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This episode of https://Ready-Radio.com tackles one of the hardest preparedness questions of our time: how do you stay safe—and wise—when emotions, protests, and authority collide? Using a widely discussed incident in Minnesota as a real-world case study, John Rush and Pastor Bill Anderson ( https://www.prep2protectco.com) strip away headlines and politics to focus on decision-making under pressure. What happens when lawful orders meet resistance? Where is the line between standing on principle and escalating a situation beyond repair? They explore situational awareness, bystander risk, and why avoidance is often the most powerful self-defense tool. From vehicles as weapons to the
SPEAKER 11 :
This is Ready Radio, preparing you to be ready for anything. Now, here’s your survival guide for Ready Radio, John Rush.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, another edition of Ready Radio. Appreciate you all joining us. Bill Anderson with me today. Bill, how are you, sir?
SPEAKER 11 :
Hanging in there. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m doing very well. And I haven’t talked to you since the holidays have all been over. How was your holidays?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, you know, busy as all holidays can be. Yeah, we had like 17 people over the house. Nice. Pretty busy, yeah. Lots of learning lessons with our prepping conversations because, you know, we had planned to smoke a prime rib on the trigger. And, of course, when I go out there to start everything, getting all these error codes, and that’s just… Lots of little lessons that it’s like, you know, I talk about this stuff, but jeez, I sure… Stuff comes up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, stuff comes up. It was sort of like the power outages we had right before the holidays as well, which didn’t get a chance much to talk about that because of the holidays. But anyways, we’ve got plenty to talk about today. We might be able to tap into some of that as well. But let’s start off first, Bill. Again, never good when there’s loss of life. And I’ve watched lots of videos on this particular event, specifically the one in Minnesota, that really has been plastered everywhere. There’s more video out today even showing some of the taunting by this particular person’s, I guess, wife or girlfriend, or I don’t know exactly the relationship there. Don’t care. It doesn’t matter. But lots of taunting going on on the front side of things prior to the actual event happening. And I thought we’d just kind of talk a little bit about that.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know again, and I talked about this this week my dad always taught me that when there’s trouble going on You know you go the other direction Yeah, I’ve seen lots of videos and and I think there were errors on both sides of it You know and watching interviews. You know from from people on both sides They’re they’re really coming at it from a huge polar difference and and It’s really sad to take an event that’s happened, right, wrong, or indifferent, and politicize it so much like it’s what’s being done. And that’s just the nature of the world we live in these days. And if you are so set on only receiving your information from one angle, then you’re probably going to be influenced heavily towards that you know, line of thought versus, hey, you know, what can we learn from here? And from our standpoint, you know, taking away the right, wrong or political side of things, we want to look at it as, hey, if we were in this situation on either side, what might we have done? And I think, too, John, that Some of our actions are also kind of dictated to us by the conditioning. Right. If you look at the agent, the ice agent, why did he have his phone in his hand? Why was he taking video with his phone? You know, is it because he’s been so conditioned that. and I have to defend myself no matter what I do, and I have to have some kind of documentation to justify whatever is going to happen here, there’s an error there. Obviously, not every agent can be equipped with a body cam, you know, that comes at a great expense and you just can’t do that. But, you know, why did he feel the need to do that? Why did, was there some, you know, some level of, Hey, I’m trying to get documentation. Maybe I’m trying to, prove a point with my phone. And then on the other side, why aren’t you being compliant? You’re not being arrested for anything, but why aren’t you just listening to them? Why are you resisting them, putting the car in reverse, and then driving forward after you’ve been asked to get out? See, there’s issues on both sides there. And I guess the question is, what would we do if we were caught in that situation? What if Whether we’re, you know, the person standing in front of a vehicle or we’re the person in a vehicle, you know, how would we act? How should we act? And I think that’s really the lesson that we can talk about today, don’t you?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and I think, you know, we’ll go to the driver first. And I will say this sincerely because I know myself. Number one, I’m not going to be in those particular situations alone. Period. I mean, I’m going to do everything I possibly can to not be in there. These are individuals, by the way, for everybody listening, that sought out this particular situation. They had even been, according to the news reports, taunting earlier in the day. So they were there for a purpose. So let’s not forget that. They were there not on accident. This is something that they did on purpose. It wasn’t like they were caught up in something and then all of a sudden this happened. No, they purposely went and basically, quote unquote, found trouble. Now, I guess, Bill, if it were… So it’s a different scenario where this wasn’t law enforcement, and I still found myself in a situation where there was somebody in front of me, and I felt like, you know, my life was threatened, and we can get into that scenario because that wasn’t the case here. This was, you know, law enforcement that is giving a direct order to get out of the vehicle, stop, you know, stop what you’re doing, and so on. And, of course, that order wasn’t followed, and… And in turn, you know, as a driver, you then try to run over the person getting you to stop. I mean, Bill, no matter how you look at this, it doesn’t end well.
