 :
I think that Biden is putting this out as a trial balloon to see how it goes. And I don't think it's going so well, but he might do it anyway. I mean, I fully expect that he's going to be pardoning more questionable individuals like the the sex criminal and a Chinese suspicious individual like he did today, I think he's going to be pardoning large swaths of his own family before he's done and leaves office, just like he pardoned Hunter Biden. But on this one, I do have to say, look, as much of a conservative legal scholar and practitioner as I am, I think that the President has to be shown plenary pardon power, and that's what the Supreme Court has said. The only case I really know of where the Supreme Court has ever limited the pardon power is in a way that's actually not really a limitation. It's the idea that the President can't actually force someone to take a pardon, and that has consequences in terms of whether they're a Fifth Amendment privileges that continue to attack. So if someone says, look, I don't want the pardon, I'm going to stay and I'm going to stay silent. You can't force me to testify. Maybe somebody does that because they don't want to implicate a relative or a friend or business associate or something, then that can't be jammed down on them. But that's not really a limitation. It's more like just what is the consequence of how one accepts a pardon. But we've in the past had pardons that applied to classes of people. So after the Civil War, we had a class of people who were pardoned. We had pardons for folks who had participated in rebellions under George Washington that were in broad terms. I do think that this one feels very different, and it feels very different because it's It really is just a finger in the eye of Congress and prior presidents who passed immigration laws. It's just saying, we don't care about that. We don't like these laws. And therefore, we're going to just lift the consequences of them. It's very much like the DACA program for dreamers where Obama just created a program that Congress never authorized to let them stay here. But look, what I think we can do is we can vehemently criticize pardons like this. And if that pardon for illegal aliens takes place, there should be screaming to the high heaven as against the Biden administration and the Democrats, Tony.
SPEAKER 04 :
So, Jeff, you made reference to the pardons that were issued after the Civil War that were given to former Confederate soldiers and others that laid down their arms, no longer combatants. These are folks that, you know, we don't even know how many are here. We don't know how many, we don't know who they are. We don't know their name. They're not here legally. They're not American citizens. This would be unique. What would this look like if President Biden were to do this?
SPEAKER 14 :
It would create an administrative mess, which is, I think, what you're getting at, Tony, right? You'd have to be someone who was here at the time of the pardon. It wouldn't have prospective effect or continuing effect. And so if someone got apprehended and they said, hey, look, I got pardoned. You can't bring criminal charges against me under U.S. law. that person would have to show they were here illegally at the time Biden pardoned them, right? And maybe they can't show that. That I don't think would invade a presidential pardon power, but it would create a logistical nightmare for the immigration courts and then the federal courts that sit in judicial review of those administrative courts.
SPEAKER 04 :
But, okay, so they were pardoned for the crime that they committed by coming into the country illegally, right? But if they're still here and they don't have a green card, they don't have any, they're not taking any action to become a legal citizen. I mean, can they stay in that status forever?
SPEAKER 14 :
That's a very good point. I mean, certainly if you get a pardon for a crime, but it is a continuing crime, then at the point you continue it after the time that you've gotten a pardon, you're engaged in new unlawful conduct. And that would be itself a very unique legal issue to see litigated. If you were smart, you would self-deport right before President Trump took the oath of office, saying, well, they can't come after me later. And if I try to come in through a legal port of entry and apply for citizenship, they can't hold against me that I had previously been here illegally. But I suspect a lot of people will just try to go on as they were before. And if they keep engaging in criminal conduct, I don't think the pardon like that, if it happens, is going to protect them.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. We've just got a minute left, Jeff. But if Biden were to do some of these things, are Trump's hands then tied, his administration unable to undo any of this?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I don't think that stops the president from using civil remedies and the physical remedy of taking them out of the country, ejecting them. So that remedy Biden can't take off the table. It would just be the criminal consequences of their violations of federal immigration law.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you. It is great to be here in the studio with you, Tony.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it's good to have you here in Washington, D.C. In fact, we were on the commute up here this week. We're on the same plane, and you enjoyed all of the normal commuting problems we have coming up here where we got stuck in Charlotte. So let's talk—I want to get into some of the cases in Louisiana that are very interesting, and even President Trump has weighed in on those. But first— You and your Republican colleagues played a key role in containing the Biden administration and their reach. I mean, it was a constant, nonstop. How does that change now?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, certainly we're not going to have to sue the federal government quite as much. I don't think it means that we don't have to sue them at all because a lot of these rules have gone into effect and we still want to block some of the rules that did go into effect that lawsuits may not be pending on yet. So it doesn't mean that that part goes away, but it does mean that we have an ally in the White House who sees the kind of regulatory power and regulatory overreach the way that we do. And so that we can kind of take advantage of that, go in and talk to them about some of the pending lawsuits that we still have that are open and see about how we can settle those and close those out and what that looks like. You know, it may be settling cases. It may be repealing rules that are in place. It might be, you know, slowing down compliance deadlines and then engaging in a withdraw, repeal and replace process through rulemaking. We don't anticipate that the need to litigate and defend those actions is going to be any less great than the need for us to sue on the rules that we challenged in the first place.
SPEAKER 04 :
So you will actually play a role in helping the Trump White House deal with some of the cleanup that's necessary for the agencies that are still operating under the rules left behind.
SPEAKER 08 :
We will. A hundred percent we will. And, you know, I think I've spent some time already working with my team to identify, go back and look at all of the open cases that we have. We had a lot of lawsuits on energy policy. We have one of the largest, one of the large coalitions that sued on the Title IX rules.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
So there are a lot of things that we want to sit down and talk to them about and see, you know, what can we do, how fast, how quickly can we do it. Some of those actions are going to be more complicated and take a longer time than others, but we want to do everything we can to help them be as successful as possible.
SPEAKER 04 :
The positive steps that the Trump administration takes to advance good policy is now going to be challenged probably by some of the Democratic attorneys general across the country. But the Republicans will play a role in that as well, will they not?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, we will, and we've kind of been through this drill once before. The Democrat attorney generals will do the same thing that we did when President Trump was president before, and they will generally file the lawsuits, and then we will come in as interveners in a lot of those cases and help defend the rules and explain why why the new action is necessary and appropriate.
SPEAKER 04 :
So it's not going to slow down?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it's not going to slow down at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
But we may see more victories in playing a little more offense than defense.
SPEAKER 08 :
Look, there's no, I mean, there is no doubt that we are much better off now with having a friend in the White House, that there's someone that we can talk to. I believe that the policies of this administration are going to, by nature, they're going to revert to being more friendly and respectful of state sovereignty. The Biden administration absolutely was not. I mean, they wanted to remove power from the states, concentrate power. Even in the oil and gas sort of zone, they would like to concentrate more power in bigger oil companies and take it away from small businesses. All of that is destructive to democracy. So I think that, you know, we've got an administration that believes that democracy will survive in part by preserving the structure of our Constitution that respects 50 states that all have the ability to make different policy for their own people.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. I didn't tell you I was going to ask this question, but you're good. You can think on your feet. Before becoming attorney general, you're solicitor general, and you argued many cases in Louisiana. And you took one of the cases all the way to the Supreme Court. Five.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the one that I want to— Actually, about nine.
SPEAKER 04 :
One I want to focus on because I did the initial legislation that was built upon over the years, and that was the Abortion Clinic Regulation Act. Yes. You took that all the way to the Supreme Court prior to Dobbs. We didn't prevail in that case, but I think that played a role in setting the stage for Dobbs.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah, I agree with you. I mean, you know, I explain it often as, you know, we loaded the bases and Mississippi was able to kind of make the home run. But it takes time in Supreme Court. In the world of Supreme Court litigation, you kind of have, some layups before you actually get the ball in. And so I think that is by nature. It's by design that they move slowly and incrementally. And when they're reversing precedent like that, it's... It's stepping stones.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is. To get to there. My point, and you have... Louisiana is a pro-life state.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Our laws are pro-life. You're pro-life. We've worked together on a number of things. There's an issue with the current FDA and mithoprestone, the abortion pill, because Louisiana is a pro-life state. We have laws that say that we're going to protect the unborn, but that's being violated by the FDA.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, there's a lot of problems with the way this administration has handled it. It started in COVID. It started when, you know, they took advantage of the, and I would say, you know, the, the pro-abortion organizations like Planned Parenthood took advantage of the opportunity to go in and remove some of the protections that existed, like the REMS protocol that had previously been in place for mifepristone. And, you know, that had a lot of advantages where they recognized that there is an inherent danger in inducing an abortion by the use of these medications. that more than half of them require additional procedures to complete it and that women can become septic, they can hemorrhage and die. And so this movement that has been so aggressive to pretend like those risks don't exist. And then to push those pills out into our states and make them accessible by mail without any relationship with a doctor, you know, it's just, it's very dangerous.
SPEAKER 04 :
And now almost 70% of abortions are being done through the abortion pill. So the FDA is the one that issued that order. What if that order is not reversed and we see that same policy under the Trump administration?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it's still illegal in Louisiana to prescribe those pills. I mean, you can prescribe them for other purposes, but not for the purposes of inducing an abortion. So the FDA can't change that. Our state laws still prevail when it comes to whether or not you can use those and have chemical abortions.
SPEAKER 04 :
But if they're coming across state lines by mail.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it's a different problem that we have to deal with.
SPEAKER 04 :
That is a federal problem.
SPEAKER 08 :
It is, well, it's a crime. I mean, it's a crime in the state of Louisiana.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's a crime, but it's being allowed because of federal policy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and I would expect that new, you know, a new set of U.S. attorneys and a, A new set of people in charge both at the FDA and HHS, but more importantly in the Department of Justice, is going to help us, allow us, and help us in enforcing our laws.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that goes back to the Comstock law at the federal level where these cannot be mailed.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's illegal under federal law too.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. But they're doing it anyway. And the Biden administration has basically said you get a pass. Right. Okay. I want to go to a particular law in Louisiana that you've been, your office has been spearheading to defend. The Ten Commandments in public school classrooms. It's been at the district court. It's now at the Fifth Circuit. You had arguments, I guess, last month at the district level.
SPEAKER 08 :
District court level, that's right, on a preliminary injunction. So still an earlier stage. I mean, for non-lawyers, preliminary injunctions are still an early stage of the litigation, not supposed to be a final judgment on the case. But this judgment looks a lot like a final judgment. I think the judge intended it to be viewed that way. He also intended, I think, to chill any school board from complying with the law, even though only five school boards were actually defendants and therefore only five school boards are subject to the jurisdiction of the court and to his order. But we are on appeal at the Fifth Circuit. We were able to get the case expedited for oral argument, which means that we are going to be arguing it in the Fifth Circuit on January 20th. We've asked the Fifth Circuit to go en banc, so that means we would have the whole complement of active judges on the court ruling on the case instead of just the panel of three because there's some Fifth Circuit precedent that we think only the en banc court can sort out. So if they do that, we'll get a pretty good hearing, I think, from the Fifth Circuit and and the case will be teed up pretty well for the United States Supreme Court.
SPEAKER 04 :
So you believe it'll go all the way to the Supreme Court?
SPEAKER 08 :
I do. I do. One way or the other, it will. I mean, if we win in the Fifth Circuit, then our law goes, I mean, then those, you know, no other school boards are enjoined. All the five that were sued can go, can implement the law as well. And that's not really going to be an outcome that I think the people who sued us can accept. So They will go to the Supreme Court if that happens.
SPEAKER 04 :
And so just so our folks, our viewers and listeners know, this would just, what this requires is a posting of the Ten Commandments. It lays out the size. It's going to be read, readable. There's no government money that's expended in that these are given. So, you know, people are publishing these Ten Commandments to post them in the classroom. And the argument against them is what?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I mean, I don't obviously I don't agree with the argument against it, but the argument against them is that it violates the establishment clause. That the you know, how they get there is where a lot of our fight is, because we think that you can comply with this law and apply this law in a way that that. is constitutional. And that kind of brings us to two cases that the Supreme Court has decided involving posting of the Ten Commandments. And in one, they said it was a violation of the Establishment Clause. And in the other one, they said it wasn't. And the one in which they said it wasn't was a case where it was presented in a historical context, which means that we illustrate the Ten Commandments and how they played a role in the founding of our country.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's pretty hard to deny. that they played a role.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, certainly our legislature overwhelmingly agrees with that, as I do, and I think that, you know, this is an opportunity for us to be able to put it in, you know, in a poster, a small poster that creates a point for talking, for discussion, for teaching. And so I had a whole press conference with about 15 posters that my staff thought of and we created and we posted them so that we could illustrate to the press and in our briefs, we used them in our briefs to show that there are a lot of ways that you can apply this law and it still be constitutional, which means we should win in a case that's challenging it, saying that there's no possible way to apply it constitutionally.
SPEAKER 04 :
It should be pointed out that The Ten Commandments were in public schools until 1980. And that's when there was a court decision that struck down the posting of the Ten Commandments. So this is not like new. It's just returning to that, which maybe given all of the problems we have in our country, maybe exposing the kids to thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal might not be a bad idea.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and those, you know, commandments are, For us as Christians, they're meaningful to us in a lot of ways. But they also are built into the law of virtually every country, not just ours, but every state, every country.
SPEAKER 04 :
The very Supreme Court in which you are arguing the case.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, the federal law. Well, the Supreme Court has in nine different places. Moses and the tablets are there. And so there's a lot of teaching there. I think, points that are opportunities that arise with this. But, you know, to the question of whether we can just post the Ten Commandments, I mean, we're going to test that precedent.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, we are glad that you're there, Liz. You're doing a great job, and we look forward to tracking this.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you for having me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks for being with us, and Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 08 :
You too.
SPEAKER 04 :
Folks, thanks for joining us today. We're out of time, but I want to encourage you to, once again, look to the encouraging words of the apostle Paul in Ephesians 6, where he says, when you've done everything that you can do, when you've prayed, when you've prepared, and when you've taken your stand, by all means, keep standing.
SPEAKER 01 :
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In this episode of the Best Stocks Now show, we dive deep into the latest market developments with Bill Gunderson and financial analyst Barry Kite. Explore the implications of record-breaking NASDAQ highs and what they mean for tech stocks. We look at Trump's appearance on the trading floor and how political dynamics might be influencing the stock market movements. Dive into the critical evaluations presented on popular indices and what that means for seasoned investors and newcomers alike. Our hosts provide insights into significant ripple effects from economic indicators like the CPI and PPI reports, coupled with a comprehensive analysis of current market valuations. Discover what this means for the future of stock picking as we assess the effects of upcoming rate hikes. With cautionary advice on market dangers and strategic planning, listeners will gain access to cutting-edge financial advice for optimizing their portfolios, Join a riveting discussion around the impact of new technological frontiers on the market, including standout performers like Tesla and Google's AI innovations making headlines. The conversation also touches upon fiscal policy and defense sector forecasts impacting investors' futures. Wrap up the episode by uncovering practical tips for tax-efficiency strategies as the year comes to a close, helping listeners springboard from 2024 into a financially savvy 2025.
SPEAKER 04 :
He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, thestreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
SPEAKER 02 :
And welcome to the Thursday. It's 12-12-24-2024. It's the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunnarsson, president of Gunnarsson Capital Management. I'm here with Barry Kite, chartered financial analyst. And yesterday it was the CPI that gave the market a boost. And today it's the PPI that is weighing on the market a little bit. Right now we have the Dow down 61 points, but at 44,000, that only works out to 14 basis point drop. We're at 44,087 right now. The NASDAQ, which had a huge day yesterday, is down 82 right now. A disappointing report from Adobe, which is a big NASDAQ component. The NASDAQ is down 42 basis points, but it closed above 20,000 yesterday for the first time in its history. A history-making day. The S&P down 17 points right now to 6,067. Meanwhile, the small caps are about even. They're down 15 basis points now. And we do have a move up in interest rates here today after that PPI report. We're up to 4.30. That's the highest we've seen in a while here. And last but not least, Bitcoin is up 1,900 to 1,612. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. After a record-breaking day in the NASDAQ yesterday, Closing above 20,000 for the first time in its history. Now, I remember it got up to 5,000 clear back in the year 2000. In March of 2000, it got up to 5,300. And then it went down 70 to 79, 80%. It finally landed at about $1,500 or so, and now here we are at $20,000, some 24 years later in an all-time high. We're going to go into the valuations on the NASDAQ here in a minute, however. You might need a little oxygen when we get to that part of the show. Okay. Kind of up there. Yes, it is up there. Not as high as it was in 2000. But it's up there. Google had a huge day yesterday. Tesla hit a new all-time high yesterday. The Dow was down, however, yesterday as UnitedHealthcare continues to be a drag on. The big Dow Jones Industrial Average, but that record in the NASDAQ yesterday.
SPEAKER 01 :
Speaking of the New York Stock Exchange, I saw Trump ring the bell. Yeah. They had a ceremony at the New York Stock Exchange. We know in his first presidency, he kept his eye on the Dow pretty closely. Yeah. Pretty important.
SPEAKER 02 :
A healthy Dow is good for your favorability ratings. He's coming in, though, at a very lofty level. that's a big concern. And, yeah, I did hear that he was going to ring the bell here. Did he get a cheer and applause?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I think afterwards he's on the floor walking around shaking hands. I think Ty must have named him as something, maybe Man of the Year, I don't know. I think he was, yeah. He had a little press conference before that. before going upstairs to ring the bell. But, you know, you got to sign the book. I think that book's been around for like a century or more. So pretty neat. George Washington's in there, I think, going back. I'm sure Dow is in there. Yes, absolutely. Probably in there a couple of times.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes. Okay, monster rally yesterday. Google all of a sudden has new life. It's had three. It has more good news today. First, it was the Willow chip, which is an AI chip, okay, and it's quantum computing. And then they had the news. On Waymo yesterday, when GM backed out with their cruise, and I saw that Microsoft took an $800 million loss. Yeah, hit on that. So look, everybody has losers from time to time in the market, even Microsoft. $800 million just vanished. That investment that they had with the GM is poof, gone, went to nothing. Okay, Amazon had a big day yesterday. Meta had a monster day yesterday, a breakout. It's interesting to see how these big seven come in and out of favor today. And NVIDIA had a rally yesterday, but it's still struggling. It's still kind of in that sideways trend that it has been in. Now, let's just pause for a moment and look at the NASDAQ valuations right now. They started keeping NASDAQ valuations back in 2016. So now we have eight years of records on the different evaluation levels. There's four different ways to value a company or an index. The most popular, the most common way is price-to-earnings ratio, where you take the price of today's NASDAQ and you divide it by the earnings over the last 12 months to come up with the P-E ratio. Number two, I would say, would be price to cash flow, which is pretty close to P.E. ratio. But cash flow is definitely different because you have to subtract from those earnings.
SPEAKER 01 :
There's non-cash. You've got to take off the non-cash accrual.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, repaying loans, borrowing money. That has nothing to do with earnings, but it does affect cash on the balance sheet. Price to sales is also a very popular measure. And then price to book is still pretty popular, especially when it comes to the financials. So let's begin with price to earnings, 33.2. Well, that's not a good number. 35 has been the top. Since 2015. And remember that COVID year? Early 2021, after the COVID year, it actually got up to about 36 P.E. ratio. From there, we went clear down to 20. That's where the NASDAQ put in a bottom. 20 times earnings was where the NASDAQ was in January of 2023 when we called the bottom. It had come down from 36. now here's the rob were back up to thirty three point two so the top is thirty five thirty six right in there we're not quite there yet but were almost there so there's a huge uh... the risk to reward ratio right now is not in investors favor uh... and uh... i read one uh... society general says this is a stock pickers market and i i i totally agree And I think there's going to be some necessity for some hedging against some of these very high-priced indexes right now. Okay, price to sales, let's go with that. It peaked at 5 in the middle of 2021, 5 times sales. And right now, we're at 4.7. So that's another problem, okay? When the market bottomed out here in the beginning of 2023, it got down to 3. So price to sales has gone way up since then. Now, price to cash flow, it got up to 23, and guess what? We're at 23 again. And you gotta go back to 2021. Now, there's a little bit of difference this time around. What was taking place in 2021? The Fed was on the warpath. They were getting ready to go on the warpath in 2022, actually, when they did the four-rate hikes. This time we're going the opposite way with the Fed. But we still have a very, very lofty price-to-earnings, price-to-cash flow, price-to-sales. Now, last look we'll take is price-to-book value. It's been as high as 7 recently. That's back when the NASDAQ topped. Let's not forget, when these ratios got up to that level in 2021, that was the top of the NASDAQ, and it came down after that. But then again, it was also a help by the big drop was helped by the Fed. We're at 6.8 price to book value. When 7 has been the high, when we started this rally, we were down around 4%. So, you know, you can't get around that. That's math. The math says we're in the upper 10%, maybe even closing in on the upper 5% in these evaluations right now. So you have to definitely take that into account as a headwind. And a caution. That's why I continue to have a yellow. I have an orange flag out on the market right now. Not a red flag. That's reserved for a looming bear market, which I don't see. But we're in a very high danger zone, as the Kenny Loggins song said. We'll be right back. And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Stocks Now show. Well, the issue with the market today seems to be the PPI. And Adobe. I would say Adobe is the other big impact on the market. What did you see in the PPI, Barry? Anything that I should be losing sleep over?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, well, I mean, it certainly came in. The CPI basically came in in line, pretty much almost exactly in line report. And PPI certainly came in a little hot, I think. That's certainly part of the market today, but also on the flip side of that, first thing is really the initial jobless claims actually. unexpectedly jumped uh to 242 000 oh i missed that well well above that yeah that was uh that was probably right around the ppi report as well which got most of the headline but um you had a 2 221 was expected came in at 242 so a little jump there um of course that's a weekly number we'll see what that looks like but yeah the You know, the trick is there with PPI, as we've explained before, is that's the, you know, producer price index. So if their costs go up to maintain, you know, kind of their margins or earnings, right, they've got to pass those prices, you know, on to us as consumers. And so a lot of times, sometimes the PPI can, you know, eventually fuel future CPI growth. So the fact that it came up and then it came in two-tenths above expected and – So that's not what we want because that's bad for earnings and can be bad for CPI.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, we'll probably still get our 25 basis point under the holiday tree, Christmas tree next week. 98% chance of that at this point, so we'll see. If he doesn't give it to us, he definitely will be the Grinch that stole it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Again, he's been that before.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, I think it was Powell.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, 2018.
SPEAKER 02 :
Christmas Eve, the market just got absolutely slammed. I go, thanks a lot. Bah humbug. Okay, now, another thing we have working in the market right now, we've had one heck of a rally since the election. And Robinhood says that trading volume rose 16% in November. Well, I'm a witness to it here. You know, as I see every day, I see the trading in the market and breakouts. We had all kinds of breakouts. The number of A-plus and B-plus stocks swelled. to levels I haven't seen in years. And now it's starting to calm down. So that's another dynamic taking place in the market. I would say about 80% of the charts that I look at, and that's a big sampling. You know, that's 1,000. We're still at around 1,000. Yeah, I had to go to my eye doctor and get a stronger prescription. Another quarter of a point, Barry. As the market goes up, my vision goes down. I still have very good vision.
SPEAKER 01 :
You've got more breath to take a look at in terms of more children.
