With Guest Host Pastor Bill Anderson and Protection Dog Trainer Jordan Henderson
SPEAKER 04 :
This is Ready Radio, preparing you to be ready for anything, now. Here’s your survival guide for Ready Radio, John Rush.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hello, Denver, and this is Ready Radio. Today we have a live show. You can call in at 303-477-5600 or the text line 307-200-8222. Filling in for John, I am your preparedness pastor, your modern day Noah, Bill Anderson. And today we have with us Mr. Jordan Henderson. Jordan, how you doing?
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m doing well, Bill. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I’m doing well. It’s 80 degrees yesterday, and I don’t even know if we’ve broken 30 today. What a quick change of events with weather, huh?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah. It’s Colorado weather, man. It’s Colorado weather. So got to be ready for everything out here.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, that’s a great topic. Ready. Be ready for everything. That’s kind of the theme of the show here. So Jordan is our protection dog trainer. So we have a personal protection dog trainer. Kind of got into it not knowing what we were getting. We bought this dog. And, you know, kind of like, oh, no, what do we do? And then my wife was looking on Facebook and she saw this young man that we have known for quite some time. He was part of the church that we went to a long time ago in Castle Rock. And he was very young, about knee high to a grasshopper, I would say. Him and my oldest daughter at the same age. and she saw that he was training dogs, and so she took a picture of this dog and sends it over to him and says, do you know anything about these dogs? And he says, well, interesting enough, and you can take the story from here, Jordan.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it was funny. When I was reading the text messages, I was actually on a flight to go work some protection dogs out in California, and I looked down at my feet, and I had my Belgian Malinois Atlas, my oldest one, sitting at my feet and I think I text her back something like, yeah, I think I’ve heard of them. So they are the most extreme breed of dog on the planet. I mean, the history of the Belgian Malinois is that essentially herders, people who needed working dogs for herding, they got tired of feeding them. so many dogs and breaking so many dogs that eventually they bred a dog that could just go all day so they could keep half the dogs beat half the dogs and get the same amount of work out of them so they’re little energizer bunnies uh with teeth so yeah and super smart too i remember um you know where we’re still training her but uh it’s probably been the easiest dog we’ve actually trained believe it or not even though it’s been the hardest dog we’ve trained Oh yeah, absolutely. It’s a lot of work. I mean, the blood, sweat, and tears aspect of it is more than any other dog you’ll have. But as far as their willingness to work, their trainability is really high because they are always ready to learn something new, and they’ll just work for you all day. So in that aspect, they are easy to train. They’re just not easy to live with is really your main issue if you want a working dog. And, I mean, I say not easy to live with by, I would say, modern Western standards, specifically here in the U.S., you know, the main job of a dog – really in this modern society has become companionship. So mainly people just keep dogs for companionship and we’ve kind of grown a little bit out of touch with what it is to have a dog that is actually helping us do our daily tasks and upgrade our survivability.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and that’s what we’ll eventually get to here. But why don’t you just, for the sake of people who don’t know this world and especially don’t know who you are, tell us a little bit about your credentials and what you have done. And I mean, you tell us stuff. We were just with you last night. You tell us stuff. And I’m just like, what? You did what? You were what? What? It’s just crazy.
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You’ve got quite the crazy story.
SPEAKER 11 :
But, you know, we’ll get into that a little bit later. But, you know, what got you started in this? And, you know, who are you in this world?