SPEAKER 10 :
It doesn’t end well, John, either one. You know, and I was talking with my wife on this earlier because it’s really a hard subject because, you know, to be honest with you, that’s what gave America its birth was the resistance to the government. That’s what the revolutionary war was. That’s what the, you know, the Boston Tea Party, all that stuff was, right? And it’s like, you know, there’s times when the people got to stand up and say, hey, to an oppressive, over-assertive government, you know, hey, we’re not going to do this. We’re going to resist. We’re going to stand. We’re going to, you know, protest, you know, and some of the protests, you know, that had been done in the past, you know, you know, particularly probably like in the 60s and stuff like that, you know, they were effective. And so we don’t want to tell people, hey, you don’t have the right to do that. And sometimes they’re justified. But then there’s also that very fine line that when is this becoming something that it’s not meant to be? And I think to your point, you know, some of the things that we’re seeing today are being pushed to that extreme. I’m not standing up. I’m not making a statement. I’m not resisting. I’m not, I’m more so trying to prove a point and or force something to happen. I believe that’s really the mindset, John, because like you said, there was a prior incident with these people. They could have been like, okay, you know, hey, maybe I go home at this point or whatever, but no, they push back. And again, it’s a tough one, John, because You know, I’m not telling people to cave that they don’t have a voice. That’s hard. I don’t even know really how to articulate what I’m trying to say with that.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, and I think, first of all, you have to, you know this as well as anybody, you’ve got to put things into different boxes, segments, whatever you want to talk about when it comes to the things that we’re talking about. I mean, is there time for disobedience, rebellion, things along those lines, especially when it comes to government? Sure, Bill, absolutely. We wouldn’t have the country that we have today if that were not the case. So absolutely, there’s a time and a place. for everything. In this particular case, and again, everybody knows where I stand politically speaking, but these are ICE agents that are in Minneapolis, don’t know exactly what they’re doing, but there’s ICE agents everywhere. And Donald Trump, because of his campaign and what he promised, was, listen, we’re going to stop illegal immigration. We’re going to take the bad guys off the street. We’re going to make sure that these guys are no longer affecting American lives in the way that they have been. By the way, crime rate This last year has dropped significantly, and I do believe in part because of a lot of what we’re talking about right now. So Donald Trump basically is fulfilling the promises that, frankly, got him elected in the first place. And this is not – what am I trying to say here, Bill? Anybody that would go against that, I look at that completely the opposite and say, wait a minute, time out. You’re going against – This administration and ICE agents, because you don’t like the law, because you like people living here illegally, and in a lot of cases shouldn’t be here in the first place, and I’m not talking about good, solid, honest, hardworking people. No, most of these ICE agents that are out there rounding up individuals are folks that, frankly, either are in some sort of a gang or have ties to gang or cartel or whatever, Bill, or they’re family members of, or in other words, there’s even an arm’s length relationship relationship, if you would, there. They’re not out there just rounding up everyday ordinary Americans. Yes, there’s going to be some of those, you know, not Americans, sorry, everyday, you know, illegal aliens. It’s not that they’re rounding up all of them, because that’s not the case, because we know that’s not the case, Bill, from the people that we even, you know, know and associate with. At the end of the day, typically speaking, these are people that are the bad actors, if you would. Now, All of that being said, you and I both know, Bill, that when you go through and do some of the things that are happening right now, sure, you’re going to catch some folks. You’re going to have some folks that maybe are those. And this is where it really gets dicey for even you and I as conservatives. I mean, if they’re here illegally, they’re here illegally. They’ve already committed a crime. i get it there’s a lot of different opinions on how big is that crime is it a civil crime is it a federal crime you know what is it at the end of the day and there’s a lot of difference of opinions on that let’s face it they have committed a crime by crossing a border illegally and if you and i went to another country and did that we would be asked to do the same thing we would be leaving we would not be staying it happens in every single country somebody like you and i would go and visit so why we do it differently here And America is beyond me. We’re not now. We’re enforcing the laws that we actually have. And my point is, for these people that are going against that immigration end of things, if you would, or this cleanup of our immigration system, you just have to wonder, Bill, what’s their motive at the end of the day? You know, what’s the ulterior motive?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and that’s always a complicated thing because, you know— You don’t want to be black and white, but you have to be black and white because without citizenship, without laws, you don’t have a country. Really, if everybody is deemed a citizen or it’s just wide open and you can come and go as you please, you don’t really have a country. And now you get into, well, they have rights. Well, what do you mean they have rights? They’re not citizens, so they don’t have citizenship rights. And, you know, well, then there’s the human rights. But human rights have nothing to do with the Constitution, right? There’s a difference there. And I think what they’re trying to do is they’re trying to blend them all together. And, you know, really, I think a lot of it is no matter what, because I saw a statistic today, and I don’t know if it’s true or not. That’s the frustrating part, John, is about the news you’re receiving. It’s like I don’t even know what to believe anymore. Right. But I saw a statistic today that the percentage of people through even this local ICE agent effort, the percentage of people who were arrested and deported that were not major criminals or gang members or stuff was actually lower than those that were deported under the past administration. Right, good point. You know, so it’s like we’re even saving… you know, we’re actually keeping retaining those people more than Biden did.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Right. Great point. Great point.