SPEAKER 02 :
But I do need a little help, you know, looking at the computer screen these days. You need a bigger screen. So now you've got 80% of those charts are tracing out number three. If you see my newsletter, I look at technical analysis in a very simple way. One, two, three, four. That's it. Okay. Sideways is one. Up is two. Sideways is three. Only that three is at the top after an uptrend. That's where we're at. And then four, which is not the fun one, is a downtrend. So anyways, 80% of the stocks in the market are cooling off after that big uptrend since the Trump rally. And so that's also something to take into account. Now, just when it looked like a lot of these tech stocks were going to roll over, from those number threes, because once you're in that number three topping out trend, you can break out and go on to new highs again. It could be just a pause. And we've had six pauses this year in the market, and every time the market has broken out to new highs. But this time we've got a very, very high extreme valuation that we have to deal with. You know, I mean, look, the market over time has not traded at these levels. It usually backs off once we get this. Could be different this time. But numbers are numbers, averages are averages, and math is math, so you have to keep that in mind right now. Now, having said that, yesterday we had quite a few stocks that actually broke out. Meta broke out to a new high. Google had a massive breakout to a new high. But still, the vast majority of stocks, about 80%, are leveling off, and a leveling off mode so i've been drawing i've been busy uh drawing tops that's that ceiling you know you just look at where that ceiling is it's pretty easy to see usually and i've been drawing bottoms there where there's support so a sideways trend is not you know just single it's Back and forth, back and forth. It's tracing out a top and a bottom in a sideways trend. So it's also important to know that bottom part of that trend. If it breaks that trend, which we saw a few, AeroVirement broke its trend. The other one was yesterday, the health care stock that's tied to Oscar. The Oscar broke its trend yesterday. The defense stocks are breaking down. Those are cells from a technical point of view. Now, I take other things into account. Valuation. Is there another level that this stock's going to hit? Uber broke down this past week. So that's kind of where we're at technically. Now, you look at Tesla. There's no topping out in Tesla. Tesla has been zooming ever since Trump got elected. And it passed its closing high yesterday of three years. And it just seems like there's no holding back Tesla with Elon sitting in a catbird seat next to Trump watching his rockets fire off in Texas. And that's the main table down in Mar-a-Lago. That's a good place to be if you're a CEO, right?
SPEAKER 01 :
I saw where his net worth, I think, topped the first one to top over $400 billion.
SPEAKER 02 :
Will he be the first trillionaire? Well, I live to see him being a trillionaire. I think so. It's possible the way he's going. Okay, now, Google has more good news today. Google launches Gemini 2. All right, so that is now heating up the rivalry. Google has been pretty far behind in artificial intelligence.
SPEAKER 01 :
They've been getting disrupted. And now the last two stories that you mentioned yesterday, it's kind of in my head. I'm like, man, they're fighting back and trying to be the disruptor again.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, just when you thought Google was dead, Alphabet, it's breaking out. It had a massive breakout on Tuesday with the quantum computing news and the fact that they lost a big competitor in Cruise. With the RoboTaxi, you know, they obviously are Waymo, which is probably the biggest player out there right now in RoboTaxi, Tesla number two. And I would say Amazon has also become a player. But anyways, the news today, Alphabet is out with their latest version of Gemini, and it's doing a lot better. I think Alphabet's got quite a few catalysts going for it right now. We'll be right back. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services, call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show.
SPEAKER 07 :
And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Docs Now show. NVIDIA and Adobe are under pressure today. I don't see really anything that stands out here on the
SPEAKER 02 :
upside the nuclear stocks are having a decent day today now the defense stocks which we've been talking about one of the weakest sectors in the market here's a new wrinkle european nato members said to weigh a three percent defense spending target right now they have it at two percent so if nato all those countries in nato raise their spending to three percent of their uh i think it's of their gdp or of their budget something like that that could be a boost for these defense stocks may be cheap i just looked at three raytheon lockheed martin and one other one and They all look like they're really cheap and they're starting to bottom out here. I don't think defense needs ever go away, Barry, even if you have a president that's more dovish than hawkish. You've got drones flying over Pennsylvania right now that we don't even know who they are. Can't we fly a little F-35 up there to check it out, huh?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I mean, it's one of these things where you almost have to keep allocating dollars to it, right? You don't want to get behind in the arms race, right? And so, unfortunately, you've got to keep directing dollars towards it. It's a long-duration play, right? I mean, things they're designing now are going to be things that are out 15 years from now. a lot of times. And so it's a tough space to, you know, there's certainly some fat to trim there. But as we've kind of talked about a lot of times is, you know, fiat currencies, you know, whether we like it or not, are backed by armies and missiles and planes. And Part of the reason the U.S. dollar does have the standing that it does is certainly the military investment in good folks that protect us. It kind of plays into it, right?
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, now here's one for the Doge boys, all right? In October, the government had a $257 billion shortfall. Which, obviously, if you annualize that, that's $3 trillion. That's the first month of the fiscal year for the U.S. government. Wait a minute. Wait until you hear November. $367 billion. Annualize that, Barry. Now you're up around $4.5 to $5 trillion. That's what we're on track for. Let's call it $4.5, $4.5 trillion more that we will spend than we will take in.
SPEAKER 01 :
So is that planned spending, or is that something at the end of the road? That's everything. At the end of the road. That's everything. But is this something that they're spending more at the very end? Hey, we're about to get out of office. Let's have a free-for-all.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, let's have a party. Let's have a spending party. I think that's a record, $367 billion in one month. Well, imagine a company, I mean, take it down to the millions, right? I mean, a company spending that much more than they take in. That's why we've got some people from private enterprise that are going to take a look at this. That's up 17%. Okay, if you go back to November of last year, This loss, this spending is up 17%. Has the population increased by 17% since last year, Barry? I don't think so. It's insanity. Well, let's mine more Bitcoin or something. DEI setback. The NASDAQ was going to require... companies to write a letter as to why you know you don't have more diversity in your company on your boards and I see they back down from that that was that had a lot of companies really nervous about having to do that but the nasdaq board diversity rules are struck down by the appeals court so it wasn't the nasdaq that struck it down it was the appeals court and i think the appeals court ruled properly saying the nasdaq doesn't have the power to do that okay the nasdaq cannot come along and say hey you can't list your company here unless you meet these requirements from dei so anyways there's been some big hits to dei here There's a big IPO today, Service Titan. I'm going to add that to the app tomorrow. Well, yeah, because you can't do it today. It hasn't opened yet. We're still waiting for the open. But this is a pretty big one. It's going to come out at $71 per share, but we don't know where it's going to open. It could open a lot higher than that. It's a software platform that powers trades online. businesses, the trades. And so we'll see. That's one of the biggest IPOs that we've had in a while. And as I said, Microsoft just wrote off. They didn't have a stop loss on their cruise investment, right? I mean, Cruz went from a value of whatever to zero, just like that. There's no defense against that. Red Bull may have won the 2024 Energy Drink Belt. Now, that guy is wealthy. Where is he from? He's from Belgium or Switzerland or something like that. He had an idea. He called it Red Bull. It's a multi-billion dollar company. It's not publicly traded, however. But it fended off challenges from Monster and Celsius. Those are the two main contenders with some wannabes out there also.
SPEAKER 01 :
It's Mitesic, right? I don't know his first name. It's Mitesic, I think.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. Check out where he's Switzerland, Belgium.
SPEAKER 01 :
He's Austria. I think Austria.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, I was pretty close. But he is definitely one of the richest guys in the world on the Red Bull drink. Adobe, we've got to mention here. We mentioned our winners. We mentioned our losers. Adobe is down right now. I'm kind of surprised it's down this much. But listen, here's another thing we have going on. When valuations are this high, you get more volatility, much more volatility. And stocks that miss... are going to be treated a lot worse than normal because of the PE ratio of the NASDAQ being up at 35 right now. Now, Adobe is right back at where this all began. Adobe went on a run. It broke out. We added it to our ultra-growth portfolio. We've owned it in the past. It seems to disappoint more often than not. I think I've learned my lesson on Adobe this time. It's now below where we bought it. It's down 13%. It is one of the major horses in the NASDAQ. I want to say that the hockey stadium in San Jose is the Adobe Arena. I remember going there. We watched a game. We watched the game. San Jose Sharks played the Calgary Flames there. But anyways, you know, look, this happens. At least we're not writing off an $800 million that went to nothing, okay? Now, okay, I evaluate these things. I don't do anything panicky, you know. I wait and see. I see it sitting on long-term support. Let's see where the new numbers come in. It didn't seem like they lowered their guidance by that much. But with the market being this expensive right now, that's what you get, a big reaction to it. And so, you know, I mean, the same goes with Uber. Uber has pulled back to its long-term support line. Adobe's not going out of business. Uber's not going out of business. But they may be dead money for some time. So that's all of the things that you have to weigh. And you're going to see a lot of selling on stocks between now and the end of the year. People need some losses, Barry, to offset all of the gains that they have over the last couple of years. And that's another thing, you know, you don't really want to take your big gains right now. You're better off waiting two or three weeks until the turn of the fiscal year, which pushes off the capital gains taxes, which come due. There's no getting around that. Unless you're in an IRA, then it doesn't matter. But you want to push off the tax man as far as you can. Okay, so Adobe is one of our losers today. Last I looked, it was down 13%. We're down about 10% or something like that where we bought it, and it's time to reevaluate and reassess. Okay, let's see what else we got here going on in the market. Adobe, then we've got ETFs, not a new record as inflows cross. One trillion came into the ETF. The ETF industry is now $10.6 trillion. Personally, I'm not a big fan of ETFs. I agree with SockGen, which is saying stock pickers will be the best investment strategy in 2025. I totally agree with that. We'll be right back.
SPEAKER 08 :
White bird in a golden cage on a winter's day.
SPEAKER 02 :
And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Docs Now show with just a little over two weeks left in 2024. Wow. Where did the time go? Let's take a look and see what I like to look underneath the surface here today. The market's actually improving a little bit since we started this morning, but it's always fun to have a look inside the market, see what's moving. Let's look at the Dow 30 right now, which has seen some changes to it this year. Intel's gone. What's the other one? Walgreens is gone. That's been a while. And one other one was kicked out. Sherwin-Williams is in. It was Dow Chemical, wasn't it? Yeah, Dow Chemical. NVIDIA is in and Amazon. Those three are in. There's still a few that could be kicked out as far as I'm concerned. Disney, for one. I would rather see Netflix in there. Caterpillar is down. Yeah, you've been pushing for that one for a while. That's not a bad tradeoff. Nobody's listening. No. Well, Netflix is way bigger than... than disney they just don't have a theme park they need to they need to create a theme park up next to dollywood or something now in the dow coca-cola up 1.6 merc up 1.5 in fact i'd rather see lily than merc uh and i'd rather see a resta networks than cisco cisco's up 1.3 microsoft continues to break out i don't know if anybody's been noticing that That's not bad for the third largest company. In fact, it may be passing NVIDIA here. It's at $3.38 trillion. Yes, now it's back in second place because NVIDIA is $3.36 trillion.
SPEAKER 01 :
We just got $800 billion lighter, too, whenever they rode off the cruise.
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Yes, they lost almost a billion dollars off their market cap. And it does. It just goes poof. It comes off their balance sheet. It would be on their balance sheet as equity holdings, you know, just like a family has a balance sheet. You have your home. You've got your IRA account. You might have a stock account. Okay, maybe you own a bunch of stock in one company. If that company goes to zero, your equity just went down. Apple is now at 3.74, so it's way ahead right now. It's pulled ahead of the other two. Apple was in a sideways funk for nine months about that. It's had a little rise here recently. NVIDIA has fallen back a little bit. And Microsoft has now taken over second place. NVIDIA is back to its support line today. It had a good day yesterday. It just can't get out of its way. I wonder if they're worried about competition coming along for NVIDIA now that Google has a chip, Amazon has an AI chip. I don't know if they're going to chip away at NVIDIA's market share, but NVIDIA stock has really cooled off and just in that sideways kind of trend right now. Now, if we look at the S&P 500 today, we see on the downside... is pretty is that there's not a much moving either adobe is the biggest loser in the s&p now usually we're saying we have the biggest winner in the s&p today we have the biggest loser in the s&p you know it's an overall position of five percent in a portfolio okay of uh... twenty stocks around twenty stocks so it's not it doesn't hurt you too bad And it's an investment, right? It's not a trade, but we will reevaluate it and see if there's something better to replace it with. Nucor's down. The steel stocks are down today. Not much else there on the downside. On the upside, the biggest winner, Warner Brothers. I read that they're consolidating down to like two companies. That's been a horrible stock. You know, they own MSNBC, and they own all of these legacy cable channels. Their ratings have just been cut in half. So Warner Brothers has issues. But it is up 13% today. They're going to streamline and break it down into two. And the stock is actually breaking out today. It's up 13%. But Warner Brothers has lost money one, two, three, four years in a row they've lost money. Another big winner today, MetLife Insurance Company. Intel's up 2.8. Nothing too exciting there. And our last index, the most exciting index for me, is the NASDAQ. Let's see. Adobe's the biggest loser. Broadcom is down 2.7. That whole chip sector is very soft right now. The only one that's got any kind of momentum is Marvell Technology.
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Yeah, and volume-wise, I mean, if you look at some of the volume charts, it's certainly been a little lighter. We're in the Christmas, December kind of season, so sometimes we get some of the softness, and really there's no momentum in anything sometimes because of volume when you look at it from a seasonal standpoint.
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Well, I would say this from a seasonal standpoint, too. This is a good time to have a review of your portfolio because you might be able to take advantage of some. You've got between now, you've got 19 days to sell stocks that are underwater. And, you know, you can only write off 3,000 last time. You can write off 3,000 in losses, and then you carry it forward.
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But you'll probably have plenty of gains over the last two years to offset any losses that you have. So you likely wouldn't end up with a carry forward just because 23 and 24 stack those two years together, and it creates long-term cap gains. Yeah.
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And once that is posted, you can listen to the show via the streaming services such as iTunes and Spotify. And we search for truth and clarity on the show by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it's not compassionate to take other people's stuff. So it's not compassionate for Mike Johnston and the city of Denver to take money from the taxpayers of Denver and then give it to people that have come here illegally. That's not compassionate. That's theft. So compassion never has force around it. I think that's an important thing to remember. But the PBIs that want to take your money and control things, they will do this under the guise of altruism or being compassionate. And just remember, if something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it. And so it's not compassionate to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, or lives. And force could be a weapon, but it's policy, unpredictable, and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum's agenda, which goes right into the globalist elite's agenda, the United Nations' agenda. We're seeing it play out with the Colorado State Legislature, the Colorado governor's the world health organization land use codes which all of this is connected zoning regulations forced fees conservation easements um all all of those things and they're all connected and they're all we're at a tipping point on all this and so we've got to take a stand on it and so many of you are so thank you And on the show, we focus on the issues, not the personalities. We will talk about the people-pushing issues and give you the facts as we best know them, but we're trying to stay out of all the throwing words back and forth with each other. Our word of the day is onerous, and it is spelled O-N-E-R-O-U-S, and it could be involving, imposing, or constituting a burden or troublesome. Or number two, having legal obligations that outweigh the advantages. So I was looking at the headlines and one of them, their headlines, I got so many of them, is that the Denver sidewalk tax is going to kick in. And so that seems like that's public property. Everybody walks on those sidewalks. And of course, when they talk about walkable cities, I just think this is a real problem. And think about if you live on a corner. And this is a way to take more and more of your property. You're already paying property taxes. So this tax, I think, is an onerous tax. And again, that is O-N-E-R-O-U-S. And you should be able to use that in a sentence today. Our word of the day, excuse me, our quote of the day, I went to Milton Friedman. and he was born in 1912 died in 2006 he was an american economist and statistician who received the 1976 nobel memorial prize in economic sciences for his research on consumption analysis monetary history and theory and the complexity of stabilization policy It says, with George Stigler, Friedman was among the intellectual leaders of the Chicago School of Economics and Neoclassical School of Economic Thought associated with the work of the faculty of the University of Chicago that rejected Keynesianism in favor of monetarism until the mid-1970s when it turned to new classical macroeconomics heavily based on the concept of rational expectations. And we're going to be talking with Bob Boswell, who is the CEO of Laramie Energy, as our featured guest in this hour. And we're going to be talking about all of these regulations that are so onerous on our oil and gas industry. And so I was looking for regulations quotes and Milton Friedman came up. So this is what he said. Corruption is government intrusion into market efficiencies in the form of regulations. So, again, that is Milton Friedman. this day in history i pulled several different things and i think it's important that we look back at history and realize that there were human beings doing things important things throughout the centuries and that we're all connected but this uh this first one in 1822 mexico is officially recognized as an independent nation by the united states Then in 1874, Hawaiian King David Kalakua is the first king to visit the U.S. as guest of Ulysses S. Grant at the first U.S. state dinner in the White House. In 1901, Marconi sends the first transatlantic radio signal from Poldu in Cornwall to Newfoundland, Canada. 1911, Delhi replaces Calcutta as the capital of India. And in 1946, Tide laundry detergent was introduced. And then Trent Luce, we talked a little bit about this yesterday, that this day in history, Trent said, was that the Rockefellers, John D. Rockefeller, had contributed or donated six blocks in manhattan to the united nations and in 1946 on this day they accepted it i kind of forgot about this and i i had not realized this 1963 frank sinatra jr is returned by kidnappers after his father paid the 240 000 in ransom that was demanded And then in 2000, this is pretty historical. The U.S. Supreme Court releases its 5-4 decision in Bush versus Gore, settling the recount dispute in Florida's 2000 presidential election in George W. Bush's favor and thus handing him the presidency over Al Gore. Just imagine. Oh, my gosh. Al Gore. had been president, this whole agenda would have been started much earlier. Well, although the Bushes ended up, I think, being globalists as well. But then several other things. 2014, the UN climate change talks in Peru continue past scheduled time as negotiations continue to stall. And then in 2015, COP 21, the Climate Change Summit in Paris, reaches a deal between 195 countries to limit the rise in global average temperature to less than 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels. And what we're learning as we're doing these podcasts for a climate conversation and some of these scientists that are speaking honestly because they have completed their career, they have tenure, whatever. One of them, now I can't remember which one of it it says, is the whole climate change agenda is a communist agenda. overtake of the Western world. That's the ultimate goal on that. And so do check out A Climate Conversation, the documentary. It'll give you great talking points as you are with friends and family during this Christmas holiday season, because we need to be able to have conversations about this and speak truth into it. And so really a lot of great information. And you can check that out at aclimateconversation.com. So we have all that going on in 2014, 2015. In 2020, Chinese leader Xi Jinping says the country will reduce its carbon intensity by 65% by 2030. But we know that he's just kidding because they are building coal-fired power plants over there at a clipping rate. And then in 2020, UN chief Antonio Guterres urges the world leaders to declare a climate emergency to avoid catastrophic global warming on the fifth anniversary of the Paris Climate Accord. And so they're all in this thing together. And wow. OK, so let's see. Next thing. And one of our listeners, the text line is 720-605-0647. One of our listeners texted this to me early. They said they'd just seen this. It's a sad story on Channel 31 of a woman's body found outside of Lyons. And the murder was a male that had four Spanish names in a row. Didn't mention whether or not he was here legally or not. But it would be nice to find out about that. And this is really tragic. I pulled up the article, and this is from the Daily Camera. And... it says a family members DS so a man was arrested I guess it was last Friday so we're just getting this here this was posted December 6th okay this was a little while ago so the story has not been hitting the headlines as much here so this is from the Daily Camera said a man was arrested Friday after the Boulder County Sheriff's Office and coroner's office used in it doing it DNA to identify human remains found in September on Blue Mountain Road northwest of Lyons, according to a press release. A family member's DNA was used to identify Gaudi Garcia Pina, 37, a Venezuelan citizen who had been residing in Denver, according to the press release. Police said Pina was reported missing from Denver on July 15th. andres eloy martinez perez thirty one was arrested on suspicion of first-degree murder and domestic violence and was booked into the boulder county jail perez and pina were in a relationship at the time of her disappearance according to the release It says the Boulder County Sheriff's Office received a call about human remains found on Blue Mountain Road on September 24. An investigator said they found a missing person report from the Denver Police Department that appeared to be a potential match for the victim in the case. It says the decomposition of the remains created a complication in the case, however, according to the release. And it says the coroner received this DNA from a family member as part of the investigation. So stay tuned on this. It will be interesting to see the immigration status on actually both of them. And we have these important discussions because of our sponsors. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Several things to mention. Yesterday we had rebroadcast an interview that we did with Colonel Bill Rutledge regarding John Heisman, of whom the Heisman Trophy is awarded. And that award will be awarded in New York on Saturday. And Travis Hunter, a CU player that plays both offense and defense, is one of the three finalists. And he is also a frontrunner. So this is very exciting. And so we did run that rebroadcast yesterday about John Heisman because there's always things historical around all this. It's important to understand all that. Next thing today, we anticipate that we will send out an email regarding this food scarcity and low quality of food at Fort Carson. This is unconscionable what is happening there. And Pam Long brought this to our attention. And she will be our featured guest in the second hour. And she actually went through and did all the research with all the contact information for us to reach out with instructions on what to say to a number of our elected representatives and also some of the head people down at Fort Carson. So expect that email. We normally only send one email a week, and that is on Sundays that highlights our upcoming guests and our essays. But I said to Zach, I said, I think this is really important that we let this be a standalone. So we hope to get that out later today. And then Josh Lowenstein brought this to our attention, and he was on earlier this week. And this is a... land designation for the Canadian links. And it would be nearly 7,700 square miles of West Central and Southwestern Colorado, as well as a number of other states. This is a huge land grab. And the Biden administration on its way out the door is doing things that are really hurting the American people. One of those is this assault upon property rights, and also to reduce access to public lands for grazing, agriculture, resource development, recreation. Ultimately, this agenda, the 30 by 30, is to return the land to the national habitat. which ultimately they do not want to have any humans on using that land whatsoever. And if you think that's crazy, remember COVID, where here in Colorado, right here, my little park down the street, they put yellow police tape around or crime scene tape around the playground equipment so that kids cannot play on the playground equipment at the park during COVID. So you can just take that example and think what that's going to mean for our public lands. And also, as Josh said, this would affect private property as well. And so we need to stay on top of that. Let's see. I mentioned the soldiers. OK, next thing. This is from Axios, Denver. It said these Colorado cities are signaling support for Trump's mass deportations. And we have had an invasion of our country. by people that we don't know who they are, what their agenda is. And then we have borrowed from our children in this massive debt and also higher and higher taxation on each and every one of us. This is unconscionable what happened. So we've got to get this turned around. And Axios reports, it says leaders in Aurora, Castle Rock and Colorado Springs are committing to comply with what President-elect Trump has called the largest deportation operation in American history. At this point, Colorado law prohibits local police from working with federal immigration agents, setting up a conflict between state and city policies. Denver's neighbors sharply diverge from the capital city, where Mayor Mike Johnston has vowed to resist Trump's deportation efforts. And this defiance has drawn threats from Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, who warned that the mayor could be jailed for his position. Says this month, the town council in Castle Rock unanimously passed a measure to comply and assist with federal immigration enforcement under Trump's plan. My comment on this is those that are here illegally will know which of these towns will be cooperating under Trump's plan. And I would think that illegals will probably go to other towns and cities. So then it goes on in Aurora where Trump has planned to start his immigration crackdown. Mike Coffin told CBS4 this month he wants statewide restrictions lifted so the city can cooperate with immigration and customs enforcement officials on mass deportations. So I do hope that he stands strong with Trump, but good for him to get rid of this terrible legislation as well. It goes on to say in Colorado Springs, the city council recently passed a second resolution reaffirming its status as a non-sanctuary city. And then earlier this year, El Paso County, where Colorado Springs is the county seat, joined Douglas, Albert, Garfield, Mesa, and Rio Blanco counties in suing the state. And it says the lawsuit challenges two state laws that restrict local governments from aiding federal immigration authorities. And Stephen Miller, who's Trump's incoming deputy chief of staff for policy, recently revealed more details about the administration's immigration plan. It includes a massive increase in ICE officers and a historic increase in border agents to carry out deportations, Miller said. And next week, we're going to have Chris Harris on, who is a former border agent who's been watching all of... what's been happening happening down in San Diego. And so stay tuned. I'll be excited to hear what he has to say about that. Let's see. The next headline is this is from Denver seven says the Colorado voting system password leak investigation concludes that the passwords were unintentionally posted online. And it says this third party investigation by Braid Quinn LLC also determined there was a policy failure and issued seven recommendations to the Colorado Secretary of State's office. And it says the report. by this firm which was hired to conduct the investigation after the Colorado Department of State revealed the lake and leak in late October also found that a series of inadvertent and unforeseen events led to the public disclosure of the bios passwords and this report was issued last Monday and says it was a unique set of circumstances and And then it goes on to say, and this is by the consultant group that was hired by the Secretary of State to investigate the Secretary of State, so just connect all those dots. It says, on an organizational level, the Secretary of State consistently took significant and appropriate measures to protect state information, including the BIOS passwords. And it says, notably, the report determined there was a policy failure in the And then it goes on to say that it was an employee that had put the – when it says partial passwords, it was actually the complete BIOS passwords. So, again, when you're reading these news stories, it's important to understand that. It was the complete BIOS passwords for, I think, 63 of the 64 counties. And the timeframe that they gave to this – organization and these consultants to check whether or not anything nefarious happened. As I've talked to experts, they said that it is impossible to have come to these conclusions in this short period of time. And the other thing that's important to remember is that the Secretary of State's office did not notify the county clerks of this breach of security until it was actually made public in a letter to Congress. that was issued or the information was issued by the Colorado Republican Party. And so you need to we're going to stay tuned on this. I think that there's I think there's a lot more that we need to do on this. And that is why our Colorado 2024 election project is so important. Step one and step two have been funded and the lots firms have been hired to for both step one and step two. Step one is with the United Sovereign Americans law firm that they have filed a lawsuit, which was filed back in September, based upon credible information that the United Sovereign Americans volunteers had found regarding the 2022 election and that Colorado is not even meeting the minimum standards as set forth by Congress for elections. So that lawsuit is filed and the attorneys are in the back and forth that I'm learning happens in these legal cases. Step two is funded as well. And that was to raise money for half of the attorney's fees with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice and Peter Bernager. And then also the money to run the Titan case. technology systems. And that lawsuit actually was filed on November 1st. And the basis on that is basically that our voter rolls are not clean. So in moving into 2025, we're going to rename the project Reclaim Colorado 2025. And again, this is still somewhat in process. But step three will be to raise money for a lawsuit regarding this BIOS passwords security breach. And the fact that fraudulent ballots got through in Mesa County, we have to wonder, did that happen in other counties? We need to find out because we don't have a country if we do not have free, fair, honest and transparent elections. So we need to find out. And then also there are things that are legal in Colorado, but they're not right regarding our election elections. Well, a variety of things. One of the first when I tell people this and this was passed last Last election season, or excuse me, last legislative season, and it had a Republican co-sponsor on it. And it's like, gosh, guys, you've got to keep your names off of these bad bills. But in that bill, it was election modifications here in Colorado. And Steve Finberg, Senator Finberg, was the main sponsor on that, a Democrat. I think he's out of Boulder now. And I did testify against this. And there wasn't very many people that had their eyes on this particular piece of legislation, but it was like 45 pages long. And when Senator Finberg sat down to present his bill, he said, we're just doing some modifications to our elections. And I'm thinking 45 pages. But one of the things in there is current before this in Colorado, 16 year olds can be pre-registered to vote. which means the minute that they turn eighteen that that will generate a ballot that will go to the address that they gave when they registered to vote this last piece of legislation changed that age to fifteen we should not be having these 15 and 60-year-olds pre-registering to vote because I think that that could be a problem. And so we need to fix many of the things that's happening with all of this. And shedding light on all of this is one of the first things, and we do that every day or every weekday here at the Kim Munson Show. And that happens because of our great sponsors, such as RE-MAX Realtor Karen Levine.
