Join Mike Gallagher as he navigates the complex landscape of America’s immigration debate. The show features passionate discussions about the Trump administration’s efforts to close the southern border and the media’s portrayal of these actions. In addition, listeners call in to express their opinions, offering a broad spectrum of perspectives on this contentious issue.
I never want to miss what you want to talk about, and that’s one of my goals, okay? I never want to surprise you. My mentor, my boss, somebody I’ve worked for for many years, Phil Boyce, always has a rule about a talk show like this one. You never want to turn on the show and be disappointed in what comes out of the speakers or what you see. So in other words, I don’t want to miss. So this back and forth. And Tracy came in talking to me about the tattoos on Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s hand. And many of you are texting me on the MyPillow text line about the tattoos. And I told Tracy, I said, look, this is kind of in the weeds. Let me play the exchange. And if you want to talk about it, we can. I don’t really want to get, because it’s kind of hard to understand. There are images that law enforcement officials say is absolutely confirmation of the MS-13 gang on Gilmar Garcia, whatever his name is, Knuckles. Okay? And that came up during this rather contentious interview With President Trump on ABC last night. So I’m going to play this for you because you know what’s happening. The media has gone from, it’s like the Hunter Biden laptop story. They’ve gone from not covering it at all, trying to cover it up, to lying about it. And they’re doing it now with the gang tattoos on this gangbanger’s hand. Listen to the back and forth first between Terry Moran and President Trump in the Oval Office on ABC. But the court has ordered you to facilitate that.
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I’m not the one making this decision. We have lawyers that don’t want to do this. But the buck stops in his office. No, no, no, no. I follow the law. You want me to follow the law? If I were the president that just wanted to do anything, I’d probably keep him right where he is. Says what the law is. Listen, I was elected to take care of a problem that was, it was a unforced error that was made by a very incompetent man. A man that turned out to be incompetent that you always said was wonderful, great genius, right? And now you find out all of the media now they’re saying what a mistake they made. A man who was grossly incompetent allowed us to have open borders where millions of people float in. I campaigned on that issue. I wouldn’t say it was my number one issue, but it was pretty close. I campaigned on that issue. I’ve done an amazing job. I have closed borders. He said you couldn’t do it. You wouldn’t be able to do it. It would never happen. Well, it happened. And it happened very quickly. Wait a minute. When we have criminals, murderers, criminals in this country, we have to get them out, and we’re doing it. And you’ll pick out one man, but even the man that you picked out, he said he wasn’t a member of a gang. And then they looked, and on his knuckles, he had MS-13. There’s a dispute over that. Wait a minute. He had MS-13 on his knuckles.
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He had some tattoos that are interpreted that way, but let’s move on.
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Wait a minute. Hey, Terry, Terry, Terry. He did not have the letter MS-13. It says MS-13. That was Photoshopped. That was Photoshopped, Terry. Hey, they’re giving you the big break of a lifetime. You know, you’re doing the interview. I picked you because, frankly, I never heard of you, but that’s okay. I picked you, Terry, but you’re not being very nice. He had MS-13 tattooed. We’ll agree to disagree. I want to move on to something else. Do you want me to show you the picture? I saw the picture. And you think it was Photoshopped?
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Here we go.
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Don’t Photoshop it.
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Go look at his hand. He had MS-13. He did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way. I’m not an expert on them. I want to turn to Ukraine. I want to get to Ukraine. No, no.
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No, no. He had MS, as clear as you can be, not interpreted. This is why people no longer believe the news, because it’s fake news.
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When he was photographed in El Salvador, they aren’t there. But let’s just go.
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They aren’t there when he’s in El Salvador. Oh, they weren’t there, but they’re there now, right? No, but they’re in your picture. Terry, he’s got MS-13 on his knuckles. All right. OK, we’ll take a look. It’s such a disservice. We’ll take a look. Why don’t you just say yes, he does.
