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READY RADIO: 7th Annual Machine Gun Shoot benefiting Berthoud VFW (5-9-25) by John Rush
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SPEAKER 13 :
All right. It is a live program today, May the 9th. Ready Radio, our website, ready-radio.com. Thank you all for listening. We appreciate it very much. If you’re listening to a replay of today’s program, thank you for doing that as well. We have a couple of special guests joining us right now. Make sure I get my words out here correctly. We have got Craig Petroquin joining us and Neil Shaw. Guys, welcome. Let me start with you, Craig. Welcome.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, thank you. Thanks for having us on. That was pretty cool. Pledge of Allegiance to start the program. I love it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. Neil, welcome as well. Appreciate you joining us. Thank you for giving us some time to visit. You’re very welcome. All right. So, Craig, let’s start with you. Birth at VFW shoot coming up June 24th. I guess, first of all, give us a little synopsis of what’s going to happen that day and how folks can get involved.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure. Sure. I will start by just saying I’m the commander of the birthed VFW Post 12189 Specialist Gabriel Condi Memorial. I think, honestly, Neil is a little bit more your subject matter expert on… the events, how it’s going to play out. So I would like to turn that to Neil. That’s fine.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, we can do that. Neil, go ahead. Take it over. Absolutely. Hey, thank you much.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, the machine gun shoot is going to be June 14th from 9 to 2.
SPEAKER 13 :
So I had that wrong, Neil. I had in my notes the 24th. It’s the 14th instead? 14th. 14th. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Perfect.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. And out of great guns, out near none, and uh to uh you know just google it it’ll get you out there at least close enough all you have to do is open the car window and listen for it awesome but uh no whatever you get there we’re going to have a uh a safety brief uh by the range officer at nine sharp and then we’ll start shooting shortly after that there’s all sorts of guns out there there’ll be uh There’s a 1919 Browning, and it shoots .30-06 on a belt, and it’s a tripod mounted from World War I. There will be similar to M16s, all sorts of different kinds of weapons. If you’ve ever wanted to fire one, this is your time to do that. Or if you are a seasoned vet that has fired in the past, Please come on out. You know, a couple new things that we’re going to have this year is that Phoenix Weaponry, they’re going to be bringing out their new Tommy gun that they built their new shop.
SPEAKER 13 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it’s a fully automatic and shoots .45 caliber. And then we’ll have a three-gun shoot going. And the three-gun will be, of course, your shotgun, rifle, and pistol guns. and you’ll just go down the line, pick up your next weapon, and shoot at the targets.
SPEAKER 13 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think for the pistol, we’re going to also have a door set up where you break through the door and then shoot at the target on the other side. Nice. Those sorts of things are going to be what we’re going to be having fun with, and the invite is out there for anyone and everyone to come out. We have kids, I think about three years ago, we had a fifth grader out there with his parents, and he was shooting, And the folks from Phoenix, they are right behind everyone for the most part. And they’re holding their hand up against the shoulder so that it doesn’t crank out of control. And same with the youngsters. It’s a family affair, believe it or not. If you want to go play with machine guns as a family, this is the time to do it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Nice. Well, and as I’m reading here on the website, this is a benefit for the birthed VFW. And maybe, Craig, go back to you, given the fact that you’re more a part of that. This is a benefit. And at the end of the day, I’m assuming I know I’m learning more about this and where I talk to you guys and Aaron from Phoenix. But this is a big benefit for you guys, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
It is. It’s our main fundraiser for the year. And, you know, with the price of ammo, we can’t control that. So, obviously, we charge, you know, we uptick the ammo, and that’s how we raise our money. So if the prices per magazine are a little higher this year, it’s because we had to pay more money for the ammunition itself. But it is our main fundraiser. you know, with this type of money, it all goes back to local veterans and families need. Um, we don’t, we don’t take the money and, you know, uh, look at it in a pretty bank account. We get it back in the hands of veterans that need it. Um, we also take care of our community of birth that as a whole, even non-veterans, uh, we, you know, we will do like Christmas baskets, gift baskets for Thanksgiving and stuff like that. But, you know, I just wanted to point out, Neil, uh, is my quartermaster, and, you know, quartermasters pretty much run the whole post, so he did a good job representing the machine gun shoot. But I just wanted to say quickly, if I could, this might not be an event for that veteran like myself that used to hump our weapon systems and our ammunition miles and miles to the range and then shoot all day and hump it all back to the battalion or company area. But I will tell you that anybody who’s never shot a fully automatic pistol or a fully automatic rifle or how cool is a .30-06 belt fed, this is probably in the state of Colorado one of the last times with all the new builds that you’re going to get a chance to do this. So, yes, it’s a fundraiser. But, hey, let’s come out. We’re going to feed you. We’re going to barbecue up. And we’re going to feed you, and you’re going to shoot some weapon systems that you probably in your lifetime will never have the opportunity to ever do again.
