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All right. Happy Tuesday, everybody. Welcome. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and Andy, thanks for filling in last week. I appreciate that as well.
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Always happy to help out around here.
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Lots to cover today. Had a lot of fun. Oh, yeah, there’s never a dull moment, especially now.
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Yeah, well, first of all, some of the movies were rather interesting, but we also had a really, really fun talk about immigration. Oh, good. Yes, yes. We had John Fabricatore in here, and he is up for being the head of ICE.
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Nice.
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He’s possibly going to be the head of ICE. He came in studio for an hour.
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Nice.
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And along with Todd Watkins, and they talked about how will Trump actually do mass deportations. That was fascinating.
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Awesome. I will actually go back and listen to that. Okay. I appreciate that. Impossible question before we get into our topic in this first segment. We’ve got a lot to cover today, by the way. On November 30, 1876, the first Thanksgiving college football game was played. The two teams were Yale and Princeton. So there’s your answer from yesterday’s. Impossible question. Today, what modern-day item made a cameo in the final season of Game of Thrones? Anybody know? Charlie knows. Yeah, Charlie knows the answer. I did not know this. I did not know this either. That’s not a big series for me. I never watched it.
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It was… The last year wasn’t very good.
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I know. That’s kind of the way they die out. Yeah. Lots of series that way.
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And the show got too porny for me. I never liked that.
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I never got into it at all.
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Well, I really liked a lot of strategy. I thought there were some incredible performances in it. Peter Dinklage was spectacular. And, you know, Angry Elf.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Angry Elf, yes.
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He was fantastic. Really quick here. You had a little talk with a gentleman on here yesterday. Yeah. And it was about disciplining children.
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Correct.
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Can I give just a few quick scriptures?
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You know what? Let’s do this first. Okay, go. Because this is hot news right now. Oh, please. That a lot of folks may, maybe you’ve heard, maybe you haven’t heard. South Korea.
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Oh, okay. Okay.
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They have a lot going on there right now, which typically they’re usually kind of a stable ally. We do a lot of trading back and forth with them. For those of you that maybe don’t know, Hyundai, Kia, that’s their headquarters in South Korea. They are under, right now, martial law. Things aren’t going well there at this point in time, Andy.
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Well… Their leader put them under martial law. I thought that their Senate or whatever, their parliament revoked it. Is that not the case?
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I have not kept up on the news. This was earlier this morning that I was reading. I did not read up on things the last few minutes.
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Yeah, basically, he is very concerned that they, the people under him. OK, they I guess and I don’t know. I don’t know how South Korea is broken down. I’d have to read more into it. Yeah, it says right here. Martial law.
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Yes.
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Yeah. It has ended in South Korea. Bottom line is this. Their leader supposedly is more conservative and the parliament is more communist friendly. And he is very concerned that they have too many sympathies with.
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you know communist china correct that’s what i was reading right and so he wanted to stamp down on that and um they his quote was to safeguard a liberal south korea from the threats posed by north korea’s communist forces and to eliminate anti-state elements i hereby declare emergency martial law that’s what he had said uh earlier yeah and apparently they overrode him There’s a lot of turmoil going on right now is the point.
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The bottom line of this is, John, South Korea has historically been more right-leaning.
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Correct.
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Now they could be swinging left-leaning.
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All the more reason we need a Donald Trump right now.
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Yeah.
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That’s my point with all of this. Well, yeah. Very much. That’s why we need a Donald Trump. That was how I wanted to start today’s show off.
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Well, what’s it going to be like if both North and South Korea are on the same side?
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We don’t want that.
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No. No.
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We have done a lot. I don’t know if some of you – some of you probably know this. A lot of you conservatives probably at least know this. We have done a lot to help South Korea after the Korean War and so on. We did a lot to help, quote-unquote, prop them up, technologically speaking and so on, Andy. We’ve done a lot to help them get to where they’re at right now. The last thing we need is that going away. Yes.
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Well, and there are people who would regard South Korea as the most Christian nation in the world. More than us.
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More than us. Yes.
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Yes. And I don’t know, but that was 10, 20 years ago. So I don’t know where that is right now. But I know South Korea had become very Christian. and very capitalist, and very freedom-oriented. And it just sounds to me like they’re moving away from it.
