The National Crawford Roundtable‘s latest episode delves into the intricate world of secure communication, sparked by recent controversies surrounding the Signal app. Hosts Neil Boron, Bob Dutko, and John Rush gather to discuss the reliability and security associated with apps like Signal, which promise end-to-end encryption and have previously received endorsements for use in government circles. However, a recent alleged security breach drew public attention and scrutiny, prompting a critical examination by our hosts.
The guys take a detailed journey reflecting on Signal’s inception and development as a secure messaging app, weighing its historical benefits against the current challenges facing its users. This detailed analysis invites listeners to consider the broader implications of using such technology in sensitive situations, especially how the messaging app’s reputation might be impacted by such breaches.
The discussion moves into more nuanced territory, examining the effects this security breach might have on political maneuverings and national security. The hosts are not limited to shedding light on the specifics of the Signal app itself but extend the dialogue to overarching concerns about technological dependence and cybersecurity threats. They emphasize the inherent challenges in navigating these waters in the digital age.
The episode further ventures into examining how this incident was portrayed in the media spectrum. It reveals how political biases can sway public perception and media narratives. As they unpack this layered conversation, Bob, Neil, and John maintain a neutral stance, evaluating how trust and credibility are negotiated on both political and media fronts.
Supporting partnerships with sponsors such as Preborn and SunPower LED are highlighted in this episode, drawing connections to how these relationships sustain broader discussions and efforts. These mentions demonstrate the interwoven nature of their programming as they address both the podcast’s content and its commercial elements.
The latter part of the episode emphasizes accountability as the hosts call for a deeper investigation and suggest procedural improvements to prevent repeat mistakes, thereby protecting important information. By sharing vivid anecdotes and contextual analysis, they aim to raise awareness about the vital shifts needed in our approach to digital security.
In conclusion, the episode provides a multifaceted perspective on what Signal’s controversy means for individuals and society at large. By reframing the dialogue around the app’s strengths and vulnerabilities, the National Crawford Roundtable continues to deliver compelling insights into the intersection of technology and national security.
In this episode of the National Crawford Roundtable, the hosts dive deep into the recent headlines surrounding the Signal app and its reported security breaches. As they debate the supposed advantages of using Signal for encrypted communication, they slowly unveil the complexities associated with national security protocols. The conversation touches upon the inadequacies of current systems and the need for more robust safety measures, especially in light of potential political impacts.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome, another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. I'm your host today, John Rush, out of Denver, Colorado, Rush to Reason, Bob Duco from Detroit, Michigan. With the Bob Duco Show and Neil Boron from Buffalo, New York. Neil Boron Live. And there's no secrets. We record this in the morning on Wednesday. So, guys, good morning. Good morning.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hi, John. How is... Hey, I got your signal text earlier, John, so we're good.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, good, good. I'm glad. Make sure we don't have any... Did you add any reporters onto it? That's the question.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, no, but I did, Joy Behar was on there from The View, so hopefully that's okay. She's a friend.
SPEAKER 02 :
She's a friendly. Yeah, friend of the show, friend of ours, absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, by the way, that's, as we all know, a big topic in the news, and there's lots to discuss. I wanted to get you guys' opinion on some things. I have some thoughts as well, but let's just, might as well guys just dig into it. So those of you that, unless you're living under a rock, you probably have heard about the quote-unquote security breach with the Signal app. For those of you who don't know what the Signal app is, it's a messaging app. It's been around, by the way, for quite some time, probably over a decade, I want to say. It was one of the first encrypted type apps out there, even before a lot of the companies like Apple came up with iMessage where it was secure. They did Signal to encrypt things end-to-end so people couldn't, you know, hack in and see what the messages were and so on. And there's some debate over how secure the actual app is. But from my recollection and what I studied in the past, Bob, I'll start with you. It's actually a pretty secure app. So for those that are out there saying that, you know, this should never happen, they should never communicate that way. It's actually one of the most secure ways to talk, you know, end to end. We'll get into the, you know, the quote unquote breach and why was there a reporter, you know, added into this, you know, maybe a little bit later. But let's just start with number one. Is this an app, Bob, that they should even be using?