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frustrated. Like, why don’t you just admit it? And it absolutely is fascinating to watch this cycle about the tattoos, because they’ve gone from pretending it doesn’t exist to now denying it. They’re moving from refusal to cover it to denying it the same way they did the Hunter Biden laptop. Listen to this exchange last night with somebody, I don’t even know who these people are, but a female anchor and a guest on CNN.
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Why do you think President Trump was so fixated on demonstrating that that tattoo on Abrego Garcia’s knuckles, purportedly, according to ABC and others, photoshopped? Why was he so intent on proving it was not?
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Because the administration, it follows in this overall strategy. where the administration has tried to turn this from a legal argument to an immigration argument by continuing to accuse Mr. Obrego-Garcia of being a member of MS-13. The evidence that the government and law enforcement relied on for that has been the subject of scrutiny from a federal judge. It relies on an informant. It also overall relies on these tattoos. The president previously posted on social media a photo of Mr. Obrego Garcia’s knuckles, and it had symbols on his knuckles and appeared to also then have a sort of translation on it. Now, while some say that those symbols are representative of MS-13, we have talked to many law enforcement experts that have said that tattoos solely are not enough to justify identifying somebody as being a member of a gang. That being said, the scorecard that ICE uses that we’ve obtained actually puts a lot of points on whether or not somebody has tattoos, as well as their choice of clothing and other ICE work as well.
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Wow. So that’s the CNN political analyst blaming ICE for saying, if you tattoo gang symbols and letters on your body, you’re a member of a gang, and that guy’s acting like, well, you know, they’re just trying to make this about illegal immigration. They’re doing a Hunter Biden number on this issue. And let me be specific. There are symbols that represent MS-13 on Kilmar. abrigo garcia’s knuckles there was a picture with the actual letters ms13 photoshopped over his hand and that’s now what the left is melting down about you want to talk about this i mean we can we can i’m getting a bunch of texts about it so give me a call and let’s have it out 800-655-MIKE one open line 800-655-6453
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He’s the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here’s Mike.
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I’m in such a good mood today. There are times when I wish I could just host the show and talk to callers who didn’t vote for Donald Trump. I really wish I could have a good faith conversation with people who don’t agree with me or don’t agree with the sealed border. I saw Hugh Hewitt on Fox News this week make a terrific point. that the signature accomplishment, the epic north star, if you will, of the first 100 days of the Trump presidency has been to close the border. And on that point, nobody can dispute it. So I wonder if you didn’t vote for Trump, what it feels like to realize that even people like Maggie Haberman are on TV acknowledging that the border is closed. Because when it happened, or prior to Trump’s amazing ability to get it done, that has followed a period of time where they said over and over again it couldn’t be done. We have that montage, Christian, that Tracy found. There’s a montage of Of all the times we were told, you can’t just close the border. What do you mean, close it? It’s a big border. There’s thousands and thousands and thousands of people every day who come. Listen to this montage from Media Research Center.
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Republicans keep saying Biden doesn’t need Congress. He can stop what’s happening at the border all by himself. Can you fact check that for us? Because we here all know that’s not true.
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Republicans have been saying largely wrongly, right, is saying that the president can close the border unilaterally on his own. President actually doesn’t have the authority under law to do that.
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There’s only so much President Biden can do with executive action. And he did try to do whatever he could. They actually are doing everything they can. The president’s hands are tied. There’s only so much that he can do.
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President Biden has issues, certain executive orders, but there’s only so much he can do within his purview.
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What an intractable problem this is for the president with no easy solutions. No easy solutions here. There are no easy solutions here, folks. The president insisting there’s only so much he can do without Congress. How much can actually be done quickly without Congress acting? How would this happen without the power of the purse, without Congress getting involved? They need Congress to act to fix the broken immigration system.
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This cannot happen without Congress resourcing this.
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There’s only so much a president can do with his pen and his phone.