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That’s scary. The liberals have taken over. Is that the case?
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Well, they infiltrate.
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Yes, they do, including the church.
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Look what they did here with the church. You’ve been talking about it.
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Yes, I have.
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I mean, the church in America right now is a mess. I wonder if that’s happening in South Korea. I have no idea. But I will say this. If they let communists take over the government, the church will be in real bad shape in South Korea.
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Yeah, and the only reason I wanted to start that off was because that’s big news right now. There’s a lot of folks maybe that are following that, and if you didn’t know about that, it’s probably at least worth following. Again, just sort of a reminder that, and I know lefties don’t like hearing this, but all the more reason why we need leadership like Donald Trump rather than somebody that wants to send $750 million once again to Ukraine, which is what we heard today as well.
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Well, he’s just completing the payoffs.
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It’s absolutely nonsense, Andy.
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It’s just payoffs.
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It’s all it is. We’re just continuing on with the same mantra that we’ve been doing all the way through the last three-plus years.
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John, can you even make a guesstimate of just how much money the Biden family has made from their overseas dealings?
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Hundreds of millions.
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And I mean not selling any products. You know, the Trump family, they sell products, okay? I’m talking about selling pure influence.
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Hundreds of millions of dollars, Andy.
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My gosh, it’s got to be staggering.
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Enough that they will, none of them, the regime, we’ll talk more about that today because we’ve got things to talk about with the pardon and so on, but enough that none of them will ever have to quote-unquote work again. Not that they ever have, but yeah, exactly. You get my drift. I get your drift. They are, and some of the family members, i.e. Hunter, very young. has a lifetime ahead of him of never having to really work again. Not that he ever has, to your point, but this just sews it up that he doesn’t have to.
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You know, the funny thing is, John, Hunter was the one who was the hardest working in the family.
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And he didn’t do much.
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Well, he did it as a criminal. But what I mean is, yes, but he was a hardworking criminal. True. Good point. There are texts that, you know, they’ve intercepted. I think they were texts, maybe emails, but I think they were texts of Hunter being very, very angry about, With the rest of the family because he was basically supporting them by making all these deals, cutting all these deals. Right. And he was very angry. You know, a lot of people wonder, well, why did Joe pardon Hunter? Well, we got to keep in mind, Hunter was the bag man for the family. He was the funnel through which all the money came into the family while selling Joe’s influence. If they had let Hunter go into prison, he could have churned on him.
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We’ll talk more about that.
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Yeah.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We’re going to talk more about Hunter Biden’s pardon at the top of the 4 o’clock hour because I wanted to squeeze in here, Andy, because you and I have talked a little bit about this in the past. Yes, I’ll criticize where it’s due. And for those of you that listen that are on the left, you hear me criticize both the left and the right because I’m an equal opportunity critic.
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Criticizer. Critic.
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And what I mean by that is if something’s not being done right, I’m going to point it out whether it’s on the left or the right. And I feel like part of my job here as a host is to do that. I’m not just going to cover for one side and criticize the other. I will criticize equally. Which, by the way, when you constructively criticize, that’s how you make things better, Andy. That’s how I view it. Am I wrong in that thought process?
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Yes, you are correct. You are not wrong. And look, I mean, you don’t become stronger with less truth. By walling out truth. True.
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It doesn’t help. We were talking a moment ago about Scripture, and we’ll get back to some of that, because some of that Scripture that we were mentioning in the 3 o’clock hour, we had a caller call back in and sort of set the record straight, I guess you could say. But a lot of times, Scripture is taken out of context. But in this particular case, when there’s the iron sharpens iron, What I see in that is, okay, if we’re not holding each other accountable to the things that we’re doing, then we’re never going to be better, right?
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Oh, absolutely. And it’s even more interesting if you look at what iron is. Iron is a metal that is very strong, but it is also very bendable. Right. Okay. And so the whole idea is this. When we are together with those, you know, not just in the church, but in our families, business, anywhere. Heck, on a radio show.
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In general, that’s right. Right.
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we have to be able to withstand – first of all, we have to be strong enough to tell somebody the hard truth. Correct. Bring the iron. And you also have to be able to let it sharpen you like iron. You can’t be brittle. That’s right. You can’t just – you know what I mean?