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I don't see why not, first of all, because the way that it does work, and not to get too tech in the weeds, but when messages are sent through Signal, they're encrypted. Well, the only way to open them or un-encrypt them, if you will, is from the recipient. And so that's why it's kind of a closed message from sender to recipient. Now, you can have multiple people on a chat, but once again, the recipient is the one who who is able to unencrypt, if you will, the message that comes through. So it's not floating out there in cyberspace. While it is, it's in encrypted form. And so that's one of the reasons why the Biden administration itself, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, which is part of the Department of Homeland Security, while Biden was in the White House, specifically recommended for government use the Signal app because of this very thing. So when Trump's people got in place, when Hegseth got in place, when all these guys got in their positions, Tulsi Gabbard and the rest of them, their phones that they were given and their government issue phones and computers already had the Signal app loaded into them, downloaded into them already. So this was already an approved thing in the previous administration. I don't think there's any reason for the new administration to think that it shouldn't have been there. So I don't have a problem with using the Signal app itself for this. To me, John, and this is I know we're going to be diving into more of this here. OK, what about how this Jeffrey Goldberg guy got in there? That's a fair discussion to have. In a general sense, I would just say this. Let's not go to one extreme. which is to say this is a 100 percent nothing burger. Who cares? No, it's a security breach. It ought to be taken seriously. It could have been a sabotage from somebody inside who really knows. So that is a security breach. And those kind of conversations shouldn't be made public. But you can't go to the other extreme, either, like the Democrats and the media are doing. which is to treat this like it's a date that will live in infamy, the biggest security breach and national security crisis in the history of America. And no, you had internal deliberations among the Trump team about, hey, should we strike or not strike? How much should Europe be involved and whatever? And OK, well, then here's the plans that we're going to carry out. Well, guess what? Nothing got affected. The plans were still carried out. The strikes still happened. They were still successful.
SPEAKER 02 :
And we're talking about the hooties here. No offense. This isn't like we're talking about Russia and Ukraine. We're killing terrorists. This is like a mosquito on our arm.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, these are Iranian proxy terrorists that have been blocking the Suez Canal and shooting. By the way, there are over 170 attacks on U.S. naval vessels just within Joe Biden's last year, and they did nothing about it. So this is a successful strike. We're taking them out. Nothing got affected. But it turns out that behind-the-scenes discussions— were made privy by the security breach of Goldberg's name being put in there. Okay, fine, learn from our mistakes. Let's weed it out, figure out how that happened. But the Democrats and the media are taking this. They're doing what they did with January 6th. They're taking something that was wrong, but they're exploding it into a date that will live in infamy and the biggest threat on our democracy since the Civil War. It's overblown. So this is serious, needs to be taken seriously, but not as seriously as the Democrats are trying to turn it into.
SPEAKER 02 :
Couldn't agree more. Neil, your thoughts?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I mean, that's kind of what we do, right? I mean, like in politics, they're going to use this against conservatives because it's going to be to their advantage to do so. But I'm not opposed to them using the Signal app, to be honest. I've never used it, so I don't know exactly how it works. I do know that it is used by journalists. It's used by government officials. It has a pretty high level of confidentiality. national security works or where the nuclear football is when the president's in the bathroom, that kind of stuff. I don't know all the details of that. Those kind of things fascinate me. I love watching movies about it. But the real issue is how did this guy get on that feed? It isn't so much how secure is this app? But then it's sort of, you know, it's the attempt to cover all this without just admitting it. Like on the one hand, on the one hand, they're saying, yeah, you know, Donald Trump said we got to learn from our mistakes. That's right. And we're going to learn from this. But but like. Well, what's what's why throw Jeffrey Goldberg under the bus? I know they don't like him and he's been very critical of Trump. But, you know, the Atlantic is a horrible newspaper. It's probably going to go out of business. And Jeffrey Goldberg is horrible person. And maybe the horrible person is the one that put him on the feed. Like, where did that happen? So I don't know. I think that it looks silly to try to attack Goldberg as opposed to just owning it and saying, yeah, this happened. Thank God it wasn't worse. What if the person added was, back in the day, Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden? What if that was the person that was accidentally added? It is a big deal. Fortunately, it doesn't look like Goldberg did anything with that in advance of the strike. He didn't call some source he had.
SPEAKER 02 :
I don't think he believed it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, true. You're 100% right. Like, how in the world did I get included on this? But he didn't take it so public that anybody could have reacted and actually caused a problem with that whole scenario. So the U.S. was effectively able to carry out that strike. But, yeah, it raises some real questions. Like, how did that happen? I don't know. I want to see the answer. And hopefully it gets dealt with so it doesn't happen again.
