HR3 Rush To Reason December 10, 2024 by John Rush
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SPEAKER 05 :
And it’s hour three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, Victoria Coates. Joining us now, Vice President of the National Security and Foreign Policy at the Heritage Foundation. And you’ve got a new book coming out as well, Victoria. Welcome back.
SPEAKER 13 :
John, Andy, good to be with you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Always a joy. And really quick, the book title, Battle for the Jewish State, How Israel and America Can Win. It comes out today, I believe. Am I right on that, Victoria?
SPEAKER 13 :
Sadly, we had a minor shipping delay. It’s going to be next Tuesday, but it is available for pre-order on Amazon right now.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, so all of you listening, make sure you make note of that. Okay, so can a Trump administration, you’ve had a front row seat in the past to some of this, so you’re as, you know, how should I say that, you’re more apt to speak about that than Andy or I, because you’ve had a front row seat in this regard. Can Trump, and Andy and I talk about this quite a bit, in fact, we did this during our first hour today. Can he bring peace to the Middle East, like he says?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, he’s done it once before, so I would trust him to do it again. And I actually just got back from Israel and the Gulf yesterday, and I would say everyone in the region who wants peace and prosperity is really eager for the return of President Trump. They want that steady hand on the American tiller. They want strong U.S. leadership. They understand that we’re not going to get into every fight in the region, but that when we do, it’ll be decisive. So I think we could be optimistic.
SPEAKER 08 :
Victoria, what was it like for the last four years for Israel, not only to have a complete leadership void in Washington because of Biden, but really having an administration that, let’s face it, was against Israel in a lot of ways?
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s been really hard to watch, because the whole point of the battle for the Jewish state is to lay out for the American people just the practical case for why we’re allies with Israel, because I don’t think that happens very often. You’re either sort of asked to pay lip service to it, and I think folks can be excused for saying, gee, why are we doing this? But when you look at it, you look at the historic investment of American taxpayers in Israel, you look at what they can do, and we’ve certainly seen it over the last 48 hours when they basically had a map of the Assad Syrian military, and they’ve been methodically going around blowing up all those weapons depots so that the potentially terrorist groups that are taking the country over don’t have access to that. They’re a great ally. But I think the case needs to be made. So that’s what I tried to do in the book. But watching the Biden folk over the last four years systematically try to undermine that relationship has been really, really hard to watch.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree. Go ahead, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Victoria, why don’t you answer that question? Just a little bit. I don’t want you to give it all away because, hey, you’ve got to sell the book. But let’s say that I know a moderate or maybe a libertarian friend, and let’s face it, they don’t like our partnership with Israel. And so they come down on our partnership with Israel and say, this is a bad idea. We shouldn’t be helping them. We shouldn’t be partnering with them. Stay out of it. And we need to just stay out of it. Stay out of it. What would be a thing or two I could say in response?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I would say for starters, you know, it is a lot of people try to pivot away from the Middle East. The Middle East doesn’t pivot away from you, unfortunately. It’s an area in this very sort of critical geographical region between east and west. And because of the energy deposits that are there. It commands the world’s attention. I mean, just that is the basic practical reason. And it used to be 40 years ago that we were engaged because we needed those resources. Now we don’t. But we need them on the market so we have a stable global market. But really, it’s China that needs those resources. So if I want to be engaged in the Middle East, I want to do that because I want to control China. I want to work with my partners and allies so that we’re the ones, the energy superpowers who are coordinating, not the evil powers of OPEC. And in terms of Israel’s broader capabilities, I mean, the intel capabilities, but then beyond, you know, the security relationships. They brought us everything from the cherry tomatoes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I was just going to say thank you. A lot of the other advancements that we as Americans get to benefit from is that relationship that we have with them because, let’s face it, Victoria, there are a lot of brilliant minds. It’s a very small country, not very big in relation to the rest of the Middle East. It’s this little sliver right there that really keeps the peace. And yet the amount of technology and things that we as a country benefit from is huge.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, it really is, and it benefits all of mankind. And so for all the people who profess to hate Israel, to want to see it wiped off the map, they would need to realize they’d have to give up everything from their iPhone to all sorts of high-tech medicines if they wanted to do that. So it’s a very, very valuable relationship. It’s paid enormous dividends. And just to put things in perspective, the price tag on the U.S. investment in Israel over the last 75 years is about $150 billion, which is a lot of money. But bear in mind, we’re close on $200 billion to Ukraine in less than three years. That’s right. That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
How much is it a year? And, Victoria, how much is it annually on average?