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Be unyielding. For example, and most of you don’t know this, but I admire our engineer Charlie greatly, more than he probably would ever know, because there’s a lot of times where he’ll, during a break, even come back and say, you know – You probably should have said X, Y, Z in that last segment. Let’s make sure that we clear that up when we come back. Right. Because there’s things that maybe didn’t quite come across to the audience correctly. So let’s clean that up. And for me, I don’t take – I mean, I don’t get offended at that, I guess I could say, Andy. I look at that and say, okay, that’s how I become a better host because I want those criticisms, which – Maybe it’s a criticism, maybe it’s not, but some would think of it that way. Well, I’ve got thick skin. I don’t see it as a criticism. Let’s clean that stuff up and make it happen the way it’s supposed to.
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Right. I’ve been here when Charlie has done that. Like, you’ll say something in a certain way, and I will hear it in my ear. Charlie will say, hey, when you come back, I would add this and this.
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Clean that up.
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Right, because people might be hearing it this way. And do you just say, well, hell no, I’m the guy. I’m the Michael Jordan of this show, okay?
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I want to be better. Jordan rules. I want to hear those things.
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I’m the king. We’re going to do it my way. No, you just say, yeah, that’s a good point. And we come back and you jump right in.
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I want to know how to be better, Andy.
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Okay, well, the bottom line is people who are running our state party, I know we keep coming down on them. But, folks, we’ve never had leadership like this ever. They don’t do this. I have had to deal with… some of their people who literally are trying to cancel and censor opposing voices across various pages in Colorado, Republican pages here in Colorado, basically telling them, you know, shut this person down, shut that one down. Don’t let them speak. I’m one of them. And it’s like, guys, if you can’t hear the other side. Now, I can understand if I just come at them like this screaming troll. I get that. I understand. But if I’m coming at them with information, details, facts, which we do.
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Constantly.
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Then they’re going to get stronger if they listen to that.
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Okay, so I’ve got an email. Sorry, newsletter that was emailed out.
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Yes.
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And there’s a copy of this that we’ll put in our show notes because you guys can come back and actually look at this for yourself in case maybe you don’t subscribe and you don’t get the Colorado GOP’s emails. This is a short one. And so I want to read to you one of the recent ones. I’ve got a couple that we’re going to talk about today, but this one in particular. You probably know the Colorado GOP Central Committee voted overwhelmingly to sue Colorado to get rid of open primaries. Andy and I have talked about that a ton, but let me continue. Representatives from virtually every county voted for it. You might not know or might have forgotten that. The Colorado GOP did sue the state in federal district court. The case is moving forward with the next hearing date in early 2025. You definitely know why success is so important. Open primaries have selected GOP candidates who lose in general elections. That’s because unaffiliated voters dominate open primaries. We’ll come back to this. I want to finish this and then I’ll come back.
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Go ahead.
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Even Democrats masquerading as unaffiliates participate in open GOP primaries. The voice of GOP voters is muzzled by open primaries. Opponents of conservative principles couldn’t invent a better scheme to defeat GOP candidates. Renting ourselves of open primaries isn’t free, it isn’t cheap. Lawyers must be paid. Contributions from GOP supporters are necessary to achieve victory. Please contribute to this fight for the Colorado GOP lawsuit against open primaries. Information about how to contribute can be found below. Best regards, Maurice Emmer, member of the Colorado GOP lawsuit committee. Committee, again, a fund has been set up with the Claremont Institute for Constitutional Jurisprudence, which is a 501c3 organization, and these contributions can be tax deductible when itemizing your tax deductions. Please specify that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, in other words, this was an email sent out to garner dollars to fight this open primary system we have in Colorado.
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And this email was full of utter crap. Total crap, by the way.
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None of this is true, by the way. No, no, no. Hang on. Let me back up. Yeah, go ahead. It is true that we’re suing as a state party the Colorado, you know, the open primary system we have in Colorado. So that part, yes, in fact, is true. I have said numerous times, stop wasting your time and resources on this.
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Right. And it’s also true that the Colorado GOP Central Committee, the SEC, voted overwhelmingly to sue Colorado. Well, of course. I get that. As you and I have said many times, the SEC right now is dominated by the Liberty Wing.
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Yep. It’s a very small nucleus of people that are running things.