SPEAKER 08 :
yeah for sure so i own a company called incantante canine we are located in arvada colorado really overall we are a one-stop shop for everything dogs and dog training i am a graduate of napopo gold school which napopo is a trademarked dog training system founded by bart and michael ballone And, um, that is really the system of dog training that I predominantly train in now. Uh, even though I came up through the ranks, you know, just like most of the people in this world, you know, watching Cesar Milan videos and reading his books and, uh, our training techniques have really, really evolved over time. Um, And we really do anything from your normal pet dog stuff, teaching Fluffy how to go to its place bed and not bark at the doorbell, all the way to military law enforcement dogs, apprehension canines, detection and tracking, dual purpose, anti-poaching canines in Southern Africa, and sport dogs. here for civilian personal protection dogs. So I am a certified decoy in two sports, one being called PSA and the other being called Canine Street League. Those are really the predominant sports here in the United States for protection dogs. So outside of, you know, your everyday sports, Working dog, law enforcement canines who are doing the job out there on the streets every day, and the anti-poaching units down in southern Africa who are apprehending poachers. A lot of people that we work with, it’s a hobby to them to go on a sport field and earn points. But we also do family and personal protection dogs. for civilians as well. So the distinction there is apprehension is more of an offensive tool for law enforcement and military, and then protection is more what we call the civilian aspect of it. But as for the road that got me here, I work with People, you know, we work internationally. I mean, we have a few different international seminars coming up here. We did a few international seminars last year, and we have contacts all around the U.S., out in California and in Florida predominantly. Um, but as, as far as how I got into this, it was a hobby jobby job progression for me. I mean, you brought up, you know, how you’ve known me since I was very young back. I remember back then, just in my teenage years, I was, I was training my, uh, mom’s friends, dogs, you know, for, for five bucks, you know? Um, and it was just kind of a little hobby. I enjoy doing agility work with my own dog. And then it started kind of progressing to where I did make it my full-time career path after I started having kids. Before that, I was a wildlife naturalist, and I was a marine wildlife naturalist in Kaikōura, New Zealand. And so my specialty when I was a naturalist was predators, so it was kind of a natural progression to move into the whole protection dog thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Got it. Yeah. So quite the story there. So why would somebody explain to me the difference between a pet dog and a working dog? And why would somebody want a pet dog or a working dog? Or is there such a thing as, hey, can I have a little bit of both?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah. That’s a great question. It’s an interesting question as well, because that question really only exists with my clients who are in the U.S., and it really just shows kind of the cultural difference. I mean, we were just down this past June working in Kenya, and it was a very interesting thing. I was talking to them out there, some of the Maasai that we were staying with, and I was kind of telling them, trying to explain to them my job, right, because I was like, I’m a dog trainer, and they’re like, what kind of job is that, dude? Dogs don’t need trained, you know? Because their dogs down there are both their pet dogs. It’s the dogs that they feed and that sleep outside the house. And the predominant job of those dogs is they keep the village safe from hyenas. There were multiple nights where we would hear the hyenas come in and the dogs would just spin up. And somebody would come out with a flashlight and see and make sure what it was. They try not to send the dogs after, like, leopards because they’ll get messed up. But they’ll come out, see that there was hyenas, and just give them a command, and the dogs just in a whole pack go and protect the village. And it was interesting, as I explained my job, the pet dog side of things. Um, I, I was telling them, you know, my main job is to teach people, um, how to help their dogs stop pulling on the leash, how to not bark at, um, other dogs and strangers and how to like not bite people and all of that stuff, all the normal pet dog stuff that we do and they, and, and how to like live in the house nicely. And he goes, then why do these people even want a dog? He said, you know, why have a dog if it can’t bark and warn you of danger and bite people who aren’t supposed to be there and la, la, la. And it got me thinking it was just an interesting conversation. But, yeah, I