Join Dr. Scott as he delves into the intersection of nutrition and neuroscience with special guests, functional nutritionist Tam John and board-certified neurologist Dr. Claude Fortin. Discover the latest insights about metabolic disorders, dementia treatments, and the promising potential of GLP-1 medications for brain health. With invaluable contributions from Sam Peterson of MindSpot Denver, this episode sheds light on how personalized nutrition and cutting-edge therapies can transform lives.
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Welcome back, listeners. You’re listening to Dr. Scott filling in for John Rush on this Health and Wellness Wednesdays. In case you missed it, know John is just enjoying some vacation time, much deserved. There’s nothing happened to him. He’ll be back next week. So I can’t believe two hours are in the can. I’m in studio with my friend Sam Peterson who runs MindSpot Denver.
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Thanks for having me, Scott.
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My pleasure. And Tam, John. Thank you.
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Pleasure to be here.
SPEAKER 12 :
So Tam is a functional nutritionist. She works hand in glove with myself in my office. And so… Because I’m not a nutritionist. I will admit that straight away. And so we’ve decided to have TAM team up with this because people have so many questions, and I just don’t have time to answer them, nor do I know all the answers, especially people who are on the GLP-1s. GLP-1s are EuroZempic, WeGoVee. Manjaro Zepbound medicines for weight loss. And we’re going to go into a deep dive here in this last hour with Dr. Fortin because now we have absolute proof that dementia is a metabolic disorder and these medicines can actually melt away those plaques. But people were asking, how do I get a hold of Tam? You said I can get a 30-minute consultation for free. So, Tam, how do people get a hold of you?
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Thank you. I have a button right on top of my website. It’s tamjohn.com and that refers to this conversation with Dr. Scott at KLZ 560 and it’s just a booking link right to my calendar. So it couldn’t be any easier. Click the button and we can meet on the phone and The reason for the conversation is that I like to think I take the stigma out of nutrition. Good nutrition is not clenching. It’s not deprivation. So by chatting with someone, I can learn a little bit about what their goals are, what puzzle pieces have they tried, what’s worked, what hasn’t worked, and then I can offer a truly personalized approach to help them.
SPEAKER 12 :
I love that. So you can either find Tam on RushToReason.com. You can call my office, the 303-663-6990, the Castle Rock Regenerative Healthcare. Many ways to get a hold of you. And then it was TamJohn.com. Yeah.
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You got it. Thank you.
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All right. You’re welcome. Thank you, Tam. So we’re going to one more time switch gears. We’re going to bring in my friend, Dr. Claude Fortin. Dr. Fortin is a board certified neurologist. We have teamed up to create basically a mental health partnership. for people who have traumatic brain injuries, dementia, concussions, complex regional pain, all these different disorders where before we were just throwing band-aids at people, and now we actually have treatments that will reverse most of these disorders. So Dr. Fortin, welcome. Thank you, Scott. Yes, my pleasure. Glad to be here. Fantastic. So since we last talked last Wednesday, I went and did more research because I’m just eating this up as, I mean, you’re a doctor, right? We’re clinicians. We love data. We’re sick people. We like reading, especially scientific journals and things like that. And you’re like me. You’re just a few years older than I am. I am 58. I’ve been practicing for 29 years. I think you’ve been practicing for 38 years.
SPEAKER 08 :
38 years. I’m proud of it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, and you actually were in regenerative medicine, lifestyle medicine, before it was cool.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I got board certified in regenerative medicine like 20 years ago. I got board certified in lifestyle medicine during COVID. Because I was bored, so I thought, why not? And I’ve been doing hormone replacement for 15 years, men and women, and now into hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes. So we actually have a chamber there at Castle Rock Regenerative Healthcare. It is a hard chamber. This is not one of your soft sided ones. So it does go to two atmospheres. For those who are not a scuba diver, that’s equivalent to going 60 feet underwater. And a lot of these conditions that we treat, you need the more pressure to help drive the oxygen into the tissue. Is that correct? Yeah. So I’ve been doing some research watching YouTube videos from Dr. Perlmutter. And I’m sure as a neurologist, you’re well aware of Dr. David Perlmutter. For decades, yes. Yes. And he believes exactly like you believe and now like I believe, but we weren’t taught this in medical school, that dementia is truly a metabolic disorder.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there’s many different kinds of dementia, but the one that usually people are referring to is Alzheimer’s disease, which I would agree is despite what you may hear from big pharma and your local neurologist, of which I am one, it’s not an amyloid problem. It’s a microvascular problem. In other words, insufficient perfusion of brain which is why increasing the perfusion can be beneficial.