SPEAKER 10 :
But the whole thing is because they have hated, they hate the president so much that no matter what he does, right, wrong, or indifferent, you know, let’s invade Venezuela, do whatever. Obama, everyone did it. Everyone did it. Same thing, but for some reason when he does it, it’s just a mess, right? And then as you label us, the way we carry ourselves, the way we dress, certain things that we may have as part of our livelihood, if you will, kind of label us, oh, you must be part of them. And so now we have to be careful because we’re walking down the street and all of a sudden someone’s going to protest against us. You know, there was a huge push there for a while with this whole white privilege thing that just because you’re a white male, they’re going to assume, you know, assume something about you. But don’t assume them, hey, you’re a black person, so I’m going to assume you’re a thug. You can’t do that, but they can assume because you’re a white person, you’re a white supremacist. It’s just, it’s the culture, John, and it’s the way it is. But, you know, kind of to your point, you know… We’re to a stage now where these protests that I talked about, you know, from the 60s, from the Revolutionary War, the things that actually gained us, I think it’s a totally different motivation. And so as a officer, as someone, you know, that’s put in that position, I think you do need to protect yourself a little more. You’re going to be a little bit more hair trigger, if you will. You know, and there was another instance with that same officer that said, You know, he was hit by a car and drugged, so he’s already gun-shy, if you will, of dealing with a car. That’s right. You know?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and I think, you know, backing up to that, Bill, you bring up a great point, and I think this is something that all of us have to remember is when that person that’s in authority, in this particular case, again, going back and talking about why these two gals were there, and neither here nor there, they were there. So they end up there. They’ve got a lawful order that’s being given to them. They know, by the way, and this is something where, of course, nobody on the left is talking about that, but these two individuals know exactly who’s there, what they’re doing, and so on, and they’ve really got a vendetta against ICE agents in the first place. So an ICE agent is there giving them lawful orders on what they need to be doing, And they’re basically not going to do it. In fact, they’re going to gun the vehicle, you know, hit the accelerator pedal and try to, you know, try to, you know, speed over, run over, if you would, these particular officers. And I’ve seen, you know, some of the folks on the left trying to justify, you know, what happened with her and that, you know, it was over-aggressiveness on the part of the officer and so on. It’s ironic, though, that In Minnesota, Walsh just signed a law not that long ago basically giving any officer that is being threatened by a vehicle in that way with bodily harm to use force the way that ICE agent did. So it’s ironic that there’s actually a law in the books in Minnesota allowing officers, anybody that’s of the law, if you would, Bill, to do exactly what this particular individual did. And this is Minnesota. This is a very blue state, and yet they are protecting officers of the law in that manner. And yet now they’re all coming out against this particular ICE agent, and to your point, had had a run-in earlier with another vehicle that had tried to do this. And I’ll just say it straight up. ICE agents right now, out of all law enforcement, I mean, no offense, Bill, I don’t know that I want to wear a badge, period, and I’ve got a son that does. But in this particular case, I definitely would not want to be an ICE agent. Right now, they have got to be one of the number one targets of law enforcement, period, especially from those folks that are on the left. They are literally being targeted, you know, rocks thrown at them, different things being done, in this case trying to be run over, not the first time it’s happened. There’s been other instances of the same. And really, Bill, at the end of the day, this is, to your point, this is the left gone mad. And part of why we’re talking about this on Ready Radio is this can and will at some point affect the rest of us depending upon what we’re doing in our daily lives.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely, yeah. It’s coming to a city near you, right? Well, I mean, in Colorado here, we live in a similar culture, unfortunately, not necessarily in rural counties, but, you know, Denver Metro. And, again, most of these, most of Minnesota isn’t like this. It’s, you know, Minneapolis, St. Paul area. You know, I’ve got lots of friends in Minneapolis and – not Minneapolis, but Minnesota – that are like, yeah, we don’t think that way. So it’s typical of most every state where the general state is conservative, but you’ve got that pocket of, unfortunately, the higher populations that are that way and make the laws and stuff like that. But I just think there’s a lot coming on down in Minnesota, and the only thing I can think of is That could have been vice president. I’m just like, oh, my gosh, we got we dodged a bullet.