mean, in the U.S., we definitely have a huge desire. And I look at it a little bit differently. I don’t really make the distinction between pet dog and working dog. I believe that humans, since the dawn of time, have been living alongside dogs, and we have just used dogs and bred certain traits into dogs to help us live whatever lifestyle we are living in that moment. When we were nomadic, we were breeding for animals. sled and cart pulling dogs. We started using dogs for hunting purposes. I mean, as the firearms modernized, then we started realizing, okay, we don’t have to send the dog after prey. We can actually just shoot the prey and then we can breed retrievers to go get us the prey so we don’t have to walk in the swamps. To me, all dogs are working dogs. There is just a very distinguished job that is very common in the U.S. right now, and that job is to be a good working companion because it is a lot of work. And that’s kind of the mindset from which I train pet dogs is, hey, your job is to be a good pet dog and to do all of the things that a good pet dog does. So you’re supposed to be flat. You’re not supposed to bark at the doorbell. Please don’t be reactive to other dogs. I want to be able to bring you out to the patio. I want to be able to bring you to the kitchen. the dog park and, and, and go and hang out with you. And you just do a very good job at that. So then kind of what we’re talking about now is, is, is the protection dog, like you brought up a protection dog. Your job is to protect myself and my family in specific scenarios or situations that may present themselves. And so you need to be very good at finding people, biting them and letting go when I tell you to. And the reality is, The job description of a dog that is very good at those things does not make them very good at the other job description, which is being not too extra in the house because these dogs need a very high level of drive and confidence and ignition for us to find any type of success in that job. So is there such thing as a good pet dog and a good protection dog in the same dog? I don’t think so, but there is this thing that we call a switch, which is kind of that on and off switch. Some dogs have it, some dogs don’t. I find it’s mainly genetic, even though some of it we can nurture. But, I mean, I have a few different protection dogs currently, and out of those dogs, two of mine have a pretty good off switch. and can and do live in the house with my family. And one of them is not a very good family protection dog and that is because she doesn’t have a good off switch so even within the the job description of working dog you know we have different goals for those dogs so just just to mention I mean Atlas is somewhere lumbering around the house hanging out with my family right now because something that I frequently say it’s not a very good family protection dog if it can’t be around your family so that is a key trait that we need for a family protection dog So Shenzi, my other dog, you know, she is a sport dog. She is my dog that I take out. And for the hobby of doing sport, she is very good at finding people. She’s very good at biting people. She’s not very good at hanging out on the place bed in the house and not destroying the house. So her lifestyle is a bit different and is more closely related to what you see when you look at like military working dogs and stuff like that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I remember one time being at your house, and I was like, hey, Jordan, I need to use the restroom. And you’re like, well, go in the house. And I’m like, uh-uh. I’m not going in unannounced with your dog sitting on the couch. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it’s, you know, I think we’re okay with her now, but I still always am a little hesitant, especially when you hand me the leash of your other dogs. I’m like, I’m not sure about this.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I have to think twice, too. She’ll be barking at me, lighting up, and I have to let her know, like, hey, it’s me. Don’t don’t eat me, please. Yeah.
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And, you know, I think the struggle I’ve had, even since we’ve had our little dog and, you know, you know, the the dynamics of of what we’ve got going on. And and it’s a real struggle for for people who don’t get it. to make that mental switch of, no, this isn’t, you know, fluffy on the couch. This isn’t, you know, the idea of what you described as a pet dog, right? This dog has a purpose and the dog wants to be used for its purpose. It’s, you know, that’s what it’s there for. And I think the dog is much more happier when it’s fulfilling its role of what it was, you know, created to be. And, but you got that dynamic. And whenever I have some people come over the house and they’re like, oh, can we pet your dog? And I’m like, no, please don’t. And they’re like, oh, that’s so mean. Or they’re trying to give them, you know, we’ll have like people over for a picnic or something, you know, like a barbecue or something. And they’re trying to give the dog the food scraps. And I’m like, please don’t. Oh, but he’s hungry or she’s hungry. And I’m like, no, because I’m going to deal with that dog throwing up for the next two days because you gave her that. And it’s like it’s really hard, especially with family, you know. And so, I mean, can you talk about that a little bit? Because I think, you know, you probably got a mixed audience here of people going, yeah, I get it. And you got other people going, man, that’s just cruel to the animal.