SPEAKER 12 :
And so I was learning that the medications that you and I both prescribed for weight loss, the semaglutides, which is Ozempic-Wegovy, the Terzepatide, which is Monjaro-Zepbown, and now coming out, the evidence is starting to mount for Retatrutide, although the FDA has not approved that one, actually helps long-term. And there is evidence that it can actually start to melt away some of these plaques that are occurring in people’s brains. Is that correct?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, plaques everywhere. So the GLP-1s and triseptide will actually inhibit hardening of the arteries or atherosclerosis, so it will slow down the process. And that, together with lifestyle modifications, primarily diet but also exercise, you can actually get regression of non-calcified plaque throughout the body, including the brain.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s absolutely incredible. So now we don’t have to – because I asked you this last week about statins. And so I did more research on where statins got their status from, the Framingham study, and out of London. There was a cardiologist who was interviewed by Joe Rogan, and anybody can go watch it. It’s about a 15-minute podcast. And everybody, including we clinicians, have been sold a bill of goods on statins. Would you agree with that?
SPEAKER 08 :
I certainly would. In fact, I have an extensive playlist on what I refer to as the Staten Wars, which kind of goes over that ad nauseum. But that’s the take-home message is I think we’ve been sold a bill of goods. And basically, if you follow the money, that’ll tell you why we got sold. That’s right.
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Follow the money. That’s right. Okay. Before we take a break, I’ve got a minute. I want to talk to you about continuous glucose monitors. What is it? Why would it be important for your and my patients to consider wearing a continuous glucose monitor?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, when we have insulin resistance or prediabetes or diabetes, we know we have a glucose metabolism problem. And we know we should have less carbs. And we kind of say that rather flippantly, but what does that exactly mean? And it doesn’t take into account that we all manage carbs differently. So a particular carb for me might not be a problem for you, and so we’re all individuals in terms of how we metabolize carbohydrates. In order to look under the hood and see what’s happening, we now have devices which we can administer, and with an app on your phone, within five minutes you can get real-time blood glucose results of your own blood glucose, and then you measure that against what you just ate, and you can decide how you’re handling that. And what’s nice is it’s in a graph, and a picture is worth a thousand words, and we can talk about things, and people could nod their heads, but then putting it into practice is more difficult. But when you have the data right in front of you in real time, in my experience, patients love it, I’ve not had one patient who hasn’t thought that the results were very helpful in terms of looking at their own personal metabolism.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. And Tam is over here shaking her head yes. So, Tam, what is your feelings on the continuous glucose monitors?
SPEAKER 21 :
I think it’s great information, and information is power and knowledge, and we are very bio-individuals, so I get excited about it.
SPEAKER 12 :
And if somebody came to you with, say, a food diary, and you saw the spikes after a chocolate chip cookie or whatever they’re eating, then you can give them better alternatives to that so that they don’t get that spike anymore.
SPEAKER 21 :
Absolutely, and it’s always about meeting the person where they are. So we might think, well, a chocolate chip cookie, that may not be too surprising. But for some people, they might respond differently to a banana. And some people, it might be a good transition if their snack routine is primarily chocolate chip cookies to switch to bananas. So it’s just that personal puzzle piece, but the data is fantastic.
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Fantastic. Well, thank you, guys. We’re going to go to a break really fast. And then on the backside, I’m going to ask Sam a specific question. We’re going to carry on this topic about dementia, metabolic dysfunction, and mitochondria, the powerhouse of the cell. How can we make it healthy? Because that’s ultimately where this is all going. So we’ll be right back. You’re listening to Dr. Scott Faulkner for John Rush 560 KLZ.
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Welcome back, listeners. Dr. Scott Faulkner filling in for John Rush, 560 KLZ, this Health and Wellness Wednesday. And we’ve got about a half an hour left, so we’ve got to talk fast. So, Sam, I wanted to talk to you about inflammation in the brain specifically.