SPEAKER 13 :
You are 100% correct on that. And, yeah, I would encourage all of you. I’ve had the opportunity in the past, not this variety, but I’ve had the opportunity in the past to shoot some fully automatic weapons. It’s, by the way, and Craig and Neil, and I’ll go to you, Craig, first. It’s unlike anything you’ve probably ever done before. It’s unique. It’s exhilarating. It gives you a respect for things. It also gives you an idea that what you see in the movies is probably very, very inaccurate because most of what you see in the movies and people shooting fully automatic weapons isn’t anywhere close to what it really is in real life, as you know, Craig. It’s why even our military has gone to a burst system at times and things like that on actual handheld weapons, because shooting a fully automatic weapon isn’t like it is in the movies, is it?
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s not. And, you know, unless you’re seasoned with an AK-47, which a lot of people think is a pretty cool and accurate weapon system, it’s not.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
It kind of recoils on you and it jumps up, you know, and so, you know, in the movies they make it look cool, but, you know, it’s fun to watch people, you know, lean into an AK and see what that does and how it pushes you back. But like Neil said, we got, you know, the best of the best. We got Aaron Casey and Phoenix Weaponry right behind the person. It’s safe. They don’t let it get unsafe. And so, you know, it’s going to push you back, but it’s exhilarating if you’ve never done it. And Aaron’s right there to make sure it. You’re having fun and you’re also staying safe. So we couldn’t thank Phoenix Weaponry and Aaron Casey enough. That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I’ve known them for a very, very long time. In fact, that’s who reached out to me to say, hey, can we get you guys on and give you a little bit of promotion? I’m like, absolutely. I have no problem doing this whatsoever. Happy to help you guys in any way we can. Neil, back to you. When it comes to the actual… event of the day, is there things that, and I know it’s on the website, but since people are listening and give them as much information now as we can, are there things they need to prepare for on the front site? Is there particular clothing they need to be thinking about? Do they need to bring safety glasses and earphones and things like that, or will some of that stuff be provided? How does that work?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, do bring safety glasses and ear protection for everyone that is on the firing line. I will have some vendors there as well, which are back behind the firing line, and those areas there, you don’t need to have ear protection for those areas. But, you know, as far as the weather, it’s in June, so it could be 90, 95 degrees out there, or it could be in the 45 to 50 degree range with rain. True. look out the window and see what it looks like before you leave home to come out to Great Guns.
SPEAKER 13 :
Now, I’ll go to you on this one too, Neal. Given that there’s a certain amount of prep that you guys have to do, how soon do people need to let you know, register and so on, that they’re coming? Because I’m assuming there’s a certain amount of ammunition, things like that, that you guys need to be ready for depending upon how many participants there are. So what’s our deadline look like on that, Neal?
SPEAKER 05 :
For the, you know, to come out and be a participant, we’re trying to get a head count early. You know, I’m going to be picking up hamburgers, hot dogs, drinks, that sort of thing, just a couple days prior. So I need to have a good head count for that. And as far as buying on site, a lot of people come in and they have, you know, four or five mags that they’ve bought. purchased maybe a bunch of .30-06 for the 1919. But we’ll have plenty of ammo out there, and we have not run short of ammo yet while we’re out there because we have a supply that will help us out. We saw quite a bit there on site. So just come out, but do sign up for the – Hamburgers and hot dogs, chips, and that kind of thing a couple days prior at least. so that we know who’s coming.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, great. Craig, going back to you, just as far as the actual, you know, the VFW, how all that works and so on, if there’s folks out there listening that may be wanting to take a part of that outside of even the shoot, maybe they live up in that area and they really don’t know much about this, but they’d like to partake or be a help. Maybe they’re not a veteran, but they’d still like to be involved. How do they do all of that, Craig?
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure. You know, obviously being a northern Colorado veteran, All of our major cities have veterans of foreign war. Our veterans of foreign war in Berthoud is named after Specialist Gabriel Condie. He was killed in action on April 30th in Afghanistan. He was part of the 3rd Battalion, 509th Infantry. And then May 11th of 2018, I was standing with my friend Ryan Armagost as Gabe’s body was brought through the town of Berthoud because he was a Berthoud graduate. His mom and dad, Bob and Donna Condie, live here in Berthoud. So Gabe’s body came through. They had a military procession, helicopter overhead, the whole nine. And Ryan and I have lost enough friends overseas that We didn’t know Gabe, but it rocked us. So we looked at each other and hugged it out and said, we got to do something. And that’s when we decided to start the birth of VFW Post 12189 Specialist Gabriel Condi Memorial. And so that’s us and birthed. You know, you’ve got VFW and Fort Collins and Greeley and Loveland and Longmont, Johnstown, all the big Northern Colorado towns have a VFW. If you’re a veteran and you’re not involved, I suggest you get involved. You know, we do some good stuff, not only for veterans. We take care of our own, but we’re also very active in the community and take care of the communities in which we live in. And that’s a huge part. That’s one of the pillars. You know, that’s what we are founded to do. Take care of ourselves. Take care of Americanism. Take care of patriotism. Take care of each other as Americans, and that’s what we try and do here in Berthoud.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, we appreciate you guys doing that. I’ve had a lot of things I’ve done, even special events, radio show-wise and so on, with several VFWs to your point, Craig, in our area. And, A, always have a great time, great people. I’ve never once been disappointed in any event I’ve ever attended at any of them, so I’ll give all of you guys that are doing that credit. You do a great job of all the things you just mentioned. And, Neil, back to you as far as this shoot goes. And I think I’m reading this right. Is this the seventh annual of this?