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it’s a good point. It comes up a lot in this field. There is a heavy aspect where these dogs are used as tools, and that kind of verbiage, I think, might offset a lot of people or trigger them into feeling a certain type of way when we say the dog is a tool. However, understand I take very good care of my tools and when I say the dog is a tool, dogs have always been that, right? Currently, in the current mind state, I mean it goes into kind of the conversation we just had, the companion dog and the petting of them and the overfeeding of them and the laying on the couch and the not doing too much and they’re getting obese and they’re too scared to do anything for themselves. I mean you’re using, you’re also using that dog as a tool. And that dog is a tool for your own mental health and sanity and companionship, which is an important thing to us humans. And I think that all dwindles down to choose the right breed. It’s very unfortunate and it is a common thing I see with all types of dogs. The simplicity is like, hey, you chose the wrong breed for the type of lifestyle that you live. I’m not just talking about, hey, don’t get a greyhound if you’re not a runner. It’s not as simple as that. It’s a lot of people choose their dog based off of paint job and they think it looks good. The traits and the temperaments underneath the hood, it’s like you don’t want, you didn’t want that engine, right? So don’t choose a dog off of the paint job, right? It can be as simple as, and I’m sure we’ll get into, you know, all the different jobs of dogs. But, I mean, I worked with someone who had a great Pyrenees from Working Lines, Livestock Guarding Working Lines, really nice dog. They got it as a young puppy, and they brought it to me because they lived in an apartment, which, first of all, that’s a huge dog to have in an apartment just right off the bat. But this dog, their main problem was, I don’t know what’s wrong with him. He wants to kill all the dogs in our apartment complex. And it’s like I just had to start by making them acknowledge, like, yeah, good dog. That is what it was bred to do. That dog has been bred for the past thousand years. to want to kill other dogs. And you cannot force your own anthropomorphism onto that dog and make him want to, oh, but we want to take him to the dog park and he needs friends and we want him to have dog friends and puppy play dates. But the dog doesn’t want that. You want that. out of your dog, so you should have got a golden retriever. Your dog wants to kill other dogs. No, he wouldn’t hurt a fly. No, that dog wants to kill other dogs and he’d have a good time doing it because that’s what we as humans bred into that dog to specifically do. All dogs are our tools. A pug is a very good example. My sister-in-law has a pug. Pugs were bred as companion dogs to just lay on pillows and look at and look cute. And they’re perfectly happy just getting fed all day and just laying there and not doing too much of anything, right? They’re a great working companion if you just want like an emotional support dog or something. But I do know we have a mixed group. And so the main thing… that I want to say to the statement, you know, my dog is a tool, is that in the working dog realm, I see that the relationship between dog and handler is stronger than any pet dog I have ever seen. You know, and we help hundreds of pet dog clients per year. And I see that when you are really doing something with your dog and understanding your dog that much, communicating with your dog, and not only do you feel loved by your dog, but your dog actually feels loved by you in a way that speaks to them that they understand. I would say, I mean, my working dog handlers, they love their dog more than any dog owner I’ve ever seen, and it’s because of the understanding and really the the trust loop that is happening because we’re both on the same page you know and then i mean you you talk about um even working dogs protection apprehension dogs i’m i’m trusting my life and the life of my family to this dog and there’s been situations where this dog trusts me with its life right we we trust each other and we love each other um to to a deeper to a deeper level um But at the same time, I mean, even if all of that went in one ear and