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Not the Trump supporters, the Trump onlys.
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It’s even worse than that, Andy.
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Yeah. It is a rabid faction.
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That’s right. That’s a better way to say it.
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That represents very few Colorado Republicans, and this is why they get demolished.
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Probably less than 1% of Colorado Republicans, by the way.
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Well, fewer, yeah, because, look, they come from the caucus assembly group, which fewer than 1% of Colorado Republicans attend, okay? And then they put forth, remember, they put forth 18 endorsements in contested races in the primaries.
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Okay, so really quick, just to make sure that we’re correct on this. this yeah because i want to make sure we correct because we just we went through the numbers not that long ago on actual registered colorado republicans correct yeah which was around if you remember right i don’t have it in front of me it was around 960 000 or yeah it’s just short of a million it’s just short of a million so in fact let’s be let’s be kind because it’ll help with the numbers so we’re not skewing things one way or the other let’s just call it 950 000 Fine. Okay, so what do you feel the SCC consists of? What’s the number? I don’t know that number. How many are in the SCC?
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Oh, gee, I forget.
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Is it under 1,000? Is it 500, 300, 200? What is it? The SCC, I think, is three-something. Okay, so let’s be a little generous and say 350.
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I can’t remember. Sorry.
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Let’s just, again, we’ll be kind to them.
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I mean, you’re talking 64 counties. Gee, I don’t know, but go ahead.
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Okay, so I use 350 as the number.
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Yeah.
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Okay, maybe that’s a little low, maybe that’s a little high, but let’s use 350. Whatever. Okay, that is .03. No, it’s .003% of the 950,000.
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Right. And we have to keep in mind, then their comeback to that would say, yes, but they were voted in there by their constituents.
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They are representing… Regardless, it’s less than 1% of the party.
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Yeah, because the people who voted them in are the people who go to what? Assemblies.
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That are probably still maybe 2% of the party.
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They are the people who go to central committee meetings. They are the people who go to these meetings. Okay. That’s well under 1% of the party.
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Okay. So all of what we just said is less than 1% of the 950,000 registered Republicans in Colorado.
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Because what happened over the last couple cycles is the liberty groups, which organize regularly. John, do you organize regularly with… No. No, you don’t, right?
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I don’t.
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Okay. I’m going to have to use this word, the normies. Ordinary Republicans don’t meet once a month at these groups. They don’t. And I love these groups. I’ve spoken at them. I’ve been part of them. I’m not calling them bad people. I’m just saying they are a very small group. These Tea Party groups that are now Liberty groups and so forth, they meet regularly. That means that they can mobilize their numbers. to have greatly outsized influence at caucus and assemblies. That’s why they want all of our candidates chosen through caucus and assembly. Why? Because they can overrun caucus and assembly. They don’t like primaries. Why? Primaries, there are too many people, and therefore these small groups cannot mobilize and overwhelm them. These small groups overwhelmingly support Dave Williams. all right? Correct. They put him in power. Correct. He is in power because of a small group that has dramatically outsized power. Right.
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Okay, go ahead. No, no. So, by the way, perfect segue. We can come back and talk more about this because, again, this was a… Message sent out, GOP newsletter, if you would, quote unquote, soliciting dollars to come into this quote unquote legal fight against Colorado and the open primaries. Yes. And I want to talk when we come back why, number one, this we’ve already talked briefly about what’s wrong inside of this particular newsletter. But I want to talk about, Andy, the fact that we’re raising money for something that frankly is a waste of money.
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Well, yeah, and let me take one step further, and then we’ll come back.