SPEAKER 07 :
We did. We did. And we’re going to take a break and we come back, everyone. Again, there’s some things along these lines, Bill, that I want to talk about for, again, our audience, the folks listening on a regular basis. You know, if you find yourself in a particular scenario, what’s the way to handle things? Again, this is Ready Radio. We talk about being prepared for the quote unquote what ifs. We’ll come back and do that and get into some of that as well. Don’t forget Bill’s website, Prep2ProtectCO.com. And then, of course, it’s Ready Radio, Ready-Radio.com. We’ll be right back. KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, we are back. Ready Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for listening. We appreciate it. Okay, Bill, moving along here, talking about the situation in Minnesota and the fact that, I think you said it rightfully so a moment ago, coming to a blue city near you, and yes, you’re going to see more of these, not less. In fact, what we just saw will most likely stir the pot. It’s going to excite some to actually go out and do more. And I think, too, one thing I didn’t mention earlier I should have is The amount of, you know, paid protesters that are at these events that, frankly, are only there because of a paycheck. But, Bill, they agitate or or if you would incentivize others to be there doing the same thing. It’s why in a lot of cases there’s, you know, these paid protesters. And so I think for us, we have to remember that. that those things are going on. And once again, as I said earlier, you know, in these particular scenarios, I mean, for me, best thing to do is just not be there. And I think if it were me and I’d been anywhere near this particular situation, even as a bystander, I’m not going to be, Bill, because, you know, all it takes is one little thing to go awry. And, you know, if bullets start flying, quote, unquote, I don’t want to be caught even in the crossfire because while those agents are – being as careful as they possibly can, you know, things can happen, Bill, and no offense, I don’t want to be there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, one thing that people fail to realize is that, you know, when you’re shooting into car glass, whether you’re in the car shooting out or shooting in, as soon as that round hits the glass, it’s going to deflect a different direction. That’s why… When we teach shooting inside of the car, you’ve got to shoot the window out because once that bullet hits it, it’s probably going to veer it either up or down or something like that, depending on the angles there. But it’s not straight through the glass. And so as a kid, when we were running around with our BB guns, we were always worried about the ricochet. And where does that BB go? Because it comes back at you. So to your point, let’s just say I was walking down the street. And this event happened. And one, I could have been hit by the car because if you saw, even after she was shot, the car continued to roll and rolled off into the sidewalk there. Or am I going to be, you know, the recipient of a deflected bullet because all these things happen? And it’s pretty much impossible. That’s why in my gun classes, you know, one of the NRAs is you always keep your gun pointed in a safe direction. Well, can you define a safe direction for me? You know, people say, well, not towards people. It’s like, well, the bad guy’s a people, isn’t he? So you just violated your own rule. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and in that case where there’s so much going on and there were other people hanging around and, you know, other folks that were there observing and so on. I mean, again, here’s the reality, Bill. In those scenarios when things like that happen, it’s really fortunate nothing else was injured. You know, nobody else was injured. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Nothing else, you know? Yeah. But so in my gun class, I say you, you point the gun in the, in the direction of the least consequences, you know, for you legally. So, um, which is another difficult statement, but whatever the point is, is, you know, you, you could not even be involved and, and become, you know, a, uh, a victim. How many times did we see? I can’t remember what city it was in. I think there’s been a couple of them where these people are just driving in the crowds now. Right, good point. Just driving into crowds. And I could be not part of any protest. I could be, heck, going to the ballgame or going out to dinner. Or if I live downtown, walking to my apartment. I mean, I don’t know. And all of a sudden now you’re getting rammed by a car or whatever. So the point is we understand the temperature rising situation. you know, it’s best to probably just stay in a safe zone. You know, I’m doing this new thing, John, it’s called school. Have you ever heard of school? S K O O L. No, it’s it’s a website where, so let me, let me divert here for a second. I have been being, getting kicked off of Facebook recently. uh, when I, you know, cause we, we do our sermons live from church and they are kicking me off for hate speech. And I’m like, well, what, what hate speech is this? And they say, well, when you mentioned sin, um, it’s hate speech. And so I’m like, okay, well then kick me off. I mean, sorry, that’s what church is. Right. So, um, so we start and do, I’ve been very busy the past few weeks of moving everything over to rumble and, um, trying to find these other platforms but even that you know rumble who knows as soon as you upload any kind of content to these they become the owners of that content right and so they can you know delete they can do whatever they want with that content and so you have no control so we opened up this account on this called the school thing where it’s you you join it’s like a you join my classroom if you will and then all of my content gets put up there, and I still maintain the ownership of it. So we’re putting all of our sermons, and I’m starting this whole prepping section on how are you a Christian and live with a readiness. And one of the things I’m doing is Proverbs in 30 days. You know, you’ve heard if you’re going to read the Bible, one suggestion is one proverb a day. There’s 31 days, 31 proverbs. So I’m starting a hey, here’s what today’s proverb is and a little lesson on it and stuff like that. But it’s interesting because the past six or seven, the very beginning there of Proverbs is all about living in wisdom. And that’s at the core of what we’re talking about here. And one of the analogies that I use is wisdom is protective. It’s not restrictive. And I think, John, we think that This is protective, especially when you look at church, and when church and religion says, hey, don’t do this, it’s restrictive. No, it’s actually protective. Just like I tell my kids, no, you cannot go play in the highway. That’s restrictive. No, I’m protecting you because you’re going to get ran over.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right, good point.