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And you wonder why Americans distrust the media. And you wonder why… Trust and confidence in the American media is at a historic low. Let’s fast forward. Let’s go to just last night, CNN. Here’s the New York Times’ Maggie Haberman having to reluctantly, and you can hear the the regret in her voice. You can see it on her face if you’re watching us on Salem News Channel. But here she is having to confess to Anderson Cooper, yep, President Trump did exactly what he promised he would do, and that’s close the border.
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There are a number of things that Trump has done that his advisers feel incredibly good about. And when you talk to them in private conversations, the main thing that they all point to is the near total sealing of the border. And that is that is not a small thing. There’s something that he has been talking about for many years. There’s something he finally did. It happened to some extent during covid. It is it is now basically closed. And that was a promise during the campaign.
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Oh, really? You mean he fulfilled his promise, Maggie? Is that what you said? I don’t know. I’ve got to slow the tape down a little bit. Oh, you mean he promised, made a fundamental, epic promise that he would close the border, and now it’s closed? Thank you, Maggie Haberman. Thank you. And I mean that. Thank you, Anderson Cooper, for having that conversation. You’re more honorable than Chuck Schumer. Did you hear what he did yesterday? Check this out. A reporter asked Schumer, well, you know, Trump is pointing out that the border is 90, 95 percent closed. And it’s true, incidentally. I mean, the New York Post has a chart here. Check this out. Illegal border crossings. In December of 2023, they hit 249,740. In March of this year, last month, 7,181. Check this one. In the first 100 days of the Biden presidency, there were 184,000 border crossers who were allowed to stay in the United States. You know how many have been allowed to stay under Trump during his first 100 days? Nine. That’s right, nine. Nine border crossers have been allowed to stay in the United States under Trump. 184,000 were allowed to stay under Biden. And, of course, you know what that means when they’re allowed to stay. That means they are released into the general population, and some of them do horrible things to American citizens. So we voted for this, okay? But Chuck Schumer is left lying about all of the data and all of the facts and all of the truth that the border is essentially now sealed, closed, shut down under Donald J. Trump. Check out what Chuckie Schumer was reduced to saying yesterday.
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I’d say one thing to you. I don’t trust Trump’s numbers.
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I don’t trust Trump’s numbers. You don’t have to trust Trump’s numbers. Trust maybe the New York Times and Maggie Haberman. Trust the Associates. Look, it’s not even an argument. So again, in the good mood that I’m in, let’s try this. If you didn’t vote for Trump, How do you react to the knowledge that he fulfilled this fundamental, major campaign pledge that he would close the border? I mean, my gosh, he did it in the first 100 days. So, you know, maybe you’ll argue with me about, well, maybe you think that Biden actually did it somehow. I don’t know. I don’t know what you’ll say. But let’s try. Teresa, let’s open up the phone lines to people… who are not Trump supporters. I’m just in that kind of mood today. 800-655-MIKE. Be civil. Be polite. I’ll be polite and civil with you. Let’s not call each other a bunch of names. Let’s not start shrieking at each other. Let’s not turn it into a food fight. But if you didn’t vote for Donald Trump, if you don’t like him, if you don’t like what’s happening in America, will you at least address… The closed, sealed border. The fulfillment of this major promise that Trump accomplished. 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. And again, be nice. Let’s play nice here. But let’s just hear from people who did not vote for the guy. In November, 800-655-6453. I want to put your voice front and center, even though you disagree with me most of the time. That’s OK. Your call, your perspective on Trump’s. Promises, Trump’s promise made, Trump’s promise kept. The border is secure, is closed, is sealed, as he promised he would do. How do you respond to that if you don’t like his presidency? Join us here on the Mike Gallagher Show for the final day of April. It’s April the 30th, 2025 in the Relief Factor Studios. Again, 800-655-MIKE. Your call coming up. Portions of our show brought to you by MyPillow and Big Deal. Two sales in one. First, they’re having a closeout sale on the percale bedsheets. Any size, any color, $25. You can get Queens, Kings, Split Kings, California Kings, any size, any color, $25. It’s a crazy sale from MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher Special Square. The second sale, Mike Lindell has introduced a brand new energy drink called Rev7. It’s a premium energy drink that’s good for you. It tastes great, gives you energy all day. I sampled it yesterday for the first time. It is delicious. No sugar, no caffeine. Rev7 is so special because it’s powered with a premium nootropic that helps fuel your mind. MyPillow is so confident you’re going to love Rev7 that for a limited time you can try their introductory three-pack absolutely free. Now, these offers aren’t going to last long. So go to MyPillow.com. Use the promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Sing along with me. For the best night’s sleep in the whole wide world, visit MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG.