SPEAKER 05 :
It is. And Phoenix Weaponry has really been a fantastic sponsor. In fact, don’t go out and break four or five of the weapons out of the gun range. We pay nothing from the VFW, everything that is above the price of the ammo. is donated by Phoenix. And also a couple of the other folks that do help out is Unplanted Arms out of Windsor. And they bring out things like Uzi, things like that. And then Warriors Revolution out of Longmont. They got us all of the bulk ammo that we’ll be shooting out there. But, yeah, just come out and have fun.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, bottom line, for those of you listening, have fun. It is the 14th of June. Go right to the website. I’m going to put this into my show notes for today where you guys can just look at the link and click and go there, but it’s really easy to find. Craig, going back to you, is there a phone number? We have folks listening that sometimes have really great ability electronically and so on to do things. Others just like to pick up the phone and call. Is there a phone number that they can call if there’s more information they want?
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. I’ll just give my number because I don’t mind doing that. It’s an old Fort Carson number, so it’s a 719 area code, but I do live in Berthoud. My number is area code 719.
SPEAKER 13 :
6-4-9-9-3-2-0. Okay. I’ll put that in my show notes as well. Guys, I appreciate it very much. And, again, when Aaron reached out and said, hey, can we get a little bit of airtime here, help these guys out, and I’ve known Aaron, again, for a very long time and appreciate everything you said about him, by the way, spot on. And those of you listening, I can’t recommend enough. If you would like to have a custom weapon built especially for along those lines uh they don’t do it directly anymore they’ve got folks that they use to make that happen where they can get a gun delivered to you but you can definitely reach out find out exactly how that works best of all go up to the event on the 14th talk to all those guys that are going to be there to your point craig and neil there’ll be vendors there and so on so If you’re into guns or you just want to have a good time and do something that you’ve never done before, and to you guys’ point, probably might not be able to do again in the future, this is the opportunity. So, Craig, Neil, both of you guys, thank you so much for taking time for us today. I appreciate it greatly.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, sir. God bless.
SPEAKER 13 :
God bless you guys as well. You bet. Have a great rest of your day. Craig, Neil, Bo, thank you guys very much. And again, folks, you can actually just go to birthedvfw.com. So birthedvfw.com. And for those of you maybe that aren’t as familiar with birthed as others, it’s B-E-R-T-H-O-U-D. Birthed, Colorado, of course, but birthedvfw.com is the website. All right, I’ve got another special guest joining us once we take a break here. So don’t go anywhere. We’ll be right back. Our website, again, ready-radio.com. This is KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 13 :
All right, we are back. Ready Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. And Bill Forshton, William Forshton, I should say. Welcome back to Ready Radio. How are you doing, sir?
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m doing fine. And yourself?
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m doing well. Always a joy to have you. And you and I talked, I mean, I think one of the first times that we got together and had conversation, I asked you, will your series, you know, one second after, will that ever be made into a movie? And what I’m reading in front of me is yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. Yes, it is.
SPEAKER 13 :
That is awesome, actually.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s been through various options through the years, and finally, about three weeks ago, my film agent called me up, introduced me to the guy who’s going to be the producer. I’ve met the director, who was up here last week to take a look around, and We’re going to start filming most likely around September 15th.
SPEAKER 13 :
That is awesome. That is awesome. Now, we do movie reviews actually on my other program on Friday, so I’m not an expert when it comes to movies and the production of and how long it takes and so on. But given that we’re going to start, we, not me, but you guys are going to start this fall, how long does it actually take then to get it up onto the big screen?
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m hearing right now that it would be sometime in the spring.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. About six months. Okay. Awesome. Okay. Now, since the storyline and everything is written, here’s the other question I have for you, given that you’re the author and you’re the brainchild behind all of this. How true do they stick to that, or will they take some liberties, I guess I’m asking?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, we’ve been through four scripts. The first script was okay. The third script, I was contemplating drinking Strychnine and jumping off my porch. I’ll tell you one story. I sarcastically said at one point, why don’t you just throw a cruise ship in here and have the lights go out there and it could be a love boat from hell.
