Join us as we navigate the intricate and often emotional terrain of immigration policies in the United States. The episode provides a platform for heartfelt exchanges, addressing the legality, morality, and human impact of current immigration laws. As we transition to contrasting leadership styles, come along for a journey that examines public perception and the complexities of political narratives.
Certainly appropriate for this segment, the Talking Heads. David Byrne and the Boys. And She Was, a little album called Little Creatures, released this week, 40 years ago. That’s right, the Eminem segment, helping everybody feel old. But here’s the eternally youthful Mike Gallagher. How you doing, man?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m sorry I missed your Newsmax hit. Holy moly. That sounded like some fun. Holy cow. Were you like thrown by that, or were you ready for it?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, any time you tell me, and I’m getting the half-second pushback, mix minus, guys, please do me a favor. Thank you. Any time that I am booked to be on something where there’s a panel, and it’ll be me and a liberal person, first thing I do is embrace it. I think this is great. And I know that it can go in a number of ways. It can be goodwill, disagreement, constructive debate. Or the guy can be a total nutbag. And that was the gift given to me yesterday with this guy who started out and talking about the Trump and Musk feud saying, well, the first thing you have to understand is, is, is Musk knew that Trump was a sexual predator and Trump knew that Musk was a white supremacist. It’s like, thank you, God. Thank you for giving me this gift. So anyway. I didn’t bag on him. He said he’s got his attorney. Is that right?
SPEAKER 04 :
No. Well, you did your normal, fantastic, stellar work. Congratulations.
SPEAKER 03 :
Kudos.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, better you than me because I ain’t doing it. How would you have handled it? Well, I was getting a massage at about the time you were doing that. I was in the zone. I was in a zone of relaxation. Good for you. Listen, it’s a good idea this week. Some breaking news, of course, President Trump just confirmed moments ago that we reached a deal with China after intense trade negotiations. So that’s good news. That’s about to hit big time. It looks like my buddy Mark Davis was right about Elon. Speaking of Mr. Musk, as Byron York points out, now that Elon did a middle of the night mea culpa to Donald Trump. Oh, I went too far. I regret some of the things I said. So Byron writes, as typical as only Byron can do, Elon Musk issues a statement of regret for, among other things, calling for Trump impeachment, accusing the president of involvement in the Epstein scandal, and calling top Trump legislative priorities a disgusting abomination. Possible resolution to Musk matter is this. Everybody makes up, be happy, move on, but realize Musk, for all his talents, is unsuited for any future government position.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which is totally fair. I will always be grateful for what Elon did in those months of Doge. He came in with the cray, came in with the attitude, came in with the Asperger’s, came in with the… Came in with all of it, the chainsaw. I know. And achieved wonderful things. I’m glad we got as many sane weeks out of him as we did. Because for the millionth time, the Walter Isaacson biography just tells story after story after story. At Tesla, at SpaceX, at Neuralink, all of his companies, the people who work with him and know him best know that he could snap off. in a heartbeat and just go spiraling off into God knows where, and it gets better in a couple of days, and you just pick up and go from there. That private sector, that’s great. Public life, government life, not so much.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m just intrigued by who’s mad at him now. Well, you think about it, everybody is. So now the right and the left, so who’s going to key the Teslas?
SPEAKER 03 :
Who’s mad at the Tesla? You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 04 :
Like everybody’s, if that was part of this, in other words, if it was to try to get some of the heat off of him because of progressives who were mad at Tesla, well, then they’re not mad at Tesla because he took off after Trump.