SPEAKER 10 :
And so, you know, when you’re dealing there in Proverbs, it says, hey, wisdom is protective. Wisdom says, don’t go play in the highway. Right. You know, here’s where you can walk.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, in this particular case, like my dad always taught us, when there’s something like this going on and there’s any kind of trouble, you just go the other direction. In other words, don’t go seeking out trouble. Trouble’s going to find you enough as it is, Bill. You don’t need to go find it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Right. Exactly. You don’t have to go, it’s going to find you. It’s definitely going to find you. I’ve been also doing this whole study on… and demonology and stuff like that. And one of the common sayings in all the books I’ve been reading is, you know, you have to ask the angels to intervene in your life. where the demons just find the place of least resistance in your life. They’re looking for the opportunity. So to your point, it’s like the trouble’s going to find you, right? So in times like this, John, we’d be a little bit more thoughtful about where we’re going, what time of day it is. I mean, that doesn’t seem to matter as much anymore, but we’re just thinking through our routes, our lives, And if my route takes me through, you know, by the by the Capitol building or by someplace where they might protest, maybe I just take a different route, you know, find a different way, you know, to your point. Just avoid it, you know?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, again, I think in a lot of cases things that – and these are things, you know, Bill, that we all can teach even, you know, those that are around us, you know, mentor those that are in some cases, you know, younger, not always, sometimes can be same age or even in some cases older depending upon the influence that we have. But, again, at the end of the day, letting folks know some of these things and really thinking through, okay, you’re going to go where – and when, and why, and ultimately, at the end of the day, what are you accomplishing by doing all of that? And I think if people were to ask that question, you know, more often than not, they would find themselves probably doing some things a little bit differently than they are, you know, currently, because when it comes to certain events and things, and, you know, we can even get into talking about, okay, you could just be at a parade with your family, having a good time, and by the way, nothing wrong with that. Well, Are you still situationally aware of what’s going on around you? Are you paying attention to sounds and things that, you know, might affect you? Are you, you know, internal into the parade? Are you out on the perimeters? You know, where are you at when you’re standing on the curb and so on? I mean, again, at the end of the day, you know, are you near something that would protect you if somebody did try to run into the crowd? I mean, these are things, Bill, that quite frankly, and I think if there’s anything I learned in traveling, You know, about 5% of people do the things you and I are talking about right now, and that’s about it. And that number might be high.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that actually might be high. It’s something I just talked about in my Proverbs lesson for today, actually. It’s the art of observation, and we need to be students of observation. This is so important. Not only observing the people around us, it goes for our loved ones, too. You need to observe what your spouse is going through. You’ve got to study them. You’ve got to study yourself. And you’ve got to study the scene and the situation because there shouldn’t be anything that comes out of surprise. I mean, if you look at that, if you go back to that same scene, and no matter what we talked about, being a bystander on a sidewalk or the cop or the person driving the car, all of those people had many, many chances to change the outcomes. Right. And if they were observing as to what’s going on, you know, I’m sorry. You know, the law enforcement officer has to understand. You know, how much this person, am I going to let them resist? Am I going to stand in front of this car? Am I just going to be like, okay, they’re going to zoom away. Let’s try a different pursuit. I’ve already got your license plate. I’ll track you down later. Something like that. Do I need to stand in front of your car? And were there three shots fired? I thought there was one straight to the windshield and two to the side. That I don’t know.
SPEAKER 07 :
The one I don’t know the answer to.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so, I mean, if that’s the case, I give in. If that’s the case, if I shot one in the windshield and then two on the side, did I need to fire those two shots as the car is beside me? The answer, in my opinion, would be no. You know, I mean, I don’t know. You know, I just would have let the car go. We already had the license plates. We already knew the person. You know, we’ll track you down later, you know, and so much could have been avoided. And then on the driver’s side, you know what? Hey, this is getting ramped up. I want to make my opinion, but I don’t need to escalate this. Do I need to put the car in reverse and literally try to get away as you’re trying to get into my car? Or do I submit to the authorities and be like, hey, if I’m doing nothing wrong, what are you going to get me for? You’re going to harass me for a little bit, whatever, no big deal. Right. I mean, I don’t know, John.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and again, I don’t either. I always am hesitant to take, I mean, in this case, to go against the law enforcement, not that I’m always for, because those guys make mistakes just like anybody else does. On the same token, I don’t know what all happened during the day. I don’t know how much provocation was being done. I don’t know what happened even 15 minutes prior to all of this happening. I mean, again, those are lots of things that maybe over time we’ll learn and figure out. And again, you know, I do have to look at this. You know, you’re talking about an officer that’s in front of the car that’s trying to get the car to stop that had already been run over once before, had multiple stitches from before injuries and so on. And by the way, everything I’ve read about this guy, he’s a really good, solid, you know, Christian family man. I mean, I don’t think this is some guy that’s totally off his rocker on some power trip. So I’m hesitant to, you know, to put any blame upon this guy because I didn’t see everything else that happened up to that point.