SPEAKER 13 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, but The fourth script has been really good. I like it very much. And as long as we’re sticking to that and talking with the director, spent an afternoon with him. he’s very dedicated to the original story. So I’m feeling up in it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, now, the other question I have on this for somebody like you, where you’re the main person behind all of this, how much, and you just talked about the scripts and being able to have some input into that and so on, do you get any input into the actual actors, actresses, people that will actually play parts and so on, or are you completely removed from that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah, I can advise all I want, but it ain’t going to go nowhere. Okay. I’m just happy we got a good script, got an excellent producer, darn good director. I’m told talent will be the male lead is being thought about right now, could be within a matter of days. Okay. So I’m optimistic that they’re going to stick with it.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right. Very cool. OK, so another thing I know nothing about. Once things get rolling, do you get to be there? Is this something that is completely, you know, your hands off? You’ve approved the script and now they take it and run with it. Or do you get any involvement after the fact?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I’ll tell you a funny story first. All right. After World War Two, studios started hiring big name authors to add prestige to their product. And one of them was Faulkner. Well, Faulkner was in the set of a movie with Howard Hawks called Land of the Pharaohs, which was an excellent movie. It scared the hell out of me as a kid where, in the end, the evil queen gets trapped inside the pyramid. Well, after a couple of weeks, he realized he wasn’t following his script at all. They were handing him a fake script. So he got up and he walked away and took the train back home. And it took about three weeks later before Faulkner turned around one day and said, I mean, Howard Hawks turned around and said, where the hell is that Faulkner guy? Amazing. Right now, they do want me on set for a while. I was just talking with my college president yesterday about taking a leave of absence for the month of September. And, you know, I’m not going to be out there the whole time, but I’ll be out there for part of it just to see what it’s like.
SPEAKER 13 :
Very interesting. Again, this is all fascinating, and I know, again, one of the first times we spoke, I asked that question because I am personally such a fan of the whole series. As you know, I’ve read, listened to, e-booked everything. I mean, I’ve done that numerous times. I’m not saying I could go back in and have every single thing that happened to every character memorized, but I got a really good grasp on that. You know, everything that happened. I’d be one of those where I’d be watching the movie saying, yeah, that’s right. No, that’s not right. Yeah, that’s right. I mean, that’s kind of, you know, you know me. I’ve done enough of this with you and have read enough of them that that I feel very, very fortunate to have a pretty good knowledge of the characters and so on. And I can’t wait. I’ll just be straight up honest. I can’t wait. I think. Personally, this is my view. It will get some folks involved in some of these stories and really get them thinking about things that, quite honestly, most would not be doing otherwise. That’s my take on it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, I’ve waited for so long for this. It’s been 15, 16 years. I’m confident. At this moment, that they’re going to do a fairly good job. Okay. So we’ll just see how it flows from there.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. And I’m sorry. I’ve interviewed you enough, and we’ve had enough conversation, and I almost feel like we’re close enough friends that I screwed up. I didn’t even mention that we could have new people listening today that have no idea what you and I are even talking about when it comes to one second after, what it’s about, and so on. So for those that maybe have just tuned in for the first time or even listening to a replay of this, What is One Second After about?
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. One Second After is about an EMP attack on the United States and what happens in a small town in North Carolina. So they talk about EMP for a minute. EMP is shorthand for electromagnetic pulse weapon. It’s created by lofting a small nuclear warhead, 40 to 60 kilotons, about four or five times the size of a Hiroshima bomb, above the Earth’s atmosphere. When it blows, it sets up something called the Compton effect. The gamma ray bursts from the bomb, hits the upper atmosphere, and sets up an electrostatic discharge. It cascades down to the Earth’s surface. The millions of miles of wiring that are out there are now antenna. All wires can be antennas as well. feeds into the electrical grid, creates an overload, blows the high-tension lines off the pylons, and shuts the generating systems down. It is a catastrophic scenario. Worst-case scenario would be three small such weapons over eastern, middle, and western United States. And to the next point, who would do something like that? I am very concerned about North Korea as a major player that could do it. or Iran. If Iran obtains a nuclear weapon, I will be screwed to death.