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SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, I mean, to me, I think for me personally, Bob, is it something serious? Yes, as you said. I think the bigger question is some of what Neil is talking about right now. It's like, okay, how do we make sure this never happens again? Who is in charge of putting this particular... group together? And was there any ability to communicate, which in a lot of cases, in the defense of all of the participants, they may not have had all of these different numbers in their contacts already. Now, given the fact that these are government-issued phones, somebody screwed up there, by the way, because all of these numbers should have already been in there with names associated to who these particular individuals were. And when you notice that there's a number there that has no one's name associated with it, That should have been somebody's first red flag if you're doing it the way that I'm talking about doing, Bob. And again, these are things that structurally speaking, somebody needs to go back in and review and say, okay, to make sure this doesn't happen again, let's make sure that anybody that we're going to have in a chat is already in your phone in the contacts. And if there's ever anybody that all of a sudden appears, there's a number that appears that's not in your contacts, somebody needs to be asking some questions.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. They do. And so, look, there's no doubt that they need to get to the bottom of who did it. Look, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I can't rule out the possibility that you don't have some anti-Trump deep state or double agent, you know, working in the department somewhere. who, you know, in the CIA or FBI or, you know, wherever, but just decides, you know what, I'm going to cut Trump off at the knees and I'm going to put, because of all people, if there's any, look, all of these people have the names and the contact cell phone numbers. pretty much everybody in the media, the friendlies and the unfriendlies and everybody in between. This guy is about at the top of the list of the unfriendlies. So the coincidental, if some journalist is going to accidentally be put in, of all people, this guy who has, he's got a history of telling lies and printing lies about Trump, the Russia collusion thing, that Trump didn't want to pay for Gold Star family's funeral because they're Mexican or the bloodbath of the suckers and losers hoax. So this guy, it makes me suspicious that somebody did this on purpose on the inside and they need to be weeded out. But John, I do want to say, though, I want to expound on something that Neil was talking about earlier, because I got to agree with Neil on something here, and that is that I don't think it was a smart move for for the administration officials, Hegseth and others, to try to make the story what a sleazeball Jeffrey Goldberg is. He is, and I'm not saying you don't bring that up as part of the branch, okay? But you don't hang your hat on that.
SPEAKER 02 :
The thing that you do is say— No, somebody else screwed up. It's not—I mean, even though the guy's a scumbag, he didn't screw up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. I said this on my show yesterday. You could take the biggest liar in the world, and if that biggest liar says the grass is green and the sky is blue today, you don't attack him for being a liar. You say a broken clock is right twice a day, and this is one of the few times he actually is right about something. So you completely own it. You say, man, this was a screw-up, but let's put this screw-up into context, all right? We don't have government secrets being put out there like Hillary Clinton did. No, we have an internal discussion that shouldn't be made public as we were debating the logistics and the pros and the cons of these strikes. And then the strikes were carried out. Nothing got hampered. Nothing got hindered. It was successful. And we took out some really bad terrorists at the same time. So good stuff was happening. Unfortunately, somebody messed up and gave somebody a peek into the room of deliberations. And that was wrong, and we're going to get to the bottom of it. And unfortunately, it had to be one of the most dishonest sleazeballs in all of media that received it. But it did happen, and we own it, and we're going to fix it, and it won't happen again.
SPEAKER 02 :
So, John, you and I talked about messaging. I think they stink on messaging. I hate to say it. Thank you. Same thing we always talk about continually is the messaging side of it. I love this administration. I love Trump. I love the people that he's put in place. But we just and by the way, it goes all the way down to even some of the local county level stuff that we get into on our side of the of the equation. We suck at messaging.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, can I add another aspect to the same thing we're talking about here? Not only did they immediately attack Goldberg, like this guy's in some sense sort of, if we understand the story correctly, maybe there's some other part we don't really know right now, but if we understand it the way it's been reported thus far, then Goldberg's like this innocent, he may be a sleazeball, he may be a jerk, he probably hates Donald Trump, He should have never been added. And that's major breach of security in that sense. OK, so just own it. Holy cow, this happened. We're going to make sure it never happens again. Secondarily, though, then you got Pete Hegseth at some point basically saying, look, this wasn't really classified information. Oh, and by the way, people pointing out he's got the ability to say what is classified or isn't classified. Well, I don't know what the exact definition of all that is, but let me just read what Goldberg wrote real quick. He said the information I received on this signal chat included the full name of an active CIA officer, human target, which he didn't reveal, which I give him credit for human targeting information that could affect an adversary's understanding of U.S. intelligence sources and methods. In other words, they were talking about who they were trying to kill in this attack. on the sequencing of upcoming attacks, the weapons used in forthcoming attacks, the exact times the attacks were supposed to start, information Goldberg said he received before the attacks were even launched, and real-time damage assessments that, again, could compromise sources and methods. One other thing, he said any responsible national security expert would consider the information contained in this signal chat to be one of the greatest sensitivity and would argue that this information should never be shared on non-government messaging apps. Okay, maybe you can debate that about whether or not Signal is secure enough, but the point is, But now we're trying to say that this was not, quote, classified information. Would any reasonable person think that this wasn't like really important military info?