SPEAKER 13 :
Right now, in terms of the current MOU, it’s about $5 billion a year.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was going to say $5, $6 billion roughly.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. So hypothetically, what if for the price tag of $5 or $6 billion, we could give that to other nations in that region, and each one of them would have to pledge to do this. They would have to have a fully functioning democracy, full freedom for women. They would have to absolutely shut down all terrorist training camps in their area. their borders they would have to you see what I’m saying basically they would have to act like Israel there would be no you know people from their place bombing bus stations around the world okay they would have to fully partner with us monitor their people yeah they would have to fully partner with us with freely sharing Intel from the region the whole thing That would be dirt cheap. That’s the cheapest state in the world. If I could give Saudi Arabia or if I could give Yemen or one of these places five, six billion and they would become all those things, I would do it in a heartbeat.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, unfortunately, Saudi doesn’t need the money.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that’s true.
SPEAKER 13 :
In Yemen, it’s not quite clear who would cash the check. That’s kind of the problem all over that region, Victoria.
SPEAKER 08 :
But I’m just saying, Victoria, people don’t seem to understand the deal we’re getting with Israel.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, and then think about all the joint programs we’ve developed together, because another sort of key theme of the book, and it gave the book its cover, which is the picture of the Iron Dome interceptors preparing to destroy the rockets coming out of Gaza. But missile defense, since 1983, when President Reagan announced the Strategic Defense Initiative, has been a kind of a dialogue between our two countries, bringing us everything from Iron Dome, which was a proprietary Israeli product. But after the success of that, we developed David’s sling and arrow together. And now we have President Trump talking about Iron Dome for the whole United States. So, you know, this is this defensive system, which is so extraordinary. I mean, nobody ever went to war with something called missile defense, but it neutralized 300 Iranian missiles in the October 1st attack. There was another attack on April 13th and 14th. but really an extraordinary display of how sophisticated these systems are, how they can protect both of our people. As I said, great return on investment.
SPEAKER 05 :
And if I’m not mistaken, Victoria, a lot of that defense system itself, the hardware, I guess I should say, we actually make as a country, not Israel. It’s their technology. They help co-develop it with us. But companies like Raytheon and so on actually build the equipment. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. No, both David Sling and Arrow are joint programs between Rafael, which is the Israeli defense major, and Raytheon, as you said. So these are things that we make together. And what’s great, after what President Trump achieved with the Abraham Accords, is we could potentially extend that. So we could be talking about joint missile defense programs for all our partners and allies in the Middle East, which would really neutralize the Iranian threat.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. Yep, absolutely. It’ll be interesting to see how things go. We did talk in the first hour, and I just wanted to get a brief, you know, throw a brief question out to you when it comes to what’s going on with Syria itself. That’s been a big development even since you started the book and all of that. I highly doubt you anticipated what just happened in Syria happening. And I guess the question that I have is, A, how do you see that playing out? Israel’s done a great job of really diffusing some of what could have happened there by what they’ve just done. How do you see that all playing out when it’s all said and done?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, you’re 100% correct. I didn’t see it coming. And guess who else didn’t see it coming? The Biden administration. And one of the things I’ve been reflecting on is the fact that they had a major intel failure every year. In 2021, it was Afghanistan. In 2022, it was what happened with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It wasn’t the three-day war. In 2023, it was the October 7th attacks on Israel. And this is 2024. So, you know, these people have been just perpetually surprised by everything that’s come down the pike. And they have been the gall to say, oh, gee, we don’t want people like Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard in there because they’re not part of the system.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good. We need some new people to shake this up.
SPEAKER 05 :
Amen.