SPEAKER 13 :
And you and I have talked about this again in the past when we’ve had conversations one-on-one, and I’m like you. Between North Korea, Iran, and some other terrorist groups, keep in mind that there’s rogue terrorist groups running around that if they could somehow get their hand on Some of these things and some would say, well, gosh, how do you get those things launched? And wouldn’t you have to have some rockets and this, that and the other? You know, Bill, you and I both know that there are some crude ways where some terrorist groups could actually make that happen. And I don’t want to say that it’s not difficult, but it’s not as difficult as probably most think.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, one scenario I’ve seen is just loading a scud type missile into a container ship. get off the Gulf of America near New Orleans, launch that weapon, goes up, gets up to that 150 to 200-mile range, and blow the weapon. So there’s a lot of different ways this could happen. And let me add, China and Russia are not on my watch list because it’s quid pro quo. If they ever did it to us, we would do it to them. Right. But someone like North Korea, run by a madman,
SPEAKER 13 :
They’ve got nothing to lose. Yeah, they’ve got nothing to lose. I mean, I’m with you. When you look at Russia and China and even the trade, and right now we’re going through tariffs and things along those lines, and the reality is I think China is – I think they’ve understood all along, but I think they’re really starting to understand right now, Bill, we are their largest customer, and don’t tick off your largest customer because it’s liable to cost you dearly. To your point, the reality is not only would it be quid pro quo as far as the EMP goes – the reality is they need us. They need us more than we need them, and I think they’re really starting to realize that now.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, when we look at Iran, Iran for years has consistently called us the great Satan, and Israel is the lesser Satan. Iran puts out propaganda films showing them doing an EMP on the United States, and they’re all dancing in the streets and laughing. These people are crazy. If you look, you know, Just look at the kids that took over the college campuses over the last couple of days, screaming, you know, no justice, no peace from Atlanta. They’re talking about annihilating Israel. And that falls right into the hands of the terrorists. They want to annihilate Israel. If annihilating helps them, then so be it.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s right. You are spot on. And I am right with you on that. And I know there’s folks that would say, oh, you know, the chance of an EMP is pretty slim. And, you know, maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I’m with you, though. My fear is of those individuals that you were talking about. And you talk North Korea, that’s kind of a separate subject. subject even from these terrorist groups, although I look at them very much the same way. And the reality is North Korea has nothing to lose. I mean, let’s face it, they are a very stone-cold country that cares nothing about those that are around them. And by the way, I think at the end of the day, if they were the only one left standing, they wouldn’t care.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, an analogy I give is this. Suppose I started hearing gunfire from my neighbor’s yard. And I went over and took a look, and he’s got a picture of me and my daughter and my fiance up, and he’s shooting us, you know, pictures of us. I’m going to take that damn serious. Right. Right. That’s a crazy person. And I rant every single day just putting out this type of propaganda. And if you look at Sharia law and such, I don’t want to go segue.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, you’re right. You’re right. I talk about it on my daily show. You’re correct. I know exactly what you’re saying. Absolutely. They want us dead. That’s right. We are the infidels, and in their world, you’re either for them or against them. There’s no in-between. There’s no middle ground.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Exactly. And anyone who’s going around saying queers for Palestine, such useful idiots.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, my word. Yeah, we have people. Yeah. Don’t get me started. But before I forget, because Charlie wanted me to ask you this before we got too far into the conversation today. And this this could apply to what we’re talking about in regards to, you know, the series, the one second after series, the movies and so on. But A.I., have you written or done anything at all when it comes to A.I. and even fitting some of that into some of these storylines?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, you know, it’s been a year and a half since I finished my last book. I’m still kind of on sabbatical. Actually, I know very little about AI other than the fact that I teach college. And over the last year or so, I don’t even assign papers anymore. Because even if 90% of my kids take the pledge, somebody out there is going to use AI and students have shown what AI can do on a college paper. It’s a hopeless battle. So I trade in, excuse me, alternate methods now, but I know very little about AI. I wouldn’t feel confident writing about it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. No, that was just a question that we had because the type of things that you write about and some of the what-ifs and some of those scenarios and so on, it was just a question that Charlie and I had, and I appreciate your honesty. It’s something that I continue to learn. I guess mainly, Bill, because of the chair that I sit in, the fact that I get to interview all sorts of different people across the globe, actually not even here in this country, but across the globe. It’s something that I keep learning more and more about. And I will tell you that one side of it, and I believe it is a tool, and it’s just like anything else. It can be a tool that is used for good, and it can be a tool that is used for evil. And let’s just hope that it’s more on the good side than the evil side. That’s probably my best synopsis.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. I’m glad it wasn’t around when I wrote my doctoral dissertation 30 years ago. I mean, I had to do it the old-fashioned way, and I learned by doing it. I hate to see what’s happening in the dissertations today.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and you and I both, I mean, well, you’re older than I am, but I’m still young enough where when I grew up, there were typewriters, and we thought the Selectric from IBM was a big improvement. Let’s just say that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah. My first book was written on one like that.