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Okay.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And yeah, the topic of this particular newsletter, and I’ve got some other things I want to talk about when it comes to the newsletters that come from the Colorado GOP, but in this particular case where they’re literally soliciting donations for the legal fund, quote-unquote, to fight open primaries. That’s essentially what this particular newsletter we’re talking about right now. And again, just to remind everybody that, number one, Andy and I are, no, we’re not fans of open primaries, okay? We’ve said that numerous, numerous times. But I will also say, and Andy and I have said this many, many times throughout the last year plus, probably two years we’ve been talking about open primaries on this particular show. They’re here. This lawsuit, by the way, isn’t going to end them. The only way, and I’ve said this many, many times, the only way to end open primaries in Colorado is put it back on the ballot. That’s how we got them in the first place. The only way to really correct them is go back to the voters and say, do you want to end open primaries? Start a proposition. We just had an election a few weeks ago where several propositions either were shot down or they made it through, Andy. It’s what we do in Colorado. This is a state that’s very famous for running amendments and propositions on Election Day, correct? Absolutely correct. And the way we got open primaries was through that process. I want to remind everybody.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And those who oppose the open primaries would come back at you and say this. They would say, yes, but this is a private organization. Other people should not be voting themselves the right to vote in our primaries.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, the argument back to that is… There are tax funded or there’s tax dollars that go into running both parties when it comes to the election process, including the primaries and so on. So the argument back would be, then why shouldn’t we be able to vote on how they’re done collectively as citizens of Colorado, you know, residents of Colorado?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And let’s face it, there are any number of things that a party does that have to go according to various state laws, regardless of whether you’re a private entity.
SPEAKER 03 :
And again, I’m going to make sure I repeat, I wasn’t a fan, nor did I vote for open primaries when they came out. I’m just giving you what the rebuttal would be for those that would say we’re a private organization.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And I think our big issue today, John, is not whether or not you and I like open primaries. We don’t. I believe, ideally, only Republicans should choose who represents Republicans as candidates. I agree. But it is what it is right now. Well, and here’s the thing. The state party has set up open primaries as the big boogeyman that are causing all the world’s ills. What I what I always say is this. OK, if you want to oppose open primaries, that’s fine. But don’t grossly exaggerate the impact that they are having.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
And this is where they made the mistake.
SPEAKER 03 :
In other words, don’t lie to people about the impact they’re having because they’re lying. They’re flat out lying.
SPEAKER 05 :
Can I read one?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
OK, this is right out of the letter you just read. It says, and I quote, open primaries have selected GOP candidates who lose in general elections.
SPEAKER 03 :
Actually, the opposite is true.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s because unaffiliated voters dominate open primaries. Now, by the way, unaffiliated voters do dominate. Why? There’s more than twice as many of them than there are of us. Open primaries. And I wrote a whole post. I’m not going to go into it. It’s way too long. But I tore this apart. I said, this claim is wildly untrue. I will now examine this claim and I invite anyone to dispute me. By the way, nobody has.
SPEAKER 06 :
Of course they can’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. And I made just two basic overriding points. First of all… Many Colorado GOP candidates lose in general elections with or without open primaries. Why? It’s a blue state, folks. It’s been trending heavily blue for the last couple decades because of a mass of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of blue state voters who have moved here. Andy, probably millions. Millions.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, millions have. Yeah, I was too kind. Millions have moved here.
SPEAKER 05 :
Millions of blue state voters have moved here and completely changed the landscape here.
SPEAKER 03 :
And for those of you that don’t believe me on the millions, we’ve gone from a state that when I was a kid that was roughly two and a half to three million people to now five.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, yeah. so literally millions have moved and the influx has been overwhelmingly from blue expensive blue states why because they could afford to sell their homes at a greatly you know exaggerated price there come here and own a home with no loan okay that’s what they wanted to do and that’s what they did and and we have a great state to live in oh yeah let’s not forget that as well but they don’t want to move from california to alabama
SPEAKER 03 :
No, they want to move from California to Colorado. Right. Because other than the ocean, we have everything they’ve come to love about the outdoors and so on.
SPEAKER 05 :
And we’re not the deep south.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because they hate the deep south. Why? They’re blue state voters. Correct. Look. That trend going down, that downward trend, and the upward trend of the number of blue-leaning voters has been constant over the last couple decades. And so here you’ve got these people from the state party right now trying to come in and blame open primaries for our losses. And they totally ignore, by far and away, the biggest reason we’ve been losing, and that’s been it. Okay? That is dishonest.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. Okay. And by the way, my numbers weren’t too far off a moment ago because I just looked. Yeah, go ahead. 1960, so I was born in 64. 1960, we had 1.7 million. So when I was growing up, we were probably in that 2.5 million range or so, and it really started to boom in, I don’t know, Andy, probably the 90s or so is when things really kind of started to take off.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, I would say the early 2000s is when it really started because by 2010, we had 5 million.