SPEAKER 13 :
And ask all the tough questions because the Biden folk haven’t done that. I don’t mean necessarily fault our intelligence professionals. I fault the people who are setting the priorities and asking the questions. But the problem we now face in Syria, while President Biden is busy patting himself on the back for his great, great victory there, is, yes, Assad is horrible. It’s good that Assad is gone. But it doesn’t mean these HTS militants are necessarily better. These are ISIS and al-Qaeda affiliates that we’ve brought in here. We haven’t brought them in, but they are going to topple Assad. And we have to make a decision of how we’re going to deal with them. So I think that the designation of the terrorist group that President Trump put on them in 2018 should hold. The burden should be on them to demonstrate that they have, as they claim, moderated. I don’t know if that tiger can change its stripes, but if it does, I want a lot of proof that that’s the case before I go giving them any economic relief. So I think this is something to watch closely. Israel’s doing the Lord’s work right now, blowing up all these munitions, preventing them from falling into their hands. But it’s something we need to monitor.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Good answer. Victoria, again, thank you. Welcome back. I always appreciate talking to you. You’re a wealth of information, and I learn something every time you’re with us.
SPEAKER 13 :
Awesome. Well, thanks, you guys.
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You bet. Appreciate you very much. And for those of you listening, you can get the book, Battle for the Jewish State, How Israel and America Can Win. Order today comes out, as she said, next Tuesday. Flesh Law Firm is up next, folks. And again, criminal, civil, no matter what, you may be out there. Maybe you’ve had an accident recently and the insurance company just isn’t doing what it should be. Give Kevin a call today, 303-806-8886.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John Rush together with Andy Pate. John, let’s talk a little bit about the Daniel Penny verdict, as we know. Sure. It was a thundering verdict. I mean, this was unanimous.
SPEAKER 05 :
Guy should have been on trial. No, no. Absolutely not. Okay, for those that may not know what actually happened and what got him there in the first place.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, he was on a subway. A black gentleman, young guy, comes on and is very violent and is not just being loud. He is saying, someone’s going to die here today.
SPEAKER 16 :
He’s threatening people, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, he spent about 30 seconds. And 30 seconds is a long time to have somebody ranting about how they’re going to kill you. Absolutely. And he said he didn’t care if he goes to prison. Someone’s going to die. He was ready to kill people. They were terrified on there. By the way, the people on the subway… were mixed race. They were black people, white people, and Hispanic.
SPEAKER 05 :
So it was just a normal train.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Daniel Penny is an ex-Marine, a white guy, and he jumped into action and put the guy in a headlock and told others, get the cops, and he would hold him until the cops were there. By the time they got there, the guy was near death, and he died not long after.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right? And now, at first, there wasn’t going to be Any kind of a case against him, he was going to be heralded as a hero, obviously. These people who were on the train viewed him as such. But Alvin Bragg, who of course cannot seem to find a white heterosexual male that he doesn’t want to go after.
SPEAKER 05 :
He’s a scumbag.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Well, he’s a racist, too.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right. He’s a scumbag. He’s a scumbag. That’s why I say, racists are scumbags, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
He’s a total scumbag. He decided to make this his big thing, and so he filed suit as the DA there in New York.
SPEAKER 05 :
So he brought charges, basically.
SPEAKER 08 :
He brought charges. The and people were really worried, not because Daniel Penny didn’t have a good case. He did. But because it was a New York jury, a New York jury found Donald Trump guilty, which was ludicrous, you know. And so the the the idea was, look, the cards weren’t stacked in his favor.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Say that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, you’re talking about a hanging jury. You know what I’m saying? But, first of all, there were two counts. The first one, they were a hung jury, and it was thrown out. The second one, they then came back on Monday, and they surprisingly gave him a unanimous decision, I believe, to find him innocent. Now, the head of Black Lives Matter there, and it’s a gentleman named Hawk Newsome. Hawk Newsome. Yeah, I’m going to play him in a moment what he said. And it is just shocking. And I want to see what you think this means, because this is calling out to BLM members. And for those who don’t, you know, I know BLM is crazy, but folks, they are large. They’re not like the KKK. The KKK is some smattering of a few people scattered across the country in a few places. There’s virtually nobody there. There is no KKK in terms of real numbers. BLM is everywhere and they’re huge. Okay. And this guy reaches out to them. Here he is.