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back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kim munson mon son.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something's a good idea you shouldn't have to force people to do it And as I think all of you know, I dearly love the USMC Memorial Foundation. In my work with my America's Veterans Story show, I've gotten to know so many Marine veterans, so many veterans. And it is so important that we honor and remember and the remodel of the Marine Memorial will will help us do that. And so be sure and help them out this holiday season. Make a contribution and honor our military. You can do that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And we talk regularly about Laramie Energy and the great work that they do and that it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy sources. from oil, gas, coal that helps us fuel our lives and power our hopes and dreams. And these industries are under attack, regulatory attack, legislative attack here in Colorado. And I wanted to talk with Bob Boswell about this because as I'm watching headlines, there's a new carbon management commission that's coming up with different rules. One of our listeners had called in so concerned about that the other day after the show. And so I wanted to talk with Bob about that. Bob, welcome to the show.
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I have a couple of headlines that are of great concern and they're connected, Bob. And this is from Nine News. And it was reported on December 9th. It says Colorado's GDP fell to number 41 in the nation in 2024, a stark contrast from the state's high performance in prior years. It said the 2025 Colorado Business Economic Outlook released shows slowing in nearly every metric of growth. It says from 2008 to 2023, the state ranked number five in the nation for GDP. But now we're at 41. And let's connect this dot. This is from the sum and substance. It says study finds Colorado regulations among the highest in the nation costing jobs. So I think the two are connected, Bob Boswell.
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Well, absolutely. In fact, I might encourage you and your other listeners to look at the new publication presented by the Colorado Chamber of Commerce. It's entitled the Regulation Impact Analysis Report of 2020. of 2024. And the chamber undertook a study, hired four expert economists to look at the state of call and what's happened, particularly in the last four years when the Democrats have had a super majority in both the House and the Senate. There's been over three times growth in the past four years in regulations. Colorado has some 50,000 regulations compared to a national average of 30,000 that directly affect California. industries, jobs, and employment. These past four years, the cost of these increased regulations has been a decline in the economy, as you pointed out. We've had job losses. The The general sector of the professionals, which adds about 30,000 years historically, is down to less than 5,000 currently. Most of the manufacturing, information, construction, pipeline jobs have lost jobs and are on track to lose jobs again this year. And we've gone from personal living standards where we were the third best in the nation to 39th. So all in the wrong direction. We had some 7% increase in regulations this past year compared to 1.3% at the federal level under Joe Biden. So excessive regulation is having effect. a devastating economic impact on the state. And that trend needs to be changed with a more balanced Senate and House so that we can stop this. Yeah, House of Representatives, so we can stop this influx of regulations. It's gotten to a point of being absurd.
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It really has. And Bob, I think you know, I've got a volunteer gig as president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And this is a good time to acknowledge these other board members, because during the legislative session, we take a look at all of the bills that are scheduled for hearing. And then anything that has to do with taxes, your pocketbook, property rights, we will review those and take a stand on them. So I want to mention everybody quick-like. This is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Carl Honecker, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Joseph O'Loughlin, Wendy Warner. marty nielsen ramey johnson and mary jansen these are volunteers that each week during the legislative session take time to review all of this and then we create an email that goes out to all the legislators and the governor regarding those positions but last year bob over 700 pieces of legislation were introduced in colorado And bigger and bigger government means smaller and smaller opportunity for the individual. And so we've got to get this turned around. And one of the ways is to understand what's happening down at the statehouse. And so, again, we'd recommend that people join us. It's only 25 bucks to join the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. But I say all that to say some good stuff did happen during this last election. And it was a nail-biter down in House District 16 in Colorado Springs where the Republican candidate, Rebecca Kelty, defeated a radical activist incumbent by just three votes. And when people think that it doesn't matter if you vote, it does matter if you vote, because this those three votes really help to protect Coloradans from a super majority in both the House and Senate, because if they had it, they could ram through everything they wanted to do. Bob Boswell. So this is huge.
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Well, and that's what they've done in the last four years with the supermajority. So the fact that going forward they will not have that supermajority isn't critical because they won't be able to ram through these additional regulations, a lot of which are focused on the environment, many of which are unnecessary. This study by the Chamber of Commerce also said across the broad spectrum of regulations, not just local, The environment, 45 percent of those regulations are duplicates, resulting in delayed times of getting permits for construction, other projects. I heard a fact the other day that was talking about the Statue of Liberty took something like 48 months to complete. To construct today to get a permit to construct something, the equivalent of the Statue of Liberty would take seven years. So that's what we've done. We've tied our tied ourselves up, hurting our economy, creating poverty and losing jobs because of excessive regulation.
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I ended up during, speaking of regulation, I ended up in a face-to-face debate with Mayor Mike Johnston on that affordable housing tax, which if that would have been approved by, and it was ostensibly for affordable housing, it would have made a Denver sales tax close to 10%. And so one of the questions to me on that was, well, you know, we need to make housing more affordable, how would we do that? And there were different reports out by, I think, the Home Builders Association that 25% to 27% of the cost of a new build goes to regulations, and that's on single-family homes. And on multifamily units, it's 40%. Well, Bob, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if we reduce those regulations, we can make housing more affordable immediately.
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Well, absolutely. And try to put it on the back of the sales tax, which is regressive. 10% would approach California's type of taxing level. And the people that get hurt the most are those that can afford it the least, because that's an incremental tax on food and other elements that are necessary for everyday life. It's not necessarily luxury goods or anything else. So That was an exceptionally bad idea. This mayor is a huge disappointment to me living in the city of Denver. And it's time we get a change where we get mayors that really understand the economy and are just not politicians.
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Well, that's why these elections are so, so important. But the other thing, though, Bob, is it's so important also to be speaking truth into these issues because the everyday people, I think they're trying to keep it together here. They want to take care of their families, and they want to go to their jobs or build their businesses. And there's so much that comes at them. A lot of it is... I think just it's just confusing, a lot of confusing information there. So that's why it's so important that we try to get through all this and get to the truth on it. And that's why, you know, that's what we try to do every every day here on the show. And and because. This prosperity that we have loved and this property rights and all of this is under assault by this radical activist extreme agenda, which is really playing out right here in Colorado, Bob.
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Absolutely. And yeah, every vote counts. That's why we need to have a balance in our legislative branches. And also, once we have that balance, we need to make sure that under the existing legislation, they can't just pile on more and more regulations. That's been one of the things they've done. I think people hopefully recognize that they're trying to subvert the Tabor Act. which was meant to control the level of taxation to keep new taxes from being put in place unless it had approval of the state. of the electorate, the people, and they're getting around that with what they call enterprise fees. They've issued some 20 enterprise fees to subvert the Tabor Act, and so what's being done by the government is wrong. It's oppressing the economy. It's hurting the lower-income people in this state, and things need to change.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. I'm talking with Bob Boswell. He is the CEO of Laramie Energy and I thank you for your sponsorship. of the show because we have these important discussions. And I've been aghast, I would say, at watching what this Biden-Harris administration is doing on the way out the door. And we recently talked on the show about these billions of dollars that John Podesta in the administration had been bragging about that they were getting over to green or renewable energy jobs. Well, the green in this, what I've determined is the green that's going into all of the cronies' pockets on all this, on these special interests. And I had Daniel Turner with Power of the Future on earlier this week, and he said that one of the things this money is buying is golden parachutes for those that are in the administration so that they will get jobs in these different companies that are getting the money. And, boy, that's a great concern to me, Bob Boswell. Thank you.
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Well, I think you see that in a number of factors. It also shows the duplicitous nature of some of our leaders. The biggest example is Biden saying he would not, you know, not... do anything to release his son from the charges that have been brought against him. And yet he does that. And they're doing this across the board, trying to dole out money before they leave to special interests to curry their favor. And as you pointed out, often results in jobs in the different industries, defense industry, in this case, a lot of the green industries. where they have taken billions of dollars going into renewable projects, many of which we have evidence have not been successful, both on the wind and the solar side. Some have been, and it's a compliment, but it's not a replacement, and we are actually raising the cost of energy to the country as opposed to lowering it through the doubling out of these excessive amount of dollars into these green projects.
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So, Bob Boswell, are you encouraged from what you're seeing or with your ear to the ground regarding the incoming Trump administration?
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Yes, I am. I think the pendulum's swinging, and we're going to go back to hopefully a more moderate, balanced type of legislature, balanced type of approach to the economy. I think Trump very appropriately is coming in, is appointing skilled positions, people who present strong leadership, and hopefully we'll be able to get some of the heirs of the past four years turned around. and headed the nation back in the right direction without the excessive government, not only regulation, but largesse that we're seeing as the Biden administration leaves office.
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Okay. Next thing, Bob Boswell, is the Biden administration or the O'Biden-Harris administration drained our strategic oil reserves. And having those full is really important for our national defense and our security. And with prices down for gas at the gas pump, I would hope that the incoming administration is going to take that opportunity to fill those strategic reserves back up. Have you heard anything with your ear to the ground on that?
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No, I think it's certainly an objective. It's something we need to have in place simply because of what we're seeing that's happening in the Middle East. But I am optimistic that under the Trump administration that some of the various factions in the Middle East will be a reconciliation. They'll be we'll have. But, you know, we'll have strength that will be recognized, and we'll use that strength in a constructive way to hopefully ameliorate some of those contentious issues that we're seeing in the Middle East. So I'm optimistic on that front that we're going to go into more peaceful times, and it's peace through strength.
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So next question, Bob Boswell. It's been rumored that Jared Polis would like to run for president. And when we're talking about these onerous regulations here in Colorado and that our GDP is near the bottom now, He and Mike Johnston, mayor of Denver, I feel that they're running our state into the ground because of this radical activist agenda that they have been pushing. But then you're seeing Jared Polis try to portray himself as more as a centrist. So do you have any thoughts about that?
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Well, I think he sees where the winds are blowing. Governor Polis is a very bright individual, and I think maybe his politics are shifting to more align with what he sees as a centrist movement. Whether he would be a good candidate for president, I would leave that up to the people. But from my vantage point and the history, you may have a – Wolf and sheep's clothing there when it comes to regulations and government, size of the government, things like that. But I think he is moving more towards the middle, but then his term's just about up. So I suspect he'll be running for some office. I think the president is a stretch.
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And so with that, I think this next legislative session will be very telling, because as we watch this legislation with the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, as we watch that, is that whatever is passed by the House and Senate and gets to his desk. He can sign it. He can veto it. Or if he doesn't sign it, but it just sits there after a certain amount of time, it also becomes law. And so I think it'll be really telling on what we see that is proposed. Someone that's very active down at the State House had said that Jared Polis is really the head of the Democrat Party. And so the agenda that we have seen has been his agenda. But I agree with you. I think he's a very bright politician. I think that he has effective handlers that are effective in the messaging. So I think he can, I think we'll see his rhetoric at least move to the middle. But I think it'll be very telling to see what happens this next legislative session, Bob.
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I think that in particular will be telling to see as he goes out how he leaves. You know, the other thing you mentioned, the mayor and mayor. has been a disaster. His position on Sanctuary City is not good for the city. We've got the highest number of illegal immigrants per any sanctuary city in the country. We've got issues associated with housing. We're having taxpayer funds subverted into supporting these illegal immigrants. many of which should be deported just because of criminal backgrounds and things of that nature. So they set us up for a disaster, and he continues to endorse it. And it's just beyond comprehension as to how he could continue with his same type of woke, liberal running of the city.
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Well, and it's unbelievable, really, that these people that have come here, that we don't know who they are and if they're here to hurt us or if they're here for free stuff. It's really unbelievable, and it's very irresponsible. I don't fly very much anymore these days, but I had recently been on an airplane, and of course, American citizens have to show ID, and they want to take your picture, and you have to stand in line and go through TSA. And I'm thinking, how is it that and we have to pay for expensive tickets as well. But how is it that we Americans have to do this? But yet the reports of illegals being flown all over the country without I.D., without knowing who they are. It's it's almost like these radical activists, extremists don't like Americans, but they like everybody else. And we've been seeing that play out in right here in Colorado. Bob, we have about a minute left. What's the final thought you'd like to leave with our listeners?
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Well, I think elections matter. And unfortunately, we've been on a trend in the past several years of liberalization, wokeness, things of that. And I believe in empathy and sympathy for those less fortunate than us. But we can't afford, we need to put America first and take care of ourselves. And we should have immigration, but people need to come in legally. So elections matter. And I think things are starting to move in a positive direction for the American people. We just need to keep pushing the right ideas.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. Bob Boswell, thank you so much. And elections matter. And we're going to be working very hard on elections here in Colorado. So, Bob Boswell, thanks so much. And I'm going to see you later today.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Thanks, Kim.
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We will talk about the people that are pushing these issues, but we want to stay on conversations to really get to truth and clarity on what is happening in our country. And we have a real opportunity with the Donald Trump administration. If we had continued down this O'Biden-Harris path, um uh movement if you will we were we were in a very difficult situation but my friends uh what we're going to see is that radical activist extreme agenda instead of being at the national level it's we're going to see it drill down to our local county and state governments and so that's why we need to be very vigilant and very active in watching what's going on and and i'm I'd like to not quite know what this will look like exactly, but we're going to start Doge, Colorado, which is inspired by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, as they are looking at Doge stands for the Department of Government Efficiency, and they're going to be looking at places where We can have a more efficient government, hopefully a smaller government at the federal level. And we as citizens, we need to incorporate that in Doge, Colorado. And so there's a lot that we need to do. I think we've got an opportunity the next 18 months. It has to be pedal to the metal, my friends. And we've got to be engaged in conversations and helping people understand what is going on. So with that, our word of the day is very appropriate, as we had talked with Bob Boswell about all of these regulations, onerous regulations. So onerous is our word of the day. It's spelled O-N-E-R-O-U-S. And the first definition could be involving, imposing, or constituting a burden, troublesome, such as onerous regulations. Was it 41 or 46 in the nation? Pretty low because we used to be at the top. But as we see these onerous regulations and onerous legislation, what happens is we're now seeing the effect. And so what they say they want to do with this legislation and these regulations and what actually happens are two different things. And so the other thing is the radical activist extremists, they really want to take down our Western way of life, the American idea of limited government, that all men are created equal, with rights from God, of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. They want to take that down. And those people are in positions of power throughout Colorado. And so we've got the next 18 months. We've got a lot of work to do. So your challenge of the number two definition of onerous is having legal obligations that outweigh the advantages. And you should be able to use the word onerous in a sentence today. Milton Friedman is our quote of the day. He's an economist, was born in 1912, died in 2006. And he ended up. He rejected Keynesianism, which is the economic theory of more and more debt and government spending that they believe could stimulate the economy. That's not sustainable. And so Milton Friedman... He talked about monetarism in the mid-'70s, and it turned to new classical macroeconomics heavily based on the concept of rational expectations. And he said this. He said, corruption is government intrusion into market efficiencies in the form of regulations. And, again, that is – Milton Friedman. So some of the headlines that we had talked about is, first of all, the Heisman Trophy will be awarded this Saturday in New York City. And CU Buffalo player Travis Hunter is one of the three finalists. And Colonel Rutledge, 96 years young, a retired United States Air Force, has really been excited about this. And he said he is such an amazing player. He plays both offense and defense. And he is the favorite to win. And so that would be a really big deal for CU. So stay tuned on that. I mentioned the soldiers at Fort Carson. And... Let's see, we talked about, oh, there was one other headline that I'd wanted to get to. And this is what I've realized. The globalists really do not want us to have freedom of mobility. And we talk with Lauren Fix on a regular basis regarding this. They would really like us to be riding around on trains, buses, bicycles, walking. And this is... This is just from Colorado. It says Denver transit costs continue to rise as ridership fails to recover post-COVID. And so what I think we're going to start to see is that there may be more... incentives, if you will, or more force to try to get people to ride these trains. But the trains are dirty and they're dangerous and people really prefer the safety and comfort of their own personal vehicle and are willing to sit in traffic in order to enjoy that. And so you'll see the PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, they want to make it, or they're trying to make it more and more uncomfortable for us to be in our personal vehicles. They want to make it more expensive through higher gas prices. But this is from the Center Square. It says, Denver's transit system continues to face financial challenges, even as it moves forward with expansion programs. According to RTD, the Regional Transportation District, the system maintains a strong near-term outlook. Yet, like many other transits throughout the country, which have seen little recovery in ridership since the COVID-19 pandemic, RTD ridership in 2023 was less than two-thirds of the pre-pandemic level, and that wasn't even that high. And it says, unlike other transits, RTD's ridership has been declining since 2014, when it was 5% higher in 2019. It says in 2021, the transit, which includes buses, rail, and on-demand services, reported 50 million annual boardings. Okay, that is another thing I learned when I was on city council. Boardings is not a round trip. So in essence, probably people are normally having round trips if they're riding the train or buses. And so the real number would probably be half of that. But it's a way that you'll see PBIs that they try to skew the message. It says in 2023, that number had increased to 65 million annual boardings. And so stay tuned. We're going to have to watch what's happening with RTD. And the cost of ridership, your ridership. Your ticket, typically only at that, when I was on city council, only covered maybe 20% of the fare. Everything else was coming from government grants and sales taxes. And as Bob Boswell said in the first hour, sales taxes are regressive because it means the people that can least afford to pay them are the ones that have to pay a larger portion of their money towards sales taxes. And so we're going to have to stay tuned on all of this. And we have amazing sponsors on the show. I know each and every one of them personally. And very, very pleased to be promoting the book Swift Sword.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I did want to mention a couple of things. The Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team can help you probably save money. The way to find out is to give them a call at 303-795-8855 and sit down for a complimentary appointment to go over your coverage. If you bundle things together, you might be able to save money, and it's always nice to save money. And then also the USMC Memorial Foundation is raising money for the remodel and restoration a reboot, I would say, on the Marine Memorial. It was dedicated in 1977. And a great Christmas or Hanukkah gift would be to buy a brick that will be on one of their pathways of service to honor your loved one's military service. You will receive a beautiful gift or a beautiful certificate that you can put on the wall. And it's just a lovely gift. So check that out at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And on the line with me is Pam Long. She's the director of the Children's Health Defense Military Chapter. She's a graduate of West Point. She is an Army veteran, and she served as a medical intelligence officer for NATO Stabilization Forces in the Army Medical Service Corps. She also writes amazing essays that we are honored to publish at the Kim Munson Show. Pam Long, welcome. Good morning, Kim, in Colorado. So I want to get to this essay. And these are always so interesting, the best and the worst of Colorado politics. But before we do that, first of all, thank you for doing the research of all the contact information who we need to reach out to to get this food situation corrected down at Fort Carson. So thank you for doing that. Thank you for sharing it, Kim. And that will go out today in an email. And we need to take action because our young soldiers and this this is hurting our young soldiers, our newest soldiers the most. And we cannot sit by and enjoy be enjoying the holiday season. knowing that our soldiers are not being fed properly. And so we'll have to take action. So that'll be going out later today. Pam, you also sent over a text message, I think it was this week, regarding the CDPHE and firearms. And you called it. So tell our listeners about that.
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Well, if you've been a watchdog for the health department, like I have for the past 10 years, you see patterns and they're very predictable. And I predicted, I think it was last year on your show, that because there was this heavy emphasis during COVID and after COVID for students to be enrolling in online quasi classes, therapy type programs like I matter and healthy kids, Colorado. These are, these are not actually therapy. These are data mining operations. And I think there was a third one that these were traps, right? That these were actually going to work in conjunction with CDP cheese, new quiet programs, office of, I call it the Office of Gun Control. I think the real name is Office of Gun Violence Prevention, that the two programs would eventually merge to restrict people's gun ownership rights under the Second Amendment. And that's, we have a rumor right now from good sources that we will see a bill this session in 2025, and I encourage everyone to engage at the state capitol, to restrict gun ownership from anyone who's ever engaged in therapy, however they define that. I see it coming to fruition this legislative session.
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And I think I saw that it's possibly Kathy Kipp out of northern Colorado that might be sponsoring that legislation. Is that what you've heard as well?
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I won't specifically name the potential bill sponsor, but I will say most of our problems are coming out of Larimer County's elected officials. They buy into all the agendas. And if I could just kind of poke the bear of our Larimer County listeners, you need to be watching the legislation they introduced starting now. Ask them what is coming because the bills are already written.