SPEAKER 03 :
So we had gone from in 50 years, we went 1960 to 2010 from 1.7 to 5 million. Right. Most of that growth, by the way, coming in the 90s to 2000s.
SPEAKER 05 :
And the influx was heavily from blue states.
SPEAKER 03 :
And since 2010 to now, we’re actually approaching. I was low in my 5 million. We’re we’re almost six. We’re five, eight, five, eight, seven, seven in 2023. Right. So literally millions, again, have come in to change what you talked about.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. OK, so first of all, they’re lying because they’re not looking at the big factor for why we’re losing elections. We’re losing elections because there’s too many too many liberal Democrats here. Yeah. Or Democrat style unaffiliated or leftist type voters.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let’s say it that way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. The you voters, the unaffiliated voters here in Colorado lean left strongly. OK.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
And so. You know, they’re just lying by trying to blame this. That’s right. Secondly, here’s their big assumption, John, that what they’re saying from the state party is these unaffiliated voters. And he even says it in the thing he writes. They come in as Democrats undercover and they come in and vote in our primaries to give us these bad candidates that are not. Now, keep in mind that people running. the colorado republican party are the liberty style ron hanks style dave williams style yes people that’s what they think we should have as candidates are you with me yes okay and what they’re saying you know really quick in cd8 which we barely won with gabe evans right was their pick what was his name joshi okay which he is what andy
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s a Liberty candidate. So if they would have actually had their candidate, how well would we have done in CD8, Andy?
SPEAKER 05 :
There is a 100% chance we would have lost.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, gotcha. Not 99%, 100%. Absolutely, that seat in the U.S.
SPEAKER 05 :
House would now be held by a Democrat. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let’s go one step further and talk about which we might as well talk about the elephant in the room. That would be Lauren Bober, who switched.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
From what to what? She went from three to three to four. Right. So she went from three to four. She won in four, which we knew she would.
SPEAKER 05 :
And she was backed by the state party. They endorsed her. She was their Liberty candidate.
SPEAKER 03 :
Not at first, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Not at first, but then they endorsed her as the Liberty candidate.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. So what would have happened had she stayed in three? Lost. I agree. Okay. Dave’s CD5. How would that would have turned out if their candidate, him, Dave Williams, the current chair, if he would have actually won that primary, how would that have gone? Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, we won that one by 14.1%, so it’s a very red district. Dave Williams would have put it within five points either way. He could have lost that district.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree with you.
SPEAKER 05 :
He very well could have lost that district. I agree. And for those who don’t think so, I once again have to remind them of two things. Number one… Dave Williams would be easily the most hated because Ron Hanks didn’t didn’t win. He would be the most hated Republican candidate in the state, not only by Democrats, but by most unaffiliated who he blames for everything. He tells them to get off our lawn and by a lot of Republicans who resent him. He is the least electable Republican in the state of Colorado. And I’d like to remind people in North Carolina where Trump won. You know, North Carolina by a few percent. Our candidate for governor lost by an 18 point margin below Trump’s win. So he did 18 points worse than Trump did. OK, now. he’s not as bad a candidate as Dave Williams. Okay. We won that district by 14 points. Drop 18 off that, we lose.
SPEAKER 03 :
My point is, of the several that I’ve just mentioned, had we had it the way that the hardcore… I’m sorry I used that term.
SPEAKER 05 :
You don’t even have to use hardcore. They made endorsements. Had we done what their endorsements were.
SPEAKER 03 :
Had we done what that group in the party, because I want to be careful, because I’m a hardcore conservative. So I don’t want to label these folks that because I am one. But if the… portion of the party that’s running it now had had their way, we would have had, instead of the wins, we would have had the opposite and most likely would have had losses, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Look, they wanted—I just mentioned his name in CD3. I’m suddenly spacing it. Hanks. They wanted Ron Hanks in CD3.
SPEAKER 03 :
They didn’t get that. They got heard instead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Ron Hanks, 100%. Not only was Ron Hanks a 100% guaranteed loser in CD3 if he had been our candidate, but the Democrat candidate was running ads to help Ron Hanks and spending a lot of money on him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Telling you how badly he wanted to run against Ron.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, he was running ads against Jeff Hurd to help Ron Hanks in our primary. The Democrat was. That’s how bad the candidate that the state party endorsed was.