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Yes, absolutely, Scott. It’s a super important thing, just like Dr. Fortin was talking about when we’re talking about treating these things like depression, anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder, and traumatic brain injuries. Inflammation plays a huge part in all of those diseases.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. And do you have anything that will help down-regulate or stop this inflammatory inferno happening in somebody’s brain?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. And just like you, we’re in the HBOT space. After coming to your clinic, we’re going to end up buying the same chamber. So thanks for testing it out for me. Yeah, but one of the other services that we provide and that has started to become covered by some state programs is ketamine infusion therapy. And that’s one of the ways that we can… use a drug to downregulate inflammation in the entire system very rapidly. So that’s one of the major reasons that ketamine has a powerful antidepressant, anti-anxiety effect on the brain is it brings down neuroinflammation.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s fantastic. So if anybody wants more information, because I know we’ve got a short time, reach out to Sam, MindSpa Denver. And what’s your number?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, MindSpaDenver.com. And check us out online at that email address or give us a call at 303-327-0350.
SPEAKER 12 :
Fantastic. Thank you, Sam. So Dr. Fortin, I want to bring you back in on this conversation. Um, we were last talking about the GLP-1 medication, semaglutide, terzeptide, uh, the new one, retatrutide, that’s not, uh, it’s available, but the FDA hasn’t approved it. So I, I write for that rarely because somebody has to fail the other two first, but it is available. Um, How can these weight loss medicines that before nobody wanted to talk about, right? They kept it quiet. Like, don’t tell my friend that I’m on this. And now it’s taking the world by storm. Is this something that people can be on long term?
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Yeah. Well, certainly the risk for hurting of the arteries is a chronic risk. And so if it helps inhibit that, then that’s one reason to take it a long time. I have a lot of patients who, after they lose weight, if they’re on it for weight loss, or to get rid of their prediabetes or diabetes, both of which are curable, by the way, with lifestyle and things like GLP-1s, once they get to their ideal weight, then the question becomes, should I continue it at a sub-weight loss dose? or just go off of it. And I would say about half of my patients continue it at a low dose long term. I’m not aware of any data that shows that that is a risk. And I haven’t had any issues with patients as well who have been on it for several years now since it’s come out. So I think it has a medicinal value used chronically, as we’re talking about.
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Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 08 :
and with very little to no risk, particularly if they’ve been on it without any problems. And most of the side effects with those are in the short term, and I would say about 10% of patients can’t tolerate it, but 90% of patients, it’s very effective and well tolerated.
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Yeah, I would say in my practice, outside of what you and I are doing together for the hyperbaric chamber, the consults with traumatic brain injury, dementia, things like that, I would say you’re spot on. That’s exactly what we’re doing. How we do it is we’ll take the dose that people were losing weight on. And then we space out the timing. So instead of every seven days, then we say, well, can you get away with every 10 days? Then can you get away with every 14 days? So you’re now in maintenance mode. You’re no longer in active weight loss mode. But the benefits of this, I mean, who wouldn’t want to do this for their brain health and the rest of their body versus take a statin? Because if you go to your doc in the box, what’s the first thing they say? Oh, where’s your statin? Here’s your statin. Right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I have to say that when we’re talking about blood flow causing dementia, we’re talking about not only large vessel blood flow to the brain, but we’re talking about microvascular insufficiency. And as we probably all recognize, at least as providers, when you get an MRI scan of the brain in someone, say, over 45 or 50, there was those reported microvascular changes that for years, I have to confess, this is public confession time, I would tell patients that’s a part of aging. What I now recognize is that’s false. That is a marker, a biomarker, as evidenced on an MRI scan, of microvascular disease, just like they were calling it. And that implies a higher risk for dementia, and it’s reversible. And that’s where things like nitric oxide optimization, hyperbaric oxygen therapy actually increases the blood flow. We can assess that pre and post treatment with something like a perfusion MRI scan before and after, which actually shows in very graphic terms, literally, the changes in the blood flow.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I’m glad you bring up nitric oxide because we were talking to Tam John earlier about beets, and beets are one of the best foods to increase your nitric oxide.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, in addition, we have a test. It’s a simple three-minute test that assesses a biomarker. It assesses the stiffness of the arteries. And the stiffness in the artery occurs before you get hardening of the artery, and it’s a direct reflection of reduction in nitric oxide. So when your nitric oxide drops, you get stiff arteries, and then you get the plaque. So a test that measures artery stiffness is very useful, and as part of our hyperbaric oxygen protocol, we’re going to be actually measuring that which is a reflection of nitric oxide levels. Dr. Ford, I’ve got a question.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, sir. Yeah, so hardening of the arteries is something we’re all worried about, especially as we get older. So you’re saying that using the protocols that you guys are using, that it’s actually possible to soften those up again?