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All right, I’m taking big, deep breaths. I got a full phone bank full of Trump haters. No, they’re not. Who knows if they’re real Trump haters, but they didn’t vote for him, okay? So let me get everybody’s comments here. We’ll start in Chicagoland. We’ll start with John. John, how are you doing today?
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Hi, good morning, Mike. Congratulations on the success of your show. I was just going to call in. You mentioned about… So you didn’t vote for Trump? I’m not a big Trump supporter. Okay.
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You voted for Kamala? Oh, I did, yeah. Okay, so that’s okay. Tell me a little bit about how you feel about just the border, just that one sort of signature achievement of Trump’s first 100 days. How are you reacting to that information, John?
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You know, I might be totally out of bounds here to your regular listeners, but I don’t feel that comfortable about it. I understand that he’s very successful of keeping people out of here. I just feel – this is me. I’m not trying to get into an argument. But I’m concerned that the Republican Party kind of makes this issue too political. In other words, if you disagree with this view – That somehow you’re weak or you’re liberal.
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Hang on, hang on. I don’t want to argue with you, dude. I just want to get my point and I’ll get off. I don’t want to argue with you. Just let me finish my point, man, and then I’ll stop. You’re not doing it, dude.
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You interrupted me. Oh, my goodness. There’s no reason to get this excitable, John. Please take a breath. I promise I’m going to give you – listen to me. You interrupted me. I’m going to give you all the time in the world, John. You don’t need to start yelling at me. Please. I’m trying to – I’m trying to get you focused on what I’m asking you because you’re talking, you’re changing gears and you’re changing topics. And I’m just trying to get you to stay focused on the issue of the border. And I’m asking you directly.
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So let’s have you interrupt me, man.
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Well, you’re interrupting me now, so stop interrupting me and I’ll stop interrupting you. How about that? I apologize. That’s right. Take a breath and let’s start. Let’s try again. Let’s start over. Do you think we have a problem with illegal immigration and a porous border up to Trump’s election? Was there a problem or not?
SPEAKER 15 :
Mike, you know there was, okay? Absolutely there was.
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Well, then what are you pushing back on?
SPEAKER 15 :
Let me finish my point.
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So did Trump fix that problem? I know you’re trying to get your point. I’m not. I’m trying to ask you.
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I’m asking you how you, as somebody who voted for Kamala Harris, I’m asking you what you think about the news that the border has been closed. How do you respond to that news, John? I told you, I’m concerned.
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What does that mean, you’re concerned? What the heck kind of answer is that? Let me explain, please. I’m concerned.
SPEAKER 04 :
What are you concerned about? You’re not letting me finish. Just say it. Stop saying, just tell me what you’re saying. You’re making me crazy.
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You’re not letting me finish. The reason why I’m concerned is that I think the Republican Party… uses this issue to divide people. You’ve just repeated yourself.
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You’re not even answering the question about the merits of the border. You’re saying that we’re turning it into a political talking point. I’m just asking you, forget the politics of it. Was the border a problem? You said yes. Now the border’s not a problem, and you’re concerned. What are you talking about, John?
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I still think it’s a problem, though, Mike. What’s a problem? I still think the border is a problem, because I think… The way you’re going about this, I think, is concerning me because it’s very militaristic, very, like, if you don’t agree with me, you know, you’re going to get locked up. I mean, that’s just people on my side. I think there is a fear amongst Democratic, liberal-minded people that Republicans are taking this issue too far, you know, that somehow if you don’t agree with This philosophy that you’re you’re not American. And that to me is concerning. That’s all I don’t mean to argue with you. I think that’s just the only point I want to make. And thank you for letting me talk.