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It’s like everybody else has vigilantes. We need some black vigilantes. That’s right. People want to jump up and choke us and kill us for being loud. How about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us?
SPEAKER 1 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. I don’t think the guy on the train was being oppressed. He was being controlled because he was the lunatic. Well, yeah. First of all, he wasn’t just being loud. He was… Nobody cares… He was threatening everybody.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, people don’t like loud, but he was threatening to kill people. Right. Okay. So right now, the guy’s lying. Right. Flat out. But secondly, he says… we will rise up and do the same to those who oppress us. Here’s the problem. BLM describes almost everything as oppression. Right. Okay, so they’re believers. Now, BLM has millions of followers. These are the people who have rioted in the streets. These are the people, because of them, we have had to board up whole cities, downtown, including Denver. Right. They are everywhere. They are numerous people. And this guy just called out to them and said, if you’re feeling oppressed, you can be a vigilante against them. Against who? White people, John. Let me ask you something. Is it entirely safe for white people right now to go walking around downtown in Denver at night?
SPEAKER 05 :
In some places, no, it would not be.
SPEAKER 08 :
after what this guy just said.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, because he’s basically calling on everyone to go out and rain terror down on those they don’t agree with.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Now, I don’t think they’re going to do it right away. Yeah, I think they’re going to lay in wait, but first of all, you’re right. Yes, that’s what he did. This guy is calling on… Look, this was an obvious ruling. The guy was a hero. This other guy was a threat. It doesn’t matter what their races are. Right. Okay? This guy just basically said, fully race-based, we need to have our own vigilantes, and you do it when? When you think you’re being oppressed. Well, I’m sorry, but BLM members think they’re being oppressed no matter what. They think they’re being oppressed simply because you are a white person and you haven’t paid…
SPEAKER 05 :
Reparations. Reparations. Yeah, they think they’re being oppressed if they get pulled over for a speeding ticket. They think they’re being oppressed if they apply for a job and somebody else gets it versus them. Andy, I can keep going down the list of things they think they’re oppressed over.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, and I’ve mentioned this before. I don’t talk about it much, but for those who want to say, oh, you’re just being hypersensitive, oh, really? Remember the knockout game? Yes. Where black men were going around, sneaking up behind white people and hitting them as hard as they could in the back of the head to drop them, to knock them out. That was done to my wife, folks, my five foot one wife, who was just standing downtown. I forget if it was that light rail. I forget exactly where she was. The guy came up behind her and did that to her and dropped her. Okay, folks, these people are dangerous. These are not MAGA supporters who are wandering around taking snapshots of themselves on J6. These are dangerous people.
SPEAKER 05 :
They are thugs. John and Cheyenne, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, Andy, I never knew that about your wife. Is she okay after that?
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, honestly, she gets a lot of chiropractic. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Do we know who did it? Did they catch him? Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, oh, yeah, he went free shortly thereafter. No problem. This is Denver, man. There’s no justice.
SPEAKER 04 :
I got 50 acres, and nobody would probably miss them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good one. The thing is, is that we’re law-abiding. We don’t take it into our own hands. But, yeah, I mean, it’s scary.
SPEAKER 04 :
At some point, a little Western justice might come in handy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, he was a terrible man.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
But, you know, John, let me ask John and Cheyenne, what do you think of what this guy just said? We need our own vigilantes. Keep in mind, Daniel Penny, he was a vigilante. I mean, he acted when somebody was threatening to kill people.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, he didn’t go in that way.
SPEAKER 08 :
This guy is saying he wants them to be vigilantes when they feel oppressed. What do you think of that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I’m going to tell you something. I got this firsthand from someone who knows, guaranteed. The mayor of New York, a former police captain, has told his police commissioner there are no George Floyd riots under his watch. That will not happen this time around. Well, that’s good. I got that. I got that specifically from someone on the job in New York. So he’s not going to allow it to happen because he kind of, he didn’t come out and say greed, but he came out and said, I’ve asked all these people, if you see something, say something and try to do something. And that’s what Penny did. So he’s not going to allow what happened in 2020 under de Blasio to happen again in New York City. He’s not going to allow it.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, and I don’t think he is either. And by the way, he’s even somewhat friendly toward Trump. Really quick, my wife just texted me. She said the guy who did this to her, this is a full assault out of the blue. He was convicted of a city ordinance violation only, not even a misdemeanor.