SPEAKER 03 :
And we had the state party actually endorsing all of what was going on there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Well, they endorsed, you got four candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
Even taking some of the same commercials and putting them up in their own social media sites.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you’ve got four candidates that they endorsed in these House races and contested races, okay? Three, four, five, and eight, okay? In three, had they gotten their way, we absolutely would have lost.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because they wanted Lauren to stay there. From the very get-go, by the way. Let’s not forget that part of this as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
Even going back further, they wanted Lauren to stay there. That’s right. Had she stayed there, she would have lost for sure. Okay, that’s why she left.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right, because she knew.
SPEAKER 05 :
But after she left, they then endorsed Ron Hanks, who guaranteed he was an even worse candidate than Lauren, which is hard to believe.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely, Andy. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
Ron Hanks is despised by everybody but a small group of… The GOP.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, and just I’ll go on record because I’ve said this many times. I’m one of those that despise him. So so you all know where I stand. I can’t stand Ron Hanks.
SPEAKER 05 :
He turned on us in 2022.
SPEAKER 03 :
The guy is a traitor to the party. And I’ve said that numerous times. And by the way, he’s in leadership in the Colorado GOP right now.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Well, let’s take a step back. There are four races, U.S. House races. And what I’m saying is the open primaries rescued us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Had it not been for them, we would have tanked.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because the state party made four choices. In CD3, their choice absolutely guaranteed 100%, no doubt about it, would have lost.
SPEAKER 03 :
L on the column.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. In four, their choice, Lauren Boebert, that’s who it turned out to be, she won, but she lost 12.5 points off our margin in 2022. Right. She was a horrifyingly bad candidate. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that’s not because we don’t like her, just bad candidate.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I would have voted for her in the general, absolutely. But their candidate who did win a primary lost us 12.5%, which is unbelievable. In five, their candidate, Dave Williams… Would have lost probably, or been really close. might well have lost that race, okay? Even though we won, Jeff Crank won by 14.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let’s just say this. It would have been as close of a race as Gabe had in eight.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m going to say this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Am I right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. I’m going to say this. If Dave Williams had been our candidate in five, we would have lost it. John, he’s hated from all corners of the state.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, he would have lost it.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m just going to say it. He would have lost. Okay. So there’s one that would have flipped. And then, yeah. And CD8 especially we would have lost.
SPEAKER 05 :
CD8. John Akjoshi lost the primary by 56 points. Okay. Do you honestly think in the general, our good candidate only won by 0.8%. I know.
SPEAKER 15 :
Barely squeaked by. Barely squeaked by. Literally squeaked by.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. In a primary that, by the way, two-thirds of that primary was unaffiliated voting in it. And they voted 56% against Janak Joshi. Do you believe in the general election they would have backed him enough to where he would have won?
SPEAKER 03 :
No. Zero percent chance. Point being… The money that we’re—this is really where I wanted to go with this. Number one, it’s a flat-out lie, this particular newsletter that was sent out. Terrible lie. And there is— It’s blaming open primaries. You can actually find this out on the Internet, because even if you didn’t get the email, you can still find it. It’ll be in our show notes for later tonight. On top of that, they’re trying to suck money from donors. to then, in my opinion, go waste it on doing something in regards to the open primaries. This is money that we should be collecting to help the next election that we’ve got coming up. Big one coming up in 2026, by the way. We’ve got governor and senator that we’ve got to get handled in 2026. This is the kind of money we should be raising, or the money we should be raising should be for that, not to go fight some stupid lawsuit. Absolutely. And yes, it’s a stupid lawsuit. Oh, it’s ridiculous. It’s a waste of money and time, but guys…
SPEAKER 05 :
They they’re trying they’re spending all their money going after open primaries, which rescued us in 2024.