SPEAKER 13 :
There you go. So I can remember those days as well. Okay, real quick, going back to EMPs. This is something else that you and I talk about, and I get differences of opinions. I’ll even get different folks that will email and text me in because, as you know, there is all sorts of different – of feelings and opinions on what an EMP would actually do electronically speaking, even related to cars and things like that. And I’m a car guy, as you know, and I am one that feels that very, very, very few modern cars, if any, will run after an emp because to your point earlier everything becomes an antenna and i know there’s theories out there that well you know the car’s got this and it’s it’s grounded and it’s a dc system and it’s got rubber tires and this that and the other uh yeah at the end of the day bill my feeling is doesn’t matter there are still a lot of electronics that are inside of that vehicle there’s a ton of wiring in a car that is all feeding back into those particular areas And the reality is I don’t think at the end of the day any of those systems will work after an EMP.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, I just watched a little documentary, 15-minute documentary. And this guy thought the guy was going to rip me up a bit. It was five common myths about EMP. And I thought, oh, no, here it comes. He’s going to go after me. In fact, he agreed with me on almost everything, that it’s true. But when it came to cars, he said 10 to 20 percent.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think I’ve seen that same video, Bill, and even have recapped that here. And I’ll just say straight up, he’s wrong.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, even if he was right. OK, what’s the major interstate going through Denver at 5 o’clock?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, we have I-70 and I-25. We are a crossroads. We actually have two major ones going through town.
SPEAKER 08 :
So 10% of the cars suddenly stop rolling. What happens to the other 90%?
SPEAKER 13 :
They’re gridlocked, too, because they’re not going anywhere. In fact, in this town, Bill, you and I both know when one car stops in the middle of the interstate, it creates accidents and total gridlock. So the reality is 10% would still be a catastrophe.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then even if you were able to get your car off the road and you pull up to the gas station, let’s say you’re still running, but the gas station is no longer pumping.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, maybe they can pump it, but then there’s 500 people lined up to get gas.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and I will tell you straight up, knowing – and I’m not trying to be rude here by any means, Bill or anybody listening – The attendants that are at these stations, Bill, they’re doing good to ring up your candy bar. If you think for a second they’re going to somehow round up a hand pump somewhere in that convenience store, go out, even get the lid open on any of the actual fuel tanks that are in the ground, and then start pumping you fuel, let me just say this, Bill, good luck.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, we had a gas crunch here about four or five years back. And one of my students was, you know, working in the convenience store. And she quit on day two because cars were lined up to get the little gas that was there. And she said, somebody pull the knife out. Cut the line and pull the knife out. She said, that’s it. I’m gone. I can’t blame her. it would turn into total chaos. Absolutely. It maybe worked for a while.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, no, and you bring up a great point. Let’s say, for example, this particular, you know, denier, I don’t know how else to say it, but, you know, denier and probably doesn’t know cars like I do. And let me explain for all of you listening where you’re thinking, well, John, you know, yeah, we know you’re a car guy. We know you’ve been doing this for, you know, the majority of your life and so on. Bill, let me just give you an example. I know for a fact that most of the modern vehicles on the road, and the reason why even on my daily – I do a weekend program called Drive Radio where we get people to call in. It’s three hours. They ask questions, and we give out tips and tricks and different things. And, you know, how do you do this? How do you do that? How do you maintain this? And so on. And the one thing that we have done now for the last decade, and I’m not exaggerating, is throw your jumper cables away. We do not advise anybody at all anymore to carry jumper cables because the risk – of you getting a jump and having the terminals backwards. And even that bill alone can wipe out the electronics on a new car and get very, very expensive to fix. So we have recommended people start throwing their jumper cables away. So just knowing that, tell me how an EMP isn’t going to affect the same vehicle.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. Did you ever see the DOD study where they did take about 40 cars and tested them against EMP? And do you know the punchline, what happened, why they stopped the study?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think you and I have talked about this, and I’ve had other guests as well. In fact, I think one of the persons involved in that study years ago I interviewed, the problem is they were rental cars, and they were starting to destroy them, and they had to take them back.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, government efficiency. They didn’t take 40 cars off a fleet that were being retired. Oh, no, they had to go out and rent 40 cars. And then, oh, my God, we don’t want to bust them, so send them back.
SPEAKER 13 :
So what they did, and make sure that I’m saying this right, Bill, they started tempering back what the EMP was supposed to do when things started to go awry, so it really wasn’t a true test. Am I correct? Absolutely. Yes. OK. Yeah. All the more proving that, you know, all of these little, you know, computers, modules, boards, chips and so on. And by the way, for all of you listening, and I think, Bill, you would know this as well. All it takes on. We all know this from appliances to cars to anything. One malfunction of a board alone. You don’t have to wipe the entire thing out. Just one malfunction. That thing’s not working any longer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly, like my TV in the lightning storm a year ago. And just throw the whole TV out. It’s cheaper just to throw the whole TV out and buy a new ATH TV.
SPEAKER 13 :
So let’s go back to this analysis of what this guy said, that there’s only going to be about 10% to 20% of vehicles affected. Let’s say it’s my number. And I’m going to tell you that 90% of the roadways will be affected. Bill, it will be not pandemonium like 10%. It will be way worse because most people won’t even be getting the vehicle that’s in the garage out if they happen to be at home. Most people will have vehicles. There will literally be gridlock. Every single place you can imagine, especially, and if I were somebody doing this, I would figure out the best time of the day over the United States of America to release these, and I would be doing it in either morning rush hour traffic, or in my case, I would do it in evening rush hour traffic, knowing that you’re heading into darkness right afterwards. If you want to cause pandemonium, that’s what I would do. So reality is, if you gridlocked 80% to 90% of the vehicles on the road across the country, we’re done, Bill. We’re done.