out the other because somebody was maybe too triggered by the statement, the dog is a tool. Look, I take very good care of my tools. And if somebody thinks that the investment, that these dogs are simply an investment to us to be used up for a job and a task, understand that the care and facilitation of that dog Once that dog unfortunately passes, because they don’t have as much time on Earth as I think they deserve, you know, I unfortunately, you know, they don’t live as long as us, and you get the dog with that knowledge. Once that dog goes, it’s a massive ding. to let’s say the investment portfolio to then build up another puppy to the same level of that older dog with all of that experience, knowledge, endless time, money, and training that is poured into these animals. So, I mean, even if you look at it from an investment portfolio standpoint, the better care you take care of these dogs and keep them alive, healthy, and well over a long period of time, the better return on investment you get.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, yeah, and we’re going to grab a break here. So if you’ve got any questions for Jordan, now’s the time to ask, whether you’ve got pet dog questions or any other dog questions. 303-477-5600, 307-200-8222, text line, and we’ll get back after the break.
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Welcome back this is 560 KLZ and today we have Jordan Henderson with us talking all things dogs and we had a question come in Jordan over the break there on about well how do you know that this dog was designed and bred to kill all other dogs? You know, are there people just out there selling dogs just for the sake of selling them? Is there really legitimate markets versus black market? I mean, you know the story of how we got our dog. It wasn’t the best thing. We bought him in a Safeway parking lot or bought her at a Safeway parking lot. And we didn’t know any better either. Oh, puppies for sale. You know, and I guess we got lucky with ours. But we didn’t know how to choose a puppy. And this was a nice little lecture you gave us afterwards. But yeah. The question was, well, how do you know? I bought this Pyrenees and I didn’t know it was bred to kill other dogs.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, good question. Good question. So breeds should be more than just the paint job or the look of the dog. If we get a dog where we say, hey, this dog, we kind of call it watered down, right? Watered down traits and temperaments. And a lot of this comes from breeding for looks. But Originally, the dogs were bred for their working traits. So you’re breeding for the specific traits for whatever job or goal. And there’s all different types of ones. I mean, I’m mainly in the protection field, so I talk mostly about that. But there’s all different types of dogs that were bred for a certain purpose, right? Huskies, Malamutes being bred to pull sleds, Newfoundlands being bred to pull carts, Pyrenees specifically is a type of dog called a livestock guardian breed. So they were bred for the specific traits to guard livestock and kill predators. And it’s pretty amazing. You know, you have your healers and your herders, your collies, your blue healers and things like this. They were bred to basically fight livestock, which is a breed trait that is bred out of of livestock guardians. They temperamentally do not fight livestock. Even the way they move, if you watch a collie move through livestock, they’re very sharp, very quick movements, and the livestock disperses away from them. And yet a Pyrenees can walk through a whole herd of sheep, and the sheep almost don’t even notice because of its lumbering movements. Even the way they move is bred into it genetically. So I think when it comes to, I mean, you used the word black market, right? I would call it more, you know, backyard breeding programs of people who don’t really know what they’re doing. They kind of are just breeding dogs. And essentially, they don’t get the best working traits. So those are kind of the watered down lines of, yeah, this dog is this breed, but it’s not the best representation of the temperament of this breed. So to answer the question, how do I know that that that specific client that I brought up, um, that, that dog was bred to kill all dogs and wanted to kill all dogs is because a, the dog was showing me, uh, that he wants to kill the other dogs, you know? And, and if you don’t anthropomorphize the dog too much and understand, Hey, this is a predator, right? You can very easily see that dog wants to kill all dogs. But it’s also because I knew the breeder. I knew where that dog came from. And, uh, Pyrenees are a More ancient breed than even your Malinois, and they are going to have been bred for the past thousand years to find those good traits. Don’t fight livestock. Move in a big, lumbering, non-threatening way, and if you see another predator, other dogs being one of them, kill them.