SPEAKER 03 :
I just walked through it. Right. Why then defeat? You know, the way I’ve said it numerous times and Andy agrees with me. When you’re in business, you deal with the cards that are given to you. Right. You can’t go out and change the market. So what you do in business is you respond to the market that’s in front of you, and you deliver to it what you best can to then make money off of that. So in the case of politics, when you’ve got the particular market that you’ve been dealt with, respond accordingly and use it to whatever benefit you possibly can. Yes. That’s what you do, folks. Look, you compete in the market you have, not the market you wish you had. Don’t complain about the market. That’s how businesses go broke, by the way. They complain about the market. Oh, I can’t do this. Oh, I hate that customer. Oh, I can’t do anything for that guy. I can’t do anything for that gal. I can’t do anything for that particular family. These aren’t the customers I want, so I’m just going to go ahead and keep doing business like I’ve always done, hoping that the right customer walks in. That’s a business destined to fail.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. You’re not dealing with the market that you have. They’re not dealing with the market that they have. And this is why they endorsed candidates who would have lost in that market. It’s wishful thinking.
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SPEAKER 05 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, John, really quick here from this letter.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Once again, he said open primaries have selected GOP candidates who lose in general elections. We’ve already shown it was the exact opposite. Okay. He then goes on to say this. Even Democrats masquerading as unaffiliated participate in open GOP primaries. The voice of GOP voters is muzzled by open primaries. Opponents of conservative principles couldn’t invent a better scheme to defeat GOP candidates. Is that what really happens? Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
There are basically four kinds of people who vote in open primaries, unaffiliated, who vote in Republican primaries. I’m going to give them to you really quick. First ones are the Liberty Movement voters who left the GOP because they felt it was too compromising.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Are they going to vote against Dave’s candidates?
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re going to vote with them, right? Okay. Another group, the left-wing activists who are looking to hurt the GOP by choosing bad candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
By the way, I think that’s a very, very minor portion that vote.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is a minor portion, but this idea that they come in and give us a bunch of moderate candidates, is that actually what they do? No, they’re going to vote for Dave’s candidates. And how do we know that for sure?
SPEAKER 03 :
Because of what happened over in the Western Slope when it came to Hank’s.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. The Democrats, they spend their money to help Dave’s candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. They’re not going to get that moderate candidate that can win. Okay. They don’t want that guy, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. Or gal. They want liberty. They want to run against these liberty candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re not stupid.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, they’re not stupid. So if they are spending money to help Dave’s candidates, they’re certainly not going to hurt Dave’s candidates. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
The other two groups are real quick here. Right-leaning moderates who left the GOP because they felt it was too hard-line. They left because of the Daves. Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
They are probably going to vote for that moderate candidate.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, but are they going to vote for candidates who are going to appeal to more Coloradoans or fewer?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, to the more.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, because they’re going to reflect the market. That’s right, because that’s who they are. And the last group, moderate voters who never were Republicans, but they want candidates they feel represent the mainstream. Once again, they’re going to support candidates that better reflect the market.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, too, we need to make sure we put a reminder out there, because as an independent or as an unaffiliated voter, you cannot vote on both sides. So even those hardcore lefties that come over and vote on our side, they’re giving up their vote in their own primary because you can’t vote on both sides. I think there’s some misconceptions and confusion out there that people think that these folks are voting on both sides of the aisle. You can’t. It’s one or the other, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Those hard lefties who do come into the Republican primary, Dave would say, well, they’re coming in to give us a bunch of moderate candidates because that’s what they want. They want a water
SPEAKER 03 :
down our message. That’s absolutely incorrect.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, guys, they want candidates they think they can beat.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they want the beatable candidates. They want the most beatable candidates. That’s right. And remember, too, as I said, if there’s a close race, close primary race on the Democrat side, typically there’s not, but sometimes there is. Those are individuals that are giving up the right to vote on that side of the aisle when they do that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Okay, here’s the end. We’ve got just a few seconds. Looking at those four groups… is it pretty obvious that overall the unaffiliated voters are actually giving the Republicans in Colorado… The winnable candidate. The more winnable candidates, the candidates that help us win more and appeal more to the general market.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which, by the way, are typically the folks that Andy and I are talking about when it comes to election time anyways, because we want that candidate as well, because we want them winning. Open primaries bring the market into our primaries. Not the opposite. Not the opposite. Which is exactly what we keep trying to preach when it comes to our current leadership and the GOP here in Colorado. They don’t understand the state. They don’t understand the market. Their marketing side sucks because they don’t know who they’re actually marketing to. And it’s very internalized, and you’re never going to win elections when it’s internalized. We’ll be back. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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I’m a rich guy.