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And also on the local level, this, Yvonne Paez had shed light on this regarding, and a number of our listeners had reached out about it as well, is Fort Collins and this preferred trash provider. They're saying, well, yes, we can have competition. But what they're saying is the city has chosen who the trash provider will be. And if you don't use that trash provider or if you don't need that trash provider, you still have to pay a fee for that. You can still pay your other trash provider. And so Yvonne had and she's a co-founder of Perspectives 101. She had a town hall on that. People are really concerned about it. But ultimately, I think what's going to happen. with this agenda is it comes out of the globalist elites is they don't want humans to live life and create any trash. And so if you can get to a point where government controls the trash haulers, I think that's the next step. And so if you are work from home and you might produce more trash because you work from home or if you have a larger family which will create more trash. then you might have to pay higher onerous fees for that. Do you think I'm tin-hat or what do you think on that, Pam Long? And if you think I'm tin-hat, it won't hurt my feelings.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, this is exactly the pattern we're seeing. As the president cut, how many of the 700 bills that you reviewed this past session, which is onerous, How many of them were the government interfering in private, you know, local affairs, private businesses and local affairs, trying to create incentives to go with a government program and then sanctions for people who do not go along with the government? I mean, it was a very high percentage of bills. They were either trying government takeover of what should be the private business sector or sanctions. offering these grants and tax cuts for very small interest groups. I would say that covers about 99% of the bills introduced this past session.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and then when we were talking with Bob Boswell to see how this plays out is that Colorado's GDP, I need to get to this. I got too many different things open now. But we used to be in the top regarding all the states' GDP, and we are now near the bottom. But yet we're near the top regarding regulations. My friends, connect the dots. Government isn't there to help you. Government ultimately is going to make things worse for you when they get out of the proper role of government, out of their proper lane, Pam.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right, and how many businesses are no longer wanting to come to Colorado because even with, like the Colorado Sun reported that we offered $1.45 billion for new businesses and incentives, and the uptake was about 5% of that was claimed. Even with incentives now to attract new business because we're losing new businesses, to other states that have a better economy and less regulation, businesses are saying, no thanks, we don't want to come to Colorado. We know exactly what your government is doing to businesses.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, I found the article, and Colorado's GDP fell to number 41 in the nation. The other thing is, again, government incentives are a form of force because it's coercion. And you see these economic development offices in the local, the county, and the state level. And when I was on city council initially, I thought, oh, my gosh, I love the idea of economic development. Well, what I've figured out, though, government economic development means that your PBIs are picking winners and losers, those that have to play by all the rules and those that don't. And then what happens is where we are now in Colorado, number 41. and the nation in 2024. So I tell you what, we're going to go to break early, Pam, because I want to give, you know, full, it's a great segue into your essay, The Best and the Worst of Colorado Politics. And we have these important discussions because of our great sponsors. And another great gift idea would be a gift box of some great cuts of meat from Lavaca Meat Company. And it truly is a premium product. It's the steakhouse experience at home, and it is a lovely gift for friends family, and your employees.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is because of all of these sponsors that our independent voice is on the air. Pam Long is on the line, and she is a regular essayist here at the Kim Munson Show. We greatly appreciate that. She is also the director of the Children's Health Defense Military Chapter, a graduate of West Point, former Army veteran of the Medical Service Corps, and she served as a medical intelligence officer for NATO Stabilization Forces. health force i would say here in colorado and for many years and she always does this great essay at the end of the year the best and the worst of colorado politics 2024 so where shall we start pam long where do you want to start the most important issues to voters this year were homelessness housing costs immigration cost of living taxes crime in the economy And all of these things that people are concerned about has onerous government effects on all of them right now, I think, Pam Long.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, let's just take immigration. I think because we had this entire migrant crisis play out for the ideology and the reality, right? So let's look at Denver. So going into 2024... The Denver Mayor, Mayor Johnston, announced he would spend $45 million for 1,000 migrants to put in shelter and receive services. That is $45,000 per migrant. In comparison, our state is paying about $9,000 to educate our students, but our migrants were given $45,000 in support upon illegal entry into the Denver area. Let's throw out some other figures that are just It's staggering. The Denver mayor committed to $15 million per month for a forecast of $180 million for the year for what he was calling a humanitarian mission and our obligation for shared sacrifice. Let me show you how that shared sacrifice played out for taxpayers. A cut to the fire department by $2.5 million, cut to the police department by $8.5 million, cut to the sheriff's office by $3.8 million. And our health services were overrun. Denver Health reported $135 million in uncompensated care for migrants. UC Health reported $580 million in uncompensated I'm compensated care for migrants and the uninsured from the previous year. And our nonprofits were strained to the max. Aurora nonprofits reported serving 325 families a day at food pantries. Other churches shut down trying to host just makeshift shelters for up to 200 people. Not enough resources or volunteers to make that sustainable and And the Denver Public Schools reported $14 million in shortfall due to the 200 to 300 migrant students added to their school populations after student count and funding. I mean, this Ultimately, Denver spent $120 million, and this complete program failed. It was not compassionate to bring people to a cold climate without resources. And the mayor's office, even by April, was announcing, please leave Denver. We will transport you out of Denver because there's too much suffering and no opportunity here.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's really it's really unconscionable what has happened. And again, it's all because of bad public policy. But what would you say is the best immigration response plan?
SPEAKER 13 :
So the immigration experts at the border near in Texas, they all agree that the states who receive the most migrants had a pull factor. Pull factor is offering free housing, food, shelter, transportation to migrants in Denver and advertise that pull factor. And so communities like Douglas County made a very public resolution to mitigate the pull factor, saying that they passed an ordinance saying that prohibited commercial buses from dropping off passengers in unscheduled locations with a fine of up to $1,000 per incident. And this was a very effective and clever policy, because remember, there's two laws in Colorado from 2019 and 2023 under the Polis administration that prohibit local governments from working with a federal immigration enforcement in detention. So their hands are tied in many ways that needs to be legally challenged. And, I mean, that is complete corruption. So the counties who said we are not sanctuary cities, do not come here, we will enforce our local laws, those counties did not see the crime and the exhaustion of public resources. We're talking Denver cut the DMV services to its taxpayers. It cut parks and rec for its youth. The city, she declared, we are not sanctuary cities. Our citizens come first priority. They are not second-class citizens to migrants. Those are the counties and cities that won in 2024.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and as you're talking about that, those that are pushing policies such as Mike Johnston's, they try to make Americans feel badly when we just want to keep our community safe. We want to keep more of our money to take care of our families. And the analogy of if you're on an airplane, you've got to make sure that your oxygen mask is on properly. correctly, otherwise you can't help people around you. And it's basically like they're trying to take the oxygen mask and give it to everybody else. And that's a real problem. So you've done a great job on shedding light on that. What about homelessness?
SPEAKER 13 :
So before this surge of 40,000 migrants to Denver in 2024, which, by the way, was the largest per capita number of migrants than any other major U.S. city. I guess we can say, look, we tested the limits of alleged humanitarian relief, and it failed. It was completely unsustainable. But before all this, Denver had up to 9,000 homeless people in the prior year, 2023. So Denver created this Denver Basic Income Project to give cash to homeless people. I can't even believe I'm saying this. This is so fiscally irresponsible. The program gave out $6.5 million to 800 people in three different payment strategies, ranging from $50 to $1,000 per month. And now there was a mid-project about six months into this 12-month study, pilot program, whatever you want to call it, indicated a 30% increase in people living in homes. Now, however, we have no idea how this has played out in the This is not a long-term solution. The benefit of this program is completely unmeasured in cost-benefit effectiveness. This program has no restrictions or requirements on how people spend the money. They don't have to spend it on rent. So I would say, you know, The majority of our homeless population have drug and alcohol addictions, which interfere with employment. This program does not address that. It does not give job skills to homeless people. There is no measure of this program that says it's effective or the cost benefit justifies continuing the program.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, but there was a best homelessness policy as well. Who was that?
SPEAKER 13 :
So the research overwhelming – our governor and our elected leaders are not using data and research to make decisions. They're using ideology. Long-term research supports that to build resilience in people, they have to have some form of productivity in society. This is studied in all sorts of populations – homeless, addiction, veterans with PTSD – This is kind of my field in mental health, that purposeful work in society could be as simple as walking your dog or your neighbor's dog. Those are like just doing something that has purpose and meaning. So I found a faith-based program at the Denver Rescue Mission Harvest Farm, which allows men to live in a pure house if they work on a farm and remain sober. Programs like this are effective because they bring in those components of accountability, responsibility, and that eventually lead people who are in crisis to gain the skills to financial independence.
SPEAKER 12 :
And Pam, I really believe that. So Mike Johnson wants to say giving all this stuff away. And that means you can't give something to somebody that you haven't taken away from somebody else first. But he is trying to say that this is a compassionate. I think that the most compassionate thing that one man can give to another is is a job and that's dignity of work and so this program with the denver rescue mission harvest farm the there's dignity in knowing that you are earning something that you will be receiving value in return for and that's capitalism and it's a value for value and there's such dignity in that and i think it's important to drill down on that
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, absolutely. And accountability is the piece, too. Aurora passed a tough love program called the HEART Program, Housing, Employment, Addiction, Recovery, and Teamwork. This is a great concept of blending accountability with compassion. homeless people who you know tend to engage in panhandling and low-level offenses of theft this program once once enrolled the person is put on a probation until they complete the program and then and then the charges are dropped but while they're in this program they are getting help to get back on their feet right they're they're being offered services to get off the streets and job skills and all the programs that are available to them so that they will become productive members of society, which every man and woman wants. No one wants to be homeless. Sometimes we just need to help people access the resources that are available. Handouts are not a long-term strategy.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, they're not. And again, the dignity of work, the dignity of trading value for value is really, it's so important. And Pam, in your essay, you have links to back up all of this information. And again, as we're going into the holiday season, I think it's good that people are informed on these critical issues so that they can engage in thoughtful and reasonable conversations about this. So let's talk about crime.
SPEAKER 13 :
So the worst crime policy is ignoring crime. That is also documented in decades of research, a lot of it coming out of New York City. And the New York Post reported Governor Jerry Polis ignoring crime. And this made national news. And this is an embarrassment to the state of Colorado. We're where the city council members and the mayor of Aurora were reporting to their governor the problems with the Venezuelan gang taking over these apartment buildings. And the governor polis basically said this is their imagination. This is our governor gaslighting the people he was elected to serve. And so what we had is we had video footage, police reports, All of this evidence that it was happening in our governor gaslighting our local leaders in this particular building, Mayor Kaufman said, was funded for migrant housing. Goes right back to another bad policy of, you know, Denver, you know, humanitarian mission, alleged humanitarian mission to house the migrants created a gang running apartment buildings in Aurora, in our state. In America, this is like, I can't even wrap my head around this happened in our state and in our country. And then when the New York Post, you know, asked for a statement from the governor's office, the Post's spokesperson responded to the New York Post saying, well, the governor really hopes that the city council members in charge stop trashing their own city when they are supposed to keep it safe. This is an appalling gaslighting, and there were confirmed Venezuelan gangs in Aurora, migrants who illegally entered into this country, and that is a terrible policy for crime.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and we had Danielle Jurinsky on, who is the Aurora City Councilwoman, who really, I would say, broke this story or broke this issue. And it is unbelievable how this whole thing has played out in Aurora, but it looks like that they're... You know, shedding light on it is important. And I think that we're going to be working forward or moving forward and get this addressed. Trump certainly is. And he's focused on Aurora as Operation Aurora regarding all of this illegal immigration here in America. Pam Long.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. We have a lot to be hopeful and praying for in 2025.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
Thank you. I assume you can hear me. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
We gotcha.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. I just have, I guess, a question for Pam. You know, I'm someone who tries to follow what's going on at the legislature. There's so many bills. And I also live in Larimer County, and I'd like to figure out how best to work with my local legislators, even though we're on different sides of the aisle, and how to keep track of these bills. Like, do I just look them, like right now, before the session starts, how do I find out what they're coming up with?
SPEAKER 12 :
So let me jump in here. First of all, Nancy, I would recommend that you join CUT, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. It's only $25, and we have a team of volunteers that goes through the legislation, and we will rate things regarding things that affect our taxes or our property rights. So that's a really excellent place to start with. And then also you can go to the state legislature website and you can find the bills that are scheduled for hearing for the week. So that's another great way. But I really would recommend people engage with us at the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. So, Pam, your thoughts.
SPEAKER 13 :
I second the Colorado Union taxpayers. I benefit from their information. My hot tip, my insider tip for Nancy would be, so these legislators are writing the bills now in November and December with their special interest groups. And then they pretend in January when they introduced them that there was some stakeholder process where the public was invited to have input as required by our laws in the Administrative Procedure Act, which is clearly not happening on 99% of these bills. So because we know this is happening, We can go to our state representatives and our state senators in December, meet them for coffee, have a phone call, meet them up someplace locally and say, hey, what are your bills? We know they're already drafted. And don't limit yourself to your district representatives and senators. I care about public health. So all those people who keep running these horrible public health bills who are influenced by, you know, $70 million in lobbyists at the Capitol, I go to those people like Kyle Mullica and say, hey, what bills are you running this year? And there are ways to extract that kind of information out of them and put them on the spot and say, look, you might not be my elected representative or senator, but what you do in the people's house affects me and every person in this state. So we will have this conversation.
SPEAKER 12 :
Pam, that's an excellent point. And Nancy, this just made me think about this. When I was on city council, 2012 to 2016, and many of these city councils, they get to a point where they just want a rubber stamp of these agendas. And the study session is where a lot is revealed on the agendas. And so we would get our packet typically, oh, I want to say on Thursday, I think. for a tuesday meeting and so i'd have the weekend to go through the packet and it might be hundreds of pages long and what i finally realized then and and there might be agendas out there that i didn't understand was was going to might be presented because they many times wouldn't let me know because they realized that i wasn't going to rubber stamp stuff and so i finally got to a point where i would meet with the city manager uh, once a week, either phone call or in person. And I'd go through the packet and then I'd say, and what else do I need to know? And so that way, uh, I was able to, if they didn't tell me, and then I was surprised it was, um, not because I hadn't asked. So Pam, what do you think about that strategy as well? When you're talking with your city council, uh, men and women and your county commissioners, it's like, what else do you have up your sleeve?
SPEAKER 13 :
That's just a great strategy. And without saying too much, I have employed that strategy myself where, okay, I'm just going to say it because this is the times we live in. Everyone needs to be equipped. I really care about public health, but then I get wind of someone running a terrible bill on public health that I know they won't talk to me about. So I will go and talk to them about another bill they're running that maybe I support. Maybe it's actually like a good bill about education, let's say. And I say, you know, we have common ground on education. And then I say, well, what else are you running? And you can tell, you can make them squirm that they, you know, maybe they've gotten comfortable with you. Maybe they don't want to tell you about that public health bill they're running. But, you know, now they're chatting. Now they're talking to you and that you're going to pull out the details of the bill they didn't want to talk about.
SPEAKER 12 :
So, Nancy, what do you think? Are those a couple of strategies that can help?
SPEAKER 14 :
I like that. You know, I'm a little late to the plate here with the January starting up down at the legislature, but these are great ideas. And I will, you know, see what I can do to employ them. The other thing I found that's just really helpful, if you can build a relationship with one legislator, you know, they often will then, no matter whether you agree with them all the time or not, but if you can build trust with one, sometimes they'll let you in on some of the other things that are happening. So that's one other tip that maybe worked for me. Yeah. That is a great tip from Nancy. Yeah. I just didn't know if there was a way to see what these proposed bills are without actually meeting with all these people because of time constraints, but we won't know until they're posted. Is that correct?
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
In most cases, yes. Yeah, pretty much. You know, another, and I would say Colorado Union of Taxpayers and then Sue Moore and her group with Liberty Scorecard, between these two organizations, that will keep you really, really informed on what's happening down at the statehouse because there's a bunch of volunteers that do a lot of work for you, so I'd recommend that as well. So, Nancy, thank you. I think we're going to have to recommend that people make sure that they read your essay, Pam Long, because there's a lot more information. Maybe we'll get to a couple more things here. But Eric had wanted, last time you were on, I think that we misspoke, if you will, regarding the space command. I think that we said, I think that you said that... It might go to Arkansas. And Eric wants to make sure that everybody knows that it's Alabama is where it might go.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, thank you for catching that. It is Alabama. I do the 7 a.m. hour, which is, you know, little mistakes like that happen when you're getting up at 6 a.m. And Kim, you get up at what, like 3 a.m.? So thank you. Yes, it's Alabama.
SPEAKER 12 :
I know. I know. So let's see here. This is from one of our listeners. It said there are wake up. There are two purposes, votes and jobs for cronies. I'm not quite sure how that whole thing connected. And then let's see here. Another one. This was regarding Doge. Colorado is to get rid of government economic development organizations. Zero. None. Totally agree with that. And if we could get rid of these government grants at the national level that are going down to local, county, and state government here in Colorado, that would be a great way for us to get our DOGE, our Department of Government Efficiency, really off and running, Pam Long. And we've got about a minute, so your final thought. I know we've thrown out a whole lot for our listeners.
SPEAKER 13 :
Everyone needs to engage like never before at the state capitol. This is, you know, Polis going into the end of his administration. I mean, he could just throw out all sorts of, you know, the super damn majority could do all sorts of last minute, like scorched earth bills against our way of life here. So everyone needs to be involved in January at the capitol.
SPEAKER 12 :
And also, I think local governments, we have got to get engaged there as well. And I know it seems overwhelming, Pam, but everybody just needs to choose one thing, whether or not it would be the state legislature or it's your local government. But if we all choose one thing and we're engaged and informed on that, we can make the difference that we need to. And, Pam, I am convinced that Colorado is at the tip of the spear. This is the place where they are trying to – run the petri dish for all of the bad stuff and so when i say in the show at the beginning that we were made for this time in history we are the patriots of america and i mean we take inspiration from them and we were made for this moment pam long i have no doubt about it that's right colorado let's take back our state that this is our time And yes, we will reclaim Colorado. Pam Long, thank you so much. Be sure and be on the list for our email newsletter so that you can see her essay that we will be publishing in the Sunday newsletter. And then it will be on the website as well. Pam Long, thank you so much. Thank you, Kim. And our quote for the end of this show is from Milton Friedman. And he said this. He said, the essential notion of a capitalist society is voluntary cooperation, voluntary exchange. The essential notion of a socialist society is force. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you're not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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I will fight for the right to live in freedom.
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If Jesus Christ did not resurrect from the dead, then everything He did is meaningless because we would have no guarantee that He’s alive. And we would have no guarantee of eternal life. But the fact He walked out of the grave and was seen by so many is proof positive that Jesus Christ is alive. “After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will also live.” (John 14:19) These are the words of Christ. “And that He was buried and that He rose again the third day according to the Scripture” (1 Cor 15:4). We know that Christ in a resurrected body is alive today and face-to-face with the Father awaiting the shouted order to return for us. We are guaranteed a resurrection body just like Jesus Christ.
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The Resurrection
Transcript of FLOT Line Episode 608 aired on April 23, 2017
Good morning and welcome to the FLOT Line. I'm your host Rick Hughes and for the next few
minutes I would like to ask you to stay with me. We always have a few minutes of motivation,
some inspiration, some education, and we always try to do this without any type of manipulation
which means we don't con people, we’re not hustling you for money. We’re not going to ask you
to join up or fess up or give it up. We’re just going to ask you to listen up, listen to the message.
It's my objective to verify and identify God's plan for your life and it is indeed my hope that if I
can do this, you can orient and adjust to the plan. I mean, that's always up to you. My job is to be
accurate, not to give you some sort of human speculation, but to give you divine revelation from
the Bible, from the Word of God. We just got through with the Easter series, Easter weekend.
What a wonderful time it is to remember the resurrection of our Savior, the anointed Son of God,
Jesus Christ our Lord. Paul had a lot to say about the resurrection. I want to talk to you about the
resurrection
because I was speaking to a friend the other day, we’re fishing buddies. Maybe you
know I like to bass fish and that's kind of my hobby, bass fishing. I love to get on the lake and go
bass fishing. We were fishing and I asked him a question. I said, “Could you tell me how to be a
Christian?” He told me what he thought you had to do to be a Christian. He’s a good guy but he
simply didn't get it right and so it made me think about some things and this is what I want to
talk to you about today. What is the gospel message? What is the good news of Jesus Christ? We
celebrated the resurrection of Christ this weekend, the Easter weekend. We understand how He
went to the cross and bore our sins and let’s listen to what Paul said. Reading out of 1
Corinthians 15 and this is something you may want to pay careful attention to because not only
am I going to speak about the resurrection of Jesus Christ but I'm going to speak about your
resurrection. What will happen for you when you are resurrected? Here's what Paul said,
beginning at 1 Corinthians 15:3.
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I received,”
and
how did he receive this? Well, he got it from God the Holy Spirit and he heard it from other
apostles,
“that which I received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scripture.”
Now
where do the Scriptures say Christ died for our sins? There are two passages in Isaiah that
foretold of the suffering Messiah, Isaiah 53:4 and 6. This is many, many years before Jesus
Christ ever came into this planet as an infant.
“Surely, He
[that's Christ]
has borne our griefs and
carried our sorrows, and yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But He
was wounded for our transgressions
[here's what you’ve probably heard before, He was
wounded for our transgressions],
He was bruised for our iniquities and the chastisement of our
peace was upon Him, and with His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep
[that’s you and me]
have gone astray. We have turned everyone to his own way and the Lord hath laid upon Him
[that's Christ]
the iniquity of us all.
[verse 7]
He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He
opened not His mouth. He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter and as a sheep before her
shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.”
This is a prediction of Jesus Christ on the cross
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and how He handled this. He didn't scream, “Let Me down. You got the wrong guy.” You know,
someone sang a song once, “He could have called 10,000 angels to destroy the world and set
Him free, but He died alone for you and me.” That's exactly what He did. He, Jesus Christ, the
anointed Son of God went to the cross. God's plan was for Him to go to the cross, that’s the
reason why He came to this world, to go to that cross because on that cross,
“He who knew no
sin was made sin.”
He became my sin, I'm the one that should've been there. You're the one that
should've been there. We are the sinners, not Him. In Isaiah 53:8-10 again,
“He was taken from
prison and from judgment and who shall declare His generation? For He was cut off out of the
land of the living, for the transgression of my people was He stricken and He made His grave
with the wicked, and with the rich in His death because He had done no violence, and neither
was there any deceit in His mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him.”
Bruise Him goes all
the way back to Genesis 3:15, the first protoevangelium where it's predicted that Satan would
bruise Christ, but Christ would crush his head.
“It pleased the Lord to bruise Him but He had put
Him to grief when Thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin, and He shall prolong His days
and the pleasure of the Lord shall protect His hand.”
Then in 1 Corinthians 15:3 as I go on Paul
said,
“I delivered unto you first of all that which I received that Christ died for our sins
according to the Scripture.”
I just gave you two passages in Isaiah that talked about this, Isaiah
53:4-6, Isaiah 53:8-10. Now I'm going back to
1 Corinthians 15:4,
“And that He was buried,
and that He rose again the third day according to the Scripture.”
According to what Scripture?
According to Psalm 16:10,
“Thou will not leave my soul in Sheol, neither will Thou permit Thine
Holy One to see corruption.”
We know from understanding the Word of God that when our Lord
Jesus Christ gave up His spirit, when He cried,
Tetelesti,
or
“It is finished,”
when He said these
words,
Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani,
“My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me,”
we know
that He willingly gave up His spirit. His human spirit went to be with the Father. We know that
from this verse, Psalm 16:10. His soul went to Sheol. Sheol is the place of the dead and had two
compartments. It had Abraham's Bosom, which was called Paradise and it had the place of
Torments. We know the Lord did not go to Torments, He went to Abraham's Bosom, the place of
Paradise. He made a victorious proclamation and explained what had happened and took all of
those people to the third heaven that were believers being held in Abraham's Bosom. We know
that His body went into the grave. We know that three days later His body walked out of the
grave and His soul came out of Sheol and reunited with the body. We know that His spirit was
reunited with His soul. We know
He has a body and a soul and a spirit that is alive, alive
today and face-to-face with the Father, awaiting the shouted order to return. Christ is alive.
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:5,
“And He was seen by Peter. Then He was seen by the twelve.”