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I’ve tried. Congratulations. I’ve stood here silently now because people get mad and you’re obviously frustrated because you think I’ve interrupted you. I didn’t interrupt you. No, I’m not. I totally thank you. Now you’re interrupting me. Thank you so much, Mike. Now hang on. Now you’re interrupting me again. No, I wanted to just thank you. Let me make the point. I didn’t want to interrupt you so that I could hear you say what you said, which I will say, and you sound like a very nice guy, you don’t make any sense, John. What you just said is gibberish. What you just said doesn’t, I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be mean to you. John, do you realize, do you realize you just said, I need the minute, Dan. Do you realize you said to me, you know the border is a problem. Right? You know that we’ve had thousands and thousands of people flooding across the border, right? Yes, sir. Now we don’t, right? Correct.
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Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I…
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I think it’s, well, I mean, in your point, absolutely. John, John. But I don’t agree with it as I’m saying.
SPEAKER 04 :
You don’t agree with what? You don’t agree with what? What don’t you agree with?
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The strategy, that’s all.
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The strategy to seal the border? You like the fact that the border is sealed, but you don’t like the way he went about it? Could it be that you don’t like the fact that he sealed the border, but you don’t like the way he went about it? Is that what you’re trying to say?
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Right.
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And where do we go from here, Mike? I mean, we do need people.
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I tried. I tried so hard. Honest to gosh. And people are going to be mad at me. I interrupted him. I know I’m a blah, blah. I, you know, I look, I try. I always, I always start out. I’m like Lucy in the football. I think I can have a conversation with a guy like him. And then I realized, no, I can’t.
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Donald Trump effectively closed the southern border just by taking office and changing the attitude of the federal government. They have deported lots of violent criminals. And frankly, they are sending a different message than the previous administration. You know, the old way was, hey, just get here and we’ll find a way and it’ll probably work out for you. The new message is don’t come here. Please don’t come here. And now people know that we mean it.
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In the ReliefFactor.com studios, here’s Mike.
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Okay, all right, so I’m going to read some texts. At one point with John, I literally sat back, I turned my microphone off, and let him ramble for nearly a minute. It was like 47, I watched it, it was 48, I didn’t say a word. Didn’t say a word. And look at these text messages. Chicago, OMG, you are like a petulant child when someone disagrees with you. Let the guy make his point. You are the worst debater on air. Debater? I turned the mic off. Florida, Mike, you do interrupt. You get frustrated with the caller and cut him off. Why don’t you let him talk? He ultimately will hang himself. South Carolina, you kind of did interrupt the guy. I turned my mic off. Okay, all right, so you know what? You win. Here’s the final one that really got to me. Michigan, I’m 100% behind Trump, but tell Mike to shut the hell up and let the man talk. Boy, he can be an ass. And he finished the word. Again, I’m sitting here turning, so here’s what I’m going to do. All right, you win. You got it. You’re right. I just interrupt. So here we go. Linda in Michigan. Linda, hold on, Linda. Let me just first of all say hello. How are you, Linda? I’m good. Good. I’m turning my mic off now. Go.
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I voted for Kamala twice. I mean, I voted for Kamala. I never voted for Trump, in other words. And my point is you always interrupt a person. They can never finish what they got to say before. You step in because you don’t like what they’re going to say. I don’t like the way that you talk when you divide us. You say we, them. I don’t like that. That’s ugly. But to say you’re a Christian man, you shouldn’t do that. That’s not appropriate for you to do that. And you like to argue with people, so you know you’re wrong. And that is all that I have to say. So, goodbye and have a great day.
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24 minutes before the hour. Here’s line one. Here’s Harry in Anderson, South Carolina. Hello, Harry, in Anderson.