SPEAKER 04 :
So was that within the city limits of Denver? Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. And once again, guys, everybody who knows me knows I don’t care about race at all, but I do care about how others care about race. OK, what if the races had been reversed? What if this had been a white gentleman doing this to a five foot one black lady who was innocent and just standing there?
SPEAKER 05 :
It’d be a different outcome, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
He’d still be doing time. They would have tried to figure out a way to make it federal to send him to Florence. Oh, and the media would have been all over it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep, that’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but, you know, and that’s what the problem is, is, you know, this, I’m going to call him what he is, is this punk who had 42 arrests and six open warrants and mentally ill on drugs was threatening people. And somebody said enough is enough. Right. And every time somebody defends him, I’ve been seeing a lot of this. I’m kind of proud of X. Every time somebody comes out, there’s always somebody that responds back. This was not a good man. This was a bad guy who spent a lot of time in jail and was a criminal. And I think that’s what’s going to kind of slow down the riots. But I don’t see it happening. Plus, The weather’s pretty crappy in New York right now. They’re getting worse than what we’re getting. That helps. It seems like there’s only riots in the summertime.
SPEAKER 05 :
That helps.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, nobody wants to be out in the cold. But I just think that they gave this… I’m hoping that kid… I call him a kid, but I call everybody a kid. I’m 63. I’m hoping that kid realizes that he’s got no chance for a calm life And he moved somewhere else, kind of like, what was his name? Kyle Rittenhouse did, where he just left the state, left the whole area to try to restart his life. You would probably have to in that case. Yeah, well, we welcome him with open arms in Wyoming.
SPEAKER 05 :
If he’s smart, he’d go somewhere like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
There’s about 31 states that were voted for Trump that would probably say, yeah, you’re welcome.
SPEAKER 05 :
Plenty of room for him, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, nobody would bother him. He could probably move to the western slope of Colorado if he wanted, and nobody would bother him.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, or, you know, down. But it’s just a shame that this poor kid… had to go through what he went through just because he tried to do the right thing.
SPEAKER 05 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 04 :
He’s a hero.
SPEAKER 05 :
Should have never been on trial. Good point. John, appreciate you, man. We’re going to run to break. We’ll be right back. Hi-Fi Plumbing is next. Again, whether you’ve got a plumbing issue because of the cold, whether you’ve got something going on electrical, they’re there for you. 877-WE-HIGH-5.
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And, yeah, Andy, when it comes to the whole, just that whole topic that we just went through in regards to, you know, number one, a person should have been on trial. Number two, the response from those that are on the left. And, yes, BLM is definitely on the left. And, you know, you were going to ask me, are they a terrorist organization? Yeah, absolutely, 100%. He just proved it. Yes. His comments proved it. They’re a terror group. Yeah, they should be treated as such.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, and by the way, so is the KKK. The difference is, I guarantee you, BLM in membership, in people who follow BLM versus the KKK, oh, I’ll bet it’s a thousand to one, at least, in numbers.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I would go as far as if I were in charge of the DOJ, they would be on the terror watch list.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
If you were a part of BLM, you’re going to be on the terror watch list. That’s what I would do.
SPEAKER 08 :
What do you think is going to happen with Trump coming in? I’m very excited. Okay, let’s say I believe very quickly they’re going to lock down the border. I believe they’re going to be building the wall right away. Everybody knows when we say wall, we mean a lot of things.