This is a dead man walking. I'm sure they were just blown away, even though He had told them
He would not stay in the grave. He had told them He would walk out of the grave. Here they are
seeing Him face-to-face and then in 1 Corinthians 15:6,
“After that He was seen of about 500
brethren all at once.”
And Paul said most of these still remain alive.
“Some have died. Most are
still alive.”
And then in 1 Corinthians 15:7,
“And after that He was seen of James and then all
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the apostles and last of all, He was seen by me also, as one who was born out of due time.”
In
verse nine,
“For I am the least of all those apostles. I'm not fit to be called an apostle, because I
persecuted the church of God,”
and he did. He was on his way to Damascus to persecute the
church of God when Christ appeared to him. And he said in 1 Corinthians 15:10,
“But by the
grace of God I am what I am.”
That’s a wonderful verse. You and I can claim this also. We don’t
deserve to go to heaven. We don't deserve to have eternal life. We don't deserve anything, and yet
it is by God's grace, free unmerited favor, He loved us. He loved us before we loved Him. It is by
His grace that we are what we are. We are believers, we are Christians, we have the guarantee of
eternal life.
“And His grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain.”
Paul went on to say,
“I labored more abundantly than all of the others, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with
me and therefore
[verse 11]
whether it were I or they, we preached and you believed.”
That's the
act of becoming a Christian, someone gives the information and someone believes the
information.
“We preached and you believed,”
and then he says in verse 17,
“And if Christ be
not raised, then your faith is vain and you would still be in your sins.”
Yes, He was raised. If He
wasn't raised from the dead, then I don't care what He did, it wouldn't mean anything for us.
That's the point I want to make to you.
If Christ did not resurrect from the dead, then
everything He did is meaningless because we would have no guarantee that He's alive and
no guarantee that we have eternal life.
But the fact that He walked out of the grave and He was
seen by so many is proof positive that Jesus Christ is alive. He is alive in the presence of His
Father right now and it is proof positive that we also will be alive after we die. Now listen as I
read on, 1 Corinthians 15:19,
“If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most
miserable.”
In other words if it's just in this life and not the future life, then we don't have much
to go on. Then in verse 20,
“But now Christ is risen from the dead, and He has become the first
fruits of them that sleep.”
Who are the ones that sleep? The dead in Christ, the ones who are
believers in Christ, the ones in the Old Testament that believed through the sacrifices and
through the Passover and saw the image of Christ and believed. People were saved in the Old
Testament the same way they are saved in the New Testament. You don't understand this? We
look back at the cross. They looked forward to the cross. It was the same cross. They didn't know
His name like we know, but they had all of the sacrifices which were pictures of what was to
come and they believed and they were saved just like you, by faith.
1 Corinthians 15:21-22,
“For since by man
[that's Adam]
came death
by man
[that’s Jesus]
came also the
resurrection from the dead. For as in Adam all die and even so in Christ shall all be made
alive.”
Get ready for this, when you die and you're going to die, don't think you're not, you will,
when you die it’s not over, it is just the beginning.
The amazing thing is we are guaranteed,
promised, provided a resurrection body just like Jesus Christ.
It’s all right here. Here are the
principles you need to understand. One, without the resurrection of Jesus Christ there would be
no hope for those of us who believe in Him. If He didn't resurrect then what do we have going
for us? Yes, He resurrected. Yes, He walked out of the grave. Yes, He's alive today. Yes, He was
seen by many. Yes, they could not kill Him, He is God, He is man. He is the God-man,
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undiminished deity and true humanity and He is in heaven waiting, seated at the right hand of the
Father and interceding for you and for me. The Bible tells us in 1 John that He prays for us. He's
our defense attorney. He intercedes for us. So the first principle, without the resurrection of
Christ there is no hope for those of us who believe in Him. Two, to begin with you know His
own brothers didn't believe in Him, did you know this? In John 7:5 it says,
“For even His own
brothers did not believe in Him.”
In Acts 1:13-14 we see where His half-brothers had in fact
finally accepted the fact that He was the Messiah and it was due to the resurrection. In Acts
1:13-14,
“When they had entered the city, they went to the upper room where they were staying.
That is Peter, and John, and James, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and
Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the brother of James
[this
is not the Judas that betrayed Him].
These all were with one mind and continually devoting
themselves to prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His
brothers.”
There they are, now they believed. Now they know, now He's resurrected. I don't
know how you live your whole life and not know your brother is God. You know, we will
understand this someday, but they didn't believe and Saul likewise. Paul saw the resurrected
Christ on the road to Damascus and this is when he became a believer. It took this unbelievable
incident to convince Paul that Jesus Christ is the anointed Son of God. Here are some principles
to understand. Without the resurrection of Christ there is no hope for those of us who believe in
Him. At the beginning His own brothers didn't believe in Him, John 7:5 and then in Acts 1:13-14
we see where they are believers and they are assembled in the upper room along with the
disciples. Paul likewise saw the resurrected Christ on the road to Damascus where he was
intending to persecute the church. Paul was a persecutor, a killer of Christians. In Acts 9:1 we
have the story. It says,
“Now Saul
[who we will now call Paul, Saul]
still breathing threats and
murder against the disciples of the Lord went to the high priest, asked for letters from him to the
synagogues at Damascus. He said that if he found any one belonging to the way
[those are
people that are believers in Christ]
both men and women, that he might bring them in chains
bound up to Jerusalem
[Acts 9:3]
As he was traveling it happened that he was approaching
Damascus and suddenly
a light from heaven flashed around him and he fell to the ground and he
heard a voice saying, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?’ And he said, ‘Who are You
Lord?’ And the voice said, ‘I am Jesus whom you are persecuting.’”
Saul had an encounter with
Jesus Christ right there. Can you imagine the shock? Can you imagine the amazement from one
moment being a man who was a murderer of those who followed Christ and the next moment
meeting Him on the road to Damascus face-to-face?
“Jesus said, ‘Get up, enter the city of
Damascus, and it will be told you what you must do.’”
Acts 9:7 says,
“The men who traveled
with him stood speechless. They heard the voice but they didn't see Him. And Saul got up from
the ground, and though his eyes were open he could see nothing. They led him by the hand and
brought him into Damascus and he was in Damascus three days without sight, and neither did he
eat nor drink anything.”
What a shock to his [Paul’s] system. What a shock to be blinded by the
glorious image of Jesus Christ. Don't think it wouldn't do it to you too. If you saw Him today in
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His resurrected body and all of His glory, it would do the same thing to us. He is the most
glorious creature of the universe. He is the God-man, Jesus the Christ, the anointed Son and Paul
had this encounter. Such an encounter that it changed his life, changed his life forever and he
became a tremendous apostle. Others saw Christ as well. The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 15:6
that,
“He appeared to more than 500 at one time.”
I already told you this, and here’s another
principle I want to remind you of. The Jewish leaders had devised a plot to deceive the people
into thinking that actually He did not resurrect from the dead but that the disciples stole the body.
That was their way of dealing with this because they knew He was missing also and they didn't
know what to do, so they said, “let’s come up with this plot.” So listen to Matthew 28:12-15,
“And when they had assembled,”
that's the Jewish leaders, the Sadducees, the Pharisees, the
scribes,
“when they had assembled with the elders and consulted together,”
and by the way,
these were the people that our Lord called snakes and vipers, dead men. Outside they looked
really nice and inside they’re full of dead men's bones. They rejected everything He said. They
rejected Him. They hated Him. They devised the plot to kill Him because He threatened their
authority. He threatened their power. He called a spade a spade, looked them in the eye and told
them what losers they were.
“When they,”
the scribes, Pharisees, and the Sadducees,
“had
assembled with the elders and consulted together
[listen here it is]
they gave a large sum of
money to the soldiers,”
Matthew 28:12. Then in verse 13, and here's what they said,
“You are to
say that His disciples came by night and stole His body while we were asleep. And if this should
come to the governor's ear
[in other words if Pilate hears about this]
we will win him over and
keep you out of trouble. And so they took the money and they did as they were instructed and this
is the story that was widely spread among the Jews and still is to this day.”
You know, they had
to come up with something. Where did He go? What happened to the body? You know, there
were a lot of questions being asked around town. There was no CNN, no MSNBC, no Fox News,
but the word got around, the body. I mean this was the biggest event they had seen in years. The
crucifixion of this fellow that called Himself the Messiah and now the body is gone. His body is
gone. He is not around. Can you imagine the rumors and the gossip? And so they devised this
malicious, evil, scheming plan to claim that the disciples actually stole the body. Here's a
question I'd like to ask you. What guarantee do you have that you will be resurrected after you
die? Is there any guarantee for you about this? Should you worry about this? I mean, when you
die is that all there is to it for you? I mean, here you are. You are a believer in Jesus Christ.
You've accepted Him as your Savior. You've joined your local church. You’ve supported your
local church’s ministry. You pray and you've gone on mission trips and you've sung in the choir
and you've been faithful in attendance to whatever programs the church had and when you die
they’re probably going to do your funeral at the church and the pastor's going to tell them what a
great person you were but where will you be when they put you in the grave? I've done a lot of
funerals, I've seen a lot of bodies put in the graves. They’re going to put your body in a grave
someday if they don't cremate you first. And down you’ll go into the grave and where are you?
Are you still in that body? Now remember, you have a body, you're created in the image of God,
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you know this. You have a body and you have a soul, remember this. Your soul has mentality.
Your soul has consciousness, so you will be aware of what's going on. You will be able to think
what's going on. Your soul has volition, you make decisions. You've already made a decision to
believe in Jesus Christ. Then also you have a human spirit. That's where God the Holy Spirit
lives in you. This is what was dead before you accepted Christ, your human spirit was dead and
when you believed in Jesus Christ, you had a spiritual birth. You were, “born again,” not your
body, but your spirit, your dead spirit. You see, when you were born into this world you were
identified with Adam's original sin. That's why it says,
“For by one man sin came into the world,
and death by sin and death passed on all,”
spiritually dead. That's why you had to make a
decision to be born again, to believe in Jesus Christ, to be made alive spiritually. Because the
Bible says if you’re going to worship God, you’re going to have to
“Worship Him in spirit and in
truth.”
Now here you are, now your old body, this wrinkled, decayed, cancer filled, arthritic
body, whatever it is, is put into the grave whether into the ground or cremated. What about you?
Are you aware of all of this? In John 14:19 here's what Jesus said.
This is what we take our
hope and confidence in,
“After a little while the world will no longer see Me but you will see
Me. Because I live, you will also live.”
These are the words of Christ. The fact that He is
alive today is guaranteed proof that we are alive today.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18,
“For the
Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with
the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then those of us that are alive and
remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall
we always be with the Lord. Because of this comfort one another,”
comfort one another. In 1
Corinthians 15:22,
“As in Adam all die, but in Christ all will be made alive.”
Alive, no you
won’t die. Your body will cease to exist. Your body is useless. It won't work in heaven. It's a sin
infected body, it's plagued with sin. You will get a new body, a body like His body, a glorious
body, a resurrection body. The Bible says,
“No more pain, no more tears. The old things will be
all passed away, all things will be new.”
A perfect body, what an amazing thought, it's beyond
our comprehension. How can we even fathom something like this? I mean it's almost as if it was
some sort of science fiction thing but it's not.
It's real. You are going to have a new body, you
are going to have a resurrection body, and you are going to be with Jesus Christ face-to-
face.
Those who left before you that are believers, the members of your family, they are there.
They are alive and they are waiting to see you. Never doubt it, never fear, never worry. We are
going to see what happens in this resurrection body and how there could be a difference in these
bodies in eternity. You stay with me next week, we’ll press on and see a whole lot more about
this. Until then, this is your host Rick Hughes saying thank you. Thank you for listening to the
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SPEAKER 04 :
Pleasure to be back with you.
SPEAKER 15 :
I was reading today, and I know this is going to be our topic anyways, but I was reading today that in California and across the country, the government, whether it's locally or nationally, has spent billions of dollars and yet have very few charge stations installed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. That is true. Are you shocked at that, by the way? No. Do I sound shocked? No, not at all. That the government actually didn't do something efficiently? No. I'm shocked. Shocked that there's gambling going on.
SPEAKER 15 :
And, you know, these mandates. The other thing I was reading today is that, you know, Newsom is really having a hard time now with some of his California, you know, EV mandates. They're backpedaling on some of those things because the reality is, and it's our topic today, the reality is the demand for electric vehicles, shockingly, is not there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. That's absolutely true. I mean, here's the thing. No matter how much the government tries to mandate something or tries to muck up the market, the market's going to do what the market does. And if people don't want to buy something and it doesn't work for the majority of people, they're not going to buy it.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're just not going to. And the market for this has already been saturated. Yeah, really quick, Jay.
SPEAKER 15 :
For those of you listening, as we all know, Jay, there are in every industry and every type of product, there's what we call early adopters that want to go out. They've got the money. They can have the high tech and so on. Or they're curious about that particular technology. Or, you know, in my case where I wanted to learn about them so I could talk intelligently on air about them on the different programs that I have. Right. Bottom line, Jay, is there are those people that will adopt early. And in some cases, I hate to say this, but in some cases may give a false premise of, hey, these things are really taking off and they're going to do well. You probably ought to sit back for a moment and wait and see how that pans out, because there's always this bell curve of early adopters and then things fall off. And guess where we're at, Jay?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it is exactly right, and that's exactly what has happened with the EV market, because what we're seeing is that the initial market for EVs overwhelmingly composed of upper-income liberals. That's who bought the initials. So, California EV registrations overwhelmingly concentrated in the wealthiest episodes. The UC Berkeley study showed that close to half of EVs registered nationally over the last decade were clustered in the top 10% of the most Democratic counties nationally, over a third in the top 5%. And here's the thing. Here's what everybody should be really angry about. Not that those people bought cars. They were all subsidized.
SPEAKER 15 :
I was just going to say, they all got help.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. They got your tax dollars to help wealthy people feel good about themselves that they were saving the environment, which a lot of people don't necessarily do. Right. And you should be really angry that your tax dollars went to rich people, liberal or not, who want to, you know... who want to buy a new car that works for them or that they think works for them and make them feel good about driving around with an electric vehicle.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. No, you are spot on. Things that we've talked about on this program for some time, and I've had conversation after conversation, again, being somebody, Jay, that's owned one since 2020, and I did that early on just so that I could – I really wanted to be able to talk intelligently, you know, as a talk show host and as a conservative and as somebody that has an actual, you know, call in drive radio, we call it an actual call in car show. I wanted to be able to talk intelligently about things which I felt at the time no one on either side of the aisle was doing, you know. The left wasn't doing it well. The right wasn't doing it well. They were both wrong in some of the things that they were talking about with EVs. So I wanted to buy one and actually own it and know, okay, here are the realities of what this is like and what it entails and so on. And I'll say, Jay, that for some people, key word, for some people, they work extremely well. Are they something that 100% of the driving population can own? Absolutely not.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, and I mean, just the reality of it, just logically thinking about it. I mean, I don't know where you live, but for people who have their own home and can have a charger there, can charge overnight, that's really helpful. That really makes that much less burdensome. But let's say you live in an apartment building with a whole bunch of apartments. Not going to work. Everybody has an EV. How is that going to work? It's just impossible. And who is going to be living in apartments? For the most part, people who can't necessarily own their own home. So the poor people, the ones who are subsidizing this through tax dollars, and the people who can own homes and can be subsidized with the cars and the chargers, those are the people that are using the tax dollars. And here's the thing. You said it exactly. It works great for some people. I don't know how many cars you own, but for a lot of people, it's a great second car. For some people, it's their first car.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm a car addict, so more than I need. Let's just say that.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's like one of whatever your collection is.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm an enthusiast. Well, but really, and I've said this many times, and it's not to brag. I just need simple facts of, Jay, I'm a guy that is, of course, further along in life. I've owned multiple businesses over the years in real estate and so on. And I've got my own home with my own garage with... the fact that I'm handy enough to even install my own charge station, so I didn't have to pay the big bucks to actually have that done. I mean, I am sort of one of those owners where everything fits perfectly. I drive roughly 30 miles each way to work, and on and on we go. I mean, at the end of the day, it's about as ideal as it gets, but I'm not the typical car owner.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's true, but you also have other options for when you need something different. Absolutely. And that's why the free market should work for people who want it, and it's whatever, first car, second car, third car, fifteenth car, I don't know. You know, if that works for them, great. People should be free to buy whatever kind of car they want. It shouldn't be the government cramming it down.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, Jay, this includes even, you know, the fleet operators, which, you know, I am one of and so on. I mean, this includes those types of individuals as well. If they feel like for their fleet, it works well and they can. possibly save time and money and so on. At the end of the day, they have to do the math and figure that out on their own, but they should not be either A, incentivized to buy and or forced to.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And here's the thing. When people have a choice, we can see what their choices are. I was traveling over the holidays, so I was talking to a guy at a Hertz rental, and he was telling me, they can't get rid of most of their EVs because people didn't want to rent them. I mean, that just shows you what the market is. You take them, you put them out there, you give people an opportunity to rent them, they choose something else. That just tells you what the demand is.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. No, Oh, and you're exactly right. And on the other side of the Hertz thing, I had the opportunity at the Barrett-Jackson auto auction last year to sit next to some of those same executives, by the way, just ironically, and was asking them a little bit about some of those things. And that was a combination of not only what was in the rental fleet, but they did some big leases to a lot of companies whereby those companies thought, hey, this will be great for us. It'll save us money. Well, fact of the matter is, Jay, it didn't. And as you know, and the rest of the folks out there know Hertz ended up having to take a lot of those back and then figure out what they're going to do with them. And in turn, it costs them a boatload of money.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, exactly. And part of the reason is because repairs on an EV are more expensive than a regular car. Tires. The tires, the batteries, long-term maybe are going to be more expensive. Look, I still have my 94 Celica. It's running fine. I just rebuilt the rack and pinion on it. And it's a 94 Celica. It's a gas engine. I don't have to worry about replacing the battery battery. But not the electric battery on it. And that car will last another 30 or 40 years.
SPEAKER 15 :
You just stated something a moment ago, too, that there's a misconception of. And by the way, one of the biggest complaints that I have had is because most of the folks involved with EVs, whether it be press or even the guy at the dealership selling it. aren't informing people well enough of actually what they're buying. The reality is they are not maintenance-free. There are things that you have to do on them. They do even have fluids and things like that that you still have to monitor, maintain, and take care of. And yes, things still break, and there's accidents and so on. At the end of the day, it's not as rosy red as what everybody says. And Jay, to me, that's where a lot of consumers have done a disservice because the folks selling them aren't trained well enough in even the things you and I are talking about.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's exactly right. And this is why about 46% of EV purchasers said they weren't going to go back to an internal combustion vehicle. I mean, that's just, again, that's what's telling about what this thing is. And look, I understand that there are those in government who have this aspirational idea that we're going to save the planet by everybody buying an electric vehicle. But I'm going to tell you a little secret here, which is the really hardcore environmentalists They don't see electric vehicles as the, you know, the savior of the environment. They see you not driving and having a car as the savior of the environment.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right. You and your car are the things that need to be eliminated, not going to an EV.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's exactly right. Internally, they talk about this all the time. Yeah, EVs are harder for people to get around. Maybe they'll drive less or whatever. But really, the goal is for you not to get in your car. You take public transit, get on a bicycle, walk somewhere, don't consume as much. We hate consumerism. We hate capitalism. You know, we hate the free market. You know, everybody has to be part of the collective. That's right. And that's the way they want everybody to live their lives. Look, they want to live their lives like that and live in a commune. God bless them. Let them go. That's not me, though. Don't tell us that.
SPEAKER 15 :
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 15 :
We are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Mike, you are next. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, John. I, uh... I retired last July, a year ago July, from the post office. So you're one of those liabilities now. Yeah, I am. And they took my machine away. I started out as a clerk sorting the mail on a machine, and then I moved into the maintenance side and worked on the magazine machine that put... that in sequence order and because it didn't work right good enough for them they got rid of it after 10 years so at a million dollars a piece for each machine they trashed all 110 flat sorters wow i am sure and i'm only guessing mike that you can give story after story of some of the waste and inefficiencies that you saw over your career am i correct Oh, yeah. I mean, when I first started there, you had to be a citizen for five years, and you had to speak English. Now we have people coming in here from Africa or the Middle East that are in-country a year, and they put them into supervision.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Is that not a security risk?
SPEAKER 06 :
You would think. I mean, when they had the... what, anthrax?
SPEAKER 16 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 06 :
They put in these big sorters to sniff for anthrax, and the thing about that, even if it picks it up, you won't find out for two hours because it has to be changed out every two hours.
SPEAKER 15 :
I see.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then they'll shut down the plant, and everybody's already been subjected to it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 06 :
I always thought that We should, as a country, just for instance, we'll use me. If I started working today, my Social Security should, 50% would go for my private retirement. Can't touch it until I get to X age. But that way, it would be there and the government couldn't take it. And then, The other one, 25% would be for those like me that are already on it until we all go away.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then 25% would be for... Future. Catastrophic.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I see. Okay. Sure, sure, sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
But that way, the biggest thing is to get it out from under... the thieves in Washington.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. What are your thoughts since you've been in the postal end of things, and this talk has happened, and I know that for the, you know, technically the post office is private, although it's a, it's kind of a quasi-government slash private organization. What if the post office went totally private?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, they'd have to, the problem with that is they don't get rid of the dead weight when that happens. I think it would work really well if you got some people in there that are there to get the mail out. But you have people, I had supervisors that would just go sit in the office for half the night. I worked graveyard. And you wouldn't see them until 4 o'clock when day shift came in.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, dumb question, what were they doing during that time?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, let's see. One was watching a basketball game or a football game, and the other one was... The other two were playing video games.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. So basically proving the point of what Joe and I were talking about earlier.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. It needs a healthy God through. And I feel sorry for the people. My carrier I have, she's only been with the post office eight years. And I feel real sorry for her because I don't know that we'll be around that much longer.
SPEAKER 15 :
Got it. Got it. Yeah, and for those of you listening, I have a great mail carrier. We are, I guess you could say, friends to a large extent. Mike, we'll do something for him for Christmas and so on, and we love our mail carriers, and it's not those guys that I feel animosity towards. It's the folks that you're talking about and just the inefficiencies and the fact that we as taxpayers have to subsidize that thing every single year. It's ridiculous. Shouldn't have to.
SPEAKER 06 :
They can't even keep new hires in the post office they work for especially on the street they work for a week maybe a month maybe two and they just say to hell with it and they leave If you go by any post office, you'll see signs up that says, we're hiring now.
SPEAKER 15 :
You're right. No, you're right. And I've had family members that have worked for the post office, so I know some of what you're talking about from the inside out, like you're saying, and you are not the only one like you that's ever said this. So reality is I've heard this story many times.
SPEAKER 06 :
I've kind of given the post office a nickname. I call it the United States Refugee Employment Service. Because they always, wherever we screw up a war, they bring those people in and put them into the post office. And it's been going on since Korea. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's some things I did not know. I mean, I guess I should have known that, but I've never had anybody directly say that before like you are.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I had people when I was testing couldn't speak English, so they had one of their – buddies who are Vietnamese translating to her, and they didn't kick them out during the test like they're supposed to because they had to translate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Interesting. Wow. I'm learning a lot. Again, Mike, just more proof that that thing needs a revamp, complete revamp.