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, you can’t just look at the snapshot. You’ve got to look at the whole picture. Correct. And we even talk about that in church. It’s like, hey, you’ve got to have what we call 20-20 vision. This is where a lot of verses and things get taken out of context. It’s like, well, no, let’s read a little bit before and a little bit after so we can get the context of what’s going on. Absolutely. And we have to do that. We also, I think, John, have to be, again, the Bible. I’m on this big kick that everything in my life is kind of, kind of going to the wayside, because we’re focusing on this, and I don’t know if that’s the Lord telling me that, you know, hey, you know, ramp up, this is where we’re going, this is, you know, I don’t know, I don’t know, I’m still sorting that stuff out, but at any rate, it’s like, you know, you have, be slow to speak, be quick to listen, you know, I mean, there’s wisdom in that, because when you open your mouth and start shooting it out, that’s when we all get in trouble, you know, think through a little bit more. That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, we’ll take a break. Our last break, we’ll come back, kind of finish things up. More to talk about along these lines, because I think you can dovetail this into other areas of our lives. We’ll come back and do that here in just one moment. Ready Radio, again, it’s ready-radio.com, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, we are back. Ready Radio, KLZ 560, and I was commenting with Bill off-air there. This is, for a lot of you listening, this is a deep topic, and I’m not trying to brush around it at all, Bill. It is. There’s a lot of just thought-provoking things that go on when these types of things happen. I think initially there’s a lot of knee-jerk reactions, which you have to be careful to not do, although this one in particular, as you start to— go down the path of fact-finding and letting things unfold and looking at what things actually happen and led up to it. And I said this yesterday, and I’ll still say this again. This is a scenario where one single person is literally to blame for everything that happened, and that’s the driver of the vehicle. They could have very easily diffused all of this, number one, by not showing up because they didn’t need to be there in the first place. And then second of all, if you’re going to show up, then you’re going to suffer the consequences of interfering. It’s that simple, Bill. I’m sorry to say, but this one’s pretty cut and dried.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and again, it goes back because I struggle with the principle a little bit, not the morality, but the principle of it, John, because it’s like, you know, we should be able to live in a place that if we don’t agree with something, we can say something. We don’t just need to stick our head in the sand and oh, just go along with the system. You know, I mean, I’m experiencing that.
SPEAKER 07 :
And really quick, my response to that would be we have multiple ways to actually do that. And when it comes to immigration and the enforcement of and interfering with ICE agents, unfortunately, Bill, for me personally, that’s where, you know, I cross, you know, that’s where it crosses the line. If you don’t like the way the immigration system is, then either run for office, vote, do something different. There’s many, many ways in our world today in the United States of America whereby you can counter that immigration interfering in their operation, in my opinion, not one of them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and it’s very contextual, I agree, and that’s why I said principle speaking, because what if the context would change? What if they, all of a sudden, the government agent, I don’t care what they are, says, ìHey, you can’t go to church no more. You can’t read a Bible. You can’t say the name of Jesus anymore.î Now, we would be the ones on the other side of the fence there.
SPEAKER 07 :
And really quick, I’ll throw this out. There’s been a few situations in the past with another three-letter agency called ATF, whereby they, in my opinion, overstepped their authority many times, entered into homes, frankly, that I don’t think they had before. authority to do, ended up with search warrants that, frankly, were about as fraudulent as it gets. I mean, at the end of the day, these are things that, yeah, and those are situations, Bill, that I would use as a comparison to what you’re talking about right now, where it’s like, wait a minute, time out. What do you have going on here? Why are you doing this? And there’s definitely some individuals in the past that resisted those Those particular authorities, and by the way, rightfully so. Now, in this particular case, and I don’t think there’s any record of, because trust me, if there was, the left would say so. Is there any record here of ICE doing something as an operation that they weren’t allowed there to do? Believe me, Bill, if they were, you’d be hearing about that everywhere. I don’t see that, again, meaning that in this particular situation, with these particular young ladies, and I don’t know how young they are, but these particular ladies, let me say it that way, basically total interference, because that’s what the left has drummed up. That’s what they want.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and again, it gets hard, and you start looking at principle, and I think that’s where it gets… Contextually, we can say, hey, we don’t believe any violation against the Second Amendment. And John, I think the part where I struggle with it, and again, it’s a morality issue, you know, that’s the line that’s being drawn. I mean, it’s not a morality issue what they’re doing versus, you know, telling me I can’t go to church or whatever like that. But it very well could be, because here’s the reality of the situation. Call it whatever it is, but in their mind, right, wrong, or indifferent, in their mind, they are fully convinced that they are making the moral decision and standing up for a moral decision. And so you, like I’m saying, hey, you can’t stop me from going to church, and I will die on that. You know, you can’t stop me from reading my Bible, I will die on that. You can’t stop me from saying the name of Jesus, I’ll die on that, right? They, too, have that same zealousness for what they’re arguing with. And I think that’s That’s where I start to have issue with it. Not what happened and all this, but it’s like, well, if the tables were turned, if that ICE agent was going door to door pulling Christians out, burning down churches, and I went and blocked my car so they couldn’t get to the next church, am I any different? I mean… Again, take away the context. Just take away, look at the principle, the morality from the person. And that’s where I start to go.