SPEAKER 08 :
Not the calcified plaques, but there’s an AI-assisted CTA of the coronary arteries called CLEARLY, which is a little pricey, but it can differentiate a stable plaque, soft plaque, from an unstable soft plaque. The unstable soft plaque are the ones that can rupture and cause a heart attack. And there’s evidence out there that you can get a plaque regression or a shrinkage of the plaque with some of these agents.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Including some of the PC… SK-9s, like the PAPA, for example.
SPEAKER 12 :
So one of the tests that I do is, to my knowledge, it’s only through Quest Diagnostics. I don’t know if LabCorp has anything like that, but there’s two blood tests, LP-PLA-2 and myeloproxides, MPO. Mm-hmm. And if those are low, then Dr. Fortin’s right. You don’t have significant inflammation in those coronaries, right? Because that plaque at first is soft, and it’s just barely in the lining. But as it moves and progresses, you get thicker, and it’s those 40%, 50% obstruction of the lumen. Those are the soft plaques that rupture and become a heart attack or a stroke. So I will oftentimes check the LP, PLA2, and NPO. If that level is low, then I’m fairly confident that you’re not in any danger anytime soon. But if that number is high, we better get on it because you’re in trouble.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, what does get on it mean, Scott?
SPEAKER 12 :
Get On It is starting to do things for mitochondrial health, anti-inflammatory things like the glutathione. So people will say, well, I want to do N-acetylcysteine. Well, why would you do NAC when you could just take glutathione and decrease your inflammation like overnight? So that’s why we do a lot of IV treatments. With glutathione, L-carnitine, we know that these are all antioxidants and will help cool that fire down fairly rapidly. Other things that you can do for yourself is eating berries, dark chocolate, green leafy vegetables, probiotics, CoQ10. One of the worst things is a statin is it depletes your body of CoQ10. I didn’t know that. Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
The other thing I advise people is not to use antiseptic mouthwash because the nitric oxide, which helps prevent stiffening of the artery, is actually from plants that you eat. When you eat the nitrates in the plants, the microbiome in your mouth converts it to nitrites, which ultimately is converted in the blood vessels to nitric oxide. So if you sterilize your mouth, you’re actually lowering your nitric oxide. That’s exactly right. I recommend people get non-antiseptic mouthwash, more natural types, so as not to sterilize the mouth.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep. So we’re going to take a quick break. We’ll pick this up on the backside. We’re going to be talking about methylene blue, red light, exercise, and then we have Advita on the line. She’s actually one of my staff. She’s been published a couple of times. And one of her papers was specifically on this topic that we’re talking about. So we’ll get straight from her mouth when we come back. So you’re listening to Dr. Scott Faulkner filling in for John Rush, 560 KLZ. We’ll be right back.
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SPEAKER 12 :
Welcome back, listeners. Listen to Dr. Scott Faulkner filling in for John Rush, 560 KLZ. So, Edvita, welcome to the radio. Is this your first time on the radio?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. Hi, Dr. Faulkner. Thank you for having me.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. So you did a paper. You’ve been published a couple of times, and specifically about dementia, correct? Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, that is correct. Specifically about Alzheimer’s disease.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. So tell us what your research found.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. So my research had to do specifically with, like Dr. Fortin was earlier mentioning about plaque formation in the brain. There’s two different types of peptides. There’s amyloid beta and then there’s tau. My research had to specifically do with amyloid beta peptide plaque formations. And I studied how curcumin, which is a compound that is found in turmeric, it is what gives the yellow color to the spice turmeric, and how that prevents amyloid beta plaque formation in the brain, which is actually the underlying factor, or at least one of the underlying factors for the development of Alzheimer’s disease, especially in its early stages. So I studied how… Sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, no, you go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
So I studied how curcumin will especially interact at a molecular level with those amyloid beta peptides and how it disrupts the aggregation pathway, leading to a lower formation of the plaques in the brain.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s absolutely fascinating. So it goes kind of hand in glove with what Dr. Fortner and I were talking about, how we can’t actually either stop or prevent this horrible condition from happening.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, exactly. So what led up to the beginning of this research was that there’s actually been previous studies done on curry eating versus non-curry eating populations. And as you can tell, the curry eating populations, curry is heavy on the spice turmeric. And when you consume that much spice, that much of the turmeric spice, it has been found that those populations have a lower incidence of Alzheimer’s disease than populations that do not eat curry that much, which was really fascinating for me as well. So it’s just a reflection on how diet can actually really, really affect how disease progression turns out in your older years.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, fantastic. Well, I appreciate you doing that research, figuring that, because that was my question. It’s like, okay, well, in India, obviously, That’s where people eat a lot of the spicy foods with curcumin. Do you see a lower incidence? And you just answered the question.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah. It is actually really fascinating.