SPEAKER 03 :
Neil, that's the messaging thing that I was talking about before. And I think you're absolutely right. This is the self-inflicted wound, which was not necessary. And I like Pete Hegseth. I do. I'm glad he's Secretary of Defense. But this was foolhardy to try to downplay the content of this. Just go ahead and let it say, look, to say there were no military plans and there was nothing classified, what you do is you make the debate now for the left. Can we prove that this really was military plans? Can we prove this really was classified info? And guess what? The Democrats and the media are going to win that debate. So why give that to them? Why not say we screwed up? Uh, we absolutely screwed up, but fortunately it wasn't a screw up that kept the operation from being successful. So these are the mistakes that we learned from. We're going to find out who did this. Somebody's head is going to roll, but I'd love to say we're perfect. We're not perfect, but we do learn from our mistakes and we own them when they happen. And by the way, can I just also say guys, uh, Here's something else you ought to be saying. Look how transparent we're being about this. If this had happened under Joe Biden, and let's talk about security breaches, but if this happened under Joe Biden, the identical thing, you know something? I guarantee you Joe Biden would not be talking to reporters and taking questions directly from them. The cabinet officials wouldn't be given access. The press wouldn't be given access to them at all. And Karine Jean-Pierre, all she would be doing is saying, I'm going to refer your questions to the Department of Defense. And other than that, with an ongoing investigation, I can't comment on this next question. They would be so opaque if this were the Biden administration. And this is being handled absolutely transparently so that the American people can see in real time the investigation of this going on. I think that... Stick with that and don't turn the debate into, let us try to prove that this wasn't really sensitive information. No, it was. Just acknowledge that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and the reality of what you just said, Bob, is even the hearing that's happened since I think it was yesterday, there were things actually talked about in the hearing that probably shouldn't be talked about publicly. Now you go back to the Democrat side and say, guys, wait a minute. If you're worried about this stuff being classified, quote unquote, then why are you doing this in, quote unquote, open court where C-SPAN and everybody watching can actually see what you're talking about? The same could be said now on the other side of the aisle. Bottom line, this is how I look at it. Major screw up on our part shouldn't have happened. They need to figure out how to fix that and make sure that it never happens again. And to your point, Bob, the communication piece of this, which I wish we did better, but we don't.
SPEAKER 04 :
you know ironically let me jump in for a second um normally we're having conversations about how donald trump has gone off the rails with some kind of a comment that makes him look deranged or whatever i mean there's a lot of damage control based on things that he said over the years but people have come to know that you know he says one thing but you better pay attention to what he's actually doing And he's been so effective in so many different ways. But while Pete Hegseth is trying to spin this thing, like that maybe this wasn't sensitive information and other people are saying, that this is all normal and whatever. Instead of just owning it, Donald Trump says, certainly we'll look at this. The main thing is nothing happened. That's a good point. Nothing happened. It doesn't make it right. It's got to get fixed. And holy cow, it better never happen again. But thank God, nothing happened. And then he said, generally speaking, I think we probably won't be using this app very much. That all sounds sensible. Trump's message was actually the best one of all of them.
SPEAKER 03 :
It was the best. That's my point. It's absolutely the best. How strange is that? He was the least loose cannon of all of the commenters. When does that happen? Yeah. I know. Which to your point, Rob. Actually, you do wonder, what about Susan Wiles? I mean, wasn't this a chance for her to basically immediately get a hold of this and say, all right, conference call, everybody. We're going to go on the same page as far as the messaging goes. Or maybe she's just not politically savvy enough as far as handling the media. I don't know, but somehow, some way they needed to say, here's how we need to message this. So we make the discussion, the right discussion and not the wrong discussion.
SPEAKER 02 :
I can't disagree with anything you guys are saying along those lines. And it is ironic, Neil, a moment ago that, and I want to make sure I say this correctly. It's not that I don't like Donald Trump or I don't like what he does as president and so on, but typically speaking, and Bob and Neil, both of you on you know, this, he typically isn't the best one when it comes to damage control and things along those lines. Typically he's just off the cuff and spews things out. And he's the last one you want discussing things like that. And yet he had one of the best answers we've heard yet. Speaking of all of that guys, again, he's the one who colored within the lines. He's the one coloring. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. I know. Again, can't speak highly enough about the sponsors that we have pre-born being really our longest running sponsor right now, Bob, and just a great organization saving lives.