SPEAKER 03 :
That was never true. One of the dumbest theories was that this was very calculated by Elon in order to win back liberal friends. He doesn’t think.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I know, but I’m talking about the actual practical implications of it. I mean, because if people are sitting around screaming that Elon’s a Nazi, well, then for a brief period of time there, they loved him because he was taken off against Trump. So I guess they don’t think he’s a Nazi. Look, it’s exhausting. But I’ll tell you what’s even more exhausting. I watched this Gavin Newsom speech last night. And to make Trump the centerpiece of the riots in L.A. is really astounding, Mark. When you just think about it in bold black and white terms, they’re all trying to claim that the only reason people are looting the Apple store and throwing concrete bricks at cops. is because of Donald Trump. And that is such an audacious, ridiculous, bizarre, asinine, but typical tactic. It’s all they’ve got. And I’m going to share something with you. Can I bear my soul a little bit? All right, I’m going to get in trouble for even admitting this, but don’t worry, I came to reason quickly. I knew you were going to set me straight, but there was a guy on social media who actually did it for me. Axios writes, the heart of the standoff with Trump and the deportations and immigration, how comfortable are Americans with deporting millions of immigrants who paid taxes, built families, and committed no crimes after coming here illegally? And I give Axios a little bit of credit because they acknowledge all along it’s illegal. They broke the law. They came here illegally. And there’s no question about that. That’s not a dispute. OK, but are we comfortable then with taking a family of four, say, and a guy who’s been here feeding his family, working for 25 years? He came here illegally 25 years ago. But since that time, he has paid taxes. And I do I do forget that there is a path that they have. You know, I don’t think I remembered this, but I kind of knew it in the back of my head. But there is a way for illegals to actually pay taxes in the hopes that that will help them eventually get approved for citizenship. Congress did this years ago, but it’s like an alternative. 1996, there was an alternative to the Social Security number that was the individual taxpayer identification number. And according to Axios, and I don’t know how this works day to day, but they say it allows people to pay taxes while being here illegally and awaiting a path to citizenship. So those people have been paying taxes, believing it would enhance their chances of gaining citizenship. A portion of those taxes even fund Social Security. Under the law, if they eventually get citizenship, those taxes will count toward their retirement. So let’s just stipulate that many of them have paid taxes. They haven’t broken the law. Other than the illegal immigration. We know that they broke the law to get here. But since that original… law-breaking, if you will, sin, stayed completely out of trouble. How comfortable are we with deporting that person? And I knew you’d say that, and I know that’s probably the right answer, but I’m going to confess to you, I’ve struggled with this. I have absolutely struggled. It’s not my favorite thing. I don’t love it. Until I came across a guy on social media. And I’m going to play this for you, please. I want to play this young man who posted a heartfelt reality check that old Gallagher needed to get right between the eyes.
SPEAKER 01 :
Bro, you came here illegally, so you’re getting sent back.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 01 :
Like, I’m not really understanding where I’m supposed to feel bad. Like, it’s the law. Like, what? Am I missing something? Like, we also can’t do that. We can’t go to other countries illegally and just pop up and start working and all of that without things in order, without abiding by their laws. And to be honest, it’s a much worse punishment if we end up doing that. I feel like America is being generous. Y’all are getting caught. And then being sent by plane or sent by bus back home. That’s pretty generous if you ask me. Like if I go to Russia and try to pull that off, I might not come home. They might lock me up for 50 years for trespassing. I’m confused. The media is trying to make us feel bad. And they’re like, oh, this person was 15 years old. He was a hardworking boy. He was in high school. And he was an illegal immigrant from Guatemala. Bro, you lost me. You lost me. He’s illegal. So I’m sorry. Like, that’s just what happens. I can’t feel bad no more. Everything you said before that is disregarded. I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 03 :
My goodness, that’s 60 seconds of genius. That is great.
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s the reality check.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I want to come to your defense, whatever you want to call it, because our brains and our hearts are always at war. And I talk about the heart eating the brain. And in fact, I will tell you, is there some way to craft, in the example that you cite, the really heart-rending, or as they say in Maryland, heart-rendering, uh example that you give of somebody’s been here 25 their only crime is getting in here illegally and they’ve been solid citizen hard working no law breaking ever since should there be some way to kind of work with these folks to create some special category of redemption i’m willing to have that conversation it is filled with danger however because if we do it and now this is stuff that i think is already in your head uh that if we do that just to be the good guys that then everybody knows that oh Of course we can flood into the country, but then if we’re Boy Scouts, we can stay forever. Bingo. And we’re sunk.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s the second part of the argument that wins me back to reality. The first part is what that young man said. If we did this in Russia, we’re not going to be treated that well. Give me a break, okay? But on the other hand, and the second part of it is what you just said, which is so… If we open the floodgates and say, come on in, break the law to get in here, swim across the Rio Grande, and if you make it in, God bless you, and don’t commit any crimes, and then you’re good to go. Nope, that doesn’t fly. Look, I know I’m in the minority here. I mean, the good news is… The way we really, and this is truly how I do feel. I mean, we have to do it. I’m in favor of what Trump is doing completely, but it hurts. I got to admit, this is hard. We knew it was going to be hard. We knew months ago this was going to be tough. We knew we’d see the images of crying women and people saying, I don’t want to go back to Guatemala. We knew this was coming, but yet it’s here, it’s real, and now when people riot, of course they want to blame all of it on Trump. Speaking of Trump, tell me you saw him at Fort Bragg yesterday.