SPEAKER 12 :
So how much does somebody have to eat?
SPEAKER 07 :
As much as you can. I recommend putting it in your milk.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, golden milk.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 12 :
I love golden milk.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. But it stains everything yellow. All those kinds of things. Oh, yeah, it does. Wear gloves.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wear gloves, okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
When I used to do my research, all our counters would be yellow and everything. So, yeah, gloves are important.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, okay. Well, I appreciate that. Advita, thank you so much, and I will see you next week at the office, okay?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, thank you for having me.
SPEAKER 12 :
Anybody who wants to talk to Advita, she will be at our open house March 8th. That’s Saturday, so make sure you stop by and say hello to Advita and tell her what a great job she did on the air. Thanks, Evita. All right, Dr. Fortin, we wanted to talk about methylene blue and red light specifically because those are in the news now. So give us a primer on methylene blue followed by red light.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, well, methylene blue actually was a grandfather drug when the FDA was formed in 1906, so it’s been around a long time. It was first used as an anti-malarial drug. What we’re using and talking about it being used for now is as a nootropic, which is a brain augmentation molecule. So what it does is it basically upregulates mitochondrial function, which is the organelle in the cell’s in all the cells, but of highest concentration in the brain cell or neuron that we need to think properly. And so most neurological diseases, including Alzheimer’s disease and aging, as a matter of fact, are all accompanied by one of the hallmarks of aging, which is mitochondrial dysfunction. So methylene blue is very helpful in getting the neurons to actually work better and more efficient energetically.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. So for those who have heard the word mitochondria… But you’re like, okay, I know I had the cells and biology class in junior high. I remember something about a mitochondria. What exactly is the mitochondria? What does he do? Why is he so important? Why are we spending so much time talking about this little mitochondria?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, if our brains don’t have mitochondria with good function, we’re going to get demented. And the mitochondria are organelles or little vesicles inside each of our cells, which creates the energy that our cells need to survive. And they create the energy by consuming carbohydrates or fats mixed with oxygen, which is why hyperoxygenation helps upregulate the mitochondria. But so does methylene blue. And it can be used together. So we can stack the methylene blue with something like red light therapy or with something like a hyperbaric oxygen.
SPEAKER 06 :
So Dr. Fortin, how long do you have to take the, how long do you have to take the methylene blue before you start to see an effect? Is this like something like an SSRI where it takes a couple weeks or are you seeing the results fairly instantaneously?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I usually give it orally because it’s 80 to 90% bioactive in contrast to a lot of other drugs that reduce bioavailability with the stomach acid. And so it’s fairly quick. And some people pulse it like during times of cognitive stress, like final exams, a heavy work week. So it can be used because the effect is fairly short or fairly short. Well, the onset is fairly short, so you can take it as needed. You don’t have to be out of it a long time is what I’m saying. Nice.