SPEAKER 05 :
Fans and all kinds of stuff.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, but it’s going to be effective. It’s going to be great. That is going to free up a lot of resources to go after crime in other ways.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which we need.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, and you’re going to have Pam Bondi, right? As the AG. What is going to happen to criminals? One thing that we noticed over the last four years is America was utterly lawless. Criminals ran rampant through the cities.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. There’s an article. Charlie was talking about it earlier off air. I had it in my notes for today. But, you know, in Denver, a thief ring, thieves ring, whatever you want to call it. Basically, it’s a drug smuggling, car stealing operation ring. So 190 vehicles. These particular vehicles, a lot of them high-end trucks, were going back to Mexico to the cartels in exchange for drugs, fentanyl, things along those lines that they were then bringing back here. They bring back here and then rinse and repeat. So to your point, crime is… at an all-time high, which you won’t hear the left talking about it. In fact, they bury the stats. They don’t even talk about it. I’m surprised this is even on 9 News, by the way, but this particular ring was the indictment contained 222 charges, including more than 100 counts of auto theft, a dozen counts of drug possession and distribution, multiple counts of identity theft, criminal possession of identification documents, criminal possession of financial devices. On we go.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. John, do you think the Democrats are in some real trouble? And here’s what I mean. The first time around, they were able to tie Trump up for his first two to three years with Russian collusion.
SPEAKER 05 :
A bunch of nonsense.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but they’ve got nothing to tie him up with this time.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’ve already tried that in the courts, and that didn’t pan out so well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Also, Trump chose a number of people who were not loyal to, I’m not saying to him, but to the agenda.
SPEAKER 05 :
Andy, they weren’t loyal to the country.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Okay. that’s all past him. Now, I don’t like his Department of Labor choice, but overall, I love his choices, and I think they’re going to get approved. I think his Secretary of Defense is going to go through. I think Tulsi is going to go through with fine colors. I think a lot of these are going to go through. So Democrats, I think, had their chance. If they had chosen the right candidates to beat us this time and then cement their power, they didn’t do it. They’re in trouble because what happens now when people see crime going down? What happens now when people see fentanyl coming in at a much, much, much lower rate? What happens now when people see Springfield, Ohio, the Haitians moving out? What happens now when people see Trendy Aragua? Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 05 :
Leaving.
SPEAKER 08 :
Leaving. What happens now? I mean, what are the Democrats going to do now? They had their chance to beat him now. Now they’re going to have him come in and have all these positive results. And next time in four years, they’re going to face.
SPEAKER 05 :
it with a great debate by the way with more money in their pocket when it’s all said and done as well don’t forget that part of it yeah cuz you know again we’re going to we I call myself part of this cuz I hope so we you are we we are going to clean up a lot of things the government is doing there’s going to be a lot of the waste you keep in mind folks and this is something that the course the left won’t tell you but and you and I both know there are literally hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars Right. Yeah. That goes on all around the world. So a lot of the spending that will cut back, a lot of people think, well, that’s going to hurt us as Americans because those will be things that we don’t get the benefit from any longer. No, it’s quite the opposite. That money that’s literally going all around the world that you, as an American citizen, see zero value in whatsoever, those dollars will stop being spent and we’ll start doing things back inside of our own walls.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And by the way, we’re also going to be proud of our military again. Instead of all this woke nonsense, Pete Hegseth, and I do believe he’s going to get confirmed, he’s made it very clear. Trump wants one word. lethality right he wants it to be lethal and terrifying again right that’s what he wants our american military to be well i got news for you if the american military is like that people are going to be proud of it if the border is shut down and we’re not getting flooded and invaded non-stop people are going to be proud of that if crime starts to recede and go down in the cities because we have an fbi that instead of going after trump and going after parents at pta meetings um If we have an FBI that is actually going after the deadly criminals. These sorts of individuals you just talked about here in Denver. Right. Oh, Pam Boniello. They don’t want her after them. They do not. If we have these things happening. And then, come 2028, we put up, because Trump’s one big disadvantage was he was a horrible debater, okay? So we put up, say, a Vance DeSantis ticket or a Vance Tulsi ticket or whatever. Or a Tulsi DeSantis ticket. You know, some combination thereof, right? And there’s one or two others you can throw in there. How do they win? How do the Democrats win? This was their chance.