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SPEAKER 02 :
All right, and that's it, guys, for this first half of the National Crawford Roundtable. Again, I'm John Rush, host of Rush to Reason, Denver, Colorado, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show, and Neil Boron from Neil Boron Live in Buffalo, New York. Guys, that's the first half. Second half coming up here in just one moment.
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All right. Second half National Crawford Roundtable. Welcome back. I'm your host, John Rush, Denver, Colorado. Rush to Reason is my show. Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show and Neil Boron from Buffalo, New York and Neil Boron Live. And guys, we talked in the first half about the whole security breach, you know, quote unquote, with the signal app and so on. And I know there's gonna be lots of different people that have lots of different opinions on that. I will say this just in closing that out. I do feel like these are rookie mistakes. And yes, we've got some rookies that we have put into place. I'm not giving anybody a pass because these things shouldn't happen anyways. But on the same token, I guess I look at it and I realize that if it was the other side doing it, we may not be looking at it exactly the same way. But in my view, These are rookie mistakes. We need to make sure that they get fixed. Trump said it best. Let's fix it. Move on. Fortunately, nothing bad, quote unquote, happened out of this and life goes on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. No, I couldn't agree with you more. And by the way, I like the fact that Trump is also standing behind his people like Waltz and others to say, no, you know what? I'm not going to be firing anybody over this.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Cabinet officials over this. OK. Somebody messed up. Something slipped through the cracks. It didn't affect the operation. It was carried out successfully. Bad guys were killed. All right. But we need to make sure that we learn from our mistakes. And that's what we're going to do. And we're going to move forward. So it's like, yeah, it really is ironic. We said this last time. Trump is the one who had the best message of everybody, the best communicated message of ever. John, I got to ask you a question. I know you got other things you're going to move on to. I do have to ask. I do have to ask you a question. I'm just kind of curious your take on something. OK, because it's out of Colorado. Jared Polis putting up the the fattened picture of Trump as a portrait. I know people are looking at Trump always being petty and childish because he's complaining about the portrait of him that's put up. But to me, Jared Polis is the one being petty and childish by putting up a clearly unflattering picture of Trump where the artist, who obviously doesn't like Trump, painted him looking like a fat guy way more than he actually really is. It's a bad portrait. It was awful. It was awful. Why would Jared Polis do that, put that up in the Capitol, other than to just troll Trump? Trump, hey, look at this fat picture of Trump that's not really accurate. Let's put that up of him. Come on.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, that's what we live with in Colorado on an ongoing basis. I know you have similar issues with Whitmer, other than I don't know that she's as vindictive in this. Queen Gretchen. Or Gretchen, yeah. She's probably not as vindictive as Jared Polis is. Jared Polis comes across for everybody out there listening who maybe don't know him. He'll come across as this... this guy in the middle, he's more of a libertarian. He'll even quote himself as saying that, I've got libertarian roots and this, that, and the other. No, no, no, no, no. This guy is through and through a gay Marxist man who, by the way, wants to rule and lord over you. We saw that heavily here in Colorado last through covid and even since and the reality is yeah bob he's going to do anything he possibly can to troll trump troll the republican party if you would the reality is this guy is not not at all on the conservative side period no matter what he tells everybody and the sad thing is here in colorado there's a lot of folks in the in the middle which by the way is our biggest voting pool here in colorado they believe this guy is everything that i just said a moment ago and the fact of the matter is he is not he's a is he a 28 contender Oh, man. I don't know. He's made some huge missteps recently, which the rest of the country probably doesn't know about. I would say that he could be, depending upon how things go, although I think this is probably a podcast in and of itself, I think Newsom is going to be their guy. I do, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
I totally think he's the 28 nominee.