SPEAKER 12 :
Very nice. And this is exactly why we recommend red light therapy and a keto diet and hyperbaric oxygen therapy and stem cells for mitochondrial health. Because if you have healthy mitochondria, then your neurons are healthy. But if your mitochondria are sick, diseased, not effective, then the neurons will suffer. Is that accurate? Okay. So some of the other things that are antioxidants which will help this whole thing, I listed several of them. Like I said, berries, dark chocolate, green leafy vegetables, glutathione, probiotics, CoQ10, alpha-lipoic acid, L-carnitine, your B vitamins, and exercise. Okay. So is there a specific type of exercise that people should be doing? Pumping iron? Should they be running on a treadmill? What say you, Dr. Fortin?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, pumping iron will increase the size of your muscles, and there’s a lot of hormonal downstream effects that are positive in terms of brain effect. Cardio will do similar. It’s all good is the bottom line. And What’s good for your muscles is good for your brain.
SPEAKER 06 :
I like that. Scott, speaking of good for your brain, something that I’ve always heard in the TBI space is making sure that you get enough omega-3s. Is there a place for that in this protocol that you’re recommending diet-wise?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, in fact, that’s why I take omega-3s. And the two active ingredients in your omega-3 fish oil is EPA and DHA. And you have to be very cautious because you can buy omega-3 at Sam’s Club. and there’s hardly any EPA or DHA in there. So you want to make sure that the source is a good source and that there’s plenty of EPA and DHA. And this goes for any of these supplements that I’m talking about. Like you can take alpha lipoic acid, but if you’re taking basically a worthless one, then you’ve thrown your money in the garbage.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s why oftentimes… Not only that, but it can be pro-oxidant. and do the exact opposite if it’s poor quality.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. So that’s why in our office we recommend the IV forms. That’s what I like doing because, I mean, who wants to take a handful of pills in the morning? Those are big pills. Those are big pills, and there’s a lot of them. So aside from wanting the greenhouse and eating healthy and pesticide-free food— I can give you a shot of glutathione so you don’t have to take a handful of NAC. I can give you L-phallopoic acid. I can give you L-carnitine. I can give you magnesium. All these things that help your body, your mitochondria, your brain, there’s another option other than taking a handful of pills if somebody chooses.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. I mean bioavailability is so important in everything that we do, especially in psychiatry.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, exactly. You get it. So we’re going to take one last break before the end of the show. And when we come back, we’ll get final thoughts on BP 157. You were going to ask Dr. Fortin that question. And Dr. Fortin, if you have any closing remarks, we’ll have about 10 minutes when we come back. So you’re listening to Dr. Scott Faulkner filling in for John Rush on this Health and Wellness Wednesdays, 560 KLZ.
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SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you, listeners. You’re listening to Dr. Scott Faulkner filling in for John Rush on this Health and Wellness Wednesday. So, Sam, you had a question about BPC-157 related to nitric oxide.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you know, we were talking about how upregulating nitric oxide, you know, can be beneficial for, you know, treating, you know, Alzheimer’s and dementia. And I personally, I have a leg injury from skiing, you know, hit a tree. It’s pretty swollen.
SPEAKER 12 :
Note to self, go around the tree next time.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, note to self, don’t hit the tree. That is skiing 102, not quite 101. But, you know, I went to my local peptide distributor. We have that available through our clinic as well. And, you know, he said, hey, check out this peptide, BPC-157. It’s great for inflammation. It’s been hard for me to sleep at night because this thing hurts. But, yeah, Dr. Fortner, I’d love to hear, you know, Dr. Faulkner said you were an expert on peptides. And, you know, I’d love to hear a little bit more about, like, your experience with BPC-157 and some of the implications in using it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, BPC I’ve been using for years, BPC-157. It’s my go-to regenerative peptide. I use it primarily for anything musculoskeletal that needs a little boost in terms of recovery or with chronic musculoskeletal pain. I also use it for brain issues as well. I’ve had very good luck with it. There’s a BPC analog called PDA, which is one amino acid difference that has similar favorable effects. So it’s my definite go-to regenerative peptide. If it hurts, that’s the first on the list to use.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, well, that’s good to know. And, like, what would you recommend as far as, like, how to administer? Because it just says sub-Q injections, subcutaneous injections, for those who are listening. So site of injury or, like, how would you do it?