SPEAKER 05 :
We talked about this last week, and they will definitely regroup. There are some loons, we know, on the left, just like there’s some loons on the right that we tend to talk about at times. So there’s loons on both sides, and no, those sides won’t ever change. They are who they are. But there are those more… I hate to call it center Democrats, Andy, but more intelligent Democrats that understand strategy. Sure, Shapiro. Yeah, they can look back and see this is why we lost, you know, frankly, the Bill Maher’s of the Democrat Party, where they’re looking at everything they’re doing right now saying, you guys are lunatics. You’re never going to win another election if you keep going down this path. So there are some of those that are going to look at that and say, okay, we’ve got to make an about-face change in how we’re doing things. The question for you is… Is there enough sane, solid Democrats, because my belief is there’s a lot of loons on the left, because it’s a mental illness, literally. Their thought process, in my opinion, is a whole mental illness in and of itself. So the reality is, do they have enough sane individuals? And I mean that seriously. I’m not just saying that to be, you know, boisterous or anything like that, Andy. I really mean that. Is there enough sane Democrats to turn the party around?
SPEAKER 08 :
Ordinarily, no. But right now, yes. And here’s why. Because they just got clobbered because of the insane ones. And so Democrats right now are looking at the insane ones and saying, shut up. And they’re looking at the Josh Shapiros and saying, lead us.
SPEAKER 05 :
This is where I’m going to disagree with you. I don’t think there’s enough sane ones left to turn the party around.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah, there are.
SPEAKER 05 :
There are.
SPEAKER 08 :
Look, there are plenty of strategists, and the peons will, to a degree, fall in line. They’ve got a real problem with BLM.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, again, part of where I’m coming from is what you just played a moment ago. There’s plenty of those loons running around that can change the face of the party. John, it’s like this.
SPEAKER 08 :
Republicans in Colorado have a real problem because of Dave Williams and his cadre. They make us so toxic and hated in the state of Colorado. And they’re the minority, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re the minority.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know, but people see us as them, and that’s why 60% of the red wave didn’t hit here, okay? It’s very obvious. We are led by loons. We’re led by lunatics. Right. We are. Okay. Well, Democrats have that problem with BLM nationwide because BLM has such a high presence in their party. Right. But… I do not believe that they are going to be choosing a BLM advocate for their presidential candidate next time around. That’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
I believe they’re going to choose Josh Shapiro. But really quick, how does that play in comparison to what we’ve got in Colorado, where you’ve got somebody that they wouldn’t want, much like in Colorado with the particular people we’re talking about, if you would have ran or tried to have run anybody besides Donald Trump, These people are going to have nothing of it. They would have stayed home. Do they have the same problem on their side?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, because the Davites, if we had had, say… DeSantis. DeSantis as our candidate, there are a good number of them who would have stayed home. Because they have no loyalty whatsoever to the party. Here’s the difference. BLM is loyal to the DNC.
SPEAKER 05 :
Drew, I’ll give you that. I will give you that.
SPEAKER 08 :
They will… That is the big difference.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ll give you that.
SPEAKER 08 :
The… The Trump-onlys and the Davites, that group.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re not loyal. Only to him.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. They have no loyalty whatsoever to the Republican Party. In fact, they spend all their time.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re anti-loyal.
SPEAKER 08 :
They spend all their time complaining about the Republican Party and calling everybody a rhino, which is ironic. A Republican name only, that’s what they are. Because they have no loyalty whatsoever to the party.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
BLM is not like that. BLM is the militant arm of the Democrat Party. They are Democrats. They are loyal. They will turn out for Josh Shapiro. Here’s the thing, though. Josh Shapiro would beat a Donald Trump, but he’s not going to get to run against that. He’s going to have to run against two things. Trump’s legacy, which is going to be very positive. and a much better debater like J.D. Vance. I don’t think Shapiro can beat that.
SPEAKER 05 :
And last but not least, Andy, again, I know Donald Trump won the popular vote. He won the Electoral College as well. And please hear me out when I say this, guys, and I love Donald Trump as well. We would have gotten that with any of the other candidates we had running. In fact, may have even had a larger spread than what even Donald Trump had.
SPEAKER 08 :
True. It would have been a different makeup. Trump has done a real favor to our party by broadening our reach into a number of demographics.
SPEAKER 05 :
Give him credit where credit’s due. Right. Absolutely, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
But our performance amongst suburban women, for instance. Right. would have been dramatically higher with a number of other candidates. Correct. So it kind of balances out. The thing is this.