SPEAKER 02 :
Now, could they run Jared or Wittmer or somebody like that as the VP? Now, that's probably more of where Polis would fit in.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Actually, I see Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmer as his VP. That's what I think the 28 race is going to be if I had to bet money now. I would agree with that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Anyway, I just wanted to throw that. I was just curious. No, no, no. I appreciate that. No, it's a good story. Quick, and this is maybe not a lot here, but there was an intelligence report that was – Interestingly enough, yesterday, based upon different things that they go through on a regular basis, they produce some of this intelligence and security threats and things that are happening around the world and what should we as U.S. citizens be looking at and so on. It was interesting as I was reading through this that China, Russia are also eyeing Greenland, meaning, guys, maybe Trump's not so stupid after all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, nobody's going to give them credit for that. They're never going to take that spin that you're just describing. And by the way, on the other thing about the unflattering picture of Trump, let me just say before I comment on Greenland, that when I worked in Washington, D.C. for two years, I was a news correspondent. We lived in Burke, Virginia, and I had to ride a bus to the Pentagon and then a subway into the heart of D.C. I worked two blocks from the White House back in the day, and that was around the time Clinton was running and then got elected. But I would stand at the bus stop waiting to catch my ride and there'd be the Washington Post and the Washington Times side by side. And every single time, like the Washington Post would say, you know, the Republicans are idiots. And there'd be a great picture of Clinton. But the Washington Times, which is way more conservative, would have a horrible picture of Clinton saying, you know, Republicans are the greatest thing on the planet. It's just unbelievable how that framing works. And if you think about it, I mean, it's this is nothing new. So taking a pot shot at the president like that is just crazy. But on the issue of. the the russia china thing and greenland you know i don't think donald trump is off his rocker and there's a lot of people that looked at it obviously from military military strategy and shipping channels and what's called uh the northwest passage but i honestly think the whole thing revolves around rare earth battles and i really think that knowing where we're headed technologically and everything right That's why they want Greenland. And we need rare earth metals for the future. Look what happened during COVID when all the chips were being made in China. Nobody could get any cars. We have several dealerships that are advertising partners of ours. And you go to the dealer and say, how's things going? They say, we don't have any cars to sell. Why? Because they couldn't get the chips. They were on super backorder delay. So I think Greenland's very strategic. And yes, for military reasons, and maybe that's the big selling point. But I actually think they want it for the rare earth metals.
SPEAKER 02 :
I agree with you. No, 100 percent. And I want you to comment. But I know this is involving a country that has its own sovereignty and so on. But I think if I were Greenland, I would be looking really, really if I was a citizen of Greenland, I'd be looking really, really closely at what I rather be associated with the Americans. Or do I want to be under China or Russia rule, Bob? And I think it would really behoove those individuals to think through what I just said.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And we've got to remember something too, okay, that every single piece of land or property that the United States bought over the years, over the last 200 and close to 50 years, was owned by somebody. We bought it from somebody, okay? And so why do we have this mentality that suddenly the idea of buying or acquiring something that we didn't have before is an unseemly thing to do these days?
SPEAKER 02 :
Unethical, off limits, something along those lines.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Were we being terribly rude and insensitive to the native Hawaiians when we were trying to buy Hawaii or to the Eskimos when we were trying to buy Alaska? I mean, come on. Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, we buy everything. territory. And that's a smart thing to do. Greenland is a very, very smart territory for us to try to buy. And yes, for rare earth minerals, absolutely, Neil, you're totally right on that. But also even for just a strategic protection and national security in that we're in the Arctic Circle. And as the space race gets bigger and bigger, if Russia were to ever attack us, it would probably be over the North Pole. Wouldn't it be great for the U.S. to have some kind of, I don't know, ironed-down system set up in northern Greenland? Who knows? So, yeah, we totally should try to get Greenland. And there's nothing wrong with us trying to. We've been doing that for 200-plus years. Hey, you've got land we want. Let us try to acquire it from you in a mutual agreed kind of way. Why should Trump be any different than the past?
SPEAKER 1 :
Right.
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SPEAKER 02 :
All right, guys, switching gears just a moment here or in this moment, let's talk about some of this university funding, specifically Columbia University, where because of some of the things that have happened on the campus, administration is basically saying, you know what, we're going to pull any federal funding that you guys have been receiving. Of course, all of these administrators and professors and so on, they're just up in arms. There's been meetings that have been held of late, trying to figure out exactly what they're going to do. And my first thought, number one, and Bob, I'll start with you, is I understand where some federal funding would happen on some universities for some things regarding maybe research and development of certain studies and things along those lines that pertain to us as a country, although I think there's far too much of it that goes out the door to these universities in the first place. But the reality is the Trump administration is not messing around. If you're going to hold protests and you're going to be anti-American, we're not going to send you any money.