SPEAKER 08 :
Actually, it should be systemic. Okay. And so usually I give it… Well, it depends on the concentration, but I give 25 units daily, five out of seven days. The reason I take the weekend off is because your receptors get saturated, and it’s good to kind of unsaturate those receptors. So taking too much doesn’t give you better results. So I do five out of seven days, and the vial will last about a month.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Well, that’s good to know because I could definitely use it. I’m looking forward to not getting woken up when the Advil wears off tonight. That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I’ll give you a personal anecdote. I was scheduled for knee surgery. I took my first shot of BPC. I had a complete 100% medial meniscus tear. They told me I had to get fixed. I was having trouble walking for a long time. And I had – now, this is – Not a guarantee that it works this fast, but I’ve had patients where it did work this fast as well. I took my first shot in the evening before going to bed. I woke up the following day, 12 hours, 10 hours later, say, and my swelling was gone. I was walking normally. The pain was gone. I mean, it was… It had such a down regulation on inflammatory cytokines that I just felt so much better. And I never had surgery, and I’m still doing everything I was doing before.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and he’s a professional dancer.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Or semi-pro, I guess.
SPEAKER 06 :
Do you have any experience with TB500? Yeah. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Do it again, please. Did you have any experience with TB500? No. I have not. Okay, no worries. That’s good to know, especially the downregulation inflammatory cytokines. That’s one of the hallmarks of why we utilize ketamine in our practice.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, I have used thymosin alpha-1 and thymosin beta-4 because they’re immunomodulators. So if there’s any hyper-overactivity of the immune system, those can be very helpful to modulate.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s great information. Thank you. So Charlie had a question before we fade out. And that is, if you’re a listener and you have a limited budget, Dr. Fortin, what vitamins or supplements would you recommend? And is there a brand that is a good quality as opposed to wasting your money on the junk that is sold at most places?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the first thing is the sourcing of whatever it is that you select. And so you want to get directly from the manufacturer and not with a third-party intermediary. So never buy your nutraceuticals through Amazon. Nothing against Amazon, but there’s the risk. There’s counterfeiting going on, even in nutraceuticals, believe it or not. And so if you’re going to spend $50 a bottle, you want to make sure you’re getting the right stuff. It’s kind of pricey, right? And so I use an online nutraceutical website. portal that deals directly with the manufacturers, and it’s called Fullscript. And so when I prescribe for patients nutraceuticals, that’s what I use.
SPEAKER 12 :
Fullscript, okay. And what would you recommend for a person on a limited budget? What are your go-tos?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the first thing they need to make sure is that the low-hanging fruit is addressed. Are they B12 deficient? And if you’re a vegan, you need to have your B12 level checked because that’s a high-risk group. Vitamin D, half the population in the U.S. is vitamin D deficient. And the optimal level is not what it says on the lab report. It should be between 50 and 80. And so half the population, there’s a 50% probability you’re low in vitamin D. And that should be covered on insurance. It can be tested. And if you are, then you need to forever take vitamin D supplementation. That’s a must.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
And the type of vitamin D I would suggest is vitamin D3K slash K2. The K2 helps independently in strengthening bone. It helps reduce atopic calcification or calcium depositing in the arteries. And it helps with the absorption of vitamin D. Some people can’t absorb vitamin D, and the K2 really helps solve that problem.
SPEAKER 10 :
Fantastic.
SPEAKER 08 :
Vitamin D is where it would start because that’s the most common problem. You know, there’s a 20-fold absorption from patient A to patient B, so it’s hard to overgeneralize. I think if you eat a whole food plant-based diet, you will take care of most of your nutritional needs. And there’s a lot of studies that show that if you get the phytonutrients in their natural state, that you’ll have much better results as opposed to a synthetic antioxidant or synthetic whatever. So I think most of it, A proper diet will take care of most of those needs.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s why I’m putting in a greenhouse. Thank you, Colorado Greenhouse Builders.
SPEAKER 06 :
And having your daughter run it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, that does help.
SPEAKER 06 :
We need to get you a little robot garden tender. That way you don’t have to touch anything and kill it. I do.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s so sad. At least I keep people alive.
SPEAKER 06 :
We’re just plants with complex emotions, Scott.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right. So we’re about out of time, folks. Don’t forget, open house March 8th. Come and see us. And at Vita, thank you very much. Stem cell sale March 15th, 25% off that day, that day only. If you want to get a hold of Dr. Fortin, you can just call my office at Castle Rock Regenerative Healthcare, 303-663-6990. This will be posted on John Rush’s website, rushtoreason.com, here in a couple hours. And thank you for listening, and be safe.