SPEAKER 06 :
I always said that the post office should have an ad out there that says nobody goes where we go for the price we do anywhere in the world. But they never advertise like that because they don't want to piss off FedEx and UPS and all that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. No, you're right, though. You're correct. Absolutely. I can't argue with that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Mike, I'll let you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, appreciate that. Thank you for the update. Again, every time I talk to somebody that's internal like that, I learn something new. All right, one other thing I want to talk about before we go to Scott Garlis, and we'll do that here in just a few minutes. So hang tight. We'll get to Scott, and he's got some updates for us on what's happening on Wall Street, I should say. So you may have seen the news today, something we've talked about here a few times in the past because I never felt like the Kroger merger with Albertsons. I never felt like it should have had the scrutiny the FTC was giving it. It's ridiculous, actually. And I've talked about that. I've had interviews along those lines. And I'm not really in the grocery world any way, shape, or form, but I felt like that would have been a good merger. Let it go. Move on. Be done with it. Well, Albertsons has now backed out. They are suing Kroger for failing to win approval of their proposed merger. Now, I don't think that suit's going to go anywhere, frankly. And who knows, this merger under Trump might be able to be saved and rectified, and you may still see this happen later in 2025 or maybe even early in 2025. I don't know. I'm not privy to any of that inside knowledge. I would be hard-pressed to believe that Albertsons could win anything over Kroger, given the fact that this isn't Kroger's doing. This is a Joe Biden FTC that made this happen. And FTC, by the way, that has stopped numerous mergers, but yet have allowed some to take place. Sort of whatever they feel like should happen versus shouldn't happen. Not what's best for the consumer. It's more of what do they feel should be happening. And again, in the case of Kroger, we've even got our own stupid AG here in Colorado. And yes, I'll call Phil that. Phil Weiser. Guy's a moron. Tool, basically, has never tried a case in his life, and yet he's the AG of Colorado because enough stupid voters in Colorado voted for that clown. He's another one that got involved and spent Colorado tax dollars fighting this merger. Stupid. Have no business doing it at all. But yet our AG office in Colorado, I guess, just feels like money is endless, and why not spend the taxpayer money on this? He did. He did. and now really at this point, really wasted money because Albertsons has now pulled out because of what nationally the FTC, you know, what the feds did. Again, why we don't have more accountability, this goes back to even the whole post office conversation we just had a moment ago with Mike and then Joe earlier, why we don't have more accountability along these lines is, to where somebody like a Phil Weiser spending Colorado taxpayer dollars fighting something he has no business sticking his nose into, none, and yet did, and spent, I'd have to go look at what the total is, and that I hope would be a public record that we could go and see exactly how much money Phil wasted. on fighting the kroger merger here in colorado i don't know what that answer is maybe one of you out there who have a lot more time on your hands than i do maybe you could find out for me how much money we've wasted as a state fighting this which now literally just, I guess, goes away. We'll end up seeing what happens again under the Trump administration. I would be shocked to not see this get resurrected under Donald Trump. And I think Albertsons, by the way, they're posturing with some of this, I believe. They're probably trying to get a little more value out of this when it's all said and done, maybe. I don't know. I don't know what their their whole slant would be on this and why they're going this direction, because if they were smart, they just sort of kick back, sit back, I should say, wait and see what happens. And most likely under Donald Trump and a new FTC chair, which we will get. you most likely would see all of this go away and that merger would take place. So I think Albertson's number one is being very premature. I don't really know what their angle is here in all of this. I guess time will tell. But I believe, again, wholeheartedly that they're being very premature in this. And again, do I have a dog in the fight in this? No, I don't care one way or the other. I mean, it doesn't matter to me whether they merge or not. I think that typically in the I do know this in the grocery business. We've talked to Joe from Jersey about this many times. Their margins are thin. Anytime they can figure out a way to, you know, tighten things up, consolidate even and get more efficiencies in what they're doing. Yeah, they can actually make that work. And Kroger, being as large as they are, has the ability to help that out and even help some of the Albertsons slash Safeway stores do so. And I think they already had some agreements out there to where they were going to go ahead and take certain stores off and sell them to somebody else and make all that work in regards to the FTC complaints and so on. And I understand all of that. But again, at the end of the day, Albertson's pulling out now because they feel somehow slighted, I guess you could say, on the Kroger end of things. And, again, I think they're very wrong in doing this. They should have just sat back and waited a little bit and figured things out. But they didn't do that. So, at any rate. 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SPEAKER 15 :
All right. That time of the week, Scott Garlis joining us now and his company, Bent Pine Capital. Scott, welcome. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, John, I'm well. How are you?
SPEAKER 15 :
Doing very well. Appreciate you joining us. Hopefully we're not interrupting you. Sorry we got a little bit behind tonight, but I appreciate you joining us. All right, I saw today, and of course the news media gets all hyped up over inflation numbers, which I know you and I have talked about numerous times, and we've even gone into how they manipulate these numbers around and what the actual true numbers are. But explain for those listening, because there's a lot of hype around it today.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so what happened today was annualized CPI data came out. They showed 2.7% growth year over year. Now, that's actually up over the last three months from, geez, I want to say it was like 2.2%, 2.4%. Right. It was 2.4% just a few months ago. So what's really interesting to these numbers, to me anyway, is So the media is really locked into the accelerating growth, but they're not looking at the sort of the forward-looking projections of what these numbers are telling you. We're losing these really easy comparisons from late last year right now, and we're hanging on to these really difficult comparisons from the beginning of 24. But as we start to go out into March, and maybe April, we'll drop those numbers. And all of a sudden what it looks like right now is we could see inflation growth sub 1%, you know, within the next six months.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. So a lot of the hype, and I read some of these stories today, you know, oh, we're really doing our best to try to fight inflation, but it's not working. It's just, you know, it's just this number that just won't come down no matter what we do. And I'm like, oh, there's so many other factors in that. You guys have no idea what you're talking about.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly. It's really a big deal. Yes, it is starting to come down. And look, I think a big part of it, and we've talked about this a bit too, that inflation has proven to be transitory like the Fed originally said it would be. It's just taken longer to get there because, I mean, you know, we threw $2.1 trillion worth of stimulus at the economy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
We did that.
SPEAKER 15 :
We also had, as you know, and they've started to trickle down ever so slightly of late. And I think once Trump gets in office, they'll even come down more. But, you know, oil prices were not, you know, in our favor as far as some of this goes. And any time oil prices are up, so is everything else.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and then think about, you know, Russia has dealt with all these crippling sanctions since 2014 when they took the Crimean Peninsula. If Trump can negotiate some sort of deal between Russia and Ukraine, Russia's not going to take a deal unless all those sanctions go away. True. If that happens, you know, what's Russia's number one export? Oil. Oil. And natural gas.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oil and gas, yeah. Oil and gas.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and not to mention, let's not forget about what... aluminum is another big thing. And so, you know, what's Russia going to do? It's going to try to sell all that stuff on the open market that it can. And that's just going to drive those prices down a bit more and help inflation ease further. Now, I point that out for a couple of reasons. One, you know, there's this big thing like, oh, my God, if Trump goes after China and introduces tariffs, it could drive headline inflation up by 0.6 to 0.9 percent. Well, If inflation's running sub-1% right now... Who cares? Yeah, and we drive it back up by 0.6 to 0.9, it's still below the Fed's 2% target.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 05 :
So that's also important because not only that, but that also tells us, you know, the Fed funds rates around 4.7% right now, I think is the overnight rate.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think that's right, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so... You know, to come back to neutral, which the Fed is talking about, let's say we put this 1% on for Trump tariffs, we're 2%. They can still cut by 270 basis points before they get to neutral.
SPEAKER 15 :
True. Good point.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's a lot of economic growth. And so if I'm an investor... That doesn't mean the Fed's going to immediately cut by 270 basis points, but they have the ability to. So if the economy were to slow down at all, there's tons of room to help it out. If I'm an investor, I like that. Because that means the stock market can keep going for a while.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. And I mean, you know my feelings on that, and I do think they've got room. I think also one of the things the Fed never looks at, but yet we in business, small, medium-sized businesses especially, because we don't get the same deals that the big guys get, borrowing costs, whether it be on equipment, whether it be your line of credit, the reality is they're higher now than they were before. And because of that, and, of course, also the cost of labor is also up, those two things alone create inflation. Those are things that, again, Scott, I just – I mean, I get it. The Fed is the Fed, and these guys think they're smarter than the rest of us. But the reality is they're not because they never look at the things I just said as a part of inflation.
SPEAKER 05 :
So to reaffirm and support exactly what you just said is if you look at the real federal funds rate, which again is overnight borrowing costs minus inflation, and that's where you get that 200 basis points worth of room to cut rates. Well, if we go back and look at that historically, I've run these numbers. If you look at it from 2000 to 2020, sort of pre-pandemic and pre-crazy stimulus numbers, the typical real rate of interest based on CPI was negative 0.3%. That's massively different. And so, again, if you think of the Fed as trying to run interest rates at neutral, and this, I don't want to get too deep in the weeds, but the Fed really looks at PCE, which is personal consumption expenditures. It's a little bit different way to measure inflation. You know, the average... real Fed funds rate based on PCE on that same timeframe was negative 0.3%, so effectively zero. So again, the Fed has a lot of room to cut interest rates, and that's not a great story for CNBC to tell you, but that's what's going on. That's what can happen. Even if Trump does introduce these tariffs and they drive inflation up by 1%, 0.6%, whichever, you know, they still have a lot of room to cut.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. And we talked about this a little bit throughout the week, a little bit yesterday, even, Scott, when it comes to some of the tariffs and so on. And you and I have talked, and I'm a big one on most, not all, but most people that are anti-tariff are globalists. They look at things way different than even... You and I do. They are naysayers when it comes that they would not if they had their way about it, there wouldn't be any terrorists anywhere. And they could care less whether, you know, China runs rip shot over us or not. I know you know me. There is no love lost between me and China whatsoever. They have been a intelligent, you know, a thief. of our intelligence for 50-plus years now, and the reality is they are not our friend. Anything we can do to, in my opinion, cripple them and their economy, go for it. I'll take a little bit higher price here if that's what it means.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, China's out for China. That's right.
SPEAKER 15 :
They don't care about us or our people, any way, shape, or form.
SPEAKER 05 :
They don't. And the President of China, Xi Jinping, he doesn't have to worry about an election every four years. Xi Jinping's there for as long as he wants to be, more or less. And look, China's playing a long game. They're not playing a short game here. If they have one guy in there for 50 years, I doubt he'd be there that long. But he can affect these policies that stay around for a long time. Yes, and taking intellectual property, stealing it from people, and then building products not having spent the money on the R&D, and then going and crushing somebody else's property. That's just not the spirit of business whatsoever.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm here to tell you, Scott, that if we started cracking down on some of the things you and I just said, including even the corporate espionage and so on that China is very good at, if we started cracking down on that and they didn't have the access to the things that literally at times we just hand over to them – They would not be – I mean, they're not technologically as advanced as most people think. They copy and redo a lot of the things that they steal from us. If they didn't have that in the first place, they wouldn't be where they're at.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, China's economy really took off because of all the manufacturing business they picked up, gosh, you know, in like the 80s and 90s when it really started. And China turned around and started to weaponize that against Europe and the U.S. And I think Trump was the first person to really step in and say, hey, we're not putting up with this anymore. And it's, you know, China's economy is being crippled now because All of these companies that manufactured goods there from Europe and the U.S., they have left. And we talked about this years ago. When a company leaves, they're not coming back. That's a big investment, and they have to make a huge investment somewhere else. I think China's got some real economic problems for the foreseeable future.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. And, you know, we are doing not as quick of a job here as we should be. But eventually some of the things we've even started here, you know, TSMC as far as chips and so on. I mean, we're doing some things here, whether we agree with how it's been funded or not. At the end of the day, we are bringing some things here to make happen that those those sorts of things, especially, Scott, as you know, that does not help China out at all. In fact, doesn't really help. help Taiwan either, even though right now Taiwan's the largest manufacturer of that when it's all said and done. But if we get some of those things moved here and we start doing some things here along those lines, that affects those particular industries greatly, and China won't have the power they've got right now.
SPEAKER 05 :
They won't. And to your point, yeah, it really helps the U.S. as well. I agree. I mean, think about all the manufacturing jobs that would, you know, the skilled labor jobs that will pick up here in the U.S. because of that. And, you know, I can't tell you how many times I heard people complain about during COVID that, oh, my God, the supply chain. Think about all these medical products that were made in China that could have been made here. Well, We're being presented with the opportunity to have exactly that thing happen. So why would that be so bad?
SPEAKER 15 :
It's not. We should take advantage of that. I think Trump will make some of those things happen. He'll incentivize. And by the way, I'm a big one on if we can cut some of the just. you know total government waste that's out there you know doing studies in other countries we shouldn't be doing to you know some of the different things that we we just waste money on literally waste money i mean no offense scott the amount of money we spent on ukraine we could have tooled up and done all sorts of manufacturing here Thank you very much. I'm all in, and the reality is we could cut government waste in a lot of areas and put it into the things you and I are talking about. Whether that's right, wrong, or otherwise, and depending upon what your belief is on whether we should help private companies or not, that's irrelevant. The reality is we could cut in some places and do those things very easily.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and sort of going back to some of the China stuff as it relates to this, too. I mean, people don't remember, I feel like, all the time that a lot of these companies in China that are making these goods are government-owned, controlled. That's right. Basically, they're state-sponsored entities.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 05 :
So China is dumping tons and tons of money. They're not worried about costs. They're not worried about these things. You don't have to be. Yeah, and it's really an unfair advantage versus the rest of the world. This is why China is able to dump all of these goods into different markets.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right. Exactly right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because they don't care.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's right. All right, so how do folks find you and learn more? And as we look into 2025, we'll have another show here before we close out the year and head into the holidays. But how do folks find you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, sure. You can go to Twitter. You can go to LinkedIn. Look for C. Scott Garlis.
SPEAKER 15 :
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Tomorrow, Dr. Kelly Victory should be with us. Steve House for sure will be. And we're going to talk about a little bit of inside knowledge on some of Trump's cabinet picks, especially the Surgeon General pick. We've got a little bit of insight on that we will share with you all tomorrow. tomorrow. And as you guys know, there's a pick there right now that Dr. Kelly and Steve will both comment on that, frankly, none of us, myself included, are very happy about, because this is a person that, frankly, was all in on the vaccine mandates and masks and social distancing and so on. And why in the world Trump has picked that particular individual, we really do not know. But We'll share some insight maybe on that tomorrow. And then I've also got a business expert that's going to talk about the wokeness in the DEI end of things and the fact that it is now leaving some of the larger corporations. So that, plus much more. We'll see you tomorrow. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
The discussion transitions from the intricacies of government shutdowns to a broader analysis on federal efficiency and potential reforms. John and Richard explore the possibility of AI taking over bureaucratic processes, eliminating redundant positions while streamlining services. They also contemplate the hypothetical redistribution of federal agencies across the country, projecting the economic and social impacts of such moves. With an emphasis on the accountability and transparency needed in public service, they propose a reinvigorated approach towards governance—one that aligns more closely with the fiscal realities faced by everyday Americans. Listeners are left with thoughtful reflections on the role of government employees, budgeting processes, and the pressing need for a paradigm shift as we head into a new legislative session.
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SPEAKER 18 :
And it's hour two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Richard Battle joining us now as he does here on Wednesdays. Richard, welcome, sir.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good afternoon, John. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER 18 :
It's always a joy. I appreciate you joining us. And as we head down the stretch, I should say, into the holiday season, winding things down for the year, it has gone. This past year, Richard, all I can say is it has gone by super fast.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it's gone by super fast in this last month. I think people's optimism levels are higher than they've been in a long time.
SPEAKER 18 :
I agree. All right, let's talk about potential government shutdowns, or shutdown, I should say, lions, tigers, and bears. Oh, my.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, we remember that from The Wizard of Oz when Dorothy and her friends were going toward the Emerald City, how they would sing that song because they were afraid of the wild animals. And December 20th, government funding ends, and so we're ahead of the game talking about this because in the next week or so, we're going to be scared about what will happen if the government has to shut down even for a minute, and we'll be stampeded into okaying our elected officials and throwing more money away.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. And the reality, Richard, is and we've seen, you know, temporary shutdowns in the past. And of course, they still keep essential services going, but they will, you know, frankly, by the way, when we had the last one, it's like, what what are we missing here? Because I'll be the first to tell you, Richard, that I didn't see anything that we were missing, telling you that we have, in my opinion, far too many non-essential government workers.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that is correct. We've had 21 going back to Gerald Ford. The longest one was the last one with President Trump of 34 days. And what frosts my cake is that every time it's over, the employees are paid all of the back pay for the time off, despite that being the number one thing they scare people about is the poor federal employees are going to lose their income. They always are paid.
SPEAKER 18 :
That's right. In fact, they get paid basically a nice vacation.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's exactly correct. And what also happens on this is that they use this to spend equal or greater money. And we've not gone back and cut any of the spending whatsoever during this. We've not had a budget passed since 1997, which is why we have to do this. And it basically gives politicians from both sides of the aisle permission to spend more money than they would in a normal budget cycle.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, they sort of, Richard, quote, unquote, sometimes I don't even know if it's slipping them in. They're just downright, if we're going to do X, then I want Y. And they're very upfront about it. And at the end of the day, to your point, we don't go back and ever adjust those things or fix them. And sometimes those end up being perpetual things that we just keep spending money on. That's part of our problem. And hopefully what the Department of Doge will fix is some of these things that we keep spending money on that we never should have started in the first place.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's exactly correct. And there's no excuse in the next two years for us not to go back to regular budgets for the Doge people to come in and cut spending. Right now, only 6%. of the federal government employees are back working full-time in the office. And there's going to be pressure to get them back.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, stop it. How many? Six percent?
SPEAKER 09 :
Six percent are only working full-time in the office. And there'll be a lot of crying in the media about how bad it is to force people to go back into the office, into jobs where they had to work in the office before COVID. But now these people have moved to different parts of the country that are more enjoyable than where their office is. And I know in the Austin area, people are moving back to cities in corporate America, and that's causing a downturn in the real estate market.
SPEAKER 18 :
You are correct. In fact, one of the things I have said here for the past couple of weeks, Richard, is when it comes to, you know, minimizing some of our government expenses and maybe figuring out a way to do, you know, more with less employees and so on, you know, get AI on our side and streamline some of the, you know, really the antiquated technologies that government uses, IRS still using computer, you know, computer programs and computers from the 60s is interesting. ridiculous. But one of the best ways to minimize some of that is, frankly, do what you just said, move the main office somewhere else and, frankly, put it in a place where, you know, nothing against you in Texas, Richard, but there's a lot of Washington, D.C. workers that in the Department of Energy probably don't want to live in the panhandle of Texas called Midland.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I think you're correct. And I think President Trump is looking at and planning to try to distribute some of that federal workforce across the country what survives the doge operation and i'll give you an example i have to apply for copyrights with the government for the books that i write and the latest book it's taken seven months and i had to email them twice asking them what was going on they finally said it was approved and then here's the catch you'll get your certificate in four to eight weeks Wow. After approval.
SPEAKER 18 :
And Richard, on this one, this is a great example. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I want to stop for a moment because I think you just gave a great example of where I feel AI and technology, what you just gave as an example, should be an employee-less transaction that AI could do for government where maybe there's an official that has the final stamp of approval before it gets mailed or something along those lines, but the reality, Richard, is... Not a single hand should have to touch that. Not a single eye should have to look at it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, there's a lot of opportunity throughout the government for things like that. But you have to remember also that we have more unionized government employees than we ever have before. And so we've basically set up a process that's going to make it much more difficult to downsize or right-size the government. and we're going to have to get people that will accept transfers from one place to the other, and I I hope that we can amend some of the civil service rules as well during this.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, frankly, Richard, one of the things, and I've talked about this for years, one of the first things that need to happen federally and, frankly, needs to happen on the state level as well, people that I am paying as a taxpayer on my payroll should not be able to unionize. They are federal workers, and there should not be any form of unions when it comes to government workers, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I'm on the same song sheet with you on that, and If we can accomplish that, it will be a great piece of progress for slimming down the government we have. And we also have the issue, and this is part of the shutdown issue, that they have to spend their money each budget year so they can get more money. And the Congress has basically abdicated their appropriation process where they go to a baseline budget instead of a zero-based budget like most companies use. And so if they're spending $100 this year, next year they'll spend automatically $108. And if you try to cut it to $107, then the media and government employees scream about cuts. And so we need to move them as part of this process to zero-based budgeting where cuts are cuts. and increases are still increases, so we know what we're getting.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep, that's exactly right. And again, lots of things, Richard, that'll have to be addressed. Hopefully, in these first two years, we can address some of those things. And for all of you listening... As you said a moment ago, Richard, the media is going to hype up everything to make it sound like, you know, we're in dire straits and there's no way we're going to ever come out of this and people are going to lose their jobs. It's going to be awful and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The reality is they are going to hype that. And we, especially myself in media, are going to have to do our very best to counter that.
SPEAKER 09 :
You're correct. And the government never takes a pay cut. The politicians never suffer any recourse, but yet we, if we're having an issue and our income is lowered, we have to reduce expenses. The government expects to never reduce expenses, and we have to get them to thinking differently and get them to thinking more like regular citizens who have to manage that money better and appreciate it. As I've said for a long time, the taxpayers, the last constituent considered in any legislation, and we need to move the taxpayer to the front of line.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep, you are exactly right. Richard, I hope that we get to see some of that. That is what I, especially as a business owner, very hopeful for, that we get some of those things done, because government has literally run amok. It's out of control. There are people, to your point a moment ago, on payroll that probably haven't been in the office in years now, and a lot of things need changed.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely, and I look forward to change. You and I both.
SPEAKER 18 :
We're going to turn the page. All right, as folks are heading down into this holiday stretch and they're looking for some great gift ideas, talk about your website and what you have there.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, thank you so much. RichardBattle.com is the website. The latest book, which is really getting a lot of attention for gifts, is Americans Who Made America, 18th Century Birth of the Republic. I profile 40 people from the 18th century. Some you'll know, some you won't. They will all inspire you, make you have a greater love for your country, inspire you to live your richest life. And it's a great gift idea for young adults. And if you email me, richard at richardbattle.com, after ordering, I'm happy to inscribe gift.com. copies on that, and all books are signed at richardbattle.com.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush. We are back.
SPEAKER 10 :
Joe, what's going on today, sir? John, just to follow up on Richard Battle's comments about bloated government, I've got some data on the U.S. Post Office over the last 10 years, starting in 2014. Any idea what's happened to the volume of U.S. mail in the past 10 years?
SPEAKER 18 :
I know it's gone down.
SPEAKER 10 :
How about by 30%? It went from 155 billion pieces. I'm not shocked.
SPEAKER 18 :
And for all of you listening, the reason for that is, and even I as a business coach, Joe, even advise my clients that there's but a few exceptions where I think a mailer might actually be worth doing. But otherwise, don't waste your money. Don't waste your time. There's other ways to reach people. And even mailing bills and things along those lines, Joe, most everything is done now automatically with auto payments and the like, and you're just not sending stuff anymore.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, my electric bill, my garbage bill, my water bill.
SPEAKER 18 :
Joe, I don't – rarely, rarely do I put – the first letter I've mailed in the last couple of months was I had to renew a license plate for one of my old cars, and I had to do it either in person or by mail with a check. I could not do it online. That's government for you, Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
I bought a roll of stamps in January. I still have half a roll left. Exactly.
SPEAKER 18 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
So anyway, so in 2014, there were 155 billion pieces of mail handled. Last year, there were 116 billion. That's a 30% decline. Now, and there's been a small increase in package volume, 3 billion. By the way, have you seen, and there's been literally tens of billions invested in automation. Have you seen these new package sorting centers, these automated package sortings?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
They're as big as a football field. And it's all, nobody touches the package. Well, I mean, yeah, they have somebody to load them on.
SPEAKER 08 :
Barely.
SPEAKER 10 :
But they load them on. Once they go on, the barcode readers scan them. They travel down these chutes, which are then these conveyors, which are high-speed conveyors, which are collectively over a mile long. But at every given spot, they have like a collection basket that says, oh, you're going to Lakewood. Boom. And it shoots that back. It diverts it into a basket for Lakewood. Or if you're going to, oh, you're in Aurora, diverts it up. So anyway, so they've So the volume of mail is down by 30%. They spent tens of billions of dollars in automation. You know what's happened to the number of employees? Up. By 50,000.