SPEAKER 03 :
I got news for you, John, and maybe the libertarian in you is going to love this. I don't know why we're funding colleges in the first place anyway.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, yeah, don't get me started.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. If we're looking at individual grants, okay, fine. I don't have a problem with that. You have a particular college on a case-by-case basis, and they're doing some research that the Go ahead and offer some grants to individual colleges on a case-by-case basis for research-specific purposes. But just to say, oh, you're a college. Well, therefore, you're entitled to your big chunk of government funding. No, forget that. I think that ought to go away anyway. But absolutely, if a college is turning a blind eye – to anti-American protests, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic protests and things like that, celebrating Hamas, our enemies, designated terrorist organizations. Why in the world they're getting a dime? As a matter of fact, what I think they ought to do is say, not only are we pulling your funding, even the individual grants We're going to look for another college that's doing the same kind of research and give them the grants. You don't get a dime of taxpayer money until you knock off that nonsense. And by the way, if this were the other way around, does anybody think that a college that was hosting KKK rallies, does anybody think that they would be entitled to continue receiving government funding until they knock that nonsense off? Of course not. How's this any different?
SPEAKER 02 :
I agree. And by the way, for those of you that maybe don't know the number, this is a $400 million funding poll. So we're not talking about just a few million dollars, Bob. It's almost half a billion dollars. The reality is this is a large chunk of change. And yeah, as a university, I'm sure they're trying to figure out exactly what do they do next. But Neil, I can't disagree with Bob on any level whatsoever. There's a lot of this funding that goes on that, in my opinion, shouldn't be there in the first place, especially considering what some of these universities do in regards to indoctrination of our students and the anti-American theme that comes out of a lot of these universities. The reality is I'm with Bob. I'm not sure why we fund them at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and they were allowing some of the students involved in these protests to conceal their identities, etc. So some of these people are suspected to be involved with terrorist organizations, maybe being indoctrinated by some of these organizations, radicalized, I think is the correct term. But, you know... To allow protests on campus that are clearly anti-Semitic, ultimately you're teaching students or allowing people to hold protests that say, you know, hate the Jews, and wipe them off the face of the map, from the river to the sea, right? That was the phrase that was being used during that. So annihilate an entire people group, and Columbia University's gonna support this. Now you gotta understand, one of my best friends, lifelong best friends, played fullback at Columbia from 1978 to 1982. And, you know, I was all about him and his participation at Columbia University. But more recently, like, what are they thinking? And by the way, they've got a $15 billion endowment. So even taking away $400 million, I guarantee the interest on that exceeds $400 million. I just think the federal government has no reason to feel bad about saying, you want to do this? You're not getting any funding. And I applaud the Trump administration for doing it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and some of the stuff that they're talking about too, Bob, is some of the studying on the long-term health of children whose mothers contracted COVID-19 while they were pregnant. My feeling on that is, number one, do we really even need to be studying that? I can almost tell you through other studies that have been done exactly how that turns out. On top of that, shouldn't that be where some of the drug companies that have made millions of dollars off the backs of Americans through these vaccines, shouldn't they be funding that study instead of me as a taxpayer?
SPEAKER 03 :
They absolutely should. I mean, see, part of the problem here, John, I know you know this and Neil knows this too, is that we have altered our philosophy over the last several decades, really since FDRs started. you know, expansion of government. We just have this mentality that the taxpayer is supposed to be paying for every potential good and positive thing that can be done out there. And that's not how it's supposed to be. There's private donors are supposed to be doing these things. Yes, the companies themselves, okay, the pharmaceutical companies, they're the ones that are going to benefit when these discoveries are made. They can sell whatever pills are come up with. So, yeah, they ought to be funding that. Look, you know what? It goes even if I can kind of take a side tangent here, but it's connected to the same philosophical argument, John. Look at the investment of job creation and AI investment and such in this country. Notice the Biden administration and the Democrats, their philosophy is let's have a huge multi-trillion dollar spending program to spur investment. investment in this country, whereas the Trump administration's thing is, let's collect trillions of dollars of collected investment from overseas companies that are saying, we'll come into the United States. We'll go ahead and open up some AI technology centers. We'll do things like that in America. We'll ship our jobs overseas to the United States and hire Americans to do this. And John Q taxpayer doesn't pay a dime for any of this. But the U.S. government gets more tax revenue generated. We get more American jobs created. And it's telling other people, ship your jobs overseas into us. That's how Trump is handling it. And philosophically, that's the way it ought to be done. Yeah, and I'd love to see what the math on that.