SPEAKER 05 :
Really quick, I will say this. Yeah, go ahead. I do think Trump’s strong personality and what he did to attract men meant something, meaning we’ve got to keep that trajectory going. So whoever we have the next go around is going to have to remember that and still play hardcore with that particular demographic because that’s what helped us win this last time.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not a problem, because all of our top candidates are loved by the men who supported Trump. Let me ask you this, and you can answer it after the break. Let’s say we have any combination of Vance, Tulsi, and DeSantis next time around. Is there anything they can do against that?
SPEAKER 05 :
If we have a really solid, strong four years. I mean, these are great debaters.
SPEAKER 08 :
These are people who win debates.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which I believe we will, by the way. No. No, I don’t think there is. The only reason we didn’t win in 2020, and I know before anybody starts throwing at me all of the nonsense of the election and all of that, and I get it. You know, the FBI laptop, Hunter laptop and all that. Okay, I get all of it.
SPEAKER 01 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 05 :
But the reality is, had Trump even played his cards a little better that go around and even done some of what he just did, we would have won 2020 because a lot of what we’re talking about. So the reality, Andy, is if we do if he does well again, like he did the four years prior to 2016 to 2020, if we have a repeat of that, yeah, we’re unbeatable in 2028.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, because we’ve got to keep in mind, COVID brought him down before. There’s not going to be a COVID bringing him down this time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Not this time there won’t be.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, but even if it comes, we’re not going to respond the same way.
SPEAKER 05 :
It ain’t going to happen this time.
SPEAKER 08 :
There is nothing like that.
SPEAKER 05 :
That was a one-time deal for the Democrats.
SPEAKER 08 :
That was a one-time deal that COVID is what defeated Donald Trump in 2020.
SPEAKER 05 :
I can’t disagree with that at all.
SPEAKER 08 :
Along with them, you know, the FBI.
SPEAKER 05 :
With that and the cheating. I get that. But folks, remember, you know, you’ve got to go back in time. And we were here. We were on air. We were talking about all these things. The reality is there were some missteps in the whole campaign. Some of the debates, some of the way he handled things. Again, even some of the way that… You know, some of the people that he had around him during those four years, which he’s not going to make that same mistake again. So, you know, he had turncoats going against him at the very end, you know, campaign wise, even that hurt him in 2020. That’s not going to happen this time around. And he’s not going to run again. Be those same people don’t exist.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 05 :
So it’s going to be a much different four years than what we saw the last time around. Frankly, I think it’s going to be a better four years because of the things we just said.
SPEAKER 08 :
Think about this during the break. Vance DeSantis, because DeSantis won’t be governor anymore.
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SPEAKER 05 :
This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, something else coinciding with what we were talking about a moment ago when it comes to Governor Polis, and Andy and I have thought for a while now that he’s probably in line for at least a presidential bid, running a primary, something along those lines, potentially 2028, because he’ll be out of the governorship here in Colorado for those last two years, heading up into 2028. Although, he has done some things of late. that are not boding very well for him. In fact, there’s some news out today talking about the economy for Colorado looking down the road 2025-2026, and the reality is we’ve had a pretty robust economy here in Colorado, but some of the future predictions here in Colorado are not super strong, and that will not help him in some of these things that we are talking about. So frankly, Andy, here in the last quarter, He has had some huge missteps that are really going to affect his ability to do what we think he might do down the road.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah. The fighting against deportations was a big mistake.
SPEAKER 05 :
Dumb. Huge. Stay away from that, Jared. Yeah. You’re smarter than that. Yeah. Or maybe you’re not.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Vance DeSantis. Talk about two debaters. Yeah, it’d be a good ticket. A good ticket? That’s a dream ticket. I don’t even know how, because the vice presidential candidate… has been the best governor in the country, and the presidential candidate is a brilliant debater coming off four years of economic success for the country. How do you beat that?
SPEAKER 05 :
It’d be pretty hard for the left to beat that. And again, our own governor is not doing very well on his own account, which is surprising because he’s typically very strategic. So we’ll leave you with that, guys. Don’t forget health and wellness tomorrow. Andy, thanks. You guys have a great night. Be safe out there. Stay warm. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