SPEAKER 18 :
It's gone from... I saw some of the interviews on Capitol Hill about that, Joe, and the excuses for the hiring is laughable.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is. I mean, if you're going to have a 30% decline in what you're handling, and you're going to spend tens of billions... on automation, why do you need another 50,000 people?
SPEAKER 18 :
And by the way, that was the questions that were asked on Capitol Hill that the postmaster, I believe, just, if I'm not mistaken, Joe, covered his ears for.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think his name is DeJoy. DeJoy.
SPEAKER 18 :
He just covered it. And I'm not joking. He literally covered his ears because he was tired of the darts that were getting thrown his way. Let's just say it that way.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I have to say, you know, it's...
SPEAKER 18 :
And by the way, Joe, his excuse was, this is what I was mandated to do when I got hired. Wrong answer, pal.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wrong answer. Oh, and by the way, despite the fact that Congress relieved them of the ability to accrue for their pension and medical, they still lost $6 billion. Jeez. But let me tell you why that $6 billion is a phony number. Private businesses that still have a defined pension or defined benefit plan, they're saying, hey, you've just incurred a cost. Now, you don't have to pay that cost for 15 years, but it's a cost associated with this person's weekly pay. It's a liability. It's a liability. Therefore, you have to book that liability. It's supposed to. It has a cost this year.
SPEAKER 18 :
It's supposed to.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, right. Congress last year – Led by Democrats two years ago, Democrats said, no, no, you no longer have to accrue.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, these are guys that don't understand basic accounting principles, you mean.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Don't understand basic accounting. Or maybe they do, but don't want to. So despite the fact that they've relieved the U.S. Postal Service of the requirement to account for all of their costs, and all of their costs includes their pension and medical for their retirees, they're still losing $6 billion, even though they're under account. underreporting or not accounting for the pension and benefit liabilities that are accruing every day. Every day, the post office is accruing liabilities that have to be paid in the future, and they're not accounting for it.
SPEAKER 18 :
And yet, if there was a company on Wall Street, by the way, that did something similar, they would be brought before Capitol Hill and questioned on that.
SPEAKER 10 :
In fact, John, I don't know if you're familiar with the term ERISA.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
The Employee Retirement Security Income Act. What used to happen is people used to come in and buy companies. Companies used to bank their own pension funds for their employees. And then they'd run out of money, and the company would go bankrupt, and the employees would get... So in 1974, Congress passed the ERISA Act that says, hey, if you have any sort of defined benefit plan, you have to put that money... into a trust account administered by a third party, and every year you have to have a third-party accounting firm verify that the amount of money in that account to pay future pensions is adequate, and if not, you'll have to cough up the money now, this year, to bring that pension and benefit account up to where it needs to be, which, by the way, doesn't apply to PERA. PERA is exempt, but all private corporations, if they have a defined benefit plan, are required under ERISA, 1974 Act, to literally not just account for, they have to account for and bank the money in a third party. Post office doesn't do either one of those. Post office is not accounting for it, and they're not banking the money. So as more and more postal employees retire, and they're living, and we all know because of advances in medical and medicine, they're living longer and longer. All they've done is kick the can down the road, John, and the annual deficit of the post office is going to get bigger and bigger and bigger.
SPEAKER 18 :
Real quick, I've got a texter that actually threw something my way, and they were surprised you hadn't called in on this yet, and yet I answered back as to, I believe, why. And that is right now this story coming out of the – it's coming out of Capitol Hill, but it's about the East Coast and the quote-unquote – and I put air quotes around this, folks, because I can't verify this, and I'm not going to repeat something I can't verify, but some Iranian ship that is sending drones – over the East Coast, and there's a particular politician back there, I don't even know the person's name, that claimed this is what was going on. Right now, for all of you listening, there's been really no solid proof that that, in fact, is the case. Now, what are these drones doing, and why don't we have more answers coming out of our own government? That's a whole other question, Joe. But do I personally believe there's an Iranian ship off the East Coast that's doing this? Frankly, Joe, I doubt it. I highly doubt that. So, no, I don't think that part's true.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, yes, we have one wackadoodle state senator who was on the news saying, well, I have information that there's an Iranian drone ship left port, you know, six weeks ago, and that ship is now anchored off the coast of New Jersey, and that's where these drones are originating from. Nobody's been able to validate or verify. This guy's basically repeating Internet rumors as well.
SPEAKER 18 :
He's been listening to Alex Jones.
SPEAKER 10 :
Listen to Alex Jones, so no credibility whatsoever.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sorry, Alex, but anyways.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. He made the evening news.
SPEAKER 18 :
All right, Joe, appreciate you, man, and thanks for verifying that also.
SPEAKER 10 :
You're welcome, John.
SPEAKER 18 :
All right, man, talk to you soon. Yeah, I wasn't going to spend a lot of time talking about that, but since somebody texted and asked, I thought I'd go ahead and mention that. And for those of you, please, I say this all the time. that are on social media, that like to post things to Facebook or Instagram or X or whatever it is. And some of you are listening to me right now. In this case, don't. Don't. Don't fall into that trap. It's not verifiable. As Joe just said a moment ago, he gave the explanation as to where that story is coming from. There has been absolutely no valid proof right now that that's what's happened. And I'm one of those to where until there is... I'm not buying it. So please, if you're somebody listening to me or you know somebody that will go down these conspiracy theory rabbit holes and will then post these things, please, for the love of God, don't. You make us on our side look like loonies when you do. So please don't post anything about that online. Because it's frankly, at this point, unprovable. And until it is, don't post anything about it. Bruce Simmons is next. What I can guarantee you of is that Bruce Simmons is our expert when it comes to reverse mortgages. They are right for some. They're not right for all. Find out if it is for you. Just call Bruce today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 18 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Sonny Kutcher joining us now from Young Americans Against Socialism. Sonny, welcome.
SPEAKER 17 :
Hello. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER 18 :
Always great. Always great to hear from you as well. And this, what you sent me and the story that we're going, or I should say the topic that we're going to talk about today, I have followed pretty closely since its inception. And for a lot of you that are listening that aren't in the business world, you may not have followed this at all. It may not be a big issue. But for those that are in business, this has been a big deal. And that is the corporate technology. transparency act and beneficial ownership reporting requirements. That's a mouthful, but that's something sunny that was passed and set into motion. I want to say over a year ago, and it may not actually be going the way that government wants. Let's just say it that way.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. This will be a continuing saga, especially to the end of the year. So I think that they started this January 1st, 2024 to the beginning of this year and, The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network began accepting, like you said, beneficial ownership information reports. I think about six and a half million companies or entities have reported this information that the government was requesting. But it does affect over 32 million other businesses that are out there. And so these reports were due by January 1st of 2025. And, you know, the national I think the National Federation of Independent Business was working on this lawsuit to stop this reporting requirement and to not allow a fine to be to penalize small business owners. So what they were what they were asking for is is This seems like government overreach. Of course, the Corporate Transparency Act, so that's the act through Congress that this was passed under, and the BOI, the Beneficial Ownership Information, is a report within that act that would require this report, obviously, from small business owners. And it says that this Corporate Transparency Act aims to combat money laundering, terrorism, tax fraud, and other illicit activities by increasing transparency of entity structures and ownership. Now, that sounds, you know, sounds great. We like to say it sounds great. Sounds great. But I think it's just, you know, if you're the kind of person who's going to believe that asking for. More information and more fines or more fees, rather, from small businesses, from the private population to the government. If you think that's going to stop crime and corruption, then you obviously don't understand that the crime and corruption is exactly what they're trying to do on the inside. Right. Government. Overreach is just riddled with corruption, crime, and nepotism, as we see. And so what they were requesting was your full legal name, course, date of birth, residence.
SPEAKER 18 :
I'm going to stop you just one second, Sonny, because prior to this, for all of you listening, one of the things that. A lot of – and one of the things that we believe in in the United States of America is that a corporation is its own being. And so it's – by the way, I don't want to spend all the time, Sonny, getting into the details as to why we believe that, but we look at corporations as their own quote-unquote person. And therefore – A lot of individuals or even other companies that might own a sub corporation have had the ability to, in some cases, anonymously own said corporation. And by the way, there's lots of reasons why somebody might want to anonymously own something, because the reality is, depending upon who that person is, they may not want their identity out there in the open being tied to a particular. We'll be right back. For all of you listening, that would be a naysayer and say, oh, yeah, no, we should be able to know. On the tax end of things, you do anyway. So the reality is when these corporations go to file taxes and do things along those lines, if government really wants to know who owns said corporation, they can. In my opinion, Sonny, this is nothing more than making things more public that, by the way, don't need to be.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, absolutely. And there's there's nothing in the Constitution that says that the government needs to know every single detail about a person's private business. And just like you said, there are so many reasons and not nefarious reasons that someone would not want their residential address to be connected to their business. I mean, maybe they want it. to be under their spouse or their child or whoever.
SPEAKER 18 :
They may want it under a trust. They may want a parent organization to own it. They may be somebody that's a public figure that, frankly, you take like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, maybe they don't want their name associated with said business for reasons of if they go to buy another business and people know that they are who they are, well, all of a sudden the price goes up and Again, Sonny, there's all sorts of reasons why individuals don't necessarily want to make it front and center as to what they own. And that's OK.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. And even more than that, the lawsuit also argued that this is just plain, outright unconstitutional.
SPEAKER 18 :
It's overreach of government.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, it exceeds Congress authority over the state. This is the state jurisdiction where the state needs to know, you know, what businesses are operating, who's doing what. And I think that makes that makes sense. But this is unconstitutional. It said they improperly compelled speech and contradicts the right of anonymous association guaranteed by the First Amendment and violates the Fourth Amendment by forcing the disclosure of private information. So the interesting part about this is that. Merrick Garland, the current U.S. attorney general, filed an appeal already against this injunction because the judge ruled that, you know, they had standing that this was going to go, you know, that he was going to to impose a preliminary injunction. And he stated that it would it would be nationwide and it wouldn't just be in Texas where this lawsuit is, you know, is. And so they are extending it to be nationwide because the business was a nationwide company. And so they're saying this is just like people's rights are being infringed upon in Texas. They're being infringed all over the country. And so people are really waiting to see what's going to happen if the appeal will be if it will overturn the ruling. or if the injunction will go through. So this is a really interesting one, and I do, as you said, a lot of business owners and people, you know, who are in that industry are going to be following this very closely. I think that they're going to ask for, you know, they ask for your information, like a passport, driver's license. Right.
SPEAKER 18 :
You literally are. I've looked at the form. I told all of my clients, and I myself was waiting to see how things would work out, and even told all of my clients, do not do anything until we get very, very close, to the end of the year, because I had a gut feeling, Sonny, that some of these things might happen, especially if Donald Trump ended up winning the election, which he did. So I advised all of my clients not to fill anything out until we got towards the latter part of the year, which is where we're at right now. But yeah, to your point, they were asking all sorts of things that, frankly, it's none of their dang business.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. And that is why the American economy succeeds. That's why we created our intro to socialism curriculum to talk about the benefits of economic economic independence versus a socialist. system where the government is the one who makes the rules and you have to abide by them. When you have government overreach and issues like this where the government is trying to get information, whatever their motives may be, it creates more obstacles, more hurdles for business owners. It incentivizes stagnation and decline versus growth. prosperity, allowing people to have the freedom to choose what they do, how they do it, what works for them. That's what makes this country great. That's what makes our country free. That's what makes the people in this country able to succeed and prosper because they can actually accomplish the dreams that they have in the way that is suitable to them. And so when you have the government trying to Yeah, oh yeah, and by the way,
SPEAKER 18 :
Thank you for mentioning that because this was going to be a huge penalty. And that's what everybody was worried about is if you didn't get this thing filled out. And it's why, by the way, millions of businesses, because they're, I guess, fearful and or their knuckleheads, went ahead and filled this stuff out on the front side. I was not one of them because I was bound and determined not to do it. In fact, I was waiting for somebody to not do it, you know, get to January 1st, not do it, and then fight the $500, you know, per day fine that they were going to try to, you know, throw on to everybody. individuals businesses and so on i was waiting for that as well i mean sunny this is absolutely the definition of overreach of government and even then the fines for what you would you know that you would be uh you know that you would be levied with if you didn't fill this out was basically highway robbery absolutely and then more than that uh
SPEAKER 17 :
They don't need to have all that information. It's completely untraceable. Who's organizing this information? I mean, we know that the government doesn't do things very efficiently or economically. That in and of itself is just a disaster. Then you have all this information floating around out there that doesn't need to be out there. And, of course, I think that this is just completely unconstitutional. Meanwhile, you have millions of people coming into the border. You can have illegals voting without a passport. You need one to run a business.
SPEAKER 18 :
You don't need an ID to vote, but I need one to run a business.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. Which you've which if you own a business at this point in the game, you've probably already done all of the report. I mean, you have a current existing operating business, you know, so your information is probably attached to that business already. It just seems so completely redundant and unnecessary. And that's why I think that what's deeper is. under this is the need for more information, more ways to, you know, get the American people over a barrel and get more information from them, the ability to catch them, find them, do all of these things, and wait until a court is, you know, has the cojones to actually put a stop to this. And thankfully, we did have a judge willing to do that who still has, you know, a moral compass and knows what is a constitutional order.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. No. And again, at the end of the day, Sonny, this is the things that you guys, Young Americans Against Socialism, you are fighting against. And for all of you listening, maybe you've only heard Sonny today. Maybe you've only heard her a couple of times in the past. Sonny, you guys are literally, the way you're fighting this is you're doing your best to educate mainly young people because it's young Americans. But really, I've downloaded the material. If you want more, let me make sure I say this right and choose my words carefully, Sonny. If you want the ability, to stand firm on facts and be able to debate in the public realm all of what we talk about here on a routine basis. Sunny, the best way for people to do that is to download your material.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. And also just to learn, to learn information about how other people live in communist countries. You know, that's why what really informs our work is the stories, the stories that we get to tell about people who have escaped communist countries because they didn't have the freedom, the luxury of freedom that we have in this country. That's what informs our work. That's what drives us to educate young people because they simply don't understand they've grown up in this, you know, in this free country and we have so much at our fingertips, but that can be taken away just by little drips and drabs like this with the government attempting overreach. And so that's what's really important. That's what fuels our team and our curricula that we're creating. We have so many big plans and many more guides coming to teach young people. And like you said, anybody can use the refresher and we're really grateful for your audience for being there for us. And then this is really what, is going to help heal the country and have us embrace our freedom again because of people just having this information and talking about it and being aware so that they can speak up and stand up when it does affect them directly. I think it's amazing that someone stood up and said, hey, I'm not going to pay this. I'm not going to do this. This is just unconstitutional, knows their rights, and is willing to take a chance. And guess what? That's how the justice system works in this country. If you're willing to take the chance and stand up, And sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. But I think when it comes to the Constitution, those rights are protected and we have to keep fighting for them even when we feel like they're being infringed upon. And that's what fuels us. I also wanted to highlight, sorry to take a few extra minutes, but I just wanted to highlight our campaign that we're doing on social media. It's called American Made. This is why we really value businesses that have American values and believe in freedom, believe in the mission of spreading freedom and embracing that. If you are a small business on that topic, you're an entrepreneur and you'd like your business or your service to be highlighted on our Instagram to appreciate and value small businesses in the holiday season. We'd love to share, you know, your business and your story. So please feel free to contact us on Instagram at gas underscore America, or you can email us. myself, Sunny, S-U-N-N-Y, at yass.org. Or you can go to our website, too. So you can find us and get in touch with us, and we'd love to share your story and your business.
SPEAKER 18 :
And also, last but not least, if you guys are at the end of the year, some of you business owners, you're looking for a good tax deduction, you'd like to know, hey, where could I actually put a little bit of my money where I know it's going to go to good use and I'll get a benefit from doing so. You can also do that right on their website. Again, Young Americans Against Socialism. And I would encourage you to do so. Sunny, as always, I appreciate you joining us.
SPEAKER 17 :
Thank you so much, John. Always a pleasure.
SPEAKER 18 :
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All right, we are back in a few minutes left of this particular hour. This Wednesday edition always goes fast. Health and wellness is fast, and then we start off with Richard Battle. Usually have a little segment in between, and then Sonny comes on. And for those of you, again, that maybe don't know Sonny Kutcher and Young Americans Against Socialism, it's a great organization. They're continuing to build what they have. They have the ability to speak to especially young people and have influence that, frankly, I'll say it, Old guys like me can't have. Now, I understand. I have some influence among some young people, although typically those are conservative young people that probably listen to me for various reasons and so on. But in general, I don't have the same reach that Sonny and her cohorts will have. I just don't. They have the ability to get into areas, even social media wise, that I don't have. So it's imperative. It's imperative that we help organizations like hers out because, again, they can do things that the majority of you listening and myself included, Charlie, we just can't do. And so I appreciate the fact that we've got the ability to partner up with individuals like her and have other young people that join us. from time to time. And as you guys listening know, I do my very best, not only with my own family and son, to get young people involved, but I want more young people involved because the reality is we won't continue to move forward with what we as conservatives and Christians want to do if we don't get young people involved. Unfortunately, the left has mastered that. They own education, as we know. In a lot of ways, they have infiltrated the church and even youth groups and youth ministries and so on. And so they have the ability through the education system to have a far more reaching influence than what we as conservative has. Now, I get it. There's a lot of folks like Charlie Kirk and others that go around the campuses and do a great work in this particular area. But the reality is we are behind when it comes to young people along those lines. And if young people really would stop, and listen to what the advantages are from one side to the other and really had an open mind and sat down and really thought about things, it doesn't take much to get them to come over to our side and think the way that we do because at the end of the day, we give them far more opportunity than what the left does, just like minority groups and so on. We, as a party and as a belief system, want everybody to succeed, regardless of your age, regardless of your sex, regardless of your skin tone. We don't care. We want all to succeed. Our message permeates that. The other side doesn't. The other side doesn't. The other side, it's all about control. And what can I get you to do for me? Much like we were talking to Sonny a moment ago about the business registration that the left decided to implement a year ago, roughly. That is just an invasion of privacy. It has nothing to do, by the way, has nothing to do with stopping crime. Zero. Zero. That Transparency Act and what they're – it's funny how they call it that, Corporate Transparency Act. Yeah, you already have ways of figuring out who owns a corporation. You don't need that. So at the end of the day, all that is is an invasion of privacy like we talked to Sonny about. And again, young people, if they were taught – Sit them down, have the ability to go through some of the things even Sonny and I went through during that last segment. Most of them, not all, but most of them would have a different look upon things and realize that, oh, wait, that's not what I'm being told. No, you're being told this is all about fighting crime, and it's not. So, again, appreciate Sonny. Young Americans Against Socialism, if you have the ability to donate and help them out any way, shape, or form here as we head down this final stretch into the holidays, tax-wise, it can help even individuals out. It is a 501c3 donation. It'll help you out on your taxes as well. We'll be back. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Well, thank you. My service dog, my husky Klondike, is here. He enjoys it. He doesn't like being left in the office alone, however.
SPEAKER 13 :
You can hear him. He's all right. He's great. He's beautiful, by the way, Al, so congratulations. He's a very pretty dog, so congratulations. All right, as we talk to Al here, again, we have Al normally try to get him to hang around mainly because it fits with his schedule. He's already here doing his show from 2 to 2.30. On top of that, I say it all the time, having your finances as much in order as you can. And for some of you that maybe are a little bit older and have done a really good job continuing down that path. But Al, as we talk all the time, stress is a big thing, especially when it comes to health and wellness, and having our finances dialed in can help us not necessarily be stress-free, but it does help us handle that stress a little better is probably the best way for me to say that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I would agree, and when people have a nest egg they believe is large enough to get them through retirement, they can be thinking about other things, like how you can give back, how you can help through your church, how you can do some volunteer work. If you're not sure you have enough money to get through retirement, It's hard to think about how you can help somebody else.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. Okay, so year-end stuff, Albert, that time where there are some things that, yeah, you can do some contributions to your IRA and things like that, even next year before you file your taxes. The deadline is the 15th of April, of course. But there's also things that folks might want to look at with you directly before the end of the year and time is running out. What are some of those things they should be looking at?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, the two big things, obviously, if you are 73 years old or older, you need to take out your required minimum distribution from your IRA. And I would suggest that it needs to be done by December 31st, but I would not wait until the week of Christmas to do that because the big financial companies, the insurance companies, investment companies, get very busy that time of year, and they often have to hire people who are not the most financially knowledgeable.
SPEAKER 05 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 12 :
Also, you may be on hold. If you do it probably this week or next, you'll be able to take care of it a lot easier. That's for your RMDs. If you're thinking about converting part of your traditional IRA to Roth, you can kind of sit down and look at your last pay stub or second to last pay stub and estimate what tax bracket you're in and decide if you want to do that. because that also has to be done by December 31st. Regular IRA contribution, as you mentioned, John, that can be done when you file your taxes or as late as April 15th.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, now, everything else spot on. I've been telling even my business clients that are looking at the year end, the tax planning and so on, that essentially because of the way Christmas falls this year, Christmas and New Year's both being on Wednesdays, it really does put a damper, I guess you could say, on some of the normal business things you might go ahead and get done because of the way it falls. So what I'm telling everybody is like you, we have literally until not this coming Friday, but next Friday, Friday. So let me get that date to make sure that I'm saying the correct date. The 20th. So you really have until, you know, as far as business functions go, I've been telling everybody, I think you'll be safe in doing this. Have your stuff done by December 20th this year.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think that makes the most sense. I mean, it sounds like it's 10 days before the end of the year, but with holidays in there and with businesses and individuals taking time off, I would get some of these things done that we're talking about before Christmas. The 20th.
SPEAKER 13 :
And the reason we say that for all of you listening is the last thing you want is to have to try to come back and prove that you had everything done by the 31st, Al, to your point. Just the amount of, again, stress. This is Health and Wellness Wednesday. We talk about reducing stress and so on. So guess what? Reduce that stress. Get these things done by the 20th. Enjoy the holidays then after that, and you can do that stress-free, Al.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, absolutely. It's much easier to enjoy the holidays when some of the major stressful things are behind you.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. All right, so folks looking to do that. And I've also been telling folks, Al, that if they don't have a plan or they've had a plan maybe for years that hasn't been reviewed and they haven't seen their financial planner that did some of that in multiple years, reality is they need to seek you out. They need to sit down, have a very – open-ended conversation as to here's where i am here's some of the things that you know we've already got going on they show you all those things and guess what here's where i want to be am i gonna make it with my current plan or do i need to make any adjustments to make sure that i get there and by the way it's very uncommon i'm guessing i'm not you but i'm guessing it's uncommon for there not to be some changes along the way because things happen in life right
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, exactly. The reason plans need to be reviewed is because people's circumstances change. And we all have heard the great financial sage Mike Tyson say, everybody has a plan until you get hit in the face.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right. It's a fact. So, again, folks, you can call Al. I say it all the time. KLZRadio.com is where you can find him. Now, Al, I was going to ask, given we're very close to that 20th date, business day-wise, because today's pretty much over, that gives them seven business days to get in and get going. Time-wise for you, are you able to take some folks and actually help them during that time?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, yes, I may be taking a little time off, but I'll probably only be doing it like a half a day at a time or something so that you can reach me right up to the year end. Some of the time I'll be taking off will be in 2025, and you can reach my office at 303-744-1128. And if you get my voicemail, I respond to those quickly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Al, as always, I appreciate it. Look forward to 2025. Have fun with your furry friend here as well and hope you have a fabulous Christmas. And for all of you listening, again, if you haven't gotten in to see Al, you need to do that before the end of the year because there might be some adjustments you need to make tax-wise to make all of that happen. And or get an appointment set early 2025 and get yourself established and on the way towards the retirement. And back to what Al said a little bit ago, so that you can actually do some things later on in life that benefit others and do some things that you would like to do. Because when you're busy working and trying to work everything out, Al, you don't have time to even do some of the other volunteer things that a lot of people enjoy doing.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, you're absolutely right. And the happiest people I know are in retirement are those who are getting some joy and fulfillment from doing things for some other people.