SPEAKER 11 :
Gotcha. Yeah, that’s a, you know, I think it’s an important missing element when people search out dogs. Like you say, I like what you said, you know, the paint job, you know, lions look pretty cool, too. I mean, I’d love to have a lion, but I don’t think I really want a lion, you know, because 100% was under the hood there. So You know, this show is all about preparedness and being ready for whatever comes our way. And it’s not just, you know, the doomsday apocalypse or the zombie apocalypse. It can be, you know, all kinds of different things, you know, economical, medical, political, whatever it may be. You know, even just a personal travesty that could put you in a position where, hey, am I prepared? What role could a dog play in our preparedness? Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Great question. I love that you brought up the maybe wanting to get a lion because that segues perfectly into kind of my thoughts about the preparedness level of a dog. Look, I’m a dog trainer. I love dogs. I love all dogs. I mean, I have a Chihuahua. But it is very interesting to me as far as preparedness. When you’re looking at your preparedness plan with your dogs, one thing that’s good to acknowledge and understand is dogs. dogs in general right especially companion dogs that don’t have a working task are a pretty big ding on the preparedness plan overall as i see it right they’re they’re a they’re predators we have these predators in the house with us right humans are crazy we’re the only we’re the only thing in the animal kingdom who goes oh look a predator why don’t i have that sleep in my house with my children, right? No other animal is going to do that with one of its other predators, something higher in the food chain than itself. They eat a lot and they have big, nasty, stinky poops in the backyard that aren’t very good for composting, right? So it’s very funny. I have tons of dogs, but for me, I’m like, hey, you know what? A dog is not a very good asset to your, let’s say, homestead if you have that, right? I think it’s crazy that dogs are the number one pet in the U.S. It’s like, we should all have a couple chickens in the backyard, right? Because they’re great. You know, I know you’re a crazy chicken person just like I am. They give you food, right? In a worst case scenario, you know, they can also give you meat. You can get a tiny Nigerian dwarf goat and you can have something that really just eat sticks and they don’t have a super high hay bill in comparison to your other livestock. They have very clean little pellet poops that are great for composting and super rich in vitamins and minerals and you can get cheese and fresh milk and make a lotion and all that and also I have four goats. The goats are very trainable, and you could keep them in the house if you wanted to. I mean, I walk my goats off leash all the time. They’re very trainable. They have just as much personality as a dog, and I’m like, hey, what if dwarf goats were the number one pet in America? Like, how would all of our preparedness and survivability go up for our family? But probably most people here who are still listening, they have a dog at home, right? So For my own preparedness plan for the dogs, it’s like you have to understand the dogs eat a lot, right? Have a backup of food storage, especially on site here, right? I have nine dogs. So whenever I buy a bag of food, you know, I buy a couple extra bags of food if finances allow so that I can constantly just be building a backstock of food. Um, in case something does happen, right. If the, if the supply lines are cut or there’s a blizzard here in Colorado and, and, and my chewy order is not going to get here on time. Right. I don’t want to have to be feeding my dogs, my family’s food stores. Um, that that’s for, that’s for my wife and kids, you know? Uh, so having food, having the ability to filtrate water, um, and we do have a little micro homestead here. So, I mean, we have horses and pig and, and, and ducks and chickens and goats, like I said, um, having the ability to have a backup storage of water for the livestock separately. And then on top of that, I have a backup storage of water for the dogs, all dogs on site separately. That could get us through, you know, whatever, power outage. I mean, we’re on a well, so if the power goes out, the well pump also goes out. And then having the ability to filtrate water over time. for that so if you just have you know your normal everyday pet dog at home you know you can go go go to pet smart and and get a couple extra cases of wet food in cans right that has a really stable shelf life throw it in the bottom of the closet forget about it and just have it there for just in case something happens you know a five gallon jug of water will be be fine and it’ll be better than nothing um but for me in my own personal life with the preparedness plan with the dog’s Most all my dogs on site have some type of job. So I have three protection dogs. Like I said, Atlas is the family protection dog. Shenzi is really my sport dog, but she would make a great apprehension dog if situation dictated that. And then we have a smaller Dutch Shepherd, a younger Dutch Shepherd on the come up. So with my plan, I’m also planning out in the future, right? Unfortunately, one day Atlas is going to move on and I’m going to have to have that next temperamentally sound dog on standby. We also have a livestock guardian dog, and his job is to protect all the livestock on site. He is a Turkish Boz Shepherd, and he eats a lot of food, so always having backup food storage for him is important. But it’s been a great convenience for us to not have to worry about our pretty heavy predator load that we have here at our location um to just have him out there doing his thing and he does a great job um making sure no predators get in to our homestead and uh what we got going on there we have we do have a few pet dogs but um again i mean i have they’re they’re great they they just they just stay in the backyard and make sure coyotes don’t jump the fence
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And by the way, you’re in town, you’re down the street from an elementary school and you have a predator load.
SPEAKER 08 :
You have a very high predator load. We have a ridiculous coyote load here in this, in this area. Um, the black bears come through here, um, twice a year when it’s their season. Usually it’s heavier when they’re going into hibernation, they come into town to get some food. And then currently, um, As of yesterday, I mean, we have a mountain lion and she’s bringing her cub through here. So she’s on site. Yeah, we just had a sawboat chase off a coyote off our property yesterday.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, you were telling us that. So when we come back, we’re going to grab our second break here. When we come back, Jordan, you know. So preparedness for our dogs is great, but why would we have a dog in our prep? I know you had mentioned your livestock guardian dog. That’s going to keep your livestock protected. And then the personal protection, and I know you’ve probably got, if you’re willing to share, a couple of examples as to where your dog has helped you. So when we come back after the break here, we’ll talk of that. 560-KLZ.
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SPEAKER 11 :
And welcome back. And we’re here talking about Jordan and dogs. And Jordan, you got a website or something that people can look you up on or how can they contact you if they want some training for their puppies?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely. Our website is incantanek9.com, I-N-K-E-N-T-S-H-A-N-E-K, the number 9.com. Incantane is the name for the Zulu word for the African painted dog. So my company is named after those animals that we worked with down in South Africa.
SPEAKER 11 :
Gotcha. So this is AM radio, so it’s probably an older crowd. So repeat and go a little slower.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s right. Incantane, I-N-K-A-N-E-K. K-E-N-T-S-H-A-N-E-K, the number nine, .com. Incantani Canine. You can find us on Facebook for the older crowd. We’re also on Instagram. You can send us an email, dogtraining at incantanikanine.com, or you can reach us at our business number, 720-527-9441.