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'd love to see the math on that because what you're saying, Bob, is really it's the same thing in football. Your team, the Detroit Lions are about to go in and score a touchdown. That'll be seven points for them. But they throw a pick six, and somebody returns it the other way, and the other team scores seven. That's called a 14-point swing, ultimately, right? So somebody do the math on what you just described, like that the federal government's going to spend billions of dollars trying to research what we should do about AI versus bringing these other companies in who are going to invest in the United States. Good Lord. That's an incredible swing financially.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's why this is so forward-thinking. That's right. What it does, it goes against the grain of the groupthink that we've had for decades now. And Trump is... I'll tell you what, I think he is dramatically innovating the way that the United States even does business on a worldwide scale. And this is the kind of business acumen that needs to be brought to the White House. And I think this is a good thing if it can stick long term beyond his administration.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, you know, some of this stuff, guys, will stick long term. I mean, we could go through some of the companies that have agreed to invest in the U.S. I was just looking up, I was talking about this yesterday, Hyundai. They're going to invest $21 billion in the U.S. They plan on building about 1.2 million vehicles now in the U.S. A lot of this is coming out of the tariffs, which I know we've talked about plenty in the past, which we get a lot of heat for talking about. I'm not really sure why, because at the end of the day, this is the type of stuff that comes out of it. And guys, these are, you know, to your point, Bob, these are expansions. These are things that will happen that, you know, Hyundai, just because a new administration comes in, isn't going to pull that all out and then go someplace else when they make that kind of an investment. This is a decade plural type of an investment that they plan on doing for for at least the next 20 years or they wouldn't be doing it at all.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, look at United Arab Emirates. This is the latest one to announce $1.4 trillion investment into the United States over the next 10 years for semiconductors, technology, AI, all that kind of stuff. Taxpayers aren't paying a dime of it. That's money coming to us and our people being hired, by the way, from an Arab Muslim nation that Donald Trump is supposed to be such a danger and a threat creating a Middle East World War III. Really? I'm not seeing it.
SPEAKER 02 :
And again, to Bob, that's another one where it's a 10-year minimum commitment, meaning if it's 10 years on paper, it's more like 20, 30 years when it's all said and done. I mean, these type of investment guys will be around when all three of us are long gone and not even talking about this on air any longer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they're not going to pull up stakes and leave unless Democrats get in control and then start saying, well, now we're going to take the corporate tax rate back up to 35 percent again. That's the kind of thing that could cause those jobs to be shipped overseas sometime in the future.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, you are exactly right. So all of you that hear some of this whining and complaining and stuff that's happening on a lot of these universities because of this funding being pulled, first of all, go look and see what this actual funding is funding, and then ask yourself, could that university, to Neil's point a moment ago, use some of its own endowment money to fund some of these things? On top of that, could they go out and raise some private donations to handle some of these things? Again, this expectation of, and Bob, you said it well, This expectation of, oh, we've got the American taxpayer on the hook. They'll pay for these things. We'll use that other money to go further basket weaving, underwater basket weaving and women's studies. We'll put the money into that instead because we all know money is fungible. So keep that in mind as well. All the rest of you that are out there paying taxes. The reality is when these universities get one dollar from you as a taxpayer, that frees up another dollar somewhere else to go spend on whatever other nonsensical thing they want to spend money on, Bob.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. I could not agree more. And, you know, I this is a bear with me. I'll take about a minute and share with you a quick anecdote. But it's on the side. It's a way that we need to be thinking the way that Trump thinks. Long time ago, way before my radio days, I used to be in the retail business. I owned a chain of sportswear stores throughout southeast Michigan. OK. But when I was launching the company, I had one store and I needed funding to generate the growth of my company, but I didn't have the money for it. So I got a call from the president of this commercial real estate company, big real estate company. And he was doing a training seminar for his salespeople and he had me on speaker and he was calling up old people that they leave space to to see, hey, are they interested in opening up new places? So he calls me, and I could hear him on speaker. I could hear people in the background. It's clear he's given a sales training class to his people. And he says, yeah, one of our people leased your space a couple of years ago. I'd like to know if you're interested in expanding. And he introduced himself as the president of the company. And I said, you know what? I am. I'm interested in opening up a whole chain of stores throughout southeast Michigan, but I want to use your money to do it. And there was just this awkward silence. And I said, you want to take me off speaker now? Yeah. And he took me off speaker, and he said to me, you know what? I've never had somebody talk to me with that kind of cojones before. We got to meet. We met and talked. We ended up forming a partnership, and I used his money to help expand the company.
SPEAKER 02 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 03 :
But it's you use other people's money.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's right. Okay?
SPEAKER 03 :
Why not use foreigners' money to come here and bring us jobs at the same time?
SPEAKER 02 :
Amen.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they're going to profit through it as well. They'll profit as well.
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