SPEAKER 08 :
And do it on either a winter day or a scorching hot day.
SPEAKER 13 :
Hot summer day, one of the two, absolutely. Yep, me too. You do that. You take a hot, scorching day, middle of July. In fact, if it were me, I’m not giving anybody any ideas because they all know this anyways, Bill. If I were going to do something in America along those lines, there’s but a couple of days throughout the year I would do that, one of them being July 3rd. Yes. Because everybody’s headed out of town for July 4th. Mm-hmm. So if you’re going to do something, the eve of July 4th is when I would launch one.
SPEAKER 08 :
And how many of us are in shape enough that if we’re 15 miles from home when all this happens, we’re capable of even just walking the 15 miles back, let alone evading everything that’s starting to go down?
SPEAKER 13 :
I would probably use that guy’s numbers on cars and tell you only 10 to 20 percent of people are ready for that. Mm hmm. Exactly. So you go back to that. And I was I was going to say something in the day because I was watching a video that a listener sent me earlier today talking about when the looting starts to happen. What do you do? Because that’s the other thing that will happen in all of this bill.
SPEAKER 08 :
You can expect chaos within a matter of hours. You know, I’ve said it with you before. There’s like a Maslow hierarchy of needs in terms of society. And electricity. You lose the electricity, you lose your water immediately. That means you’ve got problems. Average food supply is 20 days on hand or in the market. A fair part of it refrigerated. That’s gone. Command and control, that’s obviously gone. Nursing homes without medication after only one to two days. Pharmacies without electricity, they’re no longer functioning. Put all that together, and I think the studies are accurate. that 80 to 90% of us would be dead within a year.
SPEAKER 13 :
One thing that I did do since the last time we talked, because we were talking at one point, nobody really ever talks about our water intake and exit, the sewer system in a lot of municipalities across the country. And so I did a little bit of research, had some folks volunteer, and I actually had the opportunity to talk to somebody, Bill, and interview them that actually works at a treatment plant. And really getting down to the nitty-gritty of, okay, how long… Would the treatment plant stay online until at some point either wastewater just has to start getting released into the stream that they’re nearby and or things start backing up in the system? And it’s kind of an either or, depending upon whether there’s people to actually stay in. And, man, and a lot of them do have generation facilities. I did ask the question, are they hardened? No one knows. I can’t get a direct answer on that as to whether these folks have these things, you know, these generators actually hardened. How much fuel do they have on hand and so on. At best, Bill, in the ideal scenario where there is some generation backup and there will be people there that will stay, and to me that’s even debatable because they’re going to want to go be with their families. At the end of the day, let’s say there’s some single folks. They’ve got the ability to hang out. They do have a hardened generator. They’ve got enough fuel. And all of that’s going to take place still 30 days before things start backing up or flowing into the river.
SPEAKER 08 :
And the whole thing about personnel showing up, what percentage of personnel? I can remember a bad hurricane of 20-odd years ago, nursing home where my father was at called me up. Three-quarters of the staff didn’t show up because they couldn’t even get on the roads because the roads were all blocked.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I wanted help, and I finally had to go downtown to a water supply. And I’d already gotten a brawl because I asked for 50 gallons of water, and people all started yelling at me that I was trying to scam the system. I said, no, I’m from the nursing home just up the road. And that was a big breakdown after only 12 hours. Now, I’m right in the middle of what got wiped out last September 27th with Helene. That’s right. And I saw a lot of stuff. I mean, we had an incredible turnout of volunteer helpers. But then again, remember, Helene ultimately was a small local event. Yeah, it affected western North Carolina. But the guys who hooked up my electricity after five, six weeks, they were from Quebec. We had power companies coming in from all over the country to help us set up. We were ultimately a small local event. Imagine a national level event. where help is not coming from anywhere.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and by the way, this EMP, for all of you listening, would affect not only us, probably would go down into Mexico, most likely would go up into Canada since most of their population lives 30 miles from the border, Bill, as you know. So the reality is, you’re right, there is no help coming, and everybody that’s involved in this is now wanting to get home to take care of their own situation, their own family. Yeah, there might be some single folk running around that would stay on post and do what they need to do, but Bill, even that’s only going to last X amount of time. Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, once things start to break down, it becomes my family before everything else.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, back to the movie, because that’s really what we had John here today for. For those of you listening, they’re going to turn one second after into a movie. So I guess the question for you, Bill, is, and I know you may or may not know this, but is there plans, if this one does well, will they make sequels out of the other books you’ve wrote along those lines as well?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there’s a couple of differences. They’re actually making this as a mainstream release to theater film. Okay. Is that going to happen next spring? I don’t know. Let’s just say it just winds up on Netflix. If it’s a big enough hit there, then, of course, they will be making the sequels. So that’s in the future. The movie only deals with book number one, and we have three other books behind it that could be done in the years after that. Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