SPEAKER 11 :
Perfect. And I know you do all kinds of training, pet dogs, protection dogs. You do board and trains. People can even just hand you their dog and, you know, whenever the timeline is, come back and they got a trained up dog there for them. And so you offer all kinds of services. That’s really, really great. So, you know, we talked about, you know, one thing I wanted to bring up, you know, feeding the dog. And I think it was really good because a lot of times people forget their animals in their preparation plan. But, you know, another thing that you can do, too, if you do have, you know, a rotation of chickens and rabbits or whatever it may be, you know, we I know people that actually have a rabbit breeding program just to feed their dogs because they feed them the live the live rabbits or, you know, actually they dispatch the rabbits for them, but they don’t cook them or anything like that. And they just give them the whole the whole rabbit. And it’s always an interesting conversation on that, too, because people are like, what they. They eat a raw rabbit. I’m like, yeah, what do you think they eat in the wild? They don’t kill that rabbit and spark up the barbecue grill.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and you’ve been helping me a lot with my rabbit breeding program, too, and that is really to facilitate. I mean, I have nine dogs. That’s to facilitate the food for the dogs. And, you know, in austere circumstances, it’s going to be good to have a situation where you aren’t having the dog giving your own food preparedness plan for your family any big hits. So, yeah, the rabbit meat is a great option, and my dogs love chowing down on some rabbits for sure.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it’s the ultimate raw diet, right? You know, sometimes even, listen, if you process your own rabbits for your own meat like I do, You know, close your ears if this is offensive to you, if you’re soft. But, you know, I throw the heads in the freezer and the tails and the ears and the feet. And I’ll give my dog a frozen rabbit head and literally gone in like three minutes. Gone. And it’s just a great treat.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, all the stuff you don’t eat.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep, all the stuff you don’t eat, right? It’s great. Give all the innards to them. I mean, that’s what they eat in the wild, guys. So it’s like we’ve got to stop humanizing our animals. Um, so, you know, protection, I mean, that’s why we brought our dog to you and, uh, and hopefully she’ll come along here, but, um, you know, cause I always want that element of, you know, do we have a gun? Do we have self-defense? Do we have this? Is it, it’s another layer of protection in my opinion. And I think it’s a pretty good deterrent. Don’t you, Jordan?
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Yeah. Studies have shown that any, any, any, uh, anyone that causes, uh, you harm or means you harm. I mean, they’ve done plenty of interviews. The two things that criminals don’t like are dogs and kids because they’re so unpredictable, right? So even, I mean, studies show that even the dog, even a dog, if you have a little Pomeranian, they still don’t like that. But how much better is it to have a big, scary looking dog barking in the backyard? It’s going to be a huge deterrent and it’s going to save your bacon, I’m sure. I’m a big proponent of Similar to the way that we don’t you know brandish weapons as a threat, you know It’s like for me personally if my dog is gonna bark then I’m gonna make sure that that dog also can bite and that’s gonna upgrade our survivability in a in a way that that is is Even that extra layer where it’s like me personally. I don’t want any of my dogs that are here that are pet dogs Who aren’t about that life? Let’s say I I don’t want them barking at people, right? You’re going to get yourself hurt. So either do something about it or be quiet because, yeah, I definitely like my dog’s bite to match their bark.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s a very interesting statement there because I don’t know how many people I run into and they’re like, oh yeah, my dog, if you broke into my house or if you came into my yard, my dog’s going to get you. And nine times out of ten, that’s not true.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I mean, I am a professional decoy, right? I have worked with some of the hardest hitting most about it dogs in the world. And, and I can tell you right now, there’s 99.99% chance. And, and, that if I come into your house, your dog’s not going to protect you. I can come in suited up with nothing in my hands, and if I come running at you yelling, your dog’s going to hide behind you if they’re not prepared and trained for that situation.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, but people think about that. They think, oh, no, my dog’s going to bark and bite and blah, blah, blah, blah, because they do it every time the Amazon truck pulls up or somebody rings the doorbell. I have to hold them back, and they misapply that and what the dog is doing because the dog is, and I’ll let you to do it because you’re the professional. I’ll let you explain it, but what the dog is doing is not what you think it’s doing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. The dog is, the dog is trying to push you away with a show, a display of force. Um, but there’s no, there’s nothing really behind it to back it. Right. Um, the dog is, is really talking, talking big because he’s afraid. And if you cross that line, the dog is gonna go, go to run. Um, it, it, if, if I look, I wish it was as easy as getting any dog from any shelter and, um, and just making that dog love you and be loyal to you and imprint on you, and then that dog is going to protect you with its life, because the reality is it’s not. If that were as easy as it was, we would not go through the great lengths that we do to get the proper genetics, get the proper temperament, get the proper dog. And then all of this training effort and time that we pour into building these strong protection dogs, we wouldn’t have to do it if that was the case, right? I mean, one of my dogs is imported from Ireland. You know, the other one comes from lines from Holland and France. There’s a reason that we have to go out of country and import these dogs. And then even then, some people import dogs and they don’t cut it because they simply don’t have the courage.