SPEAKER 13 :
Awesome. All right. Al Smith, Golden Eagle Financial. Again, if you want to contact Al, he gave you the number. Or you can go to klzradio.com. High Five Plumbing coming up next. And at High Five, again, they do everything from electrical to plumbing. You name it. Just call High Five Plumbing 877-WE-HIGH-FIVE.
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SPEAKER 05 :
Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Health and Wellness Wednesday. Okay, last week I talked about the ice display or the event that's out at the Gaylord of the Rockies Hotel. It's Christmas at Gaylord. In fact, the website is Christmas at GaylordRockies.com. I also told you that I would do my best to have some tickets to potentially give away for that. Now, here's how this is going to work. I do have some to give away that we'll do right now. I've got four sets of two. I'm sorry I can't do more than that, but that's how they distributed the tickets to me. And the way this works is I'm going to email you back a voucher. That then allows you to go on and make whatever appointment you want to do. If you want to add some tickets to that, even some of the discounted prices, maybe there's more than just two of you that want to go. I get that. But this will help at least get, in your family, two of you to go. And kids under three, I believe, are free anyway. So some of you that have small children, you might only need two tickets when it's all said and done. Anyway, so here's how this is going to work. You're going to call in now to our main number, 303. four seven seven five six zero zero and the first four people that call charlie's gonna just give you the text line number specifically and then you can email or you can text me your info now please this is the honor system a lot of you know the text line anyways Don't just start texting me for those tickets because I'll know based upon timing and names as to what Charlie's taking as to whether these are legit or not. And I don't really worry about that with you guys as listeners. And if I had more, folks, I would do more. But that's what they were able to get me. And I appreciate that very much. So thank you, by the way, Gaylord of the Rockies. I do appreciate that very much. It's a great event. You'll have a great time. I've already had some family members that went the other day and gave us a report back that it's absolutely a wonderful display, things that you will not see anywhere else. So if you've got the ability to go and you would like to have a pair of tickets, call us and we will get you dialed in and the phones are ringing now. So give Charlie a moment to get back to you, you know, to get your number and all of that. And then I will handle getting you the tickets emailed out. And by the way, I may not be able to do that until first thing in the morning. I've got a few things going on even after the show tonight. So I may not be able to email you until first thing in the morning. I will do my best to do it prior to that, but it might be morning before I actually get all of that done. But if you got, if you want to go lines are full right now so there's i'm guessing three sets of these pairs already going out so as soon as somebody drops off i can take one more caller 303-477-5600 all right health and wellness wednesday i've got troy dual from centurion labs is going to talk to us about desserts here at about 3 30 in the meantime I found an interesting article this week, and I didn't have a special guest or anything for this. This just happened to be an article in BBC Science Focus magazine, and it's about night sweats. Some people have them awful, and it sort of runs in, quote-unquote, my family, my side of the family, I should say. And some of my kids even had night sweats. So it's something that a lot of people can experience. Now, I didn't know until I started reading this particular article that... They might be an indication of another health issue that you may have going on in your life. And those of you that just called in, hang tight. Charlie will get to you in just one second. So hang tight. He'll be right with you. He's answering other calls as we speak. But number one, night sweats might be a sleep-related breathing disorder. In other words, there might be a link to folks that have persistent night sweats that And you could have a sleep-related breathing disorder. Now, again, some of you that experience this... Number two. could be a different health issue there's all sorts of other sleep disorders that might be going on as well uh... your body by the way as you guys all know is regulating its temperature during the night now i also will say this is not necessarily in this article but What you sleep on, you know, mattress wise sheets and so on can have a lot to do with some of the things that we're talking about. So that's one of those things, too, where, you know, do some of your research and make sure that you're actually sleeping on things that help you. mitigate, best words I guess I could use, night sweats if you're somebody that actually experiences that. But again, a lot of sleep disorders can come from a sign of night sweats. And by the way, not necessarily the only symptom. There might be some other things that those that you're around or depending upon your situation, this could even be with your kids and so on. Now also, One thing to look at, too, is some medications may trigger this as well. So, for example, medications that are used to treat diabetes and some things along those lines, they may actually cause some night sweats as well. So that's one of those things, too, that you really need to look at. And if that's you, of course, you may know that already. Another common culprit, which, again, after reading this makes total sense, hormones. Low hormone levels can disrupt your body's temperature regulation. And that can be, by the way, for both men and women. Estrogen and testosterone both play a role in balancing those levels. At night and you're basically regulating your internal thermostat. So that's another thing to look at where if you've got it. And by the way, maybe this is something that you've never experienced before. And all of a sudden they start to come on. There is an onset. That would be something that you'd really want to take a closer look at to make sure that. that you're getting things handled correctly on that end of things as well. And if you try to call in now, you won't be able to get in. We've put all the lines on permanent hold because we've given them all away. So thank you all very much. It didn't take very long, so I appreciate that. And, yes, I will do my best to get those out. this evening, even maybe at the top of the hour. But if I don't, I will definitely get those things out to you guys first thing in the morning. And that event is going on all the way through the rest of this month, I believe even into early January. So you'll have plenty of time to make sure that you go. So again, Going back to the hormonal end of things, and you guys all know this, and we don't talk about this a lot during this hour because this is really, in my opinion, kind of one of those personal things that everybody experiences differently. These are things where you need to be talking to your doctor closely, especially as we start to age, because things, again, change. Things start to slow down as we age, for example. Your hormones will start to change. Sometimes we need to add some things back into our bodies to balance those hormones out. And again, I'm not going to get technical. I'm not a doctor. This is really more up the alley of Dr. Scott Faulkner, who, by the way, is really great on all of this as well. So not only is he a great doctor. just regular internal medicine doctor, but he does some of the things that we're talking about as well and understands that fully. So if you're somebody that is struggling a little bit on that whole balance of things, and one thing about Dr. Scott I should mention as well, is he's not always going to be a guy to just say, you know, here, take this. You know, take some testosterone, for example. He may ask you all sorts of things like, what's your diet like? What's your exercise like? What is your sleep like? Which is what we're talking about right now. And then combination of, what do we need to do to get some of these levels back on track? He's going to take the whole picture because, again, he's a – what I would call more of a whole doctor. He's not burdened by big pharma and big insurance, so he can take the time necessary to sit and have a conversation with you, run the labs, do the things necessary to figure out exactly what you need to be doing along those lines. So just put a quick plug in for Dr. Scott, who you'll also hear from. in a commercial this hour. But yeah, if you're really looking for somebody that will help you with that end of things, which again can be, you know, night sweats can be a sign of that imbalance, please give Dr. Scott a call and he'd love to help you out. Switch up your evening routine. So something, you know, sometimes it says here you can't avoid sweating at night. You can minimize it based upon your daily habits, even hours before going to bed. Everybody sweats after a workout, of course, but the timing and intensity of your exercise can change your sleeping temperature. High intensity workouts raise your core temperature, speed up your metabolism. So working out later in the evening could make you more prone to night sweats. Now, by the way, that could even just be Hey, you know, it's summertime and you are outside working in the yard all the way up until you decided to come in and go to bed. Those things can also be a contributing factor to that. So, again, your brain responds to that overheating in your body by making you sweat. That's one of the ways, you know, God made us. It's how we cool ourselves down. And at the end of a workout, of course. you're going to naturally be more hot, and your body's going to be doing things to try to get that temperature back down, of course. Now, this I talked a little bit about a moment ago briefly. Your sleep setup might be wrong. And again, this is one of those things where what you had even as a mattress and sheets for the last decades, plural, maybe that's not the right setup now, depending upon where you are at your stage in life. Maybe you need to take another look at that, and maybe you need something different when it comes to how you're actually, you know, what you're actually sleeping on and in is what I mean to say. you know, breathable-type fabrics. They've got mattresses even that some do a better job of keeping you warm, some do a better job of keeping you cool. There's even these devices that a lot of you have seen to where they'll even, like, air-condition the bed itself. It actually goes up in between the sheets, and it'll actually blow, you know, cool air or warm air, I guess, depending upon what you want, you know, inside of, quote-unquote, the cover. So it's one of those things where And again, I'm not an expert when it comes to mattresses and bedding and all of that. My wife is more of an expert on that than I am. But I do know that there is a gazillion. I mean, that's one of the things that's a lot different even than when Charlie, you and I were kids. The amount of mattress choices today. And even the materials that you can actually buy for sheets is far different than what I grew up with. So along those lines, make sure that you have what you need setup wise to sleep well. Because, again, one of the things we talk about during health and wellness is sleep is something we need. Everybody needs a different amount. It's not, you know, used to be when we were told for years and years, everybody needs eight hours. That's not necessarily true. Some can go on less. Some need more. You know you, and you know what you need, and you still have to get adequate sleep for you so that as... You're resting and your brain is trying to rejuvenate itself. One of the things we've learned with dementia and Alzheimer's is that can come also early onsets of it, especially can come from not sleeping well. You know, people that work night jobs and things like that. Those are things that you really need to be careful of. So this whole, you know, sweating while you sleep. And some of the other health issues that this may be a sign of, you want to make sure you have those things taken care of because you want a good night's sleep because when you're not getting a good night's sleep, it's just not healthy for your whole well-being. And that means everything from your physical side to the mental side to what's going on inside of your brain and so on. Just a few tips there. If some of you suffer from night sweats, there might be other things going on. You might want to have a conversation even with somebody like Dr. Scott when it comes to that. Golden Eagle Financial is coming up next. We just talked to Al a moment ago. And, yes, as we head down to the final stretch here of 2024, make sure you're dialed in when it comes to your finances. Al is more than willing to help you with that. We just talked to him a moment ago. And, again, find Al at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
And we are back, Health and Wellness Wednesday. Troy Duhl joining us now. Troy, welcome back. How are you, sir? Doing great, John. How are you? Always a joy having you. Troy is our resident health educator, founder of Centurion Labs as well. All right. We're going to talk about the holidays and desserts. And, you know, everybody this time of the year, Troy, is looking forward to being able to get together with friends and family. And yet there's all these temptations that are out there. And in some cases, depending upon, you know, where you're at and whose home you're at, You know, you don't want to be rude and not take something. On the same token, you're trying to watch the waistline, and we talk about eating healthy on a routine basis. So people are trying to stay in check. How do they balance all of that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Man, that is the million-dollar question, isn't it? Because we all kind of are our own worst enemies because of nostalgia. We get over to Grandma's house. We get over to our parents' house. Whatever it is, and there are those certain treats that we want to have. And I think the big thing we have to do is really become somewhat strategic with it and say, you know what, I'm going to have three or four cheat days over the month of December. And those are the parties or whatever it may be. And you pick those that you think are going to have the best opportunity for you to have a good cheat day with the foods that you want. And, you know, save one of those days for when you go to your grandmother's house or your parents' house or whoever it is that has that dessert that you have a tough time resisting. And then during the week, you really just work on eliminating the sugar and the processed foods to get you where you need to go.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and for a lot of you listening, that means, because it's even here, Troy, I mean, there'll be things in a lot of the kitchen, or the office kitchens, I should say, or even at home, and things will be given to you depending upon what your job is, and pretty soon you'll have this plethora of goodies kicking around, and And I'll be the first to admit it, Troy, in some cases it may not even be what you mostly desire. You're just having this sugar craving. So you're going to go ahead and just say, oh, it's a holidays. I'm going to go ahead and just kick that in anyways. Well, yeah, you're going to kick that in and you decide to start doing it, you know, maybe even two or three times a day. And pretty soon you do that for two weeks straight and the New Year's comes around. And oh, by the way, yeah, we had to eat grandma's pie because otherwise we hurt her feelings. And just now it's this whole, you know, we're this endless pit of sugar.
SPEAKER 07 :
There is no doubt about it. I mean, the little Christmas tree cakes, the Santa cookies, the peppermint ice cream, whatever it is that comes out this time of year, we love them and they're good. But I think we just have to really be very, very disciplined, like you said, because the sugar piece is so addictive. I mean, we've talked about it before.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and I know we've talked about it, you and I have, although we get different people that listen at different times and different days and so on, and people may not have heard us actually talk about this with you specifically. What generates those cravings in the first place, Troy? And then on top of that, when we succumb to those temptations, what happens?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, they've done lots of studies, and I think we mentioned this, And it shows that sugar lights up the same area of the brain that cocaine does for those who are addicted to cocaine. So it is truly addictive. So those cravings are exactly that.
SPEAKER 13 :
In other words, they are legit.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are very legit. And then to think about the other piece, which is, all right, I'm not going to do sugar. We'll do some kind of artificial sweetener. Well, those artificial sweeteners are 700 times sweeter than sugar. So they're created to create those cravings as well. So you may have the artificial sweetener, but you're still getting the calories and you're thinking you can eat more and more and more of it. But the old adage is you can't make an unhealthy food healthy by adding artificial sweeteners. So kind of get that out of your head. So if you're walking down the aisle and you see a peppermint ice cream that you love to have this time of year and one of those, and you see some kind of version that has sugar alcohols in it or artificial sweeteners in it, it's still going to have the calories and the fat that is not going to be good for you overall.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so in other words, be careful just because we feel like we may be, you know, quote-unquote, substituting the real sugar for some of these imitations that are out there. And my wife says this all the time. No offense, Troy, you might as well just have the sugar.
SPEAKER 07 :
That is true. The sugar actually is probably better for you in the long run. Now, the processed sugars that they throw into the processed foods, not so much. But if you're trying to choose between an artificial sweetener and the sugar itself, I think there are plenty of studies that show sugar is probably the better of the two alternatives. And really, it gets back to what you were saying is how do we minimize those cravings And I think it starts with just making sure that you're setting yourself up right by before you get to the dessert, by eating those things that are protein rich. We know that the more protein you have, the more stable your blood sugar is going to be. Therefore, you'll have less cravings for that sugar. Get those healthy fats, get high fiber in your in your system and you'll have less.
SPEAKER 13 :
craving for that sugar which is what we're all about how does our sugar intake you know we've talked about this before again but some folks may not have heard this how does that sugar intake affect our liver because we usually this time of the year hear more about you know alcohol and all of that and how that affects the liver nobody ever talks about how sugar is affecting the liver
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and I think a great way to look at it is to understand that alcohol basically turns straight to sugar. So sugar is really the detriment to the liver that alcohol is causing. So you've got to limit that sugar because it is just taxing your liver. Your liver is working overtime, especially this time of year, to try to regulate your insulin levels within your body. When we flood it with so much sugar, it gets to the point where it just can't keep up. And it can eventually, if we continue to pound it with sugar and alcohol, which turns to sugar, then we become insulin resistant, which then causes us to get to that point of being pre-diabetic or diabetic itself.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. And everything you just said, I had never really, even before you and I had talked about this whole liver thing before, never really had, I mean, you would think common sense, you put two and two together because you're exactly right. The alcohol just turns right to sugar, just like carbs do and so on. And we sort of I guess you could say, Troy, in a way we we either forget it or we choose to ignore it or we just haven't been educated enough, maybe along those lines. And, you know, I've talked about this. You know, the reality is and for all of you listening, please. Some of you know this. Some of you may not know this. The sugar lobby, some, Troy, 60 plus years ago, did a very good job in making us blame a lot of other things for bad health and not sugar because they wanted to, frankly, sell more sugar. And it becomes, to your point, it's an addiction. It's like a drug. They knew if they got you addicted, they would sell more of it. And so we've been sort of trained in a way, Troy, to where we really don't think sugar is as bad as it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
That is very, very true and well said because we have tricked ourselves into thinking that, hey, this isn't that bad, or if I do just a little bit of this, it's not going to lead to something down the road. But we've already talked about how we can start to have those cravings. Every processed food, every food that you get out of a package has added sugar in order to increase that addiction that we have to sugar, which then creates those cravings when we go somewhere and see that dessert. So it's all about setting it up correctly. And here's one good piece. It's not real good for me because I'm not a big chocolate guy. But they do suggest dark chocolate is a great alternative to chew on or to have at dinner because it does help reduce sugar cravings. Now, it's got to be a 70% chocolate level or cocoa level. So that's what you're looking for. And they say that that can help reduce sugar cravings. So that may be one option. positive to this whole conversation when we're looking to help reduce sugar.
SPEAKER 13 :
Like you, not my favorite. Chocolate's great. I'm one of those even, Troy, if I have the choice between vanilla ice cream and chocolate ice cream, I'll pick the vanilla all day long. It's just kind of me and my taste buds. It's not that I don't like chocolate, but if I have other options, you know, vanilla cake versus chocolate cake, for example, or, you know, white frosting versus dark frosting. I mean, I'm just more of that individual. So for me, it's not a huge deal. Downside is I'm not a huge dark chocolate fan because of that.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm right there with you. But for those who are, there's a little cheat for you. For you and I who don't like chocolate all that much, One way that we can satisfy our sugar cravings maybe during this time of year when we're not on our cheat days is find some blueberries, apples, pears, something along those lines that is a fruit that satisfies that sweetness, but it has all the other added benefits that go along with it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. All right. Talk to us about as we go through all of this, and we're going to do our very best to do things correctly. Have as little of all of this as we can, things you and I are talking about. I want to get into some of the supplements in a moment as well, but things are done because you and I probably won't talk now until January. So things are done. We've gotten through the holidays. How do we detox from all of this stuff?
SPEAKER 07 :
That is a great question, and as we go through this, I would suggest some of these same things that we're talking about detoxing afterwards that we're doing during this season as well. And the number one thing is to exercise. We know that exercising helps the liver really process all those sugars and other additives that we're getting in our food. So exercise is key. So do not take off two, three weeks during the Christmas season and not exercise. That's super important. So remember, Keep up the exercise. Limit your alcohol intake. So, you know, if you're wanting to have an alcoholic drink, that's great, but just limit it because we've already talked about how reducing that sugar is super important. So limiting alcohol. Reduce sugar intake after the season's over. Stay well hydrated. Get great sleep. And then eat those fiber-rich foods that we've talked about, like the fruits and vegetables and whole grains, because we know that all that supports your liver. And then the final thing is look to support your liver with some supplementation. So look for things that are going to help with methylation, which would be your B vitamins like folate and B12 and B6. and then other supplements like NAC or selenium or phosphatidylcholine. All those we know really just help your liver function a little bit better. So you want to look for things like that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Now, which, again, Centurion Labs. And really quick, Troy, before we move on, give folks the website, how they can actually find you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, you can go to centurionlabs.com, so it's C-E-N-T-U-R-I-O-N-L-A-B-S.com, or you can go to our podcast, which is called Frontline Health Podcast, and we talk about different things. like sugar and other health issues that are out there. And you can find that pretty much anywhere podcasts are found.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so we're going to do our best to eat correctly from now until really the end of the year because it goes through the first of the year with football games and all the other things that will happen. Frankly, it even goes on after that with the Super Bowl, et cetera. But we'll keep talking and keep people informed. on track. So we're going to be very mindful of all of this and make sure that we're monitoring our sugar intake. We're going to make sure that we continue to exercise and do the things that we would normally do along those lines. We're going to detox when we're all done and do some supplementation as well. What else should we be doing? In other words, as we're Maybe going through the holidays, and this was a suggestion from somebody that I interviewed last week. So those of you that maybe are drinking alcohol, for example, you drink a drink and then have a full glass of water. And then maybe if you want a second one, fine, after you've had that full drink of water. I guess, Troy, in a way, what you're doing, number one, you're slowing down that intake in general and giving your body some time to recuperate. Plus, we're hydrating very well, which alcohol, despite what people might think, doesn't hydrate you.
SPEAKER 07 :
It does not. And I think that is a great practical step that anybody can take when you're having alcohol because it will help hydrate, flush that out of your system a little bit faster and make sure that those toxins are getting out. And it'll help the liver just support that a little bit more where it's not going to be overtaxed with all the sugar that's in there.
SPEAKER 13 :
Is there any, and this may be a dumb question on my part, are there any supplements that help either break down the sugar faster and or keep those cravings at bay, or is it just because it's so addictive like cocaine that it is what it is?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I don't know if there are any supplements that will help reduce sugar cravings. Now, we know that there are supplements that, again, support the liver, but which helps break down that sugar a little bit faster and keeps it from being too taxed. So I would say I don't know if there are supplements specifically that would reduce sugar cravings. I tend to say probably not. But we do know that there are foods that can help reduce that because your – you're reducing some of the blood sugar levels and helping regulate that. So you can have that. I suppose if there is that going on with food, that there are probably some supplements that would help as well. I just don't know what they are on hand.
SPEAKER 13 :
Not to poke at the pharmaceutical companies, but my guess is, Troy, if there was even something, for example, a drug that people could take that would reduce sugar cravings, I'm guessing that one probably gets buried because the folks that sell sugar wouldn't want that.
SPEAKER 07 :
The folks that sell sugar wouldn't want that, and honestly, the folks that sell diabetes medication and other things probably wouldn't want it either.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I'm guessing that even if that existed, that's one of those things that probably gets bought and buried because nobody wants that out there, although it would be a huge benefit to a lot of individuals because it would change a lot of things that they do in their life health-wise. And again, Troy, I know this full well just from being down this journey myself. These things, to your point earlier, how we open up, they are very addictive. You can have withdrawals when you go off of sugar completely. In fact, my recommendation to folks is unless you can do cold turkey and handle some of the headaches and sweats and so on that come along with it, and yes, those things do happen when you're fully addicted to sugar. I know. I'm a testament to that some time. 15 years ago, Troy, so yes, I know those things exist when you come off of it, and the reality is if you're not able to do cold turkey, you've got to slowly wean yourself off, but that's also difficult.
SPEAKER 07 :
There really is no easy way to do it, and it takes discipline. I mean, it's an easy thing. I think we all recognize that we should just eat less sugar and We should look at labels. We should do those things. And it's not hard to do, but the discipline piece is where it comes in. And we all like the taste of sugar a lot more sometimes than we do the health benefits that go along with cutting it.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I will be sympathetic to a lot of folks because I'm somebody that loves food. In fact, my addiction, Troy, is that. I talked about this on another program I was on recently where I don't have a lot of other addictions, alcohol, et cetera. I don't abuse drugs, those sorts of things. Never have been a problem in my life. But I love food. Now, the difference is cocaine isn't on every street corner. Alcohol even, Troy, isn't on every street corner. But food is everywhere, and I have to have food to survive. And unfortunately, a lot of the foods that we get today in America contain some of the very things you and I are talking about that you want to get rid of. So the reality is those people that have food addictions, in my opinion, have it a whole lot worse than even folks that are addicted to cocaine and alcohol.
SPEAKER 07 :
I would totally agree with that from the standpoint of it is just hard to get away from it because it's so easy. And we're so busy that we may see a packaged food or we may see a fast food drive through as we're going by. And we think, you know what, I'm just going to slip in there real quick, grab it and go without really looking at the labels or understanding what's in it. to a greater extent, and that truly affects our health and can be devastating for us if that's all we're doing.
SPEAKER 13 :
Founder of Centurion Labs, Troy Duhl. Troy, have a really Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. I know we'll talk again first of the year, but thank you so much for all that you do. It's been a joy. The more we talk, the more I get to know you. I just appreciate your time and effort in coming on our program.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, I appreciate it and hope you guys have a great Christmas out that way as well.
SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
All right, real quick, Joe sent this in. One can of soda per day for a month equals four pounds of sugar. Just an FYI. Joe, thank you for sending me that, and you actually sent me what the sack of sugar looks like that you would be consuming with one soda per day for a month. I got all the tickets emailed, by the way. Thank you all very much for doing that. And by the way, We have great listeners. Not one person tried to cheat. So you guys are fabulous. I appreciate you very, very much. Have fun. Those of you that were able to get tickets, have fun at Gaylord of the Rockies. And by the way, there are some great deals. Even if you couldn't get in and get the tickets that we were giving away, I would still encourage you to go out there, take your family, have a great time. And if you have the ability to let them know that you heard about them through us, please do so as well. I would appreciate that. All right, Hour 2 is coming up next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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