As you know, I’m super excited. I think it’s great. I mean, to me, these are things that not only could people watch for the entertainment value, but for me personally, I think you know my heart, I would hope people would watch it and pull something away saying, oh… Wow. I’m learning some things that I didn’t know before. And, you know, I need to go and do some preparedness on my end. And I know everybody can do that at a different level. I talk about that here weekly, Bill. And, you know, everybody’s got different abilities to do things. I think folks need to be prepared one way or the other for. for all sorts of things, by the way, even for bad weather events like what you guys went through last year. Bottom line, folks need to be prepared no matter what. But I would hope that they would sit and watch a movie and at the end of that say, wow, I am unprepared and I need to do something about it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, if there’s something I’m obsessed about with this, and I’ve been hearing this all along from my film agent and now from the producer and such, I want an accurate, an accurate movie, not some damn Hollywood flock. Right. I want an accurate movie because I see that as an educational tool as well. If people walking away from that movie go, darn, that scared the hell out of me. Now what do I do? Well, maybe people will then take the next step. Start checking supplies. Every person should have a month’s worth of supplies on hand just as a starter. Absolutely. Because that will keep you off the street with your family and safe rather than going out there to try and find a hamburger or a gallon of water when chaos is starting to break out.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and I think what you guys went through, you know, back on the East Coast, Carolinas and such, I think that what you guys went through is even a great example of that. And that wasn’t even an EMP. That was a natural disaster.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, a couple of days after it happened, well, you know, I’m friends with Newt Gingrich. And Newt called me up and asked, you know, for my sort of view of what was happening and such. Well, it finally wound up. They sent a helicopter for me to fly down to Hickory where the helicopters, 75 helicopters, were organized to start moving supplies up here. So I got an aerial view of it. It was heartbreaking. It was to fly over Hickory. My old neighborhoods and the towns and everything else, just totally gone. Just gone. Wow.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know? I can’t imagine. I mean, we’ve seen some sorts of devastation along those lines here in Colorado with some flooding, but nothing, nothing compares to that at all here.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, okay. It sounds like a rich man’s complaint. I used to own an airplane, a World War II recon. Yeah. That was in a hangar under 15 feet of water. The entire airport, everything, $6 million worth of aircraft were just totally destroyed. Wow. So sad. It was just all the way as junk. Yeah. Mine was an original bird made in 1942. Wow.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s gone. Wow. So sad. I mean, those are the things that happen. And I think… I think, Bill, you’re bringing up some great points, which is, hey, it could be an EMP or it could just be something like what you guys went through there. For us here, it could be a really, really bad snowstorm. We get flooding here in Colorado. We have tornadoes and things like that. Bottom line, you know, all it takes is one large event knocking a lot of things out. And as you know, Bill, the vast majority of people are not prepared and then panic sets in.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, look what happened to Texas four or five years ago. They came with an airship. of the entire grid starting to go offline because it was overloaded and shutting down. That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so really quick before I let you go, going back to the movie, I’m assuming you’ll give us some updates. I can have you back on as we get closer. We’ll know more about when there will be some release dates and things like that, I assume?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, my time is yours. If you want to run a couple extra minutes, fine with me. But yes, of course, I’ll be updating. I’ll be putting notices out and such, and my publicist will be doing that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Well, I’ll tell you what. We’ll just have you back. I’m up against a break. We’ve got to take a break anyways. I’ll let you go. I always want to honor your time, Bill. I just always feel like I’m talking to an old friend when you’re with us, and I appreciate you greatly. I love your books. I love everything you’ve done. And for those of you listening, you can find these books literally pretty much anywhere, but Amazon especially. And Bill’s last name is Forschen. It’s F-O-R-S-T-C-H-E-N. But if you just look up one second after, you’ll find it. And, Bill, again, I appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 08 :
God bless you, and as always, God bless and protect these United States.
SPEAKER 13 :
Amen. Appreciate you, Bill. Thank you very much. Bye now. You bet. Have a great night. And, again, a great author. He has done a lot of things, by the way, even outside of these particular series. But, folks, we don’t often get to talk to people like him that have some of the connections that he has, as you just heard him talking about a moment ago. And I feel very blessed that we’ve got a pretty good relationship with Bill. And any time I ask to have him on, I literally asked to have Bill on yesterday at about 2 o’clock in the afternoon, and he’s with us today. So literally that press release came out, and I was able to get him on that quickly. He’s always so gracious to us, and I’m very, very thankful for that. So stay tuned. We’ll be right back. Ready-radio.com is the website, and this is KLZ 560.
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