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Yeah. It’s like like you said earlier, you have to turn the switch off on some of your dogs. We’re trying to get my dog to turn the switch on. And a lot of people think everybody’s going to turn everybody’s dog is going to turn that switch on. And I’m like, no, you know, I’ve had this conversation with with a lot of family members are like, oh, that dog’s loyal to me. I’m like that dog really may may like you a little bit. But at the end of the day, that dog could care less what you do.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and even, look, even if they do love you and they are loyal to you, at the end of the day, they’re going to worry about themselves first because they’re animals and that’s what they do, right? If there’s a big scary thing, well, look, just that dog loves you. Your mom, your dad, they’re going to hide behind you and be like, Mom, Dad, handle this person who just broke into the house, right? He’s scaring me.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, right. Yeah, and a lot of times when dogs bark and they growl and they look like that, they’re actually defending themselves, not you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely. Getting a highly trained, real-world protection dog is a huge survivability upgrade for anybody who’s out there. I mean, we have a saying, you can recall a dog, you can’t recall a bullet, right? So that’s what we’re looking at there is if I send my dog or if my dog goes to bite someone and they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, okay, I don’t actually want to go there, I can go, okay, dog, down, right? Don’t bite them. And so that’s a great aspect. The other great aspect for me, and I know yourself as a family man, is that my dog, I can train with my dog every day. And I can send my dog with my family. I mean, my children are not efficient or effective in working other contemporary means of self-defense, right? Guns, knives, martial arts, anything like that. But I can send this very highly trained specialist. basically a whole security team bundled up into our dog for them when they go anywhere that they go. And simply all my wife needs to remember is what the commands are, right? And we have our plan that we outline, and I outline this plan with various – personal protection or family protection dogs that we facilitate all around the world. Essentially, we get these dogs, we train them up for customized training packages to this family-specific needs to fit your lifestyle so that you get the dog that is going to live best with you. But then we go through a handler course to let everybody know exactly how to handle this dog and how to integrate them into their preparedness plan to the best of their ability to set them up for success. I tell them, you know, there are certain situations where, I mean, if you come across me and you want to act dumb somewhere, you’re dealing with a double whammy because you’re going to deal with my dog and me, right? But with my wife, you know, I tell her, you know, that’s Atlas’s job. You, you, You give the command and you get the kids out of there and you drop a pin or Atlas’ GPS caller, hopefully it’s on, and you let me know where she is and I’ll go either, you know, I’ll be scooping the body of somebody. But either way, the kids and the wife are the priority, you know, and that’s kind of where we stand.
SPEAKER 11 :
And, you know, you made something interesting too about commands and a lot of people go, oh, well, you know, anybody can give my dog commands. And we kind of even realized that last night when you, you told my dog out and she didn’t, I had to say out, which was kind of, cause she usually listens to you. So it was kind of like a moment and it was like, you know, your dogs know your voice. And, and that’s why also too, you know, it’s kind of fun because we teach our dogs, dogs commands in different languages, which people don’t really know what we’re saying unless you’re of that nationality. But yeah, You know, that’s not necessarily true, but do you have a quick couple examples of when you have utilized your dog in real life? Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And we think of everything in training. We try to train for every situation, right? Just like what you brought up. I mean, there’s been training sessions where even in my other language, I’ve given the decoy what the out command is, and he said out, and I say bite. bite and dog you better listen to me and and realize not to listen to them because out in the real world right there’s no rules so we have to be trained for that my my personal dog has saved my bacon on you know who knows how many times as far as the turret goes but I mean you win every fight you don’t get into but four times has she actually stopped and a situation from happening um and without going into too much detail you know she has stopped a carjacking at a gas station uh for me um actually two carjackings um for for me um and also one home invader And also, this was more of a deterrent situation, but somebody did, you know, have a weapon. And I simply told her, like, hey, watch that guy. And she makes her display of aggression and scared him off. But, I mean, if he wanted to push the issue, like I said before, her bite matches her bark.
SPEAKER 11 :
Gotcha. Yeah, I don’t know what’s going on up there in Arvada there, Jordan, but you got car jackets and home revisions. Hey, one more time, shoot us your website and your phone number one more time for people to get in touch with you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. If anybody wants to go to the website, it’s incantanek9.com. I-N-K-E-N-T-S-H-A-N-E-K, the number nine, dot com. And we are Incantanek9 on all platforms, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. My phone number is 720-527-9441. We’re open 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., seven days a week, 365. So you can shoot me a call or a text, 720-527-9441.
SPEAKER 11 :
Awesome. Thanks a lot, Jordan. All right, Denver, another great time spending with you this week. I’ll be again with you next week. In the meantime, keep your eyes open, your ears open, and always be ready.
SPEAKER 05 :
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