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, but I think this is, and you as a pastor would know this full well, that’s where we collectively have to know the difference between what’s morally right versus what’s you know, morally wrong. In other words, in this particular scenario where they’re enforcing the laws that we have on the books, and this has to do with immigration, and by the way, these are laws that the majority of Americans agree with, otherwise they wouldn’t have elected Donald Trump. So the reality is we’re talking about not even democracy and majority rule, but literally Donald Trump was elected on one of the things being we’re closing the borders, we’re going to reduce crime, we’re tired of the lawlessness and the things that are going on in the country, which by the way has to do with Marxism, that’s a conversation in and of itself. But the reality is, in this particular case, these guys weren’t doing the things that you and I are talking about, which, by the way, I would say would be, in that case, morally wrong. If these guys were going door to door and were infringing upon our religious freedom, which we have through not only the Bill of Rights, but God himself, yeah, that’s a totally different scenario. And I get what you’re saying. Yeah, these people feel the same way about their cause as you and I do about our causes. The difference is… They’re not morally correct. They’re wrong in their thought process. That’s the difference.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, and I understand. And it’s Daniel, you know, in front of Nebuchadnezzar, right? Hey, you’ll bow down and worship this? No, I won’t. Throw me in the lion’s den. I don’t really care. But it’s the same thing. But, you know, we also have—let’s take it home here and go, okay, well— We have the Second Amendment, which gives us the right to bear arms. However, our state has chosen other approaches. And so what law do I follow? Do I follow the state law or do I follow the federal law? I mean, this is just the things that go through my mind. And again, I hope the listeners understand I’m not defending her. I think everybody knows where I stand on this situation. I’m just trying to process everything. And by the way, this is what should happen. This is what should happen, John. We should be able to have a discussion and turn over both sides of the stone and go, let’s take a look at it from a different perspective. Maybe we’re missing something here, you know?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, no, and by the way, I can’t disagree with that. And these are conversations why we’re having this conversation today. Yes, it’s ready radio, it’s preparedness. But a lot of this, you know, again, a lot of the things we talk about, Bill, preparedness-wise, at least in my world, comes down to not just the physical exercise of, but the mental exercise. In other words, you know, not only on what are we doing physically to be ready for things that come our way, but mentally, what are we doing? Unless you mentally exercise some things and really even go through some of these scenarios as to okay if if something were to happen in my world where am i drawing the line you know what am i willing to to sacrifice at any given time i think those things are very important for us to to think through and have these exercises and believe me what’s happening in the country right now is is definitely at least in my world exercising you know my mind and i’m still one in this particular scenario where you know um I know a lot of law enforcement individuals. Are they all perfect? Of course not, Bill. I’m not perfect. You’re not perfect. They’re not perfect. But in general, if you look at the amount of officers that we have nationwide, and you look at the amount of issues we have with officers, and there’s bad apples in every single thing that’s out there, from talk show hosts to preachers to tax accountants to you name it, Bill, I can go down the list of every profession out there. There’s good and bad in each one of those. But by and large, and I talk about this even on the daily program, if you look at the amount of officers that we have on a nationwide basis and you look at the actual incidents we have of one of them going rogue and not doing what they’re supposed to, all in all, Bill, we live in a pretty darn good country as far as our ratios are concerned.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, everybody wants to focus on the minorities, whether it’s rights for a particular person people who view their genders a certain way. I mean, it really is a minority that gets blown up to the, hey, this is what we need to do. Everybody needs to bend to this, to your point. And here’s why we have this mental exercise, too, because if not, you’re becoming reactive. So what do I mean by that? If I’m in the situation, the situation is given to me. If I haven’t gone through this process yet, If I haven’t worked the scenario out several times in my mind, which is what we do on the radio, then I become reactive instead of proactive to it. You know, we should see this rep of what the situation is, you know, a hundred times, right? That’s why we spar in the gym. We fight, you know, out in the gym so that we don’t have to fight, you know, in the street because I’m not reactive to it. So, you know, to your point, we have these mental reps, these mental discussions so that we can go, okay, if I am going to go out, I have a purpose as to why I’m doing it. one and you know, let’s, let’s walk through what that might look like. What am I going to resist? When am I going to give in? What am I going to do here? Or on the other side, Hey, if I have this encounter, what am I going to do? So, yeah, I mean, and, and their statement of law enforcement doesn’t get enough training. You bet. I mean, nobody can train enough for that. I mean, these guys are literally facing the worst of the worst on a daily basis and they don’t understand. they get, they get, um, handed to, right? So when you deal with the worst of the worst every day of your life, you kind of revert to always seeing the worst in people. And that has, that comes at a cost that comes at a cost. You know, and so they need to walk with wisdom, I think, in that, too. As law enforcement people, it’s like, you know, hey, not everybody out there is bad. But I need to keep my hands up because not everybody out there is good. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I think, you know, really quick, going back to, I want to throw this scenario out, and this is for a lot of folks that are listening, where you might be, Somebody that either concealed carries or you might find yourself in a situation where, unfortunately, maybe there’s a scenario like this where you’re not law enforcement, of course, but you’re standing in front of a car for whatever reason. That car now is trying to run you over. What do you do in that scenario? And I guess for me personally, Bill, I’m probably one where I’m going to go ahead and move, get out of the way. If that person wants to try to run me over, I’m going to do my best just to remove myself from that scenario. And I know I’m speaking out loud, but in my mind, the reps that I’ve done, I’m not firing. I’m not shooting. I don’t feel confident enough in doing those things. You know, there’s too many other variables that go on, as we’ve talked about through this particular show. You know, personally, because I’m not law enforcement, I’m stepping out of the way and letting that person go do whatever they want to. I typically am going to have a cell phone. You can hopefully get a recording, and there’s plenty of others around typically that are in those scenarios. I’m going to do everything I possibly can to record who that is and then deal with that at a later date. I personally am not going to fire into the vehicle.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I think that’s the biggest thing. The only fight you can guarantee you’re going to win is the one you don’t get in. And de-escalation is really your number one self-defense tool. Don’t get in a fight to begin with. And that’s a hit to a lot of pride and a lot of ego. But at the end of the day, you probably have more value to your family, to your loved ones, to your community. than you do going out and doing something like that. You know, in six months, unfortunately, this woman’s name is probably going to be forgotten, probably in six weeks. I mean, we had a George Floyd, you know, and they’re all bringing up George Floyd again. But, you know, honestly, it’s becoming so frequent that, you know,
SPEAKER 07 :
names are just… Especially in this particular scenario where this one is really… I mean, yes, there was another side of the fence with George as well, but in this particular case, it’s really cut and dried, especially the more video evidence that continues to come out. There’s just not going to be a lot of defense on her side of the aisle when it’s all said and done. Frankly, I don’t think there’s much right now, Bill, but they’re going to try to keep it that way. But to your point, I will tell you, by the time we’re on air next Friday… This is already a done deal by then.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s a done deal. Now, let’s go back. Let’s play this scenario out real quick. Let’s bring her back and take her back.
SPEAKER 11 :
three days prior to this and go, hey, you’re going to do something and you’re going to die over it. Is it worth it? Is it still worth doing? Yeah. Is it worth it? Is it still worth doing?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And really, at the end of the day, me personally, in this scenario and even a lot of other ones that even you and I have mentioned, is it worth dying over? No. No. I mean, there are scenarios where I would say, yes, it is. But frankly, Bill, there’s only a few of those in my world that would be.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, and ask her kids. I mean, I think she was a mother of three. She’s from Colorado, by the way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, she is. And I think her youngest is six, I want to say. The other kids are a little bit older, but the youngest is six.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, ask her kids if it was worth it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and I already know what they’re going to say. Absolutely. No, Mom, you shouldn’t have done that. And, you know, we could even hear the partner saying, oh, gosh, I made a mistake. I shouldn’t have told her to do that. I mean, now you’ve got all the regrets happening, which, by the way, Bill, always happens when there’s a mistake made like this. All the regrets start to flow, and that’s exactly what happened at that moment. yeah nope i lost you bill you still there yep well we got bill all the way almost to the end i’ll do this bill i lost you but i’ll get things finished up here for the show not a problem at all and we got about a minute left here and and i don’t know what bill was going to say but what i would say is yeah this is a scenario where and i think a lot of us and this happens on both sides of the aisle And there’s scenarios that come up where people make, you know, snap decisions on what they’re going to do at a particular time. And what most folks don’t realize is those snap decisions have long-lasting impacts, in fact, lifelong impacts. In this particular case, it’s affecting not only her life that’s ended, the life of her partner, whoever she is, and then, of course, her kids, as Bill just mentioned earlier. a moment ago. Those are the things that are happening and the outcome of. And again, Ready Radio, we want you to be prepared for the, you know, quote-unquote, you know, what-ifs of life. And we just, in my book, I just don’t want any of you listening to ever be caught up in something like this. And again, I take the advice that, you know, my dad always gave us kids. If there’s trouble, you go the other direction. The last thing you want to do is be involved in something that, to Bill’s point, you just don’t have control over. And at the end of the day, that stuff’s going to come back to bite you. So as we go through Ready Radio in 2026, we start talking about more preparedness things and from everything like this to what do you have on the shelf. to what other kind of gadgets might come along in 2026, to what other kind of uprisings we might have. Again, we never know. We don’t have a crystal ball. We don’t know what’s coming around the corner. These mental exercises that we take you guys through on a weekly basis is what we’re here for. We’ll continue to do that. And if there’s something you see, something you want us to talk about, by all means reach out. Go to ready-radio.com. This is KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 05 :
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