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Hi, Mike. How are you? Am I correct in saying happy belated birthday? Did you not recently have a birthday?
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Hello? I’m not interrupting you.
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Yeah, I’m just calling. I’m calling and, no, I did not vote for Trump. And I do think he did what he said he was going to do as far as the border goes. But, no, I did not vote for Trump.
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Is that it? I’m here. I’m here. Okay, thank you. Is that it? Okay, thank you. Candace, Clemson, South Carolina. Hello, Candace.
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Hi, Mike. How are you doing? No, I didn’t vote for Trump. I voted for Kamala, but I love what he’s doing with the border. It should have been done. Only thing I have against Trump is they’re not with the FEMA funds for North Carolina. When we got hit pretty hard, they’re not matching that. I saw on the news they weren’t matching them. They had stopped matching their FEMA funds 100%, and they’re not helping Arkansas. Other than that, I love this show. I listen to it every day. I am a Democrat, but I don’t agree with that men in sports and kids operation. We don’t agree with that. I don’t know what happened to the Democratic Party. It just went crazy. I mean, a lot of us are very conservative. You know, I like some of the Republicans. I like some of the Democrats. That’s all I have to say. I thank you.
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Thank you, Candace. I kind of like this. This is actually easier for me. I mean, really, I don’t have to put any work into this. This is actually going a little better than I thought it would. You happy now? Hey, South Carolina, you happy? Hey, Michigan, am I being an ass? Let’s keep going here. This is kind of good. I may be on to something here. Raul in Cincinnati, Ohio. Hi, Raul. How are you?
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Hey, Mike. How are you doing? I didn’t vote for Donald Trump, but there’s something about a politician that says he’s going to do something and actually does it. It’s, you know… It makes you kind of like the man, you know what I’m saying? I am a transplant to Cincinnati from California, and I guess I could see the world different now. You know, when you’re around a lot of people that think a certain way, then you think the same way as they do. And now that I’ve gotten away from California and the West Coast, I could see that. Maybe, uh, wasn’t always right. So, um, I didn’t vote for Donald Trump. I can honestly say as a liberal, uh, liberal at that, uh, I agree with it. I can see, I can understand how the wages were, were going to crap because I am in the transportation industry and I could see it now. Um, And I’m probably going to vote for him again if I get an opportunity. Thank you, Mike.
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Thank you, Raul. I appreciate your call very much. I’m turning my mic back on now. You should read the text messages from the jerks who were mad at me for interrupting. Now they’re mad at me for not talking. I’m not kidding you. Chicago, the stupid teenage OMG, you’re like a petulant child. Now OMG just wrote back and is mad at me for not engaging with the caller. So OMG says, first OMG writes, Chicago writes, OMG, you’re a petulant child when someone disagrees with you. Then they just wrote back a minute ago and said, oh, grow up. Now you’re just acting like a spoiled brat. You’re rudely. No, I can’t win. I can’t win. If I interrupt because I’m emotional and I get frustrated with stupid things people say, you get mad at me for interrupting. When I literally sit back and turn the mic off. And let people say whatever they want to say. Now you’re mad at me because I’m being a spoiled brat for not talking. You can’t win. You cannot win. That’s the way it goes in this world that I’m in. That’s just the way it goes. And I proved it. Thank you. And Marlene, really nice. Marlene gets it. Marlene in Minnesota says, Mike, I am sitting here convulsing in laughter. I know it’s making you crazy to not engage with these crazy callers. I love you. I love Trump. This is Radio Gold. And by the way, it is your show. So there is a point. Oh, my gosh. And listen, it’s just the way it kind of goes. Sometimes, as somebody just said from Pennsylvania, you can’t win with these people. You know the old saying, Mike, the haters are always going to hate. That was good. That was fun. I really did. It was kind of fun to do that. Just to sit back, go ahead, and tell me how you’re glad the border’s closed, but you don’t like the way we closed the border. You’re concerned. Okay, that makes sense.