SPEAKER 03 :
I sure did. Mark. That is what leadership is. And to have that kind of leadership on display at Fort Bragg, and then Gavin Newsom on the TV box the exact same day.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
What a contrast. Case study.
SPEAKER 04 :
Game, set, match. I mean, because the truth, and incidentally, he mentioned changing the names all back of the military installations. Mark, do you know what they’re doing, the sleight of hand they’re doing to get the name change back? What? This is beyond brilliant. Okay, so you know that you recognize that Fort Bragg became, I think, Fort Liberty, right? Because Bragg was a Confederate general, right? Which no one knew or cared. Of course not. Well, they put it back to Fort Bragg. but not the Confederate general. Did you know that? They found somebody else. They’re doing this across the board. They’re finding other people with the same name? With the same name. This guy, this Bragg, is like Bob Bragg or something. He was a private in World War II, but he was a war hero.
SPEAKER 03 :
So that no one can say you white supremacists are cleaving to the wrong side of the Confederacy and…
SPEAKER 04 :
How brilliant is that? Think of the brilliance of that. And they’ve done that apparently with a number of these bases. So they’re just going out and they’re finding, you know, all these different… Robert E. Lee? Okay, now let’s find Jack Lee. And Jack Lee was a third… He was a sergeant in the U.S. Army.
SPEAKER 03 :
Served honorably in the Korean War.
SPEAKER 04 :
He was a hero, and we’re going to call it, but it’s back to the Lee base. I mean, these guys are, look, this is winning. And this news about China is so big. Watch the stock market soar, the economy continue to roar.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mike, all the smart kids said we would be neck deep in depression by now. Inflation, recession.
SPEAKER 04 :
Eating our neighbor’s liver and panting on the streets. Yeah, it’s all terrible, terrible things. Look, buckle up for Saturday. I can’t wait to see how this is all going to play out.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s Flag Day, it’s Trump’s birthday, and a huge military parade planned. But the website, nokings.org, gives you a national map of where the chowder heads are going to be. And it’s about Trump hatred, it is about… Anti-ice. They’re all getting together. The band is getting together on that day.
SPEAKER 04 :
Funded by the Walmart heiress.
SPEAKER 03 :
Did you see that?
SPEAKER 04 :
She’s taking all these ads. Christine Walton. And she’s apparently, allegedly, according to Laura Loomer, who got Walmart to their knees, Laura Loomer went right to them and they said, look, we got nothing to do with this.
SPEAKER 03 :
She’s sort of the black sheep. Right. She’s a philanthropist and a Trump hater for a long time. Contributed a lot to the Lincoln Project. And lives in Mexico, apparently. Free country.
SPEAKER 04 :
She can do what she wants. And lives in Mexico. Apparently doesn’t even live here. And she married into the Sam Walton fortune. Her husband died in a plane crash. And she got a big payday. And now she’s committed to trying to destroy Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 03 :
And we’ll do more of this tomorrow. And we’ll do Mission Impossible tomorrow, which we never get to. I know. Some ancillary things on that. As a function of percentage, at the average protest on Saturday, or any of the ones we’ve seen, as a function of percentage, from zero to 100, what percentage of the attendees are sort of paid actors instigated? Most of them. More than 50? Wow. Most of them.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think they’re enough lunatics that it’s maybe 1050. You watch these videos from L.A. These are not organic. This isn’t spontaneous. They’re organized. They’re orchestrated. The signs are all pre-made and printed out. They don’t look like it. Yeah, and they all look alike. They all look like degenerates. They all look like the guy in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There’s that.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s always a good look when you try to attract people to your cause. Happy Wednesday. Happy Wednesday. It always is. Mike is ready. He’s ready to go. The Wednesday Mike Gallagher Show.
